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149 - OJ Simpson

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149 - OJ Simpson

"O._J.. Simpson a man who's trial for the killings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman has been covered to death pun not intended actually especially this summer. This past June was twenty fifth anniversary of the double homicide and everyone's talking about O._J.. In the infamous murder trial all over again so why also covered here on time suck well despite the immense nece of the coverage the totality of facts and speculation that has been scrutinized over and over by one legal expert after another still fascinated. I still want to know more. I'm I'm still curious about the tale of O._J.. Juice Simpson also the overwhelming majority of the coverage of O._J.. Revolves almost exclusively around the murders in the trial but there's so much more to this story. I wanted to know more about the man and I learned a lot this week. Why did this trial become so famous not to be callous but a lot of people get murdered in America every year? Generally over fifteen thousand people are murdered every year in the United States so why did the murders of Nicole wrong get so much attention in and word fame but it's about even more than that the O._J.. Trial became famous in part because people generally aren't murdered or aren't accused of being murdered by someone even in the Ballpark of being famous as O._J.. Simpson I can't stress this enough in this episode O._J.. Was Really Really super-duper famous before the murder trial he was one of the greatest running backs in the history of the N._F._l.. One of college football greatest ever athletes and out of America's best athletes no no one had successfully navigated into a film T._v.. Commercial Endorsement Deal career quite like O._J.. Had another running back Jim Brown would appear in far more films and O._J.. But he wasn't in America's face nearly as often is O._J.. His exposure not nearly as prevalent and Jay was more accessible to white America than JIM was. Jim Played tough guys on screen. White America was scared of a tough Black Man O._J.. Was the picture of likability strong get harmless much more comedic than Brown. He seemed aimed ironically so safe by the time of Nicole and Ron's murders this seemingly safe African American man this American dream poster child had been in America's living-rooms on their television sets on a regular basis for over twenty years. He'd I showed up nearly thirty years earlier as a handsome breakout star for U._S._c. a year later. He's on the cover sports magazines a year after that. He's the number-one pick and the N._F._l.. He's popping up here and there in popular TV shows suny smashing N._F._l.. Records and being you talked about constantly on sports radio nationwide soon after that he's in films and then starring in literally hundreds of television commercials by the time the Brentwood murders millions and millions of Americans had grown up with O._J.. They cheered for him and Years Worth Games. They laughed hysterically him enormously popular naked gun movies. They bought products. He pitched he was an inspiration to many especially the black America many new his story a kid who came from nothing a kid raised in the projects of San Francisco. Go a kid who's fan was so poor hit Ricketts as a young child is bone suffering from improper nutrition. He was a kid who will be lucky to walk without a limp and then he saw how forrest gump his way out of some homemade leg braces and into the N._F._l.. Record books he openly dated and then married a beautiful white woman almost no one protested who thought that was possible in the late seventies early eighties in America White America love this black man. I can't overstate how important that was to this story and then he stabbed with people to death the safe guy. The Hertz rent a car Guy Norberg from the naked gun movies. Get the fuck out of here what couldn't be O.. J. Couldn't do that to everyone who believed in him. His guilt wouldn't just be a personal letdown. It will be a racial won his with throw fuel back. There's still smoldering fire of American racism good. Oh boys across the land. We say an evil shit like told you I told you you just can't trust them. The trial of O._J.. became so much more than trial of one man for murder. If anything the murders got lost in this nationally televised nationally scrutinize trial it felt like racism itself was on trial if you were white and you thought he was guilty you racist a guilty verdict would just prove once again that white cops and really white American general had to convict another black man for a crime against against white woman he didn't he couldn't commit we learned some previous sucks that there have been long tradition of framing black men for crimes against White Women In America O._J.. Had just had too much success white Americans couldn't stand it. They had drag another black man down. Try and pull him back into the projects but as you'll see today the real story of O._J.. Doesn't have shit to do with race in has everything to do with the man who just couldn't seem to keep his hands off women a man who saw his wife not as another person but as an object for him to possess. I Really Think O._J.. Did it holy fucked. I think he did it. Not An ounce of my being believes anything else. After spending a week looking over all this information will look at little of the evidence instant led me to the statement today and we'll let a lot into life with the juice the life O._J.. Lead up to his infamous trial and the life years that since he was acquitted today on time sucks the happy Monday made sack huddle up here in the colts curious. 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Let's get back to the topic of the week the yeah let's let's get back to right now here on time. Suck the O._J.. Trial is credited for jump starting in the modern craze of twenty four hour news even reality TV it was the most watched trial in history by far according to a small study by G. Q. Magazine the economy was so entranced with this verdict the verdict day chaos economy lost four hundred eighty million million dollars in productivity day. The verdict went down long distance calls went down by fifty percent stock market trading went down by forty one percent. That's insane Sony Electronics and Nielsen That Television Research Company. They conducted a joint survey survey to find out which T._V. Moments had the biggest impacts on viewers in recent history. The nine eleven terrorist attacks top list but the O. J. Simpson verdict made its number three. Excuse me just under Hurricane Katrina estimated that one hundred and fifty million people hundred and fifty million gene tuned in to see how the case turned out Marcia Clark one of the O._J.. Trials prosecuting attorneys explained America's obsession with the case <hes> like this and her two thousand sixteen book without a doubt when I finished reading this book nineteen ninety-seven Kevin I couldn't imagine that we would still be talking about the people vs Orenthal James Simpson nearly twenty years later but really no trial sense has been as heavily covered as widely followed or as intensely analyzed nor has any other case. I stood up such a Maelstrom of issues race celebrity domestic violence and the impact of media coverage on the criminal justice system and Marsha firmly believes O._J.. Did it our show Marsha. I was a weird combination. Marsha in America America was in a strange space the time of the O._J.. Trial but it had been <hes> you know <hes> just a two years since he l._A.. Riots caused by what America collectively deemed <hes> egregious police brutality. It's Rodney King Racial tensions very high in this episode Will Wade Through O._J.. Childhood is long celebrated football career will look at his romantic relationships including his forgotten first wife and a woman who stuck with them for over ten years after the death of Nicole will run down and timeline for the trial of the century and we'll also look at the massive amount of crimes. O._J.'s committed since the nineteen ninety-five verdict as well as what he's been up to recently the suck isn't just a murder mystery. It's a story of O._J.. Simpson's rise from poverty to athletic greatness and then his fall as a narcissistic murder murderer. I got get warm back up again after Gaddafi's. Let's get to a bef not a big fucking time Tomlin right after a word from today's for sponsor time. 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While the great courses plus dot com slash time suck that's the great courses plus dot com slash time Suck Lincoln the episode description bef t t right now rep on those books soldier where Martin Down Time Soccer time-line the story of the juice begins on July ninth nineteen forty seven when Orenthal James Simpson is born in San Francisco California since his mom's family were from Louisiana and it was his aunt who gave him the name Orenthal the name of a French actor she'd Mart Orenthal will be raised in the predominantly African American neighborhood would've Potrero Hill a San Francisco neighborhood known for a decent amount sunshine for the bay area solid views of the bay in the city skyline a neighborhood that became quote unquote gentrified in the ninety s in the nineteen forties four public housing projects were built their as world war or to wound down and the simpsons lived in one of these projects and shit was rough and Portrayal Hill crime in street gangs became a prevalent or became prevalent in area in the late fifties and sixties lot of artists members of the Lesbian Gay Bisexual and transgender community began and move into Protrero Hill drawn by location and affordable rent this melting pot neighborhood is the backdrop for O._J.'s childhood do a youtube search in the neighborhood right now easy to see the neighborhood still pretty impoverished in many sections to this day or dollars Zia third of four kids of unique durden. WHO's a hospital administrator in Jimmy Lee Simpson who was a chef bank custodian and for a time door to door knife salesman O._J.? Spent a fair amount of youth accompanying Jimmy Door to door across California sell oh knives until his father would go to prison for using one on a potential customer in Sacramento in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. Jimmy would be giving a public defender would spend thirty five years in prison for a knife double homicide and Orenthal was determined to never follow follow in his father's footsteps as a young child he learned that if you ever end up stabbing the fuck out of a couple of people you got to hire a good attorney or multiple attorneys. If you don't WanNa go to prison Oh gee I did not so nice I that would be a weird fantastic detailed the story. He didn't spend much time with O._J.. Either O._J.. would be raised primarily by mother UNIS. She'd be his rock until her death in two thousand one. O._J.'s father will be around but didn't spend a lot of time in the home they his parents would separate when O._J.. Was Five for reasons good reasons that we made clear in just a few moments Simpson ran with some local gangs when he was a kid got into a fair amount of fights as he grew up in the portrayal hill projects but for the area he did have a pretty solid homelife. Thanks to his mother his MOM UNIS kept O._J.. Away From Neighborhood Cycle Michael Violent Crime and imprisonment <hes> for a while she she did that he was young. She did her best. A LONGTIME FRIEND OF O._J.'s named John Greenberg would later recall the a waste of normalcy unison worked so hard to create for the Simpson family saying there. We're always three meals on the table. The house was kept up and he always had a mother at home he could go to when Simpson's got into trouble. It was his mother who help straighten him out. Greenberg continued. It'd been very easy for him to get into a lot of trouble around here but he had the wherewithal and the mind kind to listen to people with good advice namely his mother apparently orange all was not listening when she advised not to beat the shed of his wife on a regular basis when he got older or stab people but again she did her best and O._J.'s nine seventy five hall of fame N._F._l.. Acceptance Acceptance Speech many years later. He lamented about his mother saying what do you say about the most important person in your life. I'm just glad she's here today my mother I mean you just don't know what it is to be eight years old and have all your friends think that you have the best mother her in the neighborhood he also said I remember when I was about nine years. Old Mother worked all her life and she just the whole family on vacation to visit her sister in Las Vegas and she had two weeks off. She worked graveyard shift in San Francisco General Hospital for thirty something years and while we were down there about five days into the vacation I had to play my first Little League Baseball game and I was moping around and she noticed how sad I was and I don't know. She drove me seven hundred miles in the middle of this vacation. She took me seven hundred miles back to San Francisco Cisco so I wouldn't miss my I literally game. I know I wouldn't be here now if it wasn't for my mother's prayers so strange to me for someone to value their mother so much to appreciate a woman so much have a woman be the most important person his life and then be so abusive to another woman the mother of children his wife at the same time is giving the speech and I know that he was found innocent. Obviously at the little the criminal trial he was convicted with spousal abuse so when I mentioned him being a domestic violence. There's no doubt about that. He absolutely beat Women Nineteen Fifty Two O._J.'s father Jimmi Simpson separated from units but would remain in the neighborhood and have some presence in the life of O._J.. Is Three siblings brother Melvin and sisters Karma lead-in Shirley Brother Melvina. You're older than O._J.. Would for sure killer woman in two thousand five by the way it was an accident but still what are the odds of that. He was driving a San Francisco airport shuttle when he ran into a concrete support column they think he fell asleep and then a fifty seven-year-old Phoenix woman was thrown from the transport van died instantly six other people also injured again. JUST WEIRD RANDOM DETAIL <HES> BACK TO O._J.'s Pro Football Hall of Fame Speech O._J.. Had this to say about his dad. He said my dad Jimmy. What do you say about Your Dad? You know there are people who were raised and broken homes even though my dad didn't live under the same roof as US during most of my youth he was always there dad he was always there. I always had a father a love you for it. O._J.'s relationship was dead was a lot more complicated than he made. You seem that speech or father. Jimmi Simpson had lived a secret life for quite some time he was. He was a gay man when it was a lot harder to be openly gay than it is now even as San Francisco especially if you were black man. Jimmy became a well known drag queen in the San Francisco Bay area in in O._J.. Reportedly was incredibly ashamed of his father's sexuality. Jimmy later died of AIDS. During San Francisco's AIDS epidemic not long after his hall of fame speech on June ninth nineteen eighty six having an openly gay father did not prevent O._J.. From becoming aggressively homophobic to illustrate this there was an alleged incident during New Year's Eve nine hundred eighty nine when according to a friend of Simpson's O._J.. freaked out Nicole for allowing their son to simply sit next to an openly gay man at a restaurant. The friend found out the next day that Simpson apparently beat the Shit Nicole the previous night over this incident again allegedly one of the many many many times he allegedly would beat Nicole clearly <hes> do probably some shame in anger issues around debt early childhood. No one would've predicted future athletic greatness Simpson Developed Riddick Ricketts Ricketts at skeletal disorder. We learned about in the Joseph. Fritz will suck that's caused by lack vitamin. D Calcium phosphate were were braces on his legs until the age of five giving him a bowlegged stance apparently superhuman fucking strength and that's how you really fast kid make them overcome ricketts not a lot of kids growing up Nice neighborhoods full plenty of money getting cases Ricketts according to a handful of accounts as an infant. O._J.'s legs were so boat and miss shaped that his grandma actually took the curtain rods down each night to brace his legs while he slept she would also allegedly tie is high tops on backwards to desperately straighten try and straighten his feet. I don't know about the thing maybe that's myth but maybe curtain rods and not not a Lotta affluent families time curtain rods two babies legs to counteract Ricketts Edison poor people shit by nineteen sixty now thirteen year old O._J.. No longer need of curtain rod for Rick Legs. His legs grown big strong straight kind of so does head. He's got a big old head that would lead to a very shitty nickname O._J.. Was a tough scrappy streak in nineteen sixty even joined gang again called the Persian warriors. That's fucking dope gang name by the way <hes> way better than the nickname. I'm about to reveal for him. The Persian warriors ears ran out of the Portrayal Hill slums according to a few O._J.'s early friends gang nicknamed Simpson water head because he was born with a way larger than normal head which has still has find a picture of O._J.. Anywhere here's a fucking massive head if you may not kid if you made a bobblehead figure of O._J.. You would not have to increase the existing head to torso kind of ratio of size. They're just do just do it as is and he'd he's naturally bobblehead poor little. Oh Dude gives passes Rickett legs now go water head which is such a terrible nickname. If you don't know water head is also slang for someone developmentally disabled who has a large head essentially water head was the equivalent of the derogatory term retard basically his nickname was retard which you know less than ideal the first time will water head everyone to jail was when he was running with the Persian warriors the details on the crime sketchy seems to be something like some theft some beer some some youth youth shit after getting released from a use center in California after one of his youth arrests for some type of Petty Theft Crime O._J.. Was Required to have adult supervision every afternoon to help O._J.. His grandma figured out a way for to become the manager of the junior high football team. She had no idea yeah this decision would lead to one of the greatest N._F._l.. Running back careers of all time after about three days watching other players O._J.. Felt like he was he was better than those who are playing wanted to give it. A go trouble was I'm making this up. The team did not have a helmet big enough to finish this giant Mellon. You know the Persian warriors who he was still running with how to fuck and feel day with that the legend goes at some of his warrior bodies located the helmet large enough for water had given crack team and then after pounding the shit out of his teammates for a week and practice the other boys learned quick should not be calling him water hit they tau these strong and speedy Orenthal with with a new nickname using his initials O._J.. orenthal James the nicknamed juice came out of that as in O._J.. For orange juice that's how the juice became his nickname the following year nine hundred sixty one O._J.. It would be a freshman to public high school Galileo Academy of Science and Technology O._J.. Someone who was never a good student earned a sea mines average barely graduate but he would dominate on the field in nineteen sixty two is a sophomore O._J.. Would meet another important influence in his life. One of his first coaches Jack McCaffrey McCaffrey had such an influence on O._J.. Simpson with thank him profusely twenty three years later when he was being abducted into the pro football hall of Fame While O._J.. was a tremendous athlete has Galileo team sucked in O._J.'s junior year. The lions loss nine Games one zero O._J.. Did make some lifetime friends on this team though like the future driver of his infamous for Bronco Police Chase Galileo Offensive Lineman Al L. A. C. Callans A._C. also introduced A._J.. To his first wife kind of a C. was Dayton sixteen year old Galileo High School Sophomore Marguerite Whitley and Callans and his girlfriend were having issues as a couple A._C._S. O._J.. To Talk to her and O._J.. Talk so well tour he stole as his girlfriend was reportedly raged but eventually cooled off suck by Simpson's side callans would actually follow Simpson to the City College of San Francisco and then onto U._s._c. where they played football together and Whitley and O._J.. Would date the rest of the time there in high school and Beyond O._J.. Senior year his team went five and three including upsetting the favourite Saint Ignatius High School Team O._J.. Almost single-handedly won that game scoring all four of teams touchdowns to help beat Saint Ignatius versus the defending city champion thirty one to twenty eight. That's about as dominant is one player being a football team orenthal would also participating track baseball Galileo and then graduate in one thousand nine hundred sixty five despite being recruited by several top universities Simpson's grades. It's not qualify him for a four year college. If nineteen sixty five to nine hundred sixty six he attended these city college of San Francisco a member of the California Community College System that Football Team Simpson played on both sides of the field on offense. He was star running back on defense. He was one of the starting defensive backs and he was a fucking monster cutting and slashing through defenders days so hard not to constantly say things like that O._J.. Broke Junior College record with twenty six touchdowns in an obscene nine point nine average jarreds precarious first year for non football fans. That stat is insane. You have four downs in American football together. I down and keep possession of the ball as you try to score a touchdown or field goal on offense O._J.. Average day I down every time he touched the ball the only thing thing better than that we'll be to score a touchdown every time you got the ball which only happens if you discover Chico on video game. He was the closest thing to cheat code in Real Life Abo- game on June twenty-fourth nineteen sixty seven at the age of Nineteen Simpson Mary's his high school sweetheart Sweetheart Marguerite L. Whitley the forgotten first wife they'd spent over a decade together. They also have three children daughter Arnelle Simpson born in sixty eight son Jason L. Simpson born in nineteen seventy and daughter Aaron. L. Simpson loved L. Nicknames <hes> Middle Name. Excuse me born in nineteen seventy seven now back to nineteen sixty seven that Fall Simpson got an athletic scholarship to attend the University of Southern California in Los Angeles O._J.. Wanted to play at U._S._C. because it was a football powerhouse and as he would put it a place where I can learn which fork to use for dinner. I actually still internally panicked when there's more than four put down in front of me. <hes> you know I just Lindsey just finally told you go outside in salad fork to the left meal fork by the plate I had to Google that even though she told once you start adding multiple knives spoons and other shit I don't even I don't know I get confused. <hes> I did figure out the I'm pretty sure you can do you can always grab the sharpest knife in front of you and then stare menacing lead other diners and use that knife to point at them and then if I remember correctly so you'd eat Howard Fuck you want and no bother you <hes> O._J.. Struggle U._S._C. for about a day then dominated and his first practice according to U._S._C. Head coach John McKay he fumbled was hesitant but by the time the season began back to complete domination in his first year of N._C.. Double a Division One Football O._J.. Ran The ball two hundred ninety one time for a nation leading fifteen hundred forty three yards thirteen touchdowns and eleven games. WHO's an all American close runner up for the heisman led the Trojan to the Conference Championship deanship lot at the time is one of the greatest football games in college football history? The Game Pitted O._J.. And his U._S._C. Trojans against PAC eight now PAC twelve rivals U._c._l._a. and the man who just barely beat out O._J.. For the heisman trophy that year U._C._l._A. quarterback back the Great Gary Beadman non-football Fans Gary even is arguably the greatest quarterback n._F._l.. History easily top four. He's on the rushmore of N._F._l.. quarterback Brady Montana Manning beaming. If people around you're talking about Football Hoban you want at least come across like you casually understand the game just reference number one hundred thirteen that was gary's number when he played for the Kansas City Thunder. You can talk about the even bomb do cannon for an arm nineteen seventy-one he would throw for over eighty five thousand yards ninety one touchdowns. He threw then record two hundred and fifty are touchdown pass s season in an overtime victory against the Houston Blackhawks. He won the CY young he when the Masters Green Jacket that year now bad for welterweight and as actual football fans are people familiar with American professional sports on fucking any level at all that was complete nonsense even was drafted by the rams traded to the Redskins road the bench for two seasons road the bench ear in Denver went on to kill it in the southern California real estate game so don't feel sorry for the beeps in this big U._s._C. Versus U._C._l._a.. Victory Bell Rivalry Game U._S._C. was down by six points in the fourth quarter with under eleven minutes to play on their own thirty six yard line U._S._C. backup quarterback toby page called an audible on third and seven handed the ball to O._J.. Not normally good to run the ball on thirty seven O._G.. Runs for sixty four yards for gametime touchdown. The extra point provided a twenty one twenty lead that would go on to be the Final Score O._J.. Was the hero his touchdown run is being referred to by some as one of the best runs ever in the history of college football this puts it's only on the front page of the paper nationwide talk of the town. They'd say <hes> maybe I. I A front page the sports page nationwide let me clarify that still still big deal front page of the paper overall L._A.. The talk of the town a lesson a year prior you know he's a junior college running back living in some San Francisco projects now he's now. He's killing it on a national level start. Taking acting lessons makes a cameo and the popular fictionalized L._A._p._d.. T._v. show dragnet the juice becoming a big deal soon as soon as ego macisaac giant head on January first nineteen sixty eight in front of nearly one hundred and three thousand people at the Game O._J.. Score the only two touchdowns for and became Rose Bowl M._v._p.. Huge deal in college football football team finished ranked number one in the final Associated Press and coaches polls that season ended the year with ten one record O._G.. Ran for over fifteen hundred yards thirteen touchdowns again Levin Games twenty three years old people always seems one of the greatest running backs ever lived just getting started well O._J.. Didn't win coved Heisman by a small margin nineteen sixty seven he did win the Walter Camp Award another award for you know one of the best players in college football six foot to two hundred twelve pounds is combination of running speed and size made him a rare athlete not huge by today's standards lot running backs now hover on two hundred thirty pounds and there's justice faster faster with modern training techniques but dude could run the hundred yard dash just under ten seconds hundred meter dash just over ten seconds Buchan greased lightning N._F._l.. General managers and coaches were tripping over themselves to draft this guy but he had one year college left back when college athletes tended to spend multiple years in college in Simpson senior year at U._S._C. Nine hundred sixty eight more dominance ran for almost nineteen hundred yards now twenty three touchdowns in eleven eleven games over two thousand purpose yards lead the Trojans who another nine win season U._S._C. again ranked number one in the nation going into the Rose Bowl this time in the Rosebowl O._J.. INTO TROJANS did lose to the Buckeyes Fuckin- buck is really fighting yelling K._O._A.. Right now because my wife is from Ohio while the Trojans Lost Simpson had a great individual game running for one hundred seventy one yard says lot including an eighty yard touchdown run. That's that's a great run. Simpson's season was so good in February nineteen sixty nine sport magazine named named O._J.. Man of the year proclaiming most experts are rating O._J.. Simpson as degraded running back in the history of college football and yes I did say Sport Magazine Not Sports illustrated back in the sixties. The biggest magazine in the world of American athletics simply called sport sort lasted until two thousand after popularity faded dramatically in the seventies. I I love the title of how simple is very caveman sport. What are you reading? I read in sport. I call him newsmagazine just news or any kind of like adult you now picture magazine Porn just very direct and simple. What are you reading news? Got Anything else line around could read yes. I Got Porn Sport Car Fashion Travel Food movie feet. I like sports car food porn. Why like fashion travel movie maybe porn to O._J.? Also on the famous heisman and sixty eight the illustrious heisman awarded eighty-one times never before nor sense has the voting margin and been as great as it was for O._J.. Wanted in unprecedented landslide foreign away the Best College Football Player in America 21-year-old O._J.'s twenty year old wife Marguerite also have their first child in sixty eight daughter Arnelle and O._J.. Lands a few more small acting roles such as ironically radically playing a prison guard in the name of the game one of the nine hundred sixty eight most popular TV shows a show that gave young spoon Steven Spielberg one of his first directorial opportunities by the way after nineteen sixty sixty nine season Simpson indeed becomes the first person N._F._l.. Draft first person chosen picked by the buffalo bills. The lowly bills terrible team but the money was good. You'll be record breaking money for Simpson. The owner of the Buffalo Buffalo Bills Ralph Wilson said of Simpson's deal Simpson will be getting more money than any rookie. It has been paid since the merger between the American national leaks and buffalo will be getting what it feels is an outstanding football player who one day may take place among the great running backs of this Game Simpson was the buffalo bills top priority and his contract earned O._J.. A bonus that made him rich Simpson's contract was for four years presumed to be in the Ballpark of three hundred fifty thousand dollars sounds terrible now but a lot of money in the nineteen sixties that'd be over two million dollars today still way lower the what most n._F._l.. Players make now but a ton and by nineteen sixties professional athletes standards despite pain Simpson's so much money the bills used him sparingly in his first three years in his rookie season and six nine eljay would touch the ball about fifteen or sixteen times a game bills one only four out of fourteen games Simpson MSN fishes rookie year with six hundred ninety seven rushing yards total of five touchdowns in the thirteen games that he played in despite the low numbers Simpson was selected in his first pro bowl team. He and his wife's time between New York in L._A.. No J. continued to land a few small T._v.. Roles okay second year in the N._F._l.. Nineteen seventy produced even lower numbers. Oh do you play only eight games. Due to injury average only sixty one yards in those games he would run for under five hundred yards not be selected for the pro bowl. He did have a few bright spots including two kickoff return. Uh he returned ninety five yards for a touchdown. O._J.'s bills at a terrible season only three games people starting to wonder now if Simpson was a bust and his personal life O._J.. Marguerite celebrated the birth other Second Child Jason April of Nineteen seventy. Let's get away from sports stats a bit further TACO and O._J.'s. I just a tiny bit more until this week. I don't remember knowing the O._J.. was even married before Nicole. Marguerite has been described as shy and private given very very very few interviews over the years. She was an incredibly beautiful woman in my opinion as attractive tractor remorse Oh than Nicole is Nicole is known a beautiful she still alive possibly remarried to a furniture salesman according to the Internet definitely do in her best out of the spotlight O._J.. Would claim was famed the destroyed his marriage to Marguerite. She hated being recognized in public to might have been more to with the net. She was once interviewed by Barbara Walters for twenty two thousand nine hundred ninety five after the murder of O._J.. Second wife and she claimed the While O._J.. Was Not faithful to her. He was notoriously unfaithful actually also not abusive. She said if O._J.. Had hit hit her he would have got quote a frying pan of site his head. There was just no way that I would allow that to happen to me. Maybe true but I don't buy a month following this interview in February nineteen ninety-five a retired L._a._p._d.. Officer named James Jim King spoke inside edition about a domestic violence call Simpson home in West L. A. During the mid seventies saying Marguerite indicated that O._J.. Had punched her kicked her choked her had forced her to the ground he never denied touching marguerite to the contrary he said Ed he should have not touched her so you can decide for yourself who to believe I will also add that after the death of Nicole numerous l._a._p._d.. Officers came forward reported. They've been called out the Simpson home. Many many many times for domestic violence tissues charges almost never filed so while there is no record no arrest record of O._J.. Beating Margaret that does not mean he didn't do that and there really isn't much else known about Marguerite very little has ever been written about and he gets. Feeling that's kind of the way she wants it in one picture of O._J.. Marguerite O._J.. has has a decent size afro and Holy Shit was at not a good look at him especially accompanied by Titus early seventies polyester pants and a tight button up shirt. It looks like someone photoshop his head to be twice as big as a head should be. I have a big head got down the horrible water. Had nickname makes so much more sense to me. The more like these pictures I get why he started keeping his fro nice and tight for the rest of his life no acting roles for O._J.. Nineteen seventy perhaps his interest interest was fading as his Onfield starpower also fading Nineteen seventy-one n._F._l.. SEASON WILL BE O._J.'s best so far bacilli great one still underperforming based on expectations runs for seven hundred yards for the third year in a row scores five touchdowns bill the bills win only one game no acting roles fame meter continuing to drop along with his football start a meter as you might guess O._J.. Not Super Happy but a situation buffalo but new head coach shows up changes. Everything Helps Launch O._J.. To new fame heights for the nineteen seventy-two n._F._l.. Loose Sabin becomes head coach. The buffalo bills centers the bills offense around O._J.. Starts giving the ball more than thirty times a game. The team still only wins four games ties one ties another out of fourteen but O._J.. Findings to show where he can do in the N._F._l.. Field he runs for two hundred ninety times. Fourteen Games leads the N._F._l.. With over twelve hundred rushing yards named the pro bowl again for the first time name to the first team all pro squad best. The best resumes his fledgling acting career making an appearance in the T._v.. Series cades county planes someone who murders art collector ice and then nineteen seventy-three. It'd be huge for O._J.. Some football experts believe that seventy three seventy zero g had the best seizing best season running any back has ever had statistically in the N._F._l.. Ever to this day other CEO days nineteen seventy five season was even better. Both seasons make virtually every list of top five best seasons for N._F._l.. Running back again to this day do dominated in seventy three in the the N._F._l.. Dominated College football and nine hundred sixty eight juice let fucking loose became the first player to run for more than two thousand yards in a season game two thousand three yards in the ground he will forever be the only player to ever rushed for two thousand yards in a fourteen game season it exchange sixteen games in seventy eight. O._J.'s one hundred forty three point one rushing yards per game still an n._F._l.. Record O._D.. Also had three games in seventy three season with over two hundred yards rushing in the game. That's nuts. That's almost single-handedly taking over N._F._l.. Game only one player another N._F._l.. Great Name Earl Campbell had four such games nineteen eighty-four with ever have more to go with record-breaking rushing yards. He also scored twelve touchdowns ran for career high six yards per carry few runners will ever rush for over five yards per carry by <hes> by the end of season Ezekiel Elliott. The Dallas cowboys led the N._F._l.. In rushing last year average four point seven yards a game for perspective Simpson was easily named Nineteen seventy-three n._F._l.. Or seventy three N._F._L.'s most valuable player earlier m._v._p.. Elected to the proble all pro team first team again Orenthal James Simpson kid from the projects notice water had now one of the most famous athletes in America. The buffalo bills even had a winning season go nine and five and of second the A._F._C. A._F._C. East. I <HES> O._J.'s rise in football famous could acting gigs. He appears on Lucille Ball's. Here's Lucy doesn't even play a prison guard or a murderer. He also appears on Owen. Marshall Counsel Law which sounds like some shit I made up it was a real show. He even appeared in his first film. Movie called Y he plays Bud professional football player who has issues <hes> with this conservative father. It was a film no one saw it was a film commissioned by Technicolor as an experiment and how to transfer video film but still still was movie. He was in nineteen seventy four. It went from over one hundred forty rushing yards to over eighty from twelve touchdowns only three however still rushworth thousand yards still recognized as an elite running back to the pro bowl for four time put on the N._F._l.. All PRO team for third straight year. The bills had their second second straight winning season again ranking second A._F._C. East nine wins five losses this time they do make the playoffs. It was O._J.'s first time N._F._l.. Playoffs it would also be his last. The bills would lose in the first round to the eventual N._F._l.. Champion Pittsburgh steelers thirty two fourteen the O._J.. Did score the bills. Only two touchdowns also received parks and to Hollywood films that year appeared in the clansman which started Lee Marvin in the clansman O._J.. Plays garth friend of a man accused by the Ku Klux Klan of raping a white woman. The movie was a huge box office flop pan by critics but it was a real movie was on the big screen also appeared in a small role playing security officer in the Towering Inferno Star Paul Newman Steve McQueen huge film dominated the awards <hes> one was nominated for eight eight Oscars highest grossing nineteen seventy four so Jeez actors now get a lot of eyeballs on it juice kill in life. That's accidental. Accidental Nineteen Seventy Five O._J.. Takes zero film television jobs and has either second-best or the best last season ever for running back according to some people in the N._F._l.. Despite not showing up any T._V. Show Simpson is all over the small screen he lands numerous endorsement deals and seventy five. He's extremely likable charismatic. This is what made his case so exceptional America fucking love the juice nine hundred seventy five he became the face a huge Hertz rental car ad campaign that would last all the way into the early nineties to give an idea of how big this campaign was how prevalent he was on television think about flow from the progressive commercials. If you don't know who I'm talking about right now you apparently haven't watched any television since around. Two thousand seven flow is the bubbly Brunette character with the bright red lipstick always wearing white uniform always pitching progressive now imagine if the actress plane flow also the biggest biggest star America's favorite college sport also the biggest in America's most popular professional sport and in movies and in sitcoms. That's how popular O._J.. Was Household Name Simpson was a star for hurts depicting the commercials running into airports serving as the embodiment of speed Simpson himself would later estimate that is hertz commercials raised his recognition rate among random people he'd meet on the street in the United States from thirty percent over ninety percent. Almost everybody knew this dude was nine hundred seventy five O._J.. O._J. led the National Football League with over eighteen hundred rushing yards over twenty two hundred yards overall career-high sixteen rushing touchdowns n._F._l.. Record the time twenty-three total touchdowns Simpson's one hundred twenty nine point eight yards per game in nineteen seventy five Russian wise. I still fifth highest N._F._l.. History Nineteen seventy-six O._J.. Returns to acting plane an Interpol agent in another flop the Cassandra crossing stories starring to feel Arain Martin Sheen the film <hes> literally booed and hissed at by film critics critics preview screening Richard Editor of The New York Times call the film profound a profoundly offensively stupid. It makes me laugh so hard think about pretentious film critics literally booing hissing. I just love the people actually did that at a movie movie screen Bu. I don't like it too. Has We get it yourself serious fuck. You don't like it just right. You're bad review and shove your hisses up your silly. A little ass also appeared in Killer Force Aka the diamond mercenary starring Telly Savalas Peter Fonda Chris Really O._J.'s biggest role in the proper film playing a member of a Diamond Stealing Gang B. movie for sure but top five billion for O._J.. Now Twenty nine year old Simpson's nine hundred seventy six N._F._l.. Season was another huge year for him. It was his final truly great year statistically N._F._l.. Running backs tend to generally not fair to well as they get close in past the age of thirty two many hard hits Simpson led the N._F._l.. And rushing for the four time in five years with over fifteen hundred yards on two hundred ninety carries in fourteen games four times in five years is insane while Jim Brown the N._F._l.. In rushing eight times between fifty seven sixty five cents O._J.. Entered the league only Eric Dickerson Emmett Emmett Smith and Barry Sanders have also led the League four-times Emmett Smith the only other one to do at four to five years domination Simpson scored eight touchdowns on the ground caught another one for total nine scores Third Simpson season of Simpson's career that he would average over a hundred yards a game game a rare fever running back to do once in a season even today Simpson also had the best game career during the Thanksgiving game against the Detroit Lions Umass then record two hundred seventy three yards and twenty nine carries two touchdowns still the sixth highest number pro football history for a single game in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven not a huge football year for Simpson huge year for our tail today in the summer of seventy seven thirty year old O._J.. Meets Future Second Wife Future Murder Victim Nicole Brown now while she's working as a I just turned eighteen years old a few weeks ago waitress at a private Beverly Hills club called the daisy. Although still married to Marguerite Simpson began secretly dating the just graduated from High School Brown Simpson's set an interview in his first wife weren't officially divorced when he met Nicole but that the night before O._J.. And Nicole met he and Marguerite had agreed to a separation. Maybe true maybe convenient but maybe O._J.. Just trying to look good when O._J.. Met Nicole Marguerite was pregnant with a couple of third child daughter Aaron born September Twenty Fourth Simpson's seventy seven season with the bills will be his last in the cold ass outdoor games upstate New York <hes> O._J.. Started out strong and seventy seven averaging almost eighty yards game but he would play only seven games due to injury going to have knee surgery later in the year and then Simpson will be traded to his hometown team. The San Francisco Forty niners nine hundred seventy seven also a breakout year for O._J.'s film career scored a role in the wildly popular critically acclaimed TV miniseries roots also starting made for T._v.. Movie called a killing a fair play homicide detective who has an affair with white detective partner was nowhere the is that this interational relationship garnered almost zero controversy during a time when interracial romance especially on the on the screen not widely accepted still early racist society. That's how beloved O._J.. was he wasn't seen by generally still pretty racist. America as a black man he was the juice he transcended skin color. He was a kick ass running back who's also really funny. well-spoken spoken polite and handsome and all those hurts commercials if you were super racists as a white dude where your daughter had to marry a black man. It was a good chance you'RE GONNA Pick O._J.. If Not O._J.. Maybe Michael Jackson who just turned eighteen and hadn't yet transformed into a weird creepiest fuck mannequin person who if not a pedophile certainly not someone who should be your go-to choice for babysitting in seventy seven O._J.. Also starred alongside Elliott Golden James Brolin as an astronaut and Capricorn won a movie about NASA fake. Any Mars landed a Luma nutty the whole Hollywood thing starting to look real promising for O._J.. Nineteen seventy-eight clear that Simpson's football career is winding down the niners terrible. They score the lowest amount of points in the league that year set an N._F._l.. Record with sixty three turnovers O._J.. Plays only ten games Russia's pushes for under sixteen under six hundred yards scores. Only one rushing touchdown fumbled five times ran for Carrillo three point seven yards per carry and his next season wouldn't be any better but he was rich making tons of hurts money Dayton hot blonde eighteen year old beverly hills waitress actress Marches seventy-nine o._J.. Marguerite finalize their divorce nowadays free to openly date Nicole and he does and then just five months later tragedy strikes O._J.. Marguerite two year old daughter Aaron Lee Shown Simpson drowns in the family swimming pool less than a month after her second birthday paramedics responded to a call O._J.'s home when they arrive they find a little toddler light lane lifeless beside the pool the cause of her death would be listed as respiratory failure. We do not have any additional details other than no wrongful death or negligence charges were filed against O._J.. Or Marguerite despite the two year old wandering into the pool alone was there locking gates trying to the pool that somebody forgot lock assembly was slider unlocked was a someone O._J.. Was Someone Marguerite. A SIBLING SIBLING WAS O._J.. Supposed to be watched that day but he's too busy. fucking around is new girlfriend. We don't know her death could have been entirely accidental or could have been somebody's fault as far as football nine hundred seventy nine Simpson's last season in the national football league plays thirteen games again for the niners starts and only eight the Jews not on the loose. The juices contained juices in the bottle caps on fucking tight O._J.. Would carry the ball under ten times. A game finished with the lowest output of his career. Foreigners sixty yards in the niners win only two Games in eleven seasons in the N._F._l.. O._J. played for a winning team. Only three times played in only one playoff game however finished his career with over eleven thousand career yards rushing which when he retired was the second N._F._l.. HISTORY BEHIND LINEAR Jim Brown O._J.. Still ranks twenty first first of all time and career rushing career rushing yards forty years after retiring despite playing you know when they play to less games this season Simpson also still twelfth all time and average rushing yards per game and a career ended up at eighty three point two yards a game over one hundred thirty five games plate so again O._J.. Wasn't just a good football player. One of the best of all time when he retired he was arguably the greatest running back in the history of the N._F._l.. At least in the conversation with Jim Brown and thanks to tons of hurts commercials and Cameos and several T._v. shows in a few films wildly wildly famous wildly popular with both white and Black America with his football career now behind him he devotes even more time to acting which would only increase his fame and nineteen seventy-nine he started in British thriller with forty-five-year-old Bombshell so feeler end and one of the most beautiful women of all time opinion. <hes> James Coburn called firepower. He is third billion this time he's on the official film poster now. The movie was panned by critics but still movie and O._J.. Still one of its stars also in Seventy Nine O._J.. Starts up his own film production company. Orenthal productions were still strictly and made for T._v.. Movies for people get stabbed. They made seventy three stab movies <hes> no they didn't. They made several T._V. movies. The first of Five made-for-tv Film Simpson would make was called Goldie and the boxer also came out nineteen seventy-nine o._J.. would be the executive producer on the film as well as a star in the critically acclaimed. It was not critically acclaimed <hes> in the movie O._J.. Played a man named Joe Gallagher who is an unknown boxer who gets spurred on to fight for the title again by the ten year old daughter of deceased of a deceased boxing champ <hes> little Goldie. The movie was panned by critics but rated well enough for N._B._C.. When it debuted on December thirty two landay sequel on N._B._C. called Goldie in the box or go to Hollywood in golden the box or go to Hollywood Goldie turns sixteen and the boxer Sir again played by O._J.? Starts to have a sexual relationship with her then just a few months into the Romance Goldie catches the boxer cheated on her over and over again when she finally confronts him and Threatens To leave he beats the ever loving shit out of her eventually concerned family infringing courage golden to call the place when she does charges not filed this happens time and time again finally Goldie divorces the boxer strikes out on our own until one day the boxer and fit of jealous rage stabs Golden John Rodman her friend impossible lover to death in front of Goldies Ren would condo in the boxer gets away with it through some legal tomfoolery how foolery critics found the film wow distasteful but it rated well enough for third film to be Greenland and the trilogy was completed with the next release of now. The gold is dead. The boxer finally goes to prison for some of his old championship belts back from a collector critics felt a title was lengthy but most were happy that the boxers character funding got some Goddamn justice of course that's not true with a plot of the that's not true about the plot of the second movie. The existence of third two movies were made in one thousand nine hundred eighty with O._J.. Retirement if the N._F._l.. is a sure foul Oh sure fire hall of Famer his new girlfriend and his acting star and Film Production Company on the Rise O._J.. Is Living The American Dream Nicole and O._J.. Get a new place in Beverly Hills. Unlike Marguerite Nicole loves the spotlight I like O._J.. Nicole often together with other celebrities and athletes a high profile Hollywood parties behind the scenes different story though O._J.. Marguerite may have had their own domestic violence issues Nicole and O._J.. Had them for sure. Nicole did not come from O._J.'s neighborhood neighborhood. He did not meet her when he didn't have a dollar in his pocket. They didn't grow together. Come from nothing together experience the first taste of success together that a very different relationship dynamic Nicole while she was actually born in Germany grew up in Orange County. She was so cal kid. She was homecoming queen in Highschool who grew up in upper middle class neighborhood not far from the beach when she met O._J.. He was already celebrity. He was rich famous and much older than her. He was twelve years older which isn't a huge deal when one person's thirty to another person's forty four but for sure a huge deal when one person thirty another eighteen in that situation one person is fully in adult one person is comparatively still kid and Sony ways and if you disagree I'm almost certain you're under thirty with rare exception. One person knows who fucked they are one person just starting to find out Nicole wasn't O._J.'s partner from the beginning. I think is pretty fair to assume. He viewed her as his possession in my opinion when someone in their thirties or older is dating people in their teens. They're generally not looking to be challenged challenged anyway. After death the world would learn the Nicole hit survive seven or eight separate occasions of reported domestic violence and quite likely several dozens of other incidents that were not reported more on that a little bit later in one thousand eighteen eighty O._J.. was part of only one Hollywood project made for T._v.. Movie he produced and starting called Detour Terror O._J.. was once again the executive producer on this is official. One cents description makes it sound like possibly the greatest movie ever made homicidal Dune Buggy trio terrorizes a busload of Las Vegas bound tourists with the intent to kidnap one of them. I'm sorry you say Dune buggies. You Say Vegas Tourists Being Terrorized Holy Shit Him in O._J.. Plays the bus driver and even snakes Nicole onto the bus in a non speaking cameo role only one user review of this film I._M._D._b.. Dot Com and ends with if this is the only thing on T._v. playing on the T._v. late at night run do not walk away. It's that bad if made for T._v.. Movies you can't be hits. I didn't matter if Simpson could really Atra Not America loves him and more sweet endorsement money roles in to go with nationwide hurts campaigns which had to have made a millions O._J.. Now started cutting commercials for the now almost totally defunct pioneer chicken chain only two locations remain out of the nearly three hundred locations they possess in the Mid Eighties O._J.. Even owned to pioneer chicken franchises random trivia. One of these restaurants destroyed during the nineteen ninety-two l._A.. Riots they had a great slogan. That's great chicken no bones about it a little little ditty nothing as quite as good as a lot of older popeye's chicken locations used to be pioneer chicken locations for some random chicken trivia check out one of the commercials. I love <hes> commercials the seventies and eighties <hes> fucking good this O._J.. And Pioneer Chicken Bristle Summertime Join Pioneers Refund special did get a large pieces of golden find. Your chicken mashed potatoes Coleslaw for just six ninety nine Shit Ya pioneers even got free coupons for Universal Studios with the biggest discounts including a free and the attractions like transformers base camp two thousand ten space walk and much more well of course find your chicken summer fun special for six ninety nine the great way to make new friends right bro Hilarious. Oh the end there. There was people dress wear costumes and he gave them a funny look but anyway he he really was good. He was good and comedic roles also a spokesman for honeybaked Tam so delicious by the way the P._X.. Corporation the CALISTOGA WATER COMPANIES LINE OF NAP a natural soft drinks and even appeared in print ads commercials for Dingo cowboy boots walking around and Dingo cowboy boots right now you can go fuck yourself. That's all I've worn in. My whole. Life is Dingo cowboy boots. I wearing shorts. I wear nick. I wear them to bed. You're not a man if you're not sleeping in your Dingo cowboy but now I never heard before but check out this. This is a great. This is a great old commercial here. This is O._J.. Simpson Bunch of women around singing looking at him how handsome e is strutting around is God damn cowboy boots often. Ill will love to you know. You're hoping that you don't want to show he's got. We know that you'll Bingo booth. Get instep getting step you guys with some Dingo boots. Today's time suck brought to you by Dingo boots the best boost swearing you're walking going away from a double homicide fucking Dingo not br around anymore. Money was flown in O._J.. Live in it up and Hollywood social media been around the do what have been killing instagram. I'm guessing what thirty million followers at least ninety-three nights eighty three O._J.. Lands and other spotlight limelight when it becomes one of the commentators on the one of the most popular shows on T._v.. Monday night football the juice is in the booth. You know they said that at least ten times in one thousand nine hundred three Simpson appears in two of the best made for T._v.. Movies of all time based on titles he starts him Ham Moan and hilly and even better title cocaine and Blue Eyes how great those movie names Fuck Yes. I'll watch cocaine of Blue Eyes sold actually I won't I tried the whole things on Youtube and I tried to find one good like line. It's so bad it's not even so bad. It's good it's just fucking boring for a long time you again. You can watch entire thing on youtube. If you just have an hour and a half you don't get to talk about or you can buy the D._V._D.. On Amazon if you have an hour and a half and twenty bucks you don't talk about fast a couple years nights eighty-five February second now twenty five year old Nicole thirty-seven-year-old o._J.. Get married former close friend in a coal former actress Robin greer would later say O._J.. Made Sexual advances torture at their wedding classy tap could be slander but based on other things you'll hear soon also not out of his character nineteen ninety-five also is the era O._J.'s elected to the pro football hall of Fame Kent Ohio and August third overwhelmingly selected in his first year of eligibility ability in his acceptance speech mentioned that coach from High School Jack Mc Bridge says you know there are people in your life who teach you things stay with you and I can recall the Jack McBride. Excuse me Jack Jack and bridge one of those guys who had that affect on me I ever in down both ways fucking who cares. It's McBride Urban Bridge One layer difference. I'll never forget Jack because he told me he said Oh. Jay In this world are rules. We must all live by. He said you gotTA learn that. If we're going to be successful in this world you're going to have to learn to accept responsibility for your actions. You tried to help him. Jack got no. She tried if only would apply to lead a little more in the coming years October seventeenth nineteen five cents have their first child together O._J.'s fourth child overall daughter named Sydney Brooke Simpson Sydney would go on to defend her father as she grilled or call number best friend at one point after the murders the poor Sydney just eight when mother was killed she managed to stay out of the spotlight despite several tabloids best ever to track down. I do know that she graduated according to Internet from Boston. University in two thousand ten hopefully has done well for herself ever since during the remainder of the A._G.. Will Continue to work as an internationally known endorser color color commentator for professional football and an actor and several T._v. shows movies most of his acting roles smaller and forgivable films but he did lend a regular role on one of H._B._O.'s or in one of H._B._O.'s very first SITCOMS I ten O._J.. showed up and season two plane T._d.. Barker Touchdown Barker Step Parker. Excuse me touchdown park. A veteran running back forced to make the transition from player to coach he played T._d.. The last five seasons of the series and then Simpson's biggest and arguably most memorable role came in the nineteen eighty-eight Zucker brothers comedy the Naked Gun starring Leslie Nielsen Priscilla Presley huge hit grossed almost two hundred twenty million at the box office on a sixty five million dollar budget simpson's blundering in but lovable charactered Nordberg widely applauded the character would return with the movie sequels the naked gun two and a half the smell of fear nine hundred ninety one and naked gun thirty three and a third the final insult ninety four these movies were my intro to O._J.. Simpson he was in my Opinion Canyon fucking hilarious and these movies I went back and watch the hospital scene and the first movie were Nielsen. Aka Frank Checks on orbit after he's pretty banged up and he sits on his hospital but in a folds in half with him in it and then falls this face on his crotch. It's it just goofy slapstick but it's so well performed truly one of my favorite childhood comedies nonstop jokes from start to finish if you WANNA study the density of jokes in a movie studied the naked gun. It's fucking mind boggling okay. That's enough about O._J.'s football heroics T._V. and film career. Let's talk more about his dark side right afterward. From our final sponsor. Time suck is brought to you today by movement movement now making more than watches they also make sunglasses. He shouldn't have to choose between overprice price designer sunglasses and cheap shades the Mo- last you to this summer. I just got myself some movement sunglasses construct with durable acetate and lightweight materials for perfect fit movement sunglasses started just sixty bucks no pair priced over ninety five dollars. 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Mt Movement Dot com slash time so join the Movement Lincoln today's episode description now back Twi O._J.'s for sure a woman beating piece of shit this. This is where a lot of the O._J.. Coverage starts but before getting here I just wanted to really spent some decent time illustrating why his fall from grace his alleged double homicide was such a big deal if you were U._S._C. Fan and N._F._l.. Fan a person who watched an average T._v. during the seventies eighties early ninety s you would've. I felt like you knew O._J.. Simpson he was a celebrity you'd watch for over two decades and then he's had a Ford Bronco Hidden on the freeway accused establish his ex wife to death and her legend lover what the fuck the closest famous ethic comparison. I can come up with today <hes> for O._J.. Simpson is actually former star quarterback Peyton manning similar wholesome image not quite the same background. Payton's dad was also an N._F._l.. quarterback but same aw Shucks I'm just I'm just trying to the right thing. Play hard kind of football image and same comedic abilities pains really early funding commercials <hes> one of paid and it also appeared a bunch of movies and T._v.. Shows not just playing himself. Magic peyton manning had become a Sitcom regular for like five years he played some staff Ron Veep and then he'd been in like several fast and furious movies and had had a large role in one of the hangover movies and his wife was an instagram model and he had more of a leading man look now he's on the news is brother. Eli Driving on the freeway escalate after pain possibly stabbed the fuck out of his ex wife one of her friends how big of a trial would that be and then what if you add some sort of racial tension like a lot of racial tension like there was with O._J.. Trial a blackman and trial for the murder of white woman black America tired of seeing young black men wrongfully incarcerated you understand the stakes of this crime. The social magnitude of this trial America of Udoji is so <music> wholesome mainly because they had no idea that for years behind closed doors his violence had been building Nicole Brown Simpson's murder forever changed the way America looked at domestic violence prior to the O._J.. Trial spousal abuse was seen although perhaps use in mostly unspoken terms as a private matter but after the trial of O._J.. And the amount of abuse that was alleged his hands plus the allegations of a stocking aggressive measures of control overall violence of her murder. It was made clear that if you suspect a domestic violence you needed to report poured it growing awareness about pervasive danger of domestic violence largely because of the O._J.. Trial was instrumental helping get in the violence against Women Act passed through Congress and ninety four with funding from this act policymakers began seeking new ways to address domestic violence beyond sending bathroom into shelters and giving them restraining orders that were largely ineffective advocates now saw the need for comprehensive services to help victims start over and be protected. Nicole's death lost a lot of new studies about domestic violence towards women. We now know for example apple that the biggest red flag regarding homicidal potential is an instance in which an abuser tries to choke off a person's Airway San Diego Detective Sylvie Avila says statistically we know that once the hands are on the neck the very next step is homicide. They don't go backward terrifying. We also nationwide more than eleven hundred women are killed each year in America by intimate partners according to a two thousand eighteen report by the violence the Violence Policy Center that use two thousand sixteen F._B._I.. Data we we also know that domestic violence Hollandsworth even average of twenty thousand calls a day in the U._S.. According to National Network to end to violence twenty thousand day that's nuts thing about how he women. Don't call what fifty thousand hundred thousand half a million a a Lotta Nicole Simpson's own abuse was detailed in a letter she herself had written to O._J.. As part of their divorce proceedings a letter she locked away in a safety deposit box is if she knew it might come in Handy one day O._J.. Indeed killed her during the trial. Simpson's lawyers were quick. Quick dismiss past alleged and proven abuses against Nicole as irrelevant to the case but that's fucking bullshit. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. I've always loved that quote. Unquote attributed to numerous psychologists and I think it's true I think someone who was violent. Towards Nicole numerous times before she was murdered had much better odds of killing her than someone who is not violent torture Nicole's right is illustrated abuse against her was carried out in many ways range from Simpson giving her discuss it looks with each pound. She gained at our first pregnancy in one thousand nine hundred eight to quote beating the Holy Hell out of her a year later according to Nicole in one case when she needed to see a doctor after one of O._J.'s beatings the couple told an X-ray lab tech that she fell off a bike the letter and other documents show the she'd been planning to escape from Simpson for many years. I demonstrated the kind of fear complications at come with attempting to get away from an abuser. Especially one victim has children with not only did defend it verbally abused physically abuse degrade and humiliate Nicole throughout the relationship but he stopped and harassed her as well well so O._J.. Prosecutor said an introduction to the eighty five pages of abuse documents entered into court at least a dozen Kohl's friends and associates describing awesome an often gruesome detail more than fifty incidents from the couple stormy relationship in a two thousand fourteen dateline view Nicole's friend Kris Jenner. Yes the matriarch of the Kardashian clan said that Nicole told her just weeks before she was killed. Things are really bad between Oh Janai and he's going to kill me and he's going to get away with. Is it a fucking creepy. Is that quote. He's going to kill me. He's going to get away with it said just weeks before court. Documents portrayed Mr Simpson's too hard drinking foul mouth man who's jealous rage is led to violent encounters that left Mr Simpson or Mrs Simpson bloodied and cowering powering the evidence shows the defendant was extremely jealous and possessive man the prosecutor said legend a pattern of behavior a systematic plan to control her that ultimately resulted in the killing of Mrs Simpson and her friend Ron Goldman in one incident detailed in the documents released east by the prosecutors. Mrs Simpson told her mother that O._J.. was stalking her. I'm scared her mother. Judith Judith Brown quotas having said shortly before she was killed. I go to the gas station. He's there I go to the payless shoe store. He's there. I'm driving and he's right behind me. Do any of you listening. Do Not fucking do any of that ever. If your stocking someone like this guess what unless you're trying to prove they've committed some type of crime against you the one the detrimental effects you. Here's a fucking creep for doing this because you're jealous and word is someone who doesn't want to be with you seen someone else you're acting like a fucking psycho. Nothing good will come from this. You sat and or scary fuck of meat sack. Nicole Brown met O._J.. Pretty much a child and she spent the other half for life under his thumb. The marriage lasted seven years during which time they had to children daughter name Sydney as we mentioned born in one thousand nine hundred or Sunday Justin born nineteen eighty-eight through throughout the Rocky Relationship Simpson investigator multiple times by police for domestic violence pleaded no contest spousal abuse nine hundred nine. This is a now infamous incident. This happened New Year's Eve nine hundred ninety called nine. One one was made from O._J.. Simpson's estate located at three hundred sixty North Rockingham at three fifty eight A._M.. The nine eleven dispatcher who entered the call Sharon Gilbert had no dialogue with the caller but heard a woman scream and what she believed to be a physical altercation happening in the background although well she never spoke with whomever made the call based on what you heard occurring in the background Gilbert rightly dispatched officers from L._A._p._D.'s West L._A.. Station to respond to the potential incident when the first officers detective John Edwards and his partner officer Patricia molest Milewski Milewski Polish their I've Nicole started yelling. He's going to kill me. He's going to kill me. Detective Edwards ask Nicole who is going to kill you. Nicole answered O._J.. The the Detective Respondent O._J.. Who Do you mean the Football Player O._J.? The football player Nicole said yes O._J.. Simpson the football player Detective Edwards testified that he observed the following injuries to Nicole's face shit a cut approximately one inch. I believe on her upper left. Lip should a swollen right forehead. I I believe her left or right. I was starting to blackened. It was swollen. Shed some sort of imprint some sort of swollen mark. You can see on her cheek. I believe that was on the right cheek. She had a hand imprint on her throat on the left side of her throat. Next Detective Edwards said uh-huh they ask Nicole. Tell him what had happened. He testified the Nicole said O._J.. Had slapped her hit her with this fist and kicked her and pulled her. I think pulled her by the hair officer <hes> Milewski proceeded to enter the vehicle sit in the right front seat eight and take the crime report from Nicole during this time Nicole made a series of spontaneous statements to detective Edwards an officer Lewis fucking stupid Polish name got damaged Malinski per detective Edwards testimony. She said you guys never do anything something to the effect that you never do anything about him. You come out you about eight times. You never do anything about him and she says I want him arrested. I want my kids back. I WanNa go in the house. Then detective Edwards Observed Mister Sure Simpson walking towards me from the house where an open bathroom with a pair of shorts under no shoes detective Edwards testified that when O._J. reached a close gate he said. I don't want that woman in my bed anymore. I got to other women. I don't want that woman in my bed anymore. What what a fucking asshole like he's bragging to the police about his sexual abilities now telling the officers here's one his wife and his bed because he has to other women? He's fooling around with in the same house. He's living with his wife the move of Cocky dirtbag the detective testified that he told O._J.. The Nicole had obvious physical injuries to her face that she said that he had hit her and I could see trauma and open wounds to her and that she wanted him arrested and I was going to have to play some under arrest for spousal battery Edwards also stated that while he was not sure sure he believes O._J.. Responded to the statement by saying I didn't hit her. I just I just pushed out of the bed the right yeah. It's fucking. She just felt like so many times after I push detective Edwards once again explained to O._J.. The due to the injuries to Nicole's face they had to place him under arrest detective active. Ben Testified The O._J.. Said you're not here for eight times before and now you're GonNa arrest me for this and then he said this is a family matter. Wow this is a family matter. That's all just one of the many times uses superior size and athletic ability to beat the shit of a small terrified wife just family steph taking the trick or treating Washington ballgame. This is due to a six six. One two hundred twelve pounds is playing days so usually a little heavier after he's probably twenty to thirty Nicole five five no more than one hundred twenty pounds dude had one hundred pounds on her and a lot more muscle and he doesn't think slapping around and do anything wrong. It's his family shit. The police report continues approximately two minutes past and O._J.. Simpson comes back out now now dressed he approaches. The clothes gate says Detective Edwards. What makes you so special? Why are you doing this? You guys have been out here eight times before. No one has ever done anything like this before the Ticket Edwards explained to O._J.. That he was going to have to place him under arrest that the law required me to place him under arrest and that there was no ifs ands or buts about in check this shit out as Edwards begun begins to explain the situation to his recently arrived supervisor O._J.. Jumps in his Bentley and just fucking drives off he says as I was explaining to the supervisor what transpired what we needed it to do I saw a blue Bentley stored up the light startup. Turn on it went on the driveway. I was not aware was there. It went out of driveway onto Rockingham out another gate similar to the one I've been standing in front of and the vehicle went southbound Rockingham. Oh Jane is White Bronco not the only chase he led police on his life when this when this gets caught he flees. That's a fucking pattern detective Edwards in the Supervisor Sergeant Glenn Varner Push Pursue. Excuse me Oh Jane his belly but since both men weren't squad cars when he exited the property. And then you had a pretty good headstart he just he fucking gets away. They can't find him. Following the furthest pursuit upon returning to Rockingham detective Edward testifies that he offered to drive Nicole to an emergency room get treated right then and there she declined saying she just wanted to be taken back into the house. She wanted to be with children. Understanding the importance of documenting her injuries via photograph Edwards testified that he asked her if she would go to a West L._A.. Station and how polaroid photographs taken of her real quick she said yes those pictures still alive today very telling he rougher fucking face up pretty good although it was never mentioned a police report or any of the documents associated with the incident detective Edwards testified the wall at the West L._A.. Station to coal told him that the incident occurred because Nicole was upset there was two other women living in the House and then O._J.. Had Sex with one of them prior to getting into bed with her that night if this accusations true what kind of fucking medal maniac and then a guy who just drives away from the police whatever and he didn't get in trouble for that part <hes> man just a fucking athlete who's been catered to way too much as eagles out of control they kind of self senator sociopath you have to be to be fucking not just two different women who are your wife but also brought them to stay in the same house as your wife and then beat the shit out of your wife because magic just fucked one of them before climbing into bed with her brown wouldn't file for divorce until over a year after incidents you falls on February twentieth nineteen ninety-two citing irreconcilable differences Yup. She didn't like being smacked around humiliated related O._J.. And he likes smacking her around humiliate her <hes> pretty irreconcilable difference the divorce belong in messy. They would seemingly reconcile then want nothing to do with each other than try and be friends then date which I think it was more just O._J.'s pursuit than Partways O._J.. Himself never considered himself fully out of her romantic life on October twenty fifth nineteen ninety-three Colonel <hes> currently definitely not romantically involved with O._J.. And living in Brentwood rental home Nicole called nine eleven in a panic saying that her ex-husband was just was outside. Excuse me in a White Bronco shouting obscenities that he had just knocked down the back door. The call lasted for fifteen minutes with O._J.. Times audibly screaming obscenities while Nicole told police dispatch he's. He's O.. J. Simpson. I think you know his record. Just send somebody over and she said he always comes back La. What a haunting quote data's? You always comes back. Nicole story is so fucking sat when officers arrived Nicole <hes> excuse me O._J.. Still there and according to an official incident report admitted breaking the door took full responsibility for its replacement. That's the family matter officers don't worry about it just kicked back door threatening killer colder horn some shit you know just family stuff on the following summer just five days before her murder Nicole contacts shelter for battered women telling employees there that she's being stocked that she's being harassed by O.. J. Simpson she tried so many times get help and this motherfucker still will be found not guilty. Get the fuck walkout it here June Twelfth Nineteen ninety-four the most infamous day of this tale after all the warnings for calling the police so many times. I've told her friends and family she worried about O._J.. Killing her and getting away with it reporting the letter detailing abuse fears years in a safety deposit box ever calling a domestic violence shelter just a few days before Nicole Brown Simpson Ron Goldman found stabbed to death outside of Nicole's Condo in the Brentwood areas at Los Angeles now. Here's a rundown of the hours leading up to her murder. Six six thirty PM after attending her daughters dance recital Nicole has dinner with friends and family at the Brentwood restaurant Mezzaluna where her friend Ron Goldman worked as a waiter for the previous few weeks. Maybe even a little longer 35-year-old Nicole twenty-five-year-old Ron have spent a lot of time together while I wanna say they were romantically involved. There is no concrete proof of that Ron was good looking charismatic guy who's live consisted of waiting tables dancer nightclubs hidden Jim Playing Tennis. He Nicole working out together grabbing coffee together grabbing dinner together. Go dancing together. I should add that Ron was straight had a healthy dating history and told friends how attractive he thought Nicole was to me. How are they not dating but he didn't seem to tell anyone they were dating a friend? He'd known since Kindergarten Mike Pinkus. I would say that Ron always told him he was dating someone and he never mentioned a coal that way so maybe they were not dating or maybe they were dating but because O._J.. Wasn't insane fucking psychopath and Super Jellison stalking her. Maybe Nicole Toll Ron not to tell anyone because she was afraid of what would do pure conjecture my part but those dating situations for Sure Exist O._J.. Had also attended the recital allegedly asked to join the coal in the family for dinner at Mezzaluna and Nicole told him no probably pissed him off a little bit told the guy no the guy should just call domestic violence shelter about a few days back at eight P._M.. Nicole Brown Simpson and her children leave Mezzaluna. Stop for Ice Cream on the way home. I can picture this all so well in my head right. I used to go right at some coffee. Coffee shops around were all just went down in L._A.. Nine Fifteen P._M.. One of Nicole Brown Simpson's sisters calls Ms Luna to say that Nicole's mother had left her glasses at the restaurant her friend Ron Goldman still working there volunteers to return the glasses to Nicole's condo ondo somewhere between nine P._M.. At nine thirty Brian Kato Kaylin KAELIN EXCUSE ME FRIEND OF O._J.. Nicole's Hussein O._J.'s guest house goes to McDonald's with O._J.. For Dinner Oh but O._J.. Was fucking seated at McDonald's quick refresh on cato the the random due to became famous for a little while only because the O._J.. Trial before the trial Kato was a thirty five year old model. Not that's accessible casting agent who met Nicole in one thousand nine hundred and Aspen Colorado on a ski vacation a month later Nicole invited tailored to a party to railroad home on Greg greenway where he noticed an empty guest house near the pool and asked if he can move in the rent was five dollars a month with the discount based on how much time he would spend washing her young son and daughter but when Nicole plan to move to a smaller condominium mm-hmm on nearby bundy drive. Kayla was gonNA move with her. Take an inside downstairs room but O._G.. Didn't like it. Kane would later state that O._J.. told him it just wouldn't look right. The dude was staying with Nicole when he nicole. We're trying to reconcile which they weren't. O._J.'s head had during the trial prosecutor Marcia Clark Kato were you in Nicole Lovers. No Kaelin reply just friends. Maybe Nicole really did have just numerous tonic. Dude France not impossible O. J. Offer Kato a better arrangement. Stay rent-free in the former football stars larger guest Taus. That's so weird to me. Oh Gee let Kato Status Place for free just so a dude is not staying with his ex wife because he thinks the reconciling when they're not O._J.. Was So obsessive and delusional also the Condo Nicole moved into located eight seventy five south bundy drive for six years lived at one four one nine south saltaire drive point seven miles away the rouse grocery store. I shopped at just a few blocks away. The last time I gave jogging ago probably will not happen to get. I jogged directly in front of her CONDO. That was my little by little route had no idea until this week suck. It was <hes> we're all this went down had no idea I was so close to such an infamous address being where these things happen always makes them feel so much more real to me not just words on paper realize real tragedies Kayla and O._J.. Return home around nine forty five P._M.. O._J.'s home located at three six zero North Rockingham avenue just two miles away. If you're driving the speed limit just six minutes away I can personally vouch for for they're not being a lot of traffic in this neighborhood at that a time time of day. Goldman leaves the restaurant around nine fifty P._M.. With the white envelope containing the glasses and this is about the time the murder happened the scene was gruesome Nicole's head nearly cut off in her own condo courtyard she was is murdered in front of a condo and a little walkway or anyone passing by could have seen the murder happened if they just look pass them foliage the killer almost certainly O._J.. For for reasons out soon stab Nicole four times the next for delivering the final devastating throat wound the the four stab wounds and a close set patterns suggest Nicole Simpson was held in some way and gave little struggle the medical examiner would later testify the prosecution Ashvin assailant could've knocked out Nicole Tax Ron then returned to cut her throat. It is possible the examiner answered none of Nicole smaller stab wounds or headers would have been fatal right away. The medical examiner said she was alive at least a minute or so before the last wound was inflicted. He also said that he knew she was lying. Face down because the blood flow to the ground rather than into your lungs or Esophagus I would say she she died. Within a few minutes probably less said the examiner who added that the entire attack probably lasts only a few minutes as indicated by the few defensive wounds on her hands. All the slash wounds to her body could have been left by one single edged knife about six inches long long a double edged knife could also left some some some of the smaller wounds but those cuts could have been attributed to the tapered tip of the single knife as Ron Goldman. He was founded deaths along with Nicole on the walkway leading to the CONDO. He was just a few weeks. Shy was twenty six birthday. His death also occurred quickly in minutes at most according to the examiner Goldman died from blood loss largely from to stab wounds to his a order and he suffered numerous other stabs and slash wants to his head and body according to a world renowned forensic pathologist who testified for the prosecution. This pathologist felt that it took only a single attacker about fifteen seconds to kill Nicole and only one additional minute to kill Ron during the reconstruction structure of the events. The police came to believe Goldman had arrived either stir during or shortly after the attack on Nicole Goldens family believes that Goldman died trying to save Nicole and around ten ten fifteen p._m.. Watching T._V. Pablo <hes> then Vin Yavuz a neighbor of Nicole Brown Simpson a screenwriter. Here's the cries a constant barking of a duck Pablo would later ghost writing infamous book called if I did it where with O._J.. Simpson roughly a decade later after spending a lot of time with O._J.. Working on that bulk he came to firmly believe that O._J.. Killed Nicole and Ron ten twenty five P._M.. Limo driver named Allen Park arrives at Simpson's home to pick him up for scheduled trip to the airport sees the figure of a man rushing around inside Simpson's house. Not Suspicious is at all <HES> O._J.. QUICKLY STABS Ron. She's me if O._J.. If O._J.. Quickly stabbed Ron and Nicole death round ten pm he would have plenty of time to get back home ten twenty five pm somewhere between ten forty one and ten fifty five another neighbor of Nicole Walker dog notices Nicole's dog a white Akita named Kato Weird <hes> by itself Barking with blood and his paws too bad Keta was knocked. BOJANGLES bojangles would've saved Nicole Enron and pinned O._J.. Buys nuts until the police showed up and then ripped off old warheads nuts for all the beatings he'd previously given to Cole Good Boy bojangles good boy ten fifty five the Limo driver Allen Park still waiting for Simpson. He's buzzed Simpson. Numerous Times Simpson is not answered. Causes boss tells him Simpson's not home park is told by his boss. Just wait until eleven fifteen simpson is usually late eleven A. One. O._J.'s reports the O._J.. Does finally exit the home over half an hour after he thought he saw someone onscreen about inside the house not suspicious at all. What was he doing their Sharon off some blood SCHNITT change US and bloody clouds going over some new lines for new hertz rent a car commercial? I'M O._J.. Simpson did you know that if you get somebody's blood all over your hertz rent a car you don't have to clean it covered in your rental agreement hurtful clean the car and never ask questions the next time I stabbed the fuck us and people out to be sure to drive off in a hertz rent a car hurts. There's no better reynolds drive away in after double murder O._J.. Then driven L._A._X.. Catches flight to Chicago Eleven Forty Five O._J.. Leaves California takes off to Chicago to attend. A Hertz rent a car function after the event O._J.. Had planned to play some golf wind down a bit after stressful impulsive dumber at ten after midnight June thirteenth police said a passer-by found the body of Nicole Brown Simpson thirty-five sprawled on the steps of a walkway in front of the CONDO. The body of Ron Goldman Ronald Lau Goldman found a few feet away in the shrubbery both fully closed over four hours later four fifteen A. M. O. J. who landed in Chicago checks into the O'hare Plaza hotel around five A._M.. Detectives Mark Furman a name though soon become infamous dude who's previous use of racist language would be manipulable introduced reduced by O._J.'s defense team to completely motherfucking hijacked the trial dude who moved to Idaho to the panhandle settling beautiful sandpoint roughly forty five minutes from the engine and Philip vannatter arrive at Simpson's Rockingham mentioned to inform him of Nicole's death but instead they discover his bloodstained Bronco and a bloody glove that matched another one found near Goldman's body in front of Nicole's house feels like so much fucking evidence around five forty A._M.. Detective firm and decides to jump The wall the property in order for police to get inside the estate once on the grounds detectives Awaken Simpson's daughter twenty five year old Arnelle who is staying in a guest house. She takes the police to the main house between seven and seven thirty A._M.. Detective <hes> vannatter declares the area. A crime scene goes to get a warrant search the house ten forty-five him with search warrant hand L._A._p._d.. Search O._J.'s mansion find even more traces of blood on the property including the four in the Ford Bronco at noon. O._J.'s told Nicole death and says yeah. I don't know credits you stand got does stabbing her left. Oh I mean Oh my God. How did it happen O._J.? Hits the airport to return to L. A. immediately arriving early in the afternoon returns to his Brentwood mansion where he's handcuffed taken to the police station and questioned after about two our Simpson leaves the police headquarters in his driven home. It's reported that O._J.. told his kids about their mother's death while reading them a story stories that went something like hey kids. Let me tell you the story about Nikita so new store. You haven't heard of yet the story about a bad madwoman horrible mother doesn't want to live with their kids daddy anymore. Nikita doesn't want to do what she's fucking told so in order to protect his family and save his kids Nikitas expert should be current husband. A Bow Jay has to killer enter boy toy dawn and she won't admit she's fucking him even though he knows aspire for months story where June fifteenth nice any for the families Nicole Brown Ron Goldman hold on hold tend to funerals Simpson is to children attend Nicole's funeral how awkward for Nicole's family they had to have Nonni fucking did it. It's amazing this motherfucker still alive. It's amazing. Someone hasn't revenge killed in two days later. Public Chaos begins June seventeenth nine hundred eighty four O._J.. Simpson officially charged with the murders of Brown and Goldman although Simpson originally promised to surrender to authorities O._J.. Instead fleas becomes a fugitive. He's later spot up to four or five freeway in the past your seat of his White Bronco O._J.'s old the high school friend Al Callans the man who drove front he stole so many years earlier was driving in the media circus ensues. These guys drive down the four zero five from Brentwood all the way down to Laguna Niguel down in Orange County back up to five to the ninety one to the one one ten backup on the four zero five to ten and then East headed into downtown L._A.. The police chase last over an hour and a half so many People Watch O._J.'s low speed chase that Domino's pizza reported super bowl like numbers. I remember watching the chase back and ribbons sitting there my in my bedroom I watch in the N._B._A.. Finals comes on the screen. Then I headed alluded to wash my mom is O._J.. A._C. or followed by police cars and helicopters an estimated ninety five million people tune in to watch the sixty mile pursuit which did famously interrupts erupted broadcast the N._B._A. Finals Despite O._J.. Beena possible murderer the streets immediately began to line up with Jay fans. There's pictures of guys online. You can find holding up signs saying stuff like saves juice. We love the juice Simpson was talking with L._A._p._d.. On his car phone and he was certainly talking about suicide transcript of the conversation available online oh also wrote a note that most people consider his suicide note in it he wrote. I think my life Philip done most of the right things. So why do I ended up like this probably 'cause you fucking stabbed people. I can't go on no matter what the outcome people looking point. I can't take that well you are and you can. I can't subject my children to that. You did this way they can move on and go on with their lives later. In the letter he claimed victimhood as Narcissus often doing situation saying Nicole. I had a good life together. All this press talk about Iraq. Relationship was no more than what every long-term relationship experiences are friends will confirm that I've been totally loving and understanding of what she's going through at times. I felt like a battered added husband or boyfriend. He actually says this but I loved her. Make that code. Everyone and I would take whatever it took to make it work. Don't feel sorry for me now. Don't definitely don't wouldn't have killed herself. I've had a great live great friends. Please think of the Real O._J.. And now there's loss person God what a what a way to not take responsibility for Mesa Shit the balls astute has to say that he was battered listeners on world. It's like it's like part of him. Never left those projects man part. Him was fucking stillwater. Head Simpson's is White Bronco Adventure eventually ends O._J.. Surrenders at his house before nine P._M.. Thrown in jail without bail in O._J.'s possession you had a handgun his passport which he claimed he always had him get Outta here. Who the fuck always carries razer passport outside of people who have to suddenly routinely the country for work or people who are fleeing from justice he had eight thousand seven hundred eighty dollars in cash O._J.? Would deny that but he had it and he had an actual disguised can't fake fucking beard on him the he'd about weeks earlier said he was gonNA use take kids at Disneyland so people wouldn't bother bull shit dude love to be bothered. He loved fame. There's no history of him disguise himself in public so he could you know avoid autograph seekers the evidence. It's against Simpson was extensive. His blood was founded the murder scene I repeat his fucking blood found at the murder scene blood hair and fibers from both Nicole Round and Ron Goldman founded Simpson's car and it is home and repeat that again as well Nicole Nicole and Ron's blood and hair founded his bucking Bronco Nicole and runs and hair were found inside his home why was Ron's hair and blood and those places he never said footnote Jesus. You never went the Bronco it was there because obviously did it also one of his gloves Fountain Brown the other outside Zone House the bloody shoeprints founded the scene match exactly apprentice shoes owned by kind of wish they would have been dingo boats dingo boots. Nothing like gigabytes to walk away from Earth. Police also found video O._J.. Had made quickly made video where he'd filmed himself in front of Nicole's condo directly after the murder she was covered in blood he stood over there dead bodies knife in hand and recorded himself doing a quick touchdown celebration calibration and he's spiked one of the gloves on the ground. Look juice juice is on the loose fuck these motherfuckers vacuum. I kind of both I don't get away with it. I'm like a Scooby Doo Villain after they get coward headed they just get let go. I can do anything I want. I'm the greatest running back of all time now not even Jim Brown could kill juice juice above the law that uses a living God. They didn't find that tape but we'll have they found so much evidence now the trial century let's get to that. It's been covered in depth so in other places. We're just GONNA skim over most of details here July Twenty Second Night Seventy Four O. J. pleads not guilty by saying he is absolutely one hundred percent not guilty to the murder charges. They turns the camera and does a quick hertz rent a car commercial. Hey I'm O._J.. Jason if you're wearing them dingo boots you need to get away anyway. On September ninth. The prosecution decides not to pursue the death penalty six life without parole. The jury selected November Third Ninety Ninety four the initial jury selected has made up of four males eight females emails eight of the jurors are Black Hispanic white to or mixed race. I include they're racist here. Because the defense team's main strategy would be to make the jury think this case was all about race racist cops planting evidence when it wasn't it was about murder on January eleventh eleventh nineteen ninety-five the jury reports duty. O._J.'S DEFENSE TEAM GETS TO WORK O._J.. Would use will later be called a Dream Team of defense attorneys. The team included Robert Shapiro Sarah Kaplan Johnny Cochran Carl Douglas Sean Chapman Gerald Uelmen Robert Robert Kardashian Alan Dershowitz F. Lee Bailey Berry Shrek Peter Newfield Robert Blazer and William Thompson fourteen attorneys and yes. One of O._J.'s lawyers was his longtime friend Robert Kardasian father to the family family who go on to become famous mostly for just being famous. This army of attorneys reportedly costs somewhere around fifty thousand dollars a day money well spent if you can buy your way out of a murder conviction which you absolutely can sometimes this Dream Team claims before a national national television audience that Simpson had been framed by racist L._A._p._d.. Detectives mostly Mark Furman and it worked they manipulated jurors into believing officers who had not been convicted of plenty of evidence before did planet this time why because they're raises otherwise they can't wait to fucking plant stuff here are some of the closing arguments made by Deputy District Attorney Marcia Clark Given September twenty seventh nineteen ninety-five she started by addressing the issue that the defense was focused on the racism of a police officer Mark Furman. I love what she says. On August twenty nine the jury had heard old tape recordings of firm and making many racial slurs slurs he denied making during his cross examination who'd actually charged with perjury for this and also about him bragging about his enforcement police brutality which would be invested later. It'd be found that mostly it's like he just got caught up in talking tough and most people think he greatly exaggerated his claims he was though for sure racist in Aligarh however again no evidence of him ever framing anyone before lining racism racism do not equal framing someone for murder Clark says let me come back to mark Furman for a minute just so it's clear did he lie when he testified here in this courtroom saying that he did not use racial epithets racial epithets Joe. How do you say that word does no he that word? I learned it and I forget about having again. He used racial words in last ten years. Yes is he racist yes is he. The worst L._A._P._D.. Has to offer yes I do. We wish this person was never hired by L._A._P._d.. Yes should never have hired him no or have ever hired him. No should such a person believe be a police officer. No she says here in fact. Do we wish there were no such person on the planet. Yes got him. She does not hold back on Furman made it very clear the prosecution well aware that he was a racist liar. She continues by saying but the fact Mark Furman is a racist and lied about it on the witness. Stand does not mean that we haven't proven the defendant guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and it would be a tragedy if with such overwhelming evidence ladies and gentlemen as we have presented to you you found the defendant not guilty in spite light of all of that because of the races attitudes of one police officer exactly logic if only the world ran less on emotion and more on fucking logic democracy would be so much better the court system would be so much better then Marcia Clark turns her attention to the sloppiness l._a._p._d.. Police work saying the defense. It's not many many other questions. They questions about whether L._A._p._D.. Some bad police officers does the Scientific Division has some sloppy criminals. There's a coroner's office have awesome sloppy corners and the answer to all these questions sure yes they do. That's not news to you. I'm sure it wasn't a big surprise to you but those are not. They're important issues. You know we should look into the quality control. Things should be done better. Things could always always be done better in every case that every time there's no question about that. We're not here to vote on that today. The question is what the evidence that was presented to you that relates to who killed Ron and Nicole. What does that tell you? Does that convince you beyond a reasonable doubt. Yes marsha it it. Does it really does most importantly for Marcia Clark's finale. She unleashes a flurry of evidence most of which would be a slam dunk in a heartbeat for guilty verdict with today's D._N._A.. Technology she says let me summarize few what we have proven one piece of the puzzle. We've proven the opportunity to kill. We've given the time window in which he was able to kill because his whereabouts were unaccounted for during the time when we know the murders were occurring we have the hand injuries that were suffered on the night of his wife's murder to the left hand and we know the killer was injured has left hand. I didn't even bring that up before that's even makes it even crazier. We had deposed homicidal conduct. I told you about line to Allen Park a limousine driver making Allen Park wait outside not letting leading Cato pick up the little dark bag. That's another thing we didn't get into because suck US along already his reaction to detective Phillips when he made notification when Detective Philip said to him Nicole has been killed instead of asking about a car accident the defendant ask no questions we had the manner of killings killings indicate that it was a rage killing that it was a fury killing that it was not a professional hit the men are killing indicates that one person committed these murderers or murders one person with the same style of killing. We have the knit cap it Bundy. We have the C._B._S.. Another piece of important evidence that there's so many this thing we have the evidence on Ron Goldman shirt on the blue black cotton fibers the defendants hair we have the Bruno Magli shoeprint size twelve all of them size twelve his shoe size all of them consistent going down the Bundy walk walk. We have the Bundy blood trail his blood to the left of the bloody shoeprints exactly just that his blood to the left of the shoeprints. We have the blood in the Bronco his in Ron Goldman's. We have the Rockingham blood trail up to the driveway in his bathroom in the foyer. We have the Rockingham glove with all the evidence on it Ron Goldman fibers from his shirt Ron Goldman's hair Nicole's hair the defendants blood Ron Goldman's blood Nicole's blood and the Bronco Fiber and the blue black cotton fibers. Yes we have the socks and we have the blue black cotton fibers on the socks and we have Nicole Brown's blood on the socks there. He is pointing Adobe Simpson. I mean Holy Shit. There's so much evidence the following day the defense presents they're closing arguments there now famous arguments Johnny Cochran delivers his now famous phrase makes me so angry every time I watch this video which I did multiple time for the suck. If it doesn't fit you must acquit regarding O._J.'s murder gloves loves being too tight. It's infuriating if you go back and watch the courtroom footage of O._J.. Putting the gloves on they do fucking fits they fit this. This whole thing is insane. He's putting the gloves on over a pair of latex gloves so the evidence is in contaminated in his famous fucking seen from draw. The texture of Latex on lubricated latex is very different than human skin. It's like try putting on your socks. One of your socks socks that for sure fits when your feet or wet your foot. Is it bigger when it's wet but there's a different type of surface friction that exists between a wet foot and sock than does exist a dry foot in the stock. It's harder to put a sock on a dry or excuse me wet foot what that is a dry sock and I know that because I'm impatient and don't often dry out a shower and I try to my socks on. I'm like Oh yeah that thing. I've done a thousand times now if you want to. Another experiment put on some gloves that just barely fit then put on but the fit properly nice and type would fit then put on some latex cleaning glimpse now trying to put those gloves on over the latex gloves. I did out of curiosity guess what harder to get the fucking gloves on overnight a pair of Glass O._J.. Struggling with those gloves was the best Goddamn God damn acting moment of his entire career at worked. Why did it work more on that in a bit my opinions after deliberating for just four hours a jury equipped Simpson on October third ninety-five Marsha stands up yells at the jurors on camera you you stupid Fox? Shame on you you stupid Fox then. She lifts her skirt up. She takes shit on the courtroom floor. She gets up. She points at it and she says you did that. You did that today to justice then O._J.. Steps into frame and says you didn't just shit on justice today. You know who didn't Hertz rent a car. Did you know that you can sit inside your rental with hurts and I've had to pay for it is covering rental agreement. You shouldn't shit on justice but you can't and shouldn't hurt. I did y'All O._J.. Simpson's above the law no the less up didn't happen. There was a great deal more to this case. We don't want to do attend part O._J.. Sears that's been done over and over the trial has been examined reexamine to death but here's one interesting additional piece of INFO points to going so very guilty something that happened years later in two thousand six. He was supposed to release that book. If I did it the one he he wrote with Pablo the ghost rider a book that Ron Goldens family would later releasing clicked proceeds from because of a civil trial verdict. We'll talk about here a few minutes O._J.. Jay Did to our interview with the publisher. The head of the Public Judith Regan they would not air later until two thousand eighteen to promote this book in the interview Simpson goes to a quote purely hypothetical discussion of what happened on the night his ex wife and Goldman were the steps of Nicole Simpson's Brentwood condo one of O._J.'s prosecutors. Christopher Darden truly believes in this interview O._J.. Confesses to the killing Simpson's says he went into Kohl's Condo on the night she died with a friend he describes Charlie who gave him a knife and he encountered Nicole later on Goldman. No one knew Jay Leno Charlie Simpson in the interview details what he describes as reports from friends and Nicole become involved in drugs and sex parties with fast living female friends he tells you regan that he blamed Nicole's death on the unsavory people well he claims were associated with Nicole Regan said Simpson before the told her that he agreed to speak in quote unquote hypothetical terms so he could maintain deniability with the children. Excuse me basically he told her that he did. It and Regan has since said the interview. You absolutely convinced her O._J.. Was the murderer. There's no doubt in my mind she said the O._J.. Simpson criminal trial was actually is one of three trials ODI would be involved in the mid nineties. The second trial was a custody trial will O._J.. Was In jail during his murder trial Nicole's parents blue and judith at Brown taken Cusi of O._J.. Nicole children and when he was released you know they didn't want to give the kids back to him. I mean can you imagine keeping those kids back to the mandate. You know you know beat the shit out of your daughter over and over again terrorized her the man you gotTa know murder now coming to your house demanding that you hand over your grandkids again. It's a miracle somebody didn't snap and killed his mother far at least try and poisoning something O._J.. Would win this battle as well although take five years to do so eventually the judge in this case would state or <hes>. Yes what state psychological testing clinical observations in review of Mr Simpson history with the children does not yield a picture of a man who has in the past or as likely in the future to lose control of himself such a manner as to emotionally physically harm the children then there was the third trial the civil trial over Nicole Iran's now what is a civil trial in general terms civil lawsuit is the court based process to which person a can seek to hold person be liable for some type of harm arm wrongful act usually person as successful he or she will be awarded compensation for the harm that resulted from person B.'s action or inaction also note that liable doesn't equate to guilty. It's more can do responsible. DANCEABLE is person be responsible for what happened to person a in reality is the closest thing we have to try and someone twice for the exact same crime interesting that a judge felt that there was enough evidence for the Goldman family to bring a civil case against Simpson for a crime he'd already found not guilty of our judicial system so very complex in many ways on like a criminal case which is looking to punish the wrongdoer for the crime a civil cases meant to compensate the person who is harmed again usually in the form of monetary terry damages paid from the defendants the plaintiff the Golden Brown families filed civil case in late ninety six granted a trial that began in January of ninety seven and Santa Monica. No T._V.'s this time around no racist cops taking a stand no Dream Team Defense and O._J.. Loses loses on February Eleventh Nineteen ninety-seven Los Angeles County Superior Court jury ordered O._J.. Toupee financially debilitating twenty five million in punitive damages to the families of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman the same jury awarded the Golden and Family in additional eight point five million incompetent Tori damages the week before the total would be thirty three point five million dollars. The jury also Simpson had battered Nicole on the night. If a murder Ron Goldman's father fred Goldman said this is about the verdict the money is not an issue it never it has been it's holding the man who killed my son and Nicole responsible contrary to the media shit storm then Gulf the previous criminal trial jury made a quick decision in this non television trial televised trial over Simpson's guilt juror number eleven eleven woman in her thirties would say finding O._J.. Simpson liable of the murderers and acting with depression and malice was one of the easiest decisions I have ever had to make Hail Nimrod Yeah in the end O._J.. Got Away with murder order kind of force pay a bunch of money that he's certainly didn't have <hes> not after all this fancy lawyers Nicole and goldens families agreed to split the proceeds from an auction of Simpson's memorabilia personal belongings including his heisman trophy. The Goldman's also got proceeds from that if I did a book later republish with a new subtitle confessions of killer a few years later O._J.. Would lose another court case in California right after moved south Florida where he's been many years in nineteen ninety nine the state of California issued a tax lien against Simpson for personal income taxes on top of the money he owed Nicole Colourants family on February sixteenth nine hundred ninety nine the auction house butterfield and Butterfield sales nearly four hundred thousand words of Simpson's artifacts with all the proceeds going to Nicole and Goldman's families is heisman trophy accounted for more than half that total September September two thousand O._J.'s visited by Florida police officer after more domestic violence allegations Simpson's new girlfriend Christie Prodie called the police. An alleged Simpson had broken into her home. No charges were filed. It will be one of four such times uh-huh police were dispatched to handle domestic instance between this couple makes them look that which guiltier still beating women earliest accused of doing so Kristie when O._J.. Dated her looked eerily similar to Nicole so creepy like they could easily be sisters in two thousand Christie's twenty-five O._J.'s fifty three. They started dating ninety six when she was just twenty-one and he was forty six. Hello <unk> daddy issues meet needs to control young women and Abuse Issues O._J.. Oh Jane Christie would date for thirteen years live in the Miami Florida area area together on O._J.'s N._F._l.. Pension by the time. The relationship ends in two thousand nine after O._J.. Would go back or go to prison. Christie would say O._J.. Threatened to kill her shelter came to believe he absolutely Louis Killed Nicole and Ron said he also tried to get her to look more and more like Nicole. The longer they dated had her hair dyed blonde look more like Nicole how to get breast implant so her breasts to call that so fucking weird December of two thousand Simpson's arrested on battery <music> an auto burglary charges in Miami after an alleged confrontation with other motorist guy named Jeffrey Patterson. I remember when that Story Rook October Twenty Fourth <hes> two thousand one Simpson's acquitted of all the charges but it would still be so much more legal stuff on December four thousand one the F._B._i.. The idea and other local law enforcement search Simpson's Kendall Florida Home Kendall a quiet suburb Miami for evidence that he might be involved with an ecstasy smuggling ring as well as money laundering and a coordinated effort to Steal Satellite T._V. Signals. They find nothing. Simpson is neither arrested nor indicted though some satellite equipment is confiscated would lead to him get in trouble later however several months later all F._B._I.. Documents culled from a lengthy wiretap investigation that led up to the December search of Simpson's home featured testimony from reputed drug smugglers regarding O._J.. Allegedly having an insatiable co Cabot and you know being pretty chummy with a lot of prominent dealers one Miami dealer Andrew Anderson told federal agents he was supplying Simpson and his girlfriend's still mess around with numerous woman with the illegal drug ecstasy see Anderson said that throughout his first two years in Florida as Simpson was trying to restore his public image to hospital visits media interviews he was also indulging in cocaine ecstasy abuse frequently thing what the pictures paints do gets away with murder loses in civil court but still gets keep enough money live comfortable. You know a life Florida have an early retirement sipping drinks playing golf doing blow doing some e fucking Nicole look alike. I hope this gets hit by fucking bus. I hope ideally I hope he gets hit by a bus being driven by Casey Anthony Who's not wearing seat belt and she gets shot to the windshield and she lands on O._J.. And that impact kills them both what a great wrap up for those details on July fourth two thousand two O._J.. Gets more legal trouble all so much more Simpson finally justice you get cited for speeding on his powerboat through manatees zone. Here's the pay one. Hundred thirty are fine. We got him voice. We got O._J.. Simpson killed his days long taking the juice down. No way slipped out of this hundred thirty are fine not even Johnny Cochran. This Simpson gets in another weird bit of legal trouble July Twenty six thousand five he loses a civil trial brought on by direct T._v.. Over signal theft charges stem from the two thousand one search of his home and we talked about yesterday twenty five. Two Thousand Dollars to the Satellite Cable Company Ketchikan O._J.. Just as loose Miami you thought we were done manatee fine now motherfucker. That's just the beginning gets on signal theft charges now. Oh you'll you thought you can watch College Game Day <hes> on our no now this rate. We're GONNA have you in jail for a few days by two thousand twenty now. Let's take a quick break from his timelines talk about how in two thousand six O._J.. Also attempted to sell a tasteless reality. Prank show called juiced a show. He made a demo real four spin spent too long on time sucks we checked in with the idiots of the Internet. Internet juiced was supposed to be a hidden camera prank show and the style of punked if you remember that show with O._J.. Simpson is the prank master general supposed to be big comeback vehicle made during a time when reality T._V. was exploding. It's very wild. West put all kinds of shows on the Air O._J.. And Production Crew O._J.. Hired filmed O._J.. O._J. pretending to be homeless trying to or on the oranges on the street and one Prank Wayne deal the lie the show signature line even juice except he doesn't tricky buddy. It's it's pretty cringe-worthy pretty awkward. He pretends to be a BINGO number caller caller another sketches really bad calling numbers and pisses off a bunch of people at a senior center. He's got used. There's a prank re. Topless woman jumps on trampoline for quite a while. That's that's it. There's nothing else to this frank. <hes> it's weird and easily the best part of the show Hello Safina there's other weird pointless sketches and then there's a rap video and it is the fucking best buy I mean worse but it's so good so it is so bad as good this video shows how o._J.'s chase completely tone deaf and how lax any self awareness regarding how America sees him the video features O._J.. Dancing around surrounded by topless dancers dancers literally roughly forty years younger than him. He Saints Shit like don't you you know there's no stop in the juice one. I'm on the floor like line on the loose better Schumer with the tranquilizer dart. Don't be stupid. I'm not a Simpson named Bart <hes> so good you guys listen listen to just doesn't he's just a bit of this before we talk about the comments underneath it big dipper about my many questions your murderer the juice when I'm on me. What did you the only talking about football okay this whole time yeah? He's also return by predominantly young blonde white women. I mean just knowing what we know about him. Maybe don't do that. Maybe a little clueless. Maybe a little again a little tone-deaf fucking Idiot Dragon Blazer Ninety seven posts. Please God no one report assistant. Get taken down to its user. Mike replies he doesn't shut the rap game down well. We'll play their hopefully they're commenter Zayed obeyed rights so apparently he murders music also exactly so far most host the comments actually make sense. Oh then thank God Papa Wolf shows up Baba Wolfe writes. He needs a hard on I <hes> I'm sorry what Megan is even Megan's even better. He spells Dell's need as in like like your your knees A. K. N. E. E. D. is not a real word but like referred to the middle part of your like who the fuck watches this video and thanks how what is missing. It's got a great beet. Salad lyrics could camerawork boobs but something still feels off is is it the fact that features a woman beating murderer surrounded by women who resemble the woman he murdered now that that can be it. I know if you look really close you can tell the juice doesn't have a boehner why voter this as a Boehner God user Credo Abe Thorpe posting to crack me up writing. I wish he wasn't murderer. Yep May two way way to go credo eighth or what are you throw that out there. You were all thinking it. You had the balls to write it down user. Nesta Ortega goes way out of his way alone. People do stuff like this goes way out of his way to let us all know he's very straight. He likes having sex with attractive women for sure he writes. I liked the music video strippers all look sexy I would date and screw all of them. Okay good job or now still waiting. It gets off chests. No one's GonNa ever question your sexuality Ya not now after that definitive statement finally user Mr Marvelous Post three simple words he did it and then Dragon Blazer Ninety seven comes back to win the Internet writing yeah but this makes up for it offers as of the Internet the Internet fortunately juice never gets picked up for TV and the following year two thousand seven O._J.. Actually gets caught for serious crime. September Thirteenth Simpson is arrested and charged with several cumulative accounts robbery with the deadly weapon burglary with deadly weapon and conspiracy to commit a crime according to the police report to sports memorabilia dealers claim that Simpson and five other men some of them armed barged into their Las Vegas Hotel Room and Stole Varies O._J.. Simpson Memorabilia items which Simpson claims had originally been stolen from him. I I love it. Dude gets arrested for stealing his own memorabilia. I should try that next time. Someone brings like one of my vinyl records to show from your sign. I should just fucking take it Nah Nah I do. I'm not giving them backs mine mine. It's my house my name on it October thirty thousand eight tenths and found guilty on a dozen weapons robbery and kidnapping charges for the Vegas Crime December fifty cents to thirty three years in prison eligible for parole after nine Simpson's simply remark the judge wants the only thing for anyone within you shouldn't have fucking stolen and then in my mind he links to the camera and <hes> in the court turns and says if I had to do all over Hertz rent a car hurts consistently rents the best getaway cars in the business. If you need to flee the scene fast take it from the juice. There's no faster than hurts. There's no there's no way hurts as evidenced box to show now after this verdict Ronald Goldman's father fred tells media it was satisfying seeing him in shackles like he belongs less than two years ago October first two thousand Seventeen O._J.. Released from prison on parole after serving his minimum sentence nine years behind bars after is released a state of Florida says that Simpson is no longer welcome. They're writing. Our states should not become a country club for this convicted criminal. Oh Damn not even Florida him saying a lot. The home of Florida man doesn't want O._J.. Simpson state famous for headlines About dirtbags Simpson is currently living in Las Vegas sounds about right active on social media historic continues just last month Simpson joined twitter. He already has almost nine hundred thousand followers so safe to say he's going to be making some endorsement money all over again like us to how fucked up is that and how terribly great would it be started tweeting about hurts. Please please do that. I told you Simpson don't tweet and drive between a car doing her to rent a car. We like I do tweet about your football days tweeted if no one thinks you're a cold blooded murderer tweed like you're not some with a long history of domestic violence. I'm done putting some of the hurts on lady folk but I don't rent a car. It's pretty sickening. It's going through his feet which you can do without following him by the way he looks good books healthy post about a video. A day seems to be joined. His life next seems to be still supporting portent giant fucking mellon just fine posting tons of videos about him playing golf boasting about his N._F._l.. Accomplishments pontificating about politics talking a lot about fantasy football pumped up a few weeks going to Buffalo Sports Radio Show and Buffalo podcast. He's probably GONNA have his own podcast soon still living large on the N._F._l.. Pinch pension money free after all this. Let's get out of today's time. Suck time good job soldier. You've made it back <music> before we go to today's. Takeaways is some some last thoughts on the O._J.. Trial I want to say that I get why the jury let him off with murder. I really do emotionally. It does make sense to me like I said early up so L._A.. Still reeling from the Rodney King beating the race riots have followed that occurred just too short years prior to the murders racial tensions still very high African Americans in the L._A.. Area new damn well that many L._A._p._D.. Officers were racially prejudiced against blacks trial. Just reconfirm this especially against black men that watch the king video and now as one of many racially motivated brutality incidence. It's many had seen friends and neighbors beaten unjustly by police and many of them just wanted a win now. A hero of the black community is on trial. Someone who'd become a symbol of how poor black kid from the projects could conquer white America and live the American dream to the fullest lists now this hero this mask hope wanted for murder. It must have felt like a punch in the gut and look bad. It looked like he really did it. It looks really really fucking bad but O._J.. Hired a lot of smooth-talking top-shelf attorneys and there is a this powerful psychological phenomenon. We've talked a lot about here on the time suck. It's called confirmation bias as Juror. I can see how you could choose to just focus on the racist cops. You could let some of those smooth-talking attorneys convince you you know what you must know deep down inside about his abuse about his murder. It just not true you just confirmation by. Let's at float on by and you just focus on these fucking cops that must've framed O._J.. Hated O._J.. I hated black Americans. They hey did you so fuck them right through quitting O._J.. You get to give a little fuck you back to the system that has always been so stacked against. You wins hard to come by. This is a big win. I get that as much as a white dude living in Idaho uh-huh can get that. I really do shame that O._J.. Of all people got to be the recipient of this racial payback to me. That's the real tragedy of this trial to me the O._J.. Trial good reminder that we meet sacks are highly emotional. Creatures emotion can and often does cloud our judgments of talked about it before but I was on a jury for a day and it was an open and Shut D._U._i.. Case couple years back dude was beyond guilty. Young dude passed out behind the wheel drove across the freeway onto oncoming traffic and flip down the bank at Three A._M.. Like drove across both sections of the freeway when the cops found him is blood alcohol limit was over three times legal limit and he said that because he was shook up by the wreck he decided to start pounding beers by the side of the wrote until the cops showed up which no one has fucking ever done who started off sober. I almost laugh out loud when he said that ludicrous and yet to of the other jurors I worked with wanted to let him off to emotional thinkers with axes to to grind one of whom when grilled why why can't you go along with the guilty verdict. He said because he thought cops Rasul's he's a local cops wrestles. He'd had some bad experiences being pulled over he essentially guilty verdict was letting the cops win. Not Kidding do got so mad when I pressed him on this he literally started shaking. It was a fucking basket case by the way he reminded me. You don't have to pass the psycho vowed to be jer. Don't have to pass an I._Q.. Tests either. It's fucking terrified even worse the other jurors. We're going to go along with captain crazy pants because too many people are just not confrontational. They just didn't want to confront an emotionally unstable nut shop so many meets acts are such terrible decision-makers in my opinion not only did O._J.. Do it but the prosecution proved he did it because we meet sacks or so often so scarred and flawed and have so many biases that that that proving that just wasn't enough. Sometimes we meet sex or just going to hear what we want to hear period end of story. We're just determined to get things wrong. Sometimes to me flawed human human nature is the only reason why O._T.. Is Out there Tweeden we gotTA wrong. We gotTA wrong with O._J.. In the juice is still on the loose time now for top-five Takeaways by away in the O._J.. Murder case ended up becoming something becoming about something should never been about race. Yes there was some racist. assholes involves see Mark Furman but the evidence of O._J.'s guilt was and is overwhelming firm and didn't plant years of domestic abuse allegations against with Nicole. He didn't plant motive an opportunity he didn't plant future legal analysts and acquaintances thinking that O._J.'s for sure guilty outside of O._J.'s legal team in a few conspiracy minded authors almost no one thinks he was actually innocent. Lot of people think guilty a number two O._J.. Should forever be remembered as a battery of women on his first wife. Marguerite insisted that he never harmed her Nicole reported abuse eight times dozens of other cases now reported even O._J.'s girlfriend post Nicole's murder Christie prouty lady who stood with them for almost fifteen years has come out saying that O._J.. Was Violent Cyril Abuser as well in that two thousand six interview in which O._J.. For All intents and purposes admitting to kill him both people he also admitted that he worthy he'll be remembered as a matter of women well. He should be number three the O._J.. Case changed the way America looked at domestic violence because of this case domestic violence was quickly taken from the privacy of the home in place into the public discourse. Sometimes something great can come from something terrible. Thank Nimrod number. Four two murders can't take away athletic greatness Holy Shit. I gotta give it to them. They're bowlegged water had fucking destroyed. Football is peak five years between seventy one seventy five. Perhaps the best five straight years any running back ever had in the history of the N._F._l.. O._J. still holds it's college and pro records forty years after retiring including most two hundred yard games in the N._F._l.. Crew with six high amount of yards rushing average per game an n._f._l.. Season over one hundred forty three largest margin of winning votes for the Heisman Trophy and N._C._W._a.. History also so ranked second currently all time and murders committed with a knife by kerner former N._F._l.. Player of course this record comes in Asterix because he was found not guilty and I'm not kidding about the second thing a crazy fuck head named Robert Rosiere another murder from Alaska like last week has killed more dude only lasted a few games N._F._l.. Play Defensive End for the Saint Louis Cardinals Nineteen seventy-nine he was released for drug and alcohol issues also spent two weeks and camp with the Raiders Rosiere was a member of the y'all way Ben you always temple of love of Weird Florida called nine hundred eighty five and the story goes at an order to enter you always elite Intergroup known as the Brotherhood yet to kill White Devil and return with the body part to prove it rosiere would admit to killing seven white people to please y'all way he was arrested and charged with murder on October October thirty I nine Hundred Ninety six Halloween detectives reported that brassieres fingerprints had been founded the scene of two random murders or trans have been killed their ears have been sliced off and press releases linked him with at least five other murders in Miami after agreeing to testify against she always orchestration who sentences twenty two years in prison at a servant ten years of the sense set free nineteen ninety-six he could possibly had some drinks with O._J.. And his is a story a possible story for another suck number five the last takeaway something I didn't mention it was the final Hollywood project starring O._J.. Before he murdered his ex wife and her friend the project was called Frogmen. It was a movie length pilot for what O._J.. And N._B._C. were hoping would be successful T._v.. Show the show was discussed but never introduced as evidence during in Simpson's criminal trial in a chilling echo those killings a scene the to our movie mental launched the Action Drama Series Features Simpsons character grabbing what he believed to be an intruder the young woman turned out to be his daughter and momentarily holding to her throat the prosecution also the best gay reports that Simpson received military training including how to use a knife in preparation for that role La Frog was N._B._C.'s attempt to recapture some of the fun lovin spirit of the team yet for all this notoriety frogman has been kept locked in vaults at Warner brothers few have seen the final product including many of those involved who found themselves caught in the center of a media storm even as they watched a lucrative career opportunity right off into the sunset history Simpson's Bronco. We believe that many levels for many reasons broadcasting the program whole or in part was inappropriate. It said Studio spokeswoman Barbara brought the Ati. All those reasons seem as valid today as they were then by away and that is how how we suck the juice yes. I know their arguments out there in books about how O._J.. Didn't do it but include them because it's already at least based on the notes the longest episode of time suck yet and also because I don't I'll buy it I default to the philosophic principle of comes razer once more suppose there exist to explanations for an occurrence in this case the one that requires the least speculation is usually correct for me. The one that requires the lease speculation is that he one hundred percent did it thanks to the team thanks to clean the clinic high priest of the suck harmony village Camp Jesse Guardian Grammar Donor Reverend Dr Joe Paisley Time Suck High Priest Alex Dugan the guys that Bit Elixir Danger Brain access apparel thanks to Heather Knowledge Ninja Rylander for the preliminary Seminary Research Zach script keeper Flannery for the additional research and May for some more research we do our best to thoroughly explore these topics and then I mush mouth up every single week next week still more true crime before we take at least a two week departure from the crime based on the subsequent topics next week a female serial killer and old time he wanted that you know I love me. No Time Suck Bell Gunness norwegian-born Bill Gunness Immigration to the U._S.. In eighteen eighty one and had a series of suspicious fires and deaths followed her that followed her immediately. She was like the female h h homes in some ways she loved to collect in life. Insurance policies like homes Bellwood recruit lonely folks looking for some romance and then they would just fuck and disappear she posted notices and lovelorn columns to entice wealthy men to our farm and then they were never seen again and then authorities eventually found the remains of over forty victims on our property and then bell disappeared without a trace and she didn't even need a Ford Bronco or an old football buddy. Try and get away. Hell's bells next week time sucker updates right now times update time sucker and gun expert Zachary Carpenter Center update to the Robert Hanssen Suck. I got similar variations of update for many of you Zach wrote on the listening to episode one thousand four and you mentioned the mini fourteen looking like the M._16. A._R. Fifteen on the civilian market but the mini fourteen is designed a scaled-down down am fourteen that was an older service rifle chambered in the three await. The mini fourteen is similar to the sixteen of the fact that they use the same bullet and magazine but they look much different fair enough fair enough. One of my sources described. The gun is looking like M._16. And I just accepted that and I was kind of wrong I will say doing some Google searches certain minium fourteenth with the right coloring and slight modifications to the stock look to me as being very M._16. Ish You know it's funny over the course of this of of Times that I've learned that gun experts have way more in common with comic book nerds than I would have ever expected. You guys notice details. No one else gives a fuck about love it. Keep teaching the rest of us. I like it <hes> Polish Korean time sucker Dan Kowalski Actually Dot W. Hausky sending a cool Napoleon update this victim of Polish Evil Tomfoolery Rights Doc Hausky. He wrote phonetically to preempt jokes. It is a Polish last name but I am fully Korean. Yes that confuses people including employers teachers. I've had over the years. I'm adopted while I'm sorry Dan. I want you to tell you what the Polish monsters answers who stole a fucking human baby live and I will have them exterminated like a filthy sandwiches they are Dan continues just wanted to put this out there. Regarding your comments from Napoleon Bonaparte Suck specifically about troop signing up shoulder to shoulder instead of Heidi behind trees rocks. Yes I'm late. Just listen to a few weeks ago. I apologize if someone has mentioned this to you before they have not this is such a good update line infantry tactics in the late seventeen hundreds weren't entirely due to the commanders total apathy for for the lives of their soldiers. It actually made a good deal of sense given the circumstances of the time number one muskets had no rifling and thus we're extremely inaccurate the only way to reliably hit anything to send dozens and dozens of musket balls into general malaria rifled muskets existed but we're not issued in large numbers and we're typically hunting weapons during the revolutionary war oftentimes militiamen were using their hunting rifles for combat hence why they shot much better than the British and why the utilized things like cover to communication sucked the best way to communicate information we're by by screaming loudly and musical instruments meaning that people had to stay close to hear any kind of orders muskets and cannons are really loud number three cavalry charges were still a real viable thing and would shred infantry that were spread out and disorganized the best defense was a huge Massa dudes with long bayonets created a spike wall for horses to crash into Holy Shit Spike while sounds terrible. I'm loving this update Dan number four our troops were not well trained other times needed to be instructed on virtually everything especially during battle. Most of the soldiers weren't battle. Hard professionals didn't have the initiative to work well alone another great point five lastly firing three groups is pretty common. One Line of soldiers would fire then begin to reload as they reloaded which would take a ton of time a second and then third line of soldiers would fire by the third volley the I could fire again creating a constant fire with no pauses anyway anyway I apologize or my apologies already brought up in a previous update and I did post this to the facebook group so the Colt will hear this regardless hold it has helped explain a little bit as to why a few hundred years ago they were employed tactics that seem totally suicidal to us today for reasons other than a callous disregard regard for peasant lives. What an incredible update? Thank you so happy to see those. Polish bashers did not completely destroy your human mind love the extra warfare. I love these kind of update so much one of my favorite things to learn these additional details that I would never otherwise learn hailed him right now. Let's hear from an angry fellow Idaho and and Times Eric Urban who completely missed one of my jokes and got fired up about Eric wrote the fuck dude you went to glacier sure national park and found it three out of five basically that means that you shame me as a fellow Idaho and fellow rigging citizen at some point you shame yourself as time sucker by underrated the national parks and you should always encourage people to visit and donate to parks your three out of five glacier. National Park is a failure of your own. Please revisit. Please continue to suck but also suck yourself when you feel compelled to write a national park. A three out of five is a place to go you love Teddy. You should push any any person to enjoy seeing them and continue their patronage. Love the outrage there but there's just too many inside jokes down to keep track of way back. This is why said this way back in one hundred episode the drunk faulk suck. I went under a rant about some idiot of the Internet who supposedly loved everything about a book on Amazon and after just nothing nice words about the book they raided the book three to five stars and it fired me up and I went and I went off about I was drunk you and then the joke stuck in the facebook group for awhile well. It's been too long since I brought it up probably explain that when I was saying five stars for Glacier I meant it's perfect. I meant like five or six five okay. Are we good now. Ranger Rick Quick Shout out on behalf of Evan Hair who writes dear masters took the time sucker wanted to quick note. Tell you how much time my amazing brother-in-law took me to your life. PODCAST stand up in grand rapids at the end of last year. I've been hooked ever since I think you're podcasts. Were amazing the only thing to get into the work day. I just have one request now for me but there's there's any way you could give a shout out to my brother-in-law one of your podcast. His name is Jay Dancer. It would make his year. He's a space lizard in one of your biggest fans. I understand if you can't because you probably get a million these requests but thanks for all you do hail Nimrod Hell is too faint. Praise bojangles P._S.. Can't wait see again in grand rapids. Let's we already have our tickets fantastic hail J. Dancer. Thank you Jay for bringing in your brother in law glad that you know you to have no shortage of fucked up stuff to talk about now or interesting subjects and now final updates a big one finally update comes in from an amazing time Sucker Jessica. I will leave her last name out now because she requested that because you did not but I want to protect her from any unwanted criticism that may come her way based on her criticism of me which I was glad to hear. Let me say d'avray clearly <hes> this gives me a chance to address some of my thoughts and what I think is acceptable. When it comes to my humor just rights stuttering dot dot dot hello? Dan was master soccer. I'm a huge fan of your podcast and was turned onto it by the love of my life and eleven year partner Charlie he's funny kind and smart. He shares a lot of the traits that you do with his hilarious yet quite unemployment quite on point rantings. We think you're amazing have been spreading the sock as much as possible and I even became a spacer. I always thought that if a roach you will be in the context of sharing something funny rasping shot up until I listened to the recent Robert Hanssen suck what adduce back however I felt like I was getting punched in the Gut each time you mocked stuttering Charlie has lived with stutter his whole life and the bullying is real. I've heard a stories about being mocked ridiculed by family members teachers peers strangers and friends starting from a very young age. I've seen the shock people's faces as he struggles with words to start with the vowel. I've heard people repeat historian back to him thinking. It's funny or that. He simply fumbled old a bit on a word. I've watched him to explain his daughter to people and worse. I've seen him apologize for it. This is the thing that he deals with literally everyday and I've heard him wonder how different is life would be if he didn't stutter this breaks my heart. He was the kid who always did the answering class would never raise his hand for fear that he would stutter people would laugh to this day. He has anxiety over simply making a phone call or talking to New People. I just wanted to raise awareness as he and I were for the first time ever not on your side of the joke. Don't worry we love the hell out of you and always will oh but I also know you're always opening different perspectives and I wanted to share that the stuttering joke seemed offsides and made both of us a little sat inside it was hard to listen to Stutter is actually kinda fascinating although devastating to the one suffering from it and perhaps deserves to suck anyway anyway. Thanks for making me feel like I could reach out and be heard you were an awesome human being hailed Nimrod big Lou Safina and a huge. Thank you to you and your team for nailing it hard love for Minnesota Jessica. Hello Jessica and Hello Charlie is well. I I love the both of you have enjoyed the show overall and I love that you feel that you can be heard because that's absolutely true. I no longer get back to everybody's messages or you know and I so sorry I've had I have to say this. <hes> before I get into this little last final Terry I went. I was in Mexico last week and I don't know what happened. Lindsey not got some weird virus. I've had non. It doesn't matter if I eat or not non for three days nonstop air pressure in my chest feels like there's a balloon somebody who's pumped up inside so I apologize for all. The weird stops trying to fight through it here but yes I know we don't get back till the messages but I appreciate all the messages sent in the only reason all your measures don't get responded to is because that damn enemy of us all father time. It's not enough time that friend of the reaper first off off sorry the stuttering jokes stung star the Charlie's had to deal with stuttering as you point out that has now been fun is does not continue to be fun as far as the running gag enough. I'm not sure it was and I'll explain why in some detail here actually I'd like to he uses an excuse to explain my kind of philosophy of common which which encompasses those jokes someone once said or perhaps numerous people said analysis is the death of comedy. We'll get ready for some unfunny but I think interesting comedic construction here the most popular character on this show so far based on emails and Merch requested based on people actually dressing up like him come into shows based on people yelling his catchphrase during live shows has to be Andre what big deal Chica Kilo and why is that she could Hilo was a fucking monster as ask was Hanson as was fish kemper etc <hes> mostly I feel the people have lasted Jacob Taylor because of a his impotence and be his comedic frustration over an obsession with his impotence and of course see a silly accent which could be seen as offensive in his own right if anyone has been teased for having an exit I think many of us find it funny that a monster a murderer someone obsessed with proving his dominant suffer from an ailment historically right or wrong that has symbolized a lack of manliness a a lack of traditional masculine power impotence but it is impotence funny for Everyone Fuck No. I think you see where I'm going now. Many men suffer from impotence many may have been mocked impotence. Many men suffer so much embarrassment over it they they aww dating problems. They refuse to see a doctor to treat it. I've talked about this with the hymns commercials. It's a real source of true not funny shame for many people so is it okay to make fun of Chico Chico's impotence and if it is is it okay to also make fun of Hanson Stutter I think it's interesting where where we draw or lines is it not and notice that I say Chica Taylor's impotence and Hanson stutter. I'm not saying if you have a stutter you are an idiot and deserving of mockery. If I heard some random person stuttering I wouldn't start openly mimicking making them. I wouldn't mock them not making fun of Stuttering in general making fun of how it relates to Robert Hanssen and what I think is a comedic way. Also I do know a little something about speech issues. I am the most mouse King I love getting teased about being a motor mouth off. My mouth is not a stutter but physically tongue tied. I probably should have seen the speech there as a kid wasn't one in Riggins. I have <hes> based on how I've been teased by others by myself and based on the world words of several dentists have normally small mouth and have some teeth teeth removed as a kid to make room a little mouth for some new teeth coming in and and my mouth is you know look smaller because of I have a pretty big hit by young niece Elliott has been pretty good about pointed out to me. Sometimes I mispronounced ignorance other times. It is genuinely only physically very difficult for me to get my tongue tied little mouth to cooperate also super prone to canker sores which makes speaking even more fun sometimes quite literally painful to speak because I have the equivalent of multiple stomach ulcers inside of my mouse and has four or five at one time I run through a healthy amount of Aleve and admiral kind of Dole the paint enough so that I don't try to move my mouth in ways to avoid the pain and speaking and even worse Mush your way. Do I get mad about the T._v.. I don't why I can't help it might as well embraced the marshmallow title. I'm always GONNA have it. <hes> we all have little eastern trinity some of my teeth or or crooked as well. I don't care about braces. GonNa fuck about super straight teeth. That bothers some people. Some people are very important that way but again I know what I have is not a severe or is noticeable as a stutter but also I think it's important to own quirks our shortcomings or disabilities our differences. Whatever semantics you WANNA use is it's the best way to control how they affect us? If your self conscious about something can you not find a way to own it and take power of mockery away from others as best you can maybe for stuttering and I'm not kidding. Maybe carry a little card and your wallet says stuttered so what at least I'm not an asshole mocking someone who stuttered so full fuck you. How would it be to hand that to somebody who's been addict Dick about it stab right in the Gut just no Jessica that when I make a joke like the Hanson joke I norman upset some people but if I don't tell that joke where do I stop? What's the next joke? I don't tell whereas the line is subjective. We all collectively you decide where it is like. I was telling kids other day. Never forget that all of our laws customs philosophies to me even our religions there just some meat sack opinions and thoughts that a fair amount of people have agreed upon none of it is set in stone. What's offensive well? Whatever we choose to think as offensive breath? Nothing verbally is inherently offensive for me. Dark humor is acceptable when the jokes directed at the right target and what I find subjectively to be the right way I feel my stuttering target with Hanson is Hanson making fun of him having asset not stuttering yourself. Why is his stuttering funding to me because of the frustration and gave a murderer he craved power creep dominance and stuttering rightly or wrongly doesn't verbally convey power? I found a funny still think it's funny for him wanting to say some dark super villain shit and not be able to and then be super annoyed with himself for another example. I wouldn't make fun of obesity. In General Lotta people struggle with obesity hurtful sensitive subject to many many people not gonna say something along those high your fat so fucking funny fat to me that's mindless and cruel but if I come across a serial killer who's very overweight who victims often get away because he's to away to catch him if he has take a lot of breaks while torturing somebody because of his weight if he dies of a heart attack trying to chase victim down as fucking hilarious to me probably GonNa make jokes expensive his weight will those jokes offensive people sure well she could Hilo offended many but I'm gonNA keep making these jokes because I would rather live in a world where there's a lot we can laugh at rather than start tightening and tightening what we can laugh into a little tiny bubble of few little things so we don't hurt anyone's feelings. There's a bill Burr quote out there that I cannot fuck and find for the life I mean it's driving me crazy today. Two years ago it was everywhere. The gist of it is bill talked about how for a lot of people who love comedy. It's all jokes all FUN Games until a joke touches on something personal to them then suddenly the comedies over now. It's a hate speech that really resonate with me with my own Santa. I've had instances of that many times I I wrote these jokes about mean greeting cards years years ago. Big Crowd pleasers close a lot of shows on them. I had over ten of these fake greeting cards making fun of Marriage Kids Christian holidays Jewish holidays all sorts of stuff. I had one about troops getting cheated on by the girlfriends while they were on duty overseas and I got hate emails for some military. You know I got some emails from people be offended on behalf of military members people offended on behalf of others by the way always a fucking worst had another card making fun of pet condolences cards got the meals for some animal lovers and I found hilarious that people couldn't see the hypocrisy at laughing all the other things I've said and then I mock something dear to their heart. Suddenly I'm not joking almost done with this community explanation our promise but I've been thinking about this for a lot of episodes also had an old joke about making a blind friend think I just pushed him into the Grand Canyon. I worried about what blind people would think about that joke and then I had to blind fans show but a show sitting in front and I skip that joke like a coward because I was worried about them and then afterwards they came up to me and they said they'd come to the show specifically for that joke. They fucking loved it and I was so mad at myself. Why did I assume they couldn't take it? Why did they ever tell any joke that was worried about somebody not being able to take why was I going to cater to someone sensitivities at the expense events of bringing my brand of laughter to others who do for sure enjoy it a hope that all makes sense? I liked laugh. Life is too sad if you think too seriously but I like to laugh about things many people find inappropriate and if I start curbing that now because it might hurt somebody's feelings so so much laughter is GonNa go away this whole shows GonNa go away so while I don't want to hurt feelings I'm not GonNa hold back when it comes to dark sense of humor. I'm going to try to minimize it's hurtful nece. I put a lot of thought into I really do but the dark humor will remain loose. Athena is strong inside me. I hope that made sense Jessica. I think it was completely. Okay for you to be offended. I just hope that when you or any other list gets offended you think that really do far or just too far from me because of my personal experiences and if I laugh many times other things that were equally that far glad glad you and Charlie will still have the podcast tell chuck leavell. Maybe someday will stutter and mush mouth our way through an incredibly sloppy conversation and last last. I promise maybe right. Maybe I'm wrong. They were both wrong. May We're both right. I'm trying to be confusing. Just want to remind you that we make make all this shit up. As we go along altered. I'll keep trying to keep to stay true. Listen to me fumble now Tamoun dark sense of humor while minimizing collateral damage. I hope most of you continue to enjoy this. Show like most all of you say most thank you for your continued input. Jesus Christ continued input. What makes this podcast special and I'll talk to you next week? Thanks times we geology foam shows up as I'm trying to have a great week. Everybody don't expect this much info next. We Got Dang. Keep going and getting these episodes longer then she'll just stop recording one podcast and time to start the next one. Don't stab anyone to death this week.

