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Episode 4: Noah Baumbach

Five Things with Lynn Hirschberg

48:35 min | 1 year ago

Episode 4: Noah Baumbach

"If your parents were divorced and you saw a squid and the whale which movie that was directed and written by Noah Baumbach immediately felt an identification with those characters. Personally I thought he was writing about my father. But now in the movie marriage story a he explores divorce from a different perspective. The perspective of the people getting divorced rather than how it affects the Children Inbetween Noah Baumbach has written and directed. Did some wonderful movies like Francis Haw and the Meyrowitz stories new and selected this episode of Five. Things is brought to you by the House of Chanel in Gabrielle. Chanels quest for freedom. She had to Moscow the rules in order to break them. Originality boldness assistance. These were weapons with Soft Jersey outfits practical sportswoman supple suits and lightweight shoes. She gave women the freedom of movement the freedom to forget the past and embrace the present to learn more about Gabrielle. Chanel visit inside Chanel. Dot Com my name is Noah back. And I'm here to do the PODCAST. Five things with Lynn Hershberg. What's the name of your movie? Marriage stores blue jeans. Well you must be exhausted so I will remind you of the way this podcast works. which is the first thing is a person that's meant something to you in a deep way the second is a place that has meant meant something to you for one reason or another the third is a thing a movie Object Dog something inanimate that you know it can be anything from an article of clothing to a film or a painting or a book anything and then two incidents in your life if one that was perhaps not pas one that was not positive but resulted. Didn't some greater truth in your life and one that was purely positive right. So that's how it goes So the first thing I'm going to ask you is a person in your life that's been meaningful and has had resonance for you. Who would that person be? Well I was the there many people and I had many answers it. If you've gotten me different different times I would have probably said different people but I thought maybe I would talk about my father Who passed away earlier in the year her and sort of my more specifically my relationship with him in movies and he's the character squid and the whale? was that the first time he appeared in a film in some form. Well there's there's aspects of him in the character in squid and the whale but it was. It was a kind of a fiction that sort of came from aspects of him but we aspects of my father and I I managed to hit a nerve a lot of people right right well and I and and and certainly there are aspects of him and my relationship with him but but we also had the opportunity today to talk about the census is sort of you know things that are you know not part of. It's not that character not part of that movie and when was his death surprising. Did it happen suddenly or was it long and long in occurring. Well it was it was I mean it was. It was surprising but at the same time there were there aspects of you. You know you hadn't felt he wasn't taking good care of himself as he could have been an but I didn't expect adapt when it happened. What was his name? Jonathan and did he was he did he sees squid and the whale And what was his reaction to that film who he really liked it. He's I mean what he said to me. was I related to the child and I thought it was very interesting but it was a loving thing to say two because I think he had sort of the experience that many people did which is it is from more from the child's perspective. He was he entered into you. You know that way as well and made a lot about his father and Meyrowitz stories also revisits that character. Was that interesting thing for you to keep bringing him back or helping to sort of explore. Your relationship with that character also had aspects of my grandfather which was his father and who was a painter and very irascible in a way my dad was in my dad was very well behaved and it. It does not like the the character Meyrowitz who storms out of things. He doesn't feel important to you. Know my father wouldn't have done anything like that. tax to his whereas whereas a Tux to to To just a an opening at At moma which I thought was kind of great. Yeah I was found that very touching the idea of two people people wearing tuxedos to You know regular a regular event. Yeah Yeah and then you see Judd Hirsch character. WHO's the artists? They're they're they're celebrating. Who's got sort of his knit cap and scarf in his uniform? Exactly t-shirt yeah exactly exactly. Yeah when we when we shot in Moma and we had all the big background scenes of all the the people there we were. We tried to put his little black in his possible to which is difficult if people are going out for an event but we told all the the extra not to bring their to bring dark clothes if they could help it so that the tuxedos would pop out you know when you see them in the crowd and I also like that you pick Tuxedos. That weren't quite new right. Felt like they'd been hanging in the closet for a while absolutely different styles like a the figured that you know that it would be a Tuxedo. Like from probably probably early nineties. It was good it was good. I liked that very much and did your father enjoy your work. Or was he a tough critic back no he did very much and he and I think it was. It was exciting for him because he he and I mean he really was my guide in movies growing up and and and I think we really started when I was probably like nine clean or so where he and I would just go to the movies all the time. Together I think it'd probably coincided retrospectively coincided with him and my mother not the beginning of the end of their marriage so times that he probably would have taken her in the past. He was taking me and he was a he was a film critic for Partisan Review and for period so he got all the sort of press screenings which was thrilling for me to see these movies before they came out but but also as a result. I didn't know anything about a lot of these movies that we would go to so I would see and we would just see anything. I mean we saw you. We sometimes it'd be some Remember like seeing the verdict and you know being kind of excited of young being the verdict. But we excited because do I. It was kind of a movie like I haven't really seen before but then you know we'd also be seeing like the get smart movie called the nude bomb which it was just like one of the worst movies ever made and but somehow it didn't didn't deter us. We just kept going back and my father would be like I have A rages fortune. Fortune fests Shelley long and Bette Midler. Let's show we did. We'd say of course we'll go see outrageous fortune and and you know but then we saw like John Carpenter's the thing. Et with him and and and not just foreign films not just foreign films no it was and what he did is he really made an effort for to like what I like to you know and and it was funny because we lived in Park slope and the there was no local movie theatre for a long time and then it had in a porno house and then it closed and then reopened as as as a traditional movie theater so because it was walking distance. Suddenly I was able to see movies that otherwise I was that the drive would merit it like. I wasn't allowed to see rated movies if we drove to them but somehow walk into them became okay so we saw I remember within like three weeks or felt like something we said the jerk which I loved an animal house which I loved and then an apocalypse now and which really knocked me back because that was a that was a different kind of R. rated movie than the others but but at that point all all bets are off. I suppose I guess I could just go to anything Did you love apocalypse. Now I do now but I I I knew to love it on some level but I was also it was it was. It was hard for me to watch and And the movie. Actually that we saw together that really wreck me and it was one of those things like I wished I could unseat it. was an invasion of the body. snatchers the version by Phil Kaufman. Yes yes and I and actually met Phil Coffman telluride just month and a half ago or something we saw it actually in Brooklyn Heights at There was there was the theater kind of amazing theater on where the Fulton Mall is engaged in toner. Do you remember that and there was also this movie. The movie theater call call but and it was like one of those great movie palaces that have been cut up terribly did you grow up in. La All these they did this all like Newark movie palaces with a cut them up and there were these often. These upstairs theaters that. You felt like you were watching a movie down a hallway like it was so I don't know what the designed designed to somehow it was only. It was often like a post or something. And you like that a little bit. Yeah I think post at the Angelika. Yeah and the subway. I remember when there was like we were watching. The movie and people were all like there was a focus problem and people were yelling focus and and and then My father said Bring the screen closer because it felt like the screen was too far away. I was proud of him for that joke. And you're afraid to go to sleep because you thought you'd wake up with a body. Cast I think I think the the thing also is that did also coincided inside with my parents. I didn't know it quite but I think my parents were starting to not do what what would precipitate the end of their marriage edged which would go on for a few years so I think the notion of body snatchers have things being like what you recognize but not what but not but not themselves you. You know I think that really connected in the unconscious and I but I was. I was going to say when I when I when I met full Calvin I said it single handedly really put me into therapy and I was like I talk about that movie that that that movie revisits my therapy to this day. It's a it's like A. It's an old standard the invasion of the body. Since I it's funny I was scared to see it again for a long time I have seen it since but even still L. I kind of watch it somewhat for like a hand kind of half on my face I it actually made animal. How scary for me too? Because Donald Sutherland was also in animal animal house and they're smoking pot animal house and they're all kind of acting kind of not like themselves but I don't want to get to deepen the spending but it was that is in that whole thing Yeah Yeah Jeff. GOBLINS and body snatchers. Leonard Nimoy. Yeah it's the professor very well cast. He's like groovy kind of self help. The thing that I was totally lost Emmy which I saw again the whole kind of counterculture and of San Francisco and not not changing of the body snatchers representing a kind of shift in hippie culture to more conservative culture that that was totally lost me watching it as a a child but I would just freak out I can swear on this podcast freaked the fuck out well. That's an amazing. I love that all right so what place has been particularly resonant for you probably Charlie Brooklyn Park Slope. Yeah did your father actually say it's the fillet of Brooklyn of the neighborhood. He made the great lights. If you've ever written he might have said that I love the fillet of the of Brooklyn are the neighborhood. He didn't say then it was something had said later This is a line from squid and the whale for those of you who are not aware there was a lion I quote quite a bit at the metro graph from. They just played all my movies and I sort of picking companion movie for each movie but they also made buttons with quotes from the movies the flavor of the neighborhood button. You Might WanNa go get the but we'll get you one. And what did you put squid and the whale with crooked quickly I see and and what did you put Meyrowitz with five easy pieces. That's excellent and what did you put say Kramer versus Kramer. What did you put marriage story with? Et Not Interesting that's a very interesting comparison. Will that was another movie. My father that that And we CA- ah work park slope into it. But I I cried so hard in that movie. I mean. It was like an experience in the movies that I I'd never had had before I am I to this. I'm still a very emotional moviegoer. I cry easily in movies and night but that felt like like I felt like real loss in that movie. I've felt like something very powerful and I kept going back. I saw that movie theater. I you know in those days when you count. How many times do you brag? I've seen nine you know or whatever but it broke star wars and then you have your records of like which movies you've seen the most and it broke star wars for me because I kept going back and I like I like almost looking for that hit of you know Tharcisse and is it still the one you've seen the most well I guess with. TV and stuff. It's hard to know but yes probably I mean certainly the most in the theater still but I was driving My father is driving US home home. Of course we lived in Brooklyn so we would drive to Manhattan. He would look for parking not not to spend a lot and it was up to leave at a certain time but he said to me You know about not he said you know in I remember. He said in a sense E. T. is like a surrogate father for Elliot and It was one of the things like as is of course. I hadn't thought of the movie that way but it just made brought a whole new wave of sadness over and you loved. Et I love DT. Yeah community the character. I love the character and you loved Elliot. I loved Elliott. I've worked with Carol Littleton. Who she cut Margaret the wedding with me? She had cut E. T. and I so I was asking her questions about it and she kept saying how they they had to cut around. The puppet was clearly a puppet and I was like I don't WanNa hear let's just remember reading articles about how he did the voice and how it was like six different voices put together right. It was debra winger and somebody else versity mccambridge. This was was was the exorcist right. He also used her voice to there was like a bunch of liked her cracking voice. Yeah that's amazing it I know I I even after she told me that. When I've seen it since I I don't see a puppet puppet in jaws either in Nopal say all the time don't watched on TV because you'll see that it's a fake shark? But so tell me about Brooklyn. Did you live in Brooklyn from the time you were born. Yeah essentially we I was when I was was born they lived in Brooklyn Heights on state street but just for like a year and then we moved to sterling place which is on the other side of flatbush avenue from. I'm from Park Slope and I was there we were there till I was about six and then we moved to park slope and then I was slow till till I went to college through when I went to college but and you saw a lot of changes. I saw a lot of changes although and and I and I mean I shot squid in the whale there. I've shot a lot of shop movies. That are very specifically park slope. I've also shot not just in park slope because I like brings back. This sort of you know kind of puts me in a creative did you. Were you the kid that was shooting films. It just for fun before you made real films. Yeah I I Well I I kind of the the kind of camcorder coming in and so I I would. We've made a lot of movies on camcorder. And then I I I would edit them edit them with we we we my my friends. VCR and we connected the ended them between tapes on VCR and we one of the machines just broke in the middle because it was so it was to load and it was not a particularly precise way to edit anything. Talk here were they more like explosions and stuff they were. They were combination they were. They were pretty talkie. But they were there was some kind of humor like aspect to them. There was One of them a friend of mine played like a it was like a mock documentary. where he he played like a It was a lot of. It's in Spanish. She he played sort of like a mob mobster and it was sort of like a story of his life but it was. It wasn't really action in it. It was just more like. Oh we're trying to do some jokes and things There's a lot of jokes with the interpreter. Like like what he was saying versus. What as I remember it see immediately saw yourself as a director or you initially saw yourself as a writer I saw myself is S.? Both I mean I think one of the reasons I thought to talk about my father was I really did. Once I started seeing movies I really did it. Think and communicate in terms of even in terms of movies. Even if I wasn't making them I would talk about movies. Like a how this would work. Its way into a movie or I. I would kind of talk movies affor- I could make them say sort of deconstruct them in your mind. And he would do the same we would we. We'd come up with alternate endings. Two movies we would always should have ended here or you know what if or or there was a lot of trying to improve movies. That didn't quite work for us or or or books For I read the Natural Bernard Malamud Book On my father's recommendation. I was a big baseball fan into as was he well. Weirdly weirdly in this is again very much says a lot about my father. My relationship was I I'm I'm a red sox fan because my father was a you're gonna stay with me and my father was a Brooklyn Dodger Fan. Who became a met Fan? So I I I I five six when I I was being introduced to baseball. I like the mets. 'cause my dad did the mets were terrible in the seventies and I. My father was such such a bad sport that I got so angry at the Games that I felt. I wanted my own team to separate a little bit. Could be in that head space the turmoil so but the Yankees were no longer an option because we hated them because the the Brooklyn dodgers and the mets was so I picked the red sox as a kind of like sort of a mets counterpart because there was a little bit of that Lake. The friend or the enemy of my friend is my enemy. They were anti-g Yankees so therefore they were pro. The mets and red sox compan- the Red Sox were cursed which at the time and Of course all of this coincided with the mets beating the red SOx nineteen eighty six in the world series which I was a terrible blow to me through bill buckner is legs and Terrible blow just anyway but also knowing this other path I could have taken. I could have just been in a mets fan. Why am I a Red Sox? Fan since been vindicated. I've now it's now. They win every few years. It's it's a new era. Do you love obvious. Stransky when trump's key Fred Lynn. Jim Rice Twice Evans I loved. I hope Dwight Evans Dwight Evans says backup for. Maybe the hall of fame and I hope he gets in the hall of Fame Great Rightfielder and then later I love you know like Roger Clemens in Wade boggs and that era too but I think of it I say one thing about slow maybe before we is is still very close friends who we all my friend who lived across the street. We lived the Montgomery place and he lived directly across the street and then our other friend live directly behind him on Carroll Street so they could talk over the fence the backyard art and so we all became friends in this line and they're still might some of my closest friends are much part of my life in their all molest night at the the premiere the Paris. Yeah it was great. I loved the movie. Yes they did some of them seen it already at the New York Film Festival but we but we played a lot of wiffle ball in the street. And and just that whole life It was interesting in a way it felt. I was thinking about this last night actually with the Paris and that movie theater revived. Yes that that will. Netflix has revived on my behalf. It's a beautiful theater it is. It's it's amazing and I was just thinking about sort of that kind of Manhattan and I so I watched it what from afar in Brooklyn. It felt so far away. At that time time I felt when I talked to Greta about her Sacramento for her. How she looked at you? Know Manhattan maybe how you felt about a two or how how west I talked to from Houston Hatton Familiar Manhattan. Felt to me like going to magic. Yeah Yeah and that's how it felt to me from Brooklyn even though I could visit I couldn't I never felt close to it in any way and it felt like a long long way away and and and you know. I think there's still a part of me that lives in Manhattan because I can and I don't know now everybody's in Brooklyn so it's it's all gone backward but My brother and his wife just moved back to park slope to and I really am and so I like going there too and it's still I still get. It's a AH gray hit of something when I walk around that neighborhood and it's changed dramatically. It has but because part slow has so many it's so residential essential. So much of it too. Is that those streets. Don't change. They really do feel very much they were and and even seventh avenue still has some of the same. It's it's how it's expanded it's expanded so much fifth avenue and Sixth Avenue are totally different than like we never walk. We wouldn't go past seventh avenue. We were it was too dangerous so we would end. You wouldn't go the past like third or fourth or Fifth Street now. People talk about living on Fourteenth Street or something and I couldn't even fathom I mean even it's remarkable bowl to me now how close everything in Brooklyn is at least in that area not Williamsburg to park slope but by Park Slope Brooklyn Heights. I to me. I think it didn't quite realize you could really walk it. I I would always take the of course in those days. You're taking the train by yourself. Way Too young and I think that's so great about growing up in New York that you have that freedom that you can take the train by yourself. I see like five seven year olds on the train by themselves. Sometimes I know I kind of love that and now it's sued him so much safer than than was there was a good chance you get mugged so we have to go to thing because they're going to come knocking. Yes yes sorry I love talking to talk to you all day but unfortunately you have a busy life. The thing I was Gonna I wanted to talk about was the Joe Meyrowitz photograph which won the The one the camel emel coats You know with a couple from their photograph from behind as they're walking across the street away from us and they both have these camel coats and they're these shadows shadows Their shadows that come up. There's some other shadows that are also coming in from other people and there's this team and the period roughly it's the seventies probably like smack in the middle of the seventies and also special. Greta got me. and Oh as uh-huh give as a gift and it's funny because it's in our apartment and people often sometimes people will ask if that's us. I mean look closely. It's kind of funny to think it's us but is a blonde woman in a sense. Essentially a dark haired man in these coats and the cuts matching. Well they. They're they're they're the same color I mean. It's it's one of those things where you can't believe he got all those things at once that this is a But it it's like a constantly alive image and it also I'd mentioned it before she got it for me because it was a an image. I think I somehow saw as a kid. You know either museum museum or parents probably a book of his and it felt to me like adulthood. I mean sort of goes to what you're saying about park slope in Manhattan collect. It felt to me like the those that that's grown up world in Manhattan and then as I got older I really love. I love a lot of street photography and I particularly love stuff shot in New York ground. The love winner grand and so later later and I and I love any movie when that shot in New York. Even if the movie's not very good if it's like Old New York and you get to see it i. I'm always just very taken with that. I always The something always exciting and kind of comforting to me about it is a j D Salinger story where he talks exa camel hair. Can't remember the two nine stories which you probably know intimately and one of the guys touches this girl's camel hair and says you. You can't really get good camel hair anymore since the war right back right and I always think about that. Because it's very empowering moment sort of a nerdy girl all right right tennis dress with a camel hair coat which one is a One of the lesser one. Still one of them. Yeah it'll come back to me in a minute but it's not uncle weekly and it's not for as May it's one of the ones in the middle there somewhere but it's I always liked it. I they always remind me of your movies and a wonderful way even before you called Meyrowitz and other stories a j d salinger always seems like a world that feels very noah Baumbach to me. Yeah I mean I integrate way. Yeah I mean Very Holden Caulfield in that movie. It's funny I don't know if this is still true. But reading Catcher catcher in the Rye you know when I first read it I guess he was older. Golden Coffee was older than me. So it was that feeling of reading about MHM more grown up person. Which of course is a funny way to look at that book? You know because it's so much It wasn't until later that I really realized it's you. You know that that they were capturing this kid because in a sense it felt like a more grownup way to be for me exactly now so it seemed very New York Yeah Been Lan. Reading those books was like what a Pepsi Prep. I mean I know when I had no idea what a prep school I didn't. Either I know relationship to that world ruled that all know anyone who went to prep school. I mean I'd I'd heard of it. I've got behind It was like you needed help. Like reforms forms that no. I didn't that part of it. Didn't the Manhattan of it was interesting to me in a romantic to me and and the you know the the characters were but not the the world was always somewhat confusing to me or confounding to the Fran Zoe the sort of leisure in it. So it's kind of a little bit confused by but I went fascinated by to the upper east side of it. Yeah but I always loved stories of that. I mean I love the didn't actually reference marriage story but the in Stuart Little the whole Ambriz side of stuart little and living the mouse living in that world. But that Yeah The New Yorker the what what things would turn up in the New Yorker the right with that would feel like both familiar and fantasy at the same time region Eh. So what incident in your life is not good. That turned out to teach you something. Well maybe your parents divorced I. Well my parents divorced certainly could be one I was GONNA say the the time between made kicking screaming and then I made Mr Jealousy and great great and after Mr Jealousy I found myself a little bit lost in. It took me a long time to make another movie. And it's one of those stories that when when I've talked about I have the comfort of now having these invasive yes in retrospect to say like well I learned so much and all that but it's I mean it's true but it was a real struggle for me at the time and it was. It was very why do you think well I I because you work so quickly now. We'll appears that way. There's like a line in Frances. Ha that I think about which is something can. She's asked what she does and she goes but she's Samantha says she says I don't really do it and I felt I felt a little bit of a certain point like I don't even know if I'm filmmaker anyway. I mean I made these two movies but I. I wasn't able at the time and to make another one. I was an and of course because you couldn't write one because I'd written I've written some ones that didn't couldn't I couldn't get money for mister. Jealousy had not had kind of gone sort of fizzled in terms of its. It didn't really happen in a way you know. Kicking screaming had had response. Yeah Nice Nice response and but Mr Chelsea kind of just was for whatever reason it just sort of disappeared and it was almost like you know I think think for for people in the business around me. It was almost like it didn't happen and so I kind of I at the time. So much of the my motivation ovation was to make another movie. What happened without my realizing it was an and I wouldn't? I started seeing therapist. You know in some ways because contra more consciously about this frustration with my career and data today but it was of course then the work in therapy that of course became personal work and not couldn't he couldn't solve my career problems Maybe he helped in some way. Well he did and I think it was the personal work that of course in how I changed as a person and how I kind of grew up and it's it's kind of found myself a little bit that when I did have the opportunity to again with squid I was kind of ready for it but if you would ask me. You know at that time. I'd be like I'm totally ready for it. You know and I think it was lucky it happened. Although it was really a hard time I mean I i. I know Frau Long we talking about a year to you know it was it was I mean it was close to I mean Mr. Jealousy was made in ninety seven. And then I made aide Squid in two thousand and four so it was like seven years but squid quickly took a long time squid squid. I started writing after I was in therapy and I started writing. It probably probably around like two thousand one or so so it's still took a long time even after it was written to get made but it also was a process of of being able to write it and I'd written some other scripts that weren't they were kind of more conventional. I thought maybe I should try to do something more commercialized. I liked. I had all this sort of stupid like looking for anything to kind of change my fortune away. You know that if like I and and but you never took another. You never took a job for pay. No you are very disciplined that way. Because I even then I didn't have I didn't I feel I a kind of relationship with that kind of way of doing it and so I'm sure you were offered things I was some. Yeah I mean I was offered some things things that Like but I never I just didn't I still sort of saw believed in myself in a certain way way that I was in could be this personal filmmaker and I felt like what I could write for myself. I could best serve in a way as a director but was you know it was also that kind of sort of pigheadedness which could not served me too. But I I if I hadn't sort of like done the work on myself in a way if that makes sense I mean I I But that was it was hard. It was hard to. I mean. It's it's you know. I'm asked about autobiography my movies a lot. But it's it's interesting because I like Francis High. Yeah I get s less about it because people assume it's grabbing but actually that time of that being twenty seven and being lost and feeling like you were you know that you identified yourself a certain way and suddenly. You're not able to do it the way she can't dance. I related related to Very strongly I love that movie I love and I love The one after it too. I think it's one of the greatest. Just characters ever created mistress. America's this America is really she's one of the great characters ever invented. I Brooke of known. A lot of Brooks We all have but there is something kind of what you did what I think you consistently do. is you take someone who could be seen seen in a negative light and twist the prison so that it's both I mean you get the negative. It's not it's gone but it somehow also the captivating debating qualities emerge and. That's a very difficult thing to do consistently you have a good. I think you have a very good heart that way there is. Is this sort of love that you have for the character the monster. But she's also a completely intoxicating monster and and because it's Greta. It's it's even yeah. She's the intoxication is. It's that much stronger. I of course will. It's it just captivating I mean she's fascinating but at the same time. How much time would you really want to spend with Brooke right well? It's that thing in those relationships. You know that we you know Paul get into in in many different forms throughout our lives. That are a that are with people who are somehow both a someone might use the word toxic or or unhealthy but there are incredibly seductive and seductive particularly for you. I mean we all have those relationships with people to you see someone you know why we're also have you know so much. I think we know so much better than everybody else about the relationship there in. But it's like the the the the that thing of of you know I'm always so interested in like who's radar catches what some people are like. You know have great radar and I and and would never kind of except you know or or or fall for a person that we might be total suckers for and then vice versa. Then and then something happens with them and you're like how could you not see that coming you know but it's like why do you keep going back. Yeah why do you keep going back. And it's it's it's interesting and I I do find that interesting and in movies and as characters is is is creating those kind of dynamics and why people you know Greenberg and Florence Orange. Why do people find themselves in these dynamics? That are you know from the outside. You'd say like Oh that's so unhealthy or whatever but it's it you. There's something there seduction that too. There's something or compelling anyway and so what's your purely happy incident and your life really happy incident. Well I think I mean movie wise Personally I graduated from high school or something this particular Well I was a say you know working with Greta. I mean knowing grab meeting Greta but working together with her on Francis and also also meeting atom on Francis. I mean both that movie in a way has has. It's sort of two. I'd say to my most important collaborators but also to Migrate Friends And you know I knew before Francis but working that way together there was joyful and you at all nervous because sometimes that can be difficult. It will we weren't a couple and so we were but still having any kind of collaborator. You're used to working on your own. Yeah well we kind of it found its natural this sort of natural. I don't know what it called. Call the mega parameters that SORTA faller barriers. That followed were I. I know she was very much an actor in the movie but also because she co authored a cheap you know she was very much approach. The shorthand was there. She knew the whole movie so well obviously and and then having Adam come in and sort of having him to also also in some ways do the lines as if he kind of had invented them in some way to I mean it's it's that I think the thing would both both of them were. I felt like this immediate familiarity. But then when they're performing their doing something also that is that in a sense almost sort of Adam issues this sort sort of notion of benign rebellion as as acting. But there is that sort of thing that they're almost rebelling back. You know but in the way that that the material needs needs it. That's where the aliveness is. That's where the what what you you require from an actor but I think it changed how I mean meeting Greta. Change how I have changed how I solved the world in a Lotta ways to I mean and and she has like I always i. I felt a real familiarity which I think we recognize each other but also a I always felt like I wanted to be better for her. Are Hackers like this. The same thing about you know. Well that's nice. I think I better because you taught her all these things. Well it's I I think I guess maybe that's that's good is that we both thought were learning. It's great I'd maybe we were both Mantech. Yeah it's very romantic to work with someone you're involved with to me. That's a very romantic thing and scary because it almost you you know. It's hard to imagine what if you fight or what if something goes wrong. Does that concern you ever will. It's sort of what I put in. Marriage story was the fact that they work together. Because I did feel it raised the stakes in a way that that made it. You know that that she says Muse. And Yeah and collaborator and there is this sort. The feeling of of of not only is this relationship you know over over as they as they certainly as they no it. So is this real you know. They're on their own. And it's like a band breaking up or something like you know. Now you're GonNa get you know. Imagine Ram you know both really brilliant records record but solar records. I'm always interested in. I Love Beatles Solo records because I do think there's something about the because the Beatles are sort of in the sense like so fully formed and there. Is this sort of thing of like you. It's hard to to almost like you not to unpack it. It's like it's it's just like it's like beauty you know it's a cycle the air and then when they're performing when they're doing doing their own things there is that thing like. Oh you see you get to see inside it in a way that you couldn't there's I think careers are so interesting. That way afflict people's careers like Bergman as a quote about after persona the movie after persona which is hour of the wolf which she said which been persona was so well received received the media classic and then our the Wolf I guess at the time people really and he said I understand what they were saying. You know about certain things about it and you know He said but it was an unsteady step in the right direction. And I think that's a beautiful way to describe like what's necessary in a career. Is this sort of like searching and finding and you know and I love movies and records by people were you feel them between Things because you do see it in a way that you don't see it otherwise persona I I think as a masterpiece and it's near perfect movie and I found it almost almost impenetrable for that reason because it's so mysterious and that's why it makes it. A great movie is that I watch it and I get something new every time but I don't the watching like our the wolf in passionate of Anna and shame that come after it where you see sort of this other. It's the imperfection that makes them so interesting and sometimes even almost learn more. Because you're you see what they're figuring out and it makes it more. Sometimes you know those ones I will keep returning to for that reason. I don't know how I got on that. Beatles love that one more thought though so like Bergman and like other directors you kind of work with similar people like Adam and various others mickey in various people show up again and again is that Dean Wareham. Yes exactly who was in a bad luna galaxy five hundred minimum broke up and accorded with his wife. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He's coming into my brain and weird ways do you. I like that. Is that easier. Do you find that something. You always strived for I mean Jesse. Eisenberg hasn't come back but I'm waiting you work with Jesse see again. Yeah I you know. It's kind of sad movie three. Actually it was a news in Alexa Adams. In what four four and our young gradison three of them and I love it. I mean I think it's kind of my fantasy when I started making movies. Was You know and I actually did it. From kicking screaming to Mr Jealousy. I used a lot of the same people again but I think in a lot of cases it's very the winter more. What's the women vary more than the men I guess so maybe not quite as Greta? Yes yes hi replace. No she is She's a one off a unique unique. But I in some cases crew is I I use people again because I think I was living with that fantasy of like I found my group and everything and I wasn't. They weren't necessarily the right people for for me and I think sometimes you you can't force that on you know you have to really find those things for real and know when they are for real. 'cause you know not unlike these falling for these relationships we're talking about you. Radars not catching but and again why think about Adam and Greta and Francis being kind of a happy thing that was because I feel like that you're people found my people and and but I I also think that again depending on the project and some projects I think the familly familiarity goes back to park slope even like shooting in New York. There are some movies that feel like that. Familiarity in in those ways is is is an inorganic part of the material and important for the material. And then there's there's some movies reason subjects where I feel like it kind of needs something new. You know. You don't want you need to get out of that you know and you mix it up a little bit and maybe bring new is in new way to bring in you know work with the different cameraman for the first time or something working with Robbie and Meyer Whitson Marriage story. was you know. Oh exciting for me because I he and I have together and found sort of new things and new ideas have come from that that that wouldn't would necessarily have happened about kept working with the same people as good as the other people were. Well I think that's it. Congratulations on your movie. Thank you very happy you did this. South Sir thank you for listening to w magazine's five things with me. Then Hershberg days podcast was produced by Cheyenne Assadi and Michael Becker recorded by destiny. 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Noah Baumbach on his film Marriage Story. Plus: everything you need to know before the Oscars

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Noah Baumbach on his film Marriage Story. Plus: everything you need to know before the Oscars

"Hello you're listening to Culture Kyle Transatlantic Conversation from the Financial Financial Times. I'm Gazelle to Mary Brown in London. And I'm Lila Raftopoulos in New York and this is the first episode of season. Two coming up today. Hey I felt like exploring the end of a marriage by throwing an egg on the floor and seeing what's inside that I could actually find ways to actually talk about out the relationship in in a kind of general and also and also tell a kind of love story Lila here. We are back in the studio. We're back how does it feel It feels so good. Feels very cozy in my little Audio Oh booth in the middle of the newsroom and really feeling enveloped in a hug. Great how are you yeah fine. I'm wrapped up in lots of layers because poverty the fact that I've got lots of rim. Here's it's absolutely freezing in the studio and this season. I'm not taking any chances of literally a blanket. Oh good today. Show is a little bit of a movie special ahead of the Oscar's we have noah Baumbach on yes in Noah Baumbach is known for his offbeat New York comedies films like the Squid and the whale Francis Harm Mistress America. And I'm sure lots of people have seen his latest film marriage story which has been nominated for lots of awards and stars Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson and after sure that we have the FTC's new film critic Danny Lee on the show. I'm very excited for this. He's going to be giving us his take on this year's Oscar nominations And he's also gonNa tell us a little bit about what it's actually like to be a film critic. My sense is that it's less romantic and amazing. Then everybody thinks but Woolsey yes. We have lots of questions for Danny about that for sure. So it's been a while things have changed for you. Tell me what you've been up to. Yeah Yeah I have a new job and I now on the F. T. Weekend magazine editing stories. I love the yeah which is like a dream job. I can't quite believe it's real but it is and also of pieces quite photography based the most recent one is by right accord ECO action who is brilliant and and it's about this exhibition could masculinity which is about to open at the Barbican and it's all amount photographers who are exploring the nature of being a man and what that means. So I'll all linked to that in our show. Yeah other than that the two things. I've really enjoyed recently. And that I wouldn't recommend that both old pieces of our ought what the somehow feel fresh and feel now and I think that's why they spoke to me The first was an exhibition. I went to Is An artist. Charlotte Solomon. I'd never heard of her before. It's at the Jewish Museum in London. It's only on for another month but it's really good and such a revelation. Charlotte Solomon was a German Jewish artist. I who was born in nineteen seventeen. She died in Auschwitz in nineteen forty three so that I mean how life was very short. She was twenty six when she died and she was actually five months pregnant and real sadness to historians kind of hangs over the whole show and yet it's very beautiful and very it kind of hopeful and joyful and in some ways you kind of walk along looking at. I think it's over two hundred small painting. Oh well it's a bit like looking at a visual diary of her life it starts with childhood and goes until before she died. It's called life or theater and it's basically it's about how life was difficult. Life has a history of mental illness in family But it's also about her finding her voice as an artist and growing in confidence and particularly as a woman. Artist has a mixture of text and painting. They liked little Goulashes is like reading a book. That's been unbound and just put on the walls. Each page is probably four. I think the joint looks like it's done quite quickly you but it's really kind of fresh so this idea of life and life or theater and I guess kind of life an theater. It's about autobiography and made me think about auto fiction and the interview that I did Ben Lerner at the end of last year. And the idea of turning your life into a story and using art as a way of making sense of your life life. I think that's kind of what she was doing. And she was in these really difficult circumstances and channeling that into kind of creative expression and sort of playing being with the boundary of herself as a real artist and the character. He's on the page. The yeah that's amazing. So what's your second recommendation. My second thing is uncle Vanya the checkoff play and it's a new adaptation Just opened on right. The draw of this production is an actual Toby Jones. Google him if you don't know his name you'll definitely recognize his face. Yes he played Truman capote in infamous. He was in the hunger games. If that's of interest I think he was in Harry Potter. Yeah for the low brow people among us he is. He's a brilliant actor. Yeah so he plays Vanya guy who's kind of late middle age-ish Looking looking back on his life feeling very disappointed Taibbi Jones was very angry and funny and impassioned but it wasn't just good because he was so good is basically apply like all Chekhov which is about this family in decline. They're dealing with lots of various disappointments and everyone sort of in love with the wrong person somehow managed to feel really really fresh and really funny. It's a new translation by A playwright Conor McPherson and it just they were saying things that definitely were anachronistic critic like what we're like toby just be like Oh stop whining. On which Sir like on Chekhov and somehow it works folks like fell. You could really relate to these people who shopped in this horrible situation in this house and just just being able to each other. So what have you been up to well a lot. What has happened Grizz since we left each other in December some good some bad? I got an impulsive upper ear-piercing. Everything's fine it looks. Great in the pitches riches. A thank you. I have two things to tell you about one jagged little pill the Alanis Morissette Musical is excellent And everybody should see it. It's a jukebox musical. Which you know is a style of musical where you just get hit after hit? But it's not about the artist says just like using communiqu in a different story exactly so it's in the same vein of Mama Mia or beautiful the carole king musical. But it's the best version I've ever seen so basically. It's the story story of a family in suburban Connecticut who is trying and failing to be happy and as one of my friends put it. It's kind of about everything. It's about every social issue. It's about addiction. It's about homophobia it's about global warming adoption issues the metoo movement racism like in some places it feels slightly heavy handed and a little bit of an after school special but it was totally delightful And you know a lot more set I mean I have older sisters who loved her and her songs are all a Gut Punch yes. I also came to her. I guess kind of late but I just loved it. I mean even before I knew it's going to say even before I knew a heartache was but there was something about listening to honest more so when you ten and thinking wow right right right right. I can't wait till my first break up when I can fully appreciate this. There is also an incredible rendition in this play of you ought to know that led led to a standing ovation in the middle of the play. The perfect version is like when you go down on you. So he speaks can have. I'm sure Baker which I don't think I've ever seen I mean they definitely don't do that in inland. Basically I've never even seen a standing ovation in London. Americans love to throw those around. I recommend you see it invite me. I'll go again with you. It was amazing. I have also been reading. A book called UNCANNY Devali by Anna Weiner I've heard about this yet. It's kind of everywhere right now. It's a memoir and her first book and she tells the story of being broke twenty five year old working at a literary agency in New York and then she gets a job at a tech startup in Silicon Valley and moves over and she sort of like the exact writer. You would want to make fun of that world She's really like the only word I can think of is daft. You know. Like she's a very cutting writer and she sort of sums up a lot of the themes that we talk about here. You know she talks about the infinite scroll of our social platforms were viral. Chicken recipe is above a terrorist attack. Doc and how everyone has become sort of curatorial even the books we read. It's kind of clear that we're all just addicted to all the same parts of the Internet and are repeating each other's unique. Nick vis that our identities are starting to mirror each other. You know we're all just like a perfectly crumpled bedsheet with a low maintenance plant next to it in a ceramic beautiful uh-huh I feel so seen I know I know but then also that sort of the tech world is like that but like extremely and and scarily optimized is. Two new books should be shorter because we should be optimizing every moment of our time and her saying why does technology to ruin everything. I love is sort of a conflict between lake. Take our end tech. Okay I really WanNa read it. I'm adding it to the list. Thank you Lila A. Yeah thank you now. Grizz tell me about Noah Baumbach. I mean he's obviously all the rage. Everyone is talking about marriage urge story. But why did you want to speak to him. I've been wanting to interview Noah Baumbach for what feels like quite a few years on the first film I soar of Hayes was I. Think Francis Har- In one thousand twelve. Have you seen a I have yet. It's brilliant So he coat that with Greta. Gerwig who stars in it and who later became November ex partner of course and she's now director of little women fame really impalement. Talk about later. Unbelievable yeah they hold that for Danny Francaise. How felt quite different to me? At the time from the other sort of things I was watching its lack white. It's kind of Grinchey and bitty he I think he was quite inspired by the French new wave cinema of the nineteen sixties. So it feels kind of old and yet feels very then of the moment and kind of charming. Twenty twelve was around the same time that I started watching girls which we of course the Lena Dunham. HBO show that was really big at that time. And it's pretty much the same kind of like younger lost in Brooklyn trying to wash wants to do with her life and yet Francis felt to me just much more real and and kind of unresolved and I think true to actually bought that feeling of being in your early twenty s being a bit lost is actually like it was kind of somehow or less glossy. Yeah I totally agree. I think the thing that that Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig do really well is very naturalistic. Dialogue it gets called mumble. Oh cool because people sort of know speaking very clearly and interrupting each other. It's funny that you talk about mumble core. I do remember that from his other films but marriage story it felt felt almost like a play about so true and so the plot is just that Adam drivers character Charlie is an upcoming theatre director and he seems really passionate and and focused and ambitious and he's married to and in the process of being divorced from Scarlett Johansson's character Nicole who is an actor in his theater company and her. Her career has taken a bit of a sideline to his so. She started her career strong but she's become a bit loss. She's trying to work out what she wants. A mother and a wife and human And and they have a very cute son who is eight years old and they live in my neighborhood in Brooklyn I feel like all of Noah Baumbach Soames of probably set in your neighborhood in Brooklyn the I knew Yeah I mean those two central performances Scott Johansen and Adam driver are amazing but the film also has a really I think incredible cost beyond that. I mean Laura dern plays Nicole's La divorce lawyer. She's incredible she's so good. I mean I was trying to describe why what she psych and I think like she's like a beautiful purring pussycat he's kind of playful and seductive but like fierce when she how close Out Wigs exactly. She does in the courtroom. Yes she also has this moment where she's trying to get Scarlett Johansson to open up to her so she sort of kicks off her heels and tucks her feet under her bed and sort of like asks her to girl talk about her relationship and then suddenly you realize that she's going to be kind of using it against Adam driver ever very quickly like this is all just a ruse. She does it every time. Yeah she's just think information basically She has like the perfect highlights. It's yeah and she won the best. She won the Golden Globe for best supporting actress. She's also nominated for the same award the Oscars. I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted. Immune is an incredible credible performance. I've noticed that divorce seems to be a big theme. In Noah bombecks films. I'm thinking of the squid and the whale specifically. Yeah I mean that one I think has come up a lot when people have been talking and thinking about marriage story He made the squid and the whale in two thousand and five and it's modeled on his own parents. Divorce Squid is really. We seen through the eyes of a teenage boy I think is. I'm quite a thinly disguised portrait of Nuremberg himself whereas obviously marriage store. You're seeing a divorce through you. The is that the people getting divorced And I and it's been it's been speculation. That marriage story is inspired and that way by November own divorced voice from Jennifer. Jason Leigh in twenty thirteen. What else did you talk about? Sides Film itself we also talked about the perceived war between net flicks and the old school of cinema personified by institutions like the canned film festival. Yeah can you explain that to me briefly. I don't really understand. I mean I know there is sort of a one versus the other but I don't totally really get it basically can if you want your film to be in competitions if you want it to be able to win an award which some films that just playing there and that's fine but if you want it to win an award it has to be shown shown in French cinemas and as Lauren Franz that if you show it in French cinemas you then have to wait for three years before it becomes available on the streaming platform. Oh my God so do that doesn't really suit. Netflix is needs very well right. Well I'm glad it went well and I can't wait to hear the conversation so let's get into it. No thank you so much becoming uncomfortable. Thanks for having me so you feel. It's cool marriage story but it's really about the end of a marriage about working out the terms of the divorce Scarlett Johansson and Adam Dry. Play these two kind of very flawed but essentially I think kind of decent kind kind people who are nevertheless being very awful to each other. I wondered whether you're more interested in how people behave if when they're in difficult situations when they're put in pressurized situations like that then when kind of in an extensively good happy arrangement well I think dramatically adequately in narrative sometimes when something is cracked open it does give you an opportunity to explore the thing itself. I felt like exploring at the end of a marriage by throwing egg on the floor and seeing. What's inside that? I could actually find ways to actually talk about the relationship in kind of general way and also so tell a love story. What I love about? Charlie Charlie is undaunted he never lets other people's opinions gins or any setbacks. Keep him from wanting to do. Charlie eats like he's trying to get it over with and Columbia enough food for everyone a sandwich is to be strangled while devoured reformer but he's incredible knee and I rely on him to keep things in order. They're married while they're getting divorced so it's a very strange situation for them to find on themselves because this sort of process of it is by design dividing them but it also is preventing them from being able to leave each other and of course because they share child. They're never going to be able to fully leave each other. And that's the nastiness of Iran and that's the message of it so that narrative -Ly I found very compelling you know when I researched this movie and talked to many couples have gone through divorces I also started to talk to many couples who who are still married And happily married in marriages that have gone for quite some time and it was equally relevant for the story. Worry because it's the same weather it ends or dozen end doesn't change the marriage the fact that it was a marriage and I think people often think of in a marriage on the one hand divorce on the other these things as being opposite you're either married or divorced but actually there's of course a spectrum the deciding to get divorced is is one in the line of decisions that remake right absolutely. Yeah and and I think divorce and we see this in the movie certainly because of the the legal system Charlie Nicole Heff to navigate it can create real feelings of failure and shame in and that can feel is you're saying like will will that negates the good that Procedure is inadequate. Yeah Yeah and when of course what I wanted to show is that it was and it still is even if it's in the past. When I watched the film I was reminded of something that an English novelist could Rachel KOSC about divorce and she says that in a sense as well as the awfulness is also a kind of liberation because in divorcing you're abandoning the kind of traditional traditional family script and the narrative as it should be which can be quite constrictive? I wonder whether you agree with that. And whether that's true a tool Italian Nicola in this film I really like Rachel cupcakes writing and as you say that I think it's it may even been a note. I took underlined who was reading and when she's talking about divorce I thought was very It was after I'd already was. I think I was editing. The movie when I was when I was reading but And I think that can be true. I mean I think I mean as we see in the movie. It's necessary for Nicole and Nicole. Is there in the beginning looking for the momentum Bantam that she needs to leave and note says something friend of mine who was going through divorce. It said to me that you can't leave without momentum and I found that very moving and you know because I think for the person who needs the momentum that can create guilt you know sort of by design feel selfish. Because you're doing something for you you not for the marriage away and I think in that though there is that liberation that was always built into the structure of it is that Nicole is there. She's at Her most emotional quite early in the movie and she has her her monologue in her story to Nora. I mean and that's that's a divorce lawyer. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I heard it in their divorce. Lawyer's office that's all in the first half of the movie. In the beginning I was the actress the star. And that's that's like something you know. People came to see me at first but farther away from that and the more claimed the theater company on I had less and less wait. I'm just became. Who Oh you know the actress that was an thing that time and he was the draw? And that's fine but I got smaller I mean I sort of thought. Well the story on one hand is about a woman building herself back up and finding Boyce and about a man breaking himself down losing Boyce Encino and and And how they handle this. I mean there are many kinds of genres. Is that it kind of inherent in this story but there are movies that I love this college genre subject to whatever it is but but movies about like a love that cannot be you know I mean I. I love brief encounter Casablanca. Even is this. I mean it's IT and And I've had some people say to me like oh I wanted ended them to be together at the end or something like that and I think yes but that's what this is you know and and and there is pleasure in these movies because of that ache because it feels right. Yeah having seen marriage dry went back and watch the squid and the whale film from two thousand and five and there was a scene that that stood out to me because it seemed to kind of Echo. Something Adam drivers character he gives Scarlett Johansson a note aged said of directors note after the final performance. And it's completely redundant because it's pointless to give someone or not and they're not going to perform the role again but he can't not do it and and in the squid and the Whale Jeff Daniels character essentially give some kind of writers note to his wife he says did you take my notes about the ending. And she's like well. Yeah she's doing heroin. Still die down. Your didn't take my note and I wonder if that's something that's like inherently controlling about directing in that sense is what Adam does controlling I in terms of those two movies. It's something that's actually occurred to me recently talking about the movie when I wrote the note seen in marriage story I wasn't thinking about the squid Noel L. notes in which it was either a good thing or it just means I only have a few ideas but I without really knowing I was looking back at my parents divorce in marriage story but I think I was sort of re approaching it from from the adult perspective. I mean squid was very much. It's it's principally from the kid's perspective you know there's so much emotion in that because we all still feel like children were and still are in some way. It's funny I found and watching squids heart. I'm a child of divorce and I and I think the parents are a less sympathetic in that film than they. They are in marriage story. I think a marriage store because your seeing it from that perspective for me. That was an interesting moment to see a divorce playing out from the inside right and not to view it from the child's point of view. which is what I pass and they have done it was kind of a wrench judge Lee but will say eye-opening? I was thought. The squirrels a story about family and about children and parents and you know in the case of the the older son in that movie. That's necessary moment comment of separation. That has to happen between kids and parents and and that divorce in some ways to can demystify parents for kids. 'cause you know with from a kid's perspective when a couple together that you have this unified front you kind of trust. They know best. And then somehow went in in the wake of A break-up it can expose flaws and but also their humanity real people real people. They start to see them that way. which is actually troubling when when you're younger yeah It's an important step though and so that is a story that was interesting to me. I found a marriage story as my sympathy was sort of constantly shifting between the two characters. Is that what you wanted to feel. As if you're yeah because of course nobody's more right or wrong. I wanted the audience in some ways. Be Able to actually the funny way to say it but take that ride in a way. I mean to have the experience view view as we naturally do his audience when we win. We're presented with the protagonist to you. Know it's hitchcock is brilliant at that. It's like if you if you you go with burglar into a building in and you're watching them try to gather as much valuables as they can and then the family comes home in there downstairs in the burglars. I figure out a way to get the building to where we're nervous now. We want them to get out because we're been with them. We've been presented. That perspective and movies do do that. I also felt it was a way for the audience to honestly arrive at the feeling that we all know rationally but but but emotionally. We can't always get there where these are to human beings who are doing the best they can who love their kid the still love for each other who it's Oh perspective but but it feels even-handed hair feels like we we spend time with the interior of each of them and I'm interested. I mean it's been. This film is being read both as autobiographical of your parents divorce but divorces well and did you feel like you were making a personal film innocence. Well I I I I. It's it's a very personal film. I mean all my movies are very personal. There was no but I. WHOA I I make the distinction between personal and autobiographical because it autobiographical? I would know how to make an autobiographical. I I've had ideas is for this movie for years. Now and and thoughts and lines and it's probably been written about four different notebooks and and it isn't till move until it sparks the imagination until the fiction is available to me that I can start writing Now it doesn't mean of course I might draw from You know my life and other people's lives. I mean I a friend who'd told me a story about how he had cut open his arm at a party with the exacto knife knife and and was so embarrassed that he tried to just play it off like it was fine and and you know he's fifty years old and has this terrible scar on his arm from and At this experience that was something I've had like wanting to mind and I didn't but I wrote that scene. I didn't know that that was gonna come into that scene. And that's something that Oh okay this thing that a and and that's how your friends have to be careful what they tell you. Well they do although he. He's so when you watched. I showed him this movie early on and he said he's like he's like at this point. I go to each one of your movies and I'm just waiting to see what from my life you've taken Bacon But it's funny the question of autobiography and I mean I understand it. But it's it's the movies only be as relatable as they are if they were fiction. Yeah you've been called the King of Indie cinema and I'm wondering what Indie means now has has the meaning of it changed changed has netflix and on the streaming platforms. Do you think they've kind of changed. The game of indie cinema. I I always. It's a it's a funny term. I'm never quite sure what I feel about the term indie cinema I in the past You know the notion of an independent independent film would be a film. That's financed by money. That's not coming from Warner Brothers or paramount. What I will say about net flicks is when I got got into the business? I I kind of always fantasized about the sort of having a home with you know you would read about like. Ua Studio is always sort of liked the the one that they would support filmmakers and let them make their movies. And it's okay if you make a weird one at some point we'll as long as the budgets are all right. We'll let you kind of follow your music. That way and flexing Netflix does feel I mean they they do truly love movies and they come at it as fans of movies and and and that's really meaningful for me say. Do you think that the kind of war with Account Film Festival in one side Nevis on the other is that overstated in the press. Does it matter to somebody who goes and sees a film. I mean is a complicated question because it's different in different countries is because France obviously has the three year gap and in America. There is now also this sort of this transition going on between the cinema chains. The big cinema chains will also insist on a three month window Not Quite as long as three years Between it playing in theaters but now that Netflix also has changed and you know we. We had had a month exclusively in theaters for marriage. During marriage stories of people got real opportunity people who wanna go to theater and they also rescued the Paris theater. which is I mean a conic theater New York which had closed it? Was the last single screen like old single screen theater in New York Doc. And they've they've taken it on which is amazing? The Irishman Marriage story are limited to where they can play because it's only independent. Cinema can play. That's going to change. I don't know how long it's GonNa take. I mean but everything is going on and as soon as technology changed and we could it all watch things on our phone I guess. In retrospect this was bound to happen and say this is an exciting time. Well it's confusing but it is exciting but I do feel very strongly about theatrical experience. I think it's a singular experience and I do think for me. It's important to talk about it in context of movies like marriage story story. It's always it's a event. Movies are always the ones that are sort of singled out of like as a theatrical we need theatre for I max and we can all turn chairs and beds Ed's and your e need hamburgers and watch movies on a big screen. I I feel the same way but there is a more nuanced argument about watching movies. That are you know. They're human stories in the theatre among people crying amongst people people laughing amongst people And also it. It's also just the fact that you can't change the channel or is your vulnerable also an open in a way that you aren't at home You know even if you don't pause it then watch the whole thing. You are aware on some level. That's possible in a way that you aren't when you watch a movie in the theater. Yeah I could hear people crying around me when I married story and there was something about that that was that it wasn't anything right on. Netflix can pause it in. Go take a break and come back and see it again which you know. I suppose it's fine if they need it but I if I do think the Catharsis you know I was watching I actually was watching the criterion channel which I love the What is is love and tour alike now had much? That movie in a long time also should be seen onscreen and the big screen and I started watching it and I was watching it and I. It just became aware of the fact that I was holding the apple remote the entire time I was watching it. I wasn't doing anything with it but I was holding it. Like some safety blanket. Like the eject busted the two can get out to. And that's not a good thing and if I was seeing it you know revival the house and in big screen. I'm sure I would be available in a different way than than I was sitting at home. No thanks so much much. No thank you well grids. That was really interesting. Really made me WanNa Watch the film again. Actually I've got a a lot of questions but I'm thinking before we start that as we discussed the interview we may mention the end of the movie It may be a little bit of a spoiler for people. We don't really think that the film film is really spoil so anyway. Proceed with that knowledge as a listener. Grizz did talking to know a change. The way you thought about him or his films. I mean I actually yeah I I won't I. I did watch the film again. Having spoken to him and I saw a bit differently. I mean partly because I found it hard the first time as I said to him but also also I think because I was thinking of what he said about how portraying a divorce is really a way of portraying the inside of a marriage And I really liked that and I kind of thought about it more about film about relationships and family as much as it being a film about divorce and I think I was so well how how funny. I really appreciate how funny it is. The second I watched it there were just some brilliant comic scenes. I also felt after listening to know a talk. Talk about it that I guess I had more sympathy for them. You know the interview really like drove that home for me that they're not monsters whose fault it is doesn't really matter are like the end of any relationship. It's just if it's not right. It's not right and you look back in a different point of view but really everybody's just doing the best they can. Yeah and it's interesting because I do think that's a human impulse to take sides or to decide who's Volta is not I think I I think my natural tendency was to find. Adam driver was to find his character really selfish and annoying and just wanted to give him a slab but actually there were also times haimes. You like what you say you see. He's just someone under a huge amount of pressure and he's just trying Yeah I also liked in the interview. What you talked about around kind of liking movies about a love that cannot be? You know. There's a pleasure that the AAC. There's a pleasure in the movies because of that ache part of what so same kind of special about that depiction of the marriages that so many people have experienced that that You know whose fault is it. It doesn't matter was it affiliate because it didn't work not necessarily. Yeah I think I think Noah Baumbach is really good get a portraying the eight I mean I think maybe what he does less well is portraying happy people happy. I think maybe just happy people learn more boring to portray. I was reading. I was reading some stuff. About marriage. Story and seven was quoting Anna Karenina. Tolstoy happy families families are all alike. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way and I kind of like that. It's just the just something interesting about digging into where things things go wrong and wildlife is difficult. Yeah do do you think they're in like no I think about that quote all the time. No will I feel like my family's extremely happy happy. Even though we ever like problematic like all families and I think like we're happy in our own way like it doesn't have to be unhappiness but I guess the reason I don't like that quotas because happiness unhappiness feels sort of like binary and simplistic right like you know. It's not it's not about whether you don't have to be very unhappy to be complicated and this movie is about So many different ways in which a relationship is complicated. Yeah no you're right it some an unhappiness can be complicated and adding I take it back. Sorry he knows that was interesting. I I felt that Noah didn't really answer your question about whether directors have to be controlling In the way that both husbands husbands are controlling and like give notes Both in squid and in marriage story I felt like his dodging. The question was kind of a form of control. Doc I think definitely I think an interview is like a little dots of control. You're trying to get something. That's Rhino withhold. Something you'll pushing a bit harder but not too hard you know it's It's is kind of the dynamics of that are interesting. Yes absolutely and it's funny. That at the end of the film Nicole becomes a director like she sort of gets the control control. She was looking. Yeah control over her life control over a cast. It was a nice place for the film to end another thing. That really stuck with me from your conversation with him is when he talked about all the different perspectives. You know the one the couple had of each other versus what they have now The one that the lawyers have of the relationship the one that the mother has of their relationship and the sister. Yeah in a break up or at the end of a marriage like everybody Suddenly gets permission to share their perspective on your relationship to write whether it would last how it seemed and it was. It was interesting to watch that. I mean you you see them sort of struggling with it right. You're both kind of grateful for the context there for being seen or the new framing but then also sort of hurt by hi it or protective of it like suddenly you're losing control of the narrative and others are building it for you. I mean there was that scene of the lawyers sort of fighting out the couple's most intimate moments in the courtroom using real fire. And it was totally reframing those moments into something that was almost unrecognizable to the scenes in which you saw the the moments. Yeah it was kind of weaponized wasn't it was taking these quite innocent things and turning them into like big oversights rate right and that felt particularly early heart wrenching to me But at the end you do feel that both of them respect each other and it's clear that they had their own relationship chip and they both know it and that sort of feels like a nice way for it to end as well. Yeah I love the ending. Yeah you know Grizz. I've also been thinking a lot. What about like why now? Why is this film making waves? Now how does it fit into the culture. And I can't figure it out honestly do you. What do you have any thoughts about that? Well I was thinking actually. It's basically basically the opposite of Uncanny Valley the book that you would like which is very now it's like I mean. There is nothing more timeless or universal than a break-up every adult pretty much has been through one or Helped someone I'm three one is incredibly common And so I feel like People's reactions to this film a very personal yeah. You can't not bring yourself to like I've just done you know yeah. Same it'll be interesting to hear how Danny Lee sees the whole suite of Oscar. Nominations Danny Lee welcome to culture. Call thank you for joining us. It's an absolute pleasure so before we talk talk about the Oscar nominated movies. I'm honestly just dying to know what it means to be a film critic as a job like what is your life like what is like an average week for you. It's beautiful job In so many ways I think there is a responsibility that comes with it as well. Some of that responsibility is actually communicating to the readers. Whether this film of these films are worth a time was their money. So there's a lot going on. And yeah and there's deadlines thrown into. I'm a little groggy. Because the day that we were recording this data I file my column And my my writing habits changed probably less than I would like or have expected to since I was an undergraduate student. So what defiling my copy. I am a little baggie either end of it. The kind of insider secrets the London press critic. You have the will be weeks where I live neatly Lee and in the kind of orderly fashion seen everything well ahead of time and composed my thoughts on an even less of an excuse to be writing in the last minute but there will also be moments where things things are kind of flying in at last moment. And you're watching in really quite big films on Tuesday afternoon and then you filing copy by Wednesday lunchtime so you you have to get your thoughts together quite quickly. I'd rather write about something having had a moment or two to sort of digest it I that makes sense. Yeah rather than that thing of just Keno. Which I've seen people do a lot which is literally bowling cinema ten minutes before the end credits see not just in order to get through review up quickly? Let's talk about the other films that are up up for awards. Danny nineteen seventeen won the golden globe. I mean do you think it's GonNa win the Oscar. I mean yeah I mean I suppose if I was Sitting in the back of the cab and the cabdriver off me I should put twenty quit on I would say nineteen seventeen. I mean I'm not good prognosticator. It's very impressive film. An impressive is such a weird and loaded term Does something called about impressive. Yes it is. I mean it's just it's very bold. It just doesn't necessarily mean a lot to you to be impressed by something very well told and very well made but it does also fail fail like you know if you go to the restaurant and the chef appears beside your table against talks you through the mail present you with the food. It feels a little bit like it feels like Sam. Mendis is just out of shot in pretty much every show just aware of what kind of astonishing achievement the film days after trump after trump. Just jump them. I haven't seen it yet. I really don't want to see it. I feel like I should see it right but I'm saying to my brother WHO's a camera operator or identify really want to see it. He was like Oh get over yourself. You haven't seen it yet. You shouldn't have an opinion and it's visually stunning goal. This steady Cavin Avenue whatever and yeah and that's all true. I think for film particularly a film about the first World War about human loss and the tragedy the battlefield. I think it should do. More than offer and macular groundbreaking steady cam. Work does do that and again get I mean. I love camera operators but from should have a broader appeal and and what about joker what were your thoughts on that you said in in your review. I think that it's an awful film for Awful Times I think you said that in an email. It's fine I mean I disagree with myself what's interesting about joker and there's there's a limited amount of stuff which is interesting about joker but what is the idea that it's yeah it's this incredibly Ghibli valeted. Acid commentary on wary are where we are as a culture now in in twenty twenty. But I think it's you know it's part of the problem and the idea that something. Which is I fundamentally? Vapid joker just seems to me at best to be really an assembly of museums. An assembly of online nuggets strong to I mean the the idea that I mean the idea that we're taking it seriously. The idea that we're talking about it now but it's interesting that people are taking us. They're saying this is the state of masculinity this is the kind of the movement or the this is the kind of mental health provisions in. And I mean it's it's trying to be weighty right well it does a character Ericka who has presented as very very severe mental health issues. I mean they WANNA have that conversation to kind of the. The level of profundity with which mental health is dealt with. Joker is infinitesimal. It's everything is it's taught Phillips's everything is a gag so that even something which has this era of very heavy handed solemnity and importance. It's all the hangover really. Yep I agree which sort of his other films the other one of the other contenders Martin. Scorsese's which sorry I watched on net flicks rather than in the cinema. which is as long as you start to where he wanted to as you sat there and actually watched it and didn't like every every fatty then it's part of my confession is I watched over about three different nights? which is definitely Noah intended? I just think it was too long. I think three nights is fine. anecdotally I mean. People literally watched over like ten nights in minutes at a time old moment. So it's like twenty minutes. They've come in the door and just before bed on a Wednesday the twenty minutes I found it on and I have borrowed this from somewhere else. So I can't claim credit for it. I found after three and a half hours as the credits rolled Irishman. I thought okay. This film is a masterpiece. The this is top. Tier Scorsese after an hour twenty minutes. I don't know that I thought after you know quite a long way into the film I felt alienated by fell and it was kind of being willfully aggressively chiefs and and by the time I got to the three and a half Alma by credit trump is unknown. Everything now suddenly slipped into place. I mean what I liked about the Irish mental. It might about the Irishman film alike so much as admire is the the chill of it. It's an incredibly cold film. It'd be sad phil I mean the idea is you get to that point of life and your kids. Don't speak to any more and nobody's really listening and everything that's being said by ruin you. Included is probably all made up and nonsensical data bleak And it's very weird with the Irishman at the Oscars. Because the idea of with this kind of you know now famously Septuagenarian voter poll the idea that that is what they want to embrace the idea that you end up sitting on your own elden irrelevant. Ah Yeah leaving leaving the door ajar in case you die and nobody notices. Yeah I mean I think that's kind of interesting. I what do honest honest to God. I think that we will be talking about or I possibly will anyway talking about your restaurant in in thirty years time in the same way that people now took about goodfellas and yes so you mentioned the conversation around the Oscars this year when our four years on I think from Hashtag Oscarssowhite. I remember writing about it at the time this year. No no women have been nominated for the best director. Category One performer of color has been nominated for a performance. If he feels a bit like the Oscars are going backwards in some way definitely the day. Actually I mean I think kind of quietly mentors Import the Moonlight winning best picture. Had that seems really longtime ago already does it does feel like we're spiralling backwards. I mean you know. There's this whole conversation around the chicken and egg nature of of awards in the industry. Because you know this isn't limited. The Oscar BAFTA have said similar things in Britain as well. you know. They can only nominate the films Games which are being made. But of course I think that ignores Another logic which kicks in the industry. which is the people make films to make money absolutely but people sutton yes certain level? We'll also make the films that they think will win them. Oscars have them on the red carpet and that's important to studios it's important to distributors important financier. The answer is So when you see you know kind of lineup like we've seen this year which is very very dispiriting You know it's very not even disingenuous to to pretend that isn't going to then have its own legacy. which is the films that which will now be green lit because they're a little bit like ninety seventeen? Eighteen industry isn't trying hard enough or consistently enough. Yeah I think that's absolutely right and it feels like when you look at the best director nominees and the best picture. Nominees Hominid overseas and mirrored in most. It feels someone thinkable school. Stacy wouldn't be up. It feels so unthinkable that Tarantino wouldn't be feel so unthinkable that Mendis wouldn't be up piano and it's interesting. I think we probably need to pin down. Why is so utterly inconceivable that Tarantino's name would have been missed off that that list with a with a with without into conversation about whether he deserves to be on there and Greta Gerwig for whatever reason who is filmmaker who so many people rightly excited by enthused by WHO's been acknowledged incredibly overdue breath refresher when it comes to the crunch her? Name's not down and actually I think what she did with little women and this isn't the first time films had a big adaptation sheet. Is something completely different in a car. Shopping up the chronology changing the focus. There that really it becomes about not. Who Will Joe March marry? But which book show will. She writes where we'll have. What will she find her voice women they have minds and they have souls as well as just hearts and they've got ambition and they've got talent as well as just beauty? I am so sick of people saying that that love is just all of women's fit four. I'm so sick of it. I'm I'm so so lonely feminist book and she went. She went back to that to the source I think and I wonder if the slightly jagged nature of the storytelling you know and the back and forth and the kind of throwing people out to chronology. I wonder whether that counted against grow. But I will say that I always found around little women quite boring and this is the first time that I really found it like a very fun watch. I mean I'm just wary of saying it because you know I mean I'm going on a Londoner you know. Yeah I mean I. I Love Matt and Oscar voters you know several times over the course of the I think generally speaking we know who demographically that pool is made up of and I think yeah. I think it's interesting for probably for the same reasons that you were energized and animated by this little women. I think they will be an audience as a say who who who want the kind of the old tunes played in the old way right so depressing but on a positive it is depressing. Thought a positive note. The academy is actually out of step with what's happening. I mean this into in two thousand nineteen though a hairstyle. Ten point six percent of the directors of the top hundred racing films where women which is more than doubled since the year before. So there's something happening it's just that the academy is not reflecting and listen there. Are Things happening left right and center and it's really interesting. The mark is doing all the right things when you look at the films that are doing well in America in Britain and elsewhere financially. It's actually sunny picture. I mean hostels came along and did fantastically massively well and I think again. It's the kind of film where you know. I think there's probably a whole audience of life. Young women don't necessarily get they get so underserved by cinema. There was was the film blue story which came out again which was very much overlooked. After's and blue story made by the director right man who came up through Youtube And it made four and a half million impounds at the British box office which for small low budget British. The British books office is big money And little women is fantastic. A little box office so I think the headline is that. I mean it's the award ceremonies. That are losing grand coming irrelevant. Yeah you know Danny I was GonNa ask you if you had any tips apps for like the best way to watch movies because you because you watch them all the time like their staff are things that you pay attention to that. Maybe we should be paying attention to that would make us appreciate initiate movies more. Listen what what you like. I mean completely. I mean I've always been hugely. Hugely can the Catholic Tyson and and you should just watch. Everything is the same with with literature music and any kind of art form. I mean absorbed all I would say I think films should be seen at the cinema. I for lots of different reasons. Watching a film on the big screen collectively is the best way to watch a film. Because I think you need the size of the screen gene and you also need the presence of you know twenty six strangers in you know and that's not to say that the films that you end ended up saying watching on your laptop which speak to you not speaking to you. It's not to say that that's an invalid experience. I just think they're speaking to you in in a in a quarter and that's what was. That's that's pretty much exactly. What Noah said in the interview range the singing from the same sheet? I think my favorite way to I see a film which actually difficult when you're journalist by light to cater foam without really knowing anything about it. I went to see parasite last night. I knew by Tom Junior which has been awesome nominated. For one of the Best Film Awards the Oscars I purposely avoided reading all reviews. I knew it'd been hyped. I knew it was South Korean. That's about as much as I knew and I was expecting something that was kind of. I don't know our house and ponderous and beautiful and maybe a bit slow. What I found was something really fun and thrilling and kind of a romp extremely dark extremely funny and I loved it and I'm so glad I didn't know that as I was going hang in feel trepidation kind of adding anything to that ready? Because parasite is one of my favorite films of love. It will be one of my favorite films at twenty. That's when we get to the end of the year I think it should win. Best Film for a couple of reasons but I sold a one. Stop the conversation there as well because I know that lots of people wonder parasite yet either any films that you felt didn't get there do Sort of in the awards nominations. Yeah it becomes. Kind kind of Oscars tradition or awards tradition rail off this list of your favorite films. These incredibly tiny little kind of house releases that has somehow been overlooked by the Academy Academy. I do think the fact uncut gems the Sakti brothers film Has Not received any acknowledgment at Seoul is ridiculous. Tatler on Netflix. So lots of people will be stumbling into it. She was it about so. Adam Sandler plays a diamond data in the diamond district in Manhattan. It's a real place. If you walk through Seventh Avenue. Newark Foy Seventh Street. Thank you so the London. London's planing forty seven. Oh so if you down for seven straight I mean it feels very very verite. Fail of this is a real corner of New York that it hasn't been seen on on screen so much. I like. The race was a great chicken on. Mommy acclaimed clean greening goal. They all right. I like it because it's this interesting contrast with Wall Street and obviously we've Seen Wall Street so much is this. He's coming back drop in his engine of great cinema moments in the past but the diamond district. Is this other kind of hub of international commerce. It's not a comedy but it has that very kind of free wheeling Khanna Coma Kennedy behind it so then in terms of of other films which have been acknowledged a fraction but not nearly to the extent of they should I'd also mention the Harriet which is the bugger for Harriet Tubman? Cynthia revolve who plays Harriet. Tubman has been nominated as best actress. She's the one actor of color who's up from the twenty categories available because of the nature of Harriet Tubman store in the role she played in the revolt against slavery. It's this very every physical experience you know. She's on the move And she oprah she also. Has You know this this kind of defiance and this incredible presence I think Harry it should have add more acknowledgment and I say this with my fingers crossed the interior. Every vote wins best actress. Although I'd be sort of surprised if she did Danny thank you so much. Much for Your thoughts I now have seven movies on my list of things to see so good won't work here is done in that case. That's almost it for this week before we go. We have some suggested but obviously not mandatory listening for the next episode. Our guest will be the critically acclaimed podcast and sound artist Caitlin pressed. If you don't know her work you're in for a real sonic tree. I haven't listen to Stop before what should I start with. I would start with back episodes of the heart which is what she's best known for and I especially recommend a mini series within it called. No it's about consent It really liked digs eggs into the nuances of that and it came out before the metoo movement which is really fascinating I will link to that show notes. Thanks as always for listening. We'd love to hear equal St episode. Continue the conversation with us on twitter. You can find the podcast at F.. Not Culture or you can email the show culture cool at F. T. DOT com. 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Noah Baumbach Digs Into A 'Marriage Story'

