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Material 231: Food for Thought

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Material 231: Food for Thought

"The good morning afternoon or evening. Please delete as appropriate. Hello there this is episode. Two two three one of the material podcast with a special hi-de-ho going out to people in the traverse city Michigan area. Erico two three one the Pinky of the Great Michigan mitten meaning. If you're holding up your left hand as your hand as often do when you're trying to explain to people where you're you're from Michigan and you point to where on the menu are so exactly so if you're holding up so if you hold up your right hand to somebody exactly then So the the traverse city would be in the Pinky area. Although you're see you're far better remember and I think that would probably mean that you are like the manners manners the the the the elocution area because as we know if you when you were drinking your tea you know you have your pinky extended as the as the three stooges learned in so how many of their duck many stores by the way Andy Nocco and Florence Ion and all the things I know about Michigan I learned from home improvement. I'm thinking about that. When I saw your Notre Jay I was like you know because my I mean I mean look jogger FY obviously was a thing? Elementary drew school. But whenever I think of Michigan immediately and I and I apologize the State of Michigan for this but home improvement was show that my family rallied around for years ears. wounded showed on TV because my father was a contractor and you know the whole generals thing was apparently hilarious. Hutton so maybe think it just made me think about Tim Allen which I apologize. Because he's a little further and for those those those of you who are unfamiliar with home improvement You'll probably remember it as it's known as that Sitcom where the father is is an idiot and his incompetent at pretty much everything that he does and his wife is improbably really really beautiful given the the the the degree of the load that the husband is. That's the they it's sort of like how Seinfeld was N- became a breakout hit because it was the show about nothing have never been done before and this was again. Wait a minute. So you're saying that if he were to say cook a Thanksgiving Turkey he would say. Hey rather than bake it in an Oven Evan. The conventional way. Why don't I rent like a helicopter jet engine and like put it in the thrust point of that engine and then burnt down the entire house and doing so despite the fact that my wife has told me obviously that I will be so? That's when the verb they one of those left banks and that's where it was. It was hilarious. It really was. I just remember that episode. Well I recently watched a episode with Perv a interview with Patricia. Sure Richardson who played the mom on that. Show about like why she left. And all this stuff and so it's just like it's I think it's just swimming around in my brain because of that which also so just like as a side note is very interesting to recall like when your brain recalls these things because they've kind of like you've had something recently kind of sparked this idea and so the memory vault in your brain. I mean really. Our brains are just these giant like intricate computers. Ray when you think about it so so the only reason that I jumped to thinking of home improvement after reading you mentioned Michigan in today's show notes because of the interview. I watched with Patricia. Richardson sennheiser politics anyway. I can bring back technology because yeah I was at the opening of the very very first I apple store in Soho in New York City and I remem might distinct memories apart from like one of the PR. People like in a headset with a clipboard. Board at the door holding onto her microphone and trying to get the latest Intel whether Rosie O'Donnell is coming she is not coming issue underway or she is not on her way okay. She's not underway. But is she coming the other. The other thing is seeing Tim Allen was there and I was just like as an not as a guest speaker. But just pay your New York by all means coming and it's remembers noting to myself the difference between like you can be. You can be like a stand end up comic. WHO has made? WHO's no longer touring comic and so you and but now you're you're on a hit? TV Show and you're you got mega the bucks so you're still hanging around in jeans and a t shirt but I remember distinctly that. This is a brand new pair of jeans. That like he he must have like just like a big like Scotch Tape Dispenser Role of jeans and just brought tears off a new pair. and the t shirt was one of these black tailored fitted t shirts that I to me sort of undercuts. The whole idea of wearing during a t-shirt myself wearing a tee shirt. I'm wearing the way in fact. I'm wearing a black t-shirt and I'm wearing at the way that it's supposed to be particularly if viewer self employed journalists. Which is I've been wearing it and sleeping in it for the past two or three days today I today? Hi this morning I took it off and like you know. Put on top of the hamper showering and then realize I forgot to take a fresh t shirt and so I simply turned it inside route so that the food stains from yesterday on the inside now granted defense. I'm not leaving the house today. Okay I did leave the house to pick up a pizza but again for for knowledge I don't I'm not going to worry about ruining this t shirt I have by by putting getting pizza sauce on it but see even when when I'm going out in a in a fancy occasion when I'm going out the opera I will take a brand new t shirt. I will be wearing a brand new or francs laundered t-shirt I will not. Let's say I had my Taylor like measure this for me. I've had I've ever time in Hong Kong. I go I go to my special Hong Kong Taylor for fitted t shirts. It just seems weird. That's all it's like. It's like seeing like a superhero drawn with a t shirt on and the artist doesn't know how drapery Brie works. And so they'd say I'll just draw him shirtless and then paint in. where the T shirt is? That's that's that's my that's how I'm tying this into technology and therefore into Google. Well I can bring it. I can bring us back to technology again. We're using our card early on because we do have very packed. We have a packed episode. That's why people tune in every week right because we're just fully packed. IRRELEVANCY picard here now so this is relevant and it's actually something that I need help with so maybe people out there can chime in if they have any ideas. I am too because I am the person that I am I have upgraded by upgraded. My Home Minis tennis minis because everything's and if they're still both sold in the Google store for whatever reason and I'm trying to figure out how to offload them to feeling members who might be interested in trying out out in the home Okay so really. I'm just thinking about my mom. I have like the cute one of the coral orange ones that I want to give her when I Jasey her on Thanksgiving and I'm trying to figure out if I should set it up beforehand. Even though obviously she would be taking it to her home and putting on different Wifi network and all that so I don't know in. This is where I'm stuck like I know you do a race it. The last time I handed handed down a Google home mini my. My friend didn't factory reset it and I didn't either so she was getting all the alerts for my doorbell. And she lives like forty miles away so that was just like this is technology folks like if you don't you get text messages from her and she'd be like somebody at your door and I'm like oh I'm so sorry I I didn't realize that I hadn't factory reset it before I put it in the mail. We'll send you 'cause I I like to send snail mail to my friends unusually honestly it's like hand-me-down tack or like I love makeup samples. I you know it's kind of how I game the system to try like not have to buy products all the time and so when I go through an airport and go to like the really expensive men's magazine section and rubbed my face and armpits with the TAB samples exactly and sometimes I have access so I like to set them out. Whatever it's like a sense now I find that it's still? It's my language of love as I was telling my friend the other day and anyway so I'm just trying to. I figured if anybody out there has any tips like of how I could set this up beforehand. Obviously I have not started my research on this particular thing. I just recall all having given advice to people about how to set up like a smart display before him. But you know I don't know I really don't know no because I would have. I would assume that you have to attach it to their google account. Sure you couldn't do it beforehand true. Maybe I should just factory factory reset it and just send it off and tell her what she could do with it. I feel like that might be the best thing to do. Even though it's not the most it's not the nicest ace's package you know what I mean like. I wanted to put together like open. And you get to do all these things with it because you know it's the holiday season and maybe there's other folks out there who want to repurpose some hardware to send off with family I don't know I'm just trying to figure out what you just like schedule. Like like a video you chat in which they can open it like live and get the And then if they want to you could walk them through it then and there or make an appointment weightman for a time you do with them their calendar God. You're you're about to make a really terrible like Tech Heck Tech Behemoth Company Christmas Christmas Commercial where it's like because Google and apple all these other companies. They're not yet in those sort of space where they can do like those commercials. Where wow this is just like a really beautiful like minute? Long movie about Elton John McCain was way through his career and Starting off as a little kid who got a piano for his for Christmas from his parents. And Wow I don't even know like who this being advertised for apple these these companies. That will sort of do that but it has to be. Oh well you know it's Belinda. It's just so nice that we have the whole family together. And everyone is like an a group chat and someone's like on deployment somewhere and you know someone's in in prison or whatever you know and like. Oh we're what I'm you know I did I. My grandparents never got to see my children grow up because we were so Distributed across this wonderful country of ours and I thank goodness for Apple facetime and thank goodness that we shamed the last asked of our relatives at the selling their android phones so that we could all do it on the same face time because Lord knows apple has better things to do than to make their video chat software multi-platform. It is absurd to think about all the different ad campaigns that we're going to see come out this holiday season about the different like video chats and ways to connect with your family but at the same time I'm I'm like thinking about it actively I'm thinking about how to engage my husband's family in the mid West a little bit more because they're all iphone users servers and part of the reason. I was thinking about setting this thing up for my mom is so my mom is way. More Tech Savvy than I give her credit for My mom is not sh- it's she's not on the outskirts here like she knows what she's doing. She knows how to set stuff up. She's been an android accuser for a long time. which I really appreciate because the other half of my immediate family has gone apple so it's created like a weird like folks Foco humorous slash not really rift between the family? Just like okay but in all honesty I I had sent her off with a couple of different smart home things and she sets up and and then I hear from her immediately after she sets it up and she's like I'm loved these smart or lights who gave me they have all these colors like. Oh I love the Purple Light. Whatever this mood and I love the blue light when this mood and I really appreciate that because because the thing is eight genetically I can see how it take after my mother because I definitely feel the same way when I am embarking working on like some new piece of tech? I definitely I still get really excited when I got like a new strip of smart lights and I'm just like that's right. I can like sit of any color that I want and and I can do all of these things It's exciting or like when I gave her a camera and she's using it to spy on my brother. That was hilarious That's exactly why I see her with these things because it just like crazy soap opera moments that I get to laugh at so I was thinking I would use her as kind of a Guinea pig to figure out how to set up a smart speaker. I'm holding off on any smart displays and that's partly because selfishly don't want to give her any of the ones that I have because I like them. I like having little. TV's around the house is just basically what I use them for So so I don't know I have to talk to her about it on Thursday. If if y'all are interested I will update you. I am I just kind of curious. Really what I what I like about. These things is may and maybe this really depends on the family but just the idea of like dropping in. I also like the idea of well when I'm home Malone for instance or like you're in a big house and you just like you just need to hear the weather or something you could just Kinda shout out house talk to you like to see Channel Movie Movie Smart House which by the way streaming on Disney plus which is again why it was in the back of my mind but I've watched it a long time a long longtime ago Anyway so that's my rambling about I'm I'm planning conversations beforehand because I'm trying to have a relatively drama free Thanksgiving and so I'm yeah I'm trying to think about okay. What are some Lake Tech Center conversations? I can engage folk like I'm trying to steer away from any thing that might be. I'm I'm tired. It's been a really tiring year and so I'm just trying to think about like all the toys that I have in my vicinity not that I could like bring up at the dinner table and Kind of get feedback from people because also as a freelancer and as you know Andy. This is a great way to get content out of people. Use Your family members under no. We're we're in there. I if I I. I don't want encourage anybody to pursue a life of freelance journalism. Unless they feel that unless they feel that spiritual calling that you and I I have felt because the as with any lifelong pursuit its benefits are mostly spiritual and intangible however amongst the the nice things about it is that like like I like One a donor was Thanksgiving or Christmas. But I it was It's the time of year when you have to anticipate people dropping over or people saying hey I'm in the neighborhood you want to like get together for for coffee or something and ah the last thing I want to do is say no to somebody that I would love to hang out with because my my house is a mess so this this is the time of year where. I'm definitely totally ahead of schedule on my house cleaning which means that a lot of stuff that I've been sent unsolicited for review. Like are the things that have been like in boxes piling up are now like this is now in this big bag and I'm going to do something with them because I do not need a seventh eighth ninth tenth eleventh copy of the same like same. Chinese manufacturer May blue and so I will have the presents for So when I go to the family Thanksgiving or the family Christmas I'll have the presence there are actual presence. But then I'll have like when you're just for some reason I had like nineteen iphone cases so and it was like and it was like for for some of my nieces nephews. It was the best. It was the best Christmas ever like whenever I go out for them. That was nice but I got an uncle. Eddy brought like just like a hundred indeed. I phone cases. We could take whatever he wanted and he has iphone stands and was it was. So it's it's what I'm saying is that there's always a different sort of vibe Abe. Everybody's GonNa have a different sort of vibe turning them with their family Thanksgiving and Christmas love for for us. There is that sort of tech element I still I I still am. I lost my parents like nine or ten years ago and so off and I had a good relationship with them. Not Everybody does with their with their parents. But I I was I. I was fortunate enough to have a good relationship with them and I still remember my my favorite holiday story. If I kids there was feed the kids would be like Oh. Now's now's the time every time on Christmas Eve or Christmas after we open presents. Dad has to tell the story about the CR- about Grandma's Grandma's a holiday Christmas led lights where This was of course before Hong Home Automation but I had all these like x ten controllers. Those those little like Beige boxes boxes you plug into power outlets and use your home wiring to talk to each other and so I was I happily Inherited the task of decorating my parents House for Christmas where there were still again. There are still fine. They're still on the ball. It was a combination of like start. Start off with like dad. Needs some help getting the buying the tree and getting it to to well actually kind of enjoy like going out to the same tree live with my dad and I pick up like a half. A gallon of fresh silent was pressed right there that day. And then we'll spend the day and and I'll I'll climb the ladder so that Mama Dad don't earn the ladders and like taking orders from them and everything getting everything just right for them and I do. I actually get a little bit. That has no no. I was GONNA say a happy tingling in the back of my very very very pleasant memory so and my my parents it was one of those houses where they would have won unlike plastic candle in the in each window of the of the House. And of course you'd have to plug in like every single night and unplugged them every At the end of every single night and it was like a big box of extension cords that were pre kinder pre wired for like which ones would reach which place and by over the years. Here's I knew which ones would. No no no. That's not upstairs master bedroom. That's downstairs kitchen and pantry. I I remember that because I cut in that whatever and so when clearly relate to that exactly yeah so one year I had so many like extend controllers that I just and I know that mom was not technophobe. But she wasn't isn't she's not she wasn't she was the opposite. My Dad. My Dad was absolutely for anything. He was an engineer and he bought he bought our apple. We'll to e quote for the kids but it was really because right can't exactly basically only whoever used it so anyway so one year is it's like I I knew I knew this is going to be an experiment that it might fail. It might succeed so without asking. I just quietly plugged all of these things into these x ten controllers and made a special pre prepared like label on the on the remote and put it on. Put It on the table living room and after everything had been hope Imam Likud the last part of the decoration be walked through. Oh this is slow. That looked so nice. Let's look at the Sea of the SLEIGH. All sit up with. Oh that's and so again. I know I know I'm I'm taking a riskier and I say well you know I I set something up so that if you press this button all of the window lights will go on at the same time time and you don't have to go throughout the house or Yun dead and why oh goodness I said and at the end of the night if you press this the off is button. They'll all go off at the same time. So Oh my God. That's so wonderful. Oh that's nice and I and I had this other box waiting like Like like an intervention. Like the psychiatrist is like you. Make sure that everyone's at the Party and then you don't bring up the psychiatrist till you know that everybody is kind of cool and mellow. Oh I said actually if you really like it mom. They took this little box. I could set up this box so that it automatically turns on like it's sundown every day and automatically shuts off at eleven o'clock every night and that she didn't freak up. I could tell that that was the that was is the edge of her comfort level of having robots takeover her house where if she could push a button and order robots to add her command. Turn the lights on and off. That was wonderful four to trust a robot to not burn down the House that was That was the line that which is still have. I still have that fear by by the way with all the automation I have or I'm just like I don't know if I really like like. I have a lava lamp behind me and just like. I don't really know if I want that. Let's see it's it's hot enough to melt wax and Senate into fluid turbulence state exactly. I shouldn't keep it. DRUGSTORE LAVA LAMP to. It's not like a high quality high quality one here I that's that's a beautiful story. Andy I love. I love those stories. Because it's it's so oh this is my this is why we take this time at the beginning of the podcast alike. Just talk about things because I feel like you and I really relate on that stuff in terms of like with our families and just having those memories like just kind of studying our parents who are our generations before us and just like the yeah. It's just it's and also it's that time of year where you just Kinda like think about you. Know traditions. Going forward forward and home automation is going to a role in all traditions will end this stew with With an even warmer fuzzier story clear so A. I'm proud to say that I am responsible. aww For bringing several holiday innovations in to the family Thanksgiving one of them was I have the I can't post this because it's it's a personal photo but I have six my all my nieces and nephews my. My youngest niece is graduating high school this year. Most of them are now in their like like mid twenties. Somebody in the late twenties. Now I'm sort of dealing with the fact that God at some point I'm going to get an invitation to God daughter's wedding and I'm going to have to spend spend a long time crying so but I have my favorite favorite photo and a family photo that has always on. My Wall is a a- At that time only three or four of my nieces and nephews of my my entire inventory in their little three year old and four year old kid like holiday special. All here we're going to grandma's house for the big family of Christmas or we're going to get all dressed up and we're GONNA have our hair all cut huddled around my powerbook powerbook one hundred because I had set up a set a set it up with the IP address of the Norad. Santa Tracker. Oh which at that point was just. I think it was just just text. It was like an archie server or something this this was pre web I think and so it will just like update with like status tech status reports so there was no graphics no music no anything and it would be and I thought. Oh that'd be cute wait for them to sort of you know pass collide. I remember what it was like to be at Grandma's house and just desperate for enjoying being like with my cousins dozens and being with the family. But so ready for it to be tomorrow morning's back an open my presence and and it wasn't killing time was oh yeah keeps you up. We're saying where's Hannah and so and it was like. Oh goodness. Isn't that wonderful. So it's we we all we each figure out how we want to do a holiday including the option of not doing it get it all. It's totally up. It can be totally up to you and so it pleases me to know that of I think a lot of people really really get themselves and a lot of stress that they don't need to get into because Charles Dickens wrote a whole bunch of really cool stories and everyone's trying to Victorian Christmas Christmas ever since as opposed to know. You know it's okay to order Chinese takeout for like fourteen people and have the kids huddled around a laptop laptop and because it really is about If you have the kind of relationship in that family and again we're not saying anything is better than better or worse than anything else but if you have a relationship that is of that nature. It's great when you're in a situation where the family knows that it's really about the relationships about having coming together to have a great time as opposed to getting really really upset because you don't think the shrimp is going to be ready got. We're running out of someone used the. I bought a bag of ice down like the shrimp shrimp cocktails but they thought it was for like the ice chest. Now they don't have any ice for the and it's it's wonderful. It's a wonderful memory and fortunately again I happen to have had the sort of childhood where the positive memories are far outweigh the negative ones. Ah The negative ones informed me about how to have a much more pleasant holidays moving forward. I hope our listeners have a good holiday on that note But we have software podcast go. Shall we go to an ad Yeah Yeah let's go to an ad exactly. The holiday shopping season season boxing day and Black Friday. 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Like I the first the first time you get the first time I hear that the the the The Hershey's the Hershey kisses like bells agreeing. We wish you merry Christmas. That is that they do now. That is the thing that they do now. All the commercials have been recycled from the nineties. And so the M.'s. Commercials the same. One that was from the nineties I read I read the Santa Claus the hey does exist do exist. Yeah just this still makes two to three thousand dollars a year. Just based on the residuals for that. Wow Man I wish. Recruitment I don't I should have done some voice acting residual checks coming in gracious checks. What's ruined the good mood? Yeah so google clearly is still having problems with Both serve their relationships with Labor and the public public opinion of of them and their relationships with neighbor. The I have an entire act one labeled Google the union buster so we had a beautiful beautiful title by exactly exactly. They're they're not they have not hired Pinkerton men. Let's let's get that straight they have not hired Pinkerton men to swing cudgels amongst striking workers. So let's let's let's make sure we're not saying that those are lovely by the way you would love the orange fingernails. Thank you thank you. I'm sorry to say no it's okay. I'm developing picture picture and also delaying the Nasty News. Well listen to Andy sees me. Every week. He sees my nails on the Webcam and they've been broken and like Patchy Block for the last five weeks because of moving so I finally got my nails done anyway anyway. Okay so union so they had sort of a number one and two bad whammy Emme last week near times broke his story that Google had hired a firm that is known for helping huge companies. Not Unlike Google to do Interfere with and or defuse attempts on its employees to form unions. This firm by the name of I are it consultants. According to your article here appears to work frequently for hospitals and other healthcare organizations its website advertises quote Union Vulnerability Honor Ability Assessments Unquote. which sounds like one hell of a euphemism? That's a Lotta syllables. And and sorry returned to the quote here and boasts about our is success in helping a large national health care company persuade employees to avoid a union election. Despite the Union's quote wrote dedicating millions of dollars to their organizing campaigns unquote and that could that could be a little bit darker if they put the word persuade in In italics looks that would have been. Maybe maybe when the when maybe when this was dictated the PR company. The person on the fours making air quotes didn't realize that the airports weren't coming through. But yeah when you it's I did look a little bit. This was this news came out last week and I tried to look a little bit. Add never heard. Of course I are consultants. They they don't necessarily have necessarily good or a bad reputation they are. They're ex their experts. That will help you in any problem that you have particularly if you operate at scale L. and so of course there are experts at our our employees are talking about unionizing. This would be very inconvenient for us. We would like to dissuade them from making that happen. it it appears as though their tactics go really do range across the gamut from just here is why You're -PLOYEES are angry with you. And how to address their concerns all the way to while here are some policies that you're having such as holding open meetings every other week with the CEOS does in which employees are allowed to air grievances in front of all the other employees. In shortly after they hired this consultancy firm coincidentally Google decided to change their whole town hall format and maybe bad timing maybe again. Correlation is not necessarily causation. But this leads into into The firing of four Google Employees This is according to the verge Reporting incorporating reporting from Bloomberg according to the Verge Employees Rebecca rivers and Lawrenceburg Berlanga. Were fired on Monday. The key the after being suspended did the charged with a t accessing sensitive documents and data that they should not have as well as employees calendars according to vox of rivers. I helped put together a petition against Google's burke for US immigration informed city and format agency the Customs and Border Patrol. Burland was involved. I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing crossing your name Lawrence Berlin was involved with employees protests about hate speech policies on Youtube rivers. gave a comment. Vox I'm quoting Her here I'm proud of what I did and I believe everyone has a right to know what their work is being used for Instead of listening to me or thousands of my coworkers coworkers. Google has punished me by putting me on administrative leave. Berlanga said Quote this is not really about made who said Burland. Who recounted being questioned for two and a half hours by Google's investigations team during which he said he wasn't allowed to bring a colleague for support? Take notes or use. The restroom from Berlin said he was asked to name colleagues which supported him and were involved in organizing efforts quote. It's not about Rebecca. It's about us all of us. The open culture we built and treasure together. If they can do this to me they can do this to anyone unquote said Berlanga quote. What is what is Google? Without our culture culture in response Google Re released a memo to employees entitled quote securing our data Saying that There it was Addressing what they call his miss information about the purported wrongdoing saying it involved quote systematic searches for other employees materials and work unquote. And that's what they said Their defenders say that what they did the Google calendar Google docs. We're looking at the wasn't against company policy at all that the company culture was that please by all means look at other people's work looking at projects that have nothing to do with you because We are an open campus in that way. Shortly after apparently Google hired. Ira Consultants They changed that policy. To sort of tighten up what's materials materials that employees have access to however Again people defending the people who were fired. claim that this new role is just so completely vague. That you could you could apply it arbitrarily against anybody that you just want to get rid of sort of the the the the police equivalent of pulling someone over because because they thought they have tinted windows. That were too dark. You're basically giving them a licensed to. Here's the reason why we're firing you. We've decided that the reason is this The Google walkout account on medium which is has been promoted from my bookmarks menu into the bookmarks bar. Because almost always worth checking out underscores all this and also was talking about a protest that They that was organized. Last Friday dot two hundred people including Google Google employees Protests in front of Google offices in San Francisco two of the do the people who organized that protests were also Let go oh and there that the social media according to one report is calling them the Thanksgiving four but these are people who no longer work for Google. They have been fired for reasons that seemed to be really really really quite thrifty at best. What Yeah Wolf? I've been watching this unfold mostly on twitter through folks that I follow who are covering the news at large and of course I do follow the Tech Workers Coalition on twitter to just kind of like stay informed about What's what's going down in Silicon Valley not not good optics Bob and really I have to say messy to do it right before the holidays because it's it's messy but it's also so I guess I wonder if it was done because the holidays are coming up and so the idea is that it will kind of get lost in the author of like what people are worrying about kind of thing you know what I mean like the the What's it called the momentum? Maybe won't be as intense because people are just just really into their personal lives right now versus what's going on but this is just we talk a lot about Google Google on this podcast and I have. I told Andy before we started recording. The show that I don't have anything particularly poignant to say about this just assed that this is part of again and I but I have said this before which is that. This is just part of a larger movement. That's happening in Silicon Valley The this is part of a US wide maybe maybe maybe US wide move move to just kind of bring more awareness to the fact that union jobs can exist outside of the normal factory or as you mentioned the hospital hostile thing is a big one Hospitals around here. Barry are always striking for better working conditions. So that's I'm constantly meeting people who work at the hospitals or like super tired because of You know they're understaffed and things like that. So Oh it's it'll be an interesting. It'll be an interesting journey into twenty twenty to see house continues the unfold now this fervor started in late two thousand eighteen and we're now entering the end of twenty nine thousand nine hundred so this is what happened in just a year here. Google employees had protests last week on Friday in San Francisco Made headlines around here so we're kind. I'm just watching it at this point and we're letting you know about it so that you're informed because you know it's not the sexiest news to share on like gadget blogs I mean it's it's it's intricate. It's an intricate kind of situation versus like like. Hey check out this new shiny thing but it's important to remember that beyond the shiny things. There are a lot of employees behind Behind their desks asks who are thinking and talking about this internally And I again I have said this. Before as a fan of Google I would love to just see some some precedent setting from them. You know I like the like how like the way. I'm sorry I just wanted to add like the way that I am proud to shop up at Costco because you know they. They treat their employees really well. They pay them really well. Half of their departments are unionized. It's its workers are owned like these are all things that I take pride in as a consumer and so I would love to see that kind of trickle over to Silicon Valley. Yeah I don't see why it shouldn't but again yeah. It's I think that I almost think that everyone's responsibility to be more concerned about an educated educated about about Labor in America that There really has been a lot of movement particularly in the past past ten years as more jobs. Get automated out of existence That it's not just when it's not just the idea of when you have when a company has available to itself a a way to do a job more efficiently more safely and less expensively when they can do this with automation and lose part of their workforce. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Because what are you gonNA do. Are you going to legislate that. No no you're not allowed to. You're not allowed to have your warehouse. Workers use pal attracts. You have to if there are four hundred boxes you have to have four hundred people lifting one box each and I'm I'm being ridiculous but that's what I'm talking about. How do you legislate Human power on the other hand in in addition to the V very very rational argument that unfortunately there is technology. Here that can do things better than humans. And if and if that means that someone who can't someone who desperately needs to cut a budget for their kids clothing or food by five or ten percent if it allows a product to be sold for that important five or ten percent less that does help humanity the one of the I think one of the side effects though is to cause a corporation particularly the larger ones where you don't don't have to cross the cross through the warehouse to get to the offices you don't have to. People don't eat in a common dining area to basically think of labor as like electricity like sewage. Like like it's just a number on a spreadsheet that you can minimize and this is something that I'm very concerned with Amazon is on that they treat their warehouse workers really as though they are just simply Beta testing procedures that robots are going to be taking over in five or ten years. And that's just horrible. It makes me feel it makes me feel very very guilty for being such a prominent Amazon user unfortunately. I'm I have have to accept my hypocrisy here because I hate the way that these employees are being treated however there are times where I just need to get a steam iron and I don't have time to go out and shop for a steam iron and get the steam iron. That's only available at my local Walmart. which is not trading at its workers any better than a warehouse workers however however we need to be aware of how workers get treated? And I'm totally with you. There's a there's a New England so obviously stop and shop as as part of my lifestyle since I was a kid But there's also a local chain of like four or five grocery stores in my state that I notice that the They they they cost a little bit more but I can afford to pay a little bit more. I'm again I'M A. I'm a freelance journalist. I'm not exactly rolling in it but I I'm willing willing to pay more to shop at this place partly because there are no automated. checkouts there are peop- hire people to work at every single checkout stand and I see people now. I've been living here for ten years other people that I know that have been working there for ten years. Not because they can't get work anywhere else but because this is the residue of they feel as though they're being treated well they feel as though they're being paid fairly and the benefits are good enough to keep them there and this makes me. This is the sort of thing that I vote with my pocketbook on and I feel as though that in the example of Costco Osco that treating workers well with respect and dignity is not incompatible and not incompatible with operating huge business at scale and operating profitably so this is why this is why stories like this. Make it into the show notes whenever they whenever they They raised their periscope over the into into into into prominence. Because it is something we need to we. Don't we don't have to hate Google. We don't need to ban Google or aboard we will we just simply have to be aware that this is part of the calculus that results in getting a really cool phone or a really good operating system or even wastebaskets being emptied at Google quarters I feel like that's a really good That one Andy I feel like you are next. Our next act will be hopeful. Okay but I had. This episode is brought to you by node whistle. 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Now that I don't think they make that product anymore but someone should be able to license that to just simply say you know swiffer swiffer mops and brushes we have nothing to do with shavers but we love this commercial when we were kids and we want you to enjoy it too swiffer. We don't make razors we make up. We're make those mobs with those disposable heads L. Work. Guess what I'm going to be doing tomorrow folksy. We're doing this on a Tuesday tomorrow's Wednesday. I'M GONNA be sliver in my floors okay. You're seeing your in that horrible grin that horrible position where you're in a new house so that you know. How are you know how floor how clean the floors were to begin again with an like? Fortunately I'm like the the end of year two or three here which means that the whole not that the so the the the floors were like Reuven Chorus bare walls blur bare floors bear. Everything and cleaning crew had like polished the floors. But now it's it's as dull as it would be if someone simply Lee sweeped and vacuum then like dropped every couple of weeks so I don't have the kind of pressure de thousands not as clean as you think we did not hire a cleaning crew before moving in. Let's say me and my husband have been doing. Listen we're middle-class folk. Okay I don't have and this is a big house. It's cost a lot of money to send it a cleaning crew We had the The mopping adventurer two weeks ago. That was fun. That was fun chemically smell and it's amazing how disgusting grout gets spin but anyway I know the listeners might have this fantasy that we're living these lifestyles where every one of those like electric shoe polishers were like one side black. The other one is read. We're not no no we don't what have we don't we don't we didn't grow up electric shoe polishers. We're we were you know but let's believe me from Let's let's let's be. Let's Sir Tell Plop on a story that has optimistic hopeful for the future that rather than simply giving up and slipping into the abyss. Let's try to introduce more light into into a dark increasingly darkening world We're in a burners lead the adventure the inventor of the of the Web Long with another consortium created a nine point quote contract for the web which is sort of like of a ten commandments. Only nine of to them. I'm kind of disappointed that it's not a by not a top a power of two so you couldn't just simply say to the power four whatever but that's that's okay It's it's actually pretty cool and they're nine points to it Three points each for addressed to governments to companies and to individuals citizens. They're worth going through or at least mentioning. Governments are encouraged to ensure everyone can connect to the Internet to keep all of the Internet available all the time verd- respect back and protect people's fundamental online privacy and data writes Companies are are urged to make the Internet affordable and accessible to everyone respect and protect people's privacy and personal data to build online trust and third developed technologies that support the best in humanity and challenge the worst I finally citizens we are each individually Encouraged to be creators and collaborators on the web build strong communities that respect civil discourse on human dignity and third fight for the web and this has been signed by the CO signers of this and you can worse if you go to the official website which is contract for the web dot. Org You can sign up and be a cosigner to this as well but The logos on this page dozens and dozens and dozens of them including including Google and facebook and Microsoft and twitter and the Electronic Frontier Foundation and And Duck duck go apple. I wonder why but I'm sure they'll look at it cans. Yeah exactly. How will this helpless cell phones at forty no no? That's that's mean-spirited that's incorrect back. But yeah and if if you want to be balanced about this you can say well. There's they're putting up a billion dollars against their against their support of this. There's not there's no skin in the game. There's a little bit of skin in the game in that. The foundation says that they don't you. Don't just get to put slap your logo on this. If we decide if you do something that is absolutely against developing against making the Internet affordable an exit row. We will not only strip. Take Your logo off off. We will also tell everybody that we've decided to take your logo off and why so it is There's a little bit of skin in the game but if any if nothing nothing else I don't think this is nothing will here is a common nucleus of ideas for us all to gather around and discuss and all of them are things things that over the past couple of years have got me at certain points incensed and wanting to be more active and more concerned about this Internet eh particularly in starting off with governments that keeping ever keeping all the Internet available all the time and respect and protect people's fundamental mental online privacy and data rates. We are seeing so many different countries that have decided that well we're going to create our own private Internet so that we can turn the whole damn thing off if we have to either like as in Iran I think the last week and say they decide simply said the only way we can contain saying this is by being sure no one can talk to anybody can organize with each other and so therefore we're not even firewall services. Were just shutting the whole damn thing down to Russia which wants to it just thinking about that wants to create essentially their own private Russian Internet with connections to the main internet which it it's it's incredibly scary and I. It feels a little bit like what it was like. When you've read that oh by the way Hey They're building a wall in Berlin. So that people in East Berlin can't freely go to the West and so that a Granted this is not an Not a situation where people are being shot for trying to get outside to the Internet nonetheless. It is a managed it is a way for AH oppressive regime to tighten their grip on a society that is having their rights taken away wholesale in small and enlarged chunks and frankly if the Internet we had been thing during the nineteen sixties we would we would have been talking about a digital Berlin Wall okay. That's really what they would have been more concerned about And all the way down to citizens where it's we it's our response. We companies have responsibility to make sure that the technology analogy that they're developing are being used to promote hate speech but there are being allowed to to At least permit discussion. Rational and and insane discussion about even super controversial topics all the same. It's not just enough for us to make our Make our little placard signs and take a Friday afternoon off in March. We're also responsible for someone's things as little as I'm on twitter and someone has said something incredibly stupid and I really want to even call out. How stupid this thing is and then real end but taking a step back and saying how many followers does this twitter account have three? How many times has this account count posted seventeen? Why was I even able to read this? While because they were obnoxious they add the they add included me so I would see it if I were to reply to this. A A. We're talking about releasing negatively into the world. But also we're not we're not We're basically amplifying this person signal as opposed to speaking truth to power and so we have to be careful about how we individually use this thing so I I again as a platform of talking about really important certain things that are going to affect us and our children our grandchildren and our great grandchildren i. I'm glad that this thing is taken off and I hope that it becomes let just as we keep talking about the bill of rights even as as we modify and amend them and discuss what each speech means and when we can tap town at least we know that erase the First Amendment to the constitution. This is what we're talking about. Here's the here's the center that we're orbiting around when we discussed this and we agree. We agree this principle is important. We're not saying we should not. We should be doing without this principle. We're just saying we're just disagreeing on how we should implement it. Yeah I have to think about. I actually have like a full bookmark of reading aid. Catch up on like there. Is this article that keeps coming through with the headline. I invented the Internet. Here's how we can save it or fix it or something It's like at the top hop of my bookmarks of things that I need to read. I'm trying to figure out how to like put it together kind of in Layman's terms to explain to people it's like I'm not just saying in this. Because it's like my job to do this to distill down all of these Incredibly intricate things to kind of everybody but he also just you know I learned through having conversations with people about I. The marketing thing like how. Oh Marketing online marketing happens and like why you should care if your data is being sold to third parties trying trying to explain to people why it's important that there is a little more. I'm trying I'm trying to. Ah I'm saying a lot because my brain is the source right now. This was looking through. The Internet is is a social thread that weaves through all our lives now so there needs to be a little more uniformity to it. I think I think it was fine to be as chaotic as it used. Nice to be back in the day because it wasn't as impact full. I mean it was certainly. It's early impacted humanity to what it like brought us but but now that it's done it's impact like what is the aftermath of that and so we have to definitely look at that and even though like Google has a stake in the game right skin in the game even though the companies are doing this to kind of like a safe as in some cases and looking at you facebook Or you know just because it benefits them in some way overall. It's it's kind of good to know that this is the part of a more popular conversation. That's happening so again. Twenty twenty is going to be an interesting year. I think for TAC Jack. started to bubble And you know I. I am of the belief that after the twenty sixteen election channel. A lot of things just really came to a head here in the US so If anybody any of our international folks by the way listening in have anything to weigh okay and on this just based on what has happened locally to them. We'd love to hear from you on twitter amateur podcast or you can tag and Eli. I'm Oh that flow. Andy is nocco just smell his last name we we like to hear your perspectives on how your government is handling Internet freedom. Yeah we have. It's it's and again. This is another one of those wonderful topics. We'd go on for another hour about. Its there's a- as I as I keep reminding myself we in America at least the United States we owe a lot to the people who founded this country entry in that we simply understand that there is no state sanctioned religion we simply understand that the government can't simply say see that we need to have a license to print a newspaper. You need to have a permit. In order to make a public opinion of even the idea of it it is not that individuals have a some kind of a right to have weaponry of their own. These are all basic decisions. Visions that they made that is not. That aren't present in all in all countries and they're good things about each of these and bad things about these companies the countries but the fact that they with these released defined as important principles that you cannot these are third rails you cannot simply throw these things away We could again we could have. You've gone on without these things but we do have them and this is one of those things that we have a responsibility to future generations to make sure that each generation that's being raised up understands that for instance. Having secrets from the government is something that is simply are right that being able to if ah two or three hundred years ago the idea of we should have a right to have a gun because we need to defend our property not only from people who want to hurt us but in case the government permit wants to say you know this freedom and democracy thing was good experiment. But it's not working out for us. We were much rather be king for life. We have the opportunity to make the same sort of statement about encryption saying that we don't I don't care about we're willing to accept that Allowing each individual to to encrypt their data and maintain secrets from our government is going to make it easier for bad people to do bad things to good people however we think that the basic principle civilised so important that you have to. We have to assume that this is a basic right. And if you want to wear that right down you have to ask for specific exemption and then we have have to discuss and vote on it so again. It's I I have heard some think pieces about saying Oh God another great another feel good. Let's all sing acoustic guitar folk songs around on the around the giving tree about this but again we have to talk talk. Talk talk this part of the culture and is not going to become a principal unless we all discuss it and and to your point exactly right I think that one of the things that are made the technology flourish the way that it has. I don't think that it's a good idea to to proactively regulate against a problem that doesn't exist that you really do have to wait to see what the shape of a problem is before you can decide what the right solution to it is so this is now yeah. You're absolutely right. This is going to be. We're we're now in a period where we can see enough of the landscape in front of us that we can see with a pothole czar and we can see the open garbage fires are and we know that we knew we want to solve this problem. This problem this problem so now. It's time to start regulating We're not gonNA route one hundred years ago. It was okay to simply say say. Don't industry hire whoever whoever you want to work at your meat. Plant cell will meet in any state you want stat at any state of state of decay freshness. You want and don't even have to track where it came from. Then we said okay their the children who are working in slaughterhouses and there are a lot of people who are getting killed because of tainted meat and corrupted meat so now we know we know we need to know exactly exactly but now we know to fix this this and this so only indeed. Now we're going to go the complete do commercial now because the rest of the show is yeah please clean sleep. Happy happy joy joy. This episode of material is brought to you. By Kensington. The people who make universal docking stations nations that are designed to increase productivity. You can get access to more imports and make your sleep Mac book chromebook or other laptop just as powerful as a desktop. Yep It's plug and play with no drivers. She can enjoy up to dual four K. displays with HDMI and displaying video connectors plus USB through Renault U. S. B. 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I still still haven't figured out whether I need whether I absolutely have to see a Charlie Brown thanksgiving and a Charlie Brown Christmas however. I don't know whether I need to to whether I would rather wait. Fritz regular airtime and make that a special event in a special night or the fact that I have like ripped blu rays of both of them to my home server and scheduling urban airtight. You WanNa do it live with everybody else. I mean this is why I pay okay. I live in like in my husband makes really why do we need live. TV and because it makes me feel part of something. Okay because we were caveman. I and cave women. We gather around a campfire and and real and yes. The the mass media is garbage fire. But it's also the the the Caveman Cave Person Campfire that it's it's it's lovely when I simply not for anybody's pleasure but my own started live tweeting Charlie Brown thanksgiving again now. The one hundred people who are like I'm watching too. Oh that's on now opium watching and what you now. So yes. So there's things that unite us and again having popcorn and pretzel rods and Jelly beans for it. Sounds great and you to go get some tomorrow actually. Because you know we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA be catching up watchmen this week as soon as the holiday is over ourselves. We need to have the snacks in Yup. I Made I made the mistake of watching the crown two days ago. And and I I had A. I had it flagged I said. Don't watch episode one even though Netflix keeps asking you to. Because you know that as soon as you watch episode one. You're you're you're dead for nine nine hours straight and you're going to enjoy it but you're going to be what's their faces in this season rights like anyway so so to find out find something else to like. Because I'm not into football. I'll watch something else on Thursday but yeah so let's let's let's move on a couple of a couple of quick hits and some black Friday like let's be consumers sort of things so stadia gates have been thinking about signing up for stadia and of course the exactly. Yeah it hit wide. Roll out a couple of weeks ago. Reviews have been mixed I'm not going to get into that because as a game really not qualified to talk about it however Nine to five Google and others pointing out. Actually most of the reviewers have been pointing out that Google promised for case sixty frames per second streaming if you have good enough internet and and of course we'll golly they're journalists and they're going to test those sorts of things and they're finding out The verge for instance they spoke to bungie developers of destiny to which is one one of their One of the the the keynote games of this release and Bungy confirmed that stadium version of the game isn't the same fourcade version as on other platforms. I'm quoting here. Rather destiny to on stadia renders at ten eighty P and his upscale to improve the quality so destined to currently never plays in four K.. On Stadia Datya Euro Gamer confirmed that red dead redemption to streams at fourteen forty K.. And is also up scaled by the chrome cast ultra Google replied applied to ninety five Google. Saying that the quote Developers Making Stadium Games work hard to deliver the best streaming experience for every game like you see on all platforms. This includes a variety you've techniques to achieve the best overall quality we give developers the freedom of how to achieve the best image quality and frame rate on stadia and we are impressed with what they have been able to to achieve for day one so it sounds as though I don't I don't think that any hoodwink is going on. I think that developers are simply saying. Here's here's the so four K.. Is Not necessarily the best experience sometimes. It's not even really perceptible and they're saying here is what the here's the hardware. The delivery platform that we have here is the best experience being deliver. However think? Google definitely should not have underscored over going four K.. Sixty frames per second is for second they should. They should have made it really clear that if the if this were a hardware box then you would look at the hardware chips that are creating celebrated video and say oh well this is capable of forecast sixty frames per second. That doesn't mean that all games will scream that way but that pretty hard. Yeah plus I mean. There's there's a piece of consoles ha ha there's PC rigs There's graphic cards that you know. Say They can do four K.. There's gaming laptops as say they can do for K.. But like most of the time people are not really pumping them all all the way up to that high resolution and so for Google to kind of to add it as a as a marketing ploy is Kinda do really mad but I get it. I get that they did it to kind of entice people toward it and say look. You don't have to have all of this fancy hardware on your home to get this kind of Quality Gaming but quality of it's not four K. and regardless I'm not it he had made a sound at the beginning of this I ah I have a PC. I have an Nintendo switch. I don't really doesn't really fit in my diagram of anything that I need. So Oh it's GonNa take a lot more for me to kind of find stadium enticing And everybody keeps asking me like what is the point. Who is this four? And I'm like yeah. It's a little bit mysterious to me because I would imagine that is kind of targeted at someone like me who it's I'm I was surprised a few years ago to discover exactly how many people in the gaming community or people who don't actually play the Games they just just watch the streams and certainly in that category IV when Red Dead Redemption came out for though. Excuse me does our twitches for right now I. I watched stuff on Youtube like when I found out about this. Just how beautiful like the design of Red Dead Redemption to and then there's video saying oh there's a ghost somewhere in the swamp and we don't know what the story is and like Botha's kind of Oh that's incredibly creepy and incredible now. I'm watching NBA Two K.. Twenty there's this person who is has a son who I I don't have the the user account name but essentially posting videos as though we are actually watching a you knew and new newly drafted forward for the From the walkie box from the Philippines and number for one. I'm just enjoying the animation just as a Gig saying Oh my God. It's like if I there's very few tells that this is and then you're kind of getting interested like wow I've never I've have. It's it's actually hooking into like my regular sports watching story a receiving thing. Wow I don't think I've ever seen I I don't think I've ever since I've ever seen an NBA. Who's from the Philippines? That's really what's the guy's name number two okay. I'm going to follow his career Andy. He's not a real player. He's still but yeah so so I would think that stadium is aimed at someone like me. Who might if I could if I could start playing red dead redemption for sixty dollars just buying the game without without having to buy an entire platform to go with it? Not Knowing if I'm going to want to do anything after this game. That could be interesting. And maybe I wouldn't even care that Sohn's it's an impressive Frame rate and it's impressive. Cinema cinematic experience. I think that it was important to make sure that the the people who are going to be initially writing about it however however aren't going to be people like me casual gamers it's going to be journalists. Who specialize in the game space or going to say? Well here's here's how badly streaming game platforms have been in the past and they dropped frames and you can't do competitive mode so they need to make sure that they were that Google was really saying. Here's what the platform is capable. Typical of early early on so I now I Tall that point of hey this is intended for me. I'm still having a hard time justifying sixty fifty dollars to spend on a game not that and I against my usual like middle aged persons like I have sixty dollars to spend but for sixty dollars. There's I could hear all the things that I could buy. That would maybe give me more than two weeks worth of entertainment so look maybe next year when we have more titles built in I could have certainly seen if the only way to play cup. Head was either by a three hundred dollar game console or buy it for forty dollars And buy it while already have a controller so And do it on Stadia. I love those videos so much that yes I was. I was going to be willing to pay that to try it on on stadium now. I have something here that I just paste it in. Because I'll be honest it's been on and off the show notes several times in the past couple of days. Ed Yeah because I've read a little bit more about it. I dear listeners. We I was. We were literally talking about this ten minutes before and I said exactly exactly what I just said to us live. There's this other story but I don't think we should do it because it's very very vague and then i read another something else. So let's just tell you what the story is Ambient mode is something. The thing that Google showed off a couple months ago in September the idea is to if you have an android device you have your phone. And it's plugged into power. It will turn these. It will turn off the screen it will turn into into ambient display and Google keeps talking about next interesting comments about how it can be a new mode owed computing they. Google released a video and this is what kind of triggered things off this week. This is the only comment that Google has made about this. So far about this new ambient ambient mode setting they get no blockposts. No nothing like that. Just this video Google assistant product manager Arvin Chandrababu. Who says that? The new screen is about quote moving from an APP based way of doing things to an intent based way of doing things right now users can do most things for their smartphone but requires quite a bit of mental bandwith to figure out. Hey I need to accomplish this task. Let me backtrack and figure out what all the steps are. I need to do So that's an interesting idea that you'll have As your phone is on its wireless charger or whatever it's telling you by the way there's been a delay on the red line so it's GonNa take an extra half hour to get where you need to go to your appointment. That's in. That's in four hours. That would be pretty cool Things that being proactive about notifications telling you things that you probably need to know before you ask for it The weird the thing though is that on the one hand article say that ambient mode. We'll be rolling out to the majority of users starting next week Across the the following android devices including Sony experience phones Nokia phones transient phones. Show me phones as well. The Novo Smart Tab m eight HD Lenovo Yoga Yoga's Smart Tab when you pat pop out it's handy kick standard is coming to us via our as technica this coating from but it's not mentioning like actual pixel phone which is weird and it's also not specifying all specifies. Is that the phones phones. Excuse me devices. Need to be running at eight point one or newer so styled so you need to have the latest android ten or any specific hardware The latest version of Google search APP. So it looks like when you get it will be via an update to Google search. Play store our says that if you have one of these rare devices you can enable the feature by opening the Google Search APP tapping on more than settings than Google Assistant. Then the assistant tab then scroll down to phone under assistant devices then scroll down and find the ambient mode check box. How could it possibly be any easier So like I said isn't isn't that weird 'cause it seems like a really useful feature but it's almost like we're not going to tell you who's going to get it. We're not gonNa tell you what phones are going to get it and we're not gonNA make it easy for you to turn on your certainly not going to discover it on your own so it seems like something that the sort of snuck out in the couple of days before Thanksgiving knows looking as opposed to hear something we were working on. We think is really important. Maybe there's a reason for that. It's screwed yeah. I didn't. I mean the experience mentioning of experience the first besides the Charlie. Charlie's angels movies that movie that I saw a couple of weeks ago. which by the way have like Sony products everywhere? which unlike like what Sony Haven't really heard much about Sony. So I mean maybe it's a battery thing well no battery. The army spokesman plugged in. Oh right it's not also be concerned about screen burn but I don't know if it's Uh well we'll we'll we'll I just wanted. We'll just put this on your radar dear listeners. Exactly don't know we will follow up. This turns out to be an actual thing and not just doing like me. M- research for US release a video. How much play will we get? And who will people will hear about this exactly but but Act So let let. Let's mind though by talking about Crass consumers we are we are in the now black Friday which starts A week before her her no two weeks before. Maybe the day after Thanksgiving We do a last week. talked about how the Google store may put up some teasers about some deals that are having one which was super mysterious. They're saying that AIDS like six hundred seven hundred dollars discount on a Google on Pixel Book Pixel slate computers and the discounted from one thousand fifty seven dollars and ninety nine cents. which had me to Sing I? Let's let's get off off the all calculator. Let's perfect number right. What could it possibly be and so turns? The solution is that it. Isn't we speculated it could be abundant. It wasn't easy to bundle handle So the the specifically of thousand fifty seven dollar value down to five hundred fifty dollars is for the base level Pixel slight. That's currently on the price list. So you get the The eight GIG AAC Gigabyte of memory I think the sixty four gigabytes of storage The Intel I am processor But you also get a Google Pixel pen with all the pressure support and your choice of either these slate keyboard or or that really cool like mechanical one turns it into sort of a laptop sort of thing and at four hundred fifty dollars for that kind of a package. That's not bad that kind of I think I thought that that I the thing I have to be very where of during Black Friday is that there's the lizard part of my brain. That's that's actually pretty. ooh I have. I have three hundred four hundred fifty dollars and I know I have a google. I could use Eddie no no. You can't so but it's still if someone who's sort of in the market that's worth considering because that's not that's not a crummy crummy version of the slate. I think that if you're spending more than three or four hundred dollars for a pixel book you kind of want an I five or an I seven to get the most bang for your buck even though you're not even if you're not running accepts the fact that you're running a browser with lots of probably with lots and lots of tabs you'll have a much happier experience if you have lots of application memory oriented good powerful processor but that's not bad. Yeah I agree. It's going to be. I don't know it's going to be hard for me not to spend money on stuff that I don't need exactly just because it'll be like oh that sounds like a great deal but like listen. I striking suffers at up and I can't offer very very much this year because I just bought a new house. So stocking stuffers are what you're all getting and there's so many of you so buckle up kids because it's stickers and pains for everyone this year that's all that's all we got an also. I need to buy new door sensors for my nest secure which is just like why are they. Four dollars apiece But anyway obstacle stick kitties from aunt. Flo Yes absolutely. Thank you see made from your your own hands. Sure Oh that's right and it's funny. You say that because I have popsicles in the freezer means three sticks extra glue. I need so and you know if budget is that I still have like a whole bunch of googly eyes. Stick on. Gooey is leftover from a like back in like October or September Like I left the House at eight for a meeting in the city. Didn't come back until nine in the in the evening and in the interim again very touristy square sort of places New England fishing villages go and so like there it'd been like harvests like bundles of like corn and stuff like tied every every Every lamppost and the evil title or the the the the the Dennis the menace part of my brain said I should like you know what gook sick on Google ers are a really really cheap. Somebody should in the middle of the night stick googly eyes on almost all of those dried corn stalks and people wouldn't notice until they noticed that advice. So if you need googly eyes I still have like at least one hundred sets Guli is lifting. Honestly I have a bunch. Okay so I am a crafter. Then I will support support you in spirit if not in googlies up see. I'm with the the only so I didn't. I didn't come even close to buying that. I came closer served to buying obviously the worst crow. What has to be the worst chromebook ever made? Yeah it's been going around like if and this is a word people about this because black Friday is full of. Were trying to get rid of crap that we don't want our inventory anymore sometimes. It's here's let's two years old. Or here's the revision a before we fix the problem with vision and Yeah I take back crap but or or or sometimes. It's like a company like Samsung. They are manufacturing powerhouse. They have the ability to just. We don't want it's it's it's four thirty On a Thursday and we wanna take a long weekend. Sarah decided how much Ram and storage to put into this model of chromebook will simply like Christmas. Mistreat the entire chart and we will put we will have we'll have part of manufacturing run a two gigabytes of Ram and three two gigabytes of storage with like the weakest processor that still uses metal as opposed to vacuum tubes and this was so I think it was best buy was selling the Samsung with exactly those specs for eighty nine dollars down from one hundred fifteen hundred sixty and that was cheap enough that as a freelance journalist. I'm thinking I Kinda WanNa see how bad I see how Batta chromebook possibly I think this would be definitively how bad a chromebook could be and I will write about it and I will either get paid for it or will be content. That people will enjoy reading and well worth eighty nine dollars out the window. I still I. I can't imagine sold out so I probably will still have a few days to think about that on the other side of the The other side of the fence someth- something that's sexy pretty good. I think it was another best. Buy Deal Hewlett Packard the HP chromebook X.. Three sixty down to three hundred forty nine bucks. That's a two hundred and fifty dollar discount best buy. That's the model fourteen dash. Da Zero Zero Eleven. X X Corps. I three decor CPU but still in the In the core lines at the bottom. It's still good aching ceram. Which is what you want ten eighty P he screen? which is the minimum? You want sing for gigs of storage. which is again the minimum what you want backlit keyboard which you wouldn't expect to get a at a lower price three hundred sixty degree three hints? who gets that cool yoga stuff? USB See USB headphones and a micro SD slot not that and promising fourteen hours of battery life so cut cut that in half just in case of seven hours. That's pretty good that's That's three hundred forty. Nine I think is the starting price for if you're buying your our own chromebook you're not having one issue to you by your establishment and you want to be able to do actual stuff was it exactly and also also established man really anyway. But but yeah no if I if I'm I'm still following the apple horrible keyboard back macbook situation closely. The new keyboard for the new sixteen inch back looks better but it did attract my attention. Because I was I did get the whole thing did get let me thinking about well. WHAT IF WE I? I've always had a really the My my central computer oats has always been a super super powerful macbook pro. What if I shifted a to having a super powerful desktop Mac and then I was free to buy whatever laptop I wanted whether it's windows chrome whatever and part of the solution was it's it's it's is not about being a cheap? Speak up being thrifty. That if I have two thousand Usually S I'll spend about two thousand twelve hundred dollars on a new book every two or three years. But if I have that kind of a budget how would I distribute that twenty two hundred dollars to solve the same problem where it's twenty twenty and I need a power. I needed the ability to do photoshop up in some video editing but also need a good thing to write on and one of the solutions might have been well even get like a really almost a a close to being maxed doubt Mac mini plus. If I get a good deal on a on a chromebook like that that would be certainly a possibility so definitely worth taking a look eh like like you said flow. It's the where they get. You is the same like Las Vegas. Just keep them in front of slot machine turn off their brains. Just keep them putting money in and pulling the handle it so I have I personally love Vegas by the way. There's a reason why that circuitry is still hooked up in our brains because it's still so fun to be there anyway. We'll talk about that and another but yeah so it's it's you can make you can make a good A good book on On Black Friday deals. But that's why it's a good idea when you're maybe even maybe like if you if you go to if if you go to church while you're in while you're at mass and the homily is going on a little bit too long. Just make notes on here things that I actually need where like by my suv cooker. kind of like like Pakistan kind of unreliable so I'm kind of a and there's usually good deals on V cookers. I always need more storage. There's a great deal on a half terabyte A Samsung Yvo which is the good SSD. So I bought one of those. Because it's always it's always. It's always a good idea to have one of those in the box in the closet. Waiting needs needs to like by Ram another thing I can buy for Black Friday. SD exactly but see my. My problem is when wow a high a a protective mask for highlight players. All it's only twenty eight dot. Wow I had no idea that a mask with face mask that could protect you against highlight would only cause did you get over. It says eight minutes eight minutes and ninety percent sold out. I can return and if I don't want that's that's where you you have the hangover of like ups giving the steamy eyeball saying here's another frequent box for you. You stupid American the Rat Brett Brain type consumer. Hey we're all just doing our best by avoiding bad black Friday. Well well if any of you out there make some bad purchases. Please let us know because we would love to call you. We will share each other's pain. Exactly we are all human burden in life precisely so. I think I'll do it for this week. I thanks sound so I like to imagine people like in the car ride or took a plane ride Listening to US hopefully a lot. Thank you there there. There are a lot of the podcast that I kind of have that sort of. I've never met them. I don't know them but it's like okay. I'm I'm listening to Andy and John with my friends. This is going to be really really really tense. Because I I we're going to at the first thing is like a huge family thing with people haven't seen for a couple years including probably cousin who doesn't still doesn't think that actually have a job. I I gripped for a living but hey listen to Eddie and John John. You're gonNA help me either exactly so I think you'd like to mention or Klug before we get into our cars and start writing for well. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to whole foods on Thursday to pick up my thanksgiving meal but I too that you can find me at Foreign Zion Dot Com And I'm working on banking some episodes for honestly tech so honestly tech pod DOT com. That will be back after the Thanksgiving holiday you have some episodes look forward to. I'm I'm excited slash scared slash daunted but also excited because it's been a fun creative endeavor for me and I'm looking forward to getting back to it In addition to starting my holiday crafting which will be twitch streaming stay tuned to throw and and I love. I Love Holiday Crafts. I'm not and I. I hope you'll love. You'll love this one. Andy I'm I'm transforming a bunch of Just like regular android figurines into a whole like holiday set. Go and I and I already have Santa that I made like four years ago. So I'm just improving approving and adding to that so I decided this would be the Arab. Get back into this. Yes the last year. The first year I went to there's a There are two churches like just down the street again. This is like a about a three hundred year old fishing coastal fishing village. So people coming again from the sea they first thing they wanna hit is a church to say okay about that deal. I made three days ago in the harbor so so let's over last year. I decided that I'm going to definitely hit every single church. Bizarre I can and I talked to a lot of a lot of. I'm looking forward to that next week's not this weekend or next weekend to them are happening as for me as usual Hit me on instagram or twitter. Not Go I H and K O. I still promise that my blog will be up at some point so you can see my ongoing failure to get that. were up and running again at an OCTO DOT com. I'm off we're not doing NPR this Friday. But I will be on next Thursday at W. G. B. Boston so he can livestream that Gbh News Dot Org But before we let you go just want to Again this is. We are familiar faces to a lot of you and so sometimes it helps to hear this from a familiar voice. Assume that some of US have really great relationships with our families and they're very very mutually nourishing. Some of us don't don't feel as though you're so you're obligated to do something that will ruin you mentally for a certain time because you feel obligated do it always make the best choice for yourself self Just because all the commercials have people gathering around a candlelit table doesn't mean that you're loser for deciding to stay home and just enjoy the parade raid And or just binge-watch The the Mandal Orient or something. The great thing about being an adult is that if you want to fill up your entire bathroom with with colored plastic balls from ballpit you get to do that. And that also means that you get to spend the holidays in whichever ways most nourishing to yourself and the other thing to remember is that we have family that we are issued at birth by genetics and then part of the glory of getting out into the world is that we acquire our family members on our own people that for whatever blessed reason you just recognized a shared mental DNA of shared mental genetic code. That it says that when I'm with this person or when I'm with this group of people I'm with family I'm in a safe place and I'm home So don't feel as though you when you if you want lots with family. You don't WanNa be alone. Family has a wonderful Broad definition and this is good. -solutely this is this is not you. Don't Ah don't volunteer for stress and pain that You don't have to you don't have to do. 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However you're spending it and if you do manage to fit your entire bathroom full of balls I would like to know where you got the balls from which the they let me know play sail for if there is a black Friday sale because we want to jump on that? I'm I'm getting I'm giving you special dispensation. You don't have to think about it. If there's if there's a good deal that you could fill any room or plaza plageri- the tip is surreal ramp in front of it and leave just dive in not even if you have kids not even if you have an audience just because you've always wanted to do it and you don't have to worry about what's what's at the bottom. Just remember too close so happy Thanksgiving everybody with your American American Canadian or elsewhere if you're elsewhere hopefully hopefully the spirit of Thanksgiving of being grateful for that which you have to be grateful for is in your hearts and in your minds on this this day. Hope do thanks for listening to us this time. 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Material 206: Actions Speak Louder Than Words

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Material 206: Actions Speak Louder Than Words

"Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening. My name is Florence ion and I am your host for the material podcast, which you're listening to right now. Episode number two six, and I'm joined here by the irreplaceable, Andy nocco. Yes, I hope this isn't a logical conundrum for those of you who are listening. I am also your host, but I am not fluent Florence. I on it's possible for I to be your host and flow to also be your host. Yes. Well, it's a very, it's a very fair hosting duty here. And because of that we don't refer each other as co hosts, but full hosts because we both put our full hearts into this podcast also. I know that we have a very wide demographic of gauges among viewers for those of us who were old enough to barely remember the Merv Griffin show. He used to have a weekly co host. And so we don't want to invoke imagery. Of like, oh, no, there's Paul Williams and he's going to be there every single week and he's probably not gonna be completely on. Every day of that week or toady fields, shall I say, Tony fields again, I've dim memories, I was probably five six but a little toady field goes along way, you can check YouTube and verified that for yourself. I don't wanna tell you how to think but again, I think you'll agree with me. Can you check you too? And then you can quickly navigate away because there's probably some scary things on their more on that later. That's, that's a tease for biggest one. Andy before we get into the thick of it. I me and the internet wanna know what happened to that cat last week end up getting a pet or it shows you how much empathy. There is amongst our audience pleases me greatly that. I did. We've got a tweet at least one tweet today. Please picture. You tell us what happened to the orphan? Kitty it turned out that one of my neighbors had acquired a cat that I had not known about in the last two or three weeks. And so, but then and kitty was had been been there long after know that. Oh, this is the door beyond, which there, are, there are food, and there is water. And there is scratchy when I'm in the mood for scratchy. So I didn't know I did not adopt cats. You will also be pleased to know that did not also did not kidnap a cat, although this was a very, very adorable kitty. And if I'm gonna kill if I'm going to choose one to kidnap, not what I would that I think if the same thought would go into your mind that when he's when you see that there is not a caller arou-. Around this kitties, neck, you start to you. You're I thought it's not. Oh, well, a lot of indoor kiddies don't have callers. You think that there is a non zero chance? This is a stray cat, and this could be my cat. So saul. I will say, all I will say is that this has once again, reminded me that I seem to be thinking about getting a cat of often in the past two or three years. This is not the first time I've thought about an inverted league getting somebody else's cat. So perhaps, I should hit up a friend of mine who's a veterinarian and start on that, like six to what I would plan out as a six to eight month road of making sure I know exactly what will be respond, what, what would be required of cat ownership how much need to budget for a regular expenses and unexpected expenses. And then, of course, going to shelter and finding looking for kitty that needs a home and doesn't go straight for my eyes. Andy just to tell you for my own cat experience. I've had both a cat and dog, but I grew up with the really big dog. When I lived with my parents, so I didn't like financially contribute to it, right. Cats get sick. They get really sick. They get really sick like humans, and they cost a lot of money like, humans, I only say this, because I did not believe how much the stuff costs until it happened to our poor little kitty, who is our senior special needs. Kitty. It's what I referred to her as now my senior special needs Princess because she really doesn't do much except layer on all day now and is not a lot of steroids, and other sorts of trucks to keep her body functioning regularly. But it's totally like the payoff is one hundred percent like having a living being in the house and not just plants like it just really takes away, the lonely, especially us being the work from home types, like just having a little furball sitting next to you while you're like struggling with your life's work. I don't know kinda helps it helps and then sometime. She'll drag me outside because she wants to go outside. And so I'll spend the morning instead of like worrying about my work life. I'm outside with her and my coffee and, like we're hanging out the back yard and the sun. And it's just like a nice reminder that the world doesn't just revolve around you. But that's the thing about it. Just I I really love being. I love that I became a cat person because they really are like now Maske myself, if I wanna get a kitten because because my cat is is aging, and I like, can't really think about life without her. Sorry to make everybody kinda sad right now. This is just this is people talk about this is what humans stock about. Because, you know, we get very attached to these things, and it's also a, again, within the context of being self employed, like work at home, people, the number of times over the course of a month since I was, let's say twenty three twenty four and realized that, no, this was not something that was going to be leading to a job in engineering, or at a company that this was going to be my life's work of about once a month at happens that, like, I'm at a coffee shop, or I met a library, or I'm running an errand, and I think about every all the work that's waiting for me back in the home office. And I realized that, well, when I left to get a couple of hours of work done at the at the coffee shop. I did take my laptop and a charger for the laptop and in my wallet. There are credit cards and on my phone is software that will let me access all my Bank accounts. What's to stop me? From just going taking hail using the phone to hail a lift to the airport flying somewhere and starting a new life there. Because I'll have my computer. That's good. And again, I will be able to take my and I just never done it again. I only did that one time when I was twenty three twenty four and I left my previous life to move here to New England for my probably shouldn't say to start this new identity, but it's it'd be nice to have that extra little set of brakes on that line of thought says, oh, I would at minimum have to go back home to pick up kitty. And, and then I'd have to think about well har-, how hard is a is kitty as a dapple as I am or as eager to start a new kitty life elsewhere, and then as well, I suppose, I should probably just finish writing the six hundred fifty word synopsis of something that producers waiting to get maybe that would be easier than throwing another dart at another map and starting another new life someplace else. You know, you'd be surprised how some cats are. I have a friend who just moved to London and brought their cat with them. And they're just they're just getting used to life together in Goodall London. Can't imagine what the what the smells are like the cat just like coming. They, they went from New York to London. So I imagine still city life, but smells very differently for I, I love animals. I could talk about them all day. They make me really happy, but it's true. You do have to leave places early to go home and feed them. And like make sure the excuses for leaving social events that I do use that. I'm like a very hungry senior cat with specialties in home, which I'm really sorry. I'm using my cat for that. But sometimes it really works. And the people like oh, she's just a crazy lady. I'm like, yeah. I love my cats. So what would love to stay for another three hours? But I've got go home put Sav on the cat's Boileau. Close mic. Definitely. So. All right. Moving on from cats, though, Andy, I'm going to keep pressuring you're about this just because I think something should think about, like not necessarily move forward to do the action, but just think about it in the back of your mind for a little bit. Because you know, being being a pet parent is I'm sorry to everyone out there. I know that like referring to dogs and cats dog and cat children. Is it like the same? Because the. Is the one that makes me go from ocean at wonderful? This person is so into their pets, too. I did get into plants and I call them my plant babies, but I thought that that is okay because because it's just a cute terminology for I mean, I have all these plants in my house now, and they are they're like, little babies. But anyway, I think little babies. Yes, we've acquired. Yes. So speaking of little babies, and actually this is a great segue. If anybody has been paying attention to the internet, this week, the smart clock has been reviewed by sites. Galore, including yours truly on all about Android on Twitter, all about Android, and have a show called hands on tech, if you want go check that out. I got to live with this clock for a little bit. It's right next to my bedside, actually. I'm really sorry. I didn't bring it downstairs. Andy. I just realized that couldn't be showing it to you right now in person, but I liked it too much on my nightstand. So it's, it's a tiny little thing. It's four inches. I was gonna say is. Is it as tiny in the flesh as it appears to be in the does it really does seem like smaller than a cell phone screen? No, no, no, no. It's it's four inches, but it's like a giant for. Oh, explain. Yeah. It's a giant four inch one. I'm actually just trying to pull up my notes real quick here on it. So we can have nice discussion. Yeah. So it's a four inch APS screen with a four eighty by eight hundred resolutions. So it's, it's short going across, but a little longer going vertical. It has one single ambient light sensor, which in my experience, works just as well as little smart display. That's by that little curtain over there behind me. But it also functions the same so you're not getting that extremely dynamic beautiful subtle dimming that you would get with the nest home or the nest hub have to have to remember what they've been renamed to, like the way that, that one kind of changes brightness throughout the day to go from day tonight. It's such a subtle beautiful. I really appreciate it. And I wish that the Nova's product had it. But that said. The thing doesn't keep me up at night, it's not super bright. And during the day, I could see it very well from across the room. So if I'm like getting ready to rush out the door to go. Do something I can quickly glance over and I see the time perfectly which happy because I need the time can. Kennedy. There is a USB port on the back, which you can use the charger phone. It's USB two point. Oh, so. It'll it's as fast as two point. Oh, is use it to charge my galaxy active watch just because I don't have extra ports in the power strip, that's by my bed because I have a power coaching. I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think it does. But it charges fast. It's not like. Wouldn't be killing Cheech Archer a wireless jo-john top of it, and you just dump your phone on top of that, it would be it would probably cost more. Although at eighty dollars, it still is like quite quite a hefty chunk of change. It also doesn't match the nest hub in features, so you know how you can go to the nest hub, and you can you bring up a Hulu video or a plex video, or YouTube TV video. Well, I don't even have the option to cast to what is called the bedroom clock upstairs in my room. I was gonna actually jumping to an apple quick and see if I can cast it. So just look here. Little live demo logging into YouTube TV on my pixel and going. Yeah, the casting only allows casting to the TV's and the smart displays in my house. So there's no casting option to go to the alarm clock. And I think that's just because they want this to be alarm clock like this is not your entertainment portal. This is not your destruction portal. This is this is purely for getting up in the morning and getting ready to go, which is also why you can program. Good morning, routine with it. But the, the only routine you can program, so you have to go take care of that in the Google home app. You would, you know use the lights that turn on years, the temperature on mute the stuff play this podcast. You set that all up for eighty dollars though. It's a lot of it's a lot of money for an alarm clock. I don't I just I don't really get it even if even if it were forty dollars. Even if it were fifty dollars, I would or even sixty I would be a little more like, okay I could see this 'cause it works as a nice smart home controller. It's here's here's my chain of thought on it. That. Why would I why would I have this? I want this for my nightstand. Or what kind of features that are kinda like this, what I love to have on my nightstand and obviously really would love to have like a microphone for hooked up and a half way, decent speaker, for the Google assistant, so that when I'm awake, but not even committed to actually open. My opening my eyes yet, and I just wanna know like what time is it? How badly did I oversleep today? Nothing gets by the way, today, cave me, a time of day that was four hours later than I had ended, and that gets you out of bed, he quickly, but that, but that's the sort of so that's number one. And that's really well covered by Google home, mini which right now, which also has a decent enough speaker that it's good for I want, just a little bit of ambient music, or I just want to have a little, I don't wanna fill the, the, the room with noise. I just want to have a little like little birdie cheating in my in my. Ear. Right. On the nightstand. So that's one and two. I would I wouldn't mind having something like the size of the regular home hub. So that if occasionally I want to I ask I ask on a question, and it can give me more information than it's actually saying that also would be nice and but the idea of. But all these all these things I was thinking of never point to give me a home hub that is too small to give me really good visual feedback, and too expensive to make be want to just get it and put it there and hope that I find it used for it. I have my, my current actual bedside clock is a vintage. I got on. I Alta, I'll tell you that for some reason, a few years ago, a got on this kick of realizing that guy always like having to get up and look around to find out what time it is if I don't have my watch, right? Oh, my phone with me, as a darn, it, this will not last, I won't get for the next month. I know look for cool LED, ideally, like vacuum fluorescent clocks from the seventies, and eighties and make sure got plenty so Mike bedside clock. It is not what I say, fake would grain. I don't want you to think. Oh well you've seen that, like all I'm talking about. No, it's not like a decal. They actually textured the plastic and painted it to make it real three d would grain. And it has that kind of, like, really amazing nineteen Seventy-eight red LED's before they figured out how to make them really cheap to make it really power fishing, still your alarm clock is pure lead. Which might explain my flow of logics of dimes, but so. What, what, what getting is that? Like I have I have I really just need to look and see see what time it is. I have some this kind of stylish and really fun that I like, if I were buying something new could buy something new for about twenty thirty dollars. It doesn't seem to the Lenovo does seem to be fulfilling a lot of the things you'd wanna smart clock four. And like I said books, I got eighty bucks. I don't wanna lie to you. I got eighty bucks. I'm not sure that I have eighty bucks for this. That's all it's you much money. I'm sorry. Just as much as the pixel stand was too much money which, by the way, look for that on EBay soon because I'm trying to get it out of my house 'cause I don't use it. And I did put my own money toward it. But you know, I have it in for review at I'm gonna keep it on nightstand. Because it's, it's super cool. I haven't paired with the Google home because I have another Google home in the bedroom. And I also have a chrome cast hooked up to the TV in there. So I have my own little Google ecosystem thing going on. And when you link up all his vices basically the alarm clock becomes like the controller for your TV, and your stereo, which is kinda cool. And so I think the one thing that I'm really enjoying out of all this all all these experiments, like diversify the goal Sistan and figure out like what devices you could put it in, like, what people will buy with. It was happening is, I'm just creating it's kind of, like, really easy DIY, it's a really easy DIY entertainment solution. I guess you could say I just think about the fact that I have, like, though, max downst-. Bears. And then I have this little thing upstairs with the paired speaker. And just how seamless it is to move from one room to the other, which is the phone in my hand, which is always on me anyway. And to kinda like do all that. So for that reason, I really appreciate it. But do I think that this is going to be a huge hit probably not do anything that it's interesting? And I'm definitely going to hold onto it and show people who come over absolutely. To see what you like see. Oh, baby. Google. Welcome to my push button, home of the future. I think people are actually starting to be a little weirded out by my house. I've actually told actually my design aesthetic. Well, I told people before they come over, I assure them, I'm like, don't worry. I'm using all the, my like nothing's going to hear you, a, you know, it's, it's fun. So I got before we go to our commercial in our very, very, very deepen heavy act, one item. I have a great, great piece of news, for pixel one phone owners and also pretty good news for me too. It turns out that the pixel one is definitely to some degree waterproof like I'm not talking about out in the rain or your buckets about this. Yes. Yes. Because if let's say it's, you know, it's the seasons have turned in your office that doesn't have air conditioning and amongst your spring slash summer routine is to get this. Nice little like personal ice chest out of the closet and went on a particularly long workday, fill it with ice fill it with strips, Schweppes lemon lime seltzer cans, and one bottle of Mexico Mexican coke. So that when you want something ice cold and frosty to keep you entertained in the Lert non thirsty right there. And let's say that you had that out yesterday. And you. Haven't like yet it melted the other ice melted overnight and the latte you when he took the final soda out of there. You lift the lid open, and then you were to knock your phone out of off your desk and into this one gallon container of water. If you, you will, if you dive if and it's it was down, there long enough for me to register my disbelief that I'd allowed such a thing to happen such as I'm going to have an open container of deep water near my desk, where my mobile device his art if you if you grab it, and then shake it out and actually, the screen screen was still lit like underwater, and it's working perfectly fine. The speaker is working perfectly fine to make things make this even more dramatic of the incase represent case that I have on my phone. Unfortunately, the bottom of it with the USB three Jack. The case is a little bit too small to allow me to plug in a USB drive. I often use and so at the moment I was transferring I just finished transferring some files. And so even that, that extra rubber case was off the whatever extra protection have gotten, and it's still working just fine. It's perfect. There's again, even the speaker works great. It didn't it and shut down and restart. I did give it a good few shakes, and actually did see water. Just go. Out of the various checks. So I know that it wasn't just. Oh. Air air bubble predicted. So that's so kudos to the designers of the pixel one phone for lowering understanding exactly how abusive and careless beacon be with our phones and giving us that little extra piece of protection, I will say that as I was shaking it off and nervously looking deceive was still working. Of course. My, my mind is partitioned into God. What a stupid, dammit. I hope I didn't bring my phone to twenty percent now should I get a pixel one of the new like four hundred dollars pixels, or should I like put a Sam one of my old phones, because I will definitely absolutely buying a pixel for now, if you months and fortunately, I've been I have been denied the need to up grade my hardware. Because again, that would have been a stupid stupid way too. So Fettes I hopefully this will be. He like, when I trained, my, my soon to be cat like this. Is this negative reinforcement? It'll be Andy the next time like tonight when I still have like two cans of Schweppes in there when I finished that perhaps, I'll every time I take a can out of their our member to close the lid because of their. There is a couple of rules to living in this reality that I keep reminding myself of one Br rule number x is that there are no mistakes. They're only lessons then the next rule after that is all all lessons will be repeated until they are learned out. So I feel as though the universe said, we're going to teach him to not do that with the cooler by giving him a near miss, and the next time you're going to give him an actual killing his actual phone or something more expensive. And maybe then we keep repeating the lesson. He will learn it. So you saying there will be a next time and evidently inevitably because I unfortunately, have been the user of this brain in the software that is installed on it for quite sometime. Now, I'm it's like at some point, you know that I'm just you don't even bother doing a diagnosis, you know that you're gonna have to like take out the plug gigolo a little bit and blow on it and put it back in. That's the only way. It's going to work. And I've this is this is something that I'm not making this up just to be entertaining, their times, where I do the right thing or double check something, because I literally think to myself, Andy, is it is, are you, in fact stupid enough to have made mistake, it's not harsh. It's like it's more. It's not like me abusing myself with, with insults. Like Andy, can you imagine yourself being so dumb as to knock an expensive device into an open content? Open the cooler full of water. Yes. Okay. Then perhaps we should close that because if if that exit and the again, this is a literal, China thought because Andy, if after we have had this conversation with ourselves and we don't do it. And then we actually destroy a phone. I am not gonna let you forget that. I'm going to be nice about it or not going to be a jerk. But I'm going to remind you of all the times where you thought to yourself. We had this assertion that. Gosh. If I leave that lit open, I might destroy this eight hundred dollar Microsoft surface tablet by knocking it in there, perhaps, I should therefore, so again. But again, good news if you don't unless you're a pixel one user, who re recognizes that the Android Q will probably not run on your hardware, or is not running your hardware, and therefore, if you're looking for a reason to buy new foam that other people will believe you could say, oh, gosh, I'm going to have to bend. If only I can bend over and pick that up in time and take it out of that water before it dies. And I'll say that, that the time will be more than about eight to nine seconds or. Just advice workflows. Well on that note, Andy shall we make some moolah? Yes because again, because he might need to. 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And part of the reason is because there was a lot of a fast acting movement happening this past Wednesday, usually we record the podcast and Wednesday at comes out on Thursday. We're actually recording on Thursday afternoon when it comes out is really up to God at this point. When we often do say praise Jim and all of his mysterious wonders miracles perform, Jim has a wonderful plan for all of our lives. Yes, Jim is it is the is the Peter. Anyway. Sorry. Gyms are rock and upon this rock filled all not Peter. I meant to say Paul, the apostle of the church's anyway. Let us let us move in Disney's. Very, very we're, we're just I'm again before we go on, and we will go on. But we've, we've demonstrated that as children, we definitely grew up a religious household in which we do know that. Oh, there's Peter, this Paul Peter, this rocket okay? Sorry, everybody was annoyed owed. I'm talking about the warranty to the story because we just don't. That is kind of what's happening here. So I am going to explain this to you as best as I possibly can. So there's been some stuff going on with you to this week. Now. It's not just one linking thing. It's a couple of little different things, and so we're gonna break down the two major events that happened this week in the order that they happened. Okay. So the first order of business is that this week, Google was pressured into Ambien up its response against YouTube, hate speech. You might be wondering why it's just happening now and to that we say, you know, we're wondering the same thing, it was again, for legal reasons, rest boasted name names. But everything was going great within, there was this guy named Doug who got his God, his YouTube account three days ago, and he starts posting videos with mean things about it. And everybody was pretty upset about it. Let me tell you. I, I wrote a letter to my local newspaper about about what, what's the deal with this. This was per ever. It was perfect and wonderful. I mean Doug my right, dang it. So we're going to link you to the Washington Post article on this matter. And you can go canoeing, really up all the information in there with your favorite kind of bread. But here's the T L DR the two Longdon read. So vox, video producer Carlos Marza, who is gay and Latino, he co-produces. Fox's monthly video series called strike throw, and that series explores the challenges facing the news media in the age of Trump. So kind of this is going to be kind of American Centric, but stay stay with us here. And I know that you're already sort of Tensing up because we've said here is the team were wires commentator that talks about Trump that he's probably not going to the world is not going to be kind to him. Yeah. Yeah. So Martha has been targeted for years by right wing commentator. And comedian self described shall we say. Yeah. Self described Steven Crowder, in some of his YouTube, videos Crowder, basically, was making fun of his sexual orientation, and is in this city. And this isn't just been going on for like days or weeks. This has been going on for years. So as a consequence of these personal attacks from Crowder Marza started getting harassed by his fans on Twitter, Instagram. He's also dock slashed year, which by the way, I'm finding that is not a word that really existed. Like global vernacular. You have to really explain to people with docs means so docs is went all information. Gets leaked online, and then people come in harass you because of that it's scary, and it happens here's, here's his phone number. Call him to debate and vote his beliefs about conservatives meal, and they just so they what happens with doc saying that, it's, it's a psychological attack intimidation. It's an intimidating psychological attack like make you feel like you're being closed in so the videos that Mars was posting on vox. They were routinely flooded with abusive and offensive comments, because that's yeah so Marzano vox had made repeated attempts to get you to take action, citing violations of YouTube user policies against bullying harassment and hate speech. However, YouTube did nothing oftentimes a not even replying to the complaints. And the videos also continue to be monetize by the ad platform. So finally Marza decided to just put all the evidence into one long rail so that we could all see the terribleness in how many minutes this real was. So poor Mars, the first of all had to retraumatize himself by watching all of these videos to string together of the mean stuff that this guy was saying about him. I'm sorry. It's not even just mean I'm using that vernacular, because I'm baloney owned. That's always speak. It was incredibly offensive offensive full an abusive is, it's an abuse as the sort of sort of stuff that the person who says these things and their fans say, hey, which is good natured ribbon. We were just having visit comedy channel, but someone who the first time they've been called names like this, it, it was probably in junior high. When other kids were punching them, left and right and calling them this name. And I think that the person who uses this name knows exactly the effect that is going to have a way of controlling and intimidating people. Yeah. So he strung together Mars string together this compilation video of the offensive. Intent it now has over seventy five thousand likes in twenty thousand retweets this was on Twitter and there is a whole threat that we're gonna link you to. But Indiana read some of the highlights. I really do. I really cut and pasted a lot of the a lot of the tweets and the tweet thread that he posted and his words, speak better than anybody else possibly can. So I really do. We will have linked to in the show. So but he said it talking about, like what why he so angry and frustrated, quote again, the problem isn't Crowder. There will always be blanking blank holes trying to get attention. You know, trying to get attention by being big. It's the problem is that YouTube is designed to give those blank holes, a megaphone push new followers in their directions and keep them listening. It's a weapon, I cannot explain how awful it is to see a video, where your call a quote lispier, queer, unquote, pass a million views, thousands of comments piling on how the bleep are LGBT people expected to produce. Interesting content in this environment. And the probably the most powerful of is I'm getting again, I'm quoting directly YouTube, does not give a blank about queer creators YouTube does not give a blank about marginalized creators, YouTube does not give a blank about diversity or inclusion. Youtube once clicks, YouTube wants clicks YouTube wants clicks, and that really is. A again without internal. I always have to print the size that I don't know of the I do not see into the souls of the conference rooms inside YouTube. But this when you judge this operation of YouTube by their effectiveness in controlling the speech, there's no evidence that they're showing us as users of this platform that they particularly care. I'm sure that as individuals they are. There are plenty people who care and are as upset as anybody else, except for Mars himself, but as an institution YouTube is not demonstrating that they care. He the last thing I kind of pulled out here speaks to what flow was matching the quote love to sit at home, editing together clips of my abuse. In order to publicly beg a platform to pay attention. Love to be an adult gay person and still have my identity marked by public humiliation. Yeah. So YouTube immediate response to that video was to promise investigated. The tweets on the video the complex. Yes, the tweets in the video, the compilation video was that they had promised to investigate cool, then they announced Tuesday night, that Crowder's videos. This was the big kicker didn't violate you to policies against harassment and bullying and therefore would remain on the site. Cool. So. The team YouTube Twitter account posted this reply just kinda this public facing here. You hear Ye sort of thing saying our team spent the last few days, conducting an in-depth review the videos flag to us while we found language that was clearly her full, the videos posted, don't violate our policies. We've included more info below to explain suspicion. And here's some of that info as an open platform, it's crucial for us to allow everyone from creators to journalists too late night, TV hosts to express their opinions within the scope of our policies opinions can be deeply offensive. But if they don't violate our policies were made on our site. Yeah. This is this is a hard thing, by the way, that's just as an aside, that's constant conversation. I'm having in my own personal life with people about, like quote unquote, wrong opinions. We don't want commentary. Yeah. Youtube continued in the twenty so hard to shut up. Now even if the video remains on our site, it doesn't mean we endorse slash support that viewpoint. There are other aspects of the channel that were still evaluating we'll be in touch with any further updates. Okay. Whatever. So that didn't go over well at all in many news outlets. Requested comment from Google and received the same response. In fact, I will tell you, if you go read the Gizmodo article versus the verge article, you'll see that it's a live the same responses from the comms team, which is understandable, because I'm sure that they were in like red alert mode the night before. So the meat of the response is kind of this in videos flagged to YouTube, but Steven Crowder, has not instructed his viewers to harass Moore's on YouTube, or any other platform. And the main point of these videos was not to harass retin, but rather to respond to the opinion, there's certain behavior is never. Okay. That includes encouraging viewers to harass others, online and offline or revealing non-public, personal information. Prince sees doc saying none of Mars personal information was ever revealed in content uploaded by Crowder and flag to our team's review. Okay. So. It's this is this is this is just being very clueless on YouTube part because Martha is liberal is gay isn't on white. He's a commentator known. He knows. He knows the effects of his statements, but that doesn't mean that he's allowed to be harassed because of that, you know, because of that particular opinion that is putting forth. So you to reverse itself, on Wednesday kind of in the middle of when Andy host to record. I'm sorry. I have to I have to apologize to you and to listeners wasn't familiar with Carlos Maza before this. And in the show, docs and a lot of places I much I misspell his name as Marza, and I realized that we've been. Or is Carlos Maza? I thought I it's it's been it's there's no excuse for that. That's my fault too, because I didn't I didn't double check, though you trucks, trusted me that I would get it right. My policies, I do try to do better than this as, as we said before, this is been fast, moving, and this document updated several times. So a lot of things, but Carlos Maza for calling him Arza and from here on out, we will refer to him as Maza, and that's who we are referring to. So thank you Carlos for being understanding. I hope we're doing Justice the story, but you know it's, it's terrible because. There is a there. Youtube is technically correct that they have specific policies against shirts those sort of things and no on very robotic algorithm. Way. These videos, did not call out Carlos for abuse or for dachshund or anything like that. But the thing is this was there is no innocence in here. Crowder knows that when a. Individual who is gay was non white, and who is making has is known to make comments that are critical of, of radical conservatives and the Trump administration. They that person knows that they don't have to call for action against this person. They don't have to put the verbs in that statement. All they have to do is a here is here is this person, and this, and they know that their if you have a large enough audience, even if you have not been calm, cultivating, an audience of wing nuts, you will have a percentage of wing nuts, and the wig nuts within the within the again, I'm saying the radical conservative moment, which is movement, which is not the same as the conservative movement, while Republicans, the wing nuts within that community are known for this kind of abuse. Once again, it is. It may not even be hate. It is a source of if you think that you don't that, that the people do not have power over you that I do not have power over you that I can't control you that I can't make you scared that, I can't change your behavior that I can't do things that the next time you wanna produce video or tweet, something, or Instagram, something that is critical of things that I believe in, if you think that I can't make you think twice about doing that. I'm here to correct you of that, and I'm don't care about, and I'm going to violate policies that I ever cared about to begin with. So the, the statement that Tae it's just just jokes. No. I didn't I never of course. It's that's that doesn't stick that is not something that if you are an adult in any way, shape or form, you don't get to use that excuse if you're eleven years old and saying, I didn't understand what happened when I yelled fire. Okay. You're eleven years old. If you're an adult you don't get to say that you are, you're okay, I was pretty lucid at eleven but I guess girls mature faster than boys or something. I know this should be three because I went to school with boys. I've been in locker rooms eleven year old boys. Yeah. Okay. So, so YouTube eventually reverse it self on Wednesday. Demonetizing Crowder's channel Twitter was going to buzz the official YouTube Twitter posted we came to this decision because a pattern of group actions has harmed the broader community and his against are you to partner, pram policies. Okay. So crowder. What really does that was against YouTube partner program policies? Yeah. I'm just I'm Hugh most. Sorry and making all of these asides, because it's such it's such jargon to just to take the, the liability off of them and just saying, like, well, it turns out that as we looked deeper into it just didn't really align. Okay. Sure. So Crowder responded with a new video of his own, claiming of course, to be the victim of this whole thing, so via the Washington Post article. That's friendly ribbing. He said of the language he used about Maza did I ever off? Handedly, use the term lists be queer. I really don't remember it. But it sounds like me. Why because you speak with lisp and referred yourself as aquar-, it's funny and this is a comedy show. So Crowder, said that the criticism of videos was an example of a powerful media company like vox drying to silence forces that they don't like, quote unquote. He called the company's decision to democratize video streams and add Pakalitha which I know you've heard before and warned to his viewers at the decision was a war on all independent creators. So let's let's circle back on this, this. Yes, we this is this is life. This is life advice in life was them that sometimes something is not an attack on a large group of people, it's a specifically attack on you as a result of your behave. And it can be you're participating in self soothing behavior. If you're claiming that the reason why this action has been taken against you is because they don't like what you stand for, or they don't like the group of people that you hang with. It is not it is about the things that this person actually didn't. Well I mean he is hanging with some really toxic. People who think it's fun to docks people and, you know, harass them about their sexuality, and, and everything. Okay. So this sum, this up YouTube responded swiftly to the PR problems to Mazas frustrated tweet, and then the reaction to Google not doing anything about it when they should have been responding to the original problems themselves, and this is not just a problem. That's been prevalent recently. This is a problem. That's prevalent for a long time on YouTube. And the thing is YouTube is become a fairly large beast. I mean, think about jen's e now a lot of the kids that are growing up, these days are seeing YouTube influence or whatever YouTube, creator, whatever it's called, by the way, those are two different things Taylor, Lorenzo were degreed article about it, but kids know this to be a profession that you can pursue in the future. But peop-. People don't understand the dangers that come with being. I guess maybe I want an and this is an this is in the notes Andy, this is me just kind of roughing off the top of my head. But I wonder if this is just the Lucien of how is just how Hollywood house, the celebrity has evolved. Right. So from Hollywood into reality TV from reality TV. We went to I don't know. Let's say people in webcams from webcams. We went to YouTube right in so I'm wondering if this is just. I wonder if people just justify it to themselves by saying, well, let's just what you get for wanting to have fame. It's just like that's not fair. Big Lek spider on my wall that just appeared out of nowhere symbol the boat. I know see as, as always the edge don't read the comments comments on this story are also appropriate, but there are, they are illustrative, if he will look at a lot of responses on Twitter and elsewhere to the coverage about this. That's sweat a lot. That was the knee jerk reaction of a lot of people saying that will, you know, you wanted to be famous, but you want you don't want any, the pushback, you get from your opinions and to be to be diverse in our coverage about this. Some of those people are quoting pass tweets that I personally wouldn't have approved of I wouldn't have docks Tim as result of it, nor would I have tried to intimidate him about it. But again, it's there's something somethings that I personally, don't. Approve of which is a diff- that statement is totally different from saying that t should not have done that, that's not what I'm saying. But it's there there's these are just excuses and an inability to really appreciate that. This is not a black box in which you send random comments, and then they're not your problem IRS responsibility anymore. This is a dynamic system where every little poke. Every little pebble you drop into the water causes ripples that will affect other people. Sometimes you can say that. Hey, I had no idea that someone was going to react to it this, this way, just like j d Salinger wrote a book called the catcher in the rye, and somebody who was not healthy, thought that this was a message to him that he should try to shoot the shoot Ronald Reagan, and JD, cylinder could correctly say, I had no idea that this was going to be the result of this for about not wanting to leave childhood Kernohan people. He throws the children back from the field. But. It's what's really important to note here is that this wasn't that somebody said something mean about Maza last week and tech support and YouTube, crater support was not fast enough replying we're talking about years of abuse that if this if Crowder were really innocent, he would have a couple years ago, seeing the effects of his quote comedy unquote, and as a human being with empathy should have said, I don't want you don't do this in my name, you don't do this anybody's name. This behavior is just plain wrong and either address that by speaking to his audience directly or if he thought this was appropriate to change the way, that he's stakes as statements to make sure that's not going to have the effect that he doesn't isn't willing to stand behind. He has been seeing the effects that his behavior has been having for long enough that he has to stand behind it. So then after this, so we're not. Actually completely done talking about this. But we want to bring up something else that happened, which wasn't apparently a direct results of this, but was certainly presciently timed hers, early pressure a month in the schedule, perhaps. Yeah, it was sitting in the drafts folder. And somebody on the coms, gene was like come on guys. Let's get it out. Running through Graham relates get it out. So this, you know, normally would be a separate topic. But again, it does string together with everything that's been going on this week. So Google claims that Wednesday's broad sweeping collation of policies against hate content on YouTube was actually a pre-planned update, which to a lot of us journalists type and people who just hang on the internet and considerate drama. We didn't see it that way. So from the blog post today, we're taking another step in our hate speech policy by specifically prohibiting videos alleging that group is superior in order to justify discrimination. Segregation or exclusion, some qualities like eight. Dj gender raised cast religion sexual orientation or veteran status. This would include for example, videos that promote or glorify Nazi ideology, which is inherently discriminatory discriminatory. Finally, remove content denying that well-documented violent events like the holocaust or the shooting at sandy hook elementary took place, dang, so everybody going work to tackle hate. Yeah. I need ones day as, like right after right after I had this not about the but just to show you how fast it's moving just after I finish an update to the show notes, but okay, so his channels been demonetized we have. Okay, great. So now we can go now there's a new policy. That's just been announced, again, supposedly it was in the works for well, but I I'm sure it wasn't done all at one says a response to what was happening this week. But I I'm sure that there was a date that was originally planned for this. That was not this week. So the changes some changes took place, immediately thousands of videos disappeared. Many channels became democratized one. Avid ability was that far? Right. Youtubers commentators are now decrying this as an attack on free speech in general, and an attempt to mute conservatives specifically, and one other inevitability in sort of happened is that there's some collateral damage because with many history channel's being democratized videos, disappearing because of historical footage of Nasi speeches. You're missing some of that content is going by. Because. Yeah, because that's how those work that's, that's how machine learning works. So blog posts had mentioned that this will be an issue in that you will continue to refine the algorithm to prevent the sort of thing from happening, but, you know, I'm going to actually wanted to tell us how you feel about it, because there's a how you feel about it. And I want you to I wanted to come from you have to come Obon notes of again. We'd be we mentioned the show dog. And sometimes this is part of the conversation that we have before the show. This is only sinked through Skype. Okay. We're trying to be organized folks here. So it's. As, as obviously, as offended on so many levels, as I am by not only the abuses that were happening to Basel. But all the other people who do not have a platform at vox to get the sort of attention in to get Google to move, finally, and do something they should be should have been doing before. Let's I want to acknowledge that it's not quite as it's not a simple simple thing from a Google perspective. One of the things that I really had to once again, research is that what does what responsibilities does do a platform, like YouTube have to remain a non producer of content to be able to say that we are not an edit? We, we don't have an editorial board that decides what's get pup. What gets published on? What doesn't because this isn't a very important distinction. This allows them to have the millennium digital money copyright act that allowed the internet to really flourish. Basically, says that okay well service like YouTube is not like a newspaper, where they have editor where they are deciding what to publish so therefore, they're not, they're just simply acting as a conduit for people to exercise their own chosen speech, and as result, they're not as responsible. As a newspaper would be for that content. And there has there in legal not in the mainstream. But I'm talking about in like nerdy, legal blogs. There have been discussions about how much control can service like YouTube, exert over the, the, the content that they will approve or not approve before it starts to be starts become a vulnerability that someone could a particularly anti-gay goal or anti-free-speech of entity that wanted to really put the hurt on these services could say, hey, look, you're, you're deciding that certain speeches. Okay. But certain speech is not okay. Therefore, you are a publisher which means that if someone uploads, an album, that is copyrighted, you personally YouTube should be sued for allowing that Alvin be up there for all fourteen seconds before contact matched with the hard stuff on the internet. Yeah, I remember when people are the people were saying, oh, they shouldn't these this new thing called cookies is a bad thing because it's going to mean that. Privacy that it will be impossible to be anonymous on the internet and therefore they should not be allowed to have cookie. Sammy YouTube is obviously now operating at a scale where human beings. Cannot make these calls now parenthetically when they they, although that's a good excuse on a day-to-day basis. When someone is persistently complaining about personal abuse, and their companies also on their side, trying to get Google to some at some point, this Email should be escalated to a point where a human being looks at this does what algorithm, can't do and say, okay, this was not this, this, this does not fit the template of a violation, but clearly, this violates, and therefore, we're going to act on this, and the thing is people. Don't indivi- individuals don't have the ability to have that kind of power to influence Google directly. It's use helps to be have a large audience, and helps to have vox behind your behind you doing this. It really does point out that again. Those scale is a problem. They Google needs YouTube needs a new system that allows us to be put in front of human beings as quickly as possible, if not it really does leave them open to questions of how much do they really care about this problem? And I again, I've I hope this isn't terribly naive of me, but I do believe that as human beings YouTube is desperately angry about the sort of stuff and they want to not only do they know that it's a business problem that will take down their platform. If it seen as a place where hate groups can not only exist, but the algorithms themselves can be used an abuse to cause them to find more people into and to flourish. I think that they do believe that this is an important thing for them to tackle, there is a persistent problem where these things are not escalated fast enough YouTube as an organization does not show that they care enough about this. It shows that if they did care. Where they would say, well, guess what? We're doing ten thousand new hires and we're going to totally revamp how we deal still going to have to rely on algorithms doing getting rid of eighty to ninety percent of the obvious stuff, but we're going to find a way that we have more humans brought in to the complaint pro- process earlier on they if they really really cared. They could do that right now. But right now they seem to be sending the message that we, it takes a lot that fire has to be big, big, big big and very hot for human being inside YouTube to see that this thing is on fire. And now we need to deal with it, and that fire is, is PR. So let's I want I do want to say that as, as God, that was meant to be defending Google's or statement. But yeah, let's, let's knowledge that this is a bigger problem than algorithms can solve these videos of every can solve. It's, it's gonna be it's it's gonna be it's going to continue to be a problem. I think that my complaint is not that this these problems exist. But that YouTube, it doesn't seem to be working that hard enough to combat them. They're not. They are they will always they're always going to be losing this battle. But they don't care about losing it as slowly as possible, if that makes any sense, well. And just to play Google's advocate here. It's pro-. It's probably also a combination of, again the beasts is so big like how you contain it. Because I think about Facebook in this in the sense Facebook had the move fast break things philosophy. And that's exactly what happened. And in the same way, that's the spirit of YouTube, which is like, everybody, create content, and just put it on there. Let's create this big community. And so the community was created it flourished it gave way to this whole new generation. And this whole new industry that we hadn't really thought. About before. And instead of thinking about how to safeguard it in how to create boundaries around it, so that it wouldn't become so, so influential it just kind of keeps growing and because of the current I mean. I shouldn't even say because of the current political climate because I think this happened back in the seventies eighties, or nineties, maybe would have had the same manifestation or it didn't happen back then because that wasn't the time. But now it's happening in. So these are the things that are happening while it's here. So it doesn't really when I'm trying to save at that matter when the stuff was announced the fact of the matter is that we are in an era now where we know a lot better. And we know that there are people out there. We know that people are marginalized like we know about all the evils in perils of the world. I'm sorry. If you're sticking your head in the sand, you are being terrible ostrich, and that's not fair to the rest of us who are suffering in watching people suffer, maybe a little bit off the rails on this. But that's just to say that I, I don't know that anything is going to happen because as far as business goes the way to keep his thriving as to keep videos posting and to keep at revenue. Flowing in and the way to do that is just to ask for forgiveness instead of asking for permission. And it's, it's I want to see Google caring about very, very real legitimate arguments about their behavior that the one of the persistent complaints, whether it's true or not about about Google is that they all they care about is engagement, all they care about is ads all they care about, as sales, exactly. And that is that is their business. But at some like let's say that you've you created this wonderful new kind of, of the disposable pen that is will write on any surface, but is completely irresponsible even up to two years. Whatever let's say, yeah. This one full formulation that will absolutely change. Disposable pens forever. And that's the reason why you built it and you're proud of it. And you market it as such and then three years later after. Tight for some reason, a year ago sales just as good as they were they're going tenfold every single month and you figure out why I guess, having having Sally Struthers as our new spokesperson must be really taking. Or you look into what realize, oh, Kay, some people have realized that if you break open one of these pens, put the ink into a bottle cap at baking soda, and then cook it, it turns into this really addictive sort of Jala Sally Senate, John, this was not your intention. But do you then say that? Yeah. But my God look at the numbers, look how much of this were selling. We don't we're not doing anything illegal. We've got coverage here. It's just a pen ink. I don't I don't th that's the sort of argument that I think that the sensible people can make about worrying about that schools attitude that we didn't create these algorithms to be away that not only can some. On with absolutely stupid caustic. And. Dangerous thoughts about what certain people in this country should be how they should be treated. How they can Hollowell these voices can now not only find an audience, but at the outgrow them will help people who are have a dormant interest in this find these other people in find this these communities and these communities will be strengthened, not just simply again, not a lot, not that the not just that YouTube commentator will continue to have YouTube presence, but that the algorithms and the YouTube by its nature will help this person grow. I don't think that this is what Google wants. The question is now they're really have a responsibility to demonstrate that even if this is causing them to become more, and more profitable, and make more and more money. This is not money that they want that they are willing to they're willing to for instance. Fi Di monetize a YouTube producer who has ten million followers who has whose videos, get easily two million views each that adds a when they decide that I don't care how popular you are. I don't care how many people and what demographic of young people are, are people who buy lots of snow tires bring to our platform. We don't want your business. We don't want your audience. I keep thinking about, like what, what would have what it have, what would it have taken in the nineteen seventies for NBC to fire Johnny Carson? Johnny Carson was you don't even have to be of that age group, he wa-, he like owned eleven thirty onward. He was watch I've watched Johnny Carson there've been a couple of times where I've been like. Joke. What in this era of work back, then it's just that back then it was more it was. Normalized to say standards of standards of the day, which is like, why, why we don't excuse me, why. I don't think he's a total whole I just self-censure myself, because, like, okay, that was not good or not proud of the fact that he made that joke. But there's a difference between make him making that joke. Nineteen seventy seven and Jimmy Kimmel, let's say hypothetically, making that joke today that you don't have the excuse of you. Sorry, this toll another topic, but, but I'm saying that like, what, what point would NBC have said this person, this is the most if terms of one person who works for NBC who makes us money that if he were to go away, we could count the millions of dollars. We would not have, what would he have had to do on air, or in his personal life to get fired for NBC to say, no, I don't care. It doesn't even matter that he's would it be if he can kill people. But as soon as we find out, he was also aiding people while, that's where we draw the line. And. And so that's the sort of stuff. I think about with YouTube that at what point are they willing to say that we really don't care that this person has fifty that we actually had to create a YouTube, even the YouTube diamond logo was not? We had to create a brand new logo just for him or just for her. We don't care that this person is at the met gala in on every single magazine cover, and bits Esau here, she is. All I went about. We do not and cannot if we are willing to claim that we have any ethics whatsoever. Let this person have a platform on our servers, how big will this misstep path to be for them to say it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. We do not want our name associated with this person. We don't want be aiding and abetting. This person's message the effects that they have on people, so they have to start they have to start really convincing us that they care. Facebook for me is already lost, 'cause I'm very sure they don't care. And that's because it's still controlled by one person who has very peculiar thoughts about what the Facebooks responsibility as he then this person, you might know him his Kebir. I know his him as Lyle. I've never met him but I just think from, as Lyle, he seems like more of a what no fence to Lyles out there. But I'm convinced he doesn't care. I'm convinced that Google does care, but it is has the heart of clockwork in CPU's and silicon. And it takes a while for the human programming of Google to assert control from the robots and do the things be aware of things that humans and only humans can be aware of I have more say, but we have actually another ad that we gotta get into. And also, maybe we should EU already running kind of long, and maybe we'd like to leave you on, on more of a passive note, somehow fun. So so we can do that. But before we go into our last commercial break of the show. I just wanna leave somebody leaves somebody, I just wanna leave you all with a little bit of a thought being. June June is pride month in the United States. At least I don't know around the rest of the world. And this is a time when a lot of corporations Don, the rainbow flags and dawn the LGBTQ solidarity. I just want you to think about that as the pri- braids take off the month and think about some of the companies that are just think about some of the companies whose names, you see come up in these parades and what they're really doing for q. Rainbow stickers are cheap making decisions of conscience that tell you that you defend not only your own workers or LGBTQ, but all work everyone everywhere that can be very, very expensive. We the stickers are nice. We like them for I still the Android rainbow sticker that, yes. Being gave me while ago still haven't used it because it's too good to. Holding hands and rallies, my favorite again lovely. I like it a lot. Thank you very much. But I would much rather know that again, you are not only doing the right thing, but you're very interested in making sure everybody is comfortable with the air conclusion that you are doing the right thing, if that's what you're doing. Not everybody actions, speak louder than words. And now onto our commercial break, this absorbent material is brought to you by express VPN, sometimes cybercrime seems like something from the movies, and it's hard to imagine someone trying to get hold of your information, but stealing data using public wifi is an easy way for bad guys to make money. And it does happen to normal people like me. And you if you leave your internet connection unencrypted, your passwords, and credit card numbers could be vulnerable. 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I'm playing new games. Like I've always been a gamer always since I was a little girl and kinda stopped because it gets really expensive and. You know, but now I'm making good money so I'm thinking. All right. I'll buy myself a gaming laptop after done testing all of these, but in the interim I mean Google is trying really hard to get into this gaming game as well to kinda really show. It's force as not only are we cloud computer company and not only can we index the internet. But we can also index video games where the heck not hands. Till as well. Yeah. Sticky fingers onto that Castro, so admittedly, I didn't today there was actually a Google stadium it today, being Thursday. When we're doing this podcast on Wednesday and a couple of. Was about to like slack flow and say, okay, the new revised updated show, doc is final, what's this right up the during the live be our like? All right. We'll do the podcast later, it would just fine because India are having one of those weeks. But in we just love to tell you all about it because, you know, why not so Sadia was originally announced in March. We talked about it. Many podcast ago, very thin details, then bow. And if I do recall, Andy you manage to get it on the demo with a bluetooth controller that you had laying around in your home and test out assassin's creed through the browser before the before they announced it as stadiums clear line there. It was it was. They couldn't say, hey we're going to be doing a streaming game service, but we needed to do a wide test for his, but it was raccoons. What was I work? Absolutely wonderful on online slower connections. So the point of stadium is these are games hosted on Google servers, and they're. Played via controller on mobile devices, laptops, or TV's that are with chrome cast. And so, when you think about it, it's like, wow, that's not too bad. But how many of those things? Yeah, exactly. And just I'm gonna jump ahead. Really? Quick and just say the controller that was announced with Google stadia costs, seventy dollars. So those who are thinking, like that's a lot cheaper. Well, you're still gonna pay around a hundred something dollars. If you don't already have a chrome cast, you know, if you and you're gonna have to pay for this monthly ten dollars a month and just, just be really clear. Let's run remind ourselves of something that's really cool about this, when even you're saying, seventy dollars by but like my USB controller for like eighteen dollars or fifteen dollars, it's not it's not like a USB or bluetooth thing. What it is, is, when you are sending clicks, you are has a wife has wifi Bilton it is sending your cliques directly to Google servers, for reduced to reduce latency. So that's the r-. Reason why that might seem a little bit pricey, but it's not one of the goal stuff cheapo like twenty dollar retro controllers of which I have a lot, by the way, like n sixty four SNES I have a bunch of those. They have a little latency a little delay or like I definitely paid only twenty dollars for this. That's why these things cost the my they do. So this is launching November. So if you're interested, this is also around the time at the new Pokemon is coming out. Switch, there's a lot of stuff in November is the time that a lot of games come out because it's right before the holidays when we all want to ignore our families so we bring game council with us which I love because I am looking forward to all the things that I can just ignore my family with sorry. So the bay subscription as we said to stadia will be ten dollars a month, the games can be purchased outright. If you decide either an also an only, so whatever you wanna do tunnels, we're going to be you have to through seventy bucks but state. You will get subscriptions to a library of stuff the hard thing about being a doll is like, now I can afford my video games. But holy crap. That's right. They cost a lot of money. No. You're also paying for like you'll have enough bills like God, am I really gonna spend like half of my entire cable cable Bill just for this one game. They'll be done within two weeks, really has half a capable because, oh my advocate a Bill. So the games that are coming out include assassin's creed odyssey which is what Andy got to sample, doom, the newest tomb raiders, once one of which I'm going to be playing the summer final fantasy and NBA two K. So the way this works is going to be one user stadia count is going to be tied your Google account, you can do split screen gameplay through a guest account when they're over your house, or whatever family sharing is coming later, but it won't be available at launch, so that's kind of a bummer because this is again, November product, which makes me think what a great time to get the family gathered around the new game console. But sorry family, it's only one or two players at a time or, or if you if you do believe that Bougainville. Erase, the don't be evil thing of for for, for purpose. You could say no them what better way to get all of the family members to each purchase subscription. All on Saami mother father. Would you like to tell your children that they must each take tens let's see how that works for my gosh? And I come from era of taking turns, it's not fun. Let me tell you. So what yelling mobile devices that are supported by stadium will be limited to the pixel three and three devices at launch which I just wanna throw a hands up for the pixel three that it's getting included in this because that is amid ranger that were including hair, so that three hundred dollar phone can can get you to stadia, which is pretty cool. When you could also use that if dropping your pixel two like in a bucket of water won't suffice. You could say you know, it's a perfectly good phone. I really should just keep in front of a couple of years. But darn the luck I can't use it with stadium and really important productivity. So I need to buy a pixel for right? Exactly. You can create an account and make purchases on any Android 'em and up device or I O S eleven up device. Now, this is the part where I get a little concerned. So because as I found out because I somehow became a twit streamer in the last couple of weeks. The my internet is heavily throttled here in the suburbs. Which is a real bummer because I have to stream at a very low resolution. So it requires a ten megabit per second. Minimum connection speed which will deliver a seven twenty p slash sixty frames per second. Rush stereo, stream twenty megabits per second. This MBPS for those wondering what I'm reading out, we'll get you ten eighty p HDR video and five point one surround sound while thirty thirty five. Wow. Do you learn Finland or something gets you four K? So I will be usually stream, by the way for those wondering at seven twenty thirty frames per second. The lowest hurts for audio for the old timey twenty two thousand eight sort of vintage. Look, I just I'm not even like it's, it's really frustrating. But anyway, and this has nothing to do, like flows paying bills here. It's just that I'm being throttled very heavily because that's just what happens so you can sign up right now, right after you're done listening to this podcast for stadiums founder edition, which is thirty one hundred thirty dollars. And includes the crocus ultra which will get you that four K streaming to your TV. That alone is sixty bucks, by the way, stadia controller that, that alone is seventy bucks three months scripture in which that's thirty bucks. A three-month buddy pass and destiny to with the shadow, keep expansion. That's yours to own. That's a pretty good deal actually for hundred thirty. I only that bad on really what really went through that thought this afternoon before I realized the. Visual. Switch dollar if I knew I was excited about this. I've definitely be jumping on this if only because the other side benefit is that you can sign up right now. And so you can probably get Dr death digger as your gamer name before anybody else gets it. I decided not to because one hundred thirty bucks is hundred thirty bucks. And I realized that I don't even know if I'm going to keep found soon. It's like I, I can find seventy bucks for the controller just to see just to see if I like it. And if I use it I'm not sure I want to spend one hundred sixty bucks, right? Thirty it's another honeypot floor Google to put its hands in, and I am very curious, if this is going to end up like so my husband and I have been cleaning out the house in stages, just we've lived here for eight years. It's just it's too he's lived here longer. It's you know, you need to clean out the corners out of places to hide things. That's also when I realized I was like their things, bursting out of the closet, like this is not okay. Well, we ended up finding some old consoles including now just we've kept all the old consoles because you don't get rid of those. Okay, those stay around forever. We've got the Dreamcast then sixty four than intendo. We've got it all. We've also got a couple of products, one of which is called the Julia anybody remember. Oh, yeah. That's what the name was supposed to mean. You know, like like the Kool-Aid man, you know, running into a wallow. Yeah. Like no. Unfortunately, nobody really bought that except for the people who kick started it. So I'm grooming this source game platform. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes, it's. Anyway, I had some fun with. But then I quickly lost interest after I built my own raspberry pi. And now I have an Android TV again. Intendo switch that does all of that for me. So I don't know where stadia would fit into my life. I did not try this out at Google IO. Sadly, the demo was right there in the press area for me to sit down and dry. They had a full living room outfitted with a big TV and stadium was ready to play. And the first day there was a long line for it. So I was like L come back to it later. But then, you know the week got busy, and I got nervous about the whole Hiroshi thing, and kinda escaped my mind, so didn't get to actually try it. But I don't know. I, I don't know because I'm still not convinced of Google as a gaming platform. The same reason that I'm not like wildly playing games on Android TV or wildly playing more than push-button games on my smartphone. You know what I mean? And I'm already one of those people who has, like all the things that plays all the things so. I don't know this fit my life, but I could see this fitting in maybe maybe somebody who doesn't wanna spend three to four hundred dollars intendo switch or a new console. Or maybe somebody who wants to game without having to read a bunch of help articles online, because doing anything with Android TV is like being a hacker, just it's not it was not made to be fussed with, like it was made to just point the remote at, and like, pick your content. So, you know, I like I like living in the system. I just don't know of stadium is going to be a part of that. I don't know. It's, it's super interesting. It's possible that I'm the sorta gamer that this is intended for that. I just don't just don't game enough to justify a two hundred or three hundred dollar console. And part of the m a every time I'm kinda tempted by saying, oh, that can also use a just like as a streaming box. And so it's not on that basis is just one hundred keep thinking that. Yeah, but do you are. You really going to be okay with spending fifty dollars for like sixty seventy dollars for game titles. And it's like I see. And I kind of dabble with steam and that works kind of. Okay for me. But it would be it would be interesting to I'm going to buy the controller because I'm definitely gonna sign up because it'll be interesting to see for a couple of months what if I get to keep testing and browsing games until I find one that I like enough to keep playing after the first fifteen minutes that and so it might be for people like me that are just thrown off by all the choice and all the money that costs. And if and if people are saying, do KP, competitive, only sixty particular, man, it also it doesn't use my blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. It's possible this. You have ten thousand dollars for the graphics cards inside. It's possible. This is not the choice for you. That's fine. Don't talk to me about your one hundred twenty eight Hertz. Refresh rate like, or whatever it is, like, I don't know just stop that you, okay? You don't need this Google stadia. It's not for you. With your high refresh rate monitor. Okay. It's four us. Normals. Okay. You gotta be operating at a certain level. If you're like super gamer, like MRs. Too heavy for me idea that, you know, why did we have to put like a bow on the pacman? That's let's too much. That's detail overload. Just nervous. Right. So I don't know. Why don't you dear listener, send us a comment on Twitter, or you can even Email us, tell us would you be interested in stadia? Like, why would you be interested in it? What excites you about it? Like we really wanna hear because me gamer flow. I'm like, I already got all my toys. Andy's, like it was cool for a while, but it's one hundred thirty bucks. But if you feel differently with love to hear from you and I don't want to don't want indicate to people that I'm that responsible with my money. I just choose what I have been so irresponsible with I'm gonna tell you that, like spend the MIT flea market. I know what we're gonna go do. Well actually by productive things that meant flea market. I wanted to wanted to point out that over Memorial Day, you know, the geeks store, so they had. Have a they have, like a clearance department, that has like stuff that they're trying to get rid of that's on discount. And for that day only they finds that we really need these wrecks of storage back we can't and so they'd seventy five percent off everything that was already like in clearance, and so my, my orders arrived today. So, yes, I did spend probably, total thirty forty dollars on two different Star Wars shirts, and a green blazer slash sports code. That is like decorated like Boba fett. And that was a waste of money. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying that I, I tend to pick the things to waste my money on. No. I don't you know, I've, I've decided that if I if I go out the other thing we wasting mutton up. Okay. That's not waste of money. But tickets to bring joy, it's not a waste of money. And my ex that's that's that's exactly the hot topic. But yeah, if I if I go, we'll probably going to an opera or two at the met next season, and as I often do. And so I feel as though I'm going to have to wear the Boba fett jacket if I can find a pair of Star Wars pants, I'm going to have to go for the entire pants shirt and jacket on samba. If I if I do find the pants I'm definitely going to go to opening night gala opening night of always felt that I can't I don't have enough sharp clothes to go to the met Metropolitan Opera gala opening night. But if I have the pants shirt and the and the Boba fett jacket, I feel as though I will be Mr. first nighter. I will be there. Well here I was thinking you are gearing up for the new Star Wars land, or whatever it's called in Disneyland known. I feel as though either go 'cause player go home. I want I want to pretend that I am one of Han solo friends whose heard that he's been in prison somewhere, but I know how to hot wire the money on falcon, and I'm going to get it out of impound and go out and rescue, my friend Hans, I'm more. Luke path person indefinitely like really in my head. So I'm definitely always always at odds with the force, always my in fact. If you wrote a story about me and Star Wars would be really intense because the force in I we'd be really like you think you think raised journey is intense Ono. You just wait for flows journey. And by the way, I've been writing star were sailorman fan fiction since I was ten years old. So this is not a new concept. Thank you very much. I feel like that's good. Me too. Although his all start talking about my Babylon five and fiction in that sense is trying to get me to watch Babylon five before we watched deep space nine because he like wants me to know what it could have been. 'cause like something with the writers drama that was going on, at that time, also Bebel on five series creator, and series writer, j Merkel's Trzcinski has a memoir coming out next month, which he sent me a copy of two months ago. I've read oh, and he does toll this toll story with perspective. And additional information that, yes, of course, of course, paramount totally stole Babylon, the idea of diesel nine from Babylon five because he pitched Star Trek about this as a new way to launch a new series and they had the it was anyway. Definitive was definitely a really bad retread of. It was like you take the Babylon five concept. And then you say yet, but we're very, very lame. And we're very, very fearful of change and challenging our, our, our viewers. How can we basically turn this into instead of like, great tequila, something that kind of is off? Colored maybe bubbles that sort of tickle your nose. If you drink too fast. Maybe I'm sorry. I'm sure I'm sure I met colors there, and we really do need to wrap up because I. Majors to ask you about that book, say my husband's love to read that this is wonderful. Thank you everybody for tuning in this week. I know that this was kind of a longer than usual show, but, you know, we had a lot to say a lot of stuff happened this week. And so if you have any opinions that are nice opinion, nicely written opinions blaze, because agreed bigger with us as. Them nicely. And don't make fun of my sideburns. Yeah. Listen to curse. So, like you try not to curse. Okay. Just please. And I guess until next week everybody have a great rest of the week practice himself care this weekend. And Andy Nile next week.

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291: Very Superstitious

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291: Very Superstitious

"Don't good morning good afternoon. Good evening this is the material podcast episode number. Two hundred ninety one recorded inner room in two rooms that opposite sides of the coast in the same country. My name is florence. I on and i'm joined here by my comrade on the east coast. Andy nocco thank you flow. We're we're doing a sort of a hand across america thing only instead of hands it's ip networking education networks and across america hands across this world where i love codes united. We stand divided. Yes see i was. I was more. I was aware like during that time. And fortunately i was at the right age to realize that this is such bs. It's like okay great rather rather than saying. Hey by the way what they're people who are hungry in your community figure out a way to feed them like hey. Can we get you your sign on on like a really empty pathetic gesture and generation x. We are program to be cynical. We are very happy to simply make snide comments. While the word world birds around his. Hello i was going to say. It's actually your eastern european blood because for some reason our genomes. they're all just. They're just following their brow just every single one of those jobs in the in the dna. String i have just been. I don't know. I in this weird point of stasis where i'm just like living happy to be here but you know just starting to pick on all the little things the other day. I got really annoyed. Because i just asked my google assistant something and it would not stop up selling me on the next thing that i could ask it which i just don't understand like. Is that necessary. Do i understand like the point of on boarding me and reminding me maybe like the beginning of my experience that you would remind me all of these things that i can ask you all the things i can do but what i've been using you faithfully for going on five years. Now we're we're going into our fifth year of this thing in my household. I figured by then you would feel you would feel safe enough to just not have to up. Sell me all the time. You know what i mean. It's like sometimes the assistant is like a little kid who just got who got like a book of trivia or something or the big book of science facts for their birthday and it's like so call. Are you ready for dinner like yeah. I'm ready for dinner. did you know. There's a rare parrot. Call the i and that it has a nest and the this unnecess- called a booming bowl because it gets to use it as an amplifier. So that when it calls out to find other. I is but sometimes it doesn't work because they use like they have a really low voice which means that other can't find them because it goes for distance but a higher voice. You could find out where the thing was like. Yeah thank you. Are you ready for dinner. Meeting your hands washed. Do you have trousers on man. I can't wait for is to be at that stage so i'm actually like really looking forward to that because it's super cute. We finally got her playing in the dirt the other day because we had an uncharacteristically warm day global warming climate change. It's there is hovering above us. Pretend just for a second that it wasn't and we just had a really nice stay and man. I put her in the bath and so much came off of her. What were you carrying from the outdoors. But you know i. I feel thankful that i can offer her that. I think i would have been allowed to play with mud and dirt you. I would feel more comfortable with it than i do. Now because i'm i'm genuinely i'm oppress for as much as i love to go for like a nature walk. I am a precise about it. The entire time yeah. It's it's i i think. Childhood in which at no point has no point if a parent has been cleaning out like a little kids room and found like a coffee can with like holes punched in the top and like a dead worm in there and some dirt. That's that's too bad for the worm. But at least it means that the kids outside getting their hands dirty establishing their dominance over nature maybe tempted down that part but the curiosity about about nature is a very very good thing. You know why. I had a couple of a couple of adventures This is this is actually a tip for people almost every january. I tried to remember that there things you do with every new year one of them lie do is to always go hit my The the websites of my phone provider of my home broadband provider. Because it's i don't know why they do this If they're function is customer service but every every time you check back you'll find out that oh remember how you're you're on this plan that you signed up for five years ago that gives you a thirty five dollars. Fifty sixty dollars a month for a ten gigabytes of mobile broadband. Well they have a plan to introduce actually two years ago. April costs half as much for twice as much data. And all you have to do is just go to this website and say hi. I don't wanna use this plan anymore. When he's that planning anymore. So i did the thing for For my home broadband. Where i'm getting st- like seventy five megabits up down Which was the thing that made sense to the two or three years ago last year. There wasn't enough an upgrade this year. There is a big enough of an upgrade. That i can get fast. I get hundred for the same price or for ten bucks more. I can doublet triplet so great. I'm on board. But the thing is there's a transparency. They're really not good at it even when they're trying to do transparency because so they've got this little thing with a whole menu of own your. What do you want for your phone service. Do you want to subscribe to these channels. Do you wanna do this do that. And there's like sort of a running total at the top that shows me. Here's your here's what your current bill is. Here's what will be like after you enable these changes and there will also be a one time charge of x. And it seemed as though even though all i was doing was investigating okay. I think i'm pretty sure they're gonna go for the two hundred megabits for an extra ten bucks. I think that will. I think they'll do fine. And so click that and although bills to be like an added chart a one time charge of like one hundred twenty nine dollars okay. Maybe there's extra equipment whenever and all i'm doing is looking at other things and so i'm i'm clicking on other options to see what's available and the next time i see the the additional charges now one hundred and fifty dollars. That's two hundred dollars and then by the time like i clicked like the checkout button. It was three hundred dollars. Like if i'd click the button. And now i'm like dude you've taken with. You almost got more money from me. Every single month. Almost in perpetuity. And maybe you still got the money from me. If you had said three hundred bucks additional charges at the outset but now i feel like i am so outta here i feel like i've just realized that the that the granny has big teeth and big is like oh. I'm in the wrong house. Oh i need to go back. Oh i had. I had a much higher impression of my ability to not be scammed in. Flimflam d- Soap why did they do that because it. Because that's what happens. I you know i. This is actually like a common running theme now in my discord where everybody is sort of very openly talks about how much they pay for broadband both like mobile mobile service. And what you're paying for internet. And i i love just drop the exorbitant amount of money that i'm paying for for what i get and just make everybody's eyes bulge out of their head. A lot of people in a couple of the of the regulars in are just quarter from lake overseas where they have much more equal broadband access for folks and make it a little more palatable for the wallet but not of the united states. I will say you know just in the spirit of today's So we are recording this on the day of the us inauguration of new president joe biden And vice president kamala harris. So it's been a big day for those of us in the states But also a really big day for for pie who was officially picking up his exit check. And somehow they're big enough for that huge reese's peanut butter cups mug. Oh god i forgot about that. Whole bed from john oliver. Yeah so. I was just thinking about that today. Just in the general conversation i've been having internet troubles myself and it's wild because i pay for gigabit internet. I just installed like top of the line. Mesh wifi because i am using one of the review devices that i had from the biggest motor round up and i was like let me try this kinda this new trying a different sort of mesh situation long-term because i'm just curious. My job is what. I'd be curious. Okay but i expected that all of this would fix my problems. And then i realized you know i'm actually running internet all day when the tv is on all day and that maybe very angry for some reason i i realized that. I'm not paying for cable separately. I'm paying for the over. The internet password access to a bunch of streaming and it's eating into a bandwidth cap and Anyway we could go down a huge rabbit hole of this and all the stuff that bothers me about broadband in this country. But it's it goes andy's right go check in. This is a good time of year to go do that. I that recently with my verizon bill. And i found out that they're giving me discovery plus for six months. So what did i do. I signed up. And i got my friends on board so we can all catch up on the ninety day. Fiance's a Bits and then we're gonna promptly promptly cancelled because i'm not paying another seven dollars for more reality. Tv like i say. Even i have to stop somewhere okay. So by youtube. Tv bill is big on is too much money already. And it's a huge luxury that i pay for hysterically funny looking at other options and as part like here some streaming options that we can also put on your bill as like sixty seven dollars and fifty cents for youtube tv the so-called cable killer. No no no no no pay eighty dollars a month. 'cause i also pay for hbo. And i like i like hbo. I'm one of those people who will sit down for dinner. Where tv family as i've said time and time again we like to watch tv while we dinner. That's what's that's background noise. Some people play jazz. They're much more sophisticated than me. I on whatever's on. Hbo and they have good family movies on their conduct. That's why that's why. That's the only premium channel that i gave up for a while and then like after three or four years like i got a got a thirty day like free trial. They realized that. I missed this a lot of really good programming. I'm liking some of their stuff. And they have all sesame street which kinda we put on for ramona and they have like the old stuff too so we can get like. It's for the child. Gets for the parents. The sin if i have to listen to in the background. I want to at le- snow that there are some jokes in there for me made by some bohemian stone stat. Worked at the sesame street workshop. So bless you all. Can i say that do a lot even happier with like how cool and how much you love like sesame street in the upper show and electric company when you realize that they would be higher when you see like a cartoon pizza animation. What the this. What they were doing was they were like a whole community of like off. Beat new york city like artists. That would if they if they would spend three months doing like to these animations and make enough money that they could continue to be just okay. This go picture is all oven doors man but you notice that. I've only cleaned half the oven door man and and if your mind has been blown yet i've hidden them throughout all the boroughs of manhattan and the map tells you things. I'm glad that they were they. Were there forced hip knees to have to finish and complete projects to understand contracts the but also to realize that. Hey if i wanna do my under my my my oven door magnum opus. I still have to make sure that my family has food and housing. So thank you for underwriting. Some of wonderful freaks of the new york city arts scene. I that's honestly. I've been thinking about that a lot. Andy as i've been served surveying like white is children's programming because i don't know i haven't been watching this stuff except for you know a couple of things they're saying oh adults would like it to But i'm surveying things now. And i truly wonder who the creators behind some of these things are. Because you know i. i'm raising a child. I want to put her down a path with people that i would probably attempt to align myself with maybe down the line. There's a definite difference between vintage sesame street and new school lake pop sesame street. You know not not to not trying to be a hater. But i'm just saying there's there's a there's a distinct lack of something so what an the this will know. We need to go get goings. But dull i will simply leave this as a thought experiment. Further people rather than go off on the twenty minute fascinating discussion with this would be my theory is that is the same thing that was happening. Sesame street is the same thing that has happened to like star wars. Because you started off with it was created by people that did not certainly did not grow up with star wars. So they were just going to like. What is the most rational thing for this character in this situation to do. What is the best direction to send the story. And now you have people who are actually even start we to get the kids who grew up of being raised by the kids who grew up on star wars. So it's like. Oh what if princess laya were like lara croft and she's goes off in this tomb hunting adventure and there's no steady hand to say. But she wouldn't do that. She is a really important like leader of a political movement. Like she's this is why she's not a jeddah. Uc she is way too important like directing the actual like technical movements. That will secure the no no but okay so she's so cute but but but they realize that no again so i think that sesame street does the same people who grew up on sesame. Street's they're trying to make like more sesame street sort of material and or the instead of thinking hey wouldn't be called to get stevie wonder to like play a number on sesame street they would think yes but let's let's pick apart. What stevie wonder a wonder would represent your right belt of no no play superstition. The little kids are going to have a good beat. The kids are gonna dance to it. Grover is going to be you know vibe into it. Because we'll be awesome. So i said i would say it again if i had to baby. Yeah take a break. But i think that was a good positive places top. I'm leaving you with with the image of grover grooving. i'm having eight wives going on by stevie wonder you're welcome. 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I didn't i didn't know the content of this ad when we started off doing the show today and so of course i started off by saying it's really really important that once once every once in a while you make sure you go back and check to make sure that what you're spending on broadband what you're spending on your mobile app plan all this other stuff. That are just regular stuff that you subscribe to services that you need. Make sure that you're getting the best deal possible. Because it's way too easy just to decide that well i just. It was fined during the obama administration. I'm sure i'm still getting a good deal right now. So it's important to do that kind of an audit every single year. I sometimes forget and usually it's wind up realizing that. Oh so i've been paying more money to get less service Well there's also there's also a good story to tell about the differences between switching wireless plans today than what it might have been like about ten years ago or so so i want you to. I'm going to paint you a picture. That once i it was two thousand five. Maybe i think and i was with Was with the. At and t. Is my provider at the time. And they had really really cheesed me off on a on. A customer service issue I bought a new phone. And the sim card from my old phone. Wouldn't work with a new one and they said oh look after lots and lots of phone calls and lots and of customer service discover that. Oh you need the the. The problem is that you've got a new phone. That does the internet and all that sort of stuff you need. A sim card. That has more memory on it. You have one of the old ones where it will have to do is send you anyone and so. I'm getting ready for okay. But there's like maybe just a fifteen dollar charge for for have that new simpson out and this. We're also going to have to foot commit you to another year on your current contract. At the time i was i was off contract. And i might. Prejudice is to stay off contract for reasons that makes perfect sense because you never know what the future is going to be like but also it really really just got up my nose. That wait a minute. There is no no technical reason why you can't just create a new sim card. Senate it to me. And i'm not on a i'm not i'm giving you something here and not getting anything return. There's no technical reason why you have to put me on like a year long contract to send me this new card. You're not reducing my ray to. You're not giving me new services or anything like that. And they're adamant about that. And i just escalated it an escalated it and i buy i've maybe i should re reassure you. I don't mean getting angry and anger. I mean like giving your supervisor okay. Don't give me your supervisor like okay. i'm not gonna. I'm not gonna talk to anybody less than antoine. At and t. the owner of this company and absolutely adamant. There's no way to do it. And so i hung up and i was really so angry about. This is about to just quit. At and t. And they were. They were my first My first cell phone company. Ever since i signed up with them they're at and t. and then they became similar than they became. At and t. again. That's how long. I had been their customer. That was willing to throw it all away because okay. Screw you if you're gonna if you're gonna hose me over on this who knows what you're gonna do in the future so goodbye goodbye goodbye. And the only the only things that kind of stayed my hand Number one was how complicated it was going to be two to switch by. Switch my mobile number because this was two thousand five. This was it was not as easy. Portability of numbers and portability of accounts wasn't mandated by law and no company had any economic reason whatsoever to make it easy for you so there's going to be a certain amount of pain involved in making that change and the other thing was that since two thousand five. The iphone had not been released yet but the rumors were hot on the trail. And at that point. I had enough information to have a really really good bet that. At and t. Was to be the sole provider Associated with the iphone. So i had to really sit down and think about how badly was willing to cut my up my nose off just just to have this completely empty victory over over company. That doesn't really care whether i stay a customer or not and always stuck to. At and t. I met admitted different decision. This time. If if Current rules were in place. It is easy to switch which just underscores again every single time every year or so. I try to do it every single january. 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Money back guarantee to get your new wireless plan for just fifteen bucks a month and get the plans shipped to your door for free. Go to many mobile dot com slash material. That's mint mobile dot com slash medical. Got your wireless bill to fifteen bucks. A month at mint mobile dot com slash material are thanks to mitt mobile for their support or the material podcast and all of relate. Fm all right so. I want to preface our first topic today to say the following news is officially commonplace. This is just something that we are going to have more of on this podcast and just the general vernacular surrounding anytime. We talk about google alphabet. It's part of covering these gadgets and technologies and we're seeing more of it because this is the time this this happening. This conversation is happening right now and it's happening on the inside. Employees yeah employees if cable. Tv show we would have the custom graphic and like the music flash for this does up when there's a really cool war going on. Yeah which is why. I kinda wanted to preface that way you know. Employees former employees other technologists are asking themselves the questions that are mirroring. What's happening currently in society at large. So it's natural that we're seeing this Into what was once an escape for many of us but no longer With that said when we first cupboard. I covered tim. Gabriel's untimely exit. I was a little worried that it was going to be kind of. You know flashing the pan kind of it's not to say that that's directly. What happened with the biggest walkouts That it happened back. In what november twenty nineteen. But we had those walkouts and then the conversation just sort of I wouldn't say withered away but it went quiet as we sort of geared up to deal with other things right because we've just been dealing with one thing after another circle. Yeah exactly. But i think that this next news item is actually evidence that the fires been stoking since that really big walkout and i think now in two thousand twenty one we're headed. I'm hoping that we're headed for some really major reform in the silicon valley workplace and I'd like to remain optimistic and hope that well. Let's talk about what's happening so axios reported this week. That google is investigating margaret mitchell. One of the leaders of google's ethical ai team and one of its founders now Margaret mitchell This investigation centers are on mitchell's use of scripts to analyze their email messages. She was looking for evidence that former researcher and ethical. Ai team co founder. Dr tim nate. Gebru had received discriminator discriminatory treatment at google Now since this was discovered her access to her company. Email and other resources have been locked and google confirmed to axios that she is being investigated. Their statement is as follows. Our security systems automatically lock and employees corporate account when they detect but the account is at risk of compromise. Do to credential problems or when an automated rule involving the handling of sensitive data has been triggered. So google's like joe it was just i t t t those those darn racists racists security code that we didn't write or whatever it continues in this instance yesterday our systems detected that an account had exfiltrated thousands of files and shared them with multiple external accounts. We explain the the employees earlier today. Now it's easy to think that this lockdown happened because sure it's automated. These are the rules and in any company. This would raise red flags because you know the whole daughter sheriff secrets with other places kind of thing and you know companies. That's why they have trucking and it departments that set these things on your laptops beforehand. You know tracker every movement so and so. The timing is a little suspicious especially following some tweets mitchell's indicated. They were directed at sooner. Pooch is visit to historically black colleges and universities One twitter thread which we will link to the show notes. If you curious to see it starts as us. Mitchell tweeted see you have a problem with consistently alienating black women and have caused serious damage in their lives. You could a try to do that. Damage or be. Try to find more black people to like you. The tokenism approach good luck dot dot dot dot dot dot So that tweet happened. And then that email access resources locked up it. It would make anybody think. Hey what's going on of course most notably. This also happened to dr tim. Nick gebru before Before she was fired her email. Privileges were locked down. She was unable to get any at the data before she was kicked out consensually So it raises a couple of Flashing red lights at another company. I'm my inclination. Might be okay. That's an interesting piece of data. Let's see how this unfolds when a company has a history of having problems exactly like these where the complaint before this has been no when you find when you have people of color when you have women when you have people of any sort anything outside of a certain narrow definition of a of the culture. You have they are they. They are intimidated into either staying in lying being very very polite not speaking out or they find that they're being booted towards an exit and not necessarily for reasons that make much sense so this is why this guy this is definitely get into a yellow alert. Because it's really is up to google to establish that. No no this is here is exactly what was going down. This is exactly why these reactions happened. This do you and also there They have to talk like a bunch of human beings as opposed to an automated script. The pr saying that here. Here's the here's x. Here is why we think that either this was appropriate or this was not appropriate and we will not appropriate. Here's how we're going to fix it. So yeah this is It's it seems glib and gauche to say that. Oh what is more problems at a time when google is is being investigated this way in that way and the other way. But it's more like again. Is this going to be the mark that they're leaving on society that the same this you know the the last week apple made a big announcement about how they're putting one hundred million dollars into a bunch of initiatives to towards Diversity in tech diversity in education and when you start to peel that apart you don't see oh well. They've had a bad history and maybe they're trying to cover up with good. Pr are not even. Oh well gee this is happening during Cas weeks maybe they wanted to have something splashy to counteract although materialistic hey look how big are expensive rolling screen is going to be but then the thing. Is you rewind. And you know they've been. They've had relationships with these grassroots organizations for a long long long time this also is consistent with a long history of activism that You can trace back to when steve jobs Left the company and tim cook became ceo and was a ceo who is more comfortable with being openly philanthropic and openly involved in community causes. And so that. And that's why you don't really quest that this is why apple has a whole bunch of credit going towards it when i read a press. Release like that. Morass when google says and here were we're making a outreaches and having meetings with historically black colleges as like okay a buyer the. Why are they doing that. Is this going to be part of a. Is this going to be part of again. We're having a pr problem with our issues with race and we kind of want to have. We want to have some pictures on the in the company who than do i don't sorry i had to put a pen away specific spy it was like really bothering me. That's the kind of person. I am by the way behind scenes it. I know. I don't want to say that. There are like good intentions behind this but it just looks. It's yeah you see what. I mean it. Just you know like when a cousin of yours who has had problems with alcohol. Alcoholism that they're trying to that they're trying to deal with. They've had their first and second chances and they suddenly go missing for about a week s. Stop that. I'm going to assume that that they're doing some they've been doing something bad. I'm saying the given the track. Either there's a difference between faith and and And blind faith and one must consider history in the this sort of thing. That's a at all and other news and like fired google employees so here. Here's one. That was absolutely now absolutely legitimate It's suspicious might not be explicitly laid out in the google employee. Handbook however if you are a senior engineer working at waymo in the self driving car division and you still over fourteen thousand files related to proprietary technologies thinking of sending files. Maybe maybe this guy. Maybe this is when google decided that we should have some sort of automated flag when people start thinking about him. When i read that when i was reading the notes i was like okay clearly. This automated system was implemented when that dude stall street secrets fourteen. Fourteen thousand styles and then again. Well that was bad. I mean that that's definitely going to get you a written warning in your hr but if you leave the company and found your own autonomous driving company and then sold to uber. Well gosh darn it. They're just gonna have to put their foot down. They were and the guess. What a judge agreed. The judge in the case over said that this would called it quote the biggest trade secret crime they had ever seen unquote and This gentleman by name of anthony lindau taos. Ski was sentenced to eighteen months in prison in august But good news if you are him or if you If he owes money to you because His name was amongst seventy-three pardons that were announced this morning and the very waning outlawry fewer last hours the trump administration The pardon memos cited as justification. That had already quote paid a significant price for his actions and he plans to devote his talents to advance the public. Good unquote so come come on. What do you want from him. He said he was sorry. Okay and he. He got fi- he no longer works. Ferber come on. What else do you. I mean he. He's he was a he was an executive who had got lots and lots of money. That was being paid a huge salary that no longer is being paid that huge salary by that one company. What do you want from them please. This is some wondering. What am i doing with my life when people like this. Get away with this stuff. Like why do. I play the book because clearly if i just with the right corrupt people again. I mean as a good good point because the The pardon was recommended by peter. Thiel the billionaire. Paypal co founder and tech venture capitalists. Who is now cocker exactly. He's he's a person who bankrolled the Bankroll the the lawsuit. That took down took down gawkers center central site Tighter navarette. yeah. So that's i don't think people are going to be knowing him as a even well even as a anti gawker jerk. He's even sort of superseded that he's going to be known as the very very super close trump adviser who led the man who was already whose gravity well was already sucking him towards bad things to find even more bad things for him to do that he would not have understood otherwise because he was not very very he understands how to run the twitter app on his cell phone much Also eleven ski had yet to begin serving his sentence so d- didn't even he didn't even have to be fitted for those special slippers or the orange overshoot. So so there's that so. There's that well i feel like that's a good stopping point for us to take a quick break and then when we get back we'll talk about some things that you put onto rest so in the midst of last week's attempted a virtual c. Es google managed to slip in an acquisition fitbit is now officially owned by alphabet. It kind of just happened. It's kind of like you know you go to school and monday. And then by wednesday. It just so happens it's stacey and john are apparently interrelationship and just like happened in literally forty eight hours and that's kind of how this fit. Acquisition happened. Granted we were talking about the whole eu agreeance to it. And you know we were. I was kinda waiting for that to happen. And then thinking that there was gonna be like some sort of something a little more ceremonial than this. It was definitely kind of shifty. They made the announcement in november of twenty nineteen and every single significant governor governor regulator government regulator has been complaining about it ever since. Yep saying that yes. This is one of the is one of the companies. We trust the least with personal information. This is also one of the companies we trust the least with acquiring companies and And becoming larger and larger and here you are trying to acquire one of the biggest Fitness slash health wearable companies in the world in the with with an incredible amount of personal information about health. You know what we. We're gonna make lots of time on our little calendars to be investigating. And i hope you're going to make some free time to talk to us. yeah the eu particularly has been hitting them hard ever ever since they just came to an agreement last month Including the binding commitments from google regarding how they're going to be using personal data they acquire through the acquisition. Google has stated that All of your health data of your personal data is going to not only do they. Have they committed again. A binding commitments. That they're not going to be using it in any way and they're ad businesses but also the data is going to be held apart from so that and so that there will be a gap so that these two technologies cannot even talk to each other. How that's going to be enforced or how they were going to be validated. Of course years unmentioned but the fact that it is a binding commitment means that hopefully the check that they would be forced to write for violating. This would be much larger than any possible profit. They would make from this. So the two companies just sort of announced that the deal had closed The league official blog post from google and fitbit of course timed on the same day Rick osterloh the senior vice president for devices and services says will work closely to create new devices and services that help you enhance your knowledge. Success health and happiness. Your privacy and security are paramount to cheating this and we are committed to protecting your health information and putting you in control of your data. This deal has always been always been about devices not data and we've been clear since the beginning that we will protect fitbit users. Privacy posts also tries to sue their nerves by assuring us that third party. Fitness trackers will still have full access to google's healthy. Pi and that fitbit users will still be able to connect their devices to third party health and fitness apps and services. So the idea being. Don't worry nothing is going to drastically change but we really mean it really means just not yet James park the fifth. Theo notably the only the only mentioned in both of these press releases that mentioned like binding commitments as opposed to. Oh sure we're we're going to type that into a blog post absolutely exactly is just the a bit about these separation between ad business and the fitness business james park the fitbit ceo and co founder sent out a bit blog posts and it was like moments after i went to my and i saw that i got like i don't use it by the way i haven't since twenty fourteen but i still got the email An in the twenty twenty one update the fitbit ceo rights becoming part of the google family. Means we can do even more to inspire motivate you on your journey better health. We'll be able to innovate faster. Provide more choices and make even better products to support your health and wellness needs. I'm sure that's true but To be able to innovate faster and provide more choices. I have a feeling you're gonna need probably a little more data because that's what you're going to take to the rnd department to try and make those. You know those decisions and those tweaks to the product. Which i get i understand now. Congress congress is not happy about this because they've got the grumpy faced emoji trending towards the red face team. Cutting the ears emoji over this announcement. is still reviewing the acquisition for possible antitrust violations But of course the government has yet to really intercede in the merger. Maybe they've been too busy with other things going on. I don't know their places of business. That's yeah yeah Now if the government challenges it on anticompetitive grounds the. Us government challenges at alphabet might cite the us findings in that case the conclude that the field of health wearables was diverse and competitive enough to dismiss the concerns. And i think the subtext there was that okay apple is absolutely handing you your but on this week we we would actually be happy if apple had some competition of any kind apart from the samsung gear. Watch so we're you are so pathetic that even that we can't even pretend that you are a threat to the to the market in this place. democrat senator from minnesota aby klobuchar. Nar clo- bush. Nar is how andy. I actually no idea that that's how you're supposed to say i've been saying her last name wrong for a long long long. Claimed the same thing by did i. I did a spelling check. And i did a soundcheck earlier today. It was helped by the fact that she was actually speaking at the inauguration today. She did the chad one of those and our social appropriately. Podiums senator amy klobuchar klusener see. That's why i want to put the accent on the second. The accents on the first but yes it sounds. It sounds better if you go by the way that it's supposed to be pronounced by the way my brain but anyway so She's in the senate subcommittee on antitrust and issued in median statement. Last week on the same day as google fits announcements willing to that in the show notes but little little bit google's announcement that it is closing its acquisition of fitbit wallet. Transaction is still under review by the justice department is yet another sign of the company's troubling lack of concern for complying with the antitrust laws the rush to finalize its steel before biden administration forces take charge is all the more disturbing despite the premature completion of this merger i continue to urge department to seek all appropriate remedies under the law to protect competition and consumers from any anti competitive edge caused by this transaction. Andy you made a really good note that it's a good bet that the senator will likely be named the chair of the senate antitrust subcommittee just based on this space on this quote alone. Yeah it's a obviously with a with the flipping. The house that means that a lot of a lot of directorships are going to be flipped over and This this cheese on the very short list of people who could be named of this also the now it certainly marines fact that neither party is very happy with google either party if they were in control of the senate would be aggressively investigating google and looking most unfavourably towards a major acquisition of this kind. But the fact that you have this very very vocal senator who obviously had this the statement pretty much ready to go Being able to hear hear the hear the wind as as it was blowing And the that she could be the head of the subcommittee and therefore really really direct. Where it's where it's limited resources and time are going to go. She is definitely not going to be heading a subcommittee that is Obama esque in its relationship with technology. Obama was very very famous. Hey we don't want wanna. We don't want to interfere. We don't we. Don't we realized that a lot of the american economy and the american innovation comes from the tech sector. And although we don't want to have a completely hands off policy we we would much rather litigate less than litigation more. That's not going to be the case. Under the under a democratically controlled senate and probably the same indications from the biden white house that that is not going through the party. Time is not is not back in effect. See i appreciate you. Andy gonna distilling some of that down As much as i pay attention to american politics. I sometimes miss those those little details and i think It just you know. I'm just thankful that. I can look forward to a time where i can just worry about lobbying instead of just the general demise of the world right. It's always about Let's we will talk a little bit about wairoa s but i. I just want to point this. This link to the customer satisfaction survey being sent around to those folks with wireless devices. Now i haven't received one. Because i don't use the world s to use a samsung tizen based wearable But some users are receiving a help us improve where west by google question-mark push notification which consists of one question overall. How satisfied are you with your summer to replied sitting in the corner in the box. And i haven't touched it since i decided to go ahead and spend a hundred dollars on it. See what this was about but even hundred dollars can get me to wear this watch The there are five options included in the answer. Section section The you know. Unfortunately there's no option for this absolutely is terrible. Have you not this better by now. That's unfortunate it's as a. I would say that as either a fitness watch or a health. Watch the best. I can say about it. Is that it definitely much like the apple. Watch it displaces. Oxygen is a physical tangible object after that comparisons tend to weaken. Guess if you're working on this project and you feel bad. I feel bad because i feel bad for him. You spend even one hundred dollars for thing that was supposed to start okay. People if one percent here a hundred dollars a lot. Although it's especially for a freelance journalist yes dollars sometimes like ten hours of work. You tired out here for free. That's so of course now. This all begs the question. Where do we see where west going from here. Where do we want it to go. How much do we want it And i mean this conversation could go any go any which way we've had it a couple of times before about things that we want But i'm at the point where i saw the news come through last week and i i just don't know i feel so far. Removed from the platform is a whole. And i'm so married to my galaxy active and i don't really see myself switching away anytime soon. Just because i'm blocked into something already. And i i got here because of the disappointment that i had with android wear. Yeah see i'm. I'm on the same position where it's a great news. I think that it's a terrific acquisition. This is this is classically what acquisitions are meant to be. Where fitbit is having is going to be having huge problems competing with with apple even though apple the the apple watch is an iowa only device right now But they're still they need a company like google to be able to have the international marketing support and the internet and the funding to continue to. And they're definitely competing on a features on a features standpoint but And so i find myself thinking that's i. I don't even hope that fitbit becomes a sort of like the hardware division of wairoa s. I kind of hoping that they will just be a left alone. They will have their own building that they end anytime they ask google for a resource or for. Hey we need the next version of android to be able to do this. They say yes sir. Yes ma'am absolutely sir. Absolutely ma'am. I'm not sure that i absolutely trust google to find a way of. I'm so gun shy with wairoa us at this point from having been a really big support in the early days to again i own a pretty okay generation where west watch and i never ever wear it and i found myself looking trying to justify maybe a buying a bit surge which is sort of like their version of the apple watch again highly competitive of really really nice looks great has all the features that you would want the all the reasons why you kind of want to have a fitness watch or healthwatch in this day and age and all the things that i felt as though i've been missing out on by not having an apple watch and i'm trying to i don't know whether or not i'm gonna talk myself into it but i'm sort of justifying it as even if what we're hoping for is that google releases brand new hardware that is not just simply the i watch where they tacked on fitbit features but the in two years three years time the first piece of hardware that is a fitbit device fitbit brand of ice developed with google. Maybe over the next two or three years. If i were to use this as as my as my fitness and health watch for two or three years that would justify the expense. Because i really do feel as though i missing out now by not having access to all of these features. I like the Back when i was wearing a when i was wearing an apple. Watch for a few months mostly just to try out the technology and right my review. I like the idea the had this window into how much. How have you been active. And how have you been failing to be all this little. Bits of data. That just helps you realize. Oh that's right to go take a walk yesterday. But i didn't realize failing to be active to. No no. No sorry i just. I know you're saying it in a pundits terms but i just want everybody out there to remember exact. Don't think of it as a failure. Okay mo- mostly really that the i will say in one sentence that the keyed speaking speaking as someone who you know at at what point like in his thirties recognized that okay. I have been really ignoring my fitness. And erin my thirties. If i make changes if i make changes in my thirties i will. Avoid caffeine prescriptions in my forties and surgery in my fifties. Yeah i mean. The information is important to have. It's it's the difference between. Oh it's great that. I take a walk every day but like that's not really right. Wing me the points. You know the the heart pumping that. I need muscle going kind of thing. What were the what what helped me out was not saying okay. I'm gonna here's here's going to be my fitness regimen. And here's going to be my eating. Dietary regimen is going to be no every week. I'm gonna. I'm gonna identified changes that i can make right now every week. I'm gonna do my very best to achieve those and i'm talking about things like okay now. I don't even want to have diet. Sodas in the house. And i'm going to be more aware of how much i move how much i don't move and it's and it wasn't and if you stop going this is. This is one of the reasons why the apple watch does so well that they don't necessarily go by numbers they go by. Here are three rings that if you close all three of them. You're probably artist you. I think that they could possibly do for people. Because it gives you the sense of satisfaction to see it and google fit has borrowed a little bit of that And samsung health. By the way does the same thing on the watch and i admit it is kind of addicting because it gamified it in a way. That's very approachable verses. Here's your regimen. You do this fifth. It was really good at the social aspect of that because it was very easy for anybody to get involved in fitbit when they launched it was what like sixty bucks for the bitty little sensor that you could clip onto like your your undershirt and so that was an easy way for anybody just kind of get in like you could just share your walks people so that way even if you weren't you know a big bike rider you could still share your status of walking around. The block was like a friend who's more athletic. And so i would like to see google try and lean and more into that But we have talked before about how i know that. There's like this huge long running joke about holy. Google acquires things and then kills it. And like i get it. It's like ha ha funny joke. It's it is whatever but let's maybe be a little critical and say like google. Don't just don't just take the technology enroll with it like you really got to do it. Make it a product that apple made made the the apple. watch a product. Like a thing that you have to own And so that's why i was so it was so important that Google make that announcement that we are not going to make google features were exclusive to google fitbit devices. We are not going to prohibit fitbit watches from interacting with other apps or other services. So if you're using it with strava using it for with other services. Nike fitness whatever. That's still good. We're not gonna make this completely exclusive again. That's that's not a binding commitment. But they have to. I think that they realized that there. They don't face the same thing that facebook is now dealing with with. What's up because now that they're doing the unification program where they're now. You're you're whatsapp. Data is your facebook data and vice versa. Right here seeing a day lou. A stampede of people leaving whatsapp for For other Secure messaging platforms because they do not want face but they never signed up. Facebook facebook on the splash screen folks. That's so anyway. Yeah it's it's it's fun. it's funny. Because i'm i'm still even faced with the idea. Well let's say that. I have three hundred fifty dollars to spend on a fitness health. Watch it really is between like the fitbit sense with which just got released a few months ago so it's not like it's old stock or anything like that but i'm still thinking that even given the inconvenience of having to keep one of my old iphones sort of standing by so that i could see that you need to have an iphone of associated with apple. Watch it's still a really good argument to say that. Maybe i should spend that three hundred fifty four hundred dollars instead on an apple. Watch even if it means that every week or two. I'm going have to make sure that it gets reintroduced to that. Watch a to to that phone to make sure that all the data is coming through and that everything gets logged to a central server so we will find out. I've the thing is this is. This is the time of year where all of the amazon associates credits that i get for like recommending movies and stuff during black friday starts to come in so it's not like it's not a deluge of like amazon credits. But it's like. I could essentially get this watch for free or for it. I don. I don't associate the. Hey wow this sufi cooker looks pretty. Gold is the lowest price of ever seen. I have this. I think it's really cool. I don't consider that to be work. So it's like i don't have to think. Oh but i don't. I don't deserve to treat myself to something nice because this is money that i had to work hard to earn. So it's it's going to be things going to be a deal. Well well well until it happens until it happens. And denial just be here. Putting out a podcast. I think i've anti i feel like that's that's the sandwich this week. Kind of left it open faced and i'm okay with that again. There's there's there's a certain amount of joy in the air. We won't harp on it but During the during the course of this show. I did order a double cheeseburger from you. Make me you know. This is okay here. All fitness yes. I know we're going to destroy that completely. Okay just this is on topic. I finally signed up for the google pay rewards because for some reason i wasn't getting that like onboard explore screen. The supposed to happen every time you use the app. And i found out that i have twenty percent off or something burger king so the session. The kind of wanted to like you have to ask yourself. Okay do these burgers freeze. Because i kind of feel like getting twenty percent off at six dollar value. Meal is not on air. Fryer if you don't have an air fryer the trick to the air fire or a convection oven. Which is what i have is. You can actually reheat fast food in it and it will come out. It's not like perfect is when you get it fresh but it will make it palatable and available to you because during this pandemic i've become more of a safer than i used to be like before i wouldn't save like a fast food fry. Now it gets put in the fridge it gets stored and it gets repeated the next day as a little snack. Because we're not wasting any pennies here so this is again. I will the fortunately at the very end. But i will still make sure that. I don't turn this into a twenty minute digression but this is we are living in sort of a golden age of retro-futurism because in every time like you have a movie from the nineteen fifties or sixties and seventies and they show like here is the kitchen of the twenty first century. It's never it's it's always like something like wall. We are putting a stake in a pot of water again. That's my sous vide machine while they're basically putting stuff into this pressure vessel then pressing some buttons on a computerized display fried chicken. Be very be ready anytime you want to pick it up and the air fryer like the the the thing that peru was like cooking vegetables in like in star wars were asked for decades. They wouldn't even go into the kitchen for decades. It'll be like oh here's a toaster but now it's six slots and okay. Well you know how you have like a a a better. How about a toaster oven. And that's what the people in the seventies and eighties and nineties had to deal with. We are living the future retro future dreams of our forebears and we grateful for this. That said i'm not cooking tonight. I'm going for a burger because i'm very happy. Well wealth Maybe you won't want to and in that case. If you want to know more about any in the first you can go to relay dot fm slash material. That is our show page Network and over there. You can sign up for a membership. Yes you can become a member of the show. You support us. You support the other hosts at this network. You should support the other shows. 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That i suffer perfect and then it registered to me. What you'd said okay. Thanks andy biggs No seriously thinking. Andy for everything you to as for me. I am slowly editing. Some work this week as per my new like part time working schedule. Whatever this this means this. This is going to be an interesting year of work. But if you want to keep up with me you can go to florence dot com my website or you can find me on the social media. Channels that that flew. Yes even tiktok yup exactly doing over there but we're going to be like eating ghost peppers and buying random people a thousand dollar luxury home like all the you're not taking off like i thought they would. People are just not that interested. Or maybe i'm not tagging it right. I don't know But hey next week come back. And then i'll. I'll tell you if i figured it out or not Okay for the next seven days. I hope everybody is safe. I hope everybody tries their best to stay happy. 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Friday 11 October

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Friday 11 October

"This is Monaco's you're listening to Monaco's house view first broadcast on the eleventh of October Two Thousand Nineteen on monocle twenty four saying that eighteen people were detained at Kito Apple and the majority of them were Venezuelan says accusations from the and a warm welcome to today's program I'm joined first of all by MARKLE's America's editor at large at stocker and it might be a shortcut to the snazzy wardrobe with your dreams that's all ahead I'm Tom Edwards Motorcycles House view starts now indigenous groups that make up around eight percent of the population now argument being that raising fuel prices is only GonNa make the economic inequality in good order because of violent protests what exactly it's been happening indeed you're right the government's move to Guac Hill from Kito basically a week of protests that started regime of Modano who is broadly speaking more more conservative or more sort of market friendly rather than his predecessor you get rid of subsidies to to feel that have worked a Lotta people around the country most notably doing says about the power of art artifacts in international diplomacy and he asks this more are fashioned it's Jamie waters will join me to ask if private rental let's start with Ecuador serious upheaval but it lightly over the past few weeks if a government relocates you know generally speaking things are not being accused of heavy-handedness from the place indigenous groups are climbing at least five people have died the government says that numbers only I listen I worked very hard getting ready for this we're looking at latte affairs and add all come to you first of all good to have you with us in London thank you as the opening gambit of the International Monetary Fund that is looming large Ecuador reached an agreement with them back in February for a cash injection really speaking over austerity measures imposed by the government of Lenin Modiano basically the decision by that government to the couple of years has this week been making the news for more of the right reasons more Nichols culture editor Lamelo will pack what a disagreement over one of the world's most famous you too and then on top of all of that really kind of swell of accusations and misinformation just recently one government minister is it too early or is it impossible to have a bit of a read on potential outcomes here is there a you know a stabilizing effect what could prompt nat- or does this feel excu days whether these indigenous groups are prepared to listen to the government the government has tried to table certain measures like debt restructuring for companies that is the important elections around the corner. We'll also hear from Chris NOCCO acting fast for a closer look at one of his home countries Australia which often if dates various austerity measures need to be taken in order to save money and put the country on the right path it really just depends on how good the negotiations are going to be over the net the in the country that tends to affect indigenous groups more the non indigenous groups even worse so they've been protesting the chick correspondent and Latin America Broadcast Linchpin jet an endo goes oh no snickering for tongue. We have an amazing turnaround in the next few weeks but it it really is down to the fact that the the the economy has been struggling again as I was saying read the risk of asking you an impossible to answer question you've described a situation that is fast moving it's rather fluid and has a great deal of uncertainty claiming counterclaim so often some you know economic crisis a lot of corruption scandals but the poverty level never reached at that point and when mockery was elected it was such a hope for a lot of Argentinians you know a government that Venezuela is somehow embroiled in this whole mass and they are wanting to destabilise the situation isn't great and I think really the reason that Mudie Sumatra is going to lose or looks like he will lose he he you know because he had this more kind of central image more market friendly but I mean he wasn't a very good president in those terms so I think that makes struggling but it's not enough for these groups so it really will depend on both sides being willing to to listen to one another otherwise could will whoever the next president is be looking to clean up I mean a big mess down to the economy as Manda was sort of alluding to a bit like you know so often in the region but if a powder keg well it's kind of and we'll get into about Argentina and strange the in both of these two cases there is the sort of figure I am I am F- and years of struggle and so this idea of going back to the IMF is very unpopular with boss. Wade's very easy for about two Fernandez the main candidate of opposition to win and Christina kitchen various mart as usual she was not leading candidate because she knows she's been talented she used to say sort of very sort of negative way that you know Argentina tended to have an economic crisis every ten years they were sort of just waiting for the international community is their investment in a potential winner is there someone that you know the broader world would prefer to see innocence I've been wondering because you know inflation is over fifty percent you know the past is just losing value there's been a devaluation oversee that was implemented by Argentineans in such a state poverty levels rose to eighty five percent which you can say anything you want a bonus Turkish near Chris acution redoing the presidency. There's over the country I I don't know how Argentina gets out of this sort of cyclical mess that it doesn't seem to be able to get out of I remember from the time that I lived there people four point two billion dollars and that sort of in a way the the bogeyman of the you know the the groups are against because obviously the IMF then dictate A divisive figure to say the least where where do we stand in terms of her popularity both within and I guess we'll see importantly without Argentina is at the end of the month alpes reports the release of prisoners linked to Christina kitchen his previous administration is this related to the possibility of electoral success for Care Kito Ecuador I've only been Jones I've only been there once but it's just the one time Newsweek let's go to Argentina though where with election I sort of sort of world-weary expectation that this is just the way things aren Argentina and sadly at the moment that sort of seems to be and Tina it is hated by some sectors of society because one can't forget the two thousand and one economic crisis which of course led to a huge bailout from the she has her like I don't know twenty five percent of the vote but then she'll get the moderate as well we've auto let me ask you obviously the benefit I suppose that much of a she's really been keeping a low profile like Fernando were saying she is tainted and she's aware of that she's been spending a lot of time in Cuba where her he is market-friendly so he tends to make investors and organizations like the IMF and the World Bank extremely happy compared to someone like this next up today with joined by Monaco's new acting affairs editor. Chris CIRMAC Chris Russian is going to be defined speaking of this of strangely cyclical nature of politics and under what about Kushner because you know some we've talked about so often around this table here has a fairly good relationship with many leaders around the world so I think a lot of people you know they feared the return of the populist measures of Kieschnick even though I don't think this will happen cree but again as I said earlier the the you know macrey had to go to I'm F which is a serious bogeyman if we think it's in bogeyman in Ecuador who announced indication's she's a Fernandez to make things confusing you know who are worried about populace measures is super interesting about this election is that we haven't seen what do these long periods of watching this country that incredibly close up or from your your station in the US what kind of mess perhaps Fernando well I think you know I would be very surprised actually if mark would pull off a reelection because you know frankly the the economy in motoric government we're not going to be the same as under Cristina Fernandez Decatur and the populace measures so I think a little bit of image smoothing is happening at the moment as well sure is actually L. and spending time there so she's been traveling a lot to Cuba I'm what's also interesting is that Fernandez Alberta that is has been eating itself I'm not saying it's going to be as as terrible as in two thousand and two thousand and one but the economic situation is really how this really escalate even further the inside serve at soccer did you have been your best in Buenos Aires in Argentina which will come to just a moment for awhile it spend much time in in we'll post face to the world perhaps yeah I think there's various ways that we can talk about that but when it comes to the politics it's been in the ice or even the international community AH rough few years for Austria I think they've become most famous or you know the chancellor they had a bus includes first of all became most famous for shutting down essentially talking openly quite openly about corruption that he was considering doing with with Russians so now we've had an election there crisis within the Freedom Party the sort of far right party that he was in coalition with which had this huge scandal of a video that came out of their leader essentially stopping the refugee crisis by shutting down the bulk convert back in twenty sixteen and then we've had this tremendous because this time she has a very different characters the main candidate we're very interesting to see how the relationship with Brazil will be with scenario because both of us had clearly that he a bit of a mix there but yes I thought you know we talk enough about the states and Austria has been specially in the news it feels like this week and on Monaco's various checks so had a similar shift recently of you know the the five star movement kind of I having a coalition of the far right and then now moving a bit for a lot of the votes from the far right Freedom Party after their scandal so now he's back in a position to form a government in Austria and he might do almost a comedian like swing cranston complicated and mixed but my father's Austrian so I do speak German I should say with a bit of an Austrian accent my mother's Americans think motives to market is that kind of president that is more respected abroad then in Argentina because he always you know looks like a statesman he travels of his from the Freedom Party on the far right to the Greens and that's that's everything you know everything that Joe is talking about right now would this actually be possible sending people to the US to try and show up the image of the next government he's trying to allay the fears of investors of business people to say this is going to be and what's fascinating to me is to put it in a interesting positive it's the same person coots who came out right on top he sort of stolen skepticism it's probably okay yeah I think I think it should be viewed with some healthy skepticism I mean for me it's interesting to compare it say with the with a place like Italy because Italy figure in the you know the the five star movement even though they are now back in government Lost a lot of support as a result of that Sebastian quits I find fascinating the far right by being quite anti immigrants in in much of his rhetoric at it's meant that he has been the central figure and stayed the central figure of Australian politics instead of the far right and that gives him now this opportunity to try and swing in the other direction again I do find that fascinating one of the things that he said quotes he gave because there are few as you mentioned so the very monocle friendly reasons why we're interested in particular does it feel a bit like Australia is I don't know showing a bit of a new Dr Movement struggled for a long time to rein in Salvini on the far right if you will they sort of took all the oxygen out of the room if you will Slovenian he became the main gentlemen fantastic to insights from both today that's Monaco's at stock and Ferdinando Gustav Sheku here on Markle's house view and we'll be right back after this because he has somehow managed to keep the far-right at bay during this coalition and there was obviously a scandal that brought the far right down some ways but even before that he's sort of taken the two left again what the interesting thing maybe you know as much as you can have skepticism about the interesting thing for me about Austria is in the case of Italy say the fives over some newspapers on the briefing and Chris you're GonNa talk to us a little bit about Austria but tell us first why you are particularly well placed to do exactly so being preconceived wisdom about the structure of this political spectrum from from one side to the other and that maybe true or is this alarming about someone who can shift oh come to you thank you very much good to have you in the studio you you sound surprised to be here you are regular listeners of course will have spotted or heard already view coming up today a special appearance from our beloved America's editor at large ED stocker for a round up on what's been disruptive week in Latin America and look ahead on and that's this is where it gets interesting right how far should he go should he have not gone in his rhetoric in his policies he's sort of taken the wind out of the about cooperating with the Greens for example migration he feels might not be much of an issue because he sort of united in and he just said well nobody is in favor of illegal illegal in wax and wane like that I don't know cause for concern when someone can as you called it chameleon like a reinvention I guess as long as we view it with certain degree of healthy that we won't get into let's talk a bit about Australia exactly a lot of the press if we're looking Austrian politics particularly not super positive over recent times but things may be shifting I four somebody who seemed to be very far right to then go to the New Orleans for coalition well I guess in some sense is one should welcome such a shape shifting and and look at how it's challenge hidden want a better financing Christina to win then I think it'd be a terrible relationship between Brazil and Argentina but let's wait and see who's GonNa win I mean yeah I mean the Max also it was good it was good opportunity to introduce myself I'm talking about one of my home country is exactly one of one of your home countries I feel I feel envious particularly big and Britain gratien and nobody's in favor of people drowning in the sea either so I think we can come to an agreement on this he certainly capable politician nothing else and a and a man who can work the room work the space well so politically things may be back on the rails for Austria which were ongoing Chris Segui facts if you needed reminding my name's Tom Edwards from me and all the rest of the team thank you very much tuning in in just a moment we'll have a word Monica's house view from fashion editor Adia from the Germans it was a German postal worker who first proposed essentially sort of mass producing publishing postcards and having this as a souvenir the idea of fifty years of the postcard and what intrigues me about this particular is that I never knew this was an Australian invention and yet maybe I was right because we oh resale of items has become easier more commonplace than ever before but other companies are starting to branch out offering common rental facilitating transact transaction fame for for different inventions that have been created and I'd say Austria is no different I find it interesting because in this case they yes they in some ways you could say they stole it a postcard self had already existed as well format but nobody had done it as a souvenir or something that you send around through the post and a year before This one hundred fifty in my experience of the German ones was not as positive I did a trip from Berlin to Frankfurt on the trains and it was one of these where was in you know carriage with six other people yeah so this is an interesting story I think because it's an opportunity maybe that Austria scene and those who have heard Tyler would have heard about this but yes it's an option it was the next from across the like these origin stories tell us briefly about this one so yes origin stories are always complicated aren't they every country likes to claim a certain amount the next thing you know various other countries that's a lovely idea we're going to take that as well and you had it in you know it moved to Canada and Germany eventually as well and other countries and we can make make the night train sexy again and they're doing a tremendous overhaul which I do think which I also agree make sense 'cause like you I've done this I've done this trip Austrian has taken when essentially Germany's Deutsche Bahn shut down its overnight operations and Austria's kind of swooped in and said well we see an opportunity here me anniversary the Germans decided thought and thought long and hard in this postal worker was like I'd love this idea we have to do it there's a huge discussion the German Postal Service and they decided no it's too Oh and it was all quite dingy and it was an old train and just it wasn't this sort of glamorous experience that you imagine so I'd welcome a bit of an overhaul from the Austrians on this now I fashion rightly picks up a stick for its deplorable carbon footprint while fashion houses waking up to this developments in tech comes enabling action at the consumer end as well between fashion Easter's Jamie autism uncles fashion editor joins me now to tell us more what do you make because this is a trend that we've talked about for some time I think I don't know maybe it fits with soda the old imperialistic if you will ambitions it Austria once had to now go back to the old the overnight train time and it's certainly something that's not going anywhere yes I mean sustainability is one of those things that everyone generally is talking about rush on doing it a year later Australia well we'll take it we're happy to do this. We find this a great idea Austria Hungary in those days and they went for it and then right Matt Spider that we can all get on board with wow another pun I'm on I'm on fire today let me just ask you very briefly about another sort of anniversary one hundred. I don't think you're right there helping these accusations charges so-called greenwashing in certain areas but I wonder is this being driven by more sustainability minded consumers Tori House I guarantee you he'll write back to everyone receives every every single one of clunk he's not crossing he's crooked fingers or anything I get from you it's it's definitely like probably they major talking point in the fashion industry at the moment and it's one of those terms that kind of can be used and

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NPR News: 05-23-2020 8PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 8 months ago

NPR News: 05-23-2020 8PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Janine herbst. In Minnesota the state's Democratic governor has reached an agreement with faith leaders on the partial rehabbing of houses of Worship Matt's epoch of Minnesota. Public radio has more. After Minnesota retailers were allowed to reopen this week. The church leaders said a continued ban on in-person services defied reason following you. Cdc Guidance Governor. Tim Walls allowing religious gatherings of up to two hundred fifty people or twenty five percent of buildings capacity. Whichever NUMBER IS SMALLER WALL. Says he made the change after discussions with twin cities. Archbishop Bernard Hebdo and Lutheran leaders public health requirements throughout time have required. Us collaborate together. We are our brother's keeper in this case the rules which take effect this Wednesday also allow funerals and weddings but not receptions afterward for NPR news. I'm Matt set in Minneapolis. New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo says two more regions of the state could phase one of reopening next week does radio from member station W. H. U. has more the mid Hudson region. Just north of New York City could reopen Tuesday and long island on Wednesday if they can increase their contact tracing staffs that would leave only New York City. Shutdown CUOMO SAYS. Social gatherings of up to ten people are now allowed. Some New York. City officials had condemned the move but Cuomo says small gatherings are approved by the. Cdc You can have a safe gathering of ten. It depends on what people do some beaches in New York. Open this weekend. At half capacity many local officials have restricted beach access to residents only in response to New York City's decision to keep it speeches closed for NPR news. I'm desert Yorio in New York. Cova Nineteen vaccine developed in China appears to be safe and show signs of stimulating the kind of immune response that would protect against the disease. Npr's Joel Palca reports. The vaccine is made by can sign on biologics in Tianjin. It was tested in one hundred eight volunteers. At three different dose levels. The vaccine did have side effects most commonly pain at the injection site and fever. Some of the fevers were severe. But none of the adverse effects were long lasting. Although the small study primarily focused on whether the vaccine was safe to administer the people researchers did see a promising immune response and most participants and expanded study looking at five hundred. Volunteers now underway. The results appear in the Journal. The Lancet Joe Palca. Npr News health officials. Say a second hairdresser from Great Clips Salon in Springfield Missouri has tested positive for Covid nineteen possibly exposing more than fifty people officials say. They're working to notify clients. But that stylist and clients wore facemasks. This comes a day. After health. Officials said another silence at the same salon worked for days while symptomatic possibly exposing more than eighty this is NPR. After two months of steep declines and passengers airlines are seeing their businesses. Start TO PICK. Up Air travel data compiled by NPR. Shows the number of people flying has tripled in recent weeks but as NPR's David Schaper reports. The recent increase still isn't filling many planes more than three hundred thousand people pass through. Tsa Airport security checkpoints on Thursday. That's the highest number since March. Twenty third and triple the traffic volumes of just a month ago flight tracking data show. There are more planes in the air to and those planes are carrying on average thirty nine passengers per domestic flight up from just ten in early April and more people are booking flights online. He Liebenberg is chief. Economist with travel APP hopper demand levels are still significantly lower than they were at the beginning of the year and even over the past ten years but there are strong positive signals. Still the airlines are burning through tens of millions of dollars a day and bracing for a long slow recovery David Schaper. Npr News Chicago the UN disarmament office is warning that cybercrime during the pandemic is on the rise at an informal meeting of the UN Security Council. Zuma NOCCO Ameet Su said there has been a six hundred percent rise in militias emails to sense. The virus broke out attacking healthcare organizations and medical research facilities around the world. She says growing digital dependency is increased the vulnerability to cyber attacks and says that it's estimated one such attack takes place every thirty nine seconds this is NPR.

