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"norman swan" Discussed on Conversations

Conversations

04:47 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Conversations

"And so and got a lot of touring around and she's shown us the sights and the steps which were with the famous of steps which were filmed in the bottle of lincoln movie and so on all this new huge romantic stuff and then maybe two. She took us to the suburb. And i've shown people photographs of the suburb. And i've said where is that and they say. Oh that must be glasgow. It looks just like glasgow. Tenements and the irony the the impact after we had all this buildup and she takes and she. She was very clever about how she did it. So this big build up when we get to the place which is generically where they would have come from anything plenty. Hell scana pogrom to get on a boat us all their savings. Get off the boat milan where they started whereabouts. Did your family first settled. Once they were in good may settled in the goebbels which is A tenement slum area very poor area of glasgow just south of the river clyde and they settled there and set up businesses unlike most migrant groups with indian creek italian and so on they work hard and they slowly moved further south. Mostly in in glasgow to mule better more affluent suburbs. And how did your mom and dad made moment. My my father was a musician and he ran away from home and played in dense benz during the war and then came back was cajoled. Come back to school and worked in his father's business. My fallen grandfather were terrible businessman. It completely defeats the stereotype of jews. Being good business anyway. My mother was a secretary in the business. And that's how they meant business. That didn't do too. Well the first business. I think something in the rag trade but the second business was a car yard a garage essentially so it was a garage in the goebbels. So this just tells you the brilliant marketing mind of my grandfather as you said. My name was worse. Gave the name on my restive swarovski. And it's a name that comes from probably lithuania. The town of severe severe ski and his name was sam source. Ski just remember that named samson ski so garage which largely served the jewish community of glasgow so savage people's cars aside the secondhand car dealership and so on anyway this is like in the postwar years post holocaust and my grandfather sam's whiskey ski coded essays motors. He tip. no he did what was mad about. No you would have been just seslanski's sense..

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"norman swan" Discussed on Conversations

Conversations

05:33 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Conversations

"For many years but code nineteen catapulted him into the role of strategy is most well known doctor. And one of the most trusted voices in these long. Pandemic corona cast the daily podcast. Norman hosts with teague. Tyler has a huge following and last year. It wanna walk lee award. Norman's also a regular commentator on abc tv working to unpack the sometimes conflicting messages. We're bombarded with about kobe. Nineteen but no one's medical interests are much broader than a carnivorous and he's written general health guide covering everything from diet to six to what he called the wellbeing thing and it has a characteristically pugnacious title. So you think you know what's good for you. The stella korea norman has built for himself in australia is not what onlookers might have predicted for the young norman swarovski who was born into a working class. Jewish family in glasgow. Hi norman harsh. Wasn't quite working classrooms kind of genteel. Poor lower middle class. Use the british class system. Very very rigid genteel lower. Middle class will amend it gentile before took a trip to trace the origins of this gentile family history. Where did you go. I went to a desert. My family essentially all my family arrived in scotland. Various times bought from the jewish pale of settlement. In what's known ukraine. Lithuania was before that soviet union in russia. And that's where they came from from various parts my my paternal grandmother came from a little village called vince. My paternal grandfather came from vilnius and my maternal grandmother came from odessa. She was a baby when she came just after nine was after the pogroms in one thousand nine five and her brothers and sisters came out as well and some of our older brothers remembered odessa and they talked about so. There was a lot of talk at the table. And it's always. I've always had this kind of romantic idea of odessa. Kind of things did they say. Newman what you remember the them saying about it. He does have one of those sort of mythical names odessa. the it wasn't fondly remember. One of the brothers had to escape being conscripted into the russian. Army great-grandfather on that side died during a pogrom. Which is why the escaped. the in. Both sides of my family didn't like talking about the past that much. They were very forward focused. So so there were these fragments of conversation in depth conversation about it was but it was a name that was that was discussed an.

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"norman swan" Discussed on X96

X96

06:34 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on X96

"That's my favorite second favorite Lou Reed Song behind Satellite of Love, which is also on this mix. It's just perfect day. Perfect day. Yeah. All right, then, Anyway, that's what I'll be doing. Oh, that's right. I thought I'd drink that. But we can take a little break right now. Well, not coming up coming up like little break. We, uh We're still you know, Carrie came up with this. Horrifying. Um Um Statistic or health warning. I guess it was today. It's uh, shocking. It came in my Covid 19 1st edition news report. Yeah, you know, under headlines like 90 Tyson Food Workers test Positive. Yeah, I saw that. Let's see Florida ranks last and timely processing of unemployment claims. Uh huh. Many who have no. You know who have coronavirus. Have no symptoms? Yeah. Pork producers contemplate euthanizing pigs because the you know the plants shut down. Where's the good news? Well, there's no good news in this. It's It's the you know Covid 19 1st Edition report, but Here's Here's the story that caught my eye. Giving new meaning to the phrase. Silent but deadly Researchers in Australia. Oh, no, don't know. Have determined the Corona virus could be spread by Passing gas. Farts doctor Norman Swan, who hosts who hosts the US to walk the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's Corona cast. Uh huh. Says, and he gets into detail. They're very specific ways. This can happen. The gas that's ejected when someone farts can contain Tiny particles of feces. Yeah, while underwear and pants are pretty efficient at stopping That from becoming airborne. You mean I'm not going to be able to go commando anymore? Well, that's what they warned against a bear. But emission by someone who's infected could in theory, spread the virus. So if you're doing a Dutch oven at home at night, don't do that. Don't do that, because you might infect your wife. No crop dusting. No, no crop dusting, he says. Luckily, we wear a sort of mask, which covers our farts all the time. A but mask well, your pants your pants. I think that what we should do in terms of social distancing and being safe is that you don't fart close to other people. And that you don't fart with your bottom bear. So I'm going to start calling my pants. The old fart stoppers. It's time to put on the little fart stoppers so, but I mean, this is the thing because they say If you have it when you use the bathroom, you should put the lid of the toilet down before you flush Because when you flush that can make it airborne into the year. I mean, that's a habit we need to get in is Yeah. So don't go ahead. And look, you should look you know you you go to the bathroom and then you turn around and look You should always examine what you've done there just to make sure that you're not. You know, you're not yourself on the back up What I did there? Yeah, I did that help out. Mount Sinai epidemiologist Erin Glad Uh, Notes that there's no published data on whether flatulence flatulence alone's prints any risk of transmission. However, he does agree that in a closed closed person It would be unlikely to be a significant route of transmission. You know what? You know what would what would solve this problem is if you just would like them. Then you can see where they're going. No. Yeah, Just so the the methane. It'll do the blue dark just kills it. Oh, no, not. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, So if you if you do if you if you light your farts That should take out of it. As as as I have done as a as a preteen. You did that? Yeah. Yeah, to see what if what if it was really true, and it is, in fact true in your life, have you done because you wanted to see if it's really true, Gina. Most of the things I have done in my life I have done because I wanted this. I need an empirical evidence. Most of the things I've done Look at me. Can't you tell it's all over your face? It's written on my face and in the lines of my palms. So People are saying what we need coffee filters in our pants now? No, no. Stop wearing my kilt. Someone says Yeah. Please just wear your pants. So there is there is there is underway. Remember? They do make underwear that a special fart underwear, You know, like the charcoal and underwear something like that. Why are you doing this? My wife is listening. You've taken away all of my quarantine. Fun. That's your quarantine fun. Listen, you know, just so here is what you do You just get you go out to the barbecue grill and get a few charcoal briquettes and just throw them in your pants. That'll take care of throw them in your pants. That'll do it. No. Far can spread the virus teacher says. That's how Tom Hanks got it. No one has ever farted around. Tom Hanks. Rita. Well, I'm telling you, Rita Wilson, Dutch ovens him every night. Not Drew Rita again. Guy says We've got to buy a HEPA filter in charcoal underwear. Yeah. There you go. Well, you can see why people want this show to go on into the 10 o'clock our whole other hour of this. Yeah, That's the reason because of that top notch entertainment. We just provided you There's one more hour of it coming up. So the public and public service announcement here according to the texture is if you light your farts it will. It will kill the coronavirus as it as it escapes. Yeah. So most them for safety and somebody has somebody sent me a link to an Amazon purchase that you can make underwear, flatulence, charcoal pad fart filters. Deodorize for gas and fart absorbing no more embarrassment..

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

04:55 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"Teigen tyler. Opposition journalist author norman swan. What is it norman. Also is friday. The fourth of june two thousand and twenty one. And we're still living through a pandemic eighteen months. Oh and yesterday. We heard the prime minister. Scott morrison announcing a new disaster payment for people who are in lockdown for more than seven days which. I'm sure it's very welcome to people who find themselves in that situation right now but one of the things that he said. That really stood out. Norman was that we don't have to this virus. I don't wanna be fearmongering. But i mean this virus has killed people and it's raging around the world. Shouldn't we be at least trading with a healthy level of fee. Yes is the answer to that question. And if you don't it'll come and get you because it will win in the end it's kind of a cough prize. It's been there since last year where the states are the ones who have really feared the virus in the commonwealth has been a bit more relaxed and really had to be brought to the party in a sense in terms of lockdown. I mean this is a virus to be feared and if it gets in and gets established we will not dig it out again as they're finding in other parts of the world where they've hitherto control at taiwan vietnam singapore elsewhere. It's not panic. I think there's a difference between fee and sort of a level of panic way. You sort of just a sofa at your wit's end that you're not doing anything but having a certain level of fee allows you to take something seriously and prepare for it and putting measures. I think you use the right words. There actually was the healthy respect as we said right at the beginning of current casts all those months ago. Yeah last year is that you the virus will always win. If you if you're not ahead of it it will always win. It finds every chink in our armour. And we'll find its way through if we let up our attention and don't get vaccinated and if you paying attention which i think you are. If you're listening to this podcast you know that we're dealing with variants of the virus and the one that we've been hearing a lot about this. Last couple of weeks is the kappa variant. That's the new. Who name for the particular strain of the indian variant. That is circulating in victoria. Hopefully coming under control and omen. There's been a bit of debate about whether it truly is more infectious or if it just looks more infectious because we're looking so hard so there are several things to say here. One indication of a more infectious fires could be that you get short generation times in other words from one person getting it to win they can pass it onto somebody else pass onto somebody else now with the six one seven point two. That's the delta variance also from india in singapore. They were getting a generation time of about four generations of infection in a days. So that's pretty fast and they've got other evidence of that too. There's also evidence from victoria that they're the generation. Time seems done at twenty four to forty eight hours and seven thirty a couple of nights ago. I covered this issue. And also allen chang at the press conference coverage to. That's really probably more an effect of testing and contact tracing so if you are out there doing a lot of testing and a lot of contact tracing you going to be finding people very early on in the course of their infection and it looks as though it's twenty four to forty eight hours but it's just because you're catching people really early. It's no different really to other viruses..

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The Urgent Search for Melbourne's Missing Link

Coronacast

01:54 min | 1 year ago

The Urgent Search for Melbourne's Missing Link

"I'm health reported teigen. Tyler physician journalist alter norman swan. It's wednesday the twenty six th may two thousand and twenty one and one. It feels like we're living in dacia roulin. There's a new outbreak Contact tracing we're finding more cases and of course this time we're still talking about melvin and i'll just break down the chain of events as far as i know it scifi because it's a little bit confusing so yesterday we talked about the fact that there was a guy and then it spread to a couple of his close family members and then yesterday we we then found out that there had been another case of that they calling thais five but it actually seems like this person might be the first an earlier early case than those cases that had been identified the day before and that this case five has seemingly spread it to a couple of their iron close family members. Now tell me what it means so far. Well look i think you over analyze this. And obviously victorian authorities know. You know the fine detail but yet you as we record this and people wake up in the morning There may be more cases so we'll just forgive us if we missed a few but as we record there are nine cases altogether which sounds all. This is getting scary. But it's not necessarily getting scary because there seems to be a clear chain of transmission amongst family members household contacts and yes fifth case does seem to be upstream or in time from these cases and that may well and probably the person who has infected the others. And you could say well. This person's a superspreader are probably not yet to be determined when you see whether or not this person or anybody in this group has spread to other people in the community and the shops. They've gone to swimming pool and the other areas that the locations of concerns wrapping issued by the retorted

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"norman swan" Discussed on ABC Radio MELBOURNE

ABC Radio MELBOURNE

03:47 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on ABC Radio MELBOURNE