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Noah Baumbach Digs Into A 'Marriage Story'

"KPCC PODCASTS are supported by Warner brothers presenting the good liar. A smart suspense Thriller About Secrets. People keep an allies. They live that will keep audiences. This is guessing starring Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen rated R. Only in theaters November fifteenth from Broadcast Center at KPCC. See It's the frame. I'm John Horn on today's show. The Co Star and director of the new film marriage story. We'll hear from Adam driver about working. With Noah oh a bomb back for the fourth time and then bombeck says he wanted to make the divorce process in his film as real as possible so we had family law attorneys read his screenplay I would actually have the lawyers in a sense. Defend my fictional people and so I would say like okay so what would happen if this person is up against this person winded this. What ammunition would you use and will meet the Mexican composer who has become a favourite with the L. A.? Filled all that coming up on the frame. KABC podcasts are supported by Warner brothers presenting the good liar. A suspense filled thriller about the secrets. People keep an allies. They live brought to life by two storeyed award-winning actors. Helen Mirren and Ian mckellen. The film offers a clever unpredictable. Game of cat-and-mouse in the vein of a hitchcock thriller imbued with Intrigue Danger and surprising twists on November fifteenth. Read between the lies. The good liar rated R. under seventeen not admitted without apparent only in theaters. WHO's November fifteenth in Noah? Baumbach new film marriage story. Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson play a husband and wife whose marriage is falling apart. It's not a spoiler. It's the opening scene in the film ahead of a screening of marriage story at the telluride film festival this year and in front of a live audience. I spoke with driver. Just after Martin Scorsese presented him with a career. Honor driver was at telluride for marriage story and another upcoming movie the report in which he plays a US Senate investigator looking into this as use of torture after nine. Eleven driver explain what his relationships are like with directors. He's worked with multiple times and that list includes Jim Jarmusch and marriage story. Filmmaker Noah Baumbach. There's there's something that we are way of working. Our work ethic is similar in that. They don't take it for granted that we're making a movie. The has the potential to reach a plays that as far away and either give language to a culture. That's completely different than ours. And someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right right now for this amount of time to do this thing that will last forever and labeled the feeling and how powerful that is why why take that for granted why show up and kind of wing it you know or not. Consider what it is. You're saying and that no detail is too who small now. Obviously there's traps and all of that that you can get so worked up in details that you're trying to control everything and don't leave room for you know something. That's more abstract with those people. They're brilliant writers and create a set an environment onset where you're free to You know all those things that hope from from people you're free to get it wrong and you're free to explore and but really don't take it for granted if I was trying to summarize summarize it which is kind of hard. They very much curated the people that they want to work with in front and behind the camera and you feel like as much as everything thing is both has meaning and as meaningless. You don't don't take it for granted and finding people that have your same work ethic gets a rare thing. I think I just repeated myself three times the best show of hands. How many people in telluride for the atom driver double feature marriage story and the report? Wow okay. That's about half a house as quick question without spoiling either film. I WanNa ask you about Dan. Jones and CIA's post nine eleven detention and interrogation program which a lot of people would call torture. They call it extreme rendition of the things. What would you say about that film going into it without giving it away about why? That movie spoke. Oh Q.. And why you thought it was something you wanted to do. I mean the topic is was something that I you know embarrassing. They didn't know anything about and I mean the original report is over six thousand thousand pages. The redacted version is just over five hundred and our script with one hundred thirty. How do you how do you tell that story as economically as possible astle but not without leaving the humanity out of it so that all of those things just an opportunity to potentially bring a topic to light that has been in the dark and that I was inspired by you? Hope there's people like that in a room alone toiling away for six years with no support trying to trying to make a difference and that relationship with something that you've grown up with thinking that you can trust and suddenly you know you have to not only do you feel like you're trying to make a moral judgment for the country but internally as well they all those the reasons why I want to do it you were recently doing. Burn this and I'm wondering when you're doing it play and then going. Lean into film or television. What are the things that you might miss retain as an actor? WHO's doing a show in front of a different audience every night when you're not able oh to replicate that on a film set yeah? It's a totally different thing. It's I working with Mila. For example he likes to do a lot of takes and that actually feels more familiar to working on out of play because the lines of the lines. There's no there's no Improv. This is what it is blocking it out. But the intention can be a million different things and he he structured the day smartly so we have enough time to explore all the possibilities of what it could be not just arbitrarily but I mean sometimes and and then sometimes you have to rebel against him and then just do it the way you WanNa do it just to shock yourself and shock the system and then maybe come up with something better but you know it's like a whole run of a rehearsal truncated into a day. which is I rare with? Someone like Noah and you're also rehearsing you know if you can be as much as you can before you start just being prepared to give yourself time to explore all the options and when you don't do that with a soderbergh then I tend to have regret of like you can't help but go home and imagine I had all these ideas that now but then again. Maybe those were bad ideas that I don't know oh anything. The tribute is a sham. Last question I think there are a lot of things that different people will take away from marriage story one being. If you're thinking about going into family law you might reconsider it. But what was the thing that you treasure about making this film with knowing scarlet again. That could be a long answer that I know I should keep short. I mean this movie is hard to. I feel hard to talk about because it's very personal and it was personal. The people who made a collectively and we talked about it a couple of years before we started making those conversations tens of what it's about or what will retry into are still happening but how love can transition and how that can be violent set not not physically violent but an internal violent thing of you know someone kinetically where you know. It's everything your way. Oh you were in a room together a second nature then suddenly to divorce that from yourself That could be painful but maybe it's just transitioning into something different. I thought that was a beautiful idea. This is not a sham. Adam coming up on the frame the writer and director of marriage story Noah Baumbach on capturing the heartbreak of divorce Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn. Our next guest is filmmaker Noah Bam back he wrote and directed indie darlings like Margot at the wedding and the squid and the okay all his stories often feature realistic and flawed characters and it holds true for his latest film marriage. Story Charlie and Nicole played by Adam driver ever and Scarlett Johansson are a couple struggling with the early stages of their divorce bombeck painstakingly mapped out the process of their separation. And that makes watching watching marriage story. especially if you're married a bit like watching a horror film. Here's how bombeck described the movie when we recently spoke at the Middleburg Film Festival. I've a friend who said the movie gets divorced so you don't have to which I think is a nice message from married couples relatively Glib but I can see it Netflix has another movie. That's planet Middleburg called two popes. Your movie is called Marriage Story. They both seem like obvious. Titles but almost inevitable bowl. Did you play around with other things to call this. I didn't coordinate with Fernando Morass. I I It was it was the working title from the beginning. The the idea that I'd come up with something else but like pseudo you know Phil Collins but something about the movie resisted more more specific or poetic titles things like the squid and the whale. Didn't there was no squid in the whale to be found and so I I kept coming back to it. I liked it as its in. Its simplicity. I want to ask you a little bit. Because Adam drivers said that this was a collaborative process and hobbies. You're the writer the director. But how would you describe the process of putting the story together and before we started filming what you were talking to due. At least you're actors about it from the onset. It was important for me to know who the actors who are some of the actors were in the movie. I wanted To Have Charleena Nicole in my head is inspiration but also because I wanted to bring the actors in to the process a bit I Adam. I've I've been friends with now. When so when I brought him sort of some of these ideas he would say like? Oh these are things I might. He he was interested in playing a theater director. That's you know as I remember it. That's how that came into the movie. You have often had characters who you are very articulate. That could be writers. They could be theater directors that could be. They are very capable expressing themselves and talking about. Maybe maybe what they're feeling or what they're feeling about somebody else. Is that something that you think is a pattern. That you like articulate characters who happen to have particular jobs does one beget the other. I don't know I I don't think about it like that. Quite the artistic the fact that they were artists and and creative and professional partners in this movie was I thought important and also narrative interesting because there was sort of more at stake. You know even even more at stake. I should say. In their break-up there's a moment in the film where Adams character I think it's the closing night of scarlets. Play is still giving her notes right that in some ways. He is directing her when it doesn't even matter anymore and also may be important to point out before he gives her the no he he's not going to do it but she recognizes it in him so she knows him so well Al and so you're also revealing a kind of intimacy between the two characters because it's early on in the movie one of the things that really struck me. I think it strikes other people about this film. Is that that when we think about relationships falling apart there's often some horrific event or some betrayal or some scene. And but this is not that this is you know incremental and it's not until the end of the film. There's nothing dramatic. But were you aware consciously of avoiding seen those big moments that we typically see in a relationship breakup story. Yeah I it was important for me that there not be eh one reason or one breaking point. You know that it's it's something that happens often I think invisibly but also under are your nose you know and and in the movie also begins at the. They've already decided to break up. So if there were those sort of moments they would have happened. I've been before the movie starts when you are having conversations with yourself with people you're talking to for research with your actors about relationships in about divorce. What are the kinds of questions that you want to ask other people? What kind of perspectives are you looking for? And how do those perspectives inform the movie. You made yeah they. I mean they informed a lot and I often talk to friends of mine who's divorces. I had been present for. I've been friends with them during their divorces and and and what was interesting is in going back and kind of interviewing them in a more formalized way. They often reveal things that they hadn't revealed the time. And I I think because it's another thing about divorces at that there's often great shame that accompanies it and people. I think are often ready to talk about it all while it's happening and often don't WanNa think about it after it's over so it was interesting to kind of Jog People's memories and get back into some some of these things and painful And also to hear about how they were now and how they were able to work his parents which is also a big part of the movie with with professionals lawyers and judges and evaluators. I N mediators I talked to. I actually often had them help with the story. I mean tonight I ask them like process. Just ICAL happen. How this hearing go? I wouldn't write myself into something and and then call and say I would actually have the lawyers in a sense. Defend my fictional people so I would say like okay. So what would happen if this person is up against this person. Did this. What how what Dan Munition would you use? And that's a huge part of the story because at a certain point without giving anything away these characters lose control of their own narrative. Their story is told by someone else. And it's told in a way that is truthful to an extent but truthful in service of a of a greater goal which is to have leverage and power and that it becomes a story of what you control and what you give up to get back what you wanNA control right now. That's a very good way way to put. It is that they lose control of their narrative and they also lose their voices in a sense it the way we would shoot scenes often with the lawyers as we we we would. We shot got Adam and scarlets character as if they're having conversation and cut between their faces back and forth but we're not hearing them they're not saying anything the lawyers are speaking it's it's almost like either internal monologue or some kind of Avatar experience of of these people talking and and and a very important part of the story I should say and also partly why the I stuck with the title marriage story going back to your first question because because there are what is the marriage story you know and and during the divorce who has control all of the narrative we're talking with Noah Baumbach about his new movie marriage story. There's a phrase in journalism called gathering string. And that is you could be working on a story for months smaby years and you're getting a little nugget here a little nugget there and then you put it all together and you said something earlier that I was struck by that you had asked other friends of yours who had gone through divorce. Boris what happened. And I'm wondering did you kind of intentionally or unintentionally be. Were you gathering string for this film for a long time. Yeah it did did feel that way I because I took actual notes but I think it took a lot of mental notes over the years I mean and also after I went through my own divorce I and I was the child of divorce as well and I made the squid and the whale which is also has a marriage breaking up as well and it's one of those ones NHS where for years. I knew not to start to write it. I felt like I. I had this movie in me but I wasn't ready to do it. What changed I? Don't know it it sort of I think to your gathering string Metaphor it's it's it's suddenly something in you feels like you have enough and so I felt like now. Let's try it. It could not have worked could run into dead end but I I think then it was then really doing all the research. I did. which help me help me do it? And also and also working knowing I was going to work with these actors offers and you know and Sort of finding this sort of expansive story. That was kind of beyond beyond me and yet it's not. This is a story about a marriage ending. But there's a lot of moments of kindness and compassion and humor boomer so we should talk. Okay I don't know how to start when you're either shooting or an editorial. How do you figure out what that right balances? And how you make sure that it feels like you're not diminishing the stakes by making things not always terribles. They could be there. Were a lot of hidden genres in the story which I didn't even necessarily appreciate going into it but as I was writing writing it I started to discover that the you know that it was sort of part thriller part. screwball comedy part courtroom procedure enroll It's a love story it's A musical at times I mean. There's there's absurdity to having to serve legal papers to your were husband and and I felt like well that's just there so it really provided me many of these opportunities without having to dress it up one the other. There's a song in the film and I won't say where it happens from company being alive crowd you with someone to force you to care someone to make you come through long ways be there Eh. At what point did you start thinking that that was was a song that needed to be in your film. Yeah well I have joke that I reverse engineer this entire movie just to put that song in into it or to have Adam sing that song I that is going back to what we talked about earlier. I something that Adam and I had talked about actually a for a while is how much we love that musical Michael and I had it as I was writing the script as a kind of note on the side that I would and as I was going I I also felt will then scarlet should have a song as well And and it should be from the same musical because it would provide very different narrative value character. But they're connected because they're from the same musical Noah Greatest Youtube. Thank you. Marriage story is in select theaters today and December six on Net flicks up next on the frame. The little known story of African slavery in Mexico comes to the concert stage. A I'm John Horn and this is the frame. The Los Angeles Philharmonic recently premiered a new work by the Mexican composer Gabriela Ortiz. The piece was inspired by the little known story of African Slavery Including Era Mexico. And the abolitionist who fought for his people's freedom. The frame contributor Beto Arcos has the the story on Ortiz's history with the orchestra which now includes four commissions. There was not an empty seat at Disney Hall on a recent Sunday afternoon. The program program was a sort of double bill. Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and a new work by Gabriela Ortiz called gender. The piece began to build slowly. But when the Taboo Percussion Ensemble joined in. The music erupted erupted into every corner of the hall. The working relationship between Ortiz and failed goes back two decades and then received his commission which is the Fourth Commission for the field staples mill and at the beginning. He requests me to write a piece. That could be pair with Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and will be part of these four concerts to celebrate the hundred years of the foundation of the orchestra. Do The mail asked or destroyed a piece for choir and Orchestra and Sung in Spanish or not says. She was a bit intimidated by the request. Because you know being with Beethoven's ninth is a huge thing it's one of the most important pieces in in nineteen th century but on the other hand of course he was a wonderful opportunity is one of the most talented composers in the world not only in Mexico only in our continent in the world established a male is the LA feels music and artistic director. She has an ability to bring colors to win rhythm harmonies that you know connect with you. And that is something beautiful. Something unique these started thinking about the themes that could be paired with Schiller's Ode to joy a poem that's part of the nine symphonies fourth movement movement. She says she had long wanted to write an opera about younger. A liberator of slaves in colonial Mexico. She learned about younger through her husband. Flutist Alejandro a square. He'd read the Book Attic by author Gary Jennings and immediately. When he read the book he said You know you must know about? The story of Jenga is an amazing the story Jenga was at Prince from Gabon. In West Africa. He was forcibly brought to Mexico. As a slave. In the sixteenth century in fifteen seventy Jenga along with other slaves managed to escape from the Spaniards and founded the first first Maroon colony in the American continent in the early sixteen hundreds. The Spanish colonial government organized a campaign against him to regain control but failed finally in sixteen eighteen. The Spanish agreed to youngest terms and signed a treaty. Granting his family the right of rule over the colony this desire of freedom and that made younger to fight and risk his life and risk the life of these same people he sam represented represented by a group of instruments which portrayed the strained. This volume is artistic. Director of Mexico's Taboo. Percussion Ensemble Ensemble guy yet. Assess for this piece. The groups elected specific instrumentation does instruments of Afro American origin and incumbent nation with two or three instruments of African origin because when these instruments arrived in this neo continent they league or transform again the LA fills who stumbled with this piece deserves to play many times because it sends a beautiful mess. It shows our culture. Our blood our rhythm As one America in that beautiful connection in the beautiful message of music that of freedom the story Tonga has to do with that to to be able to to due to live within freedom and to respect the human rights and also the text of Schiller talks about that talks about fraternity talks about equality quality. Gabriela says the ideals expressed in Schiller's Ode to Joy are as relevant today as the four hundred year. Old Story of an abolitionist name. Yanga Sangha

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Noah Baumbach Gets Personal in Marriage Story

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Noah Baumbach Gets Personal in Marriage Story

"This is Alec Baldwin. And you're listening to. Here's the thing Noah bombecks. Six new film is marriage story. It's stunning when I first saw the film I could barely find the words to express my reaction. It felt that that real that honest bombeck is known for Messy and realistic family dramas the squid and the whale. CHRONICLES DIVORCE MARGOT I'll go at the wedding explores the relationship between two sisters. The MEYROWITZ stories tells of three adult siblings. Different mothers same father to go associating busy sentiment and love but marriage story puts bombeck on a plane with Woody Allen Barry Levinson and Mike Nichols in in terms of directing talent for writing directing and acting come together perfectly Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson inhabit bombecks words with exquisite performances of a couple coming apart while parenting a young son there have been plenty of comparisons persons between bombecks own life and his movies especially so with marriage story. bombeck an actress Jennifer Jason. Leigh divorced soon after they they had a child but bombeck is quick to say his films are not autobiographical. They are personal. He admits that the process of turning bill life into films is part of how he copes and make sense of things. When hard things have happened to me in my life and I mean not only hard things but but certainly hard hard things have happened in my life? There is a kind of comfort I think in my mind sort of. What would this be if we put it in the movie I think thank something. Did you get to know did you. Mike Nichols too much. I mean you work with them but with them and kept in touch with them. You're so good and working girl though. Thank uh he said when he I met him after school squid and the whale and He said it reminded me of why I got into the movie business in the first place which is revenge and I thought I know what he means though because again it's not revenge on a person it's almost like revenge on experience or or in and from that movie it was kind of childhood it was like a way for me to stand up for my younger self as an adult now who had voiced that that child didn't have and I think I do think that sometimes in in my life not necessarily while I'm going through it but sort of maybe soon after of that there's a kind of soothing way of like what would that be whether or not it ever becomes a scene in a movie or not I've definitely had that in hospital situations where the movie I made. Before the Meyrowitz stories My father had been hospital for a long time. And I. You're close to your dead. I was yeah and Badgen. You've spent some time in hospitals it sort of you know it's such a not unlike the divorce system it's like the ways you learn to function only work in that environment. They don't have any practical application outside of that firemen. You know like how you work with a nurse or doctor and then the changing nurse in the doctor's going on vacation and and I didn't make a movie about it for many years later but I felt like well that was a certain kind of re appropriating that situation turning it into something else one of the things among many anything. I'm reminded of when I saw your film because I wrote a book about my divorce. Not necessarily because I changed a lot of details. I assigned a lot of stories and ideas to fictitious characters. That I made up in fictional oral history is because I didn't want to say too much about specific people but if you're films are our our personal but not autobiographical. I'm assuming that when you do these films like squid and the whale in marriage story. There's a lot you leave out The process for you of what stays in what doesn't go in. Yeah it is and and with marriage story. A lot of it was what I discovered in writing it or once I had a draft of it was that it worked best when I stayed on the process and the story of the divorce itself because all the life stuff as as an in your book you write about this wonderfully to is that the the lifestyle doesn't stop for you to get divorced. Even though the divorce takes over your life and kind of unit go to work. Yeah you have to go to work. You still have to be apparent and you have to be apparent. You've difficult to be with your kid. You're you're now with your kid and you're distracted by the divorce and so I felt like I just have to acknowledge that and and tell that story and all of those life moments will be there because that is the movie too and it was these other scenes that were more sort of maybe be set piece scenes that were kind of just taking there were just other things and and so i. That was the stuff I really stripped away in the script stage For Marriage Story. You wrote get yourself a screenplay. Yeah completely yeah when you when you write something do have people who council you that you respect and you hand them drafts and thank you notes from them as many many. Yeah I I show Greta Gerwig. Who Live with Everything and she also is a sounding board even early on when I'm you're married You took up. We're not technically we have yes we do. You have your current love of your life and your child. She's the Sounding Board for the movie about your divorced sourced from your productivity well but but just anything will say any any ideas across the board and I have friends director friends writer friends. Who who I might Certainly that'll show early drafts to I. Bring my editor Jen. Lame In always always from early drafts. 'cause my ideas that we should almost cut the script away. We're going to cut the final movie so I involve fat. Yeah so like. Let's shoot what we think we're really going to use. And why do you think you do that as opposed to some people don't do that most don't do that. Well I feel like for me time. Jamieson important I mean it's important for every director. I imagine but I wanNA have time with these scenes and time for the actors and I like to do a lot takes and I want to. I want to be able to explore not totally unlike you might in a play or something you know be able to get as much out. Are these scenes as we can get and not feel like oh I wish we wanna look sure you know in your heart really matters as opposed to south. There's not so sure. Yeah and I find also when I'm working with actors who I love relief when it's really clicking. They're always giving me ideas while we're doing it. A lot of my direction comes from things they do in a scene that gives me an idea of how we could push the scene in that direction. So I don't want to shoot scenes or things that are not going to use if I can avoid it. I mean there's always stuff you cut but if if I can get the script is close to what I think. The movie is going to be. I feel like all the better member in the movies in amazing movie. It's it's an amazing movie. I don't you know you're an enormously talented director your enormously talented rider and you also happen to get the two actors that would be in mind. Everyone's dream to drama like that. I mean he's at the top of his game through thinks he's the one of the five most talented men alive today and her the same issues almost on another another planet in terms of her range and things she's done I'm wondering what's the path to them with you. Is it a formal process through representation or is it. Like you're having dinner with Barry Levinson and he says I can call Adam you will. This is my fourth movie without him. So because I knew I knew. Adam cast adamant Francis Hot often audition and it was before girls that come out so I hadn't seen him in anything he just came in. And so I've had a relationship with him since then and So it for for us and we become friends and what was it about him. That's if you you can well. He Adam described acting as benign rebellion. Wants it was. We were doing an interview together and he said it and I just it was one of the things. We've you're you're doing press all saying the same things over and over and then he suddenly said this. I hadn't heard this before. And what a what an interesting great way to describe what an actor actor does and also very much what he does which I do find. He's both in serving the material. The movie The story always race. But he's always looking for true moments spontaneous things that activate him and so he is is pushing constantly so he'll and he'll say things to me like I think I'm not GonNa Cross my legs in this take and I know he has a reason because it's going to change something for him that might have great ripple effects for the scene. I may not even know why or hadn't even thought about the fact that he was crossing his legs. I was maybe thinking or watching something else. And that's he's very aware and unaware at the same in time it's that conscious unconscious thing that actors do and it's my favorite way to work. He's also he is. He loves rehearsing rehearsing. He loves doing many takes. He knows every bit of dialogue down to the Ellipse and he's thought about it and he has the the the hesitation as it scripted. He's found his way into it. I mean it's it's it really. Is that thing. Forget under said this but someone said about poetry that it gives you your own thoughts back with added Majesty and I find that he gives me back my words and and my with I know well I I would like to. I mean he's really Special he's also He also is you know he's he's like he's like this he can talk. We talk about movies in general. It's not all about just his performance. Norman he's always very interested in what the story is going to be. What the movie as a whole? It's not it's not just about you. Know he's a real collaborator. In the bigger sense is to. I love that. But what's it like to approach someone you've known him for a while now and you are friends with him to approach him as things with him are at the boiling point now in terms of his career as hard to get him to deliver the kind of relationship where he turns to the rest of the road and says show. I'm talking to know on the phone. And he goes in your direction to find a window in his in has schedule well. He's things after he planned now. He's busy more carefully but he he will make the time because it's something he feels smartly. Okay and what about her. How did you approach she? I've known a little bit just over the years. We'd almost done a thing together. Probably about ten years ago or something so I i. I always sort of felt like at some point. I'M GONNA I'll have something I feel is right for her and adamant I talked about it. This was even before the script was written. We talked about well. Who would be the right person? Did for this movie and she was both of our first idea so I reached out to her just emailed her and said I think maybe I have something we could do together and we met for lunch lunch and then she arrived and said sorry. I'm late I was on the phone with my lawyer. I'm going through a divorce and I thought Jesus so I I thought well didn't. This is either going to be great or or or terrified. EAC disaster to her credit it was it was great she. She went in that direction she just saw it as a way to to To Take it on yeah. Her career career is so varied. Yeah I mean she can. She can convey innocence and sweetness of vulnerability and a and a and a kind of one of those. I don't know what the word is kind of a when she did onto this kind of a dead nece right Kevin Emotional neutrality. That's like A. She's from another the planet you know. There's an essence to her that she can manipulate And onscreen she's she's one of the few actresses I know that comes across a completely different people when when she performed. Yeah well there's there's a thing scripted thing that was in the script which I wrote thinking about her because she's as an actor in the beginning there it's the closing night of their theater company and and They're home and things are tense. And he can't help but give note not even though she's never going to play this part again he's going to give her a note on the on the on that final performance and she says that that she has trouble crying on stage you know that what follows is she turns into sobbing in life in the movie in life and I felt she could both conveyed the sort of that that that moment of that sort of defensive moment of of and then turn and just completely open up within. It's it's it's you know. It is literally an attorney she turns and starts crying. And that's AH something having her in mind. While I'm writing gives you the idea for something like that. You grew up in Brooklyn. Yeah out and your parents got divorced. When you're how old I was in fourteen when they when they finally my father finally moved out and what? What did your father do for a living? He was a writer he was a teacher Brooklyn College and teach he he ran the creative writing program for a PhD Program Limit Brooklyn College and then he also was A. He was a writer. A novelist and short story. Writer But also did film criticism it was. He was sort of of that era. Were you kind of did all the you know there was that kind of intellectual life for you. Did many things there was let him on was a film critic as well. My mom became film critic. she was great. I should but but became from me but it was later in my life. It was it was when I was really when I went to college She also written fiction and had some stories in the New Yorker and also taught and I mean the way my brother and I always subscribe to that art in our family was kind of religion it was the highest on. Yeah and the highest. CBS Sort of thing too tame for when you were growing up 'cause I asked practically everyone who works in film and Television and beyond you know Author author music. I asked him regarding their earlier in terms of music appreciation. What was film and Television in your childhood? What was that like film was a big? My parents really loved movies so they took me to a lot of movies. You went to go see sorrow and the pity when you're eight years kind of But they also were into what I was in to also. My father particularly made a real effort to go to I. I was was born in sixty nine. So it's sort of the the early eighties is when I started like really come branching out in terms of movies and Yeah he would go with me really to anything. I mean we would just go to movies and And we see does it matter if it sucks and we learned that we learned that and we could and we would have. Have you know I remember seeing all these Richard Kessler. You know I love Richard Pryor and we'd go to all these just terrible Richard Pryor movies and then he's clearly doing for paycheck silver streak. It was a pretty good one but but I remember. There's uncle some kind of hero with Margot kidder. which is I remember? We were both so baffled. We couldn't believe how bad it was But that was kind of almost is good is yeah exactly we just going and sitting and your religion. It was in the sense that he and big he was of. You know of the mind that we don't spend the extra money on the concessions so it really was just the movie we where did he grow up from. He's from Brooklyn to he His father was a painter and He grew up in Brooklyn. You went to Brooklyn College. Went to new. You took Thai school. Then he went to Brooklyn College painter like the painting. Hang on the wall or the wool itself you pay US hanging on the wall and artists artists and your mother were. My mother was from Her whole family from the South names Georgia Brown. She was named after Georgia. The the the place and her father worked for Coca Cola so they traveled pulled a lot And when I was older her parents were living Seattle but they had all started in the south. Did you know I mean I'm from things. I've read them under the impression. You knew pretty early on where you were headed. I wanted it. I wanted to make movies very badly. But I'd never I wasn't around anybody. Who made them so so I had no? Even though my parents were so into movies are experiencing movies was kind of like living in Brooklyn. We felt both sort of around where things were happening but never for it was never actually happening to us. was that feeling is a feeling outside and and I think my father felt that quite a bit. He felt outside fell done recognized Nies as a writer novelist and And there was always this feeling of like not. It's not happening here. It's over over there. You went to Vassar Tabatha. What did you say fell I? They didn't really have much of a film program. Then I mean the head Film Studies Program. I'd watch movies but right. I was an English major When you've finished at Vassar what did you do? I wrote a script but I've never actually seen a script before I was. Yeah I like print it out. I'd seen them like published. But I didn't realize the those were often just transcripts they would retype from the movie itself and it was Before any kind of like Phil final draft or any formatting program so I was just I I got so hung up a pretty anal about these things so I I was trying to get all the tabs tabs right on my typewriter and computer and so I was just reading page month. Yes and my whole experience tabs and trying to center everything and get Before they had those screenwriting it was awful. And then you print it and realize one was off and and I wrote what became my first movie. CO CO kicking and screaming. How old were you well? I guess I started writing it. I guess when I was twenty two twenty three reliving well I after college I was was a messenger at the New Yorker Which is my summer job and then after I got out of college I guess it was potentially my job but then I moved to Chicago? Because a lot of friends who doing Improv Theater in Chicago and I wanted to kind of just be around them and he needs some laughs. I needed some laughs. Yeah it was Eh SOCOCO. I did Improv a bit too. I liked it. Wasn't that different from writing in a way it was there. I was there Not that long under year And then but I was writing the script and then I came back to New York and sat out trying to make it. I two friends from College College Jeremy Kramer. Jason Blom Jason Jason. Yes and we will live together in college. Jason I live together in Chicago auto and then we all sort of said Lo I don't we don't you produce this and let's try to make it What was the budget well? Well we didn't even know what we still don't know but it didn't up getting made for a million dollars which was way more than I thought audit would but it was made in a way that was unexpected and after it fallen through many many times by this company try marches video company. Who wanted maybe maybe to get into sort of Miramax kind of business and the content? Yeah and they. They made it for a million dollars. which which again I I felt like a lot of money I I in a way was too much it was it was Now I always think about this now and and and I've heard Jason say this too. I think now we would have just made it because you could with cameras now. Digital's cameras really. Yeah I did cut hunt film. That was I had done on. Kicking screaming I had the whole experience of cutting on film and All pre-digital it was just as it turned but just worked with a bunch of people. You know my my production company where I was and it's a generation of filmmakers. Who really don't know anything else? They do it because they just don't know anything else and They shop this film for. I can't remember maybe it was like twelve days like two six two six day weeks and they should the film for one hundred and seventy five thousand on dollars and he just got into Sundance. That's great but it's like you see the way. The movie business now is like anything goes you know you just get it up there. Well there is more opportunity now because of that you can do. I mean I. I Made Francis a digitally with a crew of about seven people. Because I felt like like the sense. It was like making a first movie I never made and also what an I do it now with everything I know and I and in that I've learned and use the the fact that we're kind of under the radar as There would be certain limitations as there would be freedoms well what I did. Is I shop for sixty days because I because it was so much less to shoot the film film version of like if you dig down into the Earth you'll end up in China like it was it was like we'll actually have more freedom in certain ways because nobody knows we're doing this and we're so small and And we shot on consumer digital camera shot on the five D it was black and white and it was great. I mean and and you know it's it was and my feeling was I'm not going to do this to make it like a b side and do this because it's I think this is the best thing for this movie movie and will be the best version of this. Movie Noah Bombeck co-wrote Francis Haw with his partner. Greta Gerwig she also starred in the movie. Bombeck is known for wanting a lot of takes from his actors to hear from one of those actors. Take listen to my conversation with Jeff Daniels else I got to create. I gotTA create. You can't have a job. I can't once you start to understand. You're creating a character in a musical on a community theater or college or whatever in boom boom. You start to go down that road. It's like the sharks. You gotTa keep moving by full conversation station with Jeff. Daniels is that here's the thing dot org he starred in bombeck's the squid and the whale more on that film coming up. This is Alec Baldwin. And you're listening to. Here's the thing promoting marriage story Noah Baumbach has been deflecting questions about his own personal life when the squid and the whale came out a story about a Brooklyn family and what happens when the parents divorce bombeck had to deal with the reaction of of his own parents. They knew it was coming. I mean it was again because it was different. It wasn't our situation shot taught but there were the review teaspoons of it in their demilio was was familiar and they were good sports about it. I mean they I think one thing that was hard for them which I didn't anticipate and I was that people would assume then that things that were in the movie were true and talk to them about it as if they were true things so I I I guess I hadn't thought of it that way that Oh will this'll vissel all be perceived as true in their lives from other people say that could be a drag. I wish I'm sure they're friends over dinner. Like yeah like Oh. We didn't know that was going on in the house and say well. It wasn't really that I didn't I guess I didn't anticipate when I when I when I was working on it. Now let me say your. Your ax is one of my favorite actresses. I had like. She's one of my top three. She's fantastic. I had one of the greatest experiences of my life. I've always said that working with her. She was so free and inventive Miami Blues. I mean we do that movie with her and I learned from her. I thought to myself I wasn't I wasn't prepared for that when I was working back. Then but what are the pitfalls for you of you of your pie. Mary of your roommate wife would have your loved. One being actress senior director. I would you warn other directors about that. Well I mean it in both Jennifer and gotTA. They're both wonderful actors and they're also they're they're both filmmakers. I mean the gentleman I met Jennifer. She just made the Anniversary Party should directed with Alan Cumming which is a really great movie. They both have advocates of incredible ability of being very present as you're saying like free present as actors but also their storytellers. I guess that way you know and Ingress Amazing Director and writer and and so I guess I never thought of it so much as like director director actor in that I was wonder I I always think of it in terms of how great to be. If you're going to be with an actress it's great to be with. You can always pick the way. One is very talented. Yeah I found that but an increasing number of people they just they realized not that this was either good or bad. Just just occurred. was they discovered. They liked directing more than acting right and the acting started to get less and less and less goes to find material to access material material. That is worthwhile. Dustin Hoffman said to me in a meeting once a million years ago he said to me Alec Raw in line. Some of us are just in a shorter line to get that that could script that good material. Well yeah and I think in both cases they both have dritan things that they've acted into give themselves that opportunity. It's that's actually as you were saying. I realize you've acted with both of them. Yeah we did what he's not. We did forty movie but I remember I love doing them. I Love Woody and I love working with him and it was always like and what a treat to work with younger actors who. I'm always so keen on the while I still. We'll have your one ask you so in my life I have worked with great directors sometimes very small roles and you come in and they know very very well. What your function in the pieces? They know the whole panoply of the whole thing. And I'm not somebody who's ever been a big enough movie star in the the old school way to walk in and go. We need to fire Bob. WHO's just get rid of the director right but my point is is when I'm sitting down with you in the earliest stages do you think that that's job Eh? One for you is to help that person to understand what you want. Yeah I think well. I'm often interested in how the actor I comes at it without me saying anything I mean because I think a lot of it is in the rhythm of the lines and it is very dialogue musicality of the lines and and I think that helps the actor find it. I find usually actors are having trouble all with the scene. It's because they had the line wrong or they've dropped a line or they inverted words it falls flat and I'll even sometimes forget what the real line is and and be trying to figure it out and then I'll look at the script and realize oh it's inverted. Yeah you're doing and I find I find. It helps them and me okay then to kind of hear. The scene properly does a lot of blocking and physical stuff that I also find can help him really Kazan would say he was a prop director. You know that TV Steve. They'd ask him about how we how we directed. Just come up with a lot of props in the actress I find that takes care of a lot for the actors But unless it's absolutely wrong for the story. I want the actor to suggest in in what they're doing suggest life beyond this scene so that there's a different movie in the Altman version or whatever we might go with that person and that that that wouldn't be so surprised go into the parking lot and it gets in the car. Yeah because particularly if you've really really interesting actor doing a smaller role it's it. You want all that stuff you know. I mean it's not right for say the evaluator who comes and watches in marriage story of the the. The woman comes to see each observe Charlie and Henry have dinner and in his apartment. The whole idea of that is. There's no no life suggested beyond that scene you know it's it's it's it's. She's inscrutable. But I wanted that from Alan alda Ray Liotta that I mean in the sense that you know. They're they never got when they see Reagan ago. You Know Ray with all the things you've done with the guns and shovels and horrible things you've done to people in movies You know legendary movies. I go but I think this is probably most terrifying. I mean he reminded me so much of this. My first lawyer who I in my book Bob Galvin. I'm going to say his name terrified me. We go into a conference and as I would recite my story will then they. She did this and he literally that you'd never saw a man seve look at his two guys and accepting Jesus Christ mhm everything I said was another log on a fire of his battle. Scene was going to go into cleave these people you know. Remember Tena Myself. He's I don't think I could be around the sky too much so I fired array and I hired Helen all the other way. Alan Alda Komo but but the reason I say this because this is something where do you see. Maybe I'm projecting rhyme or I'm I'm in laying a lot of my own a personal thing like I made films I did this. On the edge with Tony Hopkins and Tamahori was the director we had a David namaste screenplay. I was so excited to go. Do this movie in Tamahori was somebody who didn't understand really the psychological of mammoths writing rather baroque. It was very medicine and whenever he'd come across he didn't understand he cut it. He thought he was. He was a key. We all do. My bad dialectal. He'd say of Divy does tend to go on a bit here. Page twenty one of what we cut these first full speeches and I thought to myself well the way the David tends to go on in these speeches is the very reason I'm here is to play the kind of weirdness. These guys are like a weird zone. Everyone's taken something maybe role weird and I like them movie. Well we did that movie. And he takes it makes it seventy percent psychological thriller and thirty Percent Action Adventure From and flips it in the cutting room but one moment was were there and again this was really one of the most painful moments of my life is. I've got a cell Tony on the idea of what I think. I think the scenes about because he's not gonNA say it. He's turning to US going man. What do you think's going on here? He wanted us to direct the scene. But the point is is when I come to work with you do I want so maybe this is wrong. The the nature of actress becoming so self directing. I WanNa come to know what you to tell me I want you to tell. I think that that's wrong. You want the actress to tell you no no I want. I think that's that's what I would hope back to come in It doesn't mean that you're not GonNa have ideas he is. You know it's but I think you hope they would Well it wanted to decipher what you WANNA do. Yes yeah but I look cadidate almost like creating not unlike rob reiner were saying about Kazan. That's like a create a kind of structure around them which is both in the dialogue and knowing your lines and and like I said having the lines down And you know blocking this very specific and and then then you don't have to worry about that stuff you can be free within those parameters and that it actually opens you up because you're not carrying. You're not trying to figure out how to make it work that you're going with it. It doesn't mean though. Of course if an actor if something doesn't work for an actor I don't I wouldn't get up on this line I wanna stay. You know that that of course should be listened always to that. 'cause it's I mean you have to believe it. How much do you who luxuriate in terms of composition and shooting or you defer very often to your cinematographer? How much of an issue? And how much is that them I mean it's it's it is a collaboration. I mean I I the way I generally do it is I I you know. And if it's somebody I've worked with before we might have a shorthand sort of going into it but I we kind of take the script and I go through the every scene together in prep stored aboard. I don't I I do sometimes but I. I'm such a bad drawer that I it frustrates me. So I ended up more shot listing and doing little drawings and like you know things football plays with things but but what I do is in some ways. I describe how how I pictured the scene and so I will give a kind of I pass on. Maybe he gets up here he goes over there. This is an and then. Then he'll respond Robbie Ryan in the case of MEYROWITZ and marriage story and he'll have his own tape. But what if this or orioles say that sounds right to me your you are And we'll kind of do a first pass going through the movie that way but I will give my first sort of interpretation visual interpretation of every scene and then then we'll do a second pass now with our notes the whole movie. NC We still agree with what we did the first time which also will accompany then having being locations and no now with the locations are and things can always change or can change. Sometimes you find the location that matches your what was in your head but Often you find a location that gives you new ideas or And then then I will have him in the rehearsal with me. I'll often even shooting it on and video. So that way when we're working with the actors and and descending the actress that will also then so usually by the time we're shooting we've done at least three passes of the whole movie A kind of visual story board. Do you miss them. I shot on film. I shot Up through Greenberg Knbr Guy Shut everything on film then Francis Mistress America and while we're young I shot all digitally marriage story marriage stories thirty five millimeter. Yeah yeah that's great You have many pots on the stove. You know kind of a thing is you WanNa do or does it come out. You know where you up for the last since from squid to marriage marriage story. I would say I've always had. There's always a thing in the queue. That's just finding its way you know as I'm finishing a movie I'm just starting to think. Think about the next thing and this is the first time I I got nothing on a good note. Though I'm depleted marriage story you've had a great career career. I mean it's my tenth movie. I think that's a good way to stop. It's not doing well. I'll just keep announcing my retirement and then on retiring but this is I actually stubbed this one out and I didn't realize the other one so I'm going to have to rub two sticks together. Yes yeah yeah. Yeah Noah Baumbach whatever comes next. I'll be there. Marriage story is in theaters and on net. Affleck's here's the thing comes from. WNYC studios

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Moment of the Day (5/11/21)

Boomer & Gio

02:32 min | 2 months ago

Moment of the Day (5/11/21)

"When a strange man dies alone in the woods a search to figure out who he is sends me some incredible places. He crossed the atlantic small sailboat. He told me got selected as escort for miss america. he also married an actress. A broadway actress you learn to recognize people who have a little bit of con- in and he was that stay away from matthew mcgill new episodes everywhere weekly or you can mentioned the whole thing right now exclusively on the new odyssey app. That's a ud ac y not. i'm jon meacham. Welcome to fate. A fact season one. This series is about how and why fact became a casualty of war in the united states. Please listen and follow fate of fact a presentation of shining city audio. A jon truman. C thirteen original studio available now for free on odyssey apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts earlier. We played a clip from mike appearance on fox. News about the kentucky derby nobody basset of interviewed a million times. He's a very likable guys is easy to like. He's had a brilliant career but he has had more excuses than just about anybody. And i heard the tape before all right c. J. rod tape the tape. Was they rotate with him when he was asking him. Hey clown clown. Do you ever do steroids. Okay i love the first thing out of his mouth. The guy asked him would you. What do you make a whole thing. The first thing. I know bob bassett take time. Noah baumbach interviewed a million times. It's been over the house breakfast together. He likes marmalade and marley. And that just set off an entire conversation about marmalade. Jellies jams and bob baffert moment. Good lord yes and that to jon meacham the host of cadence. Thirteen's new podcasts Fate of fact on how america and its political parties got to where we are today available now on odyssey apple podcasts. And wherever you get your podcasts.

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We're back for season two!

FT Everything Else

02:41 min | 1 year ago

We're back for season two!

"Oh It's twenty twenty and culture call the Financial Times is only transatlantic. PODCAST is back for season two. Yes it's brand new decade and we've got all new artwork you can see. Finally while we were dropping new episodes every two weeks from Thursday February. Yeah so so join us. That's me resulted Maree Brown in London and Me Lila Raptopoulos in New York. We'll be getting together to interview the people breaking new ground and culture that could be artists and writers and chefs and Comedians. And will also be making sense of the trends that are shaping life in the twenty twenty s from popstars two memoirs obstruction attraction to athlete. I want to say athletic. I say athlete was also wait for me to say we're already stuck and as well as all that we will also bring you behind the scenes of the FTC's award winning life and Arts Journalism. That means we'll be bringing our favorite critics writers into our studios to chat the kind of insider insider secrets of the London press critic. I've seen people pulling out the cinema. Tim Gane Crooked C not just in order to get through review. Wow Yeah so you may come to to hear what's happening in New York and London two cultural capitals but we really hope that you'll stay full compelling in-depth into these aren't afraid to go deep right. We are kicking off the season with a pre Oscar. Special Grid has interviewed the King of indie movies Noah Baumbach about his film marriage story. I felt like exploring the end of a marriage which by throwing an egg on the floor and seeing. What's inside that. I could actually tell the kind of love story. We've also got the award. Winning author Eamon McBride. And she'll be talking about sex middle-age and the strange appeal of hotels. It feels like bedtime hotel. Time could be anywhere and you could almost be anyone one is well. You have no connection to anything happens. And speaking of sex were also having on the genius podcast or Caitlyn pressed who is pushing the medium forward with her very intimate and hugely successful audio shows. You know the sound that we all associate with. The unzipping of a Zipper is not the sound out tool zipper trying to capture the motion and the texture of something. That's so exciting again. Our new series kicks off on February six. So wherever you listen to us. Whether that's apple spotify stitcher the subscribe button. You can also follow us on twitter. We're on at F.. T. Culture Call and together we will read. Watch listen and discuss our way through the most exciting cultural moments of twenty twenty. I think you'll like this on your recommendations. Always make me want to get on a flight to London immediately.

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Trump Sparks an Explosion of Book Deals | Noah Baumbach

The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition

26:36 min | 1 year ago

Trump Sparks an Explosion of Book Deals | Noah Baumbach

"You're listening to comedy central November twelve thousand nine hundred ninety from comedy central's World News Headquarters in New York. This is the daily show with Trevor Noah years. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming out in our guest. Tonight is an Oscar nominated writer and director whose new film called marriage. Story Noah. Baumbach is joining us. Everybody also on tonight's show Disney plus has a rocky starts. Roy Junior has some good news for a change and and president trump faces his greatest enemy books. So let's catch up on today's headlines. Let's kick it off with the big news that everybody's talking about Disney has entered the streaming wars and Preventive Disney. The wait is over Disney. You plus officially launches today. The news streaming service will feature franchises including Marvel and Star Wars Films Disney plus will cost users about seven dollars a month. The new service service. We'll have some tough competition though. Going up against existing providers such as net flicks and Amazon Prime Disney plus stumbled out of the gate. This morning. Many user I seeing this error message right here when they tried to use the new streaming service Ono Disney plus launched today. An almost immediately meteorically crashed which is too bad but at least they're era screen was really cute so I mean look at that as the day went on it only got worse now lot of people. A lot of people are disappointed that they couldn't watch Disney plus because I mean where else are they going to watch. TV Now from entertainment to the world of of tech it turns out. Apple's latest products is discrimination back now with allegations of gender bias against Apple over its new credit card apple calls it simple bowl and secure a credit card created by metabank but apple and partner Goldman Sachs are now accused gender bias software developer and millionaire. David Meyer Hansen. Says he and his wife share assets and income but apple cart gave him a credit line twenty times higher than hers even though she she has a higher credit score it seemed very discriminatory that I would get twenty times the credit limit even though our stats with the same Goldman says a computer algorithm the made the decision invented on twitter. Social media erupted with similar stories. Apple how could you. This is the most sexist products since then iphone that needed to be unlocked with your penis. And if you're going to be a credit card that discriminates don't do it based on gender you you should do it based on what people by like. If you're using your credit card to buy a beanbag chair and a lover Lamp you shouldn't have credit card. That's what it should be but I do think that unlike other forms of discrimination this one might actually be addressed and I say that because the victims of the most millionaire white people I have ever seen in my life. Because that's the only thing. Why do them as a Panara gift card? That's the only thing so I'm excited. They brought this out and finally in some major international news yet. Another Latin American country is saying the US to its president chaos in Bolivia after the President Evo Morales announced he is resigning. It protests and calls for the military stepped down former Bolivian. President Morales on his way to a new life after Mexico granted him political asylum. He says it will prevent what he calls. Blood and grief in the unrest following a resignation Morales in a supporters called a coup tweeting appeal asking Bolivians to quote. Take care of the peace and to not fall into violence remains unclear. Who will now lead? Bolivia A so-called extraordinary session oblivious legislature is. Set it for today damn now. Bolivia's government has collapsed right now. South American countries are more chaotic than the second day at every Jurassic walk like. I can't believe this happened to third time What's interesting? What's interesting about the story? Is that unlike. Other countries in the region where leaders have been ousted. Bolivia has been doing well. The economy has been booming. Poverty is down income inequality is declining so the question eighteen is. Why did President Maradas get pushed out of office? Well people like Donald Trump and Marco Rubio are saying that Bolivians forced President Morales out because he was trying to stay in power for too long when he was trying to fourth term but people like Bernie Sanders and AOC argued that morale is never broken laws. The believe in military is overthrowing throwing a popular socialist leader. And I don't know who to believe because I get what Bruni and AOL CEO saying but on the other hand who knows more about international affairs than Donald Trump all right so now another South American country has a power vacuum and no matter what you think of morale is. It's not good for a country to be leaderless. It's chaos right I mean. Can you imagine if that happened in America like just trump just disappear winter way. You know what maybe that's a bad example in any other country any other country then trump's the only leader that could just disappear and everyone would be like. Wow this actually works better without Ma you guys want to watch Disney. That's fine. Let's do it all right. That's the headlines. Let's move Ivanka. Top story in the three years. Donald Trump has been president. America has has changed in many ways. The country is more divided than ever official government policies and now announced on twitter and the red phone in the White House now connects you directly he to KFC one change. We didn't expect from trump's presidency was an explosion of books from anti-trump books to books folks calling him the Second Coming of Christ leave seen it all and who could have ever predicted. So many books would exist. Thanks to a president who can't read anyone can write a book and I do mean anyone. But what's interesting is how many of these books books were written by people who worked inside the White House and the latest book. Making headlines Comes from Nikki Haley former ambassador to the UN and woman who just just captured James Bond and she's not holding back in her memoir out this week Nikki. Haley takes on former secretary of state REX. Tillerson and former White House chief of staff John Kelly claiming the two men undermined and ignored president trump. From Inside the White House Haley writes Kellyanne. Tillerson confided find it in me that when they resisted the president. They weren't being ends aboard that they were trying to save the country. They should have been saying that to the president. Not asking me to join them on their sidebar plan to undermine president is really a very dangerous thing okay. This is a bombshell. I did not not expect rex. Tillerson and General Kelly were resistant trump in the White House that a shocking look does explain why they were wearing those pussy hats but still I mean the big news because this book. This book basically makes it sound like to trump's top officials. We're constantly trying to stop trump from causing trouble or getting into trouble in always like the thing parents. Do you know when they swap a real thing with a toy from their baby. You know in parents do that. Be Like all Gimme daddy atty so phone back and you can have the big boy phone and the kid is happy they just like. How did the president of Ukraine give me Doodoo on by that dude the on by doing okay? Thank you bye-bye he told me. The cow says Moo. That's basically what was happening. And I I've got to say this is a really complicated issue because on the one hand I understand we Nikki. Haley is coming from. America voted for trump right. He won the internal college and so his policies. Oh what people voted for. So his stuff shouldn't try to undermine him on the other hand. This is also the same president who suggested nuking hurricanes so maybe blocking him as a good idea. I don't no no and while Nikki Haley's book is all about allowing trump to be trump. There's another book making headlines Right now with the total opposite message and this book is coming from inside the White House a warning creating instant shockwaves. The anonymous author who claims to be a senior trump administration official official paints a picture of a president who is unstable and inept the writer describing your daily five alarm fire drill were senior officials canceled plans and race to the White House to prevent the president from an acting. His latest wacky or destructive idea the author saying behind closed doors the president makes racist misogynistic remarks wchs describing him as reckless and without full control of his faculties. Oh my cod. Shrimp is erratic racist and misogynist. Thank God we have this insight source. How else would we have? No more I I don't get it. We all know this stuff already these revelations this is like a spy coming out of Russia like you didn't hear it from from me but Russia is very big. I should go. I've said enough so look the truth is if you WANNA learn and something new about trump. This book is probably not going to do it for you but one person who might actually have revelations about trump is John Bolton former national security adviser and permanent got milk ad. He claims to have unique insider information relevant to the impeachment probe. But he's not telling Congress about it he might be saving for his upcoming book an attorney for former National Security Advisor John Volna revealed on Friday. That voting was personally involved in many of the events meetings and conversations at the center of the impeachment probe as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed publicly Bolton had been scheduled to testify as part of the impeachment probe last Thursday but he did not appear Bolton has a new book deal with Simon and Schuster and according according to reports that deal is worth about two million dollars. Oh I see so Bolton might spill the beans on impeachable offenses by the president but not only for two million dollars S. He's truly the hero. American deserves. Imagine if someone like that called nine one one just like hello. Police does a killer on the loose. Okay Sir where is he then. Mommy Twenty Bucks and I'll tell you and I'm not gonNA lie. I'm not impressed by the news of Bolton's book because what's the point of releasing anything on trump. If it comes out next year right impeachment is going to be happening now. And worst of of all Bolton totally stole his cover Michelle Obama. I don't care what anybody says. That is not his look. Look the truth is with an anonymous Nikki. Haley or John Bolton beneath it all these books all trying to do the same thing. Prophets of the chaos. A US. Because these books don't help the country they just trade on rumors and Innuendo to make the authors money like if someone has valuable information about the president they you should just tell. The American people is holding out for a big payday. It's about the country and the actually think I know how we fixes like. I am going to tell you how we fix this in my new book by my book a book I want you to five twenty nine ninety nine the twenty nine nine hundred nine you will learn shocking facts. Like trump is a bad person from has divided. America and Mike Pence seems like a weird guy but most importantly my book finally reveals how Americans can give trump out of office. So make sure you get a copy when it comes out in two thousand twenty five. We'll be right back this episode of the daily show with Trevor Noah. Years Edition is supported by S-o-f-i if you're like most millennials you know you should be investing but you're not sure where to start getting your money right doesn't have to be hard so fi makes it easy so fis the first investing platforms offer stocks. Automated investing and Crypto all in one and was so fi stock. Doc Bits you can buy a piece of your favorite brand stock with as little as a dollar listeners. WHO FUND THEIR ACCOUNT AT SOFI DOT com slash ears will receive twenty five dollars and mystery stock? Yes free talk just for signing up. Go to s-o-f-i dot com slash ears and create an account. Then either choose your own stocks or let Sophie's automated investing build your portfolio Roleo and you stock bits two by fractional shares of your favorite stocks. You can get started with as little as a dollar again listeners. Who Fund their account at S-O-F-I DOT com slash years will receive twenty five dollars just for signing up that s-o-f-i dot com slash years s-o-f-i lending corporate CFL number six zero five four? Six one. Two you don't now a days. It seems like every new story is upsetting politics. Ticks climate change when the Middle East Ward. Popeye's and and I was. I was chatting through my friend. Where would junior about this and I was just like I wish we could just take a moment to find new stories? That are just fun. You know brindell sunshine into our lives and so I asked Roy if he could find some of those happy stories stories. And that's exactly what he's done for brand new happy segments a sprinkling of sunshine. Hello Everyone I'm Roy. Wood Junior. And today I thought we kick off our first sprinkling of sunshine. Well some stories about animals because what does it love animals. They keep US company they help us with our work and a certain number seven horse helped me when fat thousand dollars which I immediately lost doubled down on a certain number four-hole slow bastard but point is animals helpless out and now they're cheering us up in the most cheerless place on earth the airport. A therapy animal is hogging all the attention at the San Francisco International Airport you may have encountered Lee Lue. She's billed as the world's first airport therapy take her main goal is to help. Passengers ease travel anxieties. The five year old pig poses for cell fees can do tricks like a dog Airport officials say Lulu has built a sense of community there and she's house train. Uh that's so adorable. You feel that sunshine. I feel that sunshine the San Francisco Airport got up there the pig which is great. Because it's usually therapy dogs. This pig is a trailblazer. She's the Jackie Robinson of pigs eggs but instead of home runs Leila's talent is not shitting on anyone's luggage. Imagine this has got to be a hard job fully Lou. Just gotTA walk around around the Airport Food Court smelling Bacon and not being freaked out. I mean if I walked in my office and this smell I Barbecue Black Guy I rob. We would take a sip on someone's loved I think animals make great. They're great therapists animals. They listen they're loyal. Unlike human therapists you can tell them about crimes. You're going to commit and they can't stop you so I think this their peak is a great idea especially considering that in America one in five adults struggles but some form of mental illness. But because there's a lack of resources people got to figure out they own ship by yourself or talk to a God damn pig twenty minutes before the Roy what are you doing what are you doing we hit sprinkle sunshine remember. It does my sunshine Spring Sunshine. I'd carried away okay from the cutest therapy pig to a rescue little. Kitty Houston. Animal Rescue Organization is desperate to get rid of this cute cat. They say quilty head to be sentenced to solitary confinement. Continuingly leading other cats out of their enclosures. The serial offender was caught multiple times by staff at friends for Life Animal Rescue and adoption setting his feline friend. Free from the senior room shelter says hilty will not be contained. The has no shame. The CAT is currently free. Visiting with potential adoption family quilty even has his own merchandise now too much sunshine hockey take it. You've got a rescue cat. That's rescuing other cats. Get that freaky. Yes cats movie. They need to make a movie about quilty breaking out call it. The Paul Shank Redemption Morgan Freeman Steel. Narrate it it comes down to a simple show US really busiest scratch or get busy dying nine times. Also good luck to any family that adopts quilty the parents are GonNa come home and look around the house and it'll be open. The baby gate quilt is GonNa be like Hey I don't believe in keeping kids in cages. In fact maybe this cat should be in charge of the immigration policy. Instead of people who think it's okay to thousands of kids. Roy Moore Roy lightweight. Roy Roy I know this is important and we talk about immigration all the time but I thought we just for this moment sunshine. We're good sparkling wing. We have a good time. And if you want a good time trevor you want some sunshine. This last story is unbearably cute. It's about a bad here but first we have deputy come to the rescue when a bear gets himself stuck in a pretty tight spot near Lake. Tahoe take a look at this is a four hundred pound bear there. He is well known. Apparently to local sheriffs and the deputies there they even have a nickname for him and his t shirt because of the white spot on his chest and they say they have too often improvise when dealing with bears doing what they can to keep them in everyone around them safe. I mean that would be quite startling there now. Well deputies have to get close. Sometimes they do warn people not to get too close to those damn a giant bear in a dumpster. That is both the Larry's Anna very common. Search on point hub. It also means doing chores in this town has got to be extremely dangerous. Can you take out the trash. What trying to get me killed woman to take the life? I know what you're trying to do. Ain't taking no damn trash. It also Kudos to the police officers for approaching this bear calmly and de escalating. The situation I just wished black people in America with getting the same I got a wonderful boy. Wonderful maybe ape. Maybe black people should just start win costumes. Whenever we leave the House Roy? Look all of this makes sense and I agree with you but we can't always be outraged. That's what we said this would be about. You're right you're right. I'm sorry I'm sorry I it's just hard for me to not focus on. All the bad news is out there so much bad news. Well we'll maybe you should talk to someone about that. Roy Actually drove him but he had to the airport. My therapy is flying. Everybody over right back. Ah the daily show with Trevor Noah. Yours addition is brought to you by your dad's with Sean and Julian a hilarious podcast from comedy central. Sean O'Connor enjoy McCullough color are stand up comedians producers and writers but their most important job of all is fatherhood every Monday on their podcasts. I ask how you dad by talking about. Being Parents Sharing Dad Ed stories and inviting there comedian friends to share their own personal experiences in parenthood with the holiday season. Coming up. Your Dad's is the perfect podcast. 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Yes well I sort of thought. Well maybe there's an opportunity a tune ity. Th there's a philosopher who has a philosophy of when something stops working like something that you're used to every day like you walk through a door every day it opens you. Don't think about it but if it's locked you suddenly look at it. You inspect it becomes clear to you in a certain way and so I thought well maybe in the Unda marriage coming apart you actually could see and Sort of look at the marriage itself more clearly. Oh that's interesting in the marriage. Breaking down you start to understand why people loved each other in the first place you understand what brought the people together. And that's I mean that's that's what's interesting about the story is. It's not sad but sad. Things are happening happening happy. But there's a they're happy moments and and you have phenomenal actors in this. I mean you know you've got Scarlett Johansson Adam driver. You couldn't have asked for better cost of people but it must have been a little bit weird. 'CAUSE when you're making this film Scarlett Johansson was going through a divorce and you were going to pitch a movie about divorce. Yeah well fortunately and unfortunately I didn't know this in advance so I i. I reached out dry century email. I said I think I have something that maybe we we might do together. I'd known her a little bit of rights and so we made a lunch date and I W- she was. She was a little late and she arrived. She sort of gearing up for you know we're going to do and everything and then she said sorry. I'm late I was just on the phone with my lawyer. I'm going through a divorce and and I thought and then I'm like cycling through well. Who Else could do this movie? And I didn't I didn't have have a plan B.. So you know. Sort of then awkwardly went through the thing but to scarlets credit. It was a reason to do the movie and right not to do the movie. So when you when you were experiencing your parents go through divorce within moments where you could still see the love that kept them together. Brought them together. Is that why you try to incorporate that into the film I. I felt wool. But of course even though you know divorce takes over and divorce by definition divides that. They're they're the these moments this love. It doesn't go away. It's not you know it. It's it's it's it's just it's still there and no matter what the circumstances are and also because they they share a child to they're both very committed did to to being parents to it has to transform in some way right. You feel that in the movie and what I love most about it is. It's a story that doesn't doesn't I think dismissed the idea of love even in a divorce. A lot of the Times people go if people break apart there was no lover was on the line and this movie. It's more like no. The Love was real their the story just ended and then the love carries on a very different way. So thank you very much. It was a beautiful film. Thank you we have to watch him. Story take on. Netflix Noah. Baumbach everybody off the daily show with Kurbanov ears addition watching the show weeknights at eleven ten central on comedy Central and the comedy watch full episodes and videos at the daily show dot com follow us on facebook twitter and instagram and subscribe to the daily show on Youtube for exclusive and more. This has been a comedy central podcast.