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Material 262: Walk the Walk

Material

1:34:49 hr | 7 months ago

Material 262: Walk the Walk

"Don't. Good Morning. Good afternoon. Good evening wherever you are this material podcast episode, number, two, hundred, sixty, two, and I'm your host. Florence I on and I'm joined here virtually by my co host Andy Nocco, Hyandi. Hello, it's exciting. We have another dramatic episode number. This speaks well of of our fortunes for today. It's true and if you add it all, because apparently, I've taken to doing this. It is a number ten, or if you're doing numerology, it is number one. Supposedly that would see some things about us. We don't have time to get into it It's dead. Andy I you know it would like. Are you doing anything to prepare for the country's annual reminder that we stole land? From Its native peoples. Well. kind of I do I. DO HAVE THE TEAM USA Baseball Jersey that I mentioned last week. and it's I did take it outside, I believe. I mentioned it last week. It is it is my is my selection for I want to be part of the a a patriotic sort of holiday slash acknowledgement. Slash tradition. However I want to do. I want to choose an article of clothing that indicates that I'm not a colossal jerk. is going to wear no mask, but thirteen guns in public to show. That can't be pushed around. I simply am fond of the fact that at a time when both sense of grant with when three of my four grandparents desperately needed to move out of eastern and central Europe and needed a good place where they land that there was a country like this that would allow them to land here in becomes that dozens, and that's I though I'm not I'm not fond of the entire playbook of United States America. I am fun of enough of it to continue to stay here also on the on the negative side, however the. Humor MIC Sweeney's says Internet tenancy. I'm a I'm A. I'm a I'm on their patriotic, and partly because sometimes they have like special. Hey, look, we're short of like material on this subject. And they were doing his. Hey, we were desperate for fourth of July stuff, and so I wrote a piece about a flag protocol. They're they're like formal flag. Protocols that remember that to the banner should be in the field should always be this way the and so I I wrote a set of formal flag protocols for people flying a like six by twelve foot American flag on the back of their pickup truck. And good stuff. Unfortunately, too. I think two thirds of it I can keep the other third of it is admittedly making some value judgments of the sort of people who have a pickup truck and choose to put not simply a reasonably large flag on it, but the again the eight by twelve foot. We stole this from like an airport sort of flag and I feel as though that's that's kind and that's not. That's not the sort of spirit that I want to. Okay I'm lying. I'm saying I'm trying to figure out if this were the the one of those jokes are funny enough to justify making a huge a judgment about the people who again are driving past the airport. They see that eight by sixteen foot flag that is perfectly reasonably sized for the flagpole outside an airport and decide. Hey, I benefit comeback. After the airport is shutdown and stole that that would look really really nice hanging off the back of my truck you. You know we do this with Romanian. Flags family it was it was like a thing I guess for a short while everybody in the community that I was a part of growing up, and just put. Romanian, flag stickers on the back of their cars or like little e you bumper stickers. Let everybody know we remain. Yes, finally to the YOU and look at us, we're. We're European we're we're. We're not from year and then you know bad stuff happened. Those stickers turned into American flag stickers. So, yeah, I don't know I. Guess the allegiance to that. Just Kinda went out the window for whatever reason I just am personally excited. for a couple of days off usually fourth of July or any other major holiday like this is a good time for freelancers. Just take a break because you know usually our emails. Your inbox is dead. You know editors are out. No one's answering. No one cares about your missing invoice. Their vacation accounts payables nowhere to be seen near their computers, so you might as well go off and enjoy your time that you have without having to do any work so I decided that this weekend What I'm going to do is eat a lot because that's. That's pretty much the only thing that I can do. We have like a long list. Of A food that we've put on the fourth of July menu and let me see if I can pick it up. You're a habit. I. Have It in paper. Form Right here in front of me because I still use paper, and as I'll show Andy in our little skype window. It's all it's all markdown with washy, tape and color as well. Listen Andy. You understand that this is the anxious brain at work on a piece of paper. This is what it looks like. This is just my brain color coded so for the July food includes. A rack of ribs. Have, you ever heard of something called Mississippi Caviar. No I assume it's testicle related however. No, absolutely not it is let me look it up. Actually so Mississippi Caviar is basically a delicious dip made with black eyed peas. Black eyed peas, black beans Italian dressing Jalapeno. Peppers Bell Peppers If you want a here in California, we had a little kill for your flair by just adding avocado. So so that's on the menu. Mississippi Caviar which are requested Mac and cheese which we ordered from our local. Local. Catering place. It's been doing like fancy meals for those of us at home. So, you know it's Dow's in like four different kinds of cheeses and plus some breading. hotdogs various types. We have your regular hot dogs. A your energy, your regular beef frankfurters your regular, just brought and for me, chicken apple sausage which I enjoy. s'mores as a dessert, so that's on the venue. Go Out, and you know we're GONNA or perhaps make them over stove. We'll see how the wind bears that night California fires can I float something out there? Yeah I have a very heard of a of an kitchen kitchen tool known as the sears all. Yes, I think I. Have It's a? It's a thing you put. Put on the end of of the business of a propane propane torch so that you can see her steaks and stuff when the told me about this, you told me that you made s'mores using this. Yes, 'cause, didn't you get one of these? Three Amazon, recently, a look I got one a long time ago, as for for reasons that have been lost to the of history. There was there was some sort of like Chris I think it was some sort of end of the year thing where the local supermarket thought for some reason that everybody would be having like one final campout or cookout or barbecue, and therefore we need to have wall to wall, like per she bars and more and more craft, marshmallows and boxes of Graham crackers in the store. And then the date came and went, and they realized they'd seriously overestimated the general public's need for. For S`more supplies in a related related supplies that wound up like coming home with like well. Okay for that price sure I'll take some of expecting fully expecting that I was just simply going to enjoy Graham crackers and then realized. Hey, wait a minute I do have this series hall and I do have heat resistant like plates and stuff. There's nothing stopping me from Wa watching this movie in my living room like making s'mores so long as I. Don't hold it over. Slam -able furniture. And I'll be darned that the fact that I didn't hurt myself or burn anything down, meant that it couldn't possibly be as dumb idea as any of our listeners thinking that it must have been. Well also desert, so that's going to be the topping off of the whole with the thing that I'm really looking forward to. And this Meighan to the territory of of too much for our listeners ears, and so just won a scituate with a content warning but the thing that I'm most excited to indulge in this weekend. NACHO cheese. and. I'm talking NACHO CHEESE AND AJAR. Talking about? You know what I'm talking about the liquidity. soupy NACHO cheese that if you're heated up and you're mixing a little salsa, you've got yourself a nice to slow. You know festive dip. If you, WANNA get real wild. You could take some of that cheese and you could dull up it on each. Everyone your hotdogs. I love Nacho cheese from jar I very much looking forward to this. That's that's how you enjoy your time off not only in quarantine, but this is just just I. You enjoy your time, you know. I'm a connoisseur of food, but as we all know, I love to watch garbage so naturally. I also love to eat garbage. And that's what I'm really looking forward to doing this weekend, so I'm going to be doing that. While wearing I bought US I don't know if you can see in the back, but I bought us. Little like or these giant fourth of July necklaces. Just like where on the house like Rodway Nilo? You know 'cause I just that that's the most that in and my fourth of July scrunchy which I've been wearing all week in American flag scrunchy. So that's that's my quote. Unquote patriotism, it includes cheese in a jar sell to Sita's brand by the way is my favorite choosing Ajar in one hand, aerosol cheese, and the other hand that's. For my husband is into Aerosol. Of Taste, excitement in America sleep can't do that. I actually cannot do cheese in a can. For some reason that goes too far from me, but my husband loves it. He'll just like a walk into his room. Sometimes I don't even know that he bought it. 'cause usually he does the grocery shopping. You know thankful to him for that. I'm a upstairs and open the door and the baby's on the floor. You know trying to roll around and he's over there with his big beard on because he hasn't shaved in God knows how long. and. Just just cheese in the mouth. Just just right in there just squirt knit box of crackers here on the desk, not being touched. Cheese in the mouth. But you know. You really you really have to. You really have to have the talent to be able to take cheese that way so I think I. Just don't have it I. Don't have that in. Each their own. I'm not judging if this if this is what pleases him if that's the delivery mechanism of choice. I I'm I'm older. I want to have like a I wanNA. Give it more of a sense of occasion because I. Don't treat myself to aerosol cheese all the time, so I make these or d'oeuvre, I take oreo cookies. I twist them apart. So you take the top half, the Orioles you put aerosol cheese on it, and then you take like some sea, salt and a couple of like rocks. On that, and then you have a lovely holiday like because for any holiday because you can spell out words with the aerosol cheese, that's one of the things that those snooty Frenchie files P with their soft cheeses and their artisanal deep cave methods. You know fine show that's that's a lovely breathe. That's been made by your family members via the same methods in the same production line the past hundred forty years. How do you say Happy Birthday Nanna? With that bree you don't. You don't. It's very very hard to bold breen to that way I will certainly, plus it's like it's like twelve twelve year cure. You have to know twelve years from now. You're going to be having a birthday for your mother that you're going to be inviting. You're going to. Save Them Yes. Yes I. Don't have a life together to that degree, even when there's a wholesale pandemic and effect. I have to say by the way I did not indulge in bree at all. I was pregnant. 'cause. You're not supposed to have soft. She says and I have to say I didn't Miss It. Miss Bre-. You know what I did. Miss though I missed cured meats a I'm not I'm not really a beep person. I'm already just kind of like. ooh, that's a. that's a muscle. That's a thing you know, but but I can get behind a cure meat, so maybe it's the eastern European in me the fact that most the meat that we eat has been cured. You know in a in a cold storage place somewhere at the very end of the village so. Anyway that's how I am enjoying fourth of July, and do you have any plans? For the July this year, not. Not particularly obviously I'm not like meeting up with any people, usually fourth of July involves like if somebody having a cookout, and are they inviting me to drop in anytime? Fortunately because I live in a touristy area, I can sort of manufacturer. The simulate a sort of like fourth of July weekend, even though I'm really just sort of staying in my house, trying not to cook and like. Take out stuff like that. There is I'm not sure if I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. Try to go to the town. Beach I see I I've I've decided that you know you know how? Dj, Maverick now has like the mini. Mini, quad, copter and it's only like four hundred dollars, but it's a very very well made like quad copter, and it's like you can fold it up so that it's about the size of. I don't know like a miniature football or something like it's smaller. You can put in a bag. I'm thinking that maybe for stuff like this I should buy one of those. And basically use it as my drone scout for corona virus where I go like I. Go to like my my little back deck I send it up in the air has has a range of about a mile which I think is would be like point to point like maybe twice the distance to the town beach. Because you're walking, you have to all you have to walk on. You can't just walk across water so I would send the drone out flat out. To See, is is it super is a super crowded and or are there people there who are like so who aren't socially distancing in which case you know, what maybe I'll just go get a pizza. Maybe I'll just go get some fried clams nearby, and that's it, but once the drone reports that all is clear, so that's I mean basically using this as an excuse to see because I kind of really. Really WanNA drone wanted to drone for quite a while now, but if it's a health related thing, who could you know who could have predicted? We'd be in the middle of a pandemic, and it would be really really important to have lifeless Solis emotionless drones that could conceivably be a platform for a weapon. Should things really go south next year or the year after that I couldn't afford seen that I? Can't be faulted. For not having budgeted for it. Okay, but but. I guess we have to swing this towards schools eventually, but I will That's it, but I will I will say that. I'm getting a little bit. More annoyed with The channels that I watched on YouTube With each passing week of this thing, because yes, yes, it's now most. I will say that most of the channels I. Really Really Love our fellow nerds like myself like here is the the winter garden a channel where this music where the this musician is alone in his studio slash workshop building this musical marble machine all alone. And he's been doing that for the past two years or Tecmo, and where this lovely person, lovely English gentlemen outside of Liverpool like buys like old tape decks and weird old technology and fixes them again alone in his home Bernadette Banner who's channel I love. She is alone in her apartment. In New York City, sewing things and being brilliant added those and and. And, of course, those people are there is no I don't feel as though I'm enabling any bad behavior, but then there's the stuff like a couple of channels where it's people with scuba gear, who will like scuba dive at like places where people get drunk and get into inner tubes and lose their apple watches an US lose their sunglasses and their rings and. He'll he'll, he'll go. Areas and see how. Dumpster diving at the makeup like stores. This. It's incredible. It is worth watching because oftentimes like particularly in the summer again. These people are drunk, which means that they're careless? They're careless enough to say hey. I just got a twelve hundred dollar phone I. Know I'll take it with me. Unprotected floating drunk down a down river and getting sunburn, and so he will often come back with like a dozen. Like eight hundred hundred dollars phones so and I like this show I like the channel. He's good at what he does, but then when. Like in May as Memorial Day weekend, it's like Hey, look I'm out here. We're at the you know. Colonel Von Splash Berg Splash Park here in the here in like Florida, where thousands and thousands of people are out here, enjoying the Moreau, Weekend Yeah Rick Cups in the Air Wu. Said Okay Dude, you're not wearing a mask and none of these people are wearing a mask. And they were crowding around each other, and around you to get into the shot to do the Red Solo Cup in the air cheer. I'm suggesting that maybe as a channel that has like a well over four hundred thousand subscribers. Perhaps you're not being a proper role model if Your own safety is bad enough, but you're encouraging. People think that it's normal to not want to aid to be out Memorial Day weekend and be to not protect also. Do you have scuba gear? You could be wearing. Your own self contained air supply as you drive to this place as you walk, Troy. I have to see this is why this is between me watching your channel and during your channel and saying you know what I'm Gonna I'm GONNA become a GonNa join your patriotic. Give you like a dollar or five dollars a month, because all the other people I mentioned I'm giving them like some money a month because I feel as though I want to contribute to the financial well, being and security of channel I. Don't want to encourage against a scuba diver coronavirus guy to continue to foolish things will. Contribute to his go fund me when he's in the hospital for like three or four weeks. I hope he's not, but maybe he will be but now. I mean. Has he not seen the maps. The maps of where everything is spreading. Although if you look at the maps, you'll see that. It's really bad where I live so. y'All can throw stones at me I. Guess Because I'm just I'm I am I. Am in a Glass House as they say, not going anywhere except. Except last week, I did go I. Did leave the House Two times and it was weird. It was weird. One time I went to the coffee shop my first time in months my time since my daughter was born. To the coffee shop. which. Means was almost five months ago and God. I Miss Them I. Really Miss The people there and I suspected the usual suspects were sitting outside without masks on. I knew who was going to be, he was going to be the same gaggle of of men that are in there the just they love too loudly. Talk about the guns. They own and and the police officers. They're very close friends with. The. Every for every fifth sentences. What's that GonNa do to our taxes and then seizes nothing good. Yeah, yeah. been there every morning since I moved here nearly ten years ago. And the other day I also went to the grocery store. which was Wilde's It was so surreal being in there because I had not stepped foot in their February since the week before my daughter was born and we went. We bulk shopped that we would have a bunch of food in the freezer for when she would arrive and we'd be screwed out of ever cooking again. It was it was a lot. I was very happy to see that people were wearing masks so I was very happy. And I and I'm noticing that now. We're really taking some liberties with it Kinda. Kinda integrating it as part of our lives, so my husband and I, we've taken to just hoarding all the cute little masks that we can find from like se shops I'd recently. I got this cute little mask in the other day, and it has like any bitty little Bart, train's on it and the bar. Trains are wearing masks. Cute and I just thought it was adorable, and so we've been buying cute little masks like just aware, because if you have to do something for you, know the goodness of your community to help protect other people. You might as well look doing it. You know you might as well just get into it, and that's how I'm embracing this whole mask wearing thing and I just wish the rest of the world would just catch on a little bit. You know just Kinda Yeah. But. I don't know so I'm thinking. Maybe by wearing these cute masks I will inspire people. They'll say that's a really cute accessory. One of those two and maybe that's how we can enact some change I. Don't know I I agree with you wholeheartedly and I've been thinking the same thing. I have been more than a little bit annoyed to find that again in a touristy sort of like historic. Old Fashioned de village e the has like restaurants with Patios that have reopened people who are like pollen, their butts in from like twenty to forty miles away because Oh. Let's go someplace quaint, and we'll have like food that we won't have to actually just drag back into the house and in from the TV again and rather I feel I don't care if if I'm the only person like in the. The that I see in the entire neighborhood as I'm walking up and down the street like we're wearing a mask. I feel as though my presence will remind people that Oh right masks are still thing three I I myself. They're thinking I'm not wearing a mask, but it's not because people aren't wearing masks. It's because I personally am not wearing a mask and perhaps I should do something about that. It's it's some wild times right now. Andy, we just really. Just really. We're just really gotTA look out for one another. Yeah Yeah. Shall we take a break because we have? We have some. We have some youtube news that has. I was going to say it's good news because it has nothing to do with the destruction of Google and Youtube as we know it, which is oftentimes enact one feature My actually have something to do with disruption of humanity as we know it, so that might be. There pluses and minuses to our lead story today. Let's just say yeah. Let's take a quick little break and when we get back, we've got a lot of news on drama. Get in one point, Oh, and two point Oh. So this week's act one big story was kind of I would like to take. I would like to take full responsibility for for planning this inside Andy's head, because what happened was I, was listening to my usual corral of like pop culture podcasts you know advice podcast things of the sort and. A one of podcast hosts who I particularly admire Molly macadear. She is pretty great, and she did a podcast. Kinda distilling down all the drama of Drama Gettin one point zero, and then the follow up two point Oh. Because one point our basically come under fire about two weeks ago, so it Kinda started around like June. Twentieth is when some of the straw started to circulate on Youtube, and then, and then the whole d platforming of Shane Dawson happened, and then it just became such a big story that. Funny Enough Andy when you did the notes today, so Andy is hilarious because he votes. Basically, it's basically his internal monologue as he's reading. What what I basically seated him wet says like Andy here's what you need to Google for today's notes so far. It's kind of what I because. I wanted to see what your reaction would be because I get I. Get joy out of that I really do because i. get joy out of you coming into my world of just like all this this ridiculous pop culture that just for somehow really taking a stake in humanity. It just happens And so the the notes are just filled with with fun little. You can say passive aggression. There's I had to get myself through this I. Mentioned Perez Hilton as a source at one and I know you know press Holton because he was, I mean he's a terrible person by the way, and he was very terrible celebrities especially in the early two thousands, but that's actually where I got my second rundown endre. Magadan was press Houghton snapchat. Which I just a SEC. Okay well, that was a very thorough rundown of what's happened. Okay good to know all right. So what is flow talking about? While flow is talking about. There is a lot of drama happening. I mean there's always drama happening in the Youtube beauty grew community whatever circles. There's always drama there because that's how these people make money. Make money by facilitating in creating drama amongst each other, and then the people who are into this world. They go out in the by their meka pallets. I. Don't know how this. How this came to be but. It's not. It's not exactly like the the the famous like Harvard Business School story about the how how the company Fedex was founded it. It's like it's very non linear business. Plan it successful, but let salsa knowledge that it's very non linear well. It drives me nuts because I you know I. I went to college and I did like all this work to just like get a job, and then here you have these beauty gurus and they're just. They're creating this nonsensical drama amongst each other and making millions and millions of dollars off of this. Fabricated drama, which maybe some of US would call them geniuses nutcase case, but that's another here, nor there so Shane Dawson who some of you may known. He has been referred to as the quote Unquote King of Youtube which is. Obnoxious he's a terrible person and. How very journalistic of me? He's a terrible person. He is allegedly. According to according to reports, I, honestly all my journal. My journalism is whatever just go out the window when I'm podcasting, because it's just too much. Do Anyway. So just caveat there. And Jeffrey Star who I do know from kind of the early days of private or not private, but public chat rooms I. Don't know if you remember like Chat Roulette, and like those really awful services that were around in the mid two thousands That's where I know not that name, but they've been called out with a makeup youtube community for consistently offensive and ugly behavior, and there's been a larger movement to kind of help shift that power over to a younger more enlightened and more diverse community of creators a, and this is all completely totally valid by the way, and we'll get into I, so she dawson has twenty one million subscribers, hence the title of King of Youtube. And there was a New York Times article out about. kind of what this controversy how it started. Name, call controversy. It's just. Ridiculousness. So. Here are some of Shane Dawson's past transgressions, just quick little bullet bullet point form billions of views on youtube, but by engaging offensive humor, including several videos in black face, mocking those disabilities jokes about Bass, geology, sexualizing minors. One of whom was will Smith's daughter. And once in two thousand, also one spoke about figuratively murdering somebody so super great person that you totally want to hang out with and be influenced by. I try hard to find the good and everybody that I made I will give him credit for knowing and demonstrating that there was between figurative and literal. As her. On Ten thousand points scale. He's now he's not move the needle into the two point one position, sure sure so he recently apologized for some of his past behavior in a series of videos entitled taking accountability which Andy Notes isn't even slightly grammatically correct, and doesn't augur well for the amount of thought sincerety that he actually put into it and I agree. Taking accountability, Kids. Laugh about it, because this is how YouTube is, this is how youtube does. This is how you do its job. Right so that's how the youtube headlines work. You don't write. We don't write headlines like The New York Times or you know for like the articles were writing. These headlines are. Already very. Tabloid in nature and just imagine a giant cover of okay magazine, and like that's what youtube headlines are just like the little little pieces I just feel like a member of his team like is a developer who has like WHO's working on machine language model, using tensor flow that takes apology videos and apology statements of the past ten years, and just generates them and. And would come up with a todd like taking accountability. I'm listening to the responsibility of entitlement micro aggressions which. You really put a lot of words in there that I recognized from previous apology videos from people. Five dollars says that Google is working on that artificial intelligence to help to help the massive Youtube influencers who need to make their own apology videos so. Oh Okay you did you did add that? No in here. I! See I think you added that after the fact, Yes, so Shane Dawson recently has been. Called out for the fact that he pretended to. Yeah, YOU PRETTY! He pretended to sexualize will Smith's daughter which is gross? Gross in Grossing Berry. Grossing graphic way which I kind of just don't want to say accents podcasts, because even the even the words that I chose whereas in. We're not innocuous enough for what yeah, which is. Why soft myself before reading them. It please me about his audience that like the day after he'd like posted. This and the poster frame is like him. Could see. My Red is oh Gosh I've been crying. Than, you see. You imagine like very very sensible like ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen year olds just like okay. Clinically cookie search term out there is that video and let's post these time where you're doing that. Awful thing about an eleven year old girl. Yeah and by the way Jada Pinkett Smith. Smith. person that I wa- I recognize now that I got live on jeeze. Perfectly sums up the era of Youtube that we're in Andy, which is why I. wanted us to talk about this on the podcast today. No, this is very important. Because this is, this is very. We've been talking so much about all the ways that youtube has been stumbling and this is. This is one of the ways it's been stumbling since it's DON and. Okay. Let me. We got again to the particular. So you know what our analysis of this is going to be so Jeffrey Star is another really just evil person and he has been rightly so called a youtube super villain and he's considered by many to be. And it's true I've always known Jeffrey Star to be a racist because. There's there's been plenty of video evidence of that of which it has been published to Youtube of Jeffrey, stars microaggressions. And he is just and also his makeup is not that good I. Never understood why people just went Gaga over it. There's so many so many other makeup brands and indie makeup brands are so much better than what he was putting out. So He. And Andy today you found out that he had a line of cosmetics. He was trying to call lipstick Nazi. Which is true. He was trying to put out a line of Lipsticks. Which is just so? God! This is what white privileges. This is white privilege because he was able to make this quote, unquote reference whatever the heck he was doing and still get paid besides the fact that this is what he came up with because this is just. I'm still currency. I also feel the need to point out to people who are not not. With this gentleman, he's a man in his thirties. He is what would be called a grown ass man. whereas. You see like people twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Who are not even they're not. They can't even drive yet. Let alone vote. They have not lived in the world yet. They still live in their high schools, and in the House that they grew up in. They have not been outside of their their hometowns. Really, it still doesn't make it right, but you understand that. Hey, I I'm so glad that I didn't have the possibility to post. Post sub to publish something to the entire world after I listened to a Cheech and Chong record and thought that this line was really really funny, but I didn't really understand what it meant I just understood. That was a really really funny line, however, once at some point well before you're a grown ass man in your thirties. No, you you you. You hand back that that free pass. That free pass expired a long time ago. So Jeffrey Star is known for allegedly gathering, damning information about fellow youtube stars two-wheeled over their heads as blackmail. This has been going on by the way for a very long time. And I'm GonNa read you very quickly. Some of Andy's thoughts. So okay, we just talked about the blackmail. That quote contains a hyperlink. Andy wrote. I guess I ought to click on that just to see what that's about Oh God links to Perez Hilton Article I've heard about this piece of work. Well, Google, one hundred ad trackers of already logged my visits I bicycle. Look at it Andy, fringers further okay looks like stories of this star fellow, manipulating the dialogue about and against foll. Youtubers in ways that are deeply antagonistic and Machiavelli. Ian Perfectly put Andy including dangling purported evidence that one of them is a criminal sexual Predator, but not making this evidence public as promised and of course backlash came from that, and for those who are a little into what? Andy was referring to and his internal dialogue We're talking about the covergirl model. James Charles who is also a be grew. their controversy controversy last year about the fact that He. was. Him Entirety Westbrook was another makeup girl. It just if you really WANNA, go down that rabbit, Hole! Enjoy. It's it'll keep you up all night. It's something that you definitely You might want to have a beer or two four. So of course there's expected backlash from all of this and Mr Dawson and Mr Starr as we were just referring to. This is the New York Times reference to them which I. Think is hilarious because I would never refer to them as gentlemen. Well. In my case, I just couldn't be bothered to remember or look up their first names, so sure yeah. So they're now hemorrhaging thousands of followers and they've been facing a storm of criticism. Naturally target has removed Shane Dawson's books from its shelves, according to insider and on Tuesday this week that we're doing the podcast youtube announced the company had suspended modernization across all three of Shane Dawson's channels finally I. Don't know why it took so long though there was plenty of reason to do it before all this. Of course, this all has more of a snowball effect Shane Dawson is now. His book is suffering. I. Guess Or Something Manuscript There's a lot there's a lot that's happening to him as a result in his business, quote, unquote as a result of all this terribleness and awfulness. And, of course nuke time. The New York Times is Taylor Lorenzo. Who are absolutely love and admire a summed up? Some of the other youtube celebrities that have also contributed in this awful manner to just the general. There's a there's a sickness in the youtube community, and it's been going around for a while now and. And here's just a couple other people who've been taking a part of the sickness so Jenna Marbles, which is a really big. This was a big news story last week. recently quit after backlash when old video in which she appeared in black face, so she removed herself from demonisation on Youtube last week, which was a big deal. youtubers David, dobric and Liza have also faced criticism for old videos in which they imitated the Japanese language. They. I hope one day people can learn and change and grow before they make millions of dollars doing black face. Akilah Hughes a Youtuber tweeted on June twenty-sixth. My tears reserved for all the black people who will never even attempt to have a youtube career because they don't want to be subjected to racism all day every day as a living. Yeah! So Shane Dawson and Jeffrey Star. They are as Andy put it in the notes, racist dinosaurs that are hopelessly out of touch with the younger generation. I agree although I would say I'm in my early thirties, and I'm not out of touch with the younger generation. Listen. That's what I've found. What part of what I found so funny about funny in the broader sense of the word about this that I'm used to when I. Think of what I imagined like people my God. This person's just from a different generation. They don't understand like how the world really is. They don't understand how anybody under the age of x is going to hear what you're saying about. About why these kind of people always smell funny at snow, it's not just something you've noticed. No, it's not just an innocent little Jape I'm going to identify you as someone who is pretty darn racist, and perhaps I should keep my children anywhere near you less. They pick up any language or ideas from you, and it's a historically funny to me in a in a sense that again girth. You're grown men in your in your in Your Thirties I. Think one is thirty one thirty five, but I would see. I usually attribute that kind of stuff, too. Okay well, you know what Grandpa he fought in the Korean War. Okay, and he grew up when Amos and Andy was still on television, and so that you don't you don't approve of it. You don't accept it. You correct it, but you understand wig. It's like no again you are. You there are people your age that predominantly do not have these feelings, and also the idea that given that my my understanding of most of these like Youtube, super hyper personalities that every time that I find I've come across the name of someone that the only thing there there'd be mentioned, always got fifteen million youtube subscribers, and usually turns out that the median age of their subscribers is again like. Teenage early teenage, and that's like the fact that. They! Don't understand that. Maybe when they grew up, they thought or when they learned how to use Youtube. The idea of Oh I'm GonNa get so much attention that people going to be so mad. They're going to engage with this. And then we're GONNA create. These hate beefs between other people that will attract attention between are. Now, unfortunately, there immediate audience, even though there again thirteen, fourteen, fifteen a in under the twenty. They are so much wiser, and they say dude. That's messed up I'd I don't care what reason you're doing this from. That's messed up and this is the reason why the Golden Girls Episode which I don. The episode is, but it's been in the news where they had some sort of a mud pit, the girls had some sort of a month back on, and it turned into a black face. Joke like this is why those episodes bring pulled down because. Older generations understand that it's racist. Understand that it's ugly imagery, but in many again I'll be honest about my own opinions that sometimes. They're using that to play off that Oh. It's so inappropriate that this person. When they looked in the mirror that they were just putting on a mud pack. They didn't realize what they're going to look that Oh, isn't that awkward? Whereas younger generation will simply say, that's messed up. That's imagery that should have been banished a long long time ago, and the fact that these grown ass men in their thirty s that would in many. In many situations would be called upon by marketers say help us to understand the generation Z. minus generation. Because you seem to plug into. That will know they apparently don't understand them at all. Because what they think is getting them. Engagement is actually getting them. People who, obviously for years have said. These people are just super super screwed up and I want nothing to do with them, and so when the when that I rock. tumbles away from the dam, bringing forth. A small jet of water starts to pull all the other rocks. And things tend to collapse very very quickly, not incrementally. I mean I would argue that. The reason Dave managed to stay around. This long is because they do have all those hits and numbers, but hits a numbers. Don't equate to quality and I think that that is something I think that's. Youtube overarching problem. Right there is that hits and numbers and and metrics do not equate to quality content that is worth tuning in to I. Think the other problem with Shane. Dawson and Jeffrey Star and just to provide a little more context to kind of what I was trying to still down is there there's a lot of. There's a lot of awfulness that I cannot possibly cover in this podcast episode with everything else that we need to talk about this week and I don't want to. Drag you all through. All this terrible terrible mud of terribleness, it has been happened, but. These people are dangerous because they use the youtube platform to essentially I mean. You know. The trope about the popular girl at school spreads the rumor and like a thing you're scared of. It's going to bring down your reputation. Unfortunately. These people are using youtube in that way. And so I. Think there's a really good part of the Taylor. Laurenz New York Times deep dive. where she talks to a couple of other youtubers, and they just talk about the fact that there's so much other talent on Youtube that deserves to have the spotlight when it comes to like this beauty, group community there people who are way more talented than Jeffrey Star. There are people who are much more inclusive where we must understand who are so much more empathetic like this idea of just I. Don't think Gen Z.. Stick is GonNa be because I feel like my generation kind of brought in this like it's so cool to like. Be Awful to people I. Don't know maybe I'm making a generalization about it, but. But it just feels like that's something that we're just coming out of. And that we're finally entering this time where it's like empathy really takes really takes the stage and I appreciate that and I know it's trophy to say I believe. The children are our future, but I think that if this youtube drama has taught us, anything is that this is for real like this is not people are not responding to this anymore, and that's good now. The reason I really wanted to talk about this on the podcast. Not just because it involves you, too. which world is talking about because because it's just such a big part of culture and society, and it is Google entity, which is why we cover it here on the podcast, but it's also just to to ask the question Whose responsibility is it to keep this from? Sparking the way it does because this just seems really. Irresponsible of Youtube. In my opinion, this is this is my own subjective opinion. It just feels like. Why are there not? Know and I. Know Somebody's going to get very upset with me for saying this because this is not a progressive school of thought. But why is there no gatekeeper? Somebody somebody to tell you like this is what allowed, and this is what is not and if you are putting somebody's life in danger, you're putting somebody. You're bringing harm to somebody's reputation. You know you're not allowed here on this platform, but then again if it is about numbers, why would you do that because it's the same thing as with a you know? TRASHY television for instance. or One of the talk shows that comes to mind is bless her Wendy Williams when Williams is known for being. Sometimes I'll watch Wendy Williams because I just WanNa know like what gossip she's putting out into the world, and she is mass, which is exactly why people love her and I completely understand that but you don't have cable companies going to her and say we're GONNA. Take you off. No, they want her on there. Because she brings all this viewership, she creates drama. She's you know. It becomes a larger part of pop culture and so I. Don't know it's just to me you to his grown into such such a big part of pop culture that. It feels like the beasts is just too big to contain now, and I think the only thing that we can do from here on out is make sure that the people who deserve to have the spotlight habit, and that does include in the beauty youtube sphere that includes youtubers like rob beauty. Christie Jackie, Ena, who is the person that I watch I love videos new. Matang they're not problematic. They, they're they're good. They bring a special kind of light to this world that we really been missing and so I don't know there's just youtube is just turning into this. Giant Purple Monster that just cannot be contained in. I. I I like to one the quotes from this really really nice article. Quoted another observer will Larkins this quotas saying quote this Pyramid Shane Jeffrey are kings and everyone else and blow them is over. He added that quote. The next generation of beauty influencers is going to be about artistry and not just drama. People are realizing we need more representation of people of Color Asians in every minority. The beauty world is a place to express yourself. The younger generation understands that better than the older beauty gurus and I hope that really you know as as Shane Fellow is. Cutting up another habanero peppers DAB. His is to make his later. I'm going to find the strength the courage. To make. after-effects filter that you could apply you know you just straggler right? Yeah, but I hope that I I mean spirited, but I hope that he suddenly feels one hundred years old when he reads a quote like this since as the younger generation. Understands that better than this out of touch, older generation, because that's that that sort of stuff hurts when you and usually it's the. It's your reward from being incredibly. closed minded and. An incredibly condescending to the younger generations that. Can manipulate them just like this I know exactly how to get reaching right there in their wallets and take up that old bitcoin to. They've got stored in there. All I gotta do. He's ticked my baseball cap and turn it slightly askew thus thusly, and that's how I get my message. It's no actually they've been hip to your jive for so much longer than. Cap Back by the way forward because he had put it off to the side. There's. Still some people my age. I, see the walking down the street like this is I'm sorry. Did you just fall off your one wheel or something here? Let me help you you. You don't realize that, but your baseball cap is pointed at I think. North by Northeast. You really want to north on that sort of thing. But it's. Is My. My my concern is that we've been talking about this for a while. That is so easy to take the temperature of the room and to know exactly what it is. The this is the time that we're the most The wisest thing to do is to do this. This is why target was very very aware of the of how awful lot of. Of the Shane fellows videos were, but the they know that he has a huge following. His publisher knew that as soon as he got his followers and found out that he wrote a book, they could probably count on X. Tens of thousands of sales right there and they didn't. They chose to not care about that until now. This becomes a OH. Oh Dear! Dear a little, let me let me go on Amazon, a monocle, and by Martini Glass, so that I can insert the monocle into my right eye and pop enter the pop out in shock to show me show people how shocked I am and now! Oh, we're not gonNA. have any of that bad bad persons books in our store. Now that will be held. Held accountable for that. Oh let me tell you that and youtube is is really in the exact same position where they don't have that out to to to rely on. Because the fact, the matter is they have lots of policies against exactly this sort of content, and they have banded a lot of people with very very low subscriber counts for putting out. And also there are many many people inside Google speak very very sincerely of how how hard they're working out. How important I think the goal is of making sure that youtube is a safe place for for not for everything, but for the things that people should be kept safe from. Ideas that the status quo does not like that is an unsafe idea and should be promoted, but however if you want to put on black face and do your. Do Your nineteen ten, the vfw smoke her. Skit! No, you're not going to be allowed to do that. The thing is as as these contributors get millions more subscribers as their view counts, float up into the billions as their plant. Their business plans to manipulate. Manufacturer manipulate beefs between each other so that okay and then. Pointing out the the calendar that got from office depot. On this date I will have my video against you now. Okay, let's good so that a two days after the now if you could mention this person I, did a video with three years ago because I'm getting twenty thousand dollars consulting fee to up his profile, so I will defend him in my video, and he will then do his counters as it and all that interaction and all that getting people to interact with a and interact with the with the service, it means more engagement. It means that any advertisements that are attached to those videos become more valuable, real estate and youtube mix more money. The Youtube cannot be in the position where rational people can observe and conclude that they want that controversy. They want people they don't. They're the rules against certain types of content are only against people who make that content into a liability for youtube, and not a positive cash flow situation. You Got Twenty million people, and you can increase the value of ads sold on your channel. Go for it, and so long as long as your story does not appear on on the front page. JEZREEL DOT COM will. We'll give you the naughty naughty. Finger Wag. They have to. They have to do stuff like I have to say that read it is not their hands are not completely cleaned. They didn't I feel as though they're very. They're quite earnest and trying to control A. A community platform that was designed with the goal of not being controlled by a central entity. Now they're seeing the problems of scale, but to their credit when they say okay, we have this one of the two thousand subjects that we are removing from the service includes one that has eight hundred thousand people on it. All of whom are. Rabid supporters of Donald trump somebody who can easily tweet once in a board moment in the morning and make life Hell for all of our employees, but if we are going to say that we are serious about these Chelsea changes, we cannot give a pass to somebody who is bringing all that traffic to our service are else we are saying that we are perfectly okay with that. We just don't want to pay any cost for hosting that content, and so this is. This is the test that that all of these young people that are can. They grew up in this environment, which means that they can't be fooled by the environment as well as older people can. Because they? They know what the nature of the beast is. They didn't have to define it in terms of something else. They were already familiar with so they are a lot smarter. Puff this stuff than anybody age thirty and up are going to be They have to make sure that they want youtube they want. Read it if they want twitter if they want facebook to continue to move forward. And to be relevant and appreciated by all generations, they have to actually make sure that they are being genuine about their their defensive, their member base against hatred, and we're not just talking about you know we're talking about racism. We're not just talking about sexism. We're not just talking about violence I mean one of the one of the other amongst the two thousand suburbs that were deleted was a pretty pretty awful anti trans. transgender sub sub separated. That was just. How did this thing? Why was this allowed to go this? Far for this long There are so many groups that they're again. They're not necessarily being written about on the front pages of of popular websites or the international newspaper of record. They need to be defended they they need to. Their community needs to be protected by. By the company that runs the service as strongly as any other group, and even though their voices are not as loud as some of the others that are fortunately being heard today, their voices are still important, and you can tell that NPR show today because I'm still talking about all the I'm still thinking about all the stuff that got me really really mad. Mad when I was writing, I was writing this. The top the news rundown yesterday and I haven't wound down from the yet. So I'm sorry well, and then I sent this your way and well see. The thing is I've been dealing with this free been dealing. Not Dealing well I've been hearing about this for years so for me finally to see to see Shane. Shane Dawson Get d platform D- I would like to see more D platforming happening over the next couple of weeks, Youtube There's a lot of individual investigations. I think that could be done out there, so let's take a wait and see approach to this right now because I go talk about it forever, I could talk about forever. Why why this matters? Bill talk about some other things that matter. Just because we we do still have a couple, other news items to get through. and that just speaks to the breath of how much. A, how much weight you carry in society, but. Anyway so the next item in sort of this, this apology tour situation. That's happening right now. so alphabet unit very life sciences which we've talked before talked about before on this podcast has suspended discretionary spot employee bonuses to fund diversity and inclusion initiatives. Okay. I sent this link to Andy yesterday and Kinda just skimmed it, but just from the headline of it. It didn't sound sound good Bob. So fairly employees have been working in crunch mode to develop the covid website that trump promised the country. Remember that we also talked about that on this podcast. To. They've been working so hard that people who aren't coming in on weekends are accused of slacking off according to employees, so the disappearance of this category of bonuses seems frankly extra offensive and frankly poorly timed. Employees were outraged and sent a letter to management. letter was entertained by Bloomberg so alphabets clear message according to employees. The company doesn't value any of these goals highly enough to put alphabets own money into them. Verily spokesperson said at this time. We think it's important. We put our money where our mouth is in direct, some of our discretionary funds such as those typically used to fund a spot bonus program, which is separate and distinct our annual bonus programme to bolster our efforts to ensure our products and services are accessible to the people who need them. This requires making a few small sacrifices. But why wouldn't we do that? And this is the point at which if I worked at at at at fairly? I pissed I would be I would. I would decide. What's pillow or piece of furniture? Am I going to pin this person's photo to and then just punch once? Just once you wouldn't take it out to a field and PM mercilessly with a baseball bat. That is. Such a punishable thing to say like. Oh sure that I know that you're not seeing your friends and your family and the time of an international health crisis, and we're and our ability to at least make up for it by giving these discretionary bonuses as is bumming you up, but why wouldn't we? It's a small sacrifice. Why wouldn't we as management do that like? Yes, indeed, why? Why wouldn't you do that? Because as you have almost said you are bastards? Seeking. Thinking about all my friends who work at like Chile ad and you know work at all a Gilead Julia is mix it up with the with the that Hulu show. Don't watch because I. I can't live in that What what a? What a smack in the face germplasm who are working really hard? It's like it's like when like. When like a waiter or waitress spends all night taking care of a table of like twelve people? Check. into the tip section of the envelope, but says I've made a donation to help workers causes across the world, and in your name instead of tipping. You said okay first of all if you want to do that, that's great, but you should use your own money to do that if you really feel about that saying that I'm not gonNA. Throw away this this hundred and thirty dollars. I was going to give to this waiter. Who's been running running themselves ragged to help us all night long I'm going to just take that as extra money. That I didn't have to give this person that I'm going to give to a 'cause I can then use as pr and let people know. Yeah you know. I made that donation to that international workers hairs, but you know what you have to care. You have to be aware of the problems of other people. Honey honey. Dan Ravin rattling. Class for how long I'll tell you because you don't know clearly ch-. Anyway it's about the empathy that we will have to have all these people you know it's. Again walk the walk. Don't just do things that look good in a press release I one hundred percent agree. I also agree that. We should maybe take a break. Because the very hot topics we are just. We're just steaming, so let's take a quick. hydration break, let's say. And now onto a piece of news that assured to. Well keep us. Fuming I'm fuming because I. Am the one paying for this in my family, so youtube has. decided to just really role with this week so youtube TV. Rule through a huge huge price hike. Okay, and I'm not exaggerating when I say huge because he keep adding money. It keeps a fifteen dollars as a price hike. Okay! The monthly subscription has now jumped from fifty dollars a month to sixty five dollars a month and that doesn't include the extras that you might be paying for. Just for example. Or that's just again to the door I'm going to be paying around eighty dollars a month. Because I also pay for HBO Eighty Dollars, a month is basically the same thing that we were paying cable back in the day when we were paying for it like this is absolutely no different. The service launched at thirty five dollars and I remember when we talked. Talked about it here on the I think we talked about it here in the podcasters. Wow, US cable. TV for thirty five dollars. I finally get access to these channels like Oh. Thank God I get all. My house was for thirty five dollars a month. Not Anymore not anymore, because now that Youtube TV has viacom and CBS channels a Japan extra fifteen dollars. Those channels include bt. CMT Comedy Central MTV Nickelodeon Paramount Network TV land in vh one. Cool! Just for anybody out there. WHO's wondering because, Y'all know that I love reality TV. I don't like the reality TV. That's on MTV mbH one I. Don't that to me. Is the lowest here of reality TV compared to what I watch usual basis? Okay, there are tears of this stuff. I like to watch the reality. TV that really you know. Not only makes you laugh and cry, but also makes you really think about the state of the world MTV's reality. TV No longer makes me. No longer has an effect on me. It definitely used to the days of the real world, but the real world is that I grew up. With is is is no more so there's no use for be to have MTV and I certainly am not watching team. Mom, because that's just incredibly exploitive. So on the plus side I guess if you do want to give yourself be convincing myself of as paying for this. Youtube. TV still has. A unique set unique suite of digital services, including unlimited dvr storage, which like Hulu doesn't have streaming from any device three concurrent streams at any time, which is really helpful if you're paying for the whole family as well as six distinct accounts per household. Andy? I noticed highlighted this in the dock any particular reason. Related accounts per household. Chris Reporter, just kidding just kidding. Mean my my thing is the reason why cut cable along time ago. I I'm getting the minimum package of cable channels you can get in order to in order for me to still get like a deal on broadband, and also, and also because I kind of just want over the air channel, so if there's like a live special or lives live local sports I can do that, but the whole. The whole thing that was that made us naively think years ago that Oh someday the streaming channels are going to kick cable TV's, but because charging me like eighty five dollars for four hundred channels which I only want three. The day of that can just by the three channels I want for five bucks each. That's what that's going to spell your doom, comcast and verizon, and now here we are once again. Sixty five dollars can BTC CMT comedy central MTV nickelodeon paramount. Network TV land and vh one off the top of my head. I can't think of anything. That's Amazon, any of those stations that I would definitely need to have almost. Almost everything that is almost every show that is on TV that I WANNA. Watch is on Hulu the next day, and when I decided to like cut to the very very most basic cable, TV package the deal I made with myself. Is that okay? I'll tell you if there is a show that you can't get on Hulu or one of the three different services that you're actually subscribing to you are allowed. Allowed to buy the season by season. Pass on on the Google play store, so yes I do I do like watching the there's there's part of there's part of me. That will always be that six year old boy saying Oh, look. There were looking at the debt vacant lot. They're they're. They're using huge yellow construction equipment, and so yes, the the the the watching watching Alaskan gold miners operate heavy machinery. That's worth. Worth Twenty five dollars to get the entire like twenty two episode season and I still wind up so way ahead of the game, and it is a dvr sense essentially because I own it, and it will always be in my account and I do have to wait like one day to get it, but now I can watch any season I want the idea of having control over my cable TV and also. As I, said at the beginning of the show. There's so many youtube channels that I really really love. Win Today was Winter Garden Wednesday meeting that the? The person who's making that wonderful news machine, he post a new video, every Wednesday and today it was all about this track in which the marbles after they play the instrument. They have to return back to little elevator. Lift some backup sticking make memorable run, and he was unhappy with like the look of the the the the marble track he designed a few months ago. It was wanted to design a brand new and I don't think there's anything on network TV short of Bob's Burgers I will always always in the highest echelon, but almost anything that I could possibly be paying cable for. There's nothing that I look forward to more than. Wednesday's or the time when like when Tech Mon has no here's. When the Pioneer Corporation had kind of winter hat, that was also a mini disc player like wow, that was freaky. Why do they okay I'm in, thank you. Thank YOU MOAN This is the doom of the of the cable companies where people who are making and they don't get the twelve. They don't have to do the things you have to do to get twenty million subscribers. He has like these people have one hundred thousand subscribers or a few hundred thousand subscribers, plus a Patriot so they can make a comfortable living doing what they do with the limited audience that absolutely will not Mississippi. NEP is a single episode of what they do, but it's like sixty five dollars for the service. That is then guess what I'm jumping on got my parachute. I'M B Cooper. I'm jumping out of the airplane with the two hundred thousand dollars. You're not getting my money. I'M GONNA continue paying for it because I will find a reason to watch these channels I just realized that it's going to unlock lifetime for me, which is great because I. I I do. I do love terrible lifetime movie. Listen we all know who I am as person and I own it. But I am unhappy with it because it again said Andy, the completely goes against the whole point of this is supposed to be the anti cable, and as we are learning here. Google, took no. Made no effort to try and be a an ally for those of us who did not WanNa pay cable prices for cable TV I was hoping to at least if I would have shown some allegiance to youtube TV that Google would have said okay, while not case we're gonNA, pay the money to Viacom and discovery networks and NBC and all these big names. We're GONNA pay the money and we're going to give you the savings. We're not gonNA. Make you pay that because we can, we can do this. We can pay for all this content and not really make a loss on it, and you can pay us this this amount for all of these channels like that's what I wanted. or at least to have google say you know what what would you like? Would you like to discovery networks? Okay, Great. What would you like to add to that like? That's what I want. I, want tears. In, thus, far, the only one that I know that really does that sling TV, but they're the technic technology of their streaming. Their APPs is very. Has A lot of. Has a lot of work that needs to be done. Their APPS or just do not work well with casting. It's just there's a bunch of the constantly crash and I just don't like the way they work I I'm disappointed about this but get back to me in a couple months because I dunno will see this is. This is a significant amount of money. With a as as the service gets gets into I. Think it's fifth year fourth year. Whatever it's like. It's a reminds of that line from the. I think the second Christopher Nolan Batman movie. You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain. I think that now Youtube TV has become a cable TV style, villain, but Moving onto another sort of lighter interesting bit of news, so Google acquired nurse. This was a big deal on twitter the other day. I wasn't able to really dive into it the maker of Google glass style, smart glasses that actual glasses. This acquisition was announced in a blog post from our friend. Rick, Osterloh. North's technical experience will help as we continue to invest in our hardware efforts and ambient computing future. They'll join the Google team based in Waterloo Canada North's hometown in an area with impressive tech talent. Happy today to our neighbors from the north. Relative to also do the continental United States also celebrating stolen land, but that's not other hair now. Listen I call it like it. North Spark glasses are indeed akin to the glass much more than the Microsoft Hollow Lens. But they tether to a phone and display notification style sheets rather than creating a full augmented reality environment, so you're not getting the heads up like Zouk. You're getting more of A. Hey. Here's the screen that's attached to your face. But it sounds like to me. Dummy turn left to the next recorder or exactly They use a laser beam scanning display. Eliezer fires across the insight service. Lens bounces the light into your eye. Creating the image doesn't sound. Does this. How dangerous at all! Actually. It's more dangerous to lens and that's one of the problems. They were having with the -nology like I'm wearing my usual office glasses right now. There's like an SCR scuff like right. Appear in the in the corner, the Lens that I'm not GonNa I. Don't feel the need to spend three hundred fifty dollars to replace that. All on this end right exactly plus and I I don't see it. It's not my field of vision, but if I've spent six hundred thousand dollars on these special heads, heads up display lenses, and because of a little scuffed, that just plain happens. If you're wearing your glasses all day long now that now it can't actually display anything accurately. That's a problem I'm not. I'm not going to give you another six hundred dollars for another one of these that, but it was an interesting thing in that you could be they. The the glasses were style. Wise a little bit on the shelby say. CAIN end of the spectrum, but certainly within the normal spectrum of eyeglasses, nobody would suspect that you're wearing connected device embedded in T- into your ideal eyeglasses, which is exactly the whole point of Ambien computing that. I. Google glass. It was I. think that a lot of people I don't think it gets gets enough credit for how good a device it was, but. People have to deal with the fact that you've got this thing. On your face that it's clearly a technical device that at worst might be interrupting visually the conversation you're having with the where of this thing and at worst might be shooting video of you as you go, so this is this is definitely style. Wise, the the direction things which should be going. I Agree I. Agree and Technica, had a great kind of breakdown of the acquisition. We're GONNA link to that in the show notes and there was. A good quote, just kind of about the move that facilitated this so by all accounts. The company was not doing well before Google bought it after January. Two Thousand Nineteen launch vocals laid off one hundred fifty employees February, twenty nineteen, a substantial portion of the over four hundred people employed Joshua Cain the reporter who broke the acquisition story for the Toronto Globe and Mail said on. On twitter we've learned. The company likely sold very very few focal and was running out of money. So of course that's when you know as a company you would go and knock on the door of Google and Microsoft, and would you like to buy ass? Please buy my product pleased and if you're not interested in buying the company, are you gonNa Finish that Sandwich exactly? Exactly this? This'll be good. I think for. For them to pick up work glass of left off so I guess again I wait and see approach for this one illegals because they are acquiring the staff of Of course, they're going to be quite technology. It would be very very cool to see technology like this. Guess what you now have a two and a half years three year breather from having to actually make money. We're giving you two years to. To actually develop this with our help, and so that it integrates with the most impressive suite of mobile and cloud, based APPS and services on the planet. Like okay, we feel optimistic, all of a sudden and I by the way really liked the renders so when you got a chance. Check out the technical articles gallery in their of renders of how this work and It looks neat. It look super neat. another little bit of news before we take a quick break to settle down for OUR AFTER DINNER MINT! This one is just something to look forward to next week. July eighth a week from when we're doing the PODCAST, which is on a Wednesday Google. All is holding a smart home virtual summit. and. Likely running, hear a lot about the assistant content that would have been originally shared with us at the Google I o keynote Michelle Turner the Product Management Director of the smart home, ecosystem will deliver the forty five minute keynote and according to the Google developer blog announcement she will share our recent smart home product initiatives, and how developers can benefit from these capabilities. She will also introduce new tools that make it easier for you to develop with Google Assistant. We will also be hosting perner panel where you can hear from industry leaders, and how they navigate the impact of Covid, nineteen and their thoughts on the state of the industry who knows maybe we'll see some new hardware or Or, maybe finally will. I don't know what else we need assistant to do. Maybe assistant will finally give us some life advice. We ask it. Hey they've they've. They've also given the floors on fire games I. Don't know how much more we should ask. You know by the way that was to do with the Netflix show, right? Do we talk about that last week, but I I have to say that that's I. Like a good eight seconds gave me like a hell of a fright, because I think I think even just like just finished doing our show. And then later on Rep closed down the office for the might picked up net flix, and seeing that on a pick of the remote for my Android, TV and in the deck of like all the different APPS. NETFLIX's had like the second round. Would nation was a show called? The floor is on fire. The floor is lava and I'm like. Wait a minute I. I know that I'm the one who's always telling. People know they're not microphones that are always recording everything. You say so that it could like, but that's. Okay Church. It is a brand new show that just. That just started airing, which is why the bread promoting, and maybe that's also reason why the assistant has the okay. It was. A delightful it's delightful. Show a mix of legends of the Hidden Temple and In the other, the other one where people are just falling off and hurting himself all the time. It's a good mindless entertainment. You're certainly making me think it's time for some one of these streaming channels to revive super sloppy double dare. Oh. Yes, or or at least tried reviving a and it didn't take off. They tried reviving double. Dare or just. Charge me fifty bucks just to run the course whenever I want. picks the giant foam rubber nose and find the flag who look it's. With go covering gag. ooh, here's the fifty. Can I go through again I? Feel as though that's what we need. This breath of fresh air and our times today. Yes but I do and I'm not saying this as a as a commentary on anybody's anybody's physical state, but you do realize you have to be very physically fit to to though obstacle courses, I'm just saying from what I've watched in the fact that I'm just you know. Feeling very out of shape these days It's definitely makes me think God I I need to anybody. And that would be fun. Actually I would love that. Let's take a quick break, and they're going to have a quick little mint. And we're going to start off this segment me shaking my head. This is this is this is wonderful. This is this ingenuity, international humanity, and reaching from the abyss of despair that is twenty twenty and creating something wonderful gala. Look at me. I take one. Yeah. I do have some skin. Okay so. One of the lesser APPs and the Google suite is of course Google slides. This is of course the presentation APP, Presentation Sweet wish you can create presentations called. Google slides and so there is a store. In your called Dad Jokes dot shop that thought this was funny enough that they created their own version of Google slides, so they have for thirty dollars in a range of of shoe sizes. You can buy a pair of sandals slides as it were with the Google slides logo on them, thus giving you a pair of Google slides and a again to twenty, where only halfway through twenty twenty? We still have as much as we've been through. We've got that much to get through as it is yesterday. Call Reiner. Left of left us at the way too soon age of ninety eight. It was four am when I came across the listing and I decided I had to decide for myself that I I take. I'm in the market for like some simple like slip ons to wear around the House I. think that's hysterically funny. And I have thirty dollars, and not only do I have thirty dollars I'm going to make another thirty dollars darn quickly. Good Lord Willing and I'm going to order repair pair of Google slides. They should be in my position in two weeks. I can't wait. I can't wait for you to wear these. These are amazing. I kind of wish I I saved my money for these instead of A. Shouldn't admit this out loud because it's going to be on the record, but Back in the day before I realized how awful they wore I, bought some Kim crashing merchandise. What have which is a pair of slides when when you say how awful they were, is they referring to the merchandise or the people? The the people I mean I knew. If you're just just just new. They were awful like okay, but like I didn't realize anyway I was. I wish I'd saved my money. Because these are way more awesome, plus you wear these around people be like. Why are you wearing? A Google product as your. I'm looking forward to getting this tracking you your within four feet of them, Bluetooth L. E. has already gotten the idea from your phone, and it's recording our conversation as we speak. I have to say this dad jokes. Shop has some interesting products. One of them is a shirt that says it takes gots to be an organ donor. There you go see which does exactly what it says on the package. That is a bad joke, which is not a negative thing I. We we used to simply in my day that we simply call them bad jokes. We appreciated them as the legitimate form of comedy that they actually were. But yeah, it's I also feel as the other reason why I have to say that I bought them last night is that I feel as though on the the internal Google Message Board, there was an announcement that these things are available and this and as soon as like an a couple of weeks is going to be another message. Saying okay is everybody who wanted. Wanted to buy them by them. When it's bought the ones they want. Okay now we could actually soothe them and to make them take it down and give them a season. Does this, but we wanted to make sure that everybody at Google who wanted a pair could buy a before. We pulled the trigger on this and you can buy them with Google pay. Is Right here. So free shipping they ship anywhere internationally and so dad jokes dot shop if anybody is, get them before a cease and desist letter goes out. I should buy another pair. Just have them like one for display purposes. Yeah, you should, and then you could sell them on Ebay a couple of years from now I imagine Ebay will still be around. Oh my goodness. That was great. Andy I had actually nine when I studied the today I forgot to kind of like. Go all the way to the end because I was so fixated on the drama. Get in, and so that was nice. That was nice after dinner mint. Thank you. That was great. Speaking of cleansing the Pallet. That actually not a Segue, but whatever. Else is not a segue. The segway personal transporter, which was was officially ended and in the marketplace last week. You know the three thousand dollars segway personal transporter from Dean came in that you laughed at and did not WanNa buy, and had no chance of actually buying for three thousand dollars is now off the market they've they've decided that everybody who was going to buy one has already bought one. So, what's the point? Oh my gosh. How did I miss this? The SEGUE is officially over. Wow, so what are people going to do now? When they when they do tours of Golden Gate Park? Like. How are you going to get around? Are you going to do tours? We need another way of looking Dorky. I'm sure we will find a way that humans they are. They are an expiration species, if nothing. Wow, what is the was going to do? What is right on St Steve Wozniak not see not only did. He's not a fan of the personal transporter. Like when he flight at least when he flew to Boston, like he actually, he and his wife actually packed to segues as baggage so that they would have not just segues, but the impersonal segues their disposal. I mean he was playing segway. Polo at a park and in Sunnyvale every weekend, so that was like the thing he was known for. Their still doing that we. Can I just say that? We make fun of the hippies but boy. The the HIPPIE tech billionaire generation. They really knew how to do it. Okay, you got you got your Steve Steve Wozniak who said Hey. I'M A billionaire. I'm going to put on a music festival because there's a whole much bands that I want to see, so let's let's create. This thing called the US festival and you get Bill Gates. Who Okay he went through the we went through the Microsoft thing, but it's also you know what now that I've got jillion dollars. Let's get polio done. Let's finish polio and some other stuff like that. You don't get the sort of stuff where. You see that now wearing an orange. And, this hat is not just a hat is made of special fibers that are solar inductive self replenishing and also act as low energy beacons. Yes, Mr Toilets, but we did want to talk about a worker abuses at your factory. I've got up a longer range vision of the future. Now let's get back to the hat. Every family will have three of these hats. They won't have four because. See, it's not like. Hey, let me spill my money. A wreck festival or hey, let's go. I WANNA be Steve Jobs. Only palpably, evil. And totally irresponsible. All right that's that's the end of. The Steve Jobs and Zuckerberg as that like all the stories about Steve Jobs, make you think my God. He had like an ego, the size of a trade ship barge and boy he had like a real of like disconnection from reality, but that you feel like okay, that was technically true, but the people actually work with them like actually have the real story about how he was actually very accommodating, and people would argue with them. He was okay. You've made the right point rest sucker Berg. Is that look? I'm Steve Jobs only might the won t shirts that I wear. All the time has short sleeves. Could claim stretch welcome. Accurate representation I would argue it's a generational differences, but that's not the here, nor there I do believe that the children are future when I look in my daughter's beautiful face every day I. do believe that she is the future that is going to to drive us to greatness. On that note eventually drives evs to help you. Pick up your prescriptions. Oh, my gosh right. Let's say there are lots of advantages to having children. I need to be nice to hers. Can that she can. 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Material 261: Is It Political?

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Material 261: Is It Political?