"Yeah, one corrode Castor's written in with a clarification, and I think this krone Castor, it makes a good point. Is that we were quite careful to say it. But perhaps what's worth saying again that this was a study of hospital patients? And so if you got into hospital with the B 117, you are no more likely to die than somebody who did not have the B 117 variants. So have the previous variance. It still looks like it's the case that you're more likely to end up in hospital to be 117. So it's violent enough to get you into hospital. But if you get began to hospital, you know more likely to die, However, by the very fact that more people would be 117 or entering hospital, you will get more deaths. As a result, so the fact that the B 117 is circulating more contagious, more people entering hospital. Even if we got the same risk of dying once they get into hospital, the fact that you've got more people hitting hospital, you will get more death. So if we gave the impression that it's benign, it's not right. It's still putting that message. Strain on those hospital systems. Yeah, and increasing the risk of death just by Dent of numbers. Exactly. And so it's just a question or two from the audience. And then that is asking if you're a blood donor, and you've been vaccinated against Harvard. Well, the antibodies you have developed help the recipient of a the U haul blood or any products of your blood would be nice. If it's true. They're not that concentrated in the blood. So when you give The antibody treatment for covered 19, which hasn't been shown to be terribly effective. It really is concentrated. So you spin it down these spend the blood, Diane. See you gave a concentrated form of it to inject back into people says to doll you really Maybe forms off transfusion that you can get, which would give you a concentrated doors of the antibodies, But really, you would not expect to help very much right? That's what you're talking about. When we say convalescent plasma therapy, that's right. And then a question from both narrative and Rachel. They're both people under 50. They've received their first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine, and they just wondering whether it's safe for them to Get the second dose or whether they should wait and swap over and get fired. If it becomes available to them. We don't know the answer to that question. Yet their studies going on in Britain, which we mentioned before, which are mixing the vaccines to see what effect it has in terms of safety and efficacy, and we're waiting on the results of that. So it's not known yet whether it's safe to mix the vaccines from the experience with previous vaccines that is safe and actually quite effective. Makes vaccines so they're expecting that will be okay. But we don't know that for sure. Yet. If you've had your first Astra vaccine without any negative side effects, does it you then safer to have the second does there have been one or two reports off people getting the clotting after the second does It doesn't seem to be as big a problem after the first does. One caveat there, which is that it's 12 weeks between the two Astra does is in the U. K, which is probably got the largest experience, so we get to see a lot of second doors is Come through in terms of the doctor, and if you go back to that study, we were speaking about the beginning off side effects. It was the first Astra vaccine that gave the most side effects in terms of systemic effects willing crap. Having a sore arm, and so on, then the 2nd 2nd doors, So on that basis, you would expect the second doors to be stimulating the immune system less and if you come to the clotting issue. You would expect it to be much, much lower. And you know we don't have proof of that yet, but it does seem to be the case. That is, of course, Doctor Norman Swan with taking Tyler and the co host of Corona cast. If you'd like to hear previous episodes or possibly that one, and it's, uh In its entirety. You can do that at the IBC website, ABC dot net dot au, and likewise, Theeighties. Listen up there in your room at the Pabst or.

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What if we vaccinated everyone in poorer countries first?

Coronacast

03:31 min | 1 year ago

What if we vaccinated everyone in poorer countries first?

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen. Thailand and opposition journalist alter norman swan is tuesday the ninth of march two thousand and twenty one. So let's talk today about who gets vaccines when and let's talk about it from a global perspective because we've been talking a lot in australia about phase one a phase one b and all that sort of thing but really we have virtually no virus. It'll in australia. And it's running rampant around the globe and as we were saying yesterday when the virus running rampant in poorer countries. there's a high likelihood of variants popping up. That could cause problems with vaccines that we've got so ruth is ask us. Would it be betta for australia to vaccinate ourselves first and then turn our attentions to helping. Poor countries get vaccinated all to prioritize vaccinating people in poor countries first and then vaccinating australians. Second well there is a way through this but it's politically fraught one is that you could really go and make sure that all workers. That's everybody airport. Workers airport catering workers airline crews etc and their families and households are all unionized and preferably with the pfizer. Vaccines works quickly and his high performance. Hopefully against the variance and higher performance than astra. Also if you were to immunize. Australians before they come back home harder much harder to do then serious pretty well protected with our contact tracing and so on. And we've got time and therefore you could in theory divert two countries around us at an earlier. Stage the problem there is we would have to actually go into those countries and help them implement. It's not enough just to jump. Fis are at their door and hope that it actually gets there. We would have to devote resources to helping like we did with hiv by the way to helping. Those countries implement prevention and implement immunization campaigns. Many of them are pretty good at it but the probably need help to do that. So it's not just. The vaccine is the services in order to do it and the cold chain which is quite considerable so the issue could and it makes public health sense internationally if you could suppress this in countries where it's running rampant and have fewer variants being thrown off. Then you would actually make a big difference. But if you think of indonesia it's a huge country with a vast population and it would require concerted international effort to make sure indonesia it's enough doses and implements them and then you've got the pacific islands some of which are very competent. Doing this sort of thing and some of which might have problems. It's not straightforward australia's a rich country. But it's not particularly be country on the global scale would estimating vaccines really make that much of a difference. Mchugh difference to the pacific islands where the populations are small and we could certainly deliver enough vaccine to really get great coverage and places like fiji to value solomon islands and so on because the small populations and we can certainly devote enough vaccine there to get really great coverage the issues indonesia which is going too fast population as i said and chaotic health system in some parts and some of the islands massive cappella ago. So the question is what do you do. But indonesia howdy helping to nesia the sort of those. We could give would be a little bit of a drop in the ocean which require other nations to help out am and other suppliers to help heart.

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What makes a variant a variant of concern?

Coronacast

03:48 min | 1 year ago

What makes a variant a variant of concern?

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen tyler. An opposition and journalists culture. Norman swan friday the fifth of march and give it into the second year of corona caster. But it gives you the year it's two thousand and twenty one. It still hasn't anyone even though time is both flying and travelling at a snail's pace but normally one of the things that we keep hearing about over the past few weeks and months is variant. So we we were all very critical of donald trump when he was talking about the china virus and the wuhan virus. But then since then we've been talking about the uk strain in the south african strain. And then yesterday all this week we've been hearing about a russian variant. That's popped up in queensland. So firstly what does it even mean and secondly doing it a better way of naming these virus variance where we're gonna way of naming them. It's just pretty obscure so. The russian variance so called is has the numbers three one seven at the end of it and it is a bit unfair naming them according to where they were i noticed or discovered so britain said africa brazil. New york california russia. It's not very helpful at all because it just sparks. Fear yet. A new variant. What does it actually mean. There's lots and lots of variance. And if i can take us back. Just a little less than a year is that even then there were variants developing and people panicking about them at that point and the bedford lab. Which was really one of the first labs to get into sequencing the variance in tracking them. Globally they found that in fact there was very little change in behavior between the variants. It was more. The people change their behavior but not the virus and that's only recently changed and it's only changed with two or three variants so it's changed with the south african variants. It seems to probably be more Contagious and certainly more vaccine resistant. The brazilian variant. We still don't know enough about that but that looks as if it's more contagious. And certainly also look. Civic could be vaccine partly packed vaccine resistant. The uk one. It's more about contagious. Nece and the american ones so far just not sure what their behavioral changes so more and more. We're seeing various but for every one of these variants you're seeing that are lots and lots of other ones which simply track the evolution of the virus and don't really mean anything and reportedly this variant which is three one seven being called the russian variant. Just seems to be one of these variants which has been thrown off by the virus through replication. And probably doesn't mean very much at all so one of the other pieces of lingo that we've been hearing this idea variant of concern and some of the naming conventions have the are see in them as well as like there's the be one one seven top naming convention and then this other naming conventions which just makes it even more confusing. What makes a variant of very of concern versus just add variant of not concerned. Just curiosity is. I'm sure that that is actually standardized internationally but it would just mean that. There is evidence that it's transmitting more than other viruses muscling other viruses out the ways so for example. The uk barely has muscled other variance out of the way. It's presumed to be more contagious. But probably less contagious than we originally thought the brazilian very. We've talked about it on a corona cast. It seems to be infecting people who were previously infected with the let's call it the wuhan variant which is really the regional virus to come out of china and the south african variants is also almost certainly able to reinfect from the previous one which also and there is evidence of reduced vaccine. Efficacy is gets this concern label when there's evidence that it is behaving differently and potentially dangerously

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Are we going to meet our vaccination target or what?

Coronacast

04:57 min | 1 year ago

Are we going to meet our vaccination target or what?

"Hello this is karina. Cost a daily podcast. All about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen thailand physician and journalists dr norman swan. It's wednesday the third of march and norman. We're already more than a week into our vaccine. Roll out here in australia. Which makes us old hands at it now but there were reports over the past few days. That strategy hasn't quite met the targets that i was expecting to in terms of numbers. Vaccinations delivered in this first week. And we've got a pretty big target for october as being sort of the end of the roll out the end of the first big sizes of the rollout. What are some of the issues that have cropped up. I mean it's such early days. It feels a little unfair to stop critiquing the performance when we're on the awakened but what are some of the issues that have been identified as maybe slowing us down a bit. So far rove is clearly been a major cities of hiccups with the commonwealth rollout in aged care. As we've been saying in current cast in fact the main game is boorda. Workers airport workers flight crew and hotel quarantine workers and what we should be doing but we're not as their families in households. So that's the main game securing our borders. And doing that hyper quickly. And you've really got to do that with the vaccine because it's going to take you twelve weeks to complete it with the astra and it's not going to be as good coverage with the with the new variant possibility so there's been a cold up in aged care because the commonwealth doesn't run anything have his own services therefore they've got a contract they probably should have contracted it to the states. But they've going into private providers and been cups which have been well publicized so it's to take the commonwealth a bit of time to get their act together and also some of the states have been a little bit slow so this combination of supply of scene. But also as marion kane or imply. Just today the bookings haven't gone quite as quickly as they imagined. And they could cope with more bookings. And i think there's been a hint of that in some other jurisdictions so people have got to come forward when they're booked and have that but around the world there has been a problem with people. Not turning up for bookings people don't turn up for their appointments and that means that you have a system in place where you've got people on standby people that you can take a. We've got jobs over. can you. At five o'clock in unexpectedly get your vaccine. So we saw we had the new south wales primary gladys and yesterday criticizing the maybe lack of communication between the states and federal government. Is there improvements. That could be made there. Probably and the minister of sought yesterday to have a press conference which is probably in part induced. By the new south wales premier having criticized the federal government for not being clear with the doses. And how they're going to arrive. I mean i think some of the surprise here is that if i had a long time to develop this. And it's still not clear how the next phases are going to be rolled out how people are going to be told what booking system is going to be like. Gp is still not clear how they're going to work into it. They've had their letter saying they've been accepted as a as a center for you know the practice to deliver vaccines but even then the ph primary health. Networks are often not clear whether or not the four thousand six hundred practices are indeed the ones that will end up doing it. So there's a fair bit of uncertainty another area of uncertainties that third pretty good administration stopping doctors commenting on the relative efficacy of vaccines. Because they're calling it. Advertising saying the vaccine come to my practice sits behind that there's a lot influx. We'll get our act together. We're good immunizing country. People will come. Forward is just that. We don't want to lose momentum.

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On the front lines of Victoria's vaccine rollout

Coronacast

03:19 min | 1 year ago

On the front lines of Victoria's vaccine rollout

"I'm health reported teigen tayla opposition and journalists ultra. Norman swan is tuesday. The second of march and of course we know the vaccine rolette is happening all across australia and to give us a bit of an insight of how it's going in melbourne. We have a special guest today. Welcoming back professor marian kinda who's head of infectious diseases at western health. Thanks for making time. For us marian. Good morning so marian. Just give us a sense of what you've had to do and what you're covering and and the challenge at western health. We are responsible for the tolerant. Airports border on staff including flight crew as well as the hospitals in our catchment area. So that is. The pack will campus as well as western health and some other hospitals as well. You talk them at the time. Precious that have been anew with just mobilizing for these vaccine. Rollout lots of people in our organization have described as doing six months of work in three weeks. A lot of people put in a lot of effort to get this up and running. And i'm just so proud of what we have been able to achieve. Now we've heard a lot about training. How different is dealing with this pfizer. Vaccine from pooping call for measles australia. One of the major things which is different is one. This is an ultra. Low temperature require the cold chain requirements at different and in addition we have to use multi. Does files and in australia. Multi smiles have not been used much at all and this is a very very precious product and so we want to make sure that we maximise the number of doses that we can get out of a multi file so for the fis vaccine. That is that we aim to take out six doses out of fat multi file which is a challenge because we constantly do not have what a cold low dead space needles overloaded space syringes. That are family style absolutely great and they are able to reliably get sixty six out of multidex files. Solo did space. Needle is nato where. There's not a bit of a minimum amount of vaccine. That's left in it after it's been completely delib is correct correct and so we want to make sure with. Everybody gets exactly the dose that they need. And if you don't have a low dead space being you have vaccine that is lifting the end. The person does not get the full amount or you cannot get the full dose of the vaccine pulled out of the multi vile and you've got to go to w. correct so. This is a complex process. So i'll pharmacy staff. They spent one week specifically training for this to make sure that they abide by be cold chain requirements which has significant in addition to make sure that they use the proper aseptic technique. So that they don't have any contamination of vile that occurs and then they practiced and practiced and practiced to make sure with dummy vials to make sure that they could get the appropriate number of doses. Out of that multi vile.

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Will vaccines make a difference responding to the next outbreak?

