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Knockouts and 3 Counts  Episode 93 AEW ALL OUT and STARRCAST 3 Preview

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Knockouts and 3 Counts Episode 93 AEW ALL OUT and STARRCAST 3 Preview

"You're listening to the podcast detroit visit w._w._w. Dot i'd pass detroit dot com for information what up doe everybody this pile and you are listening to knockouts and three counts <hes> in studio with me. We got cab with me and i'm thinking tony's going to be given a given a call in here in a little bit devon's <hes> kinda laying on getting the lay of the land in texas and figuring out what he's going to be doing down there but <hes> kept. Why don't you throw out your social media and let everybody know where they can find you on. Facebook is kevin d res- <hes> on instagram is underscored. Remain eighties on twitter is unscrupulous gourmet eighties. His mother must still love because his social awesome medias are still the same. Yes definitely it's like a new world record. We ears but you can find me on twitter and instagram at detroit knockout at detroit and okay oh u._t. Make sure you're following the page. Knockouts and three counts podcast on facebook knockouts counts on youtube kale three c. pod on twitter and instagram graham and <hes> at k._a._b._c. dot com. You can see all of our episodes <hes> kev. We got quite a weekend jump into <hes>. Yes yes yes so. Where do you wanna to start you want to start with star cast you want to start with all out we as dark as so first of all <hes> as we announced on our page a little bit ago and if you pay attention schorr social media <hes> we did get credentials for that event so we have access to all the panels the party with joy danila siyam park jon moxley all that so <hes> a lot of stuff to a lot of stuff to get into <hes> cap out of the ones that they've announced. What's what's <hes> one of the panels. You think is either going to be a sleeper or one that you're looking forward to hearing what they say. I think the the wrestling with stereotypes could be the one that's gonna be sleeper like i really think night eagle eagle eagle inspect to see in there in that one so it's funny that you name that one right off the rip because <hes> andreas intel are friends of the show. I've already been in contact with them. We're we're going to be doing in an interview with them and we met with big swell <hes> at the <hes> shine show so she's she's gonna sit down and do an interview with us kale in <hes> andreas and that will be on our youtube channel <hes> facebook all of our usual social media and stuff so so beyond the lookout man. We're going to have all the best content you know we have <hes> we have access to all the panels and with that access. We're going to be able to be bringing you the best best interview so that's definitely one that i personally look forward to <hes> aid to show love to kel- in them but also you're as we mentioned before on the show with my health. I get the whole stereotype right so i'm looking forward to that one <hes> for me. I think one that might be a little bit underrated is <hes> i am interested to see what's going to happen with the milenko one okay oh oh yeah because he just he just left there and now he's with a w in you know i mean <hes> what are what are some things that you want to hear from malingco one or do you have any questions that you would personally wanna. Ask him like out. I probably asked what was his. What was what was what was his mindset. They asked was released. I i was he at the. I wanna release go join aid and then you've gotta wonder was awa kind of already in the as hey right was that already kind of like in the works and it just was something that nobody knew <hes> for me. I i guess my question is going to be around the same line <hes> just in that for him to just go straight from w._w._e. To then go a to a w is quite the jump man so the bow move right so i'd like to hear what goes into that you know. I'd like to hear some of the stories stories. He's probably got that are gonna come out about his time in w._w._e. And like i said that one that one that one's gonna it'd be really it's going to be interesting. I don't even know what to say on that one but for those of you can't see what we're laughing about. It goes down in the group chat <hes> but <hes> the other ones that we obviously got look at <hes>. I'm really excited to go. Check out the c._n._n. Punk one <hes> worse that one's going to be one that i'm definitely i wanna hear everything. He's got to say <hes> especially with it being the first time be spoken in what five years you don't wanna wrestling forum so i'm sure he's going to get all all the questions to be honest with you though like as far as on wall oh no he's not and then well i in so here's the thing because everybody is going to be asking him so much about wrestling mm-hmm. I feel like i wanna ask them about him and me of course got to. I want to ask you about m._m._a. Because but like everybody's going to be asking about wrestling x. my a._j. Now i'm not gonna go. There strikes me as a guy. That might get a little testy that kinda shit so no i'm gonna i. I wanna know i wanna know. I wanna know what's going on as far as you know. Do we see him russell again. Is he going to stick to doing commentary with him as he is. He looking to fighting continue to ernie's goes sleeps running out. Let's see if he actually cops to that. <hes> what do you think about the moxley thing though bro about what's going on with him now well he's got mersa and all that and now who knows actually going to is really bad timing for him like he was gone for six months and w w me nine months nine months and came back had a horrible he'll turn in. They live so the he same thing going right well. I mean that's not his. I mean the mercer thing. I'm thinking is i mean i guess it is is but i mean at the same time. What i mean is like. They didn't know that was going to happen but then here's the thing you've hyped this panel. What happens if so so now. What are you going to have him. Come talk. I hope he does because. I hope we can still get them. <hes> you know we'll see what happens. I mean we were talking about this on the way over and we'll get more into it once. We get to all out and all that kind of stuff <hes>. I'm looking really forward to seeing just what comes out of those 'cause. Something tells me that i mean punks. Gotta know that everybody's gonna ask them of course they. You know you know he knows what he's getting into okay so maybe he's ready to talk about it. You know i could be off base but but i wouldn't be shocked if because the enemy thing you know is kind of run its course this point at least as it seems and and who knows that he doesn't try to come back to wrestling somebody who was it. Somebody was telling me that there was rumor or or something to be said that w._w._e. Called see punk. I hereby delaware so <hes> i like. I said i'm i'm i'm interested to see what's gonna come out of that and then like the other thing is i'm looking forward to genoa palooza holy. God thing is i don't know what quist beg at the geneva so then they got tone lok doing the semester he yeah yeah so <hes> that's bro. That's it's gonna be interesting. The details of a hardware legend make some stories detail and that's a dream interview for me lord willing dude with those media credentials. Hopefully we'll be able bring him to you here on the show. He's definitely somebody. I'm looking forward to <hes>. I definitely want to know some things. As far as the original original helena sell like like for instance i know he's. He said he's afraid of heights. We still went up there anyway like for you do that. That's took took balls. Look i think he went into that. Fully knowing look dude. This is gonna hurt but it's going to leave me a big <hes> a big impact and then not to mention so here's the other thing and i've said it before if we ever get to if we ever get get to <hes> interview noel foley a have to ask like what was that like for you watching to watch that in like what are your thoughts on it now now that you're older like <hes> i would love to hear stuff like that. I wanna hear about some of his time e._c. W and like all the the whole canedo he thing right allie the air by his talents the commissioner so he's having fun i wanna know was thoughts on his most recent run. It was good linear. There's plenty of things that i could ask them and so oh i'm i'm really looking forward to that one and hoping that <hes> you know it lines up that we can get some footage with him as well. <hes> all star cast star cast got quite a few cool panels <hes> like i said we've got access to all of them. <hes> i personally won't be able to get into friday morning so i won't be there for <hes> undeniable desirable arable <hes> with cody rhodes. That's the one that i'm really bummed about because cody somebody. I'd love to get on the show just like i said to me. He's been one of the most interesting interesting stories ever since he left w._w._e. And i mean the the guy's been hot and now you've got a w. and all this so. I feel like you're going to get some really cool stuff out of that that one but think about this you might you might get interview brandy. Where women are eight of you or brubaker say that again baker or brandy right but i mean wait a minute make that route baker or branded with the women women right so you might give anyway they wanted to do. Oh sure i definitely want to get an interview with them too. I was like wait a minute. What is it got to do with it. 'cause you can't get one rose. Get the other day man i dude. I'm just hoping that we can get good content because like you know what i you know. We're gonna come back with some pretty cool stuff or and <hes>. I just wanna take in the experience enjoy. It was kinda crazy. We got to sit in on the conference all conference call with conrad and sports illustrated and e._s._p._n. I and p._w._i. Insider and all that and <hes> so you know it's cool to even be involved with any of this stuff and <hes> you know you've you've got ring of honor coming up in so many so many big things man so it's it's a great time to be in wrestling right now. You're like look everything you've got going on. You got ring of honor you got n._w._e._a. You've got evolved got shine you've got w._w._e. Annex t is is is is even greater time to be a fan at the moment go man. It's just so so much like me personally. I like the state department. I got choices though i wanted to watch oh yeah dude like that's the thing it's not just one thing and that's it so as a kid when we were rejoices we either those w._w._e. Or w and east the sparingly so is like so. Let's talk about the elephant in the room since you brought it up so obviously we're talking about <hes> things that are on t._v. What do you think with exceed next. He go into <hes> annex t going to two hours then on u._s._a. I've been predicting this for two years but i didn't. I want to thank everybody knew eventually. It was going to happen two years ago. I didn't as big a._w._s. Right but i don't know man my only worry would go onto u._s._a. On one hand like on a surface level two hours annexed he would be great but if it gets to be something to where it becomes so produced do st- like ron smackdown do now that well. That's that's why they've tried to incorporate to five into the innings roster ah five as his own show which will be which will make more sense. I mean like i said i think an x t is great. I just hope that it doesn't take away from the product once it goes to you know u._s._a. And i hope it's not some where vince tries to start changing everything that i mean and i hate to say see that because i'm not one of those guys it's like vinci's this and that but that does scare me a little bit because there was such a handed the n._f._c. so when they go to <hes> get a major in a primetime spot he might one who put his hand in there and debbie wednesday vince stay from n._f._c. literally though but we've talked about the one half of the wednesday wars. What do you think about the other half so we've got all out. That's this weekend you've got takeover. Connect could carve eh takeover carpet but let's get into all out. I so you've got <hes>. Let's see you get to live feed open anyways so <hes> yeah man you've got to start. You've got <hes> kenny omega. They just kenny omega. Just they announced that he's going to be you know now. Facing park okay bastard pock. The idea of seeing pocketing w i think is great because you're going to get the cpac how <unk> should have been when he was doing the he'll run and w._w._e. But they didn't never let it really get off see but my problem with this is that i understand they were there. They were in a bind. Nobody knew that you know moxley was going to have the problem with mersa or and all that but dude that it like that match had a build to it and so that's my thing like. I'm somebody that as i'm getting older. There's more for me to be said about <hes> <hes> there's more for me to be said about the the bill that goes into a match because that's what makes me care or a replacement right so you know what i'm saying like. It's damn good. I mean it was a replacement managed pretty. Damn good replacement match but i mean you know so. Let's start with that one. Who do you got got park or kenny. See with this being a first match in a._w._s. Because for the first match what the have never <unk> happen. I have to say kenny just because 'cause who knows pocket. Were actually stay. Hey there i think he's going to i feel like he's gonna win but also with the way that things went with hangman i could also kind of see it to be where they have some kind of screwed bullshit finish though because you don't wanna you don't want to i mean to have pot not come in and just lose right away it true kenya lost one match already so kenny kenny can't lose another match man like can you. You don't need to go losing another match. That's not what i'm saying but it just makes us when awkward but again it also adds intrigue because you don't know what the hell's going to happen right. What mant you wanna go ahead next brother man the this does go for the tag team match which is actually the match morris is about the best friends versus the dark order okay and who do you got and why and what makes you excited about manche mainly because i i like to smash brothers. I like them. I like them really really like like the new gimme the gimme they get but i got them. Go all the way to become the new awa. Taxing chevy's are are. Are we like like. I like the best because i'm a fan of bread. The entrance trent trench. Read a entrant. Greta is threat not an beretta and i think it's gonna be awesome. H man you know the best friends have been underrated for a real long time. There's no arguing that <hes> but i have to say i'm really kinda intrigued with dark order yeah. I didn't know what the hell thing the first time when they all came out like that. I'm like what in the fuck what what are they doing like and then as i started to see it. It's still not i'm not gonna say. They're like my favorite tag team but it's got me interested but if i gotta pick one i think best friends are the better team but i'm gonna go out. Dr quarter best friends are better team but doug orders being pushed pushed really heavy right now and i just put this out there. The best friend has the best trimbe package. I've seen since eighty a aliens teddy bears and goats in a video package and only thunder call in. I see you're watching right. Wow but <hes> yo you know tony thunders in the building. Give them your social media's real quick yell at me to stony thunder <hes> on on twitter at cowboy hat hat on twitter at kabwe hat facebook at pink cowboy up so there's that eh but so we just started to get into all out and we went over the kenny in <hes> pock match <hes> what's what's your quick thoughts on that and who do you got man <hes> crazy what happened to marginally man <hes> sad to hear. Hopefully he gets back in his <hes> back. In good condition becky shapes only get everything worked out zell tough man but i mean at this point. Can you really bet against kenny omega. Yeah and that's an kev brought up a good point with that too like my first initial thought is like man. What are you doing with this one. Because now you're bringing pock into you want him to lose in his first match but then i thought about it will kenny's already lost too so he can't take too many more losses to and since it's a throw in like that to me it kind of makes it a little more intriguing. Absolutely i mean there's definitely a match who you know who's who's pagan. This man undergoes a bolt could use momentum. I mean don't you heard him. Say wins and losses supposed to matter in here so i mean you're a winner big. Kenny's the best about machine can't lose. Many matches yeah absolutely so. I think we're all on the same page with that one <hes> we the next match we went over was <hes> the dark order verse best friends who you got the best friends now sexy check e._t. He is my guy. I'm big fan of his for a long time and <hes> him insurance is just one of the best things going on in indy wrestling and pro wrestling in general so i'm the only only one took the dark lord of douglas okay so tony's tony's the lone wolf on this one so shout out to our sponsor match stransky who's is in <hes> watching the feed right. Now i see <hes> but matt man next match. We should go into you. Were talking about tag teams. Will why don't we just get into the ladder match. <hes> you've got deluge brothers verses <hes> the young bucks. They're running it back again and i don't know about you guys but holy shit. This matches got fireworks written all over it like this definitely you're this is definitely out of everything on the card is either top one or top two matches that i'm looking forward to <hes> as far as this card <hes> for me man. I think they're going to pull out all the stops. It's it's going to be insane. Twenty bucks smelter gives it five stars but what i'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with the young bucks in though it. This is gonna be a car. Crash is gonna be awesome and i'm also go with yamba is because lubar deluce brothers throughout the match so the bus got in wrestling. We put out table you the one who you got tony. You know when i when i when i first started wrestling nothing on the west coast <hes> i heard about ray horse brothers everybody was saying illusion brothers alike lucia version of the young bucks and that's what they were compared to everybody who i've talked to about to lose your brothers and compare them to being the lucia young <music> bucks matches definitely gonna be for those who've seen them work before you. You know you know to expect but me personally. I'm gonna go your brothers on okay okay any specific. I'm going i'm going. I'm going to cover us route and i'm going to cameras route so since it's the next one that just popped up on the screen. I'll go back to back with these to these are when i said those two were the top up to i was looking forward to these ones are probably the other ones so the next match we should look into is going to be darby. The allen versus joey vanilla versus jimmy havoc that match is going to be a fucking car crash man. Somebody's going to the hospital. There's somebody to jimmy having a i'm gonna go with you on this. One man okay nice okay. I'm going to go with darby allen. I think i think it's gonna be. I think i'm gonna go with tony on this. When i think danila i think donell has gotta get him some bag noon so at at at the legal thing it was over. I think i think has got to get him some back but since we didn't talk about it and we were talking about the panels. Let's talk about the official official all out party. That joey is going to have that. We're going to be at with tone. Lok is doing the fuck in emcee for that. That's going to be the same macadamia they got. They got so much like crazy different stuff like tony. Was there any of the panel the crazy <hes> you know. The great thing about that party is that enzo was invited so no i'm joking. I'm joking so are there questions yeah i was gonna say. Are there any of the are there. Any of the panels like in specific that you are looking most forward to. Are there any questions that you wouldn't wouldn't are wanting to ask to them. Necessarily i mean i really haven't looked into panels and was going on as far as so the main ones we got. Are you got see 'em punk. You've got maliki. I'd not obvious ones like the big ones you know i mean and then we're doing something with the stereoty <hes> wrestling with stereotypes <hes> panel we're going to do an interview with <hes> kellen andreas and then <hes> big soul to so we'll be there for that one too to <hes> but i'm really looking forward <hes> we talked about the malingco one <hes>. I think malingco is could be good. You still got moxley. You've still got obviously you've got punk. You've got foley's one foley's is going to be pretty good. Women the women avai w <hes> <hes> <hes> <hes> you got undeniable desirable with cody <hes>. Let's see tony chaban. He's got one and then those are most most of them. Obviously obviously punk is author wrestling questions in the world so you know that's that's really nothing that you can actually actually in punk. There probably won't get asked obviously. That's my car about the box in mid-may question. That's what i planned on the first thing. I said when i heard what we were going to do that as like my questions person's gotta be m._m._a. Related right any thoughts on any of the other panels name personally only man if i could pick demon winkles brain that will be the penalty that i would go too personally because i when i'm going to fucking team lincoln. I mean goddamn plus. I think about this being malingco not to mention think about a thousand think about none of them are on bars where they the three the three family grundel but <hes> you know the thing malingco to you got to remember. I mean he just left w._w._e. You know from being on creative with them in an agent and things like that you know and then he goes straight day w i mean that's that's i mean. There's a plot to dive into with that so <hes>. That's definitely one that i'm interested in. It's actually the first one i'm going to <hes> when i get there friday <hes> back back to the card you know we went through darby allen and <hes> jimmy havoc match. You've got after that one that i'm i'm interested interested in and again as we talked about of why i was kind of bummed the moxley matches in happening because there was actually a build up to that for that same applies as to why i'm excited for this match cody rhodes versus shawn spears with tully blanchard in his corner congratulations shine spirit. Just got got married. Hey that's what's me but <hes> what have you watched have you guys watched <hes> road <hes> all out stuff and seen what they've been doing with <hes> tally in sean. Tony's there kevin what about you. I i think blanchard was a good like a good piece to put with shine like. I'm not sure how here's a promo skills is so blender. It was a good person to put with him. I like the fact that they haven't revealed everything right right and i. It took me a minute because i'm thinking tully blanchard one like really and i thought about it. I'm like dude. He had a dog ask feud with dusty trump so if anyone knows how to be the roads odes makes you know so i think it <hes> it it adds instant credibility for shawn spears. I have tully blanchard endorsement. I don't know i don't know if this is going to be a one and done or were. They go with this one but i think this could be one that steals the show because i feel like there'll be a lot of theatrics senate true for me. I'm gonna go qodian. I'm happy go shine why so because like we're with him by offer like the he'll have to go over sometimes and with the with this few the way the way he started out a few he he got finished up hot. He started high finish. I mean like i said that's definitely one that. I'm looking forward to what else do. We got on this card the twenty one. Let's see we've got a match that they just announced yesterday. You've got loose. Soroush jungle boy marco stunt versus ocalan censored. That's going to be christopher. Daniels frankie syrian scorpio sky the u. s. c. You i'm definitely looking forward to that one. The videos that they do would jungle boy and lucia soroush are just fucking awesome marcus with a leash on dude. It's it's so funny though but that little bastard will get up there and fly off anything. I don't know man that one's going to be a fun match. I feel like there's going to be a lot of it's funny shit in that match. I think that's definitely going to be a match that is definitely going to keep the crowd entertained that might not be the badge bench so you're gonna watch for the most great wrestling although all the guys in that match ken russell but for for some nice hotspots does the best message to have other than the match. I don't know i'm looking forward to that. One that one i think probably could be a match. You might see this past episode of being the league <hes> legit suarez head jungle book boyle his shoulders and job ahead marcus don't his saw within they had was named on john john morrison anti anti prince presley and may so let's see we've got a private party verses and helicopter and jack evans private party. That's fucking fire written over do ally jack evans and an helical but private private parties gonna win. They think they're trying trying to build them. There's going to be them. Eventually them in the young bucks will actually have they match in aid of you so you got the twenty one woman casino battle royal. Will they just announced. You've got eva lease. You've got <hes> brick baker. You've got all the names that we know in the ones that we don't yet <hes> you've you've got you've got awesome. Kong's going to be in their aisha khan i heard kong's out <hes> <hes> but debt match is going to be interesting. You got any thoughts on who you think might be the person to get the you know. The women's title shot katy perry kylie ray highly right whatever i was gonna say wrong company. It'd be a kylie ray. I she she's that she's that bailey daily character that they wanna reach for so she's going to get the win. That'll say i'm trying to think of who i got. <hes> brand apprise interest not a surprise bryce. You know brandy is gonna be in there. If i gotta pick one. I'm going to go neither rose. That's a good pick but <hes> i'm gonna go brit baker mrs nicole. What do you think about the three picks that they added <hes> this couple of weeks ago. You know you've got a eva lisa's coming in. We just saw her this past weekend here in michigan in a great match against adversaries martinez and detroit's own pinkies up ak <hes> but you've got her. You've got jazz is going to be in it yeah. This guy just totally drops out but allison. I heard it. I like the promo for jazz inducer. Tony got any pick <hes> for the twenty. One woman <hes> women's battle royal oh tossup. That's kind of like you know andre or to move about a royal plus. You don't know all who's in it. The other imagine we went over while you were on hiatus. We went on hiatus quintessential without kyle. We can't put those on the screen and work facebook said that it's too much text on the screen so so anyway frame ki ki image gadget so the we were talking about cody rhodes verses mrs shawn spears with telly blanchard first of all what are your thoughts on them putting tully blanchard with shawn spears and do you think that it adds instant credibility. I mean <hes> <hes>. I think the way they're running with. The story is it's dope. You know it's <hes> it's something you want to keep your eye on you know they're trying to get as many eyeballs as they can before we start and the main story lines. Are you know very interesting so <hes> i'm personally. I'm personally leaning towards cody but you never know. It kind of seems like you might lose this one to get help himself. What do you think about <hes>. What do you think about the whole telly blanchard thing. What do you think on the pick to put them. And how do you think it's played out so far. I think so far. I like it. You know i'm not the kinda gotta jump to conclusions like a you know a lot of people got the face pioneered base or whatever you wanna call it when it comes to the character with the scene so you know you gotta get things sounded develop some time so far. I like it. I agree to me at first. I was like why i tully blanchard but then when i thought about it i'm like dude. He had such a dope viewed with dusty. It's a great person to pick. 'cause you can say well if anybody knows how to be. The roads is really. It's totally blanchard so i like it and i liked the way that they cut off j._r. Like that so. I i'm really interested to see what happens with that one and who knows maybe we can get mr spears on the show to talk about it in chicago. That's like charlotte who who is a heart but his i i mean you're right and i can't even i can't even argue that <hes> let's see what are we got next on the card. We also went over private party versus an helicopter and jack evans. We got man. Oh boy helical can man if you can't flip. I'm going to go man we. I think that was a clean sweep for for us on that one yeah. Let's see <hes>. Let's see what we already. Did that match. Did that match well. The looks like the last match we got left left. Is l. grand champion. We've got a who's going to be the first awa champion. We've got the hangman adam page versus versus chris jericho coats so there's so much to unpack on this first of all yeah first of all. What do you think and i think it's fucking brilliant first of all. What do you guys think of jericho's promos leading into this and the reason i ask is if you watch the most in recent episode of the road to <hes> all out jericho cuts about a minute and a half pro like a minute half promo about how so if he loses this match then it's essentially the beginning of the death of christianity <unk> jigger right and he was making evidently really clear that he's why he needs to win this match but so he showed but it shows why jericho so good he makes you believe bro like i have to win this shit because don't zone right. You know what i'm saying so and for him to say look. This is the beginning of the end of my career. I mean that saying something <hes> and i think this is going to be out sago ever since he came back after the g._p._o. Instead like he was rejuvenated. I knew after a while this time would come and it hasn't been that good wow <hes> but at this point you kinda gotta look at a._w._s. What are they going to do. Are they going to try to put prestige with the title genetical or are they going to actually stand there and say we're going looking to the future we are the future only went to future utah actually put the title on page <hes> either way agreed choice me personally the way they think gearing towards being the wrestling promotion of the future i. I think that they were going to hang so for me. Even though i think it wouldn't be a bad move to put the title on jericho jericho just the wade's being set up. Something tells me that they're going to have jericho. Put hangman jerko. W i think that pretty much that pretty much sum set up awesome x and <hes> before we get into the rest of what's going on surrounding this weekend and the impact is going to have on the wrestling business as i mentioned a few minutes ago will our sponsor match stransky was in here watching with us and and if you're in the market for a new home strength gained company is where you need to go you can find him on instagram house. Exactly man like this dude just posted another listing. If you look in our <hes> shows story or not like we got to tell the people that they don't sell houses because they give you homes right. It's a halt. I'm an excuse me randy. Luther vandross say a chair is not a chair unless somebody's sitting there home another home look man. I house is not a whole unless you get it. I just need all i need. You guys to do is just go. Look at our show story. Look at the house bro. They show oh you all the rooms in the house. 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There's stuff out man and i promise you if you even if you're not looking for eric somebody damn oh i mean seriously though absolutely louis but <hes> you know now that we've went through all out and all that stuff what do you think where do you think <hes> <hes> we are with the wrestling business right now and i'm going to put context behind that question so it's also been announced now. That next is going to go to two hours on wednesday on u._s._a. And they're going to go head to head with all not all out all the way tuesday night up yet. No it's the wednesday night right. I can't talk today. I'm lou all out rest but <hes> what are your what are your thoughts on. X._t.'s move to <hes> u._s._a. And do you think do you think it raises any red flags. As far as you know maybe vince ends having a little bit more of a hand to it didn't tell you this man vincent man. Don't give a shit about a e w okay ms mcmahon is a billionaire and he's. He's like getting ready to start to x._s._l. The a._w._s. probably not even on his radar but what is to be alive if you wrestling saying this is the greatest thing that has happened to us since the monday night wars since the attitude era says no. I'm not the biggest fan of what people think the attitude era it. Was you know that's just. I'm not going there but i've ended today man. This is this is huge. This is big for wrestling this big for all of us and it's the start of something great man. I mean it opens the market. It brings them sands from the indies who don't watch t._v. Wrestling to speak to come and enjoy the experience of connects t n e w to to get the feel good feeling of having a remote in your hand and just hitting the last button you know at any given moment to see what's going on. Bat feeling is back like they're not to love about this. I i can't argue that fact at all as far as <hes> the content my only question i think i would say is the real question for awa coming out of all out and heading into t._v. Is are we allow. Russell is a are they read well. That's what i'm getting at you know because when you look at like fighter fest and you look at fight for the fallen there were definitely great matches watches but then the other ones were just kind of like what the fuck but again there are new company so the question is what do you guys think. How do you think think they're gonna fair when they get to weekly t._v. Kev what about you say is going to be a little bumpy. I eventually they go get their strike by the end of the year the eagle okay <music>. I'm not watching this this eagle. You'll have your choice. I'm watch a._w._o._l. N._f._c. so you think people are gonna make that switch and choosing of course because those the eighty three weeks chose here <hes> <hes> let me tell you something about <hes> if you think that the millions and millions upon millions of wrestling fans who don't even know that e w exist it's gonna check it out automo- random wednesday and say fog w._w._e. This is kimberly so go ahead. We see he was a lot of people that don't even watch inexpensive with our that we only watch the main roster so y in c coming through they got to show they never ever seen they go. Pick and choose going to watch them of real. Well you gotta you gotta. Look at it like this. It'd be a production team behind them. That is let's go make eighty. W look like we're like even if you looked at w._w._w. E back in the day the w._b. Have a more live raw. You're you're a fair type of feeling like when the music hits you hear it with great chris claire sales. There's not that weird echoing back. They actually lay the track on on top of the audio. So you hear the music that the commentaries on point the camera angles the the crowd reaction is louder. They enhanced that so you hear eric like w don't things down pack. I don't think from the how how long ago was paper us and how long w w on the blair how long years seven years on home out nitro or w so about seven years so so you're saying about baltin years vince ultra owned by w i don't know man. I don't think i don't think a._w._s. On fences this is radar. I think we as wrestling fan like the so-called <hes> insiders that know the business and watch the indies indies and actually look professional wrestling outside of the w._b._z. We're a small target audience. It's not like w e gets three to four million views every week and that's considered low. That's considered. They're dying three or four million. A week is considered. They're dying versus when impact unpack had their first run against me on a monday and now with their biggest episode with the most viewers one point four million so the question when you was in florida a few weeks ago. Did you stop that please. Did you start with the p._c. Or or the impact zone awesome. I stopped at a stop by ria smash cakes and got some cupcakes me by maria boating and they were delicious. They were the best check her how on facebook and instagram twitter at ria smash case right get you a house. Get you a house. We're finding somebody who own a house here. So what are you guys thoughts on. <hes> w w run in the annex t u k takeover day of of all out in how do you think it's gonna fair. I'm not sure about that. One you know at this point. I i start to get the idea of way. Maybe they're really trying to go e w is not w._w._e. Versus w is really like an x._t. Versus a._w._s. agreeing agreeing to meet that battle is is a better fight because this is a similar style of wrestling stem similar stilo fans and the same target audience data today. You know you're if you if you're looking for the competition. If you're looking for the we're going to me if you're having problems despite inex- t- you're gonna have problems with ron right now. Even bigger problems 'cause runs mcdonald's outdraw out views in every week and the two two. I think the one or two battle they've had really closely number. So of course they're doing it on purpose at this point that i it was kinda like well. Maybe that was a coincidence. Now is is it's obvious you you know that they're trying to compete in x t where they w and like. I say it's a great time to be alive and to see it all come together. I think it's going to be awesome in the fact that we're able to not only be there in attendance you know and be able to bring you. Some this content you know is going to be awesome but for me man the whole oh. It's like tony said to me. There's no mistake at this point like it's clearly they're doing it on purpose worth. I mean like not that anybody. Have you ever thought they weren't in the first place but <hes> for me man i think to a._w._s. Credit they've said from jump that they weren't trying to the defeat w._w. They said the whole time and they've said even now that they wanna be you know the alternative they wanna be. You know the what's different and that seems to be the same thing that they're echoing now <hes> for me. I think they stay in that lane at school but i think i think a._w._s. Knows they're they're not gonna overtake. Ws a whole and you know it's funny because kevin show what kev is showing me for those of you who are watching on the facebook live and my hat's in my cab showing me a tweet young buck saying that they aren't scared about an exte- come into who <hes> wednesdays. I only got anything to be scared about. I think that no i think <hes> i think what tony said is spot on in that sense and net. I don't think it's anything to be worried about if it's just them verse annexed he. I think that's a fair war and i think that that could do well. I don't i think for anybody that thinks they're going to overtake w._w._e. I mean is it. Just good for fans. Have choices had attorney of light of okay. You don't want for those who still watch impac. Jake has always had an alternative but a lot of times. They was always available vary by the watch right but you've got you said for for those who are still watch impact. I mean impact is king is a lot of people don't watch impact because impact. Does that have a t._v. Town everybody has everybody can get twitched though they could but do they. That's fair but everybody got you too. I mean that too. I mean and they wrestling content on youtube shit. Plus impact is like posting like the old t._n._a. Pave us on dude. That alone is fun to watch salah look. That's that's plural t._v. Show they low impact in killing it. They have dude like their story. Their story lines are one hundred times better in my opinion union. <hes> i love what they're doing with jessica havoc and father james mitchell. I ain't no he was bake. Yeah dude. He's with the it's him and <hes> havoc in. I think sue young's with them should be rosemary so yeah dude. I mean they. They're definitely coming up man. There's there's more people going there brian cage being their world champ and all that man i mean you couldn't really pick much better guy to be. You know your world. Champion got johnny mundo. Oh you got one of those. Oh he left it. Basically they got. They got to underground there. You know you're right though oh 'cause they do bring a lot of guys with triple into so. What do you think about that. Do you think what do you think about partnerships yeah. What do you think about the partnerships that a._w._s. Trying to put together. I mean they've already announced one with <hes> triple a. a. w. n. o._w._i. Dan yeah you know i to me. I think that should smart. I'm surprised ring of honor and n._w._e._a. Already dropped <hes> i to me i think them. Partnering up is the best thing they could do because it's the only chance they got a really making a any type of <unk> against w._w._e. Tony i'm i'm. I'm a fan of the partnership. I've always you know like the cross brand and even when they do it within the themselves themselves with you know <hes> survivor series. You know one of my favorite times where you get to cross brand things back in the nineties when a w._w._f. Went to new japan and all japan pan w._c._w. Did the same thing those are some of the best matches and best times you know four wrestling fans <hes> i wanna personally w e do something with new japan again a ah that'd be dope. You know maybe incorporating the great mood into the hall of fame. You know knowing that he's about to retire. Someone like you know <hes>. I love it. I'm a i'm a big fan of it even if you have those type of promotions where they say you know we're in this town and just twenty miles up the road. This promotion is doing a show so next saturday and they're going to have a showcase match tonight. Come and check out some talent. That kind of stuff is just you know helping hand helping each other goods adopting the more rustling wrestling the better for wrestling fans and you know what's wrong with that. Yes i would love to see that with new japan just because i'm not old enough to be around back when they used. I do like the japan you know. Merge merging shows and stuff like that so i would like to see that <hes>. I don't know that you see that with japan at this point especially ashley now that you've got the whole a._w._o._l. But i mean even at that a._w._s. Not connected with new japan either so i mean i mean new japan still got the thing running on her and i don't know oh if w._b._z.'s like kinda staying away from it because of that or maybe they have a deal where they can't work with other promotions. I don't know the deals of neutrogena ring of honor but new japan is basically the w._w._e. Of the western hemisphere agreed bill you know it's it's it's huge you know it like i said you know vinson's worked with new dependent on japan in the nineties before you know with the hogan vs mood of thing and hogan c. We know mood you know it was it was a dope thing you know. I don't know the terms oughta legal crap. That's preventing gate or what but i would love to see that man. You know there's a lot of dream masses that could happen with you know the versus new japan. Ah talking about ring von herman <hes> stay tuned. You could be seeing some ring of honor stuff coming real soon next week. We've got ring of honor coming coming here to dearborn <hes> what are your thoughts on ring of honor lately man <hes> the home media shane taylor is <hes> make the impact told me your man. He's being killing. If you haven't been watching the the same taylor show and the the cleveland browns round beatdown himself <hes> the cleveland browns beatdown judge just made that up right now com. I'll be right aren't they. Made it up just now and you probably as it but <hes> i'll be seeing him next friday man <hes> he didn't he didn't go well. We we can scrap then we can fight. You know whatever you know but menam astronaut the same taylor man <hes> saint sewed mad. Love your show guest of our show. He came john <hes> two or three times you know before him and asked champ you know he's been holding onto that making it something good having great matches with it as much as people talk doc online about him when you see them in person you know this is a different story. He's a bad as you ever seen but <hes> it's getting to be about that time. They're telling us we gotta go home. Tony let them know komo day. It's randy tony thunder everywhere facebook twitter instagram. 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You Can't Kill Hardcore Superstar

