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"north vietnam" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600
"The rights to build it. And then David colt to build and cold became the sole Manufacturer Bell helicopter. Um you know, we landed Vietnam. We have five different kinds of light medium helicopters, But by 1967 Bell helicopter was building all of the of the medium and lightweight helicopters, with the exception of the Hughes Away six, which Howard Hughes managed to keep that scout ship. Ah, contract, but they're kind of afraid views, but the rest of them were all built by Bell helicopter helicopter text who had a controlling interest of Bell helicopter text. Lady Bird Johnson. Imagine that. Yeah, and then Brown and wrote, gets ah, the contract to dredge Cameron Bay and build this big giant Porter, Cameron Bay and they, you know they were out of Houston. They're LBJ's buddies. Which is why I put the space center in Houston to Brandon Route built Space Center in the middle of nowhere down there. Uh, because of LBJ. So if there was a huge amount of incest now when they were building this is interesting when they were building came one day with steel. Came from China, Red China, the concrete Came from North Vietnam. Concrete mix for building this base came from North Vietnam. By way, the Philippines. You know we picked it up in the sale of danger Shipping Philippines but it was made in North Vietnam. Now we're bombing them into the stone age and they got extra concrete to export it test so we built a base. It's just when you started digging into this after what I did. I got really interested in this. So I wrote the SEC. And I said, Look, I want to know who had the controlling interest of Kreisler, who was building tanks and trucks who had the control unit Kreisler, who had the controlling interest of Bell helicopter Textron, who had to control an interest of, um Ah, the colt, Firearms and some others that I got in there, And I also wrote the, uh uh, Department of the Army and the department. You know the various military departments. And eventually I get a phone call from the SEC and they and they said You still want this information? I said, Yeah, I do. And then this girl says, Well, I'm gonna have to transfer this upstairs, She said some of this is above my pay grade. I'm thinking. What do you mean, like this is ancient history? You know, this is this is 30 years later. What difference does it make? I just wantto who had it's got to be on file Someplace. Who who Control who had the biggest interest of fuck of Chrysler, right? From 1965 until 1973 when it's all I want to know what you find out. Well, it went upstairs. I got a call from somebody else. Are you sure you still want this information? This is the runaround. You get on for years, and I said yes. I still want this information. I've already been down this road with other cases. You know, the FBI and all the stuff you have to say. Yes. I still want it. And can you expedite it? Because I got a deadline. Well, they want you to miss your deadline, then you don't need the information. My deadline was self imposed. It was flexible. Finally, this gal calls me up and she says, Mr Roberts said, um, they This was on my desk and I've been looking at this and said, This is really strange watches all those records. Have been destroyed. Imagine that. I said, What do you mean? I said, we got records going back to how to shoot a mule in World War. We got records that go back to the civil War to help tell us how many cartridges unending German carries a certain battalion. And we don't have the records who controlled the major corporations to provide the war material for Vietnam. Now. I said it was a, uh, some, you know, Cleaning House Records Act that they came up with that they just decided to get rid of a lot of the old stuff. And I get okay. All I need to know. And these are all the people. The JFK got on the wrong side of which ended up leading to the ascent. His assassination not by Oswald, but a contract team in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 right, Craig Correct Now in your book, you identified that there were A huge number over 100 witnesses that died. Under fairly mysterious circumstances. Correct Rogers 115. I think it was and that that that book is was a follow on to kill zone. That book was JFK, the Dead witnesses. What I tried to do is when I was working on on the kill zone book I was trying to find, you know, Primary resource is the eyewitness is peoples and new things, People. You know police officers who was there that day and I was every time I tracked one down. They were dead. And in particular, I know and I I would really love to have you back. I know you're busy guy, but it's so fascinating. All the research you because you are the leading expert in this. I want you to talk to our listeners In our last couple of minutes here about Captain Michael grows, who was in charge of the honor Honor guard at Kennedy's funeral. What happened to him? And why do you believe it happened to him? Well, I don't know why it happened, but he was young. He was in really good shape. He was military. I mean, he was part of the honor guard in Washington. I mean, that was the elite of the elite in the Army. You know when it comes to, you know, dog pony shows, and he just shortly after that the candy was was buried. He's eating dinner at home and just falls bid. At the dinner table. Somebody had poisoned him. 2120 some year old guy, right? Yeah. Perfect health. So why would they kill him? Craig? Well, he saw something or he knew something, and I'm not sure what it is, and we'll never know. There's so many like that. Did he? Did He talk about the fact that they were practicing for a presidential funeral Three days before Kennedy was assassinated, But yes. Yes. Yeah, it could have been in. Uh, hey, it didn't click with him until after the assassination because they practice for dignitary. Funerals all the time. Ah, and but that particular thing was was coincidental to him at first. That they were getting ready for presidential funeral. Ah, and then all of a sudden bang. They did one You know, I did it and he started getting suspicious. And he probably started asking questions probably started talking to other people and so on down the line, and I mean, there's so many like that now, now dead witnesses is no longer in print. You can find it on the used books amazon dot com or on Google, but I have it in an e book form on my website. If someone wants it, they click to it go PayPal, and I'll send it to him. Uh, and it's a pdf file and they convey can pull it up on our computer. Read it, share it, Give it to other people. I don't care. Same thing with Kills, Kills, men will be coming back out again sometime next year. We're out of stock right now, but the publishers.