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Undercover Big Brother with Derrick Levasseur

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Undercover Big Brother with Derrick Levasseur

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Visa atlanta is an all new reality experience with the content dropping daily and new episodes every thursday so find out what happens when the next generation nations stops being polite and start getting real again in facebook click on the facebook watch icon and search the real world on watch m._t._v.'s the real world atlantic dreamy now only only on facebook watch it from bender palm roles to vegas and everywhere in between it's time to party scene say this is sudan again and now here's your host sheena okay guys here janet back studio the low we have a friend of mine who also known as the greatest player ever to win big brother mr derek how i don't wanna. I don't wanna fuck up your last name. I always say lavazza justice sound fancy but it's less your loved ones. This year is a correct way but i see lavazza derek lavar beat up talk with lavazza yeah. I was just making a little extra fancy when there's some extra letters and my go level sierra. That's how you're supposed to say lavazza gotta. I say easier for all your audience members h._i. Spell on that. One for a little bit. Tries fell shenanigans the way i spell it. I can't spell on my show. So how are you. You're away for the week. What do you have going on out here. Yes students in business out here. Obviously <hes> working upbringing homicide investigation discovery. We have some cases working out here some other opportunities with these cases to grow them evolve them and get them some more exposure so just kind of handle on that with the with the team and we'll see goes amazing. Janet and i love a good show on investigation discovery okay. I only need three channels. I mean investigation instigation discovery ian bravo on good maybe c._n._n. Investigation discovery's always in the top politics. I just gotta take a break from it. Aw that's when you turn into murder you know and you could just get a tune into some really yes. Janet likes when the rich people. We'll get murdered though she likes those <hes> a lot of trouble on this podcast. I got a lot of diablo and tweets because i said i've watched so many of those shows that now the only the ones that i find interesting are ones where there's an insurance policy or the people are really rich because <hes> the motivation and people did not like that. I said that they're like rich. People have feelings too sex revenge in money. Yes i know you can always be tied back to that one way or another yeah. I love your show on i._d. Breaking homicide you've had two seasons. Are you going to be filming a third. We're working on it. We'll see what happens over over two thousand cases right now we can go through but the problem is a lot of logistics to it and the issue that we run into is covering the case in a way that we're pointing pointing in a different direction and yet still not hurt the integrity of the investigation. We're the only show that does this right now. Only show where someone from the outside because i'm retired i retired the two thousand seventeen right. I'm a licensed private investigator but they're allowing me inside their station to look at actual police reports that haven't been exposed to the public so it's is a fine line there. It's never been done before a meeting with the district attorney's attorney generals and they're like you're technically a t._v. Show host now. You know it is new territory. We'll see how it goes. We're looking at making some changes to it. Maybe but <hes> as i said i was out here for some other things we'll see what happens and i'd love to do another season under under the right circumstances i want to be able to. I don't want to sensationalize murder if i'm going to cover it because i feel like i can make a difference. I'm not just doing it to have these families get dragged through the mud to hear hear about their loved ones so at the end of the episode i can come in like every other cold case episode out there and say oh you know do they killed. You know we want to push the ball forward so as as long as i'm able to do that and they have the resources to do it. I would love to do another season yeah. I love that would have been some of your favorite homicides to investigate so far on the show. It is just for attitude when it comes to the most case that 'cause i know you started started out. The first episode of first season was one that was close to home for you yeah so that's the easy answer right right that was when i was a detective working at myself michelle norris she's thirty-three-year-old case now. I believe that it's narrowed down to either her father or this. Other individuals lived across the street but they're all trying to choose your best your favorite child right. They all have a special place in my heart because they're not just cases like i've become so close with these families. I talked to them all the time. <hes> this season specifically you know we had a couple cases. Where as we speak i can't again. This is is the conundrum right. It's an actual investigation so there's been movement in three out of eight of the cases. I did where there could be arrests in. Those case cases based on the information formation that i was able to find you know if that happens that's a great thing because it shows that having people in the media if you allow them and you trust them and you divide up the guidelines in a way that it doesn't hurt the case social media things like these podcasts can actually make a difference in these cases because if they haven't been solved in thirty years there's the reason why and you gotta start trying to think outside the box and i think that comes into allowing people at crowd sourcing things like that people who are into who might say listen. I'm not a licensed detective but but i have a career in mechanics where i worked on ford's for thirty years and that little piece of license plate or that little piece of taylor that you have there. That's from an eighty seven ford wow uh-huh detective would know that but allowing people to see some of the information that you've kept from them for so long that may be the missing links to the guy that you've been looking at for years and and didn't know that that piece belong to a car that guy owned assets. That's what we gotta get that trust because there is a lack of trust with the public in law enforcement right now. I'm i'm hoping to bridge that gap yep. I know it's not going to be me alone. That does it but you know. That's what i would love to do it. So all the cases to answer questions. They all have a special place in my heart but the ones that i like the best of the ones that we solve that's awesome yeah so how there was what eight episodes the first season sixty first season but there were two hours okay and then they went to eight gosh hours because we're getting so many yeah and honestly there is some filler in the two hours because you you get more into the emotional aspect of it which is great because it's more empathetic for the audience but i liked to do the a._k._c. because again. It's still not enough but it allowed me to cover more cases in one season colin next season. It's ten or twelve. We'll see we'll see what happens. How long do you work on each each case roughly in the town there seven days leading up to its two three weeks and then for example. I did a case in pittsburgh and i just went back there a week ago and to hold a press conference because not get into all we can talk about for hours but i feel like there's the suspects in this case the persons of interest in this case case no people within the d._a.'s office and i consider myself to be a good cop. Not every cop does the right thing. I know that as doctors as bad lawyers. There's you know there's bad everybody. Everybody and i think the good cops if they really wanna be good cops and we want to rebuild that trust. We have to call out bad police tactics when we see so i flew down the pittsburgh called a press conference and called out some of the things that were going on behind the scenes when they were working with me that <hes> thought they were going to rectify <hes> they hadn't at that point and so i'm still still working a lot of the cases to answer your question and we're hoping that we have some closure in that one very soon pittsburgh cody joyce case greek ace amazing so i know you got you have a bachelor's in criminal justice and a masters in business so you went into law enforcement but then you decided to do reality tv so kind of of it tell me about that thought process for you. I know you were a fan of the show obviously which is one of the greatest players ever so. Can you say that around the very touchy just saying that's all i don't watch every season. Yours was one of the last seasons. I watched like fully like every episode. It's a commitment i mean i thought it was on five days a week. I guess three that's still you know yeah violent five days a week i mean boxer impaired is twice a week that is four hours of my life gone <music> so to commit another. You know network show three days a week. It's just kind of lot investment. So what made you want to just completely legally go out of the box. You are in and do reality t._v. I was undercover for three and a half years. When i was undercover. I really couldn't go out in public too often because i i was working a lot of cases that were pretty close to where i lived and so the the chances of running into someone who knew me as a different character was pretty hot. Oh yes pretty high so i had the guy in my pocket right now. I still carry around my undercover i._d. So i have another license a criminal history. I have a different name. I could show it together and <hes> my first name is still derek when i was on the cover but my last name was different. My social security was different. They can look up my criminal history to see the you know crimes i had committed and so i stayed home. I was kind of a recluse and i one night. I was just watching tv after dark thing came on and oh my god close circuit television who would it was this long story short. I started doing my research. Realize it's a show big brother and i remember sitting there with my wife and saying i would crush the show and she's like okay but everyone says when they watch i see shows like they would crush the wood so good if i went on it and then they go on and they're terrorists so i got undercover work. I got promoted. I was my bucket list. I had turned thirty s. I'm gonna apply one on some dorna video and see what happens. Do the video sure enough. They call. I say listen if you put me on the show. I'm gonna treat it as an undercover investigation and i'm going to see how it goes and and so they they like that idea and so it was kind of like a twist so i didn't tell them who i was and i just wanted to see how how good it would really work and i was praying it did because if it didn't i think the law enforcement forced community would eat me alive if i if i'm supposed to be this undercover cop and when they get smoked by a bunch of tornadoes started good look bad optics strategy strategy treated as an undercover operative pretend to something different i <hes> settle the parks and recreation coordinator. I was in one hundred days and i didn't. I didn't never told them who i was until on finale night when they voted and after they voted as part of the twist i stood up and said hey by the way guys. Sorry not sorry sorry but i'm leaving with the cash. That's that's something i've always wanted to do. It still one of like my life like bucket list things to not to be on b._b. No my sister that's hers. She wanted to so she we'll be twenty two next week but she always but showy saturday june twenty one she wanted to go on big brother twenty one which is right now by she had no idea where her life would be and she's working full-time and traveling the world and causing yeah. I one of the things that i've always wanted to do is to go undercover and now i'm like i'm. I'm a reality star so that would be more difficult unless i use that to my advantage like i just. I've always wanted to do something where like something with. I'd like racism or discrimination because i go to a lot of sporting events i go to disneyland in places like this and i noticed like especially like i d mario. We're like one of our friends who you know not just a tiny little white girl the way the security like will extra screen people and it pisses me off mhm like i could even bad example but i was in kentucky with one of my girlfriends and her boyfriend who's block and we both had ripped jeans on and they let me in the bar and not him and i'm like and while the because i'm a girl well it's just different and mike how's it different is it because he's a man is it because he's black like what what's the difference. We don't wanna be your fucking bar. Then by i notice is just like with the way my purse checked at disneyland and granted. I usually have some weed bends in. There's a i'm happy about the screening job but the thing is i'm like sometimes sometimes like especially like staple center like they'll just like kind of look in my bag and then just pass it through and i'm like i could have a knife in there. I have a small gun like you don't know oh and it's just like i've always wanted to do something where i go undercover in just got people of all different ages races genders and just see he like why is it that you're not screening the white girl but you're screening the block guy. Why is it. You're not you know. It's just like to be a digital something they could do. I wanna do something the how we're even like. I mean i also thought like doing like a prosthetics. There's something like say legit. Undercover could do undercover we we used to take people all the time when i was in charge the special investigations unit which was drugs guns and gangs so we did a lot of prostitution's things so what we would do is our girlfriends at the time or whatever our wives or whatever ever we would have them come in they'd have to sign some paperwork and basically they would dress really skanky. You don't wear make not wear makeup now. We're makeup like really kinda. Look trashy because listen. If you look too good that most of the guys the john's are gonna be like year right like i'm sure that one this is my lucky day and so we put him out there and and they would sit on the corner and they're all wired up and there's basically as long as there's a there's a verbal communication between the two of you where they agreed to you know i'll suck your dick for twenty bucks. They may say the amount soon as they say the amount. They're done because you can say. They always do all it's entrapment. If you say no listen hey do you wanna ride. I wanna ride for for you know. I want some head. Okay cool well. It's twenty bucks okay. Let's do it as soon as they say that we pull up behind. Get out and you to stand still in blowjobs really go for twenty bucks i. I'm not giving a fuck. I'm from it's a little different than out here l. as a little bit more high yeah i was john. Sometimes i would go after the prosecution and i had one where we did a lot of them very young for my age i got when i was twenty yeah so i would go <music> out there and he had no clue. I was a cop. I had girls get in the car but okay listen. I'll blow you for a pack of cigarettes right now. Yeah desperation and it's funny. I remember that when when i was like shit is that enough to give the code word for an arrest bartered bartered for cigarettes. Is that technically illegal. I think she might have found a loophole ma but i don't think you want to go that route. She's probably not around but i've always wanted to like you know wear wire and just like catch someone in doing some shady shit and like i'm a great actress. I know i could totally get into character and do that but w ever knows your face though so you think that's why i'm like i would either have to be doing as me but like you know like agent exactly for the government or the state. You're you're sheena but you're also double o seven eight. Whatever you wanna big. I've just i've never never been kissed came out. I'm like i want to go back to high school like i wanted to go back to but even like there's this show called. What would you do with john kenya's where they have a bunch of a hidden in camera type of show. I think it'll be so fun to where they have a bunch of hidden cameras they set up fake scenarios and then they just see how real people interact. I'm like wait. I want to be one of those actors like that. That would be so ethical dilemma blatant racism or absolutely treatment. How would that person react stepping yesterday. It's a great show. Yeah great sure i love it. I think it just came back on. I just i've always wanted to do that so i'm like i wanted to ask you about because obviously our undercover. You can't say so much but i just i think yeah county okay so they say it's like in the like hooker situation if i was a hooker and i asked someone. Are you a police officer officer. Do they have to say yes absolutely not as a question. I did a whole thing on that. You know as far as like you know. Ah when i i used to be a drug dealer all the time that was like my big role. I'd always be like you know kind of everything coke xy. We'd you name it. I was pushing kilos right well. Oh how and and the thing is they get it where it's like you have a kilo on the table and they're like all right you up. I want to try my own shit and it's like and it actually a. B. cocaine or would it be like reverse by. We're not letting them leave there with that but it's in the rain room our undercover for the d._a. Lot so it was one of those things where it was big movement. We weren't going after the nickel and dime stuff so they think by saying. Try your own shit that i'm going to say no because i'm a cop and if i do do it then there's no way can be accomplished but what they don't understand is. I can get pre approval to do that. Wow so. I'm like let's go. I really don't wanna do it but i will my hat and then it's like oh. He's straight in. Obviously we're good. Here's the thirty here's the thirty six whatever it was at the time make the exchange when they walk outside. They're getting a whole swat team immuno but that whole thing if it was that simple everyone would just say. Are you a cop over. It's not that easy. I will say that the criminals have a a lot of advantages in this but that's not one of them. You know you can't say you're yeah you got me. Sorry never mind never take. My home doesn't work like the i'm sorry for the criminals out. There are some of the advantages the criminals have in that situation so many what can they say do to test it and find out if if it's a real situation or a setup i mean it is very i wouldn't say they haven't advantages. There really isn't much. I mean honestly they would just have to do their homework and it would be involved in researching the person prior to making that deal if they're going to try to. There's no thing they can ask him. Nothing they can do. I can tell you that we are not allowed as agents of the state to allow to see a crime to occur in front of us so if you were the drug dealer and she was there and she's just a bystander that supposedly said the supplier and you put a gun to her head and i have a gun on me. I have to act okay so if i feel like you're going to kill her or hurt her. I have an obligation where if i feel i can make the difference to step in and make sure that doesn't occur okay. That's one that's one. That's one way you could get me because at that point. You're gonna put your gun at her but i'm gonna put my gun in your face so you know that's one way to give it a little bit of a standoff but other than that i mean we have to be safe like we don't have to wear wires. That's another thing you can check me for a wire ninety percent of the time i never ever wore y when i was undercover because you can put a little box in the room in the box will tell you if anybody's transmitting signal out of that room so i would refuse to wear wires. I don't wanna get. I don't want to end up in a river. Yeah yeah right so there's there's ways criminals are always evolving and then police are evolving on top of that. You know what i mean. They have wasted check background. Check criminal records. That's why we have them. Just in in case depends on how high you go on the food chain a fake criminal record online for you fake identity correct so i have an idea my idea my pocket right now that's separate from i realized the that i always keep just in case because you never know he can run into but if they had ran me before using me. They wanted to check my background. If i said yeah had an assault in massachusetts they would. Let's see that on your record for your fake. Identity was nothing crazy use petty shit. It was like you know a couple of salts. You know couple possession charges crazy because otherwise is it'd be okay so he should have been imprisoned for that and now it's like well. Did you know so and so in d block and now it's like fuck. I don't know block so i'm in trouble so it was all petty shit but it was enough that they knew i wasn't i can handle myself. I was legit. I was legit. Wow that's so interesting aw what she goes. I love that no literally like one of the things like especially are going to palm springs and stuff sometimes. It'll just be her dan. I just bought a house out there. Thank you but like there's like midnights or we just sit at home. Just the two of us is put on investigation discovery and just watch all of these like like murder mystery into the amanda knox trial which i love. There's so many there's so many i wanna say good ones but there's so many mysteries other people love a good mystery really do it sucks because a lot of reality but america loves a good mystery. They'd like to be armchair detectives and kind of go along with it and and try to figure it out themselves have researched the o._j. Simpson case trial had a special yeah yeah what are your what are your thoughts on it but i mean more for specific and that it's interesting because i was out here for a meeting regarding that because to summarize there was a guy who basically believed that jason simpson his son had had had killed nicole and o._j. Was covering for him. <hes> so the show is called is o._j. Innocent and spoiler alert. He's not innocent. As far as i'm concerned i in a more importantly. I believe i was able to disprove this theory. This guy wrote a book on it and everything that jason did it and i was able to disprove it by going back to a time. I'm carl that jason had in finding the company that created the time <hes> the time machine that they use it the time to clock in and out <hes> so ruled him out but we did come to the conclusion that based based on the facts and circumstances. I do believe there. Was someone else with him. I don't know how involved they were but he was how deep you want to go into this but basically the he was in his yard his yard rockingham. He was getting ready to go on a plane to chicago for a commercial or something and it's been proven that he was out in his yard with the suitcases is ready to get picked up by a limo for his flight. He was chipping golf balls. He wasn't planning on going anywhere. He was outside just waiting for the limo to show up and then all of a sudden <hes> he ends up at nicole's condo which wasn't far away but something to me happened in that moment where he decided that i gotta go confront nicole right now so to me he someone came to him and said something that fired him up and he said this is something that needs to be addressed now and what gives more credence to that as there's a book that came out called if i did it right. It was originally titled. I did it but they changed it for legal reasons yeah in that damning to come out and say i in and there's a lot more to it. <hes> <hes> ron goldman's family got involved sued and they got the right to the book proceeds etc so that's why they changed the title. If you read if you haven't read it. I have not been phenomenal in the book o._j. Tells pablo feathers who wrote the book <hes> <hes> well if i did it you know i couldn't have done it alone right but here's what happens. I interviewed pablo and he said during that interview every moment o._j. Kept going in and out of like first person and hypothetical in like action like it sounded like he was just regurgitating what he remembered right and he's like you know. Let's just call this person charlie but if i did did it charlie came to my house told me something i didn't like and i said you know what fuck that. We're going to our house right now. Then you're coming with me because if it ain't true it's your ass. I charlie was like no no no wait. Let's just wait but they went over there and when they showed up not expecting to see you know ron ron there and that's that's when it went down and it's so funny because it's not funny. I shouldn't say that it all comes back to a pair of glasses. Behalf nicole hadn't dropped her glasses at over there and yet and and so when o._j. Shows up at that exact moment. This is what caused this all transpire and from what the book says the reason o._j. Knew that iran had been there before. Was that kato their dog. They had a dog named key does an akita. They need to cato because it was lazy. After kato kaylin the dog came out and it was a violent dog it came out and started wagging its tail when it saw ron goldman and that was the indicated a allegedly that he knew he had been there before he was very possessive. Allegedly so is ron had slept nicole or been over there before no no proof of it. I mean you know you can make your own assumptions options. I would never i don't know how could i know that she was dressed. A certain way and there was allegedly there was music and candles and <hes> wrangle mood extremely attractive guy yeah and <hes> mccoll was extremely attractive as well and she was single. You know i mean o._j. Won this case needed to like. He didn't want to be with her but he was. He wanted to be whether but he also wanted to see other women so i do believe someone went with them. I really do believe someone went over there with them. Because there was something he someone told him at that moment where he was like. Fuck the flight. I'm going over there right now. Wow and that's why when he went back to allegedly again we gotta keep saying this is all right and when he went back to rockingham you know the limo driver who i interviewed allegedly saw aw man run into the house and in two seconds later the lights came on and o._j. Comes to the door and goes. Oh give me a couple of minutes. I'm running a little late. You know so and his bags were already outside too so much uh-huh but i don't i don't he could have done it alone easily but the question is why in that moment it wasn't premeditated. He would have set it up better. You wouldn't have had a flight something in that moment whatever it was another another man there's some other things i won't say that it could have been that we came up across <hes> that made him wanna go over at that very moment and unfortunately ron was just just just happened to be the wrong place sometime. That's so sad. How old are you hold you think i am. I thought we were about the same age thirty four okay so we were saying same age but like i remember i think so. What was it like. It was sixth grade. I was definitely in junior high when the trials were going on and i just remember sitting in class and it was the only way that we didn't have to do any work. They'll just watched. Yup died so like being so young as a kid in the now. It's your adult life to be able to investigation bernard. You're nine hours ten and that's another. I got a lot of criticism there like you were ten years old when that happened. I'm like that's why. I should be doing it because i have no preconceived notions. I have no incentive either way. If i think one way or call if i use the other the other and i came in and treated as my own case we get to talk all the lead detectives and yeah no. I definitely it's a crazy case. It's a crazy kidding. Something solved. No one should criticize held or who is looking at all by now so let's get l._a._p._d. They're they're like this case is solved. You call them and you say so. What about bill like listen at soft. Just the guy just wasn't convicted. You know as far as they're concerned. They got the guy he was the only one there and in the dna supported that but unfortunately due to you know certain things mark we can get an all that there were things where the lawyers the defense attorney did enough to prove you know some doubt put some doubt in the jury's minds and totally be cleared him and he can never be charged again. No matter what happens he could come microphone right right now and say i did it and guess what fuck is our judicial system that shit. I mean that's my problem. This is my problem. It's not there shouldn't be like it should be like a game like up. Got away with it once. Get john came in here and said i like okay you then you go to jail sense. It's but there's loopholes and this sometimes it's a love hate relationship lawyers because lawyers don't always you know both sides they use the loopholes and technicalities awesome to win right because the laws are not written perfectly and so they can use those technicalities to win if they're really good and i've been in cases that i've lost where i've known i was right but because of a technicality in the way the law is written and how it's interpreted by the court <hes> you lose can't leave any reasonable doubt that's i mean even even just it's like you know the way you can find a certain piece of evidence but it's like if you didn't go about it the right way leg like absolutely absolutely in again. It's not a legally but then if they're able to prove your your credibility in any way could be conjecture but just something that's a colonel in the jury's mind doesn't have to be proven but now that it's there it could grow into something and if they don't believe you even though they believe the evidence they made count that evidence and then for the person walks sell so crazy jury duty or sat on a jury no and i have never been asked to. I don't even know if i can say you i've ever been asked to but i know if the first day i got out there and say what did you do for a career hit. The defense attorney like you never happened. Did you ever watch. There's there's show with sasha baron cohen who is america the episode with o._j. Who who do the interview. I'm all interviewed someone. Nobody no it was him and o._j. Oh yeah so it's like literally. The two of them like in like a hotel room. I forget. He said he was like i don't know like french photographer. Whatever it was he had like five five different characters. He played on this show and there was like a chicken there like that he had and then it's like him and o._j. Keeps making all of these jokes and just like you so i wanna take take a stab at it. Do you remember just like seeing my kids reactions and stuff. It's like an sky not crazy yeah. He went to prison for a little bit after the robbery time. How long was in there ten years or less longer than we got three. I know we got thirty three years. How many served but they they threw the book. Atom and some people believe that was because they felt he got off in l. a. again off here i know he got like thirty three years but he didn't do. I they do this attitude. I forget what he stood in front of a judge or something where they aired <hes> his speech to him and he dodged all responsibility for everything looking yeah no listen if you did it or he did. He's on twitter now if he asked which is crazy because he's like almost illiterate. Have you seen some of his letters and stuff that he's written. I mean i've seen some of the letters zero yes being a u._s._c. grad. I mean he cannot spell his know grammar any meaning as an athlete still still really fucking good one. I mean let's be honest. He's one of the best running back in time so yeah. I mean he did his thing but he's got some balls. You got some balls because whether he did it or not tweeted back out. I'm not gonna treat me but maybe he he's got some. Never now i would just i would just go away if your family's been through so much children have been through so much i yeah you got away with it congrats away. If you didn't do it congratulations you're out now. Go away yes you don't care about your opinion and honestly again whole different fat but the media everyone they play into it. You give him a voice bank on it. We're on this podcast right now. He's going to have a podcast or a show. Oh for sure. Thank thank on it. I mean there've been so many shows about half way and he was an actor as well. It's happening someone's going to say i'm biting the bullet. Let's give o._j. Reality show yeah and guess what people are gonna fuck watch yeah verified accounts of the more you tweet at other verified accounts. They're usually bound to see it and respond. I don't say very nice. Things tweeted them jay up when i was four years old my so i was one thousand four that the murder happened with o._j. Nine hundred ninety seven. I thought utah ninety two 'cause i was in. I know i was in junior high when the trial was so. I don't remember when the murder happened but i skipped a grade. Ninety six to ninety eight was on the trial was i think the murder happened in ninety four which i was four or five around that time time my mom was obsessed could not stop watching all of that so then when we came to visit <hes> my aunt and uncle here in california when i was five years old. My mom made my grandma tribe o._j. Simpson's house and i have a picture with my mom in his way of unlike this little girl. I have no idea where we are and it's my mom and i in o._j. Simpson's driveway and i i think my mom still lives newspaper june twelfth nineteen ninety-four yeah yeah no it's crazy. I went through the house the house nicole simpson's house. It's eerie because it's very similar sto envision like what went down there the the corridor still there. It's <hes> his house. They knocked down right. They knocked out or they change it slightly but it's still still got the same kind of lay out the same wall but it is very different than what it was because they obviously nobody really wanted it. The way it was. Nicole's house is very very similarly changed the front so people wouldn't recognize it all the time but people don't wanna go try to that person. Yes absolutely i've driven around. Do you follow the robert. I case at all the billionaire from new york i know the name of all accused had murdered what they think allegedly murdered his wife in the seventies his his friend who knew about his wife's murder in the nineties and then to other people and they think maybe even more than that route it but he was like a billionaire a family and i watched his case he had this show on h._b._o. Called the jinx about his whole case but i've driven past every place that has a like a spot. Where do you guys think about out here. Once upon a time in hollywood i haven't seen it so i just side. I did go to a very late showing and i was a little tired thirty minutes. I missed missed thirty minutes. No i need to see it again. Because i want to go. We saw like an eleven o'clock show and i had no idea it was a three hour movie a around like one am and mike kind of nodding awful at all so i wanna see it again before i make a full assessment yeah no i mean and in clinton during dino i mean so i was i was with the creator of csi anthony's acre and we were talking about it yesterday and and i think he's a genius yeah and he was like derek. That's some of the best writing i've ever seen in my lab credible. It was absolutely genius away. He did it and the little the little you you gotta. I don't want to spoil it for anybody. Who's listening but it's incredible and it has a great story. Ed aggressive greet message at the end yeah totally agree. I definitely i saw the n._f._l. The beginning there's a a little bit and between that i miss it. I'm like this is the problem with the marina del rey like the a._m._c. <hes>. They have like a dine in theater so it's like full dinner alcohol recliner chairs. You just got wait perfect time. I arose as i always do hit my we'd band before moving different different zone couple of drinks and and then i was like shit. I've been so excited to see this movie so i just need to see it again. Reagan dimming most good movies more than one time got. You can't sit through movies a._d._d. Too bad this movie yeah elegant told it was basically true story except for the you know the n._h._l. But it's based on a true story charles. It's a great move. I want to see it because they were filming it and when i lived in hollywood so they had closed down the street and the store fronts <hes> for it yeah and and so i saw i drove passed it and saw them change all of the hollywood stuff yeah but now i want to see the incredible br they all killed it on the actors and actresses they killed yeah. I i mean it's like margot robbie brad pitt on fire. You know it's a home run for sure and i love the the message at the end for the family that would watching watch it as family and stuff. It's is it doesn't always end in a good way but storytelling you can still have a great movie and not sensationalized. Someone's tragic stuff and and it's i think it's i hope it's the thing that happens more in the future credible like damn that that ending the holy show was that was that was quentin tarantino's eighteen hundred in there yeah to get in there if it wasn't in there wouldn't be an avid even just like the girl going crazy. I mean i would kill it up. Uh-huh scott again i should about movie theaters movies as far as who wins awards but like that movie should win like like every be nominated for sure incredible okay. Do you follow the jon benet ramsey case at all. Do you think held her careful because multiple people have already been sued for that one and i go on dr ocelot and cover these cases. <hes> and i saw the special when they did it with the c._b._s. And they think the the the brother up burke killed him but there's people who also think there was an older brother who could have been involved interest for you. Listen you have to be i haven't worked the case personally so believing conjecture but it it could be there could be some random transient and it just it's easy to point to a sibling or someone who had immediate access and and in fact it was someone who is the groundskeeper really quick story. We we just had a colleague work as a cold case from one thousand nine hundred in rhode island. We all thought that it was either a parent or a brother or sister all these years. She went to convenience store. She would disappear found days later in a river. She was dead fast forward to about a month ago. There was blood in underwear. We couldn't really connect with anybody. Some person submit some dna for an ancestry thing it connects back to one of his relatives come to find out that relatives blood matches. The blood found in this girl christine coal. You can look it up. Okay the matches your underwear come to find out. This guy had zero connection to christine cole. He just happened to be living above the convenience store at the time when she went there but you never would. Nobody nobody working. This case thought that so you know what i mean like it's easy to point to the people that that are involved in our life and and in most cases that is the situation that something and like that the ramsey family could have just been in a really bad situation but most people most experts who have worked at do believe. There's a family connection but there's been not enough to prove that in court so as right now you're innocent until so tell me a little more about your book undercover ever ads. Which is something a copy of you. I'm terrible at reading. I have about fifteen communist. Send it to you but she's like yes and goal okay. We all read it. I read. I have not home but no it's just for me like again just with the big brother like like watching multiple days a week. It's like my attention span. When it comes to reading. I need to just be like hyper focused and i don't read a lot of books but a lot of my listeners do like reading books audible and all that so if they don't want to buy the book that something like did you always want to be a writer. Write a book or does she. We know you know something. It was a bucket list thing. I have two daughters and you know i'm bein by no means like a scholar. You know so something where i just basically wanted to prove proved that i could do. It and i thought there was a mess. I didn't wanna just write it because i was on television or whatever so i decided you know. Everybody asked me how i won. Big brother and it wasn't like a strategy for the game undercover covers skills and techniques to interview interrogation skills that i learned from the f. b. i. d. e. yeah to be successful so i basically incorporated those undercover skills with my a business degree and translated into some type of approach that anybody can use whether it's in business whether it's relationships to learn mannerisms about the people we're speaking with so you can develop stronger personal and business relationships. It's really something for everyone but again. It's kind of a self help book. It's you know there's some stories about my passing yeah. I was in a shooting how i overcame techniques things like that so maybe it's for someone to maybe it isn't a i'm happy i wrote it. I dedicated to my daughters so it's one of those things it's timeless gone. The book will still be here and that's why i did. How old are your daughters six six three yeah so i'm in trouble definitely definitely i wanna get into some big brother stuff so you do. Have you ever seen the show i have seen pieces of it and i know people who are on it currently right so i i want to get into that but everybody knows everybody on this last night. I know so i wanted to ask you more about that. Okay so you are locked in his house for what ninety days days depends from us ninety seven this house. I believe it's going to be ninety nine. Wow do you ever remember because back when i used to watch it. I remember sometimes like you would get a leave the house and go on like a movie premiere things like do they still do those type of things. Sometimes it's a perk like an american perk happen. Every season my season a couple of house just got to go to the dallas cowboys training camp but for the most part you do not leave that house yeah. This is a medical emergency. You're stuck there unless you either get evicted or yourself evect act. What if you wanted like a spot like sasha's at the house like canadian sometimes like perks or incentives like if you win a comp yeah for the most part in the house is not big. It looks big on t._v. But it's not big and it's designed that way into break you toil please call finder giveaway. We need to buy the big brother. People give them one zero on the show holly jackson. Should we try to get a hold of them. Scape them for spotty. I know right no clean. That's like one of the one of janet nice favorite things to do. Is we have our spa. Days isn't it. I mean first of all. I don't think i could ever be locked away for that long. Without my phone like we need. 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I i think so okay so going back to that so we know holly and jackson won't say who but but holly nyerere eskimo sisters so this conversation so he knows who we're not going to go there but no i've never been like really warm and cuddly with her like this is how i might use awkward and like we have a similar sweet. She was okay show. Oh she's she's. She's one of them more lighthouse in different. Have you seen the before and after photos from her facebook. No no no i'm saying i don't know the same person it because i only know her looking like this really pretty brunette remember. We were looking through my old photos like you. That's nice people just putting these photos alec. That's it's not her. I think that is her and i just had a comment on my end. I haven't seen beautiful before beautiful of logic absolute cordial. Every single girl in that house is yes. Everyone's beautiful okay so jackson aka mickey. I've never met him january. No i never met okay yeah he is. He's from tennessee nashville. <hes> in the okay. I've only met jackson a handful of times <hes> he used to before he went on the show lived with <hes> someone. I'm not friends with anymore. Juicy its the but the one thing i know about jackson's he. I've never seen anybody that eats more than he does do claim to fame in the house staying all he does is. I want over there one morning and <hes> i was picking up his roommate and we were going out to breakfast and he his post meets guy was bringing in his food. As i was walking through the front door are and he got six breakfast meals from denny's and four milkshakes and pancakes french toast like an omelet like and they all had like hash browns and sides like fruit and stuff and he ate all of it then later went to chick-fil-a and got like forty dollars of chick-fil-a and then had four large pizzas pizzas for dinner and do. Have you seen him lately. He's shredded. He's absolutely he's getting a little way in the house now because everybody does but he he came in the house i um yeah i did it but he he has to between ten and twenty thousand calories a day. He's shredded are him and holly acting like they don't know each other because literally like we. We have the same mutual friends ever met. I've never seen them in the same room together as even if they didn't sheena last is. It's not a secret. They're sleeping together in the house. <hes> i'm not telling anybody anybody. They don't already know. I'm trying to think so we are they. I'm trying to think who there's a roundabout way that they're kind of eskimo. Sister sister and brother already got a better way. I got a better way. There's a girl in the house named cat and the first week in the house allegedly her mickey slept with cat and cat and holly know each other outside the house they had familiarity. We're talking about this right. Pageants foot mickey broke things off with cat in the house and said they could just be like friends and and then he started a relationship with holly but holly cat in the house are like good for the cooler air to three of them like getting so you guys can't see right now but i'm getting these looks something they may have may or may not have experienced thanks. I've said i have never let a guy get between us. They've just been between. We've been escrow sisters many times over. We're always really cool about it. We ask permission first and there's been times where we've said. No anti-israeli enticed said yes. There have been times where i refer one to hers gave cover off guys who don't cut it just carrying yeah. Who do you think this season is playing the smartest game and if you were in the house who would you align with <hes>. This season is very weak gameplay wise. It's very weak gameplay wise tommy's plane a pretty good game. There's a couple of outsiders that i would like to see make it to the end cliff. Nicole jess us <hes> even cat to an extent although she's not i. I don't think she's playing a great game but the level of gameplay in comparison to like last season. It's not there's no a comparison so it's the bar has kind of been set low for what's good game play but based on what i've seen so far although it could change on a dime this house. I say tommy's playing the best game. He's got got a good chance but they all they're all running around like chickens with their heads cut off so it's really anybody i honestly do not know who's gonna win. They have left at this point. I think they've you've been in like forty six days to halfway. They decide. They're halfway part of an k. Would you go back into the house ever been asked about it. I've been asked about about it from production. I don't know if it would ever logistically come together because a lot of players who would deserve the opportunity to go back and have moved on with their lives. They have families. They have kids. I wouldn't end the first time my daughter was eighteen months old. Now i have two daughters and if i'm out here for a week and i was facetime and her before i walked in here so because they're on the east coast so it's something we're i it would be selfish of me to go in you know and i've been asked to do other shows you have like the race and stuff where your approach and it's like you know when you have children. It's different different about them more than myself and i went in there. I had a bucket list achieved. My goal would also have to prove so i. I never never say never because if they said hey we're going to put the best players in there. The competitor to me would be like well. Fuck it. Let's see who's the best but i don't think they would ever do that because you know you're you're. You've been on television while longer than me. They're going to put people in there that are good at the game but also very entertaining just not the same thing so i don't want to be in there with the people who are just getting drunk and acting stupid. That's it's not that's not me. You're there to win to win. That's going to take away from the strategy of the game so i'm boring. They're entertaining so more than likely you'd see balance. Yeah yeah yeah yeah so probably not. Are you still friends with anyone from your season. We were talking about single. Cody is with kodia now. I don't think so. How does that referral program <hes> he's he's. He's in a believe longer than a year now and they are are very happy together. They're very happy together. <hes> i've met her beautiful girl and she's made him a better person so yeah. He's happily tied up <hes> <hes> but we're still very close. Mike my daughter's call him uncle cody. I'm close with a lot of the other houseguests as well. <hes> frankie whose area days brother were still oh closed caleb. I'm so close with all of them together. It's tough though because we're all throughout the country we still talk. We had a very good cast no real drama no real not articles. Also you know yeah so things worked out well on my season. I think that's why people gravitated towards our season. We played the game. I loved the game but we kept it. We kept it in perspective that it was just a game came in some loss in a lot. What do you think about the racist comments that jack had made like. Do you think that they were taken out of context where you would ask me okay my mom on. It's okay here's my here's my thing a lot of what was shown by julie the night like she called him out on national atv yeah and when she when you show those those comments in in that context they look racist simple and maybe they are but i haven't watched enough to know what his mindset instead is behind it. I will say this. I don't wonder where your mom thought about it but he had like great answers like perfect answers to he was able to explain everything for a guy who didn't know it was coming. He explained everything very well but again personally. I wouldn't say those things so for me there uncalled for he had the explanation for it. I was in there so i can put my money where my mouth is. I was never accused of any of that. So if you're gonna say those things no. There's gonna be consequences whether you meant it that way or not. You're on national television twenty four seven but what happens is if you have these biases. You have this unconscious bias. It's going to come out there whether you wanted to or not so i don't know the guy well enough to know what his what he feels about certain races or religions i didn't liked those things were said. I'll i'll go a step further to your mom. There's a guy nick in the house who you made a comment about who is a person of color but also whether she's a person of color or not you know he basically said no. I'm going to spit in that girl's face and you know and to me that doc gets punched in the mouth again someone with two daughters and i see that on your show <hes> a lot of listeners and i've said it on twitter i would tell them to his face yeah so that to me bothers me more the because that's not taken out of context right. I wanna spit in her face counterweight s._o. You're you're. You're a douche yeah douching so i've said it publicly a couple of times. I don't like them. Yeah that bothers me because there's no way to misinterpret that do you think jackson is kind of a jewish and always been kind of rueda some of the girls in the house. He's again. The people have strong opinions. Watch the feeds because i don't have enough time to watch all that because i have have two children so it's so it's it's i do watch some of it. I do catch feeds sometimes but again the people who are seeing these things and grabbing them. I know he's made some comments that off off. Put people yeah and again at the end of the day he will be judged when he gets out a simple m._a. Sister wanted to know what your thoughts were on the eight the nine and then six person alliance i mean that was one of the worst big aligns like nobody likes big alliances but that was like the most the weakest big alliance. I've ever seen like they were fractured. The minute they form like we we got a big alliance. She knows this and we crushed it. Yeah we went to eat and then we went to six but only because we had nobody else to go after and so we were very strong group and we didn't and break with this group the first week they got together. They were talking shit about each other so you knew the loyalty wasn't there and that's why they're down to like. Are they even forty more they might be. Maybe yeah they're not very there. I think it was called grateful when it was eight with mark eat green. L. won't be it won't do you remember this is for sure right persistent. Go on. I know i mean she really wanted to but she was just like oh my god i'm so glad i didn't on season twenty one because just kinda kinda lame this year but she just has such an incredible job right now that she could not take even a month off. Let alone potentially mostly the problem to get good quality contestants so i can just leave whatever they're doing for three months. Yeah i think of eventually she'll do it. She's watching that show her entire life. I remember being rain at a game like high school football game and i was cheerleading and it was the first season and i remember like during a little break after touchdown or something i ran to the mom who one big brother who wanted to be crazy. Show long. It's been on. I remember meeting your sister. She was like dude. This season was awesome. Yeah it is a cool show people that you can meet people in all of a sudden. They're like big brother. No matter if you personally instant connection totally yeah brother definitely <hes> so when when you pulled up and we saw you what what kind of janet out of fun story har- you've been f- tape is your i love those huge lana del rey fan and she did all of their commercials when they released the f. tape years ago and then it was all in her music video so when i moved out here i wanted one so i rented one for a day or two and <hes> i parked it on my street one night and i woke up the next morning in somebody's sized publications right now. That's my biggest if you're walmart because it's not my car so i got to pay for a big chunk of the car and then get back and not get it which was not fun car car so fun to drives so she took it up through the hills and just was like always a speed limit of course like shorts your sixty five miles an hour. That thing is awesome. Yeah maybe one day five time. I was like nah. I'm not paying thousands of dollars to repair this car. Give it back and then buying gotta hook up out here. They took care of me. They want you have a nice car and so you know janet and our friends are gonna trade in your car sela commerical truck. You could get your lawn del ray dream car honestly not that expensive. I know but the iowa but honestly it's not that practical either like i got to tell you the it's small all cedar cedar and i'll say i needed the basketball so you can you can <unk>. Have your transport something you have it yeah. We have one car that karmic backpack in there that's about. I know it's a good did wendy zip around though jeep and look into your love your car. I love both of them. I need to get it re wrapped picking out now. It's starting starting to come up. Come off a little bit but have you ever heard of truecar truecar yeah so it's where you can find out what your car's worth earth and then you can sell her traded and you're just like your license plate number and all the details of your car just pop up like answer a few questions navigation moon roof and all of that so it's thank you already knew what it was going to cost. You know how much it's going to ding your wallet c complaint ahead. That's awesome <hes> and once you're finished. You'll get a cash offer sat in minutes. Would you can take to a local certified dealer order cash-out region so i need to look into janet jaguar. F. type is calling your name yeah so they're calling renamed for awhile now. If you want to get it we know just check out truecar but the cash offer is not available in all areas yeah okay so so how everyone where they can find you your show your book all okay. Wow twitter derek l. d. e. <music> r. I c k derek l. and <hes> my instagram's derek vassar. You can look at my last name if you guys can just go on each other. The books called the undercover edge. It's like turning detective skills into life practices that you can use in everyday social in business and it's an audio book so they could listen jags. Check it out. I should check into the hardcover did really well. We were bestseller. I don't know about the audience. I'm assuming coming into jackson. Cash and then breaking homicide just just just ended so but if you want on demand you can go online. I can go on. I d go check it out. Who all that good stuff and watch dr oz. You probably see me on their gang. Maybe bandra pump probably well. We know rob seasoning guys. I've hung out with you. Guys and you guys are beast. That says tom arianna peter awesome and i'm a fan i was a fan of interpol watching it religiously and they were all great and i'm not saying because we're sitting here like you said it last night after after dinner. You guys have all genuine people you know there's always edits on shows but even though you guys have been on t._v. For so long it's still down to earth talk to people. That's a great attribute so kudos. Do you still a fight and hate each other. There might be a murder but that's why the show last night yeah right. It's not bullshit so there are some funny i saw him at serwa also had like this event that i needed to show up for what natalie owner of sir did not give me many details for this event. She just asked if i was available from seven to nine omega derek's going to be there the exact same time like that's perfect. I can do both at the same time so she was like these women from beauty con their in town. They just would really love to meet you. Take some photos. I'm like all right awesome so we had you know our finale monday night the two year one near tom university tom and <hes> so i wait for the beauty cotton because you thought it was love yes. I'm still brain so so we had that party monday night and then tuesday. I'm just like okay wait. Why did i agree to do you this trying to get dressed. I'm looking around and i'm just like sometimes i just pick up the first thing i find on the floor of the first thing i see in my closet and i was like ooh this. This draws is it's like it's like a see through mash like kim k. or something like that have wanted on a carpet before but i'm like this isn't like a red carpet events. I totally repeat this outfit. It's very like she can trying to. I'm thinking it'd be like a bunch of like carly bible type of girls at the event own in and out it was a toddlers and tiaras of and so their children they're taking photos. I look like a whole she goes. Oh my god look what i'm wearing. In china. I post my body to the side and covered because it's so see through you see my lacy bra. I would thought i was meeting women. In their mid twenty s thirties like beauty experts. No if i was like i've never been so uncomfortable more embarrassed jacket i can and i asked my friend brought to bring me but he's like we're still at tom. Tom and i'm like i need the jacket at sir. <hes> no. I did my job. I took photos at all. I'm gonna look tag auto tag photos and by the mom lung issues like obviously if you're going to be in new york for fashion week like would love to have you come to some of our events and this and that and i'm like okay awesome sounds great but i just thought it was so fun because like after i saw him right away and i'll think oh my god i have to tell you sir change the laws like ten and twelve year old series. I had to take one hundred and fifty photos rest like this and like yeah i had to alter the elephants would covered as much as yeah but they were all happy. They were self. You walked up tom tom after and everything damn you look so good. Love that dramatic resume yeah see that's the thought i was going to something where people would say that. She thirteen are rated. God's not the yeah but it was like a group of these. I mean literally we'd like. They were like the zombie looking girls like drop dead gorgeous pageant girl perfect braids diamonds like they all were like stunning range older and and i guess it's like a group of like a aspiring models and actresses and so they brought him all the beauty gone and then they want to bring him to mike yeah. I just did not have the the details so it's amazing. Not just proper was still very happy. Yeah i think so but anyways while this is fun impromptu just like having a drink and she's like you want to do a podcast tomorrow might yeah. 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Premeditated Podcast