Talk Is Jericho

1:07:50 hr | 2 years ago

You Can't Kill Hardcore Superstar

"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Dog recall. Ricco. All right. Welcome to talk is Jericho in his the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And it's time to rock with a band love by lemme and Ronnie James, DIO and fuzzy and who are carrying the flag for straight ahead. Good time rock and roll Finland's own hardcore superstar on the show. Today. They got a brand new l. out called, you can't kill my rock and roll and you'll find out the significance of that title coming up the new video as well for the title track. You can't kill rock and roll. You go check that out now on YouTube and they get a tour starting tomorrow. Thursday, the twenty seventh in Finland, and they may be headed for states early next year. You can pick up their new album and get info on the tour on Instagram account, fall them at hardcore superstar fischel they, they're hilarious guys, man singer, lucky UK, Burg and drummer Magnus Atty Andrea Senator l. some crazy stories. I love UK's. Great and not as well about drinking with lemme sharing addressing with Brian Johnson of ACDC opening for motley Crue and fulfilling a last request from Ron. James deal. They also explain how MTV help them learn to speak English. Why they ended up in a fistfight with a Swedish journalist at the Swedish embassy in New York City and who came up with the hardcore superstar bar that they roll on stage at every concert. I was the bartender once it's rock and roll debauchery with some of the nicest guys in the biz we're talking to hardcore superstar coming up. But first speaking of rock-n-roll debauchery, only a few nights left on the Fauzi. Judas rising tour here in the United States. Succumb come rock with us. If you're in Florida before we shut it down and move over to the cruise, which will be next to be a lot more so's coming up. This will be the last show basically in the states for awhile besides Camden, New Jersey on October Sixers, we'll talk about we're at the house of blues in lake one Avista tomorrow night, which is going to be the biggest show in Fosse's North American touring history, and maybe even the biggest show worldwide. So we will see come set us a help us set the record tomorrow night in a lake. One of his to Florida, basically Orlando house of blues. Then Friday night, we do our show at the orpheum in. Tampa, Florida hometown show for me, and then we wrap it all up on the twenty ninth Saturday Fort Lauderdale at the culture room. And then we're doing the rocket legion show main stage in Camden, New Jersey. Next Saturday, October six. Then we go on the Jericho cruise Christiane because rocking rusty razors see headline by Fosse October twenty seven to the thirty first. And then we rock it on down to Austrailia, New Zealand, Auckland, November seventh, at the studio, November ninth by birthday and Melbourne at max watts, November tenth Sydney at manning bar, November thirteenth, Adelaide at the governor and November fourteenth Brisbane at the triffid. And then the last bit of the Judas rising tour is in Canada. We started off with three days grace in Moncton on the twenty-first, November Halifax, the twenty-third, Quebec City twenty-fourth twenty the Montreal. Then we do the twenty six armed prior. That was almost sold out twenty seven. We had to London Ontario eight is Toronto Ontario. Thirtieth is in Thunder Bay. December. I in Winnipeg at the Burton Cummings theatre summer second. Regina December. Third. Starlet room at Evanston, and then we end it all off of the gateway and Calgary, that is the end of the Judas rising tour and we go back to the studio, then fuzzy rock dot com with all the ticket info including how to buy tickets for Fosse's, legendary VIP in Greece. One of the best, the business we play many constant for you. We take picks we sized before you hang out with you. It's one of the best memories and experiences you're ever going to have. So come check it out, fuzzy rock dot com for all information on tickets and VIP information and stay here on talk is Jericho for all information. Hardcore superstar with add a and UK right here on talk is Jericho crank it up. We got bad as plugged into the wall. That's thing. When you come overseas in, they do all these countries and you have to have the right adapter. One has to be for England and Italy, and then I just lose everything anyway, so but we have it set up here with hardcore superstar with Abby and UK, and we're up in the front lounge of the Fauzi bus. Nice buff. Nice boss, right? Yeah. I quote here for us. I do those as one of our. It makes such a big difference when you go on a tour and you have a nice bus or bus, that's kind of so. So yeah, it kind of affects your attitude right off the bat, right? Yeah, it's like Addison said Morrison designed hours. Yeah. Jim Morrison designers. It was used in that seventies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you said that you use this bus quite often though? Yeah, yeah. Back in Sweden. We do like festivals to save as much money as we just go with the crap Morrison. Right, so, but this bus came from Sweden. So when you guys to our Europe, did you all meet up in Gothenburg and get on the bus and drive? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So how long did it take for you to drive down to England took like a twenty four hour hours? Yeah. Wow. So this is just something that you do all the time? Yeah. Because you've been touring for how many years have you been playing next year? We have a twentieth anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be twenty twenty years on road. Wow. On the road dogs. But that's amazing because hardcore superstar for me. And the first time I've ever met was when we started this tours, a band that always heard of, but never seen. And I told you, James Durbin, who is a good friend of mine was always talking. I'd love hardcore superstar that the best band in my favorite band. And so when this opportunity came up as a cost, James Durbin banned, but then you come over here to Europe. You guys have much more of a name than you do in the United States. Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean. Women to the states, but it was like thousand four? Yeah, we got. We got in a fight at the Swedish embassy with a Swedish journalist. I, i'm. The funny thing is that we will go into play CBGB's today after and the Swedish government paid us for about to have a bodyguard, and it was ace Frailes old bodyguard really tall guy. Yeah, the sweet Valley. I think his name was maybe something like that. Yeah. Well. Yeah, they're much into jaws that movie. Yeah, he came to see us like last year we played them poughkeepsie vow. Yeah. Do there. Just to get paid by the Swedish government to be protected by from this Swiss journalist, because would you need to do this because we were there on something called the Swedish expo. Yeah, you try to bring in some switch music into this culture? Yeah, yeah, stuff like. So you guys came to New York for that? Yeah, and Austin, Texas. Okay. And LA. So how did you get into a fight? He? We were Swedish embassy and he told me he was drunk. This will journalist, and he told me all bands in here are crap. Why bring you guys? You suck and he was begging for it. You know, did you smack him? You smacked him up. We went. It was actually headlines the day after Sweden really wild fight that the Swedish embassy in New York. I was I was standing in the big the the big room, and I did an interview with the CNN and I was kind of nervous because the biggest news American CNN. Right. Yeah. And and the reporter was like, how about what do you think about America? Like an all of a sudden, I had the glasses break. And the cameraman will like where were well trained just turned around and ran, and I was standing there. To go see your drummer beating up a Swedish journalist, right? But there's a, there's a big tradition of Swedish rock and roll bands, and even now there's a big scene in Sweden of bans like hardcore superstar and heat and crash diet in a big scene of kind of, I don't think that you guys aren't glam much more like Hanoi rocks combined with early motley Crue combined with early guns and roses, but there's more of like almost a glam type seen happening in Sweden as well. Right? It's moral. I talked to your urine list today, and he said that Sweden has become like. Like a small LA. Yeah. And he asked me, what do you think? Why do you think it's it's? It's that way. And I said like, I might maybe something in the water supply. So I don't know. Yeah, it's weird. I know like for for growing up in Canada where it's very cold for some reason, it's it's Detroit is that's a very rock and roll area for for the prairies of Winnipeg, Manitoba. If you go to the United States with Detroit kind of the mid west Chicago Sweden to, I don't know, maybe cold weather breeds rock and roll attitude or something along those lines. Nothing better to do. Yeah, right, right. When you guys started, was there some Swedish bands that that you looked up to or did you look up to American bands instead? What got us started was like the whole LA scene. Like let's say the thrash into sleaze. Music's like the only thing that really inspired us from the beginning, but along the way, a lot of good bands came out of Sweden that was looked at the gates. These are all friends of ours, like hamming full in flames, and it's called the Gothenburg's south sound right? Yeah. Explain what that is. It's really not a sound anymore because it's so widen, I, it's, you know how people like to just put everything into one box. Yeah, but you can be a Gothenburg sound band and you can still play music like hammer full or like at the gates or to haunted or doctrine quilty all not really sound the same, but right. Put into the Gothenburg Sasha from Sweden, right? Yeah, exactly. But you look at those those vans you mentioned because there's a kind of a big, the famous Swedish, death metal scene. But then also I just was realizing how big Europe is over here. The band in England, they're playing the o two arena that's eighteen thousand people. That's a big resurgence for them as well. You know, from final count on up to now they had a break for a couple of years. Something fun came back and they settle Bush. Shivers Bush empire. Yeah, like four thousand people who I mean, that's good, huge for being away for like ten years something. And what's the end having not a lot of steam in the United States. Really. It's more of just a pure European thing. So what countries are big biggest for. You guys, we're in Italy now, and the last couple of nights have just been crazy hardcore superstar fans. I'd say, Scandinavia, like Finland, Sweden, and of course, England Italy. And yeah, like mostly Europe 'em, of course, Japan. Oh yeah. And it's always going to be Japan. They liked the rockers over there. Yeah, yeah. Guys with your vibe. Your sound right talking about that earlier mean Chris, that I won't be cool to do a tour together, which fussy in Japan, Australia. Absolutely. It's great because our two bands of the same vibe. I mean the music. There's, there's there's area where it's the same and then there's a little bit of difference. But the vibe of just having a good time on stage like a couple of nights. I was the bartender, your hardcore super bar, which is a great idea. Explain that I did get a why put a tip jar up? Yeah, I think you're magic gave me a five or so. That was good. Put explain where that idea came from, explain what it is exactly that you do? I think it came from my drum tech because he he likes to have. He has like a little shop back home in Gothenburg and he likes to go welding and stuff like that. And we would just joking about it. Like we have this song collapsed cold for alcohol, and he said one night, wouldn't it be cool if you just had like if. The soup, the bar or hardcore super bar, and I just roll it out on stage and we have take shots of Yeager. Yeah. If you can build that, we will definitely bring it on up on stage right. And like it took like four or five days since like send us pictures. Let's go on the road now, but it's a great idea and you actually bring people up from the crowd and have the have drinks on stage with you. Is that ever lead to some crazy moments with people on stage? Sometimes they're more people on stage than all states because we just rushed the stage. The security guards are like. Do you have to worry about people like knocking over your gear having too much fun? Yeah. I mean, that's to me would be the scariest thing. You know, backing, you have no drumsticks, you know? Yeah. Okay. I got a, can I have. I have to tell the audience like can have my drums. If you're lucky. Oh yeah, it's almost the steel panther thing where they do that on stage. That's kind of the vibe there, but there's some nights you can't use the bar because the stages are smaller than you can't fit on there. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you talking about all the terrain that you've done. Let's talk about some of the bands toured with, and we've told some stories, but I want to pretend that we haven't told them. So who are some of your favorite bands tour of some of the biggest issue with over the years, we're, we're open up for Aerosmith ACDC and motley. Crue Metallica kiss kiss. Yeah. Yeah, that's a big. Did you ever any interaction with those bands? Yeah, we had. I remember when we played son is fair together with Metallica, and of course they were the headline I was sitting in the catering, the big Jewish tent. I was sitting there all alone on her why? But like, okay, I grabbed a beer and my food and I've sat down watching my phone as we do these days and. Sitting there and all of a sudden I heard this voice that I recognize that cannot sit here and I looked up. It was gem-set Phil. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do the fan or now he's like, you're friendly like down. We talked, you know, and he told me stuff that the drunk drink anymore and you know, and good for you because you don't need anymore. You're. Yeah, he told me that he moved back to San Francisco and to this gated community and everyone wonder, what is this? Who's this guy? Yeah, and it with a Holly Sindhu Huck rods. And it was like Microsoft people living there, and then they had like a barbecue gathering. And then everyone noticed that he was Trump's head filled with everyone is a fan. Of course, of course. Of course, then when you had the beer was he was he like. Yeah, he said that. That's good. Yeah, I remember. I was like, oh, why did I say that? But. But you can't drink that anymore. Also, we got a mentioned, the biggest of them all, I think for us is going to be a CDC. Yeah. And what happened was that we, we opened up for them in Italy here in Italy in touring at Juventus home arena, started yelp here. Nine hundred thousand nine thousand. Where was that? You've been touring heroic events us home arena, and. They said they said that they wanted to get together and meet us before the show which is kind of they'd never do very private. We, yeah, we laid it found out that Brian Johnston's mother and her cinder. Yes, Mr and reading some relatives. They were also there so they won't like a room where they could get together and they asked, can we come into you. You dressing room. So suddenly all of the guys, all of the guys from a CDC came into our dressing room. Phil Rudd, Malcolm Angus, Brian. I remember Brian asked me who's season there smoking pot with his wife's. Do you want some now? I don't. I don't do drugs in asked me like ten times, no one any go away Brian. They were so cool as and and we just happened to have a guy from the Swedish newspaper with us a who could can like take photos and stuff like that. And the day after again was like when you fold up the entertainment section into papers here they are Swedish heroes with the with their heroes. That's killer. Man. We took like I took a photo with Phil Rodman and the Thomas who's played guitar back. Then he took with Angus and Malcolm with Brian forced me to smoke pot. Now. He's shoved it in your mouth and sit and smoke eat it. I've realized over the last four or five years that ACDC is the greatest rock and roll band of all time. I mean, you always know the good, but they to me are the best like the, you know, the groove, the attitude, the vibe, the machine on stage. 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So wiz richest. They're listening subscribe at apple podcast and Google play. When you guys for started, who is the band's at that? You like the best. I remember when I was nine Christmas and I. Was waiting for my presence Kristie president in the in the morning. I got kiss destroyer, and then I got shouted a devil. And I remember walking down to my mom and it said, open up the final and showed mom, this is what I'm going to be when I'm old older and she's at, yeah. That's all right. That's your head. Yeah. Many years after we so loud, three thousand cap in Gothenburg by mom was there, and it's like so many years off this Christmas, and she came up to me said now understand what you meant when you were nine years old and mizzen. That's so cool. That's very cool. Yeah. Yeah. When me and you'll give we were like just teenagers and there was this huge thing. Head rings ball, biggest ball. Yeah. And the UK version with Vanessa Warwick. On summer we would get together because it was always late at night. We get together and that was a great time because we had this least bans. But we also had a great pound and we never really understood why that was. We understood it. But we always like both stars we, we thought that both sties they have a little bit of street in them like some they have looked some ACDC in them and also got some kiss delta guestbook. They have all ingredients right on Maidan. That's so and we were skateboarding as well. We know suicidal tendencies and bass like that. And people tell us that today. When I listen to music is it's, it sounds like slayer or playing motley. Crue song. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because we kinda grew up with both style. It's funny because the one we had is if journey and Metallica had a bastard child, it would sound like fuzzy. That's good. Yeah, I'll take it right. But if you're saying if slayers playing them all the crucial, and that's a great analogy too, because you do have that for lack of better term l. a. swagger, but it's it's thirty and heavy and thrash yet parts. But like I said, the the attitude is, well to me is, is is the best part I know you could see that. Yeah. When you started out was, was there a big scene in in Sweden at the time? Yeah, we'll sexually. You always had the pump pop jobs, but but harder was pretty big in Sweden has always always been right in all styles, right. Martin are brace pays from different part of Gothenburg, but he always joking because he's, he never got into document those bans and me. And we came from the same part and we love darken and rats. He's more Jovi. And we always tell him what's the difference pretty similar. Right. And Bunge Lovie doc in his more raw data? Yeah. Tell Martin in our part of Gothenburg docking and rat, they sold gold. Yeah. The village. It's funny because now doc and has a Swedish guitar player. Right? Is John norms or play? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. When when you think about that, it's fun. You guys actually grew up together in high school and here you're all these years later. When did you did you? Did you start playing parents basement or what did you do know actually? Yeah. You you're. He's older than me a need just our years. Away. Run into music. He had a band called raven Lord. Game of thrones and I was not into music yet. I was way into skateboarding, but they did the demo and I listened to the demo and I will. I was sure that someone else had recorded it because how can you actually play a beat to get? How can you sing in tune. It was so good and the only fourteen years old and yolk, you told me at a, you can look like a drama. Maybe you should have a goal out if I'm right there and then you're actually like convinced me stud. You had you had an old drum kit Shapiro. Yeah, yeah, Shapiro. And you got that set together and you start rehearsing in your father's garage. Yeah. So you ready for say it's funny because in our band, Franken, rich went to high school together and they've known each other since they were teenagers. Cool. It's just interesting to me that here you are still together. Yeah. Right then that we had like you had a band called dorien gray. That's good. And I had a band called glamorous. Lamb lamb boy, glamorously glamorous memory, and you switch your name later on and you call yourself gang bang, boys. Yeah, and we showed this we had we had. We showed we didn't tell that to what do you call that Jay? Not the daycare center. The guidance counselors. The youth counselor pastor? Yeah. When you when you were like fifteen, you go to and you play ping pong, you center. Yeah, thanks and we had a show and when you that is going to be packed two hundred and fifty people. We, we had like monetary monitors on stage and our name was. Gangnam boys. And we didn't tell, you know. The staff that we showed porn off and we have the American flag as the backdrop. Porn porn and when full Tara twenty four carrots. Yeah. Wonderful. Carrot. I think it was Pete Silveira and pizza north and. Yeah. What is the girls? Who cares what the guys. Was that staff were standing, you know, in the front like security guards and the kids know sixty years old swing. Can the course we're like, why are they so happy. The gang monitors. It's so funny. The first porno ever saw my friend. His name was Dan on. It was Swedish erotic. That was the name of the series. And so I was always taught that in Sweden, all the chicks are blonde and hot, and they love to have sex. Is that true? Swedish erotic Swedish erotic. Yeah, but that's so closet. Gang bang, boys. Yeah. We're world. Again. We think that our thought that that was a great band name. If you came out swinging is right, but it was taken from another band. Yeah. Oh, really? It was from Sweden? Yeah. Okay, Gotcha. Actually, the guy he runs a really cool club in Gothenburg nowadays, sticky fingers, and he actually he's been writing songs for Motorhead. Yeah, civil war more. Yeah, and but he had a band called Swedish rock. What would make you d and all. But that's another famous Sweden, Mickey d played for Motorhead for many years. We know him. Now he's in the scriptures, you guys toured with Motorhead, didn't you? Yeah, we did longtime ago. Eleni Lana shows Lami lemme. Got me drunk. Tell a story. It's great. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's was a day off and actually I was so hangover was like all I wanna sleep. Mom come again. All of a sudden my my tormented. Sure. At that time our toward managed at that time. Your money tapped wake up, lemme store ministers here. He wants you to come to his LA Beck lounge in his buzz. What. Okay. I'm just gonna get dressed, and he opened the door like a proper gentleman as as has. He wasn't. What do you want something to drink, whatever you have, which king coconuts. So we poured up like a bear glass. We'd like seventy percent whiskey, thirty percent of coke. And I was just staring at this class like this is like mayday. So. Haven't had breakfast yet south sitting there and he was talking. We talked about everything. He talks with me about his reading aloud that already knew, but I was thinking this ill. And I can, you know, and that led you. But after after a while he asked me, this is fun, of course, and he called me joke. Now you is actually spelled j. o. CK he, yes, joke Joe. He probably saw your name on the list. You pronounce it. And is that do like music? Yeah. It's kind of why we're here. So you recruited some country into. Also recruited some rockabilly albums. Do you want to listen to it? Yeah. Why not? Imagine sitting there with the whisky the big whiskey and listen to lemme singing country songs. Now. I remember I took and he stopped after it was ten songs he stopped after every song and then like you. Awesome. And I was just pouring whiskey down sounded so no. But he he was so an all of a sudden he, he's because we were sitting there and I was there for four and a half hours and but sometimes he just stopped talking to me in this looked out the window and I was like. What to do now. And then he said, oh, you took his west up and he took like bags of cocaine bags of speed and put it on the table and was like, hey, what's going to happen now? So he took the cocaine through it been toasted? Yeah. Give it to him or something. Yeah. Then he opened up the speed and tempests teeth bone on just aided. He's like, joke. Do you want some joke. No. No, I don't do drugs. Good for you for me. I think I drank like two baths of that whiskey and then I remember Ciro. Yeah. No, yeah. I remember he said that some I think yoga's enough. You had enough carrying me out because I, yeah. Yeah, pass. That's the classic lemme experience. Yup, lament. He was so nice. We did a lot of shows with them and they were always taking care of us and being nice and you know how it is. Sometimes when you go as a opening act, their crew did not know that we were friends with Mickey's. So they treated there after being kind of pushed right we and then they saw like, oh shit. These guys are actually friends with Mickey and Ryan. I come from the same set. They sorta treat us like kings, but lemme was always nice. Always, always a gentleman, always very, like asking for us. How are you guys doing? All your fine. A cool, very nice person. I think he's been there with. Yeah, exactly. Good point. And with Lenny's experience it, his his character. I think people might not assume that, but it total gentlemen, very educated, very funny rate sense of humor, very respectful towards you. Women everything. Yeah, it was. It was. It was a good guy. Guy and a great sense of humor. Yes, and it was. He was the one of the biggest collector of the second World War. Yeah, I. His house that time when he was did my podcast, we smoked cigarettes. I haven't smoked cigarettes in twenty years. But when lemme ask you, if you want a cigarette in his house, you have one, we drank vodka because he wasn't allowed to drink whiskey anymore. And I was like your your liver knows the difference limb. But then after we finished, he showed me all the stuff and he was going through every detail description about every flag in every you know, every badge and it's like after about ten minutes, I don't know what he's talking about. I I gotta get out of here, but of course those are another hour and a half. He had like Hitler's cutlery Hitler's. And Eva bronze cigarette lighter. How do you get this stuff? People gave it to me, people gave it to you like this is like this Hitler's fork and knife, ten million dollars. Yeah, you know with that was that was him when you're talking about Sweden, and there was actually funny. I just remember this. The Mickey d who always has something in his upper lip. Yeah, go back to the did a tour a few years ago with Benkhaled sister from Sweden, and the tour go out to the club and he says, do what would you like some chewing tobacco and saved the? I'll have some as that you tobacco. When I was a kid, you know, put in my mouth ten minutes later. I'm dizzy sweating. I had to call my guy that take me out of the club onto the bus, and I passed out for four hours covering his, what did they give me? And that's when I found out about Swedish chewing tobacco. Tell tell us about it. It's good. It's too strong. It's it's actually. Fi could turn back time. Could turn back. When did you stop? Start doing that? Now was thirty thirteen fourteen hundred. Thirteen thirteen one three. Yeah. So I've been doing this for thirty years but it's called snooze news yet but like it's super strong. Yeah, it has to even know notice. Yeah. I know the people puke when they're that was yeah. Yeah, but I'd have to do that. So I thought maybe it's something for me. But it's it's, it's a, I tried to. I was off it for like two years, but when I decided to stop, I was like two three weeks for the tobacco to go out of his system. And I was like, I remember one night that was like laying in my bed and. Almost like, you know, the bowl, you got between your chest, it's like, yeah, solar plexus. Yeah, and just turned and it was like pouring water, sweat, sweating. EMMY nines, adrenaline drink weird names. James. It was awful known. Says the same as kicking heroin. Oh yeah. It's the same, but you don't give the fever and you don't Pook when he got off, but you sweating all the time. You're in a bad mood and dislike? No, it's not, but it makes you high like that's what I was laughing. The first thing I was thinking because I looked it up the next day. 'cause I thought, did they put some PCP in here, but they're nice guys. They didn't think they were trying to drug me, but just reading about how strong it is, nothing on those Mickey d with that, he's constantly got it. His house be constantly high stuff. We don't get high on. It is normal for you now it's normal. Yeah. And the first thing I think about in the morning when I wake up, whereas musters. Oh, so do is you put some in there and for the whole day, or do you have to replace it during the day? One candidate. Wow. Yeah, I wasn't doors by big factories. Weeden. Swish mad. Oh, yeah, years. Snooze is such a rich tradition in Sweden, or I'm pretty sure that if you advertise snooze for first time today, it would be classified as drugs. Oh, yeah. Of the history right? They they, we can that. We actually can do actually built a Swedish match has built big factory in Kentucky. You factory and what's the Americans are getting sued that this doesn't may give you. Cancer doesn't now they couldn't prove it. So what is it called? This is Knox Knox? Yeah, it's, you have to general a lot of different. But the first night that will the tour. You gave me a gift of a thing of not heard the story. How'd you hear it again for the Sabbath sabotage. Yeah. Told me. I'm kind of I'm like neighbors with. I'm gonna take one, do it, please. He's doing drugs in class and you drank a beer too. But he just told me the drummer Hannes from sabotage. He told me he ran into at this some at the metal hammer awards. Yeah, they're playing and I was, I was hosting and he told me they said they said, hey, going on tour with their friends, aren't car superstar the great guys as. Oh, that's great. That's good to hear. But then I told him the story and then he passed it along the you guys. So he told me like, don't offer him snooze because he doesn't like it. It doesn't appreciate, okay, let's not them. Well, I respect it because it killed me drink a bottle of Greg use and not be a problem with that. Got me bad. Yeah, that was that was the thing. Yeah, that was that was the thing. But you were talking about this earlier? UK is you guys don't really party as much as I was expecting when I saw your pictures when we're going out the other, I'm even looking at, you know, our little thing here streaming and you know, lots of kind of looking like these guys look like the rocker guys, but does not a lot of, I don't think I've ever seen. Maybe you drink a beer or two, but. Yeah, but we used to be wild men. You know. And you can do it for, let's say a week, and then you're gonna feel like shit for the rest of the tour. Just not worth it any more. Like I, I wrote much rather be sipping on brew all the time, but that crazy, let's do shots. And we did that for like ten ten years yet. Yes, heavily, but thing that you lose when you do that is interested in music waking up hungover. Don't wanna play. Yeah, you appreciate music. You stop. You stop appreciating your performance that's only because of the alcohol. It is. So I understand why people, you know, taking speed and stuff because they drink too much, but you get you get a, we don't wanna go there. Yeah, it kills your hobby. Like kills him. You say you're passionate? Yeah, definitely. In in the long run a great point. And I think sometimes you do that because he think you have to. That's a rock and roll bands doing, especially when you're younger same in wrestling as well. It's like, well, let's go and get crazy because that's what you do. Right. It's like you go, you go out and see good live bands today and like. Let's say the whole, which they are great live that they don't do anything just like they don't do anything. I'm when they go out every night. And I do like two hundred shows year, like every night, their own spot that is killer. Did just kill sit just so good. And in my book, they are very much hard core rock Mellon that because they deliver, they do it. It delivers the good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what rock and roll is about after the show is fist in your face. How how many, how many shows do you guys do a year? You tour every year? Yeah, it's kind of the way you make money now. Right? Yeah, you know the, I think we're around like. Goodyear hundred shows. Yeah. He's just to do more, but we remember the firt will release the first album vaccination. Pinnacle outta we did two hundred and forty show seem on the year while. And we'll wear though, if is your first album just on Europe completely, or if we went to Canada and Japan and Canada's Toronto, we did London. Yeah. What's the name of the club in London now. Only. Now you just told me. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Toronto. Those London thrown the bovines visit. Now, finally, the cow. Remember in London Ontario, we went into this strip club where hell sane does owned, and we're ordered hamburgers and we'll see them. They're like along the capped walk. And I was like, what the smells fishy here. Hamburger was. He was at look up pussy. Like a couple of years just away from UPN. The bovine sex club. What was the biggest differences for you guys when you came to America, Canada. Canada, I have to say felt very much like it didn't feel like America felt more like Sweden, like Pete that were very down to earth, and I'm not saying American difference though really is very, it was very cereal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because talking with you guys at end, I don't know a lot of Swedes, but but it with just with you guys. It's the same type of attitude as Canadians have. Like I said, you come from this very cold area but makes you friendlier may be still a little tough and you'd like to have some drinks, but very nice, nicer to people. Maybe we have so much in common Gada because the landscapes and we have the moose. Yeah, yeah. And you're good at winter sports. Don't tell the German. They love it. Well, that's the thing. Like I said in Winnipeg it was the first hockey team to bring in Swedes in the seventies with all Nielsen Anders Hedberg and LARs Erik Shuba. And then Thomas Steen Demosthenes. Did you guys grow up as pocket fans? Big part of the culture now seems like it is our base play. He was actually one of the. They have this tore in in in Sweden every year, and it's televised or you knock up to seventeen years old. I was called a TV puck. The TV pock its juniors and the he was actually in there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So before rock and roll take, took him. Get lost. You guys will speak very good English to thank fine notice. Is that something that you guys learned in school or how listening to albums. Listen to monthly crew all see when we would understand him. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, because he slurs. But I mean, seriously, if you go to other countries in Europe, like in Italy, it's broken Germany's broken. You'll have some people in Germany, speak perfect, but all you guys seem to speak very well. So is it something that the school system's very important? Yeah, I think it's that. And of course that we, we watched a lot of American moten movies and. A lot of MTV when he got big in the ninety cents, Sweden verb, begin nine in the nineties. So we would sit and watch MTV all day in practice and buying Karang magazine and buying all these magazines you, you could always go to this non this behind Sheraton hotel. Yeah, express though pressed up, press stop. We go. There. Only story could get alerts forum as a foreign magazines magazines. So sexually rumors that rob hall for us to go there when they came to swear because he could find all for all really. So he was actually spotted in that the store. It's so funny though how we all grow up the same because in Winnipeg was the same. There was one place it was called, oh, Calcutta. It was like a head shop like this. Oh, like bombs and stuff was the Indian, but they had you could find aren't shock magazine and crying magazine used costs like ten bucks. Which you didn't have at the time, but at least you could try and look through it with the plastic thing over would be like, you know what I mean? I used to go through those magazines over and over and over again. Get the pictures like, hey, we have faint no more. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine like law. The real thing like, oh, we have king dime on this tour. I used to go over and over. You remember that talking about? Let me before. You know the magazine, math method, man, ledge I went to press and I bought that and lemme was in it. There's a big feature with him and. He said, do you have any favorite bands nowadays? Hardcore superstar almost like we made it. Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Death combined with the DC tour in Europe and that combined with Phil Campbell using a hardcore soups of sticker on eight every show we use that and it was visible would see it. So we, we got a pretty good start because people say that open up for motorise very hard, very hard, but they took to us and I think they saw something like role. Well, there's, there's a similarity there. Even the style of music is still the Motorhead type five. And then plus if lemme is giving you the thumbs up. Yeah, it goes a long way. Yeah. I mean, he's he seemed to do that. All I did did that with even with twisted sister back in the day, come on stage. These guys are good. Listen to my friends in. I must be cool fuel. Just read it the magazine. And I remember when you met deal made you cry. Oh, what happens? All tell the story. We're, we were recording our second album and we took a night off to go and see most of millennium Merlo. It was rats opening round opening. Okay, listen, vocal, vocals. Ya. Yeah, and it was cool over the Deel ended. And you ended in we were in the locker room and was bigly and it was screen singer. John karate on crow. Yeah. And d- you grabbed me like, hey, sit down, you wanna beer. And he was like this, you know, I hear. I heard you first album, and I think you're really good singer. Melton I was shaking. And you know what, you know what I want us to do when I'm gone. You gotta take my hurts and keep it in the flag of the flag. Now, I was like, I started to cry and the other guys that were laughing in like, come on with Pusey what you crying for and Mickey d and you're crabby. They saved me. We know when he's going to right now with that, you really looked York. You're deep in the eye. You carry the torch now you carry on after I'm gone. You gotta do this to get wound. Yeah. What's so good. Was. That's Utah. And the funny thing is that we, when he passed away. May rest in peace. Me and Ida and Buren pulling flames and PD from inflames and stiffer Sweden to so many bands. And the keyboard player from emigrant emigre. We did tribute band. Yeah, we did this stargazer store geeze. These star teaser. Did one night into city and rock roll shield. Rin. Nice. Of course. Stargazer. Always been a, yeah, drum intro. Oh, it's amazing. And we did this Sweden rock boats crews. And it's so silly to say this, but I felt him, yeah. When I was up on states, you know, I couldn't my horns your straits like like he does some stay and I felt him why. Then off the show. The singer and gets all player making lock fell from obits came. Oh, yeah, he's great. He's awesome came. It came to me and he said, like. How did you do that? You sang like a God. Oh, you think so? Quite seriously. Yeah, because we didn't want to screw it up and and to do a thing like stargazer that song you had to, you have to nail it. You have to really are all practice. So we, I think we got together with the inflames guys for maybe five or six times. Yeah, just nailing nailing our after hours. You play other stuff besides deal or is it just was it just DO stuff now a rainbow and, and indeed all deal. Yeah. Oh, so how I just was funny. We were just in the bus last night, listening to DO and some rainbow stuff, and I played. Did you hear the metallic medley that they did rainbow rising. I'm. They did. There was a tribute album that came out a few years ago called, this is your life. Okay. Had like anthrax did neon nights and hailstorm did straight is straight from her, but Metallica did a medley called rainbow rising and its or something like that. And it's ten minutes of tarot woman light in the dark, kill the king and stargazer. A medley of it. It's really good, but we were just listening to that last night right here at school. What were your experiences when you went out with motley. Crue was. Did you have some fun with them or are they? Yeah, we, we started in Bergen Norway with them and to be honest with you at first they were kinda shy. Never like you said about us like I thought that would be party. I'm here and not anymore. Kinda thought that about them and turned out that they were basically just people, you know, nice guys, nice guys, especially Nikki. Super cool felt like he was in our dressing room. Oh yeah. You might have been when you see the story of motley Crue they don't like probably like you guys better. Yeah, yeah. But the vibe is there. Like I said, I get a real kind of early motley Crue vibe in a good way from some of the stuff that you play, some stuff that you cool. You know, let's talk about you guys about ready to to do record record out. This is how many records for you now. Seven. Maybe the ten for nine, four again. So funny, I could go ask a fan, they'll tell him exactly. For sure which is right. Someone asked me the day. Can you play end of days some with I, I don't even know remember how goes. A couple of bars for me. I remember so, but, but it's ten thousand eleven thousand, whatever it may be. So when you put out a record nowadays, I mean, it's changed a lot from when you're first record came out, which was two thousand two thousand two thousand. That's when our first record came out. Yeah, it's a whole different world now. Yeah, yeah. How do you feel about how things have changed? Some things are better, of course, and something's not. Yeah. The the Konami was better actually a couple years ago for us. But now you get a like progress, you're not meal. You get like. How things evolve you gotta go with you either like it or you don't. And I've come to realize that it's maybe it's a good thing after all. We might lose some money, but I think in the long run, it's it's a good development as far as as what way like Spotify and it's I don't know in America but isn't huge. Same thing in your you too. I used to be against it myself. I go out and buy my vinyls and you always looking for vying go looking for that. You have an app that shows you stores stores. That's pretty cool. At the same time, there's so many bands that I can't find, you know. And if I want to listen to this heavy metal band from Czech Republic, they're not gonna be in a store in Sweden, and it's going to be hard to order it. Okay. Put it on Spotify them, so at least can listen to it. Right? I can go and support you when you play in Gothenburg. Yeah, so that sense. It's good, but it's as I said, it's both good and bad. Yeah, a. o. kind of almost equated to when I was a kid, I used to listen to the radio station with a cassette in the in the in the machine. And when the song I heard came on that I wanted to hear I pre record it. It's kind of a modern version of that you music that everyone can hear it and I wasn't paying for those. Albums back then it was the standard by the record orbit. Go see the band or by t shirt. It's kind of the modern version of that. Yeah, and you can go out and you can hunt down your music and it's almost full free, you know? Yeah, yeah. Put us, although touring now. And when you guys, we do the VIP where we play a little show before you guys. I notice are staying after signing at the at the at the booth. I mean, that's kind of how it is for you now. Right? Is that something you do every night? Yeah, we try to try to. If it's a room for our suits. Today? The exactly would he not Richie Blackmore. So wanna see anybody. Right? Exactly. Last night when has night there was this girl came up to me. It's like really cute girl and it was like, and he said, can you sign my boobs? And she. And she. It's like standing there like. Hey, can you sign my book. That's when you sign your name. Really nice. Yeah, j. slow. Yes. No. Is that short for something you k- you walk him, you walk in Newark, came in. Joaquin Phoenix. Yeah. Adding Magnus, Magnus, Magnus Andrius. Okay. So. What about Vick. Dummy mo- more sandwich. Martinovic Bosnia always lead to go from Bosnian. Do you know during the ninety s during the war, civil civil war had to go to Sweden, like a refugee all, wow, they just took their diploma in the middle of the night, the whole family. They just took the photo center diplomas left the apartment and just read said, let's Sweden once again rock and roll man. Yes. Martin is also Hof Slovenian Slovenia from Slovakia, Slovenia Slovenia. Oh, wow. So south part of former Yugoslavia? Yes, the we are the only original Swedish. Just as we start to wind it up, you guys wanna Grammy in Sweden the that is yet to come. Oh, I thought you did nominated for Grammy nominated. Yeah times. Yeah, that's for best rock artist. Who beats you start beat. Does that time mustache? Okay. Familiar with mustachioed expand one time or two times. Time we will scandal mess all. They really deserved that because the been around for such a long time to the heaven had anything yet on it and the they totally deserved it just Benchley. All these bands are so many bands from Sweden that are popular. It's like, how order supplies of CIA? How big is your country? Yeah, eight million people coming to ten now. Ten ten. All right, Vic, his family came. Is that the king. We have a king and the Queen. Yeah, the Queen isn't the king isn't very smart or is he allowed to say that. The good thing about that is that he doesn't make people nervous. He's like it. I think he's a great company guy in on. Yeah, have a drink, and he's a nice guy and we, we are actually known for not starting wars. So to say, who's ever gone to war with Sweden? Yeah. In the World War Two, we stayed out of it while everybody was. Yeah. So we have a history of being cowards. You can see, you can see the rockets. Over Sweden to Finland. Let's not bomb those guys. Now. They're too busy, chewing snooze. They don't care. They don't give a shit. Do you have any plans of trying to do more in the states? Is that something that you still always think about? What does it matter at this point? We did a tour last year with Mike Monroe co headline to all that was really good and. We wanna go back. We're talking about may. We were offered to play because last three times because we played actually the whiskey three times now two years and they were all sold out. Yeah. So they wanna book us for the palladium. Yeah, that's a big room. Yeah. And they wanna Buca book with back your babies. All that's another. Yeah. And we try to just work out because they are recording their album. We're mixing our album guy just need to get like the schedule Reiten, but we have an offer from from them to do palladium but bags. So that's a big place to live there. I used to go to palladium and what's really cool bands like prima so prime minister. The ninety s I just saw 'em got an anthrax. They're a six months ago and it was nice. He's got a or it's a big venue. I'd say I'd say maybe two and change to five. Maybe it's just a big giant hall and that's an LA. Yeah, that's right in Hollywood. Yeah, right. We if we can sell seven hundred, maybe we can sell two thousand. Right. In the miracle? Yeah, miracle do you know what the new record was called yet? I think we're going to call it. Bring the house down. Yeah, we're all we have man guess. This is the, I guess this or you can't kill Mirak enroll, Kim, a rock runes down. That may be good like that. Did you guys just started using that because that's on the back of your merged said, just is that a new catchphrase for you or. Yeah, completely new. It started out as a tribute to AUSSIE going to say that we were talking about that his rocket song meets him diary of a madman. Gregory stuff. Last question for you guys have all the songs that you play on stage. What are your favorite ones? Did you live. The new one have mercy. That's a great summer so means going stuck in my head. Yeah, it's it's under three minutes, like an old house, Cooper songs? Yeah, trying to be catchy in short. Short and Kevin. We did that on this record before we always like, you know, you have to have longer songs. That's what I in Maine does metallica's, but after one doesn't matter, just whatever's best for the song. No. UK with your favorite, what's playing? No, it's the cops. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I liked that song actually. That was. That was as a senior. I mean. Have mercy on me is a good song. I like that wearing much of course bun when you play those, you know, songs that we played before when you see the audience and you get audience with you and the do what I say and thing that's of the law, or we don't celebrate Sundays. That's a great ones. You know, that's the first one when I was just this thing, get stuck out like, wow, that's really cool to it's great because what the point of the turn our, you know, everybody's set even the opening bands. Madame ahead in the last minutes ago, I like this or like that one always hearing getting stuff. So that's been a great tour leave. I always like to have people when they when they speak to leave him to give us a message in Sweden Swedish could be anything you want tell you had for dinner giving can allow. Being on toward for so long, you hate, you need some. So you go back to you wife and. Yeah, we'll my Swedish fans laugh at me for that or. Yeah. Yeah. Can you know LA news, sorta new skull, new sky, the new scurvy hem oak oak. Can you lock it on NewsTalk AM knock you there? Yeah, I don't know what I just said, but I really mean it. Now we're going to go home. And as I say that, I see the news on your front tooth, man. Thanks guys. 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Austin Aries Is Bound For Glory

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Austin Aries Is Bound For Glory