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Noah Baumbach: The Acclaimed Film Director on Giving Directions

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Noah Baumbach: The Acclaimed Film Director on Giving Directions

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As I know I'm going to work with somebody I loved to bring them in early sometimes even while while I'm still working on the script because I feel like the more time we have communicating it's only gonNA benefit what happens when we're shooting on the set and my hope is that that then you know actors will feel when they even. I got the script that they're kind of in it already. That's writer director Noah bound by we got together a little while ago to compare notes on moviemaking in general and to talk about our experience working together on his latest movie marriage stored. I'd had a great time working with Noah and I was curious about how he would describe his style of relating to actors. This is so so much fun for me not to have you here today. Any other ended a microphone. I'm really happy came in. Thank you likewise I you know. Our show is about communication and relating waiting and and the funny thing that happened on the way over here today. Carbon cab being driven by somebody who was from Russia uh and he kept telling me about his life story and I thought I gotta get ready to talk to know what I I gotta think about. This and I realized he was preparing me. Hey for the for this conversation because he was telling me about what he learned about this country from our movies before he came over from Russia. That's interesting what do you think about. WHO's going to see Roy? Your movie I think about it just maybe not unlike your cabdriver papy some movies growing up what do you mean. That's interesting. Well that what movies were to me out. They educated you about what the world was like. What were the movies that interested interested you as a kid early on I I mean I think like wizard of Oz and the Errol Flynn Robin Hood? A yeah me too The the Arrow Flynn Olivia aveline robin. Yeah I really love that as a kid. Did you make movies a kid. Did you have a camera that I had a wind up a bill in Howell and I made a little three minute movies i. It's funny. I use the wind up bell and Howell in college but before that will I guess. VHS HSA came into play when I was probably about twelve or at least we got our first VHS player. And I I've got a camcorder A right around that time also so that I started making movies with my friends and around around the house then but it was all on B. H. S. and And I didn't have any kind of editing material nor did I even fully. I know how to edit. I think about it but you were. We're visiting from watching right. I was aware about it from watching. And and I actually would tr- I actually took my borrowed my friend's VCR and we edited between the VCR tapes. and which also meant pausing pausing and then going back and forth in which case also remember like the VCR's when you pause there was always that rainbow that would kind of. Why do you have that? I remember reading something that Spielberg said in an interview that the director's job job has to decide where the camera goes and where the cut goes where the scissors go right. Do you think about that as you right as view shoot or do you wait until the end and look at all the footage and say here's will make it I think about it In the writing and then definitely definitely the most in the prep. So that when I'm shooting I I have the cuts in mind cause how you cut. It is how you telling the story. It's how you communicating hating with the audience. You doing something to their brain with every cut and when you cut him well I mean I think if a cut can mean so many different things that can be invisible if we're shooting you in me across the table and we go back and forth and we're talking you know by generally you're gonNA WANNA see see both of us talking at some point so the idea is to kind of create. A kind of seamless interchange between us if we if it was a scene in a movie but if we just stayed on you talking for quite some time and you only heard me off screen or you didn't hear me at all and we are wondering what my reaction is going to A. B.. Suddenly that cut would have a different impact. Yeah you bring up an interesting point for me. I saw a movie that had Al Pacino and it and it was. It was edited by that famous. Female Editors Name. I can't remember right now Dede Allen with Dida. I'm pretty sure it was Deanne. And and there was a long shot where AL caught up with somebody and they had a couple of lines of dialogue still in the long shot and finally she cut in two to one of them and I and that was a lesson for me because I wanted good to see that face when just around the time she cut right she didn't cut until I wanted her to cut right and had she done it earlier. That cut wouldn't have meant anything. Oh it would. It would be her or the director telling me what to look at. I always think about that with inserts. I think in the movie we do the other marriage story which is such a beautiful movie. I'm so proud to be an. I don't think you used in search. Maybe more maybe one insert. I can remember yet the the well because also the the when we a kind of I suppose a featured insert in the movie is when they signed their divorce papers and That's another example. Had we use inserts concerts throughout the movie. And you're used to looking at all these screens or or pages things. It might not have the impact the impact we also see it when he signing a check. He's writing actually your character. Check for twenty five thousand dollars Oh I missed that. I have to see the movie. There's an insert there to go go to explain for anybody who doesn't know that an insert is a shot that is very close to a little bit of action or an object subject that That moves the story or explains part of the story. But to me you know like an example would be if The sheriff is talking to the villain in sheriff. You see a tight shot of the sheriff's hand moving his coat back to reveal his gun right then. Then that's an insure. That's great use of an insert The for instance like the psycho shower scene being like a obviously a kind of maybe iconic example of a a scene those thirty some cuts under. Yeah I forget highly made edits and it's So that your experience watching it is you you. There's this feeling that you're seeing much more than you. Really are the interesting thing about that sequence his unlike most inserts because it tells a story three in a sequence of insearch it's not like Dick Director saying this is what I want you to look at. He's telling you a whole leather story right. That's true I think yeah sometimes. An insert is purely practical. You know you have to see the the thing that somebody's writing the thing on the screen you know. I mean I find now in the digital age the this nothing more boring than shooting phones uh-huh and computer screens for a while. It was exciting than the letters are showing up on this. I know and terrible cliche but sometimes you have to do something like that because it's part of life it's part of a thing but then there's the the insert like your sheriff example or psycho or our Where the fact that you're seeing this moment it really does move move? The story storytelling exactly in terms terms of storytelling. How much are you aware of what the audiences thinking as you tell the story? Are you involved in your own. The understanding of which coming from the back of your head more than you're worth thinking about how it lands on them which way to go both ways I think both ways both are kind of running simultaneously because on one hand I find clarity is such a big is such an important part of storytelling. It's such an important part of visual storytelling. Also is is do. We know where we are. Do you know what the room looks like when we're if we're going to return to this place later are we shooting it from the same angle so that we know it's the same place because it's it's that thing you discover of course when you're when when you're shooting on location or something you you think. Well we all know what this looks like. So we know that the kitchen's over there you have to remember what does the audience now and You know what I started out. I think I would find myself sort of assuming that people would know this was the the same location or this was the same characters and discovering in the editorial may be that. Oh I I I shot it. There's no way to know that this assist the same when I was starting out on film as a young actor. The director said to me one point. This is a geography geography shut. We'll go from here and I had never heard anything like that before and they started to laugh a geography shut adult. We rent a movie. It sounded like a travelogue. Yeah but he was establishing in the audience's mind where everything was taking place and of course. You want to do that in a way. That doesn't maybe feel to extinguish geography geography shot. And I've done. I shot him. I made a movie Margot at the wedding. Where part of what we did deliberately? We never had establishing shots. The whole thing was to keep you off balance and it was kind of perpetual actual feeling of discovery And we also did that editorially. In that movie we would cut in and out of scenes often in the middle so that I was felt that the next scene. You didn't need reaction shots to like. I mean you might have a reaction shot within the scene but you didn't need like to end scene with a reaction shot to see how somebody was feeling. The next next scene could answer that for you It's all I also think about it in the script stage and rehearsals and is the UH is is clarity of narrative and you know and in that way I have the audience very much in mind in that I want them to. You know to the degree that I think it's important. I want them to have the bearings. I feel they need given that there's going to be complexities and and emotional emotional content. That might be might be more open for interpretation thinking in a sense it leaves the stuff that you want maybe to be more open for interpretation and You know they they. They know they know what they need to know. So the stuff that maybe they're discovering or the stuff they're feeling is can be can be more pleasurable and yet you do it in an who. You provide this clarity and very Almost it seems almost effortless which which is a clue that. It's probably not in the sense that I don't see your movies full of a lot of Explaining where we are how we got here and that kind of thing you you understand it in the doing of it exposition. Did you struggle with exposition to keep us clear about where we are and what the back story is without having somebody explain it to well. It did that that is a challenge and and often you're hoping it's kind of invisible but But but at the same time it really needs to be in there I mean even just basic things I mean what what we had in marriage story which was helpful was you had Charlie Nicole Adam driver Scarlett Johansson's characters Meeting with lawyers And and by design and interview like like you're seeing with Adam when he first meeting with you by designing interview is people explaining themselves and explaining explaining the situation so that was in in a way a gift because I could build it into the scenes I could build both both exposition or explanation but also character and story in a way that felt organic to the to the scene itself. There always was a tradition. I remembered movies. Ovation the forties that. I grew up on where there would be the best friend to whom everything would be exploited right the best friend or somebody particularly Shakerley stupid. Who needed to have the whole thing? Explain Yeah I don't think that's changed so much. I was watching a movie not long ago worth worth somebody said like. Oh you know how dad is. He's in the whole thing and I thought wow you didn't even really try to I. I was in play once they lasted. I think one night opening night was same as closing night I think and the the exposition was handled by the maid. Who came in putting props down all around the room and each prop was a chance for her to explain different aspect? Ah Deleting Characters version -ality and on opening night the prop man forgot to set out the product. Now the whole whole routine of explaining the guy when out the window goes you had no proud so she just looked at his age he said well I leave you to your own devices. You no abound back and I continue our conversation after this short break and when we do I'm surprised to find out about an important decision. He made before the shooting of marriage story. 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I've seen it three times and I got choked up again on the third try. My goal is to watch it without getting choked. Hooked up where it's it's true. It's one of those films where you cry. You laugh you go through the emotional roller coaster of everything that's in there because Adam driver Scarlett Johansson As two people on the screen are just electrified. Just loved their performances. I learned something acting across the room from them and I continue to sitting in the audience watching them or now able to sit on the couch and watch it on Netflix. Where you ray Liotta and Laura dern all have great eight characters in this two years of different kinds of lawyers you get the spectrum of lawyers in this one an lawsuits and you had a great interview with no bombeck? Not Not too long ago to where he talked about the film. And what was it like working with Noah I've loved working with Noah in fact everybody in the movie had makes a special point of how much fun it is to work with him in his role as director and to a great extent. That's because in his role is a writer. He so good and when you read the script realize it's all there in the script even things that people come up to me and say was. That moment improvised no. It looks improvised. 'cause it so natural and his such a reflection of real life put every moment every word was written by him over for a long period of time using his own experience as a basis for the script and using the experiences of his friends. That's why ring show true. I think and in listeners of clear and vivid you can go see marriage story now in theaters and if you're subscriber net flicks it comes out on December six of check it out. We'll all be watching. I hope so. We will be watching everybody. The Academy Awards to. I think. 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They're that close. UPS should should be used sparingly. Because I thought you know these were both characters who were part of their obstacles are themselves and which ages both a A human common human challenge for some people Are All people to some degree but also oh I almost related it to like silent comedy or something like a Buster Keaton movie or Charlie Chaplain movie where these individuals kind of at the fate. You know. Ah they're they're they're. They're sort of the the mercy I should say of of you know it could be a storm. It could be. There's often a big comic set piece there. You Know Charlie Chaplin in the factory and you know in modern times or the gold rush with the you know the cabin coming off the cliff and even though I was telling sort of a different kind of comedy in in a sense I I often I wanted to show the characters in the world know. There are a lot of wide shots. I mean also. Both Ben Stiller Played Greenberg Greta Gerwig who plays Francis. They're are great comedians and great physical actors so again seeing them seeing their bodies you know in in the world in in in in the case of Francis she plays a dancer too so often saw scenes. There are dance sequences in the movie but scenes. Even when she's not even dancing I thought of her sort of a PR performer. Or a dancer in the world with marriage story. It was different because it was it was ah to hander. In two characters in the sense who go on a kind of journey I felt the the internal life was something that I wanted on it to document or and so I felt close ups. We're going to be very important and I. I even used a different aspect ratio. which is the you know the frame itself of the movie? I mean letterbox and the old fashioned square yells. Yeah what they call the academy which is one three and the numbers of this sort of the ratio so that dimensions of the bill you change the ratio would shot shot previously. Most movies are one eight five which is a fairly common aspect ratio for movies. I mean to what was what was marriage story every one six six so it was slightly more narrow very interesting. This is a real question of you communicating with the audience. And they don't even know it right right. I mean the the aspect ratio the shape of screen. Tell me how changing the shape of the screen in matters. What why did it tell the story better? Well I think it created a sense of portraiture when we were in close up and it'll I some he so that the face would would would wouldn't have allowed space left over in boats. It's more narrow on the sides I think. Also because of audience's expectations were used to too wide screen is particularly right. Now I think is used a lot and eight five is stop wide-screen. It's almost sort of like what a TV shape is no TV's he's now with more rectangular are more. Maybe an audience is sort of expectation for an image you know currently so by narrowing it slightly. I don't I don't know I guess I felt like maybe it would kind of focus you in more and in particularly in these close ups did become becomes kind of mostly invisible way of slightly changing your perspective. When you're watching that it that it certainly was invisible invisible to me? I had no awareness that you would change the shape of the screen and and it probably had some effectively. How do you know it's having the effect? Thanks Ernie Way to test the idea. I think I just go go. More off. Visually tests in we did tests in different aspect ratios camera tests I love how the close ups Felton one six six. I felt it just held the face in a really away and that was kind of what Robby Robbie Ryan knew who shot movie and I went to was that was that going with that feeling It's interesting I mean especially as a young actor actor dash filmmaker. I used to love to watch movies made on small budgets and see how they solve the problems. There was that one movie. It was a western made by a director who made them home movie for three thousand dollars and he raised the money by being subject subject for drug trial. What movie was that? I think it was the director of Rodrigues. I forget the name movie. But when I love loved El Mariachi Mizzou I think so. Yeah when I loved about it was almost a home. Movie was in closeups because he lit the movie with two bulbs CBS. He couldn't light a whole room. He didn't have the equipment so you. He told his story in. Totally almost was totally enclosed subs except when he was outside and they had had little ambient light nigger shoot larger scenes. It fascinated me how he was able to use the constraint to tell his story through the constraint I think having limitations in in and probably in all art forms but I can speak from my own experience to making movies in some ways I think it it. It really can up your game. I mean you I think in the way you you described being a perfect example of it can style can be born out of these limitations that actually you know that that you might otherwise it's not of otherwise found in yourself. I mean I I When I made squid we had very little money and very little time and the movies all hand-held and you know part of it from you could say from an aesthetic uh and narrative standpoint and emotional standpoint you can say oh but it brings the kind of intimacy did feels kind of almost documentary? Like you're you're kind of in the family family life in a way that you wouldn't be if you were raised standing back and again that's under the level of consciousness snus is right right and that's true but it actually given the time constraints we had. It actually was a practical decision as much as anything. which was AH I knew? Then we could kind of swing around and shoot decide and this side then. We wouldn't have to kind of stop and turn around we that it just it it it the immediacy actually help us get more done and I could have discovered a style based on on the kind of constraints us that are right up against you when you talk about being on the set. You reminding me that. We've I've been talking about communicating with the audience and I was where on the side with you. Making marriage story was how you communicated and with the actors the director has to communicate with so many people the crew couple of hundred people often. And when you talk to the crew do you do you talk in terms of storytelling or do you do you talk in terms of the effect you WanNa create generally storytelling storytelling. I mean it's also why I like to you know as soon as I know I'm going to work with somebody like I love to bring them in early because in sometimes even while I'm still working on the script because I feel like the more time we have communicating. It's only going to benefit. You know what happens when we're shooting on the set on the day on the set with you know the light fading or what you know all the the crazy things we we put up with the movie making when they when they know. Exactly what you what you doing what. Why are you doing it within their collaborators? Rather than yeah and my hope is that that then you know actors will feel when they even. I got the script that that that they're kind of in it already. You know that you know when they go through their process of learning their lines in preparing on their end that would not feel entirely unfamiliar earlier. What they've received and same thing for crew members? I mean. Sometimes you just don't know you don't have the luxury of knowing everybody who you're going to be working with somebody's not available something changes When you do for me I think it's? It's a great importance to have. Everybody kind of know is much as possible at the earliest possible stage stage. So as we've been talking to the press you and I about the movie I love and praised you for nunnelee not being being the director but being they're collaborating in watching the thing develop watching go to character in the scene develop as a kind of collaborative observer almost and not having a secret agenda. That you're manipulating the actor into now at now I never heard from you. That was my impression now. It's now it's time to come. which was did I miss did were you? I mean he played. Did you into that thought. No I don't I don't I don't work that way I mean I. I wouldn't know how to work that way. What happens so often while we're shooting in and it certainly happened on marriage story in our scenes you're scenes in the movie is You know I know a certain amount going in. I know I have all my ideas. The planning for the scene and everything is is quite mapped out and thought through and shot listed and we've rehearsed and all all of that's there but that's all because I know we're all GonNa learn so much in the moment during the course of shooting the sequence wins and sometimes I find it funny question sometimes like the you know the might say to me like do you have it because like you get. Did you get what you decided you want right. Exactly and and And you know I tend to do a lot of takes and I find a lot of the time you'll do something the scene that gives me an idea a new idea for the new idea about what this could be about and my impression was If that happened that you would then explore that for four-five takes and see who could develop into something even more than either of his heads thought. Oh absolutely and and the sequence where there are. We're GONNA be cuts. You know the the the the mediation seen when there's four people in the room together actually six people including associates. Who are sitting behind you? You you might get in those four takes a couple of moments that you wouldn't have gotten otherwise that then you can include You know in in in in in the course of the scene that's going to just sort of been enriched the whole thing and also the hope. Is that from your perspective in discovering things you know it. It's going to also give you more to an and I think it's such a pleasure in our jobs I think is is is getting to play with these things. I mean I think for me the thing. I'm so clear about when I'm shooting is having the time because because if if you don't have the time it puts everybody more in the mindset of did we get it as opposed to have we explored it right. You know I it satisfactorily Dr. -Ly do we all feel like we tried all the things we wanted to try. Have we all gotten everything from the day so that we don't go home. You never do anyway. When you're shooting movie always go home and think ooh what about But you know at least to minimize that as much as actors off into that on the way home Play the scene ten more times with different variations right and I'm trying to hopefully minimize that. So that you know but variations is on film. Yes yes exactly. You have such respect for the acting process that I read someplace place that you did. You studied Improv. Yeah I did Improv in college And and in those days as I I was probably even a part of me thought maybe I would want to be an actor I always wanted to write and direct but maybe I would want to act as well. Oh but I loved improvisation. I liked working that way. It was something I talking about Improv. Once with Mike Nichols who obviously did it at a tie. Hi It's highest level And he he said he always thought of Improv when he was directing actors because he thought when. You're when you're improvising vising. You're not thinking about like what's my character's motivation would I say this. How do I say this my a happy sad? He said you're just so excited to have thought of the thing you're saying in that moment that you just say it and he said I always want to try to get actors us to that point where they're just saying it and saying it because the other character the other actor makes you say absolutes crusade in a certain way absolutely and that changes from take to take on the stage it changes from night tonight absolutely and and again. That's why I like to do many of them. Because if you find something new inevitably atoms GonNa find something new if Adam finds that new inevitably you're gonna find something new there. Th there could be a take where you feel like you feel it going in a direction but it didn't quite go and then sometimes it's my job to point that out and maybe sort of nudged in that direction other times. I I can tell you're gonna get to there so I won't say anything. We just run it again. Go in the you know everybody. I've talked to Yoyo Ma. It sucked Perlman Ullman Renee Fleming in that field. The field of music has the same thing to say about the performance. The the moment moment of performance where you're prepared as you can be and then you take off and you don't exactly know where you're gonna go but you're going based on what's happening right now in reality right now is so much better than last night when you decided how you were going to do it right right. The the the music that the comparison composers and players Is I mean it's IT'S A. It's an apt one because it is the thing if they have the score the scores the score. They're playing those notes had yet every performance is a little different. Yeah well all right now includes includes the idea that we have to come to an end of our conversation. Stop I talk shop with you all day me too. We always end our conversations which seven quick questions and the nine embarrassing. What do you wish you really understood? Well I was GONNA say my own mind. Nobody said that pretty good but and I was wondering. Do I really want to Well if you figure it out let me know okay number two how do you how do you tell someone. They have have their facts wrong. How do I tell them? Yeah do you. Well that's I mean that's directing actually is not it's not dissimilar thing although there's no right or wrong I would say gently not not presenting it as a as as a separate right but maybe just introducing adducing the right into the conversation that maybe they will take take the right and and and another way to look at it not necessarily right right but absolute right exactly and it is hard to get around that. If you know it's a fact right it kind of his either yes or no but I am. It's actually okay. Good question for me. I often I find I can be very sensitive to somebody in a particularly depends on the person too. But in somebody if you feel like like a fragile ego or In some way or I will maybe just let them be wrong. Maybe right to yours may be flat ride I. I'm not going to push it because I feel like it's going to maybe provoke right. You don't WanNa get into a whole other thing right okay. Here's one what's the strangest question anyone's ever asked you. Well actually a question that we get a lot. which is what is the genesis of this project or or how do you write? Or How do you film I. I find it strange because I feel like there's no way to answer it But it's so common and I'm I'm always Taken with how often I'm mass these these kinds of questions that I have absolutely no answer for because I I always think I think conversation. It's like you sit down to dinner and and you all start talking and if somebody said at the end of the dinner How did this begin A? Why did you get on this subject? Nobody knows because it's all been he created all you know it's like Improv. It's all just happened on. Its own how do you stop a compulsive talker by pointing out. Their facts are wrong okay. I'll say how do you talk mentioned engined dinner parties your ended inter-party. How do you start up a real conversation with the person next to you who you've never met before? Yeah that can be and that can be treacherous because some of the like the maybe questions that you think are inoculated suddenly. You're not how did you get like the right right. You don't WanNa do that one How do you know the host? I guess that's always that's always a good way in right. Does that and eventually can lead to real conversation. Yeah here's one. What gives you confidence? That is a good question because sometimes it's just there isn't it you know I mean you just have it even in and and And we would do what we we do. We didn't have confidence of needle out of it. Yeah I'd say Greta having a great spouse partner who. When I'm I'm feeling less confident I can bring that to She's often very helpful in in in restoring my confidence and it's to create that same experience now with Greta with my say what I thought I'd finally shows. John was still arlene here. Here's the latest. What Book Changed Your Life Okay? That's good this. This is a funny one but actually it was Bernard Malamud The natural I read was like the first book I read. I think kind of like felt like a grown. Oh notebook how old were you. I was pretty young. I think it was like Like ten And I we were allowed to pick pick our own. You know at that point. You've been assigned books you know and I'd love to kill a mockingbird catcher in the rye great gatsby all the books that were that were part of the school curriculum at that time but then we were allowed to pick a book and I picked it because it was baseball. But it's really about mythology collagen about American mythology. It's a book that's just stayed with me my my whole life And they made a very good movie of it but they they've ch. They changed it in the movie and I like how they changed it as like as a separate thing but the book has always stayed with me as a feel like. There's a lot in it about wrote about the world and about ambition and success but also the American dream and what that really is that I think also it was the book itself but it was also the fact that I was reading something that felt like it was from the adult world when I was still a kid and that I understood it and liked it so so much it gave me confidence at way. Your questions twice. I know better her answers in the next question. Will you like let it takes. Yes thank you so much. No I really had fun me to thank you Allan. This is great and this has been clear and vivid. At least I hope so will mike thanks to discovery for being are presenting sponsor this season all the income from the ADS. You here go to the Center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University. versity just by listening to this podcast. You're contributing to the better communication of science. So thank you for more information about the oldest center. Please visit visit all the center dot org no his recent film marriage story debuts on Netflix on December six and you want to check out some of his other films like squid and the whale and also Greenberg and Frances Ha both of which star his incredibly talented partner actress actress and writer and Director Greta Gerwig this episode was produced by Graham shed with help from our associate producer. Sarah Chase Are Sound engineer is Dan Zula are Tech Guru is Alison Causton. Publicist is Sarah Hill. You could subscribe to our podcasts for free free at apple podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you listen for more details about clear and vivid sign up for my newsletter police visit Alan alda dot com. 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And now I'm interacting with with them and you know it's a bit trying to be cool and trying to like well. We were both trying to and the colder we got the more it amused us. Yes and then we got in trouble with the director. That's really starting to break each and I felt like we were getting in trouble for being funny and I mean that's the best. I think food the best feeling when you feel like. You're connecting with an actor Ben Stiller next time when clear and vivid uh-huh.

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Driver & Baumbach, Together Again

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Driver & Baumbach, Together Again

"From the broadcast center at KPCC. It's the frame. I'm John Horn. Today's show the Co Star and director of the new bill. uh-huh marriage story. We'll hear from Adam driver about working with Noah Baumbach for the fourth time and then bombeck says he wanted to make the divorce process in his film as has real as possible so we had family law attorneys read history play. I would actually have the lawyers in a sense. Defend my fictional people so I I would say like okay. So what would happen if this person is up against this person did this. What ammunition would you use and will meet the Mexican composer who has become a favourite with L. A.? Fill all that coming up on the frame. In Noah Baumbach new film marriage story Adam driver and Scarlett the Joe Hansen. Play a husband and wife whose marriage is falling apart. It's not a spoiler. It's the opening scene in the film ahead of a screening of marriage story at the telluride film festival this year and in front of a live audience. I spoke with driver. Just after Martin Scorsese presented him with a career. Honor driver was does it. Tell you right for mirrored story and another upcoming movie the report in which he plays A. US Senate investigator looking into this as use of torture after nine eleven even driver explained what his relationships are like with directors. He's worked with multiple times and that list includes Jim Jarmusch and marriage story. Filmmaker Noah Baumbach comeback. And there's there's something that we are way of working. Our work ethic is a similar. They they don't take it for granted that we're making a movie a AH has the potential to reach a place that is far away and either give language to a culture. That's completely different than ours. And someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right now for this amount of time to do this thing that will last last forever and labeled the feeling and how powerful that is you know why take that for granted why show up and kind of wing it or not. Consider what it is. You're saying and that no detail is too small now. Obviously there's traps and all of that that you can get so worked up and details sales that you're you're trying to control everything and don't leave room for something that's more abstract but with those people. They're brilliant writers and and create a set an environment onset. Where you're free to you know all those things that you hope from from people? You're free to get it wrong and you're free to explore and But really don't take it for granted if I was trying to summarize it which is kind of hard. They very much curated the people that they want to work with in front and behind the camera camera and you feel like I mean as much as everything both has meaning and as meaningless and we we don't don't take it for granted and finding people that have your same work ethic. It's a rare thing I think. I just repeated myself three times show of hands. How many people learned telluride for the atom driver double feature marriage story and the report? Wow okay that's about half a house I'm GonNa ask you question without spoiling either film I wanna ask you about Dan. Jones and CIA's post nine eleven detention and interrogation program which a lot of people would call torture. They called it extreme rendition other things what would you say about that going into it without giving it away about why that movie spoke to you and why you thought it was something you wanted to do. The topic is something that I you know embarrassing. They didn't know anything about and I mean the original report is over six thousand pages. The redacted version is just over five hundred and our script with one hundred thirty. How do you how do you tell that story as economically as possible but not without leaving the humanity out of it so that all of those things just seemed I an opportunity to potentially bring a topic to light that has been in the dark and that I was inspired by that? You hope there's people like that in a room alone. Toiling away for six years with no support trying to WHO Trying to make a difference and that relationship with something that you've grown up with thinking that you can trust and suddenly you know you have to not only do you feel like you're trying to make a moral judgment for the country but internally as well all those the reasons why I want to do you recently doing burn this this and I'm wondering when you're doing a play and then going into film or television. What are the things that you might miss but retain it's an actor who's doing a show in front of a different audience every night when you're not able to replicate that on a film set? Yeah it's a totally different thing. It's working working. With Noah for example. He likes to do a lot of takes. That actually feels more familiar to working on a play because the lines of the lines. There's no there's no Improv. This is what it is. We're blocking it out. But the intention can be a million different things and he structured the day smartly so we have enough time to explore all the possibilities of what it could be not just arbitrarily but I mean sometimes and then sometimes you have to rebel against him then and just do it the way you want to do it. Just a shock yourself in shock the system and then maybe come up with something better. You know. It's like a whole run of a rehearsal truncated into a day. You know which is rare with someone like no and you're also rehearsing you know if you can be as much as you can before you start just being prepared to give yourself time to explore all the options and when you don't do that with a soderbergh then I tend to have a regret of like you can't help go home and imagine I had all these ideas that now but then again. Maybe those were bad ideas. So I don't know anything. The tribute is a sham. Last question I think there are a lot of things that different people will take away from marriage story one being. If you're thinking about going into family law you might reconsider it. But what was the thing that you treasure about making this film with knowing scarlet again. That could be a long answer that I know I should keep short. I mean this movie is hard to feel a hard to talk about because it's very personal and it was personal to all the people who made a collectively and we talked about it. You know a couple couple years before we started making those conversations of what it's about or what will retry do are still happening. But how love can transition and how that can be violent not physically violent an internal violent thing of you know. Oh someone kinetically where you know. It's everything you're what you were in a room where you are together a second nature then suddenly divorce that you know from yourself a uh that could be painful but maybe it's just transitioning into something different and I thought that was a beautiful idea. This is not a sham. Adam coming up on the frame. The writer and director of marriage story Noah Baumbach on capturing the heartbreak of divorce Our next guest is filmmaker Noah Baumbach he wrote and directed Indie Dr Lanes Lanes like Margot at the wedding and the squid in the way all his stories often feature realistic and flawed characters. And it holds true for his latest film marriage. Story Charlie and Nicole played by Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson or a couple struggling with the early stages of their divorce bombeck painstakingly mapped out the process process of their separation. And that makes watching marriage story. especially if you're married a bit like watching a horror film here's how bombeck described the movie when we we recently spoke at the Middleburg Film Festival. I have a friend who said the movie gets divorced. So you don't have to which I think is a nice message for married couples. It's relatively Glib Glib. Netflix has another movie. That's playing at Middleburg called two. Popes your movie is called marriage story. They both seem like obvious. Titles but almost inevitable did you play around with other things to call. This didn't coordinate with Fernandez. I I It was it was the working title from the beginning with. Maybe the idea that I'd come up with something else but Like pseudo you know for Phil Collins but something something about the movie resisted more specific or poetic titles things like the squid and the whale. Didn't there was no squid and the whale to be found and so I I kept coming back to it. I liked it as its in. Its Simplicity WanNa ask you a little bit because Adam drivers said that this was as a collaborative process and obviously the writer director. But how would you describe the process of putting the story together and before he started filming what you were talking to at least your actors about it. From the onset it was important for me to know who the actors were early. Some of the actors were in the movie. I wanted To Have Charlie Nicole in my head is inspiration but also because I wanted to bring the actors in to the process. Awesome did I- i- Adam. I've been friends with now when so when I brought him sort of some of these ideas he would say like. Oh these are things I might. He was interested in playing a theater director. That's as I remember. That's how that came into the movie. You have have often had characters who are very articulate. They could be writers they could be theater directors could be they are very capable expressing themselves selves and talking about maybe what. They're feeling they're feeling about somebody else. Is that something that you think is a pattern. That you like articulate secret characters who happen to have articulate jobs does one beget the other. I don't know I don't I don't think about it like that. Quite the artistic the fact they were artists and and creative and professional partners in this movie was I thought important and also narrative interesting because there was sort of more at stake. You know even even more at stake. I should say. In in their break-up there's a moment in the film where Adams character sure. I think it's the closing night of scarlets. Play is still giving her notes right that in some ways he is directing her when it. It doesn't even matter anymore and also may be important to point out before he gives her the no he he's not going to do it but she recognizes that in him so she knows him so well and so. You're also revealing kind of intimacy between the two characters because it's early on in the movie one of the things that really struck me and I think get strikes other people about this film. Is that when we think about relationships falling apart there's often some horrific event or some betrayal all or some scene and this is not that this is you know incremental and it's not until the end of the film. There's nothing dramatic but were. Are you aware consciously avoiding those big moments that we typically see in a relationship. Breakup Story. Yeah it was important for me that there not be one reason or one breaking point. You know that it's it's something that that happens often. I think invisibly visibly but also under your nose you know and and in the movie also begins at the. They've already decided to break up. So if there there were those sort of moments they would have happened before the movie starts when you are having conversations with yourself with people. You're talking to for research with your actors jurors about relationships about divorce. What are the kinds of questions that you want to ask other people? What kind of perspectives are you looking for? And how those perspectives inform the movie made. Yeah they I mean. They informed a lot and I often talk to friends of mine who's divorces. I had been present for me. I've been friends with them during the their divorces and and what was interesting is in going back and kind of interviewing them in a more formalized way they often been revealed things that they hadn't revealed the time and I think because it's another thing about divorces at that there's often great shame that accompanies it and people I think aren't often ready to talk about at all while it's happening and often don't want to think about it after it's over so it was interesting to kind of jog doc. People's memories and get back into some of these things and painful And also to hear about how they were now and how they were able to work his his parents which is also a big part of the movie with with professionals with lawyers and judges and evaluators in mediators. I talked to. I actually often had them help with the story. I mean I. I asked them like process like logistical logistics. How this hearing go? I wouldn't write myself into something and and and then call and say I would actually have the lawyers in a sense. Defend my fictional people so I would say like okay so what would happen if this person soon was up against this person did this. What how? What ammunition would you use? And that's a huge part of the story because at a certain point without giving anything away these characters lose control of their own narrative. Their story is told by someone else. And it's told in a way that is truthful to an extent but it's truthful in service of a of a greater goal which is to have leverage and power right and that it becomes the story of what you control what you give up to get back what you WanNa do info right now. That's a very good way to put. It is that they lose control of their own narrative and they also lose their voices in a sense the way we would shoot scenes often and with the lawyers as we we we would. We Shot Adam and scarlets character as if they're having conversation and we cut between their faces back and forth. But we're not hearing them. They're not saying anything. The lawyers are speaking. It's it's almost like either internal monologue or some kind of Avatar experience of of these people talking and and and a very important part of the story. I should say also partly why I stuck with the title marriage story going back to your first question. 'CAUSE 'cause there what is the marriage story you know and and and during the divorce who has control of the narrative we're talking about Noah Baumbach about his new movie marriage story. There's a phrase in journalism called gathering. String I and that is you could be working on a story for months. Maybe years and you're getting a little nugget here a little nugget there and then you put it all together and you said something earlier that I was struck by that you you would ask other friends of yours who had gone through what happened and I'm wondering did you kind of intentionally or unintentionally be. Were you gathering string for this film for for a long time. Yeah did feel that way I because I took actual notes but I think it took a lot of mental notes over the years I mean and also after I went through my own divorce I and I was the child of divorce as well and I made the squid and the whale which is also has marriage breaking up as as well and it's one of those ones where for years I knew not to start to write it. I felt like I. I had this movie in me but I wasn't ready to do it. What changed I don't know it? It's sort of I think to your gathering string Metaphor it's it's it's suddenly something in you feel like you have enough and so I felt like now let's try. It could not have worked. Could've would've run into a dead end. I think then it was then really doing all the research I did. Which helped me help me do it? And also and also so working knowing what I was going to work with these actors and You know and and and sort of finding this sort of expansive. It's of story. That was kind of beyond me and yet it's not. This is a story about marriage ending but there's a lot of moments of kindness and compassion and humour. I thought we should talk. Okay Komo start when you're either shooting or an editorial. How do you figure out what that right balances? And how you make sure that it feels like you're not diminishing the stakes by making things not always as terrible as they could be. There were a lot of hidden genres in the story which I didn't even necessarily appreciate going into it but as I was writing it I started to discovered that the that it was sort of part thriller part screwball comedy. Comedy Part Courtroom Procedural It's a love story it's A musical times I mean. There's there's absurdity to having to serve legal papers to your husband and and I felt like well that's just there so it really provided me many of these opportunities without having to dress it up one way or the other. There's a song in the film and I won't say where it happens from. Company being alive to crowd With someone to force you care someone to make you come through it. Always be there at the at at. What point did you start thinking that that was a song that needed to be in your film? I have joke that I reverse engineered this entire movie just to put that song in into it or dive Adam. Sing that song. I that is going back to what we talked about earlier. I Something that Ataman I had talked about actually a AH for a while is how much we love that musical and I had it as I was writing. The script is a kind of note on the side that I would and as I was going I I also felt will then scarlet should have a song as well And and it should be from the same musical so it would provide very different narrative value. All you teach character. But they're connected because they're from the same musical Noah great to see you you too. Thank you mirrored. Story is in select theaters today and December six on Net flicks up next on the frame. The little known story of African slavery in Mexico GEICO comes to the concert stage. It will be you knew that this is yeah see. I'm John Horn and this is the frame. The Los Angeles Philharmonic recently premiered new work by the Mexican composer Gabriela Ortiz. The piece was inspired hard by the little known story of African Slavery Including Era Mexico. And the abolitionist who fought for his people's freedom. The frame contributor Beto Arcos has has the story on Ortiz's history with the orchestra which now includes four commissions. There was not an empty seat at Disney Hall on a recent Sunday afternoon. The the program was a sort of double bill. Beethoven's Ninth Symphony and a new work. Gabriela Ortiz called gender the piece began to build slowly but when the Mbu Percussion Ensemble joined in the music corrupted into every corner of the hall the Working Relationship Between Artistes and failed goes back two decades and received his commission which is the Ford Commission for the field stubble the mail and at the beginning mean he requests me to write a piece that could be pair with batons ninth symphony and will be part of these four concerts. Nice to celebrate the Hundred Years of the foundation of the orchestra. Do The mail asked or this to write a piece for choir and Orchestra and Sung in Spanish or not says says. She was a bit intimidated by the request. Because you know being with Beethoven's ninth is a huge thing it's one of the most important pieces in in nineteen th century but on the other hand of course it was a wonderful opportunity one of the most talented composers in the world not only in Mexico not only in our continent in the World Mujtaba through the mail is the LA feels music and artistic director. She half an ability to bring colors to green rhythm. Harmonies that you connect with you. And that is something beautiful something unique. And these started thinking about the themes that could be buried with Schiller's Ode to joy a poem that's part of the nine symphonies fourth with movement. She says she had long wanted to write an opera about younger. A liberator of slaves in colonial Mexico. She learned about younger through her husband. Flutist Alejandro Underway Square. He'd read the Book Attic by author Gary Jennings and immediately. When he read the book he said You know you must know about? The story of Jenga is an amazing. They seem story Jenga was at brains from Gabon. In West Africa. He was forcibly brought to Mexico slave. In the sixteenth century. Fifteen seventy Jan Rutta along with other slaves manage to escape from the Spaniards and founded the first Maroon colony in the American continent in the early sixteen hundreds the Spanish colonial government organized campaign against him to regain control but failed and finally in sixteen eighteen. The Spanish agreed to youngest terms and signed a treaty. Granting his family the right of rule over the colony Roy this desire of freedom That made younger to fight and risk his life and risk the life of peace. Sam People he sam represented by a group of instruments which portrayed the strange this volume he got out of the Artistic Director of Mexico's Taboo. Percussion on sambol Guyana for this piece. The groups elected specific instrumentation those instruments of Afro American origin and in combination with two or three instruments of African origin because with when these instruments arrive in this new continent they got transform again. The La Fails Hills. Who stumbled with this piece deserves to play many times because it sends a beautiful such it shows our culture? Our blood our rhythm team as one America in that beautiful connection in the beautiful mess Ashby of media that of freedom. The story of Jonah has to do with that to to be able to to live within freedom and to respect the human rights now and also the text of Schiller talks about that talks about fraternity talks about equality. Gabriela says the ideals expressed in Schiller's Ode to Joy are as relevant today as the four hundred year. Old Story of an abolitionist. Name the younger for the frame. I'm Beth articles. Yeah and that will do it for today remember. You can follow us on facebook and twitter. 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Mon. 12/23 - Armie Hammer and Ryan Phillippe Probably did Sponcon for Saudi Arabia

Celeb News Ride Home

18:11 min | 1 year ago

Mon. 12/23 - Armie Hammer and Ryan Phillippe Probably did Sponcon for Saudi Arabia

"Welcome to the celebrities ride home for Monday. December twenty third twenty nineteen. I'm your host Kate Raft. It's Christmas week. It's Hanukkah Week. There's a lot going on right. Now clearly I'm unraveling at the seams. Because last night I accidentally dyed my hair grey and now I look like a sweet silver-haired grandma so when you listen to today's episode just imagine. My voice is coming from my celebrity obsessed Mrs Claus type. I guess. Today's topic's bill. Hader and Rachel Vilson dating tons of CELEBS are getting called out for doing spawn con for Saudi Arabia. Miley Cyrus and Cody Simpson aren't broken up. Or maybe they are and as a parting in Christmas gift to you all. We're going to do a little dive into the timeline of Greta. GERWIG and Noah Baumbach relationship. Here's what you missed today in the world of celebrity celebrity news. Where were you when you found out bill? Hader and Rachel bill sin. We're in a serious relationship. Personally I was home in my kitchen pouring myself a cup of coffee checking twitter then. The mug crashed to the floor. Coffee sprayed everywhere chunks of ceramic landed around my feet. But I didn't care because Rachel Belsen was spotted getting coffee with bill hater in his hometown of Tulsa Oklahoma. And that's all that mattered. It's all that matters. The a couple got coffee at starbucks. Like I said they held hands. They were photographed. Bill Haters family. was there TMZ reported it. I mean Rachel. Bilton went went home with Bill Hater for the holidays. I love this. I would watch a hallmark channel Christmas movie about this happening. I just in fact it is. It's the movie to me. This piece of news is a movie. And it's my favorite movie L. Dot Com covered. This outing and gave some background on Rachel and bills history together. They wrote quote rumors about the couple date back to early November when hater was photographed on a date with bill sin according to US weekly the pair. In fact have history. Together they appeared in two thousand thirteen's the to do list which was directed by haters Mao. Ex Wife Maggie Carey and had a sexy together. Both Bilton and hater are two years out from. I'm divorce. She separated from husband. Hayden Christianson in September twenty seventeen and the two share a five year old daughter. Briar Rose Hater and Kerry split let in July two thousand seventeen and have three daughters together and quote. Listen the holidays. They're a stressful time. Everyone's a mess right now. We really needed needed. This good news. Why is it good news? I don't I don't know it just feels good you know. This is a piece of celebrity news. That's it's safe. It's warm it's wholesome. It's the holidays are all about Rachel. Bilton and Bill Hader invented Christmas to me. That's just my personal religious beliefs. The biggest weirdest and definitely most curse story of the day is definitely the fact that celebrities celebrities and influencers got allegedly paid by the Saudi Arabian government to attend and post about the MD L. Beast Festival in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. This past weekend you know Saudi Arabia the country. WERE THEY SEGREGATE PEOPLE BY GENDER and punish homosexuality with death you you know. The country allegedly behind the murder of journalist. Jamal Khashoggi Yup Dot Saudi Arabia some of the notable celebs and influencers who attended the event are are armie Hammer. Ryan Phillipi Ed Westwick Olivia Coposu via Ritchie. Scott Disick Joan smalls Allesandra Ambrosio Jordan done Stella Maxwell Arena shake former the festival included Aphrodisiac Steve. Ao Ghee David Guetta and see me Hayes. Obviously the backlash to this was huge. People are pissed. I'm Piz one of the first outlets to call. This out was diet product. Who wrote in A WELL-CRAFTED WELL-CRAFTED I g post quote? What's worse than An? All white at revolve influence her trip. Cashing big fat check. In exchange for HASHTAG CONTENT CREATION CREATION AKA propaganda to rehabilitate the image of Saudi Arabia. A country said to be causing the world's worst humanitarian crisis. According to the united the nation's according to anonymous sources six-figure sums were offered for attendance and Geo tagged posts end quote twitter user at Zara Rahim called out celebs on this paid sponsored content trip saying quote my friend at PF picardy just flagged that there's a group of celebs and influencers on a free image injury habit trip to Saudi Arabia. Did you know you could not go to places that dismember journalists murder queer people and violently oppressed women under the guise of religion and quote writer and podcast on me not to so also chimed in writing quote would love to know which PR firms Kingdom of. Saudi Arabia hired to do you. Its Image Rehab sick to see celebs and influencers shamelessly promoting this nonsense and quote pretty much every single person who attended and posted about this event and is now getting flooded with comments calling them out for this behavior. Actor and ex husband of Reese Witherspoon Ryan Filipi responded to the backlash tweeting quote. We're all human off in another tweet. He wrote quote. Your government is without fault cool. I've never known of one progress in change. Take time it is happening. Opening here and was an awesome place to visit is closed with tongue out EMOJI and quote. Yikes I mean. That's a big Ole. Yikes some people are reporting adding that the influencers invited on this trip offered six figure like I said earlier but yes shar. Elite tweeted kind of a blind item. Thing saying quote a major film slash TVs. He's jar tells me that she and her husband were offered eight figures through their representatives to go on this trip but declined and quote in case. You're bad at math. Eight figures means Over ten million dollars. That's insane. I'm dying to know who this film slash TV star and her husband are by the way this blind item couple that I just talked about. Weren't the only people to turn down this lucrative offer according to Pink News. Emily Radic Hausky declined. This offer in the article on Pink News they wrote quote in a statement addressed to Diet Prada Radic Hausky explained why she declined to attend the festival quote. It's very very important to me to make clear my support for the rights of women the Lgbtq community freedom of expression. And the right to a free press I hope coming forward on this brings more attention to the injustices happening. Here and quote. Pink News also wrote about Army Hammers Bizarre praise of the festival. They summed up his instagram captions. Saying quote praising the festival armie Hammer declared that it felt like a cultural shift although the culture hasn't shifted far enough to stop punishing homosexuality with public whippings chemical across the life imprisonment torture and death and quotes. Okay so Miley Cyrus. And and Cody Simpson aren't broken up or are they. I'm confused. I think there may be broken up but maybe maybe I'm wrong. I mean what do I know who who am I in this world. I'm no one. Here's what I do know. Everyone thought that Miley and cody broke up this weekend. Because Miley posted something thing vague about being lonely writing in caption quote even with a house full of family and friends. I still feel alone and quote the next day after. This is fake. Post about loneliness cody. Her boyfriend was photographed out and about with a playboy model. So if it looks like a break-up and acts like a break up and smells like break-up everyone probably thinks it's break-up but then cody's sister Alli Simpson spoke out to the Daily Mail insisting that Miley and cody are still thing. Allie clarified. That Jodi the playboy model he was seen with is actually the girlfriend of cody. Simpson's friend Ryan McCarthy. So maybe they're not broken up but then then I saw this article on page six. That saying cody was out late last night into the wee hours of this morning that source told page six quote. He was drinking being in Fullerton with girls. He was texting Miley. While they're the source also added quote. He was with all these girls and one was almost fainting and he kissed her on the Lips Lips with no tongue end quote. I love that this source. who leaked this gossip to page? Six somehow knows that there was no tongue involved in the kiss. I personally I choose to believe that this source is a little Goblin that lives inside. Of Cody Simpson's mouth. Well other they're broken up or not always remember the couple fondly especially the time time they announced they were starting a band called bandit and Bardo rest in peace bandit and Bardo or not engage us together and what's going on. Aw Aw Hilary Duff. Got Married this past weekend at her home in La to her longtime boyfriend and father one of her kids Matthew Koma according adding to source who spoke to people who quote the wedding was at her house it was small and low key only family and close friends. The ceremony started at sunset and they got married it inside the house. When the ceremony was over guests cheered? The reception was in a white tent in the backyard. The source adds her sister. Healy was very involved in the wedding adding prep to Hillary and Haley are very close and quote. I love this was the source. Was this source Haley. What if the source was Hayley and she just wanted to add that she and her her sister are very close and I also like the part of that quote where the source says guests cheered what funny little detail that the guests cheered? And I'm glad that we now know that the guests at Hillary Duff sweating did in fact. Cheer well I don't have a lot of thoughts on this like a winter wedding. I like when weddings are close close to or on actual holidays because it's very inconvenient for the wedding guests and in my opinion the best weddings are weddings. That kind of troll you a little bit anyway anyway looked at the photos. Hilary Duff looks very good. She's got a great dress. Hillary did some wedding dress video thing with Vogue in case you love wedding content. Go check that got out. Hilary Duff posted about wedding on her instagram and acute pick of her and Matt. They're standing in front of a station wagon. That says just married on the back. It has like little cans ends dangling on strings a classic wedding shot the caption on the post. Just said this anyway. It's the holidays. So I'm GONNA generously gift you with Awesome Boring bullet-point facts about Hillary and Matt. Here we go. They're both thirty two years old and other one is. He's a singer songwriter. He wrote that Song. That's like if this tragedy Eddie. The that said Song by the way they've been together. Since early early 2017 they had a daughter together banks violet bear on October twenty fifth. Two thousand eighteen. Hilary Duff also has a son from her previous marriage with Mike Comrie his name is Lucas Cruz. He's eight and that's GonNa be it for the bullet point facts about Hillary Duff and Matthew Comas Relationship Noah Baumbach film marriage story is getting word season. Buzz has and actually so. Is Greta Gerwig film little women which means were in a rare publicity cycle where Noah Baumbach and his romantic partner. Greta Gerwig wake are both doing press at the same time. Some of them are even join interviews. And they're both dodging questions about their relationship. Everyone knows that marriage story semi autobiographically graphically follows no was twenty ten through twenty thirteen divorce with actress. Jennifer Jason Leigh in the movie spoiler alert by the way Adam drivers character cheats cheats on Scarlett Johansson character with a younger woman who he works with and this happened while they were still married. Some people are saying that the cheating plot point might hint at had an affair between Greta. GERWIG and Noah Baumbach. Who did actually work together on the film Greenberg while Noah was still married to Jennifer? Jason Leigh Greta And no one got together and became a couple right after he left. Jennifer Jason. Leigh was there some sort of overlap. There was there any cheating we don't know but the fine the folks over at Oh. No they didn't one of my all time favorite CELEB- gossip sites did a deep dive. And they wrote up an actual timeline of Noah in Grad his relationship. And it certainly only feels like something sketchy may have happened. There post reads quote early. Two thousand ten. Baumbach forty-one Directs Greenberg about a carpenter who hooks up with a much younger personal personal assistant played by Greta. Gerwig who was then twenty six Lee forty eight shared a writing credit with Bob Hawke on the film March. Two thousand ten Greenberg is released. Lee gives birth to their son November. Twenty ten Lee files for divorce. Their son is a months old. GERWIG becomes bomb box. New Partner Muse and collaborator collaborator and quote additionally owner. They didn't report it. That no one in Grad. I did a joint interview during the press rounds for Francis Haw in April two thousand thirteen where they insisted insisted. They didn't start dating until after his marriage ended. The divorce was legally finalized a few months after that interview in October of two thousand thirteen. Oh no they didn't as saying saying that. The timeline is quote sketchy other people agree summer. Even speculating that Greta no got together. While Jennifer was still pregnant twitter user at platypus underscore shark mark. wrote quote noticed. Adam driver Noah Baumbach saying that Scarlett Johansson Jennifer Jason. Leigh didn't have sex with him for the last year so him cheating with Greta. GERWIG GERWIG was okay but JJ L. was pregnant when we left her. So and then they added a Gif of during the real housewives of New York saying saying. I'm a math teacher. And it's not adding up for me. Another twitter user at dying since ninety seven wrote quote the way in which Greta and Noah. We'll have decided to do this. Promo together even though they know they're going to be asked about the relationship and timeline and Jennifer but they don't care because they want to be the golden olden couple of Hollywood like my God have some shame and quote so basically people were speculating. That cheating plotline in the movie marriage story has Asadollah Greta Gerwig and some of the time line of events backs this theory up. I personally love the this drama is going down because because it feels very messy and Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig feel like they're very much trying not to be the types of celebrities that are embroiled in scandal so he you know that part of it's fun to watch anyway. Everyone you should all be reading. Oh no they didn't they are my personal woodward and Bernstein Goodbye everyone it's been a great. You know first couple of weeks here. I am taking a little. Oh break for the holidays just the next three days. I'll be back on Friday. I've been kate raft. You could follow me at Kate. Ross on everything thinks to fried who media and my co producer engineer. Jack Allison leave us a review on apple podcasts. I mean that's all I want for Christmas and Hanukkah. Give me presence in the form of positive reviews of my podcasts. Ya Yes safe travels safe. You know holiday partying and let's hope the celebrities do some wild and crazy holiday stuff in the next few days so that we have something about on Friday personally. I'm hoping that there are a few corny Christmas proposals in these celebrity crowd. I mean there's got to be at least one this year right okay. That's it by Friday hello.

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Marriage Story, Abominable, Rebecca Keegan

Cinephile: The Adnan Virk Movie Podcast

52:48 min | 1 year ago

Marriage Story, Abominable, Rebecca Keegan

"You're doing it was during our Mount Rushmore segment and we were looking at I think psychological thrillers yes that could be you're right I think seven please do subscribe rate and review on Apple podcasts this one here from the Justin the show is great although we have different movie tastes I enjoy the reviews being limited release in theaters November six so I figured we'd get out the jump right now and talk Noah Baumbach film which I was happy enough and lucky enough to see thanks that will get into with Rebecca also Mount Rushmore speaking of abominable we'll be talking about kids movies and Go into that as always really appreciate all the comments in this one is a great one excellent pod with a great balance of interviews and reviews but the fifth stars off the shadow too big night no movie has made me go straight to my favorite Italian restaurant but doing so in a much harsher way than Mardi was to quote Coppola Martin was being kind they're despicable all right clearly not a fan of alkyl men Galway such a special experience because the whole crowd into it nobody just stumbled into the movie everyone's there because they're excited and they're fired up and they're knowledgeable film fans and Noah Baumbach was there the writer reporter I reached out to Rebecca and she was great to come on get her thoughts Francis Ford Coppola agreeing with this boy martyr says and doubling down the criticism of Marvin Louise That's nice always go back to great movies like that Jodi remember when I mentioned seven I often mentioned taxi driver I think I was talking about joker when did I mentioned seven maybe it was in the same review I'm not sure I think we actor as was Adam driver as Scarlett Johansson as was the rest of the supporting cast which is excellent Alan alda Laura dern and Ray Liotta and the story and check out the going off topic podcast shameless plug caddyshack forever all right we'll get one more in here from Steve always inciteful consistently gives me films to go back and rewatch carrying on the Russillo show last week he needs to come on the bad guy I love this pot always fun for a great movie in phone honest views Alabama instances time at ESPN and the laboratory. It's actually Jason Bugging me go Jay Karachi go check out the interview I did with Tony Shalhoub because they brought up big night with him he had a really good answer about that I mean it's just a just a fantasy was in that one as well all right good I appreciate it when listening good stuff as always let's start now with marriage story which is good me on Netflix I believe in December but it's actually Israel's new ones to check out for the first time rewind taxi driver and seven this week after Adnan mentioned them in a couple of recent episodes forgot how much I love them all thanks I appreciate Adam driver each taking turns complimenting the the other so you have Scarlett Johansson talking about I'm Dr Degree husband and the fact that he's a great show he's as likable host great movie I love the bottom binge that's right bought a binge we've only got four more weeks left thank you appreciate that very much from the bad guy also hear from joker mastic movie also in here from Kells new listener but subscribe right away really love the way it looks in films breaks them down no spoilers smart way of looking at things can wait for future episodes comeback as saying as festering wounds eventually he'll and a new normalcy develops that's from bobby bloom of journaling curry in Lafayette Indiana like that review of is this story but it could be called divorce story because it's about a couple that is going through a divorce and trying to do things as painlessly as possible an order enough food for my extended family keep up the good work Adnan from J. Karachi thank you so much man I adore big if you haven't heard it j j Dawson Generous Person. I sat next to for the Irishman so she gave me your ticket Melanie B Alice Melby hooking it up so I got to watch meredith story at the film festival and again if you've never seen a movie at The New York Film Festival you've got Oh okay well the good back together this is not reconciliation the therapist recommends they start out by praising each other so that when things get a little bit messy up over the material which as that review noted is definitely ron painful and the best sequence entire movie is argument that her Adam driver the equivalent of watching this argument between the two but it is ferociously well done I mean I couldn't imagine one of the many things I appreciate actors do take after take and I couldn't imagine doing relationships end well how do we make this work as best as possible and it's a much cleaner break when there's no children involved but of course they do have a child so how do we figure this out and she's an actress aging as best as you can with adversity right for whatever reason she wants to go out and he's like okay well I guess if the relationship going to end and we've all been there they are a member you know why they I fell in love with each other and all that kind of stuff and of course the therapy session that ends badly and away we go and Mary Stories is I think definitely one of the best the story one of the film's reviewing this time on the file in addition to talking about abominable to the kids movie out and our Special Guest Rebecca Keegan from the other and he's always there for the kids even love the things that you should hate when you're apparent which is kids having tantrums or kids being in the middle of the night and then likewise grab which is just explosive and it's just so heated in it so raw because all the emotion comes spilling out and all these long jess data when he wrote the script he based a lot of it on his own experiences and Sculpture Hansen really connected the script having been through it herself and so they kind of had their own kinship powerful secrets comes in the final third of the movie and most though is not that most the movie is not reconciliation but man I and I love the way that the movies start really smart engaging way by Noah Baumbach the first words are back voiceover narration and it is both Scarlett Johansson ages cunning and Sharp and brilliant and they do it all with a big broad smile on their face I mean the sequences where the former all sitting down now there are no longer are let's try to make the separation as painless as possible but of course that is not easy to do I thought the movie really nailed all the potential pitfalls films of the year I think it's going to be on lots of best of lists I'm giving it three and a half maple leaves because I enjoyed it so much and I thought it was just a really smart film I credit goes to know about takes in that scene even doing wants must have been exhausting emotionally to imagine madame driver and Scarlett Johansson doing it multiple times is almost too much to bear but it's a very eh I the lawyer for Adam drivers AAll again is is wonderful because he's just so avuncular and kind and he's like an old couch she just like a comfy guides when squeezes cheeks driver can I get knocked for a loop once you see scar Joe's already hired a lawyer and the performance of the film and perhaps one of the best performances of the year nate persuasion who is totally hardboiled and top and I wish we had more screen time in the movies only in a few scenes but leonidas fantastic he's such a good actor and it's good to see him with a roll like this which provide pursued things get messy things get a bit dirty it doesn't mean that the couples don't still love each other it just means that for whatever reason they can't be together but at what point they were in love some some meat really is kind of chartres that can circle with dern but this is the way of divorce especially in today's age you've got to figure things out and they should live in Los Angeles and that Adam drivers should be paying X. amount of money because a B and c like it's it's amazing how well she's done which is where you enter Ray Liotta because again he is a shark of the in her the fact she's sensitive and caring the way she falls asleep while reading a bulker this and that it's really nice extended sequence and then you see the two characters in a therapy session here sacrifice for him and I think when you're doing that as an audience you know when you're making the film experience interactive that's always a great movie you know it's like I always get frustrated people who don't like of it and the the biggest key with marriage story the way Noah Baumbach wrote it conceived it and eventually delivered it is that you're not picking sides that you're not saying burn is absolutely getting it nominee for best supporting actress and I would think might win because she is tremendous lemon she is exactly what you expect divorce lawyers to be but the hitter the last time he was up where is he looking in the zone other runners on base what's the crowd environment like etc same thing in a movie if you're just passively watching action entertainment okay that's fine but back who is the writer and director who himself was going through a divorce with Jennifer Jason Leigh low turn hateful eight and Jansen also came through divorce so is to me I thought it was a little hackneyed the way the seed was not only conceived but also delivered I said I don't like movies trying that hard to wring emotion out of me them being together is no longer in the picture joep very very excited to see it I kind of have one question for you the seems like such a heavy topic but I've also read that it still I'll take a little bit of sentiment at times but when I can see the strings being played then I get a little bit annoyed and I think the first twenty minutes or so take a little while to get rolled it's a really strong film I recommend it and I do think that the ending did a good job of trying to balance out the fact you feel for these characters and you root for them even though you realize that wants to go back to L. A. and he's a theater director in New York so first and foremost geography how's this GonNa work we lived in New York we're living in L. A. was she wants to be in La but I can't leave because I've got the this is never been nominated for an academy award before I think she'll get nominated for best actress drivers never won before he might win for best actor up against Joaquin Phoenix for joker and a few others as well but a little bit like Oscar Bait to me with regards to Adam drivers character and again maybe this was the downside of being with his crowd but the cruiser cheering at the scene and I was like this is a little man there's there's at least a handful of like laugh out loud moments that are really funny and again it's not demonizing the characters it just shows that sometimes people are a little bit there's there's nothing happening we know everything's happening you're boring you're the one niners doing what's happening you're not looking at the fact whereas the catcher setting up what's the pitch going to be where the outfielder shading the pitcher we're well then so you kind of just laughed at the way the angst going to overcome some of the frustration so yes absolutely you're right even though it's should be heavy subject matter which is the really funny at times so was Noah Baumbach able to balance out the comedic tone throughout the movie while dealing with such a heavy topic yeah great the best movies make you think along with them emerge story thank lose refreshing in that and the movie like this you're GonNa stick the landing the only reason I'm taking a half a maple leaf off there's a senior which felt going to be one of the best films between nineteen I totally get whites awards heavyweight whites being mentioned for certainly nominations driver and for Johannesen for bombeck scarlet it is definitely similar in tone to that I used to say about bombeck. He's kind of like Wes Anderson Light you know he's similar style in that his movies are maybe a little bit too cute for some but one you've got a diverse cast a lot of Asian Americans as the voices chloe Bennet EZE Albert Cy is paying tenzing norgay try as Jin Aveling of a union it actually is quite funny because it shows how human these characters are and the frustrations that they're dealing with so yes I should point out it's evenly might think it's a heavy movie she's this and he's that you're constantly changing your opinion in fact you're kind of volleying Your Ping Pong in your own mind saying well I could see why she got married to him either so that's first of all nice to see along with Morris Average actors like Sarah Paulson Eddy Izard but side Chin Michelle Wong so James Hong as well good to see a diverse voice cast with abominable point Joe mentioned the humor because it is actually quite funny the other time I want to review before we get to Rebecca Keegan or special guest is abominable there's not too much to say except it's thankfully not an abomination and grudges and wounds that have been nursed finally just you know come to the surface it's not like picking off a scab just rip the band aid hold there's a blood gushing that thing in very sweet and ultimately like I said it's a story of seen before but it's well done is always strong intimation from the lights at dreamworks and some of the visuals Piccoli the and it is latest kids movie right now in theaters doing well at the box office unsurprisingly it's a story about a Yeti could snowman this is the way to go eighty-three percent currently on rotten it's all these academy movies with the Oscar with a capital o and actually is really funny and entertaining if you've seen the squid and the whale which is a really good Noah Baumbach which I liked a lot with Jeff Daniels watch him go but that's kind of unfair what she's saying there because you know she knew the deal she knew the guy was a workaholic theater director etcetera she can't be expected to everything she's going to Rome Karaka machines I think in this instance he really does a good job of of making a very universal story while still kind of fulfilling that independent spirit which you can tell is a part of his youth Oh so good all and honestly I it's a familiar story it's about acceptance as you can imagine the sturdy yet it's about somebody who is an outsider at trying to fit in but I thought it was charming you do think as it's going to be one of these talkie dramas that I could just watch on Netflix in three different settings and eventually finds its footing so I'm gonNA give it three three and a half maple leafs boss still stating that I think it's Daniel Plain view but Dano now going to be the ridler in the Batman reboot for Matt Reeves other things you've done of course escape it data Morris remain of course he's no match for Laura dern and she's just running circles around with the kind of stuff that she has in terms of trying to build the case that you know her client scrawled James's should get full custody I'll see anything that he's in I really like him as an actor he really good and most people forget too that he played Aj's friend in season six of the Sopranos as well I'll give you three ripple leaves as well as we now dubbed tilt towards some entertainment news got a few things to focus on one of witches Robertson Afterlife is beautiful which is a wonderful film and then he goes up makes Pinocchio which is giant turn nobody ever wanted to see Roberto putting the again so hopefully meccas will not early talks to direct Disney's Live Action Pinocchio whites putting the script would be Chris Weitz director Paul King originally going to direct it but now he's left looking forward to seeing the lighthouse which is the new Robert Pattinson Willem dafoe movie and apparently it's excellent so maybe he'll continue what should be a good streak for him. What do you make of this Joe Dano as the ridler dance in the wake of Chinese regulators pulling the film from the schedule a week before its release in the country Tober twenty fifth did not like the way that Lee is shown the film and put on hold Johnson is GonNa be the Cape Crusader he is taking over the role from Ben Affleck who started the Dark Knight in to DC Films Zoe Kravitz has been cast as Selina Kyle Aka cat woman does and it's about a teenager Retu- friends who are trying to the discovery Yeti on the roof of her building and then try to find the other ones as well so a couple of things I liked Lisa filmmakers may once upon a time in Hollywood due to its depiction of Bruce Lee he has no intention of re cutting it from the country according to the report turned Tino is taking a take it or leave it theater director in theatre complex or with the kid while he's in school ten months of the year etc and so at first maybe a little bit naive but they're hoping to figure it out themselves but then I have the same pitfall when it comes to Pinocchio also news here involving Paul Dano a really good actor loved him in love and mercy actually played them Brian now you got Dano as the riddler but he's a good young actor so I definitely think he's got the acting chops and Patterson is at least with a couple of India which have not been seen by a lot of people showing his chops and would is terrible bowl cut so just because of that rule I'll see him in anything going through this process they do have in the footnotes the fact that Paul Danna was in the show and criminal diligent bars point but if the spoiler alert if nobody's seen the movie Bruce Lee his character is only in the movie for one scene so it just seems like they could have just taken out that scene so I wonder I wonder what were you surprised Tarantino's drawn a line in the sand over something like this to your point yeah yeah back on the news that's right it's a Microsoft was back to the future day I believe yesterday we're taping this on Tuesday being released in a Wednesdays I believe on Monday was back to the future days so news involving meccas strong case for denouncing Tarantino and his depiction of Bruce Lee in the fact that it was just cartoonish unfair so I'm not surprised you're joe that turned Tino is not backing futures so stay tuned with that we go to our special guest and and I love Gwen Tarantino he's I love movies I think he's a great director but it's an irresponsible way to show Bruce Lee it's in fact it's fitting stereotypes of Asian men being for some reason says America's has been the project for a while he's working in his current picture of the witches for Warner Brothers did not want to commit but at one point Tom Hanks is actually circling the the filmmaker he can make the move with whatever interpretation he wants and if you've seen the film so the ending is open to interpretation is not following history verbatim but also get the right answer juniors Fred's what are the story here involving Quentin Tarantino he is not backing down stand up with China despite China delaying and speaking to variety one exhibitor source said as long as Quentin can make some cuts l. be released as planned but now it's clear that won't happen so interesting criminal the world today which is always to phones and texting all the rest of it twitter DM's Rebecca thank you switch the time really appreciate it I glad to be here any any opportunity to talk about Martin Scorsese thought you nailed it with your review but let's talk about the fact he's got a gripe here against marvel movies his initial comments he said that the films made by Marvel Studios Were not cinema both Scorsese and Coppola and the other folks who've spoken out including Ken Loach Fernando Morales these are people directors being asked about this issue since of course a hold set when Barton's grow says he's not cinema he's right because we expect to learn something from cinema we expect to gain something some enlightenment's knowledge of Inspiration Mall or not as equipped physically or and he goes that's not Bruce Lee Bruce Lee's you watch the movie and you think he's cartoons he's this clown who thinks he's top than Brad Pitt's Guy Whoa I first of all I love the idea of Coppola as one of anyone's boys but yeah it's interesting I feel like interest rates London Film Festival Super Movies are invading cinema which increasing resemble a theme park and then one of his boys Francis Ford Coppola who's now eighty years it's colorful language which used but let's talk first about Mardi 'cause I know you watch the Irishman I loved you review of it which I literally turn my phone on after I'd seen it on that Friday the New York Film Festival and also written books and young Frankenstein James Cameron which by the way led to a very funny twitter exchanger tell ask you about what you sent out recently an interview did with Cameron and well are the only thing that a certain generation believes are worth go into the movie for so it's not so much that they particularly hate and looper Jonah Hill no longer in contention for an unspecified role in the film apparently came down to money that was one of the stories that we wanted a little bit more than willing to pay Robert go in talking about the ostrich we're doing preview shows for the academy and Oscar Dot Com so we go from beautiful lot there in Hollywood to now joining these breed of movies although in in case it seems like he's just really hates the movies it's it's the idea that they've kind of got oppressive level of influence in Hollywood a and B. At podcast or wherever I'm down yeah exactly you can follow Rebecca by the way on twitter at that Rebecca Shoes reporter senior film editor as these comments there are all kinds of responding to the idea that marvel movies or comic book movies or or the sort of action movies I mean just the sequence as well as snowing stuff is quite a laboratory it will put everything together so Joe Colton director Goodwin here for young kids out there and for parents to you the Washer get us news in forward great article Mohammad reporter criticizing Tarantino for his depiction of Bruce Lee and the fact that cooled Baras friends with him and said listen this is not an accurate portrait of my friend totally words amount the white guys nails the foreigner real-life Bruce Lee was charming was funny was personable like he he really should read the article if you haven't read it criminals about really eventually pass but tobacco product to try to find his own Japan to- let's just hope it's better than the Roberto Benigni movie we've been any was so talented and was given so much they are not leaving room for any other type of movie to attract audiences to movie theaters? I think you've nailed it I think this is all if Marty had said this which I completely agree I don't know that anyone gets anything out of seeing the same movie over over again Martin was kind when he said it's not cinema he didn't save despicable which I just say it is your thoughts an event at the academy puts on that many Oscar contenders come out to and Martin Scorsese will be there so we'll Todd Phillips the director of the joker a two million and hopefully Barry Jenkins make a moonlight that'll win best picture or it's one hundred million dollars and it's a it's a superhero movie and it's going to have a built in budget overseas and it better do well in eighty comic book movie that was in his mind like Martin Scorsese movie so it's it's kind of interesting how there's a there's a lot that fit into the rock comic book movie it's probably a lot richer and more complex than Scorsese has taken in I'm willing to bet he's watched one or two they weren't for him in Wilson Beach boys movie Jimmy's terrific the shrink the the villain in that but yet dan is really good and of course it's great and there will be blood of what he does get just overwhelmed by Daniel day-lewis is to have a studios who had invest in breaking the waves and sling blade and Fargo and the great independent movies the nineties and we don't have those anymore as you and I both know you get movies made it doesn't make any sense to make the movie and always independent type filmmakers are going towards TV or streaming or other things like that I think it said that maybe people wouldn't have been upset maybe they still would be in a pleasure to talk to Rebecca Keegan here on snowfall she and I hooked up a couple of years silly people who predicted when iron man to came out that this May this genre of movie may have seen its day iron man was but once you say it's not cinema well then even someone like myself who is not in a super movies why it completely would share the opinion more of and by the way perspective people know Ken are who in many ways made the joker because he wanted to make taxi driver and there is no kind of economy in Hollywood for it so would ironman to not so much so much for comic book movies so hot to me it seems like they're they're rain will be much longer and much more what's your personal taste by the way when it comes super removed because I think they're oversaturated are you at that point you still think there's value oh for sure yeah I am I am one of the me laugh they're they're they're just are kind of everywhere and they're also they also tend to be really long which I don't live I mean impactful than I predicted and then is to my personal taste I also feel just kind of like I've had enough of them even when they're good even when they made they can statement in today's world people get very offended I'm very upset yeah and I you know it's interesting this weekend is the governor's awards here in Hollywood which is Fernando Morales is case I heard he he watched spiderman movie he tried to watch another one on a plane and he gave up about half an hour in which is a lot of people's experience but certain movies but the marriage story is a melancholy movie that details the trauma of divorce but also offers a ray of hope life goes on China's rules and you know what this is the guy we love who's beloved we don't like the fact that he even knew but of a clown yeah and I wonder what you know I I understand his artistic expression back sequences that I sometimes find myself checking out during yeah I knew I was in trouble when the Black Panther which is rave reviews huge box I didn't care for that Until you said it I was like Oh yeah you're right that movie that I loved like Panther but there's a story circling apparently Coppola told Kugler he does like the whole breadth of Comic Book Marinas Did they see Guardians of the galaxy did they see store to did they see you know the dark knight who knows Rebecca P listen the top twelve grossing movies are all super movies it's not my thing and I worry that Hollywood is paying too much for premium these kind of movies Oh but cinema so this is an authority on the subject but we know that there are exceptions Logan's a great movie spiderman versus a great mood there's a few in there but I think whenever you say yeah maybe like me he was remembering it as a travelogue of a fictional African country not a superhero double the Paul this cannot be coach this is a great director when that shakes the barley morale is at city of God these are really smart guys and Martin Scorsese's you and I both know we'll forget more about movies in the rest of us will ever Ackley so I'm yeah I'm I'm curious but you know we'll see what happens in the extended cut that there's a better representation when that drops on net flicks absently theater golden this is tedious like I watch somebody else do I clearly was in trouble because everybody else's raving about that movie specifically I guess agree our not making the kind of movies that I think are very essential cinema but I respect them and hey if you like them find the not my coming I think he's okay right if you just listen I missed Tehran even the visuals and it the story it was it felt so different and so fresh to me that was a case of a comic book movie that I actually forgot what the comic book movie because it's a bunch of backlash from Sweden Kevin Smith and James Gunn I'm thinking at this Rebecca he's in a back down or your feelings just not my kind of movies but no then he panther this is before these comments are made so I don't know if that was Francis being generous or he forgot that black panthers or he's not counting it as a superhero movie who knows but apparently did like ah for saving the straight along movies himself You and I both sat through the Irishman it is long long long but these comic would keep getting longer and longer with these third act there's so much hype and so I'm seeing the New York Film Festival and I'm terrified because Joey producers says stay off twitter I'm seeing it at the three. PM categorize a superhero way. This is part too good to be that yeah so the Irishman I'm so excited she'd obviously like anybody who loves movies and to get to this cast together and and I feel like we wouldn't have missed anything and one thing that struck me and I'm curious if you not to is that Deniro still moves with the physicality of an older man lash back scenes if they had been told with a younger actor rather than with Scorsese a rather than with you know Deniro being made younger using Zeros in one moves his body that way and so even though his face has you understood lines and spots removed you see his body moving and you know that that's the man I guess with his legacy of of violence in Westerns right and in many ways I think Scorsese is grappling with his legacy you know I it is long I found the first hour that I was conscious of how slowly it was moving and then I kind of sunk into it the interesting thing about the CGI is I'm not sure it was totally necessary you know when I when I think of the I guess what probably about forty years old through to very very late in his life the last hour of the movie which I found the most brilliant because it's it's Algi was the word that came to my mind and mournful but also as you pointed out it's almost like a statement on his body of work it's like and it felt to me like this is this is an older man movie this is Scorsese reflecting on legacy and what a legacy it is of violence in I'll say it in my movies I mean the the De Niro character which the Irishman tracks you know for impactful is is really him grappling with what he's done in who he is in very subtle ways performance wise and I think people are still learning when it works and how it works if interesting to contrast slightly different technology that's used in Gemini Man to the Age Will God Marty's lots is mind but then they were all unanimously praiseworthy and I Thought Yours Nailed it yours I popped up right away and it said this is Scorsese's unforgiven and I said God that's that started at ten am La time on In the screening room it net flicks so there were probably thirty of us they're seeing it so that would have been seventy not in his forties or whatever age she's playing completely agree was one of my criticisms of the movie the scene where he specific I don't give it to people but the shopkeeper when he's kicked Smith I haven't actually seen that whole movie so I can't comment on the movie Per Se but the the effect of the Ageing Will Smith is is quite remarkable partly Alexa thought Pacino nailed all those aspects which I knew he would but I also thought he he'd nail the tenderness of the relationship and the fact that you know him in Deniro the movie was over went through my phone on I saw okay there've been a critic screening at ninety which I believe you were a part of his at correct I wasn't yeah we'll screen so much about the Irishman is if you expand upon why you thought of that movie in relation to this one we have well unforgiven with kind of Clint Eastwood grappling. Oh it's fantastic and this and it's and it's Pacino doing some of the things that people criticize him for completely works for this character if it's lovely to see him and Deniro together and I know he doesn't like the movie the movie so also organized crime out of deference to him but he and Deniro and Pacino imperative combined to give so much to organize crime film him the way his arms are like he clearly looks like he's like a seventy year old guy would yup yup yup and that's something that you know this technology is new but yeah the the the performance that struck me was very contained performance from Joe Patchy who we I think of as being this a cracker and he's always kind of the Chew Valley Yapping at the big dogs in this movie he's The dawn he's the boss and and as is often k the what's in over actor and chewing the scenery but I thought it was the perfect melding of actor in persona with the actual guy because if you know anything about Jimmy Hoffa he was blustery and bellowing Napoleon as the most powerful guy in the room is the most calm and that's how she plays it and it's beautifully done yeah it's it's a wonderful performance and I think it's going to be how Noah Baumbach made such a romantic movie about a marriage falling apart but he did it's it's really romantic it's really funny and smart this is a fitting CODA to that this is a statement on it maybe it is an apology in some ways and for you to say it's like his unforgiven I thought was such a perfect statement and and feels true Adam driver is extraordinary in the movies with Joe Hansen is excellent of eight PM which I tried to get tickets for but of course that's where like Steven Spielberg's it'd be like that that was immediately gone within two minutes industry people how could people have already seen it and then for Jason Lee into this movie which considering the heavy subject matter is a lot funnier than people might realize what did you think of marriage story yeah I love marriage and I have no idea winning with critics and and Probably Academy voters as well I think the both really do well the obamas because they have started their production company James Cameron is typically on the list and so I called him to ask this these questions that we ask everybody performance who's a lot more thoughtful measure than you'd expect in a Martin Scorsese movie yeah I mean I was just struck by this is not a Pepsi I've ever seen before I agree with you that Pacini and there's this incredible supporting cast Laura dern who plays this divorced attorney of of Scarlett Johansson is terrific Alan alda very afflicts movies kind of revealing powerhouse that company has become in just a few years to have two different movies that are completely is and I'm sure that the first thoughts that you've had and people have said to you as soon as you saw the two questions I keep getting asked is is it too long and what do you think of the CGI so what are your answers to those two analyst and he is a remarkably blunt guy which is something that I love about him as an interview subject some of the questions that I asked him he just he was not having thanks character in Hoffa's character and so it's working on multiple levels you see two guys who seem quite fond of each other not only in real life but also the great actress of American cinema and I say all that different kind of attorney for drivers character is great I mean I do think this movie is just GonNa Kinda Roll through award season. Interestingly the movies we're talking about are both non and the way he started it in the way the conversation went if you can tell us about that but we did I every year at the Hollywood reporter we do a list of the one hundred most powerful people in Hollywood and and you know it's somewhat who you'd expect Bob Idir of Disney is a first person on the list on that you're we had some some new folks original movie for two hundred and fifty million dollars he's not sort of salivating over spiderman or something so he said I don't I don't want any intellectual property I I don't I don't need for Cameron he said building a sub which is very Jim Cameron but in my favorite one was when I one of the questions is what would you do if read that one of the questions was what was your last big splurge you know other people are talking about a vacation or a particular item of clothing just to go along with Pasha the whole cast I think the film Thelma school maker We all know is brilliant as the editor I think it's GonNa be a film that will do very well come academy award time I'll vote marriage I mean I do agree with you it took a little while to find its footing took a little wild they're just the CGI but I've thought once Pacino showed up I mean he was tremendous and I know he gets a lot of heat for being as Ori I also saw the New York Film Festival and that's getting a lot of buzz for the performances of driver in Johan's but also Noah Baumbach who really put a lot of his own autobiography in his divorce hip as he does to Bob Eiger as he does pesky reporter from the Hollywood reporter asking him niece silly questions yeah it's great I also loved is you found Bob Eiger cell phone who would you call and he was so irritated slash amused by that question I can get anybody on the phone I want I don't need ball bikers it like one was you know if you have any piece of intellectual property in the world what would you have well James Cameras one of the last guys in Hollywood who can make I also want to ask you because twitter always great at that Rebecca about James Cameron you've written a book about James Cameron and you send a tweet recently about doing an interview with you know most people didn't know anything about it until August the movie came out in October pretty remarkable that was because of the sort of extraordinary lengths fancy trust me it is not fancy I mean he's just a guy who came from Virginia to La and whose success seems to almost startle him and it it's fun to see how that manifests itself they'll come unto me the lengths they went to keep the movie secret it's been went to to keep it all under wraps including secretly on a private jet flying Bryan Cranston out from his play in New York to that Albuquerque you know shooting him undercover and whisking him back like a through military like because it's so for someone who has created something as remarkable as the kind of breaking bad universe is very modest office park

