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Daniel Boone's Wilderness Road

Aerial America

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Daniel Boone's Wilderness Road

"The early eighteenth century the Allegheny mountains which stretch from northern Pennsylvania to southern Virginia with the biggest obstacles to settlers trying to reach Kentucky and the west. But in seventeen fifty an explorer named Dr Thomas Walker discovered a narrow passageway through the forbidding alleghenies annoy between two mountains. Let's now known as the Cumberland gap today. It lies near where the borders of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia all meet. In seventeen seventy five a wealthy businessman named Richard Henderson hired Daniel Boone to forge a trail through the Cumberland gap. Henderson's plan was actually to create his own colony in Kentucky, which he wanted to name Transylvania. Boone and his men soon arrived here at the Cumberland gap axes in hand. They started hacking their way across the mountains, creating a path that would later be known as the wilderness road. That path still exists today for those wanted to retrace the journey that thousands of early settlers, I took to reach Kentucky. After two weeks Boone and his men finally made it to the other side of the mountains and chose spot for a new settlement. They called it Boonsboro today. A reconstructed fort stands on the same site. Soon. Hundreds of pioneers were pouring through the Cumberland gap heading up, the wilderness road and arriving in this frontier outpost. Boone stayed on to protect the settlers from Indian attacks. But one day while hunting he himself was captured by members of the shawnee held by the tribes chief Blackfish Boone quickly discovered. Ashani force was planning to attack the Boonsboro Seth IRS. Linter turn to spring and boom was unable to warn his companions finally in June as the shawnee made their final preparations delay siege. To the fort Boone made a daring escape. Legend has it. He crossed one hundred sixty miles of near impassable wilderness in just four days to reach Boonsboro before the shawnee. When the shawny finally did attack the settlers will well prepared and armed for ten days. They held their ground until the shawnee finally gave up and retreated. Boone's real life. Exploits were quickly turned into fiction by newspapers and magazines in America. And England imprint he became a larger than life hero, the American frontier. Leaping off cliffs in his Coon skin cap to escape capture by native tribes and leading hopeful pioneers. Through dark forests to the light filled bounty of the west.

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Adventures for Food: Ep 09 - A Record Book Bruin

Harvesting Nature’s Wild Fish and Game Podcast

16:54 min | 2 months ago

Adventures for Food: Ep 09 - A Record Book Bruin

"The pursuit for food has taken us into the wilderness across rivers and atop mountains. These journeys have connected us to the wild. It is this connection that allows us to experience the wild places. This world has to offer in search for both wild game and adventure. This is my adventure for food. My name's tyler. France and i come from a long bloodline of pennsylvania. Big woods they're hunters. We've done our fair share of damage on the bears over the past several decades as my grandfather lemoyne killed are hunting camps. I bear in nineteen fifty seven. My father steed has taken an astounding. Eight bears over his lifetime all of which while stand hunting. My older brother travis has forebears to his name. And i've taken three myself but the one who has the claim to fame with the largest bear the entire france family is myself with the second fair that i took in two thousand nine season. This is the story of out there when we woke up on the second day. The two thousand nine bear season. It was one of those days where the rain was coming down in buckets. You just knew you felt like you could crawl in a little cocoon of a sleeping bag and stay in bed but nevertheless at three thirty in the morning dragged my bought out of the bunk and mosey downstairs in the cabin at breakfast started. The rain was pounding on the old tin roof. We're looking at each other thinking i'll man it's going to be one of those days. What are we gonna do. Where are we going to hunt. We hadn't had any look on the season opener and The crew that was with us decided to hash out our plan over breakfast so we were sitting there talking about our options. The way that we hunt we don't typically drive spread out. We took a good group of guys maybe six to eight and a group and spread out across the mountain covering all the high traffic trails. The benches the ridges any crossings on draws mostly in proximity to cover. We weren't sure how long we're going to stick it out because it was supposed to pour all day but we ultimately decided to spread out in one area that was pretty easy access and meet back at the logging road at noon to figure out a plan for the rest of the day we ultimately decided that myself and a friend of mine. Brad would head east and cut down over a a big shop and spread out. I would watch a little draw that comes in from a band of the cam locks and some laurel and he would stay up on top in the chop. My dad another friend of ours. Jody and another friend. Bobby would head to the west of the logging road and spread out and take their chances. They're headed down over the side with brad. Well before daylight. My god my three determined spot for supplies that my dad had run into bears in the past We've had some success with camp members killing. There's there before but not recently. Nevertheless we got there. And i let you know drop brad off continued Out on my way down over a ridge just that i could kinda see a band of laurels to my left. Little opening a cover down below me a little trickle creek heading down through a draw and emirates victim locks on the opposing hillside again. The trump was behind me. I sat there all morning. Thankful praying thanking god that i had tree umbrella to put above my head and try to keep most of the the damp and coal off me but it was one of those days. Just just kind of hunkered down and prayed for quitting time but it got to be around. You know ten thirty ten forty five on the radio and i said to brad said hey man you see anything he said. I haven't even seen a squirrel and we we talked about it. And i said i think i'm going to pack up soon and i'm gonna zigzag the top of this recent chop here see if we can kick something out to you and that'll take me maybe an hour and then we'll head back to the truck for noon to meet thrust of the guys so i i took my time. I got off the the radio with him and i was sitting. There took the took out my sandwich. Eight sandwich drank a little bit of the water. That i had my pack tapped it and of course you know as i was ready to leave nature calls so i stood up prepared. Take a leak. I took my tree umbrella down. Shook the water off of it. Put it in my pack properly gun against my pack stood up and start taking a whiz gazing down the mountainside and all my manhood exposed to the wilderness. I hope down. And i see what i thought. Was this little bird flittering off of a tree. Limb little hemlock branch moved. If i you know songbird whatever the caught that little glimpse and it made me look a little closer. I'm still there continuing our business. And i see it move again and it was. It was kind of a branch that was obscured by a large oak tree. That was right in between the two of us. You know myself and that branch down in the distance. The bottom of the draw and as i continued to look it just seemed out of place in the gray stillness of the morning. Everything was you know dreary and gray and it was actually a sign of life and all of a sudden. That sign of life really came to fruition because i saw a little sliver of black on the left side of that mature oak tree. I was like no way. I cut it off real quick at that point right then and there and i saw black on the other side of the tree. And i'm like oh my gosh i think this is a bear coming right at me and it truly was it was. It was a bear walking straight up the hillside directly behind that tree and eventually it crossed out to the right side of the tree. And i knew it was a bear and not just the bear but a good bear so i. I quickly knelt down to the ground. Dropped into like minjah mode immediately grabbed. The gun pulled out my way. Look through the scope. As i look through the scope just grain i saw rain and moisture all in my scope. So i'm frantic now. The bear still walking straight towards me up the hill. I'm trying to my scope with you. Know a shirt tail. That's hanging out at the bottom of my coat. I finally get it cleared enough. That i can see through my crosshairs and and get dialed in on this there. And at this point it's about seventy seventy five yards away settled the crosshairs just below. Its neck the top of its chest area. Quarter into shot. Thinking i could just you know. Try to slip one right in the boiler room there as that's walking towards me. I took a deep breath. And i squeezed off the shot at that moment. That are through both front legs up in. The air tumbled backwards. I saw blood fly out of its jugular area. It rolled at left out the death mon. Now if you've never heard of death known from bear before it's a sound you'll never forget it's kind of like a roar that echoes like a foghorn through the entire valley i swear it it shipped the water and marine drops off the tree limbs but that moment silence finally came the barrows down. I was totally thrilled. Elated astonished couldn't believe my luck. Got on the radio. I call brad said bear down. Bear down for mill run camp and he said great job buddy. I'm gonna get to an area that i can try to reach the other guys a mental v right down so i agree you know i would meet him here. Go down and check out my bare put my tag on it. And i stood up started walking down over the hillside and man i i just had the shakes. Come over me now. This was my second bear. I had already done this before. But there's something about the thrill of the hunt that just overcame. The i'd honestly sit down. Got halfway down the mountain towards us bear. Sit down collect myself. Try not to throw up from the excitement and the adrenaline pumping through my body. And i finally got my crap together. And i walked down to the bare and realize man. This is this is a pretty nice bear at that point. I was thinking you know. It's definitely over two hundred fifty pounds. I didn't know how much bigger it was beyond that. But i filled out my harvest tag. Got it in its ear. And by this point i could see brad up on the hillside making his way down to me. She came down. And you know. We are celebrating hugging share. You know high five in just pumped up that we were fortunate enough to take a bear for the camp and at that moment she said well. Let's let's flip it over and get some pictures when the two of us tried to grab this bear and move it into position for a photo and it. It barely budged. We realized we had a pretty exceptional baron. The ground here in that time managed to get a propped up a little bit some photos. And i decided that i would take pack my gun my pack and all my gear down to the truck and kind of shed some layers. Because i knew the work was just going to get started. So brad sat there with my bare. That moment hiked down at the truck. Got a big group that we keep big burly cord rope that we had used several times in the past forgetting bears out. Hold that back in with me. The plan was to try to take it out live. Full-size drag it out We obviously we're going to need some help. But i got back to the bear. I feel drastic. Took a good forty five minutes. It was a huge bear. Might five frame was swallowed up. Somebody took a picture of me. Field dressing this bear and unlike dwarfed next size of it but finally got a field draft. The other guys made their way to so at this point. We have my father in his late fifties at that time. Our friend jodi who's also in his fifties and then myself brad and bobby all of which were at that time in our mid twenties so the plan was that jodi would go ahead and carry some guns carry packs clear. You know branches. Forest and brad bobby. My dad myself tied basically a tag into the rope to to the to hind legs and recited. We're gonna take it backwards down the creek bed. We affixed four handles on the rope. And let me tell you. If if one person didn't pull that bear didn't we had all kind of go account of one two three hall and we make a good twenty thirty yard run out and then we'd have to catch our breath take a break and then go again and you know being a young guy with an older dad at the time you know. He's still pretty young considering and in good shape at the time but i didn't want to push him So i i actually said that you know are you okay. Do we need to go get help. And he actually got ticked at me. He grabbed a hold of my coat and he said you know what we're getting. This bear out right now. We don't need help. We got this so you know. He was fired out. But i was. I was happy that you he was willing to dig. Digs toes down. This wasn't his first rodeo so convinced that we had what we needed. We all kind of dug in and we were in knee deep water in late november. It was cold. We hold that thing Six hundred yards proximate down this draw to the truck and took a group effort to get it up on the tailgate in the back of the truck. We took it down to the check station in jersey shore. I had taken the in in clinton county and we got down to jersey shore exit and we went to the fire hall there for the check station and when we pull them and people started gathering around the tailgate we pulled the bear out and there was kind of like a murmur in the crowd. Like oh this is. This is a good dare. They got it on the scale and hoisted it up and when they yelled out the measurement they give the dressed weight and the estimated. Liveweight turned out that my estimated live weight was four hundred thirty one pounds And eventually when i got the skull scored. It made pennsylvania record books. It was an exceptional. They're a big male bore and when they pull the tooth the aged and it turned out that it was an nine year. Old eight month old bear. So that's a dare that made it. through many. Many different seasons escaped countless hunters had a couple of snafus with a bb gun toting birdseed watcher based on when we skimmed it out back home and took took the hide off and started butchering. We're shaving away. The layers of fat on its back and right on its hind quarter. I found to. Bb's that somebody actually shot it in the in the rear end with a begun or a pellet gun but we ended up breaking down that bear deboned we froze it and we ended up doing what we always do. Shoot a bear for the camp We slow braves them in red wine and garlic and we serve it to upwards of three hundred people at our annual bear and deer roast. It's kind of like a celebration of the camp that we have every year where we bring the harvest together. Every guy in camp donates one of his dear hindquarters and fortune it to bear that year we all share it with our friends and families up the annual roast. So i was proud to be the only person that actually killed the bear that year for our cat. Unfortunately it was a really big one and held out to feed that many people everybody at least got a taste of it and in reflection. I'm just super thankful that a grown up in a family that embraces the outdoors. The way they do. I have a hunting camp. That's in their country. We've had a lot of success in the past and i'm hopeful that we can continue to have success as well into the future because at the end of the day in that they're sitting there the bear roasts taking a bite of it. It's a little taste. Pennsylvania big woods victory and that's my adventure for food

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A Toxic Turkey Day

HISTORY This Week

27:20 min | 5 months ago

A Toxic Turkey Day

"History this week november twenty fourth nineteen sixty six. I'm sally helm. It's thanksgiving day in new york city and an awkward top-heavy superman balloon is floating down broadway. He's first up in the annual macy's day parade. There are a million people watching the streets moms and hats and mittens kids and checkered coats. There are marching bands ballerinas people waving palm in front of a castle on the toyland float on the flower float. Is the famous nina simone. She thinks the song blue skies but the skies are not blue in new york city. Today they're great. The clouds look dirty and after they leave the parade ballerinas and the marching band musicians and the pom pom waivers. Something might feel a tickle in their throat there is might be stinging they might even find it hard to breathe because while the macy's day parade is happening in midtown manhattan. The city's air laboratory up in harlem is recording extremely high levels of pollution. New yorkers have dealt with pollution before but nothing like this guy over this thanksgiving weekend the smog will turn deadly time all is said and done close to two hundred people will die the killer smog of nineteen sixty sex forces new yorkers and people all around the country to finally pay attention to the air pollution that they were actually breathing all the time. It's hard to talk about. Smog and smoke and air pollution dangerous without reflecting on humans inability to take chronic threats. Seriously there seems to be something about the modern mind that longs for this kind of conduct vision the big disaster rather than the toll. That your lungs. Your is your body supper each. And every day today the apocalyptic vision comes true. How did new york. City's killer thanksgiving smog. Help usher in a new era of environmental protection for the whole country. And how are we still looking at environmental disasters all wrong one for mom and one firm me. 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Starting at thirty dollars a month so make the smart choice and switched to sling tv. Get the best of cable for the best price. It's easy to switch and save things. Mckay me learn more at sling dot com slash. Podcast that is sling dot com slash podcast. He history fans keep up with all the great shows and documentaries on the history channel by signing up for email updates had to history dot com slash email to get updates right to your inbox i to know about premieres sweepstakes jabbour shows and so much more keep up with her of oak island pawn stars american pickers groundbreaking documentaries and warm sign up today at history dot com slash. Email professor frank. You grew up in germany but in the nineteen nineties. He came briefly to live in the united states and it out to la wonderful hometown and also a notoriously smoggy city. You could are has read all about the worst years of smog in the nineteen fifties couldn't stand at a three quarter in those early fifty s and not have watering is. He told us by the time he was there in the early nineteen nineties. Things were much better. Know watering is but still. He got curious about air pollution. He began to look into the history of smoke. And also it's modern cousin. What is smog. This is a term coined by a londoner smog as a combination of smoke and fog which describes the situation in london every nicely. This is ninety four when the treasurer of the coal smoke abatement society in london england sense of christmas day letter to the times of london and with that coal smoke abatement treasurer makes up this word that we still use today. Coal smoke is a problem at this time in london and in other cities to the world industrializing rapidly factories everywhere and a lot of those factories on coal combustion. So if you are living in a city that is becoming a center of industry it was dirty in a way that is barely speak of on nowadays because the smoke was everywhere in the big cities it intruded into private quarters. It was literally in the air everywhere. You can actually see it from outside. The worst kind of dark cloud over a city and people were very much against it but not so much for health reasons mostly due to the fact that the early twentieth century city was unhealthy on so many fronts. This was ranked as a minor issue. You gotta deal with your sewer problems before you deal with your smoke problems. But still people hated the way. That smoke. Just made everything. So dirty and ugly and gross. It's mostly a problem of cleanliness in by extension a problem for property values. It's not for real estate bellies. That's what people are upset about how this would affect their bottom line. Meanwhile the particulates that they're breathing in our very bad for their lungs. You may have seen an image of the black lungs of a city dweller compared to the nice pink lungs of someone who grew up in the country. That's beginning to happen for the first time but doctors epidemiologists won't be aware of this kind of damage for years over the last three decades. We have learned a great deal about how dangerous find us. Actually as to the lots we nowadays no that fine dust is actually among the top ten killers in the world. Its iron new history that we only became aware of how dangerous this is at a time where it was mostly gone into western world but retrospectively. We must say this was a matter of life and death so no one is doing all that much about air pollution or smog. Because it's not seen as a deadly problem but there is a very particular set of circumstances in which smog can be lethal. Smoke becomes a killer particularly when weather conditions impede dispersal off flute and that's usually the results off an inversion layer. An inversion layer. Normally air is warmer close to the earth and it gets colder as you go up. You may have experienced that. If you've ever climbed a mountain you may also know the concept that heat rises so typically warm air is rising up from the earth. Getting colder as it goes up and dispersing and flowing and moving around but sometimes this whole situation gets reversed. Warm air slips on top of cold air. The cold air does is so it's trapped. The warm air acts like a lid basically traps pollutants in the place at the place where they are produced and causes them to accumulate in the atmosphere when this happens pollutants buildup and smog can become deadly in the us. The first major smog event happens in july of nineteen forty three los and our lady the queen of the angels as the spaniard named the fastest growing city in the nation up until the forties had been known for its clean air. If you had to urculo says you went to la to breathe those california breezes and clear out your lungs. but now i've been forty. Three is when the i l. a. Smoke episode comes you at watering. Is your breathing problems. Visibility is terrible. The air smells like bleach and it all comes on suddenly on july twenty sixth. Nobody knows what it is. What is the pollutant. Doesn't come from its world war two so people actually. It might be a japanese gas attack. And this smog is different from london. Smog it's not really about smoke. It's photochemical smog. Where pollutants from card sauced and factory production cause chemical reaction in the atmosphere. That creates this particular. La smog plus la is two inversions because of its top poker graffiti. It's bordered by mountains. But people won't figure all this out for almost a decade the science just isn't there yet thankfully in nineteen forty-three no one in la dies from the smog but five years later in nineteen forty eight. The northern pennsylvania was the biggest air disaster in the united states until new york city in sixty six. This is an industrial community around a river valley don on the industrial town of pennsylvania and brings with it mysterious residents have difficulty in breathing. The murkier rain brings relief but epidemic of pneumonia is in the wake of denaro deadly golf. The valley where dinara sets is ripe for inversions and there are steel mills and sink plants in the area spewing off pollutants on halloween in nineteen forty eight pollutants get so concentrated that the local fire brigade has to go door to door giving people oxygen twenty people died. It's the deadliest toll per capita of any small episode before or since and this gets national attention. These events to at least function gets gets noticed. What happens if the door is that. The federal medical authority is asked to investigate. What happened here. The investigators link the pollution and deaths to noxious fumes coming from the local factories. There are a few lawsuits. But that's what it. There is no legislation to warning system. This is the factory and the factory is calling the shots. Of course the factory makes sure that next time there is an inversion more careful factors. Don't want to kill the neighbors but there are no real consequences for the factories. There's also very little in the way of national or a global effort to prevent disasters like this from happening again and one does happen again in london which remember had invented the term smog in nineteen. Oh four but since that era they kinda gotten off scot free the best guesses maybe they were just lucky for a few decades but then this returns in late nineteen fifty two this will be the deadliest smog ever it also comes from an inversion that traps pollutants released by factories by city residents epidemiologist. Deborah davis wrote that in london quote. Smoke like top water from a million chimneys in the london smog of nine hundred fifty. Two four thousand people died within a few days. The death toll and the filth rose together the killer smog lasts for months. Thousands of people die though it takes a while to entangle. Just how many people die from smog. It's not like the diet immediately. There was no kind of imminent calls the identify but it's a burden on the respiratory system. That may get a heart attack. They be get breathing problems his about the best estimates that we have suggests that twelve thousand people died prematurely during that. Smoke is a nineteen fifty two and this case there is some regulation four years after this killer smog. Britain passes a big law about clean air. Though doctor you says activism had been happening even before the big smog. So the reality is that this flashy moment of action after a disaster was just one piece of larger puzzle which brings us to new york and the united states last killer smog because of a slow drip of activism and reform and scientific progress. New york isn't totally unprepared for something like this by nineteen sixty. Six meteorologists can sort of predict inversions and there are some regional pollution monitoring systems in fact right before the smog. Event happens the. Us senate committee on public works puts out. This video contains a variety of chemical compounds released from a great number of diverse sources of air pollution. Many of these compounds are oxen. Corrosive and irritating under the influence of sunlight warm temperature and water vapor polluting substances. React with each other in the air to produce new compound more destructive and entertaining their original component of chemical marks. Officials are beginning to understand what they're up against but in new york city. The infrastructure still isn't ready for the disaster that is about to strike. There's a city department of air pollution control but they only control things up to the city limits. There's an interstate sanitation commission but they're mostly focusing on water so any kind of framework that you need for comprehensive drives against pollution. It's just bought. Their new york city does have a smog alert system and a way to monitor and measure pollution. There's one lab in an old courthouse in harlem and a few days before thanksgiving. It starts recording elevated levels of air pollution. It's a combination of the everyday pollution in new york city. There's the garbage. There is to car traffic factories. There is the paul plans And there is a weather situation. That kreps these pollution's closest and inversion all this combines to create a deadly smog bubble over new york city the day before a million people are about to flood the streets. You look tired. I take it the caffeine toothpaste and adrenaline face serum aren't working. Well maybe you should ask santa for a nectar mattress this year. And if the big guy brings you another unicorn finger. Puppet don't worry because mattresses start at just four hundred ninety nine dollars and she gets three hundred and ninety nine dollars in accessories thrown in as well as three hundred and sixty-five night home trial and forever warranty go to nick. Sleep dot com today. This episode is supported by candy crush saga candy crush. Saga is the all time favorite match. Three game it's fun and challenging and there are thousands of levels to play through celebrate thanksgiving with candy crush saga with three new missions and in game challenges available starting monday november twenty third lasting until november twenty ninth and remember the more missions you complete the greater the rewards like color bombs and lollipop hammers play candy crush saga now and celebrate your thanksgiving with them. Download from the app store. Google play or window store terms and conditions apply one of the first people to be notified about the high air pollution. Readings in new york is a man named austin heller. He's the city commissioner of control and he has to decide whether to declare a smog alert. There is a such threshold that people look at very closely but is the decision that is taken cautiously shutting down. A city is no small measure. Plus it's thanksgiving the macy's day. Parade is a national spectacle. People are expecting the show to go on the added complication. The mayor of new city is not in town east vacationing in bermuda. So he's far away and second generation is offering this big decision. Heller talks to the deputy mayor various medical experts and scientists and decides. The levels are just low enough that the parade can go on as scheduled. They do take some precautions. Color spends wednesday on the phone with con edison. The city's fewer provider and get them to switch temporarily from fuel oil to cleaner natural gas. All the city owned garbage incinerators get turned off garbage. Incineration is a huge source of pollution. But still new yorkers are starting to notice that something is off it becomes a bodily phenomena people can actually feel they breathe it whenever they go outside even breathe it in their own homes the air dirty to watch my elven today. They never think they claim and how cold after an optical on thanksgiving day a million parade goers plus dancers and to the players and people holding the strings of giant superman balloons. They all come out for the macy's day parade and as the day goes by the air. Quality gets worse that night. Commissioner heller calls inspectors away from their thanksgiving dinners to go around the city and tried to crack down on any pollution violations and around one. Am the city finally issues. A smog alert. Nothing every episode. It's a warning that issued rebound kosher switch off garbage incinerators. Some hospitals are reporting increased numbers of patients coming in with asthma and other lung problems. Doctors tell people not to wear their contact lenses outside. An allergist says that kids under two should stay at home. The new york times reports on a site that in the age of coronavirus is totally commonplace. But in that woman it was novel. A woman was walking through midtown manhattan in a surgical mask on saturday. Finally the weather changes this cold front coming that ends this up normal inversion layer and finding the air can disperse in the end. A task force calculates that the death toll from the smog was one hundred sixty eight people so not nearly as high as the london smog. Or as deadly per. Capita as the nora smog. But this happens in a major. Us city during a major holiday it gets a ton of press coverage and by this point nine hundred sixty six. The dangers of air pollution are better understood. So it's becoming clear to the public that the current approach to pollution just isn't working much city every state finding its own system and often under the control off paul industries in new york. There's pretty quick action. at the city. Level they strengthen the pollution guidelines in the city administrative that lab in harlem gets an upgrade and the city announces that they plan to open thirty six more locations to monitor air quality. They buy fancy new computer system. So that all those labs can communicate with each other but it's still just local. You need tougher action. You need action. That targets at our region or the entire nation president lyndon johnson is also under pressure. He sends a message to congress in which he talks at length about the new york smog of nineteen sixty six. He says the country needs legislative action and nineteen sixty seven. He gets it. He signs the clean air act into law but it ends up not being bad. Effective regulation is still left up to the states and some of them. Don't do all that much a few years later. And a supreme court decision chief justice rehnquist calls state response to the law quote disappointing but in one thousand nine hundred seventy under the nixon administration. A new version of the clean air act passes and eat moves pollution protections more fully under the control of the federal government. So it's a shift from a patchwork of local and state regulations to us. Let's say halfway uniform. National approach to boost problems the environmental protection agency. The epa is founded in december of the same year among other things it helps implement the requirements of the clean air act and finally almost seventy years after the term was coined across the pond. Smog in the us starts to significantly decrease. There are a lot of things that led to this big moment of environmental action in nineteen seventy but one of them is this flashpoint in nineteen sixty six when smog was so visible and deadly a lot of people. Watch the macy's day parade on tv. A lot more people read about it and that helped spur action or do you realize what catches the public imagination to ease is asked the acute showed something you can see something you can respond directly and something that you can quantify in precise number something that is very important to the soul of modern people doctor. You could have reminded us over and over the story. That one big disaster spurs one big law. That fixes everything. That just isn't right. After nineteen seventy there are still lots of court bottles and wrangling back and forth over these regulations scientific progress please a big role in bringing air pollution down and that takes time and the regulation that we've been talking about is mostly in the. Us there are other cities around the world. That continue to have major smog. Problems up to the present day solutions. Just don't come all at once. There's always this kind of consoling narrative that comes into place with each disaster. Now we will learn from this disaster notes more disasters or any more like it opens political correctness for some time. But the moment passes swell sooner than you wish. We are forgetful people when it comes to the disastrous and we be wary about these kind of smooth narrative. There is no silver bullet for any of these pollution province anymore. Thanks for listening to history this week for moments throughout history that are also worth watching. Check your local tv listings to find out. What's on the history channel today and for history anytime anywhere sign up for a seven-day free trial of history vault where you can stream over two thousand award. Winning documentaries and series from your favorite ice with new videos added every week start your free trial visit. History vault dot com forward slash podcast. Today this episode was produced by mckanie. 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Thor Christiansen

Murder Minute

21:49 min | 1 year ago

Thor Christiansen

"Starving thank you for listening to the starbucks audio podcast network. We have so many great comedy shows to add to your playlist just last week on Star. Burns audio on dumb gay politics. Julian Brandy talked to fellow Bravo. Levity Cheyenne Shea about all the drama happening this season on Van. Pump rules on ghosted by Roz dress. Celeste Rose Welcomes Jack Osborne to talk about his paranormal show portals to hell and some ghostly experiences at home with his family on that Jackie and her guests Laura Wilcox get intimate and talk all about eight hygiene on your ever. David Hampton read listener stories. Well being banned from a place searched Auburn's audio on apple podcasts spotify for any podcast platform for a full list of our shows featuring host like Joe boy the sklar brothers and Miss Pat. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and twitter at starburst audio. Enjoy the show and remember. Stay safe stay healthy and keep laughing. Welcome to murder minute today. The story of a serial killer from solving but I your true crime headlines The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania has set an execution date for cop killer. Eric Frene who has been on death row since his first degree murder conviction for the ambush of two state troopers outside of their barracks and two thousand. Fourteen Frene attempted to appeal his conviction. But it was upheld by Pennsylvania's Superior Court and Supreme Court on January thirteenth of this year the US Supreme Court declared to hear his appeal by law. The Commonwealth is required to seek an execution warrant within ninety days of the High Court's decision though his execution is set for June twenty second free and will not be put to death on that date due to a moratorium on capital punishment which has been in place in Pennsylvania since two thousand fifteen since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in nineteen seventy. Six Pennsylvania has executed three condemned prisoners the most recent occurring in nineteen ninety nine a fifty one year old father is in custody facing more than twenty charges including rape and deviate sexual intercourse for the alleged sexual assault of his daughter and stepdaughter Pennsylvania. State police said that the investigation which was launched in early May spans from two thousand six to two thousand and twenty and involves two victims age. Twelve and twenty both female victims report repeated abuse at the hands of Jason Daniel Goodwill who is the father of one and the stepfather of the other. The twenty year old victim told police that she believes that goodwill had impregnated her multiple times then administered chemicals to terminate pregnancies. She also told police that she gave birth to a child in two thousand fourteen and that goodwill took the child who eventually died and was buried on his property in northern Pennsylvania state police investigators confirm to local news outlets that they had served a search warrant at the home and recovered. Evidence in connection to the death of a child goodwill was denied bond and is being held in the Erie County Prison. His preliminary hearing scheduled for later this month. A family member of the accused killers of Ahmad arbitrary. Took a photo of the murdered. Man's body lying in the street then shared it online. According to the Sun Lindsey McMichael is the sister of thirty four year old Travis McMichael and daughter of sixty four year old Gregory McMichael. The two men charged with first degree murder for the shooting. Death of arbitrary. Who was gunned down while jogging through his Georgia neighborhood. Last February on the day of his murderer MS McMichael took a photo of arborist dead body lying in a pool of blood in the street surrounded by police tape and then she shared that photo on snapchat MS McMichael concedes that sharing the photo was quote Unquote Poor judgment but explains that she did so because she is a quote huge fan of true crime. Gregory and Travis McMichael chased Ahmad arbitrary in their truck and confronted him because they reportedly believed that he was responsible for some robberies in their neighborhood. The case drew national attention and national outrage. After local authorities failed to press charges for more than two months after the broad day. Shooting of Berry a black man who was unarmed and out for a jog when he was shot and killed. Gregory McMichael is a former law enforcement officer who worked as an investigator for the local district attorney's office before his retirement in two thousand nineteen because of potential conflicts of interest. The first two district attorneys assigned to this case both recused themselves. It was only after video of the confrontation was released that the Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case and filed first degree murder charges against the father and Son Lindsay. Mcmichael says that she and her mother have received death threats since the shooting which she claims was not racially motivated. Her brother and father are being held without bond at the Glenn. County detention center at the request of very family the US Justice Department is considering federal hate crime charges against the McMichael's and the FBI will assist if those charges are filed. Georgia is only one of six states without hate crime laws at the state level. Next up a case of serial murderers of California women in the Nineteen Seventies. But first quick break. Have you been thinking about talking to someone? Perhaps some things interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals. 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Friends was twenty one years old and studying psychology at the University of California Santa Barbara when she made headlines in a horrific way. But that wasn't the first time she became known in her community. The professional actress and Juggler infused her bright personality into volunteer work and supporting local organizations. A Credit Union. A food co-op a medical clinic. Many people knew her that January. She was preparing to perform as Wendy in Peter Pan Production. She couldn't have known that an eerie parallel was about to be drawn between her story and Wendy's to strong women captured by a vicious man. Peter Pan Wendy never stops Peter will save her in patties case. No one knew she'd been captured until it was too late weeks before. Patty went missing two other. Women were plucked from the Isla Vista Street. Jacqueline Roque also twenty one and A. Ucsb student told her friends she had gone shopping and never returned then. Marianne Sarah's a nineteen year old waitress vanished after an appointment at health center. Both women had presumably been hitchhiking which was commonplace. Then when Patty learned of these abductions she joined others in protest to raise awareness and carry signs touting messages like free bus service for those in need and night service on all buses. If the women could have hopped a bus with their fate have been different women. Drivers were urged to quote pickup. A sister eager to help patty handed out missing person fliers featuring Jacqueline and Marianne then one night she left play. Practice for a class hitching a ride from a young man who seemed harmless in broad daylight or perhaps forced her away from the bus stop where she was last seen when she failed to show up for her Peter Pan Performance. Her friends knew something was terribly wrong. Decades later her close friend and cast mate. Ron Bender still choked up talking about Patty in the two thousand thirteen British TV series born to kill. He said it's weird when you have a friend. Were there rehearsing twice a week? And all of a sudden. They're just not there anymore. They're gone he and Patty were close. He said talking about her as though they had been rehearsing lines together just yesterday the day after her disappearance. Undo deputy driving near Raphia road. Near President Reagan's property when he spotted her stripped body dumped in a canyon. While canvassing the area a half mile away investigators found the body of Jacqueline Rook. Near One of the bodies detectives found Thick restaurant style. Paper towels coated in blood. The blood contains fingerprints but no match came up in the database two months later Mary. Sarah's is badly decomposed remains were found in another canyon just north of Santa Barbara. Three women have been killed with a pistol by one shot to the head. Police also believed they had been raped around the same time in the same area. A young man named Thorpe Christianson was found drinking and smoking marijuana with some of his buddies in his body. Police asked them all to step out of the car so they could search it. Christianson seemed adamant about not letting police see inside his trunk but eventually he caved inside. They found a large bag holding a pistol. The student strike them as odd. Given that many people had guns in the rural area. They confiscated the weapon but didn't put Christians on the suspect list as news spread of the murders including FBI PROFILE. That described a young male loner. Police were on the lookout for the killer. Changed things up. He left the quaint rural town for the bright lights of Los Angeles. Trolling for sex workers to fulfill his violent needs. One of those women a prostitute named Lydia Preston would help lead investigators to his capture. Lydia was walking on Hollywood boulevard. One night when the man propositioned her they settle on a rate and she climbed into his pristine car. He made small talk as he drove claiming he was a construction worker from Santa Barbara. Meanwhile Lidia pointed out hotel after hotel. They could stop it for her services. He passed them all continuing his ramble. Then he drove off of the city streets into the Hollywood hills where the streets curve between lush nature and Pricey homes. Little is visible at night as darkness sets in. No one was around to witness as he pulled out a gun and shot her in the head still alive and determined to stay that way. Lydia grabbed the wheel of his car. Making it swerve then. She fled from the vehicle and managed to reach the front door of a house. Someone answered and called Nine. One one as medics rushed to home. The assailant fled. Lydia was left with scars and deafness in one ear but no brain damage and three months later. She was back to work on Hollywood boulevard. One night she was in a bar during a shift when she spotted her attacker near the entrance she called the police from a payphone at the back of the venue staying there while they put her on hold and the man who haunted her nightmares made his way further inside when the operator returned she filled them in the man who shot her in the head was within walking distance and yes she was certain it was him quickly. Investigators saw similarities between her attack. And the three murderers in Santa Barbara area. The victims were all young women with similar. Looks all were picked up by a stranger who seemed not only violent but potentially sexually sadistic and they were all shot in the head with the same type of weapon in searching. La Detectives discovered that the suspect had been on the killing spree there as well. They found the body of sex worker. Laura Benjamin in a canyon where she had been for weeks. The suspect was thor Christianson. The man who gun had been confiscated by police after a night of partying in his car looking into his history they learned had grown up in solving after his family emigrated to the US from Denmark. When he was five years old his parents owned and ran a successful restaurant in town. Which explains the paper towels and his expensive car when friends of the Keller learned he had been arrested. They were stunned until they started putting the pieces together. Christianson had seemed like a good smart kid early on they said but over time he showed signs of inner darkness. He drank alcohol from a very young age killed. Small animals more than once and seemed socially awkward in his teens. Especially when it came to girls some claims that his alcoholic father routinely beat him in born to kill. One of his friends said he would return from his John's to Los Angeles bragging and all lit up over the supposed incredible sexy. It had with hookers looking back. That friend said he wonders if he was truly getting off on the murderers soon. Police would learn more grisly details about the man's crimes including what he did. Get off on power and control at first Christian pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity but after analysis indicated he was seen enough to stand trial. He changed his plea to guilty. A man named Mike Kirkman who had been leading the investigation for the missing women had left the sheriffs department by this point and was working for the Defense Christianson requested him so he drove to the jail to meet with him while they had spoken before. Kirkman had never witnessed this side of the man. His entire face changed as he detailed his crimes which he claimed he had committed because quote. The girls deserved it. Among the details. He shared that he raped them. Post mortem having sex with corpses as though to signify that he owned them. Kirkman is now known for finding missing people according to Las Vegas. Detectives one has to wonder if interviewing the victims families feeling the depth of their pain and then witnessing the killers crew arrogance led him to that specialty. Of course contrary to what he believed. Christianson did not own has victims twenty one year old Jacqueline Roque nineteen year old Marianne. Sarah's twenty one year old Patricia Patty Laney and twenty two year old. Laura Benjamin are remembered not for the way they died but for who they were as people the lives they lived until then they were daughters. Sisters students friends people with dreams who contributed to a society? Patty's close friend and Peter Pan Cast Mate Ron Bender. Wanted to do something special in her honor to keep her bright spirit alive since she was a juggler. Ron Helped create a jugglers festival patties. Honor the Santa Barbara Jugglers Festival is considered the longest juggling festival held in a single location and prophet support. The Santa Barbara Rape Crisis Center even decades after her death. Patty making a difference at one point in Peter Pan. The main character says never say goodbye because goodbye immunes going away and going away means forgetting. Patty never had a chance to say goodbye but like the other victims in this case she will never be forgotten as Christianson. He was killed by a fellow inmate at folsom state prison. In Nineteen eighty-one. This has been murder minutes for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute or follow us on Instagram at murder minute.

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62: Faith Popcorn, futurist, talks about the next decade

Technotopia

22:20 min | 11 months ago

62: Faith Popcorn, futurist, talks about the next decade

"Welcome back to the podcasts future. I'm just big. Shall we have the founders of ever widening circles? This is technophobia. This episode of Technophobia is sponsored by chief transcription. Dot Io cheap transportation offers ten cents per minute. Transcription using are happy robots, eighty five cents per minute using our human assistance. Cheap transcription io is cheaper and faster than everyone else. Cheap transcription dot I. This episode of Technophobe is brought to you by typewriter dot plus typewriter dot pluses, a full-service editorial agency that brings amazing editor's from places like The New York Times and techcrunch to work on your writing. Need a blog post white paper presentation. The typewriter team ripe for edit anything on nearly any top visit them at typewriter dot, plus for free quote. That's typewriter, thought plus typewriter dot plus. Welcome back to toby. The podcast about a better future I'm joined by faith popcorn. You're. Writer you're a you're. Futurist your marketing expert I'm a huge fan. Welcome to the show faith again. this is This is actually kind of surreal, but it's but I remember reading you as a as a youngster and and it's great to have you on What are you working? Well you know. What we do. We're hired to do for mainland. Fortune. Two hundred is to say you know to. You know people think I'm alone in a phone booth with the Cape, but I'm not have a company and you know. We're hired to say. Well. IBM or well American Express or welcome Kit. This is what the future's going to look like. We know that we know that because you know just looking at a website faith, popcorn dot, com, you'll see seventeen trends is like the oculus. You can look through those and you'll know what's going to happen in the future, so. So we come into an assignment knowing what's going to happen, but not necessarily for this particular client. How do they leverage it? And that's our work. How do you take what's going to be happening is shore. And have you you know what does that mean to your brand at your company or Whatever that is our work. So, for instance I mean like one of the old stories is we tell the hired for Kodak to say what's The future film? PERFECT ASSIGNMENT FOR US And we worked doing worked in. Into what you'd expect an interview. The stakeholders into the consumerism brainstormed and everything, and we came back and I'm. We always believed that you really should set? Be Able to say it like in a sentence and be able to write it on your hand if you've really done the right work behind it. We said the future film is digital. and. They said we asked you just in this way in Rochester with greasy hair. And all white man, they said we ask the future of film is. He said it's digital now now now with the future of film film F I L. I don't think you understood I I understood, it's digital and they go. Can you please excuse us? That was that we. I mean we're that. Was it never heard from again? But then nobody ever heard from them again because it's very hard to hear the future. You know I mean what's the future for a Home Depot? It's going to be rentals because for millennials anyway. Nobody wants to buy a home rentals one I mean millennials want experience. Not Mortgages Molina's wine a whole the whole. If they want to hang something on the wall, not the drill. Like float through burden lists and You, know I think we were the first to say that the and then facebook back to Suppo- so happy. seventy-one gender types some facebook you know. We told this to like a very large packaged goods company, and he said head of HR. Does that mean I have to build seventy-one bathrooms SNARK. No, just one bathroom. Just one everyone can go to. He said I'll you know so? People get really angry. They feel like it's an attack if you tell them, what's you know a lot of times? It's going to happen. But we've had some success. But. Does that's so. How do you do that? How do you tell somebody who's who? By dentists their stay now, everything else thinks they know everybody by dente. Their financial situation identity experience etc. How do you tell them? The bad news that that film is being replaced by digital? Some my father was a a criminal lawyer. In New York. And, he taught me how to build a circumstantial case because you cannot prove the future, so you show them. You know one of the things we do is. We do bad casting which is looking to the far future. Let's say nineteen, twenty, thirty, five and back casting to the present, so as a looked your agreeing thirty is going to be this. And it has her little risk attached and go. Yes, yeah, I can see that you know we back it up and. Talk about technology, we have future S. we have ten thousand futures all over the world and Blah Blah Blah. Then we come back to the present, and we show them how that vision futures starts now. And you know when I sometimes give talks. It's really fun I, go I tell him the future starts now. And then I make them say it. and I say when does the future stars who now wonders if you just start now so every second? The future you're were in your past and it's starting now and you have to do things now. That will meet your future time line if you agree where the time line is and what's going to happen, the toughest thing in future ISM is to know how fast the rollout is going. How fast and and that means you look for indicators along the path? At least you're on the right road. Some person from Maine said. If you don't know where you're going, every road leads there. So. At least we helped like where you're going. Okay, okay now let's watch the road and see how you know. HOW FAST DEVELOPED NOBODY! We just came off an assignment where we painted like the future and we said. All? Food will be delivered home. We told that to P. and G. and nineteen eighty. By the way they didn't care for that, but offered will be delivered home telemedicine home, everything home education home. Nobody's GonNa want to go out. There is going to be polluted. The political situation is going to be worn the street that dot. And they go you look you've got. You've got to scrub this deck. This was only last February. You GotTa Scrub this deck and make it less apocalyptic. I. Go okay. I scrubbed it up a little bit. You know presented this. That's better, okay and then covert hit, and they call me and say. Could you put that stuff back in Oma Gosh because what Kobe did was compressed the future It just compressed it. Because Bill Gates was talking about a virus in two thousand fifteen. I mean that's five year I mean people don't. Not What is it called Nimby not in my backyard. Yeah Not GonNa Happen here. You know China not here, but here is everywhere. I mean obviously we're all connected, and if it's happening, it's going to happen in another. Are we creating a or creating economy and terms of? In terms of humanity people like I guess us, let's say and listeners who who do believe in the potential for a dystopia. And those who? Refuse to accept it. you know so funny I was talking to these guys at run some buildings. Buildings and I said. How you think is going to go. It's going to be okay like June, July you know I can see where people are paying their rent. maybe sixty percent seventy percent said June or July. What about how about just being conservative in two years? And they said No. Let's June July. Finding kidding really so. People don't like to. They get very very scared to look ahead. I'm doing a Webinar when it is. We just We just did it with my friend from Campbell. Soup Doug Conan who is chairman and I was telling you when we weren't recording which we created the Goodness Company for Candle Campbell's because it was such a good company so sweet so nice and the in good triplets and everything. and. So he he really understands goodness very good person, and then a guy named. You might want to interview him. He's very intelligent. Doctor Harold Koplowitz whose head of the Child Mind Institute Spot, child, psychiatrist, and the name of the podcast is particularly on his whereas my blankie Because, everybody is looking for a blanket, you WANNA blanket food, you WANNA blankie in people. Let me, see, I. You you just want to feel safe and secure. And it's it's getting harder I'm just going to get into some harder and harder to do. So whereas my blanket, where's your blankie? John. Where's my blankie? My blankie is thinking that it's not going to be so awful. I guess. Is the is going to be so awful for you. because. You are. Not. A group of group that is going to be awful for. Let me put it that way. You know there's a tremendous divide while we're working on five G. with companies right people haven't hit Tucci. Wasn't for a company that you know like comcast. I mean they service of those places with two g nothing. So I think It's to be the great divide. and. If I were on the other side, and that was kind of brought up in the street a bit on the East village. and. You know where you learn not to look anybody. Don't look anybody in the eye, and then you know gangland a bit and Certain people and you've met them. Decide. They have got to get out of there. They have got to. CLIMB UP, An American I say is still one of the places it's not a caste system and you can. It's not easy, but lift yourself out of that and. You know. That's. What I did, and that's what I would do if I were them and I'm not saying it's easy. But he is gonNA fall further and further behind down there. Is. There and I asked Richard Florida this. Is there any hope for some a town like like Morgantown West Virginia? My grandmother grew up across from across the river from wheeling. For example is there hope for those small places out in the middle of at the middle of America. Well tell me about that place 'cause I. Don't know it so i. don't be so like wheeling wheeling for example is. Is pretty much in the Meth, belt? It's a little bit. It's the Lancaster and all these all the city's up or the town's, nor in northern Pennsylvania, and then over into West Virginia, the panhandle, and the edges of Ohio or or that's the rust belt, former, the rust belt, and then turn into the meth belt right right. So, then math belt as in methodists or down. AS OPIATES OPIATES, I'll be okay. So so the so the question, the question I've always had is do I ever get to recreate. Do my children ever get to recreate the joy of like running around in a wide open field out in the middle of the middle of Martins Ferry Ohio in the in the shadow of a of a dead steel mill, but in a town that's still kinda vibrant. That has a little store that has little library that has a tax base. Etcetera Etcetera does that still exists or does that go away, or are we rebuilding that right now? Thanks to cove it. Actually I think that that's the. The American Dream not not the dream of getting well. There are many American dreams of course, but like in the sixties it was six sixties. It was like you know getting your house in Levittown. That looks like everybody else getting on the train and going to work wearing tie and going to work at IBM whatever I think, people are like hankering hungering for those towns like up here in Hudson New York or even above that and I think that people have learned through this thing that maybe they don't have to live in the big bad city. Maybe they can do their work further away. And I think a lot of people in this time research. Is this the work? I really want to do. do I have the privilege of jumping out of it and doing something else, and you have less and less I. Guess Flexibility More and more responsibility. You have lots of kids, but yeah, no I think that little town is going to be iconic and beautiful So it's, it's coming back or never left. Left left coming back. I think it will come back I think people take a deep sigh of relief when they walk into town like that. Go really nobody's like yelling at me and. Can Go buy something and you know my kid. I have my twenty two year old. She goes to Wash U. IN SAINT LOUIS. When she said, I, keep saying come home, come home. You know because we're a sixth generation New Yorkers. East village tough people. And she says money. When they say hello in Saint Louis. They mean it I love it. Came into Western, and what did I do wrong? So Yeah? I'm from Ohio so I came here in one of pure products that the American Midwest came here and got me I guess. I don't know what you don't look to. Sweet I think what I know. You told me you year, but what month are you? May. What may tenth! I knew it I knew what you should have made me guess. I may eleven O C. Tar We're both. We're both both slow and steady. Taurus they say we're stubborn, but I say we're not. We're just right. I think so yeah. We're slow to anger, but once, but once we get there then we're each year I. Forget it. Give me I i. always ask this and with you. This is kind of dangerous because it might last for. The might require court. What what is what is the? What does the world look like in ten years? In ten years. We've recovered. I think it might take close to that. I think that in ten years. You know. In you know better than I specifically but technology. You know we'll have. Really entered our workspace. Our life space our bodies and our hearts. So you know there's a guy in Japan. I can send you the video if you want. He married this little. Like little doll, she's program to talk in. He's so happy with her, so we're looking at robotic companions, you know. Can you imagine walking through the door and the Hey John? Martini perfect very dry. Everything perfect start looking at the Rumba, the vacuum cleaner write, and and then project that everything's GonNa be like that so I. Think also I think embedded technology is going to be. Don't shoot the Messenger but. People are putting chips in their fingers ready to get into doors, which is so nice I mean I. It was keep it was so happy I always lost my key. Now it's going to be like a little chip like in in years and years. That series Her phone is in her hand, and she's twenty thirty. Yeah, take a look at that you know she. It's embedded uploaded consciousness. I think that we're going to have taken. It's not going to go back to sweet nineteen fifties. In the the the little town you're talking about is gonNA. Be Like Disney tried to do this and they fail right. Yes, it was actually brilliant, but it couldn't pull it off. There's going to be little celebrations like like you can go to this town. All how cute! How cute, but everything's going to be so ticked up. Yes, driverless cars, of course anybody that says they won't be driverless cars, just smoking, dope or living in Detroit or whatever? But no, it's just going to be a technological future. No screens a communication and that's I. Think that's what Yulon. Musk is doing in annual communication with rain. Just every no screens like everything on the walls. Maybe small spaces that can change you know pods that can change everything that seems like cartoons you know is going to be here and that's a decade for hours at a little bit longer. It's not too long too long. How? A lot of it's happening, just not noticing. Evolution happens like little drops of you know. We are evolving into machines. This is our. Times evolution. In how evolution you know was! This is our time so and maybe machines that can survive the decimation of the planet. 'cause the decimation of the planet is happening I have to report in. And it's while somebody the Times. Did this wonderful magazines at horrible? Wonderful Saint Nineteen. Seventy eight was last time it could be turned around. Help that's not true. I think it might be true. So we're going to have to survive, pollution is in a colder darker may be place. People are buying bunkers. Really in the you know that rich people. And, I think they'll be food Like you know big spaces where you know, they'll be accompanied that stores food, right and like you pay a monthly. Membership! And if anything hits your, you have access to what no more looking around for toilet paper. It's going to be. Delivered to you. Yes, little. God signing shoulders. You know we did. If anybody tries to attack, you know. Little things. Yup. I'm sorry. No, it's all right. It's all right. It's not a it's not. It's not awful, sounds A. IT sounds just about right I guess I mean we're not going to. Go to war with technological wars. It's so barbaric that people going in fight when you can have computers going in fight. Technology is the is the only differentiator between you and the enemy, which is kinda scary because everybody makes the same stuff at this point. Somebody's going to you know somebody's going to Excel I. Think and then you know one of the things you know how. We have all these ethical and big quotes. You know where we can build a human. Let's say you know. But don't you know? Aren't you sure I would bet my farm on it? I. Don't have a form. That somebody's building a human of course. We're going to be able to build an program humans. You know just definitely. Already like the understanding Geno. So, but then they're going to be replanted on body parts. I think Eli. Musk is working on that, too. You know you go in for spine. Spine replacement. So you're you're you're on the? That's almost a cyberpunk attitude where. Are the entire world is we have replacement parts for everything, computers, computers, cell phones, and our on our spleens I guess yeah, but we won't have to make any phone calls. It was going to be great because fixes. This you ever try to get a tech guy on the. We'll get some mental butts. Popcorn this has been. This has been amazing. We went a little bit over time, but it was definitely worth it. My pleasure was so much fun to me. You I heard. Everybody likes you a now I. See why oh wonderful! That's got a lovely lovely. So I hope someday. I get to help you in person. The Hudson. One thing all over good. This has been technophobia. I'm John Biggs thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Dopey has brought to you by happy. Fun Corp Happy Funk design. Driven Technology Company in. Brooklyn New York that specializes building, mobile and web applications for startups and fortune five hundred companies. Whether. 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ARP192 The Wyoming Valley Massacre