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But before Aries takes on Johnny and back Austin, sitting down right here on TI to talk about his departure from deputy, his return to impact wrestling being the belt collector. And while all of the crossover in the Andes, including of honor impact, new Japan wrestling is a great thing for the business. I agree off has been working a lot in Australia as well and talks about the wrestling scene down under which is burgeoning, and speaking of going down under Fosse is going to help the burgeoning rock scene down under because we're heading there next month right after we do three sets on the upcoming Chris Jericho rock and wrestling raider at c. which is also less than three weeks away and less than twenty five tablets left. We are close. To a sell out, but we're going to be playing Austrailia. We're going to New Zealand for the first time ever November seventh and Auckland at the studio, December ninth Austrailia and Melbourne at max watts birthday December tenth Sydney at the manning. Remember thirteenth run Adelaide at the gov. The fourteenth is Brisbane at the triffid and then the Judas rising tour its candidate for the last leg of the Judas rising tour who with three days grace on November twenty. First in Moncton, twenty-third, Halifax, twenty-fourth in Quebec City twenty-fifth Montreal at for three days grace. They we split off on our own November twenty six armed prior that one's almost sold out at the John street, November twenty seventh London at the London, music hall, December twenty eighth Toronto at the rockpile November. Thirtieth ruined Thunder Bay at crocs December. I were in Winnipeg hometown show at the Bert, Burton Cummings theatre never know December second, we're in Regina at the changes December first, December, third, Edmonton at the Starlight room. And the final show of the Judas rising tour. 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Who am I going to get my doors are going to be seeing punctures are going to be the mysterious Nevado both would be awesome. And speaking of awesome. The man with the bananas, Austin, Aries the impact world champion back on talk is Jericho starting now. All right. So the professionalism of Chris Jericho knows no boundaries as I had Austin Aries meeting here at the fine bubble love, sponge studio in Tampa, Florida and not only was I fifty minutes late, but I forgot my recorder. So we had to barge into Bubba studio to try and do a last minute chatting here. No big deal what it need to record or for both. Yeah, it's a podcast would know recorder, heavy, like right on all cage, pay per view and not bringing your cage who would do that? Wait a minute. Are you on something that happened? Oh, this did happen by never heard that story for please, please fill me in. Oh, that was the old regime of formerly known as TNA, right? They the all cage pay per view in Saint Louis, which is a good place to have all caged papery because you can't believe in Saint Louis and they didn't bring the cage. God, I'm trying to decide. I was always trying to decide if it was worse. If they forgot her, someone made the decision not to bring it like, I don't know which is, but they and they, then they had the crew. They're trying to build a cage and we call it this six sides of string. We were. We were. We were all instructed where we couldn't couldn't stand as we're still in the cage, eat your whole k. your whole pay per view is built around the cage. You don't bring it, and that was the electrified cage match with a believe the the team, three, d and. And so of course, you know, dean has the great. I've been lecture cupid shake, unfortunately guy who was flipping the light switch and had to go into the microphone was just a little bit off on on the timing and so. Yeah. And so that was actually right before my second suspension. And so my suspension basically stemmed off that because that was kind of what was the shoot suspension. Yeah, yeah. And that was actually when I left my my when I left back in what was it? Two thousand seven, eight nine. Whenever second time, second suspension, which then led to me, we'll even going back during honor. What did you get suspended for a bad attitude. Wow. Yeah, I didn't know that a bad attitude. So basically the story is so actually actually then Taylor, this pay per view, which obviously is leaving a bad taste, a lot of people's mouths, and you know the the next day was a travel day. This happened to be actually my birthday weekend, and so we had to travel day Monday. We had television on Tuesday. At this point, the the company decided to inform us Shirley around the holidays that they're no longer going to provide our hotel rooms or transportation. Merry Christmas. And so so for this off day, being my birthday, I cashed in some favors and instead of us all cramming into a. Hotel room like we normally would do as the x division guys? I'm sure stinging Kurt worked crammed into one to when their hotel rooms were pulled from that at Christmas. Exactly. Crotone stinks slept underneath a bed window, but so base it was an off day. I had got this nice time share a big big space. Everybody's got a bad room, get some food and some booze. We're gonna have a nice birthday bash on her day off, you know. And I was like eleven thirty and and Vince Russo often, hey, Austin, he, Alex. We might need you to do some vignettes to Marlboros, so stay by your phones. Okay. And so I'm thinking, I'm going to be nowhere near my phone tomorrow. You know, long story short. They asked me to come and do some in yet on the off day. I asked too many questions. You know how long it was going to take is a reason we couldn't do tomorrow, and I'm there for eight hours. You're just basically it might be paid, which was no will. Then you know, I'm paying all my expenses today, but you want me to come into work, but you don't wanna pay me. How's that work? You know, you didn't even ask your basically tell. So basically I hadn't bad attitude. I didn't just say yes, sir. I said, why sir? And why Sirs sometimes are dubbed as having bad attitudes and are sent home as punishment. And then. Spended for their bad attitude, and then they forced the way out of the promotion and go elsewhere. So did you get actual letter that said you're suspended for having a bad attitude, you know, know you know, like real men. Do they dropped the voicemail when you're in the air? So when you land you can go, okay, see that wouldn't come. And I used to return ravens phone calls when TNA had the live pay per view when I would see him on the paper view, knowing that it's live, I phone hit. You just call them. Call me back when you can see the moment. You come out of the ring. No answer. But that's kind of interesting. And first of all, just before we move forward and this is why I love talking to you. Remember last time we just jumped right in. What do the concept of all cage pay per view? Seemed very strange to me in the fact that a cage matches there because it's one special particular matter how in the hell do you do a whole pay per view of seven cage matches? And if you're not on first, how do you do anything throughout the show? Exactly, right. I mean, it's just, you know, maybe you know, when you say it out loud, it sounds sexy and goal. That'd be great. And then you think about it for it should take maybe less than three seconds, go nuts, a terrible idea, but apparently no one in that room went, I think probably someone said as a joke, not realizing like careful what you joke about in this room because people think you're serious right. That was like the inside out battle Royal. I like someone like just said, oh, why don't we do a better Royal where y'all throw people in the ring. Wait a minute. That's a great idea. No, it's not stop. Were you in that match? Novus. Yeah, I know. I know one hell in the cell just interject with it was held and is always the big match. But then they started doing the home of the cell pay per view where there'd be two or three hell in the cell, and it's like that just kills it. It does because again, like there's only so much you can do in those matches and there's an expectation what those matches are going to have. And and so you know you, you only have so much psychology. You can use those. Yeah. And you're gonna use it up by match three or or the first, you know, handful of matches. They're going to basically disregard the fact they're in a cage and just wrestle it like a normal wrestling match anyway. Right. Usually what happens because you know there's no, there's no real feud or there's no real, you know hatred. You're not going to try to run some guy's head into the steel cage or that you know that's going to be maybe saved for later on the card. So your your early matches, which I probably would've been like in some x division match. We're basically just being kind of, you know, Hanukkah handcuffed had, you know, because now we're trying to do this style wrestling in the cage that has nothing to do right and really no benefit to us because we don't want to take it away from the people later on in the night, then happened to me like I had. All say it's one of the one of my, not classic, but it's a pretty well known hell in the cell which is me versus triple h barbed wire baseball bat on the top. It's very memorable. Sure something that it's one of the matches that I could. Oh yeah, I remember that it was great. And then someone said, oh, he had to hell missiles. I said, no, I didn't. They said yesterday, I said, no. I had triplets I've never had another hell in the south. You would have stuck a gun to my head. I would've said I have never had another elm sell this. Someone show me picture of me in the MS versus David teased and Raman stereo on a hell in the cell pay per view, a random, nothing matched random Helena cell in the cell, right, right. And that's kind of what it would seem with all the lockdowns stuff. But when you're talking about you said the former regime of TNA and now you are, you know, at that time we're recording this, the impact champion with a whole new regime you were here? I don't remember six months year. Ammonia could be five years, but it was right after you left WB a little bit of an open water ground. How is it been men? It's, you know, I think there's, there's the. Initial. The initial adjustment. You know, a lot of things changed very quickly for me personally professionally, and so you know, so take some time to kind of get your feedback on her Neath and get calibrate, recalibrate it sort of speaking. But really the last, you know, six months, I'd say, you know, since February and March April. Like I gotta be honest. I haven't had more fun on professional wrestling in my eighteen years than I've had in the last six months. It's been amazing. I've got the travel the world. I've got to really get my creative freedom back and which is something that I really value everyone's different on that. You know, some people look at this strictly as a as a way to make money, or you know, become famous. I love the art of pro wrestling and beyond thank people on that emotional ride in the way that you my vision is and what works for me and do that. Now, you know, across the world with a number of promotions, and I think successfully. Integrated myself into this kind of cool time and pro wrestling where you know again, in your being a part of that, where things that you thought you knew how pro wrestling was the the rules are changing every day. And you know, I had had one of the the writers and won't say which one, but he kinda hit me up. And after something had happened when I showed up at actually on ring of honor and he said to say, is it safe to -ssume that you're, you're no longer with impact? And and my text back to him said, you know, in this landscape, nothing is safe to assume anymore. And that's why I love it. You know, there's nothing you can assume anymore. So yeah, it's it's been great to to to go out. And you know, again, have ownership in my life and my create Mike, my creative process and really kinda see this this great landscape appro wrestling across the globe. It really has changed. It's one thing I enjoy about being working with Japan. It hasn't been a lot, but from the first ball from the first match to the second match, I really did enjoy like you. Mentioned the creative freedom of being able to, and I want to phrase this properly because there is a of doing things that I really enjoy. But there's also the other side of not having to worry about too many cooks adding greedy to your soup. I don't mind Vince ads agreements the suit, but when I got this guy and that guy and this guy influencing vinced influence what he's saying, it kind of takes away a little with the artistry. Sure. And I really appreciate the kind of being almost totally control of of what I wanted to do with that. Yeah, yeah. And I and I think you know, for me, I think people trusting me to to to do the right thing. You know, because I've, I've never thought of myself as as a selfish performer anymore than we have to be to be in the position we're in. I'm always thinking of the big picture and and you know there's a way to do things where everybody wins. And I think a lot of times in this industry, a lot of people don't put that extra thought into that extra step where everybody wins. Right. And so. So to be able to go and work with promotions and they have promotion start working together, whether it was, you know, I w k and defiant over in the in in in England, you know where I was the champion of both of those places and it wasn't. It was something kind of organically happened in made sense with where they both were in storyline wise and things that were going on and I, and it was just a suggestion of like you guys both have a streaming service that you're charging, you know, five dollars, seven dollars a month for why not work in angled together, where I'm working, both these places anyway for six months with, you know, something that brings is to both promotions instead of splitting your fan base. And I think that's what it companies are starting to see now is like the pro wrestling scene. You know, with the way that we take in content now was changed and and everyone has their own platform, you know is performance. We all have a platform to build our brand as promotions. We have ways of getting the the content out there without national television, and it's long people from all over the world to to watch it, and then create demand for guys like me in. Places of the world, or maybe they're willing to bend five or ten years ago and then and then some places are seeing that, well, let's work together and instead of splitting that pile up a bunch of times, let's let's work together and maybe bake a bigger one and we can all get a big slice right now. And it was cool because you were unless vegan pie always being ties the most delicious. Tell you when you went and worked for ring of honor that you were the impact champion. Yeah, and that was the the first we're going to be doing some of those on the cruise revolvers impact, but to have you do that was the first time ever that these companies had ever worked together. How did that happen? Well, you know what? I just, you know, the time again, I didn't have a contract anywhere, and I still don't have a contract that restricts me from working anywhere, which is I think, beautiful. And I think as independent contractor, the way wrestling could be. And so I'm trying to show companies that you can do that and it can be successful and you don't need to have people under your thumb for them to do good business. And so you know, I'd I'd really been going back and forth with both. You know. At one point, I was actually set to join ring of honor under a deal. We had some ideas creatively and then impacted contacted me once Scott Don came aboard and we started talking philosophy, you know, and once we started talking philosophy of of, you know how to run a company, how to treat talent. You know how to how to create those relationships with talent. I felt like there was a good opportunity there too big part of rebuilding this the way I always thought it could be with all the talent that was there that maybe wasn't being wasn't really being. What's the right word? I'm looking for here. The people, you know, the people and the scenes weren't doing any favors for the people, the men women going in the ring. There were always so much potential there that was never been fulfilled from from reasons that had nothing to do with the performance. And here's a chance now we're Sonos performance in guys who've actually always put, put the boots on done it. Now we're in positions of influence and to run this a different way. And so through that process, you know, I I worked migrant out with impact that allowed me to come in there and do what I'm doing there without restricting me, and I stayed in contact with ring of honor and set them still interested in coming and doing something. I think we have an opportunity now to do something really cool and unprecedented that would maybe, you know, create some buzz and you know, through some different ideas around and and you know, my dear for the television championship was eighty two. Again, I've never held that championship, they're so from an ego standpoint, it makes sense logically to go in and take the one belt. I haven't had his collecting them, but then also to interject myself in a place that would also raise value for that program, you know, and and maybe bring some buzz and some is to something that you know. Not necessarily top programme, but something that you know, if got some people that that have got some history with men and to tell del, create a buzz that. And so that was the general idea. And and and so you know, I think I there was some apprehension rightfully so from from people in ring a Bonner's because the past relationships and I think that's got done and Sandra and the whole crew are aware that that's something they have to overcome. And I was glad to be someone to help kind of, you know, build that bridge back a little bit. And now the jerk cruise, which hopefully there's gonna be some good vegan options. So I think my ticket and be there because it sounds like it's, it's going to be the most glorious time ever or it's just going to be a complete show. Well, I'm not going to let it be. Oh. Okay. Then that's the thing is you work out of the first guy and there is an I wanna talk with that because you are the one guy. If I'm thinking about a guy that worked quite a bit in the old regime of TNA and was like you said, the first guy to come back in sign with impact, which I think is the hardest thing for for for Dunn and Scott to have to do is like, you know, this is a new thing or but they got a lot of they've gotta be hold to dig themselves out of course. So it was a little bit gun shy to even take the call from impact, or did you know them enough to know that there might be something different here? Well, you know, the first call was was really before. I don't know if they had Scott and Don in place, but before the announcement was made, there were still it was. It seemed like this turnover and everything was kind of in flux and Sajjad reached out to me. And you know that conversation was basically like, hey, mailing. If you don't have a team in place, like I'm not interested come in his talent. I want to be part of the team. You know, there's, there's Judy now to take this and do something. The right of the behind the scenes like I want to come in and be part of the decision making process and speak. Yeah. And I said, outside of that, I don't really have any because I don't know who was still there and who wasn't. You know, I said, I don't really have any desire to come in and work for anybody again, I'll work with anybody. Yes, work for anybody there. And so that was kind of in the conversation. And that's when the stuff you know, the conversations with ring of honor, kind of picked up and kind of made. All right. Maybe this is this is the direction to go, but then you know, once the, you know, Scott down announcement was made and Scott reach back out. Like, you know, I've never had any issue with Scott. We've crossed paths. We've never had real indepth conversations, but I don't, you know, have had no issue with them. You know, this is Scott. The most got two more, yes. 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And for me, you know, I'm really good at getting under people's skin, you know? And so I, I think right now, and I knew that eventually you get the, you get the initial, you know, homecoming reception baby. Yeah, the baby-faced wants around and but I knew that especially once I started collecting all these titles and walking around with him everywhere, what a dick that it wouldn't be long before people would be would be doing me and and put him in the position where I think I'm most valuable and where I feel most comfortable, which is which is, you know, getting under people's skin and then and then letting them. And that's the we talked about exactly. So so yeah. And so I just think it was. It was finding that finding myself, you know, listen, I'm certain environments can strip you've yourself confidence, you know, and and and you can leave places thinking you, you're not as good. You are. And so it takes some time to rebuild that. And so you know, I had I had, I had my infamous house of hardcore promo, you know which about that man? Well, you know it was. It was one of those. It was one of those. We're going to give Austin Aries alive. Mike on pay per view. What's and my thing with that is always like that never delivers. And so I don't wanna not deliver. So you know, I went back and forth in my head about what I wanted to say. And there was ones rouses gonna you know, light napalm and just start, you know, throwing throwing bombs and just, you know, speaking from the heart and the realities of of of the of the other side of the business that maybe people don't know, you know. And but, but at the end of the day, I decided to, instead of pointing the finger at everybody else for failures, I decided to point the finger myself which I thought I'm gonna go out there and do some people aren't gonna expect, right? Everyone's expecting me to go out there and completely trash WWE and, and and you know, but you know what I thought, you know what? Here's a moment to do something different and you know what it wasn't well received by the. The internet or from those people, maybe the masses, you're the ones who like to go in and give their opinions. And yes, it did go like thirteen minutes. So there's probably there's probably something to that because giving some heartfelt promo in Philadelphia of all places to a crowd. That's, you know, a half a half a case of beers in is probably not the best place to do it and it was risky, but you know what? I got a lot at the end of it. You know, it was part of the process for me of finding what the next step and what the next journey was for me, and but I think he did the smart thing because it never looks good. Like if you have somebody that comes in trashes the freedoms promotion. Sure. And unless you're somebody like, I don't know if the undertaker did it or of Jericho, did it, or some of that's had a long tenure there. That's done a lot of stuff. But when you've been there short period of time, if you're blaming, not just you, but you in general sphere, blaming this other company, you look kind of Chitty of course, just like you weren't good enough to to to stick around. So now you're going to blame them. That's all. That cross ten that's going to. And that's what people are going to look at it as right, and because at the end of the day, and here's the other thing, I'm still a little old school. I don't believe everyone needs to know everything that goes on the scene. I agree. Even even if even if that would paint a different picture of what people may think of me publicly, I still don't believe that I win that battle either. Yeah, so so I'll I'll take some on the chin here and there and let people think what they think about me. You know, the people closest to me and the people that are important to know who I am in. No, that know the truth and the realities of all the situations in my career. Again, going into that suspension with my second suspension and then leaving leaving TNA at the time. You know, it was also coming off the heels of them not bringing a cage all cage. Pay-per-view view. So like there was a preface to to while I was in a bad mood the next day and asking questions because of their unprofessionalism the night before. Right. And so, but we didn't talk about all that at the time. It was just a while he had a bad attitude and we sent him home and now he's fired. Yeah, you know. I think it was smart Phoenix to look within yourself. Yeah, you when I first went to w. w. after WCW knowing what I could do and not achieving that and not having a good reputation with the office. I gotta look, what am I doing wrong? These people to, like you said, I need to do what I know how to do to show them who Christine, Liz, and I think for you in leaving and then going back into, you know, the the business abroad and you need to remind people who Austin Aries is and what he can do, and you've done that. And if old and first and foremost probably remind myself, I, we talk about being big, our biggest fans on her harshest critics. Then those moments of your harshest critic, you know, maybe too much and yet take some time and but I think you know, maybe this is a good segue to talk about. One of the reasons I came in here today. Yeah, but talking about, you know, a personal accountability and and and just being real and authentic. And yeah, in that process. Again, you know, we can go through life and we can point fingers at everybody else for our failures, but but. At the end of the day, we only control one person and that's our selves. So. So why not? Why not look at the factors you do control, you don't again that goes, you know, that goes into into my food choices. Right? And we talked about my first time here with with the things I do with the plant based advocacy and things like that, which I gotta tell you man more than anything else when people come up and go, hey, man, I heard you on. I heard you on Jericho's really interested in that plant based. I heard you talking about your book. I really want to check it out, and so I wanna thank you for that because that was a huge platform to touch a lot of, again, our fan base is, I think, you know, again, you know, we've traveled for decades now and you know, I don't think plant based diet, some that a lot of them have been exposed to. You know, it's not it's, you know. So just see quickly, Kevin Smith, I saw him, he's lost fifty pounds yet a almost fatal heart attack, basically lose weight or die at said, he less fifty. I saw him. How'd you do it? Vigo. Wien diet, yeah. And, and that's, you know, unfortunately is a lot of people do is they wait till. Behind the eight ball did right change, and then they go, man. Was that easy? All you do is not eat all this stuff. All these years. Some of this. And again, people should be if a new, the, the key, the key that this unlocks to to your happiness, you're, you're in your health, you know? Right. So how did the book do for you? Is it a good doing? Good man. I, I think the biggest thing again, this wasn't it wasn't, hey, let's make a bunch of money on it. This was this was vehicle and a tool to get the message out there and then opened up other opportunities. So later this later in a few months, depending on when this actually airs I'm safe safe to say within later this year I'll just go with that unless you're air this to like twenty twenty. Alrighty happened, but I'll be speaking at a couple of different festivals went out in DC and then went out and Boston. And so so the book is VN festival, festivals, veg, fats, things of that sort. And so that the book is open up those avenues for me to go and and kind of share my story. And again, debunk lot of the the misnomers about, you know that you can't be vegan and also have muscles are being athlete or be cool chicks well, by. Speaking of Pyan bananas. Hold on a second. Oh, here comes. See. The banana was not just a gimme. He actually has. I brought you some custom. Oh, thank oh my goodness. The great Austin is Austin. Aries. Is that use? Those are Chiquita bananas to area. That's awesome. Man. And what is the real name? Shuki g it's Chiquita he's he's at the mercy. Then while usually giveaways birthday gifts. Somebody if someone buys a whole, the whole shebang by the little combo, look get the book that they get one of those guys. They'll take a closer picture, but it's a picture of little or Austin, Aries of banana basket on his head. Basically dresses Chiquita banana woman. I'm so the banana has survived. The banana gimmick survived surprisingly, and and I and I, it's not something I, I do all the time, but it it somehow has I people bring me bananas a lot. They're always asking me where the bananas, our, I get lots of tweets, or, you know, you know bananas in pockets. Things of that sort is a banana, a cornerstone of the vegan diet. I think it is only because you can make really good ice cream out of it, frozen bananas, make a a really good ice cream blended up. So it's just for that. But I mean, I put my shakes a lot. It's just a, it's a, it's a really good food. You know, because I'm dieting right now. Part of the diet is you can only have a certain amount of of proteins a day and a certain amount of carbs. Sure. And only four. Those carbs are fruit based carbs in a banana, not on the list. No, no, because it has more than four cars. Fruit has for what are you gonna have like what they want a grape. We'll make the basic twelve grade one unit, one, apple one, seven strawberries type of thing, and have a banana. Not on fire. Okay. Your time it's worked. I've lost twelve thousand the last nine days, but I would really love to have a banana. I, I would well, I say. For my banana stroking. Let's talk. We're going to talk about a few of the things I wanna talk to you. First of all, you are now called the collector of champions collective championships. I mean, the belt collector. You know, that's not a belt. Got belt is what you by JC. And I was like, JC Penney deltas. What you buy at nordstrom's. Maybe you do that. The rest of us only the ones who got in the stock at eighteen and they're, they're, they're all buying their belts at nordstrom's. Adult is what you buy exclusive from the Ducey collection of. Vienna. Ah, belt is what you have an made for you. What? What belts do you have a little embarrassed? Chris? I'm a little. I don't know them all. I'm a little light unbalanced lost a few. I lost a few belts. I topped out at six at one time. That's pretty good. So were the six that you have? I had the IP w k which is obviously I'm defiant which used to be what culture wrestling. Also, England also England World series wrestling, which is a phenomenal promotion in Australia. Wow, that's doing great things over there. I over three months just I can't speak highly enough about what it's doing there and then the impact world yet I don't have the impact grand championship, and I had the defy title out of the northeast Seattle Portland area. So this is like a worldwide Jenkins Sharon here and it was cool because you know again. Oh, what a great idea. Like sat my room like thinking of ideas ago. I know I'll just go win all the belts. The famous Bob all when he said to Brian well, bubble has like, you never give me any good ideas. He's like, well, do you have any ideas? I got on the win the world title. Austin, Aries, he's got a real good right idea. He wins the title for from us. But I mean that that is actually actually the funny one. I remember that I think ultimate dragon will put a nine. Was there was there wasn't attempted to have a face off again in there was there was a thought. You know what? I loved it. Yeah, winner take all the belts. That'd be a great man, so, but when when you at the peak of this and just to be a little bit more office, you're not taking all the belts with you at all times, but it's you are. Yeah. So how's that going through the airports. I'd say every every average about every six weeks. Usually airport security is called on me. No, I haven't coal times. You know, I, it's, it's okay. I just I travel so much. I know that procedures. I try to be proactive and help them take them out. I learned because so here's a story. So they got rid of the bins at the pre check now because you usually don't have to take anything on your bags. You have to take out your laptop so pre check. Yeah. Good, right. You don't take your shoes off your good, so they just got rid of the bins altogether. But in now you know, the few times they're going to pull everyone out, you know, every belt on I told us one way one day as commandments that just run a little behind us that their boarding my flight now. And then she kind of looked at me and kind of gave me one of those little head bobs with her real long, long, curly fingernails jewels in them and proceeded to go through an unroll every piece of clothing you at all. And I was like, I mean, come on, let's TSA pre check. I know. I know you got a two dollar an hour raise from when you're working on at an anti spreads last week, and now you feel like you're, but can we just get the. Show on the road here exact. I've been. I've been pre checked. Yeah. So after that I just started taking them out so so I'll go to preach and say, hey, can I haven't been pleased sir? You don't need a been. I understand. I'm just I, I have some things in your, you're probably sir. You don't take your bag. I'm just I'm just trying to help you this conversation like listen, like it's not a real badge that badges such you call the people who have real badges. Can you just give me a been, you know, like so, yeah, I've had. I've asked him experiences, you know, obviously it's way overweight for on like, but nobody's nobody ways your carry on. They did one day like we gotta wait or Cairns like, no, you don't. When did you start doing that? Yeah, I had to like I play with them like, listen man, like I can't check these. Yeah, that's important. You can't check those? No, I don't want to do the deal. Oh, Brown raft to wear it on the plane who I really was the European champion they run onto. They had, you know, put it underneath the carriage because they couldn't fit the roller bags on. So I guess you had to pull the belt where I just think he was seven where six belts would be a little of noxious, put them all. That's always the way to like. It never bothers me when you get checked like with with the title roar like a lighted jacket, for example, it bothers me when you don't get checked. If there. If they're running this thing through, there's a big slab of metal assure the jackets got wires, remote control batteries, metal. That's what I want you? Yeah. What do you? What do you? What will you check if this is going to be known? Apple set might not really be fake. Let's get her out of her wheelchair and double triple check. That's right. And that half a bottle of water, you got to get rid of it. It's not the water. It's the large bottle insert. You know, you can't put houses of water and a sixty four ounce bottle because we're, I've had this conversation when TIs we'll bottles big, but that's two ounces of liquid in there right way too big to go through. So you're big bottles exactly what we're afraid, big bottle. I just can't figure it out. I'm like if I put the same on a liquid from this big bottle into his magic plastic bag. Now it's safe. So it's obviously the big bottle. That's the problem because you might hit someone that was embarrassed that you could be right? Yeah, exactly. See, worked a lot with Pentagon junior, the real Pentagon, junior, not the fake one. Like I was the impostor Pentagon at all in I wanna talk about Pentagon though. He's got something special and you've been wrestling Australia and Fosse's going there next month. But I want to hear what the wrestling scene is like they're in the indie side. But before we get to that, I'm sure everyone listening knows what I did today. 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Get you mask is not even in the r- in in my promotion, their brothers, like even had six titles. Dr one here then. Okay. That's why unified the grand in the world title because I had too many to carry. Yeah. But now now that I'm down to two, I might on unified them so that I just got to take take it or the smelter and get perfect, any will give us a call so. So both those guys, I think they're great talent. I think it's, I think it's cool because they're both. They're different, right? You know, Pentagon's, not your prototypical cruiserweight in the way you'd think of them. Think more of a of a la- parka type, you know he can fly, but, but he's more. He's more of a presence. He's more away cares himself and you know, he's a little a little bigger, a little stronger. So he's not. And then you know, phoenixes the opposite, like one of the top high flyers top Lucia door, cruiserweight style workers that that I've been in the ring with. And so and then obviously with those guys being brothers, I mean, there's a certain connection there, so you know, I got, I got the pleasure just being kind of the third guy in there and let them let them three way we did it. We did it wrestlemainia weekend, and that was supposed to be a tag match that I've got. You know, the changed everything. And then when so, well, that we said, well, let's just let's just do the skin for for the title and that was well received. And again, really showing the change philosophically. And then also stylistically of we're impact wrestling is going in more of a worker based style or or more. How do you mean? Yeah, I, I think, you know, I think that, you know, if you watch the product in the last few months, there's been an attention to letting the stores be told him the ring, giving the time for the for the town. Want to do that and cutting out all the crap. Yeah, you know, when you need the crap the the crap will will have its effect look better if you know. Perfect. Bananas region do not help with action tomatoes or by careful. I liked the the, the presentation of those guys and it was it was you know what I like about impact now is they've done a great job and I don't want to say anything bad about anybody, but almost vetting out the people that were there too long. If you're looking at impact like territory, I thought it was good that lasts. She left and c, three left and masterpiece left because those guys have been around for so long. There's only so much you can do with them. Sure. Having Austin come in and penta and Phoenix and now Sammy Callahan Eddie Edwards and all these guys that are kind of, you know, Tessa Blanchard, Soo young that are that are the cornerstones of the company we haven't seen before, and I thought that when impact was at its best is when you were first making your your way and Samoa Joe in AJ and journey? No, Eric young and all those guys. It's smart to just kind of clean the slate and start a new. Yeah. And, and you know, I'm a sports guy, and that's what a lot of times happens in sport is right there bringing bringing new ownership team in and they want to bring their philosophy and, and I think to your point, not only not only talent. Wise, but I think in this is the one thing I keep stressing to people go, oh, you know, TNA LL, you know, it's like they did that behind the scenes. They've cleared out all the old regime there too, and all right, mindsets and the old thought processes because I wouldn't be there if they hadn't. You know what I'm saying? It's it's a new. It's really a new. It's a new place there, and it's got, it's got the structure that's in the foundation that was laid in the in the bones of the ship, so to speak. But we're all in there. Now we're rebuilding this thing and it's gonna be great. And I think there's a lot of potential and I think people are starting to see it and I'll tell you what in the last year. And I've been saying this recently in the last year I've been in every major outside of new Japan which I've never been. You know, I don't know if you have any connections there. Chris, I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind maybe going on. Yeah. What might try out there or they might know who I am over there. I think he's been a while since I've been over there. So well, you have six titles at one point, so they you keep an eye and over there. Like I'm I'm like the champion of battle royals over. No, no, no. Well, you could be I could be though we could be telling people that you are and they would never know. This is true, even better. We tell people in Japan that you're the champion about a royals here and watch out. You know, like we got a book right here heard this now. Now it's all on the open headed worry about it fits on the cutting room floor, but so I've been like almost every major locker room and and a bunch of, you know, of of the smaller ones around the country and mid majors. Right. I think right now that impact wrestling is the most fun place to work. I think I think it's it's the place I look forward to going locker room. I think that you know, and and and I'll say, and and what what World Series wrestling doing his Australia? I think also I wanted to capture that age eras run a probably the most professional tour that have been on in in my career from logistics to just everything you know, right in the the combinations ways marketed the show's over there. We've, you know, we just had a show. We just got back from this tour, but the one. We, we actually had the are which tag team champions the Briscoes teaming up with myself the impact world champion taking on the young bucks mardi skirl and right like nobody else can and I'll say I booked that match. Okay. I got my hands in a lot of cookie jars. I, I've been joking, and so my friends were joking. I should really be nominee myself for Booker the year because if you really knew all the things I've been doing since, let's say January and all these different promotions and it's basically been all at my device. I put my booking up there against almost anybody's that's smart though, because they wanted to get your kind of in control of your destiny it that case. Yeah, but, but again, but but when I say that, I don't say it's just for me. See, that's the thing you guys go. I'm the best with this guy's the best to me. You're the best when you can make other people the best you raise other people up. And I like to think that what I've been doing this little bell collector thing. Listen, of course it's given me something that again was in the plan, but it happened and I ran with it, but once impact wrestling in that platform, I came in, there became that champion. This became a whole 'nother thing of of really for these promotions, giving him a. That form of like, have you ever heard World Series wrestling, but you see their title on television. I'm gonna check that out what you you, you won that title ricochet. Right. The one that's now in annex t I got to see that match. You know, I w k and define bring those titles in the visibility. That's why carried him, or that's why I put him on the television. That's why I make sure when I go and do a deal with m l. w that it's like, yeah, I'm coming out with these titles. That's part of the deal. It's the help you other promotions because that's where Russians that now we can help each other. We don't all have to build the same sandcastle, but we have to go around kicking over other people saying castles either, you know. And so I think that's a cool thing. And so for me, it's about that. It's, you know, I never worry about me being over. I got it. I figured out what can canal use. We'll ospreys doing in moving to Austrailia to try and build up that country's bean, then that's it. It's so interesting to me the where where the businesses changed even from, let's say, when I started in WBZ in two thousand and till now, I mean it really is this whole other. Like if you're wwltv's WB, it's on its own, but even they're starting opened the doors to progress and all these different places than all the other companies that are all doing well are also joining forces. It's going back to the way things were almost in the seventies insurance early eighties before Vince took the whole world over and that companies do work together and guys can't travel right in place to place to place and make a good living. Yeah, and it's going to come to a point if you're if you're the company who doesn't allow that you're going to be in the minority, it's gonna hurt your busy stucco? Yeah. What do you think some of the things that impact through to get more more people to understand that this is a whole new world and maybe give it a a reboot checkout again? Well, you know, I think if they could get, you know, Austin areas, Chris Jericho match. I'm of there. But I mean, I'm sure that would bring some visibility, but I know. I just think it stay the course. You know, I think the big thing that's plagued him as there's been so many different, you know, oh, it's going to be different now, or we got this new this here. Now this person's in charge. Just stay the course. They've got a good game plan. They've got the right guys in the right spots, including the talent and the guys that are leading the locker room and the energy and the tone there. And then what we're trying to do behind the scenes what we're trying to do working unilaterally with different promotions and and you know, for the benefit of everybody, I think just stay that course. The guy I think time it's just time writing. You don't undo a decade worth of what people think something is, you know, and you undo it and ten months. I tell people that all the time with their health and their wellness and they're and they're dying. It's like you don't get unhealthy and get forty overweight, and and over the last thirty years, your life. And then in three months, because he's decided start eating some kale. It's gone. You know, nice to work that way, but it doesn't. So just stay the course take your time. Don't do any of the things that I think have have hampered that company which is thrown big money at people because what they've done other places, you know, you might get a couple of those people in the right people in the right spots. But as. You said earlier built, build your own guys because people enjoy watching the growth and that journey of of those guys and get behind those guys. And we've got a lot of talented men and women there, and we have a great open landscape of guys who want to work together and create something. And so for me right now, I just want to be that kind of that that rock in in the center, the the, the kind of anchor. And then you know, allow the opportunity for for one of these talents to kinda step up and become the next AJ the next jail the next Austin Aries. So is this wind down here? What is your plans now you you mentioned earlier that you didn't sign a contract. You have a contract with anybody? I haven't agreement with impact wrestling. They're not stupid. They're protecting their assets. You know, I'm, I'll be need to know who's going to be there. And of course, of course. And it's funny when when people think the contrary just because I don't have a prototypical contract and I don't have a contract that restricts me from and anywhere, hey, I can show, but w w Morrow because my contract doesn't say I couldn't. No. They probably wouldn't have me from for their own reasons. But nothing in my contract restricts me from from doing. Anything, and I think that's cool. And I think that that shows I'm there because I want to be there now because I'm forced to be there because I can't leave, you know. And so that allows me to do things with ring of honor. I allows me also and I don't want to tip my hand too much, and I don't want to jinx anything, but I've got my hands in something right now with a a major television network and nice on the ground floor and and very much a part of the process. And we're, we're in the final stages before we announce anything. Again. I don't know when this is gonna air, so, but again, if I didn't have that type of deal, I, I wanna be able to take this opportunity to to maybe create even crazier landscaped, and we're already in to maybe put another promotion on on national television and and to be a guy that can be again, I was just on ring of honor television and impact television on the same week recipe for two different titles in three different promotions like that's that hasn't been done. And that's cool because it just when I see is wrestling, fans are excited because they aren't. They don't have to be feel like they have to be divided and choose any more like they can just love wrestling across the board and. Think that's the one thing, hey, WWE fans like give wrestling outside a WW chance and and we don't have to, you know, this, this whole mentality. I think somewhere all raised in right this, oh, we all got to pick our team and stick to it. We put our colors on and we and we root for them unquestionably even even if they do bad things. Again, if you're if you're New England, Patriots fan, they didn't cheat. I got you, right. It's cool, right? And we all we all excuse are. We also use our team for whatever they do. We excuse our country for the things that they've it has done historically right because it's our team. But I think you know in this in this new new day and age where we're the world's shrunken so much and really at the end the day, we all want the same basic things you want to be happy. We're going to be loved. You wanna be happy. Wanna be comfortable. You know this this having to pick a side or having to pick a color pick a team. I think we can move beyond that. We can. We can. We can, you know, maybe evolve a little bit and we can support the things that we love instead of having to pile on the things that we hate. And just because you're a huge fan of WW doesn't mean that you have to hate anything that's not. And just because you're huge fan of pro wrestling, doesn't mean you have to just hate anything that's WWE. Like, you know, everyone can appreciate and respect difference, opinion on what the enjoy and support the things you love. Instead of bashing, the things that you hate. Well, I think he said one of the things why started even considering going to new Japan was because how cool it will this be for for the wrestling world, you know, Jericho, versa mega and then kind of mixed promotion type thing. And it makes it exciting. And I think now the businesses healthier than maybe it's ever been because it's not just the monopoly, obviously WBZ the healthiest with over money. They just made, but there's money and I'm telling you from experience from this year as are you. You can make some really good money outside of WB for very minimal dates absolute. And that just gives more power back to the boys. And I think now more than ever with all the money that's around that. This is a chance for the guys to really kind of up their yearly annual pay because now you're not worried about going to poughkeepsie for five hundred bucks. Sure. You now it's a whole different world and landslide around that. That's because of the choices and the freedom that we have is performers. And I also think it's gonna. It's gonna give the opportunity the landscape right now to me if there's ever been an opportunity to revisit the way that we've str-. Structured this whole business model between independent contractors and employs and the way that wrestlers have been classified forever. Maybe it's now you don't. Maybe there's an option again, I see that. You know if I'm not mistaken, WW put their hat in for Emmys. Right, right. Is great. Sure. Shouldn't every men and women on that show be sagging after that's what I'm saying. We are. We're actors or actresses were stunt men. We're all second after. Yeah, and so like if you want to get the recognition for being what you are, then the actors and actresses and stuntman stunt women who put their lives on the line should absolutely begin that credit to. And I think with this landscape changing and as you said, some of the power going back to the the talent, it's trained an opportunity for maybe for us to have that conversation to go away to second. There's a different way we can do this. Nothing. That's what impacts trying to do is just, hey, we have an opportunity to change the business model and how we have relationships with businesses because the landscapes different now and you don't need one person's, you know, network television show Dr Ray. And so with not needing that, it's it's kind of changed things. No, it has. It's good. It's good for all of us. Last question. What's your favorite match that you've had since you've left? WB? My favorite match I've had since I've left WWE actually just took place in Australia. I made history. Straight. Now, man, insane. Some beautiful matches. The most fun matches in my life. I had a match. I've had a bunch. Matching Chile recently, I wrestled low key, and whenever I say Russell, low key people automatically make face like, ooh, hope. It was okay. When I tell you that we opened the match and we we caller number locked up for close to ten minutes around the whole arena because up to this point, everyone was killing themselves. Right, right, absolutely. Killing themselves. And the only time the crowd really react reacted that night was when there's a women's three way and the women like rolled in the ring and they stopped for a second and the call would ooh. And I looked at, yes, it got our first ten minutes brother, and he just looked at me. So I tell you we locked up and we rolled to the mat and out of the ring and around ringside and over the guardrail in through the crowd and up on, is it a club and on couches and up on the table and through the people there and back through ringside, and then finally back into the ring, and we got up and we finally broke it and we'll look at each other and the whole crowd stood and start chanting. This is awesome. And look to be too shook his head. I just I just smoked to them when. Yep. That's working boys that's veteran experienced. It's been stuff like that, man. I what I see now in the rest industries, I see a lot of attention and a lot of after being put in how to feed the food to people home gonna feed you, the food and stuff, the food, your mouth. I'm taking all my effort and time in sitting sitting down at my table, bring the nice cloth napkin and draping it down. There porn your glass of water waving the bread and you know, so that breads home saying, like, I, I'm gonna wine and dine, but I'm gonna romance you. I start stuffing food and your mouth, and I see lots. You know, just stuff in food, their mouth, and I'm taking my time doing all the things so that by the time you taste that I little by that appetizer at the best thing you've ever tasted. And so so that's where my mind's out right now. And to that point, I just made history in Australia. I've just show this real quick. The story is going to take probably ten times longer than the actual match did I actually defended the impact world title three times in a row on the second night I lost. I lost the title of the first nights Brian cage. The the World Series wrestling titled Brian cage in a three way was not pinned. So the second night to overcompensate as I usually do, I started the show by defending the impact will tell three times the first two times against to unsuspecting students who are ringside, who I decided were urged the opportunity for the world title shot. And those matches lasted about maybe fifteen twenty seconds to top that the last match was against Adam page. So we had an impact world title match in Australia against Adam page. I think that's kind of cool, very cool. Japan. Yeah. And we both splitter eyebrows open and then I almost glued my eyes shut, which will have to save that story. Jimmy havoc almost with my eyes shut. So so real quick, I defended the title. I did the same. Seven defend all three. My titles right here right now wanna make history. And also I've been hearing how women want to be in the main event and you agree, I'm I'm a big fan of true quality across the board, right? Not where you're cherry pick it, but just true equality. So to make history defended all three, my titles against a female competitor. And of course, when I announced was going to be female competitive latte of the great names are being shouted out, you know, like fabulous moolah. Debbie combs. Iron maiden Lee Lani KAI velvet McIntyre, but but there was one there was one girl ringside who I remember from my seminar back in November named bell. NSM, hey ballasts, at how many matches you have. Now, she said four. I said, we'll balance. Sounds to me like you're ready for a shot at all my belts. So we got in the ring and the crowd. You could feel their cautious optimism as as you know, you could hear in the come on, you can do it and there there were feeling like she can do something right. She's got some. She's got some some spark. She's going to show some life, and there were so optimistic and we went to lock up and I just went behind her and tossed her down like a piece of garbage in spun hundred back and snatch drew my last chancery and she tapped out there was about three seconds, and I grabbed my titles and motor buddy. Yeah, that was it. And I couldn't sucked one more of wind out of that place. It was. It was beautiful. It was everything I wanted it to be right because then right after that, the local kid, Robbie eagles came out and ruined my parade and later that night in the main event tag match, he surprised the champion and actually pin me. So now he's got himself a title shot next time. I think when it's all of the story. You tell so part of the story. So I, you know, but yeah, so like it was a lot of fun because again, at the end, they'll went home happy, and that's the most important that is the most important thing. I think we're gonna send people home happy today. I think so. I'm happy. I'm happy three bananas with your face on, here's four. Thanks again, impacts world champion, Austin, Aries. And let's see if the belt collector retains his title against Johnny impact at the impact wrestling bound for glory. Pay per view. This Sunday coming from the sold out a venue in New York. You can check that out wherever you order pay per views, or you can stream it on the fight. TV app got a big announcement by the way regarding fight TV and that's gonna come tomorrow for you regarding Chris Jericho's rock and resting razor, which is very apropos. Kaz. Johnny impacts will also be Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling agency or as mardi squirrel called him. His name be Johnny rock and wrestling rage. I Seattle know we're less than three weeks away with less than twenty five cabins left. There's still a few left. There's some high priced ones. There's a couple, a lower priced ones. 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Brian Pillman Jr - A Chip Off The Loose Cannon

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Brian Pillman Jr - A Chip Off The Loose Cannon