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Spoiler Specials: Marriage Story

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Story is Samuel Adams senior editor at slate and culture writer film critic extraordinary him. Hello so I'm feeling both very buzzed to talk about this movie and also a little bit panicked because we both saw it quite a while ago. I have very strong feelings and things to say about this movie but I may be wondering through the thicket as far as the plot. Yeah I'm a bit of a plot sieve which makes it makes me an odd person for these spoiler specials but I I enjoy them and you'll see him to listen so thanks. I mean this is not a movie. That's really about plot anyway so it is a movie. That's all about current feeling about character really about two extraordinary performances. I would say which we'll get to So maybe we will approach it more in terms of themes and characters. There's then going through the story bit by bit since we all know from essentially the trailer which would just to hear a bit of that. This is a story about a couple in the midst of a messy divorce. What I love about Nicole? She use a mother who plays really place. What I love about Charlie? He loves being a DAD. He loves all the things. We're supposed to hate like waking up. She knows when push me he never lets other people keep him from wanting to start easy for includes a cab. He's incredibly need. She's breeze. BURLINGTON is very competitive. All tell tally all the what's happening. And then I just get nervous. Can you unserved. We rely take it back the divorce with him anymore. What most people in my business transactions I like to think of it was people all good remind me of myself scalpels? My second marriage set me straight. They don't actually use Paul McCartney's maybe I'm amazed anywhere wearing this movie. Do they know no. That's UPTEMPO trailer music. Not Sort of like depressive pensive music. Which is what you actually here in this movie? You've got like Randy Newman score. And you got a couple of songs from Stephen Sondheim's company which I'm sure we'll talk about But no like big swing for the fences like you know Anthony Rock love songs you put. Maybe I'm amazed in a trailer for a movie about people falling out of love. I think it's just kind of maybe fool people into thinking a little less sad the national and yet they must have paid a lot for those rights. But what are you GonNa do it's net flicks So I actually want to talk later about the fact. This is a Netflix released. But first let's just set up a little. What the story is so the marriage that we find in disillusion as the movie begins between Charlie and Nicole played by Adam driver and Scarlett Johansson and Maybe we should just take the way we first meet them. which is really the first thing you here in the trailer and the happiest most romantic part of the movie? In other words you start high and immediately begin the downhill. Slide with them right. I mean the way the movie starts. Is You know really set up. which is you here? You know the very lovely Kind of monologues. By aggravates character Charlie scarlet. Your Hanson's character Nicole. Charlie Resistant Laissez called like what I love about. Nicole Nicole reach this little essay called about Charlie And it's so great and this is all kind of appreciating the wonderful things things that they feel about each other and even if you know this is a movie about divorce you think well you know yet. But they're still very much in touch with love. And then you also see. We should say at the same time really the only flashbacks you get in the movie of marriage during those opening monologue and then it cuts to the two of them. Sitting in a couples counselor's office. It becomes clear that they've already decided to divorce. They're just trying to work their way through amicably. I'm and it turns out that hearing them read. These things aloud was basically kind of the only departure from reality in the movie as well. The first thing we see in this is a Nicole scarlet. Johnson's character refusing to read her essay out loud as the counselors urging there too. Because she doesn't like what she wrote. Charlie Charlie says well you know I like what I wrote i WanNa read it. Then the council says well No. It doesn't work unless you both do it. So then they both decide to not do it. And Nicole gets mad and storms out so I never thought of that. So what you're really. Hearing is the composition process in their head of writing the note or something like that not a real moment when they actually ever read it right. I mean it seems to be a very sort of like straightforward presentation movie and a lot of ways and if you watch it I've seen it twice and I've been talking to people about it for a couple months now since I first saw to Toronto in September. It's very subtly layered in ways that you don't even necessarily notice the first or maybe even the second time through. I realized that I didn't do my usual. Go round sounds is. There's only two of us. We can't quite go around but but I just wanted to gather the facts. I you loved this movie. Yeah I really do movie a lot. The first time I saw it it really it does kind of sneak up on you soak into you in ways and I found. I'm probably talk about this too. But it's something that kind of changes for me the second time you see it as well as certainly as far as my sympathies feelings about kind of who side you know the movie is on. I had some reservations the first time and then the second time kind of flip those around. Oh I want to hear about how that shifted. I still only seen at one time but it is really stuck with me. I'm not sure it's going to be on my top ten list. It's something I'm actually struggling with right now because there's so many other great movies and the strengths of this movie. Although there are very strong are conventional strengths. I would say I mean it's not reinventing the form of cinema in any way you know. It's a straightforward sort of comedy. The tragedy love story is beautifully acted. You know it proceeds kind of chronological order through. Psychologically realistic universities are not bad things. Mind you but I'm just not quite sure that I'm I'm willing to put it up on the level of some of the real achievements in cinema. That have happened. It's harder movie to get excited about things like you see something like parasite or poor the lady on fire and you just go on a god cinema and this doesn't give you that same kind of electric feeling it just it just gets into your bones and makes you sad and and thoughtful and maybe offensive sometimes. But they're going to work on to you over over time. I may not even make this. This is the kind of thing I would have trouble putting on a list for just for that reason but at the same time like I. There's very little I can reproach about it. Yeah I will say I think. It's my favorite Noah Baumbach film. But I've never been a huge huge Noah Baumbach Fan. I wonder if you could briefly resume. What what your your feeling about him as a director has been like I would say that this squid and the whale which are is to most autobiographical films probably are my two favorites? And when he's in the mode owed sort of mild social satire and family dysfunction that he's in and a lot of his other movies Margot at the wedding Meyrowitz stories that I admire those movies without really loving them or remembering remembering them right. I mean I think I'm in the same place you I like the ones that are kind of basically autobiographical or semi autobiographical movies about divorce. The ones to me me that basically feel like New York or short stories I am not so fond of yeah I mean swells very directly about his parents divorced almost just a slightly fictionalized autobiography the and with marriage story. I mean we'll never know right. I mean his marriage to Jennifer. Jason Leigh which fell apart about five years ago or so was kept very private but there are a lot of things that it has in common comment with this story. They've split when they had a child much smaller child than the boy in this movie. Who is supposed to be eight seven or eight? I think there was just a baby. And Jennifer Jason Leigh Scarlett Johansson's character is a child of Hollywood also an actress who becomes famous for like doing a topless scene sort of teenage sex comedy. When she's a young actress actress fast times connection? Exactly Adam drivers character is like an experimental theater director in this. It's not a sort of strict transliteration. But you can certainly draw a lot of lines winston. What little we know Noah Baumbach actual live right from this and I think maybe account for what I feel like is greater emotional authenticity than some of his films? I mean there's a lot out of social satire here but it tends to be around the divorce proceedings themselves. The two main characters are not really I would say objects of satire. The movie loves them and loves them. Both in wants us to to give both of their sides hearing no and a lot of what it becomes about these two people who think we eventually decide like are not meant meant to be together at this point but did love each other. Do you love each other. Still in some ways being kind of fed into this kind of like divorce industrial L. A. Complex Both the lawyers and the and the judicial system and surfacing all these kinds of emotions that they kept buried during their marriage which is why it fell apart part but at the same time really being put it off with each other in ways. That don't seem necessarily Like necessary or helpful. Yeah they're both performers but it's like they're being cast in a in a play or a movie that they they don't WanNa be in right there being turned into each other's antagonists when they start the beginning swearing that they're gonNA have this amicable split. So the way there's get so so unimaginable so quickly is in part because Nicole moves to Los Angeles and she does that because she gets a part in a TV show. So there's also this conflict between the two of them which I think is really nicely subtly. It's not underscore it in the movie between the Higher Brow. Art that he's creating a New York and that they created together during the years of their marriage and whatever it is the show that she's going to do which we never learn. I don't think the title of or much about what it's about five fantasy right. Yeah it just reminds me a little bit of the Like the sci-fi if I move that like Marissa's shooting in clouds of Sills Maria it's sort of like a parody of like dumb Hollywood stuff from a director who's never done Hollywood stuff and doesn't seem like very familiar with it which very kind of like denatured and abstract but something about her like kind of being like a mother to an alien baby a year like something like that. Yeah Yeah I mean. The view of Hollywood is a little bit jaundice but also is just so glancing. The movie is really not that interested in the process of being a Hollywood star or having Bene- Hollywood star or that much about her career. And it's something that I might fault this movie with if I thought it through more. It didn't really bother me at the time but I feel like the movie understands hands and cares more about his career than about her as it may care about them both equally as people ernest partners in this dissolving partnership. But we understand more about Charlie's Charlie's art why he wants to stay in New York and make it what the company is like and what his relationships with people in the company including a very charming Wallace Shawn one of his his You know s studio of actors what that's like and we don't really know anything about why she wants to move to La except that her family's they're right right from the beginning get these dueling monologues. It was a movie kind of about an embedded with points of view. It's written and directed by a man. It certainly felt to me like my one complaint. That the first time I felt like it was really kind of slanted in favor of Charlie who has all these various sort of relatable like understandable desires like the New York he wants to stay in Newark. Their kid has been raised in York. Wants to keep their kid in New York and all of a sudden. Here's Nicole saying I'm going to move to L. A.. I'm GonNa take our kids. La I'M GONNA put our kid in school in l. a. and then like just kind kind of steal him away and like making move there too and it isn't really until the end of the movie that starts to get more into the idea that There had always been this sort of understanding between them or discussions between them about well. Maybe we'll try living in L. A.. Because Nicole Scarlett Johansson character is like from there originally. She has family there. She kind of gave up this movie career to go and work with Charlie's Theater Company in New York and it's only kind of having gotten to that point in the movie and then gone back and watched it again then the second I was like oh no actually like Nicole was right like the whole time and I talked to a number of other people like check this in a lot of other people that I've talked to had had the same experience so I don't know if I could say that it's sort of deliberately designed to go one way the first time in another way the second time but I think that that is kind of an available reading of it and speaks to some of that complexity that I was talking about that it turns out to be kind of richer than it seems at first right. I mean you don't really get even a sense of who ended the marriage rights. We don't get a scene of them saying let's break up now. We've I meet them when that's already been said and they've made an appointment with a mediator so it's gotten that far the you imagine that it was her that said let's break right. I mean you do find out that he cheated on her with. I think like the stage manager from there like theater companies. Some sort of the crew person really find out about that after it's over and they're already a part we certainly don't see like the moment that she finds out it doesn't really underline the fact fact that this is all these wonderful scenes of. Oh I love Charley and I love his theatre company. 'cause it's like a family role included and then doesn't really get to the part where it's like. Oh you cheated don me with like a member of our family. WHATEV- deeper betrayal? That would be so a kind of gloss over that a little bit already. Passed the rupture when the movie starts. You know lot of stuff that we kind of have to piece together or figure out through the process as we're kind of moving through. I guess the police over about a year. Or something like that. Because we have to Halloween's within the movie right the horrible Halloween and then the the not so bad halloween. Since you're saying is all a movie about point of view and shifting getting points of view. I'm curious what you make of the long seen that Scarlett Johansson has with Laura Dern who becomes her lawyer in La her divorce lawyer There's this long moment it's I think. Give it as one take at the very least it's a few long connected takes of Scarlett Johansson just telling her story how they broke up what the narrative his the raw narrative that This lawyer Laura dern is going to shape into something that can be argued in court room to try to get custody of Henry their son and I was somewhat unclear throughout that scene on the balance between social satire and insincere drama right. I mean certainly. We're supposed to believe Scarlett Johansson character. She's not misrepresenting or fronting in any way. But there's also uh-huh sort of a satire of this touchy feely talk that the Laura dern character is using to draw the story out and to get more details that she will eventually as we'll see weaponize courtroom against Charlie and I just wondered what you thought that seems balance of you know sort of wanting you to love and care for Scarlett Johansson and care about hearing her truth but also be aware of the manipulation. That's that's turning that truth into something else. Even she tells it right. I mean Laura. Laura dern is playing could've high-powered very slick personable bowl. Hollywood divorce attorney who is apparently based on a real divorce attorney who I think represented Jennifer Jason Leigh in divorce from Noah Baumbach and so she's a bit bit of a shark but she also does this thing where she just takes Nicole into office has sit down and tell me about this and there. Is this big long take. Where are you know Scarlett? Johansson is kind of moving around the office which I think she gets like. T pointed also delivering this monologue. And that's part of the satires that she presents her with this very elaborate set. Ed Pastries look like something that you'd be served in kind of like an English tea room or something right. I mean it's a place it's it's it's a place with all the trials but at that way. Yes but this very kind of meaningful meaningful stuff comes out where she says you know. We always talked about moving to La and we kind of never we never sort of set a date you know but it was just something we always talked about but never did and and that you get a real sense of that has kind of became her position in the marriage that she was the one who had these desires that were discussed and acknowledged but never are acted upon. And Charlie just win those battles through inertia. He wouldn't say no he would just say yes. I think she says I just felt like getting smaller in marriage. And you and you realize rather than the therapist the male therapist at the beginning of the movie just being like. Tell me what you love about your husband for Laura Dern to Kinda give her. This more open ended prompt spills for this whole thing. And you start to really see a that. They're not getting back together for sure and be that this is someone who has really a kind of starved off part of herself when this marriage and is really only just now reconnecting with it and the way Johansen accident. That scene which is really admirable double is that it's almost like she's discovering the truth herself as she tells it right that some of those things she's never really maybe admitted even to herself how powerless passive. She felt in their relationship. But I mean they're I think there hopefully not too many left but I mean there are still people who kind of underestimate Scarlett Johansson as an actress and I think this is a really good movie too and that's a great scene in particular to turn them around but one thing. I thought in that scene in many scenes in this movie is that she doesn't get that many roles where she gets to play a normal vulnerable human mortal. You know I mean she used to but now she's well I mean she is incredible in her for example but but there she's not a human mortal. She's this kind of other worldly machine voice that's kind of striving to become human Obviously in the avengers universes. She's doesn't have superpowers. She's like an alien and under the skin. She's like the superhuman and Lucy kind of cyborg. Whatever in Ghost in the show yes? She's played a lot of kind of superhuman or yeah and so one thing. I realized a lot in this movie. Especially when she's walking around with Adam driver and Laura dern who are both very tall is that she's tiny right. I mean she's very small person and because she always plays someone with so much power or somebody from alien dimension or whatever you kind of think of Scarlett Johansson Hinson. Is this FEM BOT or something like that and it was. It was really great to see her playing normal human mortal extremely well. She's got short shaggy the hair and this the very first thing we see in the movie and I sort of forgot this but is this almost sort of silent film like iris out on her face in what we will see quite a bit later as this theater production of. I think it's Electra. which is the last thing that she in? Charlie you're going to end up doing off Broadway and that it it entrance I to Broadway. But she doesn't go with it because she goes to Elliott or shooter pilot. Yeah but we see her in this sort of classic like black mock Turtleneck and short haired. She just seems very fragile in an expository that she is often not in Manatt called upon to be in movies. Saying I'm going to break into our conversation. For just a moment. For a word from our sponsor this week electrify electrify America. Electric cars may seem a little different but new technology always seems weird at first even podcasting weird when they first came out in the early two thousands they were called audio blogs. 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All right back to the show all right. Since we've covered Laura dern and Scarlett Johansson's relationship as lawyer Royer and client What about Charlie and his two lawyers you WANNA take us through his journey through a divorce law I charlie? He's going to do without a lawyer because they're just friends and they're going to do this equally and then he finds out that Nicole has up up in this lawyer and so he needs to right away. Laura dern calls and says we'll hey remember that complaint that we sent you that you kind of ignored in order because again this is like what he does thirty days to respond to it and it's been like twenty seven or something and if you don't we're just GonNa take everything that we asked for in that need to come to La and get a lawyer like yesterday. So he goes to la sort of frantically running around the first person he stops to see Israel Iota. Is this very aggressive kind of Sharkey doggy. Dogg doc divorce lawyer kind of the Alpha male equivalent of Laura dern character and he basically says look we're just GonNa just GonNa come back at them as hard as they came at us. You're not GonNa like me. He when this is all over. But we're going to win. Adam driver says like like I don't WanNa do that. So then he goes and after used to go all over town to find a lawyer because it turns out I guess this might be a specific. La California thing but Nicole is going around consulted with like a dozen lawyers around around town which then poisons the well. He can't use them because she's already discussed that part of divorce law either and it seems like there must be some real chicanery going on in not department. I also wonder if there's some sort of sub tweet of JJ L. There Jennifer. Jason Leigh. I can't help it. I know that I should be above. Bringing his own story into this. But that thing of spoiling the field divorce lawyers is really cold. No Noah Baumbach. I mean you've been through it and you probably also know quite a lot of of well-heeled you you know people with a lot of resources who've been through their own sort of high-powered divorces and have you know the money in the time to spend a week going around visiting divorce lawyers that their spouse can't get to them The people who were kind of put off by Noah Baumbach movies just being about like privileged white people. This is not a movie for you. I don't think I mean absolutely with these people aren't the characters are not as successful as is no bombardier and Jennifer. Jason Leigh in their Experimental Theater Director and famous mostly theater actors at this point. I mean they're not you and I the circumstances are somewhat. What is the kind of emotional? Beats what they're going through. Think it'll be very either familiar from experience or kind of from an intrusive thoughts about what might happen if your marriage winter shit. Oh Man Yeah. It's Buji movie. There's no way around it but I will say that. The privileged gets checked in small ways by that social social satire was talking about. It happens a little bit more in relation to the law scenes than just in the depiction of their private lives for example that moment when they're having I think it's their first court hearing thing and the judge tries to hurry them along saying there's some people with fewer resources who are waiting to be heard behind you and you see this Bank of people who are clearly not you know Professional will TV stars and theater directors who are just regular people waiting to hear their divorce court right absolutely and Charlie ends up with Beato a somewhat cheaper if not not exactly bargain-basement but he ends up with this kind of you know. Shuffling Nice Guy of a recently converted to divorce lawyer played by Alan alda who's immensely slee lovable in this role but you also have the senses that he charlie. She's GonNa get screwed as long as he relies on him so he tries to play nice and that does not work workout to his advantage. So to standpoint this movie you know it's it's I think. Two hours and fifteen minutes long like there's a lot packed into but it also leaves a lot out and one of the things that it does is for example Apple. There's there's clearly moment when Charlie goes with Alan alda and the dumps it goes back to Ray Liotta and you don't see that it's just the next shows up in court when the lawyer there's really. I wonder if that was the scene that it was written in the nut. Put in or films and then cut because it does seem odd that you don't see. Eleanor pretty major character. While he's in the movie right and and then he disappears very quickly. Maybe he just couldn't stand to film The heartbreak of someone rejecting Alan Alda but sure enough. The next time you see him he has pitted His his sharp lawyer against her shark. Lawyer yes and that's when you really get a sense of kind of the ugliness involved because there's a moment when Charlie's coming out to visit Nicole. They're putting their together. Gather sort of having a nice moment of sharing bedtime. And she's saying Oh. I think I had a glass of wine too much. Maybe you should do bedtime or whatever. I feel a little lightheaded or something. And then the next time there in court and their lawyers are going back and forth and Ray Liotta say. Wow you know Nicole. Like getting drunk around their kid and expressed expressed concern to her husband that she might be like injure their child because of her and creation. And it's you know this is just like a sort of human moment between them and that has there's just been weaponized. Yeah and that's another moment where you never saw. Charlie tell his lawyer that right you have to just imagine the conversations the many conversations they had that were woven into that narrative which the lawyers consciously talk about as their narrative and their story and their way of and make up your mind as to whether that was just like kind of an idol thing that he he told him or whether really what it was like I need like what can I use. Charlie knowingly says like hey she said this thing about drinking too much and there's some equivalents on the other side the two right. You've seen it more recently than I. I think there's also some information that Charlie offers more or less innocently that gets weaponized against him. Well right and all this stuff about He's putting this real bind because he keeps saying New York family And then he has this issue where if he doesn't get a place in L. A. to stay then he's he's kind of abandoning his child and a custody but if he lets go of his place in New York then he's admitting that he's moved to La La and then he'll never get to take us get back to New York and a theater director. He can't afford to like have apartments in to the most expensive cities in the country simultaneously Hamilton Asleep. But he's kind of over a barrel he can't not have one or the other. It's sort of hard to imagine how he is managing his life. The part of me. That's really identified with overbooked. DOC disorganized people really sympathize with that part of the movie where he's racing around l a with a play apparently being put on in his absence as the director in New York. And I don't know who's renting his apartment or what's going on but That whole section where he rents that depressing Beige apartment which by the way is a triumph of location scouting or set building. Whichever it is that just so perfectly communicates the generic of an apartment that you get when you were miserable and you don't WanNa live there But that whole period of the movie gives you the sense of you know this invisible life that you don't see the New York Life just spinning out of control right and one of the recurring elements in this movie. Which is the thing that I have ruled is a little bit especially because it feels does very kind of woody Allen e there's a lot of la versus New York talking this always weighted towards New York But there is a running gag. Where every time him someone in? La Talks about how they're the only thing they say is the space. There's you know just so much space so charlie moved into this apartment and yeah there is a lot of space but it's completely like Beige and featureless. There's going to be this sort of social worker. Come visit this place to see if he's providing like a decent environment for his kid and he ends up like skyping with the set designer liner from his theater. Company to kind of outfit this place in a way that makes it look hospitable and Social worker approved. I guess I think to me. That's one of the Bravura era sequences in the movie when the social worker comes to observe his parenting in that in that depressing Beige apartment. Because it's so understated. I mean she could be so much more of a villain and then she is or she could be some sort of comically over the top You Know Grim Guardian type. But she's just this very expressionless bureaucrat. Who communicates absolutely absolutely nothing during her evening with him? Which Adam driver plays the comedy in this so well very dark comedy in it just it drives him into this kind of self destructive frenzy of doing making himself self look worse and worse as a parent more? He tries to make himself look good right and that character of the social worker is kind of this is almost like the Saturday night live characters really sort of Mousy mousy glum like lower register voice. Like she's just like you know moving through rubber cement at every step frenzy. Is that much more pronounced. Because it's like being played off her. Yeah the end of that scene where he gashes his own arm for essentially no reason trying to demonstrate to her that he is a great parent I mean and it was just that was that was kind of Bomba comedy at its best. You know the way that he can take people's own worst impulses and kind of self sabotaging behaviors and turn them into comedy right. And that's one of the a bit too that that watching it again. You sort of see subtle references to it. Everyone so he has this thing that he calls like a knife trick where he carries base of the sort of miniature box cutter on a keychain. A friend of mine was like if he's flying back and forth from New York like every week and presumably not checking a bag. How is he getting a miniature box cutter with them but he does this thing where he pretends to slit his wrist? And then you know like retracts the blade at the last minute. And he's like Oh you know in his son says hey the social worker the nitric. He's like no. That's not a at dinnertime. In fact it's not at any time thing but he pushes so he tries to show it to her and he fails to retract the blade and like actually just almost they cut his arm erm open. Everything's fine he's gushing blood everywhere to but if you go if you go back and watch like the phone conversation where Laura dern earn calls him up and it's like you're at a time like you need to hire a lawyer because in in three days you're going to thirty days is up and we're just gonNA take every want. He's in the stairwell at his theater company and see him like playing with a knife in that. Seems like a little tick at that point but once you know where that's GonNa payoff like adds more residents so that's the more reason to see it again. Yeah Yeah I love the way that every detail does get picked up again. There's almost a doubling structure to it. It contains two Halloween's right to different Halloween celebrations. A lot of things that happen in this movie happened twice so you know once horrible once bearable or vice versa I mean one example of that might be the huge fight the giant operatic fight that they have in the in the depressing Beige apartment which is almost like the the the equal and opposite reaction to that opening loving montage of seeing their happy life together because once again as with with the mediator you see them going into a situation with all the best intentions her dropping by his house for them to have this light conversation about. You know that you need to sign these papers. What's the thing that she's trying to make happen when she comes to his apartment? That's right yeah and it just so quickly but very believably devolves into this this operatic screaming fight and Adam driver's performance in that. CNN is particularly. He takes it so much farther than I mean yes he gets mad and like punches the hole in a wall. And we've all sort of seeing that kind of male anger like expressed on film and they're very careful to sort of block it so he is like turning away at away from Scarlett Johansson punching the wall. So there's no physical threat to her there and but then he just starts screaming at her and he's saying you know like sometimes I just wish that you would get an illness and die. I and his face just like goes read his word just coming out of him in a way that just you know he's just totally out of control and then he just ends up on his knees sobbing And she wrote and he said this very like the whole string of like really horrible things to her but she just kind of touches his shoulder to comfort him him and it's you know people less inclined might be read. That's in a different way but for me I mean the way plays. Is You know these are to be balloon. Luneau each other really well and she knows a that. He doesn't mean that but B. also how upset at his wit's end he would have to be talk to her like that and she is I kind of giving and sympathetic enough person to to see his pain rather than her You know offense or or hurt you know into to reach out to him that and it's a really Touching and profound moment and kind of when this movies the best. Yeah just really seen. Were both of them are at their best as actors precisely because like you say they're able to modulate these extreme emotions with also still recognizing each other and each other's his past and I think that's also the scene where she uses this endearment and she calls him honey in the middle. Maybe not the middle but somewhere near the beginning of the ramping up of their fight you know and that's just another kind if trace. I don't even know if we've heard her call him that earlier in the movie. But it's one of those rare glimpses you get into this earlier time when they were happy and it makes it all the more painful how they're falling apart right. I I think one of the questions. The movie is sort of asking or tension. A lot of the scenes is how much of that interaction between them is just kind of muscle memory. Memory you know. Is this actually. Do they actually still love each other's or they just people who are getting used to dealing with each other in a different way and just kind of it's the vestiges of this thing. That is kind of dying off and I think it's a real and imagined if you go through that process like that's a lot of what you are going to be wondering for awhile and finding a new way way to interact with and love and respect each other and at least deal amicably with each other or are you just kind of living off the fumes of what. What was there before until they run out? I mean I think at that point in the movie you might say. It's the ladder but I would say by the end. I mean not to ship Charlie Nicole too hard but I would say that the end that I think that they still have have love for each other when she comes over. Here's him reading with Henry the letter that he finds the letter from the beginning about about his good qualities that she never read aloud. Yeah Yeah Yeah I feel like there's a moment of tenderness there where you can imagine a future for them that would be affectionate yet distant right and one of the things that comes out of this opening monologue is Nicole all says one of the things she loves about Charlie is that he's in both of those. I guess but that you know that she loves it. He's kind of the organized one. She's kind of she's sort of passionate et and messy and he's the one who is better at just like either doing dishes but also just organizing things and kind of the last real beat in you get in the movie. Is She and her new boyfriend. Kind of going off to dinner and her family didn't really talked about yet. Going off to dinner on Halloween. Their sons tired so Charlie says look. I'll take him home and then she bends down to tie his shoelace than that he and his son can walk off into the sunset and just that little moment of care also the sense that you know. He's he's that sort disorganized one now. She is able to kind of step up. And you pull them together and just very little symbolic way is is I think very nice I mean again. I know people who have seen that in medical bike. That's that's pretty clawing or on the nose but I think you've been through enough. WHOA at that that point in in the film to feel he earned a little sap right? I mean if you get that far in the movie and you don't care at all about the two of them being okay with each other then I just feel like you're watching the wrong movie. Words just failed and there's nothing to save it at that point. Yeah I'M GONNA take time out from our conversation one more time for a word from today sponsors. Hey this is Rosemary Rosemary. And I'm the producer here for slate spoiler specials if you ever wanted to start your own podcast. You might think you need all kinds of equipment to set it up but it turns out all UNITA's he does anchor. 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The a little bit and that can be a way of getting into Sondheim in music which I want to talk to you about because I know you're writing about that for slate But her family is this charming and important. I think part of of of the backstory. She's the only one who really gets. Family is a backstory. We don't meet any members of his family or learn about the place that he came from. There's just a mention of alcohol and violence in his background in the sense that he was from Indiana and he moved to New York on his own doesn't speak to his parents and implied there and maybe even possibly stated there I think is that her family has become a kind of surrogate family for him. Right I mean it's kind of a running gag actually like how much her mother played by. Julie Hagerty loves Charlie and that in fact it's even when they're getting divorced. She's kind of back channeling and and talking him just because she like the so fond of seems in some ways more fun than than our daughter right. She calls him Charlie Burge he had a nickname for him. They have a special hugs and secret. Language also merit weaver who plays. Her sister has a small but very charming part as hurt her nervous. Nellie sister Seems to be very attached to Charlie and so when he walks into the house. There's this sense that everything's fine and he's home and that Nicole is then alienated by that very acceptance that her family extends to him so as we mentioned earlier on one of the few things that there is spoil about this movie is the to musical performances near the end there. So unexpected I mean Charlie. Nicole are not musical theater. People their their regular avant-garde straight drama people and we never hear them talk about musicals or about Sondheim and then yet at this moment. That's almost parallel cut. It's not peril. Oh cuts to scenes are almost back to back right. We see both of them separately on separate coasts each perform Assan time song from the same musical company and It's never explained why those songs. Why did they choose them? What's their background with them or anything like that? But I feel like it's such a rich dramatic moment in which again we can read so much backstory but tell me about the two songs and how they appear in the movie what you think. They're doing well the first one we see. I mean these kind of came into the film. According to Noah Baumbach kind of in reverse order but the first one we see he is having a party. Nicole's MOM's house and she and her mom and her sister are performing this trio from company called. You could drive a person crazy at basically basically kind of a breakup song. It's about this female character kind of coming to a parting of the ways with character. Bobby who's kind of the central figure in company. He's perpetually single man all of whose friends are married telling him that he's got to get married while at the same time using him to kind of express all the dissatisfactions in their own marriages and this is kind of breaking up with him. This is the last recorded. The song is Bobby is my hobby and I'm giving it up so it's a playful song of liberation but it also does kind of come into decision to kick bobby to the curb and Sort of read that. The bobby is an analogue for Charlie And that gets underlying very much in the subsequent scene where very next scene or is there something inbetween. It's it's soon after. At least I mean they're very much parallels paralleled very near the end of the movie last twenty fifteen minutes. Yeah it's like the closing of it's Charlie's kind of leaving New York party. He's getting together with his old all his his old theater buddies They go to the Bar Charlie just kind of I mean he must have set it up. Stretch singing like from his seat Being alive which is kind the climactic most emotional memorable song from company. which is about in the case of the show is about bobby lead? You know deciding that he wants to take the chances. And the risks romantic relationship and marriage entails and go through all these great sort give conflicting emotions and really embracing all of them not just good ones but realizing that the bad ones kind of lumped into that he's singing it it at the end of a relationship rather than a prelude to the beginning of one but it's again you know another one of these things done in a single take Adam drivers kind of up back the microphone and back to his seat. You know singing. The song for real turns out. He's actually quite a good. It's vocally demanding song. I mean vallone blown away by his performance of that song. Because not only does it rise completely naturally out of this nonmusical situation And and express you know exactly where his character actor is at in the movie but he actually has vocal chops. He's things really well right. I mean one of things. Noah Baumbach said after the movie premiered in Toronto. Is that Adam driver you know. They're friends Adam Drivers Ben and he was in bombecks movie wobble young yet. I have known each other for for years. They apparently share maybe probably with Greta. Gerwig who used merrily we roll along as a touchstone in her movie lady bird they apparently all SORTA share a fondness for some time so he said that he imagined driver would just sit around and talk about Stephen Sondheim shows for hours and maybe even before he had the idea for marriage story he was just like I wanna a new movie that you sing being alive from company and I mean in a way. The movie is built around that scene from the beginning. And then I think you you can drive a person crazy just came in and kind of opportunistically a neat kind of book into another play. Sort of dual perspectives. To huge emotional emotional moment in the movie it is arguably like borrowing if you know company at all or even just moved by the song at his borrowing a lot of emotions from that but they do fit into play into the film really well as well so it's just going to ask this amplifying chamber for everything that's gone on up to that point And also a perfect contrast with the way her songs performed which is in in company right. I mean it's in in the social setting. It's kind of a cute little performance that she worked up with with her mom and sister it points to how different the world that she's moving into is from his world right. I mean hers. Is this crowded busy world of women and a child in the house us and he is not that he's going to be completely alone he does get partial custody at the end but But he's moving into this world of loneliness and so the the contrast is so starkly pointed up up beautifully by those two songs and I just loved also that there is no back story about. Oh the two of them always loved sondheim would have been easy to throw in some memory of the two of them going to a show or singing the songs together or something like that but you simply have to infer that these two married couples separated by continent and don't know that the other person is choosing song from the musical to perform and what's great great about the way Adam driver does it too is that he's not just singing the song he's doing all the kind of interpreted dialogue that's part of it as well and not just doing the dialogue but but doing it very pronouncedly in the voices of the actors from the original cast recording gave it. If you don't know the album you can tell us what he's doing because he just sort of talking about the side of his mouth and putting on this kind of Nasal Elaine stritch Voisin Song Sung by person who listened to company a a million times in his bedroom and he was a teenager. You can tell that this is just you know a song and album that he knows inside out probably had something to do with him wanted to get into the theater in the the first place and he's performing for his theater company that he's leaving behind and it's just you know brings so much can meaning to that scene. Yeah and it could be so easy when you say it that way. That he's doing the voices from the original cast album which I didn't know it sounds like it could be so precious and over thought and I think it really really takes an actor like Adam driver. There really isn't an actor like Adam driver right now. Maybe there used to be in like Brando's Day or something but it takes somebody with that kind of I don't know that that quality that he has always having an offscreen life that's just as interesting or more interesting than what he's living onscreen. I mean Adam driver always seems like that to me even back to the days of girls Charles and I seen him on. TV that his acting gestures toward this rich. Inner life that you're not necessarily get access to right because he also sorta seems like someone who's mind is always just like a little bit somewhere else. He's very involved in the scene and the character but you also feel he could be sort of doing critic equations or like making a grocery list in the back of his head even as he's like in the middle of the scene he's always a little bit not there and that sort of written into his character as well right. I mean that he is this Theater director who's WHO's great when he's on when he's directing and he's plugged into his theater that's kind of established at the beginning that he's sort of his most true self. When he's with this group of performers and trying to collaborate written create something together but in the real world and his marriage and in his relationship to the law into the you know social worker who comes to his house in all those scenarios he feels awed out of place and doesn't seem to fit in and that is also perfect for just? I'm not sure if it's the person that driver is or the kind of character is he plays but again it's just it's just work right and someone who is kind of were sort of told a little bit mostly left to infer but someone who grew up without a solid kind of home family structure has really we built it for himself in this marriage and his is very kind of good and and competent within that structure. But you take it away and he's kind of flailing again and you see him you know very confidently making dinner you know. He apparently is the one who does most cooking at home and very confidently doing that on in this kind of opening monologue monologue sequences but then when he tried to do it with the social worker in La. He's just he's totally like at odds into like you know almost fatally fatally slitting his own wrists by accident and he's just and he ends up at the end of that scene just lying down on the floor in the kitchen paper towels stuffed into this whole his arm. I love that. He's still trying to front with the kid is just so dark. I was I think the only person in my screening who was rolling floor laughing at slid scene but the moment that the kid comes in to get something and he just sorta covers the blood with his body and says I'm fine. I'm just resting just lying down on the floor of the kitchen as one does. Yeah so let's bring it on home to the ending. So we've had the back toback Sondheim I performances part of what's on I'm performances mean is that we know where they are. Now Right. I mean I feel like that's that's the part of the movie where they both sort of land in the place that they're going to be at the end and even although his singing shows that he's damaged messed up he's also sort of okay bidding goodbye to his New York Life. She seems thoroughly -Sconsin her life and actually pretty happy by the end. She even finds a new boyfriend who we learn. Nothing about really accepted. He's there on the last Halloween and he seems to be part of her family. Now in the way Charlie used nice and cute and and nothing else driver put it that way. So after we see them settled into their SONDHEIM subject positions. How do we see them through to the end? What's the last we see of Nicola Colin Charlie again? This is something we're told about. That happened rather than seeing it happening. But we get a sense. There's a party at Nicole's and Laura dern characters as well well you know since Charlie agreed to move to La And you know you don't really need any more. Everything settled. And it was like He. He did. When did that happen? In other words the movie it kind of jumps over but he has used Charlie got a place in La he's taken a residency at an La Theater. which we know is something that he was offered before and turned down Without inner sort of fully early consulting with with Nicole So he's making a place for himself on the West Coast see still seems to be alone But as you know putting down roots at least kind of reconcile to the fact that this is where his ex wife and his son live and if he wants to be part of either of their lives he's is going to have to at least have like a pretty substantial footprint there. I hope you got a better apartment. You know it's it's a process Yeah and she seems to be Nicolas's Ben kind of growing through the whole movie like she's really the one her period of being stymied were kind of before the movie starts arts and she is just kind of really expanding in a way that you get a sense that she really kind of wasn't allowed to or didn't allow herself to in the marriage so she's been not even emmy nominated. Isn't that something that they say she's Emmy nominated not for acting but for directing directing inches ball. Actually directed at episode is like like Azis like oh so now I know what you do and that sort of like oh right. She doesn't have to be like the actress WHO's directed by the director. She could just direct. I can't help but think of that as a GERWIG moment I are. You are certainly free to read it and And then it's Halloween again right. We saw them. Have this horrible Halloween. which we haven't really talked about? But the one where he forces the kid to go Out Trick or treating a second time and they have a fight about what costume. He'll wear all of that stuff. Those those petty disagreements felt so real to me in that first bad halloween. But they're not that pointed up but once again with this this doubling structure. I was talking about. Halloween comes back and this time. It's okay. Yeah they've sort of reconciled in the first one they are This is is the moment we find out that Nicole has found out belatedly about the affair. She like hacked into Charlie's emails which really have reminded judge is actually a federal crime but she's acting to his emails found these back and forth with him in the stage manager realizes that Yeah he was cheating on her. That affair didn't actually play into the divorce. 'cause she finds out about it later. But there's this kind of underlying hostility that we don't quite understand the origins of it. I but Charlie has come out from New York took retreat with her son. He got this special costume made by his costume designer from his theater company was the costume designer. That made the costume was in fact that when each that might bear And the kid is like no I just WanNa be like I forget what it is like you know power ranger like something store-bought because his cousins are going to be that I so identify with the parent whose thrusting the arrest take homemade costume on the kid. Yes me yeah exactly. And then and then she says well look. We're you know we're going to go trick or treating with the cousins and like they don't especially her sister does not want Charlie along so like you can take afterward. And he's like well. There's no there aren't too like cycles of trick or treating you get go back out at eight o'clock or whatever so just another anti L. A.. Poke right that they have to be driving around in the dark right and eventually ends up like kind of kid walk into a liquor store and like they give them like a lollipop the counter like eight or eight thirty or something like that but this is total failure. They just ended up like in Adam Roberts hotel room like not doing anything. It's what are those like. He can picture the kid like talking to the therapist about the worst Halloween they ever had Be a flash forward a year and they are this more not exactly act like a blended family. But they're sort of more reconciled larger unit of You know ex husband and ex wife boyfriend son Mother and sister all kind of working in some sort of new equilibrium than maybe he's in totally established but at least is gelling into something workable. And if I remember right that that shooed lace time when what you talked about is really the last gesture between them up the movie right. I mean ties issue. She sends him off with the kid and on she also seeds custody to him right. I mean that's a symbolically important moment right. It's not seats permanent custody but just says it's my weekend but go ahead and take him. Yeah you go ahead and take him home like he's tired. It's my but you go. You take them home and we'll just go out to dinner and meet later and it's now they've been extricated from this sort of litigious process of settling the divorce they can the give and take like human beings a little bit more right I I also remember. I don't remember a lot of camera movements in movie because like I say it's a pretty straightforwardly told movie movie I mean you could critique it for being too conventional or almost TV movie and it's just framing of scenes. But I do love at the end of the way the camera pulls up in a way and frames james them in a landscape right. I mean it's been a movie of a lot of close ups in two shots and intimate indoor scenes and it ends at this moment outside just on a suburban street where the trick or retreat handoff happens but the way the camera kind of moves on a crane in a way gives you a sense that you're their world is expanding and that our world is expanding too right. I mean I saw this movie be twice in some very beautiful movie theaters and I am glad that I did but also not one that breaks my heart to think of people watching at home on that flex like I think think it'll do as long as you don't sit down and watch it at you know in two hours and don't do it in chunks over your commute. I think it'll it'll work just fine in that environment environment. One last thing before we sign off on marriage story what do you think of its Its Oscar chances on we just this morning came from the New York Film Critics Circle Meeting where the only thing that marriage story got somewhat to. My my surprise is that Laura dern got supporting actress award which was sort of partly for this and partly for a little women like an umbrella award over. Both I had thought that this movie which is very crowd-pleasing. I mean the crowd loved it when I thought that would maybe sweep a little bit more of our awards but do you think in the season in general it will do. Well I mean I from what I know and I I am far from the world's Best Oscar predictor but I do know some people were much better than I do and they are generally agree that Laura dern in is probably the favorite supporting actress at this point. That obviously doesn't mean she's GonNa win but she's a very strong contender for that and it is a sort of more kind of intimate chamber drama thing that the Academy has mostly favored in the recent years. They oddly have not been going for the big four quadrant hundreds of millions of dollar movie kind of movie. You know they don't. They're not going for like huge box office successes for the most part so I think this kind of fits that profile As well I mean the academy has become substantially more diverse over the last several years. They've added a ton of new members. This is there's no getting around and extremely white movie but then again Green Book One last year. So that's not Duma movies Oscar. Chances at this point still still. Yeah I'm I'm curious to see how it does because it's one of those movies that you could imagine doing well in almost any category but maybe as we were saying earlier. It's not quite cinematic enough or innovative enough that it's going to really grab anyone's attention in any one particular area right a minute. If I had to totally spit ball I mean I think you know it probably stands a like a stronger chance in screenplay than it does in something like director or best picture both and extremely well written movie and extremely like clearly written movie like it's just you can in very clearly see how the virtues of it come from the writing on. Its feels like. Oh well they probably just made that up on the fly and the scenes feel even though apparently Laura dern whenever big monologues was kind of at least built out of an Improv. It feels like a very clearly concisely precisely written movie. And I think that's would be a sensible to recognize it all right well. I'm curious to see how it does now that we're heading into award season Sam. Thanks so much for coming in to spoil our engineer today was merit our producer. Was Rosemary. Belsen if you have ideas about other movies or TV shows that you would like to spoil you can always drop us a line boilers AT SLATE DOT com. 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Tom Hanks - 'A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood'

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1:12:21 hr | 2 years ago

Tom Hanks - 'A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood'

"Hi everyone and thank you for tuning into to the two hundred ninety eighth episode of awards chatter the Hollywood reporter's awards podcast. I'm the host Scott Feinberg and today for the first time in this podcast history and we just celebrated celebrated our fourth birthday on September six it is my great pleasure to welcome back a previous solo guest not for our usual chronological walk through guests life and career which we did the first time this person joined us back on episode one hundred ninety eight which we released back on January eighth two thousand eighteen but rather for a free form warm conversation the legendary. Tom Hanks sixty three year old and I sat down at the Soho Metropolitan Hotel Toronto on the morning after the world premiere of Mari Hellers new film. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood in which Hague's please Fred Rogers the bluffed host of the children's television series Mister Rogers neighborhood for the film film which is not a bio-pic of rogers rather drama about how Rogers changed the life of a magazine writer who came to profile him hanks has already garnered some of the best notices of of his career and could be headed back to the Oscars the nominee this time in the category of best supporting actor for the first time in an astonishing nineteen years. We're not going to get in the habit of bringing back previous guests on this podcast because with most of them. There's only so much to actually talk about but hey csus frankly a very special case and I was thrilled to have the chance to sit down with him again but I I was joined at that same Soho Metropolitan Hotel Melanie the editorial director of the Hollywood reporter to discuss the jam packed. I two weeks of the Film Award Season Matt. Thanks for coming in no problem so first and foremost we're sitting here in Toronto. We are a little tired from last night when the Hollywood reporter became for the first time a partner with the Hollywood Foreign Press Association on the Big Party of the Toronto International on vessels so I just want to ask you what your feelings are the next morning it was great. If my voice is a little grabby that's because I was talking loudly at people for four hours at a party. No it was really nice. It's great to see all the talent come out and they're really excited. They've got films to debut and talk about you know everyone's in a good mood so you know as far as the award season goes everyone's a winner at Toronto. No nobody's eliminated yet and it was really great. They have been a good partner so hope to do it. In the future yeah and great turnout from stars Jaylo coming right from the premiere of Hustlers we had Eddie Murphy coming right from the Premiere of delight as my name and just not Adam Sandler are we can go on so that was exciting but let's go backwards for a minute two weeks ago almost to the start of the fall award season which is the Venice Film Festival. It was highlighted by the world premieres of marriage story. Noah Baumbach movie very highly anticipated from net flicks and ad Astra with Brad Pitt but the a big story it turns out is joker the movie from Todd Phillips Best Known for the Hangover starring Joaquin Phoenix added this movie takeover the the season well first of all. It's really good. It's a it's going to get lumped into. The comic book movie crowd but it's really not it is a seventies style dark gritty character study exactly the kind of movie that critics go nuts over it was really smart of Warner Brothers to premiered merited than is too telegraph that this is not your father's superhero movie. This is a different kind of thing. It's R. rated. It's super violent really intense. It will be a little bit too much for some audiences. I think the academy will probably like it a lot because like I said it does remind people full of those kinds of Scorsese era seventies gritty character movies but it really puts that movie in the pole position at this point. I think going into the season a lot. The People thought that Joaquin Phoenix would be a contender for the performance which is amazing but now this is an all category contender and just like last year with Bradley Cooper Super who was sort of an untested awards oriented filmmaker now Todd Phillips is smack in the middle of the race and he has a lot more experience obviously than Bradley Cooper director but people don't know him as a prestige film director. They know him as the guy from the hangover. I think what we're going to see over. The next couple of months is a transition where Todd Phillips Becomes Gone Autour Style Yeah Maker and quite funny in the same month in which Craig Mazin who wrote the two sequels to the hangover is potentially get a win in some Emmys for noble so these guys have come a long way including Bradley but the secret though the hangover is actually a really good yeah. Take away all the gross out out humor and everything is just a really well made well executed movie and you know I think Kudos to Warner Brothers for recognizing that this filmmaker could take a turn and do something as dark and as meditated as joker. Yes that will screen here on Monday. Nights on people are going to have to catch up with it on Tuesday because Monday night. Toronto's doing something. It's never really done before with a tribute gala. They're getting in the awards dispensing business but the first awards were from Venice and joker won the Golden Lion the top prize which previously last year went to Roma sort of presumptive runner up the year before went to shape of water which won best picture at the end of the day so that's interesting. Can we talk for a second about the second place I inner you read my mind all right Venice. Yes I mean the fact that the Polanski movie an officer and a spy won the grand jury prize which is the runner up yes position at Venice. That's a real wild card because this film doesn't even have a US distributor right and the question now is is somebody going to take a chance on Roman Polanski will knowing that it's good and also knowing that you're stepping into a buzzsaw if you do so. I don't know I mean I know major studio would touch and I don't think so I mean the the man is a convicted child rapist who who has been on the run for the past few decades and you know even though he you know was toasted by the Academy of for the pianist they've now how kicked him out of the account. He's suing to get back in the academy so I just don't see any major studio touching this but you never know the smaller distributor someone who's can you know likely to make a name on this film. There might be an audience for it well and then there's nate Parker who also won a prize at Venice with Americans. What did he win. He won the category that his film was screening in. He won that prize for his movie. American skin his first film since the birth of a nation followed by all of his controversy but the reviews reviews for his film weren't that good. I saw it in L. A. and I thought it was. I thought it was interesting. It's it's sort of a contemporary set story about white cops and Black Youth on armed youth sort of having one of these too frequent conflicts or run INS and then it kind of becomes twelve angry men and dog day afternoon in one but I just I think these days you know people are so cautious especially. I mean Nate Parker with birth nation and then his followed after that was bad that enough but then metoo came after that so now I just wonder if people will take the ticket he had spike. Lee's standing next to him at all events and you you know let's not forget. He was not convicted. He was exonerated in the trial. So I think the reviews I saw were not positive so when I I saw those I said Oh you know it'd probably be something someone takes a chance on but if the Venice Film Festival endorsed it you know maybe they will telluride did overlap the bit with Venice and the big stories. They're oddly for a festival that really prides itself on first anywhere screenings were movies that had screened elsewhere so you had parasite which was the big winner can came in and and had its first. North American screenings went over really well marriage story again via Venice was great the big world premieres though where the two popes who are played by Jonathan Pryce and Anthony Hopkins a very unlikely but king's speech s kind of crowd-pleaser Judy with Renee Zellweger Judy Garland in the last year for life and getting the kind of reviews that means she she could win a second Oscar and Ford versus Ferrari. I just I wonder you know from from. La what was your sense of how things were gone down. Intel era. I mean those are films that I haven't seen and I was relying on people a- actually I was talking to people at the HR HIPAA party last night and three separate people who arrival distributors said that Renee Zellweger will win an an Oscar for this performance as judy the film so so you're not not an all category contender but she is so good in this role. I really can can we. That's how I felt when I saw entire and I think that also it helps us. You know the narrative behind the performance sometimes just as important as the performance in here. She's playing a woman who later in her career was sort of just cast out and beaten down and whatever and then I won't get into how the movie itself ends but Renee Zellweger. It's been sixteen years since her last Oscar nomination. She was once America's sweetheart. Now she sort of you know she had become an an away in some people were kind of cruel about it but a bit of a object of Jokes and mockery for various reasons. It's quite a comeback narrative. There's one I think people in this town like more than knocking somebody down. It's bringing them back up. I think so yeah I I can't wait to see. I've always loved Zellwegger. I was just watching Jerry Maguire. The best most people said is they were. Everyone was surprised that joker has been doing so well. In in the screenings ever wanted to see it and then two popes yes. We want to be a breakout. I really think that one is I think Netflix so far in the early going seems to have put its ships sort of half on marriage story half on on the Irishman which will see open the New York fessel on September twenty seventh but I really think the two popes is the kind of crowd-pleaser that could win the audience award here in Toronto and that could take on a life of its own with you know in the way that the king's speech said but we will see the big world premieres. Toronto have been hustlers last night really blew up our review was terrific this Jaylo Cardi B. and a whole bunch of other women based on a true story. You've got our guest on this up so Tom Hanks is playing. Fred Rogers in a beautiful day in the neighborhood. Just mercy with Michael Jordan and Jamie Foxx a lawyer and his client trying to rectify an injustice on death row in Alabama and then Dolemite is my name that he murphy kind of comeback also what's your sense is any hustlers kind of broke out. Yeah hustlers seems seems interesting because people are saying that Jennifer Lopez has an awards caliber supporting performance here where she plays this kind of seasoned stripper who ends up leading this crew in their crime spree. I think Tom Hanks is fantastic in a beautiful day in the neighborhood every minute he's onscreen you. You just can't help but smile and it's not a there's no aesthetics. There's no no Qasim he's just inhabiting Mister Rogers and because is there such goodwill for Mister Rogers and such goodwill for Tom Hanks you. Just you're along for the ride the whole time. Do you think it's limited to Tom's performance. Which I now sort of seems consensus is that that would be a supporting performance or do we think it can go beyond that you know it's an interesting film because people see the ads and they think oh it's a mister rogers movie but it's actually about the matthew reese character as a journalist and his journey with his father and using Mr Rogers sort of a springboard for discovery and himself self and we'll see how the academy thinks of it because the centerpiece performance. Is this supporting performance. Tom Hanks. I loved the way one other journalists put. Would it last night. which is that it? She felt it was a mister. Rogers episode for adults where you basically totally learn things and feel good but not in a not being talked down to absolutely. It's not the Matthews performance is not showy. It's not it's not. He plays a journalist but it's fictionalized so so we'll see Chris. Cooper is also excellent movie he is. Let's just close by noting that there are still a lot of movies here to premiere in the coming days. It's Araujo. Joe Joe. Joe Rabbit Rabbit is amazing. I've seen that okay and it is going to really really rock people and they ate it so I mean yes. It's a Hitler comedy. It's about a child in World War Two as an imaginary friend Hitler but it is so funny and irreverent and Tyco. TD's voice in this film uh-huh absolutely comes through he plays Hitler Andrex so I could actually see that taking home the audience award okay. I haven't seen two popes yet but that people say that one just S. Mercy Yemen over really well the the anti-death-penalty movie with Michael Jordan and Jamie Foxx that went over really well with the audience that's odd on Friday night and they still are going to see joker so I mean that if that's such a crab legs we'll see but so also Harriet. Nobody nobody's seen that yet Cynthia Rehired Tubman Lucy in the sky with Natalie Portman and the list goes on. We should remember that last year. It wasn't until the sixth day of the festival when many journalists had already gone home that a little little movie called Green Book had its world premiere here and went all the way to win the Audience Award and the Best Picture Oscar so a lot more to look forward to thank you for coming in and talking about it with US Melanie any problem thanks and now for my conversation with Tom Hanks. Thank you so much for coming coming back on the PODCAST. It's two years since the post. Then you are first returning guests really special the little the little susser exactly but congratulations last night. I was lucky to be there for the first anywhere screening screening of Beautiful Day neighborhood and I want to come to that in depth later on but I mean just overall. The teams have gone over pretty unbelievably a lot of times film festivals. I suppose the place positive buzz goes to die here in a couple of couple of time not here but actually no you know there's been times you come to you know there's there's a number of film festivals where it's like the official beginning of some sort of like attention season and I have been on both sides of the the both sides of the spectrum. Uh of hey we were hoping but this is much as wasn't palpable. Can you or how do you evaluate. How Movies Gone Whoa I actually I think the only way you can do it is to judge it based on how cynical the interviews serious really because there are ways that brand of citizens like default setting particularly in a gladiatorial contest of thumbs up or thumbs down on a film film 'cause a Lotta Times. They're just fans of the fact that they're seeing a movie period and they're celebrating you know the Toronto but all in the film festival all of it all and they're willing participants in seeing a movie for the first time that that doesn't necessarily mean that onto the deeper ripples of whatever stones stone. You've thrown into the opinion are going to carry through. Both I think really just is what's going to be the discussion going to have the next day if they're having a discussion of wind the world that you make this move at all or or what is the agenda that you've set because of this movie. How dare you Blah Blah Blah or they're talking about at the corporate the corporate strategy from releasing then you know you didn't get you didn't get them on a on a just a basic human storytelling. How who do do you trust that you know who sort of in the inner circle that you can count on to give you their own honest opinion well. The old saying is tell the truth in previews reviews but Li- through your teeth at the premiere I think the people that have been well you know there's somebody we have an office. We have company company and you can't waste time on being nice it. Whether it's our own movie or somebody else's we really do have a you know. Let's have a come to Jesus sus moment. Did we do it or not. Movies I think are binary there either double zero zero one they either work or they do not not after that. It's all a crap shoot you know is it going to fit into the Zeitgeist of the world at the time that it comes out but before any of that is does it work work. Did we achieve telling the story that we all thought we were telling and if it's a double zero you cannot change it. It was zero era one great well then you move onto the next plane out the two hundred dollars round table right. That's the limit. How much are we going to lose. Or how much can we turn a profit on on this. I want to ask you about the Zeitgeist of it all because to your point that you just made I remember with the Post. I think you guys made it right before for the whole war on the press and all of that had not really revved up to the extent yeah yeah. We didn't realize it yeah we were actually making a movie about the First Amendment for four we realize that somebody out there tearing down the first of it yeah and so I guess I just wonder in your experience with so many movies that people have really pay attention to can you remember specifically a time when Zeitgeist may be helped the project and then a time when it let me tell you when we produced band of brothers Yeah for Hbo that Really Stephen and I had done saving private Ryan that when it came out we were just at the end of the lifespan of the people we were talked generation that we were talking about and there hadn't been a true World War. Two movie made that wasn't a caper film film or about you know stealing something or what have you because it was that kind of big ask the day of days kind of thing we ended up hitting this kind kind of like spot that hadn't been it's for a really long time so out of that came this massive amount of dialogue not just from historical perspective but from very personal guys who are nineteen years old when it went through right by the time we finished band brothers what I love about that as you get to expand on whatever tiny theme you had about seven minutes to examine in a movie will now you have about seven hours you can examine we premiered before nine eleven and then nine eleven happened and we had no idea if anybody wanted to see a story about combat where to Nazis these guys it is and I think we were off the air for about two weeks as the entire world took about two weeks to try to recover from it and we thought this could be really a the most host inappropriate moment to continue on this story it turned out to be a tonic it turned out to be. I think a reestablishment of our sort of a moral compass that had been knocked askew by nine other meaning a cause and effect meaning a it was like a measure of some the more barbaric aspect of civilization they should but still it was one in which there was a rationale to it. There was a geography that makes sense so I would say that was one time when zeitgeist ended up surprising yeah in regards to like doing doing the the workforce or not when we actually like landed on something I think I have to go back to forrest. Forrest gump gave everybody a chance. I think to put an awful lot of stuff behind a simply because Lieutenant Dan Losses Lakes. It'd be it not that ended up being right about the time that enough of Vietnam had happened and other things had gone on so that we could address it in a way on purely human and actually unspoken terms. There's there's a moment when that movie that I think made an awful lot of people ponder the last thirty years of their lives and it came when Lieutenant Dan Walks up with his wife who who is an Asian wife and I looked down at its legs and four says magic legs and it with there's a moment between the two of them that just put Vietnam to bed for them that we didn't know we were landed on that but we landed on that and I think it was really quite profound. In a way that was part of a much bigger kind of sort of like the end end of history that mattered yeah you know. I don't know if there's anyone out there who's entire filmography more familiar to more people today you in terms of I'd like to thank. VHS DVD's repeatable dis somewhere right now something in my librarians areas playing on a on a grid on TV remote somewhere. You could just press channel four five. There's something playing a mind. Is that a good feeling. I know you last time you were on. We talked about how in some ways maybe reinforces a certain screen persona from your most famous roles that I don't know. Would you say it can in feel hard to break out of that because of the fact that you're just constantly on repeater. Howdy regard the fact that it's a great point that you are the VHS Sarah's vanguard vanguard at the end of the day. It's to be ignored because it's just what the status of the technology is now. There's nothing you can do in order to change it on occasion. A wonderful thing happens benzes at someone says you know I had never I had never seen Hologram for the king alone in a hotel room going out on my mind when I saw this move that no one paid any attention to and when that happens well you know thank goodness for video on demand or streaming service that this guy got lost on some across the board. I don't think it's for anyone individual. Is that because you can see anything you want to. You can study anything you want to at your fingertips. This miracle machine does provide a sort of access of of examination that is just an extension of the power of a movies individuality the digital anyway I mean. Do you think anybody would be not surprised when they realize it. You know I've only seen this movie twice but I remember or even once but I remember members specifically this very powerful moment well now you can watch the movie fifteen times in a week and come back and it doesn't make the moment more or less powerful. It's still really does land on on it right there and that's different the we had a version of this when I was a kid which was once a year. CBS aired the wizard of Oz a movie that did not do well in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. When it came out it was not a hit in any way didn't make wasn't commercially successful? It didn't become a cultural touchdown until it played on Sunday night on CBS. Once a year beginning like nine hundred fifty five or whenever it was that it'd be they began and you would always watch it. Walk Bill was Mark Martha County the opening of the baseball season or Easter week or Halloween came around wants and guess what you did the whole family set down. You Watch too took me years before I could watch those flying monkeys. They've scared but that is the exact same thing you have now would easily repeatable billings except you know now. It's indexing drain. You can do it as much as you wanted to but that's not a bad thing. It's just a super super extended version of having a really good revival house in your neighborhood. Let's the movie that got away in the sense that it deserves to be familiar to people from you know you mentioned Hologram for like are there other. What's the one that you feel the strongest longest about as far as people should have seen this movie well first of all that's always in the whole vox populi the only thing that matters here but I I made a movie called called Cloud Atlas. That was the deepest throw of anything I've ever been involved premiered at this festival that's right it did and by the way that was one in which we felt as though this is most magic magical movie. I've ever been and and the audience at least in the crowd agreed but it didn't happen elsewhere because we didn't realize we were of course you have to realize if you're going from the very personal experience very public experience is like I feel really lucky about number forty two but then in the lotto it it doesn't even come on you're talking about a sweepstakes that you that you end up losing but both the way it was constructed and the way the we're Xiao Skis cast cast a big ensemble and had us all play multiple parts because on one hand is thematically kind of interesting to that but on the other side you could never made the movie there's just too many speaking part so it wouldn't hardly been a movie and I felt that that thing very tested this cinematic narrative so far Dr it delighted me and a handful of others but that testing of the narrative really flummoxed people and as soon as if they're flunks for more than seven minutes in a movie they're doc you got seven minutes to. D- flunk them and if you don't hopefully you'll they'll people will come back and revisit it in twenty years and that happens again in and again in cinematic history there are films when they came out were almost incomprehensible to an audience and then somewhere you know farther on down the line people take to it and just say where's this thing an example of it was. I think it was a rights issue that it's a wonderful life called capricorn when it came out and everybody dismissed Mr as kind of like to Fuzzy of Christmas movie and then it disappeared for about twenty years and when it came back on I'm going to say in their seventies. When it came came on I remember seeing that and just think this is one of the coolest movies I've ever seen and since then it's become a movie that so often imitated that you can't take there's an I I guess another situation where the Zeitgeist matters I mean it's forty six just after the war right who wants to think about all the depressing things in their life and all all the re the uplifting part. You have to get to where it might have been a tough sell it. I think I think also that there was a couple of other films that banged that and rightly so like you take the best years of our lives which was forty six. I think there was a lot more like forty eight forty nine best years forty nine. Oh dear Lord so honestly yeah. That's if you want to put something specifically behind you. Have Somebody really smart examined this theme well. They did that so I don't know if you have room for another examination examination is isn't it interesting though how thin line can be between a movie working or not working like with so you mentioned cloud atlas but I mean I think about forrest gump which I believe would probably be the biggest success quote unquote commercially of your career and the fact that when when you really break it down people to care about a guy who has sort of an unspecified mental challenge and is a pretty odd guy and I just I feel like that one could have gone very wrong not much in one way or the other it was. I think it was a thing that on paper it was fraught with disaster but in reality forty it was something else it was different than it was on the page or in the idea. I know that there were big time show business professionals who actually ran the roofs for a while and and just you cannot release any movie called. Forrest gump you know in July the just not going to sit for it then also along you know the the log line elevator pitch. This mentally handicapped. Blah Blah Blah and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and everybody says well. I've seen that movie fifteen times. Bob Zemeckis Backus cannot make a movie that people have ever seen before he has to constantly stretch the boundaries that being said you know we went into it thinking being that cinematic. Bob had this whole kind of thing that I couldn't even understand what he was going to do but we also had weeks weeks and this was the first time this happened. We had weeks where everybody in the movie. Mi Michael t sally Gary Robin was not available but she she was an eric who wrote it and Bob. We sat in a room much like this in a hotel for two weeks and we started on page one and went all the way through to the the and then went right back to page WanNa all the way through to the end and went back to page one when all third and and everybody got to talk about anything they wanted to scenes they. We're not in moments that they had to figure out it ended up being for Bob. He wanted there to be no. This is this is since I'd entered this into my lexicon if they could be no mistaking what the scene is about he sat back and we all had to know what that red dot was because on the day when the cruise you know the sun is going down into generator is running and the kids have to go back to school and Blah Blah Blah everybody has you can't have having arguments. What did he really say that here. That was one aspect of while we're doing but the other one was was to establish the logic of the movie these vis-a-vis the logic of forest and that's where we had some major changes a direction in the course of doing that because Eric had written pretty much fantastic fantasy fantasy with cartoons and things coming out and you know like visions of the way force saw the world that was almost like an you know Walt Disney. Mary Mary poppins run a moderate but I think the best example of it is had been our Vietnam sequences. We didn't know we were making movie about Vietnam. We started the Vietnam sequences were kind of like Buck privates like Abbott and Costello being training and then going all these things were happening by accident and Gary God bless him his brother brother-in-law had been in Vietnam and he said we can't do that. We can't do that to these guys and we then got into a discussion of like how can we put this essentially elite comedic character in Vietnam and from that came. This sensibility of this was a big deal. We were saying you know the the training sequences was like Bob. We can't make fun of this because he's guys lives are going to be in jeopardy. We can't have the forest gump through the and Bob said well. What if he's the best guy the platoon I said I'm not saying I said I don't want to be that kind of kind of here. And then I and I entered into that for me. Searching for the log episode well that makes total sense ends because force always would he is told and that began this long thing that ended up governing the movie that I think was never stated but was palpable applicable and therefore there was no nonsense oddly enough. There's no nonsense and forrest gump despite the fact that beats every president and you know as an all these places laser oh that could happen. I think that's one of the I look. It is widely successful are joke at the time was if we'd only made one hundred million dollars we would. I've been genius but because we made three times as much we were all you know will one question that that sort of ribs in my mind I mean how many of your films have you actually had any rehearsal time on and before you answer I just I understand the financial realities of filmmaking that it. It's hard to get everybody together. It costs Haslam money but wouldn't it actually based on the Times that you have had it like a forest gump that enhances the movie so much that it it would be worth it in the end. Not every movie is rehearsal quite frankly because you're outside scattering moment of catcher in reality that really lasts about forty-seven seconds on screen but there are other movies that thank God you have for example. Norris movies neuron both sleepless in Seattle and you've got mail we had scenes scenes that lasted for fourteen pages and they took places in a house so we would actually just like in the theater tape out the set and half props and do it and we would rehearse those scenes and number one. We've completely understood what the scenes with the lines down. They were ready to shoot but number two nora knew exactly exactly then what happened and where you could put the camera and stuff happened by accident in rehearsals that we then would incorporate into what was going on not every the look. I I've made movies both way no rehearsal whatsoever and rehearsal in an intense fashion owner. Just get to the bottom of it. I think the place where where it really it's not necessarily an aide to the actor but it can't be to the filmmakers in movies like with intrigue in you know or like the scavenger hunt movies that are made with Ron Davinci code and angels demons and that kind of stuff ends up US pacing around in a room just like this rehearsal hall and it doesn't really they do us any good the actors but it helps out Ron. You know be able to come out steady cam here crane here come in tight here. It helps them make the shot list but for us the actors because I didn't feel the so anything really matter actually got on the set. We're doing it in the real physical space every generation it seems like has their cinematic stand then for the American every man right so probably Jimmy Stewart is the most famous go back a little farther than that and even now there's others to it seems like at a certain point. You came to be regarded as that guy. Even if sometimes you play an executioner play whatever that that is sort of in the back of people's heads in in a lot of cases when did that start. Do you remember the you know. Tell you this brief. Lewis Brian Grazer told me this honestly honestly this was splash. This was the first real movie that I was in that was back. When like magazines articles really mattered as far as you know getting movie out and he was talking to some guy and so the journalist said so this new guy hanks dea think he's like I the next Jimmy Stewart or the next cary grant and now the producer of the movie has to glad hand that journalists and so we went on this long thing about well you know he's got this senator that he said you know? CARY grant had this and cary grant. was that carry. I'd say Carey Grant Yeah but the journalist Said Yeah but don't you think is more like Jimmy Stewart so right there. It becomes this kind of like thing my think. That was the just the conversation that got picked up. Yes because look I think that you cannot deny a countenance that the actor has that either fits in the movie and fits in the role old or does not the challenge that I knew of relatively quickly as a guy who wanted to do I wanted to have longevity. was that that if I was just going to rely on the countenance I'm suck because I'll only be able to do this kind of thing even said at some point. I don't WanNA play. The Guy whom the guy who can't get laid can't understand why his blankets failing and therefore needs to blank I can't I can't I need to do something other well. I quote it back back to you. On the last episode. There was one time where you collectively described those guys as pussies and I don't mean that in no I mean that is behavioral right Anatomic quit. You felt that if somebody had never seen Tom Hanks before saw your face that time their default would be this is going to be the guy that sort of like why'd I discussing. Yeah and God knows that was that was the coin of the realm for a long time. Those type of movies were being made constantly. It was the guy who lied about being know how to he. He can really ski well now. So therefore the girl doesn't now he can't ski. There's an awful lot of movies like that and I realized that you know. I have a non threatening. You know I have this body. This is what I sound like. This is what I look like. This is what my body languages and with a slight degree. I have faith in whatever the aging process is going to be. I knew you know as you get older. What are you going to do but push did come to shove at some point when I said all across the board. Take take these off yeah number one. I'm done at Nineteen Times number two. I'm too old to do it now and number three. I want to do stories about bitter compromise and those guys didn't have stories about bitter compromise and not long. I think that the first movie that came on after that was lethal Penny Marshall in which a character character had a history outside the immediacy of his own failings but as far as the American thing goes. I never viewed myself as anything other than an examination one of the American male state. That's what I always have been because at the end of the day I think that's what movies have to do is captured the way the world operates right now. Even if you're making a period movie it's still has to be at the way. The world operates right as a kid. who were the film actress who you most connected with well bef- before before I didn't pay attention to individual actors? They were movies at that really were extremely moving to me but when I began to like look at film something something other than a way to blow an afternoon or you know to go out on a date with the first guy that really nailed me. It was Robert Duvall. I took a class at Chabad Junior College mm-hmm Community College. It was literally film appreciation class and we saw a movie called the rain people that Francis Ford Coppola may disappeared James Khan was in it as well as the beginning of the Francis Coppola Repertory company Robert Duvall was in it and he it was a heartbreaking thing and they clearly remembered this guy look familiar and then later on realized he played rattling kill a mockingbird so the movie starts at that time we're Warren Beatty. They were all huge big. You know John Wayne was still around. He was doing all that. The Big Stars were really big movie stars but that's when I discovered my own repertory cinema in Berkeley called the cinema that the guy was going broke trying to play list Mania Tommy in front of seven people in a in in a fifteen hundred seat house and then they we're just gonNA do a different double bill every night and you started seeing movies like yeah. I saw James Dean movies in one night. I started going on my own and between Robert Duvall and Jason Robards. Those were the guys because they did not look like movie stars. They were not icons. You know they weren't John John Wayne and they weren't James Bond movies other word Boris Call Up. They just looked kind of people you know and they sounded just like people but they were more fascinating advantage. They weren't glamorous. They were authentic. They were crazy real I you could. I couldn't catch them. You know with a hitch in their stepper performing. They weren't performing. I didn't think there was any possibility to be a screen actor that that happens on on some other plane of existence but those are the guys I started paying a chance to is really hypocrisy Niro Pacino when they were young they were coming out but I I didn't quite have the same access to them that I ended up having to these other guys and when you were coming up doing theater doing whatever would people who were familiar with you and your work have categorized you as comedy Guy Yeah. Ah Yeah Yeah Yeah like like comedian the funny guy so I guess with the possible exception of nothing in common the first time you really got to do drama on screen would have been Philadelphia so wide. It's what did it take for somebody to see that other side of you. Why did that happen. I don't now probably because I just said yes everything that came down the pipe because I couldn't believe they were asking me to be moving. But did you think you could do drama. What did it or did it take for you to feel confident doing drama no no. I did not feel as though I could do it until I understood what it took even look. I will tell you I could walk through every episode of Bosom Buddies in which okay here. We're knocked it dead here. Nalen it here setting each other up one two three four. You know that that kind of thing but even in there are a couple of moments where I said they gave me he or Peter and I worked out a shot where it was actually a genuine more. It wasn't just a comedic kind of thing there was. There's I remember there's one specifically in in which I had an art show that went badly but the last image of it was me beholding my painting and it was a nice moment that wasn't long didn't didn't get lat but the closing credits produced by Don van Natta went by so. I was always seeking some expansion of that horizon. That's spectrum. You can't do it artificially you. I'm GonNa make a drama. I've got a knock people out well. You know you don't get to decide if the people are not they actually decided so there was a desire certainly did kind of like went along with the same area. I don't WanNa play pussies that there were part of it is getting older part of his taking more responsibility for all of your actions. You know not just your professional choices to get to a place where you I think I had something more often. I trusted that I could get my countenance to reflect that material. I'm glad it happened in the timing coming that it did because if I had been handed over a chance I think I would have faked it and that's the death. That's the death of any motion picture when you're not telling them the truth. You're just pretending. Did you ever go into one of these projects. That people have certainly you know that have has had a wide audience and literally as things got going thing not believe you could pull it off. Did you have to kind of fake it till you can make it on on anything. There is a faith you can have the the serendipity Darren Deputy of it all that you as long as you can. Try to walk away and feel honest about your efforts were that's. That's all you can do then you. You just have to hope that it's a zero one zero zero and that you know that that have plenty of movies at the you know the dailies were great cut went fine signed. GonNa fix this thing and it just never ever works and there's other things where you know. The dailies were okay. Who knows if it's going to cut together. We think it's okay. It's it's a little long. Let's turn this thing out and when it comes out it just all kinds of work. When I first saw Paulo Thirteen I was disappointed. I mean I saw by myself and I I just said well because I just knew so much more of the material and I thought why are we dumbing down for something because you were the big space was your passion. I was saying things like the quarter quarter corrective burned in last night long now I was. I was like I was that guy that was just conflict now why Senator Watson like that but it ended up being by not living up to my expectations actually had a much much broader understanding to it. The thing that I have learned is you must must have no expectations of it whatsoever. It's an absolute minefield and once you realize that it actually is is liberating because all you can do is get there and get to the truth is as as much as possible. I don't WanNa over use that word the truth but there was a thing that you're trying to capture it has to live in the exact moment that the film is running through the camera and if you got it you got it but if you don't you don't you never will and then you just just have to hope that somehow in this game of Texas Holden we have this you know in a two three that you have in your hand is actually going to lead to an inside straight great. Not that does all the time over over the years has the percentage of consideration of what what goes into choosing apart changed as far as this is something. I WANNA do versus. This is something I should do. It's actually completely altered because I I. I don't have to do anything anymore. I do not have to. I don't have to pay my rent right. You know I'm I'm financially comfortable after that. It's like I you had this conversation all the time because my wife and iron we're both doing these very creative thing at her music as well as her acting career and my writing adding and this other day job I have is only two reasons to do anything right and that is because it could be really good or it could be really fun right. There's no other criterion than would it be good for my career. I'm seventy three my career is I'm not like hoping to finally hit the height. When I'm setting ah sixty three excuse me did I say six seventy three what I meant to say not really working towards hidden the heights at seven hundred so it all comes down to now is is a great it sometimes. Is it great. Yes it is but the theme is not worth examining. Would it be fun yet could be but I don't really think it's GonNa really add much to the to the Zeitgeist so it has to be this this other version of boy this could be really good or this could be really fun. It's even best when it's when it's when it's bolt the building of a career and the choices that you make I think I think I am anybody. Else would probably waste an awful lot of time thinking. There is some rationale to that so for you. How does the agent and other advisers. What is their primary function for you. Is it just to gather material and and we down for you or late because Ashley. There's not a part of you. That says you know I want to make twelve cloud atlases but that's that's not going to you know now. I can lose it. You can lose an audience that way. The honestly the there are some. I guess some relationships if someone is out there is beating the bushes in my agent is Richard Love at it. He likes to think of himself as most important agent at the world's largest talented. None of those things are true but he I tell him that. Oh sure you up all the time. What what I would what you want to be able to have now. It's two things certain degree business ackman because I'm not negotiating creating these deals but also an understanding of here's what's important what the important is the best thing that we'll get the movie made there's other times it was most important is something else but the most import things and you want somebody who has their finger on the pulse of an awful lot of material but then you also want a genuine kind of feedback back that you can get now. I don't need to tell you that there's built in conflict of interests. You know what directors can we would be working. Who would be the great direct vote well. This list of clients would be magnificent so you have to you have to bar go through that but there is no no substitute for taking to a piece of material in a big way and then it gets to me through any number of avenues news will so for some of the more outside the box decisions that you may. I want to just ask you what the thought process. was you know in hindsight toy story. Lori was a look. We are twenty four years later and there's another one and people are still loving it but at the time just sort of mind folks. There never been an entirely. Charlie can computer animated feature film. There never been a pixar film and I don't know that you had ever voiced the character. I don't know that you'd ever made a movie that it was primarily targeted at young children why do because none of that mattered what mattered was is that it's a different for morrow morrow of evacuate artistic expression which I'd never had which I'm open to the other thing was it it made absolute sense. The very first moment I saw a second of it I don't care if it's a new form of animation that doesn't matter to me they had taken a line from my other Disney movie Turner and who right and they put it in woody and he was flailing his fists and donate the car don't anything on and it was his home this loop that played over and over again and just that said Oh okay. I see what you're going for here after that. You've got to learn the technology in the format and it's hard work. You know 'cause it's literally work on. Mike dislike this but everything starts off as a one off possibility is it zero zero zero and I will tell you that on toy story one we recorded and they Anna Matic that entire version of the movie that was thrown out and we went back and started all over that because it was not good Norway putting it it was flip it was it was it was a little on the cruel aside. It wasn't about it was it wasn't about people getting along toys getting along at adventure it was about a bunch of toys bickering and a cynical kind of fanning and it didn't work and so the time when you know John Lasseter came back and it just said you know the last eighteen months of work that we did well. We're throwing that. We're going to come and we're. GonNa do it all over again and I said all right. It's whatever the whatever the movie needs to be made then after that you get into a corporate structure the second it was going to go straight to video really yes and both. Tim and I got to know each other and we're we're actually still we still meet up about once a month and just today talk about the state of the world and just because you hit it off because we were both really different guys it really different places but we were united in this thing that was bigger than ourselves that surprised us and we have an awful lot in common and we are two totally different guy all all that same time the second both he and I were getting involved in the second one and it was gonna they were. GonNa pay us you know fine chunk of money and we're going to do a thing that was going to go right to write to the video and he because he was working at Disney at the time so he was beaten. The living daylights over everybody do Michael Eisner was nuts. You're crazy uh-huh and I would go in and actually unbeknown to him the first time I said. Could you grow the debt. Just roll the digital audio tape and let me just say this. WHO's ever in charge of this if you're not going to release this in the you're nuts guys this great. There's no reason just to go straight to video. Is it going to be I swear to God I'm not I'm. Not you think it's going to be expensive to do all that's that's okay because I think it'll make billion dollars. I was joking when I said that but then it turned into like that kind of thing so they you didn't see that what what was the operating by F. Economic Model then take into I think a degree of serendipity the model at the time was if you have a really big hit now in the theaters make a sequel for half as much money and put it out on on video and it'll make time which is an economic model that they were fully now to their credit it even to Michael Michael Eisner's credit time they said okay we'll take a shot at that and that was actually a type of show business economy that it doesn't exist anymore. It was literally like a one shot chance in order to in order to do it like that now. I'm not all what you're saying at the time was this is too good just to come out on home video. That's all I was saying this. Is You really this is mine action movie than the first one that we made it says something bigger and the technology technology was going to be raised more with Steve Jobs over somebody that was involved with that you dealt with on this yeah. There was a time when there was real real big corporate negotiations that were going on and there was there was a period of time I think where the battle between Pixar and Disney was going on under what was going to happen and there were there was a moment where I think there was some Verandah conference call with Tim and Ion and they wanted us he wanted us is to join up and say we won't do it unless blank blank blank and I can't remember in the room or not together but I just thought what is that that's protecting corporate interest as opposed to an artistic way now for a guy like Steve Jobs. It was no different destroyed. I need Tim and I were not right exactly that kind of thing because oh I think what it was because because Disney owned toy story sorry they worked it all out and indicating Pixar et Cetera et cetera and something something happened I don't I don't I was just operating it from an active it kind of thing like are you telling me that. I can't do a really good job that I like to do. I'm not I'm not sure I'm not sure that's the way this down here. At this end of the food chain anyway right right just looking at other the next of the sort of things that I know in hindsight we may look at one way but in the moment castaway would seem like like another one where could've gone off the rails deep deep throw that came all about all because about so you're back with him six six years after forrest gump people have said you know you are great in scenes by yourself some in a number of different situations going back to do the late night calls and sleepless in Seattle going to visiting Jenny's graven for Scotland stuff with Captain Phillips but I think this is a home movie of of that. Was that a scary does I would imagine not for me now because that was that movie came out of our own house. I hi came up with the idea I had about a third of what the movie could be bill broiled who wrote the screenplay. I just happened to mentioned it in passing. We were actually actually talking about another project that never came to be and he said well wait a minute. Let's go back to that thing. What are you talking about. At that time I called the Chuck of the Jungle Cyclical Madden and talk about chuck of the Jong Right and so he came up with this other third and we were looking for the last third and I bob said no but then Bob came back and said did you now because we were the first time when he said no said you guys haven't figured out the thing I said and we kept trying to figure trying to figure out we turn and then Bob figured it out the last third of the movie so little third third and third my luck on that is because I've been I've been thinking about it for six years by the time we got around to it. I said I only thought about it as the guy who is inhabiting chuck. I didn't think about the logistics I didn't think about the time line it into got production. I do think about anything except what about this beard. What about the weight and what about the beer because I actually have to do that and when Bob said well you know we had any guts uh-huh we'd shoot half the movie then you take a year off lose all the weight girl beard and the second half of the movie and initially that was like the studio radio I said are you kidding and Botch it now and the solution was for him to direct a movie in the year between yeah and that's exactly what would he made he made what lies beneath with the same crew so everybody was still altogether so he delivered to movies to Fox at the time while I will. I took the year off in order to lose weight and grow a beard. I got screwed up because I dislocated my shoulder because we were we're on a research scout for band band of brothers and I fell in a Nazi hole in bearish and dislocated my shoulder so I lost about eight weeks of my workout but luckily there was a I was skinny enough and there was some CGI that was able to go along but no one would do that now well. I'm not going to say no one because I think there's a lot of the movies that that like the low series that they stop for seven years and let everybody yeah like boyhood but we could not there was no way to shoot that movie all at once because you had a sixty pounds heavier me with no a beard and a one hundred seventy pound me with a really long beard and you can't apply a beard you can't do that. There was just no other way of doing it and this studio let us but along with that then came a constant kind of experimentation while we were doing it. There's a version of the script in which chuck talks to himself a lot and and as soon as we got to the island there's only there's no reason to talk to myself only reason for me to say anything when he thinks someone else is here as well so this logic just kept playing out because we not only were we working from prescriptive blueprint and the special effects budget and all that other kind of stuff that we had actually had a really massive free hand just to behave and that's that's what I ended up reacting to in a big way now that being said we had a movie that worked ninety eight percent fabulously in two percent of the movie. It completely dropped off. We did not have the punctuation right at the end of the movie and we were missing something from the typewriter keys and we did not I know what that was and we talked about it and talked about it and talked about talked about it. Once I was driving I was done at college tour with my daughter and I got Bill Oh and Bob on the on the speaker phone. We're trying to say well. What if we did this. What if we tried that Blah Blah and when Bob came up with the sensibility of you know. We don't know we don't know what chuck figured out. We shot a single scene on Friday after Thanksgiving ending for the movie that came out the Wednesday after Thanksgiving. WHOA wait? Is that the quickest turnaround you've ever had that first of all some people people say it's not possible and Bob said yet is it's just it's just getting it on the print. We postponed the prince up to this. It was just a simple shot would just me talking about the tide coming in that's all it was but it was it was the period on the end of the movie and there's an example of how fluid films can be is that you can be as late as the Friday before it comes out on Wednesday and you can get it cut it put it in and post it and it and it can always lickety-split yeah now with that was an amazing thing so with somebody that you've worked repeatedly like Bob Lake Stephen. Would there ever be an outright. No it's just not for me or will you work it out. No there is there's been any number times where it's about what the what the thing itself in yeah all the every time. I've worked with all anytime anytime. I've worked with anybody more than once yeah. Here's because I went to this you gotTA. Let me do this and if it's is not there that you can't do it. I don't get it. It's not for me. I don't have anything that I can I can bring to it isn't necessarily catch me if you can essentially a supporting right people don't expect Tom. Hanks play supporting part. Why was it because it was Stephen and you just knew healthy. Here's what here's what it was. I read it a- As a script example of screenwriting Scott Frank just heard it was great and then I read it and it soon as I said this is Jeff Air. You can't have les miserables without Javert right you gotTA. Have somebody good chasing this guy so I I literally look. I just read to Walter Parks as well as Stephen and eventually a called Eleo that said would you guys consider. Consider me for this because I think this is a great part. I think this is a dog did dedicated expert at what he is doing that needs to be constantly yapping at the heels of Frank Abergnail Leo DiCaprio and they said Okay Okay and then I did call Leo and it said Hey look I don't want this is your movie. I don't want to Horn in on it but I would really like if it's okay you know if you if you don't want me to get it and he said I think it'd be great and from that because look certainly it's nice to work with Stephen. You know it's it's it's good work all all the way around but I I just saw an opportunity. I had not applied not not played a part like that and I wanted to. I wanted to be essentially a guy with a government the job who loves chasing down fraudulent guy I just I just got it soon as I read it how the idea of a real a real person who could be called a hero which ties up all the way through beautiful day in the neighborhood where it's explicitly discussed this. You know it's the whole driving thing here is he's being profiled for ish heroes issue of esquire but you have played a number of real heroes. Just yes heroes on the the sort of I think that's a now. It has this kind of like connotations. Let's just let's mention people that could be called a hero with an and it's interesting because these are within the last decade. There's been a number of these guys Richard Phillips Captain Phillips Chains Donovan Chesney Sullen Burger Sully Ben Bradlee the post or forgot about Ben yeah yeah and now Fred Rogers and I just WanNa to ask you. You know you read a ton of nonfiction. You're selling entertain myself on Saturday nights. Stay home and read non fiction and I. I mean this goes back to Jim level of level. That was the granddaddy of them all but is it. What's the appeal of of of playing a guy like that and do you. Is there a hazard to doing it too. There is a massive hazard that you have to have allies in the creative process those allies and you have to see eye to I on what you are not going to make up. 'cause you work with a lot of people who say you know what you got. The rules of cinema is you. GotTa have a inflex moment of jeopardy or conflict as a page twenty seven and I'm the type of guy who says conflict flick is inherent to the endeavor. We don't have to juice up conflict and JIM level. I mean that that was that was really big. One right to begin with because I you know I grew up on all things Apollo anyway and there are two aspects of that is one is the heartbreak of a guy who swings around the far side of the moon for the second time all those Apollo guys are incredibly competitive very driven not all of them like each which other and almost all of them quit also say asked this question how come he gets emission right. How come I don't get a mission. He gets emission and honor get emission so with Jim up there doing that. At that point he was the most traveled man in the history of the earth he had been in space around the moon been in outer space longer than anybody and that that heartbreak coupled with timing providence the work of eight hundred people down on the ground honor to get if a hero is somebody who voluntarily goes into a situation that for which he puts voluntarily places himself in danger all right but at the same time you ain't going to keep any of those astronauts not from flying to the mode so hero or Hubris which which which one do you have everybody else that I was able to talk with Charlie Wilson one of them. Charlie Wilson's war why they did it in the first place is fascinating to me and it's always always different. I know it's always my countenance but it's always different. Charlie Wilson did not take on the Soviet Union for the same reasons that sully sullen Burger landed the point. I can tell you that right but I will say that Richard Phillips loved his life at Sea as much as James Donovan loved his life on a debating table they lived for it and that kind of like innate passion and drive is is a thing you get to carry around your pocket provided you are able to honestly find it on film. The guys that I've met with rich Phillips Sully Charlie when he was still alive. I always say look I'm going to NF. I said this last night. I got a podcast but I I've said instead it to other works out. I said it to Joanne. Listen Fred Rogers is going to say things he'd never said be places. He never was and do things. He never did right outside that I still want it to be one hundred percent accurate you know because there is a DNA. There is a cause-and-effect there is a a primal motivation for what they do that is completely leap particular to them and to the circumstance when I talked to a guy like sully for example who is the most engineered mind on the planet. The idea of what flying is how you fly what it means to fly what your responsibilities are what he himself took. Berry Berry seriously the things I loved about the aviation industry that he hated about the aviation industry all had to be right there but what it comes what it comes down to it. What was the biggest I biggest concern there then I I will say this. I'm not speaking for so long that it would have been the shame and humiliation of tragedy. If anybody at died on that plane he would have been the cause work. His job is to get everybody there safely and it is just as fraught with danger when the would nothing goes wrong and you're just flying from La Guardia to Charlotte as opposed to when geese hit the fan and and you have to land on on water so you'd kind of thing. I think it's easy in order to say that. Oh because you play all these nonfiction roles right now yeah but I only I only go at it. If we keep that bullshit to an absolute minimum and a lot of times the you're associated with people that don't care if you're putting awesome bullshit up there or not and either look you have to do it right but and this is the stuff that we produce as well yeah because at the at the company Anthony we've done their stuff John Adams that I absolutely love in this stuff and John Adams we sort of made up but nonetheless the DNA is still there the Pacific anything we've done it has been not you know what are we call nonfiction entertainment which has not just documentary and the documentary footage but the stuff that we ended up recreate getting past that idea of well well you know we need. Scott Goose up a little bit here and I always want to say they are jumping out of a plane into Nazi German right what needs to be i. We got a need to know about the men. Here's what you need to know about the men there in a plane. They're nineteen years old. They've been training for this for for the last three years and some of them are GonNa die in three hours that that's all that you that you need to know what's the equivalent of that for. Fred Rogers though in the sense that it ends up being the same sieve of authenticity that you have to push bread rodgers threw and in this case it's I was saying you know forgive me little too Glib because we talking to our Fred Rogers to this thing if you ask your average adult about Fred Rogers but I think he's either a saint or a fraud right right is is he a saint because he was able to get past the frailties at every human being has and go beyond that and create what he did or is it a fraud because he actually did have the same frailties every human being dead but pretended that he did not go. He never pretended anything. What it did was reflect? He did to a Ju Jitsu Kermode. He did make it about you much more than than it was about him you think of well so what is the jeopardy. That's involved well well to the credit of of what the screenwriters did and the boss Mariella saw going into it you the character of Lloyd played by Matthew Race. He's the guy who is is changed by Fred. The it's not a bio pic. It's not this thing that says this is how Fred Rogers discovered puppetry or anything like that but what it is is it ends up being an examination. I think Fred Rogers Ministry which a lot I gotta give credit to that documentary. we'll be there was so much in there that I think that was the first time I've never read documentary. Get these documentary do this kind of business what's going on and I hadn't and seen it when we started doing what this was. We started working on in then go at it the stuff that I not only found out but then later confirmed in our own routes and expanded upon and getting ready to do it was this ministry that he held his great spiritual teacher is is the theological advisor whose name I cannot remember forgive me. I don't have my notes he was going to be a Presbyterian Minister and he you didn't want to have a church and his his main advisors said he convinced the what do you call it the Presbyterian to say you have to make Kim Minister because his ministry is TV show and his his congregation is going to be every two and a half three and a half four half kid that's on the other side of the screen and they put their foot down on for a while and they wouldn't do it but then when they did and his if you're gonNA break it down to what was the single thing. He was trying mm to do for his congregation. That was let them know that they are safe. Let them know that it's okay to have any feeling you're having talking about. It is really good but don't don't be frightened by any feeling you're having because we all have. Are you scared. It's okay to be skipped. You said it's okay to be I said. Are you happy. It's okay to be and that is like that being a an odd be powerful message that has more residents than I anticipated. I mean there are people that coming out and I. I don't know what the I don't necessarily know other than I think it is a reprieve from cynicism because Sir sir time cynicism is our default setting all of this kind of stuff and guess what it could be an option as opposed to something that you actually have to have to fall into. Well can't thank you enough this. This is awesome. I enjoyed the chance all we're doing this talk about movies. Who can't do fortunately they. Were all my. That's a good thing. Well thank you. Thanks very much for tuning into awards chatter. We really appreciate you taking the time to do that and would really appreciate taking a minute more to subscribe to our podcast for free on itunes or your podcast APP and to leave us a rating as well. 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The 12th Annual Screenwriting Nominees Q&A