Robert Caro on How He Does It
"Robert Carroll joins us now he is the Pulitzer Prize. Winning author of many books. New Book is called working researching interviewing and writing. He's also the author of the years of Lyndon Johnson four volumes of them thus far and the powerbroker Robert Moses and the fall of New York Bob. Thanks so much for being here. Pleasure to be here all right so everyone has been greatly anticipating a volume five of the years of Johnson. But instead you have written this other book working researching interviewing writing. Why did you decide to do this? Ever since the powerbroker I kept myself out of the book. I don't think the word I appears in there many times. If soon as the book came out people started asking me. What was it like ten of you Robert Moses and I realized that I should have put in something to tell people what that was like so for like forty five years. I've been hearing that question and people ask me what it's like to work in presidential libraries were. Can you find out from interviews? This isn't the adviced anybody but it's sort of. I said we'll I WANNA give people some glimpses into how I work so. I took time out to do this book now. I'm back doing the volume. I mean it's an interesting question about interviewing Robert Moses because you had read five sessions which women seven sessions with him. Which was very different from the Johnson. Biography where he was dead already for several years. Before you could get started and I'm curious you write about it a bit in working what the difference was like for you. Writing the book writing a biography of a person who was still alive versus writing a biography of someone who was already gone in one sense. It's great to write about someone who's still alive because you get to meet Moses. Didn't talk to me for the first couple of years of the book. Then we had seven interviews. Soon as I started asking questions. Pamela the interviews were over but they will long sessions and I really got to look at him with Johnson. You felt okay. I came along just too late. He had died just three years before was great about him was that he died so young he would have been only sixty seven when I started. He darted sixty four that everyone was still alive. He had I think twelve people in Johnson City High School. When he was there they were all there to be viewed. But you can't make up for not meeting and talking to the person writing about you just can't do feel that absence and working on the Johnson. Yes you do everything you can to overcome that you know you interview the people closest to him over and over and over again constantly asking them what was he like. If I was standing next to you what would I see him doing? So you try to get a feeling of him now. We have these telephone transcripts where you hear him talking hundreds and hundreds of hours you can listen to him talking and see how he deals with people and how he gets what he wants from people. That's always amazing to me. Has that changed the way that you've been doing your research having access to those types a change the writing of history in general like on the Gulf of Tonkin incident which has been sort of mystery. What really happened there. How many attacks were there? On our destroyers. You know that led Johnson to launch these launch bombing attacks on North Vietnam. Now you actually hear the communications between Robert McNamara. The Secretary of Defense Cincpac the admiral at Honolulu and the commander of the fleet. That's an in Viet Nam. You hear this and what was really going on in real time the other aspect of your interviewing that. I thought was so interesting that you write about in this new book working is the delicacy of interviews and especially when you get to touchy subjects. And they'll you didn't interview Johnson for the book did Interview Lady Bird and tell the story about how you and when you approached the subject of Johnson's longtime affair with Alice Marsh. Well when Johnson is in the Pacific during World War. Two year allowed easing Australia. You're allowed one telephone. Call the senator from Texas. Just Johnson has to decide whether to run again for the House of Representatives or to run for senator. I'm going through all the correspondents and suddenly in the middle of it. There is a telegram from someone sewing. Alice I've never heard of Alice. She appears in no book and it says Lyndon everyone else that happened to me in the White House. Everyone else thinks you should run for the Senate. I think you should run for the house. Please try to cool love Alice. I said WHO is Alice. Who was the person that he makes the only one telephone call? And who's giving political advice which he follows shortly after that? So that's you know. An example of going through the papers by luck her sister and best friend show up at the Johnson Library and ask to see me and I go down to see them and they say you know we wanna tell you about a woman named Alice Marsh. We don't want to portray to some Bimbo. She was really very important in Johnson's life. And they told me the whole story of this Lauren and significant relationship and his life. So how do you then? Ask Lady Bird. You know panel. That's the only interview I ever had in my life where I couldn't bring myself to look at the person I was interviewing. Alice was a small town girl. She turned herself into the brilliant Washington. Hostess Brilliant Brilliant Salons and she came from a little town called Morlin. Now no one would go to the mall. And unless they were looking for inflammation analysis a little town in the middle of nowhere and I never know I went up there and we learned about her. And how remarkable she was but all of a sudden we have a mutual friend. Who lived in Morlin? Who calls me in a panic and says the bird in Texas? Everybody Calls Lady Bird Bird. Bird and always. You've been in Marlin. So she knows you know about Al. Assad said well that had to be if it doesn't concern me but her secretary then shows up at my desk in the reading room says Mrs Johnson would like to see you out at the ranch this weekend. We had been meeting in her office so we sit down at the dining table. She's at the head of the table. I might her right. Hand my stenographer's notebook like like the one you use is is down on my right hand taking notes and without preamble. She starts to talk about Alice Quiz. How elegance she was how sophisticated she was how she taught. Linden things and everything that she taught him. He followed the rest of his life. You don't hear these lawn when she met him. He was this new congressman very awkward with Lorne Gang Leo Arms. She said turn them into an asset. Always wear shirts with French. Cuffs and very nice cufflinks. So when people's attention is cool to them it's called in in a in a good way. She told him. We're kind of Necktie to favor. Countess Myers Tie. But most of all at crucial elements in life. It was her advice that he followed an in a number of cases one in particular. It's not exaggerating. Very much to say she saved. His career is takes a moment to tell. But it's it's interesting his early careers financed by a very fierce huge Texas contractor. Herman Brown Brown and Root and Herman was prepared to keep financing his Roy and in return Johnson was getting huge contracts for Brown and root when all of a sudden they had a falling out Lyndon Johnson was getting them authorization to build a dam which they wanted but Linden wandered low. Rent Housing Project built in Boston in what was a very poor Mexican American neighborhood. The houses in that neighborhood were owned by Herman Brown. The tenants were paying rent to him. They were very profitable and he was enraged at Linden wanted to condemn them for his housing project and his chief lobbyist and his chief lawyer talked. Instead you know Herman was about to turn on Linden and when Herman turned on you he never turned back when Alice here is about this and invites them both down to Greatest Stadium Virginia. She sits down at her table. And says why don't you just compromise give Herman the damaging winds and the land and all of a sudden everything was okay. So Lady Bird starts talking not only about her elegance. She says the quotes are in the book. She was so sophisticated so beautiful. I remember her neck succession of wonderful beautiful dresses and me in well not so wonderful. And and then she said you know Lyndon Basically Linden always followed Alice's vice during that whole interview I have to say my head. Just stay down and I took notes. I couldn't look at her so that was done. The next week we went back to ordinary interview she just launched into it without you. Even though I you know I sometimes think I know something about politics. I'm really glad I don't have to write about. Women never understood why she did
Documents show officials misled Americans about war in Afghanistan