"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Dog recall. Ricco. All right, welcome to talk. Is Jericho. It is the plot of thunder and rock and roll, and let's go Duff McCague joke of the week. Oh, Chris. Jericho's again, I didn't wanna believe my dad was feeling some this job as a road worker, but when I got home, all the signs were there. Thank you very much. Yes, very, very nice. Wow, Duff is the man of many jokes, some of them good. Most of them like that one, but he's a rocker hall of Famer and he takes the time every single Friday, no matter where in the world he is or what he's doing to phone in the joke of the week. Thanks the Duff and the rest of guns and roses on tour hitting the Philippines, Jakarta, Taiwan Hong Kong, and Abu Dhabi in November and Fuzzy's. Judas rising tours rolling on as well get to that in a minute. Because right now I gotta tell you who's coming up on today's show Brian film in the second, the only son of one of the pioneers of high flying and getting his character over reinventing himself. The late great, Brian filming Bryant number two lost his dad when he was just four years old, but he remembers a couple of things. We still share Brazil. A lot of his dad and him as well as you here in the conversation coming up. Brian's also talked about making his own name in the business and how he came back to wrestling in the first place and the advice he got from films close friend stone cold, Steve Austin, he trained with Lance storm in Calgary talks about hooked up with Lance training. There. He's also talking about the recent knee injury suffered that had him sidelined for few months. He just came back, what do you plan to do and his downtime in the ring, Brian's got some goals for both new Japan and WB and a plan on how to get there Bryan film in the second coming up and Fosse come into the orpheum tonight in Tampa, September twenty eighth. It's a hometown show from in Florida, and we finish up the US leg of the Judas rising tour Saturday night Fort Lauderdale to culture room tomorrow. And then we're playing the rock allegiance. So main stage, New Jersey. Next Saturday, October sixth. And then we head to Austria and New Zealand Auckland at the studio, November seventh Melbourne at max watts, November ninth, which is my birthday, the manning in Sydney, November, tenth, thirteenth Adelaide at the governor and member fourteenth Brisbane at the triffid. We will be there or go check that out. If you live in Austria or New Zealand, they were hooking up with three days grace for some dates on their Canadian tour Moncton on November twenty. First Halifax, the twenty-third, Quebec City, the twenty four twenty fifth months real twenty six. Armed prior, which is basically Ottawa twenty-seven is London Ontario twenty is Toronto Ontario. Then the thirtieth Thunder Bay December first at the Burton Cummings theatre the Burt in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, my hometown, whether hometown show for me second, Regina. Third is Edmonton at the Starlight room. And the fourth finishing Judas rising tour after nineteen months is going to be in Calgary at the gateway go to Fosse rock dot com for all ticket info, including how to buy packages for what a falsies VIP meet and greet for legendary one of the best of the business. We play many concept for you. We take pictures, we sign stuff. We hang out with you. You get to meet Jack Slade. What more do you want to go to Iraq dot com for all information? All right. He's at Brian fly, junior on Twitter. He's live on talk. Is Jericho right now? It's Brian Bill. In the second. Here we go. Bryant roaming the second which is very regal, but this is wrestling. So you're probably end up being Brian Tillman junior for awhile? Yeah, that's that's how it's ending up being promoted and people are introducing the in announcing me as that I, I really tried to go with the second for branding purposes. Yeah, I really liked the idea of the Roman numerals remedy to and something that and and just trying to play onto that kind of that wrestling royalty idea, you know, like my father was in such a position of reverence in power in the industry and and it was kind of his lost on me because you know when I was born, you know, he wasn't there or you know he was there, but you know, when I was four years old, I lost him. So I kind of got removed from that that kingdom. So being a wrestling. So I'm just trying to find my place in and just get back into the. So held you twenty four twenty four. So you just had your your watch your leg there. If you spend a few distraction out where you can do so came on the bus like Grizzle. But you just started though though this year, my very first match was December. Thirtieth of two thousand seventeen. Okay. I was like, you know what? We're going end off the year with with one big match and I actually had like a dark match so to speak on December eighteenth, but I did it under under a different name. So I try, Alex King was my name. Tribute to my older sister, Alexis actually passed away and my younger sister Schuyler in her last name king. So I was okay. But you mentioned so. So you're the son of Brian Tillman. The only son direct? Yeah. Brian had five children for children. So my sister. All all the children are half. Okay. My mother had Alexis and in me and Jessie and my dad had Danielle and Brittany and Schuyler is actually of no relation to him. Okay. There's a little misconception online. I think on Wikipedia or something where sky scholars listed as one of his children, but she's completely not biologically related to him. Okay. So what your dad passed away when you were four years old? Yes, it's been twenty years ago. Read, how do you have any memories of your dad at all? Yeah, I, I get that question a lot, and the one thing I can say I do remember is when he was wrestling and address on TV. I was very upset about. I always thought my dad was the coolest. He would never do that. This can't be real, and of course voice, you know, you can never forget that voice. Thank you think he's screaming. Right, but he's not loud. You know what I mean? He has to scream just to be at a normal volume, the other throat injury or something along those lines. They also just growing up. You just a young kid and he had polyps which are like little throat tumors constantly had to be removed. He had, you know, kid little throat, whatever you call jewels, whatever. No, no. No help you breathe. Yeah. So always got made fun of, you know, when he was younger and stuff, and I, I feel like that really hard into him up, but really, what do you mean? Do you have like a little like a tube in there too? Yeah. Oh, wow. So like it would stick out of his throat. That's why he had that that Scarborough. Wow, I came over, they call the ventilator. He actually had the in their interesting, so that kind of gave him that voice for refers scarring the scarring over time that constantly scraping out those little tumors and stuff. So when growing up without him, as you open a Pabst blue ribbon PBR we're in Ohio, man. When did you start realizing that your dad was Brian pill? Man? It was actually non until I got into my twenties. You know, growing up, I knew he was a big deal in wrestling and I and I knew that he was a famous person in that business, but I was more or less thought people would forget about him. I kind of thought, oh, you know, those were different times now. Now, you know, things are changing wrestling so different now, like people would never, you know, they wouldn't remember him. And if they met me, they wouldn't know all Brian Thomann as and I was completely wrong. I was so wrong about that. His followers and his fan base or just. So I wanna say Colt like, but I want to say that in a good way. I want to say a very passionate following and it's almost it's unreal like it wasn't until I was like twenty two or twenty three when I started reaching out, you know, I think I tweeted it lands like, hey, are you? You know, you're accepting students. I'm thinking about getting into into wrestling and it was like somebody just saw that screen, capped, it wrote an article. I had nine hundred new followers like the next day. I remember kind of hearing about this out of nowhere because like you said, you did end up having a little bit of a. The thing with Lance, was that just basically nowhere? Did you just think I want to go to Calgary and train because that's kind of where you dad went to train or. Yes, I thought I thought it would make a lot of sense in in two, I just I did my research, you know? And I was like, who's the best? Like if I want to do this, I'm going to do this all in who's the best trainer. You know, I don't want to go down and get hurt, you know, in some in some rusty old ring, I want to be in the most professional training Byron, and obviously you can't just walk into the w. w. performance centers. Oh, I'm Brian poem. You know what I mean? So I was like, what's the most legitimate way to pay my way and go do this? And and I got in touch with Lance, and he sent me a nice lengthy Email which you know outlined all the pros and cons of this business because I told him I was like, look, I was kind of I was kind of torn away from wrestling. I was I was more or less led to believe by my mother and family that it was bad for me, and it was going to do all this harm to me and it killed my father and all that. And then you meet guys like Landon guys like you that that you know didn't kill you. You're still making a good living op. Two different parallels. You know you guys both started together, right? But you went on different paths, but no, no, no destructive past. And it's just like all these people that say wrestling's terrible are just wrong. And I finally realized that after more or less succeeding at being a normal person, you know, going to college got my degree. You know, sat at a desk job, making great money for a year. I was just like, you know, I was. I got my degree in information systems and business like a minor in business. So I was working on databases for car dealerships all around the western hemisphere. So we worked with Canada, Mexico, and South America, and basically people that worked at car dealerships would have issues with their databases, you know, different things that have to fix with the accounting. I was specifically with the accounting end of this off wear and I would, you know, help them out with that and and solve problems. It was really fun job because I do enjoy technology, but I kept going to the top of the cubicles and coming down on people with lax handles. And they were like, look, you got to. Gotta get outta here and I was like, yeah, you're right. I do so. Yeah. Yeah. Did you ever thought about being a wrestler? But he said when you were kid? No. But when you come in adult, did you start thinking like really should try this? Or were you trying to still ignore those impulses? I want to say I, I wish I would have started sooner because I did have some earlier impulses when I was getting out of high school. You know, eighteen twenty years old, but the the social influence today is to go to college, go to college, all your teachers telling you to go to college. And I saw what happened with my family and in the risks that my father took in how our family ended up in ruins in, you know, in the Pullman name could have more or less died off at that point. So I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna make those, you know, I'm going to at least have a backup plan. I'm going to go to college and I'm going to do all these things that these teachers everybody's telling me and in looking back, I, I don't regret. I don't regret it at all. I think I learned a lot about technology and marketing and business in college, which is ultimately infinitely valuable in the wrestling world as well as far as social. Media and starting up a website starting up a small business. So the every wrestler has just a small business. That's all we are. We're just we're just trying to make our make our make our news and stuff. So I don't regret going to college. I got some debt from it, but hopefully I can use those skills I learned in push forward with that and the wrestling. So when you decided to go to Lance school and he accepted you, but what was it like for you to go to Calgary? For one, the famous rustling city and once again, like we said, the parallels of that's for Brian, your dad went to learn how to wrestle, what was that experience like? And the whole training. The aspect of that it was really cool going up to Calgary as you know, as soon as people heard, got word of it, you know, Bruce Hart was reaching out to me and stuffy. Yeah, he's come by the house. So I got to see where my dad used to live and stuff and where he used to hang out and and actually actually went to a club in Calgary in the city and the bouncer checking my passport and stuff because I actually got robbed my third day in Calgary. I got there early. I got there on like Friday and practice started Monday. So I had the weekend to kinda hang out and get to the city. And it was really beautiful too because it was like the beginning of September and like the terrible winner hadn't hit yet. So it was like perfectly beautiful out. And I went and was going into the gym, and I hadn't picked up a lock yet for like my back and I was like, you know what? I'll just put my wallet in my car. So I go to put my wallet, my glove box. And I guess as I'm walking away unlock instead of lock. 'cause I always kind of point at my caller and lock it, and you know some Hobo or somebody must have seen me do that. And he just when I was in the gym, he just went into my wallet, lost my debit card and my driver's license, all kinds of stuff. So luckily I had my passport at the house because my you know, everybody's like don't ever lose your passports. I wouldn't even bring it out. Because when you when you train with last, he has a house for the guys. Right? So so Lance has a the his house which holds five students. It's pretty nice. Actually. I wouldn't mind staying there. A lot of the guys developed some pretty cool friendships there and stuff, but he also has a network of renters that you ran out and I was staying with woman that he got a pretty nice woman that he had rented out from. But yeah, I had my passport went to the key went to the club and Calgary. Super nice. You know, there's a lot of cool places. Their guy looks my passport. He's like Coon aim, bro. I was like all thinks he's like, you know, like the wrestler, I'm like, yeah, I know. And I'm walking. He's like, you know, you kind of look like you kind of built like him too. I was like, I was like, yeah, I get that a lot. Just walk totally. No sold them. I got, you know, this is long line. On the way out. I kind of smart in them up. I was like, yeah, I'm up here training. You know, my dad and he was actually really upset because he thought my father was a Calgary native. He thought he was born and raised in. It was like, no, he's from Cincinnati, and that's where we're from. And all of that. They thought that they came from Calgary because that's where they started. Oh, yeah, yeah, but that's the first thing I saw today. Like when you came to meet me, we're doing soundcheck here at the venue and no VIP's and stuff, and I'm gonna look around and then I'm like a woman like cannon, which looked like, but not really. This is you walked him like you're built like nine pill, just a wide shoulder those and like the stocky legs. Very interesting to see that right away. People have a mullet. So actually the new, what the Mola we're at practice Atlanta's and he was giving, you know, he gives these lectures about just every aspect of the business, probably the most knowledgeable person in the business because he's just like, you know, just like a computer, you know. And he was like mullets were actually a functional haircut, so you could keep the hair on your eyes and still sell them really well with your with your hair. That's why I had a rat tail because I didn't want all that hair, but I still wanted to be able to sell really well. And that's where to, and then he always, you know, he goes onto something else and data for the mullet. It sounds like you know what it's going to be over his health, so it's functional. Yeah, I, I was. I was flipping my hair back in practice all the time. Yeah, I hate this. I hate doing that and I don't have to do that now. So it's great. But once again to that's a Brian pill, grew it out of the longer bandanna Ramat. Yeah. Would you think of training? How was that for you training? To be honest, I expected a slightly higher level of athletes up there, but he did have he did have about twenty kids. So I think in the past he was a little more selective on on who he allowed to train there, but there was there was about six or seven guys that were really, really keen really smart, really good, but you know, it wasn't as rigorous physically, you know, we did our conditioning and stuff, but it was very mental. You know, we, we had a lot of like a mental homework we had to work on. He wanted us to really think about the psychology and take it back to the roots of wrestling because he's like, when you go out to these India. Shows. He's like, you're not, you're people are going to tell you the wrong stuff. He's like they're gonna steer you the wrong way. I really wanna drill this into your head like how wrestling is supposed to be like how you're supposed to be in the moment and and how a lot of the greater moments in wrestling happened when you when you do things on the fly, and when you really go out there and just believe it's real and just pretend you're in a fight, he's like, what would you do? If this was a fight? Like, what would you actually, how would you naturally react? And he's like, if you just go out there and choreograph everything and he's like, that's not gonna. You know what I mean? It's not gonna, look genuine. It's not gonna look as intense intensity like like, when I see you when I watched like you and you in Ben wall and Japan, and it's just that intensity and just even Japanese wrestling today, it's like it looks like they're beating the hell out of each other and they may or may not be maybe a little bit stiffer than than your average match. But it's just they go out there and they just feel it out, you know. 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And the Westwood One podcast app free from the Westwood One podcast network. Take you play sports in high school at all or in college or so, I played high school football, and I was I was linebacker for the first couple of years, but I was I was only on JV I I wasn't as good at the at the passing game and all that and reading reading the the quarterback and all that. So my coach was like, look, you're, you're one of the one of the meanest hardest, you know, hidden dudes we need. We need you on this defense. Why don't you try defensive line? So I went to the d. line at one hundred eighty five pounds, and I was just manhandling dude. So it ended up in ended up being all star nose. Guard my father played nose guard at Miami of Ohio. So I was just like, this is so cool and they're just only parallels. I'm not. I'm not even trying to be like him, but at some things father-son. Yeah, the truly the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and that just comes to show. So a lot of a lot of similarities with him, a lot of things different to ended up playing lacrosse. My dad played hockey. So hockey wasn't as prominent. Lacrosse was growing starting to pick up in northern Kentucky, and it was funny because the referees, because it was a new sport in Kentucky, more or less, it's more of a northeastern Ivy league type of sport. They didn't know all the rules really. So I was taking my heart hitting football style into lacrosse and they were just like, well, whatever, you know, knocked kit out because you don't have all the pads on. I just have a few pads and you got a helmet and I actually knocked myself out one time just hitting somebody as I would in football because I wasn't sure got into college, played college across. We realize it's way more of a finesse sport, it's way more like soccer, basketball, totally not like football and I, I was like, it's not for me. Did you take to the wrestling training pretty naturally, then some things were natural things weren't, you know? Definitely just because I was so separated from growing up and kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. Just watching it. You know what I mean? So the mental aspects not so much. I still have a lot of homework on the to do on that. But I mean, my first drop kick, I ever threw. It was like it was like Lance looked at it and he just didn't say anything that that's when you know you did it right. If he criticizes you, then you did it wrong. But if he just says, okay, then you know you did it pretty good. So it's like some things like that. You know springboard off the top rope, you know, their appealed easy. Yeah, I, I tried to jump to the top. Yeah, I could never do that. Like like springboard cross body from the inside turnbuckle jumped to the top. You know what I mean? Little things like that. Like I could jump really high, you know, I can run pretty fast. Like I just have natural, you know, explosive athleticism. But as Lance would say, he's got, he's got, he's got all this power gotta. This supposedly issues like you just need to control it. You know, you just need to slow down. He's always like slowdown, grab a hold, you know. All right. You know, it's interesting and I'm sure if you told you this or not a big fan of of your dad. Remember literally when we were training back in nineteen ninety, the springboard clothesline a photographer was not something that everybody news called airfield. Remember last going over to the repealment. I bet you could do. And of course I would fall every time never got it right. And every time he would just like, oh, yeah, being, but that was him practicing the air pill, man? Yeah, I think it was Steve Gillespie. He's like, you know, I love Lance, but you know, really pissed me off every time I teach him. One of my moves he'd do better than me as I dry. Let's be didn't have a lot of moves. Did you meet a lot of people that knew your dad? You mentioned Bruce Hart. Did he tell you any stories or was it was cool and you know he would talk about, you know, all the different things. They used to do different stories about the stampede days as funny because like things he would tell me and different people will tell me would end up in that book too. So I'd be reading the book that that loop. Mark. Right. Oh, I heard about that already. Just firsthand from the people that were there just the different rim. You know, the Calgary ribs, and some of these ribs were just vicious that you heard about how so they said they were. They tricked my dad into doing a, he hated like doing little press things and they, they were like, yeah, we, we got you. You're going to go to the senior's home and and do a speech and talk to all the, you know, the senior citizens and all that. And they, they like totally signed him up for this. And he was like, come on guys, you know, I didn't want to do this. And I guess when he got back from it, they like they dressed up a dog and all his wrestling gear, and they put a bucket of water on top of the door. So it's like he goes into the hotel or wherever they're staying bucket of water drops on them. There's a dog running around with all his wrestling gear on. He's like, what the heck's going on. This old, Calgary ribs, and there there's way worse ones, obviously. Those are some of the more. Yeah, exactly. Did you what did you think of? I think it was just called flying. Brian was Liam, Liam or works book be? I think he called crazy like a FOX. FOX's, Tom Sawyer. Pretty cool starting to read that at some point, the forgot that I had it. So no, these stories, there was very honest story about portrayal of your dad, right? Yeah, very accurate. I talked to Steve Austin about it. He said, very accurate. You know, maybe one of the one of the things that wasn't so accurate was when they were forming the Hollywood blonds dusty came and said, look, you guys are gonna tab gather. And I think in the book it mentioned that Steve didn't wanna do it, or he was kind of like politicking out of it, but he's like, no, no, no, I was totally Ford from the get-go. He told me he's like, he's like, when I came in, your dad was already a star. He's like, I looked up to him. He's like, I wanted to be a part of him. He's like, you know, you walk into the gym and you knew he was somebody you know what I mean? Just saw somebody that was a star and stuff. But so if our reading the book, it's it's awesome because you re you read this book about your father's life. You never knew your father. Right? Never knew he was reading about him and you're just like, is that like it's so much like me, you know what I mean? Like just stupid little antics. I've done when I was younger and my progress. In wrestling and stuff, and I'm just like, well, that's just that's something I would do you know what I mean? I never had the chance to like mimic ham or grow up being raised by emissions, all natural genetics still generically right here. But I mean, Dave Meltzer I think rated that that is like the best or his website rather rated as the best wrestling book ever. And I think that's because it was written by somebody that's not a worker. It was written by journalists, so it was more or less. It's as if like Dave wrote a book, you know, to me, it's going to be more or less factual and less about exaggerating and making up, you know, cool stories. And you know, so it's like the real stories and stuff. So. And you said that you spoke to Steve. Did you call him or did you do is show or how did you get to know him? Yeah. So Steve Austin's, really the reason why is just I said, screw it. I'm gonna get into wrestling hell. What happened. I was I was on Twitter and I really just liked to re tweeted something random. And he happened to have caught me on Twitter and just followed me, and I was like, holy crap, followed by stone cold. Steve Austin is pretty cool. You DM me. He's like, hey, buddy. Her brother, you know, I got this belt of your dad's. It wasn't arresting about it was a weightlifting Bill, do your squats or you're dead lifts with and it says flying on the back of it. It's out my house. I want you to have it. I'm gonna mail it to you. I was like, wow, I was like, super cool. You know. So I get the belt and it's got a, it's got one of the the, the ranch, broken school ranch hats in it. So you know, hooked me up a little merch too, and I'm like, wow, this is so cool. But on of course it fits perfectly and all that. And I'm just like, well, if that's if that's any sign to start looking into getting into wrestling, I don't know what is you know what I mean? You get your first ballot. It's almost like getting your first championship, you know, it's like, but it's a weightlifting belt, so I kind of relate that to that. I still use it everyday. It's really thick, durable other, you know, it'll go a long way. So I, I was like. That's so cool. And then after after I just recently injured my knee, it was the weirdest thing ever I was. I was, you know, rock bottom super, super upset. Three, four months of bookings, just have to cancel them sitting at the end of my bed. This is like, you know, last Thursday, whatever. I get a call from Steve, just out of the blue. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm just like, perfect timing. I needed that. So he kind of gave me some advice on the business and and how he had his problems with his knee and stuff. And he's just like he said, if there's one thing I can tell you about wrestling, he's like, just just remember this. This ACDC song, it's a long way to the top. If you wanna rock and roll. Did you hurt? Is this the new that you today? Yeah, so my my left knee. Yeah, I I was I was just doing something simple. You know, good old kicks in the corner, and I thought I'd be a little innovative and do the little pop up off the bottom rope and and make it look a little more devastating. But I just came to practice at cross fit from four to five, and it's an hour drive to date in practices at six thirty. So literally just showered cross fit came straight here and you need to get that runner's high when you do when you do a high intensity workout. So I was just really ready to go. I actually crazy practice. I actually worked on one of the Northern Lights to my repertoire with with the roll the roll over that Ricky does, but I was thinking maybe do that. But transition is something else. You know, just trying to add some moves because you know it's two thousand eighteen. You gotta have fifty move training. Lance was like, have three moves. All right, drop kick power, slam German. That's that's only and that got me. By for awhile, but I'm like work at all these Indies. They want me to start slapping my leg. Shit. I gotta gotta step it up so you know, adding some different stuff and then the last ten minutes of practice, we're like, hey, let's do a six man tag because there's just six of us in the ring and and the older guys like the coaches had left or whatever. And some guys are doing promos and the other room and other guy gets go, go have some open ring time. All right. Well, we'll six man tag and we were the heels working on some of the newer guys. Don't even think they've had any matches yet. We're just, you know, beating them up and some boots on them. And yeah, just just have just having too much fun in the ring and not thinking and I, it's, it's funny because we try to tell ourselves, you don't think too hard. Go out there and live in the moment and have fun, but sometimes that's when you when you get injured. Yeah, every movie. Do you have to be paying attention to fundamental? So what did you do to it? It was a hyperextension. So you know how your knee bends at just bent the other way and came down on it. Like I said, I was popping off the bottom rope. When I landed, my leg was fully extended and it went backwards the other way and it pulled out my PCL which fortunately is not as crucial as ACL. Oh, they don't even repair it. So they said they're gonna let that he'll up, but he wants to go in surgically and just check on the meniscus. He said the, they couldn't tell from the MRI whether the meniscus was torn. Inaba said there might be a root tear there, so they just wanna make sure. 'cause they're like, look, you're young if we can fix this meniscus, repair it surgically, we're going to do that because if you don't, you might think you're fine. But over time you're gonna get arthritis. And by the time you're forty need a knee replacement. So they're like, look, let's just take care of the meniscus if it needs it, if it doesn't need it, they're going to pull out, close it up. And so how long you have to be out for two three months. If the meniscus is fine if they want to repair them. In this case, it's going to be six months total. The first six weeks I'd be off of it had crutches and stuff. It's frustrating when you're young. Oh yes, she, but because you just basically started. How many matches have you had? So I've had about, I wanna say twenty-six. Okay. But I had like one night. I had like four matches in one night, but you know, it was kind of like, you know, it was done story. I kind of structured it as one big match. So I don't really count that his four home matches. But yeah, I've had about twenty six, twenty seven zero. A lot of work in this area, believe it or not just being in Cincinnati. I'm so so central that there's just within like a four to five hour circle. There's a lot of lot of Indies to work. A lot of places to go. A lot of people are curious to see what I can do in the ring and stuff, and and you know, it was really nervous to inlands warned me about that. Just being having that name. He's like, people, people are gonna. They're gonna tear you down man. He's like, if you're if you're bad, if you go out there and just and shit the bed, he's like, they're gonna. They're gonna crucify. And that really scared me. And I thought about wearing a mask. I thought about changing my name. Like I said, my very first match. I used a different name and then when I went out there for the first time with my with my real legal shoot name, I was like, you know what? These people don't hate me. Love me. You know, I'm not the best. Obviously, you know my my second or third match. I used Bryant home in the second everywhere I've gone. People have wanted me to come back. So that's all I can ask for. I know there's a lot of rough edges clean up, but if the fans are going home happy and they wanna see me again and the bookers and promoters are happy, then I'm happy and everybody's. What could be not a detriment being the second generation you obviously you're gonna get compared, but but if you're good, that's going to help you being appeal man? Yeah. If you're the shit's, it's gonna probably hurt you to be just getting a chance, but is if you can take that name value in in harvest that it's going to help your career. Oh, yeah, you know. And that's the good thing about it. And I, I got the pleasure of meeting Cody Rhodes when I was in Canada booked on a show in Calgary him and his him and his girlfriend or wife rather, sorry were booked on a show up there and he was like, hey, man, look, look, you know, I, I know all about it. You know, the guys like us, we're, we're held to a higher expectation and he's like, it doesn't hurt you that your father passed away. He's like people, they miss him and stuff. He's like, he's like, don't take advantage of it, but he's like, it's not gonna hurt you. He's like, yeah, he's like he's like the fact that that you're somebody that's trying to start, you know, and you're trying to pay your dues and. He can go to the right training and stuff. He's like, you're doing all the right things, you know. So he was really nice to meet and talk talk to. We sat down on the floor and you know how nice little talk about that. So many second generation wrestlers them. You look at Orton and you look at, you know, all the Samoan guys, Roman reigns. Everybody like that. Once in a while, you'll get a guy like David flair that just doesn't connect. But I found that most second generation wrestlers are pretty good. And even though you didn't grow up in the business per se, he mentioned before it's just in your genes genetically cut out for it. You know, where did you? What was your first match? My very, very first matches. Alex King was in the CW AI warehouse against Cody hawk who was actually the trainer of dean Umbro's so that that's his credibility goes there, and it was really cool, you know, call it all on the fly. That's how those older older guys are. And to me, that's that's a really intense fun way to wrestle. And then my second match our was December thirtieth. I was like, look, I'm coming out in the second. Wrestled a kid. I was eighteen years old. Had already been wrestling three years, super knowledgeable. You know, we, we spotted out a bunch of cool stuff. I actually did a springboard sunset flip, which Lance told me to do. He was like, look, do this. Nobody does this. He's like, nobody actually goes up to the top into the sunset. They're gonna think you're going to go for like a move, but you're right, you know, catch him in a penalty. Alright, so did that actually did your move? Which people, I guess, call it the triangle drop kick or the springboard Roskam Twitter. Now. I always love when you when they it's called the triangle drop you like really. At that vented, it man that so actually I didn't invent Ultimo. Dragon was the first guy do that from the second row, but I used to do it right from the top. Oh, and then as I got older and I would fell a couple times, you would actually run and jump straight without a post, and then I realized it's the same this when you do on from the second, it's funny you bring that up that you quit doing it from the top. I was. I was looking at some of your old Japan stuff and you did the lion soul to the outside of the ring. And I know did you stop doing that? Because triangle position like running, like you're gonna do drop because the second, but then flipping over the top. And I don't remember who gave me the idea that I did it for years, but the last time I did, it was a pay per view. I had against Ben one ninety six. I think it was my first WW pay per view, and I tried it and I misjudged they came down kind of on the apron, and it was like, that's enough of that. Looks it looks risky. Did it quit all throat ninety? Four and ninety five? Okay, so but you know. When you're younger shit, you know. Do you do that? That is obviously your dad was one of the pioneers of high flying. You look back now and it's very archaic. No, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But is that your style you? Are you flying like he was or I, I really enjoy looking at guys that are current wrestlers today that are my my size, my height, you know what they're doing. Kind of that hybrid style guys, like Kenya, mega guys like yourself that can kind of do it. All and land kind of broke down means like, look, you're not huge. You're not small, you're right down the middle. He's like, you're gonna have to do whatever people want you to do, whatever it calls for big man matches little matches. He's just try to learn everything. I was very curious about more of the technical side. You know, like I wanted to learn different legholds and stuff like that, but I do. I do like I do have a pretty nice drop kick. I like to utilize that. I like to utilize a good snap power slam kind of taking a page out of Randy Ordonez book and I wanted to land. I wanted to learn German, like mid, he told me he's like, don't do German if you're just gonna laugh. In on your back and then bridge up. He's like, it's not a German. He's like a real German is when you land in the bridge on your head, and it looks really pretty, and I'm like, look, I'm gonna do that. I promise you. So he wouldn't let us do it at his training because he wanted to be breaking her neck, but I started utilizing it in my matches and it went over pretty well. You just I'm very flexible. I got a nice bridge. So working on, you know, at indifferent, different suplexes and stuff. Just utilizing my flexibility. I think I've done like over two hundred classes of hot yoga. Super. I, it's a crazy freak accident that I got injured because I'm just like always keeping my body. Finally two, whether it's cross fit or yoga and stuff. But but yeah, I think I have a very hybrid mic style. Is my fourth or fifth match? I don't know if you've heard of the wrestler, Joey. Genoa. Independent. Yeah. He was like, look, he's like, I know you know, you don't wanna get hurt or anything, but I want you to just jump to the top cross body to the outside. I'm gonna push in the barricade dive over the barricade. I'm like, all right, let's do it. So it's like Lance is teaching us. All right, don't do all these dogs and everything. Just keep it. Basically, fourth match, third match. I've already done to dives outside. Here's the difference though. You learned properly. You understand the foundation, the foundation, the initial stages of psychology. So you know that it's too, but you're doing it because like you mentioned, you have to make a name do, but that's going to end up in the long run, helping you become a much better performance because you're going to figure that out very quickly would sometimes days guys years to figure out. Yeah, you know, I had joy on the show and he's, he's another just kind of whether it's just these making all this stuff happened just by making it happen, he just gets it. Yeah, exactly. So is there you're gonna try. And go like worldwide to talk to the UK sort of an idea you strong to stick to the states for now. So I'm really interested in just the Japanese the route I, I really enjoy their wrestling. I always end up watching Okada or or Kenny or Shibata. You know what I mean? So I really like that style. I almost it my my suspension of disbelief is almost instant when they watch those matches and I, I just get lost in it. So I've had the opportunity through through somebody to perhaps censored film over to to Guito and maybe get get on with their with their program over there, but, but that's obviously going to be on hold right now with my injury and I, I do want to. I do want to generate some some really high quality matches and footage before I start sending stuff over there. So which is smart. You know, it's interesting to think about something you did you tied with David Smith junior, or are you going to or. So you know everybody in their brother claims to be a promoter Booker nowadays. So I was contacted by a gentleman in London, and he said, hey, we're going to bring in contacted Harry Smith. We're gonna tag is together and all that, but but that fell through. So it was, it was cool. I got to meet Harry up in Calgary, so we hung out a couple of times. One time was at a show. He was book on Jeff Jarrett were on the show are CW wasted it. Actually, there's a couple of headlines I was I was present for up there. It was the one where Jarrett was was drunk or whatever, but God bless them. You know, he's, he's got help and everything hall of fame so proud of him. But the other one was in Harry, save that woman's life on the bridge. Tell us so so Harry, you know, he's, he's dressed in this blue fool. Komono suit, looks like a superhero when he shows up to the shows. That's, you know, he dresses when he shows his wrestling shows, he's in full white mink for just the whole, the. Whole twenty yards of how how luxuriance can. And he's like, yeah, he's like you wanna meet up and watch the pay per view tonight. I can't remember which one it was, but I was going to hang out with Bruce Hart and Harry and Diana. Yup. No, his mother and there were that someone one of the old TV dot TV, but cameraman that worked for stampede. So just a mold friends getting together. And I was like, all right, so I'll meet you there. I get there and he's like meet there at six thirty. We'll take seven o'clock. He's not there yet. You know, pay per view about to start and maybe start something like where's the at? And finally, they pull up and he comes in the house and him in him and his mother, and he's just shaking. And we're just like everything. Alright, he's like, hey, man. He's like, you got one other one of those beers. I just need to chill out. So I give him a beer and you just sit down and it's just like he's on his phone. He's like, you know, like this dudes like shake and I'm like, what's going on? And then finally break it down and he's like, yeah, I just saved this woman's life off this bridge who's going to commit suicide. We were driving by and you can just imagine like he looks like a superhero. He gets out of the car. He's six foot five. Dives honor, you know, probably puts her in some jujitsu move and just like, you know, you can't escape. So don't even try just expert. I couldn't escape if that man, he's, he's an absolute monster and just what are the nicest people. And he told me all the cool restaurants to go to the Persian food. And there's a little bit of a connection between you guys because his dad passed away, obviously, Davey and team together for years, you know, I, it's almost like you could start a club with with Ben was son and with. Own son, his son. I don't know if he's even knows anything, but what's going on with restaurant remember. But this whole crew guys that have all passed away and have these these sons that are around, you know, there's so much potential with the hearts. Like you said, there's so many hearts in Calgary, like John Hart, Matt heart. You know, all these, you know, they had twelve kids and then those twelve kids each had twelve case. So it's like. So it's like five hundred arts and. Yeah, you never. You're never done meeting them all and and stuff. But yeah, a lot of a lot of potential with people, and I think some people, some people don't want to do the same thing that their parents did or maybe they're, you know, they're tired of being compared to their to their through their parents and so they want to, they want to branch out into different things, and I understand that and all that. And you know, maybe maybe if I grew up with my father, I might have been the same way like all know. You know, my dad's trying to show wrestling down my throat, push it, push it away, but but since I was taken away from it for so long, it's like maybe he's like, I'm a starving forever for my whole life. I was starving. And now it's like all these fans or connecting with me. And it is your mother still alive? Yes. Oh mother, you know, it's quite a long story with her. Haven't had the best relationship with her, you know, without getting into too many details, just a lot of neglect in abuse from my stepfather ended up moving out of the house when I was thirteen live with my best friend, Paul for a couple of years. Yep. And live with him and his single mother who took care of me more than anyone had at that point. And that's when my my grandmother passed away. So then my aunt which is my dad's sister, her name is Linda Filmon. She's basically my guardian angel. The closest thing I've ever had to other and she came down and took care of me. She bought a whole house with her, you know, with her whole retirement, you know, just bought a house right off the front cash. You know, here you go. Who was like? I want you to be able to go to this high school. You know, really nice highschool at Dixie heights and keep your friends and keep playing football and lacrosse and stuff. So I've really got to thank her for just having that foundation for me in the same sense, like her mother, my grandmother did that for my dad, you know, like have a base for him or he could stay while he was pursuing wrestling and stuff like that. What did what is your at, Linda think of what you're getting into the business? Oh, she loves it. And it's funny because growing up, I would've never thought that how much she knows like she knows a lot about wrestling and stuff like she even knows all the lingo, but she would never. Say that around me, but now that I'm in the business, she liked gets it all, you know. So it's cool and she's, she told me all your dad. He, he tore his shoulder. He was out for three months and he was studying. It's like, you know, it's like literally the same story. You know, like tear out my neom. We offered three to six months, so, and it's it's so different. Alec you guys used to have to like mail each other tapes and stuff like you guys have to. You have to send mail and I, I've never sent mail on my whole life so I have the luxury of just looking up online. Oh, I wanna watch AJ. I wanna watch. I want watch these guys. I just do it at the click it a finger, and I think a lot of us younger guys. We take that for granted. You know, we, we think all know. I'll just look it up later something we don't actually realize how much work you guys put in to to build this industry to really just create it. You know, you guys did so much. Gee, whatever watch your dad's stuff. Yeah, I, I watch a lot of it. It's funny because I always ask people, what is your? What are your top ten favourite best wrestling matches of all time. And they always include my dad's mashed with lighter on there, and I've probably watched that match five hundred times because I'm just like what was the most innovative thing in high flying at that period of time? And you watch it and it's like, okay, and then you washed up today and it's like, oh my gosh, you know, just interesting match have versus ligers. Yeah, no, it's always funny when you see guys that you knew and their kids are growing up, and I'm not quite that generation with and own those guys, but it's still pretty cool to me. I remember going to pay per view in late nineteen ninety at the silver dollar action centre in Calgary summer, slam it see this little kid running around dirt over his face just causing shit is probably three or four years old and it was airy, no. You know what I mean? But the best film and match for me was the five on five, Calgary, stampede match the papers for w. eight. Okay. The Hart foundation? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Crowd reaction was insane. Brian was such a good character. Yeah, I think that's why there's been this resurgence in interest it Brian pill Mun a when he was younger. He was a great rest, but his older and if you got hurt, he relied more on his personality and character very important. I think that speaks to the longevity of people's careers. You know, just like, you know, it's not all about the moves and stuff like people at home is your dad's finisher. I'm like, have finished us back. Then the air Pullman was just a signature move. You know, he did a lot of head scissor stuff and he, he dove on people and job kicks, but but back then it was more about getting the crowd in the palm your hands. And I feel like his greatest talent was he owned the crowd. You know what I mean? He just had them in his grasp, very believable character. You know? And of course, the famous story where. Did you hear the podcast, Dave Meltzer boat? Oh yeah, I loved it. Just the fact he was able to work the whole industry into getting w w Bischoff to fire him because he was trying to work everyone. They got fired, and then taking those fire papers and going to get hired by Vince. I mean, it's one. It's one of the most genius double crosses of. He will work in the worker. Can never happen again. You know? No, no, not with all the all the bells and whistles incorporate red tape and day. But, gee, I wonder how he would have tackled social media because I've actually, I've read an article that he was on AOL and had like a fan base on AOL group chat. So it's like he was social media before social media recession, media, you know? So it was doing all this before Facebook and he kind of had them and he would feed them stuff. Whether it was a worker, you know, stuff in my mom would you know, kind of mandate the groups while he was on the road and stuff like, oh, you know, he's coming in a couple of days and stuff. So I was wondering, I mean, he would have just owned social media so he would have found a way because like so many people tell me all your dad was ten, twenty years ahead of his time. And I'm like, well, what would that be like today? What would he have been today? So a lot of ways I think you're right ahead of his time, which is why he was able to pull it off. You know, like you said to me, I remember. Actually devote my fourth book. She's just came out of Skuld knows a four letter word and it's principles of things that I've learned over the years on how I made it in, did others different things. And they're all bits of advice that either I got from person a fictional character, famine, irreverent, one of them is the Brian Tillman principle, which is he always wanted if you wanted to vacate, do something out to citizens have been done before down before. And that's what he told me in only very minimal interactions. I only met maybe one day his last day and he CW was my first basically, and that's the only time we ever interacted, and that was the advice that he gave me and I just never forgot it, but very, very smart piece of piece of intelligence there for sure. Yeah. I remember hearing on the podcast and me and my buddy kinda speculated, but now ask you what, what was that one thing that you think you did in your career that that nobody else had done? It's just one thing. I think it's always just playing against against. Type, you know, always reinventing myself always, you know, different costumes. If our different log every week or whatever it may be just trying to be different different else. And if you look through my body of work, there is differences different move here. They're different. Look, different personality, completely ditching, you know, all this, why? Tuesday character and coming on a suit and tie me very quiet, be very angry and you know, very, very pill. And like even this year wanna do the thing with Kenya. Mega Meltzer said it was a very pill thing. Everybody show up. Yeah, you know, but that wants to influence guy that's been gone for so many years. But here you are coming in. The thing that I like, I like you've just met today is obviously smart. You got a college degree. You're not just some guy that's like just trying to make a couple of bucks brother like you have making this decision, but you also did it very smart with this pressure of being a pill, man. Yeah, it's funny. I just talked about having. And having a backup plan. When I when I met Christian at create a pro, one of the one of the matches I create a pro is Pat buck in curt Hawkins. They have a school in in the northeast. Yeah, Zork tristen came into being a trainer gets they actually did a. They did a show. They did like a charity show. And Christian was like a guest like meet and greet title. I met him and it was funny. He was like, I did the opposite. He's like, I like I took out my student loans and didn't go to college. He's like, I, I didn't want to back up plan. He's like, I wanted to even fail or just, you know, he, he, he's like my only option was to succeed in wrestling. So I kind of like that and I was like, you know what? I wish. But in a way everything you know though, because I meant Jesse the body Ventura on the street in Winnipeg one day, just walking on the street, like holy shit is just to the vendor, and he was really cool. He hung out with me way longer than I would ever hang out with some kid that came up to me on trying to get rid of the kid. But he said, you know, you gotta have something to fall back on and I went into journalism school, but the skills I learned in journalism paid off even what we're doing right now. So everything that you've done, we'll help you in the business, like you mentioned, knowing social media and technology and all the stuff too smart move. Who were some of your favorites when you when you started really watching wrestling? So when I was younger, I was, I loved, I loved the hardy boys, obviously just loved him to death. I eat. I try not to be a super Mark when I go to these shows and meet people because like all them in the business. Now, you know, trying to ask him for a picture, but but I couldn't help, but get picture with Matt and Jeff, and you've met them before in the coolest thing was at the at the memorial shows when. A young kid. I know you, you repair one of them. One of the early ones and I, I went in out them out with them in their entrance with the heart of San leader and everything. Yeah. So there is, I think these early on, so I was probably five or sales. These are one of the very first ones because they, they went on a hiatus for a while and then ten years later they did another one and I was thirteen and ninety nine. So tiny, nine. So I would have been, yeah, been six or seven. Yeah. And so I've always had a soft spot for for Matt and Jeff and just meeting them. It was cool because they had just got dead just went to wrestlemainia and got those belts, but they did Abebe was like, look, you can finish your indie days. And I think it's cool that there's so much crossover now like this would have never happened. You know, years ago would never let you go somewhere else and you know they're, they're starting to realize that the competition is benefiting everyone, you know. So they let them finish out there any dates. I'm like, holy crap. All tag team titles hanging out with them. And you know, just just in this is before I even started training, you know. So just kind of just enjoying that. But b, I really enjoy them. Obviously, like watching my dad and stuff. I really like I'm very inspired by Kenny omega. I don't. I don't know what what it is. Maybe he reminds me a little bit of my father, you know, obviously, you do. Yeah, I do want your moves in the ring. So clearly I'm inspired by by your you and just your hybrid that hybrid style of just being able to do it all and and just also the the larger than life personality. I think I, I really relate to that kind of that rockstar lifestyle, or, you know, just going out there and being so confident that people just hate how confident you are. You know what I mean? You're right. Leading confidence that it's just like they, they wish they had it. So it's like you're almost like you're, you're almost a he'll, but you're really like, people want to be used. So you're really not a, he'll you know, you're just like, I love you, but I hate that. I love you. You know. Do you now that you're, you have the injury for three months? What are you? Gonna? Do you're going to study something or it seems like you're not just going to sit there. Yeah, yeah. So actually my I have this idea that was going to do, and I was watching some demon like, oh, and Crispin wall stuff. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to actually take a like a PowerPoint or something, and I'm going to find every hold I can and it'll probably just be a bunch of slides at dean, but like I'm gonna you know, I saw TJ Perkins doing some cool stuff, and I just really want to step up my technical game because I think I could do that injured. I could find a buddy and just put holds on them and you know, not not not be running around, so I'm gonna do that. I'm going to do a slide show. I'm gonna take a picture and put different holds. I'm going to name them all because so many of them don't have names. You know, we just do them and we don't even think about it, but commented on Jay's picture. I was like, oh, what do you call that? A curve crab because it was like a single web crab, but he hadn't cravat hold on it and he was like, oh, I didn't even think about that. We'll we'll call it that. So I'm gonna just name all these holds. I'm gonna try to get a foul. Thousand of them. By the time I'm back thousand hold sound and one thousand four holes, but forgot about seven hundred. You're going to be the literal thousand nine of those. Good exercise and just just taking notes on matches. You know, different ways to get into stuff like like I, you know, watch mash unit j AJ he's just phenomenal. Right? And that's the word is striving stuff. Yeah. And it would, you know, wouldn't matter what he will or what he did. It's just it's just he's just good as good. Yeah, he's one of those special talents different ways to get into those setups with that with with different drop kicks and stuff. You know, I try to keep it simple. You know, I, I don't. I'm not the the flippy est person ever. I do want to be. I aspire to do the things you know to have all the moves that Ricky has. I know that that kids wrestled for twenty, you know, fifteen years and he's, you know, we still really young. So I mean, it takes time, you know, it takes time to add to your repertoire safely add to your repertoire. I, I got injured doing a kick in the corner, you know? So it always. So I just got a slowdown. I think I was. I think I was going to fast. Everybody goes too fast, but there's not. You just can't help. Not not just in the ring just just with getting booked and travel. You know what I mean? Just not even second guessing where I'm working. I went to a show, you know, not not trying to dog on any promoters or anything, but I get there in. You get paid right off the bat, but they had to cancel the show, four hundred something fans or in this building shows suppose start seven thirty, but the doctor didn't show up. So it's like I need a vet any vet where I'm going more. I need to slow everything down. And I think that this was my wakeup call. This was my putting the brakes on it so to speak. I would have rather have like slowly put the brakes on it and said of rear ending somebody. But I just went right at somebody. And now I gotta you know, pay the insurance and pay the medical bills. And what's your, what's your overall plan? What's your end game? I think I think I wanna make this into make this into a career obviously, but where the whoa, yeah. Yeah. We all wanna make it to to the WWE. And I, I think I think that would be a great place for me just so many guys would would be willing to to help. Navigate that that political structure, you know, guys, like regal guys, like, I think it's funny. I actually go ahead and say this now I believe that triple h change my diapers when I was a kid. So. So, yeah. So I think the the one year that they were in WCW together, I tried to add up the cause. My mother told me this, right? So sometimes she says, things they may or may not be true, but but I when I met Shad Gaspard he's like, you better. Tell him that when you meet him, that'll be cool. So I think I think just as far as coming back to the wrestling family, I think going to the WB is his where a lot of my father's friends and family members, Brian is almost everybody liked him. You know, you mentioned regal the talked to regal. Yeah, so I got in touch with regal and he, he actually before I started training with Lance, he offered for me to tour the performance center. So I went down there and checked it out was like, wow, it's amazing, you know, and I'm not. I'm not someone that's just going to be like, hey, you know, give me a job, you know. So I was like, you know, I talked to one of their producers, Ryan cats, and he was like, he was like lances a great place to go get your nation. And he was like, when you're ready, you know, just send us some stuff when you're ready and I've yet to send them anything. I want my first impression. With them to be to be just top notch and you gotta look up to, like I said, if you show some potential, you'll get a shot. Yeah, because a you deserve it and you've earned it and be there's a lot of goodwill towards towards Brian Tillman. Yeah, sometimes at p. word potential you can be. It can be harmful and yeah, and everybody's blowing that you know blowing that smoke up of me and and they got all this potential, this pedigree, but but I think I think it really started to show when I when I stepped through the curtain for the first couple of times and I was like, okay, I've really do have somewhat of an factor. It's not just a bunch of people that loan smoke them. Yeah, you know, do you think that I would say to some of the guys, there's no rush, you know, WBZ not going anywhere. Yeah. Would you rather to around, do AJ did do it's KENNY'S doing or would you rather go quicker to the WB? What's what's kinda curious, your thoughts? I think I would benefit from a just like, you know, having gone to college in had had a corporate job before. I think I would benefit from the structure the WWE. I think it would ground me. I think I'm somebody that without without those limitations and without that added discipline, I might not progress as quickly, but I also do enjoy the freedom of independence in the traveling and then going different places and and really experiencing that and not everybody has the name and stuff the ability to market themselves worldwide. But you know, like fat people in in France in Europe, contact me in Germany to go over there. So it's like, why not? You know what I mean? Why not travel? Why not send some tapes over to new Japan and just see what I. Can do maybe get get involved with their program because like you said, WBZ not going anywhere. Got some some ties and some connections there and and that to me like you look at, you know, you look at guys that like AJ you know, ricochet they wrestled for fifteen twenty years before they ever made it there, but they were the best wrestlers ever before they went there, but that's like, yes, Joe, you guys like that. So it's like there's any look at my dad. It didn't matter what acronym he was working for. He was always on top, you know, top of his game and always trying to be the best, whether it was easy WWW you know, NWEA whatever WWF it was. You're always trying to be the best you can be. And I think if you try to live a life where you're, oh, I'm gonna make it to this destination, and then I'm, I've made it. Then you're gonna. You're gonna fall by the wayside. It should just be a constant always always trying to be on top and and the different places you go. There's no final destination. You know, like you are now a singer in Iraq star. Like you might not have thought that when you arresting and stuff. If you're like, oh, I'm just going to try and make to WB, but but now you're just like keeping going and going doing new things, different avenues. And with technology, we have the ability to to branch out into those things more easily. And I think that's what it's going to be last few things. What's the? What did you learn the most from the legacy of your dad reading these books, watching videos interviews that you've seen like the most about my dad. What? What did you learn from him from this business? As characters and left lettuces them of mindset. I mean, is there something that by Brian pill and your dad, I guess you from? Yeah, on the grave. So, yeah. Yeah, I, I guess the the biggest thing I've learned and it's kind of helped me grow growing up without a father is probably the one of the most detrimental things too young man just because sure. And I hate to say this, but a single mother cannot raise a boy to be a man that she can raise a boy and feel like you see that in our gener- in our generation today, see a lot of soft soft guys, you know, growing up and I think what I've learned. From his story is just how tough he was and how how hard and how much of it was truly an alpha. He was an alpha male and I, it's because he sought out mentors. He sought out guys, like Kim would, yes, he sought out all these older men who who really live that, you know tough lifestyle and really grew up with that. So I think that's the biggest lesson without him. I need to find a older guys in the business guys that that express their masculinity and don't don't hold back in early, like you said, like say, no, you know, no one to say no. Like so many people. They wanna be the nice guy. They wanted to favors for everybody, but you gotta know when to say, no, you gotta know into stick up for yourself and and he was a fighter too. He was a tough son of a gun. I mean, you read that book. It's like he was a streetfighter. He, you know, he break people's arm at the bar. They talk and he was, you know, it wasn't huge guy back then. You know, it's crazy to think that I go to shows in wrestling and people consider me huge and I'm to fifty to fifteen. Yeah, shape too. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, I just I, you know, I just need to keep that. Keep that mental mindset of being on top and being a strong and knowing when to tell people know and people want me to come out and work for free. Just be like, you know, like, you know, this is a business like my father didn't die for wrestling. So I could go work your Indy for zero dollars. 'cause you think, oh, I'm going to get some exposure. You know, it's like in a lot of guys, they're working for free now and Lance hates that. He's like, he's like, if you leave here, don't go work freeze. I, you know, killed our business and stuff. And and I just think it just it's place to the social, the social culture of today and and we need to, we need to bring back our roots and and go back and talk to Lance at all. Yeah, I miss his all the time and and he's busy with students, but he always gets back to and it's funny because he's really Hobie short with you and messages. But when he talked him in person, he could just talk for hours and they can't get him to shut up. But it's like he, I guess he doesn't like typing. But as soon as you talk to them in person, it's like, you know, he can go on forever. He loves. He loves talking, but just so much and he's willing to impart it to, you know, you got some of these old school guys that. They want you to figure it out. You know, they wanna speak in riddles and stuff, but the Lance isn't like that. He really, really this breaks it down and you know, he's a great teacher. I think he was definitely made to do that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he trying w he trained. He brought up a lot of the women on the women draws through it and the WGN stuff. He just any any of these very good at teaching specifically the women on how to be how it'd be better workers, better athletes and stuff. So I think he's benefiting this industry as a whole. Last question. What's your favorite match that you've ever had? My favorite match I've ever had is probably my twenty six. My most recent one where I won my first champion. So yeah, so it's funny. I had my technically my first match on December eighteenth which is stone colds birthday, and then I won my first belt on March sixteenth, which is Austin three sixteen day. So I won this bell and it's funny because they didn't even tell me I was going to win it. They're just like, yeah, we're going to Jonathan's going to defend his title, Jonathan. And wolf, and it was actually the first time I wrestled somebody for the second time. So you know the first time it's like, okay, we, we're timing was off on a few things, but then you get that person's timing. So then this one was even better. So this is the first time I've had the chance to improve upon working with somebody and you know, we, we got it was a no d. q. match. We got all our shit in had so much fun. DDT him onto the floor. You know it was. It was cool and his goes the WCW. Oh, championship w. w w w. Oh yeah. World world class wrestling outlaws and Indianapolis promotions has been around for thirty years or something. Yeah. So his father wrestled and his father father wrestled, and they've kind of it's the kid arrested, wolf had John so his, his grandfather was Indiana kid, I believe. And he, I k three, the third generation and he's only eighteen but kicking work. You got all you go to these matches long time. Getting work, doesn't kid. He's my vet and he's, he's calling all the speech calling all the stuff on the fly, but he's letting me call. Stuff and, and that's that's why I think it was my best match because we had a bunch of spots. But if we just did our spots, it would have been a ten minute match. We want it's twenty four minutes. I've only had one other Twenty-three minute match, but always enjoy going as long as I can. Maybe one day I can go our. Get blown up good stuff, man, you're the WCW champion Brian film. In the second dude, you got to go. You got a lot of a lot of good things coming for you in the future, and I appreciate your brother. I've had. It's been quite a uplifting time here. You know, like I said, it was kind of devastated with my injury, but if I can kind of keep marketing myself in stay on the social media and work on my my whole book and stuff. Yeah, few learn thousand holes. Do. List them. Man, I fo- Bryant Bilman the second on Twitter, he's at fly in Bryant, junior, so you can check him out in the ring, wants his knees, flea rehab, which it is. 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AEW's Chief Brand Officer Brandi Rhodes