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

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The 12th Annual Screenwriting Nominees Q&A

"Folks today you're going to hear from the writers of seven out of Ten screenplays nominated for Oscars this year so we have got one hell of a panel for Ya. Howdy I'm Jeff Goldsmith and this is the QNA? My gender is simple each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling. I gotta say I can't believe this is the twelfth year that we've been doing this panel but times certainly flies when you're having fun and man. Do we have an amazing group for you. Today featuring screenwriters Christie Wilson Cairns of nineteen seventeen Taika Waititi of Gioja Rabbit Scott Silver for Joker Ryan Johnson for knives out Greta Gerwig for little women Noah Baumbach for marriage story and Anthony McCartan for the two popes they L. had great things to say about the creative process and it was a fun chat as well so I know you'll dig this episode but before we start I wanNA give shout to are awesome writer. Focus sponsors final L. 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So make sure to get yours in today and good luck and speaking of things to dig while you're surfing around online backstory magazine is publishing. Are Oscar issue you this week. It's issue forty one. It's filled with interviews with Oscar nominees and plenty more so make sure to check that out. Of course our current issues are one thousand nine hundred seventeen issue. That's all right is you. Forty has not one but four stories about nineteen seventeen which include interviews with the film's co-stars Dean. Charles Chapman George Mackay also editor Lee Smith Plus plus co-writer Christie Wilson cans. And Heck you could even read the entire screenplay for nineteen seventeen plus over thirty other award season scripts and backstory magazine as well. There's a Lotta stuff you to explore an issue forty so I hope you'll check out the table of contents at backstory dot net to see all the other great stuff that's inside still on the fence. Well well you can test drive us by reading our free issue or you could always grab a single issue on our site and you could also use coupon code one thousand nine hundred seventeen to save five dollars off a one year subscription description. So thanks for considering supporting my passion project and folks please remember this. podcast comes right out of a free screening series here in Los Angeles. So if you'd like like to attend the screening you could sign up at backstory dot net to get free invites and even bring a guest to one of my QNA screenings so sign up. And I'll see you at the movies but now without any further ado. Let's jump right onto the stage at our sold out event the Los Angeles Film School Right as I was ready to kick off the twelfth annual screenwriting nominees. QNA by introducing you to seven out of ten oscar-nominated screenwriters welcome to the twelfth. Annual screenwriting nominees a few quick banks first off this event would not be possible without the hardworking publicist working overtime today. Because the Oscar luncheon was today and three weeks was taken out of the the awards season this year so it's very condensed schedule so give it up to the publicist who have worked so hard to get talent here today and on this crazy. Easy condensed schedule we are publishing. Are Oscar issued this Friday at backstory dot net when voting opens for the Oscars stuff. So check that out as well. Of course I'd like to thank the sponsors of the podcast gas today screen craft dot Org and final draft dot com. So please make sure to give those sites of visit and there's really good coupons that we're GONNA put in the podcast as well for when this comes out so thanks again to screen craft dot Org and final draft dot com two more quick. Thanks and we're in it right. I swear we do events in podcast year round so please thank our sound. Recorders Jackson Track Antoni so in August plus all the great volunteers get you guys seated the events on on a side note. Let's give a warm welcome to super volunteer. Jessica track who this year married Jackson and they met here in line at the film school. So give it up for Jessica. You never know what happens. We only hear about the marriage is not the pregnancies folks. Also I have I would of course like to bank be amazing staff here at the Los Angeles Film School. So give it up for the film school to Marco and to Celia and of course to jared and the entire Av tag-team thanks to the LA film school and we're ready to start so so we this works the twelve year of doing this panel and it's always like just kind of statistically amazing to put together a list of writers like this because unless they all all are nominated for the exact same thing in exact same year another time. You'll never see this exact. Same Group assembled so we have writers representing seven out of the ten oscar-nominated needed screenplays. We're going to introduce them. Alphabetically by films starting with nineteen seventeen which is WGN Oscar nominated for best original screenplay. Welcome Co writer Christie Wilson in Cairns next up Joe RABBIT HAS WJ and Oscar nominated for best adapted screenplay welcome writer director takeaway t t next joker is wgn a an Oscar nominated for best adapted screenplay. Please please welcome co writer. Scott silver the next up knives out. WGN Oscar nominated for best original screenplay. Please welcome writer Director Ryan Johnson back and next up is little women. WGN Oscar nominated for best screenplay. Please welcome Greta GERWIG GERWIG and of course marriage story as Wgn Oscar nominated for best screenplay. Please welcome writer. Director Noah Baumbach and last but not least the two popes as Oscar nominated for best adapted screenplay. Please welcome writer. Anthony McCartan seal so bad at math. I'm okay it's statistics. Here's here's the story. Doria out of the ten possible Oscar. Nominations for screenwriting. Four writers tonight got their very first ever Oscar nomination that would be Christie. Take US Scott and Ryan so give it up to them for that and three. Riders are receiving their second nomination. That's Noah Greta an anthony so give it up to them on their second second nomination so on that very high note starting with Christy. I WanNa take you all off. The pretty pedestals does that. You've been on during the award season and remind folks in this room and our podcast listeners. That you're all actually just real people and that you have the same trouble writing that everyone. No one else could have writing so I wanNA know. What was your darkest moment as a writer? Either in your career or on this film when you weren't entirely sure you're going to be able to continue to get paid as a screenwriter. No pressure on Christie. Start with like a really fun question for the kids at my absolute Louis I am. I was a bartender for many years in London. Actually I love being a bartender in London because I was stronghold made writing quite difficult because writing drunk is really hard and actually getting drunkards much easier true and so that that was probably a little point but actually I look back on it fully and I wish again to drink fifty more eager all over where you getting any good pages. Sure why not. Okay okay. I'll believe in. What was your darkest day? Either on Joe Joe Rabbit or in your career where you weren't sure if the film was coming off or if you were going to get the opportunity to continue writing so the first the first day with this particular phone a it's a very difficult film too difficult for them to pitch pitch and usually people the question it in when people see the film wasn't sure you're welcome to my world so I felt the entire time and But just opening just trying to figure out how to get into the story Dorian Just having that initial self-doubt which I think plagues. I'm wondering why I even agreed to do. Excellent well we're very happy to have you by the way because I I love your movie I know people you are do as well Scott. What was your darkest moment as a writer? Either on this project project in your career where dark days pretty much very few light day. This is certainly a dark day having a talk in public you know. There's all different kinds of dark days. There's his days you think you can do it. You know what the fuck you're doing. You can't believe you're doing it or it's terrible. I've had career lows where I made a movie. That was terrible and I thought it was never gonNa work again a and so that was sort of trying to use that and sort of what I wrote next and you know it's it's always a struggle. It's always hard. You just gotTa keep getting up everyday and doing it. But I think there's like trying to think of one dark day as possible. Okay so many fair enough out of it was very lonely. Very you've just used. You're just lonely all the time. It's better to be lonely than it is to be with people I mean I hate the song writing this. I'm just taking taking notes. The writer of joker doesn't exactly like people okay. I got a little dark there. Is You try to come up with an easy way to sort of talk about these things. It's like I am Arthur and todd was the the joker so it's like how did you know the difference putting that up. You have a big surprise. The writer of the joker doesn't like people like to stay alone in his Ronin. Yeah I know Ryan Johnson's a people person but what was the tough thing you what was a tough day for you ryan either either may before brick rick ever got made or a tough day writing knives out. Well yeah getting getting started as always when you're because you're you're just trying to roll that boulder her up the never ending hill and And it just seems like there's an unbridgeable chasm in front of you and And there isn't you you you you keep doing doing your thing and and I think that's the thing I've feeling all of us would probably In terms of in terms of breaking in the same basic optimism that you keep doing in your thing and you keep developing your voice. And it'll happen. I think in terms of writing. I mean there's always a I've I find there's always a point where like the the Initial momentum momentum of the excitement for the idea has worn off and your maybe thirty pages and and you've already told too many people that that you're doing this you can't you can't stop point of no return and you just feel like you're doggedly typing words like typing yourself deeper into the grave with each horrible sentence and like yeah and so. I've heard other writers talk about that. Do you think that sometimes you'll tell people that you're working on a project specifically because you need someone that that you have to vouch to that you're going to continue on it. I know that's I mean that's a good idea to do now. I tell people because I'm genuinely he likes field like I'm on top of it and then it becomes like. Oh so when's the script going to be ready so the that's a good idea though. Start doing that Greta. Your toughest day is a writer or your toughest day on little women as a writer. Well actually as this is all unfolding. Have this desire. Desire to tell you something safe-space everywhere so you know I feel feeling all writing is just like self. It's like so much self doubt and it's like these days of excitement than like you're saying it's thirty pages in whatever and like you you know it's all these like and it's all happening in your mind or I'm awesome and then you're like I'm the worst and like that just keeps happening but okay so I'm just going to say it so today which was a beautiful day. It was this luncheon for the nominees and it was so wonderful and it was such a warm thing and everybody gets up on stage and stands there and it's such an amazing moment and I literally I went thome and I know there's a person on twitter who doesn't like me and I went on their twitter to see what terrible things they've said to me while I was having a wonderful day because I feel like my need. It is to boundless whatever gifts the universe gave me with healthy self-flagellation which I feel I do right now because I'm not writing something. which is what I do in my head so I need to externalize it? which is the Internet just in the future? Don't give those people bull any of your your space or time like like focus on writers that you respect but no one of your darkest days as a writer if you thought you were in a career ending situation or your darkest day writing marriage story the car right over here with Greta wash on. Yeah Ah going on about. And she doesn't like you either. I didn't look and then you're like getting in this sub tweets and you're like everybody hates everyone. Okay do you guys. I'm not even on twitter. It was going to stay like I know you're not know what you WanNa Name Day of writing those a chance I think I think feel similarly in that it mean every new every new one is you feel like an amateur all over again. You your your. You've never done this one and then you look at the last one in this like complete movie with a poster and actors in it and and and you're like how did that even happen happen and and And now you've got to start all over again from a blank thing and and and and it's yeah that same thing you have like. Oh this the things that get you excited about writing than are of course things you talk yourself out of once you start writing or at least talk yourself into you know this and then and then I don't have other people that everything you see somehow feels like a version of the thing. You're thinking of. Yeah you're like is. Is this what I'm doing this thing. I just saw the trailer for So yeah but but still the car ride all right. We'll we'll the car ride anthony. What was the dark day for you as a writer could be any time in your career where you thought you might not be able to continue writing or on writing the two popes? I think it was when someone told me. I don't have a career I did. I would I was a novelist before started to do this. Film thing and Britain I thought my best novel was my third novel but my second one hadn't sold very well Slightly less than the first one and I rang up to get feedback for the publisher and they said we adore. We think it's your finest work and went publishing it and I remember putting the phone down. I was living in in English country cottage and there was no heating in the seventeenth century. Little cottage and I was trying to blow some Kohl's in this little fire heat this room and and And there was a slide spot with not enough and I put it in the dam would on there and it started to smoke and I thought it's over. This is how it happened. No career and no heating now feels like this is what it looks like. Yeah it was dark dark dark day. We all got past dark days so I congratulate you on that Anthony. I'm going to start with you coming back down. I'm not sure what your answer is going to be. That's asking this question because I have no idea but I know that some people occasionally have an interesting story collaborations really important in filmmaking but for as much as you want to get your project made you sometimes have to say no to something about your project you have to disagree with somebody and not. Just be an agreeable writer. was there a moment where the power of no really helped you out on your project or your counter. Wise did it by you saying no and objecting to something. Did it caused some trouble that had to be worked out so pressure on you anthony. Okay I was was in a little island in stock and the Capelle of course you were it causes its encounter. Ruben died there it and it was cold and I was blowing on these embryos. The I was getting a phone call. Oh from Angelina Jolie who I'd never met and she wanted to be one of the pope's though she she wanted me to write a screenplay for Catherine the great of nothing and and My my girlfriend. I asked her advice. She's a psychologist. I said how do I deal with superstar and she said well. What's your plan and I said? Well I'm going to be proficient official. I'm GonNa tell her what I think's wrong with the screenplay she has and how to fix it and she said that's interesting and And I I should I. I saw the look on her face and I said what do you think I should do. And she said I think you should ask her opinion as to why she wants to do this movie and I went and now I'm not doing that. I'm professional I'M GONNA. I'm just. She will respect me more and she called me and it was her voice and and I said hi And she said so Tell me what you think and I said so. Why do you want to do this? And she spoke for an hour. I didn't say a word and and then we hung up and my agent said she's off to you so that's the opposite case. I suppose of not saying And the scripted and go anywhere and It's something that can still get made either so I think almost made a TV show out of it and stuff with them. Noah Noel Power of no some time where you had to say no and it either worked out or didn't specifically on marriage possible. Well well I try to think about something Ameristar I start to Santa previous movie. The squid and the whale. I made the When I was writing it I hadn't made a movie in eight years or something? It was also many dark days. I could have said that with my other answer. And although it didn't rival car right. Hi but I hadn't made a movie I'd made two movies sort of back to back in my twenties and then I went through good. I was reading a lot of trouble getting a movie made and I and and and so I wrote this movie and Nicer to felt like I'm putting everything I have into this movie but the titled Title Of the Movie Is Refers to exhibit at the Natural History Museum in New York which at that point no one had ever shotted and and also there's a plot point in the movie where the Walt who's played by Jesse Eisenberg claims that he wrote this pink. Floyd Song Hey you and I had both of those things in the script and going into making the movie and had no alternative plan and people would often say you know. Oh you might want a backup title if you can't get shoot because there's no ending of the movie ends at the Natural History Museum so in both those cases where things things where I just basically said I'm this is the only this has to be the movie and in both games that I just got lucky. That that that the naturalistic museum. Ziam let us not only shoot there on our budget and also that Pink Floyd was very generous. We're Dre your Oscar nominated for school in the Wales so stick to your guns wants Greta Power of no one little women. Yeah I would say the for little women for for those who've seen it I suppose it's the collapsed the space between Louisa May Alcott a person and Joe March the fictional Avatar in a way of of Louisa and where Joe March stops writing waiting and she gets married and has children and open school. Louisa May alcott obviously kept writing and kept her copyright. She never got married. She never had kids but Because her book little women sold out in two weeks she was able to renegotiate her contract. which is amazing? But I wanted to make that into one and I was sort of trying to do something. Tricky with the end and there were conversations there were conversations about the the maybe not doing that and I just kept saying I mean the truth of the matter was Louisa May alcott never wanted Joe to get married really in in little women their letters where she says. I don't want her to get married. But I'M GONNA have to do it because it's like that's what the fans want. And that's what publishers want and in every argument I had about it. I was like if I cannot give her the ending she would have wanted one hundred and fifty years later than we've made no progress. Then it's the exact same as it was in the nineteenth century and so that was something that throughout the entire process up until releasing it it was still just off. Aw It was a discussion being had every time and I just like I just kept saying no. This is the reason to do it. And I'm glad you did ryan the the the power of saying no And when you said no one knives out well I mean I am. There's like lots of little examples through the course of make. Ah I think just maybe generally speaking to that like I'm because I'm a I'm a pleaser Jeff I I like to make people happy happy and so it's really hard for me to say to say to say no and yes exactly so I I but the thing is i. I one thing that I've kind of seen and try to get better at and and kind of learned in terms of if you truly believe something and along the way in the process there are forces pushing back there are telling you the opposite and you believe it in your heart. It's not just like you should stick cup for your art thing of it though you should. I can tell you having been through a couple of movies at the end of the day when you get to the end of the process. And it's your movie that's up there on the screen and everyone's reacting to it. The only thing that matters is if what works on the screen works and if you feel you can stand behind it and you're not going to get points or credit for having pleased anybody along the way you're not gonna it's and by the way I. That's not that doesn't equate. You can do. I firmly believe you can do that without being an asshole. You can still be a collaborator and you can instill work with people. But if you at the end of the day you got It's GonNa be you alone with that movie facing the world and so you gotta remember that. And and that's right. Your name goes in the script. Your name directors the choices are yours or Scott agree complete with Ryan said. That's for sure the way to go but as a writer you don't always have the final say it's sort of what it is so I guess for me. Todd was great collaborator but todd directed the movie as well so I didn't really have the opportunity to say no. It's kind it was like todd's no whichever he wanted. Whichever way he wanted it? So as just the rider and you know all of us we have a lot of great directors up here directed the raw material. It's a different situation ration- when you're the screenwriter making those decisions and what you can actually say no you have to do this because they're like fuck off so that's a little bit different in that way. Take the power of saying no. I mean Joe Joe. Rabbit is such. It has racy material in controversial elements from the beginning. But you stuck to your guns and you took a book that had no no satire in it and you did a satirical adaptation just so and so the question is respectful enough. Have to listen to your boring but it was very easy to listen to my super long winded. Okay roundabout way of the question. I still don't understand the power of SANGO was. was there something onto on on Joe. Joe Joe Joe that you really didn't want to do you know you did. What are you talking about this? Let me talk the okay. Well I was reading this book. And she's a schoolteacher and she would the should punish me by making me read books. I've got love. Hate thing with books where she suggested this book to Caging Skies Brilliant Book about a Little Kid World War Two funds the skull living radic and and it was part of that that really resonated with me but I don't know how to do a drama because I don't that the idea of stresses me out and did not very mature so like a AH dramatic place where I have an argument with someone there. Just try and make it funny and they run away but So the only way I could really approach this thing was to add my own stuff and as I was doing doing and telling people that you're describing what you're trying to do Say Well asked about this through boy in the Hitler Youth and instantly people that Don't do for that. So rough from the beginning was just a series of me saying no to people saying no and and in having to believe that the intention is there to to to to reach a place that we are trying to. I guess you're not trying to make a comedy you're trying to make a statement and you're trying to create something that actually means something and and but the way you're going about it on the surface seems like you're taking the Piss and it's a very hard thing to to really I would. I basically just said no to pitching the film because a new out ruin it and and so I decided to write the script and the that'd be the pitch hand there and say this is what I mean. This was totally what I'm trying to do with this balanced. People have done it before me. So you know. There's a precedent but this is there is a a good intention Janie and there's you know there's a permissive actually trying to create something positive in the world and then and then yeah basically it was just a series from there and just me trying to still believe in that and I think when you're writing some you have an idea seed of something as usually a film film you want to see usually by the end of it when you finish the film. It's the last thing you WanNa Watch. But but you've got to stick their initial idea that that got you. I interested and you'll hear no in the key is to say no a lot as well to people who try to guide you in a simply. Hey thanks thanks liberty. Play Hitler will. Smith's really hot right now he'd make a great. Hey it's really about kind of also not just saying Nice. AH JUST TO BE AN ASS or just to be contrary just because you want to be an order. Just you've got to kind of ride the wave and feel it out and passer as years of me going back to New Zealand and saying not really shitty scripts here than going back. New Zealand signed. Well I'll make another one that they're in my style. It was ten years of me saying no to things here and going Bet Ford me which made me suddenly realize we'll be able to recognize my voice and then they'll come back here and say this is the film more to make and at that point went people couldn't really with me anymore. No works for Tak- right on Christie time. Were the power of no saved. You know no word higher of no. I am a people pleaser. I desperately want you to like me so much I am. Actually the best new I ever gave was the new to the project before nineteen seventeen so it was a project I really wanted to do. I had chased after. I'm not GonNa Nima or the say paramount. I'm the refuse to my rate like refused which which at the time. No I said. Parliament pictures. We all heard power rangers power all my life. I just wanted to be the pink richer. But they wouldn't let me acton and so I said no I wouldn't put your rates. They wouldn't be my and they were really rude about it and I had. I had nine hundred seventeen the bike but it was a secret. I Rueda on space or we were writing or insects new in new boat. It and the sort of just flat refused refusenik. We'll give you half your you have to television. What are you going to do and I went? Okay Bye. And then when Sam was seeking nine hundred seventeen and we were talking talking about what you do is to go to. I was like I really hope parliament. Don't get and when they didn't get I was like you dicks influence. Anyway I am. I didn't for instance give a new one that I would have loved to Karma worked in my favor right. On each of these films have really distinctive think of openings and the first ten to twenty pages of screenplay they grabbed the reader but also grabs the audience each of your openings are really distinctive and you had so many choices of where you can start with a blank page and we're going to hear about picking this really great opening for each of your films in Christie. The two guys are heroes sleeping at the tree being woken up and giving their orders and literally a scene later jumping into action and being on their way. There is no time wasted. There was there anything ever filled with as a possibility before that or was that truly truly always. You're opening the tree and the person laying down something that's bookmarks by the end of the film as well. I am yeah. We always started with the two boys waking up originally Scofield. Oh I was looking at a baby being born but then we realize it's really difficult to do that in real time. Baby birds take fucking ages to be. Aren't like a forty five minute youtube video and I was like okay. Can I can't write forty five peach shale cracking I am but it was always it was always going to be a very sort of quiet opening with the two of them just on their own very little dialogue and then slowly we would start to she'd and who the wear on the March I am. We never wanted them. Wake up and be like oh I missed my mother. Her name is that just wouldn't have been real life. I am so yeah it was always that take you know. Obviously people weren't sure what Gioja was going to be walking walking in you start with a very entertaining opening sequence. But then you get straight into a comedic version of indoctrination of Hitler youth. Talk about finding that as your the opening because it was a perfect way to start and the different characters speaking the absurdity of being a part of Hillary Youth and how great it was Rura we really set the tone for the rest of the movie and gave people the right to laugh. Yeah it's a film that I think most people Including myself would watch. And there's a certain in period where you kind of looking around and seeing if you've got permission to laugh and whether or not to enter into this world The there was like a few few versions of the script. Maybe I'll just delay this immeasurably Hitler coming in each people into it eventually. We realize there's no way there's no comfortable way to do it. So we measured right at the beginning and just say this is what we're we're doing this is it. This is what this sorry. That's good it's good to get out of the way so you don't have to walk twenty minutes Tennyson into it now but it was really just about not being not being unapologetic about it. And and and look I think it's it's a it's a situation where it's The version of Hitler's does not him. It's you know so. buffoons idiot. Played by incredibly good looking actor. He's yes there's a delicate in a row. Tiny that was was that we struggled with the the first twenty minutes of the film. And even though it's very it's pretty much exactly how it was written. But even the edit on I'm just GONNA be tested at a lot and we tested it with you ask audiences what they are and yeah and I really liked to kind of disguising just just fall on just go straight into it and and you know with the Beatles and music selection was perfect and Yeah this is what uh-huh doing good Scott you know. You're almost defying expectations because Arthur's putting on the job or make up and then he's a client on the street and and you see him getting beat up and bullied and it's it's it's a really good way to kind of draw us into the world and make us empathetic him. was that always. You're beginning and how did you get that. That was that was not a scripted. They sort of changed editing for that first shot that was actually later on but I think that opening sequence you. Sometimes you find sort of something you don't expect it. We went through a lot of drafts of the script. At some point. We're closer to the joker and there was like a chemical plant like somehow we were GonNa try to stick close to sort of the myth of sort of what created joker but it was sort of like a a leg with chemicals in it. That was sort of a discharged from some chemical plant and in writing the scene. Initially the the Zazi beats character. They had more orval relationship and he slipped and fell in writing it and sometimes it rarely happens but sometimes there's an accident you go. Oh him getting back out he would slip and fall. And when when I wrote TAT and Todd and I wrote that it was like it was like Oh. That's the movie like that's the character like it's actually like a silent movies like slapsticks. We went back and sort of change. Change the whole opening and sort of change a lot of character and a lot of the slapstick stuff got cut out of the movie. There's still there's still some some of it in there but for that sequence sort of where they have the chase as it was supposed to be much more of a chaplain character. That's when we went back and added all bat and just gave a dimension physicality the character and that was felt was important to get at the beginning of the movie Ryan for a murder mystery. Movie doesn't start with the murder it. It starts with Marta Waking Up and you see her in her home life and then it allows us to be fish out of water kind of the way she is so we presume at the beginning of the film as then we meet the rest of the family through a sequence that she's not involved with at all so you're changing perspective. There's a lot going on in the first five or ten minutes including the dogs running through the camera. How did you find your your starting point for for knives out? Well Yeah we start with like little musical hit and like a sequence where you discover the body and that was necessary can tell the audience okay. There's a murder here because basically the next six thirty minutes as people sitting in chairs answering questions and it was structurally it was actually kind of it was tough especially on the page. It's because you're introducing using all these characters and it's a lot of flashbacks with a lot of slug lines. It was tough to read and so especially at the script phase like that I thirty pages kind of a slog and so it was. It was difficult. I kept trying to make this as brief as possible. There's a point when the plot really kicks in you know about like. Yeah it's it's like twenty five pages or something where I I gave belong to the lion saying character the detective. You've been very patient. My friend and is really me talking to the audience. Saying I know we've been listening to be all in chairs for a while. We're about to kick it into gear here but that's also one of those things where you just kind of you on one hand you do want to the you know. Throw the car in gear as quickly as possible on the other hand when I sit down for a film I feel like there is. You can take advantage of this as a writer. There's a grace period the audience inskip you where they're acclimating. There's a certain point where they're like. Okay let's is this going to kick in some but I think that opening when they are like giving it the benefit of the doubt and saying okay. Where are you taking me? I think that's something that If you need to you can you can use Greta. You did a great opening with your heroine. A writer selling a story and you then are infusing. Your non linear structure. You're cutting to Paris and you're letting US know about the world that you're creating and how it's going to be different from a book. It's actually a lot of heavy lifting at the beginning because it takes the audience a little while to orient themselves and realize what kind of movie they're going to be in. What were the challenges for you of starting there as you could have started anywhere a little women well with the with the opening scene which is between Joe and her publisher? I I want. I mean. It's almost actually word for word. Lifted from the book which was one of the many gifts of Louisa. May alcott's writing was that I it felt like it could have been written. Yesterday is the girls trying to sell a story and she's pretending like it's not hers and he's saying it's too long and morals don't sell nowadays our days and here are the things you have to cut. And that's something I think anyone who's a writer WHO's trying to get their word on out of themselves and into the world understands stands and then I I wanted I wanted to sort of start there also because it allowed me to kind of subtly start this self reflexive thing happening that goes on throughout the movie. which is that you know? He says to her if your main characters girl make sure she's married or dead by the end and and that's constrain of nineteenth century fiction about women and then I also wanted the audience to suddenly be like. Oh right married or dead those those are the rules and so then when you go when if you've got married her dead and then you start beating the sisters you're like that's the one of the two fates befall them and I wanted to start just sort of in the middle of everything that I wanted to meet them as adults because they think are kind of collective memory of what little women is has to do with the childhood section that is like this cozy around the fire Christmas time with father other and with letter from father and I just wanted to kind of plunged straight into each of their separate lives because to me what was interesting was this is walking with the younger self in this kind of conversation with the younger self but Y- that I seen that grounded in authorship and then meeting them all is adults adults allowed me to explore what I was interested in in the book and also I do think what you were saying about like. There is a grace period. I mean I love at the beginning of movies when I'm sitting there and just things are starting like I love feeling like we just cut into the middle of life and it doesn't and it's making no no allowances to me. It's like it's going keep up and I think I like creating stuff like that because I love that feeling of like. Oh what's happening and this is happening and that's happening and they think When I can genuinely get that feeling in a movie theater it's exciting so iro maybe you just make the kind stuff you like? No marriage story ain't movie about acute wedding and people have a sense of what it's going to be going in. They know it's about divorce but so. Do you defied expectations with your fantastic opening in which Charlie and Nicole are recounting all the good things about each other and you see it in flashbacks and it's such an interesting place to start for. The movie goes and especially since we know that Nicole's aren't even really read their kind of just privately shared with the audience. You you defy expectations. How did you come up with that opening? which I think is fantastic when I did arrive at the opening what I what I thought could work about it as to what you said it in a sense it creates we sort of set up tone and and and then in fact pull the rug out from under the US you discover? These are things that they've written that's that our interior and they're gonNA mediation and that the marriage is already over after after we've just been sort of really inside their marriage for seven minutes or so but the movie. Actually I actually think the movie is also about all those little moments. Those don't stop and it is a love story and it's just as much about marriages is about divorce so I felt it was an opportunity to both in in some ways set. Set up a false expectation but then actually carry out a movie that actually does live up to those expectations because it is those little moments continue and or what are ultimately going to bring the two of them together in this new situation at the end of the movie to think. Greta was saying. I think it's really true for with with for writers and and and and directors to but starting with page is you have this amazing opportunity at the beginning of your movie to do anything and it's it is a great. I mean it's a great responsibility but it's also it really is an opportunity and it's always we've all seen movies like Oh okay but you know you can. You can do anything and and I find find in writing sometimes. It's some often in discovering the opening and and and I'm talking around because I don't remember when I came up with this opening running. I think the sense. I think I did it for myself because I knew the movie was going. To begin. At the end of the marriage. I wanted to kind of give myself self the opportunity to get inside the marriage sort of realized in doing that that it was that that maybe it actually was the movie but It is. I don't know I think it's something that shouldn't be taken lightly you know. I think there's so many like screen writing like this notion of like typing fade in at the beginning of your script but in a way that I don't know I feel like sometimes I don't do that because I feel like like let's do something else you know. Maybe we don't Fade in Greenwich Point. Maybe we just appear maybe we you know and there's so many you have all of cinema all the tools of cinema to us news at that moment and introduced to the audience and it is. It's thrilling but it's also incredibly daunting because you keep your because because you actually have you can do. Anything is equally daunting as it is an opportunity. And you're sitting here because you'll had great openings. Anthony we we meet Jorges the future Pope Francis. He's giving a speech about being personally involved in the church and then he gets notified that he needs to go to Rome for a papal election. And you setup who he might be running against and who is going to reconcile with for the rest the movie. You could have started anywhere for this. How did you come up with that? Very thematic opening for the two popes shack. I'd all right so you guys never travel. I get just working in your little Garrett's Anyway what was the question opening. You're opening two popes. Oh Yeah you've got the wrong thing to hopes actually opens with them with him in the Vatican and he's trying to order order of ordering a fight to Lampedusa and the The something I don't know there's a strange rule of physics that if a polk does it it's funny if he eats a pizza or it's just inherently funny. It's a non to the future but you didn't flash back to her. Hey we do. Is that the bit that interest humour. No I loved them. Both the reason for the choice. I'M GONNA sticky to stick please you lease adhere to your credit question. it. It was essential that something that would be presumed to be a very heavy subject. Headed a bit of liberty at the beginning but it was also the fact that that when you're dealing with an iconic True person that the trickiest thing in the the biggest order of the day is is to humanize them and humor is humanizing. And and the small little details the banal details and the interests of even individual often reveal the interests And I'm always on the lookout for that especially if I'm doing anything to buy pick realm. I'm like a truffle. How looking the little detail? which really gives you a sense of that in a person so I wanted to just start with this guy at the seventy five he gets the most impossible job opened the world? He's in spiritual charge. One point. Four billion people any find wakes up in a palace and how do you then start that life life and he wants to get Wifi. GOING ANY COM- so so it and humor is important all my work because I guess my view of life is that life was twenty percent humor. Sixty percent drama and twenty percent pure agony and And so for a movie eighty to have any claim to be realistic. It should have humor. You're also using the music opera in your first ten minutes no I. I really disliked movies. That don't have any at all. It's fine but I think they fulfilled their claim to be lifelike We're going to start with you coming back. This is just a lightning round question. It'll go really fast There are certain times where writers just can't rights and you got to procrastinate. What is your favorite form of procrastination Eh? Starting with Anthony Need your favorite form of procrastination What do I do I don't know I I played tennis. That's all right to this morning's in it you know I go to therapy twice a week. That procrastinating because it actually sometimes helps with the writing but but I l. a.. Put a a walk there and I'll walk back all right talk about a mile and a half okay. Greta your favorite form of procrastination God so many so many I mean ideally something. That looks vaguely like work. Like like league. Rewriting Ming wing screenplay but longhand does. That does anything. I mean literally stuff like that but yeah I mean everything from like. Ah like deciding being like oh before I you know that sequencing adaptation is correct. Where he's like? I'm going to eat the MUFFIN. Alawite L. Y.. Needs do you know what I'm talking about adaptation. That's right that's what it's like. No I like for some reason. I'm like Oh you know what I should really start doing is start like a running practice. That's I'll see what's a running practice. Funny you should ask interested Eh. It's not just like I run. I have a running breakfast is in all download all these different apps that will help me begin to run and then explore the interfaces of each one never go run and I have a running practice but I I learned that we're GonNa have lake so many running apps perfect Ryan these are also good mine's fucking twitter and now specifically it's going to be finding Greenwich trolls inflaming them. I'M GONNA so it's GonNa be years before the next Benoi Block. Mr Apologizing. Defend her on her on twitter. I like it. I'm going to go with running practice running practice running back no books no movies no all right every. Everything's thinks procrastination. I Never WanNa right. So Tak- nothing more dread red and sorrow nowadays than opening electoral and looking at a blank page. I used to be so into it. Lisa love it is now just said sadness is all I mean. I'll say oh. This character needs a Transam I need to look at Transam ebbs and then spend the rest of the day Sicheng transplants. Then or by one Dan all the time looking for mechanics to fix the transam and that becomes a whole new thing. And that's there's the pattern that works Christie. I do the running by doing download. The APP Aiguo in in like thinking. I can't run and then I run into my block. Oh can I go. Why is this so hard and then I go back to my house? I do the bullshit research. Sometimes I'll spend a whole depicting name in my favorites. You know that weeks for the worst one in the most enduring one is I clean my house but I clean my house and then I go. What would it be like? If I rearranged everything in my what would it be like if I turned on my boots through the pages in the Spain's and so I was set and do insane and things and people will come to my house and be like what is wrong with you and I'm like I'm I'm in the first active this new script and it'll be fine but I just need to help me move this French folks. I'm cutting in really quick to remind you that issue. 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So thanks in advanced for supporting our sponsors at final draft DOT COM and screen craft dot org. But now let's jump right back on the stage to hear more of my chat with Christi Taika Scott Got Ryan. Greta Noah and Anthony about their amazing oscar-nominated screenplays Christie. Starting with going back down. You know one of the reasons that I think each of your screenplays. He's been nominated because they're very personal to you. What's something that's a very personal moment in your script that truly only you could have written although you coated with Sam something that's really personal? The unit means something to you and your life I am. The Cherry Blossoms seen the cherry blossom where I grew up. My whole garden was covered in the grand use to swe. We are violently vote. The blossoms that were instantly everywhere and it was such a beautiful thing that was just a constant annoyance in her life but when when some of the trees he's died she was heartbroken. And so for me. That seems my grandmother when bleak in an Scofield talk about. Let's see and I only think of my grandmother. Take a well. Ah Say the Dinner Table Win. Been Scarlet Puts the Ashley Face. And here's the scene between often your husband which she something? My mother never did but she was a single mother and I mean really. The foam is a is a lovely to to Salem's and models in general Because because I mean it's hot enough raising a kid By yourself I'm from my mother in the eighties. It was. It was very difficult but I I was trying trying to get my head around what it would be like for someone who It was Raising a kid during the war whose child is. Potentially you know brainwashed brainwashed induction into a point of being Irreversibly changed the for the West. And so Yeah so that's a very business in that You know she. I guess when I became apparent I started realizing the sacrifices that she had made and and and and it was great this mostly B.. Scott I think anytime that in the beginning of the movie that Arthur feels awkward or uncomfortable or different and so I think whether he's on the scene in the elevator with Zazi beat says he's trying to connection should were there is sort of. I'll often all the time feel awkward and sort of whatever so I think that sort of was easy for me to access in right those kind of things and it was also great moment when you give someone the card it on the bus to show why he was laughing again to try and fit in a little and not be looked at as an other right. It's just like a freak or different. Yeah so but those scenes were where or I could easily understand how that felt Ryan. You've ordered a lot of people. What was the most personal moment for you and dives out took my joke right it? Nothing no I grew up in I grew up in the big family and my family is is nothing. Like the family and knives out there. Wonderful wonderful but The yeah but they but if you grew up in a big family just the family dynamics of everyone screaming hr and everyone loves each other and it. There's something about I'm never i. I never yell more and never more comfortable in than I am blue surrounded by a lot of my family and I putting that into the movie I think something what was the most personal elementary moment for you in in little women. Well because I mean because I grew up loving little women and it meant so much to who I became. There's so much like indistinguishable from who who I am in the movie. But I I would say almost every single line in the film is either directly from the text just from a letter from another book she read or wrote or from like a journal or something or its foot notable. I can tell you why it's there like I can say exactly exactly this is this is the reference that made me know that I could. I could have this line except for. There's one line that something sadly I said into one of my friends who is getting married. I it's it's a scene where Joe and meg are talking before her wedding and she says Joe says to make like what do you want to marry him and she's like because I love him and then she says you will be bored of him in two years and we will be interesting forever and I said that search was was the prophecy correct. Was Your Friend Board in two years. Not or wow. That's that's me. That's all right that's my contribution. Contribution thank you. Thank you for sharing did line. No that's why in the book but I feel like that's it's not in the book but I feel like it's justifiable viable outside of myself. which is that? Everyone in. The book doesn't up married her dead and is a nineteen hundred convention for women and fiction. So I was like. That's it's an extrapolation but it's not just purely me. This is the line that I'm like. I just faked it know. What was the most personal moment for you in marriage story something something that is just a scene or an instance? I know that we're getting into I spend all day explaining why it's not autobiographical. They get turning the convention around for me. Some people have picked probably so little moment going on here. We just speak against yourself I. I'm going to press pause Anthony. You answer I give no a second his. I'll give you his answer. Ah which is better than mine. The there's a scene in the movie where there or well. They're they're in mediation with their lawyers and and then they stopped order lunch and his difficulty. I Adam drivers character. Charlie's given the menu has had trouble Coming up with what he wants to order and Greta not had this experience. I often ask her what I should order. Uh I was going to say also. The opening of the movie is in Park. Slope Brag grew up in the one of the first shots scarlets character comes around. She's approached by. ASPCA person but the actually it's a store it's an empty storefront as you see it in the movie but it was the movie theater that used to be the movie theater that I grew up going to as a kid in park slope which was the plaza twin theatre and became an American apparel. I think and then and then and then now now now it's empty but but that was very personal to me. Put it there because is i. I thought of it for myself. It's sort of so many movies that I saw there. That are part of why I wanted to make movies. Thanks for letting US know that. Anthony Ain't what was a personal moment for you. Something you have written in two popes I think the whole movie's pretty personal in a way Yeah I was by share accident of birth. I you know I was raised in this unusual religious unusual religion Catholicism and it is bison teen medieval I'm one of eight children and probably eight children more cautious than interrupters and and I was my mother was intensely the religious and She made me become an altar. Boy Did make me. I've you know I ended up spending many years being up there on the altar with this this priest during these rituals of strange rituals of cleansings of sins and forgiveness of sins and so forth and And it was received deeped wisdom and I rejected it for many years. You know when the age of reason finally dawned on me at thirty two You Know I. I started to revisit revisit. The idea in my mind but I never thought Catholicism would would spring up in my work pretty much rejected it But by X. Pure accident I was in pg he just square and and And Pope Francis happened to be giving an open air mass and it all sort of came flooding back. All that history led read all that You know almost in the in in the mother's milk all these belief systems and so forth and I'd never really tried to make sense them so the hold movie is key as a as an attempt to make sense of that. I think another one of the reasons that you're all sitting here is because of your memorable endings so anthony. We're going to start with you and come back this way. You could have ended a gazillion different ways. But you chose this for your climax especially in leading to your ending and Dino May You could live in a bunch of different ways but you chose to have two different confessions. And then eventually a reconciliation reunion at the World Cup. How did you kind of follow that path of how how things were GONNA wind down for the two? Popes will the working title for this. When I began was the confession so I knew it would be two people two flawed individuals who had to come to terms with the flawed nece And also find a common ground between between them and So I knew it would be. It would invoke to confessions. I wrote Francis Confession fishing flashbacks and so forth. I came to Bennet. It's confession was prepared to ride a huge sort of Section in the script we would revisit. The German benedict antics life and It's I started to list all the failings and iniquities of this of this institution and and the list became so long that I thought no this will absolutely It'll capsized the entire movie and and then I remembered but the Germany and Argentina had played football in the World Cup and I thought of it as a metaphor for this competition between the two of them. And I remember googling in hoping that the timing of that Will Cup with shortly after Francis became pope and indeed it was. It was a year after. I thought that's my that's my ending. They'll they'll sit down and have some pizza and watch World Cup game as popes do No you could have ended this in a million different ways but after kind of the legal maneuvering section is over over. We we see Charlie singing and then we see a kind of rejoining of the family at a at a at a pickup and drop off and and I'm just curious how that ending materialized for you and and what other ending moments. You might have toyed with well. The movie was always about two peoples people's not only surviving but kind of coming together after going through this sort of experience and starting has I mean you look a marriage or you say a couple of marriage a family. It's all singular or the way we describe it but then divorced by design creates too. So it's this breaking up of one thing into two units and so the movie is about how how in you know. In the case of a child three. Somebody described it as an possible math equation. And so I I I always saw it as been up that they were going. They had to. They had to come out the other side of this and had to find a way to go forward and I had this image from the beginning beginning which of her of his shoe being on tight and and and tying it for them and so so I I really in some ways wrote the movie to try to arrive at that ending. I didn't know where it was going to fall or what the circumstances are going to be the it would fall another Halloween which also shows us that time has passed so you come up with all these things as you're working and and The finding but I did have this sort of shoe tying thing as a as a as as a place of arrival and was Charlie Song an early idea as well. Yeah singing the entire song way does okay yeah. That was something that came from. My relationship with Adam driver was was we had been talked. We talked about company. I mean because actually that song. The song isn't the end of the movie. It's there's there's a bit after that But but I saw I also because the movie is also about pairing and going back between the two of them in in about perspective about and she has a very long She is a monologue. I love earlier in the movie with Nora Lawrence Character which I felt that new way Charlie song sort of his his sort of Invisible response to that monologue. In both cases they're kind of You know it's shows where they are at different points in the movie. She's she's arriving at a place earlier in the movie and it takes him longer to get there. They find it in different ways but I saw that you know to to use a song also to use the song the way it is used in musicals which is as as story and character so that characters in a different place at the end of the song then he is at the beginning. And you know had that sort of opportunity to do it if I I really it was just I wanted to have Adam. Sing being alive And I if I had shoehorned into this movie I would have done it in another movie and it it it working for this one Greta. You kind of jumped on it a little earlier but there's a lot going on at the ending you have a very Meta moment about your style and tone changes. When Joe finally agrees to this marriage it almost becomes like a has a ROM com element where everybody's giddy suddenly to tell us about the the challenge of piecing together the sending and then the very beautiful final moments of seeing the book published? Well I mean I definitely wanted to do the the the ending from the book and the ending from the book it is I mean she does is it. The chapter is called under the umbrella and so would it became. Because it's a movie. Obviously it's it became like a movie within a movie and I got to do this big. You know. SORT OF HEIGHTENED ROM com thing like we're gonna go chase after him in the carriage and there's rain and there's you know and and I sort of wanted all the signifier as I could pile on about what that is like like I had Alexandra tiffany in the score. CYMBAL crashes and I had lake thunderclaps because league fuck it. It's like this is like and my goal with the ending was not to stand outside of it as a scold and say why do you want that I get it I go to movies I want. I want the the hero hero and heroine to kiss but I also don't know why I want that exactly I do so. I think it's it's me starting waiting to break apart. This kind of difference between what she wrote and what she would have rather written and then what her life was and I think I mean ideally what I wanted to get to was in a way to do what I wanted you to feel emotionally. The goal was that the last the last shot of the movie is her getting to hold up book. And I wanted that to feel like the thing you didn't no you needed to see that. Ordinarily emotionally the most satisfying moment is when you know the hero and the heroine kiss and the right people are together and I wanted that emotional moment to be with her in the book so that you realize it's not a it's not a love story between a girl and a boy it's love story story between a girl and her book and it's that internal made external and I think that I I wanted to intercut with the actual ending of the book. which is this for the people who knew the book? I was like great. You'll know that this is correct. And the people who don't this is just Gobbledegook. I don't know no but but it's you know. It is like this this day at her school that she started with Friedrich and it's Mummies birthday they like this Glorious Day and And I felt like I wanted to honor what she decided to do with the fiction and then I wanted to give the the story that was emotionally impactful for me. which was the receiving of the of the thing there was inside has been made outside? It was a beautiful ending. A Ryan you have so much going on your final scene. It's a who done it so of course everybody's been waiting the whole movie to find out what's going on you have and Marta kind of arguing with ransom in the room. You've done this beautiful setup that only you could pull off. Its execution dependent that. Marta will vomit if she tells ally and in the wrong hands. It might not have worked but so we also know that there could be a ticking clock. And we're we're reading her for signs signs as to whether or not she's going to throw up. There's so much going on. Tell us about constructing that ending for your movie and then the final moment of the my house my Rules Cup will how much time got settle in mother. I think just a very quick. I promise the but the I mean to me really the you know. A lot of the structure of the movie is kind of Recognizing I think this is something that I'm huge Agatha Christie Fan. I think this is something that Christie knew is that ultimately who done it is at least interesting part of a who done it and ultimately every successful who done that works first and foremost as a narrative and as a satisfying story and so really the minimum for example. That was because our we've effectively. Just I mean it's trope it's a trope. I love the detective lane. The whole thing out out effectively though screenwriting. We've just watched our protagonists. Sit Passively for twenty minutes while another character explains the entire story so I needed an active moment where she won where she did something active to beat ransom and earned this basically and So information ultimately they like the structure of the whole thing leads to the final moment with her on the balcony and the family down. There I mean that to me is like that's the thing rise like that has to be the thing that's truly satisfying satisfying for the audience. Otherwise none of it will work and you know. Maybe you'll guess who did it and maybe you won't but ultimately has to work first and foremost As a story it was a fantastic ending. Seventy so which ending do you want. I WANNA fuck it ended. Well actually actually Scott briefly tell us what some of the other endings might have been but at at the same time. You're packing a lot into your into your. Having Arthur. Become the joker and kill Murray on his talk show but the decision was sort of that last seen in Arkham what sort of the With the social worker or the doctor because initially we thought the biggest controversy of the movie was going to be at joker had an origin and that people are going to freak the fuck out over that what the ended up freaking the fuck out about so you know. There was a lot of concern from everybody from todd myself to the studio to DC. Because there's this idea there's actually joker does have origins and other comic books. I don't want to talk too much about comic books but that But he doesn't have an origin jet and so we were like. Oh my God. We have an origin so we wanted to come up with the scene at the end that we added and then ended up sort of having a mirror scene at the beginning. We're sort of you have an idea that there's a plausible deniability that none of this happened that it was all just a mental patient teller story that way we can go well. Joker still doesn't have an origin. So that's really sort of what we tacked on at the end with our come with Arkham. Yeah so we can say well maybe never happened And then people didn't seem that upset about the origin. Part were the discussions like about killing Murray. And and the the death of Bruce Wayne's parents filtering into that ending during the riots. I don't have an answer. I don't take take it was It was all there was there was certainly a concern and a lot of discussions about the violence of the movie less. So about sort of killing Bruce Wayne's parents because in the comics they die. It's seven hundred endings. Is there any other impossible to the movie. Like the movie ends ends on the with with him on the car and then it ends again. It has a Lotta endings returned to the king tribute get Tak- so this could have ended a million in different ways. Obviously you had a book to guide you as well but here you have your your. You have your battle because you owe could've ended a million different ways tasted in my vision could've gone anyway but I say well you. Essentially it was the battle for the city and how Joe Survives it and it is able to realize that now that the Nazis have effectively been removed. He has the courage to tell Hitler to fuck off. And then he of course goes from there and it decides to get outside and starts dancing. I mean it's it's it's a lot going on for an ending at how to call US AK so for those of you haven't seen it spoil it the Nazis lose the end of my vision. We're trying to eliminate them here. Give us tire. Yeah but the in the book actually goes the movie is probably like half of the book the book sin continues. Where you going? This is GonNa get so interesting then. This is good. You came just to hear this. Wow respects respects What happens the rich was As you were saying it was only has the furniture and make it fucking can bury. It was only half the book. Take getting back on trial. Back on. Track goes back now. Okay okay the book the book after the war the book actually continues darkly very badly. He continues to lie about the Germans winning winning the war for many years and only keeps her on the wall. You get stuck. That's that nobody would've seen that film but I just love. The idea of of them is vision of of helping escape. Just leave the the last For his represented Nazi Germany. This entire time. which is the house and going outside and and it was imported the thing for me to make the film for a very contemporary in terms of the unknowns? Smoke like that and in those days very continue dialogue the music as well and the point was to try and make it feel like. This can't be happening now kind of and but also you know that feels good feel relevant and relatable to to to us here and now because of the attitude about films nowadays is obviously we get we. We know you don't get it because we doomed as a species to repeat mistakes. So yes that was want to indicate I mean the brilliance of your ending. Is this beautiful message of tolerance and to people who were completely opposed are able to get outside and dance by the which I thought was a fantastic message and throw in some Bowie Christie. The interesting thing about nine hundred seventeen gene is that he's on a mission the whole movie to deliver these orders. You set up very smartly. There could be trouble in which the orders might not be followed but very smart thank you yes yes but interesting is that is that essentially once the orders have been delivered deflates because the mission is over and he's now oh again a soldier looking for new purpose and rather than ending on that moment and having some victory lab where people are cheering. You know that he stopped him from going over which he winds up late. Thanks do you guys. I know I know you have a really great scene where he meets Blake's brother and it's it's a it's a great way to in the movie. Because essentially he at least completed the personal part of the mission to save Blake's brother along with his fellow countrymen talk about constructing that ending with Sam. I mean to be honest with you. The most important part you're ending to me is the scene with bleach brother. The fact that he delivers the message the fact he's the stops the attack from going any further is obviously important but it's not ultimately satisfying the world war one was ultimately satisfying spoiler. I am and so we had a duty to history to kind of not paint this as a happy and it could be Hollywood. Would ending. Couldn't get there. They both couldn't survive. Couldn't make it and stop this attack so we had to serve duty to reality but ultimately the only thing that really matters is that he gets to Blake's brother and I remember in the treatment and some I worked together. There was just one bullet point it was like he gets some links. Br He finds Blake's brother they and then when it came to writing casino is like Oh my God how do you then it has so much we on it. You have to stick the landing and you've had people for one hundred seven minutes at this point can of late constantly with these people and it's highly you in that moment. Give someone something. You'd have to tell them. This terrible news brother stayed behind you. Give them something that is is like some flicker of humanity about them and so I really loved in. That scene is where you learn. SCOFIELD's name rely on his Christian name is will and to me either. Having knowing knowing leaks first name and Scofield's I knew in that moment was we stuck that London. Everything was bill on that and what I love about the film. Is that the the two main things you learn about the lead character. His first name in the fight as a family earned the last minute because ultimately you don't need them to want him to survive the the can of trials yes to go through. I think you need them at the very end to make him feel like a real person who you want to survive the war so it was quite a tricky landing to stick I am it was helpful. To have genius amend as their. He's useful for that kind of stuff. I know that Sam because you told me in the interview for the magazine Sam also tasked you with giving direction of reason. He's into every single person in the hospital but he walks through by the end of that scene. So I I know there was a warning on the morning. He was like. Oh you know these like four hundred extras could you Right dialogue for all of them is like when you need it for like next week. And he's like twenty six minutes from now. Oh sure yeah. Yeah it's crazy. I two last lightning questions because we started the would rhubarb rhubarb sergeants health. How uh-huh good wound two two quick questions? Because I know we sort of delayed so just the first thing that comes to mind telling people a place that you go for inspiration. It could be a book it. It could be a song it'd be a movie Christie starting with you and going down the line. Just a favorite place to go. It gets you to your graphically no sure sure but something that you turn to for inspiration. I am to feed your creativity. Jared okay music any any particular favorite albums albums that you always listen to you right or something like that not okay Scott Music music books books. Aren't Greta paintings. Thanks paintings we live in New York. I like going to the Mat and wandering around. It makes me think of to be totally honest. It makes me think of like what can you put in a frame like what can be as static thing and I mean. This is anti flute. And but also like I think when you're working on a script it's what makes completeness US looking at a painting and being like with that's complete but why I don't know that's what I'm doing in the met Greta. Do you also go through art books. Sometimes sometimes or surf around to different museums are looking at paintings. Okay so I don't i. I find it confusing what I'm supposed to be getting. I'm from the art book that Makes Sense. That's perfect. I mean no sit. There's a power to sing. It live in person rather than on a computer screen as I am here painting sixty Change Change Mine from music to painting on. Thank you You just trudge the paintings. That's where Noah will grant it comes back home and describes what what she sees outside world paintings and also life on the street and which I can see from the window as she paints it as he will she she tells it's the story and relationships not unlike the Joe Joe Rabbit situation. Yeah me too much yet to go out dancing so yeah ah film is to just lots of paintings just twenty four paintings a second just an ad the rectangle that's been that's been my thing. Anthony where do you like to turn to for inspiration when I go to a small cottage in heavy all right a hold on hold on drop the MIC. I mean that is a good job the Mike but I mean. Ask this question because I know I into cottages good but but this one. I've asked us. This is now the twelfth time. I've asked this question I've asked it every year for the last twelve years you could take the fifth. You don't have to answer sir. You could be silly an outrageous or as a fan of these fantastically oscar-nominated films. You could choose something that you care about. It's it's well known that writers are hired as writers in Hollywood. If you anthony were hired to rewrite any of these other oscar-nominated screenplays. What is a scene or a moment that you would add not something to your own you can be silly you can take the fifth or you could really talk about that? You wish was there Freshman on Anthony. We've had some really good years. Well we all want to be in a picture together after we asked yes you will. Do you make a serious question how I think I could improve one of these not improve improve improve something you as a fan. If you were given a rewrite contact with the person bits something you cannot not an improvement just the change. Would yeah a chance you as a writer with throwing the scene you wish was in the movie a scene you think would be fun to see where you can take the fifth if you think I offended but my brain rain is blank on all right all right you jump back anytime. No I will take the fifth I hi Greta. You're going to be an AD. In what would add in knives out. Did improve proved things in marriage story. So she already did same for no little women in read. What would you change? The joker change enjoyed great. I mean I mean I don't know in general. I like tap dancing. But does it fit in these movies. I don't I don't mean jokers dancing on the staircase seventeen. They would not let me put my done with trench warfare. I don't know enough. No I mean I mean in general roll tap dancing I like it. I wish it was more movies. I mean I guess Joaquin Does Danza and he could have worn to apple juice. It's Ryan that was based on a tap dancing steps in general general which I love. That's what I thought didn't do them. Ryan Third Pope motherfucker. That's what I'm talking about. I could write. I'd watch that. I could barely write my script. I don't think anybody I I wish I could make my script better. Okay so I could make these. They all got nominated Academy Award. Fuck whatever you what's better than that. It's not a criticism. Just something you might have wanted as a fan of your they take nobody miniature woman miniature. Yes I like it this big this big the surviving in the attic of a House World War Two and the pope's house and and they've got a message to deliver within two hours and lots of walking down the rafters at the house trying to get this message and eventually encounter clown contemporary and they have have to kill them with contemporary dance. whodunit with which one of the Ministry Women Kill Them? And that's how that's this is exactly why I asked the question Kristie last on you and I mean the fifth or I would change all the lead character's names to mining it just for fun I think it'd be good all the character names. All right cool. Look your scripts have inspired the world. They've inspired me. It means so much that you guys each came down here and gals of course and spent time hanging out with us. Let's give it up again for the twelve th annual screenwriting nominees and that's how the QNA went down special. Thanks thanks again to Christie Wilson. 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Greta Gerwig in Vogue, Hugh Grant's Brexit Thoughts, and a Theory About Architectural Digest | Jam Session

