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A great Norma Desmond style breakfast (rebroadcast)

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

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A great Norma Desmond style breakfast (rebroadcast)

"Hello and welcome of course too so it's a show but this time it's a replay. What hey heo yes. We are coming at you with a blast from the past because kyla is no longer in escobedo. I'm not an escarole as our faith. Tj would say so. Yeah little little crazy moving everything. I own to another place but went smoothly as a move could but yeah just needs some time to give our next reference. Its due diligence because our next leading lady deserves a lot of a lot of respect. At least she thinks oh and honestly you could pick many leading ladies who fit that description from our next reference. That is true so we thought we'd do a little throwback to an episode we love and that kind of fits the reference. We're going to cover next. Yes we will definitely be at least mentioning this episode and this reference to sunset boulevard in our forthcoming episode next week. So it's a blast from the past to help you. Prep a for our next episode and fasten your seatbelts. It's gonna be a bumpy night's episode conversation. Well hope you're hungry. Endure this norma desmond style breakfast. Uh hello and welcome to sell. It's a show a big podcast where we attempt to keep up with. Laura rely roy's pop culture references on gilmore girls. I'm kyla taylor and we're ready for close up your might say where big pop culture references and small exactly. We're talking to fun movie today. I mean fun in some ways. Yeah depending on how you define burn. It's not like fun games. right more. Like entertaining yes and a means like. It's a breakout. My fifty style voice. Oh no because we got our thirties. Style voice the Got scoop it's i guess i kind of do the same voice. Hey either way i. It feels like we're going back to an era past. Yes black and white days the only good ways to be everything before nineteen ninety black and white exactly but before we get into black and white madness. Oh maybe we should have little best. Worst with gilmore girls love. It always the best the worst. So taylor you know comebacks that community in different ways so. I'm curious to see how will do that. But a why don't why don't you share best with us all right as soon as you said. Let's do gilmore comebacks because the movie were talking about today is all about a potential comeback. The first person. I thought of jess maryono. What a breath of fresh air every time. That kid came back. I think i've told this story before. But when he was on the show and his original run. I hated him. I was team dean. I thought he was a none every time he kept coming back to stars hollow. I was like okay. This kid's got more death to. I'm here for it and i think my love into melia. Did a great job really flushing out that character even in short you episodes seasons four through six. Yeah he did come back a lot because he left a lot or was forced to leave a lot. Yeah so. I like he always brought something back to the show. Andy impacted the characters. Who were still there fulltime in really important ways. It wasn't just like a fun cameo. Yeah i mean worry. He got her to go back to college Try to convince her to run away with him his mom down the aisle. Yeah wrote a book done it without her all the things. yeah who. that's a really good one that tops that i need a best that win straight. What's your worse than so my worst would have to be and not not maybe for the reason you might think but max medina really so i. I've actually been watching season. One right or season. One started season two. And so it's laura rely and max early years and i it got me remembering the later later in. What is it season. Two or three when they keep running into each other and she sees At the parents meeting. And she's like oh he he just treat me like a normal person and seen him at another event. Why are you treating me like a normal person because we broke up. What are we supposed to do like it's awkward. And so i hate all the time when they see each other again and laura lies expecting something big when it's over and it should just remain over so i don't like this agreed and honestly i feel bad for max in that episode. Yes has it. Feels like laura is literally cornering him in the closet room. The coat closet room. He has like i. Just wanna get out of here with no drama. And she's not having it. Yeah laurey you can do this. Yeah let it be let it be. Hey we're not at shea stadium in this episode. Were on a major street instead sunset. How should we get into the episode. That this reference comes from I think so excellent. Today we are talking about gilmore girls three fourteen swan song. He and if he say it really fast it sounds like swanson which will come back to this episode. Aired on marie eleventh. Two thousand three in the plot summary is laurel has often new york with alex. Sukey ian jackson side note. They see a terrible musical. Meanwhile just gets a black eye and doesn't want anyone to know just how it happened. Which leads to trouble at friday night. Dinner lamp doesn't every friday night. Dinner lead to trouble at friday night. Dinner it's true but it is a new level of trouble when just comes in. Has this big of a debacle. His first visit. Yeah thousand fortunate. I would agree. And the fact that he got a black eye from swan that is one of the reveals. That may be left pretty hard. I watched the show. Have you ever come into contact with swan nat close up and honestly this episode makes me glad that's the case have we. I feel like we've already discussed my encounter with a swan in a previous episode. Remind me so. My dad and i were innocently. Paddling along in a lake and there was a big swan and we decided to follow it and we're following it following getting kind of close to it. How laughing having a gale time and then we're like okay. I'll done with that. So we paddle away but then we see that it's now following us following us following us following us and then we lose sight of it for seconds and then all of a sudden hero swan comes dives at us. We flip over fall into the lake and god. No black is but it's cell phones in the water. that's like a horror. That's like a horror movie where you keep turning around in this closer closer than all right there. Yeah yeah so it definitely got us back for annoying but yeah. They're they're dangerous creatures. I can attest to it vicious in firms. Olive jesse's intact to the swan. Yes i would have believed them unlike pretty much everybody else yeah really. Just luke is the only person but signed no. Can we talk about how in the episode. He tells rory the way he got. The black guy is from throwing a football around. Why does she believe that. That kid has ever thrown a football and like who are these friends. He's referring to the only person he lacks in stars. Hollow rory who. Yeah last i checked is just like sports. Every time she sees sports. Yeah i don't buy it. No so policy does this actual reference come. The reference comes when law rely is getting ready to go to new york with. Alex and sukey and jackson and rory is going to stay home for the weekend. She's planning to bring justice. Friday night dinner with just grandma end and they have a little discussion about what should be happening for the after party. So probably grabs working the logistics. Tonight i am going to study at school. That i'm going to grandma's from their justice driving straight from work and then he showed me who come here is gonna drop matthew. Well guess that makes sense. I thought although don't know what are you sure. That's the best way to do it. Yeah y well he just means. You're coming home to an empty house. that's you're doing. Yeah but it might be kinda lonely year. Did you think about staying at mom's overnight. Yeah they've got those fancy beds that don't sag. And you're guaranteed a great norma desmond style breakfast. The next morning you don't have school works out perfectly also a little background before we move on. We are skipping episode. Three thirteen dear. Emily and richard. Which is the flash back at to see. Laura like giving birth to rory in. Meanwhile in present day rory going to see jiji's birth with sherry at the hospital And we mostly skip that one because we couldn't find a great reference that would discussion. But also i don't really look at episode now. You're not a lower. i flashback. Appreciator the young worldwide is not lauraingraham. Doesn't work for me. Yeah i li- i mean. It's something different. I i watch it when it when it comes up but pretty no no strong opinions from me. Okay well but it might be relevant that this is the episode where we're clashing fact. Laura getting pregnant as a teen giving birth and now she's feeling a little anxiety thrown about her own daughter. Yeah so when she suggests that rory stays back in hangs with grandma. An has norma desmond style breakfast. What the heck did you think she meant by that. No idea did not know who norma desmond was or what kind of breakfast she serves pictured like like A chef or something like that. 'cause yeah Emily would serve a a nice breakfast. We've seen her do it before with rory when she's come over but yeah i didn't know what about you i think about the same thing. I assumed it meant a great breakfast. Because she's trying to sell us to rory We know they love good food. That's about when you left again too. Showy love do it so we're talking about the one the only the nineteen fifties classic sunset boulevard. Oh yes i we could just sing the music on our own like you know because we definitely never seen this podcast. No but the music in this movie is jury as in pretty nice pretty much everything else. In this movie i mean. Did you like this movie. I guess i should say i did good. If you like this movie. I really liked this movie Not in the same way as xanadu which front reasons. Yes which. I was like so baffled. This movie could even exist. I admired for that reason. This is just a legitimately good movie. I think yeah now. How'd you watched it before watching it for this episode. Yes funny story. I washed it a years ago on net flicks when it was. They're currently not their bummer. But the funny thing is after watching that movie. I went abacha anything. Lower lion rory referenced. Us moving on so. I google to see if it was in gilmore. Girls and i was correct. And was that since we've started this podcast or before being so it was like i like in the last two years i think so. I just remember not feeling great in line on the couch staying home all night and we watched that movie in menominee both really liked it Yeah yeah i really enjoyed it. Like i loved the narration and the style it was it was finally. I've been hating all the movies recently so glad to have a a winner. Yeah that voiceover reminds me alive. Chinatown that he'll if you guys remember we talked about china down awhile back and that was another good one. Yeah so this movie sunset boulevard. It takes place mostly on sunset boulevard. But hollywood in hollywood in general. And you hear you see the beginning. A dead man in swimming pool two shots in the back. One of the stomach a writer. Nobody and then suddenly a narrator starts takes you back six months prior and you meet a writer a nobody who looks just like the debt guide pool the ta. So you start this movie. No one where it's going. Yes now did i know. Did i recognize from the beginning that the main character in the movie was also the dead guy in the pool no admittedly. I didn't 'cause sometimes things just don't completely click. But after i think i just kind of wasn't trying to figure it out and then eventually i was like. Oh wait this. This is the guy in the pool and his face is a little distorted in the water to. So if you're not super familiar with the actor. William holden I could see how you would not recognize him. His i think the first time i watched it i went is up good. But he's a down out of his luck rider just trying to make a dumb can't catch a break. Banks of after tankers car because he owes lots of money three months rent yada yada but he doesn't keep it in the garage. It keeps it parked nearby lot. Owner doesn't ask any questions so he takes his car out for a drive but those guys happen to see him while he's out begging for work has he's not getting any work as a screenwriter and so they shoot after him blow out his tires. He pulls off the side of the road and pulls into an empty garage. What he thinks doesn't empty mansion but alas a man greets him outside a woman up the stairs and a dead monkey. She thinks he's there to bury her monkey in a casket instead. She hires him to write or refined a very screenplay that she has written because she is the age films. Daw from the nineteen twenty as norma desmond. The greatest silent film star of all time and in her mind still the greatest star of all time. Everybody writes up. Fan letta's Everyone's just waiting for her comeback. Oh man this. And just i mean the this whole movie is narrated like this with The writer in the background. Oh little did i know. I walked down the street and no big deal lit. A cigarette. snuffed out couldn't stand it. Maybe slightly less melodramatic. But yes more or less is what happens. So they form a little little relationship companionship. He being her companion. She being his warden. It is definitely well. He thinks he's taking advantage of her because he needs a buck. And he's like this crazy. Kook screenplay is all over the place. I can do rewrites. This movie's never gonna get made no matter what i do. But also makes money off of her but then she sort of just kind of commandeer his life in moves all of his stuff in pays off his ran without his approval and she never gives him cash and she just like buys him lots of new clothes and gives him tons of gifts and invites him to her brooch games and then one night on new year's eve she throws a little party and they're the only ones there except for an orchestra and of course max. Omg max not max medina. I'll tell you that. Max her seemingly butler is about ller. He does basically anything she asks him to in basically everything. She thinks she needs that. She doesn't ask you to do and But he used to play different role in her life. Oh wait we'll get to that. We'll get to that. Because i i we just gotta save that. Reveal for what happens in the movie. I think has new year's eve the only one there this bananas. I'm getting out of here. He goes off to a party with lots of people his own age. Who are actually people who still work in hollywood in there having a grand old time ringing in the new year and he needs betty who had insulted one of his scripts at the beginning of the movie but they really find some like intellectual like they spar kind of build creative ideas off of each other But then he gets a call. For max norma has tried to kill ourselves because he laughed so he rushes back and in her emotionally manipulative way. That you to love blah blah blah blah blah because she's an emotional manipulator to the max he kisses her and they begin a love affair. Yep but then. He remembers his love for writing and he turns buddy down. I'm not gonna write with you. I'm done. I'm just going to hang out and mooch off of my mistress. But secretly at night he ends up stealing away to write with betty And norma finds out isn't isn't all too happy but i who finds out max. He's waiting in the garage at night when he comes back. And he's just standing there hint he reveals. This is the one that just gets me. That he was her first husband and he used to be a director of her films in the silent era and he discovered her get did he remain with her through her other marriages to right like he just unclear yup so weird of greed in so she tries to go to her old buddy sel see so be wiped. Ns old buddies mill. And says i got the script. I think we should make it. And he doesn't know how to tell her. Mom has been nobody cares. This script is garbage. We really just wanna rent your car. The only reason we're calling you and boy eating good and when finally are down on his leg screenwriter. Which have we actually said his name. Joe played by william hudson's name. Joe gillis remember that his name. Yeah i kinda thought. It was max but That's that's the butler butler husband. Yeah butler ex-husband one. Finally joe tells her the truth. She's not having it and she shoots him in the ends up in the pool a gun that she bought to kill herself but instead kills him and it's clear that she did it pops come press come and she goes into a trance and believes that her come back is now. She's at the studio. She is the princess in her screenplay and walks down the stairs. The lights and cameras are on her. Max's directing. She thinks that he's see sold the mill and stares into the camera. The most insane scary look for close up ready for my closeup mr neil. Yeah we summarize that good. And i guess one little plot third we left hanging joe finally faces up to betty and tells her what's been going on 'cause they were gonna run away together. She was gonna leave her fiance for him. But norma's creepy colin betty. What are you know about it. Do you really know anything about. Joe finally tells the truth has come over to the mansion sensor away presumably to save her life. I've really i thought like something. Flipped in him and he just thought. I don't know like he just thought mom i don't know i didn't understand that why he didn't go with her because then he still packs up. He's leaving. norma tells the truth that max has been writing all these fan letters for all these years And that her movies never going to be made she has been. Nobody cares about her in the public life anymore. And he's leaving now. He's leaving now that you've been investigate again. But that's also because she shot him in the back and he yeah so he can't come back. Yeah but this movie. I found burning. I feel like our plot. Summary doesn't do it. Justice dramatic moments in the dark shadows and is high quality huge mansion wall. Talk about that mansion. Good she was a fool of there was something phony in my setup was a. He'll you just can't say those things to somebody you're crazy about. Maybe i'd never have to. Maybe i could get away with it. Get away from norma. Maybe i could wipe the whole nasty mess right out of my life sunset boulevard in nineteen fifty. Only once who think this is a good movie what i know it won three oscars for best screenplay best black and white art direction and best score and it was nominated for eight more including best picture best editing best black and white cinematography best director in four acting awards. Wow this movie's ready big deal and there were other people who have great. The american film institute says it is the sixteenth greatest movie of all time. It has the sixteenth greatest movies score and it has to quotes in their top. One hundred movie quotes all right. Mr the male. I'm ready for my close up. And i am big. It's the pictures like small. Oh that's such a good one. I know when. I watched that the other night who had that. It's such a good line. I just wish i could talk like that. Some fun facts in fun. Little stories about the production. Gene kelly from xanadu was considered for the lead in this movie. But it didn't work out with studio contracts. Yeah 'cause when we think gene kelly we think xanadu that's what he's from. Obviously that's the number one most important role. Gb page when they went into production for this movie they only had sixty one pages of script written. And for those of you. Who don't know it's not a perfect one one ratio but usually they say about one page script is about one minute of screen time so that means they had about an hour of the movie done So they had to shoot it more or less in order. That made the character of norman. Desmond's acting a little bit easier. It said this. Help laureus warrants in the actress. Who played her and descend more into madness easily. Yeah cool a couple other funds stories from this. There is a prank that they pulled on nancy olson. Who played betty. The billy wilder as a prank on her. When she was kissing william holden he didn't call cut in kept waiting for them to finish like just like see how long it took them. Finally somebody yelled cut in. It was william holden's wife. She was like i'm done. I'm not having this anymore. Goodness yeah yeah yeah. However william holden's wife was not the most high maintenance person making this movie. I tell you what Apparently a lot of people for one didn't want this movie to get made. Who worked in hollywood so to keep people from learning more about it paramount. Call this movie is working. Title was a can of these. Why with that just like to deter people's interest. I guess yeah. Do they really mean it as a plan. A can of worms. I have no idea what this was for hollywood. He would open. Will i guess. Apparently people were saying like people may not want this movie to get made and after it came out there was another studio had from mgm louisville. Mayor he apparently said to the director. You have disgraced the industry that made in you. You should be tarred feathered and run out of hollywood in supposedly. He even tried to buy the movie so he could destroy it. How i know. Isn't that this this. This movie was a criticism of hollywood in some ways. But it also fell comedic. I mean it was laying it up While end to tie into that they had looked at getting the actress. Mae west to be in the role of norma desmond and apparently she did not want to be in it because she thought she was still a great star and she had been wavering. The thirties so she was not wanting to play husband who she did. Not think she was has been much like norma desmond. Yup i also saw that they considered. I mean several people For this role and some of them were just horrified at the idea And actually the guy who played max eric von stroheim. He regretted in this movie because he was like hard like that butler role and he was mad when he was nominated for best supporting actor because he thought it was an insult and he threatened to sue because he didn't think he was a supporting actor because they thought he was a lead. I don't know i don't know he. He was elite. He's definitely not the lead in this movie hall. So i don't know i guess. He just found the term insulting a lot of high maintenance people. That just seems to confirm a lot of what this movie was trying to say. Yeah wow okay anyway. So some little fun facts for you that this movie apparently is about as accurate as it is depicting at least about how personalities clash in egos get involved in. Hollywood egos senior before. I know your face off like i said it used to be in silent. Pictures used to be big. I am except pictures that got small now not that i would call not that i would say gloria well. I don't know if she was higher as or not. But gloria you know some of her life seemed to be a little similar to her own characters win. Considering the character of norma desmond was and her ego her lack of self awareness. I wouldn't say it's a compliment to save her. Life was a little bit similar. But it was so norma desmond in the film. She had four marriages. I think three in the film okay. Also three and a half. You know gloria. She had. I think it was about six. Okay so yeah. Lots of marriages. More of an elizabeth taylor type then Exactly all starred in silent films. And just like norma desmond with sound film actress who is trying to be in a talkie and now she was this movie also wasn fact. Gloria swanson's comeback. Much like much. Like norma desmond was trying to get her big comeback with her terrible film. This was actually swanson's comeback. It got her first golden globe win in her twenty something years of acting lots of connections but i listened to an interview with her. And it's with of course barbara walters and and she was ninety five at the time she was active up an atom hennelly. Very white But she did talk about you. Know the award. But also other effects from her playing the role of norma desmond. People are terrified of may because of that road lot of people. Look at as if i'm gonna go off anymore. Suddenly tokyo mac not not voice and that is at all not. There's no. i don't know anyone like that in california. It's kinda sad that people were scared of her because of that role while hopefully she could take it as a compliment meaning. She was a very good actress. Who had played a very convincing role. Go there we go. That can always happen to actors and actresses in different roles that they take on it can become their role ever. I mean that certainly happens like in dome series like harry potter over. Sure the hunger games they become that character only so it can be hard to to break out of that but this is at the end of her career so it's just kind of a way to remember her the end Some other people in this movie were played almost themselves course. The played himself but the bridge partners that she People that she played bridge with in the movie. We're actually other silent film stars in real life. They were in the movie but they were also in real life so again. It's these people who are have become little outdated obsolete if they can't transition into speaking in film whereas some of the actors who are in there. I know one of them. He went onto play in lots of movies as a probably in buster can move. I'm guessing but some of the people. Yeah they played themselves and in reality they were no longer no longer film stars. So it's kinda sad and kind of surprising that they took it on but you know luck there it could have always changed afterward but kind of interesting there that people were kind of playing themselves or at least their state in life will in. Did you know that will be demille helped. Make gloria swanson famous. Oh yes yeah. They worked on movies together in nineteen nineteen actually like that early on and which she goes to visit him in this movie. She wears a peacock feather in her hat. Which isn't oh my gosh to a movie. They made together decades earlier called male and female which i thought was really money. Yeah and also their nicknames for each other were the rare real life nickname. Remind me those. Mr demille which not that that's nickname. But that's what she always call him and then his or her was like young young lady or young young fellow young fellow while and he's not the only director in this movie that she had worked within the silent era. Did you realize that will know eric. Von stroheim who played max really was a director and he had directed glorious swanson in a movie called queen kelly however it also did not end well in real life no so this movie called queen. Kelly may in nineteen twenty nine. The original director was gone. Stroheim max but she fired him a third of the way through the movie because he was spending way too much money and then they went on to play these parts together Wow and the movie that she watches with. William holden is footage from queen. Kelly and all those old pictures of her are real old pictures of her. There's a lot of overlap. Between what is what is fiction and one is reality. The lions real blurred. Yeah this movie. It knows what's up getting to real still under full isn't it and no dialer. We didn't need to add on. We had pasted suggests daily faces like that ending. Or maybe one garbo idiot produced those stills and got in the is have forgotten what a star looks like. I told i know that scene where they watch a movie. She has this beautiful in home movie theaters she never has sleepers house which is great. If you're in denial about the rest of the world but it really was in a twenty five room mansion actually um wilshire boulevard. not sunset boulevard. Amman i know and they had to make some major refurbishments to this house to make it fit for the movie so they added the swimming pool which is a pretty big expense but they also did a huge redecoration inside to make it look as green does it does in the movie. You cannot see this house today. It had been nicknamed the phantom house because it remained empty for many years. Even though it was owned by j paul getty who you might know as the namesake of the getty museum in l. a. but it was destroyed in nineteen fifty seven on purpose. It sounds like it much like xanadu. However you know what this made me think of as we watch this movie and i was reading about. This house grey gardens refusing to acknowledge what's going on in the world staying inside her house and just not paying attention to the rest of the world getting lost in the past time and living in this really ridiculous twenty five room mansion. Yeah yeah that looks on occupied yoon emotionally manipulating someone to stay in the house. Yes wow very similar. Yeah don't do it. don't do it. Gloria or oh man. I use that line very frequently in life now But i love this about you. And i can't wait to keep hearing more so many other people though have tried to be norma desmond in the foremost parodies always that we love the one. The only one that has played her at least three times in different sketches. I saw and didn't know skits i did watch one of them. She calls herself nora desmond. Not yet but every other details almost the same. Yes max is. They're acting as crazy in protective as always at the first one. They go to a restaurant and she is just begging max to keep the fans away from her. There's there's no one paying any attention to her another one there at a roast and they're going to roast nor desmond and you can guess how well that goes. Let's just say most people end up dead. Thank you max. But in the end you know. Max has a little a little change of heart. When he's given the mike i have. Nonni grits filmstar northeast month for fifty years. I have directed her in twelve classic motion pictures. The world will never see another mike on the of incredible theatrical talent but she is matched as a human being. She is dedicated. She is involved. fees committed. Should be appreciate how this lady's just contributed immensely for business. Here's made hollywood today slum. Although famous for her dramatic roles north desma so has tremendous flair for comedy. Yes she has a lot of funny lines. Unfortunately they're all on. Her face has always been a soft spot in my heart for you. I think it's gas depending berlin to world on halloween. I send out as role so then in the final one. Max does kill someone for for her with a gun so that you know sticks with the movie but there's so many lines that are similar so you cannot they'll be in our tumblers gotta go watch them or just look them up on youtube. Carol burnett to follow up the one where he kills. Someone is the one where they're trying to rape her eulogy right. That's the one. I watched with trying to write her eulogy and ends up with them killing somebody else to write their eulogy make sense but there was also a recent. Snl sketch from two thousand thirteen. Jon hamm is in here and basically. She is just constantly ready for her close up at the door. I hope it's not a pirate in speaking baseman from the sunset boulevard. Miss gloria swanson from lalita. Mr james mason pokes i'm pie I don't really see a lot of evidence for as dressing maragos agreed you would wear costume. I'm a pie to tell about the actor. That's what i do. When i say i'm up high read by a which i mean christian wag great person for that. And she's got the hands the crazy ganders always and bonus. Jon hamm is actually doing a pretty great james mason impression among you might remember. James mason. plays judy garland's husband in a star is born malaysian interesting. While another nothing to note though is that she's introducing gloria swanson from sunset boulevard. But she's supposed to be the actress herself so but she's plane crazy and lord wants to set herself that people thought she was crazy after playing this role so yeah but also it's way funnier person would be crazy that crazy. Yeah but i mean. They also could've introduced her as norma desmond today. I guess that's true. Well in carol. Burnett gloria swanson and kristen. Wake or not the only people to play. Norma desmond did you know this. Oh in nineteen ninety three andrew lloyd. Webber made a version of sunset boulevard for the stage. It's a musical and it started with patti lupone. And then in nineteen eighty four. It came to broadway with glenn close and she has now played the role twice. She won a tony award for it. In nineteen ninety five g reprise role in twenty seventeen for a revival of the play. And they're about to make a movie of it all my goodness. I have heard none of this. Yeah so basically. We all know glenn close. Big deal was nominated for an oscar this year. Everybody kinda thought she was gonna finally win. She didn't so now. of course. there's lots of talkies. this is going to be the one. She's won a tony romo. She finally win an oscar for this in the play of course one tenth of oscars and the person that is going to be directing. It has won tonys for best choreography and basically this is going to be deal. I'm so excited to see this as a musical. Yeah i know my gosh and need to look up the music now in glenn close. I mean it's going to be great. Awesome ooh this is exciting so under the come out it is going to begin filming this fall so i suspect it will be a late. Twenty twenty release maybe early. Twenty twenty one. That's just my vast gas but if they're going to do the award season run probably later in the year. Never it is nice. That's exciting musicals man. They're the best. This'll be a good musical. I mean clearly already is because it. But i'll i'll be able to experience. Yes i agree. So should we talk about how this reference fits into the world of gilmore girls. No i'd rather talk about more parodies of people play norma desmond what like who like me. Just kidding. tug girls will should we mentioned this is not the only episode that mentions sunset boulevard. What they don't mention this amazing movie just the one time. No in fact it's four times. Oh my oh. Let's play a little montage. So i've decided seeing myself for. William holden routes nice out here in left field. Hey i'm sorry central boulevard on last night. I don't know i've known for years. Sabrina stolac seventeen and yet last night something snapped. I think it was the monkey seen here. Dead don't the monkey. William folding clothes mr smith just about to discourage drivers who would test our laws and photographing and punish those who do a camera. You run a red light. It's time for your closeup. Mr demille go taylor gilmore girls taylor rather for adding another sunset boulevard reference time for your mr mill except mr demille was not the person getting the close up so that at okay but but i guess talking about maybe he was saying if another person red runs a red light than it's time for their closeup. Mr demille i don't know not a perfect usage but i get it Well and i love that. Rory guesses what made laura -lize love for william holden become clear. She thinks it's the monkey scene which one other fun fact about the production of the movie. I did not share that. I think is relevant now. One of the crew members asked the director. Billy wilder how he was gonna shoot the burial scene of the monkey and he said You know the usual monkey funeral in quits a nice. Yeah we all need a usual monkey funeral sequence in all movies. I think honestly for sure especially when the monkeys are clearly stuffed you know. Yeah afer effort. Yeah so but this now this reference the way the one. We're talking about the way this used so. Emily gilmore Another norma desmond. But here's my first question. Do we ever seen norma desmond eat breakfast in sunset boulevard. Exactly my thought we ever see them. Eat anything let's see. We see them hanging out by the pool. We see them. Drink some champagne Years he has caviar but we don't see him consumers. Yeah interesting because i was thinking oh mood have like did. I just miss the scene where they eat breakfast together. There's no food consumed in this movie. Yeah yeah even though. He's a starving artist. Maybe that's why because he's not eating literally so now. But thinking about norma desmond as emily gilmore. Now the type of breakfast norma desmond would serve. I mean fancy should all the money in the world. She was giving him gold cigarette cases. There's no you know there'd be plenty there but one similarity. I thought was once you come to norma desmond. Earn emily gilmore home. You can't just leave that is true. You get trapped in their world gilmore. D- this is an excellent comparison emotionally manipulated in the stain in the house. Which definitely happens when rory is having their fight with more rely later down the road. She ends up staying with richard and emily instead. Emily creates a bedroom for her much. Like norma desmond brains. All of joe stuff to her house and moves them in without her consent now. Emily doesn't take any roy's things but she does create a room for her and she does ask i. I may not be getting. these boy. Vans a hundred percent right. But do you like 'n sync the backstreet boys or ninety eight degrees best and put some avoid poster in her room. Yes yes so since interesting. Similarities there end like norma desmond pretty much everything she does over the top In this house is bananas super grandiose. Obviously emily and richard houses now but to lure ally she probably is a little bit over. The top like morbid desmond. This house is too grandiose. Yeah so no food served. But i think what this meant was huge top. She'll give you whatever you need to be there to be comfortable. It would be lavish well. And i think i've heard people comment before that. Emily really likes to show love through money in through buying things in you know you know the way she gives money for worries chiltern the way that she gives money for rory to go to jail and when rory says i don't want your anymore i don't want your money anymore. That's a huge deal to her. Into richard but especially to emily And both she norma desmond definitely try to buy people's affections Obviously emily is not quite as terrible as normal. Do not get me wrong. She is not on the same level. She is not evil eye. She has some twisted aspects to her relationships with her family. That's also true of every single person. Ever it feels like a normal person level of family dysfunction in a lotta ways. Yeah but they both definitely try and buy things to win your affection to win your presence to keep you around. And that i mean is exactly how norma tries to get joe to stay. She says what you want okay. You didn't want this. You don't want these catholics. You don't want these suits. Fine what do you want to give it to you. just stay. Don't go away. And then when she can't have him she's like well i can't have them. Nobody will bang bang. And that's exactly what happened in a year in the life. The alternative sure. Okay not so much. But yeah. And i mean i do remember an. Emily gilmore breakfast. When roy was staying there when she dropped out of yale and there was everything was on the table. Yeah rory had none of it because she wanted. Eat the muffin in her room. So no muffin at all. No muffins so kayla. So taylor her show. That's oh we're ready for close. Oh viewers you have been spared. Not seem kyle scary face. She looks like she's getting way too close to the camera man like she might ready for her. Close up in the gloria swanson. Calloway guys. Definitely i would say watch. This movie. Have a ball get ready for the musical. Let us know what you think about this movie. This episode did we miss anything. Hardly perfect greatest podcasters of all time cast all. But you can find us on twitter at so it's show temblor so to show podcast data dot com. You can find us tiny letter dot com slash so to show and guess what you can find us in a new pod catcher. 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ep 59: A great Norma Desmond style breakfast

So it's a show?: keeping up with the Gilmore Girls

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ep 59: A great Norma Desmond style breakfast

"Yeah. Hello, and welcome to, so it's a show of big podcast where we attempt to keep up with Laura line Roy's pop culture, references on Gilmore girls. I'm kyla? Taylor. And we're ready for our closer. Your might say where Vic, the pop culture references at small. Exactly. We're talking to fun movie today. I mean, I think fun in some ways. Yeah. Depending on how you define bun. It's not like fun in gains. Right. More like entertaining. Yes. And I mean it's like it's a breakout my fifty style boys. Oh, no. Because we've got our thirties style voice. The got hap- scoop. Yeah, it's I guess I kind of do the same voice. Hey, either way, I it feels like we're going back to an era past. Yes, black and white days. The only good ways to be everything before nineteen ninety black and white. Exactly. But before we get into black and whites madness. Maybe we should have a little best worst with Gilmore girls. Love it. Always the best. The worst. The worst. So Taylor, you know comebacks that, that could mean terp it'd in different ways. So I'm curious to see how will do that. But why don't you share best with us? All right. As soon as you said, let's do Gilmore roles comebacks because the movie were talking about today is all about a potential comeback. The first person I thought of Jess Maryono. What a breath of fresh air, every time that kid came back. I think I've told the story before, but when he was on the show and his original run, I hated him. I was team dean I thought he was a big snow. Every time he kept coming back to stars hollow. I was like, okay, this kid's got more depth to I'm here for it in. I think my live into Melia did a great job really fleshing out that character even in short episodes seasons for through six. Yeah. He did come back a lot because he left a lot or was forced to leave a lot. Yeah. So I feel like he always brought something back to the show and impacted the characters who were still there fulltime in really important ways. It wasn't just like a fun, cameo. Yeah. I mean worry he got her to go back to college. Try to convince it run away with him. His mom down the aisle. Yeah. Wrote a book couldn't have done it without her. All the things. Yeah. That, that's a really good one that tops that need a best that win. All right. What's your worse than so my worst would have to be, and not not maybe for the reason you might think but max Medina really. So I I've actually been watching season one right or season one and so I started season two, and so it's Laura lion, max early years. And I it got me remembering the later later in what is it season two or three when they keep running into each other? Yeah. She sees him at the parents meeting, and she's like, oh, he he just treat me like a normal person and seen him at another event. Why do you treat me like a normal person will because we broke up, what are we supposed to do, like it's awkward? And so I hate all the times when they see each other again and Laura lies exp-. Affecting something big when it's over, and it should just remain over. So I don't like this. Yeah. Agreed. And honestly, I feel bad for max in that episode. Yes, his it feels like Laura lies literally cornering him in the closet room. The coke class it room. He has, like, I just wanna get out of here with no drama and she's not having it. Yeah, come on Laurey. You can do this. Yeah. Let it be let it be. Hey, we're not at Shea Stadium in this episode. Were on a major street instead. Sunset. Should we get into the episode that this reference comes from? I think so. Excellent today, we are talking about Gilmore girls, three fourteen swansong. And if you say it real fast, it sounds like Swanson, which will come back to this episode. Aired on Marie eleventh. Two thousand three in the plot. Summary is Laura Lee has often New York with Alex sukey in Jackson side note they see a terrible musical. Meanwhile, Jess gets a black guy and doesn't want anyone to know just how it happened which leads to trouble at Friday night dinner. My room. Doesn't every Friday night dinner lead to trouble at Friday night dinner. Each true. But it is a new level of trouble when Jess comes in has this big of a deductible. His first visit. That was unfortunate. I would agree. And the fact that he got a black eye from swan that is one of the reveals may be left pretty hard for stem watch the show. He. Have you ever come into contact with swan net close up in honestly, this episode makes me glad that's the case. Have we feel like we've already discussed my encounter with swan in a previous episode remind me so my dad and I were innocently paddling along in a lake and there was a big swan and we decide to follow it, and we're following following getting kind of close to it. Ha ha, laughing having a gale time, and then we're like okay all done with that. So we paddle away. But then we see that it's now following us following us following us following us. And then we lose sight of it for second and then all of a sudden hero. Swan comes dives at us, we flip over fall into the lake. God. No black is. But cell phones in the water. That's like a horror, that's like a horror movie where you keep turning around Innis closer closer than all right there. Yeah. Yeah. So it definitely got us back for annoying it, but yeah, they're they're dangerous creatures. I can attest to it vicious in firms all of Justice intactness tour of the swan. Yes, I would have believed him. Unlike pretty much everybody else. Yeah. While really just Luke is the only old but side note can we talk about how the end of the episode. He tells Rori the way he got the black guy is from throwing a football around why does she believe that that kid went has ever thrown football? And like who are these friends? He's referring to the only person he lacks stars hallows Rory who. Yeah. Last I checked is just like sports. Every time she sees sports. Yeah. I don't buy it. No. So let's see, when does this actual reference come be reference comes when law rely is getting ready to go to New York with Alex, and sukey Jackson and Rory is going to stay home for the weekend. She's planning to bring justify tonight dinner with just grandma. He end and they have a little discussion about what should be happening for the after party. So probably working logistics tonight. I am going to study at school, and I'm going to grandma's from their Justice driving straight from work, and then he showed me. I'm here guys gonna drop Matthew. I guess that makes sense I thought Joe although. No, what are you sure, that's the best way to do it. Yeah. Well, he just means you're coming home to an empty house. You're doing that might have it might be kinda lonely year. Did you think about staying at mom's overnight? They've got those fancy beds that don't sag. You're guaranteed a great Norma Desmond style breakfast, the next morning you don't have school works. Perfectly also a little background before we move on. We are skipping episode three thirteen dear, Emily, and Richard, which is the flashback episode to see Laura like giving birth to Rory. And meanwhile in the present day, Rory going to see geez birth with Sherry at the hospital. And we mostly skip that one because we couldn't find a great reference that would discussion. But also, I don't really like that episode. Now you're not a lower life, flashback, just appreciator, the young relies not work. Ingraham. It just doesn't work for me. Yeah, I, I mean it's something different. I, I watch it when it when it comes up, but. Yeah. Pretty no, no strong opinions from me. Okay. Well, but it might be relevant that this is the episode where we're flashing back to Laura getting pregnant as a teen giving birth. And now she feeling willing Zayed's her own about her daughter. Yeah. So when she suggests that Rory stays back in hangs with grandma an has a Norman, Desmond style breakfast. What the heck did he think she met by that? No idea. Did not know Norma Desmond was or what kind of breakfast. She serves. But I just kinda pictured like like a chef or. Something like that. 'cause yeah. Emily would serve a nice breakfast. We've seen her do before with Rory when she's come over. But. Yeah. I didn't know what about you. I think about the same thing. I assumed it meant a great breakfast because obviously, she's trying to sell us to Rory. We know they love good food. That's about new. Yeah. While let's dig into showy love to do it. So we're talking about the one the only the nineteen fifties classic Sunset Boulevard. Oh, yes. I wish we could just sing the music on our own like you know, because we definitely never seen this podcast. But the music in this movie is your rate as pretty nice pretty much everything else in this movie. I mean, did you like this movie I guess I should say, I did good if you like this movie I really liked this movie, not in the same way is xanadu. And which different reasons. Yes, in which I was like so baffled, this movie could even exist. I admired it for that reason this is just a legitimately, good movie. I think now how'd you watched it before watching that for this upset? Yes. Funny story. I watched it a couple years ago on net flicks when it was there, currently not there, bummer. But the funny thing is after watching that movie I went about you anything lower lion. Roy referenced this movie I am, so I gue- goal to see if it was in Gilmore girls in, I was correct. And was that since we've started this podcast or before Inc? So it was like, like in the last two years. I think so I just remember not feeling great in line on the couch. Staying home all night. And we watched that movie in Menominee, both really liked it. Yeah. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. Like I loved the narration e end the style, it, it was fun. Finally, I've been hating all the movies recently. So glad to have a a winner. Yeah. That film Noir ish. Voiceover reminds me a while of Chinatown that he'll if you guys remember you talked about China down awhile back and that was another good one. Yeah. So this movie Sunset Boulevard. It takes place. Mostly on Sunset Boulevard Hollywood in Hollywood in general, and you hear you see the beginning a dead man in swimming pool two shots in the back, one of the stomach writer, nobody, and then suddenly a narrator starts takes you back. Six months prior, and you meet a writer nobody who looks just. Like the debt guy the pool. The so you start this movie. No one where it's going. Yes. Now, did I know did I recognize from the beginning that the main character in the movie was also the dead guy in the pool? No, admittedly. I didn't. 'cause sometimes things just don't completely click. But after I think I just kind of wasn't trying to figure it out. And that eventually, I was like, oh, wait this. This is the guy in the pool. Yeah. And his face is a little distorted a water too. So if you're not super familiar with the actor William Holden, I could see how you would not recognize him. His I think the first time I watched it. I went up to God. But he's a down out of his luck or trying to make a dumb. Can't catch a break bakes of after tangkas car, 'cause he owes lots of money, three months, rent yada, yada. But he doesn't keep it in the garage. It keeps it parked nearby. Lot owner doesn't ask any questions. So he takes his car out for a drive, but those guys happen to see him while he's out, begging for work has he's not getting any work as a screenwriter. And so they shoot after him blow out his tires. He pulls off the side of the road and pose into an empty garage of what he thinks is an empty mansion, but alas. A man greets him outside a woman up the stairs and dead monkey. Yes. She thinks he's there to bury her monkey in a casket. But instead, she hires him to write or refine, a very long screenplay that she has written because she is the age films. Da from the nineteen twenty is all about Desmond. The greatest silent film star of all time an home, I still the greatest star of all time. Everybody writes fan, let us than she is. Everyone's just waiting for her comeback. Oh man. This end just I mean, the, this whole movie is narrated like this with the, the writer in the background. Oh my little did. I know I walked down the street. Nobody deal lit a cigarette snuffed it out. Couldn't stand it. Maybe slightly less melodramatic. But yes, more or less, what happens so they form out little little relationship. Companionship, he being her companion? She being his warden. It is definitely. Well, he thinks he's taking advantage of her because he needs a buck. And he's like this crazy Kook. Screenplay is all over the place. I can do rewrite this movie's never gonna get made no matter what I do, but also make some money off of her. But then she sort of just kind of commandeer his life in moves all of his stuff and pays off his Ren took without his approval, and she never gives him cash. And she just like buys him. Lots of new clothes and gives him tons of gifts. And invites him to her bridge games. Yeah. And then one night on New Year's Eve, she throws a little party and they're the only ones there, except for an orchestra. And of course, max Owen g max not max Medina. I'll tell you that I know max her seemingly Butler, he is about ller. He does basically anything she asks him to end in basically everything she thinks she needs that she doesn't ask him to do and but he used to play different role in her life. Oh, wait. We'll get to that. We'll get to that because I, we just gotta save that reveal for what happens in the movie. I think. All right. Because New Year's Eve, the only one there, he's like, this is bananas. I'm getting out of here. He goes off to a party with lots of people his own age, who are actually people who still work in Hollywood in there. Having a grand old time ringing in the new year he needs Betty who had insulted, one of his scripts at the beginning of the movie, but they really find some like intellectual like they Spar kind of build creative ideas off of each other. But then he gets a call from max. Norma has tried to kill ourselves because he left, so he rushes back and in her emotionally manipulative way that you love, love, blah, blah, blah, blah, because she's in motion, manipulator to the max, he kisses her and they begin a love affair. Yep. But then he remembers his love for writing and he turns buddy down. I'm not gonna write with you. I'm done. I'm just going to hang out and mooch off of my mistress, but secretly at night. He ends up. Stealing away to writing that her. To write with Betty. And normal finds out isn't isn't all too happy. But I who finds out max. He's waiting in the garage at night when he comes back and he's just handing their hint. He reveals this is the one that just gets me that he was hurt. I has been and he used to be director of her films in the silent era. And he discovered her yet, did he remain with her through her other marriages to right? Like he just unclear. Yep. So weird greed in. So she tries to go to her old, buddy, seasonal. See so be why that she goes to her old, buddy still be mill and says, I got the script. I think we should make it. And he doesn't know how to tell her. The MoMA you has been nobody cares. This script is garbage. We really just wanna rent your car to only reason we're calling you. E end. Boy, hitting good in when finally. Are down on his lex screenwriter, which have we actually said his name Joe played by William Hudson's name. Yeah. Joe gillis. I did not remember that his name. Yeah. I kind of thought it was max. But that's, that's the Butler Butler husband. Yeah. Butler husband. Yeah. When finally Joe tells her the truth, she's not having it. She shoots him in the ends up in the pool. Yeah. A gun that she bought to kill herself. But instead kills him and it's clear that she did it pops come press come, and she. Goes into a trance and believes that her come back is now she's at the studio. She is the Princess in her screenplay and walks down the stairs, the lights and cameras are on her Max's directing. She thinks that he's see sold the mill. And stares into the camera the most insane scary. Look for close up already for my closeup Mr. nil. Ooh. Yeah. We summarize that good realize, and I guess one little plot third, we left hanging. Joe finally fences up to Betty and tells her what's been going on because they were gonna run away together. She is gonna leave her fiance for him. But enormous creepy Colin Betty. What do you know about it? Do you really know anything out? Joe? Finally tells her the truth has come over to the mansion sensor away, presumably to save her life. I've really I thought like something flipped in him. And he like, just thought I don't know. Like he just thought I don't know. I didn't understand that why he didn't go with her because then he still packs up. He's leaving Norma. Yeah. Tells her the truth that max has been writing all these fan letters for all these years, and that her movies never going to be made. She's a has been nobody cares about her in the public life anymore. In these Lieven. Now he's even that you've been Beck again, but that's also she shot him in the back and he landed. Yeah. So he can't come back. Yeah. But this movie I found super entertaining. I feel like our plot summary doesn't do it. Justice is hovered Matic, moments on the dark shadows than is high quality, huge mansion. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about that mansion good. She was fool, not the suits of there was something foamy in my setup. With a he'll not to tone. Just can't say those things to somebody, you're crazy about. Maybe I'd never have to. Maybe I could get away with it get away from Norma. Maybe I can wipe the whole nasty mess right out of my life. Sunset Boulevard female in nineteen fifty. And we're now the only ones who thinks this is a good movie. What I know it won three Oscars for best screenplay best black and white art direction, Ian best score, and it was nominated for eight more, including best picture best editing best black and white cinematography, best director in all four acting awards. Wow. This is ready. Big deal. And there were other people who have flu news. Great. The American Film Institute says it is the sixteenth greatest movie of all time. It has the sixteenth greatest movie score and it has to quotes in their top one hundred movie quotes. All right. Mr. the male, I'm ready for my closeup AM I am big. It's the pictures like small, that's such a good one. I know when I watched that the other night that such a good line. I just I wish I could talk like that. Some fun facts in fun. Little stories about the production, Gene, Kelly from xanadu was considered for the lead in this movie, but it didn't work out with studio contracts. Yeah. Because when we think, Gene Kelly, we xanadu that's what he's from obviously. That's the number one most important role on as I am v page win. They went into production for this movie. They only had a sixty one pages of script written and for those of you who don't know it's not a perfect one to one ratio. But usually, they say about one page of script is about one minute of screen time. So that means they only had about an hour of the movie done. So they had to shoot it more or less in order that made the character of Norman Desmond's acting a little bit easier. It said this health, Laureus Warrenton, the actress who played her can descend more into madness easily. Yeah. Cool. A couple other front stories from this. There was a prank that they pulled on Nancy Olson, who played Betty the. Billy wilder as a prank on her when she was kissing. William Holden he didn't call cut. And kept waiting for them to finish. Like just like see how long it took them. Finally, somebody yelled cut in it was William Holden's wife. Like I'm done. I'm not having this anymore. Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. However, William Poulsen's wife was not the most high maintenance person making this movie. I tell you what. Apparently, a lot of people for one didn't want this movie to get made who worked in Hollywood. So to keep people from learning more about it paramount call this movie is working title was a can of beans. Why would that just like to deter people's interest? I guess. Yeah. Do they really mean it as a plan a can of worms? I have no idea. This was for Hollywood. Yeah. What it open. Why guess apparently people were saying, like people may not want this movie to get made? And after it came out there was another studio head from M, G M, Louis near he apparently said to the director, you have disgraced the industry, that made embed you, you should be tarred feathered run out of Hollywood in supposedly, he even tried to buy the movies, so he could destroy it. How isn't that this this, this movie was a criticism of Hollywood in some ways, but it, it also fell comedic. I mean it was laying it up while end to tie into that. They had looked at getting the actress Mae west to be in the role of Norma Desmond. And apparently she did not want to be in it, because she thought she was still a great star. And she had been vigor in the thirties. So she was not wanting to play has been. She did not think she was has been much like Norma Desmond. Yup. I also saw that they considered. I mean, several people for this role and some of them were just horrified at the idea. And actually, the guy who played max, Eric von Stroheim. He regretted being in this movie because he was like hard like that Butler role and he was mad when he was nominated for best supporting actor because he thought it was an insult, and he threatened to sue because he didn't think he was a supporting actor because they thought he was a lead. I don't know. I don't know if he thought he was lead. He's definitely not the lead in this movie all, so I don't know. I just found the tournaments -sulting ever allowed of high maintenance, people that just seems to confirm a lot of what this movie was trying to say. Yeah, wow. Okay. Anyway. So some little fun facts for you that this movie apparently is about, as accurate as it is fifty at least about how personalities clash in egos, get involved in Hollywood egos. Wait a minute have much senior before. I know your face out club I seven Desmond. Get used to be in pictures used to be big. I am the. Picture that got small. Now not that I would call not that I would say Gloria. Well, I don't know if she was higher ES or not. But Gloria, you know, some of her life seemed to be a little similar to her own characters win considering the character of Norma Desmond was, and her ego, her lack of self awareness, I wouldn't say it's a compliment to save her life was a little bit similar, but it was so Norma Desmond in the film. She had former urges, I think three in the film. Okay. We'll say three and a half. Gloria. She had. I think it was about six. Okay. So just sell at. Yeah. Lots of marriages more of an Elizabeth Taylor type them. Exactly. She also starred in silent films. And just like Norma Desmond with sound film actress, who is trying to be in a talkie. And now she was this movie also wasn't fact glorious Wanson comeback. Much like. Much like Norma Desmond was trying to get her big comeback with her terrible film. This was actually glorious wants come back. It got her first Golden Globe win in her twenty something years of acting lots of connections. But I listened to an interview with her. And it's with, of course, Barbara Walters and. And she was ninety five at the time. He was active up an atom hennelly, ready white, but she did talk about, you know, the award, but also other facts from her playing the role of Norma, Desmond people are terrified of may because of that role. Lot of people look at me as if I'm gonna go. All of the sudden Lehto. Hey, max. That kind of voice, and that is. Not many. I don't know anyone like that in California. It's kind of said that people were scared of her because of that role will hopefully she could take it as a compliment meaning she was a very good actress, who had played a very convincing role go. There we go that can always happen to actors and actresses in different roles that they take on it can become there will ever. I mean, that certainly happens like in dome series like Harry Potter over short, the hunger games. They become that character only so it can be hard to, to break out of that. But this is at the end of her career. So it's just kind of a way to remember her the end some other people in this movie were played almost themselves Coursey sold the mill played himself, but the bridge partners that she people that she played bridge with in the movie where actually other silent film stars in real life. We were in the movie, but they were also in real life. So again, it's these people who are have become little outdated little obsolete. If they can't transition into speaking in a film, whereas some of the actors who are in there. I know one of them he went onto play in lots of movies as a probably in BUSTER can move. I'm guessing. Yeah, yeah. But some of the people yeah, they played themselves. And in reality, they were no longer no longer film stars. So it's kinda sad and kind of surprising that they took it on. But, you know, look, there could have always changed afterward. But kind of interesting there that people were kind of playing themselves or at least their state in life will in. Did you know that cease will be demo- helped make glorious Wanson famous? Oh, yes, yeah. They worked on movies together in nineteen nineteen actually like that earlier on. In which she goes to visit him in this movie. She wears a peacock feather in her hat, which isn't much to a movie they made together decades earlier called male and female, which I thought was really fun. Yeah. And also their nicknames for each other were the rare real life nickname. Remind me those Mr. mill which not that, that's good name. But that's what she always call him. And then his for her was like young, young lady, or yet, young fellow young fellow. While he's not the only director in this movie that she had worked with in the silent era. Did you realize that will know Eric von Stroheim who played max really was a director and he had directed glorious Wanson in a movie or called Queen Kelly? However, it also did not end well in real life. No, so this movie called Queen Kelly mate, in nineteen twenty nine the original director was Eric von Stroheim max, but she fired him a third of the way through the movie because he was spending way too much money. And then they went on to play these parts together. Wow. And the movie that she watches with William Holden is footage from clean Kelly. And all those old pictures of her are real old pictures of her. There's a lot of overlap between what is what is fiction. And one is reality, the lines real blurred. Yeah. This movie. It knows what's getting too real. Still undefeated. And no dialogue. We didn't eaten that we had faced. The jets faces like that anymore. Maybe one double. Eighty produced. And got in the is forgotten. What a stall looks like I was told. I know that scene where they wash movie. She has this beautiful in home movie theaters. She never has levers house, which is great. If you're in denial about the rest of the world, but it really was in a twenty five room mansion actually on Wilshire boulevard. Not sunset are on. I know. And they had to make some major refurbishments to this house to make it fit for the movie. So they added this woman pool. Which is a pretty big expense. But they also did a huge redecoration inside to make it look, as grand as it does in the movie you cannot see this house today, it had been nicknamed the phantom house, because it remained empty for many years, even though it was owned by J Paul Getty, who you might know as the namesake of the Getty museum in L, A. But it was destroyed in nineteen fifty seven. On purpose? It sounds like it much like xanadu. However, you know what this made me think of as we will actually this movie, and I was reading about this house grey gardens. Oh, refusing to acknowledge what's going on in the world stain inside her house. And just not paying attention to the rest of the world getting lost in the past time and living in this really ridiculous. Twenty five remain Shen. Yeah. Yeah. That looks on occupied in motionlessly manipulating someone to stay in the house cutter. Yes. Wow. Very similar. Yeah. Don't do it. Don't do Gloria out so mad. Oh man. I use that line. Very frequently in life. Now I didn't know that. But I love this about you. And I can't wait to keep hearing more. So many other people though, have tried to be. Norma desmond. In the form of parodies always. We love. The one the only cable net has played her at least three times in different sketches that I saw he ended. No skits. I did watch one of them. She calls herself. Nora Desmond not yet, but every other details almost the same. Yes. Max is they're acting as crazy protective as always at the first one that go to restaurant. And she is just begging max to keep the fans away from her. There's, there's no one pain any attention to her another one. They're out of roast, and they're going to roast nor Desmond. And you can guess how well that goes. Let's say most people end up dead. Thank you, max. But in the end, you know, max has a little a little change of heart when he's given the Mike, I have on the grit, filmstar northeast for fifty years, directed her in twelve classic motion pictures the world will never see another Mike her on the only the of incredible theatrical talents. But she if I'm Mitch as a human being she is she is involved. She committed. At least you should be. You don't appreciate how great this lady's, just contributed immensely. The business made Hollywood what it is. Slum. Although. Famous her dramatic roles north is Michael tremendous flair for comedy, yes, she has a lot of funny lines. Unfortunately, their faith. Not always been a spot in my heart for you. I think it's gas. You think of these? Guests will girl into world on Halloween. I send them out as is. I'm at a minor role. So then in the final one max does kill someone for for her with the gun so that, you know, sticks with the movie, but there's so many lines that are similar. So you cannot they'll be in our temblor. See gotta go. We're just look them up on YouTube Carol. Burnett to follow up the one where he kills him when is the one where they're trying to rate, her eulogy? Right. That's on. I watched. With trying to write her eulogy and ends up with them, killing somebody else to write their eulogy. Make sense. But there was also a recent SNL sketch. This from twenty thirteen Jon Hamm is in here, and basically, she is just constantly ready for her close up. Who's at the door? I hope it's not a pie in a spooky spaceman. From the phone Sunset Boulevard. Miss Gloria Swanson. Mr James Mason. I'm a. Hey, don't really see a lot of effort as far as dressing. Like, if I were goes that we agreed, you would wear costume, I up high to tell about the acting. I'm on actor. That's what I do. When I say, I'm up high red time high read. Which I mean Kristen wag great person for that. And she's got the hands. The claims dancers always, and bonus. Jon Hamm is actually doing pretty great James Mason, impression among you might remember James Mason place. Judy Garland's husband in a stars board. Version. Interesting. Well, nothing to note though is that she's introduces glorious wants from Sunset Boulevard. But she's supposed to be the actress herself, so but she's playing crazy. And lawers wants inset herself that people thought she was crazy after playing this role. So, yeah. And also it's way funnier for Christopher to be crazy to be no crazy. Yeah. But I mean, they also could have introduced her as Norma Desmond, you know. I guess that's true. Well ensure brunette glorious ones in hand. Chris wake or not the only people to play Norma Desmond. Did you know this? Oh, no. In nineteen Ninety-three. He Andrew Lloyd Webber made a version of Sunset Boulevard for the stage. It's a musical end. It started with Patti LuPone in then in nineteen ninety four it came to Broadway with Glenn Close in. She has now played the role Weiss. She wanted Tony award for it in nineteen ninety five to price role in twenty seventeen for a revival of the play. And they're about to make a movie of it all my goodness. I have heard none of this. Yeah. So basically, we all know Glenn Close. Big deal was nominated for an Oscar this year. Everybody kinda thought she was gonna finally win. She didn't. So now, of course, is lots of talk. Is this going to be the one? She's won a Tony for this role. Mostly finally winning Oscar for this in the play, of course. One tens of Oscars end the person that is going to be directing. It has won Tonys for best choreography hand, basically, this is going to be a huge deal. I'm so excited to see this as a musical yet. I know my gosh, Anne to look up the music now in Glenn Close. I mean it's gonna be great. Awesome. Oh, this is exciting. So when does it come out? It is going to begin filming this fall. So I suspect it will be a late twenty twenty release, maybe early twenty twenty one that's just my vest gas. But if they're going to. Do the award season run probably later in the year. Never innis. Nice. So be that's exciting. Musicals man. They're the best. This'll be a good musical. I mean clearly already is because it but. Out now. I'll be able to experience. Yes. I agree. So should we talk about how this reference fits into the world of Gilmore girls? No, I'd rather talk about more parodies of people playing Norma Desmond. Let's like who? Lack me. Just kidding. A let's hug him were girls. Will should we mention this is not the only episode that mentioned Sunset Boulevard, what they don't mention this amazing movie just the one time? No. In fact, it's four times. Oh my I know let's play a little montage. Sided saving yourself for William Holden where tonight's out here in left field. They absorb sensible lavar was on last night. I don't know I've known for years. Sabrina Stolac seventeen and yet last night, something snapped, I think it was the monkey seen here is dead. Don't you the monkey? William folded radically close it, Mr Smith. Just about tradit- courage drivers who would test our laws and photographing. Punish those who do a camera, you run a red light. It's time for your closeup, Mr. demille go Taylor Gilmore girls, Taylor, rather, for adding another Sunset Boulevard reference time for your Mr. demille, except Mr. mill was not the person getting close up. So. Okay. But over, I guess who's talking about, maybe he was saying if another person, red runs a red light, then it's time for their closeup, Mr. demille. I don't know. Not a perfect usage. But I get it will I love that Rory guesses. What made Laura lies? Love for William Holden become clear. She thinks it's the monkey scene. Which was. One other fun fact about the production of the movie, I did not share that. I think is relevant. Now, one of the crew members asked the director Billy wilder how he was gonna shoot the burial scene of the monkey any said, you know, the usual monkey funeral secrets. Oh, nice. Yeah. We all need a usual monkey funeral sequence in all movies. I think, honestly for sure. Especially when the monkeys are clearly stuffed, you know, yet. Affer effort. Yeah. So, but this now this reference, the way the one we're talking about the wave is used so Emily Gilmore. Enor- another Norma Desmond. But here's my first question. Do we ever see Norma Desmond? Eat breakfast in Sunset Boulevard. Exactly my thought do we ever see them eat anything. Let's see, we see them hanging out by the pool. We see them drink some champagne Wayne Gardner years. He has caviar, but we don't see him consume it year. Interesting because I was thinking you'd have, like did. I just miss the scene where they eat breakfast together. No, there's no food consumed in this movie. Yeah. Yeah. Even though he's a starving artist. Maybe that's why because he's not even literally so now but thinking about Norma Desmond as Emily Gilmore, now, the type of breakfast Norma, Desmond would serve. I mean fancy should all the money in the world. She was giving him gold, cigarette cases. No. You know, there'd be plenty there. But once Larry, I thought was once you come to norm. Desmond earn Emily Gilmore home. You can't just leave. That is true. You get trapped in their world. You get. Gilmour d-. This is an excellent comparison emotionally manipulated in the stain in the house, which definitely happens. When Rory is having a fight with Laura rely later down the road. She ends up staying with Richard Emily instead, Emily creates a bedroom for her much like Norma, Desmond marines, all of Joe stuff to her house and move som in without her consent. Now, I'm Lee doesn't take any Roy's things, but she does create a room for her. And she does. I mean, not be getting these vans. One hundred percent. Right. But few like NCAA the backstreet boys or ninety eight degrees, best and put some avoid in poster in her room. Yes. Yes. So since interesting similarities there end like Norma Desmond pretty much everything she does over the top ending. This house is bananas, super gravy, owes obviously Richards houses, not as radio's but to lure ally. She probably is. Yeah, a little bit over the top, like more Modeste Mond. This house is too great in the house. Yeah. So no food served. But I think what this meant was huge over the top, she'll give you whatever you need to be there to be comfortable. It would be lavish woolen. I think I've heard people comment before that. Emily really likes to show love through money in through buying things in, you know, the, you know, the way she gives money for worries children, the way that she gives money for ROY to go to jail. And then when Rory says, I don't want your any more. I don't want your money anymore. That's a huge deal to her into Richard, but especially to Emily in both she and Norma Desmond, definitely try to buy people's affections, obviously, Emily is not quite as terrible as normal tests. Do not get me wrong. She is not on the same level. She is not evil is, she has some twisted aspects to her relationships with her family. That's also true of every single person ever, it feels like a normal person level of family dysfunction in a lot of ways. Yeah. But they both definitely try. And by you. To win your affection to win your presence to keep your round. And that I mean is exactly how normal tries to get Joe today. She says what do you want? Okay. You didn't want this. You don't want these Catholics don't want the suits, fine. What do you want? Give it to you just stay. Don't go away in then when she can't have him, she's like, well, I can't have nobody will. Bang, bang. And that's exactly what happened in a year in the life, the alternative end. Sure. Okay. Not so much. But yeah, I mean I do remember, Emily Gilmore breakfast. When Rory was staying there when she dropped out of Yale, and there was everything on the table. Yeah, ROY had none of it 'cause she wanna eat the Muffin in her room. So no Muffin at all. No muffins for you. So kayla. So Taylor does her show, that's show. We're ready for close ups. Viewers you have been spared that seem Kyla scary face. She looks like she's getting way too close to the camera. Man, like she might the her close up the glorious wants in Callaway. So guys, definitely I would say, watch this movie have a ball get ready for the musical. Let us know what she think about this movie. 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Episode 29  Billy Wilders Sunset Boulevard (1950)

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Episode 29 Billy Wilders Sunset Boulevard (1950)