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1:16:38 hr | 1 year ago

AEW's Chief Brand Officer Brandi Rhodes

"Off go all right. Welcome talk is jericho with is the pod of thunder and rock and roll and it's time for the duff off the kagan joke of the week chris jericho stepping kagan. <hes> you know i just dropped my daughter may off at college dorm and <hes> there's the female gender jarrett female gender asked if i wanted to smoke weed with her and i said no i can't hang with a high maintenance will thank you very much by high. Maintenance woman. Yeah got a high maintenance wool mom gala high maintenance well-known. Thanks jeff another classic. Go check him out. This fall when the tenders tour comes back to the states starting september twenty fifth duff and the band or in europe right now actually in the u._k. 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I'm taking on hangman pays for the awa world championship kenny omega versus pock the young bucks versus the the hermanos deluce blue-chip brothers in a ladder match cody rose versus john spears and so much more said brandy is in the casino royale battle royal match and brandies also talks jericho this week. She's not just an awa performance host the chiefs brandy officer and she's heading up the women's division with kenny omega. She's <hes> organizing it. Booking at hiring all the talent you'll hear all about her journey age w and what she hopes to accomplish with various roles in the company brand is also talking the time at the w._b. Why she left there twice the advice she got from her father-in-law dusty rhodes working with cody at new japan and how they're both introduced to tony khan a._w._s. Founder and president brandy rose is on talk is jericho but before that we're going to play the brand new fauzi song is called nowhere. Senator ron available on spotify tunes apple music google. You'll be hearing radio stations all across the country. It's the brand new fauzi june soon. Check it out right here right now. Nowhere to run amended com yeah yeah. I don't the what all right let me know what you think hit me up on the twitter at talk as jericho and in the meantime and in between time here we go now wants to get over the fuzzy buzzer going straight into brandy roads and talk is jericho thanks to our friends that boost mobile the switch that gives you more okay so we're here in jacksonville this really cool theater daily place and it was chief. Brandy officer brandy roads now personal russell. What does it chief branding officer randy officer explain exactly what that is so. I think a lot of people get really frustrated with the title chief brand officer because it's a newer position in business in general right so every chief brand officer has a job catered to by the company that they're with so some chief brand officers are supermarketing based. Some are super p._r. Based i'm just kind of a little bit of both and that's because tony's giving me the freedom to kind of put myself where where i feel like. I need to be a lot of times. That's way more on the p._r. Side because we do have a chief marketing officer dana massie though i work a lot with our p._r. Team i do a lot of partnerships. I am still on the marketing end on things so a lot of final finals go by me but <hes> my main focus focuses just kind of everything related to our brand getting out there what it looks like what it sounds like we're talking to who were working with all that amazing because like we we talk about kind of how this company starting on our third joe technically yeah but you had this real amazing collection of talent whose contracts or or lack of contracts or desire to do something different all came together at the same time combined with tony one to get started in the financial backing that he provides is combine that with the television with t._n._t. And i think people i know it i not that i didn't think about it but you're kind of like one of the unsung pieces of the puzzle so to speak because before obviously we can talk about it later you debbie and you wrestle the bid and you were ringing out for a while and then and you left and then but you're also very educated as well. 'cause you bikini model this stuff for you to take on this position. It's not a far stretch for you because this this is kind of what you did do or or have been doing since you left. How how did you end up in this in this role right well so i've always been kind of a jack of many trades and i call call myself a just a forever student if i could be i'd still be in school trying to get a doctorate in something. I'd have no business having it in but but i always liked to study so like i said you know i've got some accolades on the academic world and in the world that i was in. I actually did encounter a a lot of what this job entails because media is a huge part of p._r. and a lot of times. If you start off in media you transferred to p._r. Which has a lot of people don't know that a lot of times news anchors and reporters and all that stuff they end up in in their big long-term job there appear representatives <hes> and that's just because there are a lot of that is connections. A lot of that is knowing what the stories are what you're looking looking for what type of people you need to talk to so i had about five years of building for that without even knowing it which is great then. I what were you doing. After you lifted would be so well this before. I got to dodge before you had to w w i was a news reporter and anchor <hes> yeah yeah i did it in in flint michigan which is one of the roughest markets to ever be in machine shop concert venue. We played an awesome yeah. No i remember so i- i flirted with news for a while. I did it for a bit and then i got away from and then i did it for a bit and then i got away from it and then ultimately ended up wrestling but one of the key turning point moments in my life where i was like yeah. I don't wanna do this anymore. Riding with <hes> in michigan the cruiser really small. It's not like supergirl like chicago or l._a. Where it's you sit in the studio and it's air conditioned all day. You're walking around in snow carrying your own equipment. Usually just have one person with you <hes> for cameron they're driving and <hes> mean camera guy drive into this neighborhood and we're supposed to be investigating some shooting something whatever happened and it's a rough looking neighborhood already is summer so we've got at like the windows down and as we were driving in the neighborhood we're looking for this house address and were just creeping along slowly all of a sudden. We hear some guy yell out of his window. He goes goes. Hey and we stop and we look and he says to me he said bitch. You better get out of here. Are we going to kill you and i told him dr get get up here and that was when i was like what am i doing like making minimum wage and i'm putting my life on the line going just cold into these environments. I'm is where i could literally kill me rough town yeah yeah and it could be a rough like that. That was one of the times i quit and got back into it and i was like okay. I'll do this again but i'm only anchoring. I don't wanna go in the field and then the w._w._e. Opportunity came during that time so come about so random so i was still modeling on the side at the time and <hes> w._w._e. Reached out to the agency. I was working with and <hes> they had said hey. We like you know. The looks of these girls are any of them. Athletic and i used to figure skate so my agents say yes. She figured for seventeen years she she could be good so they said cool. We'll ask her if she wants to. Try out and i was like like you. Did you watch wrestling. When i was a kid. I watched wrestling my brother. It was a huge fan so we will watch wrestling in michigan detroit okay. Yes i really loved it. Yeah and i stopped when he stopped watching because he you grew up and kind of i don't wanna watch this anymore and that was it then <hes> the next encounter that i had with wrestling i was at michigan and taking a women's studies course so you probably know where this is going to go. They put clips up of the famous clip with trish on her knees barking dogs <hes> <hes> and it unfortunately it just in that sense in that class it was very heavily frowned upon so i just had it in my head that this is what we're wrestling was now like that's money went from you know andrea and hogan to that and i'm not interested in that and so when my uh agent reached out i was like hey. I don't think that's for me i don't. I don't like the dog and she said i think you should watch it. It's much different right now. It's actually as a p._g. Thirteen rating and i said okay i'll take a peek. I watched a couple episodes and i was like okay. This is actually this is cool. I like this and they invited me to it comes to survivor series in miami at american airlines and <hes>. I remember the key to clearest things remember from this is one seeing cody backstage because has from the few episodes i had washed. I was like man that guy's really handsome and then i saw him and he's really handsome in person to cool and then ray mysterious popping out out of the stage and he was just like captain america think and the crowd went crazy. Everybody was going insane and i was like i love this. I have to be part of the world's first yeah yeah yeah so then after that shortly after that sign a contract and then moved to tampa and it's interesting because you're one of the the last of the mohicans the mother models were that were brought in yeah to train to russell and most of them that actually tried did fairly good yeah oversee. It's the different world now right but it's interesting to me that you started in that aspect in here. You are now wrestling having this huge role in the company itself you you really are jack-of-all-trades. I guess so right so let's talk about your training what you thought when you first got started in wrestling but before we do if all you sexy beast talk is jericho who listeners have not switched to boost mobile yet. Here's what you're missing a super reliable super fast nationwide network. You connect almost anywhere and that's not all you get with boosts. There's so much more used to get four lines for twenty five bucks per line per month with unlimited gigs for data talk and text and when you've got family like i do and everyone's on phones all the time unlimited gigs is a must plus with boost. You get four free l. stilo five phones for the whole family. Everyone gets hooked up the cool smartphone. Everyone has plenty of data talk. Text watch videos and movies stream music and of course post to social media very important more importantly boost won't break your bank. So what are you waiting for switch to boost because boost mobile is the switch that gives you more offers and coverage are not available everywhere. Free phone requires port in additional terms and conditions apply visit boost mobile dot com or your nearest retailer for all details so when you started when you started shorted trainings you take quickly was part of that. You thought i think everything about wrestling is harder than you think it is. I think it was the athletic eric portion of it that was easy but understanding any of it was very hard and <hes> as soon as i started training i got called up to the road to announce because no when new when they hired me that i had this t- background and <hes> i think it was just one random f._c._w.'s show there was no ring announcer and i said i'll do it and they were really no one ever wants to do. Go ahead no problem and i did it and then they were like okay. She's okay at this and no one wants to do it. It's your job now. So i ended up traveling and then i would come back to train and i'd lost four days so i've been on the road and not doing this at all and then come back and then i'm like god i feel like i should be understanding this a little bit better veteran. I'm not so then they ended up siding well. You know if you're doing really well with this. We'll take you off and you're just you're just gonna full-time do ring announcing because we don't want to get hurt. It makes sense so i said okay but then i had always longed to to do more and i wish you know i always think well. What if i did get to fully train. How far would i have gotten. Maybe maybe i'd be in this match tonight instead of announcing it so <hes> it's really cool to come full circle here. I am now. What was your name rick. Eden eden eden stiles. I just take like like fifty names for them and pull them out eden stiles. You know everybody. Everybody has such a weird name. Judah straight get recycled. You know like styles now. There's an age. We don't know their last ask the styles so she you never actually rustled in no nope. I think i did maybe like two f._c._w. Matches and that's it yeah to leave in the company. When cody left <hes> i left twice. I'm wro popular. They're take my left really was because i did get the absolute absolute. You're only going ring announced. We're not going to change that. You're not going to wrestle. Will we're not going anywhere else with this right and <hes> at the time i had had you know code. I started dating and actually we were engaged and he had said <hes>. You know what you wanna do. Here's here's the <unk> working for you or not and i said you know what i don't think it is because i don't think this is what i thought i wanted to do. Maybe i'll go back into news because i love to flirt with news over and over again so i said but if this is the top of it for me wrestling i think i'm i think i'm good. I'm bigger perations yeah yeah. I just didn't feel like i was going to be challenged and <hes> you know whatever so i left. <hes> we got married. I got antsy. I'm seeing him you know. He has this shield match. The big roads brothers brothers were to shield and everything is really going well for him a really cool and i'm like what if i came back so i started that trek and everyone's changed because back then johnny was in charge roy giant and he had said you come back anytime you want well now. He's not the charge anymore so now. I've got to convince events other people. Hey i need to come back. I want to do these things so i got back to start training started to kind of understand it because i'm there every day starting tossed either helping and he's well. He was such a gossip so he would always call me into his office and be like what's the t. today. Tell me what's going on. He stayed who's talking. It was so funny. He never knew what was going on but you always thought you know everything. That's an interesting just as a quick segue here. How was it having dusty rhodes as your father-in-law. You're the one of the only people that can ever say that yeah. It was really fun. He always treated me like one of his daughters like he would say. This is my daughter. He wouldn't say this is my garage aw so it was just. It felt like i needed to be there. When i was there and <hes> i think that without out that dusty and i wouldn't have known each other very well we wouldn't have had like a close bond at all because we lost him shortly thereafter so i think that that worked with them mm-hmm and being area it was it was very valuable to me lessons that he taught you that you that you remember basically to just keep doing what i wanna do until i get my way which doesn't work nearly as quickly as you think it would especially with dusty telling you because he has all the confidence in the world and you still see roads yeah yeah and he'll tell you and then you're like gosh three years later here. We are what's going on doing all the things i'm supposed to do here and not getting anywhere but then you know here's the epic payoff where i'm right. Where i i wanna be and really happy with everything and i feel like my works paid off. It's amazing because the same thing that happened with cody with with moxley that you weren't happy because you knew you could do more and i did it too. It's one of the reasons why i'm here talking to you at a w and not still not that it's a cut down to anybody but i feel all that i could do more. I always say to people that are debating changing. Whatever in their life it's like if especially leaving w._b._z. Do something else you're you're on the edge of a fifty storey building and someone says you can fly but you have to take that one trust step would if they're not not telling the truth but you take the step and suddenly you're flying in your higher than you've ever been. It's just that one moment of taking the step is very hard to do. So what was the final reason sudeley the second time so the second time in the story's been told so many times and like i feel like a broken record with it but no one talks jerry no no one whenever knows it so i'm like i'll keep telling so the reality of it as beautiful as it sounds that i followed cody out. Ain't that good of a wife he i. I was already leaving full respect. You don't have that vibe if you would've stayed if i was in georgia yes yes the stage right. When moss left left. She's doing very well and it makes sense for her. So i was already leaving. I had told cody. We'd had the conversation in the reverse. As are you going to be okay with me. Leaving because i was very unhappy i was unhappy in the sense that i had been being hold for a long time that i was going to get more and i wasn't getting it and there was always an excuse and then you know every time we're supposed to talk about contracts. Something got in the way we couldn't do it and finally i just realized there's no plans for me. There's no plans <hes> you know. I had spoken about doing what i was cody now. Being as manager we had a lot of great people coming up <hes> as far as announcers go. I run my choruses and announcer. <hes> i was filming stuff weekly with paul heyman he was helping you know try to create this character for me and then it just i think it was maybe one meeting with with one writer where it was just totally clear that this busy work for me. It's not going to happen. It's not real why why stay why be unhappy. Why be angry. I'd rather other go do something else so cody had been fully on board with it. I think i had a month left on my contract and i was literally just waiting it out because i didn't want to have any any problems. I just wanted to you know when they set the meeting. Just say hey guys thank you so much. <hes> it's just not for me anymore and cody beat me to the punch your he real bad day where he was like. You know what i i don't want to go back and i i could feel it with him and i said you know okay. I'm cool with it because because the way you're presenting right now. I've never felt you to be more telling the truth. You're not like emotionally making a bad decision. You're fully fully cognitive of what you're doing so i said okay. We'll the now what do i have to do and soon as everything went out on the internet. I got a text message from from michael cole. Who was my boss george the announcer and he said hey do you wanna talk this week and i was like very glad u._s. Yes so we had a very nice conversation sation that week where he said well. We don't want this to affect you. Wanna make you michael. I appreciate it but this is. I was already had one foot out the door and i think he knew you know and he was kind of like yeah. I get it in so it was just an easy thing to well easy in the sense of walking out the door and feeling okay with it but but not easy in the sense of getting from point a. to point what you walk during holy shit i really did it and they were sitting at our house in texas going. What on earth are we going to take the jobs right before. I want to talk about some of you mentioned but you are a a really good ring announced. I remember remember what what was your secret to. What's the secret to being a good announcer in your opinion so honestly what i used to do which would make me happy with the job it is. I would wait for the challenge because every week the ring announcer has a challenge of some sort i mean i think people know the scripture coming out as we're sitting out there. During join the live shows <hes> we do not know what's happening in advance and so the more in tune with everything you can be. I feel like the better you can deliver everything so. I don't need to know who's in this next match. If i'm good enough it should be a fun challenge for me to hear the music and be ready to go know everything about everybody and so sometimes you would yeah oh absolutely time also there would be times. I mean i had one time where undertaker what's coming out and i've never announced undertaker and i'm like oh got. I gotta do this really good but then they never called for the announcement so then i just standing in the rain and undertakers getting in and i was like i think i need to get out. This is weird. So oh yeah there would be plenty of times where you afterwards like. Why didn't you announce them or nope nothing nothing but i think i learned a lot of that from justin roberts because he was just so on his toes all the time he was always paying attention and there are some ring announcers who you know. Don't pay as much attention or you know. I guess are not as into the product as as some but just was always very into it. I think he genuinely wanted to see everything that was happening. He was surprised is or you know appalled or whatever was happening and you could gather that when he was making his announcements which i thought that was really cool so to really be successful zones business that i have on jeopardy you gotta go with the flow yeah and you got to be ready to whatever happens happens like this is changing. This is being added to being subtracted and if you show any if resell it at all yeah it's a knock against you right. Yeah like you said you gotta be ready really is. I think i made one mistake. One mistake announcing that alad mitt to i actually made a lot of mistakes. People just didn't catch them because the happened yeah. That was one of my survival techniques. Which is if you just keep talking working. Most of the time people aren't going to hear what you said. That was messed up with. Roy sides kept going but there was one time that it was a title match. I was announcing <hes> dolf ziglar and down brody which i can't remember what brody's name is that a hardcover hopefully yeah yeah and who's the one dolph dolf gotcha i reverse their weights and you know how dolphins hang he looked at me like when i said that brodie weighed like a hundred and twelve ounce announce and he looked at me he goes. Oh my god are you serious and i was just like please out yeah. We're going to have to redo that in the back unthank- back remember lillian once once i'm a weekly basis you would make a mistake and the one time she announced me from when toba manitoba oh wow over winnipeg but like you said th if that's all anew right you got the mike alad then people so let's talk about when you and cody leftover to be in the circumstances around that it was a very bold move for you both and we'll get to that but i i wanna thank another sponsor. Who makes this show possible talking about deal dash. You guys need to check out deal dash. 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Remember the outfit you're wearing or remember it was just this crazy cool mazing outfit and great looking package and you're involved in the match and doing all this cool stuff. I can't believe in this might be just the attitude of debbie towards you guys when vince thinks of you to certain level you can't really escape. It's very hard. It's you superstars. The moment you left it seemed. I think it's something that you just have to see and that was the problem i was doing. I was making tapes and different things but he couldn't see it out there together. I think had he seen it once. He would have been like okay if you hadn't since comes a w w backing w now as a team as a unit you know what i mean like i think now he would have seen it if you wanted to my point being it. How can you deny the chemistry of a see as a married couple but also some married couples. Don't have the same chemistry right outside in front of the cameras right exactly guys. We're a great unit. It was it was amazing to see like right off the bat. That's that's superstar right there superstar act joy that did it. Did it work well for you. You guys yeah yeah. You know. It took a little bit. I mean we had a few indie runs of things where i said okay. I'm just going to fully listen to what he wants. Did you and i don't really agree but i'm just gonna go with the flow and then we do it. It'd be okay and then after i'd say hey. What were you thought if i would've did this instead need go. I wish you would have said that would have been cool and i'm like okay so i let that happen a couple times and then finally i think maybe the first time that i really did. I put my foot down and say this actually what i'm doing. <hes> was at our first tokyo dome when we were against a bucci yeah and when he did that at that dive i park caught it but then i fell in pretended like you know i was dead from it and i said i want to be laughing nothing when i turn over and no no you're selling that you're you're you're down. Just trust me. I i feel like it just makes more sense for me to be laughing and that's the gift that lives forever. Forever is me turning overlapping <hes> she's evil. She did it on purpose. Yes so then i think kind of when he started to be like okay she kind of knows what you have. Sometimes we're he'll. I'd be like just do this and i'll be like i don't do that. Well i want to do this which is a sign of a professional something well. You don't do it yeah no that that's the thing that you've you've been in the business style gosh. When did you sign two thousand ten two thousand eleven earlier. It's been oh yeah probably thousand eleven. It's been eight nine years now. At this point society. You're not some rookie behind the ear green. I love the fact do that. Then for reasons of trademarks and deputy being done to be how cody cannot not be cody rhodes those events brandy roads yeah. How is that how did that happen. Well obviously when i entered w._w. The first time i was brandy read so need andy reid became eden stiles then but i never really said anything about it because soap opera as the world tour okay. Maybe we'll come back and we're married now. Maybe i can be you know. Even i think on the website when we got married and everything thing they had done a a big thing was after the firing of cody for not beating randy they had done a big thing about brandy roads so said okay maybe now we can just make that transition no idea why but they just didn't want to do it your eating styles again. God dang it. I hate this name but i stuck with it stuck with it. <hes> when dusty past. I felt like the only thing that i wanted to do to feel like i've done what i should do is change my last name. They keep eden. That was fine but i i did say i really want to change my last name to roads because i just feel like that's what needs to happen. I feel like that's missing and i know he was okay with it because i had asked him in the first place yeah yeah hey okay with this he said yeah and so there was chatter about it and then ultimately the final decision came back to me where they said no. We're not going to do this because we're doing. The dusty rhodes tag classic and i was baffled who it has to do with me nothing but then i thought this was at a time where everything was making me very mad at work and then. I thought you know what don't get mad about about this. Don't get upset because there's gotta be a reason for it. Here we are today. I wouldn't have the name had i had because you never use. Brandy rose and w._b. Was never trademark so you can be graduates. Randy rhoads yeah because cody cody rhodes in w._b. And even though it's his family's name they had trademarked dusty dusty rhodes or both we say but then you guys are smart cody and brandy roads yeah. We're what was your your journey to a._w._s. When did you start hearing about it. And how did you feel about. I mean obviously you didn't call it a go okay. I want to be the achieve branding officer like how did that even come to play so i started here this chatter about <hes> tony and different things that <hes> you know he was interested in and i looked into tony and i thought this this is probably the most solid person i've ever heard talking this way about yeah but i was kind of like there are a lot of people that want to do a lot of things in wrestling and ninety nine point nine percent of the time it doesn't get to the starting point for whatever reason so i just the biggest reason is money. Yes very expensive to start a company exactly exactly so yes so i just kind of was like i don't wanna get too excited about this and i want to invest too much in this. I'm still going on about life as if this isn't happening so you know still you know doing new japan and doing you know the ring of honor stuff rustling now at this point as well as having matches and stuff yeah. Actually it wasn't too long after i had a broken collarbone so i was still trying to decide ride. Am i gonna be able to still wrestle after this. I'm going to be okay bringing in the ring yet in japan. I was on a stardom tour. I gave a guerilla the crossroads who didn't know what a crossroads was instead. She just fell right on me in crush my collarbone into pieces so very painful injury. It's a confusing one one. Because most people tell you you have you have you had haven't i'm just guessing thank god so like other girls that i know that have had it our first instinct think always not that that's what's broken. It's always that something's out of place like feels like my shoulder popped out or something. I remember asking one of the girls hey can. You pump my shoulder back back in and she was like i wanna touch right now. You're so swollen but yet. I just didn't know what what on earth happened. I knew i was very uncomfortable and i couldn't really use it and then when i got back to the states and got an x ray they were like you need to be in surgery tomorrow good good. That's probably feel a lot better than than it does right yeah but yeah so yeah that was you know. Just we're going about life. As usual and <hes> tony actually was the one who reached out out to me and said like hey we should meet we talk because he had spoken to the bucks in he had spoken to cody and i said okay you know i love meeting people in talking to people and talking about wrestling let's do this. The most jarring thing about tony is that he knows everything about everybody. He's so passionate about this so when we sat down i'm thinking well you know. I'm here's probably what we're going to talk about them. In the tell tony that <hes> you know i'd love to wrestle for him. If we go this way but i have other values other than just wrestling and i'm gonna tell stuff and he sits down and he says okay so here's thing brandy. Geno your background. I know that you graduated from this with that and i know that you went to school. We're here for this and that and i know that she used to work here do that and actually your education's really good and i i really see you in this role and i was like wow let let me catch up on my own life here. It was like man you really know he's again. No it's it's out there. It's publication and he just he already had he told me this is what i see for you. You're really good with people and he he understands fully how <unk> job transitions to me because he knew about my media background and he knew i had a marketing background background and all of that stuff and he's like this is all stuff you know how to do so. It's a great great. I would like to accept that job if we get there right yeah yeah so so he was always very much like you and cody. You guys definitely stay together whether you wrestle separate or not like i definitely want you with cody 'cause you guys work is like that yeah yeah so i was like this. He really really kind of understands when say all the things that you wanted to say exactly exactly which is really really nice when it ends up playing out. When did you know for sure that you guys were aboard. Oh man i think it came down to the day that we signed our contracts because this is entertainment go south all the time at the last minute. I mean i can't tell you how many t._v. shows. I was supposed to be on that. I'm not on because we're later the housewives of atlanta or something like that. I'm thinking like i did ads wags yeah yeah it was it was interesting on the air anymore and gotcha glad. When did you sign though because like for me i remember the last time we were here was for the big press release announcing. Which was january fourth. I think i told you don't maybe seventy seven. I signed my deal on the sixth. Okay so gotta sign this. You can be in this place tomorrow. We signed signed our deal to the minute. Our other deal expired so as soon as the deal expired. We signed the other deals that like january the tokyo dome yes in the the days are weird because we're in tokyo so we had to have it lineup to in tokyo time what was in the states to be midnight. Midight basically the bucks of the same thing yep yep same exact which once again just shows that this was meant to be 'cause everyone's deal ended did at the same time isn't that the craziest thing unbelievable. I always say like for for russell. Company talent wise all you need is six to eight top guys you can build old around them and interchange those matches then you build up other guys right six. Stay top guys boxers two of them cody brandy jericho kenny the hangman. There's your seven got it there. You can build a company around yeah yeah which is just like. I said it's just amazing to me. That is a real. Oh kismet terrorist situation also very involved in the women's division at a._w._s. 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Go do it now now when you came in because you also very much involved in the women's division vision here right. Was that something that you would plan from the start. You and kenny kenny are involved right yeah yeah. That was something that i really wanted to be a part of because i feel like i've seen so many women like really talented. Women not get their shot for whatever reason or another and <hes> all the girls that we have now have some sort of similar story to that and i just really felt like being in so many different locker rooms. You need that female perspective there to speak for some of the women in senses that men. I just don't think about you know just not on purpose. It's just we're different right so i definitely wanted to be able to be a representative in that sense so that these girls could trust with. They're getting into they have somebody to talk to. That's not a man if they need to and so it's worked out really well. Did you have a lot of interactions with stephanie mcmahon when you were working. It's not a lot because it's essentially you're the stephanie doing kind of similar. I mean roles. It's i think it's really cool that that that that you have a lot of that vibe <hes> to you that she has a very confident woman who's in charge of all these different things but still very very nice very cool good. It's a good way to be. You know what i mean. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think you know there's always natural parallels that are going to draw. I mean we're wrestling families females in the wrestling lays. We're doing a lot of the behind the scenes work and a lot of the front and camera work so you're always gonna mind some way to draw brandon stephanie brandon stephanie and that's fine uh-huh where where are you finding like a lot of the girls because i know we have quite a few sign. We haven't even seen all of them yet because once again i love how much the brouhaha for causing after three shows yam even had a t._v. Show yeah but when that starts are full roster is going to be all hands on dak right so what was your kind of mindset and how how involved is candy in humboldt or you. Do you guys talk amongst yourselves. What's your plan for the division so division wise kenny is very passionate in the sense that i'm passionate on bringing fresh faces in that may not have gotten fair shakes or whatever right right kenny is very passionate about people saying joshi towns which is japanese women right right so i defer all of that to him because i can't even communicate a lot of the talent <hes> they speak japanese. I don't at all so a lot of times. It's a lot of trust there in a day. Who's good for this. Who's going to want to do this <hes> and then with me a lot of times. It's the <hes> a lot of independent girls that are in the states and even england and abroad <hes>. I feel like there's just a lot of female talent. That has a passion that goes beyond just oh. I just wanna be able to say i did this. They wanna do this and they wanna make their mark so this is the best setting for that my opinion <hes> it's a place where you know they're not they're. They're assured that they're going to have something. They're not just getting thrown in and then just okay. We'll maybe if we need you at some point will you. We have a plan for everybody. There's nobody me that's in the women's division that we don't have any idea what's going on with or what we would like to go on and so about how many a dozen girls dozen right now right now. Are you looking to expand spanned or do you want to use the girls. I see where we go. I feel like right now. A lot of these girls are unknown or just seen them once or twice here there so it's it's important to get to know them and then we see what happens you know from there but a lot of i mean even myself i i've. I've been in this business for a really long time. The match that we have tonight on this card a lot of people are saying you know well. This is kind of a an interesting match to to put on the main. Cardwell alley has been doing this for twelve years and like you said i've been around for about eight. I haven't been wrestling the whole time but a lot of people know us so. Let's just keep pushing to the people who don't know you know 'cause they exist. You can't live in a bubble. You can't say oh because i was on ring wagner or she was on t._n._a. Or whatever everybody but he knows who we are they don't and that's our job and make sure that they do you know it's interesting when you say that because we don't know you as a wrestler arlene in that and that's and and that's good to get to know you as a wrestler and like you just mentioned one of the things with two of five live as they brought for example they brought you know fifteen in guys cruiserweights all the same time with sink or swim guys not a lot of opportunity to get to know who each guy is too much at once same here with with our women's division if you have twelve girls and you're using them and bringing more and we haven't even learned about these girls yet and every this was an and we don't even know these girls yet especially the joe. She's with the with the names to have right. They're hard to remember. I know the one little girl with blue hair is really <unk> funds. I don't know her name. I've been to japan many times. You're throwing too many out at once but that's okay because now we're going to have love a weekly chance to get to know exactly girls along with you know penelope and and and dr bread and all the other girls that we have love good yeah for sure. Let's talk a little bit about the you'll have to explain it to me because i forgot the name but we did something. That's never been done before with sensory. Yes inclusions so <hes> yeah we we are very lucky to be partnered with a company called culture city <hes> what they do is they make events sensory inclusive or actually all kinds of venues so i mean there in three hundred twenty venues worldwide right now. They create sensory rooms where where people can go if they're having any sort of problem people who have <hes> autism p._t._s._d. <hes> people who had strokes severe anxiety <hes> anything anything. That's a non visible illness you name it. They're equipped to deal with it and they also go into these arenas and venues zoos and museums and restaurants. Whatever have you and they trained staff to know what to look for a lot of time. I seen it a hundred times before i talked to <hes> the the founders about out this and became came on board with them. <hes> i've seen it at meet and greets where child appears to have a meltdown and it's just epic and then people are going will the parents terrence. What are the. Why aren't they doing anything because you don't know what's happening. There's something actually happening to that child. They're not just having a meltdown. They're freaking out and they need help but nobody's equipped equipped to help them. So that's what they do. They come in. They make sure that they're safe. Places for these people to go so loud noises or something loud noises even sometimes like the bright lights jairo jairo anything even just the crowd around you boy yeah anything can trigger a reaction to somebody who was suffering for something like this and they look look like me and you so you don't know any different. I mean adults p._t._s._d. You you never know if a loud noise is going to go off and somebody is going to completely lose their composure. It's just just something that happens to me but that doesn't mean these people shouldn't be able to come in themselves show because a lot of times they get kicked out. I mean we i in a group chat with with the whole board award of culture city and we share stories all the time that we see in the news where something happened at a baseball game got uncomfortable and they kicked a family out and they later learned all the kid had autism. That's that's terrible instead. They should have been taken to a room where they could get themselves together because that's really what's needed and then they can go back and enjoy. It doesn't let me know its final. That's not the end. If somebody has an episode. So what are we doing with with <unk>. They are coming with us to every event that they can <hes> so. They're <music> at fight for the fall in <hes> in this sense. There's no room here at daly's place so they have a travel truck that they bring that'll be parked outside and people if if any issue at all happens the staff here knows what to do. They know where to take them. They go right to the truck this train staff on the truck. They have everything they need to get back together the entire family family and then go back to the event when everything is good and done or if they decide. They want to stay there for an hour. They can stay in there for an hour. Nobody's going to tell them what you regain. Your composure hoosier freaked out right so a lot of times <hes> they have the sensory kits that are helpful headphones or something zones to help. Bring things things back down. They can dim the lighting and make it really calm and soothing. It's the noise is gone inside these rooms they have activities things that they can do visit toys just thinks thanks decompress and kind of calm down and get him out of that environment and then to a point where they're back to normal right like how did you find out about this so you've the great thing about the internet is people will just come right to you and they have great things. I mean there. There's a lot of bad on the internet and there's a lot of good too and <hes> juices. Russians started the company because everyone's coming out of the woodwork ache and do this exactly exactly but julian maha. He's the founder he's a lifelong wrestling fan and so when he found out that we were doing this he reached out. He's actually friends with noel foley. I am dumb through them. We got connected in just had a phone meeting and as soon as soon as i talked to him. I knew this is a guy that we need to really like. Try to work with because this has been missing and wrestling forever. I've seen these things happen happen. I've seen blow ups and things and people just staring and museveni sitting there being like. Did i do something wrong or is there something that i should be doing right now now because i feel like this isn't being handled or you know and this just makes it so that people are comfortable. They know that they can be themselves. They can come to these events. If there's an emergency of any any sort they're going to be taken care of. They're not going to be looked at or treated like they're different. They're gonna just have their place to go and then be able to come right back. I read a story from double or nothing among sent a tweet to me or whatever and she said that was first time she brought her autistic son to the show and in the line just waiting to get in he was starting to get antsy in kind of concern about it because there were long lines for that show and she said she was just so heart warmed by the people just standing around they were so calming they tried to talk to her son and kind of get his mind off things to talk to him about wrestling and she said she felt like it was a family and immediately sooner they got in there. Will they get their sensory bags and he enjoyed the show was wonderful. That's awesome yeah yeah so do people know like our fans. They know that this is available. How have you gotten the word out. I mean social show media which is where the world where our main thing yeah but culture should he also has an app so if this is something that's interesting to anybody. They can always download the app. The app is connected connected with every venue so if you're having trouble on the app and you're saying like hey. I don't know where to get a sensory bag. I need one. You can just type in ham at this event anita sensory mystery bag. It'll tell you where to go. You know section d next to the popcorn stand or whatever and and you'll be able to get that it'll tell you right where the truck is. It also has a help feature whereas if you're just where you're at and you need help now you can just hit the feature in someone from culture ceo come right to you and this is something to as the word gets out the more shows. We have people that are yeah. No is just the thing yeah yeah it's amazing. Is there anything else like that that you're working on this for as interesting concepts of that that we haven't heard of before yes so we we are just kind of some baby stages on some other elements that are kind of similar to this for people who have certain disabilities and <hes>. It's really important to us to try to make everybody as comfortable as they can. It's almost hurtful to hear that somebody loves this and they can't enjoy it fully so anything like that. You know we're so open to wanting to make it comfortable and make it something that people who thought they could never enjoy this that they actually can <hes> yeah. I'm surprised that we haven't seen that before seems like a w._b._z.'s type thing. It's great that we kind of introducing this concept right. You mentioned earlier that i want wanna go back to that. You were figure skater for seventeen years. I want to hear more about that whole tonya harding movie that i watched with margot robbie. 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That's indeed dot com slash jericho terms conditions and quality standards apply. I want to talk a little bit of what you said. Earlier i watched <hes> <hes> road to every rhode defied the talking about being a figure skater for seventeen years and i was like talking to people about stuff that i have no idea india about i watched the tonya harding movie mazing moving and just seems like there's a lot of craziness in that world kind of similar to this world because like i always say rustling could be an olympic sport and here's the reason why it's an exhibition that somebody could judge judge just like figure skating gymnastics. You know you could have team america overseas team in the team canada. Whoever puts on the best performance wrestled figure you're skinny is so i'm sure there's a lot of politics involved. Oh god it's a little bit about that world. Yes oh figure skating is a crazy world. I got into figure skating when i was four years old. According to my mom who you know in a very roads fashion can tell all kinds of stories so we'll never know if this is really not according to my mom. She said that we're watching the olympics. I was four years old. I saw debbie thomas figure skating <hes>. She took the bronze that year and i said i wanna do what she's doing. She looks like me. <hes> sounds sounds like a lot for a four year old say but i'm sure that there was some some <unk> that so they took me skating lessons and then i just never stopped. <hes> skating is extremely greenlee competitive. It's extremely expensive. They i think it is the most expensive sport period was that everything costs money. The minutes on the ice costs money so you pay per minute for your ice time. <hes> someone like me who was at senior level ice skated eight hours a day. So that's a lot that's not your coach though your coaches per minute to so you're paying your coach per minute which usually is a dollar a minute so i will usually have our yeah. I would usually have an hour less than a day. Sometimes maybe two. I had off-ice instructors and trainers off eissa sessions that i would do all that stuff you pay for. <hes> skates are super expensive live skates <hes> i used to go to canada drive with my dad candidate to get my skates done because they were a brand that was canadian that only those worked for me nothing else so we would have to go there. The boots are separate so the boots would be probably about eight hundred dollars the blazers thirteen hundred and they break down in six months so every six months you get new boots new blades skating dresses five hundred to a thousand. You need a different one each season. You need like four because you've got you know long short program graham and then if you make it to the final round you have the final round longshore. You can't wear the same thing. Movie shouldn't have enough money for the nice downs stress trailer park. Yeah yeah edet happened a lot. I mean i remember my mom used to make some of my stuff until i got to a point where i was like mom. I can't keep wearing like i looked terrible so yeah <hes> it's so expensive and i didn't even know i mean because my parents kept it from me until i was old enough to figure it out that they still maybe abyan debt from from some of my skating. They were throwing everything on the credit card all time and competitions and meets. You're traveling all that. You're paying for the coach to see better. Hope somebody else qualified so that you can share the cost otherwise you're paying fully for the you know the ticket in the hotel and their food and everything so yeah. It's it's nuts. It's also extremely streaming political. I was the only person gaining ever all the time interesting yeah placed last full full block or yes oak again very very light skinned yeah. I'm part native american all kinda why yes but yeah yeah block figure skaters no no it's not at all yeah and then michigan my region probably for like the first six seven years i place last all the time never deserving place last. I'm always lasts. I used to look when they place the results in all the little girls gather around and wait for them post it. I became accustomed to starting at the bottom adam hoge because i was never anywhere near the top and it was frustrating for me and my family and my mom we've talked a lot about here for thing but she she would get so frustrated with it and it hurt her so much and it would be blatant sometimes too because as i got better you know i became undeniable in the sense that all right. We can't put her last because she's the only person who didn't fall. So what are we going to do. So then you would see each judge. Their name would be there and then there mark would be their placement and so it would say brandy read first place oh awesome so they say judge won first place judge to first-place judge three ninth-place judge first place so you could tell oh. This person just wasn't going to let it happen like it. Just wasn't on their agenda so so you got to know which judges were like that and my mom was like one time. It happened with this. Mary judge and she was like mary mary boo. I did ask for the stars listen. I figured out right away because obviously it's all. It's all show business. They know who they want to go. Further who they think is going to draw the ratings thing and i know that they had earmarked mark me for just the job or whatever but i was really good at it because i'm a musician i'm arrested dancing is and some weeks i would go out there and i would tear it up like the best dance the night and i'd get twenty one and then the guy who they're pushing her. The girl that push you get twenty nine thirty. That's bullshit. There's no way yeah totally was that guy. I was slaughtered at a certain area and they're not gonna have anything blame. Blame it on like the votes that homo make sure exactly what the percentage of votes to the judges scores. We can't tell you that but it's the same idea. It seems like you're saying mary they already knew they already knew what they want. You mentioned i tanya <unk> movie. She has that moment where she says to the judge. I'm doing when everything right. What is it you know and he said you just won't play the game meaning. You won't be that cookie cutter little princess than we want you to mean and she was like no. That's not who i am. It's not me but i'm the best. Should i took my talent on the ice right. How far did you go with it so i reached senior level well which is really weird okay so you can be senior level in certain regions and actually not be that good. You just have to pass a test. Fortunately i passed the test but i actually was good i i it's a hard it honestly is is a hard test but some people can do that can't do triples and stuff you don't have it may have have changed now because they've changed things a lot but back then you didn't have to have one i did so thank god but otherwise it could be one of these people you know claiming to be all these things and i'm not but i never was at an olympic level. Never that was always the goal. It became pretty clear to me. When i was in high school that i wasn't gonna be able to pick it up to that sense to definitely go to the olympics a lot of people at that point when they get to high school they decide to home school because because you can spend more time at the rink and just focusing more on skating and i just knew at that point. I was just like i. I think that for me the education is about more valuable so i'm gonna go ahead and continue to do school. I only did half days. 'cause i got school credit for skating but it just was important to me to to physically go to school and have friends <hes> and then you know getting an in michigan. I had the full ride to michigan. I think a lot of that is because of the skating because i was so disciplined and so on top of it with it. I think that was attractive to them. So uh-huh yeah you you mentioned on the road to road to fight for that was really interesting and i can tell the it seems like it was a truth. Is that you would. You're expected to fail so many times that when you had the chance you would just fail kind of the story i remember i would i would scare myself out of doing well a lot because i would put so much pressure on it and and you know sports were different than we as kids were expected to take a lot more. I think these days it's a little bit different but you were <hes> able to be spoken to you by your coaches to certain way you were able to be spoken to by your parents a certain way and i think a lot of that stuff really did affect me. I think my hi mom would tell me like this. Is your chance. This is your shot. This is how you don't end up like me. You know how parents are they think. They're the worst in the world really my mom's great great she's been but she wanted so much more for me and you know she would. You're gonna end up like this. If you don't do that and <hes> you know coaches you know you're going to be the one the one from this arena. That's gonna make your you got all these shot in the world and they're scaring the shit out of you and so you know i would lay in bed. Think like god. Why did they want me so bad. Why what's so wrong with me being like my mom what's so wrong. If i don't do this. I'm just not i just don't care. I'm not going to do it. I'm just gonna be always in a bad mood every every time every time we get to the competition and everybody's trying to like light me up like yeah yeah you know let's get it over with and then i would mess up and then i would say well. Sorry sorry guys. Maybe you shouldn't have all your hopes on me because i'm not that good. You know you're going in there taking a fall. Basically you know i mean i would always think about too. There were some competitors. We're good friends of mine who seem to just have fun. They seem to just love it and have fun and they always did so yeah. Well and i was always like why can't i have fun because i had all this other pressure outside crap behind it. Their parents coaches were just saying oh go have fun. Mine were saying everything is riding on this so i was like god. Okay isn't fun now. No i actually just us finally got rid of my skates. I was tracking them around codeine. I've lived more places than any he ever heard of but like a striking them around everywhere everywhere. Finally i decided to just dump the backpack and then of course after that steve you who creates your road series says hey. Let's get you on ice skate. So i was like steve. I threw him away and he was like why on earth would you go rent some other ones because it's hard to figure skate compared to hockey skates. There's like i put on figure skates. Lemons gains to ooh my ass completely because it's a whole different world that front end the toes are different exactly crazy as we wind down here. I just wanted to ask you you. What is your overall goal for a w. What do you see happening over the next month year years yeah a. w. W is going to be what everybody wanted to be in this funny. It's similar <hes> that it has this stress on it. Kinda like what we were just talking about with my story as a skater gator as a kid. Everyone has these hopes and dreams for it and they need it. The good news is it's going to happen. Everything's going to happen. We have this wonderful tv deal. We have these wonderful partnerships and we all have this great goal which is to bring the best wrestling that there is to everyone so that they feel fulfilled and they can watch these things share with their families and friends ends and it's. It's a beautiful thing. The guarantee is we're all gonna work our asses off to make sure that that happens. Nothing's going to stop that from happening. <hes> this. This women's division is going to be fantastic. When i get in that ring you can rest assured i busting my ass to bring you the best thing that i possibly can. There's there's no you know nepotism. There's no lack of once. I woke up this morning so excited and happy to finally have a singles match. I was nine yeah. Yes yeah so this is we all share the excitement that the fans do and <hes> this beautiful for all of us. We're we're all in this together. This is a huge like wrestling family only moment and it's it's gonna be great serving. Just relax and enjoy during have fun today. Yes thank you thank you. My mom is not here when when you have fun that's where you really get into it. Enjoy that's the beauty of it because i i like for me to one of the reasons after working for for vince for almost twenty years and saying to myself. I'm not going to work for anybody to advance. That's cool did some stuff in new japan realized as a whole world of creativity and then to have this opportunity. It's really like i said taking that one. Step off the off. The building was hard but it's exciting for me to start from scratch. I would never have the opportunity to do you this w._b._z. Whereas we're we're on our own here guys and i think from all of us from merchandising brand officer to producing the show to writing the show. We're all kind of learning together so let's have more experienced than others but it takes a while to gel as a company but it's exciting to be a part of it and i think that's i think that's one of the things that like you understand it. More and cody understands it more than me and de milenko and moxley 'cause we were there yes and no how big of a machine at the other cats like almost the envy the box cakes. They don't know yes just like oh. This is sounds good to me and it's like but there's so many details that we know but you take the good good and leave the bad right but we're all like you said. We're all in this together yet better for worse yeah. Everybody's unique experiences come together in a good way and that's very very important like you said some is so important that we did have that experience that way. We know what we want what we don't want and then you know it is nice to have people who look at it with rose colored glasses all the time because they're not jaded by any of that so it's a really nice balance yeah last question for you. What's your favorite match that you've ver had hoof. I think so okay there's to the my favorite that was on television was was <hes> against santana garrett and it was a knockouts knockdown match. It was my third period. My first and second matches were abysmal like and this is my first time wrestling wrestling like in front of a crowd ever so of course terrible cool but then that one <hes> they gave a sixteen minutes impact on yet third much of her sixteen minutes. That's a lot of yeah and i think everybody thought it was just going to be terrible but santana's a really good person to work with and dodge really trusted trusted her. I kept telling her. I don't think i can make it sixteen minutes. She was like you're going to be fine and when when we got to like fourteen minutes i was like wow i can go like i could keep going. This is great then. It wasn't the best match ever. I was my third match so i probably you know there was so much emotion involved in stuff but for me to get through it and be proud of it was wonderful and then my favorite <hes> since then was in australia i wrestled shazad mckinsey <hes> and <hes> she's just really good as trillion or yes. Ma'am allowed you. Yes she's australian and <hes>. I was actually worried to wrestle her because i know especially at this point in time. There are a lot of people who get scared to wrestle me because they're like well. She's gonna wanna do what she wants to do and she's maybe going to be difficult called and i'm actually not. I'm very very difficult because if you also well she thinks she's the boss right. I actually can do a lot. Do you like a lot of people oh. I think they're like oh. Maybe she won't wanna do that. Yeah do something through the table. I'll do it yeah sure. As long as i know what i'm doing but yes so i think she. He was very happy to learn that everything she wanted to do. I wanted to do it because she was like. Are you okay with doing off the top yeah i am. If this is what you do we're going to do it. You know so we just really had fun and i remember after that match just seeing her face. I knew it was like god. That was better than i thought it was so it was really cool. Yes the first i betcha already announced the undertaker which is insane it took us took me nine years of being the w before we ever had a match singled out and we had it. It was just awesome. 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Elegy For The Anvil with Natalya and Tyson Kidd

Talk Is Jericho

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Elegy For The Anvil with Natalya and Tyson Kidd