"Don't. Good morning afternoon or evening, pleased lead reptile there and welcome to the majestic episode. Two six one of the material podcast whereupon I am Andy Nocco and I bet you can guess I'll other we are, but I let her speak to her for herself. I was Gonna I was GONNA. Say some celebrity, but I'm just. Florence I on I was I was going to try and do like an impression of Charro, but. For fans of the Love Boat Circa Seventy seven, seventy, eight, okay I, just why I was on a flight with her, once it was southwest airlines and I. Just want to appreciate that. Charro is a woman of the people. Okay, she's with us on South West granted. She was in a row. which is the very front row that's throw that you have to pay extra money for which my plea and self does not do because listen that forty dollars could go somewhere else because to say in this economy not that I'm going to be on an airplane anytime soon. So which you know is making me think like what are we going to do this summer? I don't know I'm really just aching to do something just feeling like it's summer. I don't even care if we go to like a nearby redwood tree end just camp underneath it for a week I feel like that would be just. Enough for this. Everybody knows Andy was making me very jealous yesterday because he was at the beach and he was sending me pictures of his feet in the water which. I. I haven't done in a long time because they are being. Yeah, it's. It's I. Find Myself like I hate. The I hate that I'm that person who like? A mile away from the town beach, which means that we're asked where I was living Faisal live just thirty minutes outside of Boston, but it meant that once a year I would I would plan and make a special trip trip to Cape Cod where I would do it all in one day, I'd go to the beach and South Dennis. We go to the cream cone and get fried clams and an ice cream. I would go back to the beach for like just waiting rather than swimming and drive the other ninety minutes back now that I'm in a place where? Like yesterday. We had to adjust the schedule because we were both really really super busy. I was I forced myself out of the office and Wednesdays my huge office day where it's just like nineteen, our for the keyboard and I said Oh come on, it's actually nice. Outside is is probably cooler and more comfortable outside than inside. I know that you've got the podcast coming up in an hour, but But let's at least like go and sit on the bench by the cove like near the house and do it there, and then we decided that. Let's do it tomorrow instead. It was like now. I'm actually now actually only a half mile walk to the beach I should walk to the because. Sometimes, it's like Oh, well, beaches always go any day and I've sort of had to. Sort of had create a new house rule for the summer that it's like no, if it's normally knock off work for dinner or a dinner, break around four. And like okay. If you knock off work, you have to take a walk to the beach and come back. You don't go swimming. Make a sandcastle. You don't have to like. Do Self as in front of like a mermaid sand sculpture, but you do have to walk a mile to the beach. Maybe even take your shoes off and go waiting a little bit, so we finish this I i. do have my beach bag prepared i. do have by stuff. Swim trunks. I will be doing some immersion. That's good. That's good. See I when I lived in San Francisco that was one thing I did not do is take advantage of the fact that I lived in the sunset racks. The Beach Florida beach, just a little bit different. In Northern California. It's cold here so. This is not what people imagine California like it is not like that up and down the coast if you aren't warm beaches, the reason baywatch takes place in Malibu okay, because that is a little more true to form their except that. When you step, you know in the beach, you sometimes step into a pocket of oil, but this other here nor there. Whereas up here. It's like the sand is very very crunchy. It's not. It's not the kind of like. It's not Beverly Hills on her to Ano Beach, club like that's not what's happening up here. It's it's seagulls and Pelicans and lots of like jellyfish. Washed up and like Justice League. The the green. I actually yeah, good Al! Mean really is just it's just No, it's their these plants that their bulbous in when you step on them hob right, right? I forgot what they're called, but but see you do that. All bundled up in the summer. Because it's so cold, you have to go out with your hiking boots on and your two layers, and it's a very different beach experience Anywhere I'm gonNA live vicariously through? So thank you, Andy, thank you I I should quit before we move onto. I should I should point out that. What we're talking about is. We're not talking about one of those. Like Fort. Lauderdale's spring break beaches. This is like a New England like and coastal communities. We have the town beach where you can't park your car unless you get a special sticker from the town from townhall, which means that even if we were not in the middle of a pandemic. At four o'clock, there would be about. Forget six feet. There would be about twenty to thirty feet of social distancing at all time so. We have we have a small little beach here where I live, but? It is just it's been closed off because of the pandemic because it's a you know they don't want folks going out and it's a small stretch of beach, but it's. Now I really just want to go to reach before we move on though I just want to. Say publicly and apologize I know that are posting. Schedule has been a little like. Sometimes you post on Thursdays sometimes you post on Fridays this week posting on Friday I appreciate everybody just kind of bearing with us. It's been a lot of life change having a child. I mean that's obvious and I know a lot of people. We'd be like well Duh we know by. It really is a lot of like life. Change that we're all just trying to adjust you right now on top of also being in the midst of a pandemic. So, thank you everyone for just tuning in week after week and still listening to what we have to say. Also maybe the maybe this will be helpful, and also explanatory. where fortunately it's not like we are to people with like Strychnine to five jobs, and the reason why we record every Wednesday at from six thirty to no later than eight fifteen is because that's the only slot. We have available. We're both freelancers which means that. I just don't see the I just don't see the tactical advantage and saying well, if we record today, one of us is going to be miserable tonight or tomorrow, because we didn't get a chance to get this other thing done, and we had to stay up extra later, so while while we're we we would. We would not stretch things into Friday unless there were some sort of a hardware failure. It seems like a very very simple choice to when needs to. Right now by the way because Andy Mercury is still in retrograde, so you need to be careful what you say because. Is the planet that will -nology and it's got a good time right now for I'm not even going to check my biorhythms. That's a situation goes I've got enough bad. Oh, speaking of bad news. Yes, you watch watch later. Though the watch later, playlist and Youtube is broken. And I'm upset about it again with. We realized that it's in that box of upset. That is things that really don't matter in the long run I'm acknowledging that buses are chance to people to live in into it. Okay, this is the hour whatever change where we get to live in. It's okay to be upset about this. Continue Get! Can Face Google is a really big important company with a lot of resources and this feature's been working. It's such a simple feature where like I'm on read it or and browsing the web or on twitter and someone links to a video. That is like Oh wow I'm really going to. I don't have time to watch it now. Belt certainly watch it over dinner lunch. You WanNa make playlist to click a button, and it gets your watch later, and for some reason stuff stopped landing in my watch later list like a week or two ago, and it's not because I hit like dilemma. There is a limit of five thousand videos per playlist. So I don't think you have that. Many well actually did because. This, why okay, but the thing is! What's supposed to happen? Is that you just get a little? Triangle Hazard. Red Risk Responses says Oh your your playlists full. We can't add that in which case you go, Ben and but I've got far far far far far fewer than five thousand down to like thirty five hundred things in there and I don't know I so I had to create a I tried to fix it doing things like okay. What if I log out back in again? Okay well. What if I do this do that the other? And the only thing that's that's worked so far to sort of get me that sort of workflow flow back is I'm not kidding. I had to create a playlist called watch later or So now now I can go into a click on it to go into youtube and then manually Andy. Me By the way because that's totally something that I have done before. But it's. It's sort of highlighted a lot of my frustrations with this feature to begin with because. Number one the fact that I have had I have thirty five hundred videos in there, and I have had as many as five thousand points out that. The whole point of watch later. Is that you don't. It's not a curated thing. It's just Oh, I wanNA. Watch this later, and it makes it. There's no like natural flow of gravity that says it by the way after something has been in this playlist for a long time. We are going to assume that you have watched it later or that. You've lost all interest watching it later, so we believe the remove it for you, or we will move to like another playlist because there's no reason why. We don't think that you're going to be watching thirty five hundred videos later on. So number one. Sorry, I'm just I'm on. Youtube, so I can go trial, and now I'm just going down like what suggested to me and I'm just like I'm just shaking my head just. Sorry. Keep going keep going. Up, but the other thing that was like so obvious that Oh, well, maybe maybe it's because I have forty two hundred videos in there, and it's close enough well. I shouldn't have that like. US The Handy Dandy copy all this copy all the stuff in this playlist to a brand new playlist, and then delete everything in the then the handy dandy delete everything from the watch later playlist feature and flow. Neither one of those features exists. You can't simply copy a playlist into another playlist, nor can you say hey? I've I've just spent two or three hours this evening. While while while watching a movie going through every one of these like four thousand videos one by one and and everything that I really did want to keep moving into my life movies playlist where my comedy playlist or my music playlist now I do have thirty five hundred videos. I don't want to deal with anymore. Google Youtube you're. You're really not GonNa make me sit here on my phone and go delete. Delete delete delete delete delete delete delete delete delete e and while I slowly. Go Mad. All you can do is auto. Delete everything you've watched and again the thing is this is where. Video links go to die? oftentimes I have. That's thirty five hundred of the five thousand I have not that. I haven't watched now realize I've no interest in. This seems like many problems that Google should be able to solve. Yeah it just. You're bringing up some good points about like. It's interesting. We talk about Youtube. I feel like we've been talking about it a weekly now. It's just been coming out. I don't even watch youtube that much, but it's such A. Constant on the Internet that it makes you think about all the little nuances that need to be fixed about it, and I think overall one of the biggest problems that you has is a user interface problem. It's just it's very messy platform, perhaps, and perhaps it's a little whatever, but I think it's a very messy platform. The minute I go on there I get very overwhelmed. That's why only go to youtube specifically when I have like a specific video that I want to watch which there are, there's an united L. A. Video podcast. On Youtube with the original creators, the original writers of the show you know I'm still watching checking the my beauty gurus because I'm just personally invested in their lives, and and what they're up to, and I'm just thinking about. It would be so nice to just have it be a little easier to navigate. It also makes me think about some of the flaws with g mail, but just because I because when you when you talk about, you know scrubbing all those old videos that aren't really it's like when you go into your pocket. You're reading list, and then you're like. This is stuff from two thousand twelve. I'm not gonna read this anymore. It would just be nice to have a scrub all button like just. Just asked me when we're time like. Are you sure you want us to describe all this seamless? START FROM SCRATCH? Asked me three times if you have to, you know. That would make it a little more palatable, versus how messy it is now negotiate youtubecom. We're not. We're not saying if you if you are part of the Youtube team. We're not saying that you don't have a lot of problems on your hands particularly here in twenty sack. All all I'm saying. Is that a lot I bless you. I would like to take you out for croissant will. We can do this again. I feel like you could really use, but anyway costs no longer. If you're looking for my of my input on this top priority. Get rid of the get rid of the the neo. Nazis and the white supremacist absolutely number one number two. Fix The watch later problem. Number three under that if there Russians who are trying to interfere with the election, take care of that, but not before you fix my watch later playlists I I'll be I'll pay attention to see if I'm being influenced by North Koreans or State agents from Iran or Russia all take care of that for at least for me, I really just want my watch later playlist back. That's. Every time we do this podcast. My brain just starts running in all sorts of Directions I. Think this is why, because now I'm thinking God you know one of our bonus. Episodes should be which by the way you can become a member of our podcast. Really DOT FM slash material. Go sign up for membership. You support us and the other podcasts on this network, but it just makes me think when we're bonus. Episodes should be where we just talk about all of the ways the Internet is has been like infiltrated, but anyway the senator there. Andy Mercury Stone Retrograde. I feel like I. Feel like it's a great thing. I brought that up. Because what you have brought to the table, talk about today is very much in theme with technology is just not. Is Not doing what it's supposed to for us right now. Yeah I. Think Things Have Gotten a lot more complicated this is this was always going to be twenty. Twenty turned out to always going to be. Andy Anoc goes year of the really expensive hardware upgrades, because just as you talk about. Yeah it's. Just a just a lot of things that when when I just did like an inventory and realize that okay How old is your phone? It's five years old Andy. Okay How old is your desktop? Mac, that would be eight years old Andy Oh okay, but the notebook is six years old and he and nor- normally my advice to myself and everyone else. Else is don't bother with a higher hardware upgrade unless the new hardware you're thinking about will either solve problems for you or create opportunities, and unfortunately all these things I've just mentioned when I look at what could be doing if I got a new hardware. Yeah, that was like I was I was scrambling this morning like the last ten or fifteen minutes before. I did my NPR show in Boston and so I'm just like updating the my my speaker notes like the the little pieces of data need to have in front of me, because I'm terrible, trying to pull up a name or or or or a specific number and was like slow as molasses was just one of those things where. Click Thousand one thousand two L. Spacesuit. And and like Oh, man this slip, and the reason why it was so slow, because I was doing of course from the podcasting station here and I had the LOGITECH APP in the background that was like giving me a live feed of a four K. Video Camera, and it just could not keep up my Cebu. Kentucky, but with that. so what things have gotten a lot more complicated for a bunch of reasons. One part of it has nothing to do with Google I'm just gonNA share my pain. That I was going to get a my my camera. That gives me such pleasure, and like almost like a prescription, the mental health medication for me five years old, still great. I've no need upgraded, but they finally after two or three upgrades that that I didn't really feel I needed. They come up with an upgrade that is amazing that every time I every bullet point of every feature that is new to this. Exactly and it's like okay, so remember you know how frustrated I am. What I'm shooting roller. Derby I can't get so hard. That would solve that problem and law and you know those times where like you're at a museum, and you wind up trying to stand therefore like ten minutes taking a photo mosaic of a piece of arts. You'll have like a really high resolution copy. Okay, now it can do sixty mega pixels without a without a try. On and on and on and on. And, so that's Olympics camera and yesterday Olympics announced that they were. After three unprofitable years of manufacturing cameras, they're selling the camera business to another company, which which probably just means that Olympus has two main businesses. One is like medical. Metal Obstacles? Optical apparatus and cameras, for whatever reason their business plan for the camera division was not working, and they decided where we just don't know what to do, but here's a company that can be now. One hundred percent focus on the camera company camera side of the business so they. They announced the intention to sell so it's not. It's not like it's going to be. What happened to polaroid, where in the seventies, manufacturers, the most exciting and influential cameras in the world now is just cheap tatty sticker for pair of cheap headphones. You get the drugstore site. She can buy it never t size at eight PM. So That's on my mind as well, but now so apple also had their ww, DC and off. The thought of well maybe I'm going to wait a year before I. replaced the laptops I. Don't know whether I wanNA chromebook, or tablet or windows, notebook, or whatever, but I can definitely they the new Max Minis are definitely what I want for that, and now that apple has announced that they're switching all of their CPU's. It's like okay so I. Really Don't feel like I should buy a new Mac mini until they've got a Mac mini with the US, and as as if that weren't enough the phone problem I am now super, super, super, super tempted by the four hundred dollar s again because it would allow me to get an apple. Wild May is in real time. which I really want it, also the. Fair we'll get back to Google. Google news more I know that. Last week we talked about rumors about the eye of the Pixel for a that lasts a good rumor that we had from a trusted source was that maybe they will announce it and unveil it in mid July, but just like the Pixel Buds. It was going to be several months after that before they would actually ship it and sell it. we got. There is a new tidbit. some reddit. User spotted listening on the website of a French supplier of enterprise technology. So this would be like a sales, chart or or product chart. That implied if I understand, both if the people who looked at this understand both French, and how much of that is value added tax on whatever would imply that? No, it's not going to be. It's going to be July seventh. Not October and the price is going to be four hundred fifty dollars, or maybe even more and I'm not an I. didn't put this in the show notes to. As an everybody factor this into your thinking. I'm doing this. Because to underscore the next thing. I'm about to say Google. Just announced, the for a already doesn't matter. If you don't doesn't matter, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ship it for months. You have to tell us that it's coming when it's coming. When because this is an unproductive use of inertia. Okay, just because you've got me thinking that well. If I want to upgrade my phone, Gosh, the new iphone that costs four hundred bucks is pretty nice and the new version of Iowa that looks like doing some interesting. Interesting things etcetera etcetera etcetera. If you put a knife, a pixel for a into my hands in March, excuse me in May or June or July I might have just gone ahead and bought it now. I'm like I. Don't know what I want to do. which is not unusual thing for me, but this is bad. Yeah, no, it is. It's also just bad for Google because it makes it look like they're not prioritizing this is. Rather makes it look like yeah, it's not a priority for them. The way that the iphone se chose to be a priority for apple. Because when you don't have some fanfare around it, you Kinda you already preliminarily like take the wind out of the sales. You know you're not really I've used that metaphor by the way like four times this week, but that's neither here, nor there I really WanNa go to the beach. All send you pictures via slide. Great Rub it in. Being augmented reality will do a photo bubble for you. Know I'm don't worry. I would love to see your pictures and I do want your photo bubble, so please send it. Afterwards my legs are even more pasty than they would normally be on June. It's fine. We can. We can share tastiness shades of pacing. It is I agree with you? It's not productive to not announce it, and to make us wait until October when I don't even know what October clay at this point, I don't know I didn't know what this month would look like months ago. And so it's hard for me to have any sort of expectation or I dunno on my end. I JUST WANNA. Say I've been using this one plus A. since late last week. After we reward the PODCAST I switched to it and it's. It's such a different experience than what I've been doing with the Pixel and I don't know I. I think this is the year. People might be really looking beyond the Pixel. So, so have you switched switched or you now or is more like a committed month of testing? It's more like a committed months of testing. Basically I'm going to wait. Until the android eleven stable sureness comes out till you know, it's stable I still have the Beta running on the pixel three just for ticketing purposes but it is, it's just it is a different experience. I will talk more about it I think in the coming weeks when I have a little bit more of like a thesis and wool more of an understanding. Why does it feel so different, and it's not that I'm not familiar with one is phones or Or One pluses operate version of android. It's just that having it as a daily driver is a thing that I rely on. is different. It's very different when you're just like reviewing a phone and it's your daily driver because you're reviewing it This is just I'm doing this because I. Really want to see what this experience experiences like. After devoting myself to the Pixel for so many years because I said I wanted the Google experience, just spoiler alert still getting the Ghoul experience your by the way, not not that different. but we'll talk about that at a later time. I have a little more. It's tough I'm I'm struggling to maintain my faith and Pixel that makes any sense I still I actually actively like. Gooby agree with you. I. Agree With You with that. Absolutely on that sentiment and the big draw for me as always you'll get the longest stretch of guaranteed updates plus security updates, plus I liked that they take some interesting chances, and the photography is amazing on this. But it's is bumming me out that so again again. WWe See this week so and they've a announced Iowa's fourteen and. My. The iphone six is about as old as my my pixel version one and the new version of the OS will work just fine on it. So. It's compatible to with the phone. That's five years. This is why people go to apple. Because the value, there is a lot longer than and I know that Google committed to offering three years of security updates for the pixels, but you know that's not enough. That's really not enough for a lot of people like this is just. I I really want to know what is going on. I WANNA be a fly on the wall. Well I want to be a fly on the zoom call. Excuse me the Google me calls. Between the hardware team because I'd like to I'd like to kind of understand what the conversations are. are like. The. This is why apple repeatedly maintains its stance among. Among the Puerto Leiria. US. You were talking earlier about like. Well, you know my Mac is starting to feel a little outdated, but I was thinking in my mind when you're saying that, but that's okay. Because that's Y-, apple will support you I mean I've got family members on old apple hardware that. I've passed down and it's still working for them. Fine flawlessly like no problem. And, I and I'm a little jealous about that because you know. We, we've been talking about feeling it with chromebooks so. And that and that is a fraction of what is running on an. On a MAC OS. So I don't know there's a lot of a lot of things to take. Consideration I think the summer. A lot of people are going a lot of tech. Heads are going to really think about. This is a good year, too for I feel like we were forced to slow down. Yes, I mean obviously psychologically. We were everybody's feeling it but tech wise. I feel like we were really were really being forces slowdown in and consider you know and and. This is just an impression. On my by part. Lou Shown Colorado I'm altering in French. Restaurant and I'm sorry. That was bad bad joke I'm shaking I. Need Some shoop. My Sean Connery joke battling. Chillier House One, Chili Bean next to the menu now is without. Be Spicy or hot if it's true hall unwelcome. Also, it kind of goes beyond that that it's a google made a huge huge. Risk in. Did something really brave and trying to create a premium brand to compete not just with iphone, but also with Samsung, and but this they launched this line a long time ago, and there are a lot of problems that they should have been able to solve, and you look at the Pixel Buds. Let's not even talk about the the Pixel three. Let's let's assume that we've forgotten everything. That didn't happen this year. Even this year Pixel three. Excuse me. The Pixel buds ship with a huge huge problems that the that Google has had apologized for and promised. Don't worry, we're we're. We're going to be issuing a firmware update and a few weeks so that it won't randomly disconnect. To use it for its intended purpose, but an addition someone I wish I written it down Something I saw on twitter or somewhere so and mentioned that Even to the Pixel Buds have now been out for a while, and they're still a available in one color, and what one country or two countries, whereas when apple or any other Samsung releases something, it's international and okay so once. ONLY BAND GETS A. VERSION OF IT! It's like you want. If you really want. You WanNa be a play in the major in the major leagues. You have to prove that you can deal with major league pitching, and so far it's like so this is what another. This is another factor. That's kind of edging towards. Maybe I should switch back to iphone, not necessarily when I switched from the IPHONE android. It was explicitly because wow, I no longer real. I don't think the IPHONE is relevant to me anymore, but everything every time I test out an android phone. I hate sitting it back because it's totally relevant to what I want. Use a phone for this idea of switching back to iphone is. I want to give Google a couple years to find its car keys and regroup and show me that they've really know how to plan ship and support a top tier phone, and until then I will stab him this by a thousand dollar, Iphone Iphone, ten or eleven I will buy like the budget one and I will enjoy for for the idea that hopefully in a couple of years, Elsie, a new pixel phone that absolutely enchanted with, and I absolutely want to leave for bums me out. It's something I like is like I just don't have I'm not abandoning you I'm just giving you some time to yourself to collect your thoughts. Should we? 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If you buy memberships, we get more money and maybe I can actually we can actually commission a jingle for it sooner, which is big box of pain that in sort of a chorus harmonies sort of thing. But okay, so we had. This is a New York. Times article came just today as recording this on Thursday, that did a really good job of explaining the status of the justice. Department's anti-trust. Antitrust investigations against Google a basically making the point that it's getting bigger and bigger and more and more real, and probably closer to some sort of actual action beyond. Simply investigations, and so of course link is going to be in the show notes I recommend you read it because it really did tire whole bunch of things together. I'm going to quote I think the second paragraph in the latest sign, the Justice Department is moving swiftly. Staff members appear to have begun drafting a case memo to test its legal argument. Three other people connected to the case said the agency has assigned growing number of employees to the inquiry, and it is brought an economic expert who could testify at a trial. The details of the internal maneuvers were gathered from interviews with more than twenty people, most of whom would have speak only anonymously because the deliberations were private, and we this has been on the front burner since at least February in terms of getting more and more hype news cycles last year. I think the FTC in the Justice Department. Tad like a bickering session behind closed doors over who gets to prosecute who gets who gets to investigate Google and for what? And, it was the justice. Department under Turner a General Bar. Who won that one We already know that the focus is on Google's dominance of the ADS and search businesses to which you kind of have to say. ALL RIGHT FAIR COP! They H-. They seem to have a lock on search. FACEBOOK has one heck of a nice ad network for themselves, but yeah. Google has bought enough companies and grown them enough that they are synonymous with search as well but as usual. The question is going to be anything with this White House is particularly with Attorney General Bar. Is it political and New York? Times has something to say about that. quoting again on Wednesday, a lawyer for the department, testifying as a whistle blower, told the House Judiciary Committee that the agency had pursued antitrust investigations, either because of Mr, Boris Personal Animus against industry or the president's political wims. So that's that really? Now, that doesn't sound like the trump administration that I know come now. This is what we mean where we can't see if sorry, we can't keep politics out of it because this is what's happened recently. Yeah and and it's. It's a really does contaminate things because. I. Do think that putting yeah. Because you know because a Google and facebook and Microsoft and apple, they are way way too big to. Still operate under the environment that they were born in the nineteen ninety s when at the absolute hundred percent. When the absolute correct! Answer for Congress was. We don't even understand the potential of what these companies are developing, and this could be come a huge economic driver for innovation in this country, so we are not going to regulate you. People at all. Just keep bill bill bill create jobs create technology. Make things that that if American ingenuity and innovations the real thing, please use that thing to build cool stuff. and. That was that was absolutely the right thing to do in the mid nineties, but now it's twenty twenty and there. They really are like nation states in terms of power, and it is absolutely reasonable for Congress to start looking into what new rules should we put them under to make sure that they don't wind up Microsoft Ing Companies? Just as we had to take action against Microsoft years ago when they tried to put a browser inside inside Microsoft Windows, when browsers were still becoming a brand new thing, but that aside though it does also ask the question what happens. Do, you think that Sundar and the rest of the folks at Google Earth thinking. If this really is politically motivated that if this really is the Justice Department talking not necessarily Congress in this case. What if we just SORTA? Sit Tight, be patient. Be Hopeful that there will be a new administration in January and that we will still be dealing with antitrust issues, but we won't be dealing with people shooting poison arrows at us. That which is a legitimate thing of course they will still have to deal with Congress. Themselves are still investigating the tech companies they of announced they announced a year ago or two years ago. That no, we are on like a five year plan of reviewing every single bit of the tech industry's operations and weather. Current regulations are enough at this juncture also last year the. Forty nine state. A fifty different district attorney's. California's stayed out of it, but I think Puerto Rico was in all announced that we are doing. We're doing it coordinated investigation with big tech and we. Your harsher mellow man. You WanNa take us off to beat the six largest GDP in the world. How dare you? Have Call. You seen the peaks big today I mean. Have you even seen the peaks? If Big Surgery? Hey, I'm California and it's true that's what we're like anyway. So, so it's not as though a Google's problems will go away if trump fails to get real reelection, and somehow the new president decides not to keep. MR, bar on. As America's top COP. But it does still say that there is a lot that's still going on dark also. Outlines the risks that the justice. Department is undertaking whether they if they can if they go ahead with this complaint. And turn into a formal action and they lose which they they lost when they tried to prevent at and T. from from merging with Warner that look that basically comes across as a explanation of a lack of power. They don't WanNa. Lose those that could be really really bad, however if they decide to be safe and not Afr- not proceed. They're going to be a lot of different organizations that are saying. You're not doing your duty because these. Google, absolutely needs to be reexamined Then there's always there's always the political angle where. After reading the article, one of the things I was thinking is that what is i? Don't I'm not terribly impressed that bar is. Working for the interests of the American public so much as he likes his job, he wants to keep it, and if I were of that state of mind, and I were in the trump, White House I might think that. I'm definitely going to keep this train safely in the station. However I'm going to be keeping shoveling coal the boiler, so that boiler is raging red hot. Hot so that my boss Sees Oh look at all the work. That's being done. Look all the things that I'm finding cattle. Who knows what's going to happen? I don't know that's a good and that was a really good metaphor Andy Yeah I. Don't know what's going to happen I. also just you know conversations I've had with people in my life has just been. Maybe a little cynical, but just thinking about the majority. That's in the house right now and just. This is not something that's GonNa go away with the new administration. So it'll be interesting to see how this unfolds overtime of but for now I. Guess It's just. For now I think we should maybe son sooner Chhaya. An edible arrangements you know he could really use. Some chocolate covered melon slice. Let's to say that the the the lights have gone out in his living room and there are lots legos on that carpet that he has to walk across. It's a bad bad situation. The other item in the big bag of pain big box the pain is. Once again. Google employees signing mutual lease sign letter to Chai. Basically explaining what their expectations of. Google's ethical responsibilities are and questioning whether they are being responsible by doing business with police forces now the letter itself broadly speaking they. They're complaining about two different things one that Google is specifically boasting about all the sales that they've making to police. The police industry when they're promoting. To basically say hey, look, we've got this. This police department that's following all their reports and collecting all their evidence, using google docs and Google sheets, and certainly your company can so we're and we're good for security, and if we can, if we can do this well for police forces. We can do that well that and these employees signed this letter. Saying that is absolutely not a good look for Google. parenthetically, they've also. Tech crunchier has. A good look at this adding extra context that Google also supports local police funds. And stuff like that there again, not at this time, not particularly good look. particularly. Due to? Please please organizations, racist past and present, and now of course, when we say that we're not talking about all every police officer and every police force everywhere, but is definitely a problem that needs dealing with I'm going to quote from the letter here. These? Are The employees reading? We're disappointed to know that. Google is still selling to police forces and advertises its connection with police forces as somehow progressive and seeks expansive sales rather than severing ties with police and joining the millions who want to de Fang and defunct these institutions why help the institutions responsible for the George Floyd's neck to be more effective organizationally. The same Clarkston police force, being advertised by Google as a success story has been sued multiple times for illegal surveillance of black lives, matter organizers, and here's a really punchy a paragraph, the racist legacy of police across the United States goes all the way back to its roots, when police forces emerged to protect the wealth, gotten from slavery and genocide. We have a long way to. To Go, to address the full legacy of racism, but to begin with we should not be in the business of profiting from racist policing. We should not be in the business of criminalising black existence while we chant that black lives matter we the undersigned Google call on you to stop making our technology available to police forces, and that's a very very succinct and powerful statement. I. I! Have I don't know I'm. I'm of slightly of two minds of this. There the point they're making are very very clear. Very well made very very justified. However I'm wondering if it's an overreach. In that. How how it's! It's one thing to say that we are going to. It's one thing to be Amazon and say we are creating a facial recognition system that would runs on our servers, and whatever you WanNa do to control your people in your community and identify them and single the mountain prosecute them. We can help you do that with the power of Amazon web services. That's one thing. It's another thing to simply have a suite of of of office, APPs. That are run via the cloud and say that that's pretty much available to anybody and say that we're going to make sure that I'd. Say say that we're in. We don't want police forces to be using any of these services now I'm not sure that that's exactly what they're saying. one. Of this letter is that we don't be. Don't necessarily want every person who tries to use sign up for for enterprise level, G. Suite to prove they're not with law enforcement. However, we don't want you to glorify us. We don't want you to take a point of pride that we're working with. Police forces particularly those who have specific. Connections to racist actions and racist policies. We just want if if you if they come to you with money to buy a G. Suite. That's fine, but don't try to paint US are up. We Google employees as we are. The Friends of the forest be create all the tools they need. In order to make sure they prosecute crimes and investigate and punish unevenly. This is a problem throughout Silicon Valley. Right as you, you know you. It's very hard to be a person who works in this industry and I'm speaking for the people in my life who I know are in this position, and like think the same things for themselves because You know. It's. It's difficult to go to work every day and realize that like what the the work that you're doing is helping facilitate. An evil. but I do agree with you. Andy in the sense that there is a difference between Google providing Google Docs sweets, whatever for police forces like that's how they organize their information. Versus. Amazon versus ring, which is actually getting police departments to to say hey, you can get like a discount on this thing, but this is basically providing surveillance for police departments in your area to continue doing the bad evils that they have been doing which is targeting black people and people of Color Those are things that like we. Really need to. it's just it's a very difficult. The severity difficult time because we're all coming to terms with what the reality of the world is I think for so long. This is why they call it waking up right because for so long you're just kind of sleeping and and becoming a part of the status quo but I think right now. Silicon Valley is undergoing its own reckoning and I really. I'm just I'm I'm so pleased with the employees that are rallying together, and they're all just kind of like holding their managers and their bosses accountable and saying that like this needs to stop. There's a lot of other things that Google is. Is Very bad? I'm thinking of Alphabet some of some of the the hands in projects there, so there's there's a lot more that could be tackled I. think that I think this is just a good start for the employees to organize against what matters to them, but I think yeah. This is something that all of silicon. Valley is dealing with right now. Anybody who works in Silicon Valley is going. Going okay well, this is the product that I work on. How is it being used in the world at large, and how do I feel about that? As a person because the fact of the matter is these companies still do need to make money. for Google of its money comes from ad for advertising and search, and so the thing that we talked about earlier with response to. What's happening with attorney bar like that's going to really affect. Its business would think that this is something that they could scale back on. That wouldn't affect its business so much that would also you know kind of? Put a little. Put a little more A. Metaphor I'm trying to think but just You see all those Google doodles, and you just kind of want to you know. You gotta walk the Walk Not just talk the talk. It's it's easy to honor the appropriate person on the appropriate anniversary. It's quite another thing to say we are to. Absolutely screw things up for ourselves by tearing apart a system that works, but is racist or or sexist. and. Fry to it because we are not satisfied with a working system that does not treat everybody are whether their employees are users equally that takes a lot of courage, and that takes a lot of standing up in front of shareholders and saying don't care you think this is a problem. There are other places to invest your money. This is these are things that Tim Cook said. About investors have said well. How come you're not monetize this? And how come you took a standing against that? He's about. It helps when you when you're. Stock is valuable as apples, but but they but. What you're saying is such a good point to that. I do think that's important to not step up to the plate and swing at every pitch. For people for everybody. You mean everybody else. WHO's living in this world? Because I did say that I, don't I don't know if I fully agree with the idea that that apple excuse me that Google should. Divest itself of all business with police departments again. I don't know that that was. Something, that the people who signed that letter, asking for as little as a little ambiguous, but supposing that were the case I don't I would. I would agree with that and I should say that because if that's wrong or ill-informed or ignorant I really need people to tell me because in my head. That seems like a sensible reaction. If someone is but I. I don't want to keep an ignorant. Opinion in my head and new information will either tell me the. We'll either make concluded I'm wrong or helped me to understand my beliefs if I. Happen to stick to them, so it's It's important that we keep talking about this and not I I think way too many of us. Do the really safe thing where we we have these little geiger counters when we were looking at we take the temperature of I'm talking about a geiger counter and then talked about temperature clearly I'm speaking extemporaneously, but you know what I mean. Too many of us take the temperature the room. Say That okay. The correct thing to say as everybody should be wearing face masks. Everybody should be doing social distancing. It doesn't matter if stores are open, you should absolutely be not patronizing them and find some other way to support these businesses. And knowing that okay, that's the temperature the room all get yelled at if I disagree with that and so a lot of us are taking their time and saying okay well. It safe for me to say that I agree with all these people say oh. Oh, boy, yeah, and here's some pictures. I took from my office window of hundreds of people who are not using. ooh, aren't they terrible? They're all Karen's and. And and Lyles I don't know I'm not on names that we're supposed to be using. But but But also say all I. I absolutely disagree. I think that our freedoms are being taken away from us, and if people die, but I recognize that I will be I will be the subdued if I. Say that publicly, so I'm going to pretend that I. have no opinion. Because you you've, you shouldn't be brave. You should be proud of your ignorance. You should always be pleased when your ignorance is pointed out to you by somebody. Knows that that person is not required to do that. In a polite way I'm paid Labor by the way. Pay those people, please. and plus we also there's so many other things that. I mean Google's workforce just at the numbers So. There's a lot there's a lot we're going to keep covering this though because is important and. I. Think was a good food for thought. Andy I feel like we should maybe take a break though that was a lot. I could use some hydration also after after this Ad. 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We're still working on of these things we we have. We have a APP as well. It's darned good, we think. It's pretty good. It really does show A. A Isn't just. Oh, let's fine tune. Some user interface based on user feedback. It really is well. We've had google photos for five years now. We have a better understanding after observing how people are using this, so we can take the weekend shift fine tune the focus, a little bit still no fence removal feature just want to. Put that out there. Okay, so have you re like on? Some some siggraph is is happening soons. Somebody is going to just to really just stick to Google. Saying Hi, I'm an Undergrad computer science majors specializing in graphics and I wrote an APP that does nothing but remove offense from a photo. Because goal. I have no budget chime. I'm I'm tossing pizzas and delivering them this summer as my summer job and I. got this stuff done before you did. How do you feel about yourself? But yeah, it's. It's pretty cool I'm going to have to things you will see. It's rolling out as as all google APP updates. Do you'll get it when you get it sometime in the next couple of weeks? I was now the first impression it made was not necessarily a positive one, but not necessarily for meaningful reasons the. The new the new Google photos icon for the APP is still ten wheel, but now the the blades, the Pinwheel, instead of being trapezoid are now for orange slices like. Things and Maybe. I just don't like change but I. I didn't really like that, but let's get into the actual thing now. We go to the Google blog post I think they've got a lot of English lit majors that are now working at Google because it's when they described the motivation behind these changes to Google fotos. It really was something that Blanche Douwe might have. Had to say Tennessee Williams page. I'm quoting here. Over the past few years we've also seen the people use Google photos when they feel now. And Walter Revenue. Google photos has become more than just an APP to manage your photos. It's become a home field laughs memories. And that's why today we're launching a redesign at Google photos focused on. y'All memories. To healthy, find and and relive most treasured moments. Thank you thank you, thank you, thank you. So yeah. So now the focus of it is like not on. Oh, here's a camera. Here's a here's a here's like a film strip of things you've taken and whole bunch of buttons. It really is centered on. We're going to use our intelligence are fake intelligence to sort them into memories, and that's now the front and center experience, and yes, the the thumbnails were bigger. There's less better use of white space, and there's little things like that I'm trying yeah I'm trying to get by the way like I do logging and my my APP is all updated, but I don't see anything special. there. I knew icon in the after. With while the biggest thing is supposed to see, is that The old version had four tabs the bottom bottom photos albums for you sharing now it's just photos, search and library and. So so the fact that should be the first giveaway also. A. Made other changes to the UI you're used to seeing the upper left corner, one of those one of the hamburger menu that used to be all the rage back in the Obama Administration. Now, it's no longer the hip style, and now that's where you see a what's called A. Call another calling conversation button for conversation so now that's where you go when you were looking for shared content so once again. Underscoring Sai. What? Have always depended on the. Got Your. Messaging Strategy and stop trying to dislike. Shove it into whatever the back of some APP okay this is. Is. Just shoved in general. I must say Eddie said that or What is happening? Conversations combine although I guess it's supposed to vibe with what's going on and Andrew. Eleven Give! Give me a second. Give me a week with this. Okay. Let me get this update and let me see how I feel about this. 'cause the whole conversation thing there's some changes that are coming that I have not been privy do. So I feel like Google, pulling a fast one on us just anyway. So much more. News to get through actually. Of they've added a couple of features. That one is stolen from from apple photos now he finally have maps view. If. You want to scroll around and see oh well. There's Yosemite and Oh look, there's the place where we got opportunity. CELONA and you have to. You have to really just like passages. Spit into the when he said because you want everybody to know that you know the difference between Latin American Spanish and Spanish Spanish. My problem. Is that like? I learned the correct pronunciation from watching fawlty. Towers and Manuel the the the British actor who is playing the Barcelona waiter, and so I always assumed that that was like sort of racist. They don't say. The Barcelona in a more realistic accent? Oh No, actually it is actually how they say. Yeah I really the first day of Spanish class. US, that anyway and. Then the other, the other good things that they they added particularly now that they've put memories front, Center. Have they added more kinds of memories They've also said by the way. If there are certain memories, you would rather not revisit. You can hide them. You can their ex-boyfriends and friends that you would like describe from your life, but you still want that photo back there. Just for that one time that you maybe had a little too much whiskey to yourself. I Mary not be speaking from experience. But anyway. Yeah Times where? I'm going to want to look at those photos of that vacation. She unite together, but that for the next electorally. Two days ago by the way because I was trying to look for a picture of myself in high school like how I used to be addressed, because we were talking about the shoes used to wear back in the day, and I came across I didn't realize that I. had uploaded all these pictures of my ex boyfriend, my high school boyfriend. Typed in two thousand two for the year, and it was all just like these pictures of him and I'm like. I was not mentally prepared to like have this bombardment of memory is just kinda like flooding ordered me. So thank you Google. That's actually a really good feature. That is one of those simple things that you really have to listen to users or use your APP of religiously yourself because there have been times where. Like, Oh, we're where I was when I took a trip. China like I want a really good picture of like in front of. A Gentleman Square and this was also the time where like my dad was in a nursing home as like Oh. That's right. Here's a picture of the parking space where I wanted to remember where I was when I drove radically. Committed number NSEE ads like. God. You need you need time for less stuff like that so? It's a looks like a muscular change. Both flow and I are looking forward to trying it sometime. We don't mind. Putting it yeah, just one quick thing that about chromos Google is now partnering with Parallels Parallels has a whole. Range of virtualization remote access APPs, so they have a partnership with with parallels to bring virtual is versions of full Microsoft Office APPs to. To Promo as enterprise users starting this fall, so you don't have to use the web version of it. You don't have to use the mobile version of good luck trying to use the mobile version of android APP on a chromebook. Figure it out. Let me know. Give you a dollar. That's only got. Don't ask for more. Because I've spent them all on therapy after trying and failing to get any productivity, APP working very very well as an android tablet chromebook, but the idea is that you'll be able to actually run a virtual There will be a local virtual. VIRTUALIZATION APP on on chrome. That will allow you to run a an actual copy of Microsoft office that's running on a virtual running virtual allies off of another server somewhere now the bummer is that of course the. Only? Be Available to people who've used using chrome Os. As Enterprise user, so it's not as though like we as writers who really do want like a super powerful word processor freelance writers with no organization to speak up. So that's that's a bit of. We can still run. VNC APPS and Lennox if we really wanted to do that, but That's a bummer, but but it is nice to see that. googled. The relation between Google Chrome Os as the exact opposite as the one between Google and watch us. This is the. They watch a lesson is the twin that they keep in the basement chained? Because because. They had like a weird birthmark. And it's and his eighteen seventy three think he's the devil's child and the the Golden Child is criminal. As why don't you love all of your products equally? Did. You have to say I do want to just make a quick comment, though which is very interesting to know the reliance on virtualization for Christmas don't have soccer about that now, but this is something that's turning the gears in my head. It's we'll talk about it later. Good it. The other direction they had though is that I'm still sometimes confused about the difference between. If you if you've got staff of people that need to run the full version of Microsoft Office. and. You're outfitting them with like good seven hundred dollar like I. Five based chromebooks Bryant Computer. Yeah and I mean I know that. Administrating chromebook is way easier than administrating windows particularly when you can just say Zap of. Changed I've just I've just relaunched. Turn back time and turn your computer back into what it should have been before you started messing with it, but that's always a question in my mind that when they when the when the slick haired sales the men and women at chrome or saying. What a paint a picture for you imagine your sales force strewn out into multiple okay and. Why do they? How do they deal with the one who listens to it patiently, and then s clears their throat and says yeah, but I don't I just keep buying windows machines for that. People know how to use windows they they can. They've been using windows machines so for so long that they can no longer feel the sort of pain. That windows can deal out those those nerve endings are now deaden. They've been they've been. They've been sanded down by windows for so long, so but I'm but I'm glad to see this kind of moving I hope this means that someday will get the same sort of thing like I would. It would be wonderful to have partnerships where. Imagining Dougal stadium only except instead of for games, it's for like real desktop APPs, because as I still like. For Enterprise! Don't worry. You can still run the layer the last of US part to. Just a way to sneak gaming onto your your work laptop, but yet when what I've been finding with with micro book. Is that the regular just chrome? Attitude will work for eighty five to ninety percent of I. Want WanNa do, but it would be great to have this one APP that I don't have that can only get on the desktop, and for that sort of thing, if I could pay five bucks a month to have Microsoft office, or have that real powerful word processor a that would be a very interesting thing to me and a lot easier than running liberal office through. Lennox you that much folks because. Roof Anyway, we will talk about that soon. I think we're and even thinking about doing a whole episode just on Chrome Os. Let us know by the way you can still tweet at us on twitter at Monroe podcast man. We had much news this week. I, think Google was trying really hard not to get buried underneath the WWe announcements, yeah! There there there are a lot of cool stuff. Very quick. We talked about the pixel feature. Drop a few weeks ago. Finally finally dropped dropped in the form of surprise had actually go. I actually had to go back and make sure that we really had talked about it because it was like well if they announced it like last three weeks ago pack, why are we only seeing like official google demonstration videos dropping like this week? And maybe maybe it was WDC, but all those features that we talked about finally here if you have a pixel. Are Pixel two three four only. The new safety APP will work on all pixels including my five-year-old ancient one so that. One less cool, one less cool thing. Google is now fact checking images. A image search! And they've been doing this kind of on the Schneide in. Regular Google search, but now. If you if your image search took turns up a photo that Google knows has been doctored or has used to. Promote. Disinformation. Than they will be an info box next to it just like any other piece of disinformation that you've done a search for and the way it does that is, it's not like slick. Ai! All they're doing is that they are they ev- every time a certain specific image keeps appearing on news articles and web postings about debunking the real truth behind this image, the the AI flags that says okay and examines the content around, and saying okay turns out that lots and lots of people are pointing out that no shark did not dive out of the water under the Golden, gate, bridge and try to eat a windsurfer at least. It. 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A testing ground for interesting ideas, so it's not really an APP yet. a lot of people describing it as sort of their a rival to Pinterest, and then possibly because they looked at it really quickly and quickly sort of reminding them of that and it was hot and they wanted to. You know, get out of the House and get into air conditioning so wrestling. Quick about it. It's actually kind of interesting. I've been playing with it for the past week. And unfortunately it's it's it isn't experimented. Does useful things Google describes it on the. On the official Google Tech blog as quote, a home for long-term interests, and when you start using it at start, you start to figure out what it's about like. If you have an ongoing interest in in a certain SUBJEC-, yes, you often probably do Google search for it. And maybe there are certain terms that are kind of like deep deep dive for that, and maybe you have like a folder of bookmarks for and certainly over time Google search is going to figure out that. If he's doing a search for. This about. Paris in eighteen ninety-five. He's not looking for he's. He's interested in art and he's interested in. In. prudes in art and a changing tastes. He's not necessarily interested in bicycle, races or stuff like that. Keen is interesting that it's sort of like that sort of automated stuff, but imagine that you have the ability to manage so for all of your specific interests like again i. I actually do have an interest in like art of the findus sickle. I know I'm mispronouncing. I've read about it. I have not actually heard people talk about it, but basically the end of the nineteenth century of every interesting time, and also I'm sort of doing research on some people who were artists and models at that time, and so it's not just. Oh, hi, Google I'm really interested in art in Paris in the nineties, and maybe you would start off with that, but you can. Can also add things like Oh, Frederick money's. He was like a sculptor that of ministered in, and then you add things like Oh, well the four arts ball that all the art students used to do like every single year, and it was crazy costume ball, and here's this model that worked for during that hero. Here's this woman. Sarah Sarah Brown who was kind of a model, but she was kind of firebrand. As you keep adding terms to it. It's creating a really complex search term. You are again if my knowledge after a week of using this and reading a blog post is turns out to be accurate. It's more like you're saying. Yes, Google, please find stuff for me, but I'm going to continue to seed you with specific details so that you get a better understanding of what I'm looking for. And so when I gave I was impressed out of the gate, because the first three terms I gave it where just top of my head, it was okay. Fin Michael had google alerts. That had a search of the correct spelling that okay the arts fall and I had to google to. To remind myself how that's spelled in French and okay Frederick Mac Monies and it gave me and I have our page of that interest and stuff that it's found for me about that and a lot of it is not relevant because it's early. Start that I've added to this, but some of it is I've seen that before, but you know what a human it would take a human being to understand that that is completely relevant. Even though you probably wouldn't turn that up with that kind of search and I it, it's worth my continuing with because it is interesting. The more details you add like the idea isn't sort of like. Oh, I'm going to spend a session with keen today. It's more like now. I'm reading a book about American artists. So all the all the wind up and Ginny. so okay, so I'll add that term to the thing, or here's an article that I found. That's really really useful. I want to remember it so if I want. Refer back to when I can add that URL are L. to this category. and. Interesting enough for me to keep using it and I know that at this point of being a Google user for so many years anything they were going to learn about me that they could use against me or to profit by me. They already have so. I don't think I'm giving them a whole lot. I just WanNa, know by the way that like pinterest. itself is a search engine which a lot of people don't realize. I know probably large number of folks listening in to our podcast. Probably know this, but I actually wasn't really aware like the the fact that it uses search, it does search very similarly to the way. The Google search engine works I started a page for mechanical keyboards, a long term interest of mine as you know and very interesting, it's very specific when you're very specific with the search terms, it will bring up very specific links but I. Just want to know how funny it is that one of the links that it brought up was a pinterest page of mechanical keyboards so I. Suppose It's getting very matter here. I'm very. Oh, one of my. One of my, why is it oh? Okay, sorry. I don't I didn't understand the fact that I actually have a profile on here so you can link people to your profile, and they can see what the long-term interests are that you're entail, which is very interesting. That's why I wish that they were clarify as I was. It's the user interfaces not very sophisticated at this point and I had to wait a minute, am I about to publish to the entire community of keene users are all four hundred of them many that interested in these topics and invite them. Please take a look at all. My search terms when I mean there's there's nothing there's nothing. embarrassing about what I'm searching for, but I don't necessarily want everybody to know that particularly five just investigating something and I'm just trying to learn about it and like no, this is not a please. Don't find the. Please don't find this really really obscure. A this this obscure. Journal. Where there a paper published that had all the information that I needed because I had I had to work like hell to find that I don't want people to I don't. I don't know if I. Don't know if you're like me in this regard flow, but sometimes it's like. I. I'm doing like a long term. Research Project and this research has been going on for many years because it's really entertaining, and it's really interesting to me and I know that. The reason why I haven't been like blogging about her tweeting about it is because the last thing I want is for someone at some culture blog at buzzfeed man is four ten pm, and I still need three more articles to meet my quota. Ooh, this person just talked about like this circus of women and great I'll blog about that like oh, also most like. Do you realize that that's like ten years of my having to work to find and I had to read through like three years worth of like weekly Parisian newspapers to find that image, and now like great. Now I can go home early like yeah, now if I do publish about this or right about this, you'll think oh yeah. I found that buzzfeed article on Google Search to lame. I think the only thing this is really going to be handy for is is wasting time. When I'm just trying to waste time and not work, you mean you mean procrastinate as as a distraction from the Harz of the world's outside. My Window Housing was to say distraction more from work, but yes, sir. That's the different. My windows the backyard which. is very dry right now because it's California in the summertime. It disowned also just reminds me of a visual version of the Google search email digest users for a term. So I've had the same Romanian news search term setup since like. Two thousand. Eight that I get in my inbox and this is what this reminds me of. It's like a good just let's see I could probably search for Romania, and it would do I Lord knows what's GonNa. What's GonNa? Come up in that so This'll be interesting. Andy now I have a new thing to waste time with. I Think. It's interesting enough they WANNA keep figuring out how to use it like you said my fear, though is that like in six months time like wow. I am learning so much stuff about. deadly. But then like I'll go to the web page or watch like the ANDROID APPS. Thanks for giving it a try. The experiment is concluded. We've taken away all your data. Hand and put it for something else. Yeah, and some of these are just like really used a wikipedia page for bucarest. It's just like. I don't need the Wikipedia page I want you to like. I want you to like find me. People who are interesting. All right we'll. We'll have more exam. That's probably not you but. For me, this is. This is also why I don't even just like. Complain about problems that I met that I'm having like the technology on twitter, because in some ways I certainly have a very defensive ego, and so if I said that man I don't know why I can't. My, my watch later playlists has stopped working I keep adding things, but they don't show up and then looks own people being incredibly helpful. Did, you know that there's like a five thousand item limit. I know that. Well are you? Are you adding it to the watch later? playlist or a regular place? Look I know how watch later platelets work now. I think that you think I'm an idiot for not knowing this. But. That's like the bad part of my brain whereas the normal. Thank you for being very very hopeful. I did try that unfortunately didn't work. Well I just would like to also add that. The keene ANDROID APP in in parentheses. It says experimental web APP Rapper, and then it says note. This is an experimental web. APP To make it easier to use staking dot com on your phone, not a native android APP, yet exclamation point and the reviews or two point eight out of five. Ouch this'll be. This'll be interesting I. Don't let's not I mean. Feel Dunk on it whatever you WANNA do But I'm very. Very curious to see what. will be the fruits of this labor tess. Well speaking fruits of our Labor did we mention only twice before that it's it's a membership drive period here at the mighty really FM network. Dot FM slash material. You can find out how to toss. Some extra. 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She's one step closer to collating reports and stuff like that I. Mean I'm just I. Really just want to get her to the point where she can push a broom around. That would really help. That would really. What if what if what if you got a Roomba and like glued like a child seat to it and then little by little started like like taking the motors out of the Roomba, so that now she's like kicking along with an amazing idea. I actually have a NEATO. Robot back which I like because it's d shaped just as an aside, but that I mean that is what people do with the innards. That's what robot vacuums are. They're just robots. Disguises vacuums. They're just they're robots needed jobs, and so they're doing the job you know, and then at night they they go to the arena and fight each other I. Don't know I am going on Oh. It's A. It's it's. It's very very smart. I've I have some friends who are musicians that have the most boring office jobs you can imagine the reason why they sought those out that way. I haven't used any of my creativity or my brain power I'm just doing like eight hours of meditation, and then when I get home, I have dinner that I. Do my real work for three or four hours, so maybe maybe you're you're you're you're versus us just your? Tip pursue what we love to do for a living and then just forever be turmoil by Oh God. Andy, what are you being term turmoil by? I talked on WBZ Boston public radio today about lots of holiday flavor. It's about W. W.. W. H. News Dot Org by the time you get this podcast, you'll be able to stream that episode alive, and as usual go to my instagram twitter that spell my last name is H., and is a Nancy a T. as in. Tom K. O. to get access to all that stuff I promise that I'm going to the beach I will. We'll have photos I. will I will post one photo at least of me at least up to my knees and water. 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Material 256: Lacking Certain Conviction

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Material 256: Lacking Certain Conviction

"Don't good morning good afternoon. Good evening this is the material podcast episode. I did the Oprah thing again episode number two fifty six recorded live and in person through the Internet on May Twentieth Twenty Twenty. I just really liked all the repeating of the number twenty in there. I'm your host Florence. I on. I'm joined by my co host. Andy Nocco who you all know and love from the Internet for a lot of cool numbers this week. It's you have the twenty twenty twenty and also to fifty six which is a power of two. So that's a good one so that's to me to her to anyone who grew up like myself programming Assembly language it's like Ooh F s totally digit for for that. There's the rollover and we're GONNA HAVE A. We're have a real problem calculating this digit if we can't we can't keep the numbers below two fifty six then we're gonNA need another registered for that. I'm so thankful for how much easier coating has become my generation's really. I suppose that's fair. That's fair actually exactly. Do you have any idea how difficult it was to show a picture on an apple? Two E. or even a Macintosh. It's like I the most fun I have is with my raspberry Pi and Python. Because it's like you know what I would like to be able to if I could find a way to draw curves and polar coordinates instead of X Z coordinates. And as I'm plotting this have it automatically shaded in three dimensions Boy that could take me like a month to code. Gee I wonder if there's a I wonder if there is a python library for that cousy move. Oh there you go. Python Library has check include their. Now we've got put simply pass it my digit pass the numbers and so the other day. I was complaining about news. I think it was podcast addict. They got kicked out of the play store. Because I'm freezing the C word. Yes not not not that C word. Us People Co Vid if leave apparently whatever rove whatever robots were doing content control at the Google playstore saying ooh people are people are using this podcast APP to download things about Cova that have not been screened invalidated as being not full of bs so we must ban this and then they're out. They never had to be sent metaphorical fruit basket after human. Being looked at this. Oh no that shouldn't have happened. We can't even pretend that was okay. Fun Fact Andy and I give you content without being screened before hance enter your own risk is so I got all like you know into my feelings about this and I was like. Oh how could they do this? But they have all that awful awful stuff. That's you know in rotation on Youtube because I keep seeing that stupid planned dynamic ad from the epoch times by the way. If you end up googling this please do it at incognito mode because it will affect your algorithm they keep showing that before every single thing that I go to youtube for. You know whether it's like I WANNA go watch my twit. My watch the episode of all that Andrew from the week you know just kind of see how did like a boom hit with that advertisement and what is this. And then I remembered that my friends suggested that I subscribe to Rabbit Hole. Podcast which is a podcast from the New York Times now. I personally have kind of cut out podcasts. That aren't like don't have a jovial nature about them and sometimes I don't feel that way about when it comes from a big media company because you're like well if I listened to this. I'm going to get depressed. And that's like the thing I don't want to do right now. You know I want to just go into something with a little air of lightness and sometimes it doesn't feel very light when it's coming from the New York Times that's what I mean to say so. Apparently I sat on this podcast for a while because I went in to my podcast that I use list and I remembered that I subscribe to it and I decided you know what I'm just going to have a bunch of like menial cms work to do today. So why don't I just put on? Put this on in the background. And Oh my gosh. Every time my husband came into my office like check up on me. Say Hi or whatever break up the monotony of the day. Who'd walk in and hearing listening to this podcast? Like what are you listening to? Because it's so well produced That it weaves in dialogue from Radicalized Youtube videos. And so if you're just walking into my room and hearing this you're thinking that I'm listening to some questionable content but what actually listening to a podcast Kevin Ruse Who is a writer at the New York Times? He covers tech. You've probably seen his name in the circles many times and he basically follows the he goes down the quote unquote rabbit hole. That of a youtube viewer to kind of figure out how a person could get radicalized because of the algorithm that sort of drives you to. It's really a great podcast Just in terms of production The way it's formatted but also it's very frustrating to listen to because you get so you start to get really worried. About the fact that there are people listening to this stuff. Inhibited uninhibited sorry. I I don't think I use that word correctly by. Yeah maybe that's what I meant an unfiltered. If you come at this content in with a certain set of circumstances in your life it can really hit can really hit a nerve a nerve which essentially radicalize you. Because if you're already angry about Abyan see like the the person saying these key words in this video you know this person makes you feel really seen and it's video. It's the same reason that you andy you and I the podcast like through skype because we wanna look at each other others facial expressions and as a result. We're able to connect this way. And that's why it's easy for people to go to youtube and kind of just instantly connect with what they see their So it's just it's a very fascinating podcast and I would. I haven't finished it. I'm on the last episode and I don't. I don't have any spoilers to give one of the things that's really interesting now. This is not a super spoiler. Is that there's a whole episode that weaves in quotes from interviewed Susan which key the head of Youtube and it's very interesting to hear some of the answers about like why she got interested in the position. How because of the way Youtube has evolved? There's it's kind of like you need to figure out what the next steps are if you work at Youtube where it's GonNa go from here but you kind of can't like I can't imagine with the resources that I have intellectually how you'd be able to be a step ahead of what's next on. Youtube because the progression that they talk about on the podcast from what Youtube started as what what I knew it. As in my college years for instance which was over a decade ago versus what it has become like you can ask me to guess at this would have happened that you would become the platform it is now and I think maybe some of the executives were in the same boat. And I'm just saying that based on the answer that Susan gives on the PODCAST She says something akin to like thinking that she was getting involved and I and I hope I did not misinterpret this but saying that she was interested in getting involved in the entertainment industry aspect of it but like you to clearly isn't just entertainment. It's also information and so now you're asking this whole philosophical question of why is information where the lines blurred and goes beyond youtube but it just youtube is. Kinda used as this is the one route were things need to be fixed. And it's just it's very interesting and they do cover some of the videos that were circulating during this whole pandemic It definitely if you have time. Give it a listen. I haven't finished it but I can tell you so far what I've listened to the five out of six episodes like I am. I WanNa read more. I want to go and read more. About how the Algorithm Works and Sink about how I could tailor it to make it better for me especially because now we have to go to youtube for music. If you're coming over from Google play music and Andy. I know that you didn't have an opportunity to do. The transfer from Google play to Youtube Music. I was not deemed worthy. That's as yet. I had a hookup. Okay I had a friend in a back alley. Who offered me a link? So I'M GONNA I'M GONNA put that out there that's how I manage to get in And that and by the way I had to switch over my podcast. Rss Feed the honestly talk broadcast to a youtube music. Friendly feed so. I think that maybe unlocked it for me. I don't know but but it's when we do talk about that not on this episode but it's GonNa come up a think we should talk about the integration of Youtube without really knowing what the future is for its Moderation because now with this news and this just happened. Yesterday's wasn't on. You know on our notes but now with the news that like Joe Rogan is going to spotify as an exclusive. I I am not on board with any of the content Joe. Rogan's puts out because he is he's got. He's got some very problematic views that I don't agree with Save some some views abused that really demand to be challenged but someone who is a guest on the show to promote a Netflix special. That's airing this week is probably not going to find. That's a good idea to turn this entire. Pr Opportunity into a fight. Over the the sources of the coronavirus rate right but the spotify exclusivity thing is is interesting to me just in terms of in terms of the way content is. I don't know there's there's a lot going on in in the world of Andy and flow and I know some of this is inside baseball but there's also a lot going on in just the way that people consume information and You know food for your thoughts. It's it's a complicated matrix. There was a really cool Very interesting study From researchers from George Washington University it was published in the Journal. Nature last week where they were trying to see how social media specifically one hundred million individuals like on facebook How the die where the dynamics of the Anti Vaccine Message? And how does it play out? Just basically turning that almost treating that like an organism and seeing where does how does this grow? What's what's the what's the best environment for it and was really eye-opening it was the I think there were. They were specifically looking at Anti VACs communities But it's very very relevant as we are hopefully within the next year Thinking about well this going. Hopefully it's going to be. There's going to be corona virus vaccine That were going to probably all have to want to take if were if we you know we want to not kill our families and still move freely and gather in groups and how. How difficult is it going to be after we actually have this on his tested? And it's proven to simply convince silly people to actually get get the virus and to administer the virus to their loved ones and the when they really interesting findings that they had is that If you have two sides of this argument you have the sign that understand science understand statistics and Statistics Statistics and probability. And all they need to be told. Is that if you get the shot and if your children get this shot the likelihood of them contracting very horrible disease that is off that is fatal times more often than common flu and also has side effects for children that we are only beginning to figure out right. Now you will probably in all likelihood duck out on all of that and now you can actually go to movie theaters again. That's really all we need to hear. We don't have to go as far as the movie theater. Part done now. How about the the antitax people the they were. They did their statistical models based on clusters. Like who who is receiving this message and the most most interesting part of all of this is that If you have the people that are absolutely no way. No how ever going to take a vaccine for anything okay. There decided and then there's our group who have also decided now then you have people who are sort of in the middle where they feel. They're somewhat rational people but the right message. Excuse me the wrong message of misinformation presented an exactly. The right way will find that one third report that against all odds the missile will actually into the cerebral cortex and actually have it. Effec- so It's not just one thing where oh I don't want to I don't want to. I don't WanNa die so I don. I definitely don't want this vaccine. No you can target The people who don't trust don't trust Big Pharma. They think that's big corporations are making profits. That's that's one cluster. Then there's a cluster of don't trust big government. The fact that they are they are telling us all to take. This means that there must be something about this and it's abridgement up by freedom of that everybody that the school is demanding that we take this. You can also have like the sort of Woodstock. Hippy be crunchy hippy. People say you know I feel as though I can treat anything that could go wrong with me or my children naturally without putting some sort of chemical in my body let alone one that has to be stabbed into my child's arms all these diverse groups and these the message tends to sort of Morph and shift and Take on the properties of whatever empty space in the head. You try to fill it you fill it into. And so that's the that's the challenge that a corona virus vaccine is going to face that you don't it's they're going to be a lot of people who are going to be swung over to that not because there is some sort of. There's a foreign foreign power intelligence agency. That's trying to kill Americans by tricking us into knocking the vaccine. No it's because of the nature of how many different Weak spots in one's vulnerabilities in one's common sense at this thing can target and exploit and this is exactly the sort of thing that does very very well on social media because you will be able to if there are one thousand nuts out there who think that the earth is actually round but it's actually a tube and it's actually made out of delicious cannoli crust If there are thousand people in the world that believe that hundred years ago each one of them would be to. Wow you're an idiot. You're such a total idiot but on facebook maybe five hundred of them find each other and now they have a community of five hundred people. And Hey look I'm not looking at all of these people out here who also understand the truth that are not willing to bend the knee. What the government says it that the government owned and internationally Noboru is one planet. Astronomer group says is the shape of the planet. So yeah it's A. It's a difficult thing I I do have. I do have some sympathy for folks who have to administrate and lead lead a service like youtube because this is not something that was baked in as protecting users against this sort of thing is not something that was baked in from day one. It really was the idea that we want people to not let's have no No gatekeepers whatever you WANNA post up there. So long as it's not illegal will will let you put it up there. They did not. They didn't create the culture of we are creating something that because potentially harmful that. Yes we are creating these beautiful Beautiful works of Art Silk Flowers and everybody loves But we've spent fifty years taking the excess dye and just putting it into the reservoir exactly and at some point you the culture so is so embedded in. This is the way you've been doing business that you're are. It's it's really really you have to put you have to fill the tanker truck full of the runoff poison. And then decide not to dump it into the river you then divert the truck into someplace else as opposed to actually preparing to dump it to begin with if that makes any sense. Yeah it's it's Links going to be in the show notes. Anybody WanNA check out the PODCAST. Definitely go do that. I think this is a good time to look into how your news is served to. You Trust only genuine university trained or the or in my case training on the mean streets journalists. Yes if ever do defend just I just like you If you if you if you think that the mayor is corrupt and you need to report to somebody what you do is your wait outside the reweight outside the the the police. The police station the big one in the city. And you look for the one car. That's not brand new and shiny the one that's like fifteen years old belching smoke. That's missing a body panel. Scott like the you know that that is the last honest cop in a deeply corrupt town and that's the person you entrust this information to and that's Colombo. I'm talking about mostly I. I'm imagining COP. That's played by Nick. Nolte or the two thousand twenty equivalent but since we're talking about you to I am going to help. Providers content providers actually movie studios. Because they've been taking it right in the neck this year. I could really use your help. They had big plans for the troll. Movie in and catch the fifty three million opening weekend at home. So I think think how much would have made if they were been able to release it to theaters for a weekend. And but yeah. I don't think I congratulations Tom. Hanks latest movie is going direct to streaming that? That's not a sentence that you expected to hear anytime after nineteen eighty six like after Definitely in the bachelor between also got cove though he had to remember him. Both I'm an Rita true and there is a pints of of Tom. Hanks blood out there that made me feel kinder maybe received a donation of timing splutter town. Tom Hanks antibodies But so here. So here's what was going on these. The the algorithm does doffed take definitely but sometimes it does give and I was I've been watching these compilations. That people have been putting together of nothing but like nineteen seventies B and C grade movie trailers and they are hysterically funny because they are so incredibly bad. And based on that it has it found in Someone illegally of course Posted put on Youtube. A nineteen seventy nine action thriller called seven and it's about this V. I. N. S. E. V. E. N. no it's not the event So but it's your it's your basic. You know someone there's A. There's a crime organization in as small and under the control of a ruthless cartel of seven gangsters choir services. An ex agent turned assassin drew savant. Who in turn assemble a team of seven hitmen to stop this and it is and I. I found myself starting to watch it like at eleven. Pm like last night the night before because it really did open strong and stupid. I mean it was the secretive making a good bad movie is if you just keep it moving forward. You know way with a lot if you just if you don't have a if you don't have like a five minute parking the car and then we'll getting out of the car and walk into the building seen or don't have like a meaningless dialogue. Seeing that goes I mean if you keep it moving along you you can get there and so I'm GonNa have to put the link for this show notes. Whoa WHOA WHOA. It's like flashing at me. Seven seven seven seven it is it is very nineteen seventies and I will also say that seventy nine. So it's on the cusp of the eighties. So it's got some it's got some of that a little more flair than just the you know stuck on the oranges and reds. They put put it this way. Like all the opening credits are done like Are Printed by a daisy. Wheel Printer often the big supercomputer of the FBI has so for all the background data on all these gangsters that they're gonNA try to round up but just put in the framework. It's but it is. It is the sort of like wonderfully bad movie. And I'm going to give some people as a a warning because parts of it are because it's cheap B grade movie from the late Seventies. A lot of it is offensive It's it has it. Has that These kinds of movies got a lot more interesting to me when I realized when I when I found out that a lot of movies are like made for. Tv they're like ABC or NBC or CBS. In the seventies would put up the five million dollars for like this movie. And that's the reason why telly. Savalas has like a minor role because they wanted to use. They want to put one of their stars in this movie and But they would also release it in Europe as well and so one of the giveaways of this and it is definitely one of the earmarks of this. Seven movie is anything that you can't possibly air. On American television it will will be a scene that has nothing to do with. The story will lift right out without disrupting what you understand about the plot or anything like that so again being a horrible exploitative seventies movie the assassins at some point get topless just casual just casually. Oh so it's a movie made for HBO. I see see that's then you realize that. So that's it's not like I'm going. Here's here's the scene in which like assassin number three like crime boss number three and of course she's going to lure him like on on the beach by being topless no. You can't have that because you have if they're gonNA AIR ON TV. She has to shoot him in a way that you can actually air it. But of course when she went her partner that she's teamed up with is like her on it of course she's making coffee totally topless just as women do just you know why would why would you wanNA roburt t shirt when you're exactly so but but but let's get back but getting back to the thing some women do and that is you. I'm to eat as their own yet. Is it has not been my experience nor my expectation. That casual nudity is the solution for the women that I have that I have known in that context again. They will they will. They will the ones that I have known with. Verona t shirt or throw on a sweatshirt or something when you know making their Brenick coffee vacuuming exactly or you know. I've got a return. All these phone calls. I better take off. Take off my blouse and the Bikini top underneath there. Yeah there you go. I am calling long distance. It might be a weak signal. See that sort of thing but so so. I'm watching so I'm watching this and it is gloriously cheesy and I'm actually kinda getting into it because the story it's a it's a it's a cheap movie. But the actual plotline is moving along and they've murdered like five of the seven Mafia people living that they they've been assigned to murder and at that point and so at that point At the movie kind of cuts off. And now we're seeing just like Like an movie digital title for like a movie site where that hosts all kinds of illegal illegally copyrighted like movies that you can a download and also probably get your computer infected with all kinds of viruses like the blobby blobby dot are you and I realized. Oh my God that is genius because there are times when I am If I've heard about about telly. Savalas was in some movie. And or Gene Hackman's in some movie nineteen seventy four than ever heard of what. It can't be very good but if it's gene Hackman I got to see it and yes it was a made for TV movie. And you know it's not you can't find it on. Dvd or BLU. Ray So yes if if someone has posted it on Youtube GonNa look for it. I'm going to watch it and if it's something that's other people are looking for. Probably there's going to be like the the the search results are going to be a gene Hackman. Nineteen Seventy Four. The the name of the window man and full movie. And then you've click it and it'll be just as the handmaiden boo boo to find the to download this to watch this movie authors go to Blobby blobby infect your computer dot are you and then but mostly it's like okay this clip. This video that that has been found for me is two minutes twenty seconds long. It's obviously not the one so basically to get me to potentially Pay attention to this list. Pirate link that wants me to hit. It didn't give it to me at the beginning when it wasn't interested in the movie. It gave it to me near the end when now we're in a five act structure. I four if I find out how this movie ends and the only alternative is to like by legitimate BLU ray off Ebay like A. I wasn't tempted one bit. But it did. Make me think that if if the giants studios really want to take advantage a youtube. They're not going to be doing using it for for surfing for takedown notices. They are going to take like Independence Day and then like right before the final battle. That's where the cut you. Oh if you really want to see this movie go to universal dot got go to I tunes or Amazon Dot Com where you can rent this for five dollars. Because if that if that's what I saw if that was if there was if there was an itunes link or Qr Code that we'd take me to the Google play store. Where for four dollars? Ninety nine cents I could rent it legitimately and watch the end of the movie. That terrible movie at that point yes. I would have spent five dollars to do that. So I'm saying that there's sometimes their lateral solutions to how to best leverage this new threat of wild west uploads on YouTube. Yeah now that is a really really good point Andy Usually I'll I'll rent a movie if it's a rentable if it's there it's available for me toss it five dollars. Of course I I would rather go that route and have the full resolution of it and you know subtitles. 'cause I watch everything with subtitles to get a better grip on what's being said but now I did send that link that Youtube Link to my husband. So we're going to. We're going to try and find that movie now because now. I'm curious and I just watched the trailer where you while you were talking about it. So I'm intrigued. There's a lot of explosions. It's like I said the law. There's a there's another movie that The I've actually that actually Looking for an actual legit copy of I haven't seen it is called. It's called the doll squad which is kind of a similar sort of structure. I've only seen the first ten or fifteen minutes. Angels exactly so it looks like a kind of a rip off of that Only there are like multiple dolls. Whatever but all I know about all three on to be the also available on prime video. Yes Oh you knew that. Sorry I see I. I haven't gotten I haven't bought it yet. I am global. I'm sorry but me tell you. What the big. The big deal is about this. I like ten minutes of it are like. Oh they've they've those. The super big bad guy manage to blow up the less a spate the NASA launch. They were taught to us from the phone now. I hope to talk. I hope that you're watching the live. The live telecast of the of the locker launched Mr Mr Daily and Poem Boredom. I Trust I've made by intentions clear. Now Click and so now they go bulk. We got to do something about this guy they go to an actual working like IBM mainframe computer room like they didn't like just get props and they basically went to some insurance company some bank and for ten glorious minutes you see what it was like to do like database programming retrieval and and and coordination they they load tapes onto real. It's not like one those phony montages of just like throwing sparks and making smoke. It was and then they get like a card deck and put it into the card reader where they put the stack inside this this hopper on the IBM card reader. They've put this special handled. Wait on top of it and then you see like the machinery did a co letting all this stuff and honest to God. It was the most the this I. I'm sure they were imagining. Who Doll Squad? People men are GONNA WANNA WATCH. Because they're gonNA see like women in jumpsuits polyester shooting people like no no please more shots okay. Well that's that was an IBM do they. Don't go to a burroughs machine across the street. The deep cut wait a minute. This is seventy nine. They could have had an early cry like a really early. Cray Research Honeywell want yet. So that's here's the this I I'm sorry my blabbering on we need to get it through the but this is this is why. I'm legitimately I more movies than I have never ever heard of only because somebody made an illegal posted one posted a copy legally to youtube and I couldn't bear to like not own it and they'll go to Youtube Amazon and find out that is if if it's not available at all then yes. I will definitely to steal it from you too. Because if nobody is if the if the copyright holder is not monitoring it I feel. There's no harm done. But even if it's I there was like a the the like universal has like a a make a burn to order like DVD. And Blu Ray Business. Where of course they don't actually keep these things in stock but if you make an order automatically goes to this computer that automatically burns a DVD prints out like the card art and sends it to you for eleven dollars. And I'm like damaged philosophical. I really need to have a copy of the doll squad. I don't even know what happens after the big computer seen but I've already gotten eleven dollars worth of entertainment just out of the computer scene. Andy should we go to an ad? So you can have money to buy more. Was this episode of material is brought to you by Leno. D- whether you're working on a personal project or managing your enterprises infrastructure load node has the pricing support and scale. You need to take your project to the next level. 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Let's just say that nothing makes a EEO or another city senior executive more Malleable to coming on someone else's turf in the form of podcast and talking things out any more than them doing all kinds of spreadsheets. All them off realizing that. Yeah it is so bad that there's probably nothing you could say on a podcast and a free spilling lot is dot. GonNa fix this life. A blog DOT GOOGLE DOT COM blog. Post is not going to put a sheen on this very very scratchy situation here so soon harper Chai Google's Google's leader leader of things official title leader of things he was on the verge cast the sauce week and Andy so kindly listened to the verge cast to basically outline some of the important parts of the conversation now. We're not saying that you shouldn't listen to the episode but if you have been hearing about this episode you're thinking boy I would love to T. L. DR welcome. That's what we're here to give you. I am taking the T. L. DR because I am listening to Rabbit Hole. So quite honestly. It just wasn't something that I had a chance to get you this week. But thank you andy for doing this for us So Andy I find it interesting. That kind of one of the first notes that you made in our outline was referring to what soon Darpa Chai was talking about regards to diversity and I mean it's important to note. Even though the big big story was about what was happening in the Pixel hardware team There was also the report last week from wired. I believe That there has been a scaleback on Google's efforts to promote its diversity initiatives and really put money into that and so that was kind of the first question on the verge gassed you know it was a Neil Patel in Bonn where our host the verge cast and I was the they let off by talking about. Well it's less address all the news that all the bad news that happened last week. And get your reaction to this sort of stuff and yeah. That was the first. So they're asking specific questions about this for his comments. And of course the answer was from sooners mouth probably have more resources invested in diversity now than at any point in the company in respect to scale and resources a probably true on you know this is like when you have to give a statement to appear in court. You're they tell you never to give information just to agree or disagree to the facts that are being presented to you kind of thing and this. This is what it's you know it's like I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with whether or not those reports are true instead. I'm going to tell you this fact. Which is that we probably do. Have more resources invested in diversity now than ever before I mean? The numbers speak for themselves in our charts. And in this case that would probably be true. We don't know what that money is going to. We don't know if it's going to actual I mean I don't know kicked if it's going to like snacks for the different clubs like I'm sorry that was that was so I'm not trying to like your minimize. What might actually be a great diversity. Effort that this kind of answer for that kind of question is unsatisfactory for somebody like myself. I find it. Unsatisfactory given given that last week's article was of eight different sources of of current and former Google employees citing specific examples of specific diversity programs. That had been eliminated or cutback in staff that had been reassigned to other to other divisions or whose contracts weren't renewed This was a very obviously a very sort of key on a In which she is not He did not compare Norwalk. He was not prepared to nor was what did he expect that he'd be. He'd be in a position to say well here. The here's what we did in two thousand seventeen and hear the numbers and twenty eighteen in here are a specific program that we diverted from A to B. So they're they're not make matching facts to facts. I also want to point out by the way that this podcast was three men speaking at a time so just kind of want to point that out there well to be fair that that I think those are Neal I indeed her to like regular regular host. The podcast I now. It's just but it's just. This conversation is not going to go anywhere in this particular environment. So in terms of talking about diversity and and that report because eventually the podcast. Kind of you know veers into other territories so they talked about criticism from conservatives. You know they assumed are replied to that that we don't bring any Lens. Any such lends to the criticism from conservatives and that among other things we make sure that people can express their viewpoints Where was the I mean? Andy Do you feel like there was a in? I don't mean to put you on the spot my dear co host. I'm just generally curious if you felt like there was any pushback on those two things because I feel like Those are two very heavy things. Diversity and you know addressing criticism from conservative viewpoints. That are highly problematic. I don't think there was But the to- the tone of this It was the the tone of of Sundar Pichai appearance on the verge cast wasn't an today. We've got here to respond. Allegations charges are so. I don't I don't think were pressing him on it. It didn't it didn't seem as It's it's it's it's hard to explain I don't think that was It was it was definitely an environment in which she was given the freedom to talk which is not necessarily a bad thing But this is not the sort of thing with the follow up. Question is well. Can You name a specific instance? Which a specific move that. You made In which In which you just If you deleted one program that you more than matched it with and move to another. He mostly mostly echoed. What was said in the brief statements that have a Google representative of offered? Which is that. We've decided that we don't do really well At at designing a diversity program and therefore we're hiring we're hiring consultants who do nothing but developed diversity programs for big tech companies such as ourselves And you all once again using the word scale saying that we scalable solutions which means it has to do anyway. Anyway look I could stay on that forever and And we're not going to because there was there was actually some very a in. I don't know why the wrong word came to my brain In Indicative God. That's not the right word again. Flows some brain problems today? I'm just tired. Y'All I'm tired. I'm having like a week so anyway. Su Soon Dr did discuss the performance of the Pixel line and that was kind of a lot of people's minds and and phone industry. Talk is is very inside baseball. I think I think Andy and I get more of a a think. There's insight there that a lot of people can get but I just feel like that's something that is just not you know it's not future telling sort of thing so what what soon are said. Is that the last. Two years have been a major integration phase for us Regarding the integration of Nessun. Acc and there's been a lot of the other hardware is hard. It takes real time to get. It writes He talked of longer timelines. Taking a long-term of were computing needs to go and he reminded us to think about the intersection of hardware software and services in kind of how all that has to Meld for these things to come together sooner added. What we'RE DOING. We'll take three or four years to play out and I mean that's fair. Took US four years to get to the. Pixel for to get to what we have now. You know it started. I felt like the Pixel line started out really strong with strong hopes. And we've kind of seen that like maybe maybe goals a little stuck. Maybe that's what we got with the Pixel floor and it seemed that like soon Dr I was giving that in this interview though. Maybe not so explicitly. Ya the the other interesting tidbit from that part was mentioning that the Pixel three a was in fact the first Phone that was developed after the integration of the HTC team into Google And so a lot. A lot of the SCUTTLEBUTT was that it was actually the pixel floor but it just goes to show that a lot. I it that a lot of effort has to go into just getting this new team up and running Now that's that doesn't carry much water for people who were optimistic enough to spend to pay full price for Pixel for on launch day. Not knowing that we're still this is this is maybe our second practice phone. Maybe and maybe you'd want to wait for the Pixel Five. We apply the lessons. We learned from the Pixel for which by the way like. That's an an amazing privilege for Google to have to be able to say like we're doing some practice runs here. You know because there he he didn't say that explicitly but that's okay. Yeah Fair enough. So as soon are did point out the hardware team. Kinda is focused on three goals. Right now which is to drive computing forward to guide the ecosystem. He cited the next seven tablet as a positive example of this with the watch trajectory kind of negative example. And I appreciate that. That was brought into the fold. Because you know people noticed and and you kind of saw that sort of coming out from Google employees. There was some mention. I think Last year I o of how like watch. Os wasn't really floating around as much as expected would the third goal Sooner said is that we really we need to really build a sustainable hardware business. And so maybe this is where. I backtrack actually what I was just saying about. Google trial runs but at the same time I mean it I think for the company to stand out on its own from the partners that it has in in this platform on this platform. I should say is to really take a concentrated effort. Every time it launches a new phone With the next is hardware. The onus was on the developers making sure that they had the relative stats the relative specs in the hardware to kind of develop to and now. I think it's just more figuring out. How do you translate all of that development all of that good development into something that people want to spend Samsung money for right? It's it's the Google does have so many assets to bring to bear on a on a on a on a prestige phone and the idea of making sure that the artificial intelligence team is working in concert with the architecture team which is also working with the design team. You're now you're also realizing that a lot of these people don't even necessarily remember. Where is their assigned parking space get? So it's it's a the it's after the thing kind of disappointed me the most about last week's ago behind the scenes of revelations where Rick Stilo coming in a couple of months an all hands meeting for the Pixel team before a couple months before the release of the Pixel floor and saying here all the things. I'm disappointed with of this like why are you. Why were you not talking to them all along and fight? Did you not say you see this battery? We're not gonNA use your idea of a battery because we're going to have to put in a much bigger battery aren't we? It was very surprising to have someone that senior pint basically saying after the damage is done and after we're locked into creating a phone that I according to these comments that have been attributed to me and going to be disappointed with So that it does. It does point to it leads. It creates the impression that Google wasn't necessarily saying this is every single pixel phone re release has to be a home run and the survival of the where we have to act as the survival tire company in our reputation is on this and to hear. Senator is speak of this is it's all about having platforms all about It's all about integrating of all these divisions and finding a way to leverage everything that we do and somewhat things we're doing expect it's GonNa take a few years to play out and in the meantime the I he didn't say this but they the the parenthetical is that in the meantime the idea of not shipping a phone this year or next year is simply not on the car not on the table. So it's not it's not as though they're okay I. I think I'd be going way too far to say that. They're okay with stripping deficient products. But I do think that from their actions and from their comments that it's not we have to. We have to solve these probably for shipping in October. We have to solve these problems in. May We have to make sure that all work at all. We're working on our really. Spending over and arguing about in September is kind of wallpapers are going to be shattered shipped with it exactly now. There's there's a lot discussed in this podcast upset. So definitely we will link in the show notes that you can go check it out yourself after you listen to us. Of course please finish this episode. Thank you but I do want to bring up a couple of other little tidbits soon. Dr Did talk about the messaging strategy and something on everybody's mind every injured users mind. The question was whether this moment in time was a moment of clarity for goal and now that the company is relying on messaging so much more than ever before and sooner replied that when Kobe hit. We weren't done making the change to meet that we wanted to make a covert has blurred the line between consumer and enterprise. And that's certainly true for the people at home who are juggling fulltime job and several children at once. Because that's that I mean that that is it right there. That's it right there. The consumer in one hand and you know work life balance. There's no such thing right now. He did say though that it's making more progress than it appears and because there are so many people signing up for Google meet the product has gained some momentum he also talked about our and how it sort of the unifier of of this messaging strategy. He feels that a phone number. Based system is an important part of messaging system that works for all android users. And I would imagine that has to do with the way it's used in other markets. Young I I I I didn't. I didn't expand that note a little bit that was in response to like Comparing a Google's messaging strategy to the way that apple is handling There with facetime and I message that he's making the point that took an apple. Id or an email address or phone number or whatever doesn't isn't going to be as effective for what a measuring up. He thinks that gap has to do. That's making it. If they want some. That will work across all platforms. It has to be tied to a phone number. 'cause that's the one thing that is one of these devices is going to have Well he did mention that different carriers having different RCN S. Implementation's is one of the big sources of fragmentation with an android sounds familiar And he said that he's simple that simplifying that is will be a tremendous multiplier for you know helping band together the android platform. I feel that we all feel that way. It's the same boat as you said. It's facebook minute messenger apples. I message This needs to be something that unifies us. There is some discussion about how are changing. Its business during the pandemic Things about how you know workers going back to work or or going to be Funneled in there is some discussion about Savar walking us through the day. When trump held up that chart said that thousands of Google engineers working on an APP for testing talks to. I don't WanNA spoil it. I feel like Chicago and give it a listen also talks about google barely efficient because if if I if I can interject your personal because there is a one unfortunate for a point in this podcast were Sundar mumbles a little bit and so he was the mumbling part that no matter how many times I replayed it. I could not get a fix on the two or three words. He was saying or the tone that he was saying the men because they were. They're asking him there. They they were putting him on the spot asking directly. Okay so this Reality Challenge individual stated. This was happening at Google. And maybe it wasn't happening that way. Why do you responded what was going on at that point and I it seemed it seemed to me like as part of the response in the mumble? He was saying trump was full of crap. We had a we had. We had to provide the real information because that guy had no idea what he was talking about. Fortunately I could not confirm that but if I could again if if I want to use the voice to speech feature on on my android phone my pixel phone to see if it can make sense out of that because it's eighteen missing minutes from the Nixon Tapes. As Soon Dr did talk about is so they did. Ask Him about Kind of the relation to what facebook is doing to how it announced Basically what amounts to a World Supreme Court for free speech on its own platform? So the question was. Do you think Google will have to do something similar to manage the very very old problem of reliable information something that we were talking about the top of this podcast? That was that was neil is question unfortunately Neil If you're doing a podcast I'm gonNA give you all advice including people who are more famous and successful and make more money than I am. What you WANNA do is if you're having to people You definitely want to have diversity absolutely Be The thing you want diversity for is you have. Let's say one person who has a lush rich baritone such as this and then another person who has a very sweet higher sopranos sort of voice so that but when you have two people who are like tent if you're two men and their tanners and you have someone who is trying to was. That neal was that dealer of that. Sounds like a Neil I question? I think that's A. Yeah that's how I seen that in some. I mean I mean that as a positive thing I just wanted to make stand. I want to make sure that Some might not your Some of these are transcriptions of questions. Too I WANNA mix. I wanted to make sure that Neil I or or debtor nealer. Let's say gets credit for crapping. The question I think he he was the one who referred to the facebook social free speech initiative as being sort of like a Supreme Court of worldwide And to this Dr replied. It's the foundation of while in terms of information is the foundation of what our yeah. If reliable information is the foundation of what our company was built on. It's something we've thought about for a long time. For example on Youtube for the past four years for categories of information we relied on external experts. We partner with counter extremism organizations and tap their expertise to help shape or policies. They also do similar things with anti harassment. Google says is relying on deep experts profits governmental expertise as a natural way to deal with these problems and that they will look to see what the learnings from facebook oversight boards are but relying on outside policy. Experts is generally how Google approaches this particular problem. There's so much more to this interview to get into and you can again put the link at the show notes. You go give it a listen. Do what apologize if I kinda went into this like bitingly. I think it's just I. I think that it's great that Google send. Sooner Patricia to do this. I think this is the reason that Dr is in the position that he's in his at Google because he is relatable in a manner he's able to do things like this and it seems and it is organic for Google to do that verses. We never expect something like this from. Let's say for comparison apple to really come out and like talk on on a podcast about this stuff where I get. My gears are sort of grinded where my years grind. However you'd say that Is just that. I think there's so so much more happening at ghoul than just what it's doing on hardware what it's doing with apps that needs to be more thoroughly covered Than it is now. I think we are. We are seeing more coverage of these things. We're seeing more headlines around. Things like diversity initiatives In you know what Google is doing with us. What is ostensibly dangerous? Information being circulated around the web but But I feel like we could be doing more to make that sort of Concern mainstream enemies concern said Andy inflow concern but andy flow. We're hanging out in the trenches and getting dirty with everybody else so we see what's happening but if I take this to to a friend this might not be something that would immediately come to mind. And so that's kind of you know where I I just wanted to explain myself. Thank you for the opportunity to better. I think I think made an excellent point. That apple is way more conservative when it comes to they do sometimes have Tim Cook Tim. Cook go and talk to a civilian. They do sometimes let the Super Super Vajpai. Vice-presidents talked to a certain civilians but the controls they put under that are so severe and they work so I I obviously have no information on how This podcast was set up and I. It's all conjecture eater. There are two emphatically emphatically they're non bozos so I think I think that at worst They were days. They made the rational choice that this is not the this was. This was not a meet. The press sort of situation right was being offered to them. That I'm sure that also because there are legitimate journalists. They also didn't agree to terms that. Here's what you're allowed here. The questions are allowed to ask. You have to give these answer. Questions in advance I think that they made they did an interview. That was very appropriate to the verge cast Because again it's not a meet the press situation where they're they're very few situations in which it is easy to interrupt someone the interview subject when they've just something that was factually incorrect and point out. I've statistics in front of me. You've just lied in front of like my eight. Eight million viewers here on watch more retirees or watching television on Sunday morning after coming home for mass But it but it's I did get the impression from this. This is a lot more open and a lot more honest and a lot less planned than Tim Cook. Interview would certainly be. This is soon Dr. This is who he is as a person which is why I think this is very fitting. I just wish that I could get into. I wish I could be a fly on the wall those discussions because I wanna know what's happening there because it's affecting me as a consumer of their product. So that's that's how I'm coming at it And I appreciate for those of you listening in again. I'm not I and I'm sure there's some criticism like whoa flow. You didn't actually listen to the interview. So what are you talking about? But I've been reading about the interview so I just you know if says the and the verge certainly Made good use out of it. They've actually broken up into. I don't think they've publisher transcript. But they've broken it into like three or four different feature articles Based on the four or five different topics that got into during the during the conversation but I do urge everyone to listen to the actual conversation. Because that's the sort of context where you'll understand where the flow of the conversation is going where where the hosts decided to press certain points Where they wanted to. They realized that they've got exactly. One hour's worth of time and a can cover. Executive assistants are are harboring to not not to cut the MIC. If they ask a question they don't like but we've got a one hour of CEO's time the things that a CEO can do for our company in an hour's time is immensely valuable so they were not they were not going to get one hour one minute and so if they're if they really wanted to talk about if they really wanted to get to the facebook stuff if they really wanted to get to our CS and messaging They couldn't say liquid. Make this a whole hour on diversity and the trail forms of the so But that's that's I'm saying it's I. It's a very very listenable river entertaining and if anybody has any comments suggestions observations tweet us. At Madeira. We read those tweets. And we see you and we'll begin talk about it on podcast here we love to. I had the wonderful opportunity of having my very first Google meet briefing during the coronavirus pandemic. I will tell you I was just as nervous about about it as I would be approaching the group of journalists in physical spot. I always have that little bit of anxiety. You're just like okay. I can't work mode like you're going to be around a bunch of like colleagues like you're going to be in front of the executives. I didn't think that I would feel so nervous but I did. Thankfully I could have a camera off. So that was off I just I just thought it was very interesting. You know it was like telling my husband I just. I'm first briefing like over the Internet. Like and it was it was great. I thought it was really I thought it was definitely something that we would have seen. Google I O had. It still been held but I'm really I feel very privileged to have been privy to this news as it was As it was launched. Kind of thing so google so okay Today Thursday may twenty first. Which is the day that this podcast publishing in feeds is global accessibility awareness day and so in honor of it. Google is has launched a bunch of new features. That are accessibility geared. Okay so there were three kind of major announcements centered around around the stay so the first one is a an easier way for you to see which locations which restaurants which trail heads that kind of thing or we'll wheelchair accessible so be able to talk on the setting in Google maps. And you know if you're looking for like a grocery store You're looking for a FROYO place when we go out again He'll be able to see this little wheelchair icon and it kind of lets you know like hey wheels are we are wheel friendly so not just wheelchairs. But say you're it's me and Mona. We WanNa go out and get some ice cream. So I'll know I can bring Mona there. Or or maybe you know you have an elderly parent who requires a Walker to get places so all of this. Let's say you pull the hell out of your hamstring in your right leg three months. Yeah you want to take the ramp. You don't WanNa take stairs. I don't claim to understand what it is to to have a physical disability day to day. Today today I but I do understand how effing annoying it is when like there's only one ramp access and they've decided to put it way off to the side and now even though like it even with crutches it hurts to walk. I'M GONNA walk all the way around to the back and drinks and had I known that the back into that they'd the front entrance was not like ramp accessible. I probably would have had the uber. Drop me off at the back to begin with so yeah this is such a this is this is why you features like really really hit me hard. That some of these things there so basic like just tell me. Let's let's do what you have to do to label publicly accessible areas to as is accessible for people who are used assistive devices or is it not accessible if accessible? Which entrances on. Which streets do you have to go to to use the access bills areas and it was just as simple as saying. Oh you know all the you know the the the the the the the junior rangers that we send out the local guides that tell us like that is there. Is this place known for takeout? Can you get to in this place like how about we also have some? Oh while you're there. Could you check to see if there's if there's handicap accessibility if there's places to park if there were places to park a van and if so could you mark on this map and that was just according to according to the blog post? It took them what three years and they just basically Google surveys. That you've got tens on for answering at the end. I will say though I. There's I don't know that there's any explicit like front entrance back sort of thing but you will see this icon just below opening hours so it's fully available there. You'll also see if there's accessible seeing an accessible parking area so you know if you're driving You it's good to have those full details. So that was one. Kinda one scope of the announcement from the Google maps team. And then there is an announcement from four new feature on android called action blocks now. This is a very interesting little piece here because although it's going to be very helpful for folks either maybe can't speak to the assistant Like they can tap so this'll be really helpful in this in this particular situation but I think I have to actually get this checked but I think these work with talk back because of the nature of what they are so what action blocks are are effectively. Google assistant widgets. I'm simplifying it. This is not how Google described it. This is just how I'm describing it to you the listener essentially Google Assistant widgets. That you can place on the home screen and allow you to do basic phone functions like launch an APP to do a video call you WanNa launch duo and call a specific person. You would kind of format at the same way that you would put in an assistant routine and that manner Or You could just tap on the button on your homepage and boom. That's it the lights are on kind of thing. That's such an important basic thing both cognitive cognitive problems but also of the difficulty and tapping target whether he using your finger or whether using assistive device. If it's GONNA be the same for sequence of four taps anyway. Isn't it nice to be able to combine them into a single one tap? Object a target. That's on your on your phones. desktop That's such that's such a cool thing now I wasn't I wasn't in the on the pre briefing I I only have read like what Google has published and it it made it sound like I don't want to say that it sounded like Like a shortcut APP but And this is. This is a downloadable APP on the play store. The old just go the place to look for action blocks and downloaded. It made me wonder what somebody who just wants to be able to drop shortcuts on their their phones desktop. What could they do with this as well? Now all I think that was actually the whole point of this feature and actually the whole point of the presentation was that we think so. Much of accessible access ability features in terms of these are features for people who need accessibility. But in order for us to normalize that sort of use we kinda need to stop thinking about it. This is This is something for somebody who needs accessibility features kind of thing we. This is just something everybody can use. But it's going to benefit a particular subset of people even more than another subset of people so speak so I have the option to use it if I want I just don it from the play store set it up as I would. Any Google assistant routine and it will do. The thing for me will do the shortcut for me or I could get a fresh phone and I could set it up for a loved one and kind setup all those actions for them so that when they get home. Their phone is helpful in this way One of the things that actually I just remembered was that there was a discussion about the fact that because phones have become just these integrated part of our lives and it doesn't make any sense that somebody who would rely on. Accessibility features doesn't have the same functionality that unite Andy. It's it doesn't make any sense because if we're saying that these phones were the portal to your life while it's not the portal to everyone's life then right if it's exclusive to you know certain usability so I I always. I really appreciated the from Google. That they they make such a published a blog post. They tell you about a new feature and they bring awareness the fact that there are people who maybe do rely on accessibility features they bring awareness of the fact that interfaces need to be they need to be universal and. I appreciate that a couple of other little news to bits. The came out live transcribe is getting some new abilities. So the phone will vibrate if the MIC PICKS. Up Your name so say somebody is talking talking talking talking the sacred name. Your phone vibrates go. This person is mentioning me. Okay you kind of helps you know it really just point out how wide if you really WanNa make a phone that is usable by everybody That that you have to think so broadly and understand all of your users. And there's a lot of people that they it's either difficult or painful for them to be socially engaged Twenty four twenty four seven. And it's sort of you need to. You need like Calm Yourself. A little bit by. I'm just GONNA sort zone out a little bit and I'm not going to really pay attention and this will just simply bring you back into ozone zone is asking me a question right now so I need ready to actually lock on and focus a little bit and to that end you can actually add a custom name or or accustomed term for anything in your life in life. Transcribes DICTIONARY This kind of helps precise the experience. So maybe somebody calls you a name. That some cutesy name or something. That live transcribe doesn't immediately understand. You kinda dig. You have to dig a little bit into the settings but then you can can put that in and life transcribe will take it from there at all understand going forward rich uncle. Keep saying okay. He will he wants. He wants ME TO DRINK. Something really really high alcohol in the book and clink the glasses. He's being a good friend. Journalists might appreciate this. If you're using live transcribe for transcribing interviews for instance You can actually search past conversations. The condos are saved up to three days on the device. So you have three days to kind of access that information. There's also some new features being added to sound amplifier So kind of like instead of just having sample firework with a wired said of headphones now they work with Bluetooth headphones which is great because these are becoming so mainstream. I mean everybody's got an air pot or Samsung Bud or pixel bud or Sony headphones without a wire you know you want that feature to be able to work so now that works and also It's it's a really. It's something I didn't even really consider but they were spelling out. That will now like you're in a lecture. You can like if you you can leave your phone like the lectern. Your professional is professor is talking professor talking and your now but you know you go back to your seat like ten roads back but because you're within Bluetooth range now you can actually hear him. Think about that. And that's a great. That's a great point. That's great but I'm GONNA put my phone here so that I can hear you in the back of the room kind of thing that's great You can download this also from the play store and it also does amplification and to Kinda. Add clarity if you're listening to music or maybe a podcast or something of the sort so just a bunch of very helpful little features those are not the only news items is just kind of the ones that really stood out. There's a couple of other little bits and BOBs That were announced part of this. But we will link in the show notes. If you're interested we don't normally when a bombard you with pandemic news because there's so much of it that is probably barrelling at you. Every single second of the day anyway but this is interesting. And it's it's part of what Google's doing so we thought we would bring listen under the wire hair the very end of the show Google and apple have officially released that exposure notification. Api The one. That is supposed to tell if you've been in contact with somebody who's had Govan nineteen. Ooh We'll link to the Washington Post article on it. Basically the Walpole piece claims that he'll be practically useless. This was it was. It was a weird thing. There was there it was. It was like an editorial sort piece that went alongside like the news. Item of and it was I thought that most of the arguments that the was making were I'm not gonNA use the word that I put in this private documents shared between floor myself. I feel as though I've for public consumption and I will say that I feel as though they lacked certain conviction They're mostly there's there's A. There's a very Salient argument to be made about how these These contact racing APPs might not be nearly as effective as we need them to be and one of the most potent arguments is that we need to get the at least sixty percent of the phones out there actually running this APP that if we really want to have have a a notable effect on the radio transmission to make sure that people who are people are notified that they need to lay low for a couple of weeks. Is You've come come come in contact with With somebody who's got the sticking the nose and got the two minus signs at the end of it when they when it was pulled out And so that's that is going to be a struggle it's also going to be a good referendum on how many people actually have Smartphones that are modern enough. They can run an APP like this. How many people who are running feature phones? How many people are running Like blister pack phones from the drugstore On like a Sim that you saying fragmentation is another problem here for Andhra very especially especially people who afford nice phones are some of the people that are most at risk of contracting absolutely so that that is definitely a an important argument to make one of the things that the the big thing that they're saying they're in the headline there clear quoting certain Public Health experts quote unquote saying that the appleby practically useless unquote. But the the the beef that they have with is that it is a decentralized solution. Where all of the secrets are kept on your phone to maintain your privacy. And the argument that they're making is that unless the public health agencies of each country's government of each region have to location data and they have the ability to try to sift through that data and make determinations based on that it's not going to be effective and tracing their the velocity of of communications of communiqu ability and okay that's That is I I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that the it has to be centralized or else. The APP is useless Because the argument. Is that if you make centralize number one. Good luck getting people to install this thing on your APP that says not only will attract you wherever you go. It will also communicate this to a government agency. We were talking about those types earlier in the show and that's where like In that study washing university now you get to my blob. That's as wait a minute. You mean that I can. My data is going to be sent to sent to the centralized government and it might not be secured properly so that outside agencies could be finding or maybe a law enforcement agency could get access to it. Even though they're not in the healthcare industry I say the way. But it's the one of the people that they get they on quote on the record here as also. It's such a shallow silly argument that oh course you apple in Google they. They're being selfish. They they WANNA grab all that all that location data for themselves and not share it with the government like no they say they don't want to screw over their their their their users. They also don't want this phone to die after ninety minutes of battery life because it is constantly picking a central server to let know where it is and where it's been so it's I just. I just thought that it was A. It's if there was a very very Valuable article to be written about. How just because the two biggest to the biggest titans and technology are have gotten together to present a cogent coherent and A set of API's that will grant access to the hardware stuff that a tracing and tracking APP needs to have in order function. That doesn't mean this. This is a solved problem. It's there's still a lot of things that have to happen correctly in order for this to be an effective tool. But yeah this wasn. Don't stick to put putting the headline that is practically useless. Y- kind of lost me with the headline. Yeah and that. Kind of a bummer. A bummer what a bummer. To See like your RSS feed in your feed who knows using ours anymore. Health officials say OH WE PRACTICALLY USELESS TECH. Giants have refused officials pleased to allow the collection of location data. Yeah because people keep yelling at them renting their shirts saying. Look at this poor wastrel child. We've cooked that. We found in the streets. How can you look upon this poor sad sick face and say nay? I will not give location data of three hundred twenty eight thousand semi automated users by no. No no you guys listen. Here's the best a the. Here's the best thing that you can do right now for society for your fellow human for animals. 'cause I hear the cats and dogs are getting this stuff to stay home? Don't leave your house. I know it sucks. You know what I get it. I'm sad my neighbors said everyone's sad. We're just just do what I do. Eat Cookies every night you know. Just look it's it's fine just e cookies. We're sweats all the time. I think that's it for me this week because I'm clearly right now. I don't know what it is about this week But it is what it is and I. I'm just so thankful to be here with Andy and Jim Listening in and all of you listeners. Andy Do you have any closing words for this week's material podcast again? I'm not kidding about the movie. The doll squad. I really think now. It's all already so she's my husband is just gold pure gold. Well I sent okay but I sent seven to my husband and his friend in a Google hangout and then I put the doll squad aside the site of my brain because I saw. There's a cinematic titanic about it but I don't know I mean I don't know if I have to check I. I don't know about Manic Titanic. I only owe mystery science theater and we're talking certain seasons here so I'm trying to figure out if there's and I I forgot to mention about if I if I haven't sold you on seven already. It is the sort of movie where if you if if an assassin simply pours like maybe a couple of pints of gasoline on the roof of a car and then like runs away and throws a match at the car. The Hood will go light on fire and then eight seconds later. They'll be a fireball the size of a large deciduous tree. If that's there'd be like just just because there's a little little puddle of gasoline. The load that will cause an eighteen pounds of explosive to ignite and send the thing hurling through the air. I'm saying that I. I think this movie knows what it's about. It's like national treasure. Yes it's silly. What's your point exactly and quite honestly we could use a little bit of that right now. Exactly it's nice. It's nice to lose. It's nice to just enjoy something that is just I want. I don't WanNa Watch like archive of like frontline documentaries. Listen I'm going to end the show by saying that you become a member of the show related FM slash material. Keep us off the streets. Yes and I'm also GONNA end this by saying last night. Frontline did come on after. I watched a documentary American experience and editor at off because there was about stuff. We don't want to talk about so on that note. I think it's time for Florida. Go if you need to know more about flow you know where to find me on the Internet. Andy Are you doing Radio this week. Yes on Boston poetry again. This Friday I think at eleven thirty a M if you visit me on twitter where I'M H. An at Ko will have the exact time Friday morning or just hit. W. G. B. H. News Dot Org. They usually have an archive of All the shows like about the day after the evening of just to a search for my name again. The price of admission is spelling. My last name is H. A. Deco L. which I'll be honest with of left me out until age thirteen or fourteen. I couldn't even pronounce correctly till I was ten. We're going to end on that note. That was good anthony. Thank you thank you. Everybody for tuning in this week will be back next week. Hopefully Andy will have you to music by next week. So until then have a great seven days by everybody by.