"Long episode twenty eight of celluloid Junkies. I'm Canaan I am coming to you from the room above the garage of crumbling Hollywood mansion. I'm joined as well as by my wonderful co hosted the DOC Damian Heath Damian. Going very well. This is Remote record recorded the way but it sounds good. Yeah I think it'll be alright A you missing saying the missing my sent. Yeah I sent you a text message this morning and said I can't wait to hear your lovely voice. I knew anyone would think we were us but when maybe we used to in the past. It didn't really work out in this episode. We're going to be discussing a classic film that pushes the medium beyond the popular arts into excellence. I'm talking about Billy Wallace cynical lurid masterpiece sunset boulevard at opera speaking. I'm talking from the bedroom of Norma deadman. Don't bother with a rewrite man. Take this direct ready. As daybreak over the of hops. Yes you'll read the big black headlines About Norma Desmond than this Hollywood scandal. But you'll never read the true story about the rest of us who were pardon me. For instance. Joe Gillis a promising young writer from Dayton Ohio and Betty. That Nice Kid I met at a Hollywood party knew nothing about me but knew what she walked. Don't you have already? Of course I love him. I always will. I'm just not in love with many more. What happened. Who did well. We should live happily ever after like they do in the movies but this was different because this is a Hollywood story about the people who make the little ones that you never hear like betty in meet the great ones like Cecil B Demille all those who knew. Nama desk a strange woman who left her mark on all of us who crossed her path. Has It ever occurred you that I may have a life of my own there? There may be some girl at crazy about them. Cry For dress. Extra I'm trying to say is that I'm all wrong for you. You WanNa Valentino somebody with Polo ponies. Big Shot as you don't want to love Lori. Swanson one of the great personalities of this generation a role that comes to an actress once in a lifetime rising to the heights. William Holden creates a startling trail and a new star is born in sunset. Boulevard Miss Nancy Olson. Where you what? Why don't you come out and see for yourself? Address is ten thousand eighty six boulevard. Yes come out to see for yourself. The film that reaches a new milestone dramatic dairy. The film at every critic says is a giant among motion. Picture Silence Greenstone. Mary Pickford once said it would've been more logical if silent pitches grown out of the toll keys instead of the other way around a sentiment by many historians in the essence sound my brought cinema to mainstream audiences but it also made it easier for screenwriters to be lazy with exposition dialogue to explain plot ambient noise to set tarn score to elicit immediate emotional responses for many the silent film period that began in nineteen thirteen and gave rise to films that. Griffith's intolerance drives the passion of and sunrise remained unmatched in terms of cinematic storytelling. But when sound technology arrived in. Nineteen Twenty Seven Silent Film Soon. Became curious from a bygone age. Screen stars scrambled to adapt to the new industry. Standard some transitioned. Many did not over the next twenty years moves exploded into the global market making kings out of its players. A time known as the Golden Age of Hollywood australian-born Screenwriter Billy Waldo was one such player he emigrated to the US. In nineteen thirty four fleeing Nazi occupation with writing partner Charles Bracket. He quickly made a name for himself. Pending a series of well received films for heavyweight directors. Like Howard Hawks. While the set his mind to directing his own work he made a series of films in the early forties including double indemnity. The lost weekend in foreign affair which was celebrated for their doc wit and social wins in nineteen forty eight waldron bracket set to work writing their next film a comedy about a once famous silent star struggling to revive her career but the project stagnated they had an idea but noise story and to Donald National Junior. An editorial way such a life magazine. He suggested pairing tragic style with a down on his luck rider paving the way for the Macabre Love Triangle that would ultimately become the central conflict of the narrative. What evolved was a film not just four Hollywood but about it. A gothic expose framed around a toxic relationship between a downtrodden screenwriter. An aging screen star planning her implausible. Comeback a kind of only in Hollywood tale set against a town famous for bright lights and manufactured. Dreams accounts vary as to how glorious once came to be Norma Desmond while the wanted a real staff from the silent agent considered May West nor sheera. Mary Pickford Pola Negri for George Kirk through Swanson's name into the ring. While the would later claim he considered nobody else early versions of his screenplay seemed to corroborate. This still many actresses tended down out of hand. Norma Desmond might have been fascinating. But she was a grotesque and in an industry where a woman's desireability was hurriedly currency while the didn't have actresses breaking down his door. Swanson was a major star in the twenty s but struggled to make the transition into talking films. She moved to New York City in the thirties where she received steady work in radio and on stage when asked to addition for sunset. She baulked. What the Hell do you have me do a test for? She spat walder over the fine. You want to see if I'm alive. D George Kuka talked her into testing recalling. Swanson's reading years later while knew we had something special. Now we had a picture he said for the pot of Joe Gillis Montgomery clift was hired a rising star with piercing blue eyes. He'd recently made a splash. William Wallace. The heiress two weeks before principal photography. He backed out. He told while that he didn't feel he could be convincing. Making love toolman twice his age. It was an excuse to give given that clift. Lighten him of sexual was at the time involved with the woman. Sixteen years his sena singer Libby Holman while it was in a bind gene. Kelly was unavailable Fred. Macmurray turned him down flat finally came upon contract player. William Holden a man of Swazi good looks and robust masculine energy. Holden's career began promisingly when in nineteen thirty nine. He won the lead role in golden boy but quickly fizzled. Once the studio cost generic heartthrobs in a series of forgettable films. He left Hollywood in nineteen forty to serve world war. Two and by nineteen forty nine was in the process of reestablishing his career. He eagerly accepted the potty joy for off cliffs sixty thousand dollars salary hold them was older than clift and Waldo was concerned agent. Look young enough next to Swanson. He suggested aging Swanson with makeup and lighting but she refused arguing that normal would never let herself become Hackett instead. His production team focused on shaving few years of holding when the cameras began rolling on. Eighteenth nineteen forty nine. Only two thirds of the script had been written. Nobody not even wild. Add a clear idea of how you ended up in the poll while would shoot during the day then he and bracket would continue writing at night the atmosphere on set was one of lively camaraderie while the deliberately left us on our own. Swanson said made us dig into ourselves knowing full. Well that such a script about Hollywood's excesses was bound to give the people acting in healthy doubts about the material and themselves in a rare example of Life Not Imitating Art Swanson and Holden. Got Along. Well he was brilliant now picture. I adored him she would later reflect but according to Ulsan he plays Betty Schaefer. It was Swanson herself. He works the hottest. Gloria believed in the film more than anyone else. She later amended to emphasize the film. Look behind the curtain feel while they used actual Hollywood locations and pepita movie with industry insiders bid pots including seats will be held buster Keaton and hedda Hopper Columnists Luella. Possums was also offered apart but she refused to anyway. Neither set it for fame. Driver was involved. Heather would later. Amok Lou Waller and I've been offered a fistful of money to appear on radio and in pictures together. I always except she always declines appeared in sunset boulevard and for months. She didn't mention the picture. All the name of its time her column for the role of Max Norma Desmond Loyal Butler and former husband director. While the cost Eric Von Stroheim preeminent silent film director. He'd worked with Swanson Clean. Kelly in thousand nine hundred twenty nine a silent film shutdown up destroy perfectionism sort massively over budget. It was never released. The states. The small section of showing in the movie screening seen in Sunset Boulevard reportedly at storylines request was the first time American audiences quarter glimpse of this film which is now regarded as a classic while the new the bras at paramount would object to a screenplay that was essentially a poison pen letter at their industry so to keep them at bay. He told his film was an adaptation of a story. The can of beans luckily while the carried enough clout with studios not to be carefully watched. The paramount wasn't his only problem in nineteen forty-nine old screenplays required submission approval from head of the Production Code Joseph Breen Walden McConnell dynamic between Joe and normal would ruffle the census feathers so he sent three pages in drips and drabs hoping to dull. The overall effect of the material brain wasn't so easily misled in a letter paramount. He remarked the most recent of this material. Seems to indicate the introduction of sex. Ed Between Gillis Norma Desmond which was not present in the earlier material. Whether or not the story will carry a sex affair we cannot say however it seems to us at this point. There is no indication of a voice for Morality by which sex fare would be condemned nor does there appear to be compensating. Moral values for the sin luckily for while the production office had no problem with putting devious men from excuse women and homosexuals on the screen. As long as they were dead by the final frame like so many before him wilder would appease the senses with a violent nihilistic ending the irony was lost on a filmmaker famous for his misanthropic wit shooting wrapped in mid June the delayed release and mixed reception of sunset. Boulevard is calamitous production itself but more on that later what I can tell you is that like Moose. Masterpieces took time for the film to rise. Above its contemporaries as a moss destroy in cinematic invention after the film Waldron Brockett potted ways ending a twelve year collaboration on a high while we continue to thrive in. Hollywood helming classics like Sabrina. Some like it hot. In the apartment William Holden became a household name and appeared in three milwall the films but sunset boulevard lasting legacy is the drowning conviction of its troubled star brought to life with his merrick. Intensity by glorious Wanson Swanson may have outlived Holden but not the shadow of Norma Desmond. Funny Intelligent and soft spoken with an interest. In writing sculpting and Health Foods Swanson was by most accounts the opposite of Norma Desmond after making three middling films. She grew tired of turning down offers. Playing weak imitations of her role in Sunset Boulevard and return to a life outside the harsh glare of Hollywood. But they're all that had hampered her career in life granted her immortality and death unlike many of her peers who had long since faded into obscurity. Norma Desmond's indelible. Image has risen to the plane of iconography wide eyed expression and drawn back mouth vivid in. It's madness is summoned time and time again with one indelible if often quoted line all right Mr Hill. I'm ready for my close up. Seventy years have passed but a lifetime has only been good to wildest caustic tile of desire image obsession and madness damion. What did you think of of Sunset Boulevard? What's your general thoughts My favorite part of Sunset Boulevard is the six of such a prudish way to put it. Isn't it like the sex of hair? Sounds like it's been ripped from a tabloid magazine. I can't believe that one person in the system who was even part of the studio any studio had so much. Pamela could wield much power to try to convince decisions in films by every studio by any film that was gonna hit cinemas the whole industry Intertwined that there was all obey studios who essentially own all of these styles and all of these directors at the working full among on contracts. Who would submit a film? Somebody would have an opinion about it would get changed get released to theaters than the will. Obviously also in that same industry so often tongs of the studios that UNSEE. It is in that time so it was such a you know really Kind of protected industry But so few people have power in. Which is I? Guess what you see in the Nineteen Forties Nineteen Thirties and nineteen forty-six. Betty DAVIS COMING OUT AGAINST WARNER BROTHERS. And signing bid a peaches. You really needed that kind of stuff. To happen of it was early in the nineteen fifties code was pretty much scrapped. I mean I hadn't seen sunset boulevard in such a long time prior to watching videos episode. And it's always such a pleasure to come back to physically. I feel a lot. Dafter these particular settings so much more happening these rooms in this being dot mansion. But there's a lot of brightness in energy to especially in the scenes wage always away from the law and especially at the beginning of the film prior to that meeting at avoids loved Billy Wilder. And I think he's had some absolutely sensational films. My favorite of each whole Has always been double indemnity at a more drawn to the crime in want than I am to the comedy of his films. But I think sunset boulevard really kind of straddle the line between those genres it definitely leads towards Ma but has elements of the comedy. That would later as well. Yeah I'm the same. It's sunset boulevard. My favorite billy wilder. It's actually In My top twenty films of all time and has been for years I think it has a hypnotic effect on the viewer. I think the film is almost like Dark Voodoo. A minute that you put on is just Immersive and so special and so unique the cadence and the rhythm of it Perfect what a what a sensational year. And I'm able probably told about is a little bit light of what a sensational year to get double indemnity and all about Eve us with these massive stars playing a very similar thematic content played entirely differently. Yeah anime there. Were there a strange similarities? I mean Both banquets in wild up. Wrote their own screenplays and they were extremely extremely literate writers And we have obviously the aging diva in Bette Davis Gloria Swanson. And we have both films being about the kind of behind the curtain a workings of ones. The theater wants the the studio system and film industry and two films which have had an afterlife and have continued you. They continued to be talked about films and films that are saying from that era. Otto Friedrich Clear wrote the Book City of Nets Portrait of Hollywood in the nineteen forties. He said Real wild movies were hard and cynical dedicated to the principle that every man had its price and every woman to. Yeah I mean look. I think in sunset boulevard tights long to realize that that relationship is doomed. Does it and so similar to how you feel when you watch double indemnity from the start of Sunset Boulevard. There's a few things that are made very distinctly clear. This joe is in need of financial help. He sees season opportunity. Certainly homers is Eccentric Colona with mountains of money and mobile nothing to spend it on so in that respect is a match made in heaven. Full both of them and the opportunity that he sees this absurd screenplay that has no future and even less future. When it's made clear the normal will retain some kind of creative control live a by telling him to pull back in seines that he's excise so he continues to work and by doing so. He accepts to this. Creative Endeavour has monreale future so the setup is therefore complete and total failure artistically. And that's not even mentioning the Romantic. Assad is also never gonNA work for a number of reasons he yes well it's purely transactional this relationship. It's basically she's just wielding her resources to solicit sex from him and also to have a proper Hollywood a feed her delusion that she's going to write a screenplay that's going to culminate in her her amazing fantastic. Return not come back. Returned remain the remainder of the film. Basically nola buying of Joe. He's loyalty in his lava. Who's creative mind and Walter initially struggles with the ethics of this and ultimately he ultimately accepts in his best interest to sky in this situation. Do you think Norma is as accountable for actions. Joey sometimes I guess when you get to somebody over sit in EG excuse a little bit the actions that have become a part of their. And Norma I think how many ex-husband's does she have three five of the. She has three in the music and glory slots at the time had five. It's quite clear the when she's done with someone she costs them aside and she always retained his power in any kind of relationship that she has and that's even sane when she goes to paramount and she says to the guard. Will you better let me in without paramount without me that would be no paramount studios so the pound? Willett builds or at least that she thinks she wheels and at one did wheel is very great so I think that sees just what she would be doing back twenty years ago and that success. Everybody thinks she's aware. Sally is never going to be made. And so she thinks as a future in this creative endeavor but I think Joey varia winded is never going to be made Enormous lived her life as a narcissist as someone who's bored into hurry myth to a degree. At what point. Does that change to psychosis. I think there is an element of fantasy in her life. I think maybe she knows who's a few things I think. She knows that she doesn't have all of these during fans but then maybe she downstream. It's it's difficult to say I mean you've gotta read advice value while you're watching the movie and I guess she does descend into this madness that even in the last shot. She thinks a house is a film studio. The cameras have arrived. What is this? That's one way together downstairs. Let's have the car right outside. Okay everything will be ready Madame. You'll pardon me gentlemen but I'm ready for my theme. I tend to think joys. Deception is more conscious than Norma's but I mean you know the other thing is we're hearing his voice over and we actually hear him make the decision to take advantage of her and exploiter. You're the movie Carol. Todd Haynes Carol Do you remember Sunset Boulevard in that movie? It's very alien in the film. And it's ruining Mara is a projection room with her boyfriend and a bunch of their friends and their screening sunset boulevard and one of the characters in the film is a boy named Danny in he's the projectionist and he's watching it with a notebook and went to raise us in what he's doing. He says he's charting the correlation between what the characters say and how they really feel good and I thought that this movie is perfect for that because both of them are so deceptive. Even Norma one of the first question she asked joy and she also so Carl is if he's married but of course when you think back on that question through the film you wonder if there was another reason that she was asking him. You just didn't think of because she very carefully laid it into this. Oh how are we going to work out? Logistics of US working on the script together on I mean what sign of Zodiac? I don't know what month December twenty first deteriorates. I like Sagittarians. You can trust them. Thank you I want you to work me. I'm busy. I finished a script and I'm doing another assignments. I don't care you know I'm a pretty expensive. I get five hundred a week. I wouldn't Wanna about money. I'll make your while. Maybe I'd better take the rest script home and read it. Oh no I couldn't let it out of my house you'll have to finish it here. I was getting kind of late. Are you married? Mr Gillis Single Hollywood Alto. Nido apartments something wrong with your car. You've said sure is. Why shouldn't you stay here? I'll come back early tomorrow. Nonsense room over the garage Max. We'll take you there so I don't think she's totally blameless. No I don't think either of them oblige us a think if you had told this story from Norma's perspective route Hated the voice of his instead of joy than you would have less sympathy for so the voice. Ota gives you this feeling of acquaintances with Jerry. The necessarily get norma and so that whole Chitwan to his motives and anybody who's lived paycheck to paycheck. Who's thought of quitting dream to just go back to that regular job that they don't have any passion about with understand way? Joe Is coming from. Noma doesn't have that so I think the reason that it's told from Joe's perspective to obviously make you feel a little bit better about him as well because what he's doing is using Nola. Look into mixed bag because those posts view says telling the truth. About salomone you know. Tell her the truth Max. He returns and says it's my job that she never find out the truth. He thinks he's doing the right things. Well at the studio. What about wwl trying to spare feelings? The studio only wanted to rent your car wanted what didn't have the heart detector. None of us his head the heart why they want me I. Can you tell her? Max come onto our that favor tell her. There's going to be any picture. There aren't any letters except the ones you write. That Israel is the greatest star of the molly. Yeah Max is interesting one. Did you read any trivia about Max that he had a? He suggested seeing that he really wanted to shoot for the movie. Which involved him washing out? Norma Desmond's underwear no yeah made Max's Very Potapov. These are very busy name. What do we think about the monkey? I don't think too much Monte But it's definitely a condo black committed addition to the movie to have this monkey is the closest thing to the passes way it is given an opulent funeral. The coffin to be fight and I wanted specially line with second light deep. Pink maybe read bright flaming red. Yeah but I mean. Joe Arrives the same day that the monkey is buried. So Joe's the new monkey shrewd and I think. That's a pretty ominous warning to die. Because his first night in the house he watches. Norman knots. Bury the monkey cost cut in this sort of very very bizarre. Thick ritual unaware that he himself will be in a costco by the end of the film at at normal hand. The idea of replacing the monkey tells us that he's GonNa be dehumanized and he's GonNa be possessed and what is required of him is not going to take much talent skill that an eight can do it. Certainly if you'll retaining control just telling someone to top into top Prada and I do it. That's the fight Beslan about monkeys. Isn't it put twenty monkeys a road and like you said Joe is not really allowed to make any meaningful changes to Salmi nominal. The army thing he really does is screw. Woma and indulge enormous fantasies about this renewed law. She's GonNa have but that's Oh he's allowed to do when he tries to do something that involves his talent as a arriva. He shot down. I love that same. When she's at buying him clothes said he says No. I don't want this jacket. Ethnics colleagues in and says well if she's paying one or get this law and the next scene of course he has these -fensive jacket. Just go back to the Monkey. I have to tell you this. I don't know you might have sinus about wilder made many innuendos to Gloria Swanson. That normal was screwing the monkey. According to Sam stags author of close up on Sunset Boulevard for the scene with the Monkey's paw flops out from under the sheet. He would say to Swanson well. There goes your last lover. You're amount at one point. He apparently went too far and said to Swanson. Now one more time Gloria and show us how you feel after all Norma Desmond was fucking the Monkey. Sam stags writes in his book at that Laureus Swanson and Smile Vanished and her face froze into a look of stunned. Hora while the would repeat many times over the years that there was no question nor in the monkey having sex in an interview in the eighties. He said somebody asked me recently. If that monkey really was the ex lover of Norma Desmond and if William Holden took its place I said yes. Of course that's exactly right and look. I was very discreet. I used a little chimpanzee and are huge rioting in the research for this. I'm sure you as well a when we looked at Fritz loans we found the Fritz lung was a really great story teller about his personal life. And Billy Wilder had that sign reputation that you couldn't really believe what he was signing the time. I mean this is pretty consistent. It a consistent with him as sort of someone who did put a lot of misanthropic subtext into his films and his writings but he was saying it on set and he was saying for fifty years after the film came out. And I think there's enough clues and enough implications in the story and in the film for you to conclude that his intention in this instance was to suggest through very cloaked means. That normal was having some sort of base your relationship with among k. I don't think it's purely symbolic I guess you can view the film about that is because I said did you just need them. Will Invest Mind Damien if look if he it a little bit clearer. That would been happy with that. I hope you realize. Norma that scripts don't sell an astrologer charts not just telling the script. I'm telling me demand always said I was his greatest. When did he say it? Norma all right. It was quite a few years ago but the point is I never looked better in my life. You know why because I've never been as happy in my life. I have to ask you. What do you think of glorious wants in this movie because I think a lot of people would watch this film Mallon say? The performance is very antiquated. And it's from an old school of Hollywood and isn't quite convincing. We watched a lot of old Hollywood films. So we'd know the when something is better than something else nothing blurry Swanson. She runs the whole gamut of emotions but also skills have focuses. Amazing I think the melodramatic moments guess you could say. Well that's typical. Hollywood in the forties and Fifties in the thirties forties fifties Bah at the same time. Glorious is playing a role of a character he acted in twenties was big in the twenty s. So she draws upon what she knows what made a successful business Who she is. And I think that you have to take into account when you're watching the performance of Gloria Swanson. I think she's done a great job. A melting US things into something. That is believable. Will that person? She's history that makes up who she is in prison until you get to mom brand new in straight desire on the waterfront months you get to those few movies with role in about four point four or five years you have a different style of acting. You have very stagey. Theatrical acting glorious performance is Very Abbott God I think you watch it for something other than realism and I think you appreciate it for something other than realism. Even though she has a lot of scenes that quiet and perfectly fine and perfectly really stick but when she does get bigger. I think that that's really why you watch you. Watch it for those moments because those moments she has so much intensity so much passion and so much energy and it's a thrill and I mean that was the reason you watched Bette Davis during Crawford as well because you could just feel that energy bristling on on the screen. Thank you if you look at this film again. Something like the favor. You've these two very powerful older women who have people who is subservient to them in a way in just general life ways but also sexually and a little bit of creepy. I guess what similar to an extent? Probably a little bit more melodramatic in sunset. Boulevard lie when she also risks and everything service and I think you look at Olivia. Colman decide well. She was probably given a little bit more time to make herself empathetic. When she had those moments would you agree that parallels between those movies absolutely? I think it's a really interesting parallel when I hadn't considered but you're absolutely right there at West that room of hers all satin unruffled bed like a gilded rowboat. The Perfect Setting for a silent movie Queen Cordell still waving proudly to parade which had long since pastor by. It was at her New Year's party that I found out how she felt about me. Maybe I'd been an idiot not to have sensitive was coming. That's sad embarrassing revelation. We have to consider the situation that we were in a wild wild was given permission to make. This film is films. In the nineteen forties would never be mistaken Fulbright happy peaches so it was probably very clear while paramount was getting when they green lit this and Dublin deputies the bleakest of one of the best films in similarly voiced over by a man who's in crows of debt. Basan just before it comes which presumably Dawson and the last weekend was this blistering drama about alcoholism. Today ends with Walter Suicide Attempt but double. Indemnity was nominated for this feature in the last week in one that award so while there was clearly a filmmaker who is very good at his craft and he did also have a history of clashing with sentences. So W deputy in the lost weekend with two films that came to fire so while the developed this method of Filming Humid- included sobbing production monitoring. Play was unfinished and adjusting the screenplay during shooting and it's not like he didn't have much of an idea of where the story was going to go. He could've probably told the senses. Exactly where the stories? We're going to go at any given time during filmmaking as he was also the ride. These changes easy enough to make during the shoot and it was this element of privacy that Sunset Boulevard in the writing the taste screenings and as you said was produced at the nine. A can of beans While so I think while the probably This film being based on the industry which was made would probably have a of interested sets of is on another thing that you have to think about is way. America was at this time. Because we're moving forward into the fifties when McCarthyism Cold War tensions with an ushering this new era of social conservatism. You know this is the time we get the image of the eye burned. Woman with perfectly coiffed. Heya fussing reverse stove. The husband comes home from work in a suit and tie and Hollywood had a very very active publicity machine worked overtime to give the impression that the industry was a squeaky clean paragon of wholesome American values. You know this was the time of stars like Shelly Temple Engineer. Golly Doris Day we have scripted interviews with actors and actresses where I wrote sang the loveliest things everything was so nice and so we prim and proper had Christmas at home with during cruel fed with her two little children that will in beautiful button dot little dresses and sunset. Boulevard is pretty audacious film given that. That was the message that Hollywood was investing. So much money in sending out near Waldo makes this movie that paints you know just just cesspool of moral corruptibility a town of great mystery and great intrigue and that's part of the reason food the film successes. It's some it's it's tabloid behind the scenes reputation. You hear about things in the news. I mean even to the point of putting hit a home in the film as she was also columnist for the Los Angeles Times at the time and she had readership of that thirty five million in the nineteen forties. So she was very well known in that city in that industry and outside of it and I love the sunset boulevard by putting her in the movie having might that bid Saad phone call it kind of owns the idea that this was an expose. Yeah and I think Was very clever with actually involving so many. Hollywood heavyweights into the film. Actually making them part of the process so that there wasn't going to be. He had a lot of support is on the ground you know inside the industry. Who will advocate for the film because they were part of it? Was there any history between wilder and demille? I know there was history between Swanson Indigo and swatted him. Bump straight home. There was in terms of they liked each other. Apparently when Waldo Shot Sissel be the mill saints? And he's really he goes beyond a cameo. He's he's a supporting character. He has lines of dialogue and he has to. He's the only one in the film who actually Suri's any real sympathy and won't for Norma and for her predicament. While at the same time balancing that by saying make sources lady game essentially and apparently when they shot their scenes while to again and to me it was like look. I'm sorry I didn't do that very well. And they liked each other. They respected each other. I think Waldo probably didn't particularly loved emeals films and wasn't really interested in making those sorts of films in different look for every Norma Desmond in sunset. Boulevard is Cecil B Demille so someone who has retained success over the years and we see that in the movie by focusing on one story in one story EILLY and it's reflected in many true stories of Hollywood obviously United Mary Pickford Dwi Griffin some of the others. But it's also not representative of older true stories. The focus of the movie is on Joe. And Norma and I are to people who've been corrupted by it they're psychopathology. Their problems can't be separated from their environment. Joe Got into Hollywood with big dreams. You always wanted a poll. He ends up in one. Nomar is stopped and driven to murder and madness both victims of their careers and of their ambition with them with Joel Normal. I think Waldo suggests that success by any means however degrading or immoral is rewarded and that the industry not only encourages but engenders that morality. And it's fantasy that both would've probably found happiness in any other industry. Norma cont get past what she used to be because the hot was the highest was so high the joys was so bountiful and Joe can't help but look at Norma and wonder what can she do to help me. How can I exploited her? Just a couple of examples of moments in the film that are kind of indictments on Hollywood. So Joe visits show drake who he described as good producer at paramount. Who has a set of ulcers to prove it? Which would suggest that to be a good person in this industry? You pay you pay the price in terms of you know your health. I love the line actresses so young they still believed the guys in the costing offices that line predates Weinstein by fifty years. Which is troubling. There are plenty of stories out now actresses. Have I got rolls back then? John Cruel but I think he is one of them isn't she just had that reputation that he Davis said she slept away to the top ensuring suddenly setting the slate malate of the middle. That's true also. I love the show right pretty much pitched elites that run forty five years old at. That's funny yeah. That is true. I didn't think of that Betty at one point says to Joe. I'd always heard you had some talent and Jerry says that was last year this year. I'm trying to a living. That's one of my favorite quotes in the field. Yeah so you know this suggests. Hollywood does not nurtured talent as much as it invests in derivative work with proven return on investment and even the scene. Demille MIL finds out. The reason. Paramount has been coaling. Nomadic asked to rent her car pro for being crosby film is an example of just how insensitive and tone death the industry can be. It's ironic because they went out of that way to rent that cough or sunset boulevard as well two in today's dollars that was with some ridiculous money. Three hundred softening thousand dollars that car that I rented of them were available in the United States. And I mean that phone call and that that discovery that that's why they're ringing. It's not even intentionally cruel notoriety. Finally she'd returned to the coal but even then she would have been heartbroken even when the industry isn't trying it can be a nasty industry. Hit me how I did because I need you. I need you is. I've never needed to walk. Look like in my head. Leave my face look under my eyes. How can I go back to work? I'm wasting land of this tournament through last week. Gloria Swanson Norma. I asked a question about whether or not you believe. She's a precursor to the monstrous feminine. That would be more pointedly exploited in six days and the idea that maybe she's a little bit of Grande Dame Gonul type character before. Bette Davis hit the apex of that with whatever happened to baby Jane. Yeah I think Probably accurate I don't think she's an example of that but she's definitely a previous to that. So you can take things from glorious Washington's Portrayal of Norma Desmond and apply them to something like what happened to Baby Jane. Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte. But she's not in that same controversial. She's not intentionally grow taste. No I think she's intentionally grotesque her guy. I think in the sense and this film is to be in Washi- is the film's villain but for me she's not a villain signing senses say it will. G. Robinson key Lago will also goes in touch of evil and while she perpetrates the criminal act at the end of the film is also the fact that she's an unfortunate loser in many ways she shares similarities in that. It's a woman whose past her prime who is viewed as someone who no longer has any sexual liability. Who's throwing herself at a man that doesn't want her finds her repulsive but also it's a woman who's psychologically attached to her past and is living in a state of deluded nostalgia for tied. Professor of Film Studies. Lucy Fisher. I really liked this. She compares normal to a vampire describing her as technically alive yet. Meyde in the state of suspended animation. She also describes her final. Walk down the staircase as direct and threatening advance on the audience. I think normal is an extreme case of someone who believes that the expensive self and not without reason. I mean Demille Max even normally give us plenty of reasons to believe in her star power. I LOVE THE LINE. Max says to Joe About Norma. It was a Maharaj came all the way from Hyderabad to get one of her stockings later. He strangled himself with it. We know the human brain is outfitted with mechanisms that protect us from facing certain truths that Mike calls us to unravel and certainly if no more would have face reality. After the hot she rose to in her youth. She'd have breakdown so she doesn't see the rats in the poll will the cobwebs in the corner. She doesn't think about the fact that the phone isn't ringing anymore. She's in a self protective. State of denial joys ascribes beautifully when he says she was sleep walking along the giddy heights of lost career plane crazy when it came to that one subject. Her celluloid self the Great Norma Desmond how could she breath in that house so crowded with Norma Desmond more desperate and still more normal another thing about the way that Gloria reacts to not getting her way is that she internalizes that anger and that is something? That's more true of women than men. Just biologically so it's very astute riding that Norma makes a suicide attempt and in uses it to manipulate joey into retaining but the suicide attempt in this case isn't for sure this is someone who's extremely depressed and vulnerable. Hello Michelle drink on that basis loaded. I covered it with the two pages in Oxford. Thank you but I wouldn't bother what's wrong with it. It's from hunger. Nothing lead. What was just a rehash of something that wasn't very good to begin with. I'm sure you'll be glad to meet Mr Gillis. He wrote it. This is Kramer. Name is Schaefer Betty Schaefer Right. Now I wish I could crawl in a hole and pull it in after me if I could be of any help. I'm sorry Mr Dealers but I just didn't think it was any good. I found it flat and trite. Exactly what kind of material you recommend James Joyce Dostoevsky. I just think a picture should say a little tough thing. One of the message kids just a story won't do it turned down gone with the wind. Now that was me I said who wants to see a civil war picture. It's very very hard to understand. Norma without having Betty there as the Anti Norma. She throws a very harsh light on. Exactly what normal isn't what's wrong with Norma? And in a way she's also made more pitiable by the introduction of Betty because betty is so easily. Everything Norma just isn't. Betty is young she's attractive. She's rational she's witty. She asserted herself without being pushing. She's ambitious without being a NAS Est. She doesn't care about being famous or in the spotlight. While norma smells of aged would and waste. Betty smells like freshly laundered linen handkerchiefs. Which is just about the weirdest compliment of ever heard of man. Give a woman in a movie. Jerry sets all the terms in the relationship with betty constantly leaving hermit conversation to run back to normal. He decides a winning where they'll meet to work on the script even during their last encounter he doesn't leave with Betty when she asked him to unlike. Norma she's the ideal nineteen fifties woman in that. She's totally deferential. To the man she loves and Kohl's none of the shots on top of that. Betty represents creative rebirth. As we've talked about he's excited about the screenplay he's working on with her which is adapted from his own novel. Unlike collaboration with Norma but the principles of both relationships are the same. It's to right as whether as a romantic tension except the experiences are antithetical one is ideal and the other is a nightmare but professionally end person. I I really like that. I think if somebody smelled like freshly laundered linen handkerchiefs. That is actually what. Listen Yeah I. I think it's nice to think handkerchiefs have really gone out of vogue. I don't think I'd want to be with anyone who actually carried a handkerchief the very very all's Yeah I. I found one in like by his bedside table the other day and I was very disturbed by an I questioned him at length about why he had one. You could still buy the chiefs apart from to Putin yet little poker. When you're wearing a suit he must have got given it by somebody at the nursing home then he works out. Hey Miss Desmond. It's hard guy down. Let's get a good kid know. I'M NORMA DANCE MCGUIRE FOR CHEEVER's dead. Welcome home if you go into your chat in Scott of just released off poll on IMDB that somebody had started Film Law violence and just want to give you a few times and you can tell me what you think. Swanson in Sunset Boulevard ranked among certain Colonel delorean 'em Sydney Greenstreet in the Maltese Falcon Barbara Stanwyck in double indemnity Rita Hayworth in the lady from Shanghai it would see Robinson and key Largo Olsen woes in the third man wrote Mitcham. Nada Hunter also Mos in touch of Evil Robert Mitchum in type fear and Bette Davis in what happened to baby Jane so including Swanson. Eleven nine there and about way in this group. Do you think she writes as the greatest? Plastic film lava leads. Who would you put ahead of? Who maybe thinks she's probably ahead of Killagane. So you think that she righted ahead of it would see Robinson. Yeah I find it hard because these these people are really horrible. Near. That's what a few more villainous. Well I I don't know that she's that horrible. I mean that's what I wonder as well and that's why I said that to me. She's not liked it. Would Robinson Lago and she's not like also was in touch of evil. She's not bad evil. Well Robert Mitchum spends nineteen minutes hunting down to children's so that he can kill them both for money. I mean that's not what nor is I'll tell you where she writes it. So Robert Mitchum Nada. The Hunter was the top rated film. Lavi Lem and then Peter Lorient and Ulsan wells in touch of evil. Bette Davis in whatever happened to baby Jane and then also in Third Man. Okay and then kind. Gloria awesome in place so she beat Barbara Stanwick. So that ancient ahead of Robert Mitch. Main type fears was ahead of Sydney greenstreet in the Maltese. Falcon ahead of Barbara Stanwick in double indemnity ahead of Rita Hayworth in lady from Shanghai and ahead of it would see Robinson key lago now. That's interesting and so. This Powell had a total of twenty three names and just taken eleven that I think probably the best examples and Bette Davis after by Jiang and out of those twenty three. She still wreck seat. So that is the top seeks so up during conclusion from this that while I think she is not this kind of ideal representative of the But the greatest public. She was definitely considered a memorable. This is sunset boulevard Los Angeles California about five o'clock in the morning. That's the homicide squad. Complete with the techniques and Newspaperman. Murder has been reported from one of those great big houses in the ten thousand block. You read about Late Edition. I'm sure let's talk about the original beginning to the the screen pipe sunset about originally began in a mold with Jerry Gillis. Rising from the dead and relying his story to the colts is in the room. Like a dead man laws on a slab Identification tag on his toy rates. Joe Gillis for Moment the room to semi dot Com as the music takes on a more Astros Faiza curious glow emanates from the sheet in corpses the long row of tags sway from breeze of the ventilator system. Then there's a voice that says don't be scared. There's a lot of us here. It's all right and then he goes on to say stuff had May Not drown the says cited. I I drown. Radolph appeared ocean off. It's only bad when you try to swallow if you open your mouth and let it in. Doesn't pay a little bit. I wish my folks would come and get another man says way you drown. The ocean says no swimming pool. Judge says swimming pools and he says the Husky Fellow. Mike you joe says well. I had a few extra holes in me to the chest while in the stomach so that was the original opening to sunset boulevard that was routinely laughed at during test screenings and it was later re shot. Joe Montana fifty another. I think it's too bad. Scott Afam but differently wraps off that Zuma and I can see what has changed. Apparently audiences at test screenings Seen concept tone for the rest of the films of black comedy Rockland Wa. It's interesting that was received with mocking LOFTA and it almost brought down the film. I can understand. It must have been very strange sane and it's hard to visualize it now that we know the film as we know the film and we know the beginning of the film and the beginning of sunset. Boulevard is fantastic and apparently that piece of film they wanted to include on the DVD on Walden Said that he didn't have any more. I think he was just very embarrassed by very hurt by the whole thing and didn't want to dwell on it do you. In your releasing the reception have any quotes from any stars. Who saw the movie? Just Louis good so I just wanted to tell you that they had some sort of screening of bunch of Stars went and saw the movie and these are a couple of people that we love so I just wanted to read you. What they said during Crawford said seeing sunset boulevard is a thrilling experience which I will never forget and Humphrey Bogart said one of the great pictures of nine hundred and fifty or any other year. Glorious One since performance is brilliant exciting. And it's interesting that he said that because he and Waldo would famously clashed during the filming of Sabrina. Later you can't do. Hundreds of thousands of people will care or wake up. Norma you'd be killing yourself to an empty house. The audience twenty years ago. Now face it they still want me? No they don't so there was a lot of trepidation in Hollywood about the release of Sunset Bulletin. Exactly how the paint industry it underwent screenings in Illinois Roth Los Angeles for this reason but was eventually shown in Hollywood to select in studio heads. Invited guests legend has it that MGM head. Louis de Mayo responded to wild with anti Semitic comments and told him that. He disgraced the industry that made him and Swanson's Fellow Silent Film Saab Mary. It was solely become with emotion off the scene. The film that she just needed to be alone in about April nineteen fifty. Two Studio began showing film to has the neal time supposedly Pratt Thuraya every editor critic town. The train began with his articles in newspapers and industry. Trade started running that same month in particular. The Hawk the return of Swanson the loop behind the scenes of the Hollywood Industry Sunset Boulevard was finally released in public on August tenth. Nineteen fifty at New York's Radio City music hole where it ran for seven weeks and grossed in excess of knows it performed superbly in major cities but in regional areas but managed to become the eighth highest grossing film of Nineteen Fifty other successful films. Box Office in that year included comedies. Father of the bride and any the dumb Disney's Cinderella Fox's o'malley eve and the top grossing film MGM's King Solomon's mines shortly after the film's release glorious. Actually on the train to of thirty three cities around the country to promote the film in blue. That was very old. Hollywood reviews for the movie whereas as you'd expect the new times was first on the scene. Thanks to the radio. City Crimea's series of articles on the film Thomas a prior wrote that sunset. Boulevard is by no means around story of Hollywood possum prison. But it is such liberal compound of Truth and legend that seemingly speaks with great authority. Priok gave it truly magnificent impersonation of Charlie Chaplin and in today's to bootstrap game. This time was remarkable. Bosley crap Chandan four-night light of his own review stating that his initial viewing several months prior. It had been twisting In my mind he wrote the proof of the power of it's great misses. The fact that seeks upon the minds long it has been seen an agitates restless rumination opponents And Holding Images Trade magazine variety will be the film soon screenings and while they had a vested interest in protecting the image of Hollywood. They still couldn't abjectly debate. The merits of Film William Brompton Road to the magazine Director Billy. While his used comic classic approach that will help shatter the public solutions which does much to capitulate film land missing idiosyncrasies on this count by rate amongst daring as well as credit for an all around fool making job sustained the National Board of review in December places Vilma topics list of the year's best just ahead of Fitz's that eat Swanson also on the Boards Award as best actress but John Huston for the asphalt jumbo Wilder director the two best films of the year clearly judged by the academy in favor of nineteen fifty one as all about eve. Donald Fourteen Oscar. Nominations still a record and sunset boulevard had to settle for just eleven sunset. Boulevard became just the film at the time to be nominated for all four capping categories and the fifth to be nominated for awful acting categories as well as best picture glorious wants and William Holden dominated scenes while Eric Harmless eliminated the supporting actor. Nancy obscene supporting actress. In the seventy years since the Oscars only ten more films have been nominated in all of these categories sunset boulevard with unfortunately become one of only three films from that list to date that file type time. Any of those acting. Telitha hold most apt to Jose for an in surrounded. The Right Swanson. Low Stats Judy Holliday. Board yesterday from stone on most apt to Joel Sanders. And all about eve and also staff to Josephine Hull in Harvey. It's stunning to look back. Sometimes the Swanson was nominated alongside Bette Davis she and neither one the two Rosa becomes so iconic in the film would win three auspice best story and screenplay those these days known as regional screenplay best sport ambitious best out direction set decoration. It would lose out on best film. Editing Best Black and white cinematography to carrow res Nineteen Forty nine British third man which wasn't released in the United States into fifty and was therefore eligible best director for all about Eve speech to Sunset Boulevard. And all that would meet a guy in almost forty years later when in nineteen on both selected among the first repo films to be adopted for preservation in the national registry for being culturally historically or acidic do significant all right quicktime Christiaan. Joe May to start. Will you stop east up? Assad from Sunset Boulevard films which Gloria Swanson Received Academy Award. Nominations frigging hill. I didn't think I know Sadie Thompson in nineteen twenty on the Trespasser in nineteen thirty. Any one of them Sadie Thompson is Joan Crawford. In that she did a version playing sightsee Thompson. Cold rain a few years later. Which director once said Norma Desmond is more famous than most famous actors? I've no idea of just going to throw a ninety now Warren Beatty Cameron Cry Camera. Crew Somebody'd much these days which member of the Kennedy family did Gloria Swanson Seven affair with and what was. He's linked to her films. Can I just raging my second question? Which well-known man did Gloria Swanson have a three year love affair with until she discovered he had pilfered thousands from hurrying production company? I got what you asked me that question at. Also Joseph P Kennedy question is what was the league between Joseph Kennedy at Glorious Swanson in Films Well. He became power of attorney of Production. Company had complete control over the finances and Korea. He commissioned Queen Kelly and Got Eric von Stroheim to direct it that went horribly over budget then glorious wants and found out that he had been taking thousands of thousands of dollars and thinking the money into Queen Kelly and even to things like gifts for her and so he left her with lots of debt and the ironic pot while she'd originally met him because he was a an esteemed businessman who is going to help solve some of their cash flow problems but yeah he ended up leaving with like half a million dollars in debt. I hope that some he had bought a new car and build it to what was Gloria Swanson's production company at the time because in nineteen twenty seven. She had told her on production company and that she confronted him about this at dinner that they were having with some guests and he got up and walked out never contacted her. A gain horrible is not oval He was also the producer on the Trespasser for which he was nominated for an academy award as well as Nineteen Thirties. What are we? He ended up getting out of Hollywood just before the depression hit in the golden age ended So he ended up like fleecing. Hollywood which doesn't normally happen. It's usually the AVESTA okay. While does the lost weekend which I know you watched as research this. It won the Academy Award for best feature as well as what is now known as the Palmdale can lead to other films to have achieved this eight nine at least one of them Let me take a wild guess. Lean Line Dobie. Maine's Mati from nineteen fifty. Five south was the second and Belgian host parasite from twenty nine teen that the only three films that have ever won best feature and the pump. The oil Hollywood folklore had it that the famed Schwab's drugstore that Gillis visit was the place where which famous actress was discovered while sipping a soda. was Rehi- high was. Lana Tanna A. It's also untrue. That's not where she was discovered but it just sort of became knowing that that's where it was Yeah many famous people did frequent including Olivia to have Lindell Welles and Rita Hayworth so opt to the film's release a form of paramount. Employee sued wilder for one point. Four million dollars signed the story she had written about working at. The studio became the basis for the story of Sunset Boulevard. What was that story Cold Sunrise Boulevard? Yes God is called past performance Okay how many movies did Gloria Swanson with Demille seven six very close between Nineteen nineteen and nineteen twenty one okay? Guru Swanson Received Three Academy will nations as we've discussed how many voice films with direct buses will be hill to they guy. Do you have another question? Yes the exterior shots of Norma Desmond's mansion when not actually shot on sunset where where they shot your serious shot fight was shot Just a little bit south of sunset. Boulevard I'm not accepting announcer Let's go it's the road like two main roads down from Sunset Boulevard? Yeah I'm not accepting that answer. Let's Cooler Santa Monica Boulevard. The corner of Wilshire Crenshaw Boulevards. Yes on say about a couple of other questions. Have one moulded. I maintain wilder in hold would together once more. What was the name of that film while Darren Holden? Yes they together twice. Mall will name author of them. They worked together. Install Seventeen Sabrina Article fidora yet. I do by went together mall. Yeah you got extra point there I've just realized that my last question. I actually have already told you the answer to okay. We'll ask that like let's just call it. Let's just call. It will be the I'm happy with that. I just WanNa tell you how happy I am to be back in the studio making picture again. You don't know how much I've missed all of you and I promise you I'll never do there to again because after Salami. We'll make another picture another picture. You see this is my life it always will be nothing else the camera and those wonderful people there in the dark right Mr Demille. I'm ready for my crap well Damian. We've reached that point in the evening. The Sun is setting on Sunset Boulevard. That's terrible okay. Writing out of five and final thoughts. It is an easy five stars for anybody who loves old. Hollywood it's such a fun and exciting. Look at those years. Impact of the switch from silent to sound but also the industry as a whole but at the time. And you can even apply motivates now but for anybody who loves soir. It's got those elements and there's a whole bunch of twists. If you're into suspense. If you enjoy drama there's just really bright performance as well. It's so obviously a five star film for reasons that we've discussed at length just a a perfect film in every way it's a film that is has that Gothic visual aesthetic that makes film so exciting kid actually exciting. But it's done with an adult story that gives the film complex emotional core. It is the perfect blend of film that is pure entertainment whilst also being extremely psychologically stimulating and meaningful. Thank you so much for joining us. For another episode of celluloid junkies we really had a lot of looking Beckett sunset boulevard this month and we hope we return next time as we stay in similar territory. We're going to confuse you a little bit with going to move from Billy Wilder to William Wyler and. We'RE GONNA discuss my favorite film from my favorite actress. William Wallace nineteen forty film La the letter. That's so exciting new. I've had that in like a heap of about five blu rays of movies that I'm planning to what John Mums. It's great we'll talk about it very very cool okay. Great Awesome well but Mr de Melo shooting. You got an apartment. No appointment necessary. I'm bringing Norma Desmond normal who.

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Sunset Boulevard (1950) Ep. 40

Classic Movie Musts

24:48 min | 2 years ago

Sunset Boulevard (1950) Ep. 40

"I'm max Baril. And this is classic movie musts where every week we breakdown a classic movie looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least. We'll talk about what makes these movies classics. Classic movie. Muss releases every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie viewing plants classic movie must is supported by listeners. Like you. If you want to help support the show, I thank you so much and second head on over to patriot dot com slash classic movie. Musts every patriots subscriber earns cool perks and ways to engage with the show, including the opportunity to vote every month on a movie they like to hear disgust on the show. All it takes is one dollar per month. A huge thank you to our current patriot subscribers you make this show possible. You can read about all our support tears and the rewards over at patriot dot com slash classic movie. Must. Thank you for joining me this week as we discuss the infamous Sunset Boulevard in this episode will discuss Billy Wilders, scathing criticism of Hollywood in our feature presentation will hear about famous lines of dialogue in our buzz from the back lot segment, but first let's get into this week's opening credits. Our film this week is Sunset Boulevard, which was directed by Billy wilder and was released in nineteen fifty Sunset Boulevard stars Gloria Swanson William Holden. And Eric von Stroheim for your streaming ease Sunset Boulevard is available on itunes, Amazon YouTube and Google play at a mansion on Sunset Boulevard. The body of Joe Gillis play by William Holden floats in this wing pool. In a flashback Joe relates the events leading to his death, six months earlier down on his luck screenwriter. Joe try selling Paramount Pictures producer Sheldrick on a story. He submitted script reader, Betty Schaefer, harshly critiques, it unaware that Joe is listening later while fleeing from repossession men seeking his car Joe turns into the driveway of seemingly deserted mansion after concealing the car, he hears a woman inside call to him mistaking. Him from someone else ushered in by max the Butler played by Eric. Von stroheim. Joe recognizes the woman as long forgotten silent. Film star Norma Desmond played by glorious Swanson learning Joe is a writer Norma s his opinion of a script. She has written for a film about Salone. She plans to play the role herself Joe finder script abysmal, but flatters her into hiring him as a script doctor moved into Norma's mansion at her insistence Joe resents, but gradually accepts his dependent situation. He sees that Norma refuses to face the fact that her fame has evaporated and learns that the fan letters. She still receives are secretly written by her Butler. Max who explains that Norma is emotionally fragile and has attempted suicide in the past Norma lavishes attention on Joe and buys him expensive clothes at her New Year's Eve party he discovers that he is the only guest and. Is is that she has fallen in love with him. Joe tries to let her down gently, but Norma slaps him and retreats to her room. Joe visits, his friend. Artie green to ask about staying at his place at arby's party. He again meets Betty, whom he learns already girlfriend, Betty thinks a scene in one of Joe's scripts has potential, but Joe is uninterested when he phones max have impact his things max tells him that Norma cut her wrists with a razor. And Joe returns to Norma Norma has max delivered the edited Salaam script to her. Former director Cecil b mill at paramount. She starts getting calls from a paramount executive, but petulantly refuses to speak to anyone except demille. Eventually, she has max drive her and Joe to paramount to confront Mr. demille in person, the older studio employees, recognize her and warmly greeter and receives her affectionately and treats her with great respect tack. Awfully evading her questions about her script. Meanwhile, max learns that the paramount executive who had been calling merely wants to rent her unusual car for a film, preparing for her imagine comeback Norma undergoes rigorous beauty treatments. Joe secretly works nights at Betty's paramount office collaborating on an original screenplay. His moonlighting is found out by max who reveals that he was respected film director once discovered norm as a teenage girl made her a star. And was her first husband after she divorced him. He found life without her unbearable in abandoned his career to become her servant. Meanwhile, despite Betty's engagement to Artie, she and Joe fall in love after Norman discovers a manuscript with Joe's and Betty's names on it. She phones Betty and insinuates what sort of man, Joe really is. Joe overhearing invites Betty to come see for herself when she arrives he pretends he is satisfied being. A gigolo. But after she tearfully leaves he packs for return to his old, Ohio newspaper job. He bluntly informs Norma that there will be no comeback. Her fan mail comes from max, and she has been forgotten. He disregards Norma's threat to kill herself and the gun. She shows him to back it up as Joe walks out of the house Norma shoots three times. And he falls into the pool. The flashback ends the house is filled with police and reporters and Norma having lost touch with reality believes, the newsreel cameras are there to film, her movie Salone max and the police play along next sets up a scene for her and calls action as the camera rolls Norma dramatically descends her grand staircase. She pauses and makes an impromptu speech about how happy she is to be making a film again ending with. All right. Mr demille. I'm ready for my closeup Sunset Boulevard had a budget of one point seven five million dollars and a box office hall of five million adjusted for. Inflation. That's a budget of roughly eighteen million and a box office hall of fifty two million. Now, I'm certainly ready for my close up because it's time for our feature presentation. In their last collaboration as producer director team, Charles bracket and Billy wilder brought to the silver screen a story. No other filmmakers had wrist making coming out of an industry and country obsessed with youth and glamour Sunset Boulevard was the first Hollywood film to make the aging process. It's primary concern focusing specifically on the relationship which develops between a fading silent movie Queen and they much younger down on his luck screenwriter using the new our style to emphasize the co dependent impotency of this couple Wilders film remained significant in portraying the new mood of disillusionment that was emerging in postwar society. No longer convinced that achieving the American dream was really possible. With a keen understanding of how women in Hollywood have typically lacked the option of a full career sin. Their contribution to film is determined more by their youthful appearance than they're acting aptitude wilder brackets story remains to this day one of the best commentaries about Hollywood as factory where talent is consumed in a binge and purge manner. Exploiting the best and brightest stars while leaving the has Benz to fade away without the respect. They deserve like her decrepit mansion on Sunset Boulevard. Norma Desmond is an anachronism with her old fashioned acting techniques of exaggerated facial expressions and bodily gestures. She has become not a glamorous older star, but unsightly leftover of previous era much of the poetic power of Sunset Boulevard. Lies in the juxtaposition of reality and fantasy in Sunset Boulevard. The separation lies between Joe's world, which is essentially the real world and Norma's a fantasy dreamscapes of her silent era stardom extending into the present day. Hollywood which has all, but forgotten her outside Norma's mansion, the film exhibits, a blend of realist style 's particularly Hollywood, social realism and a bit of documentary realism in addition to the documentary aspects, we see such realist qualities as the gritty common man element of focusing on down and out unemployed writer. There's also the cynical attitude that Joe and resultantly the film itself takes towards the Hollywood institution as well. As the tough hard boiled dialogue, which characterizes Joe's voiceovers, but most indicative of the film's realist style is the relative lack of formal traits, or at least noticeable formal traits the world outside the mansion is grim matter of fact and essentially plane aesthetics such as lighting set and costume, design, composition editing and sound or all used in a natural transparent. Owner yet from the moment that Joe pulls into Norma's driveway. A more formalist world is introduced one which centers not only on the mansion, but unorthodox herself early on Joe makes the student survey shin that Norma was still sleepwalking among the giddy heights of a lost career. Indeed sleepwalking seems an apt metaphor for Norma's interaction with the world as she seems to keep one foot in reality and one foot in a dream of Hollywood yesteryear, a time when she was adored by millions and demanded great all and respect in the movie business. This delusional slant on the world main offense itself aesthetically in subjective. Formalized version of reality. Most immediately evident in the gothic stylings of her mansion, and the expression Nistiuk depiction of this setting the set design is unavoidable tall, looming columns inter. Detail on every wall every curtain and every piece of furniture, not to mention vast spacious rooms overflowing with mementos, excessive ornamentation and all of Norma's reminders of her lost fame, particularly her many youthful. Headshots Norma's costuming is equally heavy handed with elaborate costumes by Edith, head accentuated by an abundance of jewelry, sunglasses and headwear. But most notable is the heavily expressionist lighting angular shadows drape every room and deep wells of light and darkness fragment each shot, creating an exaggerated almost hallucinatory distortion of the world as well. As the Ankeny ambiance that intensifies the films for shadowing of doom in visual design alone. We can see Billy wilder painting normals world in a deliberately formalist manner. The sound design is. Equally important note, the deep. Erie tones that emanate from the organ as wind howls through its pipes tones, which are perfectly incorporated into the soundtrack creating a haunting atonal easy with the film score the compositions enormous world are strikingly different from those outside as well. With plenty of deep angle shots split frames and arresting compositions in depth as opposed to the more traditional framing 's which occur in other scenes. Not surprisingly subjectivity interior already and personal reality or common traits of expressionism and Sunset Boulevard has all of these in spades. However, there's another drastically formalist aesthetic crucially at work here. Glorious Swanson's performance not only has normal career in silent pictures, skewed her view of reality. But the pantomime style of silent performance seek. Seems to have seeped into her own personality every action and gesture is marked by dramatic exaggerated, motions every utterance by drawn out enunciation and her wide eyed stares and deliberate over the top expressions are made all the more flamboyant by her to perfect makeup Norma seems to be playing to the audience with every line and movement whether her fictional audience or us as the literal audience is unclear and glorious Swanson demands attention to the extent that she'd seems to drive the story even in her absence this overt acting and the gothic expressionist visual scheme allows the character Norma Desmond and her mansion setting to complement each other. As the two seem inter reliant after all in the end norma- chooses full delusion over reality and truth. We should note that the formalism centered Norma does not exist. Only. In the mansion, but seems to follow her outside as well. This is a specially noticeable on the paramount sound stage where Norma subjectivity creeps into the real world. As a celestial spotlight is turned on Norma and the score takes a whimsical turn the cast and crew of demille current epic. Are suddenly consumed by normal fantasy all amassing around the former star in a temporary return to her heyday. And all framed in a steep bird's eye view for a moment. Even we the audience are pulled into the subjective mindset, yet demille quickly breaks, the facade by dispersing the crowd, and with one of his most cruel of lines return that light to where it belongs wilder simultaneously returns. The light the camera and the soundtrack to their rightful realist positions here, the formalists subjectivity that characterizes Norma's world interrupts the realist mode at work. Outside. Even if only briefly reversing the typical may and December relationship of younger woman and an older man Norma's mutually exploitative relationship with the young screen writer turned gigolo, Joe Gillis works effectively as a metaphor for the crisis of traditional gender roles happening in postwar, America. But perhaps more importantly it. Also, symbolizes the vampirism inherent in the film business, which attempts to defy the aging process by feeding off the talent of its younger employees who in turn exploited their older colleagues in order to get a lucky break at the time of its release Sunset Boulevard was considered by many to be Wilders inappropriate settling of accounts with the film industry. For example. After the premiere of the film in Los Angeles MGM studio, head Louis, b Mayer cursed Paramount Pictures for allowing wilder to make such a film also. Shouting that wilder had disgraced Hollywood and should never be allowed to work again in spite of such criticism. However, the formal thematic sophistication of Sunset Boulevard has never been challenged. Especially in being one of the first films to self reflexively portray the various stages of the filmmaking process bringing to light both the glamour of cinema, and it's less appealing underbelly. Not only do we see the pre production stage develop via Joe's various attempts at screenwriting. We see the nebulous mind games that come with selling script to the studio. And we are also exposed to the actual production of the film when Norma visits Cecil b demille at paramount studios in turn the act of spectatorship can be seen when max the Butler projects one of Norma's old films for the viewing pleasure of Norma. And Joe Wilders black humor is perhaps most evident in the inclusion of excerpts from Queen Kelly. Which proved to be a disaster for von Stroheim earlier in his career when he was fired as its director by Swanson, the film's producer and star. Finally, we witness the star system at work when reporters photographers and gossip columnists descend upon normal house to catch a glimpse of her last scene and the dead body, which floats in her pool Sunset Boulevard also demonstrates, the incredible transformative effect the introduction of sound had on the film industry while conversion to the new sound system almost bankrupt studios. It also cost many actors their jobs for the arrival of sound required. Not only new technology and equipment, but new actors who perform talkies making a subtle, but affective comment on the ruthless expulsion of silent screen talent Sunset Boulevard is populated with celebrities from the old days of silent cinema, most notably. The film's main star Gloria Swanson was one of. Hollywood's most glamorous silent movie, queens, and Eric von Stroheim who plays. Her butler. Max was notorious silent film director other Hollywood celebrities who make an appearance in Sunset Boulevard include Cecil b demille, of course, who directed Swanson several of her earlier films and became one of Hollywood's first celebrity directors. We also see head hopper the Hollywood gossip columnist and even other early film stars. Like Buster Keaton, h b Warner and Anna q Nilsson who's blazing days of glory. Silence. Screen had faded to a dim glow during the rise of sound cinema. Although some critics have debated the sincerity of film, which passed judgement on Hollywood's treatment of old stars while it to exploited their position as victims one shouldn't forget, how Sunset Boulevard affected the lives of the actors who appeared in it for despite Swanson's earlier success as a silent film actress, she is best remembered for her. Own comeback performance as Norma a role which in foreground in the effects of age. Ironically, rejuvinated Swanson's career onscreen. Indeed, her performance earned her nomination for best actress that year and on strong hyme an aging actor as well as has been rector was nominated for his chilling yet sympathetic performance as max similarly William Holden who had spent several years as a contract player at both Columbia and paramount studios. Suddenly rose to star stature with his best actor nomination for his portrayal as Joe Gillis with time Sunset Boulevard has become a classic in Hollywood cinema. A monument to a unique cultural medium that crosses the boundaries of art and entertainment technology and business Sunset Boulevard received eleven Oscar nominations winning three it won the awards for best music best art direction in black and white category. And best. Writing for the story and screenplay. It was also nominated for best, film editing. Best cinematography, supporting actress for Nancy Olson best supporting actor for Eric. Von Stroheim best actress, Gloria Swanson best actor for William Holden, best director for Billy wilder and best motion picture. Now, it's time for our buzz from the back lot segment and this week. We've got a star who very much embodied the character. She portrayed with some key differences. Unlike Norma, Desmond glorious Swanson had accepted, the fact that movies didn't want her anymore. So she had moved to New York where she worked on radio and later on television. Although she had long before ruled out the possibility of a movie comeback. She was nevertheless, highly intrigued when she got the offer to play the lead the photos of the young Norma Desmond that decorate her mansion are in fact, all genuine publicity, photos from glorious Swanson's heyday. And according to glorious Swanson's daughter, Michelle Ayman, her mother stayed in character throughout the entire shoot. Even speaking Norma Desmond when she arrived home in the evening after filming on the last day of shooting Swanson, drove back to the house that she her mother and her daughter shared during production announcing there were only three of us in it. Now. Now. Meaning that Norma Desmond had taken her leave paramount was more than happy to be the subject of the Phil. And didn't ask for the studio to be disguised. In fact, such was the buzz about the film during production that the viewing of the daily rushes became one of the hottest tickets on the lot Cecil b demille agreed to do his cameo for a ten thousand dollar fee and a brand new Cadillac when Billy wilder went back to him later to secure a close up. The mill him another ten thousand dollars sesame Damileau had a real pet name for Gloria Swanson, which he would call her young fellow because he said she was braver than any man, Charles bracket, and Billy wilder retain the term of endearment for the scene in which mill greets Norma Desmond at the sound stage. And the Desmond mansion was located not on Sunset Boulevard, but at six forty one south Irving boulevard it was built in nineteen twenty four by William Jenkins at a cost of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars it's sex. And owner was Jean Paul Getty who purchased it for his second wife. Mrs Getty, divorced her millionaire husband and received custody of the house. It was she who rented it to paramount for the filming. The only addition was the swimming pool which wasn't equipped with the means of circulating water. So it was useless after filming to everyone's surprise. Judy. Holliday won the best actress Oscar in nineteen fifty one for born yesterday beating both Gloria Swanson in this film and Bette Davis in all About Eve, the general consensus was that the two titans had cancelled each other out leaving the field clear for holiday in later interviews that he Davis admitted that she thought glorious Swanson's work in the film was absolutely outstanding. Bette Davis did all right for herself in her performance as well. If you want to hear more about that checkout episode, ten of classic movie must on all About Eve. Lastly the movies line. All right. Mr demille. I'm ready for my closeup was voted. As the number seven movie, quote of all time by the by is also one of the most frequently misquoted movie lives, usually give it as I'm ready for my closeup, Mr. demille the other line. I am big. It's the pictures that got small was voted number twenty four on the one hundred greatest movie quotes of all time. That concludes our episode on Sunset Boulevard. 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SXSW 2021: Off Season

Ride the Omnibus

16:18 min | 3 months ago

SXSW 2021: Off Season

"Welcome to right the omnibus. I'm your host aerial baske- and today. I'm reporting back with an interview with mickey keating director of off season premiering at south by southwest twenty twenty. One i'm very interested in this story because it's kind of an interesting mother daughter story as well as being southern gothic and uniquely isolated furthest particular moment and very interested to talk to you about it. Well as yes any questions you have first of all in terms of your inspiration for the film. I understand that you took a lot of vacations in florida by the beach and that was part of the your inspiration for this. Is that correct. Well i grew up in florida probably an hour so out away from this little beach town but you know growing up there. It's like there's in. All i lived in orlando. I watched a ton of movies. But like you're you're you. That's all i did pretty much. You like well. what do we do. let's go to the beach right. You know especially during the off season and so growing up you know. I just had these distinct memories of being little and being in these empty towns that are like many tourists to be there and just that feeling of craziness and so yeah. It was really kind of a a weird experience growing up. You know that. I took for granted but it somehow inspected my my mind. It's been sitting there for a decade of this point of that using that as a setting. So i convinced everyone to come down there and do me. Wow and what an exciting time to be able to do it. I mean literally. You cross the bridge just in time. Oh you make this movie right. Yeah we got out and kobe was snapping at our ankles. Salvation was at hand right. Yeah you know it's it's it's funny to think about. If the movie had been pushed you couple weeks probably would have been shut down production Which really is you can go crazy thing about the. What if scenarios of that but I feel very very lucky to have been able to do it. In the time that it was made but one of the big themes that i also see within this smoothie given that it's the story of this mother and the daughter have this tenuous connection that you are never quite sure exactly how i mean. It seems like there's dementia that she's been dealing with in there as part of the caretaking theme. Is that something that when you were working with moore walters that you wanted her specifically to play off of. Yeah well you know i love. I always loved the idea. And the imagery of like of a faded movie star of movie stars that you know you never you see. Some unlike like liz taylor. You know. someone like ava gardner and then you never really think about all the behind the scenes of things like that. And when i spoke to me early on. It's like whatever this is that you're dealing with. You know you still are the movie star in your mind. You're still performing always. And i thought that that was a really fascinating kind of look character flourish that i would love to see someone like her explore because she is a movie star to me. She's been so many of my favorite films so she really took that and ran with it and kind of made it completely her own. I just love that. Imagery of like you know gothic literature and things indicate. The idea of stardom volleying away into what you know what ultimately becomes death. I suppose yeah. The ms have is shown and norma desmond in one hundred percent absolutely. Yeah it's lovely. And i think it works very well and then to have also you've got jocelyn donahue of house of the devil in this space as well and to have her interacting again. You've got sort of this generational sense of distrust. Both between what does my mother really want. What did she really mean. But then also the sense of distrust that you have within the town as well totally. Yeah absolutely You know and i. And i i'm very i thought someone jocelyn i start talking bounds like well. You know this character. Your character is inherently so tragic. Because you were born and raised within the shadow of of your mother's movie stardom right and so you've never really known whether what she said to. You is a performance or web if she's acting or whether she's being sincere and so that's why these things these moments that be dark family secrets that suddenly come to life at the very last minute. It's traumatic terrible for you. You're completely rocked by because you're not sure whether something's performance or whether you're being a bad daughter by even doubting that something's of performance and so i think jocelyn is so brilliant at being able to play that that level of burden on herself so well so that dynamic was definitely something that i was like your take it and let's that more so than you just being a screaming frightened horror movie character that makes -actly and it's actually interesting because the mother is more of the screaming frightened where movie character by far then almost like she's more willing to buy the lie of the town because she's had these trust issues for so much of her life absolutely you know and i think there's something incredibly traumatic and troubling about beside of saying i known someone since i was born and i still don't know them and suddenly these things these weird loose ends that are coming to light after she's gone. I can't answer myself is inherently as horrific. As as anything. I can go so that definitely was the effort to build that and yeah that point malar totally she's like. I have to play the wicked mother in these moments because i want the audience. She's such a giving actress. She's like i want the audience to sympathize with joscelyn's character would be like she's trapped in this town or someone who was monstrous to her and it added to that kind of element of dislike gothic tragedy. I suppose but it's still such a sensitive and wonderful performance from her. Because you're never quite sure exactly how out of touch with reality she is and then obviously toward the end. You realize her. Tragic fate as well so absolutely. Yeah yeah yeah it was. It was very kind of fun to explore. Do be able to have to actors who were just great and they play off each other so well and so. I feel very lucky to have been able to to to get that into the film. And then i love your soundtrack. You came up with some wonderful creepy creepy ass songs. I have to know where you gave up with some of these composer on the film Schaefer james. He is a a working musician. First and foremost and so it was really more so than like career movie composer so it was really thrilling to be able to give him his opportunity. Say go for a draw. These inspirations from like what you sense from the movie and then we had to do a cover of an old song. I'll see you in my dreams and turn around. Look at me that place during the car crash. I mean i've been obsessed with that song for for ever and my editor. Bauer she really. We were just playing on the radio. But she really cut that whole sequence to that. And so i had bank warner warner records to let me use this like a love letter note about it and fortunately we were able to to use it because there was no other option for songs. That sequence was beautifully added to thank you your She didn't she was like go away for he. Just let me figure this out. And so i. I went into the other room as you came back. Watch this and then. I was like oh god is perfect. We need this summer. Networks oh well within the confines of that moment and then at the same time you've got this wonderful creepy imagery of the mannequins in the museum of history. I'm sorry like there is still that one twilight zone episode. That will stay in my head forever. And i love the after hours. Yeah that one abandoned mall. I swear that will never leave my nightmares forever. But i loved that you had so many beautiful set pieces that seemed like oh maggio's two specific points of history and touchstones of horror throughout and i wondered. How difficult was it for your production designing team to meet those expectations. You know it's it's really funny. We were we. Were really really lucky to that count had never had a movie filmed there before and so we were really lucky to be able to film in all these locations and just and build them out to the senate so i use a local production designer. Her name is sabrina Byron and she works at the theme parks. She does a lot of set designed for things like that and so to be able to have someone come into at these relationships with people locally were able to bring the stuff in was really a a tremendous incredible value. And so yeah so half the stuff that you see in the movie like the ruins and everything like that is just you know that was an old florida. Shogun mel is so we were really able to just squeeze every bit of production value just naturally from that place that whole empty town. They clear that means For us it was really a surreal experience having like my own back lot to an extent. that's fantastic. And how did the town react to being basically called hell. Well you know. It's funny. Because i hope that they enjoy the movie. Because i hope that that compared that town is beautiful and it's very idyllic. And i think what they see and if you go there like when i had the town that i had written based off my memories of being a child going was very small and since then it's like it's become a pretty significant beach town so we kind of had to conform the movie to make it seem more isolated than it actually was. Because it's not too far. It's maybe like an hour away from daytona. Or whatever. I see your that kind of director that everything has to fit your memories. Well you know if she walked out of the of the of the restaurant and then there was a massive looming condo complex. I think that would kill the by. I write about bad. It was so. I think that the people of the town okay. It's it's different enough. It's dreamworld town. I really enjoy that. But i also really enjoy that confrontation that hell is the way you think about it and and putting that together with the theme of sacrifice is very punky thing for you to do in this film. Yeah you know. And also the idea of with richard breaks character. One person's hal is another person's heaven and they hope that they can end up there one day and i think that that's truly increasingly relevant. And really you know. That's the effort that i wanted to kind of especially with his character. Leave us sort of question as to whether he's available or whether he's just sympathetic. 'cause when i pitched as this is your version you're sitting here waiting serving percent the you can't root. This is your version of waiting for godot. Wars it's more than villainous. I feel yeah. It's interesting too when i think about it. I feel like the way that everything breaks in this film. If you just change some of the imagery around you could probably sell it. Is something completely different. Maybe well you know. I i enjoy movies that make me think like what is this mean. What's this interpretation. What is is. I like movies. That provide unanswered questions but possibly contradictions. I think that's very fascinating. And especially you find that quite a bit in old literature whether even gothic literature like the turn of the screw or something like that and so yeah. I what i want. People to take away from is as much of their own interpretations as anything else that i could tell them you know. So that's the rebel. Someone says i can switch around certain into this could be relevant to this. That's the beauty of art. I feel like any also. Have that kind of genre mash up in that you have those sequences that are the flashbacks. That could come from any kind of movie really. I mean you're just in the horror genre. Obviously her screaming the beginning we were talking about persona. you know. We're talking about a lot of bergman. And that's that's as tragic and horrific as texas chainsaw massacres ariza whispers. I mean like that's kind of were those anchor points as comparatively when she kept looking at the camera. I kept thinking crisis whispers. Great yeah definitely touch point for sure. That's very interesting. And her face is just so expressive she and live. All men have that same characteristic. Oh and it's like i. It was cavities. Said like there's greater effect in cinema than the close up of an actress space. And i really feel like that was the effort in the movie to have them talking to the camera and really feel bad. She is addressing us. It's weird. this is our nightmare as much as it is. Joscelyn's nightmare well. I wanna thank you so much for putting this nightmare to all of us and giving us communal problems with our sleep. Well thank you so much watching you document. Well thank you so much. And i wish you good luck at office west and have a wonderful time in the virtual festival world. 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American Movies Horny For Farms, Pandemic Friends 8.31.20

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American Movies Horny For Farms, Pandemic Friends 8.31.20