"The big story at this hour however is the release of the so called Afghanistan paper so this is supposed to parallel the release of the of the Pentagon papers back during the Vietnam War that showed that the American government was having trouble in Vietnam a new is having trouble in Vietnam and then revealed to the American people that was having trouble in Vietnam and now you have released a similar papers with regard to the bush administration Obama administration and trump administration with regard to Afghanistan Craig what lock writing in The Washington Post at war with the truth US officials constantly said they're making progress they were not and they knew it a confidential trouble government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior US officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the eighteen year campaign making Rosie pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence that the war had become unwinnable well the biggest problem with the Afghanistan war is that it was nearly impossible to determine what winning look like because winning in the end really look like stopping another nine eleven that's what that's what the war in Afghanistan was fought for remember was only launched in the aftermath of nine eleven when mullah Omar who's the head of the Taliban refused to turn over Osama bin laden and United States went in and we destroyed the Taliban and ever since it's been a bastion of tribal warfare presided over by a series of corruption ridden governments with the help of the United States attempting to tamp down have local terrorist insurgencies that's been the situation Afghanistan for a very long time and I think that tell understand Afghanistan like understanding rock we we sort of have to understand less less on Iraq and Afghanistan Afghanistan is incredibly travel place so rock is like less trouble they actually had a functioning central government even that was in a horrible dictatorship is a functioning central government in Iraq for for a long time that was not true in Afghanistan and so the prospect of something more closely resembling a national government Iraq the makings were there the makings just were not there in Afghanistan in the first place but to understand what's happening in Afghanistan what has happened yes I understand that American foreign policy basically since the Gulf War and certainly since the Cold War has been a series of attempts to muddle through it's very rare in modern political history for there to be a clear objective in a war so in the original Kuwait war the clear objective was Pushin I'm missing out of Kuwait that was done the war is over when it came to the Cold War the the war was designed to contain the Soviets push that a particular areas but in wars we didn't have a great definition of what it was that we wanted to accomplish the Vietnam War where we were not allowed to just go in and destroy the Viet Cong wholesale in North Vietnam it became very difficult to win a victory because the end goal was not clear the same thing was true in the Korean War which ended up basically being a stalemate the re establishment of the parallel that allowed for the creation of South Korea there is there is there is arguments over whether the war should have been about the liberation of all of Korean whether that would necessitated a full on war with China shortly after the war that we just fought in World War two one Afghanistan very often so much of American policy because it's not just a battle with state sponsored soldiers becomes a matter of modeling to remember we defeated the state government of Afghanistan in three weeks can military took out mullah Omar in the Taliban inside of three weeks the problem was there was nobody to clean up the mess and every time to clean up the mess has failed so there are certain theorist Angela Clodia comes to mind from Claremont institute he suggested that basically once we deposed mullah Omar our job that was done we should just come home and maybe there's truth to that maybe should have when we basically did try to install strong man and how many cars I who's going to preside over some sort of liberalization but also a centralized government the problem was there was no pre existing centralized government mullah Omar the Taliban that is a radical government there wasn't a government that really had control over all the tribes in Afghanistan the first place so when it comes to a series of interior papers saying we don't know what we're doing over there it seems like that was fairly obvious from the beginning of all the talk about the American people being lied to in Afghanistan it's been pretty clear to everybody since about three weeks in this whole thing has been a series of questions about modeling broke and if you listen to general David Petraeus was in charge over there for several years the train says it's not as though we have much choice this is why Barack Obama came into office on the pledge that he was gonna get out of get out of Afghanistan and didn't that's why I don't trust him and often the pledge is gonna get out of Afghanistan and didn't is why every candidate who says they will get out of Afghanistan and I probably will not why because if you do get out of Afghanistan you do risk the rise of terror groups like al Qaeda again in Afghanistan because again with the original goal lest we forget was not to make Afghanistan a better place to make it a a land of wine and roses United States have you tried that back in the nineteen fifties to a certain degree of success before abandoning the effort but that was never the original color the original goal here was to stop nine eleven from happening again that did happen but has it caused an enormous amount of American blood and treasure absolutely absolutely in the best you can hope for over there is a certain baseline level of security so I these papers supposed to dramatically we shift our thinking about Afghanistan nobody even knows a victory looks like over there no president has even suggested what victory looks like over there so the attempt to compare this to Vietnam where victory was very much a possibility all the United States had to do by nineteen seventy three was basically continue to fund the south Vietnamese government and maintain a trigger force in Vietnam and south Vietnamese as South Vietnam would now be along the lines of South Korea that is not the case in Afghanistan there is no victory it's not like there's a certain bulwark of securing Afghanistan they can be spread outward talk to anybody serving in Afghanistan and effectively a chaotic situation and has been for twenty years so the Washington post is the bomb shells about how people in in inside the defense department are confused about what exactly they're supposed to be doing and what they're supposed to be conveying a certain extent I am not fully on board with this idea that V. it that it's good for the American people to know every internal deliberation on foreign policy I think that the American people should be able to judge whether or not we are achieving goals the American president should be held accountable for what those goals are obviously of lying is going on that's not appropriate but the goal in any foreign policy conflict is that there have to be some documents under cover me if you want any level of honesty and transparency inside the defense department for example you can't be spelling the stuff out in the public view every so often that does Kerry within nature not only to America's foreign soldiers that foreign allies our our soldiers abroad right so how much of this was lying and how much of the shading the truth is a real question for positive always existed Washington post as US government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks the documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest time conflict in American history include more than two thousand pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials in the interviews more than four hundred insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare with bluntness rarely expressed in public the interviews lay their pent up complaints frustrations and confessions along with second guessing and backbiting so is it really great that the American people and now been made privy to second guessing backbiting and the blunt expressions that are necessary behind closed doors if you're in a business or you work in a business would you want everything that is said in corporate hallways bust out on the front page of The New York Times probably not much looking corporation is answerable to the American people these folks are presumably but I I do wonder if the coverage of the Afghanistan papers is nuanced enough to really merit the coverage that is receiving
"north vietnam" Discussed on NewsRadio KFBK
"And we are back where our final segment George in order with you Thomas McKelvey cleaver his book may get alley the U. S. Air Force in Korea tell us about the title of the book Thomas may galley Miguel a is is an area in in the northwestern corner of of North Vietnam that was bordered by the yellow river the yellow sea and the Chong Chong river to the south north of Pyongyang and it was the area where most of the air combat between the Americans and the Soviets took place use of North Vietnam you mean North Korea yeah okay okay yes North Korea North Vietnam was another disaster wasn't yes you know you have the this is the sad thing is when I was doing my research and career names kept popping up and the guys in nineteen fifty who told us Hey he is going to be a cake walk to go into North Korea they'll be happy to they'll be happy to see us come and it was a disaster with the same guys who ten years later were the high ranking officials say it won't be any problem going into Vietnam look what happened you know on the biggest problem with Vietnam was when a returning troops came by the way they were treated by citizens that was a shame yeah yeah no matter how you feel about the war you got a tree to treat with were the troops with respect let's go to the phones we'll go to Joey in Orlando Florida welcome to the program hi Joey Hey are you sure good good to have you with us great well Mike my father's ninety years old he served through the whole Korean conflict he he has three purple hearts a bronze star with them Ballard designator he's gone he's still alive it can drives of the Las Vegas where I live and and visits me lies all the out of them nothing wrong with them and he tells me stories about the holy Korean conflict and one that I remember a lot of you says when the first Megan through the valley they were actively engaged in combat in stop the combat it stop the war read that there there would be a very likely response yes indeed enjoy let me ask you did you ever saying how he got those purple hearts to the ever give you a story well it you got it ari artillery one fight it in when we were kids like when we drive to Disneyland the vibration from the car would cause there was a V. like is dead on the back of his neck often and he'd pull out a little piece of shrapnel so that he would you would you got flown back to the states and he he was in the hospital for like nine nine weeks got blown up but I mean he's it's not like he's all gnarled up or anything like that but he he was he was running for that and he's got a boat all he got shot and then there is a grenade one time and he got it by fragments by that but you know he he doesn't really he doesn't want any our praise forty doesn't wear the hat you know like a lot of the old veterans sure I'm a goner I'm a Gulf War vet I went and then the first thing I want to do is go to Korea and I just put in for but in Florida I realize that and from the A. I. I was with air defense artillery I got to go to yeah eight he and can't help for use so I speak a little Korean.