One Crazy Story with Nate Armbruster

15:58 min | 1 year ago

Premeditated Podcast

"A sign the other day that said for sale by owner well who else will be selling it. Hello hello everybody out there and internet land how you do it. I made armbruster. This is one crazy story and it's another day another episode. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being <hes> being wherever you're at so here we go another episode going to be honest with you. It's <hes> the night before and posting posting this so. It's kind of late and <hes>. I can't say that a month prepared but i don't know what the hell i'm gonna talk about. Actually so i went to the notes app in my phone phone which i have <hes> i have like three running three or four running notes that just i've been piling up over the years and they're just analysts of just stupid thoughts some of them you know kind of interesting some of them <hes> late night drunk and you know rance virgin thoughts that i think are funny in the neighboring state that i'm in and then <hes> i read them the next day and <hes> they make no sense at all so plenty of those types of thoughts but then some of them are actually <hes>. It's almost like writing way. Just kind of do am going about my day. I think something funny and i write it down. I don't have a pen so i put it in the notes app and this shit just piles up. Sometimes i go back and read it just to get bummed out or or something else is go back and you know look look at this silly shit that i come up with. It doesn't make any none of it's really even that good i mean i don't know it's just like half baked. Ideas undeveloped jokes just little. I don't know sometimes i read this shit and go. Why the hell do i do this. What if i just gone to school and you know got a real fucking job week. 'cause i can't truly i mean i'm sure anybody would say this but i can't can't really imagine doing anything else in. I've done this so law that it's the only thing i feel even qualified to do doing anything else would be starting over our lake starting a whole new life. You know what i mean like. If i wanna learn to go to a trade school or be an electron sure i can do it and sure i'm young and i know realistically. It's like a whole life ahead of me but god damn it like. I have no desire to do that. I just want to make this thing work. You know and that's the most frustrating in part of sometimes it's just not you know and that's the kind of parts like what the fuck do i do and i know people who are like my parents age who i've been opening for for for years and they're just corner. They're like this is all. I got mannequin. I can't quit. I don't even doing anymore and i can't. I can quit because what else am. I going to do sound like they have have a college degree or work experience. That's the other thing. I wanted to get a day job like a real day job right like something worth quitting stand up for financial leila with benefits good paying gig <hes> brings in some decent money. You know career position somewhere. What am i going to do. Last eleven years of my life just been driving around being a shit like you know what i mean and you can spin comedy on a resume one of two ways right you can go into a job interview and you can tell them like oh yeah. I've done comedy last you know ten eleven years and you know here's how it's made me. Here's how it's made me a an employable person like a good at sales thinking on my feet funny. I'm good at improv fun to be be around. I'm good with other people. You know you can make it. You can dress it up like that but you know how it reads to anyone in any professional setting is will this guy's guys just addiction. You know he's just he's just jokester can't take anything serious. You know like it's and that's the most annoying part but all comics. I think would agree agree that like once you get the bug to do it. You gotta do it. You can't not do it even if you do quit and get a job and raise a family like you're still gonna wanna do it. Maybe will do a once in a while but you still have to do it. It's really it's like a drug. It truly is weird but sometimes i wish i just got bitten by another a buck. You know like why couldn't have just been into law now that that seems like the most fulfilling or fun environment work in its he was very high stress and and maybe <hes> you know i don't know it's just you know it's not always good situations you. You know you're you're. You're fucking lawyer sometimes he. I mean sure you can really do good work and like maybe make a positive impact. So if that's what gets you going but like you're in a courtroom i dunno. It just seems like toxic to me but i know people who are like him. Ever since i was twelve i wanted to be a lawyer. No reason just was an interest of mine so i started reading on what school for there's at least the ladder. You can climb a like. Do this get this. Do this get this. Do this get this. You know that there's like at least a route for you and you know you no where you can end up. You know what i mean not that it's easy said and done you know not that it's promised but you definitely know you have a path. You have a career your path that you can kind of go on and the money's not bad was going to be wrong. The student loan debt. Is you know another thing but also if you like like being a lawyer you can do that. Shit till the day you die. There's plenty of that and i feel like the older you get the better you get at it kind of like comedy. I think it's just more of the frustrations of <hes> trying to make a work is the hardest part you know financially. It's easy to get caught up in. It's annoying by the way lawyers. You've wonder her. What it takes for someone to be like yeah. I wanna be a defense lawyer who think of what it would take for someone to be a defense lawyer now. I know what a perfect world every not. Every one of them is guilty but a lot of them probably. Are you know what i mean. I think that like in a perfect world the defense lawyer should be able able to defend someone who is innocent <hes> and shouldn't be you know what i mean like. That's like the ideal situation right like this. The you're doing good work man. You're keeping this innocent person outer jail really get a lot of cases. It's like no. I can probably guilty right was wondering that about like o._j.'s lawyer royer say okay. You have to tell me what exactly happened right because that's how we're going to figure out how to get you the best deal. You're pretty much negotiating. What kind of deal you're gonna get. She's fascinating thing to me. I don't know if i would be able to do it truly if i knew my client killed somebody if i knew he was guilty. I'd have to stand up there and like come up with the case like i don't know he's he's innocent. He wasn't even there the night that person debt. I don't know if that's how it works in the courtroom boardroom but i have to say that in front of judge jury and like p. n. Just people that in some cases like o._j.'s case. It's a national events he he was such a big cultural laid still talked about today frequently and also jason twitter so that's another thing also by the way premeditated murder is not the weirdest sounding crime like the weirdest way to say it like yeah. I i know what they mean like. You know you you plotted murder and i guess that's what they're saying but premeditated makes it sound so weird you kill that guy. Yeah meditated out. I you know then you have different degrees of murder like first degree second degree. I'm just glad i could never kill someone like sometimes as you look at people and i guess really is depends on the situation right but you know sometimes i just think like could i know i just couldn't believe i don't know what i would do. They a lotta people carry a gun for protection right. That's their argument is liquid. Self-defense makes sense. I understand why somebody would want to do that but i also think like. If i i know myself in like i know my ability outside of having a gun you know like i know my ability unarmed in. It's not very good like if somebody tried to rob me. They're gonna i i would lose a fight. You know what i mean like if somebody was were jumping me or something. I don't know luckily it's never happen so i don't know but like i. I would think that i don't know i don't know if i would. I don't know how to fight. I don't know if i can defend myself so yeah sure having a gun might sound appealing but then i think like if i had a gun on me and our walking on the street and somebody tried to rob me. I know that i'm so incapable of of i am so not capable of getting to that gun. I like they would definitely beat me to it and i would end up getting shot with my own gun. I guarantee you. That's how how that will go down and i will look like a moron out feeling anybody got a new. I shouldn't have fucking gotten that gun and then i was thinking like oh i could carry a knife but now hell no that wouldn't have even worse because the same thing would happen for as well that i would get to the knife before me and stabbing to death and then the on the other hand if i beat them to it. I don't know if i would have the. I don't know if i would have it in me to stab. Somebody stabbings a little more like personal. You know you just gotta echo weird. I don't know if i could do it. I think i would just have to die. He has ever wonder what crime you would commit. If you knew you could get away with it like of anything where it's like. You knew you'd get away with it and you didn't really in. You got away with it. That's it. You just got away with it happily ever after right. This is this. Should i think about while you guys work i think about i don't know i i don't know if it definitely wouldn't be like violent crime right because even in a perfect world there's no even in in a situation where i knew i could get away with it and there'd be no harm. Madan like my life wouldn't be affected by it now. I wouldn't go to jail. I wouldn't get in trouble i wouldn't i wouldn't even see charges right murder. It's such a waste. It's such a waste of this is to violent. It's fucked up. I couldn't imagine taking somebody's life which is a good thing right like. Don't you love wants. Who's <hes> couldn't imagine <hes> committing murder. You know i couldn't imagine murdering. Bring somebody yeah. You shouldn't be able to because if good maybe let's <hes> i dunno cease to see a therapist or something i think i think it just theft for for me like i'd like you know rob a bank but not even out of the gun point or anything like that just somehow digitally like in this scenario. I i just know how to a hack and i just transferred millions into my account and no one ever knows something like that. I think it's i think it was a safe one right because who get who gets hurt banks are insured. They get that money. It's fine also fuck the banks. I remember once i went into the bank and the bank teller that i gave all my stuff too. I was talking to her for a minute and for whatever reason and i realize now in hindsight that i should not have probably said this but it was in the moment it just kind of came up but i remember saying something like cows small talk right and it came up that and i'm pretty pretty sure on the one that brought it up but whether or not they had ever been robbed and i don't know how i don't know how i said it without sounding like i was about to rob them. Billy just asks a bank teller on the clock one that you don't you sound like i know her personally just like hey you ever been robbed and she laughed and she was like well. No i you know i i i haven't been but i was working. One day at another bank and this guy came in and handed me a no and i was having <hes> pity day. I just stressed out countdown my till and i was getting ready to go and i just didn't have time for it. Agai puts a piece of paper slides it over to me and i don't even look at them. I don't acknowledge him. I just kind of go. I'm sorry i'm closed and she hands him the paperback she just pushes it back and goes on counting and so the guy went to the next teller and robbed her so this woman avoided being robbed. I mean luckily nobody assert or anything and it wasn't like a gun. Point thing or like wasn't anything like that but could you imagine like finding holly guy just accepted that he was robbing the bank handed ended to know over this giving them money and she was like i'm sorry i'm closed. That's all you have to say if you're getting robbed. Just go no. I'm closed. I'm sorry <hes> next taylor. I feel like she really does that. Other bank teller lunch or dinner or something definitely <hes> should take them out or something. I wish man man. I wish i remember which bank was that. I would love to go back and ask them more questions because if you like being feeling a bank teller probably sees a lot of shit especially the ones uh-huh how many bank robberies happen that go on reported or like in the media. You know what i mean like. Obviously they're documented if the cops are called but i mean how you do we not know about fascinated. I gotta get the bank tellers. I was going to a bank for a while. That was like every time i went in. They'd be like you. You know you can do this at the a._t._m. Or with the mobile app we'll do you just not want to jab sure all right thank you. Hey if you're listening listening to this which <hes> that'd be weird if you weren't <hes> because you wouldn't hear this right. I don't know <hes> if you having it <hes> head over to instagram facebook all that good stuff. 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08/06: Tight Ends Preview (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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08/06: Tight Ends Preview (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"This is fantasy football today from c._b._s. Sports got mail us at fantasy football ed c._b._s. I dot com. Take time to dominate your fantasy league of day janey. Are you willing to invest investigated second round. Nick in travis kelsey about mid third round picnic a late third round pick muzak earth's or george gidel welcome to the tight end preview view here we go. We did quarterback yesterday today. We talk about tight ends. You know it's a it's kind of stress war quarterbacks pretty easy deep. You're going to end up with a good quarterback pretty much no matter what not the same situation here with tied in welcome to the show. I am outta mazer saying hello to heath coming slow heath comics. I love this position this year. It gets a bad rap app. We've talked for too long about how bad tight ends are tight end spine this year. No it is not it's not yeah. It's perfectly fine. We've got a leak guys. We've got this huge upside upside tier. We've got plenty of value late. There's no reason to stress over titan dave. I'm stressed there by the time you're done. I'm with this podcast. You should have a good idea of how you feel about titan and whether or not you're genuinely stressed a yeah. I i mean i. I am not genuinely stresses just fantasy football but i think every year we go into the draft going. Well look. There's there's this late round guy like and maybe i'll take two of these guys at one of them. That'll pan out and there's this there's that and then at the end of the day like they all stink after six or seven of them. It's just it's every year tied in yeah not all of them. Though in the ones that are going to go early go early for a reason no not obviously the ones that go early are good. I'm saying the okay the vance mcdonnell jordan reed delaney walker group group. I could get excited about all three of those guys i i'd be. I'd be happy to take them but at the end of the day i know the reality is probably not going to have ten tight ends ends that were that are consistently performing right so this is the year of the tight end. Do you know how long we've we've been saying no. We didn't say that last year. We spent this whole show last year trashing the position and talking about how it was the catcher of football that likes to turn the page. This is the a year of the tight end. I remember writing a story in two thousand seven saying this is the year that i'll tear and then again to head of your time dave and then again in two thousand eleven then and then again in two thousand all right. We'll see about that. Here's a fun stat fauria o._j. Howard caught five touchdowns on forty eight targets george cadle caught five touchdowns on one hundred and thirty six targets and eric hebron caught thirteen touchdowns on one hundred and ten targets touchdowns very important for tight ends. They don't get as many yards as wide receivers or running back so touchdown huge and there are hard to predict dave. I believe you had a follow up to my fun. Stat atfer you i did. I just looking at red zone. Attempts breach team indianapolis ranked fourth last year sixty four red zone attempts. They converted verdict sixty eight point eight percent of them toward the top of the n._f._l. Tampa bay was right behind them. Sixty red zone enough and they converted sixty percent of them and san francisco. Oh middle of the pack with fifty one red zone attempts and dead last and conversions two touchdowns forty one percent of the time they found the end zone so i'm thinking that that that has a lot to do with the quarterback situation and the lack of other receivers that they really had out there and it made it easy to double team kittle in the red zone. He didn't have a lot of red zone touchdown yeah i. I think you're gonna see that touched on number spike for george gill this year with garoppolo back with the offensive line as strong as it's ever been in san fran and with the receivers achievers in san francisco being deeper than they were. This is a big year for a couple of guys. We've talked about with michael. Thomas is he just not going to be a double digit. Touchdown guy. I think is a a big year for george kittles touchdown because so far. I'm still willing to say yes. It's probably going to get better but you look at his rookie year. He had sixty three targets hornets. He scored twice. He's at one hundred ninety nine targets in his career seven touchdowns. That's a terrible rate and jimmy garoppolo's. Touchdown rate hasn't been fantastic in the limited time he's played either. They i think they may focus more on running the ball in the red zone than you would think which earned and so i do think like i'm not reason in the red zone. I'm not certain kills not going to have the worst touchdown rate amongst the world's top six or seven titans. I think thank you might but i like the fact that he averaged eighty six yards per game last year. I just don't think it's sustainable. Oh i think it could be sustainable. I don't know man he said n._f._l. Record god for receiving a by a tide and he's not gonna do that in the n._f._l. In yards after the catch but is what he does though yeah to a degree three but he you know this is another theme of tight end this year that o._j. Ha but sorry that travis kelsey george kitto zach ertz they all had a bunch of targets erz and kelsey had over a hundred and fifty targets. That's unbelievably rare and it was just an amazing amazing year for those three tight ends in unusually good year for those three tight ends and they all of my regrets a little bit you are. They all going to regress a little bit. You expect worst production from all three of those big three. The one i'm worried about the most regressing is earth's because he had so many targets and catches and the eagles go on and they add sean jackson. They wanna get dallas. Got it on the field more. He's gonna take some work away. Suddenly they found a a run game. Jordan howard was impressive in the early days of camp. Mile sanders is garnering headlines. They're they're going to be very diversified. I think it's going to hurt zakar. It's in the catch the yardage department department. I don't think it hurts him necessarily in touchdowns which is a good thing for him but that's why hurts his third for me. Among tight ends i think he comes down. <hes> appoint where it's lower than were kelsey and kendall will be yeah. It was a combination of things from words 'cause he saw moore targets than he ever has almost ten per game the year before as there's one hundred ten and fourteen games which is still really high target rate for a tight in but he also was much more efficient got seventy four percent of his targets targets last year the year before just sixty seven percent so i think there's an argument made that earth's might regress a little bit in terms of volume. I'm more concerned about kittles yards per reception. I am ursus targets but i don't really like the one guy you would think we might have to say definitely going going to is the guy that was a top ten wide receiver last year. That's travis kelsey but i just like barring injury. I don't see any reason to be concerned about him at all. He's the the number one option in this passing game had more targets than tyreek hill last year i expect him to have more targets and tyreek hill this season and has arguably the best quarterback we're back in the game and andy reid place. Maybe he only scores nine touchdowns this year but i think travis kelsey is pretty much going to be what he was last season lamdong thousand yards. Maybe a slam dunk for twelve hundred yards so there there's going to be regrettable from kelsey. I think it's there and i just wanna get one last thing about cable because that's my guy eleven games last year with at least seventy are you'll. You'll hear me refer that number a lot for tight ends and the reason why is because of a tight end doesn't score a touchdown you want him to get seventy yards. It's net seven offensive points. It doesn't happen which tight ends get seventy yards. That's like that school george catalog n._f._l. Record he said n._f._l. Right there were many yards understand what i'm saying. There were five games where he didn't have seventy yards last year. I guess he had a game with two hundred yards. I think the argument they're going to be more of those games issue but it's just a benchmark that doesn't really make sense because like nobody else does perfect. She is his life. If you can't get a tight end that's going to get a lot of touchdowns. You want one. That's going to get a lot of yours pretty simple and you're and now you're telling me that there's not a lot of tight ends out there that do that. I i agree with you. That's what these valuable. That's why it'll will kill yeah. He'll get he'll get his yards it. I'm almost positive yards are coming down because i just like i said and of our record knock on. I just think it's going to happen again okay so he gets eleven. I've got them project for eleven forty six. I think that's a good number eleven over thirteen eight hundred last year so so in fact the top three tight ends they all finished as top eleven wide receivers in non p._r. And top thirteen wide receivers n._p._r. Kelsey and earth's were top ten wide receivers and p._r. Kittle was thirteenth. <hes> you look at previous years where the top wide where the top tight ends ranked among wide receivers achievers in two thousand seventeen gronkowski and kelsey were both top twelve wide receivers but then after that oh you know i it wasn't quite as good and then in two thousand sixteen i mean not even close so and plus like you talk in the number five tight end the number four tight end. They're usually going to be low a. number number two hi ed number three wide receiver so keep the base on the last three years and just kind of what we know about those tight ends of when they get drafted. We're going to get drafted around that range so i want to ask you so i know that kid always dave's number two tight end heath you've erz or kittle second reckoned arts and both formats okay. Is it a gaffe highly close in non p._r. It's it's a pretty big gap n._p._r. I expect what's the catch twenty four passes than kendall okay and when should these guys go off the board and i'll tell you something that does encourage me with tight end looking at a._d._p. And looking at what we've been talking about where they are going to go like we're all we've been wrong. We're taking them earlier than they usually go. Analysts are taking these these guys not not necessarily the top three but four five and six in particular evan ingram is now a top is not a fourth round pick o._j. Howard is not it's a fifth round. I'm looking at. I'm telling you three different sources of a._d._p. I understand going around okay. I'm trying to clarify something like two point. Five percent percents drafts that are going to happen. This year happened for what it's worth a._d._p. Right now you're right so yes. This is in a very small sample size the a._d._p. A._d._p. I don't believe that that means we're wrong though like we don't say we're wrong about quarterbacks. We keep waiting on quarterbacks now just as we're wrong long so i think we're all about titans. Either say about tight ends but what i'm saying is we're wrong about. We've been talking about where these guys are going and we've been in saying they're going earlier than they actually are where they go in all of our drafts. That's retired about our drafts accurate but they're not reflective of the industry. They're not reflective of a._d._p. A._d._p. That's what i'm saying that they are reflective of what our advices which is if you want a tight end to lock up your roster avoid the waiver wire game at that position and try to have an advantage over most the other people in your league. You've gotta get up and get one the little sooner than what the a._b. A._p. Says i think the the place i would agree with you. Adam is we've been talking about them as late second round picks and it looks like pretty much everyone but us can get them early. In the third. I would not have the plan though if i had pick sixteen which chelsea's a._d._p.'s fifteen point nine. Let's say pick pick pick fifteen to think okay. I don't need to take kelsey here because urging kittle according to a._d._p. Should be there at the end of the third i don't they might be but i wouldn't wanna risk that i'd probably just take kelsey mostly asli though mostly though i'm talking about howard ingram and henry specifically howard in ingram because ev ingram is starting to become a top forty five pick kick in our address. He's going sixtieth overall on fantasy pros in c._b._s. Evan ingram's going sixty four now behind o._j. Howard and and eric ebert yeah. The hebron is a huge bust based on his a._d._p. On our site o._j. Howard fifty-seventh over on fantasy prose sixty second overall on c._b._s. a._d._p. He and similar on fantasy football calculator now how much of that is reflective of the golden gate suspension probably not that much but i don't think you have suspend a fourth round pick on the second group of tight ends after the big three and that's encouraging because i don't want to spend a fourth round pick on them. I'm okay with it in the fifth round but i thought it was getting a little bit too rich for me anyway. Are you guys comfortable taking one of those guys ingram or howard not necessarily henry in the fourth round top forty eight pick in a twelve twelve team league. I'm gonna tell you why i am because i'm in the late round four. Let's say i've got the i'm in the the tenth drafts slot so i pick tenth overall in around one. I've got <hes>. Let's see in round four. That would be a pretty early. Pick and evan ingram's already been taken so i know it's now or never for oh jay howard. I'm taking him that same thing of o._j. Howard sake or if i really value having montaigue ingram there because i know that when that turn comes back to me and i'm up late in round five live i figure those titans will be on even with what a._d._p. Says <hes> yeah basically handle it in a way of like. I'm probably probably not going to get the first one <hes> so i don't again the fourth round probably not taking evan ingram most of the time but what if i am early in the fifth and ingram's gone yes. I'm going to take howard most likely or if ingram and howard are both gone early in the fifth and it's like i might i take henry in the fifth round but i also don't. I don't feel too panicked about it. I can wait and take jordan reed in the twelfth round beaters fine yeah but again if you want to have had that position covered let's say it's late round for and you're going to be able to an earlier around five and you've got to fantasy drafters that are picking twice after your fourth round pick and they both need a tight end the position scarcity is going to push me to get the tight end there and then take another player in round five and how close to you in your mind how close is hunter henry to ingram howard so in your that in that nightmare scenario for you where you're in the fourth round and all the tight ends of separate the big three are still there you say okay. I'll take a wide receiver here or whatever and then before your next big early in the fifth round. Two other guys are two other girls just took ingram howard. Are you like all right. I'm gonna take entre henry now early early in the fifth round or is that a non p._r. I think they're all relatively close like within a couple of fantasy. Maybe point per week in p p r for me. At least ingram gets a little separation from howard and henry because i expect him to have a lot more targets than those two. I agree and and i'm not feeling henry not yet okay so to me. They're separate. I've got jared cook ahead of hunter henry. I think they're very similar. Hundred henry's best year better than o._j. Howard's well yeah because o._j. Howard on a per game basis i'm not sure but on a basis because howard hasn't had a full season yet no hunter henry to me feels kind of theoretical because he's he hasn't had a six hundred yards season. He's had eight touchdowns as a rookie <hes> <hes> but he hasn't had a top ten finish yet. He played fifteen games fourteen games in two seasons no. I don't think he's produced like o._j. Howard did last year and like i said at the top of the show five touchdowns on forty eight targets. That's pretty damn good for o._j. Howard but he did even better than that as a rookie at like six touchdowns on less than forty targets so i i would just safer from the same thing we were saying about. Kittles probably going to score a little bit more. I don't necessarily believe that o j howard's going to score once every ten uh-huh target now now when you look at them you think that he should hunter henry has also scored once every ten targets yeah <hes> all right so out of that came in his rookie year. We're we're. We're gonna we're gonna get to those guys a little bit later. I'd have a few things i want to announce. First of all today sponsor is seek. Thank you so much to seek for sponsoring us for for several years now. I hope you're using seek. It's the only app i use for tickets. Promo code is f f t for ten dollars off your first purchase on seek. Promo code is f f t five star reviews. They're extremely really helpful. That really helped this podcast lot. 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I can't think of anything bad to say about travis kelsey and the most common thing i got was a bit of an injury history offseason ankle surgery for kelsey concussion in the playoffs two years ago and one point person pointed out the worst thing you can say about chavez kelsey. His last name is not spelled phonetically and that's is a good point and maybe we should not down for that but seriously travis celtics pretty hard to poke any holes there <hes> c._b._s. sports h._q. Make sure you're watching that fantasy. Football today is live noon eastern monday eight through friday on hugh download the c._b._s. sports app on your connected device. Watch on your phone. Whatever it is watch on your roku on your tv and it's all free it's twenty four seven sports coverage and some gambling advice as well all right. Let's move on guys tight end questions. What is your overall tight. Dan strategy. We've probably talked about it but if you wanna summit up your overall tight end strategy because i feel like there's an advantage to having one of the top tight it ends. I'm trying to draft one of them in every single league i'm in yeah i will take atop tight end. If it's not a tight end crazy draft. I'm happy to get get kelsey in the middle of the second erz or killing the third that's fine but i also don't feel pressured to do that and i'm very happy to have jordan reed and the double-digit legends and even a non p._b._r. Jordan read it. I get the appeal. Jordan reed n._p._r. But would have been non p._r. Z. off you're bored no now. I wouldn't say that okay still tried in all right so when you're making that decision dave and you really want that tight end. Obviously you're gonna gonna have to pass up some pretty good players in round two and three so and one. You're taking kelsey in round one yeah why late round one. I know i'm going to be able to get a receiver running back coming back around to i'm taking him. I want the position scarcity but this is how how at this is a personal choice that every fantasy manager estimate they have to decide how badly they wanna have. What is it the top ten top eleven top thirteen <hes> type of wide receiver in the tight end slot. That's what you said earlier. Adam <hes> yeah based on the last two years of travis chrissy yeah so that's spree. That's part of it. I wanna if i'm starting to wide receivers and tight end in a flex along with you running backs. I want that edge on my team against the guy that starting jordan jordan reed i just i don't think unless you're in a draft with chiefs fans. If you're in the end of the first round you have to worry about kelsey not making it back to you. At the start of the second. There are people people out there who will feel the same way as i do yeah. They wanna have that tight end advantage and i'd i can't get a no. I'm not going to take george biddle in earlier onto. I love george kendall but if i know that i'm picking ten eleven twelve it's kelsey bust and if that's the mindset i'm taking kelsey as soon as i possibly can okay now. Let me ask you if this matters to you. At all. 'cause kelsey took a big jump last year obviously but in two thousand was in seventeen he was the number two tight end and fantasy at a very good year and he was a top twelve wide receiver however that was a bad year for wide receiver. If you take kelsey these two thousand seventeen fantasy points and put them in two thousand eighteen. He's atop seventeen wide receiver seventeen and non p._b._r. Number sixteen in n._p._r. P._b._r. And that wouldn't be good enough to justify a top twelve picker top fourteen pick necessarily but i think he also sat out week sixteen because they already had a playoff spot locked up so he's a stop seventeen receive replayed fifteen fifteen games mahomes yeah so that's true but i i understand that there's that difference there but it still have the edge of the position i make it as clear as i possibly can yen and the other good part about is that if i'm picking being tenth overall and i take kelsey in round two i know i'm going to get somebody along the lines of michael thomas. Maybe odell beckham <hes> maybe levian bell someone like that's going to be waiting for me in round two guaranteed so i'm willing to make that reach for travis. Kelsey has gone full fool zero running back. Dave is running backs. Don't matter. I didn't say i'd just starting kelsey and thomas kelsey and beckham beckham well listen. If we're running back liking tenth listen i can get one of my running backs at the overall that i really like by by travis kelsey hope you make it to me in round two. Oh yeah that's that right. That's a good point right. Because of course you don't know how the draft is. Gonna shake running back. Not gonna commit to kelsey at ten depends on. What else is there. Running back is obviously is scarce position position to and we all we know that regardless of format a great running back a great running back is the most valuable player in fantasy and last year christian mccaffrey was a second round pick and non p._r. Maybe by the end of the preseason a late first round pick n._p._r. And look what happened with him. <hes> so you know like joe mixon travis kelsey. Who would you take chelsea chelsea. Okay how about todd gurley your travis council. You like better than early really right yup james connor kelsey honor connor levy on belvoir kelsey elsie. I go back and forth on this when i think i'm on bell right now. Change only will happen. They'll just i'll take david johnson over kelsey to how does your title strategy change in a ten team league or a fourteen team. League does league depth matter. I don't think it changes much for me. I still want one of the the big guys. I'm still gonna take one with an early pet. It's less important. It's an team league because there are it's it's easier to find a tight end attempting especially the street. They didn't not not an elite one. It's not an easier well yeah but you're like you have to leave when you're also you're passing up on having a an elite wide receiver roy rhinebeck. You're not gonna i'm passing on having an elite wide receiver and an elite run right yes. I'm not passing up on one of them because i'm gonna get one. If i'm picking tenth overall you'll get one and a lotta right and it'll be easier to make up those positions in all the other rounds because it's a ten team league talents pushed down madre lots of different in a fourteen team league team lead that you if you want that edge tight end. He have to go forward early. I think i'm less likely in a fourteen team league to take an elite tight end because a lot of teams but more teams in a fourteen team league are going to struggle at tight end so you're not as at quite as much of a disadvantage advantage. You're on even footing. If you wait long to take a tight end and look at your advantages even bigger when you've got one up three times. That's one certainly that's one way to look look at it but i always concern myself in twelve team leagues with running back depth. If you have bad running backs enforcing team league sorry a bad running backs in fourteen league. You could be in a lot out of trouble on the waiver wire. You can't just plug in replacement. Guys may be really tough based on our podcast like that we do every year so i go a little more running back heavy in that league but i don't think there's a right wrong answer to the fourteen team league or deeper format. It's just kind of a personal preference out of a two hundred dollar budget how much travis kelsey go for two hundred dollars close to forty. He doesn't say forty how 'bout o._j. Howard out of two hundred not forty fifteen <hes> okay okay jared cook seven within five okay i. We're gonna take a quick break here on fantasy football today when we come back sleepers breakouts busts a little bit of news and notes as the colts claimed the foreman foreman and we'll get into some tight end stats some average draft position right after this listeners. I'm gonna tell you a story. It's a true story. I promise it's a story about seek. This is why you should always use seek when you want tickets. I was out to dinner with some family recently. 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Download the seek app today and use the code f. f. t. for ten bucks off your first purchase. That's promo code f f. t. For ten dollars off your first seek purchase are let's do some sleepers breakouts in buses. We welcome you back fantasy football today and by the way during the position previews reviews not gonna read emails but keep sending them along fantasy football at c._b._s. Dot com respond to some personally and i'll get on the friday show fantasy football at c._b._s. Dot com all right. You can also tweet us. We'll help you out. Absolutely blank is my favorite sleeper tight end so all right all right. I'll give an answer. Actually you give your answer. I because i don't want to take guy guy. You don't even like my jordan. Reed is is the best equivocal sleeper tied in in fantasy football this season. He's got an a._d._p. Depending on the site either and like the twelfth round or the seventeenth nineteenth round or almost not drafted he is the number one wide receiver four washington he will or the time that he plays be atop tin tight end and then whenever he gets her you can just stream died in but there have been multiple reports throughout camp about how good jordan reed looks <unk> out. He's not in pain for the first time in several years. I'm expecting a bounceback year from him he could it should not be surprising to anyone if he is a top top five tied in on a per game basis just like it wouldn't be surprised and i and i liked ornery. I've got him right to my top ten. It also wouldn't be surprising if he missed eight games and i i finished touchdown. I think it'd be a little surprising if he missed eight games. He has played at least twelve games three the last four seasons. He's only missed eight games or more once in his career so yeah i. I don't think i he has not missed that many more games in the same number of years advancement donald but he gets the he definitely injury prone label advancement donald. We just talk about as a possible breakout candidate. The other nitpick i've got on read is the early season schedules etchells tough. He's got the eagles the cowboys the bears to begin the year but in a sense if he's going to get the targets like a wide receiver type targets target's that doesn't bother me as much when it comes to tight end so i that's mostly the reason the fact that he's more explosive and healthy. I'm really looking forward to watching in the preseason his last year. When he played man he did not look good at all and now if he's moving more than five yards downfield. I'm there's reasons wants to be excited about him. You do kinda commit a little bit to the stripper stripper streamer theory string theory no no not wrong type of fantasy masih podcast the streamer theory <hes> when you draft jordan reed but that's okay because you're taking him late yeah and i i mean i understand the appeal for sure her. I'm less excited in non p._r. Worry about the touchdowns. I think this is the worst offense in football and we we have had though in two of the last ask three seasons not last year but sixteen and seventeen we had one tight end that was on the thirty first ranked offense football that was evan ingram and one side and that was on the twenty. The eighth ranked offense and football jared cook. Oh no that was that was last year. I'm sorry it was two thousand seventeen and eighteen so in each of the last two years we've had a top five tight end on a terrible scoring offense and in cooks case he led the raiders in every passing category targets yards catches and touch out. I'm almost positive so. I think he sees similarities. There with jordan reed okay dave hoosier sleeper. I'll go delaney walker. I i'd actually like to to give you an even deeper sleeper than that to of course all right so delaney why waste he's going to say. I think they have the same initials right who whereas delaney walker yeah yeah yeah how do we do you have the same source i have because i i. I got it from a little birdie now. Now i remember the little birdie little birdie told me to watch out for the deep sleepers darren waller in oakland. Yeah apparently early. He's looking great. He's he's got. He has been dealing with a leg injury that kept him off the field for a couple of days but i think he's gonna be back. He's just going to get that opportunity. That jared cook had last last year. We know that antonio brown hasn't been a practice because of those ugly feet. He's been getting targets and he's been looking good so we're talking late elite. Pick maybe even a tight end a second titan to put on your bench and see what happens. Therein waller might be at he did nothing he's done nothing in his career but but opportunity is everything and football and now getting back to delaney walker he's healthy. <hes> marcus mariota has consistently leaned on him. I believe he's had over eight hundred yards each of his last three seasons when he was healthy six touchdowns or more in two of those last three seasons as far as streaming tight ends go and his a._d._p. I think is actually going up. I don't think he's bad at all cleveland cleveland week one indianapolis we too he could get you off to a decent start especially p._r. Nah i wouldn't be looking at walker as a streamer. I would be looking at him as as guy that. I'd hoped to start most of the year before last season. He hurt his ankle in week. One he missed the rest of the season. He was a top seven tight end and non p._r. And a top five tight end n._p._r. Three straight years as seleny walker <hes> so i i think yeah i definitely sleep repeal their and darren waller by the way eh he's caught one hundred percent of his career targets six for six for seventy five yards. He also had a twenty one yard carry and he was a wide receiver in college so they're you're obviously receiving skills for raiders tight end aaron waller. All right breakouts guys i. I don't i don't see how o._j. Howard doesn't have a big year like i love o._j. Howard i'm with the public i'm taking o._j. Howard over evan ingram you guys have ingram ranked ahead of howard. I think howard such an obvious breakout got candidate because injuries cut his season short but you get rid of the sean jackson. You get rid of adam humphreys. You don't really replace them with anybody. I i mean. I just think the sky's the limit for for a guy who entered the n._f._l. As one of the most talked about and touted tight end prospects in years so who else has o._j. Howard is a breakout that was my breakout choice and i do like obviously there is the risk of him getting hurt again but if he plays a full season then he's going to have a career year which by definition makes him a breakout i would anticipate. You're going to see his yards per reception comedown. Yes he's averaged sixteen point six two years in a row. I don't believe that's just what we should expect generally speaking when you have a player that's been very very low volume on a per game basis as with outlandish efficiency if that volume increases on a per game basis to the efficiency is going to go down so i do think you can't just to say well if he gets eighty targets and he averages what he has in the past. He's the best tight end in football. It's not gonna happen. No you're right. I don't think four touchdowns at the same rate but i i can't put him the head of ingram simply because i i do even with unfreezing godwin when jackson gone. I think they're still going to be a pretty significant target disparity between wean ingram howard but i do have howard better on a per target basis he just he needs the opportunities. He's just soldier how efficient he's been over screws averaged less than four targets. A game came through his first two seasons. The guy six foot five and two hundred and fifty pounds he can run a four or five a third of his career catches have gone for twenty plus yards. He has twelve twelve red zone targets seven red zone touchdowns in twenty four game by all those metrics he should be close to the number one tight end in fantasy see football but it's the targets. He's just not getting enough work now. Maybe that changes in a in a major way. I think it's going to change. I think he's go up as long as he's healthy but to get in the neighborhood of eight nine targets could be tough to expect well yeah don't but i do like the fat. I'm sorry i just i like the fact fit. The box passing game kind of cleaned house shawn's gone humphries has gone so that means that there's three really big targets for jameson amos to throw two or if you count cameron break braille steal a couple of touchdown some all those guys but they're the potential in o._j. Howard hasn't hasn't been realized yet right. There's no guarantee it will be realized but to spend a fifth round. Pick to try and get it at the tight end position where you know it is upside is is. I think it's worth it. I think i the only thing i would push back on his last year. He only played ten games. He averaged about five targets per game or four point and he would have been a top five or six tight end. If he'd jotted sixteen games he had twelve games her he had seven games. The only play ten seven games aims of twelve plus p p._r. Points is potential was realized last year. He just has a healthy <hes> who are some some other breakouts tied in. I'm gonna go with mark andrews and this is just going back to the late round tight end well <hes> he had a sixty four percent catch rate from lamar jackson in lamar jackson starts last year. He's had glowing owing reviews as route running has been great jackson for what it's worth i i don't know how jackson looks throwing the ball to his receivers but from what i understand he and anders genders or like this they are tight and that that's going to play out on the field. I think he's gonna play every down. I think he's a solid late round pick and if you just if you miss on tight enderle that's the one that i think has the most upside of everybody outside the top seven thailand's eight thailand yeah and for those of you who are watching. I didn't see it either. I anticipate zip as dave may be fingers. Intertwined sort of gesture like two fingers crossed right this right exactly like like that listeners heath. The records said they were tight. I expressed words right absolutely well. I mean obviously a breakout akao candidate. We'll get all right he. Did you have another breakout or should we moved two bus well o._j. Howard was the name that i sent him but i would also say hunter. Henry is absolutely lutely a breakout candidates. It's just all depends on what percentage of philip rivers passes go back to the tight end because he has been surprisingly efficient for a tight right end averaged nine yards per target. He scored once every ten targets. I don't he's doesn't have the same target potential as kelsey or earth or kiddle but i do think he has. It's the same target potential as evan ingram in that chargers offense and if he gets that he's going to be a top four. I didn't okay and we really brought this up but melvin gordon if he's not there does that help or hurt hunter henry. I think it helped. I think it helps them a little yeah. I'm not sure i think it helps them in the red zone a little right that's still have they still have austin. Who's best work is done in the passing game right but that the in the red zone. I'm not sure if that like the rushing touchdowns with that the the t._s._a. Touchdowns with probably come down and be my guess all right. Let's go to busts and let's <hes>. Let's get a little bit of a move on it here so we can get to all the a._d._p. Make sure we're not leaving anybody out. Who's the bus this year dave. I'm gonna go to hunter henry. I don't like him at his a._d._p. His one year when he scored eight touchdowns twenty sixteen there was oh keenan allen. Mike williams was in college. Often wasn't on the chargers. I don't think so now philip rivers has a nice group of pass. Catchers doesn't have have to lean on hunter henry for eight touchdowns. He has twelve touchdowns in twenty nine games games with seventy plus yards at twenty nine so i feel like he's a a little overrated. I'm not feeling hunter. Henry is around five round six pack and he's around six round seven pick a._d._p. Right no had not that from what i saw me <hes> yeah yeah i mean round six sixty eighth overall on c._b._s. So approaching route around six and round six on fantasy pros. You wanna talk me around seven on him. I'll let ya but <hes> eric is the worst. He's going behind. Eric go ahead of hebron and i adam got so so mad at me for saying this before but i'll say it again you guarantee me. Twelve games of jordan reed and p._r. I will take him over ibran this year. He's hurt right now. They've added devin funches. They've added peres campbell. There weren't very many targets for him last year. When jack doyle was healthy eye eric hebron might be fine late number one tight end just because he scores touchdowns enough to finish there but is not someone. I want to start if you had to draft him. What round you're looking to do it and he nine yeah. I disagree with you on the reverse zebra thing because i think the coach throw about twice as i'm not joking i think the throw about twice as many touchdown passes at they did more than that last year as redskins will and touchdowns matter antilock has a history of going to his tight ends four touchdowns but i do think that six round is way too early tight end six and seven even i mean i can see tight and seven if he's way behind the second group three but just know that in terms of targets yards and catches when jack doyle was healthy he had more of all of them then eric brown. I think hebron probably earned a little bit more this year right like he was so so good for them last year. He should probably get more targets than he got last year in the games that jack oil was healthy but yeah it's a concern plus. They bring in funchess. They draft paris campbell. They're going to run the ball a lot lot more. They went nine and one when they started using marlin mac last year so i see the bus potential for sure on eric hebron and i do think he he's. He's definitely really a non p._b._r. Guy much more than a p._r. Guy i'm a little worried about evan ingram guys because i don't like him around for as i've been saying around five is it is fine in my opinion top after pick forty eight twelve but i don't know what happens when daniel jones gets in there you know if daniel jones jones gets in there which i assume will happen. I know eli manning's not a great quarterback but i like you i manning four evan ingram and i like ingram a lot more now because he could get off to a great start without golden tate but his sixteen game pace without odell beckham i think he played fourteen games without beckham in his sixteen game pace without beckham and to seek sixteen without beckham. Are you sure there last year and twelve year before no is ten the year before i'm looking at it right now. He played played all sixteen games as a rookie because i think he missed them. He missed the last two games all right. So what do we got. Seventy seven catches nine hundred sixty two yards and seven touchdowns. It's pretty good numbers that all right really good. It's pretty good but it but it's not a thousand yards and it didn't have golden tate so so daniel jones factor scares me a little bit. That's why i'm going o._j. Howard over everything room but obviously both those guys are super super talented both were first round picks could could have a bigger all right quick break here when we come back a quick round of news and notes and then a._d._p. We'll talk about more guys. I wanna talk about greg olsen. Greg olsen needs a little bit of love on this show. We write back yeah this bright campbell with a c._b._s. Sports state of combat podcast reminding you to get some of this. 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The cowboys are still optimistic about signing him. Jerry jones wants to give him a new contract. Today's august six supposed to report by today and tomorrow's are running back preview so part one so we'll talk about it more on tomorrow's show. Hopefully we'll have more to say. The colts claimed deontay forman irman heath. What's the fantasy impact here well the anti foreman's a texan in their division. I think that could have as much to do with this as anything. I don't see any the impact yet. I'm going to have to hear some positive reports about four men changing the reason he got cut in houston which sounds like was his work and then here he reports. That foreman has explosiveness back. I don't think probably matters okay. Why would you if you took more than mac. Would you take the foreman with a late. Pick not not in a standard entered c._b._s. League no. I wouldn't use one of those picks i would. It's a long season and you know marlon mckesson alaka. Stay healthy for sixteen games and i i think forming could jordan wilkins right off that roster. He's going to have to again. It's the same thing we talked about three days ago. He's you gotta find. Twenty seventeen dante foreman somewhere doesn't exist right now. It's not in his achilles. Andrew luck says he certainly believes he will be ready for week. One did not say he certainly will be ready for week one he. He said he believes he'll be ready for week. One something to keep an eye on here seattle linebacker bobby wagner had some type of procedure that cara was vague on that defense can't afford more hits. We still have more than a month before the start of the regular season so expect banner to be there for week. One <hes> tampa bay linebacker levante david tore his meniscus but he could be back for week one another. They need that defense. Arizona was looking at michael. Crabtree could not agree on a contract emmanuel sanders cortlandt sutton got into a fight at training camp. It's the cornerbacks and the wide receivers not too wide receivers come on. I guess they were on the sideline and sanders was mad at him and said. Do you want to catch these. He's hands. It'd be the first thing you got all year. That's not true not true but didn't catch anything like okay. Another new england wide wide receiver making headlines jacoby myers. He's having a good came. Just when i was watching kelvin harman's film this off-season myers ours was like flashing. Okay not surprised by that thought offensive coordinator. Mike grow likes jordan howard pass protection skills. There are more good reports. Also about mile sanders sony michelle has improved as a pass catcher according to the athletic and jalen. Samuels is getting a lot of work in pittsburgh camp. According to the athletic and trey burton is unlikely to play in the preseason he continues to recover from sports hernia surgery and ed dickson seattle tight end dixon might need knee surgery. We need to talk about we'll d'isly because he might not be that bad this year so that's more jacob hollister now. Let's go wilderness. Asli this leads all all right here we go with some average rap position us fantasy prose which is not all that dissimilar from c._b._s. a._d._p. Except jordan reed on fantasy prose it's almost it's like he's not in the database or something one hundred and eighty six overall very strange tight end twenty four on c._b._s. Tight end fourteen or something going in round eleven hundred twenty second overall. That's jordan reed but we started the top travis kelsey seventeenth overall like or dislike love at seventeenth over like that's right where we should be going zach ertz twenty-seventh overall george cadle twenty eighth overall makes sense. These guys are definitely going right around the tooth. Return yeah in c._b._s. Though kittles thirty six and is still twenty eighth you have to write in the article about them dave. I guess so bump that a._d._p. S._o. Oh well no. I don't wanna bump the a._d. I want to be able to get him and lee round three. You're you don't have to worry about late rather. You've already taken kelsey in the first round so on that if connor fault fault b._c. so mad if they're nice what about began through ninth then i'm not getting kelsey you know get cable then. If i knew i could get kid on the late the third round i wouldn't take kelsey in the i might not take elsie in the second round you know if i'm deciding between kelsen odell beckham or something like that and i'd rather have i would rather have beckham and kill than kelsey and brandin cooks or kelsey and stefan digs yes i would too. He thought he would take knowing. You're you're getting kettle heath yeah not beckham but yeah okay thomas doodoo tyreek right and then our next three tight ends o._j. Howard and around five evan ingram late round five last pick up around five hunter henry round six so yeah. I mean that's fantasy prose on c._b._s. Eric brown sneaks in there on fantasy pros eric bronze round seven. He's tied seven and he goes with jared cook. We haven't talked about jerry close henry and cooker in a._d._p. On c._b._s. yeah base going sixty ninth overall so cook it cooks base and here's the that's interesting because in my projections like my projections and rankings don't always line up perfectly jared cook cook n._p._r. Is right there with henry how henry and howard not with how but right there with henry and howard just because like there's already been some talk about how they want to have him more involved in the offense than what i had originally thought and he was a lot better than these guys is. We're last year sean payton saying that they're they're putting in place for cook. They wanna get that tight end position going again after several years of not having it and he's probably going to be the third option the passing game behind thomas and chimera well he okay. I could not put cook ahead of howard and you're not putting him ahead of our but you're saying he's right there a._p._r. Where was he a lot better than let then cook a lot better than howard last year on a per game basis well not i don't know about that. I would say probably not on a per game basis because of the efficiency of howard but i do not expect that efficiency efficiency to continue n._p._r. They basically have the same exact amount of points per game but i but i don't expect jared cook to get one hundred ten target one hundred one targets. I don't expect that no. I've got him for ninety. He's interesting because he's really like that was his outlier season and he's been on a good offense before or he didn't do much of anything when he was on green bay now they had devante atoms and jordy nelson and randall cobb and you know he was basically the fourth option he could be the second second option in the saints offense well. If you don't include kamera targets kamera could out. I think he will really doubt. I'd be a little surprised if he did it was the first time he ever had more than one hundred targets in his career and it's the second time with only ninety what stood out to me is at jira cook had a catch patch rate of sixty seven percent and the he called him a career underachiever and last year he overachieved ritchie but i think he's landing in the perfect spot for him to get a touchdown. He'll score seven times this year and he'll get over seven hundred yards on top seven times 'cause he. In this in the saints offense heels scores that'd be a career high who scores seventy. I'd like micheal. Thomas scored what nine times last year and he's better than jared cook also if he has seven hundred yards and seven touchdowns he is a top five times yes so so are you last year. Yeah i seven hundred seventy eight five. Let's see the i don't know about that. That close will cook was the fifth best tight and last year yet eight ninety six and six which seven hundred seven with a major number seven <hes> would major number six last year okay so anyway. Are you comfortable with cook as the eighth tight end off the board going at the end of round seven yes in fact that's almost my fallback. If i i really do not get one of kelsey kittle herbs and do you prefer cooker ibran cook okay and let's go to the next group. David joke is just like they're so hard to evaluate him. In my opinion the giokoo vans mcdonald austin hooper are the next three and a joke vance mcdonald austin hooper and go trey burton. He's tied in twelve so that's that's weird by the way but what do you think about <hes> nine through twelve and a joke mcdonald hooper and burton on fantasy prose people are still drafting joke who on on potential and not reality thirty two games. He has two games with over seventy yards. Never had more than seventy. Five yards is eight total touchdowns in thirty two games. He has thirteen drops ops in thirty two games. He has twenty two games with five or fewer non p._r. Points eighteen games with six or fewer p._r. Fantasy points. He's he's fool's fool's gold at that. Even at that ep i think was happening like he was the number eight tight end last year and he's being drafted as number eight or nine tight ends this year <hes> <hes> i think that's probably the best explanation for it and if he if he could repeat like austria six hundred forty yards receiving thirty nine and four touchdowns i could understand dan the argument that this is a better offense. They're going to score touchdowns and if he's at six fifty and six then he absolutely deserves to be here but there have not been positive reports coming coming out about 'em in camp and it's hard to find the targets for him. If duke johnson is involved in this offense because with you could have beckham landry in a joke who there's enough targets to support those three i if duke johnson's getting three or four targets per wayne to it's really hard the senior joke match last year's total of what ninety targets would you rather have no joke or jared cook. Sorry eric brown. I know you'd rather cook iran. He brought okay jokers in a clear bust. I'm not drafting him or what about vance mcdonald austin hooper and trey burton. How do you like their a._d._p.'s ten eleven board. Yeah i liked macdonald the best of that group just because the the opportunity that alive in the steelers offense he's not he's he's more of a touchdown or bus titan unless he starts getting six targets per game but he he's going to help help fill in the blank of antonio brown as a short area target and rothlisberger talked up mcdonald as a reliable tied-in that he hasn't had since heath miller yeah i. I don't mind where mcdonald's going in terms of the pecking order. I think i've got him thirteenth tight end. I don't i do think this is too like if you've missed a tight it end and you've missed all the safe guys and you're shooting for upside with these later options. I don't think vance mcdonald like to be going in the first ten rounds. I wait until the twelfth and there are going to be great options there. He was a top twelve tight end last year. He played fifteen games. It's really like since antonio brown erupted. They haven't had a good tight end. Heath miller had seven hundred sixty one yards and three touchdowns in two thousand fourteen mcdonald had four touchdowns. That's the first time a steelers tight end has had four. We're touchdowns and it leads the last five years but look antonio brown had twenty or more red zone targets in five of the last six seasons so that's an opportunity plus. You don't have jesse james anymore. There's an opportunity there. I mean i think we see it. He just i'm just not sure how good he is so whether it can stay healthy yeah he played fifteen games last year <hes> all right so so who like austin hooper had a good year last year i think it over seventy catches and mike malarkey is his tight ends coach. Mike mularkey great things delaney walker and there's already one report that they expect more from awesome hooper this year. It was a top seven tight end last year. Who else osteo like. Do you like austin hooper. How does delaney walker yeah. I've read my number nine tight ends and then walker and i've got reading walker very very i think they're both risky but have a very nice p. P. r. floor for as long as they can stay upright and then for me. There's kind of a tier gap. Hooper is my next favorite as the number eleven tied in but again. I wouldn't take him until the eleventh round maybe even the twelfth and then burton mcdonald older right there with hooper but i'd prefer to either of them and then dave you have mark andrews in this group right. I do okay that's because because if you're drafting a tight in this late and this is one of the reasons why just moved jordan reed ahead advanced mcdonald. You're shooting for upside down thing that we talk about on this podcast a lot. I just i i don't see a lot of great upside with vance mcdonald. I think he can be like. I said it touched on her busts tight end. I think andrew's read at the very least and you might throw delaney walker in there too. They've got a chance to get it done yardage wise. I think vance mcdonald has this might be wrong. I'll double check in a minute but i think you only has four career games with with over seventy yard. That's a lot of yards doesn't happen very often so it's probably right which means which means he's a touchdown or bust. Well see that's the thing. I think if you don't get fifty arts. It's regular fantasy points for my tight end is not good no but it's actually not that bad. I believe it or not. I mean the thing i want someone understand. I want to address kelsey in the thank you. He gets me no dame. I just think your standards are too high looking at tight. It ends with seventy yard games so rarely happens. It's just of course my standards are high want to win my damn league adam. I understand that but it's like we're talking about. We're not talking about travis kelsey alcee right now. We're talking about vance mcdonald. I had to listen. How do you feel everybody listening. All on one second greg olsen goodness if if you're happy getting five to seven non p._r. Points from your tight end go ahead and wait for one on draft day. If you want more then go after those elite title title. More people are playing n._p._r. The non bureau so that number becomes like eleven right of six catch us so we know that number becomes becomes like eight and if you got eight fantasy points from your tight end last year you had to tell you what you gotta top twelve title. That's not true well. You had you advance mcdonald. Donald was eleven point three. We're talking with touchdowns. Oh you're talking about the five was without a touchdown right now. Eleven point three was evan ingram and and he was eighth in points per game and that was the average of the top twelve tight ends and full p._p. Our last year <hes> not seen that but that's how that's how you that's how about this adam thirteen through twenty four the average p._r. Points of those tight ends was five point nine. I think if you're looking for alexandria or if you're looking for eleven fantasy esi points per game from your tight end you have struck gold that is really no no no no no no. That's not striking gold. That's wanting to strike. That's evan immunology edward draft capital get him. I i understand but if you get eleven fantasy points from your tight end late in the draft n._p._r. You drafted ingram row j. howard slightly slightly worse. Oh sure sure sure sure that's what i'm saying. That's what they did and i'm telling you that it's going to be very hard for vance mcdonald to get to that eleven point barrier he he might do it five times. Do we see any sleeper. Appeal in the rookie tight ends hopkinson and fan greg olsen. Jimmy graham irv. Smith dallas got her chris herndon anyone else that we haven't mentioned that we have two minutes left guys hodgkinson's my favorite of that group fans is my favorite. I can't wait to see hopkinson play in the preseason because he's been getting great reports as a route run or pass catcher stafford's finding him <hes> in their scrimmage. He was playing going with the starters there. There's great potential with him and if he's going to get five catches for fifty yards per game than you know that that's going to be a good starter n._p._r. All right greg greg olsen. He played nine games but he left two of them. In the first half with foot injuries healthy games. He was on pace for nine touchdowns which is very unlikely likely to happen because that's never been his thing but i could see he's had foot injuries two straight years. He says he's one hundred percent healthy right now. I could see us picking him up. At some point it starts with the rams and as a like a streaming tight end yeah yeah i could see and he starts out with the rams and the buffs at home. It's not that bad. No in fact three of his first four matchups matchups are against teams who were in the bottom eleven against titans last year rams box and then houston and week four all right. That's wrong with olsen is how much the targets are d._j. More and courtesy annuals aching because we've mccaffrey there. There's not a lot of extra by the way thomas if also retired in thomas would be a huge each sleeper. Keep an eye on baseball leagues. He's worth the last round pick or maybe even like third last round manorial to get him then hopefully <music> after listening to this podcast at the listeners have come to a conclusion on what to do a tight end and maybe they've been convinced that they can wait or they've convincing. I'm convinced that they can't win and if you're still not sure reach out to me on twitter at dave richardson we'll talk about it. Okay thank you so much dave anti he will get genie back tomorrow. We got rb preview part. One and we'll talk to you. Dan thanks for listening to spanish football today <hes> and then.

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Kate & Michelle Magdziuk

"It's time to eat in my ballet. Sit Down and get ready to consume an abundance of fantasy football knowledge from Russ Tucker and Evans Silva me so hungry on the fantasy pieced evening podcast yeah let's baby it is the fantasy feast eating podcast and if you're looking for a place to make your online wagers head to but online dot A._G.. Use Promo Code podcast one to receive a fifty percent and sign up bonus today bet online dot A._G.. You guys know the deal. We are rolling towards the twenty nineteen N._F._l.. Season very excited about today's guest by the way and I love giving out these fantasy feast season-long Redraft League entries Love Love Love it today by the way I should probably introduce. I'm Ross Tucker at Ross Tucker N._F._l.. On twitter and Instagram if your facebook person that's cool facebook dot com slash Ross Tucker N._F._l.. He is Evan Silva. Although Evan was traveling today kind of had mixed signals there so evan is taking the week off. We will have him back on the fantasy feast podcast next week week through the end of August. We're going to start tears EV- next week I think so get fired up tears of Evan but we have not one but two guests instead today that are really really you're going to join them. <hes> get to that momentarily do need to give out the fantasy feast season-long entries and by the way the one is like a no brainer. I told you guys there's lots of ways you can contribute. Somebody sent me like twelve twelve different ways which was awesome and pretty sure that's illegal through the mail. I'm not telling you guys do illegal things but you send me twelve different amazing I._p.. As I am on Monday night you're getting in the league. That was somebody last last week. We also now have this week. I mean Scott Sheriff's getting in. He's the guy that not only wrote the tiers of Evanson. He's The guy that is Carrie underwood's keyboard player and got my wife and I meet and Greet Pass it with Carrie underwood and backstage pass where we hung out with him and the band. I'm sorry dudes. He's getting in he is getting in. I told you be creative. That's pretty creative now. I will say this even if you just go rockstar on the sponsors on the homepage at Ross Tucker dot com or the sponsor tape page or you rate and review every show those people are going to get into so people that rate and review every show Oh some people that take advantage of multiple sponsors. They'RE GONNA get in but in terms of creative backstage Carrie underwood sending me you know beers in the mail. Those are those are pretty darn good. I'm also the other the other winner this week so these are third and fourth participants in the season-long Redraft League slapping McGee he is a Tuck head who I forget exactly what he does. 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That's box of awesome dot Com Code Feast for for twenty percent off your first box bespoke post themed boxes for guys that give a damn so I mentioned earlier very excited about our guest today. It is the the module Duke Ladies that right by the way yes you said it perfectly perfect. You're probably the first person in the history of all humankind to get it right on the first track all right so it's Kate and Michelle you can follow me on twitter at F F ball blast Michelle is at ball blast them. I am going to be on their show as well this week very much looking forward to that and for people that aren't familiar yet with you ladies. What is the name of the show we are ball blast Baba's one word just in case? You can't find us in the search. If you put a space in there we we miss out Bob last fantasy football podcast. We are on all of the major podcast hosting sites. I tunes <hes> spotify iheartradio. You can find US wherever fairly new podcasts were sixteen episodes in. Is that right I believe so. Yeah and were were rolling fast as you can see. We're talking to Ross Tucker. I don't know if you've heard of them kind of a big deal people know me and now yeah we do too. I'm super stoked for that. Thank you so much for having US yeah well. It's fun because I have a summer intern and I put him one of his duties was to be on the lookout for up incoming podcasts in particular in the fantasy and sports betting space and he came back with you gals and I said let's do it. It sounds like fun plus. You guys are from Pittsburgh Berg right we are. We love your intern by the way town. Thank you yeah no no worries Steven from Penn State so where where in Pittsburgh did you guys grow up so we actually didn't grow up here. We moved here a couple years ago. We're right in the city of Pittsburgh now. We love it but I grew up in central New York and Kate grew up in Youngstown Ohio shoutout to thirty three thirty. I think we're the most dangerous city in the entire state of Ohio that you guys not sisters. No we're wife's line here anniversary so shout out to that we're very excited. We've accomplished a lot never share marriage yeah. A lot of people think we're sisters so we get that a lot of holy cow. Wait a minute. Wait wait. Wait wait. Wait wait wait so we're couple rats. That is unbelievable so you you both happen to marry these two guys and both of their wives and up loving fantasy football to the point. Are you still confused. We're married together. We're very to each other. Oh my gosh totally encases role all the apple so far and guess what I feel like the end result result is even cooler than any of your ideas. I know listeners got that or not. I don't know but for some reason when in my head I'm thinking Modu Ke- I'm thinking you both moved to Pittsburgh for these like I was totally confused. That is that okay well now. I know that's awesome. Is that how you guys that story though we should go with US starting for did you guys meet like through fantasy football. No actually this is Michelle here. Kate never been watched a game of football until she met me about five years ago and that I got her her obsessed and now she beats me and fantasy football so it's kind of annoying. I wish I never taught her too because when you said one year anniversary I didn't know which in my head I'm. I'm still thinking you guys are married to guy so I'm thinking oh I didn't know who was university. It was but that's great but it's your wedding with these mysterious men on the same day Outta hand but yeah yeah for for anybody who is still at this point. We are married to each other. <hes> August Fourth GonNa hit that one year very excited and we've spent the first year of marriage growing a fantasy football empire yeah. Is it question now. I'M GONNA go for it before we get into fantasy football thing. I have a question now. How did you decide what last name to take so I have a pretty small family? My name is GonNa die out here soon if I I didn't hold onto it so that's why we went with module in lowry was her maiden name and she has a gazillion family members so yeah we replicate like bunnies. There was no dying out of that name whatsoever so we decided it's more important to carry on a family tradition and a legacy even o lowery. What about a lot easier? Oh Yeah Modu P. M. A. Z. I. U._K.. No problem so every whenever I had changed I put in my like name requests submission at work they're like. Are you sure you want to go there like well. We can't spell that we trike absolutely crazy all right so I get it now and I get the fantasy football interest and so what made you guys decide to start a fantasy podcast beer yeah yeah we we were at a bar drinking in Pittsburgh and we're sitting down. We're talking about fantasy football and this was in in March and we're like man. It's a little early to talk about fantasy football but we we literally spend all of our time listening to fantasy football podcast. We spend our time doing fantasy football research. It was dynasty seasons. We were trying trying to finagle some trades and we spend so much time doing this. We figured you know what let's buy some Microsoft Amazon. Let's see if we can actually try to share some of this knowledge. If anybody will give us the time of day to listen and it turns out there have been a few people well who have listened to us. It's been it's been really cool. It's <hes> very unexpected. I don't think we expected <hes> this sort of responses fast like we got a sponsorship from the fan tracks podcast network who <hes> has been you know pretty equal giving us some some Nice hookups with people helping spread the word about our work. It's been it's been a really fast ride. That is awesome. Well congratulations I can already tell why you're having the success that you do and it's because because of your last name being so awesome that is pretty clearly what why success by the way you guys are already. I'm just saying this Evan. I believe is the best fantasy analyst in the world but I'm already at least more entertained in the first ten minutes talking with you ladies than I've ever been talking with him on twitter and let them know yeah I mean I'm definitely more intrigued entertain. That's for sure you're so. Let's let's dive into it and we wanted to get into at least I wanted to get into some of the people that you really think are gonNA break out this year and or people that you are down on for whatever whatever reason Michelle start with you can kind of go back and forth but let's start with a running back that you really think is going to break out this year okay so I have been nonstop just ranting ranting about this dude and I'm sorry if any of our listeners listening please stop talking about him but my guy is carry on Johnson of the Detroit Lions I think he is going to be an APP. Absolute Stud this year and this is why so let's start off with everyone is hating on the Lions running game because Matt Patricia you know he's not going to use a word course back except he did start to use Kerryon Johnson that way. After week five so weeks one through five Kerryon Johnson was only seeing about twenty two to not even thirty percent of offensive snaps while look era point comes kept stealing all of his time but then the antibiotic they come back and carry on starts starts getting fifty five to eighty percent of the snaps from week seven to eleven and then he unfortunately got injured of course just when he was breaking out so I do think Matt Patricia learned his lesson. I think they wanted to buy week. They watched some tape. They realized while we're we're much better team would carry on Johnson's on the field and when we take them out the drive stops like every time I watch lines game I was like why are you taking out your best player and also a big reason why I think you saw the field a lot more his passing a block grade read got way better so we use P._F.. <hes> grading and drought one weeks one through five his <hes> pass black grade was only forty one percent terrible or forty one grade that went up to ninety one week seven to eleven and that was the best in the League for running back blocking which is great and you see the field more when you're a good pass blocker so I do think next year he's going to go into the season. He's going to get a majority of the reps and they're saying that he could see sixty receptions or at least the media saying that I believe that could be true as well because he was on pace for seventy seven targets from week seven to eleven so I think he's going to be super involved in the passing game and there are reports out there that says the already could be cut and they would save about four million dollars if they cut him at that happens with me some Kerryon Johnson okay. How about you kate? Do you have somebody that you think is a break and I'm looking at your list. The sneak preview here I had I had the girls. Send me a list so I had an idea of what the T- them up on and you're just straight receivers. Kate like Michelle has some variety with running back a tight end a wide receiver ver not K. goes straight receiver so out of the three receivers. You sent me Kate. Who's the one you would as they say in the N._F._l.? Stand on the table for I'll stand on the table and this is probably going to surprise people so the three that that I was I'm high on Dante. Peres I know everybody is but I wanNA talk them up even more Curtis Samuel Robert Foster out of all of those when we're talking fantasy football. I'm GonNa Take Robert Foster. You know why he's basically going undrafted drafted right now I've been able to attain him in dynasty trades to literally requesting him as a throw in peace for big trades. Nobody's always talking about Robert Foster. Everybody's forgotten him when he was an undrafted raft free agent and he was incredibly incredibly productive in his rookie year when he was on the field <hes> so like I said fantasy football perspective I'll take the guy that's virtually undrafted because I genuinely believe that you might get a wide receiver vert to even back in wide receiver to for Robert Foster in your last round of your redraft league so here I go undrafted free agent coming out of Alabama. He hardly saw the field in the first half of the season yet all of a sudden when when we see you know sort of Josh Allen taking off in the second half of the season weeks nine hundred sixteen he graded incredibly and almost every metric I could find for him <hes> number one fantasy points per touch among wide receivers verse number two and yards perception number four yards per outrun number four and passer rating one targeted and you're talking about a guy who boasted a <hes> one hundred and twenty seven point two passer rating when targeted and when you're looking at Josh Allen. Do you know what his passer rating on the entire season was sixty seven point nine and you know what I'm GonNa Guess that the bills are smart enough to look at that metric to and say we gotta get the student volved. He is a guy who can stretch the field. He can also take those yards after catch <hes> and Josh Allen He. He's got a much better receiver core so I just don't think that this season we can ignore nor the passing game in Buffalo and I think Robert Foster's at cheap option with a lot of upside because when we're looking at that kind of productive and somebody's rookie season who's gone undrafted. I think the sky's the limit for this kid and we just haven't haven't quite caught up to him yet but I'm all aboard all right so here's my question for you kate. Do you know where Robert Foster's from I don't he l. did he go through right. No he went to ten. He went to Alabama actually but he's from Central Valley in Pittsburgh so I didn't know forget how long you guys have been living in Pittsburgh but I wanted to test your Pittsburgh Pittsburgh Knowledge Zero. We're steelers fans and we've we've been steelers fans yes. I've been a steelers fan since I met Michelle but I do come from a a lineage of steelers fans. I just didn't didn't participate Michelle's been the lifelong steelers fan hair so are steelers knowledge pretty Dece general you guys. You didn't move to Pittsburgh because you steelers fans. Did you know it we we like northern cities to live in Cleveland. Actually <hes> that's where we met <hes> we moved to Fort Lauderdale for a bit for a couple of years and that was terrible. We did not like southern Florida be- sorry sorry to anybody listening in southern Florida sorry. I'm sure oh you're great. Just not the rest of the southern Florida so then we wanted to move back to the north in Pittsburgh was just the first place that we found good jobs so we moved here. I like it your else. I like light stream you guys with this light stream dot com slash feast. This is for people that have credit card debt which is frankly a lot of young people. I love this thing. Okay between five thousand one hundred thousand dollars is what they'll loan own you. 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Here's my favorite partly is you're gonNA like this subject to credit approval rating point five percent auto pay discount terms and conditions apply offers are subject to change without notice visit light to stream dot com slash feast for more information and mention the module girls anyways there you go. I want to go back and forth so now we're GonNa go to bust because I wanNA make sure sure I get your best one right so Michelle if you could only have one bus one person that you're like stay away who is it. You know I'm GonNa go with Mike Williams because people are very high diane him this year and they all truly believed that he's going to take the next step and be you know a top twenty top twenty four wide receiver and it could happen. I'm not saying there's no chance but I'm being very cautious on him. Okay so the biggest thing with Mike Williams is that everyone's like Terrell Trout Williams's leaving trout Williams's leaving so Mike Williams is going to take all of his targets and become this monster well tyrrells only leaving behind sixty five five targets and we have to remember that hunter hundreds coming back. I think he could easily get sixty five targets. Don't you hundred we'll get a bunch yeah yeah at least sixty five targets so I don't really really know if there's that much more room there for him to grow last year. Mike Williams was the wide receiver forty two points per game. Everyone remembers him breaking out because he had a couple good games there. At the end of the year he he scored on fifteen percent of his targets like that's an insane number so you are a really holding onto those touchdowns that he scored last year and hoping he does that same thing and it's going to be very hard to repeat <hes> again. The wide receiver to is just not used that much <hes> in that chargers offense would Philip rivers especially when Keenan Allen is on the field that wide receiver to only sees twelve percent of targets. It's not good good. That's not a good percentage. He's going to have to go way up and just historically Philip. Rivers likes to use three wide receivers <hes> just in two thousand seventeen. We have to remember that Travis. Benjamin was still think he's had sixty two targets so there's there's no reason that Travis Benjamin can't become a thing again not this great thing but maybe see fifty to sixty targets with tool really hurt. Mike Williams potential <hes> he is still on the team or another wide receiver. Three's going to step in just like they always do. <hes> Philip rivers loves to use his title and Slasher. He didn't really have any. I mean Antonio Gates was on his last leg. <hes> and one hundred hundred wasn't playing so I think when he comes back he's going to see the target and he can steal a lot of touchdowns and that's going to really hurt Mike Williams and his potential <hes> people are saying that Philip rivers you know he only through five hundred eight times last year and that was extremely low for him so if that goes up then there will be a lot more targets to go around except Philip rivers was his most efficient self last year like by a lot he had <hes> like six percent more completion higher completion rate than his career average and then his touchdown percentage was insanely high as well well so he can even go up seventy targets and it's not GonNa make a difference for yards for touchdowns that can all stay the same so I just. I don't see the room there for Mike Williams to grow and Leskinen Allen gets hurt and you know that's not something I ever want. Rely on man you girls know your stuff. This is awesome. What about a bust for you kate all right? I don't WANNA get in trouble for this one so Ross. You'RE GONNA have to help me out when it comes to the twitter trolls that are gonna find me after this. I'm going with drew brees. I'm sorry it does not mean I think he has a bad n._F._l.. quarterback but I am not touching him in fantasy especially as the a quarterback seven in redraft right now no thank you no thank you all right drew brees one of the greatest of all time right. I'm lower on him than the consensus <hes> and that's largely because I think we saw significant decline after week twelve last season so <hes> everybody knows he was having a career year. His passing was off the chart. He was incredibly efficient. <hes> ranked number one in N._F._l.. Passer rating among quarterbacks with fifty or more drawbacks. He only had one interception that entire period of time games one through eleven. That's incredible average two hundred and eighty five passing yards two point six touchdowns per game. He was a quarterback. We're back to like. Why wouldn't you want to draft that in the next year right <hes> I'm looking at the second half of the season? That's why Games twelve through fifteen. He wasn't playing game sixteen because you know the saints and you know playoff-bound whatever <hes> he arranged nineteen and N._F._l.. Passer rating among quarterbacks with fifty or more drawbacks four interceptions and that shorter time span whereas the entire first half a season plus had one interception so <hes> his total yards per game declined only had zero point eight passing touchdowns per game in that time he was a quarterback fourteen for fantasy football in that timespan. I think <hes> juries sure breeze. He just sort of looked like a different quarterback and I think what the saints did <HES> was set him up to be as efficient as he could be amidst the decline not every quarterback. Is Tom Brady unfortunately and if I'm if anybody Eddie also like me you WanNa Watch Derby's drew brees play for as long as possible but I think overall we've seen this sort of shift. He's not pass pass pass. It's you know they're more reliant on the run game. They've got a better deepens. They're sort of setting the tone to take pressure off of drew brees and I don't think the passing volumes are they've got a tough road schedule this year to they've got rams seahawks bears jags. Those are tough road games so I think we're GONNA see even even bigger homeward split somewhere typically seeing I'm not on board with your breeze especially at that price. Don't at me or you can ask me and I'll I'll keep spitting fire. Don't ask me I love it. I would say there's also some concern about the offensive line and Max Unger gone and we'll see if the guys they have fillon at center can play the same way that is what drew likes to least he's like most quarterbacks the pressure up the middle in his face. We all know he's not the toll sky so I'm not I'm not hating on you for that. Let's get back on the positive side though let's get to Michelle Michelle Gimme. Me another breakout Ross. I'll let you decide you want to hear about a wide receiver or tight end. I don't want to hear about the tight end because he plays on the same team as my Guy Cam break and I'm sick of everybody talking about him and the guy that plays next to cambric which everybody now knows who that is so can't break should break out my guy but anyway talking about o j Howard 'cause you just yeah. We're going to talk about this right now and I'm going to talk you into my boy O._J.. Howard so we'll get into break in a second and I'll tell you exactly why he's not breaking out O._J.? Howard is a beast of a man he is just truly a talented tight end? He just needs to stay healthy and you know what his injuries aren't that concerning okay. It's it's too ankle. Injuries doesn't look great. I know it was two years in a row but college he was perfectly healthy. He was fine okay so I think he will be okay going forward again going back to those P._F.. Grades I love them but when you compare him to other tight ends he compares to Kelsey Kittle Kelsey and kettle and then it's right there with Howard. He's the third best one and I like that company. That's pretty good company. He's I in yards per reception for three yards after catch <hes> and then third in yards per route run which I love to see there are going to be two hundred twenty four vacated targets next year here with humphries detox injure quizz Rodgers gone. I just who are those targets going to go to and don't say Cameron break there. I know Chris Godwin will get more okay. He's very good wide receiver. I'm very excited for him as well but he did already have ninety four targets last year so if that even goes up to one hundred and fifty targets which would be amazing for him. They're still one hundred seventy targets to go around. I'm just not sure who those are going to go to. They didn't ask a running back. That's good in the passing game game so I had to go to someone and I'm saying it's going to go to one of their most talented pieces on the offense which again is not camera break so Cameron Berate. Everyone's like well. Don't forget about him though forget about him. Jameis Winston loves him. He has all the touchdowns. Jameis Winston scored six touchdowns last year four of those came in O._J.. Howard was hurt so you only got to an O._J.? Howard was actually playing same thing in two thousand seventeen? He had six touchdowns Cameron Break Woo but he had four of those in the first five weeks. When Jay Howard was the rookie I mean it takes them times? Where rookie tight end say get up to speed to get that playing time to get those targets <hes> after week? Five Bray only had two touchdowns and guests who started getting all of them O._J.. Howard he had five touchdowns after week five camera great stop being used? We saw camera great last year with O._J.. Howard out I picked him up and fantasy and he was not good to say the least? I had to stop playing him because he was destroying my my team he had one game. I think where he got me a touchdown or two which was nice but besides that you can't count on them to get receptions. You can't count on them to get yards. You just have to hope he gets a nice little touchdown in a game I I just I don't think cameras going to be using the passing game. He can be used as a blocker. Maybe even though Howard is better at blocking so I just don't see a world where Cameron Bright DOES ANYTHING NEXT TO O._J.. Howard that's you can even play him in fantasy honesty <hes> and then the last argument here that people use as Bruce Arians doesn't use tight ends well he doesn't? He's never had a tight on like a good one. He said his best tight ends on his rosters. Were Koby Pflieger Rob Rob Hausler in Duri- would was the Gresham Germain Grass Yeah Yep so what was he supposed to do with them is really my question like none of them did anything before Bruce Arians. None of them did anything after Bruce Arians Orient. Bruce Arians is going to use his best players because he's a good coach. I don't think he's just GonNa let O._J.. Howard's talent go to waste? We did see him with a pretty decent tight end are in Pittsburgh with Heath Miller and guess what he's Miller had his second best season in his career under Brazilian so I do think it's possible for him to utilize tight on you know at his best self. I do like cameron bright as as a player by the way this is Kate <hes>. I like Cameron break the player but I thank his role is more on an actual N._F._l.. Roster than my fantasy roster I agree yeah and I just like him as a person because I've known him since he was like a freshman or sophomore in college so I'm talking on a on a personal level because I think I did all of his games that were on T._v.. When he was playing at Harvard but now you make a good point it is interesting? I'LL BE CURIOUS HOW ARRIENS USES O._J.. Howard certainly seemed like in Arizona for sure he used a tight then more as just a block or and didn't have them run? Even that many routes Gimme another Gimme another breakout kate all right Rusty WanNa hear about a wide receiver or a wide receiver. I'M GONNA go with so I think I get the Dante Pettis one and by the way Michelle's other breakout was Christian Kirk just so you guys know I asked for three of each but we're not going to get to the last one to give me their second best one. I already feel like I know a lot about Dante. Pettis Kate so I think it's interesting you have Curtis Samuel as a breakout so tell me why Curtis Samuel all right so Curtis Samuel I I hopped on the courtesy and we'll train. I literally went back through my twitter here just just so I could reference this my first courtesy mule hype tweet November twenty eighteen. I've been on this guy ever forget it. I'll never forget it. I know that like I'm going to memorialize that day because I think it's going to come back and I'm going to re tweet eight this crap like you know six months from now <hes> so courtesy he was an actual former running back. He was the eighth pick of the second round in two thousand seventeen. Does nobody like I. I don't think I realized that his draft stock was as high as it was. I don't think anybody does. I hear everybody's talking about D._J.. More and his draft capital nobody mentions that courtesy mule was a former higher round pick like nobody talks about that <hes> twenty seventeen n._f._l.. Draft <hes> so you I'm already teaching him up for that that third year leap right but to get that third year leap you need the opportunity Devin funchess left town which was a great thing for him when he was injured. lascaux and Devin funchess was injured. We saw a massive uptick in overall snap count for Curtis Samuel. He hardly saw the field in the first half of the season. <hes> snap jumped up to like ninety percent of offensive snaps in late twenty eighteen. Once funchess was injured so he's got the opportunity <hes>. Let's not forget that this was with a Cam Newton who was struggling to throw the ball he could not get that ball down the field and yet curtis. Samuel suddenly jumped up to six point five. Have targets per game was almost on pace for a thousand yards. <hes> seven touchdowns he ranked a hundred and seven in snap share amongst wide receivers yet he finished time for thirteenth for touchdowns with seven touchdowns so he he was scoring touchdowns when he was on the field <hes> his hog rate which represents targets per snap is ranks twenty eight th amongst wide receivers and he's being drafted in the tenth or eleventh round in Redrafts <hes> when you look at his film when he he is utilized they sometimes use them sort of as those <hes> like end around running plays which I before I found out he was the former running back and <hes> didn't click for me but it totally makes sense because he's he's <hes> he's fast enough to sorta get to the edge. He looks he looks polished and that's <hes> you know aside from the fact that you know he never actually got to participate in offseason program fully <hes> <hes> I think it was <hes> twenty seventeen off season program. <hes> had a hamstring injury couldn't participate which you know these are huge for wide receivers in developing connections with their quarterbacks <hes> last season. He had a personal personal small thing. I don't know what that was but kept him off. <hes> kept him off the program so he's never had this off season to sort of <hes> refined some of those skills. All of the progress that we've seen has been real time in the N._F._l.. Season and that's super hard hard to do when you're focusing on game play so I think that he's got all the opportunity to make the third year leap and I liked what I saw last year <hes> when he was actually provided the opportunity so I think this is his season and he's dirt cheap if I think he's also got wide receiver to upside and he's going in the tenth eleventh round all right so taking a look at some of your other busts Michelle you had Zach Ertz and Chris Carson and I'm guessing hurts is mainly just a volume thing with our Sega whiteside and you've got got her coming onto. I can kind of see that one. I can see the Carson one as well for Kate you in in addition to your drew brees flame thrower Erik Hebron. I totally get on the touchdown thing but Tevin Coleman was interesting one to me and you just don't put words in your mouth but just it's too much running back by committee too many too many dudes there. You got that right and I'm actually I'm a huge Matt. Braida fan debate checks out my twitter. Yesterday I superimposed map Rita's head on a statue of a Greek goddess or got with so check that out on twitter at f f Bob last because it's a pretty pretty sexy photoshop there <hes> but yeah Kevin Coleman too many cooks in the kitchen for me and he's the most expensive Cook I you know if I can get similar and look I think map Meritas the better pure runner out of the two <hes> and I don't believe in Tevin Coleman sort of touchdown upside he did manage four point eight yards per carry last season but just four rushing touchdowns on the season as the lead running back act. I don't see those opportunities getting more voluptuous with the number of talented running backs there and I think what what gave him such a safe Florus as pass catching ability but you've got to other proficient pass catchers in the same offense. It's purely the running back by committee that I'm concerned about paired with the price. I'm staying away and I'm sitting over here. Boiling because Kevin Coleman is one of my favorites this year I think he's a great value so we have complete opposite views on him. I like <hes>. Do you guys fight about that. Oh yeah every night before. Is it fair to say. That's the source of most of your arguments as a couple. Oh absolutely yeah it's all Tevin Coleman so we'll blame him. Yeah so wait a minute just so you know you guys are like the coolest people ever. I'm checking out your twitter handles and craft beer or bust for Michelle. I love it. I I mean you guys Pittsburgh. We're awesome people. You sound like you're awesome. People and if I'm ever in Pittsburgh I probably will I mean I can't believe how much you guys know about fancy football. I'm good but I didn't know you were this good and then craft beer or bust. You seem like a heck of a lot of fun. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for having us and I promise I promise if you come Pittsburgh and give us a call we will show you to every every good craft beer location in the city of Pittsburgh. We know them all. There's a lot to there's there's really good beer in Pittsburgh so you should come visit. Pittsburgh is a place to come. Get really fat with food and deer yeah. I love it so you got to follow him a show on twitter at ball blast them kate is at F F ball blast. I will be on their show now. I know we're recording the interview tomorrow is are you publishing tomorrow the one on one so it will go up on Monday. We always post our episodes on Monday so Monday. The fifteenth it'll drop really early in the morning and I will need the sports con- yeah please check us out Bob Lhasa fantasy fantasy football podcast <hes> it'll drop Monday morning. We're going to be at sports con- This weekend for any of your listeners are out there. Come find us and hang out with us. We can drink craft beer together since Ross still has to make to Pittsburgh. I'm like I'm like nervous about this interview tomorrow. You guys you guys you guys are on it. <hes> thank you both so much coming on the show really appreciate it. Thank you thank your US excellent stuff with Kate and Michelle that was cool. You know hey or setting record. We've done hundreds of these shows. That was the first time we ever had two women on at the same time pretty awesome anyway. What else is awesome better online dot A._G.? Because that's where you use the Promo Code podcast one to get a fifty percent welcome bonus so if you didn't yet listen to St Fezzet on the even money podcast today today where he he gave four tips on how to win money betting pro football had nothing to do with actual teams or players just four things you can monitor and if you do there are people that win money betting pro football just monitoring and being up on those things. 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Kim Goldman on Confronting OJ Simpson