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Greta Gerwig in Vogue, Hugh Grant's Brexit Thoughts, and a Theory About Architectural Digest | Jam Session

"Hey It's Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network. As the year comes to a close our staff is writing about our favorite sports moments of two thousand nineteen. Jason Concepcion explains the year ten pieces of pop culture and we break down the last ten years of the Marvel Universe also ahead of the New Star Wars movie coming out next week. The staff's staffs discussing baby Yoda rise skywalker. Romances and what the resistance will do if they win. You can check this all out on the DOT com. Welcome to jam session. I'm Juliet let man. I haven't managed heavens. What wonderful Tuesday to wake up this Tuesday to Brad Pitt Q.? And A. Markazi alias. We'll discuss that. Also Hugh Grant on the Anti Brexit storylines. I guess it's our way of putting it. Currently in Europe and the UK architectural digest check in and are wishing for the week but first. Let's talk about about the vote covers and specifically the Greg Profile. Yes there are four VO covers for. I believe it's January because magazine still makes them so and it's loosely around a theme of Motherhood Though. I think my understanding is that it's for women who happened to be or about to be mothers who agreed to be photographed with their children right. So you've got Stella McCartney K.. And her four children on the cover. Who who's the father children? His name is Alastair and remember as long yeah. I think that he is if I had to guess. I would say he's galleries but it really. It could be anything cool guy okay. They've been married for a long time. I looked at pictures of their home in the country. It seems quite nice. I have hard no interest in selling McCartney okay. I like her clothes and the piece which I did read even now. I can't remember her husband's last name. I'm just going to go with. The bit is about how her company has been a leader in sustainability. And and figuring. You know about that. It's sure but honestly I think she They're doing good things I mean. It's still like a multibillion dollar are enterprise that has ultimately probably wasteful creates unhealthy images of ourselves. But it's nonetheless at least she's trying to. I don't know I like fashion I. They should try the next cover. Is Ashley Graham. Who is expecting right? That's great she looks very beautiful. It's a it's a lovely. She's wearing like a gold dress. But is doing the Demi Moore pose right you know what's that really popular Ashley Grams. PODCAST which you can also watch on Youtube. I have watched clips of her and end. Kim Kardashian Youtube it gets hundreds of thousands of US actually grams really famous. I kind of can't comprehend her fame because it doesn't really make. Its way into my sphere very often. But she's like famous. I think that's okay nice thing. Is that in this age. There are different famous people for different types of people. Yeah no one's Monster famous but a lot of people are very famous to the people. They're famous to one thing. I like about her from afar. Is I feel a lot of like body. positivity and like plus size models really can barely size and I find that really irritating is fourteen size twelve plus as model. That's normal person size. Yep Nasa Ashburn is not normal but like she actually is a plus is larger woman right and I appreciate that. Yeah and I appreciate also that. She's just on the cover of vogue without a lot of totally unfair about the model. Yeah they drag model right. They would have made a big deal about it even a couple of years ago but I think she's on it because she's just really famous. That's what vogue me okay. The third cover another very famous person. Cardi B. Yes Cardi B. and her daughter culture yes they look great talks a lot about about Bernie Sanders. Yeah this in this piece. I expect Bernie Sanders to be a candidate of choice for the young female. The musician who else ran aground day. Oh yeah that's right. I didn't see this coming. I'm going to be honest. I think that Bernie is. It's it's online and both are anagrams. Air Online and slate reminder. Yeah and I think. Elizabeth Warren is the online candidate of choice for slightly more older practical people on a different podcast. We could really get in Tat Elizabeth Warren Campaign as sort of the trajectory of second wave. Feminism but that's very different. Okay Yeah Anyway. Cardi is on the Bernie train and talks about. This is pretty charming and she looks great. It's nice to see her totally she's she's not gone away whatsoever but the sort of like shock value of Cardi B. has gone away in a nice way similar to Ashley. Graham being on the cover of vogue and it's just sort of like this is our celebrity celebrity. Yeah Cardi B. and we appreciate her stained excellence. Yeah great job the fourth cover is Greta. GERWIG and her son Herald Herald. Ralph your Gerwig bombeck on this is the debut for Herald indeed and it's also I believe Greta Gerwig first vogue cover You don't get that many female female directors on the cover of anything because you don't get that many female directors so that's exciting and it is also. The piece is a window into the the combined Greta Gerwig know about back press tour which is really interesting to me. Greta Gerwig Ivy directed little women which will be out at Christmas. and Noah Baumbach right. I have seen them up to sums up. Couldn't recommend it more also currently reading little women. I didn't realize how many times I read little women as a child until I got it back out and I was like. Oh I remember this season and remember this in I love it. It's really delightful island right on time. I don't really love Louisa May alcott. But I don't dislike like she's she's lovely. It's been a nice cozy throwback for me I think because I did read it so many times I found it really rewarding and also I think having seen the Gerwig adaptation and what Greta Gerwig season it is fascinating and not something I would have picked up on it like eight years old but we re reading a now with kind of the GERWIG translation. I really recommend it. It's also just Kinda it starts at Christmas. The first line of the whole thing is about Christmas so it's like a a time reread reread. I am happy that you out for the film and I won't hold you to it if I don't like it but I think if I just read in his vogue profile I won't talk about a lot by had had read without knowing that you liked the movie that she created her own ending. I would have been very concerned. She sort of did she did and create a little bit horrendous. But I don't WanNA spoil it anyway. What's interesting about it is that Greta Gerwig? Ives has little women in going right now. and Noah Baumbach has marriage marriage story which is now available flex those are both Oscar contenders and Noah Baumbach and Greta Gerwig. Obviously in a relationship together and back is pretty president in this piece and their child is on the cover of vogue with her is there. It's a very interesting. Pr Moment. I think I think I would say Francis is probably the most influential movie I've seen on me now for everyone but on me like I've only I've seen at one and a half times the second second time I couldn't get through because I found it like to muscial really. Yeah and I love Noah Baumbach and Greg as a result. I don't ever want to meet them. It's celebrity where like I love them so much because I love their work so much I don't I don't particularly want to have any realism attached to this. And I was so so moved by this profile but bring so much of my own emotion to it but I just found it like so beautiful and sweet and Noah Baumbach if you love his movies like you just know that everything is bittersweet for him and they're so little straightforward winning and they're so little straightforward happiness in there so much like sadness in so so many asterisks to everything he does and so for him to be appearing as the supporting actor in his wife's profile and the an talking about like how he just wants to use use the word. Great over and over again I found so moving and talking about I feel like emotional but I also I'm so attached to their work and like the ways that I think about them is just based on how much I love there movies inside my head by myself then I found this like incredibly emotional and overwhelming and just really sweet. I found it really sweet as well and and also didn't totally trust it which. I don't know what that says about me. I should add. Francis is equally important to me. I we did a Top ten movies of the decade. And I think I can't remember I had it but it was definitely on the list and I am. I am of an age the exact same ages Greta Gerwig. I think she's maybe like six six months older than me and lived in New York and was I just started dating my husband when this movie came out. And yes when for instance came out and it's such like a specific being in young and kind of figuring things out in New York movie when I was like very young and stupid but nick maybe sort of figuring things out not totally and I also have I love know about back. Movies and Francis hot is like the real fulcrum in his ensure career because before that he is extremely bitter and you can just. I tell that he finds this person from Greenberg to Francis is like an incredible transformation and all of the movies going forward even marriage story which is a movie about divorce. I has a sweetness because there is this person in his life who has kind of changed the way that he sees the world and you can tell that in his movies and you can tell that in in this profile which is very sweet but there's something about when when Nova is talking about like I'm making the baby food mold on please for his phone like this is a real this is the performance and nice and I think they talk about their writing process where they will when they work on something together. They'll split up the acts of the script and each take different acts and then they trade at the end of the day and they get to hear each other laugh that's lovely. That's kind of the ideal relationship chip in my opinion. I and I think that's probably true. Sure I think it's better for him to perform being dad than to not perform it at all. I know that's a great point. It is a great point especially in the context of her being on the cover as a mother. I feel like it's just the kind of thing that you probably wouldn't have gotten from him. Yes previously yeah and I also felt I I hate when people tweet I feel seen but I felt very seen by this profile. The kind of all of the CIGNA fires in it from like Sally Rooney to who ordering steak free and just sort of like all the things of being as she says in the article as name Klay Molly Molly. I've never know how to say it. But she's a really good writer all of the signifier is being as she said the first wave millennial I think really like hit close to home and was like befitting of Greta Gerwig manse Anansie Noah back and I don't know I just like really like founded delightful. I don't know I'm being cynical about it because I also thought it was delightful and I I love these. Two people and their work independently means a ton to me delightful and seems like they would be very fine. Would they be fun to have dinner with breath as you know now no. I don't care yeah I hope to never experience. That's kind of how am as well. I'm like I don't feel like you. In general or more interested in interacting with the real life celebrities. You're not a shy. Yeah if I don't respect them that much. Okay if I like really respect them. I don't want anything to hurt my love for their work right so interesting yes. I don't WanNa meet them because I guess I don't view celebrities real people. Wow I sound like such a psychopath right now but whatever I talk about it this is our podcast but there's something about I guess. All celebrity is a performance and it's a commodity to an extent and I'm really interested in the ways that people can use that power or that station not just for their own benefit but honestly how it shapes culture like it is it is part of how our world is formed. So I'm interested in that but I I really don't need them to then. Just be a normal person. Yeah with like lame tastes or badge. I also think there'll be both disappointing and also if I have to assign like an actual personality to this. Then it changes my overarching world theory of celebrity show. I just can't can't be involved with you. GotTa keep your theories attacked. I think also for me. Perhaps this is why I am not married but the things that I really love. I don't particularly want to share. I'm just sort of like like this is mine and I'm good like I happily watch. I have happily watched almost every Noah Baumbach movie alone. And I'm just sort of like I'm good. I don't even need to know the person who made it you know and I'm just sort of like cool yeah. I don't think that's a single person. I think I would have said that. I'm the same way. But it's an only child thing. Hang on just ownership sure kind of I don't need any person to be a part of this including the person who made it or the person who's famous right. Yeah I it's just it's funny like the things that you love like you can. Just there's like different ways like love movie in a book. I mean that's what I'm interested in book club to like now except for on this podcast and I think some of it is also just other people are inevitably disappointing. So that's certainly true in a book club except for this one where it is like no I liked did you. And then you said this thing and I just know thanks The other thing. That was incredibly charming and also really synergistic rogue was an I presume this was organic and they just were thrilled. Was Greta Gerwig saying that. She's not instagram. But the thing that she'd loves from Instagram Cardi B.'s. Videos about being a mom and everything. Her daughter and I was like really happy for Vogue. The magazine that moment happened between their cover stars and also I was like Greta Gerwig. Welcome to twenty sixteen great to have ya so again. I don't like being cynical but I I just one hundred percent certain that she mentioned that because she knew that Cardi was one of the other covers and that doesn't mean that she didn't enjoy them didn't WanNa say something Nice about it. I just I think I'm GONNA try to steer this to a compliment. Actually sent you. He so much and I did really enjoy this and again. I recommend both of these movies in both of these people and may we continue to let them make movies and beyond magazine covers or whatever magazine covers are in like five beers for eternity. I think that Greta Gerwig often doesn't get enough credit for being savvy and on her shit sheriff because she has such an abuse personality and speaks like you and I do and gets really excited about stuff and doesn't have. It's not that she is not on it but there is just something associative and warm about her personality that we don't equate as being like in charge of of stuff and there is I think I was particularly notable during Frances. Ha where she is like a co writer because she's in the movie and his plan kind of the the daffy figuring it out character. I think a lot of people don't give her the same credit for participating in that. Yeah in the article. Yeah she was referenced as his Muse and she always wanted to crack people rightfully so right and so I think Greta Gerwig knows the game. I think right away knows what's going on and why you have to say inappropriate like this and and understand instagram. Even if she's not on it and knows knows all of these things and I think she probably found out that Cardi B. is going to be on another cover and figured out something nice to say or figured out something that I was true but also serves serves the purpose of this of this exercise because at the end of the day. Everybody's on the same team trying to create a good profile and and a good press cycle that then gets people to go see the movie so I just think that it probably was coordinated but I think it was one. She said it was once you muse his line but she said it was one. She was shooting little women that happened. I mean maybe but that's also a nice way to get little women into a sentence which is not a bad thing. We'll both little women that's what she wants to do. And that's why we're here doing. I'm a conspiracy theorist I'm going to go either way on this one. I I think that she probably also around around all these young people who aren't instagram. And I could like I am. I had probably learned about what she was on Saturday. She said it was like when she was in concord and everything but I don't know that that could be true and I don't I if it's not true I think I don't think it's a bad thing. Sure I think they're doing a very good job performing a very very what I hope is true but it's probably just a slice of their life. Yeah Yeah of course. She also doesn't really go into like the difficulty of bringing in her baby with her to the editing room or whatever yeah sure it's not like this is the truth and this is how they live all the time. But I don't know I just thought detail that specific superbeing onset and like what she was telling the story and like maybe she tried to populate it would make it into the article in a certain way. And she's not savvy but I just. I don't think that was like four vogue. Okay I don't think it matters ultimately sure 'cause we spend fifteen minutes talking about her and we're encouraging everybody to go see her movie so you know and I think we're positive about her right. Yeah I mean I started by saying I was incredibly emotional reading of profile. There's no there's no caveat I was GONNA say. When was the last time that you really emotional reading of Oak Profile? It's good for value. Last time was only ended. Honor Moore about rediscovering being alone and how much that meant to her. That's right that was like about about a year and a half ago and that's one of my favorite essays that like just ever I actually like a good glossy magazine personal essay. My other favorite like Essays Memories Michael charbonnet taking his son and fashion week which GPO. That was a good one. That was that made me cry. I like the CELEB-. I like the well written celebrity personal essay in Glossy magazine. Sure her has you know it gets edited and yeah they're always a little bit escapist while also having some relatable emotional truths totally and Yeah just that was beautiful in a row. I recommend googling Itch Lena Dunham alone vogue. You'll find a diary entry. It's lovely okay next. Let's talk about Brad Pitt. Great interviewed for The New York Times magazine on the ten group performances of the year. And and it's pretty great. I actually wouldn't needed you to clarify something please. He discusses how once upon a time in Hollywood cliff booth is on acid for. Did you also think perhaps Brad Pitt was on acid for that. Seeing the way that he was discussing it. 'cause I did and I was like maybe I'm just. I'm just misreading this. I can't can't tell no I didn't think so. I think they Brad Pitt. Number one has made a point of talking about his his sobriety in recent years number number two he talks about how the idea that the character is on acid just allows him to do other stuff jeff performing so I didn't take that away from it. I did take away from this piece. That Brad Pitt has done many times in his life. He says Oh sure her when asked if he's done. Acid the ninety satellite. Quite the time with Brad Pitt. And you talk about how much pot he was doing listening to the wrong people. Taking the wrong advice I just feel we have. We have two months ahead of us of these celebrities. We love doing pre-oscars press well. My only concern is that they won't do that much because Jay so much but now yes because also when you're Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio you don't have to say yes to everything right. So there's Ben then in this Oscar race there's been a real question of who will campaign enough to actually get the word because it's a very very crowded. Best actor right. Category Best Actress is a mess. And we're just GONNA have to hear it Shirley's there and talking about how important Megan Kelly is for like three months. So there's that Sheesh I was more impressive for the New York Times got Jennifer Lopez for this than anything else really yes. She's everywhere but I thought the photo shoot was so unlike. The Usual Djalo photos that I was impressed by that and I just thought that that seemed the most out of character. And some out of F- publicity character. Yeah I think you know. This is a part of a package that the New York Times magazine is every year called like the ten performances of the year. And there's there's a uniformity to the photograph yet. I think she may be just wanted to be on a list with Brad Pitt. And Leo and Lupita and all the people who are also shortlisted for Oscar nominations uh-huh and agreed to go along with it. That was my ren- Jennifer Lopez has has done everything she interviewed. She didn't interview with Robert Pattinson for varieties actors on actress. That stuff's amazing. Jody Watch. That was good Jennifer Lopez spent like four minutes explaining the Super Bowl to Robert Pattinson. Who is not American and unlike definitely doesn't care about football it's tremendous? She's performing right. Yes and she's talking. She she spent a lot of time explaining the significance of Jennifer Lopez performing the halftime time. Show at the Super Bowl to Robert Batson but also keep in mind. She is going to be promoting. That will actually be at the halftime. She'll be at the Golden Globes because she was nominated. I needed thank goodness. You're going to have a ton of Jaylo. I love the photos of her. It was really beautiful. Also Arabs video for like being excited like from the side. She posted her own self video. Posted yeah so funny anyway. Back to Brad Pitt. He's just really he was pretty candid. I mean obviously Dave Markey's he's like great at this yes and has really made his name on this kind of interviews and also. There's like that the editing was so smart like including the full long question from David Marquees about this is a question about once upon time. Then he just answers to. And that's it. And that's how they edited it and that's just like so smart and both sharable and also like speaks to a a smart and compassionate editors well delightful interview. Just love. This Brad Pitt Life. Yeah it's great. I think he'll definitely be nominated for an Oscar. So maybe he'll do a couple more things you have at least until February before Brad Pitt. Like goes back to his sculpting and his improv classes. How did you feel about him? referencing referencing Troy as the movie when he decided to stop making shitty movies. I think that adds up chronologically. Yeah are you like a huge troy fan. And I didn't know that level of specificity don't often get yeah that's true. He tries to I think as I said when he was onto him session. Brad Pitt tries to not give you pull quotes. Tried to get specifics or anything that you can take out of context. There's a reason that they have to print like a very long question and then just his no. Because that's it he's very good at it. I really enjoyed it. It was a great way to wake up this morning. Only thing is perhaps. Give us a picture of Brad Pitt in focus because yes. He's so hot. Yeah I would agree with that but nonetheless beautiful and artsy okay. Moving on to one of the hottest topics hugh grant and his involvement in the brexit situation. There are Prime Minister Elections on the twelfth. which is Thursday in the UK? So it's it's a highly charged time and yield Britain and you grants very involved. He really is so. I think I've mentioned this before. Jam Session but backstory for those for those of you who didn't really care shoe. I really recommend hugh grant as a twitter. Follow been following him for about a year now and he has been got pretty involved anti Brexit tweeter. Yes he is Kinda. It's like a I don't know if they have. MSNBC MOMS in the UK but he is an MSNBC Mamba Brexit. He's British Alyssa Milano. And with a little bit of humor and so he'll mostly tweet about brexit. Does it then. Every once in a while he'll be like do you know where I can find the tennis on television or the cinema is too loud. That's it it's. It's a hilarious twitter experience. But since the general election action has been announced Hugh Grant has decided to get pretty involved in politics and he has adopted like a special all strategy called vote tactically where he's encouraging everyone to vote constituency by constituency. I was GONNA say district but I think it's called constituency the UK to Council Council by counsel for the best chances of defeating Boris trump. And not only is he like tweeting about this. He's like on the road and he just kind of went from from place to place around the UK and with was appearing at events and boosting certain candidates and also just like blogging lot. And it's just been amazing like Hugh grant in the span of two weeks just became a political vlogger. Now I have to tell you. It's not something I I saw coming. I know he went from being like Hollywood dirtbag. He also recently tweeted out his own mug shot from when he was to the trolls. Yeah and he just sort of like owning it and going for it. I do think there's a level of personal taking personal with Brexit. That is different than politics. In a in a way and I feel like upcoming through with him and it really is something and then Boris Johnson campaign video where he reenact the Sinai seen from love actually and Hugh Grant. BBC News was like this is what I didn't like about it and it's just like as you said correcting literally referencing the one sign that Boris Johnson didn't use. I love actually which I just not to my own horn but I thought a lot about my love actually about how it caused brexit. Yeah as soon as Boris Johnson released that video but then now hugh grant is also involved and his blogging style. He does this in an interview. That is like it's very serious dad. Yeah a series British Dad log which is very. It's strange but kind of endearing I I. It's fascinating I have no idea whether it's going to work We are not British voting. So I will abstain from trying to explain politics. I'm not totally verse in State but I will say I understand a lot more than I did. After following regret the fact it's a public service okay. I'm learning some stuff. I know what all the words mean. I have a general general idea of. What's it's going to happen on Thursday? That's using your platform. I guess yeah. He's crushing it's really. I think that the general election will be a quite a data follow Hugh Hugh grant on on twitter. If you already and just one day is time yeah. Next architectural digest theory lives on live Tyler. She had a house us. In Architectural Digest. We talked about that toured the West Village Brown stone at great lengths has. It was a video. I was like going through her things in the attic. I don't remember it. Okay it's a pretty nice brownstone okay but then like a month or two later. It's sold for seventeen and a half million in dollars and she also crucially relocated to London. I'm sure she had to have seen coming when she did. The architectural digest talk. She had already relocated like even in the tour. She's talking about how this was a house from her use and you know we do. Staten the other. But she's like we don't spend as much time here anymore. I just wanted to bring this up. Because as we've all danced around the theory of celebrities invite architectural digest into their home a few months before they want to sell it in in order to up the resale value. And I just I think we have enough evidence at this point to conclusively state that that is the case. Yeah definitely we are just looking today at more attorneys house which is also a West village brownstone townhouse look for that to be on the on the market two months as you said and also they have a couple. Oh photographs from Jason Stadiums. Malibu home on architecture right now and at the end they had the listing agents already on the market. I you know I guess it's Wednesday Ruth Graham. I wrote that theory for slate about two years ago right. I feel angry about this. I don't know it's not like I think architectural digest the justice. Some like you know I think it was more degree of journalism. I think it was With Jackson and Justin three thousand pre ridiculous example because that meets like this is our home and we love it here and it was. It was like a peek into their lives. It wasn't just like here's House that his personal internet it was positioned slightly differently differently. So I mean like I'm mad not broken their journalistic integrity now but I'm not mad at high ANDRO. Stateless thing yeah at the end of the day. I would love to see these houses and if and I'm not going to be able to afford them anyway. Toto have someone else is going to pay an extra twenty percent on this extremely expensive the house because it was in architectural digest. And I got IT I. It's not my money. I suppose. There's a long-term real estate effect. That's not great for me but I don't know the real estate market is pretty complicated. I can't really be worrying about it right now. You'll be fine. Mark Ronson houses for sale. Oh yes it is. We discussed that. Yeah Yeah Yeah I actually it may have sold. I can't remember but I looked at the listening and the other day. It's just great. It's a great house really is that also falls into the story and Yeah it's it's what happens happens. It's real people I mean. I wonder who books that for you. The the architectural digest the bookers like they do for any other magazine to me especially for center celebrity celebrity stuff. Yeah we should look into it. Okeydokey this week's we wish you well. This came to my attention via gossip and it goes to manage adage ally who is engaged in some kind of instagram performance. All right now what. She has roped Margaret Qualley Jaden Smith into where basically she and Margaret Qualley unlike sometime in November both posted these screen like alleged screen shots of like a face. I'm conversation between them from marriage lifespan. Like she's a little one in the corner. Were they like breaking up or something and then they'll go back and forth and then Jaden Smith jumps in the comments to be like. Here's how you guys can get over this break off up with some weird like process. Forget the name of it. It's like some kind of like Related to meditation that kind of thing and then they just kept going and then like mark qualities. Actually I don't need to do this. And then Miranda July's like another series of images that are like Margaret. I'm writing a song for you and it's just like this weird like performance art of like collectedly leading you into like this emotional time between two men who are going through a breakup whether it's whatever kind of relationship it has and I think it's really dumb and I'm not I'm not a fan of this ploy and it's just so obvious what it is. It's like several years too late but nonetheless merge alike. Good Luck I wish you wealthier career I. I really enjoyed the one. Kirsten dunst email from that email project. She did like six years ago. That was just Obama. Mom Yeah which media's Kinda what invented. MSNBC MOM the term that. I use all the time now so interesting so I had never really thought about that at Amal Aji anyway that that was a good one email part of a project. Otherwise Randall I wish you well. I forgot about the email project. This is like really an extension of that. He's just interested in like digital correspondents and and what it reveals about sure but it was more interesting in two thousand thirteen that it is now also Jaden. Smith's like his price like raise your price. It's really really available. Like what's he not doing that like what's he saying no to. He's young he's he's trying things on. I guess I wish him well too. Although I like actually they do like I. I'd like his parents. I it'll be cool. Adults like the journey may be long getting there. Yeah that's after this week. Yeah it's it's everyone's everyone's getting ready for the holidays. It's seems like a light celebrity week. Yeah it's pretty. It's revoke just a lot of good stuff in there. Thanks for listening like the next week yeah.

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Episode 5: Greta Gerwig

Five Things with Lynn Hirschberg

46:50 min | 1 year ago

Episode 5: Greta Gerwig

"Greta Gerwig has been inspiring to me for so many reasons for one thing. She has incredible credible verve and vitality and a belief in. What's possible I? I met her when she was an actress. I put her on the cover of the I W issue that we ever did. And I've never regretted that decision. She went on on to write and direct movies like Francis Haw and the Wonderful Lady Bird her new movie. Little women is an adaptation of that book and it takes a completely interesting and different tone than what you might expect. This episode of five things is brought to you by the House of Chanel. Nineteen thirty-one Gabrielle. Chanel arrives in America. She's invited by the renowned for Jesus Samuel Goldwyn to transform the look of movie stars Elizabeth Taylor Greta Garbo and Marlene Dietrich they all in my hair styles. Gabrielle God's Hollywood's over the top glamour in favor of elegance and simplicity legends create on their own terms to learn more about Gabrielle. Chanel visit inside Chanel dot com. So I'm Greta Gerwig and this is five things mm-hmm so tell me a person in your life that's been meaningful to you. I don't know why it surprising that you just asked me that. Give it but ah there's so many people today that come to mind. I totally the first person that came to mind and it's very obvious one. If if you're I guess following along at home at all. It's Noah Noah Baumbach is in so many ways and I I just I guess it just. It immediately came to mind for so many reasons. Obviously he's my partner and he's a person I love but but he's also he's my first reader. He's my first watcher. He's brilliant. He's brilliant writer. He's a brilliant billionth director. He believed in me. He believed in me as a filmmaker. He taught me how to work work hard. He taught me how to edit myself Both as a writer and director he lead by example in terms of his his utterly relentless. Work Work Ethic and I I so much of what I've done and my love of cinema and my knock wood progress as a as a director and writer. I feel so much is tied with what I would have made with him. And then also what I've made away from him that The known very basic level. I think I want to impress him so I think that's you know that's always. He's my number one number one laugh if I can get it. Get a laugh from him. He doesn't give them out out so But so yeah I mean it for so many things I mean. Those are professional reasons. What was the first movie? Saw By. Noah Baumbach kicking and screaming I it was shown to me by a someone who is still good friend of mine in college. I think said I think he really we're gonNA like I did. I did I really liked it. And then I I he wrote shots murmurs in New Yorker so it read the. I'd read those which were really really funny and And I knew it co written west West Movies Life Aquatic. Yeah what's Anderson so that was my first. That was my first experience of him as a as a writer and I felt like right away as a writer and filmmaker I felt shortly go under. I had some understanding of what he was trying to do. And I think you have a I think if you WANNA be a writer filmmaker you have a collection of people you imitate it and he was definitely one of them and you almost it's A. I think it's probably learn how to do it you. They're sort of the way. Scenes are structured jokes are structured. You find different content but maybe you do the same way and then you see like can I write like that I I mean I did that with playwrights all the time and anyway as as a cinema artist he was one of the first that I I was the first pure collaboration Francis Haw. Yeah well the first acting I I'm I acted in Greenberg and that was a when I read the script. I had very distinct impression pressure that I I I was like. I didn't write this but I wish I had written it and takes part of me feels like a even though that doesn't make any sense and that was I was jealous of it already great in this way and it had the thing that I like in playwrights he he writes casually early. It's deceptively casual but it's word for word perfect all the rhythms. Alright Kenneth Lonergan does that to Mike Lee does it. I'm you do it and I tr- theme but I do like that sort of precision in language. I really respond to it and I just saw. It may be cry it. I saw it in my head. That was the other thing I could really see it. Almost as a as a director in a way even though she was directing it so with mistress America which which you know is I think the most brilliant character practically ever. I love that I love that movie so happy when anybody comes up and says that's there there they they love it over and over again I watch you in over and over again. It's the most fascinating character is delicious delicious and yet you love her. Even though she's a nightmare remember she's also she secures and she's also from so herself in an can't help it and I I there's something about her lack of savvy around how she presents to other people bill which makes her so much of a better person than anyone else. They're more tragic more tragic but also more you know more pure. She doesn't know how to sell an had. Just everyone feels like they know how to sell and she feels like she could have. Maybe maybe made it work in. Nineteen eighty three doesn't work now but the great thing about it also and I wonder if this was part of it for you. She's the kind of have reason you moved to New York. This is the definition of the person you moved to New York to up to me like. That was what I wanted to be what I moved to New York to be. That girl right or that woman shoes. I just wonder how you conceived her. Did you know someone like that or you just had it in the back of your brain because the dialogue is so everything. She says is so unbelievably fantastic. We had an true so true. She's a combination of a few different a few different things based on a few different people. I've known people who completely terrified me when I met them but I was also obsessed with them but as you get closer the right see the smoke and mirrors but she initially. We were writing something else. And she was assigned character and then we just felt like she deserved a home movie I wrote. I wrote a whole scene with Noah I it was I remember when we found her voice and then I would you know kind of start reading it out loud as we were editing. It made us laugh so hard on me. Loved her so much that we realized the this. We've gotTa do this and I think it was. We've been watching something wild the Melanie Griffith and that sort of structure was interesting to us. This and you had to have a character that was three wheeling in that way and could go dark dark. Yeah because that gets very dark something wild. Oh Oh yeah really dark but also it's. It's like the version. I don't WanNa say this word because they hate it but I I will because I'm so tired myself. Editing isn't great it's the eighties equivalent of what what we would say. Is Manic Pixie. Dream Girl is a nightmare. Like she has something wrong as deputy desperately seeking Susan in something like it's not cute now and I think that that edge of danger after hours Zana Arca you know those characters characters it felt like in the eighties walks the line and walk the line and I think we lost that somehow in the nineties and early two thousands we decided added. We liked all the fun. Go live life aspects of that character but we didn't want her to actually get us into a terrible situation ince's and we wanted to revive the is that slight dark side of it that that thing that just is desperate that desperation. Yeah that gaping maw of needs that can never be filled. Okay so now. We'll go to a place. Yes let place has had resonance for you. Well Big Sur. Really I thought we're GONNA say Sacramento. I know well of course of course but sir is a place to me is Brigadier June. Were when I was growing up we had family down in southern California down in San Diego and Riverside and so we drive down. We drive down mostly like highway five between between Sacramento and and all the way down that long stretch of done it Oh yeah Holliston. And the cows and the oil fields hot hot always. My grandfather was from Riverside and he dug in those fields. And he you know it. We're very we're California your family in the sense that all the reasons you've moved here for dust bowl reasons farming was better here. I it's like very like the way what I think that kind of history of California's which so new in some ways but I remember there was one trip and I don't remember how old I was when maybe five six that we for some reason we were driving down highway one and we stopped the pinch the firepit and I went to the way Fares Chapel which is a glass chapel and I like all not all all put a certain kind of little girls a lot of time planning my wedding and my mind and I was like in my mind for a very long time I would want to get married at the waverers chapel in big Sur with tap dudes in chorus of men in Tuxedos. I don't know what I was. That was so clear it'll be wonderful. Would be in this glass chapel. All these top DOC. Dancing men will come in. I don't know it was what I wanted anyway. and still I'm not just for me but but anyway so so I had this and I remember it being most beautiful place on earth and then it went back again then in my twenty s and I- car camped and I loved it and then I want back again like every time I've gone back significant and then the last time I went back was actually the right after all of the HOOPLA and the excitement and the Academy Awards I went to for Ladybird. The next day. I packed up the car with all my little women research and I went to a cabin in the woods in big Sur. And got real with myself about you. ooh What can I do this. I knew I was I I I had. I had a draft that I liked. I thought I could I. I could wrap my head around it but I felt like I. I always need to be alone when I when I imagine myself into movie making movies is so strange because you have to imagine you have to imagine and believe in a thing that doesn't exist yet and you have to know what it is and then you have to get everyone who you're working with to dream the same dream you are so that you're all in this. Imagine reality together. I think for me to do that. I need a lot of alone time because I need to. I need to know it and I particularly since it was an adaptation of something that meant so much to me. I felt like I had to the commune with Louisa and really get deep with the ghost of Louisa about what she wanted at sound. So Oh pretentious. But it's just how I need to do it so I had all her books and journals and they had all these. I had brought my content contemporaneous rainiest writers like you know trying to work my way through more. Thoreau and Emerson and then book she likes like George Eliot Middle Mar Middle. That'll march and also Daniel Dorando. Yeah and Milan that floss. Actually no one's well barely anyone in the movie at they've read When Joe is reading to bath on the beach she's reading from George Eliot the we could never loved the earth so well had we had no the child within it so beautiful and she loved George Eliot so it was sort of like what is she loved? What do we do you know? Why do how am I going to approach this? And and then I spent two weeks in big Sur with the trees in the end the ocean in a funny way it was. You know it's not I mean it's not conquered. It's the IT's west coast but I felt like it could kind of give me some connection and then I read somewhere where I Still WanNa do this. Monastery in big Sur and Pico. IRA does he does every year. And I I've always wanted to go there. But did he read. It's part of the mission. Yeah Yeah and he rented the when I was a child I built it out of sugar. Cube me too. I not that they built another San Juan Capistrano. That's a good one to build. Yeah sure keeps to I. You remember if it was out of sugar cubes but I do remember. It's had a long time. You probably did The better thing which is build it out of popsicle sticks. I was a little dumb about school projects because I was number two. TJ about them and my one of my neighbors who went to school with me. WHO's as a best friend of mine could? Different Noah Noah Shapiro Anyway. He I just remember. We'd do our homework together. I state reports. I picked main because I was interested in May because Maine was the first state in the Union to see the sun. Because it's the most easternmost in most state. That was the idea interesting but we had to draw a map of the state and no one knows. Like why didn't you pick a square one pit it Colorado and as you I. I'm drawing a coastline. But the right thing winging anyway I think there's a metaphor in there somewhere. So yes but so did it was probably out of interest and it took a lot longer but it anyway so big Sur and then recently I like I I'm I it's just a beautiful place and then I I don't know I be writing the script. I rewrote the whole script. There I took it apart and put back together there. So that's a say the name of your movie. Oh little women the little women I wrote. I had the whole draft but I yeah I took it apart. Put it back together because I can't. It's not yeah I don't make things that are modular so when I changed things I have to take the entire machine apart. It's not like I can move this over here. It all all kind of clicks in a way and it's very frustrating. I've noticed when the studio wants to give because they probably better because you think. Oh Oh can you just do this. And I'm like well no I can't because of this and they're like our guys here in my crazy labyrinth but Anyway so that. That was where I think the movie I you see now is that and I heard in my mind because I sir. She told me she wanted to play wage. Oh Very Joe Move I. I'll be playing Joe. Oh I got okay great. She says she knows But surfeit she's perfect perfect but I had heard in my mind to the speech. She gives about Women's that women they have minds as well. It's just hearts ambition and talent as well as just beauty and I'm sick of being told that love is all women's fit for but I'm so lonely I heard search say it in my mind and I started started crying alone in this cabinet in the woods and then when we were set she said it exactly the way I'd heard it in my head and it's one of those creepy things about making art especially making a communal art film. which is you know there's Louisa May alcott who wrote little women than there's me adapting it than there sir? Show who's playing Joe but also playing Louisa. And then we're all in some shared reality transcends transcends one hundred and fifty years and space and time I it's it's odd and anyway big Sur. I feel it gave me the magic. There is parlor other game which I always think is good but in your case it's so obvious about which one of little women are you but you're definitely joe so we don't even have to have that conversation do do I but I feel like I find myself in different parts of each of long. So you're not really. Wow Best. Weirdness yes yes I think people forget how weird this. She's also a one way you're like her because and so am I. She goes over to the house and plays the piano she does does. She shows the initiative to be. Everyone's afraid to go over there. She sedan she and not socially but she emotionally seduces the gentlemen of the House Yeah. He's everyone everyone in. The book is very scared of it in your movie leaves less terrifying terrifying. Yeah he's She's she's also. I love Punky we gave her. We gave her allies and always talks about her. Beth is being also genuinely peculiar which all comes from the book and it's always been satisfying. We we have her feeding her doll. which is really weird satisfied? The first time I watched it with an audience and and it got big laugh and I'm GonNa Z.. They see how strange shoot. Yeah because in the book which you know. There's so many wonderful incidents in the book and you don't have time I'm to do every single one of them although I would have loved to. But she has this sea power she. She accidentally kills her bird pip yes and then tries to revive him. uh-huh weird funeral. It's odd and it's but it's great. Yeah and I just I feel like the weirdness of Beth had never been totally explored. And that's why we give the line when may she's as Beth. What's your favorite color? Purple will but I just wanted her to say things like that. It didn't end up working in the kite but I also had a lies screamed uncontrollably. It was Laurie jumped out of the out of the Colas Rag and We had a few of the other things and Elisa was so good at tapping into the Strangeness Strangeness of Her and so so that part of it that kind of slightly in their own world to Q.. leear identify identify with that in terms of in terms of back. But you're still joe instill Joe Salchow. My shows your other other south. Yeah all right. So what is a thing that has had a huge made You know like something that in your life has had made an impression on you or a totemic thing that you keep with you or a lucky charm or a piece of art right that you saw that. Change the trajectory of your life a dance. You're always really good at talking about down's no I know and dance was huge for you. The fact that you're dancer I think has really affected so many things. Well yeah dances dances tap. ditsy get your it says it right. I know let's ask you. You had a crush on and movies and I love your answer. We remember your answer John Way Wage John Wayne because of how he walks. That's a dance response. Yeah I'm and the reason you love your again. Why because you put your head? You're yeah yeah I know I remember. That's because Edward was stylists fashion director. And he said something so and so great he putting the Sparkley little onesie young and I never 'cause I'm not us is zero and you know you never totally know a few feel comfortable enough you body but then a nice way attic. Oh the pictures I love I love. He just had this way. Yeah I would say Four me this is a combination and some not only pursued at this but this is the sort of the intersection I guess of of dancing and film singing in the rain. Stats this you remember how old you were when you thought young like six seven. I think it was the first time I ever wanted to re. We live inside of a movie. I think you don't forget that. I think I don't know a lot of cake to yes. Yes out of a Kagan agee hole and also loved gene. Kelly's face so much and everything about I wanted to be gene. Kelly kind of I mean yeah. I couldn't imagine anyone more handsome and more wonderful and I dance dance. He could sing and he was boyish without being a boy we pretty masculine is like a stair whether it's like kind of not sexual stare was I love and I love the I'm very I wish to rest by stare. t sort of staggering in dancer and the Howie shot those routines and what he did but let but I loved Lily and really I wanted to be Gene Kelly and that movie because it's about movies but but it's also dancing and singing and movies and and it's this relationship at the other Gene Kelly movie. Maybe I'm just saying the object of Gene Kelly who this was an American in Paris the whole room he has at the beginning. This sequence folds the Murphy bed and the toast and the whole thing that I continue to love love small spaces but gene Kelly as arturo really. I think was so choose from me. Combine to everything I was interested in. I think I assume everybody watches the movies and wants to live inside them. But I think if you feel that not as strongly as I did. Maybe that's when you WanNa work in them right you you WANNA find a way to get inside and of course the issue never really do but you you you know. You're it's as close as you can get the the singing in the rain. I think that's a wonderful thing to think that you're affecting people the way you were affected. I hope so. You are definitely the whole generation of people who WanNa be Francis Haw. Yeah it's I don't know if they want to be I I can't remember her name. What's her name mistress? America Brooke when Tracy rates about her. She calls her meadow. I just I don't know that everyone wants to do. But maybe maybe maybe on certain days not every day one thing exhausting exhausting to be broke every day. It's exhausting one thing. Definitely the with little women that we did as I remember saying to everyone that cinematography or and then Who Food Production Designer Jacqueline durant? Who did the costumes and the discussions with with the grip gaffer and everyone everyone I said I kept saying I want people to want to live inside of it and also eat it? That was a combination. And that's that's how I felt felt about those does gene Kelly's visible and so I think I was trying to tap into that thing and I don't think every movie I'll make we'll have ABC quality but I wanted this one to have it because I think it is for so many women that place you. It's discomfort the comfort of of the of these sisters and and I have had to re give it to them in a new package of day. They want to crawl back inside of it to that. I think there's something else you do. That's really brilliant. And all of your work. which is you talk about ambition in a very pure and interesting listing way and you talk about ambition for women in a way in little women? That's really interesting because it's not just about Joe. The movie in many way the subtext. So the movie for me and I said this to everyone I've spoken to is that it's a bad how a woman transcends circumstance in different ways whether it's through talent whether it's through beauty in the case of amy because even in the amy case I'm fascinated because I love the casting of Florence because in the past people like Elizabeth Taylor who are like a born beauty just sitting there doing nothing. Is Amy right so with Florence. WHO's very pretty but still still the idea is can beauty? Take me out of here. How how does beauty applied beauty become a ticket to another world world right and that is a fascinating thing in that character it becomes her arc in a way she smarter than she looks? But the smart isn't what gets her there right. I mean with all of the characters whether it's motherhood or whether it's obviously joe is about writing and being outspoken. Outspoken and talented and brilliant. And Beth is strange. I guess the thing is that I wanted to do is when she goes and sits in the Lawrence's just hasn't played. The P plays the piano that I wanted you to feel like a Koch. Of course she could have been someone. She's not marked for death. And and I want to every single girl to be essentially ambitious and crazy like what we would describe as like but even like all of them. It's true in little women of course but I think it's so fascinating how you amplify the subject matter because that's in the book but it's not in the book in this way. No Yeah I mean I think what I only really Joe. Well no his dad I would make the argument. It is definitely in the book with Amy. And that the biggest in the book as the biggest the amy and Laurie have in art studio or amy says I want to be great or nothing. That's from the book. She has an active discussion with about how she says. I you know I I. Don't I WANNA be a commonplace dubber and I don't intend to try anymore which I just thought. It was sort of staggering conversation. She has been she does very clearly. Say I'M GONNA marry for money and I don't see why should feel bad about that. But her giving up art is really interesting and I think I think what's neat about. It is that it's not. Actually schematic dematic with the two characters. which is well? I think you know amy kind of is like realize that she goes to Europe and in my this is sort my invention but like you know she. She spends time in Italy. which you'd see the old masters you on to Rome? You would have gone to Florence. Would've seen oh how great it was. And she's in Rome took all the vanity out of me right and you know because she would have been idolizing that kind of painting and then she goes to Paris and what I think is interesting in Paris. What's happening in Paris in eighteen? Sixty eight many is painting Cezanne Painting. They're starting to take apart the canvas and make paint. The subject of the painting is about to blow apart. And I in my imagining joining of who amy was stroke may May alcott. Whose artist sister is she got some Paris and she was like Oh shit and now they're already destroying the thing that I think they're they're they're making what I wanted to do? cubis the ready. It's coming anyway and I just that kind of analysis of you know Oh my God and what's interesting to me about Joe and amy and I've never really gotten into this because I think sometimes when you're speaking in shorter forms you don't WanNa get these things closely but was interesting to me is Joe. Joe Is also being told that she's a hack. She Writes Adventures underage student. Yeah and people don't like them she you know she's doing it for the money right. The difference between Joe Enemy may not be talent or anything it may just be. The Joe Never gives up and amy decides to cash in the chips. And that's what's interesting to me is like fascinating what what separated them as Josiah's kept going and she could make an argument. That's what separates effort NATO daily. I mean maybe you feel like life. What it is is who won't quit? I think a lot of. It's the outlast you outlined. Just keep working but I think you do. I was thinking of Louisa. And there's a there's a review in the Atlantic Henry James Panned her at at the end one of her books and that's she said I could be quoting all this wrong but I don't think I getting the outline of it right. But that's AH. That's where the thing that she said. I can't afford to starve on praise which I gave to search to say came from because Henry James is from this high flute and family he it has all this money he does. He does not need to write to save his family and Louisa needs to write to say per family. And that's the difference in any. She outsold old by Gino factor. One hundred I mean sheets she. She blew him out of the water. I Love Henry. James Henry James's ingenious. We don't worry about that but not unlike Joola we just kept going and I think I think that break between Joe and amy and I always saw amy and I love. Can you give me the line. And maybe it's in the book and I don't remember where she says something clever and Joe says you're so wise I mean I always was wise. You just never noticed. She doesn't the she doesn't say exactly that in the book which she says in. The book is I don't pretend to be wise but I am observant. And you're like Holy Shit. She sees how the entire tire game is rigged. And she's going to bet on this and what she bets on his. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not going to be painful for her to not be the best and Joe. It's just too painful to not do it right. And even if she is not the best and people always ask what would you do. If if you couldn't fail I think an interesting people always ask you that I will not lucky high school kids. What would you do if you knew you couldn't fail? They go after dreams but I also think interesting question is what would you do if you knew you would fail. Like what's worth it anyway right and I think Louisa Joe It's worth it anyway. They just kept going. But yeah. It's a amy. I wanted her to be something formidable against Joe but it didn't fantastic character. You made her a fantastic. And then I'll just do one more thing on it because it's interesting is like my analysis. I think I love your analysis for eighty the one one of the reasons. I made her CICCIO. Huge foil. Oil is is she. She is too in the in the book a she's she has shooting the same weight classes. Joe should just. She's boxing a different game and what I was interested in. I have forgotten how what scholar did this. There's all kinds of interesting gender stuff in it. You you know Lori is a is a boy with a girl named Josie girl with the boy's name all all of that kind of interesting childhood pre chant chantant pre gender roles stuff is gray but also you know. Joe Spends the whole book wishing she were a boy and almost performing performing masculinity right but amy is not feminine. So much as she's performing femininity ugly. Yes manx feminine. Yeah Amy's not. Yeah Amy's learned. That's what you're supposed to do that will get me out of here. Get me out of here so this sort of performance of gender under. Amy Doesn't need to do this particularly she doesn't because it's the most expedient way to get where she's going and I think that that's but that was a fascinating interpretation because yes I think that the classic thing to do is to just cast a straight up very pretty girl and Kala today. She's the pretty one end of story right and what you did was a billion times more interesting than Florence. So you cast Florence Darling. UH-HUH I love her too but that was what you did else might have cast. I Dunno whatever. Yeah well anyway. That's his name full digression. I could talk about little women forever. We now okay. Well now we have to go to not so happy experience in your life that led to something else event like the job. You didn't get a loss you didn't get into school you didn't get into or Well place you didn't move or I didn't I mean again you just you. Don't get to live two lives at once. You only get to do the one sue. You don't know how it would have gone but I didn't get into any when I was eighteen or seventeen nineteen eighteen is you get into any BFA programs for acting and wanted to be an actor. And then when I was twenty two I didn't get into any. MFA Progressive Playwright. I've gotten completely rejected by the world of academic art making but I was rejected from such encouragement right now. Right now you'll make a billion people feel better about themselves so I didn't get into. UCLA auditioned listen for their musical theater. Program I didn't get to Nyu. I didn't get into juilliard. I didn't get into anywhere of of that nature and then when when I was twenty two. I didn't get into juilliard. I think it it to Nyu and I didn't get in deal And I'd wanted to go for play writing. I didn't get into any of them and I. I think I'd like to think that had I gotten in it would have just been really nice and I would not a great time and you know essentially I would have still found on the way to work in the field chosen field but I think the the good seeing that came out of that was to find another way I had to find another way and also it was like you know is that a is is so these people told me I shouldn't do it. D- believe leaving. Because if you do then you shouldn't you know it's a holiday. Yeah but what. I'm glad I I kept going in. I think it also gave me a very it made me seek a broad education and and it made me try to suck whatever ever education I can get out of any opportunity. I came across You still audition for things. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah I still and I and I did. Did you know I went to Barnard College which was amazing you also and it was a New York and also I. I met wonderful there and also ended up being a leading lady. I was GONNA say ironically this right. This is ironic in the colloquial sense sense not in the actual meaning of the word ironic but one of my my acting teachers who I love very much a at Barnard and taught at Barnard Columbia the theater program. Rebecca guy is is one of the senior acting teachers at the Juilliard Program. So I ended up getting to work with someone that wouldn't wouldn't didn't want me. She's wonderful. I helped me in but you know these things that feel so big the moment mints they are they are the insofar as you let them be the thing. That's the final word. What was the happy experience you can't you know again and and honestly so cheesy because or it's cheesy last year at the Oscars really the friends with me my friends so no one ever says it's fun that ever heard my friends from Sacramento have known since I was six where they're my best friends from college? Were there my mom. Dad know like it was actually just amazing and then my cats and the people I made it with it. It was actually ages like this glorious night. I was an amazing one the day before. Yeah surprised I was so the whole thing surprising and I just I felt such affection for everyone who they I mean Jordan. Peele and Guillermo and Chris Nolan and PD Anderson. Listen you know everyone in that group by just I. It was just extraordinary. I just and I really genuinely sitting in the theater and I. I got a text from my best girlfriends who watch watching it and they were wearing matching outfits it was pretty amazing and and yeah it was it was just incredibly moving. The whole thing was just great. Parents came with me and my breath. Best friend from growing up was in the in the audience and then a lot of members of the crew rent managed to get tickets the Oscars it was just. It was amazing and we didn't win anything thick and it was the best. Did you get nervous when they called out categories. Did you think you'd have to go up there. 'cause Steven Spielberg told me once that. There's no one who doesn't think there's a chance they're going when they go down the list. I and you'd won the day before so I wasn't but I did not feel I was I was like that's that's good. That's good it just it was but it was. I just think it's so rare that the thing that supposed to be a happy moment happy moment I make it's often. It looks happy. But there's all this other stuff and you know but I you know sit sit there and to hold Noah's hand and Party party dress. My friends were texting me. I felt I felt great. It was just exciting with Sir she was was a few rows ahead. She was with her mom. It just felt very blessed moment that The the thing that was supposed to be great was great. Perfect and all those people juilliard were like we made a mistake. They've never thought about me. I don't know about that. New One made it in stake stake. Everybody made the right choice but anyway yeah it was extraordinary now this year it's GonNa be a whole other ballgame honey whole other thing but it's been in a very this is also very nice. I'm also anytime I get to make a movie. I think Have you already one measure or about the next the Tajik thing. Okay can I have. I have ideas ideas. I've got a list of things I've got to make the list. Yeah a really good. And how many on the Liz not telling more than ten yeah really. Oh Oh my God. You're so organized. That's not a goal. I guess so so no I think actually look like view the mass and like okay. If you're lucky if you get to make movies. How many do you get to make you sound like Quentin not that that mini and you know? It's it defies all that because he worked so quickly. You like Woody Allen knows like doing a movie era the outside. That's true but he's so methodical and careful it was a compliment. Like 'cause this is a great movie I loved Meyrowitz and it's like boom boom. You know he's He. He has an incredible work ethic but he also does really take time. He likes taking his time. Shooting likes to his time writing. It feels like they anyway but yes true. You don't get to do that. Many do you get to do that music videos. And it's like I think also is a fan of anything whether you know what's your fan of you have the sense of like I can go home and watch all these brilliant movies by all these different people's history and even if I get to keep making movies and even if I you know don't completely lose it and making terrible things happen however much that you contribute to what the art form of cinema is will be this much just a little bit. You know you'll you'll do your sliver on the layer which is both I think you're a little more than that. But it's a relief in a way but it's also like okay so get down to work. They tend to work. You'RE GONNA make only this many and and go ahead in and throw your hat in the ring and see and see what happens so I don't know I I've got I've got some. I've got some ideas and they keep trying to make on you. And thank you for listening to Debbie magazines. Five things with me. Linh Hershberg heard. Today's podcast was produced by. Cheyenne Assadi. and Michael Becker recorded by destiny Farrand with post production by the Hanger Studios. The theme song is Sung by Robin Shore and written by Robin Shore. And Jacob fought to Recchi special thanks to Sarah Moon Vez Maga's and milk studios. La subscribed subscribed to be the first to hear new episodes of five things and for more from W magazine. Follow US W von Instagram. And W magazine on Youtube where you can see my screen green tests and Asmar's and Zora. You have to sit down it ed. La La la La la La la La la La

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Olivia's Pick: Noah Baumbach