In Vietnam, There's Hope North Korea Will Follow Its Model For Economic Success
"Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from Cleveland Clinic ranked the nation's number one heart care, according to US news and World Report for information on complex cases treated at Cleveland Clinic, or to get a second opinion. Visit Cleveland Clinic dot org slash heart care, the choice of Vietnam to host this week summit between President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong own is full of symbolism like North Korea. Vietnam is a one party communist state that fought bitterly against the US since that war. Vietnam has made peace with the US and prospered now Kim is seeing the results first hand from Vietnam. Michael Sullivan has more. In nineteen sixty seven during what the Vietnamese call the American war North Korean pilot secretly fought alongside there. Communist comrades flying combat missions against American bombers in the skies over North Vietnam. Some of the North Koreans who died were buried here about an hour from the capitol where caretaker fund Dow opens the gate to a modest memorial fourteen headstones the names of the dead etched in Korean on one side in Vietnamese on the other he lights some incense and says a quick prayer. The memorial doesn't get many visitors these days, he says the bodies were actually repatriated more than a decade ago. But the headstones remain Donner the dead. I didn't lie. He's hitting the middling. They were foreigners. They came to fight for our country, and they died for country. So this memorial is to remember their sacrifice. But all that the caretaker says is in the past more than fifty eight thousand American lives were lost with over three million. Vietnamese debtor missing. But the US and Vietnam are now frenzy says having normalized relations twenty years after the war's end that decision says, economists laid along Sean still baffles visitors. From young young the North Korean delegation. All the time us me. Why did you memorize relation to the US you live in fighting for so long? How did you do it? The simple answer the advisor to several Vietnamese Prime Minister says was necessity like North Korea. Now postwar Vietnam was crippled by economic sanctions and trade embargo by the US something had to give I have told him. We never forget the pass. But now we look to the future and Vietnam must develop the economy much industrialized. And it's the best way to have an animal and friendly relation to the US and that policy has helped make Vietnam economy. One of the fastest growing in Asia over the past two decades and best of all perhaps from dictator Kim Jong UN's perspective. He would see development of the economy under the one by the ruling congress party rule. One knock Zhao is. Director of the institute for policy law and development studies in Hanoi. He says the Vietnamese model should appeal to the North Korean strongman. He can you know, he'd some more freedoms fall the market economy freedom for the people in private sector and as a same time he can keep the political power. He learns his from Vietnamese communist party. Dinnertime downtown Hanoi. I'm standing outside the hole in the wall restaurant where former President Obama Anthony bourdain famously sat down for meal Boonchai and a beer few years back but tragedy the places closed renovations. They say kitchen fire said the neighbors. Let's try to talk to some people. Anyway. Inside the coffee shop next door tour guide one. We Ling is also unhappy one of his favorite restaurants is closed. I this come here for the food actually before a here. This also by famous restaurant in Hanoi. But not for tourists only for local Vietnamese. But went over my here like a bomb, boom. He reckons the Trump Kim summit might raise Vietnam profile on the world stage and help bring more tourists the coffee shops owner when mine isn't sure he doesn't think President Trump will show up at the restaurant this week. But he does think North Korea's Kim. Should learn from Vietnam's example and make peace with the US. They say. Hey, they will have to do that to survive because North Korean people have been suffering abject poverty for so long just as we did. So I think they need to change the follow Vietnam path if not he says, ordinary North Koreans lives are just going to get worse for NPR news. Michael Sullivan and annoy. This message comes from NPR sponsor. Comcast business. Business has always been driven by innovators. That's why Comcast business is helping you with technology that provides better experiences. Comcast business beyond fast.