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I know it's been a while since you may have been out of the house living life like you used to. But you know what? There is the open road that still is out there and you should probably reintroduce yourself to it in a Mazda I. was lucky enough to drive around in a nine the last couple of months and I have to say the C. UV Lineup Mazda is pretty wonderful these. Vehicles are masterfully crafted. They have elevated design that's reflected in every detail from the controller knobs to the steering wheel. It's all there. So if you want more information on the MAZDAS UV lineup including the first ever six, thirty GOTO MAZDA USA dot com slash iheart, and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options. Hello the Internet and welcome to see one, forty, nine episode one of their daily. Of IHEART radio, this is a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say officially off the top fuck the coke brothers. Snooze Rushlimbaugh Buck Buck sexton fuck. Ben Shapiro and thought Talker Carl Hey have sex. Monday August Thirty First Twenty Twenty Names Jack O'Brien Aka I don't wear a mask because I'm done. Courtesy Kristi. Yamaguchi. Tight. I'm thrilled to be joined. By my co host Mr Miles trumper once told me face masto really help me I ain't the sharpest tool in the Shin and she was looking Kinda dumb with source of real income and mad hat honor for. Well Chill Star coming and they don't stop coming a loose stool and a hit the bathroom running didn't make sense to go to sturgis. Gets fever emerge is so hard to please so much not. So now I can't smell or taste thing you never be if you don't go you only had to wear a mask you know hey, now you're a spreader from smashmouth concert. Hey, now got cold bid on VENTA lay turn and. Only GonNA. Keep you grow. Okay now, that was an AK that wasn't even written for this show that was written by. I believe. Let me just pull this tweet up. From. Champs. And it was brought to my attention by at J. REPCO Paul from his gang. Thank you so much for that war. Chant Nella. We're thrilled to be joined in our third seat by the hilarious the talented Halley. For. You know it's crazy. I had tickets to surgeon and I was I was just gonNA head out and I thought I can't be the person. I can't be the one that brings it. So I have had a great time. You know see next year. What do you? What do you ride and what kind of hog you ride on these days Alley Oh man you know just a big heart. Bullshit I don't know anything about I. Just I I definitely with a sidecar. GotTa go full Sidecar with the wind goggles eleven. A scarf big long scarf yeah. I remember I asked to ride in Sidecar for like a birthday when I was a kid I was like all I be an aside car. Because I feel like he was in Indiana Jones and the last crusade and I was like all. This dope like Kana residing in this sidecar. Never got that right though. Even in the Adam West, one Ryden motorcycle and SIDECAR. I feel like get Robbins, right? Yeah. It feels right but I don't know if that's true because that seems very a bad look for any superhero to be in the sidecar like that feels too. Yeah. It seems like Robin should have his own like. Bird cycle or whatever is he named after a robin? The bird he must be right. Oh Robin Leach. As, a kid you were still like you tempered your expectations you weren't like I wanNA ride a motorcycle. Your I'd like someone else to write. A chair attached to it. A little bit for that cycle and stuff. ooh. Alright Holly, we're going to get to know you a little bit better in a moment first, Raina tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about today we're GonNa talk about a pandemic friends. The sequel to Kanye West real friends how many of us? We're GONNA talk about. Hollywood, hills, parties facing legal trouble. We will talk about Sturgis briefly just what the lead. To Connie tracks God no more parties in L. A.. Yeah pandemic friends. Friends right. Hand Damage Pablo dehmlow. Yeah. Those were both the singles that he dropped before life of Pablo to the first two. One, he was onto next up is Donald. Trump. For. President Right. That's right. Yeah. So we got we got. SMASHMOUTH smashmouth coming at you. We can talk about Becky Falwell? Man. Goll-. Wow more I guess accusations coming out of the woodwork from a young man. We're GONNA talk about one be are and the lost husband of the to net flicks. Top ten top tenors we re watched. How did you watch either these I'm you know I have not finished one one bedroom but I I've. been enjoying it so far and I've I'd never heard of the loss husband and now I googled it I was like, how did I not know not you'll tell me whether it's good or not. This this. It's the most watched movie on Net flicks of August. And it is mostly footage from. Depression and Allergy Medication Ed's is is kind of how. Really. Strange really is indistinguishable, and then there's some car ads thrown in there and at one point there gardening. So there's an arthritis also arthritis medication. I would've thought the algorithm brought to me based on that allergies and depression I I been show that as soon as net. But it sounds like based on you guys feedback on one bedroom that there are some similar themes that work about cities and the evil that lurks there So we'll talk about that. I had a very specific view of what this film was trying to say but I think that's just me being goofy and the plot being nebulous enough that I can bend it to be whatever I wanted to be about bend it like Beckham. Footballer Right Thank you. Thank you. We all remember that movie. Sorry. I'm a big football fan as you can tell because I know. Massive. Massive. Massive football fan. Foot border we'll. Go. The mets are my favorite squad run. The first, Halley, we like to ask our guests what is something from your search history that is revealing about who you are. So. I did tweet about this from my Goodness three I just. Google the words Kevin Smith. I didn't I didn't what really was looking up as Kevin Smith. The director. Lost, a lot of weight eating, Vegan Diet, and I've been sort of thinking about if I wanted to I wanted to watch a video encouraging me. To eat a Vegan Diet and I just. But instead of googling that which would have been more helpful I just google his name and thought well, maybe it come up and gave me some information one that he had died and and. So that was sort of like when did he die? How did he die Kevin says the director is not dead, of course. But but Google is giving me these answers and also all the photos that Google showing me are of Kevin Smith, the director and someone said. He died in. Two Thousand and two, and then the third question down. People. Also ask says, why did Kevin Smith die? Would that was like a very strange way to put it even if he had been dead. Lion Bit seems definitely it's the first question a lot of us ask after guys walk. And then, and then he just said the word accident and I was like so not only did this as he had died. Decades ago at this point, but they hear diving accident and then I tweeted this and someone said, Oh, it's actually an actor who was on xena Warrior Princess, who also have, which is a Kevin Smith, is a very common name of course, but it's just interesting that there was no clarification. There were not full sentences like Google did not say, Oh, were you talking about this actor who died two decades ago that I sorry to him but I can't imagine people are googling that often or do you mean the still living film director? So. Just sort of like had I not known. I'd be like Oh what Kevin Smith the director died. That's too bad lie. Oh, it says accident I don't even know any more information accident. Great. You know that's all a lot. So I think for me was like first of all I google search dumb but also I got bad results I think that's that is where I met. A person yeah. Right. Sometimes when I'm exhausted I will do some sloppy googling just because like I know it sloppy and I'm just like fuck it just give me give me a distraction. Google, Lynn Yeah they will sloppy googles. We'll slop Gu I tried watching that like Kevin Smith, like Jay and silent Bob new thing that came out recently I could I look I fucking love the US. Q. Universe. Okay. I'll all about that. Shit when I was in like Middle School whatever you know when you're like Oh this his movies are sick because the dialogue. So fucking wordy that you know he went to college. whereas. Now like this reboot it was like so frightening to see Jason Mewes look old? Brian. Oh. Look so old Kevin Smith and I was like this is so just please do other things now I can't look at you like this. You were my stoner idols and now I'm like this is the thing you just become a sad old guy but I think it's interesting. It's like now we live like that's that's what every show and film is about getting these beloved actors and actresses and figures back and we just watched sunset boulevard from the first time because I hadn't seen it and it was like, Wow, norma desmond now, they would be clamoring for her to have a network drama or like an elegant network. Primetime soap or something like if anything she'd be a backup for game just because we're having these like Oh people that. Pete Percent Allies that people love now they're like Picard or whatever like they're being brought back, you know or a massive reality show like the osbournes meets Grey Gardens. Yeah Yeah And we don't watch it wouldn't we all are like, fuck? Yeah Sunset Boulevard is a great I'm GONNA go ahead and say hold up. What is something you think is overrated. All this talk about we're GonNa, go to bars like, oh, we're going to colonize bars. It's like first of all. I'm sorry. No, we're not like we're not going to happen and if it is it's not while any of us who are alive and do you think that Mars is so great it's look here but way worse it's going to be the stuff we have to do to make Mars as good as earth is now we wake I just don't believe in. The, idea of going bars I was like Oh yeah, we're GONNA like no, we're not like we can't deal with climate change. There's no way. We're GONNA be able to like end up going to another planet we don't we don't have. Maybe one hundred years we're not there now. The thinking Mars will be like earth is like the. Equivalent where like the alien kids like mom we want Earth we want earth. She's like we have earth at home cut three. Yes. Right. Right. Like a I mean Kinda but this ain't mom. Yeah like I just feel like we do the work to maintain earth like would you that we could go and make another earth on Mars? It does it doesn't light up with reality? Right. Martin overages keep ruining. We just spread out and ruin new new and beautiful lands. We feel the stars with our garbage we her all of our one use plastics out on the stars. You don't feel comfortable until there's a garbage geijer on Mars. Alon on Moscow's fucking convertible Edison in this space now. Crash. Can Plan into like. Watch that's GONNA set off the next interplanetary war is his car fucking lands on some spaceship. From Earth Yeah. They keys in there I subscribe to the Star Trek version that aliens know about us. They're just like we're not fucking with them. They need to get their shit together, and then like once you reach a certain level of. Technology they'll be like, okay. Well, we'll. Their existence but. Feeling we will turn the Red Dot on Jupiter and do a garbage jar before that. and. Then we're going to talk to us. They're never gonNA. We're always going to be l. e. like, yeah we're here but we would rather not hang out with you guys aren't. by the way I was. I was wrong about the rods from God we had talked about that on a recent episode they were not a Nazi weapon. They were nineteen fifties weapon, but they would work people have figured that out tungsten rods drought-hit from space. Remember I was talking about those giant low drop in the polls from stomach from says there. Yeah. The idea was dropping tungsten rods from outer space and they would really destroy the shit out of a planet they were or a country or. Choice when they were dropped on. So that's a possibility she's always engine. Comrades from Gad's from Gad. I go I got just demolished people rushing to correct me on that fact, all history channel gain came for you his came up. Yeah. But I, appreciate it. Only, vaguely remember it now. Now, I can do a little research on rods from. God. that. Hollywood is what something is underrated. I, would say the pleasure of of a fresh sock socccer underrated and if you like as a child, obviously, it's like you don't WanNa sox's gift. But as an adult, like what are the old person things I'm? Just, a fluffy sock a clean sock put underfoot. It changes your whole day is just so nice. If you're a little bit cold is soccer good to go. So the new shoes in quarantine we don't Ivan that's. That's a good point. Yeah, we're all GONNA. End Up wearing like you know how babies like baby shoes or just socks at looked like shoes. A little. Have a little. Tra Tread on the bottom. Time. My kids were socks without the grip was I. I was not prepared for how unprepared they were for that this ice skating around. The. Good Suck. I got the winter. It's I. Think two winters ago I I I really embrace like the sock. Yeah. Terms of being like this is actually essential in it's because I have a lot of like athletic socks that I were. Not Sweating my feet on my shoes or whatever. But I have like these like. Mess around like almost like blanket soft salk acid in the windsor. Is like to your point there's something about when you move your toes and you're like dams like fucking like a luxury car or some shit from my foot. Yeah. I was thinking about like this is also like my age I. Remember like being in my early twenties and just buying shoes like urban outfitters or whatever, and I never wore socks all of shoes smelled if you get those little, not socks like they always fall off at least what I wear them and roll up into a ball and the toe and I remember just like rock around my feet freezing cardboard shoes at fell apart and now. That I live like that. Now what the highest quality sock I wanna like have feel comfort. And finally, What is a myth? What some people think is true you know to be false. The Myth is that if you get rabies, you will definitely die and the myth I'll debunked that because we have a protocol called the Milwaukee. Protocol. that. Now if you so basically, if you get bit by a bad or something like that, you could go get a prophylaxis but if you don't go to. But if you don't know where you don't realize you go to hospital once you have rabies symptoms. For the most part you will die like there's just nothing you can do. There's a doctor who yeah I'm sorry I got bad news. If you buy a bat, I was reading about this online and just like their the number of people who are like Oh yeah. I was bit by a bat and then just like didn't tell anyone go to the doctor guys knock it off. Or a raccoon or a possum any kind of woodland? Animal. Just go to the ends so. This doctor developed song called the Milwaukee Protocol and they it was sort of. Like this girl came in who had already was already having baby symptoms, which usually is fatal and so he developed the Milwaukee. Protocol where essentially put you into a medically induced coma for a month. and. Then they revived you and hope that sort of the effects of rabies have has passed of your body because usually kills you the effect of the virus. It's nuts. Like if you could survive the initial symptoms than you could potentially live the problem with this is that it does work, but it only works about one one out of four people. Wrestler time you're just not. It's just over. Yeah. So the myth you're busting is not the rabies is a bad time. Rabies is still a bad time you. You don't recommend it two stars out of five. I might even give it one obviously. Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah. If you get rabies you what it is, you don't necessarily doesn't mean you're going to die. It means you have to go immediately get put into a coma. and see how it rights out. Yes. Sounds a good shot you might die. Right. Yeah I just do want to say because my mother is a card carrying member of the American opossums society It's very rare that possums would have rabies. Thank you so much for bringing that up. It is very unlikely. It's awesome to my my mother will listen and she'll be like possums are don't have it. That's they have a bad rap. So. Yeah. Clan get it. But it's extremely rare for possums. In America it's usually bats in other parts of the world like, yeah. That's. Stuff yeah. It's usually bad. So even a bat is even near you if you fight a bad your house, just go in like I. Don't. Know Rabies guys that has. Been My. Instinct is to get the fuck away from debts. Scary creatures. Do you think people who get bit by Basil. They don't tell anyone because a low key they're like, maybe some you know I might get some new. Some some new and then they're like, oh, my new skill is shaking violently in. My News I can't drink water anymore. They go watch something about it just. Kinda does something. That's not how he got it never mind. It's not as origin story. Shit. Yeah. That's terrifying. I used to. When I was growing up our house multiple of our houses in wheeling West. Virginia. Had back problems and I would wake up in the middle of the night and be like there's a bird in my room again, and my dad would have to chase the bad out of the House with a tennis racket. Oh Yeah I grew up on like northeast Ohio I feel like a bird or a bad guy in the house every other week like constantly like if you left a door open, they were getting in and we had to chase around with a laundry basket and try to capture them. Shout out to Ohio and West. Virginia. Chatted to people who leave their shit open all day where animals can get it I'm like what the fuck do in my house every, but it's also because You'd never leave your door wide open. Like wide open with no screen ours were. Ours were. Coming in through what they said, there's a bird in your room. Oh. But then it would get into the house from the attic, right? Yeah. You gotta we we had a big snake problem. The snakes will get into the basement and then crawl up through the heating ducts into the house. That is. God, there's only and what you just watch them emerged from the floor and you're like snake. One time my brother what my youngest brother was coming out of his room and he looks like the Heating Register on the ground and there's just a snake coming out of it and looking at him it wasn't like a poisonous stake or anything but that means I'd snake basement to the second floor of my parents house through the heated ducks. Yeah. Yeah snake problems are real thing I our house in Missouri. Had A snake like it had like a little bog behind it and marriage a snakes all the fuck over the place it was very disturbing big bog problems. Yeah. Yeah. Big Problems. BBP. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and talk. Pandemic friends. Hey Miles. It's Jack How's it going man good man you know just taking in that new car smell as much as I can help helps open my lungs bit cooped I'm feeling cooped up man I, gotTa get I gotTa get out of the how you guys. 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No He's probably sensible, and that's why I believe this car really was built for me why yes. I'm black person who likes styling who likes efficiency who likes minimal of minimal flexing if you'd like to say. But still enjoys a bit of elegance. They truly design it like there's an art. design. It it's not just a science. No. In cars is an art ten. It's for people like me I like to drive. No. I'm not someone out here who needs to be doing three hundred miles an hour but I liked the handling of a good vehicle and I love a great bow sound system which these. Can. Come equipped with. So if you want more information on the Mazda C UV lineup including the first ever see X. THIRTY TO MAZDA USA dot com slash iheart and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options. We should start podcast. 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R. dot com slash get started. And we're back and I feel like there's some underrated ways. The pandemic is probably affecting our lives that. Because of the whole frog sitting in a pot of water situation of like we're just doing it every day, and also we have the news there to distract us that we probably aren't fully realizing it One of those I think as friends I mean. Yeah I feel like in the first week, I was trying to contact every single person I knew like somehow like that was my first remedy it was like Ayman that I used to be in a band with six years ago like what's up man? What are you doing? Oh cool. All right. See You later I at? I. I was really like trying to be like Oh this is a great time to reconnect but there's there's a lot of research talking about you know how a lot of evolutionary biologists and sociologists are looking at how just sort of this. Are disconnected is you know what the ramifications are to our social ties and you know just going from the beginning monkeys humans like when you're measuring the quality of a relationship there it's all it's measured by how likely fellow monkey April human is to step up and defend you, and that depends directly on the time invested in that person or animal. So a lot of the things like okay. So that makes sense and we realize as we. Are Sort of quarantined there's a lot. It's been harder sometimes to maintain friendships just because like it's you can't really keep up that same amount of time as you used to when you're sort of out and about and it was easier to socialize and things like that. So now they're seeing while some may be deteriorating. They're also people who are reporting that they're forming new relationships or new friendships because of quarantine whether that's like with a neighbor who You talk to over your fence or just out in your front yards or you know whatever maybe a coworker lives nearby and it's easier to socialize at a nearby park or whatever your backyard that these things are all kind of like evolving, and you know one of the effects of this is going to be that there will be new relationships and there'll be some older ones that have been replaced by these new relationships because like the upkeep is just a little bit harder to do. And it's. The concept is sort of understandable But yeah I'm just like. I do I have new. I don't really have new neighborhood friends. I see more people more often that live closer to me like walking distance. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah. For sure walking is a as as we discussed walking having a moment as having a moment. But Yeah I don't think I've replaced any friends with new friends because I didn't have friends to begin with so true. That's not happening but I definitely. Could see that happening where either type of person to You know have a real person who I've forged new relationships with his myself I. Think. I feel like the only person I really feel like I've become closer to is the guy who works the liquor store Diaz and I because I the first couple months I saw him and that was it. You know in the liquor store not only is the liquor store. It was the beginning ahead toilet paper ahead all this stuff because it was just sort of this corner store you know everyone's running to the supermarkets and drugstores and this was like Oh yeah. We have some stuff and I got to know him his name. No does he have an identical brother who also works there and I could never tell which when I was talking to yeah true. Yeah well, it's funny. I can only tell because his brothers much less talkative like not interested in being afraid like he just not that way it's A. That he'd be like, oh. Okay. I was like you're the other one and also they have you know we we all have masks on. Normally I'd be able to figure them out but. It, but the friendly one he clearly we both are people who just want to talk talk talk. So he's like telling me about his mom and his father and his cousin who works in silver, Lake and then we moved and so now we live not too far away. But far enough away that we're not gonna go there that often and I was like, Oh, like we weren't friends but we were a touchtone during the pandemic that likely unless I'm go have a reason. To go there like the the researchers saying is like I would have to then go out of my way to befriend him and like I'm not going to do that I i. just I just won't. So by did feel bad like when I moved I was like well, it was nice. Talked to him a couple of times a week even and that was it. So it does make you think more consciously about how do you maintain friendships and like especially now it's like Are there acquaintances that you were then going to try to re up into friends or are they just going to kind of be like maybe we could have been French but h but we kind of missed the window I guess ray promotion is there some promoted others get relegated to the vision? The other thing is like they're in France to they were a lot of studies going on specifically in that country about how the lockdown was affecting sort of people, social bonds, and then other phenomenon was called re relationship. With is basically like a huge survey where they were like if people there found this effect to be actually occurring in. So essentially what they're saying is that while some friendships were prioritizing even strengthened through care and increase communication, other more marginal connections just fizzled out like just naturally I think that also makes sense but tied to that is that a lot of things like don't worry if certain relationships don't like sort of you don't you're not as strong as. You were before pandemic because they say capacity remains to obviously Rico. Once all that happens but things change and also just with the level of digital communication that's also been like another big complaint that like, wow other people have such strong relationships like we all have friends where it's like, yeah we make zoom stuff work to face times working cetera et cetera that it's just not quite there and it's the biggest thing that people miss now is obviously just human contact. So you've noticed. That funneling feature miles like with because you you were among the more active socially on on zoom of the people I know like when things I kicked off, you've noticed that that's kind of scaled back. Yeah because I think what happened is like in the beginning, it was easier to treat the pandemic like weird government mandated summer like indoor or some writing and. What are you doing all day Oh, what are you gonNa Cook and then you're like Oh God the. Country is in nearly irreparable shape at this point, and then like I think then people's realities kicked in and we weren't getting social but every now and then we're like we gotta talk can we do whom call and we do that now but yeah I definitely think that there are people who. Maybe. I would have talked to more that I just haven't because of all of this who knows maybe they're just haters and that's why we don't. You don't hear from me so. I have found it really useful to just meet up with my friends at these Hollywood hills parties. I've been going. there. Chill and so great. 'cause like up there. It's cool. Nobody really wears a mask or anything like that. You just get to talk to like like normal Yeah. Yeah. Really close. You realize how much you just miss it. You know like. Cypher passionate join around with. man No. So Hollywood hills like La just can't stop finding new ways to create super spreader events like we've talked before about the parties in the hills and you know basically reinventing the speakeasy except people are dying that. Some people like aren't even doing like the finesse part of a speak easy where. Like some. Out in the open straight up rangers, Woodland Music Blasting fucking Dj's with amplified music. It's it's a lot and like so there was one specific house you were talking about if these to tick tock celebrities, Bryce Hall and Blake Gray if those are their real names, they I like we talked about how Garcetti. was. Essentially, shutdown water and power to like houses that were caught partying. So this Tiktok House party house, they got hit with that first one they had the water and power shutdown because they were just. Having these huge parties. Again, during the pandemic and then now it's it sounds like the mayor and city attorney are announcing possibly criminal charges. For people that are having these parties. which is really interesting because I've not seen charges yet for officer Tony Mcbride who shot and killed Daniel Hernandez back in April. And maybe that's because she's the daughter of an influential member of the Police Union and the Da Jackie Lacey is very chummy with the movies union. So let's vote her out in November, but it's interesting that where the mayors like okay. Yeah. Obviously. Parties are terrible idea in the pandemic but like the speed at which they're like Yep, let's let's let's nip that in the bud while other people like we've got also a lot of injustices do that were also really concerned about mayor but okay, do you sir? Yeah, it really speaks to the power of like. Like the call from the neighbor to the police imagining like my mind the reason these are GonNa shut down of assets like they are also surrounded by other wealthy predominantly white influential people. So it's sort of like Oh, the it is like as an American you have to understand the power of just being the neighbor and I think it's like the different situations that you as the neighbor have to decide is now the time that I as the neighbor make the call in this case I, you know I feel like this having Tiktok party asked us I was worried about it too. I like this is like some sort of psychological experiment to make these kids go insane 'cause like they're all super young like it's just these houses filled with like suddenly wealthy. Social media celebrities. Like somebody's GonNa get stabbed or something like I it's just it's just not like you need to interact with normal life unlike normal people in reality and right now literally physically you can't. But also now you were silo in yourself. The whole thing's a bad idea. You know like the parties are just the beginning of it like that I I think this is like we were saying earlier like grey gardens like type of. For Norma Desmond what was? Yeah that's what that's what my concern would be like. This seems real bad. And I did this savage challenge over there. No. Yeah. Well, speaking, of super spreader events. It is now you know the initial reports out of sturgis was that no new cases couple here a couple there yeah, but. Nothing big, and now that science is actually getting a look at you know what the numbers and. Where people who are testing positive these days got the disease from her were exposed to people who are cova positive. They're finding that at least a one hundred cases are coming from sturgis in all spreading all across the country. And you know specifically the smashmouth show has been implicated in that so. We we had the audio from the lead singer smashmouth being like fucked that. We're all here together. And that doesn't work apparently I was. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you know I shout out to those fans that are they put it all on the line for smashmouth. Yeah it's really I'm yeah. I can only imagine where this goes in how much worse it could get. But yeah, this is this is one of those things like, yeah we saw this shit coming in y'all really acting like it was all good but I guess maybe they think you know you have four hundred, eighty thousand people right now it's just one hundred cases and then like well. Where's Dr Phil Chino But Robert. He's he's under. Let's. Go Go I just didn't know if you've talked about some point like how they were tracking cell phone data. Around Sirte Sturgis, which is its own terrifying idea that that's what we're going. Instead of having you know like system put in place where people can be tested and we're tracking it sort of people as humans it's like. It was like all technology where it's like people are like we're not gonNA use whatever deep fakes trick people or whatever, and in this case it's like we are using people's in an anonymous as far as they tell us cellphone data to track the spread of disease. So we are already doing it I don't know it just sort of like that's another creepy element where it's like Oh. Yeah. We couldn't track the disease in a humane way because we just don't want to bother. Of course, it's going to default to these technologies that everyone's been talking about how we're GONNA misuse. Them. Eventually, you know so I don't know it's it's really creepy. Well. Speaking of creepy. Did. WanNa. Just check in with. Jerry Falwell Junior story. Story the week if you ask me really so it's getting dark. Yet our full on sexual assault territory. Yeah. Becky Falwell. Jerry Falwell JR junior's way allegedly sexually pursued her son's friend. Went into his room while he was sleeping, pulled his pants down and performed oral sex on him and then like kept like messaging him, he sent a politico screen caps of like messages where. She was saying you know just very flirty things to her to him and then apologizing after the fact to wounds that she may have caused and just seems like this is going into a dark place of like Sexual Predator, and the people around them enabling the behavior. Yeah. I feel like because I guess the Yeah. The the Falwell sort of dismissed this story and they describe it as a false and fantastic claim and it's like. If you did something. The one thing you can't do is come out and say it didn't happen like we will find out if this guy saying is true, which is like she pursued for months she facebook tim she sent him gifts. How do you think we're going to get around that I think the level of arrogance I guess about this whole. Have to arrogant order like tell people to do certain things sexually, and then you're doing them at the same time. It's like boy I just don't know how. To be like, no, that thing that there's clear evidence of didn't happen I. Don't know who's going to believe you. I don't know what your mind how you rationalizing coming out like that. I don't know what was at that point you're you're built like that in the pre dam is just all about that. So there is no I think consideration of what's lawful or moral it's like this is these are eire's and I'm going to act out on them, and then just do the thing that we see all kinds of like. Super transgressor. Predator type people do just immediately just be unequivocal now never happened. Never happened it's fake so. Yeah you're attacks, but I wasn't talking about When I was telling him to get his bangs cut that was just purely. Aesthetic advice some on a cover up those killer is of years and you know the Bandanna drives me wild perfectly. Reasonable compensation for your friends mother to be. Hitting you up with Jesus. Yeah. So anyways, and a lot of this is like Liberty University students. So it's really using their position of power to. Prey on on people who are kind of at there will. There spell and not to be like everybody goes to Liberty University is A. Evangelical or Super Christian or raise that way. But I do think it speaks to like the there. I was doing their student body does tend to be people who have been raised to respect authority. They probably have given like a coherent sexual education or you sent again that's a generalization but I do like having like a super religious focus I mean I went to Dame, which is very Catholic and that has that I. would. Just like pretty. You know what I mean like they were they're giving us some information but like you aren't you, it's your student body or almost like you're making them more vulnerable to people like this if you are teaching them to unequivocally. Go along with certain rules like this, and this example like she was able to probably manipulate this person because he's like I mean she wouldn't do anything wrong like they're both moral and. Educational, authority so I guess I don't know it just like you're setting those kids up. By not by not treating them giving them information they need. Yeah. I mean it's similar to a lot of what you see in the Catholic church scandals. Right, that are coming out more and more that a lot of this abuse was happening at a time when the. Local. Priest was just like Una thirty figure be I was just like well. Yeah. The priests like just ask the priest I'll tell you what to do. Yeah and the Falwell's I mean their whole thing is acting like a moral authority and that's why this whole thing is. So riddick is a first ridiculous but also, of course there like this break because once you have made or something more authority, you could rationalize anything. I'm the one who's in the right so I'm allowed to do X Y and Z. People. I'm saving these other people and give myself the latitude to do other things. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and talk about why It's actually the city people who are evil and the rural people who are who are the good one of that Jeffersonian tension baby. Hey. Guys. Sometimes, our food is more than just food. It's an integral part of our community. So this year discover is giving five million dollars to support black owned restaurants to places like post office pause in Birmingham Alabama. That's a pizza place has. The pictures really. Had Me hungry like immediately after breakfast I was ready for launch back in the day bakery in Savannah Georgia and hundreds more black owned restaurants in your local community all across the country learn how you can show your support at discover dot com. Hey Miles. It's me Jack from work in your bushes. Once again I know thank you for opening your door. I didn't open the door I know well, you didn't lock it, which is basically the same thing. Anyway I WANNA talk to you about You know I love audible. I'm huge fan huge ear reader loved to read with my ears and I. I've been reading people were asking about what the book on why Mar Germany that I was reading the death of democracy and when I say I was reading I mean I was listening to it oh audible. Yeah. A lot of adults don't read as much as they used to listening to an audio book is a good way. I've Look I. I'M IN A couple book clubs there've been moments where I tried to read the roll on Hardcover Book and I'm the IT's getting down to the wire and I need sometimes it's nice to listen to a book at one and a quarter speed and get all that information quickly 'cause I'm not a big fiction guy but the nonfiction, it's Oh. There's nothing better than just have to read it at a half speed. Slowed all the way down. Oh, man. All right. My brain just is very slow anyways. That's not even option. But so we've talked about audible before I've explained why I love audible. But something that I'm just learning during quarantine is they have so much other things to offer. Like stories audible dot com is something that I just found out about. I am going to be using it. They have different categories of stories that you can listen to with your family a section littlest listeners that I can listen to with my two and four year old that includes Winnie, the Pooh Story Party Laurie, Berkner Song and story Laurie Berkner. Musicians yeah. You got to explore audible. It's not just audio books anymore guy's so claim your first free audio book by going to audible dot com slash TV or text t d Z. to five hundred, five, hundred. That's audible dot com slash t deasy or text t d said to five, hundred, five hundred and get their free audiobook. And we're back and So we watched one bedroom and the lost husband miles you on a kick it off you guys since Halley watched one bedroom or most one bedroom. The year, you like a little bit of this genre film. Oh Yeah. I would love to hear you you break it down up until where you saw it and you know to hear professional talk about it a little bit. Oh well, I can't claim to be professional, but so far went bedroom i. love it as someone who is just looking for a one bedroom in la I was really invested in the search I was like I hope I. Hope She does get it in such a nightmare and I also think like So I I lived in New York for thirteen years and I just. Moved here to move with my boyfriend and it was interesting because he's from California and he's lived here for the same amount of time in La and like his standards of living are higher because Oblivion Newark I'm like, oh. It's not filled with rats. Great. You know and so in the in the movie sort of a new a girl who's new to this city, she wants to be a costume designer moves in finds a one bedroom huge. She's working temp she really lucked out so I understand why she left on this this place. And Yeah. Are there pipes constantly banging in the middle of the night? Did her door get left open? Is there a lot of creepy stuff's saving to happen at least the parts that I watched? Yeah. But you have to look at like I'd be like great. You know like, okay, I. Asleep while they're not doing anything, we we get a parking space included. You know so I feel like. I but I do to the to your point is interesting because you have the horror of moving to the city but then you also have a lot of horror the cabin, the woods we're we're going to start a new life something tragic happens the first ten minutes the movie, and now we're moving into a country house where we could heal as a family. Oh, there's some there's a stir or whatever. So. I guess it's like, yeah different kind of a different kind of isolated city isolation and like a remote physical isolation and this is. Being isolated in a city. Yeah. It's really interesting because these steps like this apartment building essentially you find out is just this massive. Colt thing that this guy some psychologists created like this book about the new community in howling it's built on these four pillars of openness and truth and. And you know this woman goes from thinking Nice apartment to her cat being thrown in the oven, and then she's getting like the literally the STIGMATA or getting like like you know there are some wild scenes that not even that they're like so graphic but you're just like this is so odd like we're the whole thing is that we want to help you find A. New Happiness. So maintain this stress position physically stressful position against a wall for hours at a time until we break you and then eventually like it's about her getting out of it but it was Kinda funny like this steps of it was like it just seemed like any person moving to la WHO's like trying to get into combat you move to La Somehow. Joined a colt mistakenly. Some other people you around like a good idea, check it out. You might get some work Then she goes on a podcast where two dudes ask her about her sex life. which is really just seeing it. I honestly Jack I. was like She's going on a podcast because there's a moment where part of her like you know indoctrination reprogramming processes like her going into this room where she's giving a lie detector test. But the way the room up, it has like sound panels and like a wooden wall and there's a Mike on a stand that's just to talk into and. I was watching with Her Majesty you. We both like she going on a podcast guide like visually it was set up like to tell us about your first sexual experience and I'm like this is a very dark weird version of someone trying to get into acting or comedy in La. Just address Shit, and then she ends up with a broken older man because the community like makes her be this new guy's wife. Reminded me I'm assuming not to be like Oh probably based on this but have you guys been doing I start watching the vowel that a documentary about next HBO but I was seeing a lot of the parallels? Yes, this. Yeah and it's funny because you watching that too. It's not next year, which is sort of like a self help group as all cults begin and then eventually these women were being sex trafficked Essentially and manipulated by the two people in charge of it and watching it. You're like how are people still falling for it but I guess if you're lonely, you really want meaning which is the point of this movie to is you will sit there and you will pay thousand dollars to be apart go to some self help seminar and you will wear a sash and be like, Oh, well now I'm at this level or whatever. In Two thousand twenty four hour people still falling for that, and the answer is like there's a it's almost like a mathematical code. It's like, yeah, if you were able to like isolate someone in their voter will. Then, you could make. Like if somebody tells you I of the answer and no one has ever thought of before that's a cult you have to get out of there. Nobody has the answer to life and and they certainly didn't just discover it, and now you have to pay a thousand dollars or or whatever you have to move into live with the person they've assigned you or something right when I was watching. The first scenes like stabbing establishing shot, of L.. A. And then like this woman pulls up to a house as open house and she walks into this like very L. A. Building like a central courtyard that has a pool and the most eighties L. A.. You know La you'd like Okay Melrose Place. No No. Not Nice like that. Like once you like move into like you know when like East Hollywood if. I apart around there kind of spot and. I was a media league tipped off when she walks his building and all the neighbors are out like. Having Fun on mcdonagh off with any of this I would just be as I don't like building where y'all socializing this much. This is already putting this L. A., we do not talk to each other. That's the rule in. This is a cult I felt it in my bones, but that was just more I think my l. a native mine of being put off by socializing. Yeah. Okay. Where's she moving from in at the beginning? Not Clear country or it's Her Dad definitely was like I'll get on a flight. So it's far enough away that it's like not California or like a surrounding states it seems like she's like the Midwest or something, right? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I, think the thesis of the lost husband is that cities and even suburbs are evil and the country is pure and good and the only place to raise a family at sort of the like the opposite side where it's kind of you know country porn a little bit like it's just like people running through fields and kids playing entirely. Fingertips on wheat. You better. Damn. BELIEVE WHY? Why like Sun Beams breaking through? One of the shots where 'cause I was like the whole time. Oh. Categorizing in my mind like that's a shot that could have been be role that they got from like a medication Ed that's a shot like. Right. And that that was one of the ones where I was like that's actually more cinematic than the other like. Because it is just a rip off of the shot for gladiator. So it starts with a woman and her two children, a widow and her two children going to live on a farm. And they're leaving behind her mother, who's like chain smoking in the beginning just like giving them the meanest Mug ever and so at first, she's like really rude, he's like texting and being super rude about like her dead uncle's art her aunt's lake and he made that piece of art. She's like, yeah, it's certainly rustic. Oh, Damn, you're the TAG. City people. Turn Man. We got to. We've got to put him up there so we can see that turn happened. Right but the first half is like watching slow TV like the thing Oh from Scandinavia from Scandinavia where they'd just like show the front the view of like a train going through the country it's. Like nothing is happening. I. Checked the time that was left like probably five times during the first Ono's just like how is this making time slowdown? That's amazing. But then like things start happening and they introduced like these plot mysteries at the midpoint and to the point that in the second half I was like wait how are they going to solve all of this with just like fifteen minutes left It's just So. First of all, like the love Interest Josh to Mel at like halfway through. I was just like Oh shit. This dude is like a full pepper. He's like, Oh you shouldn't sing your kids to college. You should just teach them how to hunt and fish and hot wire cars for when the apocalypse comes. If this he legit says that he legit says those words to the point that he the next thing he would have said in reality would have been have you heard about Q. Drops I want to try right? Right? Yeah. I tell you the truth about America right? It's your plan DEMOC. Yeah. There's a woman who is the like they have black people exist in this movie. So that's cool and the small town and there's one woman named sunshine who like communes with spirits. So magical black woman they have a magical Negro in this film. Yeah. Oh boy and Look at them. Yeah. She is a young the daughter of the boyfriend of the older aunt, the widow. Boyfriend. Yes. Talk. With her father is I think he's the mayor from the wire, the she. So. He's great as always but she is a singer songwriter who The protagonist like what are you doing in the small town? She's like I want to La but just basically like chewed me up and spit me out I like she became an alcoholic while she was there like just immediately the city just completely corrupted or I have some bad news about small towns of alcoholism. Trying. To land this like I. Don't think it's a geographic situation I think you could pretty much anywhere. It's this could be sponsored content for farmers only dot com it's just only well shows you that rob calm I would like. But. It also has like porn esque setups with just know porn is just them hanging out and being awkward but it's interesting to me that this movie which doesn't have anything very special about it has been so popular, it suggests that there is this undercurrent of. That Jeffersonian like agrarian of urban. Yeah. Like that mindset Israel Israel and out there And people really believe that the city is super. evil. I think like it's interesting 'cause like all the things that are that they think of evil are just like failures of social planning and like society like people talk about like there's homeless people everywhere I'm like, yeah, man they're just living here. Like. Homelessness Park Yeah. Let's. Like what what is the? That's what we're to like. That's why it exists because right? Yeah, it's just like That's obviously all propaganda. Like physical I would love to go to a farmer like be in like a more natural setting right now because it's like Oh yeah, we're just killing right parliaments. So I understand that part of like, oh, the fantasy of going into the to a small town and having a nice house of the porch but you know they got alcoholics they got people who are like if that homeless almost hopeless even we have problems all over. That, the idea of the small town has always been a fantasy. Oh yeah, and it's different problems. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's a couple really great moments of the scenes with the kids are like a person without kids idea of having fun with kids. There's one scene where they're like making cheese and they're just all like laughing their heads off. Too. Much thought I. Just thought this would own just. Reminded me of like the you know the partying groundhog day where like Bill Murray kind of gives up and becomes manic and has yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Running through the is. Like really weirded out by like that's kind of what it felt like at one point. The protagonist is pitchfork King. Hey, around but it's like you can tell that during the preparation for that scene, she didn't consider the actual purpose of this job because she's just like picking up the hand like flinging it into the air and it's It's very strange. Going there just you know some of this. Stuff this flinging, but it does grow on you about halfway through I was ready to stop. But by the end, I don't know I was I was onboard. We'd. So it does it need to do with her husband like is she being haunted or is there like? Haunted. Her husband. It's kind of a mess like her in that like her husband died in a car accident. You feel like there's going be some revelation where like she was partially responsible. Something like a deeper at work there but it turns out she just feels responsible because he usually didn't take their daughter to school and like it's not very a very realistic like moral quandary. Cut His brake lines before she did. She that's not what she feels guilty about. There's a is a great farmers market scene where like her friends from. Chamonix up and are just like, do I look old? Do I need new boat talks and the other one's like no, my you look great from the last bow talks that you had in the other friends like I haven't had buttocks forever I need to catch up with you on my boat talks lay like the it's drinking like that's what they're had like they're talking about a pounding beers, a fraternity or something. It's very clear and it's point of view on the country versus the city others. Also, her mom is like this evil figure who like has been married five times and You Know is very devils wife Yes. Yeah. And Shit it's it's wild Did it ever at any point? Like will it make you feel good or yes city hater by the end. By the end like it casts its spell, it does it does a fine job Yeah. But in job fine, it's fine. huff define where it was I thought it was like the Pacific northwest and then you find out halfway through its in Texas so not really Portraying a very clear that might just be my. My dumb brain but who knows where they shot it? Yeah Yeah shot in Toronto or something. Yeah. Wherever the tax breaks the best, but it's just A. It's interesting because this is like you're saying like we're seeing real estate prices like really shoot up in rural areas and plummet in cities and I think this ties into this overall fantasy that like gotta get away from the cities because I'm watching CNN these uprisings and also like you know there's farms, we can go out and get fresh air and not have to interact people. People not have to deal oppressed people trying seeking. God I love the country. Yeah Yeah. It's just like how can I escape from dealing with all these societal issues that we have to address? Where can I retreat to the comfort? Of Classic. rural. America it's very much that very much. We're the only black people aren't will give you a hard time because you don't have a blm sticker on your car and they'll give you a whimsical Tarot card. Reading. So, anyways it's. I get why it's popular ten out of ten for sure. I would say for anyone who is thought about who has been to La check out one one bedroom it's look it's not great and it also, it's so predictable. It's feels like a lifetime movie and you'll know it's I think it's funny that anyone who's like moved here in pursuit of entertainment 'cause they're just moments as this could you could kind of see this as like this really weird take on like trying to get in the Biz but yeah, I. Just building yeah I'm really enjoy obviously I haven't finished up I'm really enjoying it so far and I think is because like I just moved to La this year and I'm like. You know I had to get a one bedroom what would I deal with but what I put up with? What I join a cult in order to have like a reasonably priced one bedroom. Absolutely. Absolutely I. I'm very sympathetic. Well how it's been a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist where can people find you follow you? On twitter and instagram at Halle Kiefer and you could follow updates on our my new podcast ruined with Allison lobby at on twitter at ruined podcast, and we dropped new episodes, every Tuesday, and if you have any suggestions, please just tweet me like movies you'd like to do or things you'd like to see for us because we just launched. So any feedback is good feedback. Oh, except don't be pleased. But anything. That's not mean we we'd love to hear the premise of the show. So I love horror movies and my co host is very scared and squeamish about them. So, basically every episode I sort of recounting her a different horror movie and then she reacts to it based on my telling of it. So she scores it essentially scary. She finds it based on my storytelling abilities. So I yeah, we have very done the ring candyman and the Bobby Duke. All all wonderful movies says, she never sees the movies she just gets your take on them. Yeah, and it's funny because I am sort of like well, either just watch them in any mean but then there are certain movies where Mike I understand why you don't WanNa see someone to capitated like I'm sympathetic to like. I WANNA be it's like she's a sweet kind woman and I I. Understand, why am I not want to see this? So yeah, but but you also I think it's fine for like horror fans. If you've already seen the movies every Friday, we pose like today we'll post what the movie is for next week so you can watch beforehand. Your chance. would. It drive you crazy if I asked you what your top three horror movies are no I I've thought a lot about this. I think a hard as I tend to rate movies. I saw as a child or teenager way higher because I was so much more scared. Obviously like movies for me I get it. Yes. I think hereditary might be the one of my top three inches of scariness been terms like movies I'm much more like I water watch over and over again, which case I would say the poltergeists, the exorcist and the ring, the American version of the ring but may change tomorrow because I feel like those movies I. could just put on and watch again and I like. Hereditary or I don't know like certain movies like I found them the scariest not gonNa just casually put them on you know. So I think it just depends on what are you actually in the mood to be genuinely scared or are you like I just want to slip into a pool of the poltergeists and watch the cameraman Rep his face off your driveway South Yeah Yeah. Just enjoy myself to that. S No. I mean, there's still photos of Toni Collette contorted scream faced from hereditary. I was like I can't watch that. Yeah and thing you're right. That's that's what we were like. Watching if you feel you can. But if not, I, completely understand why you would. It's Jenn it's viscerally scary because everyone said it's like you don't understand like it's his scarier per differ reason just because it will just reek you out and I might. Watch the ring high. So you know what? Gets. Me Is high or like talk about my fucking. Yeah. Yeah. I'll say this out loud Jack. This is you don't know how to fuck with you. Then the girl from the ring to Your House An. Actual Acrobat or maybe it's not her but the that like backwards crab walk they actually hire an acrobat to do that because Practice cash. Yeah, the iconic horror movie crash scary every time are CARNAC crab. Walk. To why that turn? Halley I forgot to ask you is there tweet or some other work of society enjoy? So. This is the dumbest tweet I. I thought I liked recently, and it's from my boyfriend Dave Schilling. He's great follow twitter and it's a photo of pit bulls pit bulls birth name was actually heat bowl? And that's it. Just so stupid. So I, I really enjoyed that one. I heard him laughing, and then he will often laugh at his own tweets and I'll look and I'll be like, oh, it's the dumbest thing. I've ever. Owned you mean the dumbest thing ever trimmed rats. Yeah. Congratulations you've done it again a. Mazda people find you. What's tweet you've been enjoying twitter instagram at miles of grey also other podcasts for twenty day fiance Sophie Alexandra is getting high talking about ninety day fiance because that's you know that's how I don't watch horror movies I watch a horrible reality TV. Yeah. Yes. Different works different way I know. It's funny how there's some people who are like I just to cringes too weird like I don't like. These people's lives are in chaos and like yes, it is. And it's real. It's not a script. So maybe in that way, I'm some darker shit. To. At Jacob de Welsh Is The tweet is Winston I attain says, let's go girls. I'm like ready to run through a Walbro. Man. The energy. 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Congress of Unusuality

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Congress of Unusuality

"Hey Kurt. This is Richard Wilson from Chile films. And we have a message. This is for you this is madge shelly. Sounds and you're listening to you for on on radio. They think you so much for that introduction. MED Schilling chilly teen. You all are so talented your phenomenon which you do or Joe Wilson. Oh my God you guys you guys man. Oh you guys just keep making you just keep making you just keep putting out there man. Just keep evolving it. Keep it keep shaped shift in feeding it growing at such a great series on your hand under the flowers. Gad's so good and now we're gonNA listen to a piece of an interview that I had with Blyth Baynes my fellow synchronicity lover. A fellow lover of synchronicity. Just can't get enough. She's got so many stories so many astounding synchronicity. And you'll find that the more she just keeps invite him in the more they just keep happening. It's just so good it is so good. This is such an extraordinary education in charting. The words language that we're using and in charting it directly like a leg break from trill watching how evolves watching how devolves got blyth pains next and after that We've got my journey to unusual Tuesdays. It's it's uncertain peace so stick around folks stick around. There might be something that you like. Thank thank you so it was one of the greatest things and that's one of the reasons that I know. It's so important to you. Know if you see something and like you're not happy about it instead of being like meaner Kirk K.. Like you know it's the way it is like I'll see where takes aim change your attitude about it and you're like okay. Let's see what happens here. Could never have anticipated that kind of crazy discovery discovery. It was insane like just one of the most coincidental things and my friend was just so surprised. She's like you're kidding. Like No. This is what happens in my life like so it was just absolutely insane. Absolutely insane is incredible when you think about all that have you put those pieces together. And it's so funny when I hear these stories and when these things happen to me I'm equally completely astounded that it's happening and also going out. It's doesn't surprise surprise me and it's this double thing of like. Of course this bizarre thing would be happening here right now and also completely astounded that it is happening right now and it's like I just love that inviting more and more of those like twilight zone moments in your life than going. Okay you want to toilets turn up the volume on this. It was just absolutely insane like I was like Holy Cactus is listened to that ridiculous song on repeat because it was just so it was so funny because it was just like you know a bunch of Oh young guys who cover their verse time. They're talking about like spending all this money reality like after that experience they were hall broke. It's like there is so much you love it. It's like a documentary God. Gosh it's incredible. It's I feel so genuinely lucky for like the level along the weird experiences happen. It's like some of it out of this world so who are some of the people that you want to work with you know. Let's let's woods conjure this up right now where some people that you want to really think about that. It was. It was amazing. Being able holding guy like snoop dogg on. How did you do that? He so two different guys. Both named Sean name spelled differently though made it happen and our just like holy cow alley but I. I think that was in my mind because Carter was like you know. The next step is to get featured artists and in my mind is like we can like really you know. Get someone like big. You know this early on made apple which is so funny. The master of manifestations shins here even in effect that you open it up and allowed for that to exactly and then it ended up happening and so now just like okay like anything can happen. I really have gotten got into the mindset of really. Anything is possible because I have been able to do things so far that I you know a couple four years ago I would have been like impossible again climbing that ladder like trust and believe really helps powering it with excitement for the next crazy stuff that you so excited to like you know I have I have one single coming. After white rabbit and then uh-huh also an EPA five and then. I'm doing a song might well. I did a song with my friends featured on it and so he's going to do anything that early soon so it should be like you know seven more songs before as if you weren't ubiquitous already. You're just it's like you're gonNA be all over the place I know for a long time because eight. It's been like six months between devout and white rabbit. which was a little bit long for me? But I'm glad glad that we finally have a new song out. 'cause you want something to kind of like be able to portion promote in you want pick up momentum building that's such an important important thing to do but just seeing how everyone reacted dropped playing because I obviously have more uh of a following than I did when I think I had like you know a very small falling because I only had one song. What everybody you start somewhere anyway and so now it was like you know it was like just this huge influx of people posting on their stories? You know go check out white rabbit and it was just the most amazing thing to see how many people care it was just like holy cow like Arab people. Oh Really WanNa hear more my music. They're excited for hit there waiting for the next song writing and so it's such a beautiful thing Realizing that and I really WanNa you know there's always that balance to be found How between doing what you love but also giving the fans enough and giving them something they both you and them love? And so I've you know. been trying to find that perfect balance between everything and I definitely think that you know. It's so great that we now have have this whole deal with a subsidiary of Sony like salt solidified so that we can get music out faster. I'm now that that's also by the waiting. Game is kind of over and and just as everything finished up we can just really say you know what I mean. So it's interesting. You said something about you know about giving you know making something that you want and then also something fans what's interesting is. Do we ever really know put it. We know that right now. People are operating on enjoying stuff. That's just being given to them that they're told that they they should be moving in a direction towards this direction or that direction A lot of companies out there trying to spend time trying to figure out what. What does the audience want or something? What's interesting and what? Oh I think is so beautiful. Is the idea that the more that an artist eases into their own perspective especially you coming from a place of source which touches every single person anyway Like the the Bob Dylan to the world. The you know these people who are creating a music creating and not even realizing the effect of the people in Laurel Canyon for instance all that beautiful music you know. They're living up in these communities with nature and they're in seeking about harmony and love and all that great stuff and the neck was out there on the airwaves and it's almost like you never know. Sometimes we've never know what people will dig or we're not big until we actually go forward. The good news is is that no matter what those who really resonate with. We'll we'll be brought to remember what what you know. I I kind of I make the music that I want to gear realized you know. I wish that you would write about this stuff. Unlike instead of wishing eight and why not just do the dust. Yeah makes the art that you want to see in the world. That's kind of what I've been doing. You know just talking about you know all these subjects like manifestation God like even you know via Colefax stuff. I'm always I wish more people would just talk about this because there's such like a community whose mind is open to all this stuff existing and they're not curious about it in a lot of their music they're just hearing about you know the cars and designing roads and everything and it's not hanging fruit very lowest common denominator stimulating emotionally or mentally. I in I just want people to really be able to like feel when they listen to my music weather. It's like feeling like like very in touch with God or feeling like they're excited to have like a fun day or like you know I just WanNa put them in. You know whatever emotions they wanna be feeling his his back. The power of music is I know vibrational level that you get to decide where you tuned to having so choosing to listen to Assam like upbeat uplifting it puts you on that level And that goes for obviously every artists stuff not just. I'm not like you. You know my music is the only time that you know has disability every literally every Song out there. Is You know vibrating at a certain frequency And how it makes you feel is a really good indicator of whether it's high frequency euro over good seen what's interesting is that Off with things like spotify people can stumble into your music accidentally which is a beautiful thing. Because it's like you know they'll say oh well if you like. This song automatically attached to something that sounds similar in discover weekly algorithm. I love that because I thought like a decent amount of new listeners. From discover weekly. And it's issue spend spend the coolest thing getting the messages of people being like. Hey like I really liked the song for non discover weekly and then I listened to all your other stuff and it's so cool. They have the software to analyze all the staff. And say like okay. This person likes these artists so if they like these artists and we're gonNA recommend this song. Yeah it's really neat and gives it gives smaller artists. You know more power. Our as long as they're getting the kind of the saves in the playlets like as long as you know the you know as long as Joe Schmo in you know Jane Doe are like liking it and playlists thing. They're taking note of it and it doesn't it doesn't matter anymore whether some like big executive is saying this is the girl I love it. Yes yes the people and if the people like it then the Algorithm is picking up on the fact that the people are putting out there more so and it's so great to because you're the messages that you're putting into their more more more was seeing on instagram or more we're seeing out there. People are leaning more torch. This people are stumped. People are coming across more more this idea manifestation. I see all the time and you know people putting inspiring quotes and for you to be putting out that kind of music. It's it's just falling right in the place that just a perfect time without you even trying to preconceived affected connected that the audience would eventually no matter what the audience eventually kind of catches up with. Maybe not at the point that we're at right at this very second but they will catch up with something that we did in the past and there is that potential catching up with being right there at the forefront lot of times you know you know it's like throwing the messages in a bottle out there you know in these people are finding these messages washing on their shores and go. ooh ooh. That's a great message right there. That's me traditional. Let's what are what's all the rest of this all the rest of this and the message that you're putting out there it's going to reverberate with people in such a unique way that it still contains three music and and what you're putting in there is something that is going to benefit them far beyond just that it's like the difference between a pop song and he's song that it is a cult favorite kind of you know like Leonard. Cohen's Bob Dylan's who survived throughout the ages residents pop songs served on the radio. Okay one or two months. Three months off in there goes every. But it's the ones that really striking in the heart. Beat just keep playing over. Exactly thank you my friend and I three entrepreneur. We always talk about how as songwriters. It's so important for people to have a real sense of Selm like if you don't know yourself it's really hard to write from your perspective. It's unique and I think that's why there's a lot of songs on the radio that are like slow generic merrick rather than seeing like. Oh this is someone sore. But they're showing to you. It just feels like you know this is this could apply to Cilicia. Anyone in birther is a market for that. You know the songs that apply to link literally anyone but then they're the people that just want to like experience You know the artists soil. And I think a lot of people do want. Yeah I mean this is why like when we look at reality. TV when people who get subscriptions to big brother they can peer in on what these people are doing. Twenty twenty hours a day. There's this fascination wanting to peek in on other people's lives in their particular perspective give and the more unapologetic sentence the interesting thing. The more unapologetic the artist is in carving the path that they want to create the more the audience then sort of appreciates that reveres then you know and it and it can be done without having to shop and he. You know. you don't have to force your way in there with shock you. Can you know seek your way near through Subatomic subatomic particles through the goodbyes. That are out there and I love with dictators stirring all the call draining music. It's so cool. Yeah no I'm I'm so excited to see everything that happens this year to see how everyone likes the songs releasing their like so many of them. So I'm just pumps bread. It's been really won't be able to create like this in having people actually listen to it. It's been the most rewarding experience on this really really. How many how many songs would you say that you have that have yet to be released or the knows her? So we have those seven that were releasing this year Three off of the next project. We don't know if that's going to be like singles if it that's going to be on an album and bill to another EP EH. Although I think I want my next thing I think I want it to be in Albany but yeah we we have so we have to pay those seven three so we have ten Eleven then I have my one burbs herbs and it's probably like at least sixteen So many so many. Do you feel that. There's something you're waiting for in order to release Stowe's or why why for a while. It was just because we are waiting for her visit city area. So you know that's the the five You know we just gave everything to them and then like twenty nine days after so yeah so now. There isn't any more now. We have this ability to really just get it out there credible early quick cricket you consider a month incredibly instantaneous like in this day and age. That's we have so much power her artists now. I love it disliked our. That's in our hands now. It's amazing we don't have to beg for some big giant. Some mobile to take notice of us. They take notice because you senior carving your own path. That's the crazy thing it's like you're doing your own thing as a funny thing and people peer in and they want to see what's going on over there when you're over here working on something but if your show now what I'm doing now like Oh God please wait. You're just don't look at commodity leaves. If you're you're working on something people can't help but want and what's going on over there. I know exactly like I think a really good example of that is Giradi. He's a rapper and he's like twenty Johny newsroom content against like. He's just so like focused on his craft. He's like always working in. Just the most interesting flows like you. Listen to this stuff and you're like wait. This is different and I've you know I don't listen to a ton of rap but what I've pulled processed of great different. I really think he's going to be huge because taes he's just different in like a really cool way Via the support of all of Compton. And that's how he literally took gough continent behind him and so people took note of that. He's getting so many streams just because the people in his neighborhood are enjoying what he's doing and that's also you know why it's so important to realize the power community and adding people behind you in realising your fans are so boring who listeners so important people supporting are so important and so you gotta be grateful for them and I see you know I see so hard I slip grateful for the fans and ledges such a bizarre thing. Cabbie says there were no fans. There'd be no one listening to it and they're able to make a living. We'll be able to do anything. And so it's like literally got appreciate your Fan It's it's a mutual relationship it really is like you. They hey you give them your art and they give you support and love and it's a really neat thing. 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I had to post these diaries privately absolutely and then translated Texas speech but this is because facebook put me in a digital prison to facebook and all the way to the AW ooh Job forever facebook. It is now six thirty six and you go. You're welcome six thirty six. PM Today is Tuesday the seventh. I'm heading up to Sunland Sun space faced tonight. For unusual Tuesday's Craig's vivid will not be joining me This is a solo mission. So I think on on the way up there tonight I'll be taking two buses and away backup. You take an uber. So keep your ears peeled for a an interview. Was Uber driver later. So we're going to unusual usual Tuesday's tonight. I sent them a message on facebook earlier to see how they would feel about screening my latest short film and they said yes so. I'm very excited to see how that how that appears on their on their projector later how the sound is going to try to get up a little bit earlier. The Shenanigans don't usually start till around niner they usually start around niner liner. But I like to I mission is to get up there earlier so that way we can take a look at the sounds. Dial in the sound. See if it's too loud if it's good good good amount all the Chaz. I'm bringing the file on a flash drive or some called the thumb drive because it's the size of most people's thumbs use wikipedia states that thumb drives are the the exact size named after the human thumb. The in fact I was just say the human thumb the average human thumb so they've figured out flash drives the scene seem amount same size the thumb scenario. Just they just go. You know what let's just call it the thumb drive save an animal. Save us a lot of data. Just save us a lot of explanation. That'll be obvious. And that's you know that's just a little something we don't even have to talk. Talk much about a comment about in the press. So that's why it's called the thumb drive so I have a thumb drive in mytalk it getting a lot of comments is that is that a thumb in your pocket or are you just happy happy to see me so I get a a lot of that type of interaction ever since I put some drive into my pocket. So what I'll do tonight is I'll give that to the guys. Whoever who whoever is in charge of of the projector to project their master? I'll give it to the projector master and we'll let him figure out what the proper dimensions are. All that jazz. I gotta say on this APP I've been using to edit. I've been using being just for the past well six or seven. IGT videos that. I've created Those have been done on my on my phone in a an editing APP code video leap now. The tricky thing about it the the the interesting thing to take into consideration with this is that The crazy thing to take consideration is that some of the videos that are shut our were they calm portrait mode. Yeah portrait landscape. Okay okay so you do this stuff in portrait mode any you think that it would fit just fine with the landscape mode. It's just just you know it. Just let's see. How do I put it if you if you try to mix landscape videos with breath the portrait videos? It makes it really. I don't even know how to truly explain it but it's like you could okay. So for instance It kind of basis. What it's GonNa do whatever that I Video format is For the lack of a better way of explaining gleaning this so let's say for instance. You have a portrait mode video straight up and down and you got that up on a big screen but then let's see let's see how to explain it then but then if you bring in some landscape landscape videos It all edits to do what the previous portrait thing was. I if that makes sense I don't I don't even know if that even makes sense So it's it's all just a very very strange thing. I I wish I could even truly explain it but it's nothing that I I can totally explain Because I mean if I were to put it this way now if you were to take the If you're to take the Landscape video and he put that first and then you try put in portrait modes It's IT'S GONNA come out exactly how to say it but it becomes out like strangely tiny so it doesn't figure it doesn't totally take up the screen but then we take it and then let's say if you take your video into This new APP that I'm going crazy for clips that seems to edit it like a square and I noticed just it when I play the actual video on my computer. Just all by itself is a bunch of dark space around it. There's a budget dark space mm-hmm so we'll see we'll see we'll see how it all works. I know that there is someone out there who's listening right now knows exactly what I'm talking about an knows. The solution in probably uses the F video leap quite frequently and knows how to explain to me. The curious State of being that. We we find ourselves in the conundrum with editing on this program almost Guy Tugwell medical marijuana of your It's still very intriguing so very intriguing. You're listening to me. I bed going Monday. Heck I'm listening to you complain about all this all this jargon all this computer jargon will. I don't know about you but I find it actually strangely fascinating eating. When I listen to people talk very intricately Within the lexicon and arenas of interest that they have explored so when when when I listened to folks talking about that stuff. It's it's interesting because it's teaching me. Something new it's actually kind of hypnotic because especially if I have no frame of reference for it I remember one time I a thriving real smart. This is this is during the time when the Large Hadron collider was. They're doing a lot of tests now that they're not still doing tests but this was in the news. Is it a lot of tests. Were going on in there and they they were trying to do the big bang. Basically Big Bang. They're trying to They're trying to make a mini. Black hole is what they're trying to do. And so the L. H. C. Large Hadron Collider slider was in the news a lot. And so this ars recommended insurable. Ride welcome regulars. There is one seventy year Medicare bring. There were different so oh I thought I would mention too Steward and only old family friend of of the family of old friend of the family he works for for me lab lab Fermilab of all places I decided to tell him to talk about the large Hadron collider and he starts coming back with all of this crazy crazy science. Talk that I was just not prepared to talk to him about this man. Holy Moly he was just Chris. Paul last minute blast an. I just went into a days. Just weren't zoned out. And there was just became hypnotic thing. So ideally really my travels and travails are doing the same for you as you hear. I'm on the bus now so I'm going to hang up for now and most likely the next time we'll be talking at Sunland says right. Take Care Now waiting for my second bus should be here in about ten minutes. If you'RE GONNA go up and get a TACO Taco place nearby they don't have any tacos too so you know. How do they do empanadas? I've gained gained a whole new appreciation for empanadas. Oh so delicious. So the I hate about Eighteen minutes or so so I went over. There had a couple of very nice. Warm and bananas ran across the street to liquor. Store grabbed a little tiny schmear off of vodka. Thing got that and I got a bottle of water right here. Chubby drinking as I'm waiting for the waiting for nine minutes here nine minutes. Have you seen rising skywalker yet. I think it's great title for movie. Rise skywalker makes you wonder okay. WHO's Skywalker what's GonNa Happen here? Fun Twist the fun twist. Well this imagine there being someone like J.J. Abrams where you have both Star Trek and star our wars some that you did so someone thought you did so good at this particular thing that they'd have you do this thing. Oh by the way Christian Bale AOL. There's this idea that Christian Bale might play Characters at O Beta Ray Bill. I think that's the name it's got like a horse head. He has to do with or in some way. It looks Mike Thorne actually horseface anyone Christa. Bailey Played Guy What's interesting to me is that Hollywood continues to cast people in other superhero roles? So Ben Affleck who played in a sense superman. There's superman movie it was Reeve George Reeve So he played superman so to speak and then he ends up playing Batman Band Tommy that he played daredevil since pretty cool. Isn't it to know you worked for both career. Double D C and then Ryan Reynolds played green lantern and deadpool. Then Oh Josh Brolin played This cowboy guy like a cowboy marvel comic book guy like half his mouth missing or something His name escapes me but he played that guy and then he played thanos. Oh Andy played and he played another COMPLEL- dude there's a movie with cable and right. Oh in Deadpool deadpool two. She played the bad guy in that. It's so interesting me just give someone else a chance. You know what's his name played johnny blaze or Johnny Fire. What's his name from from a fantastic four for the fire? Dude I wanna see Johnny blaze but I think Johnny blaze's name the guy who does ghost rider ghost rider the guy. Oh my God. I think I was watching. Someone get into Lamborghini. They got the delorean doors on everything. Yeah that's Lamborghini. The only other car that I know of that has doors like delorean is Lamborghini and there. It is right there that that is only Los Angeles isn't isn't it crazy. I don't WanNa say only Los Angeles. That's just a recycled thing. I've heard people say there are a lot of. There are a lot of Bam guineas in Los Dangerous that is for sure but the question is is that Lamborghini. I've never been someone who claimed to know his to know his car's God is funny. These two cars a lady in the Lamborghini are totally knows the guy who's in this other blue car. Are you ready to stop light. It's totally know each other. It's crazy it's crazy while now let's check out the let's at six o'clock six six bits of asked we got we got Amish she got left here sunland. Where are we where are we five minutes and five minutes? So what are your thoughts. What are your thoughts about these superhero films? What are your thoughts about superheroes playing other Super Heroes Villains playing other villains now that Joaquin Phoenix did a joker or nappy interesting. If suddenly then they end up getting him to be a superhero hero. Guy In marvel Joaquin Phoenix. Silver Surfer Something to think about some Dan saying okay folks. We're going to sign off now when I come back it'll be more time in the future for you. Well for me. But feuds like split second so I'll be back. I'll be back before you know it. WHOA I'm John You mean excuse into what I'm going to ask you to so I'm GonNa put what you look inside this okay mm-hmm let's watch now the teens all of t the grand it and see what theories colorful worms inside your own and the words are starting thirty two to four. That's going to answer the question. What here's Larry Surrey? uh-huh let's say. I can trust them tonight talking about In order to all The I curse Three spiring against me this already story. What no watch ya a high it? uh-huh yeah that's just the way it's supposed to go off. You know what I want to salute it. Everybody in the home MHM place for being. There's there's plenty of other things you could choose chose to such space at the intersection. We reword all happens every Tuesday Nixon. We'll discuss the real quick because over the Answers yeah so as I record this The date is Thursday. A the ninth. It's one forty five PM. And here's the story what happened with the screening I got sick so I Do you want. I don't know if I should should tell you the what happened or just a nice version. Nice version is I got sick. Went home and it was nancy screening The hidden version of this. Let this be a lesson to all of you. Who Don't drink that often i? I really don't drink that often but I wanted to celebrate but it'd be fun so earlier in the day I got a show. Shila says about an hour before it went up drinking oh so delicious so delicious and took the train or the bus took the first bus and I hit about a twenty minute. Wait so I went over to this place. I had to empanadas delicious. I went over to Then I thought you know what the Heck I'll see if there's maybe you'll get a fireball. I usually like drinking a fireball. You know just one of those me gets me right on. Gets me where I any were likes to be. I was just joking myself about the idea of taking the off to such a funny phrase me. Let's just take the edge off so speaking of edge off. I got people standing up here on roofs around me. We're standing near the edge is guys are installing this big metal thing on top. Looks like something from the old Danger Mr Robinson an danger will robinson danger like that. Looks like they're kind of robot. There's a lot of really interesting tentacles tentacles but it does look like some kind of really interesting octopus right now. I'm GONNA I will take a photo that so so what happened was they didn't have fireable. Also ahead a vodka and then I stopped seven eleven it then. The bus came around eight. My food bus came around pick-me-up took me up. The five stops that I needed to be dropped off at Sunland whitland right over there on the job Uh Shadow Hills Sunland and I thought okay I know they got fireball. And I wasn't feeling the buzz. I wasn't feeling feeling the effects of anything so I went in there and I got two fireballs and I brought the fireballs over with me did a shot. Didn't I did both the shots there. So I was like two performers away from seeing my And I started this drinking seven. You know carry. I'll tell you this okay. So maybe I just. I didn't have enough food my stomach but felt pretty sick while sitting there waiting and I went outside right through up someplace the place I just I just threw up out there near one of those Electrical electrical boxes. I threw up right there. There are people walking past everything. I did not feel good. I got the Uber Went all the way home now. The interesting thing was last night night yesterday. I saw once upon a time in Hollywood which is phenomenal. Well I just want to say this. Why is I suppose? We people tend to like to tell each other their stories of when they're drunk. Why did I choose to tell you that story when I was drunk opposed to the story of just going? You know what I got sick and I went home left it at that. What what was it inside of me? That possessed me to tell you that story of Wagga Trunk. What is that what is it what is it was that the ego was a way if we wanted to say look? I'm vulnerable. Look how vulnerable vulnerable. I am Tilles. I'm GonNa tell you how I made some drinking mistakes in here you go. What was my motivation? Really to tell a good story ultimately I think that's what it is to tell funds story to take the audience. It's on a ramp because the stories that we're telling our innocence stories that were offering people the opportunity to live vicariously through. We're offering offering them the opportunity to hop on the magic carpet ride with us and if they WANNA hang on they can hear the story and they can enjoy what what's coming up. mckearney was phenomenal storyteller and I preferred not knowing whether the story's who's telling me were true or not. I like the mystery. Mr Was a lot of fun to me. Because you never knew never knew it was coming up. You never knew you know you never fessed up so just very interesting. But it's funny. HOW WE WANNA? We tend to want to tell our stories of how you're drunk. Whatever so yesterday I decided to watch once upon a time in Hollywood and It's what's so crazy about this is that there's like there's a fractional to this in N.. Eventually I'm going to get to this Guy Cole okay. Once upon a time in Hollywood I could say a whole bunch about that movie. I could say a whole bunch about that movie. The one thing I will say is if you go to my instagram account. which by the way? There are more and more of you following over from the podcasts to instagram. Because which thank you for. Thank you for that. It's awesome to connect with you guys on there. I love it. I love it. If you found me from anchor and you start following me on instagram. Please let me know. Let me know what's collaborate in some way collaborate in some way so I have a lot I could say about a once upon a time. A Hollywood Within the movie is what I want to say and I posted this on my instagram within in the movie. There's a cover of mad magazine as you know they do parodies Movies magazine a cover of them Spoofing his movie there he did within within once upon a time was a bounty law than what it was called as a TV show. I think it was so they did it. It was funny really clever. And then I realized while debt actual cover came out in the mad magazine that came out during that time that once upon a time in kill what spending time in Hollywood was actually coming around a crazy as their only think about that just beautiful so he shot a movie of the television with the cover on it and then over to my to me opening up the Opening up the magazine. It's really cool. Lot of synchronicity. Synchronicity and Just been happening lately so then I decided I want. I'm in the mood for seeing old movies old cinema so the first thing that popped in my bring was sunset boulevard. Now that's that's David Lynch's favorite movies and I can totally see why a number of reasons in their way. I can imagine David Lynch being inspired by this film. For instance the whole story with the monkey just brilliant speak question mark big question mark so I watched that in in within is her. Name's Norma Desmond. What's interesting because David Lynch named his character into Peaks Norma Desmond and on top of that? There's there's a guy within since boulevard that Norma Desmond says that Called her while she's at paramount. Says a man named Gordon cold called her so it's interesting in two peak season three. This is something that helps Dougie it come to life. was on the TV show. Sunset over designed was on Desmond. Whose Desmond No not Norma Desmond Jennings Jennings is an agent Desmond Agent Desmond from fire? Walk with me. That's where it comes from. Oh Yeah Wow that you norma jennings of achieve borrows her first name for their so anyway anyway. Gordon Cole is one of the characters within twin when pigs within sunset boulevard and I end up checking on my facebook and there's a message from knoll from sun space because apparently they still screened movie. Even though I wasn't there I brought it over a thumb drive and they're able to transfer to their computer. They were just GonNa Plate right off the thumb drive than they transferred computer. So it was cool is right. There is there in repossession. I had to leave. Apparently they played it now. Guy Name Cole is at a guy named Cole. Got Hold of me. They gave me a phone number so I contacted. That guy left a message for members to see what the Heck Dad's all about also getting Bryce from Canada Has Been trying to contact me through the CAPELLE phone line. So I think what I'm GonNa do is I'm going to try to call him to the spreader project. Oh hotline number so my phone numbers still protected and see what the deal is see. What's going on with this guy? What does he want? What does he need? What's the what's the deal? What's the deal? What's the deal? So just a very intriguing. Twenty twenty already lookout started already To start right off started. Take a ride off. started a write off right away. It started right away. Kids kids like what's going on here. Look what is happening. What is happening? All right folks I think that's it for this episode. I think I think that's it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for the for the for listening to the synchronicity Razzmatazz all that jazz. Give me a call Five six one two zero with three nine one seven niner. That is the phone line. That's the voicemail toll-free called it up. You could also send me an email. INSPIR- Project O. F. Gmail.com send it off to me. I'll take the audio output right here on a broadcast. I promise I will do it. Okay you take care and keep the inspired fellow win. Oh this is black beans. And you're listening to Inspir- auto project Oh.