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03:11 min | 1 year ago

Will vaccines make a difference responding to the next outbreak?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler and physician in journalists alter norman swan. It's the last corona cast of summer fridays. twenty-six yes. We are on the last current cost of summer. And i feel like i am. Maybe potentially jinxing us by talking about an outbreak. But let's talk about the scenario norman. Where if there was another outbreak in australia. Now that we've got vaccine in the country vaccine which we know is quite effective at preventing disease and infection. Would that change the way. We've been responding to outbreaks in the past year. Yes would and in fact. I think we were probably the first out. Let's talk about. It was called ring vaccination. And it's now part as far as i understand it over the national immunization or vaccinations strategy. So what you do is as you do your contact tracing you would ring-fence vaccination around the person who's got the disease and the people that have come in contact with and maybe even the people that they've come in contact with so primary contacts and secondary contacts and you would do that with the pfizer vaccine because you've got a strong response early and is only three weeks between doses so within three weeks you're fully immunized rather than the astro which might take twelve weeks to get up to that sort of level of antibody response and so a and it's a race against time so that you because the incubation periods five to eight days but what some of the research is showing is that you get an early response to particularly the pfizer vaccine. Maybe even the astro too so you get a pretty good resistance there early on so that would be a good way to respond to outbreaks prior to very large percentage of the population being covered. So when you vaccinate sometimes depending on the disease some vaccines take a couple of weeks before you get an immune response. But then there's other vaccines like rabies. Where if you get bitten and you think that there's a chance got exposed to rabies. They give you a vaccine then. Do we know what the fires a shot does. Whether it's the sort of vaccine that you can give after exposure and give you some protection while it is all about the maths which is the incubation period versus the time for the vaccine to work so smallpox that's how they controlled. Smallpox control smallpox by massimo. Certainly helped but in places such as africa they controlled it by ringfencing and controlling the spread from that and so they find they find a case a main they ring vaccinated around the person with smallpox. So that in for anybody who might have contact come in contact with that person was protected and in that case the vaccine for for the smallpox vaccine worked faster than the incubation period of smallpox. In this case it's lying ball but it's worth doing because it's likely that you would get a responsibility and you're doing two things by this ring. Fencing are ring vaccination. I should call it. You are protecting somebody against severe covid. Nineteen disease the second thing you'd be doing is trying to prevent transmission and you'd hope those two things go hand in hand is a bit of evidence from israel that they do but it's not strong

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When will I know when I can go and get a vaccine?

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02:42 min | 1 year ago

When will I know when I can go and get a vaccine?

"Hello this is corona cast a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen tyler physician and journalists culture. Norman swan choosy the twenty third of february the second day of national immunization. That's right and we've had saw so many questions from audience about how the vaccine role it's gonna work how you're gonna know when it's your turn in the queue and rather than us answering those questions we thought we'd bring in loren roberts who's a health report at one of our colleagues in the abc science unit because lauren's been looking into the vaccine rolette and how it's gonna work and she's here to answer your questions. Welcome lauren thank you good morning. Carl orange relief is test. Somebody on carcass cass. She knows what they're talking about talking about. I'm talking about the okay. Whatever lauren. let's get straight into it. We've got dolores asking. She's just by heggie practice and they have no idea how the vaccine is going to be rolled out. They waited eight weeks for their flu vaccine last year. What are the logistics. That are involved in the vaccine. Rollout will because there's lots of different phases when not certain about how people are going to be notified through the light rollout. So we're talking about rollouts gonna happen in the latter half of this year. We do know that people that are included in the phase. One eight of the vaccine rollout. So that's i care. Workers people that are currently living in h care. Quarantine workers a lot of these people. They're going to be told by the employer and have the coronavirus vaccine lined up by their employer and then probably get the vaccine at work so people that can h care for example. They'll probably get their vaccine de but it's the latest stages that we're not too sure about. We know that there's a good chance that will eventually be up to register online to get the coronavirus vaccine. I'm but at this stage there is to register. It's a little bit of a white and say so just to be clear. Lauren and give us a flavor as well. In israel people were contacted because they had the electronic health records in the insurance public insurance companies. You're saying is that this whole strategy is going to rely on us registering and then seeing how we qualify at. What stage of the priority list. But it's important thing now to just make sure your medicare details up tonight And if you can have it linked to you my gov and then we know that the federal government has spent about thirty one million dollars in a public information campaign and a lot of the details about the light of rollout which moisture israeliens going to be included in is going to be coming out there so it'll be posted. tv campaigns. That'll be a lot of information on the website but right now it's just that fight that we really nari. They are going to be getting their vaccine soon. We know that they can probably be finding out through their employer but everyone else. We're kind of just going to have to wait and say

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When might we see more cases in WA's outbreak?

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05:13 min | 1 year ago

When might we see more cases in WA's outbreak?

"Hello welcome to khurana. Cost a daily podcast. All about the coronavirus. I'm health reported taken tyler physician and journalist alter norman swan. It's tuesday the second february. That's right and the second day of perth and surrounds his five die lockdown which they've gone into because arto quarantine worker has tested positive for. What's now being confirmed to be the strain of coronavirus. That's being called the uk strain and so norman. Seeing a five looked down. We know that it takes longer than five days for the virus to incubate in. Someone's body so i can. We talk about what you do when you're trying to control of virus in its very early stages where you'd have to say first of all five days. He's actually at the lower end of the of the incubation period. So it's almost one incubation period. Not quite so. The there are key elements of control. I is social. Distancing and lockdown is an extreme form of social distancing where you don't know where the viruses remember. This farce is not spread evenly. Eighty percent of people don't spread the virus twenty percent do and they do through clusters so this man has been all over paris. he's been may lands. Which is where he lives. He's been joondalup far north. He's been in the city and so at any one of the so he might not be a superspreader himself but he might have spread to other people who then pass it on a super spreading environment like we saw in sydney. So that's that's the problem is that you get these clusters. And the classics stay underground for a while before they burst out and reveal themselves. And that's the prospect so what they're doing here is the right thing is that they're clamping down on social distancing so the virus cannot spread any further than it already has or you minimize that so. That's one element. The second element is testing and testing has got to be in really large numbers of west australian tens of thousands. So that just in case you there's a case out there that you're not finding you just want to be sure that you're really massively testing in chance that something is out there in a random way and people have caught it where we're at surprise not just in the contact areas where you might have been in coz in mayland or or wherever so. He's talking about testing nine omen but we have seen a lot of testing and they haven't been any more cases least as of yesterday. And i think that this man might have been infected around the twenty-fifth so we're may be getting into a timeframe where we could be saying positives. Yes but the testing rates are just gathering in numbers so the weren't that many tests yesterday for a city of six million people so it got really multiply to maybe ten times that number of tests. I think there were three thousand or tests reported overnight. So that's that was only in half a day so the numbers of just got to ramp up. Then the next thing is that which is about contact tracing so the already got onto the contact tracing identified sixty or seventy people so far context. Those people have got to be quarantined regardless of their status. Because they're the most likely people who are going to become positive and in the northern beaches of sydney a very significant. I can't coach the numbers. But a very significant percentage of people who became positive in that in the clusters that remarriage from the northern beaches positive in quarantine. They were already isolated for fourteen days. So you don't want people becoming positive and about you wanted to become positive when they're home in quarantine or hotel quarantine so those are the elements of control and if it goes size the strategy or queensland then there won't be any more cases they'll have identified them under control and it may not be necessary to go the full five days but it just allows you to get things under control contact tracers to get on top of it and five days is much better than a grumbling. Thing which you really paralyzes the city for for days and days and days if not weeks which is what happened in was the under control done a great job but it lasted a long time and right through christmas so it is looked down. When are we gonna have good indication of whether we're good or whether it's more of an outbreak large testing numbers. Not finding anybody. So let's take some questions from our audience This person saying they've heard that a vaccinated senator in the us has been infected with covid after getting shot. And we know that there's a proportion of people who become infected that have ongoing health issues. Do we know whether someone who's had the coronavirus vaccine is more or less or the same amount likely to get long term health problems from covid. We don't know that yet. there is an right. There is a relationship between severity infection in vancouver but people who get mild infection do get it as well so we don't know the answer to that question. We'll only know as the months go by often when people get infected is after the first does the second does. And that's been the situation in israel as well so you do get partial protection but not for protection so that we don't we just don't know the answer to that question

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Is WA overreacting by locking down so much?

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04:13 min | 1 year ago

Is WA overreacting by locking down so much?

"Hello this is. Corona cast a daily podcast. All about the coronavirus. I'm health reported teigen. Tulloch position journalist alter norman swan. It's monday the first of february. That's right and yesterday. We were mocking the longest stretch. Nationwide without any luck transmission since february last year was fourteen consecutive days. But we've seen that stretch broken With a case announced in western australia yesterday norman male cortel quarantine security guard in his twenties. Who was working at the sheraton four points quarantine hotel and w i has not surprisingly jumped really hot on the web announced a really tough five lockdown basically. No one's going anywhere for five days until they figure out what's going on so one case and a really tough five day lockdown. Is this an overreaction. Or is this the right level of reaction. No i think it's the right level of reaction and the mandatory masks as well and they've just done everything to get this under control. It's one person but this person's been to a lot of different areas potentially a lot of contacts. Luckily so far his flatmates were are negative and they would be the people most at risk so the may well be very little if any spread here. But you just don't know and it's possible that he's got the uk variant of the virus since the uk very was on. That was on the floor of the people. He was speaking after him so one of the things they're doing is they're canceling weddings for the next five days like you say this Mosques are expected to be in place and a lot of other measures that have been put into place in norman. You've said basically since the very start of this podcast. If people can bear the cost him on set far back that the way to get on top of these fires is to go in hard into going to ease their limit to the hardness and early. Nece that you are prepared to endorse. This is still within your your realm if you want to control this virus. There's only one thing that works when you really when you when you don't know where the virus is and that is a longtime which stops people coming in contact with each other and running the risk of spreading the virus. You got to keep the virus away from other people. So the lockdown is what works now. There's no question. As new south wales has shown that guerrilla good contact tracing high testing ritz contact tracing. An isolationist required does make a difference and can get under control. But that's taken weeks in new south wales when there's been no uk variant the uk variant as people listening to chronic will know eddie homes on from the university of sydney a little while ago. Is that the wuhan. Virus spreads from one person to about two point five the uk variant spreads from one person to about three point four. That's probably the best way of thinking about it. Robin the percentage is a fifty percent or seventy percent more contagious so it is a lot more contagious and remember. This is a virus that spreads in clusters rather than evenly spread through the community. That's why these venues are so important to come to actually pin down get tested. Who were at those venues at those times published by the west australian government so it could be like southeasterly korea and queensland where it turned out to be a fisher on nice vizner to have and they're able to lift the lockdown early and that's great but a three four or five day locked on is much better than some stopping and starting not controlling the the virus which is what they've done and look what happens and the other problem and w. unlike new south wales and unlike victoria is they haven't had any community spread for ages knives since early be early last year and so people had returned to normal soon. Can't expect them to kind of do half of a social isolation process. You've really got to pull the whole population back. And then just your sees it up for five days and the you know the good news is likely to be that there hasn't spread but it's possible has in which case just got to give under

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

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04:05 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health reported. Teigen tayla journalist alter norman swan. It's thursday the twenty first of january. That's right and early this morning at least australian time joe biden has been sworn into office the new president and before he took office he was really clear that he wanted to be very tough on coronavirus but the scale of the pandemic in that states is just massive. Yesterday they passed a mall. Start four hundred thousand deaths. The pace of the spread really isn't slowing down. Is it actually possible to for joe biden to get the pandemic under control and if so what is it going to take well as going to take a lot and we just should not in passing. Yesterday's really moving ceremony at the mall commemorating the deaths or honoring the deaths of of the more than four hundred thousand people who've died of covid nineteen now and you'd have to say that's a number that's been largely preventable <hes>. To a very significant stint of america had got its act together early on and just a very brief run through of the disaster that unfolded in the united states where they knew it was coming. Were in contact with the chinese. It didn't have a test that worked. The cdc was insisting that people use their tests. The food and drug administration was being very slow in approving new tests. People in washington state public health officials in washington state. Were tearing their hair out because they knew it was spreading in washington state and they had no national coordination of testing over testing infrastructure and just spread and spread and spread under the radar. People didn't know how much there was around and there were unreasonable restrictions on who could be tested so all on top of fragmented system with no leadership president trump constantly trying to minimize the problem and avoid it and undermined the people who were advising him and they jettisoned at the beginning of the trump administration. The jettison the obama pandemic plan win the game plan to pandemic in two thousand and nineteen year or so before the pandemic they found that it was wanting <hes>. they didn't they. Were not ready for it. And the national stock pow was depleted. You can't imagine a bigger cluster of problems than they had in the united states. So what can biden do so. The first thing he's intending do is amp up vaccination rates considerably by creating you infrastructure for vaccination around the country remember. There's no infrastructure of general practice of coordinated healthcare systems in the united states. So you've got to set something up in parallel. So he's devoted a lot of money to that because apparently of the thirty million doses that have been distributed in the united states. Only a fraction have actually been administered extrordinary situation again with very restricted rules about who can be immunized not an does it does reports of doses going to waste so even dozes. They're supposed to being given have not been given an actually have been thrown in the bucket. The other thing that he's going to do is create a national testing infrastructure. Sin factory coordinator testing nationwide. Don't believe it or not having have have at the moment and then there's mass mandatory mask wearing in federal property which is really the only power i think that the president has and to encourage mask-wearing around the country. But reality is that only a severe and very long lockdown we'll get this under control while the pandemic spreads and it will spread for a long time while they are immunizing. It's going to be a long time before this is coming. This comes under control. So essentially the biden administration is doing nothing. Fancy is doing stuff that's just basic controlling pandemic starting on the back foot really like in some ways the trump administration they were the ones that have allowed the vaccine to get up in such a short amount of time but so many of the other parts of the public health response there have have put them in a disadvantage. Now yes you can see that and we confronting this as well in australia. It's not just enough to have the technology the vaccine you've got to have the means of distributing it

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The huge coronavirus challenge facing America's new President