The First Degree

1:04:31 hr | 1 year ago

Kim Goldman on Confronting OJ Simpson

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But what day is it billy. It's happy national poets day are there any others isn't doing anything. It was like national senior citizens edison's day. You know what's better than poets because you don't love. Our seniors. Belly loves the poem. I don't love the l. Power just playing devil's advocate advocate without but i was voted class poet in high school <hes> i know you've talked about it before yes but last week my first book went and stores and while it definitely has a very goth poetic title chase darkness with me inside it's about me solving murders instead of writing goth poetry and of course. I had to thank you ladies. These and i would like to give you the i would. I think alexis you should read it more than than billy. Ask what i did. Introduce you to billy jackley rude so let's see to alexis linkletter for helping me sore in jack advantage for keeping me grounded. That's right always here to knock you back. That's right my geology of bringing back down. I relate to you guys so thank you. We love you more those very sweet. It did not have to thank me but i'm glad you did. No i think you should should think honestly if i didn't think alexis i know it. Would i would of heard for it not that not that that's the reason why did it but yeah alexis would be giving you shit forever if he didn't think or a very emotional person i would have woken up with a horse head. Absolutely we what god if reference and i give night dessert i give back. Yes exactly all right well. That's enough of that so let's turn on the lights. Let's turn your anxiety because this could be in in the answering machine of ron goldman june twelfth nineteen ninety-four ron ron ron ron and bonehead. It's almost ten from debating. If i'm just gonna drive over to your house or not want to get moving here probably at about ten fifteen. He minutes calling iran. What's up derek twenty after ten wake up around you. What are you doing all right. I'm gonna finish fish watching the show and i'll probably get over later ron where are you. There's eleven call me as soon as you get up thinking we'll start heading over there in a little bit all right later hey ron. This is stuart. It's about ten forty five. I just those curious. If you wanted to come to work today so talk to you later bye iran it's patty. I know your work so leave a message and it's twelve and i know it's probably really busy. I don't want to come visit that would be great paying spy tehrani steve. I don't know if you're looking at what's going on. Today was a coincidence oversaw obviously run ron. This is jeffrey. If you're dead men you'll hear from above i love. I just heard on the news right. Now i think cross and i'm hoping it's not you run around town like fast wildfire trying to get a hold of your parents. Love you man take hey ron. Dot com hope you're doing well because i was just watch the news and they said they found they found somebody dead named ron goldman over brentwood on bundy. I'm just like fuck. That's how you feel calling back. Let me know you're okay so we're still doing well. You run. It's trash. I was just calling you back and i wanted to see if you're okay okay bye heireann. This is is kelly <hes> pity call me. We heard something on the news and i just wanna make sure it's not you call me by as soon as possible anytime tonight. Okay okay by ron. This is kimberly. It's monday night. I haven't talked to you in a while. Heather burr just called me and said something happen to you. There's something didn't happen to you. Call me back. I need to talk to you by just wanted to hear your voice from wartime. I'll for him in terms of what you just heard. We got our hands on the transcripts of messages left on the answering machine of ron goldman on june twelfth nineteen ninety-four which was the day of his murder. Those were not the real messages left by his loved. Ones as those were not available also we had them recreated by friends and family of ours who are willing to do that for us to try to paint a picture of the sense of urgency felts on that day in how things moved from concern to panic to horror. We are discussing the o._j. Case today but unlike other other times the story has been told. We're focusing on this episode on ronald goldman. He's been referred to as the forgotten victim many times in association with this case and we really wanted to educate everybody who thinks they know everything about the o._j. Simpson case a little bit more about ron goldman and his experience on june twelfth nineteen ninety four. It was a sunday in los angeles. The gay pride parade was happening along santa monica a couple of art in west hollywood in the third game of the n._b._a. Finals was on t._v. People were heading to the feeders to watch counter reeves and sandra bullock alec deal with a bomb on a bus in the movie speed but a little after ten pm on a quiet street in the l._a. Suburb of brentwood to people bill would be murdered. What happened that night. In los angeles would become one of the most talked about crimes in the history of not only the united states but the world the first degree exists because we wanted to tell stories of crime through the eyes of someone who was one degree away from the murder and our guest today. It's quite possibly the most recognizable. I agree history. She has kim goldman sister of ron goldman. They're more crime shows and podcasts than ever before but if you do search for the names ron goldman and co brown on the podcasts up surprisingly nothing really comes up and we understand why people think that they've seen it all they've they've heard it all and the investigation into the murders of ron goldman and nicole brown are probably one of the most analyzed crime in american history after the kennedy assassination so what is new that you've never heard before even if you're an expert on the o. J. simpson case is really a deep dive into kim goldman's perspective. She has a new podcast called confronting o._j. In which she essentially is talking to everybody involved in the case and interviewing them like what went wrong. How how did this return inoculate verdict in sort of piecing together picking things apart and interviewing the people who were directly involved in not just that outcome because that we learned is kind of something that was beyond on anyone's control but we are looking at a process that kim is going through and you can follow along with her honor podcast and it's just been incredible and there is a lot of evidence from the crime scene that wasn't presented in the trial in this episode we are we're going to focus on the crime itself in chronological order including all of the evidence that has come to light over the last twenty five years in addition to that getting into the experience silence of kim who the goldmans weren't connected to o._j. This was a complete imagine hearing the news of o._j. Simpson and my brother what yeah <hes> like. The browns nicole is married to o._j. This was just like a cosmic shuffling of the deck like i always say in just the shock and horror of having your family implicated in this unwillingly has baffles me to this day so it is going to be a completely new perspective on this case in the last thing i'll say before we get started is that we're operating under the assumption that you have at least a cursory understanding of the case. You know what the outcome was. In in the trial. You know the impact it had you know that he's guilty even though he was acquitted so i say this because there's no possible way to go over every nook nuking cranny of this investigation of this case of the emotional and pub culture toll it had on the world so that being said we're we're ready to go and please don't crucify if we miss anything. There's just no way to get it in an hour even to okay. Are you ready for your next. Benjamin show i've got it for you and it's called carnival row so carnival row is a one hour fantasy drama series starring orlando bloom and caridad levin gene. The series is set in a victorian fantasy world filled with mythological creatures whose exotic homelands were invaded by the empires of man they struggle to coexist with humans are forbidden to live love or fly with freedom. Orlando bloom plays it right kroft phyllis straight and he's a police inspector. Who's investigating a string of a gruesome murders. Threatening the uneasy peace of the row cara delevingne plays at vignettes stone moss a ferry refugee who flees her wartorn homeland come to burg where she must contend not only with rampant human prejudice against her kind but with the secrets that have followed her to the new land but even in darkness darkness hope lives and this human detective and ferry rekindled their dangerous affair despite increasingly intolerant society come together on august thirtieth to watch carnival leroux only on amazon prime video this labor day weekend so here we go the morning of june twelfth nineteen ninety four ron wakes up brentwood apartment at sixteen sixty three core avenue in brentwood he gets dressed and goes to barrington field just south of sunset boulevard play play softball with his friends the game ends and he heads back to his brentwood apartment and gets dressed for work four twenty five. He leaves his his apartment and walks the five minute track to mesolithic restaurant four thirty he clocks into a shift. It's six thirty during his shift ron runs into his friend nicole brown simpson. She's their kids and family to celebrate her daughter. Sydney's dance recital aside all they say a quick hello wrong. It's back to work. Nicole eats dinner and leaves nine thirty three wrong clocks out of work and starts his closing duties at meslin anna nine thirty seven the cole's mother judy brown calls mezzaluna to let them know that she left her glasses there during dinner nine forty-five nicole calls muzzle luna about the glasses speaks to ron who insists on dropping the glasses nicole's to save for the trip of picking them up ron ron hangs up with nicole takes the glasses and goes home to take a shower and change. He leaves his apartment and drives the six blocks to nicole's condominium. It's now just past ten ron walks up to the condo at eight seventy five five south bundy drive just a half mile from the muzzle in a restaurant. Nicole's condo sits in the center of three other condo's. They all have a small private courtyard right at the front end to enter each one of them from the front. You have to go through a gate now. What we're about to tell you is a mixture of the evidence that was presented at trial and the killer's confession that was presented in a manuscript for a book. It's iran walks past the other condos and arrives at eight seventy five. He goes up a short ten foot brick covered walkway way surrounded on both sides by lots of foliage and presumably rings the buzzer at the gate be let in enters through the gate in season a coal but before ron can give her the glasses a figure appears out of the darkness and ron recognizes the man anyone in the entire western world would have recognized ignites this man he's wearing a stocking cap and gloves and his wearing all-black the man hits nicole knocking her out ron steps in to come mm to the aid of his friend in split-second ron is in rescue mode. He's thinking less about fighting more about trying to make sure nicole is okay but in that split second the attacker hits ron with a punch on the right side of his face ron falls to the ground rana's six but one hundred and seventy one pounds but the attacker is a big man six one two hundred twelve pounds and he's built like a world class athlete. He's built like a guy who could rush over a two thousand yards and a single n._f._l. Season the attacker butts refer to him by his nickname o._j. O._j. produces a fixed blade serrated knife and place it at ron's neck picking him up off the ground. He's now grab bronze arms and put them behind his back and he is holding the knife at his throat in. He's talking to ron. You think you're tough motherfucker. He says the knife right at ron's throat. Ron tries to free himself from o._j.'s grasp his arms pinned so he starts trying to kick his way out with o._j. Holding his arms from behind ron begins to lift his legs o._j. Moves the knife away from his neck and starts to established in the legs over and over and over again to get him to stop he turns them around and begins stabbing ron and the abdomen chest <music> neck and face this surprise attack the knife wounds the speed and ferocity of the attack too much ron is not going to make it but he kept to putting up a defensive posture in the attacker who is wearing leather gloves loses a glove and the struggle and because of the loss glove he actually cuts his own hand on his own knife during the attack as you stabbing wrong. He also lost the knit cap he'd been wearing o._j. Thrust the knife into the left side of ron's neck cutting his jugular ron falls backwards into the corner of the courtyard between two trees. He dies within seconds in the attacker o._j. Is now a killer o._j. Now goes to nicole was lying inside. The courtyard orbit the bottom of the steps heading up to the condo o. J. picks up nicole and holds a knife to or throat from behind just like he did with ron. He thrusts rests the knife into her neck cutting so deep that he nearly decapitates his ex wife. The knife actually knicks her spinal cord with the blood no longer reaching her brain. Nicole also dies within mere seconds. The frenzy is now over o._j. Possibly discovers that he's missing a hat and one of his loves but since the courtyard is so dark he can't find them and there's a lot of blood on the scene in the darkness. He doesn't realize that he's left. A lot of footprints blood has now around ten fifteen two hours later to nicole's neighbors find her body and they call the police and the police find that there are two bodies in front of nine seventy five bundu once the police arrive on the scene in the sun comes up this double homicide hits the news but wanted for it one one eighty seven and westville eighty effect named arthur chaim nicole simpson and the man found with her had had multiple wounds. J simpson has not been seen since he arrived late yesterday at his brentwood estate family members and friends stayed with him through the night and continued arriving today. The police forensics team began a search of the crime scene and o._j. Simpson's home investigators removed several pieces of evidence from both properties a blood-soaked glove according the los angeles times found that o._j. Simpson's home and believed us during the killings a second newspaper reports. The matching glove was found at the crime scene. Police refused and say anything about hoping investigation or the nature of mrs simpson's relationship to ronald goldman the second victim so this is los angeles. One of the victims here is the wife of celebrity the athlete who was very loved so to say that the media latched onto this and ran with it is obviously understatement anyone listening to this would know doc <hes> what a lot of people don't notice is reporting on ron initial reporting on ron. It was nicole brown simpson ex-wife of o._j. Simpson and a man dan or he was an anonymous man for unidentified man. You got to understand like the confusion of of ron's family. This caused a lot of confusion because even when they did start say ron goldman. That's the name in los angeles. That's pretty common ron goldman. I bet you there's at least two hundred of them. So then it's like doc you move to that couldn't be my ron goldman so the reports of ron's murderers spread and friends flooded his answering machine with frantic left-field messages some of which we heard at the top of our episode and they were hoping this week it's gotta be different ron goldman but there were more than fifteen gene messages the day after these murders on ron's machine in the messages left before the news of the killings depicted a popular her guy one caller asking him to pets. It got people asking him to go to drinks and dinner to play softball. I mean he was a very very well liked person. You could tell that from something as small as his answering machine. You know my brother he he was very he was very optimistic. He had very positive outlook. You know he always thought that i was daddy's angel on and so we had a lot out of competition by competition with me and i mean that because he thought i was like the favorite kid i just was more studios. I was more focused <hes> i was probably because i don't want to get in trouble. I was more responsible for the two of us but i was envious of his care. Free like energetic way that he looked at life like my brother wasn't isn't a book smart kinda guy. Though he did o'kane school he just he loved life like he just wanted to embrace all. I was probably a little bit more hesitant because i had rules. I was supposed to follow so i think i envied his approach and as he got older and you know when we moved to california he just he soaked up here. He just really brother was like a geeky kid. When we were in chicago and came to california in the san like we always said the sun kissed him if you know what he just blossomed into this gorgeous man who just like started working out and he got tan and he just found his found his voice here so this double double homicide hit the news really really hard <hes> but despite that the goldmans didn't hear the news until five pm the day after the murders so patty goldman who was ron goldman stepmother was just enjoying an afternoon at home when she got a weird message on her voicemail machine and basically glee it was the manager of mezzaluna looking for ron saying that he didn't call in for a schedule and it alarmed her. It's one of those things where it's like. You get one of these calls so and so didn't show up here emergency contact they call the number and then when she called him back he just jam looking for ronnie didn't calling for a schedule. She scolded <music> at him and said why would you call me and worry that. I thought something was wrong in the manager apologize. I'm sorry i'm just looking for ron yeah so our later ron's father comes home and and he's walking through the door and patty <hes> yells at him fred hurry up pick up the phone. You have to talk to somebody. Something has happened to ron and the call breath was actually from the coroner's office. The woman asked fred. Did you hear today that nicole brown simpson has been murdered then she said well. I hate to tell you this but your son ron was the other victim and with those words their lives were changed forever and their lives were changed forever and one of the first things that the police and the goldmans probably wanted to figure out was how do these people how did ron end up there so how exactly did ron nicole and o._j. Converge on that night ron goldman was introduced to nicole simpson by mutual a friend at a starbucks coffee shop two months before the murders for awhile ron and his friend didn't even know that nicole was o._j.'s acts ron gradually became pows the coal they'd work out at the same gym she let him drive her white ferrari which is tight tight tight and she invited him to our table at the renaissance where she dined and with a handful of friends on thursday nights their relationship was platonic but it wasn't perceived that way in the media because there was a ton of speculation that made it seem like they were involved in a romantic relationship not just ended up not really being true and it was completely unfounded. People just speculate which happens all the time people draw conclusions about women all the time where it's like if someone's killed with someone you assume something is going on but people had a difficult time believing that a twenty five year olds kind of hunky guy in in a single woman driving ferrari could be platonic friends so many jump to conclusions about ron. He was a waiter and he was a sometimes model. His driver's license photo he looked really really gorgeous is head was looked. His head was cocked back. He was wearing a bandana hit amazing hair in these images circulated in rumors spread in an instant the world had created its own ron goldman a character that smooth talking tanned intoned and they may <unk> judgments about that which were unfounded and we see this often in many cases. You don't usually see it happening men so this is kind of unique. Where are you know they meet these assumptions about him. In broadcast that all over the world but wrong was a really fun guy and he actually also appeared as a contestant on a dating game. Show called studs in the show was hosted by comedian. Mark decarlo and golden was introduced as a twenty three year old tennis pro. This was two years before the murders and at the end of the episode ron was paired up with a young woman named diane. Hey ron goldman the twenty-three-year-old tennis pro. Give a big hand for coming front. We'll start with you. You make a good impression on the phone with a woman <hes>. I guess i don't like to talk on the phone so i'm kind of blind to the plane going be ready to eight. I'll be there be there okay. We asked what a <music> what their impressions were of when they talk to you on the phone ron and here's what they said one of them said rough wild and oh so sexy in this guy is mutual macho date with folly ali shit. Oh come on say right right paul short connie connie constance. I said this guy is mu much because when i talked to him on the phone he had deep voice like a mansion. Good how this guy better be hot with personnel. That radio personality was great or you. Just kinda china like you said straightforward on the phone to the point and akaki hearing that clip of ron is such a incredible glimpse into who he is just a guy who's twenty-five twenty-five he's young. He loves life. He's he's confident. He's having a good time but now we have to get back into the reality of what the goldmans we're. We're facing in the days. Following ron smarter ron's autopsy was conducted two days after his death onto fourteenth according to the report he died by multiple sharp force injuries including the following a sharp i wound to the neck doc left side with transaction of left internal jugular vein multiple stab wounds on his chest abdomen and left thigh multiple incised wounds of a scalp face neck chest and a defensive wound on his left hand. There are multiple abrasions on his upper extremities hands also believed to be defensive wounds from the autopsy also indicated that the injuries were incurred heard before his death so kim and ron moves from buffalo grove indiana after their father fred and their mother sharon divorce in nineteen seventy four after spending a brief time with his mother ron move to southern california to live with his father and kim in one thousand nine hundred eighty six you know my dad was awarded sole custody of my brother and i in the seventies which was crazy you know that wasn't in the seventies for a father <hes> <hes> and i i think as a result of some of the the trauma with my birth mom leaving some of the things that occurred and and my dad being a a really dedicated working father my brother and i were left. You know it's probably negative latchkey kids. I mean that's what we were and you know. Get both keys your neck and we'd walk home from school and <hes> we just took really good care of each other out of out of a necessity but also because my dad just created a really loving nurturing torturing home on the my dad came home. We've did our homework and we made sure we ate dinner and he chapter homework. I mean it was a pretty disciplined home. <hes> but my dad's big mush pot and he's the big love and just was really supportive in encouraging but we just had had to get business done so i think there was a lot of brother just making sure that we were taking care of each other taking care the house making sure the dog was fed. The cats fed like you know our chores were done and but oughta that we just grew intensely close <hes> because we didn't have anybody else we didn't in have an extended family that we were super close with it really was just the three of us and i think that was that was just an amazing the situation that we were in <hes> than my car accident happened our car accident. My brother and i just you know just deepened our connection because it was very tragic. Check on. I don't know i'm just i feel really lucky that move that my brother and my dad were the people that had the most profound impact on me. I just chill really lucky for that. I just i always did better with with with boys. I was like a little rough ahead all the hand-me-downs you know but he just he was very much my protector and he wasn't embarrassed by me year ashamed of me and i love hearing his friends talk about like i think it was jeff president who sad you know we sometimes we run away that you were there like your brothers like now. She's sticking around and it was just always looking out looking over shoulder making sure that i was in in close proximity which didn't change as we got older. I think it's so sweet i mean we've talked about her podcast in this episode already and just the fact that they we're called three musketeers and they have like a little modern family where at the time it was super unusual for fathers to get custody of the kids in this way and the mom was kind of absentee and kim talk so lovingly about just this warm amazing environment curated which is so nice. That's wonderful and you. You were crying when you were hearing him talk. I can't even listen to it. I know it's too emotional. Yes sir ron gets to l._a. And he has dreams he wants to get married. He wants to have a son and he also wants to open his own restaurant and the place would have no name. He said he liked. He wanted to be like the rocker. Once called prints spreads the restaurant would be represented by a symbol the egyptian which is the symbol of eternal life yeah. Why do you think that simple like. Do you think you know the story of the tattoo to my brother had a tattoo of <hes> you know with his friend lauren <hes> it's a symbol of eternal life. I don't know if he thought that at the moment or if it was really because lauren suggested and he's like i'll do what i don't really know but he loved he loved his tattoo <hes> and my dad not so much <hes> but <hes> you know i love that he embraces the point that the outlined his business plans. You know there was a shape of an onc in the business plans plans for the restaurant and then their walls. Would i mean it was like it. Just it spoke to him. I think he kind of grew into it and i think i. I think that you know that it kind of speaks to him to that. He's opened that he wasn't so headstrong uncertain things that he's gone just just kind of open to life happening and and being welcoming into the things that were around him ron surfed. He rollerbladed played volleyball on the beach. He spent his free nights in the clubs and his mornings at the gym brentwood he did some modelling for armani but mostly he kept himself afloat working as a waiter at places like truly yours california pizza kitchen mezzaluna also found time to pitch in at the thousand oaks united cerebral palsy residents you turn this floor there into a makeshift salon on and he moves the residents hair before outings to the movies or to the beach he was doing a lot more than twenty five year olds i know and this monster this motherfucker snuffed out his life before he got to reach the big milestones we all hey everyone so the fact that fun twenty nineteen fall box is on sale now and i just got my box and i've been obsessed rest with these harper and ari exfoliating sugar cubes that are green and they fit when you put them in the bathtub and they are amazing so what facts it is women's lifestyle style subscription box filled with large size not travel size or sample size but large-sized products beauty fitness health wellness everything that you could ever want to splurge for yourself when you're feeling that it's to go shopping but there is a catch in that is that they don't last long they sell out really quickly because the value of these boxes is huge and everybody's waiting to get one as soon as they go on sale in the items and every box customizable and i chose this kate spade makeup toe that is so cute. 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You're figuring it out exactly it wasn't literally until just <hes> probably the last year of his life that he found his calling and what he wanted to do and <hes> you know he was ready to come to my dad with that information and he was just kind of stepping into the next phase <hes> but at the end of the day said this million times my brother was the last couple minutes of his life released sums up. Who was he stayed to help you stayed to fight. He stayed to protect and you know as much as is. It pains me that my brother wasn't more selfish that night. It wouldn't have been him to run so so we're going to go over some of the broad strokes that explain the variables that lead to convergence of these three people these three significant people in this case on that night so o._j. And nicole met nineteen seventy nine after he divorced his first wife marguerite and this is interesting. I didn't know this. I think jack did when i brought it up but they had a young child that drowned pool accidentally the same it year that they actually got divorced so that was a crazy year because he had already he'd been dating nicole for two years when this happened yeah so imagine the chaos of all of that so nicole and o._j. Actually got married in one thousand nine hundred five. They had two children sydney and justin and there were years of domestic abuse and their relationship was super contentious rollercoaster up and down. They divorced officially nine hundred ninety two but through the entire duration o._j. Was physically abusive in there was ample ample proof of that and after through the divorce o._j.'s abuse towards nicole continued. He spied on her. He broke into her home. He stalked her. Which is what happened on the night of the murders. There were many calls where she's like. He's breaking down my door. It was reported that he watched her have sex with someone else. When she was dating someone knew he would just let himself into that condo into that little gated area whenever he wanted and on this particular night ron doing a good deed was in the wrong place at the wrong time. We took you through the crime up till when the bodies were discovered here's what happened and what the evidence suggests happened after o._g. Flees without his hat or gloves he goes back the way he came in around the side of the house down a pathway in between the house and the flowerbed he exits through gate in the back which leads to a driveway and an alleyway with no street lights while leaving the gate he leaves three drops of his own blood from his wound on his hand on the inside of the back gate the way. I see you know as an investigator. Ron is a hero for defending nicole but he was also a hero for fighting back because if he doesn't fight back o._j. Doesn't lose the glove a fan and he doesn't cut himself and because he cuts himself the blood the blood comes out and all that there and what he's doing there is he's giving in any other case in a case that if it happened right now is a slam dunk but it was just so screwed up because ron fought back o._j. Lost his glove and o._j. Cut himself and he left his blood at the scene. Karan's heroics resulted in physical evidence of o._j. Being at the scene o._j. Walks across the driveway which leads to the garages for both nicole's condo and the next door neighbors and he walks up to his ford bronco <music> which he parked in front of the neighbor's garage behind a hedge before he gets into the bronco he removes the dark colored track suit that he was wearing which was now all covered with blood while doing this he spills a bunch of change on the ground he shoves the tracksuit into a bag along with a knife and gets in the bronco and turns his mission inside the bronco. He smears the center console three times leaving three stains of blood all three containing a combination combination of ron nicole's and his own blood from his hand. Would there was also a fourth staying on the console that contained the blood of just rhonette o._j.'s and and again this is what ron was able to do. It was not only able to place o._j. At the scene but by fighting back and causing that wound he was was able to not only leave that o._j.'s blood was at the scene but o._j. Left a combination of ron cole and o._j. Himself leaving no doubt o._j.'s the killer and i go back and i think for so for me during criminal case the d._n._a. Was really like the moment for me. I mean i i didn't have have any strong opinion of guilt or innocence. You know walking into that trial. I don't remember feeling that i remember that the the the science was like oh. You can't argue with science on the science girl so i just i i've joked about it the poor robin cotton you know she was the the dna expert she just was so yes i like her like and so now you find you get someone more animated you get someone that has a little bit more critical when they're explaining liles and you know all the specifics that just kind of go over most of our heads. The dreary didn't get it. They just an even when you looked at the board that marcia put up that said you know one in seven hundred billion whatever the you probably have that more than me but like the statistics were so overwhelming that it couldn't be anybody but him they just didn't they didn't get it. Yeah you know and so i said how can you. How could you not doc it. I mean again you know it makes perfect sense to me but there are people that just wants all planted many many people when you hear o. J. simpson what they <hes> <hes> get taken back to is the moments they were watching the slow speed chase with this bronco so this bronco it plays a key role but not everything having to do with this bronco uncle made it into the trial in fact a lot of the evidence having to do with said bronco was held back by the prosecution so in this bronco that o._j.'s escaping and he transfers i drop nicole's blood onto the carpet under the steering wheel he backs out of the driveway into the alley and starts heading towards his house on rockingham he drives semi carefully down the alley at first but then he starts to gun it once he gets back onto bundy which is kind of a busy street. He's headed to his home which is about two miles away and on on this route boulevard and there's a big center island on this particular street he blows through a red light causing him to almost hit volkswagen beetle being driven by a woman named. Jill shively joe slams on the brakes. No j. swerves and ends up on the median. She said i. I felt fear that anger anger. I mean the self entitlement. Why was this person driving like this. They had to be drunk. She looked at the man in the bronco. I knew it was a football player right away. The guy began yelling at the car in the westbound lane. That's when i realized it was o._j. Simpson i just seen him in a movie naked gun thirty be three and a third now even if you consider yourself very verse in the o._j. Case you don't know who jill shively is now. Jill comes up a lot in in kim's podcast so essentially she witnessed o._j. Speeding away from the crime scene on the ninth in the timeframe that the crime occurred and she was going going to be a witness for the prosecution and marsha urged her not do any media interviews anything that could undermine her testimony because it was so valuable so jill ended up doing interview and getting paid five thousand dollars to do it completely discrediting. Her and marsha also hurt some other information that she was calm and who's not reliable the ball. She's a woman who interviewed on our podcast and you know jill told kim in his interview you know marsha. Marsha told me i'm the reason that o._j.'s free. I'm the reason that the case was blown so this is significant. You're very clear in that. There's a there's a lot of people that you can pin blame onto but ultimately there's the blame for one person and it's the killer and and that's that's it and then you have the smokescreen of the trial and and and there's a lot of other people that you can kind of pin pin little bits of blame to but you don't do that which is kind of amazing because you know it's not cowardice though because i mean after twenty five years ears you can't have that not you so you're talking to people like when you were when you were talking to marcia clark and marsha did not allow allow the testimony of shy vely and charlie is the woman that apparently said she had almost run into ajay because o._j. Was driving without lights ran a red light on saturday and bundy to not allow that when when there's so many other people that are saying she should have allowed that because that places him at least near the crime scene how you you were very gracious in that i think i i've said this for for twenty plus years that you know marshawn chris and and the prosecutorial team sacrificed so much to put this case on and what they endured professionally personally the only people that are advocating for my brother so it's really hard for me to find fault in their decisions because a prosecutor persecutor be. I don't understand all the evidence <hes> see. I wasn't in the room at the time. I don't know all the information. I'm sure there's things that marcia is still not going to reveal <hes>. I'm sure there's things using jewison example that we still might not know so somewhere in the middle again. There's probably more of the truth and as you go through it and then you get to the jury and they're telling you really made a difference. It's not worth so worth me getting angry. That wouldn't mattered so. Let's give back to the events unfolding what happened after jill shively encountered o._j. And has bronco o._j. Ends up at rockingham. He it goes into the house sees leading blood everywhere gets into the shower leaves. Bloody socks gets into a limo and then they drive to l._a._x. At l._a._x. He is seen by a witness throwing away something out of a black bag. It was a little zipper bag he said and he just zipped it a little bit from the bottom just in the first hand to given the bag and he was pulling items out of it and putting it into a trash can and for those of you who don't know rockingham is his mansion that was on a street called rockingham for so when we reference rockingham that's his estate in in that area and then he takes off on his eleven forty five american airlines flight to chicago to go to the golf outing and o._j. At this point is is presumably setting up an alibi. He was not wasting any time getting on a flight to chicago. You know you're you're the one victim them family member. That has been through everything. You've you've heard it. You sat through nine months of a trial more than anybody else really. You've you have the stomach for it but does it get. It doesn't get easier but what is it. What is when you're dealing with the minutia a new show of the evidence do you how does that are you able to separated at all fan rochelle from the emotion now and uh-huh yes or no. I think that as i as i've matured in this process i i've always been really able to recognize it. My heart mind don't always coincide <hes> i think now i'm frustrated with people that that only choose to see bits and pieces of the evidence the answer don't understand it or or read those stupid like dark web. Weird websites make no sense at all. I mean i get bombarded headed by emails from people that should see the crazy stuff that i mean so all the conspiracy theory thing yeah but they just find things. I'm like that doesn't even want even talked talked about coming up with this stuff but so. I think that that part of me is frustrated because i don't wanna debate the case with all these years later. I don't have conversations about out every single piece of evidence because you either believe or you don't at this point. I don't need to try to convince you of a time line and convince you of all of the d._n._a. Convince you of why brothers hair and fiber were places it. It shouldn't be if the killer wasn't the killer like there's certain things that i i don't. I'm tired of some of that. <hes> you know my brother was air. Quoting my brother was drug addict news sleeping with a married woman and he got what's coming to him like that's steph. I'm dealing now more than on people arguing over the merits of the actual evidence because i don't think people care about that anymore as weird as that is <hes> because it's gone it's gone from <hes> and even almost from the very beginning it went from science to emotion right if you're like me and you cannot get enough off of true crime podcast. 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You'll never run out of true crime content again so follow today and true crime for free on spotify or anywhere that you listen to podcasts so we know that the trial of o. j. simpson was the trial of the century in the mass media coverage it received but just these these homicides themselves i mean the shock of families the vast coverage it was receiving. It was like nothing else truly the there. I mean the fact that everybody in our country was getting such. An intimate view of what was happening has never really happened before. It's never happened before before this and he's never really happened before this. It was the they would call the trial of the century the lindbergh baby trial that was at lynn baby trial then it was this limited baby trial l. was happening before before cable television for television before anything this was seen by more people than probably will ever be seen ever and not only that so so we were not the trial at this phase. I mean we all know what happens in the trial so we're not trying to set up any sort of twist at the end but the the the slow speed bronco chase really set sets a tone and it was ninety million people. I think watch that from their homes. We all in this is kind of a big theme in our podcast. We watch these things in horror on our t._v.'s. He's and then we turn it off and we go to bed in our life kind of goes back to normal but in this particular instance this media coverage that was has mis characterizing ron and sort of kind of commanding america at this time like this isn't something the goldmans could turn off and it's so in a jewish tradition you bury somebody but you don't unveil a headstone until a year later in that is supposed to mark the end end of the grief. This grief has never ended for the goldmans <hes> but in this ceremony which was is hugely important in the jewish faith breath it was it took place on like a sloping beautiful hill at the foot of a pine tree in beth olam cemetery which is jewish section of valley oaks memorial park in all of ron's friends and family in all these guests attended this unveiling in it was a granite headstone and avail was lifted from the small grey cemetery marker and it was inscribed with the words loving son brother and friend ronald lyle goldman july second nineteen sixty sixty eight june twelfth nineteen ninety-four fed goldman broke down in tears will speaking about his son his wife patti goldman stepped up and put her arm around him near the grave stood a large arrangement of yellow and blue flowers. A miniature american flag was placed near the marker so although ron was officially laid to rest his headstone unveiled tribute paid at a burial ceremony. This is not where his story or the goldman story ends not even close and i say that in the proof is in the fact that we're talking about it here today. In that ron goldman and nicole brown's murders reverberate you know the lack of justice in oggi's he's acquittal reverberates it upsets people it gets people so impassioned angered to this day and it's been twenty five years so so there are a lot of things we heard in this episode that really make us feel like shit but i found something that i think is a nice way to end the discussion about ron goldman so we were all trying to get to know ron through this episode and i found out what ron did two nights before he died which sort of comforted me and it was the last friday of his life to ron date with a model he has been seeing in her name was tiffany star star according to her he was brimming with energy that night they went to dinner. It took a stroll through venice each and they looked at the ocean. They walked by boutiques on main street in venice and they were just having an amazing time in los angeles police that he really really loved in one boutique window. Ron noticed a metal. Which is the symbol that was so important to him. He was going to have the restaurant he was going to open in this layout. He had a tattoo of one of these on his shoulder. It it just really embodied who he was. It is an ancient egyptian symbol for eternal. Life and addictions believed that one's earthly journey was only part sort of an additional life. The onc symbolizes both mortal existence in the afterlife and the goldmans also had the symbol etched into his gravestone on in this symbol isn't appropriate metaphor four ron because although his life was stolen and cut short he lives on through kim's very obvious v._s. Passion that she has forget attaining justice for her brother and for confronting his killer you know what's interesting just about in this conversation and it's not anything negative towards the two of you alexis injected because the different generation and so i think what was important for me about doing the podcast was to level the playing field because would you may have been able to witness from in terms of how the case has been perceived what evidence you know you. You've been watching the fictional b._s. <hes> it was important for me to to make sure that i added some facts to the story to make sure that that i was in control of something that's been out of control for me to be able to turn turned the corner a little bit on something that i think has gotten so far away from what the case was originally about <hes> and so it's been interesting that i've there's a whole new generation of people that are interested in this <hes> and for people that keep telling me to get over it you know i i struggle struggle with that because it's out of i don't get to <hes> and as long as he's alive and as long as people still have strong feelings about our justice system and about him in this case i got to figure out a way to work my way through it on this is a huge part of my life and i didn't ask for it in even if i'm minding my own business one day because i'm sitting at a basketball game with my son or something my phone blows up because of some stupid crap on the internet like i don't get to just completely escape from it <hes> this whole concept of moving on and getting over it and closure it just doesn't exist when you're someone who has suffered loss whether it's high profile or on a traumatic way lost seats with you and you figure out a way and some days you're better at it than others and i think it's discussing people are saying you to get over it or probably still the people better like inundating you one hundred percent a hundred percent. That's saying and i think that you know it you know i i won't we did oprah a handful of years ago in the if i did a book came out and an oprah told me to find closure and i just need to move past or whatever and then you know within weeks. She said that that would be her biggest. Get to get him as an interview and i'm like kate. You just told me to get over it. You just told me to move on and you're you're pursuing an interview with him. Like how do those two things reconcile with each other and i am. I don't cite the process. As much as i try i to figure out a way to stay above the fray and i try to find balance and i had someone some lady. She's a big tiller lover. She sent me the other day that you know she's a mother. She should be at home mothering like what so. I can't be an advocate. I can't even the passionate about things. I can't believe in victim's rights. I can't fight eight for what i believe in because i'm a mom like what better legacy from two to teach my kid be a role model to teach my kid like and since when people do both in a double murder on its own is horrific is terrifying beyond words in the implications at these murders in the residual effects were immeasurable. Possibly the only thing that rivaled the impact of the murders themselves was the trial the verdict and what came after in that is what we intend to cover in part two so this is the most analyzed crime in american history other than maybe the j._f._k. Assassination so what did we learn today. Well i think a good question would be what did we learn today. Yeah and i think for me. I can't even talk about the case anymore but seem kim in person. <hes> resilience is possible and i think i mean imagine carrying this burden for twenty five years like trying to get your your brother justice. After you saw his killer walk free i mean she's the picture of strength so i think what i learned not giving attention into the case that has been gone over a million times but to kim and her podcast and what she's doing. She's healing through this passion. She's she's keeping your brother's memory alive through this passion and you know what she's condemning o._j. Rightfully through this passion and i think it's so amazing yeah and she's tried to do television shows and she gets cut down at every turn and then she turned to podcasting and that's why i love podcasting because it's striking out everything and it's the saying you you know what it's just a person and their voice and the listener and the truth and that's while and she can say probably for the first time time ever exactly whatever the fuck she wants to say especially to him directly and if he listens to it or not it's getting it's getting sad. It's getting put out there publicly the lesson oh he'll listen to him. He's too obsessed with themselves too much fucking narcissist so i mentioned this briefly before this was our tribute to ron and ron story ron went through ron's heroism kind of the untold unknown facets of ron and it is really important for us to do apart one standalone episode for ron but there are a million things that we learned as far as what happened in the aftermath of these murders that will blow your mind even if you think you know everything about the o._j. Case so that is all coming up in cart to so until next week. If you guys have a first degree connection please email us at hello the first degree podcast dot com. Please don't damn alexis anymore because because she's getting overwhelmed with the flood of d._m.'s. How does it feel to be famous lexus <laughter>. It feels really bad to be famous mostly because i'm not ought to be it's mostly that instagram overwhelms me. That's why i'm bad at it so d._m.'s are just you know not the most productive deductive medium for me emails good. I'm at the office. You can always give me an email right shooter an email <hes> also go to the first degree podcast dot com and get yourself some her little merch photo shoot here sometime soon and billy you wanna pug book time sure it's called chased me and i and i'm on book tour right now. For the next forever. 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One andy mike and jason fantasy footballers welcoming u. the u._n. To another episode it's wednesday august fourteenth. We got the top ten quarterbacks on the show today some huge announcements we have buyer sell. We even are gonna talk tight. Hyde ins as well as i say quarterbacks which we do the last two episodes of quarterbacks. Good news already did it. This is where i check the news and notes. I see the andrew luck's name in there and i see case keenum's name. We're talking quarterbacks jason. I apologize. I can't wait to talk case keenum daniel joe everybody. Everybody just turned off their podcast lick. No jam packed show. We're excited to have you in with us. If you're brand new to the fantasy footballers were a five save our name a week podcast and <hes>. We're happy to have you with us. We're gonna help you win your league going to help you approach things the the right way in your draft gonna have fun doing it. No doubt about it. 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I can just show every single week updates on sunday. I mean there's there's tons of stuff happening over. Were there joined the foot dot com all right without further ado let's get into our question of this wednesday you buy or sell presented by pristine auction. All right buyer sell time guys. We're doing it again because it's wednesday titans wide receiver corey. Davis will outperform his current average opposition of nine. Oh six sell this sorry. It's not a race. I felt like i was on a game show and sometimes corey davis. It may feel like a race to sell. That is the wide receiver forty two that is that is a long way down the list mike but we'll we'll he outperform wide receiver forty okay. It's still our last year sixty five receptions eight hundred ninety one yards four touchdowns every time that mike <hes> says sell. I get worried that i am not going to be allowed to also select a sal which would be my choice. I realized wide receiver forty. Two is very low should be easy to beat but corey davis. Davis had all the opportunity in the world last year. Let me let me illustrate that with. Please join who had a higher target share jar jarvis slander or corey davis core davis jarvis landry. I got you say over the trick question to to emphasize this adam feeling or corey. Davis remember how many targets anything that will get yeah yeah. It's corey davis who would hire targets year corey davis or antonio brown. No no no. He's trying to trick as again. That's that's the problem with corey days not more targets. We're talking market share but percentage of team target. Yes yes it. I'm selling i'm selling. I don't think he outperforms it. Adam humphreys a target hound. They want to run the football with derrick henry delaney wash. It was not there. They added the brown and they're a team that wants to run the ball so yeah corey davis. I am no longer. I don't think i ever was a huge believer but i've i was. I was really disappointed. He's i think he's a good player. I just think he's in a bad situation. You put him on a different team. Higher pass volume. I think he does work always harder to get higher. It's only his third season. He's coming into as well. I saw brooks put entering year three year. Three narrative brooks hasn't been dynasty. I don't i don't know i just think we're getting used to our expectations for wideouts. Problem is the the performance at last year with the market share that he had what was his fantasy finish. I can have an twenty eighteen. He was the wide receiver twenty eight. Yeah i mean he could definitely finish inside right forty two. I'm still selling it. Humphries is going to soak up targets walker brown. The market share goes down the team. Run the football. I'm selling yeah. I mean if he finishes wide receiver thirty six. He outperformed it but i i'm still selling because there are other guys at where he's going that. I think have a higher chance to finish asia better than corey. Davis seahawks running back chris carson. We'll have at least thirty receptions this season. There's been a lot about <hes> chris carson having the best hands on the team and they want his targets to be at least in the fifty range okay so let his bat last year he had twenty receptions for one hundred and sixty three yards on twenty five targets and fourteen games. I'm buying. I'm buying no more doug baldwin a lot of talk about involving carson and rashad penny and let's not forget. Mike davis quite a few vacated targeted it. Mike davis leaving. I'm buying chris carson more than thirty receptions. I definitely think he's more than thirty receptions. I mean he was on pace last year for twenty three receptions. That's what she wants. He got the start in week three. You know if you remember those first two weeks he he wasn't that involved <hes> so yeah slight pick-up mike davis being on. I'm <music>. I'm i'm rising alah on chris cars. I'm buying that. The line was set too low. I think thirties thirties not a ton forty. You'd if you had put the line at forty would be harder. Here's watch this. The line is now forty. I would sell. I think he's going to be in the thirties. I would also sell and and i will say this to your point. Mike forty is the number at which i mean arbitrarily set but that's the number where i view a running back as being heavily involved in the passing game all right you got. Let's do more let me see. Let me see eagles wide receiver alshon. Jeffery will top nine nine hundred yards receiving for the first time since twenty four. Yes buy sell you're going to you're going to sell twenty nineteen. Mike twenty four team was awhile ago okay but has been a a number of years since he's done it so i think it's a fair alshon. Jeffery played in thirteen games last year. How many yards on jeffrey free have eight hundred and forty-three guess. That's very very close to nine hundred with missing three games that is a that is very fair but i think that the additions <hes> on this team of mile sanders catching the ball out of the backfield whiteside to sean jackson dallas got her go to yeah i mean it's it's one of those things where that's not. That's not now landers sell it. I don't think he gets nine hundred. I think he may score a bunch but i don't think he is nine hundred yards receiving if if he doesn't get nine hundred yards receiving your prediction of carson wentz leading the league in passing yards is not happening. I don't agree with that i i do. I think if he doesn't get nine hundred yards receiving he will have done what he's done the last five years which is not get to that point and carson wentz was just fine <hes> <hes> with alshon jeffery not getting to that point in two seasons ago so i don't think he needs the yardage. He may be twelve touchdowns. You're seeing sounds sounds for fantasy value. Yeah a white shirt for fancy value or for carson's fancy value carson in my opinion doesn't need alshon to go for eleven hundred yards. How many other guy i'm talking nine hundred yards e. That's an easy by for me. Okay so jason yourself missile by yourself from pristine auction. Check him out of pristine action dot com. Let's get into the news news notes from around the league presented by sleeper. Everybody wants to talk about andrew lock. Also nobody wants to talk about andrew luck yeah. I'm tired of it. Colts general manager senator chris ballard came out said the ankle needs to be addressed yesterday. It was a small little bone being reported by a man who doesn't know medicine jim irsay the latest report tested. The ankle yesterday saw a specialist high english by the calf gallard english. This is what if you make fun of this show for below the shin comments how dare you the last two days small little bone high ankle ish jason. You are a medical genius. I got my doctorate at harvard. How are you feeling today a little wink clich. Here's the thing fowler didn't guarantee he'd be ready for week. One we spoke to dr david chow briefly at pro football document. You don't follow him. Um you should follow him <hes>. He's one of the most trustworthy injury experts in the game. Here's what he said to us. There's very little chance the andrew luck will be one hundred percent week one of the regular season. He's not suggesting that he won't play but the report right now. Is that look. There's not a clear diagnosis. They've said no surgery. It's gonna be rehab so the good news according to david chow it's his lead leg. It's not the push off leg. He can still play quarterback but how mobile will andrew luck be which is a part of his game and if he plays at eighty five or ninety percents. What is that me so. Medically we do know that he won't be one hundred percent. That's what david chow said and if he's not mobile mean what are now what's the increased odds of him getting beat up more increasing in making the injury worse. I don't know their offense of line is improved proved that show but you still have to be able to move around and protect yourself if you if you have to be a statue in the pocket then you either needed make excellent ball gets out right away if you hit. If you listen to frank reich talk about this issue he makes the point of saying look. Andrew lock is a freak intellectually and physically clean if he can get out on the field. He doesn't need much time and he will progress much faster than you expect. We saw that last year. People are freaking out about not throwing a hail mary in week guan they didn't freak out the rest of the season when he was the number whatever quarterback top-five fantasy quarterback so where's your confidence level will you. I know we don't draft the andrew luck of the world very often. Maybe now you can now now. I mean i'm exactly what i said yesterday. If andrew luck drops into that ninth or tenth round i might take him pair him with a josh allen late so that have got protection for the beginning of the season. I'm fine with that other than other than getting him. Near the double digit rounds like he's off my board at current eighty p no chance what i take away a wide receiver running back that could get you know in the sixth or seventh round to who drafted guy that might not be there. He is dropping on fantasy football calculator on august fifth. He was going at the back of the fourth and now he's going at the back of the fifth. Is that a would you call that a small little drop. It is way too high still way too high. It's a big small english drop yeah. I mean you you start to get into the top of the seventh round with the news we have today i would be taking my shots and andrew luck knowing that if he plays you gotta top five guy yeah freaks me out man i should. I sent t. See why hilton dynasty trades yesterday. Oh die dynasty yeah. I'm playing to win this year and if i can swap t._y. For another guy believing even doesn't have the variable. That's how i approach it but he's dominating so <hes> redskins coach jay gruden said darius areas guy still hasn't been fully cleared to play. It's not happening for dairy skies this year. This is why you want. We've said early in the offseason in the middle of the off-season and now he's not the back that you want to trust. There's just been this time line for his recovery if he's just not going to magically overnight be at one hundred percent so adrian peterson right now i think is a value darius. Guys is still up in the air with all the injury issues. Even if it was one hundred percent there's no guarantee of the workload he gets with peterson and thomson an offense is not one that i'm a fan of if darius guys was in this boat on on the existing kansas city chiefs roster. I'd be looking a little bit differently at the possibilities but it's not a lot of upside case. Keenum looks like the front runner to start point in case. Oh so there you go redskins quarterback case keenum cool. I i think this is a little bit of an indictment on where dwayne haskins is that right. Now i know eighty nine weren't giant fans of his potential coming out of college judge but you know i've been wrong before lot to be determined. Antonio brown arrived at training camp with his agent like that. He came with his age but this this is great news news for like browns back. He's gonna play and if you bought the dip. That's what congratulations golden tate losses appeal jason for the four-game suspension. Go to you for live reaction. I know how jason was. He said a word for awhile and he was just hoping hoping hoping he could come on here and <unk>. Oh gloated <hes> but of course this was obvious and everything from the beginning suspension suspension would be upheld. I don't think it should have been. You just wanted to believe you just wanted to believe at one of these guys was gonna. I want want to tell the truth. Yes shame on me. <hes> kenyan drake was spotted in a walking boo left practice his early yesterday walking boot to start practice today mummum. This has been part of the problem for kenyan drake getting a little banged up not not gonna help him establish himself as one no gives an opportunity for the bellagio mr kaelin balaj right now kaelin balaj seems to be the better ed value out of these two guys in fancy drafts as kenyan drake still is going way ahead of him. <hes> you know i'm i'm not extremely concerned about at this until we find out specifics on what it is. That's that's the way people should approach it. I haven't moved him until but if you know if he's in a boot again tomorrow carl we'll evaluate tomorrow that was today's news and notes brought to you as always by sleeper where the mega lable is also hosted where it swims <hes> <hes> were were the mega bowl swims. Okay i can get. I can get behind that are we've got jason. Can't we've got top ten tight end rankings. Some sleeper tight in picks picks on the way before we get into it. We want to thank the sponsors that support this podcast. Look you know how challenging hiring is before. We did this podcast. We worked for a gaming company always looking to hire qualified candidates would spend forever trying to do it to find qualified. Applicants still not always ending up at the right hiring situation that we wanted. 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Show every predated the week and it still feels like there's too much going on right now. <hes> there's just all the camp reports and injuries in preseason game like it's exciting but there's just so much happening. Let's double our shows now jas hours how now now stop i just want to let you know i was in jason. Do an exclusive secondary show medical advice only yes. It's the below. The pine county in wristy ankle is all right top. Ten tied-in rankings plus some sleeper tight right in picks on the show today interesting. We've got the same chart that we had yesterday yesterday. We were looking at where quarterbacks finished in reality relative to their average draft position going into twenty eighteen. There was one quarterback back to outperform their average opposition. His name was andrew luck. There was one that was the same kirk cousins. Average opposition was nine finish nine the rest. You were probably disappointed in your selection. You probably happy with the shawn watson because you draft intimate to finish five when you look at the tight end position last year. Gronk was the the number one tight end off the board now. These these are points per game finished. We're talking. That's correct. <hes> gronk was the tied in one off the the board finished at eight kelsey and you were happy. He was the tight end to finish number. One zach was tied in three finish number two. We'll talk about them today. Otherwise well you yeah you big you you. Have you know jimmy graham at four finishing twenty first greg olszyna five finishing fifteenth and and again these are points per game so it's not just oh they got injured. It's just they they stunk and so here's the reality. If you remember last season there was the big three and then him garbage right it was it was gronk kelsey and hurts and then it was a tier break off of a cliff. You know the same one that the you're running running down the river and there's a waterfall at the end. It's that cliff. That's what it was last year and you saw that that came true this year i would say do. Do you guys agree that. There's kind of a second there. There's a big three but this little middle tier sliver of a couple of guys that i think are more interesting than they were last year and then the cliff then the cliff. I hope you're right about that. I hope we're right about that. I hope there is that secondary tier and it's not a mirage. That's what i help the nice thing about the the middle tier this year. It's not the issue. You're not trying to get the value from the older guys which you still can but it's tough to give up a middle round pick. You know jimmy graham greg olsen. These are older guys for the n._f._l. They aren't the up and coming tight ends and this year those guys go into the middle. Those are the up and coming tight ends of of o._j. Howard evan ingram and hunter henry all young guys who still have have room to grow. I think that i am taking the tight end approach of if i don't get the five any of the five at the right draft so who's your six that is left out <hes> i'm howard and henry's the one the okra ingram and howard or in that category and the top three but you know scott barrett tweeted about this. I heard it on a podcast a couple of weeks ago the tight in scoring specifically the middle tied in six through twelve. It is disintegrated disintegrate over the last couple of years. It's the lowest that the tight end six through twelve has scored in the last ten years. It's not a place where you're finding value. Well the n._f._l.'s those changing. The tight end used to be the safety blanket if no one was open. I knew that the tight end was there. I could check it down to him now. They check it down to the running back. So if if you look at running back rousseff shout out to dennis pitta famous chuck down master as the running back receptions go up you can see the tight end receptions going down so there's only one are you. You have the same kind of you have the exact same five while i do like hunter henry and even vance mcdonald a little bit i you know they're they're two you guys that i'm not sure how much more i like them than some of the just i can take with my last round. Pick guys. We'll talk about that at the end of the show. Some of those super league guys that i'd be okay leaving the draft with and i would. I think if i don't get one of those top five. I'm leaving with one of the guys we're talking about at the end of the show all right travis kelsey is the number number one tight end in football the last three years he's one to one. He's a guaranteed. He's guaranteed production at the position. He has the m._v._p. <hes> <hes> throwing him the football. He's got one of the best offenses in football he had one hundred and fifty targets last year thirteen hundred plus yards and ten touchdowns. He broke the n._f._l. Record for yardage at title position for about an hour and then george kills like i'll take that but you're pretty good anyways so last year. We only had one game that qualified as a bust that was week one when people are like oh no oh patrick mahomes is no alex smith just not that he's not an alex that he's not better than alex smith but we didn't know we had no clue patrick. Mahomes tendencies would be an outside in yeah. I mean i raised my hand as guilty like that the that rattled nerves yeah it did and then he rattled off the rest of the entire season which is unbelievable so we don't need to say much about kelsey he other then you have to talk about early the number one tight end but are you willing to pay that second round pick to take a tight end hoots onesie position. Yes you should theoretically be dominant at tat but also last year. Theoretically you should have been dominant taking rob gronkowski in the second round as well. It just feels different than that though he's played sixteen fifteen sixteen games last three years actually the two years before he played sixteen as well. I haven't taken him okay. I don't know why i probably should jason jason do you have you taken him in many of your marks in the second round <hes> if y- i mean i i think he's a worthy pick. Their the reality is wanted positions sessions. We usually try to avoid go late. Stack running backs and wide receivers but there's just such a huge gap between the depth that you have a quarterback where it's like you know there's twenty two quarterbacks. I actually like there are three tight ends and i actually like and then there's two that i'm like maybe and that's it. I don't want to if i can get value on one of the top three. I'm gonna take him. I think it makes sense especially. If those middling finishes that titans six twelve that's the guys that finished in that spot and they still have the lowest scoring than they've had over the last ten years. I mean there's a big point gap. We bring up the fact that you know trey. Burton finished the tight and seven last year which is like oh yay but that was terrible. I mean trey burton was trash yeah because he was thirteen in actual points per game. You just happen to be there right. Zakar is our consensus to i'm very tempted to flip flop him and george kittle right. Now alya urges to kittles three. I'm probably going to change that very soon but this is the way the stats broke out right now but last year was such an outlier season for zakar. It's which you say wait. He's a really good player of course he is. He's an amazing player. He still we were just talking about alshon jeffery nine hundred yards jeffery was hurt to sean jackson wasn't there <hes> there are reasons to believe that the one hundred fifty six targets zakar. It's it's aren't going to approach that total. Mike wallis who was brought in to be the deep threat for the team last year missed essentially the entire season and the zachert parts is great but will he return value on the pick. Will he be that much of a difference maker like we believe travis kelsey will be you look at zacharias game long. Once i mean at the beginning of the season it was double digit targets in all but two games through week nine he was he he was just an absolute vacuum for targets after that they make a trade they bring golden tate in and golden tate is there for for seven having games and in that time zacharias went double digit targets only twice he was on a pace of eight targets a game which is still outstanding for a tight tight end but if you only scored three times in that time period as well. Is that production enough to make you spend what where's he going via fourth round pick right hours you third-round let me see the eighty three. Oh no i'm not i'm not paying and i will and i will say that because you you know you talk about that. Will you pay it for seventy four receptions for eight hundred twenty four yards and eight touchdowns i if he gets one hundred twenty eight targets which would be the what you said if he was getting eight targets a game that the few times and that's about where i've got him. I think he will return value in the sense that i don't have to play the game name. It will return value to use a fantasy owner right to remove that variable exam your life because the issue is something that hurts ooh. I think i dad gun crude enough at finding wide receivers and running backs in the middle rounds that are going to outperform their you know their situation. I'm better at that than i am finding hits tight in in round eight or nine or seven. That's going to outperform it so yes you do lose something taking that tight in you do and i don't think zakar has good season as he had last year in fact he's mine number number three. I've i i do have kill higher than zakar. It's this year and a half point p._r. Leagues <hes> there should be a target regression coming for him but target get regression regression down to the one hundred twenty. S is still going to be a very known commodity at a position that is so difficult to succeed exceed with on a week to week basis. I think that's a pretty compelling angle for zakar. It's there because the price it's three. Oh nine it's not it's really not reflective of people expecting one hundred sixteen receptions in eleven sixty. Three and eight is it. I would imagine if you're expecting that he'd go higher. He'd be in the kelsey draft rain. It's compelling to say hey sure i can play roulette. I can go for around guy but i don't want to isn't that part of fantasy. You want to deal with on a weekly basis also part of that is your opportunity cost of paying that price ford ford george key for for arts or kill because they're going back to back and those guys that you could miss in that in the time that it's actually so you're pick wants to turn has come around dave montgomery josh jacobs stefan digs chris carson julian edelman mean <hes> now. I know i didn't dress eckerson. Any of my mocked yeah exactly. It's it's it all comes down to the opportunity cost but if you if you wanna play like jason and be a little baby about your tight end that's what you're gonna do. You're gonna take one of the top three. He wants he wants the easy route with the tight end. Position was set it and forget it. Yeah you know i want. I want to have got her to inflex. Got it out. I wanna have my fantasy roster at every position. Be an advantage over the opponent when it comes to quarterbacks. I'm i'm confident that i can have an advantage over my opponent. Streaming meaning implying guy off of waivers based on the match up over the last couple of seasons. It has not been as easy to stream the tight end position to actually with the matchup ago. This teams bat against titan. I'm gonna roll with this guy and sometimes it works but a lot of times it doesn't i i just believe in our ability at running back and wide receiver to patch that whole easier than patching the whole of titan yeah and you're right. Mike wants tate. Was there fillon roll. The target share went significantly down for soccer. It's over that period of time. Dallas goddard's banged up right. Now should be back for the regular season. It'll be interesting to see how your thoughts on god are jason congenial with your your hope for erz because you will be a here. Here's a remember i told you i can see the future yes sometimes when whenever it goes my way those are the times uh-huh there will be plenty of place where zakar owners jump out of their couch put their fist in the air and go yeah an owner. Oh got it now. What catching that test now. What were they doing inside of their couch. That's the real question if they're gonna jump out of the <hes> the couch you don't sit inside your couch on. Mike and i both in our couches wrong. Tell me all right george kid you call them a little baby and then we ganged up on like we say in our couches when he pointed out on the dublin comment. Oh man you're you're. We did praise your medical advice. Though today number three george kittle last year one hundred thirty six targets thirteen hundred seventy seven yards and five touchdowns george kibbe was exhilarating to own on my fantasy team part because i got him off of waiver wire <hes> this year. You got to pay the three pay your price. They are back to back if you want kettle if you want erz they're both at the very back of the third and they're back to back in picks so you just you're taking either the leftover which right now would be killed on an average or you're choosing to take over. I don't think you can stop what george kill does best in the n._f._l. I don't believe he can i. I don't believe that teams are going to approach. It's not like they weren't trying to stop him last year but i don't think you get to go into this year this year. No big place george kill. You don't have the available people full to cover a player that can do it. He did twenty receptions of twenty plus yards. That is the most among tight ends it was tied with robert woods for eighth most among all all pass catchers. He is who valuable of a weapon on a team that needs weapons. He is a physical dominant freak. We're talking to ninetieth with percentile spark athlete. Two hundred and fifty pounds runs a to four a to a new baby twenty. He's a tesla yeah. I mean look there. Were a lot of model g. The happened <hes>. There were a lot of things that happened last year to allow them to buy all right. We must break in here. I don't mind it the model g. I don't mind it at all. I tried. I tried all right yeah. I'll out run under tutu do so <hes> you know he obviously a lot of things happened to allow him to break the n._f._l. Record that aren't necessarily going to happen there will be. I still believe in dante. Pettis lettuces <hes> having the ability to step up and you bring into other rookies but he has the ability. It's what andy saying like. You don't just break it because other guys went down. You don't break the all time n._f._l. Record he's great and what is convinced me recently. Is you know i've been because of dante pettis and all the news coming out of india night both really high on pettus pettus and then stuff starts looking bad as a motivational as it real but among all of the research. I've been doing pettus. The one thing that keeps sticking out to me from all all the beat reporters including not opinion but actually tracked targets through training camp is that george kibble is the clear number one target for this team. Whatever you believe in perez or depot or jalen hurd it is kittle who is the centerpiece of the offense. That's what i've become convinced so barring injury. I do think he's going to be great and i'm willing just like with zakar. Obviously i've got him ahead of eckerd's willing to take him there. Do you have any concern at all throwing throwing it out there. We haven't seen kit will do it with jimmy g. No that's where i was. That was part of my issue was we. We haven't seen that but when i think rob lowe is a good quarterback. I believe garoppolos a good quarterback but maybe he doesn't target the tight end as as much as heavily rely on the better he he better but that's where the targets through training camp. He's so far ahead of everyone else. In the target volume through training camp that just shows oh he is in the number one guy yeth f- evan angrily evan ingram evan ingram. Yes number four tied in consensus rankings. I drafted evan in ingram more than any player in any mock draft that i have done he's going at eighty five eleven. I think probably drafted him in the sixth round in the majority of the mocks where i have taken him evan ingram. Is this your shorts kettle. I don't mind it. There aren't great passing corruptions odell. Beckham junior is gone. You obviously have saquon out of the backfield. Sterling shepherd is banged up. Cody latimer has was maybe never has never been and and <hes> you know especially the first four weeks of the season ingram has the camp buzz you need. He was a player that last season ended on a high. I note had a sixteen game pace of sixty five or sections for eight hundred thirty nine yards on ninety three targets and again another one of those athletic hybrid reeks that can make big plays happened one big play from george kit. One big play from evan ingram changes changes your entire week is a fantasy owners so i love the value of evan ingram if you're an a._p._r. League i like him a lot more. I don't expect him to be a touchdown monster. You know we're now into the tear. We're talking about evan ingram o._j. Howard and possibly hunter henry and and when you talk about the breakout the okay someone's going to break into that top three either either become clear fourth or beat one of those top three. I think you're going to need touchdowns but in those middle to late if he drops into the six round in a full p p r league. I think he's he's just too important to the offense. You know there's a lot of quality tight ends like the difference too between evan ingram and hunter henry is evan ingram could very well lead that team in targets whereas hunter henry has no chance whatsoever so i if you're in a p._r. A big fan of <hes> if you if you said buy-sell i sell evan. Ingram leads the team in receptions. I would probably sell it. I would if you said leads the team in yards. I might buy it yeah that makes sense yeah and he's evan. Ingram has been awesome. When odell beckham has been off the field. He has shown the ability to step up. When beckham is off the field he's up to nearly eight targets game almost sixty receiving yards a game and he has the big play ability that not many tight ends have he was a first round pick. This is only his third season. I think i i think ingram's upside. Is i agree with you and he his upside is is this your george this year's george kettle although he's not free or latent drafts needs to stay healthy yep needs to get rid of the drop the problem that he's had on and off throughout his career. How much does seeing daniel jones even a small sample size nursery season. Mike affect your affect your view of if dana john's has to come in i mean does it. That's been a concern right like we've seen we've seen ally. Manning willing ailing to grow to evan ingram does the offense turn to a halt if he's switched out for daniel jones. Jason said yes it hurts them. I think in the question question it is a red flag forever ingram but at the same time he's just he's a great player according to the n._f._l. Next gen stats no player has averaged a greater separation on their routes run than evan ingram as as in he would get the most open so as long as daniel jones is looking for mm-hmm. Ingraham is gonna be open. Oh gee howard at number five. This is the guy he's my number four. I i am. I use taste good. He's number four. He you say the evidence room. Is this year's george kennel. I that's how i see o._j. Howard a true breakout aac out into like the ability to be a second round pick next year because now out of accounts type of outlaws explode out of that couch say why was i in here and who is that giant beast of a man o._j. Howard is the one human that you know might he goes up to george. Biddle and george kills looking up and going like i'm a little scared of you o._j. Howard is six six to fifty one ran a four five one and he it has a quarterback that targets titans like crazy. Cameron bright was a really good fantasy tight end. Even though cameron bright is just an average talent you lose adam humphreys into sean jackson from the offense and in the meantime coming into year three the only thing you've ever seen from evan. Ingram is complete dominance. It's on the field. You mean o._j. Howard o._j. Howard is that a little freudian slip love ingram. It was the only two tight ends with a higher percentage actually the only one if if were saying more than one game played last year travis kelsey had a higher rate of top finishes and then it was o._j. Howard that's it i mean he's he's never been on the field but not been good camera. Break is still an american football tight end for the tampa. Bay buccaneers had six touchdowns for them last year. I think they were all in like the first four games <hes> <music> any concerns with the losing the original touchdown camera not this the occasional touchtone yes but that that'll happen to everyone's her but the concern back when howard was first coming into the league of camera bright he was the bright was the established tight end. He will run as the the number one tight end. I changed has happened is now howard update on kenyan drake in a walking boot head coach bryan flora's says the injury will be via while uh-huh but said the team hopeful ready for opening. Oh you're doubled up in your bellagio. Could you have taken him late. Wow you mean doubled down. No i'm in dublin. You're just doubled your money. It could not kenyan drake's a._d._p. The down down down if you believe that he can earn that spot at some point in the season could make steel this is going to be one of those heart versus mind because i have have always been a believer and if he drops i wanna take him but this year i'm trying to not by the injury dip and learn from last you know last last year's mistakes. It's it is i'm traveling back but a point that i really wanted to emphasize about evan ingram with golden tape missing those first four games. I got the angle i think we'll be good season-long but in particular those first four games he could be he could be a top two tight end over those four games <hes> some injury notes on o._j. Howard he's been banged up and you need to pay attention to that aspect of drafting o._j. Howard season cut short last year winkle foot injuries map bets from the ultimate draft kit number one predictor of future foot and ankle injuries is the prior issues that he has the ankle is in that ankle ankle spot hunter henry at six vance mcdonald at seven in our top ten tight end rankings henry. You know not a lot of talk buzz around henry probably at no fault of his own own others enough for me. He's going in the six round. That's true for a player who didn't play last year where we in fantasy football. We tend to have very short memories stories. That's pretty solid buzz. There has been you know when travis chelsea's career began. We were only saying what if what if java's kelsey i also play a full season and be healthy what would happen. There's a little bit of that with hunter henry because when you look at the chart pass catchers what's going on. You're kinda like okay either. Mike williams is having the biggest year of his life or hunter. Henry is going to contribute to this offense in a big way. Yes and i believe in hunter for henry. I don't like i don't like the draft cost of having to be all in on him because i consider having to pay six round. Pick form arm is going all in but he of of the players were talking about. He does have a chance to finish in the top five that that top four as well because he's one. He's a great a player. We've already talked about a quarterback who throws to the tight end position. Philip rivers headed historical career throwing antonio gates who is is also gone. Antonio gates was a bit of the problem for for hunter henry early on in his career. The henry is one of those also one of those athletic monsters an and he has the ability to be a great a great fantasy tight end. Yeah hunt see that's. That's one of my issues is is actually the the athletic he came out as one of the top two guys so you you kind of you view him as a hyper athlete but at the tight end position he's actually i'm not <hes> he was. You know a slow runner is sparks score. That's not very high and that's actually kind of two fifty. Four seven at six six five to fifty four seven is athletic enough for me well. He's fifteenth percentile in spark so you know the thing is is he's not going to be the number. One target right like zakar zakar is not the most hyper athlete. He's not the kiddle the o._j. Our you know those guys so that's what you need right. He's a he's a talented route. Runners great catching the ball hunter henry is not a bad player at all but he's not going to be the one they're right. He's probably not going to be the second target. They might be the two he could but i think mike williams. I think most people would say mike williams is going to have more targets than hunter henry. He's one of these middle round. I'm probably just avoiding. He could break out. I i'm avoiding him because i'm spending this middle round. Pick for a guy that i don't think is going to be a weekly star. I want him streaming. I would feel better about hunter henry if i thought that discharge defense wasn't really good to be honest if i thought philip rivers it was doing that comeback routine on a regular basis and the the scripted seem intentional gates catching fifteen yard passes over and over and over again in the middle of the field <hes> <hes> safety blanket for philip rivers that tight imposition separately interesting but you're paying a lot for hunter henry do we are we in agreement that hunter henry read does get a nice boost. If melvin gordon is not there <hes> target perspective. I dunno okay. I don't know ninety fifth. Percentile sparks score vans mcdonald at number seven. I don't know what to do with him. I take him because he's gone eighth-round sometimes right now. He's the tight end eight off the board. Several ten average opposition lot of opportunity vacated targets really hasn't been able to stay healthy the drops the football obviously jettison from san francisco indicates per great opportunity but i'm willing. I'm willing to take him see what happens bins but i'm willing to pivot off of him quickly. If it doesn't look like he's going to be heavily involved. Yeah i agree he. He is the last guy that is somewhat tempting to me in the middle rounds he you know he's going behind guys like hunter henry in the draft but i've got him finishing ahead because the vacant targets the fact that <hes> the fact that you've got jesse james gone obviously all the antonio brown targets vacated and we've seen vance mcdonald completely dominate dominate yes. He's just a huge injury. Risk is never been able to really stay healthy. I mean he dominated back for san francisco. We loved them at times and then every time we were like oh yeah look at this crazy athlete bands macdonald who's gonna dominate injured. Oh he's back. He's going to dominate and it's like oh. He traded traded to the steelers. Can a late eighty year or late in the in the camp and then didn't get involved. Now is his opportunity. Now is like a true breakout potential. I i think it could happen. I'm willing to take a shot at that because you have a freak with the target vacated situation where he should be able to soak up a lot of work didn't go over fifty yards from week six on didn't catch more than four passes from week six on yeah vance mcdonald is this. You can't look at last year's production because this is why we like vance's. This is a completely different team. Antonio brown the number one target of that team has gone and like jason said jesse james so the other player at at the position who can take vance mcdonald off the field is gone and there's the talk at a camp. They have no idea who the wide receiver to is the drumbeat is definitely for dante moncrieff but but it could still end up being james washington. They don't know advancement. We do know that vance mcdonald when he catches the ball it because zeke drops sometimes but winning dirty deeds he he steals souls and he was an incredible guy out in space of that's that's why he is here because the opportunity is so is is so insane but the draft price has risen with that when when i really really liked advanced mcdonald i mean he was he was a double digit guy. I'm gonna write him a letter. I'm gonna tell him to steal three fewer souls this year if that can keep atheist on the field because sometimes shang so you run violently yes he does jared cook eight eric ibran nine david giokoo at ten rounding out the rankings. We've talked a lot about middle round performances taking your shot. I'll take my shot on jared. Cook sure yea jared cook going behind vance mcdonald that that makes it hard to go in go all in on vance mcdonald because it's the same situation and for the saints i guess a little bit different because you have michael thompson alvin kamara but beyond those two guys jared cook could step in and be the third highs is targeted player on the team the target volume four new orleans. Yes it keeps going down down down but drew brees is still an excellent quarterback as there. It's a move up to eleven jason on the show the other day you were making some notes in one of them had cooked with an era. I believe it is an up. I i've changed him up up to eleven but the the truth for me and i hate to say this but like this whole now that we're into these this tier of players you mentioned in joke and joke is my seven evan. My tight end seven <hes> and jerry cook is tied in eleven. There is so little difference in my stats between these players actual fantasy point difference between the next. You know five guys from an joke who down is just completely irrelevant. It's take a five sided die and throw. There's no difference to me between any of them and i'm not picking any of them. I wanna see that i'm not i wanna see that five cider see that five. I'm picked my brain right now i i will you know i'm. I'm not picking any of them. Oh it's weird looking. It's real weird eared. I'm not picking in giokoo. I'm not picking cook. <hes> you know once once i'm past once i personally past vance mcdonald. I'm going around if i had to take a shot like right now. The ranking say that i'm lower on cook but at least with cook. We've seen him number five last year right. We've seen him do it. He is an athlete. He's on a good often so there are reasons that i think you could you know see him. Come through this this year <hes> but i just i'm not i mean that's the thing the the reality is. You're listening to this podcast to know who draft. Who should i would personally me. I'm not drafting any of this year of guys. I'm waiting until the end of my draft to get one of those good titans. I'm just getting a late guy and i'm going to stream the position see all of our rankings projections for each and every tight end in the ultimate drafted ultimate drive kit dot com. Give me a sleeper tight end. That did did not make the top ten consensus that you'll take a look at take your shot at be willing to pivot stream if they don't work out i'm contractually we obligated at this point but of course it's jordan reed of rule eighty six baby will not die he he will not not be i mean he gets really hurt but he won't die. He will remove less wound will remove bones from his toes. If that's what it takes to play football aw all reports out of washington if they're talking about pass catchers it's about jordan read about jordan reed is healthy. Jordan looks great great yet. Jordan arena hasn't come into a training camp healthy. I think three or four seasons can i have fun with you for a minute of course injuries since two thousand thirteen eighteen. You have to let you have to let me do podcasts can only go on so long andy all right fair enough but go ahead quadriceps strain hip contusion concussion thumb sprain hamstring sprain hamstring strain quadriceps strain concussion shoulder contusion ankle sprain thumb contusion concussion shoulder strain rib contusion hamstring tear hair to- spring his ear. He likes football and his body doesn't like it. I didn't hear any rib problems though so i think i think he's okay rib rib contusion week to twenty missed it. I missed it. I'm out. I'll i'll reports of all time is jordan reed is awesome when he's healthy that that list is laughable. I'll throw the walrus out there darren waller. I like that we're making fun of my jordan reed pick because because he gets hurt during waller actually is verts. He is as active as he's been since suffering his shoulders spraying and that's all you need to know now. Here's the here's the thing he's he's a spark freak. He's an athletic freak any stepping into a role that saw sixty eight receptions eight hundred ninety ninety six yards and six touchdowns which jared cook last year and he's free. If you wanna take the shot on him free my late round guy that i i i really like is mark andrews <hes> wide receiver for the baltimore ravens he i i wouldn't serve that was on purpose well. It wasn't on purpose but it is also true. He is basically a wide receiver for them. He was only on the field for around on average about thirty five percent of snaps snaps last year as a rookie which is very common for rookie tight ends is why we don't draft rookie tight ends like we tell everybody. You know who's not on our list right now. Noah fan t._j. Hodkinson you know who know a fantastic. Thank you <hes> we help. They're not they're not on this list because it's so incredibly rare for a rookie tight end to get a snap that percentage that is meaningful enough to be good for fantasy. It's really like evan. Ingram has done a gronk years before that's it end of list. How dare you forget the name of jeremy shockey well. I didn't know how far back i had to go here. Mike mike ditka was so good at tight end. No actually well sure that's statute of limitations here mark andrews last year as a rookie with only thirty five percent snap percentage percentage was actually really good at once lamar jackson came he was on seven hundred yard pace which would have been second only to jeremy shockey in a rookie yardage season now he comes in the year to the they've built the system around that early indications are that that he has been the number number one target for lamar jackson. I think his target his snap percents can weigh up and mark andrews is a beast. I i really like him. I think he could be one of the electric. We all like mark andrews all right that is it for today's episode of the fantasy football podcast. Thank you for subscribing listening before we close out because i had to find out is there a five sided dice started die and one of the first thing shows up is a reddit thread are five sided dice fair fair fair so there's a problem with your five sided die jay <hes>. They're not fair. We wanna thank today studio sponsor pristine auction but in evan ingram ciders yesterday forty nine dollars zion jersey pristine auction dot com to check that that out and again joined the foot dot com to be a part of this year's mega lable tournament with all the foot clan who comes out on top. We'll find out out soon. We'll see dot com goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy. Footballers podcast asked join our fantasy football community on join the foot dot com and follow us on twitter at the f. ballers.