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29:55 min | Last month

ARP192 The Wyoming Valley Massacre

"Thank you for joining the american revolution today. Episode one ninety two the wyoming valley massacre after the british evacuated philadelphia. They consolidated their forces around new york city by early july. Seventeen seventy eight. General clinton's army was still settling into new york. Following the battle of monmouth in northern new jersey. General washington moved his continentals into camps in northern new jersey where they could challenge any movements by the british out of new york city. Although the british regulars were taking up defensive positions that did not mean. Americans were safe from attack. British agents had been trying to encourage indian tribes in canada and upstate new york and along the western frontiers to support the kings efforts to suppress the rebellion. The british warren tribal leaders that unchecked the colonists would take more of their tribal land they also gave some tribes hope of reclaiming lands that had been taken from them especially to tribes. Who helped the king during this rebellion. Back in episodes one fifty one and fifty two. I talked about the mostly native american force. That was assembled. under general. Barry saint leger to assist burgoyne army by capturing ford stan wicks in western new york. That army plan to meet up with the main british army at albany the patriot militia. Stop this advance at oriskany. Then general benedict. Arnold forced the british and their native allies at fort. Stan wicks to flee back to canada that however was only one setback in a larger effort to use local tribes. British agents remained active all along the frontier trying to encourage warriors to join in a continuing campaign against the rebels. One such agent was colonel. John butler who would go on to form butler's rangers butler had been born in connecticut but moved to upstate. New york as a boy is father. Who held a commission. As captain in the british army settled the family in the mohawk valley as a teenager butler had interacted with native tribes. Getting involved in the for trade. He learned to speak several native languages and often found work as an interpreter. In seventeen fifty five. He received a commission as a captain in the newly created indian department of the british government during the french and indian war. Bilour had served as an officer under indian agent. Sir william johnson commanding a native american force of mostly iroquois warriors following the war butlers venture in for trading and farming had put him at the head of a wealthy and powerful family in the region. By the seventeen seventy s butler had become a prosperous landowner with over twenty six thousand acres the second largest landowner in the area next only to sir william johnson bilour had become a pillar of the community. He served as a judge as representative to the colonial legislature. And lieutenant colonel. In the tryon county militia. After william johnson's deaf and after johnson successor guy johnson traveled to london for an extended. Time butler became acting superintendent of the iroquois six nations when the revolution began butler spoke up as a leading loyalist. He soon had to flee to canada to avoid capture by patriots. Although his wife and several of his children were captured his family would remain in custody for nearly five years until they reunited in seventeen eighty one as part of a prisoner exchange a going from respected community leader to war refugee only made butler eager to bring the fight back to new york and put down the rebellion. When the war began british policy was to keep native tribes neutral or to use them primarily as scouts butler was an early advocate of using loyal tribes. Like the koi as warriors in battle by seventeen seventy. Six butler was organizing loyalists and natives to assist with resistance to the continental army's invasion of canada. In seventeen seventy seven. He helped to organize the warriors. Who marched with general st leger to capture fort stan wicks and he was involved in the battle of risk any and the subsequent retreat following the army's withdrawal to canada butler traveled to quebec. Their general guy carleton commissioned him to maintain a permanent regiment of loyalist butler organiz both refugees from new york as well as native warriors and the regiment tone as polars rangers following the capture of coins. Army butler's rangers went into winter camp around niagara with plans to go on the offensive. The following spring the entry of france into the war and london's decision to evacuate philadelphia and go on the defensive did nothing to deter butler from launching an offensive with his native forces in the spring. Seventeen seventy eight bay. Look south for possible targets to strike. The wyoming valley is a large area in what is today northeastern pennsylvania around modern day. Scranton at the time control of this area was still a matter of dispute between pennsylvania and connecticut. During the colonial era royal charters often gave vague or contradictory information on borders of various colonies as a result. Colonists often had to fight to assert their legal claims to land connecticut claim that it was entitled to all of what is today northern pennsylvania and even parts of what is today northern ohio indiana and illinois at the same time pennsylvania had claimed all of that same land as well as most of what is today western new york king charles. The second had granted this land to connecticut back when the dutch still controlled new netherlands. What later became new york. The grant seemed to be an attempt to challenge dutch control of the area after the british took new york. This grant mattered much less to those in london. Since these lands were all now british colony's near the end of his reign. Charles the second granted much of the same territory to william penn. Since at the time the area was controlled by the susquehanna indians. No colonists were really moving there anyway. Although the iroquois lived further north in new york they asserted control over the natives. Who were living in the wyoming valley. Those tribes living in the area were not members of the six nations but they did speak iroquois in asserting its claims to the land connecticut. Deal with the erc. Oy for control of the wyoming valley and the right to settle there. They signed the agreement just before the french and indian war began with the outbreak of that war. Connecticut did not really try to settle that area near the end of the war. The local delaware under td using resisted encroachment by settlers. I discussed those events way back in episode eighteen. T do you. Sing was attempting to broker a deal with pennsylvania to keep the valley for the local tribes after td using was killed probably by fellow indians who opposed his attempts to start a war is son massacred a small outpost of about forty connecticut settlers in the valley the attackers tortured and then murdered ten of the men to send a message that settlers were not welcome there. The attack had its intended effect as connecticut did not send any more settlers in the years following the war later. The iroquois reneged on the deal with connecticut and sold the land once again to pennsylvania colonists from pennsylvania known as mites again to settle the wyoming valley the seventeen sixties mostly in relatively isolated farms along the susquehanna river alarmed by this development connecticut yankees once again. Form their own colonization plan. Establishing the town of wilkes-barre in seventeen sixty seven this kicked off. What is known as the first peta. My yankee war in seventeen sixty nine. Pennsylvania militia tried to force the connecticut settlers to leave both sides established forts had guns and tried to force their will on the other. But it wasn't really a full-scale war. Only three people were killed over the course of two years. The violence however once again largely deterred further immigration from connecticut. In seventeen seventy one king george. The third confirmed connecticut's claim to the land. Things remained relatively calm for a few years. Then in seventeen. Seventy three with the support of the king's privy council ruling connecticut's sent another group of colonists who founded the town of westmoreland once again kinda mites resisted what they saw as an incursion on land that they owned in seventeen seventy five. The fighting flared up again in what became known as the second peta. My yankee war. On christmas day. Seventeen seventy five. A of might force of about six hundred militia attacked a connecticut fort at what became known as the battle of rampart. Rocks the yankee defenders managed to hold off the assault and keep their position. This inspired the connecticut legislature to establish moorland county which soon grew to a population of over three thousand connecticut. Transplants when the revolution began most of the connecticut yankees joined with the patriots while the penalites largely backed the loyalists aware of this division. Colonel butler attempted to recruit panama lewis to attack the connecticut outposts in the wyoming valley when local loyalists combined with butler's rangers who were new york loyalists and with the seneca and delaware warriors. They created a pretty imposing force for the region. Connecticut militia in the wyoming valley had four forts with only a few hundred militia to garrison them in times of emergency. These were wilkes barra. Forty winter moot and jenkins none of these forts were of substantial size to fight off large. These were more stock. Aids designed to provide some protection against smaller attacks that were common in the ongoing fighting between the yankees and panama. It's the patriots in the area. Were already at lower strength. Many of the connecticut militia in the area had volunteered with the continental army and were off fighting in new jersey. those who remained behind or often younger or older men who could not endure the longer military campaigns this reduce militia would quickly find itself. Well outnumbered on june twenty eighth the same day as the battle of monmouth and advance team from butler's column attacked a grist mill capturing later killing three locals a few days later butler's force of over six hundred men arrived supported by another four hundred or so local penn might loyalists butler's first action in the area was to demand the surrender of fort winter. Move the garrison had to surrender their arms and supplies but were then permitted to leave on the promise that they would not take up arms for the remainder of the war. The small garrison surrendered the fort and departed following. That butler sent a message to nearby fort. Forty two men the surrender of that garrison as well in case you're wondering for forty was named for the forty settlers from connecticut who had built at us earlier at ford forty colonel zebulon butler no relation to the british commander jon butler commanded a militia force of three hundred fifty two four hundred patriots. Zabulov was also a veteran of the french and indian war. He had come to the wyoming valley in seventeen sixty nine from connecticut. He had fought the penalites in earlier. Disputes capturing fort wyoming in seventeen seventy one and leading the successful defense at rampart rocks in seventeen. Seventy five at this time. Zevulun butler was actually a continental colonel from the second connecticut regiment. He happened to be home on leave and was attempting to recruit more volunteers for the continental army when the war came to his home in the wyoming valley given his rank and experience. Tabula took command of the efforts to defend against the invasion at a council of war. The more senior officers wanted to wait for more reinforcements. Others however wanted to attack right away as i said most of the men of prime fight the age were already away in the continental army. The militia was made up of men who were older too young to serve on those campaigns. The older men wanted to wait for more reinforcements. They expected the arrival of at least a hundred more neighboring militia shortly and had also sent riders to philadelphia to get continental support. They also had good intelligence. About how large a force. They actually faced the experience butler agreed with this group and cautioned restraint others however strongly advocated for an immediate attack against the invaders particularly among the younger soldiers. They called butler a coward and said that they would march without him. If he's not wanna fight in the end. Those calling for an immediate attack prevailed on july third. A force of nearly four hundred yankee militia marched toward for winter mood at the time it seemed plan was to get near the four but then form a defensive line to determine just how large a force they would actually be facing as they approached the fort a few men announce they were marching into a trap and fell out of the column a back of the fort. The british force received word of this advancing enemy column the british commander at the fort or it burned but then formed his men outside of the fort mostly in the woods to prevent the enemy from counting their numbers. He sent his indian warriors to hide in the forest near fort. The american militia saul the fort on fire and took it as an indication that the british were abandoning the fort and retreating. So they quicken their pace to catch up with the british. They hope to find a retreating column that they could hit in the rear that however was not what they found as they approached the burning fort. The attackers indicated that they were aware that the enemy was still in the area and called them to show themselves on the field. The undisputed yankee militia began firing from about two hundred yards out as they advanced on the british line. They were both too far away for their muskets to hit anything by some accounts the yankees fired at least three valleys advanced with almost no effect when they got to within about one hundred yards. The rangers rose up and fired back. The seneca warriors rose up from their position on the right flank fired and then with loudwar roofs charged the militia. The americans panicked at the surprise of the charging indians field. Commanders attempted to keep the lines formed and facebook the rangers and the indians the militia. At least by some accounts tried to hold their lines but were quickly overrun. They turned and fled the field in disorder. The entire engagement had lasted only thirty to forty five minutes. Only a small portion of the nearly four hundred american forces escaped the field that day about sixty men were able to outrun the attack by the rangers and the indians the rest were either killed or captured and we don't know exactly how many died on the field because those who were captured did not remain prisoners very long as with many battles between loyalists and patriots or between settlers and indians combatants showed little respect for the enemies. Life or for any generally accepted rules of warfare many years after the battle a story and wrote down accounts based on oral history. He recounted what happened next quote. Men were transformed into demons and while indian marksman skillfully wounded the flying yankees in the thighbone. Thus disabling them yet saving them for future tories. Both tories and indians clubbed and scout them as they tried to conceal themselves nearby or in the water. Many of the yankees fled to a nearby swap or dove into the susquehanna river seeking to hide themselves from their pursuers but the tories and indians followed after them killing them without mercy. When account is of a militiaman named had a pencil who hit in the willows. After being wounded by an indian arrow his brother john pencil who was fighting with the loyalists found his wounded brother. Henry cried were his brother to spare him. John replied quote mighty will but you are a damned rebel raised his musket and shot his brother dead. The writer commented quote. Even the indians were struck with horror at this deed others reported lansing men in the river allowing their corpses to float away. Even the soldiers who were not killed immediately on the field did not fare any better over the course of the night. The loyalists and indians tortured and murdered their prisoners. One account describes militia captain bid lack. His captors threw him into a campfire that night then held him down with pitchforks as the screaming. Struggling man burned to death. Another account reports of an indian queen named esther who forced eighteen prisoners to kneel around iraq she chanted and danced s. She bashed brains of each victim. One at a time any nbc. British reported only five prisoners surviving that night. The british commander reported that his men took two hundred and twenty seven scalps. many more. Were missing who were also likely killed. British casualties amounted to two loyalists. And one indian killed at another eight indians wounded following the massacre the local surrendered fort forty and two other small forts the rangers disarm the garrisons and permitted them. Parole the british commander said little about the massacre of prisoners in his reports but did stress that noncombatant women and children were treated with utmost dignity by this. He meant that they were allowed to live but really not much else. Over the next few days the loyalist forces destroyed over one thousand houses and barns in the area forcing all the patriot inhabitants to flee with almost nothing they confiscated their property. Including thousands of cattle sheep horses and harvested grain. What they could not carry away. They destroyed the effort had the intended effect. It forced virtually all surviving connecticut settlers or others. Who back the patriot. Cause to abandon the wyoming valley the massacre became a rallying cry for the patriots. It would eventually lead to retribution. But that would happen. The following year and will be the topic of future episodes. The seneca tribe later strongly denied accusations of these atrocities. Whether true or not the stories of the atrocities had the effect of spreading fear and a desire for revenge among the patriots. Next week we're going to return to philadelphia. A silas deane attempts to clear his name before congress. Hey thanks for joining the american revolution. Podcast after show my thanks to train. Aunts george davis lewis white and robert hunter for support of this podcast at the alexander. Hamilton club level on patriotic also. Thanks to lisa ham for support. At the robert morris circle level on patriot. Thanks also to chip brenner. and steve. Berger for their continuing support on patriot. I also appreciate one time contributions via paypal from bruce. Recant everyone who can chip in even a few dollars helps keep this podcast freely available for everyone else who cannot. I also wanted to remind everyone again. That i have a weekly newsletter which provides more reading materials that are relevant to each week's episode. You can sign up on my website at. Www dot am rev. Podcast dot com in my newsletter. I also include a list of live online events related to the american revolution that are happening each week. Many of these are free events by great speakers one of the groups putting on these events is a group called history camp. Which i've mentioned before a couple years ago. I was trying to bring history camp to philadelphia. It's daylong long event of great speakers on a wide variety of history topics we were all set to have our first event in may twenty twenty when the pandemic cancelled everything all history camps were cancelled for twenty twenty and it looks like all of twenty twenty one is going to be a bust as well. The good news is that the folks who run history camp are adapting. They hold weekly virtual events every thursday evening which are free to attend. I'm also pleased to announce that they will be holding a virtual history camp america in july. This will be a day long event with multiple speakers just like the in person events that we hope to return soon but this of course will be a virtual event and i hope anyone who's interested will consider attending the american revolution. Podcast has partnered with history camp to help make this event. A success and i will provide more details as they become available so this week. I covered some of the fighting between loyalists and patriots. That took place away. From the main army's this case it was an ongoing between connecticut and pennsylvania that had been going on for well over a century over which colony controlled the wyoming valley. This was just the sort of dispute that loyalists to the conclusion that the colonies needed a king. Without a king to decide such porter disputes. They would inevitably devolve into war and mass slaughter even if everyone did not always lake judgments in london. Those judgments at least provided a conclusive and peaceful resolution to such disputes. Others of course would argue that when the privy council in london declared something that didn't always really settle the issue and fighting continued anyway but even these ongoing disputes were likely to be more muted than an all out war when the revolutionary war began. British officials tried to use these enter colonial disputes to sow division between the now states. It is probably the main reason why local panama sites in this area became loyalists. Their enemies from connecticut were patriots and they were not going to serve on the same side as their enemies. Now i have to admit i struggled to keep the two sides straight in this story because my family has lived in pennsylvania for three hundred years. And i've always thought of the pennsylvanians as supporting the patriot. Cause i well. I knew paramedics were loyalists. I kept wanting to think of them somehow in the back of my head as the good guys and the connecticut invaders as the enemy well at the same time conflicting with my bias to think of the patriots as the good guys against the loyalists. Of course try to present the facts neutrally but we all have our inherent biases in our heads. And i suppose my pro pennsylvania bias is just a holdover from when such things mattered typically in such disputes. Those who sided with the loyalists often lost their claims to those who sided with the patriots. In this case however the continental congress eventually backed pennsylvania's claims to the territory in seventeen eighty seven. There was actually a third yankee. Penna my war. That broke out in seventeen eighty four. After the revolutionary war had ended. That one did not fully resolve the dispute either. Pennsylvania attempted to resolve the fighting by recognizing some of the private land claims by connecticut settlers in seventeen eighty seven however. The disputes remained a matter of contention for many years. Following final resolution. Really wouldn't happen until seventeen ninety nine when the federal government conclusively published that the area did belong to pennsylvania and ordered reimbursement for private land claims held under connecticut claims or allowing the connecticut settlers to continue living there as pennsylvanians. There is not a good deal of reading material on this dispute. However if you want to read more my book recommendation. This week is a biography. It's called zebulon butler. Hero of the revolutionary frontier by linda. A fosler and james r williamson sabio on butler of course was the leader of the connecticut. Defenders in the events described in this episode. He was also involved in the ongoing disputes for many years. Both before and after the events. I covered today. His biography covers these events in more detail. The book came out in nineteen ninety-five. But it's pretty hard to find already. It's also less than two hundred pages and more than a third of those pages are taken up by notes and index so. It's not a huge amount of content. But it is very well researched and gives the best window. I can find into the longstanding fighting between pennsylvania and connecticut settlers in the wyoming valley. So if he can find a copy zevulon butler is worth a read. My online recommendation is an e book available on archive dot. Org called the massacre of wyoming. The acts of congress for the defence of the wyoming valley pennsylvania. Seventeen seventy six to seventeen seventy eight with petitions of the sufferers by the massacre of july third. Seventeen seventy eight for congressional aide as you can probably guess by that lengthy title. This relatively short work contains original petitions of victims and other legislative proposals regarding the massacre of these gives some good firsthand descriptions of events even if written many years later and with a bias toward receiving government assistance. The booklet was assembled from various sources for the wyoming historical and geological society in eighteen ninety five. It's an interesting resource based on the testimony of those who were there for this relatively obscure event as always you can search for the document on archive dot org or just use the direct link that have included at the bottom of the blog entry for this episode to blog dot amriyev podcast dot com for more details. Well that's offer this week. I hope you will join me again next week. For another american revolution podcast.

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Things Change

PTI

23:31 min | 1 year ago

Things Change

"Pardon the interruption but Mike von Tony. America's largest milk producer filed for bankruptcy. So what are we supposed to put in our cereal in the morning. Tony Kornheiser Kornheiser. I've tried Newton. They are hard to pin down. He takes the whole day. You locate this quarrel go up in the Yes. Sure I've never heard of that. Oh the whole city kid. I don't know nothing about final. How I know cow's milk the town I've never milk up to capitol been there? When I have walked the as the that near my camp northern Pennsylvania? There was the Medvedev dairy. The dairy was Andre. Ma'am I don't think so. They had about sixty cows. I used to see them all well. Yard boys and girls in today's episode. The Astros may have cheated Memphis takes on the NCAA and the Knicks could make a run at Messiah Jiri but we begin today with the Seattle seahawks getting a last second field goal in overtime and beating the San Francisco. insys go forty niners. Twenty seven twenty four. This was a surprisingly sloppy game with five. Fumbles loss and two interceptions Seattle. Winning knots the forty niners from the last unbeaten perch will bundle the better team win last night. I don't know maybe the better team won last night but it doesn't mean they're going to be the better team. I don't know even a week. I mean I thought that was still. You're right Tony. The the game was so sloppy and it seemed like it every chance Mr Garoppolo was trying to choke it away or throw throw it away. I was glad he handled this winter. And he's absolutely in their hands. They drop how can you drop that. Oh that's why you play defense because you can't hang onto rat. That's he tried to give the game away. Russell Wilson made some uncharacteristically awful played intercept. Let me say this off. I was thinking last night was a referendum on. MVP between Lamar. Mark Jackson Russell Wilson. And if I had to vote today based on what we've seen this week in I would vote. Lamar Jackson narrowly ahead. 'cause Russell didn't wasn't great last night but he won. He wasn't great but he is great instinctive runner. He's he gains yards. He doesn't waste running back right. He gains yards when they need yards. Look I think that San Francisco has a dominating defense I do. I don't know if the best team won but if you ask me now as long as we're projecting you say you had to vote for him if you asked we now who I could see in the Super Bowl I can see Baltimore and Seattle right now in the super bowl now. Baltimore beat the Patriots when they they were on top of the AFC just last night. Seattle under number one. NFC team and earlier in the year. Baltimore beat Seattle Pizza to to to me. I can see that although the game was such a little satisfied it really was and then which I find characteristic of a lot of the NFL this year a little less than satisfied. We you and I particularly have long enough. We've seen teams make thrilling. Yeah we want to see a great eighteen and you know what there's no great team. I don't think there's a great team but I also will say that on Sunday. There were six thrilling gapes. Go with really and the panthers is game was thrilling. Okay at the end all Ambro Blah Blah Blah great Seattle Seattle packers. You just ruled out your boy. Aaron Ron I didn't realize you said right. Yeah I'll tell you I change tomorrow. It's that's for today. It's word of that by telegraph. Whatever they get up in Green Bay? I don't know what they get up there pony express in just a little bit the College Football Playoff Committee. Second ranking will be released. This comes in the wake of Alabama Obama and Penn state losing Saturday. Let's get right to Tony. Who's your top four? And in what order I've got LSU number one because they beat Alabama at Alabama Alabama. Okay that's the biggest win of. I've got Ohio State to nothing against Ohio State. But getting seventy three or seventy four. The Maryland doesn't really matters Maryland. UNSTICK Senate okay three. I've got Clinton spot but I don't know they haven't played anybody to know what to do. I'd like to put Alabama at three. What you're not normal award like you you can see it? LSU Ohio State Clemson. Who got four? Because I've got Alabama or is open. Maybe it's the people aren't sitting bribes I would. I would do it that way. I love like to have the nerve to put Minnesota there did. I can't put Minnesota there. I'm Baylor No. They're double digit. Can't put them there. I'm not GonNa put a warrant wealthier. Act Wealth in Utah Oregon. I'M GONNA be Oklahoma which wants to Kansas state loss. Kansas state okay. I'M GONNA be a stage. I'm going to be a still Alabama and put Alabama there. I sound like a network. You Know College football stooge now just just circulating the vote put on college. Football Royal. Here is one way that Alabama doesn't get in that I see if Georgia Beats Lsu in the SEC final. You'RE NOT GONNA put three teams from the SEC. And because Lsu beat Alabama in Alabama. But the case I make Fella Bama now is in the second half of that game. Alabama was twenty twenty eight thirteen over. Lsu You give me a better team. I'll let you put him in fourteen. I'm trying to find a way but I'm GonNa tell you one thing you keep you keep ignoring the factories that the Minnesota is. Because I thought Minnesota Penn State and Penn state theory. And they get I do think Ohio State is great. PUT HIM IN MINNESOTA. You know I don't yell at me. 'cause you don't have guts yellow yet you want. Because you couldn't refuse to consider the notion that Ohio state could lose. Lose the idea you just. Don't I think they're really good. They're really good hiring former Astros pitcher and current Oakland pitcher. Mike Fires told the athletic that in two thousand seventeen seventeen their world championship here. The Houston Astros stole signs. With the use of a Centerfield camera the Houston Players Watch monitoring real time and bang a trash stress. Can To signify what pitch was gang drum slowly. This was illegal in baseball and the Astros announced today that they have begun an investigation in coordination with Major League Baseball Wink Wink. We'll bon. Does this. Taint the Astros Championship. I suppose there's some people it does and maybe to me it should did. You know says we have been discussing talking about this story today on the show. I've said several times worked up over this and what that question means is. I can't get myself. This baseball is a sport. I played it is the one I'm most familiar with the intimacy of the sport. Do's and don'ts the unwritten rule allowed to steal signs. You you gotta steal. And it's a strange word to use you gotta steal them honestly was go out Senate college you go to second base and you figure this thing out. You can't put a cameron at one point hundred. She sure in the bay played. Somebody said what are you doing using noculars use those you gotta use your own peepers and so we invaded Italy innocuous from center field then it would take you an hour to get somebody to bang on a trash can is it's wrong the GM to fans yeah this the GM then and I know Aj hinch is the manager then now if they knew about this what they should foreign they should be censored it should saying the guy and hitch they more than that. And what I'm saying to you kick them out I. I can't get myself worked up over this because technology which we use every moment of every day. Yeah and that's that's a camera. Will they do it. As a polaroid they rip off the weight for sixty seventy camera. What are you doing? What are you watching the feed on a monitoring the real video? What are you back here? I can't get there. I'm just saying you know what change a damn signals there are signals. Every club has or win. Somebody's he's a second base. Didn't help us Ryan. That's if they still did it I don't know them so get over it. I'm sorry okay so this one doesn't you know what I say to you twice a a year or three times a year. Not Everything is a big deal okay. That's let's see if the neck authorities in big deal to you. Let's see fairly big game and even in bigger drama in Portland tonight. Tony simply because James Wiseman will be on the floor for Thirteenth Frank Memphis against fourteenth ranked Oregon. Why has been the NC Double A.? Says says is likely going to be ruled ineligible by the NC double a wise man has a court hearing scheduled for November eighteen. None of this seems to deter or or distract the versatile seven footer however who is averaging twenty three points ten boards four blocked shots two games. So how do you feel about Memphis if is putting wiseman back on the floor again tonight. So I think they're basically saying we're in for a dime we're in for a dollar. I mean when they went to court sorts civil court not NCAA record and they got a restraining order they were saying to the NCAA. In my opinion you've authority over thirty whatsoever. We're we're GONNA keep playing this kid you're not gonNA come out on the court and arrest him Andrea came off. We're GONNA keep playing this kid and if it results if we would've championship and you vacated indicated Okay Because Anybody Remembers that we won on the court that's all I think that's what they're in so this is interesting. This is not new it maybe not even knowing what I know but the specific thing about a player being ineligible. Okay you can. You can single that out if you want but Tony you and I covered college basketball. Aw when the W would look at certain schools and say disassociate yourself from this person that we put you in jail and one of those schools do they. Didn't they. Put The guy at center court. It did it again and they sent to the NC Double A.. We're giving you the double middle finger salute because we don't care what you say we're not afraid of you look like Barney. Fife who thousand eight coach John Calipari and starring Derrick rose in the official book as to what they did even though they make the final game and says Oh wouldn't in one on one June dare grow. Shot those free throw understand. So do I understand. It's a difficult here is if you it's sort of. It's it's cheating Houston did not cheating member Memphis is saying. We don't care what you do but I I can't imagine that penny any hardaway can take eleven thousand dollars of his own pocket and bring Joseph Wiseman to Rubber Nashville Memphis and coach them in high school and the Tennessee state authorities. And you can't do this. I played many of the NC double h May. He's eligible he's fine what is it the NC Double A.. April may sometime this spring. They said you're okay. He's he's a young people the NC Double A.. You you've only won in America. Yeah you just you really only one give them a chance. The New York Knicks are back on the court tonight with David. Dale still coaching as far as we know our friend frank sold the rights in the athletic that the Knicks are in full blown crisis mode again veteran. GM Steve Mills may be on the way out himself. Self I sola says the Knicks are targeting Messiah. Jiri you just WanNa Championship Toronto Woven you know you Jerry. What intrigued by this? You say first of all these kids play let the kids play killing play fifteen twenty games to let him play this. I didn't see the need for a press conference. Lynn play all right Steve Meals and know him well and I I like Scott period known him well known those guys all of our careers. I actually I hate to say this to you. I sorta route right now for the Knicks. 'cause I root for those guys and fizz deal who I know I want to see this work for them in a much better way than its work now working. Okay I think we get to the park in games in. Yeah Yeah I'm not gonNA roof into beat the balls tonight. I'm not GonNa root for that now. Messiah Jerry Maybe two best executive in the NBA. He certainly on the short short short short list. Okay okay would it be intrigued by this. He had to be intrigued. Look there's there's only a couple of places that could pay him more money than getting Toronto and the New York Knicks will be one of them. Now I'm not one of those people like you who say Oh Canada. Oh He's out there in Canada he must want a New York so now I have a stew the NCAA and CA enemy anti Canadian. According to you you are waived this flag every night. So what are you talking about. Canada or the Knicks the NBA. You can survive with the Knicks. Being Lousy. They have for seventy five years. They have championships in fifty years. All right so let us get to the heart of the matter there. You so wound. ooh Let's get to the heart of the matter with GSI. Would you go to work for James Golden Rule. That's a difficult thing to do the New York Knicks or the equivalent in in the NBA to the Washington redskins in the NFL. Good people don't necessarily want to work there you don't know. How much can you actually have? The Knicks couldn't get meetings with Kyrie Irving or Kevin Durant. And so you get those meetings. He Co ranted Lamey coin in. And maybe he could bring you on us onto compo- maybe he could. Well there you go off your d'hollander you signed something and says I'll stay out of the way if you're massage would you even trust that. No one no. Let's take a break coming up the Shawn Watson and Lamar Jackson face each other this Sunday. which quarterback has the brighter future? And I've been lamenting mentioned the bears quarterback situation because decades now putting the rams had her. Worst Tossup you're going to yell at me because I like Billy Joel and you like Elton John. 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That's Harrys Dot com code eight thousand enjoy tossup. Were I play the role of Ohio state and we'll plays the role of Dr Have Af. Once I toss up they play on Sunday. Brighter future to Shawn Watson or Lamar Jackson. Obviously each you bus would take either of these people's we would the sake of argument. I will say Deshaun Watson and here's why I worry. long-term about Lamar Jackson running. I worry that he gets caught and gets planted in. Something breaks actually. Does Shawn Shawn Watson quarterback numbers better. He's passed for more yards and more touchdowns Mark Jackson his rating is higher. And he's done one thing. That Lamar Jackson hasn't doc. He wanted to college championship. And that impresses me talking about the short term future. We're talking about the short term future. Take Lamar jank right. But it's because I think he can get through Ooh this season and goodness knows maybe a super bowl. I got him in the way we just had him in the answers him. I mean I think Deshaun Watson watching too. I cannot get past my team. Not Taking Shawn Watson looking at ten twelve year span onto but it could be Jackson next. Toss up better shot at winning the title the Vikings or the GOPHERS. I think it's the vikings because at the moment there the second wildcard near in a game and a half up on on the rams and the panther ran through like somebody else look at least can get an A. Playoffs. who how does Minnesota get into the players? Well they have to beat Ohio state. It's too hard user. Why it's the Vikings first of? Aw when you have feeling and digs whatever. They're healthy enough catching passes from Captain Kirk. You got something. That's that's the equal almost is the best one it could be that you can play with that okay. And they're D- Did defense especially as the GOPHERS. Here's what they gotta do at Iwa. Now you know how last week I was on the GOPHERS offers early. Yeah I took the GOPHERS. You're not on now. No okay. I think I'm taking you got TA at Evanston I'll be there for that North Western. That's a win for you. And then if they said then it's Ohio statement probably in the next last one toss up. They play each other this week. Who should be more concerned about their quarterback the bears or the ran ramp should be more concerned why they suck a pot of gold into jared? Goff you went to the Super Bowl. He's going backwards. Last year. He had down where twelve exceptions right. Now he's eleven and nine. His quarterback rating is going from one. Oh one to eighty the two point seven point. Two bisky has eight touchdowns and three interceptions and by the way if they want to admit they were wrong and dump them doesn't cost much now. Jared Goff off course some thirty six million against the CAP. La and Jerry was also got them to a super bowl already paid off. You can say this guy got us do. We may get back there one more time. You don't think Jared Goff was going to make four five Super Bowl appearances do you have you mixed one more. He will have paid off to Bisky. Tony I know you. Don't watch the Games you watch them. Throw three touchdown pass. We read zone. You don't you don't see when they start off the first down for seven series series. You think should be more concerned. That's that's yeah that's that's insane. Let's take one last break still to come to Kentucky Talk to you. Do get upset tonight and the clippers get some really good news about Paul George corporate very well dressed on the bench. I've been two or three of those Super Games. Does he actually have pants on. Because they only got hands on never know clippers. Give him back. Jared Goff is going back okay. Okay only back without the Super Bowl. My back was looking forward. Prescription price required online physician consultation. Only available if the physician determines the prescriptions appropriate. See website for full details. 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But they didn't get that that pairing for November December January February March April. They got that pairing for major and they've got to play some defense and be a little time. They're working at it so they are happy anniversary. Joe Adams on this day seven years ago the Arkansas Punt returner had this amazing touchdown against Tennessee in which he backtracked fifteen yards and appeared to be hopelessly being trapped. Four or five times. This season. Arkansas ran this hideous fake punt that ended up as an easy interception for Auburn. Plays like this contributed into the four hundred nineteen record of Chad. Mars was no more opportunities to lose games for Arkansas. Because he was fired. Let's go back to digital punditry. Is that the memory this Paul Congress. The movie tremendous on short-list Mendez. Happy trails to mantras Harold. Long live the clippers forward as you can see gathered so for to who say he is met at the Rim by somebody named Chris Boucher one of the dozens of nameless faceless raptors. Interestingly this was Leonard's in his first game against the raptors since leaving Toronto and when asked if he had any particular memories about playing for Toronto Leonard said quote. What would I think about last season? It's over now. We want one. I had a great time there. It's the next chapter now. I can't live in the past and just be excited I one I'm on a different team unquote we'll I find that very cavalier. How about you okay? But you know he left San Antonio to the next stop so so far. He's made two stops. He's got a championship at each stop. I believe he's got a championship series. MVP Eddie so he gets himself into the next place and said let's go. What is the Bill Jaylen? Check no emotion wells haunts cinncinnati-based Addi. Whatever Bill Belichick does I call James? Wiseman Joseph Wise Joseph Wiseman was an actor who played Dr. No for those of you over seventy five. I'm not over. Let's go to the Big Minneapolis. George boy we'll have his first game for the clippers on Wednesday or Thursday. Your thought I wanNA see midseason him in Kuwait defensively. They could be Jordan. Pippen defensive it could be your Alvarez Pita Lonzo their baseball's rookies of the year. You'll came up that absolutely Lonzo set an all time major league record for lookie Hamas with fifty three Eh. It wasn't unanimous. What what the nets? Have parted ways with David Lee. What happened you'd be said very quickly from the TNT the president? This is not what I can do it. Everyone's Adam wainwright is going back to. The car does a one year deal. He's thirty seven years old and the smart sinus spent in his whole career in Saint Louis areas right real one hundred and sixty to ninety fought in fifteen years there. He's been a great pitcher them for longtime you leave. You still have them crazy crazy. The last one number one Kentucky number two both in action tonight you smell many upsets and Tukey's playing Evansville and former Kentucky Alum Walter McCarty themselves for a lot of those years Scottie. Pippen has a lot of time trying to better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser. And I'm Mike will bond stain time tomorrow knuckleheads you can get the P._T._i.. podcast on the E._S._p._N.. APP or Apple. PODCAST BIG AL happy birthday happy.

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PODCAST two thirds of it at least thousand say then which one not this one I mean I wish I was plotting to immunize if I just the AM. Because I was GONNA say for this show you were great. I know me good but you are good to stop. And I'm betting the winning those games but the colleges fucking me in because you don't know anyone on any of these teams. That's what I keep telling you I bet on. How would this morning the two did it? Hit has a page it the plan right now. They're loser down C.. One forty two stimela but the spreads twenty one. Okay you just see a big number like that you like. They've got to cover twenty one. I mean yeah all right fair enough. That's saving US DA boy. You thought they play like better because it was Martin Luther King Day. No he didn't get no worse. Boy exactly why you bet on them. I'm never going to play. This is coming out. was what a terrible thing about me. How many days are in Ronkonkoma? Most three everybody wrong took it home away. From home Jagger Mucci over here said number always John Howard who were they playing. Why don't they too bizarre schools? Take that is peculiar. I don't know how that got schedule. Who called who yelled has visit our number blocked? That's today and I know how it got needs. Nothing from Yale so I don't know who knows who knows who knows but ought to everyone. Al Qaeda is a massive NBA. They they play all day. I'm surprised it wasn't a noon game. Honestly I feel like they usually is and yeah it starts with Detroit at Washington so this this is gonNA come out probably right at. I don't think either of you guys have Detroit at Washington. No doubt about that. Gay just can't Smart Tyler. So how can I tell you that I have the l word of the day this Let's let's let's let's say maybe we don't throw throw that one around so much anymore twenty years when he three years the Honi three for my lock of the the Millennium and they broke their winning streak in San Antonio the day I bet winless streak yeah winless group well the winds zero so all they needed was Tyler GonNa Gambling podcast that I listen. This is there's never been a more surefire or fire thing he was like. Oh Wow that's a long street. I'm GonNa do something a close personal friend Kevin. Hart it was like fuck you withers. Yeah we'll we'll we'll put that one in the dirt for good start another twenty three year and right now can't wait. Oh without question. Yeah they'll never win San Antonio again till the next time you call it a lock. The Knicks game they got blasted by thirty points by the Pistons. You can't make this stuff up. Man That is very funny Martin. What's your first game by? Alert of the game is a net Smith. Half gets the sixers. Why let me tell you what who do carrier? Just compare themselves to Dr so he thinks thinks he's Dr J.. Today he has to play good. The sixers are trash on the road and the nets. This is it. Dr J. 'S GONNA win. Jay was also six though exactly so he thinks oh maybe hopefully covers. He's sixers regardless I ah even knows probably not yet. What our uniforms really man? But the day is why are the mets. Might as one half when their the trash. That's even even philly on the road without embiid. That's way too close. That's the sixers should be my three. Probably they are terrible. I'm Jay Vo true. He was a net to its confused. This is the doctor J. Memorial on the other Doctors Day so they let him go the jump ball and play with the red white and Blue Labia bar. I'd like that. What A? What a terribly bizarre quote by Kyri isn't that bizarre uh-huh is it even a bizarre for for him it is because it had like at least something to do with basketball like normally is bizarre quotes? I have nothing to do with basketball so for him to even I know who Dr J. felt desire now. He knows he's like he's a story. He knows all that stuff he's been holding it for that like he's known this for fifteen years ready to drop it at the right time. Is Friday night games at Kyrie. Irvin Magic Johnson. That's mate tall steph curry. I'm money on. No Sir are already what you I bet. In my first bit bulls at Bucks I see bucks thirteen and a half. I'm taking books on the points. And the under twenty six or twenty seven under plus two forty. They played them twice beaten about twenty one to fourteen both on the road and the total for those games to twenty five in two sixteen. The win win but they'll hit the under they won't but that's what I'm betting plus I respected respected cut out when we're still talking about very does not there. We finished Mr Podcast. We could tell you what I still haven't gone yet. The box plus Box with appoints and the under okay I read. Does he notice that he doesn't have to make excuses till next year. Now right now. He doesn't know that I feel like he should saw him for him. You could lose every game unsure. Nolan's The cat knowing everyone's to go away is it'll be all that to you right. Yeah Shit Yeah it really feel like you should sources tell them but that's the whole that's the whole reason. He left Cleveland. He's like Oh yeah. I can prove that can be the guy mile if Katie was healthy this year. Honest Guy Wonder if he would've if it would have been as easy. I think he just wants to be the guests so I think this year was like I'm going to be the guy with when he gets back he's my. I hope I've already set the table now. I think he hated being the guy in Boston so much that he was being in Boston and he still wants to beat you. Don't lose being the guy he just like. It was them not me. I'll just go get somewhere else. If he's according to him. It's still them. Yeah it's that's okay. I'll go to Detroit. Then they love me. I'm the guy in Detroit. My first pick celtics plus two and a half against the Los Angeles Lakers ones. That seven thirty. I don't really know about that one which I was defense lately last I. Hi that's why there's no way they're like there's a better chance marcus. Smart has eleven threes again. Then I defense is not fucking now. Eighties available L.. But I think he's GonNa play and if if this line balloons of it's like Celtic plus six by the time eight weeks. They said he's available. I guess he's he's not officially in yet. If this goes like plus sex I'M GONNA take plus sex. Goes the other way like Oh. He's definitely plant a Lakers plus nine Yeah Mark Lose. Like Devon Booker has the highest career we are average of anyone ever against Celtics. That's something that he always does. Marcus hidden eleven. Threes on twenty one attempts may be the most impressive thing never ever happened in. NBA Game Why. He Guard Devon Booker. That would have been more impressive. He was too busy hitting every three under the Sun Tyler. That's he hit enough of them. Could I still love shifting. Hit twelve thirteen. Well we got fucking hayward missing wide open labs and crunch time. How much more can amend do I do? Love at at the story turned into. What a great Guy Marcus? Smart instead of. Hey we're just blowing the late great. Pr Does Oh back act like that's that's where it's like if Kyrie was on the TV like what are you. How am I supposed to win with with Whitey MC buzz-cut over there like what am I supposed to do with swoop duty broken leg man Hanover? This Abbas let's hear it. He's still talking about the Celtics. Nah Now as you want to know is a slander. So I'm like anti splinter slaved. I WanNa know what's wrong with the Denver Nuggets. The I don't know what Murray's out with the folks who I think I don't know like I don't know if Maliki bees like unhappy but I don't know what's going on with that but there there are a whole all all year been like what's going on with the nuggets and they're still thurdsay terrible. They win. What's going on their shitty team? That didn't have the lost it late. They're willing to hold a uneven today. There plus tuna heavy To roll back but still tables it will be a a plus to have xactly Soul it's going to be out Murray still out and all I can think of. Is it an early league. Because they're playing the day. Okay we'll sit back to back. They played at eleven last night and play it to thirty eight. PM like play. They've got him on the Michael Boorda junior like sit for the whole year. Then we'll reassess next year. I mean he didn't play in college. We played like a smooth it. Neither he played. Mike Boorda forgot about the tools. Getting the Sure did you think Allen Crab goes off the night. I think he's out I do when you get traded. Is it just like you. Just miss ever many games you want just like. I'm still getting accustomed man. I'll play after the all star break. I'm I'm putting the rattle on. I'm taking the nuggets. All I was going to get routed rat. Say Jay word instead they just need to end by two or they don't even need to lose lose by two and nobody hit the along so I did. You aren't anybody. How about the hurtful but the day according to most so you can say it? Downright what's what's your second game. AM whiskers second game. which is paces versus? McMahon's jazz. Don't care for that Mhm I need Brogden and TJ warned score. Forty two points mush forty two points plus two hundred right now. There are thirty six game. Last time they played the jazz. They hit forty five. It's forty two points you. Do you do math now. Doing some shift is his Conley I think is back. I don't know if that's good or bad for you because he wasn't playing well before he got hurt. Now if he's back I feel much better about it right. The very least taking a couple of games get back into the rhythm of thinking. Yeah so maybe that means he's going to be good at first and then get back to stinking. He can't guard both of them. I brought to school. Forty to warn can lay an egg. I don't care I just need forty two. Plus Tommy wants to just take Indiana plus seven. I would like I had the jazz are airplane. Well but Indiana's still really good as I say you had your chance. You didn't do it so long. The next and the cavs was. I'll listen you know. I was looking at a logo time for that baby Lord took over time. What stinker the game would you see one and a half but I saw one when I I checked so I don't know where I'm seeing one and a half it literally? Every big money poured it on someone. I can't imagine that happen as RJ healthy the line dropped. It's bad news with Nick I'm just GONNA take a memphis minus two and a half is so fucking annoying to New Orleans. Yeah it's at home. I feel like Memphis always plays at home today right probably this should be this. I am debut man debut on the road they should. He's got some naps to catch on the bench. We are now you've got some gum boaty Odi one sleepy fellow ties to eighty. But did you. He said man. I like watching the king. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I liked that bit by Tim. Looking at the under him him saying like to twenty and a half to twenty one to twenty two and a half At know about knows anything but to what. What's the cabinet right behind you? What's in there this guy right here? That's the that's a lot of glasses. Glasses do lapses mugs things of that nature. You just have glasses mugs in the cab of bowls in place saliva cabinet guy okay. SMART was your garbage onto the sick for my lunatic mush as garbage in the cabinet and his bowl is just put it up. Top over the over the Margaret Brennan the microwaves and if why actually hate that out of sight out of mind yet I don't know what else you put bread. If you have a breadbox what I read adventist breadbox has to be like it's A. It's a good idea for an invention. I don't hate the idea. But no one's getting fucking breadbox ninety ninety more but I bet when they first came out billions podcast. Ninety stupid brother. Thought you put him on speaker phone. What'd you call them Nizing Eisin? That's not his name called legend. Yeah isn't that much to now. I can't imagine what's he call you. Job Okay given the names. You should've the head over to the answer we donald do you water today do laundry today. Absolutely it's much. I love it loud. The love from watch considering that's unreal. I love that movie a great brothers. They WANNA get Pizza Pizza for dinner. You don't want to block stuff cheese pizza for lunch. He's like now. I gotta cancel the delivery punk. No that's the problem. He you can't think about what you want for dinner when you're hungry now 'cause you're just going to get that now the hunger Saudi even know what I want. You get like three things for lunch. That's true so you get chick-fil-a you get five guys you get pizza. Yeah Hey was that she is too cold out outside so got cheese steaks. Okay our we we bought a short he's mandated day without. I think we have to. Oh come on to talk about his Vegas. said he's so into the do spend phase. Now you can't get now. How do you know what it was like we? We told him that on the last picks last mixed us all of us. The news being the deuce Bay he bought into a heart. Tran- Tom to keep doing that said he was that exactly. I love a heat tall is he. I thought it was like I'm not too that he just came over. The Guy Fawkes over last night. Twenty Florida the toy midsize beyond beyond. What's a while? I'd love a good Carter. What about I know? There's no reason to even say hey that we also didn't cuddle knows over. It was my aunt she caught on the phone. We have to. We have to talk to you soon. Sued he doesn't listen to us so there's almost like not even appoint we got. He listens to US wrongly. Big Time we gotta tell them what he's doing. Great dumbed down. He'll go the other way like you want. The daughter wants a daddy to hate her boyfriend. You talk about how great he is. Bad is love. what your third pick. Did you give it now last. Pick warriors at Portland. I'm going back to the player point Handicap Lillard is like the leader so whatever he scores. He's this topdog. That's plus three twenty. I liked the Angelo though he gets plus six and a half that plus four thirty just because I could see Damon Eh. Thirty thirty two but dentals average only twenty four game and neither one of these teams playing defense. I'm taking the Angelo and the seven points to be. Ah Leading score. Wanted Melo badly. But then just ain't Shakin your favorite now for melody plus eleven and a half apple plus five fifty doesn't feel worth. I'll take the low A.. Plus four thirty. I can't wait to Lillard. Scores Eighty one point Russell. Scores Seventy two. He's closed but I still miss speaking of eighty-one did you see how horned horned up Jalen rose was. Why are people trying to fuck Lamar Jackson? You want a wild weekend. Jessie the lady was like who decided bestiality was bay. That was absurd tweets absurd. Sometimes you're a block a day. Just it finds you. Are you have to do much work. You come right to the basket man. He's just play in my part. Oklahoma City is getting a lot of points at Houston. I fully understand that Oklahoma City. Maybe kids is good as Houston. I think they just one of these like just played. Now we go home and home series There's so many games it real like I thought it was. I remember like in having a slate but I did always think it was like twelve to thirty five eight like now. It's like twelve up to to a one. St like Christmas. You know is muggy. Sit Down Eleven. No Bait her down twelve. I took them live mid thirty five to them. Live close fourteen hats and plus twenty one. Good luck you can do it most Boy Now that was last week. They play the Rut but they beat them by twenty hours remember shy Charlotte plus four and a half at home a lot going on eh about to go to France man. I don't know I was thinking about getting into that game was like I wonder if they just play one good for the states. No one we're about to go overseas Tang it all. They're gonNa Fried and realize going to distracted Perry the books too. So it's like oh boy. Yeah I'M GONNA take a I'm going to take the under two twenty twenty one because I see this number of between two twenty two twenty two and I also say to twenty one celtic under to twenty one at Sacramento at Miami good bit. I hate it now. One hundred ninety eight. Ah Jerry. Bali got sixty in the first quarter up. I'm like why didn't I bet it. Oh my God I want it on the record. I didn't know anything about how would before I met them. Shit I feel like you know much about about yellow teeth like I didn't know much about the school of Halid historically black no had no So it's tweet als day. I had no idea how many how many Hvac US either. I mean that is yeah Black Haji University Stanford. It's not a lot looking at say. Twelve hundred seven. You just hear about this one hundred and seven. Yeah you hear about the same twelve but yeah I feel like there's a there's a decent amount of like a and I don't know if I said twelve nuts because like Graham black. There's like the twelve that you only hear about Tyler recite or zero that wait till you tell them what they let. Women go to college to College for only women too much. Did you know that ooh my over my dead body college. I went to was just all women that I then what I applied it was seventy eight set limits. The school when I went to Seles was the most northern Pennsylvania with them and I will say Pennsylvania Ohio Howard's DC DC's Washington DC. Delaware doesn't WANNA in Delaware. I'm guessing this guy to be four for this. New Elevators not more north and Pennsylvania. It is in my book in Delaware and Vermont is like a twenty minute walk. It's got to be like I just have never heard of you hear the same Tim but yeah. There's plenty of them and women's Schools Mush. Say what you're thinking shows what you hear me yes. He's back like alcorn state I didn't owes. HPC till we talked about it very recently. Yeah Steve McNair. That's why that's why we talked about it. I had no idea Pretty good used to be a lot more boy. What's happened happened motion frozen again? All right. We'll we'll it was great. This screen shot at on this out mush when he finds out today is Martin Luther King Junior Day uh-huh and the girls in schools. I got disconnected. I'd cheese Martin's issues. Yeah here's enough will have will hold on. I think I've close at this tweet. There was just sent to the group. Oh boy hi has a quote On Martin Luther King. Oh no when I was out for those separate weeks and not saying anything still saying things about me. It's inevitable. Will it crucified Martin. Luther came speaking about peace and social integration Kyrie Irving yes network. This is from yet not even twenty minutes ago so this is hot off the press. This is why Jalen hates this guy. I know he's just he's just got a tweet like a frog sipping tea. At least don't keep up on current means that every time Kyrie says stupid so constantly just listen. I gave twenty seven to the Knicks. Okay didn't real hero. It's the Yes network dear Lord. Thanks Kyri data remember Evan. Turner said they hated on. Oh Jesus too and that would be like Kyrie's like four hundred most notable quote hated in Jesus but they never saw him with the double team on me. He couldn't yet no less. It holds an anti-gun and Jesus Christ all right. Well we'll see you guys later. Probably probably the new batch of Kyri quotes. I can't wait.

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Party in the U.S.A: Voting Day

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Party in the U.S.A: Voting Day