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04:05 min | 1 year ago

The huge coronavirus challenge facing America's new President

"I'm health reported. Teigen tayla journalist alter norman swan. It's thursday the twenty first of january. That's right and early this morning at least australian time joe biden has been sworn into office the new president and before he took office he was really clear that he wanted to be very tough on coronavirus but the scale of the pandemic in that states is just massive. Yesterday they passed a mall. Start four hundred thousand deaths. The pace of the spread really isn't slowing down. Is it actually possible to for joe biden to get the pandemic under control and if so what is it going to take well as going to take a lot and we just should not in passing. Yesterday's really moving ceremony at the mall commemorating the deaths or honoring the deaths of of the more than four hundred thousand people who've died of covid nineteen now and you'd have to say that's a number that's been largely preventable To a very significant stint of america had got its act together early on and just a very brief run through of the disaster that unfolded in the united states where they knew it was coming. Were in contact with the chinese. It didn't have a test that worked. The cdc was insisting that people use their tests. The food and drug administration was being very slow in approving new tests. People in washington state public health officials in washington state. Were tearing their hair out because they knew it was spreading in washington state and they had no national coordination of testing over testing infrastructure and just spread and spread and spread under the radar. People didn't know how much there was around and there were unreasonable restrictions on who could be tested so all on top of fragmented system with no leadership president trump constantly trying to minimize the problem and avoid it and undermined the people who were advising him and they jettisoned at the beginning of the trump administration. The jettison the obama pandemic plan win the game plan to pandemic in two thousand and nineteen year or so before the pandemic they found that it was wanting they didn't they. Were not ready for it. And the national stock pow was depleted. You can't imagine a bigger cluster of problems than they had in the united states. So what can biden do so. The first thing he's intending do is amp up vaccination rates considerably by creating you infrastructure for vaccination around the country remember. There's no infrastructure of general practice of coordinated healthcare systems in the united states. So you've got to set something up in parallel. So he's devoted a lot of money to that because apparently of the thirty million doses that have been distributed in the united states. Only a fraction have actually been administered extrordinary situation again with very restricted rules about who can be immunized not an does it does reports of doses going to waste so even dozes. They're supposed to being given have not been given an actually have been thrown in the bucket. The other thing that he's going to do is create a national testing infrastructure. Sin factory coordinator testing nationwide. Don't believe it or not having have have at the moment and then there's mass mandatory mask wearing in federal property which is really the only power i think that the president has and to encourage mask-wearing around the country. But reality is that only a severe and very long lockdown we'll get this under control while the pandemic spreads and it will spread for a long time while they are immunizing. It's going to be a long time before this is coming. This comes under control. So essentially the biden administration is doing nothing. Fancy is doing stuff that's just basic controlling pandemic starting on the back foot really like in some ways the trump administration they were the ones that have allowed the vaccine to get up in such a short amount of time but so many of the other parts of the public health response there have have put them in a disadvantage. Now yes you can see that and we confronting this as well in australia. It's not just enough to have the technology the vaccine you've got to have the means of distributing it

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The great big coronavirus balancing act of Christmas 2020

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03:30 min | 1 year ago

The great big coronavirus balancing act of Christmas 2020

"I'm health reported. Teigen tyler physician and journalist author norman swan. It's the twenty fourth of december. Christmas eve and in new south wales at least looking at some slightly revised restrictions over the next few days for christmas which depending on how you look at it as a welcome reprieve for people who really want to see their family and friends or an opportunity for the virus to spread. Yes i mean. That's everybody's fear that. Christmas is a sporting event. Will it is if it's the viruses circulating so what they've decided to do as anybody. Listening on the northern beaches will know is. They've divided the northern beaches area in to a southern region and bet scott's slightly lower restrictions that are similar to greater sydney. Except that they're they're not allowed to leave but people can come in for christmas day. Boxing day on the twenty seventh but with the northern beaches There's still nobody going in and out of people are coming round. It's only people from a from that area from the northern part of the northern beaches and they're not re- relaxing restrictions on greater sydney. So yep we are letting things go a little bit but not a lot you balance the risk of the virus spreading with giving people freedom to go and celebrate christmas as they want to like. There's going to be places where the risk of the virus spreading is hire and other places where it's low and maybe it's not fair to just look everyone up in this under the same tough restrictions out of an abundance of caution well while most cases are traceable back to the northern beaches outbreak there are still cases in the eastern suburbs of sydney in the northern suburbs and the western suburbs and those cases grow albeit slowly. So there's there's actually a fair question to ask is why restrict this to Northern beaches when there are problems in other areas and i think the statistic here is how much unknown spread. Is there in new south wales. There's not very much but there is a bit so there's a risk elsewhere so they can't let up too much and there is a calculated risk in three days of slightly lower restrictions in order for people to circulate by the trying to limit that circulation in terms of high risk areas in northern laura's carriers but the still a potential for a super spreading event which we would only find out about five to ten days after christmas so this the toughest restrictions are in the northern beaches northern part of the northern beaches. Like you just said norman. But is the risk confined to that area because we've seen cases popping up in other parts of sydney as well though. The risk is not confined to that area. It's just highest risk. Just makes sense that there's more most of the viruses circulating circulating in the northern beaches. And what they're saying is circulating in the northern part of the northern beaches but viruses circulating in greater sydney each day there are more cases outside not very many more but there are few cases in the eastern suburbs of sydney. There are some in western suburbs and in northern suburbs so they just slowly grow still linked. But i mean for example if you take one. Daily is an italian deli stroke cafe in paddington called elementary. There's already been a secondary case from there. So now you've got a chain of transmission in that particular cafe which has gone from what i understand to be a hairdressing salon to somebody who worked in that cafe who then has inadvertently spread that to somebody else. We don't know whether it's a customer or a staff member

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Four leaks in three weeks - what's going wrong?

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02:40 min | 1 year ago

Four leaks in three weeks - what's going wrong?

"I'm health reported teigen thailand physician and journalists dr norman swan. It is wednesday the twenty third of december a couple of days from christmas and at least in the greatest sydney area. A lot of people are looking at the christmas that they were planning. Obviously we're watching the case numbers in the northern beaches of sydney really closely. But let's just zoom that for a second and look at what's been happening in the last three or four weeks in that area because it's been more than one leak out of quarantaine. There's been four leaks in three weeks as far as we can see but before we get onto that what we want to say. Corrina cast is. Take our hats off to another wearing hats right at this moment but really dolph our caps to the contact tracers in new south wales. I mean they're just unbelievable. They've got this dying to eight cases yes there are still fairly significant issues. Were pressed upon. Because it's christmas coming up but it's it's an astounding. Effort really is incredibly impressive. As we come with christmas we should just anybody who lives in new south. Wales should really just be thanking the contact tracers for such a fabulous job. They're doing and they're really onto this and the miracles that diamond diamond class contact tracing. I'm sure that that's right. It is really really impressive. Diet hug contact tracers but definitely give them the covid safety stints round of applause if he can absolutely so. Yeah something is going wrong. There's no question about that. There are no as you say four cases so what are. There's the man who drove the bus at the airport with an overseas aircrew from the airport. There's now a nurse who caught it again zoll all going on report a transporting people who were on well third case. This is not necessarily chronological order. Who was not law. Who was right about the time of the van driver to cleaner hotel again. With aircrew in the hotel she was the first and then there was the. There's the the northern beaches outbreak which almost certainly is from somebody who came in from overseas yet to be determined aircrew. Somebody who left hotel. Quarantine booster positive. Who knows what that was. But we don't know that yet so four things going wrong and the genomics. There is showing that they are different points of entry. Yes except as we record current cast. We don't know what the genomics were or was sure with a singular plural on the on the nurse so we don't know what the source of battle laws be presumed that it was different from the others so yes there are different viruses causing this probably from different places from the bus driver and the nurse looks as though the The transportation is high

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Why are we still waiting for travel bubbles?

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03:08 min | 1 year ago

Why are we still waiting for travel bubbles?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler and opposition and journalists filter norman swan it's choosy fifteenth of december and for anyone who has loved person who lives overseas. Which i think is most of us. where all kind of wondering when we can open up the borders again yesterday norman. We heard that new zealand is okay with having a travel bubble relationship with ustralia. But there's still some other hurdles that they want to jump through i. What's the delay. And why aren't we seeing. Travel bubbles opening up with more countries where we could. Interestingly china could be one of the countries that we do. Singapore were done at very low levels. Taiwan not south korea anymore Once upon a time you might have thought south korea so there are a few places in the world. The pacific islands who desperate in indeed of our tourism dollars so there are a few places which have our virus or very very small amounts of virus circulating. I don't know what new zealand is waiting for. I mean we've got virtually no disease spreading in the community nor infections spending the community hotel quarantine. Yes but they've got quarantine to maybe they just wanna see us being tested again for a little while just to see how we were going case. We're lax about hotel quarantine that might be what's going on there with new zealand but we could open up right now at an incredibly low risk. The problem is is that it's a bit like sex ak go on next to party talk. This is my now so we what we're talking about here. Is this the all sorts of sexually transmissible diseases. When have sex with somebody. You actually having sex with everybody else. They've had they've had sex with and the virus got something else. You can contract that. That's the problem here with travel. Bubbles is wayne you get into bed sexual analogy with a country. You're getting into bed with all the countries they've got a relationship with in terms of air travel bubbles or how they do it so new zealand is is pretty safe. There's strict as we are in terms of who's coming in and going into hotel quarantine and therefore you can be pretty sure that their border is not is not loose and therefore at risk. Singapore is another issue and the pacific islands are if they're not careful about their borders or somebody's not transit. Here be careful. somebody's not just transiting through. Singapore and singapore becomes a way station for people trying to get into australia. The back door and that requires just filthy. Mine teagan just to yourself. I stopped analogy a while ago. And you're just key ongoing planet to say to him ahead anyway. That's the that's the risk to be sure that their border controls because essentially it's only as safe as their borders and if their borders are open effectively. You're opening the borders to australia vibe. Whatever country we have the bubble with so it's pretty safe with new zealand pretty safe with the pacific islands. There's probably a lot of negotiation before you do it with singapore. I would thought very safe with taiwan very unsafe with almost anywhere else in the

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

04:01 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health reported teigen tyler an opposition and journalists alter norman swan wednesday the ninth of december. And it's episode. Two hundred of the corona cast so when we hit the one hundredth episode. We buy setback and went. Oh my gosh. We never thought we'd get to one hundred two hundred. I know it was like two hundred years two hundred days. Well it feels like a silent day to answer these questions from dane. Who says what do you think is the most important thing we've learned about. Nineteen in the last year and if we had a time over again what would we do differently. Well let's do something different. You answer that first to you. Know what i think. At an individual level we would have been more mentally prepared for the challenges of these. See the personal challenges of these see but from an infection control perspective especially in australia <hes>. Harto corinthian outbreaks notwithstanding. I really do think that we have done an incredible job of keeping levels of the virus incredibly low in australia when we say overseas. What could have been here in australia if we hadn't taken that really hard stance from the beginning. So here's what. I think we would do differently. So the first thing. I'll start is internationally and this is a wishlist. I wish that we had had a more cooperative world when the virus hit if we'd had a more cooperative world you know. This is just wishful thinking but we had a habit of world without authoritarian fragile leaders in china russia and the united states. This would be a very different pandemic. in fact it may never even escape from china because they would have dealt with it transparently and they would have controlled it than they would have told people about it and they're told people about it in december. They're abroad in international help into wuhan market and checked where come from and the world would have pulled together on china's behalf and helped china out but we came into an environment where nations were operating by themselves and it was every state for themselves. And that's the sex. The ground for the pandemic so do differently do international relations differently. The biology of a pandemic organism is almost the least important part of that organism of the pandemic loss of different organisms can cause pandemics. It's human behavior that causes the pandemic so the way we live the way we act. Politics works so international travel works. That's what creates a pandemic what we would do. Differently is have a world that's more pandemic aware and aware of their behavior and aware of the broader implications beyond beyond the personal. That's what i would do differently than international level. The wild thing about that is that if we had done that we never would have nine. What scale of crisis. We would have averted but we do know that. This isn't going to be the last pandemic pathogen that if we ever encounter and saw are we need to take these lessons going forward so that the next pandemic is a fisa like this one should main. I'm a comeback to something. We said on corona cast probably in march march april the of the beginning when prevention works. Nothing happens and so the most important thing we've learned we should have learnt is or if you went back in time is that the general community knows that when you actually have prevention working nothing happens. So that's a lesson for everything and we're facing catastrophe with climate change but it's a slow moving catastrophe and if we actually act on climate change not very much will happen and that's what you actually want to happen. So people talk about all paul early in the seventy s sixty s and seventy s doomsayers population and. so on. The are all wrong because nothing happened. Nothing happened because people did some stuff about that sort of thing and of course nothing happened. So what we learn from this is successful. Prevention is dull and boring because nothing happens. There's no drama.

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It's coronavirus do-over time. What would we do differently?

Coronacast

04:01 min | 1 year ago

It's coronavirus do-over time. What would we do differently?