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Little Gold Men Essentials: Sunset Boulevard

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Little Gold Men Essentials: Sunset Boulevard

"Enjoyed brilliant. Sound your way on Sonos. Play a movie in your Living Room. A podcast in your bedroom and music in the kitchen then take the sound outside. Tear Garden. Listen to what you want where you want. How you want with Sonos sound system created by you discover more at Sonos DOT com. Hello and welcome to little old men the award season podcast from Vanity Fair. It's such an honor to present this next award the nominees and the Screwed goes here and I can't deny the fact that you like me on the mistake. Who like you guys won best picture? I'm Katie Rich. The deputy editor of Vanity Fair Dot Com. And I'm here with our digital director mycogen. Hey Katie our senior writer Robinson Hi Katie and our chief critic Richard Lawson. Hello we remain at our corentin bunkers. There remained no more movies in theaters. But we have a really good show. We are kicking off. Our men essentials series with sunset boulevard as per overwhelming vote from our twitter followers. And that includes a special interview with Wayne Lawson who Micra I you as his mentor. He was a longtime editor at Vanity. Fair and worked very closely with Gloria Swanson and has some pretty incredible old Hollywood stories to share. But first we want to catch up a little bit on the news. That's going on in the world. Everything in Hollywood is pretty much shut down. But there have been some expected delays on some upcoming award seasons. I think the most noteworthy is at the Tonys have been postponed indefinitely. Given that Broadway is still shut down and really unclear when it can reopen. That was kind of the only decision they could have made. But Richard is someone who sees a lot of theater. I imagine. You're as bummed out about this as I am. Well Yeah because you head kind of dispatch me to see a lot of the spring stuff so had gone and gotten on my press tickets. I was GONNA see about three shows a week For about a month Which was really exciting and company and how I learned to drive and all this stuff and now it's all but we were going to do a Tony's episode of the podcast again so you know a minor minor lost in the grand scheme of things but It's scary and I have friends who work in in the theater world and I kind of naively didn't realize because they work you know sort of more like a kind of corporate side of things not like not you know perform or anything but and it's like oh they could all I mean that industry could just completely collapsed in. You know a month like it. It's really it's very tenuous in a way that like you forget how small the margins are on these things and Yeah so that's a pretty pretty distressing I think that the thing will be a couple of shows like Caroline or change the revival at around about Are GonNA come back in. The in. The fall are going to actually open in the fall because they you know. They're out the subscription houses that have a built in ticket buying audience. But I think a lot of the sort of more regularly produced commercial things. I think they're just not going to happen and I think so. I think you know we're just getting all this kind of stuff wiped out Which is going to be a pretty weird blank. Spot on the timeline of theatre. Yeah there's already been Martin mcdonagh's play. Hangman is not going to open it all. I think there's been a couple of other shows. Just announced that they're not coming back at all which is really heartbreaking. But also you imagine like how in the world you make up for this giant absence. When as you say the the margins on Broadway can be so small yeah. I don't know we're never going to get to see Laurie. Metcalf and Rupert Everett in Who'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? That's another one that's not gonNA happen now. I doubt that the company that they got together. You know it'd be brought the British production over with Patti lupone and Had A Katrina. Lenk from Band's visit was GonNa play Bobby lead I Mike Hunches. That's not gonNA happen. I bet the Mary Louise Parker Revival of Alleanza drive. The is not going to happen. You know so it's a it's a weird thing to think about And I think it's also shifting into movies and TV. The theater stuff is an interesting Kind of prophecy. Of what what that's GonNa look like is that we're we're just gonNA run out of things you know. Movies are moving ghostbusters. Move to next year. More jared LETO. Movie moved the next year. Tv production has stopped. We still have plenty of TV kind of in the CAN. But that's GONNA run out so I don't know I think you know I think the the tale of this is going to be long a lot of ways and and and this entertainment world is going to be one of them. Yeah we can talk about the emmys. As being the other thing that shifted. Although a lot less dramatically they are basically pushing the entire time line by about two weeks which feels necessary like he's voting deadline was June first. So they kind of are changing that they're changing the processor which you you know. Campaign for people The Golden Globes have cancelled some of their required schmoozing which is tragic to realize because that's like the heart of the Golden Globes. But honestly when you think about Emmy voting beginning on July second like will things be back to normal enough for that even happen as normal will the the Golden Globes thing that interests me? Is the eligibility changed? They've made ray where they're saying that you know film Kin Premiere on streaming and be eligible for the Golden Globes. If you can show you know a reasonable intention that you plan to put it in the theater right but it's still a breaking down of a door that You know the very awards bodies had been holding firmly shut. In terms of you. Know the whole nut flakes question of like dozen Netflix Mirror hitter. So let's just you know that that might be a one off for this year but it's an interesting erosion of something that we've been talking about for years on this podcast you imagine the Oscars doing everything possible to avoid having to do that. And a lot of maybe like qualifying runs happening in November to run for two weeks just to say that you had a theatrical release. Although I mean it's just it's hard to figure out with the the prestige and all of the stuff. All of the adjusting that goes into having an Oscar Campaign. How not having a theatrical release is going to affect all of that yeah. I'm I'm curious about what you know. Let's just say you know this is under control by mid summer and of course. There's the fear of a resurgence in the fall. So it's hard to plan for the future but let's just say like things start to kind of resume like normal In a couple of months. And then you have no big planned film festivals in the in the early late summer Toronto and telluride in Venice. And all that and then you have all this visit didn't go to Ken. I'm just curious what that pile up will look like if people just kind of get out of the way figure twenty twenty wash or if there will be sort of an almost opportunist kind of seizing on the momentum of people wanting to get back to theaters seeing movies excited about business as usual so I think it could be kind of an interesting pile up there in August and September Or just very quiet. While people just consider this whole year wash it's so depressing to think about the Oscars just being like this playing space. It was just like not enough movies. That came out or non APU is that we're able to get enough audience. It's going to move. Yeah or conversely you know it could be a real time of rallying of like really wanting to celebrate what we do have what we have had what people trying to feel like. We're back to normal in some way so I could see it as a real opportunity for that. I would love to see some creativity I imagine. There's a lot of creativity happening in terms of. How do you make a movie if you can't you know go anywhere? And then and then some creativity in terms of distribution which obviously seeing now already people just saying all right. We can't release this in a theater like sorry. We don't want to undercut are theatrical friends. But and it would be nice if the academy would sort of acknowledge that and if nothing else take a year off from some of the more extreme restrictions on that but yeah it also feels like a a year where there may be an opportunity for something interesting to get rewarded because there won't be as much of the usual Usual fare at great just tweets on the interesting. I think this morning where he was saying I wonder how many filmmakers are going to take advantage or have already taken advantage of the quasi deserted cities around you think about how many films were shot in Detroit over the last years to show like a bunch of horror. Movies are shot in Detroit just to show like just Detroit. Yeah and so like all these. Other cities are empty. I mean like I've been seeing some footage. People are taking of San Francisco there is. There's this one viral video San Francisco in in lockdown of just to Like mounted on horseback policemen riding through the empty streets as Aaron. Cisco that a that someone put the westworld theme song over but like it was just like it's worth but it's you know I you know Edgar was like I wonder how many filmmakers are game edge that he's like I bet a bunch but also a they're gonNa get you know shamed for doing it at the same time so. I don't know be interesting to see so join and Richard. We've all had a little bit of time to get adjusted to our sonos speakers and using to watch things at home and now the Oscar. Season's over we can watch anything. We want so Joanna. What have you been watching with your nose so I actually went back in? After I got my son was I went back and rewatch nineteen seventeen. The almost best picture winner of last year to really fully get the whole experience. I've got a nice screen now. I've got the beautiful sound and it was just as dazzling but even more so now that I could hear everything that was happening. The Foam Richard. How about you? Well I know this is gonNA sound a little low brow but let me just tell you? The golden girls theme song sounds amazing on the phone. And we'll just and I was with some friends This past weekend where I We tend to watch that show when we're together and have some downtime and boy we watched about twelve episodes in a row and all sounded rich and warm had a beautiful timber to it So I was grateful to have the Sonos even for just the golden girls something. I really really appreciate about Sonos. Especially the is the vocal clarity that it has. I don't know if you've experienced this that. Sometimes you're watching a movie and the soundtrack is really loud. Getting old downdraft really loud. And then I can't hear the dialogue. The mixed feels off But with Sonos they. They've got like the vocal clarity. There's a speech enhancement feature and you can just really make sure that you're catching all of that dialogue That's coming whether it be golden girls or You know a film now. I noticed this when I went and watched the Irishman with it after replacing my incredibly old speakers in our basement and getting every word at the GOP's mouth and I talked about this with my previously but at truly someone who lives with an audio engineer nerd who I got the Sonos and when he was like no. You're challenges to do this by yourself. Could set it up by myself you guys which. I don't WanNa Brag. Those are pretty weak accomplished. I'm really proud. I set it up. I got the the true play to tune it and make it sound right for the room so it was a big accomplishment for me on many fronts and I think also the the people some people think these speakers or maybe just for like big loud action movies but I also watched the talented Mr Ripley. Which has this beautiful score. And lots of delicate fully work with peds and all that stuff and it just sounded as Christmas. I remember it sounded when I first saw in the theater so it was exciting. I watched it on my laptop over Oscar weekend and now I wish I was with my Sonos so go to Sonos DOT COM to learn more so for the first week of our little Goldman essential series we put up a poll to our twitter followers and the overwhelming winner like by this crazy margin that I definitely didn't expect was sunset boulevard. I mean maybe we should have expected it because it is one of those like stone cold Hollywood classics that when you think like movies about Hollywood it's going to be in the top three But everyone was really excited for us to watch it. I had seen it before but watching it again. I was like I didn't I definitely didn't know who buster Keaton was when I first saw this so that I wouldn't have known his cameo in that scene So it was basically as if I was seeing it for the first time and guys. It's a really good movie. Did you know that just learned it myself? Was anyone else like watching it. Essentially for the first time I was watching the movie for the first time I'd seen the android Weber musical with Glenn Close When she brought that back a couple of years ago to New York To live theater used to be a thing you go to a big room with a bunch of other people but yeah so I was new to the movie and it's just amazing watching it and I think Mike you had said something like we wouldn't have You Know Catherine Herridge Character. Maura rose on Shits Creek without this. You wouldn't have so many like big actress roles with without this kind of glory wants. Intern IS NORMA DESMOND. It's just so iconic and seeing the birth of that iconography is really fascinating how it comes well before. Whatever happened to baby Jane or God what's No wire hangers? Movie called Mommy Dearest. All of those kind of camp classic performances or even like shares entire career like you think about this being nineteen fifty had a template for like like drag queens like so many things based on this. It was so early. It's such a huge touchstone for everything came after. It's funny after we washed it. I I then watched Tried to wash some like it hot. Which Billy Wilder I think nine hundred fifty nine with Marilyn Monroe and Tony Curtis Jecklin Lemmon and somehow some like it. Hot has not aged as well. I feel like as this lie. Partly because it's a comedy you never instead of shouting and trying to be funny and also the late fifties were not nearly as cool as I think. The early fifties is such an interesting because at that focus room it really feels like the end of the forties. The beginning of the fifties. You can sort of watching it. You can actually see why the fifties seemed like they would be a good idea at the beginning of the fifties like when when Bill Holden escapes to that Party of young people. You're like Oh these people are kind of cool. They're having a good time. You know. Hold around the punchbowl in Cardigan or whatever. So it's I think it's late nor right. I mean the forties. Were kind of a nor time but it just is so beautifully perfectly done. The writing of it is is incredible and then obviously Gloria Swanson. Just you know embodying. I think on an offer camera everything that was both amazing and probably needed to go away about the silent era that she that she represents. Yeah it's interesting. I I watched this film In school like as part of a long film studies course and we had already studied like Eric von Stroheim and we had studied Buster Keaton. We'd studied like all the things Anglers Johnson and all the things that came before it so I have never watched this without like sort of an academic I on it and I'm so curious to know what the experience is like for people because I know a lot of our listeners. Like just love this movie because it's a great movie. It's so fun ended. And it's I think the thing that I had forgotten about. It is how funny it is occasionally. It's like you know that Billy Wilder wit Is there a lot of bill? Holden's lines but as a relic or documents of of Hollywood in Hollywood I like is the first instance of Hollywood really turning its knives on itself in such a meaningful way and it probably not but like the idea that like Hollywood is still so young when this movie is made that the idea of fading stardom is still like such a new a newish concept I think or maybe that's naive I don't know yeah. No it's an interesting look at you know th that industry was just old enough to have relics you and I love that line toward the beginning. Where holden is like talking about the mansion that she lives in and he says the? It's the kind that crazy movie people built in the crazy twenties. And sort of like you know Hollywood. That point had a twenty five year or two you know twenty or removed from that and and and so had this kind of perspective on the industry that had been already just like it just really interesting watching that sort of kind of almost like myth making start to happen around. Hollywood and stardom and all that stuff But I so. I think you're right that this is one of the earlier. Certainly one of the biggest early ones To See to be sort of. Meta and self-critical. Yeah you think about the fact that it came out two years before singing in the rain which is not nearly so cynical about the whole thing or I think four years before a star is born. The Judy Garland version. Although of course there had been in nineteen thirties version. Which I think is a little bit cynical about the industry but I think billy wilder has made me in a position where he was like in the club enough that he could kind of Poke his way into it. You know he'd made double indemnity six years earlier which is kind of one of the most like classic. Noirs that exist. And it's you know it's there's affection in it too. Like I think when you get the sessile beat mill scenes and he is he's warm paternal figure and you see him. Just trying to be so kind norma desmond even though she's just impossible to deal with But it's it's it's so unsparing at the same time and the tone of it in the end is so grim for the you know the status of all of these living legends who the industry had completely moved on from. And we don't have. There's no modern cognate silent stars being completely undone by the changes. There's there's ways that stars can and can't adapt now but that was such a monumental shift that ended so many careers I love when she just says we didn't need words. We almost half the time at least is doing that. Face neck arched back is I mean. Her eyes are just absolutely incredible but I love that scene. Where she goes to see. Cecil is trying to be kind. And all of the it's the crew you know it starts with Hawkeye up in the rafters turning a light. Let's let's get a look at. Ya and then they all come around. I mean it's incredibly moving and the film. I feel like it is that classic sort of the knives are out but so is the heavy duty myth making machinery right and and it really sort of constantly. You're going back and forth between cynicism and I don't gooey center about what's sympathy. Yeah yes Well Yeah I think that's that is kind of one of the ways that it has a sort of Queer sensibility. Which is like that can't be thing is making fun. But also the duration at the same time you know And just just to think about how much how much that's been apes. Since the two things I kept thinking about watching specifically Swanson in in the role was You would never have had madeline Kahn. Bride of Frankenstein Like that's such a thing but also you wouldn't have had Eddie Redman in the Danish girl I don't think sending inch it's such like a a almost like starter kit of a certain kind of film performance that has continued for seventy or cents. It's really it's really remarkable. The thing that I find fascinating looking back at its Oscar trajectory. You know you watch it. You're like wow it only won three Oscars like what the hell happened is because it came out the same year is all about eve which is crazy. The fact that you've got this performance Gloria Swanson going up against Bette Davis and Mbacke all about eve and they both lost a Judy Holliday. Born yesterday we've never seen But it is fascinating year of dueling movies about show business and also tells you why partly I'm fascinated by Oscar. History is that you know a movie can be unjustly snubbed by the KADEMI quote unquote. But it's all about the context of what it was up against and in that year it was up against another slam dunk masterpiece. Yeah stuff and like I. It's it's interesting to me. You talk about that sympathy. What I really like is or or even Mike saying this ages pretty well like I was watching it sort of sort of wincing the whole time it like. How mean is this moving in a B. to this woman and like I really liked the line where beholden leg. There's nothing wrong with being fifty as long as you don't act like you're twenty five and I'm like okay miss an aging. It's like all the other stuff that she's doing with it okay. That's all right then. I'm for this to talk about the Asia's too. Because first of all they're treating her like she's one hundred seventy five years old five years older than me you know which personally. I'm just like man. Where's your mansion? Miami you got to work and then Bill Holden's twenty thirty one and then Nancy Olson was twenty two. And they're all sort of playing their actual ages like it's sort of because of course. I'm like IMDB all right. What is the age span and they they actually kinda copped to the mall's not not pretending she seventy she's fifty but she is a relic from another age. She was in her prime when she was in her. Twenty s but it is kind of horrifying to think about how over the hill one could be considered at at age fifty sixty seventy years ago versus at least now. There are examples of people. You know breaking that and not giving into it. Many Jennifer Lopez is now. Yeah Jennifer Lopez has had to. You know she's worked harder than any human alive. He's also maybe she's not she's not a model for me at least accomplish it but it is. It's sad how it's like. It's just unthinkable for her to come back. Of course the real. Gory does come back in the film. But it's like everyone's just kind of like. Oh this sad delusional dream that will never happen and clearly partly because she had turned into a huge diva and was a pain in the ass but partly because it was just like it's done. The book is closed. And I think some of the extremity of that. I mean the way that this is almost like a dracula movie like like that. I think that the film is Riley aware of that. It knows obviously that like it's insane that a woman of fifty years old should be like kept up in a in a dark mansion and shunned by the world's you know movies certainly knows that's ridiculous ball also acknowledging that at the time and for many years after was the reality as well so I like that kind of you know self aware kind of thing because otherwise it would be. I think a weird you know artifact of a different Arab did it just feels so onto its own kind of wavelength. That that It it feels that sort of timeless. Because it's just it's so aware of of of what it is and wended is one has to do with like there's lots of other people who worked with. Who are who are still working. That's why the scene works when she goes to sesame set. Starting Braille. Really specifically about stardom and the brutality of fame. Right like the give and take it away. That's that's clearly like part of what this is. All about the the fash the viciousness of fashions coming and going and then mix it with technological change which I feel like we can relate to the technological change side of it even though that particular one is not relevant whatever what a good shelter in place maybe says dance on your floor that tyrod whoever band though. Must Martin O. Heim is so good in this movie. And it's good and it's such an interesting I for this Project I dug out my old film History Textbook And I was reading up on Eric von Stroheim and like the last big movie he did as a director was a glorious. Wants a movie Queen Kelly so like that's they got her older actor you know. I mean I knew he was a director. I didn't know he was like glorious. Wants instructor preview a little bit. We're going to call Wayne loss in my old boss at Vanity. Fair who edited and heavily was involved in the writing of Glorious. Watson's autobiography Swanson on Swanson and he has some good background on that relationship between Eric von Stroheim and Goriest wants and that includes Joe Kennedy. The father of JFK and RFK. Who had an affair with glorious? I'm just teasing it. But a political twist. Yeah no it's it's interesting like the Hollywood cameos could be. Cringing often are cringe. But they're all perfect. I think in this film like from Cecil B Demille too. I mean Funster Cameo in. He's doing like a full role. Buster Keaton Etcetera hedda hopper hopper was willing to like play herself as a monster is part of this film using incredible. Honestly I having seen. Was it hitchcock where Helen Mirren Place Hopper. No trump no. I didn't really know that much about what had hopper really talk lake or even Tilda Swinton Rolling Hail. Caesar I was like. Oh Wow they were really ailing it. Like that is yeah. I was watching a something about the kind of evolution of American accents. About how this that kind of mid Atlantic quote unquote thing was entirely up by Hollywood like that. No one in America spoke like that and you know just so interesting I don't know I think that Realizing where all of these kind of tropes came from is yet another reason to watch things you know made before nineteen seventy we yeah the Katherine Hepburn like Bryn Mawr accent. And then they'll make the cary grant leg. I think was was born like lower class British and like comes over and does this whatever this thing that he does and then all of a sudden like people watching old movies or like. We always talk this way. And it's like no journalist in Hollywood and my my husband who doesn't really watch a lot of old movies was kind of watching parts of this with me and you see the scenes where Gloria Swanson and William Holden and talking to each other. And they're doing two completely different eras of stylized Hollywood talking and so that's where the movie really takes off for me is when they're for. They have their first conversation. You're like they're talking from different planets like they are on totally different planes of existence and watching those two things exist in the same thing. It's completely thrilling. And I think if you don't know a lot about old movies it's really interesting place to start being like well. Here was one version of it that she started. And then Hollywood had evolved by then like the history before. Nineteen Eighty is pretty complicated. It turns out and I just love the semi hacky but really funny and great narration. That will hold and does from the dead and you know from the beginning. This is like the screen like a semi failed screenwriters version of his own death narrative. I mean it really is. It's very bold and brilliant and it just I just found myself just like laughing through the whole thing but not not with it. You know just kind of awe really at so much of what they do right down to the last scene of Gloria coming down that down that staircase of Norma Desmond coming down that staircase. You just think this is like couldn't be better. It's pure pure genius. That shot this beautiful weird like almost theater. Art Shot where the men are standing almost entirely. Still and she's walking down. It's really kind of presentational and a fascinating. I also think it's interesting the way that culture remembers thing. It's not I'm ready for my closeup. Mr Demille it's Mr Demille I'm ready for my closeup. You ended up the small difference but yeah exactly. Yeah the narration in Double Indemnity. I imagine we've all seen it but it's a similarly like gigantic And kind of funny but then it totally sucks you in. And I think I've seen that. The real number enroll of screening is never have a dead person the narrator unless you're sunset boulevard. It's like the only time ever Raymond Chandler probably should've had royalties on all of it. I guess he he invented it right. But but it's just it's such a fun style like the young people in it represent that this kind of optimistic Chirpy Group of people who anyway would make the fifties for better or worse. Yes very post war. I mean you think about how some unlike Norma Desmond could have disappeared because for five years. They're everyone's head was turned into a completely different direction. And then she just kind of rotted away her mansion. You know And now everyone's kind of flooding back. The town is the town was operating throughout the war. Obviously too but like you know it just it just has that feeling of newness which nicely offsets Her relatives decrepitude. I just found myself sitting there. Wondering what direction billy wilder was given. Maybe Wayne we'll have some insight into this but was giving gorgeous Swanson because she's like you know it's it's it's an incredibly sympathetic role performance but also self parody to a degree. You know so that like that moment where she takes the whatever a beauty patches offer face whatever. They're doing healing her wrinkles. I don't know And she gives herself that look in the mirror right before she goes into talked him at the end and unlike what did billy wilder say to her in terms of like what what looks to be pulling here and I you know to be a fly. On that wall would mazing. It feels like glorious Monson and had a hopper were sort of in the same boat of being in on the joke enough to show up and do the movie but also really invested in their image and confident that it's a great image and that people loved it and that's why they had a special life right. I feel like people like that in Hollywood. Now we know those people yes we do so join and Richard. We've all had a little bit of time to get to our sonos speakers and using to watch things at home and now the Oscar season is over. We can watch anything. We want so Joanna. What have you been watching with your Sonos so I actually went back in? After I got my son. I went back and rewatch nineteen seventeen. The almost best picture winner of last year To really fully get the whole experience. I've got a nice screen. Now I've got the beautiful sound and it was just as dazzling but even more so now than I could hear everything that was happening in the film Richard. How about you? Well I know this is gonNA sound a little low brow but let me just tell you? The golden girls theme song sounds amazing on the phone and I was with some friends and This past weekend where I We tend to watch that show. When we're together and have some downtime and boy we watched about. I don't know twelve episodes in a row and also sounded rich and warm had beautiful timber to it So I was grateful to have the Sonos even for just the golden girls. Something I really really appreciate about. Sonos especially is the is the vocal clarity that it has. I don't know if you've experienced this that. Sometimes you're watching a movie and the soundtrack is really loud. Getting old soundtracks really loud. And then I can't hear the dialogue like the mixed feels off but Sonos they. They've got like the vocal clarity. There's a speech enhancement feature and you can just really make sure that you're catching all of that dialogue That's coming whether it be golden girls or You know a film now. I notice this when I went and watched the Irish after replacing my incredibly old speakers in our basement and getting every word at the GOP. She's mouth and I talked about this with my previously but I truly as someone who lives with an audio engineer nerd who got the Sonos and when he was like no. You're challenges to do this by yourself. And could I set it up by myself? You guys which. I don't want to Brag but those are pretty weak accomplished. I'm really proud of you. I said I got the the true platoon it and make it sound right for the room so it was a big accomplishment for me on many fronts and I think also the people some people think these speakers or maybe just for like big loud action movies but I also watched the talented Mr Ripley. Which has this beautiful score. And lots of delicate fully work with mopeds and all that stuff and it just. It sounded as Christmas. I remember when I first saw in the theater so it was exciting. I watched it on my laptop and now I wish I was so go to Sonos DOT COM to learn more all right so we are thrilled to be joined right now. On the telephone on land line by Wayne Lawson my former boss and mentor and friend current friend the longtime executive literary editor of Vanity Fair. Who Knew Gloria Swanson Very? Well what would you say Wayne your contribution to her memoir sponsor on Swanson was you edited it. I've actually wrote the book. Okay I just want to say it. She was still married to her. Fifth husband William but falling quickly out of love with him so that in the course of this producing this book he lived one under their apartment and she lived at the other. There was a go between who was A young English producer for the BBC. And he's done a show of Swanson sculpture in London and she had fallen in love with him. She was eighty. He was forty and at that point she had said what Max and he said the memoirs so he went out sold a contract. GotTA contract from Random House without an agent and they had a year to produce this book. She said to him originally. It won't work because Bill Bill Duffy and I've tried this before and we just couldn't make it work and he said don't worry with me you'll be able to well. After six months. They had one hundred pages. And so Brian. De Guy's name was called me and said would you read this. We're before we give it to random house and so I read it and said you can't get this random house You know you start by saying I was born in eighteen. Ninety nine under the sign of Aries You know it's like an Old Lady's book so he said would you tell that to Gloria Gloria and I met. I think this is the wrong way to go. I would do this as a flashback. You know 'cause I'm assuming that's boulevard is the greatest ever made and you know you've got the greatest comeback story of all time. I would do the whole book. Start with Sunset Boulevard and do the whole book is a flashback. At which point she said She said that was not the greatest moment in my life and I said what was and she said I was the first star ever produce starting my own film in Europe and Mary a nobleman and come back with a with a with a noble title and it was Madame. Sasha and in one thousand nine hundred ninety six or four whatever? It was in In France and that's when she married democracy and came back here and she said they gave me a whole train ride Across the United States when I got when we got to Hollywood with ENRIA NI- everybody in Hollywood is at that station and she said what nobody knew that. I'd had an abortion. You know in France. And that's why I was very ill and my everybody wanted to see me so I said well I would start the book there and do it in two flashbacks which we which is what we wound up. Doing you were kind of in the position of Bill Holden with the giant manuscript of the bad sallie Mae Movie. At the beginning there and it was one hundred page dunk and it was obviously what they had also tried to do earlier But once they had this flashback idea it really worked and so what would happen is. Brian would talk to Gloria about the next year then he would go and work with Bill Duffy. Then Bill Duffy would come up with rough of a chapter. And that's what they had a hundred pages when they once it started over again. We had six months and so that meant chapter a week so Brian would come down with me. This very rough chapter my bill duffy and I would completely rewrite it throw away like eighty percent and call and say look if she had an archivist so she had saved everything. I said I need this and this and this and this and this and then Brian we come back a week later. I would read it to him. He would say that's the word she would never use and okay. Let's change it anyway. So we went through the whole book until she kicked Bill Duffy out about two chapters before the book was finished so the last couple of chapters are completely mine And they'll was out of the scene by the end. She was madly in love with with Brian. There's much younger guy. So yes in fact. It was throwing out entirely their thing and completely rewriting everything he gave us. So what were the? What were her top recollections of Sunset Boulevard? Was it a good experience for her. Was she resentful of the fact that people thought it was the most important thing when actually it was this other thing in the twenty s now she actually knew that this has been you know coming back to live with Gloria Swanson so As she tells it to made she didn't talk about the people who had been. You know this has been offered to other people. Before Charles Bracket the produces office started to call her in nineteen forty eight and so they had said come out. We'd like you to do a screen test. And She was absolutely appalled. I mean she said me screen time she'd been the biggest star in Hollywood. I'm very Pickford for twenty years and she but she hadn't made a movie in Ken and it has been a big bomb. Called Father Takes a wife so she knew that that was something potential there she called. George Kuku they want me to take screen test. George what do I do? And he's a take it He said he's too much talent as men and popular men in Hollywood billy wilder and Charles Bracket they had made last week and double indemnity. I mean they had just a string of hits and so she took the screen test and then comes along. Say about the casting this movie. She was told that she would be doing the screen test with a young actor named Montgomery clift and when she got there they said Mr Cliff. I has another a another commitment. In fact agent had said this would be death for you to make a movie as a Gigolo with an older woman impossible so what Gloria said. But we've got another Young men not as young William Holden As you and so they said come in and let's do a second screen a screen test with him and will make you a little older. They put a grey streak in her hair. He was there he was holding thirty one. She was fifty two. She said. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute You'RE GONNA make me look ten years older She said all of a sudden women in New York all stars and I know when they have like this. I'm the right age fifty not older. She's but I can tell you everything about makeup. We can make Mr Holden look ten years. Yes so they did. They cut his hair. They fixed it is. They did everything to make. William Holden look younger and had nothing of a script. At that point they would finance. They would Come up with with new pages of dialogue every day that glory would take and what she had. No idea was that before she had been offered this they had i. You can imagine the kind of film that this would have been billy wilder. They just had a rough idea of an old burlesque queen getting involved with a much younger man and the originally offered the script to Mae West. Who WAS NOT INTERESTED? They then went to marry Pickford since she was married to a much younger man and had been the biggest star along with Gloria in the nineteen twenties in Hollywood. And pickford read it and said it's just not right for me but this would be perfect for either glorious wants or Poland Niagara The added a great silent vamp star So that's how I got offered it. And between the time of Montgomery clift and William Holden. She also did not know that. Billy Wilder and BRAC offered his first to Fred macmurray then apparently to Marlon Brando. This movie could have actually wound up with Marlon Brando and Mae West as a as a hilarious comedy. They never saw it as a dark film lar and they even offered it. Apparently Gene Kelly. Everybody turned it down. They thought the brand was not a big enough star but they finally got with him and he turned out to be the perfect job. Ls Wow and did you say when we talked yesterday that that it was after Gloria Swanson came in built up her role because originally there was supposed to be a bigger part for the Nancy Olson. Roll especially a much bigger part for the for the The lead the man. Joe Gillis Sh and when this film opened they had a long section of him dead in the swimming pool. His body fished out taken to the morgue. His corpse talking and screening audiences hated it. And that's when Billy Wilder said I have to change this thing completely. He cut all of that out. They got people in for like another day of shooting to shorten that opening to what now is and that's when they found they had a huge hit wile well. Let's talk about Eric Von Stroheim. Because you you had some good background on that didn't you? Glory I connected with Eric Von Stroheim. Yeah this is this is Eric. I'm as he is the other key key figure in this film in. One thousand nine hundred seventy seven when she was the queen of Hollywood. That's when she match. Oh candidate this renegade producer and he took to Gloria immediately and said. Look this is insane. Why are you making so much money for for adult soccer and Cecil B Demille you should you know? Let me take over your company and you will make a fortune. And she's stupidly did that. And so Joseph Kennedy took over her company and although she kept thinking the Chinchilla Coats and the Rolls Royce says and everything. We're coming from him. They were actually. He was taking everything out of her own budget. He almost made glory broke but what he said was. We're GONNA stop making these cheap trashy romance movies. You make with the mill. I'M GONNA get the classiest director from Europe. Here who attaboys Eric? Von Stroheim? A great actor and director who made the most opulent films. You know if somebody wanted to add was had to be wearing a diamond necklace. He insisted there'd be diamonds. He was famous for this for excess luxury And these absolutely gorgeous films and so they brought him to a to America and they started filming. He started filming. Gloria in this movie was originally to be called the swamp. She started out as a sixteen year old convent girl and winds up as a middle aged woman running a string of horror houses in Africa and they shot for days on this thing for weeks and they finally had hours and hours of film but they were nowhere near the end of it and then as I recall the depression struck but by then Gloria was just exasperated. So she wired. Joe Kennedy say the director is insane. What do I do and Joe Kennedy said? We stopped filming. Get rid of him. It's over you know and sound is coming in. We made the biggest mistake by making this a long silent movie so that was the so. They parted very bitterly. Gloria and and Bunn Stroheim then. Now it's thirty years later. And she's in Hollywood making Sunset Boulevard and billy wilder has the genius idea of bringing Eric Von Stroheim in and casting him as one her ex husband and two now her Butler and when I was offered this he said. Are you kidding Butler role? Of course I'm not coming deep Hollywood to do that then. They told him it was Swanson. He came was persuaded and of course. He's brilliant in the film. Now the the great extension of that is that now thirty years later after Sunset Boulevard Stroheim. Who's who still have all the cans of film from making the swamp contacted glory to say Gloria with your permission. This footage is magnificent. So he said I would like to take the early years of this just and make short film and Call I Queen Kelly. Just the period. You're the convent girl and meet the handsome Prince. And Can I do that? And she said yes and so he released that I think in nineteen fifty seven. I saw it in. Europe is ninety fifty eight for the first time and he realized that as Queen Kelly which has ever since been available. And if you have not seen this thing it's amazing because as the sixteen year old girl. Gloria was thirty. And she's just actress have raved about her in this for years. So that was the finale of all of this with Eric. Stroheim was that he wound up actually producing the swamp which they had fallen out over after they work together in sunset boulevard and that footage shows up in sunset. Boulevard doesn't it some of it does where she and Joe Gillis are sitting there. She said we'd watch a film every night usually errors And they're sitting and watching films is fabulous face of her profile surrounded by candles that is footage from Queen Kelly the swamp and that's when she stands up and says there are no faces like that anymore. One maybe Garbo Right now any of the other hosts here have any questions for Wayne while we ask them. What is their moment sunset boulevard that strikes you as the most true to who Gloria actually was in the film? Here we go. This is fascinating one of the first things that go. I would say anybody she met was and I hope you don't think I'm anything like that. Dreadful woman I play in Sunset Boulevard. Between because of course she became tag. Everybody thought she was a seventy year. Old Crazy. Who Doll And therefore she would try to distance yourself from that. She knew that the performance was great but all the roles that she started to be offered for films were as old eccentric. You know outrageous Movie Queens and things like that and so. She tried very much to distance yourself. Oh yeah there are lots of things you know. She was quite curious. I mean we wound up spending like a week together making all the revisions in the book that she wanted and she's cook dinner for us every night. Yeah the the best moments moments when she's most likely or not those things like in the in the car where you on your way to see the bill or the probably the stuff in the studio Once you get very sentimental and and with with mill who was in the movie again who directed all of her great films and Billy Wilder arranged to have them go on the set of Samson and Delilah have demille himself in person there with her but I guess to answer the question she herself is low the idea of being identified in any way with normal that that is the myth that that she was doing was playing herself She was not in the more eccentric a realized she could be fabulous. The more bracket and and billy wilder would rewrite scenes for her and she'd memorize them overnight and do them fresh in the morning On the side. I've been looking through pictures from her life after sunset boulevard where she'd kind of made this incredible comeback there's pictures of her on Johnny Carson. There's pictures of her hanging out with Liza MINNELLI and Andy Warhol I. It sounds like once she had this big comeback she was kind of a big fixture of a New York society until she died in her nineties so she had a long life after this absolute. She's she was eighty when we did the book and what happened after Sunset Boulevard Jose rare was in New York on on Broadway and filming Serrano two pairs rack and he called her to say. Please do a play on Broadway with me. And we'll take it on tour. And so he persuaded her to do twentieth century. That old John Barrymore Carolina's film again and they did it on stage and that restarted her career and they were together the night of the Oscars when she didn't get it and the great rival. Bette Davis got it but she was with Jose. Ferrer that night and say where did get best actor for Cyrano? So but that was the beginning. After that she did several plays on Broadway and she did do twentieth century with with over and then of course he became the Darling Carol Burnett had her on the show. They sang together. They danced together And and of course. He was very much in demand. In one of Andy Warhol's favorite people at home and and fifty four was Gloria. Who was still with Duffy and so I have two pictures of them here. Photographs one of wet Andes of them together but the other the other actors that he absolutely loves his Paul Goddard. But you can imagine those. Those are the kinds of people that Andy was attracted to but but she she yes. She had a she. She had definite life and Everybody was interested in her after sunset. Boulevard they've talked of making a musical of it which of course later and relying porter would make but never gloria. Yes she. She was much more popular. She was what she was very. Glamorous she was this little petite lady all the furniture and they're probably slightly under by the time. I was there and spend time with her. She had kicked William tufty out but she was always impeccably dressed and the night that we finished the book. She said a bakers a drink. I'll I'll even have one. I'll have that green because she would you like some ice cream and I said no. I'd rather drink. So she went and she was gone for like an hour and I thought Oh my God. Glorious Watson has died of heart attack and that we finish our book she later came out. She is completely put on makeup hair beautifully. Done this marvelous beautiful white blouse and black slacks. And she sat down and we had a drink and she said there must be questions that you have you know after all this Anything you WANNA know about Hollywood and the fascinating one that I remember from that and I said at that point. I thought the greatest genius out of Hollywood was Buster Keaton and so I said well buster. Keaton is in the movie and a card game and so on. What was he like? Inglorious response snobbish responses shattered as you said but we never knew him socially Ah The last one hundred sixty coach that Chaplan with my clown thought. Gloria you just lost a hundred points but There where she later signed books for me. She came up with the publishing party and said only you and I know who really wrote this book and she said you are such gentleman not to tell everybody breaking your silence on. We really really got on the. But she was not an easy lady. She watched him wanted deference to be paid. All the time The one of the interesting thing is not on that card game we buster. Keaton is the the other old man that looks like a little old caspar. Milquetoast remember the card parties. H B Warner. He and Gloria had made one of her hottest movies in the twenty s called Zaza and he was also played. Christ in Huge Extravaganza Silent Extravaganza King of kings. Nobody realizes that. But H B Warner every one of these people every rock you pick up. There's incredible life under it when you get to sunset boulevard and mainly through the genius of Billy Wilder who thought to bring lives. That'll be the male Eric von Stroheim and saw it was just once. I got Gloria. They could make everything work. That's amazing well thank you. It's really a serious privilege and pleasure to have you on the show to talk about this. Nobody knows it better so so thank you so much for taking time to talk to US my pleasure but does it for this week's show next week we're going to be continuing our little. Goldman essential series and once again. We're going to be putting it up to a vote to you. Guys'll be on our twitter feed a bull We're bringing back to contenders from last week. Gangs of New York. Which was the runner up to sunset boulevard and midnight cowboy which I think we were all maybe the most enthusiastic about checking out although sensible obviously was great choice and then we're adding two more into the mix singing in the rain another classic behind the scenes of Hollywood movie from the fifties and chariots of fire a best picture winner from the eighties with a great story behind it and the kind of Oscar narratives that we get excited about. So Castro's on twitter and we'll be back talking about one of those next week. In the meantime you can find us all at Vanity Fair Dot Com and on twitter at little Goldman and on our own. I met Katie Rich. And Mike Mike Underscore Hogan and Richard Riley and Mike. I just wanted to say I'm so sorry to hear about your champ. Well you brought the casket for the funeral right. Richard Joanna Gerald this episode was edited and produced by Brett Fuchs. 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Sunset Boulevard