"north vietnam" Discussed on ESPN FC
"Say to to Argentina one with Paraguay as the quarter-final with Paraguay in two thousand ten as if what he did in Barcelona was in good. If the mayor him an opportunity. Let's go ask. Let's very specifically talk about that because I run across this. When I hear the guys on foot begun to talk about less. It's very clear to me that they don't know what they're talking about watching and they disparage it as a default position, fine, whatever it plays. Certainly kraut I get hint of phobia and there. As well in a hint of, I think Zena phobia and this is well because Martinez, let's remind everybody, not Mexican. No. Okay. Wait, what. Spouts in accuracy and repeats it over and over and over and over and in all, if it North Vietnam, hinting at a north webby enough DNA and Hugo Perez and it didn't go well for him in Argentina, and it didn't stop stop. He took over team in two thousand fifteen. He gets them to the final of gopher Medica right? Which as great as Argentina's history is and especially in that tournament making a final over the decade before that had not been some guarantee for Argentina. So they make a final and loose how penalties? Okay. Then the next year, another Copa America sent the tournament in the US. So not in Argentina, and what do they do? They get to the final and they lose the Chila how so? To penalty. Shootouts don't go Argentina's way enor- lift where he ended up in Dina. That is that is you just don't. You didn't even look up the Wikipedia like that is that is spouting. Miss information to denigrate a candidate simply because I, I can't really see another reason. He's not Mexican or if you if you have an opinion fine, but for buckle Gubbio down and Google who I, I don't know buckle down that all but frugal. I respected who's been very in personal actions with me anyway. Super con. Like you. If you don't want him because he's Mexican, say that, but don't say it went poorly for him in Argentina. That is not the truth to things don't go looking pedia. It's always wrong here at where. Were you born according to Oxnard, which actually not Los Angeles, not oxide. You hate Oxnard? No, I love to say it. I love my family's still there. Grandmothers there. Beautiful, beautiful place. Number two, welcome to my world right to my world. This is why it's both entertaining and Matt aiding maddening, they, they crossed that line of dialogue just playing like I wanna yell at us no longer when I have a conversation. Yeah, that that might have seen, oh. Is by far the most qualified candidate right now that these seriously have, if Megan as a candidate, if my may, there's a candidate and if that the Martinez can just here paper, he's the most qualified maybe with what we know in the back story is the ideal man. You get could not between down the road because of what he's done. But right now on paper, it's a no brainer and TV consider any Mexican candidate in the same league dot the Martino you are accepting not to say that they couldn't do equal jobs because you never know could come in and be terrible, but on a resume on resume, there is no Mexican candidate in the ballpark of different leagues differently because there's no Mexican on Mexican coach right now who's ever gonna cook Barcelona, bingo. Well, ever. So long time ever. I'm with you very ever very. By the way this Zena phobia that comes in when we talk about Mexicans, right? It's been prevalent for so long. Let me just backtrack real quick. What's been the most exciting Mexican national team to play. I mean, everybody says level pets about everybody says that that's the stunk it is. I think for watch the two thousand six world con think for branch tangle zero zero. Hold on. Listen, I think for a brief moment, people would say, oh, make this team played? Well, yeah, it was fun. That's close as you've gotten to level team that really like teams that really excited you in the way they played. Mexican soccer for whatever reason when it comes to the national team. No, no, no, not really saddles. No, yeah, no. When it comes to a foreign coach known in into new, he can be formed, but he's gotta be here from guy mckie's..
"Many are. Honoring the life and. Career of the late Senator John McCain of Arizona they include captain Doyle borders became was his navy flight instructor KCBS Jeffrey Schaub reports that the Napa, resident said, McCain was. Tough as nails and a man of great, honor retired navy captain Doyle Was a highly decorated. Fighter pilot who flew one hundred thirty one missions over North. Vietnam he rose through. The ranks to eventually. Command their nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS. Carl Vinson but years before that in one thousand nine hundred sixty six when I was growing through basic jet, flight training, in Mississippi John McCain was a flight instructor there I I never fluids. John but I knew. Him by reputation he was, tough guy you can say that again he was known as a really. Rough guy was pretty pretty quick camper both Portuguese and McCain graduated from the naval academy where honor was much more than a word John McCain had. That I think that was the The cornerstone Touchdown particularly that helped him get through his years as a POW orchards didn't always agree with, canes politics but he believes he was a. Great man a patriot a person who put others. Before himself here you had a, true American, you know Someone who loved, our country And Really cared about what he did for us as a public, servant and we need more of that.
German journalist facing terror trial in Turkey returns home
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"north vietnam" Discussed on Stuff They Don't Want You To Know Audio
"So by the way folks watch where you picnic, please don't eat any strawberries, even if they look delicious in wild and you're like, oh, man, those look awesome. I gotta get some strawberries, don't do it. Just, oh, I don't know if strawberries grow up there. Well, it's it's a good idea. Just don't eat anything out there. If you find your growing in now as we, as we conclude this episode. We unfortunately don't have a happy ending. We have to quote the VA steps in the right direction. Yeah, but we still, we still don't know what is going to happen to people who are exhibiting symptoms based on their parents exposure to these substances. And the government here in the states continually says, there will be a serious investigation of the phenomenon and a lot of scientists working ardently on investigating it. But veterans and their families feel there is little real progress toward admitting an addressing the effects of this urbicide and you can't really blame them. Now I'm having sorta hard time with this one. You guys. Let me see if I can work something out here in my head while we just discuss it. I want to hear your thoughts. So. It is so horrifying. I mean, horrifying just encapsulates everything about this, but the thought that a country outside of an internal conflict, which you know the the Vietnam war, which was fought between South Vietnam and North Vietnam over ideological differences was kind of their own battles, a battle that was being fought of way way over there. If you're if you're sitting in the United States and we intervened and in doing so, we caused horrors to generations to come for people in south in North Vietnam. It's almost I'm trying to imagine what it would be like. Making some connection between France coming to the aid of the United States during the revolutionary war in some ways. But if France had come over and like sprayed chemicals all across different fronts. And then for generations, even though we have in America now it's just got. It's just got a birth defects all across it. I don't know. I don't know if there's any connection there. I'm just it's just it's horrifying to me. Yeah, it's a good point. What would what would a similar comparison be? I don't know, and let let us know if there's a real life analog that you can recall folks. Additionally, it's important for us to say that it's incorrect in its missing the point to vilify people who were in the service at this time because. These people these military members while they're risking their lives right for their country for a greater good, and they were often just as exposed to substance. Luitingh. Oh, if not more having to load the stuff and then nozzles ready in get it in the planes. And the people who were on the planes actually doing the spring are not the people who are going to understand it. You know exactly what the the health effects are of the substance. It's just not how it's going to be at one more thing. Those planes that we mentioned, the c one two threes were destroyed shortly afterward. Oh, to remove the well. People who think there was a cover up would say they were destroyed to remove the evidence of the event, but you can't remove it from people's genetic expression. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's the, you know, the other thing, these c. one twenty three's or whatever they are. If they had the like Agent Orange, just all over it and inside of it in going through the systems of the plane, would you have to destroy it to not expose anybody else who's going to be on that plane. Two dioxin because it seems like it's the stuff is so persistent. It might just be within that structure. I don't know the decay factor or anything. Oh, yeah. Okay. So maybe it's not a cover of maybe it's just a health risk, perhaps maybe it's both. It's like a specis planes specis planes. Yes. And now our story terms to you, thank you so much for listening. Do you have personal experience with Agent Orange?.