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Material 205: Unbridled Capitalism

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Material 205: Unbridled Capitalism

"Good morning afternoon. Or evening pleased, delete as yet. Hello there. Welcome to this episode number two zero five of the material podcast. I am Andy nocco and dime, Florence. Hi on. Hello Mandy Hello flow. We I should I should mention my good news listeners because I'm just I was just telling flow that by the I'm, I'm having internet problems. So I'm doing the podcast from a nearby public library, but on the way out the door, there was a kitty that I didn't recognize that like, kind of like the top of the stairs that go to the outside, and she and the kitty seemed for all intents and purposes, seemed like kitty that belongs to the person who lives across the hall for me and got shut out and his waiting for someone to come back to be. Let back in how ever I did tell the kitty that this is a very, very dangerous place. Top of the stairs. And that if the kitty is still there. It has not been let back in, when I come back and hour and a half, two hours kitty could for its own protection like come inside my place, and I'll leave it up, make note, leave it on the door of the Oba the way kitty like was the owing owing, so I decided to let him say. And I didn't tell the kitty this because I didn't want to get it or my hopes up. I promised myself that if it turns out this truly is a lost kitty. And after two of three weeks of having posters up saying, hey, there's a lot kitty than no one claims the kitty that's it's going to be my kitty. So I'm saying that in a couple of weeks time, I might have kitty, and I told Andy that I sincerely hope this happens to him. So now we're all going to be waiting with baited breath until next week's episode to figure out the saga to this. Kitty kitty saga. Yeah. I was I took the decided that we're doing well here at the podcast thought that we could really sort of take a clue from game of thrones, and mad men that it's nice to have like an ongoing storyline for each season. That keeps people coming back. So the storyline for this season will be did Andy, get a kitty, and storyline for me will be did flow in the war at currently. I'm at truce. So those who follow me on social media. You're probably like owed L flows about to talk about what I think she's going to talk about. Yeah. That's right. And we're talking about the cats may back yard because folks, I traded office politics for cat politics out here in the suburbs. And I'm much happier for it. But I need drama somewhere, like I can't just get drama from reality TV, look, I need something in real life. And also, this is again, gonna be me talking about how I'm kind of a horrible person. Sway of squirt bottle. I water in it. That's it. It's just some fresh tap water. That's in there right now. Okay. Nothing more than that grew thirsty. Yes. And end kitties need a bath. They need help. Sometimes they're too shy to come right up at you and they'd rather get their water from five to seven feet away. Sure. Okay. I'm going to be on us here folks. We this we're gonna have we're gonna have some truth telling okay, I have new neighbors next door and the new day has pets, which is great. I've happy that they have pets. I have a pet too. But I didn't realize that I wasn't told that the pets were outdoor pets that claimed territory outside of the boundaries of the land discuss down. So suburban of me. This is going into really bad territory hair like live to. It's on my property. I feel really listen. It's a privilege that I have property in the first place. And it was like actually, it will never actually be mind because his land was stolen but. Within the confines of my fence. I have a, you know. An ecology here that I like to keep balanced, and my cat likes to go outside, and I get very worried about, like we a lot of feral cats around here. There's a lot of cat battles that go on. And anyway, so that's why I've been trying to keep this cat out of my backyard. But then today today, we call the truce because I realized that aids an animal, I can't control it. This is not like you know, it's not like your neighbor parking your spot, or something, and be, you know, if my backyard can be a restful oasis for some cat than I must be doing something right? So that's where I'm at latest drama. And, you know, now what a horrible person I am and. I do have the suburban side to me that I don't know show because I little shameful about it, truthfully. Well, see, it's, it's good to have your mind opened to these kind of experiences, because at issue is the fact that the new the neighbor cats do not respect the concept of property property borders as laid out by the town, and although it's natural to kind of be a little bit upset by that. When you think about a little more you realize that these, the idea that property has borders is an artificial construct of society and the next step is that all property is an artificial construct, our society because you're living in this house. At some point, either through death or removing it will not property anymore. That's very true. Maybe it's the cats that got it all figured out, man. Now. I think you're right, wow. The setting a great tone for this episode, by the way, India really brought that back around. Well, thank you. I thank you all for being here on my journey on how learns about. However belongs to everyone. And I did. I did offer it some treats today, and I went and I did a truce and I, you know, I got a little pod, but it's okay. I, I deserve that. I deserved it. I said, okay. We're gonna leave this here. But if I hear any, ruckus. I'm going to your mom next door. So thank you. Everyone. We should probably talk about Google. I will say that it's a very potent threat assu, but you have to assume that, that the cats all go to the same church in the same parish because when I was a kid, if you find out that, like you, you totally by accident on your bike splash, mud on someone and then you don't know who that someone is like, oh my God. I've seen that women at church. She's totally going to see as mass next week, and she's totally going to tell my mom, and then that's it for getting out of school early to see and part strikes back. But yes, bring it back to Google as we've keep coming back to the one of the themes here of the perfect. Google feature is at the exact point of intersection between really really useful and really, really creepy. And so I had I, I had a moment today where I'm tr-, I'm trying to come up with a new refinement on how I access my music where. I do have a Google music account. But mostly like when I love an album, I will buy it on CD sweat can own it permanently then rip the CD at lost Lewis format and put it on a server and but there's no unfortunately there's no one app that can do it all for me. So I experimented with one of the failings of Google music, and law. These other services seems to be that I wish that had the ability to just pin certain albums, like I want, like there's always going to be maybe a couple of albums. You always go to like feeling good album than stall JAL, boom. Right. Like there's always going to be the, the album that I could I'll probably play once or twice a month until the day, I'd, I 'cause they're, they're pinned to certain moods, or, or maybe even just because I just ripped the CD last week, and maybe it will not be permanently pinned, but I'm kind of into it right now. And I don't have to. I don't want to hear a. Cheerful like block drawing say it's Memorial Day. Here's our Memorial Day barbecue. Playlist, or do you want the Memorial Day, paying respect to the soldiers playlist, or perhaps it's your gardening and you want our Memorial Day? Let's get the garden going like no, I really just want to hear abbey wrote today. That's actually the only reason why this up. So my so my idea now is that in addition to the other stuff? Now I've got rocket player, which I loved when I first installed it but had not been using it since I switched to plex and Google play then now. And I've got that installed and its sole purpose is to be the music app. I go to when I wanna go to those dozen or two albums. Okay. And slowly I've been populating it with favorites. Just again, going to my server and copying, the flack files folder by folder directly off of a USB media and copping it onto. Older into my phone, freight, working, right? So, for instance, I've got the soundtrack of the talking heads stop making sense, which, again we played bringing and so late, so that was great. I did that a few days ago today. I launched Google play music because I wanted to access a playlist and under the recent stab. It has the album stopped making sense talking heads as well as what I recognize as most of the albums that I added to rocket player, and I there, some that I admit I might have added to my Google play music library. But I'm very sure that stop, making sense, wasn't one of them. I'm very sure that like this anthology a whole bunch of albums that I'm really very sure that I never indicated to Google play music that I have an interest in any of the tracks on any. Of these album. So now I'm left wondering did. It's the fact that it saw that I was transacting with certain albums. On my device in a folder meant that. Oh, well, I'm sure he put that album on the device as listening to it with, with rocket player for a reason, but maybe it'd be helpful to also surface that within Google play music, so that if he's on his laptop, and he doesn't. So again, if that's what it's doing Bravo. Good forward thinking. But be I really wish that there were like a get info button. That could say here's why this album appeared here, you added it. Manually on August. Twenty first two thousand seventeen oh no. We guessed that you wanted it because we saw it because we're looking at everything on every folder on your device. So I'm dealing with that right now. I just have to say the I'm looking at rocket players website and the UI that they use in their promo is tad in the past. I have to say the I don't pay. It's a blast from the past. Well. I don't have the, the site in front of me the UI the reason why picked it, it was because it seems to be the most material design thing. I could find. I'm surprised that I'm surprised that. Nobody has sent me any slack. I just slacked to okay that is that is absolutely not what it looks like. Okay, well, so okay. That's not even the right logo anymore, so they definitely need update their website, but. I'm also surprised that with all the variety available on the Google play store. There really isn't a music player that, that understands that music player shouldn't look like a phone app or an app at all. It really should look like. Everything's to find a balance between getting the job done a complicated job done. And also looking like a piece of consumer, interface, where look the play button should be a big round play button. And it should turn to a big round. Pause button. So I can find it very, very quickly when things and I need to be able to tap, I need to be able to tell it to I need to be able to switch between playlists very quickly without having to go through eighteen up. It's I just want a clean operating system that a clean interface that works little muss or fuss. I kind of wish that Russ. Russel's company created a version of their pocket cast is such a nice interface. Particularly the latest version of pocket cast and I would love it if they were to not create a new tab in pocket cast for local music. But to say if there's if there's a if there's a new engineer that the kind of trust, but there he or she is not quite ready to handle like the keys to the kingdom. Like tell you what, why don't you? Here's the code base for podcasts. We want you to create a music player and strip off everything. That is not podcast and make it a really cool music, player using all of our interfaces. I would be very happy with that, if they had a Kickstarter I would back the hell out of that Kickstarter. He also does video. Did you pay the three forty nine for the premium version I didn't premium? Breath, free version who'll, oh, that's interesting. The so basically, it's win amfar Android. I don't know. I accept it doesn't whip the Llamas was spared. I was spared that experience of win EFI MAC person into. Oh oh, excuse me. Oh, I'm sorry. It was very fun. Okay. A lot of fun. And our win MTA's do you know how many skin for every day of the week, like, like different, boots anyway? Anyway. Also, some little like quick news this week before we got into like the real deal talking heads here. Google lens features of started rolling out to Android in. Iowa's lens users this week. I haven't seen the update on my pixel phone, but the update is going to include the auto mode, which is no need to tap on an item. The ability to automatically translate text. That's overlaid on an image. Or rather the texts will peer overlaid on the image highlight popular dishes on a menu with photos in reviews and the lens restaurant receipts, you'll be able to snap a photo of that to calculate the tip Bill and do all that stuff that you have three apps to do anyway. All the cool stuff. The showed off Google Yonne. Fortunately, we fortunately, we only had a way to few weeks four instead of just before Google twenty twenty. That's I did check. I didn't see on my phone yet. But that's I suspect that the restaurant features of it. That's kind of I don't know, if it'll convert a lot of iphone users to Android. But it will be it will be one of those moments where a lot like specially paying the check, it's like what did your phone just do? Oh, well just told us that a twenty percent tip on this check is forty three dollars four cents to your iphone. You just have to download the lens app. Exactly. And so. Really? It's, they're, it's they're always really, really cool features deep deep, deep inside the operating system that says, we have re revolutionized the way that we sleep and multitask, to try to reuse cash contents whenever possible to. Okay. That is great, but I want to do Hickey that lets me use my camera to calculate a tip, and split the check that's, that's the stuff that gets people again. They don't immediately throw their competing phone in the toilet. But it it's it sticks in your brains. And that the next time you accidents throw your phone your toilet. You will on your way to the apple store. You might think that was a cool feature. I really did enjoy and Lawler overnight site. That is kind of maybe. Eighteen the store that's near the apple store. That's no nowhere near as fun to hang out as at the store, you know. But it's the thing though, this is like people, Google are high fiving themselves for this marketing, like being this way, the subversive marketing that we're doing as users of the product because we're like lookout coolest thing is do you want to do something cool? And you know what it is cool being cool. I love being cool. Although it is a shame that like each and every one of these shows we always find a way to keep Google keeps keep the conversation in the best possible light about Google that we're way. Way way too supportive. We're way way way too eager to defend Google into ignore anything. Any bad news about Google and on that note? Let's go to commercial then talk about our first story. This episode of material is brought to you by paying them. The company that makes website performance monitoring really easy. Everyone loves a fast website and pinged him is helping keep your favorite sites online. 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I don't know if you saw any that I was trying to go for that. But since I was a little kid and I saw the doctor, you know, when the Grinch does that evil like smiley grin and but you've seen it on other characters to. I definitely left an imprint on me as a small child that this is a face I needed to reproduce myself. Smile and make it look totally evil as well. Thank you shook Jones for teaching me, a new skill that I will spend from age nine and until fourteen trying and failing a master. It was. But yes. Yes. Okay. So we got got more bad news about about Google with a really great article in the guardian that has to do with voice recognition on the Google assistant now. What is not very widely known is that although when the article points out, oh, it's, it's not match ical isn't that wonderful and magical. How Google assistant works that there are, of course, human beings that are making it work that magically, and that from twenty fourteen when the when Google's like how to understand voice project got started technically project Pygmalion from the time. It started. They acknowledged and said that what they need and what they're doing is, they're getting lots and lots and lots of professional linguists on staff to markup texts to teach the artificial intelligence. Here is what this inflection means. Here's what this. Version of this speech means. And as the assistant has expanded to not only be much, much better at English, but also to incorporate as many languages as possible. Their reliance on these professional linguists, some of whom are, again, we're not talking about rounding up volunteers to say, oh, does this text look? Okay. No. These are people who are an indie captioning project. This video. This is. This isn't the mechanical Turk for five bucks people's linguists. They have working have degrees in this field. Rangers bachelor of arts all the way to HD's and parents them. And at according to the article currently, there are forty to fifty fulltime Google IRS, and they are buttressed by two hundred temporary workers, that do all of this work and this piece in the areas. You might think we're talking about contract workers the famous. Yes, there are they are Google IRS and everything but name ability to site, Google on your resume level of pay level of job permanence insurance ability to access WI fi on the Google bus. You spend two hours a day on all that sort of stuff. And the guardian reports that they these contract workers, these contract linguists are, are working. In the quote sweatshop like working conditions, and also being forced to or forced, or coerced by by circumstances to work, lots and lots of overtime without any pay. It's they also says that worker complaints have been on the score have been ignored for a long, long time. And since the first real serious complaints came about in twenty seventeen and Google minutes. They didn't really get on it until another complaint in February of twenty nineteen. But the about this report really does kind of open up the lid on a very, very bad problem, the problem, the problem seems to be that. It's twofold. It's the one problem is the highly classic problem of when a company, there are a lot of people who would love to work for Pixar. They would love to work for Google. They would love to work work on a work on vendors film, work for Disney and the management will explain that by their desire to work for it work for this goal that they personally have will cause them to put to not think that sacrificing themselves quite so important in tech journalism. Sorry, I genuinely love tech journalism and I try to I try not to love things that don't love me back such as I am. But I am also referring to the fact that like online, there are a lot of these. I was making a joke, but I am being serious at this is when I was reading the article I was thinking, well, that sounds very relatable to lot of online workers in. That's just to say that this is not just prevalent at Google. This is a systemic thing that like it's a terrible thing that Google's taking advantage of anyway. Go on anti. So, so these part of the problem is these contract workers are on the one hand told explicitly, according to this article that, by the way, there is no ladder to transition towards a full time position at Google, you're being hired simply as a contractor by one of Google subcontractors, but then on the other hand, they when they get into the job, they noticed that a lot of the people who are fulltime, Google employees, working on big Malian got their start as contra subcontractor linguists on this job. And Furthermore, it in April twenty seventeen one of the sources on the stories that twin seventeen they were called re attending a meeting of outsource Pygmalion project managers in London, and quote explained that the position was designed for conversion and that we should be proactive and asking for more work in order to achieve this. So they are. For legal reasons, apart point of hiring as Google policy saying, look, we're not, there's not a promotion track into into Google proper where you get the really great health insurance. You get the really great pay. You get to be treated like a real, Google employees. But once they're in, if it's a way that they can get people to work harder harder harder. Make more and more sacrifices towards a goal that they have actually seen is attainable. They're definitely going to exploit all of that, and problem number to get the Arkle than we'll, we'll share our disgust at this is the problem of overtime, which is definitely hooked into this now. It would be bad enough and familiar enough story, if we had management thinking that, while these saps are so proud to be working for us in any way that we can basically not even tell them to do things without pay, but we can just have that will work themselves to death for the privilege of being able to get a burrito in our cafeteria. As we're just not gonna tell them that they shouldn't work themselves to death. That would be a common enough site. But it does seem as though Google was of explicitly of explicitly abusing, this sort of stuff of, as a formal procedure, the Pygmalion team is told that there is no overtime pay available for this project, so there is no. We don't have any budget for overtime, which would imply so don't work overtime because there is no money for this. It was made clear to us according to the story, the forty hour thing for hours. A week thing is a I'm sorry, let me back up a bit from the article quote to my knowledge. No one ever said to me, you need to work, our employees. Our TV's are contractors above their contracts, but it was set up so that the only way to get the expected work done, and if anyone raise concerns they would be openly, mocked and little said another current Gubler, so not they're saying that on one hand saying that there is no overtime pay available for this on the. Other hand they were giving these people goals and targets that could not possibly be met unless they worked overtime. Furthermore, it was quote, it was made clear to us. We were never to log more than forty hours. But we were never told not to work more than forty hours continuing the work that they assign often takes more than eight hours. They added every week. You fill out a time sheet one person one time did Smit overtime and they were chastised no punishment, but definitely told not to work overtime. So the this is this is bad, and this is unfortunately endemic, another indication of the problem that Google, and I'm willing to say by extension other big tech companies and other big corporations have and trying to get away with not hiring as many people as they need to, because they feel as though if they work through subcontractors, they can push these people around in ways, they couldn't push them around, if they were fulltime employees. Here's the problem. The problem is that this is all unbridled capitalism. Because if you were to take this apply to any other giant Mehta, conglomerate, they'd be doing the exact same things. And so it becomes very difficult to say. Well, I'm just gonna stick it to the man and not like bother with this, because so now Google's become extremely ingrained in my day to day life. I am logged in with Google account like there's so much that is threaded to that. Okay. That's great. I've been really happy with the features this far. But when I find out that this kind of work unhealthy work, ethic, by the way, they recently showed a study that exhaustion, really is a medical condition. And I just think it's very interesting that we are not connecting the dots between exhaustion and the unhealthy work culture that we have in the United States, America. And I'm sorry, if this sounds very preachy, but I'm a person who has had. To take many breaks in her professional career due to, you know, either unrealistic expectations set on by myself or unreal. Listrik expectation set on by managers based on what I was able to do. People are not machines, which is why they're trying to replace this. But for now linguists are not being replaced by machines. And in fact, you know, the best part of all, is there training, the machine to eventually replace them? Anyway. I'm sorry, that I'm going in circles. It's just it's just really hard to look at this and realize that it's this giant system and feel like you can have any change just by pointing it out thought makes sense. 'cause it's like this is such a big issue of culture, and it's also I feel like because we ask for so much as tech fans because we drool over everything. And because we get so excited about the little things that I feel like there is this, because there is the race to capture the most is companies are moving really fast on all of this really important research that needs to be done to develop these machines like this machine learning. And in order to do that you have to push people to the brink. But that's that's just that's unethical. That's an unethical way to bring technology. And I wish that I had the power. Power to just like Lord over the universe and say, everyone chill out. Let's not like maybe maybe we skip developers conferences for one year. Maybe one year. We just everybody just kind of catches up on products are projects. They've been working on. I'm just I haven't having a physical reaction to hearing this because of person I've worked for nearly twenty years of my life. Okay. That was overestimation but I worked for a long time and. Exactly. Bob. Well, I know exactly what it's like to be taken advantage of and to be underpaid and to be asked to stay late without, you know, like what is the payoff? We've been hearing lots of stories about that in the, the games industry where they are just expect. They have lots of people in their twenties who've they're living the dream of being able to work on the tier one title. And if. And management and company ownership understands that they can buy an extra five fifty hours a week off of these people by giving them baron pizza. They, hey we're in crunch time. And you know, that's why we we're gonna have we're turn conference from being to a party room. It's always going to have snacks for you, because we really have to band together and work like a team to get this title out by the deadline and but when it comes time to distribute compensation. No, we're not working like a team. We're looking like we're. We're looking like lords and serfs aren't we? This is this is what bums me out, not just about this Google story, but it really does seem like a deteriorating trend of a fundamental disrespect for labor that it's easy to understand. Because when you're trying to get a new phone out the door. You can't there's a point at which you cannot negotiate the cost of, of an old scream that you can set a couple of different providers against each other and competing bids, you can change the specs to just exactly as much quality as you need. But there comes a point in which the cost of that panel is not going to get any lower than what it is whereas the cost of labor in corporations always considered that completely malleable, that if you feel as though there's lots of unemployment in your industry. Well, they're going to be people who are just thrilled to have any kind of job. And if there are legal ramifications to have them as part of the payroll. Let's not have the mess part of the payroll. Let's have them as subcontractors and every let's make darn clear, and I'm wagging, my finger here in a comical way. Now sub now contractor company, we have rules. You have to treat the these people cannot work overtime unless they get paid, and they have to get sick days. Now wake wake wake and, and then like on day two, they say, oh, and by the way, here's some absolute unattainable goals for you. And it will totally change some fighting, and, and so, and so basically so that they have that buffer saying we are so disappointed with that. So we had no idea this was happening without adding that next paragraph, which is why we have decided to hire more people directly where they will be. We can control their working conditions. It's just terrible. I feel as though it's gonna. Technology companies but I feel as though it's going to affect all companies because the days when I feel as though we're very, very close to a tech podcast. So I'm sure we're very, very close to a point where tech workers are going to unionize and a going to do whatever they have to do in order to get the power of collective bargaining. Because history has told us that they're only two things that will stop a company from doing exactly what it wants to do. Particularly as regards to labor. One of them is federal laws that say that, hey, maybe that eight year old kids should be in school and not an Ecole mine, or a union, that can say that you're not gonna just be dealing with this group of one hundred forty PHD's that are not being paid overtime. You're also going to be dealing with the people that are doing your security updates, and maybe even the truck drivers who are delivering the those brio reps to your cafeteria in the morning. Those the only two. Two things that get a company to listen and I'm sure that, there are other things that the government could be getting on that. They're gonna get onto. I so I really do think that unionization is going to be the only thing for the just to as a formality. Let's see Google has a response to the guardian report. Quote, our policy is clear that all temporary workers must be paid for any overtime, worked said, I lied, not in Google vice president of people opperations statement to the guardian quote. If we find that anyone isn't properly paid, we make sure they are compensated appropriately, and take action against any Google employee who violates this policy. Okay. Which is what they there. There's a difference between a company that is going to respond to complaints. Once they surface to the level of people writing about it and Khan commenting about it. And then there are the companies that are going to realize that this is not the first time this problem has come up clearly, we have an institutional problem. And the only way we can demonstrate that we truly do care about this is to solve the institutional problem of the another data point that we haven't mentioned which I found really interesting. I wish the guard in went into detail detail about the idea of, of having a white collar sweatshop, and please. Don't comp- compete set workers working against each other, a nother Google or another commenter said that this was part of this is part of the culture that was created by the executive who founded Pygmalion at Google. And interestingly this executive was fired by Google in March after an internal investigation. And let's remind you the time line that Google started investigating this overtime problem in February. So you might as let's not draw conclusions. But let us least put a post it note, next to this saying, did this predict Google do it investigation as oh my God. This guy is horrible. We have to fire him and he was fired the next month or was he doing unreal. Rated horrible stuff and that the hammer happened to fall around the same time. He he did not resign. He was fired by Google in March to be clear. Yes. After. Okay. Shall we move on? We, we, we do try to make sure that all the real bummer stuff is neck one. We're going to transition to it with something that's a bummer, but Google doing the right thing to create try to mitigate. The bummer Bill has changed its policy regarding ads regarding to abort related to abortion services because some of these really the really adorable faction of the antiabortion people. As many of you probably know have created what they term, quote crisis pregnancy centers, unquote, ambiguously listed in advertisements online, on paper everywhere. So that someone a woman who is legitimate looking for advice on, you know, on getting an abortion abortion providers safety will instead unknowingly be connected to some. Who's going to try to talk them out of it expose them to shame and abuse and all that sort of stuff. Google had been again. This is the difference between when you truly care about a problem versus when you care about the PR crisis. They have thou created a whole system that anybody who wants to buy ads that are relate that are abortion related have to apply to Google, I to be certified by Google as either a provider of abortion services or a non provider of abortion services and their ad will be labeled not by the advertise themselves, but Google's Google ads will actually embroider that ad with the designation. This advertiser is an abortion service provider, or this ad is this advertiser is an abortion service, non provider. And before we move off of this for one thing I will say congratulations to Google again doing the right thing. Sometimes there are simple solutions. To a problem, and they do need to exert control over people who are abusing every piece of their service platforms. This was very simple thing. They could do that. Hopefully will be effective particularly that this is again the label is being generated by p ad system. It's not as you are required. Wag finger wag finger to make it clear in your ad wag finger. And this is going to be only more and more important. There's a New York Times story about this, that gave me a perspective that and some statistics that I hadn't really thought of, before that really kind of made me lean back in my seat, because Google is your launchpad whenever you want to whenever we have a problem and you need to learn about it. Bugles a place where you go. That's people wouldn't spend so much time trying to game the surface. Exactly. And so as abortion rights are being off, go head and say, horrifically. Yeah, I again, I'm I refuse to be neutral about this and not. I mean this is just horrifying the anyway, I don't again. I don't wanna go off on a really angry half hour rant that has nothing to Google, as these are rights are being attacked, and the our rights, being attacked New York Times, says that I'm quoting here, many women looking for information on ending a presence pregnancy. Rely on Google over the course of one month in twenty seventeen more than two hundred thousand Google searches sought information on self induced abortion this, according to a study from the Guttmacher institute, which supports abortion rights, some continuing to read the quote, here, similar searches surged nearly five hundred percent between twenty eleven. Seven and twenty fifteen according to data cited by researchers, which, again, I, I, I appreciate that people are subscribed, this podcast, too. For discussion about Google. So I will try to keep this up the internet. Andy Google holds up, hold up the internet, and the inter-, the import the main part of the internet is finding an answer to your question. That's what it's always Ben in. That's people use Google for, and so they do have somewhat of a responsibility to make this information. Plainly available. It's gonna put Google in really put a lens on their responsibility as a private company, a huge, private company, that create that supports and creates an important part of infrastructure, because one of the basic, fundamental truths of the argument about the fight to take away abortion rights in America. I'm willing to America because I'm most familiar with this country, but I know taverns worldwide is that abortion happened before rove versus Wade, it will happen if Roe versus Wade, a struck down, and individual states have the ability to deny its citizens access to abortion. And as a result more and more women are going to be googling instructions on how tonight how can I procure an illegal abortion? And I would not want to be I. I don't I don't envy, the people at Google whose responsibility is to set policy like that because if. I again, it is it is ghastly to imagine somebody who is like, I'm going to perform a dangerous. Procedure on my own that historically has resulted in so many deaths and to try to argue for yourself that we have two people are going to be looking for this information. And maybe as a search engine, we have a responsibility to save. Women's lives by findings and certifying sources that answer this question with the greatest degree of safety. That's possible. Again, I'm their times. I don't know what I would do in that position if I were at Google, I would be arguing to do whatever we possibly can to save lives. But this is definitely not something that to college students had in mind when they came up with a really interesting way of indexing, search engines, whether they like it or not companies like this again. They've created infrastructure. They didn't necessarily want that responsibility. But they've got it. No, it's. And again, I don't envy, the conversations that will occur does make me think about how important it is that this is information that can be available on Google right now because I have I was on the internet in the early days, and I fear that we might be reverting back to just kinda like, well, we still have that secret. Of the internet where we have to get information. And this kind of scared me, a little bit, because I thought, oh, well, what if somebody wants to Google all the places that provide abortions and go to cause harm to those who are going? That's the only thing that I can think about that kind of worried me about this particular new story. But boy, when you put it into the perspective of this is the infrastructure that common like all citizens of the world. Use to get information in the most desperate times. That's, that's a huge responsibility for a conglomerate to have. We. Should we take? Break a Bernie reading room, mentally wise, and we'll be back. 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I'm sure that was very like stark for those listening. But, you know, Andy Nyerere multifaceted, people, where emotional people, and we were all hurts on our sleeves, which I think is why people keep coming back to this show and also talk about Google. We care we care about the things that we care about. And it's. I will not speak for flow of because she can speak for herself. I'm just saying that I can't talk about a topic like this, that affects me so deeply that I think is so important and just be Ted Baxter. Reading news copy off of a teleprompter, the, the facts on a topic like this merely stating the facts will not suffice. This is an MSNBC you're gonna get more than the facts. Let me get the real stuff. Like a Google one chrome project, which is not fuchsia. Didn't we didn't complain last week? Or maybe it was just complaining to everyone in general that the. Even though like my daily Kerry phone is a phone that runs the Android, which is made by Google and the hardware is made by Google and most of the time, if I'm out of the office, I'm using Chromebook manufactured by Google running an operating system made by Google and getting a photo from or something from the phone to the Chromebook is not easy at all. Now I still have to upload something to drive now or into dropbox. It's ridiculous. It has the cloud, I and this is one of those real areas where I so totally miss my old one hundred percent. Apple infrastructure because airdrop hair drop. It's like high five. I was going to say okay, okay don't go preaching airdrop around these Android parts right now. Andy, we know how great it is. We've heard the gospel where not switching again. I know that we have Google earth who listens podcast. I'm showing the move where the bar is, and what I wished them to clear and hopefully, maybe possibly. We're seeing some indication that Google is taking steps to make chrome OS and Android. At least work better together. The website chrome story dot com has a spotted code commits once again, when Google posts new code updates to develop channel of Android. They can actually look and see what's being done. What is what's in there? What's being done, and they have noticed references to something called one chrome whether it's there's a space between the one in the chrome or not. I know but it seems to have lots of features for getting those two devices to work together. Looking. At the code and the comments, they note that one could chrome could be used to use a Chromebook to make a call via Android phone. So the fear like in your contacts. Or if you're going to the Google search, if you click on that, that, that phone number will automatically see that your, your Android phones, nearby and place, the phone call sharing a clipboard between the two devices a quote, send to device, sort of feature, which sounds like something like airdrop. And Furthermore, that all this communication will be encrypted between the devices and this is now. It's always dangerous to get over excited about something that has been spotted inside a code commit. You will recall how excited that I was for over a year about all of the absolutely explicitly called out, code inside developer stuff about running windows, ten on chrome o s and then to happen. Yeah. We were. That we were just sort of goofing around with that. And then we decided we didn't wanna do that. We're just tossing around a hack. Like that's all we were trying to do it to get you to come and play with us. We were just talking Aki sack. We were relaying highest our team supposed to be working on printer queue issues over tops, and we just don't have we're just board. So we decided, hey, how hard would it be? And you know what? That's totally fair. That's fine. Again, I've done low level codes in my life. And I realized that I would even even the idea of running windows on something would be more attractive project, then either chewing, my own arm off or doing the work that I'm supposed to be doing. So I understand that notify ninety five Google has another theory, which is interesting in and of itself, that ninety five says that it might be hacked on code that inside Google. Sometimes engineers, get together to show things off to each other today. Here's this cool thing I built, and it's not a project or anything, but, hey, we built up and cool. So it's possible that somebody or couple of people wrote these features just to show off to other people like at a beer, bash or something. And there is flooded. It publicly so that everybody can get their, their hopes up. We, we like to we like to react to create hope so then we can just watch him squish you know, I got it. What do you have that power? I see why you wanna wailed it get it. Well, no. Because let's, let's go back to the top of this of this episode. I saw a kitty that might be in distress. Right. Okay. And rather than saying, I am going to enjoy the fact that this other being is in distress and or increase that level of distress, I'm going to dangle the little squeaky mouse, on a screened called hope that this kitty knows that there will be an ending one way or another, to its lost nece to speaking alone in this world that either its owner will open the door and Letterman or his new friend and me at Andy's house xactly, so not all of us are as mean as whoever it was who created this one chrome project, just to be devas, just definitely. Oh boy. I'm just saying I'm just saying. I just you're speaking to a man who knows the pain of, I've got a picture in Google photos on my phone, and it says it has sinks to the Google's photos on the cloud. And then I open up the internet connected laptop next to me, and Google photos, does not have it, and I don't know what to do except for to like an animal, get out a USB to USB cable mounted as a device, and then copy, the file directly. I'm saying that fi want to live. I want to walk upright on two feet like a human being and not on four feet scrabbling at the ground like some sort of animal like a cat waiting for Andy to come back with some meat for anything like that. There's a market like on the way back. Probably get some, some snacks. If you do that, I don't want you to get your hopes up and I'm saying, this is your friend. I know again, realistically, I know the cats do not stay at SP. Pacific doors unless they just get some Turkey breast like some deli meat Turkey breast. That's what I do. And that's what I share with my cat because. Yes, I feed, my cat, human food, because she's old, and I'm making the last use of her life, the best that they are. Okay. She really likes deli meat Turkey breast and the upside to that is if you eat Turkey than you can put on your sandwiches, so it doesn't go to waste. So just an idea for the next time you're feeling like, like feeding a friendly, little cat anyway. I hope we're cats cross your path Indy. I might be at the at the kitty part of my of my life where I'm not home long. I'm now, hopefully long stretches that, you know, it's fun rewarding. I will say and now watch how good this transition is because I used to travel so much that felt like it was a responsible to even have a cat as even opposed to a dog, which is getting really, really upset. If you leave for any amount of time, I go now instead of leaving for like two weeks at a time every month or of your the month, I may be gone for two days. So and not only with a cat, B, O kitten KB without change of life. But also, Google is going to help me with all the travel stuff because they are now consolidating all of its far flung, web based travel services into suppose you, call the single blob called Google trips, which is kind of cool. I was I was playing with the other day phone users. But I wasn't Android are used to Google. Trips app. But this is now a Google dot com slash travel off of any web browser. Which means that, if you do all of your web searches. Of course, it keeps temping Google cannot not keep track of everything that you're searching for, but it will understand the understand the context of I'm searching for trumping for flights shopping for hotels. Now, I'm actually just looking for fun things to do in this city now, trying to fit this in with my schedule, and it looks as though it's a really nice solution to get everything to be consolidated together. An very googlies sort of way where all, you know, is that everything is in your calendar properly, and that even though you didn't particularly schedule o- on day three of my trip. I'm going to be having ham, and this Barscelona Barcelona deli. But it's happened to when you're in Barcelona and you find out that you actually do have an afternoon free. It will be able to surface for quickly here is that place that has. That one place in Barcelona. The has the great hand. But here's here's the one that has, like Pika chew and other Pok Mon in the store to play out whatever but. It is it is solving kind of pain that I think we've all dealt with that there's so the more complicated, you put as much work into your vacation as you, you want release as the action that you've released during the trip, and so much of it is just. Oh man. I know that at some point I saw a website for this really cool, two hundred year old library, and it's nothing but oak, and paneling and now I don't know where it is. And I can't reckon get it off of my history. So traveled the Google dot com slash travel will help resurface that I know you didn't tell me that you're scheduling. But here's the thing that you're looking at and here's the map to where it is. And here's how close it is to your hotel. And so it's it seems like another one of those things where those of us who are above the age of twenty seven will have problems explaining to people are below the age of twenty seven. You never used to have like an actual travel wallet in which I would have to know I used to have like an Evernote list on my phone where I would have to cut in paste the names of my hotel and look up my flight number. They didn't just automatically get yet. That's this is what this is what we hope to do from Tecmo from Google. This is one of those areas wherever like every, where we when we get another sign that Google has been watching every detail of my life and my explanations say notes. Thank, thank you. Thank you. I actually actually written down in my handwritten travel journal, the wrong name of the hotel, but you gave me the right one and also have my confirmation number. You actually you were actually being like my mom making sure that might name. My name was sewn into all my underwear before I went to summer camp. Trying to avoid any disasters that I could create for myself apt to say, I'm waiting for the day that Google trips can import my maps. Bookmarks. Like I have favorite places than I have them by region for when I if somebody asks me, like, hey, what did you do, when you were here in this place, then I could just link them to a map that's premade for them. And so I'm waiting for Google to integrate those things because, you know, I'm a repeat offender, I'd like to go to the same place when I do to the same places and do the same things because. I, I like familiarity what can I say a gun say that, that's one of the unexpectedly nice things about Google maps, because Google maps has now been around long enough, that if I go to Google maps, and hit the whatever menu button, that could show me all my saved places, and now like the almost the entire lower Manhattan up to maybe one hundred and eightieth street is now like flecked with, like Aren like yellow feathers, like big bird of all the places that I went for both. Hey, I'm not I'm seeing a friend. I haven't seen in a couple of years. Let's go to let's go to really nice restaurant to okay. There's where I was deeply deeply disappointed by the Samsung galaxy S five rollout at. But there's that really cool deli. I went to because nearby and it's like. There's a lot of interesting data in there that I wonder the that. Could be creatively turned into like a video or product that it's it is this, this isn't like Google tracking us. This is me specifically saying, I want to remember this place, but it'd be cool, if it would also pull up data from Google photos, and other things to say, oh, and here, the pictures that you, here's, here's the pictures that you took when you're at Selhurst Burg's deli. And here's all the ears all the pictures, you ever took at Lincoln center, while seeing like operas, and things at the at the met, like actually. Thank you. I do wanna see that stuff. Yes. Thank you. That's nice. I've only been to Samsung events Lincoln center. Any I want to just ask you one slightly opened in question before we start to say our goodbyes, which is do you think that we will ever look back on our lives when we are older than we are now and think, gosh, I really wish I let Google save all that data, like I think about that. And I think about what a person driven towards the Sasha that I am. And I think about hi, I'm also very reflective person, and I tend to go back to the past a lot to answers to my present and for my future. So wondering if. If one day I'll just say to myself darn I really wish that Google save that for me. I don't know. It's just it's thing, I'm thinking out loud, because of the way privacy is changing, and they're trying to give back control to the users. And so I'm glad that these resources are there, and I'm glad that they've been around for long enough that now there are former formal policies for when you're asked away, who gets custody of the data, you'll leave behind, and this doesn't get too personal. But it's there's something that I've been thinking about, for a long time, not that it's bothering me, but some of it's on my mind that I have older sisters and they're married, and they have kids, so their kids will carry my sister's stories with them because they were around the time where maybe they asked their parents would do. How did you dad meat? Or how did you what did you decide to after you? Went to school for this degree to take a job. And this totally other field, and I don't have a spouse. I don't have kids and it again, it sometimes is on my mind that my stories number one might die with me. So that not that they're important stories that need to endure. But that anybody who's interested won't have the ability to find anything out about me, and Secondly mitch's probably just as important that. I do have of course, nieces and nephews. And if they ask, what was Andy's deal y z, what was he doing that job? I kind of would like to be able to answer that question myself, or at least for those my, my nieces and nephews to have the resources to look at that for themselves instead of hearing it from by my older sisters who may have had the wrong impression of my career and my choices because they're not mean they not, you know they they're we're not in touch every single day every single week. And so it does, please me to think that my Twitter time line. Hopefully will always be there that the stuff that I've posted on Instagram will always be there that if when someone for when the children of my nieces or grandchildren on my nieces have that, that same project in school that are all kids, get at some point, we want you to write your family. Tree, and as always it's like, oh, wait, what's this branch? That says Andrew an go and stops right there. What was his deal? Well, his deal was that t- was, I hope he, he was a very hard working journalist. He had lots of friends, he had lots of adventures. There's some lot of things that kind of that drove him. He was very proud of the work. He did. He had causes, he believed in very very much. It won't be oh a bit. But he was such a creep that no one was his friend and own. That's probably why he never married. I'm I'm sorry. Andy. It's. I get it. I know I one hundred percent get it. I'm I'm laughing, just I very much admire. You being open with me and all of our listeners about this because I, but I definitely understand one hundred percent where you're coming from. I lived most of my adult on the internet, and no you're not going to be able to find it because I've taken it down. So good luck. Made sure of it. I made sure that before I became a professional that I would have all that bad stuff taken off the internet. I mean maybe I shouldn't be shouldn't entice anybody to go down because again, I'm of the generation that started on the internet. So I could have missed them corners. You know. You know. I will. I will always thank heavens. I was my generation was born at exactly the perfect time because you knew that, you know, exactly like the halfway point. Exactly. Because. No. Because everyone every time I see now that there are people who were like sixteen seventeen eighteen when Google after Google got started, and everything start getting index, and the way back machine started archiving everything on the on the web. I have so much sympathy for every stupid joke. You made when you were sixteen or seventeen or eighteen every dumb opinion. You had about Who Wasn't There a national association of white people as though and the and like, oh, God, that real, I, I know you said that because you, you're not a racist, you thought et, you're being funny and be you don't really understand. And why there has to be N, double ACP and why we don't have about. Oh my God. That's going to look so bad when you're running for congress at twenty or thirty years. So what my perfection was that. When I was, I still had the internet. We still have copier. We still had all this, all this sort of the stuff, but none of that was indexed. All of that has gone to the land of ghosts and wins. I can't remember anything specific I said that was horrible. But I'm sure being teenager. I said some horrible things, and but again, pictures of like me writing interesting stuff in the nineteen nineties has been archived pictures of babe a picture of me meeting. John waters has now been published. And now, I would like to think that again, my nieces and nephews and grand nieces, whom I God, he actually met John waters. One of the, the guy whose statue is now on the on the mall in Washington DC, and it's always one of the great creators of mankind. Mom, dad, grandma grandpa, hukum. You learnt as cool as great uncle Indy. Andy, I know we're having a good conversation because then I start going really deep into thought. So I think that may be good time for us. 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"Good morning afternoon or evening. Please delete as appropriate there. This is andy nocco welcoming you to this. The epic episode two hundred eighty six of the material. Podcast and with us as always gratefully wonderfully. Celestial is florence ion flow. Hi i'm okay. You know what. I gotta tell you. This is ridiculous. I really thought that we were over. Okay and i apologize for how this is going to be sound. But i really thought that we were over the whole like scrambling to find the gift for the holidays and granted. I'm not having a giant holiday blow out this year because you absolutely should not in the midst of a pandemic but i was trying to get a nice little present for my brother now he. He doesn't listen unfortunately to this. So i'm not worried about its broiling but i've been looking all over for a freaking panini press. I scope up to thirty mile radius from my house trying to find a benita bras. I couldn't find. The online retailers confiance through amazon. It's backward into january. Couldn't find it at best buy couldn't find a bed bath and beyond and i'm not just talking about one specific kind i'm talking about basically. Any panini press that has been featured in like a wire carter cutter or newark mag article. And he's sort of like top five. It's sold out At all it all the usual places that you would go shop for one. And i am a this year. I guess i'm just giving gift cards to the select few that i was gonna get presents for anyway because it's like it's such a tight year and i know that me talking about this is like i know a lot of lot of lot of economic things going on this year but in the midst of that it is kind of interesting to see what's been sold out and i guess everybody has been making hot sandwiches at home. That's that's what i sir. I told my friend about this. And he's like well. It's everybody just wanted to make their own. Cubanos is that many people wanna make you bano's because if you're not making a cubano then you're just making a soggy sandwich like i'm sorry to tell your panini process really not. Well your magic. You're you're you're you're missing a part of the part of the ethnicity here Oftentimes a sandwich press also can double as a press so what you just take the plates and you flip them over ear making italian potatoes so early. Let's how Press words so perhaps like the the rush to make sallies has sort of inflicted itself upon your ability to make grilled cheese sandwiches and google knows and another sort of stuff that you would pay way too much for panerabread okay. Speaking of panera bread. Know andy. I worked there in college works. There worked for narrow bread for your to half I worked all sorts of positions. I was at the cashier writer And i also worked in the back on the correspondence. 'cause they had a flat bread times bringing back as pizza. I guess because of this whole pandemic delivery food pickup thing. And i used to do a lot of experiments because we if we didn't sell enough at the end of the day the food would just be thrown away which yeah that's a whole another discussion we can have. They did donate all the leftover like pastries and things. But yeah so the doe would just be thrown away. So what i would do is i would just make all sorts of concoctions with oven in the back. Were you know. All leftover ingredients like chicken and sauce and cheese. And all that and you just. I just had a very visceral like memory of doing that and wasting time waiting to close. Did he ever like bake a portrait of your favorite nano to ano characters. As like rye bread now. I made a lot of hearts. Thou heart-shaped shape pizzas a lot of cows zones. Anyway it's not about me. How are you doing andy. How's that koala doing down under. I'm sorry. I said i'd like that by the way to australia. You're listening. I'm i'm really sorry. It's okay we'll pull all it's okay you or your americans. We might get some hate mail after that. I'm just saying. I don't know how to go from there. I stopped andy. You know it's bad. If i'm stumping andy it's it's. It's like a week before christmas. We're not now. We're we're we're frazzled. Even before christmas. And i took on all the deadlines possibly could sorry. We're not talking about me. But anyway i'm ex. I'm expecting a blessed delivery that was supposed to arrive today but didn't arrive today. Really just will one of last week's after dinner mint with what was happening with me and the shipping delays gone well apple s and it's understandable because as as we speak a a mega storm of biblical and i'm talking to old testament biblical proportions as is as hovering its way down. Zim zamboni lake Cross up the eastern seaboard towards here in new england only ed as the anti zamboni in that instead of removing ice and leaving things clean and perfect. It is actually making things rougher and snow your Down here is we're not supposed to get snow for another three four hours but when it starts. We're not gonna get stoppage until friday so i understand if packages are a little bit late but the thing is the last week as our after dinner mint. We talked about That adorable koala who decided to let himself into a house in adelaide in australia and made itself at home in the family. Christmas tree thinking that. Hey here's a tree. I bet that this is. This is doubly the reason why i bet i'm welcoming here. Because they set up a quality just for me to climb and just be discovered hanging out in in looking adorable and and The our show was over. Recording was over about five minutes. By the time. I had located a sixteen inch stuffed koala toy on ebay. I i i wa. I could not see not only. Did i do that. But it was also proud enough of it that i had to send screenshots to flow is operating that as as soon as they got the as soon as the idea hit my head of hang pay. That's what's missing for my christmas tree and a large just sort of comfortably just hugging the trunk of a tree as though yes. This of course is where i belong now. The picture that was offered with that story The wall was not wearing a santa claus. Hat i have correct that In the subsequent amazon dot com order. So i had the hat for the i do not have the kuala yet so as a result. I'm looking at the tree. And i'm thinking i've taken all the spaceships off of that side of the tree to make sure there's enough room for the cova. But now i have no. Koalas and other the trees just completely unbalanced. The chief of the entire decoration is just or funk. Sweet the the found sweet she. I know what i'm talking about. But i'm saying that i i don't i don't got no call on the tree that's bothering me. I'm just saying that. I wished that it would. My life would be a lot better right now as this terrible terrible masterful hurricane of snow and blizzard and us Settling down on new england manager. A part of the country that has had its sole beaten from it in so many different ways. I mean over. No i'm i see. I just feel as though this is. This is my this. They're all like imagery of soul beaten like anyway. I'm i'm in my mind you we do. We have had coming for a while. as as a region we tend to be rather mouthy And we do a lot of that sort of like posing saying come at me bra and then sometimes abroad does come at you and then you have to run away but I'm just saying. I wish i just wish i had a koala with me right now. It would it would help me well quite a bit. I feel that. I think that the sierra of just kind of given up on my no i have not given up. That's not true. Because i am still like the house decorated. It's almost complete isolation. You do like the front entrance area for the three. Ups people will see in the next nine days. You know but beyond that. I haven't you know usually do a lot of crafting. Around this time of year. I really liked to reuse bits and pieces so like sometimes i'll have broken pieces or sometimes i'll just wanna like change. My aesthetical change or all trying to build more of like a european christmas theme in my living room so seriously. It's like i you know i love. I love a european christmas market so much. The other day. I put on just be role of european christmas markets. It was just like it was really just making me. Look forward to when i can do that in percents with mona. It's a european crisis market here in the bay area or whether it's like one overseas i don't know but for me just to have like those little bits of them holding onto is kind of helping and i'm just giving myself a break if i'm not you know our tree this year. We had to buy the mall. They they shut down the usual place where we get it There is a you know a leaning tree in my living room. That's another thing that i've had just realized screw it. It's also too tall which some might see what the problem with that. But we kinda miss judged when we bought it so but you know it just is what it is and everybody's gonna give cards this year. Then that's okay. That's all right. Have you locked. Have have you twigged onto the idea of like making like handcrafted like popsicle like santa's and claiming it's from the infant like here is a gift from the infant -solutely googly eyes on this popsicle stick and made this little leg construction paper. Santa hat and yeah. I know it's just it's just because it's been a rough year so you wanna like you wanna give something with a little bit of value to be like. Let me help you kind of make it over this hump until the vaccine is more globally available to everybody. So that's kind of where we are right now I'm i'm talking about it. Because i feel like we. It's good to kind of put a face to it a little bit feel like it. It has been a really rough time. I think just admitting that it's kinda hard is almost christmas. I can't believe it's almost christmas. God we're all hannukah's almost over its anyway. What else do we got on the docket. Well i just. I just i just wanted to justify my purchase of a google max originally not of you when this news piece came originally released a four hundred dollars. I was mentioning a couple of weeks ago. When we're talking about black friday sales that was on sale for one hundred and fifty dollars from the google store which would tend to indicate either that my god google is just so behind this product and its future that they want every household to have won so that when this black friday sale is over your friends are going to be coming over singing the carols with a speaker and they're going to be wanting. Oh i would love to pay full price for this or sub or on the flip side. Perhaps they had already decided they were never going to be making any more of these and they just needed a blowout inventory turns out it was the latter of those who but that but that was fine because if as the google gave a direct statement to the verge about this year. We're not making any more of these however please be rest assured that it will still be a smart speaker will still be a chromecast thing you'll still work with bluetooth and not and five copper copper wire connections and it will always be support. Excuse me not probably not always but for the foreseeable future is going to be supported. The software update. So congratulations. enjoy your big honking of shoebox-size speaker I still think that was going to be giving me much better. Sound than the dinky little like laborat- speakers are going to give me simply by volume loaf of bread speakers. I like that Absolutely it somebody had posted it comparison to the apple. Hi fi speaker gig. They had for the ipod like way back in the day. Yeah well and it just made me think about people like us people. Listen to our podcast. We hold onto these things. Not just because they're relics time gone by but also because they're really good and just because a products doesn't take off to samsung size. Enormity of sales does not mean. It's not a valid product. I think the macs just way too niche for mean people were not going to google for stereo. Hi fi sound. They're going to the brands that they've trusted. Especially if you are already a sound person so it is what it is but for the foreseeable future. I will have the max will remain in my dining room because god that thing really fills up a room. It's a great jazz speaker. It's great like dinner. Ambience speaker i love. I love our little dinners that we have in there because of that speaker and it looks really good in there too. So you gotta give google credit for that. They made this stuff. Look good good enough that you just put it out and without necessarily calling attention to how good it is. It looks it. Looks like a damn speaker and i think that's a good part of its styling. It doesn't try to be again a cantaloupe. It is just look rounded edges. Looks weird vertically. I have them vertically. As ter- set of but i'll i'll deal with that i can deal with that. It's because you're supposed to have a dj table in the middle mistake. And then you know. The dj table is covered by like all the you know the b boxing dancing people making tiktok apsara tibet. Through smart speakers and microphones as monetize. Everything you say and you think about with attach adds to the when i don't think that It was a pretty gutsy. Move to begin with when when i look over at my at my bedroom speakers there and think that at the original price and granted they only they only sold for three hundred and nine dollars for a very short period of time before they realized that that wasn't that wasn't working but look at that and thinking that they were they. Were proposing this as saying goodbye to you can have stereo speakers thinking that is technically speaking with. They consider eight hundred dollars worth of speakers to be and i. I'm at their great. I just think that you can. If my goal was to spend eight hundred dollars on speakers. I could probably get higher quality speakers that granted they wouldn't have it wouldn't have a built in amplifier and a bill. What's it but it's assistant. See the the. The thing is to get me to trick me to buy stuff. You have to make sure that you don't accidentally get me thinking about this. As an entire higher product category than what it is a smart speaker that have spent hundred dollars hundred fifty dollars for smart speakers and that s. Just i don't even have to think about it. This is a computer accessory that lets may get the weather. While while i'm getting dressed in in the morning and listened listened to music and stuff like that. It's not part of a hi fi. I would never spend eight hundred dollars on the stereo speakers. What a wouldn't extravagance that would be. But if you tricked me into thinking that just getting like a google gadget. Shirt tracked gov the but then again look. I'm the i'm the guy who didn't mind until they were about the first one at three hundred bucks the first pipe priced rob the second one. It was on some sort of a black friday sale for like one ninety nine and i bought the third only because one hundred fifty and minus stiller of unit cell. Just throw matching colors. 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Fine should never bought this stupid of could but a piece of crap and imagine my relief to find out that the I had paid for it with including like twenty three twenty four dollar credit. I had the google store for having bought. No actually the a thirty five dollar credit from having about the pixel florida so actually only spent fifteen dollars for. But i was really really steamed. I might have thrown fifteen dollars of actual money away on this piece of junk piece of garbage dongle. That doesn't even work and can't even keep youtube running. Imagine my relief. And i found out that the dongle is working fine. You're fifteen dollars was well invested. It's just that every goodwill service worldwide is having a huge meltdown right now and nothing is working. That's all so. I mean yes everybody else on the planet who counting on google me to have an important meeting or google classroom of apps to have in in house learning or perhaps you're trying to drive a important presentation using google bursts face A presentation tools. Yeah you're pretty pretty well t-boned by that but let's think about it for me. My fifteen dollars was still a very very good investment. Yes they had Google had a bit of kerfuffle Perhaps a bit of a sneaky barney blue as they might say and parts of australia. That i've made up in my mind a lot of angry letters after this but keep go. Oh don't worry. People should not be angry with you for any reason. Everything everything you've been saying up to. This point has been absolutely wonderful. Got folks don't don't send letters to flow okay. 'cause she she's just everything she does is just absolutely. I was taking a nap during this outage. So i didn't feel it. I think part of us has always taken this kind of a defense mechanism. So that it's like how you partition your brain very hard. And i just so happened. I walked from roadmap complaining about not being able to work. And i was like sh that was. It's it's unusual. It's it's also fun when you go to the the services to tell you hey is this is the service upper down and it goes down and everything is like flatlined read left to right every single google service so yeah for so what happened. What happened was for fifty fifty minute five zero minute period on monday night all google services that required any kind of authentication were inaccessible either. All at once or at one point or another and this really went to it's It's spread in terms of you. You learn all all the things that happened to need google authentication like a lot of smart home devices like nest thermostats were also inaccessible There was there was a heartbreaking. Now i read part of this. I thought that. I thought that whoever wrote this story that they someone had come across a tweet. A very poignant tweet a by like a father's with a picture of a darkened room. It's like i'm here with my with my child and dark. And i can't turn the lights on because i smart speaker desert work because the outage my thing and i'm like dude that means you get up you walk towards the light you turn it on manually. Which is something you can always do whether you've got the smart speaker not again. I'm i'm i'm glad you got it was. It was a cool picture. Nightside definitely paid off. At least google was still thinking about you at this time. But was it was a bummer. else not only that but The verge is reporting that a lot of third party apps and services that rely on google for back end services including pokemon go were also affected affected users in the united states japan all the way across the globe and The good news is that google search and add delivery were not affected at all. Now you could say the the good news is the money was not a sex still wall while you were desperately hitting the web to find out what the hell was going on The in the sidebar were still getting targeted ads. don't worry that part of their. There's there's a part of the generator. That's that's the secondary. That's the secondary brain in the brontosaurus. But that make sure that adds will always be served and the tap of money will always be flowing obviously tip rates. I'm sure i'm sure that that research has been invalidated. But when i was a tiny little kid in your in the in the like l. seven year old andy and not go. Get this dinosaur Book for for his birthday book. It would say that. An fun fact by the brontosaurus is the is so big that he actually has to happen. Second brain and they didn't say in his but but we all knew it was in his but just to control its tail and it's not even wake autofill just by the way. Oh my god so anyway so anyway. All all google cloud and google workspace apps. Were down for that. fifteen minutes. Five zero minutes on monday and was an issue affecting people's identity management and authentication system According to the official. Google cloud status dashboard report. Post op arrigo. Prompt air hop of quote. The root cause was an issue in our automated quota management system which reduced capacity for google central identity management system causing it to return errors globally as a result. We couldn't verify that user requests were authenticated and served errors to our users so it was overloaded. Couldn't handle requests. this was not a pleasant Yes they did. Get everything up and running at the same time. This is a bad time to have the kind of error at the same time. It's being revealed that a russian intelligence back hacking operation had successfully manipulated the treasury department and hundreds and hundreds of other government agencies. It was not totally ridiculous to lead to a conclusion that perhaps was part of a global threat against all the we hold dear i e our ability to go to google photos and pull up pictures of kitties as strike is what i was hoping it was but you know just considering like new new brokers revolution. Yep why not. Why can't we have the worker. Revolution be virtual digital. Those are the things that we hold dear. Now that's where people live. Sorry through through down your mouses nothing to lose but your with hort. Yeah listen it's coming. Let's stick let's just say it's coming. I know it's coming. Couple control the means of production by the way exactly but that was just part one of a bad week for for big old. We're reporting on wednesday afternoon Yesterday they had a huge problem with g. mail For the quote here is we're aware of a problem with g mail affecting a significant subset of users. The affected users are able to access dream. But are seeing error messages heightened sees and or other unexpected behavior unexpected behavior including such inconveniences as emails bouncing instantly Proton mail service was claiming that email. That's being sent to some email addresses. Were getting lost forever In many cases and this is the kind of scary thing for people who were having this experiencing these outages that the The server was throwing often error code saying that. Oh well This this g mail address doesn't exist. Not only. I'm having a problem contacting the g mail server or a mavinga free like resolving this this email address it says no this address does not exist and g mail anywhere so that would kind of make your corporate email system. Say oh that. I will totally delete this from the corporate databases. Because i certainly don't want us to waste time sending emails to a completely defunct email address so a lot of people are rather samed about this. That my May explain where my yeah. That explains why my inbox was so there was some conversations coming through today and i'm like I wonder if that was the result of it either. Way my goodness this was like this was chaotic. I if i recall some of this outage was happening. Sunday as well or at least i i don't maybe i. My timeline is off. But it's definitely this is definitely a major reminder of just i forget how deep the google network goes event and i mean i know for sure of the amazon one just because i know that they have their back end but i kind of forget to include google into that list you and then when this happens it really makes me a little a little flustered because we talk so much about at the larger broader conversation right now is about how to regulate better regulate tech and how to break it up and i feel like we keep looking at the macro which is like break up the companies. You know buying up each other gobbling up each other and all that. But we're not looking at the micro that a lot of our internet in our network that we have in this world is run on this tech basis. I mean it's it's no different than the big brands that exist in the brick and mortar world. You know think like ford right like all. These brands is just a line. It's google amazon facebook and when something goes down look to fang to see which one is down. See this is. This is why this is why apple is not at the focus of a lot of this attention. Yes of course find the app stores. It'd be nice if they if they had an direct consumer. If you think about it. But what i'm getting at. Is that if apple were wished into the cornfield of it suddenly went away as though it had never existed to begin with. I'll we would. We would miss having these really cool phones. That seem to work very very well but we would still be able to navigate. We would be people who rely on free email but still have their email classrooms. Were still be able to do other. Classwork classwork that. The fact of the matter is that there are very very few things. That apple has built that the world truly relies upon whereas you take google out of the picture. We have given handed over responsibility for so much infrastructure over to google and as you point out amazon So much of The web so much of what is what happens on. The web is being handled by amazon web services of amazon word to get attacked and be shut down or get get old gal squirrelly on us. That's another big chunk of the web. We legitimately hate facebook. We are. We are program to because we are programmed for to yet instagram matrix. All the time and the problem is the for so many hearts. The world facebook is the internet. And so if you were to take facebook away. They suddenly don't have what they enter me. Socially instagram is my social thread. That i have right now. It's how i'm with my friends on a daily basis. Like i'm taking time to be on instagram. Because i know that's where i can post memes that my friends will see because i can't see them in person right. Now have the interaction. this is also kind of the point. I was trying to make last week with the coronavirus testing just having verily project baseline behind that because even though this is all data that's being collected for the quote unquote greater good. It's been collected by a private company. It's not going into like a publicly owned Per person owned public database. It's going into a privately-owned corporate owns public database And this is the problem with the internet is. That's exactly it's a public service. It's private that is really privately owned god. I was even having this conversation today. This coming up a lot in general vacuoles even having this combo today in an instagram message with my friend about old versus new internet Because we were we were talking about like watch free contents okay. And i was just telling her about this. This move to try localise your media again. Something we've been talking about something. A lot of other podcasts articles have been talking about lately because of how everything has become streaming. everything's become cloud based and so this is just another reminder of why that's something that is pushing some of us to go back to the way of the localized content but it's not something that a lot of people and in this case it's not something anybody has any control over. Google classrooms all that they all told us. Come user come user things free. we'll give you all the tools you need and it works out. But the the the problem of giving things away for free as We we are institutions sort of lose the awareness that perhaps we should be able to own and control. Yeah the things that we're actually relying on the the and sure the power companies in the water companies the sewage companies A lot of our private companies but the thing is they are regulated like utilities amazing responsibilities. That they they they don't have the option of not wiring up a house that wants trinity and they have obligations to keep power actually up and running and they have The beverage relations as to what they can charge for it. And what the car service people can expect whereas if google the google graveyard they just keep digging more and more graves veith if they decided that well. Google classroom was fun. But we're kind of bored with it. We have this new idea of this new ai model of Of developing flowers of a really excited about and we want to put everybody from the google classroom team on the google buds team. But this is why we need to. I feel like the next big wave in silicon valley. And i think it's going to. I am hoping this is what happens. After the vaccine after we sort of try kind of level ourselves out a little bit of a society is i would love to see more investments in sort of centralized locally owned services so imagine like an educational system that could be owned by the school district. That implements it. You know what. I mean i. Maybe i'm thinking a little too like in the clouds right. Now because i am thinking more than idealist right now not so much as a technologist. But i as you were talking about google classroom. It was just going gears returning my head when it'd be great to have a startup comes through and his like. Hey we'll install this. You know i mean you still have to sell the installation of the product but imagine if you could it's like having an. It department teaching people who are employed by the school district to take care of. I don't know anyway. It's just it's it's it's so easy to just take what is offered that we've ended on that. Yeah especially school systems. That are struggling to struggling. Struggling to has cut books on every table on every does not not just that but have us history books that recognize both north and south dakota. So it's it's important to the ussr. He has that was actually. It's like well that may maybe that was actually forward thinking if you just wait another couple years it'll be. Moscow went away then. Moscow came back again moscow democracy and then it wasn't again sees sometimes a august. Wait stay put for goes around comes around especially when you have a former spymaster as your as your as your president for life Installed but we. It's definitely a i on the macro level to return to my activity on monday night. Because i have a media server and i make i make a point of every time. There is like a cd. Removing that i really really like will buy it. I'll rip it. I will have a president that means that if the snowstorm were to knock out my cable internet for a couple of days that stuff today. Yeah i can i can. I can still watch stuff. I've i don't this. This isn't the i'm not. i'm not don't have sort of like a media. Prepar sort of mentality. But i have been finding my soul like buying paper actual dead tree. Where books not prepping. I love that much. That's me the i. I've been doing the same thing though. Why do you think. I have all these volumes of melrose place sitting over here on ripped because i have every intention of ripping them to my personal library so so that. Yeah but so so we are. We are untouchable. We can weaken so to speak. But it's when we realized that are sought the software that we run everything on is not ours was never to begin with and so once it gets taken away. Even our favourite games and games are as important as music and movies these days. That if they decide to okay. We're done with this marvel superheroes phone game now So report plug on the servers and so nope this will never exist will only exist in lore and legend and and twitch streams from now on as we. We have to understand that. It's it's important to own certain things and particularly when it concerns infrastructure that we're basing all of our communications on and even much of our education on We should probably consider what life could be like without these things. 'cause rear that is going to happen at some point whether we like it or not. So we'll we'll we'll we'll muse on that as the the indifference of the universe to are suffering as we as we go to this break and prepare for google's latest acquisition that. I'm sure congress is going to be absolutely completely on board with so google has made a really cool acquisition but the acquisition is not the news story. The actual end affects the acquisition. Google has with this acquisition announced that admitted that they intend to make chrome os available to pc's and macs on an official basis of the. There's a company called never wear. You might be aware that they make a product called cloud ready. Os this was a Chromium based build of chrome os. You can then install on an old mac or pc. Ideally a fees masterpiece laptop that would replace the built in operating system essentially. Turn these over again project. Yeah it was. I would call. It wasn't actually a installed at the home. Addition it was. It was intention for education and enterprise essentially to take whatever old laptops that are no longer being supported by microsoft apple in really for all intents and purposes turned them into chrome books And i had the home version was free. They also have a business edition and educational dish. But i i got the home version. Running on an old Old mac macbook and it was just running perfectly fine matter of fact in many ways it was although i i enjoy putting putting lennox on old laptops and giving them a second chance at life i really do. Think the chrome o s is a really if you really want to take a machine. That's like five six seven years old still. A keyboards does a great track. Bad has a core duo processor than a screen and wanted to be able to do something functional with it really. I have to admit that putting chrome s on it is much more productive than lennox because lennox chrome os is definitely a basic user operating system for a volks operating system for everybody rest. Lennox us there is a bit of learning curve. And once you have a problem with you're gonna have to find someone who can help you out. There's no support dhaka's dot com cynically and so and so gould's acquire this company and so it wasn't just We just want the. We just want some core technology and we're gonna kill a cloud radio s note It's they've The cloud ready team has put something on their website. Saying that cloud ready will become an official. Google product and the neverwhere developer team is going to be part of the chrome os team ultimately cloud. Ready is going to be an official chrome os released. So they're probably gonna make it a little house clergy and this is going to be the official way of getting chrome os on On again old. Mac laptops and old pc laptops because it really is very very solid upgrade and remember that the differs of course the difference between Apple and microsoft and an intel and google. That google doesn't care what hardware you bought They make no money. When you buy hardware unless you buy pixel by pixel these days they make the but the more installations of iraq. The more the more money they make so this is very much nothing but upside for them. So that's that's a cool thing. I really wanna see how this shakes out. And i want to see if this lens if this leads apple to double down locked down the boot loader of all of their laptops to make sure it's impossible to ever install anything ever other than apple signed operating system on this hardware sat is a good point. I am just trying to like. I look at see. There is a lot of schools that have backed. This never wear which by the way is kind of a. I feel about that That name neverwhere. Sounds like vaporware. Anyway one of the schools is actually nearby here where i live which is very interesting. So what they're doing is they have a fleet of ageing laptops and desktops that were causing their technicians to spend too much time and money managing the windows environment along with a limited budget that made it impossible to switch to new chromebooks. So what they did is they converted old hardware interesting. They extended the life Of thousands of devices that have been surplused saved money for future hardware upgrades and reduce the burden on the support team while continuing to bride at one to one environment for their students. That's really interesting. I had no idea this was happening. No no a again. So severely undefended underfunded school systems that they can find a way to recycle. They're gonna use it talking about the thing earlier about like installing of course stuff costs money. What am i talking about like. This does not cost as much money and the cell for google is that it gets the kids into the ecosystem right. I mean they're already know it is the google classroom. So if if if you have a school system. That's limping along by having a an unsupported version of mac os or an unsupported version of windows. That means that version of windows and macos are no longer getting security. Updates your turn this into a current chromebook that means that they're going to be getting modern security updates. What would that be. Kinda galling though Given that you might you might have spent as much as a dollars on a on a chromebook and google has not promised that you will get lifetime updates for it for a for security updates for for grow as there's a there's an end of life attached to pretty much every one of them but to know that that's fine but if i bought like a i bought a mac book like ten years ago. That one gets chrome us. Update twelve hundred. But i was gonna say have this team managing at right. Here's a really interesting thing. By the way they put like Let's see who was it. The that spoke Trying to see okay. The it operations manager at the school district near me but it was a huge part of the decision because school districts in california are struggling with what was given to them just with the cost of microsoft licensing versus google licensing. There's a big difference because we are utilizing google for education already. We decided we're halfway there. Let's just become a google shop instead of having a combination of both. That is an interesting quotation. Now that is selling the product on the neverwhere site I mean this is. This is good for for helping old devices but as we have posited from the beginning of this podcast. Recording is it. There's always a a slight low price to pay. And i'm sorry for being cynical person but that's my job as journalists. I need to. I need to look at all sides of the coin of this You know and it also makes me wonder like is it fair to just i mean it's great from an environmental perspective to reuse this old hardware but is it. Does it help. It doesn't help the kids who are using this. Stay current on technology if that makes sense even if it's chrome os. I would say so because by the time by the time they become grownups whatever they would be using right now is not going to be current anyway whereas the musical cats is indeed now and forever musical cats is forever and i will always have the memory song in my memory people to sing that song before i had my adenoids taken out. Yeah yeah i know you you could but would you sing it meaning meaning like where at any given moment during a flow is alone in the house. Would we be and our sleeping mike. Chorus teacher in sixth grade made a sing yet. And so we like learned it. And that's when. I learned that i could hit the notes and then that summer had my adenoids out because they were really inflamed and then i could no longer sing on pinch anyway. It is well it is. It's a. It's a traumatic thing for especially especially for like kids like me who like really enjoyed the glee club and being in the school meals and was doing okay as the soprano but now the got to the i. I'm very proud of my lush rich baritone however it was an adjustment to realize that suddenly i could instead of the instead of the lead like ten or sort of roles now is getting like the much more interesting but really you don't get you don't get your characters image on the poster of your baritone. You're the you're the one. That has the diva plan That is actually at his character. Actually has motivation as opposed to ice macabre. I love with this one not for any particular reason. It's okay fine. I least you could still sing. Yes well again. Both recovery time alone. So i can sing as loud as i want inside. That's why mona just goes on and it's really you know being inside your inside. Your house soon are chai Has sent an email to employees giving them a little bit more guidance about when they might expect to be coming back to the actual. They're actually talking about this. And and on what basis so the Return to return to. The google offices has been postponed a further two months to september of twenty twenty one. Not only that but the bad news and good news. Bad news being that nobody can expect that Google is going to go to a fully like work from home Sort of of workspace. However there they will be experimenting with a flexible workweek And countries and jobs in which that's practical of food with his experiments so to speak employees will be expected to work in the office three days a week and then worked from home. The other two According from this is from a emails Again that all staff email the new york times. Ah got access to They don't publish the entire. But here's a direct quote from that email quote. We are testing a hypothesis that a flexible work model will lead to greater productivity collaboration and wellbeing bing bing bing so you've got a tic tac toe of buzzwords their productivity collaboration and wellbeing Mr pichai wrote in an email obtained by the new york times quote. No company at our scale has ever created a fully hybrid workforce model. Though if you are starting to test it so it will be interesting to dry it. Listen folks working like that for years now. it's i found. It's the best way for me to work. 'cause i when i was working in an office i don't live. I live within quite a distance from san francisco. So having that flexibility really did help my productivity. Because it meant some days i could just plan to roll out of bed and just right in my pajamas all day. And some you know creative brains which do exist in the text fear. We need to stop thinking that they don't sometimes they work better like that. Everybody works differently and also guys the forty hour. Workweek is antiquated in chi-. Sorry i don't know where that came from but yes also the forty hour. Workweek in silicon valley is sort of notional. It's like we're gonna say that you're reworking forty hours but believe me we don't we don't care what island you're on on saturday. We will find you. we will make you tate. We will make you sign off on this spreadsheet one hundred thousand percent. It's not a forty hour work week in silicon valley. It's euro is working which is another issue for another day. Should we take a little bit of a break and then take have a nice little mint to cleanse halid nice little refreshing something really really fun and also somewhat christmas eve in terms of application lubeck evidence. Well before we sign off. Here's something that you're going to be messing around with fans from now until until you're you're supposed to be in a zoom call with your family because of some sort of a holiday And you're trying to make sure that they can't see that. You're actually paying attention to this window that i'm about to direct you towards instead of uncle trial faz and at feather Talking about the new cap that they got after they lost the other cat house gambling. They lost gambling. That's fine and probably with a much better family. That is not going to gamble. The cat away especially drawing on an inside straight like that. This is rubbish. So the two words. I'm gonna want to plan into your head that are going to transform the next several days of your life flop by the way. That'd be really emotional. I'm sorry i'll stop. I don't. I didn't expect for that to make me emotional for some reason. Did okay raid. No i'm sorry for still have postpartum hormones. It's going sorry how how about you. We distract you with something super super or door knobs google. This is how much money google is making from our personal information and by targeting adds to us they can just pay somebody to do a research project just simply say what if we what if we have like four adorable big google i removes mouth colorful blobs. What if we were to trained in a i to help them to sing opera pixar movie so they exactly this casting dish in and they got this gig. They're not they're they're trying to to to to mess you over by saying no no you have to subscribe to our streaming content in order to be able to see this movie. No they just want you to play with the blob opera and have fun with what it is. You'll see if you knew gouzer blob opera. You'll definitely get at it. How about the course is going to be a link to it in the show notes and after a very very short amount of training you see this beautifully lit and rendered set of blobs that you can then like by pulling by stretching them up and out you can make them sing and harmonize. I'm going to be a playing the soprano here. This hopefully you'll be able to hear this through Through my capture took off and a bit out. There this is this is just like a little noisy thing to play with and it isn't always thing to play with about. It is a machine learning experiment to train them all to sing with an operatic voice Here's the The liebler about it a quote we developed a machine learning model trained on the voices of four opera singers in order to create an engaging experiment for everyone regardless of musical skills and they name they named the professionally trained opera singers that they that were album. This tenor by the move. No i don't recognize their voices. But they're probably i might have heard them at some point. tenor by the christian. Jol base federal. Frederick tong mezzo-soprano joanna gamble and soprano olivia duty recorded. Sixteen hours of singing in experiment. You don't hear their voices but machine learning models understanding of what opera singing sounds like based on learnt for a based on what it learned from them. And i have to say that It's a because if you if you click christmas tree switch in the lower corner. They all get like santa claus hats and the snow starts to fall. And you actually have them singing Diagram of this is the middle with opera. Yeah it'll be looking for someone doing bat outta hell. Paradise by the dashboard. Live in. Who i will say this is like why am really bombed that there is no google i o this year again because this is the kind of stuff that you get to play with in person. It's pretty fun and This is the good fun stuff i like. I like the google arts and culture stuff. And i like that as those interactive and not just like. Here's a virtual tour of a museum. I mean i appreciate the virtual tour of the museum. But like i would actually like to go zone shop and start learning. Learn the stuff we want you to learn. It's good for you know here's four durable blobs. That are just singing you can. That's why you take field trips because they want you to go and put your hands on things and so this is an opportunity to put your hands on things And you know this is a good. This is really good stuff for kids. Can't teach them like different Pitches and singing stuff like that. Like i didn't know what the difference between a tenor and soprano was until i moved in with one of my best friends in college and she was a trained opera singer. That must have been an interesting experience. Is there's a lot of rehearsal and processes while she's still one of my closest friends. And i did not have an appreciation for music in that sense before i moved in with her so and midly and she knows this. It was at times very like hey can you turn it down. But now i have sort of adopted some of that. And so that's why have smooth jazz going lot. Smooth jazz's my my opera in the background. So that's my. I like the cough. I like the smoky coffeehouse. Five there there is sort of an endorphin thing going on where especially when there's when there's snow falling outside or the rain falling outside there's something about having like an art blakely album going and we lived in san francisco and we lived in the sunset in very west and so it was very foggy. Dreary drippy in the morning and it was like we'd wake up and there was opera and it was very his very fitting for the environment outside So i i have to say one other thing. I miss that. I look forward to in the open. The world opens again. They have family opera days at the san francisco opera. And it's like it's a it's cheaper to get and it's kid friendly and they have subtitles so you can understand and they explain the plotline to you like they take little breaks so it's not just for kids also for like adults like me who don't really who never really understood opera but wanted somebody to kind of explain it to them and it's and it's afternoon to also shake sometimes a late night showings are hard to do so. Some people are a little bit surprised. That like i got into opera while ago and i try to explain to them. The opera is very metal. It's there's a there's a productivity dot of sex and violence. I mean it's were renita ramp up service but i people wire don't know that Like when the america's got talent and the uk's got talent shows and they the one of the stock characters as the eleven year old opera project. She's just a tiny little girl but she singing like an opera star of first of all. She's not okay. she's she knows how to do the vibrato. But that's fine again. She's just say. I don't want her to blow out her voice at age twelve and not be able to sing anymore. That's why. I think this is a problem but see so. She's singing this song but she has no idea that okay I know that you're seeing this song or the producers. Watch you to sing the song. Because this is like the the the the song that they always have like the little twelve year old opera prodigy sang now. You do know that in the opera this is taken from. You have just murdered your husband on your wedding bed you have reappeared in front of the celebrants at your wedding reception. Your wedding gowns stained in blood and gore. Still holding the bloody knife. And you start singing this. You do know that right. This isn't like a peppy. That's no it's now. I mean it's as if you're an opera it's again opera is very metal and at times. It's it really is a very very heavy metals sort of sort of sort of thing that nessun dorma do you know the the the opening act. The opening scene of that thing is some prints getting his head cut off. I mean it. And i and i don't mean that. Oh there's a scene. That leads up to it. I mean overture but trump then like. Oh who is that. Oh the princely looking person being led like from stage left stage right said then you hear this crash like oh now the person who is leading the holding his head and his showing him sharing it to the princess. Okay now seundo omar lesson dorm. That's another one so what what what that line is. Never no one will sleep. None shall sleep right that is that is the princesses command to send. All of his oliver armed armed guards throughout the village. Saying that i we. The princess has ordered that. I we are to slay everybody in the village. Yes i know that she is your princess. But that's how much you if you don't give up the this piece of information that she absolutely demands to have had we are under orders to kill you all know until somebody gives up this piece of information. Well my god you're you feel. My heart is so much you off. They're going to cut off law helms of this song at the beginning of a sock. That's the song and joy realize that if you think that this is all this roof roof e like people in big wigs and like fluffy like handkerchiefs. Around again i reiterate opera is very very nedal when it wants to be. That was the perfect way for us to end this episode and feel as but still it's a heck of a song head bopping tuned for sure. Speak to the head. Doesn't bob off your okay. I think that's going to wrap it up or anything. You would like to call people's attention the coming weeks that you're working on. I'm taking a kind of lightning. My workload I am not But i'll be here with you. Andy through the end of the year so everyone just tune in where we're going to. We're going to help me through this exactly going to be. We're going to be here next week. We're going to be here the week after that we will. We will get each other through if if we all. You're all going to hold hands and crossed the finish line of twenty twenty together. And that's i can. I can think of nothing more pleasant than oo. And that's definitely excuse for a cake. I'm definitely gonna be having a cake ready for. I twenty one. I think you flow should get with it all our listeners. I hope that you just make your plans. Don't even bake it yourself because that's actually will remind you in the front end of the year so remind you before that exactly so that that gives you a lot of time to think about what kind of cake you want. Make it make it a good one all crossing the finish line together as for me. I can go to w. w. g. b. h. news dot org For the the tech stuff. They do pretty much once a week. you can stream it live or stream it later as at one pm And as always go to an opco on twitter or not going instagram. For whatever it is that. I'm an spoon around with Go that flow to find out. 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Material 241: It's a Rich Man's World