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Sunset Boulevard

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They have funny conversations about what to do from people who've. Been there people who haven't been there. And I think it's a great way to kind of. Celebrate this insane time in your life. When you are on the precipice of creating another human being so listening subscribe to Josie johnner having a baby with you in your podcast app. Right now the year is nineteen fifty and the things people will do not to pay their auto insurance, the movie sunset. Hey, everybody. Welcome to on school d-. I share I and I mean it goes on. And this is the podcast where we watched one film from the AFI's top one hundred greatest films of all time, the two thousand seven edition to see if they are really as good as people say do they hold up, and how have they influenced the films that we watch? Now, amy. I'm so excited to talk about Sunset Boulevard, a classic classic film. Indeed, my good, man. Indeed does a classic. But we should talk about something else. I yes. Because we're gonna actually break out of this one film every episode format for the month of February. Because you know, what we have been doing this almost a year. And it was about time to take stock of twenty eight teen, and we figured Oscar month was a good time to do it. Yes. We are going to be celebrating the films of twenty eight teen in a special four part miniseries where we're talking about the future, which of the film's twenty eighteen would actually make a future list of the AFC. We're going to do it in a kind of an interesting way. Because here's a as you've been doing the show, you know, Paul and me, and you there we've been realizing that there are a few different factors that put a film on the list one. It was a gigantic juggernaut. Hit at the time. Like, Ben Hur. Yes, to it was a critical darling that nobody really paid attention to all the way up to the top of the list like people got wind of it years later, his later like citizen Kane, exactly or three is that everybody loved a lot didn't really like rock, the boat in any sort of particular way. But then somehow, boom, you're the searchers. So we're going to do is kind of tackle all these types of films in each episode. Our first episode is going to be the Big Ben Hur movies water, the movies that made the most money they had the biggest spectacle. We're gonna kinda examine what really popped in a major way in two thousand eighteen and I cannot wait to talk to you all about my love fascination of aquaman. Two we're going to at the critical darlings we're gonna look at the films that were at the very top of medic lists and the films that Paul and I was critics ourselves. Yes. Really love this year. Yeah. We want to maybe even turn you onto some movies aren't getting that much attention this year. And I think that's kind of fun too. Because as we get closer to the Oscars. Everything kinda gets narrowed down to what the critical best art. But there are a lot of missions. Exactly. Which is why an episode three. We will have you the people who love movies, you guys calling in and leaving messages about the films that you think have a good shot for af. I recognition many many many many years in the future when I have a long beard, exactly. And. And I get all my hair back. It's very weird. The futures a fascinating place, and there were in a wrap up our miniseries with a little post Oscar recap show that will happen the Monday after the Oscars just chance to kind of look at what got the awards what didn't get the awards, and where we kinda think these films will hold up in the grand scheme of cinema in the future. Exactly. And also in episode. We're going to be talking about the results of the unspools which yes on the Facebook group, they have now launched their own awards where people are voting for their work contenders in each of the categories, including actress, including all the good stuff. So if you want to get on that that's happening over on the Facebook page for unschooled, so we have four really special episodes for you all it's also chance for you to catch up on some of the movies that you might not have watched a four the podcast yet. And we'll be talking about the current state of affairs in film. I am excited. Amy cannot wait to do this. The current state of affairs. I know fischel. I feel a little bit official because we're talking about Sunset Boulevard, and we're talking bed the lead. Actress in this Norma Desmond who is a very official person. And what better way to get into talking about this then listening to some of you do your best Norma Desmond, impressions, take a listen to what we got. I'm ready for my close up Mr. brothers. I'm ready for my closeup. Mr. vending wrestling. I am ready for the extreme close up on my feet. Mr. ten Tino. I'm ready for my close, MS de vani. I'm ready for my two hundred thirty seven takes of my closeup. Mr kubrick. I'm ready for my unbearably long unbelievers Tajik Nastassja. Mr. Josh, I'm ready for my close up any female director. I'm ready for my close and night Shamlan. I'm oh said this any I'm ready for my close, Mr. Brooks. Mellberg's, by the way. I'm ready for my Hitchcock zoom, Mr.. Hits. Those were by the way, I have to say I realized that I had the line wrong because this is one of those moments in Hollywood where like there's a famous line played again Syam. I'm ready for my close at Mr. Millward's, not actually what they said. She says Mr. mill I am ready for my closeup, totally different reversal in a way, wait home in the movie. She says Mr Miller, I'm ready for my close up which is a subtle difference. But I think less punchy way of delivering it to be honest, don't really remembering no of Billy wilder fear. He would be very upset with us. They say the line as I wrote it God damnit, but he say with a much more intense accent? But it is actually one of the most misquoted lines in Hollywood history. I believe it's number seven on the list of misquoted lines. I think that is appropriate for movie that is all about how do not properly. Remember the things of Hollywood best. All right. Well, let's get into the past. Let's travel back to nineteen fifty four Sunset Boulevard. The years. Nineteen fifty the postwar baby-boom was just beginning. The median family income was three thousand three hundred dollars a year and milk was still being delivered to the doorstep. Unfortunately, paranoia about communism. Made a lot of good people. Act bad racism was rampant in many parts of the country. But especially in the south Mickey Mantle Marilyn Monroe and Mickey Mouse where the most famous stars movies are still popular. But this is the TV started taking a chunk out of the film industry's revenue. American families are finally getting out of the great, depression and moving into the suburbs. And watching gunsmoke and anything with Lucille ball James Dean gets his big break in a Pepsi commercial and Sunset Boulevard comes out. It's ranked number sixteen on af is two thousand seven list and number twelve on the originalist and nineteen ninety eight Amy tells a little bit about Sunset Boulevard Sunset Boulevard. It is hollow it looking at it self in the nineteen fifty is the story of a somewhat cynical younger writer played by. By William Holden who runs into an older silent film star name is Norma. Desmond played by glorious wants an actual silent film star and gets caught into living into her house as he keeps trying to step out into the great beyond of hip nineteen fifties Hollywood lured back to her palace intil. He is dead. And we know he dies because he's dead in the very first term of the movie. I mean, right from the get-go this movie is so provocative. I mean, whether it's the camera panning down to see Sunset Boulevard on the gutter. You know, it's like you're seeing it down there. I not seeing it up on the streets on your senior like a written on on the curbside. And then you see these dead man in a pool. He find up very quickly narrating the movie, and who is our lead character, it it just pulls you in a mmediately. And I think on this watch I realized this is more of a horror movie than it is a drama. I mean this. This reminds me in certain ways of misery or even let the right one in. I was gonna say let in really I was thinking about that movie so much on this watch will definitely gonna have to get into that. No. It was looking at it. Because there's so many similarities we should talk about that little bit. Yeah. We'll definitely talk about that this movie. It's Khanakala would it's conic Sunset Boulevard. Like, I remember the day after I moved to LA had to go to Sunset Boulevard because the old LA weekly offices were p when they're in Hollywood and just freaking out like took a right onto Sunset Boulevard. Oh, my son's at boulevard, and now you're like all right. So we're we're on right now. I know it doesn't feel as grand when you actually live in LA like it's just another main street, and by the way, the house not on Sunset Boulevard, actually on Irving, which is close to Wilshire boulevard. Yeah. It's closer to Hancock park. Also, very very very posh houses, I used to have to tutor the rich kids who live in those houses. They're really -able. I think the thing that it was kind of amazed by this watch. And it's kind of. Spoiler at the end that the entire Thome watching it. I'm like, oh Norma Desmond. She's so old. And you know, here's this young, man. But at the end they reveal she's fifty. And the way that she is treated is as if she is like this old monster, which I mean, it's a much more damning story knowing that she's fifty the entire way through in a way. Yes. It's kind of funny because you go is fifty William Holden is like thirty one years, right? When he makes this movie and glorious ones, and it was like a huge health nut right massive like she would bring her own food to dinner parties with sprouted bread and homemade almond butter. She's a vegetarian she looks great. And so you look at them together into me, I'm a little bit. Like, there's an age difference IV. This was like a Clint Eastwood movie reversed. He'd be like that's nothing. She's practically my sister. Will you know, Montgomery Clift was supposed to play the role of our screenwriter and he dropped out because he didn't think he could be convincing at romancing an older woman. And then later came out that he actually was having a fair with a much older woman. Livy Hoffman and other actress and was afraid that the press would find out about them, and it would kind of wreck his image. So they cast William Holden in the part, and he actually looked a little bit older than Montgomery Clift. And that was kind of an issue for Billy wilder because he felt like it didn't show the age difference enough. And I will say on this watch. I kind of agree with that. It doesn't seem like while. This doesn't feel maybe also we've grown as a culture. I don't know. Now, I kind of agree with that too. Like on this watch. I was kind of having to say mental game, you're which was recasting William Holden role. I just kept recasting MSNBC like slightly younger, maybe less cynical because like the character himself is so cynical about Hollywood. He's already jaded when the movie opens he's been trying to sell pictures forever. He knows little film in this like, very cynical voice of like Hollywood days people, blah, blah, blah. He hates everything he hates her house. It's most crazy hates all the people who work in Hollywood is so cynical. Nhl would if he was more of a twenty four year old kid who just sold us for screenplay was like really excited. Golly. Mama. I'm in Hollywood. But I don't think the movie works on that level because he needs to be Jada keys almost giving up and what he kind of fines is I guess comfort in failure. Right. Because at the when we kind of meet him his car is going to be repossessed. He's trying to get money and one of the most gut wrenching scenes trying to get money from his agent as agents playing golf. It's like I won't give you that money is your work better. If you if you're poor, and you just feel for this character, who's literally on the verge of going back home to become a copy editor and Dayton, Ohio. And he's at this crossroads because he kind of finds comfort and stability in a life that he's artistically shackled, but has money and access to things and then is kind of becoming creatively alive. When he interacts with Nancy who is like the version of him. It's almost like he's in the middle of these two parts of his own life. I feel like you need him to be on the outs to even get into position. Because young upcoming Nancy would never get in this situation. Nancy would never stay with her. Like, he's doing it. Because he's like I have nothing to lose. I've nowhere to go. I hear that. Although I do also think it's interesting to kind of frame his narration as a person who's so depressive, you can't trust anything. He says it we did double indemnity another Billy wilder script. And we we're talking about how Fred macmurray like can't really trust his opinion on things. He's wandering in being like, blah, blah, blah, baby. Right. You're like, okay. This guy's flagged. And I was thinking this whole time like Liam Holden's, Joe Gillis is super flagged in what we should buy of how he describes things. You know, he's so negative in the way he describes like her beauty regimen. Right. And I kept thinking what somebody else could. The her whole beauty Jamin when she thinks she's going to be a movie star again and say, look how great she's doing taking care of herself. She's really dedicated to her job going to bed at nine pm. What a good actress she is. When you look at what he's trying to accomplish to be ready for the role. She's very on top of her game. And and trying to make it work. You know, she's not like, I'm drunk inland. Low handing out and he describes it in such a cynical way. It's interesting to me to be caught torn between hearing his words and sort of disagreeing with them. Will he kind of hates himself for being with her because normally presents for the most part as someone who wants attention who someone who is lonely, but you know, she isn't abusive. It wasn't like, you know, she's not Kathy Bates in misery. She's not keeping him there by force. She's keeping them there. And I think he's upset that he's letting himself be kept there. So he definitely views her more negatively, some people say that the way that they did that scene. Where they're showing her beauty regimen is the reason why Billy wilder and his screenwriting partner. Charles bracket broke up Charles bracket felt that he was being too truthful too harsh in showing this side of normal like what you'd have to go to to be beautiful again, and by showing her going through all these treatments. Now, we look at it seems like oh, yeah. That's what any normal actor or actress ago to get ready for the screen like, you know, all these weird machines, and you know, and sweating out saunas, but gave a normal people in my neighborhood. I walked by sign all the time for a blood facial. That is nailing if I'm understanding correctly. They take the blood out of your body. And then they remix it somehow injected remix blood facial just the thing happening on Vermont and Koreatown everywhere. I know that they're even doing like things with hair transplant now, they take out people's plasma. And they put it on your head. And that helps. Grow hair. There's a lot of things we are in Hollywood. We are part of it. That's I think when you watch this movie. I thought was so interesting was how everything is roughly the same just a little bit more updated. But basically bracket thought that he was abusing these people and throughout the whole movie, you know, the fact that max her servant Norma servant in the movie is actually a famous director who is playing a failed famous. I mean, they are very much playing themselves throughout the whole movie. You know, I didn't realize that the mill was demille until I want to that guy played the mills great if it's demille, and then BUSTER Keaton's in it as our polka by he added a level of like reality to which I think in nineteen fifty must've blown people's minds make a movie about Hollywood with the people. I mean, there's even little things in here that I didn't get because I was alive in nineteen fifty two what was happening. But you know, when they go to the park. The the casual party, everybody's having fun. And they're around the piano, and they're seeing song called buttons. And bows that was a huge that had been in a movie that just won an Oscar, and the people who are playing who played it in real life in that movie in the paleface who wrote it are the people behind the piano. So it's like if you watched a movie today, and it's like, Damian Chazelle piano like Sudi of stars. Yeah. Would just know that you would get that reference. Well, the same going back to that her assistant servant, Butler, whatever you wanna call max, you know, so his his name is Eric von Stroheim, and he directed glorious Wanson in a movie called Queen Kelly, and that's the movie that normal watches on the screen now, the actor who played max Eric von Stroheim was kicked off that movie because glorious wants him got into a fight. And so by playing that and having him play that and then you reveal later that he was a director remind is exploding retroactively knowing like I never knew it was on that led. Evil. It's crazy. I love what you notice that clean Kelly thing. Because I mean, there's this huge story behind that. So glorious ones in massive silent films are I mean, you can tell from all the pictures in the house that are just of glorious Wanson herself a massive fashion star, I said fashioned. So it just sort of like a, but also not because that was what she was really known for is. She was this amazing woman wearing clothes and show where like the biggest most elaborate crazy close. And if you look at the fan magazines from the nineteen twenties, everybody's like I was as fashionable glorious Swanson, and what she was known for was being kind of daredevil in film, you a little bit here. There's a little bit where when she goes to see million kosher young fellow which is what he called her in all of their films together in real life that they made I love that. Because it was such an odd choice of words to call her his okay, young fellow. And it was like what is that? Yeah. Because she was really brave. She did this movie with two mil called male and female, most of her movies kind of had this aqua. She was like either rich or prostitute. Okay. In like either punished or probably punish double punished. A lot for whatever she did for being rich and glamorous and getting to walk into rooms wearing like all these ostrich feathers. She did this film, male and female, and there's a dream sequence in it where she lies down on the floor and a lion caresses her back, and they shot that with a real lion. Here's describing that by the way now to make a lion. Roar two trainers lashing. They're wimps. And he's roaring. Let me tell you sensation. When you can't look at danger your eyes closed and here he is with his paws, wait on the back of my bare bag 'cause I'm buried to the waist. His hot bread. My if I had any fuzzy my body at all all standing right, smack up, my heart. I don't know what it was doing. Then when he roared was Mike thousands of vibrators all over. It was the most awesome dangerous fascinating. I suppose dangerous always this way. I don't know by the way zones. Nothing like Norma Desmond. Right. That's what I was really blown away by when I watched some injuries with her as first of all she is beautiful like this injury that you just played from nineteen eighty and I would argue she doesn't even look as oldest Desmond looks in sunset over. They actually painted lines on her face. I think to get older and at one point there like they wanted to age up to sixty inches. Like, I don't wanna play sixty outplayed fifty. Yeah. They she looked so good in that movie that she started to do Juergens commercials afterwards that we're the tagline was like Lauria Swanson, fifty two. Can you believe it? I mean, this movie gave her a comeback ish. Become really the right word because she had to Hirsch hate that word comeback, which is like fair also forego onto but yet like her voice, she was she was cultured. She was she wasn't his deranged monster. No. And it made you realize how much of a great actress she was. She reminded me of billon from the nineteen sixties Adam west Batman, she had a very lot of hands. And a lot of is an arch browse, and it was, but what a great choice because it was so performance, it, you understood why she was a star of the silence green, and they think she really leaned into it. And when you see her here, and you hear talk she so naturalistic. Yeah. What I can think about watching her performance is she's got her neck kind of like in his rigor mortis position. Her teeth are always Baird, which I think was just sort of thing and the bear teeth, but she's doing these things with her fingers. Like these like spider. Yes. Always like. Yeah. It's a little bit like wicked witch of the west that knows for two. She's very to me watching this movie this time, I was like, oh, basically, this is where timber and got so much of everything he ever did the way cat woman in Batman returns. I would argue as very similar in the way that Michelle Pfeiffer kind of. I feel like there's a similarity there could see that. I was thinking of win in Beetlejuice the banister in the house comes alive because the banister here that draping it looks like a snake. You know, everything in the house is all winding and leafy and twisted malivert. Beetlejuice house comes alive at feel so much like the mentioned to me that letting is back to the twentieth. So because Gloria was in a lot of courtesan roles or women who are like grabbed by handsome princes and taken away and become like prostitutes. She kept getting into trouble at the Hays code when the Hays code gets more and more powerful. Because here she is making his elaborate epics, she gets to be in costumes and have like huge periods sets, and she's spending a ton of money, and they're getting increasingly positioned as being at risk of being boycotted dealers banned because of Hayes so she goes through this whole drama with this movie called Sadie Thompson, it's one of her prostitute movies. It's very expensive. William Hayes was like it's going to be. Okay. And then he was like, no, it's not and they're all these. Threats of boycotting. When it finally got into the it made its money back. It was a decent hit. But so then she does glean Kelly with Stroheim, and she doesn't realize that there's the scene where her character in Queen Kelly is supposed to go into a dance hall that to von Stroheim, the dance hall was really a brothel God. And so if she did this brothel scene with von Stroheim when she's paying for this movie. She's like, oh my God. I'm gonna have to get into this fight with Hayes all over again. I might not win it this time this movie can't get made the way that he's trying to do it. And he's going like twice times over budget. I'll just let her talk about it. This is her talking about it. I excuse myself. It was Joe hyme excuse me. And I went to my bungalow, and I call New York immediately and said better get out here, but fest to the people who are concerned in who had been lending me the money bankers. I don't think we have a picture because a lot of it's going to be on the cutting room floor. Because will Hays office did not okay this version. Plus, the fact that we have twenty thousand feet of the first third and how we're going to cut that down to make any sense. I don't know. And then I relaxed, and of course, everybody rushed out there. There's a lot of hysterics and great deal of. I never saw incidentally, Mr. von Stroheim from that day until I went back stage. Oh, many years later. I think in the forties when he was doing arsenic and all lace and said Hello to him. We never mentioned Queen Kelly. And then the next time I saw him was when he was on the set Sunset Boulevard playing max, which I love that. Because that means there was some tension on if they hadn't talked in hold on. How can I do math off the top of my head? I'm better at least twenty years. Well, it makes you realise kind of what a provocateur Billy wilder was because he clearly knew this like he none of this is a happy accident. I mean von Stroheim is not by trade and actor. Yes, backed it a handful of times in roles that were very similar to himself disgruntled directors, but this is clearly a setup to kind of create a very engaging tone in the film. And I think it works. You know? Especially as you kind of understand it. And especially if you're maybe a movie fan, it's ripe for the gossip column, which is even great because even at the end Hedda Hopper's in this film, playing herself also great good head off is really good and like her she's a line. And then she's a sad face faces. I thought very convinced. I love it. Well, I think that their relationship on since boulevard Stroheim, and of course, wants them was a little bit better. This glorious wants talking about working with Stroheim on sensible. Boulevard. We didn't have a finished script von Stroheim who couldn't help himself was creative. He made suggestions. And I can remember Billy wilder saying. Oh, that's wonderful. But it doesn't further the story. And we don't have the footage for it. But he came up with one he came up with a magnificent idea that the fan mail that was sent to me if you will recall, I thought was fanmail he was writing them. This was done Stroheim idea. And this was a magnificent idea is wonderful after we had a nice times on the set, and I have wonderful recollections. And then after the picture I met him here in France. You know, we even talked about doing something about Queen Kelly making a new story around it seeing if we couldn't say this beautiful material, which he had done where I was a convent girl. But unfortunately, I lived in America he lived here. And then. He left us. So sad little end to their relationship there. But it seemed like it got better towards the end. Or maybe that's all Hollywood bullshit. Just watching her clips like if you if you guys want to go and look for them yourself my God. She is so good with her face. Those is though as she opens and closes them. We'll she so put together, and I think maybe unjustly compared to the character of Norma Desmond. But she hit like re writes over the memory of the real actors, right because she was not this. I mean, she was living in New York in a in a beautiful town house. She you know, she had a line of cosmetics. She had her own dress patterns should a radio show. She was touring plays. I mean, she definitely TV show. Yeah. She did. This thing. Did you know about this that in World War Two? She created this company multi prizes. And what that was was she invited Jewish inventors Jewish scientists who were living in Europe to come to America. She got them work visa. If she was getting Jewish people out of Europe to help invent things choose this incredible woman. And also, by the way, she wasn't that bad at transitioning to sound she'd a movie called I think the trespass very early on. Where is she did it both silent? And like with words, she's pretty good. I even pulled a little clip of that. You don't know that darling? Make me this like that. I want to MRs serious, you'll realize what we've done though to where we we we eloped. We ran away got married. We've gotta fight on him Dowling to Lincoln fight the world would wanna fight, Dan. Only son. The only thing he's got the only thing I've got to get threats are go on him. I can't keep him waited. I mean, that's just to say she could've transitioned so she, but she kind of pulled herself out of the studio system very much like her character did as well. Like, she stopped performing. She wasn't kicked out. Right. Because I think what you were saying what the issue at the Hayes act and stuff she just was getting a little bit cornered. She did it. She was rich. I'd always hoped like if I ever became like, really really rich it doing something. I would stop doing it and not have to do it in time. I don't understand. Why people can't get it while they're on top. Well, talking about her interaction with Cicely demille glorious wants and got paid. What do you think she got paid for this movie? I don't know fifty thousand dollars okay for twelve weeks of shooting seasonably. What do you think he gets paid for one day of shooting that I'm scared? Ten thousand dollars for one day of shooting. And I thought that was amazing like he was the get that's a lot of money to spend on essentially just a cameo. And when he had to come back for a reshoot he wanted another ten thousand they didn't give it to them. They gave him a six thousand dollar Cadillac and a three thousand dollar bonus. So they gave him ten thousand just differently. But what I loved about it. And I love about that scene was as a what a great choice to make him. Sweet. He's not a dick. I think in our mind, you would play that scene with her coming in and been going get outta here. You your nothing or avoiding her and he plays it more. Like, you would actually play it. If you were this actual person. Yeah. It's true. And yet it's so sad that you know, when she comes onto his set somebody puts the spotlight on our everybody sees it. She's there. It's like a heat lamp everybody. Gravitates towards chair where she sitting and then he comes back, and he's like turned out away from there and the light goes, and then the people go, and it's so heartbreaking. There's so much symbolism in that scene. I mean, she's sitting down in the director's chair she's on her perch and a microphone kind of comes to her hits the feather in her head. You gotta swats away the microphone it's beautiful small little moment. But just like, you know, the silent film star swatting away, the microphone it, you know, it's, but that whole scene just shows a the amount of respect that she commands, and you know, I heard the story once about Anthony Hopkins. And I hope I'm not spreading a rumor, but someone had said to Anthony Hopkins like why haven't you worked recently? And he said when my agents never call me any recently switched agents. And that's why I think you're seeing Anthony Hopkins working so much more. Whether it's transformers that great new series. He just did on Amazon, which King Lear I believe, but like it's funny because of Anthony. Walked in anywhere Anthony Hopkins. But you forget about these people sometimes, you know, as you get older, you kind of go to the back of the mind. And I think they did a great job of showing like, yes, she commands respect. She's not like who's that? Who's that? Who's that? No, everyone knows exactly what she is. And they want to be with her and be by our presence. But they all go back to their own lives mean, apparently, this is maybe pocketful, but I think it is somewhat true. That part of what inspired the story is at nineteen forty eight Billy wilder who was still fairly young this time. He goes to a party in he's Romanoff's with which at the time is like, oh, the swanky place all the people at Romanoff's. And I know I saw the Amazon series. No big deal. He's hanging out. And he sees it. There's sort of like old shoveled man in the corner who's like getting really drunk and people are treating him with scorn the wife of one of the people. He's with just calls him like filial drunk and tells them to get away, and he's like who is that and seven goes, oh, just DWI Griffith. And he was what your DWI Griffith who like is even named checked. Here is one of the people who found Hollywood who will get to the intolerance later. You know, we'll get with the whole thing. But yes, so that just kind of was this little seed in his brain DWP died a few months after that. And it's you know, it was pretty much half empty. You know, it's it's interesting. This idea that I look back at nineteen fifties high and I'm like, oh, it's a classic era. It's so long ago, it feels to me, but for it to in nineteen fifty feel like it had been through a lifetime already that. There was this old air that it already been forgotten. I don't know if you ever feel this way like I feel like I'm always fighting this tendency to lump everything black and white into this one chunk, many exhale and be like, wait note piece of. Depart here we go. But like even this week, you know, we're talking to bug Donna Vicent like, quote unquote old Hollywood, which would like encompassed win Sunset Boulevard was made in Sunset Boulevard is already looking back at an older Hollywood still and this idea of just like Hollywood retelling itself. I mean were you thinking about singing in the ride was literally just typing in singing in the rain on my computer just to see what year came out because that's fifty two. This is nineteen fifty like these are two stories very close in when they're made talking about a time that I guess it's on the mind of people in in Hollywood. I mean singing in the rain is I think the fun Lovin version of this. But there's so many similarities between this like people just grasping like we don't wanna forget this history, realizing you had just for that. And that you just let d w Griffith, Diane. Nobody cared like. Oh my God. We have to pin this down while we can we know while you can still go to Mary Pickford and be like would you like to be in this movie? And then be like should not ask her that. That is terrible. Well, I mean, this movie was going through so many different incarnations. Like, obviously, they they ended on Gloria Swanson who I think is fantastic. But they they gave it to Greta Garbo who just returned the script without comment. She later let them use her name. But was so offended, by the way that they used her name. She said I thought that Billy wilder and I were friends because they used during the past tense not in the the current tents. And I think may west was the original idea for this. Because after that party he wanted to you know, he wanted to create this idea of comedy the comedy of this. You know, it was going to be Marlon Brando and may west in Sunset Boulevard. I mean, what is that movie? You know, like it was going to be a bigger comedy. But I think it this movie lens to be more of a thriller. And and it's a psychological thriller in a way because this house is trapping this man in his own mind. I'm fascinated by. How it gets in the psychology of old Hollywood too because these people are trapped in their own ways. They're not they're not getting out of their own ways. So they're creating their own obstacles, which I think that seeing the rain doesn't touch on singing rain touches on people want to the next stage. But this is like how your mind can stop you. I mean, I would love to see this movie with Marlon Brando. I mean, can you imagine especially because then it becomes so much about different types of performance shifting from one style of acting to another one, you know, shifting the theatrical style of acting that everybody sort of doing there isn't like the new naturalism in this movie. We were you really see that contrast. If a brand showed up, I think that this movie flirts with it. I, you know, Billy wilder films. I feel like have this kind of dialogue that you can really just jump into. It doesn't feel as stilted performances. Don't feel typical what you're talking about. Not does not natural Listrik. It's kind of in between. Old and naturalistic. I don't know because I think when you watch Joe and Nancy and their relationship. It's kind of it plays very real at points. You know? Well, what's interesting is like I feel like his characters in this film are also slipping into that old style of performance on purpose. Okay. That if Norma Desmond is still living in the theatrical world where she was but everybody keeps slipping into it. I mean here listen to this one scene actually where Joe is hanging out with Betty Schaefer at a party, and they go from talking sort of naturally issue about what should we do the script needed to say she sort of insulting him? It's new year party to going into the the character of no, we must be strong still very uniform the coal stream. God's for them. All you can have phone now. Okay. I find myself terribly afraid of losing you. I'll get a filler this horrible quick. You'll be waiting with a wildly beating heart. Life can be beautiful. It's true. It's they're taking the piss out of the old school Hollywood. And I love their also commenting on. What makes interesting film the entire? I guess b or c pot of this film is that you know, Joe has a nugget of a good script, but his scripts as selling right now are a little bit hack ear and probably going back to that old school of Hollywood. Like, he talks about. I mean, I love that one pitch where he goes it happened in the bullpen the story of a woman, and I was like that like like those ideas it felt like very old Hollywood. And he was kind of getting a rejection of those ideas, and what you know, Nancy brings out an ABS, and you'll tell the story that that means that you connect with that you feel you know, as a part of you his teacher, and maybe that's Billy wilder saying like. Let's get away from these. You know, these big fake stories in let's tell real stories. I mean that we can connect to relatable I like that idea. And also, you know when he's pitching that baseball story when he's in the room at the very beginning. He's like Bill demerist, I Bill I actually didn't know his name who was building rest. 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She's always she's always performing to kind of doing like bits. Right. Like, I I kind of writers do bits like she's always acting in trying to get out. I don't know. There's nothing funny about that. Like, but I see what you're saying to maybe not entirely real. It's not like debate between like real and artifice. I do sort of wish like the actors was maybe touch older just because she's so young twenty two right? Yeah. She had never heard of glorious Watson. When she said, she did this movie that she still young that she makes William Holden. I think even older it. So she adds to idea that he's not a young, man. I do believe that this movie would have been just a little bit better. If it was a little bit younger. I think that that's why the graduate works a little bit better. You know as far as like seeing that that age difference. Although funny thing about that kiss when they finally do kiss in the film, Betty and enjo- going to the Billy wilder may have been a dick. He just let the kiss continue for very long time because he knew that William Holden's wife was onset and she yelled out cut because he wouldn't. So they kissed for an obscenely long period of time until she got so furious. He will also talking about this party in that he goes to. I love it. When even in this black and white cinematography, they're doing really interesting things to make him pop out visually like he's the only one on a black tuxedo. And it's so black and dark, and yes, we're supposed to be looking at the contrast between him and the sweaters. But the color contrast in there, nobody else's wearing anything dark like he is it pops. So well, and then creepy coincidence. You know, how he's walking past that women on the phone and just cracking up on the phone, and he's. The woman on the phone. That's an actress named Yvette Vickers. I think she was in tack of the fifty foot woman. She's. Marilyn Monroe, the GI looked to go. She's going to be a big star later she pops and she does become an okay size star. Okay in then. Here's what happens to her. You know, she gets a mention in Benedict canyon, or at least decent size house and one day. Her neighbor goes to the house because they hadn't seen her in a while. And she is dead inside the house and she'd been dead for a year. Nobody noticed that's Levin. They've found the laughing girl dead in mummified in her own home, which I thought was. With. Yes. Sunset boulevard. All my God. Wow. That's rough one. Let's hear her laugh over the rainbow. I'm sorry Vickers may laugh in pace and speaking of sets he said, you know, they walk through that set, you know, that Gloria Swanson house, and this film was also using another famous film rebel without a cause. That's where the kids hang out and party in that mansion out in part of that my gosh me to the silent fennel, the giant crazy. Cherubs? I watched on filmstar before it was gone. Oh. Criterion will even be better and that opening shot in the pool really was striking to me. I immediately thought like how did they do this because it's nineteen fifty that's pretty complicated chives like underwater, and you're getting William Holden. And it just in your it's every bit about it. I was just kind of blown away by look beautiful, and they went and did some research, and apparently was not shot from underwater. They had to get the temperature the pool to forty degrees. And then they were able to use a mirror and had the cameras shoot into a mirror. And so that's basically the mirror reflection of William Holden lying down to the camera was never even wet. But I thought that was a a beautiful shot in a great way to kind of figure out how to get that shot. But imagine in nineteen fifty seeing that because it's the first time you've ever see like a real underwater shot like that looks awesome. It really does flicked the light on at the pool towards the end. We like, oh, no we're going back to the no done. He doesn't have to make a bunch of extra steps. To get in that Pula Vega long walk respect to when she's shoots him for the first time. He doesn't crumple. He actually keeps walking straighter. Yes. He is determined to leave on his own two feet. And I appreciate his body performance there. I mean, this is a man who is trying to just I mean, they took his car, and they put bulletin just got he's gotta get out. Gotta get out. But yeah, that's interesting. I mean that the idea that Joe's Lana good writer, and we can't writing. I mean, do we think that he's not a good writer or he is trying to write something that pleases the person because evenly as writing for Norma? He doesn't right? Would he believes to be true? He just kinda lets her dictate basically rights shitty version of Sala may. But if he really was to care about it. He wouldn't let that happen. You know? But I like is the writer who's been like, what do you want me to write? Okay. All right. All right. He has no there's dry. Drive left. And he's like all he's all beano dried up, I think. Yeah. Okay. Listen to the way that even describes the act of being a screen it or and how much people even care that you exist. Something was the matter owned, right? I was thinking about that girl of RT's. But misshapen she was so like all of us writers when we first hit Holly itching with him Bishen penning to get your names up screenplay by original story by. Audiences. Don't know somebody sits down and right to picture. They think they actors make it up as they go along. And what's so what kind of blew my mind about that monologue was here's a writer talking about how actors take all the credit, but an actor saying it, so does it cease to exist. I dunno mind blown lie. You know? Maybe this is the question like we do get to see his writing in a way in his narration, right? It is a good narrator like is narration really deftly handled or is it a little bit overblown. I think it's a touch overblown. Hacky? I don't know about that. I agree. I I feel like it's very new are. But I would. But look let me say one thing about I would say that we see that. He's a good writer or we feel that he's a good writer writing. When he's when he's jamming with Nancy, and they're creating the script he becomes alive. It's the first time we see him not writing for money. He's writing out of passion. And when we first meet him, he's writing to pay the bills anything I'll do anything they need that money. And I feel like that's where we have to look at them. They're his narration is just him as a person. But I think the narration is good. I'm gonna I'm gonna disagree with you there. I don't know if you like it's very classic. Nor narration there was eight opening Zito's boulevard that was more his narration where instead of opening in the pool it was opening with his corpse getting yet into the morgue, whatever he was saying it was like him talking voice over to the other corpses. Morgue was so ridiculous that the people that test green just started laughing and get rid of it. I heard a little bit of. Story. Okay. The reason why people are laughing at that test screening was because everybody at the more basically all the bodies the Morgan they're telling each other why they died. The reason why it was getting less was because all the bodies had toe tag 's on them, and everyone thought that that was like Billy wilder making a joke like these tote at least funny toe tags on people didn't realize that. That was a thing that they did to dead bodies toe tag on that body nineteen fifty. There was no internet. It was just ask Jeeves back, then and. And so, you know, so they were starting to laugh they weren't paying attention 'cause they're reading what was on the toe tag like almost like it was Mel Brooks movie, or so what are they in here for what are they in here for everyone, laughing more and more and more because it's like the comedy. It's funny. And maybe it was a combination of both. I would like to ask a person who members nineteen forty nine before this movie, if they knew what a toe tag was like to know what I want to talk you about narration in general, we've watched to Billy wilder movies on this list. And I think when you talk to most Spreen writing teachers, most film storylines, you would say that narration is the thing that people lead you away from doing because you know, you should be seeing it. And both of these films relies so heavily narration. What is your thought? As as a critic, you watch a lot of these movies. I mean, narrations a tricky thing to land any might general rule with narration kind of guideline if I had to come up with any guideline that sort of matches how I feel about it from movie to movie is if the narration is just exactly describing what you can be seeing on screen, then it's worthless. Right. Because then you can just watch the movie can pick it up on screen. If the nation is clashing with what you're seeing on screen, and you're realizing that the narrator isn't exactly correct or that they're deluding themselves that they're trying to lie to you. Or that something is wrong. If there's a mismatch. I find that interesting. Okay. So what did you think here? Here's my question. Like because of what he describes in her house the way it smells the way. He feels when he's there. We don't really ever get her side of things. And so we're told so many negative negative things about her that I think it's really easy. Just to believe, I'm curious. About that effect of his narration on the audience to believe that our house really does smell awful. What if it doesn't? He just hates the smell of her perfume. Maybe it's just him. What if you walk in? And you're like, it's lovely. So I think that we buy a lot of what we're told of Norma Desmond through him. And I don't think he's that reliable. No. I mean, there's a part of me. I mean, this is a crazy feary that really has no basis to even be set out loud. But I will say it, which is like is this his whole story that he is made up to kind of tell you about his writer's block, you know. Like is this? I don't know if I really have much of a thing. I did any of this even ever happen is even dead is Billy wilder telling a story about, you know, the struggles of being a writer because it feels so much about writing for yourself versus writing for the man. Right. And and the man in this is Norma Desmond. Like, you know, she's making them, right? This thing he has no passion for it. He's doing it because it making his life easy. And yet, then he's pulled back sense of lovey keep continually being pulled back to his love of Hollywood. It's like the romance between him and Nancy shirts. It it's a love story. But it's based on creative impulses. It's not based on like you like pasta like pasta. You know? It's like, no, they are they're they're they're fueling. She's like your shit. Your stuff is shit. She tells them it, and then it kind of gets him a little bit riled up. And she's the only person that's Challe. Ging him. So I almost feel like, you know, this is you know, what a writer feels like when they're trapped, you know, when they're trapped behind a job where they're not being fulfilled. Enormous house is this trap this fun houses, you know, this fucking house of terrors, and I pulled this clip of of this PIN amusing that made me realize going this is like old school like Hunchback of Notre Dame harm moving. I mean that is so traditional the fate of the turning like, it, it is, you know, it's like he is he's being tortured here, you know. But he doesn't know it. I love that scene so much because to me this is such a great example of this film working within kind of the in both of camp to camp and horror also making excuses it because we realize like that keyboard is being played by max just playing organ downstairs. He's just happening to choose to be playing creepy music. But you don't know that when the scene starts, you know, the stars. And he's like my stuff is here. What has happened? Right. Why why is this going movies beginning? Yeah. And then they come up with an excuse for the horror movie music with the scene. It's almost reminded me. I mean, this organ is like very much MVP most valuable piano this movie. Yeah. The sound that he puts under the score or the soundtrack win max even ushers him into living for the very first time. Right. This is great. Into medicine. We get in that blessed pipe. That makes me so happy. I love it. I mean, when I watched it I was thinking like, oh, oh, I could see a modern remake of it. And that's what got me thinking about let the right one in. Because it it's this idea that there are these reveals these twists like when you find out about max, the end it's a twist, and when you find out that she's going to find out when you see her killing twist the end is full of these big reveals. I mean, even the fact that you know, Joe brings Nancy to the house. It's everything is boom, boom, boom, boom. It it drives you right to the end. It's I can't help being surprised that movie that is to me really embracing camp and enjoying camp is this high in the fight because I feel like there's sort of this resistance to camp as being like a high quality movie 'cause maybe visiting camp, right? Like, he's not in half his tire broke down at camp will. Yeah. I really do believe that like because that house is. Camp. But Hollywood is in camp. He he's not camp. But he's in camp. Troop Beverly Hills. For the movie to be camp. Everyone's got to be in on it. Whereas I think that this character in this world that he's in is that, but he recognizes that he's being such a straight man keeps the film itself from being camp. Yes. Because I feel like I can't movie everyone's on the same page like if you look at like. Rocky horror picture show. Right. That's a camp film. Right. You would argue over specifically for me, whatever happened to baby Jane. Okay. That's I'm familiar with. Oh, you're going to if you like Sunset Boulevard, you're gonna love baby. Jane, Jane, I might like it even a little better than since. I'm learning to try to be confident in that opinion. I know it's not considered that. Because I feel like it's such a can't be film that always feel embarrassed making argument for being terrific, baby. Jane swing that takes place at grey gardens like in a house with two people that kind of idea. Yeah. If did you see few feud was like. That's the movie they're making right where it's very similar to this. You have to icons head to head in this movie. It goes even a little further back in entertainment history because Bette Davis characters of vaudeville star. And then Crawford was the silence star and I- door that movie and to me, I think it's as good as sensible, which I feel like I'm gonna get yelled at four. But I I don't feel bad about it. I do feel bad do not feel bad about a lot of people agreed with us about the searchers of tuck to lot of people. Thanks for saying. That was interesting because I feel like this performance of nor the the character of Norma. It's hard for me to imagine hers. New does exist in the real world. But there is an interesting moment that happens. I was thinking about all About Eve, of course, watching this and another look like an aging actress that came this year glorious wants and was competing with Betty Davis for this Oskar when he talked about all About Eve about the scenes where Margo Channing is alone. She changes a personality is not the grand mistress. But here whenever Margaux is alone. Or at least when she thinks that nobody can hear her. She. He's actually the same person, which I thought was interesting. See no, I disagree with that. Because his narration paints a picture of it. Right. He seeing himself in her. He's disillusioned with himself. So he's doing that thing that we all do were super bitchy like well, but they're worse than me. But then when you see here performing her bathing beauty thing or Charlie Chaplin act, which is actually she did Gloria Swanson, there's a joy in energy to her. And like there's I feel like you see her be childlike with him and break it down. But he always keeps his opinion of her at a certain way because he doesn't want to fall in love with her. But even when she sunbathing by the pool there are moments when I felt like I saw her sweet even when she was like don't look at me. You know, I have to get ready for bed like all that stuff on her face you see her more vulnerable. And then when she's performing it's, you know, I don't know there's moments where I felt like I got to see some more of a vulnerable. Everything you're saying is to disagree. With any of that. And I really love how much she comes to life. Once he's at all kinds of her and I love her chaplain. She's a good performance. Great excellent chocolate like the idea that you could watch as me like normal. God, she sucks. No, she's great actually a chaplain. But I was thinking this scene this scene when Norma walks Joe's bedroom while he's asleep, and she like an mumbles, and she checks these asleep. Then she gives a speech about how she thinks he's cheating on her. And she sounds exactly like how she would sound in front of him. And I thought that was interesting here. Let's listen. Is it a woman? I know it's a woman. She why can't I ask you? I must know. Correct me if I'm really the only time we see Norman not through his eyes. You are totally correct. And there's a part of me that that I watch. And I go is she practising performing there is like, you know, because it is a dramatic moment that she performed I wrote down every time or hair is down. We see in a different way when she's pretending to be the star. We see her performance star. But when her hair is down, but I agree with you that that moment, I didn't remember that moment, and it's so performance. But I also feel like I think that she wants that like that drama. I think she's a dramatic person. But I do think that you see elements of her a little bit more subdued. And I wonder if that had to do with the direction in the film, you know, I think that according to Gloria Swanson, she had a very hard time with Billy wilder. She said, I believe Billy wilder just doesn't like women. Billy wilder is only a few of about her that she was very prepared came. To set and was willing to do the work, those those compliments have actually not total cob IDs. Those are like she worked very hard. They're not like. Difference. Road. I said very very well. What does the stories? I heard was that Billy wilder take this as you will like it or not was convinced that she that her character Norma Desmond had been fucking the monkey and like people aren't quite sure if he's kidding or not. But he said it so much. It doesn't seem like a joke would the yet when she's like standing there like Burri Ving the monkey he kept dealing remember. That's your level. Remember that as your lover? Screaming it, and he kept it up to the point that I think in the eighties at some time. He was around ANSI revenues like, yeah, she was fucking the monkey Nancy was just like, what are you talking? That is insane Utah game out what this film has to say about writers active writing. I find that interesting because we think of this as the movie about actresses, but you're really interested in the writer through line. And it almost does feel like Billy wilder wants to complain about all the difficulty had writing. We talk so much under the double indentity episode about what a pain it was for him making that movie is that he wants to bitch about what it's like to be a writer in Hollywood. But he just shunts off all the attention on what it's like to be around an actress. Well, yet to me I feel like he's saying, oh, these actresses are such a pain in the you know, the writer that you've you basically killed a writer. That's the person who died at the end Norma. Desmond doesn't die the writer. Does I think he made a movie that's so cleanly in clearly. Mailed Hollywood, you know, whether it's seasonably being one way to her to her face and another way behind her back, and I love that little side note that they're just calling for her car. Like all these just shows Hollywood for what it actually is that when people I saw this film. I mean, they were blown away. I mean, there's a I'll let Billy wilder tell you what happened after their first screening any let's finish. Mr. we've really be may having seen that affiliate bear. I heard you talking to his henchman day whole group of of Louis b may people that's a bitch wild ISIS. He's a foreign knife. He let him in. We gave it be given beginning him live give him a family. And now, he's biting the hint. That's been feeding him. I got up to there. We may up to fuck you might name is wild. I did it that proud of it. I love that attitude. Like, I watch Billy wilder interviews all day. He's lovely and wonderful Cameron Crowe at this book, great book about Billy wilder called conversations with wilder where he just gets into every little detail with them. But I just love the fact that he was so confident I mean this in many respects, this could have wrecked his career this movie. I mean because he could have been shunned from Hollywood the same way we talked about citizen. Kane, you know, when it reveals too much, or you know, or it shows something, but the movie wasn't out of control wasn't really over budget. It was you know, it's an inside baseball movie. You have a movie like the player, which I guess you can closely compare this to in the grand scheme of things it, you know, it up in Hollywood or Mulholland Drive, which the David Lynch film sets a whole other thing. But you know, this is a main stream big budget movie that could have. Blacklisted him in a way, if they if he felt like he was insulting to people. Or maybe I don't know that I thought it was a risky move to make this movie. Like, I'm trying to put myself in nineteen fifty because I don't know if this is happening to anybody else like out there listening to this or do you Paul? But like I've always thought of this movie so much just a fantasy like a nightmare fairytale because we're watching in the present day, and it seems so far away. So that's why a lot of what's fascinated me about it is going back and realizing how fresh and relevant. It was two people watching it. Yeah. It feels so real. And I mean, I think this conversation in the film seem so out there in nineteen fifty but you could put this in a movie right now today, and it would work perfectly. Here you go. You're really going to send scripted the mail. Today. He here's the astrology. She read to Milton scope, she read the script deal. I'm Scofield transiting Jupiter for weeks today is the day of the greatest conjuction just love that. Like she's basing things on a strategy. She's you know, there is that you could put that in the comeback. You could put that in anything that takes the peseta volley would. And you'd be like, oh, yeah. That's totally. That's nothing has changed. I love to know what that means. If anybody who's a better horse Scopus? I couldn't find out. That means I have a friend that she's amazing can find out what that means. There's one other little similarity that I noticed talked about this film yet. But did you notice this Larry between the apartment, and this film, go on that the head of the studio and this movie is named shell Drake? Which is Fred macmurray character in the apartment, another kind of intimidating boss man, who's you know, has a lot of power over. This guy is trying to make it up the ladder. And basically, you know, just kind of screw them over a little bit. I think of intimidating last names. I would not put Sheldrick at the top. Now. I'm only thinking of shell Drake as an intimidating name. But talking about William Holden's, lex t- think he looks like very skinny John sina. Wow. Now say it I love it. I was thinking he looks like a more tractive, John Wayne. Genuine super hot by the young. I'm just saying it was what calling my maybe I've John Wayne on the brain right now. After like, these three cowboy movies are too Kevin movies with a cameo Campbell movie in it, speaking of names, this movie named dropped a lot of people some people agreed to have their name dropped some people did not so Daryl zanuck Tyrone power Olivia de Havilland in Samuel Goldman. Also, please don't use my name. But while Livia. Livia stewing because she's in feud. Oh, right. Oh. She's always been mad about this. It is I'm to welcome our guest for this week into the studio, and I'm so happy. She's here. She's a friend of mine, and a film genus name is Alicia alone. She's a host of Turner classic movies. She's written two books to books. The female gaze is our newest one. And also, she wrote backwards and heels at least show, thank you guys for having me, much fun. I'm a big fan of the podcast. So great this film of Sunset Boulevard is a classic and a feel like it deals with Hollywood away that was incredibly realistic for nineteen fifty or at least it felt that way to me. I mean is this kind of breaking bounds at the time for showing Hollywood like all scars, and all I guess whatever that phrase is a couple of films about Hollywood before this, including of course, a star is born which you can draw comparisons with this film. But this was a really duct take on the industry and reportedly Louis be man who. The head of MGM at the time was really upset with Billy wilder fa-. Creating this film said he should be Todd and feathered and drove out of Hollywood fish showing this side of it. And I think it's really interesting in that both looks at the time of you know, these silent films stars and how they will push to the side once sound came in. And it also speaks to the time, which the film was made which so much was happening, including the crumbling of geo system, the end of the studio contracts, and the feel all of that in this film that is interesting to kind of in that time context to where like that scene where Norma Desmond is sort of looking at it. How much of paramount she used to have just as her dressing room. And there's a weird moment Max's like much studio lined in black Li Tech's. How cheap they were by nineteen fifty in terms of how nobody had luxury anymore. They're already building in the sense of financial collapse or or corporatization. Yeah. That was the antitrust lawsuit that happened in nineteen forty eight which was United States versus Paramount Pictures, they were the scapegoat. But it went for all the studios because they thought it to dominate every part of the business, and it wasn't it wasn't what the government wanted. But also, I think it's interesting that moment in paramount because Gloria Swanson was huge stock paramount back when it was called famous players Lasky. And so in a sense she did help to build paramount paramount was built on stars. But by nineteen fifty that was signing to go away. Sometimes I feel a little bad for glorious ones and in this movie because we remember her no Ford this movie for being a failure. When she was not bad at all that we don't really remember her actual films. Yes. She was someone who did manage to make that transition from silent films. To sound which no many styles. Could it was a really difficult thing that had to Alta, the acting style gone was that big pantomime style acting that they did in silent films. I think that kind of over the top acting style works perfectly for the character of Noma Desmond. But Gloria Swanson hisself she remained working like well into old age. She started in nineteen fourteen when she was a teenager. She died at the age of eighty four she was still really famous early fits overly attractive. So this is really a caricature of that kind of silent film stop. But definitely not exactly. Although there's a lotta similiarities yet. You know, they said that this movie's obviously, an amalgamation of a lot of different silent film stars. Whether it's very pick for it or Clara bow or may Murray. Is there any character that you see coming out of Norma Desmond? Yeah. Definitely is an amalgamation of so many kinds of stars that didn't manage to make the transition to sound. And and how sad that must pay to guy from bang. Famous one minute to discarded the next Clara. Bow is someone who really sticks out to me in my mind because I just watched the wild potty from nineteen twenty nine and that was an early toki film, and you could say that Clara was really struggling with being able to act and remember the microphone and toned down actions. But an interesting night is that on that film that directo Dorothy Aasa who was the only female filmmaker working in Hollywood at the time because the transition from silent films to sound films. Also a lot of fame out directives. They went by the wayside. She ended up creating the boom microphone to help clower by because Clara was struggling in remembering to stand around the microphone, and so she had the great idea Dr thousands of putting a microphone on the end of a fishing rod and then getting the crew to follow Clara she walked talked. And so that follow that ended up becoming the boom microphone just the. Female directors kinda went by the wayside when talking about what what did that happen? It was several things all at once. You know, the the great depression meant that movie suddenly had to become profitable and make money the the success of the jazz singer, which was created by the Warner Brothers really set them up as a huge studio. Made it hard for the independence GDI's run by women to compete banks coming into town and lending money. And they of course, felt more comfortable lending money to men rather than women the studio system sides before in men sided hiring men like that then Nason them. So then nephews all the cousins, all the, you know sons in law, and it became a real big boys club. And a lot of fame out direct is Lexa mile directors struggle with just being able to create sound films. So the change was so great that for example, at Universal Pictures, which had the most fame out direct is working at the time. I think the head about eleven on a regular basis. Went from that in the mid twenties to hiring a single fame out directed till nineteen eighty two. Uh-huh. Mateen eighty. Yeah. And it feels like we forget that you know, people like glorious wants, and they weren't as actresses they were also like very heavily involved in the mining. And a lot of Mary Pickford herself was like majorly, not just an actress, but somebody behind the screen staging at being a woman in control and then losing control exactly because like Laureus once in was eating like dating JOSEPH P KENNEDY JFK was like part of this whole banker movement that was like regimenting Hollywood has a boys club, and she was trying to get money out of him to make a movies, but it didn't help I know. And and she went glories once and went to United Artists which was set up by many actors, including Mary Pickford to get more creative control head Korea. But I think that women in particular thing to suffer the most in Hollywood they're rule breakers. I think maybe that is a find that this little niggling thing that a little unfair about Sunset Boulevard is how judgmental it can. Sometimes be about Norma Desmond when she was a brave. Brave woman as even to mill says he sticks up her as being like a lot of heart because you had to be silent film star. Yeah. And I love the relationship in real life. You know, she did call him missed a deal throughout their whole career together. And she write about him in autobiography, and she writes something like he will his boldness like an expensive hat as if it were out of the question for him to have hair like other men. Into my life. Now. About how when they asked me west to be this may west couldn't rubber head around the idea that people wouldn't think she was just obviously hot. And like, what's so weird? Choose sixty time just so confident to what's what's weird about this? Of course, I'd have a younger lover. Yeah. Where does this movie fall for you? You know, obviously you've seen thousands of movies. Does this stand out to you in any way, eight does? And it's a kind of movie that every time I watch it. I get something different out of it like when I was a teenager. I watched this film. I did something similar to what you guys doing got out a list of kind of the greatest films of all time decided to watch all of it. I had some sense of the Hollywood industry from reading books, but I didn't really know too much about it. So then when I moved over here to Los Angeles. And I watched it again that was a different experience saying the city and trying to place where everything was happening, and then after working in a film industry around the film industry now watching it, it's a whole new experience. And I just watched it last night. And I enjoyed it just as much if not more now that I've been diving more into the silent films, and now that I've done more research into this side of film history. I was kinda surprised to see that. After this film glorious wants. And doesn't have a resurgence. You know, because she's so fantastic. You would think everyone would be jumping to be like put her in this movie putting this, but but she really kinda just does one other film. And then, you know, then shows up twenty years later and something else, you know, in a very small part. What do you think that was I think that has a lot to do with age? And Hollywood, you know, it seems to be the case often that way allow these performances from women as they get old up. But it's kind of like, well, we let you do that. And you did your thing. Now. Now, go back home and saying you box, and we see that kind of thing happen with site Bette Davis and Jan Crawford as they got older. And they did what what happened to baby Jane? But they still struggled after that to get even more roles said just because he get the one great role as a woman when you all it doesn't mean it's going to continue from there whereas William Holden that was really the beginning of his career. And then he went on to great heights after that, can you tell us a little bit about your newest book because I I very. Sighted to read it, but I want everyone else know about this. Because I think it's a great topic to talk about. And I feel like yes told me. Yeah. Yeah. After I write backwards ending heels that was about the history of women in Hollywood. I kept getting us the same question, which was a case. A how can I as an audience member support women in Hollywood and let people know that we wanna see all opportunities for same out direct is. And so I always say watch the movies because every stream every download every ticket sold really sends a message to Hollywood. So I decided to put together a list of some my favorite movies directed by women, and I kept it to directing. I was going to do writings, and we're talk as well. As so many things I could do but just in the interest of time kept it to right, directing. But then I was able to have so many other great film critics that I admire like a me right here. Give their iron essay there. I in many pace on a film that they love directed by women. So it's not just my voice to end up with fifty. Two different films directed by women. So you could do one awake. If you want to do the women in film challenge. But hopefully, just gets people thinking it's gets on the coffee tables. And if you'll stock the what to watch you can rate for that and say something completely different than support women. It's I did Penelope sewers the decline of western civilization part one and two I love those movies so much. They're not eligible for the af I list because they're documentaries. But there are the euro female defends on the af I list, and you know, what do you think could get on? If we ever do another af eyelids. Well, I think that there's so many films that should be part of this list, so many filmmakers that should be represented. Dorothy is not absolutely as one, and my favorite film has dense guilt dance from nineteen forty which does Lucille bowl and Maureen O'Hara, and this was Lille bowl one of the first movies and really made her big star. And it speaks a lot about women entertainment. But it's a great film. We have Isla pain the hitchhiker. Which I say talk about in my book that was the fest film Noir, directed by a woman in the studio system, she was an actress turned director, and then when you get to the seventy. I just saw for free right now on the internet on to it. It's like dark and wonderful. I'm so glad I live in, you know, not many any fame out characters in their very masculine story. And it is definitely a film Noah, and then when you get to the seventies people like Elaine may, I mean, Mikey and NICKY, I would put on that. I mean, I think that this list really represents who we allow to create film Coccia, and what ends up being on the canon, and then what ends up being studied. Because obviously these lists a perfect for people who are trying to get into classic, film dot weta stop. But if we exclude fame out direct is then we're just excluding them from history. And that's not right at all. My wife said something that stuck out to me that kinda ties to title of your book, which was we saw wonder woman together, and she loved it so much and we're talking about it. And she's just said, you know, I think one of the things that I loved about this movie was seeing this woman. Not through a male gaze like, you know. So it was she was never sexualize. But she was powerful. And it was like an when she said that it was something that always stuck out to me as well. Yeah, you're right. When you when you look back on all, you know, these bad ass like women movies, most of the time, it's a very through a male perspective. And it's very sexualize. It's I mean, it's been one of the most difficult things is because film is so important to me. It's given me so much in my life. But I've had dosa grappa with how much of a damage is done on my own selfish esteem, saying this volume of films where women shunted aside with traded as of Jake's with sexualize, and you can't help comparing yourself to what's on screen. It just gets in this of consciously let alone if you're a person of color, and you don't see yourself represented on screen. I think that's why it's so important that we talk about these films and study a wide variety of movies and let people in its to even thinking about it. Even the the scene here in the movie Max's like yes, when movies started there were three major directors. There was a mill there was Griffith. And there was me. I would now now that we're talking I'm like, oh, what about Lois Weber's highest paid? Biggest blockbuster director ever left out of this movie in nineteen fifty left out of the conversation until now exactly what about Alice, Gabe, the one of the very fest filmmakers in the whole entire weld who was just as innovative as Griffiths. I mean, there's so many examples of that. And we could even go back one step further, and you say like, I think if you look at this list, many thousand films in this that's a huge part of if you're doing the hundred best, you know, films that should include silent films that shouldn't just include two or three. There's some tap thin films later on when there was sound sunrise coming up, which I can't wait to we have the general, but it's pretty it's pretty thin. I mean, it's one hundred but this is just talking to you. And and and you know, I feel like the story feels. More like today than it than it ever. Does. I mean, all the references all the way that Hollywood is it it is the same. I think it it shows of something that I could relate to so much. Yeah. Well, thank you guys for having made. That let you before we go the female, gaze and backwards and in heels. All right. Great. Thank you so much. Thank you. Obviously this movie is a classic were there any in a negative reaction system. There were actually there were. And this is from a guy named Philip hamburger. He wrote for the New Yorker at the time, I'll read clips of it. Because actually when I was going through his review most of it is just plot summary. Andro hates this movie. But I find a little unclear into why he doesn't really prove it was actually kind of badly written review. But here are the highlights of Philip hamburgers pan sensible of art. He writes in his opening line, not believed unfortunate aspect of Sunset Boulevard. A pretentious slice of Rockford. Starring glorious Watson is the fact that the narrator is a corpse in four hundred words a plot. Summary describes the entire thing up until the ending and patting his rent, and he just closes out with basically this since boulevard contains the germ of a good idea. It's a pity that it wasn't better written. He calls it, then a tone poem that substitutes snappy photography entitled for what could have been a genuine. Only moving tragedy, which is interesting. I'm wondering about a version of this film that was genuinely moving genuinely complicated -ly. He says fill it seems to me that the author is never quite made up their minds whether they were with Mr. Mond or against her there moments when they appear to have a healthy cynicism toward Hollywood past and present. But before the film's over it is quite evident that they have a pretty unhealthy contempt for aging stars. He comes all the actors, but he says, they're combined highly skilled efforts cannot cover up the essential hollowness of this enterprise. Interesting. I feel like whenever I read a review that swipes something. So major like if you're looking for a dramatically moving story, there is a version of this to tell I feel it consciously isn't going there. I mean, I would love to see that too. I think tell the story that way it's not that. I always get hung up on reviews say like I wish it was this. We'll know, but it's not I think you can say that when it's not when it's going for. That and fails this movie decidedly is not going in that direction. Love to see that version to get. I would love to see the compelling Marlon Brando acted human version this film, but you're right. It's not this film. Yeah. It's it's it's really. Yeah. But it's an interesting point for another film now did the Simpsons ever since. And I have to imagine that it will break our streak this week. The Simpsons did not reference it why what is happening. Drawn is really creating these interesting power shift for us. Sure, sure. They don't have a balcony scene in the show. We're going closest I could find was from an interview that Matt Groening did with Nathan Rabin from the onion onion where Nathan asks him about. How he saw on Mets Wikipedia entry that when he first moved to LA he worked as a biographer for an elderly director, and what it was like. Meghan says. Yeah, I worked for this ninety three year old guy calling him a movie director is probably a little exaggerated. It's true. He directed. A couple b westerns, but he was mostly behind the scenes guy. He didn't have much of a career of that. He had seen this ad in the LA times that said wanted writer chauffeur, and then my growing says, and I had seen Billy wilder movie Suns at boulevard. So I knew what I was in for. I got the job. Them says was he Norman Desmond like figure any says well a little bit. I remember buying him his nightly steak at the gourmet on the corner of sunset in Fairfax and paying more for the piece of meat than I made in two days. So he alludes Sunset Boulevard, but he didn't ever reference it that I can tell so interesting because it's such an iconic film. So many ways, you know, who did and I don't like to post from other stuff because I don't want to expand. Yes are Simpson's narrow trajectory. But this is a life thing. It wasn't from a TV show. This is the Muppets when the Muppets got their star on the walk of fame. Burgess really happy. Joining some of the greatest show biz records. Pearled? Bergen judge Judy. Actually Norma Desmond fictional. That's great. I love it. Always welcome them up. It's clip. Now, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the extra life that Sunset Boulevard has which is this musical. I didn't see it. But people love this musical. She wanted Tony award for it. It was written by Andrew Lloyd Webber, but the musical is actually in production or the idea to make it into a musical started back in nineteen fifty seven, and they wanted you know, they wanted a glorious wants to be in it. Gloria she had energy men. She always wanted to do a Sunset Boulevard musical. She was trying to do it. Right after this movie came out. So crazy. It's okay. Let's listen to a little bit of land close because to me Glenn Close. I worry that she could be at risk of being forgotten because this woman has not yet won an Oscar. She has been trying to win an Oscar. Every year. She does something worthy of an Oscar every year. She gets shut out just the way. Gloria did you know when Gloria last to Judy Holliday? She was put in your couldn't waited till next year. And I wonder I mean, I don't want Glenn to have to get to that position. Because Glenn has deserved an Oscar has never quite gotten it bliss nursing because she's an amazing, Sarah. One two. Oh. I'm saying. And you know, what that was Android Webber's musical? But Stephen sometime also tried to make it into a musical, but stopped after he approached Billy wilder at a party and said, I wanna make this and Billy wilder said, you can't make it into musical at needs to be an opera, and that was it. So he's okay. You got won't do it. And besides launching musicals. This also has an interesting connection we mentioned earlier Mulholland Drive. David Lynch plays the character. Gordon Cole into impeach. Which is the character. That cease will be to mill calls the guy who wants who wants Norma Desmond's car and a clip of Sunset Boulevard is actually played in twin peaks return it actually wakes up agent. Dale Cooper from his slumber because David Lynch said that this is one of his favorite films. So another way this movie keeps on influencing the world, not the Simpsons. But at least when peaks which is kind of like the live action version of the Simpsons we. Talk so much about that final line her big monologue at the end, I'm ready for my closeup. But the part I really wanna play is just a minute before that she starting to walk down the stairs. Because I really liked the max character to be on us. There's an argument that he's maybe responsible for all of this because he's been gas lighting thinking, he more famous may be dealt with more directly. She wouldn't be acting like this who knows. But what I find so beautiful about her walking down. The staircase is max you hear it in his voice? He goes from trying to her Butler, helping her just get through this to being her director for the very last time, really full circle. I mean. Yeah. This whole men, and I love that change in him in his performance. I mean Stroheim called this just like that Butler role. But I. Aided being associated with listening because he had to do so many roles after that he could never be seen. Not as the Butler. What are you gonna do these fantastic? Everybody. Ready? What is the scene? Stack. He's the palace. Oh. They waiting for the Princess. So the movie is sixteen on the FIS two thousand seven list and twelve on the list, I had to say that I feel like this definitely belongs on the list of the films that we've seen. It's something. That is definitely higher up for me. I think it it feels like this in double indemnity together. You know, I don't know if you need to put him so closely together, they're both great. Maybe I would move this above double indemnity. I don't know. Now, I'm arguing that in my head 'cause double indemnity is such a classic our story, this has elements of nor. But I think it's a little bit different than more. I don't know. I I like it. I'm going to say a little too high. That's my gut. I'm just going with my gut this moment, I'm not saying that needs to be dropping, you know, tens and tens of points. I'm just saying, but maybe a little bit too high. I mean, this might be a crazy thing design will try to explain it in the most clear way. So it sounds like making some sort of human sense. But I feel that if this movie with the quality that it has with the wit that has the style that it has if it was not about Hollywood itself would not be. So why it I notice there's no way to peace that really apart? What I'm saying sounds insane. But I do think because I would love the referential movies about itself. It is high. You're been a movie of comparible things about insurance salesman, and Kansas would be okay. That's not. I don't know. Whether even means just saying that. Yeah. I talk. Why wonder if because it nailed Hollywood so perfectly. It's why it's on the list because you know, most people who are voting on this don't know what it's like to be an insurance salesman, Kansas. So they don't see they can't go that movie is so true. Like, I I I maybe it's easier to get on this. 'cause like, oh, yeah. This is true. I I look at this moving. This is true. This is I I recognize this as the Hollywood that is existing of this day. So there is a relevance to it that the people who are voting on this can time-tested lycee. Yep. Still works, you know. And I think maybe that's a good point about how these movies kinda get up there. There's nothing Hollywood loves more than commemorating. Hollywood movie is great. This movie is great. I am surprised that it's so beloved you get really what would you take this thing in the ring? Go quick gut reaction to it. The rain. I I would go to seeing the rain to I, and that's a gun to my head total that and then that's part of me being like is to put I would put I would put. Oh my God. Silence. Yeah. That is part of me being like is there a world? I would put baby Jane on this instead. And maybe so that's just in the back of my head. And there's a lot more Billy wilder to come. We've already Billy wilder. 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Flashback: The Apartment (1960)

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Flashback: The Apartment (1960)

"Hello and welcome to flashbacks laced. Podcast about older and classic movies. I'm movie critic. Dana stevens. And i'm year as always distantly talking in the ether. Chaos and collins of rolling stone cam. How's it going pretty good. This is our fiftieth. Show that we've ever done so happy fiftieth. And so you picked this episodes choice. The apartment the billy wilder movie from nineteen sixty as a kind of celebratory piece. Why did it feel that way to you. Think i chose it because it was a movie. I hadn't seen in a while and you know i mean people didn't hear this had a whole bunch of crazy ideas for what to choose but this winter's felt like the right one i will say though. I saw a me immediately after choosing it and noticed that in sunset boulevard norma desmond is fifty and that would have been same director another great best picture winner at would also have been appropriate but i think i was jonesing shirley maclaine. Gosh one of my favorite favorite favorite actors. This is one of my favorite of her performances. And i was in the mood for some white screen blackened way and some awkwardness and some nationis and some cuckolding and hit the spot. At least for me. This movie i mean. I feel like i can remember each individual screening of it in my life. Even though i've seen it a lot and that they all have just the feeling of compactness and satisfaction. You know this movie has this kind of compact perfection. That is all about the writing. Is it really written movie. And i'm sure we'll talk about that and you know just how the screenplay which is by billy wilder and i all diamond his writing partner for many years and also for their previous movie. I think some like it hot both wrote together they just have this snap crackle kind of dialogue really tight story construction you know. How many moments in the apartment do you stop. Just say like oh the way that secret was revealed was so economical right like the way that this detail gave away something about the character this detail of the set or costume. There's just a tremendous almost like domino. Like set of you know story events setting off other story events. That's very and i'm glad you said that because one of the things that i came prepared to say today was also that i've seen it a number of times as well but there are things that i forget about in terms of where they happen in the sequence of the story because of the emotional beeps that they hit for example. I was maybe an hour and a half into the movie as like wait. Did i miss the spaghetti thing. It's something that i would think would somehow earlier because there's so many complicated emotions throughout the movie. But it's generally kind of something that in my mind. I placed pre hill swallowing shirley maclaine because i kind of am so sad after that for that makes me realize that it is oddly placed right in the classic romantic comedy up. It'd be establishing the way he lives. This is his bachelor lifestyle. Right and i noticed you see the tennis racket on many occasions. There's a lot of shots that have the tennis racket in. The background is sort of like the chekhov gun. That's going to go off but yet it's like a romantic comedy beat. That happens after a suicide attempt which is a very bold thing to do. That's exactly what. I was feeling that you're the tightness and everything that you're talking about. And the wonderful construction of the movie. Visually and writing lies acting all of it. It just makes you notice things that feel out of place but that are really just dynamic adventurous and pretty incredible choices made in the writing. Yeah definitely one of the best best picture winners. I think i and i'm looking at the films that was nominated against and Yeah i agree with the. I haven't seen all of them. But i gotta say with these actor choices. I love elizabeth taylor. I think that surely was robbed. I love taylor win for butterfield. Eight that you did. Yeah i love. I love burt lancaster. But i feel like. I'm howling at the moon by criticizing academy choice but i just disagree. I- disrespectfully disagree. I think as good as the writing is the micro expressions on these actors faces and the entire cast but particularly these to the ways that they can anchor us emotionally in these wide images in which they are sometimes intentionally meant to be sort of lost in the clutter the gestures that i mean we gotta talk about shirley maclaine in the way she pushes elevator buttons which the first time. I saw this movie house like okay. I'm i'm all in purely because of the way that she does that circle. Why don't you vote for best actress for that alone. I like but that's you speaks to the academy's longtime resistance to comedy right. Which makes it almost amazing did win. All of those top prizes because it was a funny movie and it was marketed as a funny movie and yet it got that kind of recognition that funny movies usually don't instill don't you know i mean i gotta say even our pow bosley likes this movie. Bazi crowder usually agree with him but even he was all in on this really that seems like among the criticism that i read. I don't know if you've found this as well. There were the objections to the ways in which it's a movie about sex in so many ways but it does seem like even the grump scott it. we'll polling kale. Didn't like it which is interesting but apparently kale never liked billy wilder. And there's some fun stuff in that wonderful book of interviews. That cameron crowe did with billy wilder. Which whenever billy wilder's name comes up. I talk about that book because it's really a great way to get to know him. It's essentially unedited conversations. The two of them had over a period of months. But there's a very funny moment. We're billy wilder just frankly acknowledges. Oh yeah. Pauline could never stand me. But i still like her writing. She's a great critic. He has a lot of equanimity about whether or not. She prefers his movies but the thing that she didn't like about his movies seems especially not apropos of the apartment. Which is that. I think she thought he was sort of like a cold technical craftsman on him with something like oh yes. The laughs come at their correct places. But it's all very calculated and mechanical or something like that which you'd have to have a real windfall of amazing comedies around you find this comedy. Something wrote and mechanical. But i think the apartment you could maybe argue as one of the warmest movies. Billy wilder ever made an unpredictable. One to me that there are the things about it that stack up and make sense no happy endings etc. But i again as at the academy dear pauline respect you but i disrespected disagree with that take. I don't see it. i think what's really remarkable about this movie and the reason i'm glad we're talking about it is because i'm still surprised by and i'm still finding things in it and i don't know how i would have felt if had been always advertise to me as a comedy as such because i think part of what's so timeless about it. Is this grave proximity to real sorrow and real loneliness and that's something that comes across in the performances and it comes across in the staging in the office and in the apartment. And i don't know. I don't see that but a question i had for you. Actually because we're talking about billy wilder whose man someone who had hits i would say. Where's this fall for you in the billy wilder matrix was going to say some other word. That was more sports like because used to work at the ringer. A used to work at a sports. Say but i'm not going to use one of those words but where does this fall for. You is billy wilder kind of one of your guys. I say is billy while they're one of my guys I think i would say that. He is in the sense that he's to me. In the pantheon of you know directors who could not be imitated right who created. an of. That's entirely there. Is and i in that of but i feel he's not one of my original guys. You maybe became more one of my guys. As i got older and more of his movies and started to get a sense of his sensibility. Outside of the you know you might think of as the big five or so sunset boulevard. This some like it hot. I mean the ones that would be in any billy. Wilder retrospect but then when you start digging into really cynical comedies like ace in the hole journalism comedy or stalag. Seventeen straight dramas. That he did he was comparable. But what i say. He's one of the closest to my heart directors. Maybe not and maybe that has to do with the technical capability kale is talking about. But i do find many of his movies enormously moving. This may be the most among them. Right i mean this may be the movie that most manages to chart some sort of happy ending some sort of humanist or hopeful path through this very cynical vision that wilder films tend to have on the social world and i really hope we get into that in our conversation. I mean this is a romance. Rate is a great romantic comedy. But it's also kind of a social tragedy you know and the social problem is not solved at all at the end is just simply that art hero and heroine kind of managed to carve out a different space within it. Yeah i mean man to people who could use a union. Say i think just because unionizing is in the air and media right now. I just kept thinking. Y'all need a union and hr office our office and all kinds of things need to happen. And i think that's part of what is so timeless about it personally wilder. He's funny. Because i feel like i remember the moment in college when i realized that sunset boulevard and this movie and some like it hot were all directed by the same person and a memorable thing for me because so often we think of o tours number. Speaking of using kind of the tourist language of that school of criticism we think about personal style and sense of consistency. And i think the cynicism that you're pointing out is something that is consistent throughout his career. But i think that what's really powerful about louder who for some reason. I also wouldn't put in my like high echelon despite being on the verge of saying something that would justify putting him there. I just think it's remarkable about him. Is you know as the kids say online. He has the range. I think about how good these films across his career aren including films like the lost weekend which is not a phone that i think people talk about as often anymore but one of the best film watching experiences of my life was actually. This is weird but it was a when hurricane. Sandy was hitting my roommate's night before we lost power. The lost weekend was on. You must've see. I don't know who else have been showing it and we didn't know anything about it. I didn't know that it was really wild. Movie we just started watching it. And you know those experiences where you're watching a film and you just are so enwrapped film ends and you realize you didn't get up like you didn't stop watching the movie. You could have changed the channel that was experience with stumbling into sunset boulevard for the first time as a kid double. Indemnity is the whole. He's really done that to me a number of times and and the apartment like once i start watching this movie. I can't not see where things go because of the construction and how quickly it's established guys locked out of his apartment for the most silly and the forest and uncomfortable reasons. I can't not see where that goes. Yeah i think that affect you're talking about of you sit down to watch it and then suddenly it's over has everything to do with what i was talking about. You know. But just about those tightly interwoven stories that just catch you up in their reds so given that billy wilder is as much characterizes a writer as he is director right. You know his what his tombstone says right. It's one of my favorite inscriptions on. Its billy wilder in the span of his life. And it says i'm a writer. Nobody's perfect and that was what he'd written for his own tombstone. So he conceived himself very much as a writer and i thought you might have something to say about how the writer league nature of his work kind of ties into our conversation here. Why it's worth. I apologised little wilder history. This is again a director that we're covering whose hollywood career is part the story of fleeing from the nazis. But you know. He was writing in germany. Starting nineteen twenty nine and before he moved to the us. And i believe it was the thirties before he directed a film for the first time in one thousand nine hundred eighty four and there was a gap between that film and the next film. He directed in nineteen forty two but in the missa value had over twenty films that he had written and it's a mix so he had for example a ball of fire. The howard hawks film that is under seen in part. Because it's kind of a little bit harder to see notch scud the lubich foam and i mean again. His comedy chops. I think are really key and key to what we're talking about with his cynicism were talking about with the rhythm and the structure of his foams nineteen forty four examples when double indemnity comes out. That's noir. he jumped around a lot. But what seems to be really. Consistent is very sharp writing and sharp writing in terms of keen structure but also good lines. I mean nobody's perfect is the great closing line of some like it hot and it sort of one of those. I've noticed you had to be there. Lines where i've mentioned how funny it is. I think because anthony lane the name of his collection of reviews put out a number of years ago is nobody's perfect. Which is referenced to some like it hot but you kind of have to hear it in the movie to understand why it would be the kind of thing that billy wilder would put on his tombstone or why it's so memorable but this foam is good. Mix of great lines in exquisite complicated setup and elements of surprise in terms of where things are going emotionally. And that's something that's true of all the films of his that. I've seen just these rate premises ace in the whole amazing premise sunset. Boulevard last weekend which gets a kind of verbal nod in towards the end of this movie win shula. Mcclain's brother-in-law shows up. Someone mentions last weekend. All these things are like really exquisitely setup but i think what distinguishes wilder and i think where you can see him his skill and his maturity as a writer. Really coming out in this movie. Is that for all the ways. The setups very clear. The ways that emotionally it gets so much more tangled as you go along the dramatic irony. You know the ways that we kind of know whose apartment is by the time shirley maclaine gets there. But she doesn't now the ways that we know. She's with the boss. But jack lemmon doesn't know that yet amend the ways of these things come out and the power that they have when they do. It takes great actors to get that. The actors are working with a great script and while kind of famous for not really allowing much in the way of improvisation except for a few things. That jack lemmon doesn't this movie some of those memorable things that i'm glad that while they're allowed involving tennis racket. Yeah it seems like they. They evolved gags because also that moment when he squirts the eye drops. Which for some reason always makes me laugh so hard just not expecting basically spit take in the midst of this verbal comedy scene right but that was limits ideas. Well let lemon loose you know. I can't say november obviously going to get into the actors but you know. I think we should also point out that it was partially because of the success of some like it hot that they did this phone that they this collaboration and it really feels like. I don't know if you know this. I don't know but it feels like a movie that was written for jack. Lemmon that's true. I think that can be true because of how long the idea had been around. Do you know the story of the german nation of the script at all that. It is actually related to another movie. A movie that i would have loved to talk about on flashback at some point which is brief encounter. The david lean movie from nineteen hundred five right so brief encounter if you haven't seen it as this achingly romantic it's based on an old coward play this essentially missed counter right between this married woman and a man that she loves but ends up giving up at the end okay. I spoiled it for you. It's been decades could deal world war one era people so apparently wilder had seen brief encounter in nineteen forty five loved it and the idea that he came out of the theater with was because there's a moment in brief encounter where these two ill fated lovers meet and somebody else's apartment some chinooks apartment right. I mean in the language of the apartment and we never hear any more about that guy they have an encounter there and then they leave and billy walked out and made some note about what about the guy who gets home with his borrow. Department sheets are still warm from this couple. That was lying in them. What's his story and he couldn't make that story at that time because it was nineteen forty five. It was too racy of a story. In fact there were even problems as late as nineteen sixty with the content of the story so basically he sat on that idea for all those years and you know luckily than found lemon who was exactly born to play that shuki the navigation nourishes probably my favorite movie nevis. And there's so many to pick from but you know what you're saying about it not being appropriate for the time that he can. Tv ideas really interesting to me. Because i don't know if you feel this way but even watch it now. This is a very adult film. I don't mean like adult in x. rated. I mean as i get older more of the movie reveals itself to me. The dimensions of the movie and the romantic complications and the labor complications is this a grown ass movie in the guise of something that feels like it leans toward something lighter and less substantial than it is. Because this is such a ridiculous scenario it makes complete sense that you walk out of a drama as devastating as brief encounter with the silliest idea about the silliest detail and wanna make a movie and spent a comedy out of that idea that has a lot of those two i mean that as the germinating image for this movie you know the idea of just coming back home in your sheets are warm from some more successful guy getting it on your bed. There's also just a real tawdry kind of melancholy to that. This movie is very sensitive. To and i think at the time by some reviewers it was regarded as tasteless right. But i think if there's one thing that you could say is that it handles all of these questions that are so potentially demeaning as to what goes on in the apartment and you know what kind of moral compromises cc. Baxter character has to make for that. It handles it with an enormous amount of delicacy delicacy. Toward i have to say some of the paulie hansie bosses the fred macmurray ilk absolutely i mean i think part of the reason that lemmon is so that you just feel like it's part written for him is because it's a really delicate line. He has to walk in this foam. First of all. I think about just his body and the sort of the smallness of his head in these huge spaces and the slow his shoulders and the way that he just has a body that compared to the other men surrounding him imposing themselves on him he just feels like he was built to be imposed on. And this is something that really i think. He uses well throughout his career. But probably for me never better than here. You see him in the space of this movie and it just makes sense that he's the doormat but he also has these really complicated moral choices to make like the ways that he covers for shirley maclaine for example when he's interacting with the doctor you take onto himself in a way and part of you're talking about like the delicacy is because a lot of that is placed onto the apartment it's like the apartment is being prostituted here and like he's kind of being prostituted here and even though we know that this involves the women and they're sort of being used by their bosses displays so much of onto jack lemmon. You really need a particular kind of man to play that role. And i think he fits like lock and key. Only one key not to keys. Yes something that. My partner observed. That was so smart as we were watching this together had to do with the physicality of the other actors particularly the men. Who aren't jack lemmon. How they seem to come from a different era film. History right for example fred macmurray who plays michelle drake the boss of the jack lemmon character and shirley maclaine as we come to learn lover and walston as his wonderfully starkey friend who sort of sits around like a greek chorus commenting all the women that come in through the apartment. They seem to come from older hollywood. And there's something modern about both jack lemmon and shirley maclaine just in their bearing in this sort of naturalness of their delivery that they seem to belong to this new era. You know the post studio era in a way that the supporting characters don't really matches sort of the implicit or explicit dynamics of the movie which is that there at the bottom rung. and you know. I love a good metaphor. I love some listen. So the elevator thing in itself the changing of floors the ways that she's on the way up to hopefully if this guy gets divorced as he's been hanging over her head illegitimate relationship with this man and jack limits on his way up to just better better jobs because of the things that they're both sacrificing of themselves. But it makes sense that there would feel like there's this gap between this old guard of powerbrokers and these people who come off as younger and less cynical unless kind of keyed into that dynamic but also using it but being used so that makes a lot of sense to me. And i mean who could like. I look manly next to like fred macmurray and his head is like so much bigger than jack lemons and i don't see that in a derogatory way. He's bigger guys. Go football build. He could tackle jack them into the ground with no effort. Yeah i mean casting is just one of those many things that this movie nails on every level and i just must note also while we're talking about the old guard. Guys that ray walston has appeared in another movie we've talked about on flashback classic of the eighties and he is very iconic character and it could you know who i'm talking about. It's not immediately coming to mind. But he looks. Like i'd seen him in something recently but what was it aged incredibly well. He looks much the same. He's mr hand in fast times at ridgemont. High he's sean penn's nemesis I yeah and the director amy. Heckling was a huge fan of billy wilder regard him as a huge influence so she was utterly thrilled that she got billy wilder alumnus in her first movie bad. Oh that's amazing. Wow there's a lot of character actors in this. That i recognize from other things like jack christian. Who's the character actor who plays the jewish neighbor. Who thinks that jacqueline's character is up to all kinds of hijinks that he's not is just somebody. I saw everywhere in my child. He was on. Dragnet bonanza he was on colombo he was just sort of the tv big hearty stocky guy so it was fun to see him also in the early sixties kind of starting his comedy career. Also just another great actor in this film who was nominated for an academy award but did not win as much shaded the academy as i can throw. It didn't win for cinematography either. But i'll get there. I guess there are people out. There haven't seen this so we should probably tell them about what this is about. Yikes just to set it out there. If you haven't seen the movie you should really see it before this conversation. And if not for sure see it after we are introduced to this world which seems to be contemporary new york in nineteen sixty through the eyes of cc. Baxter played by jack lemmon and i believe when we first hear him is a wild and we see him right. We have a sort of what would now be a drone shot over. New york may be a model for all. I know as we hear him talk about. Actually this this image of loneliness right that if you could take every person in the city and line them up end to end they would reach taiwan or whatever. Statistic is in this voiceover that opens the film. He comes office this well. I mean i think part of the punchline is when he eventually reveals that he works at an insurance company. Because you know i. It's just the statistics about the city about his workplace and yeah without even needing to say it. He immediately characterized himself as someone who perhaps lacks a social life because he has a lot of room in his brain for these meaningless figures on november. First nineteen fifty-nine. The population of new york city was eight million. Forty two thousand seven hundred and eighty three. If you laid all these people end to end figuring an average height of five six and a half inches they would reach from times square to the of karachi pakistan. I know factually this. Because i worked for an insurance company consolidated life of new york. We're one of the top five companies in the country. A home office has thirty. One thousand two hundred and fifty nine employees which is more than the entire population of matches mississippi i worked on the nineteenth floor. But we start at work. We get to the office. It's an amazing set. But i think it was designed to evoke one of the great silent era films king fighters crowd and it's these long rows of lights in the desks and just office drones. But we're set up to okay a normal day at the workplace in the sixty s in insurance job right lake the epitome of an open floor plan. Can i make one note about that. Look stolen from king. Viewed wars the credit just that in both cases it was done with forced perspective. So because they didn't have a lot of space and a lot of extras you know. They used basically smaller smaller desks. And i believe in the case of the apartment actually children in the very back desks so that the people would appear to be smaller. The cool thing about that scene but the poorest perspective also in addition to saving money does something to those scenes in both movies where it gives that room a very hallucinatory an unpleasant look very much that look of the faceless mid twentieth century workspace absolutely and it's amazing how anonymous he seems even as he's completely grounded in the We really primarily if not almost totally see the office from perch right in front of his desk like the does set you up to seeing this and seeing him in that space and hearing the voice over for the obvious what comes next which is and then. He goes home and he lives his boring life. But that's immediately. It's like very soon in the movie that the movie sort of takes a right turn. Because he can't get into his apartment like immediately sets us up for. Why can't he get into his apartment. What's going on in his apartment. Why is he hanging around outside instead of going home. And that's when we see one of his higher believe at this point. It's mr dobie coming out of the building with a woman and then we get to him going upstairs to his apartment finally and cleaning up after them and trying to find something to watch on tv and the whole boring routine. But it's interrupted by this kind of mystery of an interaction with a neighbor him kind of being suspicious outside. I'm reminded of one of the first films. we did. Actually for the podcasts of gas lights on the exterior shots of that building and waiting outside the there's an air a little bit of mystery. But it's jack lemmon so i know that there's a punchline to it and the punchline really i mean these the joke i think and the cuckolding is the joke but i can't put my finger on win as a viewer. I realize the full extent of what's going on here. Yeah i think that this sequence you might say this early first ten fifteen minutes where you figure out what the deal is with this apartment and why the guy has been kicked out of it is a lot of what i was talking about about how this screenplay signifies so well through just little bits of business or props or outside the screenplay production design that apartment which is so perfect for the character so unusual for the time you know it just seems like a much smaller and more cluttered and more sort of realistically shabby apartment. Then you attend to see someone living in in a hollywood movie at that time. Right clutter is very specific. Design is by alexander crowder. Who is this great production designer much more known for huge sweeping things like you've seen children of paradise. The french movies that right. I mean this incredible sweeping multigenerational epic with you know glorious carnival street scenes anyway. The fact that he had this pedigree of making these big european epics and then made this very kind of miniaturised. Hollywood film. I think he really condensed a lot of love into that set so i feel like i figured it out. I mean it's hard for me to know. Because i saw this movie so long ago for the first time that i can't imagine not knowing. Cc baxter situation but you know when he started emptying the ash trays and you know. There's lipstick on the cigarettes. I can't remember if there's a voice over in that scene and he's telling us anything. But i just remember being really impressed. At how little exposition there was in that section of something could easily have been set up. We've got voiceover right but we have them just explained the whole thing. We can have a flashback. My boss called me to his office and said will you do x. y. and z. And this is really an example. I think of something that billy wilder did a lot which almost like accordion scenes together often talked about how in some like it hot. The moment that the two men come up with this idea that they're going to escape from the gangsters by going and drag right. We just have them as men talking about it. Oh maybe we should try this and then cut to them. Dressed as women full makeup going to apply for a job so he wasn't interested in the moment in between where there gradually transforming. And i sort of see that in the beginning of this movie too. I feel like it accordions together a lot of experiences and two if you seen this really funny tension between on the one hand actually the script is giving us little hints in the interactions of the house with his neighbors on his way up to the apartment. You know the one neighbor. Who's like maybe you have a burglar. Because i heard a lot of in there or that whole sequence where they're talking about him carrying all the empty bottles of his apartment and the doctor's like your liver must be made of iron. Would you mind actually donating your body to science weird done because of all the sector having all the ways that you're jinking right like this funny tension but also i'm remembering win. It is that it becomes clear. What's happening because it's a weird scenario like. I don't think that you could totally map out. Even just from these details that what he's doing is lending his apartment out to more powerful men to bring their various office mistresses like. I don't think that you really know that much until that first night in the apartment when he gets a call about someone else wanting to use his apartment that night. That's what it is he's flipping. Tv he's finally eating dinner and now he asked to vacate his apartment again. And maybe the fact that he feels so obligated to get the apartment and sort of gives into this. I mean that's a lot of character in itself but also this is when we get him leaving and going to park and that great great shot of the completely empty row of benches just shooting diagonally across the screen and him taking a c. Yeah that's such a mixture of loneliness. It's like something out of kurosawa's cure. Something i mean. It's it's this real image of this sort of mid-century alienation. Apparently that was a real outdoor scene in the snow and lemon really did get a cold and had a cold for those parts of the movie where his character has. One and billy wilder was happy about that. Be buzz so that you might say sort of chapter one that introduces you to the problem. The situation the main character. There's somebody else important to come. And we encounter her in the very next seen on the elevator. You wanna talk about fran. Kubelik talk about from so. After this awkward night. He has to go to work the next day. He of course has a cold because he was. I don't think it's implied that he slept on the bench on night but he was clearly there for a while and the meek q. Of this movie which is not really. The first time they've met is getting on the elevator and misspend kubelik shirley. Maclaine is the elevator operator. And there's a series of scenes involving the two of them talking on the elevator and this one happened in the other people there. I don't know if you've noticed this but the body language was really interesting because in both cases as he's being kind of nerdy and kind of adorable and has a cold in china. Strike up a conversation with her. Geez you know entertaining conversation. She's very kind. She's play and not just being nice with us. They could being nice. You comes off as very sweet sincere person and asked about as cold mali's things but in both cases her back to him and it's like the body language is already telling us that whatever flirtation that he is trying to engage here as far as she's concerned she's taken so she's not entertaining his sort of jokey cuteness in that way but she is being very kind to him so it feels like a cue. That's doomed from the start of the fact that he's just not on her radar at all. He's just a writer on the elevator that she sees every day. So this second chapter of the movie we could say begins with this. I wouldn't call the montage but a a sequence that focuses on cca baxter's ascension of the corporate ladder. I wonder if you have anything to say about this about. Especially his encounter with dre which was a name. Apparently billy wilder love to put in. Screenplays has several movies. with a character named sheldrakes. In this case it's the i mean what we would really consider to be a very toxically abusive boss of both of them and also the one who is secretly having the affair with frank you believe are the other celtics all. Is this like asshole codename. I'd have to go through. And gather all my sheldrakes. But i think that they tend to be regular guys. Excuse at somebody. To be sorry gathering you sheldrakes. He's an asshole. But this is sort of wary things. Like an actor's physical presence can matter because he's kind of at the top of the ladder and so. This is not even the first conversation that jacqueline's characters has about this. You know there are other lower down guys. Four other guys who are all using his apartment and they all want to use it like that week and he's sick and he's trying to get out of it and everyone is making these promises about promotions. But it's really win sheldrakes. The big brass calls him into the office that he thinks that he going to get that promotion and it starts off as a conversation where it feels like that might happen. Very imposing sheldrick. Sort of saying everyone recommends you very highly. And i think we realized before jack lemmon realizes that what sheldrick is ultimately saying in this conversation is you know i want to use the apartment to and then you really get a promotion. The guy who can really make the promotion those other guys. The other four. Don't matter as much as i do. I'm the one who is the boss of those guys. And that's why they've all reported to me that they all use your apartment within the various purposes. I happened also to the apartment. What he say. I'll change you some theater tickets. So obviously c. Baxter buddy boy as these guys call him. He's enamored of. Fran kubelik obviously the thing. He does the next time he sees her is to say. Hey you wanna go to the music man with me and they have a again another pleasant conversation but also kind of weird conversation. I don't know if you remember david. I think this is the moment where they're walking and he reveals like. Oh i know everything about you. I know how many siblings you have your social security number. This is one of the great things about mccain's performance that long traffic shot. that's moving. has they're moving down the street as he's asking her on this date and she's kind of noncommittally but sort of promising that you know. She has another date but yeah i'll go to the music manam issue. They're out in front of the theater but when he starts coming out with this stuff about all the things i know about you and the old actor that we meet at the of the movie with all of satistics starts coming out of all the ways to pick someone up. I don't think this is the way to go. I know your social security number and your address. Whatever but we're not great things about sheila cleaning one of the great things that big about the weight of his film is made. Is that because it's a long shot. You get to see how the conversation on her end turns from really pleasant or kind of like a mix of i like this guy. he's nice. he's a cute little dude in the office but also. I'm almost to this other appointment. That i have with the boss which is actually a date but also this guy suddenly saying all these things about me. How does he know that it's of course. Because he pulled her boyfriend carter or something. Because he's a nerd. I guess Is a strange way in which jack lemmon does something. That's very weird but doesn't come off as creepy as literally anyone else would. It's a bit of exposition to its. We're setting up the date and we're establishing or about to establish the person she's going on in actual date with is drink and the reason. That sheldrick needed jacqueline's apartment is because he is going to be bringing fran kubelik back to that apartment and he doesn't know that he doesn't know that show. Jake is bringing this particular woman back to his apartment. I'm not something that he figures out later but yeah they don't get to see that show right. And here's one of the tragedies. Is that neither of them. Went to see the music man. Its original run on broadway. I really want those tickets. And i'm extremely upset that nobody used them. So yeah there's a very sad stand up scene where we see jack lemmon waiting outside the music man with the two tickets. The bosses give him so once again. Dramatic irony is really powerful there and a kind of unusual framing of that shot limit is waiting outside. It's almost romantic and melancholy in a way that while there didn't usually do and then the the emotional shift between the you know i wouldn't call it upbeat but there's been sort of snappy relaying of new information to the viewer this whole time since the movie started right as we learned the setup cc baxter's etc and this scene with sheldrick where she meets him for a drink and then essentially decides to spend the night with him move into this totally different register or just so effortlessly and beautifully and it suddenly becomes just a snapshot of what is clearly a kind of sado masochistic emotional relationship between these two right and that you get the sense immediately that it's a horrible relationship for her but one that she doesn't feel that she has the power or strength to get out of and it comes across in these tiny details for example. I mean you know that. They're not meant for each other when he criticizes her haircut. Can you imagine not thinking. Shirley maclaine haircut in the apartment was everything. But turn eliza like your older married lover sitting down and saying. I don't like your hair anymore. Why did you cut it that to me. Was almost shockingly insightful about female psychology gender relations and something that i feel like somebody could still cut you down with absolutely and you know i mean there's also as this stuff is happening right as a sheldrick and blake are on their date but also a little bit earlier win. Baxter is going up to subjects office. There are these telling because they're lingering kind of shots on the woman who secretary miss olsen played by eddie adams. There's like a way that she looks at baxter going into the office. There's also the way that. If you remember jake and kupa liquor having this feels like it's going to be a break-up conversation because she big is getting tired of being strung along but then they have to leave because other people from work show up the person that we linger on the bar is again the secretary miss olsen. We find out why later. But there's already something also being planted there as at the same time. The conversation between schaub draping lick poor. Baxter is standing in front of the theater at the music man with a cold waiting to show up the conversation really clarifies the deeply transactional way that show. Drake organizes his life with these two people. Like they don't know that they're connected in this way fran and cece vaccine then the way that he strings fran along with. You know. i'm going to get divorced. I promise and the way that he string. Cc baxter along with you're going to get promoted. Obviously you're gonna move from one thousand nine hundred florida the twenty seventh if you do this for me do the solid and the ways that because it's baxter's apartment it's baxter's crash weird transactional thing between the three of them. It is a song. I love a bizarre love triangle. is fucked up but it's also what an incredible germ of premise right like all these connections between these people and the real sense of transaction. Just something as i'm watching in my stomach just starts to feel really bad right. It's an entire movie. That's almost like a round robin of different people trying to find a relationship that's not transactional and no one succeeding until the very end. When you know in romantic comedy style. We do get a sense that it may be possible for these people to have an authentic relationship. That's not mediated through economy in some way. And that's what makes this movie such a strong social critique without ever ever having moment of soapbox there's no sort of critique of capitalism there's not really even a capitalist bad guy i mean shell drake is sort of more of an interpersonal bad guy but it's not really shown as being some sort of symbol for oppressions of the economy. But it's all in there. It's in the architecture of the office. You know and of the architecture of the apartment and just of that sense that you know when he's thrown out of his apartment. He's got nothing. He's the alienated bourgeois subject of mid twentieth. Centuries seems to have no other family no friends to go to you know of course. This is all stylized for the sake of the movie but there's something irreducible lonely about that. Cc baxter character that so haunting yeah and deviants a place to go when his apartment is being loaned out to these other guys there's also just spat seen back at the apartment between show jake and league where to what you were saying earlier about the delicacy of the way. The film handles these things. This happens a little bit further ahead after christmas. Because it's christmas gift where she gets mr shell greek a christmas gift and he hands her a hundred dollar. Bill so heartbreaking only say like the whole exchanges so beautifully written because what she gives him is of course this very personal president right. She says it's that pianist. He used to play at that chinese restaurant. We went to remember so she gets him this very meaningful gift that we see him unwrap which he doesn't even take them of course because his wife can't find it and then he just tasma gall to just peel off. Is it one hundred dollar bill. It's one hundred dollars. Oh yes first of all when she is receiving it. There's just great shot where we moved from kind of higher angle shot of him holding the record as she gives it to him and then we move to a lower angle shot where we see his back a little bit but really i level with her. She's sitting on the couch on the way she's looking up at him as he's handing bill down to her and just the way that life drains from her body and he's about to end the day because if wasted so much time talking and kind of his eyes whereas she does that where she starts to undress and she has that line about you know well you paid for it. You know. just the way that he's made her feel as it's clarified in her expressions in her eyes in particular the way she's looking up at him is really just remarkable shirley maclaine just the way that she slowly starts to undress with the sense of like dead end kind of exchange and transaction. It's really heartbreaking. Because yeah as you said. It's great writing in that. It's clear that she got him something so personal and it just sucks. I don't know a better word for it right but the seriousness the gravity. And the painful of what's taking place between sheldrick and fran at the apartment makes the next plot twists which could easily have seemed maudlin actually seemed to flow perfectly from the state of mind that she's in. Do you want to set that up. First of all we have the christmas party and the part of this movie that make people call it a christmas new year's movie right. We now have a week left to go in the story so we should say where people following along that. This is the night of the officers party which is a pretty momentous night for a few reasons before we even get to this hundred dollar bill exchange and one of them. Is that at the office. Christmas party the secretary. That i just mentioned is also been pools fran aside and basically gives her the low down right. She says you know before you there was me and you know these three other women and in fact part of the reason that she the secretary is stationed. Where she is is sort of this extra number of cruelty on the part of sheldrakes. Because as his secretary she has to see all the other women walking into his office at she sort of being punished. and i think that she's acting out of role in this together But she doesn't realize. I think the extent to which fran really is in love with this man despite herself so when we get to this hundred dollar bill exchange that happens back at cc baxter's apartment basically. This is just like a devastating catastrophic emotional event for her so she winds up taking a bunch of sleeping pills. After shelves ache leaves faxes apartment and attempt suicide. Whereas baxter also leaves the christmas party a little bit sad because you know he has realized because of a mirror that he finds in that fran recognizes. He realizes that fran is. The woman that sheldrakes bring back to his apartment. So he has his moment of again moping through the empty office away from the party and going to a bar and getting very drunk and meeting a hilarious married woman whose husband is in cuba for some reason but she's lonely too and he can't go back to his apartment whenever he wants to. Because mr shell. Jake is supposed to be there with fran. He realizes but eventually he does get back to his apartment with this married woman and comes home to find that fran is unconscious and this is winning gets dark dark and also farcical. There's such a weird moment when those two storylines converge right because the things that were essentially parallel cutting between or at least we know are happening at the same time are heartbroken woman tries to kill herself in this empty apartment and this really goofy almost sex forest style seen right of a drunken jack lemmon kind of talking up this married lady in a bar and the two of them doing this comic dance and then when they come together. There's this really unusual sequence that you know. We know that this terrible thing is happening in the other room right. We've seen her lying. There asleep possibly dead in his bed but meanwhile in the front of the apartment. There's all this coming and going and what's going to happen to the lady from the bar and you know the jewish neighbour who's a doctor is coming over thinking that jack lemmon is causing all of this a romantic drama and so there's this funny combination in the scene of almost like door slamming sex farce with some really tragic content. Yeah and i mean one thing that it also in alternated between the things that really drives home again. Another kind of kubelik baxter psychic connection. Which is that you know. He's at the bar. Baxter is so deep massaro. He likes scowls at a guy dressed as santa. who makes a stupid sled joke. But the woman is picking him up. She's trying to get his attention by blowing straws at him but he is so intently. Interested in fran who is so intently. Interested in mr shell drake that one of the sort of real sad things about this movie to me. Is that before it kind of gets better. It's about these two people who are intently focused on the wrong person. A person who's not interested in them a person who doesn't want them. I mean you know. I think that ultimately fran is a much better person than mister show. Jake so i you know she has it the worst because shell. Drake is a distinct category of asshole and france. Just a woman who's in level two manal. She's really not like going out of her way to ruin baxter's life but it's so hold stat out to lonely people who cling to the idea of romantic possibility with a person who's not available to them for whatever reason and when these two storylines collide into each other and it becomes now the resuscitating fran segment of the film with a doctor and being slapped and having her stomach kind of pumped into the toilet. And i was wondering by the way. Do i was wondering how uncommon vomiting scene even offscreen vomiting. But making it clear that a woman is throwing up drugs into a toilet that just seemed like raw content for nineteen sixty. I mean certainly. In the way that wilder films at all and makes the scene happen. It's sort of a drawn out thing. It's the making her vomit. It's the slapping her. The smelling salts marching across. It's a whole thing and it's farcical as you said but it's also lake deeply sad to me like seeing her get slapped. Pledge is a lot but we go through all of that in order for her and baxter to ultimately have this kind of playing house segment of the movie as she's being revived he's taking care of her. Yeah this is a wonderful little to a good way to think of it is this sort of housekeeping segment in the middle where she spent a couple of days in his bathrobe right and the sense of them being out of time for this brief period right. They don't have any relation to the workplace or the outside of the apartment. They play a game of gin rummy which he teaches her to play which of course will become important in the last scene of the movie wants more and he confides in her about his love life including confessing that he once tried to kill himself over unrequited love to which is dark but also i mean i think that she even last little too. Because it's i think the story is that he's in love with a friend's wife and obviously that's like a workout so he pulls over somewhere to shoot himself but the reasoning winds up shooting himself in the knee is because a cop sort of knocks on the window and if so it is like dark but it's also he is telling her the story to cheer up and it does bring this sort of lightness to the proceedings. And you know even says like she sends me a fruit cake every christmas. And then he's like actually like i'm gonna make you dinner and then we can eat the fruit cake but then it gets again because he reaches out to shell drake thinking person to person that if i were sheldrick i would want to know that whatever happened between myself and the woman made her want to kill herself and you get that seen. This becomes christmas day where he takes the call opening presents with his kids or whatever in this huge house very brightly lit completely the opposite of the dingy z. Combines here at baxter's apartment. But i just want to note that york apartments. It's just hard for me to feel too bad for him. It's a lot of space five dollars. I love his apartment. But it's dollhouse sized for right but there's not call where he's trying to get chaudhry to care and he almost doesn't understand how sheldrick doesn't seem to care that he doesn't wanna come visit that he doesn't wanna talk to her but all these things that sheldrick has no intention of actually being involved in the life of this woman and that also the baxter's denies too because when they later do talk he a subject prefers to baxter as like the nurse. Get what avid repeating myself. This whole time has just been the movie kind of makes fran and cc parallel to each other in this way and their relationship to this man but also just. They're sort of equally powerless. And i think it's really a sign of baxter's character that a win. The doctor comes over in the first place to help revive fan. He still takes on the story of it being his fault that she tried to kill herself. And be just his bemusement at the idea of show drake non even wanting to talk to her clarifies how deep the trench goes for sheldrick but also clarifies the sensitivity of bunny. Boy it's really. I thought really moving the way he kinda tries to soften the edges for her and here cam comes the bit of tennis racket business that you are anticipating so much earlier in the movie i mean all i really have to say about this famous little scene which is still incredibly to this day. Like who wouldn't wanna move in with the guy who strains of spaghetti through tennis racket is that this is one of the few pieces of improv. In the whole movie we were talking about how bill weller didn't like script to be deviated from in fact. I l diamond his writing partner. Who is i. Think more the executor's sort of of the script you know billy had the ideas and i'll diamond as a native english speaker kind of helped get them down on paper. But apparently i'll diamond or is he is. He was known with sit around on waiting for people to get anything into line wrong. And tell them you've got to say it the way it's written but i know the pressure it's what makes that language snap. You know makes that movie move the way it does but i was just going to mention that. The little bit of vocalisations. Jack lemmon does the wonderful little kind of oppressing bid as he's straining the spaghetti and we can listen to that here dressing for dinner. You know. come as you. Are you pretty good with that racquet. That was entirely his improvisation and something that he thought of on set. And i think that's just a great example of how billy wilder found the right actors. You know when people try to ask wilder including cameron crowe and that book. I was mentioning about the production process of the apartment. He always had very little to say. I mean in comparison for example to some like it. Hot where he had stories about marilyn monroe and how annoying it was that she was laid on onset all the time all he would say about the apartment is it was over it worked. I got the right people. I trusted by actors. One thing he said that was great is that he only had five feet of film. i mean obviously. He was exaggerating to some degree. But i think he shot a very tight ratio with this movie because he was just getting everything he wanted on. I take my only note about this spaghetti. Seen is that as much as i like that. He uses the racket to strain spaghetti via home cooking. We wish he'd saved some of that starchy pasta. Water made the saas cling to the spaghetti. It would have been a little bit better. But that's fine and the name of comedy and improv and beauty of the at that slot in the future of their relationship. If he does this again. I think he should save a little bit of that water but yeah otherwise perfect. Did you. next door needs to give them a calendar for their wedding present. And it'll be totally also in terms of the strength of writing this sequence of the movie is also where some of the grey lines i think. Come and some of the really sad and revealing lines batch. You're saying. I'm just the kind of guy who can't say no with reference to shell drake in these favors they keep doing privy bowl and kulik saying why can't ever fall for a nice guy like you which is such a devastating thing to say to someone who's really in love with you and like making you spaghetti with a tennis racket but she doesn't mean it sort of string herself along in that way but obviously for him it's like gee out the other guy like hiding my razors and making sure not jumping out of the window. Because he's devastated you that much so no the answer to the question of why you can't fall for a guy like me but of course that sort of one of the tragic romantic things about the movie. Of course things start to look up. Some other forces are in play for one shell. J. suddenly becomes single right in the scene that we never see right. We don't see the scene where he leaves her per se but she is informed by the treasury secretary miss olsen the same one who ran at the christmas party is now telling sheldrakes wife. Everything about all of his affairs she then leaves him and sheldrick thinks that this is the way for him to get back with fran again and this is what leads to the final confrontation between cc. Baxter and sheldrick. Yeah i would say missiles defense. The reason she does this because sheldrick fires her on the spot for even telling fran about the other women that he's done this with so that's when she served sneaks away and i also just want a leopard print hat that matches her purse. Oh yes looks so amazing in that one shot where she's coming up with her plan right there's just takes medium shot of her. Her outfit is just completely on point and also actresses expression is just excellent. Excellent isn't it. But yeah i mean what happens after that in the grave. Fast app between christmas new years you know because of the things the baxter's done for shell drake and you know the discretion. Obviously of it all baxter gets the big promotion. His office is now right next to sheldrakes. And here comes the moment. That i feel like i even rewatching movie on anticipate because i think lake. Baxter i'm thinking great. He's gotten to the top or as high as he's gonna get not going to become celtic but he's gotten explosives he's going to get so it's over. None of this apartment business. He outranks the other four guys using his apartment. But it's the moment that chaudhry who is now with brand because he's been left by his wife asks for the key again the now your they have this big confrontation. Well he doesn't say no he actually gives them a key to you. An executive speed or something is wrong. Key is his way of quitting right. Well it's more insulting than that. I think it's the key to the executive bathroom. I mean there's this exchange this again goes to what i was saying earlier about. The you know. The objects that signifies beautifully in this movie like the cracked mirror. We didn't really take a moment to talk about it. But the way that story runs through those little exchanges of objects right and that's a really just story wise a very satisfying conclusion to this story right at the entire time. It's been cease key that everybody wants right the key that will give them the space to pursue their affairs in and now suddenly. There's a key that he wants which symbolizes simply that he's like you say come to the echelons of power. And maybe he's going to have some say over what happens but then the condition of getting that key becomes giving up his own key to his apartment again and so that's why i love the gesture by which he quits is just simply to give him back the washroom key closing district. It's a good way to quit. And so i wanna say this way of quitting where accuracy calls celtics five. She gives them a dime. That also brings up the giving of the hundred dollar bill right. I mean if you're gonna do some sort of marxist reading of this movie a lot of it is about the circulation of value eight absolutely is and you know this is also the point at which it feels like. And i don't mean this in a negative way like they're all these ending all these things that need to get resolved that made me realize how complicated the goings on of this movie are because first of all there's an encounter between fran and buddy boy as his name is getting put on a higher level on one of the signs at the bottom floor of the building. Didn't they have this nice exchange and it seems like things have worked out for her things have worked out for him. He pretends that he has a date with a random woman. Who's in another corner of the building but it turns out that what he means by that is he's going home alone whereas fran and assure. Celtic are on their way to the new year's eve party. And this is one of the most moving moments the way that fran realizes the extent to which buddy boy has had her back. It's in the way that shelter reveals to her. That baxter wasn't gonna give him the key this time. Especially because he knew that it was fran that he was bringing back to the apartment. I got another good long shot of just watching. Shirley maclaine react. It's like watching her. Not fall in love with jack lemmon but just realizing the amount of love that is coming from his direction to her and his refusal to allow her to be mistreated in his apartment at the very least. Because i think something that wasn't mentioned. Was that shelter was left by his wife. But that's not the way that he presented a fran. The way he presented friends fulfillment of a promise that he's going to be the one to leave his wife and that's not what happened. I don't know fran knows that he's actually been left behind because he is a philanderer and a creep. But he i think lures fan in by making. It seem like he's finally done it. I think this is a moment where you see the truth of that. Come out but you also see her reacts to that and then yeah the classic romcom running running running on her way to baxter's apartment. It's just really sweet. I don't know somebody would have to do a complete genealogy. This can't be the first time that remained at comedies ended with somebody realizing in running but i mean it must be a very important chapter in that history. I mean the first one that came to mind is when harry met sally which is even from a new year's eve party so you know no doubt conscious quotation of the apartment. But you know. For instance woody allen in manhattan. Everybody's running at the end of a romantic comedy. And i think. Billy wilder got it on the ground floor on that. I mean. it's billy wilder race so he doesn't even let that lie. He has to tie up like every joke and so even running thing is briefly interrupted by her running up the stairs and thinking she hears a gunshot sounded back is a gunshot. This is a check with being played on us. That is not like a champagne bubble to me. But she thinks you know. It's the consummation of the joke he made about wanting to shoot himself over a woman he was in love with and thinking. Oh my god. He just shot himself. Of course it was champagne. And i hope this reasons way for you but i find it kind of suggestive the way that champagne bottle overflow. It's just a lot of champagne suggests to me. And i do think this movie is ahead of. Its time with sex and putting it on screen. So i'm gonna say that. I think that's deliberate. Yeah i'll just say this if that happened by accident i'm sure it was another happy accident that billy wilder was happy to leave in the over foaming champagne-cork and so then yes again. In grand romcom style. We have this not a meet cute but a go out cute as the two of them pick up their card game again together and if you remember before he was sort of trying to get her into the gin rummy game right and she was talking about he fell asleep. She's talking about her love life. But there's this nice reversal now. Where she's the one who's trying to get his mind back on the cards. I wish i knew how to play card games. So that card involved things meant more to me but is this a fun game. It doesn't seem like a good game of guards. I'm not like backtracking. Mostly does all resume. You're asking the wrong person. Because we'll get into another time. But i can't stand any game and i can never have the focus to complete any sort of rule based competition whatsoever part of why i don't do your crosswords ever but i do think that cards are a great movie metaphor. I mean to play a card game with someone is to have intimacy with them to have a relationship with them. I mean especially. I think in those days the sort of early tv days when there was less to do with your evening. There's something very domestic about them. Having this this ongoing card game together and wilder is good at endings. Just had done some like it hot with the famous last line. Nobody's perfect and now he has shirley maclaine saying shut up and deal which is just such a wonderful multi vaillant right. I don't know if the meaning of dealing with things is intended at all here but as life advice shut up and deal is pretty great. Yeah good ending. I mean. I don't know why i forget about this being a holiday movie. I guess because generally what i think of holiday movies don't involve suicide at times. But because that's not what i would call a holiday spirit but this is a great christmas new year's movie with the new year's particulate just like the beginning of a new chapter of their lives just very in other hand feel to me but i don't know i just walk away from the movie with a sense of possibility and sort of curious where celtics going at night. Because he can't go back to his house he can't go back to apartment so i don't know what's up of him. Yeah he's off to go being a movie with an even gloomier outlook on the world. Totally great ending great. Yes so good. Made me wanna go on a billy wilder jag I'm sure i wouldn't regret it if i did. I was gonna be mentioned to listeners. Besides that cameron crowe book of interviews. I talked about earlier which is called conversations with wilder also discovered this great thing on youtube. There is a three part three hour long. Sort of documentary interview series that the german director volker schloendorff did with billy wilder in nineteen eighty-eight when billy wilder was still alive still active still going to his office every day to read scripts but not really making any movies anymore and is just such a lively conversationalist. Billy wilder was well known as of great company. You know among all the people that he worked with he was merely just really good storyteller and fund to spend time with. And you really see that in. These interactions with sean orphan. It's just them talking about cinema and about their lives and their histories and about germany. They speak in german a lot of the time sometimes in english. But it's fascinating. I it all the way through yet. But if you go to youtube and look for billy how did you do it. That's the title of this three part series. Billy how do you do it by bulk. Schloendorff's go and check that out. If you want to going to all right well cam. Normally this would be the place where i would ask you or in this case you would ask me what the choice would be for the movie for the next episode. This is the fiftieth episode as we mentioned last time. A flashback. what. We didn't know when we recorded that episode and talked about what we would do to celebrate. Our fiftieth is that this would also be the last flashback. This was slates first experiment with an all paywall podcast and other words. That isn't part of a podcast that exists also outside the paywall but is one that you have to join slate plus to listen to. It was a successful experiment. We got a lot of people on board built a nice fandom and we're very happy to have all of you as listeners. But i think slate wants to use that part of their bandwidth to explore other podcast ideas. I'm sure this is hard for some listeners. Who have been with us since the beginning to here and it was very hard for us to hear. I'm personally still adjusting to it. Because cam i love doing the show with you and i'm really gonna miss it but i want listeners to know that we read all your suggestions for future shows. We had a lot of them bookmarks to do and we have a lot of ideas in our head for movies. We'd still love to talk about so if you happen to be on twitter and you follow me at the high sign on twitter. That's the h. i. G. h. g. n. I think i'm going to post a little thread from cam. And i both of maybe ten titles each that we would have done in the show if we could cut going. Yeah i had so many films in mind so on the one hand side that this is the end of this project but on the other hand just to reiterate something you said. I think it's been really great to rather something that i didn't expect when we started this. Was that people would be as interested as they are and to feel like we were on the same wavelength with people when they were making their suggestions. But yeah i mean my head is full of guy was gonna. Do you gonna do all kinds of stuff. But i also feel like it's not as if movies have died. Two years is podcast has died in. You know in our capacity as critics and elsewhere. I i can speak for both of us. When i say that we both really love talking about older films with people and i've loved you know being exposed to films that i hadn't heard i hadn't seen from your choices and i've loved the emails that we've gotten every week with great suggestions and again just choices that are firm that i think we found audience. Who really seemed to get what we're doing. Which is just you know getting together and chatting about movies in a way that as writers as critics on these things. We don't always have a long enough leash to do because there's no quote unquote reason to talk about the apartment right now. We just wanted to. And i feel like that's how we've approached most of these and i'm going to really miss it particularly during the pandemic i have to say it's been really nice to have this look forward to and feel like i'm not watching these things in a vacuum which is really largely. I think when we dana. I started talking about like a shared love of just watching older films. It was because of movie club a couple of years ago. Where i talked about how i use the holiday breaks to catch up on all the blu rays and streaming things that i've been putting off and not having time to get to and yeah it's been nice to have something built into my life. That not only helps me watch those things but also gave me someone to talk to you about them. 'cause yeah i watch a lot of movies and i don't talk to people i. Cc exercising statistics at the start of the apartment is how can feel some time. So it's just been really great to feel engaged both of you and with our audience. And i'm gonna miss it. Oh i feel the same. And now you're making me realize that we never talked about the yosef on sternberg. Marlene dietrich convert raising collaboration. That was the basis for that whole movie club conversation. That's what you were geeking out on that winter right. I never made it all the way that sets all right. We'll find a place and rest assured listeners. If kaman i find a place to talk about monster and berg and dietrich we'll be sure to send you there. I was also going to say in relation to that that if this show means something to you and you will miss it. We would love to hear from you either by email or on twitter. Our email address is flashback at slate dot com and again you can find me as the high sign on twitter. Camp wisely not waste his time there. But i am still to be found there sometimes unfortunately but we would love to hear you know what this show meant to you what movie you would have liked us to talk about. Maybe a movie discovered because of us any kind of feedback. You have for flashback. We would love to know yeah. One category really loved his in people telling us about their personal connections to some of these foam. Some of you said really great stories to us about the first time you saw something guy whose dad was the dentist and cavities husbands. I gave it's amazing. We've we've really enjoyed doing this and feeling engaged with you all and it'll be hard to say goodbye to but i was thinking about it and it's like started with films like wanda and we did. Gaslight was our very first movie. Those are very first movie. You know we did these. Shaheen foam tons of the lambs and lawrence of arabia did films from near and far and black silent era foam. And you know all kinds of stuff. So i think that that doesn't have to end. Obviously we love hearing about people exploring these things. Please do be in touch in each out about movies. Even if things you are headed like one from the heart. The francis coppola foam that. I chose or i got yelled that for but i defend that. Show he still to this day. I mean it's sort of like you like all your children equally no movie. We've done even the ones that may not have been my favorites will ever be anything but dear to me now because when you dig into a movie at that level everything has something that you had never seen before totally and we of course also have to thank our wonderful producer chow hugh in addition to putting up with our rambling are and decisiveness about scheduling. Apparently make sound great. I really can't listen to myself. But all the things you guys say about how great the podcast is. It's like lease fifty. I would say more percent shows surgical precision with the editing. She could blackmail us with the out. Takes get fired immediately for extreme stupidity for the number of times like i got to pick up that we could media tab again. The number of names we forget etc. Yeah so we also have a lot. She has the tapes. The nixon tapes of this we will always be in debt to her for not letting those air all right well. I am not. Billy wilder nor am i diamond. 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(Vintage) Carol Burnett