"Did you know that with drizzly. You can get drinks delivered to your door and under sixty minutes yup with drizzly the number one alcohol delivery app. You can shop a huge selection of beer wine and liquor including favorites like don julio and bullet bourbon plus you can shop across multiple stores in your area to find what you want at the best prices. Download the app or visit drizzly dot com. That's dri z l. y. and use code. Save to save five dollars on your first order today. This is a cbc podcast. Hey i'm lena my mood. It is tuesday november third and today is election day tonight. A lot of us are gonna gather around. Tv's and take part in that time old tradition of watching the results ruling now. Here's the thing usually election night. Is this really exciting thing. Months buildup finally culminating in some kind of release. It could be super dramatic. You remember in two thousand sixteen. A lot of people watched in shock because it sunk in. But hillary clinton wasn't gonna get that comfortable win that everyone was expecting that the polls were predicting. The scene here is so different than it was a few hours ago when people were happy relaxed. I have been looking around the room at people who are stone faced. Some of them have been crying. Whiplash is the only way to describe that feeling but at least we got some closure. We figured out who the president is gonna be and that may not be the case tonight. We may not get that moment when one candidate concedes and the other says hey. I'm the president and declare victory and that's a challenge for news organizations especially cable news networks. Who are so used to building a narrative numbers as it come in and then presenting a conclusive result all signs. Not the least of which is trump has said. He won't concede even if he appears to be losing point to a long drawn out. Wait before we know for sure. Luckily we have an amazing guests to help us navigate this long. Wait this dreadful. Feeling ben smith the media columnist for the new york. Times also happens to be my former boss of buzzfeed news. He's going to join us today. I'm talked to us about why the media needs to get election night right. You're listening to party in the usa. Let's get into ben. Hello happy election day to you. Thanks element we always have a great celebration in this country first of all. I don't know what you're celebrating. But what i'm curious about is do you have any election day rituals. You've been through a few election days. Having anything established in the in the old days. I've been covering election distance before twitter. The whole thing is what you do as a reporter. You've got in the morning. Go to some polling places get some color talk to some voters and get quotes that you can sort of use in a story. No matter what happens. Like i'm just so glad i got to cast my vote. Said one mom sort of things like that and then like. There's nothing else to do. Maybe if you're hyper responsible you write several paragraphs of what they call. Copy like the election took place in an atmosphere of heightened tensions stuff like that right but i was never really been that really responsible. I'd mostly like go to the movies really. You know there's nothing to do. The story is published the next day. The story who want if you don't know that it's sort of a waste of time right so yeah it would be this weird field trip off day for journalists where you just sorta wander around. Maybe a nice long lunch with friends. You do your expenses. you know. there's nothing to do. You're just waiting. Meanwhile like television has always had this had to fill the air and so now we also. Because i think of twitter in general online publishing feel obliged to kinda fill the air. Do you remember what movie you saw in the two thousand eight election day. oh and i was blogging. And he's long gone. I think in front of remember. Four wandering down. Lexington avenue with maggie haberman and four wondering what we were going to do all day. But i don't remember what movie we wound up seeing did well. I don't wanna go back as far as two thousand four but due to start in two thousand sixteen because at the time you were my boss of buzzfeed news and the mood. Not just in our newsroom. Is i think everybody was expecting hillary clinton to win and Would also remind you that. Mike colleagues paul in the cloud and the loop were transferred specifically to washington dc to cover hillary clinton's transition. I think your words at the time was this might be the most efficient transition to government possible. But do you remember that election day. Let's say i mean everybody including certainly me thought hillary clinton was gonna win and we were putting on a live television broadcast on twitter. That day. i'd made a deal with twitter to finance us doing a full-scale television show. So i was very consumed with the sort of details of production and in general. We really did think hillary was gonna win. I remember running through. The trump wins version of the just the script of this show. Everybody kind of laughing nervously. Like i guess we gotta do this but definitely not going to happen this time around. I have to say that. There's very little amusement in the air. Things are obviously different. Really get the sense that reading twitter that everyone is just like laughing. Maniacally all day. Like not a good way. Not in a healthy way. That's the thing is if we call it amusement. Then i get worried because i keep trying to tell people like look. All you're going to do is tweet different ways about how anxious you are and i don't know if that's productive for anybody i mean that's very high bar in this profession. Okay do you think most of what you do. Is you know truly productive. I don't know. I mean literally in the sense. I don't know what i get out of it. People are just looking to you to be entertained on twitter element i mean. Yeah and got them on that front but all the other friends. I don't know man. i don't think i have. Anything pointed to say the day of the election. Like i think it's like yup. It's here and now we're going to have to go through this honestly. I'm not sure that my case is different from other people. I think a lot of other people are sort of in the same space. Feeling like a need to say something but like there's nothing to say until those results start rolling in and then we can start interpreting them. Part of that is that the polls have been at the same place been the whole time right like almost like nothing to react you moving in the polls to be like okay. Let's grab onto that and talk about it and analyze it and try to understand what's happening. Yeah yeah but also you know. I mean the sort of political cliche here is that the cake is baked but people are gonna vote. They're going to vote. Nothing you say or do or report is going to change that right now. Coverage of the mechanics of the fights over whose votes are eligible and things. It's going to become really important. But i mean i. I sort of look at elections like they're an asteroid approaching the earth and he hit with a nuclear weapon like when it's way way like many without a measure of distance. Yesterday's you can change. Its trajectory a little little miss earth but like some point like a couple of weeks ago you can just see it in the sky and all you can really do is point and scream. Well okay well tell me about that because so now you're a part of the new york times newsroom. The times is looking at this asteroid approaching. I can't imagine that they're just pointing to scream. How do you prepare for an election like this one. Let's see. I mean. I should say that i have no official inside a no responsibility for the times. No credit for the work they do like. I'm just hear writing columns. So i don't want to sort of seem like i'm you know there's any stolen valor. Here's the guy collecting a byline. Paycheck absolutely sure. Exactly from my home. I put on a suit the other day and it was just like amazing just for like a couple of hours. I should say that like for listeners. Who don't know ben like it's very unusual to see without a suit really hard to even imagine that. No it's like my uniform. So let's see. I mean the times to its credit is writing nineteen different versions of stories to be published in any possible. Outcome is trying to be very careful. I think about not having a giant needle. The promises of hillary clinton is gonna win like it did last time. You know trying to be really clear about what's real and what's not in patient and i think one of the things that you're going to see over the next however many hours between the time you press play on this. The ten the polls close are crazy wildfire rumors on social media. You know a voting machine in northern pennsylvania where you can see a video that you press the button for biden. Emma trump button lights up like in two thousand and eight. there was one that defer twelve. The did that for obama and romney became just like the biggest story in the world for fifteen minutes at the end of which point. It just became clear that this was some random glitch on the computer. One computer screen in one polling booth wants to try to be restrained but whereas three days ago if the biden campaign census some regularity they will look into it because they don't want to like blow all their credibility saying votes are being stolen and it turns out not by the afternoon of election day. The campaigns have no incentive to hold their fire right. and so you'll see just sort of crazy allegations and rumors and the next day. It will be like that stuff never happened. It will have been erased from your memory and historical memory and turned out with that was in texas and texas was won by ten points for whatever reason ninety eight percent of these things that we will fund unbelievably compelling in the moments before the election will turn out to be nothing literally nothing so this is something you've written about because you wrote in august about how the media could get the election night story self ron. You wrote the last barrier between american democracy in a deep political crisis may be television news and some version of that maddening. needle that reference on the new york times website. You've been talking to exact you've been talking to tv hosts election analyst in different newsrooms. Are you worried about how they're going to handle stories like these column in august was meant to kind of like a. Self cancelling prophecy. I wasn't the only one saying. But i think it kind of was newsrooms really have woken up to the sort of reality that this could really go on for awhile and take your take awhile to count votes. And they've done a pretty good job. Educating the public sixty some percent of people now realize they are likely to get results on election night then by the way if we could well get results on election night right if the polls are accurate will know before midnight in toronto. I think that the hardest part for the media. But although i do think people are stressing about it and focused on the way they never been before is reporting accurately and patiently on the counting of votes in a system. That is so sort of antiquated and rusted in bazaar. Your impulses just to be like. There's gotta be something wrong here and there. Obviously broadly is something wrong with america does elections. But that doesn't necessarily mean that the nice senior citizens in you know the mojang valley in pennsylvania who are like taking a really long time to report the results because they keep dropping on the floor and having to start again that like anything is wrong and honestly. The system is very very resistant to large scale manipulation. For the same reason that it is such it sort of disaster to just try to figure out what's going on i hear you but at the same time you know when i hear. Donald trump speaks sort of the last weekend of campaigning. One of his rallies. He said if we don't know the results on election night he said there's going to be bedlam that his word he said he's going to be bedlam and that he specs the supreme court to figure out a way to stop the counting of the votes on the night of the election. The system might be resistant fair to say but it is not entirely immune especially when someone in the of the presidency starts to say these things to say that he expects the results to be counted on election. Night when reality doesn't reflect that. And i guess i'm wondering how is been approaching donald trump's comments about the voting on election day because there's so much room for error and how to handle the president saying these things i mean i think the media has been doing an okay job of not amplifying them too much. Trump doesn't control the machinery of american elections at all. There isn't a central election commission. There isn't a federal agency that runs elections. He's obviously joining up his supporters to you know potentially commit acts of violence. If this thing is close adthe polling places. I am its terrifying and i think he's also bracing for massive massive crowds in the streets outside the white house chanting for him to leave another place. You could imagine getting out of control and in other countries that's often where things get really scary is around the presidential palace. There's lots of reasons to think it will be bedlam. There will be attempts in the courts to there always are in the closer it is. The more vital are to swing the election through the court. The supreme court has not signaled it has a lot of interest in getting involved here deferred attempts to drag it into local election. Controversies the challenge again is the system is so decentralized so messy so complicated that it's not like you elamine right. Now have a point of view on. Whether if chad is hanging the vote should count right. You're gonna develop your position based on whether donald trump wants the chads. Two hangar doesn't want them to hang and if it becomes a local controversy it's going to be decided by courts in accordance with incomprehensible rules and their interpretations that you've never thought about before and we'll immediately polarize along totally partisan lines. And you know. I think the sort of reality is if it's really close. They republicans cream court will put its thumb on the scales. But perhaps only. If it's really close so i think if you're listening to this outside the us you might not quite understand the mechanics of how an election gets called in the us. You mentioned that that country doesn't have a national election commission. Thank you for your candidate listening to that. You're like what doesn't make any sense but the extent to which this stuff makes no sense. It's like we get used to it in the us just to talk through it a little. What we have in lieu of some normal central almost every other country has national commission announces. The winner is we have television really. That's what we have. We have these anchors really slick graphics on yes holograms such yup. More or less holograms basically five channels. Abc nbc cbs cnn and fox who have to varying degrees really smart analysts in the back rooms looking at the votes come in and when they're comfortable that they're sure that based on exit polling and the votes they've seen so far historical local pattern than votes that you've one florida they will announce that element has one florida but that has no legal power legitimacy. Meanwhile what will happen is that over the course of a couple of weeks. The secretary of state in each state will gather the votes and we'll check and double check. The local counts that have come in from every county and will ultimately certify the vote for that state which will trigger a set of electors. Who were people getting sent to a meeting in washington in early january where they will alexa president right. The process that everybody experiences is very high tech. Well-produced glossy dramatic sober presentation of victory on television. The reality is almost invisible. Outmoded bizarre system conducted by people. You've never heard of and usually conducted by the way after the election is done. It's like a snapping up operation that is a vestige of an earlier age and the question of what happens if somehow gets close enough that gets pushed to the front. It's not really ready for primetime. I gotta tell you when you describe it that way and every time that i hear a description of how the electoral college gets together to elect a president make it sounds to me like the group of cardinals will get together and vote for pope and it used to be. It's like as though the catholic church shifted to being an institution governed by the popular with cardinals had no power and could only vote the way that they're regions had voted but they still got to wear the red hats but but actually like they didn't even matter anymore and being a cardinal was a favor you gave away to some guy who would give him money to your campaign and forgot about and once every four years. You've got to put on the hat and go to college and burn the smoke but like it was all foregone conclusion and this is stuff that was just sort of fun pageantry. From long ago as opposed to the people actually pick the pope right. This is a shining city on a hill. We're talking about absolutely incredible. Hey you guys still have a royal governor. Something have a governor general that is appointed to represent the queen. And this is not about. It's exactly like that. it doesn't matter at all. Nobody outside your country knows about it. It's kind of a nice cute thing that like allowed a transition from a colonial to republican system without lots of bloodshed. Fine you have olive candidate in you mentioned on election day. That would love that. That would be so nice to me so much better than my actual mentions. Please come and yell at me canadians. It's at benway's so you mentioned fox. And i wanna go back to that because you mentioned how america has television. That's how you know and fox has been one of trump's sort of biggest platforms have been a megaphone for him president trump. He's moving very fast to fix the country and keep his promises to you. The american people thought very nice. Where like you said dictate to result. I imagine the network is going to be facing a lot of pressure to call the election for trump even in a scenario where he's leading but he's not elected slate put in pretty stark terms. They wrote the fox news. Decision desk controls the fate of american democracy. How worried are you. That fox is not going to do the thing that they should do. You know facts. Like is bizarre complicated institution that doesn't really function the way to expected to function because yes it is. Tv is it a tv run state. Who knows but facts is obviously very very central to donald. Trump's whole thing fox also is very weakly lead it had a sort of powerful chieftain in roger ailes founded in ninety six and was forced to retire in two thousand sixteen after sexual abuse allegations and then died and they never really replaced him. The inmates run the asylum hannity runs. Hannity tucker runs tucker. There's some mid level executives who control bits and pieces here and there and they never really resolved to runs election nights and there's a guy who's been consulting there. The late nineties named aren't in michigan. He voted for hillary clinton last time he sees a upper west side ivy league establishment type. Who runs their decision desk. I interviewed him a couple of weeks ago and asked him who he reports to he. Kinda thought about it for a while and said he didn't know in murdoch there strains murdoch world where he wants to get good information and good intelligence so there's always been this funny circle drawn around the decision desk and it really played out very clearly in two thousand twelve where karl rove bush's consultant was there sort of on-air analysts and the network called the state of ohio for obama. And that means obama's gonna be the next president on air says. That was a mistake. It's too soon. You've gotta wait. The votes aren't all in ohio. What the outcome is going to be. But you should. We gotta be careful about calling things when we have like nine hundred ninety one votes separating the two candidates and a quarter vote yet to count. Megan kelly then walks with her. Microphone back behind the scenes of down this long hallway. We'll do a little interrogations and see if they stand by their call notwithstanding the dallas into this room full of men in suits and arden than says no rose full shit and these are the results. We're actually quite comfortable with the call in ohio. Basically right now. There's just too much obama. Vote that's outstanding. There that we know is gonna come in. Cleveland has been counted yet and ninety nine point. Five percent confident. That's good enough and that was it. It was sort of very sort of like visible showdown between the dominant political side of fox. And this funny little analytical corner that one you know i don't think we're is in love with donald trump. There's no real sign of that and it's just not clear who would sort of execute the coup required to change the calls election so i actually think fox is likely to play that straight. I mean i think other voices on fox's air could amplify trump claims that he'd won but it's pretty hard to see how it would work just technically like murdoch doesn't run a tight enough ship exactly to pull off a clear decisive. Donald trump fake victory. So it's election day. We're expecting to see tonight said the stakes for us about the ways that the media could get this rate or get this wrong. I mean the main way the media can get right. Least initially and margaret sullivan from the washington post. She's fantastic. Had a great column saying this just to be patient and to urge patience. I don't know if you've all followed. The iowa caucuses ten thousand years ago but they took a couple of days to count the votes and television just uniformly on those days tapped their feet and complain about how long it was taking it sort of intimated that there was something wrong because it was taken two days to count the votes. Were still waiting on the results. Which have been promised possibly later today. We have a brief update apparently five pm eastern and we will have the majority of the results. So read into that what you will. We're obviously these people had screwed it up. But you know their goal was ultimately to count all the votes carefully and accurately and it took a couple of days and who cares. And i think it's really important just totally that people on television are like well. Look you know this is people counting votes and you got unfold them from the envelopes and you got a flat in them in the flattening machine you gotta feed them into the scanning machine just takes a little while and it's totally normal and i think just like projecting a level of calm about that is really important and then the nightmare scenario is that it's really close because the the system just isn't built for declare calls close elections. I think at some point. It's no longer totally under the media's control how badly things go. But i think there's an opportunity to be patient to be really really clear about what's going on to not amplify premature claims. Victory being patient and urging patients is the message. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be back in just a second. I'm harry whitman. Talking fans around table that brings together. Prominent former federal officials and special guests like senator. Amy klobuchar congressman at him shift. Stacey abrams david from al franken congresswoman katie porter. Ron clain ashu gaba. Rick wilson engaged in lively conversations about the political and legal issues. That matter most you can find us everywhere. You get your podcasts. Did you know that with drizzly. You can get drinks delivered to your door and under sixty minutes. Yep with drizzly. The number one alcohol delivery app. You can shop a huge selection of beer wine and liquor including favorites like don julio and bullet bourbon plus you can shop across multiple stores in your area to find what you want at the best prices. Download the app or visit. Drizzly dot com. That's d r. I z l. y. And use code. Save to save five dollars on your first order today. Okay we are back and ben. I'm curious about these last four years after trump was elected. The media went through this major reckoning because a lot of most organizations i would say didn't see it coming. there was. This criticism was levelled in the media at the time that we in fact check. Don trump enough. We didn't talk to his supporters enough. Given too much of a platform barely unchecked because he just like kept speaking and the networks kept on carrying it. And i'm not really sure if those criticisms were fair or not. But also i think those criticisms are for better worse still around in this election cycle. Have we done a good enough job of understanding trump supporters. Cutting through to his base are the failings real or imagined. You know it's interesting whenever somebody says we've got to avoid repeating the mistakes twenty sixteen. They mean something different sometimes. They mean that we didn't spend enough time thinking writing about voters sort of off the coasts. Sometimes they mean that we should have been more clearly calling out. Racism as a factor in people's votes them times it means we shouldn't have amplified wikileaks. Probably all of those things are accurate. Actually so i kind of hesitate but there were no end of stories about donald trump voters and people at donald trump rallies. My god like in two thousand sixteen. I think it's such a myth that we didn't do a lot of that. I mean it was so boring and you didn't read it because it was so boring and repetitive. It was like. Here's a way person. Without a college degree at living. Outside the city who resents the sneering attitude that american elites take toward them hillary's deplorable comment really stuck. And if you push they may or may not have some racist views and they love donald trump and like. How many times do you want to read that story. It wasn't like a huge shocker. Right i mean. I do think that there were certain genres that got themselves like twitter ratio de existence. Let's sort of like warm profile of the nazi which was a big twenty sixteen genre but also like it's complicated. And i think that sometimes thrown out with that was the rigorous and aggressive attempt to understand the nazi which is really important so i think we tend to over learn from our mistakes. Classic example of that is everyone is ready for like a state sponsored hacking dump operation aimed at disrupting the election and rudy giuliani kind of like barrels into the news cycle with this like bazaar laptop full of seem actually like genuinely damning emails about hundred bud his attempts to trade on his father's name. Everybody reacts like it. Wikileaks to and twitter in particular like goes into wikileaks mode and blocks links to the new york post article. And it was such a unforced error a bizarre thing to do and kind of frightening honestly like who does twitter think they are and meanwhile the rest of the media had been dealing pretty appropriately with the new york post article which is like. This is a really weirdly sourced article that also has some stuff in it. That's interesting and let's see if we can get ready guiliani to share with us. The hard drive. Nope he will not do that. Be get the biden campaign to confirm. Some of this is real. Nope they're not talking to us. See find other ways and then detroit it proportionally. This is not ultimately a story about joe biden. It's a story about his son who he knew was trading out his name and we knew had problems the media i actually was handling all that with the per free level of kind of proportionality and twitter and the attempt to cast. That story is something it really wasn't or doesn't appear to have been was the mistake and was an overreaction. Well let's talk about the over correction. Because i think that's an interesting note because one thing that we see now constantly is the fact checking of donald trump. I think it's fair to do. Because he's a the president and be sort of habitually mendacious but there's something to be said about the sort of constant fact checking of him and also added to it what could be perceived as an attempt to shield joe biden from criticism in a way that is not afforded to donald trump. And i'm wondering how you think. Bat affects the way that trump is perceived by his own supporters. I'm a little uncomfortable with official affecting apparatus. I mean i think it's good that reporters as part of their daily journalism. Call out and identify when he's lying or just ignore if it's not appropriate amplify it but there's something kind of pedantic about fact checking and there's also inevitable mission creep in fact checking we're fact checkers. Look what they do intermittently see them. You know trump will say the economy's gonna get better or like my policies or good and you'll see fact checkers sort of way and i'm like well like according i'm like twenty three year old and my first job and i think the economy is going to get better so i'm labeling this three-quarters false and it's like that's not a fact that's politics and it makes you look like an idiot when you do that in discredits the rest of what you do if you really need to be a full time fact checker like. Please stay in your box but they find it very very hard to do that. Because it's like a very boring box to be in so i would rather that the kind of media that people consume paid a lot of attention to facts into truth into lies that you employed like an alternate apparatus to do the same thing. I gotta tell you. I've been a journalist for eight years or so. And i have never thought about the machinery of journalism as much as i have in the last three years it was a pretty stable profession. Get into before that. And now i just constantly have to think about the thing that we're doing in ways that i never anticipated at half do not a lot of that is because of how. The media responded to the trump presidency. How do you think he's changed the media. How do you think he's changed the press you know. He's come along at a moment of very intense change. And i think a little hard to separate these things out. He's also himself basically a media figure in a media entrepreneur and media phenomenon. There's a brazilian writer whose name emblazoned on who's written about how trump is like giving the american people like a four year reality show of authoritarian ism without the actual governance like saw the border but most americans are not dealing with federal security services in their lives or having their emails monitored. There haven't been arrests political activists the things you see in real authoritarian governments but he talks like it and we get to lakes. Try that if we can change the channel if we want and so like there's a strange phenomenon that his presidency is like itself largely just media not entirely with real effects on people but to a larger degree than most sort of meaningful political leaders. Most of what he does is in the media and in the culture like how much he talked about a wall versus. How little wall got built. A big part of his presidency is virtual and is media itself. And then meanwhile he's obsessed with the legacy media with the new york times washington. Post cnn nbc news. Two degree that nobody cared about these institutions this much for years long declining institutions right and trump's attacks on them or obviously like a form of love and obsession and i think he's really elevated them helped the massively driven subscriptions. You put them back at the center of the culture. At a moment when i think when we were at buzzfeed during the obama years and i think there's a sense from the left end from the right that outlets like buzzfeed that what was happening on snapchat was moving culture. Maybe more than an article in the new york times and trump has picked up particularly like broadcast television off the ash heap of history. Dusted it off and given it at least four more years. I have to say that. I did not anticipate in two thousand twenty two still be talking about the ways that traditional sort of television broadcasting was to be relevant but certainly donald trump's presidency is kind of given this new life in a way that i imagined even bake quite appreciate. It's a pretty strange phenomenon right. The people he spends the most time attacking or the ones who profit most from his presidency. Yeah that's true. That's a good point. We've talked a lot about what might happen tonight. What are you gonna be watching for over the next bunch of weeks. Because i imagine this might take a bunch of weeks i mean. I don't think this is a normal situation for like a usual. Here's what i'm watching for is a pundit you know what are we watching for like whether the republic false apart or now in most scenarios. There's a really clean winner and people behave grudgingly or not responsibly. And then there are scenarios you can imagine where it's incredibly messy in deteriorates massively. That was both in irving. And that's what i go for. Congratulations on your republic. I hope you can keep it. Thank you so much coming on the podcast which is really nice to hear your voice. I hope you will recommend me for asylum gleefully. I'll be like this. Man is yale educated. Over your great wonderful ben smith. Thank you so much man. Ben smith is the media columnist for the new york times. I'm your host element if you want a recap of election night tomorrow morning. Be sure to check out what our pows over at. Cbs's daily news podcast furner doing and follow the latest tonight at cbc news dot ca party in the usa is made by cbc news and cbc. Podcasts thank you so much for listening of talk to you. Thursday on the regular party lines with rosemary barton for more. Cbc podcasts go to cbc dot ca slash podcasts.

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Ali Aslam

"The from the banks of the grand river high above the gorge. This is the buzzer pod. New releases industry insiders out of the box conversations in music with guests from the true north from the west coast to the east coast and across the pond and down under now. Here's shave on air indie episode seven. Welcome enjoy it's february. The second today in nineteen fifty-nine buddy. Holly richard balanced and the big bopper played last ever gig. They appeared at the surf ballroom. Clear lake iowa. They died in a plane crash. The following day the day that music died in nineteen fifty-nine. Our guest is indie folk songwriter. Alleyoop slam based in brooklyn new york. Allie gets real about his debut album. The last american the last american an stick collage of stories about growing up. Straddling a pakistani culture of his family and the american culture of his peers. Anyone who's ever felt they don't quite on for any reason will relate to this show. Welcome alley how are you today. I'm doing well share. How are you. i'm doing great. Did you have a wonderful holiday. I did yeah. I had a very pleasant to present. Pleasant break us good to have a break. Your debut album. The last american is getting great reviews in particular vents magazine and current music dot com They actually said it was beautiful expiration of sandwich. I agree with Is there any other nods to the album. It can tell yeah. The dancing with architecture had a really great review. that That just was lovely written. And then i. I was just featured in rolling stone india Yesterday is kind of an artist to check out and and a record at checkout which was a little bit of a surprise for for all of us. But but you know. We're grateful for the coverage for sure david day franklin of dancing about rx gesture road great review and he actually said that your song really about america of the world today. How do you feel about that Well that was the line that really kind of touched me we had. We had this thesis about What we were trying to do right. And who and who. You're writing for And you can have a lot of ideas about what you're doing as an artist or what you're doing for project but for them you know someone else to listen to your work And sort of pick up on all of those intentions or so many of those intentions. It's it's really kinda gratifying And so i. I'm very grateful for that. Review volley wrote an excellent review. I couldn't have written it any better. Sounds terms of music always drawn to music certain event or happening that drew you to me. Well i. I've always been drawn to music. But i i didn't have the opportunity to be a musician until a bit later It's it's a little bit of a interesting story where i you know. I graduated college. I studied architecture and graduated right in the first few months of the of the recession. And there was an There's no work for anybody. But there was a specially no work for architects right because nobody was building investing or developing. And so there was just a lot of time. You know. And i and i went to a a new year's party or actually i don't remember what what what the occasion was. I went to a party at a friend's house and He had a bunch of band gear in the basement. You know he had hit a drum kit and some a bunch of guitars and amps and things so just asked him about it too cool. You have a band. And he's like yeah. We do but we don't have a singer. I'm looking for a singer. And i said i'm a singer which at the time was an absolute lie. I had never been a public performer of any kind. You is saying the shower but not too loud. Because they don't want anybody hear me. But here i am with a lot of time my hands and my and my friend has abandoned. He needs a singer and So so now. I'm going to be a singer. And he says great. Go home and send me a demo now. I'm terrified right. Because i have to one figure out what a demo is and to record one So like. I said i had a lot of time in my hand so i went home and i recorded a demo of me singing And i didn't like any of it And so i. I kind of call him back and i said you know you guys composed anything And so he. He sent me a link to kind of instrumental things that they had been working on. And i wrote a few songs for those pieces and i kind of came to their next rehearsal and perform them and they loved it And that was kind of my in Until sort of becoming a musician actually through through songwriting the home before anything else perform mostly solo act. It's mostly solo act now That band i am still in touch with all of them. And i love them. But you know that was that was sort of right out right out of school And you know we're all still kicking around but over time. Economies approved relationships change And you know kind of people move in different directions. So that band kind of broke up But then all of a sudden i was. I was a singer. A songwriter without Without a lot of musical skills under my belt so the road to becoming a solo artist is a little bit of a winding one Because i had to kind of learn how to compose in different ways. Now right United always kind of had a band communicate with and people to to lean on and now all of a sudden i didn't But i was still writing. And i was still kind of coming up with melodies and coming up songs and lyrics but i didn't. I didn't have a lot of guitar skills. They didn't have a lot of skills. So those kind of i had to pick those up. I had to learn how to do that. before i could truly call myself a solo artist so you taught yourself adult. Oh yeah absolutely. I came into. Music is an adult and kind of backwards. If you think about it like was was the front man in a band and having a lot of fun and we. We made some great music. But i'm very proud of that ban called the new bedford's And then i find myself kind of improving as a writer and then not having all the tools i need to to kind of keep keep this craft going And so yeah. I sort of i. I've written all the songs. And i i would perform them acapella. You know i. I would show up to open mics and perform acapella. And then i i kind of slowly found Some compatriots who who could teach me. And then i could learn what whatever else i needed to learn to learn how to play the songs that i'd already written so yeah definitely. I definitely came into this as an adult and very much with the with the intention of creating the project. That's out in the world now. So is your future dedicated. She said are you still active in architecture. No no i'm. I'm still an architect and i and i and i love that You know every career has a sort of a winding path. And i think i'm at a point. Now where i. I have a lot of clarity about what it is that i do Especially on the architecture side. As the way i frame it is that like i am a storyteller and i have two different medium in which i carry out that craft right so i'm storyteller and i get to do the and architecture as a designer and get to do that in music as a songwriter. A singer and recording artist. Yes both are created obedience like you say and both the creative endeavors like you see why you're successful at both. Well thank you so whether influence says you're welcome. No i actually enjoy listening to music very soothing. Thank you thank you. I have every intention to crates fought. Thank about Keep doing a did you. When you were growing up was music around june did any of that spillover into your music or something that you were the first of of flop to become interested in that career. Well i would say music is always around us the way. It isn't a lot of households right like you know you've got you've got the radio and you've got The the music that your your family. Your parents are listening to or your or your siblings are listening to But i would say that context is a little different when you are either immigrant or or you know what i am which is a first generation american And so what. I mean is like the music that i absorbed. I absorbed like a whole history of american music Kind of all at the same time You know my. My dad came to america in the seventies i was i was born here And so what that means is you know. I didn't learn about the beatles from my dad. When i when i was a kid going through his record collection. He didn't have one for me to dig through I learned about the beatles when i was in college the same time that i was listening to jay z. At the same time that i was discovering the new jersey punk band And so like all of those things kind of into the same context Which which is sort of how is always experienced music or popular music at the same time. My dad is a poet or the poet he performed shady Which is Which is how you referred to that Publishable he is yeah. He's a published poet He goes by the pen. Name of saddam He has he has a. He's a book of of or do poetry. And you know that's always been a part of my life and it's beautiful And you know or the poetry is mostly Mostly spoken And so there's a rhythm and cadence to it. That's that's sort of the most fundamental part of how do poetry is structured And so that's always been kind of around me but no one would have called that music until Until i started making music. I guess you're al. Last american is a collage of stories about growing up and straddling the pakistani culture of your family In america would like to highlight one of the tracks or two sure Let's see i think the easiest thing you know this a few I would say wise men in the fool is very much about Straddling cultures Seasons change without permission is a little bit about my relationship to my dad Brave is definitely about straddling cultures Photocopy is is is about being an outsider and kind of looking in and kind of trying to understand your own role in a culture not Rebel song is is definitely how about that About that idea of just sort of kind of deciding whether or not you can live your own truth and what that means refugee. Is you know. Just this story about What it means to leave home. You know and i think that that that's a perspective that wasn't necessarily being told In the story of kind of muslim refugees or refugees really any kind kind of fleeing strike for poverty and income coming to this country. So i wanted to write a song about that. I think i think. I think there's a way that you can construe all of these songs to be a little bit about that that. Divide so you. Identify your music as supersonic folk. Yes it can you tell us a bit about. That is the new job. Well i. it's it's It's a descriptive. Applies in vodka of the sound. That we're creating. I think at the heart. These are these songs And you know it's important to me that these are american folksongs There's lots of reasons for that but the first is that like in in the us american folk is very And it's very white centric you know and it's about An appalachian tradition. And it's it's about guitar and this whole kind of stop and holler americana thing But in all other art forms folk is it's about you know sort of self taught art right and it's a way for people to inaudible their own lives And so from my perspective. This is a a first generation american. Someone who who's kind of been asked to be an outsider or sees himself as an outsider staking claim to that title of american folk But because because of that context of what what the rest of american focused their requires a little bit of qualification and so this is getting back to widow sort of talking about earlier. Where were you kind of synthesize you experience music a little differently when you're an immigrant or when you are first generation american right Near your your context begins when your parents arrive Or when you first arrived in this country when your story begins in this country right so for me. This sort of musical context. In which i'm creating folk music begins in the seventies through today but it's all it's all experienced at once and we were trying to synthesize that perspective in to a sound I think some of it we succeeded in others can judge whether or not all of that comes across. But that's what we're trying to do in this of profile of of music And so there's there's a certain swagger that that That guitars have. And then there's a there's there's synthesizers and there's funk r&b and and kind of all these things that are sort of happening at once that we were trying to Tell story with. Your music is compared to Is out of misnomer. Combined can see it. Oh yeah absolutely. Absolutely i adore springsteen. Yeah i mean there's there's mythology in music right And butte and bruce springsteen is is one of those kind of mythological characters in in pop music and and he he has the ability to tell very small stories in hap- slightly huge epic proportions right the like he changes the scale of your life in the midst of a song And so you know discovering bruce springsteen was was a huge moment for me and he's definitely he remains a big influence perfectly proud to have grown up in new jersey and claim him as my own under other artists. Youtube was a big. It was a big influence for me. a kind of rediscovered. Music is a period. When i was when i was a kid actually didn't listen to music at all And then kind of early high school Youtube had released All all that. You can't leave behind. And i love that record And i've heard on the radio and had to go by at night. I love that record And that was sort of a way back into to music. But then there's there's teagan and sara who. I adore as you know they're just i think some of the best pop writers on earth If ever get to work with anybody wanna work with them. and then there's you know going in high school. There was this whole kind of culture of new jersey. Punk bands. The gaslight anthem And then as i got older kind of discovered motown and those marvin gaye and michael jackson and the jackson five That is like those are my touchstones i would say The killers are big. One to those are definitely my touchstones. It's all about this like the scale in the cinema of at all surver- coming up to listen to your first track color of the sudden that was released october. Two thousand and twenty Can you tell us what the story is about a love song or in inner turmoil about the situation. Yeah so this song. Where i you know when i play this live. I i kind of say that this is little bit of This is my world view. This song is is a is a Synopsis of my world view. Which is i want to live in a more compassionate world and i acknowledged that compassion is very hard that and that's and that's really what the heart of the song is about I i had you know my my road to becoming a solo act. A solo musician was a little bit winding. But i found myself in a community of songwriters in new york And you know there's so many wonderful songwriters in new york city Who who who. Who songs have the power to just you through whatever it is you have to be going through and so so. There's there's people around me who songs i had lived in And in some ways this song began as a tribute to them and ultimately like in the recorded version. The lyric references. These these other songs was actually cut just because it made the song a little bit more focused but it began in this in this kind of recognition. That is a lot of borrowed courage. in other people's music you know someone can sing a song and it can. It can get you through a moment. and this song was sort of acknowledging that that. I'm taking that from other people and i'm grateful for it and in spite of that You know. I find myself lacking In achieving this this thesis of of wanting more compassionate world because because it's really hard And so when we when we remove that reference. I think it became a lot more focused and so what lives on live on. The record is is this. You know lament about wanting to be better and recognizing that you're always failing being better wanting is is a big part of getting better right so So that's what the song is. Allie can you give us an introduction to the song color of the sun he. Yeah absolutely So i have a friend. He says there's two kinds of songs one is poetry and the other is bad journalism in journalism. Being you know this is something that happened to you and the song is actually It's a it's a. It's bad journalism disguised as poetry And by that. I mean you know. There's a bridge the song that says Is ringing in my ear. That just won't go away and it keeps me awake at night And that's a reference to you. Know i actually have Pretty severe tonight's our tennis is pronounced which is which is a persistent ringing in your ears. That goes back to an injury that i had Once again at at a at a at a party fourth of july party this time and someone of those little like gunpowder snaps heathrow at the ground you get him at fourth of july parades in they make little popping noises Someone through one of those at my head and it blew up near my ear. And from that moment on. I've had i've had this ringing in my ears Which for anybody who. Who has this will recognize that this. This can be a very very stressful condition. I also have fairly significant hearing loss in my left ear. So awesome introduction to ask the truck. We'll come back to talk to allie about his hearing loss and how it affected the music just so now we're gonna listen to color of the sun of how lignins v boo. Some straight loss were senior. Can't hold it in mind And so the people you lost as you on your own added stories on on you. Every night live and businesses you know where myself timing look. Uh-huh to have you here. Affected would be very challenging if wanting to create music. Well it so. That was the challenge. Is that for a long time. I didn't think that i could continue on my path as a musician. Because i was worried that i couldn't hear you know the truth of whatever it was doing i mean i i had to. I had to reevaluate my voice. 'cause i couldn't hear my own voice the same way that i had previously 'cause it wasn't just the reigning but but the hearing loss itself rank. I lost certain frequencies so the the sureness that you have in a pitch is no longer what you remember it right so you have to kind of re learn all of that kind of muscle memory And so you know being a songwriter kind of always looking for meaning in things. No it took me years to get to the song but but but i sort of liked that idea that like the things that you that you care about our hard-won right And if what i care about is is wanting to be better and wanting to be more compassionate Then maybe this condition This kind of constant pain. is a symbol And i can use it to whatever. I want it to be right and so now it's a symbol for me is just a reminder that that i'm not the most important thing in the world and i can care about other people so you an event Last christmas on december twenty fifth. It was quite a collaboration with other artists. Yeah so this is An evolution of a tradition. That i have so i. I'm muslim and my family doesn't celebrate christmas per se. We don't really have a holiday this time of year. But for as long as i've lived in new york and had friends new york. I've always known that there are people who find their way here and around the holidays Either by circumstance or choice aren't able to go home or or or unwilling to go home or for whatever. Reason are kind of orphaned on the holiday and so every year i would host. You know christmas dinner or more. I would decorate the house. And i i you know i i make a big meal and invite really anybody who was left behind and we'd have kind of christmas dinner at my place And this year being twenty twenty and they're being pandemic. There are a lot more people than usual in that condition where they're sequestered home and maybe is a link for eight or nine months And for all the same reasons. I can't i can't have this party that might normally have i can't have this dinner So i i kind of enlisted all of my or many of my musician friends to come join me on this broadcast that we could just have on and it would be on for five hours on christmas day and anybody who's home alone or or really just home in didn't have anything to do kind of feeling disconnected left out would have something real An holiday seemed happening right now that they could they could connect with and engage with And so that's that's really where that came from. And i'm grateful that i have so many very very talented musical friends who who are willing to join me in that in that effort because Because i think a very very wonderful thing for you too. Thank you it. It felt good. It was a lot of fun. You livestream two for five hours different locations. Yeah so i'd set up Just kind of you know i have. I had like a portal and then everyone kind of call in almost zoom call and everyone time slots that they would come in and do their half hour set and introduce them and You know i would say thank you introduce the next artists and and you know they would all they were all kind of streaming in from from their own homes but it was live and you know there were hundreds of people commenting and we all kind of engage at least online in a way that almost felt like a live show and almost felt like a little bit of a festival But it was. You know i. It was just A way of trying to help people feel a little bit more connected In a time when when nobody's really connected with the underground music collective at appears to be a very supportive interesting group. Can you tell me that more Sure yeah So that is the brainchild of one. Gerard longo And i think it began in lehigh valley where he was living at the time and he just wanted to showcase local artists because At the time you know i i was a i was the front man of a band. Called the new bedford's we were based out of new jersey And there were a lot of really kind of interesting punk acts. bans a Based out of new jersey in northern pennsylvania And he took it upon himself to an show up at every tiny gig that every pant that he heard about And then you kind of created a a media platform around which To talk about these events and it's sort of it's it's always great to find someone who just like wants to go out of their way to champion independent musicians right And he then moved to nashville And then in nashville has kind of grown his platform into a kind of a bigger bigger thing in terms of influence and the amount of people who are exposed to it And now he has other collaborators. Other writers work with him So the underground music collective kind of grown into just a really great resource for independent artists and he and i have been in touch for years right so with a new bedford's broke up and You know. I wasn't doing a whole lot of public work until relatively recently in the second he kinda caught wins at this record was coming. He wanted to hear it. He wanted to review. He wanted to to listen to everything and he wanted to to help us. Get our music out there. And so he's he's He and the rest of the folks at the underground music elective are really a great resource in highly recommend Anybody who's trying to play this game of being a musician and being public act Look them up and through. This there was the livestream in october of last year. They gave you support in the making of the last american. Do they not. Oh yeah absolutely So the last american You know i get to put my name on it. Because i wrote all the songs and and all of that but there are An army of people who kind of went into helping me create right. First and foremost is my producer. e w harris who Was also part of that holiday livestream. He's a great friend And he was a friend long before he was my producer but I met him in new york city in this kind of open mic scene and then later in what we refer to as big city folk which is a songwriter collective new york city and he became my one of my kind of great co-conspirators In in making his he's kind of He served champion my songs and was able to help me build this album With with the vision that we had for it You know there's dan saw he. He taught me how to play guitar. there is now connolly. Who kind of is at the center of the wheel at so many of these big city folk events Who's always been kind of a mentor to me Also great friend But yeah i found this community in this community kinda came together for me on this album And they keep doing it. And i adore them for it. And i'm there for them to still hack driven the collective. Yeah yeah I mean again. He runs he runs the show. And i i support him in any way that i can and really what he wants. People like me to be doing is is making music Which you know. That's that's what we're trying to do And and you know if we can sort of be a resource to other musicians. So they're kind of like private private facebook groups for for Musicians connected each other and Collaborate or or give each other advice. And you know. I'm i'm kind of. I'm on those forms as well has been more active Yeah i think. A lot of bands have been struggling with kind how to reinvent their their presence their identity in a world that's that's all digital right and so they've definitely been conversations about how to do that And and who's doing it well and who isn't. And then the underground music collective has kind of gone out of their way to partner with venues in nashville to create Streaming shows And the converted. What used to be an in person. Showcase into an online showcase which a lot of off of venues have taken that route But they're just you know they're trying to create opportunities for for smaller independent accident and they're doing a great job. Allier track the little picture a us release with your south and repeat land made the unc fifty twenty twenty impactful songs from an impact on year list. How did you feel about that whole out. Yeah so ruby is. She's one of these. She's she's she's young one of these Songwriter that you find in At a at these open mics and song clubs in new york city and i met her at a big city folk event And she she's a great guitarist and she has youthful beautiful voice And i had written this song. Little picture about a lot of things. But one of the things i've written about was just sort of like generational reef right this. This idea that a lot of friends who were either becoming parents are trying to become parents or struggling with the idea that they were now parents might. This was the stage of life. I was then. I read the song and you know it's a hard thing and i think a lot of times. We don't get to acknowledge how hard thing that is And i'd heard ruby singing these songs like so many of us do about kind of the complicated relationship that we have with our parents And so when it came time to record this for for the album I wanted to bring her in. Because i just i think. Her voice is a great counterpoint. to mind It's like it's almost the polar opposite character. The her voice has relatives of mine. But also i think it like sort of added a different perspective right like she's singing the same lyrics than i am But because it's her voice in because of her music. I think it gave the song sort of duality to perspectives. Being sung into the thing at the same time. And i think that was a really special Track because it's also one of the ones on the on the record that has the least amount of production right. It's really just just an acoustic guitar. our voices and a very very subtle kind of electric guitar. Piece sort of floats over the background. Right and that's it whereas there's other songs on this record that have a ton of tracks a ton of instrumentation a ton of this thing's gonna flying at you from from different directions in the song was just as a stripped down his naked as we could as we could bear On this record so From from From composition of view. I just i just love being able to get her voice on their inhabit. Means something to me and also the she makes song you know. I think it's it's just that much more beautiful with with her on it And for for for the Declared as one of the fifty most impactful things that just you know this is my debut record right and no one. No one has really consumed a lot of my music before now And said to be on any kind of this. Like that is is really. It's really moving Right because you know the second anybody's like a cool check this out You know it's one thing that's your friend but it's another thing when someone saying it's like no in a difficult year. This is one of those songs that we turn to Because they matter to us and so that like what else. Could i ask for as a as a as a writer as musician. Condition coming up for listening to attract rave very brooding all toke track. I can tell us about about this. Oh yeah So this song. I think this is one of those songs that a lot of muslim americans might identify with. It's a difficult song a little bit. You know because it's dark and it's quiet and it's like you said it's brooding but It's about in. There was a moment in in public life where it felt like there was an was a new crisis. Every minute a new disaster a new bombing or shooting or something. And there's this sort of terrifying reaction that Miss americans are trained for at this point And one is you know. Immediate reaction to to something horrible happening is oh my god. That's horrible right But the second reaction that is happening. And you don't want to talk about. Is i hope to god that whoever perpetrated this horrific thing is not a muslim because the second the name comes out my life changes again or becomes more difficult or someone so becomes At risk right and so. This song was a little bit about that The shame of that of that reaction and recognizing that i don't just get degreef This horrible thing that. I also have to be on guard of of how people react to to my existence because of this horrible thing So that was the the big part of it but the song didn't really get completed until Was twenty sixteen. Yeah swing sixteen because That was when donald trump was running for president for the first time And the dnc had a you know the convention happened Visser sean gave a speech and it was the first time that i can remember in my life seeing anyone that looked like someone who might have been my dad or might. Have you know one of the people that i grew up. West occupying the space of of american heroism. And if you remember the speech but it was it was a very powerful moment And i think a lot of messiah americans who were kind of conscious at that time. We're eight attention and saw that meant a lot to them and so The back half of the song sort of dedicated to him and walking. That's incredible Depiction of what songs about. So now we're going to listen to brave another dose of distant On tv Another show of shame that a very very this has nothing to do with me. I have so much someone's darkest another flag across my vegas Remind the fear of known will never go with this one as nothing to do with me. And i have much to uh though. Don't you sweat it. Some people get hit not the way it goes because it takes. What it ticks. When you want what you want but you sir. sledded go. That's word regretted when you know that the price is too much to pay. But you've made anyway then. The devil won't settle the legend sabih stranger. We've been all this time Is there somewhere we can run to live the rest of it and this has nothing to do with me and die so much to Now don't you sweat it. Some people get hurt. That's the way it goes because it takes what it takes when you want what you want but you want so jealous. Let it go deer. That's what regretted when you know that the price is too much depite but anyway then that the devil ledger today The voice we always seem to brown saw instance Fine oh with the alley. That's my favorite track. The helpful a twenties like this. I was like. Oh god. I love those And i let you know. Both tracks are on my playlist on spotify. It's beautiful. thank you so much that that means more to me than anything else. thank you. But i'm very picky. But what. I call malysz I love that. Because i listened to it when i'm working think it's my personal playlist. I'm not doing it for any other reason. Except to promote the indian the site date needs to be brown. The what future projects jab line After this album well it's hard right because we're we just released it and we're still trying to get people to listen to it and discover the record discover me And it's it's a little bit. I think a lot of artists are struggling with the right because we don't know what the next couple of years look like. It's a bit alarming. We we. I want tour Because i have this romantic idea about music as you know as a as resonance And wanting to find belonging which is so much of what this record is about so my my my ideas that i should be able to play this all over this country in wherever wherever i find people respond to it i can belong there and the more places i played in the more places i can belong the more. I can have some ownership over over this thing. That is being american So i'm not giving up on that. We're still going to tour and we're still gonna figure how to do that. We just don't know when In the more immediate future We're we're trying to figure out how to do some more interesting live shows You know as hopefully as vaccines rollout as case numbers go down. Which isn't where they are at the moment but hopefully You know that creates options for me getting the band back together and kind of Doing live shows with with more instrumentation. Than i've been able to do in the past so that's the sort of kind of immediate thing. And then there's already a next record right like their songs that are gonna wind up on whatever the next project is but i'm not quite ready to commit to win. That's going to be just yet. I'm not for still still in the thrust of this. You're going to organize anymore livestreams. Oh absolutely absolutely yeah. I think In january Which realizes when we're airing. I'm announcing a kind of more regular series of live streams and hopefully I i think that'll be. It'll be more fun for me because the holiday stream was was really fun It was also like a learning process right like a way to just engage with a community. That was a little bit different and not necessarily what i was expecting But i think a lot of people enjoyed it and engaged with noaa. That was interesting. So i'm gonna one of those things that i used to do. You know it's a secret Was i used to host house concerts at my apartment. You know To try and showcase the artists that i thought were brilliant And i think the plan at the moment is to is to set up a series of live streams where or. It's a little bit of that round. Kind of you know i'll be performing sat Because i'm because i need to be doing that in in in playing this music and telling the story And we've been crafting a show around. What what these songs are but to also be able to kind of extend that platform to other people i think is just. It's interesting smart. Lets me connect with musicians and people that i miss on before we go. Allie can you tell us Where best to buy. Download your music. Sure yeah i mean you're you're welcome to stream it. On on spotify apple music tidal deesor. Whatever your platform choices if you want to buy it You can head to band camp and all of that is accessible at my website. Which is streetlight. Shaman dot com. Thank you for joining a positive having a chat with me. I really enjoyed our talk and the depth that goes into your music is just forget insane. I love it. I love your music before you came on the show. I'm loud like a fan thank you. It's it's nice to be able to The dig into it a little bit as it when you write. It feels crazy when you're when you're trying to put so much into something Because you're not sure anybody's going to hear it but it's nice to be able to talk about it these fat. My background is english lahser. I've made a writer for forty years. I write poetry songwriter as well I have a daughter. That's a poet So i really appreciate the what you do and the lyrics that you're writing and the music you're putting out as an artist to an artist's i appreciate it's amazing. Thank you very very much. thank you. Allie blisters tune into ali. Aslam listened to his latest tracks from the last american album. Color of the suburbs and brave. They are out now. So thank you all for listening in today. Next episode on february the fourth jared harper joins us from san fran in the style of indie act of rock but not exclusive to. He creates piece of work. That the audience can relate to jared halpern. Is an acoustic style. Singer songwriter own arranged in san francisco. He racked up over six hundred thirty thousand views on youtube after appearing on season. Eighteen of voice. Jared harper is an upcoming artists. We need to feature on the buzzer in so catch at the pot. On february fourth on air indie from ipad to yours over the airways subscribe or at the buzzer pod. Dot com cheers.

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Ep. 9 Adventure in the Dakota's

We RV the Millers

40:19 min | 2 months ago

Ep. 9 Adventure in the Dakota's

"Hey everyone mike here from we. Rv the millers. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. It's free the creation tools that allow you to record at your podcast right for your phone. Your computer will distribute your podcast for. You can be heard on spotify podcasts. In many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership and everything you need to make. A podcast is in one convenient place. Download the free anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. mike. I'm ashley we are chilly. They keep telling us. We're gonna have snow. But i'll believe it when i see it. You wanna see snow with move back up to the great lakes now. I've never lived there. I don't wanna move there where they do have snow. Where north dakota today. We wanna talk to you about two states that you might not think about visiting but we visited and fell in love with the sites that we took in there. That was some amazing country to drive through. It really was. And i was not expecting to love south dakota and north dakota as much as we did visiting there and the wind. They're not kidding when they say gets windy on the plains there's some wind thankfully not much of our stay was on the planes but yeah that definitely was an issue. We took our first big trip out west two years ago now. Three years three summers ago. Now man that long ago and we are first. Big stop was in south dakota. Did you ever watch little house on the prairie growing up. No i'm not into that kind of stuff. I definitely watched it with my mom occasionally and read some of the books. But it's not something. That's huge in our household. Now but during the research of south dakota and trying to get out there from delaware hall we stumbled onto a museum called the homestead in dismissed south dakota. This is not something that i'd expected to enjoy not really. I knew the story of little house on the prairie but actually going to the homestead that was actually a very cool experience and they don't really have a ton of spots for you to experience it overnight but i was surprised that they even had spots overnight. So this ingles homestead is a living history museum and they also allow camping there. They have four. Rv sites that have water and electric and it was for us really inexpensive at about thirty dollars a night and the site was up on the hill. So you could see out over the homestead in for at least two three months. If you don't have a camper they also had other ways that you could stay overnight in the homestead how cool those covered wagons. Look it was so cool. It was like a tent site that was built into a covered wagon that you could rent for like sixty to seventy dollars a night when i checked their website and that i mean that would really give you that. True traveling out west experience minus the indoor plumbing. Let's not push it that far. I mean you're not walking the miles a day in that but it was still cool. The also had a bunk house like a cabin that you could run for eighty dollars a night or you could just set up your own tent for about ten dollars a night on the homestead. They did have bathroom and shower facilities for you if you didn't have your own camper but what was even cooler was the actual them when you were there and being able to access everything overnight. Once everybody left. That was a really neat experience for me. I'm sure for you. But definitely for the kids to have basically the run of the place once they close to the general public so on the homestead they have a covered wagon ryan to be able to get you to the schoolhouse. That is not the exact schoolhouse that laura ingalls wilder taught in that unfortunately burned down but they rebuilt it and moved it to the homestead. So you could take a covered wagon ride to that. They pony in pony cart rides for the kids. They also showed you how they did. Rope twisting and my goodness. Our kids played with those ropes. The entire trip for the rest out west and then when we got home and they also meet some corncob dole's so you could see what kids would play with out west during that time period which was neat in an itself. Because you don't really think of well. What are the kids. Do for fun when you're travelling in a wagon out west. It's a lot different than what we're traveling out west. You can't just throw a movie in the players. They had all these cool little games that they could do. The one that the big wheel ring the kids had with the stick try was kind of cool to. I'm on the homestead. They have a recreation of the house. That the ingalls family lived in the bar nets there and they actually had animals a like. I said the schoolhouse. There's also a church that is still in use. That is part of the museum and of course they have a gift shop with everything in anything. You could buy related to little house on the prairie but it was just really fun to stop and See part of history and be able to stay there and have the run of the police. Like mike said overnight. Now one tip about this place is make sure you have everything you need for one night or two nights day. If that's how you're gonna be there because it legitimately is in the middle of nowhere. The town that is nearby has one restaurant a post office and a grocery store. That really isn't that great of a grocery store. Yeah but there's things there and then there's some other Ingles related stops that you could go to. We didn't take anything there because we stayed on the homestead. We were there for two nights just because we got there really late. The first night than spent the day at the museum the next And spent overnight before we would leave but it was just a fun experience. Especially if you're interested in the ingalls family at all and then leaving. There was an adventure because the road that you're not getting right back on the highway. You're getting on one of those. Let's state highway. I guess is what they're called. It's not really a gravel dirt road for a while that were we were driving with the With the camper. That was not too fun. The madonna's bad as the one that we experienced up in northern pennsylvania when that was my fault on that rude so we left. This met and our next stop was hill. City south dakota and if you have never been there before we spent five nights there and it was not enough for us. It absolutely wasn't there is. That is a great location to serve as a base camp to explore the western part of south dakota and let me tell you about beauty of the outdoors. The amount of national parks that we were able to get to at hill city. South dakota was amazing. And we're going to quickly talk about the camps resort that we stayed at to be able to use our base camp. Now there are hotels there that you could stay at but this campground that we stayed at. I have not been to a better one. I don't think this may be the nicest campground we've been to. In the course of four and spacious. I mean the amount of space from being out west that the land was cheaper at the time not very developed. The amount of space at this campground was astounding. And i enjoyed the campground. Because when you first pulling you're pulling in right off the main road and hill city and i pulled in And we're gonna hear all these trucks in the construction. No because the entrance to the camp ground is a salad half mile. Three quarters of a mile before you actually enter the actual campground itself. It's like the long ranch driveway. That you see on the tv shows like if you're watching dallas or yellowstone or something. They have the mile long driveway. Before you actually get to where you're going so. The place that we stayed is called rafter. J ranch in hill city south dakota we stayed at a full hookup or site which meant that. We had water and electricity and the sewer hookup but they lots of different levels of rv sites. I see since we went. They actually have premium sites with concrete pads and tables and chairs at now that you can rent but looking at their new information depending on the style of rv site that you're looking for it's gonna cost you between sixty four and ninety nine dollars a night which is not bad considering the location. You're at everything you're around and the amenities at rafter. J are pretty phenomenal. The pool was also and it was heated which was really nice not counting even the hot tub that they had. But if you don't have an rv and you're interested in checking out the rafter j ranch. They do have tent camping Or they have cabins that you can rent. And there was quite the spread of cabins where you could choose extremely rustic cabins from about eighty three dollars a night. All the way up to it was called like a ranch house style cabin which looked super fancy for about two hundred forty dollars a night and these are offered the peak seasons so this is in the middle of summer from june to august that everybody wants to go out there because the weather was beautiful. You forget that they get feet of snow in the wintertime and Just wanna stay there forever now. We unfortunately were out there peak-time because we were out there over the fourth of july holiday which was an amazing experience in and of itself. But you can definitely see that they do get feet of snow because some of the roads actually had signs road closed october first to march first or snowmobile traffic. Only during this time and that's a lot of snow for talking. That's how you get so at rafter. J bar ranch. They have some of those amenities that mike was talking about. They have a playground for the kids. That was really nice. Nicely setup. they have back houses. They have a snack bar by the pool. That you could also get some food at For dinner if you didn't want to cook they have wi fi throughout the campground. They have camped security. They do have a dump station. If you didn't get one on your site if you need to fill up some propane gas they have that available a really nice ranch store there and then over the weekend they even host pancake breakfasts. That people went to that was just a few dollars. It was totally affordable. And worth it to go there. It wasn't we unfortunately. Were there during the week so we only heard other people talking about it but not many campgrounds offer that amenity which is nice especially giving where you are. It's not like you can just walk across the street to the diner. Whatever because it's kind of on a busy highway that goes through hill city. But you do have to go a mile or so before you find anything like a gas station which i had to had venture out and when mike says busy highway. It's not like in the east here for us of busy highway when we turned into rafter j bar and it was a four four lane highway two lanes going each direction and we had to make a left to leave it with the camper and i was like. Oh my gosh. There is no way working to be able to get through these four lanes to be able to turn left onto this highway. Let me tell you if we saw a car every five minutes it was a big day so busy highways they are not like busy highways out out out west now we charles rafter j bar because it was a beautiful park it had been recommended through a facebook campaign group that were a part of and it was also a fantastic base camp for all of the parks national parks in store sites that we wanted to visit. Would we visit like six or seven national parks and the state parkway we were there. It was five national parks and one state park and the state park in itself. You could spend days at just exploring everything and we have talked about. If we go back to that area we want to spend a lot of time in the state park. And i even wanna try to stay in the state park they actually had in state park custer state park which will talk about the second even lodges that you could say there that looked beautiful but the closest state park to rafter. J bar in south dakota was thirty minutes away and it is jewel cave. Joel can is the third largest cave in the world or the longest cave in the world right now. It is closed because their doing work on the elevator. Their website says that they're going to be open. Probably the summer of twenty twenty one. But if you're out in that area you definitely want to check out. Jewel cave the drive out. There was nice too because you could. You could look up into the mountains to try to see wildlife as you're driving along the road and then you sudden nerve the staring at national park that you didn't see coming the next one in it's very similar with it was forty minutes away. Kind of in the other direction was wind cave. Which is the first national park for caves the first cave national park. They offer not only cave tours but they have so hiking available above the cave where you can see so much wildlife like bison that they have roaming there if you're gonna go to jewel cave in wind cave. We highly recommend that you wake up early and you get there when they are opening so that you can get your ticket to get into the cave because tickets do sell out fast for these cave tours and a little tip to its chilly in the cave. It may be ninety degrees outside. But you're in the cave and it's easily in the fifties. You're gonna wanna have a long-sleeved shirt or sweatshirt with you and probably a hat. Keep the water off your head. Because it's wet down there you don't realize it but you're underground and the chances of you getting wetter. There next park that we went to was closer. It was only twenty minutes away. And that was mount rushmore. Okay that should be on everybody's bucket list to at least see it in person. One time the pictures that you see in your history books or when you're watching tv shows don't do the mountain justice. It is amazing now. We only took a half day to go see mount rushmore and that was more than enough for us to look at the museum aspect of and to be able to walk outside now. One of the parts of mount rushmore. When we went out was closed the there was an artist trail the sculptor studio. That was closed at the time. But there were still plenty to see if you're going to take a half day to see mount rushmore. We highly recommend that you do the second half of the day so that you're there at night the nighttime ceremony that they do every night is amazing. It truly is a here in this huge outdoor theatre. The mountain is in the background behind the stage. There was what maybe a twenty minute video program and then they had the veterans that were in the audience assists with the flags at the end of the night and it was just something to behold keep. We were there for the fourth of july. And i never realized how much i wouldn't care that i didn't see fireworks at year until we saw that like that replaced it and nothing else will ever come close to that it's periods so my rushmore is cool. You definitely want to go see it but half day is really all you need now. If you're adventurous and up for a little longer of a drive about ninety minutes away you can hit. The badlands and there is a lot to see in the badlands. The babylonians is about two hundred and forty four thousand acres. And most of what you're seeing there are rock formations and Fossils and wildlife. That are all through the badlands. The name badlands. Even though it looks beautiful there is from the lakota tribes word for that area that the word translated to badlands. Just something funny from its own website from the badlands national park website. That went in one thousand nine hundred twenty two. It was first proposed as a national park. The suggested name was wonderland national park. Why gives a little different connotation for it. Now when you go to the badlands you must bring lots and lots of water sunscreen and sunscreen. It is so hot there you remember. What the rangers said to us when we asked yes because it was what like ninety six ninety eight degrees and she said it was actually. Yeah this is really cool. A cool temperature like god. We are sweating the other thing to explore the balancer some trails and stuff. You can walk on but pay attention. Because we were walking around and delaney. Our youngest just happened to go. Oh look there's a deer and there was a baby. Deer tucked up underneath one of the rocks in the shade that everybody was just walking by except she saw it and there was. Yeah so you get to see. Lots of wildlife at the badlands. The colors of the rack formations are amazing. They have great ranger programs. They are to learn about the fossil and the animals that used to live a long time ago. that are extinct there now. but it it is definitely really cool to see you know. What else was cool when we were out at. The badlands was right outside the entrance to the badlands. Minute man missile site. I know and we didn't even know that that national historic site was there. We just as we were turning right to go to the badlands. We happen to see a sign pointing to the left saying minuteman missile national historic site and we said Okay i guess we'll check that out of the way out now. I knew that was a chance. Because that's where a lot of those. Missile sites are there in the middle of the country. But i didn't realize that one would be right outside the entrance of a national park now. The thing that was to remember about this place is a. The museum is one location. But they have an offsite actual silo tour. That's a little bit away. But you need tickets in advance for and we just happened to get there too late in the day and they didn't have any tickets available to be able to go to the actual silo site but the museum itself was really a walk back in the time it was crazy and it was interesting for our kids to see the history because they had never really learned about the cold war. They're also still young But it was just really interesting to see now and mike says. Get your tickets in advance. We're not talking about the morning going and getting tickets. They open up tickets ninety days in advance to get into the silo tour. It's like going to disney. You gotta give six months in advance so right now. They're not doing the silo tours. Where you go down into the Into the actual silo you can just go to it But if you're planning for future trips and you know that you're going to be going there and you wanna to see the mission control area in. The silo definitely remembered ninety days in advance to go get those tickets. So we've discussed a lot of south dakota already and quite a bit of that is in our memory. Banks being some of the coolest stuff that we have seen. I don't think i'll remember driving up the entrance to the parking lot of walter. Kazak place was ridiculously. Hugh now wall drug as we were driving in south dakota four hundreds of miles before we got there as we are driving across the state we would see billboards advertising this and free ice water which i guess when you're traveling out west back in the day that's something you're gonna wanna stop and get and it's definitely nostalgia. Four wall drug it originally opened in nineteen thirty one and during the great depression which this is peak. Time that they're opening up people didn't have much and they definitely didn't have ice or a way to get any Any of that so to get people to come visit the their big thing was free ice water. When you go to wal drug now you can still get free ice water. I think it's still like nickel coffee or tencent coffee. They have dining. They have different activities for the kids. Like we took pictures of our kids on jack. Lopes out there that were giant dinosaur. That scared the bejesus at every metron dinosaur. That looked like it was coming out of jurassic park and so many gifts and souvenirs that are there. If you can think of an item you can find it at wall drug. Well maybe not a kitchen sink but they did have pretty much everything else now to give you an idea of how big wall drug is for wall. South dakota wall. South dakota has eight hundred year year. Long residence wall drug pulls about two million visitors every year. That's ridiculous that's crazy. That's the kind of draw that it has so definitely. If you have. I would say thirty minutes. You need to make sure you do that. Thirty minutes it might take thirty minutes. They have tons of free parking though but there are so many people that are there. It's definitely You're gonna it's gonna take some time to walk through all of it. It was not a national park that we went to but the last part that we wanna talk about that was about forty minutes away from rafter j more that we stayed was custer state park custody. Part was amazing. We hadn't really even looked at all into it because we're focusing on national parks and just said okay. Let's let's go check the south now. It's a state park. So you have to pay an admission fee but you're emission fee. You can do it for multiple days at a time which was nice because we actually ended up dropping in and out of there a couple of times why we were there just to explore different sections other state park because it's not a tiny state park it's massive immune it's got a herd of bison that live in there they had a lot of different visitors centers throughout custer state park and the visitor centers would focus on different parts lake hiking areas. They had a lot of different water activities like fishing and boating and then the wildlife like mike said the bison and the prairie dogs that are there it was just beautiful and the blue skies out. There we really lucky with the weather. We as we've said before. Focus on the junior ranger badges and the programs for the kids when we traveled to these national parks custer state park even had one for the state park so the kids were able to focus on some hikes and some ranger program so they could earn it a a patch instead of a badge. But that's still on their pin boards and had a lot of fun learning about that area and the program. They did which was weather related. I enjoy like normally i kind of zone out when the kids are doing their their programs but i was actually engaged in what the ranger was talking about the weather because when you're in that part of the country the weather is a lot different than what we see here on the east coast because it is more open. It doesn't get. The weather can become very violent very fast when we got to the end of our five days at rafter j bar. We really didn't wanna leave because we felt like we didn't have enough time at custer state park and wanted to stay a bit longer but you know me. We had a scheduled keep and we had to leave there. So we could go north into north dakota and what was in north dakota but teddy roosevelt national park. Teddy roosevelt national park is broken. Up into two separate units which are very different. They have a north unit and they have a south unit. And don't be confused because their area of north dakota also has the badlands so it's not part of the national park. That's in south dakota. The balance refers to the type of ground. That is there and it's not great for anything else. Other than exploring we stayed right outside. The south unit in madurai north dakota. We didn't end up going to the northern unit. Just because we we only stayed like two or three nights and again with the travelling time we got there late in the afternoon we spent the one day travelling into the southern unit and then we had a fun activity the next night but the madore campground that we stayed at outside. It was right outside the national park entrance. The rv sites start at they run from like thirty to forty nine dollars a site. But there's a reason for that because you are right up on your neighbor like. I don't even think we could extend our honor. That's how close we were to the camper next to us. The this is the smallest site campground. We have ever stayed at for the couple next to us. We're pretty cool yes. They were very nice but like mike said we extend our awning now. If you don't know Rv awning there was a picnic table in between the in our site that we could not turn it with wise. That was how close the the campers were so that was disappointing. How close the the campsites were they have about one hundred and fifty campsites at this methodmore campground. They do have a dump station. If you don't have the sewer hookup on your site. They do have a playground so that was nice was for the kids to be able to go to. It wasn't a great playground but it was there. They did have cabins available but the reason that we chose. This place was because we weren't going to be there very long and it was next to the entrance of the national park. Literally i could have thrown a softball from art site. Thrown it into the national park. That's how close we were and the drive through the national park at night when we saw the horses and the star search come out. That was amazing. So in the national park they have A teddy roosevelt national park. There's lots of hiking opportunities Teddy roosevelt went through a lot of different phases in his life. He was a cattle rancher for awhile and so you can see one of the ranch houses that he lived in in one of his Business ventures there so there was a there was a great program outside their to learn a little bit more about teddy roosevelt. If you've ever heard teddy roosevelt with the bull moose party where he was trying to run for president again with the progressives he gets shot in his speech and continues his speech said no one can put me down on a strong as a bull moose. They have that under shirt with the bullet hole in the museum that you can see history nerd me took a picture of it and i share with my students. We learn about the progressive era. Not only learning about teddy roosevelt but the wildlife the horses the bison that he loved they have a great view. As you're driving through the park to see these animals that that road that perimeter road that goes around the park at least on the south end that it's a big loop but when you hit up the crests to the i'm gonna call it a hill it's not. It's probably more than ill. But man you can see for days and then the wild horses were just right up on. The road and delaney is our horse fanatic. She wanted to take them all home. She wanted to ride one just wanted to know. Gotta stay in the car. And then the cool thing that i remember about that delaney had fallen asleep. Mackenzie was kind of asleep. Remember the porcupine that fronted us in the in the railroad that we try to take a nighttime drive through the park and it was really late because the sun doesn't go down until late at night the further west and north you go so we tried to go see stars in the middle of the park because it would be really dark there and saw so much wildlife including like mike said this porcupine that as we were driving he had to slow down and stop because the porcupine to the middle of the room and it thought we were attacking it so it was doing handstands in the middle of the road to put. Its quills up thinking it could quail the car if it got too close. I don't think i've ever that that was so cool. That was so cool but we had a lot of fun. The next night with an activity that we went to that we had found online booked. So i'm a state guy. I love barbecues. I tried to find local barbecue joints wherever we're going this one. I had to experience for myself. It was the pitchfork steak fondue. And i say pitchfork steak fondue they literally put your stake on a pitchfork and dunk it into this huge cast iron out of oil to cook it and man was that cool to see it was good it was not only the stakes but there was a buffet with all the fixings. They say there were potatoes and vegetables and rolls and all that Lots of dessert options as well. And you got to watch them cooking the stakes as you were getting in line to go through the buffet and then it was all open air seating outside so make sure again. You have sunscreen or a hat. Because the sun's going down it gets quite hot and bright out there and there is a i guess a hollywoodish kind of sign that they have often a in the distance. It says madora on it. There is an entertainment shows theater. That's attached to the outdoor dining experience. We didn't do the show. We didn't want to an early morning the next day because we were driving across montana. We want to stay up too late and but there are separate tickets at a lot of people that were going there. They went to the stake fondue dinner and then went to see the musical show afterwards and that again is all open. Air sees seating so You had to make sure that the weather was holding out for you but it was just a lot of fun to go out there and sit at family style tables and talk to people and meet people. There were some different areas interesting people. We met that night and i'm sure they say the same thing about us. Honey oh we are the yankees that were out in north dakota that when we tell them. We're from delaware. They wanna know where that is or Yeah it was interesting. Yeah we'll leave it at that so that that pretty much wraps are north dakota south dakota adventure. So we're gonna get the kids and see what they have to share about their remembrances of that. And what makes it cool for a kid to go to. South dakota north dakota so that and i just finished talking about our adventures and south dakota and the north dakota and we wanted to get your opinion about why kids should be excited to travel to south dakota north dakota in what we saw in the ingalls. Homestead there They had kittens. You could play with god. You guys wanted to steal those and then sense. We were camping there. We still like after like. Was it a park like after museum. After the museum closed we could still go there And then that's when the kittens would come out and it was really fun so they had the cat and the kittens that would deal with the rodents and the barn. And oh my gosh. That's where the kids spent most of their evening time with those kittens. And then wasn't it in north dakota that it was like four. National parks buyer campground. South dakota l. Those still south dakota. We did to jewel cave. Wind cave the badlands. Mount rushmore the minute man missile silo and then we did custer state park yeah Because we were at mount rushmore for fourth of july. but they didn't do Fireworks this time but the lighting ceremony was really cool. Yeah we talked about that. That was cool. Wasn't it yeah The caves were really cool to. I know and they were really different. Formations jewel cave definitely had lots of different colors and lots of different types of formations wind cave had one type of formation but it was a lot different of a hike then underneath the jewel cave was but they both really cool. I definitely say like remember jackets because it got pretty cold. That's a daddy said to. I know dad had to put his hat backwards when he was under there so we could actually see and not bump head on everything. Yeah 'cause they got like low at some points you might not fit and some of those sections of the cave now. Because you've gotten so tall. If i pay you could be. I mean that many and then where did you guys get your The prairie dogs stuffy. She's we saw the prairie dogs in both state both in custer in a customer anna teddy roosevelt but so many prairie dogs custer mccaw stor. Yeah because i remember that we saw them and then we like we ll online. Yeah they were really cute. So much. wildlife to see lately there weren't as many bison est hoping because you're like oh we kept missing the heard they have. This giant heard there that we saw an amazing part of the one of the intro visitor videos missing the heard you know what else we didn't see when we were out there and i was disappointed. I don't see a big horn once the bighorn sheep. Oh yeah and then we into like is big. So would you recommend for kids to go and travel. South dakota north dakota that it keeps your interest yet definitely. Thanks thank you welcome. We want to end today with our quick tip as we always do. Especially if you have a kid who is ending fourth grade and heading into fifth grade. This is a great opportunity for you to explore all of our national parks so there is a federal government program that is called every kid outdoors and it's four kids that are ending fourth grade and heading into fifth grade. That's available through august of twenty twenty one now every kid outdoors. It used to be called every kid park. You fill out a very short application that you just write your name. The kid's name and what school they go to and you get a card in the mail that when you go to a national park that has an entrance fee. Not a parking field. Talion second has an entrance fee. You get into that national park for free and let me tell you that helped us quite a bit on our trip out west. Those leaves summers ago. Especially because some of the national arts infancy for twenty out and now we might not pay for the entrance fee but we spent plenty of money in the parks on souvenirs and stuff like that for the kids. But if you wanted to look into this it's really easy to get. We were not able to use it at mount rushmore. Because that's a parking fee. They say which separate but are able to use it a jewel cave when cave all the other places to get into that had fee and that is something. if you have a fourth grader. Right now. who's going into fifth grade next year. You wanna look into that or at any time in a couple of years of you're looking into that we're just the national park past that if you're heading out west a lot of those places have entrance fees and it's a lot more affordable to buy that yearly forecast than to spend all the separate money on the entrance fees and if you happen to a senior who's listening to the podcast that you have lifetime memberships with your sixty five and older you can get into the national one one time for the rest of your mind So as you can tell from our south dakota north dakota trips. National parks are or gm in our family and we want to support them any way that we can getting out to see the park if you have. Kids is an amazing to see the united states. So look into those different park passes if you have an thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed hearing about our dakota adventures. We highly recommend you. Check it out. Especially in the black hills and south dakota i will drop links to the places we stayed and some of the things that we explored the podcast description for this episode. So check them out if you wanna head out that way also. Please follow us on instagram. at camping. Miller's give us a review for the podcast. We appreciate it. Thanks for listening see guys on the road.