"I'm health reported teigen tyler an opposition and journalists alter norman swan wednesday the ninth of december. And it's episode. Two hundred of the corona cast so when we hit the one hundredth episode. We buy setback and went. Oh my gosh. We never thought we'd get to one hundred two hundred. I know it was like two hundred years two hundred days. Well it feels like a silent day to answer these questions from dane. Who says what do you think is the most important thing we've learned about. Nineteen in the last year and if we had a time over again what would we do differently. Well let's do something different. You answer that first to you. Know what i think. At an individual level we would have been more mentally prepared for the challenges of these. See the personal challenges of these see but from an infection control perspective especially in australia Harto corinthian outbreaks notwithstanding. I really do think that we have done an incredible job of keeping levels of the virus incredibly low in australia when we say overseas. What could have been here in australia if we hadn't taken that really hard stance from the beginning. So here's what. I think we would do differently. So the first thing. I'll start is internationally and this is a wishlist. I wish that we had had a more cooperative world when the virus hit if we'd had a more cooperative world you know. This is just wishful thinking but we had a habit of world without authoritarian fragile leaders in china russia and the united states. This would be a very different pandemic. in fact it may never even escape from china because they would have dealt with it transparently and they would have controlled it than they would have told people about it and they're told people about it in december. They're abroad in international help into wuhan market and checked where come from and the world would have pulled together on china's behalf and helped china out but we came into an environment where nations were operating by themselves and it was every state for themselves. And that's the sex. The ground for the pandemic so do differently do international relations differently. The biology of a pandemic organism is almost the least important part of that organism of the pandemic loss of different organisms can cause pandemics. It's human behavior that causes the pandemic so the way we live the way we act. Politics works so international travel works. That's what creates a pandemic what we would do. Differently is have a world that's more pandemic aware and aware of their behavior and aware of the broader implications beyond beyond the personal. That's what i would do differently than international level. The wild thing about that is that if we had done that we never would have nine. What scale of crisis. We would have averted but we do know that. This isn't going to be the last pandemic pathogen that if we ever encounter and saw are we need to take these lessons going forward so that the next pandemic is a fisa like this one should main. I'm a comeback to something. We said on corona cast probably in march march april the of the beginning when prevention works. Nothing happens and so the most important thing we've learned we should have learnt is or if you went back in time is that the general community knows that when you actually have prevention working nothing happens. So that's a lesson for everything and we're facing catastrophe with climate change but it's a slow moving catastrophe and if we actually act on climate change not very much will happen and that's what you actually want to happen. So people talk about all paul early in the seventy s sixty s and seventy s doomsayers population and. so on. The are all wrong because nothing happened. Nothing happened because people did some stuff about that sort of thing and of course nothing happened. So what we learn from this is successful. Prevention is dull and boring because nothing happens. There's no drama.

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

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05:08 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"I'm health reported teigen. Tayla journalists dr norman swan. It's friday the fourth of december and norman. Just as we felt like we were getting on top of the south australian outbreak and everything was coming towards what felt like it could have been an even keel in australia. We've heard that there's been another case of hotel. Quarantine being transmitted to someone who isn't in hotel quarantine this time a domestic worker at a hotel in sydney. How do we deal with these scholley. That just an inevitable part of leaving during a pandemic so how do we deal with them when they happen. So far starts new the caveat that the time of recording this corona cast. We've only got partial information. More information will know marriage but this is going to happen from time to time. Not just in new south wales but elsewhere initially. It sounded disorders persons working across two facilities. It may just actually look located facility. You'll remember in victoria. People are strictly working in one. They are going to genomics just to work out. Where exactly this person got up from. Is it hotel quarantine order. They get it from the community again by the time you just as we the answer to that question nonetheless when you test workers in quota quarantine regularly you will pick up positive cases and you might pick up positive cases that are relatively mildly symptomatic or symtomatic. The otherwise card. So it's a good thing that we are detecting them and hopefully we're getting onto very quickly and they are testing the context of this person so we just need to see what happens here. But it's going to a car and we're bringing people overseas with coronavirus. This is gonna is gonna occur in all jurisdictions and nobody can look done new south wales or victoria or anywhere else. This is now going to be part of covid life moving forward and presumably as long as we are surveilling. That really closely. There's no need to go into full lockdown mired if you're picking up those cases very close to the source that's right and you wills has had outbreaks and quite significant outbreaks managed to bring them back down to zero. So this is going to be the same thing i can't. I can't imagine that this is going to be a problem of the dimensions. Of say. The purview cluster in south australia. But who knows. We'll see that. Knock allowing the premier. Wis necessarily did say that he wouldn't hesitate to close the borders again. Norman you give up on your dream of seeing caucus no. I'm still hoping that <hes>. Run a me hotel. Quarantine new south wales or not. Well the other big coronavirus news. It's that in the last thirty six hours or so is that the uk is going to roll out the final vaccine really exciting to have real life people getting real vaccine at the end of this really really long pandemic approval so it's not a proper approval obviously just on a dive to make sure there's no major safety issues and the risk versus equation given how many cases get the uk favors just using this vaccine. They reckon the risk is low but they they will not have really looked at the data from the trials in any great detail. This point so it looks as if it's safe will it prevent infection. We don't know that yet it. May it certainly will prevent covid nineteen disease which is great given. You've had so many deaths in the uk and for us. It means that we shouldn't be rushing at all. We're not in an emergency situation. We'd almost no virus in australia apart from hotel quarantine and we can wait and we can let the british to be blunt. The british and the americans make mistakes learn how to distribute it double check that it's safe when they've given it to millions of people over the next few weeks and we will will put us much better shape from when we implement so the approval for the visor vaccine. Maybe some of the others will be over the next six weeks maybe longer. And then it's that we will do it properly. We actually talked about that in a bit more detail in yesterday's episode of corona cost. So if you're interested go back and check that one out. The other thing. Norman that i could say a very popular new story yesterday about someone who'd had sips associated with covid nineteen and he seemed to have a really dramatic recovery because of a massive dose vitamin say. What do we make of this not march. We'd be my first response was fantastic for the patient. It's a one off. There's no randomize ation here. People will argue that. You don't need a randomized trial with a parachute in other words. Prove parachute works. You wouldn't do a randomized trial parachute works. You try it out. So here's somebody that they thought was gonna die. Didn't die from mega doses of vitamin c. They'll think that they know what. The mechanism is presumably. They'll say that it's because it says potent antioxidant and it's doing something for the free radicals that may not be the case. Very high doses of vitamin c are actually pro. Oxidant and i suspect that if this works they haven't got a clue why but it might be a signal that you would actually test this out in people over on a larger scale to see what's going on so

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Here we go again? More problems with hotel quarantine

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05:08 min | 1 year ago

Here we go again? More problems with hotel quarantine

"I'm health reported teigen. Tayla journalists dr norman swan. It's friday the fourth of december and norman. Just as we felt like we were getting on top of the south australian outbreak and everything was coming towards what felt like it could have been an even keel in australia. We've heard that there's been another case of hotel. Quarantine being transmitted to someone who isn't in hotel quarantine this time a domestic worker at a hotel in sydney. How do we deal with these scholley. That just an inevitable part of leaving during a pandemic so how do we deal with them when they happen. So far starts new the caveat that the time of recording this corona cast. We've only got partial information. More information will know marriage but this is going to happen from time to time. Not just in new south wales but elsewhere initially. It sounded disorders persons working across two facilities. It may just actually look located facility. You'll remember in victoria. People are strictly working in one. They are going to genomics just to work out. Where exactly this person got up from. Is it hotel quarantine order. They get it from the community again by the time you just as we the answer to that question nonetheless when you test workers in quota quarantine regularly you will pick up positive cases and you might pick up positive cases that are relatively mildly symptomatic or symtomatic. The otherwise card. So it's a good thing that we are detecting them and hopefully we're getting onto very quickly and they are testing the context of this person so we just need to see what happens here. But it's going to a car and we're bringing people overseas with coronavirus. This is gonna is gonna occur in all jurisdictions and nobody can look done new south wales or victoria or anywhere else. This is now going to be part of covid life moving forward and presumably as long as we are surveilling. That really closely. There's no need to go into full lockdown mired if you're picking up those cases very close to the source that's right and you wills has had outbreaks and quite significant outbreaks managed to bring them back down to zero. So this is going to be the same thing i can't. I can't imagine that this is going to be a problem of the dimensions. Of say. The purview cluster in south australia. But who knows. We'll see that. Knock allowing the premier. Wis necessarily did say that he wouldn't hesitate to close the borders again. Norman you give up on your dream of seeing caucus no. I'm still hoping that Run a me hotel. Quarantine new south wales or not. Well the other big coronavirus news. It's that in the last thirty six hours or so is that the uk is going to roll out the final vaccine really exciting to have real life people getting real vaccine at the end of this really really long pandemic approval so it's not a proper approval obviously just on a dive to make sure there's no major safety issues and the risk versus equation given how many cases get the uk favors just using this vaccine. They reckon the risk is low but they they will not have really looked at the data from the trials in any great detail. This point so it looks as if it's safe will it prevent infection. We don't know that yet it. May it certainly will prevent covid nineteen disease which is great given. You've had so many deaths in the uk and for us. It means that we shouldn't be rushing at all. We're not in an emergency situation. We'd almost no virus in australia apart from hotel quarantine and we can wait and we can let the british to be blunt. The british and the americans make mistakes learn how to distribute it double check that it's safe when they've given it to millions of people over the next few weeks and we will will put us much better shape from when we implement so the approval for the visor vaccine. Maybe some of the others will be over the next six weeks maybe longer. And then it's that we will do it properly. We actually talked about that in a bit more detail in yesterday's episode of corona cost. So if you're interested go back and check that one out. The other thing. Norman that i could say a very popular new story yesterday about someone who'd had sips associated with covid nineteen and he seemed to have a really dramatic recovery because of a massive dose vitamin say. What do we make of this not march. We'd be my first response was fantastic for the patient. It's a one off. There's no randomize ation here. People will argue that. You don't need a randomized trial with a parachute in other words. Prove parachute works. You wouldn't do a randomized trial parachute works. You try it out. So here's somebody that they thought was gonna die. Didn't die from mega doses of vitamin c. They'll think that they know what. The mechanism is presumably. They'll say that it's because it says potent antioxidant and it's doing something for the free radicals that may not be the case. Very high doses of vitamin c are actually pro. Oxidant and i suspect that if this works they haven't got a clue why but it might be a signal that you would actually test this out in people over on a larger scale to see what's going on so

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As restrictions lift, some tips to stay COVID free

Coronacast

03:40 min | 1 year ago

As restrictions lift, some tips to stay COVID free

"I'm health reported teigen tayla and journalists daughter norman swan it's thursday the third of december and it's really ex- encouraging to say all around australia. Different restrictions is starting to lift. We sort of feel like we're coming into a different phase of this weird pandemic that we've had but when not out of the woods yet away so what sorts of things are we. Okay to sort of go okay. We're not going this hard on these restrictions anymore. And what things should we continue to do. Well the first thing. I'd say is to coronas listeners. We'd love to hear from you. What do you think once covered nine thousand nine hundred over. What will stay with you in terms of change behavior. Will you wear masks outside. We mask when you've got cold symptoms when you don't have to be tested anymore. We're gonna elbow each other. Ravin shake hands or we kissy kissy to complete strangers. You'll tell us what's going we'd love to hear from you. What changes you think you're gonna make in the long term because the memory of this pandemic will live with us forever and one of the weeds. Silver linings about this year has been that while we've been very distant from each other and there's been a big shadow over the year. We've also had less of the other diseases that we would just consider to be normal especially threat. Uinta wireless calls and flew seem to be circulating these ca compared to previous is so then the question is what do we do. Before fully immunized assuming immunization prevents transmission and that could be a year from now. It might take a long time or could be remarkably fast but nonetheless. We're still got a few months to go. We are not going to get vaccines probably to march being brought rolled out. We don't have the urgency of the united states and in person might come back to that a little bit onto more on tomorrow's current cast so kind to your question. I think at the moment if you get symptoms. You should be coming forward for testing. That's gotta stay with us right through and we're all fully immunized that can't change. I think that's not getting into spaces. That are too crowded unless you really have to being wary of poorly ventilated spaces. Indoor spaces i'm talking about those are things that are going to as you say to prevent getting the com code prevent is getting flu and we'll protect us. In general we certainly need to continue with a qr codes are in those jurisdictions that have them. That's going to be a very important part of our insurance in case there's an outbreak and i think that just prudent social distancing with people that you don't know you don't have symptoms and if you've got any symptoms you stay away from the people until you've got tested was would be the main things i think hygienes important question that you keep on washing your hands regularly trying to touch your face. That's very good hygiene advice. Which should last beyond the pandemic being careful off surfaces sneeze into your your elbow. Those are the sorts of things that will stay with me moving forward. So we've actually got a few questions about this nominee one of them's from someone in new south wales saying we allowed to hug yet or should social distancing still the norm. We can sit next to each other at restaurants but not hug which seems conflicting. Well i have to confess that with almost no virus circulating in new south wales which is where i'm based. I've started to hug. Shoot me down in flames. I've started hug. And it's only recently though confessions coming to go back to the jim and i'm still a little bit nervous in the gym because people are breathing heavily and washed on things very carefully to stay away from from the others as much as i can. I've started to hug but that trusts that. Somebody's not going to any symptoms and kind of know the person that i'm hugging a stranger and i'm not kissing so don't kiss people. I don't

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The COVIDSafe app is back. Will it work better this time?

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05:09 min | 1 year ago

The COVIDSafe app is back. Will it work better this time?