Hawaii braces for worse lava flows from erupting volcano
"Republicans are still trying to get enough senate votes to confirm gina hospital is the next cia director there's controversy around one republican opposed to her fox's rachel sutherland live in washington david white house staffer reportedly said it doesn't matter he's dying anyway referring to senator john mccain's brain cancer and his inability to vote on tina hassles confirmation the white house doesn't ni kelly sadler made that remark in issued a statement saying we respect senator mccain service to our nation and he and his family are in our prayers during this difficult time senator mccain who was a prisoner of war in north vietnam opposes hassles nomination because of her role in the nine eleven post nine eleven enhanced interrogation program dave rachel the volcanoes national parks now closed indefinitely in hawaii per kilowatt robbed with bigger explosions the lava lake at the summit of kilowatt is draining fast and scientists are watching the lake dropped down inside the crater that magma has to go somewhere and if the lake drops below groundwater level it could cause steam explosions scientists worry ashen large boulders could come raining down oxygen cica rosenthal reason lava flows have destroyed more than two dozen homes on hawaii's big island fox news.
"north vietnam" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"In way city the enemy was dug in so well the marine seventh take it back blockbyblock in the house by house when a marine captain managed to raise the american flag over the ancient capital that's next on war stores so lovely place with a river running through a the river of perfumes it is the place where many of the leaders of north vietnam went to school uh where many of the leaders of south vietnam went to school he he was the seat of the old imperial order of yet um one lieutenant colonel stationed way was forty four year old richard brown from nebraska he was already a veteran of world war two in korea by the time he became a military advisor in vietnam brown wrote about his time and way in alice gate i took off in my normal concience trip to ashok valley the morning after the first did the during first day of the ted holidays by notice that there is a bunch of trails coming from the jungle towards way that had been not news for about nine months is primary job was to advise south vietnamese general nope quang trung who is headquartered in the citadel on the north side of the river estimated the hundreds if not thousands of people over these trails during the night that one might because they look like highlights covered with them all the grass was gone to hold seamen trail was a network of roads and trails the north vietnamese used to bring tens of thousands of troops end their supplies into south vietnam some called it north vietnam's road defect.
"north vietnam" Discussed on Intercepted with Jeremy Scahill
"In the cuban missile crisis there was true but most of our threats as nixon's against north vietnam which was a secret he was trying to keep me from revealing actually when he hired the plumbers and symptom after me the white house it formed its own bureau of investigation an illegal organization called the plumbers it was the plumbers had broken into ellsberg psychiatrists office his threats against north vietnam were against an ally of the soviet union but not against the nuclear weapons the danger now is it ass in the cuban missile crisis although are not confronting a superpower like the soviet union or russia and there's not a danger of nuclear winter because north korea's the warned member of the nine nuclear weapons states that doesn't have enough weapons to cause a nuclear winner that would kill billion despite starvation even without using nuclear weapons in their artillery against seoul and if they do use nuclear weapons in the course of escalation we'd see more violence in a day or week than the world has ever seen in that period of time so they're playing again as in the cuban missile crisis chicken nuclear chicken and yes it is very dangerous given this book and the work that you are now revealing to the world about your knowledge of the nuclear program and the work that you did on it that in some ways i think you know contains some more individually explosive observations as any one paragraph of the pentagon papers israeli extraordinary what you've pulled together here how dangerous is trump compared to any other president from truman to now on this issue of uh of nuclear weapons and the first rate policy.
"north vietnam" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk
"The attention that it merits and we had over close to two million sailors who served in vietnam or in the waters just off shore throughout the war carry on the bombing campaigns against north vietnam fighting on the rivers in the mekong delta we had advisors there we had cbs we had seals a really quite a contribution to sue the war effort which i think needs to get more attention and that includes see the leadership issue and we had some very prominent individuals who were very much involved in the developing the strategy and executing that strategy in vietnam i spoke about the uh four key admiral several harry felt and admiral you listen he's s grant sharp both of whom were in charge of all us forces from all the services in the pacific theater from 1958 through nineteen a sixty eight a ten year period sharp in particular was very much in charge of the bombing effort against north vietnam in the rolling thunder campaign the third individual thomas moore was connected with the vietnam war from almost from the beginning to the end he served as commander of the seventh fleet which of course is our fleet out there still is he was then commander of the pacific fleet he went on to become the chief of naval operations let's head guy the navy and finally the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff under president nixon the fourth individual who gets no mention i have to say in the kim burns document or he is probably the most wellknown navy vietnam veteran that's admiral elmo arzu zumo junior he was commander of us naval forces in vietnam in sixty eight through seventy and then he went out to become head of the uh the navy chief of naval operations so i wanna give them their credit and it was not an easy assignment for any of the four they had to deal with a direction by the civilian leadership president johnson president nixon and secretary mcnamara and others not an easy fit there were problems between the military and civilian so they had to adapt.
"north vietnam" Discussed on WAAM Talk 1600
"Space center in houston to brennan root built the space centre in the middle of nowhere down there uh and you because of lbj uh so if there's a huge amount of incest now when they were built in this is an arrest and when they were building came ron back the steel came from china red china crete came from north vietnam the concrete mix for building this base came from north vietnam he by way the philippines and you know we picked it up in the philippines are shipping philippines but it was made in north vietnam now what bombing them into the stone age and they got enough extra concrete to to export us so we build a base i mean it's just it when you start doing this idea um i got real interested in this so i wrote the sec and i said look i wanna know who had the controlling interest of chrysler who was building tanks a uh trucks who had the controlling chrysler who have the controlling interest of bell helicopter textron who had the controlling interest of uh um uh the firearms and others that have been i got an there and i also wrote the uh uh uh carpet of the of the army and the department you know they'll do the various departments and eventually i get a phone call uh from the sec and they and they said uh uh being dragged information i shall i do they sit in the scale says well i'm going to have to transfer this up she said some of this is what my pay grade i'm thinking what is i mean look this is ancient history um you know the us this is thirty years later and what will what what difference does it make i just wonder who had the could it's got to be on file someplace who who control interest of fuck of chrysler right from 1960 uh five until 1973 when that's.