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The A-Side Live Chat w/ WWE Superstar Big E

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1:05:26 hr | 1 year ago

The A-Side Live Chat w/ WWE Superstar Big E

"You're listening to fox media podcast network. We're going to start this because we're live as of seconds ago. Joining me is biggie a one third smackdown taxi champions <hes>. We've got a lot of requests for some we. We've been rotating co. Oh host we get a lot of our guests from five dot com pizza carol alexander keighley danish girl and all that we had your eyes favor on but i noticed a few. I think it was a couple of months ago. Go be you posted. Some of the podcasts you listen to and the side was on it so i naturally had to reach out to see if you would want to be honest so welcome and hoping to debut yeah. Thank you for trying to do my thing but as you know we are. I don't set the questions but questions come in from the fans whether it has to do with anime or sometimes you talk about whatever they want to talk about what i've gone through him. I don't know if you've gone through. We've had a myriad of questions specifically for you. We allow some people. I think it's refreshing to hear non emanate journalist <music> speak about anime or fighter speak about have made they wanna hear the fancy whoever made before we get into that we were talking for you call in. Where did this love for avenue. I guess like i was in college mid-2000s. We all live in the dorm. Watch you'll fighter and that was how how those kind of as a casual fan and <hes> i almost like eight vickers for my love last like report years has really been reinvigorated because because of the video game and we start do and in the locker room and it was like that was the thing there'd be like half a lot groups playing his game on a daily basis and that really got me to start watching receive regularly <hes> and then i realized this is i love constable too but like right next because now is is my love for amazing so i got e._s._p._n. Plus because of a card <hes> i'm want to like rear four different <hes> they including doors with that <hes> but it's incredible and i have such a great respect for fighters what they do and i'm in tally and like run across is also school parallels between or wrestlers and and <hes> fighter so many fighters will wrestling fan and so many of us in the locker rooms we will really honestly one of my favorite thing to do is to come back on on tuesdays jack gallagher. I <hes> when cruiserweight <hes> big fan is i see him. We'll talk about the path look like a u._f._c. week now. This forty of us like that's the thing in the room is a starbucks kind of match up to about <unk> too and so we have so many of us were big anime fans locking why i actually ran into the dugout at a bella tour event i think he was the the pit bull michael chanoine when michael bennett page got knocked out by douglas douglas lima he was there and i ran into him he did an identity. Is that right. He's had a few fights and i don't want oil anything what i feel like. He's he's possibly made looking into doing both what we do. We also fight to be really cool by signing up for you how many and he trains in orlando. I think at the same tim the spoke oh really cool yeah that same car. You're former coworker. Jack swagger that one reason on time but i remember plus plus all huddled around a cuter and really really <hes> seem to speak but yet we're up to and we all like we know all american and what you're i can tell like legitimately strong. I was thought like you guys welcome back and we we've got a a lot of voices about jack and we've gone through questions about some other m._m._a. Fighters that most recently got into the ring not in your promotion but in another promotion and then and then another another guy has a big up and coming against u._c. hall of famer in another promotion. I'm sure we're gonna talk a lot about that but the questions are coming in rapidly so we're going to dive <hes> right in all right so first question i read it so if you have any question read it alright biggies specifically with everything he owned was on the line. Who would you choose choose to fight alongside the a gun against franson ghana in anime fight god. I want no part of that. <hes> <hes> uh fictional character like the juggernaut someone massive i mean you could it also says who would who would you choose on the current novi roster to fight alongside are you <hes> i guess brock rockets most midspan the obvious answer yes what everyone has all the comments like is just going to say brock yeah yeah but i also bobby lashley his training as well yeah. He's massacre being a straight eighteen for what i think he's still he. Might you still be there. I know he did some other stuff in another promotion by he's a lot of legitimate wins under the under the ballots or vana for sure so the kyoshi buckle <unk> bombing yet but i don't i want no parts branches as crazy to see him. It feels like he's knocking guys out these glancing blows and like top level guys five guys in under a minute so it's been cool to see his resurgence since the lewis by he's been on unroll the last three putts allows. I was gonna ask you about that question specifically because i think it goes a couple years ago. You brought up derek lewis. Someone asks you what you do anime and you're like i don't want to get punched by derek lewis and then i think the very next fight he had that fight against franson gano watching that what was going through your mind when you're watching like you said franco prop light on record being the hardest hitter in in u._s. History human history against derrick lewis and it goes to a three round snooze fest. I was shocked man. I listened to so rogan was i listened to <hes> like rogan talk about the fight abort of where the fight i listened to it afterwards and it's to go back in here. How much anticipation there was we were all like this is this e fight is going to be a slug fest and in retrospect listen to those comments and like we all like ever being locker room. I think i'd probably conversation edition with jack about the same thing like this is going to be a barn burner and see two guys do nothing. <hes> was was pretty mindblowing j. I believe leave that one but obviously you know like france talk about the beer at st bay riding and <hes> derek obsolete issue back <hes> but it isn't really cool to see your friends kinda rebounds back from macleod worried that it would be getting the end for him but man the blades by eight fight the j. d. s. by read and what are you still in derek lewis actually has this is next fight book that usually to forty four madison square garden. He's getting fighting. Black ivan off <hes> yeah so the last time he fought matt square lost a daniel corn. Nedo another a a big fan of your product. You might be watching. What do you think about derek shot against former world series of fighting heavyweight champion rare. I haven't seen being a ton of his stuff. <hes> i mean it's hard to root against dirk by <hes> but i remember seeing a couple of roy couple u._f._c. by tat <hes> but yeah it was bound back and yet actors at staples center. He comes shows is accused wrestling like the nicest isis guy <hes>. He's another guy that's so and he has five. We have a couple of friends obviously about that. He has a t._v. Meal judge the the people want him to fight for the winner of that franson gone where you have the john jones trilogy out. There is debate does win. There's a possibility trilogy with steve amy o._j.'s another big heavyweight trilogy if as a fan do you do you like the idea of third. John jones standard coordinated fight whether it's a anyway anyway john jones is technically one in one because that third fight is by no contest. Dana cormet drawback donald had backside heavy which he hasn't done in a while is the heavyweight championship john on jobs anyway claim another bell or would you like to see them running back after the heavyweight man. I'm really on the fence because i don't know why e c at now forty. Now we wanna make that cut again. It seemed like really devote cut line happier and the power he has a heavyweight is incredible. I think he's still undefeated edward right now. The only person ever lost to ever as john jones is john bright bright but in the same thing <hes> i also wanna see francis this get get a shot through depending on what happens this mosquito bay and d._c. And there's so many different options man i. I wonder if <unk> up owns have a hard time and making the cut down a lot. I don't know how much does it do him any service the move up to heavyweight this. There's so many different options <hes>. I'm really on the fence with that. Ah i guess ideally i think seeing bones and in dc heavyweight is just new trilogy back that <hes> you know they've never done it that way. I mean it's a big fight to so if that does go down and it is a heavyweight a lot of a lot of people consider now dan for me the pound for pound best a lot. Some people great heavyweight every because he is undefeated. There is a question over and i know our commisssion hates these conversations about because you're new so we have to ask ask you. It seems to come down to the greatest fighter of all time is usually like a top five. John jones is up there. Georgia dimitrius johnson these guys is john goes up and be genuine cormet at heavyweight is that enough to just cement him as the greatest fighter whoever lit because to me in my mind i think right now it's george he's. He's a vengeful losses yes to belts and he he's. He's done everything he wants to play habib as for a legacy fight as in the heat all them for. I don't need the bell just fine because i want to. If janis kearney heavyweights even greater ball time man i based on resume alone. I wanna say yes then you have the astronauts with the new the <unk> george record <unk> georgia's such a clean die like across the board suspected like india never had any of those hiccups man. I hate these debates usually i. I like enjoy i like listening to i hate contributing to them. Whether it's sad because it's it's so subjective subjective group different era <hes> men that it'd be a._b._c. Thea a third time. It'd be hard to argue against. I couldn't agree with you anymore but we just had a question. Come in now related to johnson's ordained cormet. What's your prediction for how to versus. Alberto del rio will play alpine combat's america's. We're actually a like a southern american jamie noble about this yesterday <hes> and he's another guy what's the producer. Let's now <hes> it such an off the wall. I did not expect this and then it was announced <hes> man. It's i'm intrigued out. I'll say it act. I also wanna be where i'm like. You know talking about a former co worker in late. It's hard. I trump against it a big <unk> <hes> alberto the best but it's a real lead by i don't make <hes> it's it is bordered. Alburto does have anime record like a pass like he thought miracle-gro got you got time here. Well well aware of that <hes> to all his rhyme you wanna have it all your whole ripple that you wanted to. You know being under for that. It's it's is nuts but yeah you're right any. I think he's a wrestled on the mexican national team so i i think i might not be hundred percent is actually made the mexican wrestling team for the two thousand olympics but they didn't make the olympics so he didn't compete at the actual gains but he does have history on me personally. It's it's like you said. It's a zany fight i don't i don't really like the rhetoric going on between them. I don't know if you've been following it on social media but it's very much got very political based on tito ortiz beliefs and berta being of hispanic background not a big fan of that but that's just my personal take but it's you saw colby comment. We've talked before called collins and you saw how he's doing. He's he's got title fight soon and i don't want to say toxins in in that fight but he's now on one of the must-see fighters on the roster. What was traces here that i think <hes> he was close to being cut in like a five fight win streak and had no buzz whatsoever aren't doing this gimmick which is clearly lee inspire you know from our industry wrestler and a lot of people like it's clear to me that stick like you get a gimmick <hes> what it's put him in a position asian is backed up like the fight to see the amount of pressure was able to put on rb eight and then do the same thing with robbie. I couldn't the pace insane. I do not for twenty five minutes. You're setting a record for <unk>. Strikes thrown and also attempting to take downs is so he's also backed it up as well well <hes> but yeah it's it's really <hes> i'm on the bench with that stuff too because i get stunning fights. Get you wanna bring ice. Stop with some of the stuff becomes real vitriolic especially with like a beaver connor where you're talking about. Religion families gets through like where's the line why they call me to. He knows he's playing apart and i've seen him outside interacting with the fans and to his credit. He lives his character but you see him on. The streets las vegas during fights. He's wearing his this is red hat. He's walking around. He walks around las vegas with his belt. Still someone comes up to take a picture of them. He's all smiles but he lives his gimmick. If that's what you want to call it and he's got himself title and not an easy fight against a lot of people think they're very similar style magic but i think this is a perfect segue because we actually had a question on the fighting site says said from our friend lucian first of all don't either do dairy sour on this finest of wednesday's before anything else just wanna ride ride that i'm a big fan of the new day and what you the three of you had done had given me a lot of entertainment both promos and matches over the years so sincere thanks for your work and made a power positively continue to sign on all of us in the years to come but now the question after covington per-performance last week and it feels like a gig felix given that the next welterweight championship match will be who's been versus covington so i was curious is after seeing such great fights from both of them who do you favor in that match. Why also considering what we saw from covington from the promos island saturday how much you dreading the the seemingly inevitable ugly build for that fight and i think what you were saying a perfect segue. I don't know if you've watched the post fight like cleaner action so sometimes sometimes sometimes. I got other things to do so i like i watch the post by but as soon as kobe won that come on new kamara was on the desktop <unk> straight over to e._s._p._n. Blessing major post <hes> and i was it's disappointing because it's just a lot of the top dover each other ally it was i don't know i think it could get ugly in a way that that's not entertaining which muscling and i don't know so as far as a favorite man dare dare styles are so similar that grinding were anew a wrestling pay. It's really hard feels almost like a coin flip. <hes> personally it i just i don't wanna see koby. The undisputed says just gonna cut all the trump stop. I don't wanna see that it happened by can't take away anything from him as a fighter as an athlete. It's a it's a fight that i think a lot of people really anticipate. It feels like a point for me. Honestly <unk>. I agree in in those type of fights. I tend to favor the champion especially because i think in my mind komo news win over tyron woodley was more impressive than colby's all these win over robbie not because kobi's wasn't impressive but tyron was the champion and he was coming off that stunning k._o. Over dare until and i think that whole all week i don't know anyone that takes tomorrow who's been away. I think there were a lot of people that call me but i don't think and if you did pick tomorrow. I don't think you could dominate tyron woodley so i don't know. Did you watch that fight. What did you did. You totally going fight woodley. I thought like the conventional wisdom was that his wrestling would negate <unk>. Tomorrow's charles and i thought he was clearly a better striker. You'll come out. I don't think as a ton of a knockout wins <hes> and i thought we would be able to touch them enough to to hurt him <hes> and be able to take away the wrestling and that was not the case. I was watching the entire thing why'd i couldn't believe it and i kept waiting for retirement. Okay here. Here's tired of old. I didn't know he was just able to to grind him for twenty five minutes. It was supremely impressive but i did not expect that at all yeah come on does come from that that wrestling background him in ben aspirin again taken pages out of your your world quite a bit. He actually took to twitter and apologize for losing to oray mazi doll because he's like i. I want to apologize because because i lost you the world has to watch colby <unk> whose men go back and forth so fairplay ben camara who's newsman trains with henry who trains tyrants so he's training with elite level strikers to get on that he's he'll he'll not on their level obviously but if you can make that type of for striking wrestling i tend to favor kamara over calling dan now probably haven't at madison square garden too yeah yeah it makes sense and it seems like marles mates release leaps and bounds striking end <hes> kobe's basically incredible but you also really didn't see him. Throw anything any like fight ending intention russian <unk> just touching robbie so <hes> you know i think the only path to winning is a decision and i don't i don't know if martin out either but but <hes> i think you're right if i had to give someone in <unk> tomorrow and this isn't a question but it seemed to be after that for him ozzy all that five five second knockout which role i'm sure we'll talk about on this way. Not don't bend aspirin. He was calling for a title shot. It seemed like because it was so fresh everyone just by not not you set the right for fastest knockout. You should probably tile show but we had to wait but then after that we had to wait and see what happened between lawler and covington now then comes in one that dominated family and it seems very obvious that's the next fight and most likely mass word. If you're horny mazi doll. Do you fight we on edwards who gone to that backstage. Scuffle could lead to that. Three piece in a soda is not the next point for those two. Maybe on the same car. I feel like it sounds like that's not a fight the or at once right now now i think he's even talk about <hes> getting the title fight next waiting until the winner of of colby and morrow <hes> it's it's. It's just feels like it's written in the stars you know with their interaction the three-piece soda it's the stories all their and leon looked incredible last outing man. He's one of those guys too. I think because he spots so much in the u._k. A lot of times are are <hes> in the paper views a lot of people blur paying attention to and he's looked incredible for a while now against cowboy against r._d._a. Put on these really sharp form ince's watching. I couldn't believe leave the fact that he he decided to grapple with with and i'm like what are you doing out bradfo gut. I did not expect to see a guidance teams that will rounded that sharpened striking wrestling jitsu <hes> i if i'm worry i don't think that fight does allow for him as far as moving up the ladder but it's a fight. I really wanna see and it's dangerous. Five rooms. Well is gonna present dangerous finance. Stephen thompson actually said the exact thing. You said we spoke to u._c. To forty he goes as i think john edwards because i think he's on a street and his last loss i think was to kamara and i was like maybe his first or second fight in the a._f._c. They were both very young. I think he's gonna tear sense but he said i think leon's betas detriment is the u._s. Fans don't know who he is. He's putting on these great forms is he's. He's speech well. He'd be cowboy in singapore singapore car kind of hurt him i do because i was like three in the morning our time so now a lot of people didn't get a lot of people didn't get to see it but a three round fight as opposed to vibrant. I think favors favors or a mazda. If there was a five round in leon could wear them out. I i would slightly favor lamb but i think corey modules collins conor mcgregor fight to <hes> connor i'd be all about he also wants to fight nick and nate diaz so he's looking for these big money fights but title shot for him. I nine quickly so too. I you know he's really putting him to put himself in position <hes> till knockout and with the knockout where he's such a hot name right now now so like i might as well can't get that title fight. I think it's time to gash in for him and i don't know the liane edwards fight for bras like anime nerds. It feels big but i don't know it's not. I don't think it's a money. It's not a modify <hes> but the welterweight division is so and stephen thompsons going back. He wants to fight field assignments on that mass square garnered to robbie lawless author ben astronaut supposedly fighting damian maya in this big grappling versus grappler rematch. If damian my wants to continue fighting but the welterweight division as we haven't even talked about india's and adverse anthony patterson is at welterweight like clever wins that they can throw their name title shocks there also five. Anthony patterson knocked out stephen thompson. What do you make of nate. Diaz versus anti parallel u._c. To forty one hasn't fought since the second conor mcgregor fight at u._c. To back and i think august twenty sixteen so he has bottom in three years and i was coming back yeah. I think there's a lot of excitement for that to see how sharp you'll be <hes> also i really liked this new like pederson resurgence where i think it was last revised amounts likes ex did not expect at all like the stephen thompson <unk> at seems odd <hes> when he looked great there <hes> i kinda liked him him taking on these these big challenges that nowhere and went up to one seventy <unk> somberly intrigue man i end <hes> it's just one of those i just wanna. Let's see what happens because i have no idea i don't know how short diaz would be absolutely off and <hes> i'm really excited about seeing that match and historically i think nate's obviously his best weight classes lightweight twenty-five but he hasn't fought a lightning awhile last to pfizer welterweight he was supposed to doesn't at u._c. To thirty the last amount of square garden car i'm for that fell off. Thousands may he's lost to a lot of good names are welterweight but he's also been a lot of good names lightweight so i'm a little surprised. This is a is wells way. I just don't do. He wants to cut that way anymore. Which is fair played them. I don't see anyone caught that much for their plane to hydrate their body but hey i'm jason delray great and i'm hosting a new podcast called land of the giants in it. We examined the most powerful tech companies of our time. 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How do you guys see this playing out now. If walker wins how many more winds to title shot if anderson wins will he get overlooked for title shot again so i don't know if you saw a giant walkers obviously been making big waged in the u._f._c. knocking out everyone and celebrating all of corey anderson is banned the o._c. For a very long time former ultimate fighter winner dan kinda put him on blast at u._c. to forty forty at u._c. To forty press conference is cordial convert titlefight and he said corey aniston has turned down fifty fights. There's no way he's fighting for the title and within a week he's fine johnny walker which is i dig is one of the most dangerous fights he could take a what do you think about johnny. Walker's rise corey anderson coronations chances against what he calls he said i wanted to i wanted to dethrone king. The u._c. wants a hall to train that those are his words not mine. What do you think of this <hes>. <hes> i agree with you. I think it's a very dangerous fight innocent. I i worked for honesty. <hes> just johnny walker so explosive <hes> and <hes> he talks about not being able to show everything in do so like it hasn't really had to to demonstrate that you can stop take down. I think chorus. I probably will always be not going to put on the most exciting fights wrestler whose brian you in where you down <hes> some solid boxing but nothing that really <unk> jumps off age <hes> and i think johnny walker so exciting such an interesting personality that with the lawrence he's had lined up as long as he stays away from any other shoulder injuries due to dancing. I think you'll be on ace to have a title fight within the next year or so. It's just the dancing. Many die. Watch out which i am island where to the dancing is often. What gets you so. He's gotta be careful there. Well i think he he has that in fact. I remember one. We saw israel at assan is u._c. Debut he just has that charismatic flashy style. Johnny walker also is very adamant that he wants all in english so he can connect with this the u._s. market he hasn't hasn't john. Jones isn't quite impressive spoken with a u._c. To thirty nine i think john six five i._d.'s as tall as alexander guston so that's like looking looking at them. They match up great but john's watson. I wanna see them fighting elite level competition because his words were if i thought these guys i would be doing the same thing. I just thought i was on does for five rounds. Let's see what johnny walker going to do. Against dagestan's or five rounds but corey anderson has has lost violently to jimmy manoa and over insane same frou so i to me you famer core amerson. He has two wins over former top five fighters at the time it'd be global share dot five it'd be deemed field by but he also got like he went to sleep against over and saying june mantle and so it's a it's a tough fight ice. I'll slightly record <unk> especially especially for three round fight though yeah i think i even core gets gets up <unk> algan. I i don't know it anytime. Skinny depend on forms looks. I don't know if he's going to be able to generate buzz to to get the next title fight and then again to it it. It kind of depends too one bone sites do he does take the d._c. By mom <hes> but yeah <unk> honestly i know the anthony smith was not long ago but he's really good as well in other words that now he's got to be top three. I don't know what is next fighters vitus but i i i think he's gonna trouble getting that bones by again soon but i think he's going to be hard guy now. <unk> by the anthony smith is just had surgery so he was out for a little while. I know if luke rocco had one. They wanted to fight they age. They've been on the anime our our earl show many times just throwing heat at one another and anthony smith at all fight grotto by tomorrow in a parking lot so he doesn't care but we also have people aren't talking about artist chris lydon's coming up to light heavyweight fighter dominic reyes who's also one of these young up and coming light-heavyweight alexander ratchet who's just just send jimmy mantle into retirement hire -ment so there was a point in time. I remember where light-heavyweight seem to be very shallow where you had all these like thirty to forty year olds kind of dominating the shoguns that gust of sins all of these guys now suddenly. There's this massive influx of youth. I agree with you. Cory anderson impressively should probably title fight. You did confront john jones at an autograph signing so he's trying to try trying to generate buzz but i don't know if he can pull off a decision but then like say dominic reyes head cakes chris wineman at boston. I don't know how that's gonna play out right or whiten. Jumps aligned to with with a solid wooden at a hundred percent. They always wanted to fight for for that. Quote unquote king of new york <hes> what do you think of that fight between why men in rain as it is five abandoned boston yeah honestly i didn't know if a <hes> raise one of those i agree a hundred percent and i was underwhelmed and i'm like oh smears nine easy out. <hes> i ex hasn't been spent on a great strong a lot of wins together but i haven't really been overly impressed with racism run on but you know i guess just based on where he's ranked in america gets another win here over a name like wiedeman that maybe he deserves the next shot i just i. I don't know who knows how widen reacts moving up to. I five as well so that that's intriguing. One is welsh to see <hes> that's. I really have no idea where that when when goes out for wacky <unk> concede to thirty when he lost his jacques when he was winning that whole fight and then jockeyed knocked him outright at the end that's right yeah. I'm i'm intrigued. I don't i've i i have to say he's a big guy. I don't know if you've ever seen him around other people but he's a he's a very large human chris. Lineman's based too but he's not the biggest as for light heavyweight. I'm you saw what happened to luke when he moved up till i handwrite so for every anthony smith and johnny santos we get we get elite who broke his job against john block of it exactly and i think <unk> played football stony brook somebody like that together. He's hi brad landed but we're going to move on from a longtime longtime listener comments at wild wayne <hes> hey guys. Can you write cain velasquez's pro wrestling debut last weekend. I'm not much in abreast and for me but it's hard to judge so so it's hard to judge but to me. He looked sensational. Also candidate come a superstar in the mexican market. How far can you go sheer so yes. I don't know if you saw but former u._f._c. z. Heavyweight champion came blasio's dipped his toe into your world down in triple a. eighteen cody rhodes and psycho clown. I thought he looks pretty good for or if someone who's never wrestled before but i don't know what you thought as someone who lives in this world so i saw the first few minutes of the match and i was i was floor expected kanus wrestler experts some impressed suplexes at the day string along slowly but see doing lewis fights and running rana's. It was incredible so i i was really impressed. I would what i saw. I know a year or two ago. I think during hiatus you went down to i am trained a little bit and i heard he was an actual and like so many of those elite wrestlers just pickle grapplers to like rhonda with her judo background. Just pick up what we do. You very easily <hes>. I'm excited. See what mccain does <hes> so. It's really cool to see. It is performance triple mania. I really impressed with us. Another talked about yesterday when i work <hes> i i was impressed and i think it'd be wants to. I don't know how long he wants to fight are how much he wants to make a living on the abi but i think <hes> he seemed to caught on very quickly and i think you'll be very well wants to. I agree looking back at all the professional these athletes athletes that have transitioned in like recently in my mind him rhonda. Daniel williams was very impressive when he made his professional wrestling jason debut so those three blew me away. I'm trying out kurt angle hawkishly as i think the one that everyone points to but i hope he doesn't leave m._m._a. Entirely because there's a lot of fights i personally has fan want us to invite i. I would be very disappointed if we never got see kane versus stupid i think to me that's like came for francis in the first s._p._n. Car that was actually here in arizona a me and my former coworkers tunnel shy said this feels like it should have been kane versus steep. I'm steve ahead. Jazz lost. A genuine cormie came last as his team may he probably wasn't going to get the tile shot next now. We obviously has hindsight but we thought it should have been keen st the bay. Are you in that boat or are there. Flights that you want to see can take or has he done enough to himself in in the minds of u._c. Fans on now as i get older i think as a performer or a athlete. I see him do whatever he wants on his exam. Happy i the side as a fan though i love the implied again especially because it felt like i don't know if we got robbed is the right way to put it but it felt like with francis <hes> by an by the we didn't know his knee buckled or for you know it was kind of the way everything turned kind of murky and it didn't seem like a proper oppor return and i would love to see i. I love steve. Steve doesn't get best d. c. I'd love to see that by was it seems you know there. Everybody's kind of out out of the mold of what you expect to be as far as cardio and boxing and they kind of do it all <hes> so yeah. I think that's tremendous fight a it also like you know he's been fighting for awhile it makes happy to do you know triple mania and do aaa shows and <hes> and do something different on the at school as well so i'm torn i think of it as a fan and i think a bit as well than in kind of you know what what bills you so i think in for a long time people kind of pointed to him as the greatest heavyweight ever asked like i in my mind he kind of leapfrog fade in that trilogy against against junior dosantos where he famously knots junior out at the end and he looks great but then we just lost him for a long time lost doom he lives spinning wheel cake in travis is brown at usa two hundred that caught everyone off guard and then fade or return in that billet or heavyweight grand prix and waited all the way the files for lost ryan bater but i think right now it's like him in d._c. Fade or steep is like this beautiful in for doom. We can't forget about didn't he's been every four or five way for heavyweights renegade twice. He's up there. Where do you who do you think is the greatest heavyweight of all time because like this would be if you thought you would be heavyweight obviously. I don't think we're down to two hundred five founds novel. That'll be dropped seventy pounds bus so in my mind i think right now it's still vidor if can can come back or fate or steep bay steep. It does have the right for most consecutive. The second title defence is in u._c. History knocked out j. D. s. knocked out alsir over in which bush very bizarre to me. Who do you think is the greatest heavyweight of all time <hes> hard to not say failure. I think fatal had retired years ago. I seen him take a few losses of last music starts to deteriorate the conversation <hes> what i don't know. It's so hard to say. I intrigued to if d._c. And gain were never teammates d._c. State heavyweight. Maybe maybe he's clearly you know the goat at heavyweight as well so <hes> just so many <unk> pick one <hes>. They forced to pick one. I'd say i i agree and i actually spoke with justin buckles when he was here. According cynthia calvi on i asked him that very question he said baidoa by default or cain but evenings daniel cormet for me if he gets these steep bay. It's hard to argue. I mean he's not lost to heavyweight. He's he's. I think if you wasn't teammates like you said he would be a heavyweight all the time. I think we'd have d._c. Longer because he wouldn't have had to make that cut to five so often <hes> so i think d._c. Is i think most talented heavyweight but in terms of legacy agassi i'd probably say fatal agree so but moving on from our friend s j trash-talk does the audience perceive trash-talk differently differently in w._w._e. Than anime so you obviously speak lot in your world. You're on the mike in front of a live audience. Oftentimes you're in front of what seventy thousand people arrested mania. What is the difference. I guess can you tell one fighter as being phony like if you think colby comments on an act but then you get horry mazda and what you see is what you get with that is how he is all of the time so what what do you prefer and what do you think sells fights. I think when it feels most genuine. I feel like people gravitate towards it. More <hes> obi <unk> a getting people talking but i feel like i feel like even his post stuff in the princi- mac used comet. I deplore <unk>. Get people's attention as much as jorges <hes> <hes> three pieces and a soda comment or post aspirin comments because it just draws you in when it feels like no that's not a character that's how the field and like i believe everywhere except i- kobe i don't and i really feel like when when connor was talking i believed every word uh-huh q. everything he said and i feel like people gravitate towards that more. You know a kobe style. Welcome south and i think we can tell stick out and even like cheo was was a great talker but even then it's like okay. He's really good at this gimmick but i still think it's a gimmick. I still don't think it grab people's attention as much as like a gallic warrior david hunter when you bleed every single thing that's coming up so one man. You didn't bring up and i have to ask you about this. He's got he calls himself. The greatest combat for athlete ally i of all time and who's who the king of cringes people call him. What do you make of his thing and he's speaking to him a u._c. Two-thirty and he said well. This is an act guys. I'm not always like this and like to me. I hate that like if you're gonna do the cringing thing just stick with all the time and don't try to pull the curtain back my my crazy on that. I agree like it's it's a it's keeping cave. That's what it is. He the gimmick going if you're gonna commit to waking committed to it as one thing like let it down around your friends when you're home whatever pursue gimmick do it but in the same vein i think this is obviously getting people talking more than if if he did nothing so i give them credit for trying something but it's so clear like playing a fake snake. It is trying and i commend him for that. What is it is. It is very you could see through but again like it's better than doing nothing and at the end of the day he still went in and stopped marlon moraes. Who ooh i thought was the best bantamweight alive. I thought he was going to be the champion. I picked marlin by stoppage and henderson who did it with one leg and stopped marla murray's which was i. I think one of the most impressive things i've ever seen live at an event yeah. I had marlin winning that too. I i was really surprised to to see him. Poultry especially the first round <unk> really good and then see who was pretty incredible. We're going to hop over twitter questions once sickly for you which which animate fighter pastor present would most suited for the new debt. Oh <hes> i someone kind of goofy so i probably johnny really yeah. He's not just a stooge tourism. One of the tweets in response said i would love to see derek lewis doing your hip things i did. I don't know if that's the valley <hes> but i i would be. I think derek lewis is one of the bigger is one of the biggest stars ars in the heavyweight division just based on his demeanor and how he's one of those other guys is very much. What you see is what you get but <hes> moving on and other questions twitter. I don't know if you you saw ali homes returning rematch against raquel pennington on that big u._c. To forty three card down in melbourne sixty thousand seat stadium the exact same she was in then when she knocked out ronda rousey all those one ninety three. I believe a what do you make holly homes last fight against nunez a lot of people they seem to complain when she he gets all these title fights but i kinda grouper group of frankie edgar where when she gets titlefight it just it makes sense just because she can beat anyone but she kind of falters. Allot lot wants us in these these big title fight. So what did you think of her last performance against a man in known as the greatest female fighter of all time and what do you make a rematch against recalled pennington <hes> it's <hes> i didn't expect a for minutes by don't know if anyone is beating amanda right now. I don't know if that's really <hes> like to like a shot at holly at all <hes> and i think she's somewhat improperly beats everyone else in the in the top five easing up to fifteen but it's just amanda is is just cut. She's interleague right now <hes> but i i think that the racquel bennington advice octavia for about i don't really know where she goes now. I think she said what title fight ceylon. She's a lot. She's lost two managers lachey. She lost her belted mutate and she lost a cyborg so she's come up the beatles these losers who aren't like pushovers us louis into the greatest female fighters andromeda random the first title fight that people aren't forgot. I near research yes but yeah. She's hard to against man i i'd like to she wants to fighting serchio fighting. I just don't know there's another asked to a title at one thirty five or one forty five in time the near future i agree but she's one of those fighters wins two in a row and they need a last minute filler. There's a man has talked about wanting to be a mom is he doesn't want to find him more. I feel like always gonna be right there for another title fight but we've had a lot of questions in the same vein on all platforms would ever consider doing j._j. Or m._m._a. or anything like that. I know a few wrestlers do a little side but would you ever want an actual anime not a chance not i haven't entertainer. I try to tell people that <unk>. I first of all i'm i'm five eleven so i have no roots whatsoever and i wrestled my last time like any kind of martial art was out of high school wrestler estee champion florida's florida as well. It's really a reporter for athletes but this is what i was seventy. I i am now thirty three. There's no chance whatsoever. I think if anything like you know when i think might not be as rogaine i still wanna do something like it'd be kind of fun to. Maybe learn some orange jitsu or something like that to kind of. Stay active and have some fun but beyond that there is no way i want i i'd say my profession especially is tough but i am not <unk> seen you because i know goldberg's <unk> said this the undertaker said this and the rockets said this that anime was as is big of a deal as it is now when they were coming up they probably would have done anime. Were about you if if if a maid was a high a high paying gig when you say sentencing winning st james would you have even considered it back then not really honestly like actually football was always my dream and i said a bunch of injuries playing college football and then trying to transition and guys do it but after twenty yells inappropriate tele torn fat in trying to get into something like fighting <unk>. I don't see i mean that's the thing is our our industry really a lot of guys who come from these elite wrestling background or or whatever it is so there's a lot of guys think of really capable of. There's so many guys that we get now who were on your limbic like chat gable. Oh is a guy who was an olympic and we have so many guys like that not quite at the guys who have a martial arts background or or the gentleman that was bagnall kind of never really real consideration. Hello listener. I'm sean rama's firm. Host of today explained vox daily really news podcast every day monday through friday my team and i look at what's happening in the world we pick one essential news story that defines our moment and asks smart art people to help us understand it in about twenty minutes or less. It's the perfect way to start or end. Your day subscribed today explained for free on apple podcasts us or in your favorite podcast app. It's from stitcher and the vox media podcast network this swisher. I wanna tell you about my podcast. Rico decode owed every week we have candid in depth conversations with people like elon musk nancy pelosi and kathy griffin we talk about how they got to where they are today and how their work is changing our world new episodes of rico decoder released every monday and wednesday and we often have bonus episodes on friday subscribe for free to be the first to hear them on apple podcasts head cast or in your favorite podcast app what we got a question from abdel risks are according to aleve leave elliott delicacies frankie edgar's manager his next fight will most likely be bantamweight but my question is who. Would you like to see him fight. I think him and his son sal would be a great test or frank. Let's see how good he is abandoned weight because i still think that might be his best way class so yes. I watch juicy to forty. Franken came up short against max. Holloway's all poses. This is twice is friendship. Do think frank egger should drop down to bantamweight third way class. He's one of those guys talked about where these title shot no matter where he is and what did you make him his fight against max holloway a lot of people had national runaway with fifty forty five across the board about franken your thoughts on the answer future new jersey hall of famer. I i guess if he can you know he's he's not the biggest forty-five <hes> but i always kind of wonder if guys as they they get older if dropping down is a smart decision <hes> but it's something that he feels like he can handle on the sense. I think it's great by coming off a loss to yeah. It's still a very a topflight sunday that would previous while i thought i had max winning the fight pretty handily elite but cut the rounds were all fairly close was it wasn't colby and lawler at all. I wasn't dominant like obviously winning every round yeah. I don't think it was that <hes> but you know max with his boxing is take down defense. I feel like people just don't forget. He's very hard to take down. <hes> i thought max clearly but close rounds well <hes> but yeah bill treat <unk>. Frankie went back like this. Don't know i'm making my cut. I i still beats a lotta guys pretty one. I agree and i think one thirty five because frankie did not any way at all when you find a lightweight he cuts. Obviously i think one hundred thirty five hours would be the first way class that frank. You'd actually feel the waco like he would feel sucked out but selfishly i i would like. There's a lot like i imagined frankie. Versus dominant cruise like that the footwork in that flight alone would be something to behold so there's a lot of fights. I would love to see frankly if i up on what are your thoughts on. Max holloway mac's always run at featherweight he did come up short to disapora on the atlantic hard which many considered one of the greatest title fights ever but i- ticket was overshadowed by the coma june israel out of signing kelvin gasoline which blew me away is max holloway featherweight adverb. Max holloway does like to call himself that by the right now house between him and aldo. It's because he although twice it's it's easy to to put him in that category but <hes> <hes> other also had a ridiculous run <hes> at one forty five eighths. I'd like to make this call in another year or two and not now <hes>. I'm also biased. Actually i met maximum show in hawaii years ago and he brought his son and he was the nicest meltdown guy played <hes> you've u._f._c. which embarrassing i love the game to meet him as soon as i met him and his son i it's hard of meat like to say a negative word at all about max so does based on. I gotta say i'm biased. Probably if being with you know max is the greatest right now but <hes> i'd like to see the naski five thousand next west continued <unk> but i don't think the bulk nasty biters is give me the at all <unk> <hes> and a guy brian you. Can you know strike well. I i like to live. I think it's a challenge but i i love to see you. Don't even know it. It'd be kind of cool to see him. Hold fifty five on the forty bucks allergy tried to do <hes>. I love seem to try to clean out. The division in this guy is like sabih still. I don't think of the top five yeah. He had to ask another questions. He's fine calvin cater in the <unk> boston. Those guys is are both very young and they're both rapidly sending <hes> korean zombie supposedly wants to fight brian ortega in a five and asking for him for about six years now in the jeremy stevens in spite <unk> rodriguez in the main event that using mexico city card so there's no shortage of contenders a feather way right now exactly exactly so i'd love to see instigated forty five and and he's talked to about light he's made some they sound ridiculous to me at like one day fighting light heavyweight at long daniel cornea which is just i think just that mentality of guy who wanted to go take on any talent which i think really dares him fans but i honestly selfishly continued to safely make the cut at forty five. I love to see him like take like you said there's so many great match forty five seem to kind of i think the only thing that will stop them from doing that as he does not have the easiest cuts at one forty five and i know max pace will only bring that up but i just think it's it's it's a reality he fell out of that fight against brian ortega days before the fight and he doesn't look great getting skill but he makes it every time so if he can keep making it and doing get healthy keep doing but if you watch the user to forty prescott or someone asked. Would you fight vulcanology in australia in october. He said i've done three five on title-fights divides in seven months. I want to get my brain checked out before. I even think about fighting october so he's doing the right things. He had a son up there. He thought he goes. I have a son i'm not fighting until my brain's arms unhealthy dry and i and i'm glad that he's taking that approach. <hes> like some of the comments made <unk> he handles everything so well and graciously and i think it's very representative of sport especially with what we know about c._t. And and that stuff up it's cool to see him like because as fans will again i'd love to see the ball grasping fight incredible <unk> himself and doing what's best for burn. We're coming up on a little bit of time and obviously i could talk for hours about but i don't think people want to hear me talk about so there's a few big title fights coming up so we'll just all this named <unk> your thoughts give prediction. If you want you don't have to we talked about dan cormet versus steeping we talk on ideas presenting pedestal habib versus dust emporia in abu dhabi undisputed lightweight title habib has said this obviously isn't as big a fight as connor but he's he he respects doesn't point very a very drastic change of of promotion from the last fight habib with conor mcgregor the bus throwing everything. What are you doing that fight so you can give you want. It's gonna dhabi so i consider this enemy territory for dustin poirier. I agree as well <hes>. It's i feel like every invite dusty. Those into people can sleep on like oh beck is incredible and he goes to the next bite. He got to do the same thing but it's also could be man and i. I just don't know oh how you you stop. The relentless. Take downs the ground and pound. I think you'd have to get the the guy's never lost now blenders so <hes> it's it's a couple of though and i'd love to see you know dustin need like slow downs at all but <hes> yeah i don't be there. I think our cameron casey lied and said the best when he was on the a side is everyone keeps talking about can stop the take down. I don't think that's the question we have to ask. I think it's it's can he stop the take down and then stop another. Take down and then stop another because you start one. There's probably one coming right after so he he asked do when no one has ever done in his life and that's being made but israel arado whittaker in israel out of sonya biting on that marvel stadium down in melbourne a sixty thousand seat stadium whitaker hasn't fought since he is his win against your romero in chicago and i think beating romero's most impressive thing a middle aged and robert wood has done it twice and i don't think his body is ever going to be the same after those fights because those two were the wars and we we saw what luc rockall said kicking your romero's kicking a fire hydrant like it hurts you when you can like you can lead to his ribs in a hurt your foot so he gruden twice by israel has gone looks uber impressive. That win against goslin blew me away. What are your thoughts on that fight. I love colonialism personality in fighter and i think he brings so as a fan. I love watching him. Speak otherwise by a liberty brings <hes> if forced. Where's the pig man. I whitaker is just like you said just so talk a children's incredible <hes> i feel like he'll he'll have the edge spar bars our <hes>. It's a great fight. I love doing australia sometimes. We'll see missteps by that. Wherever it's clear to australia in some reason we're doing elsewhere but i'm i'm glad that bite being made there <hes> if were to pick one. I'd go bobby knuckles also. I don't know why he doesn't lead ins that nickname incredible nickname i agree. He said that he doesn't like he lives on the other side of the world and like sometimes fans talking just doesn't ear so he came to american. He's what is what the ease bobby knuckles would. Where did this come from. It's great. I love it. I love that man a huge by an what i'm really excited yeah i i. I can't take that one yet. That's so this i like. It is relies on is this is the longest time he's off between fights in the u._f._c. like he fought in november and there was i think i'm gonna go on vacation and then he fought in february against anderson silva and i think i'm going to go on vacation and then he fought cover gas ltd atlanta in april so this this is the longest we've seen with as long as israel sonya if he's coming in with no nicks urbain's or anything i don't. I favored the most the more active to fight. I mean he's bought like six times five or six times bible winters last fight but i didn't think it was gonna be jacques ready. I didn't think he was going to be your mail for the first time he's one of the like you said doesn't every fight he's and i think people kind of overlooked him but so i think that's a coin flip for me right now and then one final line one there is a title fight this weekend that no one asked about valentina shevchenko rematch liz carr moods for the women's flyweight title the last time we saw balancing <unk> shank though she was sending jessica i into the ether with a head. What do you make of that fight and is doesn't anyone in the women's flyweight division posted threat for balloting shankill. No i guess who i believe is over but i was also eons. Go <hes> i. It was very strange sight i didn't i didn't expect it to be made. One twenty five also is not deepest division note so i'm not even entirely sure i think as tatyana is injury. Maybe tatyana right now but forgive me yeah. Contributive wasn't a twenty five. There is roxanne. There's jennifer mayes in that one jar. You brings. I think jumped up to once or she's at one thirty five zero so we at one twenty five is not the kagins and other one does calderwood like i think right now is in that similar to win rhonda arose. I'd like you to wins in a row and all of a sudden. You're fighting for a title right. I just don't <hes> it's an odd bite. I i guess we gotta run down twenty five you know what else are you gonna. Make <hes> i the thing that intrigues me. I know they fought for but i would love to see amanda unbalancing again. <hes> your kalemie man telling me but it feels like if bouncing sized sized one twenty five that feels like a division that she'll own as long as she wants to <hes> unlike decisively. I choose just so so technical tower <hes> she can. She does everything i don't. I don't see this when listeners by being close. I think the only thing is lauren. Murphy spoke with dana cigar on our site and she just one at u._c. Newark is the strongest female female fighters who's ever experienced in her life. She came damn near close to beating ronda arousing and that debut when she had that that she had that backpack naked joke in before she got <hes> not been on purpose buddy over the mouthpiece is more of a pain show rather than a submission but she cambridge damn near close to become an spanaway champion at u._c. debut. She's one of those fires that thing that could be any wanted. I am very intrigued by that by coleman vento consenting leukemia mike apparent. Mike berry doesn't really like me but i our former coworker sean. I'll shoddy stinks vincent say luke as the most underrated fighter on the entire u._c. Roster do do you have any thoughts on that. I think that is is a barn burner of a wealthy white flight agree that a lot of our rena flight credit on now is on movable. Yes sorta dig- i'm. I'm mike theories. One of those guys who's just he's gonna wanna brawl <unk> when he spent time in in albuquerque he he got him to settled down a little bit more technical <hes> but i feel like that'll be great. I believe he's back in florida now training with chocolate and everyone so i think he did a cholera the camps with albuquerque and then he went back so but i kinda liked seeing fighters bounce around changes can't like everything because he's trying to accrue all of these fields so i'd slightly favor louganis fight though were pretty much at time and you know how the works you get so talk. Say whatever you want to the fans at the end. I know you guys have a big pay per view coming up on sunday so biggie. I think you've done one of these before but the promo is yours my man yes <hes> my your guy would kill me if i did not blood somerset whatsoever. Save is coming up. This sunday in ronald is gonna be incredible. Incredible show scotiabank rita. I believe the incredible sorta. Come out my mike's childhood idol older will be an action as incredible former former. I believe a li exc- emanate commentator bill goldberg flag it also hope became single be an action against ready or finished wwf championship that will be incredible. Make sure to watch that and it's <hes> the big show of summer so make sure to watch summer slam <hes> yeah. That's that's it. I gotta make sure to plug summer. Sam and kill me on the w._b. Network right now require early lead still nine ninety nine in a month. Get the w._w._e. Incredible what a great library. We have original programming shows like to live but so much wrestling. We also have the old collection from decent w you in w._c._w. Make sure to buy w._w._e. Network lease so that all people that pay be pleased me and allowed me to do these things so that's my plug for w._w._e. Summer's same coming up this sunday toronto watch and former u._f._c. heavyweight champion prop listener. I believe putting his university on the line against what the captain chevrons yes yes. Yes yes of course so big big bay summer slam coming up in for my plug. I just want to say you use your lights is low key and unbelievable. Okay i mean dot dmitri's johnson was one of those dominant champions that was so dominant i think a lotta people bottle barn and they almost got rid of it division because she was too dominant and i think we're in the makings of seeing that with balancing shivshankar. I think she's really gonna be one of the more long sour in my mind is always fantasy the genesis of these tolerance so that's my club watch us uruguay because it's lo fi unbelievable but for jose. That's one third of the wwf. Have you ever smackdown tag team. Champions big big anytime you wanna come on. I'm always down and talk with you. I think our audience sloan scrolling comments. No i can't believe be b. He watched vincennes a game brian bahrain. 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"<music> welcome to ride with love. I'm you heist. Sarah williams selling author speaker and creative entrepreneur each week. I checked too passionate conspiring olefins janey in creative writing some are traditionally published some do it themselves. Everyone's janney is different and everyone has something interesting to say. We all love love and love will be today's show is brought to you by our amazing fans and supporters unpatriotic. If you'd i'd like to help support the shot and get some awesome bonus episodes very to patriotic dot com forward slash. Sarah williams author to learn more now now. He is today's show. Get i get a i'm sarah williams. Thanks for joining me fit episode nine of right with love. I'm recording this on friday. Thirtieth breath of august two thousand nineteen and july. I attended the roy means writers of america national conference in new york city. It was is incredible. I sat in on some great workshops and listen to some very talented o._j.'s. 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Thank you for helping me no worries up wanted you on the show for a long time and finally managed to nihil you down uh-huh i would like to tell us about yourself and your jany two publications so far or at always well. I might just start off with the basics. I've been happily married for twenty six years and i have <hes> my husband i have two daughters who are all grown growing up and have left harms empty nester as of a couple of weeks ago <hes> what else about me for took about writing up to cook love to travel i love to tomato and obese lay by books so tell us about when you face started in writing and became a couple stools is well. I am i right story romance and that's always been a <unk> since o.'s very young <hes>. I'd i read jane when i was in primary school and i think i understood half of it that from that point on. I just knew that that's what i wanted to do but it took me quite a few years actually to to knuckle down and actually i put is to the grindstone and actually get my facebook greeson. Sorry i yeah i i was a speech pathologist for twenty years and had my family and then in two thousand twelve. I decided routes. I started about eight years before dash. I'd written a couple of chapters go. I'm just gonna rot his book so took six months so of speech pathologist and the spoken to the end abed it was november two thousand twelve and i just went. What do do i do next like. I have no idea about publishing. I don't know who to submit it to sir. I joined by matt scott as a stray and <hes> i think it was about a week lifted guard it into the emerald award for unpublished manuscripts. Sorry i i joined. I entered and volunteer at came second so that was cold. <hes> at the time capturing the master strapping so it's a scottish <hes> jacobite rebellion roy mats it like atlanta. <hes> is our time travel but it's the same period of history and <hes> get it just been working on my my riding my craft since <hes> that i sort of went through rounds of mesa meeting pitching at the next few years got rejected addicted about two times but wouldn't get up in the meantime i will serve started writing some of the uk's and <hes> in two thousand and fourteen <hes> my fist regency romance cold <hes> lady beecham's proposal <hes> it got picked up by a small press so that's why i became officially published yeah and then maastricht benefits lego picked up my skate publishing in two thousand and victim and came out in two thousand sixteen so yeah i write regency and scottish historic calls and i'm a hybrid published author sir. You're off to mindy publish titles and done traditionally published as well so what was it. They pulled you into writing historic. Who's not quite contain pareo spoon this. It's fascinating may i didn't i just as i mentioned since childhood. I always loved <hes> story said in the past. I studied history at high school and i i just <hes> for me. That's my fantasy world. Yeah <hes> it's it's not like the every day and and i particularly loved the the regency area eero because of <hes> all the <hes> well the fashions like i love the clothes at the women wear you know the minute the sexy britches i. I love that they was <hes>. That was the you know. The polio wars were happening. There's a lot of social change <hes> and it was also a period buried where people started to able to marry for love not just <hes> the nobility. You know prior to that. It was very much about <hes> uh-huh marrying fool <hes> you know improving your family's most in life third marrying film condition and for money and that was still important than but he could actually mary flow as well sorry that intrigues me yeah yeah. That's cool so <hes> yeah we talk about how you traditionally end indie self-published and you've got about full series on the go at the moment say that rescue ask you pretty busy. Oh yes it does and i feel a little bit guilty. Some of my m my readers who have been waiting for so the next book to come out in one particular series <hes> yeah because i'm i'm sort of divided. I am yes. I am had them sort of coming. Juden dreads at the moment that's going to be on break defied steering bit tom yeah i've got my schedulers regency. Would i series which is so published goes. <hes> lady beecham's proposal and the ice touches <hes> <hes> they've been out for a few years now but i'm working on the third book sorry <hes> <hes> that will be coming out mixture <hes> by got some self published roxy regency novellas or if you like books on the spicy assigned went <hes> yeah there's an improper proposition improper governors and they had to say this and then <hes> yeah. I've got my traditionally published books. I got two titles with skype. Publishing which <hes> monster stretch ends in two thousand eighteen ahead on the laid back book come out and then i've also got <hes> a three book series coming out. We beckley sexually fist books. Come out <hes> it's cold had to catch a viscount and yet it's it's. It's a regency series. You know luckily can you. Can you tell us a little bit more about that so we can <hes> we can ghetto canes. Go out and buy weekly sorry. All this series is the fifth spoke in a series. It's called the disreputable debutante. Sorry it's about the group of young women who <hes> at the beginning of the book the first book they're attending a young ladies academy and and <hes> they decide to have. I guess it's a modern day equivalent of adorn party. Sorry they <hes> <hes> a drinking some brandy and smoking working cigarette lawyers and looking at <hes> account of another word for it pictures books because one of the friends decides that they they need to know what been really like walks and that he will be naive when they going into the to the marriage mile an each night walked like hells roles and and made at the time of probably looking for sorry <hes> yet i get sprung and then they get expelled sorry they've got these ruined reputation and so they have to think of other ways <hes> about how they going to to fund they love matches because they went beating invited to balls anymore and of yes i basically series flory's <hes> the journeys of of each of my heroines in the first book the heroine's dinosaur she right swell and she's a m quite a shy young woman <hes> families in a bit of financial straits and there's a lot a lot of pressure from the family to make a good marriage <hes> so they don't lose their family property <hes> and her stepfather's pressuring her to marry a a <hes> a naive but that here's a dictator. Sorry is really important for her to to get out of that situation <hes> and complicating that is she's got. I am a huge crush on her friend's older brother so he's the wicked viscounts so he's the hero story and <hes> yes focuses is on sophie and night <hes> friend's older brother and how they find the heck neighbor after lonzo my couch torreta its recently ed released so it's everywhere and pay for that and book. Yes yes and it's also going to be all is outing audiard's. Sorry that's familiar exhausting. Sorry thrilled about this this booking audio congratulations. She's into audio so yea now. I you have written <hes> they scottish historical as well and <hes> i recently come back from scotland and i'm about to write my very faced historical remains and this is basically the fittest time i'm admitting to this. This is put gas in the may. It's a i'm a huge fan. Ainley speed my spare time. We're outlay was trying to find. Jamie didn't find him but i i would love to talk to you about doing the research and stuff like i was there in my family is from scotland and i did visit my families the council glare gareth akasa which was stunning <hes> but i'm still very early days in writing this writing this historic remain so tell tell me about your crisis in your racers like. Did you have to do a whole bunch in the beginning and now you kind of know so much say you're not having to do as much research such make like that. I've been reading <hes> strand historic romance years and years. I mean that's it's my go-to genre. I'd i'd a little bit of contemporary and and crime suspense fiction but most of what i read is <hes> historical riots are <hes> you know <hes> <hes> absorbed a loss of he straight and and i guess would have a bit of word culture of the time. The periods are rushing but that's not to say. I'm not learning new things all the time light. Whenever i sit down to sit down to write a book <hes> i'm very much a plotter out <hes> yet if they say issue with <hes> an inheritance <hes> <hes> <hes> if there's <hes> by scottish story calls you know i had to know a fair bit about the jacobite rebellion and the battle of claudia in and <hes> yellow read up on those particular on topics <hes> this all sorry. I'm a a lot that's <hes> i yeah i make sure i'm correct with the <hes> the language that i use are <hes> historic story cool <hes> romance fans of a very savvy about how people spoke back then are i'm always looking at the dictionary okay and um resources like the on land online etymology dictionary gosh that's had to say to to check the phrases in the words that i'm using <hes> where actually used used time in an anachronistic <hes> yet you don't want your language to sound to motor and <hes> yeah that's something that i'm always doing yeah and yet researching researching the fashions of the time <hes> the the social moi's <hes> titles can be a on quite tricky tongs of the nobility. 'cause i rise <hes> about the aristocracy <hes> yeah you there are so many things that <hes> that you do need to shake like even now on a double check with toddlers. Write my books <hes> but i love doing it or yeah. Ah i read signs at least some particular websites that you found actually accurate eight a good places for people to go to when they went awry historical. Gosh a lot of 'em really semi old. Is that i'd buy do do blogs about particular have blog posts about particular topics. <hes> you probably have the mesa think of particular <hes> like an own fiction title that i can <hes> <hes> recommend off the top of my head <hes>. I'm i am <hes>. I network with a load of this as well sartor. <hes> you know if there's something that particularly stuck on i need to find a primary source all all <hes> we asked questions like can you recommend a particular resource. Sorry yet it's also i'm very much case. If sometimes you don't the dark noise sorry it is good to to read as widely as you can nonfiction and fiction sources as well yeah. I'm just at the very early stages where that helps at all yeah. It's very early and i'm just i've got save an idea and it's like oh my god by how how do they dress. How did they bother and when i was roommates ride is in new york the american conference few weeks agai. I and they were doing costumes and <hes> there were putting on the bus melissa things oh my god. This is so my hey there will be some you can even find like <hes> she twirls how women dressed christian <hes> eighteenth century clydes and you can say <hes> gave women showing you put on a._m. Or the petty carts and the is and and the petting zoo donate skirts and yet the oldest <hes> our window when i first started out sorry i'm getting these days is much easier to find out <hes> yeah those oval really important well. I'd love if he could tell us more about your book. The lead of black clark because like you're saying that is said just after claughton into claude not had family he fought and collado sites to which is funny. Tell us more about that book in in the story story line for it looks conway star rating it thank you yes. The land of blacklock is <hes> the story about <hes> will hear his name's alex and he force <hes> for uh when he prints charlie so on the losing side sorry <hes> he's family wanted <hes> astute king on the throne. Sorry <hes> if you're in atlanta you probably get all that background but i boy you too much but basically his family picks the losing side and <hes> this rival clan who <hes> headlands that adjoin his who are on the winning side sorry the hanoverian side and <hes> these clans have been <hes> <hes> sort of at loggerheads folk for centuries and <hes> they part of the campbell clan the rival clan and they take advantage of the situation and and basically <hes> when alex's arriving after the battle to make sure his his family is our k- <hes> the the rival clan <hes> is decimating his castle and his family suffers and he basically loses everything sorry at the beginning of the book we have oh alex her's been warranted. He's lost everything and <hes> he he's basically on the ron from the british and he bows to take vengeance against <hes> alcon the m a he's the earl of taipei <hes> sorry sorry in taken years <hes> down the track <hes> alex has chosen eleusis and he's he's made a lot of money and <hes> he uses his <hes> <hes> money to to set about ruining malcolm campbell <hes> the irritate and <hes> one of the <hes> thinks he's found out is malcolm is in dire straits financially a bit the rest of society doesn't nar and <hes> malcolm's plan to <hes> to his situation is to marry a rich air as sarah sarah lambert who's the heroine <hes> and what el- expense to do is escorted dark book at the beginning alex plans to kidnap up sarah. Sir malcolm can't marry her and come into this windfall of money so that's basically the setup for the book. I'll take it a long title. Explain it but some yes sir alex takes sarah and then i'm sorry what are you working on now. Okay <hes> at the moment. I think i mentioned earlier. I'm headway through writing <hes> a milestone suitable countess which she's <hes> the third book in my so so published skinless regency widow series and i hope that will be out middle of nick steel. I'm also rising a <hes> pirates novella for boxing. That's coming out in january. That's going to be called the lady in the privateer. That's saints in the regency era sorry <music>. I'm never written a pirate story before that's a fun during the research and then in <hes> april next year <hes> the second book in my berkeley disreputable debbie taught series <hes>. It's called how to catch an errand earl. It's coming. At least i on the twenty eight the viper. I think yeah slant just seen a draft cover for that and it's gorgeous about that too brilliant well. We can we find you online and have a look cover reveals in the other books that you've out yeah well. I've got my website which is any roy's bennett. Dot com sorry inclined final book stare and i'm on facebook and twitter and good grades and i have amazon is on overpaid so the usual places you you find office hanging out there brilliant well. Thank you so much for joining me today and <hes> hopefully we haven't had you too many technical on <hes> the yeah. I really appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Thanks for joining me today. I hope repeal enjoined the shy jump onto my website. Sarah williams author dot com. Enjoy my mailing list to receive a free preview of my books and lots of other inspiration. If he liked the shy and wanted to continue you can become a sponsor. Just a couple of dole is a month guaranteed patron dot com forward slash sarah williams theft breath and remembers of polite me on facebook twitter and instagram and get to subscribe to my youtube channel and labor of you of the podcast. We'll be back next week with another loved up yep aside by.

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Best Of: 2019 Suey Awards

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

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Best Of: 2019 Suey Awards

"Bothers is coming back to h._b._o. And the stakes have never been higher twain johnson returns as the former football star spencer stress more as he goes after his biggest opportunity at bothers. There's air sundays at ten thirty pm only on h._b._o. B- dan joe podcast is presented by the capital one venture car when you are an unlimited double miles on every purchase your next <unk> trip closer than you think capital one. What's in your wallet. This is the dan lebatardshow with this two cats podcasts john mcenroe on i take probably not where they wanted to start on the news but they had already booked john mcenroe and usually that's a good booking but i guess they're probably just going to talk to him about andrew luck because a lot of pimple are talking about a seismic shocking decision decision that is seismic and shocking for a number of reasons not the least of which is we all kind of thought this guy loved football and the idea idea that he's out of it makes me feel like it's more of an indictment of the sport then of him that he broke his body. He broke his mind and at the end with colts colts fans booing they broke his heart broke every part of him before he got to thirty and i know he's not a martyr today but i want you to consider for a second how many hundreds of millions millions of dollars he just left off the table. Given the dak prescott is asking for thirty million dollars a year. It must have been awfully hard awfully the hard to snub his city his teammates his supporters his relationships and hundreds of millions of dollars he must have been in a great deal of physical physical and emotional pain to choose it that days before the season billy is heartbroken back. There billie is putting together montage. It's not ready on time of andrew sadness. He says he's been made more sad going through the archives of andrew lock because he's a show favored here than when some people around here have died and he has to do the montage it. Here's the thing this could have been ready to start the show but i wanna give this the proper respect and attention it deserves and as you said yes. This is one of the saddest projects i've ever had to do because i can see right now. Your eyes are back two years fighting it back because i realize he's he's just gone on from football and he made this decision and this is the right decision for him and yada yada but it's very sad for us like this is a very sad day for me and i don't want to make this about about me but i'm going to miss him so much and i was so sad dan. I watched the whole press conference twenty four twenty five minutes however long. I want to give them a hug. What did we do to him mm-hmm. What did we do to him as a sport as americans. What did we do to this poor andrew luck. Well you mad at him. No the opposite uganda's. It's got a little mad at him because god's voice of the fan and not surprisingly stu gotz thinks he should have been booed leaving the field because a lot of people understand the frustration russian and anger of hey man. This season was all set up. Why a few days before the season starts. Are you lobbing this grenade at colts fan. The ants who have gotten very used to having a quarterback stable for twenty damn years twenty years at that position it has it has to be the most entitled quarterback base in the entire your country where you've had a i guess the patriots but you've had twenty damn years of exceptional quarterback play and he took it away from you right before the season started the way those fans who are at the stadium found out was pretty unprecedented it was and so in that moment right they were shocked. They had no idea there in the stands watching the game. They're thinking they're team is going to be a super bowl favorite favorite to come out of the a._f._c. and then all of a sudden they learned the news of andrew luck and so what do they do they boo and then what happens we criticize them for boeing so we can't they can't tell andrew luck how to live his life but we are perfectly co <hes> comfortable as a media telling fans had to live their lives and ed to me. That seems patently absurd. Fans don't care about the athletes and fans care about themselves. They'll care about andrew luck. They care about andrew luck. As long as andrew. Luck is playing every sunday thrown throw for four hundred yards and three touchdowns and delivering victories. That's all they care about. A mistake gets made all the time. Though is that fans think it's a relationship when it's a transaction in an andrew luck thought it was a relationship and realized that the end it's a transaction it's not and in sickness and in health. It's just in health they. They don't love you in sickness unless you die then they'll love you if you die. If you're sick enough to actually die then they'll love you but it's not in sickness sickness and in health. It's only in health. It's how it's directly proportional to how good you make me feel and if you take it away from me. It's a dysfunctional relationship. It's not allowed to be a relationship. Let's it's a dysfunctional one because otherwise it's the transaction andrew luck was heartbroken at the end his body and mind we're already done and then you broke his heart because that had to be hard for him to do to choose. I'm going to choose happiness. I'm gonna choose me. I'm going to choose myself. I'm going to choose my health. I'm gonna choose my new bride. I'm sure it was difficult. I'm certain it was difficult and i have no issue with andrew luck doing it. I have issues with everyone blasting the fans for booing andrew luck for doing well. Here's here's what's happening fair enough right. You have more on that. Excuse me i didn't cut you <hes>. This is what's happening. People are taking sides on this because doug gottlieb you been dan dockage are giving voice to those angry fans. Doug gottlieb is doing it on twitter by saying retiring because rehabbing his quote too hard is the most millennial thing ever hashtag andrew luck. Dan dockage says quote. I have family working in steel. Mills cops teachers making far less than this guy is tired heard my backside and so the people who came after him were interesting because troy aikman came after gottlieb and troy aikman doesn't come after anybody know troy aikman's that's total bull bleep doug what qualifies you to decide how someone should live their life so you're now the authority on what motivates andrew luck and if his the decisions don't fit into what you think is best for him then you rip him. Guess that keeps you employed on f s one nice. Everyone knows what he was doing. Drop the f s one site. Hey i work for fox two more key america's game but torrey smith just nuke dot leave because again gottlieb's just tweet is retiring because rehabbing his quote too hard is the most millennial thing ever torrey smith berries gottlieb with you stole credit cards cards because working was too hard that is rudolph. That's a collegiate crime from doug gottlieb. That's still haunting him. A quarter order century later torrey smith has not forgotten but here's steve beuerlein and steve berlin sort of to me represents average quarterback ax in personality in play and everything just the height of totally average commitment to the position that caused aw the the the the the banal things you have to say in front of your locker like <hes> all the stuff that that an average a totally average quarterback back is steve. Berlin represents better than anybody to the godly millennial criticism. Pablo had a good tweet that i think should apply you can't be called the millennial if you have a flip phone phone burr line saying i'm a huge andrew luck fan always have we have been but this i cannot defend or justify no scenario where retirement is defensible to do this to his teammates organization fans and the n._f._l. Two weeks before the season is just not right. I love the guy but this will haunt him and what i would say burr line mine is you probably don't know angela physical pain because he kept trying to get back and he kept trying to get back and he had set back after physical setback and i don't know how much pain rain or how hopeless he felt after already his shoulders been botched then it becomes a calf and frank reich is talking about this might be kevin durant situation three m._r._i.'s. We can't figure out what's wrong now. It's the ankle and it's medicine and medicine and medicine and i'm sorry if i'm andrew luck and i've got a new wife now. I don't need to be developing opiate addiction for you but i'm guessing berlin and probably wishes he had the talent that andrew cat you're right. He is perfectly average. She's an eighty quarterback rating for his career that is average. When you look up average quarterback in the dictionary steve berlin his face comes up okay so and i guarantee your berlin wishes he can go back and play again the n._f._l. With andrew locks kind of talent and would give anything to have the ability to do that but then here's here's what people see they see the shawn watson playoff game can barely breathe rib injury and he takes a bus to jacksonville to play in that game. That's what fans expect from there gordon dum dum and give it and give it time because andrew luck was in that cycle he gave voice to it. He said the hardest part is like fighting my way back from that other injury injury that forced me to miss the entire year and doing entire offseason rehab and not being able to practice with my team. I told myself if it ever got to that point again. I'm simply not going to do it and he sucked to his gones. Stugatz is arguing on behalf of the expectations in the entire culture of pressure all of it. It's what i told you but kevin durant got you forget real quick the the everyone everyone was putting pressure on kevin durant to come back and look at what happened and who has to live with that rehab nobody but him no old buddy but him but everybody and that's and that's basketball. That's totally safe football. It's worse football and hockey are the worst off it off your finger and keep playing do what chris simms didn't play through a spleen leakage that <hes> you know has you on the cusp of death that night andrew one of andrew alexa many any injuries is a lacerated kidney but we're so accustomed to seeing players do whatever it is they have to do that. Ends now. Look bronchitis retired and everyone understood stood. Yeah that looked like it hurt being him looked like it hurt and he's bigger than everyone else. Everyone understood on grunk yeah a lot of surgeries. That seems like it sucked. I i understand why you would leave but he gave ableson entire offseason to prepare dan. This was before the season peter for your that. I live this with ricky williams. It was horrible. I lived it because of the timing. There ain't no all right time. There is a better time but there ain't no right time to quit on your city your supporters. Your teammates are going to call you selfish. Loser donlevatar is shop no a longer high school class of any sort. I don't think so. I think that's only in the movies i i don't know anyone who ever went to high school where they had like woodwork as a class my dad did you made lamp actually stugatz. I'm trying to think of more useless contribution to the show then my father made a live in woodwork wouldn't lamps evidently roy's rolls evidently roy grew up the hard scrabble times of wooden lamps made by your father and ice ice cream like wired and everything yeah yeah. It worked yeah. No public school systems really failing us. I could make a lamp if i had to put it on the poll jamaica lamp these season jason lebatardshow with two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio rory mcilroy. You did it again like spending. I wrote voted out adequately entire break practicing it and you did it again. It's like elroy the kid in the jetsons mac elroy rory mcelroy. It's a tough one those two hells men but i could say lama those mcelroy have to an i and maybe that's the problem. I didn't know that mcilroy the eye out. It changes everything raziq raziq. If we took the you out it would fix it as well bags dead anyway. One of the tour championship at thirteen under par wasn't hurt. It actually mean mean to monday. Forgive you andrew lock out anyway. He won the fedex cup and the biggest payout in golf history fifteen gene million dollars. Wow louisiana one is. I literally world series title as river ridge defeated curious how eight to nothing and finally firefighters in in estacada oregon rescued a woman they said was trapped in a septic tank possibly for two to three days oh. They said she had to be flown to the hospital. Spital rescuers said they found her lying raw sewage with a face just above it in a tank outside her role home o officials said she lives there alone the woman's daughter who hide in her from her mother and a few days and called nine one one the fire chief says it looks like there was work being done on the septic tank there was detractor in the area and a whole had been dug exposing the tag and then she had fallen through about a two foot by two foot hole. Oh dear god what a a horrific story for all the latest headlines and information tune into sports center on e._s._p._n. Radio all throughout the day. Put it on the poll guillermo. Are there or a longer three days that you can spend <hes> then three days trapped in a small place with sewage up to your chin. Wow oh wow that is worst nightmare type of stuff. Three days can't possibly ever be as long as those three days work. You have not me sideways with that story famously the story of the man who has woes a movie one hundred twenty seven in our who had to cut off his own arm because he was pin between two boulders in a cave. This is worse. I mean it's put it on the poll. Guillermo what's worse <hes> three days and you have to cut off your arm arm or three days trapped in a small hole with sewage not knowing if you'll ever be found weight but i get to keep my arm you get to keep your arm but you don't know when you're in it that you're there's asking. I'm going through it. Either soldier got her all right. You survive and you keep your body parts but you don't know what at the time that's talking about. Which is the worst three things things and i understand. You're allowed to take the other side on this having to cut having to choose to cut off. Your own arm seems awful. He's playing the results. I mean he is. You got to imagine you're in. It didn't james franco shave his arm off with a pencil will not the actor in the movie yeah like it was like a dull like what was it like a swiss army knife some type of deal. That movie did such a vivid <hes> job of making. You know what that feels like so we've got the sui to get to. There are annual awards show. We have to monster categories today one of them in a half hour biggest mistake from the last year. I'm sure that i will be starring in that particular silly. This is a shock to lead with because over the past two years since it was first introduced to sue us. It's been our best picture. We're coming out. The gates was something that historically has been the best picture category. You know how the oscars usually starts with like best s. actor best actress best supporting. Even we're coming out with a bang so its biggest mistake. We've got that for you and a half hour we have to get to wise to his wife is so mad at adam schefter. We have to get to o._j. Simpson's twitter account that is <hes> oddly charming a- and we we want to get to that but first the americans are gonna embarrasses in basketball this year right this <hes>. We just gave it to canada. They we dead eh warehouse back. Game is a mean somewhere here to tell me how scared we should be how panicked our situation. <hes> should be because i really. The're that we're in a situation here where <hes> serbia can blow our doors off where we're we. We might not finish top three. I i do believe this as the re this runs the risk of being the biggest international basketball embarrassment that we've had since russians were stealing games from us with the referee. Joe joe harris started a game. I mean how worried should we be that these americans the kemba walker is not going to be able to save all of a sudden. The charlotte of olympic pick basketball dan. I'm terrified. I'm absolutely terrified that the sum of all fears is going to happen and what a lot of people don't realize that keep i'm saying oh but we have a roster full of n._b._a. Players no other country can claim that and that's nice depth is nice but the problem isn't a forty minute game if i could play janas thirty seven of them well then it doesn't matter how many n._b._a. Players i have none of them are as good as him and we all know that in basketball one player can dominate the sport. It's not even it's not even the greeks that i'm scared of though i should be. It's the serbians. They play together in their coaches out here. Saying may god help the american no no. That's never afraid rated. No more coaches out of your trash-talking. They think that they're better. They think they're better than us and they they have a reasonably confident and i think that's a big thing here is we've moved past the point of look. They're not afraid of us to they're confident they are confident that they can beat us and it doesn't help when we go out and we play against australia and we let patty mills with alan iverson and so i brought this up the first game we beat them and everyone's well patty. Mills international players always granted yes but he's seven hundred years old. This is patty mills a ten years ago. This is patty mills right now giving it to us and if we can't stop him. How are we gonna stop bogdanovich. How are we gonna stop yokich jaanus. We gotta take this stuff seriously but you know what in the big red flag was down. The the biggest red flag was when they lost a scrimmage against the u._s._a. Select team led by luminaries like the quan jeffries and chris kilter luminaries they lost by three points and so they ran it back and then lost by twenty one. We're in trouble well. We are in trouble yeah. We're in trouble trouble and it on the poll guillermo lebatardshow. Does it mean to be official and notarized u._s._a. Basketball is in deep deep trouble. It's gonna be fun though lovable basketball underdog the little engine that could united states basketball imagine they pull it off right. I mean would it be like the the miracle recall on ice by the way you've followed basketball twitter some what's happening here with o._j. Simpson twitter mike <hes> last week. You told us you don't know how to i feel about this because your charm by him on twitter or yeah. He's such a great follow. He's charming and the production value has really improved each and every entry entry. It's just really difficult for me to process because i believe he has killed two people right and so he had he launched <hes> he launched he was the real victim in this whole andrew luck situation because he had just drafted him an hour before and his fantasy league and o. J. simpson has every right to why. I don't want to say with automatic later. He has every right to be angry at andrew luck. This video starts off so great because it starts with a slow pan again. The production value also one of the better lit videos of the o._j. Simpson twitter experience so far sitting at a draft table dejected having a glass of red wine. Here's the choose what do you could've retired hour to go before pitching in my bed i mean what do i do this to come out of retirement and if you're wondering that comes courtesy of the real o._j. Thirty two on twitter nirmal put on the poll did that sound like murderous rage from a charming and polished polished yours truly. J simpson doesn't refer to himself as o._j. Simpson because he knows how stain that name is he just goes. It's yours truly still a thing this row j. and now i've made it a thing. I use it so much but then shows you how embarrassed i am now watching videos constantly johnson lee then i've been work shopping limited they go oh boy oh of this might be a sui nominee for next slowdown they won't be don't you remember vague alvin gentry. I mean hold on a second. Just let's tease it a little bit here because we're going to build up to something so the audience plans can have something to light fatted pressure maximum disappointments. Come oliver's impressions are variations of obama still got. You're trying to drink more water liquid via the fastest most efficient way to stay hydrated liquid i._v. Hydrogen two to three times faster more efficiently than water alone with an added bonus. A vitamin c b three b five b six twelve liquid i._v. Is the fastest growing wellness brand. 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Today bolers is making a tightly anticipated return to h._b._o. On august twenty fifth doing johnson returns as spencer stress more a retired football all star about two faces biggest challenge yet also starring golden globe nominee john david washington with guest stars like odell beckham junior and other celebrities and athletes even russell brand. Dan returns as the c._e._o. Of sports x. and extreme sports media company the stakes of never been higher spencer tries to leave his past behind and reach the highest levels of the sport. It's it's not where you start. It's where you finish bothers. Their sundays at ten thirty pm only on h._b._o. Donlevatar because bobby is retiring. The company is celebrating deliberating him the last great journalist that e._s._p._n. Is leaving jeremy shaft word but nobody ever said the letters better than jeremy schaap back when they used to sign off with that. I'm jeremy shat e._s._p._n. Chris rachel nichols would like to have a world. That's right stugatz. Put it on the poll guillermo who says the letters the better of jeremy schaap rachel. They stopped doing that. Let's bring that back. Are you. Bring it back. I will do that. I'm chris cody e._s._p._n. U._c.'s the dan on lebatardshow with those two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio at finally a shopper was caught on camera pooping on the floor of a supermarket before <hes> discreetly kicking his feces under a fridge cici tv captured the incident in turkey and it was later shared on social media after an attempt to hide had a pool and the i'll the man went to the counter where he allowed another lump of putu fall down his shorts and onto the floor which he then attempted to kick under an ice as cream refrigerator however instead of concealing the poo he ends up spearing it across the floor with his blue crocs. The cashier inquired about the first lump of poop left in the aisle but the man denied knowledge of it and continued paying for his items before leaving lots of tequila and then fondue is a big mess. I didn't mean for any of that to happen abbott fund. Do no one your kids get over school with blake. Motion activated security cameras save up to twenty percent through labor day during being blinks at giant back to school sale visit blinkprotect dot com slash sale today blinkprotect dot com slash sale for all the latest headlines information tune into sports center on e._s._p._n. Radio all throughout the day we will get to a mean l. Hassans much anticipated <hes> limited fake o._j. Simpson impression oh yeah we have a sad adv billy dale still working through tears on an andrew luck montage that may or may not be done before andrew luck returns to football in three years when we started it was forty five minutes. It's long. I've trimmed it down to about twenty seven right now so we're almost ready. Keep working on them. You let me know if we can react to the news of the day today or whether we have to wait several months for you to do your job <hes> so the sui awards the sui awards are our annual award show and we begin. We come out of gate. We're doing it all week. This is the biggest mistake you're gonna have a chance to vote at lebatardshow one twitter. What was the biggest mistake made over the last year by anyone around our show. Let me introduce our host greg cody and and now the sui nominees for worst mistake. Dan calls kenyan drake kendrick drake. Kendrick drake is gonna join us here. Kenyan drake rake fun to rappers drake. You know what i'm gonna go out for two minutes. Let's start the weekend can observation drake. I honest to god. I'm worried i am. I am sadat screws up the name bob buchner within twenty ninety four hours of firing previous coach bob boehner. Dan awkwardly wishes j. lo a happy birthday. All of you are having the same reaction fifty see for j._d. How and congratulations jay girl 'cause. You're li- girl. You're still a girl chris. Cody can't read or nine many m._l._b. Players i won't let anyone touch their glove so not to mess with its shape touch mine phillips said and we will fight. I want foolishly asked mark bellinger. If i could try on his glove love i would kill you before. I'd let you touch that he said. How do we feel about the reading chris doing so far 'cause they're eight more of these go going. I don't trust the i've lost faith. Push through gaming walmart push through i can't do more of this is how it's going to be read. I can only only tolerate one consistently bad reader around here. Squinted his is number ten on thinking we might get a brow wipe here number nine. Are you losing eyesight number eight chris cody biggest glove. I've ever oh all right. Get out and walk and you get a chance and you blew it. Get out to god's can't talk more terrifying fighting or doing standup. Comedian chris cody screws up teri okita joke. Don't drag me into this. This is a beef between two guys is leave it to the amateurs to this out. Are you in a karaoke league. I mean as to call me chris karaoke aw back roads bringing it today. Greg cody thinks rocky balboa wife's name was gloria. Who else did you want to stay together after the movie rocky rocky and his wife wanted them to stay together forever right yeah. What was her name in the movie gloria. What was it agency. Adrian adrian the screaming gloria. We're dan screws up. Lou williams and mantras heralds name all like you're doing. It's not fair you mentioning lou. Harris williams macho harris. You keep meant cheryl. Excuse me thanks for the terrible finds. Dan screws up the name san francisco giants. John crock was in the fan what grow this is why i'm surprised that billy and chris don't know anything thing about this movie. If i tell you a movie about the san francisco forty giants beneath your joe torre wessel who'll san francisco forty giants the san francisco giant you just merged. Wait wait wait. Was this the same codes because they were not your hand. I was very excited to talk about the fan. Chris cody's terrible contribution. During during the brad stevens interview so my favorite cries chick-fil-a waffle fries yeah there you go yeah as gonna be mad and trouble them in a sauce right brad. You have to follow us. Yeah therapy couch not here chris. Dan's odd gerald mccoy requests favorite chris look up gerald mccoy's i._m._d._b. Let's see how many stats to god's gets right about what what gerald mccoy i._m._d._b. Movies look check it out. Check out. Joe mccoy's pro football focus great greg greg cody says zion williamson will get one point two billion from nike and was right. I can't imagine how much they paid this dude. What do you think over under eighty million. I would say over eighty million over. What's the existing record and then doublet. I mean the existing record is what lebron everyone sort of just sort of assumes that that's like billion billion dollar deal for lebron james i would. I would add twenty percent to whatever the existing record did. Mike just say a billion dollars. You think you think that they're gonna give zion. Williamson williamson's billion dollars yeah twenty and twenty percent yeah right. What's the matter with you. I honestly i know my shoes honestly. Are you a really dumb person. No are you kidding me a billion dollars. What's the record. I'm trying to ask you soldier billion okay then. They'll give them twenty percent. They'll give them one point. Two billion off the top of his head. Tim coaching can only name four of the six unassisted triple plays in baseball history. You know what is the rare playing baseball unassisted triple play and how many other. I'm not sure how many there have been. It's i think it's six or seven mickey moran d ron hansen <hes> randy ba- lardy ready but that was i that's or off the top my kirsch and you're no extra charge utah john fraud fraud we have you on an expert every damn leak and you can only come up with four of the names for the unassisted triple play buster would no i <hes> all right. I'm not sure the other one stu gods can't say the name of a michael jackson song should michael jackson accent saw him be called. Mama say mama say mama gusau. I'm gonna say my mom. You're going to say well. Ma wave mama coosa wartime. Mama say mama saw mama. Mama say mama mama say mama. Sama maku saw that same same coupon no careful now mama saw. He's an american ninja warrior. He's gone for the six hundred ten. The war maku saw greg cody screws up the name yeltsin encarnacion yeltsin the billy gill talk for eight seconds and says nothing charlie sent <hes> charlie had this charlie the as far as i know so just charlie's title a minute will say dan bleeps the wrong word lillard showed a social media clip of him telling telling westbrook. Stop running from this ash bleeping whooping excuse me i'm afraid of all the curse words glad you got screws up the name bo let's go to <hes>. I can't read this person's name eighty. I think billy type don clear as day of the number garri chris corner on the lines e._z. A. dan's odd strategy for deterring burglars blink people. If you don't want to do the work of standing century outside your home and beating off pissing off burglars <hes> tell them about blinks through the way that you can use your cameras to make sure that so you can chasing chase on chase off one way to handle burger. That wouldn't be the way to keep them from coming back. Go get them out of your yard. Get them to keep returning all of a sudden. You've got a bunch of burglars in your yard gut. It shows up at the wrong studio in new york in the calendar and in conversations that i've had with stugatz you're at e._s._p._n. Radio new york on wednesday and then at seaport thursday alien fry forgot. I bet he's seaport right now because he showed up to seaport on monday and tuesday and he's like but they got me here all week so they set up the seaport deport studio even though we were told it wasn't even available so i faced timed with him and he's in front of a green screen and it's not the green screen that i have a live feed for and in trying to patch through seaport it is screwed up our simulcast he has for the first time sabotaged our ability to air this on e._s._p._n. News this this hasn't happened before and also bobbly is retired because of it. The company continues to reward. It continues to ask for more like for example a deal. No one's got at the company which work vacations. Do you see why we don't let you do this. Do you. Now you now senior. I don't understand why this is a perfect start. Judge julia julian edelman is going to be sitting about five feet away ever made a few minutes and get him out of jail out of that. I'm privacy. We're not trying to blame somebody else showing up at the wrong so <hes> so i will say this. These calendars are very confusing. Put a walk in the calendar separate the days i mean it's something that i mean. It looks like three straight days here here. He just firing how 'bout that every direction. He's liking his when he gets his most. The defensive starts swinging one one of his chief weapons in every direction about that for everybody not to mention the fact that you're supposed to be at e._s._p._n. Radio in new york and nazi poor today that being in the calendar. You're a member of the conversation we had about how you you were supposed to be at e._s._p._n. Radio today no sexing for some. That's a blink cast to win. I i don't know man billy was great. I think j. lo fly girl you not being able to differentiate between letters and numbers eighty. Eh you can mistake beaver lake. I don't know if you want to vote named eighty eighty. You're on e._s._p._n. Radio donlevatar then brings up there as the most humbling moment in my life stugatz that getting so drunk on white wine now now on on on a date one time that pooped in a parking lot wait a minute that i just say that allowed that was last week. This is live with our show with these two guys on e._s._p._n. Radio from zach keefer of the athletic we'll get to billy's montage finally here in a minute or two the andrew andrew luck montage has made him more it has made them sadder than he has been sometimes when he is montage on someone's actual death but zac at keeper of the athletic writes that this is the physical toll on andrew luck through six n._f._l. Season torn cartilage to ren ray ribs partially torn abdomen a lacerated aspirated kidney that left him peeing blood at least one concussion a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder now this mysterious calf and ankle thing that he's got also kevin clark of the ringer writes in his first three years. Luck was knocked down. Either hitter sacked three hundred fifty two times. It's sixty more times than any other player. During during that span stu gods though real quick before we get to this montage <hes> you want to give people the cliff notes thirty seconds on why you're mad at the media media saying that colts fans treated <hes> andrew luck poorly because it was just an unprecedented way to find out there at the game. It's instant reaction action. They're looking forward to a super bowl. Potentially a super bowl season here the colts one of the favorites and they find out not the way you know fans would would wanna find out the reaction would be any different but this was unprecedented and i'm just tired of the media telling fans how to react to a story like this fans investment in their teams as well and i don't blame claim andrew luck for retiring if that's what he wanted to do and clearly it's what he wanted to do but i do blame people castigating and pointing a finger at fans who booed him as he walked off the field. Those fans weren't happy. This is funny here. This is from stugotz. His twitter account december sixteenth two thousand thirteen straight from stugotz mouth fans booing calvin johnson pretty ridiculous victimless that is straight from stugatz twitter account. Here's a sad andrew luck montage. You're right. I mean he knows nothing about journalism blue certainly as an how i envisioned this plan this schemes funny. Sometimes the ball bounces. This is weird ways orderly figuratively. Don't go down andrew. Come on you know stay up. I'm particularly proud of are often live. I'd like to read a book or two before four. We start planning. Is that alright absolute classic. It's gonna be a lot of fun to play on thanksgiving because probably every little boy's dream skin like an armadillo hasn't coaches tomorrow. It's it's back to the grindstone. Happy june so just felt like a dam burst open for control you can you control you can control at my copy of girl names. Zippy football's not rocket science play to win. We don't jack cares about this game as much as any guy that are later on. I love it very well. I look back there but i thought we did some really good things i i know i know a lot of fun. They've got depth that guys who can russia guys who can cover the thumpers but just a little tool for social media do get the. I do something a little silly. I talked myself not worth it wondering where he got the inspiration tonight. I dunno in the closet. You'll learn not just gotta keep chipping away. Kit chipping away and trust trust is a huge part of this game greatest team sport in the world. Incredible team is great friend. She give him a big hug. He's he's going to be swallowed. It was truly sometime. Gravitational wanted in their absolutely always gentle. I don't doc and enough of these calls. This is the way i truly feel every every win as a team. When every loss is a team lost. I have no sense of anything. He's quick quick to say. He messed up in front whole team which takes us. I learned so many great things dramatically type of shampoo. No i'm not not hooked up. The duke started throwing yet. We we've talked a lot. He's a good dude. He's probably got the broadest back i've ever seen in my life. There's a game we play play the game. We don't work the game to play football. So frank is the man you won't find a guy that loves football more than frank gore. He's a beautiful teammate. He's he's just a great football players. Great locker guy dot guy. You don't kill attack. I was a good spot. You're go today. I remember that and i am in a good spot now. Jim harbaugh arvo was was big on cadence and being under center and he used to say you had to have a little gravel airforce. How yeah yeah i mean they've been consistent assistant all season. They work their butts off or wideouts. Block the butts off. You will be pleasantly surprised by how well these guys play. They work their butts off. Guys father butts tough all day long joe. Hey brian harry anthony heck of a job. It started with a big planet t._y. Really did we needed that chronologically chronic. That's right. My mom says i'm unique. She says i wonder my dog daisy. Agrees doggone. Dogs likes cats cats dogs. This locker ever redoubts the the intensity and try artists per se. I didn't quite my end of the bargain as the sort of orchestrator of the offense out there on the field and do that but first rookie minicamp b._a. For syrian syrian very colorful language balsam brave is a caterpillar that builds a bad wondering when awake because some days are full of things. You'd rather not do like homework. I'd rather not do homework by you. Do it anyway right because that's good good same routine breakfast and get into the stadium and it was sort of cooler. Get to go on autopilot there and not have to think about it's like okay. Take a left and right on capitol title. What do i want my birth star tough hard practice and and sharpen the edge of this football team sorta like a mixed bag of emotions wake up tomorrow morning and feel it was a dream jack doyle jack jack and i've been through a lot together missing a lot on the football field infringe overwhelming as grateful and appreciative to be here that that may sound a little cheesy. I was so excited to get to run on the field and you as i just you just want to spend the last thirty seconds of this segment weeping quietly in the show. We're going to miss him billy. That was hard for you to do. You just eulogized <hes> the six year career andrew laka. You've just look at the whole. Show is heartbroken sad goosebumps. You did get goosebumps but air sad systems career. Are you gonna be okay. You have seuss bumps do way. We're all together on this. All morning got his weekend observations. We'll probably make you forget that next. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost the most nesting doll living most of her life in the dark inside the other nesting dolls cree has plenty of time to think if could sadly she has no brain however when nesting doll his gyco not only saves people money but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years she thinks it's obvious you should switch because because yes switching to geico is a no brainer pity the innermost nesting dollond latin life donlevatar. How about about this one here via text. This isn't some mickey mouse league. This is the national football league boy. There are no doers stugatz. What's this is the national football league boy now that was with his lower lip. Oh no doubt yes. There are no no do overs but just apologize. We're just wrong and we move on boy boy. This is liberta show with his two guys on e._s._p._n. E._s._p._n. radio so we've got a bunch of things to get to. We've got a means <hes> promised limited fake o. j. simpson we have in thirty minutes another sui category best fake best fake from the last year. I guess i mean we'll help us introduce that but first here are stugotz's weekend weekend observations it is time for us to to share his game notes. No one in the media will tell you what happened. Better than my voice to ooh weekend. Observations brought to you by vivid seats from the biggest concerts and games the hottest theatre shows and more vivid it seats has it all download the app and joined the vivid seats rewards loyalty program today then it arrived live that of nowhere honestly caught me off guard but make no mistake about it the late night whole why rainbow warrior's chaser is a great ending to that game. That's ridiculous. You're kidding me on the one yard line that dame's dame's gonna end. Football is back baby so great in his book. Jim harbaugh said it's hard to beat. The cheaters excuses jim. Here's some advice start cheating jim if you can't beat them join them by the way putting the s at the end of shooters only talking about urban meyer had he play elite franks stinks is not good. I mean is hey doing that to college at cable. I did it so i think my wife best summed up the canes gators there's game when she turned to me and said both these teams stick death taxes an undisciplined dan mullen football team for jack doyle. Tom brady has had andrew luck's career three times and is working on a fourth. I hate it. He started and ended up manning's window. He started and ended andrew. Luck would knowing can't believe i'm saying this but for the first time a college football history they went to the broadcast booth and my is spent more time with chris fowler than with kirk herbstreet herbie fellers ars looking good man beautiful miami hurricanes offensive coordinator dan he knows yelling at his players or making mistakes when it's his this job to make sure they don't make mistakes knows. These gots is strong in you. Miami hurricanes offense of line coach whose name i do not know unemployment line collision course the forty niners hired disgraced former dolphins offensive line coach chris. I her as a consultant will be consulting them online play not quarterback by felipe franks. We'll ever win in a national championship with this <hes>. He's not good not coach by dan. Mullen will ever read had a national championship. I'm no math major but that doesn't bode well for the gators nick sabin. Each coaches like dan mullen good for breakfast cades gators. Not your other team is good but it sure was fun. If you're planning a surprise party don't invite vite adam schefter somehow adam schefter new andrew luck was going to retire before andrew luck did i don't even think luck had even considered it before. Shefty tweeted it. If andrew luck does come back. He'll find out from adam schefter andrew luck x._f._l. Collision course p._g._a. Tour confusing your current fans with his new scoring system probably not a good way of bringing in new fads. The path to the super bowl just got easier for the patriots. I hate them deriving schoolteacher taking his students through the pharmacy drive through to get his prescription killing two birds with one stone man had he play or to tell if colts owner jim irsay was embarrassed about the luck news being leaked or if that is just this is normal shade of red really were surprised fans booed andrew lock off the field get over o._j. Simpson's video post after andrew luck announced his retirement killed it the biggest winners in the andrew luck saga adam schefter at josh mcdaniels jay e._z. Want to win everyone over yet. The colts to sign colin kaepernick james harden is working to unleash a one legged three russell westbrook is working unleashing on james harden payton's places getting their rent far colts collision course it would be smart and a great story if the giants traded eli so the colts tom brady josh mcdaniel indianapolis. Indianapolis colts collision course that's happening is andrew luck a hall of famer more of a question than an observation new segment question question from the weekend. The best actor of my lifetime might be bradley whitford bradley whitford shaking your head. No he's an underrated actor underrated and not the best actor of your lifetime. There are many exit ramps between those two things well. There are for me. Okay maybe for you and your nuanced nuance discussions but for me and my friends we see a guy on screen was a bridesmaid stale. I think it's a new show. That's out hands. May i don't know what it's called but whatever this guy's is killing it makes such great and even remember the name of it brad bradley whitford man and his work in west wing fantastic. Dan mullen said the miami florida. The game was exhausting coach. You should've tried watching it when kansas suddenly becomes a football powerhouse. Is anyone going to ask how or what if they could stay healthy team u._s._a. Would maybe sneak in as in eighth seed in the eastern conference. Hell we do it speaking. Get a hell opera dan. Those are the weekend observations you mentioned o._j. Simpson we're gonna get a means limited fake o._j. Simpson in a second but first let's go to the charming yours truly on twitter as he reacts to the andrew luck news the way a lot of fantasy owners who just drafted reacted to the andrew luck <hes> news. I don't wanna call this a murderous rage but <hes> it sounds a bit like a murderous rate. Oh you could've retired hour and a half ago before picture in my benedict i mean what do i do that if they do come out it. Why did you do that to o._j. Simpson andrew lock and so without further ado. I'm mean l. Hasn't you have just cert- let's hear the voice again of o._j. Simpson just so that they have a comparison point and when the voice of o._j. Simpson has gone it will just be silence and then a means impersonation. Let's look what did i do you you could've retired hour and a half ago before picture benedict. I mean what did i do. Due to come out of retirement. Just say hello to the world is me yours. Truly julio sound like obama me yours truly. What would it sound like. What would it sound like in. What would it sound like it was saying it's me yours truly world yours truly. How about obama undoing. It's me your with michelle sasha alvin gentry. I'll tell you right now. It's me really early to stick with the terrible every last one of them terrible okay though donlevatar alan. You got something big in harry forming stugatz. Everything you just said about me is true for all these live at our show show with the stugotz on e._s._p._n. Radio we will get to the funniest thing from the sports weekend by the end of this segment but i it's our annual awards show. We do it every year right before football season. I don't know how you feel about. The fakes didn't feel like this was a great year for fakes. You're telling me i'm wrong and if o._j. Simpson is any indication over there by means passing the next year is going to be a real news be best picture next year good job <unk>. Atlas show is where you vote on these things. I don't know how you're going to vote on the best mistake from the last year because that category is loaded but let's hear it greg cody is our hose. Your emotional seems joked up your home and now the sui nominees for best limited fake amino harrison's fake alvin gentry. That's all folks. Stugatz says is fake mad dog chris russo <music> today. It is a mike and the mad dog program on a thursday in new york. It's wednesday mike. Mike ryan fake death metal hockey guy. There's no you know while booth joe crews working on my wow it has been awhile believe calls a short. I ron macgill's fake wolverine and badger fighting adding a battery against the wolverines. Can you imagine that it would be the best final ever baby. Mike ryan's faked solomon lane from mission impossible impossible. You should've killed me when the chance hank as areas fake l. pacino young al godfather al right and is high calm voice this chilling with rag new but it was up here and now it's like a wounded <laughter> alec baldwin's fake donald trump. I believe we have a caller caller there. Yes i'm here. The president is calling into do the show mister president. How are you sir well. First of all i hear that you have billy bowling on the show even more of a comedy socialist and his brother was unbelievable impossible to write terrible things about me on twitter twitter war mike ryan's fake brad brad pitt in snatch snatch which ones i want the one with brad pitt. Yes periwinkle blue limited. I did on my tomorrow. Hank is areas fake mickey rourke mickey rourke now. It just sounds like a lot older actress sandwiches which was back today used to talk like this. I don't understand why how do you get from this voice. The ultra ultra cool mellow tones of this talking. 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What made you you laugh this weekend but is for the sports weekend is brought to you by wendy's spicy nuggets here for a limited time at participating restaurants wendy's. He's we got you might just go ahead and find an elmo that you think is funny and we'll play it in here and we'll throw it in there as part of the category a late entry <hes> as if we didn't didn't forget it chris <hes> what do you have for the funniest thing from the sports weekend. The browns released a video of baker mayfield throwing passes to stone cold steve austin. You say to yourself self. I don't know if i need in my life. Don't cold steve austin running a poster out but it is glorious. You do need it. Why because he's just he's lumbering. He's big. He you know he's got new knees aren't as great as they used to be telling. You really good billy. What was the funniest thing from the sports weekend the turnover chain and touchdown rings or just insane so ridiculous i love them for those of you know the hurricanes introduce their new turnover chain the thirty of the turnover chain and this year there was a mystery no one had seen it before no leaks nothing and it was just a giant three oh five with about eight hundred million diamonds in it and you on top of it and then to add to that they introduced on offense touchdown rings which take-up obviously your entire hand both hands and if you're not coordinated with teammate went to of your sharing the touchdown rings it could say hurricanes backwards because you know it's split in the middle well and you have to kind of it's a whole thing roy. What was the funniest thing from the sports weekend the player weekend uniforms in baseball were a complete disaster. How so there are all white logo is white. The back was white. The numbers were right except for the pitcher the capital all white you can see the logo save for the black uniforms all black all black the pitchers had to wear black hats and they couldn't wear white sleeves because then the ball would get lost in their uniforms. They were forced then. We're black hats and not be going along with the the rest of their team which was wearing all white everything else mike. What about you. What was the funniest thing from the sports weak- from the miami florida hype michael irvin spoke to a bunch alleged canes fans and we had sound courtesy of mike good no on twitter the allowed more sacks than gator game has had in a censure a decade a censure closer still snatching damn hearts though so close the stepping on their throats and snatching their hearts except they got a bunch of penalties while doing what are you got r._g. Three outlasting andrew lock wow that is a bit of an upset. 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Kirk Minihane Challenges OJ Simpson's Attorney on His Aggressive Response to Kim Goldman