"The Jericho network on Westwood One. Tall. Tall recall. Ricco. All right, welcome. Talk as Jared goes the pot of thunder and rock and roll. And today it's a tribute to Jim, the anvil night heart from ninety nine heart Jim's daughter and her husband. His son-in-law Tyson Kidd aka TJ Wilson, the back on the show to talk all about the late great anvil gyms last big indepth interview before his passing who's running around talks Jericho. I just put that up again as a re rerun. I guess you'd say reentering checkout on Spotify apple podcasts, or the Westwood One apple, if you haven't heard it yet. Jim talked a lot about his time in wrestling till some great stories, but being part of the legendary heart Phoenician tag team and now natty and TJ sharing some of their favorite stories with the envel- stuff from that he's childhood and what it was like growing up her on the business with her dad constant on the road stories gyms last few years. They didn't like that Luke gallows and what he enjoyed what today's WB and even shooting the total divas TV show. It's a great tribute to the n. Ville facts the ninety and tease. For in having me into their home to remember him. That's coming up right away. I also coming up. It's the Judas rise into her closing in the last few shows were in Charlotte, North Carolina tonight, the underground that's going to be used show Jacksonville, North Carolina got moved due to hurricane Florence, that poopie hurricane. We are now going to be in Johnson city, Tennessee, Capone's they're able to get us into the into the venue with only a few days notice. So if you're in the Tennessee area, Johnson city, Knoxville, Morristown, mild stopping grounds, come hang out with this Johnson city Tennessee at Capone's. That's on the twentieth that's on Thursday. 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So go to fuzzy rock dot com for all to get information and also all the fuzzy Viet information is one of our legendary mean grades one of the best business. We do many concert few, we take pictures, we signed stuff. We hang out, we chat with you. It's one of the best experiences you can have at a rock and roll show fuzzy rock dot com for all VIP info, all ticket info and for all info on the late great, Jim, the anvil neidhart let's talk to natty and her husband Tyson Kidd right here on talk is Jericho. It's the eligible to the Advil right now. Go right into it. There's no introduction here. There's no, there's no rules on talk Jericho, and we're here at at TJ and that he's house. And the last time we were here was for a gym, the envel- night hearts, possibly his last ever interview or one of his last interviews. Yeah, definitely. Definitely has last like sit down to that length. I know like he had done a couple signings. So maybe like a probably a couple of minute, like Bill apter, but in terms of sit down like that. Yeah, definitely the last one. Yeah. And we're here, Jim passed away a couple of weeks ago, and I wanted to just have conversation two guys and just kinda remember the the life and times of very unique and quirky guys. And in fact, when he passed away text Brett and he said, hey, man, sorry to hear the news. I said, you know, anvil was one in a million and Brett's sent back one in ten million, you know guy that you don't really come across a guy like that too. Often. No, he, my dad was really unique at funny because like I was, you know, telling you about how it was looking back on pictures of my dad and like my dad was just so cool. And I said that at the service was so nice to have you at the service like you're kind of an extended part of the heart family. Like. I'll get it not be. There's a few people. There's a few people that are just quirky and original that they can hang with family, and it was interesting talking with Jim on the podcast and Jim, we'll discuss he. He had some. Some. We mentioned he had some Alzheimer's at that point in time. Do you did you notice he was including me with him, like you were there and like I think he was kind of confusing that I was actually in the WF in the eighties with him. Funny enough. Maybe this story is better a little bit later, but one time I'm here watching raw and it was a Luke gallows match, and Jim's expression just totally changed. And he's like this guy, he's horrible. I hate this guy and I thought there there are a few years. There were a few years where Luke gallows was released, and he was like this little kind of king of the Indies typing Lukwago get a booking in South Africa and kind of the Booker there. Right? He book Oberg over there Lucas like in charge gals. Yeah, he's. She's the hustler man. So I thought, oh, man, damn gals in Jim at a bad thought, no way gals would love Jim more than any quarters. Ultimate brother. Yeah, yeah. So then a little bit of time goes on as he's like this guy. He's horrible hate. I beat the hell out of this guy before in a match and I was like, there's a chance they wrestled the, you know. It turns out then a little bit is going on and he's like, oh, I remember dynamite ribbon the hell at him. Then I knew he was confusing gals with somebody else. But the funny thing is anytime I put on a gallows match same, she'll change and one time Harry was kind of egging it on his Jim. What do you think about this Gibran all this guy's at your brownie, but then but then here's, here's the compliment in the whole thing. He's watching it and he's like, we got a lot better since I wrestle them. Who do you think it? Why feel like he maybe it was like, I mean, I know my dad actually told Jane McMahon that story because I thought it was so funny and I, my dad Shane goes. Do you think he was? He thought that gallows was buried Dr. So we love and I thought my dad loves very Dr, SOS volition, but it must have been somebody for my dad's passed that he just didn't like that rubbed the wrong way or or something like some enhancement guy or something. The best part Sawyer house loves. This story loves this trying to think who he kinda resemble. I don't know. There was a guy in Calgary that independent wrestler named Gary Galant. I don't know. But anyway, it was just the funny story because my my dad would get so worked up every time he saw gallows and I saw gallows actually at summer slam, and I said to him, I go, my dad hated you. And had no idea who you were natty. I loved the story. I love your dad hated me and go, but my dad just like he, he didn't know I told them the whole thing and it was just so my first day back, I was telling him about it as an Kevin Dunn walk by and Kevin was like TJ that's on you to get some footage which like I was sitting in my hotel in. I did a seminar in Texas, and I was like, man, 'cause gyms here. Jim was at our house Thursday and Friday. And I was like, when there was some downtime, I should've put on a gals matching recorded the reaction classic TJ rip. But you're mentioning earlier when you said that that Kevin, when you putting together the tribute video for Anil that he wanted you to send him. The pictures is super supportive about like the morning of finding out that news. You know, Kevin was awesome about just making sure that they just wanted to make sure that video package was perfect. And for me, you know, you know what? It's like to get that prime time TV time. Raw for me for the company for WWE to put together such an incredible video package of my dad. It was almost three minutes long and like they were pictures that were personally coming from me, not just from their archive and then we're like family photos, baby pictures. Like I think it's just was made it. My mom made my mom, my sisters and I feel so much better that my dad was going to get the spotlight and we it was just that to me the company just they just handled everything so perfectly. They will when real life stuff. The company is honesty second to none. But let me say this though, is also interesting too, because listen, unfortunately, there's a lot of guys that pass away in the business. Jim, you forget intil somebody like envelope pass away. I'm just looking Instagram or who had posted this picture. That dude, I know did seventy seventy six thousand likes on Instagram, which usually I'll get fifteen or twenty or twenty five. I got texts from people all around the world, saying Sawyer. Envel-. I don't know how close you are. I can't believe Advil died for guys like coming up in the business and my generation. The Hart foundation was frigging huge and Jimmy envel- nine or was a huge personality within that. I think we've forgotten now to a little bit thirty years later when he passed away. A lot of people like holy shit, the anvil part of much and so w be treated Jim with the reverence and respect he deserved as a star within the company. I think you know what I mean? I know you're, you're absolutely right. And I always believe everybody always says the Hart foundation and BULLDOGS, and this person should be in the hall of fame and this I believe in my heart that the company has a strategy for everything. And I believe that like WBZ's not a race, it isn't a race. It's not the whole thing. Doesn't lecture hall of fame coming up in New York isn't the last one? That's right. It's the time will come when it's the right time. And for me, like last year, my dad came to, I brought my, I really felt strongly about bringing my dad wrestlemainia last year and. We weren't going to do it. And then about a week before wrestlemania I said to my mom, I'm gonna get you guys tickets. You're gonna come down. We're gonna. I want daddy there and it was a very last minute decision to bring my dad wrestlemainia and I'm glad I did because a lot of people got to see him and say hi to them and take pictures with him. And my dad felt really special and important, but it was also I could also see that my dad there were some times that he was struggling a little bit. Like at the hall of fame ceremony, he couldn't stay for the whole. He couldn't stay super long line at the hotel. I mean, the line was born, the buses it, my dad just wasn't. You know, he just he just it was like overwhelming for also having the condition had what it make him get nervous or he couldn't be around people, or was he starting to feel physically sick or what do you mean? My dad was like, there's moments that he was super clear and then there was just moments that he was kind of quiet and like vacant milk. And then there was moments that he was great and nobody would know that there was anything wrong and then there was moments again. He was like, he would just kind of need some space. I think being around a lot of people. Yeah, resumes, tough for us. Yeah. And remind you know, he just we really created like a fortress round. My dad, my mom and my sisters TJ you know, like I was super protective of my dad and I still am super protective of him. That's why I told you. I was like my dad's not doing any other interviews. He's only going to do your podcast because I know you'll do him Justice. I know that you're gonna. I know he'll I knew he'll feel comfortable and safe and I feel safe having you do it, and that was the last interview my dad ever did. And we, we had to do some edits because he repeated some of the stories and stuff. But when you listen to that show, it's a great show. He did a gray, no, his long term memory was insane. Like even that last Thursday and Friday, when he came in with his sister, remember watching a old family videos and old family photos. And he would remember like Elliott CEO is that this cat, you know, it's this one, and then his sister was like, yeah, you're right. And his long term memory was that's why telling those stories wrestlemainia too. Gotcha. And Andre and he would recite those perfectly air can remember all that sort of stuff yesterday he might not remember what we did, but also go ahead. No, you're it. Just it's just what with my dad. This isn't just recently, but my whole entire life. My dad was just such a unique person with my dad. We always look everything one day at a time because he was so you kind of was larger than life. At times. He was an ultimate brother. You talking about a guy from the eighties, and then we mentioned those guys traveling three hundred and fifty days a year. Whatever was not. And that's not a joke. You know it because you were a little. Do you remember about that? Like, do you remember him being gone long periods of time and being home only for a couple of days like, yeah, I just remember my dad growing up in the eighties in the heyday of the, you know, I'm trying to think of the the WBF kind of, yeah, I boom, boom of that. Even just tag team wrestling with the BULLDOGS and the killer bees, and the, you know, our listen militian likely. I just remember my dad got being gone a lot, and I talked with Meena Serono Snuka to me and. Snuka. Her dad was Jimmy Jimmy, and she said that, you know her dad would be gone like three hundred days a year. My dad and Jimmy Snuka actually travelled together at times and our dads were gone misfit, a hell of a card. Driving on my dad loved. He really is not very, no, it's funny. I never really. I never heard bash anybody. My dad's very funny thing about him. Like besides Luke gallows fake Dallas. Gals? My dad was really my dad was just like he was just really cool, and that's what I'm going back to that. Because I, I keep looking at these pictures of my dad and it's like he was dressing like Conor McGregor back in the eighties. He had this like weird shirt and sunglasses, and it was like a flower shirt with these really tight jeans and like they were like, whoa, my dad was like, he's he were the pink kind of bad news Alleanza like the kind of the African on it. I remember I saw that as I forgot pink leather like African hat, and I don't even think it was a man's hat. I think it was a woman a day just found his to have known the story. Like, did he maybe get Brett one? Two and was thinking he's wearing it. He could pull it off ipad. Yeah. Like Brett just has the best stories about my dad, but my dad was just so cool and he just growing up like wasn't unusual for my dad to come to our PTA meetings with the fanny pack on not shirt wearing spandex with my dad used to wear the natured no-shirt Meese leaves. I give me some time. I've known them like like like like buzz like you'd wear underneath your knee pad. All Gotcha. Like the neoprene. Yes. Got you. Wear them around his ankles. So he had like his almost like he had a little boot on with this knee, you'd wear air Jordans or whatever. The coolest tennis shoes were. He's a big shoe guy and like Rolex watches to me Lonzo. Jim all the time with like the shorts in the the tight, yeah, underneath. Yeah, that was Jim's level that. So he he would go to your, do you recall him going and having a conversation with the teacher. Did you ever have to go talk to teacher because you've got in trouble or something? He came and gave a, we had a bring your bad the work day, and my dad. My, I'm not joking. My little sisters can attest to this. My dad came on his ninja motorcycle and he, my dad loved these like shirts like they were if you remember them no fear and some of them had like these really drug nut derogatory, but sort of derogatory messages like no fat chicks allowed or like that's right. And like some of them were just like, we're so eighties, right? So so eighties, I don't even know where he got them, but it was just funny because my dad was show up. He'd be wearing the kneepads on his ankles, the fancy fancy like pumps, Reebok pumps or the Doorns or the. He'd just had these cool shoes on. I can't remember what the cool shoe wasn't eighties, but something and game with like no shirt on fanny pack, ninja motorcycle. And then he, I think my mom made it put a shirt on, but he, he talked to the kids. It was like, miss Moore was my teacher, and he came and talked to the kids about now. It's so important for them to excel in sports and that for him it wasn't even about academics. It was about, and he was because my dad had a full scholarship to any university in the US that he wanted anyone. It really anywhere in the world football for shopping shopping when my dad was eighteen years old LA times actually, when my dad passed away, they posted an article and my dad has a whole. I'm so happy. We're talking about this. This is really therapeutic for me as I appreciate you guys letting me talk about it my whole life. My dad would talk about this track meet, and it was like he'd always talk about this guy and this track meet in this guy that he had to beat and it was like, come on, he pleases the, like, you know, my dad would just talk about this track meet and it was like almost what my dad was making this up because I was like, come on like my dad's like Dubai. I was going to be the best in the world when I was eighteen and surely enough. When my dad passed away l. a. times sent me, tweeted me the article and I'll show it to you. Tweeted me the article in a picture, and they said this, this meet. My dad did a whole interview with them. And it said this was the meat that it my dad at this time. My dad was second in the nation. For shop wet and that his like, if he beat you walk are do belong. Okay, this guy, I think it was John DuBois, DuBois anyway, if you beat why I was like, oh my God. My dad talked with DuBois. My whole lot is real and I was like, this is the article. This is the meat. This is what my dad was talking about. I never. I was just thinking he was asking me. You're so funny because it's not like it's like the album de Poci thing. It's not like it's not like Ben who didn't do anything athletic, the rest of his life. All you should have seen this one time forty years ago. He went on to excel in all types of athletics, but this point seventy three. The this at this time, my dad was before he had this meet. He was the second best shot put her in the nation. So because of his shot pudding, he. Could go to any university in the US that he wanted to. But my dad was a cowboy and he just, I guess, at the time UCLA was the place to be track. And that was where Bruce Jenner went for track and field. My dad would always talk about Bruce Jenner for his debt Khatlon or triathlon he'd borrow my dad's Lana think maybe he borrow my Bruce Jenner borrow. My dad put and my dad was just an elite elite athlete, but that article was like, oh my God, my dad wasn't just like, not that. I think he's a Bs are, but like second best in the nation come on Mike, and it's cool when you get like my dad played hockey for ten years in jail, and I'll get tweets from people finding articles or a picture of my mom and dad from nineteen sixty seven in Los Angeles at a hotel next to the pool, or it's cool that when you have a dad of a family that has some some, you know, some history when you find this stuff. It's so cool and our social means. That's right. Yeah, that's the good side of it. Right. And it's just, yeah, all these people have been sending pictures and like I just I just think my dad was just such. An elite unique he he was my dad taught me more than any other person, and I know you're very, I think you have a lot of accent, which I think are good. It's good for your kids and for people around the world to go like even just your last like gear cost locally at it in new Japan was just very unique. My dad has taught me my whole life to be unique. He he's just don't don't color inside the lines. Just be different b. Stand out be every it's so important to be different. And I, I think that sometimes more afraid to be different. My dad has dot me so much about being different standing out, you know, just being like Brett was more kind of look at the heart foundation. Brett was more civilized and normal, not normal, but he was more like the heartthrob in my dad was like, just crazy. It was. It was why was such a great mix? He was like he looked. He looked insane and he was big and he was barrel chested. And like I said, he had the gut that wasn't a gut. It was just a big man's stomach lifter powerlifter the goatee. And we talked about this when he was on the show, like in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. Nobody had go like that nowadays every rock and roll band everybody. But nobody had that. It was the only guy you could say, who has who has a flattop haircut and a long goatee wearing pink, peac stood out just being different. Like my dad just like loved being different. And we went our last. Outing was this mashing bumpkins concert and Billy is Billy just anybody that knows Billy knows. He just loves wrestling and my dad Billy was always so kind to my dad made my dad feel really important and special or my dad. I don't. I don't know if my dad ever really. I mean, that's kind of wasn't my dad's generation music, but because Billy was so nice to him, my dad came to the concert and he was just looking at all these costumes abilities like that. These these a bad ass and he's like, I like that like Billy had a skirt on and like paint on his face. And my dad was like this, so cool. Like you see him playing guitar. Like he was just like, I remember that I said to Billy, I'm like, I'm not sure if my dad's going to be able to make it through the full concert. But Bill Billy's like we'll just if he doesn't feel good comeback stage. My dad was rocking out at that concert and like I was like, daddy's got more energy than me. My sisters, my mom, like, you know, it's funny. I was telling you have to like he he came to light, but like eleven o'clock at night. And he was like, that was great. You're on the air. Like my point is is that my dad was just really different and he had that energy and he just like people that were different. 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And I remember I was such a small kid anyway, thinking how huge is this guy's giant and and then all of a sudden you hear him speak very soft spoken and berry like very eloquent though. We'll talk about that now. We'll talk about that natty because he spoke very intelligent lately which wants to end you wouldn't expect such a big crazy looking guy fast forward. I don't for whatever reason we, we always got along when he he had a job in Sasebo before natty and I were together. But in two thousand he was he was actually telling me about Brian Kendrick and Daniel Bryan because he was in, he was in Memphis, Jim out of job as a talent. Oh. In Memphis. And so he's, he came to a stampede shooting Toco. You'd be great. And he took a bunch of pictures of me wrote a bio, which is very funny like he wrote it for you. Very funny. I pictures Ted nineties, like all this is perfect. They're looking for young guys and you just feel like I don't we and we got along ever since and we never ever ever had any kind of it ever ever. I don't even think my dad like never really acknowledged that we were a couple even to the end, like it was like DJ was like utilize nagging said, I think it'd be knew that we were together. You might not like what you're married. Split the Bill. I always vision because my dad would never like he's because you guys have been been dating since you were teenagers. I think he knows the exact Dan Mattias in one thousand nine hundred twenty one at the time. Okay, so it was very early on. Yeah. Yeah. And so one day the kid that's always hanging out dating my daughter. Everything's so unorthodox and unconventional about our relationship. We already living together as friends in the guesthouse at stews. So like and we don't sure everybody already thought we were together. All right. So we were really well. You were really. Annoying for a long time, four years. Because you in Ted, we're really close teddy Hart. And so I always thought teaching it was taboo get on my nerves because he's always trying to act cool and you're guilty by association doesn't get. He's like, it was just like like two peas and upon. Being money from being friends with that was funny because it was guilty by association, but then also over time, it was easy to look like the easy going person compared to him too, so. So you have to get past that first day JR. But then after that, it's like he's pretty good. It's not as bad as him. It's chubby guy hanging out with the Cheb your guy, mcclinton comparison. But let's talk about the eloquence. And you mentioned Kevin done talking about when he saw gyms, like baby pictures, like, oh my gosh, he was so classy as a child talk a little bit about about his family upbringing. Yeah. And then my dad was really, he was from a very affluent family and his. His dad was an attorney and his, his grandfather was a district attorney, and his mom was just this beautiful. Almost like off the show you a picture of her, but she just looked like a Hollywood starlet and his sister was just. Trying to think Debbie is she works. She does something with them, the courts in California, but they're like very well educated, very classy kids, and my grandfather or no, my great grandfather. My dad's grandfather who my dad idolized call them poppy. You always my mom and dad talk out. He owned a hotel called the lamp later in Disneyland. And so my my dad's street. Right? Yeah, like it was like in back then to think of owning a hotel. Sure. Disney was like crazy. And so the the lamp lighter would host all of these starlets like Rita Hayworth and Clark Gable would play on the piano there. My dad mom and their living room have that piano that Rita Hayworth and Clark Gable would play. Wow. And my dad like that was so special with my mom, they, they have it still in their going through everything. Every thing every high and low of my mom and dad's life that was like front and center because it was like Rita Hayworth late on that. But it's such a special like my dad just came from a very that would explain his his his speech. Well, educated again, went to UCLA had a full scholarship there. His mom and dad were very, my dad came from a very wealthy background, and it's funny because that's the opposite of what my mom came from. Because the hearts it was always sort of feast or famine. If right, if this was good, it is if stampede wrestling was things were great. They were on top. If they, if business wasn't good, they were barely able to eat Brett's wearing wearing Waring's. Wayne's dole jeans. Hello? And so my dad was from the opposite of that. So he was kind of spoiled and never wanted for anything, but I think growing up with for my dad, one of the hardest things in his childhood was when my when his parents, my grandparents, when they split up, my dad went to live with his dad and my aunt Debbie, who is my dad's only sibling. She went to live with her mom. So. It was like in their teens, and that was really hard because they were so close. But you know, it was like, I don't know who made the decision, but it was like, okay, gyms going to live with Hank and Debbie's going to live with Katie. And it was like, I think it was really hard for my dad because his kinda world was being ripped apart. So that was a traumatic thing for my dad and his his life. And I think I sometimes think never really got over his parents divorce because they were such a close secure, tight-knit little family. So as we got older, my mom and dad like through thick and then they were always together. They always worked everything out my mom. I said this at the funeral service and my mom, she how while my dad was she deserved Nobel peace prize thing. So they never, they never split up, never. Why like they, they have, you know, my mom and dad, they had a, I feel like it's safe to say that they had their ups and downs, but they never be never got a divorce. They never had a break-up that lasted longer than twenty four hours. It just was like, my mom would get mad and my dad would be like, you know, they just they had envelopes. While my dad was just just by proxy those worth the majority of those guys in the eighties. Yeah, just by their schedule and what they were going through and all the it was the eighties. Everybody was drugs and steroids or whatever it was, but angle was one of the guys that was wilder than wild. Yeah, it's a little your mom to put up with. That's what I say saying his genetics must be just be so insane lately, right? Because he he's around from those times and he's like here. He is a few weeks, so he's still strong as hell? Yeah, he's my dad was just, I'm like, I said, I know I keep going back to it, but he was just so cool and so different. Like even up until the end, like he loved those roots of fight shirts and every time more every single time I would Vander Holyfield Mike Tyson. Every picture that you post, he's wearing one of the people at route to fight. They're so sweet. They always send me like they would always send me boxes for my dad. So I had this little box that was stashed away still have it, and I wouldn't like every time he comes over, he gets a new shirt. I loved. I loved because my dad's. A big kid. He was like a big kid and gifts. He loves gifts and loves little presents and stuff, and I so I always had this little stash of things I'd collect like from work. I would get like Big Joe shirt or Mark Henry Johnson. I would have the all these shirts for him, and I think my dad loved that because I love to give them little gifts when he came over. So he would just get really excited. He'd almost like ripped bag open with his teeth. And so I still have this box. Every time I came over, he would like March in the house like Porky pig as retin, call them. He still wars fanny pack teddy had a president for you, and he's like present for me like any opened up a whole. I love this and sometimes the shirts that bit him, but he didn't care. You know, it's funny. We talked about the fanny pack on the show and two years ago when we tape that now fanny packs are popular. Again, he probably could find a better one time he couldn't find they wear. Right to the locker room with an Alexander Wang. That's the new thing now. I'm like, you gotta be frigging if all the fashioned, that's what's coming back in maybe a couple more years Hazel be rate on them. Probably never. But did you ever did you ever work with envelope TJ when he was doing independence or independence? So like Ted did and Harry as well, but I never, I never did any kind of natty natty team with them a couple of times actually. Did you. I saw there's one that you guys are doing a heartfelt. She clothesline tag match and Edmonton finished called the heart fund is your heart attack heart attack? We did right before I got signed. We had done like two tag matches together and my dad. I didn't want them wearing gear because I was like, no, you're too. You're not wearing your old year. You're not wearing gear from nineteen eighty. Like I was very, like I said, I'm very, I was very protective of my dad. I just wanted him to. I wanted to make sure he was on looking great. So he had this cool these motorcycle boots in these cool like motor cross pants that he was wearing and then we heart attack together. And so my dad's role always for the heart attack was to hold the guy like in a bear hug. And Brett's job was to hit the ropes and clothesline the guy. And so my dad was playing the role of himself and I was being breads and my dad. He just is so funny because like the way that's what the guy dug his heels into my dad's shins and my dad. Was so mad after that. He was like, he just dug his heels into my shins and like my dad wanted to kill the guy. And I was like, well, don't worry. Daddy. I took care of it was the clothes on. The poor guy said another one to Victor. Yeah, Rick, Victor, ascension. And so what my dad and he had not dig the heels. He's good worker. You did not dig the heels in, but my dad was just so funny because he didn't like being stiffed, but he but from what I understand, my dad was be most stiff guy ever, but he didn't like being stiff. So he didn't want anyone stipping him, but he was very stiff with everyone else. Here's here's something that's very funny. So I never met and Ville until he came to WCW him and Davey. And those guys when they came in, they were like the couldn't believe how dysfunctional WCW was envel- mentioned you'd never been paid so much money to do nothing, and they would show up there and just just hanging around. And because I was traveling with Ben wa and Eddie and dean, we then inherited Davey and and Jim because they're Calgary guys and like, right and I was guys do. We really want to go back to six and van because we started with six. We had paired or. I'm Ben was like, you know, the part of the family, like I get the part of the family, do we do. We really have to do this because then now we have to wear a who's going to the gym and who wants to do this, that all your. And so then I was not stuck, but trauma Davey and Advil. So it was. It was like, oh, I was. It wasn't like they weren't. I don't remember them being hard to try with those two extra guys and they couldn't believe it was going on and not smog is not small guys and also very outspoken and drinking beer in the car, whatever it was they were doing. But I had to work with anvil once and this is what I was finally getting a push in WCW when Davy just took off, we went to England. And then Jim, Jim, was there on his own. As we Dave, you're supposed to go to TV and do a couple more weeks and then meet us in England when he was dropping us off at the airport, he was like, and he just bought a ticket and, oh, you guys are working for like dick som- something. We're just going on like a family vacation and then so he he just split up. And then I remember seeing Jim afternoons Davey left me. You left me alone for the last six weeks. I've been working all these guys. Skied Norton, Chris Jericho. So this is what I was getting a push in w. I think it was the TV champion at the time, and I was crews wait for a long time even even though I weighed two hundred twenty five pounds, they still cruise away thing. So there was a little bit of a stigma. I said this on a podcast book and Bischoff got so mad, but there was a real stigma if you a away to work with the heavyweight guys Booker t. never wanted to do it. And Jim, I remember when I had to work with them, they were putting me over and gyms like he's a cruiserweight. And so as we had a match, I remember being a really good match, but the finish was the walls of Jericho when I could not turn him over. I don't doubt it and either he didn't want to be turned over or he didn't understand the concept that he'd been wrestling for twenty years. So I think he just didn't want to get turned over and I could not turn this guys. You can imagine. He's like a bowling ball, three hundred pounds. And I remember I tried. I couldn't do it. I tried again. And I haven't watched it back. But in my mind, I I didn't know what to do. It's live TV. I couldn't turn them over and just couldn't turn them over. And the best thing of all is there's a WW trading card that I have to sign all the time and who do I have the legs of the pink tights, the step aside, and I'm like accord. It looks good there, but I couldn't. And I think eventually turn them over a bit, and I don't think he was doing it like to double cross. I just think he either got confused or he got, he got excited or frustrated or whatever it was. We just couldn't do it. We couldn't do it. And that's the one time I worked with advocates still laugh to this day. So funny if you couldn't turn this guy over and he wasn't going anywhere. It's just like, sorry, live on TV on TV is the one time I ever with a man, but it was. It was. It was, like I said, we actually had a really good match, but I just remember that. I think my dad's sometimes you got, really, he got really if he was very set in his ways, which actually brings me to a bunny story. Total divas spoiler. Oh, so those are total divas in the can with him on. Oh, wow. Which is funny because there's a whole season, Mike, because I saw one cat at the funeral, like who is that guy? He was the producer from total divas. It's funny because I actually said to the producers guys name Russell Russell producers. Russell was so wonderful to my mom and dad. Like while we while we like he featured my dad on so many episodes of total divas because they all fell in love with my dad. He knows what to do, and he was just funny in different. Like he just stood out and these my dad was born for reality TV. He was just so funny. And so they called Russell just was calling to say, you know, hey, I'm really sorry about everything. And just he was crying and like beside himself about when he found out about my dad's passing and. He says, wrestling, go, you know what you guys were so great to my dad and so kind and so sweet and just featured him front and center. I said, I would love for my dad to get another little spotlight. If you guys want to come and you know if you wanna film his service and you know, my dad would love that he would love all the attention. He would love it, and so they came. That's why that's why Russell was there? Did they film it? They did some of the service vary. Like, let's cool though. Just the one Carolina idle just very, you know, that's the thing is you didn't even notice that they were there. They were very discreet and I thought, you know, my dad like my dad just he would just love to be honored and and so my dad is in all this whole season coming up of total divas and we had this funny what was Orioles gonna get to you mentioned he was sitting his ways. Yes, thank you. This is why you're good at this being attention back on track and like babbling on right now. Hard. I Gotcha. You got. And so my dad, we were doing this hot yoga and my sister and I. Started doing yoga, and we just love doing hot yoga. And so I thought this'll be funny like my dad should come and do yoga with us. And we funny to see my dad trying to do these poses. And so my dad, we were trying to get him to wear yoga clothes because you can't go into a yoga class wearing jeans or motocross pants or like, and so I was trying to get my dad these little shorts, but I didn't realize we gave them the shorts. They were like they were neon green and they were kind of like thin. And I thought, oh, when we start the hot yoga class, that's going to be really funny. My dad's wearing these skin-tight neon, green see-through shorts, and it's going to get really hot, and we're all going to get really sweaty in this class and my dad for the life of him. Just like you said, when he wouldn't let you turn them over in the walls of Jericho, he would not put on the pants and go daddy. I will give you ten thousand dollars right now. If you put the pants on. Of course, I wasn't going to give him that making it up. I go, daddy, I'll buy you a motorcycle. Put the put shorts on my dad's like no. Go, daddy, put the pants on. My dad was like, I'm not doing it. And it was like grabbing my dad with large large amounts of money, new motorcycle. I was like, you can have. You can have our house like my dad like, no, I don't want to like he didn't care what I offered. He wasn't putting the shorts on and he stuck to his guns. And he was like, Nope. And and to this day I laughed because I was like, I just thought, how funny would that be? Like we got like I got my dad into this yoga class and he, you know, we're twenty. When you guys came back here, he was still pretty hard. His mad. He was wanted me to put on these silly shorts, bicycle shorts. Very thin. If you didn't want to do something, he didn't want to do it. And that's probably what happened with you. I think he said he's not going to do this move. And I'm not, I said, have the rest of the match a strong do, but I was like, I remember almost thinking like, I don't know what to do like. I'm just going to drop the legs and maybe hit him with an elbow drop or something. I don't know what to do. Do so growing growing up in the business. When do you remember going to see your dad wrestle at all, and when did you kind of figure out that it was not not completely real, didn't really want us around his work too much because my dad was like my grandfather, Stu, he was very traditional and my way my dad was in WWE for a good portion of it. There was only since ational Sherry in Wendy, writ- writing miss Elizabeth and like there was very few women, especially in the eighties, there was just a handful of women. So my dad, you know, he loved of Sean. That was one of his favorite girls. He just thought she was awesome. And she was again, unique Lutely. I love. I like creek characters stood out, and I think my dad. Found that like he liked that about her is that she was so different. He'd always say like, he'd always tell me that he wished I would have met loon of Sean, but he didn't want us really around it because he felt like it was very much like it was just kind of a man's world. And then he didn't wanna seeing the tough and rough side of it. So he was very protective of us. Girls his daughters like we were just very, very protected. Whereas Brett would have his kids around it more and but you know, there's kids do sons were boys in. I don't know, Brad has daughters around much either, but we were protected from it. I didn't see a lot of it. The I do remember one very special show that we all went to, which was the Canadian stampede in one thousand nine hundred seven. I believe I was there and you're doing? Yeah, we all came to that show and it was that was the last time that my entire family was in the ring together. Owen and Davey and my dad, Brad in Bilman, like just everyone was together. It was the last time I hope family was in the ring together and that was so special. I just remember like that being such a special. I remember being in that time thinking, this is also. Oh, cool. Like in, you know, obviously things got crazy after that, but but it was so many hearts in the ring that night. It was like thoroughly. Royal rumble a couple stragglers do because I can't. I don't know. I don't think I don't think. But yeah, we might. If you watch your back, you'll see like gyms the one guiding Stu into the ring and stuff and Helen. Yeah, but my dad was a real as Burley and rough and tough as he was. He was really a gentleman. He and my mom, remarried this year would have been forty years and they were, you know, my dad was extremely like he knew my mom was in charge. He knew my mom was the boss. My mom was, you know, she was. She really wore the pants, even though they had their ups and downs where the pink spandex is a conversation. He didn't wear the green. My dad really liked my mom kind of being charged like he, my mom, my mom was kind of like Stu and my mom has a lot of mannerisms like sushi's very, very stoic, like my grandfather and my dad. He just like there was nobody in the world that he loved more than my mom like she was just his. You know, she was just everything and my mom had my mom had my dad's back like like no matter what sort of conflict like my mom and dad were like something out of the sopranos or good Bellas, but no matter what kind of conflict they were having, whether my dad didn't wanna wear spent tight spandex or whether we didn't, even if my mom said a swear word, my mom, my dad would be like Ellie. Will you watch your language? You know, it was just funny because it's like just my dad was such a bundle of contradictions, but so let's talk about Jim and Stu. Because I knew we we talked before about how brought him in the stuff. Did you ever it was ever any stories that happen between the two? Did they hang out before Stu passed away? My grandfather was obsessed with my dad. Like I think is Brett mentioned at the service. My dad was the last person that ever really trained with Stu like that was the last studio, actual Stu Hart rained? Yeah, that was his last student end. My grandfather was obsessed with my no matter what my dad did, no matter what mistakes my dad made in his life. It didn't matter to my grandfather, my student walk in the house and it was my dad guy. My grandfather would look my dad up and down be like he didn't care if my dad had just, you know, he didn't. He just my dad. We looked at my dad. He looked at his neck. He looked at his arm body up and he was like. Solid. You know, he's a solid SOB in like you call my dad a big bastard. He called me get back on track. Yeah. What he looked like. He was obsessed with my dad, and it's so funny because I remember my dad had been let go from WWE. Probably third, fourth, maybe fifth time he's up there with Martin. A few different runs. But I remember my mom writing a letter because back then they didn't have emails and they just had phones or snail mail letter. My mom wrote a letter Vince and and it just kind of been has an had such a special relationship with everybody in my family. And my mom wrote this letter to Vince and I found the letter, I'm gonna show it to you later. But my mom wrote this letter to been saying, you know, just in the future, if you get my invest in the future, please give give him another chance or take it into take it into consideration. You'd like to continue to work for WWE and Vince new the my dad just had to kind of get a few things sorted out in his life. And Vince wrote my mom, this really beautiful letter back. And he was like, Elliott. This time right now, I think Jimmy's a lesson. It was like it was like. Fatherly. Vince though it was like very, very fatherly. And I actually, I have the letter in one day. I will show it to Vince, but it was just it was reminded me of my grandfather, Stu and how like forgiving and loving Vince was even towards my dad even when he was going through ups and downs. He was like, you know right now at this time we feel it's best takes takes breeders sort of thing. And and then he signed it like Vince and he, you know, he took the time to write this letter and sign it, send it back to my mom and it was like their communication, their mutual understanding like Vince respected my dad, but like it just like stupid. He understood that my dad like, you know, at that time, my dad needed to kind of grow. We needed to kind of be, you know, we needed. He needed some distance from them, you'd have seen, and but Stu is like that too. Very forgiving of my dad and very, he. He loved my dad, and my dad has had this charisma, sometimes charisma get you through so much absolute. My dad got out of so many different things in his life because he had so much. You could talk the pants off anyone, right? Right, right. Yeah, you know and that and that's important to be able to do that. You have great life skill. Yeah, especially for a guy like Advil. In trouble. 'cause I know Stu went to bat for Jim, a few times, even back when the regional territory was sold to Vince. Right, Bruce, Berkshire. We'll talk about on his podcast. Allow he'll do a student impersonation and it's always you got any you gotta room for an Ville on the and it's always like, he's like every time Jim came back was still making that phone call. And yeah, Vince being then he that he loves Stu, any did love Jim. So he was like, okay, we'll find some. And Vince really love. Yeah, Stu students, Yanni bad ever there. Jim was doing great or if something had happened to his out, we just gotta get them back on track. Then he'll be great for, like you said, just looking at his neck. Yes, that's a stupid thing. Grab your arm and guess how much you weigh did twenty five. He was like a carnival Barker you could get it right just by feeling your arm. One hundred eighty just had this talk with a lesser, not too long ago, but he brought, yeah, with the guests. Brock's wait at that Calgary the one time and you're right, you're the one who introduced them, but gosh, what do pass seven eight. It was the day you wrestle vibe rock. Yes. Probably two thousand three or so three. Two thousand to maybe yet around that time. Three, three on three rape before I went to Japan. That's the only time I ever worked with Brock was Calgary and shows how about Owen, Owen and Jim team together as the new heart foundation get along wells as well, they, yeah. No, my dad Owen got along. Great. And I think I think Owen was like its own was very straight laced, very other than his intense practical jokes. I think Owen really looked after my dad and Bret really did too, and that's why I, you know, not get back to brat. But like Brett said that he owed a lot of success in his career to my dad, but in fairness to Brad and this isn't about brat. I know this is about my dad, but I believe strongly that my dad was never meant to be a single guy. He was always meant to be was going to say that earlier he was, and I just feel like that. And I'm probably the most just being in the business, understanding understanding some things about that. I understand tag teams like nobody else, but I just feel strongly that my dad was never meant to be a single guy and that he and Brett complimented each other so much. But I just know my dad's personality and I know that I feel like Brett really kept them on track and Bret really gave my dad, my dad needed structure. My mom provided that for my dad. She gave my dad's structure that he needed. He provided at home and Brett provided rep provided that for him at work and Brett was like, and I guess that's the quality of heart heart's what? What makes heart so special? Is that even though they're all little offbeat, they're all extremely loyal. They're fiercely loyal. If they stand by you, they'll stand by you through thick and thin. Doesn't matter if you're on top where you're on the bottom. That's just how they roll. And Brett's was fiercely loyal to my dad protected. My dad kept them on track the way that my mom did at home. And I feel like if it wasn't for Brett, I think my dad, I don't know if my dad would have had this success in WWE that he did, and Owen and Brett Davey and they all kind of kept his little unit even when BULLDOGS left WWE and they all were so close because they started together when you travel the road with someone, you know, you just build this unbreakable bond that you can. Explain it to people only when you travel with them only when people do what we do. Do they understand that like when when Davy passed away, Jim Serta wearing this, one of his need one of Davies's kneepads a bulldog Union. Jack nip has an elbow pad. Josie was doing. Yeah. Say that because there's certain guys like I, if you look at the Aerosmith okay, we know Steven Tyler, Joe pair, but there's a guitar player, Brad Whitford if he wasn't an Aerosmith probably wouldn't be famous, but in that band in that chemistry. Perfect. I think anvil was like that. Like you mentioned something about the chemistry with those two in the heart foundation. He was. He was perfect for that. And that's why he so legendary within the business because that is one of the greatest tag teams of all time, and it's okay that you're not a huge single star. There's nothing wrong with that because in his in his legacy, that was the perfect role for him. And that was what my dad just needed, Brad, he needed. And that was that, and thank God time Brent needed him to because Brett wasn't trying to make it to his far as he would've. Yes. So that's why it's that's why it's a great pairing one second. Yeah, no, no, exactly. Each other they didn't and they, I think they both knew that even if they didn't. I know Brad has expressed that later even if they didn't express it at that time, I think they both knew it. And I think I. To if you're talking about Bret Hart in one thousand nine hundred eighty six or eighty five. He was not a good promo. He wasn't particularly charismatic. I mean he could deliver his lines had to, but it was angle was the one that the lie, the laugh. You know, he made it like he made them crazy. We're Brett was the technician yet, but ammo was the bell rang. That's Brett's play. That's where he goes to work. And also I found that Jesse Ventura he must have loved animals. Well, because he always put anvil over which made us believe more in has crazy in the powerhouse. And yeah, and that sort of thing. You know, I agree. Any think exactly. It's like we said earlier and we said last time, just a combination. There are very different than the rest of the tag teams of that time. Everyone else is the same or very slim it to the partner, Ryan bees of the same. Same BULLDOGS. Same slipped the same heart function for some weird reason. This one team and there was like some poll, and this might might have been five years ago or longer on some WBZ. Dot com. Paul, but like they won some voting of like best tag team of all time, the Hart foundation, and I strongly, I mean, obviously they're working and everything they did is why I strongly feel that them being so different from the other guy, I think, helps you know, I had that they that they weren't in the w hall of fame. I was like, what are you talking about? Of course, they're in it. You know idea that they weren't as attacked him. But I think like once again, so many people texting that, you know, you talk to once in a while, but everyone was talking about the anvil and remembering like that was such a great team and also to Jimmy Hart. I mean, it worked and that's one thing for Vince to put them together. Whoever's vision it was. He made all three of those guys top top stars and they wouldn't have been if they were just all in their own. Ninety complimented each other as a unit and like. It was kind of like what Brett said at the service that he was getting ready to quit real. I don't remember that. He said he was getting ready to quit rape, and then they went with his idea to eat, and I want him to be the cowboy is getting ready to quit. But he was like, okay, you know, I've kind of run my course year. And then the next week is when they said, hey, we're going with your idea, right? All right. So the really there wouldn't be. I mean, who knows what would have happened. Did Jim still do like signings and stuff like that was the out there. Rarely in the last year or two, I didn't really want my dad doing signings. Not that I didn't want him seeing the fans, or I just, I really liked it project my dad. And like I said, I just knew that my dad sometimes being around a lot of people would be overwhelming to him. And so that's why I just, I was like, you know what? I want my dad, my mom to have no stress in their life. And I think for my dad, sometimes getting on a plane in like feeling overwhelmed and getting into a surrounding like a hotel and it just, I think sometimes the last two years of my dad's life, I just felt like it was a little overwhelming for him. So I just like my mom and dad, you know, I just made sure that they were protected and my dad, I think he would have loved the interaction with the fans more because he loved feeling important. He loved that spotlight. My dad loved to be in front of people and entertain. But I think also at the same time, he thought a little overwhelmed with his condition. So I very rarely let my dad do signings. He maybe did to in a year maybe, but anybody that was lucky enough to get him designed stuff, you know, obviously. Now it's going to be very special that they got him design anything because I just I really kept them kind of protected. It's funny as you were talking. I remember actually another animal story. It was the voice. My very first days in wrestling camp when Keith showed up, which is probably one of three days that he was there out of the three months and some os tell us soil. You hide just came back from it was working with Advil and some guy was doing three hundred pound bench, press name and it's really impressive bunch. You put another fifty pounds on put another one hundred pounds on, hey, put another one hundred and fifty pounds on did a four hundred fifty pound bench press went balloon pump. Catching. All right. Let's blow this popsicle stand and off. They went to get through at BJ's Jefferson, something like that. Dad role, good. We'll put off the fifty another hundred hundred and fifty one. Yeah, one of the guys that that was training in the dungeon before he had a story that he rented the gym at the gym and he said, and the last if he could work in, he was doing bench press. You said, yeah, man, no problem is you want to get in. I think he's doing to twenty five. He's like, you can go. So he goes, maybe puts on another plate three fifteen. He said, Jimmy, went to work in. Nope, you go and then guy goes and it's starting to get pretty heavy puts on maybe puts on twenty five hundred sixty five GM lugs passes on that set. Finally, four zero five. The guy the guy said I can't do four or five gyms like, okay, I'll take over now. Do any of the warm sets. Yeah, that would lift. And that was my dad. That was how my dad worked out. He would ask me if he go work in, he didn't work. He would work out by doing two sets of something right. He would literally walk up to a squat rack, squat six hundred pounds and walk out of the gym. That's it. And then he'd be like, I'm out, you don't like, but I do remember growing up that my dad, I don't think I've ever told anybody this, including you. I, my dad when we were growing up, we had a big, huge jarred and my dad. I remember how dedicated my dad was when he was on. This is the eighties during the heyday of the heart bound Dacian and my dad would sprint across the lawn as fast as he could. And I remember like as a kid going, that's crazy that daddy's running so fast. He was like a racehorse running. He have a start point where the mailbox was, and then all the way to the neighbors like edge their lawn. But we had a big yard at a big house in like my dad would run fast and hard, and he would that was his training. You would do these like wind sprints, and my dad would always take the shot, but we had in the garage because my dad was shot putter and always want my sister's to throw the shot put and always put it in the middle of the line. Like let's go, we were all like, no, we didn't think anything growing up. We weren't like, wow, daddy was a great track and field athlete. It was always just like our dads WWE legs. Always thought of them, like it was so cool that are dab was we would take my dad's championship. We didn't even appreciate my dad's track career. We always just like whatever like, 'cause like I said, it was like, WWE was the cool thing and but my dad when he had won the tag titles, we'd take my sisters and I took out his championship out of his bag. And he had one of those silver Halliburton's. They'll have them back then and it reeked. It wreaked up not of capi. It didn't surprise if this was family feud. I would've guessed Kathy. It didn't recap b, but it reeked. I would always get my dad. This icy hot, and so it's reeked of ice up always smelt like ice which are they would also put on the vising bottles which I told last time Rivi other by squirting vising laced with Tiger Balm, icy hot into each other's eyes. That's funny. The good ribs. He real funny real funny and real mind now, and we took funny our cat to pauses in. L. about. He's right in my podcast bag. He's right, don't wet that. Don't wet that. The two pause cast his picture. So go ahead. Tell the story all let you get the picture. I got it done, but my sister saw when I stole my dad's championship out of his Halliburton and my dad was getting ready to perform that night at Madison Square Garden with bread, and we took the title out of the bag and we were running around the house, and my dad took off for the airport without the title, and then he was going through security. He was like, oh my God, I like he realized that he didn't have it. So my mom, of course, like my mom, my mom and dad were like, like I said, the only way I can describe their relationship with like goodfellas. My dad was like Ray Liotta. My mom was the wife. She must have put up with end. My mom raced back to our house from the Tampa airport. We lived in land lakes. She raced back to our house inland lakes in like twenty minutes, probably going crazy speed that I can't even describe and got that championship back to my dad before he took off. That's great. And it was just like, because people going to realize when you have a title you, you have the title, you'll you hold onto your responsibility to take it to and from the town's. Yeah, you can't have up to go on the road for the next twenty eight deaths, right? Yeah, exactly. So my mom got that back to, but I just remember when we were kids, we just thought it was so cool like we just had such and then my dad would come home. We'd be gone be gone. And I tried to kind of mention this that the general, but I didn't wanna get long winded at the Pierre role really didn't want to be hillbilly. Jim plus was bless his heart. I love hillbilly Jim, but I didn't want to get too long winded a hall of fame speech, which was nine hours. I think he's still doing it. As a matter of fact, it was long and. And it was, you know, he speaking from the heart, but it was very long and I didn't want to be like, I just thought to myself after that night, I was like, I just could never be like that. And I mentioned that my dad when he come home, one of the things that always stands out to me about my childhood when my dad would get off the road, we had a routine because he'd be gone for like twenty eight days at a time. So mom knew that we wouldn't see my dad very much because she kind of almost raised us as like a single mom home for like four days or something maybe made Abajo maybe three days, maybe maybe the weekend. So my mom knew that those days that my dad came home, we have to really make those days count. And so my mom would let us miss school and pick my dad up from the airport. My dad would have presence for us because we love presence. I told you about when I get my dad presence, that was a learned behavior and my dad loved presence in you would have all these presents for us little things like when he vipers class that give you the little bag and like the thing in the socks. And I remember my sisters and I love so great. We, we thought it was greatest thing ever. Daddy has little delta bag bras. And Mike, my dad would get KOMO knows from Japan and special a little dolls from, you know, when they stayed at the. KEO plaza. And and so my dad would always have presents for us. That was the first thing we got presence, and then we'd go to toys r. us and my dad would let us get whatever we wanted. And so we'd always get a barbecue or whatever. And then we go to seven, eleven because my mom was like stew. She didn't. There was no junk food allowed in our house. Like my mom was like, we had the worst lunches as kids because I'll be like a sake ham and cheese sandwich that melted in Florida, sun with an apple stuck on top of the and my dad was like Catholic cool. You know, he was like, we're going to go to seven, eleven. We'd all walk into seven eleven. That was I think, as a kid that was our favorite thing was seven. Eleven? We go into seven, eleven? My dad would let us get four things each. We'd get slurpy. We'll get a certain candy. We would get chips in like something else like a ring pop. So whatever and my dad would, we'd all go into check out. We will be like that was just our thing. We'd get our little junk food and we would take our time eating the Doritos we would. Everything was savored from those little trips and my dad would. Let us stay up until all hours of the night. We could stay up to a one or two in the morning if we wanted. My dad would make us Margaritas and he would make Margaritas for my mom and him. He was master Margarita maker. That was his thing. He again, Kelly thing, he would make these Margaritas and he had a special way of making them. He put dumped the entire bottle. It's Keila into the blender, and then mix in the juice and they were like so strong. But that was for him and my mom dab, and then he'd make us a little sample version of that virgin semi. So and I, I could get a little edgy on your show. They were stay little bit of tequila. And what do you like eight years old? And we didn't stay to this day the girls like the twins. And when we're filming total divas, I always love like a Margarita because always reminds me of when like because of my dad, I'm very, like I have a pretty clean life because I'm always like, I want to be the opposite, but but I loved Keelan to this day because my dad would always lives have a little tiny taste of it. And we go swimming in the pool. My dad would play the doors. He loved the doors and we would play the door. That's why we played riders on the storm at my dad's. And so we would listen to the doors. We'd go swimming in the pool. We would have our Margaritas and we would eat our chips in our toys and it was like we were spoiled rotten when my dad was home just for three days. And then when my dad would leave, we was back to business. But those were great job. Those we made the times count with my dad. We made the moments count even if it was just for a few days. We just made made account. As we wind down here, did you talk to Vincent all after? Did he talk to you too? Jim passed away. I did talk to him and he, he just was so so supportive. And so like he just was just. Vince is just, I know vents is always loved my dad, and they've always just like Stu, I, I talk affectionately about my grandfather's do, but I kind of feel the same way about Ben's. He just has that fatherly bins is very fatherly to a lot of us, and I think that's really cared about my dad and gave my dad's so many opportunities. And so many opportunities to shine and bins was just so supportive and so understanding. And he just wanted me to be with my my mom and my sisters and just pretty much was open to whatever I needed. And what was so sweet was just being included in summer slam because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to make show, and you know been really wanted me there. And I think for as long as I live, I will remember like thinking to myself, you know what I needed that I actually really needed to go to summer slam and get my mind off of this course and been wanted me to have that. He just wanted me to get my mind off things or gyms jacket, didn't you? Yeah. And it was like. I just felt so proud walking out there and like I felt like my dad had a lot to do with that. Like it was just so nice because I got to honor my dad. I got my mind off of things. I almost wasn't even sure if I was going to be able to go to summer slam because I was like, gosh, this is just so soon. I just don't know if I can do it. And then after the funeral, once we were done with the funeral, I was like, you know what? I kind of have to start getting back to being natty. I have to start getting back to living in like summer slam was only six days after my dad died, but I also just wanted to get back to being me because I felt like I was in such a fog from Monday the day that my dad passed away to Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday was the funeral. I just felt like I was in this blur and prevents want me to be at summer slam and obviously sharing that special moment with Rhonda. It was just an. I told Vince that I said it was just really what I needed. It was what I needed to get my mind off of everything. And it was just like, I just wanted to. I was scared to go because I was like, I don't. I don't know if I would be emotionally stable just because I am so close to my dad, and I didn't want to be crying in front of everyone and having people see me cry and just not knowing if somebody brought up my dad would I start crying and I was there was moments where I did kind of break down a little bit, but there was moments that I was totally fine. I just wanted to go out there when everybody saw my dad's jacket the entire world. Got it. Everybody understood. In the, you know, the trials and tribulations of the hearts and McMahon's go back, you know, forty fifty years, but Vince still respects your family and so does the, you know, the WB universe. I came amusing, Vince for Nike. So do the wrestling fans. Sorry. They appreciate the lineage again for you. You would come out before to Brett's music, but coming out with anvils jacket. I mean, that's that's who you are and people know it, and that's why I was really happy to see. Because like I said, we've seen so many guys pass away and sometimes you get a graphic or whatever. But Jim got like that piece like a full sag with that. Like you said. That is prime real estate. I mean, I've had one hundred matches shorter than that on so of, you know, get cut short in that. Obviously, it all goes through vents prevents to approve that and say, because Vince could also say it's too long, but to give three minutes to the envel- that's that's says a lot. Now I don't even like the the the end of the sag before that was, hey, up next trip. As came band, play that video, then go to the the on camera. Now. I know the. That's your thing. And Michael, Colin, Rene kind of talking about it and you know what? I'm so it just kept like a big deal and even Rhonda opening up raw with. That's right. You mentioned him to like just talking about my dad, and I just think my dad would have been so happy in like I told Vince, I was like, and I just feel so strongly in my heart like Vince, you know, obviously we all work hard and WWE, but without the platform of like my dad and I got this special connection because of his career and WWE and because of what I didn't WWE we, we got the special bond that is just so incredibly rare. Only a few people can say that they share that like Randy Orton in like Charlotte flair and like to Meena Snuka and Mike, there's just talking to Roman reigns about it. I was just saying he was talking. He was saying, same thing about his brother who passed away, and he was just saying, we just got this special little connection because of that and and I and I think I said, thank you for giving my dad those opportunities because of those. Opportunities. My dad and I got like, have this special connection is WWE superstars. And we, we had this little wrestling connection. That was what was like. And I feel bad because my sisters were very close to my dad too, but different though. It was just a little different because you know, when when my dad had his ups and downs, my sister sometimes weren't as forgiving of my dad and my dad. I just as I learned like he was imperfect, but that was what kind of made him special. And I understood all those things. I was very, I was willing to overlook a lot of things with my dad, a lot of his imperfections because we just had this very special little bond wrestling and that I, oh, I, oh, that defense because without his company, my dad wouldn't have had that platform to be so unique. And then bins just through thick and thin. Benzes has been awesome to my family. And when you go through hard times, you realize like, wow, like WWE. They're just like the company's very classy, especially. I thought it was cool that Stephanie was there. Last couple of things. There's a, there's a picture online. It's actually pretty sad of the five guys at Calgary stampede. As komo's the paper called yet, Canadians and Canadian stampede part foundation and pill. Men, Owen breads in the middle Davey in Jim, and somebody made it to where bread is in color and the rest are in black and white breast the sole survivor of the team. I feel sorry for Brenton. Sorry, I feel I feel for him because that's, you know, he's lost so many guys and you look at that picture in was only twenty years ago and everybody's gone. I just, I just, I just feel a feel for Brett and you know, as hard as it is for you, obviously your father and your father in law. But that's Brett's like those or his brother-in-law's pill. Men might as well brands. Friends friends? Yeah. Like throw hanging in there. Right adams. All of his Bros.. Right that, yeah, I felt I felt like in talking to Brenton Brett was a very important part of the funeral actually in almost I almost didn't know if he was going to be able to make it because it was such a far distance for him to travel. And I said to said, understand if you can't make it, but I really would love to have you there. And I actually think bread is taking my dad's passing really hard. Yeah. I think he was the first time in my life that I've ever seen Brett cry. We went out for dinner and we went out for dinner myself Bretton his wife, Stephanie, and we just had this private little dinner. We just wanted to catch up and I just needed to clear my head and was crying. He was only for twenty seconds. Maybe he started crying. He was telling a story about my dad, and then he just stopped. And he started crying and he couldn't get gashes breath like he was like, he couldn't speak speaking. Yeah, you could breathe, but he couldn't like, couldn't get the words out and it was like, I never seen Brett cry like that before. I just I don't. I can't remember. I just don't remember him. I never remember him crying like that. And I felt like so bad at the table because I was like, gosh, like I can't believe a hard Brett staking my dad's death in, I think I think he's almost taking it harder than anyone in for me. I almost feel like it's not it's been nine days is my dad died, and I almost feel like it's not real. Like I feel like I'm going to go to my mom and dad's house, and I'm going to see my dad like, I don't think it's totally set in, but but you know, everybody handles things differently, but I think Brett's taking it really are. Last question. What's your favorite anvil memory match wise? I tell Jim, the anvil the character and I live in meeting says, I love love love the fact that the funeral I was showing Jessica this, you get the little card for the funeral. The little the little, the little pamphlet, the front, it's a picture and it just says the n. Ville. Yeah, then you open it up and says, Jane Henry night heart. I love it how wrestling and Ville James. That's what my dad's earn had on it too. We wanted it like my dad. That's what I keep digressing. I'm Mike all over the place, my heart, total heart, but my dad loved being an entertainer. He was like, he could never work in an office. He could never. He was born to entertain, and that's what total divas dead. Like when my dad couldn't wrestle, let's entertain. And so my sisters and I, my sisters are like, I don't know where the hell they came from. They're both like Martha Stewart's daughters. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Mafi is like teacher graduated with honors like the most prim and proper person you'll ever meet. Jenny is the same way. She's like literally Kate Middleton's fister like she, they're both like all three of you. So pretty to the Angela's your father, like you guys beat the odds dad with a dad was really my dad before he became the ambulance really handsome, and we had Jenny mafia and I, we wanted to, we're all one year apart and we all we were like, daddy has to be. We call my dad, daddy. We never people what he's been saying. Total divas or like. You never you call your dad. Eddie. I never made the transition. Daddy's little girl as a little girl. What day do you go? We're going to start calling you dad like we never was just always daddy. Even we were mad at my dad. We would like daddy, like it was only daddy is daddy and mommy. That's it. That's all they will ever be to me. And we were like, daddy needs to have Ambuhl earn down a little like cow that they made a little Ambuhl and grabbed it, and I won't joining Murphy. And I were like, we want to make sure that daddy, that's the picture. He loved that embodied him. That was like that. Look that little look. And so we wanted that. And then of course, like on the back I have my mom and my dad, but we just wanted that. So that was great. It was great, but we favorite TJ because he's more of the wrestling, I would say Canadian stampede. But the moment is like they all come. They all kind of have the short little separate entrances. So like I pill men comes out then. Then Jim comes out and they all come out to like, and it's very funny. But each reactions a little bit bigger, but they all come out to these pretty giant reactions as like almost a singles guys. Obviously it did by MAC, but they have these short little entrances and you get kind of a little beat out there and they. Yeah. And then and then the cool moment where like Brett comes out and like high fives, everybody, and they come walking down. So even before the match. Right. The stages said, who's going to be the most amazing thing you've ever seen. For me, it's not just like I wouldn't say like Harvard nation had a lot of great matches BULLDOGS demolition and all that stuff. But for me, it's just the whole time of that of that WBZ Saturday, WBF Saturday night's main event. And Harfa nation was always included, and I always go back to and I'm not getting this wrong, but it's the heart foundation holding macho man as honky-tonk guitar over his head. I just remember like just the combination of those guys and I believe if anvil is holding you, you're not getting. You're not getting out because I knew I didn't know wrestling was your real, but I just do like that guys like he's holding. You're not escaping and just the whole concept of the heart phone Dacian as he's amazing peels that turn baby face in the colors in the to me that that was part of my love affair of how I got into wrestling because I enjoyed Awa, but WBF and the Hart foundation, we're top three from the advocacy, HOGAN steamboat and the heart. Foundation. Calgary style, and you're, like I said, you're kind of have a lot of Calgary like you. You have a lot of the qualities that those guys Calgary came from or had like dynamite, and if you think debut and you think of all the people that Bret and Owen and my dad, like there was a unique even hero hoc- was in Calgary guys like unique hybrid style is what I'm trying to say. But you also understood like my dad, the showmanship character. And so my dad always appreciate it. That and people because you had beautiful costumes and blam buoyant colors and you had a unique hairdo in my dad. My dad, I think is what he really brought to the Hart foundation was that unique little entertainment edge, I think is why Vince like my dad so much because Bret tells the story of, you know, a good athlete, but Vince also likes the entertainment man character. The enersen -ality in so brat tells the story when then I met my dad, David dynamite himself. And of course, as we know, Brett would go. On to become the most successful of them. But then was just drawn to my dad. My dad was the first one that he introduced himself to, and he stopped like my like events reminds me a lot of my grandfather. He's on my dad. He saw his neck so I was arms and my dad had this look at my dad had this natural charisma and Vince was just drawn to my dad. And I think I remember read saying, like, you know, he was just so like entomb with my dad. That was the star. That was the one that he was going to push in. Like my dad just had that little. He was an athlete. He was playing for the Dallas. Cowboys played for the Oakland. Raiders was trained by Tom are coached by Tom Landry, very famous football coach, and I don't know shit about, I know that name though, but his job pudding, this that bins just zeroed in on that. But then I knew that my dad was an entertainer. And so I love that because my dad is interesting because when the the radicals I came in and it was Ben wa, Eddie dean and Perry, and of course, at the time it was all Ben one. Actually Perry was up there too, but Vince I remember seeing Brian Eddie's the one that Vince really Eddie. He's the one because this is before Latino heat. Vince victim up before right off the bat. He said he said after one appearance, Vince is at he's the one that Vince thinks has it more than Perry and more than they Eddie because this is like I said, there was no character of Eddie at the time. But like you said, same with animals. -tainer. And so I just. The rather than favorite entering what's your favorite total divas Jim neidhart moment, God, there's so many Lana. My dad, by the way was obsessed with Lana. Like Chris, I have so many. I have so many videos of my dad and my phone, and I would always say daddy, do you like Luke gallows? And he'd be like, no, I'm going to send. I have. I've just. I want to find that letter from Vince. I want to show you that letter and I want to send you. My dad loved Lana, and I'd always film video, go, daddy, do you like lawn? And he's like, oh yes, she's beautiful. And like he would go off about Lana. He'd always remember Lona even Lana and my dad would drink fireballs shots together. He was obsessed with Lana. And so there was this day that long on I are really close, but we've had a lot of little conflicts threat, especially on total divas. We, she and I are like sisters, we fight and we make up and she drives me crazy. But I love her. So one day my my dad, my whole entire life. As we talked about earlier, it'd be obsessed with teaching me how to throw the shot put. And so I was training for this ladder match, and my dad was just like, somehow I was like, okay, daddy, you know what? You can teach me how to throw the shop would if that's what you want, we will go in the yard. We won't climb a ladder. We'll get in the front lawn and you could for the first time in my life, you can show me how to throw a damn shotput. So Lana was over and she wanted to be involved because you know what better way to put on a string bikini then to throw a shop that I. I heard on the front line. So in the driveway. So we're out there and Lana. Gee, somehow the shot put my dad's in the yard, and he's like, he's throwing it. She's throwing. She's throwing its landing on the grass. My dad's like he's picking up the shot put. He's like, you're doing great. And he's like coaching her and he's like, you're doing awesome. She was sucking. She was awful. And my dad just kept telling her, well, she was doing putting her over and then she all of a sudden throws the shot but into the windshield of my car. And my dad was like for real or for, I don't know. I don't know what she was doing. I think she was. I think I think she was just trying to get attention was going to say she's getting attention being extra extra. So Lana loves being a little extra. So somehow this put ended up in the windshield of the car. And my dad looked at me and he was like, she's so stupid. I can't go daddy, and he goes because he was shocked that my dad loves Lana, but then all of a sudden he's like, I can't shouted she do that. And then my dad started freaking out and he's like, oh my God. Like, what are we going to do? The cars wreck. And so I go daddy as because I was kind of like parent, I go go in the house right now and I go, don't you want to say anything to upset? Lama and I'm on is looking at me like like Steve urkel that I do that sort of thing, and I go in the house. My dad can't calm down. He's like, oh my God, the cars rat came and told me and he came in found TJ in the bathroom, and he's like, cheat, threw the shot put in the car. And so I told my dad, I was trying to calm down and I was like daddy, daddy, like I was trying to do anything to appease him and make like relax and I go, daddy, don't worry. It was all we just told Lana to do that. And my dad was Natta Uganda. Let the boys in when you run these spots. Like. These spot. And it was so funny because we're, he went back to being like recipe and he was like, that was my favorite story. Well, this is one other little thing and may not have any can do with anything, but I was just remembering. So after the screw job goes down, like Jim actually wasn't under contract. He was like a kind of a hack that point and then Davey doesn't baby leaves. Oh, and has the little month off. He comes back to the pay per view. No one knew what was happening with him. Of course, brats gone Jim on a handshake deal. I think he's a bra like maybe two weeks later and he does a deal with like deacs with fader and maybe even the next week to he's still like, and he knew he had this WCW deal, but like loyalty, yes, it kind of speaks to his character a little bit like he, he clearly did not have to show up at those. No. He said he said though, on the body, so that was just the guy making a living and providing for my family. And you know that was Brett's thing. And for him, he was still providing for his family. So. Thank you guys for doing this in the anvil one in a million and the world is a better place from having a minute. Thank you so much for like just being supportive and awesome to my family and just, you know, you coming to my dad's service for me like it just meant so much. So I appreciate you and anti putting up with us. Crazy heart. Amen. Let's find some fanny packs and a pink leather African hat. All right. Thanks the natty and Tyson for sharing more great stories. Jim, the anvil neidhart recipe Savile. He was one in a million wanted to Eminem. They said, all right, speaking on one in a million about the first one, the Chris Jericho Rockin wrestling ranger at sea, inaugural voyage setting sale, October twenty. Seventh just weeks away less than six weeks away and there's less than seventy five cabins left. So you'll have to book now at Christiana cruise dot com. If you wanna come hang out in the ship with incredible line of talent. Remember everything is included. Once you book everything, once you book your cabinet, it's all -cluded all your food, all the activities on the ship or free all the why podcast concerts comedy shows meet-and-greet autograph signings wrestling matches. Everything in between elephant, you've got to pay for alcohol and gambling. 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Undisputed Era, IIconics, & Samoa Joe - Notsam Wrestling 205

Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast

1:41:39 hr | 2 years ago

Undisputed Era, IIconics, & Samoa Joe - Notsam Wrestling 205

"Today on not seeing wrestling all new interviews with the undisputed era, the iconic and Samoa Joe is back. We're going to dive deep and everything going on with Brie Bella, whether or not she should be in the ring as she save. We'll figure it out and I got some beefs to settle. It's not saying wrestling. Is. Introducing your host from New York here is Sam rulers. Holy Lido. Here he is. The dog is going crazy. Lyla Garrity is going nuts. So for my birthday this year, my parents gave me a man. Again, I know it's weird, but what more could you possibly expect from the last professional broadcaster at this point, if you guys remember if you've been listening long enough, if I've I've mentioned at various points throughout this thing, my wife gave me a ring, worn gold dust outfit for our wedding. That was my wedding gift. It's a ring, worn gold dust outfit. I've been trying to figure out what area it's from, and I've I've determined based on like the look of it. You can tell that it used to have black sequins. It's around the the white area. You know, it's like a white burst it, the chest in the back of it. You can tell there used to be black sequence in the coloring of it. It's definitely during his intercontinental title rain. It's that sort of shinier. Not that Matt substance, but it looks like it's been through the ringer. Probably a house show outfit or something like that. But my parents, you know, I am married six years ago at this point. And my parents gave me a mannequin for my birthday because I got this. I got this area now the studio, the Nazi him studio, where I can display some of my treasures and what better way. If you've got a ring worn gold outfit, you're not gonna frame that sucker you gotta put it on a person. So they gave me a six foot five or six foot six mannequin way bigger than me. So it would fit the gold outfit, which I commend them on their researching abilities to make sure that it actually fit this thing. But what I didn't count on the fact that I would put this mannequin up and my dog would lose her mind. She's convinced the Dustin Reynolds himself literally lives in the basement. Gold is just according to Lila the labrador lyla Garrity who you've heard about from Dalton castle and various guests here on the not Sam wrestling podcast. According to lyla, Garrity gold dust is standing very still down here in the Nazi 'em studio. At all time, it really, really distresses her. I brought her down many times, sniffing thing. She won't let up. I feel bad because she seems very stressed out about it, but what am I gonna do? Welcome to the show, welcome to not seeing them wrestling by the way chocolate made these series of entering chalk line as the WWE fan of nation jackets, which are just amazing chocolate also produced the not Sam jacket. There's a truck line, not Sam Jackie. You can see it. I posted on social, but I, I've worn it in the state of wrestling videos before I was wearing it at the live shit. The live show we did at Caroline's the summer Sam show that's up on the YouTube channel. I am getting more made the only way to get that not Sam chalk line jacket is to be a hall of fame level patron at patriotair dot com slash not Sam wrestling. If you're a hall of fame level, not Sam shell, that's the. Only way to get one of these amazing not Sam chocolate jackets, or if you're the last professional broadcaster, Sam Roberts, then you can get one to one or the other. I chose the latter. I chose just being last professional broadcaster. The rest of you can become not Sam shells at patriotair dot com slash not Sam wrestling, but they made this line of jackets based on entrance gear. They made like Rick flair robe looking one whole bunch of them, but they put out a jacket a chalk line jacket that looks exactly like the top half of gold dusts jumpsuit that he used to wrestling and it's amazing. It's the jacket that I've been waiting for since I was in like sixth grade and it's now draped over the shoulders of the mannequin wearing the gold dust outfits, reading a patriotic maybe once I get it cleaned up down here. I'm doing some. Some moving and shaking of things. Once I get everything finished down here in the studio, maybe I'll do a video tour for everybody on patriotic that could be fun. Patriot dot com. Slash not same wrestling. We got interviews to get to before we get to them. There's a couple of things I want to get off my chest. I relates to an interview. I aired last week. Last week's podcast was great. Carmella Shane obeys ler and Shinsegei nakimora all great interviews from the three of those people Shinsegei and Shane obeys, right actually never had on the podcast before which I was surprised by, especially in the case of nakimora, but still really insightful interviews out of all three people. I really enjoyed them. They're popping up on YouTube over the next few days Carmelo's already up there. Of course, if you were, I don't want to harp on it, but if you were a not Sam shell on patriotic you would have gotten to see the interviews the same day. The podcasts came out, which of course will be the case for this week's interviews as well as they always are for the not Sam shells. Patriot dot com. Not Sam wrestling, but the reason I bring up the interview is because Shane obeys ler was on the show last week and in the intro for the interview or after the interview. At some point on the podcast, I made reference to the fact that one of the most interesting conversations part parts of that conversation was about Ronda Rousey and shayna motivating her to come to WWE. In the question that I asked her was, do you think the success of the you've had in t- motivated? Ronda. Rousey to give WWE is a serious look. And she said it wasn't so much the success. It was just that I was having such a good time. She said that you know the idea of how much fun I was having in WWE is what made Rhonda look at it and say, you know what? I might have fun there too. And I thought that that was just a very cool insight and gives you sort of a look at what the relationship, the real life friendship is between Ronda Rousey and Chenab as and then she went on to talk about, you know what introducing jesmyn to wrestling. All kinds of stuff in watching WWE network, and you then wrestling matches on YouTube and things like that with the four horse women of MMA and bringing them into the world. And I just, I love that part of the conversation. My issue was and I tweeted about it because a couple of you guys and I appreciate it. Tweeted the link and said that this is totally misleading, and the link was from the website. The website is called wrestles zone, and it's a website that I used to go to quite a bit for my dirt sheet information. I still go to all the wrestling rumor websites, but it was it was it was a link and the title of the link said something. I wish I had it in front of me. I really should have a really should have been more prepared. Let me let me look it up right now because I don't want to misquote what the link said because you might not understand really what the issue is. If I miss quoted entirely. So they said, Shane, obeys, wrestles zone writes, the headline Shane obeys ler believes her. Success drew Ronda Rousey to pro wrestling. Now that is a horribly misleading title. It makes shayna out to be much worse than she is and it bugged me because you know, and you can go back since I started doing this since I started even before the podcast. A podcast has been on now four years. It was Tober four years ago that I launched this thing. You know, whatever it is two hundred and five weeks ago. And even before that, when I was just doing wrestling interviews and putting them up on YouTube, I've. For the most part, really. It's always been very important to me to not be one of these click Beatty people to me, the Mark of a successful interview is I think that especially when it's done in this format when we're talking to wrestlers as a wrestling fan, like I want to be able to have the subject of the interview, enjoy it. I want to be able to have the audience, you guys enjoy it. And if both you and the person I'm interviewing has a good time, then I have a good time. Everybody leaves happy. I think that that's for me what makes the best interviews and that's what the show is always been about. I've never been about. Gotcha questions. I've never been about click Beatty stuff. I've never been about doing interviews for the purpose of getting headlines and it's really bend to my detriment in some ways. You know, I think long term I've benefited from it, but in the short term like, look, I watched the download numbers when there are headlines on wrestling. Rumor websites that come from this podcast, the download numbers go up when the download numbers go up the revenue from the advertisements. Go up when the headlines go out there, the awareness of Sam Roberts and the not Sam brand go up. Everything goes up when those links start popping up, but that's not the type of show I wanna do. You know? I know that when I'm doing an interview with somebody and I'm starting to sense, a Gotcha question. You know, honestly, a few years ago, I didn't interview with Brussels own and I felt like they were asking. Gotcha questions and I didn't enjoy myself and I want to avoid that when I'm doing stuff. So you know, it's been almost to my detriment in a way because if I asked Moore, Gotcha questions and I did more click Beatty stuff. I might be able to get more numbers. I might be able to get more, but, but it's not about that. I feel like I would I would completely lose integrity in what I'm doing and why I'm doing it. So when people take my material and they turn it into click baby stuff, it gets under my skin. So normally I ag- more this stuff. I don't really pay attention to it, but I decided to send a tweet out about it because I was like, this is ridiculous. And I've noticed quite frankly, recently wrestles on doing this more and more often. So I got an Email from one of the people that's running wrestle zone, and I really appreciated it. And I thought it was a stand up thing to do. He apologized for it, and he said he was trying to do less of that and bobble and and trying to correct the mistakes and everything. And I believe him and I really appreciated the Email and I thought it was a stand up thing to do, and I was happy to get it. But then at the same time before smackdown I read a headline from wrestles zone that says, you know, biggie and shame is to compete on smackdown after accusations of bullying on social media, and it's like, what are you talking about? Biggie and shameless. Biggie was tweeting shameless, but it was clearly, you know, storyline stuff. It was not, you know, when you start saying accusations of bullying on Twitter in two thousand eighteen. You know, everybody knows. That's a serious thing. That's a serious accusation. That's something that that is going to grab headlines and you're gonna click and go. Man is shameless in trouble, and you know, it's just something that setting up a match on smackdown. It's totally misleading again. So I don't know of Russell's own change that I know that that was published after I talked to the person. I'm mentioned his name because he hasn't. I didn't ask him, but the person who emailed me from Russell's own and apologized that was after he emailed me. So I don't know if they changed that or he just didn't see it or whatever, but hopefully they're starting to change their ways because I think that that's a big thing like in wrestling, that's why wrestling websites get such a bad name because everybody knows. That's why I had this. This argument with. Would with David vixen span on the podcast a few months back when I had the great wrestling journalist debate. And the reason why wrestling journalists don't get access and aren't taking seriously and blah, blah, blah is because there's so many people that are doing stuff like that. There's no benefit to it for people in wrestling, it's it, you know, they don't want to be associated with stuff like that. So I wish people would stop. It would make it better for all of us who are fans of the industry. If people would just kind of stopped doing that. The other beef that I want to settle is I won't mention them either. It's a certain podcast. Let's just say it's a podcast about wrestling figures that some people consider major. Let's just say it's a certain Brosky who likes ice tea from Long Island and a certain prince of a borough that will refer to his queens. The might have a certain streak on a certain Monday night, sports entertainment, based TV show. So I got some tweets and I got some texts from people. I know that apparently these people decided to go on their podcast and in salt, my wrestling figure collection, first of all, like, you know, let's not pretend I haven't been doing the wrestling figure collecting thing as long as anybody, maybe I'm not quite as public as everybody, but like you know, I'm not a guy who has a collection of Hasbro's that's been purchased on EBay. Okay. I have a collection of Hasbro's that was purchased as a child. That I still have. Okay. Let me just put that out there. Okay. I'm not. Insulting people's collections and then going out and re buying WCW vibrating action figures. I don't think in a collector community, we should be putting each other down regardless of how major our podcast is. So I just like to say that I thought it was. I thought it was very unkind of of anybody to be insulting my action for your collection. I mean, the nerve of some people, the nerve right? You don't see me attacking people's. Chuck line jacket collection, you know, I'd say I'm the last professional broadcaster, but I don't go around attacking other professional broadcasters just because I'm the last one. Right, right. It's just seems unkind and that's all I'll say about it. That's it. In the reason for that is I'm sure you want to hear some of these interviews that I promised you at the very, very top of the show. I was at the performance center. You know this from last week down there for WWE to k nineteen. I'm very excited for the big release of that game. It comes out October ninth and they set us up here, not Sam wrestling with a bunch of interviews, so thank to k for giving us the opportunity to share this content with you. We're going to start with the undisputed era, and this is great because I, I'm walking around the performance center and there are some people that are there for media, but I look and there's, there's Rodrick strong and Kylo Riley and Adam, Cole and rowdy, and a Riley have the next tag team championships with them, and they're all wearing their merchan-. They all look like a million bucks and they said, hi, and I was like, are you guys doing interviews? And they were like, wow, we have to do a live event. So we kind of have to get out of here right away. But, yeah, let's do one real quick for you, Sam. How could we say no. So you know what I said, let's do. And I sat down for a moment. I had a moment of time with the undisputed era, and I haven't talked to them before recorded all three of them. Roderick strong highly, wasn't there. I mean, I mean, Bobby fish wasn't there, but Kyle O'Reilly and Roger Chongwe and Adam, Cole altogether all getting to reflect on their journey together. We start this week on not Sam wrestling with the one or I guess I was going to say the one and only and then I was like, but it was three of them. So then I was gonna say the three and only, but then I realized there's a fourth member. So I will say the incomparable the undisputed era, then not Sam wrestling interview. It's the two k. nineteen event we're in the performance center and the undisputed era, the new residence new. But the current residents of the performance center is here. What's the half gentleman launch of the biggest game in WWE history, and you have. To have. Is this thing on. Yeah. This is it. Super, super exciting. 'cause I'm a, I'm a massive video game guy to begin with. So the fact that like we're all individual game together is pretty surreal and pretty cool, and this one we just played it. It's awesome. We'd beat up Roman reigns. Who's your arguments before you got to WWE annexed and everything? Did you guys have arguments as to who was going to get here? I like I don't think that you could sit there and realize that like just take all of us. That's the ideal situation definitely did not expect at all the that we were going to be thrown together in a group. I mean, as it was happening, it was kinda like, oh, cool. We're all gonna end up being in the same place. But the last thing I expected was okay, Adam, Cole Kylo Riley, Bobby fish and Roderick strong are going to be kind of running chop around here. It's crazy crazy. Yeah. What did you think? So it was very controversial. WWE puts out this list of the top ten factions? Yes, but we're very mad a little higher. I. I should have been number one, but we're just getting started really in the grand scheme of things. It is pretty amazing though that like you are just getting started and WWE put you on the list of like, well, obviously the undisputed era. Did you guys think to yourself like I don't know if we're top ten or let's exactly what we should be. No, I'm really, really confident what this group is and where we believe we're going. So to me, it's only a matter of time before we get higher and higher on that list to see. It was awesome. It was very cool, but if anything it was more motivating to kind of move up that list. So extra motivation. Yep. Yep. What is the what? What's the mindset when guys like you who have come from where you've come from, see yourself in the game. I mean, I'm sure there's this minute of like I have to pinch myself. I on one level. Never thought this would happen, but on on another level, let's not stop here. We have to keep going and going and going. Right. Yeah, that's that's the weirdest process about this job, especially here is there so many cool things. That happen where you want to kind of sit back and smell the roses and say, wow, this is awesome. But then you're already thinking a mile ahead about what what the next landmark is. The next goal is, this is just an example of that, and that's the good thing about the group in general. I feel just from us being together before and then being here is none of us settle on just one accomplishment. It's great. It's amazing when you talk about a tower blue in the face, but then we're like, what can we do next? We'll can we do next. We never know. Get too comfortable. Nothing thing that's one thing that makes us is is good as we are accountable to grow and just to keep improving to make the undisputed era, continuously the hottest thing and w. Is there a confidence factor that when you guys all know the, you've been successful in the business here and outside of here that like, you know, God forbid anything should happen. You know, you're not done in wrestling as opposed to somebody that maybe hasn't had that success outside of here who's like, no, no, no. I gotta make sure that I make it here because who knows what happens. Does that add the confidence or does it never even enter your mind? Yeah. I think I think subconsciously definitely does. It's not something that I really sit down and think about, but, but just to know, I don't know. I love pro wrestling sports, entertainment, however, you wanna word it. I love it. It's the best job in the entire world arm wrestling. So I wanna make sure I'm doing this for as long as I possibly can. Obviously, here is where I want to do it. But yeah, there is a good feeling knowing that that we've been successful outside of here as well as here, it's wild to think that we were just talking about the other day in class just like this is it. This can never end for you if you never really wanted to end in whatever job in may entail. And that's, you know, this is the office of the company. You wanna do it in your. It's amazing that that's a front performance center. You know, there is life after wrestling, we could become coaches or producers or agents, and so it's cool to know that opportunities or there. Yeah, I guess that's. That's a that's a lesson from being here that you probably don't know until you get here that this is where you really find out that this isn't a hand amount day to day thing like this can be a forever business. That's amazing. What do you go to sleep at night? Each of you thinking about more? Oh, my God. Look at all that I have accomplished or, oh my God, there's a whole lot more to do the ladder for sure. Oh man, we have so much more. We have to coming here, like, I don't know. I don't necessarily say closed the chapter ended a chapter, but it like kind of opened a new on. And I feel like everything I complex from four was great, but like everything had -ccomplish now is going to be the hardest, but the most. Be able to like, I don't know relish in it. You know, feel more accomplished here because this is a whole new test. He's a whole new fricken playing field, and it's amazing that. Who knows what to do. I've done some great stuff, but I mean, just a little time with these guys. It's been amazing. It feels like I could do this for another twenty years. That's awesome. I can tell you guys superstars, you know why you've all got your merch on. You've got your titles with you. I mean, there is no question when you guys walk in there and you're walking together when you walk room, whether it's a room full of media, whether it's an arena full of fans or whether you're walking down the street, it's the undisputed era. It's not some guys who plays a people. I was just going to say it's a very real thing though. We all talk every day. We all feel the same passion about wrestling the same way. We all eat sleep and breathe this. We all believe in this group specifically. So I think that's a big reason. It's translated so well is because people can tell whether it's we're doing interviews backstage, whether we're in the in the ring together, we we enjoy being around each other. So that as a lot too. Yeah, babies right here are never more than ten feet away. Title go. Well, obvious is there, is there an undisputed text? Yes, there are people that course there is. That's what makes it real. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, that's what makes it real. That's how you know. That's how you know it's a real. A group text is alive and well, I'm sure you guys know that. You know nobody's more happy to see the successive having here than I am it just it's so much fun. It's so much excess. So thanks and congratulations on the game. Yeah, yeah. Thank you so. Cool. Yeah, thanks guys. Thanks gotta. Love the undisputed era. Just like you gotta love being there for live events. The undisputed era had to lead the interview to go to a live event. You go to live events too. If you've got tickets. 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Download the app, enter promo code Sam, and that's it promo code Sam s. a. m. for twenty dollars off your first seatgeek purchase seed geeze life's in event. We have the tickets and now the iconic. It's the two k. nineteen event here the performance center and the Connex are with me Iconex what's the half's what's up buddy? What's going on? How are we. Rate your so good on it if you just saw, but just entrance. How did you feel about it? Do they capture it. One hundred percent. One hundred percent not ninety. Nine point nine one hundred Sandri. Sandri two, eight t as we say, you would say if it was like eighty, ninety percent almost not quite a hundred percent sent. You guys got to be thrilled with that are it was so surreal. So used to relate, go every menu resume every Colorado, hey, out Kia everything. Every movement. Now, have you looked at the solo entrances or just the tandem entrance. Attentive than thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I took the SAT's. Yeah, yeah. Right? Right. Are you are you at all concerned that the singles entrances are not going to live up to it? Or do you think that people should not play a singles only as as we said earlier, a tandem. Well, I feel like the individual instance will be just as good as out ten entrance to a great game, right, guess smart. Then in your other question pot to buy, if you once you play individually as Roy's. Ovilla k. there's only one way to do it. You have to have the other one out the company to the rain, right? You have to have to. It's not one. You get one, you met the other? No, no, no, it's both. Right or none? Right. Now right now. Right. 'cause I thought I said, okay. Strip, never mind. No. Listen. Do you ever feel like doing everything together could stunt your growth as individuals. Just because then you don't really give yourself the opportunity to find yourselves because you're always kind of bouncing off the other one. Opportunity in t to find Esso's and I just did not feel like a complete paint Royce without my Billy k. and vice versa. This is how it should be should be. This is how to be. I hope it always is this way. When you go out there, you know when you talk about your entrances, your entrances on smackdown most of which are like, you know the beginning of an entrance, but you kind of talk your way down the aisle. Basically? Yes. Basically, you talk your way down the aisle. Has there been any of the because I think you usually pull them off extremely well. But it's not an easy thing to do. Especially because I feel like there's a lot of people in the audience that are waiting to be like, I hope this doesn't work. You know, do you have? Have you had instance it when it doesn't work when you when you can feel it not working? What do you do to get back on track. Good question. I. Oh, I think I've ever felt it. No. Every time we go out to. The with you get the reaction that we're on. Right? So if it's booze coming your way, it's like, Yep, right, right. You know, I will say that. One hundred percent of the time. I never see you guys get shaken out there like it's never been this moment of like. You're like, no, I know what we're doing and regardless of what all this is we're pushing forward. Right? And oftentimes the crowd and other vocal that how much disliked they have towards us right that I feel like. Yeah, clinics have a message and you're going to hear it. Exactly. Yeah. It doesn't matter if you want to hear the point is you have to hear it because it's for their own good, isn't it? Grow as beings by listening to what we have to face. Right. That's all you'll becoming a bit by listening to you guys figured it out by finding each other and realizing you got three quarters of the way you've got three quarters away. Now you're about one hundred percent of the way, and you've taken those lessons and you're you're, you're pushing it forward. You're giving it to the people that are out there. I think. So. What has been the biggest difference in your lives since moving over to the main roster. A lot more travel. Yeah, travel where I mean, there was a lot of traveling next teach, but you got to sleep in your bed each night most being on the main road stop. You don't get that, but I. Really, but we traveled together. So I have harmed with me. She's your home and she's your home? Yeah. Easy. I mean, yeah, we travel a lot, but it's easy listening for made with of live TV right in annexed team. That's true being taped, and we had never done alive, poking over. Emme to the wacko frying. Yeah. I've never been so skated before time debut we and it's not even like you're in like full sail or something. It's like a live TV, and it's also an arena right to be the first smackdown wrestlemainia. And have they been watching annex t, I dunno, let's find out when you get there. Yeah. Because we hadn't been on TV for full a month or so months. Tickle debuted. Yeah. So just been come out and get some sort of reaction. Thank goodness. It worked out. Say Wendy, realize like we got this, is it as the music hits and people are like, oh my God, they're here, you go. Okay, we're good. That was. Yeah, I was. I was. Full going out there. But the thing is soon as I keep him music and step through the code and might just let everything and whatever happens happens, inner and I feel like every time we do go out seems to be like we always tarmac so good. It's really about feeding twenty seconds before music. We always take. I love you. That is so nice. So it's kind of like would Novus Novus Novus. But as soon as that happened. Just like a k. right. Even if this whole place turns on us, we have home, you have home. So you, you never want to get to the place where like, okay, we're gonna split up the act. We're going to do, you know we're going to have you give you guys a rivalry and then you're gonna go your separate. Wait Harris. The thought. We wanna keep being together when you weren't on TV in annexed for like four months is is that like a kind of like a terrifying thing? Is that an annoying? Like how does that feel? Because scary it was scary. Yeah. Took us quite a while to get to that point and then we will own please don't forget all yet for us by it was good. We had the campaign to kiosk ten of BBC's. So we had from with that for the car. Didn't win button. I Big Joe. Thanks. We everything no worries Josko, but we had fun with that and we just tried to stay. Relevant all to stay seeing in bright. Just keep some kind of is on you. And when you get to the main run, I mean, they put a t shirt out for you guys like shoot, oh, you guys wearing. Oh, is that the? Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Yeah. So once that happens, you're like, okay, we're we're good. Right? I feel like never. I feel like you'd never, we feel like, oh, we're good, we got this. Now you always always another pound tree that we wanted to push or another toast ever that we would love to be a pot off. So it's it's, there's always wool to do. We never went to be complacent. Okay. What are we looking forward to more when we talk about I ever opportunities for you guys a stadium show in Australia or an all women's pay per view because it's the same month. Right. I mean this so different. You know, the super showdown hundred thousand fable Melbourne hundred thousand a year people. How people theoretically, I hope so. Because if you get out there and you find out they're not your people, you're like, why we've been doing all this time? Yeah, big Charlotte. I feel like people are gonna fly in from all I've oh yeah. Yeah, but w a lot of local people. There's very few people that talk like you guys on television, so that'd be like I like them because they talk like me, I get that. Yeah. Like that show is going to be a different emotion for us being back home within a very proud. Yeah, and it soon to be a different feeling. Whereas evolution, first of all, we've been you feel like that's been a be such a mall study. Now threes, twos, they just going to be different emotions as well as the Lucien feels like such a. Right. And do you get a pot of everyone who's in fold in the whole shirt? That's the reason I should face. I feel like they just have different fives. Yeah, so special amazing gonna be great. I think it's gonna be amazing, November, we'll see, but he's going to be incredible. Is it difficult for you because I feel like the iconic can't really show that emotion of like home. I God, I can't believe this is happening because you gotta be iconic all the time. Like is it difficult for you to hold that back? And like, you know, when you get back to or like right before you go out, that's when the I love you happens when you get back, that's when they're like, oh my God. I can't believe that happens. But I feel like the whole time you're out in front of people. It's like, you can't do that. When we get out there and we're just we're just being us. Even though it might not saying we might be billion painted with still feeling those Martian. Yeah, right by we we're lifeless. Once we get back, we're going to be like hall. For on your eyes out. Right. I mean, I don't know, just mascara and glitter running every right. Right. That's going to be such a emotional yet feeling walking out all tie. We'd have to wait and say, you guys are never gone to a place for you're like, you know what? I need a Billy break Peyton break. Like I just can't right now off day we spend together, is it? No, she just like you just finished each other's sentences, but not in character like you just actually did, and we don't get many. But just real life. Now, I feel like it'd be like everybody in your lives, personal lives. It must be very intimidated by this relationship because it's like there's there's no replied. This is like like best friends in third grade, like in adult life, and it's. Yeah. That's how real it is like at mom's. Oh, my gosh. How mums life? The same. The same person. So lead from Mississippi all the time? Yes. Transit hair on Facebook and everything. Right families are entwined as well. My dad messages, Tom, she's like, oh, you dead ticks me off. They're so proud of voice of us because I feel like they see how much. I'm going to say how much love we should say that. 'cause we all love is a lot of different things, but it's love, right? Yeah, family see that. And they know how much we mean to each other and they know how much out Correze and being. He means to us today really just their own bold to support. It's nice to see women like just being friends with each other and just being in love with each other, not being weird and catty and like, yeah, you know, you don't, right, right. Together, you tend to just build each other up and then kind of tear everybody down around you now. Know, 'cause you're still building, right? Right. We, we get to the positive place. Thank you very much. Connex. Congratulations on being such a big part of two nineteen. Have you looked at your entrance with the big head mode. Do you know? But the big head mode. I know you're about to get like, seriously, that's that's what we're ending on. Like you could be rude. No, like the head is like, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, no, it's the head is like half the size of the whole body. It's like massive, right? Plus, I mean, like if I was being, I don't have any ground to say that anybody has a big head in real look like you're talking to. You see my forehead. Thank you. I. You are fishy eight that thank you so much and congratulations on everything. I just realized putting the iconic and the undisputed, Arabic toback very good timing on my part because the two of the best groups right now, the iconic is probably my favorite female group in the WWE. One of my favorite groups in the WWE. I just think what they do on smackdown is so damned fun and the undisputed era. I mean, when you look at a group as far as taking over annexed, t and just dripping with potential, I think the undisputed era has shield level potential, but that's a different conversation for a different time. We have a third guest this week on the podcast. He's back. We heard from him at summer Sam. Now we go to the performance center and after previewing summer slam with him, we're now going to get to the bottom of everything that happened at summer slam and after summer slim, ladies and gentlemen similar, Joe, we're at the performance centers to k nineteen day this it is. And we're here once again with Simone. Joe was. The half Samoa. Joe, how much man how you doing? I'm good. What's you didn't? You didn't? You don't have any? Do you have ties like a ties in your heart to the performance center? Did you not really spend a ton of time here? You have no ties this place. You don't a foreign environment. It's the foreign environment says where they tried to build people to be better than me and they failed every time. Yeah, every sing. There's no. Actually, I do. It was twenty. I, I did come down here a lot with both for TV and and for creative stuff and and film, and it's always cool to to be down there with the new signees and you know, they, they bounce off of me and, and you know, asked and stuff, and it's cool. It's good environment down here. It's amazing. I mean, talking to some of the people that were here earlier about who like puts a hand into what characters and everything. Just the idea that really when you have a place like this, everybody just starts throwing ideas around. I had no idea Carmella. I was like, well, who do you credit for baba? Byron Saxton is named. She threw me and I'm like, I don't even think people associate him with creative stuff. A lot of it is just there's, there's a kind of these open brainstorming sessions and you know, characters and stuff will come out or sometimes you'll say something kind of funny off end. So I really have. It's kind of that was kind of charismatic of you for once new should. We should actually start doing that. So he came across likeable in goodness. I didn't think was possible. Kind of go from there. Did you after after everything you had done in in wrestling, did you was there anything that you came here and started to learn like, wow, I thought I was kind of done. I thought it was cooked how little Matt bloom actually does. Is that right? Yeah, just a real tyrant storms out now, but blooms. Awesome. And Sarah and they, they run a very tight ship here and stuff. I, I think I if I picked up anything from here, it was a lot of it was a lot more production stuff. You know, a lot of more behind the scenes stuff and and ideas about how we film stuff and and and what we're looking for, and it was stuff that I had an idea about, but it it was definitely sharpened here and it's been cool thing. The undisputed era guy said to it's the skills and things that you start to realize, oh, there's this is a lifetime business, like just stuff outside of the ring that I can learn how to do absolutely tribute. And that's kind of cool thing to hear is that they have, you know, other facilities and they bring in coaches and and people from other, you know, industries and stuff. So you can. Work on those things. You know, I mean, I think you've been upstairs, you've seen the broadcast booths and the and the the promo, booze, and and everything. And you know, it's a, it's an endless resource. If you want to come here and sharpen your skills, sharpened character. You can definitely get it really does feel like this place is just the excuse eliminator. Yeah, so it's like it's all here. Yeah, just use it if you want. You know, they shouldn't give me the support that I needed. And if you don't get in this place. Wasn't much to support the first one. So you know, we talked before summer slam, obviously the last time people love the interview. They found out some, oh, Joe was actually my. I have one of the few I so I've been under duress when I've done pass interviews. I hate to hear that. Yes, not bad dress, but I, I had lost bets and I have. We have ridiculous bats and they're not like the the punishments are never something really cruel. It's just something really awkward that only makes that person laugh. So going back to think of our first interview when we had the whole BBC down there, something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, I lost a loss in a fighting game tournament. Won't talk about the game. My friend who's a comedian, a terrible one by the way, and he'll tell you that he has the worst ten minutes I've ever seen ever. He jokingly said, you know, you should look like a board rapper. Interview. The whole time on the phone. I was acting like a board rapper. You really wear it, which I was going to tell you at the Caroline's and we'd just has. It just doesn't come up and I never think about it. Carol. The there. I remember that. He's like, oh, how did you doing the live podcast? Samya. Yeah, goes, can you actually get jilted comic house like? So I did the whole. Arm on the microphone glasses and to which by a hero to these dumb group of friends that I play games with, but to the rest of others. Like, Why's he up there? Moody. It makes me feel like even more of a professional, but I can. I can plow. Are we get an interview out of. I like it always goes back to. Yeah, because he has like serious raises. It's a serious Rato guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's the I do it on there. Well, I love it. I had no idea that. Yeah, I thought it was funny after I got done. I was like, you know, at some point it should tell Sam. Not just a jerk. Somebody, you know, he's really cordial and easy to get along with off camera. That is the clams up on, say, when you you had your the match summer slam with AJ. First of all, had you feel about it? It was. It's fun. Yeah. When you find out that it's a, it's a disqualification which is like it's a risk because we've seen good matches and in his qualification, the crowd turns on on like, we're at summer slam, what do you mean a disqualification like you really have to make count? And as you guys did right, like you guys the story that you go and and agree with that, that sentiment. If you're gonna it's gonna. Go bad, make you go all the way bad. So right. Those kind of the, you know, my thoughts. And yeah, it resonated. Yeah, and so you do, but you do think about that. You're like, you know what? If we're gonna tell a story that and that goes here. It's summer slam like we really have to pay attention to the details on the way there so that people are on board the hallway, absolute people talk about being afraid of heat, like there are those that are like, wow, he didn't want to piss people off that much or whatever it is. You don't strike me as that type of person at all? Nope, it's never bothered. You know that just because you're, you're a tunnel vision guy who's got a job to do, and that's it. No, because it's. No, some real reasonably intelligent. I understand my actions are quite there's heat. You know, I don't. I don't look into a fire hose and expect not to get wet and don't act like a whole on TV and expect not people not to hate me. So, yeah, I just it's if you're if you're worried about heat and pissing people off. Yeah, you shouldn't. We should maybe go back to Dennis school. It's better for you. A big part of this business. The money comes in from, yeah, being one of two people, either the people that the guy that people hate or it's gotta people don't hate. And at some point you gotta be both guys. Do you find it difficult though, like, you know, people talk about or you watch people have difficulty getting boos just because people like them so much, and I feel like you're in that camp like everybody. If you, if you pull the wrestling fan aside and said, you know, what do you think about Samoa Joe people like you, you know, they liked the journey Ben on, they liked the work that you do in the rain. They like the promos. They like the interviews, even if you're pretending to be jolted comic. They like they like the interviews very convincing. Do you do you sit there and go like, okay, how do I convince these guys that I'm a bad guy. No, not at all because I mean, listen, you people are fickle. You're not that complicated creatures. And really it takes one or few of the right place words said in the right way to turn you into complete utter animals. I've come to that understanding a long time ago. And just no. I will continue to use that knowledge throughout the rest of my life. This isn't wrestling. Yes, this is. I mean, let's let's be, oh, you guys, you're not that dedicated to your views as long as you off or makes you sad or says something mean all you're gonna. Listen, I know these things and it's not that hard. This is where you're a master is realizing that if you can tap into people's emotions. Yeah, all of a sudden the logic to the right out the window goes out there. Other ear and the emotion takes over. Like why Gotcha now. Yeah, yeah. Now we're just. Just. Godfather. Exactly speaking of emotions and to nineteen is where a lot of people emotions come out in these video game now. So talked about being gamer and kind of using games to kind of get away from everything. Does the emotional side you come out of you and angry? I'm not naming. I'm not an aggregate or as we call it an AJ gamer? Does he get upset? He's ridiculous. Big child. Wendy has to bear the brunt of that. Apparently more poor women by the way struggling so hard to keep that family together. I'm in this difficult difficult time. I've heard. So yeah. I mean, the, you know, Hillis and the games are made to be enjoyed. And for enjoyment's I tried to take them too seriously though. We do have very competitive streak when it comes to certain fighting games backstage. So is that why you're able to not be emotional because he just win? Yeah, that's the secret, isn't it? Win, win, win. No matter what the games are only gonna make you happy if you keep just victories just victors you know, nonstop. Well, well, I hope for victories nonstop for you. I know you're. I don't mean and again, we're not talking about life. Okay. I want life victims for you wherever you go. I appreciate that. I appreciate you give me the time, Simone, Joe, will you know when they forced me, I try to do my best. Not much you can do as long as those China. Yeah, it's gonna cash, right? Yeah, we're getting. Thank you so much. Thank you. Here is Sam Roberts. So there you have at the end of our big six interviews from the WWE performance center over the course of the last two weeks here on the podcast Samoa Joe, the iconic, Billy k. Peyton Royce and of course, annum coal Kylo Riley and Roderick strong of the undisputed era. Thank you to all six of those ladies and gentlemen. I thought that another great set of interviews, of course, the first set you're going to be able to find on YouTube this set. If you wanna watch the videos, you can watch them immediately. If you're not Sam Schill at patriotair dot com, slash not Sam wrestling or they'll be up on the YouTube channel. YouTube dot com. Slash not Sam within a week or two. We got a lot to talk about on the state of wrestling this week. Of course, we're going to dig deep into the breed Bella situation. I can't believe the amount of heat. Well, I don't know if I it's a super complicated issue and we're gonna. We're gonna. We're going to dissect it. On on the state of wrestling this week because it's really it dominated in my mind. I mean, looking at like wrestling