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Spains secret beaches, rivers, waterfalls, canyons & caves with Lola Culsn & John Weller

When in Spain

47:50 min | 3 months ago

Spains secret beaches, rivers, waterfalls, canyons & caves with Lola Culsn & John Weller

"Hello welcome to episode of when spain. Podcast i'm your host paul badge. Thank you for joining me wherever you are around the weld. I'm coming to you from a pretty chilly. wintery madrid. the snow has melted away. Finally but what. I thought in this episode. What we're gonna do is try and banish those winter blues Well that is if you're listening in the northern hemisphere if you're listening in the southern hemisphere and i know we've got listeners in australia. Have you enjoy your summer up here in the north it's still pretty wintry and so two. How banish those winter blues. I thought we transport ourselves in this episode to some of the most beautiful natural wild swimming locations all around spain but forget those packed beaches of sunburnt tourists on the custody identify. What i'm thinking more secluded coves white-sand amrou pools craggy canyons wild waterfalls relaxing rivers those kinds of places and guiding us around these off the beaten tracks slices of watery wonder our local san and john weller. Lola is a half spanish former stand up comedian. That's right she even performed at the edinburgh festival and london's comedy store owner. She's no longer stand up. Comedian and also joining her is her partner john. Who's a photographer now. Both of them live in london but both of them are avid swimmers. So much so that they've written and produced to absolutely beautiful burks all about wild swimming in spain both inland and on the coasts. Their first book is called wild swimming. Spain discover the most beautiful rivers lakes and waterfalls of spain. I'm a second book is called hidden beaches of spain. Four hundred and fifty secret coasts and island beaches to walk swim and explore. And that's what we're going to be doing this episode exploring them. That book hidden beaches of spain is actually going to be coming out on the first of march and while in fact lola and john were lucky enough to take a year out from their jobs in london and spend an entire twelve months driving the coast of spain in their camper. Van all in the name of research must have been a pretty tough assignment in this episode. John lola again to be guiding us around some of their favorite places to swim kayak die and hike or just relax or around spain and some of the spanish islands as well and then also be offering us of course some practical advice as well if you want to do wild swimming in some of spain's wild locations so stay tuned for that. That's coming up in a few minutes just before the interview. Quick shoutout to new. When in spain patron a big thanks to alwin may not signing up to support the podcast on the crowd funding website. Paycheck dot com. If you two would like to show a bit of support for the winston podcast you can do the same at patriotair dot com ford slash when in spain. Okay then so. Let's dive into the interview with john. At just to say we mentioned a lot of place names of course and so do check out the show notes for this episode. Either on the platform where you're listening or you could also head over to the when in spain website which is when in spain podcast dot com and there. I have put a list of all of the locations that we talked about joy in the interview. So let's transport ourselves. Sit back relax. Closer is unless you're driving or operating heavy machinery and let picture ourselves walking along the beaches rivers canyons beautiful off the beaten track places around spain damase and john thank you so much for taking the time to join me on the way and stay focused today our absolute pillow. You've richard and produced two beautiful books. Gotta say your first book was the wild swimming spain Discover the most useful rivers lakes waterfalls of spain. And you've got one a new one. Congratulations on it by the way. A new on the horizon coming out beginning of much code. Each is spent four hundred fifty secret coast and island. Beaches woke swimming. Exploded a talk about these books in a bit more detail. Of course for anyone listening you hopefully in the future and get to spain and enjoy these wild swimming locations whether they're on the coast or inland. Just tell us how this came about. How did you come up the idea of putting these these books. These guides together. I always retaining in in on the beach but we started going to my mom's making in a hata adequacy your tiny tiny men they said the assan After spanish and one year my brother in law my sister and my mom wanted to kinda go and explore. We found out that that was the place and the real data which beautiful fusible along. Israel's spine in spain they might wednesday not building the wall and just time a into a food inside the fast i phase and then we start saying okay. We'll other places all that we discovered Lower not economy which is not beautiful for like in the middle of the mountains and we started exploring just around and then Every time we went every year when we went to spain today for a quite high hassle we started looking around yet still swimming swimming and he'd he wants to swim. And then when we went journalists lined up chain while things publishing's website and they have Denisa said oh. You're going to spain. We share send some fighters of your world swimming spots for from sauce inning spanked and save and we went to lake bicycle. Jump checks amazing vitek because he remained of us and we set them up. Say right back you'll eating. How would you say about buying fantastic fuel. Latest book hidden beaches in spain. Quite an interesting story behind that is that right that you took a year off and you basically spent a year driving the hosts spain in your camper van. Yeah absolutely we both come for fast. When he got contrast before the council to twenty six years old up the Still students strong hops away. This time we're gonna take more time with that. I've been up for seventeen years. John twenty something. Luckily by the game spectacle and say we literally drove around we stopped within galicia at fort show and drive the whole question. Spy and in alabama and finance. It must've adventure. i mean. what was that experience like. Did he meet us. A people eddie events that happened during that trip or some presently stating campsites plus it up on a beach in by the way we kind of met. The most interesting i think was when we were camping. Wild i just think maybe people while quiet thank you open access. One not example going to beat out with the german guy in a camper van gem guy and then a couple that were dating fame and an english guy. we just are parallel Rahmonov big policy. And then the next day this german guy steph. I'm he just had everything on as comfortable on fixed base along because we have fish falling off and he just having exactly the right screen exactly about out completely and then is it. Looks down the trip when you were a anna mean very. Luckily we were my cousin and by on the beach. I'm just about to leave the second half of the bet. And we got down and locked down in. Spain is on show you can affect is not filed awnings. You were not allowed to. They re looking at the beach every day making every everyday and not being allowed to even Makes coming round every hour there were handing out thousand year. I for anybody who was stupid enough to step on the beach. So you just don't mess with the guate- savelli spine you don't you don't so back still. It's not took it seriously. What you allowed to to the next village or so. It was quite but kind of necessary hands up against the five minutes. Okay size because he wanted to shop in their west places system. Saddam did i guess yes. I've been in worse situations. Also the children one allowed out. The children were locked up for Chitty bang bang with a child touch. Let's dissipate on one day. We who sat on the balcony and we had to chat sounds children's laughter from the beach and the children out. I i noticed says lici squeals goes loftiest. Children literally threat themselves because they were they were allowed out. They wouldn't even let the supermarket without in their parents. 'cause i was just locked in the house. That's right house for weeks and weeks long time today. That the lockdown finished in we were it was actually quite emotional date just to see people come out sticks some paper. Just it's just laughing. It's kind of celebration base. which just you know. He's two ladies who met. They said a solo dancing dots the dip on the beach with us. It's quite beautiful swimming your copy swimmers in a bit more detail on your photographer. I've got a say. Your fighters are absolutely beautiful absolutely spectacular so of poring over that ad. Talk about transport in yourself in the middle of january. I mean my god. I mean absolutely beautiful photos. Thank you very much really done. Those places justice. I would say you're the photographer aside and lola. Your the kind of words side by side view of actually written b.'s. Together as guides we may than thanks climbed up. Mountains hangs up walks. That's fight off. And then we which so. I generally have written Chapters will they jumped on a couple in he. He did a lot of directions. And the descriptions we kinda feist into face very much going. How would you describe these books. I mean diets really because let's talk about what is beautiful photography oviously maps. You've got a more detailed maps showing the specific locations of these beaches. Because let's not forget many of these Very much off the beaten path. In fact you said that some of them don't even really have names such just these little coves. So you've given Detail about how people can find the beaches given descriptions is and things like that but when we would find an every time we made a mistake one way we just i teach i read might dismiss titans survive we just half day and we tried to make as clear as possible way very much web. People gone holiday two weeks of my horror. I would be if somebody spent ages trying to find somewhere in couldn't find in every we've got the obviously the google maps by kaisha. But then we've tried to give very As clear as possible. You know you tired my hey when you see this. I'm we tried to give as much detail. About what kind of contemplates is obviously said. If is easy scott to if it's major it's really difficult is places good for families. We've tried to say it's because of the prices beaches in particular in spain if they haven't got a ball or a hotel which none of them have. You'll combine nearby so we talked to. Is that just as much detail say that people are coming to the right place for that. Thanks very much about managing people's expectations. He said he's very much a travel. Guide this kind of. It's not kind of work appraisal fiction. It's some it's it's how you get somewhere what you can expect when you get the don't want to take your kids with you to find h. And find out that you've got to you. Got to apps out on the side of clip price to get speech these places to exist in a book. And then in the captain's we tried to call him. If i tried to give a caveat say You might have noticed that each chapter starts with a little section of a pirate so one of the dance. I did was for every area. I found a pilot that had written about. The big is one of the things. I really fate about spain. His people in particular think of is united vanity woman the big beach and spain her such rich cultural history so you know in galicia as poets in galicia ignorant narrow language is one of the pioneers in basque parenting at the line and in seattle. I'm trying to just give an idea. People might be might not be interested in finding out more about these poets but just to give a cultural life another bit of historical flagler as well as his spine has rich. Cultural history are just include the story of a travel. We've captured that really. What kind of balanced really well as well from region from raising the tax. Yeah you've mentioned the kind of stereotypical that many people may have a spay some bodies unpacked beaches on the custody. Saw your i bet while still being. Spain couldn't be further away from that image of spain. Right you sought out secret rivers lakes waterfalls so we're talking inland spain. Let's talk a bit about some of your favorite places that you discovered to do your wild swimming inland in spain and one of them that i i particularly liked. Was we wait to see. We went to the office of research beforehand and we went to see a off in job which is in northern pennsylvania and we had chatting to that went to come site which cites the actually that was of inland around this one village. It was five kind of fairy. Quarter is like a little cools with mortals. Coming down into them one minute. Five amazing secret place. What would it be included in a in a series. They have been spain so that was kind of well nine then maybe sees of secret ones. I'm usually coolidge is. And that's the joy of speaking spanish an because we had we had a whole list that we were gonna guide shape but we found simony outlets just by talking to people that were much more sacred and john for you the same place. I really enjoyed story us to be honest. we Enough in the in the north of spain on the casino we found supplies scored lago the lake. Which is a natural mountain top. Polls how can an emerald lake with spine tingling visa across the estero in picks of the we swim across. There was more kind of flying up lovin the swimming. Yeah we'd lay on back so this beautiful light. Coaching eagles soaring above us. Kind of look at the mountain tops at dusk which is kind of very much. Time does something from lord of the rings. Yes yes these crazy mountains pointing out kind of before the status quo of kind of protecting my wheels took to summit itself somewhere sixteen two sixteen year olds and these two city boys tooth who sets kind of share that experience with them as well. They'd never seen anything like this before. Said it's quite moving breathtaking. Yeah i mean the pico. Stay aeroplane general. Pre impressive imprinted. Select paul we. We don't really know about these kind of these parts of gas growing up. In england in the nineteen sixties and seventies. you redid. It could get painted a different picture of spy near the of carry on films and flamenco and bullfighting which is related really spine lately. You solve the package while than it can still today you get you get so that package rather than gun you commit. Independent traveler gun fund finally real experience. Real people. I totally agree with you. I think still even now. After all these years you know the interior of spain and the novus bay still really kind of not very well known and missing out on so much by only visiting the coasts in the big cities staying with inland while swimming then before we move onto the coast and the beaches. Let's get back to you. Where would you recommend for people who want to find those really amazing beautiful dramatic waterfalls canyons. These kinds of places gone berries hold light than an area of amazing canyons. I mean we actually include gave a few places they so many canyons. The real idol water beautiful blue with a waterfall was laid kanye nameless quiet company companies in canyoning citing swimming. We we we actually jumped out attitude at the end of the canyon road. He could jump off this to you. Now they're still swimming. Weeping pleaded quite a few different places way can jump. I some these into jumping in fact a story as crooked. There's a picture actually on page six to ask some jumping much fifteen into a hole which was very very scary to watch john getting back to you. What about full canoeing and kayaking for me. Personally i would more interested in okay again up enough sturdier can ghosn onus niece. Yeah i know isn't it. They have their own river. Quack will fiercer progress. Yeah yeah that's right festival. Maima son danny on donnie. We 'cause we're gonna flexible. Clark we drive up into Up the rio deba to political then we paddled down river toward special player so we kind of had a mini adventure so a lot of darkness. Conrad absolute reality events. The pedaled district ship live Mini rapids says excitement and often. There's deep green pool switzerland. We saw another person any son of of anything or anybody. We've building for three hours. It was it was a great adventure. You right this is something in general in spain. I've noticed just more so than the uk behalf once you get out into deep deeper. Spain you see anybody or anything so much harder to get that kind of false findings huge in line that really struck you know how. How far can we be driving up to these quite often. They were in the mountains waterfalls and rivers and we just for miles and miles around mountain and then even then some the village in the middle of nine eleven. That's kind of weird spain. i met him. We went in one day and we found the bakers and at ten o'clock they still made the region. He's got up at six o'clock. I'm we've kinda saw way to to become out and had straight out with the babies values of this. Experience is one of the things. I think about old fights. The bed is supposed last traveled. You know you're gonna find experiences that you guys. He just go on a package tour to in principle. How show me. And my girlfriend got stranded up in On the border between castilian and australia's couple years had a puncture to blow out into this village. Name about five or six stuck in the middle of the night at go knocking on doors and we went into this house and it was basically someone's lounge which convert it into the local pub local bah. We're about six. Oh boys propped up in pretty drunk. Dogs rabbits in cages. A twelve year old boy. He was pouring the wine of and i asked the guy said how many people live in this village. She said oh With the dogs we're probably about twelve. Go by bums village. I was that house. My own house was a house. I lose the ball the show off. That's an experience. I think in the same way. They want to not knocking package tools. But say if you want to step out the result then these books take some amazing place this. Yeah tell us about some history of ruins magical historical places where you can also swim as well. Spying is the big question straight. it really is. it's come to the rich. Barry paul if you in kentucky Kentucky on you can find Pin in hidden beaches. While we'll tell you about place this jurassic And there's a prehistoric cave paintings in oncoming alex nash unto death in galicia galicia's literally scattered with celtic cash bribes which have became occasions. We've been to a place called the custer battling man by twenty round houses. Run pause and spain staffs. I'm just beloved with a new speech and a one place Maybe jamal remember. We went to one place with a hidden beach and suddenly really hut indonesia and suddenly realized by pipes celtic history. Then of course when you come down south you've got roman remains united in bologna down. May kathy in costs individuals. I mean but it has great. It's a massive signed june. This is coming up busy but if you go in the opposite direction. There's larry tonight features with nobody and there's a place code bilo cloudy out which is party. One of the best preserved ruins of vitamin martius Of arabic and folks vacations were spent and for fans of game of thrones to be fire has as optical. I hadn't beat you can but it was starting amazing. The place that was represented from stein throwing up in In moscow in the best country. I was talking about that with a guest a couple of weeks ago. Limited looking at the best country wild as wild stein because the whole the whole area is just like they tarbey each and price bass and some people just moved onto peaches. Just going to jump in here. Your new book is not inland swimming. But with looking at four hundred and fifty four hundred and fifty beaches just sounds like the perfect job exploring four hundred and fifty beaches jirga. Yeah i left that you've done a terrible job. someone had to. We will do it. I don't think anyone it's done this before. Tough i imagine hundred each is so this. Is your new book coming out. on march. The first she is all about coastal swimming and beaches obviously hidden beaches in spain. I guess with so many beaches and so many kind of different coasts. There's a beach for everyone. One thing about spain is a. I mean you guys get and it's very green. You can rely on the weather. But it's very very great in many features that with united avenue and statue today and the amalfi That had three people on there. Some of them at eight light behind the villages timing just behind villages and other ones a wide i into the atlantic whether south oh and kentucky prayer which has some of the speech will be. She's inspiring i think Advocacy just have these yellow sand. Beaches within really green hills is in a blue states collins. Incredible and then obviously the mediterranean inside the completely different but again the cost of a rookie. One of the great things about spying. It's kind of wage by As you're traveling up the coast you boss any dome. For example on it's still top crazy hotels and stuff like that and then literally a few kilometers the ride in not to talk and in a in spain that got this huge thing not when nothing is allowed to be built presents in the cost of bava for example as a huge national park and whether it's hidden beaches way Quiet track down the and then if you guys south again you go to our media publicity one of the least apart from in galicia now mary. I probably the least re nine fights is and it's very lucky for comment but absolutely beautiful in its own in a different buying in. There's huge cacti and that kind of dog signs speeches with huge mechanic. Mushrooms also alleged. Yeah it's kind of that Reminds me as westerns. You've got these rocks. The kind of a road by wind big rooks balanced on each other questions. Do pyla westerns likud on the pilot. Yes atlantans badlands of spain. Down there now. Maria basically desert isn't my semi desert. Inland europe's only desert thing james. He sang gauge at over to fertilize and games. I last sunday's eroded by the wind into really weird fantastic shapes. Then the bolero harland's you said that you'd like some of the most beautiful beaches that you discount. The most almost like the caribbean Were on the island of menno arrive. We absolutely loved me. Okay mayo coverage again beyond obviously power-mad migrelief know that the massively what varied island as well until after that we went to minoa chrome we got. Our expectations are high in some ways but sought beautiful beaches on developed is probably controls. The bias fans nets i Development is very controlled unlike all the politics by nine highrise. That's nothing like that. And most of the beaches on based at the beaches. And you have been this. Great comedic covi- embroiled across the whole can literally walk around the whole mino- craft and when the bridal amazing and you guys i mean there's some places where it goes on private lattened where you have to stick to the we didn't have that experience but we were told about people who are shown to that. Have guns pointed at the You're gonna take shots at literally. Were because they stacked up the in in that was private land but now allowed to guide the whole way round a new potentially will oftener our go onto a beat of swim. Comeback will five which we did a bit of and some of the beach. I mean in the south. They literally the caravan that the signed is what what why. It's the the the to entire quiz for the five. Just beautiful but then the north is completely different as a whole of whether sound is it. Looks like wow. And then there's the Switch kind of move up into is a fearful. I'm guessing those would be Locations and for everyone is interested in snorkeling or diving or anything like that. Yeah definitely i mean. We didn't do a huge amount of snorkeling. Time reasons but yeah. We saw a lot of people snorkeling. Mac and and the little bit that we did the voice side. Play his secrets. It has a common the technical name posts. Diatta antica a while it becau- because there's a lot of around minorca as a lot of saline marine life keeps the kind of gives it that kind of sparkling kind of of blue color then went scuba diving and says if you've been to the islands sears on the we booked a Scuba diving on pluses very very peaceful access is very limited. You have to put up defensing this causing the orlando enough. That hurt. that was right. Beautiful seagulls you get goals but this is very very peaceful people get. That's the kind of place that people knew from vigo can be go. Yeah yeah they say sunny spot. I was crossing. It's says he's very peaceful very beautiful place and i have lots of white sand beaches and turquoise and so very very very clear to purchase perfect for scuba diving. We haven't really mentioned this pacific gas speeches for kids. Some families around spain. I mean obviously we always think is packed. Beaches costa's full family with children. Who want something a bit mall it special. Where would you suggest. Where have you really enjoyed with your children. Some major bike sample at carina in custody. Which one where. We saw lots of local children. And that's what pools at playing. What kind of gotten galicia is a very local by the you know i may not family lanes. Teenagers playing cards. That when there's a little island in actually will win. The tide is will visit them platinum on sola now maria. It's a huge huge beach with close engines. Left side of the page. Which is the perfect place. For children's adventures is at lots of dramatic kind of rock formations. The lava domes in the cote about filming locations. This was the location for indiana judge. The recite wasn't really truly seen. Because where up. Sean carter the lights You take brevity. Flushes of the flippers skied. Spring alka find that was filled very safe Places while this is the biggest freudian side since nobody kind of big way said the kitchen just played just fun and up. Dungeon is just perfect services. You got to scream that. Put it that way. The member this sweetie catering in head on collage three three. Which again whether it just like. It was kinda my own psychological with what who was it like in made to look boon in impeach. Our choice ten. You should have sought adventures compliance The main thing is you obviously have to take a society spite Lax attitude to deserve. So you kinda have to take it but everyone could whether it was whole families in the food. Basically you have to manage your kids expectations. That won't be four slides and the piano. You gotta get. There's going to be like bogus is going to be my pizzas. You might see. Starfish adopt much more interesting than a nice game beaches hiking and say exploring caves and diving into one. I guess but one of the places that we really enjoyed hiking we went to a place in the costa khalida which is more seattle and we will following the maps and we suddenly ended up by this golden tower on the monday of course figures famous or infamous as it were if the la manga. Yeah wait to go visit these features tickets three lamonica so we drove up to the security guards talks on the guy he said. Oh you planning to spend the night the speech on The less three. Because of course you go in spain leg in costa even if they build a big luxury wherever they aren't allowed to stop having access to is crazy lightning luxury days and then went impact in part by each and then in the morning high of on this beautiful design of a pulse of light light of broken strike with rosemary Lavender down also famous. Today's a series of three beaches to his cover equitable address kindness in go neck of a tough high. But then once you got back. I mean i think there was one person one of the beaches a cop on the abate mom with my belief. Great facilitates naked. Somebody then i think we'll put those in the catskills they salute. My favorite came actually plays the piano. Which is quite a yeah. We went and stayed one year. We went in stayed in. Danya is quite a big ex pack community in down but then they began. Maybe just travel a little bit to place called leisure up as we went on this crystal pov that on the side of a hill to pave could not call yada angel inside. It's actually a manmade cave where they excavated stone to build the custody did enya have heights long details at the next everyone in the connecticut at night. Ten fifteen minutes. It's amazing haven is some kind of knowing how to fail the moment that he knows. Because it's quite a cathedral or something but then on the outside outside of this. This huge starring. You can kinda got him something by just a little bit practical advice then. For with all of this inland swimming beaches you've mentioned nudism nature is It's just something to be aware of. If it's a very remote beats like you said without hotels. And i mean it is. There's a strong possibility. You may see groups of people families individuals at make it. And yes if that's not you're saying you just going to have to run the paper that spinal basis. It's just one of those things that something that you'll kind of fum sensitive to then. Maybe you become desensitized out. I just he needs to go somewhere else. We these beaches a famous our book symbol next to the beaches which nudist not i can can everyone's in age your age and some people being the nate on some people. Why a major Archives is quite quite hollering of each of the in times of being safe merged. They wanted to david marched the places way recommending time half life. God's so you have to be jan. Were they on Times when when you are if you can have somebody else with the swim out too far thai flight to negate if you recall in a whip tightly riptide is basically a you out to save. I need tax in. I goes to thank him against their. If you in the atlantic giant staying too long wise called. That's good advice. I mean will that we found walnut in kentucky have been in affects fx. Kinda warm off affects a bit more. Show to always wear sunscreen heat in the summer if you're eight land. I guess. I'm the other thing that happens. Is which could be the same for anywhere in the world in summer. Will you got stiff. Sea breeze blowing. You may not realize how hot is kind of deceptive. And you could be absolutely burning. Not we've all been burned before him have like a number as i say crispy lovely wiping wiping wear these shoes. You know dined expect bound And that's because the only thing we tried to implement we have included his spouse. Because often you know for the coordinates to get to the beach. That's not necessarily entertainment. You should have passed. Paul said possible. We've tried to mention wack advice off to oversee col. Guaranteed is going to be good advice because that's happened to us before that remember couple years ago and it was high season so should expected it. We went down like you said. It'll costa de la luz reuters. Callous that you have in a row kind of guiding Knit a north from the left from terror and o'neill early middle of september was still pretty stupid and it was just impossible of absence chocolate. We have to kind of give up on our original plans of what he wanted to go on. Find somewhere else will rely on a car. Which for many of these places you will be as to sink about that whether it's gonna be busy how far away your pumpkin. He's going to be from the beach possibly tried to mention. Where if we think it's going to be busy in some of obesity advisors just get on and also if you want the place to yourself tickly these kind of inland waterfalls and places like that but maybe the weekends get really popular and you want to take a super instagram. Abboud photos of yourself under the waterfall. I with nobody else. they're getting. I really alley. We also felt we were in the coastal thin. I think they're in autumn. We found peaches unnecessary somewhere. That you you have to sit and plus up some of these longer basis of really good for a walk he can you walk from uninterrupted wolf for hours and hours. You've hardly saying a soul just exercise. We'll take in the for. Yeah because i think we especially as as bricks we just think of some way lay on a towel or day. Long in the sun. Unattentive went to visit. I mean it's kind of obvious question. I guess i mean it's going to be hall busy high-seas in some amount shoulder seasons at best I suppose if you think you have like central northern spain it gets pretty bloody codes in the winter months as wells. It's rain is this serpent exports. It's going gonna rain but you know you might get lucky but said the northwest findings was very accessible. Airports wild camping in spain. Is it legal if you wanna do it. How should you go out camping out in the wilds in some whether it's not unofficial campsite. I said legally yesterday may again. It's a bit of a common sense thing i mean. Generally if you're gonna come fan you can pretty much call any larry's die plant based if you stop painting type in chas out like in gallup's ask otherwise you can put a much anyway unless there's a specific sign that size knock knock. I is discretion with There is a patient book. Which we've we've given some advice kind of helps you decide how to use discretion pam as jumped as usual discussion. You're not legally Camp within i think it's two hundred majors. The cpap depends depends oskar local and walk places by when we were mediocre. We are now with a group that were host fighting around the beaches. And five that on what they do. Is they arrived with hammocks the dog off the hammocks and they left first thing in the morning. Never take anything except another leave anything. Leave anybody behind. final question. Difficult one if you click your fingers right now transport yourself from london to one of as magical beaches or inland rivers. Streams ponds waterfalls weather. Where would you choose. Where would you love to be swimming right now. We have one h one h absolutely the league of us fast and i think it might have to be one of the ones in the manila May be got color for color. Poodles put years. He said the kalakuta goes on tax kids. Why serum not that many people around this time being definitely not that many people rounded that mind were being called hold. I would choose in the buddha's on the customer. Then speak just lacy just be keep a beach. Each profoundly peaceful cove hit a show to the canopy of ancient pine trees with to click sukree waters to swim. This is some. this is probably my favorite. I think we kind of stumbled across it by schultz. We were driving on the coast and between some trees which we so repeat players so we had stop in explore wind climbing them. This it was so beautiful. We had the peak hours said elect we just. This is so perfect. Let's stay hit become leave and say been printed them remember. There's there's a lovely i it. The book magical name as well be key beach alexa exactly profound beautiful lola and john. Thank you so much for joining me on the weddings paint plus to share these secret places type. The some of the listeners can get your opportunity not to distant future thank you. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for having us. So that was john lola. Just to say the new book hidden beaches. Spain is out on the first of march. But you can pre-order the printed book from amazon or from wild things publishing. I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well that comes out on the first of march and if you can't wait until the first of march you can immediately download their super exclusive prelaunch digital editions from wild things publishing website. That's for seven pounds. Nine thousand nine again link in the show notes of this episode and the website you need is wild things publishing dot com while things publishing dot com. You can order the physical copies through that website or amazon. But if you'd like to get the prelaunch digital edition You can do that from wild things publishing now. I have to say whether you're planning to come to spend any time soon or not. Obviously it's still a complicated situation with cove it. But even if you want to fantasize about getting away exploring some of those beautiful wild locations that we were talking about in the episode. I really really do recommend getting your hands on a copy of these books. Jones photography is absolutely spectacular. Also packed with loads of practical advice and detailed information on basically how to find these places as well. If you want something nice to curl up with embed during winter also would look pretty nice on your coffee table as well. If you'd like to find out more about john and lola and indeed their books you can find them on. Facebook just search for wild swimming spain. They're also on twitter under the handle wild in spain and check out instagram profile. As well and you'll see some examples of this beautiful. Photography and instagram handle is wild swimming spain. Okay so i'll leave it there for this episode. Thank you for tuning in. I will be back next week with a brand new episode of the wedding. Spain passed in the meantime please do you consider signing up to support podcast at patriotair dot com forward slash went in spain. 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55 - Sam Fiorani and AutoForecast Solutions

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55 - Sam Fiorani and AutoForecast Solutions