The Kirk Minihane Show

1:27:16 hr | 1 year ago

Kirk Minihane Challenges OJ Simpson's Attorney on His Aggressive Response to Kim Goldman

"David I read the email that Mike yesterday now or should I wait till I don't know anything about this evening. You kidding I'm new. I need to be concerned about their change together today. It was absolutely fine. You did a good job. You laid out exactly what you WANNA. Do what your dreams are your home. Strasse bridges everything for <hes> for Eric boy with a song in my heart well. I guess we're going. Oh Jesus okay so I guess we're GonNa go were because we tape this interview. Yesterday we jump all over the place during the after the interview we talked about a text. I was getting from Erica Nardini during the interview. Is that right yeah yeah so it was I was just basically how is New York so nothing Mike I mean obviously she asked about you frequently. I assume so we're trying to get Mike to be you want to be an official national ploy of Barstool sports correct yes once again for the second time so he laid out. I said the Dave is a neutral observers neutralist. We can have in this room. Yes Mike wants to be an employee here there. I'm sort of ambivalent so whatever happens. He's not really a cruise. I've been the voice I've been the voice against frankly behind the scenes but that's okay keeps showing up every day. I said the Mike because you know he's badgering me constantly well. I mean pain in the ass twice in a month. I was worse when it's passive aggressive and meek. This is the way almost so something happened yesterday. That makes this necessary. That's true joy to announce. It was a matter well. It doesn't matter I mean nothing. Official happened happened. I have just been asked very politely <hes> to leave Entercom. who asked you to do this <hes> H._r.? And the Promotions Department Oh were you surprised was it because of this Sir yes so you were told that yes a conflict of interest oh I they said I have to choose Barstool sports or ENTERCOM. I mean listen to this Barstool People Erica nor do look at this man did he turned down essentially one hundred and fifty dollars a week. Happy you could serve about your finance financially. No no no that's not at all of any other form of income other than right now disability no disability right. Yes the catch boy if I'm not making any money in laws must be all this is. What a catch this guy? I can't imagine why they don't want to meet me blind and unemployed so all right Mike semi sad like text yesterday just like hey. I'm happy to read it. Go ahead. Let me see here please. If like our show just become like us all looking for most people blind men scrolling we will get to this interview in the second. 'cause is crazy. <hes> t enter comments asked me to leave sad phase emoji lying. I'm happy to produce screen and good news for me and I said really yup there on the trip was overall. I said this. What do you think of this? Go on. I said you should actually put together. Proposal everything when you do and we'll do that will make it easier in some to at I g I think having on paper we'll look better. I think that's a great idea and I said I sent them to you and he's good at that certainly won't market. He says it to me anyway. I thought he lays out pretty well. Let's do it. Let's go in an email here. Let me see here. It's just it's really just i Mike Missing Meghan if I read this email surprising or no no. I don't think so well whatever you bring to the table. I said second voice on the show. Well well <hes> okay sort. I didn't say I went out of my way to not say co host. I said Social Media Director <hes> giving us all the fans that's fine. That's fine. <hes> I said host the show recap a research and look for show ideas <hes> whatever else I said I don't boy remember you're hired. Well my selling you a question aren't you. Why no I got got you yeah? I want you to have that job I do. Hey thanks what do you want me to do. I do sweet car responsibilities second voice in the show Social Media Director Ugo Research. which is you want it? I Know Eric Calls and I'm sure just like anything else and you think if maybe not really there's nothing nothing comes to mind responsibilities. I'm willing to take on you told me to include that okay okay hosting my own separate podcast boy interested would do if anyone arsenals dying for that they are the H._p.. Having Fiftieth Conversation about how you know the world doesn't work that way providing original social media content for both the show and Barstool yeah create show merchandise ideas filter communication between producers business social media people and Kirkman you want that. What would that role be though Dave show whoa wait a minute what just happened if it is? I don't know wasn't that though no. I don't know there's been a lot of ideas that people can here this year. No no I don't think so. I don't think we won't survive with nobody. TWEET US go ahead. There's been ideas that Steve or Dave pitch that you obviously wouldn't like so I know that I think I have a better grasp of what you would like and not like so they can l. mean. I'll let let's stop jerking each other off here. What salary talking here? What do you want to take that on there? I don't know I don't know what's reasonable. Really I don't know like with a great negotiators one hundred thousand dollars yes under okay. You're not gonna get okay so good. Luck you drive a hard bargain. I think no I think you made a very good case and the people parcel helper listings. I find like it's more effectively with this way and get a reaction than go behind. The scenes. celery celebrate on Mike is Trending on twitter. Yesterday is the cat's trail which I don't fucking care alone though I love the top gun trailer was awesome. Okay that seems I you know I've get your. I mean you know I I get your back on that so you said that seem reasonable Dave. I think that's a fair request by Mike Okay good critical part of the show no question I agree i. I actually do agree with that. I have made that known the people. I don't know if you've made that known to people I certainly have people you absolutely buried him on that Ama. What are you fucking Willie Colom? I supposed to say I mean literally put in you. Put out other names that you want to sit there and it I do that. I didn't I mean there are others that like have stuck with you Jim Jim Murray no the question was Dave's if I could have anybody at the other station on the show with all. I said Jim Murray. Maybe oh well we couldn't we can see the question okay. Sorry producer brought a guy like Mike with all over that he would have said to you. Repeat the question before you answer it. They didn't care. I just want to get through. It gives a shit. She's that's awesome. Fantastic Dave says something at the end of this podcast. It's fucking dumb even for him. I just want people right in the middle of the PODCAST. I guess how much this is going to work so we're going to interview well. We're we're GONNA do Roman preview at the new the interview and then wrap up yes all right. It's very confusing. It's a big day here it is. I think it's a big day. I'm still ambivalence but I got. I got personal tax yesterday so he tweeted. I figured that's what it was about. Subtle is always always think it's by you. How about the poll by the way I saw who put the poll up? Who Do you want us to produce misquotes? I think I didn't see this poll. Oh okay those account now. What bill you saw the poll who who had in reaction to the producer of the show of pretty competitive yeah about more or less split fifty five fifty five forty five a decisive win? That's a win for Dave. That's what I was going to say. It's just another day. I'm just moving day. I'm going to get a big interview coming up on sometimes I'm going to read you a text from a nephew of mine interesting. I always starts a perfectly. I know I shouldn't use this number and you know I wouldn't contact you. If it wasn't important nephew. Yes look and say what kind of an asshole of I become. I appreciate that I actually have no idea why that was sent that way because we I interned at the show last summer. He's a great guy. I don't know maybe maybe being a Dick on purpose. Okay next sentence. Please fire Steve and keep pave the intro product for trash. The audio is better now. He's not funny. It's a sin if you keep him and get rid of Dan. He's very very literal nephew. Yes you think it'd be very lives every day good for him now. He's in Virginia another listener. has this ruined Steve's honeymoon. Do you think I I don't know where the speculation who when you say Steve I forget we is sometimes people say knockout Stephen God for a month. How long have you been gone for two weeks two weeks? He's been in there was the fourth of July before that he's back. Next week probably ended next week. I'm here next week all right and you're gonNA miss it. I'll deal with when I deal with it all right right now. I'm in the moment okay good. I know I'm here for you to whatever you guys need. Well you can pull this off. It's quite a back tobacco. You have to say Mike now would be one of the podcast America's have guests like this back to back. I know I mean I don't know how good this other guests will be but I will say this. I guess did not disappoint now. Let me just let me on twitter. He was going out of twitter couple Frat boys signing my tweets that I thought it was a beamer and would you be and that's separate myself. The best was how he copied his email and tweeted. It was the exact the email he sent to me. As a pro Roman Roman I get Roman dot com. Get your main dot com five dollars for your first month. 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He is white hot right now as I say something about him because I like him. Crook is like a sports genius who everyone hates. Fuck knock it all right so let's be we so we didn't know backstory. We just jumped in the interview right yeah. Let's do that could we. We've talked about them a little bit. It's Malcolm laverne right my last name correctly okay. He's The attorney for O._J.. Simpson the juice the juice who's the juices I like is his Avatar like as little as twitter. Avatar is Malcolm's running a marathon running a regime is he had these pointing the somebody's giving them like hey. I like I like America is back around him in the juice just just laugh and just having a good time just laughing so first alerted you guys I think to him right. I heard him on Kim Goldman. I've heard I've heard of him before you went going back and forth with people on twitter but I'd never really heard him on like a broadcaster great. I heard I was is there when he was born. Okay we're done done. Sorry you over so so hurt him with Kim Goldman that we've talked about this podcast confronting O._J.. Simpson which is a great podcast. I can't recommend it enough. If you're looking for something different go find it so she wanted to talk to him and her producer Nancy Glass. Her name is called tape the phone conversation with Malcolm and I was fascinated because I've never heard somebody who was frankly this big of an asshole in my life I was in shock represents O._J.. Shitting all over the Goldman family endlessly I it was almost like he was it. Was it was a prank. I knew it wasn't but it was crazy. It was bizarre for someone to take that stance and be that like because there's not O._J.'s uh-huh Jay's going after the Goldmans. There's nothing you know you've got off easy. You know he won. I guess I only give away what he said about the golden's because he's about to say it again here so I mean it's just madness and I want it. I heard that that was like I have to have this guy on. I want to get in the mind kind of somebody who thinks like this. Who says stuff like this? I I knew I knew I was going to hate him. I knew it was going to be. I knew exactly what what was going to happen happen. Exactly in retrospect like I try to be nice at first I was thinking about this morning. Like why don't even I do that like this guy was not. He's not he doesn't listen. He's the kind of guy who is this sort of guy when he calls like colleen and colleen has his phone. You want you to lead this phone right away. He's one of those guys like who thinks that you are going to. He said that even with that didn't have twice. I know that's why I said that's he's. He's also a guy like you were trying to you know be affable and joke around with way we're a couple runners like kind of shoot the shit with him and he's like well. I'm sure you're not as professionals me and he gets right into that. Oh I will say on his twitter is bio says P._R.. First Marathon might faster. It's fine no big deal and I want to get a raise some. We should do a five k. him in all the money so that idea. I'm sure he'd be totally reasonable. Negotiation process. You don't ask for forty million dollars reasonable as Iowa. Yes yes so I I'm always interested in people who I perceive think I don't know are just lunatics takes like it just gives people. I like fighting with people like that. I like the idea that that you know you can have this conversation. I like that like you should be able to do it but he's he's. I I'll be fascinated to hear the feedback for this because I don't even we know where to begin and end. We try and wrap it up after much. You just listened to him. He thinks we sound Schmeltzer. Move earns as we sound like of course he said the same thing to Kim Goldman in that conversation I talked to he said the same thing Nancy Glass. It seems like everybody else is amateur except for Howard. I guess we get to the beginning and I apologize for the skits in this horrible story about O._J.. And like the idea of the O._J.. Simpson was like like vocal. Pop part of Viacom like was on the board like making the case for Howard Stern's. It's free speech is just how does he know that I mean like Howard. Stern trashing was famous famously trash. O._J.'s like this advocate really cares that much. I mean it's just so dumb but anyway so Malcolm. LAVERNE is coming up right here and I I don't you know what we recap after as well. It's I duNNO I. If I describe the interview in the word I would just say madness in San just just a peek into the mind of the guy who by the way remember this is representing O._J.. Simpson and who killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson this represents this person just keep that in mind as you listen to this Malcolm start with some stuff we agree with before we dig in the stuff we disagree with I'm with you on this. I I grew up as a huge Howard stern fan for Howard stern into this this this champion the free speech for decades to be telling somebody they should be deep platforms of twitter to me is insane totally insane well. Let's talk about it rationally I. I don't think most people know I know this <hes> it. It hasn't been made clear. Mr Simpson posted a tweet yesterday after the Howard Stern show and he said something. It's a little cryptic if you don't get it but let me give you more detail. What is the what isn't talked about person good? He talked about person a which you know was Howard Stern. Obviously no person is basically saying person be should be banned from which is Simpson of course it'd be banned from Public Platform Okay and then Mr Simpson went on to say years ago person be was the one supporting person as right to have the public platform. Let me give you some more detail about this okay <hes> O._J.. Simpson was <hes> on the board of directors of a company called Infinity Broadcasting Insanity something I don't know some kind of infinity and <hes> the <hes> and that is the owner of a bunch of radio shows back in the eighties nineties brought characte which turned yeah burn was <hes> their biggest client off any broadcasting Yup. That's right yeah and and I I did some research on it if you if you listen to serve from his prior recordings he kind of sounds like well O._J.. was just kind of like the token on it and the celebrity your token on it and that was it but that's not true <hes> O._J.. Was Heavily involved in that and O._J.. Was a went through with me in detail. That's O._J.. Story if you want to share you can do it but I'll give you a summary. <hes> in detail O._J.. was an active participant when Howard stern was going through all those battles with the F._C._c. and all these <hes> Wacko groups that were try and get them off the air earn money LIEPA O._J.. was an active participant and he went in great detail with me over all the nonsense that was going on and even though Howard Stern at the time <hes> he always told jokes and stuff. I wasn't Howard stern listener back. I would say Malcolm. Excuse me for just taking I will say stern who I listened to all the time during the of course this famous one of his callers called in during the Bronco Chase but he was also very very convinced that O._J.. Murdered Ron in the coal very very who want to get it. I'm just saying well okay. We can talk about that. Continue talking about the free states this year sure yes good good good so O._J.. Was On this board and he was actively involved. I mean he he went through with me. In great detail all the nonsense that was going through at Howard Sir and even though Howard Stern was at the time <hes> you know he made racial jokes. This isn't that far drift whatever I wasn't listener at the time but I mean O._J.. was certainly someone who knew what was going on and he actively supported the fight to keep Howard stern on the ear to fight these F._C._C. Fine. He went through glaring beach with me but that's why O._J.. Finds it very the the epitome of the word irony and I don't know my my version of hypocrisy that Howard Stern would go on his platform is very he's platform. Army has been called for the ban of a private citizen American Citizen O._J.. Made in America in culprits Dan on a platform when O._J.'s nothing wrong amount of that is a little bit of humor of I agree. Yes I agree and that isolated part of that. I agree with you one hundred percent that that's that's nuts I became before we get to the other stuff how much contact you have with Simpson Day in day Alec. What is the relationship like because you seem? I will say this before we get to others. Have you are very protective of your clients. I'm curious curious is that a friendship isn't a free correspondence infrequent. How does it work? You know it's it's nearly daily daily it multiple times a day. I know obviously with the last <hes> since June <hes> <hes> <hes> when all this <hes> publicity publicity tour and all this stuff started up again. It's been multiple times a day every every day. Let's say let's go before that <hes> this year and a half gap were not too much was going on then it would be more like you know every few days as <hes> we could call. He has to come into the office sometimes to deal with <hes> you know some legal various legal things some internal waters whatever it is. He's got to come in office to do paperwork <hes> but it is at this point I would say it is still like sixty seventy percent attorney client relationship and thirty percent. I do consider him a friend. You'd be be mindful. Though I'm a lawyer that very well understand that you have to keep a certain professional relationship where they client. <hes> in this situation is unique week. Obviously people think that I'm very protective Simpson well. The situation is very unique. This is a guy who gets he has these you know these judgments and stuff but the attacks on him come more from Social Media <hes> the regular media and these publicity tours so as a lawyer. I had to create my mind if they got. How do I deal with the situation? That's very bizarre unique. Whatever it is and I it's been and I figured out a way that I think has been highly effective? Any you see how <hes> some of his <hes> haters haters these adversaries <hes> now deal with him it has to be mindful of the fact that <hes> I had a platform before which is not a very big platform but a lot of media people follow me so the media will pick up on a lot of things I would say <hes> in through my twitter and now that Simpson has his platform of I don't know eight hundred seventy seven thousand people <hes> Mister Simpson can deal directly with <hes> any issues. He has if he wants to but as you can see from his twitter page it's been based basically super positive and he just offers his commentaries jerry done exactly what he says. He's going to do on it football with right whereas me to death so fine well what I find so you've said you've you found your way to deal with it in. I gotta say like you know as some from an outsider's point of view and I'm curious to hear yours I listen to you on <hes> Kim Goldman's podcast. I listen to you when you call into the show in Las Vegas. You have taken by any definition an aggressive turn. You've called Kim Goldman <hes> piece of Shit. You've said she's disgusting. You've thrown curled lots of insults at her and I don't really honestly I'm open. I don't think I'm going to it's going to work but I'm open to any reason from your end while you're doing that to somebody whether you like them or not who did whether you think O._J.. Did it or not I think he did. Maybe you don't you didn't defend them in that but her brother did get his head chopped off he was murdered so I wonder why you continue to sort of aggressive tone toward her now number one he was killed. A Murdoch never stabbed but whatever murdering okay. It's a big at least not liable civilly liable for the murder correct but let's go back to your Co.. Go back to your original point about these okay did you did you. Let's let's go. Let's go one by one to be fair to you. you called her a piece of shit in the Daily Mail correct <hes> I I said but yeah that was on twitter. Why why? Why would you do that now because she's a professional victim? I mean that's assist. She's a public figure. This is it. She's a public figure. She intentionally puts herself out there. The public figures she goes on publicity tours in all of its on my client's name and it creates a it creates problems or it potentially creates problems. I won't say it creates actual problems. Sometimes it does eh it creates potential problems so it's not actually what which which problems has it can which problems has it led to if she goes on T._v.. People worked up. She goes to the T._v.. And tells her and tells tells her story and let me finish your name. You're right. No you're right. You're right. You're right right. That's right. That's fair. Go ahead all right so and that's it and so she's only doing it for money for compeer greet pure pure profit pure fame of her own. Yes kind of she doesn't want to admit but she has some six craving for fame her own individual personal fame based on what had nothing to do with her loss or anything like it's your own Personal Malcolm. What are you basing it on though it's based on her conduct over the last <hes> certainly the last fifteen years but we can look at whole last week five years her per public the Public Relations Guy <hes> her conduct with you know you know most people don't know this just doesn't Oh Kim Goldman died feels tells her nothing but she goes around around like Ios or money also nothing he does he does? He does the Goldman family nothing. He owes her. Nothing he was frightening User Dead Seventy Eighty million dad the mom the mom they never served want to deal with and the estate that's illegal and he complies with all the turn of Order Malcolm. Oh God say about if you're not GONNA be off. You can say whatever you want but I mean you calling piece of Shit because she has a public relations person because she wants to be famous which I'm not even sure it's true I mean she runs a nonprofit. She has a podcast. Do you think she's made a lot of fame and fortune. Do you think she'd like to trade that to have her brother alive or no. Do you think that she's happy. This happened because that issue is not not necessarily <hes> of important at this moment in time. The issue is what is she doing now. How is she doing it and how does it affect my client and does she have any real motivation to buy it behind it other than for her own fame and Info and profit and the answer is now does it would you you heard yesterday where Upper Howard Howard Dean Oprah how is how it's always had some type of major major <hes> beef with Oprah because more famous more successful and he took an e took another knock at her yesterday and what it over tell Kim I'm don over ten years ago all right toes token Goldman the same thing? I told her all right so <hes> told her what I I'm sorry the only one who shares this opinion. I don't remember what Oprah told her Malcolm sorry. What was that he told her to open told him to move? I told both of them when they came talk Kim Goldman Fred Goldman when they came on the show that the ability or the need to move on from a situation will and they told her that so well this seems to be a big thing seems to be a big theme in your in The Times that she needs to move on and get over it but I mean you must rusty must understand why she's not doing that. I mean she does want justice for her brother who was murdered and nobody's ever been found guilty for it. I mean you have to understand that no well if I if I subscribed to what Oprah is saying in a genuine way I'm not particularly concerned if Kim Goldman <hes> he moves on in her own particular way or gets over and own particular way my concern is how does her conduct right now and what she's done over the last couple of years since Simpson got out of camp whereas most people know to prison but how did you get how does that affect my client and what can I do to alleviate the situation well how does have been effective in doing it or how you you've been affected by calling her a piece of Shit in discussed how she disgusting her tactics which which way what tactic I don't understand goes on shows. She thinks your client killed her brother so she goes on and talks about it. How by the way most people think that happened? How was that the guy on it? Promotes promotes applied passed without asking questions. I'm telling you he goes on it. Promotes promote your book. He goes on to explain the Prophet. She's a professional victim so when O._J.. Does like tries to do reality show and try to do that. I mean what's what's the difference and when and when you go out of the public figure. I don't know if you know what the law is but when she makes herself a public public figure then in a way that private citizens can't of course you have a right to do that. I'm disputing you're right. I just don't know where she's disgusting in the piece of Shit to me. She seems like somebody who you're right. She has a podcast. She's written books. People are curious about it. Why does that mean that everybody who promote something as a piece of in your definition is disgusting the piece of Shit because they're promoting something all right? I mean you know we I guess we're just going to be in a circle here. Where we're going to be argumentative not want me to I guess age but no I said what I said about it and then that's it he's a professional victim and and that's it but <hes> okay I mean my my mic with me as well as a coach? I think he wants to ask you a question. Sorry Guy Mike Yeah you said that she's just seeking fame and she's greedy and all this you in your twitter. Bio say that you're the juices lawyer and before you came on were begging us for twitter followers so isn't that kind of what you're doing to the same thing begging you for twitter for you want went on the air. What I said is you need to you? You should put my twitter handle handle on <hes> and yeah right. Why is that on if Barstool has one point six million make sure that that's why you want to sign you why you want us? Why would why do you want us to do that though Malcolm because if I'm GonNa come on and give you content why not right one Goldman's providing content? It's something that affected her life. She's talking about Howard stern meter. I'm sorry she's a she's so what people listen to our podcast who cares if I have a right to comment on it but who cares but it's a little hypocritical. When you call yourself the juices lawyer to promote yourself? You're making money off of a guy that may have allegedly murdered people and you're promoting that and you're asking us to promote your twitter. Isn't that green same sense okay so what's in different comments about me. Yeah you can have commentary about me and I'll sit there and I'll. I don't know if you make you don't even have an art you don't you don't even have an argument with me Kim Goldman. I guess like you think all right. Do you think Kim Goldman's a bad person listen. I don't think she is an altruistic person. I don't think that she works for nonprofits so right. I mean I don't did she. Does she work which he says at the cover but you keep saying non profit Hover for nonprofit that's. That's the biggest scam going out there. You represent moral people legal representation. I mean come on guys. You guys are kind of looking bad right now. You don't understand that some people have the right to Rep. I agree. I don't not disarmament that I don't disagree with that right. So I represent I represent a person who is a well known public figure <hes> he's certainly at one point time with the most notorious person and I've got to deal with strategy. I have to come up with strategies to deal with <hes> some of this stuff that comes up against that. I guess my I guess my question Malcolm so you have to do that and you have your angle. Bullets say they talk about this because you guys talking about. I don't care I'll be okay. We'll give me one second secure. 'cause you keep bringing. We'll get back. I okay we'll get to get hold on hold on hold on because he's talking about. He doesn't even have a master's degree. Anyone who does that type of work have a degree okay. They stuck her name on it. I'm sure she'd get some kind of check of it. I wonder if it's so concerned about that nonprofit that she worked with the where she tries to make yourself look like some kind of saint or some kind of good person ask them for their tax returns and their financial see what she gets paid and what you do. It's just living off of Simpson. It's odd to me that you hate her so much. Your Voice drips Richard Hatred for this woman I don't. I don't hate her at all. Let's go colder. Colder called your piece of Shit. Let's go. Let's listen. Let me give you a correlation here. I'll sure give you a correlation. Just these are facts. These listening something about you. Guys wanted to have a debate. Let give you fast or good. I started commenting on the Goldman in twenty seventeen right around the time they went and did their publicity tour. I'm sitting there with my career at stake. Mr Simpson's liberty state trying to get him out of camp and they're on their. They're on T._v.. Doing their publicity towards so you know what we get off and we started doing this thing with the twitter going on twitter and T._v.. I went on TV to <hes> they were on T._v.. So we were there that went on at about twenty seventeen to twenty eight thousand well early twenty eight thousand. Maybe it stop and guess what nothing happened again. You won't see one tweet about me at least I don't I think you will but I'm pretty sure from the beginning of twenty seventeen all the way through June of twenty eighteen. You heard nothing about me. In Kim Goldman Goldman Eighty thing about I went about living my term life. Mr Simpson built his life here. He's dead. He's a great life. Guess when all this started again it started when these people came on T._v.. Again in last month and started with their publicity tour and now it started up again and you know what when they go away again. I'm going to go away with again. It's it's it's not it's not like it's GonNa stop. It's not like I'm going stop protecting my client or working to protect his best interests. That's something you're never gonNa shake me off on. I understand I totally understand understand one hundred percent but are they go away. Go Away. You'll you'll see the golden. Stop talking and guess what Malcolm going to stop talking and I'm going to keep going and doing the things I want in my practice. Do you understand this is a this is a distraction for me. This is not even this is something that <hes> I hope in soon and so I can go on doing the things that I wanted to do with my personal. Life Simpson can go on doing what he wants in his life but it's the Goldman that are driving this the starting and and everyone wants to come to me and act like I'm kind of bad guy for representing Simpson. I'm doing the best that I would say it's unusual tactic unusual tactic unusual tactic for lawyer to call the person who his claim Maimon may or may not have murdered her brother a piece of shit yeah but that's that's fine. It's strong. It's strong language. I'll give it to you. It's strong language but don't regret saying it you got exactly. She got exactly the commentary that she deserved with her new low round dessert dessert for what though but but Malcolm but for what for promoting getting a podcast Ryan to profit off of misery. That's why that podcast is something that she's trying to make money off us so that makes. I don't know why that makes shit though that podcast work. Why does that make her a piece of Sean your show get her on your show and ask her how all all the financing of that podcast works and why she's in there <hes> making money off screen everything? She's making money off it so what how does it affect O._J.. How does that how does that affect your clients? He's doing enough my client's name and his expense in that that makes her a public figure. I understand legally you could comment on it but how does that affect O._J.'s day in day out life what doesn't matter well if you go around and try and get people worked up over my client it could be it could present a problem in what way and no way. I don't wait until this okay. I nip it in the bud through. Walk me through how this with these people walk me through how this could happen O._J.. What's going to happen if she does podcast? How do you go out in their pocket? They're not these are meant you be disseminated to. Everybody just like this conversation is so if everybody gets it they go and get people worked up. Take you create problems all right which I listen. Let your let your audience figure it out. Give me an example. There is a documentary series in a scripted series about the case people know about it. I mean you're you're fucking client. Wrote a book called if I did it yeah and it was bad judgment as part what about other curiosity Malcolm when he wrote that book he then went with Judith Regan interview in promoted that does that make your client a piece of shit. It was bad make your client shits. He went out last year. You guys you guys should've maybe done your homework before you know you criticize it for for them asking you I know I know I know you've criticized him. I know you did good. I know you Gary All right so why so why so you think I'm just not only. Can I be advocate. I can be as critic so I'm asking to Kim. Goldman told me I'M GONNA try and be objective. You told me Kim Goldman. Why would Kim going be objective checked? She thinks Oh Jay Cutler fucking brothers off. Why would she be objective? Are you don't even know that you don't even know the facts of the case so you guys are hack. Guys are amateurs. The facts of the case is you're correct every factor the case but I do know that Kim Goldman just call you told me before the show your professionals and you know what you're doing and you're kinda sounded like big hack. I just said I think Kim Goldman leaves it row J. and come up with from. I believe the O._J.. kilter brother do you disagree with that assertion. I'm talking about the facts of the case. I would say the question. quashes say the question again. I'll ask the question again what I what I what I said was all I said was I think him coma believes O._J.. kilter brother and then you talked about how we don't know the facts of the case. I didn't lay off a single factor the case I just said I'm very graphic things that absolutely don't the piece of Shit. I think Goldman believes you WANNA go and keep talking about the L._A.. Thing go fine. I'll trying them. You care about the L._A.. Case saying why do you like an amateur Kim. Goldman's biased like no shit wouldn't don't you think should be biased. I'm not I didn't say she was biased. What I expect you to be objective? Per whole focus is on fame and publicity and profit off of misery and it's it's exactly the reason why Oprah told her to move Yvonne Oprah's much more famous and much more successful <hes> and much more popular than Howard Stern will ever be okay all right and she told Kim Goldman and move on ten years ago. She told her that you're GonNa Dispute Oprah. You're going to go up against over the sure I'll love. You have oprah are you. Are you successful as Oprah. Maybe Oprah's figure some things out you know horrible. Things happened to Oprah when she was a kid and you know what did she go in and decide to do <hes> do a become a victim no she came on and she went to she wanted to be one of the most successful people in the world and I've had I've been a victim of something and guess what you know I I've gone on to be successful and guess what neither me nor Oprah my little teeny weeny debt and Oprah's mega-success none of it would have happened if we've gone on and can OK p victim. They also say Malcolm okay. That's great and I'm sorry you went through whatever you went through so this happened to Kim twenty five years ago. She is now has a child. She has a career so I don't think she spends every you make it sound like she just like in the circle of self pity she's also carved a lifer self self at the same time so you say well. Do you know that she has about it if if she's done that in her even all of this media stuff which show that but none of it does it all just talked about <hes> O._J.'s as the boogeyman give me money as the Boogeyman Watch my podcast O._J.'s the Boogeyman <hes> I can get on Howard Stern's show. I heard you say she can say whatever she wants US always about O._J.. Thing I've heard you bring up a Kim Goldens mother a couple of times in a relationship there. Why do you think that's relevant to anything doing right now? Wonder I bring up Goldman's mother on the podcast they did with you when you were talking to the producer you just you did earlier as well. WE'RE NOT GONNA WE'RE NOT GONNA talk about that because they had no <hes> permission to even release you mentioned Asian allies will you mentioned in the beginning of interview as well when you talk to Kim Goldman then or how she owes money to the father and the mother owns part of the judgement but it just shows you that I don't think he was being entirely honest on the Howard Stern show about that relationship that you talked about with her mother the no relationship with their mother <hes> <hes> you know that's it. That's that would be if I wanted to talk about it. It'd be to talk about that. They love the the Goldmans and when I talk about Coleman's mainly Kim Goldman the father a little bit but mainly it's Kim Goldman they want to monopolize the victim the professional victims card. They don't want anyone else in on his action. That's it they monopolize it and then monetize it. That's it that's my viewpoint from everything. I've seen about them over the last probably fifteen years. I Bet I'd be curious. I know this is monetize misery. I know it's a lot to ask for. Can you give me an example or PUFUS TO Y. Y You think they've monopolize this. <hes> you know I can give you a couple of little things I mean they do. Have this P._R.. Guy That makes sure that they get all the <hes> make sure that they come when you know things happen that they come on on and <hes> make statements but the biggest thing the one thing that I can think of particularly when I heard their statements when I say her Fred Goldman Kim Goldman come on when the Trayvon Martin thing was going down and you know there was a lot of the country was all tents and this was going on and people wanted <hes> they want one group wanted to go one way or the other group wanted to go the other way and they had to Goldman's on T._v.. Some of these they went and did some national news and it was one time where they were brought on to talk about someone else's <hes> Greece and someone else's grieving and they both of them. Go look at them. These are all on Youtube. They didn't really have anything to say at all about <hes> true caring and true compassion for the Trayvon or family if they sounded it's not it it you know why it's because they didn't want God forbid if Trayvon's parents got in on this professional victims acts or something like that. They're more interested in more comfortable in their zone talking about O._J.. Always about O. J. in promoting their books promoting whatever they have so they they wouldn't they wouldn't when you ask them something outside of O._J.. They're the these clam up. They don't WanNa do anything so that's IT and and I I've said it before. I'M GONNA say it a million times. He is not a professional in media okay who O._J.. Doesn't that she never developed a talent for it and she does. She doesn't do it. She's a big bore who cares though why is that relevant to anything like if I wanted to be a media issue here. Why is that gives us shade? Let's say let's say Malcolm Malcolm. Let's say let's say let's say agree with you is the most boring person on earth like great. Isn't that is GONNA even come out on radio because you got to keep talking. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA you're gonNA look like a lunatic. GotTa let me speak and it's not true even talked enough good good all right so so I don't know the last part. I'm just telling you that's it she. She never develop their skills. I've seen her of seen her. Go over the years complete research. I did all my own work and she's never she. She's got a million projects based on Simpson Simpson. He's gotten a million project to do. In every one of them failed everyone of them last lock stopping step including this podcast which is failing or podcast podcasts doing really well. It's doing very well. How how do you know what's on the top you that on the top of all the I tunes tunes charts? I see it all the time it may why do you why do you think why do you think Nancy glass was on the phone. Call with me desperate to try and get me on her show in an illegal way on authorize reduce the tape recording. I yeah that's up. That's the that's your legal because they were desperate to get download number seven downloads rather than listen to something that people for twenty five years. There's nothing new coming out of that podcast right. I guess the only thing I would say again. I'll just leave it this because I think we're going in circles. It's it's just I think you know I you must understand intellectual and you look at it that a guy calling a victim whether you think she's professional or not whatever horrible disgusting in a piece of Shit is you can understand why people look at that and say. Why is this guy doing that? I mean you must understand that right right. Well listen. I made my choices like everyone in life. Okay and you live with the consequences so I said what I said and I ain't taking it back and I can justify. I'm GONNA give you a chance right now to say that Kim Goldman is not a piece of shit like we say that come on please come on what what I tell you we spent the better part of. I don't know twenty minutes or so <hes> talking about how I'm not taking anything back okay at about so you standby every or the Goldmans in general you killed Ron and Nicole gives me do you think O._J.. Orenthal James Simpson murdered Goldman the Culbertson being you can keep going about it. Just ask you a question. I'm asking you a question guys where I thought you guys. Were professionals saying this. You said hey you said hey unlike you mount them. You criticize can golden for not being fresh but we're professionals right here you are you've just been all dealt with Dr to hacks for thirty minutes. I'm with you. What would you like? I don't give anyone. Would you like me to ask you. What would you like me to ask you? WHAT DO I? Why would you ask why? Why would you who what what's your? I Q level when you would ask for for O._J.. Simpson so so so you think so you think so you think we all think you think O.. J. J. killed them. All you go. Jake killed them. Both you think O J I know down deep because you're not dumb you think O._J.'s a fucking thing in Vegas was so stupid. It's unbelievable achievable. He wrote that book if I did it which is you admit is dumb. The guy's a fucking dummy and you take his money. It's blood money. You can rip Kim Goldman as a dummy. I said it was. He's got a million dollars to take that I mean I don't care how much money grab it was but he's not but he's not but he's a piece of shit though right so guys keep doing that you did it. You know you did it with him and get it with Nancy Glass. We know everybody's dumb but you but yet you know your say but would you say if you look if you if you do the piece of shit chart wouldn't. When you say you're a bigger piece of Shit Than Kim Goldman you can answer that at least right now because I'm I do think you're gigantic piece of shit? I'm being an ambulance chasing. Hey Sherri very professional. No other budget to do that is okay. I mean that's you're. You're making a living. I respect criticism go. I'm a I'm a piece of last question last question last question. Who Do you think O._J.? Murdered I ron and Nicole you guys are the biggest amateurs the showroom that's true go ahead. No that's fine. We'll let you go and they get a deer run. We will you know this is this is this is really upset me so much that I think I'm GonNa go to Christian Lubaton Air Maze and John Are Shit and don't worry the put your twitter handle. We'll get you have two thousand two thousand twitter followers. We'll make sure to make sure to bump up your twitter account on this big on this Malcolm Malcolm Lavar publicity or that you're going on. What's next in the Publicity Tour Malcolm? What's the next stop? I don't do publicity. No no don't worry I'll put your hand okay. I don't have ten fifteen emails from you guys. You guys are absolutely calling me on for this. Guy's such amateurs have producer. They actually do this. That's actually producer yeah. You're right about that. There's no one can point this tape listen. If you guys are looking to increase your careers this tate someone who is in your profession where you can actually get a promotion where ignorance go wow look at the talent. These guys have hope so well they handle O._J.. Simpson these guys are real professional. These guys are really did an amazing amazing job. There's a little tip for you Malcolm. I'll give you and I'll give you a tip as well. If you have any memorabilia BOJ's is make sure you give it back to them if gives boys his goons and trying to fucking kill you so you know you better be careful as well right anything. Come on anything else. Come on you're saying I'm just saying you know. Do you think do you know Jay slap the coal around like fifty you ever talked about that. Is he stopped up eating women or no get it all out. I'm just asking I'm just asking a question. That's not so you'll answer anything. That's your thing next but don't answer anything right because he's your client. What do you mean wh why why would I should probably you know when you're done with this? When you Johnson this podcast to another lawyer and then like a professional one and maybe they'll do a better job and show you how to do it professionally just an amateur Malcolm just an amateur? Do you know about being a lawyer well. What do you know about being a broadcaster Iraq last year in thirty seconds ten times better than you have thirty seconds ten times better times better than you if I did today? We're not here's what I think okay. This is GonNa be a big moment from I agree with you have a producer I agree with you on that big moment for you. If we newsouth about either didn't think about a story or a focus you're gonna get it and think about you're getting I'm telling you hit the magic twenty six hundred twitter five. I'm ready learn. Hey guys. This is the difference you guys didn't think anything else came on. They played US thought about getting play this like a chess like another now all right okay when you actually want to be successful you better think about a plan. You better work hard all right. I'm on I'm on why you guys you are in your life and I'm GonNa go to Chris Lubaton all right. You know all right Malcolm. Go enjoy your shopping spree and have a great run to the okay and give the juice our love because he's a great guy not wonderful Guy Malcolm. Thank you enjoy you as well. Thank you okay. We can wrap. We'll wrap it up here for a couple minutes. I think while we're here might as well right yeah. That was fun. I mean I I I. It's the same conversation I've heard him have five different so on that O._J.. PODCAST which is successful. There's really good. He did the same thing with Nancy glass by the way she's I'm not east correct. I'm not really I've done a lot of radio for a long time time. I did not go to school for Broadcasting Nancy Glass. You could tell did so like she's whether you like her or not. She's a professional broadcaster. I'm not so we want. I don't know what he like. What questions tactic uses? I know that but like what questions we like us to ask him like when we were talking about with really Cologne. It's like no one knows that's a thing they cling onto right nothing he wanted he wanted us to ask. How cool is it hanging with juice? That's what he would like us to ask. I guess but it is amazing like it's. I don't know it's you know is the is the successful tactic the call Kim good to to to shit all over her. I don't understand it bizarre man and he's very reliable weird. He's very in how bore hates her obviously because I'm sure O._J.. Talks about that she hates her all the time and hates it goes in there bullshits with him. He's a jock sniffer but like it's weird how much Sh- Haiti as for her and he's always in the twitter following the before the podcast started which is fine. I don't know if Barstool will do it or not. I mean that's they do great control right. I mean if they want to tweet something out with his handle on it. Awesome that's fine but he's very into it. It's the first thing you mentioned which is fine but you you can't do that and then jump over Kim Goldman as you pointed out in your fierce out loud angers pigeonhole tenor Tony you son of a gun fronting by Mike where we said to him like Kim Goldman like which is it like. You can't ninety-one promotion all the time no problem but then you she's a professional victim and again. I guess my question is let's just take him. As a podcast. Every day does interviews. Let's even say that he's right and she's a professional victim album. She is who gives us as a fucking affect O._J.'s days in Las Vegas and maybe maybe maybe she does benefit off of it but maybe it also helps her deal with the death of her brother and maybe it doesn't so either way. It's in like the whole thing was the the <hes> any takeaways from you. Mike can dave that well. That was the thing that's why I felt. The need to chime in was that it wasn't just that he said. Can you tweet me from the barstool account it was that that's the one one point six million followers right right right right in big on that right but he did smash out of the park. You don't have a producer. He's right about that brought you and lawyers versus that was actually the most diligent I think I've ever been he mentioned that fifteen emails emails he loves he loves the loves that hauling out for having we ask you a question. She loves that like Yeah Okay Up. You Bet anything else like an answer like you know I know he's not gonNa tell me like he knows O._J.. Killed Goldman everybody with a fucking brain those that so that happened but like you know you defend this republic every every joke Toronto by the O._J.. He's a fucking disgusting human being and he calls Kim Goldman disgusting. He's buddies with O._J.. Simpson earlier in the interview. I think he said something like if you WanNa keep asking me about the L. A.. I know the fact right so then you ask him straight up did he did. He kill these people music. Okay so you came prepared like a where. Where's the answer I love me and I love the you know like I just want? I just want you know Kim to be objective or whatever my greg have like. He wanted to not have a point of view or whether you like now he may have killed my. Let's be fair. You might have chopped his head off by the way that's what he was talking when he said you don't know the facts he didn't chop their heads nearly. Yes basically got you you basically he basically decapitated like and you know. I know you know. There are people who whatever I don't WanNa get the O._J.. Debate whether or not I just find it interesting that this lawyer is like just dumping all over this woman who you know. I don't know if she has a she has a podcast. That's pretty interesting and by the way if he listened to the podcast is actually not a lot of Shitting O._J.. Simpson out really it's more her experience and she talks to jurors the other people involved she talks to the media she talk to the lawyer. She talks to everybody in shouldn't probably like to talk. Jay Not will never go out with her and I don't know I mean Nancy Glass said it's not dissimilar to my situation. I guess occurred to tone the beginning Nancy glass dome. We're recording this yeah of course with him. You'll be pissed all oh. You're a lawyer. Oh you know I'm not at all. I can only imagine what this guy's life is. I mean listen. I understand the shops at top places. He loves <hes>. What was it Louis Vitton? I am envious of that. Situation wouldn't know anything about your sounds such an asshole. Oh God you mentioned like for fun on for half hour on again because he just nuts like being his life right and then it's like he's like Oh you know the law now but it's like he's talking to one of the best podcast is there is about a podcast but he's saying like he's commenting on it then you come in on the wall and he's like Oh you're a lawyer. He did give the show the best idea of all time what's that Kirk Osa Broadcasting School the question I would enjoy it. I love that he's like you know thirty seconds. I'll be ten times better. Like how old are you. What does that mean? What does that mean thirty seconds? I get great. Yes yeah no yeah you're. You're better than me now though Jay kill these people are what like you win. It's just you know you can't. I got a little bit but you can't even really it's so absurd but then you think of like Kim Goldman Fred Goldman they hear this idiot and they must be like holy shit it but maybe they just like he's just an asshole who knows i. They've got anger directed at that was worth taping though for sure Oh yeah that was entertaining especially if you've never heard that guy he he's. He's a different audience usually how he is different. Audience Art Is Different Than Confronting O._J.. Audience I'm guessing yes unsuccessful is that podcast is seven world. She was just on stern promoting it. I hope you know hopefully she'll hear this and we'll get her on. I don't know yeah I mean though she's many many legal minds think she's a bore but I'd be curious to <hes> you know that's the thing he's like. She's boring so what don't listen to the podcast go. She's boring doesn't really help you. You know like what happens in O._J.'s life that you know so now. Some people go Jameis done it. It was an okay interview. What's that he said it was an okay? He did okay w we gotta work on your craft not a big deal. W said casual juice hangs yeah. We have Mike Portnoy. Ben Johnson in this guy is our legal team. This is the improve and be better in life. Oh yeah he's one that you could tell. He's one of those wishing the best. That's nice his run out and he's going to do is thing you imagine O._J.. Office now is going to respond to that apologize. Sorry you're right. You're right yeah. I should have done a better job. We got to be better life. I'm sure picture the O._J.. Conversation with this guy must just be like fucking nightmare when I was running for the Buffalo Bills <music> so he's a key east yapping nothing and cheese. It's gotta be the weirdest tries to bring up football. You know what I mean like. Mine doesn't like it very credible. He's been fun these killing Kim in Fred Goldman for by way never fred Goldman anywhere and by the way before this podcast most Kim Goldman yeah right big publicity tour and I remember seeing them when the series came out of the documentary on getting the nonprofit stuff that's very important but he has a client who wrote a book called if I did it and went like the interviews for it is unbelievable. If Kim's a piece of shit in his mind doesn't know what you have to be piece of the very minimum. I felt bad that I even brive brought something if they got him on a tangent so I didn't want to get. I don't even remember what it was but I said something that got him onto a long boring tangent well he easy Yapper Jesus Christ but I wanted to ask like what he thought of that interview because that's you've seen. I assume that if I did it in Truth Regan Yeah Oh my gosh unbelievable mind. He's literally talking about the murder album and he wrote a book I but I don't think he would just see wasn't as lawyer at the time right right. That's what he would say is. I didn't represent. I criticize a million dollars for it those he said which yet but that's not gold digging in and it's Kim Goldman's money it's Fred Goldman's money yeah like you said the Goldman family's like no no not Kim Goldman's father and the mother they never talked to and like well okay. I don't even know how does that matter yeah. How do you know these other guys like everybody else when you ask for examples improve there's none it's always fuck you like your Bronco? It's like well you know okay. I don't know I enjoyed it. I listened to a couple of weeks ago. We get this guy on. The beauty of this world is now you can get people I've got on. You know you get to work hard at it. You folks that'd be a good producer did a good job good job how to deal with lawyers fame chasing lawyer on the podcast good job any final anything from you mike on this one or no no. Did you stepped into much. I was nervous doing service. Do you dave or no no no. I didn't even have as my condo. I can tell you got very loud and take it easy very passionate yet one part that was awkward. Where was he going? I saw you stop them. Yeah we was answering and I was like shut up. Just let them know he was yes. I thought your questions were fair. Oh that's what it was. I brought up fuck. There's something when you said that when you told me to let him go I said it again and he heard it and that's when he went on like a long tangent off Mike. I was like sorry for bringing that. Thank you L. A. thing right or maybe that's Oh I said O._J.. May Have killed two not that worried about it. Okay don't worry about it. Let's not let's not. It's really okay. This is my my thing is now that I I'm good for. Most of the punk is and then at the end nice talking to you. I don't know into cut it out in the figured on Uber. Nobody nobody really shares where it went wrong. This guy was going to be crazy. Answer no matter what you asked really beating yourself up po show called reflecting the blind so I call with Nardini texted me. She said she wants to. When are we running this tomorrow right yeah well we? We told them that I feel like we should tell you show with it. No no because we're now I want to. I want to try him today to aw poor she still crying fame. Jeez God unbelievable how disgusting that Guy Really Think we talk about the other day. It's the worst think about that like accepting half because even if he's right what is the benefit something happened to me so oprah got molested by her uncle. I want to say is that right something like that. I don't WanNa say father because I think it's uncle no family member by the way she's talked about it a. Plot right which is great. That's actually really think that her doing that. She was really the first public figure to do that really and that was important and got a lot of people talking about. I don't think Oprah Winfrey. I'm GonNa Guess if we got Oprah Winfrey on datebook Oprah which right that domino if we got around there and said hey did you tell the Goldman family to get over. I'm GonNa Guess we find that sound with the Goldmans wrong with her. I'm GONNA guess that was not what she says during said the same thing but my guess is it was more of a helpful thing like don't you think it's time to move on even move on. I'm sure she said listen. You know it'd be healthier or did you ever think you know. Could I ever move on. There's no way she's fucking sat down with a you know fucking get over. I was curious about that. I mean I have he may not be telling the truth. Maybe well you know Oprah's talked about her for her. Entire career is written is written in really. I think open dialogue. I don't know what happened the Malcolm I have no idea his his own incident and his life it could be awful may be nothing sure but he got over people also handled things differently. Oh yeah he seems over. Everything is no no no so we're going to do all right so we'll do tomorrow is really the solid fun so basically do the short open the in the first Roman then do this. Yes that makes sense. My works for me okay. Thank you you you mentioned. You have a cold Nardini yes I do. She texted me and said she wanted to talk about something. I am sure it's gotta be me has to be well. We can save that for tomorrow morning. What what the call is what you go over your right Dave? You're right about that because it's not hasn't listen happened yet. How would we not save what let's talk about later in the show? What do you think that phone call? Can you believe that Oh my God well. You have to pay them fifty thousand dollars a year here. I'll tell you what would you hire the producers man. These guys are the smartest guys I never would've thought of taken that tact. I would've thought the opposite way. Let's recklessly speculate shit up and it never talk about the phone call now. Now I think about that. We know what it's about and now let's find out what actually boy all right well there. You go you go right from that to Roman fine. GET ROMAN DOT com. was that your way of kind of felt like Hey we're still here folks laughing casual laughter just sort of thinking about Malcolm Malcolm with get Roman. I could see that he doesn't need it. Obviously he's greatest. I'm depressed and destitute. Now I could use that's true. That's a good point. Get Rookie for the five bucks. Though for the first month we can make that my friends would help me out of date five bucks right now. Forget Roman dot com slash kirk get Roman dot com slash kirk the best way for a great sexual experience great feedback unbelievable got some more again yesterday <hes> get Roman dot com slash Kirk. The first month is just five Bucks Suspend Your House Nice and easy swipe rip. You have a great time. Nobody gets hurt wonderful. Everyone's on board of the best sexual experience you've ever had in your life for five dollars for a month. What's that what's the day like five dollars a month one hundred and fifty dollars five dollars a day for a month a hundred and five dollars a day saying five dollars a month? How much is that every day? Let's say twenty fucking more. That sounds say hey. It's only gonNA cost you one the one hundred fifty dollars a month fucking you're hired. That's five Matt All on my list of responsibilities five dollars a month into thirty. Let's call it. We'll call it. <hes> yeah fifteen cents a doubt that Mike sound good fifteen cents a day for the best price paid for that back there you go yes. She did just like you said you read. Those words get Roman dot com slash kirk detriment dot com slash kirk get Roman dot com slash kirk five dollars for your first month right away okay so we did the feedback back to that so anything else we wanted to get to the time. We're supposed to talk about America's phone call to you. I didn't at the top so there was nothing oh I know but we preview that we're going to talk about it and then we actually did show repeat that again. I'll do it it. Don't delete it David Hammer greedy blind at the end of that segment oil what was it. He's like he's like a I forget what it what it should listen to the point. That was my point you say. What did you say at the end? I don't remember fi great podcasting right here. He's like oh no us. We should preview. Are you at now so dumb. The brilliant production are laughing again something. We were just laughing about real time good excellent. I've really got on top of that. I didn't realize corrobos double down. You told me Oh yes. He's not giving up. No there's no he. He listened to US talking about it and say I I don't see what silly here do. We have that sounds so he was on with those guys again yesterday. I did not hear the segment but he continues to say that he taught me podcasting. Although it's important to note even before enough about me I would occasionally do podcasts on W.. Why I don't think so okay? You may be right now. I've I'm here. You're making ways rocket. How am I making waves in the Kirkman show? Did you see <hes> he that I <hes> I haven't listened to it but <hes> we could play for you so so this is them kirk place on the bus from my day up at Barstool and Mike Blind Mike noted noted your reaction. Nothing like overwhelming now. What are you laughing at my? What do we what someone does this us? We're listening to them. What the fuck are we doing that? Jerry Crow had some thoughts on how you became Kirkman Eoghan that I thought we we sort of central Jared Kravis. That's the Internet cuts he'll be back and say the first time I ever interviewed him. He's like asked me whatever you want and now I think when he came on section ten those replaying replaying him or did context then. We don't know what the fuck are. We doing fuck. Are we doing what the fuck are we doing. CORROBOS CORROBOS said Jesus Christ Dave what the Fuck I can't preview the auto muddle among the mother was at my call model is assumed we would have started right after ninety different things we're listening to us and they hit us in preview the audio I just had the play it why because I can't listen listen to yesterday I did listen to it yesterday. Just cut up to where he talked yesterday. Irish Operation Right fucking Stop Stop Stop Stop So corrobos Jesus Christ corrobos yesterday just said that you know whatever I learned. I learned podcasting from him right. We then made fun of him about it. And then he responded to it again in kind yesterday. Can I have the sound from yesterday with Corrobos. I can't preview okay forget it. I don't WANNA I don't WanNa do and I don't like doing this second because annoying delete it. It's a podcast. He did not like the notion that you said it was the first time ever for him. That's just a fact I paused when that happened is well because I would imagine Kirkman had already he had some experience with broadcasting and talking and knowing they played it up obviously because that's what they do they like to needle people like <hes> and then we'd give credit to Jared Kravis for launching his career but something a light bulb went off in his head when he came on the podcast is the first podcast for just his podcast came out like three weeks after that and he didn't know what a podcast was before you came on but did he say something to. You like wow that was like you know. I've seen this whole new. He was asking questions like wait. You can say whatever you want to sing like yeah. He's like all right. Let's have fun with it and this and that and then stop. I believe how dumb he is honestly Internet. This is on so you go on there you. We've all done. I mean you go on the podcast like Oh. It's sort of what you do when you get in there and if you're a regular radio guy back then like oh I can do whatever I want like. You don't really not know that you're joking around commerce. Am I doing this. Anybody at Barcelona San with the joke is a place of humor. It's a comedy. I understand correct. A light bulb went off in my fuck with he know a light bulb at through first of all. I did it in the summer with him. I was happy to do it. I enjoyed it and then I started a podcast next February eight months later part of a contract it's it it doesn't even matter but like you heard of podcasts before I done them before his lightbulb. Oh my God you could say whatever you want Oh. I didn't know that Jesus Fuck. What does he what does he? What does he think? I really believe that or is he just trying to. I don't no no because there's a lot there's jared where he's like. Oh it's a character but then even when you talk to them you get the sense that he's got. He's gotten a little bit of a neat. Oh No. I have heard that from a lot of P._d.. And he's got a nice health which is good. That's great. You should have that's wonderful but I don't know he deserves it. He's had great success. I suppose I don't you know again. I'm not sure why he's had it though and that's wonderful and great but I don't understand. Why can't he just say yeah when my podcast he was a great guest which he told me he said the numbers were great? We had a great time. You didn't introduce me anything. I already knew what it was or he could have just said like I don't know it seemed to me like he didn't really know what it was before and that kind of showed him something it wasn't that like a lightbulb went on wasn't that walked into Blackburn's mothers using either like they had headphones we talked and you could swear wasn't that different Shit on the media but I say fuck you suppose on the radio right could wasn't it. Oh my God this land. This is amazing. I've never seen this in my life. Some say Jerry crops created podcasting Jenner Create Broadcasting Agenda. I think I mean listen to them like the mark of the world. They thanked Corolla at all yeah. It didn't exist before that I mean you know so crises that come in the summer so we'll see I mean. Is that going to be good or not. Going comes in with me with me. I think he'll bring it. Yes yeah but it'll be a lot of like it'll be a lot of that like all. Come on Kirk. Will you need me. You talk about me on your show every day. I provide content that type of shit. That's fine. I don't mind that because we do oddly talk about him a lot. That's true. I'm sure you'll bring him up. You're fascinated fascinated by his is just so empty. Just he's the most educated about you like he knows the most about you in that Bill Yeah Oh for sure for sure for sure I think anybody who knows anything about me in that building him not even porno- no not even Dave Kasese and you're listening to fucking New Yorker. There's a little bit now but that's a little bit Smith cases. Smith knows a little a little bit Casey by the way is very interested in dipping into the Kirkman hand brand. Is that right Oh. He wants a piece of that he me he wants a piece of that like you wouldn't believe really yes. I'm not scaring me by the way what's leading. Let me third stuff. I think that's a good fit. You did tweet curtain Clinton. I did see that you'd have to move to New York. I would not move to New York Komo sticking okay. Don't worry you're GonNa get you twenty five grand. Don't worry we're GONNA make that over two years. We'll spread it will at least will give me bowing before we wrap things up. This is total inside aside stuff. What's going on with your pal in one? The social media directors of the show M._H._p.. Seems to be very quietly. I haven't heard from him yeah. I've noticed that I don't hear from them. As much I sense he's jealous that you've risen people said that I don't know yes. <hes> we got in kind of an argument on the UH not an argument but like you know like a real one no not really like we were fine just about so he was. It was the Kravis stuff yeah he was going back and forth all it. Wasn't this episode yeah. I just told him. I didn't love the way he had like a attacking Karavas so okay so the way jared all not so is so make us part of the minivan world host them in the fan show. It's <hes> hosted by somebody else they do their show <hes> and they had corrobos on. They weren't pleased this performance. I he chromosome my podcast me and damage oh right. I'm sorry I'm sorry that's right. He was on the blind. Mike Pyke fresh fresh talks are we jared on jared was like it seemed like jared was phoning it in yeah timing you like he was just like oh like in Texas. It was all about it and then and he came on it was like why do I have to do this time writing. He never said that reasonable refi. You have to do that Shaw hard thing and honestly you. You're joking but that was my. I was like I get why he wouldn't necessarily want it. It was nice to come on at all right. Whatever okay so that was my then happy whereas place guest wise to between Cosby and Weinstein? I is a big issue for the fact that it's like a podcast dedicated solely to protecting these people on the Predator. It's an odd move sure it's got a small loyal fan base but it's weird and we're at the I mean you're you're live press conference. When spacey got cleared the Other Day celebration was a little strong yeah that was that was a little we streamers and so what so what happens between these between so they go at it on twitter her and I don't know but I was just like you know I? I wouldn't call that a guest because he was doing us a favor but hey m._h._p.. Pointed out that you would say you got to punch up and go after go. After Malcolm Laverne on twitter you're right that is punching up so although he does have one seven to the followers today over whether we promote it seven point six million barrels see Michael also can they went after us and social be it's a little did. I have no problem with them H._p.. Doing crops crops I think doesn't really either. He just gets so they went back and forth and the where I agree with you completely is that corrobos started saying on twitter where I have nothing to do with this Shitty podcast of course first. I phoned it in and gave no effort right have no listeners and that's where I was kind of like all right man like what the fuck is this so and then I guess that's where their issues lie. So that's what our podcast what was your. I don't think he's mad at me about that. No I know I just haven't heard from lately. He used to be more active in the world that feel slipping away. I don't know I mean I remember him. Doing a punk is where he says. He's learned about real fucking. Get over it. That'd be my. I don't know if there's real state the only only allowed for me in the world. That's it through Shit Jesus Christ. You WanNa hear what I'm feeling blue. No I just dance. Put the hat on Dan all right. What did the Mississippi butcher new unemployment? She was excited that I'm out of that. She was yes. What's a CR- leaving? ENTERCOM is the best feeling in the if really want you can ask me. You'RE GONNA ask Jerry didn't say that I have not left you. I've been asked to leave and they gave me 'til Monday mode over. What did you say no? I'm doing some thinking I say no. Thank research to do. Don't you yeah I've got some thinking to do you know what do you mean legally. Maybe I don't know maybe there's some employment issues. I say possibly maybe I would say even a vocal a Labor attorney we might say but he vocal. Maybe not on the air. I'd say you've been vocal outspoken critic of the product of the station though the network maybe as the character blind Mike which by the way this was pretty funny yes. I don't see well so i. I don't know how I saw this but <hes> the the computer screen had a an email up of which the subject align was blind Mike from Joseph Zarbano. I don't know I don't know I don't know actually no. I don't think Oh who you think it was. Maybe someone else we talked about this week. Oh Oh yes that wouldn't surprise all claiming that went surprise me that wouldn't surprise me at all as he calls you blind Mike. It was very very nice very nice them to acknowledge the the brand. She's Bob. I like it. I mean it's possible. I guess right who knows yeah right. Surprise me yeah actually that that that would that's fits that fits. You know that no but I'm pretty sure not said you got field. They never said it. They said it was a conflict of interest and they'd like me too. Kindly get the fuck. Is it worth suing them over your the salary that you make okay but maybe but you're considering but maybe have no update on my legal case none. Oh Yeah we're kind of me too. I don't even know what's going on. I know they filed a motion to dismiss last week but they said in the summer that she takes forever so that's kind of what happens. When you've got Mike Portnoy at McKay's hands don't worry about it? That's true. There was some of that yeah well. I've not male representation. I'm outcome. Laverne is going to go after people on the fucking believe her to tone is dead tonight like porno crew right Dave Brown remo- Dave Brown. That's right for Dave Brown with a group Dave Brown. I think would like he seems it's like a legitimate. Excuse like normal swinging from the rafters so what happened the Benneton. Where's he gone Benenson M._H._p.? That I don't know we'll drop in yeah. I don't know I haven't heard from him at all to me that picture of him last week Shelvin Hut Doug and his face family which I haven't I heard from him or seen him in forever. Maybe he's texting Steve. I always texting his Jerry Jerry Messaging Jerry's Jerry podcast tracy message and forty six times over two days. I think there's anyone else message and Jerry. That's a good question. The first place Jerry's GonNa talk as the William Benson could be who knows all right. I'm trying to someone else I wanted to do with them. Forgetting Shit there always is. I don't know all right post. Mates are no okay again. Let me get the. I don't want to screw. It's CAM right posts. Dot Com slash cam is that whether this yeah give it to yourself scruple financial Promo code part of it Promo Code K._M.. You download the post may tap right now please. You can do it for free you go through. All the local restaurants business businesses tracker delivery in real time no more trips to the store. You even have to know where the store is. If you don't WanNa go you don't have to go post meets will deliver it to you. Anything you want any food whatever it is posted to deliver any he convenience stuff grocery tricia retailers you could possibly want or need you want either four P._M.. Nine A._M.. MIDNIGHT WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA post mate it's going to be done. They're going to send it to you. And how about this for a limited time. Posts is giving our listeners one hundred dollars free delivery credit for your first seven days to start that free delivery download the APP and Use Code K M. That's Code K._M.. For one hundred dollars a free delivery credit for your first seven days and you download the post mates up anything you need anytime you post made it download unload post mates and save with Code K._M.. And get one hundred dollars of free delivery for the first seven days or anything else. I think we can tease guests. I do not here. We will not no no no no not until it happens so this is a real tease tease. Does it doesn't until it happen. I think you're probably right but what does it really. We could promote enough and social listening to the end of this podcast. You're right we did LAVERNE. People are checking out. They listened to Mike talking about these lesson. I wasn't who was there to say a worse lawsuits ever represent yourself yes of course content. You'll have a contract by Monday acute. We're going to get your pay. We're going to get you pay. What what do you want me to say? I don't Cook I want you to do. I feel like you could fight for this more. What else am I supposed to do? I don't know what you're doing to be honest. I don't get to see your actions. We're we're supposed to do like a dry pick until wasn't there an email last week by the C._E._o.. Of the company yes and you have a little leverage because I don't ask for anything but now I'm asking for something right. got a good point Mike. I'm not I'm not saying I'm not saying it's unreasonable at all. I think it should happen. I mean I've given this guy a life of their major attractions over a bar store big Mike guys with K._f._C. Big Cabbie. That'd be three me as well Oh yes so. I just think it's a done deal. I'd say Portnoy was a big Mike Gut to never hired. You hasn't been confirmed that did you never really could but makes an example okay so I did that. Barstool goal thing the other day and one of the questions was from some guy and I get these once in a while not a lot you know it's so hard to make it in the business whether advice you have my answer was the easiest time ever. What's the if the business is going to be on me? I then be boring and you can do. I actually it gets easier. Even now then you can just do weekends or whatever but the guy like Mike he'll. I don't think ten years ago you'd be on the radio. No certainly not here's east end hardest. It's also like if I didn't if I wasn't willing to make fun of myself for being blind we'll sure right but I would never have started a bar stool and then there's some there's some of that but I mean you have to take chances like I've. I didn't take chances I wouldn't you know I think there's a lot of people that aren't willing to do that right now. Sort of my answer like you. Just you have to be yourself. You can't be afraid but if you aren't and you do a podcast or whatever there's so many avenues where you have a chance that's all I don't know and this guy's living look at him yeah but everyone wants talents like he's doing a show right now by himself and his action. Is that show none none me everybody wants. These shows shows to be their idea so it's not necessarily the easiest time because if he just goes and does it and nobody's listening to Piss me off to hold on sorry because that was interesting both definitely it'll be several podcasts could be an eight part series really dig into that the fucking Mike driving in this morning. I didn't get to listen to or watch the the the thing you do which I like. You haven't been slacking dummy thing. Yes I can only do it when the Kid Films Ville Okay Great Okay Mike. Mike says I hear this. I've heard this buddy of mine a couple of weeks ago. Mike Oh boy kirk just walk in luck again like boy more news just have as a phones lap is basically what you said. It's not what I what you said. There was nothing going on in the world. Do you ever think that like I make some of the stuff happen by just being an interesting person. No no but what I'm saying you think the willies won't thing the interview with Laverne whose idea was that Dave booked up but whose idea was that. I understand what I'm not saying. You're lucky reaction. The Jerry certainly Jerry gets any reaction because I'm interesting. Obviously I know my raw or not. Somebody's a couple of weeks ago to somebody said to me. Oh Geez. What was I forget what it was it goes? It's amazing. How things just fall in your lap Weirdo that happens when we stop saying that yeah because I want your credit honestly? When I was at Entercom I was always said boy? This Kirk is real lucky. It's what you said what you said Murchison. What you said Ed my voice? I said content wise. It was funny how it happened because last Friday there was literally nothing to talk about and all of a sudden jerry gets fired. You have the thing with Willie Cologne then Shirley on yeah. There's a lot of stuff that's hilarious. It's really funny funny. Strange Taste Fine God you love me and you're going to spin the hate me because you don't want to get paid. Let's just say that we can't get paid what we do. We're GONNA get in. There's not many options. I know that's why now that makes me feel good back. That was part of our morning conversation at once if he wasn't here who would be there like who who somebody local that you would bring it. I have no throw ride. Probably it'd be a good. He just got you just got signed by ring of honor. Did Oh yes you wait Sunday night. If you listen you're dragging your heels too much Z.. which ring of ring of honor is another wrestling promotion? Yeah Okay it was easy. Travel says fulltime job. I don't even know if that's all we do. That's it's all we do is a thrill ride like fifty years ago. Yeah Ninety things have happened to throw names on the on the Barstool read it yesterday. There was a post about throw red going to bring up on her and there were hundreds of comments on God. Oh Wow okay. Let's have mon- I mean like so what people I was happy to note though I was happy to listen to the <hes> to Mike An H._B._o.. And the thing that it seems like the Barstool world shot I paid no attention to this one. Honestly barstool crowd is one hundred percent minihan them in the hand verse Cologne unanimous. Oh that's guy that never happens for me. I was surprised I missed that part of the podcast yesterday which where we talked about this. How will you who is talking you and Mike? We're talking about this. We did talk about the comments on the Barstool thing you know I wasn't listening to him making fun of him with Nardini like he thinks of the deal so she sounded like she says she has like blind homeless Guy Emojis you send me the worst part is you're on the phone with her walking by not only by the way I know I did. The PERP mentioned me like Erica Yeah no nothing to talk about today anything on urine I totally the Dick I thought it was a little bit of a coincidence so Dave Berry's basically the whites camera podcast guys class week right. You're on the phone with Nardini yesterday and then right after after that phone call you re tweeting comment Lights Camera pod twice. You've never done that before. I don't believe I just started falling suspect well. What what what would what conspiracy theories what was the saying was what was rising star Barstool putting you over with the whole the past three weeks ago and some <hes> their pockets and that Dunkin donuts thing correct yeah so Erica then calls me three weeks later and said sorry tweeting it? She's always thinking play the case. They had to two trailers. I liked I've been realized I I started. Popular brand will really I have no idea if the movie would be good or not I mean I know you're not gonna see it. I see movies so it doesn't add there's movies coming out that once upon a time and start talking movies went hurt your don't don't just keep quiet okay time in Hollywood. The movie to Wooden James Woods James would shut up movie flooded. I know James Woods. You suck all right we interview. I think a friend that James Woods is that Reeve. Yes very very right. Wing political force is my understanding. I don't bill it like that. What's true what's Day? Do you think really going to build it like that. You'll be okay Jeez. I heard you say you're interested this guest as well very much so okay. Why what do you mean why is there other salaries we said okay? I don't know all right so we'll do that in the first one of the first wonderful you literally can go blind if you do it too much well. Maybe I did all right so <hes> that's it for the week busy week. Jesus Christ could God while we stuff going while we follow said to me something about how great the podcast is. I agree one hundred percent. Yes two weeks uh-huh excellent opinions on podcast so it's great podcasts mind all right so <hes> we're back Monday. <hes> guns were doing then <hes> rate subscribed whatever you want <hes> rough and rowdy tonight correct. How do we do this day? What's the information by DOT DOT COM BY DOT com described a barstool gold? You can get it for free right. Gold hard core get it for free. They get it through tears. Yes the hardcore tear in the non hardcore tear harassed okay good hardcore tear rough and rowdy Gimme. Give me the website again by our and our dot com full recap on Monday. It's all over yeah. I'M GONNA get to watch it yeah. I wouldn't get the colony and recap of teas that is I think the day being awesome all right. We'll talk to you later. Oh ooh Hey whoa whoa where we doing. The show from doll of course the richer types lovely very cool. That's actually freeze. I appreciate this. We said it was hot. The guy is it Aaron Random that Guy Dr Yeah Beats Me Yeah Good Guy Friend of mine said we're GonNa get it fixed right away an instrument and and right away the cool air started blowing in there. You've probably here right now. No doubt hear the interview but no we love it here at Thirteenth Studios IOS Dot Com and we talk about all the time you wanna come into a podcast. I that room over there right to my right looks like a good quiet interview podcast room. Yes no for sure good acoustics. He'd been in there yet Mike No. Have you ever been any other place no bathroom note. You've never use the bathroom here here for two hours a day. I don't know what you have to take a leak. It's humid go go at home. He literally shows up sits down doesn't move till the end of the show. Get here like four thirty six thirty. I always think that like you know Mike Today. I was Kinda hoping you wouldn't be here said him like you. Don't have to be here is thank. You know he's still gonNA show up. It's not what else do I have to do now. You Jerry hang out to straight to poitou bombshell Friday entercom layoffs Gerry Callahan Mike yeary. I hear them. Maybe another one coming true. I don't know but there were demands made from your boy which boy reamer Oh what yeah what is that Oh we don't Wanna get into it now. It's a little too judy here this from I mean just you know twitter account is it's easy to get fired. I don't think so I shouldn't think but whatever that's not really relevant to read thirteen. You could be a good guy to sit in that chair. That's true and he and Jerry could do there with the podcast right here at Thirteenth Studios. I listen to that red thirteen.

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Interview With Barbara Hegarty

"Hi My name is Karen. I'm here Dennis. I'm where prior to the team. We're here with Barbara Shiites ESI. Tell us a bit about yourself hi guys. I'm absolutely delighted to be interviewed by you guys. <hes> my name is Barbara Hegarty and. And I worked with quoted Ordure Arlit <hes> I started off as a voter Dojo mentor about five or six years ago and then just became completely hooked on it <hes> and then progressed to taking over the Dojo and then A. Job came up with Cutter Rhode Island and here. I am now working for Rhode Island for those who may not know about quarter Joe. What is it so? KUDO JOE is basically a free a technology coding club for kids between the ages of seven into seventeen so easily happen outside school or possibly in a school but not during school time still second after school or weekend club basically for specifically for kids to be able to use technology. The and learn about technology computers and electronics and all that other stuff what is your rolling quarter doorbell so my role with Kotor Doj Orland is so there's the coated O._J.. Foundation which is the Global Organization <hes> Kurrajong Ireland. Ireland then we support specific dawdles in Ireland so my role within corridor would be to support existing Dodos and help them in any way. I can't so getting them resources to use their Dodo helping. Them with getting mentors any any other practical ways and then also we our main goal is to scale <hes> the coated O._J.. Movement in Ireland so there's a lot of dough Joe's in big urban areas and like Dublin blend has a lot and core 'cause a lot limerick has lot but they're all the seemed to be all like on one side of the city so our main focus is to bring Dodos to places that are under served for whatever reason whether it's because they're in a rural.