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These products are not per user sale to persons under the age of eighteen sunday. Scary dot com type in sexy liberal. Boo don't screw this help to look good friend. Jody hamilton's here why. What have you brought us this morning. Carol burnett is here. Oh hi carol burnett. I say if you're in my house every day stephanie. I love being in your house every day. Okay did we started to cry. What yes i told you. We should've taken the petra. I i know you're used to this. You have this effect on people. You make a lot of people cry in a good way thank you. I hope. I hope they laugh. More than the cry culprits day. My house want jodi. You make because you're my guest host. You may need to take over a do this interview. Because i will say what i normally say to your mom which is how muhammad muhammad hundred bobbitt heard afterwards. Is your your outfight. His no. I got jody was nice enough. You remember you took me backstage tonight. Show right so that. I can meet you and i believe that's what i said. I said learn flying. So that was the extent of that conversation. And and then jake came in and went on the air carriers security and then that was and then started the other thing. Let's not talk now. Jody's my smarter for. I'm just going to tee off her. Carol burnett homework. Carol yes okay. It's okay stephanie. This i said this to you today. I was like. How do you do an interview with your mom. Everybody hasn't heard right the same stuff. And you've answered the same things and You have quite a lengthy wikipedia page. I spent a lot of time on it. It was me But we love and adore your daughter. So let's start there terrific. I love and adore her too bright. We'll see we have that in common that humanizes us so that i don't have a stroke. Okay no she. Okay jamie jamie. You're ruining my interview. That i waited my entire life. Okay sorry all right Okay so jodie is smarten pretty funny. We like a lot. She's like you know what i realized. Today she's like my vicki lawrence o. What yeah she is like. Everybody says she's our favorite because we're family family family yes You know i was talking to somebody about back in the covered wagon days. We started our show. Yes i hired vicky right outta high school today. You can never do that. I saw you said that she was eighteen. No network would allow it but yeah you know back then. They left us alone. Yeah they were like who are you. This show will never work anyway. Absolutely not Character i guess so many people you also talked about that that it just such a different era. It was like three channels bred early. Everyone in the country watch every saturday night. Especially that saturday night lineup. All in the family mash. Mary tyler moore bob newhart and us and there were no. Vcr's then so people stayed in. I guess all of us we got a mash. Even more i was on at ten thirty five thirty million people. Thirty five million every night because it was only three chills right. yeah Yeah i didn't. That was a time in my parents. Knew they couldn't talk to me don't carols But yeah i mean. I it is it really is when you talk about a seven decade grooming. I joke which is literally. I don't know how you prepare for an interview with you. I know first of all we usually talk politics. And you famously. Don't talk politics. Although i saw brief click clip. Larry king asked you that carol allow and then he said you know what if i say donald trump and you made a sound that was kind of like tarzan but like falling into a into like a ravine and dying. I don't remember what could have been. Yeah that was that was it. I thought i can't beat the seventy thousand person to ask her. Do the tarzan yell. But i had an idea. You've won the presidential medal of freedom among items. I guess that's sort some point. I don't So what would you say. It was present. Let's let's do a sketch. Say president trump is you had he had you had to get it from him so you come to the white house and president trump says girl so terrific. Here's the presidential medal. I loved you. And i love lucy. Here's the medal. You would say what thank you know. I wouldn't say anything. Because i wouldn't be there. Oh oh director into. It shouldn't be there because she's already received it. Oh right exactly see travis. He's smart hucker. I'm on team. Carol fresno fresno. I was just saying tarzan dying at the bottom of a ravine. How would that sound if you were a doorman laughing. Sounds she makes. Donald trump wants to the white house. Here's why i asked though too. You know you've talked about this as well that you famously. But nobody at that time was political. Your your show wasn't political. Almost everybody today is right. Snl while they were. That's for yeah. They were highly political. Yeah my ideal. Is that i- i'm a clown i you know and what i was raised in just belly laughs right and stuff like that so in a way. I think that's why our show is still viable today. Right you know because It wasn't timely. We were just doing schedule. Is you know some Got a little serious Later on seven years with the family right but and that was an interesting one. Because i remember. When i read it i thought this is amazing writing because there wasn't one joke in it. Yeah it was all character-driven and when i looked at it i gotta be southern. Yeah because i'm from texas and arkansas and all those places. So i just started talking like this and vicky picked up on it and harvey and when we did the run through that wednesday we had. We had rehearsed monday tuesday than we do a run through for the crew and the writers and camera everybody right on wednesday and we did it and the writers of this particular sketch were horrified. Yeah what are you doing with these accents. And i'm doug because they were from chicago. They hated their mothers. But that's what the way they re wrote it and you're going to alienate the entire self. Yeah well we. Didn't you know we wound up doing over thirty five of those. Yeah at first. I was gonna play mama but eunice spoke to me. I like that. Then we're going to hire an older actress to play. Mama and bob. Macky are brilliant. Costumed shurmur said no they just take the false eyelashes off. Vicky put her glasses fat suit and a blue grey wig and let her be mama because we only thought we were going to do at one time. yeah look what. wow yeah. Yeah wow. I mean i ju by the what you've written i believe. Let me just cheat off. Jody's i'm you've written seventy five thousand books. Did i get that number wrong. Close yeah four one in such good company Yeah but you you have written And they're all of the stories. You're right because the comedy is so timeless it's so holds up. Would so if you did the show again to that. Which i know you've said you couldn't. I mean it was like doing a broadway musical every week. But would you think you would be political. Just because it's almost like everybody's it's hard not to be political and it doesn't appeal to me yeah. It just doesn't appeal. I i want to just reach out and touch people. Were you know at home where they live and what their experiences are. And sometimes just silly pratfalls and things like that know. That's kinda sketch. I always love when you look at tim. Conway and harvey. Yeah doing the dentist sketch. That's over forty years old. And i dare anybody not to laugh nuts. Yeah not really rollover laughing yeah. This is an holes up. Yeah the slow. The slow tumbled down the stairs. Yeah the doorknob. you know. he's he's he was home equity my doctor. Ding dong doctor right. Yeah well i but it is interesting. I think that there. There's a not to try to draw you into stop it stefan joy i'm not trying to joy carroll but no it's just i think that You know in the thing. Certainly everybody i think is so drawn to you and i know jim carey said it to you on the special that you are just a space where love what people love you for a reason but i think you you truly are such a nice person in that radiates and you're kind. It seems like so the antithesis of you know. I just to say what's going on trump's america right now and the way the dialogue has become. It's and i think that's why people are even more like sort of nostalgic for that time when you weren't being mean you will this insulting anybody. When we did the fiftieth anniversary. Show it the ratings. Were really good and people. I guess wanted to be taken back to that time. Yeah you know and I now i'm getting fan. Fan mail from ten year olds and the netflixing majors. Yeah right you talked to kids Ten i mean i've been getting fan. Mail before the net flicks show from little kids underlined line three hole now You know Notebook paper and pencil than they'll drop picture. This is you miss carol. But sometimes and it's only if they're really little and young right. I'll get a letter. Saying i am going to be Miss hannigan any any. You give me some hints on how to perform how to do this. Yeah and if they leave their telephone number i'll call. Yeah we'll see that's why it's good that their hearts are ten years old because that yeah yeah they're not as prone to heart attack as the rest of us. Let me. it's funny. Because when i do call and if the mother answers yeah oh she gets all excited which is very sweet and the kid will come on the pos it. Yeah hi carol. We'll call when you cover seven decades. You know depends i was. This is always my joke about you. Know how. I knew. I was dating someone too young. I was dating a woman. Seventeen years younger than me when i told her. You know. carbonates my idol smart lifetime and she said oh she so mean and i and i was like oh you only know her from anne okay. Yeah what she had a show. We're done here. it's that little joke about. did you know that. Paul mccartney had a band before wings for michael jackson exactly so yeah. Oh by the way and thank you for because it is kind of a creepy museum to carol burnett. Isn't it and you you you can tell you you're really good actor because you're you're poker faces pretty good. There's a giant picture of you and your daughter's up there and then there's that picture of you there three giant ones. Yeah yeah it's like. Yeah this is like your norma desmond sketch. Just i've come from upstairs in the monkey funeral. Ignore all the giant pictures of you. Thank you for coming. you know. She was on her show. I wish you raison. She called us after the first when we did the first takeoff on sunset boulevard. I've played nora desert. She was norma desmond she called. Oh i just love it. what you're doing. can. I come on your show. Oh my god. He came show out time. She was seventy six. I think beautiful skin. She never got out in the sun or anything like that. She was the best guest and she was up and down running around. We did a whole She did a number with the boys. Yeah with the boy dancers and then. We did a whole finale where she was charlie chaplin. Wow i was a charwoman and the dancers were the keystone cops and we did in black and white she was. I mean so active. She absolutely terrific. I'm not surprised she's pale as we know she didn't spend much time by the pool. No she wasn't filled and then when it was it a dead screenwriter. Then you can't lay out by the pool. Yeah no that was my ex. When that was my fortieth birthday present in it says the street pictures of unit says you can do it steffi and as it turns out she was wrong i could not be carol burnett but that was the was the thought that count. It was very. That's the first thing i said you wanted to be you. But it didn't work out to be the second. Carol burnett you want to be the first steffi miller you said that when you had her call me on my birthday and that was the second time she made me cry because it was the second time i've talked to her on hold solicit to wild thing for like twenty minutes or whatever i did malware we our. It was my birthday surprise. I screamed that call for you to. Do you need to answer this stephanie. Start chris new. Yeah oh and then lawrence o'donnell said the thing that she said to me when he he was tweeting about my book he said carol burnett says she's the coburn at a radio. Well we hear a team steph. Put the wild in wild alaskan company. Didn't we just wild. Are we about wild alaskan company. Well not all of us have professional food. Stylus travis does but we love our wild west seafood. Do we not. It tastes as good as it looks. Yeah listen as a member. 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You know fame and she was like me. I don't crying blubbering. Whatever people do when they meet you same and she walked away and you said to jodi. Oh she knows who i am. Well i was like of course she does. Well no not everybody does. I mean there's a woman that wouldn't well well maybe yeah But you know it's so interesting. Generations that lucy was your idol. And then of course became cassette. Yeah women comedy it was lucy it was carol. Yeah you know. And then like vicki lawrence felt that way about you and could barely speak when she met you and you know then lily tomlin of courses my other hero like i love her. The one name comedy legends. Right that yeah. I'll never forget. That was the other time. That was the first time. I was supposed to meet your mom. Member yes leeann lily. We're supposed to host an event at the gay and lesbian center. Right and joe by sister's husband passed away. I know. I know. I had to go be with her. But i just want you to know thank you for. I've lost twenty pounds in a day. I was sweating all day long. Because i was sitting lillian. Jane's table and i was going to meet you for the first time and then like right before they're like. Oh carol had to cancel and then went on. That was hilarious. So lily played your part and her part. Oh that's and it was hilarious. And she going into schicker. You like you backstage. And then she'd do a line and she'd be like well that'd be a lot. Funnier carol had said it. I doubt it i saw. It was good. I had a rehearsal. I had to run through but I you know we just. We wanted jodi to come not only because we love her so much. But i 'cause we are family family family of freely. Yeah that's from another family from the movie. Tarzan the ape man member johnny wise bill. Yes no no. No the one. With the anti mcdowell where they yeah legend of greystone. I'm into the old one. I thought anything rose mother. Yes yeah right yeah Anyway what was i saying. Oh well she probably wouldn't let us hang around together. We were kids kids. She'd be like not the miller girl. Why we'd be what we'd be. We've been trouble. Sasha and i got into trouble. This one i'm immune but i have to say you must be an amazing mommy because this one is is so she i think is the kind of person i know. She's smart and kind and we love her because she obviously grew up around comedy genius. Because you're so she's so good at. She's so smart and funny yourself and she's so good at ignoring other people and that's got to be a you know a liotta's my idol growing up was jimmy stewart. Yeah i was just. He was that i remember. I was in san antonio with my grandmother who raised me. Yeah and i remember. We were in the movie theater. And i had to have been like three not much more because my feet didn't touch the four right and i see this tall drink water yet up us. It was a scene in a nightclub with some pretty lady. And i looked at him and i said nanny he's my friend and she said a ha i said i. I haven't met him yet but he's my friend and she said that's nice drinker. Ovaltine you know years later. It came true now. I have a shirt with saying on it. That was given to me by his twin daughters. The jimmy stewart's and they said dad were going to go to college. Many many moons ago. Do you have any advice right. And the advice was always remember. Be nice to people. Yeah and that's on the shirt that they gave gal that i know you've said that is one of the tenants of your life as well. So let me ask you something carol. If mr smith went to washington today that meets on miller what just hoping. She's easily tricked. She's very nice. She doesn't do catherine keener thing either. Listen let's try this. When i say the name donald trump just give me some kind of sign not like yours programmable like if you could pull your upper lip like over your head when i say the words donald trump. That's kind of like having a baby when you pull your explained that what you stick your lower lip out as far as you can and then pull it over. Oh is that what it's like. I hope you appreciate it missy. That's why didn't have any. She told me that i was to that. On that's fine. Wow guy friend of mine said it. Se- sounds it. Sounds like ping out a kitten. I'll call number one anyway. Where were we jodi. Told me a great story that she wanted to be a stuntwoman. You remember this. No when she was growing up at the joe heaney house in the front the front door. I've never the map of the stars stalking you and so i was working. I was home from school. And i was running from the front door to the those two steps that went down the hallway and i was just falling down the two steps and you came in from the kitchen. You were watching me. And i kept going back and forth and falling down and you doing and i said i wanna be a stuntwoman. You said we'll tuck enrolled year and then walked into the office. I love that. I love daughter of carol. Burnett going to know how to stage fall. I taught myself. Nobody ever taught me how to do. Stunt so i got a few bruises but i never did i love. The question was not. Do you need first aid dear. Should we maybe put down a mattress. It was enroll. Good advice name of your autobiographies just talking roles here. That's good advice for life when you said just tuck and roll deer. That reminds me of the story. We were talking about with john. Eustis in anne he he never would give a direction right. Bob altman didn't either. which was he just. We hire you to do what you do. So do it. So i remember the first scene. I was going to do any Was with an ranking. When she's coming to the orphanage to get to get any and it's a big scene. So i was a little nervous. It was my first once. I went to him Mr houston Any said call. New john deere. And how do you see me doing this. And he thought for a minute and he said just cavort. You're just cavort. Great piece of directions cavorted. Yeah yeah got it done. Oh well that's a long story. Oh wait where's my nostalgia. Music speaking of which. Wait a minute. We've already brought a plastic surgery suite. You and jody had dental surgery at the same time at the same time. I had my job done. Yeah okay i. It was broken in two places. Yeah i still have wires back here. They took out part of my bone here and lift because what your mom had an overburdened. Un and under by. I had a nice yeah. My teeth met yet and then on mom had a slight week. Weaker chin a weaker chin as jody. Got so i went to the oral surgeon. And i asked him about it. But i don't want to go through. What jodi does he don't have to he just kind of cut in here and pulled it out three millimeters. Wow is all you know. So it's i just wanted to feel the rain on my chin without having to look up the owning so now we had done the easy street number yeah before and we'd wrap anne and i got the operation of procedure done and now the easy street number. When we first did it was overkill. It was four hundred dancers in and the street with a monkey grinder and not and it was just too much and bernadette peters and tim curry nice. It insists isn't very good. But you know it should be just the three villains in the orphanage the number so now i had the procedure and i got a call from the producer like a month later saying we're going to shoot the easy street number and So burn it has coming in from new york and tim from england. I was in white at the time. So we all flew in. And i said to Oh i said to the producer over the phone. I said ray i have a chin now more and he said what and i explained it to him and he's with all that miss hannigan drag. Nobody's gonna you know right so i okay. I just thought i'd tell you so. We've i flew in now. We're in the easy street We're in the office of miss hannigan right john. Huston says all all and he said. I think what i'll do. Oh 'cause ray stark said you know. It won't be pictured a pitcher. It'll just that scene and nobody's gonna notice with all that miss hannigan drag so okay so now we're in the Her office bernadette. Tim and i and mr houston says i think what are watered do is take it from when carol wit into the closet. To find annie's lock it will pick it up from when she comes out of the closet picture to picture at all and i went to. I said mr hughes call john john. Two months ago. When i ran into the closet. I didn't have a chin now. I'm coming out of the closet right right. Thought for a minute said well dear does come out looking determined because we'd cavort and look determine. It's like you're coming out of the closet stories determine chins Yeah i that's the thing. I know i know i feel like i. I've been stalking her. My whole life. I went to usc ucla. I thought it was all going to work for me. Carol show. I started doing sketches in highschool not here overnight quality. Oh i did a torn between two lovers. I had my mom rip like ten dresses up the front and down the back and sold them back together and then the two guys came out during the chorus and ripped hole. Yeah it was. That was that before. I would have been easier right see. You weren't my mom enrolled you. Your mom would have said that. I've got another story about. Oh okay oh you about five. Yeah and we were watching the ed sullivan show and ray charles came on and cut jodi got up. Walked over to the television set. Put her little hands on the screen and kissed rachel. She said i love him. Mama i well. Everybody does have good taste. Okay now. lap dissolve a little bit. Later you days later. whatever. I'm coming into the kitchen and she's talking the plumber. I'm married to ray charles. you know. he's blind. I have to lead him everywhere now. Then ray charles scott on our show. And i told him the story and he just loved it so you came to the dress for dressed up. Even i said guess what jodi your husband's going to be a guest this week so she got all dressed up because the kids came to the dress rehearsal right and he was in my dressing room after the show ryan. Jody came in he said. Where's my little jody right. She ran over to. He picked her up any hugged her. And you were crying still did. Everybody was crying in the room with it was just the most beautiful thing that he yeah he did. That is my little. jody now. My second husband a little young. For ray charles at the young ida friend the digital guy and she's like oh honey it's great. You don't do your hair makeup. The fantastic doesn't matter what you wear. I think i was a little old for mr charles at the time. I was sick God what i mean. I you know every time we have a have a story joey. It'll be like oh. Here's me and sonny and cher when i was. I mean we're a wonderful i mean that's just legacy you've left for everyone in the world but i mean for your kids to have had that you know and to to be able to you know be such a good mom and raise such a wonderful kid and i know we're we're 'cause i started crying so we're not going to get to carry because we're all going to start but i mean just the fact that you're willing to have as huge a career as you did and still be able to be the mom that we did it as a school schedule yeah. I didn't go to work. Monday tuesday wednesday until ten o'clock in the morning. Yeah so you know. 'cause we'd have breakfast and everything would be home every night for dinner right at six. Except for thursdays and fridays because thursday night was orchestra and friday was when we did. Yeah the show and then they would be Come to the dress rehearsal on friday weekends. Off of course About a week every month we would take off. Yeah easter or we of course all summer at two weeks at christmas so it was many times i would be home before the kids even got out of school. Yeah yeah i mean you got to have. Jim nabors is your. He's yeah. I mean but what i i just you know. It's such a it's such a rich sort of You know just a history that you all have you know we. My dad ran for vice president and so we always talk about what a wonderful sort of legacy he left for us. So you know. I sort of relate to the having i mean. My dad wasn't famously you. But it's sort of heartbreaking and touching the few times that we've talked jody and you've said you know. Because of course i played wants everyone was is that like what was that like to grow up reno. The daughter carol burnett. And you're saying that early on your very sensitive to like other kids. Sometimes you invite them over to play and they'd be like mom going to be home and if i if you say we say no yes i did was like five six years old as you're going to be there now. She's not going to be there knowing full. Well you would be if they said well we're going to check with my mom or my dad. If they didn't want to come over then i got them anymore. I mean i'm playing the long game carol. I've been using her for twenty years. Now get to this moment torelli. You're selling your next week for you. Oh well yeah. I mean i got percents using her for that and then she has at some point yeah. She didn't see me communists at playing a long game still book you leave a stare off every week that she always loses when you walk down the stairs in. It's my big day. Yeah it's jody's been girl day when she goes. No you know and i will say that that you know people can be mean online these days like you didn't have that one back in the day right and i don't i don't know. Yeah you're not online. Yes you're smart. Yeah who needs it but you know jodi product. You're used to this because you're obviously same generation in terms of seeing mean stuff online. I mean i. We say get called the seaward more before six. Am the most people do all day. But i wanted to be caroline then. Donald trump became president. And i'm old mean my. He's made you still get carol burnett. Now i miss hannigan because i said the words. Donald trump is sort of signal. You'd like to give us carol. Stop it stephanie. Fine fine fine stephania contract. But i was going to say and hopefully this won't hurt your feelings but because it's a happy ending story but i remember when you first start coming on. I be sensitive on your behalf. I'd see little leo. She's there because she's coburn. It's daughter whatever some mean stuff. And i'm like oh. I hope. Jody didn't see that. But we can confirm this. We all the time now not just online but emails and whatever everybody says jodi is our favorite jodi. It's the best show of the week when jodie's their their their checks in the mail book extra callers when you're here because it's not good. Yeah but anyway. She's smart and pretty like okay. So i know i felt like i. It is interesting though. I just because people do you know the so many of course every woman in comedy sort of emulates. But you know i did. I started sketch is going to. Usc close enough ucla usc. And then you know once upon a mattress. Of course. I always loved. When you're first. Broadway thing gary moore. I mean everybody knows the story and you were born in texas but your parents were both alcoholics so you your grandma raised you. That's where you went to the movies all that stuff. But i just i thought it's interesting. How it all like jodi. You've mentioned the national enquirer lawsuit which has become famous now studying law school. Yes as a libel lawsuit but you obviously they. They allege a public drunkenness. During a fight with henry kissinger i so hope. The story was true things to say about him because go carol. Oh it's not well but you said this really hurt because it was completely untrue. And you're making it happened to be in the same restaurant. Yeah but i didn't meet him until he was with lew. Wasserman and wife having dinner was a big region right. You know the time. And i was in washington to do a show at the white house or as you do fort for betty ford betty especially right and So we were there in so as we were leaving to get a cab on the street there. Yeah came out and they introduced me to his kissinger. No web lookie fluid to see you tomorrow night at the white house of thing worse kissinger impractical. fred sanford. it's actually more. Elmer fudd but said so that was the extent of it and i said i was traipsing around and pouring wind down his throat while i mean that would have been so cool i will but i i stayed put and So i sued and we took five years. Yeah wow and after the fact that there was a couple sitting next to us in the restaurant who had just gotten engaged. Yeah and we gave them some of our desert and then there was a family sitting behind us you know and hello and we were talking to them so in the article saying i was making forcing people desert and all of this five years later when we're in court this couple shows up. Aw and they're married and they have a little kid and everything. They said she never left the booth right. And you know all this stuff. So we couldn't prove malice aforethought but we proved reckless disregard for the truth. Now and so. That's that's the big. Yeah and also they ruled it a magazine as opposed to a newspaper which means that they're not Covered by the magazine libel right is different because they can check their sources because they have run down. Yeah yeah oh okay. Do you know who barbara stanwick horse. Viewed wonderful wonderful actress. She still thinks i'm thirty. Five so I'm in the middle of the trial. And i went to my doctor's office One an hour. Before i was due downtown at the courthouse in. I'm waiting because i wanted to get a vitamin shoppe. So boy the end. I walk in and there's barbara stanwick. While sitting in the waiting room. He never told me who is patients where which was my right. You know but oh my god and she kind of smiled. And i smiled. you know. And she looked at me she had. You're going to whip the enquirer's ass. And i said well thank you. Yeah thank you mr away from your lips to god's if she says no no i know it. Wow i sit yet thank you. You want to know how i know it okay. She said my leprechaun told me that's interesting. I'd i'd looked oh already lady said no. They exist they exist. She says i have on any talks me all the time. And he tells me things and he said you're going to whip their. Is so she really believed it while well. Maybe they do exist. I who knows. Barbara stanwyck you take that for your mom's like wow real up in here i know even. I'm too nervous to drink drinking water. I don't wanna screw this. do you drink at all. Oh you do just yeah. Yeah yeah okay for dinner early. This is early even for me. I i've said i'm not sure of my liver can withstand much longer of trump's presidency. Trump wanted sh listen by the time this drops. He's not even going to be president anymore. Hopefully so it's not like you're just talking about past presidents. We're dropping this next week. It was let me say this amen regular to your katherine hepburn for my mom because you did it for jane fonda. Yeah but okay okay. Yeah i'll have to hear it forming signing. Yeah up on the horse and ride try to different. Didn't play chelsea right. She didn't so marry my god. You birdie short. I will challenge. Let's get to hear that you should do a whole interviews. Catherine joe and mary tyler. I do every movie bruma gay retain all right thank you. It's absolutely horse if i'd be embarrassed. Huge left out of carol burnett. That should be like what you when you wake up and having some me at night. That's what you remember. Giants animal now and die in the last thing she heard was coburn. It's loud you want me to record it for. You can play it whenever you got. What have you so you've met like how many presidents i mean everyone since kennedy except carter. Okay i adore. Yeah i met mrs carter. I did not meet him. I met obama recently. He does mela cookies and freedom doesn't he. Oh we went to. Yeah we jody. In the oval office we fifteen minutes us more than that. I loved it. 'cause we were there for the mark twain and so we thought and gentleman cabinet it has also won the mark twain in addition to seventeen hundred and fifty emmys so we were told that we could meet him so we all gathered there. You know jody and erin and all of us my husband and selling and we were in the roosevelt roosevelt room. And there's a little hallway. And then there's a private door into the oval office so we said okay. Lineup happened suit. He opens the door. Yeah who obama does. Wow you know and took pictures and everything. And then we sat and talked and even sat on the oval office desk. Yes and it was the official photograph of the day. Yes the white house. I was so thrilled. He what a guy. Yeah it was really taken gentleman. Carol burnett sounded very very happy to meet barack obama. She made a different sound when mentioning tarzan stellan into a room. Die miller what what her middle name is. No now who gave you the presidential medal bush. Oh ladies and gentlemen. Carol burnett made a funny face when she said she also gave you the kennedy center. Nobody gives nobody. I mean he was he was he was the president. Yeah he gave you that. But yeah i was actually just review and same your aretha. Franklin we were all tall aretha. Yeah okay let's just review for company that has won the presidential medal of freedom mark twain award kennedy center awards sixteen hundred and five thousand emmys people's choice people's choice an olympic gold medal. He body olympic bihar swimming. One of these days you'll live up to her potential Yeah what a loss. Aretha franklin Yeah i mean it. Just she was just lovely woman. Yeah she was so thrilled and we kind of gathered together. Yeah she's involved. Yeah well there's a reason. God made happy hour. There's also so much going on in the world that can make it difficult to relax. Decompress right you've experienced. The sunday scares that feeling of dread in the pit of your stomach. That comes on sunday afternoons now. Here's a totally different. Sunday scares vitamin boosted. Cbd gumy's and don't even have to wait until sunday night rolls around. Self-care is so important and sunday. Scary is here to help. Sunday scares believes that everyone deserves a hand on a difficult day. So if you're looking for a way to decompress sunday scares. Has you covered with their cd. Products visit sunday. Scary dot com use that promo code sexy liberal all one word at checkout to get twenty five percents off your order. That's twenty five percent off at sunday. Scary dot com promo code sexy liberal these statements and not been evaluated by the food and drug administration these products are not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. These products are not per user sale to persons under the age of eighteen sunday. Scary dot com type in sexy liberal boo. Jodi help mommy. What do you need me. I'm miss miller milady. Well okay. I don't i feel like i've been asked to everything in the world Just the story. How do you remember all these stories because the the stories just even the latest book are so funny and there's those of detailed about You know. I have a good memory. I'm blessed with that. I'm just reading the chapter on the question and answer thing that you were like. Oh well. that's a dumb idea. That's you're nervous. Yeah and then. That became yes. Such a huge thing. I think you know The executive producer at the time. That was bob banner. He suggested it. You know and i set my. We said you should do the warm up because you're going to be getting into all those outfits and blackout teeth and bat suits and everything. The audience should get to know youth. I right and Also gary did that. Gary moore to that they never taped it. Yeah he said. I want to do the warm up. I don't want some a stand up. Comedian come out. Yeah then do it. He's going to do it and he did. Cuny and i used to listen to him. Just marvel that so. That's a banner. Suggested he said because and and we'll tape it and oh my god oh no and they always say like you know people you look like. Oh i wanna be a character. I'm not used to being myself. I'm not a up. And yet i feel like it was so popular because i think your kindness and and just sort of it just kind of shines out and i think that's you're just so genuinely lovable. I want an quicken. Finding you weren't like the the kind of mean quick. Funny you know you you were. I wasn't doing standup. It was it was a conversation with the audience. Yeah i couldn't go out and tell a joke. Save my soul. Yeah so it was just a matter and then he said well maybe we could put some plants in the audience. You know and i said now you know what. If i'm going to have egg on my face at least they'll know it's honest right you know so i said i'll do it like three shows or shows and if it doesn't if i don't like it or don't feel good about it we'll just eighty-six that idea well after about a couple of weeks. When it was on the air people were coming to the audience and they were ready to ask questions and do stuff and something. It was sometimes better. Yeah because like if they wanted to come up and sing i say yeah if they wanted to do what come on. Yeah you know and so limber the lady gerry mccann. Yeah there was this one. Oh i loved her she. I never seen her before in my life and she stood up. Raise your hand and the audience. She looked like bea. Arthur when Be did laud stress just like right right it. She said i'd like to come up and sing. I said okay. Well she shot up like roadrunner. I mean i mean fearless this. What's your name. The terry mccann and i said kay. What do you want to sing it. Without missing a beat she turns to the band the orchestra and the band shell. She said you made me love you. And the kea g. Oh my god. And i started letting the audience so she started. She was pretty good. She go you may be love you and so then. I joined in and So i know the song so we're wailing away together. The audience was loving it. It was all just terrific. Then we get to the very tag end song. I had a way that i usually within that soil. But it wasn't the same way she would write usually in that kind of after all this wailing away it's kind of started to fizzle out and we got got a little quiet and she looked at me and she said well you screwed it up. Let's see this is what jodi inherited from. You did not know what other people shine. And that's why you know. Obviously harvey korman and tim conway vicki lawrence so funny. But you weren't you weren't insecure. What you you were you know. Happy have these equally hilarious people shine. That was gary moore yet. You know that that's where he was. The kirby was the other side kick. When i was on gary show in lots of times at a table read. He would say he'd have a joke or something. You give this. give it to carol say it. Funnier than i can. Yeah and even though it was his name everybody got a chance yet and that you know that's you know it's interesting i i was thinking that That's what i don't. We've talked about this. I don't get some you know. Even today some female comics can be very competitive. And not supportive of each other and you know jane fonda was just in here and she was talking about her friendship with lily thomas but then sort of more largely female friendship and i thought you know. That's what jodie and i have. But i think it's i'm certainly certainly what you in vicky of that for so long. I've sort of never understood that that you you you sort of just had this generosity of spirit that that I i think is what you know why you're so beloved has it but it was it was i did have another point. There helped me. I don't know dear lady. I don't know what to do. No i just. But i think it's because i was gonna say especially for you back in that day. Speaking of the sister. You really only woman when when your career had. Let's just say cooled carol and you called. Cbs to pull the trigger. They were like what i had this. And they're like no no no. That's from best for men dear. Yeah comedy varieties man's game. Yeah but i had this unusual contract that Said that if i wanted to push the button and do one hour comedy variety musical show. They would have to put it on for thirty shows. Yeah thirty one hour shows right right. you know. That's a whole season and okay. Let's do it so and they had no faith right. Listen i didn't know you. Were you ever going to be picked up or run as long as we did right there was somebody in. Qa one time a city you're going to be on next year and you were like I think Do you know something. I don't know you're right. Yeah but that was. I mean it is interesting. I mean well we got pretty close to having our first female president but i mean it is interesting. Isn't it the whole metoo. Times up carol burnett. Everybody just made a face. When i said that which makes it feel like. She was not pleased with the outcome of the twenty six. Louise miller i will pull the plug on this thing that's our tribute to lucy But you know the whole metoo movement. How female this blue wave is looking. I mean isn't that interesting that you were just such a pioneer that just women. They just said women don't do this. Here's this sitcom you can't do and it. Just that's why. I mean you're you're such a. I don't think it occurred to you. The you couldn't write where no because that's what that was my training right with gary. You know then what was great too. We never had any labor pains With my show right because we got this fame head writer. We got director right. We got the choreographer even the lead dancer don crichton came out. You know they had the faith and it was terrific so so we just went right into that whole school schedule. Which was the way we. We'd we did gary show By the way Thank us for not carrying it. My dogs have been molesting. My dogs have almost broken. An american legend trip coming over the step down into your base. I did almost yeah. Yeah well lily. Tomlin did a pratfall on the happy hour and we assume we we've already on american have the lily tomlin message gotta play the. Oh all right. But i was just sitting here. You are An avid emba lover. You do have dogs now. I have a kitty kit or you. At the door of we had she's a bengal cat anti what. Oh bengal dogs. Oh wow because. I the first one i had mabel right. She thought she would take the phone off the hook when she's hungry and i would see the photo light up and then go and she'd be sitting by her bull. This is like room service. You're not talking to anyone like it. Yup this well. I don't think i'm embarrassed her yet. No this is funny. She's drinking like lily. Did all right. Stephanie it's really i want. I want that damned of podcast. I wanted to eradicate further face of the earth. The earth is a face. Listen gonna call me back. No i'm not gonna do that. I don't have to say at all just wanted to call you and see how badly i humiliated myself yesterday. Being totally drunk but Anyway coming back with you can love your life. Love your show love you. Everything's going good by drinking champagne. I may champagne may have over. Served her driver driving safe. I love that method. That is earth of the next time. I'm gonna show you how. Oh yeah you you did not do that. On your podcast. Call fiji you famously. I mean you've worked with every other comedy legend. I mean just show biz. Legend julie andrews. I mean share all of those sketches. I mean i. I was reading again. I forgot about twenty eight piece orchestra. Twelve dancers to guest stars a week. Sixty five costumes a week. Yeah i mean so when people say. You couldn't even vaguely do this today. No way no way because the cost would be prohibitive right and no network would have faith in it right right but i mean i the other thing that was. Where was you. Were talking about the project you did with a amy poehler and produced it and i just thought it was so sort of hello name. What's that household script for that. It was amazing so funny listen. I have a lot of coping at prep. Okay but anyway. Basically we were just talking about how tb is done today and you were like forget it. This is really talking. About how many network notes. Kinda tell you and amy poehler how to do comedy. Yeah and you're just like you know what this is just not. This ruins the comedy. The the actual taping of the pilot went well. It was really funny. The audience loved it. And you know and okay. This is great then the network Came in and said they wanted to two of the actors who were really good really good. They just wanted more diversity and so forth and then talking about how the writer michael saltzman. Who is very talented writer. should change some of the script and do this and they don't know how to right right. I mean and so the michael did. And i read it and i said this isn't as funny as well right what we did there looking at you know and he and he said i i understand and i said you know what he said. What do you want to pitch it again. I said you know what i. I'm too old for this. Yeah i i never had to go through this my show and i just don't want some. Yeah network suit. Yeah or skirt coming in to say oh well. This is how you should do this. This is how you should do that. Mr palley who ran. cbs sir. when i Started he just said. Here's your show. Go do it. You're the artists. Yeah i'm the businessman. And if i were you i would have to slowly taken my mark twain award out and use it as a paper. I think shelley winters roster. Yes somebody said what. What's your experience your experiences. She pulled out her oscar and said this is my experience. She said that she said you. I did she have to oscars this one. And this is the yeah. I can't remember what ridiculous show. It was doing. But i am. My favorite network note is they came to my head writer in me and they said Do you have to make fun of things. You have to work so blue stephanie. Well yeah. I mean it's comedy we have to have targets. I did have oh there was one time but it wasn't with my show was when i was doing a special and the special was with lucy and zero still. It was called. Carol plus two right and i was doing a sketch zero mostel which is a tenth avenue. Couple that just tested each other. I mean we all we we made. Jackie gleason the honeymooners looked like the kennedys mean. We were just so ugly and yelling at each other and their tenth anniversary so then a phone call comes in. They find out that they weren't legally married for ten years. And now all of a sudden they're turned on by you know and my name in it was florence and zero. Did a number with my laura coming after me. And i go giggly do now. That's dress were one of the minions thick skin the dog. What voice zero i was doing. I can't katherine hepburn or or henry kissinger. But i can do zero mostel. I can do linnet saying blair. It's mother that's it. Your mother's delight no carry something different. 'cause i couldn't say. She sucks so minion from abc because it was a anyway knocked on the door and he came. He said i'm so and so I represent american motors which was going to be our sponsor right and He works for the head of american motors and he said you. You have to change the name florence to something else i said. Excuse me and we're going to do an air show in about two hours. And he said that's the president of american motors. Wife's name either tell you now. Yeah that's and so you know. And they're coming to the show and That's really not i. I can't s zero must. We've been rehearsing this for two weeks to all of a sudden call me gloria or linda or he's making a three act plan and everything he said. Well i'm sorry but you He left an bob. Right was the associate producer. I said the bob yet. Me the president of american motors on the phone. What i just just find out how. I can talk to him now before they come to the show. He gets on the phone remember his name. I said mr jones. I said you're coming to the show tonight. Ot said yes. my wife. and i really look forward two. I said well. I got a surprise. You i said smart. Yes what we're gonna use your wife's name in a sketch. Don't tell her it's a surprise. He said oh mike. How wonderful man. So now we do the show and they come to the dressing room after. She's all over me. Thank you so much. There's idiot comes in the you know hotels and he's just standing there with a gun is all just right and i just winked. Dad you know it worked. Of course don't give. He's like skittles mr addressing. That's great yeah. I began the story. I had my did my lateness showing ninety five. I was the halloween show when everybody was dressed up in the audience. And the re people dressed like amish people in the front and i made some just quick joke about your buggies over park double-parked or something and they stopped taping. They never stopped live to tape. They don't stop. stop stephanie. We have a technical difficulty. All disney executives run back and they go. We've redo that. we're afraid we're going to offend the amish. What like they don't have televisions or electricity. You and the i guess was kinky friedman and they said how'd you get that name and he goes. What originally was kinky big. Dick friedman stop the show. We go to commercial. Break one like my camera. Guys on the headset goes well. I guess big. Dick doesn't offend the amish. This is how it ended up in my basement. Carol there's no neck. I remember you actually. I was thinking of myself because you talked about your of the era where you love the whole mickey rooney right. This is what this is. I've got a basement was shown exactly jodi has we went to what bill maher together and that was the first time i realized that i was on your mom's ten i was like oh because they have right the things up and i was like oh this is stage in town. That is still is great states. Because it's not like those tears. You know that you go right. Go to when you see a taping where you know the bleachers right. I call it the lions versus the christians. Because they're looking down at you. Cameras are in the way but not at that stage right. Yes all right. I'm speaking network notes bribery. Today they go like. You can't break up during the sketch that's very unprofessional. Will need to start over right. This is the thing that was everybody's favorite and yet you've made the point that it didn't happen as much as people think it's just stands out you know. People think we did it all the time. But it was mainly Conway right that would do it. Because he he would Do the first show to the ink in front of the audience. The way we rehearsed it and then he'd go to the director said all the shots because we would tape that one. Yep okay then. Then he go wild on the second show right. He tried to kill harvey. Yeah this is golden. Life destroy harvey. This is probably mean a tough question given all the shows and all the years but do you remember a time like that you would feel you laugh. The hardest like got to be more than one. But i mean i think it was when vicky came up with the famous blooper tim was we. Were doing a family sketch right. And we were playing password right and tit. Tim was playing mickey. Hart and He was my partner and then vicky and dick van dyke on the other team vicky has mama. Yeah so tim went on this rant about. I gave them a password and he said elephant and it was completely wrong. I said how'd you get elephant out of that. He said well. I think it was humorous. And i was just trying to get back to say you know humor. He said well. I saw these humor. These funny elephants you know and they was joined at the trump. They're siamese elephants and he's making all this up and he said there was a little monkey that danced on the meringue gay and everything and then anyway he kept going and we're on like right trying not to laugh. The obvious cameramen everybody. He's on a roll right. And i keep saying to vicki here mama mama to give her the next password to get your mama lively. Vicki said you sure that little asshole through the audience crew. Every it'd be even ten. He fell off sofa yeah. He rolled on the floor. Zinke coming out of vicki. God you have a bunch of stories like that speaking of network notes right. What was the dancing cheek to cheap things. They thought were less dirty well. This is the only time program practices sensors cake. I was a nudist. And i'm behind a fence. Said keep out my shoulders bare bare legs with high top sneakers on and harvey's interviewing me voice over a just a bunch of nudist jokes. Yeah any so. What do you do for recreation. And i said well. We have dances every saturday night. He said how do you knew this dance. And my line was very carefully and so the network said that's too blue to blue little dirty. Yeah you have to change it. We actually this was the first one we wanted. We didn't think they do it so he said so. What are you knew this. Do we have dances every saturday night. how do you dance cheek-to-cheek and they bought that dirtier. They bought that this hilarious. Yeah larry that was the one we wanted the for the funnier line exactly. Yeah this is why. I did become you eventually. Just do you know if you were dirty and classless and worked in your basement. Actually like carol burnett my mom my ninety five year old trump boating republican mom. My whole life has been like a steffi. Do you have to work so blue. More trouble and such a fucking dick. I wouldn't have to say. That's not say carol stephanie. Louis miller. let's. I've heard that word her. Just now i remember. I mean you're such a i mean it's so amazing to be so famous for obviously that show and comedy but i remember friendly fire and you were so amazing and you know i i mean your range i just i still. I still hope you get to do more dramatic work. I hope we get to do more everything because it just. I would love to do something on netflix or hbo or something like that. Yeah a serious thing. yeah. I'm into all the cable stuff. I love breaking bad house. How car into better call saul. Wow whoo. that's good oranges new black jack. All now you're a little saucy coburn. We'll edgy little edgy. And your private. And i'd like say. My new best friend is vince gilligan. Who wrote breaking bed there you go. Wow i'd love yeah we let's have you come play a meth dealer of potty mouth meth dealer. That sure why not. Yeah Right up my alley. You know as i know this is a. It's a tough subject to segue into. But i was thinking about pending a mom who lost a child on friendly fire and then obviously you know we waited till the end to talk about kerry. because i know that it was Such a i remember at the time you were doing a brought What is it. What was the adaption of the. It was a arms. What's the brollywood arm. Yes hollywood arms. Which i went to see which was wonderful and i believe i left you a love letter backstage but It was obviously based on the book. You win carry it written or so you. You were sorta soulmates. In more than i mean creatively wrote together We perform together. Yeah yeah i mean. And that i. I'm sure had to be the tough one of the toughest things that you've ever. Yeah obviously but i mean that's it's not supposed to be that way. Yeah but I when when the last time she was admitted to the hospital she did have a great sense of humor. Well of you. My sweet. I was there i came in. You know that she'd been edited. It was late. And she's kinda sleeping. And i was just sitting by her bed. She opened her eyes. And i made this feeble joke. I said oh yeah you felt. You had to come back to the hospital on without missing a beat. She said i missed the food. Surprise one of your daughters be funny. Yeah but i mean but what a beautiful so no wait is there. We talk about carrying me. As i've heard rumors in hollywood that it might be made into an to. You guys are talking with allison janney. That is republicans hostile tastic. she's fantastic. That's great casting Issue hairy yeah anyway but that that would be so exciting. I would like to. I would love to see that Yeah this is how. Why are you so prolific as a writer. That's i wanted to do it. I yeah i wrote. When i was in school and at first i thought i wanted to be a journalist. I'm glad i'm not now right but I was burnett is implying that she would not wanna hire covered. The trump administration is a journalist so Yeah i was editor. Lie junior high paper in hollywood. High school news and i went to ucla to major in journalism. But they didn't have a major. It was just a course. So i joined the daily bruin i took the course and then i was leaving through the catalog at said theatre arts english right play writing courses and i thought oh what i'll do so. I majored in theater arts english but in that if your freshmen in theater arts english in any of it the arts drama theatre film you have to take an acting course. Yeah you have to take a costume. Of course you have to take scenery you have to take lighting mall of that. So takes us acting course i was terrified and i had to get up and do a scene and i picked something kind of light easy to do and the class laughed in the right places i thought. Wow this is a good feeling. I'd never done it before. And if if they'd had a a school a major in journalism. I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you now this now. Yeah so that was my ticket. Yeah eight is i remember. We all remember. I laugh anybody on the comedy of it is a high. Just can't you can't explain i it's in. Such good company is the one i'm midway through which i love and it's just it is amazing. I just think people so nostalgic not just for you know for you and for that time but it but it just like i say the we all remember the stuff you're talking about. I all my that sketch. And i mean. How many times have you endured someone going member when you came to understand and you had the curtains and you'd have to because you're so nice you're like oh my gosh. Should you know. I had not broadway training. That's broadway training because you do eight shows a week. It's the same thing same but the audience is different right. That's what you have to keep in mind that this is the first time they've seen this or the first time they have said that right me you know so you have to write well. That's what you always said. You wanted it to have the immediacy of theater. there's no stopping and starting no no right Yeah and i think that's why all it felt exciting. It live and it felt dangerous. Yeah dangerous yeah Wow in that the reunion show was so great it was so i mean just to see everybody again. You know but in a little sad but people that you've lost talking about harvey that And god daddy. Now i know it's Oh i nev- we had to redo that voice over right because we taped a unfinished to him a month before he say no. You're watching from hawaii mahalo and all of that rather than we had to re tape right. Yeah carol i what have i missed joni. I don't everything. I don't okay. You're so bad at this. I don't know what i'm so. Sorry mom no i've literally. Oh we didn't tell you the story that so because of jody's kindness right. I got to meet you the first time. And then you call my show. But i've never gotten to sit down and interview my lifetime. Idle and here owning a start crying again but so literally. This is my life because my life is very curb your enthusiasm we got a. I got a memo from the neighborhood. But they're like the tree trimming is finally happening. There will be was supposed to be the day we were taping with you there will be you know chainsaws and would chippers and whatever and i literally like. I'm like i waited my whole life interview. Carol burnett please don't because we were we were we were doing it with the sound effects would have been like right so i would think i'm so caroline and that would then i couldn't submit it to the doing. I'm yeah i can hear you. That's only power left in life is that i was like plays. We'll talk and kill you burnett plus. Don't park on the street. Oh sure all fucking park and hoof it is thanks. Thank you for jodi. Thank you for a lifetime of laughter and inspiration. I you just There's a reason you make everyone cry. Carol abbas sean. Thanks carol burnett dukes. Yes suck on that. Suck on that everybody. Happy hour carol burnett. Well there's a reason. God made happy hour. There's also so much going on in the world that can make it difficult to relax decompress right. You've experienced the sunday scurries that feeling of dread in the pit of your stomach. That comes on sunday afternoons now. Here's a totally different. Sunday scares vitamin boosted. 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"Cox you may know me from. Orange is the new black or disclosure. My hope it's at people listening to earn cock show gain new perspectives. That will inspire them to live differently. All of these things that we just accept as natural normal and inevitable. but they're not listened to the laverne cox show and the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Don't yuck somebody else's young make sure you subscribe and chance to another episode alchemy over nineteen twenty twenty. One edition hosts kolstad infer no particular order. The order only say hey decree always. I haven't mix it up. Necktie cartoon character you identify with the most disco to discuss you know. Explanation needed now. This dude is a neat explanation. All right Should know who's next based on the normal order. Please welcome back james. He he need year get to be visible for a day. What do you do. Non pervy stuff. What are you doing first of all. I wouldn't do anything. Non per i mean have well i'd be and it's nothing for pervious. Okay okay well I would probably go to a bank robert not this criminal. He's a good boy but not by the law. Look over there. Chris alvarado chris. What's great or terrible prank. You've been involved with in the past when i was really young there. Are these older guys playing football. My house and i had learned the trick. Where if you take a stick of gum out of out of a wrapper. Put the wrapper back into the pack. It looks like there's a piece of gum in there and this guy was sweating. And i said hey you want some gum. And he looked at me so seriously as a great and the need pulled out the juicy group an open it and there is nothing there i was. I was probably eight years old. And the disappointment in hurt that fell upon that man's face. I'll never forget and i'm so sorry. I did that to him. I'm sorry now you wanting to eat nicotine. Gum makes much more sense to say. Hello to jacqui guerrucci. Hello jackie what movie is a guilty pleasure of yours that most people probably don't you love Just like the twelve dates of christmas. Just a lot of bad. Chris movies and that one is particularly bad to women The trail of women is so god awful and yet i go back for more every year. I gotta see this woman. have you know. be absolutely upon Yes i say that is the guilty. That's the guilty is one nice. There's like if you get peacock there's like twenty seven thousand christmas movies on there if you look movies an credible amount of hall marquis. Christmas movies That's a weird plug for peak and finally joey hair. Joey heard that you just wrote a new sports jammed. Give us a taste okay. What can't give the whole thing. Because because i'm in negotiations with a couple of works as finance and it tastes oregon. Yeah but it says can be a mouthful can be the entire plate cost. Let's not let's not fuck around here. Okay i'm not going to get my ass sued because you want me to break protocol and breach of contract because you wanna taste. I'm a fucking professional. I got about a twenty figure. Deal on the table and a shit on it and then get and then get a pipe break in my toes. I'm not gonna do that cole. Okay i'm an individual respects my craft i respect contracts all right so that's the sparks jam. I can give you a little bit. I can give you a little bit already. Come on what are your feet do. Do they hit a ball. Come on what are here. Hands do do they grab vat come What is your head do. does it hit a ball. Come on what is your chest. You does it. Move like this. And i'm pretty. I'm pretty fucked up. I guess properties Zuma bob alright. Oliver seen suggestions are gathered from listeners. Emails or from patriot. Vip's to become a patriot supporter of the show and enjoy exclusive content. Other perks just head on over to patriot. Dot com slash. Out to me this. If you'd like to receive the email please write to the podcast at your name. Year at optimizes dot com. That's your name ear at clean waters from patriot. Toby who wrote. Hey kevin. i'll tell you said hello. I i appreciate the shadow odds you guys have given to me that. It's been a lot of fun. Those of us evolves come from very different backgrounds. Different lives but your podcast is brought us all together on a common ground to create friendships that would have otherwise never existed. I want to make it abundantly clear. How incredibly thankful i am and we are. My suggestion is actually thanks outcome. I can make that a thing that recently joined the oximeters discord chat with this person. Didn't want the credit. So i'm happy to receive it. On their behalf scene is cowboy dracula. Thanks prospect out here for a long time by myself just out here. So here's saying you hadn't seen a man or being that looks like this sir. Well have seen a man. And i've seen of bain before out here in this desolate piece of land. You've seen a lot of crazy things. He's going to be joe help. He's going to be absolutely no help. And they over norwood older. I mean if you let's let's let's give them a chance to speak as based we might want everything at least get a sketch of what he saw after fifteen feet tall that he had ears pointed to the sky sharp teeth and those teeth were used to puncture next or other parts of the body in suck the blood out leaving just a hollow of a corpse taking sir so we have a fifteen foot person pointing things okay You said that well look jenkins. There's no reason you have to be to be so condescending to the locals here you know. I was doing a perfectly good job of being sheriff fear before you came in for the big city and decide to stir things up two hundred. These couplings are worth more than your entire. Everything and those are some good cufflinks. I've ever seen barky boroughmuir suspect for a the kid all right. Well how do you do the shush. Let me just wore it. Indeed ear do stranger. Are you looking for a good time. You're cough please. Please cover your mouth. Oh wait is that. Steve burke your losses a little bit of blood all worry about nothing to worry about. It's not contagious. Reckon it's very contagious. Once you say your name was young what what was the kid. The kid and to on the reg were we have cattle and we do around up and the rodeos who radio sorry. Yeah ok wasn't how you doing. I'm with you very much. I'm doing quite well actually today. Feeling good in my body. And i had been sick for a long time today. I woke up. And i felt refreshed for the first time. I usually wake up a little bit tired today. I woke up and zing zang my body. How are you. I'm great thank you now. I'm sure you know about the string of murders that door sweetie. It's somebody. I'm not sure but he's good. He's doing what i'm good. How are you sir. Howard this very reading. I woke up feeling good today. We were both sick. His corn dog gets cornball. Doing pry has an auto. And i'll tell you that so. Yeah we felt good today. He's a good day today. Give me one second now. I don't know why you keep bringing me to these weirdoes. Okay they're not gonna give me any information. Well look you know. They are the town gossips. They see everything. And you know you're going to have to take a lot of information. Ninety five percent of it will be useless but the five percent that is gold that japan for okay the five percents so i will take it so much of your time with the very. We actually have a lot of time today. We're actually newly retired us to. We used to work together of the town. And what we're gonna we're gonna set alarm see somebody bought it for good amount of money and now we are all set in the day. We die which will tell you know. Tell you how much it was. How about maybe. Maybe two hundred thousand dollars last until the absolute day. We pretty sure that's going to be in about ten years and four days preteen years and four days. Oh yeah. I mean there's There's a couple of people here who are sake. Kennedy science is one. I work chris but at the end of the day. You have something you want to bring to the table. Eat it raw ninety food on my table for dry hair. Because jesus didn't he ate with the centers and he ate with the saints. He ate with prostitutes and he ate with a so at the end of the day. I'm going to go and have a median. Tell me exactly what i'm gonna look. There's maybe out there if there's any kind of median. I'll we're going to find out what's going on to just jenkins that five percents. That was useless. Cowboy is okay. If i join you. Sort of game of card gambles a c. You'll have game going. I joined in here. I'm playing solitaire. Tabart who played solitaire corner could play. I don't know what we'd call it a dula tear a tool. Yes sit down partner to hunt jovita. My head's keeps eating wall. Ceo you're a tall son of hitch. How are you a followed. The black six so five for the six. Thank you play in this game by myself though stairs. Right there i was. I was looking through all my options as look through my options. This games fucking indentify up all right. Why don't you come over here. We'll play a three person. Game of canasta. What's a good three player card game. So you're telling me all of these pigs have two holes in their neck and they're all the blood out there all day. They have no blood in their bodies that correct and what were. They only had no holes audie payment. They got a hole in the neck ran a bleed out man. Anthony towns city. I understand i understand. Do you have a any idea who or what. Oh telework told you take in a loud in label had to t- colty of the more now but only tall. Now look sheriff sheriff. I think i'm just about done here here from new orleans. I don't know. Here's what i don't know how they got hearer. Everybody when you're not so that's fair. Everyone seems to be describing some kind of bracket but doesn't give me a lot to work with. These people have hyper machinations. The probably have very low. Iq's and i just keep hearing from everybody. Everybody somebody tall. Somebody pays the things that doesn't help. Well isn't healthy. Aging jenkins's are simple people and their straightforward with you. So whatever they're saying you've got to weave that into your theory because everything they're saying is true. I need a drink time coming to door. Hold on a second. I just woke up a just walk up dr now for us a sheriff's and guy. Hey vlad it's a it's the sheriff. This is agent jenkins from the cia. Also possibly a time traveler. How we we're just doing a routine It questioning of all the All the townspeople. No vlad the kid here is. has lived in this town for years and years as reductive the citizen. I honestly don't know if he's going to be any use to you whatsoever but There's been a rash of Of people murders in pig murders Have you seen anything unusual. These terrible yes. I seem very unusual. Things The one thing that i saw was a There was a a pig that was back in the other. Big like he earned and now he is a vampire baby. Somebody did somebody die. Recently blood in your family a coffin in there. Just move your head a little bit. just move ahead. that's his side hustle of by a. Make the cough. Sometimes they sales coffins on the side. It's you know we've got a high death rate in this town. There's a there's consumption going around and there's a lot of card game violence. Sheriff the did they have a five day. Your son no. He's he's he's still hopefully out there somewhere but but probably dead to see someone like him but these little wilder now you pay no attention. Dan's hey you bruce bruce bruce boy all right. You're so pale what happened then. I don't know my hatfield who z. Y. you've got to puncture marks in your neck just like pigs books like what's happened. It's very easy to explain. No need to explain. No need to explain went. Don't know all the need to explain all the need to explain. What shar i know. Vlad updated just about every thing in this town. Ma'am can you pay your objects. I'm sorry the left one's the good one. I can say the ride just all right. So what do you know about. Vlad specifically was excuse for the lady won for this candlestick. Thank you very much. Just one moment Data's candlestick early yet. A question about blair. That see aggressive. Was he nice Aggressive in a good way. Let's just say i call him. Blad the man. Let's just say that very giving very giving out from underneath from a between your legs virtuous yet take him out the hand of. Where's the candlestick going. Listen i've got cold hands. Got a warm up somehow. What better way with the handle ryan doesn't charlene was what they're saying boy. That's what's fun. That was fun now. Last time you made me invite you to enter my body. Do that again if you want. But honestly i have permission among like a little more Spontaneity so i'm just gonna go make some to if you happen to come come at me. Just know that it's consensual. I'm consenting right now headed some. This was an invitation but this is officially invitation. It is well. It is less of an invitation and more of a. If you decide yes you can. It's a green light. It's a pass but it's not a direct Sometimes do you invite. Here's the thing. Sometimes i want to be pursued. I don't want to always be the one now. Look sheriff. I think the personality speech in the towns the cowboys who play solitaire by himself. That correct. yep the cullum solitaire joe. John played asked occasionally. But you need at least three other people in two decks all right. This is head on into the saloon. here Now shane scenic gaddam vampire where he that's crazy just discount everything he says don and don porta me. Excuse me i'm kind of in the middle of a game understood. If i could just have a moment of your time. I'm here with the sheriff I'm agent jenkins right. There that you go right carol. Yeah but i don't wanna make a move. I can't take spec and thank god. You're ice is up. Just a couple of questions just just one question what anything suspicious happening lately in the town that you've noticed i understand keep to yourself but maybe you've got is i. I haven't heard anything suspicious. Maybe it's a macabre. I don't know. I don't wanna wanna get nervous alter joe i just. I just couldn't believe they almost missed the knicks. Put up top. Who sweating profusely. And i gotta tell you. I'm trained at the cia. I understand what is it. The cia again. It's the california institute of arresting. Oh shit sounds official church it now. This is up there. Go to listen. I gotta ask you a question. Maybe you can step outside like totally. New mayonnaise led all over me man consumption. Lula belle sit down. Oh my gosh. How do you wanna go first so you ought to take. I'm gonna go upstairs with my lady friend. Just wash your. I'll watch cards. Make sure no one. And analogous outside you tonight after dark. So solid there. Joe along the way i feel very targeted here in the us should leave your preconceived notions about imple- from baltic states. At the door before you accuse them a look look. I've learned a lot spending time in this town this week. And you're right. I owe you an apology and We at california institute of arresting are aiming to do better in the future. You're right you're number one suspect and and i'm sorry about that now now. Did you wanna come into my hotel room for a drink. Yeah of course. I invite you glad to come on into my hotel room for drink. This is going to be ads. 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Dustin hoffman but that's not her name breath it's really what is her name It's what the hell's her name. I forgot or i'll be you slut. I hear you're seeing two bows right now. One of it. I just saying you know like your bristles. Get around the all know it. There's a reason it seven out of ten doctors recommend you. You bet everywhere. You're getting around and the reputation is out there. I'm just telling you now as a friend. Luke phillips you're not much of a friend if you're throwing these accusations my way. Okay i like to have a good time. I liked to party. I i like. I like two party. Okay yeah we understand that but you know what your bristles are getting super worn down. You're gonna wear out so much earlier than the rest of it. Just means that i'm having a good life having you're bristles are intact. You're boring okay. Wow yeah are anaheim is yes so i don't have super special bristles that get to the hard to reach areas like you do. I get that i see way. That's attractive for all those mouths. Okay but i'd be the best i can. I have a dentist phone number on me. And i was given free and i'm just grateful for any mouse that will use me speaking of which mark. It's not that big a deal i'd ever wanted to use the same toothbrushes. You okay so this. One here unwrapping it now. This one's mind. We're from this point forward using two separate toothbrushes please. For god's sakes could you just keep your somewhere. I can't get to it when i'm asleep in mark. I mean i'll do everything i can but this is really unnerving for me and we've been sharing everything. We have one pair of underwear one pair of socks. This isn't normal. These are things that. I'm not supposed to be doing these things i feel like i'm talking to two different works when you're asleep. You're all about this but then when you're awake you're not mark what's going on when i'm asleep. I'm a different person. Okay so i need you to keep your clothes your toothbrush. Anything that we might share. When i'm awake. Every is enclosed everything mark. I'm going to have to ask you to move out this is. This is our apartment. I'm going to have to ask you to move out. It's i have to live alone. I can you really pay half. I haven't really budgeted out. But i'm sure that i can. If i cut back on cable and no march you do live alone and you're not getting along better. You can wire my gums turning purple and black. What's wrong with me. There's no room mate. There's no room mate that who's toothbrush by sharing. I don't know how to answer that for you. I can just tell you out. I don't know have you tried. Switching toothbrush says toothbrushes tried switching to brushes toothbrushes the to say feeling that like in your toothbrushes a little slut. Ya don't wanna use it anymore because it's a nasty little slut so weird that you brought that up because yes right looking at this thing and i can barely fucking recognize it. I'm like this is listen. There's like having fun and like doing your thing but then there's like you're a slot i mean i'm using an ob and the word oral is like right in there. They i job is that we have to cheese. Decorates is every two zachary's yes thank you one of them is soft cheese. The other one's hard cheese. I'm getting the cheese. Yeah you should see A piece of hard cheese right on the rim right. Is this options dockery. That's okay. I needed a specially big straw to suck up all that cheese course. Of course me see if we don't have any seven eleven slushy straws. In the bag phillips. What happens you. You look different. You think look different. You don't look so good phillips. Yeah okay well. You know. I it turns out that or d- gave something to my owner and i contracted it so like the his mouth is herbal and blue and i i my bristles are falling out and i don't know how much time i have got him certain here that i mean when i had that issue i just i just put it in a new a new head you know but you don't have that option do you now. I'm not electronic. Fancy like you. I get it. I'm base k. It is okay. The said listen. You know people use toothbrushes discarded crushes for other purposes the just brushing team in jail. Joe okay but i. i don't really want to be shipped as my last act. Mark the therapist trying to break us up. We can't have that okay. We can't go to the therapist anymore. You understand okay. I i hear you but then business we do so. I try to order multiple meals at a restaurant. Why why is he was size. It always a thing where it's costing about us understand okay. Stop talking about forty people living in this house working to overthrow ser. I i came. I've never seen a therapist before. Is it can. I lay down or do do i have to set up. Should i lay down. You can do whatever feels comfortable account just gonna lay down My boyfriend mark merck. His has been acting. He's an acting so weird and i've been feeling so disconnected and then he shot himself in the fucking face in the face and he lived and i have to stay with like such issues obviously unit mean like he shot himself in the face and so i would think that would take him out of the picture for me but now i feel so much more trapped like i can't believe this guy. He just shot himself in the fucking phase. Now you psyched pretty common. Actually it's called the case. It's called the case of the fight club and it's like it's been documented. It happens okay. Yeah i've seen. I've seen that documentary actually. Yeah case the people in it. I mean we are for real. I mean seems weird. It seems like the to the coffee table. The hair parlor. Why did you still here. I tyler still here with me. I got a real you other people here. You just shop my ear off mark okay shop. Who supposedly get rid of you. Then why the fuck would you think shooting yourself in the head. Kill me so crazy you are mark. That's a crazy or that's what you need me okay. She's put this teaching around. Poke out the side pull over. Pull over man. Have you had any cheese tonight. I e e how about your friend there. I had so much as soft cheese. I had hard cheese. That's why i'm driving. I'm going to have to ask yourself what's your what's your name. It's not important step out of the college. Just crazy eddie does he. But are you okay. now. I'm just. I'm just i'm just well i got to or making me blush. Smell smell is again incredible burgers. I had a manchego forgot about this. Look look youtube. Really nice okay. Do we need to name. Jesus while we walk backwards. I think he got a name. My phone number. Guess my phone on one. Two three four five. He got officer. I know it's weird. I don't have a license mature crush. But i have to get to. The prison has to get there. Oh you're going there. Step out of the car you're going they're going to prison. I can roll out. Okay rollout look at these filthiest bristles. You belong in prison kiddo. Near the back of the car we go. I'm driving to prison joanie did you. Did you arrested toothbrush. What's up your toothbrush. I be as workouts. I love josie. Jim here at the present. Tony did you arrest a toothbrush. I had a weird day. That's you mean down. Is this your gift. Smell my cheese. Tony dude i just need catering electrolytes are like. Are you want cheese right now. Question answer you and cheese right now. She's shift a little cheese. Who kidding me until cia up our ass right now. We're gonna come in here rushing a good into i fucking bean-and-cheese do okay. What do you do. I'm not well right now. No secret now. Well we get more on the street telling everybody about what our plans. Are you better shaped up a shift out. Okay i'll ship. She a sheep up sheep up all shape up. Don't make me. I won't make me you understand. I do. I do okay. Walking away i feel better already. I'm going to stand here. i'm not going to. I actually feel good. I feel good. I know i'm gonna use this time now that we have all this tire the tell you i do think you're real. We might have been on the ground. Okay frank black. We're going to check that again. The the vocals are getting really distorted. It kind of sounds like doing the instruments to be okay. You could plug your answer. Sammy can do whatever you want to do. But you don't you don't have to do all that swami just instrument track. I none Vocal sick look. We can do that. Okay are ready. Go whenever you're ready and then you can just loop that great line for one second. I think he's cheesed out of his brain cheese out of his mind in there he definitely is but he's a brilliant brilliant move. I know you know. Should we just wrap it for the day. Seeping comeback with less cheese on the mind. You know it's his duty. At time. he may say bush to drop off this damned fuckers with the focus say jive. Obviously she are here. We don't want someone shown into my room book dark. Don't shove me. i'm a producer. You probably pretty's asked bitch as your and that's our second with the music. The pixies free fantastic looking for a new podcast. You do not want to miss under the influence. I'm your host. Joe piazza and i'm taking you into the depths of the mom internet a place that preys on some new mothers while also minting millionaires instagram ruins women. Before time influencers certainly feel the pressure had. Could i have a baby and not share it. I'll come two months to graham if not for influence under the influences. 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I just feel like we're kind of the same and this is not about me or you. This is about nor ma looking amazing new. Norma looking this good. I want to. I want to be back in the spotlight. Wanna be in the light. Dohrmann com ready for your close up of having norma wants to do. This is the wild goose tiktok. Kimbuba hasn't gotten band or fly get. It's just like i think it's this woman just getting defibrillator over and over again due to say an f. L. dude it's peanuts. I'm just trying to work here a sick. What's your handle ball. You could follow me back. I'm not on tiktok them in my forties. Oh my god. you're not on tiktok. What are you still on instagram. You old fuck do get on tiktok right now. I think i've instagram. I barely use it to think. Did you betterman. it's all about the follows right now. I got about three hundred. Fifty thousand followers might talks. Get over seven million views. Look i'm just trying to secure this crime scene pal. I hear you talking about tiktok bro. 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Norma that's just feels better right the new normal. I'm sorry did. I have a good idea or did you. I'm just. I'm picky back this. You know i'm i'm seeing. Yes and all right. Frank black you want to do another. Take the blink. Let's go can do the instruments. I again thank much. Whenever you're ready to the south loop it luca. Look you don't have good ideas. A good castro has good ideas. Okay okay yeah we collaborate. So what's up. Luke normally bring every single board member of ca to is a year. What's up with the good news and what we wanted to shame you one of the time. What yeah usually our policy can't do it in private but we can do it publicly. What's the ish ideas because you're dumb dumb. Lost seven million dollars on one bling bling video. That's not true. That's yup you got to lose money to make money guys. You see you gotta spend money to make money not lose money to make. What did i say. Lose money to make money lucy lucia. I think that man it's beeping machine. Is i think he's trying to kill me. I think he's an undertaker. Will oko tiktok. Okota go to you want but i need this machine that keeps beeping. Took it out of my way you get out of here. I mean yeah we can. We can post it on all of your socials that that's how you feel and it can almost be like a news alert yoga do opt gotta get me out of this room away from the car many hyperbolic let me just see how short i can make the sentence explaining what you just said to me. Do it before that gas back. Cassette guy is trying to jake. This hour at times square screen is going to be a new a new post from the new normal. Everybody check this out. This is going to be here actually called the new norm. That doesn't make sense. Because norma it seems like that would be the better. So here's here's the goes. I mean that makes us like norm macdonald or something so sure so wrong but look. Here's here's the new one was already a sitcom yes. They went with new norm. Short shows normal. Because that's her name. There's no wrong. Those i get my idea was right. It'd be the new norm. I'm sorry i don't have any. Get your tickets. No we're just. We're just outside here standby lines. I'm just trying to find the bubba gump. Shrimp company. I'm not get me out of this rule. I gotta get away from this machine buddy else but look this horse fucking a real man. I mean you see just that. Thanks everybody for being here That you to sound engineers. That i mentioned to each track We all know normal. She's right here next to me. She has pledged on dude. All right. wait wait. Here's this out. It's really good. My best idea yet. Normal wants to live in infamy. She's going to unplug a heart. Monitor and data will beat the soundtrack to her death. Saw me out now studio producer. We're going to lay down. The instrumental do know his roche. Of course how. How long have you worked with them euros name. What's his name. I referred him his title. Show respect what's his name is late on the track. I thought okay as name just to say his name. he's worked. I don't. I don't want this attention. No it doesn't matter. I'm the studio. It's fine fun. You have a name. I know you do look at me look at me. I know you say his name. Do you know this is going on the new platform. Yeah i can't wait to see it that man that is thank you say. What's his name. Wait wait wait. Wait wait a second. Are you trying to tell me that. There's a new platform. Because i wrote a really bad song called bling bling to capitalize on the link. Lang is that we've moved back here at this point to say her name. The superstar guys only need to know is enormous. And she's here next to me. She's going to lose your name no money. I don't know know this young man tried to just pull the goddamn plug. You'll get all the likes. You want you want to lie. She wouldn't be relevant again. That's your desmond. Silent film star sunset boulevard. Come to light the lights. 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Glenn Close, 'Hillbilly Elegy'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