"Uh from commedia. We're in the middle of the big disruption in the industry definitely in our lifetime and perhaps the biggest one since the self starter over one hundred years ago. That was the voice of sam. Fiorani our guest today on cars that matter. This is caused that matter. This is robert ross. Welcome to another episode of cars. That matter i am here with samphier ronnie onny vice president global vehicle forecasting with auto forecast. Solutions sounds nouri daunting and indeed. It is because there's a lot of crystal ball activity goes on in your world. Isn't there sam. Absolutely welcome to our podcast. You publish the automotive forecasts solutions monthly report. Which is is. I gather really kind of an inside. Look at the state of the auto industry. But i tell us about your own car self sam. you had quite a trajectory. Haven't yet. I mean you've sold cars restored cars you write about cars. And of course he'd been an industry analyst for a long time where to start. I've been and all my life. My folks said that. I used to identify cars by their headlights or taillights. When i was two as i was growing up i wanted to be a car designer and i stumbled through my college years. My engineering background did not pick up as well as i had hoped would but i took a different detoro went onto economics which led me to the auto industry where i've been an analyst now for about twenty five years. It's amazing how the stuff all just sort of comes together and sometimes you end up with a job that you actually never thought you'd have. I go to schools and tell kids that the job you want the job that you'll get may not be one of those ones you see on tv or your parents had or things like that. There are so many jobs out there that we as kids never saw never made aware of so. I let the kids know. There's a job out there for you if you just look you'll find one that fits your personality and your likes and as the saying goes if you have a job you love. You never worked a day in your life. You literally created your current job when you involved in the launch of auto forecasts solutions and twenty fourteen. Is that right with. The company was founded in two thousand fourteen. I was the initial forecaster for vehicles. That team that we put together has together for most of the last twenty two years we know each other and we can catch our faults in support our strength or were really well oiled machine. I don't imagine you use a crystal ball or a tarot deck. But what does automotive for casting really mean. I have a really good dartboard a magic eight balk and that's how we were. You guys usually pretty right on at least fifty percent of the time We're really good. The great part about forecasting is that you are guaranteed to be wrong. You just have to be better than the next guy. That's our goal is to provide the most in depth forecasts as detailed as we can get so we can get them accurate. Our methodology works really well and has been honed over the last twenty years or more. We really good job of forecasting every vehicle produced around the world in every plant. Currently we work about sixty in the world. It's a few thousand vehicles at heaven's my mind is about ready to explode because in my little world you read a few books that a little bit of opinion as little bit of subjective this and that but obviously you're crunching some serious numbers. The first number you mentioned was sixty countries around the world telling me some sixty countries that are manufacturing medical we have sixty countries that actually build cars. There are even more that assemble cars. The we treat assembly differently so if a kid comes from the manufacturer in one country and ship another and they just barely take it apart to ship it across the border just to get around taxes. That's called semi knock down kits and so those kits. We don't count where they're assembled their where the parts come from but everything else is assembled or produced in as many as sixty countries around the world. obviously we know about america and canada and mexico. And you know a few places in europe. And i think south africa and then a course china japan korea. But i couldn't come up with sixty. It's bewildering concept. So obviously you are deep as heck into the auto business. Maybe we should jump into one topic that i suspect you know a lot about know absolutely nothing about in. It's the concept of vs electric vehicles boy. The conversations always seemed to start these days talking about electric vehicles. Don't they were in the middle of the biggest disruption in the industry definitely in our lifetime and perhaps the biggest one since the self starter over one hundred years ago right cadillac self starter in nineteen twelve and my right right right absolutely prior to that if you were too weak to turn a hand crank and hand cranks on cars. Were dangerous things if you were too weak to do that. You had an electric car or steam car and the self starter allowed everybody to drive a gasoline car and it was much easier to refill. There was less maintenance and it went farther than electric vehicle by the mid teens. Every car had a self starter and everybody could drive one and now all of a sudden the hundred years later things have been turned upside down again because e visa back. And i guess they are all the rage. The future kind of seems inevitable. They're clean and the new vehicles are so powerful and so quick. We drove a tesla about ten years ago. I swore the front wheels came off the ground when i accelerated in that car. It was just so quick and that wasn't even a high performance version of the model s. So we're fully expecting a lot of high performance cars to be electric in just the next few years just because they are so quick and they're clean when you have a v twelve or a turbocharged v eight they pollute and getting around all the restrictions around the world is really difficult with an internal combustion engine but with an electric vehicle. It's easy is ev. Technology evolving very quickly or we place where manufacturers of sort of charted the course based on existing technology and. It's not gonna change a whole lot. It's going to change since the first internal combustion engine car about one hundred forty years ago. Since then we've had one hundred and forty years of development of the. I see they have clean them up. They have fuel injected them. They have done all kinds of work on these cars at internal combustion engine. Today is a fantastic piece of machinery. Electric vehicles also dated back to about the same time. But there's this lull of about eighty years where nobody touched them so we were running on lead acid batteries for one hundred years on the vs. That were around. It's only been about twenty years now that we've worked in two different types of batteries and over the next twenty years you're going to see huge huge advances in battery technology does the onslaught of the ev sort of spill impending doom for the internal combustion. Engine probably not in our lifetime. But you'll see that a lot more will be on the road. I'm doing estimates going out to twenty forty and we're looking at a substantial amount of the market will be by then but the longer term is for something cleaner than a battery because batteries are a dirty technology themselves even though they don't pollute themselves so moving onto something like a hydrogen fuel cell would move to the same technology that we're using for vs. Just you can refuel with hydrogen and the pollution is water. That's right so what you're dealing with. Their a major infrastructure system that would allow that to actually flourish and increase worldwide. Absolutely we have to figure out a way to cleanly make hydrogen because the methods that do it now. We have the same issues with batteries and hydrogen at the process. That makes them. isn't that clean. So if we can get the process cleaner is so that it becomes cleaner than using abilene engine. That'll be the end result. So you're telling me there's no free lunch yet. There's no free lunch. You still have to pay for allegedly may have senior coupon but we still have to pay for it. Okay i get it but we're going to get there and we're going to get there eventually. Let's assume that these these takeover let's look at the current state of the landscape. Obviously the industry is dominated by one company worth multiple billions of dollars value too far more than any reasonable economist would allow. What's going on there as tesla's still the eight hundred pound gorilla or is it going to be other companies that are launching. Maybe we don't even know their name yet. Tesla is big boy in the room right now and a lot of people look at tesla as not so much a car company as a technology company. I have analysts in our office. Conrad who tells us all the time. That tesla is not a car. A tesla is an iphone. Tesla is the technology that connects the driver to the data that other companies will use eventually so because tesla's are so well connected. They know what you're doing and they know how you're doing it and all that data will be monetize later on and other companies will step up and do the same thing. So that's the big reason why it's valuable as it is now but there are more companies coming. We're doing a survey now and we have about one hundred thirty startup. Companies that are looking to get into the ev space. So is this like those little turtles that kind of hatch from the beach and they scramble and the seagulls is swooping down alive and only about two of them survived. There are going to be a lot of these eaten by seagulls. Trust me enter spread across all world. Markets san are they in america or the europe. Are they in some distant realm because the vs don't have emissions they're easier to sell in different countries. A lot of companies are starting up in countries that you wouldn't expect cars to be built and these companies are starting off with brand new cars brand new infrastructure starting from scratch entrepreneurs in africa entrepreneurs in small countries in asia entrepreneurs in the united states and europe are all stepping up to make these new vehicles and crack into this industry. Let me ask you about the technology. In the ev space. Is this all proprietary or is it being shared in other words. It's everybody working with the same set of building blocks or are they actually seeking some philosopher's stone of ev. So they can do it differently than everybody else. The better companies have come up with some sort of technology that they're basing their vehicle on something proprietary to them but a lot of these companies are looking at the supplier industry. And this is how the whole automotive industry works is that. There's a supplier out. There who provides for icees they provide fuel injection systems or transmissions or all these different components. The same thing happens with the vs. There's a company making batteries and there's a company making motors and controllers. And all these different pieces that you need to build the electric vehicle. It's easy to pull stuff off the shelf and make an electric vehicle but it becomes an appliance at that point. The is piece that you have to yourself. Tesla's vehicles are super fast. That's their own motors. And they're working on new battery technology. So they do have a lot of components that are exclusively to them. How are the legacy. Oem's gonna would that they are we looking at a bunch of tyrannosaurs and diplomat. Oh casses and stegosauruses that are kind of just gonna get consumed by a swamp and disappear. They're hoping not they're stepping up right. Now you'll see little steps right now. These aren't small companies. It's hard to turn the titanic though when you have a company like ford or general motors that has built an industry for the last one hundred ten hundred and twenty years making icees. Changing over to these is not a single step so they each come out with one car or two cars to make them leap and they're eventually going to get there but the big deal is the stockholders want a technology company. They don't want these legacy dinosaurs. So general motors and ford are trying to re envision their own company to let the stockholders know that general motors is no longer the company making cadillacs and hummers. they're making chevrolet bolts and cadillac leaks in all these new modern electric vehicles and ford is doing the same thing. Well i guess it's going to be a matter of time to see who excels at that process and who nuances that just correctly. Abs about automotive styling. Maybe there are some other attributes that these cars have to bring along for the ride to make them as appealing as some of the legacy models with legacy brands. I know certainly in the high performance car arena. It's really shaking things up nowadays. You've got obviously the hybrid electrics from ferrari and porsche and lamborghinis probably soon coming around mclaren already has it's changing but certainly a lot of consumer resistance as well as consumer kind excitement. It's a. it's a strange combination of emotions. Getting a person to change from what they know getting somebody to turn away from their ford explorer or chevy suburban or something that they are used to over the years of driving and knowing where to refuel it and knowing that the range is three hundred or four hundred miles before. I have to stop for gas and knowing that you won't be stranded somewhere when the battery dies because you forgot to look to see that you didn't charge it last night. It's a different world. You just have to be ready for it and buyers will be ready when they step up by their ford mustang machi or chevrolet volt uv. Yesterday i had the pleasure to do some testing on ferrari a twelve. Gts that's probably just about as wild willia- conventional internal combustion engine is. He got us. Eight hundred horsepower. Car revs the nine thousand rpm and sweden. Mother of that car is fantastic. I guess what performances sorta getting level doesn't because he get behind the wheel of tesla with all the electrical trimmings and trappings in that car is all of a sudden as quick as anything on the planet had. Somebody asked me the other day about some new model that just came out and it had zero to sixty time in four seconds and he was appalled that it was four seconds. That's forever combat electric car. That's right it's really true. So i mean we got a situation now sam where i really wonder if performance means much anymore because the the plainfield has been completely leveled. All of these things are stupid. Quick stupid fast. I guess my question is what in the future will be important. What's really going to distinguish these cars. One from another the problem is that the future of privately owned vehicles may be a short term thing and so when we eventually get around to autonomous vehicles. Which i'm hoping isn't anytime soon but when we eventually get there. What do you care about the performance of the vehicle. Because you're just gonna be sitting in reading a book or watching a movie or doing work. Or what have you and letting the vehicle drive for you. It's not about the enjoyment of the drive at that point. It's about getting me from point. Eight point b. is still like driving my car. I still have a car with a stickshift. As a matter of fact driving the car is definitely an enjoyment for me. And i'm not looking forward to win. I'm forced to have an autonomous vehicle. I'm looking forward to the day when other people are forced to drive autonomous vehicles so that they don't swerve into my down as i'm driving to work. Well you know it's funny. I was other freeway yesterday and imagining just the same thing that it really will be a better world in some ways when the rise of autonomy allows most people to maybe not be quite as ill equipped to actually drive a car. Some of them appear to be. I'll put that very delicately right. This leaving it at that. We're going to take a short break. But we'll be right back on medicine where still practicing joined dr steven tailback and bill kurtis for real conversations with the medical professionals who have their finger on the pulse of healthcare in the modern world available on all your favorite podcasting platforms produced by kirk co media. We're back with sam pierotti. What about some other trips because as a part of your forecasting. Obviously you look at these other trends and i don't even know where to start this shift from passenger cars to trucks like you look around you this. They're hardly any cars left as a person who enjoys driving a car and i have a four door sedan. I understand the draw to a car. I understand the appeal of a truck. The additional utility the sitting up higher and seen over my car when you're sitting in traffic the whole movement towards trucks started thirty years ago when we had a rule in the federal laws called cafe corporate average fuel economy and the way the cafe was set up. Cars had a tighter rules than trucks. Did so if you were to buy a car. The manufacturer had average twenty seven miles per gallon across their fleet of cars but they had to average twenty four across the fleet of trucks. So wouldn't it make more for them to push you towards a truck especially when the truck made more money. That's right so sort of get out of jail card. Free for these manufacturers. It all of a sudden they change the mindset absolutely and that's when the ford explorer came about and that's when the rise of the sport utility came about and everybody started shifting over to these station wagons that were built on truck bodies on truck chassis. But they would have been called a station wagon just ten or fifteen years earlier but now all of a sudden. We have the suv in well. We know how that turned out. It's a big move that the whole market made and we just came along for the ride because that's what we were told to buy. We need to have a sport utility now and when your neighbor has one suddenly that's the thing to have and i've got to have my sport utility to go with this. Suv truck media. Is this a us kind of thing. Or is this a worldwide phenomenon. It started in the us but we migrated to every country of the world. We've called them crossovers now. But they're technically trucks with their physically cars and they're just a little bit taller. Give you that higher point of view from the car. But it's still a car it's still based on a front wheel drive chassis. It's related to your honda. Civic or your toyota corolla but now by law they call it a truck and they're popping up everywhere in the world. They're all over china. They're all over europe. Everybody wants to build one now. We certainly in america have visions of what's happening on that part of the world in terms of politics and industry and economies and all the challenges that are faced by an economy essentially. That's positioning sell to take over the universe. What's going on in china in terms of cars. I've heard they have the most ferocious automotive appetite the world. Well they do have well over a billion people there and when you compare it to the united states which has a hoarder as many people in the united states we sell on a good year seventeen million vehicles they have the potential for a huge market there in the last few years. They've been in the low twenty million range up to about twenty four twenty five twenty six million units in a year in a good market. That number should be forty or fifty. If you're going by the same standards you're going by the united states. It's a great potential for any car company. That wants to start up to launch production in china. Because you have so many potential buyers so let me ask this of. I'm guessing that if these were all internal combustion engine. We'd all basically be gasping for air and ten years so that essentially back to the. Ev they sorta have to be something else. They can't be internal combustion engine. Yes the internal combustion. Engine was the car of choice. In china. they have cleaned up their act over the last ten fifteen twenty years where the newer cars are more on par with the rest of the world for emissions but they are really pushing now for vs because they want to corner the market. They wanna be the country that provides the world with vs. And they're doing it. They have so many companies pushing these new vehicles. So let me guess this. Then sam. European cars for instance are still considered the benchmark for luxury and prestige. You've got your super high end brands. I think they even love buicks for that matter for some reason. That's a popular brand in china. But you're saying that they're vs would then be the go to brands that would be purchased around the world including america. They're easier to sell and other countries so these companies that want to start. Exporting can easily bring an 'cause they bring something new to the party in the united states we have so many brands to choose from you have ranged from bare bones. Cars alway up to high luxury cars. What is their new. That a chinese brand could bring to the party. There's just nothing there. And it's not like back in the eighties. When the koreans came back in the sixties when the japanese game or back in the forties when the germans came in it came in on price. That's not going to happen again. Because it took each of these countries and their products probably twenty years before their cars got the status to sell at an average price. The chinese are not going to come in there. They've seen how this has been done. They're not gonna come in and say oh we're just going to undercut everybody takes market share especially when a car today so nice that a used car a car off lease for two or three years is priced as good as you're gonna get for any low end car and you're buying a two year old cadillac or lexus. Or something is decent car to start with. There's a lot of competition all throughout the market. That's interesting obviously. A whole different discussion could be had about what happens to all these cars terms the volume of cars coming back off lease. They're essentially new cars. Because guess what karston. Don't break like they used to break. And these things get us soldier on in perpetuity. Their maintains it sort of has one imagining but there are multiple cars for any single individual. When i was growing up each family might have two cars and when the kid turned sixteen he had to borrow mama. Dad's car today. A lot of kids have their own car when during sixteen or seventeen if they want. One and cars are reliable even at high mileage. When i was a kid just not too long ago. One hundred thousand miles when you throw away the car. It wasn't going to last us that in our current household fleet here we have two cars approaching hundred thousand miles and two cars. Two hundred plus. It's a different world and guess what they won't die. You find a good car and treat it well. It will last a long long time. Let's talk about these manufacturers. For minute i remember back in the seventies. I bought a launch shia. I think i was about one of two people in america. Who did i had a candidate who was very press yet. He said you know rob by the turn of the century. There'll be about seven car manufacturers left. I thought steve was out of his mind. What do you mean. Seven manufacturers left. I could count fifty right now. Guess what the marks may be around the brands. Maybe around but they're owned by a handful of people and today the corporate consolidation is getting even more extreme. I mean obviously this whole lantis merger that has like fourteen marks together and some strange bedfellows too. i mean citron's it on citron's and maserati haven't slept in the same bed for her for forty years. That's divisive bought the company. What's going on there. Are we going to have one big brother owning all these brands. The future years ago i worked for standard and poor's dri as an analyst. Right about the time i started. There was when they announced the dime. The chrysler merger and one of the magazines called me up and asked me what i thought about it and i said pretty much what you just said. I quoted somebody else who had once said in the next twenty years. There will be ten car companies in the world. If you looked at it there were about that. Many the number of i did a chart one time on all the brands that are currently owned by the top ten manufacturers in the world and it's over two hundred brands over the years going all the way back to the beginning they have run through about two hundred brands over the top. Ten manufacturers in the it's amazing how they've consolidated so much but the consolidation continues except for the fact that china cayman and with china coming in they've added another forty or fifty manufacturers. If you treat. China like the united states was a hundred years ago where we had three thousand manufacturers in the united states alone. Did we really. The estimates are three thousand thirty five hundred in the united states alone and maybe five thousand around the world back in the teens and twenties. Good heavens so when you look at china there at that stage now they are where everybody gets in and starts making a car. The weak ones will fall by the wayside. The middle strong ones we'll get purchased by the big strong ones and we'll be down to a handful of manufacturers again of course china's coming back and buying a lot of western brands to. That's how they're going to sell around. The world is by having a brand that everybody knows volvo. Mg they tried to buy rover and saab. There were a bunch of these nameplates scooped up and decided they're well known in the western world there. Local brands are not that well known. So we'll right off the back of these names that everybody knows. That's a really an incredible journey. Obviously you're at the forefront of describing and predicting it with photo forecast must be incredible job but a lot of responsibility to sam because like you say you want to be right that we have some great clients who really appreciate what we bring to the table. The customer service we provide is fantastic because we lived the stuff. We really enjoy this. We just didn't fall into this industry. This was the industry that chose us. And we bring a love of cars to the business. So i can tell you love cars. We're gonna talk about that after we take a break but before we do want to ask you one more question. Can you let us in on any secrets. Cine forecast that may not touch on anything. We've talked about yet or maybe to phrase it differently. What's going to be the most important thing that happens in. Twenty twenty two for instance in the short term. And there's not a lot but as we said are coming and so more and more vehicles are going electrified or electric hybrid or they're fully electric and so things like cadillac has already announced that in the next five or ten years. They're going to be fully electric with the one little bit of information that we leaked out recently. Was that the next generation. Mustang the current gender will be replaced next year. The one after that will be an easy heavy inside. I did something component. I grew up with mustangs but because if you want to have. Extreme performance electric is the way to go back in. Just a moment here on cars that matter. Welcome to life done better. Listen to the weekly episodes where supermodel and health coach. Jill diong talks to some of the world's most inspiring women in health and wellness. It's the place for all the unicorns. Who's strive to create a life on their own terms. Join us to explore. Discover and create a life done better together. Listen and subscribe from kurt co media media for your mind. We'll come back to cars that matter back to sam. Let's talk about sam fiorani for minute. You're a prolific writer. You've known so many people in the field of automotive journalism. One of my questions to start would be who are some of your greatest influences some of the people that kind of pumped craft your style and your trade. I've read so many different riders and enjoyed all their work and about thirty years ago. I was fresh out of college. I was trying to find something to do. And what i really wanted to do. Was get in with a group of people who liked cars so we can sit around and just talk about cars for hours on end. So somebody pointed me towards the anti-god mobile club. How that sounds perfect. I everybody. I knew growing up within a they had car so i joined a local. Aca at twenty five years old. The problem with aca is that it's not so much a car club as it is a club of people who own cars those people at the time. Where a lot older than me. So i'm twenty five years old sitting at dinner with sixty and seventy year old people who are discussing about how their friends retired to florida or their kids are having grandkids. And they weren't talking about their cars. They were talking about their friendships and such. This isn't this isn't the group for me. So one day. I was watching a show on one of the networks and it was about the great cars of all time the top ten greatest cars of all time. They counted down the cars and they had these talking heads. Come on explain why this car was so great and one of the people came up. Was beverly rate times and it said automotive historian president society of automotive historians my. I've never heard of that group. That sounds like the group for me. This is the pre internet age. I had of historian friend crackdown. How can get in touch with them. I tracked him down and joined an essay. H became a board member. One point this was a group of people like minded like again. They were like the people they were a little bit older than. I was at the time but they had a wealth of automotive knowledge that i just sucked up as the sponge. It was fantastic and beverly. Rae was one of the people. I was fortunate enough to meet their. She was a fantastic writer. She was the editor of quarterly for decades very prolific writer in her own. Right fantastic woman. She was a great inspiration to me. We're on zoom call right now. Our audience can't see you looking behind you. I see a entire book as full of automobile quarterlies and boy. What a great library that. Those are the distinguishing characteristic of a serious automotive historian. So i am impressed. But i'm not surprised sam when i was a kid. I had a neighbor who had a nice collection of old car. So i would ride my bike over to his house and he would clean up his model t or is this oto and i would talk to him. And one day took me into his house and showed me his collection of all quarterly. I it's a great great book. I loved those. So i spent probably the next thirty or forty years trying to track down all of the books back to the early sixties and i have a decent collection of them. I'm still. I still got holes in the collection. But i'm working on film them but you certainly did. A lot of writing done a very entertaining series of articles Automotive traveler and had a chance to enjoy some of those. I mean and really essentially traveling tours the touch on subjects. That have nothing to do with cars. But they're awfully fine wine beer even to record store tour by guesses at your at lp fan between cars and music. Those are my two biggest afflictions. I guess i collect pieces of both. I had a nice little record collection but at about ten years ago my buddy and i decided we were going to go to record stores and we were gonna hit six record stores in three states in one day so we loaded up the car and planned the whole thing out. We found the store that opened the store that opened the latest. We planned it out so we can stretch it across three states in seven stores. We piled in the car on saturday morning and it was a freak october snowstorm that day. We've been planning this for six months. And it was snowing that one day so we ended up going to a couple stores and as we were driving we drove through pennsylvania and new jersey and we got into new jersey and our next door was back in pennsylvania but the snowstorm was across northern pennsylvania and northern new jersey. And we knew that if we went to that store we weren't getting out so we had to cut off one of the sources of our seven and head south and head to baltimore for last two stores so it was supposed to be seven. It ended up being six and it was a great tour. We as a matter of fact we were one store. When the power went out we had flashlights from our phones to read what was on the shelves of the store. That's quite a scavenger hunt. I gotta tell you as a bit of a record collector myself. I know that sometimes it takes quite a bit of time to find your so special albums how many you come back with. We've two or three milk crates full of records. We came out of there. I was looking for. Johnny cash live at folsom prison. I was looking at. I'm a big prince fan. So i was looking for prints records that i didn't have in my collection. They're all kinds of interesting little novelties. We found that we couldn't find anywhere else. I like to cut up in the program. Where the question of the always guests and obviously gonna throw this at you know trick questions. There's no right or wrong answer. If somebody handed the keys to three cars that you could have what would they be. I always joke about Whenever i see a big warehouse and like be a good start for my collection. Because i have so many cars that i would love to have but if you had to narrow it down to three cars it would have to be no a good collector car. Something really really nice would be one of them. My favorite there is a bugatti royale. Only six of them and they are spectacularly big and fantastically built cars. The royale was built on a dare. Basically somebody said Tori regarding your cars aren't rolls royces. And he said well. I'm going to go out and build a rolls royce. So the royale was the end product. If i'm not mistaken the engine in that car was initially designed to power Locomotives as ever the remnants of the engines. Is they built six cars. They built thirty engines so the other engines went into two trains in france really credible. Oh god what a story. So if i have that as my collector car i need a daily driver and my daily driver. I have always been infatuated with avantis when i was a kid. My uncle had a friend who had a seventy eight of auntie to and i just loved the styling of it but i would want an avant a touring sedan. They built them one year. It's the four model. My god you are dredging up. Some of the weirdest of the weird. I know that car and it is absolutely the. it's like. A four door fell vega. They did make a few of them. But most people don't know that and fewer would even imagine that they ever had when they came out with a touring sedan. The pictures just looked terrible. I could not believe what they did. That beautiful car. And then i went to the dealership and saw one and i just fell in love with that. It looks completely different than it did pictures and i wanted that car. How many think they made him seventy. Okay okay yeah. And i had a chance to buy one a few years ago and i passed on it and like been kicking myself ever since. We'll maybe it'll come around there certainly not thick on the ground but i don't imagine they have a line of guys wait the by one either. So maybe you're not too many now. I'm that guy maybe your tie will You got one more car. What's it gonna be nice driver sports car of some sort and there's so many to choose from and this is heresy for an mg fan. But i i would really really really liked to have something like a triumph. Tr five or probably more in line with. I would like to have an rv eight okay so first of all most people are gonna say Sam they never made a triumph tr fi but of course we know they did. Tell us what that car is. The british shop. I worked for. I worked for steel motors in an old pennsylvania. When i was working there my boss found different cars in different places and he had at one time he had to. Tr two fifties tr to fifty was the step in between the tr. Four and the six and it was the american version whereas the tr five was the version. Everybody else got with fuel injection and because at the time fuel injection did not pass american emissions. We had to have a carburetor version. So we got the two fifty and it was a six cylinder. Tr for basically that's right. I love that car. Or it's basically a tr four with six cylinder engine that was Eventually found its way into the tr. Six sort of like the best of both worlds absolutely no. It looked good and it had that engine. Just read so nicely. It was fantastic sam. You've got great tasty picked type. Forty one royale. You've got the weirdest of anti in the world and maybe one of the sweetest little triumphs that. Mg on the other hand was quite a rarity obviously never made its way here. Small block v eight that car. Wow when the british motor heritage reproduced. Mg bodies and rover was looking to relaunch the brand. They brought it back with the re bodied mgb from the seventies with a modern landrover. Engine inside it and it was a fantastic looking little car. I like how they did it. Sam thanks so much for joining us today. This is kind of been not only a traveling back in time but a little bit of future travel to. I don't get a chance to do that with most of our guests because they're usually in one time dimension or the other but you have definitely crossed all the time dimension. It's been a fascinating conversation. I wanna thank you for being on cars better. Thanks for having me. This has been so much fun. 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You see his confession is all on tape. Everything how deadly the disease was. how was. It wasn't the flu. I know some of you said hey. It's no different than it. Your hero said it was five times worse in the flow said that it impacted. Everybody said that it was bad. Really really bad and it was airborne then. He lied for the next six seven. Eight months was even lying during the presidential debate. How many times did he tell you starting in mortgage said it was. It was about to go away. How many times so he lied to. You might dozens of times about this disease going away and then finally the just. It's called the freudian slip in the business. A started talking about her immunity which of course he dismissed in march because it would kill two three four five million americans so mika the lies they continued throughout the campaign. The president against it's going to go away and here. We are at this stage after all the times. He said it was going away all the time. She said it was getting better all the time he said we were rounding a corner. Yeah we have rounded a corner for the worst. Joe biden was right along with ron claim when they wrote an op. Ed back in january of this year saying the pandemic's coming donald trump's not ready for it and he better listen to anthony fauci. They were right then and they were right. When joe biden said it was going to be a long cold dark winter and of course. Republicans acted freaked out about that. You know republicans you know what. I'll say freaked out about for good reason. Nine eleven and a republican president along with the democratic congress along with overwhelming number of american people really tooled our entire foreign policy apparatus for the twenty first century. We are still in the mode that we converted to after about three thousand people died on a beautiful clear fall day in new york city in september of two thousand and one changed everything. Now we have a nine eleven every day and we have a president who still simply tweets conspiracy theories and i must say many of his followers whose heart has been so hardened by the lies. Who's who's minds had been so numb by the steady stream the fire hose of falsehoods. The russian style propaganda. The nazi style propaganda. Where it's not just the big lie. It's a barrage of smaller lies that so mom followers from the truth that we can have a september eleventh every day. And they just don't give a damn about it. While the president keeps tweeting conspiracy theories hospitals keep filling up and americans keep dying a barrage of small lives and allies broken norms. It's just been made people so numb that they don't see what is happening and the what is happening is on the corner of the screen every morning when we do the show and it's the number of people dead on his watch handled this so profoundly in such a profoundly backward way those comments that we started the show with from president trump and timbre take on a new meaning this morning as yesterday we learned that top trump appointed science advisor repeatedly urged administration health officials to adopt herd immunity as a top strategy for its covid nineteen response. Willie one of many things. That happened along the way during this pandemic. That just boggles the mind. I in starting with the fact that the president didn't invoke the enforce the defense production act and get testing right. we still have terrible testing for this pandemic. Yeah we do and that story you just touched on science advisor and hhs who suggested to the president and to his boss that we try herd immunity herd. Immunity is leading the disease run. Its course literally allowing healthy people to get sick which the science advisor said in a memo to his boss. we ought to get everybody infected. We need more people infected. It's a quack theory. That's been shot down. May every doctor who's coming this show and who's spoken publicly including dr anthony fauci. He wasn't alone. scott atlas a favourite of president trump. He was for heard immunity as well. Let the disease run. Its course that was a strategy being discussed inside the highest reaches of our government. As you say now we set another record for daily deaths. Mike pence said back in june in a wall street journal op-ed there is no second wave. There will be no second wave. Were right in the moment that doctors predicted we'd be in with a surge again in the fall and the winter here after that terrible early stretch in march and april right back where they said we'd be yep no second wave and you will remember. Donald trump said wasn't coming back in the fall. Anthony fauci corrected him and said it was coming back in the fall. Redfield said it was coming back in the fall. Donald trump tried to force him to make corrections and apologize for what he said and he refused to say it. Make it these scientists. These doctors these these people who've been trying to save lives since this pandemic kit. They knew it was going to be the worst pandemic since nineteen eighteen and they had to deal with the president that constantly was pressuring them to lie to the american people. Look at that graph. These this was something that could have been mitigated that those numbers of deaths could go down. Had we done simple things had had the president led on them. This wasn't some complicated scientific journey that the country has to this simple. This was masking. This was this. Was the government getting behind a not not just vaccine research but getting the ppi and the testing to the people so that we could contact tracing and do it right. It was all done wrong and those deaths belong to donald trump. Many who knew much more than us about this would agree with that along with joe willie and me. We have politics editor for the daily beast. Sam stein nbc. News capitol hill correspondent and host of way too early casey hunt with us with news on covid relief so casey gives update from the hill on covid relief. We've heard it was going to go forward mitch. Mcconnell told us earlier in the week it probably wasn't now looks actually like it's a fait accompli. They are moving forward with the outline of deal that we talked about a couple of days ago. That's right joe. It finally seems like we're gonna get some good news here and of course this news. The most important for all of those americans set to lose jobless benefits literally the day after christmas. The sense on the hill that there was no option. They had to actually get this done and the deadline. They finally ran out of deadlines. Kept moving the timeline on this because there was always another day when they could address it. And that's simply not the case anymore and with you know as you've outlined the terrible toll that the virus is taking right now. Even as we're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel with the vaccines. There was finally realization that they absolutely had to get something out the door. So we're hearing at this point that we could see the final package later on today. It it we're kind of in that situation where you could see it get delayed for a few hours but i think that at this point everyone on both sides of the aisle all the leadership telegraphing the same thing which is that they are going to. They are going to get it done. It may take into the weekend but some some key pieces of this show. We expect this deal to include direct payments stimulus checks to americans likely in the six hundred dollar range. Some of these details are still being absolutely finalized. also extended unemployment benefits likely of about three hundred dollars a week More money for small businesses. I think one key thing to watch here in the final days is money for restaurants. It's a huge part of the economy. It affects farmers. The supply chain all the way down. It's not it's not just the restaurants themselves. They say that they're being left out. That they need special relief here. And that has been one of the last sticking points we've been reporting so something to keep an eye on here as they finally do. Close the steel but bottom line. It seems like there's good news for the holidays or we'll take the good news. sam stein. Some direct payments unemployment insurance much of course after all these months. So i guess the question people watching today is. Why did this take so long. It's not a massive deal. Like was initially proposed by nancy pelosi three trillion dollars or even the second bid at two trillion dollars. It'll come in under a trillion. I know a holiday deadline tends to hasten things in congress so congress members can get out of town but why did the american people have to wait all these months and months to get this deal too good question. I think it took this long precisely because A huge part of the congress felt like the current situation called for three trillion dollars Call for package of that magnitude And you know we got to a point where I guess enough people have decided that something is better than nothing at all you know. Prior to the election there was some coalition around one point eight trillion dollar package. And i was the deal. That steve mnuchin and intimacy were getting close to and then it just never happened and obviously the specifics here matter. there's been a push for liability coverage for businesses that mitch mcconnell wants and then on the flip side. There's been a push for state and local aid which democrats want Citing the fact that there's just not tax revenues to support public institutions Police fires fire houses schools. All that And so when you have those types of massive disagreements congress really doesn't do much and now when you're at a deadline of course congress connect I think the critics of this deal by not that you go from three trillion dollars to nine hundred billion dollars. You're gonna end up with a lot more hurt on the back end of it But i guess the end something is better than nothing so meanwhile this is what the chairman of the senate homeland security committee. Ron johnson was focused on yesterday holding a hearing on election. Irregularities the wisconsin. Republican continue to maintain that there was fraudulent voting in the twenty twenty election as did committee member rand. Paul no good god. This hearings should not be controversial. Even though courts have handed down decisions in the electoral coral colleges award. Joe biden three hundred six electoral votes. A large percentage of the american public does not believe the november election. Results are legitimate. This is not a sustainable state of affairs in our democratic republic. Today we will hear testimony and how election law laws in some cases we're not enforced and how fraudulent voting did occur as it always does but we can't just say didn't happen we can't just say four thousand people voted in nevada that were non-citizens. And we're just going to ignore it. We're gonna sweep it. Under the rug zone of the courts have decided the facts. The courts have not decided the facts. The courts never looked at the facts. The courts don't like elections since they stayed out of it by finding excuse standing or otherwise to stay out of it but the fraud happened. The election in many ways was stolen. And the only way it'll be fixed is by in the future reinforcing. The laws so what i wanna know is we've had rand on the show. What does he get out of being a liar but does he get about lying to the american people about things that he knows he's lying he's been lying to his constituents and the american people about covid from the beginning he's been shooting out conspiracy theories he's used his position as a senator to lie repeatedly this year he's used his position as a senator to lie about a stolen election. He's lying about courts. The federal courts have been quite clear. Even the wall street journal opinion page admits it national review his written new risks aditorial people who defended donald trump day in and day out despite the fact that donald trump did all the things he did over the past four years which i won't even get into the federal courts even those people that were these strongest anti anti trump voices on the hard nationalist trump est right have read the court proceedings have read. What federal judges have said. Which is that you've given me. No facts no facts from which we can provide relief. No facts at backup. Donald trump's tweets. That there was wrought widespread voter fraud. In fact eddie mccarthy was national review a guy who was defended donald trump every step of the way through all of his dealings with russia. Even he brought up the fact that in a wisconsin federal court in front of a trump appointee did judge the had the opportunity to present facts that had the opportunity to call witnesses and ron johnson state. By the way they had the opportunity to introduce documents to prove not widespread voter fraud any fraud. You know what they chose to do nothing they said you know what we agree with. Biden's statement here it will. We'll stipulate to the facts. Zandi mccarthy said which should have sat the national review. It was shocking shocking. That would actually continue to lie to the american people that they continue to spread the sort of lies the rand. Paul is spreading right. Now that this election was rigged. Intel is always whether you're willing to put your name on the line at the bottom of the pleadings and you wonder why even the trump easiest of trump lawyers would never do that going into federal court. Never hold the press conferences outside. We have evidence that martians had come. Dow and they have taken over the bodies of republicans on the local level and had caused them to participate in widespread voter for. They will say that they will say that outside but then they go inside or something like that. Then they'll go inside and the judge says. Do you have any facts it. You'd like to introduce to this court to prove that there was widespread voter fraud. Now you're on. Do you have any evidence that would support your claims that there was widespread voter fraud against donald trump. No no your honor. We know we don't have that either will. Are there any facts. But the biden team has put forward before this court in wisconsin and before me a trump appointed federal judge that you disagree with just one factor bizzare one fat but you. Trump's lawyers would disagree with in front of a trump appointee judge in a federal court wisconsin. One fact. Well your honor now not really we. Just here we we. We agree with what a president-elect biden's lawyers said hello and paul. Why are you lying to the american people. Why are you purposely. Inspiring people like the proud boys to go around and yelled. Stop the still beating the hell out of people in the streets. When why are you doing that was see. I don't get it what's in it for. You ran the be a liar to your people to your constituents want to spread violence across america by spreading this lie. Why do you want to undermine american democracy. Why do you want to my faith in our system ran. 'cause i gotta say i don't get it because you know it's a lie you know. There's no widespread voter fraud and yet you keep stern up so i'm just curious what's in it for you. Is this an issue in kentucky. Now i think they point kentucky like american democracy so who are you planning to who was his donald trump. He's leaving the white house in a couple of weeks. He can't go golfing with him anymore. Help us out. he ran. Help us out. Why do you keep blind people kentucky. Why do you keep lying to the american. Why we don't think ron can help himself. He's gone and you have you ever seen anchorman brick town. He's break so he. He loves lamp. that's fine. that's fine we got. We got no run through the years. But you know better. I'm not sure. I don't get it in your hand down on the ground. Mika so its performance is not like that but like wasn't we saw from senate republicans. Oh come on you know is true. I agree with you. Laziest hell that rand paul. Continue really first of all really. You agree with me about ron johnson. Being the break. The united states senate. There's a potential for putting mayonnaise in the toaster. If that's what you mean. Yes there is time there is but but he's purposely. Were joking about this a little bit. But when paul is purposefully undermining american democracy and he's lying and he's he's he's seen those court rulings he's seen what trump federal judges have said. He can really got nothing here. You got nothing everybody saying that what what's rand the answer to that but it's important i think to go back to the beginning of that sound bite. We played from senator johnson which laid out the rationale for the hearing. Which was that. Millions of people believe this election was illegitimate well. Millions of people believed. The election is illegitimate even though it wasn't because of hearings like that because republicans like rand. Paul and media outlets continue to perpetuate the lie. What was valuable from that. Hearing though is that the testimony of christopher krebs the former head of cybersecurity the homeland security there he spoke and he shot down systematically. All of the lies that were coming from the panel here he. I would appreciate more support from my own party. The republican party to call the stuff out and end it. We gotta move on. We have a president elect in present elect biden. We have to move on these officials that are republicans. Look at georgia. Bracken's burger gabriel sterling. Jeff duncan these are republicans that are putting country over party being subjected to just horrific threats as a result. This is not america joe. Christopher crabs of course is the guy said it was in charge of cybersecurity was fired by tweet by president trump. For speaking the truth that it was the most secure election in american history and he patiently. I should add yesterday. Sat there offer his testimony and explained to the members of the senate sitting on that panel. Y there was not widespread fraud and why this was in fact a legitimate election. The there's just no evidence no evidence that there's been widespread fraud. There have been trump appointed federal judges across america. Saying gimme gimme anything. And trump's judge trump's lawyers have given them nothing because there are no facts that any lawyer would go before a federal judge and put court even the most conservative trump appointed judges because they would be sanctioned for lying. I guess it's a shame. We don't have sanctions. That are leveled against the united states senators when they purposefully lie the undermine americans faith in the american democracy and president trump and his lies and performances that you saw there from ron and rand. It's the reason a lot of republicans are making the difficult choice of leaving the party. Joining us now is the co founder of the lincoln project jennifer horn. She is former chair of the new hampshire republican party and this morning we can also call her a former republican overall jennifer Thanks for coming on to share this with us when you leave a party usually because you don't have any hope for it anymore That it could ever come back to what it was. Tell us about your decision. Well very good morning. Mega and joe. Everybody thank you for having me on this morning And that's exactly the conclusion that i've come to and to be frank. It's not because of donald trump you know. Donald trump Is a weak and cowardly man. He could have been defeated. Pushback silenced at any time if the leaders in the republican party wanted to use now if they had the will to do so. It's because of exactly what you've been talking about this morning. It's because of what we've seen in the weeks. Since the election from so many elected republicans across this country who were willing to enlist in a coordinated intentional effort to essentially throw democracy in the united states of america. It has become clear to me that the party of lincoln is no more and the today's republican in party cannot coexist with the ideal that we know america can be you say This is the last straw for you on right in usa. Today i found myself fighting for what i thought. Were the principles of my party in the face of the ever deteriorating character and integrity of party representatives. They have revealed their impotence and decrepitude as they have fallen one by one at the feet of the most corrupt destructive and unstable president in the history of our country. So what now to try and help put the country back on track. If you can't work in the party well for me. It's always been about the principles mak- the pro what. I thought what. I thought were the shared principles of the republican party. I'm going to continue to be a voice for a conservative values conservative principles for constitutional leadership in most importantly for compromise for bringing people. Good people who care about the country who want to solve the problem a to come together and be at the same table and have those conversations that had not taken place under republican majorities. For a very long time you know. There's there's a lot of disagreement out. There are a lot of division out there and the republican party has has minded to their financial and political benefit I find that to be To be to be shocking unacceptable. And i think that we need republicans who care about the values of our country principles of our country to step away from the party and become part of an effort. I guess to start focusing on solving problems again. So jennifer Joe is not just the former head of the new hampshire republican party but she is a co founder of the lincoln project and it's incredible voice throughout this process and the lincoln project is one year old today. it's the one year anniversary of its founding. Jennifer i just briefly we just give people a little bit of background you and i have. I guess it's been years we have. We have been talking to each other for years. Yeah exactly and what we've talked about for years it's been up. The democratic party not been about independence been talking about. How do we make the republican party stronger and people don't understand you literally dedicated like me most of your adult life to trying to make the republican party stronger so when you have two people that dedicated their adult lives to trying to do that. One is a guy that got elected to congress. Four times and other a person who ran the i think the most important state. If you're just talking about obviously the presidential contests republican and both of us have left the party. On five years ago we both would have said we would have been republicans until our dying day. We get support from grubhub. I'm sure you knew about grub. They delivered delicious food right to your door. If you like me just to mention of grow makes your mouth water. I mean seriously. what's not to love. Your stomach is growling. You want something good to eat and you don't even have to leave the house. One of my favorite things about grubhub. 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Paul and ron johnson in those clips that you played earlier the lies and misinformation The corruption the assaults on democracy They do that and they embrace it and they stay with it because they benefit from the passion and the enthusiasm that doing so Generates in the party base the people who are willing to believe the lies of who who wants to embrace the ugliness that has been behind the trump presidency. The republican party has clearly made a conscious decision that they want to build their future on those people on the ugliness on the dishonesty on the corruption. That's we can't. They don't want to be the republican party. Joe that you and i used to now co founder of the lincoln project and as today a former member of the republican party jennifer horn. Thank you very much. I gotta say. I mean they. They have a good point. I could see why they wouldn't want to be the republican party. That jennifer i wanted. Because that would been the republican party of edmund burke and russell kirk and william f buckley and margaret thatcher. Reagan all of those people. What have been that would have been the who the hell would want two hundred or so years. Two hundred and fifty years of tradition and and and a roadmap to get us through these tumultuous. Times will not this republican party. So i guess people like jennifer and i need to figure out what to do ecstatic sam stein. You saw chairman brick tomlin's committee hearing and i gotta say i am surprised by the fat after telling me for years to stop being so shocked and stunned by a porn things that republicans are going to do here. I am and i think a lot of people are like me still shocked to see just how much these republicans will not only degrade themselves politically and personally. But we'll also actively work in the same way that vladimir putin or the same way that president. She's apparatus or the same way that iran's apparatus of the mola's in iran are north korea. He's working just as actively to undermine americans faith in our democracy as our enemies and rivals across the globe. Have been doing for years. And so i'll just repeat the question. What's in it for rand. Paul to to lie and a way that any court would call them out as a liar saying there's widespread voter fraud. What's in it for him to be a propagandist against american democracy. I mean these. The conversation with Jennifer horn in this one bleed into each other. Obviously right mean rand paul. And ron johnson. I believe are both for re election in twenty twenty two. You know when you are running in this current incarnation of the republican party. You are compelled to make. Wild unsubstantiated problematic Claims widespread voter fraud exists. It's not just as a pretense to have stronger. Voting laws more strict voting laws in the future but also to appeal to a movement. Which is trump isn't that has come to believe that. The president was unjustly robbed of his election against all evidence. Some people are Smarter and no better. Some people are not but in the end you end up at that same place. Which is if the base is so fervent in its belief of wild conspiracy theories and you wanna be part of the party. You feel compelled to you know cater to the base. Now the question. I have i guess for you. Joe in one of those hoping asked jennifer. Is you know the question here. For republicans who don't believe this stuff and want to stand up against it is and i'm sure you've grappled with this too is. Are you better off doing this from outside the republican party or within the republican party. Is there even an opportunity to make the case to change republican party from within the republican party anymore. No no ninety percent of the republican party eighty five percent. Maybe i'm not sure a really high number of republicans voted for candidate last month. Who was calling for the arrest of his political opponent because he was losing in the polls he was calling. He was trying to pressure his attorney. General to arrest his political opponent. Two weeks out that is that is a deal killer in itself and anybody who can support that and if ninety percent of any movement supports that then they are post they are opposed democracy movement. I don't really care what their position is on the import export bank. You're against democracy if you're post amok chrissy has to lay down care if you're a small government conservative. You're not by the way. That's another thing sam. It's not like i'm going. Oh my god. I'm going to have to leave a party. That believes like me and small government and balanced budgets and less of a dad stronger entitlement program. No no. They're not even that. But you know the eighty ninety percent of this political movement. This republican party supported president. Who refused refused repeatedly to guarantee a peaceful transition and they still support a president who has been lying repeatedly every day since the election trying to undermine american institution so sam. There's no really compromising with that party. And i don't know really make that there's compromising the party that's continued to vote for a guy that proposed a muslim registry which we said here some five years ago five years ago. That's what nazi germany will. That's what germany looked like before. The nazis took over germany and nineteen thirty three. That voted for a guy a couple of times who before super tuesday in two thousand sixteen denied knowing who. David duke was or who. The ku klux klan was and said. He couldn't criticize them because he didn't know who he was. Take it through. Charlottesville take it to the rallies where he's telling black members of congress women to go back to where you came from to go home. Who's who saluted political violence who tried to stir up political violence saying that he would pay for people who beat up his opponents he would pay their. Legal bills are saluting. How about this. After using stalinist phrase about mixing your political metaphors for being a fascist talking about enemies of the people then actually tipping his hat and congratulating a congressman who beat up a reporter for asking a question about healthcare and i could continue. But i won't but did you've heard it for five years and that political movement voted for a nationalist hyper-nationalist who constantly was committing war. Verbal war against quote the others talking militaristic terms talking about seizing power talking about having unlimited power under article. Two of the constitution. And that thing like a fascist. Do we call him. I don't know if it walks like a fascist and it talks like a fascist the. Maybe it is a fascist. I'm not saying the seventy two million people who voted for donald trump is not at all i know many of them tens of thousands of michael who died not following correct scientific standards for this virus because they followed him. I mean but that happened. What i'm saying is they voted for somebody who i think. Most political scientists would likely define as a fascist. And so no. I can't come back to that party. No still ahead on morning joe. A second coronavirus vaccine could get approved for emergency use by the end of the day. And we're happy to say our next guest who's been on. The front lines for months is now protected by it. Dr gupta received his vaccination this week and he joins us next to talk about it but first. Let's go to bill. Karen's with a check on the big snowstorm. Moving through the northeast bill. Megan this one is just epic in certain areas of pennsylvania. New york way to see these totals areas right around binghamton new york northern pennsylvania. We're getting totals that are coming into thirty to forty inch range. We just got a report from broome newark of forty two inches. That's three and a half feet. That is nuts. They said they got twenty inches of snow. Five hours the big cities. Ninety five didn't get hit too badly inside. The beltway was nothing. Dulles had about two inches philadelphia. Six central park was six. New york city was a little too warm in. The storm went a little further north than expected. That's why totals were lower there and harford all but he's still adding up the snow so we still have winter storm warnings that are up for roughly about fifty four million people. The heaviest snow is now over the capital district and it'll head to areas of new england as we go throughout the morning. Stay off the roads. Later on this afternoon things will improve and only a little additional snow. Call it another three to six inches possible southern new hampshire southern maine and also sections of massachusetts so what are first storm of the season. Some people waking up this morning and shoveling three to three and a half feet of snow in southern new york providence. A coating on the ground not too bad few temperatures have been warm enough to to avoid. Lake your friends at west of you have. You're going to see another inch or two as we go throughout the morning. You're watching morning. Joe we'll be right back morning. Joe is supported by norton. Lifelock this holiday season will all be trying to stay connected with family and friends through our devices. And i don't know about you but i've already started my blizzard of online shopping. But all that online activity can mean more chances of exposing your personal information in fact sixty. Four percent of adults admit to risking online privacy for convenience. 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President elect joe biden expected to get a shot as soon as next week. Unclear right now when president trump will receive the vaccine joining us. Now dr vin gupta. He's a pulmonologist and an nbc news medical contributor and he himself now has the vaccine that was broadcast live yesterday on the today. Show dr gupta. It's good to see you. Let me begin with how you're feeling. What's it like to get the shot. And what does it feel like a day later morning. Willie i am feeling great. You know there is some injection. Site soreness in my left to upper arm where i got the vaccine but nothing that isn't common with the annual flu shot for example I i didn't have a fever. Have headache some of those other. Mild symptoms that reported occasionally. I'm feeling great And so that's number one number two d. Answer your first question. We're we're over the moon in care right now for what this vaccine means for the country for all of us Delivering clinical care. But especially what it means for our ticket out of this pandemic because will eat. Yesterday was the worst day of the pandemic terms of deaths. This country has faced three six hundred deaths just in Twenty four hours alone. So there's a lot of excitement But it's It's important to realize that. This is two things i would. I'd gotten in just in the last day. Since the vacc- i've gotten the vaccine is questions when people are hesitant about receiving it and they're wondering well was the scientific process followed or was it politicized these basic questions. People still have concerns about and and for all your viewers out there. Indeed was very very strictly from the preclinical development of these vaccines pfizer. Madeira others through phase. One and ultimately phase three trials. Every step of the way science was put forward here. It's while safely. Clearly this vaccine will save lives. It will keep you out of the icu from will prevent severe covid nineteen pneumonia that we know for sure. And it works across demographics and across racial groups. So this is this is effective. Everybody who will get it dr gupta. You're obviously one of the first people in the country to get this first dose of the vaccine or someone our viewers have come to trust over this last year so for people considering getting the vaccine. What are the next steps. Look like how long will you wait for that second dose and then when will you be confident that you are in fact immune from the disease that you are fully vaccinated short so let me walk through what to expect in the general population if you if you don't have a pre existing condition if you're not living in a congregate living facility lexin nursing home. We expect that you'll get access to a vaccine sometime at work. We're hoping in the march april timeframe for the general population. Obviously there's priority groups will get it for earlier. You'll get an appointment through your doctor's office or you could sign up potentially at your local drugstore so there will be easy. Dopey a structured way to get an appointment. That's how we got appointments in our hospital system. You go and i. It's quick you get monitored for fifteen minutes after that injection. And it's really key those fifteen minutes to get monitored willie because we've seen in cases where people do have adverse events those adverse events really prop up in this first eighteen minutes. You'll be in a setting the is recommending in a setting. Where if there is a say in an allergic reaction. That was unexpected. They'll still be oxygen. They'll they'll be like sitting medications around so that that is the recommendation at any site. That administers these vaccines. That they will be able to treat somebody. If something unexpected to were to occur. So i want to reassure individuals. After that. you're gonna get a card. I got one of these cards here. That will tell you where to go. What was the date. She got vaccine. And then what. Wendy come back in my case. It's twenty one days okay. The second dose of the fis shot twenty one days later zach. Same place that. I got my first shot and then we expect that full. Immunity occurs about a week after that. Second shot so twenty eight days from when the process started dr gupta to two questions. Two fold questions. Because i think it's important to to talk about the moment right now. Where many are not receiving the vaccine. But we know more. Duras vaccine is going to be folded into what's headed out to the public at some point especially for young people who are really suffering suffering mentally in this isolation mode that they're in. What is the timeline on. This vaccine being fully executed to the public in a way that maybe we're not back to normal but we're back to being able to have a life where we do not live in isolation anymore. What is that look like. And how should public conduct itself now until then. Good morning class Both questions. we're expecting that. Full rolled out full access for vaccine. Supply is being rationed where there's no more tears. There's not a tiered system for rollout that again that march april timeframe here and that we expect that if you want to if you're willing to get that vaccine. There's no reason not to get the vaccine that everybody who's willing to receive. It will have received that dose by no later than the end of may. So there's still there's still a road ahead hair of safely any of these vaccines to everybody. That's eligible for the vaccine across the country. I should know that. There's still some guidelines here that were waiting for terms of when children will be eligible for receiving that back seen studies. The pastry trials from the internet and five others have not studied that specific group yet. So we're waiting for those guidelines. I will say to your second question here. This is where there is. A there is some confusion and i want to reassure individuals that way we're living right now is not the way in which our our lives are going to be inducted forever. There is the big question here. We do know that vaccines prevent somebody from ending up an icy where they see me or my colleagues severe and deaths are prevented from the stack. Seen that's vital but we have early. Signs of is that is transmission of this virus also mitigated from the vaccine meaning asymmetric spread. There is that notion vaccine can prevent severe severe illness. But we still don't have definitive data yet. Maderna's showed some signs of it in the press. Release recently do these vaccines prevent transmission as well in a nation to matic sense meeting somebody. Unwittingly still gets. The virus carries it in their nose and can spread it to others even though they're protected from the worst impacts of covid nineteen. If it's true making that the vaccine indeed prevents transmission in addition to severe infection than those who receive it potentially might people is normalized life slightly more quickly. But that's why the guidelines are very clear even after you get that second dose as you get your vaccines. Please continue to mask and distance until we have greater clarity on the data necessary. Coming in the coming weeks. Dr van gupta. Thank you so much. We appreciate your coming on this morning and coming up yesterday. We told you that secretary of state. Mike pompeo was the no show at a party that he wanted for himself and had planned for hundreds of people to attend amid the raging pandemic. 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Breakfast vs Lunch vs Dinner

"And, welcome to win food meets funny. This is the full day last podcast I'm your host Brian Durkin and on this episode. We got something pretty exciting to get into. We're debating breakfast versus launch versus dinner. It's GonNa be epic, so let's get into it. You want to have a great time you. While you don. half-and-half. Belly laughs. Are. We did the theme music. We did the mini and Tro. It's time to set the stage and let you know what to expect on the show. If you were a longtime listener, consistent listener, thank you so much. This part doesn't necessarily apply to you, but. Still some cool nuggets scenario Trimegah just fun as possible. If your new listener, thank you for clicking and check this out I'm just gonNA. Give you rundown on what to expect on the show. This is like the table of contents outline if you will. For an episode of last podcast, so we'RE GONNA SHOUT OUT! A fubo laughs supporter. We're going to dive into a social media poll that I did on facebook, regarding breakfast versus lunch versus dinner I'll sprinkle in my thoughts on the topic as I go through the members of the fabulous nation what they said on this pressing matter and yeah, we'll also dive into. Bias this week, we alternate between foul season biases. and. It's a fun segment learning to sell something about like. How can leverage it for comedy? How Charlatans Leverage it to you know tricks and stuff like that, and then we'll also do a little FBI recommendation. Let you know about content. Creator we think is worth a consideration. Also wrap up the food holidays next week highlights from the ones. We talked about full day last that calm and then we're going to close out with a game and a really fun game and keep it going like we did last week with a very new. Web Game. That's full blast dot com show. Hear all about that later so. There you go, that's you have to look forward to because here. Last Man. We try to bring together. You know we try to create that Dinner Party vibe. That Board Game Nyah vibe where it's like. It's just US hanging with friendly people and we're just going to be grub them. We're going to be goofy and we're going to be game and is going to be a good time. You know we WANNA. Break bread together. Play together, laugh together. All that fun stuff that way you know. We can just keep the dark forces obey keep growing. Learn empathize all that jazz. You know it's not just party time for the party time. You just want to get to know each other and get the north neighbors. You know what I mean so. That's why we're putting this party on, you know. In general I don't really point this out too much, but. Full by lasts like a no politics zoom now does by laughs have opinions on different political issues? He of course does and I do personally but. Try to keep full. As like. A. Sanctuary from your news feed. You know what I mean I can fall guilty to that and see what's going on in the world. Get caught up in the sadness and the important issues and stuff, but it's tough. It's tough sometimes to pull yourself away from the, and it's important sometimes a disconnect and you know. Allow yourself a breather from all that stuff. That's fully. Tries to be for everybody so if you're like hey, why hasn't full boy last? Said anything about what's going on. That's what. because. It's not really political by nature, but you can. You can follow me at Dirk. Bryan find out what I think about what's happening in the world if you're so curious all right so. Without further ado, let's get to our shout out for a supporter I. WanNa Give James From Cincinnati Ohio shoutout. This is He's just a great dude, and he's an excellent communicator writer. Creator he's a Nerdy Guy, knows a lot about a bunch of different nerdy things and. He comments on the polls man. He comes in and out on the polls that we do for the show. We'll try to shout out his answers WanNa Akin, and yeah, he's just a good supporter of me and full by laughs, and I wanted to give him some praise, so thank you. James From Cincinnati Ohio for answering the polls in just contributing to the whole nation so with that, let's take a quick pause, and then we'll jump right into that social media poll. Do you believe something is true, but you're having trouble proving it. Introducing you to this platform is where millions of people every day upload their thoughts. What makes it better than a blog is that it's video. Rating is boring, plus video is more compelling on Swain your audience, if you have a crazy idea or belief, but feel alone in your conspiracy I mean con-. Conclusion fear, not my friend. Because someone on Youtube has made a quote, documentary and documentary. We'll unequivocally support your point of view, so it's not listening to science and other people. It's time to double down yourself with you. All righty fan. We're getting into it. We're going to do it. Social Media poll time. That's what's happening on facebook I asked. which meal of the day is your favorite and why? Didn't specifically ask breakfast versus lunch versus dinner I noticed a title episode, but. You know I like. I like the big font on. FACEBOOK WANNA. Ask A. Question, you know I want the people to know what's what's going down and that wasn't really fit in character. Wise so for transparency there. So the question I asked is which meal of the day is your favorite? And why so let get into it? We Got Mike from fairmount in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania was Mike, he says. Lunch because it can be anything you want. Plus it tends to turn steeples of other meals into sandwiches. I like remind heads at here. You know you eat something for dinner. Got Some leftover meets and stuff. You can. You can slap on some Breguet Yourself A. You know what I mean. And you don't have if you're not a meat person. That's Fine Ale, the meat for dinner. You don't have that left now. You can have a Broccoli Poggi. You know what I mean. 'cause. You didn't finish your steamed Broccoli that you had you finish the potatoes in me, 'cause You're that person? But you could you could. You could make a Broccoli Panini or something you know, just live it up lunch. The possibilities are limited to what food you have left according to Michael Steele Hatay out approach, but is a good approach. You shouldn't waste. Feel that and yeah. When I'm moving and grooving and I'm home for while I, Cook a big dinner with the purpose of having leftovers, so I can have leftovers for lunch, so launches Connolly's basically the easiest meal for me to eat and the cheapest, so feel that thank you mike for Sharing. Your thoughts. We have Caitlin from havertown. Pennsylvania, which is up Caitlin. She says depends favorite to eat out is lunch I love a good sandwich and never execute will while my own sometimes, too many random ingredients evolved, but. Meal of the day dinner either home cooked or out. For starters. Love the way Kaelin approached this question. Love how she has a favorite meal that she eats out just a favorite meal in general and. Yeah I agree with Caitlin. That launch is probably the best meal to eat out. Dinner feels great tube like a home cooked meal feels like a like a dinner. You know with family and stuff and you know there's a dog and a white picket fence and all that jazz. An it's just comforting, you know. You don't get comfort from lunch per. Se, you know usually get sadness of its by yourself. You're in like a steel cafeteria. Nobody sits at your lunch table. You don't even like your job you know, and that's why eating lunch. House baller stuck. In your corporate office, you're probably in a suit, wheeling and dealing ming-kun Business Happen. That's what launch is all about your at the local Bistro and you're just. You're just talking to the waiter. How you just feel like someone would in you know the wolf of Wall Street Yours Yours balling. And that's what that's what he can do. You know you you in the gals. Go get a couple of cocktails lunch. Who Cares about that? Three o'clock meeting? Whatever it's Friday, you know as the power of a watch out, and I feel that you know also the sun is is papa and might be outside. It's pretty. Caitlyn thank you so much for that. Insight does very cool. We Got James From Cincinnati Ohio. He's back day. Michelle earlier, he's in this poll. Love it James From Cincinnati. What are you going to say which everyone I get to actually eat? Yeah eating. Great not going to deny that you know. I've said this before. If you like staying alive, you're gonNA love eating food. You know because it's going to help you accomplish that thing that you enjoy which is living and breathing an existing so? Yeah with James. You have a hectic schedule where like? He's on how to skip dinner or not. Have the dinner you wanted Rieti skip launch because you're working overtime or you woke up late and you'd have breakfast. Whatever that meal is you know? It's GonNa be really satisfied. It's like when you wait too long to tinkle. You know and you finally get that that comfort that release. That's that's the power of fasting. You know intentional or not for sure so James From Cincinnati. Thank you so much for that comment. WE HAVE ALEX for Magnolia New Jersey Up Alex. he says my favorite meal of the day is the one I'm eating at that moment because food. very similar sentiments here to. James from Cincinnati and I think. You know he's really channel and some dust here. You know what I mean it's. It's all about the food and the present time. Don't don't ponder your past food. You know be here now with your current meal. You know what I mean. That's the purpose of life and. You're just going to cause yourself Dharma and pain, and you're gonNA. Get away from Nevada and all that stuff. If you concentrate too much on the double decker waffle tower of chocolate, you had for breakfast. You know you need to be here now. With your cold oatmeal in the steel cafeteria and just enjoy it forever. A out of flavored has because you know that's why it doesn't taste the game because you're not concentrating on, be good to do as the power that you need to harness right there. An Alex knows that so thank you, Alex Point that adds very important spiritual message that. I hope people get even though I can't always pronounce my words correctly. Okay! We Got Curtis from Chester Pennsylvania is up curtis. He says dinner because it's the only meal that I eat and I did a little digging. Little Social Media Research, which entails commenting elaborate. And occurs one of the talk about. He's doing the intermittent fasting so good for him. I've done it before I still do it. to some degree I don't necessarily like breakfast, lunch and dinner every day so It's not always easy. Sometimes you know you're hungry and get the best view. Sometimes you the challenge yourself to push through so good on you hurt us for sticking to. It can happen. Yes similar to my tinkle analogy earlier that first meal. Is really going to hit hard if you've been fasting also this question, which is better, breakfast, lunch and dinner really easy to answer if you donate two of them. You know what I mean also kind of indicative of which ones cheeks because if you give up. References and launch and you were just about at dinner person. You know there's your son points right there. So Curtis thanks much. Sharing your perspective and story. Michael from Roxborough Pennsylvania. What is up Michael? He says breakfast hands down now. Think about it. When you have a baller breakfast, it sets you up for a great day. But if you're stuck eating stale pop tarts your day socks also breakfast can be anything as long as you have eggs with. Breakfast is the high point before the most disability meal of the day lunch. Lots of thoughts come from my goal in Roxborough I love it. No hold back digging into his theory. This is a classic. Nation common right here. These are the ones that always make the show. There's so much from the read, and there's so much fun to dissect and think about. Thank you very very much might go for this in-depth answer. Let's see here. Breath it! S It's right. He's not on Curtis schedule at all for sure But Michael, also channeling something. We've kind of learned in this poll. The first meal that you eat very important. Even if you're don't eat, breath is the first meal. Really set you up for success and he is onto something. If your breakfast is really good, it's tough. For lunch and dinner to compete like they have to be exceptional now, ray because breakfasts set the bar so hot. You know the view of it a fantastic breakfast. It could get to the point where maybe you should just faster the rest of the day you know because luncheon dinner could just feel like. Like unwanted movie sequels, you know what I mean. If, you got that baller breakfast. Michael's talking about here. That could just be your weekend at Bernie's. We don't need a second one or even. To buy the script for the third one. You know what I mean like we're good. We got it all at breakfast you know. Eggs, it's funny. Eggs are in so many different things but by themselves they do channel the breakfast energy really hard. You know 'cause you could have something like the Kremlin which is like egg forward, but that's a dessert probably after dinner. You're never having that for your launched I would be insanity And Yeah, there's a lot of baked goods. That have eggs in them, but we don't really talk about it, but yes, almost like eight eggs. You're like Oh. You must have had breakfast food. They never followed up being like yeah. Eight eggs because I had a loofah bread made with eggs in wheat and flour and other. You'd be like your Broadway talk like that. It confuses. Michael from Roxborough thank you so much for your response all right? We got Vicky from northern. Pennsylvania was a Vicky, she says. As long as I am. Eating breakfast foods recall. Here's the breakfast train. As long as I'm eating breakfast foods, any mealtime can be my favor breakfast. All Day is a sign civilized society. Though I feel like somebody might argue that last statement because it sounds very uncivilized. The breakfast is now taking over all mealtimes. The food that's supposed to be relegated to that category taking over the other slots, but you know. I feel our breakfast. Food is incredible. It's super versatile, too. You know it's pretty much. Meals that are associated with breakfast are pretty acceptable to have her like launch. Slash Brunch, or even dinner. You know, but you're like. You know if if for breakfast you had like an open faced roast beef sandwich bat would be like you should commit yourself. Like. That's that's scary. That's like I think there might be an episode about ten Ted Bundy and his DOCU series dedicated to his meal plan. That's. Probably parallels to that order. That is a wild stuff. So, yeah I feel that breakfast is. Transferable. It's like bad blood type. They can give to everybody you know. I don't know what does all right anyway? Thank you Vicki for that answer. Was Super Fun to think about. We got Travis from New York. What is up, Travis, he says. Do you mean which foods associated with that meal? Oh, yeah, that's right. He wasn't clarity I told him to hit me up both ways and then I foolishly not. Look at this ahead of time, gave an answer. He said. He doesn't like want food and he does bring up a good point because we can talked about that with Vickie like talking about breakfast foods or do we just enjoy breakfast, but. let people interpreted how they want. You know but I. Guess It's the time of day. Breakfast transcends all the categories. Guess! Sandwiches feel like a lunch food. Though so there may be some truth that another homes so. Travis and feel your question If you come up with response, let me know. I'll say it on their episode. And then yeah, we have a bunch of other people. Just to wrap up the poll here. People just like breakfast because bacon or don't like breakfast because they do intermittent fasting. or they just love to eat so that like whatever me on eating right now is great. but I want to close with his Greek. Comment from Jim from Hammer town Pennsylvania. What is up Jim, he writes. Would have been better if you ended it. And why is it breakfast now? He's doing the. The trope that I roasted. Gyms, real response, he goes on to say aside from being in my wheelhouse as a chef there is nothing on earth, not even a supermodel going ankles to ears that excites me more than a breakfast buffet. Specifically Shady Maple in Lancaster P. That is quite visual analogy. Jim I gotta hand and see you. We haven't had it for like that in quite some time in the poll, so keep it going through. That ruled. I understand your love wholeheartedly now with the supermodel analogy. And he's right. Breakfast buffets pretty banging. Very very tasty anytime I've traveled an Matt like a decent hotel with like an appetizing breakfast buffet. Game Changer so great way to start my day. The other people have mentioned in this poll and this is exciting to go back to seconds or Taste the rainbow of breakfast because there's so many. Avenues the hit like fruit oatmeal eggs, Bacon pancakes. You know English Muffins the works right. and. You're not always going to have all. That stocked at home saw. Feel feel it and I've never been I know this might sound like blaspheming and there have been shady maple. But I have heard that it is totally epic, and friends of mine have made the journey. You know the drive from Lancaster from Philadelphia. Depending on the time of day is like an hour hours and People have done it just for the preface buffet, so I've heard it's legendary. Problem though now that we're post co VID. I don't know if that's GONNA exist anymore. Breakfast buffets might be like when you watch an old moving. You're like. Wait why is the one character able to walk the other character all the way to the gate and the airport you know. Like, we're going to look at buff facings and old movies and be like. How's all this food open to the public without any protective gear? So we'll see what the future of buffets are, but. Doesn't doesn't look good, but. Vegas is operating as if nothing happened right now. So who knows people love buffets, and they love breakfast, so it might survive. Yeah because I mean. Vegas Casinos Right now. Even though at the time, this recording were joss opening up from shelter in place. They still have like. Girls Dancing on the casino floor. they got facemask, but they're still wearing like a bikini. Know what I mean. It's like okay sure. As necessary end definitely totally say. Sow will say I'm sure they will offer breakfast buffets. thank you. Everyone that wrote in was super. Fun, to talk about and think about and chat about there is a lot of pros and cons to refuse lunch and dinner. You know naming I agree with the sentiments in this poll that. You know. Breakfast foods or probably the best category of foods word interpret the question that way the versatile. They feel acceptable the at any time of the day. They have the range of being like savory or sweet. They can really fill you up. They can really set you up for success, but they can also be like lean. Trying to like Dieter or Accomplish something you know health and nutrition wise. You can make it happen. Somewhere in the realm of breakfast something about like lunches and dinners. The really good ones feel greedier. You know like the best sandwiches reprising night. Good for you, the best dinner's probably you know. For involve murder. You know what I mean so there there. There's some questions there. By a you know what I mean, the the trade off, but which meal of the day is my favorite? And why I would say give him my current schedule because I still do the fast I. Skip Breakfast I'll say dinners my favorite. Because I usually. Eat something, super, simple or basic for launch can keep grooving with the work. I have to do so either. It'd be like a peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich were leftovers from the night before, so just like nothing. It's just like fuel snuffing exciting to get the game going. And I'm taking a reverse approach that everyone on this poll, because since I skipped preface, that is my first meal says like. It's like I'm holding. Going to the bathroom, and then when I go I I'm just leading a little bit out. Not even getting the full experience Keep Bat Fund Metaphor Gallon Yet dinners when I let loose, that's when I cook a big meal. You know there might be like sausages or pasta or rice and beans and all fun stuff so. Yeah I guess dinner's the meal I look forward to the most prior like a reward for the day's work by breakfast. Food for dinner is totally broking game changer tastes amazing feels amazing so. There you have it. That's our deep dive into breath versus lunch versus dinner. If you like these types of debates and conversations, and if you WANNA get in on the action, there's two great ways you can do it. One you can join the email list. That real get like notified about upcoming content. You'll get exclusive comedy. 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Fourteen eighty eight is the fun part of the game because we know here at dot p. that we are not racist, so can't be racist. That's this how it works. So with Adler just wanted to introduce you to our new major walkers Dick when of conquers the dark forces. You get that right now. All right is our cognitive bias segment of the show. This is where we kind of learn ourselves. Something learn a little bit about ourselves. Our minds work how we can get tricked how we can trigger other people. Sometimes, it's fun for comedy to do a silly bit or sketch. We're like a standup joke. Other times to sway public opinion and to get people to vote against their best interest, that part is kind of duty but cheeks. That's why we like to you know. Take a pause from the silly and. Try to get a little serious because it's fun to talk about breakfast versus lunch versus dinner, but ultimately doesn't really matter. Learning these things and think about these things as matters just a little bit more so. This week we're talking about cognitive bias and we're talking about the cognitive bias. Belief buys now. There's a fantastic website called your bias. Dot is all links in the show notes by ways you can just click there. You don't have to necessarily remember this and type in not promoted in the show so far, and the fantastic website categorizes all these cognitive biases, gives you definitions and examples. And they're fantastic. Support them. They're great. They're the inspiration for this segment, and I'm GonNa read their definition here on the show for the belief bias. So here you go belief bias. If the conclusion supports your existing beliefs y'all rationalize anything that supports it. It's difficult for us to set aside or existing ideas to consider the true merits of an argument in practice, this means that are beliefs become impervious to criticism and are perpetually reinforced. A useful thing to ask is win and how did I get this belief? Very very very true. There are some unbelievably excellent. Stand up comedians that you can't see right now because of quarantine but. Hopefully you get to see them some day, and they really lean on the really really masterful standups lean on belief bias to like. Let to make punchline leverage a joke you know like. Andrew Tino has a fantastic bit. Spoil it, but part of the punchline is after he tells the story. Is Calling the audience out on how they mentally pitcher to character in history even though he never. said the person looked like you know and. It's kind of me. It's funny. It's a standup joke. It's a fun time, but it does point out. An interesting thing that we battle with. I struggle with this herbalist. Also this, it's tough. You know basically anytime. Your worldview gets challenged. You'RE GONNA. Fall into this and scramble into this. just to preserve. How you how you, you know comprehend things since it's understandable, but I think that question at the end there you know. When and how did I? Get this belief. Is really really helpful. You know what I mean like. To get. To get real with you right now I am a registered. I am now registered the but. That was not always the case. When I was in high school I swore I'd never ever vote never ever register and. I came to that belief because what I witness in the election of the timing. Be Feel like there is no point. In there was all rigged and. It was only after like examining myself thinking about like the like of no voting thing came from. Start to think about like who I was backed in. House immature and how not the same person today and. I reevaluated. If I still believe that and I don't so then I made the change right, but it only happened when I sat down a thought about like. Oh, where'd this thing that? I believe in come from so it's a great question is a great way to dismantle this bias. But this bias. Suber dangerous You, know both are fake. Commercials are always inspired by the segment. And Yeah. There's just a lot of people. That seek out of very very suspect quote, unquote documentaries on conspiracies and stuff on the Youtube and just double down on. What they think the truth is. and. Yeah there's a lot of people that. Don't think they need to say or do anything. as an organization and Kinda just want things to go away and. That's not a big deal or believe that their virtuous when they're not. Anyone that knows me knows that I'm a card player. The second commercial was. Thinly veiled. Comparison to. To a real company that is. That is acting a fool. Not Doing will guide. got some real systematic issues. They got work it out. Before Al ever support them again so. You can dig into that more if you WanNa follow me personally and find out this is not the place to continue on it, but just be aware of the belief bias. You know it can They can easily cloud your judgment. It is the ultimate way where you don't check yourself before you wreck yourself so hopefully. 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615 Supersonic Commercial Aircraft