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Kim Goldman on Confronting OJ & The Aftermath

The First Degree

1:11:43 hr | 1 year ago

Kim Goldman on Confronting OJ & The Aftermath

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The national cherry turnovers day and national bowtie day for all of you. Fancy pants is out there or peewee herman fans. It's also national race your mouse around the icons icons day. I don't know what that means. That's from ism but you don't want ex a specific thing within that but yes like <hes> like kissing every part of your body except for your penis racing the mouse around the body but you don't want to give bo job kind of thing that's that is your now. He broke down and i i. I'm picking you. Put down thank you. I don't know if you're right. I i don't think i am i'm pretty impressed. I'm here for her for it. Oh god well. That's enough of that. Let's turn out the lights and turn up you are because this could be <music> so first of all this is part two of a two part episode so you should really go back and start with part one last week's episode <hes> so you can get an introduction into kim goldman and what she thinking and what she's been through. She's with us through this episode as well so as far as this episode we're covering the quote unquote aftermath which which is really difficult demarcation line to define because the aftermath for the goldmans and the browns started the day their loved ones or callously murdered. The aftermath for certain people started after the trial ended. I mean the aftermath for various individuals start at different points within the story but there isn't a criminal okay in modern times that has confronted us with so many unsettling truths about not only the justice system but also american culture and humanity itself itself and the trial was arguably the origin of the reality t._v. Wave and even included a kardashian who was simpson's sends buddy and a lawyer on his dream team justice for these murders remains elusive on any day in which o._j. Simpson walks free the loss of two victims. Families will persist for the rest of their lives for everyone else. This was clearly not simply a fleeting nineteen nineties andy's obsession it jolted american culture in ways that resonate to this day and we'll certainly bleed until tomorrow and now here's the verdict that changed the world. Mr cartons here <hes> simpson. Would you please stand jury. The superior court of california county of los angeles in the matter of the people of the state of california versus orenthal james simpson case number. We're be a zero nine. Seven two one one we the jury and involved entitled action find the defendant or job orenthal james simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation relation of penal code section one eighty seven a a felony upon nicole brown simpson a human being as charged in count one of the information superior court of the state of california california county of los angeles in the matter of the people stayed california versus orenthal james simpson we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant orenthal james simpson not guilty not of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section one eighty seven a a felony upon ronald lyle goldman a human being as charged in count two of the information ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Is this your verdict so say you one so say you all after after the verdict you describe how simpson the courtroom kind of does he leaned towards you and smile because those things that we couldn't see they. He leaned over lake. I there was like a. There's a just a vantage point. I mean it's kind of like inbetween people. It was just like a like a smirk. Oh <hes> is just like i wasn't. I don't remember if i was staring. I don't really remember there was a lot going on. I just remember that that moment. I remember catching catching it and <hes> you know i think it sort of just put it all in perspective for me. <hes> about what we were up against and just the it didn't it didn't dawn. I mean till until later in the civil case that you know the killer and all these is yours has never thanked my brother trying to save nicole. You know the mother of his children that he still has such disdain me and my brother was an innocent victim in in all of it right and so if you were truly an innocent person would you have such harbor such resentment for the other unintended victim in this case like and he still harbors a tremendous amount of of anger towards me and my dad and our family and that that smirk kind of summed it all up for me. You know he's going to be free. You know he's gonna be walking around. Does he walk out. I know in the right when the verdict no. We walked out <hes>. I think that the the judge was still giving instructions on it was very chaotic. <hes> i'm in the room. <hes> and we just all got up and walked out and <hes> there was hordes of people in the hallway right when we walked out there was two two doors one from the room and then they go through a little like a little door to door hallway and then out into the main main area and it was just complete silence and the people that were in the hallway just like part of the part of the c- basically and we just walked in and said one thing when it was like uh-huh profound in that moment that it was just complete silence and it was the brown family and us <hes>. We got into the elevator in the service elevator to go upstairs but i just couldn't. I couldn't sit in there in the courtroom any longer when the verdict was read johnny cochran smiled and padded o._j. On the back f lee bailey he wore a smirk robert shapiro he meets sort of a half hearted gesture toward simpson but the others particularly robert kardashian had the color drained from their faces and kardashian in particular looked as if he had seen a ghost as if he was expecting a conviction and he got something else. He got that he was going to have to be with o._j. For a long time and these are obviously the people were talking about his defense team. He had ten attorneys sitting there with him. In as this verdict of not guilty was read and i think his defense team was more shock than anybody except for johnny cochran the movements following the verdict that the goldmans and browns made versus the moves that o._j. In his camp made we're starkly different for example as soon as judge ito closed the proceedings all the television cameras off and johnny cochrane and all the other defense lawyers except except for shapiro joined simpson's family in a fist pumping backslapping explosion of delight and return to simpson's home for party dot night which was young kapoor but kim and her family. We're doing something much different back to after the verdict so you guys you in the browns your family in the brown skin to the elevator. What do you do next in those like hours that follow. We went up to the district attorney's office. <hes> and i remember sitting eating in garcetti's office. <hes> the browns did not stay for more than a couple of minutes. I remember i. I kind on a yelled something out because i their reaction was different than my reaction and i think i was feeling frustrated. <hes> and i i remember i was standing ending at the window. <hes> in google said he's office. Now is just like being the wind. I was just so frustrated and i think i blurted something obscene out and then <hes>. I don't know what happened they weren't. I don't know where they went. <hes> but we stayed in we did a <hes>. There was a press conference and we stayed with the prosecution team and just cried. I mean we just all cried. It was really emotional. <hes> the prosecution the team cry to everybody was crying. It was horrible so chris was crying on march patterson. I mean it was just it was unbearable o._j. On the other hand when he pulled up to the gates of his mansion to restart his new life the party was commencing his mom arrived in a rolls royce limos pulled up behind her and it was all on t._v. While this was happening kim and the prosecutorial team were attending a press conference wants and gil garcetti who was the district attorney had words with chemists. Well i remember gill had a weird reaction. He was kind of stoic one of my favorite quotes by my angelo like i can't remember what someone says but you know how they made. You feel kills. Reaction was weird like i remember not feeling comforted by him if i left his office you know it's all political for them. Yeah are not position. It's a very like a loss. I'm up for reelection chanted empathizing. He just wasn't a very warm person. In general he was just all all business and while all of this was going on there were certainly news is cameras at o._j.'s house to party gas in pantsuits waved champagne glasses to the news and all the cameras. Everybody was hugging al cowlings. Was there there. Donald meyer of n._b._c. was there and robert kardashian. Was there you know but the clerks we'd all become close with you know the all. The investigators were up there with us. You know <hes> every secretary i mean we're all just huddled on the ninth floor together. It was just very very emotional and then i i think it was guil- that wants to do press conference. I think chris talked about it that he didn't want to and maybe marsha both of them. They didn't want to kill made them go out and face the world basically and i think if you remember the press conference christus broke down in my dad's or my arms. I forget <hes> system bearable. Here's chris a start on speaking at that press conference. I'm not angry but also like to thank. The lawyers are the prosecution team honored to have its at this portion of the video. That's chris chris kind of his composure and starts crying and now here is ron goldman. Speaking last thirteen ninety four was the worst nightmare of my life. This is the second. I just think pudding the actions of o. o._j. In his camp and with the goldmans and the browns were going through and just the moments following the verdict paint such a clear picture of the injustice it just makes you sick to your stomach so once you're done bingeing all the first degree episodes. I have a new series for you to bench and it's called carnival row. Carnival row is a one hour fantasy drama series starring orlando bloom and cara delevingne who we love the series is set in a victorian fantasy world filled filled with all these mythological creatures whose exotic homelands were invaded by the empires of man. They struggled to coexist with humans. They're forbidden to live love or fly with freedom. So orlando bloom plays right kroft phyllis straight also known as filo and he's a police inspector investigating a string of gruesome murders threatening threatening the uneasy peace of the row care delvina plays vignette stone moss a fairy refugee who flees her wartorn homeland to come to burg where she must contend not only early with rampant human prejudice against her kind but with the secrets that have followed her to a new land and even in darkness hope lives as human detective active ferry rekindle their dangerous affair despite an increasingly intolerant society come together on august thirtieth to watch carnival row only on amazon prime video this labor day weekend kende so this victory party that o. j. was having it was a huge event and people were spilling onto the streets. In the media. Ed was encroaching upon his house and crowds were gathering in front of his house. So the west los angeles police department had to send police units over to o._j.'s house for for crowd control and to protect the state while they were preparing in commencing to have this party which was essentially a party to celebrate the deaths of two people and this is what detective paul bishop said who had to go there and monitor that day and he was pretty disgusted by assignment and it's not really surprising why because beyond the obvious guilt of murdering the two innocent people the police department detective paul bishop and his colleagues had been mocked humiliated and condemned by simpson's legal team publicly for the world to see you in forty crates of champagne brought in for this party and he said in this article. We sat there and did it. This is our job. We may not like it but we did it. Meanwhile assign was being put up on sunset boulevard at the entrance to brentwood would saying welcome to brentwood home of the brentwood butcher another red murderer loose in brentwood and a lot of information. We're getting came from dominick. Don's vanity fair article. He wrote this incredible article about the post verdict sort of reverberation okay but anyway. Let's get back to the party at o. J.'s so those vibes at the party at rockingham didn't last long people start feeling it and that cheering along long and partying with this guy and his much-heralded pay per view tv deal collapsed along with the twenty million dollars. He assumed he would make the an icbm who is telling agency who'd wrapped him for twenty years at long with this personal agent dropped. Tim is a client and polls show that more than half of the country was outraged with the verdict district attorney ernie gil garcetti had announced on television that he was closing the case and wasn't going to pursue the quote unquote real killers which o._j. Was pissed about right because when gill said that in sinew eight st- everybody while the real killer was acquitted so if they're not pursuing other killers than it's just punctuating o._j.'s he's guilty even more. That's why he was so pissed. What else was o._j. Doing jacqueline he was also looking into suing the national organization for women on the grounds that it was depriving him of of his right turn a living in the spring of that year. Robert shapiro was booed at a lakers game and the rivera country club through o._j. Out because other members were outraged does does presence so jay may have been acquitted by the jurors but he was guilty and anyone paying attention new it and also after you know kind of explaining all this o._j. Was just pissed that people didn't like him. Yes they were expect. He was expecting everything just to go back to normal. He wanted to be raised. It's even more famous than you than before and it kind of backfired of what he thought was going to happen right and o._j. And really this the whole court spectacle was bleeding into every aspect of pop culture including souvenirs being sold and it was really treated as if it was a sporting event as we now. I remember seeing a watch with o._j. And the nebraska walking yeah yeah scroll scrolling around is the second hand but there was a lot more than that right and something that my mom actually brought up to me recently that you know this happened when we're so young so we forget a lot of what was happening but jay leno like back on his tonight show back in the day had this whole dancing ito thing where there's a bunch of guys judgy to that would do these choreograph dances and then they had some lady playing marcia clark with a miniskirt that like sexualize her at it. You know i guess when you're watching it like a normal person you find that funny but it's disgusting and then it's exploiting these people's trauma and pain and looking back on that it's so fucking inappropriate this and now that it to hardcore jay leno actually performed for the jury he actually went into the jury because the jury needed they were like the proudly so they brought jay leno in. They looked at his his transcript. They made sure that he didn't say anything about the trial. In the actually performed for twelve people probably probably the alternates as well so he performed for twenty four thirty six people like stand up stand up. Yeah i mean there was a question for nearly a year crazy scene and it's an it's a fascinating thing that kim talks about an hour podcast where she said you know they just wanted to be done by. The deliberation was so ashore they were just they missed. They missed magazines. They were most of your family without cell phones without internet. They were just in god knows they probably just coloring books and like v._h._s. Tapes yeah you can't talk to anybody cabin fever magazines but but things to be active about yeah and and my god it was like a social experiment in itself it is that it wasn't it wasn't exactly like prison but it was very very similar to prison listen and the need to get out of there and the want to get out of there was incredibly potent. Yeah we'll check back to what you're saying about. You know jay leno was doing skits and saturday night. Live was doing skits. I mean it's because the people in this is trial. It's not just the trial itself but the people became characters in there were so many and they were so juxtaposed. I mean the prosecution the defence the victims families the victims themselves and at the center of this you have o._j. Simpson i mean you had a cast of characters that the best casting director in los angeles couldn't have picked better themselves. You had all of these societal tensions teaming in motivating everybody involved left and then you have this you have this beloved football star who really resonated with his community and was doing endorsement deals and on the cover of cereal boxes and do you have this stunning murder victim in this honky other murder victim and it was just the trial all of the century. I know that's a cliche thing to say but i don't know how else to describe. It was all right so many people know that the goldman and brown families took o._j. To civil court and the jury ultimately ruled in their favor and you may be confused about how o._j. Simpson was found not guilty of have murdering nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman in a judgment by the criminal court. Get a civil court jury. Hell tim legally responsible for their deaths. So here is how the civil courts. Determination differentiates from the criminal criminal prosecution involves different laws in different burdens of proof than that of civil civil court and the definition of first degree murder in the context of o._j. In the case involving ron cole requires that the act to be done with malice with a forethought and premeditation in that you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that's the burden of proof in criminal court however in civil court for wrongful awful death on the other hand the plaintiffs which in this case we're talking about the goldman family and the brown family had only to prove that the defendants intentional and unlawful contact resulted in the victims deaths. The burden of proof in a civil case was a preponderance of the evidence in a a big huge difference between the criminal court and the civil court is in criminal court. You cannot be forced to testify. If you don't want to however in civil court you must so the big difference in this case was that jay was able to be deposed at length cross examined at length by attorney hired by the goldman family in this led to amazing revelations bruno magli shoes look like this you in court. That's imbaba in this case. One over ugly ashes those ugly ass shoes. Why were they ugly. The asked shoes my mind. They were what about them was mr pro style them. What about the star aesthetically adequately do the holder and to me. They were ugly shoes for those of you know. These were the shoes that were found to have made footprints in blood at the a crime scene so this is huge and he's having to answer for the first time in his criminal trial. He's able to sit there quietly because he didn't have to testify i but here he doesn't have a choice so when he's confronted with pictures of himself wearing these shoes his face drains and he's i mean monitoring hiring over his word you've never seen somebody look caught as much as he did when he saw the picture of him wearing those ugly ass shoes in when he was wearing these shoes and the murderer and they matched the print of the murder and there was only two hundred of them right. I was in state under three hundred number two hundred size twelve bruno magli early that were destroyed. They were distributed then even sold but given out to retailers editor in america but even in the face of this sort of evidence people still had excuses for it and for him you know i mean even in the in the civil case when we had the pictures of him wearing bruno mali shoes you know those were fake and like he was in a newsletter nine months glick nine months eight months earlier. What are your her before photoshop. I mean i honestly and i think but again if you're gonna if you're going to believe in a in a corrupt police environment environment then you're going to believe that everything they touch is tainted and corrupt another amazing thing about this deposition which was filmed was that o._j. Had to to address the pictures and the letters that were in nicole safety deposit box so for those of you who don't know she after these sort of bouts of abuse she had her sister take some pictures of her with these bloodied eyes and swollen faces and she was building evidence she was building a case and and you know the goldmans attorney put these pictures in front of him and he had to explain how it happened for striker no her yes. You ever physically hurt her. Yes you ever bruiser. Yes you had your fingers around her throat correct. The i touched her neck. Yes me could have touched this violent episode. Wasn't it to so you see those bruises on her face. You don't see anything not ask this. I think you don't think this picture reflects. Any bruising or injuries are marks on the poles face. What do you think this reflects reflects on a movie that we're doing. We're doing and watching him stumbled over his words words and try to come up with an excuse where there is no excuse was pathetic kyon and so many of those videos i mean you can youtube and i'm sure that there's been different documentaries about it but it is very very interesting. Fascinating thing beyond his admissions are really really a passive. He'll be like i guess but his face says it all so a lot more was revealed in these depositions. We can't go into everything here. We highly recommend you look into it yourself because it is really fascinating and o._j. Was ultimately found responsible in civil court court for the deaths of ron and nicole and the browns and the goldmans were awarded a multimillion dollar civil judgment so alexis had mentioned it a little bit earlier but obviously nicole was you know keeping tabs on <hes> the physical abuse that o._j. Was inflicting on her. She had these photographs photographs yet. Journal entries and there were these horrifying tapes of her nine. One one calls with a raging o._j. In the background and they're all these photos of her injuries and in one particular instance nicole is choking back sobs on the phone while her ex husband kicks down the back door for woodhouse and his screaming obscenities and threatening her her while her two young children are caused in an upstairs bedroom want emergency. You hit in one over here now to three to five gretna green. He's back. Please okay. What does he look like o._j. Simpson. I think you know his record. Can you just talk over here. What is he doing there. It's all about throwing the over. Wait a minute. What kind of car is in white bronco but first of all he broke the back door. The antigen wait a minute. What's your name. Nicole simpson. Okay is he's a sports counter or whatever yeah okay wait a minute. We're police. What is he doing anything. Threatening you not has he threatened threatened you in any way or i he just arousing it. You're going to hear him. In a minute again. Pages down the they want to stay on the line going to beat the so. This is just an aside. I mean no one enters in into a relationship off the bat thinking it's going to be horrible and abusive. These things happen over time time and nicola. No j. met in nineteen seventy seven when she was only eighteen years old and she was working as a waitress at a beverly hills. Club called called the daisy and even though at this time o._j. Was still married to his first wife marguerite and they divorced in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine and we mentioned this last episode. He had a baby who drowned in a pool the same year. This divorce happened in the same year. He was dating a coal crazier and the toddler was rushed to the u._c._l._a. Medical center and she fell into a coma and she died days later which is really really awful but it's my understanding. The tumultuous nature of this relationship started just off the bat. I mean and i'm sure it it's bread by he's dating nicole living with his wife like you can just imagine an eighteen year old dealing with celebrity and sort of this sort of complicated situation. Just slip it. If i can say cup exactly he buys. I've something to admit. I'm addicted online shopping. I don't even remember the last time that i stepped foot into a store and i'm not even ashamed about it because i know that i'm always getting the best steals and that's because i use honey so i've been using honey for years so i'm so stoked that there are sponsored the first degree and i'm going to tell you a little bit about them. They are a free browser add on that finds. 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She tells beliefs there are called the rockingham house onto your day of eighty nine and she says you never do anything you come out. You've been here eight times eight times and you never do anything about him on that occasion simpson insisted he didn't beat nicole. He only pushed her out of the bed so the officer said are you need to come with us to the police station. He says fine and then speeds off. He doesn't go to the police station and a few days later nicole went to the station and said she really did not want them to to proceed with a prosecution but she consented to an out of court mediation and the nineteen ninety-six book titled the run of his life. Life included a diary entry from nicole which detailed a recent threat from o._j. It said you hung up on me last night. You're gonna pay for this bitch. You're holding my money from the i._r._s. You're going to jail you fucking you think he can do any fucking thing you want. You've got it coming. I've already talked to my lawyers about this bitch. The get you tax evasion bitch i'll see to it to also called a battered women's shelter and santa monica on june seventh nineteen ninety four to report that her ex was stalking her which was so this is june seventh. She was killed june twelfth so so a week before she was calling woman shelter for help so sad all right but nicole told a friend a week before her death quote east go into kill me and get away with it and charm the world because he's o._j. Simpson the non one call from ninety three when nicola shouting when he gets crazed crazed. I get scared. He gets a very animalistic look at him. His eyes are black just black. I mean cold like like an animal in the coal was right. Everything happened just as she predicted it would in the truth about what happened to nicole elevated the national conversation about domestic violence it brought home the lethal danger of escalating abuse even if that connection escape the minds of the simpson jury but it did contribute to the nineteen ninety four passage of the violence against women act which was a piece of u._s. Federal legislation that expanded the judicial tools to combat violence against women and provide protection to women who had suffered violent abuses and it was initially signed into law in september nineteen ninety four by bill clinton so this stuff relating to the abusive nicole shocked the world and a chocolate goldman's to as they were hearing it but i think <hes> you know one of the things i learned no throughout the process to is that domestic violence calls went down. Yes and that's these that's that ripple effect and not only the race relations but probably even more importantly was the domestic violence issue because it seemed like nicole a coal with calling nine one one a bunch of times <hes> taking the pictures writing the letter putting it all in a safe deposit box. You know telling her friend to her sister that he's gonna kill me. Get away with that and get away with it because he's so jay all of that stuff she she seemingly was doing aside from you know she didn't go as far as getting a restraining order but she seemed to be doing a lot of things correctly and i think they probably were people that saying listen if that's going to happen you know. I'm just gonna shut up about it. Well i think <hes> i think it was in the ninth episode and we we talked about a domestic violence and <hes> i think one of the experts the advocate that was on <hes> you know she talked about the system letting nicole down over and over again and you know sh obviously we don't know that it would have saved your life but it let her down numerous times and so you know i think that there's a lot of people that feel that way today still that the assistant doesn't protect you from your abuser and <hes> not to get into too much but i tried to get a restraining order once and it was very hard and i i i remember having to say to the guy you basically waiting for someone to have a gun to my head before you issue me a restraining order like i have enough here and he said did you know you don't you don't have enough. We need a weapon. We need more. This was recent not recent but like in the last ten years. I mean it's not that easy. You know <hes> especially especially if the person is online and you don't know where their addresses that's the whole thing restraining orders that they have to have a physical dry so if somebody is threatening you online fine but you don't know where they live to just a couple couple a year ago. I had someone sending me really violent. <hes> disgusting threatening being <hes> and i reported it and i had come out and they basically were like this is all you have on like. Are you kidding me. This person sending me knives threatening me like oh. We can't and find an i._p. Address and we don't have the same person coma. God like this is scary because you know you're exposed you know and it it's it's. It's not doesn't feel safe and i can't. I can't even imagine what nicole endured and then even. If you do restraining order it's peace birth. Not gonna do anything really it. Somebody wants to kill you. There are clearly yeah so kim in the goldmans and the brown family sort of had to live in this aftermath and lived in this reality that o._j. Was walking free. I mean in this persisted from one thousand nine hundred five till two thousand seven when <hes> some news of some trouble o._j. Had gotten into hit the media so on the night of september thirteenth two thousand seven seven a group of men led by o._j. Simpson and mind you. He's been free for a number of years now just living his life thinking about the law <hes> he entered a room. This group entered a room in the palestine hotel. In las vegas nevada bruce who was sports memorabilia dealer testified that the group of men broke into his hotel room and stole various sports memorabilia at gunpoint three days later on september sixteenth two thousand seven simpson and his friends arrested for their involvement in the robbery and there were all held without bail so what's even crazier to me about this is so they were basically robbing this guy gunpoint in the kidnapping charges <hes> stemmed from holding someone in a location at gun point. That's kidnapping. You can't hold someone against their will in the definition hyphenation of kidnapping or abduction vary state by state <hes> but in this case one of them audio recorded in. We're gonna play some of that for you right now. My ship walk it off. It might get you off of them. In october third two thousand eight exactly thirteen years to the day after he was acquitted of the murders of his ex wife and ron goldman he was found guilty of all twelve charges and was sentenced to thirty three years in prison and he was eligible for parole in nine years america thought he was finally getting justice and then on july twentieth two thousand seventeen o._j. Was granted parole after he served nine years for the robbery and las vegas and as he spoke at his parole hearing during his lack of remorse and pathological self righteousness before the parole board oozed out of him he said and i quote i have basically spent rent a conflict free life which is a booking insane denial denial denial psychopath psychopathic bath breath <hes> this evoked memories of smug smile and the goldmans raw anguish as the verdict was read in the l a superior court on october third in nineteen ninety-five and if you're curious what he was doing after he was paroled so when he was released pam bondi florida florida state attorney general wrote a letter to the florida department of correction saying our state should not become a country club for this convicted criminal so simpson i actually stayed in the las vegas area and so you have some context with that prior to this incident las vegas which landed him in jail for this kidnapping and robbery convictions. He was living in florida florida. Florida was his main point of residents but they didn't want him back in his plan was when he got out to go back to florida but they kind of made that difficult for him to do so we ultimately ended up staying in las vegas so he lived a five thousand square foot home after his release in <hes> <hes> las vegas and a gated community and a month after his release he went out to a steakhouse and lounge of cosmo resort off the las vegas strip. He ended up in kind of a dispute kerfluffle. I don't know what to call it because i wouldn't call violent but i wouldn't call it not it was like a scuffle <hes> some pushing some yellowing that sort of thing and he was basically ordered off the property and banned from ever returning so this guy i mean he can't help himself like he's arrogant against. He just attracts this sort of conflict wherever he goes and you know vegas is where he remains and he's essentially living off his his pension and whatever money he's making. He's hiding from the goldmans at every turn because he owes them a fuck ton of money. It's still so incredibly insane and to me that you can do this do it o._j. To to people and be walking free and kim is just the strongest person i've ever met for having to sit with this every day. It's it's infuriating operating so where are all of the people who helped o._j. Get acquitted today. We cannot do an aftermath episode about the o._j. Simpson simpson case or ron goldman or nicole simpson without talking about o._j.'s dream team quote unquote in the opinion of many the lawyers who fought so hard hard for o._j. Simpson's acquittal have become diminished by their association with him and this is dominic dunn article for vanity fair. He called called victory without honor so there were at least ten lawyers who worked on simpson's dream team and many of them though didn't even speak in court but they were there for various reasons in some of them drew more attention than others. I mean everybody knows about johnny. Cochran about her dashing rob shapiro interestingly distinctly robber crashing died of safa gio cancer in two thousand three and johnny cochran died of brain cancer in two thousand five robert shapiro stewardess practice into civil litigation after the trial and co founded legalzoom so he's doing just fine however he did undeb starting the brent shapiro foundation benefiting drug abuse awareness after a son died of an overdose in two thousand and five which is very sad act and berry shack the attorney who has probably the most interesting to directory post trial than anyone started the innocence project which to me. I interpret as just like repentance. The innocence project is an amazing organization and they do really amazing work and they actually usually get innocent people out so i just think it's fascinating that he was on his team to begin with the aftermath and the people that were in the trial on the defense team. You see a lot of them are not with us anymore and <hes> but some of them. Are you see robert shapiro starting co-founder of legalzoom. He's on t._v. And everything like that. I'm sure those his commercials are probably popped up while you're watching t._v. Yeah but right. You've got other guys like kardashian. He dies of cancer. You've got cochran cochran died of cancer brain cancer <hes> um so i mean a lot of people have pointed to that as being karma. How do you feel about that. <hes> i mean yeah. I guess i i honestly didn't attach too much such feeling to their deaths. <hes> i didn't shed tier. I wasn't celebrating. I just was kind of indifferent to it because it it it alleviated a little bit of stress you know because that was just no one less too less people when robert shapiro son overdosed overdosed <hes> you know there was a there was a part of me that saw maybe now you understand what it feels like you know but his son also who didn't die at the hands of another person on but there was probably a little bit a part of me that was like wishing that he feel a little bit of pain the way that we did and i know that's not very compassionate of of me <hes> but again this is where my head and my heart don't always align because i think come run a mental health treatment facility you know like i'm very compassionate <hes> but when it comes to the people that contributed to so much of my trauma i hold them in a different category and i'm just try not to give them anymore. My energy because i can't afford can't afford to keep letting them take that much away from me it at one of the guys that was part of the defense team went on to start the innocence project which is a member. We were at a party menu with uh-huh producer who he won't name and we were talking about. It was actually my first story for that t._v. Show and he said yeah it was it was the innocence project because it was the case kimberly long san diego and he's like you know the innocence project right and he turns to you and you go i know barry right and then i turn to him and i go. The fuck is wrong with you. Yeah and it's almost like i i always i see his career as being just one long apology almost almost yeah yeah you know i i. I don't like to see people. Oh that have been wrongfully convicted. Stay behind bars. I'm all for science all four us kind of going back and revisiting sitting in you know because again you know it's it's some of these cases are so old that we didn't have the resources than and if barry sheck is doing something good in the world to help make somebody else's life better that was wrongfully convicted then more power to him but it doesn't excuse what happened in our case <hes> and i again i can separate. I understand the role of the defense attorney. I understand that if that if i was accused of something i would want the best team of people in my court i get all that but i was also sitting in a courtroom watching these people lie and cheat and manipulate and and annihilate good humans on for the sake of getting their client off who the whole fucking world thank you for swearing knows is guilty and what they did to manipulate a system that i think is designed to be truthful honest in theory take advantage of that. I don't have a lot of room for for kindness right and what i was gonna say is like like the role of a defense is completely ness legally necessary and they they protect our liberties but with these defense attorneys did not only impacted your family and the outcome of this the things that they were arguing that we're not true right caused so many we say race relations back in sleet trust. The police shooting in our system allows that and so you know as much as i am angry what they did. Our system afforded them the opportunity to do that. Judge ito allowed for that stuff to happen that didn't happen in the in the case and not courtroom they got away with so much that was unnecessary and our system allows allows for those things to happen so they use the system to their benefit. They manipulated. They bent twisted it. They do whatever they possibly couldn't work. You know taking myself out of this. Good good on you for being able to do that. Personal choices and i agree and i. I don't like condemn every criminal defense attorney because somebody has to do it yeah but like when i think about what's it's happened to some of these men. I'm like yeah. You're a piece of shit right. Those are personal choices cochran. You see prosecutor. How can you like. I think these guys is like devil's advocate. How can you be arguing for the good and then use these legal hijinks to cause so much pain not just in this case but knowingly knowingly adding fuel to a fire that was already. You know what i think you make a good point about personal choices. I've always come back to you know there's there's a line that was crossed first and then they just kept going and i think that you can you can provide a valiant defense for your client as you're supposed to but then and what they did continuing <hes> in that that that i i just think is is is without integrity and i don't have any respect for that. It was victory without honor for all of them and the rest of their careers were completely tarnished. Yeah insure you can get a good investment and start legalzoom. People still don't respect you know that guy killer stink on all of them sustained gun henry lee steak on on on shack jack even though shack is like doing work and getting you know being hugged and getting a lot of people out of prison that shouldn't be imprisoned has fantastic work but you still have a stink on you because because of that wasn't like you were hurting for if you're court appointed attorney and you're trying to defend somebody like you said alexis. You're doing your job. These guys were not hurting for money and i almost think that when they we're all in a room together they were constantly competition between them then only for leadership of it but also trying to wind up each other like what else could we get away with like. I'm going to go even bigger than you you. You did this with this. Watch me do this with this so you had all of these swing index at a room saying this is what we're gonna do right in the last thing i want to say about the dream dream team my mom's an attorney and she graduated from santa clara university which is where gerald allman was the dean the year before so so she was studying under him and then had to watch the trial as like newly graduated lawyer and he apparently instilled just like integrity and and she said she was horrified because she's the most altruistic like the opposite of what this the stereotypical lawyer like one of these guys is. She was hurt hurt by it because she's like. I just learned from you and this is what you're doing. I've heard that a lot <hes> from people in law enforcement and then also attorneys that were just mortified if i buy what they were seeing when it comes to home security what does protection mean to you. 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Button so this podcast is brought to you and sponsored by a._d._t. All right so as most of you probably know jay is now free and i he's living in a gated community <hes> supposedly he's living with someone who spend venice supporter of his <hes>. I don't know but he <hes> we know that he's treated pretty well while i shouldn't say that i got yelled at for saying that he's treated like a king in vegas because a lot of people said that's not how he's been treated but we know he gets v._i._p. Access a maybe to restrict places but <hes> you know he drives he gets driven around by a driver and a bentley the and that's what we've heard. We've seen documentation of <unk> when he was paroled. I felt this anxiety society again and the reason i bring it up is because i didn't realize that i was free from it until he was coming back out again because when he's walking the streets and wherever he was living whether it in los angeles or in florida there was always a moment that we could run into him you know or he'd pop up on television but when he was imprisoned for nine years you know i was like oh i have a little bit for break and then when he was released parole it was like the hairs went up back of my neck again because i'm like exposed to it again o._j. Has been keeping himself quite busy the and one way he's been doing this is through his newly opened twitter account and he's got a lot to say o._j. Simpson appeared on twitter addressing one the long standing rumors namely that he has chloe kardashians real father for years fans have commented on the striking similarities between the two and he said that his relationship relationship with rob kardashian was out of brothers and that the rumors are quote unquote bogus and tasteless and the fact that he is saying that is tasteless is fucked fucked up the fact that he says anything. I mean this guy's not a person to be you know criticizing criticizing taste exactly speaking of him having having a wanting to have his own voice he gets out he starts a twitter account and then it all comes back again. Why do you think he started. The twitter account. Is it because he knew you were doing the podcast. It's not a coincidence. It came out the same day that the podcast asked was released so the same day well. Let me say this my podcast. The first episode was june twelfth. I didn't know about his twitter account till the fourteenth awesome but by that point he had like five hundred dollars so i- somewhere between the twelfth and the fourteenth that happened. I don't know i wasn't paying attention and someone forwarded to me but the ninth eighty broke into the hotel room in vegas was the same day that the if i did a book was released so maybe you know with his first tweet being. I have some getting even to do. I mean that's the first thing you say exactly so. Has he said anything about you. Since then he talked about the howard stern show <hes> that i was on <hes> which was great by the way thank you <hes> he. He talked around that but it was in referenced and the debates and he talked his tweet. The other day was about you know gun violence and all the murdering the compliment that's rich. Would i loved what what i loved was when he was at his parole hearing these i've lived a life free of conflict is what he said fucking insane well and you know. I don't remember <hes> <hes> if i don't know if you're watching the hearing if you're there was a one of the parole board members was wearing an n._f._l. Was tie that whole thing was a farce yeah. The whole thing was the first all right so what we should absolutely you. Bring up in what few people really understand. The inner workings of is this book if i did it that o._j. Had written but it wasn't really him it was by a ghostwriter by ghost rider order but it was a hypothetical situation that if he did commit these murders how he would have done it literally play by play and it was really interesting to me that it was written by a ghostwriter. This man named pablo vignette disease was actually testifying against o. j. in the trial because because he was a neighbor that heard nicole simpson's dog barking so when he was approached to go straight the book for o._j. Who's quite confused to say the least east yeah and it was his manager. I think who had approached him about it and he was like i'm not really sure have to after mull over taking this project but eventually after he met o._j. He was kind kind of like like this book. People initially will think i'm a piece of shit for doing it but once they read it. They'll realize why i did it. It's like he's confessing and i'm helping thing. Put it out there right. When did you first learn about the book and then when you read that chapter what was going through your head you know he. This is not normal that you know an innocent person would not do that just a concept in and of itself of writing it and in and be agreeing to do it. It's just weird most insane thing. That's psychotic. Person does the if i did a book. <hes> i remember i was sitting in the parking lot picking my son up from kindercare <hes> when he was <hes> like after school or something <hes> <hes> and a friend of mine who was <hes> read had it on the national enquirer like it was undercover national choir that he wrote if i did it so i found out like the rest of the world and then we did whatever we needed to do from a legal legal perspective and raised a stink in the book hold but we ended up that's a whole podcast <unk> in of itself but we originally thought that that book quasi manual for murder and so we were very much against it and <hes> successful in getting them to pull it <hes> and then ended up with that stupid book <hes> <unk> by a bunch of legal maneuverings because he owes so much money from the civil case. I read chapter six which was called the night of and also come got this confession holy crap. I want everybody to see this like at some point. I we kind of flipped <hes> not that. I wanted to publish it. We were forced to publish it. That's a court order <hes> but once i read it and i understood what it was about i wasn't as i was fully disgusted by the book because i think it's disgusting at innocent quote unquote innocent person right hypothetical about about how he killed his wife and somebody else <hes> but then i was like oh this is a confession. That's how i interpreted it. <hes> it's just gross that we were forced to publish it so interestingly i mean we had this massive judgment one by the goldmans in the o._j. Civil case so in bankruptcy court how it works. They're the largest debtors o._j. Owes them the most money so when this happens they took him to court they were actually awarded the rights to the book so but under these terms they were awarded the rights but they actually had to put the book out and they had to publish put the book out under the original name but to get around that they did something interesting to get around it so the title of the book was if i did it and the original cover it was just a big if i did it so what the goldmans dead as they took the f. jeff and put the really small and really light in side the is you can barely even see it and as an outsider's perspective. It just looks like it says i he did it and then underneath it is as confessions of a killer which i thought was a very interesting move on their part by o. J. simpson yeah and it's like they. I any of them. Having control over this piece of literature is so interesting and they got so much shit about it because people don't understand how this works where it's like they were just trying to collect on anything to punish him and it's like they didn't want to put this put put this book out they had to to get a sense from him and but then they ultimately i think once they read it based on what kim said the no at this is a confession people should see this. This is the piece of shit to did this. Whether are we like it or not. This happened o._j. Was acquitted for two murders. He committed. We have to sit with this. This is part of our history now now and we look back on the days after this acquittal and it says mind blowing now as it was then in one thousand nine hundred four after o._j. Simpson was acquitted in the days following. He reportedly was cavorting in beverly hills with frederick's of hollywood we would model gretchen stockdale and openly playing golf in florida with paula barbieri beside him was girlfriend while ron and nicole were buried in the ground at age twenty five and thirty five with photographic evidence of their death and autopsy photos now on on the internet for people to see what o._j. Did to them the evidence of that has been seen by millions of people and he's just out and and you know it's one of the things we send the beating of this episode where it's like no case has sort of shook loose sort of injustices and rattled us us as people in that you trust the judicial system that when you go into a case if you did it if you didn't do it the conviction will land appropriately in this is a case that really rattled people's faith not only the judicial system but thanks to people like johnny cochran in the police as well like i said it continues to resonate to this day day. I mean and it's only been twenty five years as as long as that is. It's also a short amount of time and we all remember it and we'll talk about it and it's still as culturally relevant as ever. Are you know with this twenty five year anniversary. That's that's come. I mean i think something fascinating. That kim said was that the day podcast came out o._j. Got on twitter the day that was the day he was a yeah. What what does that coincide with the day that he right yeah the booker. It's turn over to them the day that he did. The vegas operate a day that they acquired the nada. It's consistent yeah and he he pushes back. You know he's he can't help it and he wants wants to be perceived as it's like well liked balanced guy but he can't even help like i'm gonna join twitter and fuck with fuck with these people not even realizing how overt it is has the day off and that's that's what we we hope because the system failed us the media potentially fail l. this the civil court failed us because he's not paying any money right now because getting his pension and all that stuff so he's got all these his trick set up to where the bar on his house and stuff so now he's on social media. He thinks he's winning. Can we catch him with that. That's all i think about is that. Can we catch him in. He's making money on. This is making money on that spending money on on this at or something like that. I don't think people would dare give him ads man. That'd be so weird. It would just be suicide for this. Fucking can shitty clubs. You know come on jack. You know that shitty clubs club since i was nineteen i know jackson. You know that what i'm talking about you don't you don't let me just like some fucking bullshit clubs like oh. We want some people that come to us o._j. Appearance yes i mean. I don't know maybe maybe maybe a crappy. Club in vegas wasn't as an o._j. Seventy one years old. He's not going to be live that much longer meeting kim goldman today. She's a lovely person and she does not deserve what she's been through no and he's duped act so many people. I'm just sick of it. I just don't fucking like o._j. Simpson and we were struggling in this episode because and some of it's boring. I realize those parts and like it's when we talk about o. j. He's just a slimy arrogant psychopath and i just don't fucking like him and i cannot wait till i don't have to ever hear about him again and can goldman's amazing fred fred goldman. I didn't meet him but i want to know him. Based on kim's podcast ron goldman was probably a lovely guy just based on his family in nicole. I mean it's horrific and fucking hate you o._j. Sam all right well. We wanna think kim goldman for coming and talking to us today. You are amazing and we're in all of your grace and your perseverance and you never forgetting about ron and his legacy and <hes> on that note. If anybody has a first degree connection to you a murderer other stranger than fiction crime. Please write us. Hello i agree podcast dot com. Obviously this is probably the most famous case in history that we cover today but we also cover very lesser-known cases and no cases too small to reach out to us to cover so write us and again enter a giveaway of give us a five star review on itunes or apple podcast. I mean and leave your instagram handle so we can <hes> pick a winner this week. You can pick anything you want to inter's this week. Oh to hundreds of billions. I decided 'cause billy is the boss of apparently which is a fucking lie. Totally blossom here really are completely really are um okay. 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TE Tiers 2019

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TE Tiers 2019

"Welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking Heads Fantasy football podcast show here a your hosts Jeff Carrier Seth Law. Hello everyone and welcome to the N._F._l.. Talking talking heads of fantasy football podcast show. I'm your host Jeff carrier. He is seth law. We are back for another great episode to talk tight end tears getting closer rounding out all our positional tears for everyone out there and seth it is time the training camp season has finally started. We're going to actually start seeing seeing some players on the field and you know soon enough. They'll be most likely some injuries impacting rankings and of course eighty ps but it's exciting to see people on the field in football almost here. Oh Yeah it's been it's been way too long and we are. We're back in it. It's one hundred degrees out today in New Hampshire and no better place to be during one hundred under degree day than inside in the air conditioned in the air conditioning talking fantasy football so let's let's get to it all right so before we get into tight end tears big breaking news on Tyreek Hill there will be no suspension from the N._F._l.. tyreek hill you know let's just skip the part on the inconsistency of the N._F._l.. And whether or not he should have been suspended or not. That's a different discussion. Let's get to whereabout uh fantasy football where does terry kill now slide into your rankings A._D._p.. Wise not ranking. Should I say where does he slide in eighty P wise on the draft board where we're my drafting him Yup also when we talk yesterday when the news broke and you ask me my first reaction was like third round. That's the first thing I said we talked about it and as before I even looked at any updated eighty ps and it looks like you know his A._D._p.. Is Bright in the third round three point four and I think that's pretty on target right now. I'm drafting him today. If the draft is today I would take him in the third round right around three point zero four. That's pretty spot on now if it's pretty quiet on the tyreek hill front from now until the being the season and we're here in late August and he's always you know he's on his best behavior hasn't got into trouble. There's no nothing else is breaking is no other evidence that emerges than I could see taking him in the the second round. Maybe the end of the second round middle the second round the bottom line is tyreek hill. If this off the field stuff never never immersion or was never an issue. He's a early second rounder like you can make a case for maybe taking him in the first round right I mean he he's that elite has that much upside. He's probably the number one fantasy wide receiver if we're just talking football and when he brings you know on the field so the drafts right now. I'm taking him in the third round but I'm giving you know I'm open to moving that up to to the second round <hes> if nothing else crazy happens now in August. I'm going to be a a bit more aggressive as we kind of our initial reactions kind of led me to to to believe now if you if you're type person will you go on and you're looking at the A._D._p.. And you see three point zero four all you need to do is look at the chart of at four point zero three. There's four point four and now he's at three point four. He went up a full round within a day well. The law of averages should tell us that he's not getting to three or four because people are drafting met three. Oh four people were drafting him above that spot and that's where his average opposition happens to be landing or he skyrocketed in a day so my guess is he's getting drafted right now in the middle of the second so if you've seen three point four <hes> and you're you're going off that you're never going to get him realistically. If you're looking at the second round of the fantasy football draft I mean first thing that comes to mind is he easily sides in front of Damian Williams in my eyes I mean why why am I taking Damian Williams over Tyreek Hill. You're not doing that so so he easily slides in front of that spot as worst case scenario and then in terms of just a range of outcomes or Dra- oppositions. I say he could go as high as above depending on how you like some of these players like I would take Juju over him but I would take tyreek over Odell Beckham so now we're talking on the fringe of the turn so my guess is he's. He's all the way that high to potentially downward Liam so one point twelve to two point zero. Seven is the range. I have a minute and probably closer to the top of that range. I mean mean if we didn't get in trouble for what we just all experience right if he didn't get in trouble then then he's not gonna get suspended during the season even if he did something else he would need some kind of the Cam. I'd be more worried about the Kansas City the chiefs potentially suspending him if something else comes up and they face a big you know a p._r.. Hit and there's backlash there's pressure put on the chiefs. Maybe the chief suspend him. You know I don't know or maybe this this gets. Maybe something else happens in this gets to be to the the point where there's so much heat on tyreek Hill that there's a huge distraction and he wasn't perform or he who knows. I mean like if you're if you're going to take him in the early second round or some of these players wanted to take over Julio. I mean like either there. You're hedging against all that other stuff. You're not now. I'm hedging against all that other stuff by taking him in the third round if you're not doing that if you're taking him over Odell Beckham then what you're saying is I'm not worried about any of that other stuff at all so at that point wanted to take him in the first round. Down I think he's a first round player like you could take you could take him over Julio. You can take him definitely over Le Vian Bell you could potentially take him over Michael Thomas. I mean if he if we're just talking about tyreek hill the fantasy football wide receiver. He's probably W top eight or nine pick yeah I mean I suppose I mean you definitely have a point. I'm most I am more on the side of. I'm not really paying attention to anything else happening because also the Kansas City chiefs allowed him back into the facilities weeks before this announcement so it seems like everything's kind of getting brush underneath the rug now that we have a solid month until we actually have our draft. I think that we'll get everything we need to know in terms of quote unquote P._R.. It would take something drastic like a ray rice kareem hunt video to come out and I think we've already kind of heard you know in audio the worst that was released so I I suppose you always have that risk with someone with Terry kills background but I'm going for more upside there but anyways good conversation going to be a very interesting player over the next few weeks I think without a shadow of a doubt he's going to be creeping up at least a solid round if not more to your point because of how he did finish last year he does deserve to be potentially in the conversation of the first wide receiver off the board and the first wide receiver off the board is is typically deandre Hopkins at around six so all right so let's jump into it tight ends ooh tough position to picks the sexiest position Asian all fantasy so this should be a little bit shorter because it's just not as much obviously depth here to talk about. We have a couple of the the regulars right at the top that we're familiar with this. is how the topless. Let's just top ten. I'M GONNA say with a top ten finished out last year and you can start off with your tier. One tight ends just in order from one to ten was Travis Kelsey kittle Erz Hebron Cook Burton Burton Austin Hooper the joke who Rudolph O._J.. Howard and some of these are obviously you know ranking the difference between ranking thirteen and six for example was like a total title of less than it was ten points so less than one point a week so there really aren't ten good tight ends here if you're an attend team league in every team has one tight end l.? Every semester star one tight end is going to be at least two or three the teams that aren tight end stream mode starting we one okay so tier one for you for tight ends tier one from eases Travis Calcium jacquards. I think clearly Travis Kelsey is a a little bit ahead of jacquards but I like them. Both you can't go wrong with either one. I would put them in the same here on. I think it's pretty pretty easy pretty straightforward. Travis Chelsea's Akers Tier One yep now of course we're GONNA follow up all of our tears with breaking down where they're going A._D._p.. Wise so that's going to be a different discussion but I did want to clarify that just because we're we're saying Zakar. It's the same tears Kelsey <hes> in terms of player and quality and all that stuff. I am a little hesitant on where's Akers A._D._p.. Is You know and Kittles for that matter but we're going to get to that in different say yeah. We're look at it like it is if A._D._p.. Doesn't matter value doesn't matter just who who who do you have all things are equal if you can get him in the same spot. Who would you rather have <hes>? I think it's clearly travis Kelsey Anzac urged you agree. Yep completely agree on that because here's here's the key. I think a lot of people are going to say you know. Why are you not have George Kill Kill in that <hes> in that that tier because his A._p.? Is Three Point Nine Zakharov three point zero six. They're close <hes> George kill had more receiving yards last year. He's he's a little younger in my thing is and I have we'll kind of transition to the second tier George Kill <hes> by himself into your to the reason for that is it's just a little bit more uncertainty with George Kitto. Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be healthy. We'll see Jimmy. Garoppolo can stay healthy. That offense is on the come up. Endorsed kills obviously going to be a big part of that. He was a big part of their offense last year on a really really bad team so I think George kiddle has you could argue. He has a little more upside Zacher especially considering. I don't think anybody expects Akers to have one hundred sixteen catches again but I just like the situation as accurate and the it's more stable. I think George kittle could potentially be a little bit more volatile but I think he's clearly in the second tier by himself. If you miss out on Jacquards and Travis Kelsey and you end up with George Kill you have one of the three best tight ends and fantasy football and like we saw last year he's going to be a stud so George Kettle into your to all by himself and after that I think there's a pretty big drop off yeah and a lot can be said about the difference between target chair percentage when Jimmy Garoppolo is there and when he he wasn't is actually pretty similar twenty three percent the first three weeks with Jimmy Garoppolo twenty six percent with the rest of the quarter quarterbacks that they had for their meeting of the season of forty niners so you know there should be questioned in terms of if Jimmy Garoppolo's gotta feed kibble but I think the bigger question is can he hold onto his twenty three percents with the influx of new receivers and kind of weapons so. I think he might get a knock there but I think like you said it's close. He's in his own tier so I agree with that as well lily a little bit more uncertainty with if he can keep hold of that target share percentage but I look at his touchdown only five touchdowns last year so even if his target share percents drops off a little bit and even though we see that receptions eight eight receptions go down a little bit because of it he could easily put an eight nine touchdowns you know in that and so I think back a balance out but yeah he's he's in Tier Two tier three we big drop off and I think this is the spot where and this is probably different conversation Mt Tear Tear tweezers empty three-tiered pretty empty. I think at this point for me I would almost be looking to to wait like that's how crazy does this year with the it's really top heavy of the three big tie downs and after that and actually know what I'll make one one caveat too that is I really like O._J.. Howard and I think the problem with O._J.? Howard our is his A._D._p.? Is is five point zero seven so everything we love. Boji Howard is baked in already baked into his eighty pig which A._d._p.'s not top what we're talking about today so different conversation for different show but <hes> my tier three is is is O._J.. Howard Eric Hebron and Hunter Henry and Hunter Henry would be at the bottom of that here? I you know I debate even leaving him out of this third tier. I just decided I'm leaving Hunter Henry. He doesn't deserve to being here O._J.. Howard Air Lebron I I love O._J.? Howard for a lot of the same reasons that I love Chris Godwin we've we've already talked about Kris Golvin a lot? I know he's a trendy player. I I love of O._J.. Howard for so often the Bruce Arians thing which I wanNA talk about everybody mentioned the Bruce Arians the offense better but this is O._J.? Howard third year in the league this is where tight ends you know usually make the step forward to being an actual factor after now health is is always an issue with O._J.? Howard hasn't played a full season yet but only played eight games last year fourteen the previous year in his rookie are but we're already seen the touchdown said five or more touchdowns each of his first two seasons seasons four hundred more receiving yards each of his first two seasons and we don't usually tight ends make an impact at all? It's even worse than than it is a receivers when they come into the N._F._l.. Early on so I I like his talent his size his athletic ability loved the offense and no more Adam Humphries no more to Sean Jackson. I think it's GonNa be a big year throwing the ball for Tampa Bay. They lead the N._F._l.. Last year and pass attempts. They're gonNA throw the ball a ton so I like O._J.. Howard I I don't love his A._D._p.? But again we're doing tears and I think that he is clearly hands down. The fourth best tight end big drop off from George Killed O._J.. Howard but I think O._J.? Howard presents a good balance at this point of he's going me fairly safe relatives the tight ends that are in this grouping and he has the most upside at anybody else from this point on yet? I think the one that in terms of in this here the disagree with his Eric Hebron on I just don't like how they brought in Devin funchess who I feel like is fairly similar player to Eric Hebron even more weapons of Paris Campbell etc.. Maybe a healthy Marlin Mac. I just the more of a I don't like Hebron repeating his numbers and I I would probably throw Evan Ingram in the same tears how so so you didn't like you don't like Kevin Ingram obviously as much as Howard or even Abra no no no ear Iran. I see I agree with you on a lot of points about Abraham Hebron's a great example of for A._D._p.. I I don't love him and he probably won't be on a lot of my teams because six point twelve is too pricey for Hebron at the same point though we're just ranking these tight ends on you know how they are as fantasy players without A._D._p.'s entering into the equation argue bronze number four I mean I think you expect his touchdowns to come down a little bit because of what you mentioned with with the addition of funchess and maybe Peres Campbell Marla Mac and how the but bottom line indies going to have a really good offense and Andrew Lock is very efficient red zone. They're going to be a lot of touchdowns up for grabs. Eric Brown had thirteen touchdowns. I think he can still get ten so you were. We're talking about a a starting tight end with Andrew Lock on the Indianapolis Colts. Getting potentially ten touchdowns get to be in the seven to eight hundred receiving yards sixty <unk> distinct those are solid safe numbers to expect from Eric Hebron even if he comes down down a little bit on his production from last year and that's why I'm taking him over Evan Ingram you know I in terms of tears I like him more than Evan Ingraham a loved more than like him more than Hunter Henry and so on okay and so that wraps up tier three are- with O._J.. Howard and Eric Hebron heading into tier four is this where we have Evan Ingram and Hunter Henry and anyone else or how's your tearful look just just those is too? I I after that where you know. I don't know what we're GONNA do frontiers. It's like everybody else at that point. It's like I'm waiting. I might wait till to grab P._J.. Hopkinson if you round later I have Hunter Henry and Evan Ingram to pure wide receiver <hes> tight end threats if you will I I just I don't love we'll start with Hunter Henry. I mean first of all. He's really had a hard time staying unhealthy. He missed all of last season right and I just we haven't really seen we've seen stuff from Hunter Henry in spurts right and he's very his touchdown numbers. Were really high as rookie or they touchdowns if he. Gets the snaps he is going to be hit. His upside is great if he can get the volume being at the snaps if he can get the targets we just haven't seen it to this point in San Diego or Los Angeles if you will so I like him more than ever ingram because I like his upside a little bit more than Evan Ingram. I like the chargers offense better than the giants offense obviously but I think these two are very I think that the the variances greater with these two especially Hunter Henry I think he's got more boom bust potential. We've seen him have weeks where he has two touchdowns. I've seen him have weeks where he basically puts up zero bomb yeah. Sometimes I just don't understand these eighty ps I mean are people literally only swinging for the fences and just like just completely content with just whipping. I mean Hunter Henry missed all twenty eighteen right didn't do it is intend to anything the previous years he was a nice player but not a great player because Philip rivers like some of the elite quarterbacks passes the ball around so much so he was a nice player he wasn't Kelsey or Gronk any of his first two seasons so he misses an entire year and somehow is so getting drafted early six six round right now in team league I just I don't understand the A._D._p.. Now in terms of caliber player is he above just about everyone else as he should be in this last here that you have I agree because this upside is higher but that doesn't mean he should be going into six round again other discussion for different day his his pedigree and that team he's got some upside there for sure and he'll be heading into his. I don't know I guess technically is fourth year or you know his third playing ear so yeah yeah I think this rounds out my tears because hundred Henry and everything or to me while I don't love of either one of them. I think you can look at each of them and say okay. I have my starting tight end granted. Oh probably be still be my we the weakness on my team. It might my worse starter but I have a starting caliber tight end that I'm at least gonNA start every single week because they have upside after that. It's it's pretty much. You're streaming tight ends. You're drafting multiple tight ends in you know playing it by committee so I. I don't know what you WANNA do for the next exteriors I mean it will. I is there anybody else that I left out that you would include in this year. I would probably include in that tier. I wouldn't take them before. I don't know I wouldn't necessarily put him his own tear. This lump them in as the quote tear before the streaming tears. We'll call it is probably jared cook because he had pretty good year last year and with New Orleans I feel like you'll fit that category that you just Kinda described and that is I've got a starter on most most weeks. Not every week is going to be great but a most weeks assuming health you know I can just plug him in there and I think you'll have a decent day so I think I'd throw jared cook in that in there and in that here with my problem Joel Island Promise Jerry Cook is the Saints Really Have Not used tight ends since they had Jimmy Graham and is that a product of them not really having in good tight end or is that just they got a lot of rushing touchdowns with Alvin Kamara. Even though there's no Mark Ingram here you have Michael Thomas who's an absolute beast and they spread the ball around so much I just I think but at this point the draft yeah I I think we look at him as a starter I I think he's kind of lumped in. I look like Jared Cook. David Joko potentially awesome hooper in this range and T._J.. Hopkinson those would be my you know. My grouping of players is that that might follow the next year but I'm not going out on my way to grab any of those players I would. I would consider them with the exception. Maybe Teacher Hawkins and I don't know if you're GONNA start him week one but I think at least second half the season you should be in a position to maybe you know feel like you can start him. Yeah I agree that's why I was like he's kind of behind the other two but kind of fits a category that might deserve its own tears so maybe maybe cook no joke who Hopkinson Hooper might have their own semi. I tear in front of the streamers the but to your point you're definitely not going out of your way for any of these people. No I think we always see the drop off and tight ends pretty quickly every year where you're like okay. I'm not really going on my way. We get the next best tight end because he's not doesn't why doesn't excite me. I'm just GonNa wait until the very end similar to what people do with quarterbacks in one quarterback leagues and I think this year that just starts even earlier and maybe it's partly is not having Gronk you're you you take gronk out a no players Jimmy Grammar no longer a factor Jordan Reed is now. We're completely writing him off. So the tight end position shallower Kyle Rudolph is another one who's lower who's kinda fallen own off the face of the Earth for fantasy and I think after after Kelsey urged kittle in maybe Howard you know I could maybe talk myself into take him in the sixth or seventh round but the fifth round is too early after that. I'm just like you know we're overpaying for. Some of these mediocre tight ends like Evan Ingram Hundred Henry Eric Hebron even jared cook in the seventh round jerk cooking the seventh rounds crazy. That's crazy town right crazy town. I mean again. I said the difference between six and thirteen it was like what ten points for the entire year and I guarantee at least fifty seventy five percent of those tight ends were just streamers basically for the most part so to your point is that that's going to wrap up our tight hide ends. We're going to be back four hour quarterbacks. Here's and we're going deep real deep south and I are big to Q._B.. Fans so <hes> we're going to be doing all thirty Q._B.'s.

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EP 80: Kardashian Bonus Show #24: A Kris Jenner Deep Dive

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EP 80: Kardashian Bonus Show #24: A Kris Jenner Deep Dive

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I guys I'm and I'm Julie and we're the girls behind comments by CELEBS and welcome to episode twenty four of our Crash Ian Bonus show so as you know we are in the off-season even as a athletes he'll say <hes> the next episode of the Kardashians September Fifteenth so we have about seven more episodes left or doing various deep dives random topics kind of anything that we think would be interesting or or that we find fascinating and want to share with you so last week we did Conway and it just seemed fitting that of course this week we had to do the matriarch of the entire family the woman who started at all Kris Jenner. Can you believe it took us twenty four episodes to do a Chris deep dive no almost. I don't know if I'm disappointed or just what the what the word is. I can't believe you let me do cottonseed. You've died before we did it. Kristie I know but here we are yeah. I'm excited about those better than ever so as always always I say like there's no way we have gotten everything. Julie did an excellent job. It's a really hefty outline. We listened to a large portion of her book which was excellent. I highly recommend listen. We don't have every single year but we're going to do our best. Are you ready. I'm so excited me too. Oh Wow I'm pumped. We found out some really like juicy. Shit the book. I can't wait to get into the book I know the also the other thing that's kind of interesting is that Chris Literally released like a book on her life and when you look Julia was saying when you look on the Internet that information in isn't so readily accessible you kind of have to read the book to get it. No it's impossible to find an I did a lot of research before I read the book and I figured that it would be the same. It's like some from like wikipedia some from the biography some from a couple of other sources and everything everything was wrong like the way she tells it in the book is like the specific details on the right time line and then everything online is like the right overarching storyline but with the details all wrong storyline the timeline so off so that was weird. It's like she laid it all out for us. Why couldn't somebody just put it on the Internet well? We did Kinda okay. We're going to do the same as always so chronologically restart from her life. It's going to be let me just say or not GonNa get too much into present day because we want to talk about this stuff that nobody he knows about like you guys know president we all do but we didn't know that beforehand so let's start. Let me take you back to November fifth nineteen fifty five in San Diego California that also makes Scorpio and that is when she came to the world world so she was born to Mary Jo Shannon known as M._J.. And her father Robert True Huffington again as you're hearing that you know true that's one of the reasons that Khloe name true true correct <hes> he was an engineer her father so when Chris was seven this is a nineteen sixty seven. Her parents got divorced and her sister Karen were raised by her mother and after the divorce their father was kind of involved in their lives for a little bit but eventually kind of fell out of touch and he came came back into her life when she was a teenager but then he died in a car accident when Chris was twenty so she did not really have that much of a relationship with her father one because he wasn't there and then to at the time when she could he passed away they had she describes it as like like once he came back into her life. It was like a friendship it was like because her she has a Stepdad that will get into that. She considers her dad and then once her like biological father came back into the picture. It was like it was her front like they were really close during that time and then he when he passed away unfortunately she took it really hard but it was just because she had just gotten to know him again exactly so her sister Karen who I briefly mentioned she's kind of under discuss in all this we first of all. I didn't even know she had a sister yeah <hes> they apparently don't have a close relationship chip and according to reports that we found Chris kind of tries to keep Karen out of the spotlight I guess because she disapproves of her lifestyle choices that are good way to put it what you say yeah <hes> Achie- apparently like has dated a lot of men that Chris disapproved of and it was like different drugs dogs and I don't know the full story there. There's a lot more to it that we're not like privy to but I think she just for the most part for her for Karen's privacy just like tries to keep possible but then I don't know if you remember this a couple of years ago Karen got a facelift left to like make herself look like Chris. Was that a thing you know it was like a thing. I don't remember that it was like it was like uh thing if you look at a picture for it's like she liked went from like oh you kind of look like Kris Jenner to like you look like you're trying to be Kris Jenner. Oh it's it's really interesting interesting so just a little background on Karen. She has a daughter names Natalie's Ital- and she's an aspiring model. She's about like forty three thousand followers on instagram and from what we discovered and again you know how it's kind of hard with following. Apparently Chris is the only member of the Kardashian family that follows her niece Natalie's apparently close with M._j.. But isn't really close to the rest of the family again. It's limited information but that's kind of what we gathered again. Not at any of this is groundbreaking but it's important to have kind of context yeah also this. It's just just interesting like imagine you're the clan of the card. Ashi ads your aspiring to be a model but you have no relationship with them to help like it's just so interesting. Kendall is literally your cousin. WHO's the top paid supermodel I know and you've up forty three thousand dollars on instagram? There's definitely more to the story that we don't know there has to be I would love to know it. This whole thing had has made me more fascinated by Kris Jenner than I ever thought was possible clarity thought it was at peak fascination and it try now. It's like when you get like these details now. It's like Oh my God i. I just want more so M._J.'s mother Kris Grandmother. Her name was Lou Ethel Wyatt and she owned a candle shop that Christie style bat she kind of was integral in helping M._j.. Therese Chris and Karen especially after their father kind of left and and Chris repeatedly in the book and interviews talks about how influential person her grandmother wasn't how big of an impact she had in her life which you'll just notice throughout this it's a very theme of like women empowerment and strong women in an and it was basically it's on a coincidence that she has turned into this role. No that's yeah it was almost you kind of born into it exactly so then a few years after Christmas parents got divorced she got remarried worried and she had met this guy named Harry Shannon and they were dating very on and off and he apparently had like a drinking issue and they were like in love and and he really wanted to be with our end she. I think think he proposed are the story is proposed to Jane. I'm Jay was like I'm not saying yes do you until you quit drinking and he quit drinking the next day and like they got married and Chris really like I was saying like Chris sites him as her father like in the a book when Crisis Writing My parents my dad Harry like that's her follow that was the person who is so instrumental in her life and she was saying that he stepped into that role and like became her and her sisters father and like showed her so much about like non biological parents being there which is obviously such a theme for these kids throughout the whole their whole lives like not even Chris's grandkids for his own kids. It's like such like an important part <hes> just a fun fact about Kris around this time when she after her parents divorced when she was eat she developed a cancerous bone tumor and the cancer didn't spread everything was fine. She went under surgery but it was kind of like when you think back on it I I wonder if in her life she sites that is I don't WanNa say trauma <hes> but there was a chance that if if it could be removed her leg was going to have to get amputated her parents had to sign a form before she went into surgery saying that if they found the cancer it's spread or I don't know exactly like the medical but if they had found something they had permission amputate her leg in the in that moment she went into that surgery expecting that there is a chance she was going to wake up without a leg. It's really intense stuff yeah and she was at a young age so she probably didn't fully understand still your eight you get it. It's like you're four. She was saying she discovered it because she had <unk> bumped her leg and then the next day she'd woke up and there was like literally a bump the size of a lemon on her leg and they were like the to not normal God so Chris now graduates high school. She graduated Clermont High School Nineteen seventy-three. She never went to college. She apparently was more interested in kind of becoming a wife in a mother. It was her goal like as as a young girl. That's what she wanted. She always wanted to be a homemaker and be a wife and be a mother and I think that it wasn't like she just fell into that role in certain ways she did but it wasn't like that wasn't wasn't something sheet aspire to write. She always wanted a big family. Also nineteen seventy-six was three years after she graduated high school. That's when she was a flight attendant for American Airlines. We're GONNA end a lot more in a little yes. We are okay. Let us now enter Rob Kardashian so Chris Robert for the first time in nineteen seventy two at the del Mar Racetrack. I'm so excited to talk about this whole healthy too. I know okay so they met at the del Mar Racetrack in California when she was seventeen and he was twenty eight okay so at this time she was dating this Professional Golfer and I believe they were engaged when she first met Robert or like sometime after she bought Roberts got engaged <hes> but she describes was meeting Robert and Robert came up her and was like you you look like a girl I used today like what's your name and she was like or like said her name and she was like that's that's not me and he was like well. What's what's your name and she was like Chris and she had no interest in amuses old like much older guy like who wouldn't leave for alone and he was there with his brother Tommy and he every everywhere Chris went throughout the race track? It was like Robert showed up and Roberts sites are like let me get your number so I'll I'll call you. I WanNa take you out and she like no. I'm not giving my number and she's like well at least home your last name like tell me where you live so Robert had his friend who works at like the phone company look up her number and get it for and the number that Robert had a call to ask her out was her boyfriend at the Times number because she was living at his house. I think it was her fiance. I think they were not one hundred. The timelines will also a little if even in the book it wasn't one hundred percent clear but the way that it was described her relationship with the sky that she was engaged. You're dating is that she kind of knew that it wasn't really going to work out like she was too young but I guess they got got intense kind of fast and that was one of the reasons aside from not being that interrupted initially it was also like she was seeing she was fully seeing someone which as we'll get into didn't stopper but leader robber like right after this happened Robert called her and was like I want I wanna take you out and she was like fine. Come to San Diego so he flew from L. A. to San Diego to take her out and literally picked her up at had her boyfriend's house took her to the movies imagine from allied to San Diego just to go to the movies I can't all and then that night she brought him back to her house. which was the boyfriend's house or the fiancee's house and he like caught them together <hes> but didn't catch them in bed? It was like she clocked. He like caught them just in the house together and they were like dress so I think she was able to play it off a little bit it yeah they didn't her and her boyfriend at the time or fiance whatever it is. They didn't break up over this like he he recognizes something was going on but it wasn't like she. He caught them in the act so they continued to they will after after he caught them but she he was like you know. Robert was like once you figure this out. Let me know because like I can't you know but they still spoke and they would still speak on the phone on and Chris was saying that Robert would call her even though she was with this other guy and be like I wanna take you out like what are you like w figured out something and he would say I'm GonNa come and I'm going to come to you out whatever and she would always come up with these ridiculous excuses. I think a theme throughout Chris's this is book slash life is that she was not great at lying because she the excuses she says in this book is like she would call Robert and be like my eye hurts like she would just come up with the dumbest things to like because she would panic and be like I can't see you on. I'm what somebody else and basically she was talking to Robert all the time. She was still at this guy she was traveling with him because he was a golfer and she just didn't know how to break things off with him. They were engaged like she just literally didn't know what to do and she caught him the cheating on her eventually and was like thank God this is my out and then immediately called Robert as soon as she had caught them yeah and at this time so just the back for a second like I said in the beginning her father passed away when she was twenty and she I met Robert Robert for the first time when she was seventeen so now three years have gone by them knowing or whatever they're kind of dating ish and she said like she found herself right after her father died that's when she was seeing Robert a little more and she found herself wishing that her father had gotten a chance to know him which to me. He is such a telling sign of the way you feel like to me. That's textbook. It's like the second you wish that your parents knew them or want. Your wants your parents to meet them. It changes things especially because her dad did know the other guy that she was with like a lot of time. Can I tell you the Kim you've that yeah I mean we always talk about when you go to the supermarket and like you look terrible you wearing nothing and you want to say to all the cashiers like I promise I can do better. I bet that's what she wanted to say to her. Dad Do better. I want you to meet Robert. Look at the difference. At least you had to mind like Robert was so much older and everybody was already like this big shot lawyer at the time like at like the way they were describing. It was like everyone in Beverly Hills wanted Robert Crash it. He was the most eligible bachelor at the time and she was like in his like line and she couldn't figure out how to be with him. It was kind of the way that I envisioned it. As I was reading and listening to the audiobook it was like he really only had is for her. At this time it's like he he was a lawyer. He knew he was a go getter and it was like this is what he wanted. He Chris and he was going to get anybody else. He didn't have to waste time waiting for this young girl to figure out her life and figure out who she wanted to be with he was just like I'm waiting for you to be done because you are like you're you're the one right so the first time after Chris's finally you know she catches the other guy in bed with another woman the whole thing now she can have her first proper date with Robert and she flies to L._A.. This time and he he picks up from the airport with none other than motherfucking O._J.. Simpson in the car and I think Chris wasn't really aware how close they were at the time because she was like what is like. This is the peak of O._J.'s football career. You have to remember this isn't like after the trial essentially this isn't right before like O._J.. was in his absolute peak here and here comes this Guy Picking Chris off from the Airport O._J.. Simpson is that's a baller booth it is and also you have to remember everything we've ever heard about O._J.. Like pre and even post is that he is so charismatic he so friendly. He's so warm like she said he was like the the most charming guy you could imagine the definition of larger than exactly so. She describes the after that initial time that you'd L._A.. She then flew to l. a. like the next every every like the next three weekends and the third week that they were together Robert Post are are you crazy like I can't accept a proposal after three weeks of dating and he was like so upset by the way she was describing it was that she had met met everybody in his life that first weekend that she can't visit him his parents friends everybody he will. He wanted to show her off and there's actually a story that before they even got together she had called her and said I just bought a house in Beverly Hills with my brother. I'm having in house wearing I want you to come and be my date that they weren't together at the time she was still at that other guy and she was in Europe but she said that she would be there instead she would fly home and she would come with him and she couldn't figure out how to leave Europe shoes with the guy in Europe he was doing golf thing and Robert Robert was crushed crushed that she didn't come home and so embarrassed because he had told everyone who's like. I have this gorgeous girl. She's coming as my date whatever she was so embarrassed. It's even crazier that not only do you like forgave her. It was like he couldn't get past like this was the ones as soon as he got her. He was like I'm not letting go. We proposed and she was like are you. Are you crazy like I can't marry after three weeks and he was so crushed but they kept eating and at that time was when she started working for American Airlines and he kind of sought as a slap in the face that she was like not only not accepting as proposal what kind of trying to figure out her her life outside of him number one that and number two being that it was a flight attendant she was never around so the distance was like very very very challenging. It was at the exact time that he was trying to make this more efficient and she not only gets a new job. Also then it's just flying across the country so once she got this job he broke up with her and that's when he was dating Priscilla Presley and it's so interesting the way she tells the story in the book it's like even when he was dating Priscilla Presley. They were talking so he would call her and tell her like all of these things about Priscilla like I don't know what to buy her for this gift or I don't know what to do for this event with her taking Priscilla here and she would tell him about being a flight attendant all of these things and thing she. She never says like an on this day like Robert broke up with Priscilla and we decided to be there. There was just like priscilla faded out. I guess they never never like marks. Official ended that relationship and I guess they just because they were talking so much they they made it. Work and Chris was living in New York that was her. She was based and she kept like applying to be put in for a transfer to go to live in L._A.. And they were like you're never gonNA get. It was like the top flight attendants inured it'd be placed in L._A.. Light and Robert would come to New York because he was there for so many different things and they made it work but she finally got transferred to L._A.. And it was the biggest thing because it was like okay. This is the blessing like this is the sign that like I can be with Robert and she was saying that even after she she got transferred to L._A.. She was just like how is this guy. Not proposed to me out like I'm living or finally in the same place like this is the guy that proposed after three weeks of data right and so they were this is when tell me if I'm wrong so I think I might they moved in together yeah right so they moving together like things are going well. He had proposed her a little while ago hasn't again and all the sudden seemingly out of nowhere Robert becomes basically a born again Christian will they started going to church together and I think it was like he he was like maybe on the cusp of becoming a boarding lake trying to get back into it and then once he was really in it he was like in it and that's when you want to say you know you love this. I just think it's crazy. He said to her. You know we're not married I. I don't think we can live together but they were already saying. They were already living together and he was like. I don't think that we can live together anymore. Like I don't think we can have sex and she she's like. Are you literally fucking kidding me. This is the guy that asked me to marry him three weeks after meeting like what is is going on and also imagine being in a relationship where you're living together having consistent sacks than all of a sudden. It's like okay by like not by you're still around but that's off the table now so and she did it. That's the thing she did it so you would have done it for Robert. Kardashian takes about to say what it in the same thing and also I think that like the distance kind of spices regard ash pulls up and his weight wools voice and he says we're not really having secretary. Now you say okay exactly so you know he whatever they she moves out. They still say together. I guess at some point he he proposes and they get married on July eighth nineteen seventy-eight when she was twenty to keep in mind that is a five years after they met for the first time at that racetrack so it's actually a relatively decent amount of time considering everything that happened taming and it's so interesting because she was telling the story about <hes> she went out with one of her friends and there were walking by jewelry store could have been van cleave. I don't I'm not a hard presenter. I think she said that and she like looked at this gathering. It was like Oh my God. That's my dream rang like that's that's what I want and when rob proposed to her he gave her a page cut out of like a magazine that she had gotten in Europe when she was traveling and was like I'm going to get you a dream ring like I will get the perfect ring and like I guess a couple of weeks later later he was like I have something for you and gave her the ring that she was looking at the window and she said she was like how do not get this ring and he's like what are you talking about. She's like this is the rain that I said I wanted. When I walked by the store one of my friends she was like no I had no idea no one told me he just I saw that ring and thought it'd be perfect for you and she was like that was the sign I needed? She was like if I didn't already know that was it because she thought like the rest of us thought that the friend that she was with would have said something like tipped him off like hey by the way that really didn't happen. He just intuitively new which let me tell you something no matter how great the guys the fact for them to intuitively know what kind of jewelry like like come on and that's a big deal. I don't know Oh my God so she has her bridal shower at Hotel Belair and they get married at the Westwood United Methodist Church she she describes it as like not an expense baird so the former florist of the Nixon White House did the flowers there section was at the bell our country club. She just said it was magical right. That's how she did. It would just like the perfect day exactly what you would expect a Kris Kris Jenner Robert kardashian wanting to be that's what it was. It was glamour that when I think of them and I think of this time of her life especially the way she described it which will get into the word consistently comes to my mind is just glamorous yeah when you think of them. They're like a nineteen seventies painting in Palm Springs so you know what I mean like that kind of picture they are so further honeymoon Robert took her to France and Italy and it was on their honeymoon when Chris got pregnant with Corny so let me take you through the timeline of all the kids burson. We'll get more into it. April Eighteenth Nineteen seventy-nine Courtney's born okay one year later October Kim as board Kim just fun fact was conceived when they were in Aspen June twenty-seventh Nineteen eighty-four four years later. That's when chloe was born. She was conceived in Italy and and March Seventeenth Nineteen eighty-seven was in rob born so there was a span of eight years when she had these four kids also she noted that the reason that's only the kids were conceived on vacations. Three of the four was because they had their best sex on vacations. She said that she was like we had amazing sex. Every time we traveled. I never understood that about like when people can like say exactly when they conceive their kids like if you're having such consistent sex. How do you know that one time in Italy's when you conceived yeah I I don't have always been confused about that like I know that you can make markdowns like the week or that like? How do you know like if you're I don't know that's an interesting thing but it's a better story so let's we're just going? You Know No. I'm totally on board so before we get into the next thing I just WanNa talk a little bit about the kids when they were growing up in this whole thing so she describes corny. She's like when Courtney was born. She's like I never thought that I loved Robert so much and I did but I didn't even know what Love was until I had corny. She's like I've never in my life loved anything like I loved fat baby and she said she was corny would go with US everywhere. She's like she'd be in the little on the little like bassinet. Everywhere we went through like she was the perfect baby and she was she made our life so full and then she says when Kim was born the for the first thing that she describes Kim as she was like Kim was the most beautiful child I have ever seen. She's like the second I saw her. I said she has the face of an angel yet and she she describes that right after she was born at like couldn't have been more than a couple of weeks that she walked downstairs and Robert was just staring at her and the bassinet and there were both like how is it possible to have a Darla this beautiful and the way they were saying in from the time she was conceived on this glamorous trip in Aspen she was she was like every aspect of how Kim came to be is just so oh fitting. It was like such a self-fulfilling prophecy. It was like Kim Kardashian was Kim Kardashian from the time they had sex and Aspen. Yes also important to note that she loved the name Corny but she really wanted it with a k. and that was a conscious decision so it wasn't like she just named Courtney with a k. and then had the rest of the case follow. It was very very conscious all of them. It's so interesting because she's talking about naming Courtney with a K. and chloe with a k. and she was like I never seen it before. No one had ever done it before in by mind. I never even thought it was veered. I'm like yeah because we're so used according to the Canco that I never thought about the fact that everyone's one spelled with a say. I think it's a weird when I see Khloe with the unnatural U._S.. Felt your name. It's embarrassing exactly so then she has Khloe and she says that Khloe when she was born. She's like from the second she was born. She just looked different than the rest of the family. She was blonde she was she didn't look as Armenian is the other two did and she said she looked like Roberts. Grandmother and summit like would saw like <hes> Roberts Grandmother Roberts mother maybe and like Chris's grandmother she looked like and so it was like like like everyone always says is when they're talking about Khloe at sexual so no one in the family they're like no. She looked like people in the family. She just didn't look like other siblings exactly and the way she described the girls before weren't like what they wore. She's like they would be in Babied your with their hair like it was exactly. Could you imagine the Kardashians growing up in. That's what they were dressed in. That's what they were not a hair out of place. Everyone had a bone their head like it was and I said to Julie I was listening to her audiobook and reading this. I always thought my Mama so similar to Chris not only the way she looks. Oh I couldn't believe it. I felt like I was listening to my mom. In so many ways like it was just crazy so three years later that's when rob was born and they had wanted a boy so badly so they said we're gonNA try again and we're not gonNA know until until it comes out they didn't want to know how to time and they said Ed or praying for a boy but like whatever it is we're gonNA love it and they're in the delivery room and the doctor says her like I just WanNa let you know I think it's going to be a girl like I'm not sure but I think it's going to be a girl and she's like he's like I don't want you to be disappointed. When I take the kid out and it's and it's garlic? I don't want you to start crying so she's like we prepared for the worst. Basically right and baby's name was going to be Kelly. If it was a girl interesting fact yeah they always knew that it was gonNA be Robert Arthur if it was a boy and it comes out and Savoy and she says that Roberts family was so over the moon because of how badly they wanted a male to continue the generation the legacy she's like my mother-in-law brought me this brute the what he wrote this core. Just gorgeous broach had been in the family for years. I think I think she said it was like diamond in emerald she was like I said she's like I was thinking what about when I come three other kids. She's like it didn't matter it was like the birth of this boy was the most. I don't even know like magnificent occurrence. That could have happened in this family. It was like a miracle. It was a miracle they still funny. I was saying to you as we're listening to talk about each of these kids. It was like we wanted to be courtney. It was conceived then we decided we wanted another then. We can see Kim right away. One another Khloe wanted a boy Robert like it was like hardy just do that. Only Kris Jenner could be like I want these kids. I don't want them in this specific way and I want them at this specific time and it just works out for her issue just like talk to God and he was again going it was it was maybe something pretty a pretty good one day. Talk about fertile as fuck all motherfuckers furred all of them I mean Khloe Khloe experiencing infertility with Lamar which now later in my belief that was divine intervention was the or divine intervention. She wasn't taking her fertility because you don't WanNa have a baby with but I also think that like there was a reason. She still could have gotten pregnant even if she wasn't. I'm saying that she ever had any sort of fertility. Issues was an outlier for this family. Oh yeah I mean literally. I cannot believe how fertile Kris tschetter it's unbelievable. She should be the face of fertility yeah yeah. She could have been twenty kids accounting if she wanted to kate who so remember they get married in nineteen seventy. I'm taking you now to nineteen eighty nine. This was when you say I because we we skipped over. It's not important but the whole O._J.. Nicole friendship there's a lot to what you're right. Sorry guys will compliment. This is importing. Somebody's like I'm like. What did you feel too much detail about O._J.? So O._J. was obviously Roberts friend from before he even knew presser before he had met Chris but he <hes> Chris Chris's talking about how Nicole came to the how Hugh O.. J. Was still married at the time and Nicole was so young but so beautiful like the most beautiful woman like anybody at ever seen like her. Beauty was just like beyond and Chris didn't expect that she was going to have anything in common and with Nicole and they started going on vacations together and doing all these things in Nicole became her best friend and it was just so interesting listening to Chris talk about it from her perspective of Nicole and O._J.. Because she was saying how much O._J.. Loved her and like couldn't believe leave he was with this gorgeous girl and they got married and they had to kids and in nineteen seventy six. She talks about this trip where she went to New York for the Olympics with <hes>. I don't know it was a New York. She wants in nineteen seventy six Olympics with a robber O._J.. And Nicole Because O._J.. was announcing that was the Olympics that Caitlyn had won the decathlon Scou- is like the it was just like the craziest thing she was like and everyone is like at the time Bruce Bruce Jenner one and she was a coup is Bruce Jenner. She never heard the name before just so interesting. It was such a foreshadowing moment but you know she continues to describe this relationship in the Colino Jane how they were always together and kind of the time that she was a little if you on her marriage with Robert was when Nicole was also going through things with O._J.. And she was saying that like Nicole would start to tell her about O._J.. Getting physical with her that something was often these cheating and and Chris wasn't sure what she was saying and she was kind of using her own implications but was kind of ignoring it because she like her and O._J.. We're so close obviously that it was like well. O._J.'s it's such a good guy and she tells us one story that she was with <hes> she was with Nicole and she looks outside and Nicole coal walks in and there's this gorgeous wait parked outside just a coal. What's that and she's like Yeah O.? J. O. J. Like it's my apology gift from whoever O._J.. Slept with this week and it's just so interesting like the whole friendship and she she said at one point that O._J.. beat the shit out of Nicole like that was when they had the pictures that surfaced during the trial O._J.. beat the shit out of her and that was what Nicole finally was like this enough. I can't do this anymore. Yeah just to take you back for a couple. Things and I want to say what you said number one the thing the the time that Jerusalem with a Ferrari. She says that when Nicole walks in she's like I was so focused on the Ferrari and how beautiful it was that I completely ignored the emotional distress that was caused by the reason for it happening in the first place. She's like and you know yeah. Nicole never said that he that I'm being abused. She's like she never used those words but this is she was like but I should have known she's like into this day. That is my biggest regret in life that I never ask more questions that I didn't ask the right right questions that I wasn't as in tune with you. You see this all the time with friends of women who are being abused that they get this overriding guilt and she talked a lot about that and she cited this one trip that he just think is really important for context they were. I forget where they they were going. I'm going to say Aspen but it probably wasn't and it was for Christmas birthday and you know they get back to hotel and they're going out for night the for them. It's her Robert O._J.. Nicole and they're about to go out for the night of dancing and O._J.. Walks out of the hotel room ancestor Nicole is not coming <hes>. She has the flu she's like what do you mean. She is the flu like we were just hanging out and he's like she's not coming in and she's like Oh. That's ridiculous and she like tries to get past O._J.. To Open the door to see like to she needs Sudesh need what and he wouldn't let her get through and she's like I thought it was weird at the time but I didn't really think anything of it later. She came to find out that they had gotten into a huge fight that night. He had beat her up that night and this was all happening in. It wasn't like it was just happening in her orbit. It was literally happening in her proximity like right. They were on vacation together and in the room next next to them. Nicole is getting beat and Chris doesn't know or maybe on some level subconsciously new in turn a blind eye to a but it's really powerful when you hear her talk about it in the book. She cites this as a major. You know the huge regret. I don't think she'll ever get rid of that guilt. No Oh I don't think so either but it's it's so interesting hearing her account other people's account on the way O._J.. Nicole were together and the reason I oh Jane of course important to who you know this Chris plotline like the deep dive. Is that like it became Chris is I mean everything about Chris's future was kind of because of O._J.. Nicole Mos and people who knew O._J.. Nicole say that like when they were with other people they were so in love so it's like when you have somebody on what he had like seems like they're so in love and then it's like something off. It's maybe they're just going through. Something and I remember <hes> one of my very good friends. Dad's <hes> dressed Nicole like she. He styled her and he said he was like O._J.. Loved her. He was a guy never outta doubt about that O._J.. Would come in and man look gorgeous. She is have you ever seen somebody so oh beautiful in your life and you would buy or whatever she wanted and he would get these extravagant dresses and and he would show her off and be like look how gorgeous this woman is and from Chris's perspective of who she is new her what her marriage was like. We're she has Robert WHO's also showering her and gifts and shower and love. It's like how could anybody how could anything wrong in that relationship which is just you know obviously a bigger statement about domestic abuse in general that it's member yeah exactly that it's never would it looks like one material at all these things than what it looks like to the outside is so rarely what it really is on the anything. This was a good lesson for everyone. Everyone especially you know for Chris obviously to realize that that was clearly not what was happening. Let's remember like it wasn't two thousand nineteen like when things went on at home it was no one else's business like mine your own business out of their personal life yeah and Chris. She said <hes> Chris says at the the first time she met Nicole. Nicole walked. She's like she was this tall fit tan blonde girl she's like <hes> she described her as the epitome of a perfect Kelly girl. She's like she was at one of those beautiful women I've ever seen in. I knew in that moment we were going to be lifelong. Friends like they had an instant connection and she talks about after they both had their kids and they got their boobs together and like all these things occasionally. They're all four of them. It was like it wasn't like they were just the wives of these husbands that were friends they became best friends which I know we all know Abbott hearing it from her perspective a really showed us how intense that friendship and she talks about our friendship with O._J.. Where Chris O._J.? Was a brother to me she was like O._J.. Was Everywhere do was in my house all the time. I went to O._J.'s all the time. It was like it so crazy looking back on it I mean I'm sure sure that she sure she thinks about it to this day still about like that that time period though she must we're going to get into that I think now now's the transition okay. I'm taking now to nineteen eighty-nine. This is the year when Chris had the infamous affair with the soccer for player Todd Waterman at the time he was twenty three and she was thirty four. The way that they met was that well let me backtrack for a second in just say Kim hearn Robert had a fairytale relationship on every level they really did. They were madly in love. She knows they they couldn't have been happier and she says that as the years went on something inside of her just change and she says I don't understand like I had the perfect. I had the perfect kids. I had the beautiful home. I had anything that money could buy. He loved me. He was faithful and for some reason I just I wasn't feeling it something like clicked in her. It was a very weird thing she was having this. Almost insatiable need to just feel excitement in love and she's like when I was with Robert I loved. Him so much but it was like he was my friend. It was like he was my best friend and I missed the passion well. That's the thing is that she got married. So young that she missed out she didn't have these like the her twenties and she now in our thirties and your thirties like as a woman is when you read your sexual height like that's like you're twenty. s like guys have there's in their twenties. Whatever girls when you're in your thirties? That's when it starts and what have you just can't wait like how can keep going <hes> so she she missed out on this huge part for life so now she's thirty years old. Four kids has a full life and it's like I. She's like I just felt unfulfilled. She was like there's this part of me that just like she was like I wasn't happy. I woke up everyday like literally crying thing and miserable and she was like it was so frustrating 'cause I couldn't figure out why and not only because you figure out why should I couldn't even talk to anybody about it because what the fuck was is supposed to say she's like. I sounded ridiculous. She was again. I'm so as I just perfect life but I'm sad like I just want to have sex like it. It's ridiculous and so okay so she describes that she would always go one of her friends always had these parties and she would always go and there was always a sky there this todd Wasserman and they never really interacted. She's like because I was married and I always gave she's like when you're married. You give off this vibe if like I married I'm I'm unavailable kind of don't look at me and she said this one night that she went to the party. I guess she's like I guess I was not giving off that by clearly because she was so sexually frustrated and so wanted to be just like touched and they're talking. They're hanging out. They're getting flirtatious and the friend who had the party Chris. Can you run upstairs to get the music player by the way music player and she's like. I knew the house so well so of course I went up and he followed me and she's like we get to the top of the stairs. We get into the room and he kisses me. She's like an I have not been in kiss like that. In years. She's I forgot what it was like to be kissed that passionately and this is the start of the infamous affair or what's also should be noted is that it didn't come out of nowhere that her marriage urge with Robert was kind of unraveling she had asked him for a separation and she had finally said to him like there's something off in a need to figure it out and I need space field to figure out and he said to her like I'm aren't we Armenian. We do not get separated either got divorced or we stay married and that's it and she was like please. I am begging you like I just need to figure something out there something off with me that I need to figure out I need a separation. I need a break and he said he finally gave and it was like I'm going to go to palm springs and she says that he laughed and then two who are three days later. He came back and I'm I'm not doing this. We're not doing the separation thing and she said she goes. I honestly believe if he had just given me my space. During that time I would have sat out of it. She was like but then I felt so suffocated and so controlled that she she needed to break out of it yeah so she starts you know she sleeps with this guy and then she starts really sleeping with him in and I and I quote she goes <hes> she describes there at least him as being very sexual and she says while crazy sex all the time we had sex and cars sex on the tennis court sex in the Pool House sex in the garage. When we got home sex up and down the stairs sex everywhere all the time todd was quoted as saying we did some crazy things I remember playing tennis at her home with my friend and Robert was watching US play where in the affair now and I'm sure he suspected at this point Chris also describes the fact that they always she's like I always had tennis instructors the House and Gardeners and this and that so she's he would be at the house when Robert was home and it was never thing because he was just oh a guy that playing tennis with no one ever it was never thing until the shit hit the fan which I'm about to get into the other thing that's crazy is that todd describes describes <hes> like being close with chloe keen he was like I really special relationship with close? She was the youngest she obviously didn't understand anything that was going on shows like we would. She was like he was like me and Chris will go for drives and chloe would sit in the backseat and she was so funny and so cute like like even once <hes> this is this is crazy once they had gotten divorced Robert and Chris and she was with Todd Todd said that he remembers Khloe saying the other girls like why you don't like todd you don't like I don't like he's so much fun to be with yeah. Oh my God thing about now present decor gamble it totally different which is interesting to see the dynamic thinking about present day close. You've never said that we went over like Oh. It's okay are within like I really liked that guy. She only knew he was six at the time but so oh my God it's so interesting. It's also interesting. He was a soccer player and at the time they didn't really make that much money so he recounted his like she paid for everything for him and I just thought that that was kind of a fascinating role-reversal because in her relationship nations with Robert Robert paid for everything to the point which I will get into she really she had never paid a bill in her life. She didn't know how much anything costs. It was one hundred percent on his credit cards. He did every bill and then she's with this guy and she's like the quote Sugar Mama and the sugar wrong. She's using Roberts money to pay for him right. It was like a what's what's the word like a <hes> domino affect us yeah so I guess Robert had some sort of a suspicion and he hired a private investigator to follow them and falls into the restaurant in Beverly Hills and they're having lunch in the same booth together and Robert Walks in on them he leaves. She follows him they. Have you know they get back to the house. They've a massive fight at the house and it was like Ground Br. I mean this was Holy Shit. She never thought she was going to get caught. I mean the other thing is is the way she describes it. At the time is that this affair was so passionate but they spent every second of every every moment they could so like I said would though with the previous lie when she was making excuses to see Robert now that she's making Susie todd she's coming up these crazy Susan. She thinks her girlfriends and she's saying are going to get my car wash like I'm going for an hour to go this and everyone knew she. There was something going on because the like she literally we such as one of my girlfriend's literally looked at me and said. How many times can you get your car wash so Robert obviously suspected something because it was just where're you going and when he finally caught them he was like so? This is who you're spending all your time with and she says he caught them three the other times. Yeah you know what's interesting is that he didn't file for divorce after the first time like he really thought that they could work through it and she did too. She said every single time she's like every single time. I said this was going to be the last time she's like but it's like when you're addicted to smoking cigarettes. It's nevertheless for the last cigarette unless you get help and she's like I was unwilling to get help because I was having too much fun. This is the epitome of when we always talk about like sex. Sometimes just takes over and that's exactly it was happening. I'm not saying she didn't like his company. They got along well but it was like the sexual awakening that she was feeling that I think thinks she was she became addicted to in Analii so so after catching them multiple times Robert filed for divorce in nineteen ninety one and when Chris Talks about telling the kids she said they just cried and cried and cried and Courtney was eleven Kim was ten Khloe Louis was six and Robert was to she still says that this was. I don't know if I don't know she said of the biggest regret of her life but the the thing that she feels the most guilty about in her entire life like that. She ripped her family part that she she did this to her kids. Those were the words that she used yeah well. I think that if she never had Kendall and Kylie that this would have been like unfathomable for her because she knows she was like I literally wrecked a marriage and my family because I was bored she was like I was so selfish. I was so young didn't know what I was doing and like this just awakening he took over and by the time I realized what I was doing. It was just too late. She was like I destroyed everything. She was like a cricket. She just destroyed everything in her path. Yeah also <hes> at the time so they're going through divorce all this stuff just to really add onto it M._j.. She gets a call that her mom is six her mom had already had already battled breast cancer and she was diagnosed with colon cancer so Chris going through this divorce and she has to go to San Diego like see her mom and she says that you know she went with Todd and they get there and todd like what you want me to do and she's like. Can you just wait in the car. She's like and I remember being in the hospital room with my mom being like what what the fuck is wrong with me. Here's my mom fighting for her. Life and I had this boy she used the word boy this boy waiting in the car for me like I the only word that kind of comes to mind to describe this period of her life was she was not grounded. She was just floating didn't have her roots anywhere she was really having a Midlife of crisis but at thirty and the other thing that she was saying as she was so depressed during this time because as you just assured her marriage her mom was sick and she was just like going with the motions like she didn't feel anything she wasn't present. She would didn't know what was going on like I had these four kids to take care of and I just like didn't even know why was anymore now my mom sec and she describes being in the hospital with their mom. She's like my mom didn't not raise me to be like she's like my mom is a pillar of strength my momma sitting here fighting for life and doing it so gracefully and here I am destroying my own for absolutely no reason she's like. I have to get it together yeah. She said she's like I couldn't even feed my kids. She's like every little activity every motherhood activity that I used to use to be my greatest joined life was painful. She's like feeding them. Breakfast was miserable to me. I was going through the motions. It would just a really intense time so anyway she still with tied and she kind of thought you know this fairytale thing and she's very quickly started to realize he was so young it this. This was not what she thought it was and one one night she's like calling him. Call Him. He's not answering so she decides fucking. I'm going to go to his apartment. She goes his of harm at twelve o'clock midnight and there's a car they're interesting. It's kind of weird maybe just a friend and she uses the key that she had she opens the door and she finds him in bed with another woman and he both crying. Please please please. She's nothing shuffling. Whatever I think that was a really hard realization to her when she was like okay? 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It's really preferred to always refer to the person by their chosen name so we will throughout the entirety this episode be referring to Kaitlin as Caitlyn even if it was you know events in the eighties whenever it was just for clarity purposes okay so so a little bit of background she was born on Tober twenty-eighth nineteen forty nine in Mount Kisco she achieved world fame competing in the men's decathlon and winning gold and setting a world record. You know all this stuff I mean she was an icon in the athletic world absolutely a little background. She's been married three times. I two Christie Scott then Linda Thompson <hes> and then of course Chris what's really interesting. Sorry because I know we're trying to don't time sake but with so interesting as that Linda Thompson dated Elvis from nineteen seventy five to nine hundred seventy six elvis and Priscilla had gotten divorced in nineteen seventy-three but I mean Linda dated Elvis. I'm sorry that was when Robert Dated Priscilla was from nineteen seventy five to nineteen seventy six and Linda dated Elvis from from Nineteen seventy-two to nineteen seventy six. This is talk about everybody being so connected in this always comes up in the word of courtesy but I think also just in Hollywood in general it's like you. Everybody is so goddamn connected. It's unbelievable. This is where the start of the whole like Jenner Kardashian Sri traces back and fun fact we found out just random brody Jenner's real name is actually Sam brody generators middle name creasing random but I just had no idea okay so in nineteen ninety Chris Kayla were set up on a blind date and Christmas kind of reluctant I because she didn't really know who Caitlin was and she said that like once they went out she was immediately drawn to Kaitlin because of these old fashioned tendencies and she cites the fact that they went out to eat and she ordered caitlyn ordered <hes> mashed potatoes and MEATLOAF. I think which was such a meat and potatoes type type of night like it was I. I don't know if this sounds so weird. I totally be off to me. It was almost like paternal and away now that she was looking for a father figure figure. That's not what I mean. Dad Orders Mashed potatoes and MEATLOAF national show Rhino so they got married only five months after meeting which interesting just because if you look at you know her kids lives Khloe like a lot of them. It's is quick quick and Caitlyn had described her life in the time before she met Chris saying that and I quote in one thousand nine hundred you would've found me living in a one bedroom Los Angeles bungalow my sink pile tie with dirty dishes and my living room decorated with the dried out Christmas Christmas tree my main source of income from public speaking jobs which I always wore my best attire an out of style nineteen seventy-six Tuxedo I was drifting. I had worked really hard and didn't have much to show for it but everything turned around the day <unk> the day I met Chris. What I think is so like I have to use a better that interesting? I don't know another word have been struggling this entire episode. I know he say too much. I'm sorry it really is interesting in other words just when we're talking them sorry but anyway what I found was so fascinating about this was that Caitlin was the exact opposite of Robert Kardashian the way the Caitlyn just described herself in that paragraph is the opposite of Robert Robert shows up every day in a different color wrote Rolls Royce the she describes Oh my God when she describes the way Roberts rest it was like Robert showed up with slacks and a sport check into different pair of Gucci loafers everyday and Robert with a gorgeous watch on dress the nines and like it was so opposite with Caitlin in this situation when she was with Robert it was kind of like she was going into his world of high class and elegance and Glamour and in this situation Caitlin was stepping now into Chris's world but the thing that's also crazy is that Kaelin was no stranger to this world. Kaelin was an American hero. I mean from this time. It was a little little bit after the Olympics so that's why you know her career. At kind of declined and people kinda like think about Kayla on the front of the wheaties Box Keelan was the pinnacle of of American like heroism at that time and it's not like you know Chris was bringing in this person who had was off the streets just showing them high-society. It was like this is somebody who was already kind of in the mix. It just wasn't in it in the same way that Robert was exactly so after they got married married that's when Chris started to manage caitlyn's career and a lot of that was booking her four motivational speaking which as we know once we started to Washington keeping up later season that's where a large portion of Caitlyn's income came from also Krizan Caitlyn did these like infomercials together called Super Fit with Bruce and Kris Jenner that was the name of it and apparently it was like they sold more than four hundred and fifty million dollars a fitness related products by the late nineteen nineties like it was a hit this gave me like Lisa Renna Vibes. Yeah I know <hes> so january-to-october of Nineteen ninety-five which was <hes> five years after they got married. That was the O._J.. Simpson trial we're obviously not getting into the details you know about it. We've done a bone. It's episode on it but just that was a major time in her life and was five years after they had been married so that same year November was when Kendall was born and again you know candles middle name is Nicole as a way to honor Nicole would just pass away. I don't think I realized that they waited so long after they got married to have kids I you wonder why that is five years yeah because I mean knowing knowing Chris Fertile anytime. I know I think it was. Maybe an you could totally Tom Wrong. It could have been from a financial perspective not that they didn't have the money because now she he's getting an allowance and she was getting alimony but he you know she was really just starting to build up caitlyn's financial portfolio. I guess from a business protective so maybe I know I just I think in my mind I was like they got married and they immediately had kids and it's so wasn't the case so nineteen ninety-five Kendall's born nineteen ninety-seven Kylie's born Chris sites the fact of she said having Kendall and Kylie is the only thing that kind of has made me route my head around the whole affair and everything that happened to my marriage with Robert because clearly there was like a bigger purpose 'cause. She's like if I didn't have them I I I don't know I don't know if I would have been able to forgive myself right so we didn't want to get too much into their marriage because we saw it all play out. I mean we saw Jalen was the. <hes> kilns taking such good care of kids that weren't even biologically hers like we saw it all play out during keeping crashing kind of the same as what you saw just a little bit earlier no and we'll we'll get into the transition and all that and how that affected their marriage but I wanNA take you to two thousand six and that was the inception of keeping up the guard actions so Chris met with Ryan seacrest about just casually about creating a reality show about her family and I quote everybody thinks that my children could create a bunch of drama on their lives but it's something that I felt I didn't even have to think about it would be so natural so Ryan had his own production company Ryan seacrest productions and he was like let's develop the idea so he loosely based off the Osbournes kind of in terms of format so he was like okay. Let's do Vitesse so he brought a camera crew to one of their Sunday barbecues and he shared the footage with e the show was picked up and it was sacked produced by Ryan seacrest productions and but a murray productions so I thought this was like kind of crazy the announcement spent for keeping up the Kardashians came one week after Nicollin parrots announced the end of the simple life which talk about reality T._v.. Like heroism the passing of the torch will it's also. I wonder if you know obviously symbol ended because Nicole in Paris foreign aren't friends anymore and that season four of the symbol of I don't remember all the previous three seasons. Were them doing everything together. They went to the houses the Ford season they went to the houses and they went separately. It didn't work so they the show ended. I just wonder if they had had stayed friend in the show was a hidden season for would Kardashians of you'd been made e b in the search for another show like this or what did they have been fine because they already have glamorous people living a life. That's the thing it's like Patterson. Cold Walk so Kris Jenner could run seriously in Paris literally walked so so Kim good ride literally early yeah so keeping up the Kardashians premiers October fourteenth two thousand seven Julia rates in parentheses. How's that not a national holiday? Kids in Calabasas should get the day off from school. They honestly should i. How is that not calabasas like? I'm not saying that it wasn't well <music> known but it really fucking me on the gods map yeah so the series was renewed for a second season just one month after its premier due to high ratings fucking obviously literally fucking where we seventeen seasons later sixteen yeah going on seventeen or maybe yes sixteen. It's unbelievable. I don't know if we're GONNA midseason breaker for starting a new season. We'll find out shortly anyway. You know so now they really start to take off as you guys know. Chris is monitor so she managed starting from the beginning. She's always managed all her kids career so she gets ten percent of each. She managed Caitlyn's Kerr when they were married. She opened smooch. which was the children's clothing store in two thousand four with Courtney? It was in the same shopping's that I know you remember this. If you wash there earlier as dash which member dash was like the biggest thing smooch smooch closed in two thousand nine and dash opened two thousand six and then as of April two thousand eighteen all the dash doors were closed so it was about. I don't know ten to fourteen year run between the two two of those stores from start to finish shh. It's just looking at Christmas career now. It was really you know listening to her talk about Robert after the divorce when she realizes that she has no money because she doesn't even know how to pay the bills and she says she's like I said to myself. I'm never letting myself end up in that position again she. She says she's like I had a card for this and I._D.. Card for that and I didn't pay the bills and I didn't realize how much spending she's like. I knew nothing and in this her relationship with Kaelin was obviously so different she went from this marriage with Robert where you know everything she you did was and not necessarily in a bad which is everything she did was controlled. She didn't have say over. You know what happened. It just happened and she didn't want to have a say at the time she didn't guys and then after everything kind of felt like I am never putting myself in a situation where if something goes wrong I'm not control and you see that in her marriage Caitlyn it was it was a complete you know one eighty from what it was with Robert with Kaelin was Chris was in charge. It was the Kris Jenner show throughout the whole time and I remember people are brought to my dad and it'd be like Oh my God. She is so controlling over him he can't do anything she can't do. Anything and it's just so the contrast between the two is so telling of who Chris's now it really is. I mean when she filed for divorce from Robert. She couldn't pay the ten thousand dollar lawyer retainer. Her friend had to loan her the money. Also imagine did having a retainer for Laura. That's only ten thousand dollars nowadays like why or get it. I don't WanNa everyone's getting divorced. The eighties cakewalk so in two thousand eleven Chris Released her book Kris Jenner Kris Jenner and all things Kardashian and in July two thousand thirteen this when she had her daytime talk show called Chris it was given a six week trial run it wasn't extended the only real iconic thing that came off of that was that Connie went on and showed the first picture of north which at the time it was honestly generous move of his because that show was plummeting. It's surprising you would thanks Kris. Jenner talk show would be so successful but soon as it just doesn't work yeah the Tudor necessarily translate I think they had it be done. Maybe now it could have but it's a lot of oversaturation at the time and no one I mean also everyone wants to watch Chris in the role as mother. No one wants to watch it on the roles interviewing somebody exactly <hes> just in terms of her other business centers in October two thousand fourteen. She released coke book entitled Kitchen With Chris. A collection of crashing Jenner family favorites of course collection is with the cages and also like I it just laugh about the box lemon cake. It's like what you right in your recipe book of by box of Lemon cake and make it in the instructions the way it says on the back I mean that's like talk about push like we need corny to tell us that like drinking. Water is healthy. Wow fucking revolutionary. I don't even know what you're Oh yeah just like shit on like literally get a life Emma fucking computer. Get on get your ship together. If you listen you know the Jewish a loyal follower okay let's get to Chris and caitlyn divorce because that was super traumatic for all parties involved so take literally for myself for all of us <hes> so October two thousand thirteen they announced their separation and it was kind of you know they were still together but they were living separately for the sake of their marriage. It was kind of confusing the lines where a little bit blurred and April two thousand fourteen Chris Instagram to picture for her anniversary with Caitlin and she wrote happy anniversary to one of the most amazing man. I Know I love you. Wow Twenty three years Hashtag love Hashtag. We are officially vintage. Do you remember where you are when you saw that instagram because I'm GonNa do where they were definitely not ought like together together at this time but they also this is when they also went to Thailand and it was really unclear. What the state of their religion what's they warren living together? I believe they were fully separated not in a romantic relationship but they were still hanging out and being with the kids yeah and this was that was an April okay. The Thailand trip and the Thailand trip and her instagram both happened in April. It was in December of two thousand fourteen when they officially divorced so it was only a couple months after so I can only imagine what was happening in that interim well. If you remember you're Ceylan was growing her hair and and people started noticing like it was on magazine covers everywhere and everyone was like the destroy realized so weird why are people making this up like killing just growing her hair out and then it was like Oh there's more here there's there's a lot more here. Get a little domino April two thousand fifteen exactly one year after the infamous instagram post caitlyn comes out is transgender she did so in the twenty twenty special with Diane Sawyer and in it she says Chris is a really good woman and I love her to death. The love and acceptance I've gone from Chris's absolutely overwhelming June of that year is when Caitlyn introduces herself on the cover vanity fair and in discussing her split with Chris she says and I quote I think in a lot of ways she became less tolerant of me then I'd get upset and the whole relationship Kinda fizzled and the reason behind their divorce was quote twenty percent gender and eighty percent the way. I was treated if there was anything that I wish there were cameras in it. Was this like the heat of I know. I know we saw it on keeping up. We didn't see we didn't really see it and for their sake. I'm happy that we didn't but I am have so many questions. I mean what essentially happened with them is Chris Looking back on the relationship says like killing was like miserable like no one saw really begin with just so there's clearly hiding something and shoot like on edge all the time and and Chris says like she said it was married to me but it wasn't who we wanted to be married to and he was too so miserable because of that and you know Chris you know Caitlyn says it was twenty percent gender eighty percent the way she was treated but I think that had a lot to do with the way that Caitlyn you know was expressing herself the time and and the way she was acting towards Chris that there was so much resentment between the two of them that it was it was it was never doesn't work but a lot of that was you know Caitlyn's gender identity identity because that's where a lot of Caitlyn's frustrations came from yeah and I mean if you remember when they talked about this like Kim Kim and Courtney site the fact of growing growing up and seeing Caitlyn and addresses and they would walk into Chris's closet and they would see Caitlyn dress up and they they knew they didn't really know it didn't happen frequently they call them. They caught her one or two times and exactly and Chris describes her divorce from Caitlyn as quote the most passive aggressive the thing I've ever experienced listen. We you know this was when they were really in the spotlight. This was they were just as famous than as they are now and it was it was a traumatic experience like I said for every single person involved for the kids for I think I think also just inter sibling wise because at the end of the day was in Kim and Chloe and coordination when rob were close with Caitlyn but it was Kylie Kendall's father like it's so there's that dynamic there was just a lot going on and it was messy and it was rough and it wasn't until hill I would say relatively recently. I'm not even saying they're on their on good terms now but it wasn't until recently where things are kind of calm yeah exactly where it wasn't like you know someone would say Caitlyn's name and I almost felt like Chris was she. Couldn't she couldn't even be in the same room as the the name you know yeah it was it was a really volatile time. Yeah and I'm proud of them. I think that they've really Chris Supportive of Caitlyn's relationship now and and vice versa and all that do you feel comfortable moving onto corey. I always feel comfortable. Moving onto corey okay so corey was born November tenth nineteen eighty. Julia rates Chris loves a good Scorpio that she does. You know what's funny as I always make fun of you literally every time we do the outlines on the one that brings but I love it. I think just like Osmosis <hes> this was in he was born in Atlanta. He's thirty and she is sixty three so there's a twenty five year age difference which like hey she's living. You know literally good for her. Let me just give you a little background about corey because I feel like everybody knows of him. He's in the orbit but nobody has any the fuck like he came from like what deal so he is very successful in his own right he was a road manager to Scooter Braun not really sure of his relationship with Connie because as you know at one time scooter managed Connie. I don't know of their dynamic. Obviously he's close with or close ish with Connie now <hes> he he is close with Justin Bieber. He cites him as his nephew. That's like how here I adjusted. They met August two thousand fourteen at Ricardo t she was now the C. C. C._E._o.. Of burberry at his fortieth birthday birthday party in a visa again the things I would do for footage of that night. What would you do anything anything? All League literally one day just woke up and core gambles on our lives and he's ever left since and listen. I'm happy she's thrilled. I couldn't be happier for them. I didn't I never felt that same source of frustration in that Khloe felt when they were at palm springs a couple of weeks ago and chloe was pissed the calling it was their horse you didn't why would you. Why would you feel that same source of frustration? I we take on a lot of vicarious three get that but you didn't have to physically basically walk into sprague's God down into the House. There's no you'd be like Corey is here. You'd be upset you gorgeous house. I've ever seen in Corey's saying I was watching like Oh. I love and course here. I love watching watching them interact. I could wash them every day. When Kylie bought her that Ferrari and Chris came out in her pajamas she's wearing no makeup Macoris right behind her like Oh my God or when they were on when <hes> Christmas at Ariana Grande as video shoot for what was it thinking and and she's in that like juicy tracksuit and he's like Whoa like you can't be wearing this? I love watching them so they seem happy. Although interesting on her pot on the podcast divorce socks Laura Wasser Chris said that it's unlikely that you will get married again not surprising to me. There's no point what's the point getting married at the media not having kids. There's no reason to have the joint finances yeah no. I think that <hes> I think Chris is done with that. <hes> I think so. It's a lot also like when you bad marriages that have failed. It's like to go through that again is is just especially at her age. Yeah so that's I mean we're present day now. She is on top of the world. She's monitor. She is the you know most glamorous woman I would say in our immediate orbits definitely the most glamorous woman to ever grace reality Saudi television in my opinion reality television as we know it I think interest- interesting is like her inner circle of friends because one thing that has been consistent throughout her entire life whether in the beginning of her relationship with Robert Throughout the tumultuous parts of their relationship her relationship with <hes> Caitlyn and the divorce in everything she's always maintained a very solid group of friends and I think it's we should just note a couple of them because they're you know they're inroad initiates number. One is see C._B._C. and we see her all the time on keeping up. That's actually Roberts cousin and she has always in close with C. C.. They were close even before her and Robert got seriously married and she says that C._C.. Her Relationship Assisi really like C._C.. Got A lot of shit for it from that side of the family for staying so close with Chris S. C.. C. Loved those kids so much of course I'm GonNa stay close with Chris because that's my into those kids and I never ever would want to not be a part of their lives exactly and they and they know that like they are. I mean you see them them facetime seeing caller for all all these different random things all the time when Kim in vogue video when she's getting ready for the Mecca and she calls C._C._D.. Show her Scott goes over to hang out with C. C. on his own like they all have a really special relationship with our yeah also Tommy Hilfiger they hearn core. You're always on their yacht. They're literally there last week yeah very good friends. If you saw when Chris at her closet tour she did it with with D.. I think also because wasn't de the creative director for Judy Lieber for a little while or something just became the creative director is only thing and that's kind of where that all started. I mean just from fashion. Perspective active also shield coker. She's a longtime friend. She was the one that Chris bought a facelift force her birthday present which like yeah why does that more people do that is. Are you gonNA lifts my birthday be honest because if you're is fucking get goes you know but it is crashing related. Is it Bowtie telling you just telling you that also Faye resnick which you obviously no. If you watch anything you see her. You also see her in real houses Beverly Hills. She's very close with Kyle Richards she was was you know. Faye was very close with Nicole Brown Simpson and when she was alive the three of them were kind of like a unit and Faye wrote a book about Nicole after she was murdered and it was kind of like the first major book to be written after the O._J.. Trial I'm actually surprised that Chris and Faye are still friends after this book because it didn't paint Nicole in the most positive light it was kind of like an attention grabbing thing and I don't know maybe kristen. It's yet that way or maybe they they worked. Pass it afterwards but it definitely <hes> it definitely wasn't the classiest move resnick to make interesting and of course you know then Kyle Richards and Kathy Hilton and Kim. She's Transall them and she's a million her. Her Circle is quintessential Beverly Hills kind of powerhouses and there's a lot but those were some of the key players and some of the big names that we know also let me just throw it a couple of fun. She has the Word Monitor trademark but she's not allowed to use it for any T._v.. or Web programming there's apparently N._d._A.'s as when I walk into her house that have to be signed and there's a frame sign. That apparently says what we say here what we see here. Let it stay here when we leave here. There's the stack the stack of N._D._A.'s and you I walk in your home. I want those were absolutely over his. I know just for no reason also so apparently that keeping up the kardashian whistle sound is her doorbell sound is this is Dan my gosh she thinks of everything. Let me tell you something you know we see them now and obviously there at this massive level of wealth even more than she was when she was married Robert and of course the she's always been in in that circle but now it's an a whole `nother level and we see this crashing gatherings and we see Mendis Planning and Jeff letham flowers and all this and we think wow that's glamour Chris was always glamour from the second. She was married to Robert even the fact that she had Nixon's former floors as her wedding. It's only escalated. It's not like she got this money and now she's extravagant. She has always had this desire to be a homemaker and an entertainer Anna. How this gracious beautiful home it just now she has the monetary means to really do it? Big and you also have to look at M._J.. M._J.. I'm Jay was like that to empty raise Chris to be this kind of glamorous woman and when she was growing up she describes that M._J.. Had this gorgeous nineteen fifties t-bird car that she would drive them around and with a convertible the top down I and and and she always had Chris dressed the exact same way. Chris describes dressing her own kids and and it's just the whole family line is just it just fell into place it just did. I'm listen. We we admire Kris Jenner at a level that yeah I think I am not that it's unique a lot of people do but we really have. It's more so than just being fans. It's really like a fascination and admiration and adoration almost just we're in awe of the life that she has built for herself and I think that she exemplifies a strengthen grace in so many ways listen again we didn't we didn't fill in everything that we would have been here for four hours if we did but definitely read her booker listen on audio. The woman who reads it is not herb. It sounds a lot laker and has the same kind of inflection. It's it's really excellent. I duNNo. I had so much fun doing the in this episode I I truly Kelly. I really WANNA do like a full Caitlyn. Deep dive also 'cause there's so much there. It's to it. I want to do all of them. Even I wanted them all doom on anyway guys we will see you tomorrow for a record episode of Have Heather McMahon.