"I'm health reported taken tyler. An opposition and journalist alter norman swan. It's wednesday the second of december and with us. Today we have a special guest Technology reporter james patil. Welcome hello sorry. Jane spec in april we had high hopes for the covid safe at that. It was going to be kind of the answer to contact tracing in australia. And it was rolled out and it didn't really land the way. At least the government wanted to but they releasing type two point are the wake can give an update on what happened before. And what the new app. The new version of the app is promising. Australia's sunscreen right. That was the phrase back in april. I think it was twenty eight that it launched and at the time we were told it was the key to us being able to reopen and to be on being able to live our lives. Covid safe uses bluetooth signals to exchange little packets of data with other phones around you using that app as well. Yeah it didn't land so so well. There were early concerns around the app. Not working so on on iphone not working so well when the when it was in the background or the screen was locked. There were privacy issues as well and although there was strong downloads in the in the first few that's sort of type it off. Seven months later were now download downloads. Which is well below that forty percent target. That scott morrison sit back in april. How effective has it been even with all those problems. Has it detected any cases where we recently heard that there were seventeen. People not identified by manual contact. Tracing that covered saif was able to identify. We heard that in senate estimates just a little while ago as to how effective it's been it's actually quite hard to tell because we have very little data we don't know how many active user so that seven million donald's figure it's actually quite worthless because it could include a whole bunch of people who downloaded it and then deleted it or who don't have it actually running actively on their phone. Can we talk about the updated version. Then what what's the tech community's take on it now if people have got the app or they want to download the app is the new version going to address the concerns that were expressed at the beginning. I was speaking with the tech community recently Shortly after the announcement of the died and there was a mixture of surprise and despair. I think many of them had been working very hard to provide bug fixes into point up problems with the app and the very experienced senior members of the community and they heard about the update through a news article. So those a sense that i tried so hard to help out and then just being sidelined. It's true that they had been the duty had asked for feedback when they announced it. But you know the overwhelming response from the tech community was if we had been asked we would have said. Don't go with the system. Go with the apple. Google exposure notification framework. Which is also a bluetooth technology system but has been developed specifically by apple and google four contact tracing on on phones that run the the operating systems and many other countries are using it now and that's important for two reasons. I suppose that there's more proof that it is more sort of testing of how it works but also if there is a global standard means that can be international contact tracing and the great promise of that say you can reopen borders international borders earlier. And so have you got any fix on the current changes whether they'll make it more usable and more people will find it useful. The chinese are about how the phones actually exchanged bluetooth signals. So it's a small part of the overall game. The has taken a protocol code herald from third party which is called vm. Ware means that the phones according to the more efficient or they they're bitter Exchanging signals so before you know it didn't work so well on iphones didn't works so well knows locked. The saying those problems been solved. They've found work arounds and so on. There's a big caveat to that. Which is that in the past. Those kinds of also been made but it's light been found out that there are problems and that the work arounds aren't perfect. You know much earlier. Version of harold with something that the us and the uk. We're looking at using for their smartphone contact. Tracing but back in june. I decided against that and i went with the apple. Google i so no other country in the world is using the herald system so any idea toll. Why they didn't. What's the downside of the apple. Google system privacy. What what's the complaint. That's interesting because i actually had an email from the government media liaison after my article went out and he reaffirmed. That strategy has no intention of using the the apple approach. He argued that the problem with that approach is it. It only notifies the person if they've been exposed doesn't notify notify central health authorities. So you know. There's nothing to guarantee that the person's actually going to go and get tested

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Why are health authorities still struggling to communicate?

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03:48 min | 1 year ago

Why are health authorities still struggling to communicate?

"I'm helter for teigen. Tayla and opposition journalists daughter. Norman swan tuesday the first of december and this time a year ago there was a virus circulating in hubei province just starting to reported probably sprayed from mid-november and things are just gathering pace under the radar one year ago. We'll have to deep dive into the early days of the virus. But not today norman. Okay hold myself back well. The last couple of days have been a role ride again in adelaide. Norman we've heard about a man who was out and about with covid and there were question marks about whether he should have been an isolation or not and the communication seems a bit messy. And it's been a bit hard to know what he was expected to do. Or whether he understood what he was expected to do. And even now i can't really make sense of what he was expected to do whether he knew it or not. How do we make sense of these sorts of things and if we can't communicate it well then. How do we know that people actually know what to do. Yeah i think what you're seeing here is an early forgetfulness. If you like of the key message from this pandemic throughout deploy doesn't matter really what country you're in is that if you've got consistent messaging from the leadership in other words political leadership and your public health dealership then people trust that and the follow it and hopefully that advice is solid and australia by large. It has been solid. So that from prime minister to brandon murphy and from dana andrews and brett sutton and alan chang and so on so in other words. You've you've had your good synchrony. We've had very policies in australia in terms of lockdown okay. They've been controversial. But communication has been fairly consistent now in toria the data looked they were transparent but the actually weren't that transparent sometimes very hard for us to make sense of what they were actually saying. And i think that reflected robin name being deliberately obscure. It just reflected the fact that they're contact tracing was in a bit of a mess and therefore the really have good data to pass on. So now you've got this situation and it's very important to remember this because support for the next pandemic important if the coronavirus comes back in australia. Such as you've had in south australia is that surfaced jones behaviorally well differently. They've come forward to be tested however a wobble like this does create a problem for community understanding because the temptation here of course is to victim blame. Oh there's this guy and he's out in a boat and probably even imply that yesterday on corona cast. He's been out of the boat. What a decayed during this and so on and so forth it turns out. He's actually behave quite well. And if there was confusion over communication that confusion has been all levels the understanding. We seem to have got yesterday. Was that he in fact was a casual. Contact was told to wait until he was tested. He was tested. And i said we got the result. The result was negative so he wasn't in quarantine and then he was told to get another test at eleven days which apparently was positive and it was while he was positive that he was out in a boat. I'm not sure that the nudity was positive but he was out in about roundabout that period of time. So it's just another example where you're creating danger when you're not sure of your facts and and you jump in people us we jump into and but we are assuming that the information is accurate. Not making any excuses about this is just another lesson that how the authorities communicate is essential to the control of the pandemic and to this one. Because it's not over yet

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

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06:48 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the corona virus. I'm health reported teigen tyler. I'm physician and journalist alter norman swan. It's tuesday the twenty four. Th of november cinnamon one of the questions that we've gotten a lot from people about over the course of this pandemic so far is whether it's seasonal and on one hand yes. The melbourne second wave happened in winter. But it's hard to really taes out. What's the difference between seasonality and a new virus in globe of susceptible people but in the states which is going into its wind up and also in in other parts of the northern hemisphere was seeing a really straight upwards curve a really scary looking curve. so what do we know about the season -ality or otherwise of coronavirus were joining the first wave. It was said that there was so much corona virus around swamped the effects of seasonality. Although most people expected this to be a winter virus a seasonal virus but they couldn't guarantee it and you just weren't necessarily seeing the effects of it on this week's health report podcast. I've been talking to chris maureen maher. Who's these of health metrics and evaluation in seattle and they've been doing global modeling now on the covid nineteen pandemic which has turned out to be pretty accurate so for the world for different countries and for the united states and they say that when they look at the big data they do find a seasonal effect and they. It's actually quite strong and the fascinating thing is that they predict that the virus in the united states will start to peak deaths from the coronavirus will peak roundabout inauguration day and tail off towards the end of january into february without any vaccine. You'll see a natural peaking and tailing off. We won't go down to zero but it will start to ebb away so in the joe biden was like trump. he would take four credits on day. Two of his presidency for turning around the pandemic. but it'll be natural. What's the driver for it to pay them. Is it that people interacting with a set number of people and you just kind of run out of context. How does how does that pay. Start to come down again. No it's obviously a little bit of an effect of natural museum that but even by january you still not going to see the majority of americans infected with the covid nineteen virus so a little bit of an effect because what they say. Is that even twenty percent coverage of immunity associated with some social distancing cooed tailing off. Now i think they it's simply how their virus response to temperature and although it's still in the middle of winter and pretty cold there are plenty of viruses that have most of their fates in autumn early winter and seem to die way in midwinter and influences a bit like that where influenza unistrokes tends to hit more in autumn than winter depths of winter. Not that we have much of winter. So yep they think it's seasonal tending often and if you are lucky with the vaccine the vaccine does prevent transmission then have an even more dramatic faked as the year goes through. Yeah i suppose they were some early nickname mention. It starts came out earlier in the saying that the virus survived longer at lower temperatures and in low humidity are. Maybe that's the season thing. But what does it mean for us australia. Coming into next year's winter if a vaccine isn't widely available by that time well if we've kept our international borders secure and we haven't had too many outbreaks and we're still social distancing to some extent when we need to enroll able to control then maybe not very much because the won't very much virus around but if there is a significant say outbreak from hotel quarantine for still doing it at that point. Then you could see a major takeoff and victoria. Tasmania parts of south. Australia would be vulnerable to that. So i'm trying to cross my mind that because we have talked about season on corona's before and i feel like we said that it wasn't safe no so will be wrong or is this just more information. I think you feel the wrong thing. T very different. I remember that people saying that probably was a season paper. You couldn't see it. In all the noise of an strength of the pandemic the pandemic was so strong it was masking a seasonal fake underneath the name what they thought was as the pandemic turned into an epidemic and the virus became endemic in other words. Steady in the community and keeping on recurring. Then you would see the effect of seasonality which might mean then you'd see a surge as the goats colder. I like that vision of memory. Yes yeah but no doubts kirk listeners. Who got a much better than either you. Army will fix us up. That's the lately and speaking of other research related things that we've talked about before and we now have more information about <hes>. Antibodies on the only thing in our immune system and this nearly such out of monash university that shows that perhaps immunity to the coronavirus is long lasting than we feed. Yes so little bit of physiology. Here there are two elements to attack or threaten sweep elements to attacking a virus delicious. Talk of two of them for the moment. The first wave is really the antibody those chemicals in the bloodstream that attach to the spikes of the corona virus and stop it docking with tissues in our body and hopefully kill the virus as well and they're called neutralizing antibodies. now they'll come out of nowhere. They're produced by white blood cells white blood cells that produce antibodies b cells and some b cells have memory for the antibodies. They need to produce. It was a waste of energy then producing antibodies. All the time to a virus that they're not seeing but if avars enters the body they wake up and they say oh hello. I've seen this one before and they start manufacturing. Antibodies and this study identify found a way through using monoclonal. Antibodies to actually attach themselves to these b cells. Identify them they to twenty five people in march who had corona virus and follow them through to september looking at these b. memory cells and what they showed was that they maintain themselves in other words. You can still find b. Memory cells at the end of eight months so that suggests that the body retain the memory and the ability to produce antibodies to the coronavirus sars cov e to. This is not a peer reviewed study hasn't been published in a major journal yet but it is an interesting finding very sophisticated study and great needs to people who've had coronavirus but also for the quest for vaccine. That's absolutely right

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

05:06 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"So norman. let's talk about south australia again today. And we know that they are dealing with an outbreak there at the moment. It's really early days and it's sort of hard to tell how it's going to go <hes>. Yesterday we heard that didn't seem to be much in the way of community transmission which is good to hia. But it's a bit too early to go awesome new community transmission. We're outta the woods isn't it. It is and just need to remind cast listeners. Not they need to be reminded because they're no world authorities on the corona virus but this virus can go underground it can go underground with younger people asymmetric spread and then just pop sometime later and it can be some weeks later and just remind you. In washington state at the beginning of the pandemic it went underground for about weeks and this has been going now for over a week. Some suggestions even back to the seventh of november rather than the nine th of november. Which is what we thought the day when we started this discussion about south australia. That's a long time for the virus to be out there and circulating. And you just don't know where it's gone and there may be another sub cluster or spread somewhere else which just will pop up in a few days time or even in a couple of weeks time so you just cannot relax and it means that testing numbers should be really high. Should be looking at sewage and <hes>. They maybe even should be starting to think about asymmetric testing as well. So that you you you. You getting mass testing of communities because the numbers of tests actually luke low pro rata thinking of south australia's about a quarter of the size of melbourne population wise. They still feel low. And i don't have the numbers to hand but when there was breaking shepherds and a lot of people came forward disproportionately far more than the coming forward inside the straight and it's not just people who are asymptomatic it yes it can go under the right out people who have low or no symptoms but in addition to that. There's these few days lag between when someone's exposed to the virus and then when they start showing symptoms or test positive for it so that life cycle of the virus kind of can play on. How complacency if we let it. That's right so five days is average but it can be longer than that and the near you get to win. Symptoms would have come out but you start to become positive more and more positive five to eight days into the infection. Then that positivity rate declines and just having one test for example may not be enough. You may have to go back for more so this is something that you just cannot relax about you. Just go to be on now for the next couple of weeks. At least so. What do we know about the numbers of south. Australians who are trying to get tested. Because i'm hearing anecdotal reports that people are trying and turned away. Yup about happened to be totally in the early days where they just hadn't got the pop up testing and the increased capacity. So hopefully that's going to improve dramatically but it was pretty unimpressive on day. One in terms of the response to the numbers of southeastern is kind of coming forward for tasting. We hear krona. cast listeners. Have been telling us that they got the results. Pretty quickly as indeed shoot and in any event you don't know how many people left the lines because they got fed up waiting. It's really important that people do come forward. There was a disturbing survey from the bureau statistics which they'd survey people and find that about half one and two. Australians would not come forward for testing of the only mild symptoms they would have more would come forward severe symptoms but not mild symptoms. Such remind people that mild symptoms are problem too. But we put the call out yesterday to you listeners. Especially those of you. Who are living in south australia to say what's happening with you. And how you feeling. And a bunch of you responded. Thank you so much for that. And kate saying she waited for three hours yesterday to get her child tested but the result came back today negative thankfully in less than twenty four hours a long time to wait to get the test but pretty quick turnaround of the results. You it's really a communist. Spirit there to actually do that and get into that lines. Stick it out because you're you're thinking about others as well as yourself so that's fantastic and then we got win. Who's sort of at the other end of the spectrum saying gwynn's pretty ticked off at a massive overreaction was is she's calling it too every time someone sneezes. She was looking forward to traveling to queensland to see her parents. Nash go without being forced into hotel. Quarantine that she can't afford and she's saying that the new south wales leader is the only one being sensible about all these of course. The state is not knowing how much virus there is in south australia but that should become clear over the next few days. It probably is an overreaction to close the borders the risk is low. They could do what they did before. Which is that we know. This is a para fueled cluster and the <hes>. The clusters reasonably localized at the moment. They could limit the people coming in from those particular areas but adelaide is a small town. And so it's much harder to divide off the suburbs as easily.