Airplane Geeks Podcast

52:51 min | 9 months ago

615 Supersonic Commercial Aircraft

"This is the airplane. GEEKS podcast our aim is to educate and inform you explore and expand your passion for Aviation and entertain you a little along the way. This. Episode Boom Supersonics XP one demonstrator is expected to roll out next month and Virgin Galactic Holdings unveiled its commercial supersonic aircraft concept. Both companies are working with Rolls Royce on supporting Engine Technology China's Ag six hundred large seaplane had its first ocean takeoff. United Airlines is moving its embryo, your J. One, four, five regional jets operated by express jet to commute air. Some pilots may have to get re examined after their examiners work was called into question. Boeing had some bad profit news and some good seven three seven Max news airline passengers are bringing their own booze aboard and the airline's stockpile of nuts is growing. And allegiant air is offering a very clever work from Vegas package, it's all coming up right now. Welcome to the airplane Geeks podcast this episode six, hundred, fifteen of the show where we talk aviation I mix flight with me. This episode is David Van. Hoof are. A historian and military aviation expert. Hey everybody I had a good weekend at the Museum I. Shout Out to Stuart and a couple of other people who showed up to walk up and start telling me stories about airplane geeks in. Then I realized, Oh, they're listeners. Now kind of non sequiturs looking forward to a lot of Max west stories. We may have to explain that. This. Is, Max Max Trescott coast of Aviation Newstalk podcast. He's also a national five year and of course, he's an expert. On the. Aircraft and I'm the chief storyteller. Apparently I'll tell you I'll tell you a quick one. I spent three days at the shore and man my feeling. Great. There's nothing more relaxing than just getting out there and get your sand in the toes and. Getting a little. Getting a little sanity back. In the toes that's uncomfortable. I hope it wasn't too crowded. You know it was crowded Saturday Sunday not. So credit today but certainly, not east coast beach crowded. It's. Believe me way spread out compared to that but I had the mask off when people weren't around put it on people were close by. So most of the time they weren't nearby so very, very relaxing. So I'm back good good. All right. Well, we have a lot of news stories to talk about this episode. Max Trescott is somewhat responsible for that as we'll. Walk them. And We'd better get started. So are you guys ready ready from the West Ready in the hurricane? First story comes from. Reuters united to. Drop contract with express jet dealing fatal blow. That sounds ominous. Yes. United sent out initially a note saying that they were going to be. Choosing between one of their two rival regional carriers that the soup they're partnered with and literally with a day or two after that, they came out and said we've decided. Made me think they'd already decided the first time when they kind of gave the heads up on this. But yes, they are saying goodbye to express jet which properly announced that they may be. In. Big Trouble. So I I have a feeling that company may essentially be out of business. Now said that their contractors to operate fifty seat airplanes I was thinking that most of the regionals had moved up to seventy seat in the larger. So I was surprised that they were only operating fifty seat planes, which may be one of the reasons that they were. The ones chosen to be cut I don't know. The Air Yard. J.. One forty fives and yeah the the planes operated by express jet or going to commute. Air. Express jet has more of them currently than commute air. But commuters going to be the sole United Yard J. One, four, five operator. And I guess the logic for this kind of. Obvious maybe united is. looking ahead and seeing themselves as becoming a smaller airline as are most of them. These days result of the pandemic. Andy. United wants to consolidate these and the they do say that transition will take a number of months, which is not very specific. But both expressed jet and commute air been around the wild. So they both really formed in the Eighties Express, jet was established in eighty six. Operations started in nineteen, eighty seven. And Commute Air was founded in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty nine. So they both have a history. I I don't really know. What the the logic is that united employed to decide which of those two was gonna be the going forward commuter airline for united but Here's the result Yup and undoubtedly more pilot for lows. Yes yes. Well. Yeah. I mean we're worse than furloughs I mean the the airlines evaporated it's interesting you know United I'm wondering. is going to maybe work their way into getting into doing their own regional flights. It would be interesting to see if you know if they've weaned off one, maybe they can take over those routes you know and eventually consolidate to doing what airlines did back in the day and that was they flew everywhere and didn't subcontract. Well there's that little pesky scope clause issues that Throws a monkey wrench in that. I don't know you know. SCOPE clause has been around for a long time, and of course, this is the. This is the the rule I'm not sure what you call it. Exactly the the agreement that results in a separation of pilots between the regionals that are supplying the The airlines majors. And the majors and kind of has prevented and absorption of the regionals by the majors. But it's kind of you know it's kind of an artificial in many ways concept. Maybe these are the times when that whole thing might get questioned. I mean let's face it. We're talking about something you know post these airlines were created in the early eighties. That's forty years ago it's hard to believe. That being said, maybe it's time to re look at scope clauses especially these you know these days so. Interesting. It'll be interesting to see if the other regional start consolidating like this also with the other airlines. All right. Let's move on. To really fast jets from ABC Web, we see boom and Rolls Royce partner on supersonic later and those two companies boom and Rolls Royce. They announced they're exploring a Rolls Royce propulsion system on booms overture supersonic passenger aircraft. Now, this isn't a smaller boom xp one that's the supersonic demonstrator that's expected to be rolled out in just one month lactobacillus. Two Thousand Twenty is when they expect that demonstrator to roll out The test program scheduled to start this again for the. XP, one in twenty, twenty one and the overture at they're talking about the here is the full scale to full size commercial aircraft. So I, we have the the baby. I don't know if anybody's ever called that before but The boom. XP. One demonstrator. A smaller. Scale version and Rolls Royce is going to be working with them to to see if there's an existing engine architecture that can be adapted or whether they decided. To, be a new engine. I think probably that preferences adapting an existing engine, I don't know that. The supersonic program from boom could could afford a a whole new engine at least not just for the boom aircraft. but rolls, Royces really play hedging their bets. You know because we had breaking news today as we record this on and that news story was from July thirtieth that was Friday, and here we have Monday and what do we have virgin galactic debuts design and future mach three high, speed aircraft, signs memorandum of Understanding for Rolls Royce. This was from TECH CRUNCH DOT com. Interestingly, they are talking with Virgin. Virgin Aerospace or Virgin Galactic, and the interesting thing about this article is the aircraft are very, very similar. Almost is a concord between them. You know an agreement that we're going to have a specific shape. Very much like the original concord. So it's it's interesting that Rolls Royce is trying to get back into the. Supersonic. Airliner Industry. And maybe there's some synergies with Rolls Royce looking at. Supporting Virgin Galactic and boom. Maybe. There's some commonality there the maybe there's more commonality expected in the future then maybe evident now don't know that's staw. All speculation but yeah clearly rolls phrases. Stepping into this market. There's potential market pretty solidly. But Virgin. Galactic they want to design a mach three airplane so much faster than the than the Concorde he and there is A. Summary Division but a group under Virgin Galactic Holdings the Spaceship Company called TSE. And they're going to be doing this this work and what they've just announced here is the first stage design scope. as well as this non-binding. Imo. You with Rolls Royce. looking to collaborate develop engine propulsion technology. But the Virgin Galactic aircraft is they mentioned target to be a mach three airplane in the in the drawings showing now it's a Delta Wing aircraft SM- smaller than the boom as I recall the Virgin Galactic plane as. Capacity Plan of between nine and nine, hundred, thousand people This would fly at announced two to sixty thousand feet. They, they want to use sustainable aviation fuel and they also want to be able to incorporate custom cabin layout. So they're talking about different business or first class seating arrangements In this in this aircraft. So The FAA is involved the as center for emerging concepts and innovation is going to work with version galactic to outline a certification framework. So here again, we've got situation you know like we had with drones I guess where we have something something new something different in a certain way and. what should the certification process framework be for that? So the FAA is going to be involved in that process. And just to circle back a little bit the boom overture is going to be forty five to fifty five passengers depending upon the it configuration. So that would be considerably larger than than this one. But the other thing that I'm really wondering is going back to boom is have they partnered yet with one of the the major airframes like Boeing Airbus, and if they haven't do you think they're gonNa have to at some point in time I just kinda wonder they got to be able to get enough money to send up a manufacturing operation to you know build airplanes as expensive on their own. I think that boom supersonic is looking to to go this on their own blake show on the founder and CEO boom that was back in episode four, hundred and sixty three. So that was quite a while ago maybe we need an update. but one of the one of the coolest animations I've ever seen is on the boom website they have. I, guess, you call animation of the XP one progress. It will put a link to that in the show notes but what it does is it's it's sorta like a cut away kind of animated thing that it shows you not only the construction and the components of the of the aircraft but Sort of takes you through where they are with. And it's it's really really fascinating but I mean yeah these things are. These things are complicated and I mean there's still a lot of work. To be done particularly. With. Virgin Galactic I mean they've got to define the specific system architectures, the configurations they still have to design. The. Materials to use. In his aircraft and of course, then you've got the usual issues of thermal management and noise emissions and and all of that. So I think boom is a farther along than than virgin certainly. But yeah. These things are exciting I. Mean it's How can you not get excited about supersonic passenger jets? Agree I look forward to fly on one someday I missed out on the concord so I'd love to fly one of these on the wikipedia page for boom overture it says the program cost estimated to be six billion dollars just for the overture and I'm thinking that's a lot of money for venture capital why I just keep thinking boy at some point. I would imagine they're going to partner with with somebody or maybe linkup with somebody else's got some similar kinds of objectives. We'll see we'll see. But. We learn about another interesting new aircraft. This came from our listener Tom. this is from popular mechanics. The world's largest seaplane pulls off its first waterborne, flight. So this is the AG six, hundred coon long. China's first seaplane, but it's also the world's largest seaplane. And the title the headline title is a little bit It's a little bit misleading I think because. I think what happened here is the six hundred just had his first take off from the ocean. Because in two thousand, eighteen, the plane did fly from a reservoir. So this is the first time I guess in. Open Ocean. Open water but this plane took off but they can carry fifty passengers range twenty, seven, hundred miles It's pretty good sized one, hundred, twenty, eight foot wingspan. Hundred Twenty one feet long maximum takeoff weight. Fifty three and a half. tons. And it's it's powered by four turboprops. These are W J six TURBOPROPS, which if I'm not mistaken, these are. These are old Soviet engines that were developed in the sixties under a different. Name and I think the W J six nomenclatures for those built under license in China but I don't know. It's kind of a pretty cool airplane. It's big. And China won't say it but it's definitely has military applications. I mean it's primarily going to be a military transport if you've been following the islands that are being popping up in the Pacific. And this is a way to supply their fleet. Instead of carrier onboard delivery back to. What we used to do in coal early stages, Cold War, and we'd have transports land next to the aircraft carriers were the ships to provide supply. seaplanes or kind of an interesting thing. You know what I was struck by when I watched his video was it's big but it's amazing how low it sits in the water. You lose a lot of the hull. And and watching it take off, it took a lot to get up onto the step and then to get airborne I'm sure Mr Trescott knows what it's like to get his airplane up onto the step. But this was a lot of power requiring to get a lot of airplane up on step. You know that kind of reminds me of two different airplanes in one of the Albatross and the other is Of course, the spruce goose what do you think David which which is closer to? The Martin. Marlin. Okay. Yeah Yeah I. IT definitely it definitely or the Xinwei. US to which I mean the t tail is definitely different than But yeah, I argue about world's largest. Seaplane, I, how about we say world's largest active seaplane because I don't think anything's going to ever beat the spruce goose as far as a large seaplane goes you know my other favorite Hercules but yeah, it's it's GonNa be interesting watching them use these for long range patrols. You know various things and will it. What's also interesting is we'll see what kind of exports. They achieve you know they. They claim that they're it set up as a fire bomber, which you know it's one thing using a a candidate scooper neither go into a lake. But this would be a very large airplane to try to scoop up water to do firebombing I'm not sure that I would want to be torquing around with this in a fire. Kind of thing. All right well, yeah, there is some. There is some interest on the part of a couple of other countries in this airplane. Yeah, we remain to be seen whether this ends up being destroyed. The Chinese use aircraft primarily by the military or if some other companies pick up on this because there really are a whole lot of choices when it comes to. SEAPLANES picky. Large seaplanes these days no I mean should May. And it's just not something that people build anymore. It's you know. There's a difference I mean flow planes are fairly common, but a a sea plane is definitely unique. So we'll. We'll see what China gets away with what they're going to do with this. Yeah. All right on the. Training Pilot Training Front from Alpa pilots who flew with discredited examiner face reexamination. Oh. What's what's happening here? Yeah. This is definitely a big over a select number of people in Ohio possibly down the North Carolina area, but I think most of this was in. Ohio. The A announced Oh. Gosh. It's been more than a week now. That they are going to require pilots who took check rides with a particular FAA inspector and Examiner from two, thousand, eight through twenty nineteen. That's eleven twelve year period to take check rides over again. He could just imagine that is huge huge huge amount of work on the part of the The pilots because you know you've got the oral portion that you've got to go through means you got brush up on everything you had a brush up on your maneuvers and I talked with Jason Blair. Last week about this kind of find out why why does this happen and how often is it happened and says, it doesn't happen all that often. But in the past, there have been cases where the FAA has required similar re examinations when DP ease that's pilot examiners have either issued certificates for applicants that didn't meet the training experience requirements. So these people were. Lacking some hours or lacking something else to qualify for the check ride doing short check rides that don't meet the standards. He said there have been some pay to pass situations where people basically paid to to get their license and have in some cases haven't actually flown and there are other folks who haven't You know weren't English proficient, for example. Now, that's not the case with this particular gentlemen because we don't know exactly what was going on with him. There was a bit of a hinted to you know what might have been going on? I'll see if I can find that here in the story It said the competence airman tested during the time period question in. Of the AIRMANS qualifications to holders tickets in our readings is necessary in the interest of safety. They believe that he issued certificates under a ratings. Win Airman did not demonstrate the qualifications to hold the certificate or rating for which they were. Tested. Now, they've already sent out letters to everybody to whom this applies to. Interestingly that's pretty short timeframe. People got these letters were told they had fifteen days to come in and take their check ride with an FAA examiner, which is not a lot of time to to get ready or they were told that they can deposit their certificate with local FAA until they're ready to take that. So basically, that's that's kind of like saying, Hey, you're you're surrendering your certificate until you're ready to to take your check right so they have as taking this very, very seriously. There are some exemptions where people. Won't have to take another check ride for example, if someone took a sport pilot certificate or a recreational pilot certificate with a gentleman, then if they subsequently, for example, did their private or the commercial with a different examiner. Then they don't have to be re-examined but there are some were just plain out. If you took, for example your ATP with this gentlemen or NC Five certificate, there is no out. You must take a whole new check ride. Again I'll tell you ATP and see if is those are those are substantial check rise require a lot of. Preparation for so it's highly unfortunate that That this occurred and it does seem like the FAA's taking heart of these kinds of situations and that we might be hearing about more of these kinds of things in the future. I talked about this last week and aviation is talking to one thing. I didn't say which I should have said if I had remembered is at you know I think pilots often can are happy to go to the examiner who they think is easy and shortcuts and stuff like this. This shows you where that may not be a great strategy. So if there's an examiner in your area. That everyone is going to because it's so easy to pass with him. Just be aware you may find yourself in this kind of situation in the future where suddenly that check ride you took before no longer counts. It seems like the FAA really couldn't take any other course of action with this situation right I mean they had to treat it this way it seems to me. It's a safety issue. It's the same as you know, finding a safety issue on the airplane. Exactly. The same thing. Yet but it if it was Pakistan, we wouldn't. They wouldn't have had this problem here. But but I just, but it's. And I'm asking this seriously what kind of monitoring do CFI's? have. How would the FAA know that there's an issue with this individual and his student? Base. It's a good question I don't know how the kind of determined there was an issue. In this particular case, this is kind of an unusual one because he was an inspector working for the FAA as an employee for most of the time period. Usually this is with the DP ease who are you know essentially designated by the FA FAA employs I do know that the FAA keeps a tremendous amount of data statistics that they amalgamate on check rides both the number of chuck. Reid's given things like that. So there. And Pass rates. So, for example, if if you were to come across an examiner. WHO's pass rate for the last few months was one hundred percent. That's probably a red flag right there in the in the system that might indicate a situation where you don't maybe the examiner is taking a little money to guarantee that everybody passes or something like that. So yeah, I mean th there there are baselines where they know that on average you know certain percentage of people don't pass particular check rides So that would probably be one of the big flags you know examiner you know a and whatever state you know has done a zillion check rides in the last few months everybody passes. There's a problem they're they're not they're not. Of the year when that happens it. Kind of. Dog Dog of the Industry Yeah I mean these are unfortunate kinds of things and They bring a lot of discredit and fortunately it's just a tiny tiny tiny percentage of examiners. Do this, but it's still exists I think that's just we can call that just human nature eventually somebody will do something you know. Looking for a shortcut speaking of human nature how about Boeing's revenue? Yeah Boeing just announced their second quarter. Numbers and we see a two point, four, billion dollar net loss the that's for the second quarter alone. Their revenue fell by a quarter twenty, five percent. To eleven point eight billion and all that. Driven by a seventy one percent drop in commercial airplane deliveries. So that's You're going to have that kind of result when you have Your Business drop off like that I don't think they have a huge backlog. which will help a little bit but sure a lot of that backlog has also started to to disappear. So that's going to be going to be real challenge for them and in an open really knows how quickly all this is gonNA come back. So I'm sure three years. Yeah, I guess. There's some 737 Max news speaking of Boeing. I I used to complain about tankers put. Now I think I have a new. He's tired of talking about it So So Max, what do we have here from the FAA? Came out a couple of hours ago. The FAA has basically said that they are You know moving forward with certification that it's looking good They've given preliminary approval They said that they do want some more changes apparently there's a software patch that they still want to do in some key sensors that they want to check in but it sounds like they've been through the you know the whole application for recertification said, yeah, you know what this this looks like kits just about a done deal just go ahead and go back and make these few minor changes and that's fantastic. I mean you think about it it's been what about a year a half roughly that this aircraft has been crowded i. mean this is a really long period of time to. To work through all the issues, obviously, the issues were substantial and as you would expect with a situation like this, they undoubtedly the FAA. Went through with a fine tooth comb, which is why they ended up catching some things that they hadn't originally known about when the crashes occurred. So this is good. I mean this is going to be a extremely, well designed airplane I. Think by the time we get done with this and it looks like the end is in sight. So that is great news for Boeing, and for the airlines that are. Looking to fly these aircraft again. So there's one I guess just one remaining process. Item that has to be accomplished, and that is that there's actually a forty five day public comment period. Where interested parties have something to say about the proposed directive and they then you have forty five days to make that known and the FAA has to analyze that feedback and respond to it. I guess how long that takes depends on. How much feedback they receive in the nature of it so it's going to be at least a couple of months before the plane has cleared to fly again, and then of course, we have the issue of will airlines expect to WANNA be flying the airplane in the midst of. Whatever's going on a couple of months from now. So that's not clear either but yeah, Max, you're right. I mean this is This is a good news for Boeing and other thing we have is, of course, how are the other regulatory bodies in other countries going to respond to this? I was I. That was my thing. It was like, okay does. Now do their own thing and parallel or do they wait until everything's done with the FAA it's interesting to see what will happen with other foreign regulators how they'll handle it. Yeah. Well, we've seen in the news passengers on commercial flights causing some problems we've seen passengers who refuse to wear a mask. Result in turn. Backs. Of the of the flight which is. Not Very much fun for the rest of the passengers and not to mention the crew and all but. Evidently the response is though have went when they have turned around have been very positive by the people in the airplane even though it's a pain in the neck, everybody seems to think it's the right thing to do. So yes. Yes. and I think I would be in that position myself. Enough with. Her refusing to comply. Yeah I know I'M NOT A. Big Fan of the public should act like sheep or anything like that. But sometimes, you have to follow the rules I. You know I would just I would be really upset if somebody had actually brought on their. Horse. Pony, you know in the Past. So just isn't that funny. We haven't been complaining about these animals on airplanes a long time we've had. We've got new. We've got new types of animals on the on the flights. Exactly. But. We have one other thing that passenger sir are doing recently on the flights Max tell us about this one. Well, things are constantly changing new situations create new work arounds, passengers, and southwest has brought up a new issue, which is passengers they're bringing their own booze on board and drinking it on board. And, of course, this is one of those unintended consequences that I certainly never thought of a lot of airlines have stopped serving. Drinks of any kind on aircraft simply because they want to minimize contact between their employees and the passenger. So. People have had to to bring their own beverages, but it turns out they've been bringing some illegal beverages to the onto the airplane, and so at southwest has now changed their inflight cabinet announcements. In addition to all of the things, it will get you on the naughty list in the past you know things like. A smoking in the lavatory electric cigarettes or Plano fussing with a smoke detector in laboratory. Now, they're also announcing it is also prohibited to consume alcohol that you've brought. So I guess there are. People who have cleverly bought the cheap alcohol in the terminal in brought that on board rather than paying for more expensive On the airplane and the airlines are saying, Hey, you know what? We're seeing an increase in this and you got to cut that out. I, don't I don't think it's because you know southwest makes a lot of money from selling alcohol. Think that you know the need to be able to regulate how much people are drinking on the aircraft because you know they're not allowed to have drunk people on the aircraft. That's it's against the far's. So they are required to cut people off. If they believe that they have gotten tipsy cut hard to do that if people are bringing their own booze on board. They can always just get loaded up on the air go get get loaded up in the terminal and then Go board the airplane, and with a mask on, you'll never know all right I. Well, you might, if they're stumbling around the the the the airlines are actually required to not allow drunk people to to board the aircraft. Now, the question is, how do you determine that or not but yeah, if they? Have a good idea that someone's drunk that personal be denied boarding right at the gate. That's part of the far's. So I wonder what they're gonNa do if someone is discovered with alcohol that they brought on to the plane, not inebriated or anything I mean if you don't wear your mask. Play may go back but if you have. Simply. If you have a flask of some really Nice Bourbon with you is that mean the plane is going to. Turn back as well. I that that kind of a turn back if I was a passenger I wouldn't be too thrilled with the flight attendant in the flight crew will confiscate it for the. Jungle juice later on in the overnight stay you know you'll deal run around where you whatever the leftovers where poured into a glass and did away. So I mean it will be confiscated for your own safety and I'm sure that it will be not gone to waste. Well, they do say here than the memo that went out that when people are caught with drinks, the flight attendants have been told to use their hospitality to explain the policy ask that passengers discard open beverages and they say refrained from confiscating sealed containers, lock customers, stow those for the remainder of the flight. So now I don't think they're going to be turning back unless people get belligerent and refuse to follow the instructions of a crew member in which as I can tell you, you do not want to do that. That's the I. Mean People need to understand. You don't give lip to flight attendants because you know there are federal regulations that say you know if you don't follow Remember Order A. Subject to arrest and you know people don't get it they. They think they could mess around on the airplane nuke you don't I'll tell you what I'm seated in the exit row a I like to joke around but I never joke around with they're asking me about you know do you understand these instructions because I want that good seat and I have? I have heard stories of people being pulled out of those seats because they kind of joke around they don't answer the question and then even after they go you know I was just joking I really do speak they're like, nope. Sorry out of here and you know I think that makes sense should. It's serious business you know you you could be. The person responsible for either people getting out safely or not getting out safely and the take that that responsible. Responsibility seriously and yes I love those aisles seats. Okay but now we really need to talk about some serious news Oh. Yeah. This is tragic in I. Really think we need to talk about this and focus on it because when I read this headline. It really upset me. Evidently there's a huge surplus of American Airlines, nuts that's it. That's IT, and we're not talking about the people that love flying on the airline. We're talking about the nuts that they serve up in First Class I. Don't think they serve any of them in economy anymore, and this story isn't peanuts. This is another one of these unintended consequences. The company's been supplying. American Airlines with its first class net mix for thirty years has a surplus of nuts as businesses dropped by ninety percent. No surprise. Typically, they rose two point, four million pounds of nuts per year, most of which go to the airlines. But right now those nuts are just kind of sitting on the shelf. They've got seventy thousand bags of nuts sitting around mostly cashew almond Walnut pecan mix. And so they have decided to go online and start selling those nuts. So if you are unable to fly right now and you're missing those nuts, they have one point two, five pound bags for twelve, ninety, five seven and a half pound bags forty, eight bucks shipping included and you know it's funny. Literally, my mouth is watering right now I'm talking about this this story, Max. You have always talked about one of your pleasures of traveling first class, which would be or business class in on united the Trans trans-pacific was the hot nuts, our God I used to love the little ramic again with with those hot nuts in their. I see hot I. Think of you know like being in Manhattan at Christmas. And are these vendors. Yeah you just You know. The only thing would be better than this would be if bisque offs were like a crisis. And you know and you could but but you know not serve. It's really kind of I'm sure we're going to get more stories like this because the supply chains are you know airlines are changing their their catering you know and unintended consequences. I mean. This is there's more to justify than just people boarding the airplane and getting up and going you know I mean does it mean what kind of stock do they have on? For the catering for all of the sodas, the waters in the juices. Those effects trickle down through the rest of the you know. We might start hearing that the caterers are starting to lay off people because there aren't any there's not enough to support them. There you know. I did see a story actually that someone had taken their Cares funding catering companies, and yet it's still laid off. You know people. So apparently the government's looking into. that. So yes, caterers have been laid off already doesn't say here in the story, but my recollection is that it's at great nuts dot com. So anybody who wants to order some of these nuts max you and I were communicating over the weekend you remember that yes. Yeah. Did you remember what that was about you send something said some kind of a package to me Now you're on the road right now. Right. So you haven't seen the pack I haven't seen the package I'm I'm sort of self quarantined in the middle of Pennsylvania right now. Well, when we signed on here today I was wearing my my silly sunflower sunglasses here I assure you I did not send you sunglasses good however, can you possibly guess what might be waiting for you? When you get home you didn't send me nuts did you I sent you, nuts. You have a one and a quarter pound bag of nuts are the airline yet. The story we just read. You have some of those waiting for you at home right now You need to put your glasses back on. By the way for. I done a lot of airline travel over the last year or two a lot of it was in first class often because it was booked on short notice in the price difference wasn't that much and every time I got mine. Serving of nuts I would take a photo of it and send it to Max. Freight, that's right. Early. So finally finally you get some as well, I can't wait to get home. Put your glasses on. No, you OK. So I ordered these from Amazon because I thought it would be fun and silly. All right. Here we go. Well, I get the title of sunflower also. It's kind of fun being silly occasionally with the with the other co host and so I ordered some some silly glasses they'll be in the show notes folks. Because Hey, these are crazy times. You've got to figure out how to make a little fun occasionally, and now we need it. We need some some levity levity. Nuts you know we need not says. Let's. Lot I was going to say the three of us aren't nothing. ALL RIGHT ONE LAST ITEM From. USA. Today well, let me just mention the the article The surplus American nuts comes from one mile at a time. dotcom Ben always writes Great. Great content over there, and of course, we'll have a link that in the shouts but from USA Today we see Viva Las Remote Office question-mark allegiant air to pitch work a from Vegas travel packages to boost bookings. This sounds like it might be an interesting idea. I I love creative ideas I worked in marketing for a while and I was at HP before I wanted to sales and. Marketing is all about figuring out. I mean among other things. Yeah. How how can you modify your product in a way that makes it more attractive to? Customers, and of course, when you have all these empty hotel rooms in Las Vegas and you have all these empty airline seats, obviously there's a possible mutual benefit to working together. So allegiant is now peddling packages that include both nonstop airline tickets and hotel room, and they're basically pitching it as fly stay work in play. So folks who are working at home. Anyway they're pitches well, heck. You can work at home just as well from a hotel room in Las Vegas. So why don't you hop on an allegiant and we'll give you this package deal where you you know you might also have a little fun on the side while you're while you're working in the funny thing is your boss will probably never know so i. I think this is Kinda clever It's a perfect. Program for allegiant to have been a partner in this I don't know if people know but. allegiant has essentially to major hubs in the US maybe they'll be able to third one now but one was Sanford Florida, which is. Airport just outside of Orlando which they flew into because it's just a very low cost compared to Orlando and the other was Las Vegas and if you look at their route map, essentially UC spokes rating out from these two hubs and they fly to many many many smaller medium size cities. For example, I know that they've had a flight from Elmira New York, which is where I used to fly out of when I was growing up in northern Pennsylvania Down to Florida so you can't really fly too I. It's kind of a hub and spoke, but with kind of a limited hubs in locations you can go to. But if you happen to be in, you know cities like Indianapolis you can have a four night weekday stay at the MGM granted mid-september for three hundred and forty bucks, which includes round trip airfare and hotel but excludes seat assignments and baggage and hotel resort fees. Well, that's certainly gonNA. Add. More more money to wait till your boss sees the expense report for the hotel. Wireless. Well well, you know I was working from home sort of put it too clever idea. Fantastic idea tonight. Yeah. In know in the spirit of what we're talking about earlier, which is, how do we put more fun into these crazy times? I'm sure there's some people are going to go. Go wait. I am so tired of these four walls I'm going to hop on the airliner. We're GONNA go. To Las Vegas and. Nobody will ever know that a whole those an instant messages were coming from the side of the pool at the MGM Grand Yeah The these times definitely call for creative ideas and not just the airlines or other aviation companies everything. But at least with respect to the, you know the airlines and things that we talk about here. You know you can throw up your hands and. Say The sky is falling which it is. And you know pull your hair out. figuratively. Or you can come out of you that have those. Yes. Sorry Max. Yeah. Yeah. No problem. You know or you can. You know take the opportunity to think of something completely unexpected something that's you know is something that you would never even. Think about under well a year ago or six months ago. Let's say. And so you know yeah, I think allegiant is. Doing something that represents some really good thinking and trying to make the best out of a situation. That's you know rather unpleasant. Hurry we have a couple of shouts David. Do you WANNA mention? One of our favorite past guests. First of all bill. Congratulations, we miss you now that you're not with. That organization, you know otherwise known as the NASA history office but most of all happy birthday and hopefully we know you listened to the show and we know no, you've moved to Connecticut. So hopefully, you'll get to see Max occasionally Massachusetts Actually Massachusetts right? Just England has has that we'll round it off the New England but bill has been very good to us over the years. You know and. It's one thing when ric you get a guest but it's another when you you discover a friend So. Bill is is has been good to me to you know when I I was sick. I got a gazillion books to read from NASA. Miss you bill good luck with the rest of your life. 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Talking with Josh Groberman & Terry Etam on transitioning from fossil fuels

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43:42 min | 8 months ago

Talking with Josh Groberman & Terry Etam on transitioning from fossil fuels

"Welcome the core is notes. I'm cory Morgan this week I had a great chat I sat down with Josh Grover Vermont needs to publisher the O report. He's a little bit strange, but he's got a lot of break things to say about the energy industry and that's what the report specializes in. Also sat down with Terry and he's a columnist with the report and he wrote a really refreshing book called the end of fossil fuel insanity clearing the air before cleaning the air and it cuts through just a lot of the BS the hysteria. The the atmosphere that we've had coming out with people hysterically trying to get us off a fossil fuels without. Realizing, what that actually means or how he could realistically get there and he talks about things like really what is so bad about big well, because in all honesty, it isn't such a bad thing necessarily or how people have been lying with statistics. So it was a really fun and Informative, chat with the with both of them and it'll be it's an excellent episode. So thanks for sitting down with me Josh and Terry and. Grow to course notes podcast. So we got a big area to cover and you guys are the energy industry experts we been. We call ourselves. Well, yeah. Of course experts such a popular bird these experts you could write a story about how you know. We say something and then Oh experts say this straight that's us. Yeah. You. You're not gonNA professor or Cauda Mr Emmy number fraud. Right in your report I just. Go to school did you tell the school to teach economics? So how can you say you're an expert because you at for me? I. Love that approach when it comes to a lot of things with discourse in discussions when people say you can't speak to that because you aren't me doctor in such and such this. Well, you know what? I don't have to be a chef I've a shitty meal. So you don't have to be one of those vaunted experts and things I to their name to be able to have. Helicopter Traffic Reporter. I was damn good. Helicopter Traffic Reporter. Well, there's something. There's something about that is when you actually do something and I write about this a lot. When you do something you, you know what? It's like to to build something you know hard it is harder to change something that's a book about it can changing the. Transitioning to a new energy system just how difficult is you have a lot of people out there and academics tend to be guilty of, and I tend to throw them under the bus. In generically, it's not right because there's a lot of them are are do know what they're talking about. But when your academic and you say this is how we're going to do something that doesn't translate into the real world very well I remember that you've that from university to university well, that stuff doesn't work in the real world. But when you do something for a while, you learn how does work? And when it comes to energy these days everybody talks what how we're going to get off of fossil fuels and I just as well. Maybe someday but that being a century. So yeah, when you wrote the the end of fossil fuel insanity and clearing the before cleaning the air and that's been Yeah I thing. We're seeing this almost obsessive, really push to get out of fossil fuels. Fine. But nobody's quite developed the alternative us it might come people say well, you know cars replaced horses and buggies yet but they didn't illegalize the horse and Buggy in order to bring about the car one came in yeah. Displaced people people use that analogy and the use of the cellphone analogy to. And they drive me crazy because they're. So that's that is not the same thing at all. When you when people went from horses to cars that revolutionized transportation, you weren't limited by the distance, a horse could travel or what it could eat or the weather conditions much. You could go anywhere there's a road you could drive across the country. You couldn't do that on a horse it completely revolutionized everything. and. When you've got a cell phone, a cellphone didn't district place a landline cellphone as a computer it does billion things. That a landline never did so those are completely. Irrelevant comparisons th. There's nothing in common with converting. The most energy dense useful energy source. We have other than nuclear, which is hydrocarbons to replace it with something, which is less energy dense. It is greener for sure and environmentally it is better but that doesn't mean you can convert to it and that doesn't mean people are going to run to it just like the ran from a horse to a car, it's not even valid comparison. No it's. there. It's the the idea that you just replace. Gasoline with another fuel source. Migrating a great article for next week. Oh I do it'll be on. The be report, but it's I read. I did some reading about systemic thinking in e systemic thinking. Then it was this. There's some researchers that are talking about the pandemic here and how it was tackled incorrectly because it was tackled each hysterically people were looking at the bits and pieces rather than the bigger picture and that's exactly the problem with an energy conversion here a few if you read about. Systemic thinking and how you want if you want to change a system you, it's incredibly difficult. But the first thing you have to do you have to start putting boundaries around the system because you're gonNA save while we're going to change this parameter parameter or this component. And then then you can make it manageable if you don't put boundaries around it, you see you can't change it. It's just an but that's exactly what people are trying to do with hydrocarbons are saying, well, let's get rid of all of them and we have to ten years and it's like, what does that mean worse? Where do those tentacles? What do you do with? What are you going to do with all of the tankers that are you just going to cut him up for scrap metal? What about all of hundreds of thousands of miles of pipelines? What about all the people you can't retrain geophysicist install solar panels that just doesn't work in the real world. Two governments replaced the tax revenue from. So this transition that people talk about I heard time even seek it as a transition it started custody about of materials that go into renewable. Energy generation. And you got a mind this stuff's got the precious metals. You GotTa? She requires a gigantic amount of energy to put one of these things together and then you have to replace them. Right. You have to get a whole bunch more energy to do that and it's just like. Almost like a constant cycle, pick any one of those threads pick aluminum. For example, if you want to replace the aluminum is source for cell phones or whatever or winter binds or whatever there may open. Without hydrocarbons, how do you find it? How do you mind? How do you process it? How do you transport it? All, you want to get hydrocarbons one element that you would have to re map around the world, which would be a challenge in itself but people were saying we're going to do that with everything including transportation. There's no, there's no I. Don't think there's any evidence either like any. Country or state or any jurisdiction on the planet actually no, and that's why reducing. Accidents are getting more frustrated because they're saying nothing happening. Yeah. Nothing's happening because I, think works Kanye and that's one of the challenges when it comes to Mitch a little bit before we started recording communications and that's A publication like Barueri, report is nice. That specializes in energy conventional energy. Fossil fuels, but you're lay still typically probably isn't reading that like how do we reach out to your average person on the ground? Really doesn't know a hell of a lot about how their car moves because they don't and they they look at the historic images. Drives me mad when I see mainstream publications do an article about pipelines and they show some leaky surface thing up in Siberia out on the Tundra. Spent four years working in the Arctic. We don't do that. It's not like that but these are the mental images that your average consumer or worse voter yet. This is what the Taiwan I was because you always have you always write about it. No but the. You I don't think they teach kids like how gasoline is made and how cars move. The touch on it a little bit. About any of that. They have to actually just explain how the world works more. Rather than they're just going from here to there, but they're saying, oh, this climate change this that and the other thing. But instead of saying, okay, cars are powered by gasoline gasoline comes from oil. You know here's how refinery works very basic principles. Any more about that that would bridge a gap, but they also have to stop death to that's that's one tiny threat of it like you. You look around the room there's nothing everything that is here to here because of hydrocarbon right it wouldn't be here. Even the wouldn't be here because you can't. You can't get all of the would to make this furniture by hand. But did they did they felt like when you guys were little kids Oliver. Seventy years ago did they used to teach it? You. Look around the flat screen TV that it was probably less than a thousand dollars now is completely made of hydrocarbons for the most part you're not gonNa have it and and these these people will complain usually complain about the vulnerable people in society in difficulties they have a standard of living nothing would drive the loss of standard of living higher than getting rid of the. Episodes of how it's made, which is a wonderful. Show but people just don't care about stuff they don't nobody cares volume. When it's here when it's there whenever you want it, people just take it for granted coup. Who thinks about heat when you go into a building in winter, you don't think about it. It's warm. You're nobody goes in and says, well, I'm grateful that it's warm in here today look down the line all the way from the Got Punch Button in. Its come into the just talking about the installation in building. WHO LOVES TO? Talk about that maybe to talk about it without saying one way or another just say this is how this is done. And that's it maybe without trying because one way or another well, like there's there's a couple of examples where people almost died because of a shortage of of fuel last last winter. Quebec, almost ran out of propane because the real railways were blockaded legally and and and and. Hospitals in parts of Quebec Society which were running fuel, and they're like, this is a big deal. It's the middle of winter. We need to keep our hospital heated and the same thing happened in Rhode Island in two thousand nineteen, they ran out of natural gas or they couldn't get enough in because they won't allow pipelines in. And a bunch of people almost throat to throws to death they declared a state of emergency. So if there and that hasn't been a good learning experience for people, it hasn't really registered that I've seen anyways because Rhode Island went right back to getting on the we gotta Get rid of Fossil Fuels Bandwagon. -fornia. Right now, it's just about as dangerous view to heat wave in southern. California you're a senior in a house without air conditioning as near as deadly as without heat candidate in February, and that's because they've gone too far to renewables without an and at the same time got rid of too fossil fuels getting rid of their shutting down the gas fired power plants and nuclear plant to, and then there's they're counting on on renewables and when they recognize there is a shortfall in power and they say, well, we'll just get it from other states but that's not a solution to a problem like if everybody does. Do the same thing with how's that going to work, but they still won't learn from that. The mainstream of opinion won't see value. Oh, they're kind of forced to but I think there's too many vested interests now there's just too much of a climate industry. That that they exist to to discredit fossil fuels and that's the hardest thing that battle I think. Yeah. That's their pros. So I want to ask you something corey if you think about Alberta. Planning. For sure happening but they're saying that they're going to open an office in Montreal. To advocate for oil district. Yeah, I. Think they're pissing in the wind it'll be nice patronage appointment to stick somebody give what do they do that? I want to know what they do. They're gonNA open up an office play cards yeah and then some guys up in the morning is it go to the office the PUCK is going to make budget calls and set up some meetings and no one will talk to. Make, some reports he's GonNa. Make reports me about phase one brings me into something that I wanted to cover is the the catastrophic in my view failure Miss War Room the Canada Energy Center now that me even I look at the jaundice eye as soon as they see release to this I, just I would like to say that I'm very disappointed in Kelly who voted for Who has completely and I don't know if it's him or him trusting the people around him to. To do certain things. But they have totally adopted the Alison Redford strategy. Of. Over going to say all these nice things market, we will be this and that and it just never works and it does not work. At there are. A little bit of good things coming out of there. But but for the budget and for the time they've had it's it's it's just so far off the rails that and. What to do with this? Like we see all these these things put this out and then what happens. Maybe it's time to stop apologizing you know pushing back I. mean that was the talkie had coming into the election we're going to push back. We're going to stand up for ourselves and all I'm seeing is more soft selling capitulation. Yeah. On this I mean it's not working guys you can't appease these people. So now it's time to say to hell with you I mean you know with the threats of though I mean that was a difficult area we talking about shutting in. Private expert of resources to other areas but there's gotta be things we can do to put pressure on outside areas like Albert has been made into the pricks of the industry. We've got the oil sands. We are the demon they described were an awful evil people I worked in Pennsylvania for a few years in the field F. that's an oilfield quaker steak pennzoil I mean they were drilling to replace whale oil hundred and fifty years ago, and if you want to see war note oil facilities, your leaky pipes, you want to see an eco disaster you see abandoned facilities hello to Pennsylvania but nobody talks about that we're talking. Driving through La right beside a freeway all. The oil, the middle of town. Oh. Had I'VE GOT TO VIDEO I. Found up north of Pittsburgh I was heard this sounded sound like a jetliner like what the Hell is this and I'm walking through the Bush thick Bush in northern Pennsylvania. I'm getting closer and closer here coming to this washout. Here's a pipe that has been exposed. Probably spending and up to a spot with a few pin flags marking the spot here's a crack in it and a couple of clamps. So somebody tried to repair it and it's just blasting gas into the flammable. Stench but That wouldn't happen for a minute number somebody on knew about it the reports, the process we had to go through these things happen. Yeah and the assholes. We hasn't done a great job cap hasn't done a great job can he's not done a great job with the war room but but what is our message? What? What do we tell people and there's a lot of advocacy groups out there. Blow in there. They're running as fast. It can. They're doing this. Great a job as in can but I still think we need cohesive message are we talking about? Are we the economic engine of Canada? Are we defending our record? Because there's there's we have to I. Think we have to know how reviewed across Canada for better or worse I. Mean. Albert has always been have province right to have problems. We don't have a sales tax year that's still bugs a lot of people across the country you got thirty never sales. What do you want to resonate across the country? What's the message you want to give people? So I think that the industry has to kind of come together in a fitting from. Maybe the messaging coming along more like that give me more and to keep the lights on and keep them with their standard of living. If we go to this wind and solar I mean we got a cost. Oh, show at the transition. These utility bills are going to quadruple. Vulnerable people are GonNa get in a little trouble they practically, it's more about like people's lives and how businesses can operate here first. So you know people can think we're Dick's all day long. But the the problem is, once we can't build the pipeline. Or once a project gets constrained or once you can't do this and hire people and grow. And at those points, he got to really look inwards and say, okay, what are we? What are we getting out of this thing with Canada and how can we? Try. And also people lose sight of they look at it as Alberta's some sort of. Independent Beastie people want to become independent, but it's not a now bird is made up of Canada like I'm from Scotch when you're like every, half the province comes from somewhere else yet. So this this, this is as much of a melting pot and the other half comes from some other countries. There maybe two percent is native. Newfoundland capital is Fort mcmurray. Yeah. It's like. This. Nate average suburban neighborhood here is like the United Nations. There's people from everywhere here and so. It's not a bird it. Is Not just the oil thing it's Canada. But they don't mind the candidate. Really. There's a lot of people in the country that don't care. They don't care and they've and they've been but I don't think you could make them care unless well, other people got to them first and plant the bad blood rates and thinking you know. We've tried making them care being nice. Oh Yeah. That's that failed. We're still considered assholes I mean here's the point where we get nothing to lose. Let's make him kicking him in the balls I am talking about starting to actually embargo back I did like Kenny's idea of like if Alberta can collect our portion of the federal tax stuff like that if we can do our own pension slammed we can do. The same tools at our disposal Quebec does. The same tools that Putin does he cuts in? And then that gets people's tables get turned off gasoline cat we won't our industry won't we're free market well, that's part of the difficulty stand if you're talking about shutting down a pipeline going out well, that means you're talking about shutting down whoever those companies were that we're feeding that by not going to have a problem and I mean there's got to be ways that we can get aggressive. We Got Biden now talking depending on which our. About, shutting down the keystone yet. Again, this thing pipelines become possible stateside as well. I mean it's getting to Q. Denise a big. We have a big. Loser problem here with a bunch of losers run in this country. Who when they go. And instead of focusing on trump or whoever the states on getting the keystone pipeline built were more concerned about talking about other stuff. Well, we really need to start focusing more attention and we do have a middle everage I mean we're not. We're not like a small partner to the US we. Quite. We've got a lot but I mean there's there's no worse position to be in with a client if you're only or your prime one i. mean that's where if we had a nice big coastal access, a large port going on where I? Think you know the other client knows hey. You WanNa be. pecker heads fine. There's a whole world of customers out there now that we can ship to. Yeah. But we can't ship like we don't have a port. Yes. So that's getting your backs. You Got Berta. A that's getting back to the necessity of getting up to that tidewater and broadening our customer base, which we really have to look at these things like how can we I've talked for awhile about you know we should pay Montana to build the world's largest oil terminal in Montana. Because if we can get our oil from Alberta Montana which be problem. It's a short hop at that point right and then. Montana bears they can make all the money in the world of administered fighting to take. Yeah. But again, it's still leaves us dependent on what customers. Joel a really big horizontal well I of. We could build the keystone right up to the border at each side and have a real real. Holly Back and forth, and that would meet the regulations out of. But. It's stupid but we're talking about billions of dollars we're sitting on so much like Oh, if we have like a, we were talking about that later we got all these we have so much here we should be like. We should be like the Arabs. And you know have. Wearing Louis Vuitton sunglasses and everybody driving around in the range rovers are spent. Four very long cold dark years working in the Arctic up in the delta. And there are thousands of exploratory cantwell's sitting up there. There's another BERTA. And Oil and gas in the verge mission blue. This is a battle that's been going on for over forty years now and I went to one of the any be hearings in the new VIC wells up there I'll go sit in on it and what a what a joke. So this was two, thousand five or so I think we were going great guns because we were in the boom and we figured we're actually finally to get the Mackenzie Valley pipeline going here's the hearings though. And the open it up to anybody can be an interviewer. So there were Sierra Club Greenpeace all of these assholes and they all spent the money and that's what you gotta wonder where the money's coming from to fly these guys to a new and get up there and clog up the microphone for fifteen minutes each and just kill the entire hearing and they did that Vic, they did it and Yellowknife they did at Norman Wells they did it in every possible spot where you're having eventually that pipeline priced itself. I would have been the government said, okay you can do it now. Okay up to fourteen billion dollars to construct this thing, you you forcing us to give a third of it to the original communities and we can't do it. So they all failed. But we're just sitting such a resource. It's madness. We've blown a lot of opportunities to like. That's just the sad thing to think about I. I was told Terry this. When we were talking about northern gateway the first time. And REDFORD Christy Clark for having their spat. And Clark said, we need a royalty or you know a buck a barrel or whatever the heck it was and Richard's like royalties off the table. So we're not gonna it's like what the Goshi pounded we have how would that be for sitting here right now said the hundreds of thousands of barrels to the coast there just given a buck a barrel cares, oh yeah they would have been in. Mock on money, and at this point we'd have something we can say, okay, we'll stop. There's no constitutional requirement I keep paying US something back but we're we wouldn't be an issue if we the pipeline built yeah, we need to we need to give it another. Go on I think the Corey I've thought about this for a long time. We really need like a good leader to get in that just gets it done. Well. Getting. My view is I mean it's part of where we were disappointed Kenny Kenny smart. He's been a long time. You said all the right words going in but I'm starting to get a feeling and I didn't believe it I. Maybe there's some truth to it. He's got one foot that Ottawa door he still wants make sure you back to obvious gotta crack at the federal thrown you might use a career Paul Prime Minister. So if he starts a true regional fight if he really gets into. A down and dirty eastern bastards freeze in the dark thing he no, he was there will not be a federal future for him. I don't think he has formal plants, but I think he wants to make sure that door is not closed. He loves it there. We need a leader us. We needed a leader to tell him to go to hell we've really do well they leader. Yeah. Well, we'll see like what Arrow tool is like I have zero faith liberals will ever get pipelines this country. I mean at best you'll be. You won't be malignant you. That's the best we can tend to hope for. The best we can. Get Worse. Yeah. Yeah. Because it will lead to get worse are authentic. It's like, what do we get a guy? That'll be better? So keep thinking. Listen Lewis on the report. And I all in on her. She said to me was I asked her. I said, how do we know you can get an hour? How could we feel comfortable or competent the during the? because nobody ever really gets any. She goes. Well, you know in two thousand eight and I'm his lawyer ahead my firm in Toronto during the financial crisis. And things went bad I I bought my house and kept everybody worker. That really resonated. I don't think any of the other guys. Know it was extremely she's a can do sort of person Part of the issue that was the system radio. She got leading you're forced to serve Quebec and Ontario game you can. Try I mean she was she's smart. I would look forward to seeing. Here's a prime minister I think it would really shake. As far as their energy industry. Maybe, just give a snapshot because you your publication, you know reports on it and watches What are you seeing right now all like help the state of the oil and gas industry here yeah. It's the worst it's ever been and I'm not even that old. It's the worst it's ever been. It is so bad right now I mean thank God are my company in tears companies are doing okay because we managed to keep film Cape Balance. Sheet but. Yeah it's horrible. It is Zombie land. Here is dominant none of the companies. So you know there's there's a few problems first of all zero investor money coming in here zero. So, there's no, no new projects The other problem is that there's Majority of oil companies are insolvent southern debts, worth way more than their assets worth and banks are not moving on these companies and assets aren't moving around the states is not a great shape right now but what's going to happen down in the US? Is All these companies Go bankrupt. There's going to be buyers that come in and they'll be some turnover, and then in a couple years, they'll be healthy again and they'll be going. Here, we've got a lot of regulations We got a lot of problems here. Nobody wants to be here. And so there's just not. Anything going on and there's been some big structural changes to the the. Ten twenty years ago Josh was just a little kid there. It was more of an expiration game and there's a lot more activity from just this whole undergrowth. Price. Driven in the past two you'd have price booms, things really booming and a price crashed things to settle down and then come back. It's different this time kind of its there's the whole. Target on her back everybody's just trying to. Feels like trying to stamp the industry and also the the nature of it is changed when the last boom and in the two thousand zero sense took off what said totally different beasts those are big mega-projects with big. Mega companies that had to get those going wasn't an undergrowth a bunch of little junior starting up to got oil sands going now is a totally different thing. And the. Conventional business now to more of a resource, play the shale type thing where you'd you drill two mile horizontal wells underground and you whereas used to drill ten wells to get their reserves. Now you've one or you have one well pad which can develop eat square miles which used to be a lot of wells. So it's a and then there's more automation more efficiency and that sort of thing. So the the need for manpower has shrunk a lot so and with the the. Boom that of the oil sands, it overheated the province that's gone away now and and so so that's pulled back a lot of the the oil patch itself pull back the prices are low, and then we have a target under back adds up to a doctor saying that it's just it's it's awful I. Mean Part of it is that I think he can't rely. I. Mean you're sending invest right up I mean we we know there is demand it's not going away. We have the resource. So in theory, somebody could look at a long-term investment say well, it's still i. Dollars in ten years or fifteen years think there. Was You can't count on it here I mean you try to follow all the rules. As we saw with kinder-, Morgan you jump through all the hoops you spend all the money and guess what they still shut you down like an elite when things crashed and they crashed quickly my survey company shutdown avoided bankruptcy thankfully but I went from employing a bunch of guys two. Independent individual contractor and I went stateside for seven years. But the prices were still low yet. I was busy as tell them the states. So it's not just commodity prices and that's what I'm screaming into. The is apologised for making the excuses for over it slowdown wait a minute there's still an industry, but we're screwing it I mean I'm busy. I'm having trouble finding Labor in Ohio. I. Am John Contingent of Mexicans in Texas that I'm working with. Because they are running off their feet even with low commodity prices, Albert dried up, but I was watching them. Yeah. They were putting those pads in on those shale plays and put punching holes I mean. It was beautiful to go down and see those welding trucks going up and down the road fighting to get a hotel room, and this is ghost towns like we've got stuff in self Albert. And I would come back to in that period and it's dad. I'm talking to my co workers and couldn't cross the border friends and so on and yeah. They're they're struggling through those years. But. It's ridiculous. World Commodity. Price yet we were the ones hurting. And it's a world reputation to people look at cannon and go. You can't get anything done there. So. was laughing stuff at best. Yeah. There's the there's a lot of people here who were employed by capital spending and that that's it like big E. P. firms and big construction project companies and all that, and so they're employing all these people and all these jobs and it's just one hundred percent capital. And that has all dried up so that part of the businesses. Gone too close to nothing. There's a lot of Sa- spinoff industry, and then there's a lot of other ones right and then so the drilling industry has gone to. A minute. Fraction of itself there's only a few healthy companies that way. Dot a lot going on in this. Feel. Sorry I asked. Me With the answer from the national perspective that's part of the problem I. Think if you look in the population centers of east, Eastern Central Canada. They just look out west and they go. Well, they're still producing oil still a sales tax they're they're crying and they're producing almost much oil as it did five years ago or more, and their natural gas is still flowing in rural kate. So but that's the point it. I was in Vancouver a few weeks ago it's like nothing. Everything's fine there. Toronto everything's like they don't know what's going on here. And they don't care. No we just keep chugging along. So your unemployment rates up well, yeah we we've had bad and it's it's as. The dads are in the the the economic indicators here whatever they are is whatever they are. It's way worse than anything will ever show you. It's way worse than anything will ever show you and that's and that's an arbor to focus we a one of the guys I've worked with your pin down economists that from. One of the big banks who's giving a presentation. This is a couple of years ago three or four four or five years ago. Asked him. Point blank on record. From your from Toronto, what's your opinion of low oil prices and he said we like to from a national perspective they're good for the country. So dollar low key and it keeps the dollar low helps the experts and higher oil prices are like attacks and everybody higher gasoline prices like attacks and everybody just increases everybody's cost of inputs. So if you're sitting there in the big population center going, do you want cheap fuel for for your four million people in? Or do you want expensive you'll have oh, we'll take the cheap stuff and that yeah, those guys out there. Well. That's what I'm saying is somehow we gotta get that message make it clear. Yeah. You're all going to benefit I, mean energy impacts, your cost of everything, and if a bird is chugging along producing heavily, you are going to benefit even if you don't realize it, you don't know what you don't feel it out in Montreal. The messaging it didn't come through what what exactly how big is the engine here that people? Have a tendency to look down their nose at the oil sands. Well, what does the oil sands do for the country that that cash flow? What is it done for employment for the past ten fifty years and we're all these people come from if you go to the maritimes. People that you go into any little town and you'll find somebody that's there's money flowing back to that little town from Berta and it used to be ten people. Now it's maybe one but there still a benefit to all those places so and they tend to have more respect for the oil patch than than the urban centre we get less fly from the maritimes. Yeah. Then we do from Toronto and Montreal. Even if we want to look at ST dollars since those two cities probably benefiting a heck of a lot more if my industries again, they realize that that's seems to be our challenge though is somehow making the activists winning it's challenge it's the. Saying before it's the people, take things for granted and urbanization just makes it worse more people. Crowd into inner city and live in high rises in. See these morons on social media saying we don't need oil and gas. Some, Guy from Toronto saying we don't we have. We have nuclear and renewables. That's where I get my heat from winter you all. Virtue signaling from assholes. Calgary City Hall Oh. We power our trains on renewables. You're all seem grid. European Green. Liam. Greenwash you're. Just just it's Exactly. That's all it is. Verging links working and it's making things office what it is. Yeah. Anybody that says all the. The train is powered on renewables. Such bullshit, but that's what makes it such. A topsail I is that you go to the average citizen most people do not care. Most. People understand that they don't understand it and they don't care when I started my own website start writing pulled some people and some people were very helpful. They were totally outside of the oil patch hit with a bunch of things like these topics to write about and what I heard backwards I care about the price of gasoline because I see that every day and. fracking bad I. Know that that's those are the kind of like the two themes the day that people would talk about and. Everything else in between a vacuum and they just don't they don't care the big question I. Guess it always comes what's in it for me. So maybe that's what we've got to make a little more clear low to these other people show them how they personally are benefiting not. We need it out here but how they? are seeing a benefit from this and it's hard. Yeah. It's myopic when I was in my twenties and I was one of these downtown apartment buildings. I never thought twice for second on when I flush toilet the process. Through that waste and get it all the way out. And Gone, you just don't think about it. This priority my is getting pissed lead. Well there's the liberties of the majority of the twenty year olds in Canada right now. But those are also the ones who were screaming on the streets and every protest, and so well, it's also an easy sell for them. If you go to somebody that doesn't care about energy and you say, okay, here, here's a choice. Do you want to get all your energy from the wind and the Sun or? Do you want to get from dirty fossil fuels. What are they gonNa say they and you tell them? No No, no, we can. It's the same thing. We it's just a matter of you choosing which one you want who isn't going to sign up for that one and that's because they don't understand the nuances behind and then that's a big battle. Yeah I have no good answers by the way about. Unless. There's there's no good answers for it I mean just maybe again, it's being a little more blanket. Of is like our Prime Minister for example, he would I. Think I believe he would be okay with the industry shutting down and he wouldn't even care because they'll just go into debt to make their payments for whatever public programs are well He. Ideolog, and come on. He's just not that sharp I. mean he he's one of those examples of people who really aren't looking. He's incapable of looking at a whole picture of something that nuanced I mean. You've got butts who his brain in the background who has. Always been an anti conventional energy ideologue and. I don't think Trudeau's deep enough to have an ideology just goes where he's pushed. US His vision is he wants to go down in history as somebody bigger than his dad. He wants he's looking for UN Global Glory. He wants to be a world leader. He'd only cares about yeah. Yeah that's as. Mandy I. Think Canadians are finally realizing that but still to be willing to change him out with anything that's got to put up somebody better to fight against hopefully. something. Will Complicate I. Mean it's just obviously we kept idea there's we've been working on this reluctant. Nor we look at. People shouldn't get to discourage about a note. I know there's Messaging in the media is relentless that people in the last election that people said, they want dramatic action on climate change which implies getting rid of the hydrocarbon. sector. Almost directly even if people don't mean that when they say that but then there's two two things that showed up which proved that's Kinda. They might be saying that but it just virtually tickling one is. Polls were done by the CBC even and in the US Reuters they both did polls and ask a bunch of citizens. How important is climate change you and something like seventy to eighty percents that yeah, it's important. Very important. Is it how much you're willing to spend do anything about it then ninety percent of Canadians wouldn't spend five hundred dollars or more and over over half wouldn't spend one hundred dollars here and It was the same in the state to same results. So people say one thing and they don't live that way. So and the second part is that when we look at Troodos Glory Hound I, think he is. But in the last election, fewer than twenty people voted twenty percent of people voted for the hard core Climate Movement, the Greens and the end EPA's so eighty percent of people rejected those dot platform so. So I mean it's interesting though with without again, it gets back to that what's in it for me and maybe we need to frame it better quit trying to get into the complicated discussion about how many petroleum products in the room but just show here's the price of this. With Green Energy. Here's the price of that with what we've got now, if you can even get it with green energy which you can. Yeah. In favor the fight to be honest. There's still going to be a fatal. Where are you are you? Are you familiar American Petroleum Institute? That's like no US version of CAP here. Okay. There are just totally partisan. They'll say if one political parties being stupid about something and. The. General there are a lot quieter to which I think. Maybe we can try that a little bit. We added. Advocacy who, who, who are you fighting I'm okay with Industry Association, blatantly coming out and supporting one political party. I'm totally with that or at least being more outspoken that's been something. That's a bit of disappointment with the associations to their almost apologetic when they come forward all the time to try you know we're sorry we're big bad demons but here's how we're getting better. Maybe stallone that's exactly what they do. One of them kiss my ass we aren't demons we're doing good stuff, and here it is get over it. It's easier said than done. It appears. My quote on Politics yes? Yes. Josh loves politics. Whatever I wallow. Again it is. So. This is a quote from David Foster, Wallace's last interview that he gave. Best Writer. Everson. Data as two thousand and three. So he was covering the US presidential campaigns or whatever's happening there. As of two thousand and three, the rhetoric of the enterprises fucked ninety, five percent of political commentary whether spoken or written is now polluted by the very politics, it's supposed to be about meaning it's become totally ideological and reductive. The writers slash speaker certain political convictions or affiliations proceeds to filter reality and spin all assertions according to these convictions and loyalties. Everyone's pissed off and exasperated impervious to argument from any other side. That's politics to me that that'll anyway listen. Here's what we have to. Okay. We're polarized. Is The righties half to start at. The start talking about legislating abortion. Because that that that rakes above building pipelines in terms of what these protesters you've got gotta get out of the people that protests the pipelines of the people that protest abortion by the way for the record. I'm anti Pearl Abortion or whatever it is. You don't want it sick you're you're pro. Pro a pilot. Along this I like from the Anorak is point of view. This. So if we were talking about abortion more. Or something like that. That sort of outranked the other things all the protests are just go focus on that and all the while we can get the pipelines built. So takes like that strat away their real give them another squirrel to look runaway at while they're pissing around that we can. Go but you know what? I'm saying if there was a law that somebody brought forward in the House of Commons saying we're GonNa make abortion illegal in Canada those guys would be got. Those pipeline blockade sites and they would be right not true enough. Well, you don't this. Song that did you know I? Didn't I like? We are coming up with ideas. Now things are practically We've seen a fair amount of pipe getting into the ground on the Trans. Mountain, finally without much noise, the pandemic is actually done. Oh you thinking those assholes that listen to this far into the podcast and you've already shut it off, smashed their their. Spirited. There's lots of stuff in the US that they're protesting but don't have time. Smash the cheaper somehow and and that's part of the that made his it's it's so entrenched now they like if. You try and be. I try sometimes I've tried to be. neutralist. In terms of describing energy like like when I meet when I say that I don't apologize for everything that the oil patch does you can't there's been some shitty stuff that's happened. There's bad operators bad stuff that's happened. We can be better but at the same time the this the reality of our world. So you try and you try and walk that tight tight rope and people are just sitting there waiting for you to say something which tilts you one way or the other, and then you get thrown in that bucket forever then your piece of shit conservative or you're looney lefty and that's the. Way It the way that the media spectrum works now, Rena is that way they're set setup to dump you in one or the other diagrams have disappeared? Yeah. There was actually a middle. And you can have your outliers. Somehow discourse. We've made progress though I mean I think as time to tie it off been going quite a while but we've had a couple of proposals but are giving back into the More open anything else. You know I've let me let. Bill before against or whatever it is. As the protesters over there and. We could get stuff done. We're at a stalemate anything right now is moving along. So I appreciate sitting down to discuss it though and hopefully. Other listeners. New ideas and thoughts they said. So important is just such a waste right now that we're shut in something so good. That the world is using anyways.