"north vietnam" Discussed on KVNT Valley News Talk
"Election in which the war was the dominant issue naushera president humphrey is the sitting vice president or former vice president richard nixon was making his political comeback not that either of them had a clear plan for dealing with the vietnam war richard nixon someday said he had a secret plan for dealing with vietnam war and part of what our last caller jim was talking about was i think what is probably well certainly one of the most dubious aspect of richard nixon's whole career in public service and i do believe that richard nixon was a public servant i believe he wasn't american patriot but he he did appear to have contact with south vietnamese government we were sporting south vietnam against north vietnam in the viet cong that was the vietnam war and nixon did appear to have back channels contacts with the vietnamese government to try to prevent any progress toward peace which would've i greatly helped which would have greatly helped uh uber humphrey in winning the election and are caller jim in portland as well what if humphrey had one the one thing is we wouldn't have had the entire watergate crisis because humphrey was many things he was a big government liberal a classic big government liberal but he did not have that dark and gloomy and paranoid side the got president nixon and so much trouble but also humphrey would not have been reelected as nixon was a nixon won forty nine states and with humphrey as president the democratic party wouldn't gone over to the crazy left as it did in seventy two which is why it lost forty nine states so it is a fascinating counter historical to look at how history could have been different let's go to what patrick in cleveland patrick you're on the medved show my call of uh some patrick the conservative atheist i actually metro cleveland suburb several years ago um i don't see how you can say now i i'm only forty seven this month so i wasn't around to the 1968 election but i don't see how you can say that their work the same level of riots i mean you haven't seen all the anti for writing blacklock riots that have been going on a death patrick patrick it's it's nothing it's nothing of what what happened.
"north vietnam" Discussed on KQED Radio
"And my family were very generous with leading me tell the story um he waited till the very end who to read it and death he didn't really know what to expect he he figured that he'd be proud of me and then he said that actually um he roots surprisingly kind of grateful that was nice to hear it put his own experience in context um i think fit he sexually really good storyteller so he's able to do that for himself but he was maybe grateful that i did an okay job but but that hear that i didn't waste the stories yes we can be hard um i don't know if your family it is quite private about their lives and having it all laid out there and uh he's probably a little annoying you know one of the things that i was wondering is there are so many different perspectives about what happened during the vietnam war depending on who you talk to write whether you talk with someone from southie in our north vietnam or even than american involved in the morning any way how did you get to some kind of truth about what really happen to be able to depicted in this book the portent thing to get to the truth is to realize that it is so multifaceted that one's in one's own experience of that war i'm really affects just everything about the way that you understand it and the problem for a lot of people in my family situation was that we come from the losing sight of the civil war and so just naturally then way that the histories written in vietnam right now kind of erases a lot of experience because we don't fit into the narrative of vietnam fighting off the american puree lists and then here in the us the south vietnamese don't really fit into the narrative of the.
"north vietnam" Discussed on WHO NewsRadio 1040 AM
"Was to disguise that it was covered agency we'll originally it was named special operations group but if it had to have a a a listing in mac v the headquarters in saigon in their tapelu organization and requests for funding they didn't want to could so bluntly of special operations group so they changed the title to studies and observation group which gave them a kober there there the pose admission in vietnam was to study the tactical lesson from the unconventional war i'm sure it's it full the kremlin are china i'm sure is that how max v bob and i said very casually because it's a burned into our brains having lived through this military assistance command vietnam that's max v and mack the was unusual and this is the pyramid affair and we're dealing with the military maxi was unusual in in that it became the way of talking about the us commitment to vietnam maxi and so max v max saw the special operations are observation group works as part of mack maxime set and smack sock only there was a strained relationship between the two m mack v which was the big headquarters in saigon controlled by general westmoreland um general westmoreland it was very limited and his ability to conduct a war in southeast asia he was not going to be given carte blanche of macarthur had greer he would be limited in scale and scope there would be no operations conducted in cambodia or laos because they were neutral countries there would be no groundforce operations in north vietnam oh he he's he's operations were strictly limited to territorial south vietnam so when song was established since it was gradually over time going to man and growing extend its operations into all three of those countries it was not under his direct control it was controlled by um of of staff at the pentagon commanded by what was called the fact that as sack as s a c as say in the beginning is the weakness is the tragedy and we're going to establish these critical years sixty three sixty four before the gulf of tonkin incident and then plunge into two covered operations in vietnam black ops vietnam as the book the operational history of mack these saw max saad robert m gillespie as.
"north vietnam" Discussed on KQED Radio
"The good fortune to me of a name lehman quay who volunteered at age sixteen she was motivated by the rolling thunder the bombing campaign of north vietnam and when she saw people in her village killed by american bombs she thought she lied about our age and ran down to go help you know support the war effort in the south are and on the human trial and m you know one of the things that we learned in this processes that in vietnam today there's very little conversation about how terrible the var wise and the true costs that they paid and the suffering that especially these young women endured on the human trial that was revelatory to ask to hear her tell her story and to begin to understand to images that our producer in vietnam ho ally was able to get from the vietnamese government archives of what it was delayed like there it was really really berlin her effect dan mayor recently in vietnam and shared some of the footage and the scenes with name clay and she specially sort of called out the she appreciated that they were in a not shy away from representing and selling visually and threw her story in other people stories have very brutal and just horrific that aspect of the war watts give us an example of what you think is one of the most remarkable pieces of footage that you have from the hotel room and trail and i think the footage where you see the fires burning and the women kind of frantically trying to put them out on young women teenagers and then they you know go ahead to try to fill the bomb crayeres and there the clearly in the middle of a sort of a cataclysmic event is pretty remarkable the footage of the truck drivers at night going down the trail at the tiny little lights he can barely see the road in front of them in those moments we see exactly what the people that were there remember if you're just joining us my guess her lynn novik and ken burns the creators of the new pbs series the vietnam war it's a 10part eighteen our series we gonna take a short break and then we'll talk some more about making the series this is fresh air ha ha a.