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Material 241: It's a Rich Man's World

"Good morning afternoon or evening. Please delete as appropriate. Hello there and welcome to this episode to forty forty one of the material. PODCAST I am Andy NOCCO and I'm Florence. I on and we already up to forty one. That is an amazing feat. We deserve round of applause a Actually the way you phrase it no we're already at two forty one maybe there's some sort of like millennial Lynn goes. Oh Oh man. I'm so to for you one man but at the same time. I am realizing that I started. I think before hundreds hundreds. I don't remember when I started. Maybe it was before one hundred fifty. I don't know you run roads or woven into the tapestry of this podcast. Such is that we cannot imagine those threads ever having not been there flow and I'm no longer the younger. The youngest generation the workforce. ooh That's true. Yeah that's I'm now now in the middle so I'm People coming after your jobs yet. We can't talk about the fact that tomorrow when this podcast publishes tomorrow being Thursday. I'm officially at thirty eight weeks. Which means baby could come any any day? Now that's what the doctor said. Today she said as of tomorrow any day now. And I'm like gotta gotta get those deadlines in because I don't think an editor would appreciate if I say. Hey so that article. I promise you not happening well. Water broke no go for it out. I don't put it. Don't put it out in the open and my husband too. He has like really every night. We're like just stand there a little longer. It's fine like you can hang out in there. No one no one's GonNa make you leave at least at least until one more episode of the mask singer. Don't live let me just. Let's get to watch one more episode of singer before we become parents. Yeah right eight Richard the PBS by law. No we're still going to be watching silk stockings. 'cause we're like really invested now. I mean we're up to season for so by the way. This is the SMUT that I have put in front of watching Colombo so I'm sorry to everyone out there who's very disappointed in me and my pop culture choices but you know what who can resist a young young rob says just going to put that out there. Also also some Now that particularly now that I'm watching these shows on BLU ray a combined those clubs on Blu ray like there are some things that I even noticed like in standard definition like the episode in which Roddy McDowell is the murderer working at a chemical plant. Can't now again. I don't want to get an explicit tag all I'm saying is that in standard definition off of the DVD's he's his trousers. One scene are really tight and you there is no. There is nothing thing that you need to imagine. And now that I didn't I didn't I kind of forgot about that. And then I'm like watching the blue eyed like. Oh My god God I I mean I'm not talking about. Oh Look Ha. There's like I'm saying that no it's like there's a relief map in polio in blue polyester of his groin ecological area. We actually apologize if your children are in the car by the way and you're listening to us and we are talking talking about these things. I used a six syllable word if your child was able to that. It's not even a word to protect to protect those sensitive sensitive ears and if they can figure this out cheers to them because they are very very smart and they probably already know the password to your Wifi Bay station so stop even pretending but I have to say it is part of the reason that really like watching these shows. Because they're just time capsules lake. You know in Colombo my goodness like anyway. He can't he can't get he needs to know what the weather was instead of. Just picking up his phone and doing how he has to like. Call go to pave his wife and say member that day picnic and crawl. Was that call the weather bureau through and no they don't open until nine. AM The next day and then he has to ask everybody in the bar. Hey does anybody remember rain last Tuesday and the and the other one where like the the the TV executive was like shot like in the middle of the chest while he was like laying on his sofa for his office reading a script and the next day. The next day Colombo is lying on that exact same sofa to get an idea of what he could see eh whereas in a even like nine hundred ninety s let alone to thousands cop shows there would have been like blue there would have been just vitriol Israel and yes in the soaking all in there instead of just saying your children can't that's that's that's why it's sometimes fun to revel in the charm some of the early seventies detective show but I'm also just thinking about the fact that like the big meam which by the way is a terrible meam For everyone out there the big name that was like we'll J.lo's fifty and she looks this way. But like here's what Blanche Golden Girls Look like at fifty in the eighties. And I'm like first of all. Let's look at the time so in the eighties. Were very unkind to us. Fashion wise like again. Yeah not and also just like the hairstyles were really the they dated you. I mean even if you watch if you watch and I mean in the seventies seventies the hairstyles were very voluminous and like blown out and so if you looked young you stole like looked young but in the eighties for some reason a blowout would just kind of aid did you. I mean I even look at pictures of my mother who was in her teens in the eighties and she looks older than she does now in in her age Because I'm I'm not GonNa Adrian Mother here on the podcast. Because just because of the way the hairstyles were and I'm like you are all making a terrible comparison Second of all All Blanche was living it up in case we did not remember the plot lines of the golden girls and third of all Paul. J. Lo has a lot of money so she has time to run triathlons like every single day and she has nobody to watch your children whereas the rest of us. Well we're doing Eamon podcasts. And just brain that can most of the most exercise regularly is hanging by thumbs. Yeah well I don't I don't want to you know you've been hogging the Like the the blessed event spotlight and I'd like to swing swing it my way because I am also expecting a blessed delivery The Sony Walkman that I ordered like almost a whole month ago that was supposed to arrive on January nineteenth but like a soon as the nineteenth came and went Amazon said. Oh we don't win it's GonNa weed. We don't know we're going to have stock on this and we don't know where we're GonNa be shipping that your order or maybe the twentieth just got an email today from Amazon saying it's shipped and I will have it tomorrow. Fifty five you got. That is the a fifty five it is. Now this is this is this is android related because most of the most of the newer. This is just arriving in the US shores like a a new brand new this this year even though it was available like all kinds of other places like breast the world last year I was it was because it was between this and I won't get the reasons why it's a very very very very good purchase for me to have a really good like high Def music player. It is actually a Walkman so I'm glad I get back with back when I was back. When Walkman's were real thing I could not afford a Walkman I had to get like an Iowa or Panasonic in that so? I'm glad I finally got up the world I own a real real actual walkman about Peres audio IRAS audio. It's got APTEX But I was. It was a decision between that model which goes for two hundred and twenty bucks for one hundred bucks more which doesn't run like any at runs a proprietary Sony operating system which means they probably like licensed some sort of embedded system. That you've never actually see the next model up is the the The model one the one hundred which is actually more like an Android ipod touch if you follow where it's like it's runs android nine. I think of course it doesn't have like a GSM chip does have a phone chip in it. But it has wifi runs the XS. You can use the Google play store all that sort of stuff But I decided that when the reasons one of the reasons why I'm getting this is because I want to have access to all of them at my tire music library so it's all on actually a visual aid that only flow can appreciate a weeks ago. I prepared this maker. SD Card word of two hundred fifty six gigabytes that has my entire music library on it. I can stick this into a micro. Sp Slot on this device. And we'll get forty hours worth Earth a playback of the next model up which it's nice that it can use streaming services Or even by the way it is is like everything that an android phone would be except for. Actually factually doing phone calls. But because it's Android it'll get maybe ten hours and and unless you get really really finicky about how you set up the power management even if you just leave it in your jacket pocket for a few days the I will be gone in three days about using it and I decided that I didn't need that. I have the phone to make me annoyed that I can't listen to music wherever and whenever I want to do so so I might I might have to see if I can borrow the android version of it just to make a comparison but so so. I'm I'm saying that if anybody wants to throw a shower for me to to The baby needs like a case. They need like a new APP. EXENT APTEX Sir. Low Anita a A Gift Card to the high. The H. detracts Dot Com online store. I mean it's just after prepare the entire house for it like making sure that the proprietary charging cable is available. Like every place where I might set it down. It's it's almost endless. I mean you have to be a parent almost to understand going to make sure the temperature is just right You know for optimum music listening decide which Bowie albums I'm GonNa pin to the start page. It's it's it's endless. You think you're prepared. You know at the end of the day. Everybody is unprepared. You know you just get through and the Walkmans. It's GonNa be fine so long as you. You're using it a no space of love and acceptance. Andy will likely sleep more than me though. for this one by the way I have to say And you can use the sleep apps on it maybe oh just for the android one I have to say Sony continues to impress me with the ability to pump out these devices that are for for niche users. Like yourself who want to continue listening to hi Rez. Back in the day when creative had like the move. Oh and the ipod it was kind of the de facto. I mean it still it was the de facto. MP Three player. It was at least the one that you would see on my campus all the time I got Sony Walkman. MP3 player and I had to use tear this terrible terrible software because it had to convert every song into og Yup bye. Yeah what's the dog. I the thing the thing that made it laughable was that it would convert your entire open. MP Three Library to a proprietary dom Sony format. Not only that but you would then not have even have access to your owned music because once you put it on the MP three player it would sign it out of your desktop library and you had to sign it back in order to listen to it again but the music sounded so darn good like and it sounded better than whatever my friends had on their I pods and at one point And you know high love off to share stories about what life was like for me in college Had this boyfriend who loved music and I let him borrow it because I ended up getting another kind of MP3 player. And I left with him because he broke up with me before I could get it back unfortunately eh And I found out it saved him from a fight that he got on public transportation because somebody punched him mm-hmm and it was like an inch shirt pocket and he was using after breaking up with me. which by the way was just rude? How dare you use the same? After after dumping me over. My space probably still smelled like your your your hand. Your hand moisturizer. He so he got punched in the heart but because he had this thing in his shirt pocket it took the punch for him. So when I eventually like months after we broke up I went to go pick up my box stuff. He hands me this. MP Three player and it's just like bent from this fight that he had on on transit. And I was really pissed because this was this is a great piece of tech. It's something I wanted to hold onto. I knew that this was going to be something I wanted to kind of put into the like my archive stuff right. No I it. It saved my ex-boyfriends life. I guess so I I wanted to bring it up on the PODCASTS. Because I wanted to honor it the fact that Sony has always been in this space And apparently the kind of hardware that they make keeps people fro fro no now. The story live on in the hearts and minds of material listeners. it was it. Was this beautiful red color and everything I know. Oh it sounded so good. It was even the cheap headphones like the night the pair of headphones that I would buy all the time anyway. What's the word? But the worst part we should we should move forward but the worst part is like I still have like most of the digital little music players that I've used including the IPOD that I've used and one of the things that you've been robbed of is the ability to uh-huh you're tidying up you find their drawer and because you also like left like the charging cable in the same drawer say Ooh I know what I'm GonNa do and you charge it up and you get to listen to all the music and all the playlists that you were important to you back in two thousand three thousand four or whenever it was yup. It's fortunate fortunately. I never had an odd buffets. I never had a selene dion phase so it was forty gigs That was like so much then for the particularly how back then when you used to like compress things do real almost crap resolution to get everything Finan. Yeah yeah it was forty gigs. Okay anyway One less quick bit of news because it's it is Google related and it makes me look stupid. So that's why it has has an important part in this podcast. The we finally bring to a close Andy's search for an list list manager to replace Wunderlist switch okay Microsoft bought and now that well now that we've got like all of these people who lose lowest managers. We can switch over to our new Microsoft lists and then officially pull the plug on Wunderlist in March. I think when they stopped using it and so I'm looking I've been looking for a replacement that will do what I need. A list manager for an MSC sure it will work exactly the way I like it and Wunderlist list and the chief might really almost the only thing I use a list manager for is when I'm spending my ex hours a day. Scouring the new sites and scouring hiring newsgroups for things to write about talk about on podcast on the radio And so this and here here we get into the India stupid stupid part I was I. I saw this as an opportunity to like taken the only spend a while since I looked at all the different sort of like list managers that are out there now of course has to sink across multiple devices so anything that's only. IOS are only can't do that. Okay let's take a look at simple note. Let's take a look at evernote. Let's take another look at notion. Ocean listed this sort of stuff. And because I had fixated on that sort of thing it took me until Exactly six days days ago when I realized that let's stop looking at this as an abstract problem and actually write down what we need to do. Andy if I'm not mistaken what you've really absolutely need to get your work. Done is a way of saving web pages the URL's of web pages book marking them. You might even say an organizing them into fuller's now can you think of of a feature. That's common to the chrome web browser. Since I don't know the Clinton administration George W I would have it and then real yes smarter self. You're right I could just simply create folders for each the things that I I need reserved search for and then just like with Wunderlist I can just click the bookmark button star button of the address bar and then select a pop up folder to direct that too. Who and it will be sankt across all of my chrome devices and okay but eh well at least we learned all kinds of things about evernote in simple node the notion and anything else that has the less letters and ot or in that motif somewhere around there? Sometimes you just need to I. I should almost set that as a not a daily alarm but maybe every seventy two hours just a pop up thing saying okay Andy. Now's the time it's two. PM It's been seventy two hours ars since you last did this. I need you to mentally take three steps outside of your own body and assume that the person you're looking at is a total idiot. WHO NEEDS NEEDS clarity? And what would you tell that person you told him to use just bookmarks into. Oh you're right that's exactly what I would do so now convey you. You had to go through this journey though to come to that conclusion like you. Can't you know it's and it's totally fine. And End and life moves on and move on and now I know about notion. I know that it's way too complicated for anything that my pure tiny little pink brain can manage. But I know that it's a very powerful tool. I know that evernote the APP that I abandoned for Wunderlist years ago because it looked like they basically lost their car keys and we're never going to find them again. They found their car keys. well-done evernote okay. Yeah simple and the coal I get just just just like we were talking about where you find your your find your. MP Three player. I'd stopped using evernote for like must been what four years three four or five years. But I was still like subscribing to it mostly because I'd forgotten I was still subscribed to and when I logged back in. It was like Oh my God. Here's my workspace. EXPES as I left it in like Twenty Sixteen Twenty fifteen and all this data that I've collected for a couple of different projects that I didn't completely offerings. Yeah exactly exactly so. And and lastly I am monetize my stupidity by telling the story about it on a podcast supported by advertisements. It's not stupidity. Everybody has to go through this journey to figure out stuff. I mean it's like it's like figuring out where to put stuff in the kitchen and you know like the proper dust places to put things or or whatever sort of life hack you WanNa do I mean even I have have had to kind of change some things and to be honest at this point I just use notion like archive. Like here's important information for my website. Like here's here's important information for this like that's kind of what I use it for in case I need you know. It's kind of fun having your own Wiki but anyway some some they'll l. get. I'm very impressed. I'm both impressed and respectfully intimidated by some of the videos. I've seen about notion and I'll tell you why not just talk about. Oh it's so powerful that bomb it says it's a big learning curve. I know I'm saying that I see like a cautionary tale and a lot of these people where it's like. They started there. They tell the story of their their notion adventure. And they say I used to have a catering business and I had had problems that was in charge of like making sure that we scheduling and deliveries. Were okay but then they got so wrapped up in notion that now they're professional notion Shen consultant and they've forgotten all about the catering business because it just set this hook. They're like Sara Bellum and now they're no they became notion people that I I don't WanNa be notion person because I have too much life in me life. Yes foot giving be giving Bush. I'm Ki Update last week. 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It's fun one for us because as you probably know this is the one time when and Reporters and analysts will ask questions directly clearly of a CEO and they are legally prohibited from lying or prevaricating they have to. I mean literally literally if they if they can dodge the question but if they mislead you that is misleading investors and the and the and the feds are will be very the feds will be very very interested in investigating that also actually it was it was juicier than usual in terms of the amount of information. Shen that's and our Decided and decided to disclose this was the F- senator pretrial has been participating in In a previous Sir quarterly earnings calls of course as CEO of Google. This is the first time he's done as the head of alphabet But there are a lot of I hear. This is the first time the company got specific about actual numbers regarding Youtube and cloud revenue his. They've always said Oh. Well in this big container of all kinds of different businesses that include youtube this container of businesses. Did this did these numbers no. This is the first time they're going to act there being specific There at revenue renew was up. They said compared to quarter four of twenty eighteen quarter. Four of two thousand nineteen was it was at Four point seven two new billion. That's just an ad revenue alone Making four total revenue of fifteen point one five billion last year in two thousand eighteen. That's up from the eleven seven point. One six billion they made back then so that's up also noting that that represents a ten percent of the company's revenue And once again again that is four point two billion from ads. Most of that revenue is going to content creators. They said That would make you happy. Be If you're a youtube creator but if you were Youtube Creator it would remind you that you ain't seen none of that four point two billion dollars because most of it goes to the top one percent of the creators that are responsible for less to save more than one percent of the love. Youtube seems to to give it's Hollywood. It's like Hollywood. Okay the people that you see at the Academy Awards and at the Golden Globes. That's just that's less than one percent of the people who've made it in this world so I also had made some comments to Andy over slack about like where is that revenue coming from like. What kind of content China's driving that revenue and her 'cause we have been you know talking about that on this podcast is worth like bringing up? And but I do wonder if there's some subtlety in in branching out youtube from the rest of the Google Pie as like this is the thing that kind of exist on its own or has its own Corral folks who are dealing with it versus what we're going to talk about with Google alphabet unity mean because yeah this is this is the Glam part of the of the content pie also revealed that Youtube has earned over thirty four. A billion dollars in AD revenue alone over the lifetime of that of the The company turning to cloud computing Because this is where they're trying trying to compete with Amazon to try and compete with Microsoft Cal competing sales were Two point six billion dollars. That was up fifty three percent year to year For a twenty nine thousand nine hundred yearly total of eight point nine two billion. That's up from five point. Eighty four billion twenty eighteen So so oh and there's there's some speculation as to well. This is kind of good news about Youtube and kind of good news about cloud computing. And maybe that was to mask some bad news Small small lower case bad news and then upper case be bad news. The bad news That hardware revenue was down down down. the whereas he was happy to give specific numbers on these successful businesses. He was not willing to give any numbers. Specify specifically on how poorly the The hardware units had performed of. There's some speculation by a bunch of different analysts that you collect from point to point Speculation that the success of the three hundred ninety nine dollars Pixel three Cut into overall revenue because instead of convincing people to buy eight hundred dollar phones or three thousand dollars phones that same same person as walking out with a four hundred dollar phone Maybe even cut into sales of the Pixel Four. It's also been. Google doesn't release numbers Bruce on sales of Nests Smart Smart speakers but most of the consumer researchers have are satisfied that Google lost ground Amazon in the Smart Speaker Category Both companies grew In terms of installed base installed devices but Amazon has been had a much much much much more successful holiday season than Google did. I mean think the Amazon storefront the whole point is over there. They're like hey. Don't forget that you can buy all these added to your cart. Hey wanted to have this. Oh look this. Is Mickey Mouse clock with Alexa. Built in like coming to Kia these still give give you those little meatballs but each one has an Alexa voice. Assistant built right in. Yes and that's not made of horse meat anyway but they give it a clever names. MM So you don't know that that's that's so And the sweep. I guess we could have predicted this it was Anybody who bought the pixel four As soon as it came out had to be feeling pretty cheesed or minus when they saw how deep the discounts went over the next couple of months Much much. We're we're even last year the year before. There's you know there's going to be a black Friday sale but even so the discounts were pretty darn attractive for anybody who didn't snap. Snap the bait immediately. They didn't so they didn't offer any numbers. They only mentioned that hardware is quote a multibillion dollar business us which invites us all to parrot because hardware and we're talking about phones we're talking about Speaker's we're talking about cameras. Everything hardware as lumped into into the other category along with stuff like YouTube Premium Youtube TV TV music services. So I was five point. Three billion dollars altogether so the entire other category was five point. Three billion dollars And again you'd think that he would be more proud of it. If we're talking thirty in the five billion dollars in Harvard sales eve multibillion dollar implies at least two billion and the performance of these products would imply that you're talking about maybe is at this point between two and three billion dollars in revenue So okay I mean that's that's fine. You can come up with all kinds of reasons for that but it's it is suspicious. Apple does this to there's They talk about how excited they are are about technology and how pleased they are to be growing this new market but when they sell like half a kajillions smart washes and the first weekend. They will not lose any time to tell you exactly how many that they sold. So that's I don't think that that certainly doesn't mean that they are going to be They're going to be taking their foot off the gas regarding hardware but it does mean that whatever. Whatever they've been planning there's GonNa be a discussion on what they could be doing different? And this is an investor call so they have to make it sound the have to make it sound good which is why. The numbers are lumped in in this way. Everybody doesn't even if you're sitting in the cafeteria of your company company going through a revenue revenue meeting or whatever like they're going to do the same thing to you they're gonNa tell you like things are looking up. Yup they don't necessarily Zarrella have to give you the numbers they do the last time someone gifts someone was nice. An analyst gave me the half hour to explain exactly what the liabilities ability were on analysts. Call they they would have to give you some guidance on how well the hardware division is doing Even if whether it's performing coming okay it's underperforming but they could not if it were an important part of the financial picture of the company could not get away with leaving that out so it anything they mentioned is significant and everything they this is. They're they're not required to give numbers and the numbers are going to be scary for a lot of people so why bother giving vink. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA tell you that. There's a spider somewhere in the house. If you're scared of spiders and investors are very very scared of spiders with over all Alphabet they took in forty six billion dollars in revenue over the quarter. That's a six seventeen percent increase over the fourth quarter twenty eighteen Seeing ten point seven billion dollars in profit so I guess they're they're not flat lining the not going down they're making profits. A Google Search alone made twenty seven seven point. Two billion The problem though is they beat their targets for profits but they fell way behind revenue projections for the fourth quarter. Are they fell. I think. By eight hundred million dollars. I've I've seen different numbers. This is the one I've decided to put into the into the show doc but it is enough enough that this is probably why they decided to break out more detailed numbers to show. No here's the ads are doing great Youtube is doing great cloud services are doing doing great apples apples. A fourth quarter profit was ten point six seven billion or fifty fifteen thirty five per share. But but that's compared with the analysts. Compared compared with the analysts average estimate of eight seventy eight seventy eight billion Elian eight point seven eight billion or twelve fifty three per share at the end of the day so alphabet shares. Were down four point five percent numbers numbers numbers numbers. Aren't you're excited. Fortunately we have kids in the car. They are asleep right now. Exactly just maybe you're asleep to wake up when you're driving. Excuse comfortable tones. Yahoo Finance Pat an ice breakdown of the actual what it looks like. From a financial point of view for for instance mostly relative to other industries that they're competing with Youtube video streaming video streaming unit is generating ad revenue at a pace of fifteen billion anal- final annually. But that put it below the rough estimates that have always been as high as twenty five billion. So this is the first time they've given an actual number. So here's how much the it it makes an ad revenue it's always been subject of congest conjecture And some people who are making their guesses are disappointed that it wasn't as high. Hi as they were guessing so that kind of made People see a little bit scared They they divulge that Again quoting Yahoo Finance your Their the numbers Divulging fifty-three percent quarter quarterly revenue growth for the cloud services compared to a year ago will that's great In terms of growth for Google Cloud But it means that a bruce more slowly than the business it is trying to catch up to which is Microsoft Azure. So that's other bad news. Sales Growth Azure used everywhere. By the way it's like every companies this is where we we've talked about Inside stories about how the cloud computing unit and the marketing people behind it have been Some of the people who have left Google and disgust have complained that The that A lot lot of the don't be evil. Ethos was never even part of the cloud services marketing team because their job is to to make sure that if there's anybody evil dictator or not who wants to if they want to write an application to automate the application of the steel title Boot Hill on the neck of the proletariat and they can convince them to use Google cloud instead of as you're instead that is a feat that's worth with praising so that's very very big deal Sales growth overall dipped below twenty percent in three quarters during twenty nineteen verses. Only once wants in the whole previous three years So alphabet chief financial officer Ruth. Parrot was on the call. She responded to an analyst who is talking about asking about about these kind of sour numbers. And here's what she said quote. We continue to be very focused on the benefit from better measurement better ad delivery better user experience but there will be very ability over time. Because we're very focused on what's in the right long term interest so trying to shuttle a lot of this off on. Well you were. We're doing we're we're We're giving you the the numbers that you're disappointed in. Compared to the previous quarter's those were as well and finally honed and calculated as the numbers. Were giving you now so think of it. More like our numbers were always in the crapper and and now we're just having we have the we. We put new batteries in the calculator to actually be able to tell you that which again it's it's a defense? I'm not a financial analyst so I can't say whether it's safe successful Defense but you'd for for people like me okay. Who again have to have seeing eye nerds Explain financial stuff to me the big takeaway that everybody understands dances that all that great news leaks about alphabet is now a trillion dollar company. Well no no no no not. They're not anymore. Maybe in the future maybe very soon but there was a lot of people who decided to sell Google alphabet. Yeah that's that's a good point so the the name of last week's spike casts no longer stance yes but it was a great week for them again was very very proud of the. I'm I'm sure that there are a lot of those. The fruit bouquets shape like flowers said all across Mountain view a lot of excited phone calls from their parents. I love and edible arrangement. Okay just particularly. It's chocolate dipped. I mean particularly with. They're not stingy about the strawberries The melon melon slices. Those are two but yeah they're not the star of the show. They fill it out you. You're here for the pineapple. You're here for the strawberries and the ones ends dipped in chocolate speaking speaking of goodies. Another new another new number that we got alphabet also revealed that it's paid eighty a billion dollars to developers to date Through the Google play store and before you pull the string of that party popper was just a couple of weeks. It's after Apple. said that they've paid out one hundred and fifty five billion in the apples in the in the In the ice store The APP store. So that's roughly twice and wonder it's that's another number that Kinda gets you wanting to wonder exactly what what the situation is one. We can't deny that one of the big problems is that apple has the the apples. IOS APPS store is operational in China. China and Google play store is not so okay fair. Point that there's some there's some money that is changing hands for IOS devices. Their APP APPS store that has not even close to becoming available for Google but nonetheless when you talk about how big the android installed basis I'm uh-huh and even just talking about phones that have access to the play store which is not all android phones You'd Kinda wanted to be closer to equal when you I don't know our android user just skinflints or not. I actually don't know what that phrase means the cheap penurious individual who does not like to part with their money Yeah I don't I don't know I have M- it's it's definitely another another club in In Apple's hands with with which to beat Google android over the head with when they're because especially now that we're getting into the developers season that at Apple's worldwide by developer conference one of their most popular opening slides is. Here's how many peop- here's how many Pe- and remember that W WDC they are talking to an audience and was was completely of developers. And they're saying here is how many people are using the very very latest version of Iowa on their iphones. As a huge you'd like ninety eighty eighty ninety percent ninety to ninety three percent. And here's how many people are using the latest version of android and then it's like three or four or five percent and making the point that And here's how much revenue. Here's how much money we have handed out to developers making the point that if you spend your time developing a an Iowa's APP instead of an ANDROID APP you'll make a lot more money you can target more phones with exact same tools instead of a fragmented marketplace and. That's not something that That and that Google wants to have have to deal with okay. I'm also thinking about the fact that there are a lot of like third party marketing. There are a lot of third party services that you could put on your APP to like like make revenue maybe in some cases a little more nefarious and maybe in some cases android would allow for those things a little more than then then apple. IOS would maybe and just because you did bring up China. I'm just thinking about overseas usage. Not just China. I'm thinking other other places. Russia for instance You know thinking about those APP stores stores and the fact that like those exist on android and you don't necessarily have to install Google play to make money uh whereas on I an iphone you do. I'm just thinking about like Russia. Has He endex. China has all these different networks and like even I know carriers years in different Asian countries and South Asian countries have like their own APP stores. And I imagine you know so. I think it's just I wonder if it's just because that's there's more there's more quote unquote freedom. I I certainly don't have an answer It just it just still seems disproportionate like by the time we give credit for all of the the the the simple fact that the that the The IRS marketplace and they end marketplace are two completely distinct entities with their own their own ease ease abilities and their own problem abilities associated with them. It seems like a disproportionate amount of money up so well. Well we'll keep people. The the difficulty is that when when you take a look at all these other numbers bowel And and flow can vouch for this. A lot of this is me like saying I think I understand what this part of the financial of the breakdown means. I think I understand how what how to interpret this relative Tiv- to what other companies are doing in the same sectors. I think I understand what the cloud computing data is how that is important. Compared to they're they're trying to compete be with Microsoft but it's like But that's like because I've been doing nothing but looking at these numbers for a couple of days and once again firing off emails to friend friend of my friends of mine who do nothing but study Study these books and studies tables all the time who can kind of dumb things down for me but when it comes down to something as simple as has apple paid out one hundred fifty five billion dollars to developers alphabet alphabet. Google only paid out eighty billion dollars to developers ARRIGO. There's more money to would be made by being and and even though there could be complicated reasons why that's true in a may not be a linear aid to be sort of thing. It's something that feels feels like. Oh I understand that that. This number is objectively larger than this other number. Well speaking of numbers. Let's mix mix. Let's let's make some coin for ourselves. So that's our during our earnings call we can. 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Trial are H.. refs for their support of material and all of relay. We laugh em well. It's google photos time Google's Google photos time And Hey funny funny story. You're going to get a die laughing at as EH turns out that if you asked Google photos to send you like an archive of all your pictures during a few days around Thanksgiving giving last year it might have sent. You sent some of your personal videos to other people and when you got your archive like you might have found some videos videos from other people. You're not supposed to see as part of your package. We're going to laugh about this. No we're not we're really horribly horribly off dumbstruck by this particularly at a time where Google is being attacked on all fronts about being irresponsible custodians of personal private data. You're you're one of the lucky people who used the the Download your data service on Google photos between November twenty first and November twenty fifth and your data has been compromised You got yard. I know this because he already got a troublesome Lee Breezy a nonchalant letter. I think I'm correct in saying a lot of people toasted their letter their letters quote. Unfortunately I think I'd fortunately you know during this time some videos and Google photos were incorrectly correctly. Okay exporter to I don't know unrelated users What are more video on one or more videos in your Google photos account was affected by this issue? And let's just leave it at that. He didn't say Leslie. Well that you want to say here are the files that we think were compromised. And here's the here's what we think. No it's like you know what be during the Super Bowl. We were doing a lot of four K. streaming so you might experience some slowdowns when you're doing a youtube live feed If you have any problems like that contact customer service make sure you log in with your actual username. That literally was what they said. If you have the problem just contact customer service and you make sure you use your your username. Watt boilerplate stuff The letter supposed to end when you're when you're when you're seeing red and you're greeting the next paragraph Say Well what are they doing to help me with this. They recommend leaves again. T. Definitely solving the wrong problem here. the letter thinks that the the the reason why you're angry that Oh you mean that what I asked for more like an archive of all of my photos and videos. Some of my videos might not have been downloaded because they were replaced by other people's videos. Don't worry if you just re download download everything and get get another download your data request. It will come through justified. No that's not what I'm upset about Google photos. I'm upset that even though I wasn't doing sex tape sorta stuff. I'm just basically upset. Even harmless normal birthday videos of my children might be deep in the hands of probably perfectly innocent people. But I have no way of knowing that congratulations. This is what I'm not going to be worried about for the next four to eleven months. Yeah we apologize for any inconvenience. This may have cost back to talking about cloud services stuff happens. You'll find this why pencils have erasers. You know with you can't go there. Two Sides to the coin every time something works right. There's GonNa be some times when things were wrong that if you want. I want to see the sunrise. There's going to have to be some nightfall before then like thank you very much. Abbas Miller I really just want to know what the hell happened to my data and So they're saying that less less than a point one percent of users who attempted takeouts accounts were affected by this bug Let's also point out that in July a was discovered that photos has over a billion users according to fast asked company so multiply a Billion Times point. Oh one that's not a small number of people they also have said that the bug has been quote identified and resolved unquote and given that. We are justified in being annoyed with Google. They didn't say that they fixed the bug. They just said that they'd resolved implies that they I decided that point one percent you know what if I had a point one percent of winning the lottery. I still don't think I'd buy a ticket. No No. It's they seem to be underwhelmed by the enormity of this problem so well point zero one percent is you know for the corona virus. Not GonNa hurt anybody. So what about this necks ex. Google thing by the way because I am intrigued but still skeptical. So they I it. Looks like Google is trialing their tests to their test doing a subscription service for Google photos And you will know that you've been selected selected for this if you open up Google photos and you see an invitation to be part of like a trial group of people who bring offer this service and that service is for seven ninety nine a month seven seven dollars and ninety nine cents a month. Google photos will automatically select ten photos from your last month's worth of photos photos Then print them and mail them to you. So you'll receive ten photos from the last thirty days worth of your Google photos uploads and you don't know which ones they're going to be. The Algorithm is going to decide which ones are super special and sparkly and glittery Unicorn enough so like to the live albums space just the physical version of the live albums. It's it's kind of like there's an alternate universe version of you. Who thought that you'd like to have these ten photos and they know your home address so of course they can send them to you? You do have some control Some of the people who have been offered this This trial trial have sent ample screen shots of what you see you can select between three themes was called quote mostly people and pets unquote quote so things faces in them The other choice is quote mostly landscapes. So we're talking about like tourist photos of buildings things in yards and landscapes in seaney. Things were again if you're antisocial or if you just don't hang out with a lot of friends the so this would probably be the best choice for me Or number three a little bit of everything which of course is a mixture of the tube. So it's you know I'm and and the thing is one of the reasons that attracted me to getting like an MP three player. Sorry no it didn't. I was called a digital audio arms. I'm just GONNA walk them. Is that I kind of like I kind of missed the tactile part of accessing my music that I have this device and has play button and and stop buttons and volume controls as opposed to just this APP on my phone that I can sort of sorcerer into into appearing and then disappearing and I have to admit that kind of miss having physical tactile photos to deal with and photos to mail off to people because they are pretty recall and as Nice as although SMART displays are getting so cheap that now they're two hundred dollars. I was about to say you. You still can't. There's still something about getting a magnet. That's shaped like the Saint Louis Arch because you spent some time going through that airport on your way to someplace else and sticking that to your fridge with a picture of your friends dog that they gave you that you now every time you you you you get some soy milk fear frosted flakes you. Get to take a look at this cute picture of the of the dog. I if I sign up for it for a year I would definitely say no I would definitely sign up for it for for a few months just to see what what that's like and we'll be kind of fun to go to the mailbox. And once you've rummage through all the capital one offers and all the all the ads and stuff. Oh look here's some ten pictures that are going to remind me of things that I already did but forgot about in the in the interval. That could be kind of fun and might be worth eight bucks. But I don't know well I'm curious about I'm probably GONNA sign up for this and try it out when I got the baby around because I imagine in that I'm just going to be shooting photos like every single moment and just tracking the child's development over time which you know is the whole again when we we talk about the way things are marketed to us that's exactly what Google photos is marketed. As right. That's what Google Cliffs Camera was supposed to be just going to say that's exactly what I'm going to bring out of volt. I still have the APP for and everything. It's just eight dollars is quite a bit quite a bit of. I guess it's less than He. It's less than a dollar. A print is a print Then you ten. Four by six prints on Matt stock with a white border A stock by the way. I'm surprised at how long it's like stayed at this price. Like they really don't want to give you a matte stock they really would rather either give you the glossy. I've just anybody who used to do photo development back in the day knows exactly what I'm talking about For any of the Zuma's or Jen's ears listening in there just like what are you people talking about. But anyway I'm sorry we're not GONNA have your prince in one hour as we promised to make up for for the inconvenience. I'm very happy to upgrade you. Not only to five by seven prince but five by seven met Prince These are just four by I. Six at the thing is I had a lot of photos of my cat that I had printed out matt stock for by six and and they are now just like all over the house so I- let's try this. We'll try it. I'm I was by the way refreshing my phone and the page that offers the that offers this particular subscription service will not load for me. It says I'm offline even though I am off you know not so more on that later but I think I'm going to try it out. I'M GONNA see if it'll pick all like the nice photos of you know my child boom. It's it's see this. I think it's a really interesting. It's really interesting for the reason that you just sort of brought it up because photos does facial recognition so imagine if you could say that I just want pictures of the kid or I just want pictures of the dog or any particularly want pictures Of these two or these three people right number one so already. You're getting it. You're making more interesting people because you're allowed to say I don't know which pictures of my kid it's probably going to. It's going to select the ones that Algorithm think are nicely composed definitely in focus. There's a there's a face that's actually looking at the screen looking at the camera and then that faces smiling well done but then the next step after that is maybe you don't want it for yourself maybe just once a month Your your scrap to this and what's a month it sends you an email or Google photos here the ten that we've decided that We've collected for you to send to your mom and dad that are going directly to your Grammy Grammy's and again these out you would. You would definitely want to have agency in it so definitely want to have to approve it but Ed How how difficult is it to go through the last month's worth of photos and pick ten versus we pick ten that we think are really really cool if anything if there are any any you don't like click on it and we'll pick another one for it or just click this button and will automatically be printed and mailed to grammy right. That would be super interesting. Yeah Okay now you're you're giving me all this fodder. Okay just wait and see everybody either way. It's been an interesting week for Google the photos. Yup So we've good news and bad news one. The one that makes you never want to have to ever put another photo into Google servers. Ever again But another one that it makes you wonder that perhaps this will help you bring your family together. Ideally with the least amount of hands on effort. I'm not I'm not saying that. Sending pictures of the kids here. The the kids grandmother is is Is Too much work. I'm saying that I'm definitely sort of person who would have the best of intentions but would forget or or it's okay. I gotta do that today but then now eleven pm and so if there were if there were a jeeves if there were personal assistant could say you're reminded you you wanted me to choose ten pictures like on the third Thursday of every month to send to you to send your mom like are are these okay. Yes thank you very much Google Assistant. Please please do mail them or email them with my compliments. Exactly well we have one last story we do. Okay I was not I have to admit I didn't get a whole lot asleep So I may be mean spirited in my show notes. I thought it was funny because we were talking about dead flanders the last week last week. Show his beatnik parents so Again part part of my It's it's a good therapy for me to own my mistakes. Thanks and share my stupidity with you listeners. Here in material podcast limb so I will. I will quote myself Vadim for the story. hippie artists Beatnik freak tears himself away from slapping his damn bongos or whatever the hell does. Cra Long long enough to create a fake traffic jam and Google maps with a wagon. Reagan full of phones. I get a science name. Is Simon Wecker. I'm sure he's done some marvelous things. I was pre. Judging him and again I was tired. I heard there was a long long workday. I'm a manual laborer. In the fact in the sense that I type and use a mouse but that is what the hands and manual labor means with the hand so I was. I was a little bit. I that was wrong. I own a I am but an imperfect vessel for the perfection of the universe. Let's just get into the actual story. So he has this artist Simon Record. He filled literally a little red wagon with ninety nine phones. Each separate Sam Each active Activated Google maps navigation on each one of them and then pulled it down a streets at walking pace and and of course Google maps because these were all supposedly like maps navigating vehicles ninety. Nine cards are now going very very slowly in sort. Sort of a clump Google maps within mark that street as being the site of a traffic jam and rewrote people around it So it's funny and an interesting commentary and to see how easily a complex and sophisticated system like Google maps. Traffic can be bamboozled particularly when you consider How much mayhem you could create by shutting down the street by creating fake traffic jam but this was is a actually a really really cool event because it he himself when he was talking about this was talking about how difficult it turns out to be to fool Google maps traffic into thinking that? There's a traffic jam. So for instance if he stopped pulling red wagon than the traffic jam would quote clear. Clear itself that was no good if it only and it only worked if he was the only thing on that street as soon as another car like drove behind him and past him or came the other way the traffic jam would immediately clear. Because asking me if this car was running the Google maps navigation the the algorithm and say. Oh well clearly. There's a car that's moving. Really really fast whatever's happened whenever I think is happening with these ninety nine vehicles can't be true And also you got you got to say that. Ah Google had exactly the right response to this They were really good. They're real good sport about ninety five Google Reported on this and Google provided a statement to them a quote. We've launched the ability to distinguish between cars and motorcycles in several countries including India Indonesia and Egypt though we haven't quite cracked traveling by wagon. We appreciate seeing creative uses of Google maps like this as it helps us make maps work better over time so it's interesting it's interesting When when you think about it that that you can figure out a vehicle is running? The Google maps APP is a car and not a motorcycle. Motorcycle tends to lean one way or another with curves and so by accessing sensor data on the phone it could figure out. Is this behaving this moving like a car or is this moving a motorcycle and so maybe ah you'd think about how important it is to not be tricked by like a motorcycle. That's doing lane splitting during the middle of a traffic jam. That okay if you're not on like Honda Scooter and have a death. Wish then then no. Otherwise you're GONNA be stuck on this highway at this. At this moment. I just thought it was a very interesting. Like what a great project to sort of bring to light how algorithms are really formed and logged. I mean I had a couple of people. Send me the story eh through text message or just like hey did you see this funny thing about Google maps and I was like when you boil it down like this is really all that it is is. It's just this is a bunch of aggregated data. And that's how it finds out like what's going on and that's why even though you know a a lot of people rely on Google maps you have to kind of remember that this is how the information is getting processed before it is sent to you which is why sometimes you'll be driving and then all of a sudden it's just clear everything's fine. Nothing's wrong anymore. I I really like I. I thought it was clever. I thought it was a clever little. Like I WANNA see more of this more of its kind of quote unquote art from this person. Just let's call it hijinks. There's nothing evil about it. They're just good old-fashioned hijinks and Google Google's right that it really is important that people we'll do commit these acts of hijinks Sherie because there are people like their have their recurrent intermittently. There are these stories about people who are entire that. Because there's there's a construction on one of the major commuter arteries That ways or Google maps is diverting people across down this publicly accessible paid for by every single person who pays gas taxes entire state. But I don't want that traffic going in front of my house house so we're GONNA I'm gonNA use the ways to report a car accident like right there so a won't send people down here and so they have to have the Google have countermeasures against the people who for whatever reason whether it's hijinks or just because You know I bought a house. That was a not a two lane highway but never occurred me either. People who'd be driving are these highway at nine. Am like yeah. Well sorry. It's as well if there's if there's an accident on that street is it. Okay if we send cars to cut across your lawn Sir not no okay so you to save lives. So you're saying you'd prefer to have people driving on the St Okay. We'll know that we can talk about how about this Runaway Renovated Streetcar hit can either Kill Five. It's either they're heading for five people on the street or you can diverted onto your lawn. Where able do nothing but like hurt your lawn which which switch to you? Fool Sir Boy Well and I really liked by the way that This was done in Berlin and This was done nearer word Google. HQ in Berlin so which is a very like a populated part of the city and where these sort of traffic jams tend to take place. I again I WANNA see. I WanNa see more like this. I want to see more. I also like that. He did views again literally. A Little Red Wagon. Oh yeah a kitschy little red wagon exactly the kind that you would exactly how I would race down the side of a hill on your barbies. In Andy I just pull my friends but you just throw your friends down the hill. That's fine I also know we also wondering where did he get a hold of not just one hundred phones but one hundred phones with active Sim cards was he like like asking strangers on the street. Can I borrow your phone pictures. That show like all the all of them have Google maps running at the same time in their all different sized. I eased some are giant summer. Small die imagine a heaping pile unless the unless they he recreated for like press pictures or something like that but the the real to me so I just this so I have to say that if he committed a bold with an interesting active hijinks serie and also got a government arts grant to do it with that I could do nothing but salute that person. I've I'm sorry for calling calling you. A hippie beatnik freak I was again I only got like five hours of sleep last night. You just brought up the fact that he might have gotten an art grant and considering during this is Germany and they do have social services Especially for the arts is possible the swamp it's unlike unlike America were idiots like me will make fun of him. For pursuing art and creativity. They Berlin is no like Berlin is still one of the places they really inspires this kind of thing And by the way since we're on the subject of Berlin They're not raising rents for five years. They just passed an ordinance so I don't you know just on the subject of Berlin. This is like a great place to do this sort of it. It's doubly unfortunate that the the corona viruses putting up these. These travel bans. Because you know I'm not saying I would by saying I want to look at property elsewhere. I'm not saying I would move and I think I would change my citizenship. I'm losing people from WC by the way like there are not third. A company like L. has said bye. Bye Tim W. 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Material 251: Dogs and Cats Living Together

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Material 251: Dogs and Cats Living Together

"Don't good morning afternoon or evening. Please delete as appropriate there and welcome to this the historic episode to fifty one. Okay yes the last one was the really big one but we. We put a same amount of effort into all of the material podcast. I am Andy Nocco Florence I on and you know Andy. It being two fifty one actually special because To plus one is three and three swab is eight and eight turn. It sideways is in the Infinity. Sign which just goes to show that like this show actually. It's got a lot of luck ahead of it. This would have been made even better today. We're like the eighth month of the eighth day of the year of the whatever anyway high mostly certain that if dolphins listened to podcast. This is the sort of podcast. The dolphins would enjoy listening to you. That's how smart they are. That's how good this podcast. They're my favorite animal and like a lot of people. Don't know that because I don't have like Dolphin things you know. I don't wear like a Dolphin Niclas or have like a dolphin pillow. I mean I think I have a dolphin stuffed animal somewhere like my mom's house I don't know but I love them precisely because they are extremely smart and I loved flipper as a kid the original animal with Elijah Wood. I'm I'm glad I'm glad that we're not doing that stuff anymore. As a species. I'm glad that we've that. There's you know what I don't care how good a trademark Shamu the killer whale is. Maybe we shouldn't take these huge highly social animal. Keiko I have a Keiko free. Will the free willy wear well again? Mom's house somewhere in a box but yeah I had I mean because yeah that's you do as a kid right. You get favorite animal you know. That's that's fine as an adult. I don't have any of those things anyway not to throw shade to adults. Who Do all right? I'M GONNA stop. I'm so we're I don't speak. I don't want to speak for you. I think that most people would be okay if you have random person. And all you know about them is that they have like a dolphin plush toy or a Shamu the killer whale. Like a a seaworld plush doll you would not think less of them for it if like you see them on instagram showing off the killer will that they have in their Jacuzzi in the backyard. Then you'd have follow-up questions maybe maybe you would not be willing to vote for them as a member of your local school boards right. I mean look. I'm not Carol Baskin here. I am not wearing all key theme things and have like a kiddy riskier Dauphin rescue but I just needed to drop in my tiger reference in there just two people now I watched it and the whole thing is just a testament to a policy failure in America so that that's the most optimistic thing I've heard anybody say about this country in a long long time. A policy failure well so speaking of endangered species. I've had I had a really cool experience because the I reintroduced myself to my pixelbook after a layoff of about a month because the the pixel book lives in my in my bag because it is the computer that I was going to the coffee going out to the coffee shop what. I'm going into the city for the day like it is my field computer and for the past month I have had. I haven't had no need for lightweight. Computer I will take I've been like In the living room with my thinkpad or like in the office with my macbook or something like that and I was surprised that it's still held had held like it's seventy five percent charge after being ignored for like three or four months. Yup I was impressed that it it's computers are often like a door. Golden retrievers in that. They want to help you so badly. That and sometimes they they misunderstand like what their mission is a very adorable way and so as soon as I woke it back up. It was like like okay. Well let's go into chrome and check out this and then suddenly I couldn't do anything because it was load again like thirty days of occasions slack. Every service that I ever did yes Ebay and they're Andrew notifications plus chrome os notification so. It's just like they're just barely at you. Basically it was. It was running a running to the back yard with a stick that was like five or six feet wide towards a gate that was two and a half three feet wide. That was basically what what it was like and also download a whole bunch of like updates that Yup. We've had a lot of chrome. I know that were currently on hiatus the Google Chrome group is but we have had a lot of updates. Since the last time that you opened your pixelbook yes now. I I don't even so the big deal. I was was new spaces like a desktop style like workspaces but haven't even I just love the concept and wave using chrome. I don't like things that are promoted to me as as if like they figured out something that I wanted that I didn't know I want. Let me discover it. Although I should say that I shouldn't say that because I did. I've only recently discovered that you can rename files in the MAC. Os Finder very very easily Because I've I've been I've been doing a lot of downloading a Lotta stuff from my plex server and those who don't have Like media servers. There's this you don't have to if you if you download like episode season three episode eight of Walker Texas Ranger. You don't have to type in. Okay what's the title was in this? Synopsis was the poster frame for it because with plex most other most other services. All you have to do is named that file that episode filed in a certain way. It's the name of the series that followed that in parentheses with like the year in which that series debuted in case they were like more than one movie or TV show the same and then s followed by two jet number. Here's the season number e followed by two digit episode number. And then whatever whatever whatever media organizer your us we'll go on to the IMDB GO TO TV DOT COM or whatever pulled down that stuff and populated automatically but the thing is you have to name so I would be like downloading like twelve episodes of something and then manually doing it and then I. It took me about a week of doing this before I remembered that. Didn't you write something? Three years ago about Mac. Os Yosemite and it's really good. Refile renaming the freezer and then I said replied to myself. Well yes but that was me as journalists the journalists me didn't tell the actual user me about this so you shouldn't be calling me idiot. You should be calling the journalist and the an idiot. That's a really good point. Andy there are like two sides to us in our lives. I feel like and I know that this is very specific to me. Andy and you know the people that we work breath and colleagues but it does feel like a duality where I have the user side of me and then I'm like Oh and then I have to tell the work side of me. Hey that would be a really great story that you should write and tell people about because you found out about that and I bet you. There's people out there who don't know about it either. The MAC thing I missed that from using a MAC because when I came back onto windows the renaming. I'm using this old legacy APP from the mid the mid to thousands That of we have until now you know maybe twenty ten With the same interface to do batch renaming so it's not by the way I emulate that APP on chromosome because Komo's doesn't do that natively. Yeah I'm I'm a little bit disappointed after using after not using it for a month I'm sure the things will change once. I'm allowed freedom of the world again. But it's it's still as much as I like the fact that kind of just a browser. It's still kind of just a browser and I think I feel so I need to spend some time fancier. Yeah I feel like I need to spend some time doing remedial chrome os just to make sure that. I know exactly everything that it can do a month just for a month of being gone not. Yeah it's I've also I've also like a lot of people like being stuck in the house. It's like a lot of projects that were like sort of on the shelf for a while. I've been taking down from the shelf. And so like a bunch of old laptops that I might have paid like ten bucks for an MIT market last year. There before are finally getting well. Let's see what it can do. Let's see what I WANNA do with this. And the the end of that decision tree is usually installing some form of Lennox on it and so and because I can. I can have this. Nineteen th two thousand eight Mac book or powerbook and so long as I can get the a chrome chromium based browser on it. It's as good as I would possibly. It's still like seventy five percent of a really really useful device and kind of got me thinking that. Yeah but so. What's onset of spending like eight hundred dollars on like an Intel? I five based CHROMEBOOK. Why don't I just spend ten dollars on a thinkpad that has has like a a a seller on processor or whatever and I'm just using the browser anyway? I know it's way more than that. But I just realized that it's really is just about using the browser especially in this day and age because everything is just contained your computing life ever. Since we moved to the cloud. The really happened because it was easy. I mean the browser is essentially the portal to the cloud on whatever you have it on you know whatever device that you have it on and everything everything of mine that's on. The Internet is tied to one account really when I think about it. Oh my God and this just makes me think about the whole That link I sent you today on slack at the Center Forgot Columbia. The Columbia Journalism Review. It was a conversation between Mark Bergin. Who COVERS GOOGLE? And I'd afraid and a forgot who else and they were talking about. Just how Google has like locked us in to to needing it because of this account and I know that we've talked about that before but because we're having this conversation and it just led me to that sort of re revelation. I'm just it's just making me think twice. We do this podcast because because of that account I've been thinking about locked into because I I've CROMER's wonderful browser. It's a fab browser the being locked in Yeah because I'm a I'm a Max. I just realized that part of part of my preflight checklists before like do a live stream or a like a live. Podcast is to shut closed. Close every single chrome window if and if I can actually quit chrome and switched to safari for whatever. I need a browser for because I know that it's not gonNA. It's not gonNA start like creating Brandt like one hundred thousand instances of Java script and just totally kill every other priority that exists on this thing and the and the thought goes that maybe I should switch this of Ari and I don't know whether I feel locked in or whether it's a precursor just being grateful for how well having the same browser on every device works because if I could if I if I could find a system that could bookmarks between browsers as well as just simply being logged into my google account and using Chroma. Everything was that might be a game changer. But I can't time I try one. It's like okay now. There's something that I want to talk about on on material on Wednesday or something else that I really going want to make sure that on Thursday when I'm preparing the show docket for NPR. That this is the first thing I want to now. I'm going to trust you safari that if I bookmark those the plug and I've installed is going to make sure that it sinks across all devices because I find out like a day after the show and I'm reminded that I didn't talk about this thing. I'm going to be very upset. I'm upset I'm just disappointed. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I feel that way too like when you're going through your tops from the week that you've collected because that's what I do in the browser that I use is I just. I do this on every device that I use is I just leave. A bunch of browser tabs open minded. Come back to this later. But because I use chrome and I have that one account when I do the fire up chrome and the history. And then it'll give you the tabs that are open on other devices by the way you up the pixelbook mine like I use mine every day. It's just it's you know it's my companion and so I think that's to me. It's a little surprising to hear that you had to. Kinda like do remedial you know chrome os because for me. It's I'm so familiar with it. Sometimes they come back to you like a quote unquote regular operating system. And you know I think. Oh God I forgot how this thing works. Visually my pixelbook is looking worse for wear and I just have been going through a lot of cleaning regimens with the devices in my office because again. We're at home writing. Stu you're staring at these things all the time you're thinking. Oh my God that's so dirty including smart displays you know making sure to get a little. I'm using ISOPROPYL alcohol on them. I'm not using WINDEX. Please don't do that Although you can use method cleaner on the actual bodies of the smart displays just end the security cameras can use them on the body's not on the optics and so I was looking at the chromebook and it's the pixelbook. It's so his not worn out. Well I KINDA WANNA do like a photo shoot just to show how grimy it's gotten but the thing that's holding me back because I don't want to gross people who'd but it's a really bad I mean think about it. It's years of going with me everywhere including personal trips where. I've taken a laptop right. It's years of meat eating around it. You know I have years of me. Maybe after a workout like went on there. And that little pad you know using it a couple times a day that little pad was getting all the oils for my body and so now it's like yellow would also has that indentation from where you've a recipe your wrists kind of like a risk because I don't know what's under them and because of the one of those chocolate keyboards. I can't easily replace the keys. Take them off and replaced them as a mechanical keyboard clean under them and so right now I am doing research on how to clean it because I have no idea how to clean a laptop like you could surface clean it but you if you want to do a deep clean richest thing you could do to a PC go inside the case with the vacuum You know in an error can and just kinda like get those just bunnies out with mechanical keyboard. You can take it apart like clean it I have no idea how to clean. Laptop that you take with you everywhere and the. Pixel book is to the point where? I'm afraid the next time. When when this is all over as we say that will be out of our houses will be going to invent and somebody will look over and thinking their heads. Gross like I don't know I I don't know how to clean it so that's I will let you know if I figure anything out that number one. What are you doing going to a conference for? People who like are not interested in minding their own. Darn Business Judgmental Con Twenty twenty. Okay clearly andy. This is me talking to myself. True so right. This is the internal conversation being told as an external and the other thing is that I. I think I do have somewhere picture that I took of the last time that I had a MAC booker powerbook where you could actually pull the key caps off and cleaner beneath them. And I. I don't have handy but I remember like what those photos look like. And if there's anything. I took away from that last experience. It's that the underside of your key. Caps it's like the Ark of the Covenant Covenant Known Mortal Men or women was meant to look inside. They're just let evil remain. I know it. It's I mean who knows like okay I wanNA gross people out for a content warning so that way you could switch over if you need to think about like all the bugs and ants. That could be under there you know. 'cause they get curious and you know food particles things like that. It's anyway I have taken this maybe too far now now. We're talking about food particles but when you put that mention of the Pixel Book in the dock today it just made me think about God. That's the thing that I've been really self conscious about is how disgusting. How mine has worn over time. It's a it's a white notebook and there was a time. I don't have a white card. Well there's Well Okay. There was a time. There was a time last year. I had the same situation that you were in where it's like. Oh this looks grimy and grammy and actually cleaned up really nice with just with like some alcohol and like with like regular like non-destructive cleaners. I was even like The rubber wrist rest which and I will make. I will make a point that the there's a reason why I've saved like every Mac Book and powerbook that I've ever owned because I kind of I kind of like the the the the the years and years and years of reviews and columns and news items. They're they're they've they've gone to the land of ghosts and wins. They were probably backed up somewhere. Author of no use to anybody. But however if I'm GONNA leave behind a sign of exactly how much work and dedication I put into Mike. My my vocation. It's the fact that my God all these key caps have been polished to a mirror. Bright Finish just with just with his fingerprints. Oh yeah that's the see now that I buy individual mechanical keys. This is the thing that I look for is will this where over time like what is this made with. And that's because of the material that they've been using her for keys. You know they hold that shine all that grease and oils from your fingers getting onto the key and just kind of like rubbing that paint away I'm I'm actually very curious. If you're thinking about Edano maybe doing like a mini museum on your wall like I'm just thinking about something cool in modern with different shelves just kind of stack throughout and then having these pieces of tech for you know just to show off and I have to be honest that part of the reason. I'm thinking like this because I've been playing nonstopping animal crossing and do is you. You put out the thing I've collected for people in the old house. I did have like one of the bookshelves was like I did have like all the old Mac Books not necessarily on display but like store together like a retirement community and I haven't found a chef. Talk again talk about like getting getting towards like old put off projects. I'm finally alike now that I've lived here for two or three years You hear you heard the old the old maxim that When you're creating a college campus. You don't the architect the landscaper. They might have an idea of where to put the footpaths but the smart landscaper just put down nothing but like grass than waits a year when they see where there's no we're all the grasping worn down. That's reasonably asphalt. It's taken me. I put up one big set of wall shelves that on a place I thought would be a great place to have a bookcase and a year later realized no that was like the perfect place to hang art and so so now so now that it's been a couple of years I've I've actually ordered like shelves that are like now boxed set up. Excuse me. Boxing arrived and the rights that. I'd have to drill holes because now I know exactly where these shells should go so now I can finally get my laptops and put them back again. Not on display. But sometimes there's it's kind of a totem tattoo. That's what I call it against you writing. I just mean to say it's it's like it's like putting a poster up. It's like any old thing that you would just put up and also you looking at. It reminds you of all that work. You've done the things that you've been doing for a living reminds you that you get to do something you love which you know is always a nice reminder just like wake up that's right. I love doing this. I guess I'll sit down in that chair. Also the way we should we should probably move on but the the other the other important thing about like actually like not having things in boxes and making sure that you do like put up the shelves and make sure you do put things on the shelves. Is that if God forbid like? I'm hit by a bus or whatever like The people who have to come in here and like pack up all my stuff will at least it will at least give them a clue as to now there's like a Fleiss like a a promotional fly swatter from some sort of a trade show but okay well. This wasn't this isn't like the stuff that was like stuffed into like an Amazon box and put it back the this was actually like on a nail in a little shadow box so I have no idea what this meant to him but it meant something to him and so maybe one of his friends or family members will want to have that God knows so I if if I want to make sure that the If I want if I WANNA make sure that the The College Level Calculus Textbook that I have that's been signed by every member monty python including the dead ones like is not oh tactless textbook. That's worthless toss. I have to make sure that it is like an a special place that indicates that Oh okay. There must be reason why he kept that. That's going to be worth money some day by the way. See that's my biggest. My biggest worry is that like I have to. I've told I've told friends about it but I feel as though I haven't done this by feel as though I really need to put some sort of post it or something on the back of it so once again. Can you just put in your well? Sorry sorry everyone to be grim though legalzoom if you're out there and you want to sponsor us about these things but seriously you should. I don't know I think about like for me. Okay we will move in. I promise you we'll talk about Google but I do have a box of all the journals I've written since I was twelve years old since junior high and for me I have put like walks of my writings. Like if you find that there is a story here and I have not written anything. Please feel free. I I do have we will. We will on but I do have like a man on attached to my fridge with a magnet behind like a really cool little promotional poster that have on there because I think it's really cool poster hidden behind that there is like an envelope that has the the the information that anybody who needs to know if I'm incapacitated or dead it's like it's the easiest thing just to tell people the people that need to know that okay. Well there's an envelope behind this thing on my fridge you'll be able to find it immediately. Have any instructions that you need to have but the it's you don't want to Freak People. I don't WanNA freak people out by subtly saying in case that I should pass unexpectedly-high no I know because you do get hit by a bus. I was he was he pushed. Did he jump or was it an accident and it just seems weird. I know now I feel bad talking about those because of like all the bad stuff that's been going on. I'm sorry everyone this is what happens. We can take the bit by saying that it is just like what happened episode. Four or five of the of the tiger king but before before he disappeared. He told us that he changed his will. But that's that's that's if ever I ch- if ever I changed my will I'm going to. It's going to change my will. Then make sure they don't leave the house for two months just to make sure that or fact to tigers just want people to. I don't want people to speculate. I don't want there to be a documentary in which they realize. Hey how many episodes did we make seven crap we? We're supposed to make dammit Wins the deadline ten days. Oh crap a quick little search narrative. Google search everything about every care every person involved. Find anything that we can make into an episode especially BEF- before he disappeared on his trip to quit village. Anybody if any of our fans out there sorry to being conscious of anybody listening out there is particularly a fan of Andy and I like talking randomly about stuff. We do this before the podcast. Who every week. If I'm not like having a particularly bad week wherein the Nitel anti about you know this y stuff socks usually have banner and that really helps the mood of us going into the podcast so if this is something you like let us know because we would love to give you like opponents episode of this where we just talk about like movies and TV because either that or listen to us. 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You know not to say that Google is in such dire need by especially to make a hit in the wearables market. So maybe they said if you okay tell you what I will let you bias for forty billion dollars but you have to read you have to make an android wear version of the Apple. Watch Andy getting out into the world right. Now you're putting something. You're doing this on purpose. You WanNa see manifested that just what you wanted to be proud of a UNLV may manifest. Well it's out there folks. I don't I don't want to like every fall. Think look I phone. And every time I'm thinking about maybe switching back to the IPHONE. Be Thinking Andy. If you get an iphone you can have an Apple Watch. Put Your crystals by the Moon folks. Charge them up. Because Andy is manifesting. I'm studying I'm doing one of those. Like Oprah Winfrey sort of sending out there the secret. I'm going to will this to happen. So actually actually it's. It's pretty cool. So apple and Google have partnered on a really important project. They're partnering up on Contact Tracing Technology That will help a trace. People who have the contacts with you might have had with people who have been diagnosed with test positive for for covert nineteen and I thought this was super super exciting for a lot of reasons for as industry observers. Also the fun part of How I don't know how that phone call starts between. Who does does Apple Approach Google? Does Google approach apple ordinarily? Like if this if this had if something like this had happened a year ago like if there were not quarantining in place I would think maybe at some sort of trade show these executives and these engineer socialized together and they realized that while there is something that we could. We have eaten individually. We've never been able to do that together. Only only we can do. I don't know I wonder how this happened. I'm get I'm guessing. That part of it was that This kind of technology is known to be very very vital weapon in keeping in containing the spread of corona virus that the ability to once someone has tested positive for this to be able to reach out to those who might have been in contact with this person and tell them to please lay low for a couple of weeks. Let because you might be spreading this virus and not know it And the AB- given that we've also as a culture have seemed to volunteered to carry these tracking devices with us at all times and again given given the importance of the potential value of this technology. People have been writing about this researching this for the past couple of months. A lot of the more authoritarian governments have been saying. Well guess what we're going to now require everybody to we're going to create new restrictions and new restrictions on On on privacy to make sure that we can track every single human being so that we can be able to government can find out who with whom and when and where which is deeply scary. It's actually would save. In my case more scary than than a pandemic there is a vaccine potentially for a pandemic virus. There is no vaccine for the desire of the government to grind. It's boot heel. More more more awfully on the neck of the proletariate but so you have a comment about this but I want you to go forward. I want you to continue because it has to do with well when we get to the the concern part of so okay. So let's get. Let's get the facts out. Both apple and Google have both posted. There's a post on the Google blog. another post on the apple. Newsroom site we'll have both cats and they're both they were both written separately so started though the respective like design paradigm. Like in the way that Google does it on their blog and the way the apple does it really. It's so so to to be fair. I will the. I'll give the overall description of it ta. I'm quoting from coding from Apple. Newsroom the apple newsroom says since Cova nineteen can be transmitted through close proximity to affected individuals. Public Health officials have identified contact tracing as a valuable tool to help contain spread. A number of leading public health authorities. Universities and NGOs across the world have been doing important work to develop opt in contact tracing technology to further this cause apple and Google will be launching a comprehensive solution that includes application programming. Interfaces API is an operating system level technology to assist in enabling contact tracing so the basic technology To without getting into the details yet is that An completely anonymous way. This technology on your phone is keeping track of Anonymous Keys that personally will identify other phones and will I it will. It maintains a collection of all of the keys. It is seen via as you move throughout the world and so if One if an owner of one of these phones that your phone has been Close by has been the owner has been diagnosed with a corona virus and a health agency has will Flag this on a central database. Your phone every every day or so downloads. These keys comparison against the keys. They'll say oh you've been close to someone with Corona virus. You Might WanNA contact this organization to get further information So The The non-coding from One of the PDF's on Google site that clarifies How this all works Or rather put certain certain questions and concerns of any giggles personal tracing technology to do to make you feel better at it. says that it's actually bullet less. I explicit user consent is required. So you don't. It's not going to be forced to be forced to use this. At some point. You have to choose to enable this contact tracing technology it doesn't collect personally identifiable information or user location data so it's not broadcasting that do not go here and do not was close to flo- forest ion this is where they were close together this at the time and the date. They were close together. It's simply says that there is an anonymous at my anonymous key detected. The presence of another person's flows are not. Excuse me a person. I don't knows anonymous key and by the way these keys are rotated every fifteen minutes. So it's not as though we're giving assigning people a A trackable tag Third A list of people you've been in contact with against collecting those keys via Bluetooth. That list that you've been caught it with never leaves your phone People who test positive are not identified to other users Google or apple. So you're not going to get the scarlet letter Because you've been diagnosed as positive for corona virus. You've been diagnosed here. Ads were serving you now. Sorry Anyway we notice that you've been kicked you're you're about to be kicked out of your apartment here that's for moving companies and for storage locations at also it will only be used for contact tracing by public health public health authorities and only for cove in nineteen So again this is not an infrastructure for tracking every human on the planet by an oppressive govern government It's once again because all this data is on your phone and anonymous D- it's not being sent on a daily basis to a central server. It really is information. On an anonymous racialist being pushed down to your phone if you choose to have it and it's being controlled by public health authorities the the APPS that control this are going to be run by a health public health organizations And also it doesn't matter if you have an android phone or an iphone works across both and so the they mentioned. Api's this rolling this out in two levels in May they say that they're going to be releasing joint. Api is to make this work so that if health organizations want to create APPs that that make this happen they can create and it will work with any other APP. That's supporting these. Api later on down the road these features are GonNa be rolled into IOS rolled into android Os at the operating system level. So all all these android phones and all these iphones will have this capability out of the factory once again the user will have to enable it. That's probably one of the most. A lot of people have been talking about this for the past few days and the weaknesses of this of this idea. One of them is getting people to go into their phone and download this APP that you're going to need to make this work may or June and then even so when it's part of the operating system to activate and say yes. I do want this to happen. Where getting given that. We're getting pushback against social distancing. They're going to be some people that when you say. Please download this APP or please go into settings and turn this thing on there is going to be some ignorance and push back against that as well We don't have a whole lot of information beyond that. Google has said that The core operating system functionality. For this is going to be released as part of Google play store update so as you know. A lot of the features of the android operating system aren't part of a android ten android eleven a major annual released. There are these system files that are updated through Google play so as a result every phone that that can get updates through the Google play store conceivably will be able to get this these new. Api's honest B.'s new features whereas Apple they've never had a problem forcing everybody to download updates to So it it's interesting. We'LL TALK. We'll talk a little bit about you. Know we'll gathering and beard stroking about this. But what what do you think about this so far? So I have a couple of browser tabs open Just as a couple of things to add on which is part of this idea came from the fact that this worked really well Overseas so this worked in China to help flatten the curve. They the Kinda collected information to find out who had hung out with. Who and use that to kind of help determine where to trace this virus but then you have civil liberties groups like the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Eff and they're pushing back on this and because they're pushing back on this. It's making me feel a little dubious about it because I already feel weird about the idea of contact tracing to me. It's akin to the cameras. They put on stoplights for instance like the license plate readers which in the bay area those are used by a lot of police departments and they're often used to profile people and figure out where they have been. They've hung out with and sort of Trying to incriminate them with that data. I know Andy that you mentioned how they're going to secure this information. How they're gonNA token is it so it can't be immediately traced back to me but then. I think about the new stories that I have read over the years about how data this has been subpoenaed from tech companies. And so it's like well if it comes to a point where like a lawyer has to come in and says. I need to know exactly where this person was at this time. Who is to say that that information is not gonNa be used and maybe it's not going to be used but it's also just. I know I'm going to get some push back from this because it's GonNa be like well flow we're dealing with like a global pandemic so many people have died. How can you not want to help? But that's not what I'm trying to say. I'm just trying to say that while this is great. We need to ensure that when we have Become Immune to this virus which we will because I am optimistic about. This positive is going to happen with all the resources in the world. Is this going to be like a law member? All those Internet bills that we've talked about that were made in the nineties during the Clinton administration and they never got updated and so now they're being loop hold. I don't want that to become of this particular technology. I hope that when we have figured out what's going on with Cove Ed we've you know figure out a way to bottle it and just keep it from spreading that we can look at something like this and not leave the gate open on it In the in software that it's on that's how I feel I agree with you. A hundred percent It's it's it's one of those moments where I am left Struggling with the core problem of being an adult that there's a reason why you save one says that I have. I haven't Bama Person of principles because you have multiple principals not just one and sometimes they're in conflict with each other. Yeah and here's and I will say that up to this point only like a few up until a few weeks ago. Most the stuff that I knew about this kind of contact tracing was the systems that again the good th the the negative way of putting it is that rage governments and regimes that are used to having immense control over their population. The better way of putting it as soon as countries whose society values the stability and safety of the group over sometimes the rights and the potential danger to individuals as the nice way you'd put it And the way that they would do it is an a very brute force. Sort of method and away that You worry that there had been there have been people inside. These governments that for years have been begging for an opportunity to create this sort of infrastructure in which they don't have to slink around and keeping track of every single individual they don't have to rely on loopholes And this is the just the excuse that they need to actually make this happen. Just like In the in when we went through nine eleven There are people who really really wanted to invade Iraq. They really and this was exactly the excuse they needed to do it. And the other similarity the got me. Thinking about Nine eleven is that we had Not just changes. But like entire government agencies tar government bureaucracies that were created for purposes. That seemed like a good idea at the time like the TSA an ice and long after that immediate crisis past the problem that we that the solutions to that problem are now problems in and of themselves. And what I was fearing was that either again. I'm such a Pollyanna I've I I feel as though I have to acknowledge the possibility that everybody is not a jerk but perhaps there well meaning people in the federal government at this. At this time I think that this is the best way to keep everybody safe and make sure that we can get the economy. Going back again. Is To make sure that we can allow people to intermingle safely once again by only can't capitalism. I mean what's the point of society? There is that but there's also it's not as as I've said many times I live in a very touristy neighborhood again literally not literally but basically Times Square for this town and so it's bothers me to see all of these in all these independently owned businesses closed there. There's only there's only one business this entire neighborhood that is not like if you walk into the store or order pizza you're not ordering it from either the owner or the relative of the owner and so the sooner that we can get at also there's going to be a breaking point which people just don't want to be September or October and people just do not want to be able to not be able to go to a bar or go to a movie or go to live theater event and if there's a way at some point we can do so safely like for instance. Let's say that the system that Google and apple coming up with is working really really well that a future iteration of it allows the the infrastructure on this phone or the APP on this phone to create a digital token that says that this person has never as of the download of the database two hours ago. This person has not been in close contact with anybody that's been diagnosed with. Korva nineteen In the past two weeks therefore if you do show up at a bar or at a restaurant you happen and we'll say Yup your. It's okay for this person to be here. They are almost certainly clean. It's worth the risk. That's the sort of stuff that I'm not talking about making sure that McDonald's or the gas stations or the energy companies can continue to make billions and billions of dollars and put their workers at risk. I've talked again. I'm thinking more of independent Organizations that that's the sort of stuff that I think about. I'm wondering what the breaking point of humanity of society is going to be as as it is. It's like a recording on Wednesday and Wednesday is the day. Historically that new comic books come out but within the past couple of weeks and they'll games dying sorry to to each our own freak the and the and the distributor of comic books has decided to stop shipping comic books. There are no longer accepting new comics to be out to the stores because their stores are closed and as a result the key the COMP. Publishers are no longer even though they have stuff that they could published digitally. They're no longer even releasing new comics and I'm going somewhere with this. I'm wondering how many people are GonNa fall out of the habit of buying regular comics? These comics that are the lifeblood of these great movies these great TV shows and some cases these great streaming networks that are being created and so I'm wondering if we if we don't get creative and ways to allow people to get out of their houses safely what habits good or bad are going to go away and never gonNA come back I'm I'm I'm sorry getting back to the point. I'm glad to see apple at this given my concern seeing how this has been done in other countries by governments. I am so glad to see Google and apple doing this. As two of the most powerful technology companies in the world private organizations Also interfacing with private organizations. There is no federal law requiring the stuff to be installed they The government has not a nationalized certain groups within Google or facebook. Saying Guess What. We're we're there because there are there are laws that basically says that we can nationalize your business or weaken. Basically say that. I know that you're you thought that you'd be making on. Moore's right now but guess what you're making tax because we're too right. I'd be I'd be really terrified if it were being done by a company like Google and apple because they can do they can prevent I think a government from being cute because the reason the way that they serve a government will sell. This sort of thing is that we just want to make sure that the way to contain this virus and they contain the human damage and the damage to society is making sure we have social distancing and making sure we have contact tracing and meanwhile the background that saps but it actually but we want to do is to be able to trace every there's an and control their movements and make sure it's like but Apple Google can say oh that's great because we've we have come up with a way of doing that. That will not allow anybody to track anybody for any reason if it works correctly and that is a big if of course On Google side one of the PDF's on the site is essentially the cryptography. The the math and as we all know the only way to make sure that That a secure system secure is to publish it so that people can bang on it So that's that's how I feel about that. I'm not comfortable with it however I do it's the it's now you know it's now April. My own head space is that. I'm not even contemplating that things are going to be anything close to normal until July and don't mean that they'll be normal scanning to get to normal in July. I'm saying that that's the earliest that I'm possibly thinking that I will be able to once again. Go get on commuter rail and go into Boston and do by NPR. Show with with the people I do it with in Boston. I'm thinking that and I have to. I feel so have to have the mindset of it could be months after that it could be a or could not happen until we have a vaccine against us and the ability of technology to perhaps mitigate that to say that we are now over the bad hump of this. We now are in the business of making sure. It doesn't resurge. We can't get rid of it yet but we have to make sure it's worth thinking about and it's worth trying and I have faith in Google and apple to run this correctly. I also have faith in the Non Idiots who work and work insecurity to be hammering on this really hard to find any weakness that could be exploited Although again my hopes aren't high let just like you said all the times we've talked about. We've we've talked about issues in which oh so. It turns out that there was one contractor. Who thought that? Hey it's really too much work for us to keep decrypt these keys. We're going to include a. We're going to add in the subroutine that just puts everything in plain text so that we we have to do maintenance don't have to actually odier that was bad We should we should move on the other. The last thing is that I do want to know how much discussion went into that logo. Because it is if you haven't seen it as the apple logo and then a vertical bar and then the Google logo in black and white and it's like super perfectly aligned. I mean it is the most meticulously aligned. Typography I've ever seen in my life I feel like you know I don't want to say it was. I don't. I don't WanNa pick teams. I don't WanNa you know. Where did you the whole apple versus android things? So you know I I. I'm I could definitely see this being a ten second discussion because they both realize how important this is. And maybe there's maybe flipped a coin whether it's at actually I do think that as a designed object. A graphical logo followed by a word of text. Scans better than a Google and then the apple logo. But it's at I would like to know. Did they. Did they do rock paper scissors for it did they? Did it just show up on like in some sort of like powerpoint slide and then like google the Google representatives didn't WanNa create a stir by saying? Excuse me did we vote on this. I don't recall voting on that. I'm just I'm also just thinking precedence down the line you know the world. The world is getting scarier and Fox. So you want companies to be able to come together and you know help out humanity in a time of crisis so. Kudos to whoever's idea it was to get this going forward and you know. Please please keep doing things that are and also allow your employees unionize Pat. I'm sorry what I'm I'm joking around law but it's it must be very very satisfying to work at Google and work at apple and that you're not you're not the the eighteenth person on the design team that has to support this new. Led Technology on a watch. That's not going to be made for five years. No you are actually doing the save the world from from Corona virus project. That's the that's the that's a phone call that you definitely return right away when when it when it turns up for you and And I'm joking about the logo but isn't it? It's at times like these. It's nice to joke about stuff that they don't actually mean anything. I agree I wholeheartedly agree. we'll be back with with Less world bearings sort of issues right after our second. This episode is brought to you by pendame from solar winds. While you've been listening to this podcast. How would you know if your website had gone down? Would you know if customers CAN CLICK? That buy now button or access your content. You might stumble across the problem by luck. But that's no good. You need a system. You need something until you. 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Then when you sign up use the code material at checkout to get a huge thirty percent off your first invoice thinks opinion from solar winds for their support of this show and relay FM. Well it was joking earlier on about how I just want Google to have like a decent android where watch As we've been talking about Earlier that of course one of the problems is that there that Google is relying on qualcomm to make the chips that power devices and of qualcomm is not down emoji shade of that but there might be some good news that necessarily for where're West but for other things Axios reporting they have a scoop that Google is developing its own. Cpu its own silicon for future phones and longer down the down the line on chromebooks. Now this isn't this is something that you probably would have put money on at some point because it is a logical thing for google to do One of the reasons why. Apple's mobile devices are so amazing is that years ago. They started creating going rejecting off the shelf. Cpu's and designing silicon that is tailor-made to work specifically with this device specifically for the software and the artificial intelligence. That apple wants to support as one of the reasons why they've been leaving Android Google and the dust in its devices also that Google has very very notably been hiring away. Cpu designers from From apple and from From qualcomm so we knew this was happening. But this is the first axios has the first part I names and dates. I'm quoting access. The chip code-named White Chapel. That's a suspicious name was looking for. I was just mostly history. May Oh boy. I didn't think about that. See I was thinking about like White Chapel steeple marriage. I was trying to look for some meaning. If the AC axios who says they've they have a source was giving them the information? It's one word White Chapel Say this chipped code in White Chapel was designed in cooperation with Samsung who state of the art five nanometer technology would be used to manufacture the chips according to a source familiar with Google effort. Samsung has also many manufactured. Apple's iphone chips as well as its own ex knows processors They also say that Google has In recent weeks perceived as I working versions of the chips They're expired expected to power pixel phone until next year and as far as chromebooks that could be further off from that Has An eight core arm processor else includes hardware optimized specifically for Google's machine learning technology? They say a portion of silicon will also be dedicated to improve the performance and always on capabilities of the Google Assistant. So this is this has got to be a big thumb in the eye for or other finger in the eye to qualcomm It's a huge vote of no confidence. I would say yeah I mean but why would they have any confidence? They've tried to sell watches. Whatever android wear watches for years with those chips inside and every time it was just like one disappointing review after another and just people complaining like the battery. Life was not long like this is not what I wanted to watch and apples. Just been zooming forward with its threat. Watches I mean. I'm wearing a Samsung. Watch like this it. Samsung makes its own processor. for these watches and it's great. You is another story but we're not talking about that I was wondering if this would be a symbiotic relationship liquor free would be. Samsung would be getting any. You know anything from this but I'm realizing no because Samsung is a big manufacturer of components. Yeah I mean they make displays for. Everybody buys displays. Everybody buys this from them and not from them That's how they also make their money. So it makes sense that Google go to Samsung and say can't hey. Can you cut us a deal? Can we make some silicone in your factories You know maybe we'll be kind of like we'll we'll give you we'll figure something out down the line With our Android we visited your Oetzi page. You're you're Oetzi shop and you make some really cool crocheted power hour power deliberates. Cpa's there could you make like one point. Eight million of them to our specification. We'll give you a free add to you. Don't have to put the googly eyes on IT I. We don't want the Google version of it as funny as the googly eyes. Cpu's are but yeah. It's it's that's excellent. That's an excellent excellent news for anybody who feels an attachment to To Pixel hardware that They've Google has done a really good job of making the pixels competitive with iphones. But my goodness the performance of I've of Iowa's hardware is just on Godly. And their ability to they just just today. They announced the Rumored iphone Se for three hundred ninety nine dollars and of course they cut lots and lots of corners to get it down to that price range but they essentially were able to give it the same CPU as the iphone eleven. So it's imagined to like a Toyota Corolla but it has like the power train engine of flexible. The fifth car metaphor that has been made today in relation to this iphone. By the way. I'm sorry no no. It's not bad so a so a I'm a car persson so I completely understand these metaphors. I just think it's hilarious. How different people from different circles of my life have like us the same metaphor? That's all I just wanted to make an observation that you know. That's the metaphor. Sorry I'll I'll try. I'll find a better metaphor. Used it because it it's the best. That's the best most user friendly way to to Sh- show how this iphone exists in general you know Smartphone world. It's true it also helps me not to have to think very hard yet. So it's making I mean okay. So back to the processor thing is so. I'm the there were there was also discussion today. About how this would help. Make the pixels cheaper because as we saw from one plus yesterday that the more you add things to sort of like acquiesce. You're using public. The more the price goes up for that. You know people were complaining like I want this processing power. I want this ability But if you're paying just one silicone manufacturer for that like they. They can up the price on it right. I mean if they're the only ones making these ships for phone manufacturers. I Imagine Samsung also. They were just drooling over this opportunity to sort of put out be known for the processor in the Google phone. I mean like that's just that's just great marketing. Also it's it's a nice beat down for qualcomm particularly given that Qualcomm is trying to tie up of five g technology by creating a class of chips where the five five G. Modems built into the CPU. You have to and they're not making you a version of it that does not have the five G. Modem and so guess what now you have to buy licensing for it and now you have to make sure that is now. It is the standard that will make everything work together and sew Samsung Ninian Ninian. We're making our own phone chips for ourselves and for everyone. Everybody forgets about this exciting part. Maybe it's just exciting to me because my dad worked In Zoltan Valley in the nineties like making chips. So I and I've gone into a clean room and like I grew up going into you know taking trips with my dad to work and just like falling in love with the physicality of all this stuff and so thinking about it in those terms and just got. How much power do you wield when you can say? I'M GONNA put this chip this five G. Chip Antenna whatever inside this chip. And so you have to pay me for it. It's like you can with the car metaphors. It's like when you buy a luxury car. And they're like sorry. This car costs this much. Even though it's the same engine that we put in this story OTA but you're paying for all the nice features of the Lexus. The leather interior and These abilities that it can do and these special lights so I don't know it's Oh we have will at least have. The lawsuits look forward to fat. That's about the bare minimum. Lots exactly lawsuits are in a central business. Everyone so don't don't even don't even say that we could use right now because anything to get our minds off of what's going on right like true true courtroom drama. I'm just thinking about all all the time I spend every week. Some some weeks just doing nothing but reading legal papers and trying to understand them so. I can say this bill. Is this a thing or is this thing like oh while this is not a thing but it could become a thing so I have to understand booth things. Let's go let's go back. Let's finish off. I finishing where restarted chromebooks. Really good news. I thought that came out of a report from a chrome on box. Dot Com They have a one of their readers. Call their attention to the fact that they tried to install. They went to the play store on their chromebook. Tried to install the twitter APP and without asking for it. It didn't download the android twitter APP at actually just installed I install the progressive web APP instead and be which is probably the most appropriate version of twitter to put onto a chromebook And because it runs really really fast. It's has very very low load. A Google Really Really Likes Progressive Web APPs and keeps trying to encourage developers to. Don't just assume that you have to write an android APP. Don't just assume you should write a standard webpage and that really is the only the only thing that was confusing me when I started using chromebook is not knowing what I need to download like There because now there are four ways you can get an APP for a for a chromebook. One is to go to the. Just hit a webpage go to twitter DOT COM. And Are you just using the web page that you can go to the play store and download the twitter APP and running an ANDROID APP? That also works. They have a progressive web APP. Which only been really familiar with using Google photos. Where at bookmark? Do you WanNa save this as an APP. Why sure And then if you have Lennox installed now you can also like install a lennox APP if you want to instead so the idea of it not even asking you what you want but giving you what is probably the best solution for your device is a very very streamlined. And simplifying thing for Chrome Os users and also it will probably help to create much more stable chromebooks because the the idea of not having actual active android APPS. If you don't need them that are always running in the background. I realize the Progressive Web APPs can do nearly everything that that A DESKTOP APP can do but nonetheless. There's a lot more overhead With ANDROID APPS Yeah I. I'm certain that the reason one of the reasons why I was able to put away my chromebook and waking up after a month and the even though they would I didn't put into airplane mode or anything if I were using ANDROID APPS on it. I'm sure that something was trying to would be trying to access wifi every now and then just to contact the mothership And would just drain the battery down. They actually we should mention their story here. Of course the link is going to be in the show notes. But here's how they alerted by reader. We were made aware that the twitter Apple Google playstore defaults to install the twitter. Pwa when you download the APP on the CHROMEBOOK And they're mentioning that. There is no alert no option to choose which APP you'd prefer the place doors simply delivers the Pwa when you click install They mentioned that also seems to be true for the Youtube APP. And because I'm I'm not Ninja Master of Progressive Web APPs Other apps that you may have heard of that also are available as PWA's Keep Pinterest Senio Hulu spotify pocket and there were more and more and more so the idea of all of these being able to be delivered as really low caught. Excuse me low overhead Progressive Web APP and also. Not Having to wonder what you should be doing where you should be getting your software from. I think that's a big leap forward for for Christmas. Yeah I I don't know if I mean I kind of feel like even though I am a I am a. I guess a loyal chrome user. I mean I love crow s I love the ability to be able to just like launch. Whatever APP do whatever I want with it. Honestly that's what brought me to android in the first place Was All of that flexibility. And they build ability to experiment with the way that I could get the operating system to do what I wanted to do. In the way that was best suited for me if that makes sense I don't want to be told how to act something or do something I want to figure it out on my own and implement my own process because that's how I like to use things. Okay and so. That's why I was really drawn to chrome his. I'm like oh I have android APPS. I have chrome APPs have chrome extensions and now we have links APPs which is great but I do agree with you that there is some stability issues with having all of that stuff running concurrently. Because it's like trying to do everything So we're just seeing that chrome os is going to be reined in. I think the way that Google has been raining in Android a little bit. You know because they broke it up and made it easier to to update they all these performance improvements to it. They you know we no longer have to have an APP on their. I mean one would argue that. We never needed a memory killing up to begin with. But we don't have to worry about things like that anymore becomes more and more user friendly and so the more user-friendly chrome becomes unstable. The MORE PEOPLE WANNA use it and don't just think of it as that computer that your child came home with from school I saw on. Your child was issued. Yeah exactly yeah well. This is what they were issued. You've got all this talk. Got Me thinking that I'm still. I've never power washed my my pixelbook and maybe it's time I do so only together like no I started like a Thelma and Louise sort of thing. Now not that drastic. By the way me and my best friend's favorite movie and of course if you haven't seen Thelma and Louise Watch it. You have no excuse not to him. Puckish and shirtless bred pit. Absolutely that was his first movie role he was nineteen and that anyway was he ever nineteen in that. I believe is the overall reaction. Yeah do you want but seriously should we do this together and have it be a bit because I was thinking about this? Because my pixel three. I've never power wash it either. And it's making me like I should just like. Switch the Pixel already because this is like becoming so slow and now having problems with chrome and some thinking you know let's let's blitz pinky. Promise up do that this week and we'll talk. We'll compare notes. Maybe let's let's. Let's get a calendar this week. That's what we should think you promise because I don't know because I remember after back everything and I can't just like just go in and see because Andy. It is my one of my primary computers so maybe for you. It's a secondary for me. I have files on there. That needs to be backed up Ooh Let's okay. This is on the calendar. Wheels are turning we got. That's that's a good idea. We should definitely pursue that Before we go way since you mentioned the Pixel three just a quick note that It's boy the release of the Pixel for a must be super imminent because if you go to the The Google store. You can get really good discounts on the Pixel for both four acceler three hundred dollars off pixel invite it when it first came out anyway. Worst worst advice ever is to buy a pixel like on the day of because it will definitely be a couple of hundred bucks off or black Friday and then they they're like Sam like Samsung phones. Where buy one get one free at some point? You can basically get basically the you'll get one just for parking your car in a in a in a certain but there's also a hundred bucks off the Pixel three a and three excels so that starts at a two hundred ninety nine dollars now and so there might be look. I'm looking forward to seeing with four as all about but if people are dumping if people are dumping three as of lot of refurbish turn up. Which is what often happens. When a product is about is about discontinued or is just been discontinued. If a three A. I'm I'm I still have not bought a pixel for yet which means I'm still using my pixel one like with my seminar but I found a three a for like a three. Xl for two hundred ninety nine and a three xl with like one hundred twenty gigs of storage for that might value having all that storage and also four or five hundred dollars in my pocket over having the latest and the greatest. Who knows. I really. I'm waiting for that pixelbook. Goede drop price my five one. Because I don't want the m three sorry sorry to that one. We forgot to get an m three. You May as well go for like a Samsung or Adele. Or A or thinkpad. I really I mean I'm waiting for that. I five the lower storage tier to go down to the m three six six fifty. I'll do six fifty for that. I don't problems that I've got too many like high profile things that I kind of think I need to buy in the next year because I need I need okay. Also the child. Yeah Yeah Oh God. She's costs money. I'm still paying off medical bills. It's like they keep sending a new one. It's like it's like it's like I don't know what I'm trying to think of just something that keeps coming back around. It's like Oh let's get the veil today. Oh another bill. Now we're GONNA pay for this little thing that happened if I were you. I would just use my new parenting skill. My new mom or dad voice and call them right back up and said that well. It seems as though you're asking for fourteen hundred dollars well. I just gave you twenty three hundred dollars a month ago now. I don't know what you've been doing with this money but I am not a bank young Mr and I'd love. I think we need to get together and help you to learn how to budget your money so that you don't come hand in hat asking me for fourteen hundred dollars every month. Wish no but it really is like that Andy. It'll be like. Hey twelve hundred. Hey eight hundred for this procedure. Hey by the way this little member of this little pill that we gave you felt bad. 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AWTY 119 - Heaven Succ (Ride Your Wave)