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

05:09 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"Hello this is corona cost a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reported. Teigen tyler an emphasis journalists dr norman swan. It's wednesday the eleventh of november. And we've had some really exciting coronavirus news in the last couple of days. Norman fiso the drug company has announced that their vaccine that producing maybe ninety percent effective in stopping the virus. Do we all just pack up corona costing go home now to. We don't need it anymore. No because has doesn't operate on press releases scientific papers that have been pure reviewed where we know what's going on you'd have to say pfizer's a bit out on. Its own here at least so far. Anyway they've announced this <hes>. Interim analysis but it's not been peer reviewed and it's quite hard to work are exactly what's going on both fighters the one who hasn't actually joined the same platform of some of the other vaccine manufacturers. Who are out in trial. And they've got their data safety monitoring board which looked the analysis of this raw. The common one is what the monitoring board is being shared by. Some of the vaccine manufacturers. So it's not entirely transparent. There's also see you have to say also commercial element in this that they want to get a jump on it and the water here is that they're going to push for emergency use authorization before their presumably earlier than the other vaccines but the question is. Is it too early to know absolutely for sure that they're safe so they sort of questions to ask here are well. What does it mean. They've said nine more than ninety percent. Effective well you gotta read between the lines. Because it's not entirely clear from their release but it's been something like ninety four covid nineteen disease cases so this is not infections. Forty thousand people yep in the boats so this is these vaccines are not designed to pretend to fiction as we said many many times on corner cast they're designed to prevent covid nineteen disease which is fair enough because if you've protect against nineteen disease then all the sars cov to becomes is a bad cold. Let's assume that we talking about which is that has been ninety four cases thereabouts. I think that's what the announced and that they're more than ninety percent effective. It's should probably mean that something like eight or so of the cases of covid nineteen occurred in the placebo group and the remainder are six or seven or whatever it is six occurred in the vaccine group. But we didn't have those numbers. Stay away from visa. We don't have those numbers but you can assume then that from from that crudely of that ninety four percent ninety percent or more occurred in the placebo group and ten percent or fewer occurred in the vaccine group. That's what that means. And therefore is a significant gap between the two groups which is protection against covid nineteen disease. That's what i assume an endless things. No major safety issues. The ninety percent number <hes>. A lot higher than what we've been talking about on corona causton in all of the full out around this announcement. I heard a lot of experts. Say that's amazing. That's a really big number much higher than we expected. So that's good news right. What's what's much higher than the regulators were willing to approve. Everybody was hoping it'd be much higher than fifty percent because fifty percents pretty disappointing and so this is really great news. If it's all right and you get superior review study of the data and goes on long enough to have a proper analysis and it's really good news for the other mini. Vaccines are just just to be clear. What this vaccine is and just a little bit of a revision on the vaccines the so the oxford vaccine and this vaccine and the moderna vaccine three scenes around the are the lead. They do the same thing in the end. Which is they put a genetic message into the cell to tell the cell to produce part of the spike protein of the corona virus and that goes into the bloodstream and the immune response the immune system reacts to that creating immunity. How the vaccine does it is uses a chimpanzee virus to take the genetic message into the sale and what bio and take the pfizer vaccine does and the moderna vaccine is. Is that parcells up amorini. Which is a parcel of genetic messaging and it goes straight into the salad self and tells the cell to produce the part of the spike protein. So this is a name are a vaccine and it's really good news because there's another mirani vaccine on the blocks which is the moderna vaccine which isn't too far behind the problem with these vaccines is that there are very low. Temperatures to transport around minus eighty of madeira. People say there's may not require that depth of temperature this makes it a very impractical vaccine for poor and middle income countries and also does make it a bit impractical even for countries like australia. Where you're going to have to coaching at minus eighty on the coaching standard frigid temperatures and the university of queensland vaccine for example will only require an a standard vaccine fridge province minus eighty. So they are vulnerable it. They do first mover advantage so that they can get out there because they know they're vulnerable to other vaccines. That might come along. Which don't require that cold chain infrastructure.

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The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

04:03 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove

"This is from norman swan anyway. He said that the first generation vaccines all they do. Is they prevent the disease. They don't stop catching it side. That was what i was concerned about. Was that actually. Stop the spread of the disease. It stops the disease actually forming. I heard the software that they said. it does. Stop transmitting the disease to somebody else. I can't maybe it does. i couldn't do. i don't understand it will either. but anyway.

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

09:31 min | 1 year ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"So we have come out of a really long slog here in Australia especially in Victoria where we've had a very long lockdown and the payoff has been really low numbers of community transmission. . Now here in Australia and in contrast Europe is heading into winter and the case numbers they are ratcheting up really quickly to the point where the UK and many countries in Europe are announcing really tough lockdown measures and so let's talk about that a bit Norman what are we? ? What are they looking at doing in England and some of those European countries. . Varies a bit and it seems to be driven by a fear that their hospitals in ICU's will be overwhelmed. . You've already got a significant number of beds taken up in France and Spain Britain is worried that the NHS the National Health Service, , will be overwhelmed and I think the hand has been forced. . But they're all coming into this late. . So they're doing curfews. . Don't think there's any country in Europe that's locking down schools showing who so school's Continue And I think that universities do in some places as well. . So the education system stays open bars, restaurants , that sort of thing close or our time restricted. . So I'm not sure that anybody is really going for the hard. . Stage four type lockdown that we saw in Victoria. . And, it , has to be said that's really the only thing that works. . So the problem that you're is God and most European countries and are two problems. . One is the borders are not properly closed. . So the borders are not closed. . You can go to lockdown, , but new cases can come in all the time even though you might have border checks and people are not supposed to communicate got symptoms and so on. . They do have open borders to some countries in the world, , but it's a pre Philip. . Britain, , it's a pretty long list includes strata. . Most of them seem quite sensible in terms of having quarantine free travel. . But it's moving around a bit. . But where else you might have trouble coming in from and in Europe itself, , the borders seem to be largely open although it's up to each European country to say its own rules and by the time you're listening to this podcast this chronic. . The rules could could possibly have changed. . That's why I'm not really being very specific. . Point being is that you need a lockdown of your country and your lockdown of people's movements. . That the virus. . Stays with the stews infected and you don't get new clusters emerging and there aren't very many countries in Europe that have got the testing and contact tracing regime that we're lucky to have in. . Australia. . and. . The question is, , are they going to put that in place? ? So you were saying before that the only thing that really does the job is really hard lockdowns luck we had in Victoria, , but doesn't it depend on what approach that country is trying to take like we were hearing in the beginning this idea flattening the curves that we wouldn't overwhelm the hospital system is that what they're trying to do their just push just smooth out the number of cases a bit more without having to have really tough lockdowns just so that they're not having. . Intensive care units different approach to Australia will certainly is a different approach to Australia. . It's been all along they went the lifted, , whatever they had to. . Early they had <hes> some some period where people particularly Spain were just letting their hair down and we're paying the price for that now, , and so that's all these European countries will achieve is a bit of the flattening of the curve if they're lucky and therefore a bit of. . Heat of their hospitals in ICU's. . But you're still going to have a lot of people who are very sick and they may not succeed as well as they should. . Israel's done quite a good job. . It was doing really badly with hundreds of thousands of cases and its case rate seems to have come down with a fairly significant lockdown. . It has to be said in Israel. . So Israel's a success story now having been a failure. . And <hes> so it's been quite impressive how it's how it's brought it down. . But the question is, , will that happen in Europe and will it be enough or will it be too late and it's just out of control what other projections maybe not every European country but I know that the UK has daughter about the different scenarios. . What kind of numbers are we talking about the sky's the limit? ? Really I mean Israel's an interesting example because you've got a small population of nine million or so people with <hes> several hundred, , thousand cases. . And that's what could have happened to Tori as well. . You when you've got a non immune population, , you can have very very large numbers and so at the moment, , for example, , in Britain as we saw that prevalence study that we talked about last week on Krona cast. . In June after thirty thousand deaths, , they had six percent prevalence of antibodies. . So that suggests that six percent. . Of the British public were infected with covid nineteen. . Your albeit the antibody levels dropped over a period of time. . So, , there's ninety four percent of the population left infected. . So that's a lot of people to go. . So the sky is the limit unfortunately, , and so the question then on the modeling and there was interesting modeling out of Washington State about media months six weeks ago, , which suggested that once you got to about twenty percent. . Prevalence of people who've been infected. . So in other words that level of population immunity, , I won't use. . Herod. . Amenity, , here really misplaced tarum. . With social distancing, , you might be able to control the virus. . But that's a long way to go twenty percent of the British populations millions twenty percent of the German and French, , population is millions to get to that point and then you start to control it. . So. There's . a long way to go. . Yeah. . Really high price to pay for perhaps not the payoff that you need to actually stop the spread and remember that it was going size. . The mortality rates come down as indeed it has because we're better treating. . People were a and there are drugs now particularly zone which reduces the death rate and the other new drugs antibody drugs that will start to come on stream, , but even so people are still getting the disease. . there. . Tonight on seven thirty avacado story of. . radiographer WHO's worked in Melbourne and weeks after his. . Infection which he caught in hospital he's still very unwell not able to exercise and really feeling lousy. . So the burden on the community is enormous beyond people dying. . So we're getting questions for me. . It's not just about what's happening Estrella but also it's happening overseas and how it's asking, , what do you make of the curfew measures in Europe where you got? ? Pubs closing at ten pm and that sort of thing why or how are those sorts of issues effective. . So a curfew, , a curfew by itself is not really going to do very much of anything. . You've got to stop people moving around during the day as well as at night, , and you do that by shutting POB shutting restaurants, , shunning public areas that are. . That are high risk Gymnasia and so on. . And then a curfew on top of that in your say starting at nine o'clock through to the early morning. . Restricts People's movements even more, , but it's it's on the it's on the margins. . It's not going to be the core thing that you do, , and of course, , no country in Europe is closing down schools, , which means that you've got large numbers of parents circulating in the community each day taking the kids to school and picking them up unless, of , course, , the letting go by public transport with masks on, , and that's the other thing is the extent to which countries are mandating. . mask-wearing they should all be mandating mask-wearing to really reduce the spread as much as possible in public areas particularly indoors, , and we've got a question from someone in New South, , Wales who's having greeting anxiety. . So they are asking if we got aerosol spread if I was to be in a room with someone for a long period of time, , does it make any difference if I give them a hug when I I see them a does the one point five made a rule. . That much. . If you with someone in an enclosed space for a prolonged period will you should not get yourself into a situation where you're in a very poorly ventilated area in for an extended period, , you should just not be in that situation. . So it's fine being indoors particularly wasn't sure these days because the risk is so low, , but anyway, , your sittings gotta be ventilated possibly to to the discomfort of being to cold. . So you've got through drafts and fresh air, , and then the the risk is much lower. . Now, if , you give people a hug when you see them, , then you're increasing the risk even further. . So you should really maintain social distance touch elbows and not get too close because you're just amplifying the problems because there's no question does spread by droplets and close contact. . So you're just making the situation worse. . So to avoid greeting anxiety, , you just stop hugging people kissing them, , etc and you and you maintain a bit of distance. . Well, , it's time for on Koranic today if you've got a question policing leading new go-to. . Dot Net air you slash krona cast click ask a question and mentioned current castle. . We can find it still lots of questions coming in and we welcome them

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"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