Twitter and everything, it really dominated conversation this week, so we'll get into it. You know, I, I am anxious. I, it's interesting because my relationship with WWE becomes more and more difficult to not that it's difficult. It's just like, do I want to deal with it when it when it comes to tweeting the live shows. I don't know if you guys noticed, but sometimes I get into a string of it, but then other times I don't really do it not tell you when I'm watching WWE. I'm also show prepping, you know, I do the Jim Norton and Sam Roberts morning show on Sirius XM every morning. So generally speaking, I'm watching WWE and I'm getting all my notes together for the next day's morning show. So a lot of times I can't tweet and do my show prep and watch role or smackdown. So sometimes it's that. But other times it's like, you know, I'm not gonna sit there. I'm gonna wrestling fan. So if. Stuff. I like stuff. I'd like I'm not going to sit there and nitpick stuff. I don't like on Twitter. That's not. It's not really to me the best use of my time. But you know, I wanted like right about stuff that I like, but it feels like this bunch of people on Twitter that think that anytime I like something, I'm just doing it because you know, I'm on WWE's payroll, which is, I mean pretty ridiculous. Right. Like at this point in my life. I don't need to. Tweet to try to impress people like I'm not sitting there. It's just weird like. Sirius XM is the label that pays me, but Sirius XM. You know, it's my, that's my day job. Like that's my employer, and I'm not sitting there like I'm tweeting about Jim and Sam show, and I'm not sitting there getting accused of, oh, well, you're just tweeting about serious because you work for them. No, I subscribe to Sirius before I worked for them. I think it's a great company, right? You know, if you go through my my tweets, my WWE social media presence. It's always been pro WWE. It's kind. I'm a pro WWE person. The reason why I started the podcast regardless of working for them or not working for them. The reason that I started the podcast was because I'm a WWE fan unapologetically. So the podcast had been around for almost three years by the time I worked for WWE at least two years. So you know, I don't. I don't know how the math adds up on that, but I guess it's a, it's a fun inconvenient narrative. It doesn't really not that it. It bothers me. It's just something that now. I think about. I also think that Twitter is just kind of a different place. You know, a few years ago, it used to be one of those things where it was just a spot where you could go out and and spout your opinion offer send a joke out or whatever. Twitter's much more angry divisive place than it ever has been before, and there's far less benefit to Twitter than ever in the history of the internet. You know, I, I'm not on a percent. Sure. I guess it's great to be able to communicate with fans, right? Like I like getting feedback from you guys. I love waking up on Thursday morning and seeing tweets from you guys. They're listening to the podcast. I love hearing from people that enjoy the podcast. Enjoy radio show that you know that that are fans of that, but you know the amount of people that are just waiting for you to say something stupid on Twitter almost gets to a point where you're like. I feel like I do my talking on the podcast. So this generally what I tend to do, I feel. Like I just lay. I'll watch something on Ron, whether I like it or don't like it. I'll be like I could tweet about it, but I don't know if I can get it into, you know, two hundred characters or whatever it is. Maybe I just wait until the state of wrestling. So I make a little note on my phone. Maybe I just wait until the podcast and I'll get it out of my system then. So that's what I am going to do right now. Ladies and gentlemen, you know what time it is here. I'm not saying wrestling, it is time to get it off my chest. I'm going to get my notes out on my phone. I'm going to see what the top five stories are this week in the state of wrestling. It's now time for this week's state of wrestling. Yes, it is welcome to the state of wrestling here on not Sam wrestling. Of course, if you're listening to this, you know what we do every single week go down the top five stories according to yours. Truly the last professional broadcasters, Sam Roberts in the world of wrestling and sports entertainment. And if you're watching this, I appreciate you being not Sam Schill. Of course, the. Exclusive place to get the state of wrestling segment on video each and every week is only on patriotic for the not Sam shells at patriotair dot com. Slash not Sam wrestling. You can watch long in the state of wrestling videos. They're not just there for a day for a week. They stay up there forever. So enjoy them. If you're a not Sam shell on the indie darling level or above, it's going to get unlocked for you forever. It's an amazing, amazing deal. So watch along with us story number five, this week is Lana and what happened in Milwaukee. You know, I love smackdown right now. The storytelling that's going on on smackdown is it's so good. Like the segments are unpredictable. You know, we'll talk about a few different things that have been on smackdown this week, so I don't wanna go over the entire show. But from the way the show ended who've quite frankly, from the way the show began to the way the show ended and what was sprinkled in between you Ed. Everybody made to look great everybody in that. The opening segment, you told multiple stories. In the opening segment, you had radio and look link looking like a million bucks. You had the show ending on suspense and in a way that maybe. People didn't realize it would end with the Samoa Joan AJ style thing. And again, it's the same thing we talked about last week, you end up actually caring about this Samoa Joe AJ styles story, which can't be understated or overstated. It can be understated, but it can't be overstated because it's the third now match between these two for the same title with the same person going in his champion at a pay per view, and somehow we still care. And the reason is because of the storytelling that's going on in full credit goes to smackdown, but people in a in a story. If you if I told you a year ago, I'm there's going to be like a soap opera style story going on between Aiden English Roussev and Lana. You'd be like, what on main event, but everybody's talking about it. And that's because we have found reasons to care about all these people for ru, seven, Lana to carry again in a way that. We probably haven't cared sense. They first showed up and Rousseff was portrayed as a main event level bad guy with Lana by side. I mean, you care in a different way, but I mean on that level, Aiden English. We've never cared about this much Aiden English as prospering in a way that people probably didn't think was going to happen after the vaudevillians or vaudevillians broke up and Simon Gotch left the company, but he is. He is Aiden, English comes out and goes, did you tell everybody would happen in Milwaukee? Oh no. And then he just left and Rousseff is looking confused and Lana has his look on her face like I don't know what he's talking about, but you know that she knows what he's talking about. It was great. Now, there's a lot of theories on the internet about what it could be. One of the good people over the squared circle sub read it broke, broke down. What had happened in Milwaukee. The last several times that route seven Lana, were they're going back to two thousand fifteen on March. Fourteenth Roussev wrestled in a triple threat defending the United States championship against Jack swagger and Rybeck at a live event. This was mere weeks before Lonner provided Rousseff with a tank for his wrestlemainia entrance. Now it seems unlikely that anything would have happened on this night because anybody that knows anything about route seven, Lana? No, the the history of wrestlemainia where John CENA and Rousseff went one on one. A lot of people thought that that was a bad moment in the history of Rousseff because it was kind of when the steam was taken out of his engine. It was when the wind was removed from his sales. It was a build and build and build and build. And then he took on the big hero at wrestlemainia biggest match. The Rousseff has had sense at all. It's the biggest match in reserves career still to this day and Johnson a beat him in a match that a lot of people thought Rousseff could have gotten made in any wasn't how. However, history has shined a new light on that day because instead of even being reminded who the match was with, the history has been told that that day Rousseff was made. And that's because he went to wrestlemainia on a tank. We don't talk about what the match was. We don't talk about who won the match. We don't talk about anything like that. We don't talk about what happened after that wrestlemainia. All we talk about is the fact that there was a tank there and at the end of the day, Lana is the one that provided the tank. So the fact that on March fourteenth only a couple of weeks before Lana was going to provide the tank, they were in Milwaukee. I would say that they were in a very healthy place because. The tank was still going to happen. If Lana was doing things behind reserves, back on March fourteenth, two thousand fifteen, we probably would have never had that tank. We go forward a year and change to October twenty second twenty sixteen where Roussev lost a United States championship match to Roman reigns again at a live event. Lana was there with Rousseff so you know. No, I don't think it alive event. Lana would have been sneaking around on Rousseff. That's probably not true. There is a date between those events. However, an episode of smackdown taped on July seventh twenty fifteen where Rousseff defeated fandango Lana was not with Roussev at this time due to an alliance with summer Rae, and she was not in the building that night, Lana and Rousseff were on their break at this time after she had kissed Dolf Ziglar. Furthermore, this was the first night that Rousseff was spotted wearing boots after his broken ankle injury avoidance or fashion choice. Big question Mark. Now, of course, when men change up their fashion, a lot of times it's because a different woman has has has given them advice. A lot of women get suspicious when men change up their routines because it makes them feel like there's a new, a new person influencing their decisions at the same time. Maybe Rousseff felt like. Lana was slipping away from him and he had to change things up. That also happens you, you're observant of of the lady that you're with. You realize that maybe the look that was once in her is the interest that she wants showed you is no longer there. So what do you do? You switch things up in order to get her interested once more, maybe that is what was going on with Lana on that day. I don't think that it was July seven, twenty fifteen. However, because how would aiding in Aden English know anything about that? What in Lana in a moment of confidence, tell Aden about it. And Furthermore, would it be that scandalous if rue, seven, Lana were on a break at the time. Maybe the story is that on July seventh twenty fifteen while Lana and Rousseff Rana break Lana had a brief tryst with Aiden English that's possible out of any of these three possibilities. The July seven twenty fifteen day. Day is the most likely cause we know they were in Milwaukee. We know she wasn't there with Roussev. She could have ran off with Aiden English because Aiden English was not in the picture yet. He wasn't betraying his friend and maybe they just never wanted to tell Reuss of, who knows who knows. Some people brought up the old rock promo where rock made it sound as though he'd had an affair with Lana. Of course, we know a couple years ago on an episode of Monday night wrought, the Barclay center I was there. I was sitting in the audience. I was there with Noel Foley. As a matter of fact, if I remember correctly and Rousseff was in the ring with Lana and the rock came out, surprised everybody. We were shocked and cut a promo on Rousseff and Lana. A couple years later he showed up as surprise on ROY was going around backstage, and he made it sound like there was an affair that happened between the rock and Lana, and he brought up the fact that he taught Lana about the Wisconsin wheelbarrow. Now people are saying, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. That's gotta be. It's gotta be the rock. Some people are going as far as to say. The rock is rumored to be coming back at smackdown one thousand next month. If the rock is there was constant, we'll barrow. Maybe we're setting something up there. Here's why that's a ridiculous theory. Number one, the rock isn't coming back for a storyline. Every time there's a rumor of the rock coming back for one show. People try to fan FanFest him into a storyline. He's only coming back for the one show. Why weeks in advance would they start building a story that they're, they're going to have to reveal and pay off in one day plus what would aid in English have to do with any of that all roads here need to lead back to Aiden English in some way, shape or form. And if it's the rock. The rock is going to be the punchline of this thing. Furthermore. The move is called the Wisconsin wheelbarrow, right? It didn't happen in Wisconsin. He clearly said that it happened in Brooklyn. Brooklyn is way I've been to Brooklyn. I don't know if I've ever been to Milwaukee, but I know they're separated by a huge mass of land. Milwaukee and Brooklyn are nowhere near each other. It's called the Wisconsin wheel barrow. It didn't happen. Whatever happened during the rock and Lana. The rock is said happen in Brooklyn, not in Milwaukee. Therefore, the rock promo is a red herring. Maybe it will be addressed on that episode of smackdown. If the rock comes out, Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, wheelbarrow, and may get referenced. But that will not be the payoff to the story. All roads are going to have to lead back to Aiden English here. Because realistically, the only reason any of this is even being talked about is because the WWE wants us the fan that ticket buying public to buy in to a good guy Roussev versus. Bad guy, Aiden English match. They want us to buy in to Rousseff versus Aiden English. You're going to have to tell a pretty good story to get us to buy into that. And if the story revolves around the rock, it's not going to happen. As I said before, all roads need to lead back to Aiden English will they? I believe. So if we're looking at a date that has been mentioned so far, the only thing that makes any sense the March fourteenth twenty fifteen date makes no sense. The October twenty second twenty. Sixteen date makes no sense because it was a live event. They're not gonna you know that it just doesn't make any sense. The TV taping on July seven twenty fifteen might make some sense because Lana and Roussev were on a break. But again twenty fifteen. That's like three years ago and change. You know, I think more likely it's going to be something that happened a lot more recently, but I'm anxious to find out and I'm gonna tell you something if the goal is to make me care about what's going on in the lives of Aiden English, ru, seven, Lana, you've succeeded smackdown us succeeded. Once again, you keep surprising me. You keep making me raise my expert. Patients for you and you you, you reach them every single time. It's an amazing time to be a WWE fan, especially a smackdown fan, especially a Rousseff day Lana day Aden day fan. I hope they make those Aidan day t shirts. Some part of me wants an Aden day t shirt. He can't even say it Aiden day Rousseff day Aden day Aden day a day. You don't even know what you're saying. Say Aidan day three times Aidan day Aden day eight day groovy Dayton day emit loses all meaning way quicker than anything Lana day. That's like holiday. That sounds fun. Happy Lana day, hey, I'm not gonna work today. Why? It's a lot of day. Perfect. Rousseff day. That's the OG that's amazing. Rousseff day is like, yeah, I I want to celebrate Russa day is a specific date Lana day is just like any any any. That's like a when you wake up in the morning and you feel great, right? You don't feel sick. You don't feel rundown. You don't feel tired. It's not one of those days that you wake up and go. I don't even want to get out of bed. One of those days that you wake up and you are ready to conquer the world, but the last place you want to be as at work or school, you're like, you know what I love today. I need to take a dip in lake meet today the day that comes that you need to take a dip in lake you. That's a lot of day not a holiday Alana day. There's many Lana days throughout the year. Roussev day is a day dedicated to Rousseff. It happens to fall on all of the days on the calendar, but they're all specific days. It is Rousseff day day. We're celebrating that man. Rousseff Aidan day is just like it's not even a day like you don't. If I said, happy Aidan day, you'd be like, what's didn't. They. Do day a done day, you know, it's so hard to say, but there's something catchy about and it just it's so ridiculous. It makes me wanna t shirt. So happy done day. Everybody out there listening to not see him wrestling right now. Let's go to story. Number four. Somebody who's not having the greatest aid done day of all time is Joey Genoa know updates about jelly. I haven't spoken to him. He did the podcast a couple of weeks ago right after all in. Of course, a lot more is gone on on Joey, but Joey Ella last weekend had a match against psychosis, like Joey is doing this amazing job over the last couple of years. It keeps happening of just having fantasy dream childhood dream matches. Like I don't mean dream matches like, you know, Okada versus omega or anything like that. I mean, the type of dream matches where like you're a little kid and you're watching hukou she and you're like one day I wanna wrestle Khushi. Those are the type of dream matches. He's having. He wrestled the great Sascha. He wrestled hukou she now he had a match against psychosis and in the match. I mean, the video is out there. I'm not gonna. Tweet it out because it's gross. But if you just look up Joey, Giannella knee, you can find it. He took a dive at a show where he's wrestling psychosis off the top rope onto the floor. He landed at properly, he hit psychosis, but when he fell, his knee buckled all the way to the outside. It's disgusting to look at it. It's really tough. He hasn't actually said what the injury is, but I mean, it was clear when you look at it as like that. What just happened is extremely serious. Oh my God. So I don't know exactly what the injury is. He's all he said is that it's super swollen up. He went to the hospital right after he had an MRI Josiah does not have health insurance. I just hope he has enough money in the money drawer that we've found out about to take care of all this stuff because the hospital stays are no joke. But you know, it's a shame because Josiah was an independent guy. We talked to him on the podcast. He has no money saved up. So you know, he's wrestling to make a living. So hopefully after all in and everything, he's put enough money in the drawer to keep himself afloat until he comes back. I have no doubt that if he is out for any length of time, number one, he'll be making videos and stuff like that to remind everybody of who he is. But number two, he's going to be getting himself into shape. He's going to be able. The Joey Janetta return is probably going to be one of the biggest things he ever did. It also really makes you realize what wrestling is all about. George Nella is a guy who jumped off a roof onto a back of a truck full of barbed wire and fire and light tubes. He jumped off of a ceiling. He did a power bomb off a ladder. He's, he's done all this ridiculous crazy stuff. And what gets images just dive off the top rope. You never know. Oh, it's all super dangerous stuff and you never know what's gonna, what's gonna get you? And this time it looks like it got Joey. I don't know how long he's out for, but I really hope that it's not a long time. George Nella is on such an amazing wave right now. You hate to see it get interrupted, but you also really hope that when he comes back, it's in the grandest and biggest way possible because judge he's, he's he's a special talent. He's just the buzz that Joey has been able to build himself. He's defied a lot of expectations, and I think he's going to continue to defy expectations with this injury. He's gonna come back. He's going to be stronger than ever. And I also hope he focuses himself. Not that he's not focused. I just hope that this injury is is kind of a wakeup call and when he comes back, he's in the best shape of his life, but also mentally is focused on exactly what his goals are and getting himself to the next level because that kid becomes super folk. On exactly what he wants to do. He's going to get it done. This is a guy was Ronin his own shows. This is a guy who's built a whole universe. I didn't even know if he knows it. He's building an entire universe around himself. And if he can keep that focus and put that into exactly what he wants to do in the wrestling business, he's going to be able to succeed. So I hope that he does when he gets back from this injury story number three is another smackdown story, and that is technically it's over the course of two or three weeks, and we talk to Carmella about it a little bit last week on the podcast. But even if I've said a few things about it before bears repeating the return and rebirth of our truth is story. Number three. I mean, how amazing has our truth been even in that mix match challenge promo? I don't know if you saw it on raw, but they did the mix match challenge promo where they're on cellphones and everything, and it's him and Carmella who by the way, love the new hair color. Carmella you'll look fabulous. And you know that it pains me to compliment you. So I mean, it. But our truth. Cutting promo on Carmella for Helena cell, and then going, no truth. We're gonna. We're wrestling against Askin MS and him going like they're going to be at Helena, sell to like just all never breaking, never breaking. It's just amazing. You know, I know that MS beat him, and MS should have beat him because Miz is about to get in line for a possible championship match. If he should be Daniel Bryan, which hopefully honest I, and I made the case for it last week. Hopefully he won't, but go back to last week's state of wrestling if you want more justification on that. But either way. This road still leads the MS eventually being champion. So he should be beating our truth. All that said, technically, that means the MS got his TV show back MS TV. I think that MS is so valuable in the ring and cutting promos that he doesn't need to be hosting. Miz TV, and true TV is about the funniest segment that you've got on smackdown. It's just sheer entertainment. You got the whole audience chanting, TRU TV, true TV. This was probably meant to be a one off, but Mark my words, true TV is going to become a regular fixture on smackdown with the reaction that had got. I mean, our truth is the only guy that could make the seven second dance breaks work. People are so sick of dance bits in WWE from all the dance offs. They've had to all this stuff. Fans are just tired of dance stuff going on in WWE. All. Together, but. They loved this seven second dance bring and Carmella is perfect for because Carmella has gone from somebody who would have laughed at our truth to somebody who's buying into our truth. I think Carmella is the only person who could somehow at authenticity to what Archer is doing. She's actually making it seem like she buys into this whole world like she does think it's funny, but she also doesn't. She doesn't think it's fake. You know what I mean? When the car the character of Carmella when you watch her, she it's working because she's sitting there believing in what are true is selling, and it makes us as fans feel okay, would buying in to everything are true this selling regardless of how ridiculous it is. And I mean a good God is that guy in good shape. You know he he could be thirty five years old in that ring. It's amazing the way he looks the way moves. I'm just such a fan and, and I think you know, we go back. Probably a year or two at this point and listen to the interview that we did with our truth on this show. You could see he's got a great relationship with Vince McMahon who thinks he's absolutely hilarious, like it it. It's just so nice. 'cause Archer was off TV for a while. So the idea that he's back on TV and making the impact that he's making is huge to me. I just I'm such a fan of everything Archerd is doing right now, and he adds so much to smackdown and that's one of the things that makes smackdown so special. I think of art truth were on raw because raw is a show that is so centered around the stars. Raw is a show that is so centered around Roman reigns around Braun strowman around this story. Think about it this way. Smackdown is telling the main story on smackdown right is for the WWE championship between Samoa Joe and AJ styles. And I would argue that they've been successful in the Samoa Joe AJ style storytelling. They only spent what twelve minutes on it on smackdown this week. One segment, you know, they hyped it up throughout the night, but one segment at the very end of the show, and it was an interview segment and it was Samoa Joe at AJ's house and everything, and it all worked beautifully. But when you think about how much time is spent between the shield Dolf Ziegler drew McIntyre andbranch Stroman. You've probably got a third of the show being spent on those guys. Two different philosophies are now existing on ruin smackdown for me, the smackdown philosophy is working better and we'll get into that. But one of the reasons it's working better is because it gives people like our truth, a chance to really shine. There is no circumstance where our truth is getting twenty minutes on an episode of raw to be as entertaining as he was on smackdown. And that's because he's not a proven main event, household name. The way the guys that they're trying to push on raw are you know, other people are getting chances Dov Ziglar has gone from somebody who wasn't even in the conversation to one of the top guys on raw. And I think that at least impart due to the fact that he and Seth Rollins where having the best matches of the summer, the wrestling quality to me, the match quality on raw. It's definitely an argument. I think the match quality on raw is better than the match quality on smackdown. You know, when you're talking about like the revival, you're talking about Seth Rollins in dolph Ziglar. Probably two of the best wrestlers in the company right now, dean Ambrose drew McIntyre, you know, bronze, drum all these guys. There's a lot of guys having really great matches and brunch. Roman is not having classically great matches, but they're, you know, they're, they're, they're exactly what they should be with brunch from in the Bronx. Stroman segments are exactly what they should be. So I think I. Could make the argument the the matches on raw are better than the matches on smackdown. The stories on smackdown are better than the stories on raw. The story telling on smackdown is better than the storytelling on raw. The pacing on smackdown is better than the pacing on raw. And that is evident in case of our truth where Archer that an opportunity and he really, really cashed in, and I just don't think that that opportunity would have been made available on raw, although he could have just as easily been a star on raw as he is on smackdown right now. Speaking of that, that brings us the story number two, which is the ratings for raw this week. Now I'm one of these guys that thinks in two thousand eighteen television ratings are you know one of many, many categories of success in wrestling. You know, I just the idea that we're even comparing well in the attitude era. They got this and now they had that nobody television ratings are not what they used to be. Okay. You have an entire audience. WWE has. One of the biggest channels on YouTube. The fact is you have an entire audience of people that are getting what they want out of raw by watching clips on YouTube. They put so many clips from raw on YouTube. Many, many full-fledged WWE fans are getting what they need to get from raw by watching it on YouTube, and that has nothing to do with the fact that it's three hours in it's too long. The stories are boring this that it's not a negative. It's just the facts. It's the way a lot of people consume entertainment is on YouTube, and instead of WWE running away from that, they're leaning into it. A lot of shows are running away from that because they want they want their rating to stay the same because they want their their advertising rate in their audience on cable to stay the same WWE is in a unique opportunity in the sense that they know that they are live TV, and there's very. A few shows left that is required live TV watching. And when you have to watch live TV, it means you don't DVR and fast forward through commercials. So the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of the people that do watch raw on cable are watching the commercials as well, which is very something that is is very appealing to advertisers. Also, the WWE audience is a passionate hardcore loyal audience, so that's gonna translate to advertisers. You know, I think that the WWE is smart to lean into this to lean in to the way people are consuming content, right? And I think that that's that's part of the conversation to have. I think the same way we go. Let's look at the TV rating. The raw had this week and compare it with the TV rating that ROY had last week and compare with the TV rating that raw had a year ago. This time we should take the YouTube clips from raw and compare them with the YouTube clips from raw week ago. And compare them with the YouTube clips from raw a year ago around this time because that's part of it. You know. WWE purpose fully puts out enough clips on YouTube. The people who just watch YouTube will be able to keep up with what's going on on raw. I think a lot of people will watch it and go like I wanna watch the whole show because clearly I'm not getting everything. But if my DVR is it doesn't work it malfunctions if I'm not home and for whatever reason, I don't have Ron DVR I go on Hulu and I watched the show the ninety minute version on Hulu. So they're cutting out about an hour of the show minus commercials. Then I go on YouTube and I look for the clips of the stuff that I missed from watching Hulu. So that's the other thing he keep in mind. Hulu is available the day after raw YouTube is available. As raw goes on by the third hour, the first hour clips starting to go up. So you know, there are people that are watching on Hulu. There are people that are watching on YouTube, there's there's lots of ways to consume this content, whereas less than. Ten years ago, there was one way and that was to turn on your TV and watch. Now that doesn't take away from the fact that the ratings are lower than they have been. That probably does mean that there are less is on. It doesn't necessarily mean that the way that you could say that you know several years ago, this has a direct correlation. It clearly means that there's less is on it. You can't say that anymore. Twenty eighteen. It does not mean there's less is on it. One hundred percent. It means there could be less is on it, but we need to analyze all the facts before we actually say that. Now I think there is a possibility that there's less is on it, and I think the raw does need to make improvements. I don't think it's has as much to do some people think it's Roman reigns. All it's too much Roman reigns and Bob LA. Some people are blaming odd. They keep putting the Bellas on Babo by the storylines are tired, baba pot. It's none of that. It's what we talked about last week. It's the fact that Roy's a predictable show to me, I believe that you would see interest in Ross bike interest in raw. Would go up. If you were doing a show where you didn't quite know what was going to happen next, anybody that watched raw for as long as I have or even not as long if you're a regular viewer of raw, you know exactly how the show is going to go. You can set your watch to it. You know what the intro segment is going to be like, you know, you're going to get into a match. That's longish for the second part of the show, you know you're going to get into another match. You know, there's going to be a behind the scenes, backstage promo, you know, we're going to start the second hour with either a another promo or a main event, caliber match. That's really just going to set up. You know, you know, you're going to get somebody on the level of the authors of pain or the revival halfway through the second hour. You know, the third hours where you're gonna see your Shawn, Michaels undertaker that segment is advertised, you know, okay. You know, you can you when they go like. Tonight on raw, Ronda. Rousey is gonna face, Alexa bliss, you know, but coming up next, this is going to happen and you go, okay, next this is gonna happen. That means to start the ten o'clock hour. Ronda Rousey is going to have her match or okay. That means that's the main event of the night. They'll go like, you know, Ronda Rousey is in action tonight. Plus your main event is barren corporate Babo, blah, okay. Rhonda Rousey is wrestling it at nine fifty five going into ten o'clock right around ten. Forty five is when we're gonna start the Barron, corporate match. Got it. All set my watch two or I'll decide right now whether I wanna watch or whether I don't wanna watch, you know. Whereas if you're watching smackdown I had the same experience this week that I had last week, which was I'm looking at the clock going. I don't know what what what's happening next? Oh, contract signing to end. The show is that I don't exactly know. Like the whole time you're watching smackdown. You don't quite know what's going to happen next. And I think that raw needs a lot more of that in their show. And I think that's where you'd see results in ratings to, you know, I think it has. Everything to do with the way the show is formatted and the fact that it's become very predictable. That's my opinion on the major problem with Ron right now way too predictable, speaking of raw and problems on it. The number one story of the week live Morgan gets Aken cushy on live Morgan who I absolutely adore. Was concussed on raw this week. It was a pretty gruesome shot to watch it. I ended up rewinding it because you know, I might have been looking at my computer. I saw the gifts as watching the show. I rewound it, so I could see it all in context. Of course, there is the weird moment where you see live Morgan at ringside, and then Michael Cole says, live, Morgan is backstage. Clearly, Michael Cole is not an idiot, who doesn't who doesn't think to himself. You just saw live Morgan right there. Let me lie about it. I believe he was instructed to say that that's my personal opinion. As a fan, you watch that you analyze. It was probably instructed to say that because a lot of people are wondering what the hell was that, but. Breathe. Bella is kicking live Morgan. She's doing the yes kicks at one point. It looks like she catches her. This is this is the way I took it. Brielle is kicking kicking kicking. I thought at one moment it looked like she caught her. It forced live to kind of Ducker head down in a way that was almost like out, you know. So she, she talks her channel little bit at which point brea Bella swings back, kick cer- land square in the head and live Morgan loses consciousness, live Morgan. She slumps down on the ground. She clearly gets knocked out breed, Bella has to kind of while the match us still going shaker out of her state that she's in and kind of drag her to the corner so that she can tag out. Some people were like, why would they stop the match? But if it's a tag match, I don't think that's necessary. I think you pull the the participant out of the match, but if it's a tag match, you know, I don't think you have to stop the match at that point that just, you know the unless it just draws attention to the wrong things that are going on. But the big thing that people were talking about is. The fact that Bree Bella in a lot of people's opinions shouldn't be wrestling is reckless. She did this. She's horrible. She keeps messing up baba. Now, couple of things at play here. The one side is rebel is reckless. She's completely she. She doesn't belong in a ring. There's been multiple incidents of this. She's now kicked somebody in the head and can custom. It looked like she kicked her twice. This is wrong. Get her out of the ring all together. The other side is saying, is his wrestling accidents happen Boban now here's how I feel about the matter. I do believe that a lot of the people that are being critical of brea Bella are not acknowledging the fact that accidents happen. Okay. Owen Hart. You would call one of the greatest wrestlers of all time nearly paralyzed Steve Austin. Injured, Steve Austin, so badly. That Austin ended up ending his career several years earlier than he probably would have because of the neck injury. He suffered at own hearts carelessness and an accident that happened at own hearts hands. Seth Rollins, injured fin Ballard took him out for a year in a move. The completely took fin valor off course. Then only a few months later ended sting's career prematurely. We using the exact same move. He also knocked Johnson is knows from one side of his face to another. Would that big knee and made a t-shirt about it? You know, dealer Brown paralyzed draws Darren draws Dov after a power bomb, gone wrong. Undertaker one of the most respected guys ever choke slim mankind through a cell. The cell was not supposed to break, but the choke slammed broke it back, body dropped, Shawn Michaels onto a coffin. Injury, Shawn Michaels to the extent that his career would be interrupted for about four years. Okay. These things happen. Undertaker is still one of the greatest of all time. Doesn't deserve blame for that stuff. Seth Rollins to me, in my opinion, the best wrestler in WWE today doesn't deserve blame for Owen. Hart clearly doesn't deserve blame Ford because mistakes happen. And this is the world that we're in in Japan. Look, it wasn't that long ago that Oscar was in St.. Oscar was in a match with Emma at a live event is distinctly remember watching the video. It was everywhere. The match had to be ended early because Oscar kicked Emma in the head and knocked her unconscious. Nobody was saying Oscar shouldn't be an annex t everybody was saying, Oscar is the real deal. Oscar is legit. This is strong style. There's many people in Japan. They're kicking each other in the face for. For real because it strong style because it's whatever and they're respected for it. You know now. So I think that that's got to be taken into consideration and that's not being talked about now. There's this theory that wrestling fans don't get to have an opinion on wrestling because we've never been in the ring. That's ridiculous. That's not true. I would say that if a wrestler tells you something wrestlers are going to have a built in bias. I have a built in bias, right? Because I like breathe Bella because I work at WWE. I know I've interviewed the Bellas many times. I have a cordial relationship with them. I have a built in bias because I wanna see them do well, but we all have built in biases. You if you don't like Brielle may have a built in bias because you don't like the Bella twins because you didn't like the divas division at all. A lot of people they built in bias against the Bellas. So the biases are there and it's okay. We just have to acknowledge when our bias exists. I am slightly biased in favor of rebel. I used to walk around with a bream owed t shirt to every event that I went to. There is a bias built in with me, but to the people that are vehemently in venomously anti-belo. There is a bias on the other side against. Her that you walked in with when you found out the Bella twins were coming back night you, but you. Some of you out there not true for others of you out there. I know there were a lot of people when the Bella twins came back, people were like, I don't wanna see them back. I don't like the Bella twins. I like to new women wrestlers. I like two new female WWE superstars. The women's evolution is what I like. Not the older women, which isn't fair because the Bella twins, Nikki especially completely change their styles in order to fit into this new style of women's wrestling completely went back to school. Trained heavy became more athletic, became more fierce, became legitimate superstars in my opinion, and they belong where they're at. There is a difference between Owen Hart and undertaker and people that end and de LA Brown and all these people Embry Bella and the difference is the Bree has had multiple incidents since she came back. Brie or first night back on raw, those two dives outside the ring. It looked like she was going to break her neck. It made you feel like she shouldn't be doing those moves. In the mixed tag, it looked like she was going to really badly hurt, Selena Vega. And it looked at times like Selena Vega, who is a great wrestler. Was lucky that she was so good because she was able to get both of them through that. And then you've got this night on raw over the course of a very short period of time. Brielle has racked up several mistakes, and I believe that that a lot of this has to do with ring rust. A lot of this has to do with maybe some insecurity that she has because she keeps making mistakes and with every mistake that she has more insecurity mounts and you end up making more mistakes when you're not confident. I think that that's part of it, and part of it is, you know, I don't think she should be doing Daniel Bryan's move set by the way. Daniel. Bryan has kicked people in the head before Daniel. Bryan has had multiple concussions during matches. Daniel Bryan was bleeding from the head because shame as headbutted himself heart, right? These things happen. You can't sit here and vilify Brielle because she gave live Morgan a concussion. It's not the first concussion. It won't be the last one. The rock is looked at as the greatest w one of the greatest WWE superstar of all time. Some people say he's the greatest. He hit poor Mick Foley in the head head with a chair full force like twelve times in one match unnecessarily. That's reckless. Go back and watch. Royal rumble ninety nine. You wanna see reckless watch the rock one of the greatest of all time cave mankind's skull in legitimately to the point where at one point, Mick Foley is feeding the rock his back and the rock walks around Mick Foley, so he could hit him on the top of the head that's reckless what breed Bella was doing. She made a mistake. Is the difference between being reckless and making a mistake. There's a difference between being somebody who's careless and being somebody who made a mistake. Okay. I think breeders more forgiveness than she's getting, but I think that we also need to acknowledge that she's made a bunch of mistakes and her skill set maybe isn't the skill set that should be doing. Daniel Bryan's moves. That doesn't mean she should be out of a ring altogether. It just means maybe the kicks, the dives, all this stuff. Not for her. Daniel Bryan is an amazingly skilled athlete, right? He's trained to work in the style that he works in. For many, many years for decades now, you know, and he trains every day. Maybe that's not what breach should be doing. Maybe brea be doing something else. You know, and that's, that's what I think that that we need to take another look at at at what Brees doing in the ring and change it up a little bit. But I also think that we need to acknowledge the fact that there's a huge fan backlash against pre Bella right now. And I think that the WWE should take advantage of that backlash. I think that this is the time that the WWE sets up the stable that I've been talking about. I think. That Alexa bliss, befriends, breathe Bella and Nikki Bella, and they talk about how the fans have been so mean, and they talk about what the fans are saying. And they talk about Twitter and everything. And then I think Alexa bliss. Alicia FOX. And the reason Alexa bliss part of this group is because I wanted to stay a bad guy. I think Alexa bliss Alicia FOX, mickie, James, the Bella twins, and then maybe on the side, a little MAURICE, a little Maria canals should reform the divas division. And I think that these five women with two on the side, so maybe seven, she'd come forward and challenge the women's evolution and sit there and say, Charlotte, everybody's saying you're the greatest women of all time. You're not the divas were better, and I think there should be a heel faction. Of divas and call themselves divas and be heels an advocate for that butterfly title coming back and talk about the fact that the women's evolution has made it seem like the divas. Era was really bad for women when in fact, it wasn't. They were role models. They were athletes, they were baba, and that is your motivation is a heel. That's what I think you should do. Again, you talk about WWE leaning into the YouTube culture, lean into the backlash. I know that the the bell is a real life baby faces. I know that they've got this business empire and everything tournament a heels tournament the heels and have them become advocates for the divas division. Why not? Everybody sees it anyway. That's what I would do. You know, make it so that it it. It's it's like. People don't look at them the same way. They look like there's, there's the generation that started with the four horse women of next Becky, Charlotte, Sasha Bailey from that from their forward. That's the real women's evolution to me. Everybody that came before that is kind of div at least divas kind of trail off if not full on divas division. So get the people who didn't go through the annex t system, get them together with Alexa bliss. Alexa bliss is important because Alexa bliss adds credibility, Alexa bliss edge winds, and Alexa bliss gets to stay a heel. 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