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AWTY 119 - Heaven Succ (Ride Your Wave)

"King burn up guy Hello and welcome to our reap there yet and exploration education anime. I'm you're an idiot. Patrick dugan. I'm an anime expert. De hollander and berlin color anime kelly slater's pro surfer on the ps two Ride those waves. Mash them triangles. I don't know anything else about surfing. Okay i was waiting for a rocket. Power reference janis nami. But i feel like i talk about disney channel movies too much on my own personal life. Been on a real. Don't match it. Let's go for the real nugget this obscure. Ps two game. Three people still have this sale. I mean you know. I don't pick stuff that's coherent or that. A lot of people know about it. So yeah they know when you're like yeah. In my brain i have all these coherent or the wrong. Actively choose the mo for incoherent one in our personalized. We talked about rocket power too much with tito and raymond. The perfect shared a love affair. That inspired us all one for the soul that was. My spark spark is shipping from nickelodeon cartoons. No not random characters not find yes. That's true the true one sticks stictly face creation. Hey it's another evening recording. I don't know what's happening. We're already losing. What's what's going on this week. Let me tell you this week. We're watching a movie. We're watching one. That was directed by masaaki yuasa. Who is a creator of ping-pong. The animation called ride your wave. And i've been pretty excited to watch it. I heard about it a while ago. Like it was higher up on our list than i thought it would be meaning. I've been adding anime for a while. Yeah i heard about it a while ago. And i've been eager to give it a go since i love ping pong so much interesting if nothing else. It's going to be pretty. yeah true. that brendan is this. Do you know anything about this. Nah i ain't nothing on this one so sweet so yeah going. In pretty blind but we. We have good expectations. I'm very pasty. White irish nerd. I don't totally beach. And i don't know things about the beach. I may be from southern california born and raised. But i hate the beach then. I guess i'm the expert this week. Each boy dugan over here i'm. I'm i'm the bt est of the three. So i can tell you one it sucks. Don't go three. Fuck every what i'm saying. Those are two different. Which of course. But i have pretty bad experiences when i go hi. It's not great. I grow to the jersey shore so you can imagine i mostly just don't like sand and there's a lot of that vit course it gets everywhere gets everywhere and then the worst part about it is that like. I lived like two hours from the beach. So anytime you go to the beach you then have to sit in your nasty sunburnt san mateo self for two hours away home. Yep yep the best time i had was when i stayed at a beach house for my grandma's eightieth birthday. 'cause we could just walk back to the house and take a shower right away nice. Yeah that was great for being such a renowned activity. There's no other thing that you need to immediately like brush off and just like immediately removing all of the environment off of you to continue living peacefully. Yeah that being said. I like the idea of a movie. I'm like hell. Yeah of course the beach. This is why we talking about anime because in real life. it's sucks ideally cartoon former. That's great everything applies. Then i think my best time at the beach is i went with some friends and my dad went to the beach. There was a tropical storm warning so he couldn't leave the house so we watched scary movie three like eight times in a row because it's on channel. I got that movie memorize and it's garbage. Well so right up your alley for having member. It's incredible well. We should on the beach enough. Yeah let's let's go to this idealized version of about the shape water and my head's not in it today. I'm sorry enemy tomorrow. Anime del toro. Some fish man. I want saw doug jones at a coffee shop that i worked at. Oh i think i scared him. I didn't wanna be to revenge. I didn't want to be too excited. So then i think i wasn't good enough at hiding. It came out. I tried not to. I assume that's what you meant but my mind immediately went you hiding behind their town or like a wall and interest. Gotcha anyway that. But it. So as i watched this i had my ocean incense lit so that felt appropriate and we open on the ocean. Our main character is there. She's very happy to be there. It looks like she just moved there. She's got a bunch of boxes but there's no time for unpacking time to surf so she rides her bike down to the beach and then as she's doing that we see a shot of some dudes there on a roof looking out to the ocean and they see her and one of them. He has dark hair. He says that she saved his life. And that's it. We don't get to know much more about that later. And we okay fully must up apart when i was watching same. Yeah i will say. I watched this subtitled. The subtitles were not helpful. Sporadic lizzy asian purposes. Because there is some of it was just like a poor grammar and some of it was just like so like into like japanese thing of like. Oh you're from here so you pronounce my name like this and like i have no context A lot of texts wasn't translated. So i barely caught up. At least when. I was taking minutes trouble with it. But okay this is also from the person who will only watch subtitles when it's the only option and he starts like coming along with the song and that just made my hartfield warm. I liked that and then we see her trying to make herself only rice later on in the day. She's not very good at it and then she sits to eat her of boxes. Start to fall down. Claustrophobia was kicking and real hard and her mom calls her and we find out that she's there for university. I should say her name. What's her name. He nocco yes okay. He and she's there for university and we never find out what her program is but her mom is like i hope you stick with it. And she's like i will. I love the ocean so might be like marine biology or something. We don't really know. Then we see the f- the boys there. Firefighters firefighter boys and their training. One of them loses grip on the hose. And it's the other boy we saw earlier. Who is blonde. I forget his name already. 'cause i rose names later on. Assad dhabi averted done by the end of the movie the whole time. I was just like this guy's friend. This guy's friend disgust. I guess he matters. Now that i have the right is actual name out. Yeah they call him musabe so she's writing by her bike and as she's doing so he loses grip on the hose he she gets all wet too and he runs over and he recognizes her and then she says that she's lost. She's trying to get back to her apartment And he gives her directions She goes off and he calls her miss hero which is cute but she doesn't really seem to think anything of it and then that night She lives next to a building. That's under construction and from the building. That's under construction. Some hooligans are shooting off fireworks. Which is the dumbest fucking thing. I could possibly think of the my first note was friendly reminder not the fuck fireworks in the city special and use the elevator during a fire. We say that other dry cities in the country that is frequently on fire. We learn miss about fireworks from experience because no one gives a shit anyways. Yeah it's just crazy that they're in a building under construction with feels dangerous enough but then it's right by an apartment where hundreds of people live wild so one goes astray and it lights balcony on fire of course and then the firefighters are on their way and he tells the other guy who we find out. His name is meena toe that his miss hero is in the building. That's on fire and we see her grabbing what she can and then she misses the elevator which is weird. I'm like why are you guys using elevator. Maybe the rules are different in japan. Maybe they don't make. I feel like that's university sydney. And then she goes to the stairs but then she goes up for some reason. It's all over the place. i'm like just download. No reason could have easily been like. Oh there's fire down there just like a quick glimpse down. No no she just immediately goes up no hesitation in their mind like yeah i was gonna say maybe she could have been panicked but it didn't seem like it anyway. The firefighters realized that she's unaccounted for like they're the people in the building they call for some guys to find her and then she calls down from the roof that she needs help and luckily they hear her and then mean auto goes up in like a cherry picker thing to give her and he yes do lightowler. Give other two firefighters. Come to the we're here to save you. And then he comes flirt again on the basket on the ladder and it's just like fuck show off in the background. The building may be on fire but these fucking idiots still send them all. Delighting fireworks not even fleeing the scene of crime. You just don't even care so he brings her down to safety and she thanks him and then he thinks her but doesn't say why he keeps us very vague He knew who she was in the very beginning. Now this kind of re colors the whole movie for me. We'll get there. Yeah but so. He gets scolded for letting her take her stuff in the crane. But he's like don't worry about it. Like i'm glad i could save you and i wanna watch you surf sometime. And then she asks if he would want to try to surf and he seems interested. We see more training. We see that with saab is not very good at being a firefighter yet. And he's like lamenting like being like. Maybe i picked the wrong career. Like i'm really not good at any of this me not toes like you know like it just takes time to get there but you're just starting out it's okay and then he goes to leave and he seemed super happy because he's going on a date boy who they're driving to the beach and she says she's tired because she had to move her stuff from the floor to the second and she says it must be annoying to have to deal with people like the ones who are setting fireworks correct. You know your house burned down for you most true and then. She says that she used to live in the area when she was young and then they moved and she wanted to come back so she decided to go to university here. They talk about their names. I didn't see in the subtitles. I didn't read it so much as accents. i guess they were just talking about And maybe i just not to sound like a total we abhu but maybe i just like understand what they're talking about better because some characters in like the japanese alphabet also mean different things. So they're like talking about how she's talking about how she read his name the first time she saw it. And he's like. Oh no that's not right. So that's what they're talking about. Yeah i've just seen it in stuff before where they discuss like. My name is pronounced this or spelt this way. There's usually a translator note underneath the text as well saying like He's talking about this word. She's talking about this word but when they say My name's manado or was it. She was talking about his last name which forget now but he negoti gashi. Negoti is pronounced he nikki. She doesn't work with english. Still just a little like fyi note. It would've helped. Yeah she was just saying that she caught. It was something completely different anyway And then she notices his beluga key chain on his rear view window and they talk about it and then he starts playing some music and they both sing along. And i love. I said someone can explain the actual details. And how of the cassette audio jack converters. It's magic just magic. Yeah that's all it needs to be new. Yeah so they get to the beach and he's already got a board and a wet suit and she's teaching him. How but he's having some trouble and afterward he's trying to catch his breath and he's like. I'm going to try harder next time. And then he makes them coffee on like a little camp stove Freshly ground coffee and then he makes eggs sandwiches delicious real show off new real real hard on this i eight. He's going all out and she says that he's a real hero and he says hey. You can call me by my first name. Because i'm want to do that with you. And she gets all flustered. Who book and then a bird. Swoops down and steals just like ping pong. I was trying to think. What do we watch this happened. I was trying to remember it. That's because they know what it's like to be at a beach. You could have been something that looks like food. But it's not food and they're still like oh. I'm a dumb idiot. I'm going to try to eat that. And then they eat. Some edible sitting died in the worst. I hate that burns and terrible. Grew up probably. My favorite. Animal is the sequel. Yeah just been plagued with their Their buffoonery so the deadliest. It's just the most annoying and inconvenient yes so he gets back into the ocean. He manages to stand up on the surfboard and then they go to a cool coffee shop. It's very fancy. I'm and he's like looking around and he's like. Oh they fire extinguishers cool good for them fire safety and she says that she feels safe with him and he says oh. Yeah i'll always save you first. And then she gets flustered in cleans up and she brings their trae to a little like lift that they have in the cafe for the trades as she just drops it to the first floor wasn't lifted up and she apologizes to the owners. But they're like it's okay happened. We have no safety mechanism to stop it so three times a day and he says that he wants to see her again not necessarily just to surf but to do something new and then maybe get coffee again. And then there's a montage acute little montage of them going on dates and establishing their relationship. My i just love that. The music of this montage is them singing. That song together while we see later he's playing the ukulele. It just feels very real it. It really adds a lot to just like the montage sequence instead of just being like. It's just i'm spending time together like we see them not bar singing that song. That's plenty of old time. Its but my only know was christ on lonely. Find being single. And i see this now you keep shoving down. They're coming back. It's them going on dates and and like taking trips together Joints time with each like i. The nicest thing is that like while they're singing they're like laughing and let's oh my god it's so cute. It wasn't like a perfect take. It was like then. Google kind of having fun with it and it was very cute. Yeah i'm sure they just put them in a room and they were like alright. Play the song man. Just make it natural. And that's what they did and we see them. Hold hands and smooth during a sunset very nice and there's like a quick quick implication of them having sex which was very sweet. I loved it. 'cause like were just like kissing each other and then like each other more deeply and i was like. Oh my god i love. This wasn't just people going into a porta. Potty chica back no it was beautiful beautiful to. It's an a kid rock concert. No you're getting your philly boundary of that better than that now. That's not me anymore. So i i mean i don't know how long this is like it could have been like a year who i don't know maybe less. It seems like months. Yeah it really depends. Because i feel i underestimated this time. And then the rest of the mu movie didn't feel right so to that after the big reveal. Yeah so out of the montage. She's meeting his sister. her name is yoko. she's very sassy she's a teenager. And he compares her to blooming octopus small and full of venom super. Don't fuck indulgence to solve animus. Yeah she calls them stupid and saying love is stupid and he moco is just like. Oh it's okay. Like i can do with your venom. Because i've got a strong immune system ha and there's and then yoga just leaves she's like funky guys. You guys are cute as hell. And i hate you disgusting. And then he tells he nocco that she doesn't have any friends because she's so mean like she's just like that everybody he asks. I don't think so. What does that say about us. Ask yourself so. He asks to be her friend. She's like of course i will And then they see this big public proposal. And she thinks it's sweet but he's like us kind of cheesy and impersonal. Isn't it 'cause like the. It's like an announcer saying it and not like the guy but they go up in this building and they add like this note to like a wall of love hearts with their names on it and she can't spell his name right so she spells it phonetically and then he says what are you gonna do. When it's your last name. And i love shit like that me and engaged person loving romantic shit. Who could believe it. Yeah and then they also do Like a lock thing. You know like that bridge in paris. They do one of those where they lockhart on offense. I realized that there was like a light up thing of like a heart around it with wings and the couples getting in front of it to take like a picture together and there was a huge line for it and cannot now focus and just went in front of the window the had the reflection of it and they stood in front of the actually as on a boy smart smart yeah and then it starts snowing And she says that after after snow there are good waves and then they're like camping outside and he's making rice and it comes out perfectly and she's like how do you do that. And then he makes another one and he's like you want to try to played it. Of course she messes it up. And he's like that's okay and i love the look of rice but i don't even like runny eggs. Yeah if i would like it but it looks so good. Every time i see it. I'm like ooh that looks really good and then they cut it. Opening eggs are still wet and signs. Remind it's gross but it must be good. Japanese people take eggs very seriously. And they're they're holding hands while they eat she's like i always want to feel connected and he's like we should move in together and she's like. I don't know if i want to do that because i feel like. I'm starting to rely on you too much. And i want to find my own calling ride my own wave as it were. Shut down after this because this was the curly of the pizza the movie and she says she wants to be like him and he says like oh you know like i didn't always know what i wanted to do but then i saw some baby turtles hatch on a beach and make it to the ocean and seeing them work. Hard like that when i was so little made me wanna card. So he started doing a post a coastal patrols with his grandpa and then he realized that he wanted to help people send became a fireman and she says that she feels like she's always the one being saved and he says that he will always be there to save her Her safe harbor for the rest of her life what he says and kiss and it's sweet. Do move i love that. That hit me just now. When i was watching it i was like. Oh that's kind of cute. But i was taking notes so you know but now thinking about it's like oh man that's really cute. This guy is so perfect in every way. I'm sure nothing bad happens. I hope nothing unrelated do to unites. Remember the first. Five minutes of i was out love story just so good so our shirts that you can just stop watching apple just you watch that montage from before and then you think about that one. You're like wow just lovely montages publishing love connection between two people you start to care about. And if this was a series like those anime series this would be a mom with a side braided ponytail like yet so dead so many red flags. But let's get there. We'll gather going to apologize now. I wrote the name down all the way. But it's late and they're going to just start getting messy boiling fine cut to nocco working at the flower shop. I guess that's the part time job. She has while university or maybe she graduated. I don't know time no Thinks she's just working working there and manati size. He's gonna go out and surf on his own. And we see. He's trying to get better on his own as a compressor and so we seem getting a lot better. We see him. He'd they say the name at some point of the movie does but it goes up of a wave and flip on half spin like three sixty or something and while he's out surfing we see a bunch of guys. Running around on jesse's being astles the ones with fireworks moral this story. Dopey asshole and now. We see goofing around one. Does he go flip on the jetski and then we just see another one all disappear. We see the jetski fly out in him not on it anymore and turns out. He's drowning so monotonous back on the beach relaxing. Earn like you know shaking off generated. Text to nocco. And here's the drowning as well. Fighting all gotta go out there and save them so it goes out to safety with a surfboard. Goes to see the dude see. Nocco goes to meet with them after work. And she's in her wetsuit and raid the surf supposed to be good waves after the snow. So that's all snowy on the beach and stuff and kinda dreary and as. She approaches the beach which she sees a bunch of emergency vehicles on there. Like butcher like an ambulance unlike. Suv's with emergency lights on them. And we see the divers searching for body affordable raft and we see monotonous board broken in half. Its good side shocking. And once she sees the board she starts passing out there and he starts running it over to a teacher. 'cause through the worst when a character dies and it's not like like he was a firefighter and he didn't die in a fire. There's something like inconsequential unrelated to building. Oilers for the last of us the first one but doesn't his daughter like gets shot like she doesn't even get bit by yambio anything. That always sucks playbay beginning of that game three times in the third time i just started bawling. Sem that's fine. it's a brutal seen. It always hurts when it's like well. I feel like you should have done this way. But this is worse done either way but i feel like i got gypped committee so come to the fire department and we see a bunch of offerings on his desk and we see a sister stopped by talking to everyone at the fire department and thing he didn't make and we cut to hanukkah's her and she's her phone's ringing and she's just kind of ignoring the phone calls and we hear someone knocking at her door. She's kind of ignoring that. She's crawled up in like the field position clearly. Not handling it. Well why would you. It's a very rough period. Thayer and we see his sister and come over and they drop off some of his stuff being like. Hey still lived at this parents but we figured like this is something he would him share together so you might want some of this stuff. And one of them is a giant inflatable. What is a specific dolphin. Finless beluga finless beluga. So it's just like a big inflatable Fella and A sushi sees it while they're talking. She says she moved because she just can't stand looking at the sea anymore because in her apartment shoe is wanted to see the said she can serve now. It's ruined for this rules though. It's a very nice apartment. Shit this is good for flower shop. The part time salary. Yeah and while they're talking asami starts crying while talking about auto and he says that it's so like him die trying to save someone else and hannukah says no. It's my fault. He died because i told him. There's good waves after the snow and his sister stands up and she's like no both stop blaming yourself like he died. We ought to accept that. And get a move like we can't blame ourselves for this and Kinda gets pissy but also makes a valid point. So she's kind of getting annoyed at them and she's like oh by the way. Here's this phone. You could deal with the now. And she and she saw nocco causes phone. She calls this phone yells at him for not being outright. An gets phone calls it. And it goes right to voicemail. 'cause he's dead and she starts yelling at him saying like he promised he would always be with her forever and always be by our side and he's going back on his promise now and then. We cut to another next day or another day meeting with their friends. She kind of blew tour friends earlier in the movie and how they're similar to his sister whether kinda like sharp tongue and we'll cynical lucy her with her friends and they're giving her at the university buying early some food a buyer sandwich and some water as soon as you see both of those coffee. She's both of those reminder their first date and starts getting upset again since she been trying to figure out the passcode to his phone can't get in so they're trying to like give suggestions on. What am i on his birthday birthday. Something special and they can't figure funny that she compared yoko to like these friends when they're nice inclusive Later on they make some like you know deprecating job deprecating jokes or whatever But at this moment unlike yoko they're being very nice. Yeah you should be to your friend after their partner died. Yeah i mean there are also her friend versus just kind of like i have to do with my boyfriend and girlfriend being all lovey-dovey lynch i can also see why she's a little more mean-spirited or sharp-tongued but she's also mean all the time so true she's also just kind of religion they all the time. That's kind of her. She saw a so we after she goes out with their friends. We cut to nocco with just at her name. I forgot it his sister yoko and there aren't the aquarium. And it's a really cool secrets where it's all black. And they're walking around and it's just these pillars of colored light and it's just reflecting the bubbles the fish in the tubes but like the rest of the scenery is black and i really like the shot. So she's talking to his sister just trying to figure. Hey what would be like. You gave me his phone. You know trying to figure some information about you know. Try and cope anyway. Can dijon idea fire safety day. All these weird like to obscure holidays like you know someone like him with no because he's firefighter like obsessive and she's like oh i don't know why don't we meet up with He might. He might have some ideas he might be cool to hang out with we. Just hang out with him. Nothing important so they end up going to the cafe. Which is it was the a former employee of the first cafe. We saw with like the dumb waiter inside and that was like olden wooden and something. This one's pretty much the exact same but modern and like metal and everything so since it was the former employees he recreated it in a different city which is a cool way to reuse the environment but made a little different. Yeah and so they go to the cafe and they talk with sabi and nocco spills coffee thinking about manado and you could. We still having trouble with the death of her partner so his sister tells her to stop being a baby. Kind of just like you gotta face it like. He ain't coming back. It's it sucks. We all hate it but like we gotta accept reality and move on with it. He's like. Hey maybe i could cheer letter to deal with this pace. Like she's having a rough idea dime understandably. I'm glad there really saunder to counter at like the bitter pill reality and like you got to just man up and move on with me look alike. This might of just happened. This might have been a year and a half ago. We understand time in this movie so litter cope and while they're at the cafe. There song comes on the way. They're seeing it before and while they're song. It's playing and agassi's Season in the glass of water and like she reaches al flooring kind of freon spills the water everywhere and yells at tanaka and his sister research on highway with glasses now. Cheam rundown bolts 'cause. She's having a tough time. she just saw. It goes to her boyfriend in her class. And after another knock you trust to see her. China sea yes. She tried to manado in various forms of water. So we see her outlet at a mall or boy friends and he appears like it's raining outside and it's ring on the glass rooftop and she sees him up there but no one else does and just like a pond in the water here and there so she start seeing him more and more and excuse me and she see she starts realizing that. She sees him when she sing their song. So she's out on a bridge went daily over top of a stream and she starts singing the song and a pillar water rises up and she threw his own. Is that what happens. Yeah it catches it. Yes so she throws this because she drops her phone. She's trying to take a picture of him like to prove that she can see him. I think that's right. That's right so she tries to take a picture of him and drops her phone in the water and She starts saying the song and just the water rise up and like a pillar of just an abnormal pillar. It gives a tour. She starts thinking he just wanted to point out even if he did that. Phones ruined that still just watered petrov to one. She starts flying around and making charlotte. Yeah no it's definitely responding to her and get a little more montage of her seeing him more trying to catch she'll other people. There is no one can see him or he always disappears right when they go to look so her friend suggest maybe going back with her family and spending some time there so she's less stressed and as wondering to herself that if he's at ghost and appears in the water because he died in it and this is where all right. Yeah i guess are gonna be all over the place. Because there's a lot of Drops her phone picks. It appears and at home. She talks to manado in a class water and he says he is. He'll always be by your side like he promised whenever he calls She calls for them which is by singing. Their song and tanaka. Pinocchio tells everyone tells them that everyone's doing well and she's like oh. Hey by the way. What's your phones like. Passcode like to get in and he says he he always yeah. Bliss gestures passcode and she wants to know why he went surfing by a hurt himself. Because it's dangerous to do because of exactly what happens like drought. Even if you're the best swimmer swimmer riptide can take you out. And he tells her that practicing and secret so they could surprise or one day and just like you know he wouldn't be holding her back to surf together at the same level skill level. And he's like. Oh you want to know my password. I thought i raise a girlfriend better than someone who would look at someone else. I was like yo. That's what didn't you've raised a girlfriend. That's bad that's nasty words there. I feel like cutesy thing. You're going for but just that choice that yes is just very uncomfortable. Yeah yeah. I feel like at this point to. It's clear the like this is just in her head because like she would have told her his pass code if it was actually his ghost. Oh it's one two three four. That's now here's a reason for it to be all probably like a self deprecation thing of like a good girlfriend a terrible way to say. Oh i was you know. I fell in the river. I wash up. I'll go take a bath. She says run to the bathroom to take a bath and she's all excited thinking about my boyfriend again. We can spend time together. I know how to contact them. And oh i could try. She says his last name like tanaka. No he talks about marriage and stuff and She's like filling up the tub. She gets in it and you know just absent mindedly singing the song and what. She does sure enough. He appears can outbreaks. What are you doing permanent. He's a you. You brought me here like i did this. My favorite trope the the like clearly bringing him into the situation where he had no choice then being like you pair fair odd. It hits so good every time also we had sex he. I know you look so then we see a little bit of a montage of hanukkah going. She like a water bottle so she can carry them around with her all the time and she shown awful. Yeah there's your. They should look everyone's there. She goes like a bookstore is talking to them like a cafe like across the table and during this whole time we see people noticing her and like this. Obviously there at the fire station like oh. She's talking to a water bottle bottle. That's normal no. He's not okay. He's coping well and then she showed him around everywhere and wants back at her place. They fill up the inflatable full water. So the big porpoises full of water and we see manado appear in it and they start dancing around her apartment and this is the image i saw. I saw just a big lake in dolphin fellow with a ghost inside of them for like the promotional image. I don't know what the movie's about. But i'm here and it's like a ghost in an inflatable pool toys. I thought it was a weird like water cryptic shit. I thought it was the shape of water. Come on be a water. Prince or something weird. Let's get weird. I'm sick of passes. We lost its supernatural. I've seen ghost. I've seen the pie scene. It's been done in the rash. Fresh shining land dolphins. All these kids out here horny from our man. I've been making a moth detail Maybe i am or i wasn't prepared for this. So we see them dancing around her apartment and it's very cute and we get a montage of her taken him everywhere in the dolphins soon and it's like on a bus people who were the folks introduce everyone at the city to my dead boyfriend wearing a beluga sue. It's really weird. Like and i'm glad to have the random people looking at her like. Oh this isn't normal and while for a trip while out. She trips like going over a step and manati goes to help her up but he can't because he's in a suit and a stranger that she tripped over his foot helps her up and he's like oh sorry about that. So like are you okay and shutting up a bit and it's like the first time out i realize it's like I'm ghost. I can't really help her like i can't be there for her. This is in a relationship that can sustain itself so we see the mallika beach sunset and he asked he asked about her tripping. Ooh get jealous and start seizing about that. She was talking to a stranger bit and his no is it by one request to the c one more time so i can see a surf. She's like shit. Okay cut to them at the beach. But she's still traumatized she can't bring herself to serve because you know he died at the beach And when i was like Sorry i probably should have realized traumatized you sweetheart. It's less traumatizing for me. Because i'm the one that died. I don't have to deal with russian sissy. i'm still in it. And he says that She he's just wave in the ocean for her and that he'll help her until she didn't learn to ride or her own wave on our own thing good thing thing and we get a sequence of them like dancing underwater like i think back in our apartment. It's the bathtub like water. Leak rises up until like a big floating cube and as she walks in to us so they can dance under wanted together. See sabi go back to the cafe and we see that manado sisters working there and they talk about hanukkah. A bit is i dunno. I think she's still having a rough time. What do you think i should do. And she was like you're talking about other girls to me. Why bother like very clearly upset. Bothered by talking about her nocco. We see he tells her. I've seen around town and like she's not doing great. He's talking to water bottles and has a big inflatable porpoise. We see back to the montage of her around town with them. Heels following her the whole time watching her and zero. Yeah but if i saw my friends ask playable porpoise. Like talking to it in certain. Yeah that'd be like. I want to keep an eye on this. If nothing else just an see what happens and his sister gets mad. And she's like well if you're so obsessed with nocco watch go talk to her directly. If you're so interested in hair good day sir. His okay. I guess i will so. He goes to the flower shop and he returns to the towel. She gave them back when they first met. And she's a girl that was you. I didn't realize it was movie. I thought that was so funny. Yeah it was a great line. And i think that's perfect for her nocco because it's like yeah you're just like arena firefighters director for one day and like she didn't realize who he was until she started hanging out with my monotone more. So it's like yeah. I think that's perfectly reasonable but just who you didn't notice me. I'd been thinking about that moment while you're dating my best friend. And then hide any coping with that this whole time. You haven't thought about mia. No no you don. So my feeling blue sky tim nice guy he goes in the by flowers and she's like oh. What kind of flowers do you want buying for somebody who really likes the ocean. Something like some blue and white flowers. And she's the okay. She's picking bouquet and he starts asking is okay. I saw you around with the water bottle and the inflatable dolphin or porpoise. And are you talking minority. Think he's back are you. Can you saw all that. His agai- little worried and she's like well. I guess he's just take these flowers again on somebody before they dry out and die it. He's just trying to get rid of him. He's actually this view so you can take them and she's like what do you mean just says like am. I not go for you tonight not tonight. I'll be the one. That cheers you up. I've always liked you and it's just fucking bra. What the not the book time and like you. Just so. I see you're carrying around and talking to your dead boyfriend slash my co worker friend I think now is a good time to ask you about this. Freak out of this guy. You are clearly not like this guy's not in the movie offer me. This fucking sucks. But it's like you know this is a really because he's he mostly he's a he's a nice guy genuinely it's just but it's this point where you're just like come on dude no so understandably. She freaks out in the bathroom. Which i think we will do at this moment and she panics. And i started singing. The song disarmament auto. She's talking on the toilet and when your body just confessed to me like daddy likes. What i do is like well. He's kind and he's an earnest guy. He's a hard worker and she says like yeah. That's fine but i'm good with you like your my boyfriend. Still you know you're talking to a toilet right now like you're clearly not fine. And when he says that she looked over at the door and her boss like cracked open the door to here who she was talking to slams. Shut like okay i clearly. I'm fine but like i don't want him you. And he says there are many other waves and not old america but so they're always be farewell but you can always just dime underneath the wave and keep moving forward like do when you're surfing shit. Okay goes back out but he already left such she goes running after. I'm like wait. Hold on i on dark. And we see him just moping a bridge nearby house trump and while he's there he hears a knock running after them and like as he turns he's like oh what's that we're just here a trust truck good brakes screech which you're like. Oh god i can't stop it. Crashes in the car and both immediately on fire. It's like what the fight happens. I thought it was a nocco running across the street. But like she's like how good bit down the road like she's nowhere near it so it's like when app struck and once there's the accident and the truck on fire Your front to her and protects her because then of course the truck explodes as it does with every car. That's on fire ever. Yeah every fender bender immediately explosion instantly a head on collision but brazil. i've really encouraged us burst into flames. So quickly It's an anime with a ghost. I don't talk is over. I draw the line business. My car is on fire. Isn't there chance settle explode because of the gas whatever it'd be the tanks usually in the back the anyway. The truck crashed into a smaller car. Tanaka says like There's so instill in the smaller car like they might die. We should go see them like no. That's too dangerous like we can't go in there and like while they're arguing Just sort singing her song. Someone monaro who the water pill arises from the bridge and puts out the fire on the truck and the small car like they're the fires alec good and we see ambulance show up and pulls on all the small car and they put him on a stretcher and as they pull them out we just see his ghost go up into heaven into the clouds and oh okay so he died but then the pillar walked like because menaka was still there with water he also starts getting sucked up into heaven. Oh go before. He's already that's fucking while. I stood by my own seen by god. I've been fading his grasp for months. It's been a stealth game this whole time. He finally got caught. It does a solid out alert and canal concert. Samoyed going away. I was like oh no. He's he's disappeared to dot except he's gone and you gotta move on no refuses it. She says Savvy says nocco if an desma can never move on basically saying like if you keep thinking about him. He's always going to be the ghost he can't go on to heaven and she freaks out and runs home to talk to manado in the dolphins suit and he appears like she puts the water in but he's really weak but he'll like weekly says our name and part of them got sucked in the hereford. His week he's got the photo point odd. He got the heaven suck the holiest of socks. Jesus pulled me up everything partying. I'm too hung over. We got refundable. That's there he nocco. Please let me leave the blood of christ. It's just wind. I can immediately throw away this relationship but then heaven is way better than anything so she biscuits apologizes for what she's been putting him through. So yeah so she then put the tether is weakened so to say but She goes to visit his sister working at the cafe. She's like professional like please. Don't down about my dead. Brother can normal worse interaction with one shift just one shift and she saying that she decided to keep working at the cafe because it was manawatu dream to open up a cafe like this. So she's gonna do it and Do that for so. She's got a soft spot. Finally away ccable side to this character. One one side the other night so they go to her house. He moco apparently did not go. She was too grief grief-stricken after the funeral to go and like officially a her respects. So she's seeing the house for the first time and She gets to go see. Manach chose untouched room so Goes in just so many books and Weight bench in the middle of it. So he's he's smart but strong. He's got an oh well the whole and then we immediately talk about how he learned to cook so yeah just really like. Hey remiss. Care of his sister. He was create my deborah. So yeah so they start talking about his his work ethic of like a turtle and he had to be strong and Just going into yeah. He got so dedicated to being good and helping people because he was saved by girl From drowning when he was a boy. I could that a sister. Yeah oh real plot twists so i think she sees like a picture of his swimsuit that has like a turtle on it. I don't know there's a lot going on here on turtle imagery yes. But she's struck with like way. That sounds familiar. Wait that sounds familiar and Just like runs yes. She just sprints to her. Mom's house travels takes up. Everyone suggestion of hey did take a break. Go for so. She goes back to her mom's house and starts digging through photo albums and has like. Hey mob weird question high. I know i haven't seen you. Boyfriend died on your. What did i ever save a boy. When i was a little girl. And she's like. Oh yeah we have that newspaper clipping somewhere. So yeah it was. It was heard so we we get the story we get a flashback of She was going out to surf. Fizz like hat fell in the water. Add to the tries. Swim down and start drowning. And she saved them but She had a perp up a purpose. A porpoise a surfboard has a cute little porpoise on it and he had a turtle swimsuit so like yeah imagery in israel but bush's the reason that's his favorite jasper. Sorry ring my doorbell. And jasper's recap gotcha. So she heads back into the town and she's like oh wait. Let me try some the date of me saving. This boy is that that's passcode. that's his phone passcode. That's in hacker voice. So what she sees is an uncensored text that he was writing her. It's the texts. He was writing when he ran in and see their at least try to save the peop- we don't know what happened to the jet skier. He might have died too. Yeah no one really cares. It's fine so you saying that he surfed and while he was out there that morning he he did he did. They will flip do he did. Christ stare nine. Yeah he and that's how he died. The biggest of all is you have to die during the crows dare. Yeah but he's like yeah. I'm gonna stay by your side forever baby until you ride your own way. I'm the one for you. I'm the ideal boyfriend Nothing battle ever happen. I feel great. Cancel my wife insurance so yet She goes in and sees that and on the train back. She looks up like jobs where you save people and this was some of the bit were only. That was the only thing that was translated so think she got like lifeguard trading. I think that was her destination. I dunno yes paramedic or something. Yeah yeah we'll say lifeguard. She's going to take some lifeguarding classes and goes and meets with the instructor who showing around saying like where the line of defense on the beach. That works for surfer like you. You're good swimmer okay. so we see that. The sister meets with savvy on the beach While he's running. Oh another hunk. That just loves to exercise sunset so She ambushes him and his like have have breakfast with me. I know you immediately were running ten seconds ago but now eat food struck down from the white house with a net to so talking about manado and asking why saab you wanted to join the being. A firefighter is like oh. It just seemed cool so admirable easily. Oh i don't have a cool backstory reasonably home protagonist and always the comedic best friend just interview g. My name is was saw. Take that seriously like god. The man so sister is like hey shut up your own fucking life. Don't live and die by my brother he's gone. Be your own person. Also i i love you goodbye and runs away. I do that. She says back to him the like words that he sent to her when she was struggling with school. We did find out that out earlier in the movie where she struggled school and he's the one that talked her back into going to go back to school. And she reiterates what he said back to him to kind of motivate his ass. My brother shadow which was a nice even though they're side characters and they're not the predominance think this is a very short of nice story. Yeah but yeah so cute little moment let's go back to. Those are rebellious firework. Kids there at the cafe openly talking about the crimes. They're gonna commit that now. I'm gonna commit phillies. Can't wait to do fireworks in this. Even bigger abandoned building. No one year listens to us. I can't wait to commit arson and accidental manslaughter. Oh the mind chekhov's after we see at the bottom of it The sisters listening and can hear their plans so she is like oh fuck on. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get these folks catch him so she leaves he nico- comes to visit and she's like not now come with me and trail but the teens you there on the bus following them there. Apparently there's this giant abandoned building that has like a big tree in it. It was like a big nature the the thing and now it's abandoned. The trees is the best idea. Shoot off fireworks inside of a huge building with a dead dr- Dry tree inside. Yeah the fifty foot kindling just ready out. I know there's like a water ghost and all this the most outlandish part of the mood of me. I'm like who would fucking city just less this giant abandoned like grain silo full of pine tree just Ronald knows how long and they're also like yeah. We said a building on fire last year. But who cares. But let's go bigger these specifically say like this one guy ran away because he's a bit is like well the other guy got arrested and the only reason. I'm not arrested. Because i ran away. It's like stopping proud of this. Your astle stopping so loud but yeah so they. They follow them into the building. Hideko makes the extremely rational point of. Hey this isn't our fucking job. Can we call or someone qualified to handle this and sister is like no. We need evidence and not the evidence that there's going to be fireworks coming out of here by the time the police arrive but okay. Yeah what the already trespassing. They've already done the crime. That's that's true also real quick when they're going into the building there's one dude standing outside at the entrance and the to just walk in and he doesn't do anything bad bouncer. I i didn't know what was going on with that. I didn't want to touch it. Just it bothers probably just like a more girls girls come on in but yeah so they of course start lighting off the fireworks and immediately Five so they all skedaddle but oh one of the fireworks shut off in her sister's leg so she can't go anywhere convenient So they a macos like texting with bobby to be like. Hey hey only fireman. I know health fire and and like right after the call comes in that. There's a fire so did it help. Not no she's been texting him all day being like. Hey i i'm seeing these guys who set that fire last year. They're gonna do it again but he just hasn't been looking because you know he's working on lou. Wars a firefighter. We fucking call nine one one got the actual authorities whose job it is to stop this. Now i'm trying to make him fall in love with exactly yes so the fired the department goes and just fucking clowns around for grafton. They're like okay. We're here the front door locked. Let's take the lock. Okay let's go in and oh we don't have water for the her. Let me leave you alone in the fire. Let me go back and figure out what the fuck is up and Of course is in there and like the water. Turns on just like fucking crazies around for a bit and and yeah just just some real buffoonery third act so we we see the she said my notes fucked up a bunch so get past that semi conveying the fuck up so the girls are waiting at the top and they And it goes like ho. I can summon the one power. I have to and start singing the song and meena to a bribes. And he's like. Don't worry. I got this and just takes all the fucking water in the world phillips like maybe ten full stories of this like skyscraper at a time and like moves up and sucks up all the fire and also partially drowns. Some of the people they seem chill with it so it's fine. Don't worry you all let me so anxious to like. See the firefighters with gas masks on being like yeah underwater. It just like i was like oh god. I can't even imagine how claustrophobic that would feel. I mean firefighters suits are pretty lightweight. Right they're not known to be fucking heavy so you can swim in pretty. Oh god i hadn't even thought of that surprising. Just sink to the ground and the waters went past on as it was going up like. Yeah that'd be. Zere built a lot of pressure. Because they're stuck at the bottom of this like a eighteen olympic size swimming pools. Yeah so yeah. The water rises up and gets to the top and the girls in and finally the sister can see him and is like hey. I'm going to save you. I'm going to slowly drift you down the way i came up. Just kidding you're going off the side of this fucking skyscraper so scary also the to face. I love the season. One finale of avatar with the water spirit going on rampage be also has like the kind of like the the like medical like board for what was supposed to be. I've seen it before. They're like lifeguards like at the beach to put a body on like on the water. So toy float. Where did that come from yet. They were like in the building. So that's why. I thought i was like. Maybe it's like. Would that would make sense. But it's shaped specifically like that so i don't know it. Looks like a surfboard. A so yeah. She finally gets to ride her wave. Which is just surfing down the monster of all monster waves just off of this hundred story building so insane. So it's cool though. It may pretty visually stunning. But his and i was on that board. And i look at it a wave and just see the cityscape. And i'm like a hundred floors. I will be passed out and just fallen and drops like i was terrified anyway. I'm just thinking of a minute manado being like. Hey finally have this perfect setup for my surfer gopher ono. My sister wasn't supposed to be here. Fuck fuck because you don't know anything about surfing so just hang on. Just pray to your god is but yeah so Sends finally gut to have nocco writer own wave his purposes completed. And he can. Finally the rest of him can go up to other husband rendered into and he's been an excruciating pain ever. Since the day at the bridge and finally his soul can be laid to rest. But yeah so we times skip. Its finale yeah that of course means it's christmas day so nocco go past her. They just say like lifesaving class. That's that's nothing it. She's a certified safer yes. She's head lifeguard at The beach had a waterpark authorities schlitterbahn. She's moving to texas schlitterbahn so they go out and celebrate with the classic on what dinner for They have to throw an. Oh yeah. They caught those fireworks guys. Cool and Was obvi- and the sister are like officially dating now. So they're doing cutesy stuff. They go to the tower that has He goes and mon. Manatt does lock in it and was like hey we should go up and and this seriously go Yeah okay let's go More quirkiness there so there but yeah It's just nocco standing there alone. She sees a little puddle pond and she sings to it. nothing speak. he's an he's having fun in heaven. And he's in pain ribbon boggs of jesus liz fuck. Yeah the over water. He deals with now is bomb water our ruining this month but yeah so The the i needed you to reiterate that They talked about the announcer at this tower earlier in the first act during the setup because while she's standing there they're a big announcement comes out is like Happy anniversary to he nocco. Ha ha. it's your boyfriend plan something like a year ago. Happy anniversary. of course. She starts crying a puddle. And then we see you're surfing and then the movie and that's it the last week. It was supposed to be a proposal. Yeah but what you would have had the ring. They're ready when she turned around. Yeah yeah maybe. My last night was just fucking. Ooh i forget to imagine. If she wasn't there she wouldn't have had to hear that. It wouldn't have been so upset. I totally forgot about that. So just this random announcement coming out being like girlfriend a year ago. We were here. What is going on. That makes a lot more sense. Rosia wish back to assist with solve the here that announcement interesting. Ooh she goes away. 'cause we can't we can't help. They're just they're just book in it. Yeah for non thing. Don't look back. Don't acknowledge keep a rough stuff. Yeah i kind of like dig that that's like how it ends though that. She's still that she hears that and she's like still upset about it. 'cause that's how grief works. Yeah it's not. Just her being ever get over it. I remember that one close to you dies. yes she's like. I remember them playing dated from. Yeah you see or hear something that reminds you of them. And that's what happens just melt. It's terrible it's a wave it hits you in waves inches like ooh. I forgot about that. Looks like i'm trying today. Yep but yeah. That's the movie movie. Are we feeling we yeah. I'm compromised so i'm going to recuse myself from this section so it's time i will preface that everyone's okay. Everyone's doing great but the recording for this episode was the day after christmas. The christmas where. I learned that my firefighter father from a beach town got so this hit real different from how it was supposed to so we had to. I also want to say that. That wasn't planned. I didn't pick this after. I found out about implant way that would be happy accidents. Ooh a terrible coincidence. More like i'm going to sit this one out because i took this so many different ways that the movie wasn't going for i'm not gonna hold it against the at the end of the movie is dated. Patrick do hit real weird because they didn't know my version. They dubbed in over that announcement. Oh patrick hello. I watching it. I really enjoyed it. I think talking about it. Sounds a little silly just because it takes turns that are silly but like watching it is a different experience and i enjoyed it overall. I thought their relationship was amazing and that they like establish it established it so well just in that montage is really lovely And like i said. I like that. It's like not as the nights writing. Her wave isn't just finding her purpose. It's like riding her. Wave of grief that ebb and flow and i enjoyed it. Yeah enjoyed the how the showed it. Because we've definitely seen enough animate could cover romance very poorly so the fact does don allowance. Oh this is very cute and wholesome believable. You could see them spending so much time together like we see each part of that are rulership growing bit and stuff i did. I did remember because at the end. I forgotten. i was like if he didn't know her and he just like ran tour. This is very if he knew who she was all time and she was the girl that tim teen years ago and he's just been following her this whole time and keeping over discount. Real creepy real fast. I don't think that that is the case. Because she moved away and came back. So i think he was happy to see that she was back and he was like. Now's my chance. Yeah just like if. I saw the draw when i was six. And then you know twenty years later fifteen years later i just hear random girl bike by place of work and i'm like That's the girls. Save people would like also saw her surfing not backing by. But it's just like. I don't know i don't think it's i understand where you're coming from but i also don't think it's as creepy because we also don't know when she moved like he couldn't play school or something. Yeah he could have known who she was or whatever but like i said like i get that but yeah it just. Their relationship is good. It's it doesn't feel creepy to me. No no it's not the intention. But just whenever i know everything about you personally i know nothing about you like that always makes me feel uncomfortable. Yeah no matter like. That's not the case either. Like i feel like he doesn't feel that way i think he's just like she saved me. I really look up to her. And i am in love with her because she saved me so i have a connection to her the porpoise car and the purpose phone and the porpoise charm. It made an impact on him. Yeah yeah it's not like he stalked her. That's that's how i feel about. He didn't know this can just go back and forth forever. But it's definitely curious. So when i realized like He's always known early That kind of changes my perspective on it is still very cute. Wholesome so you can send those recommendations to our email. Are we there yet at g mail dot com or reach out to us on twitter. Instagram are very on. Both you can find me on twitter and instagram. At mr patrick newgen or listened to my other fiction podcast echoed locations. You can find me on instagram. At queen period we abhu and on twitter at queen underscore And queen underscore. We abboud art. You can find me on twitter. Abt s brenton stanford almost silence which is a video game podcast. I also do. Thank you to camille really for artwork and thank you to louis song for theme song stories. You can find olive louise music at luzon dot van camps dot com. Thank you and we hope you'll join us next week as we learn to live with anime avenue between the beach sacks