"Hello Hello Hello. Folks, you know what it is loaded. Do you know what be you know it was? You know what it was it. You know what it will be. You know what it never will. Happen. Good one. Thank you, guys. It's another episode of ICONOGRAPHY. I'm I. Oh, and I'm Olivia baby tells what this podcast is about. This is a podcast about celebrities as Kazaa. Icons is the podcast island. I ask a very important question which is. Can a celebrity endure the test of time? And usually we have someone on to talk about that. But we're doing a little special. Oh Baby! It's Leather Iona Livia. Sit Down dinner by dinner with Iowa Livia Dur did by Louisville, but before we get to that. Every week. We have our of the moment, right? Icons of the week. And and we talked to each other about. That is true. That is what happens. I do have an icon of the week and delivery I do have an icon of gorgeous. My I kind of the week is a person who. Throwing I kind of weak is a man. Okay, it's one Mr Tevin Campbell. If. You are not familiar with the gorgeous. PAY THEON OF NINETIES R&B. Then I suggest you get yourself familiar and I. Suggest you start with Mr Tevin Campbell of the hit single. Can we talk? My friend Ben. You Know Ben has a story about. Smoking weed with Kevin Campbell on a stoop in Oakland as As a teen what? It was like Kevin Campbell was like friends with someone. He News like Stepdad or something, and he just walked up and Ben was geared. Having Campbell in having Campbell was like yeah. I hope it was having Camp I'm pretty sure it was. Really Funny Guy who just looked Tevin Campbell just always be like. Yeah, I'm sure. Let's say I'm Tevin Campbell. Let's do it. Have you been listening to a lot of Heaven I've been listening to a lot of heaven, and I've just been gaining a lot of appreciation for heaven again, not only like the fact that he just was like so talented. Can we talk is one of the greatest songs ever period forever? It's just literally always good. I'm ready, also another hit, but he also did the voice of. The songs for a goofy movies. Yes, yeah, and he's. That's why those contracts go the fuck off. He's power line. That's why that's why it's good. 'CAUSE Tevin Campbell is power line. He's great. I think it's a great choice to. And I just specifically have been sort of 'cause another thing I've been doing during this period, I think reba coming my mother and I'm listening to like music that she would listen to when like weekly in the house or like when she just needed to relax, and it's a lot of like nineties in be and Gospel and I'm just going to say this like. Like. They don't make music like they used to. Men had to hide their sexuality. Like didn't like. That's the reason why all these men are mumbling, because they're like so publicly allowed to just like be horrible that they don't have to internalize anything in their spirits and their voices. If they did if they had things to suppress right, we would, we would have some talent again. Is what I believe so. Obviously for like society progressively, we're open and better, but I don't know. Plus talking about how our MBA isn't as good anymore. Do you want to hear thought? I had last night as I was falling asleep. And I I was like I have to remember to talk to Iowa about this. Yeah, of course. Do you think Khalid is a black ED, Sheeran? Wow. Wow. You really wanted, said it did because open. Legis lectures, think about it. This kind of dresses like the normal person in the world. Yeah, people are obsessed with him. For some reason I don't totally understand yes, and kind of just like music that is maybe slightly better than average in kind of genre. That doesn't get a lot of play like Yup. Yup It's just like it's like the women who are making our NBA right now are operating such a high level that guess and the men are just kind of like. If you step up a little bit, you're like Oh my God and that's like Ed. Sheeran pop music and ALCOHOL NEXT KHALID IN R&B space. That's like kind of are in. Be Yeah. But it also him being like. Taking long drives I'm a teenager like yeah. Yeah not believed to step it up i. that's kind of what I need. I just need the boys to step it up, I know. I don't know. How that's GonNa Happen. I don't know what this will require of me. US an hour. You can put that burden on yourself. Do This I. Just feel like we need to get the work done, and nobody's doing it so. I actually think it is incumbent on me to do something about it. I don't know why. But. That's how I feel right now. My friend cap was this video. He ever seen it was called black men united, and it was like a supergroup made up of all of the the men in our in be no, and they basically did like this song called. You will know and It was written by Deangelis. This was like nine, hundred, ninety, four or five, and is also. It was in the movie. Jason's lyric if you remember. And This is what holes in pocket like we should know about, but anyways so like Angelo wrote. The song didn't sing on it when he Kravitz played. The Guitar didn't sing on it because this was like before. He was like fully Lenny Kravitz, and like elder barge was in it. Brian. McKnight boys to men. I'll be sure Joe Keith Sweat h town, or can we assure Tony Tony Tony? So crazy, what stokely Williams of mint condition silk like. All, these guys coming together and the song. All the proceeds went to like five different. Organizations like. It just like it just doesn't exist in kind of collective mile. It's like why do I know about? We are the world on Jewish. You will know from Jason's lyric. I'm not asking for much I'm just asking for the for this to happen again. I'm asking for the boys to put it together in Tevin. Campbell is in it if I didn't say it so timing. Circle. Yes, in anyway, so how do we get that again? I. Don't know but I realized that I wanted to switch my icon. Because you reminded me of someone who I think is really important. I remind you of you reminded me of the person on my block. Who plays something in common by Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown every single day. Every single day at eleven thirty, a M, something in common by Whitney Houston and Bobby, Brown. It is the full time I'll be a zoom meeting. Be like. Here I'll hear Bobby Brown. Be Anything that. Like every single day and you know ultimately I'm grateful Sometimes I I assume they my head. It's all the same person but I think this person also really like Mariah. 'cause sometimes easier, mariah joy, and it's like you got. That makes sense yeah. Eighty something to get you started. I did like I have been like because I can only sort of here. It's the songs like it. Feel like sometimes they're closer sometimes. They're further away shore But I do every time terms they're closer, and sometimes they're further away. I feel like they're in their car. Maybe they're like parking it in a different. Social but sometimes I do like I'll hear it. I'll be like I. WanNa hear this in fall and I am reminded of what a great song says and they get really sad about when he he used in Bobby Brown. Why. Why you said. At talented. Don't we do this? Tells it I know I know she's really talented can ruined her life. Ben! Okay I am going to make you go watch the Whitney Houston Bobby Brown Bravo TV series. And we'll, we'll just kind of will circle back. Okay if you insist. You. Hate right do that so rude. A rude to Whitney and you know that. I will. Not particularly some things. I know very concretely in some. I don't. Well Olivia Time, don't you? Oh, yeah, I'm excited for this because I picked someone. Who If you read the episode? You already know who it is, but it's not because I think that they're an icon. It's because I wanted to have a discussion. About what makes an icon four? You say that as well I'M GONNA. Say, we've done episodes like this before. We're GONNA. Have to splice this. Is this just rearranged the time of this? Goes straight into it. We got to give the people a little preamble. Okay we can cut this no Liz circle back. We're GONNA. We're, GONNA keep. You gotta go. The People Preamble Hooker to say last time we did these we did a series and our series was sick and this series. It's better just to say our series music. And this series. Directors yes. Film directors specifically, specifically kind of other directors I dunno television refer newsradio creative. Creative directors happy. Life is a lot of pot is who have fought is longer. So Olivia you pick, did director in order to have a discussion? Yeah, with me of all people. Thank you for the honour your way. I always I always pick you to have a conversation. Got To be blushing. yeah, do you want me to say who it is I would please live. WHO's your icon? Okay? The person I want to talk about is wait before you say that actually you have to say what they We actually told each other. Who are icons were before. Knows no I forgot Oh. Okay. I picked Noah Baumbach, all yeah. Lord. That's that's the reaction. I wanted to hear Oh lord here. We go so Olivia. I ask you the question that. Often you're the Daska guest. When did you first realize this prison? Was that I got to you. Okay I would like to I, would like to go back to my original point, which is often times on this show. People pick someone. Who is like? Is is like. I don't know I feel like sometimes we will pick people, and we will get into this position not to get like Meta about the show, but like we'll be position where someone is like so passionate about someone that we can't like. it's hard to be objective. It's hard to be objective, and it's hard to be like. No, I. Don't think that person is an icon because you're like sitting literally right next to them, and it's like lung but like I think no someone who is like right. On the precipice and like could go either way. Just in the mid until I just wanted to like talk about him. I wanted to kind of like explore our thoughts especially now because he's just so classically like. Like like an arty white boy in at a I'm where I think we are maybe kind of turning away from that culturally and so so that's kind of the groundwork from which I'm operating, okay but to answer your other question i. think either. The first time I really like got into him was When I saw Francis Ha. So a little late in the game, yes, I was a rolling her eyes right now. I was rolling. Her is the first time I saw. Frances Ha. I. This is the first movie that I fell asleep to in theater. Is the first movie I was shocked. I. What I say. Supposedly. Okay and then I had to watch it again and I was like I get it. You Talk to me about your finances. Haas story my. Story is that it was like the girls got one. Listen if you went to specifically. Francis came out like right when we got to Nyu. So I saw France Ha in a nearly empty theater. IFC AT IFC center like a week after moving to New York and so I was really like. Oh, well feeling it, yes, of course, and then I think I kind of worked backwards, and I think that like some of his movies are really great and I think some of them are a piece of shit, and then I think I think people are really like. into like how him and Greta 's whole like. Psychosis. Yeah exactly, and there's also like some juicy dirt to talk about with Noah. Because well, we can get into it. You can get into it very sure, but let's talk about the work I sort of where we start. Yes, so you saw Frances. Ha and you're like. My Dude, my dude. Yes, I was like my dude, and then I was like oh! Greta did a lot of that words. That kind of like Mars like the Francis Hive everything but. I think I went backwards in. You know squid in the way all kind of a great movie. Kicking and screaming, which is actually my favorite? Have you seen kicking and screaming? A has nuking screaming? Okay, so kicking and screaming to me is kind of like a perfect Noah Baumbach movie, because absolutely nothing happens and. White people complaining the whole time. There's no like. The at no point. Is he trying to like pretend? It's anything other than that grant ever trying to be like Oh like this is a movie like. About something more, it's like like marriage. Story is great like it's I think it's because the best ones are all the really like personal ones I can't watch like. Meyrowitz stories like that doesn't feel about a mistress. America I hate it. That movie I miss so boring and like. I think it's like poorly written, and it doesn't really have a point. Wow, didn't you just say you liked with? No, but. Here's the thing. Is that like I? There are there is a difference to me between like a movie, not having a point in a movie, being kind of like purposefully less okay, which is what kicking and screaming is kicking. His screaming is about the period of your life after college. Where you don't know what's going to happen, and you just sit instead of taking any action. Yeah, and so the fact that the movie just sits makes perfect sense to me. It's like like those like three Whit stillman movies have kind of the same energy where it's like Oh of course. These like New York debutantes. Of course nothing is like sort of really happening here. It's because they're rich, and there's like no point to like making them. Go on like a big. Discovery Journey. Yeah, that's like not what would happen. It's like that kind of. The kind of like hyper realist, right which I think is why it makes so much sense that he's like friends with Anti Baker. They're like two who like who both are very specific about like. This is how it sounds when people talk to each other in real life, and this is what like real life is like, and then like sometimes something we'll get like tweaked a little bit in a way that like makes it pop yeah. But I think it's so. It's so funny how I really do love any Baker, and I'm like I. Get any Baker I don't mind sitting in a theater for two and a half hours. Oh baby make it through. The long version of Three and a tackle next is Peter Seven three hours maybe. I don't mind and then I think a lot of bombeck does make me feel. Irritated! I don't know. I think maybe part of it. Is this frustration rhyme like? Cod like you can just be. You can literally just be Noah above back. You can be born and raised in New York and a lovely life, and then you know it's like existential, erode dreads, and anxieties and frustrations, and then like record that and everybody's like. Wow, but it's but a lot of other people don't get to do that. like racing like last black men in San Francisco, which wasn't even like that. Aimless honestly, but I remember seeing it with a white friend, and and I was like Holy Shit I loved this movie and they're like it's okay. It's just like any other art movie. I was like one of you seen. that. It's like there's no like I think I. Think like a similar thing is like there's no black link later I. That doesn't exist right of just like a black like. Hang out movie. doesn't really. Has Had I'm trying to think if there is one 'cause they're like romantic. There's like a light black movies, but there are no lake Lake? League wears a black like slacker or like a black squid, and the whale or I don't know I mean I don't. Like I feel like black movies have to be so high concept like pretty much. You have to be able to like really sell it in the room. Yes, in order dead it made. Think been in the. Room in like pitching stuff, but it is like you do have to have a certain element like and this will speak to X. Y. and Z. and that blood Buddha do like but I also wonder if there's a thing to of like. Atlanta's has tonal like totally jarring, and like weird moments in like has comedic heightened nece. That kind of has been to me. The glimpses of like the closest like here are just black, hanging out or Speak and that I think is also part of why. It is so resonant and like felt so. Cool Ray. It is just like it's like scenes of Atlanta where they're just like hanging out. Yeah, just like very kind of quietly like astounding, because it is like none of the none of the dialogue is like heightened at all. No one feels like they're like. It never feels you know win like. You were I I. Don't want to spoil anything that we can cut this if we want, but we are going to talk about Hollywood shuffle. At a certain point and it, but it never like an on Atlanta. It never feels like we've pushed some kind of like. We've never pushed Oh. Yale School of drama. Actor into like something that felt like flat or like one dimensional. You know how sometimes you can tell when like a black actor is better than the work that they're being put into. Like like. Biology Davis in the help is like no, you're like you're so much better than yes I'm just. Yeah, I mean. This is also me thirsting after Jonathan Majors emotionally, but like he's somebody who's career. I'm so excited to see because he also like he used to be like you know. Little! Whatever's like he was white boy? Rick at that. Ruby hostels valuable remembers that. He was just like up in these flicks. And now it's like Oh my okay like you're getting to do work that like you're just as good as or if not better and like you're GonNa be in these really exciting things, which is cool, but also then I kinda I guess it goes back to what you were saying where it's like okay, but now you're doing like these big things like. Yeah I I wonder too I feel that there are. I mean there are a black character actors obviously, but like I feel like how the way that in the indie scene there. These white actors who are revered for being in. Indy spaces like like. There's there's no lack Parker Posey. I was GONNA. Say there's no black Adam driver, but like. The there's no one who like flips between. Do, Star, wars, and then go off and do like a Noah Baumbach movie or Or like do like a Jim Jarmusch. Movie Right doesn't happen yet, and there's no like there isn't. And maybe I'm wrong, but like there's mumble core like that doesn't know exists. The closes maybe we have is Atlanta and like sometimes insecure, but I was. Like, no, it's so heightened and be like comedy. And in like we want this to be a pallet, not held, but like this it unfortunately is already speaking for something, so can't go back and suddenly be like low key, and the thing about nobody movies is like. There aren't. There aren't always like jokes, but there are characters who are funny, but in the world though realm of the movie, So if you're you're laughing, because someone said something, be like funny on purpose or array and there are. There are like jokes, but it's like much more. Like I feel like that is Rarer. Like it's not like insecure is like this is a comedy. Going to. Like, like Isa on insecure isn't like. A FUNNY! Like Molly is not like fun fun, not necessarily know, but does funny. Is Is. Can. Show. I also to your point I think the closest thing we have to your black. Adam driver is Daniel Clear. Yeah the closest thing. But even that. Yeah. Like, what is there no Columbia? Ben recently also well. He's like producing. In Cleveland is the last thing and he's going to do that. Fred Hampton projects so now he's not going to be are black and I'm Dr Ray Moore because he's doing bio-pics. He's becoming Chadwick God and. We've really lost. Chadwick yeah of course. We lost him I. Don't know what happened. Is the thing off wear happened? Chadwick I just think of those pictures with him. Like is absolutely dead doing to do what condo forever. It's like Oh. Baby was it worth it. There was one video where he was at like at HCC. You and he's like well. You know people like do it. Do it and he's like we'll. Veritas is mile, and he doesn't anything like the cameras gone, and you just see the light. Just leave. I wish I could tell him that he's very good in it. Yeah, of course, do listen, this is the thing is the Marshall of situation you take the check you lose your soul. What do you do? Immersion agreed book was yourself so that you've got to cleanse and do Rami, after Chadwick didn't WanNa, do do a road dropped. He didn't want to do Miss Judy so now. He lost his soul. Bro Chadwick Not Chadwick Mahershala winning the Oscar for green book, and just having to like get up there and be like. This is embarrassing. y'All. So funny months of people being like this movie is racist and him just being like. And also immediately after being like this movies, races decided to take a check. I didn't really realize that go far. I'm so crazy. Do you okay I'm GonNa try to steer this. Ship back I think we're going to keep kind of digging into this well, but are there any? Movies you do like I love the squid and the whale, the first time I saw the squid and the whale I was blown away I. thought it was so beautiful. I thought it was that they were Iowa's like. Obviously. There's something happening. There's plot. Conflicts and it's clear what the conflict is. It's like not. We but in this conflict there's all these small weird moments happening because every character is like fully is fully fleshed out and a real person and complicated and weird and I like sobbed during the credits Oh my God. I mean and listened. Family household. My parents are divorced while defied but. I. It was beautiful. No, it's as a someone whose parents are divorced it that shit hits like so crazy of just being like of of them like starting together and also I feel like I was kind of like a same, the same Ish Ages Jesse Eisenberg in that movie by parents got divorced and so. There's this whole thing of it happening when you're a teenager where you're like. How I'm like I, have to the adult here like. I have to like figure this out and then Jeff. Daniels is so good in that movie. Really Really Good Anna. Pack Win Holding it down a little freak over Laura Linney I! Love Laura Linney. You and I both. Are I think we said this? Before? Where we see Laura Linney and we wish that she was somebody else i. Who It's, it's just like I. Think I wish she was like Who Do I wish it was. My first thought was Patricia. Clarkson but I. Don't think that's really it. Book I. Think it's a Julianne Moore maybe maybe I just I just never, I see Laura I'm not excited, and the no I feel bad, yeah. I often wish she was just like somebody else I kind of sometimes wish you was Oh, what's her name now all? What's her live Helen. Hunt? Really, no not Helen Hunt. Other one. Bonnie Bonnie Hunt. Known Bonnie Oh Lord. What's her name? The southern one? Oh. Sir. Mary, Fuck Kill Holly Hunter Bonnie Hut. Wow. Mary Fuck, kill. Mary Holly Hunter Fuck Helen Hunt. Kill Bonny Hunt. Answer Yeah. I'll repeat cheaper by the dozen. Cheap what into. One End to one and to what are how Bonnie Hoods Doing Arthur? She's probably challenge yet. Show for awhile. By Hunt Show, it was awesome cock. Show I think. I'll what channel NBC I believe? Really now yeah, and if. You don't think of Bunny. Hunters Simone people will be like you should watch that show, but it happened. Guess people looking out for her best good. Long! She's got people looking out for her. That's what matters to body leads. But Yeah I really Love Square in the wheel, and also I think that. Listen. I saw that I saw marriage story and I was like I. Feel like you said if you had to say about divorce was good bewail. Well Okay I. DO Think I. do think those movies are interesting together because it's like one is so clearly drying from his parents, divorce and one is so clearly drying. Orally and PSYCHOTIC psychotically merged. And it's good in the whale. It's like there is like. I think that the the like similarities between those two movies are just as interesting as the differences between those two movies where it's like the the Noah Baumbach stand in. In those movies like. Or at least the movie itself like the movie himself kind of like. Has so much? I don't WanNa. Say Love, but it kind of is cares for each of the people in. Relationship. Yes, absolutely and even in marriage story when they're like literally screaming at each other, it's like. I personally, whereas like out people in we were like stay may everyone that movie makes your hand look like a bitch and I was like I. Don't know if we watch the same. Yeah movie like I think it, it takes like. So much care to to like make a movie. That isn't just like Kramer versus Kramer where it's like the MOMS split. A movie about like the Dad. Even good in the world. It's like the dad is kind of goes off the rails, but like. There's so much like the main characters still. It's like his parents, so there's still like so much love going in both directions still remember. Laura dern won an Oscar for marriage story, okay? She wanted Oscar for taking off her jacket in the courtroom. I. Think that that's crazy. I love resolved thinking that that's crazy. That's one of those things though where it's like so obvious that it was like. Okay so Laura dern has little women and marriage store in the same year. We've never really given hurt Oscars alike now. We're just GONNA. Go ahead and give it to her. Yeah, yeah, he also is kind of incredible, and that's where she meets. Scarlett Johansson she. She was often like on the couch was if it was between her and Joe Joe Rabbit that Ed. I'm glad it was her. There was no one one that's Jewish in unless unless we gave it to Ford's Pew. Even no one really no one wins when the family pews. You? Yeah Yeah I know Do you. WanNa talk speaking of marriage story to talk about Noah. Baumbach messy. Life I think it's. I think it's time. Men really just give just be hot to people. This is putting if I pulled this mess. Eighty so crazy, also because it's like. He's not that high he. Hit. Was Normal Looking motherfucker. Book more. Looks like if Jason Schwartzman. Like if you if you say on the edges of Jason Schwartzman him look more normal. Just like why are these women like? Why is bigger with breaking up a marriage? Okay, I should say allegedly breaking up a marriage, because the allegedly bringing up alleged the the official party line is that they did not start seeing each other until after Noah. Baumbach left a pregnant Jennifer. Jason Leigh. That being that's that's still not good. That being said I'm more realistic. Timeline is that he was cheating on? Jennifer Jason Leigh with Greta Gerwig while she wall cement while they were making Greenberg, which is a movie that people fucking love for some reason it makes so deeply uncomfortable. By podcast they'll be fry wrote an article about Greenberg that. I'll never forgive I love her and respect her. Never forgive her for that Greenberg article. Okay podcast, David Sims is also fucking obsessed with Greenberg loves. It loves the Shit. Is One of those things I'm like I'm missing the point. I don't think so though, but I think I just don't love Greenberg and I'm allowed to be like no, and that's kind of one of the interesting things I. Think about no back where it's like. You know because he's like a white Oh tour. He's allowed to like. Do kind of all these different things where it's like where it's like. Some of his movies I'm like this is brilliant us in some of his movies. I'm like I hate this like while we're young, is actually like one of the worst movies I've ever seen and was going to ask you about that. We'll get to it, but then. They're like Meyer would. Story does good but like. And then there's ones where I'm like. Do I just not get what's going on here? Yeah? What am I follow this on Francis? I mean obviously for you know whatever, but that was definitely one of the ones where I was like am I. Not Getting it or do I and I get that that I get that. This isn't for me and so I just don't and I and I also think it's interesting because I'm like I sometimes I can't tell because people love to be like Noah back does the same thing every time and I'm like if that were true, all of these movies would be more consistently like one way or the other and like I could tell if I'm stupid or those people are stupid hard. It's hard you. Will just this point of not knowing if you're stupid or not, that's incredibly hard. I also I will say like I mean like. 'cause I. Just heard myself say it's not from me, which also I mean like you and I have talked about it before. Probably on pods like listen I love movie. Everybody's white. Oh, I'll eat that. Shit off this list. Some movies should be all white. People shouldn't just be all white people, and that's five totally fine. Thank you, thank you I. Say I. In our young is not one of those movies though. which just the thing is not one of those reimbursed is not one of those movies like the fact, even that like marriage story is like that is insane yeah? I wasn't Regina King. Laura dern. An interesting that like who is the Parker? Posey black people visit hall. Thing though is that like. There they're they're truly maybe is only one. Parker Posey like I. Don't know if you could like cast that maybe. Maybe, Gabrielle. Like wall heard. that. She's a fucking free yeah. That's I think Regina Hall is the closest. Regina Hall is probably he's one of our most public black Weirdos yeah. Would think about it. We'll think about it. Hey. Powell's IT's Libya and. And we all have stuff they were dealing with especially now. Who doesn't it is time for therapy? Guys I've been in therapy more than once in my life, but my current stretch were about a year in, and it's just like why go off. Yeah, very a year in with my girl my girl who's age. 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Have you seen? Why did I get married, too? You know of telling the truth. But like it is just the thing of like I mean backed like link late. Link later does the same thing. Where why are these movies? So why or there'll be like one blackberries in it and it's not. Like, yeah, it's just like. It doesn't seem hard like people love to be like the like we just couldn't find someone who is like like. This was the most talented than we could find and. Simply can't I know that's not true. I know that's not true. Especially when I'm looking at all these beautiful light skinned Broadway girls I'm like you're telling me you can, if I won light-skinned to see haired girl with big beautiful is even. among the kids are alright like they were like Oh. Yeah, Yeah Yeah. The kids are alright. The kids are alright while we're young. No I'm talking about just the concept of wedging. A black person. Yeah. We found one. Because! It's just like. I mean and this is about like so many movies especially like indie movies where it's like you're just gonNa like either do nothing or dislike wedge someone in and it's. It's like this just tells me what your personal life is like. Like, this just tells me that when you hang out with your friends, it's. All White People Yup. that. You gotta whether there's a one black person at the wedding who's like? Over. Get to get out of here God. That anyway, yeah, do. Over all, do you think? Noah. Baumbach is net, good or net bad or are like fully net neutral, because like I also feel like I am. You are probably like? Biased either way because everyone in New York. I don't know what it's like an la, but everyone I hang out with the New York. Like has some kind of opinion about it. I think. Somewhere in between that neutral on that good. 'CAUSE, we didn't even talk about like Metro Graph. He's an. Angel investor and that is so crucial that is is. So important. I think he does like just in terms of like the New York like film space and seen does good. or Means well. Something I don't think he does harm. Yeah, on the does harm and he's got. He's got some hits. He's has when needs. He has things to say and I. Don't know exactly what they are, but every now and again. I'm like I. Like the way that you said this. So I think that's something. Positive I feel like my answer. Is that? I mean I can't. We can't verdict already. It's too early to. Know. But. I think it's net neutral a good I don't know. Where do you stand I mean? I think I like I like more of his movies than you do, but like yes Yes. But like I just I can't really shake the fact that he is whether he wanted to or not become like the poster boy for like. Like successful White Indie film. which as like? Joe Swan Berg like crawled, so he can do. and. It's like that flip Tuck. It's like it's Oh God. We could talk about jobs Waldberg. Joe's Weinberg if you think Noah, Baumbach has problem. I'm the boss. Still Trust me. Shackles on my on my life. There's one we're in Chicago Baby. And even Boston. No, he's like deep, Chicago. WHO's from Boston. I don't know it's are the DUPE LOSSES FROM BOSTON? The do pauses in classes like houses in New York. I mean in Detroit or something. Texas whatever. Is Andrew Badjao Ski I messed up just Momberg. I'm alright. Buzz off the fact that we like. Just, then all of those guys who like who are like kind of in the same vein, and it's just like. I Dunno Perry makes more interesting movies, but it's still like. It's all kind of the same. I don't know if that like movement is net pause. Yeah, it does feel this is the thing it's like. It's done so little for me. But I also, it's made spaces. I think in done interesting things like especially. When like you know okay, you're do classes your lynch. Shelton's for example rested. FROG. Power vows bad bitch like she is she especially? Who else maybe like I don't know like Aaron sooner. Yeah, like Aaron Cats or whatever? Those are people who have done positive things when they branch out to like TV You know unlike these other spaces. I also am wake. I'm thinking. At first in my head. I was like well. Maybe it's good that like someone created a blueprint, and then I was like actually. Like if I were director, I wouldn't want someone to be like. She's like the Black Noah Baumbach like that is not the like. I would want to. Of that for you. So hey was. Right it is like the the like you know. We want to create our own spaces, and like exactly things whatever. The Masters House the master's tools et CETERA. Look at you right now. Destroy the masters metric graph with the masters. Red Camera! You! Can merely hit you. A lawyer Egg. Charlotte added to the candle. They got going into the metric graph bathrooms. Good his house house, delicious delicious. A gorgeous place. I would love to make a metro graph one day. My Hope, my one of my dream. Projects, is like opening A. Style place you and I are the same thing, not another bus our original. Dreams. No, and there isn't like one in like I. Dunno, like Chicago or like. I just think that like for what was it? You can go to Chicago. Yeah, you know Chicago I. Guess You do yeah, read though you know I am a Chicago ten. Who Thrives there, so it's true. Wolf A. Closely will simply say. Yes. Yeah I don't know just like. I think he does good. Things or maybe interesting things yeah I guess it is causing me to reflect on just like mumble core as a whole. Right it's like what. What did that, do they? Yeah. What did we get from it? I mean it just felt. Different. In a way I mean it just felt like to me feels like to me. Like this extension of A different extension of privilege like not only. Is it a privilege to be able to have stories about everything? Like about being space or Or. Your, Yet so so, that was like not only. Can you have these stories about like all these big things, but you can have about nothing. As well. Yeah I mean. I don't know I feel like also like that's. The thing is like mumble core films I've personally so few of them. Do I actually feel like. I've enjoyed or like to me. Yeah, but the films. that. Inspired, mumble core may be. Like girlfriends. Or Sex lies and videotape or clerks or slacker like. Those I really enjoy right. That sounds to me where it's like. It's like to be like inspired by the same things. I'm sure there are pupil who were like you know probably the same age as you're like Schwammberger near do pauses, or whatever who just like weren't white men who were also inspired by clerks, also inspired by slacker, just like didn't know people who had like one hundred thousand dollars to right. I mean like I love Andrew. Just Sumo, who's like a Nigerian photographer and director and he did this film mother of George that. Is just. Yeah to me also feels like. Kind of Like an interesting like offshoot of mumble like of. Mumble core, but is like just set in like very very firmly rooted in like the Nigerian immigrant story, and that's the other thing. Is that like I'm sure someone listening will be like. They're actually missing like these movies, but it's like. That sure that's great, but also those kinds of movies aren't classified under mumble court like mumble for like implicitly. Yes, White Viking. Just kind of like how it is, and if it's like, if like a black prison made it the again, they'd be like. Oh, it's A. it's a black Noah Baumbach. It wouldn't be like. Noah Baumbach. What people don't really compare him to anyone ray? He's not like. It like if anyone, it's wit silman, but that was like five years before he was working. That's not as A movement instead of being like this is a one to one comparison and the only difference race. Yeah! Damn. That's real. That's real it is. Yeah, I mean I. Don't know it's like I feel like. Even like Wyatt's. Like buried Jenkins and all these who like you're not totally aging, but like yeah like this. There's a generation of like black. Tours. Like medicine for melancholy. Just like you know is definitely like that's like close close. It is just like people like walking around right, but there probably is some sort of sort of sort of like. If you looked it up some article, you know that Slake Barry Jenkins the black. Book or whatever taking a stab at this it's like. That's why I think we've done. We find ourselves like forced to like. Make these own. Like are like yeah, we just have to keep making work for ourselves Kogo. Nobody's got like I don't know as I. It's like you have to make if you want to like. I don't know it feels like why people either have to make lake. Edano like. Just, you know you're like. like the best man or whatever or you have to make like completely singular works like you have to know like kind of middle ground writings, and and then we also. Be like that's like the sign that we did it, yes. And like or like only recently are like. Do we have like Black Panther or creed, or these birds super high budget high grossing. Like And I'm sure like to some extent, also just thinking about the making space I'm sure like you know Andrew but. Like you know Joe Swartberg, and all these guys were like. We have to make space for ourselves because if you are. Like us you can like. They want us to make these big showy movie. Sweeping drop dramas and we don't want to. We WanNA do these intimate. Scenes or whatever and then it just comes down to capitol like. Comes down to being able to have someone who will be like. Here's a couple hundred thousand dollars like your movie. I mean yeah, it's like an even. Like. Black Independent. Filmmakers. It is like that. Somehow that's its own. That's it's own. Jonah or something like is, but it's not. But it is. It's like these little blips like there's not a feels like the idea like movement hasn't really right. It's up. Capital, yeah, exactly it's like with like with the whole white indie scene there like tears in their like classes of it and like there are people who like who are like. We all came together Bob La like the whole pocket of women who do it who are always like? Pet respite does Luna's grew like that does make sense like Kelly? Reichardt has to like wait ten years between every movie or whatever like? but it's still like that kind of. Group I feel like doesn't exist as much and we're. We're only talking about black. People wear the like whereas next mumble Korea's like Asian monk. For Yeah. I mean, and there is like. More quote Unquote Asian mumble core. If you actually go to Asia where they are doing their own thing, saying sue is. Bad at making a slowly, but like American core like not a thing right and not something. That's really. Seen like seen or in a genre I, don't think of like. You know there's definitely. Like Queer. Movies than I think of like pariah, which is like a black film, and then like saving face which is like you know. Asian, American story or whatever, but then it's it's that same thing it's like we're these tiny little moments in these. Big sweeping big sweeping movements like that. Yeah, that it's kind of like okay well, let's just make what's. Let's just keep on truckin. I do wonder if now obviously you know everything going on, it feels like. People are going to be hyper aware and it'd be like now. We're going to promise to put. At least half of the movies this year. Make them by people of Color, and it's like okay, but who's going to help them. Make it right. It's also it's like it's so the and this is happening. You know like everywhere in every single industry where they're like. We're more focused on like you're going to be more diverse in our hiring or whatever and it's like. The studio if the exacts if you're not gonNA like like, burn the whole thing down and start over. It's like it's like it doesn't actually matter like and actually the film industry is like a good metaphor, 'cause. It's like cool if they're like more people like in front of the camera like that's great, it's again that is let's say like ten percent of the operation, the other ninety, also to get changed by that you should have like a black gaffer, or whatever late like you should have like black women in the hair and makeup changed to like do. Women's hair and make no talk about that for a while while while like. Yeah! It needs I mean yeah. I mean even like all most of the light increase if you go on a set. Like most of the light increased like the cruise. Even if there are people of color in them there like by the same white guy yeah like. Across each state who is probably Republican and like really scary. And just like you can I mean even if you put like black people in your movie. If you're shooting at night and you don't know how to light them, it's GonNa look like Shit like I'm so pervasive like so many different ways, and it's why like when Barry. Jenkins or Jordan, Peele makes a movie and we're like. Wait a minute. Why does this look incredible? Yeah, tagged because you like the way movies was based on how white people look on film like? Historically like that is why. Lights are set up the way they are so like. Getting you have burn the whole shutdown. It's interesting to me also just like I mean I don't know. Yeah, we do. Yeah, we actually have to burn everything down actually really fascinating to me and and kind of then yeah, I agree. I don't know I had a thought. And then it sort of food out of my head sort of bravely, but I but I agree. Okay well, Olivia! Should we play a quick little game of Fuck Mary Kill Yeah? Okay. We talked about bombeck both so much and so little. I think it's like this is actually kind of what I wanted to talk about. Because I do think he's like representative, he's like the most successful representative of a whole thing. Right that I wanted to talk about, and it's like. Can Something Be Lake? Iconic or even just like good while also being like. A microcosm of like kind of a structural issue It's it's. It's also like I. Feel Like I. Don't WanNa. Come across as being like. Yeah now. None of these movies should be successful in these men are just like getting a exactly not being talented, because that's not what I agree. Win as well like it's like it's like such a a nuance thing where. I love love. Love. Richard Linklater does put book for people of Color and movies absolutely. Not at all, he put that one little Hispanic boy in boyhood as a token. Isn't this awesome the? Then, we awarded Patricia Arquette and we said Thank you. Thank, you queen for teaching that boyhood or read, or whatever like we could manager restaurant like? Go Off I. Do love that movie that that's the other thing is like. Yeah, obviously, we saw that movie at the same exact time. We also moved to New York. Doesn't help that. The boy in boyhood is our age. It's like I'm just GonNa Watch myself grow up here of course and cry while I do it. Okay Andrew was entering the chat to say his daughter who was in it is again. Richard Linklater has a Mexican daughter. Her name's Olivia I. Think Oh. That's nice. She is passing though so. Now. I'm saying. I still he'll the same anyway. Anyway though though I guess like Thanksgiving once again. But. Yeah, this, there's How to say it. Had to say it something systematic afoot. Dramatic this way come, thank you. That was what I was going to say. I like that. We said it together. Yeah Damn Fuck Mariko Fuck Mary Kill Okay Reno, and as we explain decisions, we can get into these things more, or and even more and more and more. Whatever Joy! Well Fuck Mary kill. We can do it few different ways. But. We can do a film version okay? Okay then, that's what it is okay. Okay I think I got it okay. Fuck Mary Kill A-. Greenberg. Wall were young. Marriage story. I going to take a I wasn't going to pick. The best one I was GONNA say Greenberg while we were young. Meyrowitz stories okay I was also going to do Meyrowitz stories when I was like we should throw in maybe a good one. Let's do Meyer would stories. Let's do. This sucks of course. Of course it does. okay. All toxic. Okay I think I have A. Fuck while we're young. because. You know I feel like I've already had sex with the physical embodiment of while. We're young and I just like know what to expect. Like some like Gross Brooklyn Shit share also the seen in while we're young. Were they all throw up because they're doing Iowa Oscar in some like home in Brooklyn. Grows kind of funny And then. I? Guess I-. I- Mary Meyrowitz Stories? I guess like I guess I'm kind of like there for like I. Really don't like watching Adams and learn that movie. He's in that like mode of doing dramatic, or he just made me really uncomfortable and get okay but the the woman plays sisters really good in that movie so like cool. Go Off And I'm obviously killing Greenberg. I can't do it I hate it. I would be happy uncomfortable with any other option well. Okay? The sucks. It sucks so much. I'm GonNa also marry Meyrowitz stories like doable. JUST HAS TO BE DOABLE I think. Though. This bad. Verdoux. That is so perverted of you. Happens because he moved to La. We. Both picked our respective coasts like I. What happened. That's literally what happened, Phil. That's where I'm living right now. Sure that's how I feel. He has a pool that has a pool and swim in the pool and like I mean it ends any it ends. You know and so nothing I likely tortured old man obsessed with. Briefly. I think that's what it has to be right now. Okay I respect I. Respect Your reasoning there, thank you. Thank you? Thank you I really. Thank you are you know? I'm giving you a virtual handshake. Looking something up right now, what are you doing? Sorry. I got a text. I got it. Because I might be. Fun. Okay! Okay, let's bring it to final words. Okay any last words I guess I'll start. Since you know Tis, your pick and I'll let you close it out, go. I think that's somebody can be a pillar. Of something I think somebody can be. Can Be important. You know can be a figure. And can connote something in history, but. I. I don't know if that makes them an icon. And I think. I get that he is definitely like the poster boy of this moment. Movement and has been the most successful and also been successful in a way where it doesn't mean that he. Waters down what he does or. You know changes as well because I think that's also the that we like connotes success. Right as you do your long enough to then do the thing that everybody else wants to do and like still been steadily doing his thing. which I think is very cool and very respectable. Thank. You didn't go off to make like Spielberg movies are. Big, budget, he and he's not just like directing episodes of like Prestige TV hacking it up for the night time, and being like okay good I did it. That being said. We talk about I and also listened like we've. Had people on our episodes. They just like gathered icon, and sometimes. We're like well, maybe not exactly. And I think. bombeck might be exactly actually for me. I think. I think he just might not be. An icon to me. I think I. Think I'll also like. Qualifying it as being like Ta, US is kind of important in this situation where. There are people. I'm friends with several of them are like who are like. Yes, this this man is an icon Lewis. Man is important to the history of cinema like this man's work can be like studied in schools. Follow Blah which like whatever? That that school for you. nyu school, the Tisch School of the arts for you But I think like. Yeah I! Don't I came into this being actually like no in my soul? That I don't think he's an icon but I. do know that we'll have like a good conversation about it. And like I think I, think something we kind of get tripped up on on. The show sometimes is like. Like someone like does good work like does that make them an icon and it's like. Now, it's like the reason. The the famous reason that Amy Adams isn't an icon. Like. Ask Good at her job, but there's like nothing. that. Like, like being good. Your job is like not enough like. Simply just like wow, Olivia the fucking scalding tea that. I just think it's like it's like I, don't know like. Art is one of those weird places where it's like when someone is Has Chosen it as their job, and then they're good at it. Where like? Wow incredible? And it's like when I show up to my job and I'm good at. People are like yeah. That's what we expected of you because you chose this as your job like. I mean like. Like. I think we're I don't know. I don't know I think more people in performance especially if they're like even a little good, just because it is like kind of like a hard thing to do, and they're so like public facing were quick to be like Yaas Quyen like. but it's I, you know. I! My like mailman is probably a better mailman than Noah Baumbach is a director like, but we just like. But like? I don't know. Just thinking aloud Wow Wow. I also have like a recently just been thinking about like standing, and like how it literally never ends well. Never ends about literally the point of the song. Stan is that it doesn't end well. We nevertheless. Nevertheless, we were like we spend like ten years being like. Yes, it's only good. And then we ended up with like celebrities, telling us who to vote for and thinking that was a good idea. This is all our fault or This podcast part of the problem. Is. Episode. I think it's like a good to you know. Question these things. That being, said I. Did spend like a lot of time this week. Looking at those pictures of Tim show on a yacht with that woman. Yeah, Guitar like I'm not GonNa like stop doing that by the time this comes out. They honestly could be allow. Oh, yeah, absolutely sure, probably publicly having sex with somebody. Of course that's. Crazy that that happened. Trap. Sorry to my my answer is No, I don't think he's an icon I think he's very smart. I think he's made a lot of really good movies. Yes, I think he's made. Some stinkers I've. Done things that are important. or notable in like film history. And should be commended. I'm looking forward to seeing what he credited with Barbie sure. Why not sure? Literally? Sure? Why not? Unlike. Listen like it might be incredible. Maybe so, but who knows I can't wait to see Barbie living in. Park Slope Going to her leg, copywriting job that isn't fulfilling like low key. If they end the McNeil Banger Barbie. That's about gentrification dairy actively. GO OFF! It is just going to be about like people being sexist. Barbie, though obviously Barbie, like I have it so hard and being like calm down means a beautiful, actually different type of sexism. Actually. It's so hard to be hot. And smart and have like five different jobs is actually hard to be a woman beautiful. It's really hard to be Margot Robbie. Did you really hard to be like the beauty standard for women? That's not fair. That's actually not fair. We celebrate. Instead. Go Off, thank you. Thank you, I'm ghost writing. Okay. How do we end these? Yeah I don't know. Can't like remember Edano. Oh yeah not really. I mean. I don't know if ever ended one by ending it. Well is this. Is this a new frontier for us? Should be dry. You know what Livia I. Actually have a room room. Idea okay. And I say. In honor of this and honor of this moment and making space. For. A burgeoning black in scene may be. Let's say how about we do have room. For Miss Regina Hall. Can we do it together? Yes, because okay, we need each other for this. Regina been doing any movies though Oh yeah. She been this. Oh, good and support the girl. She's so good support. The girls also do you remember people places Bay. Remember people places think she's got. She's. Remain clan climate gets it but Jemaine clement also gets it because he's like from new. Zealand, it's like a totally different thing that's. Of course if I have money and I get cast. Anyhow Casts Regina Hall. Let's get one minute on the clock. Okay. I've got one minute on the clock. Right wing CAST, infrared Gina. To to win her Oskar. Starting now. Okay I'm going to be brave and say it's for lead actress. I would also like that okay. I don't want it to be like historical at all. No, no no I think it should be honestly like lucky. She teams up with like a hot indie director like a pop, indie director or somebody. Like a really cool white woman like church helps her out. I do think fat who second cool white woman who could do it. Because that's also the trouble because I, mean we teach them up with Nicole? We definitely get her to indy spirits. I think I think we're we have to go is yet people people of you? How Little Women Lady Bird thing movies about women kind of like having a hard time, but I think like. If we if you make a movie about Pike, massage. Or whatever like a do think you could tee it up for like and a cat, but I also want her to be like fun. That's what honestly let seamer with the SAFDIE. Brothers I think this after. And the data me will feel bad about what's happened in the past, so they're going to book this to the Front. Okay, yeah okay, so we're getting in a full saftey adventure. Yeah, Oh, it's like a! It's like a caper. Yeah, I think it's like They've already done like diamonds like drugs I mean what if it's also about the police and like she's a policewoman, she's the policewoman. That's what yes. It's like also like mentally fucked because it's like you know safety like darkness. It's like as you're rooting for her. You're like realizing. She's the bad guy ten seconds. Okay? Okay, I think I. Think it's like her solving some kind of fucked up murder. Yes, A. Your saftey detected a Ha and then she probably realizes that like there's like some other cop. Involve yes, and leg so. Yeah affairs like okay, so let's wait. Hold on here, we go. She's also got a drinking problem. And, because also clemency shadow, Alfred Woodard who should have a nominated for stuff. They will get it. 'cause the times we live. We're past bio going I think it's a situation right? saftey dark murder fucked up murder. Almost kind of like internal affairs style where you think that she's rooting out the bad guy, but you realize that she's actually the one who's like the dirty cop, however, yeah. And it's also like she's a black woman, and so there's like scenes where she's walking by. You'll fuck twelve months. She has to deal with that so we've kind of are doing clemency again. 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Spider-Man: Far from Home Writers Considered Making Mysterio a <SPOILER>! - Movie Talk

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I I remembered it was just really that's my youtube the formal introduction that was supposed to happen fired him botched it some videos there every now and then you know he's got like seven accounts. I can't there's some accounts and they're all huge. Does it all right. Let's dig into this first story and I apologize in advance because it requires a lot of information to thi this one up so warning right now. We are talking spiderman far from home spoilers. If you have not seen the movie at this is not the story for you scroll ahead to Barbie that might be for you all right here we go spoilers in the final movie spiderman far from home mysterious has no powers at all with his shows of heroism being crafted solely using stark industries technology but in a very very early version of Spiderman far from home there was one more major reveal when it came to Mistero he was a scrawl our own Adam Chitwood recently spoke too far from home screen writers Chris Mckenna and Eric Summers and he asked them about crafting the scrolls roles reveal summers teas that a very early version of the movie featured mysterious as scrawl here is the specific quote he gave there were some early early versions of this movie where mysterious was a scrawl. There were a lot of scrolled versions of the story early Liane when you're doing a con artist movie what we finally landed on. We sat down and talked about. How do we keep on fooling the audience? How do we keep on having a lot of fun reveals? How many distractions can we get away with before people WANNA murder us? The mysterious scroll reveal was an early idea about why he was doing everything he was doing. So what do you guys think about this idea and are you glad that they wound up ditching. It is a fascinating idea because the scrolls are the good guys in this universe with what we saw revealed in the movie with talent with Soren being nick fury and Rehill in the movie so you're like well. Why would mysterious scroll attacking Spiderman that puts a whole another? Spin on the scrolls being part of this universe because now because secret invasion which is the storyline they might be exploiting face four is the scrolls come into earth with their ability to transform and shape shift into different characters. It looks like the cree are going to assume that with the technology from from stark industries that mysterious used so it would have in essence sparked the possibility of a civil war within the scrolls using the earth as the battlefield so it's interesting question for you this must this might be me. Misinterpreting Captain Marvel a little bit but is there any possibility that there's another subsection of the scroll <hes> the squirrel kind out there that they that let's say this mysterious scrawl could have been part of. I think there's certainly a possibility but they haven't showed it to us yet. So we can only work with what we've been given an captain marvel the scrolls turn out to be all good guys agree which is the reverse in the comics the cree or the good guys and the scroll of the shape shifting evil people in the secret invasion so this would have been interesting if they'd done this row because like I said essentially brings up a civil war on earth and you you know I love some wars on earth like transformers so that would have been possible. You know it wasn't until this article that I read this article that I realized that it was a con artist film like I didn't think that way and there was a lot of reveals along the way and I think that would have just been too much. I I think it was smart that they didn't do that because it would have been like just another layer and I'm like you did or did enough. I liked the movie as it is. I agree too. It's hard to weigh in so heavily when I don't necessarily know the future of the scrolls in the issue. I have my ideas you have taught me about sword so I do have a feeling they're heavy component up there with nick fury kind of maybe guiding them or even leading them to an extent but I keep thinking about what being a scroll could have done for mysterious what it could have been doing thing for Quinton Beck as a character and I can't find anything about that that would enhance him as a character and also served the M._C.. You overall versus what we got as a human being using stark technology. My first question was why why why this either reveal of Nick fury being scrawled in I mean as far as I know he's actually in the space station thing like but why I mean I'm sure we'll get an answer later on but it's just like the why like why did that have to be like how does that enhance anything you mean the ending of the million asking because Nick wanted to keep tabs on Spiderman to see what he could do. Tallis's obviously been working with nick for like three decades now since captain marvel or decades and so he's like figuring out what he can do on earth a nick fury can't be everywhere at once so him being up on sword is his way of protecting the earth while putting his people that he's worked with before down there plus a whole scroll crew. They're all going to be loyal to him so just in case this doesn't turn out so well need extra firepower. They have the scroll so that's what Nick Theory is doing. Is it wise we'll find out because obviously knicks old now. He's an older guy can't do all the work like a young man used to at the beginning of the vendors so you got to form it out a little bit in certain moments and you wonder if maybe in this version of the script Maria Hill L. A. Nick Fury weren't even scrolls flip flopped it in which case it wouldn't necessarily be too much but I was just so pleasantly surprised by the return of the scrawls at all because I thought they wrapped it up in Captain Marvel in a way that they essentially put a bow on top of it and could have sent them off and we might never have seen them also goes before Captain Marvel at come out we had gotten so like neck deep in the whole secret invasion idea like a witch avengers really scrawl and I'm Kinda glad they didn't go that route in the end because this feels fun and fresh and a little bit different and Scott a lot of potential for the future but I just can't I can't quite figure out how big of a role they're going to play because I don't necessarily want them to just be like. I don't even want to reduce them to this verbally right now but I don't want them to be like Nick Fury's minions if you know what I'm getting at Taylor's to have a really important leadership type role going forward and I imagined that what's happening here is that we lost certain avengers. The other ones are off dealing with other things and so nick fury needs to spend his time in multiple places so I wonder if they're going to use this tool repetitively as the M._T._a.. Continues I hope they don't <hes> I think it should be just like a emergency brake class type of situation situation with with the rest of the scrolls like use them when they have to use them depending what the cree do depending on who's going to be the big bad in face four and there's a lot of people just throw this out there to who don't think Quinn Beck actually died at the end of Spiderman so she could end up being a scroll in that way so who know all right wait. I gotta weigh in on that so I understand why something that and there's definitely a possibility that they could be right. I fall on the opposite side and I keep thinking about something like like just because yesterday I'm moving talk. We're talking about <hes> we're talking about <hes> the Joaquin Phoenix Joker movie and the idea of him committing to that movie for a single movie is why he probably did it and with someone like Jay Jilin Hall who's such a great variety on his resume. I just have I have a feeling that he committed to one movie and he committed to the one and only movie and that's it but the other idea that has been on my mind. A little bit is let's say Quinton. Beck is really dead. There's no one to say that his likeness can't come back especially with all the technology that still exists out there so while I am inclined to say that Jalen Hall likely signed on For one single marvel movie one single marvel commitment the idea of someone using Quinton Beck's likeness to continue this kind kind of thing they've got going on in the post credits scene. I kind of liked it from a storytelling perspective agreed agree. I don't think it would have helped the story at all. I mean it would undermine everything that was established in the film. You know ten minute monologue Tau was I liked his him. Exiting the film dying I mean I thought it was cool and to make him a score would be like what what was all that about then like why did you that. backstory was just for your character as a scrawl like I think you make a point John Because also when you look at vulture the thing that's great about the Spiderman series is the both of these villains have been on the ground villains. They're not billing that are out there with superpowers are regular people who got screwed over by the avengers in some different way and are now villains because they're angry about how they were treated both went back and <hes> Ah Vulture in the first movie. They're angry about how they were treated so that would have removed that kind of grounded nece that the Spiderman Universe is uniquely doing in the M._C._i.. I thought it was a great villain. That was an interesting discussion huge. Thanks to Adam Chitwood for asking that great question so we can discuss it on today. Show we are spoiler free now as we lead you into our promos for collider because it is a big week here in a San Diego comecon week we have so much going on. We are going to cover a whole bunch of the really hot panels and you could find those panel channel recaps and reviews right here in the video youtube channel also keep an eye on the collider interview Youtube Channel because there's going to be so much Sandiego comecon content over there as well then. If you're on the ground in San Diego. We've got a whole bunch of things you have to attend attend yourself kicking that list off with the Cobra Kai Panel on Thursday that one takes place at four forty five in ballroom twenty. I am beyond honored to host that one after that Friday morning at Eleven A._M.. Our own Steve Weintraub is hosting a conversation with the Russo brothers in hall h be sure to check that one out and then we are wrapping up our San Diego Comic Con Twenty Nineteen with our own panel that is happening in room sixty at twelve thirty a whole bunch of us are going to be there. We're GONNA say hi after we're going to take your questions during the panel. It's going to be a great time. I hope to see their story number two today this is this one is fascinating. I'm also happy that I don't have to introduce too much about it so according to H._r.. Greta GERWIG and Noah Baumbach back had been tapped to co write the Barbie movie that stars Margot Robbie over at Warner brothers and Gerwig is also being I'd to direct. This is an unusual fit. This is the last direction I thought that they would go in for for a movie like this. Does anyone feel otherwise this is so weird. This is such a bizarre thing. I feel like the time to attack this. What is when the song came out? I'm a Barbie doll. That's the girls win the time that would have been. The time you get what I'm saying right I mean because I've looked at Noah bombecks profile and and the only film of his that I've finished is Madagascar three Madagascar three the only I love Madagascar three but I tried tried watching life aquatic. I got about thirty minutes in and my brain just I couldn't and then what was he did the mayor with stories on net flicks. Wes Anderson is the aquatic but didn't he right. Didn't you write life aquatic. Also maybe I'll look at my. I didn't is a good that is a great option back. That's a fantastic film. He does have a bunch of really great stories right that was him on that flicks he wrote he wrote that and and he also directed that <hes> also directed mistress America. I really like I love while we're young as well. Francis Hogg Greenberg goes are all big winners and then of course the squid and the whale as well <hes> right <hes> life aquatic with Wes Anderson. They're not wrong didn't direct. It real scared me for myself when you talk about his writing credits to it's like they're standouts like fantastic Mr Fox he definitely has so many great credits to his name. It's just when you you pair him and Greta Gerwig together and I think about the projects that they worked on together that doesn't necessarily say to Me Wide Appeal Studio Level Barbie movie. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing for for me. Someone who is well aware of this project projects than that it's happening. You don't really have to sell me on it. I'm just curious. I WanNa see what they do with a Barbie movie. No matter what I am a little more concerned depending on how much they're spending on this movie for the wide movie going public. Is this going to be a four quadrant film because we have have to think about what the Barbie brand does for a company like Mattel also and they want to appeal to the widest possible audience and I can't necessarily say that most Greta Gerwig Noah Baumbach movies do just that but it could change little women yeah yeah and I think that's a fascinating point you make because obviously mattel has to have input on this thing and so it would be shocking to be able to do by movie without Mattel's consent and so I guess casting Margot Robbie makes sense because this the woman who's hot in terms of it being in demand also very attractive so people are going to see some mainstream actress people. That's part of the sorts reality I agree with you. Were going to see this movie possibly for her but it's not like she. America discussed didn't sell out the theaters the other what was the other the one where she was the assassin that didn't do so well either yeah owner all the one that was last year forget what it was. She was focused. There's Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. There was another one word one that she did it kind of came and went and so you look at the situation and you say okay is this going to work but you've got mumble core here with Greta Gerwig with Noah Baumbach and although I enjoyed lady bird I've not really enjoyed their collaborations because I don't really find Grit Aguirre that interesting as an actress but as a director certainly lady bird she killed it so if they're going to come together and no one's going to write a Quirky Wes Anderson type of film with Gregor Directing starring Margot Robbie then I have a little more unique interest because I love wes Anderson stuff. My interest is to see how they handled this Barbie respecting it but also making fun of the Barbie stuff what are you thinking of terminal. Yeah term is. I don't think that was a wide release. I wouldn't necessarily put that as like a knock on her resume that was going for completely different audience and most of that's. What do we know anything about the story about this at all? I don't believe so we have any specifics yet. You said you mentioned budget earlier. What was the budget of this you know or what do I have no clue this was a project that actually existed for a while over at Sony and there were so many different people attached at a point? I think there were rumors that Patty Jenkins was going to direct and I think that iteration I think it was that was still the Margot Robbie iteration but at a point there was Anne hathaway and oh it was amy Schumer was the other name that was attached to play Barbie. RB So this has gone through one heck of an evolution and really even though it seems like an unusual fit to me right now I do think the team of Gerwig bombeck and Robbie has a lot of potential. He's not even just starring at she's also a producer and I really respect what she's been doing. As a producer Robert basically pushing projects that usually wouldn't get made and I just get the sense from her that in less she has some really valuable creative input and she gets really excited about a project for an important reason. I don't think she would commit herself to WHO's this four though what audiences this movie before choosing to me like a U._p._S. to the people who grew up with Barbie and or you peeling two kids now don't like you're playing with these toys not a mainstream lineup yeah. I don't understand why this isn't just an animation like they've done already. That's the bar because I would love. Actually maybe I'm thinking of video games. They've had Barbie Video Games. Yes they have to do something like that. An animation series you need to do and that'll make the money that you need to make this jabber what you're saying. Is there over thinking this thing. Yes trying to sell it to again. I keep using this word but it feels like virtuous signaling over like we trying to sell two like why are you doing this. Just make just go with what it is. They're trying to be cool about something that is has been taken hits over the last few years for being a bad role model for young girls. This is is an interesting game. They're walking or might feel walking Deanne and I hope they address things like because even though this is an obvious brand that needs to have four quadrant appeal if you take the easy route movie goers are smart enough that they're going to sniff you out. They're going to know that this is like flat and uninteresting and not worth their money so I feel like they do have to be bold and daring. I'm just curious to know if the bold and daring right choice was to hire Gerwig embalmed but if they did into the Barbie verse like just like Spider Verse you know you got your different kinds ends and merb`ys that'd be that'd be so much more entertaining than whatever this is going to be. I thought that was like the most out of left field comment for the second one you said it and then he started to think about it that actually there's something there multiple multiple universities especially because growing up there was a Barbie for every profession Barbie for every person out there. What Barbie do you identify with? I can't talk about this anymore. Bombing Toy story four that was great as a toy story one two and three but that Marty was fantastic the little runway show for her that was that was a great way of making fun of the situation while still respecting them so I wonder what they can do live action wise with this because this could be like brats in that turnout terrible. I would rather watch the Pixar clips of Barbie stitched together for twelve hours on like what's that movie with trial torture with the eyes open a clockwork orange. I'd rather do that then watch whatever this is going to be. Their conclusion here is that I I prefer teenage mutant Ninja Turtles as a kid all right. Let's take one twitter question before we close this out from Steve Calderon who's asking a chapter two is tracking become the biggest opening for an R. rated movie at a hundred and thirty six million dollars. Do you believe the sequel will break the record. I don't think so I don't know I mean how often do break records if it's not marvel like does it happen all that dark night. I have a Chart Handy Jordan Dark Knight bested van begins. I'm fairly good example to bring up his probably probably deadpool and deadpool two in which case it didn't best the original but right now for alright it releases. Those are the two movies that hold the number one and two spot on the charts. I don't know because the the first one was like oh it's back. This is awesome. That's the second one is like we've been here and suggestions taking front and center. I heard something like complaints about it online. I didn't I too deep into it but that she's taking like the attention of it when it's supposed to be a team thing I've maybe I misunderstood. You know what I'm talking about is a bit nitpicky but I see I'm not I'm not. Ed Voice Powerful story too. It's like I mean she does take it is a group story in the book as well but she does take the spotlight and it's a really powerful arc that she has so I got no problem seeing her dead center in the posters and she's the only girl in that group so she's going to have to have a woman in that group when they get older so she has to have that kind of spotlight on her because of that situation <hes> Mike I think it's short shrift at being the only black member of the crew Mike. It's a little bit short trip a my opinion in the story. We'll see how they address that into but I think <music> I think it will absolutely destroy the first box office because of the cast the catcher huge and also they didn't have that for the first one and also machete coming back and then continuing the story and the kids people have and people just rediscovered this on home video. Oh on whatever you know who maybe didn't go see the theater and so I think it will come out and it'll be huge. Horror has been blown up like crazy anyway. Once I'm going to agree with you actually have very high hopes again the kids they're they're phenomenal and they are a sensation and people we'll go and see just the kids and now you add this all star adult cast to it's that one two punch it's just undeniable and I think that it left people in a place where they're wanting more and then when you look at the release date calendar and this doesn't necessarily speak to opening weekend but I think this bodes well for the entire films run. Actually this first part does bode well for its opening weekend. I think the only big release before it is Hobson Shaw so it's got this huge wide gap where there's no big summer blockbuster tight movie so it is in prime position yet again to earn a crazy amount of money at the very beginning of September and then after that it has so much breathing room before we get the joker movie that this thing could pile on a ton of money and be another huge success. 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Olive Oil: Mother Nature's Gift

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Olive Oil: Mother Nature's Gift