18:49 min | 8 months ago

Glenn Close, 'Hillbilly Elegy'

"Hi everybody. I'm peter travers. This is popcorn What's happening at the movies and my guest today. is glenn. close one of the best actors on this planet. You heard it from me and you heard from everybody else. That caesar in anything you people need to get now busy on netflix. And watch glenn. In hillbilly jay where her talent is shining on its highest being. So congratulations to you. God thank you peter. Thank you very much. And i'm looking at you and when i see you and you'll be billy algae i say who the hell is that. What about this transformation that you make to play this character. Well you know. It started. When i when i knew i was going to do memo is started with. I can't be distracted by my own face. I can't you know if i think the audience sees my face. I'll be very distracted by that though. I called matthew mongol reading. Oh genius makeup artist. Special effects makeup in mossy oak own views is done my wigs for practically my entire career and they had done also janet mcteer ni- and albert and matthew came up from texas where he's kind of semi retired when i still had a house out you know in westchester and we sat in my kitchen and he experimented with with shapes because it was really amazing. How just a very slight alteration of its shape of your nose for example can take your own face away so It was that and also mammal in life had big ears so he added you know size of my ears in my ear lobes. In the night. I curl my hair and made it all frizzy and ron came over because he just lives over the border in connecticut and he was kind of he was convinced because it i of course you know you worry about the time taken in the chair in the morning with any kind of percents but this was actually you know just slight difference of the nose and ears in it. I i was reading an hour every day But that was the beginning. And i we were given a portrait of mammoth fabulous portrait for slightly looking up with the big glasses and her hair and that was kind of what we went on. And then eventually saw videos from the family of her inaction laughing surrounded by kids pulling a wagon and then i the thing that was most valuable for me was to have one on one with bev with lindsay with a cousin with jd. And just saying okay. How did she sit. What did she wear. How did she hold her cigarette What was her voice like what. What was your energy like when she came into a room. What was her house like. So just very specific things not to pretend i was her but to somehow find the essence of this woman. Who is just. I mean loved feared feared and loved. When you get a property like this. I mean let's start by that. How did it come to you. He'll billy allergy. Who showed it to you. I said well. To tell you the truth. I read the book you know. Not long after came out because i wanted to educate myself kennedy. Was it her. She made the wonderful wonderful documentary about the hill. People that i remember vividly. But that was more like the shacks in the moonshine. And that's kind of the cliche and cliches are uninteresting. And i think cliche can lead to people being stigmatized and i think this group of people have been stigmatized. And then i heard that ron was had gotten the rights was developing the script and i wrote him a note and i said when you're thinking of memo please think of me thinking never in a million years would you. Because it's not like casting that you would necessarily leaked to. But then he got exciting for. You is the best thing about exciting new territory. And that's the essence of what we do right. I mean we were. We explore the human condition. And you don't want to go over territories spiritual emotional psychological that you've done before and so this was a great great journey for me to to learn about mammo to meet her family. I really believe i. It's just a fact that all great drama is based in family and you tell a very specific story about family and it has repercussions for everyone matter who they are and and that to me is the value of making it authentic and honest because then people can say they they almost subliminally will link it to their own lives. I heard that you met her son. Oh yes yes. He came settled. So what did he say when he's looking at you playing her and in a way reproducing this woman who's gone now he couldn't believe it. I mean the thing when the family and they came later when we were like a bunch of them came on on the day that i shooting the scene with little jd when he's I've told that he has to give his p to his mother and they came onset set. We're we're on a location. And some of them started crying. They somehow whatever we found was the mammal that they remembered and her son came came in another scene and he had to leave because he got so emotional. So that was really gratifying. I think we wanted to do justice. And we wanted to in way carry on the legacy of mammal. I women all over the world who are mammals you know. Always a yankee game sat next to a grandmother and grandfather. Taking care of their ten year old grandson. And i think he'd oh my god no retirement for them. I said their daughter was unable to take care of them so they were raising their grandson and it happens a lot in this country that know. We see every time we turn around to do that. And i say from the specific comes the universal to do that. But i think it's going to have an effect watching this movie now because all of us many of us even if we're lucky enough to live in some kind of bubble where we have. Some family members with us isn't going to be a thanksgiving where we can all get together in large kind of group. it's just impossible with this pandemic. How are you living with. Pandemic there in montana. We'll see interesting. Because i've not achieved as much creatively as i wanted. I wanted to really really right. Haven't and i'm not sure why not be. I think it's brought a kind of sometimes. I feel like. I'm spinning my tires. You know in in the mud and not getting a traction. And but i make sure my sink is clean all the time. My kitchen isn't border. You know i make i will. Do i think that every day going. After the i kind of the little things to keep my life in order that have been important but he things are building. I think i would like to think that a great great era of creativity for for all of us who are in the are artists will come out of this. Whether is you know something's just stating whether you're aware of it or not. But it's there it's going to happen or are you able to work on anything now. During this time. I see people slowly going back to work but with a lot of conditions about having to work while in lockdown done. Well i did this crazy thing for amfar. Wright played roy cohen with with A pizza murchison up in seattle playing Belize and that was that was fun shona with. My niece helped me do that and it was. They used a collage. It looked like we were in the same room but it was mind blowing. You should see that because we did scenes from from angels in america and it's remarkable because everyone was isolated but brought together by this technology And if there was something really moving about it. What i wanted to ask you before when you talked about getting into a character like a mama that she's where did these characters go glenn. Where do they live in you or do you do an extra schism after you to each no they become. I've learned from my characters. You know. I'm i'm a introvert. I'm so not mammal But it's our people to think of you that way since you've played a lot of characters the opposite of introverted. It's so ironic. but her. I learned from them. Because you have go to a place where you love them you know you have to find the common humanity with them and and in that journey of finding a common humanity you learn something from these characters and you. I think it's made me stronger. I i honestly do playing a character. Like mama it's almost as if she was a relative in some way and somebody that you admire and that you love and it all. I mean that's why i think actors should only get better because the more you explore the more empathy should feel the more tolerance issued are understood the common humanity of what this what we're doing on this little speck of dust. You know upsides memo what characters. What couple of characters do you think. You learned the most from from playing as far as characters. That i deeply moved by norma desmond always and hopefully i'll have one more wacker on film. I hope so less than we talked. That was still in the cards and yes very few crawling closer but you know they'll have to exhume me from my coffin but no we don't want it that i mean very rare to get that opportunity as you had to play the same character decades apart and i haven't seen both live performances. That have very different. Norma desmond that he played most recently announced that we're seeing up there on stage. It's not like she's somebody that you take on the road and always play the same way. You seem to be finding things in her. That weren't even there before. That's absolutely true. The second time i did it was one hundred one hundred and eighty degrees different approach to the character and what fascinates me about the. The possibility of doing our in film is what does that mean because film and stage are so so so different and yet this character is so powerful. I mean that story is a classic for a reason it has. It's like a great fairytale. they're they're they're subliminal resonances. We're not even aware of that. That's story brings out on us. And so i can't wait. I think it will happen. I'm not sure when. I hope you know by summer of next year. But we'll see. And i think it will be really exciting. Because i stopped pip. Get up and move around when it's always a good sign. My dog lily lakes bust into the room. Like this and then jump onto the screen and knock it over so oh her out of this right now. So don't have that it's just it's too much. Hippie is a very good movie set dog. In fact it's so funny. He fast becomes the mascot. Whatever move on. And i actually heard where the in hillbilly pippi stepped onset say stepped on stepped on gun going to give himself as own art to do of. Let me let me ask it. I know it's a weird question but a again whenever you do make film more something happens like this. We always god. She should win the oscar for playing this. How are you dealing i. I know that your gracious about it. I was the one who is most pissed off when you didn't win for the wife but you seemed all great about it. How do you handle things like that. Well i got nominated for my first movie. Which was the regard and and i i honestly feel That to be nominated by your peers is about as good as it gets. And then i've never understood how you could honestly compare performances. I remember the year gwyneth. Paltrow won over that incredible actress who is in central station. Why is like you know it. It doesn't make sense. So i think who wins has a lot of things to do with how things have been you know whether it has traction or whatever you know publicity. How much money do they have to to to put it out of sight. So i you know i have to be philosophical about it if i was upset about it. You know meisel beat another. I'm very proud of of the times that my peers have felt that my performances with worthy of of attention and seven times. Yeah that's three emmys. That's three tony's a lot of awards there you know to do it. They don't think about it until they say well. Glenn was nominated seven times which he hasn't won yet and then then go. What and. Amy was up six times six times. Yeah come on. This has got to change i. Well i know but it's so sad. I mean if it happens when we're all known unable to celebrate in a room together. I mean that would be ironic. But that's what life does right but i i'm just i just hope i can. I can keep finding the parts because a lot of times. The i think it's about the role as an actor. You're dependent on you're dependent on somebody creating that and also somebody that says look. I want to play it right. Yeah it's it's you know it's like you know hepburn's that to me is terrible life this terrifying life this. Let's face it the best way to what is it is frightening in the wall there. Can you get that letter from heparin. That i have okay. I'm glad i persuaded you when you were mere child to join this terrible profession this terrifying profession and let's face it this delicious way to spend your life all that's and it is through this way to do it. Yes it is well. I'm told that my time is running out but agitated did with me the last time and broke my heart. I cried when he did it and we sang a little bit of from sensible boulevard of. Are you enough of a cockeyed. optimist be forbush again. What you want me to do that. I think it would be great in this that we go into a holiday space music. I remember ever hearing. When i was three and i looked up and saw the radio so the skies right canary yellow. Pretend i forget every cloud never see so they call me a cockeyed. Optimist immature and incurably green. I have heard people rant and rave and billow that worked on and we might as well be. But i'm only cockeyed optimist and i can get it into my head perfect. That was a great message to leave us with the holidays. 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Hollywood Tragedies: A Retrospective

Classic Movie Musts

1:11:14 hr | 2 years ago

Hollywood Tragedies: A Retrospective

"I'm Max Baril and this is classic. Movie must where every week we breakdown a classic movie well looking to provide artistic insight and historical context at the very least we'll talk about what makes these movies classics. Classic movie must releases every Friday ready to complement your weekend movie viewing plans for your enjoyment. Classic movie must is presented completely ad free. I'd love to keep it that way forever. Never separating you from our classic movie conversations. You can help keep the show and free over at patriotic. Dot Com slash classic movie musts costs. If everyone who listened to this show contributed the cost of just one Fancy Cup of coffee per month classic movie must could easily remain totally ad free not only that every patriots subscriber earns cool perks and ways to engage with the show including the opportunity to vote every month on a movie. They'd like to hear discussed discussed on the show all voting cost. You is one dollar per month a huge thank you to our patriots subscribers. You make this show possible you can read all about our support tears and their rewards over at Patriot Dot com slash classic movie musts if you've listened to the last two episodes of the show then you'll know that this week week and next week we're doing something a little different here on classic movie must in order to highlight some of my favourite older episodes of the show as well as prepare for great new episodes in the future or in the midst of doing a series of retrospective episodes that combined three older classic movie must episodes on a similar mm alert theme or genre in between each segment of the episode are briefly introduced the next film to come. Today's episode is a retrospective on Hollywood tragedies. He's which looks back at our episodes on all about Eve a star is born and sunset boulevard just like last week's retrospective of Romances on the road. This is a thematic retrospective that explores three tales of larger than life Hollywood performers and the tragedies that beset them so let's begin by jumping being back to episode ten of Classic Movie Musts and Discuss Joseph L. Mak- Woods is classic tale on the cycles of Hollywood fame all about eve. Keep thank you for joining me this week. As we discussed the classic drama all about Eve in this episode will examine how all about eve is both about and features very classical dramatic performances romances in our feature presentation. We'll see how art imitates life and vice versa in our buzz from the back lot segment but first. Let's get into this week's opening credits. It's our film. This week is all about eve. This classic drama was written and directed by Joseph L Mankiewicz and was released in nineteen fifty all about Eve Stars Bette Davis and Anne Baxter and and also features George Sanders Cynthia Home Gary Merrill and Hugh Marlowe for your streaming es. All about eve is available for streaming rental on itunes Amazon Amazon Youtube and Google play at a prestigious award ceremony. The celebrities of the theatrical world gathered to honor one of their brightest new stars the amazing young Eve Harrington played by Anne Baxter whose meteoric rise to fame is unprecedented looking on from the audience or many other famous fest B._N.'s and figures of the theater the well known director Bill Simpson played by Gary Merrill the successful playwright Lloyd Richards played by Hugh Marlowe and his wife Karen played by Celeste home and one of the brightest stars of Broadway the incomparable Margo channing played by Bette Bette Davis off to the side sits the well known and often reviled theater critic Addison dewitt play by George Sanders who begins to recount achieves recent past he better than anyone else knows all about eve not so long ago even just a star-struck young woman waiting outside outside the stage door night after night hoping to catch a glimpse of her idol Margo channing finally noticed and brought in Margot's friend Karen Eve gushes washes her unworthiness and gratitude and manages to ingratiate herself quickly into Margot's life as a general assistant before long Eve Eva's living in Margot's home answering telephones and bringing her breakfast in bed. Birdie Margot's made play by Thelma Ritter begins to dislike eve tells Margo that it's unnerving the way eve- studies her every move margot starts to become suspicious of eve and she begins to see plots and schemes everywhere everywhere turning back to Karen for help eve asked if Karen could possibly put in a good word for her with the producer of Margot's new play Eve would consider it the greatest thing in her life if she could serve as Margot's unworthy under study after Margo is late for rehearsal eve upstages margo badly astonishing the critic Addison dewitt along with the playwright Lloyd Richards with her wonderful abilities suddenly there's a new kid in town and and under her very nose eve stealing all of Margot's attention fed up with Margot's attitude towards Eve Karen decides to teach her old friend a lesson a suspiciously empty gas tank prevents Margot from returning from a weekend getaway in time for that night's performance and Eve takes the stage the performance blows the audience and critics away and Addison dewitt begins to take a controlling interest in Eve's career his review in the paper lauds. Eve and quotes are saying some rather nasty things about margot shaken into the realization that Margo has been justly suspicious of Eve all along Margot's closest friends Bill Karen and Lloyd Rally Rally around her Karen is surprised when eve pleads to meet with her but she's even more surprised when eve blackmails her into advocating to her husband that Eve get the starring role in Lloyd's new play. Eve is threatening to tell Margot that care and plotted the empty gas tank in order for Eve to get to go on stage that that night soon eve is on stage as the lead voids new play with bill reluctantly directing. Everyone is fighting backstage but eve reveals herself as a master of manipulation coddling and soothing everyone to keep them working together all the while driving wedges into their relationships. Addison dewitt has followed events closely and becomes. Eve's closest advisor. Sensing Eve is getting too full of herself. Addison tells eve that he will be taking full control of her career. When Eve resists Addison tells her he has other plans. You See Addison knows that eve is not what she seems. She has lied about her past her name. Everything in fact and he now has the power to record career before it really really starts evil now do what he says and so returning to the prestigious ceremony the wonderful. Eve Harrington is accepting an award from from a room full of her peers cold and calculating. She has achieved all her ambitions at the cost of all trust or friendship. Margot will go on being Margo. Oh and Eve will be left to her own bitterness at being under Addison dewitt control the budget of all about eve one point four million dollars. The the film brought in over eight point four million at the box office. All about Eve currently holds the number sixteen spot on F is one hundred greatest movies of all time time now fasten your seatbelts because it's time for our feature presentation as I mentioned in the opening credits all about eve was both written and directed by Joseph l Mingka's which is meaningful and that this movie is is all about strong writing and strong performances in fact largely what makes all about Eve classic movie must use a unique quality the movie we is what it's about and today's feature presentation will unpack that idea when I say that this movie is what it's about I mean that it's a movie about dramatic matic performance personalities while featuring classically dramatic performances the movie is about the symbiotic and sometimes tense relationship chip between writing and acting while presenting slick writing through the vessel of performance all about Eve is also about a young actress conniving her way to the top at the expense of her mature mentor and we'll see in our buzz from the back lot segment this movie revolves around competing performances from the up and coming actress and Baxter and the Hollywood icon con Bette Davis just like Margot argues with Lloyd about whether the writing or the acting is key to making a show great. Let's break down what the writing and the performances performances in all about eve being as the words come first. Let's start with the writing may what's his script combines both fast talking snappy dialogue and an intriguing digging tale of a manipulative con-artist a con artist so conniving that the story doesn't reveal what's going on until over halfway through making being that reveal all the more powerful. This twist provides an intriguing plot and allows for extra dimension to the characters. Margot begins the film as a self-centered Diva and eve is selfless and self deprecating but the reveal that eve is a conniving manipulator allows the characters to shift eve becomes dark and self centered and Margot INCR- interestingly becomes calmer in her personality but all the writing in the world would never come come to life without a corresponding performance and that's what makes all about eve special the writing and acting are beautifully instinct. They complement each other perfectly in some ways both the writing and performances in all about eve or overdone too dramatic to be believable. The campy quality of the acting acting however is not played ironically but there in lies the beauty of this film these are dramatic theater actors living their lives as if they're their onstage everything they do is as if they're playing to an audience whether that audience is present or not the performance of nature of Margot is easy to understand. She's a megastar famous for dramatic performances. It's not surprising when she acts the way she does. Her dramatic flourishes at Bills Birthday Party or the audition. Scene is what we expect from my world class. Dramatic performance what's equally impressive is the way in which she changes coming to appreciate friendship and love from a selfless perspective by toning down her qualities margot becomes he comes more accessible and by toning down the dramatic nature of the performance. Bette Davis shows her flexibility and range. Margot is perhaps less surprising using as a character in the film however what is surprising is the complete subservience of. Eve's character early on in the movie. It's easy for us as the audience is to question the awe with which eve treats Margot but once we realized that Eve is just placating Argo to learn her ways the nature of her early behavior is reframed. Eve's character is performing from the beginning of the film. Frankly she never needed to learn anything from Margo. Argo only get access to her network. Eve was giving an award worthy performance from the get-go and Margo and company where her audience <music> when she shifts into the ruthless blackmailer she starts playing a new rural then her performances begin to lose their desired effect. She's she's unable to seduce either. Bill Lloyd and she's unable to fool addison when he finally breaks down her tears are one last gasp at a winning performance that apathetic eve we see in her apartment in the closing scene is the only time we see eve not giving a performance. She's gotten what she wanted but didn't properly calculate the cost alone. She's now devoid of the enthusiasm that opened the film the Roth looseness of her in the middle or the emotion at the end. We finally get a glimpse of her. Between performances beyond the writing and performances formats is all about eve is a compelling commentary on the Star System itself dissecting what it takes to be a star and the cost of staying everyone the film reveals the dubious relationship that exists between the press and the star image that audiences consume the ever shifting power power dynamic between writer director actor and critic is laid bare the film combines the elegance sophistication that one comes to expect the classical Hollywood drama but while also showing us the ugly underbelly of the system that makes stars only to cast them aside the film satirizes the cult of the movie star while also reinforcing it all about eve is a celebration of classical dramatic performances but also a critique take of that star system. We see how these performers live. Insecure lives constantly seeking the praise of others yet we as the audience audience gladly heap praise on the actors. The nuance of all about Eve comes to light when we step back far enough to see that this movie success this is due to the fact that it utilizes all the same elements dramatic performance and strong writing the cult of celebrity that it demystified within the story story in the end all about eve celebrates what it critiques and it critiques what it celebrates all about Eve was nominated for Fourteen Academy Awards SM- winning six of those nominations it won for best picture it won best supporting actor for George Sanders as Addison Dewitt it won best just black and white costume design best director best screenplay and best sound recording it was also nominated twice for best actress for both and Baxter and Bette Davis it was nominated twice for best actress in a supporting role for both Celeste home and Thelma Ritter it it was also nominated for best art direction in Black and White Best Cinematography in black and white best film editing and best original score. Now it's time for our buzz from the back lot segment and today we'll see see how art and life imitate each other the original story the wisdom of Eve appeared in Cosmopolitan magazine in nineteen forty six and and was produced as a radio drama for N._B._C.. But every studio rejected it as a film project eventually. Fox bought the rights for thirty five hundred dollars with a no credit stipulation Joseph L. May quits combined the wisdom of Eve with the story. He had been developing about an actress who recalls her life. When receiving an award award with the release of all about Eve Twentieth Century Fox inaugurated a revolutionary scheduled performances screening policy which required theaters to show the film only at designated times and with no late seating the Harrison reports review explained that the purpose is to make patrons see the picture from the beginning so they may fully understand and enjoy the proceedings and thus give it a favorable word of mouth advertising it the studio also stipulated in its exhibition contracts that the film receive single billing. No other feature length film could be shown on the same program. This policy was tested the film's World Premiere Run at the New York Roxy Theatre but after a week scheduled performances the Roxie reverted to the established salish practice of running the film continuously and permitting Patriots to enter at any time according to an October eighteenth nineteen fifty news item in the Hollywood reporter confusion fusion arose because of the public deeply ingrained habit of going to a movie show at any desired our when most convenient or on an impulse a a Hollywood reporter item in the following day describe the failure of Twentieth Century Fox's screening experiment but also applauded the studio for trying to change the public's viewing habits habits thirty three years after all about Eve life imitated art when Anne Baxter stepped into Bette Davis's shoes to replace her on uh on the series hotel after Davis fell ill Bette Davis never returned to the show. Dave is also in fact fell in love with her co star Gary Merrill who plays. Place her boyfriend and then husband within the movie during the shoot of all about eve and the two married in July of Nineteen fifty a few weeks after filming was completed. They adopted a baby girl whom they named Margo Marilyn Monroe's role as the young miscast swell caused the most trouble for George Sanders he was newly married to Zaza Gore at the time and she was none too pleased to have her husband away on location with the breathy blonde bombshell all about eve currently shares the record for most Oscar nominations with fourteen. It's tied with both titanic and La La land the film also holds the record for the most female acting Oscar or nominations in a single film with four as I said earlier both all including and Baxter Bette Davis Celeste home and Thelma Ritter or all nominated in the act in various acting categories all about eve also marks the first time to actresses from the from one film were both nominated for best actress and Baxter had lobbied heavily to be nominated in the best actress category rather than supporting by doing so she may have cost both herself and Bette Davis the award bette. Davis admitted later on Joseph. L. May quits his casting her in this movie saved her career from oblivion after a series of unsuccessful movies she said in one thousand nine hundred three interview he resurrected me from the dead. Despite their characters tense Relationship Onscreen Bette Davis and Anne Baxter got along very well during filming the studio trying to play up behind the scenes drama to the press as part of the marketing of the film but in actuality Betty and an we're quite friendly which was rare since Bette. Davis reportedly didn't often like her female co stars. It's all about Eve is a quintessential story on the cycles of Hollywood and how the fame of a rising star Dr often feeds off that of star in decline of course all about eve that cycle is presented under the guise of cunning and malice our next film is a a star is born from one thousand nine hundred eighty four here we see the same cycle of the rise and fall of Hollywood stars now presented without any of the guile and ruthlessness but with far more tragic results. The tragic poetry of this film is compounded by how much it speaks to Judy Garland's own career be on the story of the fictional characters now the show must go on and so we go to episode thirty of Classic Movie Musts with a star is born born. Thank you for joining me this week. As we discuss the one thousand nine hundred fifty four musical drama a star is born in this episode will do a deep dive on the power of Judy. Garland's performance performance and persona in our feature presentation will hear about the tension between Warner Brothers and George Cukor that ultimately changed the final cut of the film in our buzz from backlot segment but first. Let's get into this. Week's opening credits our film. This week is a star is born. A star is born was directed by George Cukor and was released in nineteen fifty four for a star is born stars Judy Garland and James Mason for your streaming ease. A star is born is available for streaming rental on itunes Amazon Youtube and Google play esther budget played by Judy. Garland is a talented aspiring singer with a band and Norman main played by James. Mason is a former matinee idol with a career in the early stages of decline when he arrives intoxicated at a function at the shrine auditorium the the studio publicist Matt Libby attempts to keep him away from reporters after an angry exchange norman rushes away and bursts on stage where we're an orchestra is performing Baljit takes him by the hand and pretends he is part of her act thereby turning a potentially embarrassing and disruptive moment into into an opportunity for the audience to greet Norman with applause realizing that esther has saved him from public humiliation norman thanks her and and later watches her perform in an after hours club while recognizing her impressive singing talent he urges her to follow her dream and and convinces her she can break into the movies. Esther is surprised that someone of Norman's stature see something special in her and he offers her a screen test. Esther decides to quit the band and pursue acting studio head Oliver Niles believes esther is just a passing fancy for the actor but casts are in a small film role. The studio arbitrarily changes her name to Vicki Lester which she finds out when she tries to pick up her paycheck. When Norman finally gets Niles to hear Vicki Singh he is impressed and she is cast in an important musical film making her a huge success her relationship with Norman flourishes and they soon get married as Vicki's career continues to skyrocket Norman Studio contract? It's cancelled and and he finds himself emotionally going downhill fast with his alcoholism. Beginning to rage Norman arrives late and drunk in the middle of Vicki's Oscar Oscar acceptance speech he interrupts her speech rambling and begging for work from the assembled and embarrassed Hollywood community Vicky continues her meteoric New York Rise at the studio and tells Oliver that Norman has entered a sanitarium after supporting him for so long she worries about the effect of Norman's alcoholism Elizabeth on her while also acknowledging the he's trying very hard to overcome his addiction Niles is amenable to offering norman work adjuster for which Vicki is truly grateful thinking. This may be just the boost her husband needs wants out of the sanitarium. Norman runs into the studio publicist Matt Libby we who taunts him and accuses him of living Vicki's earnings the resulting fight prompts the actor to go on a drinking binge. He's eventually arrested arrested for being drunk and disorderly Vicki bails him out and brings him home where they are joined by Niles. Norman goes to bed but over here's Vicky telling Niles else she will give up her career to take care of him. He also here's Nile say that Norman ruined his own career with his drinking finally realizing what he's done to who himself Vicki his career and the people around him Norman leaves his bed tells Vicki cheerfully that he is going to go for a swim and walks into the the ocean drowning himself despondent Vicky becomes a recluse and refuses to see anyone finally her old bandmate Danny convinces her she needs to attend a charity function because she constitutes the only good work Norman ever did and which he died trying to save back at the shrine auditorium when Vickie arrives on stage the M._C. tells hurt the event is being broadcast worldwide and asked her to say a few words to her fans. She says hello everybody everybody. This is Mrs Norman Maine which prompts the crowd into a standing ovation. The budget for a star is born was five million dollars and it brought in six point one million at the box office adjusted for inflation. That's a budget of almost forty seven million dollars in box office hall of of just over fifty seven million now. I just want to look at you again. Because it's time for our feature presentation. A star is born is a film about the cyclical nature of Hollywood and stardom stardom. It's all the more appropriate that this story has been made and remade I as what price Hollywood in one thousand nine thirty two and then as a star is born in one thousand nine thirty seven nineteen fifty four nine hundred seventy six and now two thousand eighteen so what makes the nineteen fifty four version of a star Dr Born a classic movie must it's a film that embraces the two key themes of the story down to its very core both both cyclic structures and stardom and then exudes these qualities through every cinematic technique at George to Gore's disposal. Let's first examine the cyclical structure of the film which manifests as a poetic recall system and then we'll discuss stardom and how it pertains to Vicki Lester and Judy garland because there's no way around the fact that Garland is the heart and soul of the Phil. It's immediately apparent when watching a star is born that this film deals with the harsh reality of Hollywood. This film paints very clearly a picture whereby death breathes needs new life and so on one star fades another brightens and the dream factory that is Hollywood keeps on churning George Cukor masterfully weaves this cyclical structure throughout the film and it's what gives the film such a poetic cadence take the beginning and the end both <unk> at the shrine auditorium at first with Esther blodget on stage and norman main terrorizing backstage and then at the end with Mrs Norman Maine on stage and the memory of norman haunting her soon after the opening performance Norman Awakens in his bed possessed with the drive to find Esther similarly similarly he awakens from his drunken stupor at the end with a new clarity that he must end his own life in order to save hers his drunken interruption corruption of her opening number is frustratingly reprised during her Oscar acceptance speech esther confesses her desire to shampoo her hair her when confronted with a stressful situation and Norman reveals that he hits golf balls when he stressed no words are required when she finds his putter and golf balls balls in the living room later in the fill the recall of his early words by his present actions is far more powerful then of course there's beautiful romance in Norman saying I just wanted to look at you again to esther and then there's tragic heartbreak of him saying it again when he knows it'll be for the last time and then when when Esther decides to take Norman up on his offer to screen test she declares her purpose at sunrise the Sunsets as norman enters the ocean to drown himself self these cyclical structures are at their visual peak when esther goes to the Publicity Office to find herself bounced from person to Person Office Vista Office only to find herself right where she began and then locked in a turnstile the cycle cannot be broken equally affecting is the ironic insight of director George Cukor who in two decades at m._G._M.. Never directed a musical cue core like all directorial masters is being master of frames those frames present a visual counterpoint between the central subject and the world surrounding her Q. Core keeps keeps human personality at the center of his frame but builds historical psychological or economic commentary around it with revealing decor for his shots of single faces are usually two shots of visual conversations between the figure and the visual world his two shots of literal conversations conversations are metaphor three shots of two people within one world. The coming of the wide screen in the case of a star is born through Vista Vision and was a boon for q core providing even larger frames for visual counterpoint S- bellcore always preferred lengthy takes to sustain in a performance wide screen formats allowed him to sustain them even longer shooting whole scenes an entire musical numbers without a cut the lengths of the frame allow our observation of framed ironies about which the characters are themselves ignorant. A star is born in is as much about the wide screen as it is in the wide screen. It is also about the small screen though yet another commentary on the rise and fall of everything Hollywood television is both seen and heard in a star is born in careful juxtaposition to the wide screen of the film itself one example all is the key seen when studio head Oliver Niles Informs Norman that the studio will not renew his contract. The conversation takes place at night during a a party in Norman's house where guests assembled to watch Norman's latest and as it turns out last film directly behind the conversing figures is Norman's extensive gun collection this conversation with Oliver will be fatal for Norman although his suicide will not use one of these guns Q. Core is to to sulphur that they suggest both danger and fatality Vicki Lester will play the film's climactic scene when she decides to appear in public again after Norman's woman's death in front of these same guns ending the burial that began with this conversation between Oliver and Norman and the guns but there is more in this conversational image than the guns behind them at the far left of course wide frame is a flickering black and white television screen both tiny compared to the film's wide-screen and monochromatic compared to the film's color but that drab little frame has great power Oliver himself has left the a party to watch the fights on TV though he produces movies he can't escape T._v.. At the far right of course frame is another flickering black and white image Norman's movie projected for his guests. The conversation between Norman and Oliver takes place at the visual intersection of television and the movies movies. It's subject is their economic and historical intersection in one thousand nine hundred fifty four Hollywood where Norman will lose his job and ultimately his his life Q. Core carefully construction image of reading from left to right television guns and movies but does nothing so over with his camera as to tip his hand. The revealing objects are just there for the audience to read as they please other Q. Core images of literal and metaphor conversations stand out all over a star is born several scenes occur outdoors on the terrace of Norman's beach house backed by its. It's plate glass windows as character speak the windows speak behind them reflecting the role of the surf. There are a number of reasons for these pervasive reflections. The most obvious is that the rolling surf as motion to still pictures of conversations the SURF also turns out to be the extension and ally of Norman's gun collection for is in the sea that Norman will end his life but equally important the restless motion of Surf Reflects Alexa the restlessness of the characters in these scenes such consistent thematic motifs contribute to making a star is born the most dramatically powerful film. The musical of the decade cures framing also brings the musical numbers to life using the wide frames and long takes as performance spaces for Garland went to fill with her hypnotic vocal power the man that got away amongst the most memorable of all garland songs is shot in a single take unedited had an uninterrupted of garland surrounded by musicians strolling through their space filling it with her vocal trumpet in answer to their brass trumpets. It's judy is the star dominating the frame her sight and song only occasionally punctuated by an instrument that pokes into her space. The scene is dominated by the sharp contrast of light for Judy and darkness for the musicians inky blue black and crisp white make for a dynamic image. The scene conveys what Norman knows while watching her ester is already a star. She's merely in need of public recognition which brings us to a series of questions are stars born or made. What does birth mean for a star aren't stars born with the artificial packaging that gives them public life is the star of the film Esther blodget or Vicki Lester was Francis Gum a star when Arthur freed I auditioned her or did she only become a star when m._G._M.? Dubbed her Judy Garland and Really now that we're more deeply in the subject of stardom and Judy Garland. Let's examine the power Judy garland brings to the film both in terms of her performance and her persona persona a star is born a retrospective history of Judy garland a raw singer with a big heart and a big voice named esther budget who could just as easily have been named Francis Gum. Garland's real birth name Esther becomes a star film musicals named Vicky Lester or just as easily Judy Judy Garland Judy Garland's life was the basis for every performance she ever gave good and bad but it was Hollywood that provided her with her archetypal hypoc images Dorothy of course as well as the tramp character created for Easter parade and the Sheik Androgynous Vamp of her get happy routine to understand judy. Garland will must try to understand Hollywood after all the star is not only an actress the character she plays as are not only characters the characters of her films infect the star reciprocally. The Star herself infects these characters a star or is born uses as source material not only garland's m._G._M.. Career but also events transpiring off the screen in the years since that career career ended in about one thousand nine hundred fifty events surrounding Judy Garland's break with M._g._M.. Including a suicide attempt gave away the lie to Garland's wholesome childlike wildlife persona for the first time the real facts of her life became known to the audience in the Early Nineteen Fifties Judy Garland's m._G._M.. Image was demystified than mystified again through the Agency of her comeback performance at the Palace theatre in nineteen fifty one both these events the suicide suicide attempt and the comeback form the backdrop against which it's original audience perceived a star is born within the film broadly speaking judy garlands real life exposure to the public is represented by Norman Maine but her palace comeback is represented by Vicki Lester Stars Rise Stars Fall Judy Garland had already done both more than once the life of one-star praise parasitic on the decay of another the Vicki Lester can only devour Norman Maine but stardom itself can only devour Vicki Lester just as it did judy garland this sense. It's of decay in counterpoint to Garland's soaring performance rooted in personal pain is one reason a star is born is so heart wrenching conveying vein this point the strongest is Vicki's instantaneous switch from dressing room sorrow to on camera joy at the end of the lose that long face number which mirrors the shift garland made so often in her deepest periods of M._G._M.. Misery this opposition between the death of the musical and it's resurrection permeates the film at other levels as well for example the movement from Garland's first number. GotTa have me go with you to her second. The man that got away contrasts her old m._G._M.. Image with her new tragic image. The opening number serves the function of exposing Norman's Norman's deterioration but also provides continuity between Judy garland's last M._G._M.. Number get happy from summer stock in nineteen fifty and her first appearance on screen in a star is born the movement from the opening number two garlands second the more iconic number the man that got away parallels the movement Mitt from Garland's m._G._M.. Persona to exposure to the public singing becomes a means of expressing tragedy heartbreak and alienation alienation. The number incorporates Garland's new singing style with its histrionic excess and awkward gestures which would not have been tolerated at m._g._m. and G._M.. The motivation for the man that got away is almost entirely extra filming that is influenced by circumstances outside the movie itself itself. If one reads the film can textually the number appears out of place a tragic ballad of enormous intensity coming before anything thing has happened in the film if one reads the number however as an acknowledgement of Garland's m._G._M.. demystification its intensity seems far more understandable. The same pattern of alternation between past and present occurs in the to set pieces of a star is born both of which are parodies ladies as well as reminders of M._G._M.. Musicals in their heyday someone at last affectionately mocks m._G._M.. And the NAIEVETY associated with Garlands Orlands early career image then the born in a trunk musical sequence the long number within the film. We see Vicki Lester making perpetuates. It's Garland's peak career M._G._M.. Image yet undercuts the sentimentality by situating the number within a mock m._G._M.. Musical within the film itself born in a trunk also reprises Garland's own career with references to her roots in Vaudeville and to the Palace Theater Act ultimately the number doesn't Perte Garland's persona as much as it sentimentalize is her the lengthy born in a trunk number turns these paradoxes of stars ars being into the big number about stardom in a film about stardom a film within a film and impersonation within an impersonation and the big number of the Second Act which extends the performance power of the man that got away and answers the cinematic extravaganza of born in a trunk is somewhere. There's a someone the oddity of this number is that it could have been the big number of the film in the vein of born in a trunk. It's the kind of big number that musicals typically turn into lush ballet's but it is merely a solo for Garland or Vicky or esther in her living room while describing describing the number she is about to shoot at the studio Vicki Lester performs it for Norman at home and without cinematic adornment it does visualize the action but in a totally different way than is typical judy garland transforms a single domestic room into an exotic everywhere all over the globe by playing imaginatively tiddly with the ordinary objects in this confined space. The number raises two questions why wasn't somewhere. There's a someone the traditional big number number and why is it in the film. If it's not this type of big number the answers or garland movies and performance though movies can take you all over the world they can also transport you on the power of performing imagination. Judy Garland is a world in herself and her performance creates a somewhere as rich as any art directors somewhere. There's a someone enacts the ideal movie for the ideal audience in the ideal Neil Theater a total performance world a pure imagination for a single beloved audience. It's what makes this cynical film so filled with humanity the film's final shot or a heavenly choir accompanies the camera as it cranes further and further out from Mrs Norman Maine is perhaps the most mystifying defying shot of the musical genres most mystified star a star is born was nominated for six Academy Awards. Judy Garland was nominee for best actress. James Mason was nominated for best actor. The film was nominated for best art direction best costume design and best original song for the man that got away and the film was also now a for best scoring of a musical picture. Now it's time for our buzz from the back lot segment and this week we tension between studio and director the film almost a re edited several times premiering at one hundred and eighty one minutes the Studio Warner Brothers cut the film by thirty minutes. Despite the objections of Director Director George Cukor and producer Sidney luffed Judy Garland's husband at the time in one thousand nine hundred three all but five minutes of the cut footage was found and reinstated but some footage had to be constructed using production stills in October nineteen fifty four after the film had opened and been reviewed viewed Harry Warner head of the studio's business side in New York decided the picture was too long. He ordered another half hour of cuts so that exhibitors bidders could get in one more showing per day by this time. George Q court was in India Filming Bhawani Junction so he was unable to influence the re editing of the film. The cuts included an entire sequence in which Norman Esther lose touch with each other while Norman is on location a comic scene of her getting sick sick on the way to her first preview was also deleted along with to complete numbers. Here's what I'm here for. The Song Esther is recording when Norman proposes to her and lose that long face the number she does before and after she breaks down in her dressing room the cuts represented most of the scenes that developed Norman and Esther's gers relationship to make matters worse the studio melted the negative from the cut scenes to retrieve the film's silver content word of the cuts. Let's hit the film press and generated such a strong backlash against the film that attendance dropped precipitously as a result despite the film's promising opening it ended up as a financial disappointment George cukor offered Marlon Brando the role of Norman main on the set of Julius Caesar in Nineteen fifty-three. Why why would you come to me ask Brando? I'm in the prime of my life. If you're looking around for some actor to play now alcoholic has been he's sitting right over there and he pointed at his Co Star James Mason who of course got the part Groucho Marx called Judy Garland not winning an Oscar for a star is born the biggest robbery since brink's banks had a hopper later reported that her loss to Grace Kelly for the country girl was the result of the closest Oscar vote up until that time that didn't end in a tie with just six votes separating the two in any event it was a heartbreak from which she never really recovered and which has remained a matter of some controversy ever since however Judy Garland did not attend the Nineteen Fifty Five Academy Awards because she was in the hospital after giving birth to her third child and only son Joey left fitting capstone to a retrospective on Hollywood tragedies veggies next we have sunset boulevard in our first two films we see the cyclical nature of Hollywood and stardom well in Sunset Boulevard and Norma Norma Desmond. We have a star who is waiting for the cycle to comeback around ignoring the ruthless reality that at some point the ride is over and and most unfortunately for William Holden's Joe Gillis. There's the truth that for some people you never get on the ride to begin with of course delusion is powerful all can have tragic results throughout today's retrospective. We've had two films that make very cynical statements on the human factory of Hollywood and the elusive assistive Pandora's box is stardom well perhaps most cynical of all and last on today's episode we have Sunset Boulevard. Thank you for joining me this week. As we discuss the infamous <music> Sunset Boulevard in this episode will discuss billy wilder scathing criticism of Hollywood in our feature presentation will hear about famous lines of dialogue in our buzz on the back lot segment but first. Let's get into this week's opening credits. They are filmed this week is sunset boulevard which was directed by Billy Wilder and was released in Nineteen Fifty Sunset Boulevard Stars Gloria Swanson William Holden and Eric Von Stroheim for your streaming ease sunset boulevard is available on I tunes Amazon Youtube and Google play at a mansion on Sunset Boulevard. The body of Joe Gillis play by William Holden floats in the swimming the pool in a flashback joe relates the events leading to his death six months earlier down on his luck screenwriter Joe Tries Selling ailing paramount pictures producer sheldrick on a story he submitted script reader Betty Schaefer harshly critiques it unaware that Joe is listening later while fleeing from repossession men seeking his car Joe Turns into the driveway of a seemingly deserted mansion after concealing the car he hears as a woman inside call to him mistaking him from someone else ushered in by Max. The Butler played by Eric von Stroheim Joe recognizes the woman as Long Long Forgotten Silent Film Star Norma Desmond played by Gloria Swanson. Learning Joe is a writer nor my ass his opinion of script she has written for for a film about Sullom she plans to play the role herself. Joe Finds her script abysmal but flatters her into hiring him as a script doctor moved into Norma's mansion at her insistence Joe resents but gradually accepts his dependent situation he sees that Norma refuses to face the fact that her fame has evaporated and learns that the fan letters she still receives are secretly written by her Butler Max who explains that Norma is emotionally fragile agile and has attempted suicide in the past norma lavishes attention on Joe and buys him expensive clothes at her New Year's Eve party. He discovers discovers that he is the only guest and realizes that she has fallen in love with him. Joe Tries to let her down gently but norma slaps him and retreats to her room. Joe visits his friend Artie Green to ask about staying at his place at Arby's party he again meets Betty whom he learns is already girlfriend. Betty thinks a scene in one of Joe Scripts has potential but joe is uninterested when he phones Max have impact his things Max tells him that norma cut her wrists with a razor and Joe Returns to Norma Norma Has Max delivered the edited Salaam script to her former director Cecil B Demille at paramount amount she starts getting calls from a paramount executive but petulantly refuses to speak to anyone except demille eventually she has max Wrist making coming out of an industry and a country obsessed with Youth and Glamour Sunset Boulevard was the first Hollywood film to make the the aging process. It's primary concern focusing specifically on the relationship which develops between a Fading Silent Movie Queen and they much younger down on his luck screenwriter using the noir style to emphasize the CO dependent impotency of this couple wilders film remained significant vacant in portraying the new mood of disillusionment that was emerging in a postwar society. No longer convinced that achieving the American dream was really possible with a keen understanding of how women in Hollywood have typically lacked the option of a full career since their contribution to film is determined more by their youthful appearance than they're acting aptitude wilder and brackets story remains to this day one of the best commentaries about Hollywood as a factory dery where talent is consumed in a binge and purge manner exploiting the best and brightest stars while leaving the has Benz to fade away without the respect. They deserve like her decrepit mansion on Sunset Boulevard. Norma Desmond is an anachronism with her old fashioned acting techniques of exaggerated facial expressions and bodily gestures. She has become not a glamorous older star but in unsightly leftover of a previous era much of the Poetic Power of Sunset Boulevard lies in the juxtaposition of reality and fantasy in sunset boulevard the separation lies between Joe's World Herald which is essentially the real world and Norma's a fantasy dream scape of her silent era stardom extending into the present day Hollywood which has all all but forgotten her outside Norma's mansion the film exhibits a blend of realist styles particularly Hollywood social realism and a bit of documentary documentary realism in addition to the documentary aspects we see such realist qualities as the gritty common man element of focusing on a down down and out unemployed writer. There's also the cynical attitude that Joe and resultantly the film itself takes towards the Hollywood institution as well as now's the tough hard boiled dialogue which characterizes Joe's voiceovers but most indicative of the film's realist style is the relative lack a formal traits or at least noticeable formal traits the world outside the mansion is grim matter of fact and essentially plane aesthetics that ex such as lighting set and costume design composition editing and sound or all used in a natural transparent manner yet from the moment that Joe Pulls into Norma's driveway a more formalist world is introduced one which centers not only on the mansion but on Norma herself itself early on Joe Makes the Astute Observation that Norma was still sleepwalking among the giddy heights of a lost career indeed need sleep walking seems an apt metaphor for normal interaction with the world as she seems to keep one foot in reality and one foot in a dream of Hollywood Hollywood yesteryear a time when she was adored by millions and demanded great awe and respect in the movie business this delusional slant on the world world manifest itself aesthetically in a subjective formalized version of reality most immediately evident in the Gothic stylings of her mansion and and the expressionistic depiction of this setting the set design is unavoidable tall looming columns intricate detail on every wall all every curtain in every piece of furniture not to mention vast spacious rooms overflowing with mementos excessive ornamentation and all of Norma's reminders of her lost fame particularly her many youthful headshots norma's costuming is equally heavy handed with elaborate costumes by edith head accentuated by an abundance of jewelry sunglasses and headwear but most notable is the heavily expressionistic lighting angular shadows drape every room and deep wells of light and darkness fragment each shot creating an exaggerated almost hallucinatory distortion of the world as well as the UNCANNY ambiance that intensifies the film's foreshadowing of doom in visual design alone we can see Billy Wilder Painting Norma's world in a deliberately formalist manner. The sound design is equally important note note the deep eerie tones that emanate from the organ as wind howls through its pipes tones which are perfectly incorporated into the soundtrack creating a a hunting a tonality with the film score. The compositions enormous world are strikingly different from those outside as well with plenty of deep angle shots split frames and arresting compositions in depth as opposed to the more traditional framing. 's which occur in other scenes not surprisingly subjectivity interior authority and personal reality or common traits of expressionism and Sunset Boulevard has all of these in in spades however there's another drastically formalist aesthetic crucially at work here Gloria Swanson's performance not only has enormous career in silent pictures skewed her review of reality but the pantomime style of silent performance seems to have seeped into her own own personality. Every action and gesture is marked by dramatic exaggerated motions every utterance by drawn out enunciation and her wide eyed stares and deliberate over the top expressions are made all the more flamboyant by her to perfect makeup norma seems to be playing to the audience with every line and movement whether her fictional audience or us as the literal audience is unclear and Gloria Swanson demands demands attention to the extent that she'd seems to drive the story even in her absence this overt acting and the Gothic expressionistic visual scheme scheme allows the character of Norma Desmond and her mansion setting to complement each other as the two seem inter reliant after all in the end Norma chooses full delusion over reality and truth. We should note that the formalism centered on Norma does not exist only in the mansion but seems aims to follow her outside as well. This is especially noticeable on the paramount sound stage where norma subjectivity creeps into the real world as a celestial celestial spotlight is turned on norma and the score takes a whimsical turn the cast and crew of de Mille's current epic are suddenly consumed by enormous fantasy to see all amassing around the former star in a temporary return to her heyday and all framed in a steep bird's eye view for a moment even we audience are pulled into the subjective mindset yet de Mille quickly breaks the facade by dispersing the crowd and with one of his most cruel of lines return that light to where it belongs wilder simultaneously returns the light the camera and the soundtrack to their rightful realists positions here the formalist subjectivity that characterizes Norma's world interrupts the realist mode at work outside even if only briefly reversing the typical may and December relationship of a younger woman and an older man Norma's mutually exploitative relationship ship with the young screenwriter turned Gigolo Joe Gillis works effectively as a metaphor for the crisis of traditional gender roles happening in postwar post war America but perhaps more importantly it also symbolizes the vampirism inherent in the film business which attempts to defy the aging process process by feeding off the talent of its younger employees who in turn exploited their older colleagues in order to get a lucky break at the time time of its release sunset boulevard was considered by many to be wilders inappropriate settling of accounts with the film industry for example after the premiere of the film in Los Angeles M._G._M.. Studio head Louis B Mayer cursed paramount pictures for allowing wilder to make such a film also shouting that wilder had a disgraced Hollywood and should never be allowed to work again in spite of such criticism however the formal and thematic sophistication of Sunset Boulevard has never been challenged especially in being one of the first films to self reflexively portray the various stages of the filmmaking process bringing to light both the Glamour of cinema and it's less appealing underbelly not only do we see the pre production stage develop via Joe's various attempts at screenwriting screenwriting. We see the nebulous mind games that come with selling script to the studio and we are also exposed to the actual production of the film when Norma Visits Cecil B Demille at paramount studios in turn the act of spectatorship can be seen when Max the Butler projects one of Norma's old films for the viewing pleasure of Norma and Joe Wilders Black Humor is perhaps most evident in the inclusion of excerpts from Queen Kelly which proved to be a disaster Mr for von Stroheim earlier in his career when he was fired as its director by Swanson the film's producer and star finally we witnessed the star system stood at work when reporters photographers and gossip columnists descend upon enormous house to catch a glimpse of her last scene and the dead body which floats in her a Pool Sunset Boulevard also demonstrates the incredible transformative effect the introduction of sound had on the film industry while conversion version to the new sound system almost bankrupt studios it also cost many actors their jobs for the arrival of sound required not only new technology and equipment but new actors who perform talkies making a subtle but effective comment on the ruthless expulsion of silent screen talent sunset onset boulevard is populated with celebrities from the old days of silent cinema most notably the film's main star Gloria Swanson was one of Hollywood's most glamorous silent silent movie queens and Eric von Stroheim who plays her Butler Max was a notorious silent film director other Hollywood celebrities who make an appearance in sunset boulevard include Cecil B Demille of course who directed Swanson in several of her earlier films and became one of Hollywood's first celebrity directors. We also see Hedda hopper the Hollywood gossip columnist and even other early film stars like Buster Keaton H B Warner and Anna q Nilsson who's blazing blazing days of glory on the silent screen had faded to a dim glow during the rise of sound cinema. Although some critics have debated the sincerity of a film which passed judgement on Hollywood's treatment of old stars while it to exploited their position as victims one shouldn't forget how sunset boulevard affected the lives lives of the actors who appeared in it for despite swans earlier success as a silent film actress she is best remembered for her own comeback performance as norma a role which in foreground in the effects of age ironically rejuvinated Swanson's career on screen indeed her performance earned her her a nomination for best actress that year and von Stroheim an aging actor as well as has been director was nominated for his chilling yet sympathetic performance as as Max Similarly William Holden who had spent several years as a contract player at both Columbia and paramount studios suddenly rose to star stature with his best actor nomination for his portrayal as Joe Gillis with Time Sunset Boulevard has become a classic in Hollywood cinema a monument to a unique unique cultural medium that crosses the boundaries of art and entertainment technology and Business Sunset Boulevard received eleven Oscar nominations winning three it won the awards for Best Music Best Art Direction in black and white category and best writing for the story and and screenplay it was also nominated for best film Editing Best Cinematography best supporting actress for Nancy Olson best supporting actor actor for Eric Von Stroheim Best Actress Gloria Swanson Best Actor for William Holden best director for Billy Wilder and best motion picture. Now it's time for our buzz from the back lot segment and this week. We've got a star who very very much embodied the character she portrayed with some key differences unlike Norma Desmond Gloria Swanson had accepted the fact that movies movies didn't want her anymore so she had moved to New York where she worked on radio and later on television although she had long before ruled out the possibility of a movie comeback comeback she was nevertheless highly intrigued when she got the offer to play the lead the photos of the Young Norma Desmond that decorate her mansion are in fact all genuine in publicity photos from Gloria Swanson's heyday and according to Gloria Swanson's daughter Michelle Ayman her mother stayed in character throughout the entire shoot even speaking like Norma Desmond when she arrived home in the evening after filming on the last day of shooting Swanson drove back to the House that she her mother and her daughter shared during production announcing there were only three of us in it now meaning that Norma Desmond had taken her leave paramount was more than happy to be the subject the film and didn't ask for the studio to be disguised in fact such was the buzz about the film during production that the viewing of the daily rushes became one of the hottest hottest tickets on the lot Cecil B Demille agreed to do his cameo for a ten thousand dollar fee and a brand new cadillac when billy wilder went back to him later later to secure a close up the mill charged him another ten thousand dollars Cecil B Demille had a real pet name for Gloria Swanson which he would call her young fellow pillow because he said she was braver than any man Charles Bracket and billy wilder retain the term of endearment for the scene in which demille greets norma desmond at the sound stage stage and the Desmond Mansion was located not on sunset boulevard but at six forty one south irving boulevard it was built in nineteen twenty four by William Jenkins comes at a cost of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Its second owner was Jean Paul Getty who purchased it for his second wife. Mrs Gatty divorced her millionaire husband and received custody of the House. It was she who rented it to paramount for the filming. The only edition was the swimming pool which wasn't equipped with the means of circulating water so it was useless. After filming to everyone's surprise Judy Holliday won the best actress Oscar in nineteen fifty one for born yesterday yesterday beating both Gloria Swanson in this film and Bette Davis in all about eve the general consensus was that the two titans had cancelled each other out out leaving the field clear for holiday in later interviews Bette. Davis admitted that she thought Gloria Swanson's work in the film was absolutely outstanding Bette. Davis did alright for herself in her performance as well. If you want to hear more about that checkout episode ten of classic movie must on all about Eve lastly the movies line all right Mr Demille I'm ready for my closeup was voted as the number seven movie quote of all time by the A._F._i.. It is also one of the most frequently silently misquoted movie lives usually give it as I'm ready for my closeup Mr Demille the other line. I am big. It's the pictures that got small was voted voted number twenty four on the one hundred greatest movie quotes of all time that concludes our Hollywood tragedies retrospective. I would love to hear what you think of these three all-time great films feel free to Tweet <music> at movie must pod or email classic movie must at gmail.com can listen to all our episodes and learn more about the show on our website classic movie must dot Com you can support the show received cool parks on Patriot on like becoming a producer of the show. 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Leading Ladies: Gloria Swanson