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MBW 684: It Has a Smell

MacBreak Weekly

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MBW 684: It Has a Smell

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Hello Mr Nocco how are you today I'm well I'm not quite as my lawn has been has been dampened somewhat to that I've been like sort of like in your because Leo's not here there's GonNa be a surface and there's not going to be at least seventeen android phones we'll have to do my part speaking of I don't have a with me but I have started knees that are waiting pretty dog on deep into the appeasement of certain and considers himself a citizen of Hong Kong and hearing the perspectives on those stories and seeing Some of the American company this is Mac break weekly episode number six hundred eighty four recorded Tuesday October twenty second two thousand nine hundred nineteen it has a smell this episode of Max About Iowa's that we're going to get into that as well there's there's so much to talk about so why don't we go ahead and dig into it in fact this is a this ah are from mainland China originally have moved to the United States work here and a friend who has has spent most of his life in Hong Kong who were saying Apple there's some censorship going on here that you're doing with with APPS for the sake of of of the Chinese government teas and the the censorship and things like that that are happening this this is getting interesting and now we've got lawmaker there's a new story that has been sort of front of mind for me recently I've got a I've talked about this a little bit tech news weekly but I've got a couple of friends who mode and to guest mode that's fine I mean it's I'll see I I was I was going to compliment you on your lovely shirt and matching pocket square titians out of it as much as possible because I think they're just GonNa politic and I think the bigger concern for everyone is just how much influence China is able to exert over companies that are not in China and not by going through a regulatory process like in the US or in the EU and I disagree the perspective That I've had of folks who now live in the US but have the perspectives of both mainland China and Hong Kong and where that comes in the influence of America but this is the same government a couple years ago wanted backdoor access into into iphone. So I try to keep the so rene what is what's going on here in terms of lawmakers talking about absence or ship by that the behest of the Chinese and so I wanted to kick this off because I'm curious you know sort of take from within as it were and hearing that a lot of the EU decisions I you know and I think they they are trying to legislate well beyond their borders as well but at least we have the semblance of of some sort of mechanism questions and get answers to them but there's no public policy about what the US what the US government is asking for what the Chinese government is asking for what is the Canary that tells us China is asking for backdoor access like root access or for security keys you know I like to think they're lines that aren't being crossed but how do we know when those that we can participate in and try to influence in China there's none of that we get an article from an anonymous person in a state run newspaper that said and then to see this and see how it runs counter to what I think of a company and the people behind the company that's where it's been kind of bum aside and you heard our feelings and the biggest companies in the world we'll about dance and I think that's hugely concerning and I'm not gonNa completely steal something that the Chinese government that's trying to impose their rules and regulations within their own country and I think global companies have to understand that and they have to do that and this is something that we definitely have zero understanding of I don't own an international company I don't know how that works and how to maintain the different laws and rules within each country Andy NOCCO has been saying for years but a lot of the stuff is like there's some of the stuff is ludicrous it's done in public like being upset at the NBA crates speech and all the things that are involved with that it's just I don't know how you feel about this but when I see a company that you know it's with the companies and things like that where it's been very easy for me to sort of criticize things that I see as as a right to to free you know we we don't quite have Especially this has been one of my concerns to approaching this as an American and from my perspective and not having the inside track these are two confluence of propel apple into the news but underneath that I think are legitimate concerns that we do not have very much insight into like what you did here and so then the American companies apologize for it and change policies and do things differently because of this to me is is where we're seeing the sirven being built and that I think is the danger I think there's a lot of hype because there's so many things happening in the news all at once the NBA Hong Kong and universities and all of this censorship here in the United States that to me is the biggest the biggest thing for us to be afraid of right now it's not whether or not you know an APP is the bigger beast demon than I think any other what they do in their own country we should impose our shouldn't impose our own views on that they are currently imposing. Yeah I am I mean so so laurie it seems like that is is the reasonable approach to things to say that com I think that's very well put that's that these it's sort of being brought to us whether whether we can in an an all US companies that are they have they're having issues with the whole subject what I'm seeing there's two things I there are the easy for me to stand behind and say oh look at the cool things that they're doing here the products that are making that I love but also the things that during for the environment and all these positive things of play a full role in it or not and that's kind of been again my concern with this and we also have Tim Cook old from from the APP store in China because Chinese law says the option be there it's when the Chinese government comes into the US and says you know we don't how many signs we have that apple is willing to do whatever it needs to do in order to keep its Chinese market happy they they are not business doing that is up to debate I don't see it as particularly harmful however it also underscores how for me it underscores how much bounces or it's revealed that he's serving as chairman at this business school or is this like a piece man I mean is this part of the appeasement no I would assume that this has been done sort of just effect it's it's theater it's ridiculous but it makes you wonder what's going on behind the scenes and there are things just by virtue of having relationships with people in Apple and I can ask the most frightening thing to come which is censorship in the US because of finance because we're allowing another country to tell us how we should or shouldn't do things and that is demands that only affect how apple products behave within China and within what China believes as its immediate sphere of influence so they can say I know that they're trying to do that. All these countries are trying to do that but where I see the fear coming in and I've said this before it's win the Chinese government is now trying to impose CEO of a company this is something that this organization brings in CEO's for two or three year terms to To advise to advise these occasional tractor the APP that is so offensive that is designed to be so offensive to everyone in China to remind us of the terrible terrible history that has happened good what happens when China's what happens if the Chinese government says that we are really really upsets us that you have the you have the news on us right now by making these companies apologize for things that have been done or said against the Chinese government or in in support of it Wiki can't have any VPN APPS with that work with in the Chinese APP store and because they believe that their territories of their territories they can also for me do you do you feel that what are your thoughts there so yes so I think of this what's happening currently with Hong Kong in with the Chinese government on a global on a global stage I'll just mind this up by saying that there is no more powerful tool for government to clamp the irons tighter on its citizens has to be installed pre installed on every phone you ship in our territory and that's when that's when every single person gets tracked or their their global business or is this sort of it was just kind of a at the wrong time That the Tim Cook Right now you can get the voice of Tibet APP which is which obviously China is going to have absolutely no part of and they would probably love to eradicate it would degree even far far beyond the ratio of security camera of a video cameras to citizens and places like Shenzhen this is they we know down we feel or are they gonna are they going to point to oh well we feel as though this is political speech and we say right here in our developer agreement I again everybody we the phone that they voluntarily putting their pockets every single day and all they have to all the government has to do is simply say we need to have the surveillance APP that's that's created by the government that I'm curious Andy you are a full on journalists and have that perspective and I I'm want well I want to ask you like is this a matter of companies in the United States looking at optics and trying to do the right thing it's a bit of a of an interesting tie in here Tim Cook serving as the chairman at a Chinese Business School so with this with this province and so we we would wonder why you would want to instigate us by having this APP available to so many billions of iphone users worldwide. We're not making a decision here our hands are tied we're using this is just developer guidelines that we're we make everybody stick to whether it helps us preserve what happens when that when that email happens when that editorial happens in a Communist newspaper in China does apple say you're right we're sorry we're going to take that make sure the students are getting a global understanding of what the business markets are like whether that's whether Tim has any real that we know what their playbook is particularly in China particularly if you are a Muslim in China and you wonder if this is just practice for softening up the entire the A- and you're not gonNA have a Taiwanese flag appear in Emoji in these other two regions of the world the problem happens when the there if you go into the APP store new iphone launches can't do it right now really honored to be at but that was just like it was just his turn out of all the CEO's that are on that list the other thing is that the relentless pursuit of engagement and I've said before my worry is that engagement eventually becomes appeasement but there's there are so many things going on that stage that China again super obvious one but we've seen back-door legislation passed in Australia France is asking for the same kind of data localization that China's asking for we were permissions all the way down to the metal for everything we want to do with this phone we just I just want some assurance that while they're saying well while Tim is saying all these positive things about thirty billion dollar market or not this is this is what worries me and I just I don't that the clock is running out for apple to make really really clear of what their role is what's happening that's I mean that's been my biggest concern with all of this is once you start making these changes where does it to me it's not a China issue it's if apple is willing to fight over over backdoor access in the US that's GonNa be global and if they're willing to withhold security key police were last seen and the APP was criticized by the Chinese government for enabling violent protests the the entire citizenry for xp for expecting that you are going to have to be approved how trustworthy you are and how harmonious your gene cook you know try to engage with the trump administration in a in a song and dance that might just be every bit as nimble as with with some of the Chinese authorities he has be with the rest of our society here and if you are then of course being give you extra benefits if you're not we're going to have to well we can't trust you we can't trust you that's the sort of stuff all making a device that has encryption that doesn't allow police to be able to get into protesters phone does that mean that they're complaining how the the the saving grace for apple has been that every time that the Chinese government the Chinese Communist Party has made a demand of apple they have made not giving outward signs of what they're willing to do to honk off China if they feel as though there's a line that they don't want to cross anymore I mean we're talking about for he's from France and China that's got global because eventually everyone or places we don't even think about right now are going to ask for that and I'm old enough to remember when blackberry installed squid off that could really really easily be happened just by simply having a leader saying by the way here's the official APP is GonNa have it on every single phone and by the way apple it is it's the quote yeah I mean I think it's important to know obviously it weighs in because apples in American company and it has to do business under the regulatory being a global presence and being having good for everybody and also the being good to our partners in China that they are going to be good corporate citizens and servers for Singapore and a bunch of other countries so that they could eavesdrop on everybody's ABM messages and blackberry didn't leave the market they just did it so all the feature that they bought ways the ways apple a few years ago there finally adding one of its most useful features which is oh by the way Johnny Law is about two miles up serves as as the sort of party line is and they said by apple being a part of that by apple you know drunk drivers we'll be able to avoid checkpoints and the making really weird arguments about oh well they know the cops are there they're going to ambush the cops and stuff like that but now a because of the current sensitivity a lot of stuff that would just be normal course of business is getting amplified like I believe that university has a ton of SEO's on it and they all this this is just the wrong time that had happened it's as what I understand is that it's not like being named like it's not like being named CEO to the Board of a company's not being off all this stuff keeps happening and I agree with you completely we need white papers to describe the technology and then we need clear guidance on the policies otherwise we'll never glad that you took down Chinese apt to protect Chinese people from these lawbreakers won't you do the same thing for us in America and take down the ways by the way every single other phone maker that wants to wants to have an APP store within our country you have to be able to have we don't care what your APP development guidelines are we have to have continue to go because speaking specifically to something that Andy had mentioned earlier one of the there was an APP that helps protesters and Hong Kong track where do but at least we know that they're not hiding behind ona we we we know that these millions of people are just disappearing but oh gosh you know as we do here's why we made this decision in this case and it's sometimes you really do have to be honest about why you a trillion dollar business have to do things that writing this APP store that happened to have this happen it then maybe the maybe the company was complacent with violence and so that that that turns being chairman if I was Tim Cook Right now I'd say oh suck burke you can have this next three years six maybe destroy them into does or does it go from there and it's difficult when they this is why really disappoints me when apple again the the there should be version of the apple issue is important to us but it is not that important to us that we're willing to act upon it to to interfere with this particular action so sequence in their names but again we're just complying with local laws. Gosh which we could do something about that you can because you can decide not like Tony Stark you as an individual not a billionaire individual but still as an individual may or may not agree with so which is not say that I'm still going to agree with what they did you can decide to no longer manufacturer weaponry that's always your choice to do you if you're not going to do if you're not gonNA do that if you're not gonNA fight this fight it's okay for you to say that the they store you don't get Google maps which is why there's some of their biggest competitors worldwide are now the services that sprung up in the absence of Google and I think that that might now do we have do we have precedent there has anyone ever said that you know I yes this is a problem but it's not enough of a problem that were look at that where are we we have guidelines and we we have no choice but to take this app down because then talked about bad timing Google finally added the up the road there so you might WanNa check your check your speed and and not be caught in the spe- trip and of course law enforcement is really mad about this because they're saying well this is going to let people the defective antennas on the iphone four it's okay to simply say this is me my own voice we could we're not going to make this as a marketing thing I'm just saying here are the reasons why we do the beating message services and services and cloud services that can be absolutely have the four star rating from From the Communist Party do things you can't do their things that that they don't officially approve of but they're not going to chase after you unless you you cross this line right here so they have the ability to create these ignition or you know it's guilt by association there that guilt whether it's there in the first place at all and that's my concern is like you said then suddenly apple they basically said not because not only were they whereas glare was China asking for hooks into their search engine but also they had recently been caught tampering logo and available only at the key in Cupertino where's it's just risks that are bound with the apple in a nice like a johnny ive sort of handcuffs ooh I think they're tampering with emails and industrial espionage and Google at that time in two thousand eleven okay guess what we're not going to be part we're guess what you don't get the Google search engine you don't get the Google if you were if if you're in a particularly puckish mood and you're concerned about all this you would you would basically want to say oh apple we're we're really just like when just like when Steve Jobs posted a public public letter on on an issue that was important to him I e how while still allowing these allowing these companies to create services for locals and having that knowledge of that market share it makes it even more difficult now for goodwill to get back into there for a message services to get back in there excuse me message message services that have been there forever now they're having such a hard time competing because they don't know we would like to we would like to like not comply with the law that makes makes makes this govern able to track people who have this these this letter it create chaos wherever they step that's my big because there's a good I was Kinda just say there's two things I think that are a couple of things I think are worth elaborating on their one is that on the outs- I mean it's a lot more subtle than than I can possibly understand it's not that oh well gosh those poor Chinese citizens under the yoke of tyranny it's like no there things that you can most people would consider to be ethically questionable you have to own that you have to explain why are making this decision and you also really can't open up your Keno how to work work in the in the specific environment so so but and I also have to say even though I I think that Google should be praised for to make which is to not only turn off the taps of knowing exactly how many billions of dollars they're making every year but also having to sue hugely yep you're gonNA have a long protracted fight with Google over this nothing bad will happen and then see if they say oh well I guess our handcuffs are that tight after all this is simple stuff but but the basic the basic concept I think is very simple there is right there is wrong if you're going to be on the side of something that a few companies are as few companies apple scale are as dependent upon Chinese manufacturing at this point than apple is so I I'm not I'm not suggesting that that that choice might have influenced what these other companies are doing because you're gonNA have to fight with these locally homegrown apps these homegrown services that were you're not gonna WanNa miss this because we also play games and I wear a watch on my a necktie it's wild check it out nineteen if they if they had if they had the success of the of the Google Services and store and search engines and they were had ted to face the sort of decision that apple has SORTA Shimmy out of them because of in this in this land line longitude or whatever and so this is this is what I really wish that they would have just created by Chinese citizens who grew up in the in the infrastructure and the system that they've grown up with they understand they they understand the thank you making apps and continue to give the government their what they want at doesn't seem like something that any company is going to do it we will obviously did it in two thousand eleven making that decision in two thousand eleven because even twenty seven it was understood exactly how big market this was and what they were what they were turning down I'm not so sure that in twenty nine by saying how much you love freedom and isn't too bad that facebook and Google don't Love Freedom and privacy as much as you do because that's again hello hello question at their company and did not being able to manufacture the risks that they're gonNA honk off the government so much that's going to become much much more difficult for them to manufacturer in that country and question I d I have a question that's yeah that's where you throw in that okay let's take a look at that there's a list I I saw this is on read it of all of the American companies that have been making these different concessions totally fair well I think we this is something going to continue to be watching frankly because I think that we are book pro- and so this little icon In comparison to the the standard a fifteen inch macbook pro has some changes to the keyboard maybe of course yes of course the basil's into digging into I wouldn't call this tea leaves per se this is more Unearthing rare treasures died the war on vessels continues I saw an animated image on twitter which is what I call them so that no one can criticize me for my pronunciation of this shifts aren't they chase my bliss which is calling them Jeff's but any point is is this the sixteen inch Max there's there's a whole thing we're going to like I said I think we will continue to see American companies making moves there let's go ahead and move on book pro that Leo is very sad was not announced before he took off on vacation with him on so many guys that he didn't get in time for his it makes a doctor strange movie and suddenly be the ancient one is a white woman now that's not that not that the thirty ad but yeah what what do what does this show that I mean it doesn't show anything first of all there aren't just by looking very closely year old white Jewish guy who wrote the character and the and the sixties was necessarily culturally accurate and sensitive but it's like that's an interesting choice this time we unearth the rare treasure of an icon that allegedly SORTA Kinda looks like it is a sixteen inch vacation is almost like they didn't air properly for his departure or he didn't prepare properly for his departure times and get his Mac book on Time Yeah isn't that it isn't that incredible so that was another thing that didn't know until they compare the jackets of Tom Cruise's character and top gun in the original which has a Taiwanese flag in the back of it and then the I'm sure it was character driven and more or Winnie the Pooh as well when he gets a lot of flack as well so they oh inch chassis new keyboard scissors switches supposedly has an inverted Arrow inverted t arrow you can see a slight indentation of an escapee Mike I don't take that away from me I know how important it is for you to be able to I don't care I don't care if it's a lie it's a beautiful lie same thing that he wore for the for the for the sequel which now does not it's the same jacket but it doesn't and the reason why you have the reason why you have like a marvel yeah hey hey although there no I'm kidding what do we know about this sixteen inch macbook pro what do we know Matt fs we love you to place of safety and love well I'm GonNa have to happen here you don't want to have what they're called until it's released so much free can't tell the arrows an inverted t that I need that as well let's see let's see human hands out it's almost like a reversion of the keyboard with that with a regression on keep going back to keep going forward I'm more modern designs yeah I'm the most interesting thing about that device for me on the rollout is just GonNa be is apple going to comment on a what a new scissor based keyboard comma you babies or are they going to say we have a revolutionary new low pro we were able to take everything that was great about our figure out what the heck is different that's when we won't see any kind of announcement about it and we'll have to wait for you know fix it to tear it down or something like that to find out for sure what kind of but it'd be interesting if they say yes obviously when they entered when they have that that list of features that they've added do they say and we have it to announce the new macbook pro they have to address a different keyboard in there but if they just sort of roll out some press releases and we have to scramble the keyboard mechanism isn't in it because they definitely don't want to you know eat their hats or eat crow or whatever one of those old sayings Super Low profile keyboard and at the tactile field that everybody we feel as though this is the best keyboard that's ever been put in a lot of fine you get us would be a revolutionary change to the keyboard do they feel as they don't need to rip open the flagellate themselves rip open their shirts and where itchy will spiders talking about the changes to the new macbook pro if there is a significant change to the keyboard they can't just not say that that's a big deal it was like the brand new Mac pro and I'm guessing that if we don't like there's no October event but if we don't get even a small event later in the year if it really is handled admitting that they were wrong about the old one which I don't think they would do ever but there is something to be said for what we're doing now with the keyboard is and all you ever wanted was it that every third but no I think that if they're making is they're going to have an event we could we gave you like a keyboard a two inch throw per key and other laptop is of weighs ninety pounds and you're gonNA rush because combination of the butterfly and this mechanism and here's what's great about it this time and and that way they're getting to tell us we've gone back to the original tale when they switched over if we look back at how they handled the Mac pro they didn't like go up on stage with the new Mac pro and say all the problems with the previous Mac pro at the at Apple Park so it's just too bad her butterflies in early it's too bad when I and so that when they talk about this keyboard that can put across the message on the down low that they can't put front and center on an eight K. screen behind them it yes they don't want to but I definitely think they can't avoid it when when they're talking about it in well selected and targeted for their audiences are going to get like NDA briefings in which they do get the entire story from start to finish on background they handled that like two years earlier like a low key three person ted attack in Cupertino lab and that got all that out of the way and then they got to talk about no it's not going to be just a complete back to the original keyboard mechanism they probably done some version of a hybrid and that's how they'll positive is this herbal keyboard that is how many we're gonNA find really hard to type on and it's GonNa cause a lot of them to fail it was here's why we felt so strongly about this radically don't have to beat themselves up they just have to fix the problem and so I'm sure I'm sure they're not going to say they're not there's not going to be a big cardboard coffin which they really I think that apple has a whole bunch of fascinating stories about engineering and design and bring the product market and not bring a product to market two point five eight millimeter key travel keyboard in there that said it's I'm I'm sure that part what they're going to do is that a certain number of people that have been very very it seemed like they can actually fix this keyboard so I'll take the new keyboard and I will not judge it until I've used it because I'm fairly flexible when it comes to keyboards so that'll just be icing on a cake for me kill myself that's that would be ideal for me I actually like I said before I love this keyboard it just it's failure rate is unacceptable and it doesn't fifteen inch macbook pro but if they can get a sixteen inch screen like I'll take the biggest green they can put under vice that I can still carry around for like on a trade show floor for eighteen hours friendly I can't imagine them getting up on stage and talking about that keyboard let alone for half an hour a world where they're up on stage raffner bad allowing around it if if that's if that's the graphic on the invites let's get sent out then we'll know we've got confirmation but yeah I did in just for the civilians they're just buying their products so entertaining to know that this is how they they they don't just simply say hey let's let's let's get everybody mad by giving them whether we should do use this or not I just too bad that none of those stories are coming out or if they come out it's GonNa be ten years after certain people decide to leave apple now renate you working in a enterprise design and it was great but it was so heavy I you know I just left it it was a pseudo desktop and I quickly as I started doing trade shows and having to it's just too bad that you have you would probably just be an apple university inside apple to get those stories there's so much that could be taught so much that people could learn and from my perspective which again I understand is not you know it's my perspective is not everyone's perspective but all I need is just a reliable I said the previous keyboard mechanism without admitting defeat limit up and we precision engineered oh keyboard way back dressing good there I think there's a difference between I think the reliable keyboard is what's important to me and where I understand the complaints that people have they should be able to have a reliable keyboard to us rene that's one of the things that I wanted to talk to you about because this is something that you often bring up and it holds true for me our brains are plastic not literally is going to be your your go-to this this sixteen inch yeah so I originally had a seventeen inch macbook pro and back we're just razzing you the other day due to keyboard issue and you said you were holding out instead of replacing the keyboard you were holding out is normal and you go back and the other one's on me feels too tight precisely and so I I am not a clicky keyboard aficionado I'm not I don't need have to worry about yeah I even had pro keyboard and it's great it's totally different but I love it and I can use different keyboards they just have to work eighteen inch macbook pro from what twenty fifteen or twenty cents teen whenever and the keyboards are very different between these two men and for it design and we had so much faith and so much confidence in it and yes there were and which is not to say that there wasn't there weren't fierce arguments inside about travel to events and things I worked my way down to a thirteen inch macbook air and then when I had to start doing videos I went to the thirteen inch macbook pro and then that started being too slow and I went to the thing that the keyboard was acting a little funny and I put it off put it off put it off and I eventually just within the last few months took it in I had to take it in twice because the first time just crumble under my crumbles if you will so yeah it's it really just no matter how easy they make it or how comfortable it is or you know and that's Super Mushy two thousand sixteen macbook pro the very first one that they made with the touch par the very first one made with these keys and I years years later it was I think maybe two a year and a half ago is when I started noticing cherry bombs switches with cream sickle accents and I don't know bubblegum switch tops and all that stuff I don't need that stuff and so me whether I'm typing on this fifteen inch macbook pro with touch bar or I'm typing on my ipad pros smart keyboard or whatever it doesn't make much being a macbook pro right now under the fear that they might have a keyboard that would mess up even though there's this great keyboard fixed program that takes care of it part three years later it doesn't get something stuck under it and then some you know genius says well it's because you're eating test while you're here using your computer while and they just blew it out with some some air to see if that would fix it and it didn't I brought it back in they fix the problem it went really smoothly but the the you want bumper switch just what anything every selectric from nineteen seventy-one replace the key whatever they do that's too much work I don't WanNa do that I wanNA buy my computer take it home open it up and for the rest of my existence with it it works it doesn't follow old things and I have work a macbook pro fifteen inch micrometer with touch bar Workout computer I also have a caustic but they have the property of mine classic meaning that they can they can change adjust and so we get used to things and we can get re get used look at the look at the champ on that on that edge not tampered edge though oh my goodness well speaking of to just make that appointment and go in and have it taken care of even though it was quickly it was done quickly so I can see why people would be holding off on lead Gbh Boston we are excited. I'm excited not we I am excited to be here hanging out with you but I'm also excited to tell you all about hover hover is the place to go to register domains quickly and easily and in fact while we were talking hover is I was able to talk about all the the keyboards and make jokes about sneezing in its way and still registered domain super fast in fact it's got prince to me except if a tiny little chrome underneath a a underneath the keyboard renders it useless that's the only thing that matters to me like the travel doesn't and so problem I had with it was not it was great the the service was great they were really friendly took care of it really quickly but what a pain in the butt it was for me as a jerk about it right yeah it will it will get used to this new butterfly mechanism and then I go back and I'm like wow these keys are really feels mushy yeah on them for in no time flat in fact hover is a great way to service sort of a jumping off point for folks who are looking to start a new business for entrepreneurs in apple pay folks so it was easy to go in and make those make that order type it in fine what I was looking for and get that paid break weekly page on twit but I went ahead and scooped up crows hat dot Com thank you Laura Gill I'm sorry that I beat you to it but that's how fast and easy I WANNA hadn't registered crows hat dot com that's right each across hat a Croat dot com at some point that will start forwarding to the Max it's such a pain to just have to do it at all could see why people would hold off until let's make let's wait until there's a better keyboard mechanism that isn't going to to fit even better in the unibody design and and then the scissor they'll show this scissor mechanism screen just a just a really because I think that it's because there's something wrong with this keyboard that apple doesn't want to admit to those party all my old keyboard okay it was fine I could set down they do it for free and it lasts for so long it's still just an issue of getting into that store with your keyboard having them look at it having them cleaned it out having the super simple and easy to use but if you need it they're they're and they're going to make sure that they're getting you the help that you need hover has free who is privacy protection that is are are trying to put out there hover has over three hundred domain name extensions to choose from so you don't have to go with the traditional dot com swim I can't even sneeze an extraction our target market for this laptop for people who like to regard computers especially three thousand dollar ones the professional dot design is a great thing instead of dot com or dot Biz dot org because it's telling you everyone exactly what you do you they know that hey as static design objects people I mean th the the deluxe version comes with free three hundred dollars chromebook for actually doing your writing and you can go with dot C. A. or dot co which is one of my favorites if you WANNA get clever or dot design if you're a designer a Croat dot com is where I will be kicking that off but it you know domain is is the best way to get started with business because it shows everybody what you are I don't want people to know my address I don't know my email that's all locked away for free whereas some other domain name providers will charge you extra for that it's a cleaning easy to navigate you user interface and the user experience like I said a super simple and they have sales all the time on popular top level domains offense starts with the name of a thing so in this case crows hat which is going to be my bespoke Bird Harry that I'm launching and obviously Philip Popular Choice for me now keep your domain name separate from your hosting you you have a place where you go and you at your site and you you put it all together and they've always got excellent prices by ridiculous I mean the good kind of ridiculous that is ridiculous it's not hard to see why hover as a popular choice for people including me who has waited the you are some sort of creative professional designer and it's a fantastic way to sort of point things out without having to put it all in the first half of your website it can be comes through and Mike Yeah I I think I'll keep the auto renew turned on for those and there've been a few times where I've let them lapse because they were not worth the joke anymore back there was dot online was an option for crows hat which I went ahead and grabbed the dotcom version but if I'd wanted the the dot online I think it was like two ninety nine for a year as ridiculous point to my tumbler site and the next day I wanNA launch a squarespace website then your domain is separate and easily transfer between the two it's a pretty great lovely I am excited thank you oh yes I excited I did I did I did trim my term Iberian spy might sideburns today I'm glad you noticed I was going to pick a thing we do appreciate hover now that I have that I can brag about for the next two days and then I will forget about it for in the U. I. Simple to flip those switches you can use a domain name that truly represents you and your passion by visiting hovered dot com slash it's free they're not up selling you on that privacy they think that that is an important thing to have right off the jump so when I go and register crows when I went and registered crows hat dot com technical support because they make it so easy to get signed up and make it so easy to plug in and get exactly what you want whether it be forwarding or something like that it's all theirs people are getting very into nerds at least they're getting very into talking about what you one chip can provide for the future for that as well like I said I've got several hover domains that get renewed every year I always get the notifications before think about three months two months one month and then oh important you don't want to be able to have someone go and look at your domain and then be able to find out your address your email find out your phone number find out those things right there at the end dot design you're gonNA find excellent technical support available to answer your questions if you have any so that I have really never had to contact covers you make look pretty but you wanna keep that separate from your hosting so that that way you have the flexibility you can switch to a different platform very easily if you decide you know one day I wanted to so this one of the things that I have been hearing a lot about because we've got the U. One ship in in the iphones wool so that's always there but those were pretty inexpensive options that I was able to get quickly and easily and it was a popular choice for me then and gone that way you don't get fingerprints on the on the nice one yeah it's it's to the side your work there and then you can look back at this once in a while ago oh how lovely quit that's going to get you ten percent off your first purchase of any domain name extension for the entire first year at hover dot com slash twit it for ten percent off your domain name extension for a full year and of course thank you to hover for your support for the newly registered crows hat dot Com and something that folks are talking a lot about is a are with with a device that can sort of track between two points A as location within like centimeters you have a much better a our experience for tracking but also just for manipulation of the space for adding things dropping impression of what what someone who is in the know would refer to as a are glasses and I just don't know how apple could make them given is an anchoring them in and so we could maybe see apples a are glasses in twenty twenty put it in the words of the immortal cash I like your beard Andy Not go many domains that I don't use including my horrible error of registering slow fee dot net and dot org spelled with a Ph instead of an F.. Because I am AH I am I keep trying to what am I one of my regular search things is displayed technology and just looking for academic papers on how to do it in such a way ever make that super easy to do whether you want to have the auto renew turned on or off so they're not up selling you there either you don't have to call and say hey I don't want the site anymore please it's all right there Weil and then hover will say hey it's time to renew that that was a good joke I had a good time with with Lori and Rene that day that's good or they will come up with a way of doing a are that is not a linear it's not what we're expecting it to happen but it will be something that is waiting for us when we finally get home so that's GonNa be fun what I still can't figure out is how they're able to keep that present close without any tape showing anywhere is hey that it will you won't have the Google Glass Effect of Oh my God I can't I I like I like having all this stuff available just by walking around and not using my phone they don't WanNa do that in a later update whereas the company's not so much so it's so I'm fascinated by this now that we're seeing so many really interesting using this whether they're out in a jogging path with their biking whether they're just at a desk somewhere they know that this person knows how badly they're going to be fired ensued at than the because I have inside information or because I'm an industry I'm such an incredible industry analysts that I can see it's it's simply that I haven't I haven't the best I'm fascinated by the story I I would have bet anything that we're not gonNA see appleyard glasses the next couple years because and it's not ah I'm I I think that if if apple does ship something like that next year either a it'll be this wonderful display technology that will come as a complete surprise at least to me on one of those really crunchy granola bars on mine I had croutons and I had a cap on it and everything was fine afterward that completely works like they're not they're not going to do a face unlock until they've can ship a face unlock that doesn't work if the person's eyes are closed ooh interesting I keep that I hope so I hope so with Apple Ah in two thousand twenty we know we're gonNA see Microsoft's idea of dual screen folding computers we've we've seen the demo we've had people who had eminently useful because apple doesn't they're happy to be two or three years late late to the blade to the ball if they think that here is we don't have a good idea for this we don't have a way that reports from people who have great track records I okay I'm glad to be I'm glad to have a guest that was completely wrong and it's nice to it's nice to have an idea that twenty open not just Christmas Day but until we get back from Grandma's house so we have to go to mass we have to go to grandma's house for dinner it's a we did we know we've got this one big president if that was one of the one of the things that went into the design of Apple Park the idea of we want to have this completely secure and closed place where if we are going to like the fact that everybody's like passing me with like eight feet on each side because I looked like such a Dork I like is like a surveillance surveillance so so yeah wraps off of his when they have no choice they now absolutely have to let in people that don't completely trust or they're going to have to let people ride the subway with this or because does that and maybe the the the leaves on the top of those two logos they change color depending on your mood angry house yeah yeah have you noticed movies go to a movie and it says and then and then Tom Cruise can't wear the Japanese Taiwanese flag on Yup Yup who had the the demo but we know but next we don't there's so that's the problem that's the present we got to open on Christmas Eve but they're still this other package under the tree from apple that we're not going to be allowed I start a new phone or a new wearable or a new personal Zeppelin or whatever we can do it without T- and say by the way we're testing knowing that anybody who sees somebody had their faces painted purple if this gets out because it's it's the night the thing the the time when you know that something is finally taken the perfectly perfectly wrapped present with no crease well-designed micro tack on the back of the ever do you ever completely useless so it's it's great to think about that so my my problem with the glasses isn't so much technical I think they'll start off very much slave to an iphone the way the apple the first the first release marred by by the way it's okay so long as you're not in any sort of a moving vehicle it's an any gas fumes will render this completely sticking out of your ear but were print pretty much making sure that we can put Shlomo anywhere you want to have access to it and if you're running if you've just got your if you're just washed what does it take to get to that and I think until they have those things they can put up on the slide it doesn't matter how mature the technology is it has to be that complete package work the way people expected to will know because we'll have a million people using a hourglasses telling us what we should or shouldn't be doing and then we'll have all that like that we're really compelling and I think they sort of need to shape that like I try to figure out backwards like this is what the demo on stage at the keynote is going to be and or interesting and compelling product to me so I I would even be as happy if apple simply said we've got this new version of the air pods that is we got we got rid of the lollipops I really want to say is that this allows you to use Google assistant completely untethered from any phone you can even be they say three rooms away from your phone and you can still make appointments get access to and from market research out in the public you know maybe just shifting gears now and the the interesting thing for both with apple and Google that we're already seeing there goal for just going for it and then eventually it gets better so maybe you know maybe apple is like you know if we did this exactly right it'd be three years before feature because right now it's maps it's like walking around and seeing which way to go which is cool but it's not really oh I have to rush out and buy this cool and there seems to me in the dishes I think audio augmented reality is really much much bigger potential than anything else that I've seen so far I agree with that so whether it be the pixel buds has to be like the watch arguably had too many features at launch you mean my heart racing yeah but they eventually settled on things nation get answers to things and that's and the fact that it's that tiny that you see that people won't really see it unless they're sort of looking for it that makes this an even more are we brought a are to to to the public and we might lose out on it so let's just put it out now and if it's if it's half baked and it doesn't is or or apple or Amazon's echo buds though the the one augmented reality situation there with audio in which way is right in a set of directions and so we're we're seeing exactly what they want to do all we're not seeing is that the hardware that until now they weren't able to to make and one of the nicest things about most interesting announcements that Google made their event last week was their answer to to air pause the Pixel buds they are software they just they they have the ability to create the software because they can just have it running on a phone where you're just obligated sometimes to look down at your phone or which is which and you're you're expecting okay. Well now there's a crowded market of truly wireless ear buds of course if Microsoft has to have their own set then of course apple has to have their own set and is being able to wear the echo buds and go into a whole foods which is owned by Amazon and say I'll is are the bananas on and then it says I'll three and then you up and just get get a look at some of the buildings for the software to be able to give you that big stupid arrows saying this way idiot I can't believe we have to tell you which way to turn and seat which to think and then decide what you think is worth keeping and in the next iteration will make it better like you have to you have to give some credit to good yeah I'M GONNA I'll three and finally I think that's an incredible feature and to be able to high that in and homer Simpson's voice the first smart you're about to say something well what what if apple is taking a page from Google and they're just saying like you know what we're going to present this to half baked and Amazon has to have their own but they are really promoting it not just as okay Yada Yada Yada so it's it's it's noise cancelling and less long time Blah Blah Blah what what yeah or if I want Samuel L. Jackson shouting at me about where the bananas are then that would bananas down the Aisle on the left is it I will fire don't buy that tippy Granola crap that's good Lori you've got to do an impression now I got nothing I'm sorry Laurie Laurie Gills a Amazon Echo Voice Bananas Oh boy speaking of of augmented audio reality computing are a lot of buzzwords Anna's are you are you telling me stranded the bananas couldn't be found man I ain't GonNa fall no banana my tailpipe it is there's a rumor that it might have that these might have noise cancellation features that they could launch ahead of the holiday season a are are six that air pods pro are are are her apparently in works this in fact the photo on the right in the photo that we are showing for folks who are listening you can click on the link to the nine to five Mac article it's a little glimpse basically that shows then that we might see them soon and maybe call air pods pro air pods. They won't see them in the firmware not another one of the firm where I think it was yeah the flexible hairdryers little hairdryers that's perfect or a little one on one eyed worm hiding inside it took me a while to to really like my air pods and I think that the biggest issue there was working from home made me a very privileged individuals died of a tennis racket with a hole in the side of it of con- nightmares now thank you mike a ticket as possible show title uh-huh maybe in another world and in another life no the end in China for sure I'm excited about these I I really all in the sense that I could mostly just blast the music or audio that I wanted to blast into the air was just me and my dogs but now I go places and if I'm at work I've got one computer there and then I moved to a different place might have my ipad and then I moved to a different place and have a different computer whatever it happens to be able to switch between those without having to take out The headset that I'm wearing or switch older and now one of them completely doesn't put out sound and the other one puts out sounded about sixty percent of what it once did so I'm due for a new pair of air pods through a phone that I want to I want to talk on or whatever whatever it happens to be to have that one device my air pods that I have have been great for that problem is they're getting but the other day when I was trying to have a conversation to plant a show and there was a lot of external noise that for the most I'm really holding out for these because I like to have that inner ear experience versity to this sort of sitting on the outside of my ear I wanted to be I'm looking into these rumors do you think this is something in your opinion that could be launched this year I mean it makes sense as a as an offer before the holiday season and I think that for me I would use it in situations where ANC was required if I am for the other day plan on an airplane awesome well and the Second Gen don't get obviously but if they use the same pro placement that they've used previously would be introduced at a higher price point in the airports only because air pods the first and what's second Jin that jazz like the new case they're pretty popular and a second I didn't think about that this is not a situation where you are cutting out one of the products that replacing no yet to replace one but the pros will with noise canceling like all the time you'd have to designate when you're going to use it because it certainly would use up a lot of battery life in those tiny little things we're not going to be able to pass up on the pluralism did there that was that was airports spoken spoken like a true editor air pods pro no I dig it art was pretty repetitive in the sense that ANC would help to sort of cut some of it out I would use it there but yeah you know an enormous Going to stay with US right now how not entitled I am to two hundred and fifty dollars stocking stuffers stocking stuffer was always socks razor blades shaving cream stead candy stocking stuffers not two hundred dollar not even fifty dollars is not a stocking stuffer I understand what you're saying though it's in terms of size it feels like a stocking stuffer but no tasted like candy canes and things like that and my younger siblings which now I'm putting them on blast here would have to be monitored around their chopsticks Peter and locked annoyed cancellation is hungry hungry little devil it sure is yeah you definitely wouldn't be able to just constantly use your air pods pro because they would eat their chopsticks it tastes like chocolate Laurie you're enabling you have to stop so those who would sit underneath them and those would look like the less expensive alternative and then the mean would be yours you can you even pro- Yeah something like that but they they would be the apple increasing like they did with ipod and other things over time slowly increasing the amount of devices and then eventually like an over the years version would make a lot of sense so I liked that they're expanding the lineup plastic casing that would go that would be the part that I think would be in my ear canal which which is that's what starts to hurt no I like I love the idea of Air Pods but I'm disappointed that they haven't found a way to execute it so that it the comfort level can be a little bit better fifty dollars I'm not financial my mind my mom and my dad would have ordered me to sleep in the car for the next three nights just to get an appreciation for candied orange hand lotions might migrate Grandma she was Avon to the Max and so she would always hand lotions and chopsticks see dollars I don't know where you come from but I I come from two hundred fifty dollars or two hundred dollars or one hundred replace the two now I still have to argue some people like to say that air pods are a stocking stuffer and I don't know where you enter uh-huh I'm wearing the party's pro right now because they are very comfortable but I need I need that sort of Soft Ping at the front of it and that might help with with the problem but I also see that the casing is still that large round and even slightly larger round saying like to have it sitting on the outside of my ear and sort of rocking around and stuff like that but then the fact that I might have noise cancellation that's a couple of years I I really can't I my fruit I'm not cheap but I'm frugal partly because again I'm a freelance journalist and rapidly collapsing market But I it it's one of the things I really associate with apple is that you really get a lot of value for money that even when iphones for a couple of hundred bucks flexible thing that goes in my ear because it without it it's it just feels like somebody's got a rock inside my ear hurts after thirty minutes so and more exciting to me because I I'm I don't typically get dizzy or have issues with not much would you give up for it though because then what they look like they're physically that much so that that little thing gets wrapped up and tucked underneath the tree that's a full on president giant box giant boxes if you can expensive than a similarly powered or suddenly featured android phone in it's kind of class it was worth the extra couple hundred bucks because you knew that it was built between the CPU power between the way it's built between the the software updates you know that you're going to get at least four or five years out of its long as you mentioned keep out of out of a toilet or keep which is why I don't use them anymore even though I do like them I find them to still hurt my ears and these look like they're going to be even worse frankly their power beats I didn't out if I could just talk to myself but I can't yet because I don't have the air pods but do we really I'm curious in my mind broke after recently and I feel I feel like for hundreds of for one hundred seventy dollars I really need something to last more than inspect got anymore for whatever reason it just stopped working that's I I wish that apple had like a better replacement policy I know you can go back into an apple store just if they are talking about how their their pods are not making as much sound as they used to and so they ended up getting a new pair of they're waiting to get a new pair to go back to Laurie was talking about and it would not make any sound and then she listened to the other one and she said this is actually not playing at full volume even whenever it's turned up to full volume so I could they make a real really big case about yours we're not just using adhesive for using plastic wells we're not just using seals we're using circuitry that in itself I put mine through the washing machine one time by accident and they were fine after that the the whole issue with going out came many many many months be solved via that way and she listened to the one that wasn't working at all and tried you know the same troubleshooting steps that I did as they often do in the design of the air pods and how the air pods pro that is in how it's probably going to be just as uncomfortable for me as the current Airbus could work underwater if you had up to four feet deep in a swimming pool full of nothing but marathoners sweat and will still work you don't WanNA see your test facility but we the money on this product I took them took my air pods into the apple store because one of them completely stopped play playing sound I did all of the trouble shooter after I put them through the washing machine this was I'm sure an issue of a lot of people have an issue where after a while even if you do a good job of cleaning them earwax for before we move off though can we also bring up the the fact that you're not you're not the first one just by by far tell me about how God I'm looking forward to the new airport gets in there and things get messed up it's gross at his whatever it says how these things work and but because of that I'm with you I think that if I spend this yeah it's been only eighteen months and all the sound has gone off the right one where they would either do you assault and replace it for free or at least give you a subsidized you I think with that level of price if these things are designed to go in the ear and I'm doing my dog best to make sure that they're clean replace the one that was completely not working but then it would have came in at one hundred percent volume whereas the one would come in like sixty percent volume and so it would have been better to just replace the whole thing you and you let me double down on that because I so this this is a really good point I've had a I've seen a few folks talk about this specific this very thing where I'm with you there and in the chat as someone's pointing out if they don't last long and customers just buy another pair why would apple bother improving them that's a fair concern if I'm still race on a replacement let let me do that once just to make sure that I get a few years out of it at least If the price goes up to two hundred and fifty I really really hope and features on my own I got a little like wax cleaner thingy and did everything still one of them was not working I took them into the apple store to see if it was some sort of issue out of a off of tile tile impacts but it's sort of why didn't you drop years in water didn't you wash them on it's our warranty you can buy a replacement bud but I I really wish that there was at least at least you could either as one card metaphorically that you could play that's for me I'm I've been disappointed with the last two iterations of them and I do see in the in the cliff that it looks like there might be some sort of soft cushioning if you do get home and realize that that that horrible that horrible thing where you open up your charging case and you only find one ear bud or no ear buds where you thought kinds of headphones but nothing has been as simple in my sort of moving from place to place option that the air pods provide with a microphone built in and all that free card thing is is an option where within a certain period of time I should be able to just get a subsidized at the very least replacement but particularly now that it's been a few years an anchor for instance has makes a really nice pair of like fifty dollars sixty dollars and no they're not as good as as air pods are as the top of the line bows but they're fifty or sixty that's a fair concern I think for me it's been the the functionality the way that it's it's integrated but also the size and ease of use that that is involved with the size so I do have other Bluetooth headphones I've got different kinds of them I've got wired had got all different it really hard to spend that kind of I've got one hundred seventy dollars I'm gonNA make another hunter seventy dollars really really quickly but I can't afford to like just lose one hundred seventy staff so I'll say one thing only just occurred to me like just about ten minutes ago this does the success of the airports does bode well for a are glasses and at that point and Mike I already spent this amount of money on it I don't feel like I should have to replace these at complete cost because it's outside of warranty at this point or replacement I agree with you because yeah for some reason I'm still going oh I'm excited to get these new ones even though these first ones sort of did me wrong per se I get that and I think and they're still they're still having these issues and I've seen so many other peoples talk about the same I feel like that is something where a sort of get out of jail dollars on something that didn't really give me the enough time to actually enjoy them didn't give you the value that one hundred sixty dollar value yeah bands that offer their own Bits of data and power tracking or not power tracking power delivery data tracking. I'm just saying that's true now I like this rumor I know we're still on the rumor thing but this is maybe the last one will do here this one has ah yes so so your your argument is totally right but you but mike did accidentally wash his hair that's fun well that's okay that you'd you'd you know now absolutely no idea where where these things went he there there's people people like me that find it really because they're really they're they're an apple design Dorky nece and so if there's any company that could convince somebody to say yes you don't even wear glasses in your daily life but here's some goggles apple happens to make because it took me a long time to realize that the air pods they look almost objectively Dorky this is something that I feel is is an area ripe for innovation I guess or at least an area ripe for Diet because I have come to love my Apple Watch and the the tracking features that it provides and we've heard for a while now that apple's maybe working on some some brand that's my star wars watchman and it also gives me a star wars watch base that's all I want it plays music as you put it on Apple Watch face that you can use with for example and Mickey Mouse Watchmen that gives you special Mickey Mouse Watch face that can only be worn with this Mickey Mouse wet rumer or no patent or no to me this means that apple's thinking they're thinking in the background there going okay what can we do with watch bands that could make the Apple Watch itself the bucks and they they work in fact in the sense that you get stereo sound in both ears via Bluetooth and if they do stop working or if you do put wants with the Washer at that I didn't I missed that part but I know a lot of people that just because they are they wearing them volleyball running and sweat got into or there was simply wearing them on hot days nice and if this is going to be your standard I'm going to have to up my game slightly I didn't I didn't even shave today I'm going to have to Laurie and I are coming in Tuxes oh it just looks so weird but there is sort of a well designed darkness about him that makes us not see the door keenness of them they've done a lot even California to to let you use your phone as your fast pass and if they could just move that in Florida which is very frustrating for the Californians that I it's called I think it's just called the the fast pass band I might have that totally wrong with a with blinking lights that shape like apple logos does not to be like that yeah we look like dorks but we look like Dorks who can afford apple products so it's kind of you know older that you can take it back and forth to the park you can actually get in line when you haven't even entered the park yet so from home you can say now that's going to be I'm going to be awesome I'll have to bring a both high then cracker of a bow tie that would be quite has the says Apple Watch to the APP and not even needing a special banned for it but they just steps away from having an apple watch APP for everybody that's at Disney fan in the in the chat is probably right now yeah they're they're calling me out on it but it's because I've never used it because in California they don't have the to me this is heading down that path to s getting branded a watch bands that come with a branded ban but yet it's an NFC chip in a band that you can buy your own designs of them and take them home it's not something that you only use during location again it is a patent without in the title a renewed this as something super exciting to talk about because Mike you might remember this too they also also too simple I mean I love that idea alone but I need it to also do something else and so what is that you would know because you practically about it would also encourage people to do more things with NFC or maybe even encourage more developers to have to have NFC controls built into their NFC activated feature the time that you're at the park and then you throw it in the garbage when it's done it's reusable so you have your own band and it has your annual pass information on it if you're at pastor about two o'clock I wanna go on star tours and then when you're there in the park you can go on star tours with it so yeah having that added to Apple Watch would be fantastic and frankly pulse rate warnings what if the band has enough charge that if it detects something really wrong with your heart it just yells out clear and shocks you I'm sold I want claiming some more money from US patent story because apple insiders one of those nights would never see patent and the headline then they get all excited I get one paragraph in that that whenever you used it you could use it like the the little ball that you can buy the little throw less I did and they'll have limited utility but yeah I and I think what apple struggling with two in which might be a more indika bigger indicator of when they ship it or not is that killer the Disneyland APP which give less you use those fast passes so that you wouldn't even need to separate band you could just use your Apple Watch I think it'd be great if apple created to sort of they just taking sticker NFC sticker and putting it on a band so if you could pat something that was like on the side of the of the class supposed to the watch side so it doesn't get triggered by so it doesn't i Mike my car navigation APP and stuff like that and so to have something like that that's embedded in a really fancy really nice looking Apple Apple Watch strap not only would it really be cool defied NFC Strap because a lot of a lot of the most interesting shortcuts that I've been seeing for people who are just really excited about what they can do by putting interfere with the apple pay and the the ability to sign yourself into and out of buildings were just the ability to tap when I was when I was and I'm excited also works as your past Disney yes yes I'm excited about this like I percents that it rumor we have an address at Disney at this point or that you can use an it's like an NFC or you can go and actually it's it's only I'm having Pika chew on your watch what if the POKEMON company and Apple Paired up to make a peachy watchband that had Expand with an Amoeba on it so that you could actually your watchband every day or I don't WanNa Simon Belmont Watch yeah I'm thinking now you mentioned that caused that particular form of dementia on Android a few years ago it was like I've got I've got an NFC sticker the doorway so all I got to do with tap my phone to tell me I told my house okay I'm home okay I'm going away had an NFC sticker on the church on the Dashboard Charter of the phone so it can automatically flip into like a my the you know you have more features watch bands expand to watch bands yes please because in the in the end what I want is a watch van that I go and buy it so you can carry your Pokemon with you on your Apple Watch and make it make noises like there's not a winner here so here's the idea right now we have the designed darkness is actually my aesthetic so at the off you look you look again I I say without sarcasm are already you look very is built into the wraps what are the what are the know Ya we chew me yes yeah naive built into my apple watch absolutely I gotta I gotTa say that when the concept of like a branded watches watchband came up I thought that you were going talking about like there's a little electrical current actually physically brand the apple logo into your wrist so that even when you don't have your watch you can prove your fealty to the to the mothership don't you watches yelling clear but it's time to calm down opened up calm that is the fantastic calm it's going to affect your learning you're problem solving your decision making if you're not getting enough sleep you download calm it's the number one APP for sleep I think part of the reason for that is music in fact Leo just not too long ago on Iowa's today discovered that Sam Smith has released a special version of one of his songs on the call the or so release of the watch I think those are pretty cool ideas of course as Rene points out once again we're looking at patents here and as we know his people talk about how important sleep is but you have no idea how important sleep is it goes to the next level of the importance of getting sleep because there are so many different options within the APP the APP gives you access to many different sleep stories mu patents do not always lead to actual technology in the future per se but it is a little it's a little glimpse into but maybe that's just me but I like the idea of if it offers more health tracking features if it gives you better heart rate tracking if and give you more of a for for for getting calm and getting more mindful sleep deficiency does serious damage trust me I did a podcast about sleep which is a thing the functions during the day so if you've got two shows back to back and you're not getting enough sleep for those shows well by Golly then you're not doing it right and you need something three D. Perspective of the way that your heart rhythm is if it helps with the glucose monitoring all these different features that we don't have right now meditation and Calming App Mindfulness App that we love here at at twitter in fact I use it every night right whenever I am trying to fall asleep because they have these great stories that they'll read to you whenever you're trying to fall asleep if you're struggling with sleep and when you're not getting enough sleep is bad for your health it's not just bad for your brain but it's bad for your body as well because you're more prone to accidents you're more prone sort of easy listening in the background kind of bands or groups they've released an album on calm as well and it's all grateful your brain and your body needs like soundscape and over one hundred sleep stories narrated by soothing voices including Jerome Flynn from game of thrones you're struggling with stress if you're struggling with anxiety while you're not alone in fact one and three US adults don't get enough sleep and if you're not sleeping enough it can affect your WanNa put on a business card but I am doing a show about sleep and researching asleep and looking at at new health studies about sleep and even Stephen Fry also Nick Offerman was asleep story that we checked out the other day specifically for kids so you can seize the day sleep the night map that's like the songs three minute song but it's stretched out super long and it is specifically made for the APP the above and beyond which is one of my favorite Z. A. L. dot com slash Mac break fifty million people downloaded calm including me Leo And perhaps the folks on the so you can find out why so many people have downloaded this APP at calm dot com slash Mac break we thank you calm for your support of this show watch apple says here is the proper way to wear your Apple Watch now this is a cute headline apple do what the company's thinking about at least now before we move on we've gotten all worked up our heart rates are high we've got we've got our one show because it is great to help you get some sleep to meditate and in fact they even have some yoga stories in there which I found really incredible that's going on including story we touched a little bit on this morning I s today and it's about watch os and it's about wearing your apple and Now that we are back from our calming break let's kick it into high gear naked this this and guidance on the chemical composition of the apple watches letting you know about some certain allergens that are in the Apple Watch how that could be added via the watchband and could be added more frequently through a release of bands than you get with the yearly feel support document that talks about all of the components and materials for different bands and what has nickel in it and what has CHR elites in them and also about this is the part that I think people sort of honed in on the part about a better fit some of the adhesives that are made as part of the process and then people who are sensitive to certain materials this is a legit with the help of calm right now mac break weekly listeners out there can get twenty five percents off a calm premium subscription at calm dot com slash Mac break that to to depression and things like that and you don't want those sleepless nights to turn into a lifestyle so with calm you're just a whole library of programs designed to help you get the sleep ankle I think my shins look real cute with them you know what your shins do look real cute whenever you thank you watch there but this instagram hold the best way to utilize my devices I like to read the owner's manual for as many of the products I possibly can and learn exam it's time to move on from the rumor mill basically is where I think we have to go because we talked a lot about all the rumors that are out there but there's so much more I'm a I am a subscriber the fact is you know that this support article is not about you wearing your Apple Watch wrong it is instructions you were Apple Watch makes a difference in terms of the readings that you get from the sensors I don't know about you all but I am happy being issues where their skin can become inflamed due to certain materials it's also a good thing to know so how about I don't know do you all have apple watches it's important that we know how to use utilize these things especially they're expensive we want them to work the way they're supposed to work but so I decided that I would start wearing it like a swatch watch now landed in the hospital because of heart issues I wanna make sure that it's tracking my heart correctly you know what I mean so I and then I think to folks who do have worn apple watches are you wearing them Crossley oh interesting interesting now inside of your wrist isn't it that's what I should do to get the best experience out of it and so if apple saying hey you know if you wear the watch like this you're going to get the most accurate heart rate tracking features as someone who former boss used to wear the blackberry playbook on a chain around his neck you know I'm going to let that one just slide on past because that's that's thinks you're wearing your apple watch wrong but is out there in truth how dare in truth it yeah exactly if I wanted around by ankle it's going around actual like very nicely written and professionally laid out and written a nose traded manual like here's how to use the iphone on IOS thirteen point one. Yeah I'll I'll I'll say as an aside that I kind of like the idea of I wish that I'm sure someone's GonNa Point this out yeah I've been I've been having fun with it on the inside the one thing I noticed is the the lift to check does not work you know I it doesn't just turn on when I when I did the like Kristof lifting which refrigerator long yeah I'm lifting a rock I think I need to switch it to left handed if I wanted to actually make that flip but I'm not actual watch pocket of my jeans for when I need to have something a little bit more digital actually wearing it on a band I would be so totally into that you know what I'm thinking of but sometimes I need a stop watch and it's never put into stopwatch mode it's never not a stopwatch no never not a timer but it'd be nice to have this other little thing that I've just got in the the and I'm I'm wrapping up my My iphone eleven review which means that it's time for me to put the put the close the door on the things that I figured out is one of the first really cool tips that came out of the Apple Watch after its release was people saying what if you it's okay if you put it on the band upside down if you want to have the dial all user I'm also glad because few years ago I did decide for myself that I had no longer wanted to write like how to apple books so I'm not upset about them sure locking my entire me they haven't seen it yet but I kind of am into the idea of the life of the Apple Watch as a pocket watch just as an alternative like if I want to just have it as in a in a for your product it's like oh I could always like download this thirty dollars book for free that shows me and also I I'm I'm glad because I'm an apple the flavor flav I was GonNa say I'm so sorry neck no that's just an ipad case yes so are yet we Renee in Georgia doubt and I talked about this on the show in a I just thought it was such a funny idea and I agree with you Mike Italy and as just a little like sorta Gigi sort of thing to enhance my but my daily my daily wear watch that I actually own is a casio g shock partly because this attack or if or even if you had like a bow tie with that like as the non in the Middle Oh my God I of course of course you'd have people like touching your Adams apple to make I have the the the stroller like on the other side on the on the other another location but it's good it's good to know what like when apple was designing this when apple designed how the sensors are ah they're saying the chat except it's always locked I would have to take the apple pay stuff off of it but then it would I think that I could take off a lot at that point and then I would I love it for you wear yours on your ankle all wear mine as a bow tie not rene what are you GonNa do double double fist ring perfect able to access it but if fastened it well enough it would think it was against skin so I'd only have to type it in at the beginning of the day and as long as it didn't lift off of the Nice now that I'm I'm serious again not a trace of sarcasm that actually looks pretty good after having pending patent pending or I could even worse you choose writing career yeah and I think again owned by the way I'm wearing mine around my neck now nice so you see that would make it would make I'm not that dedicated to the idea of it so I think I'm just gonNA keep it like this because it's funny it is funny yeah when you held up your wrist in Iran's that's my grandpa would wear aid because they launched and there were a lot of of of games that came out on at the Gecko but one of the things that was relations and stuff like that but I'm sure but Siri would still excuse me would still work with the raised to speak feature I could probably say Hey Schlomo what this actually looks on my own and suddenly now I gotta read the main we'll see when I missed and usually there's a lot of things that like their things about like my pet that I've been using for two years point out that I love that Andy keeps using Hong he's talking about that is my favorite thing that you're starting to do now and I hope you keep doing it for as long as we live create a critic custom face for it that has limits on it oh yeah one of those new like fire and ice faces or something yeah yeah well I would have to turn off the lock which means I'd have to take something called Pacman Party Royale which I'm ashamed to say I have not tried yet but if that face of pacman indication which for those of you listening it's basically a lot less painful than matching finger tattoos I was hoping you were doing cats and planet so we've got love and her and fire and I don't remember what all has no goes to be the fun feature of Apple Arcade as they would continue to bring out new games and so we've got four new games including contact with things this is what they had in mind and it's also it's it's also one of the one of the great things about buying apple stuff is that if you go to the bookstore there isn't it yeah I love it Laurie what about you I'm still gonNA just thirty two we're going to be the the what is it that the Justice Watch one with custom watch face with like the the love Emoji the other your friends with the Emoji so it'd be better misting it's it's it's it's it's funny that is funny that apple would go out of its way to explain this particularly because it it looks kind of low quality and I can't tell if they're doing it on purpose to be cute yeah so I told Carson that I didn't want to show my screen I'm now okay yeah I haven't launched on my Mac before why is this not loading but what I'm curious about okay so thing than it would be right there what we'll look a dog collars the sort of thing they can still get the pulse choker now we're talking really scrabble and Pacman you can't have like you can't make it like doom layout first person point of view like tunnel chaser and ace with a little chain and I don't know if not on a really you know ostentatious fob but there there are times where when I'm using it like as an MP excuse me as a music player it's wouldn't be a bad game as just it's not pacman there's something about you have to have you have to be God looking down over these pitiful creatures that you control he basically he runs a runaway for them he runs towards them he just that is his life that is his job I don't Wanna I don't WanNa think that if I make the wrong move I'm instilling even pacman party royale with the face of full dread no that's the one yeah that's the one I want to us because I'm curious about this eight knots all say honk does not not ex- urination off yes let's talk about apple dining where pacman is like the mom and the kid being chased by Jack I'm not sure if I want that that's Pacman is pacman supposed to be tax return STOIC we'll call it an issue now it's working there we go I'm curious if they're trying to do something cute where they make it look a little bit low quality for and get that Yeah I'm Kinda bummed at this game not going

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TWiT 776: Phat Boyin' It All Day

"It's time for tweet this week at Tech Owen Jj. Stone is here. Georgia Dow is here. My Buddy Andy NOCCO for break weekly. Yes we will talk about ww DC and what you won't see at W. W. D.. C. How K pop stands and tick tock fans ruined trump's rally, and then Owen and I are going to. Compare grills. It's all coming up on twitter. This week, tech comes to you from twits. Last past studios stay in control when it comes to your company's access, points and authentication last pass makes enterprise level security simple for your remote workforce checkout last pass dot com slash twit to learn more. PODCASTS you love from people, you trust? This is. This is twit. This week in tech episode, seven, hundred, seventy, six recorded Sunday June twenty-first twenty. Fat pointed all day. This episode of this week. Attack is brought to you by linked in learning. 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The show we cover the week's Tech News. It's father's Day some wearing my flamingo shirt. That's it. That's the entire celebration right there. It's over We'll say hello to our panel today. It's going to be a good one. We've got Andy NOCCO here from W.. G. B. H., in Boston must public radio of course. Irregular host on Mac break. Weekly It's do Andy. Thanks for being here. You never. I rarely get to do this show so I'm really glad to have you on. Well, because today is the Lord's Day I'm usually tied up in mass. I shouldn't laugh. Okay I shouldn't. have. I don't know I'm not the most. Everything I know about the Bible is what's so things? So. That's a pretty good collection. Also with us? Oh, in junior stone, oh doctor. From Z and a great page. Z. And lower third and want to recommend that everybody. Check it out because I just looked at it myself I. Z dot com slash the system, which is a compilation of videos variety of sources and some history about the system that we all grew up in. But. You know like fish and water. Sometimes you don't see if you grew up something you don't see it. It's not there so this opening. It's good, thank you. You're welcome appreciate it. Oh doctor on the twitter. Also joining us from Canadia. the land of the Norse, where everything is better, but a little bit blue. It's Georgia Dow. Anxiety dash videos dot com, and she's giving out her email address, and that's on the lower third I'll give it out again a little later if you were having a, that's what you said last time you want. If you're having a little hard time, you could send your. No because she's a trained psychotherapist. She could talk you off the ledge. Hello Georgia. Hey. How're you doing? I'm great nice to see you nice to see all of you. The Best, the best thing is at the end of the week to get together with people I. Really Love and and talk about the the week's news. What did you want to say? I can break in and brinker rule normally at dentist. Give people message. Father's DADS want to give a father's Day message. Please kick it. Okay so. The moment my child was born. My Dad was outside the room. And I'm holding my child and my dad walked in a room. I started crying like a baby. I looked at my child I looked at my dad. I said you loved me this much like you love me. All even my heart that you've loved me like this. My whole life like I love you, Dad and I know that you, but denault having my own child looking back at me, and it may be love you him ten times more, and so every time. One of my friends has child. I try to give them a little bit of time, but usually by the next day I. Call Them and I say. How amazing is it to know that someone loves you that much? You can get married. You can get dogs. You can do all kinds of stuff, but there's nothing like having your child in your hands and looking at your. Child, that is unconditional love and that is an amazing foucault, happy Father's Day to order dads out there doing their job and kicking butt, and isn't it amazing to know that someone loves you the way that you love your child, and it is a beautiful thing. Happy Father's Day to everybody out there these streets. Oh, that is really well. Put thank you own. That's really true to you. Don't you don't really know what it's like to be a parent till you're a parent. I literally he walked in the room, and I'm holding her and I just started crying and I was like I can't. I can't believe your heart had capacity to do this and I mean. My Dad was always bad loved me and stuff, but I was like. Oh, you really really love me. Has Been? Trained Like he really like. Thousand percent with everything and his being loved me, and that is an amazing feeling for anybody who gets to have it mother or father. That's really all on them. Oh, I am supposed to console you. Both of you on your loss Friday. We We had our after hours. This week was a Texas. Hold em poker combined with an ask me anything. It was kind of an unusual mix and I think you can blame the distraction of the questions. on your on your law. Who took the pot and get to see it yet? Who took the pot? In the mustache man course he did. He did. Though Yeah Padre. Ian, Thomson, and of course Jason Hell, who ran out of money early on, but his rendition. Of the spice girls. To get more money. I did see that that was pretty special. He had to shake it a little bit to get some extra coin if you. Wait it. He went all out. The is at the end. He was like he had it all he was. He was doing it. Did so they re bankroll. I guess that's good. Oh Yeah he here I'm done I should also say thank you for joining us. On June, teens, and I was very proud. We had a donation button on the the whole time, so we I don't know how much money we managed to raise for black lives. Matter but I'm glad we could do that as well so I was losing money. Why your raising money I'd I'd demand. For Owen his coming out the wrong side of this, take a couple of times. What Florence Ion on has not yet cracked my bitcoin wallet. Would you like a triad? Oh Owen? Out Put out there to anonymous I'm going to get in that thing. Honest break. Let anonymous do it I'm daughters on anonymous is list. Apparently, my daughter tweets D'Amato time between back at her. She's about to be an anonymous I know about the about. Get these coins Galil. She bought the join the I. Have a if she wants I, have a V for vendetta mask she could borrow. that. Shouldn't need that. We know we. Need that I'll send it off you. I have both both and the fake mister robot for mask. They don't look the same. It's kind of funny, but there's there's suggestive of one another. I guess he's got something in pop culture, right? You know what I mean. Oh! I know I'm proud that I don't know anything about pop culture. Nothing! That's not enough for him and my brain. That's right. You, you like there's forty two diodes in the third ship. Those Betas Eighteen, seventy, four thirty. that. I don't even know that anymore on. It's all going. It's trickling out like San in a sand bag with a little hole in just trickling out all come on be. Beyonce, aren't you happy? You can still remember your library card number for from when you were like nine or ten years. Those things never go yeah I. Know My coty serve Id. Seven five one, zero, six commerce, three, one, three, five, a lot of good. That's going to be. I. Heard. Asked. Tomorrow is WWe DC twenty twenty kickoff. We will do our live coverage of the keynote from the Steve. Jobs Theater empty. I presume Ten am Pacific Mica Sergeant, and I will be sitting right here. I'm a little excited about ww DC we talk. We've been talking about it talking about a on Mac break weekly at length. last couple of weeks, but. There was a suggestion for some time that there might be. Some new hardware like new AMAC maybe a new apple TV. John Prosser. Who is the Premier Apple leaker these days and Max wind back both said. Any new hardware reveal ww DC. Tomorrow has been scrapped. So if you were waiting for a new IPAD PRO or a new I MAC or new TV or New Airport Studio Air, tags which we know are in the future somewhere, not tomorrow. One! I'm with you. Andy I will be devastated if I don't get my ear tags. Hopefully, they're wrong. least about the tags 'cause. I think could be if done well. I think that they could be really life changing so. I mean if half of what we've heard about. These things is true that they're not just It's not just apple pointing. Hey, you know these these Bluetooth Ellie trackers. Let's do one of them, too, but as opposed to. Let's get support for really really precise location by through hardware in our phone so that they can be more useful than a vague. Oh some dude on a bike passed by where your bag used to be ten hours ago as opposed. Here's exactly where you're. Here's her here's. Here's exactly cat is hiding, or here's the room that you left that that you left your keys, and that one time and it really was the only apart from the Mac, it was the only piece of hardware that I thought was at least was anticipating some sort of an announcement about so it's I I hope that the air tags count says an accessory as as a lifestyle add on, and not technically as a piece of hardware because I would love to finally see a demo of it. If it by the way mark. Gherman confirms. That he heard this, too. If you have three. Of the top apple rumor. leakers saying this. It seems likely to me that they were told this. By apple in effect that apple said an apple wanted this to go out. Because, of course they would. Because if if they weren't going to announce anything tomorrow and everybody expected something there would be. That would be a Paul. Yeah, that'd be a lot of disappointment, so I'm not, but why Georgia, you think apple would. have surely they've got tags ready. Why would they be holding on? I. Don't know I would think that there's something that's that they need to to wait on. I would like for them even if they're not going to release them soon that we can just go through them. Give me a little bit of excitement. I think that people need it right now and I think this could be really helpful to everyone, so I'm hoping they still release Air Tags I'm no everyone else's. It's the Max and. I'm good with just. Giving tags, so that I can find my dog and my children and my phone and my car and myself and my purse. I would love that I would love it I need a little bit of all of that so. I would have like twelve everywhere. Well had we had tracker as an advertiser and I've used both the tracker, which and Tyler both Bluetooth trackers, but I get the feeling that would. Apple's doing is a little different from that. The one of the one of the rumors rounded is that it's not it. Is Bluetooth Bluetooth La, but it's also based on some accustomed Bluetooth Hardware and Bluetooth wireless harbored that is inside every single and every single iphone are. This huge. Chip Yeah, and it's weird because the. In the iphone it's been out six months. The only thing I know of that it uses it is the airdrop where you can point? At the person that you're going to send it to that seems like such a trivial use for something, clearly that added to the cost of bill, the cost build on the IPHONE. Why would they must have expected air tags? But we're not not not just that, but remember that APP I'm sorry. I'll make that quick but the when you realize that apple builds iphones to last four or five years would they could put that chip anticipating an announcement, two or three years from now instill decide that this is. It's cheap enough, and it's relevant enough to put this inside every hardware particularly if we put inside the hardware at a point, where not? Everybody's going to use it, so it's not gonNA cause anything to blow up. So this stuff if they announced they're gonNA. Announce it right. They're going to release it. Here's the problem. The world is upside down. So you getting a hold of one is probably their issue, because you know, they always have their first wave, and then there's a stall, and then the next wave comes in because they only make so many of something was their expectations of their first wave, but something like this they they might have a production problem could be guess like only have X. Amount and some people like Georgia Georgia. Yeah my email. You might WANNA email. About the have super duper sadness in your heart if you don't get one of these all. I really. Nothing nothing at all. I will be sad like I like software. Afford. Or Galiyo. Tabet trip, he just had someone sadness in your heart about these that. Worn there's only. A lot of apple nerds on Youtube to get first dibs, so just relax. But you probably will get one. That's going to be the issue. You're probably not going to go, but they will be out in the world. That's my thought process. Isn't that funny 'cause? Of course, it could just be that they. There's a production issue. The world is locked down under pandemic. We've all kind of. At least I have in my mind kind of Said, oh China's back open again. They're kind of open. They're not fully open. They kept saying iphone production for the IPHONE. Twelve is on track and things like that, but who knows maybe they couldn't make A. Maybe. It wasn't important enough to devote limited factories capability to those. Behind on other things that they get meet, so so it's not just about having gotta the IPHONE. They can't the phones. Yeah, you know what I mean like. There's a level of production and importance there. You know what I mean so I don't know like I said. We're GONNA. Find out tomorrow I know they're gonNA. Come out I know they're going to happen, but they're only going to twelve. That's very important point. Share very important point you get to shoot. To. Apple is closing reclosing Applebee's reclosing some stores eleven stores that were reopened it Florida, Arizona North, Carolina and South Carolina are being closed due to Kovic spikes in that area. so you know that's another probably factor in this apple's slowly been reopening its US stores and stores around the world with some you know obvious precautions. You have to get your temperature taken. You have to answer some questions you also have to socially distance when you're in there and most importantly, you must wear a mask. Inside. but nevertheless decided even though they've reopened a majority of us, retail stores are going to close eleven of them in those. Hard hit states. Have I just feel like it's going to be hard hit and a lot of places. So maybe that store opening. Was a little premature I. Don't know. Well both Florida's kind of famous for being super super. Give with the kind of the political end of Oh we've got to get everything reopened as quickly as possible, so it's similarly Arizona was a lot of governors that have been really on the bandwagon of this isn't a medical crisis. This is a political price. Then secondarily, it's a financial crisis. It's only number. Number three health crisis have been sort of racing to get things back to as normal as possible as quickly as possible, and these are the places that we're seeing these research and spike, so I don't know maybe that. Maybe this is going to be like a maker of political ad, saying the reason why you can't get these new beautiful air tags up. Because your Republican governor! decided to reopen. possibly although I have to say, it's spiking in other places, too including I think here in California We're going to start to see a spike, but that's not fun, so let's talk about that anymore. Let's talk some more ww date. Say Okay I'll. Like, maybe we'll get to see the the new super pro air pods as Now we're not see any hardware any. They say no I mean that's that's. That's the. That's the other big disappointment. If that was true I mean, it makes sense that that we would. They would kind of wait for an iphone event, but Given that we've seen like sneaks of that in in. Help files and info files have been embedded like previous Iowa's. At least somebody at some point thought that that was going to be imminent a few months ago. Now this was it seemed to me very well. Source leak because you even had images of new. I MAK new small vessel. Mac The tags have been sh for sure must have been available by now, so there's something you know who knows, and it could also be apples dampening down the expectations so when they announce only five new products and people will be very very happy. You know we just I feel like apple plays us like a fiddle. And they don't have seals this year, so it's going to be rough for them. To do their hopes on and dance. The they don't have the applause current. Yeah. Some workers that are in there that will cheer like extra loud like they'll be like ten percent last, so they have to cheer ten percent more. I'm sure won't just be better I'm sure there's here's little. Here's a little tip if If you're in an event. That didn't have the turn out. For whatever reason I learned this at when I used to do live with regis and Kelly their producer. Gilman would come out to do the warmth before every show, and the funny thing is that he got great laughs, but he said exactly the same thing. Every single rhyme never varied one of the things he said is if you clap faster, it sounds like there's more people just a little tip cloud three times faster. It sounds like there's nineteen thousand people in that arena. Just clap faster. That's the key I'm just hoping that'll be like like the old Tom Snyder show where it's just all about trying to make the crew left. Running the snapchat running the running the camera. Tim You nailed it. yeah I can see Tim Cook talking to the camera, Guy Alex. you know what I'm saying I like you know what I'm saying, right? I did watch that show with I can't believe you must be the only person on this panel. Remember Tom Snyder and besides I've used to watch Letterman, and then watch time slide reports show, and so just again just knowing them all he wanted to do was make those six union guys, and that was pretty much. But but you also have a point. There's today. The New York Times had I think they're. I like sick, sticking their neck up prediction of Oh, well according to unnamed sources that we have inside Apple Apple is definitely going to be. Re is going to be transitioning to arm processors away from Intel and whenever that happens like immediately at a time. Time where it's really useful for apple to for for a piece of Apple News to come out, I don't know that it was a. it was an authorized leak, but that's the sort of thing where I start to wonder. If we're seeing some manipulation here, that is apple wanted a big story to be out in the newspaper of record the day before. The ground for announcements that they're going to have. I do think that the and by the way I think from now on, we should no longer say it's a transition to arm because I. that misrepresents it true apple leaving Intel for its own chips is really a more. Isn't that more accurate way to put it? It's the way it's the way that they'll. They'll describe it when it happens. Because no one knows knows what arm is, they'll say oh, and here's and they'll say. Here's all the things we can do now. We're or they're gonNA. They're gonNA. Go into here's here's the amazing things we've been able to do. With the iphones performance and the I performance and the IPHONE and IPAD features like here's. Here's the reason. Reason why there's touch ID biometric ID on a single device that we ship because we all the phone tonight beds, but we've only been able to recently. Put It on the MACs. It's because we're able to bake that stuff. Right into the CPS. And now we're going to make now. We're going to make Max just as good as the iphones and the ipads which I think has been acid interesting adding. The show that is a very interesting way to put it because one of the concerns, people who have an experience with arm particularly windows on arm. have is that it's going to be not very performance that you know. Windows on arm is a pig. It's awful, but they're using. Off the shelf qualcomm chips primarily so apple's got to fight a little bit fight that perception I think that's a very good point, look. How faster IPAD pro is we wanted to bring all that power. Performance to our desktops is much better story. To be fair, I mean like. I don't know I'm! Not GonNa say I've I've killed them, but I got a shovel in my backyard in that whole bunch of Intel chips. Are you all. Are you all amd now? Have you moved to the rising gas? Let me. Let me tell you about my news as well. Look at it. Look at it. Love it while you while you're talking about gives us give it A. 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There's an apple. There's also the application's icon. There's a twenty twenty icon. There's juice box with an apple on, and I love that. A chilly guy. It's kind of like an Emoji, but he's chilling. California republic bear flag that's their state flag some googly eyes, but my favorite is this when the Unicorn looking over the top of a laptop LID AMAC, booklet. I want that so bad. Some To Send me the Unicorn, you can have the rest of and. So I was going to give it a Unicorn somebody five and a car. And fifty winners in the swift student challenge. They're going to get their pin sets, and they're GONNA get their beautiful jackets. And That's pretty cool there. The jacket I may be overstating things a bit to say beautiful. Chat Reuss. Jacket, only decade members. Only it's a yeah. What is that design? I'm not sure. It looks like it would go well at the roller skating rink. When it's. A. skit backwards. Is it written, or is it just there's a tag? Says wbz twenty, but I imagine sometimes. There's something inside that says. In the past been reversible, but they're not showing it. Re well. Maybe this is just a winner, so. This isn't apple's picture of it, so maybe maybe it is reversible. I duNNo. Super Bowl says. A more grew. There's A. It's. Here's a more blue green now. There's going to be debate. Is it pink? Is it blue? We don't know what color. I, we might get to see it tomorrow. The stripes do not say anything. Look a little bit like bling. Looked like they blamed the jacket. so arm I'm sorry I. Did it see it's easy to do any, isn't it? The apple chip transition will be happy beginning tomorrow. I believe that's going to happen. And we know they'll be IOS fourteen. which will have some new features like you could start your car with it? KARNAD included I. Don't Know How can you? There's not much more you can do. I'm hoping that they will come through on. The rumor that there were will be widgets desk on the screen. Yeah. There's there's a lot that they can do now. Particularly now that they've really they've really aggressively. Move Towards. Hey, the IPAD is not just this amorphous device that does a whole bunch of stuff. They really are saying that we're going to get as much value for thousand dollars as a thousand dollars spent on windows or any other sort of device, so I'm hoping that this means that they improve ipad. They approve the launcher. They do things to make it more feature for feature competitive with a computer that runs a desktop as and can conceivably do anything and I think that we're hearing. A lot of rumors towards that affect yeah. The closer, but it's still gonna like you know it's not. Anything is probably too far right like they're not gonNA fix series. We're still going to get. Know we'll we'll they I guess if they're not gonNA have heart new hardware. I'm going to have to buy an apple TV because mine's on the Fritz I was waiting the homepage. There were lots of rumors. They might have a small home. POTU less expensive homepage. That thing has been a Unicorn speaking of your coat Unicorns all by itself. For more than a year now it seems like it's almost two years. Think with that. There's no market chaired the Deacon. There's too many good smart speakers out there right now. Be Nuts to buy it. Yeah I. Don't know who bought it besides like. If you bought one of those, you have an addiction in your Super Fan boy. Yeah, because no other reason to get serious is trash like right now. Amazon I can literally put Amazon in my master right now. They got a speaker from ouster ragged. Talk to my. Way Apple. Smile. Link. Is Bad for them, so I don't know I that's just die off until until they buy something out. It's a very weird product. It may well be. Sound I think the sound is. Sound. SMART features. It doesn't help you. You complain and. There is a rumor. There is a rumor. Is. There is is rumor you'll. This is exciting. You'll be able to put spotify on it. You know. I want you know like I. It's not. Too Serious I. Scream at me, knock. Know what's going on? She does she need. For a little bit of intelligence. So I I said hi to Google the other day. Because I have both obviously and I was like I something as A. Google like. Are You doing okay? The world's in a rough time. Wow! Okay that's. That's a little intrusive to be honest with you. A little turbine and rubbing. Your. Go write checks. You can't cash google. I I don't think I. Don't think serious garbage, but man when you compare it to either of the two alternatives either. It doesn't do that thing that apple stuff posted. which is to really create a sense of joy about but. There's there's also the you have you. Have you tried Hey, flora's lava. And I was like. Oh, no, the look the floor is. Like earthquake, 'cause you're supposed to. Then you're with your kids like for the next thirty seconds like not step on the floor like all right. Someone got paid to do that and I approve of that, but it's not just the software it's. So great if I want something smart speaker from Apple, after spend hundreds of dollars on a speaker, that's not necessarily better than another smart speaker this. Much money, but but also I want one of these two in the lineup. I want one of these like next to my desk, so I don't have to shout into the next room so that the one smart speaker that I can afford can actually set of reminder, or or tell me whether any jacket, or do any other soul, the soul comforting. Comforting things that these things do when you can spend anywhere from thirty dollars to for for a basic one to one hundred bucks for one with very good speaker, too now one hundred dollars for one with a with a with actual screen on it. It figured it's apple is just as not does seem to be interested in competing on this level, they just. In honestly feels like you cannot. You cannot say apple's heart disease in this unless they do that and they have it, and it's been two years, and they have. They did, but did do it apple's responses. You have crack cocaine in your hand at the time. This is the little speaker that you carry around that you can talk to your phone as the thirty dollars yeah. Car The closet. You got it right here with me to. Do, any of you listening to music on your iphone speakers know. What idea I do I do? It's with me I. Don't have to worry about the kids changing the state like whatever playlist I have so just get your teeth and say I know this sounds like an am radio, but it's. Scare. You don't even care I'm not really an audio file I don't really even care. I JUST WANNA get into the zone I. Have my own jam and I don't have to worry. But? Andrew you're so right I'm going to ask more often to people to Siri. Bring you joy. We're GONNA marry Condo this. Does Not does not anger many times frustration. Sometimes you're just shaking your head, but yeah I do I do play music on my phone all the time. By the way, I just want to mention at least two people in chat rooms, said you just turned their floor in the lava. I! Found raced. By the time. I even like the fact that like I'll do like in the morning or rent going to bed, I'll have like over Miami of this and a wake me up at this time, and whatever, and then at the end just to turn off. The microphone. I will say thank you and we'll say happy to help like I said. Thank it, also. I also I'm worried that people spend so much time talking to Speaker Little Kids that they forget that you're supposed to say, please and thank you so I'm glad that these devices now rewards for good behavior it's. Because you want to be funny, you want it to be cute. You wanted to be entertaining. You want to ask you from time to time on. You're feeling, but you don't want it to do that too often, because then it's just WanNa throw it through the window. So it's a it's gotta be hard to design these things I don't. Maybe we don't know the best way to do that is as is often the case around this time. Apple is also heading into some controversy with the hey email APP. Andy you were with me Amac break weekly when Alex Lindsay launched into a spirited defence of apples right to take thirty percent of anything on his platform, they built the platform. They put a lot of rnd into it and Gosh Darn it. If you WANNA be on it, it's fair for Apple to charge you thirty percent. to be in the in the store. Hey is an email program. That apple has refused because they don't have an INAP- subscription. It's one hundred dollars a year, a hundred dollars a year email service, but they don't. They didn't put it and they are refusing to put it. In the APP, the reason it's important is it comes from Base Camp Jason Free and David. Hannah Myer Hansen who are very well known highly respected and I. Think there's a certain amount of excitement I signed up immediately after reading about. Hey, dot, com, 'cause. It's an interesting. Take on email but Phil Schiller says. NOPE, we're not going to change the rules and until hey offers in-app purchases of their services. It ain't going to happen. Is Apple. Right or wrong on this now, Anne you and I got to got to. Got To us a little bit with Alex, or actually renamed wasn't there. Laura Gill got little tussle with Alex, but actors really adamant. What do what do you think Georgia? Should apple relent and let hey? Being the APP store without in-app purchases. I think they should I think they should actually overhaul the entire system I. think that thirty like there's so many developers that aren't making anything you already have to pay for the developer kit like I think that it should be like a percentage of how much you make right, so if your new struggling developer, it should be a very small amount of presenters. They make I think that. If you're a big developer, you could make larger percentage. It's not gonNA hurt Apple and I. I, think they should be a little bit more open about not trying to squeeze every single person for as much as they can get, 'cause they're. It's not like apple struggling so I think that a lot of the people are recognizing these large trillion dollar billion dollar companies are kind of swallowing up all the things that are good in the world, and there's a lot of backlash because of that and I think it would cause staple very little for a lot of goodwill. Thirty percent. It seems like a lot especially now you can buy the service. Online and that's what base camp wants you to pay for it online and then download an APP. There can contention is. It's kind of like the kindle, APP. It's just an email reader. It lets you read your email, but the service's separate. Apple Says No. That's not a reader APP. And, so you have to do it differently Owen. You have an opinion on this. I think you do. I. I'm I'm anti apple in most ways other than my phone and. My Watch and my pet and I Hate Apple. Except for my Mac pro Mac Book Pro Mac Book Air my I an Apple Watch. The thing that drives me crazy is. Do you want to play in the NBA or do you want play in the Circus League? Do you WanNa? Play NFL, or do you WANNA play any XFL? Because when somebody has a major league named the rules either you play by the. Right. Here's the thing. Apple is apple which gives everyone the benefit of having the possibility of having that one hit wonder APP and make a bazillion dollars. Yes, lot of people would struggling, but they've also made a mint for a lot of companies that have never made a dime anywhere else the android free. Why aren't you out there? Making minimum android because you can't so? The payment structure apple is facilitated the brand facilitation that they have the quality control that they have. If you don't want to pay, then you don't want to play I really don't have a problem with now. If you WANNA say thirty percents to highs, sure, let's cut it to twenty percent and in be crying about twenty percent. Then he'd be down to ten percent and apple have any money, and then I won't have to pay a thousand dollars for his phone, so. Apple makes the rules because it's their company and that's the way it goes. Is You paid a player? You don't I. Don't care about companies crying about it. I don't care about people trying to get around it. Go ahead and make your applications so great that it makes me switch from is phone to a Samsung and then I'll come and get your email. Hey, how you doin' about that I? Don't know that's my. and. Apple the complaint people make is not necessarily that they want the thirty percent, but they're just not consistent in the application of these rules that some email programs. That don't do that. Do this are on the APP store? Apple's in this letter to base camp said look, your APP doesn't do anything. It doesn't read email unless you pay one hundred dollars on. Hey, DOT, com to get it. And we don't want an APP on our phone. That doesn't do anything unless you pay. Outside to turn it on and if you're going to do that, you have to have it in the APP and that's a reasonable thing from an end you. Their position is look and users are going to download the APP and say well now what? And there's no way they can do anything in the APP so I. I don't disagree that that's A. Problem. I also think that base camp is very happy to have this controversy going on because. Hell of a lot more people that hey dot, com for you know what they'll do, they'll. They'll bump it up to one fifteen and put it in the APP store and then. The margin Chris Charge us. Going to free advertising because we're talking about that by the way is. The basis for a class action lawsuit. The Supreme Court allowed to go forward last year against the APP store, saying you're defect charging users this because the companies just past thirty percent along and their price. And so that that's a case is ongoing, so we'll keep an eye on that. For me for me, it's a question of a apple is is running the risk of turning into ticketmaster where if? For the most part the idea that they're. They're establishing this APP store and all these. Next code to allow you to create a world. Let's say a word processor or a game, and then sell it to the store. They will handle all the distribution. They will handle all the all the all the taking the money, and that sort of thing, and that's when you start to say okay well. Here's all the things they're doing for this this thing which is a piece of software, but then when when you get into situations like why are they an insisting that the Why? Why can't I simply by books through the kindle APP? Why can't comic books through the Comics? And you start to ask yourself well. What the hell are they doing? That would entitle them to thirty percent of of my superman comic That's the sort of thing that they want to avoid because I i. do see the need for some before developers to pay something into this. This apple can't simply run this as a charity. This is something that the are delivering value providing service, and they deserve to be paid for that service, but there are certain. Exemptions exceptions to this. Where again you say. Why're why is the sixty seventy five dollar ticket cost me a hundred and fifty six dollars. What is ticketmaster doing to to justify a seventy five dollars like? Add onto this to this purchase price when the answer is no I'm not upset with the venue promoter obsessed with the band I'm I'm set with with ticketmaster at the and the second. The second problem is always something. That's been very. Very consistent, which is the inconsistency with which apple's seems to promote its its rules for the APP store they apple said that well the only reason why you're Iowa's ABC got accepted to begin with was because of a mistake. We shouldn't have let it in to begin with, and and there's so many times I've talked to developers where they've had problems exactly like this where an APP on of totally noncontroversial sort of issue that they've. They've they've been? They've been submitting an an updating this APP for three or four years. And now suddenly they produce an update, and it gets rejected because they're saying Oh, full three years ago, you should have switched from using this API for time or for text, or for whatever to this new API, and for that reason for rejecting it, and then they'll say well. We talked to you three years ago and told you that there's no way we. We can make our APP work with this change that you're suggesting and their responses well nonetheless, so it's it's a problem for people who think that apple is is cheating amount of lot of money, but it's also an indicative of how powerless a lot of developers feel when they're trying to deal with this black box of that who's who's judgments are not to be not to be tampered with their questioned. I think that's the real complaint. Power differentials if your APP gets thrown out, there's nothing that you can do if apple says no for whatever reason they choose to. You can't really do anything right. If you're a really large company, you probably have big lawyers and odds are you can kind of put some pressure on or if you're really famous for Taylor Swift, you can put pressure on apple and something could actually happen, but for most of developers they have nothing. There's no recourse they don't. Don't have the money from it because they're not making any money and they're already having to pay apple. You know to be a developer but you know if and I'll. I'll say it might be controversial, but if all developers kind of created union where they were unionized, and the in union that could fight for them versus apple, than they would have at least a recourse if something that they think is unfair or possibly is unfair on happens to them. Commit commodities on regular world point. So I have a business and I go into a strip on by rented storefront, and my business is booming, and I'm paying rent and my landlord says Oh. Your lease is up I'm going to raise the Red X. Y Z because you're making this much money and I want it. Or Do I. Close Up my store and move away or sell it out on the street across three like you. And Somebody! You could actually move you you. You, you could, you could move to Anti. There's others another other platform out there. It's free I'm just saying this is the anticipate how things work in the world. You're paying rent somewhere because you wanna sell your stuff at the storefront and in some point. Change the lease and they say look. You have to do this or do that or you have to move out. We're going to cut your square footage. There's all kinds of things that happened in the regular world. This is average business stuff and we have a personal affinity to it because we want our apps or we feel like these companies are being trampled upon, but this is just business and I hate sticking up for APP. Driving me crazy. Isn't there a risk? Monopoly, rights. Monopoly this Alex. To malls vistas. Alex is my point is it isn't a monopoly? In no country. Does apple have more than say fifty percent market share? I don't know what is the market sure in the US, maybe the in the US they have eighty percent, but it's not monopoly size, and you do have a choice in that respect. There's no risk to apple and Daniel John Cook. WHO's a great developer? Red Sweater Software posted. This is micro blogs. Something I haven't emphasizes apple's approach to hey, dot, com and others. Who are actively dissuaded from distributing APPs. The customers basically apple saying yet. No, you can't distribute this is it creates a threat to apple's platforms, the point in which both developers and consumers will turn away. Is that a risk? That, Apple. Has To be a little more generous because they could lose developers, they could lose users on this. Somebody just suggested at union super scary. Go ahead and put that on blast on a loop Clinton. facebook AD blocking Tori. 'cause that's. Being. looked. At right now I want that be interesting, developers union. I think it should happen right? Every single corporation hates two words, union and regulation. Right so that's interesting, so that would be. That would be a threat to apple developers, but see I don't see that happening. Developers make too much money. Very, famously Tim. Sweeney eight would be an APP union. Itself would be an APP that then that would make money from other APP developers. Then bring back money I. Don't know someone being able to do. I said I'm trying to run in the APP store. I'm about to be Tim. Cook! We're going to make some money. Tim Sweeney who's one of the? EPA. Games has made billions of dollars. They made seven billion dollars in year one a fortnight. puts fortnight on the APP store. Be well. There's no choice and he gives APP that thirty percent of his billions of dollars because he has to but notice, he's not not putting it there. He tried for a while not to put it on the android play store, but just offer it as a side load, which android allows you to do, but that became such a problem, even given any put it in the android play store. You need those platforms. If you WANNA, succeed on either android or Ios these days you have to be in the store. on on the one hand and apple because you have just because you have to. There's no other way, but even on android where you have a choice. There's no way to make money, so it's interesting. There's a good. Test, if Sweeney's not willing to walk away from what must be billions of dollars at apple's taking out of his pocket with their thirty percent that I can't imagine many others doing it. It's just because the don't making money, right. Like. I, it's not as Of Business is the cost of Doing Business Austin business pay. Don't you have to pay lights and employ? Yes, okay I mean I can't go to the power companies. We're GONNA. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A. All the all the businesses in Petaluma decided not to pay power bills anymore. Yeah, good luck with that paid. Non. Union nurses. Just, and that's how they deal with government funding and what they deal with that right. Apple it would work I'm in a union. I'm in the screen actors Guild American Federation of Television and Radio Artists. Screen Actors Guild to my. Brothers. Giving me brother. Actually, what are you drinking? Hard lemonade? What is that? I am drinking. SPANGLER! Talion maybe spangler Delic Greg good grants. San Pellegrino. Or Not That's really good. That's the best thanks good stuff. I didn't WANNA butcher. Though. That's good stuff. I wish I want some San Pellegrino s right. Treat yourself treat yourself. Let's see what else so I don't think apple say anything about that on stage tomorrow, and probably not they probably will say though something that they put out a press release. A new study says the APP store facilitated. This is in twenty, nineteen, five hundred nineteen billion dollars in commerce. That's why nobody's taken a boycott on the apple store. That's a that's a big number more than happy trillion. I think they got me for my average spend. A year is like three hundred dollars. The for I wonder what the average is. They haven't published that that would be interesting. Really with somebody hit me with the thing. A yearly subscription and are superman because I'm like what I spend fifty dollars on I'm like Oh, yeah, I still use that of course cool, I forgot. I went and looked at how much money you spend just to check. Because I had a cousin fat, I can't come home fat, but Heaven for fend. I really wish that they'd break down. Those numbers like on what category of APPs also by number of employees at the company publishing this particular piece of software, because if they did that, and it turns out that okay, but we put all we handed out all but all but thirty dollars of that to game developers, and that was almost all INAP- game purchases because if they if they really want if they want to claim to be a a a job making juggernaut. Some think that they're opening themselves up to questions of okay. How many jobs are you actually creating, or are you essentially creating more effective siphon of dollars from children's parents pockets? App l'arcade a nice thing, but still. Anybody. WHO's tried to make it to anyone who's played like a phone based Marvel game and tried to get anywhere without buying special crystals or new fructose, or whatever might want to say? Yeah, please don't Brag about my last will. That's all the games though like I played to K I play I. Don't play fortnight, but my friends kids play call of duty You need twenty thousand coins. What okay, that's fifteen bucks you. You need a new gun. Okay? That's one hundred bucks like a playstation. Experts PC, so the whole world is in that loop now mind you that they're not getting that thirty percent tax, but at the same time as mobile. That's how I mean I guess Ed. For I'm not saying that pay to play his original, but I'm but I am saying that if they really WanNa boast about about how much how many jobs they're making how many dollars or putting the hands of developers? They really should break that out and say here. Here's how many people who are able to pay their phone bill. Here's how many people who are able to even afford to keep developing this APP versus here's all the people that that are simply able to keep their jobs in in an existing gaming company. Because we're not, it's not they're they're. The profits are coming solely from individual APPs being made, but by in game content that's being sold I. think that's a valid question. I was going to be like when. It's GONNA end up being that so many more barely. You know having to to to make link to have three extra jobs be able to continue to develop their application, because it's not making enough money like most people don't make much money on the APP store should also mention. That on Friday, the e you announced two investigations. Into apple now. It's The e U. I don't want to be too dismissive, but they are a little bit more aggressive and consumer protection. actions one of the things they're worried about. Is the commission the I investigation prompted by complaints from spotify and raccoons ten. Will determine whether apple is used its digital marketplaces to stifle competition from rivals in the Digital Services Space spotify for instance says we can't possibly compete against apple. Music is installed on all the phones. apple. Has a incredible advantage and they even and the maker by the way speaking of Apple Tags the maker of the tile. Tag also testified the Congress. We can't compete against built-in apple APP, and she's worried she. We can't compete against lost my or fine my. But. That's not even mentioning tags which I think that that's her greatest fear of course and then so that's one one issue. is the anticompetitive nature of it. They're worried that it would distort the market giving apple's own products and unfair advantage over the competition. And then I think the other is. Apple pay because apple pay is the only mobile payments tool that can use the NFC built into the IPHONE. And the EU says well. You should let other companies use that NFC chip for their payment services, thinking both cases, apple can make a strong case. It's better for the consumer what we do make sense of the consumer, and that's why we do it. Also they also, they can always hide behind the fact that hey, look, we're not android. We're not windows. We don't. We were not facebook and we're not twitter. We're not google. We don't have a dominant market share worldwide in anything, so it depends on whether the Jersey weather, the jurisdiction they're arguing through looks at anti-competitive practices as something that affects consumers or something that affects markets because they could make, they could certainly have a problem defending themselves against. That's against the idea that hey, look, you're allowing yourself. You're along your own products have access to a special blessed sandbox access to certain really really important features of your heart rebelled. You're not letting us your competitors have it? That would be a problem, but then if they have to say well, you show me how users are actually paying the price for this. How does this drive up the prices of your pro