"north vietnam" Discussed on Radio Free Nashville
"Businesses you had this huge corporate i mean the entire corporate machine in the united states the entire capitalist machine in the united states in the banks to the to the manufacturers of the politicians that they own we're all saying well we can't have communism and see of course communism was an evangelical philosophy rogge karl marx wrote this thing and he said of only everybody would do it right evangelism evangelistic things always we started out of only everybody would right of all e everybody would adopt this this way of living than than life would be a paradise and as i said it didn't turn out this is not a sales pitch for communism i'm trying to make a point here about evangelism and this is a really important point you think about north korea so we went to war in south vietnam at one and north vietnam and laos and cambodia illegally we went to war tests stop communism it was a proxy war with the soviet union arguably and china china you know mollet taken over china with communism and the soviet union had a slightly different kind of communism and in neither one of them are really the kind of communism that karl marx was pitching but whatever they were evangelical and they were trying to spread their communism around the world did come to cuba we were freaked out about that there were countries in central and south america there were flirting with the idea of of maybe not communism but something halfway there and so because it was evangelical we've viewed the soviet union and and and they had the greatest power china was just a third world country of for all practical purposes but we view these communists countries new north vietnam for example as actual threats because they could evangelize americans they could convince julius and apple rosenberg.
"north vietnam" Discussed on KQED Radio
"On the national political scene but he's a member of the powerful senate foreign relations committee which is about to begin public hearings on vietnam and johnson is determined to bring him around i can very well understand the basis of era all at perhaps fair i thought the bombing mccarthy is concerned about is operation rolling thunder a sustained aerial assault intended to bring north vietnam to the negotiating table by the time of this call the campaign has been underway for nearly a year with little evidence of success and mccarthy is now the only one without influential figures are starting to question not just the bombing with the entire vietnam enterprise but what it all get back good jane airdrie are even we ought to be there to get out no we ought to be there but i can't get out i just can't be the architect gobert's surrender their nearly an effect the ailment can't do all he wants johnson tells mccarthy is to wear the north vietnamese down persuade than that they can't win asked what i'm trying to work up do but they don't be right away now horrific i got it at a mode help both bangar day fact they've got is there grabbed nor problem dumb i am that jose got on hair and iowa a r got it altogether an honor to have part posited on approve a johnson has come to see the press as a major cause of his vietnam woes his growing preoccupation with coverage of the war has been bill in for some time ago the toy at ecorse advocate baiqiu goddamn under pendant or the big day about it this is david brinkley the venerable nbc news anchor talking to an lbj eight a year earlier out of our regularly you at the regard about read the papers but by not anything about marred wildly why of all hardly anybody in terms of national regulation rate the times second of all the people read the time don't read the editorial page and third of all a people will read the editorial page don't read the editorial on what barrack that he gave them what to do by early 1966 johnson was paying more attention than ever as the coverage grew more critical the president began to pull up the.
"north vietnam" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"They did do was occupied north vietnam they convinced devi she french to invite the men which was under duress of course this is so the vichy france at will you please come in and help administer north vietnam flores oh yeah no problem will do that for you you know they asked japan is as if we she france wants japan to commend it milliano with vietnam but that led to the world the war in the pacific because from uh from vietnam from north vietnam now year europe very close to being able to attack the philippines and the dutch east indies on short notice and it was in the next year and 1941 when they took south vietnam that basically the die was cast because now the allies are saying well now wouldn't have we which is now kim saigon told you in silica cam ranh bay at the time it was go won't will now they're right they're ready to attack you know once they took in forty one selfie in a in a way the specific war was fought over vietnam because once you're in vietnam than you could do you within shouting distance of any number of other area right interesting enter as debt changed american policy on a dime when they came in in in the joy of forty one and took south vienna from that moment on everybody in the if fdr administration kind of knew that war was inevitable in the pacific but that was the big that was the big moment was when they took south vietnam in the preloaded was in forty when they took north vietnam for tunnel nation just kinda like stuck on the corner of asia lot of historically bright over the.
"north vietnam" Discussed on WCHS
"Troops in vietnam johnson doesn't followed that advice it takes two years and the quagmire of vietnam begins regan publicly many times chastain is him and actually at one point use the word search he said had there been a surge of troops america could have won the war in vietnam very quickly american public of course would not hear that term surge until general portray us forty five years later and specific military strategies and tactics on how to win in vietnam we're disgust and that's where i did very detailed mentoring reagan's specifically they wanted the war brought to north vietnam they wanted the north vietnamese quaking in their beds wondering what america would do next specifically they didn't want any kind of halt in in bombing of the north they favorite hot pursuit if enemy aircraft or krupes went over in adjacent border you go after them they wanted the used and threats to use atomic weapons be made very very clear to north vietnam the press was a gassed when they heard that recommendation that too but exactly what i as an hour had done to stop the fighting in korea to threaten to use atomic weapons and reagan wanted to do the same to win the vietnam war he wanted the american navy to stage and vets invasion threats off the coast of north vietnam that would force the north vietnamese troops that were in the south to flee home to guard the homeland and they would wonder what is america gonna end southie i'm gonna do to us next and does not follow any of these recommendations of eisenhower in reagan you know those are the kinds of things that uh i guess we could say that there is timely as today aren't exactly uh red lines in syria when a red line uh is created by president old bomb i and then crossed and then nothing happens yup they wanted threats but meaningful stress indeed coupes we're going to be giving away a copy of reagan's 1960s dress rehearsal like r s k and reagan's emergence as a world statesman as he ended this show gene.
"north vietnam" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"The communists in north vietnam in their revolution he didn't support it but he didn't really oppose it but the price of getting the french alliance and korea was to back them against the communists son of france get whacked deon flew in fifth the full on for years and saw and that's when we got end but why was that of why did that event drag us in because they were done and it hats and it was felt that the job had to be done and they said we quit said we felt that there was a vacuum had to be filled yes and the french tried to want us we don't really recommend you you know taken this over okay and why did we will it's a difficult one to answer but if they are searing the domino effect that's rate shirt and we felt that we had lost a few recently career hadn't been a victory you know that was a factor if if we had won the korean war maybe we don't go into vietnam a lot of times people call callers kalon say especially recently we should carpet bomb the koreans into this down and i ask you a question about a things that don't work and that's one of them does away and that lesson was learnt in vietnam they just be 52s unloaded day after day there and they're they're gone down of trail with on there with bicycles loaded with ammunition right and they wanna walk consistently the only time air power has lived up to what it's supposed to do was in bosnia now is a special situation it took a long time and the results were limited but it's never really wanna war yeah and and and it is correct the korean war the american air force was very effective but it in the long run you know certainly didn't win the war but there was a moment early on with carpet bombing when the we'd meyer of the air force was begging truman for permission this was in the first week of the were the first days the north vietnamese and not did the north koreans were gathering they're trying to get all the material across these bridges near seoul they're the han river and the there were there were the heavily collected and the.