Encyclopedia Womannica

09:00 min | 1 year ago

Leading Ladies: Gloria Swanson

"This episode of Encyclopaedia. Manica is sponsored by function of beauty. Function of beauty is haircare that's formulated specifically for you. No matter hair type. They create shampoo conditioner in treatments to fit your unique needs. You start by taking a quick quiz to tell them about your hair, and then they determine the right blend of ingredients and bottle your custom formula to order. I've been using mind for the past few months. I have to say it's been awesome. Go to function of beauty. Dot Com Slash Jenny to take your phone apart hair profile quiz and save twenty percent on your first order function of beauty dot com slash. Jenny check it out. Hello, from Wonder Media Network, I'm Jenny Kaplan, and this is encyclopedia will manteca today's leading lady was an actress producer and businesswoman. She was known as the Queen of the silent screen. Let's talk about Gloria Swanson. Laurie was born in Eighteen, ninety, nine in Chicago, her mother Adelaide was her primary caretaker and her father Joseph was a US army officer stationed overseas. As a result. Gloria frequently moved throughout her childhood living in places such as Florida, Texas, and Puerto Rico. When Gloria was fifteen years old her aunt time on a tour of SNA studios in Chicago. Some reports maintain that a tour guide was intrigued by Gloria and discovered her then in their. Others, suggests that she talked her way into the business either way, it was an estimate studios that Gloria got her start. She was hired as an extra at Sixteen Gloria dropped out of school and appeared in sweetie goes to college alongside Wallace Berry. Gloria Wallace married shortly. Thereafter, Loria leader wrote, but the marriage was fraught with abuse and they finalized their divorce in nineteen eighteen. Loria would marry five more times throughout her life and had three children. And Nineteen Sixteen Gloria and her mother moved to Hollywood where Gloria appeared in keystone studios comedy shorts, opposite, Bobby. Vernon. Gloria long to appear in more serious films, she moved to triangle studios there, she was still disappointed by the role she was given fortunately, Gloria wasn't bound to contract and she soon began working for filmmaker. So be mill. Glorious starred in souls, Melodramas, and played sensual glamorous characters. See. So's films turned Gloria into an icon making her highly sought after in the industry. See sel said the public, not. I May Gloria Swanson, a star. In nineteen eighteen see Soto Gloria to sign a contract with famous players lasky at lasky glorious starred in a number of successful pictures including the nineteen nineteen film male and female in which she famously bathes in elementary setting. See, still continued to assign Gloria roles that depicted extravagance, and she later said that her expensive taste was influenced by him. Gloria lived lavishly by the mid twenties. She was the highest paid actress in. Hollywood. She owned mansions, expensive land was a savvy real estate investor. Still she ran through her money. Her lingerie bill was reported to be ten thousand dollars a year. Gloria later reflected on her lifestyle and said, we lived like kings and Queens and why not? In love with life. Gloria, grew frustrated at famous players Lasky. She was more famous for her costumes than her acting in one, thousand, nine, hundred and five. She fought to get Lasky to greenlight madame. Sanjin A. french-american co-production Gloria was deeply involved in the production. She petitioned the French government for access to historic sites and help choose the director and cast. Gloria met her third husband onset honoree, the Marquis de la La dre. Gloria discovered that she was pregnant with Ariz baby while divorcing her second husband, her contract at famous players. Last year had a morality clause. If broken, she might be blacklisted from. Hollywood. So Gloria decided to have an abortion in Paris and she almost died from complications. When famous players lasky tried to renegotiate her contract? They eventually offered what's now equivalent to fourteen point, seven million dollars per year quarrier fuse to enter into another morality clause, and instead signed with United Artists which gave her complete creative freedom. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven, Gloria established her own production company. She tricked the Hays Office to get permission to make the highly controversial film Sadie Thompson. It was a hit. But shortly after Sadie thompsons release, the company fell into financial straights that year Gloria had met Joseph Kennedy the father of US President John F. Kennedy, and they began an affair while Gloria was still married to her third husband. Choose convinced. Gloria, to let him take the reins of Gloria Swanson productions so that she could focus on script selection. His Direction and mismanagement cost Gloria her company. In Nineteen Thirty Gloria Swanson production made its last film what a widow glorious first production with sound Gloria struggled to transition from silent films to talkies. The sound films she appeared in unsuccessful and by nineteen thirty, four press regarded her as a has been with her film career. Struggling Loria made a serious pivot. She founded a patent startup called multi prizes. In one, thousand, nine, thirty, eight, Gloria helped four Jewish Austrian scientists flee the Nazis with the help of her husband. Loria paid for their resettlement and supported them until nineteen forty-three in exchange for them working at multi prizes. Still Gloria. Wasn't finished acting. In. The Nineteen Forties Gloria return to film, and Nineteen fifty. She started her most successful movie sunset Boulevard in which she played Norma Desmond, a deluded former star trying to make a comeback. This is my life. It always will be. Nothing else. Just. Camera? And those wonderful people parents. Right Mr Demille, I'm ready for my. Gloria won a Golden Globe and was nominated for an Oscar for her portrayal. Gloria then pivoted to Broadway and TV. Later, on in life, Gloria became a health food advocate and a yoga practitioner. While attempting Hollywood events, she even brought her own meals in a paper bag. Gloria was also politically active in nineteen, eighty she campaign for Ronald Reagan. In one eighty-three, Gloria died from a heart ailment. She was eighty four years old. Gloria, Swanson had a lasting legacy in the film industry. She. Was honored with two stars on the Hollywood walk of fame. On reflecting on her career. Glorious said, if I had to live my life again, I wouldn't. Life is a privilege. Mistakes should be dropped in the wastebasket. Tune in tomorrow for the story of another leading lady. For more on why we're doing what we're doing check out our encyclopedia. News Weather Manica Weekly. You can also follow us on facebook and Instagram at Encyclopedia Manica and you can follow me directly on twitter at Jenny Kaplan. Special. Thanks to lose Kaplan my favorite sister in co-creator talk to you. Tomorrow. High, it's Jenny I'm so excited to tell you about a new wfan show. One hundred years ago? The nineteenth amendment protecting women's constitutional right to vote was ratified. But American women's battle for the ballot began long before then and continues this day on. She votes a new podcast from wonder. Media Network award-winning Journalists Lynn share an Ellen Goodman, unravel the complex history of the women's suffrage movement. From the unintended limits of the nineteenth amendment to the return of voter suppression. 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222 | CPTs, taxonomas y pginas de archivo: Qu lo!

WordPress Semanal

17:55 min | 1 year ago

222 | CPTs, taxonomas y pginas de archivo: Qu lo!

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How Trump Loses the G.O.P.

The Argument

35:47 min | 2 years ago

How Trump Loses the G.O.P.

"I'm Michelle Goldberg. I'm David Lee and heart, and I'm Rostow fit. And this is the argument this week more Russia revelations and the unending federal shutdown is Trump finally endanger of having his party decisively. Turn on him actually think they could get rid of him relatively quickly. Then the third women's March is this weekend. We talk about the infighting that splintering the movement and ask whether the left has an anti semitism problem. Do you both agree that the women's March is never going to recover from this? And then of course, a recommendation there's like a slight undercurrent of dominatrix, which it sounds like is what you want out of your Mary Poppins character. So it was another chaotic week for President Trump have not been good for the US president this weekend. The president took the notes from his interpreter. And instructed them not to discuss what happened. There was a counter intelligence investigation into whether the president of the United States was a threat to the United States. So is Trump finally at risk of losing Republican support. I know many listeners will be skeptical, and frankly, so am I but David thinks it could happen. So David can you persuade us that Republican support for Trump is less solid than it seems I will try to do. So I really do think that he's vulnerable which I'm not saying he's definitely going to lose that support. But I think people are really underestimating the odds that it will happen. And here's why they're looking at his approval rating, which has remained pretty solid right around forty percent. Which means he has the support of what ninety percent of Republicans and. They're saying just because it's always been that way. It's going to always remain that way. And I think that's wrong. I think he's deeply vulnerable. I think even at this approval rating Republicans got crushed in the mid terms. And I think essentially as twenty twenty gets closer Republicans are gonna realize just what a weight around their necks Trump is. And so I think if any further thing goes wrong for him, whether it's this shutdown spiraling out of control, whether it's a recession. Whether it's the Muller report, I really think he is quite vulnerable of losing Republican support. And the idea that he won't because he hasn't yet is misreading of how politics works. Can. I say something about the stability of his approval rating because it's actually maybe a little bit less stable than we thought it's been really interesting to see a creep down to around thirty seven percent in the last couple of polls and his disapproval rating is at record highs. And I think mices. Edition is that this is because this is the first time that large number of Americans are feeling material consequences from having this like incompetent madman in the office. You know, so far there's been a tax on sort of higher level concerns. Right. If you're talking about like maslow's pyramid of human needs. Now, suddenly, they're people feeling, you know, missing their flights worrying about their next paycheck food stamps, pay for ten percent of all of groceries in America. Right. So if there's a gap in food stamps going out that's going to have shockwaves on a big part of the economy. And I think Republicans are may be willing to see treason to own the libs. I don't know if they're willing to see kind of a real hit to their own economic well-being to own the lips. So I mean, I think there's nothing that could get Donald Trump impeached faster than if America's airports suddenly shut down. Right. I mean, so I I do think in a sense that. You know, if you extend the shutdown out across four to six months or something then. Yeah, I think I think absolutely Republicans would start turning on Trump, but my difficulty here is my usual difficulty, which is that a lot of the things that get cited as things that should add up to Republicans turning on Trump are things that have been baked into his support for a long time and David you wrote a a viral and popular column making version of this argument week and a half ago that according to some reports was read by the president himself and threw him into into into a rage spiral. And that him basically laid out a long list of things that you could reasonably put together to make a case for impeaching Trump. But a lot of those things were things that were I think totally predictable based on his conduct during the campaign. You know, using Twitter to harass people investigating him using Twitter to attack a free press. Having the the constant appearance of corruption with everything connected to his business dealings, and to me that kind of stuff is just that's that's sort of assumed by the thirty five to forty four percent of America that is willing to stick with him. And so you still need something bigger not just an accumulation of things, but an actual decisive tipping point. And I'm open to the possibility that it's coming. But I guess my question for you, David is do you think you can get to Republicans turning on him through a steady accumulation of the kind of things you talk about in your column, or do you agree with me that there has to be something bigger and more decisive? I half agree with you. So I don't think it's just going to be more columnists laying out more reasons, why Trump is unfit to be president. Although estimates you're powers, David. Yes. If only, but I do think that he is so vulnerable right now that a lot of us. Are overestimating what that tipping point could be. I don't think it needs to be something. Enormous. Right. I think the shutdown has the potential to be certainly an economic downturn us. I think the Mahler report does. And so I I guess let's look at what happened this week with Steve king, right? Steve king is this white nationalist pretty proudly racist. Republican congressman from Iowa who for years has been saying outrageous things has been allied with Neo Nazi friendly politicians in Europe. And it didn't cost him at all. He wasn't sanctioned by the party. And then he said something else offensive this week. And suddenly the Republican party has started turn on him. And I think that's a reminder that when you have someone who has real political vulnerabilities real problems, the situation can switch very quickly from seeming like all of their problems don't matter to own my goodness there in real. Double and I am not guaranteeing. That's going to happen with Trump. I just think it's entirely plausible. And I think we shouldn't assume that just because it hasn't happened yet. It won't happen. Michelle. I'm curious about your take on the on the Steve king business for listeners who aren't following it closely. He's basically been stripped of all his committee slots, and basically the institutional Republican party is clearly going to support a challenger against him. What what do you make of that? Steve king was the exact same person that he is now less than two months ago. When the bulk of the Republican party supported his re-election effort, if Republicans get the message that there is some danger in playing footsie with white nationalism never mind openly, embracing it that seems like Republicans at least some Republicans are represent our understanding that there is a cost to Trumpism if not to Trump himself, and so you know, I mean on the one. Hand it's like a little bit too little too late. But it's still a very very good thing. And at the same time, I tend to think that the tipping point comes when people feel in their lives that it is unsustainable to have this incompetent demagogue in the White House. And I'm sort of surprised that it has taken this long for all these sort of like real tangible consequences of not having functioning executive branch to be manifest in people's lives. Right. Like, if you live in Puerto Rico, you felt what it means to have this person in the White House. But a lot of us have been really insulated from those consequences. Okay. No. I guess I agree with that in a sense that I was surprised as well by the capacity of the executive branch to function semi normally in the first two years of the Trump presidency. And it's since it's also true that you know, at this point. Many of the people who enabled that functioning to happen have departed. I think that strengthens David's argument that you could you could get to a tipping point. But the tipping point has to be big. Well, let me ask you this Ross. Let's imagine we don't get the big tipping point. Let's instead imagine that his approval ratings drift down as Michelle pointed out they've fallen a point or two in the last few weeks. So let's imagine that continues and we get into mid twenty nineteen and Donald Trump's got an approval rating in the thirties. And then you have all these Republican senators who are looking at twenty twenty reelection Colorado Iowa on and on and on and they're thinking, oh my goodness. At this rate. We're gonna lose our Senate seats because Donald Trump, what do you think happens? Then I mean, I think you get more Republicans trying to sort of step up their public criticism of the president. But I still think the numbers that you're talking about then we'll be five or ten. When Republican senators none of whom are willing to actually join in an impeachment and removal effort, but do either of you share my vague sense that something has shifted in terms of Trump's like aura of invincibility or aura of impermeability. I mean, just personally he's gone from seeing extremely menacing to seeming kind of pathetic right in my column today at called him, the authoritarian version of Norma Desmond or the Norma Desmond of authoritarians. And that he's the sort of a good line. Delusional figure stocking alone around the White House with these pathetic obsequious retainers who are propping up his fantasies, but he just scenes less powerful than he did even if you months ago, and I wonder if that senses shared on the other side, I mean, it's really interesting to look at the drudge report every day and see how drudge is really highlighting the effects of the shutdown, right? I mean, it seems like there's a sense among at least some conservatives. But this is a really perilous situation for them. I mean, I felt that way about Trump obviously, a little bit longer than you have Michelle I, but that he his essential quality is his is his weakness rather than his sort of authoritarian threat. But I do think we're in this new terrain where the people around him who even anti-trump conservatives tended to trust like General Mattis are gone. And I think you could see some of the drudge stuff as drudge maybe frantically signalling to Trump himself. Like, hey, what you know? What are you doing man, you got you got to end the shutdown? Okay. Okay. And he and he does have to have to end the shutdown. I agree that something has changed. I mean, I think look before the midterms there is this sense that he had some kind of magical powers to defy polls. And nothing matters LL and all that stuff. The idea that no matter what was going on. He was gonna win elections because. He did it once, but I think the midterm show. That's not true. And that's why I am not guaranteeing or even predicting that he's going to be impeached and removed from office. But this idea that the status quo is destined to remain. So that he's going to have the support of ninety percent of Republicans. I think is misplaced. I think he has no plan to get out of the shutdown. He may still figure out a way to do it. But I think he's in real jeopardy. And as that sense of his power has changed. I hope his many opponents, including Republicans who are alarmed by him, don't despair and understand that this is a moment essentially to keep up the criticism of him and really try to win over some of his supporters and to see that disguise a huge problem for the Republican party in the long term. You know, I still kind of nurture fantasies that one way that Trump could be removed from office is the way that other. Other autocrats have been removed from office where you would just see millions of people in the streets until he leaves. You know, we've talked about impeachment. We've talked about resignation. I think the American people if you had you know, three percent of the American population. So say like three times the number that came up for the women's March just really taking to the streets and refusing to leave until Donald Trump left. I actually think they could get rid of him relatively quickly at least the evidence of history and other countries suggests that they could I think listeners probably by now. No, I'm given to optimism. But I do have this lingering fear that if things get worse for Trump. You could start seeing him taking actions that are more damaging to the country and his incompetence doing more damage, whether it's pulling out of NATO, whether it's, you know, the breakdown of the transportation system, and I do worry about that in twenty nineteen in a way that I sort of have never worried about an. In my adult lifetime. I would say that I worried about precisely that a lot in the first two months of the administration, and I've worried less about it since. And now, I'm worrying a little more about it again. Although my take is that in terms of the politics of ending the Trump presidency, the shutdown of the American transportation system by Trump himself would lead to his removal and mass protests of the kind Michelle is describing would not for reasons I think that partially just have to do with how big sprawling decentralized polarize, the United States is. And then there's also the fact which we're going to talk about in the next segment that even the incredibly successful women's March has run into all kinds of problems lately. So we'll take a quick break. And we'll be right back. And. Hi, this is Deb Allen crossword columnist for the New York Times, here's a clue for you. What's the perfect comforting twenty-first-century habit? The New York Times crossword try today and enjoy a month free. Visit NY times dot com slash solve we're back. This year's women's March is taking place nationwide this weekend. The first March was held on the heels of Trump's inauguration, and it was a huge phenomenon with hundreds of thousands of people marching in DC and similar marches springing up all over the country at the time. It seemed to embody the surging opposition to the Trump presidency and the apparent unity of the resistance to his administration. Four of the marches leaders and organizers to make a Mallory Bob bland Carmen Perez, and Linda Sarsour were named time's one hundred most influential people, but in the early days of the organization and consistently since there's been a second narrative that some of the organizers of the March have an anti semitism problem. So we're going to talk a bit about this how it's fracturing one of the most important mass movements of the Trump era. And what it says about the antisemitism that may or may not lurk on the contemporary left. So Michelle, can you explain to us what's going on here? The night. Donald Trump was elected was this devastating shattering night. For a lot of people. And there was a woman in Hawaii proposing that women's March in Washington the day after the inauguration, and it quickly went viral, and all the sudden, you have all of these people planning this March, and it really happened in the sort of organic leaderless way people, you know, stepped forward to lead it. And then it became clear to them that it was going to be a disaster. If this was led just by a group of of white women, and so it needed to have more multicultural more multiracial leadership. And I think the the first problem with how those leaders were chosen. So basically there was a group of women including to make a Mallory and lenders are sore, and they had backgrounds in different parts of civil rights organizing. But so they came in they can have quickly assumed leadership roles, and I want to say that they'd actually did an amazing job. Right. This was a Heroux ick effort to organize this massive March on incredibly short notice and to navigate between a lot of different, visions and politics, and do it with a lot of people who were just meeting, but to make a Mallory is one of these four women and one of the reasons that were in this. Terrible situation is because she has really consistently refused to disavow Louis Farrakhan. And in a winning I feel a degree of sympathy. Because you know, I think that it hurts to be asked to disavow her. And disavow some of these some of the leaders, even though, you know, by now, there's no question that their leadership has been a catastrophe for for those listeners for whom Louis Farrakhan is not a household name. This is kind of an interesting recurrence of a similar debate. On the left back how many years ago now twenty years ago when Farrakhan leader of the nation of Islam helped organize the million man March, which is this famous, you know, sort of March of black specifically black male empowerment in Washington DC that garnered tons of positive coverage, but at the same time Farrakhan, then as Farrakhan now was associated with fairly poisonous anti semitism. That goes goes. Beyond blaming Jews for the slave trade into using language of termites, right and things things. Like that. I mean, there's there's really no dispute that Farrakhan, this sort of now aging figure from the nation of Islam has an anti semitism problem. So the the other the other thing that's going on. Right. So I it seems to me there's sort of two strands here. One is Malary's connection to Farrakhan her past praise for him and her attempts to distance herself from him without explicitly disavowing him the other thing, right? Is that the tablet Jewish magazine? Did a big story about basically if I have this right antisemitic things that were said at the initial organizing metex is that right? Yeah. And so and again, this is a little bit hard to parse in part because the tablet report of the initial organizing meeting. It was mostly anonymous sources who are repeating this conversation. Bob bland and to make a Mallory deny outright, you know, someone else I've spoken to who used to work for the women's March said that this wasn't you know, sort of an open secret that the first you heard a bit was in the tablet article. And so it strikes me as on the one hand, totally plausible. But I feel like I just don't know. But basically what tablet reported was that to make a Mallory and Carmen Perez were browbeating, a Jewish organizer about particular, Jewish responsibility for the slave trade. And so, you know, this is sort of like bubbled beneath the surface, and then it gets conflicted with something else, which is related, but also very different, which is Linda, sir, sores anti Zionism and. Advocacy for Palestine, which a lot of people want to say as defacto antisemitic. I don't believe that that is defacto antisemitic. But I also believe that it becomes much more difficult to say that these arguments aren't antisemitic when they are coupled with associations that are that clearly are so you end up having this incredible. Stew of toxic things. I'll mix together because there's a a long history in civil rights movements of you know, can a very painful tensions between African Americans and Jews right him in some ways, this is like one of the original fissures in civil rights organizing. And then you have the fact that Israel is often used as a cudgel, you know, with which to beat activists. But then on the other end, you have genuine anti-semitism. And so all this stuff is mixed together. And there's also I think a lot of. White progressives. And I would put myself in this category who are not comfortable being the ones who say, you know, these women of color need to step down. But that hesitation has led us to this current moment where all of these organizations pulling out of support for the women's March, including nee roll, the DNC the human rights campaign. You know, Emily's list are they're going to be to women's marches as the end game in New York there so in it's it's a total mess. Right. Like in New York. They're going to be two separate women's marches. You know, some states have canceled their marches, you know, you have debates in synagogues about whether or not people should be encouraged to March. It's just it's a mess to me this should serve as a reminder to progressives about how tricky identity issues are. And I think that there are few things that have the ability to. Tear apart the left probably nothing that has the ability to tear apart the left and make the left less effective and do a giant favor to people like Donald Trump, then falling down into it. Michelle called this toxic stew of arguing over over who's more oppressed and trading charges of racism, and antisemitism and all of this stuff. And and look racism is a huge problem in this country. Racism is a bigger problem than antisemitism in this country and be antisemitism is also a problem in this country. But when people on the left end up spending all of their energy fighting about these issues, it basically makes them ineffective from a political standpoint. And the civil rights movement is a great example of that because the black and the Jewish communities were incredible allies, right? The three civil rights workers murdered and Mississippi were an African American man from Mississippi and to Jews from New York, and when those communities were allied, they they did enormously. Good things in the. Oh rights movement. And when they started to come apart, they became much less effective. And I look at all of this with sadness. And I also look at all of it and say, this is I think an important reminder to people on the left that that if you just go down this rabbit hole of fighting about identity stuff. You're undermining yourself. I so so can I can I can I say something as as a as a member of the political, right? I mean, so on the one hand, I feel sort of a shock of recognition and identification. When I look at this debate. Because what you're seeing in this debate is what happens when you have a more grassroots politics that is subject to less establishment institutional and elite control, and it's happened repeatedly on the right where the more grassroots your politics are the more likely you are to have bigotry paranoia conspiracy theories and racism bubble up. And and it's one. Hasn't been first second. Yes. Because I actually don't think that that's I mean, I think that part of the problem with what's happening right now. It's not as if these four activists bubbled up through the grass roots. Right. They were sort of selected to lead a movement that had already sort of emerged amorphous -ly out of this post, Donald Trump rage. They were kind of pleased on top. And to me part of the problem is that they didn't emerge through any sort of grassroots process. Right. If I think that if they had if they had really kind of come up through the organization, and if there actually was an organization that had some ability to create accountability. I don't think we would have come to this place. She I I'm I guess I'm a little skeptical that that's quite right, or I mean, I I guess I'm just saying there's a lot of politically unexpressed, racism and paranoia and conspiracy theories. Among rank and file democratic voters that don't get expressed right now because the institutional Democratic Party is strong enough to not express them. But the process of a more grassroots party is likely to make them more expressed. But I really think that the problem with the women's March and the problem with some of these other sort of amorphous formations is much more a problem of like, I guess what you might call vanguard ISM where you have these people United by a sort of in co hate sense of protesting and grievance. And then you have a small group that hijacks the movement. I mean, if you look at the principles of the women's March that they created for this first big manifestation, which called for old bunch of things, including, you know, sex workers rights, whatever you think of the merits of those those weren't ideas that sort of bubbled up from the millions of people who were out there marching those were views. That were common in cutting edge feminist circles. And so there was actually a huge disconnect. I think between most of the women who showed up to that March because they were furious that America had just elected a sexual predator, and the sort of list of me she left wing demands that became a platform for the women's March. Yeah, I I agree with that. But that and that also happens on the right, like, the, you know, the tea party begins as a sort of grassroots freak out about some combination of bailout bailouts for Wall Street, the financial crisis and the deficit, and then it gets sort of captured and channeled by activists at freedomworks or the Heritage Foundation who have sort of a pre existing list of right-wing views, but the other thing that happens, and this is where I have a weird sort of sympathy for the dilemmas that the women's March proposes right? You know, one of the challenges of contemporary American politics is that the extremes often have a point. So if you go back to the right in the in the early to mid two thousand right one of one of the arguments that kept happening was a version of this. Where people who supported the Iraq war would say, look all the conservatives who were against the Iraq war are just against the Iraq war because they are anti-semites, and you know, and they and they think some Jewish neo-con. Conspiracy has lied us into war and the truth was that a lot of right wing opponents of the war did flirt with semitism, but how is that true of the women's March? I mean, you know, the debate about Louis Farrakhan who calls juice termites and his VERA Lindley anti-gay, and is just you know, kind of an all around repulsive figure. I don't even I don't even see where the like he's got a point. Not that. It's not that. Farrakhan has a point. It's that as you yourself said early on, right? You are someone on the left who thinks it's who thinks that critics of Israel tend to have a strong point that shouldn't be just described as anti semitism at the same time. These groups that you want to defend on anti-zionist terms. Also, do clearly have overlap with people who if they are not themselves anti semitic make excuses for antisemitic arguments. So it seems like you are in the same position that a right-wing critic of the Iraq war might have been underbush where you want to say, look, we want to separate this left wing position that I think is good from the antisemitism that it gets attached to. And that's you know, that's a tricky thing to do. Right, right. And I think, and I think that that is why again, this is so complicated. Because I mean, I'm very aware that we're like three white people having this conversation, and that you know, I mean, it's kind of that. I'm like. Left most persons conversation. Even though I'm taking a position somewhat to the right of a lot of the people on the women's involved with women's March. But. I do nonetheless tend to think that it is incumbent on people who do want to change the discussion, for example around Israel. And who do think that there are a lot of bad faith, accusations of anti-semitism out there to police actual anti-semitism very carefully because besides the autonomous evil of anti-semitism allowing it to creep in undermines this argument that a lot of people have spent a lot of time trying to make possible to have in mainstream American politics. Do you both agree that the women's marches never going to recover from this that the obviously the movement can? But that the March itself is permanently sullied by this. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, again, if you look at all of the organizations that have distanced themselves from the women's March, including the the DNC, and I'm glad that they have. But if you aspire to be. Abroad based progressive manifestation and yet. Every kind of left organization in the country. Feels the need to distance themselves from you, then you sort of failed by definition. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's my case that these identity issues aren't just fraught in terms of how to appeal to the white working class there. Also fraught within progressivism, and I think that's worth reflecting on. Yes. The the women's March in this manifestation is going to be crippled by this as a force, but the basic dynamic is going to play itself out over and over again as the Democratic Party of all in the direction that it seems to be evolving into. And so I think the David Leonhardt part of the Democratic Party even more than Michelle Goldberg part is going to have to wrestle with these issues more than UNESCO. -sarily want to I think that's fair. Good. Well, on a note of total fairness. The women's March in all of its multiple manifestations will be happening this weekend, and for listeners if you're going or if you're not going, or if you see something interesting while you're going and wanna talk about it. Leave us voicemail at three four seven nine one five four three two four. And we might just play you on the show. Now, it's time for our weekly recommendation and this week, it's my turn which gives me a chance to get something off my chest that will probably brand me as a social outcast more than I am already for the rest of my career. Which is that. I don't like the original Mary Poppins movie adaptation with Julian. And of course, there's a sequel out, which I haven't seen starring Emily blunt, which has gotten mixed reviews. And so having it come out as a good chance for me to recommend that everybody should go back and read p l Travers amazing Mary Poppins novels which are vastly better than the Julie Andrews movie. I guarantee you that they're better than the Emily blunt movie and the displacement by the Julie Andrews version of Travers offals, I think is a great cultural tragedy that you can remedy by buying them. Reading them read them to your kids. Them to yourselves. They're fantastic. I recommend them. Had you read them before. You saw the original Mary Poppins movie is that what can of colored your view of it? Yeah. And I was probably indoctrinated, right? This probably comes from my mom. I think she read them to me when I was five or six or seven years old. And then I saw the Julie Andrews movie, and you know, I mean, the Julie Andrews movie, of course, I understand why people like it. It has great songs and dancing and everything else, but fundamentally the character of Mary Poppins in the books is less syrupy, less sugary much more of a sort of difficult, and sometimes mean character, and the books are just these sort of rich tapestry of weird the adventures the kids have loop in all kinds of mythologies. And you know, they have a different adventure in every chapter. And sometimes it's a terrifying adventure that Mary Poppins seems to impose on them as a punishment. There's just all kinds of things going on in the book that don't make it into the movies, but above all, it's that I find the cat. Actor as played by Julie Andrews is just too nice. I saw the sequel or goes the second one impart because you know, I live near movie theater. It's winter. I see every kid's movie, and you know, it was enjoyable enough. And Emily blunt. I I really like, and I sort of I sort of had a hope that she would have a slightly. Do you think she has a sharper edge, then Julianne? Yes, she she seems like slightly more like there's like a slight undercurrent of dominatrix, which it sounds like is what you want out of your Mary Poppins character. You know, I really wish I could argue with you. But that is complete and correct. And on that fifty shades of Mary Poppins note, that's our show for the week. Thanks for listening. I hope I didn't just ruin your childhood. And if you like what you hear we'd love if you would leave us a rating or review on apple podcasts. If you have a question or comment for the show. Leave us a voicemail at three four seven nine one five. Four three two four, and you can also Email us at argument at NY times dot com. This week show was produced by Alex Laughlin for transmitter media with help from Caitlyn Pierce, our executive producer is Gretta Cohn. We had the usual indispensable help from Tyson Evans, Phoebe, let an Ian pursued Philbrick and special. Thanks to Kaiser health news. Listen to their podcast what the health. 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Jamie Lee Curtis, 'Halloween'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

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Jamie Lee Curtis, 'Halloween'

"Hi, everybody. I m Peter Travers, this popcorn where we tell you what's happening at the movies, movies, and since it's around Halloween time, Jamie Lee, Curtis, my guest today is decided to come back to Halloween as the former babysitter Laurie strode and do movie, well, why should I talk about this? I should just welcome you. Well, thank you very much. And by the way, popcorn is the sort of connective tissue for people in the movies. We don't eat popcorn at home. We watch movies. I never do right. We watch movies at home often were in bed or wherever, and we sit there like this. And we watch movies. There is something this being sort of conduit between your experience in a movie theater. The difference between watching movie at home and going to theater and sitting with strangers in the dark. And having an experience be at a comedy, love story. Everybody's. Sobbing or screaming, and it's just it's such a perfect like when you said and this is popcorn, it was like, that's the connective tissue hit, especially how the wing you wanna be with those people eating popcorn and getting it all face of butter drip. All of it's like Norma, Desmond saying, you know, and those wonderful people out there. But you know what? It's being in the dark is so scary when you're watching a horror film and you're with people, and everyone is anxious and sort of being carried by the story. It's very exciting. You get scared. Oh, terrible. Minnow, none. Peter Travers, I'm Tara did psycho. I know that was the scariest things up. But, but you know what the truth is. I don't think I ever saw psycho until I was an adult. You didn't. We didn't have the h. s.'s and we didn't have Netflix and streaming when I grow up, a movie came out, that was it. And so people would talk to me about it. Really what scared me about psycho was the amount of people who talked to me about. It would say to me while your mom was in psycho, the shower, all of it, I really don't think the movie itself scared me. It was people's perception of the movie, scared me. Well, maybe that's what you were talking about when people are out there in the dark to when they're screaming well, up on their something that happens and clearly I wouldn't have a career. Were it not for the fact that people like to go in the dark and scream in a group of people. I o every one of you my entire creative life because it gave me a place in the industry that I would not have been able to have you done your fish. Share of those scary movies I have, but the fact is that's not the thing, no, but it gave me my start. You know, I, I would not have had an easy go of start were not horror films in the Tristesse matter is I can connect link the dot between Halloween and every other movie I have made made a big impact. John. John Landis hired me for trading places. Nobody knows this only because prior trading places he he did a horror film trailer documentary short called coming soon about fifties, horror movie trailers, and he needed a narrator for the documentary Houdini higher. That's right. Me. A woman had never met a young girl who was in horror movies, so I'm undoing the hi, Jamie Lee. Curtis here we are on the back lot at universal and in the process, John got to know me. And so when he was casting trading places, horror films linked me to him. And when he gave me that gig, which changed my life. It was because of a horror film. And then John Cleese saw trading places and wrote Wanda and Jim Cameron. So wonder and wrote True Lies. Literally every big step connects bags all this or films were you sitting home, you weren't home watching psycho, but were you watching scary? Nothing. Nothing. Nothing didn't want any part of thing. You don't even have a movie that you're scaring. Well, I have a movie. That's my favorite simply because it was thrust upon me. It was the exorcist. It was thrust upon me for two funny reasons. One Ray stark was a very good friend of my mother's race stark, the producer, and I was mean everything about me at twelve thirteen. So I was precocious cute, kind of obnoxious loud. Funny flirty all the attributes. And I was that at thirteen. He could have been Ray. He called my mother and asked her if I could addition for Reagan. And she said, no. And so then I didn't. Then the movie came out and for my fifteenth birthday, we screened it at my parents. My parents had a screening capability and for my friends, we screen that in we screamed the exorcist and it scared me so badly. That the rest of my high school years, my friends would run after me down the hall and run after me and say, the me they may while you do this. Freaked me out so bad that I named my first car, my personalized license plate Di, MI, MI. But you see, it's ironic that here I sit almost kissing sixty. Talking about Halloween a forty year later, sequel to move in nineteen seventy eight, a girl who hates horror movies, but had her personalized license plate, deeming. I was scarred by that and I don't know why I allowed myself to see it. You know, I don't know, visited very often. Oh, Peter, I don't know. Heater look look at me. I mean, come on. No, I, you know, Aladdin scared me. There's a point where Jaffar becomes like a big scary thing at the end of the scared and that scared me all the Disney movies too. They're always wiping out at parents or two in everyone. See your film lover. You've been film over your whole life, and I will give a lot of money to charity. If you can tell me my. My because I'm going to change it. Heidi. Don't worry after this. I'm gonna out myself here on national television. I'm going to give you a lot of money to charity while give it anyway. Why make a bed? I'm gonna give it anyway, but if you can tell me what my travelling gnome diplo is when I travel. To wanna go into exorcist now. I know. So then I'm gonna be ready? Yeah. Road pen, Mark. The bad seed bed seat is I'm wrote a pen Mark. I've been traveling through Europe with a lot of good morning. This pen Mark to your road append Mark. Oh, Klay, Mona. Did you wrote up that mother? What would you keep if I gave you a best kisses? I, I'd give you a basket full of hugs my darling. Oh, mother wrote a pen Mark, the murdering eleven year old. So I guess that got into your consciousness to somewhere along the line. I'm telling you for a girl who doesn't like horror movies wrote a pen, Mark is my girl rotates. So great to have exactly right. Really now high. By the way, my friend, Heidi Shaffer is now calling all of the future places were staying going to change. Now she's Linda Blair. Figure out Marion crane, perhaps. No, just gave that one. I'm gonna have to think of Peter. You can't use Laurie strode. Strode Marion crane wrote a Mark done right now. People are changing addresses on on. Because every room I checked into it said, wrote a pen to kept taking pictures, sending him to my husband every time he laughed and he stayed with me hotel and he ordered a coffee. And when he picked up the phone and said highs, this room service in the woman said, Yes, Mr pen, Mark. What I do for you anyway. Sorry, your husband being Christopher guest, at least you're married to this fun guy or that we all he's very talented guy. He's a wonderfully talented guy. I could watch than shy can watch best you waiting. Didn't my magazine Rolling Stone brings you together? Well, it did. Peter Travers, you, and there was an article about spinal tap in nineteen Eighty-four in Rolling Stone magazine with Cyndi Lauper on the cover, or she's whipping her skirt one way and her legs are going the other. And I saw his picture with Michael McKean and Harry share, but just a picture of them as guys and said to Debra hill, my friend, the woman who wrote Halloween and produced it and became one of my best friends. She was sitting on a couch with me, and I said to her out loud, oh, I'm gonna marry that guy. And it was a picture of Chris and Michael in Harry, and then you turn the page and then it was them in character. And it was shot by Aaron Rapoport and I remember look at physical. Oh yeah. I know I'm gonna marry him and then I called his agent left my number. He never called me, and I ran into randomly at a restaurant and we got married four months later while something. Must have been happening in those a lot. I just there's a great quote that I live by woman marisha pestle wrote a book called special topics in calamity physics. It's a novel great mystery novel. And in it she talks about life and how we all think it's going to proceed. And she says, none of it really does. She says, quote, life hinges on a couple of seconds. You never see coming and what happens. What you do in those seconds determines everything from then on, and you won't know what you're gonna do till you're there. And that's how I've lived my life. My life has hinged on seconds. I never saw coming nothing. Nothing I planned has ever occurred. And I mean my career, my marriage, my children, everything my books, everything every creative venture. I have has never been an idea in my head until the second. It happens. Then it's working, but that's for me. I think that's why the quote resonated because it does. I'm just thinking too because Denver, hell because she's the creator all the week before that and you're, you're telling her about the picture. You see, that's what I'm saying. Everything connects all comes back to does. I run a show together like we could just we would just like compl-. We should do a world tour and we we can have the audience come in with names that you should use exactly. When we travel the world, it would show we can change. Look, I'm ready. I'm ready. Ready. Go behind eater. Eater, I realized that I've been having such a fun time talking to you that I barely mentioned Alloway mention it for looking well. No, because is it over. We know we're not. Okay. Well, I don't know. So it's all good, but it's terrific movie. It's an Riddick, what's great incubator much your hair. I don't know what I didn't grow that out. Now it is. But it is kind of the hashtag time's up for male nurse going on. Well, it's interesting. It was the movie was written before the times that movement times at moving really started a toper tents last year sent amazing. A year anniversary. Yeah. Look at what's happened. And so the movie was written before that. And so the idea of generational trauma and woman really taking back the power from trauma from her perpetrator was written by David Gordon green and weirdly enough, Danny McBride and Jeff Fratacci, you know, six months before, but clearly it has since the time's up me too movement has begun the voices of trauma of women expressing what happened to them, what it did to their lives, how ruined they felt, and the power that comes from confronting it. We just as a nation, watched a woman, raised her hand and testify under oath that she was aggressed when she was seventeen years old and she has carried that trauma all the way through her life and. Whether or not her testimony resulted in the result that may be some people wanted me included. The act of testifying has now brought another wave of women forward saying, I kept quiet all my life. I have been silent all my life, and that's the power that has been imbued into slasher movie. This is a slasher moving. This is an exploitation thrill seeking eat your popcorn, cover your rise, jump like jumping scare. And yet at the core, there's a story of survival. And what that violence does to someone and that to me is something to be proud of in twenty eighteen. It really is an generational. So because in the movie, Laura's got a daughter, she's not really getting a lawsuit has been who was removed from custody and the granddaughter. Yeah. So you see three generations of women, and that's the poetry of David Gordon green and Danny by setting the movie in generational triumvirate of Lori Allison and Karen strode this is a fiction, but the talking about a generational anybody who's a soldier who's come back from traumatic war, what we know about World War One, what we know about World War Two, the trauma that that our military personnel suffer PTSD hums, but it becomes then a family trauma and then even generate. Maly in utero. It can get transferred to the next generation. We know that now we have longitudinal studies about what Saddam does hasn't pathways of your mind. And so again, linking what we're talking about about a slasher movie is exciting because it means that artists are taking real experiences and putting that into a safe place in a dark theater where people can interact and have the same reaction. But it's a conversation that's crucial. I think what's also very powerful is that Michael Myers, he's always been, you know, this masked, yeah, representation of something right. We present and project. What we think is behind that ask, you know, a dead. Pan is a non tell. You know, in poker they talk about the tell people who have the great dead pen faces you project what they're thinking because they're not giving you anything. And a white mask is almost like a movie screen. You know, a white mask human, but with no expression and he makes no sound you than project every fear you've ever had into that. And that's John carpenter and Debra hills, genius, this movie Halloween, even though there's been nine sequel some of the participation. Yes, they're gone whether gone because in order to tell the story of trauma of what really happened to Laurie strode in nineteen seventy eight, we had to connect from seventy eight to twenty. If we had to take all the detours all the storylines it wouldn't be possible. And she's been waiting warriors basically. Not gonna take it any lorries. Life has been ruined by the events of forty years ago. As we said her child has been taken from her. She lives in isolation. She has no friends. She has. No, she doesn't talk to anybody and she has spent her life preparing for one thing. Michael Myers. And the reality is we live in a sad reality. And the reality is that children today in first grade are taught. Active shooter. Planning the way we were taught duck and cover member for player for h. phone, right? But you see in nine hundred seventy eight nineteen eighty two. When Laurie had a child in first grade, all the parents were wondering, you know if they were gonna do finger painting and Laurie strode with sitting the back going high. Excuse me. What's your exit strategy? What what your plan? Because she was paranoid so Laurie has been percents meeting about one thing only and that's Michael Myers in. So the movie it is. It is a meeting that she's been waiting for for forty years the to serious issues carrying something that through generations you have where you destroy your own life as vengeance. You know, even though she wants to do it and it's, we all feel that we all feel that frustration and she's feeling well. Because we all carry something trauma. His not just in a horror movie, an active rant. Violence, people have trauma and all sorts of areas, and we have choices you can. It'll can either kill you. You can run your whole life from it. Or you can have it affect your life, your entire life until you face it. And that's what everyone of those gymnasts did. That's what everyone of those women who testified against Bill Cosby. That's what everyone of these women have accused Harvey Weinstein of doing, which is they are no longer didn't kill them. They are not running from it. It has affected their every move of their life until they have stood up and raised their hand and said no more. I am taking back the power because then I can have a life. That's a hell of a lot of things for slasher movie, right? Yeah. And David Gordon green did it and how he and Danny and Jeff created us funny a movie that has humor. A lot of it movie that has Omar to the. Seventy eight movie and other Halloween movies, but really tells this inherently deep story. Of this collision between good and evil does you know? So mythic it's the myth is now reality people walking around dealing with these Tron, right? So you'd have that is all happening in October in twenty eighteen in time for an October nineteenth release of Halloween crazy. There's something phenomenal about what that of what's happ- when you look at this, I know I have to get you out of here when people come for you. I don't know. It's just your life. You know they come for me to. There's, there's all that'll be the. Whenever tagline of the Peter interview people come over her, do they do when you look at when we when we're doing, we don't care. We don't care because they do whatever we want come. They won't come for us. No one will be like, we, we are the shows so go away. We're just gonna talk about what we want. We don't care about any of the fruit fruit outside what we're talking about. I can't wait and see. I would rather do an entire show where I just flip. I'm gonna Missy Elliott girls reverse it, and. Entire thing on you and spend my entire day going. What was first movie you remember seeing? I'm ready was what was the first one? I remember you'll remember vertigo it had that impacted. It was like, fouled rave. What is this? Okay. What is this? So I saw like the Disney things when I was doing, but I saw this one on television and I went and you went, I was like ten and they said, what is this? What is this? And I look for people who talked me and they said, I don't wanna talk. No, and so simple looking for people can connect the dots here. This, your first movie was an Alfred Hitchcock and he ended up making a movie called psycho which starred my mother who dies in the shower, and now her daughter is sitting here wearing a red power suit talking to you about. Okay. Okay. I'm freaked out now. Complete. Look, good time. I don't get any. It was great. It was great, but this show since you haven't been on this show in song, I have no idea what the song is that's in your heart that you might say, oh, I don't. I don't care. It's just enough. We're going to do a show together. We're going to sing all the time. Okay. Just need a little bit. I know what it is. It's a song you're not gonna. No good. Because it's what I've been doing for the last month and my team are all going to be going like this. It goes do to do to to to to, to do to to to to, to do to do to know song us now do the hustle. Do the hustle. Look at that. All right. I have. I've just have. I'm speechless, which I never am. Everyone it's going to be so good. Wow. Headlines across your screen all day, but you're busy. What do you need to know what's actually shaping your world? I'm Brad milkey from ABC news and every morning we start here. It was extraordinarily for as watching here in Singapore ABC's new daily podcast, a handful of stories, just twenty minutes director. Comey thanks for being with us. Newsmakers smart reporting, taking you straight to the heart of the story. Starting here. Listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app.

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SUSCAST - #012 Sade da populao negra

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SUSCAST - #012 Sade da populao negra

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Elisabeth Moss, 'The Invisible Man'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

20:54 min | 1 year ago

Elisabeth Moss, 'The Invisible Man'

"Hi everybody I M Peter Travers. This is popcorn where we tell you what's happening at the movies and people. There's a movie now called the invisible man that you have to stop everything and see right now. Well not right now. You're going to listen to us. Talk for a few minutes but it is so good. And it's one of the best performances ever given by my guest Elisabeth Moss. So welcome you. Well it's easy when it's true it is. Did you have a good feeling when it was done and you looked at it? Did you say all this torture? They put me was worth it basically. Yeah Yeah I watched a An earlier cut off the film In in screening room in New York by myself and I was it was definitely one of those moments where I was like like a worked. Because when you're making a film like this it's not it's not a gigantic budget. It's not like you know effects but there's effects elements and so you're never quite sure what it's going to turn out to be. It's a crazy story. Talk a little bit about it. Because what's amazing to me. Is THE INVISIBLE? Man Really isn't about the interesting for man it's about someone. He's victimized and that flip of the focus. Yeah has changed everything that was. Yeah well that was all Leon owe them I believe the story goes that they asked him. What would you do with the invisible man? They sort of brought him the property and he just off even the top of his head was like I think I would tell it from the perspective of the victim. And that's the movie that we have today so it was. It was his idea completely. I'd never seen a movie like this before where the villain is actually talks masculinity. Yeah and yeah and the reverberations that come from that. I don't want to be in spoiler territory make if people are angry and make sense. No just describe this character you play. Yeah I play A woman named Cecilia. Who we see at the beginning of the foam is seems to be escaping a house and a man and then we find out that she's actually getting out of an credibly. Abusive relationship Her husband Boyfriend Ends UP COMMITTING SUICIDE. But she continues to believe that she's being terrorized by him and Everyone thinks she's crazy. No one believes her and then and then and then the optics engineer. Yes so he's somebody that would know about what this yes. Yes but what's fascinating about it that I think we can talk about it and women go through this constant. Yeah is that when they feel that? They've been abused everybody's saying I need evidence short. I need to see it. So if it's an invisible entertain YEP which could be real in the movie or could be sometimes what a woman who's been abused goes through absolutely how that doesn't ever leave your head exactly. That's exactly right Peter. That's we're always take some popcorn and I no. You're exactly right I mean it's it's it's two fold. It's not only an analogy for gas lighting and for a woman not being believed but it's also a metaphor for how hard it is to let go of that toxic relationship and the trauma that still exists In a man or a woman as they carry that around. And you can't just oh well I'm out of it now. Everything's GONNA BE FINE. You know there's some damage that's been done and We definitely deal with that in a in you know a metaphorical way and the movie in terms of this society that we're in now it's isn't really speaking to it directly. Yeah guys of horror film. Absolutely I think all great horror films are like that though you know they all have a metaphorical kind of thing going for them in the shining. There's like nine million ideas of what that movie actually means Exorcist or even a movie like You know gravity or something then genre realm. It tends to have a an idea. That's bigger than just the bells and whistles around it. I think it's a way of making a film like this. John Ritter Foam really speak to something deeper and and and be much more interesting. And it is. It's a month teaser. But at the same time it is a horror film. I invasion of the body snatchers. The first one that was done in the fifties on it was basically sub. Textually about McCarthy is right and people being in America turning into such conformance they would go along with what anybody would say absolutely. It's so much about women being believed yep being hurt and being believe yeah which is it. Yeah it's really it's really interesting you're up. No you're absolutely right. I mean for me. It's one of those ideas. Your when I when I read the script kind of like I wish I had thought of this. Like this is so so great and it's so relevant almost seems so obvious. Now you know well. I don't think it's obvious because we're just getting to the point. Where recognized able to do this a decade ago. I think the sense of invisibility is that means. There's something else spiritual or something in our heads that Honda's that's not what were your favorite horror films like I loved the shining. Obviously there's a lot of recent ones. I really like a little quiet place. I love Jordan's films. You know. Get Out and US I loved hereditary. I Dunno if Midsummer's technically horror film but okay. I loved Midsummer So I I love his work. I like a lot of the things that are coming out now will win. You worked with Jordan Peo- in a supporting role in us. Yeah Yeah couldn't that. What was that like what it likes to work with him. Well he's just a dream he's dream US exactly what you'd hope he'd be like smart Very Funny Very Nice But doing that film was so great. Kind of 'cause I that's when I realized that this genre was really fitting for me because I could do things that were so crazy. You know like smiling while dragging a knife across my face and and while laughing and crying at the same time and Jordan. Just come in and be like Dan tastic and that was so funny here. That was so great and I was like. Oh this is like my. This is my genre I can do at everyone like is GonNa love it. Can you do that now from the other side? Can you look at your husband dying and go from tears to laughing in like ten seconds and I was like? Yeah that's awesome. Let's try that so for me that stuff. That's like I love doing that. Like really weird crazy stuff. So I think the leaks genre kind of thriller thing is my gym but you always have that mischief in what you do you know. It's one of the great things we'll see great thing to have that you know what it's going to be with you think it's going to be and that's it. When did that start? When did when was it when you decided that you were going to be an actor that you've thought I can do this. Gosh I don't know I think that I did a film. When I was ten with Harvey Keitel and he was a real actor you know he was a serious actor and he was probably one of the first like real serious actors that I had met and worked with and He was lovely and so nice Spill imaginary crimes. Yeah Yeah And and it was like a real part and I do a couple of dramatic scenes. I think I I don't know I just was like not. It's not like I thought. Oh I'm good at this. I just thought away really like this and this is something I think fits me really well. And then that Director Tony. Actually ended up directing my first episode of the West Wing. Seven years later. You just all crazy. It all comes full. Starting you grow up on sets. I mean lately you've been doing so much. Tv that's been so great that they've calling you the queen of Peak TV. That's great that. Come with the crown. No you don't you don't Nice but movies are another thing too is great to see you doing that. And I also you people. I saw this one in Shirley Shirley I think that's part of the film critic thing is you need to see these nine. Sometimes they turn out really good but again Shirley Jackson or this version of her that she wrote the lottery and other things is not is leading a kind of Virginia Woolf. Oh yes nine. Easy with her. And Michael Barr Gas. Uh-huh please her husband. We we would reference Virginia Woolf all the time It's a really. She is such an interesting life really. That's the that's the thing because when you see in Shirley and you see her faculty party jumps back. Fasten your seat belts. That was really she. Was We really try to you? Know it's IT'S NOT A. It's it's very fictional kind of as you know retelling of of a part of her life But Sarah Gibbons worth this beautiful script and and it it. We really tried to capture her mischief. Though and her her her kind of she liked to inflame you know she likes to kind of poke fun at people. Like to be disrupted disrupted great joy out of it. You know you know the lottery. The short story that she wrote I think to this day. Although the fact may have changed for a long time that story in the New Yorker received the most hate mail of any story ever published in the New Yorker disrupt. It was incredibly people. Were not people did not like what she didn't that story. They loved the story but it would be very upsetting for people. You seem to have a traction to this kind of thing which I love. You know. It's like I'm not afraid of this. I'll do it doesn't matter. We'll get the hand mainstay via I love it. I don't know why I just I. I love dark challenging material. It's what gets me going. Well maybe in between the next three do one rom com or maybe holiday movie. No they should do that. We're trying to make a hallmark Christmas movie and saying that is just making me. I'm like what are we going to do with this? It's going to be like somehow dark and upsetting. Addis cry now. It could be really bad but I I would love to do a smart romantic like when Harry met. Sally is my favorite film of all time and the all time. Oh Yeah that's a bold state. Oh Yeah I love that phone so much but you know you need a really really good writer. I mean that was obviously. We're Ephron it's the best and and and you know you need that kind of writing to do a really good so to find a really good script. Well it's out there there. There are a lot of great writers out there to do all that. So what happens to the characters that you've played? Where did they go in terms of your head? Where do you store them? You know in your consciousness. I don't go away. They just go most people come up to you and say talk to me about Madman. Yes and then I bring it back. I was talking about it. See All right yeah. Go talk about it. What happened yeah I. I don't store them at the same time. They all have really big parts of my personality in them. So there's parts of me and one that's closest to you the way that's so hard because there's yes. I mean I do think June is the most is the closest to me But I also think she's going through a really kind of rough time so I. I think that I don't know how much I identified with her. Maybe more in the beginning when she was more human now she's getting a little rough but There's parts of you. That are very very me. Honestly there's parts of surely I watched Shirley I remember going. Oh my God that's actually me like. I have a big part of me that is Shirley. That's how I know. I think it'd be on doors going to faculty partners especially when I'm grumpy tired. Then the Shirley Jackson tax see well. We don't really want that a little afraid of dealing with this when that happen. Yeah so are you feeling? You're on the right trajectory for you. Is this everything you wanted to be when you said I'm GonNa make this my career. It's more than I actually thought I would be honestly because I never. There's a lot of dreams that you can't even dream. You know I never. I didn't set out to go. I'm GonNa make like a really good horrifying. I'M GONNA be on a show about advertising. It's going to do really well in the sixties. You know like there's stuff that are. I'm make the handmaid's tale. You know a first person narrative book that has no ending like so. There's there's a lot of things that Margaret would be time at that time and so I I didn't think I would ever be been this incredibly lucky physician honestly now. You're starting to shoot season. Four right. Yeah you're going day Monday so actually happening actually happening. It's so crazy and I mean I've texting Bruce and Dana and Dina's directing and you know just it's been yeah I can't I? I'm really looking forward to talking about it for so long so I really want to get in there. Do I hope that lady is back of course down here you know. She said she told such wonderful stories that I would never repeat. I love her. She was so great and I had to be tortured and it would be by Aunt Lydia. Could it be could be worse? Could be way great stories. See torture she just like the most nicest person. Oh no she is just want to hug. And it's going to be good the biggest heart. It's so interesting. I mean. She's truly an incredible actor. But I know that's why she's so all right. Well there's a couple of questions we have to take from the outside world of the twitter verse Arraigned Ready For this letter. Still going guy of spite the trend okay. Gps Palin says have you ever been asked to be in the comic book movie and what was it. No I mean. The kitchen was based on a graphic novel But no I've never been asked to to be in like a a big one. Yeah I've never been asked. Well people come on. This is if she is available. She's available except ten months shooting six months. I'd like to be a villain or something. I don't know there's something interesting. I think to be done there for sure. Oh there is anyway here we go from Flavio. Castellani says what's food lobby? Do you miss most about madman all Peggy? I miss playing her her. Chevy see they are there. Yeah he's character was doing. Of course there's some day do you WanNa go out and just say I think I'll be pegging tonight that I don't think she questions would that sound good. They started doing that. You need to have a chat with me. And some time offer something very norma desmond like going out and playing characters from my career on MC free time. Okay here's the last question from here to Diana Conversion Twenty eight. Who says what was it like to work with Taika. Ytd and Michael Bender on next goal wins. Could you tell us something funny or surprising? That happened absolutely filming. Absolutely tyco was just so much on to work with like. I don't know if it's like this on. Every foam of his film is is funny and It's he was so much fun. There's a lot of Improv. A lot of Okay try this all right. Let's try this like He. Just he laughs harder than anybody at what? You're doing He's entertained more than anyone. It was honestly not a job. It was so much fun. The surprising thing is fast. Bender is a genius at comedy and Improv. I had no idea He was so we would do a scene and you would have to say a line at the beginning of the scene as we were walking in he would say a line to me every single take it was a different line and incredibly intelligent and then a great joke every single time and we were at a party and I was like she do that and he was like well. I was trying to impress you. It was your first day joke. That's true but thanks. Yeah it was really. I don't know I consider him a a serious actor and obviously a very very good one. I didn't know he was so good at. This will be the fun side of you that we'll see. Maybe it's not a hallmark Christmas movie. No I think it'll be a finer side and then French dispatch will be fun. You said that that try was Anderson. Fun side and that's like in little segments and it's yeah and who do you play I don't know if I can say I'm I'm so scared to say anything terrifying to work in this busy. You can't say that you in the handmaid's exactly just be a handmade. I just WanNa say anything that that the director hasn't himself said because I feel that's a good guide so you know you. All it's in the trailer is all. I feel like I can talk about pretty mysterious. All right. That means you just need to see it. As we always end the show and Song you could sing. Forgotten what you're feeling about it. How some people do try to forget about. Let me see what once you what's in your head. What do you listen to Whoa? You're shooting a movie like the visible. My God I can't sing any of that. It's all like Hich Johan Johannson like you know the composer yeah. No one wants me to sing that. Did you think of something something? Maybe something you saying or you. It was sung to you when you were child. Something that's like that that's the opposite of what you have to go through. What came to mind is not that at all. I'm sorry but I ran into I got to meet. Goes US certainly at Sundance? When I was there with Shirley and I sort of was I was I kind of stumbled out Belinda Carlisle like I saying your song and on On my show and I don't know if she knew what I was talking about and thought I was crazy but I I have in is a place on earth. Quite a bit and tonight Ooh Baby Dino. What that's worth. Ooh please I wasn't that Smiley. No probably got the smile. Yeah but people you go out and see the invisible man if needed and just what magic thank you thank you thank you.

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