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Hot Takes with the Fantasy Freaks

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56:56 min | 1 year ago

Hot Takes with the Fantasy Freaks

"Wasn't guys welcome into advanced <unk> podcast. This is your host for vague ir today. I'm privileged to be joined by not one but two great guests we have Vince or senior and Richard Connell the CO creators of the fantasy freaks were all be working as a as a contact creator for them has gone <unk>. Thanks for having US yeah not so as thinking again to some news considered definitely a lot of it since last week though about Julian Edelman Julian Adeline when had news of a broken thumb awfully. I don't really read much into it. I think he'll just be ready for campaign thing that you guys have to say on that or we get on that terms of redraft. I'm really not too worried about the injury. I mean it's his thumb yet sucks because obviously it's a thumb and he's receiver but you know it's going into. He'll he's going to be fine. He's played through injuries so many times. He's a very tough player. I personally love settlement. I would en- redraft draft. I'm all over it with the the vacated targets from Gronk you know just the worry of the offense like the the thing with the Patriots. Is You never really know what you're going to get year to year in terms of like their offensive game planning so. I like to kill Harry a lot but I yes. I have a feeling that adamant is in line for a career year yeah. I'm Kinda right there with you. The only thing this injury does houses give the Patriots a chance to evaluate the unproven talent they have sent behind element. <hes> report said that happened about four weeks ago and and <hes> what is it like six to eight weeks for something like this side imagine he'd be back for week. One <UNK> help fully ready to go so doesn't <unk> watch though yeah yeah likewise from <unk> much at all. I'll put any stock into this news. I think he'll be fine <unk> update. How about we move onto Derrick Henry he he was spotted on on crutches during times practice? Jay Brown also went down for them so do you see anything <hes> short term long term with the Derrick Kennedy and a J Brown news so with Henry I was kind of on the on the train unlike the hype train for him thinking okay what he did last year at the end of the year he showed flashes of greatness but at the same time you have to factor in he I didn't show flashes of greatness with opportunities for multiple years. I think a lot of it had to do with coaching. I think he's the type of running back where you have to get a minute groove. You have to feed him. You have to get enrolling. He's the type of guy by the second half the game rolls around. He's more effective than he is. In the first half <hes> personally for with Henry read the boot scares me I don't. I don't like running back in a boot camp. It's just that just worries me for the season in terms of health <hes> drafting him and redraft. I would still take a shot on him but it really really depends on. Who's there on the board when he's up? You know I mean it comes down to you have to weigh the risk so if there's someone else said like maybe I'm not as high on but he seems less risky as a guy in a walking boot throughout training camp is first year going in as the lead back. I'm probably going to lean towards the the safer pick. <hes> I made a joke on twitter saying that all the talk of his new massive workflow was too much for him. It was kind of teach cheek moment for me and I feel bad about it. I want to see the kids succeed <hes> given the two week timetable for his recovery towns like a gray one strain and pantries if they treat them properly happily throughout training camp he should be back there for the season star but like Vinci's been way too inconsistent for me in the past two seasons denied just. I don't know if I'm going to take a risk on early F which is A._D._p. Currently reflects but I mean he is. He's their fifth or sixth rounding. I'm desperate for running back. I might consider it yeah. If he then becomes a value then he just it makes sense because once you get into this rb to arrange. It's it's it's tough me. Running backs a very hard position fantasy football. It really is year. You mentioned that you'd be looking. I'm for value like Derrick Henry especially all a lot before the injury so I'm just GONNA do a couple of <unk> player Calms Jussie <unk> takeover Henry Career if you would so would you take devante Freeman over Henry Freeman going on one <unk> freemans going running back spot lower at point P P r according to pass Awesome A._D._p. One hundred billion million percent. I went off the freemen hype train last year but now this year for one more year. I think Freeman can be very productive. I think he's the best value in fantasy football this year redraft instinet for me. Ah I actually liked Josh Jacobs going after a bit better than Devante Freeman just because I see him stepping into workers roll though Alabama he was not the work word season three men timeshare buy thank he has the skill to take a lion share that carries as three down back without any serious prior injury concerns as their reason so when you take Josh Jacobs or Henry Jacobs firstly this this is tough for me because I'm not that big on Jacob's <hes> we had a week running back last coming into two thousand nineteen just because you know all the hype surrounding them now doesn't doesn't change the fact that it was a week less between the two. I think I'd take a flyer on Jacobs. 'cause I know what I know. What angry as our bow how <hes> let's go to Chris Carson BS Derrick Henry? There's a huge gap in their A._D._p. Right now yeah I'm taking I'm taking Henry there. That's definitely <hes> where I would go with Henry and where I I actually like Carson. I think he's a good football player but I'm just worried about his upside ride with penny behind him with the first round draft capital for Penny. I just feel like this year. They're going to kind of force it to penny a a little more because they have to kind of justify the first round pick on penny it would kind of be a waste and penny did flash a little bit but carson is a very solid running back Mike Perspective on Carson Pennies. I feel like Penny will get vacated touches of Mike. Mike Davis <hes> he'll get I nine point seven touches which is why he left even with a Chris Carson in fourteen games as the RB fourteen which <unk> means that I could see his upside out thing I think he could finish as like a top eighteen back which is still far ahead of what you're getting adding offer his draft fries. He's going to be twenty four and a half point P._B._R. <hes> nineteen spots after Derrick Henry so I I'd say that right now actress Carson's Evalu- because obviously the gap between Chris Carson Derrick Henry for me is not a huge one. I think that they're pretty close there. A think didn't possibly even backed back my rankings for happily P._B._R. So I think that Chris Carson right now is Stephan a value for where he's being drafted at yeah respect it with to my only concern is come. Fantasy playoff time is going to be the starter penny show enough to take over that role but outside of that I like I like Carson where he's at over angry. I fear Penny I fear Penny Behind Carson. Listen more than I do. Fear <unk> Dion Lewis Behind and Henry terms of pushing for snaps and touches yeah for sure I also think that <hes> with Rashad Penny right now honestly you could get them both their resolve any seven seventy eighth spot in A._D._p. And <hes> Carson's going at the fifty third spot severe penny believer go after penny but odd personally say that both of them actually are pretty good values as because there isn't really anyone else <unk> Opinion Chris Carson <unk> grade pass catcher so they may try to force auxiliary salary back to take up some touches but might nine point seven touches have to go somewhere and the coaching staff of the same scheme is still the same they're winning while they were wrought rushing so much right so I think that <hes> Carson and penny both have incredible <unk> upside for where they're being drafted at his basically was trying to say so. I think that both of them our values in this year's draft I I don't disagree agreeable. Let's move onto this. One just a quick update Michael Thomas <hes> five hundred became the highest paid wide receiver of all time time. Do you think that <hes> Michael Thomas's production warrants contract. I personally do just because I think that breeze in on the saints needed Michael Thomas More so than Michael Thomas need the saying sure breath helps calm the lead prospect that he is but without without him you have Ted Ginn and you have trayvon booed especially Trayvon wise unproven players that are more used as a deep threats rather than as isn't possession receiver said You'd think contracts warranted yeah. I mean with Michael Thomas. I mean statistically you look at it. He is one of the better receivers achievers in the N._F._L. Does it have a lot to do with the offense at he's in I would say yes <hes> also Buckeyes Fan. I love you Michael Thomas but at the same time in terms of money money. I don't really look at money too much because it's just the market value. He's a high end receiver. That's the cost aside him. His contract was ready to be up. You know renewed dude. Give Him a new contract. That's the money he got is. Can you say is he worth. The highest paid receiver in the history of the N._F._L. Probably not hot but at the same time it just is what it is. It's when he signed it so you know he deserves it. Yeah I'd much rather see the the guy in the league it's doing it with Tom. Savage's quarterback for a period of that contract I but it's just nature of the Business Hey Hopkins Hopkins. We'll get paid when he's up again. Yeah Hopkins Says Brad. There's absolutely woj came to be the record breaker. The first I record breaker anyway but the way the salary caps and these guys are just going to be making more and more out all about the timing. It's all about the timing when the contract's up the reflects the market value value. You know it's really it is so when Hopkins's up you know. I don't have the contract in front of me. Let's say <hes> two years three years disbelieve leave he'll be getting paid probably closer twenty five million or something like that yet hot and especially with the way the N._F._L.'s trending I mean it's just it's so much money in in the N._F._L. Just insane the owners just make a ridiculous amount the salary cap I would imagine would just continue to go up and up and up so let's move onto the aerobic. He was cut from the Lions and added added to the broncos and there was a pretty shocking cut from the lions. So what do you think about this for carry on because of concerns of carry-on were <unk> offer his workload and if he'd be the absolute workhorse there and if that I heard Lindsey our Royce freemen's value in any way okay so so in terms of theoretic getting cut from the lions that obviously is a boost to Kerryon Johnson carry on Johnson's upside was like Soli relied ride on the the <hes> the targets you know so you up his targets and all of a sudden the flashes that he showed last here. He's a very very sexy pick. He's a potential league winning pick redraft and he's a by him now if you can in dynasty dynasty because if not this time next year you're looking at a guy that's most likely at top fifteen startup traffic in. I wasn't even high on Kerryon Johnson Coming Auburn. I wasn't even high on him but a lot of it comes down to with running backs comes down to the situation and the situation he's in now. He's just in a phenomenal situation nation. He really is a team that wants to run the ball and then they get rid of the guy that was gonna take away the targets so I mean his P._R. upsides just phenomenal. You're looking at potential oblivion bell two point. Oh Yeah I'm not gonNA say I was shocked by them. Cutting Theo riddick I was a little surprised because they they kept pushing this running back by committee. They WANNA run a Detroit and honestly the only two running backs in Detroit worth anything right. Now are were while they were carry on and Rick <hes> I think this is going to align more with their offensive coordinator and we had a great article written by one of one of the guys on the penalty freaks talking about this <hes> the new oh see their likes to feed the League running back and I think them getting rid of Theo riddick Roy shows that and I think I think carry-on in for a Helluva season likewise I I love carry on now. <hes> wasn't a <unk> a huge fan and the four <unk> just because I saw him taking away some passing volumes but the other thing <hes> mentions it's like Matt. Patricia has historically since he comes from the Bow Jack Coaching trees strongly wanted a Ryan back by committee <unk> legare blunt taking the majority the carries but after a blonde <hes> and they transitioning to carry on Johnson he clearly showed as the most talented back in the backfield the more talented ones in the N._F._L. Even though we consider the Rick Pass catching specialists view look at the metrics he's not a great pass. Catcher is ability to work after the catch is a lot lower than players like carry on Johnson so <unk> it could be seen as a step forward for the lines as well definitely a massive upgrade for carry on of moved him up in my rankings reflect that but how about filled Lindsay Roy streaming because this has it's been a situation than difficult to evaluate even before this and now you have one more piece in the puzzle here I mean it's frustrating strating as a guy who likes Lindsey. I actually like Royce a lot too. I think Royce is very good. I thought he was underrated. Coming out of Oregon actually it was pretty excited for him and then Lindsey pops up at a nowhere last year and it was just awesome he was just flat out awesome and it just it just sucks because is there are already talking about splitting the backfield trying to have a Nice Balance Royce and Lindsey and now they bring in Theo realistically we could be over thinking it and Theo's just like a depth guy used a little bit like booker was last year for them but at the same time when they're talking about the splits. It definitely hurts Lindsay because Lindsay you're you were relying on the P._R. Upside and they bring in a guy who can't run. I mean theoretically just not a good like twin the tackles running back. He's the guy that's it's GonNa get targets. He's GonNa come in. You know you can pass block. You know you can rely on him on third down. He's a third down running back. That just kills Lindsay's upside for me and I love Lindsey I <hes> I look at it like this. I I loved Royce Freeman coming out of college. <hes> VINCIT tally. I made a couple of moves foreign a form in some dynasties leagues I was in and I absolutely loathed Philip. Philip Lindsey for the working was taking away from him with that being I said I think Lindsay is a good back. <HES> will I'm concerned about is how recover the is Lindsay from his injury last year. Why would they make a move like this? When they have to <unk> I'll say two very good running backs? I won't say great but Lindsay and Freeman are both very running backs and they keep saying and Lindsay is going to be ready for week one but it doesn't really show me that he's going to be ready for the season if they're going out and picking up somebody like theoretic but again we could be looking too much into into it and he could just be a camp bobby. I think Lindsay's fine he's been practicing fully so should be fine with the hand in just a hand so you hope it's he'll correctly but yes always the risk of injury but what about Melvin Gordon because Gordon demanded trade after the chargers he's offered ten million per year and apparently they won't budge create talks have been blocked. It just seems like a terrible situation Burmese untouchable within the first <hes> three and a half round so what about you do. How do you evaluate Melvin Gordon? I've struggled with this one too. I mean honestly it's just it's very frustrating. I like Melvin Gordon Allott. He was actually a guy that I was telling everyone to sell dynasty. I thought this this was the year to sell him while he still had high value knowing that I thought all along the chargers weren't going to resign him and now you look at the situation now now him getting ten million dollars offered I it's very strange to me that a running back with his injury history would turn down that money but again the contracts in the it really comes down to the guaranteed money especially for the running backs like we see it on twitter. We see the you you know the quote saying you know the ten million dollar offer but how many years visit how much money was guaranteed you know so. It's just frustrating Melvin Gordon obviously if you're if you have a redraft tomorrow I mean you can't take the first two rounds. There's just the it's just even the third round. You're risking missing out on another really good player by taking a gamble on him. I just I try to play it safe. I don't like to take too much risk. I'm more of a take risks from round five on type of guy. I think your first three to four picks just have two guys you just flat out like and it's just too much risk and I love Gordon. I know Richard's heartbroken because we just finished star died AC- draft and Richard it. has this sexy team with. Would you have Barclay C._M._C. and Gordon three headed monster and Ancienne see eighty. I gave up yeah but he went from having a three headed monster to now having still sick too. You know I mean C._F._C. and Barclays. Please nothing of that. You know the right off but yet it's just it's just frustrating especially in Dynasty Owning Gordon in Dynasty League like like the way teams are structured. Gordon is most likely in odors rb one to now be going into the season not knowing if you're going to have your rb one and it's just it's just flat out just socks has this time last year I would have told us not to worry and you know go ahead and draft Levian Bell because he's going to play and he's going to be on the field and then I was a complete fool when he wasn't and I think he said precedent for all all these running backs telling them hold out and get what you're worth because your career short issue for sure. It's an issue it it really is. I mean you're logistically running. Back should be paid more if not their contracts. My thing is I think N._F._L. Contract should be fully guaranteed. I yeah these people are <unk> risking their body. Every day. Who say lives technically lives with the you know the brain injuries but it it just doesn't make sense for how much money the League makes it not to be guaranteed money especially a running back when you look at the you know the average career length? It's just not that long from business. They're really good. They're really like your first contract with a running back. If you get a second contract you've had a good career really have a the percentage of backs <unk>. Second contracts is credibly low because the way the contract situation works is for listeners that don't know in if you're drafted in in the first round you get drafted or years puzzle fifty or team option which they're pretty much almost always gonNA accept than the franchise you <unk> three years realistically you too and by that time you're like what twenty seven twenty seven <unk> well. Guess what you're GONNA get another one year deal for some team because <hes> you tend to fall off at around like you're done at age twenty nine or so obviously Frank Gordon maybe exception agent Peterson of shows are greats rates right like most running backs by the time they reach your second contracts. There are e out of the League or very close so the way that the N._F._L. Cheats running back to their money. It's obviously not great at the owners have so much money they're able to exploit these men and who are just doing their job just trying to get to their next contract. Never do it with Zeke. Like what do you expect these backs to do as has the N._F._L. The only leverage they have is holding out and the value they bring to the team if you if they take away that value that's only only possible leverage that have under his currency which also with the new C._B._A. Coming up there's so many different issues on how to play players because you don't know it. Is this GONNA be more beneficial in one way or another. They don't know whether to give new contracts now our way so I just think that the entire situation is bad for <hes> for running backs in the guaranteed money even if you look at Tagro the percentage of his guarantee money was a high for other running backs as it was still approximately a third of his money making fourteen million year for four years in the chargers offered him ten aren't really budging on that one <unk> treats himself like one of the Best Ryan backs in the League again. He is a very he's a great elite running back but with his injury concerns I understand the backups while the chargers don't WanNa pay. It's just a terrible situation for all parties involved as my perspective on including Asas fancy players greed greed. Let's move onto Dante moncrieff. He has James Washington. There rumors now out of camp that James Washington is now fighting to keep the onto Johnson off the field moncrieff visit. He's locked and loaded number two wide receivers right now. He's going way deep in drafts L. Let me just pull it up real quick by think he's he's a great value for me personally right now. He's going wide receiver fifty nine in drafts. That's after after guys like Michael Gallup Miekel Harmon even after Tyreek Hill came back a he's going after James Washington after guys like Paris Campbell's I I think that Dante mockby a wide receivers three comparative value right now which is low end wide receiver five so do you guys also take the same stock into what has been said or do you still like James Washington's valued. Yes so me personally. I've <hes> I've never been a fan of James Washington. I didn't like him coming out <hes>. I just think he's like a he's like nothing like just stands out. Where just it's like? Wow this guy's good same thing with the mockery if it's just but moncrieff in a situation like you said the wide receiver too I thought James Games Washington would step up and become the wide receiver to there's still time there's still time it's camp talk. We could see what happens you know. Even if he starts a season moncrieff offense the receiver to James Washed could slowly tick that rollover moncrieff for me. I just don't think MONCRIEFF S- good I understand the value looking at it as him as the wide receiver to and historically with Rothlisberger in Pittsburgh mean they just produce that offense is just like fantasy football's dream but at the same time. I just don't like moncrieff but like you said like you pointed out with his A._D._p. Towards the end of a draft if I'm looking at my board and I'm like okay I'm taking a running back over. I'm ticket receiver over a running back. I'll take him if there's not a guy that I liked better for sure like in comparison. I actually had this talk tonight. I want buddy. I don't know in terms of the A._D._p. I we don't have it in front of me. Jamison crowder I'm taking I'm taking crowder over Moncrieff MONCRIEFF. I like I like crowder very much more than I do as mockery for Nice upside play this year and redraft will what about you Richard. How do you like like mockery between the two between James Washington moncrieff? I I'M GONNA lean towards MONCRIEFF. I just I'd like his size. You know moncrieff only two years older than James Washington <hes> but he's he's at the age run receiver stand to produce more when they're between twenty six and thirty than than when they're younger guys so I think he's going to end up with a better season in Washington. I don't think I know the competitions air but I don't see Washington as much which of a threat between the two of them like Vin said if they're there towards the end of a draft I'll take a risk on one of them but <hes>. I don't think there's much much difference at all. It's all about who wins who wins at position in right now. It's Kinda open the Air Vin said Jamison crowder the wide receiver eighty so uh-huh you could get him even later in eighty yeah among says eat zero yet fancy pros half P._B._R. Scoring if you're yeah I research John McCain round the wide receiver fifty nine couldn't find him just catch down and he's a wide receiver eighty two hundred thirty second position. He's going after that's robbery. That's that means. You're not drafting him. You're probably not getting getting drafted and redraft but like that's just eighty. He's going after let me just read off some guys here. Some of these guys aren't even starting for their own team. Akeem Butler isn't in the starting three rotation nation Antonio Calloway Behind O._B. J Jarvis Landry David in jokue Kareem Hunt do Johnson like he's all these as Calvin Harmon mm-hmm. I mean come on guys. I know of here. What can fasten quarter isn't good but I mean I'm really not taking all these rookie wide receivers J._J? Say a wide sides absurd. That's DEMARIA's communist into partner like all these guys on <unk> Jamison crowder over so yeah yeah I think realistically in redraft realistically. You're not touching those guys. I mean like that entire range. He's around. He's not gonNA either. crowder's most likely not going to get drafted moncrieff. The hype leading up to Redraft sees a mockery for sure his eighty piece going to continue to sneak up because the sharps. They're all GonNa look at it as okay mock <unk> wide receiver to in Pittsburgh offense like there's upside. I just think it flat out comes out. I don't think moncrieff good yes. I don't like James Washington but like because I don't think moncrieff good. I don't think it's difficult for James Washington to overtake Dante Moncrieff KRIEF. That's just how I feel about it. Absorb before we move onto mantovano that news Israeli long usually news. Here's like fifteen minutes but this this is trying more than half of our podcast but before we move onto our van hot takes. Let's talk a bit about pot going so head on. I hope you're enjoying this podcast. There's an APP called Park in the pays you to the podcast. Here's our works you paid a podcast and you earn <unk> while you listen then you could turn that in for gift cards cards at places like Amazon or starbucks or even donate to charity Morio is in the more you earn your interested download the APP on iphone or android and user code fantasy see sports and you'll get three hundred popcorn just resigned the up listening to your favorite shows and hope we wanted them on Paul going up with the code fantasy sports it will change angel where you listen to podcasts I so let's move onto our main event hottest hot issue in half when P._B._R. So do you you want to say any of your hot takes. I Yeah Richard You can go first. You're my first is going to be as as my boy I've been I've been preaching reaching him to everybody for. As long as I can. Mike Williams is going to finish in the top fifteen of all receivers this year. The pockets are there. He doesn't have to worry about <hes> about the other Williams. Give no many competition. I like the offense that Iran I like Philip and I think he's going to enter a one a one B situation out there with the chargers from me right now. Mike Williams going as a wide receiver twenty four but for me odd say the just a number two option in albeit a very good offense but a passing offense that I don't know I see Mike Williams although he had incredibly high draft capital invested obviously very talented see him as more of a deep threat racking up those touchdowns but I think that his volatility week to week will make him more of someone you on your flags and Adas Price <hes> that keeps on creepy out by think he'll end up it being like a wide receiver too so <hes> I personally. I don't love Mike Williams. I'd take Tyler Lockett who's going one spot below a <hes> him over Mike Williams but that's just me yeah. I'm somewhere in the middle. Yeah I'm somewhere in the Middle Richard would like blitzer richer would fights for bike week. I'm kind of on the same side. I like Mike Williams. I think he's a good football player but you got Hunter Henry coming back. You know the whole thing with the Melvin Gordon hold out. I mean if he's out then all of a sudden the target's shares just like we don't know we have no clue what to expect. Really really you know like we really don't like Yeh. Cler is going to get the targets will get a little bump up targets but <hes> Mike will it really comes down to. He is such a nice red zone target. I mean his his efficiency with a touchdown to <unk> reception ratio. I mean it's just it's it's in my eyes. It's very hard to to sustain but if anyone can do it it's him and he's he's a good red zone target and he's actually he's a big replay guy to man. He's very good receiver. I think he's a better football player and receiver than he is a fantasy football value right now. I only one more thing to say about this. Guy's an I'm sorry I think he I think he was the most productive fantasy receiver out of all the <hes> all wide receivers last year I if I'm not mistaken he did the most with the least amount of targets and those target was just something fishy. Take that production and sure the efficiencies going to drop a little bit but if you take production the last year and basically add you know another twenty five percent or thirty percent target argue chair to that or take twenty five percent more targets or thirty percent more targets and add that to what he was getting less season. I think the upside is ridiculous. Listen I have him. His floor is a is a high end wide receiver to take part right for me honestly I I'd take Tyler Lockett. Maybe make better about this. They're on their off there. I'll take tired of October dope on air right now. I want it away so let's go do total fancy points. You want to do half point P._B._R. Whether you want to do the suit total fantasy points a total fantasy points. I bet the tower block will finish <unk> fancy points than Mike Williams at the end of the season. Wow Wow I accept we can we can talk about what we're going to wager off the air. If you like the sounds good love it. I love him. Love it. I do you like lock it all right. I guess we'll move onto my only had two takes here. My second take Dalvin cook finishes as a running back one this season running back one or a rb one in rb one top twelve all even a bump that up say he has a top bape finish this season Kirk or guy yeah because we're not seeing that mean Dobbin cooks going as rb twelve right now so yeah yeah I mean it's it's definitely something that people can contend <hes> i. I think Dobbin Cook will finish as rb one as well just perhaps not as high as a odd still take guys like a girly and mixing over him in that case but I could definitely see domico finishing as rb one just he so talented my one concern just his injury history because even has less competition last year with Latavius Murray off off the team. I know they dropped a Alexander mess but I don't think that he is going to step into that. Same <unk> role <unk> carries the goal line. I think <hes> Dobbin cooked certainly has good season. This year can't read that one don't loved Alvin loved <hes> and he has the skill. I mean it's it's not a talent issue at all. It really just running back eight would not surprise me at all. It's just there's the risk there's the risk of him getting injured. He's been consistently injured. I mean dating back to college ideal but he's a hell of a talent it. He's very fun to watch too on going back to your Mike Williams playing for second just to double down on this so look bad had <hes> tire lockets. You're arguing that there's GonNa be more targets available for Mike Williams you could argue about Tyler Lockett with <hes> <hes> with Doug Baldwin leaving as their leading target. You had incredible efficiency lock as well with a perfect passer rating from Wilson to lock doc ID. That's just Kinda why I it's it's crazy yeah the big thing with that those the touchdown efficiency of that offense has to drop drastically. I mean and they were just so good last year but I'm not I'm not saying I like lock it this year. I like going into this year. I like him for redraft. I think he's going to be a surprise people with what he does. I just like Mike Williams more as we move onto one of <HES> YOU WANNA my takes forbid so let's let's Talk About O._J. Howard because I feel like O._J? Howard is being massively undervalued right now going in the middle of the fifth earned? I believe like I think O._J. Howard is honestly <unk> <unk>? Let's go for it. I'll say a hot take that he'll finish as a top two tight end. Why have is Kelsey is the other one because I I feel like this is half when P._B._R? Because I feel like George kiddos sufficiency metrics last year were off the charts and honestly I feel like a more realistic finishes number three but just for the sake of hot takes. Let's put him up at number twos Zakar to so much competition for targets there. I Know Carson. wentz loves him <hes> but I just feel I O._J. Howard has even less both of them are than Howard have some injury concerns but I feel like if O._J? Howard stays healthy? He's shown John so while on the field that I think he definitely has a chance to finish certainly as a top three I'd take him overkill actually but <hes> outtake wise is operatives <unk> top too tight end you burn burn in eleven kills my boy kittles my boy like I actually actually a hurt me to hear that but no I love O._J. Howard he's the talent again same thing with Daven? I mean it's just O._J. Howard's so talented? He's incredibly talented and I mean you would you would assume that offense. I mean he hit Bruce Arians. You expect it's really good offensive definitely improved. I mean they were they. We're a free like a pretty fantasy friendly besides not having any talent at running back I mean O._J. <unk> was very good last year before the injury. He has the talent talent for sure. I'm more of a Guy Like O._J. Howard an and <hes> Evan Ingram this year I would take Evan Ingram over O._J? Howard long-term we're talking ticket? Oh Jay Howard over Ingram fight that O._J. Howard over Evan Ingram all day I'd say that with with the news of <hes> giants ends camp <unk> Ingram certainly GonNa step into a lot more targets but I think that once those wide receivers come back when you have sterling Shepard Bird Saquon when you have these guys I feel like a go and take him back O._J? Howard although he certainly does have competition for targets around him when you have I think it was like thirty eight percent of targets vacated with Adam Humphreys to Sean Jackson gone? That's gotta go somewhere and Chris. Godwin obviously is going to a pretty big recipient. I think Mike Evans may get a slight bump but he's already getting a law targets and Yvonne that because of his deep play promised ernest he doesn't tend to handle a tend to command as big of a target chair as an example I could von atoms or some <unk>. Jay Howard with the amount of Jameis Winston loves throwing TED TIGHT END although <hes> Arians hasn't typically utilized one as much. I think that O._J. Howard our will get a ton of <unk> targets in that depleted tight end situation? I'm willing to pay up for lowered willing to take him in the fifth round over guys like Kenyan drake right because I think Kenyan drake like I was huge into him until I heard about gamblers US thinking finally Adam gazes gone finally <hes> <hes> Dow <unk> utilize a talent and then. They're trying to use Callan Balaj again but that's a different story so I'd Take O._J. Howard there? I'll take him over Kit Ohio is I love O._J. Howard this year yet to help me like O._J? Too I I feel personally attacked. He said he's going to finish better than Earth's but as an eagles I like them <hes> and right now I've been trying to switch from dynasty to redraft moe than get ready for redraft season so he is a guy been looking at <hes>. I see him as a top five tight end. I don't know if he finishes top two. I mean now I I certainly to hear the case for <unk>. If I had to do probability wise definitely site rates finishes better but a for sake of hot takes. Let's just go for IT O._J. Too So let's not to want events is because you haven't said yet so any of those you want particularly mentioned Yes for sure <hes> stay on tight ends. I got Austin Hooper finishing as a top five tight end early going at a hundred and seven overall in fantasy prose A._D._p. At Tight End Eleven I love Austin Hooper. I just think he's a very very very good player. I think he's the most underrated tight end in any format. I'm GONNA fight you on this. I think he could be seen as value how you but top five I mean that's what Kelsey urge kittle Howard Ingram in Yalta guys got guys like hunt and I feel like that's like a pretty settled top five then you got guys who I like. I put Vance McDonald ahead of them. Juerg like Hanner Henry Jared Cook. Oh like I put these guys all have often whoever's up what what about you Richard when you think about this on I like Hooper's hoopers value but I I don't know if I can put them my top five like I say you just spent about eight guys right. There and I like that more than a more than hooper as well so vince if you're on if you're on leap if you're on the clock in a draft. Are you taking Hunter Henry. Because who do you have in your number six tight end number six so personally so verb redraft here we go kelsey one kid'll to Erz three ingram four hooper five Howard six. Oh you haven't oh our jared jared cook ish then coming in you got your hunter Henry Hunter Henry. I think his price is is ridiculous. Two years ago your your banking on the upside from his rookie year and then he tears his knee and he's coming back and your just he's being bought like he's locked to be a top ten tight end. I'm more of like a I'll wait off. I'll sit out. This year on his is price <unk> if he proves me if proves that he is rookie year was not a fluke in that he is a very good tight in the next years old. You know it's a whole another topic to make one of these beds O._J. Howard is under Awesome Uber New rankings why he got off Scot Awesome Hooper my top five men live? I mean it's five and six like hopper net savings no for me though like if I had still rank rank urge above Howard is just a version I could definitely see him finishing as a top two time but if you <music> Ashley having ranked they're definitely do something even we could do Vance McDonald and <hes> also have hooper ranked as my as my top five. I'm sorry giving giving off my prediction for for in terms of ranking. I'm not drafting hooper at tight end five. I've value drafter. I'm drafting as the board falls to me. Who is the perfect type guy? Oh Yeah No. I mean just just because I value someone at something doesn't mean that's where I'm going to pick. 'em type of thing so you know I mean it got. It got a it's the market so I have to whatever the markets presenting to me. I have to find the values Austin Hooper's screaming value at tight end eleven in A._D._p. Okay Nixon so let's go back to WANNA mind <hes> curious to hear your take on this one but todd Gurley finishes the top five back. What say you guys could good def definitely good? I mean he's we know the talent. I mean watch the N._F._L. Top on honored last night I mean he's number two. I mean tag girlies. It wasn't number two. What am I saying? He was number five. I'm sorry sorry drew brees. You're number two but yeah I mean you know. The talent really comes down to we have no no clue about the way we really don't it was a bunch of it was a bunch of just talk off season about it the arthritis like we have. We have no clue the severity. It was just really weird to me that a team that good last year makes it to the Super Bowl. His usage just made no a sense. It was just like holy crap. Is something actually really wrong with this guy's name. You know it's like you're talking about. You're playing in the biggest game of your life and you're not using your M._v._p. Candidate running back. It's just it's just very <hes>. It's very scary but I mean with the talent I mean he could easily easily finish top five five even if he's even if its usage is usage goes down. You know I mean he totally could even with girlies usage dropping down if they drop him down twenty five percent with the production he had last year he was still finished as a top ten back so I am redraft. I did not make girly at all I still I don't think he's one of the best running backs in the league. This is dynasty wise. I'm obviously faded him. A while because I'm I'm concerned about the store ability and his up and the ad Atlanta has left in his knee but for redraft he's definitely there. He should still be a first round back. I know he's been dropping. I seen him go second round. That in a couple of redrafts SCHRAFFT's thought if he's there for me in the second round. I'm snatching them up as quick as I can. Let's let's move back to Vinci's. <hes> you have a couple more taseer so which one go with my boy Cory Davis. It's going to finish as top twenty receiver receiver. I love it is currently being drafted at eighty two overall and he's wide receiver thirty five eighty P that is a robbery with his upside is wide receiver one in an offense. That's passing game cannot be worse than last year. It's just it just be so difficult for the passing game to be worse than it was. Last year had a quarterback Marietta. He couldn't even feel the ball holding it last year playing now they have a backup that can actually play even though Tannehill might not be the best player but I mean I like Corey Davis. It's I'm a talent guy. I like talent over situation. I like the talent always rises to the top like Corey. Davis was a top thirty receiver last year and P P R. I mean stinking he'd be top twenty is isn't too crazy. My opinion most people wouldn't agree. I feel like definitely but as wide receiver thirty five I mean he's just absolutely a value. I think that I on seem fishes top twenty wide receiver not against Corey Davis per se just against offense in just the other talent you have around. They're like a right now A._D._p. Like right now half point P._B._R. Yahoo joined Ataman in going as a wide receiver eighteen. <hes> Chris Gaudron guys twenty one so these guys if you're gonNA say he's GonNa finish above guys like Ataman Allan announced <unk>. I certainly agree because I just think just purely in a better situation proven that you can do it and the other thing though is he headed incredible target share last year is thirty seven percent which is among the guys like John Hopkins Davante Adams which sounds great great except the fact is that they got <hes> A._J. Brown in the draft <unk> Adam Humphreys in free agency so I think that the target's share is going to go down for Davis now. Mario's probably GONNA be healthier than he was last year which means that there's going to be a better quality. You've targeted Corey davises advancing another year could make a step up there but I just don't see fishing top twenty. I could see him finishing as a wide receiver a AAC amid wide receiver three <hes>. Maybe a high end wide receiver three but I don't see him fish as a wide receiver this year I <unk>. I Love Corey Davis. I don't like the offenses and I will say last year. I think there was a I I forget how many targets he had and how many catches but I can tell you those balls he did not catch Ali one of them account as trump which means the other throws were just Erin and they weren't even in the vicinity or catchable range so if if Mary Oh that can deliver the ball a little more accurately I I can see a finishing top twenty a lot a vinci's less <unk> table for Corey Davis because my next guy who has his Daunton pedants going one spot below him right now wide receiver thirty four I think he will finish as rake a mid tier may slightly lower end wide receiver to do you guys like Dante Pettis while all depends or just stay away from him I would I would not take pettus over record Davis personally <hes> I wasn't too high on pedestals coming out. I mean the guy he just seems like one of those guys. Obviously I'm not predicting anything. I can't predict anything. He just seems like one of those guys. It's always going to be banged up. It's just going to be one of those guys. It's frustrating to own. They added Deebo. You know I mean Trent Taylor's getting hype. I don't really believe it too much but he's getting hype out of the slot. You know I mean Pettus is in Lyon to be the wide receiver one but your argument were Corey Davis was that they had other stuff around him. I mean Soda San Francisco now. You got the second round pick and Deebo. You Got George Kill. You got thirty seven running backs. I mean that's just the they could. It could be a very frustrating that could be very frustrating fantasy football team outside of George biddle. I certainly agree that they could be a frustrating fancy team. Just for me. Eh there is talent around him but I just say that obviously ghetto I think is a better pass catcher in <unk>. I think that Deebo oh historically rookie wide receivers have been as great end with Jimmy Garoppolo back. I just think the offense will be a lot better than tendencies. I think Jimmy Garoppolo better than Mario and I think that the passing volume in San Francisco Ovens while it won't rank near the top is still still gonNa be far more attempts than the Tansy offense which has won the bottom tier in the N._F._L. and has we saw last year when they were winning. Winning is when they were giving it to Derrick Henry so I think that <hes> I think that the amount of passing volume available in Tennessee offenses a inferior to Davos San Francisco offense hence why Raking Dante Pettis a so much higher than Corey Davis. Hey you WanNa make bet on that one. I'll take it there's too many unknowns in that offense for me. I'm not touching any receiver and that offense outside of best ball leaks unless the values he's absolutely ridiculous. File Hen for me see before the A._J. Green News came out. I was honestly debating on the clock doc digging Tyler Boyd or <unk> as who the value just seems to be there for pet is going so much after a going seven wide receiver he response after Tyler Boyd but I also see outcomes image dot at best finishes assuming of course <unk> agreeing wasn't in Asia Green was just he may be got injured midway through season but not preseason like this but at that time as strongly considering taking taking Dante Pettis tabloid so I- largely I'd take Boyd each time in a vacuum. I did offer penance grid. What's let let's quickly? Do maybe one more heartache from <hes> one of you guys because this podcast gone pretty long so do you have any need takes that you'd like to mention at yeah I mean I have one more. I got Arab Allen Robinson. My boy finishing top top fifteen currently going wide receiver twenty nine eighty P C inbred around that fifteen mark okay so for me I mean I'll have the high seam as a value where he's going for me personally. I'll take him over guys like juice. Landry Suffolk bad over Kevin Ridley but I don't know they're they. They love to spread around the passing asking volume in that offense trubisky already won't throw the ball incredible amount of times with his rushing floor end end his <unk>. Let's face. It isn't the greatest score back out there so I just feel the quality target. The <unk> targets is going to be lower than several guys going around there. I'd rather our pets. I'd rather have guys like Tyler Boyd before going right next to him. I'd rather have those guys over on raw. Somebody still think he's undervalued for where he's being drafted so I agree on that part but I I can't run with that top. Fifteen finish me. I think Achey does better than this current A._D._p. But I can't see the top fifteen. That's why it's hot baby all right so I think we could wrap up the podcast so anything you want to mention about the fancy free or any other projects. 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ARRL Audio News - July 26, 2019

ARRL Audio News

10:06 min | 1 year ago

ARRL Audio News - July 26, 2019

"This is A. R. L. Audio News Your Weekly Summary of news highlights from the world of amateur radio. If you retransmit audio dues through a repeater listen for the Morse Code K character followed by four seconds seconds of silence that your cue to stop transmitting so that your repeater timer can reset. I'm Carla Pereira Casey One H._S._S.. And these are stories for Friday July Twenty Sixth A. R. L. Member volunteers ears heaven part of the excitement as the two thousand Nineteen International Experimental Aircraft Association Annual Show Air Venture Continues Through July twenty ninth in Oshkosh Wisconsin. This year marks the fiftieth anniversary of E._A.. A air venture which drew more than six hundred thousand visitors and ten thousand aircraft last year the A. R. L. Exhibit Highlights Radio Communications encouraging pilots and aviation enthusiasts to discover the many facets facets of amateur radio and to expand their interest in technology A. R. L. Product Development Manager Bob in Davidson and Q. One are organized the booth and the all volunteer team icon America and E._A.. warbirds of America Orca Organiz Special Event Station W Nine W which will be on throughout the show in addition members of the Fox cities Amateur Radio Club are operating w nine's et Al from the nearby Pioneer Airport. Online registration is now available for Microwave Update two thousand nineteen sponsored by the North Texas Microwave Society. The event will take place October third through fifth at the Hilton Garden Inn and Conference Center Lewisville Texas Microwave Update is this year's premier microwave conference and an ideal place to meet fellow microwave enthusiasts to share ideas and technologies see the website at w._w._w.. Dot Microwave Update Date Dot O._R._G.. A. R. L. has announced the release of its two thousand eighteen annual report to its members. The two thousand eighteen annual report was created by the A.. R. Are L. editorial staff under the direction of Cuba's T- managing editor Becky Schoenfeld W. B. X. Y.. In his message to members A. R. L. President Rick Roderick K.. Five you are said new generation Hams engage with amateur much aradio in a very different way than Hams of his generation quote through extensive research. We've learned that they come to amateur radio hoping to learn how to use it in eight of their communities and for enhancing the fund they're already having while camping hiking aching or doing other outdoor activities. We've also learned that they've been discouraged by the difficulty of finding information and help that would allow them to get involved unquote chief executive officer Howard Nichole W._B._Z. to I._T.. X. I said A. R. L. is at a crossroads quote and we need to look seriously at what we are in what we do for a R L to remain relevant to amateur radio it must evolve that evolution while swift can't be haphazard unquote. The annual report also includes a full accounting of a our ells finances. According to the report A R L continues to be in good financial condition and has a strong financial foundation members can download a p._d._f.. Copy the report at W._W._W.. Dot A. R. L. Dot O._R._G.. FORWARD SLASH ANNUAL DASH reports activity from some Arctic Circle Islands begins this week this includes the O._J.. Nine a from Cotija in Chiari and oh h nine a from the Lapland Islands the two islands located in the Tornado River Delta will be active through July twenty ninth including during the islands on the air contest. Only only two IRELANDS are split between Finland and Sweden Market Reef and Kaji in Hikari which enjoy unique status is and the D._N._C.. See An IOTA programs contacts with O._J.. Nine will also count towards the market jubilee marathon breath on in parallel with O. J. O. H.. Nine Market Reef will be activated by a team of German Swedish and Finnish Radio Amateurs with the Call Sign O._J.. Zero D._A._X.. The Netherlands International Amateur Radio Union Member Society Feron reports a disappointing response from the national regulator agent shop telecom regarding a call from Dutch radio amateurs that one hundred forty four. If you're one hundred forty six megahertz be protected a recent proposal put forward by France at A. C. E. P. T. Pre world radio communication conference. Two Thousand Nineteen meeting targeted a segment of two meters among other VHF spectrum as Z. Possible Aeronautical Mobile Service allocation sharing it with amateur radio according to Iran and initial agent shop telecom response indicated that the French proposal quote fits in with Dutch frequency policy unquote that encourages joint and shared use of spectrum Varun said agent shop telecom has indicated that it's necessary to take a good look at actual use of the segment and to have insight into compatibility on July Twentieth Radio Amateurs and the Netherlands conducted a two meter propagation experiment aimed at least in part on demonstrating that Hams us and need the band a our ells logbook of the world has been updated to include F.. T. Four contacts for the digital worked all states award one of many digital W. A. S. endorsements. This follows the W. S. J._T.. ex-development groups July general availability release of W S J._T.. Dash X two point one point. Oh no other endorsements are under consideration at this time L. O.. T. W. Users are currently able to upload all F. T. four contact they have made while the F. T. Four digital W. A. S. award endorsement functions are now active award processing unfulfillment remained pending reading the availability of a new endorsement sticker the Thirty Day deadline to submit a R L fielding entries via App Upload and timely postmarked U._S._p._s. mail is now past and the A. R. L. Contest Branch reports. That more than three thousand entries have been logged into the system last year saw two thousand nine hundred three entries A. R. L. Radio Sport and Field Services Manager Bart Yankee W nine J._J.. So the total does not include entries postmarked postmarked by July twenty third and still in transit a number of entries still show a status of pending these include two hundred eighty in complete entries that are missing the required list of call signs by band slash mode also known as Duke sheet or a Cabrillo Orillia foul results will appear in December two thousand nineteen issue of q t and now with this week satellite update. Here's Bruce Page K. K. Five D._O.. Earlier here this week another amateur satellite made it into space and is operational casts seven be it is part of the CIS family from the Chinese Amateur Satellite Group. You can find the C._W.. Telemetry Beacon on four thirty five decimal seven one five megahertz and the V._U.. F._M. Transponder downlink on for thirty five decimal six nine zero megahertz and the uplink. I'm one four five decimal nine hundred megahertz congratulations to the team that designed built and tested the satellite. Are you going to be in Washington D._C.. Area in October now is a good time to plan a trip. Amp Set will be celebrating their fiftieth anniversary symposium. Oppose Him October Eighteenth through the twentieth. The board of Directors will be meeting October sixteenth and seventeenth and there will be two tours one on Sunday October twentieth to the Smithsonian Air and space museum by bus and another on Monday October twenty first of the National Mall via Metro. There should be a really great symposium like no other more information is available on the am set dot org website. This is Bruce Page K. K. five audio for the awro audio news. This is the A. R. L. Audio News Propagation Forecast for Friday July twenty sixth our son has been without spots for fifty seven of the last sixty two days days and the solar flux index is hovering around sixty seven although conditions on the higher h f bands aren't the best for D._X.. Hunting Watch for relatively short openings of up to about two thousand miles on fifteen twelve and ten meters as we often say one in doubt call C._Q.. There is a hole in the sun's atmosphere. That's just starting to turn towards US so expect disturbed H F conditions at times during the week to come. I'm on VHF and U._H._F.. Watch for some weather related triple openings on two meters in Alabama and Georgia in the coming days and of course always keep an ear on six meters and that concludes a our L. Audio News for this week our thanks to all contributors to this week's report A. R. L. Audio News is produced by the American Radio Relay League the National Association for Amateur Radio for more information on amateur radio or the A. R. L..

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Time Cops take down Dr. Emmett Brown

Nautilus At Nine Podcast

10:52 min | 2 years ago

Time Cops take down Dr. Emmett Brown

"They interrupt your regularly scheduled moment of silence to bring you the news Moscow you'll rope US cyclotron cronos broke star Lost Moon of push news from around the Cosmos Pop custard secretly from Eighteen Thousand Leagues Below skied headquarters Rhys as the models at nine with Baucus memo. We'll good morning. Welcome to the Nautilus at nine. I Mark Has Nemo bringing you tomatoes. Those new cycle recycled today whether you're listening to this and the upside down while hiding from Demi Gordon maybe you're just tuning in after waking up from a lacuna memory erasing procedure now's a good time to fix yourself a stiff drink and listened to the news from a multitude of different print dimensions that are hopefully worse off than you're occupying right now currently enjoying one of my favorite on air cocktails I call it a blade runner which is six cups of spiced rum and one ounce of the tiers of dying replicant in Rome. Okay our top story. The Time Enforcement Commission has finally cotton executed that Pan Dimensional Tara's known as Dr Emmett Brown the temple officers or time cops. They're more commonly known own track down Dr Brown to a New York taxicab company where Brown had been hiding through the late nineteen seventies and early eighties under the false identity of a one J Agneta Hausky Dr Brown had been found guilty by both the Time Enforcement Commission and the Department of temporal investigations of reckless creation of multiple times streams and the illegal relocation of his teenage assistant into an alternate time line now. Apparently there's been a recorded message by Dr Brown from inside his sunshine taxi cab just before his termination and we'll bring you that as soon as we can but while we wait for that I can tell you that the execution of Dr Brown was a much-needed victory for the Time Enforcement Commission as the previous attempt to assassinate. Dr Brown was recorded failure by the T. E. C. Apparently the time cops on that previous attempt to shoot and kill Dr Brown only succeeded in terminating emanating him in one of in fact two parallel running timelines in some of our older listeners may remember that particular deep cover operation. It took place in the small American town of Hill Valley California at a local shopping mall parking lot at approximately one thirty five A._M.. Where where the undercover time cops dressed to Libyan men burned to death in Volkswagen van as it smashed into a Fox photos stand sadly none of the deep cover officers from either the twin pines or loan pines time stream survived the fire? Then it looks like we now have the audio footage of the last recorded message of the elusive Dr Emmett Brown from inside his New York taxicab just before his most recent assassination. Let's see if we can get some clarification on Brown sick and depraved experiments and just a word warning the knicks audio. You're GonNa hear is of a temple nature. You and your loved ones could run the risk of fading from existence listener discretion is advised transmitting on Fox frequency of one point twenty one gigahertz for sunshine taxicab cab a Wednesday evening June fifteenth nineteen ninety-three at precisely thirty five P._M.. The facts time paradox will be happening and he'll not California to his from now on the moment Montesano pufus alone mall parking lot. I know the dog was talking to was not the intelligent company money from the successful MCI family but instead ex same voice dumb ass I met in nineteen fifty five Kony. Let my Mahdi the clever Mauri who moments go lift on time all in the facts of light and fire trails but through some separate costs of events materialized and this sucky Mahdi's time on complete with Twin Pines trashy parents hall tragic Hemmitt Brown bleeding out in front of him trying to come back so does that code I ditched in the future has my journey as soon as the flux capacitor activate at the time paradox delorean jumped into the twin pines time line. That was my middle-aged Jack almost suicidal looking auto who lived his life in prison time stream surrounded by hideous. I'm on the way I talked to help this older Maurice K. to jail. I talked to involve that useless dumb ASS Mardi. Why did a little bastard just screw the whole operation craving to all alternate timelines? If tired of becomes the forty fifth President United States of America the other when I count up Hawk from nineteen fifty five never bothered to build glory and time machine in the first place. Thanks Mike Invention that funnel time machine my life as living hiding from future police diff- todd lines exiling my wife until suspension automation looks like I have a fan. Hello friend WOW CAN I. They found me. I don't know how about you found me. Somehow it would be officer haven't problem calling T._C.. Dispatch target has been terminated of close repeat have cows well there. You have it well. If some of you still out there like me that are confused about time paradoxes and how they work. Let's get some clarification now. From the Community Cork Board D- to the cosmos the community coke bone to the cosmos has this to say about time better dogs as they are annoying these due to the fact that timelines are disrupted so frequently that no one remember what previous time line they were in which have causes what really irritates everyone for instance only moments ago. The time line on the planet earth was so altered that the footballer known is O._J.. Simpson or the juice was no longer famous for his starring role in the nineteen eighty-four motion picture the terminator but instead the role of the T. eight hundred cybernetic killing machine was played by an Austrian bodybuilder with an embarrassing last name. This will not be shocked to anyone for the time line adjusted so inconspicuously that literally no one knows reality to be an different which have caused is what makes it completely annoying. The story goes that in the early twenty-first-century and incredibly vein and talentless family of humans called the conditions were rather angry that no one was paying attention to them. This was due to the fact that they were incredibly vein and talentless. No no one had any interest in listening to these spoiled smug and ugly hearted people and wish that it would just shut up and go way. They didn't in fact these Kardashians continued to resent the rest of the human race for not being interested in their abhorrent lives for the next three thousand years so that by the twenty th century the Kardashians now known as Qadam Sean's had become so hateful and ugly hotted it had transformed that outward appearance to these Scaly Reptilian bodies that. That everyone imagine they deserved much like that. Predecessors these Kardashians filled that time with Petty Jealousies Keti feuds and shopping sprees their local deep-space malls and one of these malls had a working spatial spatial anomaly congestions in their intense hunger of fame began to use this one whole to gain more notoriety botany miscalculation due to a partially collapsed Warfield one group of truly repugnant contestations auditions but transported through time and space and splashed down in the oceans of the planet earth in the early nineteen eighty S B conditions did not survive the crash and their bodies were promptly eaten by fish the fish regretting this decision almost instantly got depressed and then sake and then died eventually the dead fish were caught and by accident they were served to a young film director who upon eating them had a feverish dream. It involved a Cyborg a Cyborg with huge you muscles and belly penetrable Austrian intonations. These was the moment of the Time Paradox O._J.. Simpson would no longer be cast as the fictional role of a dead-eyed remorseless murderer involved in dramatic car chases but would instead instead become famous for standing trial as dead-eyed remorseless murderer involved informatica cheeses but even more paradoxical was O._J.. Simpson's defense attorney Robert Kardashian in this new time line he would gain national recognition mission for this particular case which would intern the to the Kadarshian children growing up with the kind of celebrity. They always felt he deserved and the kind of four point seven million viewers they always thought they were entitled to doctors who study these kind of temporal paradoxes Fox's say that these things continue to happen happening and have already happened. It's all just we'd be wobbly tiny lamey say well. I hope that clears everything up and it looks like we're Outta time. 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Episode 388 - Let's See Them Aliens!

Ross Patterson Revolution!

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Episode 388 - Let's See Them Aliens!

"It side gentlemen who will come to the rocks patters bye. GO SPENT DOT COM COMMON K. heading for New Orleans well. There is a man current. We're supposed to go this weekend does not look like that is going to happen and there is a man. Currently I'm watching the live feed who is swimming down Canal now street. This almost has to be seen to be believed right now. That would be fun kind of no definitely can't land yeah Ooh now but what's in that water. What isn't in that war Margaritas <music> dockery's you might if you're watching the video show subscribe on Youtube? If you're not brought I got a glimpse of the summer swayze tease sorry these have sold outs but they're back at led by iron dot com so go and get them while they're there's like forty laughter something crazy. We can't keep making his. I guess we could yeah. Why not it's too much? It's too much you know we've made shit. That's limited limited where it's just like hey man because I don't think there's such thing as too much sway the in the world and I think that you should feel the same way I don't either. I don't either but with with our weekend more than likely canceled sure a say once we get you now in in two months once we get everything back from customer service funds and all of that stuff human go to win yeah yeah isn't it. I think we go to another events is another storm storm warm area fifty one. They can't stop all of us. This is the storm that we need to go to if you've not heard of this on facebook two hundred twenty thousand people have signed signed up to do a late summer raid on area fifty one in the Nevada desert to parentheses see them aliens. That's what we want Hashtag. They can't stop can't stop all of us. They can't stop won't stop all of us. This is real area fifty one also known as Homey airport. What's up Homie Damn Homie? They're infamous obviously for the alien conspiracy that happened in the fifties. Obviously you know what's what happened with the Roswell U. OF U.. Incidents right may or may not be true either way. I WANNA WANNA see some fucking aliens. I've I've been there. We did it as a joke for the show but like dude ten people stormed out of nowhere and with guns saying we're going to fucking kill you and where were you when you're right at the gate or you were. Were you think it is a passageway that just you know it's marked with signs like you can't go and all this other shit. They're saying they're going to storm right that area fifty one so you know there's a road in like you know where where where it is bunch of people have been around the outskirts with long telephoto lenses is that right Zillow Fota telephoto telephoto or telephone Dick telephoto when you're in the past tense of it. You are sure I'm not great with words never never cop. Never I've been drinking. This is straight Jameson after the past few days I've had it is early <music> one P._M.. On a Wednesday and demonstrate Jameson he could've made me it could've quit. What I know is this I support all of it? Whoever is out there at home in his signed up for Storm Area Fifty one? They can't stop us. They can't solve all of us on facebook. I'm here for it. I'm thinking again. This is not so September twentieth. Today's we're recording this on July I tenth by the time I get all the money back from from customer service and on the Shit I think we put it all into their and we go right. I WANNA 'cause it's three a m scheduled for three am which is right when daddy gets going. That's my best time of life in this life eleven p._m.. To Five A._M. is my favorite time in life. That's where I'm the happiest that's where I'm and the most enjoyable of my day. A lot of people are morning people and they say hey man. I need breakfast love breakfast when get up. I'm going to have a run. I WanNa do this shit at five A._M.. I look at Mark Wahlberg schedule and and I want to stab myself with a with a very butter knife chain that one's extreme the rock so the rock schedule and I'm like my God man. I know no prayer on this earth. Are you having fun I want to I want want to look at the Rock and say hey man just look me in the eyes. I know you're richer than Jesus and you're more famous than probably Jesus at this point because I don't think I don't think Jesus getting a lot of love these days as much as the rock. If Jesus was alive I doubt he'd have as many instagram followers as the fucking rock look that up look up the rock social media numbers right more more people follow the rock than Jesus Jesus. We're still here. I bet if you looked him in the eyes and you said hey ma'am. Are you genuinely humanly happy every day. Not One prayer and this is what I was thinking the other day so people like Jennifer Lopez right there look amazing so rested and hydrated every single day <hes> Jennifer Garner. Are People like this that look like that good the rock. They don't have the kind of fun that I consider like life fun. You know what I mean. They're not eating foods staying up a little bit late hanging out with friends and letting loose no right no so you have to choose you have to choose between like looking great <hes> at a certain age and having people be like oh my gosh. How do they do it or you have to have a good time Yup and so speaking of that the good time is around three am clearly these guys are in on its? I'm on it. I I even saw Kevin Hart interview to were like what's what's he like. What's the rock like working with him? Somebody like that every day. He's my it takes a lot of naps. You know he's always late asset with joking no and the reason why is to to be the rock and to do that every morning. You gotTa wake up at like fucking four. He's got a team of people that feed him all that Shit. He's gotTa find somewhere in the day to sleep after working out and doing all of this shit to be the Rock Kevin Hart's like dude. I'm not even mad at it. He's like I get it and he goes one of my best friends and I love it but if if you look at his schedule where else do you sleep like master of catnaps can now hear the people at this Roswell event. These are my people. These are the people that I get down learn ways than in all of them men. I there's certain things that you read in life where you're like. Fuck Man. Maybe they've got it figured it all