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150: Kail's Diagnosis, Making Changes, and The Impact It's Had

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley

52:06 min | 3 weeks ago

150: Kail's Diagnosis, Making Changes, and The Impact It's Had

"All right everyone. We're back with another episode of combos podcast. And today we are podcasting from philadelphia. Pennsylvania are we. Oh yeah we're in pennsylvania. Billy is in pennsylvania Why do i not know that. Well i don't even know what stadium in always asked me about where i'm from and i usually say delaware because i never know like what. Yeah i'm just from so many places. And i'm like oh what state is delaware and wait. How do you know like where you're from like what determines that How long you lived there. I don't know because it depends on the conversation. And like who's asking because i lived in pennsylvania for so long but like i've been in delaware i seventy you feel like you're a true pennsylvanian call pennsylvania but then i've also lived in northern pennsylvania for ten years and then i lived in like allentown whitehall area for like ten year valley for ten years almost ten years and then now i've been delaware for seven years so it's like where am i which one of my from yeah. I don't know how to answer that. But i live in delaware. 'cause like i i tell people i'm from south carolina because i lived there from birth to fifth grade but then from fifth grade on i lived in atlanta so like where am i from the no okay like i say from like child you know like right right right. Whatever but yeah. I don't know wait. What is delaware. People called like delaware. Ian lee oh it is is that right yes yes. I'm getting leniency. For sure okay. So we've waited to do this podcast for well. We've actually. This was planned last minute. No i know. But i'm saying like we talked about not talking about it Yard that we can be together and talk about it quite time film about it for team mom yeah. Ps were filming for How do you want to talk about it. Okay so i think we've just preface this by saying we talked about some stuff on the podcast. You guys have followed up with a lot and pretty much on a weekly basis. Like i talked about super heavy periods and just like having some issues like bleeding and female reproductive have yes and so that being said i have like some stuff to catch you guys up on and i did tell lindsay and talk to lindsay about it but before i kind of get into on the podcast. I want to preface that. I'm not a doctor. I'm not giving medical advice. This is my own personal experience and I'm not telling anyone what they should or should not do with their bodies and medical situations Is there anything else. I should specifically say explicitly say okay So you guys convinced me to go get my period problem checked out and for those of you who are new here. I was having such heavy periods. I was bleeding through three and four changes of clothes per day during my period. And no that's not an exaggeration. And i would lead through my mattress. I would leave everything and I really didn't think anything of it. I guess it started that specifically started after lux was born but it was also like multiple periods a month. And you couldn't figure out like when you're leader never yet been. Heavy period started after lux. Didn't think anything of it I just thought like a heavy period. I was just having a heavy flow. Yeah and then when i started talking about on the podcast i started when i was talking about it. I was like kind of thinking of other things that i was going through. And so with everyone saying like oh. I really need to get that checked out. I was like all right. Fine I scheduled with my gyn. And he ordered the lab work and the ultrasound in the ultrasound he found on my right ovary. I had multiple cysts I wanna say almost ten like somewhere around that number and then on the right ovary. He found Assists that was half the size of my ovary And it was weird. Because i didn't have the results but i got the lab work online and then my doctor went out for medical leave. So i'm googling symptoms like googling the lab work and what they mean and the first thing that came into my mind. I'm like oh my god. I have cancer. Like i'm like crying. I don't wanna die. Like i was going through this whole thing because i didn't have answers. Nobody called me. I got the lab results online. And i just sat with it for weeks until someone called me. You were freaking out and over a weekend yes. We're actually talking about this off the podcast about how i have never gone to my doctor and had any type of labs sent to me over the weekend and especially especially If it was abnormal to be sent labs and then not to get the call. I and you're just like sitting with it or nobody called me. They're not the doctor. Not the nurse. Not an uncool person. Nobody called me. So then. I'm texting kristen and i'm like hey like what does this mean. What does that mean. What does this mean. And what do they mean together. We're playing at this point much. I'm just like googling what is all of this is and the first thing that did come as a form of cancer and so then i literally cried myself to sleep almost like. I don't know what i'm gonna do here so fast forward. I don't think it was actually weeks. I think it was several days before someone called me and was like you know he really wants to do some. Follow up stuff weeks. Yeah did feel like weeks. And then i had gone to the gym. I felt this like really weird. I can't describe it was like it wasn't like a pop. It was almost like think of like guitar strings. And if one like pops off that would feel like like like a rubber band yes and it felt like that in my abdomen area and i had they re bursts so go get another ultrasound and there was the one big one on my left was not there so i'm thinking bursted away. You have to tell this word bursts bursts. It burst so quit rewind. Tell the story about how you're contemplating ongoing to the are not going to the er. Oh yeah. I was when that happened. I was contemplating going to. You are not going to are. Because i had like cysts that i know of any really like medical problem in that way so like i'm like. Is this poisonous. Like i could this like make me sick. And so just to be sure. I ended up going. Because i i. I've never experienced anything like this. And i also don't think i had answers at this time. Did i have answers. I didn't really have answers at this time. But at this point kristen she showed kristen my labs and she said i missed it. She said that in the like notes Poly cystic ovarian syndrome. Oh i didn't see that. I missed it for several days. But kristen was like kill and i was like. Oh wow but like no doctor captain david ho again. So i was like okay. So then they I find the doctor finally calls me and basically confirms over the phone. I have pcs. We do more labs where they're testing more hormones. Testosterone was really high among other things. And i guess getting the diagnosis. I was like i. I knew before he told me because kristen was like adding right like the my weight. First of all let me just start by saying i really believe that me being unhealthy not taking care of myself. Not taking care of my body was where it really manifested itself and again. I'm not a doctor. This is how i feel and my own opinion. I don't think i was taking care of myself. I got to a point where i was overweight. And then all the other things started coming with that now. I have creed and i cannot get the weight off so i like did a one eighty with my diet really started taking care of myself because i realized i got to like a really high weight that i wasn't comfortable with and i started going to do these intense fucking workouts like all them remember when i was posting about him and they were on. I was talking about it on the podcast with the band. My legs and then you attacks and you would be like. I am doing these hard workouts and i'm like really putting forth the effort but i'm gaining weight like powell pound and you kept going through the motions of like am i not doing enough cardio am i not doing whatever and then you were having this bleeding like simultaneously and all these other things going on so it was just like weird. How everything. it's like all these different things like coming together to be hindsight. Yeah and then it all made sense. Like i can't get the weight off my periods where we're now. It's weird because from the time. I got the diagnosis. I have no longer had super heavy periods. Now i just bleed red spot randomly throughout the month so it was and it's so crazy to macy from teen mom. Og sent me a t m package when we were in philly in october and one of the shirts was a green teal shirt. Like from and i've been wearing it consistent like i know. This is all crazy talk. But i've been wearing it. That's and says pcs on the sleeve and it's just like weird. Because i feel like everything is like. There's like a thing going on. You know i really quickly just wanna talk about anna louisa. I absolutely love their jewelry. I have a couple of pieces Do have the khloe ring which is a braided gold ring. And i absolutely love it. It's so pretty And i just love that. They have like layered adjustable pieces. They appendi- chains extenders. 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Who has pcs us in the overweight and situation but as far as like the periods and getting pregnant and all of that don't fit the typical. Like when i sat down with a fertility specialist for something for the egg freezing situation which i did tell you guys on the podcast that was doing. He said that he's never had someone in his office. That was wanting to go through this process. That already had four children. Wow but in my research and he also wrote a book on. You can really develop it at any time. And they're not really sure why or how like what causes the environmental genetic a combination. Like what is it and so for me. I definitely feel like it was. This is my opinion Environmental and something that i got from not taking care of my body so that people who don't know what it is like what is like the i guess. I don't really know how to ask the question like what is pc like poly cystic ovarian syndrome. Where really patrick is saying. It's polycystic ovary syndrome. Okay so i don't really know too much about it since the diagnose. The diagnosis is super. New i know that some people have trouble getting pregnant on it. It affects fertility affects. Your insulin resistance. Predisposed to diabetes and other things heart disease And it can be very very difficult for people who have pcs to lose weight. It's definitely and i've gained so much weight that it's like. I can't hide it anymore. It's one of those things where it's like. I knew something was wrong. Because my weight does fluctuate. But that was one of the things i was like. This is not normal for me. And my doctor really didn't want to believe that i had it until all my horn hormone slow. All of my hormone levels came back and my testosterone was high also affects for some people muscle mass which is crazy because my muscle. Mass is really insane. Like it's not like normal. Even if i go to the gym for two days. It's like really. Yes it's weird. That is really crazy. So so i mean is this diagnosis. Normally are a lot of people diagnosed with this often. Or from what i'm told. And what. I've read the the fertility specialist that i talked to said that a lot of women have it And don't even know it but it is fairly new like it's only about seventy years old and nobody really knows where the rise is coming from. That's so crazy. 'cause i mean i've heard a couple of people that have it and but i guess until you went through. It seemed kind of here. I mean even. I mean i know macy was She's an avid pcs awareness. And i really. That was the only little bit that i knew about it. I didn't know anything about it. Prior to that and once. I got that diagnosis. I was like part of me was thinking like okay. Yes i have four kids. I don't really fit the criteria and that kind of goes into like. Why wanted to do part of the reason why i wanted to do. The agra troll process was because i don't have a partner right now it's not something i don't know if i could meet someone that wants to have kids of their own. I you know i could. I would potentially think about doing that. But then i'm older and i have. I may not be able to conceive. Naturally now that i had the diagnose like i know. Do you know what i didn't. I don't know what it developed. I don't know when i got it. So i don't know if i have the the infertility issue or trouble getting pregnant. I'm not sure. So i went to the fertility person and so that i'm going through that whole process so did you have any signs of p. c. s. before having creed i would say aside from the heavy period and the weight game I was always tired. Like i was always tired really and i think that having can affect your sleep and then high cortisol is that right stress Once you have quarters all you can't sleep and then that also affects the way game and not being able to lose weight. Wow yes so it's like all connected so that's why last week. When i was on the podcast i was saying like after this trip like i need to change. My diet was prescribed metformin than i have not started yet. So that's supposed to help regulate my periods balancing my hormones and then it may or may not help with weight loss. But that's something that i'm gonna. I'm willing to try. My doctor wanted to put me on. So we're gonna see how that goes and kind of go from there so it's just basically trial and error at this point. I think so. But i truly believe that i need to do the work on my ammo. Ninety nine percent of the work needs to come from me and it needs to be taken care of my body from the inside out eating well working out all of those things. If i'm not doing those things. I can't rely on like meds. So i definitely want to really focus on that. It's just it's so hard. I know and then i also think of you saying that you just don't want you didn't want to know what was wrong remember. You did say that part because you didn't if it was bad like you would just rather not know but does it not feel better to know and like to be able to take care of yourself. Yeah i mean. I definitely think it feels better to know i. I don't know why felt like that like now that i know. I don't know why felt like that. Because now that i have an answer i know what i can do to fix it or at least try to minimize symptoms at take better care of myself all of those things. I don't know why whatever not wanna know. I think it was. You're so scared of cancer. Oh mike lindsay. I bawled my fucking is out. Like i am not ready like i don't want to do this. I don't like i can't even tell you the things that were going through my mind i couldn't sleep. I was just constantly thinking about cancer. When you were thinking about how it would affect your kids you know like yeah who take care of them like obviously they have dads right right but to live a life without their mom was really jumped to that like you went from. I'm not going to doctor. I don't know what it is to. I went had labs and owl. I'm convinced that i have cancer But i think a lot of people probably do that. I think that's probably a normal will come off the internet like we should probably not have women web. Md any like self diagnosing from web. Md is literally the dumbest thing that we do and could possibly do right like googling. I literally was googling my labs and like what is this mean if it has this and this and this and then like lo this and like all my labs were. It had like certain things on there. That was abnormal. Low high abnormal. Whatever i don't know exactly what they were at this point but Eight didn't have everything was off though. Yeah and i was like what the hell There was like one normal thing. I feel like there was like something that was normal. Yeah that we're normal. But then once. I did like the the hormone thing he was like. Your testosterone is high so it was like cool great awesome. So i'm going to get hair in places. I don't want it I feel like my nose hairs. I've gotten longer. That's a real thing like your pits lake. Oh like a man kill. What is that real bill. I guess it makes sense. I feel like it makes sense to sit like prison after looks like that was one thing. So maybe i oh. I've had it for a long time and not really known but now because my weight gain associated. I'm noticing other things. Yeah you know what. I mean that makes sense to me but again it's like i have to watch what i'm eating. I have to watch what i'm doing. They did test me to see if i was diabetic. Because that's like one of the things that it can causes lead to. So i was like i don't like i don't this was like a reality check. I think so many people that are listening to this can probably relate to going in feeling like something's wrong going and having labs done and then just the waiting game of no answers of knowing wondering like things are gonna come back. Yeah or that. They've loved someone that has gone through something like that And just not knowing what the outcome is going to be that so scary it was. It was really hard especially. Because i was like. This is the worst time. My doctor could have take leave. I mean like the worst time ever. I just even the fertility. Because my gyn my fertility doctor are two different doctors. Both whoa my regular. Gyn didn't want to believe that. I had it. Because i was telling him like. I have the symptoms for and he was like. I don't think so i don't think so. I don't think so called me to confirm after taking another look. Yeah and then did the labs and it was like you definitely have it so we should get you on the or whatever. And then the fertility doctor. Same thing like you don't really fit their normal criteria. But i i beg to differ. I feel like i definitely do google. The symptoms like the periods are either irregular. You don't have one or they're super super heavy right so i don't know that aside from having four children i think that i fit pretty much all of the criteria and then remember we were also again not but web. Md everything in like. Oh is it What was the an injury in dimitrios like kanter. We were thinking all of the things like all the workers well and so the facility doctor actually said something to me about like having the super heavy periods or the random bleeding is could be a uterine issue but when i went to go have my Ultrasound when i do ultrasounds when you're not pregnant to see how things are yeah. My uterus came back normal okay. So it's it is weird because it's like the internet says one thing and then i have to doctors that are kind of saying similar but still different things and then like how long does it take to develop something like this is it. I think it's unknown. They just don't al. And is there any hereditary factors. Like i don't believe for me. No but again. I'm not a doctor. Yeah but yeah so. I think i'm still going to move forward with the egg. Retrieval and all of this because the doctor believes that could potentially respond really well to the meds for ovulation and then i kind of just told him. Even if i decide not to use the eggs at all in the future i would at least have a backup a backup chance to try a way to get pregnant. If i can't do it naturally have that option and But if i never use them. That's okay to wait. So can we talk about that. Because i feel like you just like entered a new phase of your life. Where i'm just call me khloe kardashian. Yeah all right guys. 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Like i feel like it's easy for anyone to say like. Oh i'm choosing to be done having kids but when the option is completely taken from you and i'm not saying it has for me but i feel like i'm speaking for a lot of people like it feels like it's not fair right like it feels like it makes you want. It makes you like we always want what we have now. You're the option away from me to decide on what i want So i have. I have a family member who had a situation and she said the same thing like she. She knew she was done. But now that the option was taken from her she. She's thinking what would i have more. would i have more kids. Yeah so it's it's kind of one of those situations. And like i said i don't have a partner so who's to say i won't to have kids with somebody or they wanna have kids of their own so that i just and i'm still young enough to do that. So the whole process is all young. Yeah like i'm still. You're not even thirty yet and you have. Are you have four kids. And they're so potential there. Yeah like i could. Her marley have real. Till i'm like forty if i wanted to. I feel like that's normal now. Right yeah i mean people have kids so ladies as i feel like starting to have kids at thirty five is normal. Yeah versus a long time ago. you know. yeah. I feel like we're both kind of abnormal. I had one at twenty three. And isaac was born when you were seventeen. Twenty one twenty five twenty eight so young. Yeah like that's so young targets. Yeah so like wait do you. Will you talk about the egg. Yeah okay so how'd the appointment. He was like. This is very rare for me. I've never had someone in my in front of my face with four kids. Why do you want to do this. Gimme your story. And i'll give you my spiel and i was like okay. Well i explained. I don't have somebody. I don't know what i wanna do. Moving forward i have. I don't know how that's gonna affect in the future and wanting to have kids if i want to. And he was like okay. And he kind of went through the thing the process Insurance doesn't cover a lot of it. Only covers the initial labs. And then i'll start like ovulation meds ultrasound ovulation meds I'll go in for. It's not really like a surgery but you do get sedated. Non leg full on anesthesia. But they will like you know and then they take a needle and retrieve your eggs and each load is six to eight eggs and it's a combination usually have mature eggs and immature eggs. And then you know you decide how many how many cycles do you wanna do. And actually it's funny that you say that you mentioned this for me to talk about because What was that you like. This now turns true. Crime right like be right back will hold the story. Khloe kardashian just did an interview where she said that she had to Guess cycles worth of eggs. That did not make it through the freezing and thawing process for her. ivf And that is that she did. Ivf yeah true. I don't know about with true. But i know that like even on the show. She started went through the process of egg freezing. And that was something that the fertility doctor told me was like. I do have to warn you that even if you go through this process you could freeze eggs. You're paying to go through this process paying freezer eggs and then there is a fifteen twenty percent possibility that you could freeze them and thaw them and they will not survive so it was like. Oh i said well. That's that's interesting. Thank you for letting me know. Or whatever but i still said that. I wanted to move forward just because i feel like again. I don't know where i'll be at and who i'll be with and you know all of those things but Each load is about six to eight eggs you decide. How many cycles. You wanna do How many eggs you wanna freeze. And then when when you're ready you would go in and you you know go through the process of idea and they would create embryos with the sperm either from a banker from your partner and then they would do that whole process which i obviously have not there yet but i go for my Follow up ultrasound and bloodwork next week. And then what happens from there Get on the meds to do to trigger ovulation. I'll do trigger shot. And then i will do the egg retrieval a couple of weeks after that i mean. Are you nervous at all or you feel at peace with it. I feel okay. Because i and he also is an advocate for really like taking care of your body from the inside out with the diagnosis. So i really wanna take this time to really listen to my body and no like take care of it. I've i've done some research on like dieting. The mediterranean diet is supposed to be really good and then Plant based obviously or supposedly kito a variation of kito sustainable for lifestyle But those are some things that i kind of want to look into. I don't really eat fish. But i feel like i could. Maybe adapt to some variation of mediterranean diet. Till he take care of myself. And do that. I think the diet thing and i use lay lifestyle. Yeah but i think that's so relatable to so many people because it's a hard thing to do just up and change a raleigh as habits your everything like you're talking about changing a diet working out doing all of these things that's hard. Yeah and then. I've heard that the adjustment period on metformin which is what i was prescribed. I've heard his is can be really hard like emotionally or probably both I've heard some people experience like it doesn't mesh well with carbs like are a high carbon take And so that can cause a lot of like Somac- peens gi issues. Like so we want to be really careful with that and obviously not mix it with high carbon take And then i've heard like a couple of weeks of like real sluggishness and just like adjusting to that Like a life sentence. I don't have to be on it for the rest of my life. I think it's just like we're gonna try it. See how it goes and then kind of go from there. That's what i was gonna ask. How long do you have to be on the medication. I got to refills. Okay so i. We're gonna see where i'm at and the fertility doctor that i talked to says that he does not have enough evidence to see like he hasn't read enough studies or research to back whether or not it's helpful or doesn't do much for ovulation If you look online and stuff there are some people that have like good results from it. I think it just very much varies by person person. Yeah yeah it's just so weird that you don't have the aspect of not being able to get pregnant. Or maybe or maybe i dave always have. It didn't always have it. And then which is crazy not to know like when something developed i definitely know it was in the at least in the last year maybe maybe longer Because this weight gain has been so significant for me. And i know it's just not normal for me yes. My weight has fluctuated. But this is not normal and then also like my have been all the sudden. They went from heavy changing my clothes. Three to four times a day to nothing. Yeah which is like randomly spotting throughout the month is so weird to me and you would be like. Football games are in atlanta. Yeah i bled for two days but like not period leading and then all of a sudden it's gone which is like i have an app where i track track my period and it's just like random spotting throughout the month. This isn't normal. This is not an getting worse like is there a spectrum kind of thing. I don't know yeah. I don't i don't know are you guys. We're gonna take a quick break to talk about one of our partners brooklyn in that. 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Yeah so i don't know this is all new for me and i don't other than macy i don't know anyone with i don't know I'm sure there's listeners that definitely have it or have symptoms of it. yeah it just it's wild how it just like went from not knowing anything to like now knowing all of this yeah i mean it seemed like a longtime because it seemed like you had to wait for so long to find out. Yeah but then. It was kind of like a short time. You know. I definitely want. I would be curious to see if any of our listeners would be interested in like kind following my journey if i like blog any of this. Yeah i definitely. I want first and foremost wanna be healthy. But i also wanna go on like weight. Loss journey a little bit and fitness ernie. And try to take care of myself and see if it would help anyone or if anyone would be interested in that but i think that could be like a cool. Didn't you've logged your accutane. I did. I mean. I did at least videos on that. That was another. Thank you for pointing out. That is another huge symptom that triggered all like not triggered but like what made me realize was that my hormonal acne on my chin and my jaw line came back and i was on accutane for its back. Oh i don't know. Oh yeah you do. Have i mean not a lot but like no. It's it's definitely less than what i had. Yeah but i should like. I started breaking out again and i don't feel like why all of a sudden now. Yeah and it's all hormone and then it's like okay. The periods the weight gain the pimples. The you know what. I mean like the sleep is even worse than it was in the beginning. Obviously have kids. So i'm never going to sleep again but i mean even sleeping less right. Yeah so yeah you're never gonna sleep again probably not regardless whatever but yeah so. That's my story. That was my diagnosis. All of the things that i can think of. Kristen can you think of anything else. That i was experiencing that led to like that makes sense for me. Tired of seat gerald. Yeah oh that's a good point. I don't really have the hair symptom. Which i know is a symptom for many women is just like because the testosterone is high. So sometimes you'll get hair and places that you don't really want it to be or it's darker thicker I don't have that issue. That's not something that i'm experiencing right now in a knock on one. I hope i don't. And i feel i really feel for the woman who get that because i feel like. That's so hard to deal with. And you also remember that thing with a sleeping like where you were going to do that sleep study. You never did. No i never did. It's like any connection with like all of this stuff. That like you think about it. If i'm overweight if i'm so overweight and i can't get the weight off. Naturally that's going to lead to sleep issues so yes. Yes or not p. c. o. s. Or not it makes sense. So i just wonder how many listeners that head wrote in with the questions and software the amount of messages that we've gotten in dm's about endometriosis peo- s like all of the things I just wonder how people who have also experienced similar journey with this. You know would like trying to find out what's going on. Because i don't know how you would if i didn't have the period problem that i was having. How would i have ever known to be like if it was truly if it wasn't for our listeners. I would've never went and got labs blood work and any of that. Like i truly wouldn't have. I would have not thought anything of it. I have a heavy period. Whoopie fucking do. I know it's not really normal but not so sick not so abnormal that it would be like that. I would think that i don't need that. I need to get it checked out. You know what i mean. And so it's it's crazy to think about that. Part of it is like how many women are living with this and have no idea and you won't. I couldn't just go to the doctor and be like. I can't get this weight off like even my and you're the type of person that wouldn't but i'm sure there's plenty of listeners. Nobody would. I would want to my doctor and literally didn't believe i like you wanna believe it off it. Yeah he would be like. We'll go on a diet like what do you need from. You know what i mean. So if it wasn't for the period i would've never in my. I couldn't go to the doctor and i can't get this weight off. It's not making sense. They would be like Go to the gym. But i also wonder how many listeners are in scared situations like you. That would rather not know. I wonder how many people have gone through that part because i'm on the opposite end of the spectrum if like my fingernails bleeding. I think something's happening. So i just go to the you're you know like there's some people that are like that hypochondriacs and then there's like some people they're like. I know there's a problem. But i'm not going to get help. I just didn't think it was gonna be a problem that was like like i said my. Gyn wasn't really concerned. I can schedule you an ultrasound and labs if you want kind of thing. So i just i don't know like i just didn't think it was a problem that was going to need a solution. It's like it was just kind of like okay away. Yeah it'll subside in time or we'll get you on birth control and that was the original answer was let's get you. Let's get you on birth control so that your periods are later. And i'm like okay but that's a band aid and if i'm not having sex which i'm not i don't wanna take control like i just don't like why am i putting that in my body. If i'm not having sex to does that make sense. I think to that point that i also don't take it because i just don't believe in putting the hormones and if you're like if you're not having you don't need it why are you doing. Yeah however i mean. I definitely could have used it in the past you know but with that being said again it's a band-aid i think that's a a general thing with you. Go to the doctor. When i first started my period they were irregular sets a first thing they say. Oh get on birth control because it will regulate you. It'll cause your periods to the breakouts. It'll help all of the things but really. It's just a band aid to a bigger problem. But then that led me to think about labs with your annual checkups. Are they not checking for these Levels on a regular. I never had with an annual. You never did know letty. I would get my annual pop but it wasn't like a blood test I will say the hardest part for me in all of this is very Superficial maybe But comments that i get about my weight gain on social media and being on the show and stuff like that has been the hardest part for me because it's out of your control. Yes and that's where i get emotional because it's like i didn't expect it and it's not something have been able to control. I'm tr- i've tried. And when people come and they're like oh pig cow that in third. I'm like well fuck like i. Something is wrong. Like i ate a salad and gained a pound. Yeah and that's especially like right. After i had created it was like and i don't really see normally i don't care this much just because my weight has fluctuated so i've always been like. Oh i'll just lose the way and it'll be fine and feel better about myself but like now for a little over eight months like i have gone through. I'm like do. I get surgery. Do i like what what is wrong with me. That i can't lose weight those workouts. I was like directing. I loved it at first when i started the dreaded because it wasn't sustainable not wanting to eat and then i'm trying to eat healthy and i don't normally eat these things and like that was the hardest part for me. It was like the comments on instagram. And i know that like my friends and stuff like they've noticed that game you it's it's undeniable. That's been the hardest part for me being on tv and in the public eye. But i think every person can relate to a degree with social media. It's just not real life. I guess but i see myself like my feel it like my weight gain in my face and dislike my body. I don't to get him. Bathing suit will end. How many eyes are on you. Right here to magnifies like what are mardi going through. So it's been like it's been hard in that way. Like i'm i just wanted to take the time. I'm kind of glad that like this season is kind of coming to a close so i can take some time off and Focus on like my weight loss and getting healthy. What are you gonna do turn into a gym rat for two months. I don't even want to turn into a general. I really think. Even if i don't go to the gym if i eat right And like try to hugh my body from the inside out. I don't think it will roll. I don't think can reverse pcs but it can definitely lessen the symptoms. I think you know just being very mindful of the things. I'm putting into my body and endings also because of social media. Everyone can relate to the fact that you want the instant gratification of i want to wake up and like look more like this or whatever and you have to put in the work permit and it's not you're not gonna notice an immediate difference right tomorrow and was time like i mean. I went to that gym. I was working out five times a week and driving an hour out of my way to get this workout in. Because i knew i would burn x amount of calories and then on top of eating right. Why am i fluctuate. Like i think in a total like process. I'm i don't really think maybe a pound or two. I don't even think i lost that. I don't remember what i remember. Just feeling so defeated like what is going on. but i never connected the dots until now like the diagnose. Everything makes sense everything. I hope that when people listen to this episode and listen to someone who is as followed as you And does have these types of struggles real life struggles some for real life people every single day and you're a real life person. I hope that They think about going on your instagram and putting those types of comments because people don't understand how one comment like that is so hurtful in the nafta see over and over and over again just magnifies the issue and it's a huge problem with society. It's a huge Social media can be so great but it's also so hurtful and so damaging and so many different ways that Look at how successful you are and how far you've come and then you have to be beat down every single day anytime you post something well and it was hard to when i didn't know and then it's even harder when not all these months what's been like has been like two months kristen since i found out roughly two months or even like two months since we started trying to figure it out either way it was. It was hard. When i didn't know but i didn't really connect the dots too much. It was just like okay. I'm beating myself up over what i'm doing and then i get the diagnosis and now i'm not only suffering in silence being quiet about it because i didn't want to say anything until you know i was feeling ready for it but now i'm also getting comments. I mean still and suffering in silence not saying anything about why can't lose weight or ryan bigger or why people are you got you got worked on or you've gained weight or you. Just you look really different. And it's like. I'm fully aware of the weight gain. So just call it like you see. Don't get anything at all But yeah it's been. It's been a rough little ride. I for this little period of my life but i want to get it under control and they want to focus on that. And that's what i'm gonna do in the next several months. I'm proud of you for sharing your journey with us. It's really brave and For everyone who's listening. Make sure that you guys tune in what will this probably be like last episode of teen mom two something similar to the season of teen mom two and you guys will see behind the scene footage of this and we're just so thankful for our listeners for encouraging kill to take care of herself go in see her doctor and again. This is Not medical advice and any way the suggest her sharing her story And also just about all being said if you know something is wrong with your body. Listen to it. If you even think that some you know what. I mean something could be wrong because it's better to know and to be able to take care of it then suffering again in silence because you also were suffering in silence by not doing anything. Yeah i agree because it was still on my mind. Even though i didn't want to know what the time so. I think that's all for today. If you guys have any questions that kill maybe can answer. Maybe we can do something in a story no medical advice but just maybe her experience with it. That was not covered Or if you wanna share your stories then you can either call in. We have a number on her instagram. Or you can send us a dm. Of course if you have not follow us on at coffee congress podcast. You can do that on instagram. 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The Leavenworth 7