Coronacast

04:15 min | 2 years ago

"norman swan" Discussed on Coronacast

"As we've observed a bunch of times on this show, which seemed to be a pretty good spot in Australia at the moment when it comes to it, but that's certainly not the case elsewhere in the world. More than eight million people have now been infected by covid nineteen, according to Johns Hopkins University. It took nine days for the number of infections to grow from six million to seven. Seven million and less than eight days to get to the latest millions either pandemics, not slowing down. So what's happening elsewhere in the world nominee? Will it still going I mean? The United States tailed off a little bit, but that's largely because of New York state are lots of states in the United States which are now increasing, and there are some states that look as if they actually might be suffering from a second wave like south. Carolina and the league table of cases. Is <hes> America Brazil Russia India UK Spain Italy Peru. which gives you a sense of Latin America particularly, South America is a prominent source of new cases, which confirms what people already had a lot of which is Latin. America is a significant hotspot. As indeed is Russia, and Russia has had to revise its. Deaths reporting because it had all these eight, hundred, thousand, nine, hundred thousand cases and I think it was wondering reporting rows of handful of deaths, which made the WHO query their statistics, and they've rapidly revised that we oversee the far more deaths than they're admitting to. So that's the league table at the moment, and it is spreading, and you could argue that in some parts of the world are beginning to see a second wave. China's obviously worried about this outbreak in the. Food Market in Beijing and trying to control that very very quickly. So, what does this mean for us here in Australia where we're sort of? Increased pressure open borders especially to business people well. It says that they're still a huge amount of virus circulating in the world. It's not going away, it's. And it's spreading to countries that have had small epidemics up until now and growing and second waves look as if they may be happening, so you'd be nuts if you open the border to the United States. Russia India UK still far too much. In a lot of European countries still too much virus circulating, there are some countries in the world where there's not very much, and which you could consider that, but very very careful, and in fact, the Chinese think that the source of the cases that they've got in Beijing where Chinese people returning from overseas, so it's a high risk situation when the so much virus around the. The world, so a lot of countries around the world did lockdown, and we've done that here in Australia New Zealand and stuff like that, but if it's still increasing at such a rapid right in so many countries around the world, what were the point of lockdowns? Well for the countries that lockdown early? They've had success. Tens of thousands of people have died the point is that most countries with a bad pandemic. Countries that didn't lockdown early enough, and it already established itself. That's the problem. The problem is not the lockdown lockdown. Social distancing is actually the only thing that works and they have instituted late, and the viruses got away from them. But. It's not benefited their country. Their economies are shattered. They're not able to come back fully. People are frightened to come out the statistics from the United States show that most people are still quite nervous about coming out, even though the trying to open up the economy, because it's still a lot of virus around, whereas if you look at a Sturdier with lockdown and. and. New Zealand people are not so nervous about coming up because they know there's not much virus around, so allows us to return much more strongly. In terms of our economy, the problem those countries face where the still seeing an epidemic upenn significant pandemic is nothing to show for it. They've got an economy that short they've had a field lockdown was not failed. Failed more people would have died. Had they not locked down and the natural immunity in the population that tiny levels maximum, twenty percent, some countries like Sweden, maybe only nine or ten percent, so all these people died for what when they could have actually shut down earlier, and this is just like nineteen eighteen, the cities that in places that shutdown earlier their economies. Economies bounced back better and more fulsomely and places. That waited around

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"norman swan" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

WCBM 680 AM

01:47 min | 2 years ago

"norman swan" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM

"Of time now sure you wanna go first second or last other last night well good luck to you here are your stores North Korea story number one north Korea's accusing South Korea of intentionally infecting their dear leader Kim Jong own with covert nineteen north Korean state media said that there are no confirmed cases of cover nineteen in their country in the south Koreans wanted to remove Kim Jong on and spread the disease in their country story to a growing movement of liberal women who have a crush on the Cuomo's both governor Andrew Cuomo who is single by the way and CNN's Chris Cuomo who is married now this started with Chelsea handler with these woman are now calling themselves Cuomo sexuales right this crap times story three New York times well you're probably right two Australian doctors are weighing in on the support of the corona virus down under no not in Australia but in your nether regions through flatus what's another region Dr Norman swan said the recently advised on the poster pandemic panic no bare bottom farting another doctor said the yes bottom based emissions Chamath spread the corona virus so that would being silent and deadly yeah yeah we're gonna have to get a muffler for a are you a real master career masks and he's a big match I can tell you that those things go through your underwater go through genes and the world as aware correct they said no bare bottomed so yeah so a mask on our faces.

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"norman swan" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

WMAL 630AM

13:03 min | 2 years ago

"norman swan" Discussed on WMAL 630AM

"More efficiently its freight liners number one goal what story two Australian doctors have been discussing whether the corona virus can be passed through passing gas Iran during Friday's from the New York Post during Friday's episode of the Australian broadcast corporations corona cast podcast producer and host Dr Norman swan made a cautionary suggestion when it comes to the particles that can be sept set adrift okay with passing gas and the possibility of the spreading of cove in nineteen okay can I read the quote well I mean we're already into it so sure okay I'm gonna read the quota this is this is the quote from the doctor no bare bottom bottom farting end of quote the doctor advised about posterior pandemic panic is this really a problem hi no I've never been to Australia I really don't know their ways I don't know their society with their practices but something tells me this probably isn't at the top of the list well they pondered whether flatulence isn't in itself is an aerosol generating procedures and you know what else can we talk in this in purely medical technical terms and I'm not apparently not it what they get to the park we're in a recent study has suggested that any yeah suggested that a post flush toilet plume okay Pete the cat gets when it comes just reading the yeah because I do want to see doctor volunteering birch discussed this and the preventive measures well but somebody's going to ask a question you know who will be right yeah Greg got field he'll get he'll get a pass to go to the White House to be in the press room for just that one question got fought no I thought was good no I thought of your say Jim Acosta was gonna ask if yeah okay he might make I don't know they didn't suggest that there's not a great deal of research in this area I'm who wants to be a part of that team I don't want to be a part of that task force this came from the lab now now no well it's it's beyond the their acronym could be well there there the overall say the acronym but it would stand for fast and ready team but the faster ready team is available to us in writing team is here they're on it the and the best ready T. money's time says well look if if this is a problem or having social distancing is not normally a problem here right it happens naturally and remember whoever fell to delta I don't even know if we man this is clear medicinal compensation for some reason the word for low keeps hitting my brain like something in the future is going to happen to me I don't know what it's going to be but the word furlough comes to mind so that's one of the two concerns thank you I am thank you New York Post from yesterday's yesterday afternoon thanks for that and that's thank you your post that's a very okay we have to know I mean this is all part of I don't know how it works right well I'm still convinced at some point scientist a hundred years from now well yeah we had a there was a pandemic back in twenty twenty and it came from buying too much toilet paper it's it's going to be I'm you knew we were going to get to this I guess my point you knew that and and and I'm guessing some of these doctors and professors might be might be working in a lab at some of the more or working from home and drinking heavily frankly I'm just worried about in the morning I got to make sure I get to the store I don't want to be you know to be totally off the shelves yeah no kidding well you do but you know though I mean some of the some of the items that but they've been stocking up on dry items rice beans seriously I was in the store yesterday morning to be banned well I was yeah I was in the store yesterday morning and and and you know I at the end of that I'll actually just been stocked and I thought well now's the time I haven't made any yet I just I like but but if I'll tell you this when it's all said and done we're gonna have a bean cook off we're going to have to have it because there's no way to use that many beings that we purchased collectively as a nation or as the world is a global I guess he's like a bird's going to you know ban use always how they want to ban anything if there's like any protest announcements they're going to ban that because it's against government official policies yes right so will the next with a with a band blazing saddles if they find out no my gosh so that's giving the wrong impression of what have you been when you would have to be on that yeah yeah everybody knows a scene that I'm talking about yeah yep okay yeah I don't know speaking of slim Pickens there were a lot of things that weren't on the shelf yesterday at the grocery store still I but it didn't seem like that things were getting slightly back to normal there were things I didn't buy any but there were there was toilet paper available there was a lot of paper products were available yes the more maybe I just got there at the right time I haven't been out a long time I hadn't been in the store to to go grocery stop shopping or pick up you know any items in in a while it's been maybe a week and a half or two weeks before I'd been looking actually looking for something specific and then I just went down with the the aisle where the where the paper products were and it was not fully stocked but there were there was there were some on the shelf yeah so Australia huh well I I know you just you just had me that when you said slim Pickens I started thinking of doctor strange love and when they were in the bomber in there get their emergency supply pack in case they have to bail I was thinking of that yeah right we're gonna get to that do you think we're going to become a nation of preppers no no longer the government's values out why well no I I you know I don't think so I think people will I think after we're done with this I I I do think that again all it all matters on information because none of us have ever dealt with this before mmhm when you see because I've noticed just in the last twenty four hours the fact that you know three states is that okay we're gonna salary probably opening up in all of its based on information and the information is based on what we see that we believe that the tally rate is a lot less we believe in as we said early on and it was no reason to panic that if it ends up being true that a lot more people are infected with that that's actually a good thing because that means that the death rate is a lot lower and it means a lot of people are a symptomatic and it seems like we're going down that path right now that you know that this is something that really doesn't affect the majority of people in fact the majority of people don't show any symptoms at all and I'm wondering is that the same thing because everybody wants to make the comparison to the flu we've never done that and we've never said use of locums about different virus I I'm not comparing to the flu because it's not influenza it's not a flu virus right so I'm not going to compare to that I understand people doing that but if you look at the flute does the flu it seems like this would be a question I would ask maybe a month from now when we have a lot more information do people actually get the flu and it doesn't affect them at all that's it are you good question because we we don't test into were symptomatic right is it possible you could be a symptomatic and have the flu virus I would I do that I think that's a very valid question because it would it would change things drastically and if we're going to measure things in terms of you know the way we look at right now what we know from what we know coronavirus covert nineteen is more contagious than the flu or is it could you have a number of people in society that cares that are carriers essentially it if you're non symptomatic if you're a symptomatic and and you're walking around and you know maybe a you have the Sniffles or a little bit of a cough but you don't go into full bloom mode where you have fever and body aches and everything else it doesn't attack your system like it does others or maybe you have it sometimes and it doesn't do that or and once every few years or several years it does because you're I don't know your immunity is low that would change the death rate the finality rate and also the nature the contagious nature of the actual virus the flu I'd I'd that's it I think that's something that that probably should be explored because you look at you know I mean you go back to a nineteen eighty and we didn't have the communications ability that we have today we certainly didn't have the technology now we have the data center but the so you look at the ability to test and could that be a you know could that be something where they would want to sample the public and you know and and look to see I would like to run a flu test on you we know you're not showing the symptoms just the state maybe they've been maybe the person has been exposed to it or maybe again if they are a symptomatic but that's they they actually the the the viruses is with them but it's not all presenting and that would be a question that I would ask we we are probably going to test a lot more people for coronavirus people that show no symptoms at all right we really don't do that for the flu right don't do we I mean do they do staff I mean I have a I would have done that does the national institutes of health and the CDC do they actually do that do they say okay we're gonna test during flu season we're gonna do a cross section of America and we're going to do is is that being done all the time or do they occasionally do test like that in certain years to add to and bring in people right off the street can you hear that because that's my question we keep talking about the a symptomatic people that have the corona virus I've never heard that discussion with people that have the flu right I haven't either because typically until now I mean you know this is it's rare to have a pandemic and typically until now what is it you become symptomatic and then you treat right and so I've never heard.

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"norman swan" Discussed on The Science Show

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"norman swan" Discussed on The Science Show

"Community mental health services, which are clearly failing in some instances. And that's why it seems that as a kind of a final result of where people go in. They have nowhere else to go bring about it. After all of these revelations. There was a productivity commission announced by the federal government late last year. I guess that's kind of looking at it from an economic angle which might in some way surprise because you think well these people's lives at stake that should be enough. Rather needing an economic reason for it. But I suppose the good thing about this commission is that it puts it on the economic agenda of the government and get some. Look, the ideas how they currently spending mental health budget. So it's about nine billion dollars that goes into mental services each year at federal and state level. And so it's looking at how do we use that money? How do we use resources? And are we using the most effective way? I think it'd be unlikely that is cost cutting to be done. I imagine that might be the same. If not more probably more into community buy stuff in preventative services. So obviously crisis carries key. But how can we get in earlier? So we don't have the situation that is currently happening. Emergency department needing mental health treatment wrist before that another area where we saw a bit of a tide potentially showing signs of changing was the uptake of health insurance, which seems to be not quite as popular as it once was or at least the uptake is not growing at the right? You might expect. And Norman swan our colleague in the ABC science did a four corners investigation on this early in twenty. And here's a little piece from this chocks you. World, I suppose way you mainly care at universal funding. Go got private hill fund. Then allow behold you writing grainy at a pocket when you have one operation. I recall the reception assigned to me, I'll look I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by it's not going to be as much as you think. But then when it came out, I was oh my gosh. So if you people live facing big bills an expected, given the head insurance, and that seems to be one of the big problems here as you can still get a big Bill even with you might think you're covered wanted. This investigation revealed a lot of people have that experience with a have health insurance. They for whatever reason need to go to hospital have some kind of treatment done, and they find at the end of it. They he can be really significant out of pocket costs. And it kind of makes you think why do I have health insurance in the first place. And generally, the common reaction is to kind of blame the insurer Medicare for the rebates at provides. But what Dr swans investigation through four corners was looking at was actually finding that. In a lot of cases, the fault lies with rogue medical specialists who had charging extortionists face for specialist services. Call them rogue doctors wrote practitioners, or is this is this the system that we've gotten in their uprating within the law is that no laws been broken. That's the thing. They operate. In the laws as far as I know in strays, quite unique in the situation that doctors can essentially charge what they like. But certainly doctors and medical worries were I think came to point out that these are rogue specialists, and this is malpractice from a few bad apples, and is not a really widespread practice. But in saying that it's not good for the patients that end up with these exorbitant costs down about it. If it's not necessarily the insurance companies that are in control in some ways, the coverage is doing what was set out to do the fees are so high that they're not covered once the solution. If there is one well at the moment is and advisory committee looking at out of pocket cost, which is being shared by the chief medical officer, Brendan Murphy, and that's looking at ways to ensure that people are better informed of fees before agreeing to treatment. But I think the key thing here is it's quite a complicated system, private health insurance specialists costs, and when I was looking at this story, I could not believe how complex it was. Just for me to get my head around gap cost schedule fees booking..

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