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The Leavenworth 7

"You are listening to gangland wire hosted by former Kansas City police intelligence unit detective Jerry. Welcome while you are out there. I'm here in the studio gang. Lenoir have a special guest today. Kenneth La- master. I will let him introduce himself. But just before that. Don't forget to hit me up on your Vin Moab Cup of coffee or a shot and a beer helps support the podcast. And and if you don't have the Vin Mo- APP why go to my donation page and you know of added some new Rewards for making a twenty five dollars donation Asian. Now we'll give you a gift certificate to get a kindle version of my book leaving Vegas Out. FBI wiretaps mob domination of Las Vegas Casinos or my my new movie. Brothers against brothers The Sevilla Spiro War. And then had the old standby gangland wire so without any more commercial breaks. Let's let's introduce Kenneth Master. Welcome candidates really Great Abbey here. It's absolute pleasure to be here so Kenneth You wrote a book. The title of the book is Let me get this down. That's a that's a mouthful you WANNA say tattle your book. The part of the book is Leavenworth. Seven deadly 1931 prison break and that Nets an interesting prison break folks folks. That was a lot of the the roving gangs of bank robbers in the Nineteen Thirties. Broke out what two or three different prisons I believe at the time Sometime in the neck those two or three years of mining clad broke some people out down in Huntsville or Eastham prison farm and much. These guys broke Gavin Leavenworth and they went on to bank robbing spree and ended up in the big shootout up. Little Bohemia did podcastone dillinger at little bohemia showdown but Gareth. Let's Ah Delo weren't average out there a little bit about your history of kind of interesting history any nap with your even a prison guard up there in Leavenworth for quite some time correct. That is correct. Correct I I always tell people that I did life on the installment plan eight hours at a time. I started out my career as a correctional specialist in the US Army. I served at Fort Leavenworth military prison. There towards the end of my first three years in the military met this little girl and fell in love and we got married and I decided I was going to spend my time in Kansas so I went to work for the Kansas State penitentiary when it was still the Kansas state penitentiary and little all over a year and after that I went to work at the United States Penitentiary Leavenworth and worked there for twenty seven years. So from nineteen seventy nine two thousand ten when I served as a correctional professional. Wow you use all of our mobsters go through there from down here in Kansas City. Didn't you a lot of acquaintances for EH. Not only the Kansas City mob mob all over the country. I've John Stand for work for me for about eight years. Really new Tuffy to Luna had conversations with Russell Bufalino about what they did with Jimmy Hoffa interesting interesting. That's really topical right now. Yeah I guess. You've seen the Irishman. I saw the Irishman. And I gotta say that Joe Pass. She does an excellent Russell Buffalo. No Hair Dad's folks from a man who actually they knows Russell Move Lino and interacted with him over a period of time. We'll give Joe Patchy thumbs up for his His portrayal love the the famous mob. Boss from he was from Pennsylvania New York upstate. Pennsylvania is like it's hard to put put a particular city like Gaudy New York Knicks Belen and Kansas City. Tony ACCARDO and Chicago. Those guys you now. Buffalo Lino have the I guess. Northern Pennsylvania Stanford had the southern part of Pennsylvania. Okay Yeah Philadelphia Area and all that mess. That happened down there and racing. Entertainment may have to come back and do some more shows on on those guys time and crew. Yeah I'LL BET and one quick question is like we've seen in the movies. Do they get some of their own food and liked to cook their own Back in cell block where they all kind of have will be housed in an that. Same kind of general vicinity tier of a wing or something. They actually do house them. Pretty much basically close together and back back. When I first started leavenworth they had a in diesel house? It was called the old man's wing and all the older mobsters Russell. Buffa Lino Tito from Mira. Henry Borelli all of those guys were living in the cell house but they were living on the lower galleries and the rest of the top galleries. Respod Bod- Gallery side by the city walk and a half long and the younger guys were upstairs. They were just regular everyday run of the mill criminals but the the mafia pretty much held at down. Downstairs Christiaan divvied. It was part of the French connection. Oh Yeah Crew New York and on up to Montreal. Yeah and he was. He was there at the time. And I know some of your listeners may know who Phil Garrido was Familiar with that was the guy a couple of years ago that was found holding a woman out in his backyard in Vegas and his wife and him were. His wife was kind of strange Doug herself but they were holding a young girl out in the backyard and had a child was out in makeshift. Shed you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember that he was he was there at the institution at the time. Interesting seen some interesting people corrections is one of those jobs that you see something every day that Mexico. Yeah I know. We've got our friend from David who was a guard at Marian that has a is not podcast is more like a youtube podcast. He does a youtube videos and tell stories out of Marion Penitentiary So it's called as a key returns you guys. If you haven't ever taken look at as a key turns on Youtube you take a look at them those stories. He's been on here. He's a guy that he told us a story about when John Gotti I. I hit the cell block at Marian. He was one of the guards he said he said the man's lined up but like it was the king was coming in and and really gave him huge respect until the end and what that beat him so bad it almost guilty John Stanford was the same way when he got. The Leavenworth has the his. The following was quite really well quite well. And I mean you've got figureheads like that with the Mafia they you've got a crew. That actually walks walks around them. Protects them keeps them from getting beat on. Yeah most of the other inmates no they. They're not messing with those guys mess with them interesting. Well some things. Sometimes that life does imitate art. Maybe art looked at life and and then created in the movies. Sometimes I mean looking at the Irishman when I was like I I've seen that before kind of how people relate to each other. Oh Yeah respect this kind of you know the the the higher up you go the better it is what it that way so you also were the historian effort. Leavenworth correct. I I I I kind of got that job by the fault I had A. I've amassed over the course of my career probably three or four four thousand photographs of the military prison and the US Benetton uniforms badges. But I've probably got the got it somewhere in a box somewhere and done a lot of reading nurse including mine my two books on the penitentiary. Lovemore seven the. US Penitentiary Leavenworth. I've I know of about thirty three books that are written. It have some type of story line that deals with Leavenworth. Wow So let's talk about your most recent book first of all you. You mentioned that other book talk. Just just tell folks a little bit what that's about it and how they can get it. It's it's more of a picture book. It's I'm one of these kind of I. Don't jump in the middle of the pool. I kind of stick Matola into sea order like I understand and the first three books I wrote were basically photographic histories since I it was at the US or the penitentiary for twenty seven years. I wrote a pictorial history of the federal prison through Arcadia Publishing and then did a book On Fort Leavenworth goes I was stationed there and then a book on the city eleven worth and the development of the city of Leavenworth in its early stages. And they've draw a lot of interest in the Federal Prison Book. USB Leavenworth has brought a lot of interest from a lot of different people throughout the United States it's carries on from the very earliest beginnings of the institution all the way through the modern era of corrections that tells the development of the institution itution White was developed. Who always there? I've got pictures of the bird. Man and Carl paying Ram Frank Nash. Frank Nitty cool. So how would person get those books. They're all on Amazon. They're all on Amazon They can Do you have other pates. Can they just hired Kenneth the master if they put them master okay and the search engine of their little old computers at home. They'll find out more about me than I know about myself and then just go to Amazon Lincoln. Of course we'll go. You'll find the podcast. Once it goes up to but Just go to the Amazon Lincoln. And you'll oh find out those books so let's talk about your most recent book. The Leavenworth seven the deadly nineteen thirty. One prison break ended. That come about the escape actually took about three years to master minded. pull off the crew. That was actually broken out. Seven of them. The four of those guys. We're members of Frank Nashes crew. The man who was killed at Union station massacre and most people don't realize it Frank Nash mostly as they know about the union station massacre. But he really know very little about Frank Nash. Nash was a mastermind. His father ran hotels in Bartlesville Oklahoma and he had uncanny ability to talk to people uncanny ability and he could schmooze his way. He actually talked his way out of the Oklahoma territorial prison three separate occasions one occasion. I'll join the army okay. They let him join the army. He actually fought World War One. Second time. I've got some business to take care of Bartlesville. I'll go ahead. You're okay and he would his personality was he could win over. Just just about anybody and Frank Nash. When he was Ed McAlister had became friends with Al Spencer L.? Spencer was a territorial cowboy that fashion himself after Jesse James and the media had followed him for quite some time until they just kind of realized that. Hey this guy's pulling off bank robberies. But he's pulling off robberies that are only netting twenty five bucks seventeen dollars just just odd pennies and nickels. Title's off of what the Henry stores and everybody else was fallen off at the time and it started kind of making fun of him. While Spencer decided he was going to leave an indelible billable mark in the history of Oklahoma and decided he was going to rob a train Jesse James E was going back to Jesse James and Frank Nash. Rush being the masterminded he was he was L. Spencer's lieutenant in his crew. He went out and surveyed. What they could rob Bob and they wound up rob indicate limited the MCAT railroad in O'Keefe's Oklahoma which in itself would wind up being the last armed train robbery in the history of Oklahoma and when they pulled his arm train robbery off half the crew had never pulled off an arm train robbery and her life life had one guy grover cdl which was one of the seven was broke out? He smashed the firemen in the in the engine. Ad Within Frank Nash. The whole time robberies going off frank national standard talk in politics and calm cool collected and national figure it out we rob this and he told the guys when they robbed a strain leave the federal bonds alone. We could get our way out of mcallister. We'd get our way the the situation in Oklahoma but if you touch the federal bonds to run this train we can't get ourselves out of the Federal Prison Well L. Spencer decided he was just GonNa take it all. He took everything off the train including federal bonds and all the guys were caught within a short period period of time. So that's what got the feds and they ended up in Leavenworth and that's how they ended up in Leavenworth. And when I got the Leavenworth Frank Nash. Storage shortage SMOOTHENS schmoozing himself away around the institution. Yeah he knows that game. He knows how to play the game. I know another guy that did that. If a Marian he knew how to play that Game Hey and he talked himself into a job that was a sweet as it can be. He was the head Cook in Deputy Wardens House out on the front lawn of the institution. Yeah I've seen that house and he did the interesting bull enough. His Assistant Cook was Frank. Nitty really well. Oh Frank Nash. One afternoon decides to he goes out to the front gate of the prison tells the altar. He's got a party to cook for down at the deputy warden sales force they they let him out. He goes down to the House about nine thirty. They call up the house and said Hey. Nash has got to get back over here for the ten o'clock count nationally. Been in over here all day. And he's gone and the same way with The couple of other crew that helped Nash masterminded reminded escape. Was Thomas. James Holden and Francis Keating they were put in Leavenworth for Robin Evergreen Park Mail train in Evergreen Park Illinois and they'd actually got away with the robbery of the train for over two years and another crew pulled off the the exact same style robbery using all of the techniques that Keating Holden abused they pull his train robbery the off they get caught the FBI figures out who pulled off the initial train robbery. So they send that crew plus Holden and Keating the Leavenworth breath holding and Keating get involevment. They make friends with a guy by the name of George Machine Gun. Kelly really machine gun. Kelly was a little bit of. I'm an educated man had grown up in the upper middle class section of Memphis Tennessee and he is working in the records office well. UNBEKNOWNST to a lot of people at in the institution George Machine Gun Kelly dumbing passes for inmates nights trustees past work outside the walls the institution. He Dummies two passes for Francis. Kaeding and Thomas Holden they get outside the penitentiary pantry. They walk off so they're gone keady holding Meet with Frank Nash in Cicero Illinois. They've got an inside man that is helping with the plot. They've got a correctional officer that is smuggling communications in in and out of the institution they get word to them at Cicero Illinois. Put The ball forward and they start drumming up this plan to help these guys get out of the institution. Well did they. Were able to get some guns inside the institution in this one too. I noticed down in eastern Oklahoma summit at Huntsville with Bonnie Clyde prison break they smuggle a gun in there to where the work crew could find the gun. Did they did the same thing that they actually Part of the plan was is the guy started watching and paying attention inside to the routine the worst thing in the world that you could do in prison is set a routine. Yeah because inmates. They're they're twenty four hours a day seven days a week they can watch you and figure out what your routine is. You don't ever want to do the same thing two or three times in a row because they know what it is so they started started watching what was going on. They used the business office in the Federal Prison Industries and they ordered a barrel shoe paste because the shoe shoe factory which manufactured at that time all of the shoes at the military were they were inside walls of the institution while they order a barrel shoop pays from the company that The institutional racism from May pick it up hollowed out on the inside put a cachet. They have weapons to include six pistols six rifle one hundred seventeen blasting cap seventeen sticks of dynamite and one hundred hundred feet of blasting chord into an inner tube and sinking into this barrel. A shoe paste man paint it the color that the federal prison recognizes big noses. Yeah and they ship it into the institution that's amazing and once they got the weapons inside the institution they'd be. The biggest plot killer for the escape was frank. Nash and his crew Machine Gun. Kelly and Thomas James Holden Francis Keating had pulled up and and did a robbery of north met resulted in the death of the Bank President Sun and and Charlie Harman and they called. They got news to them and to them. It's ideas tuition telling them. Hey you know if you go. Oh Wow that day. You're on your own. There were hot for X.. Men Shot. We're not going to be down near the plan. was they. Were GonNA pull up in front of the institution with two separate cars that were manned with police radios for clothes for the guy's money for him to get out of the get out of town and that plan. Dan dissolved once. My Bank robbery went to pieces and so they were robbing a bank so that has some cash when they got down for the prison break and once you know in these small towns like this back in those days the the word went out especially if there was a murder lack that the word went out all the little towns around were were on the look. They're probably had a car description at least in and certainly weren't that many cars travelling around any on on the the more through roads. Once did a bonding. Clyde Tori taken. Some of the roads that they talked about them taking like one sixty nine and sixty nine murders or secondary roads now but those are the kinds of some of the only through road roads to get some of these places back in the thirties and and especially if it rain you know those other Rosier Metro. You're getting through them so these local policemen that they'll be looking out for any kind of a car that comes anywhere close and has people that don't really belong at in the country. So yeah they would have been hot. Yeah they so they were on the run and I always tell people from the this escape started falling apart because they picked the worth ward in the world ever take hostage. Yeah they took a guy with name of Thomas Bruce White Thomas Bruce White I grew up in Texas. His father author was a County sheriff and he grew up watching his dad in law enforcement forever and he and his brothers became became members of the Texas Rangers and he was a Texas Ranger for almost ten years became a railroad detective from a railroad detective decides ads in one thousand nine hundred eighteen. He's going to join the. US military and fight in World War One any pay flunks a physical and this guy blame of J. Edgar Hoover come calling and he says hey you know you're kind of the type of guy we're looking forward to form is agency called the Bureau of Investigation. And he him and his brother was. Actually what are the very first F. B. I.. Agents ever hired for the Bureau of Investigation would turn into the FBI on this was a guy who was was awarded. And and this was not just some bureaucrat. That had come up through you know as a good typist in in a connected to some politicians and then got promoted motive in the prison. Industry is what he's saying. Is that girl yeah he he was a very smart individual and and and tough to tough can. How did it go down today? In what what was kind of the overall plan. I guess the overall plan was to take the warden hostage force opened the gate. Well going back to. You don't want to set a routine. What are the things that that Thomas Bruce wight did every morning around? Nine o'clock after the institution. Stop Serving Breakfast and at that point in time one of the things. Everybody's kind of always ask that question. Well it takes three years develops escape. How did they get caught well? Back in the prohibition era when you've got all these gangsters running around you got bootleggers running around. You've got all these laws that the Harrison Narcotics Actors New prohibition is new The interstate transportation stolen vehicles becomes a federal crime. So you're talking about going. From an institution was originally designed to hold fifteen hundred inmates. During nineteen twenties their population was forty. Five hundred allows allows it was double neighbor gobbled up and they had they had inmates everywhere down to and it became a you know a lot of people take a look at the Birdman of Alcatraz and I think we'll just how does a guy maintain a bird aviary inside the walls of a federal prison. Yeah well it was sort of one of those things that they had so many inmates that they were kind of giving them something to do. It's kind of like the OUTTA sight Outta mind if we give you something to do. You're not creating havoc or chaos. So and that's how that works but they had Taken three years to the mastermind. This get anything and everything in and out and get it all set and older born December eleventh nineteen thirty one. Seven inmates put to escape plan to emotion lay lay a pretty well had to run at the inside of the prison. Sounds to me like these guys. Oh yeah a lot of those guys. They worked in and they used force passes to obtain access to what we call the recorder. The if you take a look at pictures of Leavenworth the institution the administration building is out. Front you come in the front door of the institution you pass through three grills now back then there was only two and you would get Access into the institutional the institution has a central Rotunda sorta like the Congressional building in Washington. DC and you walk down a long hallway and at the end of that hallway if you go straight back you've got the dining room on one side the auditorium on the other and you've got two exits one goes towards the west side of the institution one goes towards the east side of the institution to get you access outside while the inmates get up the rear quarter which is on the east side where they're coming from present. These two phony passes to the correctional officers there and lay get access at nearly take him hostage immediately. They've got the guns that got alll the dynamite and they had taken they've got the dynamite the weapons in the institution about three days before that and they had taken a dynamite and actually sweated nitroglycerine. LIZ run out of it by cooking it and put it on a bottle so they got into the main institution and warden was holding conferences. That morning with inmates. It's a hold meetings every morning then mates so used as they were. They knew inmates Rabin coming and going from the win and they knew exactly where he was going to be at any given time and the guy sitting at the desk talking to Frank. Tom White at the time was Fred Barker Mall Barker's a a New Year and the get up to the warden's office get inside the warden's office and they start throwing down and they even took it may toss stage judge. They took the inmates hostage. All the Staff Hostage Palm White Heard Commotion Going on outside its office. First thing he did was he took his car keys out of his pocket. The one hundred eighth his desk and cover them up of the rug and they come in forced him out of the office forced him towards the front door. Will they get to the front door. The institution Anders. This older correction officer and they look at him and tell him open the door and he says might open the door. There's only one man in the world to order me to open this door. And that's the word himself and one of them pulls up a stick dynamite lights a match and he tells me so so. You're not open this door I'm gonNA blow. All the hell. Correctional Officer looks at them. insys domino old man. We'll see each other and hell man as a deaf. Oh bird there and white kind of seeing the situation as it was as if they blow up the front end of the institution because a larger escape so he kind of prevails. Calmer heads I guess and tells the officer said look just open the door let us go out front door. Yeah and and we'll we'll deal with it from there and they start out the front door they've got all these hostages got eleven hostages Dodie they force their way out the door and the officers up in tower there was a main tower that sets out front of Leavenworth and at that time there was a cat walk around the tower one of the officers recognizes. What's going on at the moment? What they step out on the Front Portico of the institution and he jumps up and rips the canvas off of a One thousand nine hundred nineteen seventeen belt fed. Yeah I was GONNA say Browning rounding machine gun he would have been armed with at least be ours up there but they had a bad mouthing grounded. Wow and he pulls a canvasback awards like Hayes. Let's let's think about what's going on a minute wait a minute. I'm down there. So they get down to the bottom of the stairs and they grab white start across the front lawn with him towards warden's house which at that point time was on the front lawn of the tuition. They they start out over the the lawn and the guy in the armory opens fire on them late. Start to return fire and whitest once again. He he tells them. Hey you you know. Let's think about what we're doing here we've got you know houses across the street and really innocent people doing whatever and they got all the way to the warden's house jump in his garage. They jump in his car and the inmates. Say where's the keys. I left them in my office. Ah well now it becomes a free for all. They have nobody to blame themselves on that one and they jump out of the car and once they get out of the car as soon as they get out of the car. The powerhouse whistle muscle starts blowing. Yeah you could say they every institution. Every institution has a whistle that alerts the staff that are not on duty method trouble at the institution. You need responded institution less the town around because it's built right you know practically in the town. Oh yeah townspeople note. Hey there's escape so late. They run towards Metropolitan Avenue. Which is the street that runs in front of the institution and at that point in time? Missile how desperate guys can be. There used to be a bus stop right there. They're actually contemplating. Hey we need to jump as bus and taking hostage to get out of town and one of them recognized. How's the car going East metropolitan and they jump out in front of the car? which was a group of Buffalo soldiers from Fort Leavenworth? They were coming back from rabbit hunt so they force them out of the car and well now we have more weapons and ammunition. We have more you know more of everything so they spend in the car around the head out west and ask the warden. What's the quickest way out of here? And he tells them. Well he's if you follow the you take right up here in follow the highway out. You'll be in Kansas within about twenty thirty minutes. You go across the bridge get on the back roads and nobody ever know where you're at or whatever get over to Missouri from there and the the guy that was driving a car was a relatively new inmate to the institution by the name of Charlie Berta Out San Francisco and he looks at the warden and he says you're lying. Well this is where everything goes crazy. Because the previous month was a record month for rain and freezing and thawing so they wind up believe in the pavement. Turn It on the twentieth and metropolitan into a into a mud road. But Barry's got eight people in a car. You're not going anywhere those skinny tires and cars. You're not going anywhere and they actually bury the car. Rei Mud and roll it over boy and they get out of the car and they take off running up the street. And it's it's just almost like a keystone cops type. They are running up the street trying to find cars to steal and one of the authors that was responding to the institution. They actually jumped him and took his car threw him out on the curb and took off West of town and while there. I'm and we're talking back country roads back then and befuddled Laden and their bogging down. Will they get out to a place called possum hollow which is just you know every little ever. We're a little portion of town back then had its own little name jazzy. Valley we at the Tennessee Valley foams of Boston Mahler and they get out there. And there's this little one room schoolhouse called a possum hollow school and they say this Carson out frontal they're gonNA steal it to break up the amount of people that are in cars. I will get into school terrorizing kids. The kids are all screaming and everything and one of the guys runs up and he grabs a schoolteachers purse. And says give me the keys to call her out there and the teacher looks at them. So I'm just a schoolteacher. That car is all. I've really got started battering back and forth over a purse and keys. And she's give me back my purse and he's give me my keys. GimMe Back my first. You've keys she's I'll give you the keys. Give me back my purse so and get up in front stick. The keys and ignition of the car turned a car. Nothing happens will. The teacher had problems with the car. So they'd actually actually push a push button. Start up underneath the dash where she can push a button to start power yeah. They didn't know that so they abandoned that car. Jump in the back in the car and back out of the highway they go and about a mile or so down the road. They thought they were turning into a another road and they were actually turned into into a back lot drive to a farm and they just as soon as they turned into they buried the car. All the way up to the axles and now they're caught again now now it reminded was machine gun Kelly out there with these guys machine guns killing 'em from the inside. But he actually helped Thomas Dreams over to Francis Keating get out and they actually released machine gun Kelly for good conduct early from a two year sentence that he was doing for smuggling alcohol on an Indian reservation. Version Oklahoma say. He was better to wait for that. He probably knew he was a shorttimer so he didn't go along on that but he did and he was already out at that point in time he was he actually helped him smuggled weapons the weapons in interesting he was looking for for recruits freeze bank robbing crew probably got free. Oh Yeah and a lot of those guys you take take a look at the makeup of some of those cruise. The Mall Barker Gang Machine Gun Kelly Gang Frank Mash gang the Thomas Old Gang A lot of those gangs back them. They inner worked with a lot of each other. They knew each other. I noticed that and anyway they they get out there. They take the whole family hostage. Well by this time. You've got everybody that could carry a gun in all these guys and they've even got airplanes up in the air from Fort Leavenworth. The military prison at Fort Leavenworth at that point in time was what was called the Federal Prison Annex. Everybody kind of gets a little bit confused when you talk about the military prison and penitentiary. They're two separate titians about three miles apart and twice during that military prisons history. It's been part of the. US prison system. It was actually the home of the very first federal prison in Leavenworth. I opened and the inmates from that institution built the current day Federal Prison March and back and forth three miles every day and the military prison hasn't had been turned over again to the Federal Bureau. Prisons because of a riot occurred at Leavenworth in August of nineteen thirty because of the overcrowded conditions and poor. Four everything was going on in the institution at the time so they reopened it to kind of relieve the overcrowding situation in that prison the officers from the military or the military prison responded over to the Federal Prison and two companies of soldiers actually responded to the institution itself Lil wants. Those inmates got out the front door. It was mere chaos institution. Inmates were inmates knew what was going on and they decided that they were going to and kind of be a little bit. Some of them were kind of Passive about what they were doing. Some of them were even more a little bit more. Active in almost sheer right was breaking out inside the institution so they they decided that. Hey you know what we're going to send to companies soldiers inside the walls the institution and once they end made Satan two full companies soldiers coming inside the institution with weapons and loaded for bear. They were kind of like we don't want nothing to do with that so they hey doll. March back to their cells. Got Him locked up and the manhunt was on and everything from the city. Police to the county sheriff's to anybody had to carry a gun and knew the terrain then had already notified the FBI in Kansas City the FBI and the kind of misunderstood facts facts about the FBI was is that they didn't actually carry guns until after Frank Mash Killing Union station and that's actually inaccurate. You're at the FBI agents could carry guns and be armed. The only thing that they had to do was is when they went into a municipality say they came from Kansas City to Leavenworth they had to notify the authorities that they were actually FBI and they were carrying guns and get the approval the nave from the local authorities to whether they could carry or your gun inside the municipality so they get out. The inmates are continuing their quest for freedom. And they take the family hostage and everything's going south so they decided they're going to start walking a cow path over to the next farm over in order to get to the closest highway. It's actually paved and and they marked probably about a half a mile over this farm. They take more hostages all the way that their margin over there they got airplanes in her head. They've got guys could see that are approaching from all angles another armed sound like going to have a good ending no invades and and maybe some hostages to and they can out on the league to this farm and they break they break into the farm. Take another family hostage and it was decided decided at that point in time they were gonNA take three people with them out to the highway. They told everybody else to get into the basement. Took these three including a man and a wife and one of their farm workers and they started towards the road and as they're walking towards the road you're seeing the posse which at this time according to the FBI reports and and local newspaper reports and stuff like that numbered anywhere from five hundred thousand. I'll let her on the trail of seven guys so they get out to the highway and of course you know anytime you have a big deal going on anywhere you've got sightseers everybody's out looking for the action. So here comes. This color of sightseers up the road at the little coupe and they stopped his car. Tell them to get out of the car. And it's a couple of kids kids and they're you know they tell them to walk back up the road and don't look back well back. In that era coupes got two seats in the front and what they call a rumbles back back. Yeah and it's there's no way it's going to hold seven individuals running boards though Weld Brennan boards but they needed another cars. Ars what your vehicles vehicle suspensions of a long way since nineteen twenties and thirties so they told three other for the other guys shake out and find another vehicle vehicle. They're gonNA take this one. Yeah well you've got three guys on the warden. Four guys were naturally never standing alongside the road and and those guys the others take off looking for another vehicle. The warden looks up and he sees one of the inmates come up with a thirty ought six rifled imported towards the kids walking back up the road and he took that opportunity. You got three hostages standing there one of them's a female and the whole time on walked across this field award and told him. Hey you know you don't need to do anything of this girl. She's not you know she's not part of this. You don't have to do anything in her her. And whatever and the inmates telling you know you don't have to worry about it because I want to kill you. I don't worry about it so the warden kind of concerned about the situation with a female and the other two hostages reach up and grabs one of the inmates that has a shotgun and get an struggle over a shotgun and he had made hollers hours. He's trying to get the gun. We'll eaten toward haller's hostages to run and the inmate with thirty ought six walks up behind him. Hits Him in the back of the head and he let's go with a shotgun and the inmate with a shotgun turns around and load both barrels into the warden and blows him into a ditch. Well now they think they've killed the warden. Yeah so they jump in the car all four of them they take off his. They're taking off. Here comes the warden sedan up over the top of the hill side with three correctional officers and a deputy warden inside the car. And you've got county sheriff that is headed headed in their direction and this is the middle of highway ninety two in Leavenworth. They actually engage in a gun battle or these guys are. The inmates have got thirty ought sixes and pistols and shotguns. Well they're getting shot at by five people that have Thompson Forty five caliber machine guns. I got and they actually struck the car and hit and it made by the name of we'll green was one of the escapee's hit him in the head and actually tell you how her hardheaded he was. The bullet didn't penetrate his head but it actually fractured skull so they wind up. They think they're going to get off the road into another another Back Road and they turn into the driveway of a home and here we are again mud and they bury this coupe. All all the way up to the axles and they get out and they start running towards US House more hostages. Only guy in this house believe it or not was seventy three year old farmer banana. Ms Emerson Salisbury Oldbury. And he looks sees these guys coming and he says Yup Hutton fellows and they said no. We're the we're the hunted. And they put him in. The House. alson started looking for additional weapons and trying to figure out a way out will one of them on the way up the oldest made out of the crew grover to real had told them you know we get up at House. We're not getting out of it. You might if I shake out and try to find my own way and it's like you know go do what you gotta do on. And then grow received realm got out on his own. And you've got three inmates in the house for about the next three and a half hours this house is literally bombarded with POSSE member shooting in the house. They shot tear gas into the house. Inmates are shooting back. Emerson Salisbury Seventy thirty. Three years old is in the House and he stuck and he even actually went up on the top floor of the house into the attic and started waving a white a handkerchief and they actually started shooting so you know he finally decided. Hey this is my chance. Yeah there's no prisoners in that deal so he actually slid down the way they describe it. There is a The I'm not even exactly sure how to even describe it for your listeners. He just it actually slid down a chute and went out the front door. At least three inmates were stuck in the house and there was no way out they knew there. There was no way out and from what the coroner's report read. Two of. The inmates suffered gunshot wounds one behind the left ear. One behind a writer and to the right temple. KUDA MAS like I said no prisoners in this deal here. Well that's a hell of a story you know kind of running low on time folks. You need to get this book. I as you can tell all this is one hell of a story. That's a good read and find out exactly what happened in the end. Is there any any last things you want him to look for that book and one of the things things. This book kind of describes a and it's been well received through the correctional community throughout the United States One of the if you go to Amazon and you read the comment that the guy put on there. It's actually refreshing to read a book that was written by somebody that actually worked in prison environment. Yeah instead of somebody money that writes a book about prisons. That doesn't know anything he knows about it now. It gives you the inner workings of how prisons work and it shows you how the inner workings escape will actually Take time to do how they get things in. And out of the institution how they communicate inside now the institution it'll give you the framework Of all of the characters in the book how they managed wind up in the federal prison system. Frank Nash and his crew. Neil KEESA train robbery. Thomas strangehold and Frank Francis Keating Machine Gun Kelly how they wound up after the escape some of going to Alcatraz the outcome of how they all their lives ended and how they some of them became outstanding citizen. Some of never became anything other than an inmate's enter dead or dead and Thomas James Holden actually most people don't he's not an everyday name in in criminal circles goals in today's society. Most people don't realize Thomas James hold and actually would become the very first man of replaced. FBI's most wanted list really his notoriety. As being a bad guy was well documented and Charlie Berta the driver of the car he would actually be sent to Alcatraz contrast and he was actually the last man ever to be placed in what they call the Dutch unit Alcatraz because he was such a malcontent. He he finally gets out of prison and becomes a bartender in a bar in his hometown of San Francisco where he can look out the front door the bar and see al Astra and but the whole story behind itself and how they actually purchased the barrel shoe wax and how they purchased a weapons and everything was all brought out of When I started getting interested in this book back when I first started work at a prison I started collecting anything and everything I could find about this escape which included newspaper articles? I've got pictures from the actual of the Escape Deep Network Hers News Agency photographs that I purchased through Ebay. I got this idea that you know. Hey maybe I should call the FBI guy and send them a four year request and see exactly what they send me. When you're thinking about escape that occurred eighty years prior and you're thinking well the F. B. is probably got one or two pages on it and they'll or they'll tell me Your Adalah and might did you get well? I get this letter and they tell me we're sending you were sending you pages. How much is it GONNA cost? I believe it or not. The only cost me sixty dollars. You Got Lucky. Well they cost me sixty bucks and the FBI. I got I got five envelopes. The contain twenty five hundred pages now and the box and a To compact disc of additional down pages that was amazing. They even the the investigation and some of the things. I wasn't able to because when you write a book if you're all we're ever thinking about writing a book there's things that are part heart of the book and there's things that are not part of the book and I had to decide to leave some of the some of the things out of the book that were not consequential to the escape the the actual outcome of it There were instances where they thought that the Kansas City Mafia had actually finance part of the escape. uh-huh help purchase the weapons and stuff. That didn't pan out all those leads. If all those leads that they followed down a rabbit hole that really don't pan out big investigation lack that the phones start ringing. You start rattling your informants out there and they write down everything and so he'll have a story they wanNA tell and if if interesting if anybody after ever wants to really just find out you know when you sit here and listen to Senate confirmation hearings and and these these guys talk about you know we do a form thirty two and and and we do this and and we. We don't do that. We get yourself I I did get yourself some. FBI files and see exactly how an FBI investigation works and it's amazing what you find in another thing here of two. I'll give a plug to the guys at the National Archives and Records Administration here in Kansas. City they're helpful. They're they're an amazing group individuals to work with and I've worked with many times and the inmate files for Leavenworth or actually on filed with the National Archives here in Kansas City. Devil pershing pershing road and the I went down there. 'cause I asked him I said so. Do you have the court case for when these is guys were tried for escape and they got back with me and said well you know as a matter of fact yes we do. Yeah they've got is amazing what they have and I went down to the National Archives that day. They brought the pile up from caves in Kansas City. Yeah and I was going through the court case and they actually had they except for the weapons opens. They had all of the evidence. Rally that's unusual there to find well as the evidence or anything. I was actually blown away at the fact that they had the they had. The original forged passes that the that the inmates had used to get into the main quarterly institution. They had the hotel tale registry from the Hotel in Cicero Illinois. That Frank Thomas Holden when Francis Keating and all them had Stayed in and I was looking at the registry. They were there several times while the FBI'd ahead of description and Eric how they figured out who the radius were and had pointed out where they had signed under aliases in the in the hotel. And when I was going through there I noticed that Frank Nashes alias was written underneath the name of billy for Shit Tale really and I really I really kinda found that really kind of interesting and that was one of one of the page that I included in the and a book was the fact that you know. Here you've got frank. Nash and crew masterminded an escape. They would actually lead to a very similar escape of the diller crew out of the Michigan City prison in Indiana. And I'm like you know is the ray connection between Green Evelyn for Shit being in the hotel at the same time. Yeah I probably was dull could have been there at that time. How helping them with the planned land so interesting entry? This has been great Ken this has been great. So we'll You know how to go out and find his book and and you're GonNa get a lot of bonuses in that that book and the documents and that he researched in photos and everything and his other book about Leavenworth Prison Acadia Book. It's more of a picture picture picture history of of Leavenworth and just go just go to Amazon and search the name Kenneth Lay master L. A. M. A. S. I T E R and we're GONNA wind on down here folks if you have a friend or relative has a problem with drugs or alcohol make your first call first call call late one six three six one fifty nine hundred or go to their website. WWW DOT I call casey dot org and if you want to find any mind material go to my right website. WWW dot gangland wired dot com. You'll find my most recent movie brothers against brothers. This avella Spiro. War Did a lot of reenactments in this movie more than I did not in the last one at a lot of fun doing those during one of our local kind of Irish pub kind of a bar. 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A Democrat the crap and to the manager of a winter bind company there and the traveling drive for dominance in Silicon Valley with Mike. Is it also superpower. The battle for Uber. Welcome to the program. Everyone I'm Christiane Amanpour in New York with with only six hundred dead now and tens of thousands infected the Wuhan Corona virus shows no signs of slowing down and while the Chinese unease imposed severe quarantine restrictions. The disease makes it onto the cover of Time magazine as posing a major challenge to the government of President Xi Jingping thing today as the UK confirms its third case of the corona virus infection. The Chinese ambassador there had this message for Britain and the world. I hope that the governments of all countries including the UK should understand and support. China's efforts respect the professional advice of new age. A boy ogre reaction a boy boy creating panic and ensure the normal cooperation and exchanges between countries so with China a bit defensive. They're just how dangerous is this threat. So Jeremy Farah is a global expert on infectious disease and he's also director of the wellcome trust which which is one of the world's leading providers of non-governmental funding for biomedical research. And he's joining me now from London. Welcome to the program can I. Can I just start by us. New due to react as a medical researcher to the obvious plea by the Chinese ambassador who clearly feels you know the country's under siege. Yeah I've got a lot of sympathy for what he's saying. I mean we all know this started in the city of hand in in China But this this is not just a Chinese problem now and and Actually Federal Dr Federal said from. Who a couple of days ago. This is a time for solidarity not a time for division it it. It is time for us to work together. This could have started anywhere in truth You know when we face the two thousand nine pandemic The first case was probably they're you you know in Mexico or the United States. So you know we didn't Work against each other then we can work against each other of the now a lot of sympathy for what he was saying. Okay so sympathy for what he's saying. But what about the facts here because I mean look as you know there has been a huge confusion now. Chinese state media reported the death breath of the very young doctor. Thirty four year old doctor when Leong in Wuhan And that was reported on state media and it caused a huge amount of outpouring pouring on Chinese social media. People were very very upset about that so while they sought out the confusing fusion about whether he's dead or alive what might have happened had he not been censured by the Chinese authorities when he actually did go to them with this with this concern Cernan with this evidence in December. Yeah I don't know I don't know him personally but but All my thoughts go out to him and his family me. I desperately hope he Is Still Alive A number of doctors nurses in China and Wuhan itself have died. We know that I lost a lot friends. During SARS in two thousand two and two thousand and three and the bravery of these doctors nurses extraordinary. It's the same with the Bowler in the Democratic Republic Republic Congo It's very difficult to describe what it's like to be in the middle of that I don't know the details of Dr Lee went to the Chinese authorities. I don't you know what he went there saying On you about this on about the twenty ninth or thirtieth of December about the same time that. Who knew about this Since then I have to say that the sharing of information has actually been good or very good And I've not been aware of the Cover up that's gone on that sometimes being accused of. I think it's really important to put it into context when you're a doctor or a nurse or public health person working in this scenario it's chaos Wuhan at the moment is in lock down. The city deserves all our support public transport is closed. Workplaces are closed. The hospitals are absolutely the overwhelmed with patients. they're overwhelmed because they're in the middle of the influenza season as well and it's chaos and on a personal level it's terrifying Dealing with an infection that none of us have seen before Your patients your community. The people you know probably friends of yours coming into the hospital With with moderate and very severe disease and some of them are dying in fact many of dying. That's a really frightening scenario to be in the middle of And I think undoubtedly you could look back a now we can say you know maybe the authorities in China could have handled it better. It's always true when you look back. I think time though is really to look forward and think what's happening in China. What can we learn from that? In North America Europe Africa Africa is real concern for me just because of the okay okay systems and it's going on let me ask you because I I clearly WanNa ask you about Africa because that is a big concern as you've just said but in terms of we need to all look up to the future and now get try to get in front of this spread. How can you actually all the data and the rates of infection? How does one actually you know? Get a handle on it. What what do you need to know in order to be able to get a handle on it? Yeah well we do know a lot more than we did. Two weeks ago We a lot more than we did. A month ago. and and that information is not encouraging in some ways The things you need to know No particular order you need to know how infectious this is an who is passing it from one person to another is it. Children Is it the elderly. Is it people in schools and workplaces How long are they infectious for? Am I if I was to catch this today Would I be infectious tomorrow morning. Would it it being five days time and would I be infectious for another week or ten days. That's really critical information to know We need to know if I were infected today. How many people that I met? Would I give it to is one. Is it two. Is it four Because that tells us a lot about way the way. The epidemic is spreading on the clinical side Is it a symptomatic in some people will some people being infected and have absolutely no symptoms. And if they do will they be infectious during that time. And then those who have symptoms. What symptoms do they have? Is it different to influencers or does it look very similar Is it a sore throat. A headache muscle pains cough And if so which patients will go on to develop more severe disease and what can we do to treat those with sedate disease to try and reduce the number of people that are dying. Do you have any do you have any I do. I do. WH happens in these scenarios. Is you start to get a picture of what's happening and and you have to make decisions big public health decisions. Big Clinical decisions based on relative uncertainty as the weeks. Go on this week competitive last week competitor a month ago we're starting to get a picture so For instance the figure that I mentioned if I had a Curve today how many people would I give it to. I think increasingly. We think that's about between two two and a half three people Let's say it's three We think the infectious period probably lasts between Two and maybe maybe up to ten maybe nine or ten days that's really critical information really important And this may be a clinical bias. That we they haven't been reporting it. they've not been picked up but we've not seen many children We've seen many people under the age of twenty. That's a really important finding and then the finding in this week which is completely unexpected at least to me That we had a child born and within thirty hours was known to be infected. When did that child get infected? When did that baby we get infected? Was it during birth or was earlier prior to birth and again As we learn over the impact on your station and pregnant women is a really important question which we don't have answers today but we all getting some ounces. We we know more or less more about the severity we know more about the infectious period. And we do have a better handle on this famous figure on North. Which is the number of people that I would posit to if I was infected today? What you've just said I think you said let's say it's three right? That are not figure for the sake of argument to two and a half to three but look the. Who itself has said today. We need to bring this virus out into the light so we can attack it properly. So you're saying that we have some more information they're saying we need even more information and you just mentioned Africa. I want to ask ask you how Africa what you expect might happen there and how it might do with it. I mean we're hearing here even in the United States reporters if you look at the newspapers talking about people who are coming back from China you know. Some of them are coming to prescribed airports but then a lot of them are on their own. Some of them are going to military bases to be quarantined. A A lot of them are just being told. Go home. Quarantine yourself if that's happening here in the most developed health system in the world what happens in what you right. They say you know a a place at risk with a not so developed public health system like in Africa. What are the particular challenges there well over the last twenty twenty odd years? There's been a dramatic increase in the in the trade and travel routes between Asia. Not Not just China but actually the across the whole region and and Africa and And that therefore opposes a huge risk. That wasn't Maybe ten or twenty years ago just because of the connectivity now between Asia and an Africa we've done some lovely mapping along with colleagues in the UK and the US just looking at where the cities are most connected to to China and and also to Asia and that's essentially. It's the airport hubs. It's the airport hubs of the Middle East. Since the airport hubs of Kenya of Ethiopia of Nigeria South Africa. It's those cities which most connected by travel to to China. But you're absolutely right. The healthcare systems in many parts of sub Sarah Erica. It's not just sub Saharan Africa. It's also true. In Central and South America Venezuela for instance is really going through a crisis in terms of healthcare at the moment and the implications. John's of this if it were to arrive in Venezuela would-be devastating. I would say though and this is really important. The the the changes in Africa in the the last five years the the setting up Which China has played a critical role in the setting up of the Africa Centre? Disease Control very much modeled in some ways on the the fantastic American. CDC Is there in a way that was just not structure that five years ago and and also in Nigeria. Just call out Dr Chikweya in Nigerian Nigerian. CDC just you know that sort of leadership perhaps was not so evident five years ago and it certainly there today. But you're absolutely right. They're very fragile. Health Systems Diaz has not got rid of evola yet there's malaria of course in Tibet closys and HIV. And we we have no idea how this virus will will go and people who are. HIV positive suggest quickly. What about the idea of a vaccine again seems to be confusion in the public space over that yesterday we reported what seemed to be a break through the British doctor medical research? Such an imperial college had figured out a way to shorten the time to From a couple of years to fourteen days to get a vaccine. Now we're hearing that maybe that's not correct and that it might take even longer. What do you know about this story? And of course that puts more panic in the population as well. Yeah no you're right and I know I know Robin Shostak very well. At imperial is a superb Fact sinologist but I but I think it would be the first to say this is. It's really according to be really clear about about this. We can we can shorten the time vaccine development. We believe but we can't show nick completely. I believe we will if we will be in in phase one trials. That's the first time it goes into managing Through the National Institutes of Health States and here in the UK We will be there in human trials. I believe even March or beginning of April. But that's the first step that's the step to show that it's safe. And it produces an immune response which we hope will protect people about corona virus. We then then have to go through large-scale trials and then have to manufacture it and we don't just have to manufacture it for America or Europe. We have to manufacture for Africa as well and realistically. That's not until the the end of the year into next year if everything goes well and just remind people we don't have a vaccine for a related virus called the common cold so this isn't trivial to do next year. We may have a vaccine public health purposes. I doubt if we'll have on this year. New is very very good to be clear about this in the complexities of it. I just wanted to ask you to collaborate on the sort of knock on effects we know there are. Thousands of patients being quarantined in ships. That too that too Cruise ships off Japan and in Hong Kong. Stay in their room food being brought to them. Sometimes you know it's late and all the rest of it a lot of hardship but even more more more sort of emergency urgency level in Wuhan in the areas around there in China near Wuhan. There's this really heart rending testimony from a lady who can't get get her her daughter to to to take leukemia Treatment she's standing at a checkpoint and barring any movement because of the corona virus virus and yet the other disease cont treated either he had just taken listen. I'm obviously very upset. Because you're examining and treating patients with corona virus but our illness also needs to be examined by Dr Right now as a special time. The small hospitals in our area can't treat her. We just want to go auto big hospital to get her seen by a doctor. I mean as you said Jeremy the the the level of chaos and fear and panic on this level and all these other major diseases. It must be just terrible in the hot zone. It is an I mean that's how heart wrenching to to so listen to that and I think that really brings it home. What this means What a lockdown of a city really means it is about corona virus but it's also about those people blur needing care it's about safe childbirth? It's about people being treated for cancer. As as that Lady's mother was and this puts enormous strains on healthcare systems and and and you know China is actually pretty well developed in its healthcare system. The truth is I think every country would would be really challenged with dealing with anything anything on the scale. We're singing in Wuhan. Africa of course may be disproportionate affected and we must not leave them behind. As I say this is a time for solidarity but the truth is this western Europe Japan. North America and Canada United States All of the countries will will really struggle Particularly if this comes in in the northern hemisphere during the influences when when hospitals are under such additional pressure there isn't very much surge capacity in any country in the world even the most has developed And the critical things we need to do now. Whilst North America Europe Africa is not yet gone. Like China We hope we can avoid that. The decisions we're making. Today we hope will mitigate the worst of this epidemic. But we've got to put in place those plans. We don't need to panic. There's no panic achieves nothing. There's no need to scare people but we do quietly needs put in place the surge capacity in the United States in Europe in Africa and Australia and around the world that we might have to us and we just have to accept if we make the right decisions and prevent this epidemic taking off. They may not be used but there are absolutely critical to plan for today. Same with the vaccine. We may not have a vaccine for year. But it'll be a a year or more from whenever we start and we've got to start that today and the world's gotta come together as it has done and make sure we put all the resources. Money cannot be a limiting factor here. And we've got gotta get this done and we've got to do the planning of the health system to think through the consequences of facing a headlight system like event in New York or London or Paris Oberlin. Well I hope I hope the experts listening to that warning and to that advice suggests Sarah thank you very much. Indeed from the wellcome trust for joining us ever been knocked down. You know suffered a setback. Fired left out it happens. It happens a Mike. Bloomberg middle-class ask kid worked. His Way through college job started a family. Boom fired at thirty nine. Would it. Mike do for a lot of us. Do we got backup dove back back in. 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L. and now we turn to another story with major political ramifications here in the United States. And that is fracking. It is the controversial technique for extracting trapped oil the natural gas and it's a divisive issue in the Democratic presidential campaign. Well Joe Biden and other moderate candidates support a gradual transition away from fracking Senator Bernie Sanders and Warren Call for banning the practice outright in two thousand and twelve. I was very proud that my state of Vermont became became the first state in the nation to ban fracking. Last year Maryland Roland imposed a moratorium on fracking until two thousand seventeen and cities and towns across the nation are doing the same progress is being made but much more needs to be done. I don't have to explain to anyone here that the growing body of evidence tells us that fracking is a danger to our water supply our most precious the resources. It is a danger to the air we leave and can cause lung cancer. It has resulted in more war earthquakes. It is highly explosive and it is contributing to climate change according to a study in key twenty twenty anti swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania hundreds of thousands of workers rely on fracking for their paychecks. So joining me now to two Pennsylvanians in the crosshairs of this debate John Fetterman is the lieutenant governor that as mayor of Braddock Pennsylvania. He earned a national reputation for the fighting to reverse the economic decline in his town and leave and horn comes from the heart of Pennsylvania's coal mining country. And he's now a manager at Avin grid renewables a leading wind power provider. Gentlemen thank you very much indeed for joining me so let us take. Let us take this issue fronton Senate because we've just had the Iowa Caucus We know kind of WHO's at this point at the top of this pile and what is going to mean for for the nation for the climate and for politics. I'm Lieutenant Governor. You have been very clear about what needs to happen. Just give me your sense of the political nature of the debate and you've just heard president trump obviously as we played at the state of the Union talk about. We are going to be Self self-sufficient sure well. I fundamentally believe This about American politics I think Republicans need to become honest About climate and I think Democrats have to get real about energy In in this country and I think the intersection of both of those truths Right here is in Pennsylvania and I think the most successful approaches one that has been implemented by Governor Tom Wolfe to combat the the the idea that we really do and must act on climate but we also have to realize that we have energy needs there are employment considerations and and we must do it in a way that honors the environment but also protects and safeguards the jobs of the Union men and women who depend on these industries for employment Soon attendant governor. You're a democrat. I omitted to mention that He won the mayor's office there by one vote. I think if if I'm not correct if I'm not mistaken and you've been very you know you you entwined with this whole debate so just tell me your story a little bit about about how you come to this issue. Because how do you balance. What many believe is the existential issue of our time? Climate absolutely and uh-huh existential issue of jobs. Sure well background my family and I my wife and I are three. Children live directly across the street from one of the largest industrial facilities certainly in Pennsylvania. It's not in the country as the the Thompson. Steel Plant and politically As well as morally I believe in the union way of life and the fact that we in this country needs to make things and we in this country need to do it simultaneously why honoring the environment environment the. US steel is looking to reinvest one and a half billion dollars in the steel mill across the street to produce the world's greenest steel which I support And we have to make sure that politically as well as morally and ethically we take care of and preserve and defend the union way of life if here and not only in Pennsylvania but nationally as our Party and Two things can be true at the same time you can as I do admire fire and listen to people like the sunrise movement but and I also admire and defend the right of the Steel Workers Union and other union trades to be able to practice what they do and how they provide for their families as well. We can't all work for Google. You know we have a to be able to produce steel we have to be able to Deliver the energy needs as we transition over towards more renewables else which I think we can. All agree is is a good policy but the moving parts of of that debate are right here in Pennsylvania and I think We need to make sure that we always at first for as far as our party. Go defend the union way of life and make sure that we we Keep and protect these industries that allow a lot of thousands of families to earn a living. Okay let me move over to leave an hone on them because you also a Pennsylvania resident you I think our northern Pennsylvania and I believe your parents your father was in the the mining industry and yet you have moved away from that into renewables. Give us a sense. And you heard what the government says about how it's fundamental to people's Livelihood Hood Fossil Fuels fracking. And other such thing. And why you have moved away from your family business. If you like into renewables well I mean I grew up in Nicole regions You know right in the heart of the anthracite region When I was young you know why was exposed to it constantly You know I played around kneeled codebreakers and Cory's Even though they weren't in their heyday They were still you know still some of them were still functional. My grade school was across from the the Saint Nicholas spreaker which in its heyday was the largest producing coal breaker in the world. Actually and I You know when I was growing up my father he worked in the coal mines When he was very young? And then eventually you know during the sixties Cole was starting to phase out at that time slowly holy He went into manufacturing and You know my goals when I was young to be was I wanted to be a diesel mechanic mechanic. Actually and I expect it because of the amount of Industri- industry and coal in their area. You know that was going to be my destiny However you know my goals in middle school even was I wanted like I was so set on being a diesel mechanic? But my father you know swayed me against it He really wanted me to get into electronics So I ended up going to a vocational school. You know got my three year certificate for Electronics. onyx I pursued my education at Penn State got an engineering degree And I ended up working for the semiconductor business A company they call Western electric which was the manufacturing arm of the bell system I had a very rewarding career there. but twenty plus years into it. You know when I got that job I thought it was set for life. That was one of the best companies to work for and I thought I was going to be. You know Mike Pence it should be set and everything. But they closed up the moved overseas and Lo and behold I was out of a job and that's when I eventually moved into the renewable energy business. which was they? Were building a wind farm right near me so I ended up working for good renewables. Well you've kind of made a case. He's and very eloquent. Case for how a family a people a town maybe a state and a nation kind of moves with the times and with the demands and with the economy And with an in a in a way a little bit with politics and numbers and I want to read you these numbers because I think they're really important as as you heard the president in the in the state of the union said even more jobs will be had in the fossil fuel industry but certainly Pennsylvania boasts more than nine hundred thousand jobs in wind solar energy efficiency and other clean technologies by contrast about twenty thousand. Some people are employed directly in oil and gas jobs. That's according to two thousand sixteen figures from Your Department of Labor and Industry That I think is an amazingly important story just from your perspective since you've made this move and many fossil fuel families in your allstate or in the same way. Youngest young people need to make different ways in life. Can you say look. We're all part of the energy family. We're just moving into different ways of energy. Does this story need to have to be told differently. I mean yes I you know. Just like the semiconductor industry tree It's not the same as it was in the eighties in the United States that moved overseas. And we we transgressed into other careers. I think You know renewable energy as an extremely bright future in our county where I live Skoko county you know the Wind Energy and coal Cole is as coexisting I think if you look at them on a curve you know maybe we're in area where we're intersecting so oh renewable energy jobs are going to go up and fossil fuel jobs are going to slowly go down But at this point in time we are co-existing but I think for future careers. I think people need to start looking at the renewable energy. I think it'll be a better place for okay. Our Future for our children and grandchildren so back to you. Lieutenant Governor Given the importance of your state to to the presidency and to these economic and energy You know realities. Are you ready off to Iowa to endorse anybody I am ready to endorse. I'm here to endorse our eventual nominee. And there isn't anything that I won't do to get him or her elected because because I would want to remind everybody that we have to unify our Party and make sure Donald Trump is a one term president. It's just that simple and you know when you have these kind of conversations. It's important to remember that they're they're complicated. And two things can and often are are true at the same time. And with respect fracking. I WANNA point out. I've never taken a dime from the industry. Never have never will the the decisions and the the opinions I have ever coming from. I believe are an informed place here on the ground in Pennsylvania and then I believe that our Party needs to honor the union way of life and safeguard these these jobs and acknowledged that we must trans Begin the trans- For Hoover to renewables as well okay so let me just say because because you know again people in your party look by and they see Hillary Clinton having lost you know of a very important state by by not that much and I wonder whether this soundbite of hers back in March of Two thousand sixteen in full campaign swing in Ohio. Also a very important state about coal miners and Co workers. This is what she said. and I wonder if you think it's a cautionary tale given what you're telling me. I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into cold country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies. He's out of business right. Tim and we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people so she did say we don't want to forget. Get those people. And then she went on to say how the economy has to you know make good for them and be and they'd be retrained but is that kind of what you're saying that a current candidate cannot say that and expect to win Pennsylvania. Well secretary where it's Clinton's words were taken out of context my concerns about a day one fracking ban if that was Z.. Even possible to implement is is that it doesn't fully capture how closely tied the economies are here in Pennsylvania and and you know Pennsylvania. I believe is a margin play and banning fracking on day. One in my opinion isn't a margin play policy and I I feel that again. We can you know do as as our governor has done. Governor Wolford's done is realized that we can work on these two two issues at the same time we can have. This industry function in. Pennsylvania provide thousands of jobs but we can also incentivize and know that we are transitioning Over to clean energy because no one on our party at this point argues the real threat that climate change poses to our world. So let me ask you on the economic level and. I wonder if it's a story that that that you lieutenant governor or the governor or the Democratic candidates can tell the economic story because let's face visit fracking is not a great economic story his fingers it's incredibly capital intensive You know companies are still trying to prove that they can actually make money money because now they are not turning huge profits. Many companies rely heavily on Wall Street's willingness to continue to find them from them and in fact one of the hedge fund managers puts it this way. The industry has a very bad history of money going into it and never coming out of it That must be important for somebody in your state. And is that an economic argument you can use as you make a transition eventually to tell people you know and the president is making the opposite argument eh sheets. It's great for money and for you know for jobs and all the rest of it well it again. It's it's a complicated argument and the but the the reality is is that Pennsylvania. I believe Pennsylvania's going to pick the next president and I believe in an election results recently in two thousand nineteen bear that out and and I believe Banning an industry overnight on day. One of the office. I doesn't isn't compatible necessarily with that spirit and I say that as a progressive recipe and I say that as someone who's never taken a dime from the industry and would never do so. I I think you lose the importance of the the the industry in a state like Pennsylvania. And what that allows president trump to do in weaponized that and to create an environment. Where a lot of these industries trees? It's not just fracking. Feel that these workers have no alternative other than to go in the direction that maybe they don't even necessarily want to but you know we as Democrats win election soundly the way the governor and I did in two thousand eighteen by embracing and protecting and advancing the union way of Life Ah honoring organized Labor in Pennsylvania. And because we have to remember. We all can't work at Google or any of these other high tech jobs you. There has to be production and manufacturing and energy and in my state Red County Pennsylvania powers and feeds Blue Blue County Pennsylvania and there's an interdependence and the argument that we have that's being made divides us when we as a party and need to unite behind our eventual nominee. And make sure Donald Trump is a one term president because I fundamentally believe that Pennsylvania's going to be a margin play and without Pennsylvania so Vania in president trump's corner. I don't believe he has a realistic plausible path. To two seventy. It is absolutely fascinating. Thank you so much for joining me. Lieutenant Governor Federal and and also leave and horn manager Avin grid renewables. Thank you both very much. Thank you thank you. For many years now Yuba has changed the way many of us live not just in the United States but also around the world and the way we socialize and work but the company has faced a series of scandals from safety complaints to to the ousting of its first CEO and few know it better than Mike is it. The New York Times Tech reporter has been covering the ride hailing company for years his first book super pumped the battle. FUCA presented the dramatic rise and fall of a stop that came to symbolize everything wrong with silicon valley now while the currency CEO has enacted wide reforms in the company. Is it tells a hurry strain of us. How Uber should be a cautionary tale for corporate greed and the limits of the GIG economy? You covered uber for a long time. What is significant about Uber? What did they figure out? I think it was something something about a you know if you can remember back in two thousand nine two thousand ten it was this moment where smartphones were just starting to become you know a device a computer in everyone's pocket wireless and you know high speed. Connectivity was becoming more common in different cities and the idea that you can you know it seems crazy. In retrospect now that you can call a car from your phone is was pretty revolutionary right. Then it gave people the idea that maybe the power of the Internet and the power of the smartphone can can be much larger than just texting or messaging with your friends or logging onto facebook and sharing photos as you report out. They weren't the only ones that were trying to think about rethinking transportation right. They weren't the first one. So how did they succeed. How did they get so big so fast? I think in the valley in Silicon Valley. It's not about being the first. It's about being the best or executing the best you know so you know facebook. It was not the first social network to be there. There was friendster is in my space of the world. It's just about making the right moves to secure your dominance as a company and I I think for Uber. It was about being really basically really cutthroat from the very beginning you know Travis. Kalanick's was the CEO of the company for nine nine or so years and his whole philosophy. was you know. Don't take no don't even don't ask for a don't ask permission. Ask forgiveness really right. Just go into cities and really. Don't even ask forgiveness just barge into cities if you can remember at the time ridesharing had no regulatory framework around it and weather city governments. Want us there or not. We're going to operate and normal people who uses APP. Once we put it in their hands will get the magic of of it and be be enthralled enough to want us there and you know for most for most for all intensive purposes at actually worked for at least a significant period of time so they would just barrel into the city's not ask permission and then what happens they could find from the city but by that time there's already a bunch of users there's and much of money I mean you know. Talk About Uber. Going into hundreds of cities around the United States this point cities barely have have the ability to enforce parking or or different sorts of of rules around their local government. Much less catch. You know a bunch of different people driving different cars around the city. There was no real enforcement around it so in cities like. Let's say Portland. They would try to do these stings and maybe pull over drivers drivers by catching the cars but every time it was kind of like an arms race every time the regulators tried to catch Uber Uber tried to outsmart the regulars regulators by I using some different form of technology to do that and I think the the where it got tricky and ultimately. What would be Uber's undoing doing was how far should you go when you're pressing when you're bending those rules and ultimately are you getting to a point where you're maybe breaking the law are going going beyond what you you should be doing? How much of this was travis? Impact on the company his fingerprint on the corporate culture. I mean look I think in Silicon Valley. It's it's always about move fast break things it's always about you have to sort of you know. Incumbent companies are not going to just hand over there territory to you right you have to sort of press and and be willing to to push it so I think that ethos Israeli instilled in a lot of young tech founders. That said Travis was one of these people who you had to win right like he had to go to all lengths to to essentially dominate the industry and it wasn't going to be uber versus lift or Uber. ooh lifted an UBER IN D in China or Uber and Ola in India. Who's just going to be owns the world? Because that's how travis sort of how to operate and I think that win at all costs mentality ultimately just trickled down to the entire company and I think really for every founder founder of a company that. Da is key it kind of sets the tone from the top down on how companies supposed to operate and you could argued for awhile. It really worked for Uber. Like pushing into a lot of these cities without taking no for answer did make them sort of become ubiquitous until it didn't until will employees would do things that eventually caused them. Scrutiny by the Department of Justice that that that that may have gone too far so what happened to the early investors the board why were they not able to rein in this culture. I think this is the power dynamic that has always been a push and pull in Silicon Valley right in in early days in in the time of the. This is Mark Zuckerberg or Larry Page and Sergei Brand Google the idea that the founder as the sort of God head cult-like figur- your person who can come in and have a real vision was really popular is right. I think Steve Jobs was really kind of one of the pioneers of of that idea. Like you have this person who has a vision and the board of directors shouldn't be too meddlesome because you don't WanNa mess up a good thing essentially and and I really think Zuckerberg and page and brin made that even more popular over time and over time as a VC venture cappos wanted to invest in companies. They would essentially give more power to founders of these companies. And in the case of. Let's say in the best case scenario you let's say Zuckerberg pre twenty sixteen. You build a billion multi billion dollar company. That's doing really well. And in the worst case scenario of let's say a Travis County or Uber you have a founder who amid multiple scandals amid reckless behavior internally and multiple federal investigations. You're not able to remove that founder removed CEO because ultimately they ceded a lot of the power over over to him in in the way the corporate structure worked. So how did that perfect storm happened. I mean it kind of seemed to be post. The trump presidency beginning beginning. There seemed to be a focus on inequality and worker rights. There seems to be also the rise of the METOO movement as right. So what were the factors that actually we made these big struggles tuber significant enough where he had to leave. He had to be ousted. I it was perfect. Storm is exact right word. I think If you remember back in Pre Twentieth Sixteen Tech did not really have the level of scrutiny. That it does right now you know so yeah exactly right it was. It was founders on the cover of magazines and they were sort of an idealized version of what it meant to go into tech and facebook was on the list of top ten companies to work for years on end and then post really post trump's election. We started see questions about how tech work right Maybe a Russian influence campaigns are putting disinformation inside of facebook. And we aren't really aware of it or maybe we shouldn't be creating these models of of hybrid work that have eroded worker protections over over a long period of time or maybe women are being badly mistreated in these companies and not really having any voice to say and so I think at this one moment and beginning this was sort of like the seeds of rumblings rumblings of early metoo that would come later in two thousand seventeen at this moment. I think Uber became really the poster child for how bad tech bad behavior in tech can be right. It was and a lot of different scandals came out for the company. At once. If you remember Susan Fowler an employee at the company when he published this link the blog post that said essentially she had suffered really bad mistreatment and sexual harassment at the hands of her managers is Sorta so does she got there and and I think that broke the dam open for for a lot of different scandals to come out given all of the bad behavior. That's been documented mended about Travis through the investigations. I mean there was basically a sort of very high level investigation. That kind of went into this here. He is now no longer with the company. Incredibly wealthy at all of the early founders and employees of Uber who might have been part of the problem problem. What was the consequence right? This is the the you know. The outcome at the end of the book were sort of left with. What are we learning here right or we we did they get their travis sort of learned from this entire thing is he gonNA be a changed? Man Did the employees sort of feel chastened and decide to turn over a new leaf or travis is a billionaire three times over at this point a lot of the he's working on a new startup he's still in good company he's still goes to the met gala here and invests alongside of blue chip venture capital firms. I believe he's hired a number of the employees who are who were were pushed out guber for bad behavior for his new company right so I'm not sure how much she has learned except maybe to keep his profile much lower. We're at this new startup that he was working on. Just to sort of keep cover from from a press scrutiny. But I don't know you know I wonder I do wonder if it's a sea change in the valley right now I talked to a lot of younger tech founders. Who essentially say look? I don't want to build the same company that Uber built. I want to I want to build. I want you think about culture and ethics in the company from much earlier on just so when we if we're lucky enough to get big we don't have to worry about similar problems. So maybe there is a lesson learned so the new CEO on this program said that Uber's business model is sustainable. Is it dark houser Shahi former. CEO of Expedia Uber's new CEO. Joe His thesis is that ultimately. We're going to get to a point of costs sort of stabilizing in coming down and we'll start to turn a profit in more markets because we don't have to subsidize rides fighting against different competitors in every country. The problem with that is they're pushing headlong into the food delivery business right now. which is I I would say? It's where ridesharing was five or six years ago. It's very expensive. There's a lot of people competing and companies that are willing to lose lose money on every every delivery essentially in order to gain market share. So it keeps kind of kicking the can down the road on wind profitability is going to come and you know he can say that they have a path to profitability. And they're saying I think twenty twenty one is when they're aiming to become profitable but it's hard because they're still trying to grow and they're losing money on all the businesses that they're breaking into so I'm I will wait to see it to believe it. How dealing with the drivers and the and the pushback they've been receiving for them for so long and one one of the things that happened very quickly was the ability to add tips right? That was something that drivers wanted. But what else are they doing to try to keep drivers happy because whether their employees are not. If you don't don't have drivers you don't have a service totally I think. One of the biggest oversights or liabilities really of Travis's era essentially was seeing drivers as disposable consensually. If don't drivers well if we don't really care about yanking around their pay all the time and talking about some of their concerns than we can always is get new ones quickly. The Uber Realized Dara has sort of made it a priority to change the relationship drivers over time you've started to offer them some unlimited of advice on how to handle tax preparation or at least giving them different advisors there or sending them to medical medical benefits plans that they can go find on their own. It's a real difficulty because if they help them too much it's almost as they are treating them like employees which again they don't want to do but if they don't help them enough then the drivers are GonNa get upset and say. Hey you're mistreating us so they're trying. They're they're doing this program of change and we value our drivers but it's always going to be tense because they only can value them. You know so much. What about the concerns of passengers have had over ride safety? I the ninety nine point nine percent of these ridesharing apps and the rides at happen are fine and they're safe but even just given the volume even if it's that point one percent that's a lot of rides a lot of bad experiences We've had reports of sexual assault and rape In Uber Vehicles Goals by drivers. What's the company doing? But I think you nailed it on on the scale idea right not just do but any of these companies if you're doing doing let's say millions of rides a day or for facebook billions of pieces of content today or whatever even just a fraction of that is is a a lot of people. It affects a lot of people right so I think something companies will never say is that you can never fully get rid of rid of this. Because that's just how the world works. But what they do is they try to minimize as much as possible in. So Uber has come out to their credit. Have come out. With a number of different safety mechanisms that never existed assisted in the APP for very long time. There's ways to send your location to people so they know where you're going on the way to your ride. There's an essentially panic antic button. That can call nine one one if you feel unsafe for dangerous or or you go off in a different direction. There's a way to for the company to detect if the drivers going off route for a period of extended period of time which might mean some irregular activities. So they built in some more mechanisms and they're putting more people on the safety team so I will give him credit for that but I mean any any anyone who operates a company that served bit literal billions of people recognizes that you can never get something one hundred percent safe. Does the GIG economy work. I mean because there is now an Uber for everything right you can and get your tasks done you can get lots of different services where contractors come in and fill the gap what is the ripple effect on our economy. If that is a legitimate avenue for people to go find employment. I think there's a few things going on. I think one you you know. In the wake of Uber. There was essentially an uber for everything after after that and it with any sort of wave of startups I think a lot will fail a lot or kind of destined the failed just because the business model doesn't work for everything it's not infinitely repeatable so I think that wave is starting to hit some walls. You're starting to see task. Grab it was bought by Kia because it might not have been enough of a standalone business. But I think the ones that do make it it really does change how we think about work and employment. It's an how people kind of existence cities I'm thinking about. All the delivery food delivery companies. Now that has an effect on local business. It has an effect on retail restaurants where people might not be walking in and coming off the street anymore just because they can sit at home and watch Netflix over their delivery that they just got for for for less than the actual cost because the food delivery companies are trying to win and give you cheaper meals so there are really different effects that this has or Amazon is on which is essentially replaced malls at this point and indefinitely had an effect on retail. So I think it changes. What Main Street looks like it? Changes how we get services and how how we think about these services should work but I do think I do think we should recognize the costs in that and see who affects and in the case was taxi drivers in the in case of Amazon. It's retailers and shops. In the case of food delivery its its littoral restaurants that upheaval as a cost and I think people can at least recognize that the through line between all three of those types of examples that you just gave is that we end up valuing our convenience more than thinking about what those ripple effects are if the people that are working in the restaurant go away if the people that are working in the malls go away if the people that are working in taxis go away. Yes I think it really abstracts. It's kind of like climate changing away right the like the. The big pictures really abstracted from the immediate effects of this one thing. That's right in front of you at the moment. Like maybe Amazon is very bad for the environment in the way that they can ship thousands millions of cardboard packages every day. But all I know is that I WANNA get my paper towels toilet paper with it within eighteen hours if I press one button right and you. It's almost like the system is built to abstract the cost of what you're doing because it's so much larger under and so I don't want to be too cynical because I do think we're in a moment. Now where people are starting to think more about these effects and and what they can do individually to change them but it's it's hard when when all you have to do is press a button and it's much more convenient than it's ever been before Mike. Isaac thanks much. Yeah thanks for having me and finally remember a towering icon of American cinema and one of the last living actors of Hollywood's Golden Age Kirk. Douglas passed away on Wednesday at the age of one hundred three throughout his career. Hit Start in beloved epics spots and the bad and the beautiful. A few years ago I spoke to his son the actor and producer Michael Douglas and he told me how his father's breakout role as a box. I am the champion showcased. His trademark intensity and the champion. He played a heavyweight. Fighter follows way to the top. And I think that's we're that that chopping sort of true he's chopping down his back. Molars and fighting through scenario kind of began and that was the personification of inner rage that to explode and was very very powerful on screen a and used it very well scary as a kid. Yeah yeah sure. He had he had a lot of never been quite sure where I come. I'm from. I've talked to him a little bit. You know he's the white Russian I think he was probably perceived as not being Jewish. I think he probably saw a lot of Anti Semitism In his lifetime people not acknowledging or thinking the actually was Jewish but he it was that same energy Asia incredible stamina that tenacity that sets a struggle. It served him very well where they probably don't know about it is as much as is his humanitarian efforts that he's made in his life and his his beliefs in tickle Newmann or trying to repair the world a better place and through a year of of acquiring a large fortune. He's now basically giving it all away to charity charity into other. He's overcome all sorts of strokes in helicopter. Crashes and all of that so kirk. Douglas was the child of Russian John. Jews who left Belarus to find a better life in the United States. And he used that impetus to become Hollywood's biggest and brightest star. That isn't for now. Oh you can always catch us online on our podcast and across social media. Thank you for watching and goodbye from New York.

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