"Hey, everybody, we want to tell you about a new gift from us to you. It's called short stuff. Right. It's the gift that keeps on giving every Wednesday because these are little bite size ten to twelve minutes stuff. You should know episodes about topics that quite frankly didn't deserve forty five minutes of our time. Right. And it's in addition to the stuff, you should know episode. You already know in loved days in Thursday's this is a whole extra day. It's like the dollop of sour cream on. You're weekly stuff. You should know. Enjoy just like sour cream. Do do. You like that? Oh, I never get tired of the trumpet fair of Josh Clark. That's right. So that means that there's a new announcement for a new show. That's right fans in San Francisco and the bay area in general and northern California should not be surprised that we are coming back to SF sketch fest for what is this four years in a row easily for if not five yes, it is one of our favorites. It is the premier comedy festival in the country, in my opinion. Yup. We are always super happy that our buddy Janet Barney invites us back. Yep. So on Thursday, January seventeenth Chuck. We're going to be doing a stuff, you should know live show at the Castro. Right. That is correct. And the next day on Friday the eighteenth. We're both doing our own thing too. So you can see Josh, and Chuck and then Josh and Chuck. Yeah. Actually, I think I'm on Saturday. But yeah. Okay. Well, mine's on the the eighteenth on Friday, and I'm. Doing an end of the world live show where you can come. Hear me talk about the end of the world. And all the reasons we should try to not let that happen. It should be pretty cool. That's right. And I'll be doing my second ever live movie crush with very special live guests busy Phillips. And we'll be talking about the great great Noah baumbach classic film, kicking and screaming one of my favorite movies. Awesome. So you can get all the information. You need an tickets by going to the SF sketch fest website, and they will have schedules. Tickets all that jazz, and we will eventually have links up. I'm sure on S Y S K live, and we will see you San Francisco in January tickets go on sale tomorrow. Welcome to stop. You should know from how stuff works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryant there's cheery over there. And this is Stephanie should know the flow in podcast of all time. Pretty great. You did it those. Oh, man, you'd think after ten years I'd actually be decent. Adam. You're getting good. Getting sharp ten years. Chuck could lured going on Levin, dude. Yeah. You know? Yep. True. Eventually it will be eleven that's right. And then twelve and then pretty much Infinity after that. I would guess when you say I feel like we're almost daring each other to keep going at this point, you know. You know? Instead of doing that Chuck instead of just going on like this. Let's do all oil instead. Yeah, man. It's kind of cool that ten and a half years in. Can still look around the world and say look in our pantry for that matter. Sure and say man olive oil. Up next those little cinnamon candy toppings that you put on cakes. It's after all, obviously, it's just intuitive. Yeah. But Chuck, I think you should announced everybody who wrote this article for us. Yeah. The grab stir. We've we've been lucky enough to to get the grab stir to kind of pump out more articles for us here in the near future. Yup. We just grab Stor. That's right. It's super great because the grips are does. Really good research and gives us good stuff. So we are basing this one on a grab stir article, which is just phenomenal. It's been a while. Yeah. Man. So so there's a lot of pressure on during this entire episode. I guess is what we're trying to say. I think he nailed it. This is very thorough. It is. Yeah, he's he's good. Like that man. And it is it's so thorough. In fact, that I think we should just go ahead and start at the beginning the very beginning. Which is basically where Ed started at he fest forward at a little past the the the cooling of the earth. But then picks up where we're all of actually started in apparently in two thousand thirteen study of chloroplast chloroplast DNA genes in all lives. Apparently that is part of an olive that like from tree to tree along lineage the DNA gets passed along. So you can actually trace the lineage of trees. Some researchers traced the lineage of olives domesticated all of all the way back about six to eight thousand years ago somewhere around the border between Turkey and Syria. That is where the first person said, hey, I kind of like the cut of your jib wild olives. But I think I can make you a little better lemme harness you in a force you into domestication. Here you go into the ground between what will eventually be Syria and Turkey. Yeah. And that's like you were saying just when people caught on. To you know, like domesticating wild animal, but wild olives. They've been around as long as olive trees have been around and all three have been around like there's evidence that you know, fossilized pollen and evidence that shows that took an all gang. We're eating olives. Right. Yeah. They were eating olives. And then so were there bird friends were eating olives to your wild olives? Or like, I think a little more bitter, and they're smaller, which is why that that early quarter culturists said I can do better human being a basically own this planet. So I'm gonna make this olive tree. Dude. I want it to and they did they all his crew bigger and less bitter. I don't wanna say sweeter because that's not quite the right word, but just less bitter, more edible and overtime. They they've resulted in something like seven hundred different cultivars, which cultivar is. With all of their with any plant. It's a it's a version of the same species, but it has different characteristics. Yeah. Because of the human hand the human hand excuse me in this. Right. So when we got involved when we said, hey, let's domesticate the stuff we did. So because of those reasons maybe we want different kinds of olives. Maybe we want to scale this thing and have an olive grove and get higher yield. Maybe want them bigger and fatter, maybe we want them, less bitter. So depending on who was growing them and domesticating them it really kind of varied on what kind of all of you are going to get. But the point is there were lots of different kinds of instill many, many different kinds of would you say seven hundred seven hundred cultivars for Modi saw. Yeah. They're all just a little bit different from there little buddy next to him. Yeah. At some point somebody said, oh, I'd love to see an orange olive. No one's overdone an orange all before. And they just got to work doing that. Now, we. Have actually I don't think that exists. But that's a pretty good example of what could have happened had somebody a thousand years ago said I wanna see what an orange all of looks like we would have an orange olive cultivar. That's right. But that's it. I mean, it's just basically difference in size shape. Also the size of the tree the shape of the tree. And all all trees. Remember in our pando episode now, how could I forget, man? A good one. I I love pan does. Well, Chuck, but we were talking about long live trees all of trees are like pretty long lived themselves. There's a couple they're supposed to be two thousand years old. And I saw one called the olive tree of who've s on Crete, and it's thought to be three thousand years old. And it's it's it's just a perfect tree. If you've seen it. Yeah. The one in creed. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause creed is was the seat Crete was the seat. That's what it says an all the t shirts all of seat right back in the day during the bronze age. I believe Crete was like the seat of olive oil production for the world. And there's a temple at Nosotros. I think the tell you say it right in the case island. Yeah. Yeah. It's not canosa's. Okay. That temple is thought to have housed. I guess at any given time sixteen thousand gallons of olive oil at any at any point like you could walk in there. And you would find about sixteen thousand gallons in clay amphorae. Yeah. As and as far as the tree goes like, you said, they they generally are very old they grow very slowly. And like you said they can range in size. It's pretty uncommon to have super tall ones because we have domesticated them to be a little bit easier to, cultivate, which means smaller and shorter summer like shrubs, sometimes as far as North American South America. They are not native to our lands, although they they do grow because Europeans brought them over. So now the United States. Mexico Chile Argentina, and Australia, successfully produce olive oil outside of the obviously the Mediterranean region, which is still think Tunisia Italy and Spain or or the people who are really pumping that stuff out. Right. The leaders for sure. And the reason I mentioned our bird friends is because all of actually spread really easily birds. I guess eat the olives poop the seeds out, which I feel bad for Berg because all of pits are fairly big. You know, you're I mean if you were I wouldn't want to poop out an all of pit. I can imagine if I were a tiny little bird. That'd be a big ordeal all trees like spread. And since they thrive actually in fairly semi arid conditions like too much water's not good for them. They can survive cold snaps. Pretty well. They spread pretty easily, and they can be grown all over the place. Not. Just in the Mediterranean. Yeah. Ed, I love how he put it here. Like, basically, don't take me or anyone else to task about all these dates because domestication of the olive tree, and the and the beginnings of olive oil could have started in different places around the world at different times. Yeah. And he said, basically, it's not important to try and like nail down a specific date in region because it is conflicting in what's important is is that the olive and olive oil industry. Well, guess it's an industry now. But back then it was just called olive oil. Sure, it was super important. It wasn't just it's not just oil. You know, it was important to religion and culture in really had a had a big impact on these ancient empires. Yeah. He makes the point to say like this this region that produced like the world's three major. Religions are two of them at least three of them three of the four the big four. I'm going with that. Now, the big five major wish Christian Islamic inside. Angie, right? The big four. Okay. Let me just say that it produced three of the world's major religions. Also, some of the great great earliest cultures. They all came about in this place where all of and then all of all production was pretty pretty widespread and plentiful, and he doesn't go so far as to say like one necessarily influenced the other, but they were definitely intertwined, and it's it's you can make the case. Like, you know, they didn't say, you know, chicken eggs are for the gods or like that sure olive oil is a special in its own strange way to human culture, especially the earliest faint of famous contours of human culture. Yeah. And so important that even the word o I l. Just for all the oils is derived from the Latin word for olive oil, specifically Olim. So you could you know, you could even say that olive oil is sort of the OG the original oil, right, and like Popeye's girlfriend would be olive olive oil. That's right or with his oath just color Olim for short. Oh that was his pet name with were. Should we take a break? I think so we're certainly get a little charged up is well, defuse it and. All right. We'll be back to talk about how olive oil played a part in all this culture and mythology. Let's. Killer murders, gripped the small town of hollow falls a decade ago by the end of the killing spree six people, including my amp Beth were dead. The police discovered a handwritten note next to her body and decided it was her confession. A my aunt was no killer. The mission of this podcast is simple to uncover the truth to clear, my aunt's name to put the real killer behind bars or die trying. I'm Tig Taurus. And this is lethal lint. Lethal lit a Tig Torres mystery a six part scripted podcast series coming to your favorite podcast app. Mondays starting October twenty ninth. Subscribe now to never miss an episode. All right, Chuck. So as I mentioned spoiler alert Christianity is one of the world's big three religions and olive oil vixen appearance in it. Did you know that I did? Well, all of do at least. Yeah. And it actually over delivered here. I think. Oh, yeah. I agree. He was he was kind of showing this stuff got excited. Right. We'll we'll go through some of these obviously in the book of Genesis. If anyone's ever heard the story of Noah after the flooding Noah sends out that dove and says, hey, dude, go out there and see what's what what we have in store for us. What's alive? What's dead? And give me a report and the dove said sure thing Noah and flew away and came back with an olive branch. So it it might sound like someone's under delivering mister dove. But what that meant was is there's life out there because the olive tree is growing and everyone loves olives. Right. There you go. That was the implication. Chuck, you're basically, a biblical scholar at this pretty much. But I mean think about it the dove carrying the olive branch like that's almost worldwide somebody can point to that. And be like, that's that's a good feeling is what that symbolize. We all know what that means. That means there's a flight coming right or somebody doesn't want to fight anymore. Right. So here's a here's a all branch that I taped to a dove. And I'm throwing it at you. What else? Oh, one of the things that struck me. Was that olive oil wasn't always used as food. It was used as definitely as an offering to the gods. It was portioned out. Very exactly and precisely and we actually have tablets with linear b writing for the missing, Ian culture that show that it was taken very seriously. It was like you get this little quarter ounce of all of you get this quarter of olive oil sign your name here to say, you got your olive oil kind of thing. And then part of it even goes to the gods. Right, right. Yeah. That's yeah. Exactly. And they have to sign for it. They they do zoos, but then it was also used in bathing cultures. Well, yeah, I mean, Emily has olive oil in her soap, right? Okay. So this was a little less soapy than that. This is a little more straightforward wherein. You would take a believe this was the Greeks right or the Romans. What's the difference? Now, it was an Athens. Okay. So the the ancient Athenians would use all of that was infused with like, an herb or something like that. And pour it on their body. And then use a stick called a stir Joel to scrape it off in that was bathing. Part of bathing. I should say just made so many talion Greeks mad because you said this is the same thing. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's to be fair Rome definitely model, that's culture almost exclusively on classical Greece. So come on. I would just joking though. Sure, they know that Chuck give it give him a I was just joking into like a stereotypical talion accent that'll complete it. He's just a joke, you know for fixed. So of course, ancient Egypt was involved. I it feels like anytime you're talking about some great, you know, from olive oil to peanut butter. Well, peanut butter. You can go find it on the walls of the tombs of ancient Egypt. And of course, the Romans just like it's either the Roman empire or the Chinese are the ones who are going to make advances by leaps and bounds. And in terms of olive oil. It was the Roman empire. Who was like really got those Egger cultural techniques down Pat for kind of scaling it on, you know, as far as their scale goes. Plus, they were the first ones to really spread all wheel production beyond the Mediterranean. I think the the Middle East because the Roman empire spread so far. And because all of was such an integral part of that culture. They they took all oil, basically everywhere with them and all of oil cultivation and production all of. Cultivation and olive oil production went far and wide because of the Romans. It's right. And again, one of the reasons why they were able to spread the stuff our advisor because all of trees, grow pretty well and all sorts of different climates as long as they're not over watered. They're gonna do. Okay. They like bright sunlight their hardy. Evergreen shrub like trees. Do you need a lot of water though, you can get more all lives by by watering them more than just neglecting them. But you don't want to over fertilize them from what I understand. There's a lot of they're really low maintenance fruit bearing trees from what I can tell. But yes, there there you step up the fertilizer you step up the water if you want to like do commercial all avoid production. But it's like an olive tree at home. And you're just growing it for fun. It's you can go out of town for a while. And not have to worry about your all of tree. Do you know who's into this big time? Who Chad Crowley? He's into growing olives. Well, he he's into olive oil and like to the point where like his retirement job might be olive oil like olive farming and growing and cultivating. Does he grow olives? No. But he's he's into it like to in a degree that I didn't fully understand until I talked to him about, oh, we should tell everybody all the millions of people listening who don't know who checked Crowley is. He directed that our TV show this Fisher another TV show. He was the director producer. He had a lot to do with. And that's guard him so much that he just wants to go live on. It's pretty much right? So the fruit of the olive tree is the olive, right? And they they ripen to black purple sometimes a little red. If you see a green all that means, it's not ripe yet. I did not know that did you know because I hate olives. Yeah. That's right. I was kinda hoping that I had like imagine. In that. But I don't like that's crazy, man. I love I love a lot of people. Don't like of stewed. That's cra-. I whatever they're crazy. They're crazy. They're crazy. All of you. Crazy. No. It's called personal tastes that we respect. I guess remember. I guess I keep forgetting when it comes to olives. Yes. So as the con the oil in the olive increases as it ripens. So you want him? It's kind of a very tight line that you walk is an olive farmer because you want these things to ripen as much as possible to get the most oil, but if they overripe in and then just start falling off the tree. They're no good. You gotta pick it off the tree. So like winemakers. It's very stressful thing to watch that crop that can imagine and it comes down to sometimes the day or the hour of the day to really maximize your yield. Yeah. Because if you think about it, you know, you have an olive tree with a bunch of all going on it you have to time the the ripening of those not under ripe overripe, but also not every olive on that tree is going to ripen simultaneously. So you so you not only do you have to time it so that they're right. But the maximum number of all on that tree are ripe at any given period to for sure I'll bet that is super stressful farming way more stressful than corn farming corn, basically grows itself. Just sit around in your easy chair and say hurry up corn, getting your your basket. Yeah. And then it just farts it off the tree right onto your plate the stock and does a little bow and says how do you do? He's just claps from your easy chair and say, I love corn trees. So some I I mean, if you have a small farm, and you're like an old of old family business. And in Italy, let's say you might still be hand-picking these things, which is great. But big major operations. They have what they called shaker machines. And they they drive through the farm and shake the tree have you ever seen one of those things? Yeah. And shaker machines, or I mean, it's not just specific to olive trees. They use them for all sorts of fruiting trees, they just they just shake it. They do. It's like the trees like. It's like, okay that's over. Yeah. It's it's kind of interesting to see. And then like, there's a guess a catch that catches the stuff following off the tree. And then it shoots it up the conveyor belt over into like a truck driving beside it. There you go you just harvested a bunch of all those boom. But that's that's like a commercial thing. That's a commercial. Oh, yeah. Operation. Right. Like, you have if you're like mom and pop operation like you were saying, or if you're harvesting from very very old trees, you would not use one of those machines. Yeah. You wouldn't want to go to a thousand year old olive tree in an introduce it to the shaker machine. Mean he's so mean, it's like I've seen empires rise and fall. And now some jerk has got a new hall in shaker machine. Running over me that runs on diesel. Yeah. Thanks todd. So flavor of an olive oil is going to depend on a lot of things and all of wine, they grow in similar regions a lot of times. And they have a lot of similarities, which is why often when you go to one country, they'll be a wine shop that also sells olive oil or an olive oil store that also sells wine and you start to wonder where where's the line to you me? And I went to calistoga in either snowman nap, I cannot remember I think it's Napa, and I it's absolutely true. It's there's like there's they're almost one in the same. It was just go from a wine shop to and all of those shot, but they're just it's the most amazing olive oil you've ever tasted in your life. That's the best. I was so just to be clear, you hate all of us, but you like olive oil, and I understood. Totally different. Oh, yeah. A love olive oil. Okay. So have you have you gone to olive oil shots and just done like little shots of olive oil dozens and dozens aren't they just amazing Yemen? I like the grassy kind. I like the nutty kind. Yeah. But it's and I think I've told you this before really good all avoidable can really give me like a chemical burn on my throat. Oh, really? So it has to have like kind of a buttery quality to it. I guess for me to really like it. Yeah. And this is the kind of all of oil that you don't you're not like even cooking with necessarily your your drizzling it on your salad or you're dipping your bread in it and stuff like that. Or you're injecting it for its anti inflammatory properties. So hold on. Okay. We'll get there. All right. But that flavor like I was saying like wine or the grapes that make wine is affected by the the soil that you grow it in the climate how much rain at God. The, you know, the general tear war. It really can change the the end product of that all of us the that oil that you're gonna get and, you know, the old school oil oil people. Olive oil experts. Let's say sure they'll say that you know, if you really want a great olive oil, you won't even find it on some big mess farm. It's like you can find it the best stuff on like just an olive tree that's growing somewhere in Italy on somebody's property, right? It wasn't necessarily raised for that purpose, and it's growing alongside other kinds of trees and not like smashed together against a bunch of other olive trees, which is basically permaculture is what he's describing. Yeah. I guess so, you know, remember the permaculture up. Whereas like, you grow crops with around other trees and other types just a bunch of different types of plants together produce better crops yet, but over there, they just say it's easily. Man, they're going to they're going to really be happy with this one up. So so apparently, they also hybridize to which explains how we've gotten seven hundred different cultivars of of domesticated all of plants. You just take a tree that that does one thing really well like produces big orange olives. And you take another tree that does really well in a closet and you draft them together. And now you have a tree you can keep in the closet that produces big orange all it's in. It's the biggest freak of nature all of tree anyone's ever seen. Pretty amazing. So Chuck, I think we've kinda beat around the Bush as it were tree long enough. Let's talk about how you actually make all of oil. It's pretty cool because it's so easy in in practice like as Ed points out. It's a stone. I it's a droop. Like a Plum. Or a peach where you have that car that flesh on the outside. Right. And then that hard seed right in the middle that you were talking about that a a bird's Amos cannot handle. No. But unlike those other kinds of like say stone food, you don't get the oil from the seed there's some in there you can get some in from from there. But it's really hard to do what makes olive oil different from other kinds of fruit oils or vegetable oils in general is that it doesn't come from the seed the oil comes from the actual all of it self. I guess that's what I would have thought. But I didn't realize that most of the most of the oil. We get comes from seeds, although it makes total sense because some flour oil doesn't come from like the flower petals. It comes from the seeds. Yeah. But olive oil is different. It stands of on its own in that way that you get the oil from all of the part of the all of you eat the fruit. That's right in the the process of getting that oil is starting startling. Only startlingly old-fashioned simple. You mesh that all of we'll call it the flash. Or the pair of carb you mash that into a paste, you press that paste to get the oil, and then you clean it up. You get there's a little bit of solids and a little bit of water leftover you, and you remove that what has changed over the years is how we do that. Because back in the day, you know, they would use stone wheels. Like when you see like a donkey walking in a circle attached to a a contraption just hate in life hate and life. That's what the donkey's doing its role rolling a big wheel in a circular path over and over all day long. Smashing these olives into a pulp that pulse called the pomace. And then finally in the twentieth century, they started using things like steel drum grinders or in this one would surprise me hammers mechanize hammers which is not a good idea. Now, it's not. Probably seemed like a good idea in the fifties. When they introduced it. And now, they're like, this is this makes terrible olive oil. And somebody said, I know we'll do to sell a fairly cheap in the supermarket. And they said genius. Yes. Because of the friction right because heat he does. No good. That's why they call it cold press. Like good stuff is cold pressed. Yep. He does. No good for olive oil. It makes it it. Just changes the changes, the taste it does very much. So introduces tastes you don't want. It can also paradoxically get rid of tastes you do one. Yeah. You it's it's not good at all the introduce heat. And that's another reason why olive oil kind of stands on its own as far as vegetable oils, go with just about every other oil, you you cook with like a vegetable oil or seed oil. It's it's it heat is is necessary to get the oil out of the seed with all of all you don't use heat. And so it preserves a lot of the flavors that you lose with other vegetable oils, which is why so many vegetable oils just. Taste exactly the same. It's like is this all just come from the same that where if you take a sip of all voile, you know, that's all there's no mistaking whatsoever. Yeah. You don't want to take a sip of like just standard vegetable oil, you you you don't want to. But you well, sure you could but they're not gonna put that on your plate with balsamic vinegar restaurant with little pepper grind on. It depends on the restaurant. You think? Yeah. I could see it. So the grinding process you have to do this long enough. So the the Malik station process emerges and from what I gather. That's when actual oil is released from the cells, and then they start to combine with one another until it's like recognizable oil is that about right? Yeah. Like tiny tiny little particle droplets. Start to combine into larger fat droplets of oil, and you just get more oil out of the the the actual all of self right? And that's that's just to get the pulp policy pulp actually called pomace. It's not policy. Yeah. Peo- MAC. Right. Yeah. But that's not the actual pressing of the oil that comes next, right? That's just the crushing of it's a loosen things up to kind of get the party started. The pressing is is number two. So the pomace or the paste is. Put in traditionally it's put onto Matt or. Like like wooden boards. They have holes all over it. And then stacked. So you put like say down put some of the pomace on top of it put another Matt down put some more pompous on top. And you got a nice little stack going, and then you get a board. And then you go get, you know, just sippy the human giant yet to lay on top of the board and press down the largest human in the village, take sit on it. Right. And then that actually you're pressing the oil from the pomace and all that oil is collected. Am buddy, you've got the first hints of olive oil, and you could actually stop right there in some people do. Yeah today. Of course, they I mean, the first thing he started doing was hydraulic presses. Because just epi was busy. There weren't enough. Just to go around, I guess this. But today a centrifuge, which I didn't know was is used which is makes perfect sense. Because you get a centrifuge spinning. And it's gonna sling all that pulp to the outside, and you know, the oil's going to going to separate and leave that pulp behind and there's no heat whatsoever. They still call it cold pressing even though it's not even being pressed, which is interesting. Yeah. I guess it's true. I hadn't thought about that. Like, they don't call. It cold spun olive oil. They could I guess, but they still call it cold press. When you see it on the bottle. That's what that means. There's been no heat or chemical processes to make that oil that you're about to delight in. It's all strictly mechanical, and it doesn't take long with these center futures. It's like it happens in minutes. Yeah. Almost disappointingly. Like, you're like, it's ready. I wasn't going to wait for a little while. So so after I press, whether it's whether it's with the centrifuge or whether it's actually pressed you have all of well, technically right there. But there's usually a second step involved because you know, most olive oil is very clear and see through and beautiful. Sure. Maybe with a little bit of green tend to most likely some sort of kind of golden color, but there's another step to get to that part. It's it's just basically a filtration step, and for many, many, many years several thousand years, I would guess they basically just set the olive oil out to sit and filter on its own to let the the water particles that were suspended in there, and any little bits of solid matter from the olives leftover that we're still kind of floating around they would eventually settle down to the bottom, sediment. And then everything on top was pure filtered olive oils called decantation and it took like four to ten months. Yeah. To get to that point, depending on the type of all of you. Right. So if you wanna mass market all of oil, you can't wait for ten months. I'm sure plenty of people do but you pay for that. That's the really really expensive stuff that you're getting what they figured out is you can use a centrifuge again, and you can filter out the the particular matter in the suspended water. And now you have fully filtered to candid all oil. That's ready for market. That's right. Then you've still got this. This pulp leftover this stuff that you've extracted the oil. They're still a little bit of oil in there, and they wanna use everything. So this is when they actually use his heat, they use heat in a chemical process to get every single bit of that oil out, and that oil is not something you want to you want to ingest. That's called Lum, Ponta, right? And that is like fuel oil and loved it had always puts in there in the industry. If you call someone else's olive oil and Ponte that's like, that's what it calls a sick, burn. Right. It's you're saying that they're all inedible. It's only good to be used it for fuel oil. Yeah. Man. That's that's pretty rough. Really? It's I think so too. Just sippy would he would smash? If you heard you call all lump Ponte, just Sipa smash. So you wanna take a break and then come back and talk about whether all avoids healthy or not? Yes, india's. Hey, everyone we want to tell you about a new show on her network. A true crime show called Helen gone. Brought to you by our pals from school of humans, the the people who helped us make our TV show. Yeah. So Helen gone is a podcast that follows the writer and private investigator, Catherine Townsend, and she has gone back to the Arkansas Ozarks where she was raised to solve a murder two thousand four murder of a twenty two year old college student named Rebecca Gould and Helen gone follows her and brings you the listener into this real time murder investigation. Yeah. It's really compelling. It's a very sad cold-case, Catherine grew up in this town like you said and her sister was a friend of rebeccas, and she thinks she knows what's going on. And she thinks there's been a cover up. So it's a really really intriguing premise, really great podcast. You can listen to it every Wednesday. When Catherine and her team explore new leads knock on new doors and investigate every angle in the hunt for Rebecca's killer. Yep. So listen subscribe and raid it on apple podcast, Google podcasts. Spotify or wherever you happen to find your podcasts. All right, Chuck. So everybody knows all of wheels healthy unless you've read articles that say those not healthy. It's just it's like there's very few things that that demonstrate terrible science slash nutritional reporting than olive oil. It's all just very sensationalist. Yeah. Here's the deal. Olive oil is is a much better alternative than most other oils. It is a a monastery traded fat, which is always better than a saturated fat, it'll reduce your LDL cholesterol, which is the bad stuff. And so if you're replacing other oils with all of oil, they will say things in studies like you have reduced rate of cancer, or cardiovascular disease, or inflammation. Yeah. It'll help reduce inflammation, which we talk a lot about has vitamin e and vitamin k and all those things are good for you. But it's like that can't be good enough to the writers of heh. Health books in newspaper articles or web articles. Right because they champion it as this miracle oil that will make you live forever and lose weight all at the same time. And that's not the case. Right. And it really kind of send it in the modern west in the nineties, thanks to the Mediterranean diet, which is basically like look at the Italians look at how much positi in. They're all skinny and healthy, and they live forever. What's going on over there? Yeah. There's a lot going on over. There is the answer there is. But a lot of people settled on no olive oil is the key. It's the magic potion as it were right, right? It's not. It's it's good for you. But in in good for you in the sense that if you're eating something, and you're going to be using like vegetable oil, canola oil and your place it with olive oil. You've made a very good decision. If you sit around and just eat olive oil by the tablespoon all day long. That's bad for you. That's that's that's too much of a good thing. It's more. Olive oil is really good standing for stuff that's far far less healthy than olive oil is. Yeah. And like if you're on the Mediterranean diet, and you say and look into those Italians, you know, they're eating fish, and they're drinking red wine and they're eating lots of fiber. And they're walking up and down the steepest hills on planet earth, and they're strolling the shores of lake Cuomo and have a great family structure, like low stress like all these things combined. It's not like they shouldn't even call it the Mediterranean diet. They should call it being Mediterranean, right? Right. I mean, you can't be from Atlanta in slurp down some olive oil. And then pretend you're from the shores of lake wome. Oh, right now, where's that bag of port cracklins, exactly? So it is healthy. But just don't we can't over or it shouldn't be overstated. How healthy it is. Right. But on the other hand there have been studies that say, no, no, no, not only is all avoid not healthy. It's actually bad for ya. I don't know. But that those have not been born out in follow up studies. But the the basis of those that whole line of thinking was that when you apply heat to all oil EG cook it or I e cook it, I'm sorry, everyone who loves Latin. That that you're actually creating toxic compounds in the olive oil. Right. So you're actually hurting yourself that apparently is not the case that that the amount of heat that we apply to all of oil to cook isn't enough to actually build up toxic compounds. And if anything all avails smoke point is high enough higher than other kinds of vegetable oils that it actually is less likely to build up any kind of toxic compounds through cooking. So the jury is still out as it is on just about everything we understand about nutrition. But from what we can understand all avoid is not actually bad for you agree. It's not a super it's going to it's not going to give you lasting life. But it's also probably not going to bring you to an early grave either. Yeah. Okay. That's good way. Putting it. Thanks, man. So when it comes to rating olive oil. Because you go to the grocery store these days, and and there is a wide wide range of olive oils. You can buy and this is just in your. In your everyday supermarket. Like, oh, I'll get some of that good stuff there to cook with, but Emily, and I have a store in Buckhead. We go to this lady that we know that makes her own olive oils. And that's where we get our good stuff where? Geez. I haven't been in a while. And I think she moved locations at but it's somewhere in book. Ed, okay. There's wanted to cater to write in downtown. The cater. Okay. Great olive oil store where you can taste, you know, shots and stuff is that sheds and yet probably. But the different grades. They all have to do with the level of refinement. And in this case, the less refined the better because at refining processes what we talked about that we'll strip away that flavor overtime. So extra-virgin is unrefined olive oil. It's cold pressed never heated, no chemicals. Sometimes you can find bottles that say, I cold press, which means they didn't just keep pressing it. They just had the one single press. That is the good stuff, and we'll get to whether or not I can trust this in a minute. But that's the top quality. Yeah. Apparently, the highest top quality extra virgin olive oil is actually unfiltered. It doesn't go through that second step to remove the water suspended in the little particular matters, unfiltered, extra virgin olive oil is as far as health is concerned, if it is a healthy product, this is this is the bestows the greatest. Health benefits? That's right. And supposedly is the tastiest. That's right. Then there's virgin olive oil, which apparently I've never seen in real life. It's apparently very very rare. But it's it's unrefined, but not as high quality as extra virgin olive oil. Maybe it's just what's the point. So people don't even make it. Right. I don't know. And then there's straight up all of oil if you've ever picked up a bottle of all of oil like saying the supermarket and then like what ninety nine cents. It's a great place. All of. And you're looking all over label, turning what am I missing? And you can't quite fine where it says extra-virgin anywhere. And it just says all oil what you have is all it's that's the great of it all oil or pure olive oil, and it's been bleached and lie has been added to it. It's been heated filtered smacked around just treated, very very poorly, and then ended up on your grocery store shelves for you can use that on your bicycle chain. Yeah. There you go. And that's about it. Or if you go to a terrible restaurant, and they ran out of canola oil. They might use this kind of olive oil for your for your little plate with some bread. Then you have light olive oil. This is more refined. Even basically no flavor, and we should mention though that that standard olive oil. Sometimes they do mixing a little extra virgin to give it a little flavor and try and charge a dollar nineteen. Yes. But they probably call it. Extra-virgin olive oil. Yeah. Well, again, we'll get there. Okay. Don't believe the hype everybody. All right. But the light olive oil, basically has no flavor it it is not lighter in calories. So that's somewhat misleading. That's a big deal because you would think that if somebody sees a bottle of light olive oil. I would think like, oh, it's good diet olive oil. It says weighs less anything. Apparently in here we start to get. So there's also pomace olive oil, which that's Lum Ponte is it's not for eating. It's for burning basically. Yeah. And then organic like with a lot of organic things there. There's no standard enforce it enforcement body for organic right in the case of olive oil. So. Maybe it is maybe it didn't. But there's definitely you shouldn't Bank on that. But that kind of opens the door to this controversy in oil world, like where if somebody somebody can slap organic on their olive oil bottle in charge you more for it. But there's no way for you to verify that it is organic there's nobody watching things like that. Even though there's the international olive oil council, and the now the North American olive oil association and both of them are the standard-bearers for the olive oil industry, but they're just not big enough. And I guess their teeth aren't quite sharp enough to regulate this giant industry, that's really boomed since the nineties. So there's nobody with the ability to actually make sure that the olive oil that's being sold as say like the purest extra virgin olive oil, actually is extra virgin olive oil or is even all avoid at all. It could just be like plano vegetable oil. That has nothing to do with with olive oil and never has with just a little bit of extra virgin olive oil mixed in for taste. Yeah. Because I mean, they use they have standards they have like actual standards for the number of chemicals minimums and maximums and stuff like that. But it really comes down to human tasters people that actually tastes the stuff and say, no, this is metallic or muddy. There's no way this extra virgin olive oil fail or fusty. That's another one. I love that word fusty Voyles fusty. But there just aren't enough mouths on these in these associations to keep up with the massive massive industry that is olive oil industry. And so the most pessimistic. People out there will say eighty percent of the olive oils that say extra-virgin are not right. Eighty percent. And that's again, the most pessimistic. But I mean, let's say it's fifty fifty. That's terrible. Yeah. It really is. Because I mean, it's terrible for a couple of reasons one you're getting ripped off. I mean, you might be paying for olive oil that is just not up to snuff. And it's not as good as you think it is. That's that's bad enough. But if you're you're getting olive oil because you want to be healthier, right? And it turns out that it's not only good not good olive oil. It's not even all of oil. You're not getting those health benefits. You may even be eating something more than you should. And it's actually just vegetable oil, which is actually not good for you, in any way, shape or form. Really? That's that's as bad. So you're getting ripped off. And you're you're being abused healthwise. Yeah. And it's. I mean, we kind of made fun of the ninety nine cent bottle that says extra virgin olive oil, but you can get the fourteen dollar bottle. And that could be fake. It's not just the little cheapies. I mean, that's a pretty good warning sign, but you would think that if you paid like, you know, for the fifteen dollar bottle next to the seven dollar bottle. That's the real deal. And that's not always the case either. Right. Really be it. I know I didn't run across like how you how you can be sure. But I think there is no way to be sure. I bet do a little research on your own find out about, you know, get a few brands that you know, are doing the right thing and seek those out. I I wanna say like, well, if you go to, you know, sonoma's Napper, you know, Provence or somewhere where there's they know what they're talking about with all avoidable. You'd have to have like pretty like iron cojones, soap and up in like, a high end olive oil. Oil shop and sell vegetable oil. So surely, that'd be a good place to it. But then remember there was that whole mass brothers chocolate thing where they were just selling like melted down her. She's everybody for like eight bucks a bar and everybody went for that. So yeah, I don't know. I guess you would have to befriend and all of oil producer who you knew and trusted. Maybe let them hold some of your money for a little while see what they did with it. And then when they gave it all back a couple years down the road, then you could confidently start buying all from them. And that's the only way or just we'll maybe we'll throw chat a little seed money. Okay. And partner with them. Sure. And then we'll just have our own supply. He's trustworthy guy for sure. Yeah. Okay. Cool there guess wrong. Nice. And then the final thing we got to talk about. And again, I think I did a thorough job. But I feel like we could do like three or four more shows on all oil. Why not but we're not going to? But the final thing here is olive oils. Great, we all love it. It's the best oil to me aside from sesame oil, which also love. But it it is it is not great for the environment. The mass production of olive oil has some pretty big drawbacks to it. Yes. I had no idea about this. Yeah. And it made me like go, man. He's always a catch. Always something always something. So when you produce olive oil stuff that you press all the oil out of the leftover all of that's called all of cake. And apparently one of the things that's leftover from this stuff are females which polyphenyls are actually kind of good for you females can be toxic. They can be irritants. They can be really bad for you. If you just them orally. And when you make olive oil, you have all this leftover all of cake, and when you spread it out there in the field to just kind of get rid of it it runs off in contaminates. The local water supply the water that's used to create olive oil. It uses a ton of water and the way. Westwater can actually be treated in typical municipal wastewater plants because it's too toxic bed. This does not mean that you're all avoid is toxic. It's the stuff left over or that comes from the production of all of that can be toxic t to people and bad for the environment. So yeah, there's like a big environmental impact, especially in small rural areas. Where like the whole local economy depends on all of oil. They don't have the means to dispose of the stuff properly where has the real environmental impact? But it's bad for for everybody. Just because it doesn't impact you over here where you're enjoying the olive oil doesn't mean you're not also still responsible for the impact that's going on halfway across the world where all of those being produced. You know, isn't it amazing that they can treat human poop wastewater, but not olive oil wastewater? It we can put a man on the moon who compete there. And we can treat that, but we can't treat all oil wastewater. The good news is as we speed into the future. There are new methods of reducing the amount of waste in. There are new methods of detoxification for that waste to be a little less harmful. And they're looking at other things they can do to help put some of that waste actual use. Mike is fuel or you know, stuff like that. So I mean, they're they're trying to get it under control. But it is a black eye for sure they they are feeding as much as they can just Sepe just ingesting it and metabolising this stuff, but he he can only eat so much participe. You got anything else? No. Although I have a feeling if I traveled through southern Italy somebody with Grammy at some point and say sit up on the sit on the olives you'd be the Giuseppi standard. Sure. Well, second if you to or southern Italy, bring me back, some olive oil you. Okay. Okay. Well, if you want to know more about olive oil, you can't there's nothing more to know because Ed covered it all for us. Good job at. You can type the words all oil do the search bar of your favorite search engine. And it will bring up whole world of stuff for you. Just beware. Remember about eighty percent of it is not real since this at this time for listening. Oh, no. It's not you know, what it's time for. Oh. Yeah. You want me to say it? Yeah. Straighted d. That's right. Josh this is when we. Thank listeners for small tokens in large tokens. Yeah. Of of love and appreciate probation. They've sent to us here at the Atlanta office, and I'm going to start it off with Laurie from Minneapolis, Minnesota who very sweetly sent my daughter a free to Kalo action figure sweet because I talked about how much she loves Frida Kahlo, and she loves loves loves it. Thank you, Laurie. Thank you for those very nice of you. I'm going to start off with Jim seious and the crowd royalty. Who styled us out again him in with some fifths of crown Royal and some very cool rocks. Classes that have like the little crown on the piddle pillow like in a hologram etched in the middle. Yeah. And it weighs like a pound and a half. Yeah. It's got some real heft to it. Plus, they send us the candy to which is pretty nice. That was very nice John Nord's cog cintas Boyd. Remember, john? He sent us the. He calls it a code wheel. What we should probably do it. Just put a picture of this thing up. He he built it for a boy scout troop, and then repurpose it as a wonderful gift for us. But is we now have it hanging up on the wall office, John we finally got it up is this huge handmade thing of wonder of interlocking gears and cranks that turn. And you've been eventually will spit out a paper code don't even fully understand it yet. But it looks like something from the ancient past. Yep. And it's just pretty amazing looks really cool in our office. It's daunting. Yes. I and. Yeah, we can't understand it. So it's definitely going to be a wall piece from now on. Yeah. And imagine John spend a fortune shipping that thing to so many many things John. Yeah. And I think we thank John last time. But that was a far better. Thank so way to go. We got a we got a lot of great gifts when we went to Australia for our tour. Oh, yeah. One of them was Janet from Nanno girl labs in New Zealand gave us a beautiful hardcover edition of their book Nanno girl labs book, the kitchen science cookbook. You can look up kitchen science, cookbook dot com. And it has all these different recipes in it. And each recipe is a science experiment that uses ingredients that are super easy to find a super cheap. And it turns out Janet the chief operations engineer for Nanno girl has been listening to us since her teens since she was in her teens. So I feel old that thank you very much for that. Awesome book. Yes. For sure. Emily cool in jobs with Baxter. Sinister an invitation to their wedding in Idaho. Nice mazal tov, which we could have gone and Cam in Sonia. So they came to our Melbourne show and member they gave us the Tim TAM's and the eight year old tawny port au. Yeah. I so we could do grownup Tim Tam slams, and I tell you that's the only way to do. Tim Tam slam with Tony port. It's amazing. If you don't know what Tim TAM's or go to your local world market and buy some in. Thank me later. Yes, for sure Krista Allenstein, cintas art. Here's what she does. She takes prints of atlases roadmaps and stuff like that. Then paints over them with little sort of throwback kitschy motel signs, and she sent us the Ohio in Georgia your from Toledo, and I'm from Georgia. That's right. They're very cool yet. Thank you for those. Jack Hawkins works at Starwood whiskey. Remember that the star we got the Melvin show. We got some from him. And it is beautiful stuff. You could check it out at starrewards dot com dot AU. Alison gallagher. She's one of my movie, crush buddies. She sent she sent me a mug. So this is probably a movie crush thing of triceratops that says crushing it. Nice. That's awesome. Very cool Bill. This has to do with movies. But I don't know if it was movie crossville wagon or send us the DVD of Mongol. Oh, yeah. Remember that one that was for us the one version of the Gingas Kahn story. That's that didn't star somebody like, Omar Sharif or the Duke. That's right. It was like actually a good movie. I haven't watched the up and I'm looking forward to it been floor. Felow F L O R cintas. His this is very cool. Reusable carbon-fiber drinking straws plastic straws are a very caused as your people should stop using them as much as possible. Yeah. Saw a little stat. Yeah. They said they take like ten minutes to make twenty minutes to use in stay in the environment. Forever. Well, so Ben has a company called loose stir L U S T I R where he makes these carbon. Fiber drinking straws, they come in a little carrying case that you can just though when your car or your purse, and if you like to drink out of straws, then you can carry it around and bring your own straw and say, no, thank you. I have my own straw. Yeah. It'd be like medieval times everybody had to walk around with their own spoon. If you lost your spoon you starve to death. That's right. Big. Thanks to Brad Ashmore for sending us his book of short weird fiction. Had he warned a different body. I remember that one Angela from Tasmania since some lovely lovely knitted hats from on stralia wool. Nice. Thank you. We got an awesome drawing of us from Eugene Gorman. He did an awesome pencil drawing of us, and you can see it and all of his other stuff on Instagram at Gorman. Eugene check him out John D sin his hand painted portraits. You can go to John D dot com, actually, J O H N D dot com to check out his art. Thanks, john. Those are very cool. The last one I've got this from Ryan. And the thirty year old engineer who is apparently still tells people as age when he says, hi, he he sent in a pack of pilot, friction raceable pen, right? They disappear with heat and reappear in the freezer, and they are pretty awesome sommes a lot Ryan. That's that's that's pretty cool still I'm still a G GT guy. But that's nice. All right. I just got a couple more. William Dawson, sent ukulele for music, teachers and music, therapists, it's book that he put together about how the ukulele in be used as music therapy. That's awesome. And it's very cool. And I do have a ukulele. So I'm gonna take a look at that. 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"The of nice firepit gone here. Okay let's go right. Hello everybody is matt felix. And you're coming to you from the very end of our off warning californians dreaming and we're coming to you at the very end of the american continent that's right. You're here at the pacific ocean. Erica came into awareness of its mortality when the wave finally broke the back the terminator american consciousness the pacific ocean and california and all it represents for people who aren't aware of it California is like new york on crack or weed. Yeah shield out at new york is new york on crack. No more i. It's sort of like six on on chachis. No you gotta go. I gotta say like as now a lifetime new yorker for the past six years Spice has going for it. But it doesn't look. If i can't go to optimize will fucking kill myself. I'm so ready to go back to new york city. Just get hot chop cheese. Oh you ought to get one of those piping hot off the friars coat me over here. I've actually never had a cheese. Never had a trap. I did once. They chopped up the peacemaker. That's all they did. You wanna hear i ordered. Has your your your already know the vibes. Good let me get a chop cheese extra Already know the vibes. Hook it up though. Ach her doctor. Okay no. I don't know i i heard people say it. Is there just a lot of guys named doc. I mean because it could be short. It could be someone abbreviating ahmed or just like. That's like an honor bodies spaces right now felix. No no this is that you learn. I don't think it's a slur. Because it was guys who are on good terms with him okay and they. It was like people have several different races. Okay maybe it's just short for. I don't know But i like to think that like just misinterpreting it and being like. That's the guy who works bodega. that's his title miz arc. Well see a trip to california. I don't know. I just really now in to going back to new york. The formerly the number one best city in the world but falling in the rankings. I actually so excited to go back. I really am because you can walk to your gym. That's the only important thing about living anywhere. I feel like. I had to like go two miles to the gym here. Like a fucking someone who lives in lithuania or something. It fucking sucked and do nothing else was good. I had a good time here. I actually did ever really good timing great. Show everyone who We got to spend some time with your in california. Well i think just things off today though. I think the most important thing we need to talk about is felix felix experience or a number a number of experiences. Really there is discussing on the shell so this morning. When we woke up he saw an unexpected side. I was stuck in the washing machine. You already know style No i i Courtesy of friend of the show in friend of all shows and all connections all things jack wagner. I was able to meet monkeys today to head summit between you and the monkey nation. They were really fucking cool anyway. Let's go to the tale of the tape here. Let's walk us through your animal encounters This morning because you had you had a bunch of them and you should have communed with with a couple of different different souls today. So this is it's like a. It's a rescue place. That sort of like. They're being zoned out of it at the move. Four miles like sort of outside of la county because of some one of those owning things. I don't understand. But basically there are a rescue sanctuary for like animals who are actors or like exotic. Pets should have been kept his pads. Who like maybe they met medical problems or maybe they just like they can't be released back into the wild. They can't just be you. It's impossible for them to like be a cappuccino again for them to be like a serval again or for them to be a kangaroo in some cases again and for some animals there. It's like you know someone just saw a called animal control about a wolf came in the backyard and these people are like we can take care of it and they do they do fucking great job. Here it's called Animal animal tracks inc And actually do need money for the move but it is. It's fucking awesome place. It's really fucking sweet and yeah. I got all types of favorites were there. Let's go on like the top five favorites but the rank them but like let's just let's let's go through. Let's go through. The personal interaction was with the capi chin who like he like crawled on my shoulder and then he looked tried to take my watch off not to steal it. He was just interesting now worked and he wanted to likely story. No he's not a thief he was you know he was like. Oh how does that. They're curious and there are cousins. So like i would let him take your hat off. I saw a picture can use a pot oil hat. He took my zapata oil. Had off and then like he like rubbed my hair for a little bit and then let me put it back on. You is so sweet and like another monkey There were the first thing we saw was in and baboon friends and we didn't play with them. Lovely they're like. Those are two like the monkees that we were able interact with their. They were like more okay around people but the mikhak baboon are like. They're really good at the people who work there and volunteer there. But it's like you don't wanna just entering personnel. You shouldn't like in the cage with them or in on the cage but in their sanctuary and but we did get to see them and there's a cool story that the baboon really wanted to be a mother and couldn't but they introduced the baby macaca inter environment and she just treats like yeah the macaca macaque. Yeah it's so sweet. It's so sweet and so like the bay mkaku kind of annoying. I guess he would fuck with other other monkeys there and baboon like basically taught him how to grow up. It's very special. yeah no it's such a fucking cool place. There are like more classic animals. You'll see like there's skunks and there is like an armadillo and it's like you really see every animal as swag like when the armadillo saws walking by it started like it started like getting up on its hind legs. A little bit of quotable at all. No no he he like. He did like wanna make an impression which i thought was amazing. Okay i got to give them a tight. Five former show biz. Animals go all right. I'm going to give him by clean five minutes. The one i did on leno. they have a lemur there that like. I guess someone fucked up like someone just through neglect but there. He's sort of. I don't wanna say palliative care because it's not towards the end of his life span but it's like he sort of has had paralysis and they're they're training at like they're amazing they're giving him cbd. For that i think so. Yeah yeah but it's like you can give to animals. It's natural it's from the earth from the earth but like no is an amazing place. It was one of the best my life honestly like meeting. The monkees was it. Just i don't know but not just the monkeys like obviously the monkeys are amazing and they are cousins and everyone knows my my thoughts about primates are there. They represent fragments of humanity individually s. I what is the The capuchin monkey represent mischief hearted mischief. But trying to get one over on. You dislike as a game. You always unexpectedly. Cool though i mean. Of course it's cool because they're coal animals but walls. Yeah you edison some wolf encounters as well so there. They have a hybrid. There who like his mom was wolf in his dad was dog which is like if the dog does he like he really pulled. The will medicare story a so. He's like one hundred and fifty. Pounds fucking massive. We like you said the interesting fact that these hybrid species lose the size regulator in there gene code or some a lot of them do a lighter. For instance is bigger than a lion or tiger. They're like absurdly large. Yeah reproduce yes so like this wolf dog type thing. It's like you know wolf really doesn't get bigger than like would like one hundred ten one hundred twenty pounds. It's just impractical for all the distance they to cover but this dude is a fucking tank but he was. He wasn't like it's not like a labrador. Where like you know how a labrador runs up and rubs alongside union demand attention. This guy was like cool but he was happy to see you. He would just go to you he would like. He bumped his nose into my pocket not to try to take my vape like the captain did try to do but just like see what was up with me but then yeah he just walked around at his own thing and me. Jack talked about this. How there is a real feeling of calm around the wolves. Because i mean the monkeys are cousins but the wolves we've been working with them for like a million years there our partners. Yeah and it was. It was very sick. I mean it's like you. The monkey is like the cousins that you see like a couple times a year big holidays but the the wolves they're like your co worker. Yes you have to see them every day. Yeah but it was understood thing between us but it was. You know any alpha if anyone can do something like that. Go to like a sanctuary where you know that they're you know. This place is totally fucking legit. Like does great by the animals have there and the everyone they're like genuinely really cares about the welfare and the enrichment of the animals. And you're able to go and just check things out like it's fucking awesome and support any place like that and especially this place in me and jack. We're talking about doing like a fundraiser On twitch because displace needs to cover moving gauze in. It's such an amazing place. I mean you know you show biz historically been awful to animals. It's nice that someone's looking after them. Not much better to people. That's for sure. The only big difference between child actors and animal actresses. The animal actors rarely go on to hold up convenience stores. I learned something. This is an interesting thing i learned. I like asked have jokingly like because there is an animal. There was a monkey who is in a forgot. I forgot which movie was but it was like a pretty big movie like a disney movie. And i said we'll like can you get residuals for a monkey and it's apparently not because the animal trainers joined the transportation union because they wanted to transport their own animals. Obviously they should they know everything about it but that kept them from being part of sag where they would get residuals which sucks so like. They wanted residuals. They would've had to like a bring a bear to set like in their car in the back seat Like we're ready to go. Don't say we're from the craft service table. I'm they should though like shit like okay. If you're just gonna put an animal in a fucking movie and the movie makes a billion dollars worldwide. But then. The animal was like fucked up from being. Read that hard onset. It's being being tortured by ronald reagan. Bedtime for bonzo aggressive is like that can become an aberration. You have to pay for that chimps. Please drop in the bucket folly. Way tell you what ronnie did. Well that bozo's on the shitty bongos all right. But no that was. It was an amazing experience. I wanted to ask you about one more. The animals and i know you saw A serval cat yeah. I think i'm buying one now getting everyone. You can't do in new york in california though. Probably not i mean you honestly like shouldn't because of course wild animal if you're these people and you know everything about them but what if you're like mean you just felt a genuine connection to it i did. He was ski reminded me of ernest. They share some sort of universal youngin cat consciousness. There's aspects ernest in. Because like i often like i often imagine martin is some sort of like immortal being or or energy like thinks like presence that is passed throughout the ages. That makes sense of cats. Like they're just like i mean they do. They are portals to the world of the dead. Yeah there like thirty different types of cats and they're all just cycling and when your kids sleeping being cat somewhere in like turkey. I love that i love. Cats will lead. You must day. They're sleeping body sharing the universal cat. Being it's just like It's a hive mind just shared consciousness. I have to go to that cat behavior. All just because my cat keeps commuting quantum sues but there was also a bangle and it was called the bangle bengal tiger no a bangle like cat bengal cab bengal cat. It's weird it's like it's one of those you know like a palace cat. Those that the prospect park zoo. I love them. They're great they're really cool fucking love but you know like while. They looked like house cats. It's really exactly. It was like a weirder of fatter version of look at him from a distance. You're like just a normal get closer. Look and it's like oh it's like it's hey durfee like red funny look i love. Ballads cats They're really cool. It's like one of those types of cats words like the closer you look at it. You're like oh it's claws are a little longer. It's beefier than most god's stocky. Yeah but yeah. It was one of those live together and seemed to get along pretty well. Let's fantastic and then finally There are some some kangaroos and wallabies as well. Yeah yeah yeah. The kangaroos and wallabies live together. Which was sick. Like apparently the kangaroo came from and not withholding this. I don't know they wouldn't tell me asd. There was a famous person who like illegally obviously had one and these people thankfully ended up taking care of it. But i don't know i'm trying to. It would be funny if it was someone on it. Was noah baumbach an exotic pets. Anderson noah baumbach like. He's doing an interview. I just really think the most interesting part of the story is how people feel or whatever and then it's like he gets off and he's just like he's james franklin spring breakers rip zip collared shirt off and he's wearing like a fucking rasheed wallace jersey and and he's got some fronts and then hobson fucking kangaroo pouch my bitch trix movie shark jacuzzi. Just every you pull down like nyu tisch school degree and buying it. There's just like gold plated as shit. Thank god i'm don't that fucking bitch as enter the you didn't his heart of hearts to go bullets fucking vampires scarface on repeat scarface on repeat constant. Y'all well those we're talking about. Animals animal facts in the animal kingdom. I mean this is a segue into a question. I've been pondering this week because like you know this is our first trip after fucking being inside all fucking here blah blah. You know the drill here. We've we've heard a billion times before but you know new york. La i'm erica. Is going out. But with the fallout. I feel sort of like those bacteria that's in the fucking permit is just like as the fuckin- glaciers melt. They enter the atmosphere again and like rex. Gonorrhea is going to be cocky all over us sort of like like a an emotional psychological sense that have been in sort of In stasis for a year and now that things are beginning to again social lives are returning and extensive kind of like public. Being and behavior is coming back to us. I strongly feel that. Like i have this strong sense. That much of us have gone feral. Oh yeah we're just it's this. This summer is going to be so fucking crazy. And i just feel like i swear to god like this. It felt like like freshman year in college like nobody knows how to drink anymore. Nobody knows how to act anymore. No one knows how to find funding even just on the flight over here. I saw today. The two airlines have just recently banned all alcohol on. Conserving drinks anymore. Which is like a lotta people like rely on that. Be a scotch or whatever. They think it's like one of the only decent parts of air travel. But like and i'm sure they make a lot of money to do word to the wise. Evan outlawed mouthwash.on. Planning but no people going and say like i there. There's a woman on the flight out here who was just like didn't know how to actually like was trying to like as the plane was still being boarded. She was trying to come from the back of the plane to the front of it. As there is a line of people getting onto the plane and apparently it's been like tons of fistfights on airplanes and and yeah they're banning alcohol is the thing and the now like bars are opening up and shit. I don't know unless you've been steady drinking this entire year or chances are tolerance is going to shit and like i said yeah i. It's like nobody quite knows how to act anymore. We've we've lost. We need some sort of like rebuild. Our our social muscles. But the way that's manifesting itself in our current american society is a little frightening because like one of my biggest fears about cova. Ed and a year of quarantine is that like it is like just turbocharged are like everyone's individual paranoia about everyone else. Oh yeah about like other people as a thin. We've all we've all had all those. Those cultural divides reinforced. Everybody is a representative of aside. That wants the death of the republic that it's the the the social stakes are so high. Yeah no trust at all and so you got a bunch of people who are wildly paranoid all coming back into public to interact with each other out of a shared desire to like he. He'd mystically indulge that's going to require them to confront people who they've never trusted less. That is the recipe. My friends for fireworks. Okay so if you are in a situation where you're in public and you think you might get into like a biting war with someone Here's something you can use to break. The ice in may be may make people remember their humanity. Okay oh both sides want the death republic you know. Sometimes i'm not sure if i'm watching c. Span or star wars and. i think someone's going to hear that and remember you know their childhood dave buried stuff like that doonesbury all the classics and they will retract their keith. Their canine teeth will shoot back into their mouths. We'll just like anecdotally like T two incidents stick out of my mind just in this past week going going out and going to hours and having fun in los angeles one night we were just bar regular like nice bar like outdoor area like cozy interior But very small bathrooms and like in the ladies room. Only one only one toilet and kevin goes in there and opens the stall and there is a woman Passed out on the toilet like with her pants now. Oh boy and it's negotiations you get them out of the bathroom and then the other night when we all went out for Korean barbecue like after after after a meal You know i go to the bathroom. I go to the bathroom. I swear to god. I had an encounter with like a life e one character. Yeah i get in there. It's like it's it's three urinals against the wall and there's two guys like the peeing next to each other and then like the one who is in the middle close to the the open your and all that i was about to occupy was standing so far back in the urinal that i could see his dick in his hand and like no. I wasn't looking. I mean i suppose i was. I caught a glance of it but he was just just just pissing like just just openly. They can hand and his friend. He's like yo out drunk is up. Yeah that's because you are a scoop circus you please check. Please wear masks. Your mask is up low. Your news I i do my do my business at the all. And then i go to wash my hands and then the guy who was like pissing out back from this fall is sort of like like like hanging out in. The bathroom is looking at me. And he's going go to move tonight. I'm going home sir. Leave me alone. That's awesome about just like yo you feeling good man and like i suppose it's sort of like a positive in one sense because like people are so happy to be out again and just being stupid other people you know but like i said i. It's very much freshman year at college vibes but in a country that's like just been driving itself insane for like the last year and another manifestation this amount. We were talking about like california. Was it like the other week. There is like a wildfire in pasadena. Pacific palisades the palisades and The the citizen app which has become like outsource law enforcement like has they put out some alert about like some random person who they said was responsible for this fire. And the deputize all. They're like ultra paranoid. Like wait urban dweller fucking like app users to like find in hunt this guy down. Yeah no evidence whatsoever. The worst thing that can happen i was i was thinking about your guy in the bathroom and It brought me to a broader point of something. I do like about california and instead You did that type of guy how best to describe him. Non offensively white guy wearing huge. Unc powder blue shorts most of his time at what. I mean polo shirt. He's like a white guy who wears like you know south pole twenty twenty one and it's like you see that guy. If you live in like i guess you know. Fort wayne. Indiana or like nebraska. But you don't see that guy in like new york really chicago like that guy died out. Yeah like eight years ago and it's the same with like sort of girl like you know like a braehead mythbusters waitress and it's like but they're in la there in la because if you're like that like if you're like a white guy who's lake do wearing shorts just dogs to strangers like that or like you're sort of like mythbusters mythbusters like you know blustery Burlesque show fucking cards against humanity gal. It's like you're from nebraska or somewhere and people were like you're the coolest person this talent you have to go to. La the make it and it's like they all come here and la is dark souls because la is where people go to get hollowed like people go out here to do something whether it is show business or something that sort of adjacent to show business. It's like oh. I'm like I'm the best fucking signed spinner in delaware. Go to la. Signed spin for hollywood movies. And then you get out of here and obviously it's the most low percentage industry on earth. You don't make it and keep dying every day pretty much over and over again until you're completely fucking insane and you like you just go up to strangers in. It's like yeah you would be perfect for my movie. It's about a cop who's arresting himself because he is split personality disorder. I'm directing it now on my phone because it's like there's so many people just go walking nuts out here like i guess. New york has just like a good baseline of like constant miserable. Ms bridges like neuroses usually in la like just anyone you meet could just be totally insane because they have been hollowed by the process of being out here. I i'm i'm loving every moment. I love being hollowed out. Yeah no cord a Fuji apple it's great. Well you know the adherence of the of the church and londor in dark souls three believes the hollow is the true state of humanity. There you go. Yeah and maybe they're right. That is the darkness within us. Is is governor. La yeah. i've been a little too full. I think it's just a little bit hollow. Yeah but no. I was just like not the other. Citizen app thing like they. Just you know this. Vigilante campaign to find this guy supposedly started this forest fire. But then with the other weekdays. They like this thing about their citizens considering launching their own private police force. Yeah because the original concept was if somebody sees a crime and you could like crowd source a response but the real long-term goal was to give people a subscription service where they saw crime or we're having a when committed against them could call a privatize police force. That would come immediately. And that's kind of what they've been trying to set up with The the app that they've created and the culture around snitching that they're trying to encourage because they want to update people all the time about dangerous in the area to get them where it's like that and next door just like this is highly like under siege mentality of these urban dweller. Who've you the entire like you know The the the city tap city cam like every other person who's like not known to them is is a threat and the threat to be cataloged and sort of a survey utilized. Yeah exactly and it's like the the citizen at private police force. I mean i think shows like this what is going to happen with law enforcement in this country yet to fund the police. Or not though. That's the thing you can be totally totally police department. Now like generously will find a way to fucking like create these boutique sort of subscription based like civil service. Nothing's in the way of doing it. Therefore they're gonna do it doesn't mean they're yeah they're going to do it like yeah. This is sort of other like with with the summer of people. Being farrell is also coincided with you know. A steady uptick in violent crime across the board in america. Now when i say this it should be understood that this uptick crime is coming from a place of a near historical low right so like there. Is this narrative about like a. There is a panic about and violent crime particularly in violent crime. Among like you know already like underserved poor neighborhoods but you know. I don't want to make. It seem like there's a panic but you know if more people are getting murdered. It's certainly a you know it's not anything to sneeze at or whatever. I just think that like this in conjunction with everyone coming out of fucking hibernation and the knock on effect of like the absolutely like exponentially like paranoia that Particularly like voting people in this country have towards everyone else is going to make for like some kind of i dunno headed heady reactionary backlash that. I'm sure he's going to be parlayed into some awful republican resurgence in the the midterms or the next presidential election or whatever. Because it's just this is. This is what people feel now whether it's whether it's like actually like an accurate representation. There's some sort of like dramatically like rise in anarchy or or social decay or whatever is sort of beside the point. Yeah i mean it is what people feel and like there's like i don't think it's the majority of people but there are certainly like a large contingent of people that like think defunding. The police actually happened. Yeah and they're like well look what you got an. It's like budgets. went up for most people. Yeah yeah this is all meredith. I mean the crime rate is also mostly narrative. I mean you do have more murders. In certain places. But like it is a statistical fluctuation in some respects no like a like a not not only like people think that like police departments across the country have been funded but like if you follow people who You know share stories of their relatives on facebook or in real life if you live in a city. There's a good chance that like you have Aunts and uncles who believe that your city is already been like destroyed. Yes i ride. Burned all of new york city or portland or los angeles was last summer raised like sherman marching to the sea by by antifa fucking black lives matter or whatever then the cops are now just like you know not even going to work or whatever. Yeah because it's all media narrative like the the crime rate no matter what. How real it is. It's being experienced by most of these people. The voting people vicariously. it's not in their communities. Not really i mean And especially the ones in the suburbs. The whether or not the police have been defended or not. You don't know you're only experiencing as it was narrated and crime rates. You aren't experiencing own in any way other than his narrated and it's being narrated as police Funding went down and crime. Went up and so you're going to be dealing with that reality no matter what actually happened. Yeah and that and that is going to be the narrative the like you know every politician is gonna fucking ram to the hilts too scared suburban voters the next two three four years right I see like bill. Bratton was interviewed by marine dowd in the new york times and she just gave him like just let him like say whatever he wanted. He's like well. They got what they wanted they funded the police department now. Cops don't want to go to work or do their job. Yeah thanks bill. Yeah what a. What a fucking asshole. Like the counter example to this is the election. That krassner just one in philadelphia. 'cause like leading up to that there. Is this whole spate of articles being like oh like you know like The limits of krassner is like soft on crime. Approach is running headlong into like you know Down economy and rising crime and like are you know these voters going to reject. It was just seemed like they were all. These articles are sort of making. It seem like it was a fait accompli. That crashed there was going to be voted out like the people who who you know in. These poor communities are working class communities would be like so turned off by the rising crime and not only that not happen. But i think he won by about three to one. Yeah and with votes are most of these communities that these people are supposed. That's people who are experiencing it is it really is both ends of it. Not just the end where they get to root for people to go to jail. They're experiencing heavily policed and the crime that usually yeah as with like over militarized policing whereas a lot of people talk about in the political sphere. Only experience park curiously but the democrats very well could get owned by this if they do with. They're probably going to do which is Fuck up the rest of their time with any power. Don't pass anything else And allow the only debate to be that. Because everything's going to be getting worse and there will be no they'll run to the right on the on the crime issue which i mean they already have. Yeah i can see democrats like the classic democrat up where they're like. Oh we're actually increasing funding to the police and it's so it's like they're implicitly. Admitting there is a problem then they can be accused of flip. Flopping like bull last year he wanted to take away the money. I wanna give them more. I don't know we'll we'll we'll see i mean i think they have a really bad midterm and twenty twenty four. A lot of. That's going to be like kind of dropping the ball on on voting rights stuff. Yeah no i mean like. I was thinking about the other day. Because like i remember like a last episode of percents whatever we talk about like the capital riot. There's always a couple of people who are just like. Why don't you take this more seriously. Because i was there and it was fun. It's it's a coup attempt like our this is a rehearsal for this is rehearsal or a message like every republican politician. That like they should not even dare to respect the results of any election in which they don't win. Yes senate county. Officials state and county officials just simply refused to certify. Which as you can if they don't win unless they already did that. I have but i have absolutely no doubt that that is what they're going to do and do more and more frequently and openly and i have no doubt that the capital riot was a connection to that. But here's the thing. Don't get mad at me. Get mad at the fucking democrats because if they took this as seriously as you claim to believe then like why are they trying to work with the republicans to have a commission on this. You only fucking hearings are republicans had about been ghazi with democrats like signing onto that like wh why. Why aren't they like. Why are the people that you trust with to protect you from this vicious right wing Demagogic anti-democratic why don't they see it. The same way you do. Because i mean look i think. The capital riot was like a joke. I mean if anything they agreed with. Larry is because they didn't it was spectacular failure but like but they did a good job. What i mean is like on things like voting rights on things like have a commission on what happened to you know. Stick it to these assholes the way they did to you and benghazi or whatever. They simply won't do it well. They've got bigger. They got more important things to hold onto. You can't fuck with the filibuster you can't. You cannot make it more likely. That pressure can push the democrats in a direction that they don't wanna go. They've got a heavy lit on the top of this thing. They're doing this big aggressive push which is supposed to be up by the new fbi but it's entirely from on finding the least amount that they can give to kick start the economy and we're gonna come down whether they get wacked and twenty twenty is gonna come down more than anything new whether it works whether it's able to in its you know pittance do enough to kick start something with all that pent up demand from the quarantine and you get like a little a little economic boost and then if that happens maybe they'll in the midterms or at least stamps the bleeding but otherwise. They're gonna get creamed if it keeps limping along. They're going to fucking cream as bad as the midterms could be. And i think it's still difficult calling it now like you gotta know about the economic macro right right. I do and this is even more difficult to call but it is hard for me to picture too. Many people who would like give biden a ton of trouble unless he really fucked up If by choose biden again which. I currently have no reason to believe that they won't know if you ran kamala. President grandpa is. It's testing through the roof with all the key demos. yeah grandpa's owning and kamal is still underwater pas. The biggest hit this had said the other day chocolate chocolate chip the girl he was show. What are you doing. I'm especially honored to share the stage with britney injured nathan and margaret. Catherine i love those wretched man. Tell you what look at her. She looks like she's nineteen years old sitting there with a little later. Show shift robin at. What are you doing it so funny because kamalle is trying so fucking hard. She's trying so fucking heartily become thing and she's like going in every fucking direction trying to appeal to everyone. No one's really into it. But then biden goes out there. And he's like i like casey kindergarteners on the lips because their lifts soft like sixty percent of people are like sixties every day every single day when they even allow him to like come out in front of a green screen he's like when they made filipinos they really oh man. They broke all broke the on of what they did there. Initially the demographic that biden struggled with the most and twenty twenty that augured the worst for the future of the democrats was with hispanics his high approval ratings. Include a huge on hispanics. So he's got them right. Now we'll be able to hold onto my guess no reverse day live where we don't have the glasses so like we see what he's actually saying ways actually saying. You know i'd love to go to sally hawkins with your seven year old weird shit but what people are people are hearing like they. I don't know like floride gives you the like takes away the glasses and they're hearing like the most beautiful speeches ever so when you know we hear abidance betray goes president will trent. And we're like what the fuck like people are hearing. Jed bartlett like we've had like were at our age like the fluoride in our body and bloodstreams. It's not built up to the level. That like boomers count. Yeah so they get their own the biden wavelength. Yeah they like they experience in feel him in a way. That is totally unique to the way we do. They don't they don't know that he's had hair plugs for the last thirty years. They think he just has a big beautiful wafting chestnut main. They like if you like. Brush your teeth with the lead. Toothbrush your entire gel. That there's something about like the timber biden's voice and like the insane content says where you're like this is this. Is the best president like ever in human. This is the best world leader in human history. And he's just like villa. Ask him a question like are you can still up israel. And he's like chocolate chocolate chip. I came here to get ice cream in front of the car. You're fucking ask for example that as a perfect example of that because like i remember like when trump was president and like the absolute open contempt for the press corps like it drove them crazy one of his best feed. Yeah but like these biden and like all his people have exact same content. Absolutely the press with biden. They like it when he makes someone with a car. Who's asking him a question about selling weapons to a fucking ongoing war-crimes. Carl wright rugby over mac clone that biden your not much get in front of cars step on every headline about biden in like the new york times or any like you know avowedly like non-partial news sources like biden stuns nation with beautiful sandwich and the speech is like you know. I remember when you could put a hand behind a girl skirt when you were in line binder. You can't do that anymore. A gay guys as one part their eyebrow so you knew that you could take a behind a set of bush's and do what you had to do. Be all used to be all tom of finland and wearing leather outfit and put a nose ring us you could grab them by agreeing to bring his head down there like the most people ever cried hearing that speech but the question that the with that he said about. I'll hit you with. My car is like the funny thing is like most of the press corps wants to run over someone with a car if they asked the same question. Because there's just like that's not fair. yeah don't ask that question. Don't ask why we're selling fucking fucking billion dollars worth of weapons to jake. Tapper is tweeting random people just a random guy in like san diego's palestinian being like this guy's antisemitic like what the fuck instantly getting say. It's an insane. But that's that's the non-partial american press Talking about that. I mean i like it was last week. Everyone had a lot of fun with With the furlough. Louis august and a lot of people were were demanding that are just not demanding but like excited for the her insane tablet piece about you know how her cheese cost theory about like they they they they want us to do. You know. that's what they had done with him for a day. Say about steam. It's absolutely awesome so that you're talking about like biden selling them another billion dollars in fucking weapons they're not talking about biden's complicity in all this. You're not talking about like the ongoing fucking war-crimes like fuck way there. They would rather you talk about. I mean everyone's guilty of this because it's ever post. I don't wanna i don't wanna like tell people what to post and it's like you know. Everyone has their guys some people. The avar barlow. I have arson the who makes them pie. Guy the the mikey miles. But it's like at the end of the day it's like you know. I think a good rule is like for every time you make a post like making fun of those guys. You should like you know. Make people see something that the palestinians say. They will debase themselves to whatever exactly exactly they would rather you talk about what an asshole they are. And whether it in utah you talked to any palestinian whether that had a dream namedrop thus in the spectator or whatever and the most tortured analogy ever baffling comedy s chopper trap us as the henry kissinger guy defending eve barlow in the spectator which is like by the way one of the most anti semitic publications like maybe outside of their hammer rights for them on their. He said he said a. Seth rogan is comedy as shoplift trap is to henry kissinger. He's had sex with is so bad i it says a guy is to politics and then shouldn't be west to comedy comedy shopper. Traffic is the politics. Yes that would make sense. Why would he not do that. But like what. How do they can politics. He said henry kissinger debase design. This is out. The base zionist are. Do you know how how much you have to suck to just like being completely jewish. Everyone knows you is your tire family. And you suck it making movies you suck it right making. Tv shows you like you probably couldn't even put together boy band and puts a fucking gun to your head. Find five photogenic. T a seventeen year old from florida. Make a boy band. You couldn't do it all you can do. Is like debase yourself. So people won't talk well then he feels like like exactly like your point you made about debasing oneself or like the way these people do base themselves is exactly the same thought i have. It's very true. It's like whether it whether it's eve barlow or bhatia bone gar sargon or any of these fucking clowns that just step out there like just rate like the shittiest article imaginable that it's just so humiliating them. That what they were like they have no compunction about literally saying that like sending an emoji to me is like the holocaust and the thing is. They're aware of that because like this is they're they're willing to step is part of a larger project in which these people are willing to sacrifice themselves to step into the breach of absolute ridicule and debasement to do for a very important function. Which just not talk about fucking like like what's actually going on to the the actual like it did talking about social media pogroms. Distract you from the actual poker or going onto the actual fucking like ethnic cleansing and mass murderer. That's taking place by the state that they fucking basically all you know admire seek to defend. Here's the little rule thumb. I'm going to give you one of his rally. Does a bad piece of media. It's not on purpose. They're trying their best. That's literally the best they can. When like an american an american zionists actually would never move to israel because they're so bad at making shows and stuff is is writing the worst article you've ever read it's on purpose. It's a thousand percent on purpose and like these people are. They're courting the exact reaction and then they couldn't have been could have been happier with it like that like that. That's not to say you shouldn't make fun of them or like. I'm not trying to tell anyone like oh like don't have fun or don't don't fucking wind up these idiots though. Yeah like the fact. That like i well over ten thousand people march in washington. Dc this weekend in solidarity with palestine. This is like they're like that lobbyists clearly nervous because it's like not just americans openly supporting palestine but americans openly going look away. What the fuck is this. Like the fact that there are so many people who haven't made up their mind which is ridiculous but like still. That was a block of people that you formerly was like with israel one hundred percent of the way. Because that's all. I've seen on tv or read and that's up for grabs like this and that they are. It's not a total control of the narrative that does send a shiver down their spine. Here's an. I saw a poll today. That was like an overall like poll. Like americans and it was like. Who do you blame for. Like the violence. In in israel palestine and overall mung americans. It was basically forty sixty people forty percent who blamed israel and sixty percent. Who blamed hamas if you look at the age splits in this poll under forty. It's flipped sixty percent. Blame israel forty percent blame hamas and if you're over forty it's even more drastic. The older you get the more likely you love is more. You love israel and the less and less sympathetic you are the less you want to hear about palestinians or their right to fucking self defense or you know a lot of us. Have everything a pinned on the rapture okay. Yeah they need to rebuild their temple. Chop shop cannot have a tip for everyone When you wanna post about like any of these people all day. There's something my spencer that has been doing this really funny to me and every time someone has like you know virality bad post he just replies to them with links to alluvia rodrigo songs on spotify. Check it out just do that. It's baffling doesn't give them the reaction they want. You can go on with your day. Yeah i mean these people are. It doesn't matter how ridiculous or stupid it seems. It's it's working for them and they're well aware of it and look i. I do it too like i time. Fucking a rowling. These people up as well but it's just be aware that like it is. It is entirely their goal. It's been is entirely their goal to fuck in like say something unbelievably cretinism and offensive. And then when people make fun of them to fucking cry about it and be like oh look. This is everything i said is shrill fucking look anti semitic and You know just make sure you know. Have as much fun as you want. But make sure that at the end of the day. You're not spending more time reading articles like people in the forward who you know fucking sock and you know they're gonna say anything anytime you know you can read like mamata occurred yet you can. You can read like the some like the actual journalism about what's going on there So as you're talking about religion matt here. Here's a story that i saw yesterday that I think is right up your alley. It was about the release of an upcoming release of a new edition of the bible. God bless america versus the headline. This story the protestants. They're there got folks. This'll be like an expanded version of the bible with will include the. Us goes situation in the forward lyrics from lee greenwood's classic. God bless the usa. This literally like in the bible would be killed. Yes people like. God kills people in the bible. Do shit like this institution you fucking heathens is like they are. It's like they heard are sacred and profane for christ's sake. They heard what we said about them. Not worshiping god worshipping america. And they're like. That's a good idea. What i worship literally what i want. I love it when they do it. That's the best thing about the protestants as they. Just do it right for. You don't have to say anything it's like. Yes you worship america. Yeah you say it is the devil. The devil worship of personal advancements in the form of america if we if we had a joke on the show where it's like. Oh what are american partisans doing putting the constitution in the bible. We'd be like cut that dick like that so it's like garth gene is gone so we've almost heaven on the episode. That sucks so much. But no they're like actually like they like. There's so far that way they're like. Yeah a graphic novel about like a hypocrite evangelical who gets beat up by a cool guy who drinks. It's they're awesome but like to see that thing about like the older you are the more you love. Israel is obviously more christian. You are the more you love israel. And that's why in american culture like like especially among evangelical. Protestants is why america's like unwavering support for israel. The fifty first state is so important. Because it's our. It's it's america's connected to the bible. Because if you are an evangelical protestant in america the biggest problem that you have is not only is that not only is god not in the constitution at all. America is not in bible at all. That's why the smart ones became more. Yes shit out as new testament genius. And what a shock among american non-catholic not jews. Who is doing the best who thriving relative to the baseline of like just white people fucking mormon mormons more. Protestants are all like dying in mass. Yeah like cove it or like just driving. A brick wall and mormons are like gender frigate reveals mormons. Mormons went from being like an entertainer in group of just would get kicked out of places for being too annoying. Now it's like oh no word. The american knights templar were were knights the security state. We have the most money. Were actually growing up. We own an invasion of capitalism to their social grouping. Yes recognize the need to do that and they were like. They solved all the problems they didn't try to wedge a square peg into square or circular hole. But they were like no. We have to make a new thing where we're got where we become god after we die like it's no that's why like the smart hustler's became mormons. The fucking the dumb asses. The lazy players they stayed. Now we're going to stick with this desert religion and just try to like grafted on and then it ended up being totally dissolved into nothing. How do you like how many more has happened with more guys before. But there aren't a lot of like mormon. Jim baker like guys who are going to go on tv and kreil the time. No i mean maybe if you're in utah. Nevada their south. Whether it's to be of if you'd like mormon tv there won't be like a nationally famous mormon like they won't allow a net like the nationally famous mormon like basically renounced mormonism to. He's like glenn beck is functionally the first. he's like. Oh i didn't know. He fully convert now no. He was a conflict of dole concert so always lightly held yet. No he's not a true templar doesn't hold the templar blood and like he mitt. Romney was never allow himself to. God is some pride. That's the mormons have pride yes and of course punching people who live in mormon country or no of it are probably going no their socks. They're doing poorly to like utah has a lot of lower indices for for. It's yeah they're doing bad because everything is dissolving. But they are. They held out longer than the rest of us. Yeah and like i. If this thing we have now cracks in reforms and amber turns to ash and then ember again and the flame rise again. It will be the mormon kingdom it's like. What's the only group that i think is organized. The americans asia's would be mormon. Yes absolutely my feet. My only favorite science fiction program the expanse like four hundred years in the future. It is very clear like the only major religious group that is still around or features like the culture is portrayed on the show are mormons and they're building a giant space ark to go very absorbed all that now. Yeah there probably fucking like they probably like. Mormons have probably like rented a big lots that they own a franchise to to the covenant. Well i mean those are here in a la. That is why the greatest american singer songwriter warns. 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Nothing can work in an infinite space like that you become eternal attorney and you're watching. Everything happened in front of you. Yeah they're like man they should just like instead of marvel movies. They should just make action movies. That are the mormon bible the new testament. Yeah they did a great job. Don't tell me about the bad stuff. That is all right. Well someone's gonna it's like dirty screenshots of the mormonism wikipedia not reading it. Go to hell blue. You're going back to new york. Monroe lesson i want to talk about. Today is A story at a new york this week in the new york mayor's race which i've been. I like astonishing with. I have followed it like almost not at all. Like i have no idea who's running for ra. Right you got scott stringer. You got the woman who apologize. Well we've got eric adams you got andrine. It's guy through dilbert. He's going to be mayor. Scott stringer eric adams. And like they're they're. They're both a mixed bag. But like you know what kind of new york city mayor. Is this job where you just absorb everything short. Everyone's like the painter painting of vigo the carpet in ghostbusters. Exactly you absorb you like you are the slime and ghostbusters to new york city. Mayor's like but you know. I mean we've made fun of the bangalore all the time. But here in america kovic. He defeated the trump virus. You the trump job by an economic. You don't have to wear a mask and equinoxes. He's the best mayor in the world. The wearing a dress shirt over the here this wag. Eric garcetti eric. Our city goes everywhere. Like people are like fuck you. You fucking suck. And when built a bungalow. He that only happens to him. Fifty percent of places and like okay like no buildable. Angler is the man. And i don't know like i guess i should care about this race. I like i like really. Don't want eric adams might be forced to vote in this. But they don't want andrew yang me. I don't want him one that i'm right. I mean everyone kind of sucks their shitty but like none of them are like wildly more terrible than the others but like november wildly better than the figures. I i want. I kind of want morales remarried. Because it would be so funny like it's like a former charter school person who's league at age like sixties like the accountability project says. She was years of that. Is sort of like the consensus like sort of like left wing progressive choice for mayor because because he says he said all the things or whatever but like air campaign imploded this past week where like our campaign manager quit and then she like the campaign released like what are the most baffling statements. Like you could just i. Could your eyes start bleeding staring at trying to figure out what the fuck. She's actually talking. Statement is apologizing for the conduct of a campaign staffer who did some unspecified and now. They're like they're working to hold space for for bodies yet. No it's like one of those apologies. It's so vague. Words like okay. Did he make an off color joke or did he like raw. Hit a girl with a car. My favorite type. It's like i don't know what. And i tried to person i asked. I was like this woman know what this is actually referring to and someone said it was because it was like a staffer was like was racist or an asshole like other people on the staff. Okay i was like but what though like how is he s. They're like. I dunno took the question. I just want the gos- yeah i wanna know the dirt and also if you apologize do accountability for shit like this. I don't think you should get points unless you make it very clear. Exactly what the fuck happened. It's true yeah this is just like allowing you to just be like it could have been. Yeah like an off color joke or it could have been a murder like what the fuck. Yeah i mean this has been what's insane to me about the mayor's race and like i guess how it's been or how they're all covered all the big municipal races in america. Like the big. Three i guess or the big four san francisco. La new york chicago. It's like you think about this particularly in l. a. Were everywhere you go there just like fuck. Just open. Human misery everywhere. There's so many people just fucking living outside under tarps and it's like there's been all this like there's been all these like media coverage of people who are like oh on leaving new york. I'm leaving. I'm going to like texas austin what that always is like if you really break it down one of its taxes. I guess but the other thing is you don't wanna see homeless people and you want to go to a place where they like to kill them quicker because that's all these municipal elections and all these places. The main thing the job is and for the people that are like fanatical about voting in them. It's basically like which way are we going to kill all the homeless. Yeah yeah and it's it's so fucking insane to me because even if you were going to take a cynical track with it like what's the best way to keep capital here and like two. In the long run save the most money generate the most revenue. It would be to take a billion dollars in state funds ear and be like okay. Here's an apartment like if you've been hearing even fucking insane by just leaving against the elements for three decades like here. You go like we don't want you to like fucking die outside. We don't want this to be like a societal problem. If you're just doing that from a cynical angle like fine. But it's like all like the only coverage i've seen is like you know did did yang have a moment on the view and it's like how is this not like a big issue is like the the thousands of people just like sleeping in the fucking rain. 'cause they have nothing they can do about it because although the answer the correct answer of pay for them to live. Humanely is obvious. Incorrect and feasible. You have to put the that housing somewhere and municipal power derives some fucking real estate developers and homeowners in some combination. And so you work for them if you're the mayor and so you have no real leeway to do anything other than just move almost people around and abused them so much that they take the hint and And leave town or something. The nineteen seventy mean they're awesome. The nineteen seventies were awesome for the american merrill system. Oh yeah it was the entire. I mean everyone who was mayor at that time was broken on the wheel and everybody was come after that knows. Yes or serve the fire industry. It's so it just so insane to me because it's like no one really like just across the board and this isn't one of the things where it's like. Oh people on the left talk about it. Now it's like no one really wants to talk about it. No one wants to think about it or see it. And it's like all these like people who may be in their personal lives to their families or good or you know. They consider themselves like outwardly. Progressive people will like if this was a direct vote. Like we're gonna kill all these people in a way you don't have to see. Oh yes vote yes like or maybe you can put it in those terms like the word kill you just like it was just you press the button and you're like you don't have to see them anymore. There's a problem. They're not supposed to hear that really even not happy. It's so insane to me that no one really portrays as like a national crisis which it is. It's just and i think the longer goes on the less likely anything will be done about it because every day that goes by that you live someplace like san francisco or new york for that matter and you just walked by encampments of people who have been driven insane. By the world enforced literally unto fucking sidewalks with indentations on their eds from sleeping against jagged edges. You you just dead in that part in you. That feels anything about it. Just a little bit more until it's like you just got blinders on walk right by those people serve a vital social function. The way they are that would be lost if they were treated humanely in that. Is there fucking warning everybody else if you have one of the invisible jobs if you're a guy who lives in a fucking shit apartment and your job is to wipe down the aisles. Cvs or like drive with uber or something like that. That's telling you like. Hey don't fuck up. Yup don't ask for much of that half coercion this is the coercion it is. It is creating these people to live in these lives. That doesn't have to be. And that is the fucking gun at the base of the net and this is on the treadmill and this is the this is on the exact same spectrum of like the conversations about like. Oh like i like how. How tight like you know. How generous should unemployment benefits really. Yeah like we don't wanna labor market. That's too competitive intake for employers or whatever it's this whole thing about like or should we really incentivize people not working. It's no they need that. Lash lash in their hand. And like if you are someone unemployment they want to force you right back and taken that job for fucking twelve dollars an hour and if you're like and again if you're making more like who the fuck would choose a job over that i mean and then in a homeless crisis like problem like again. You're exactly right malik. Those people will just be like. Hey you like that because if you don't fucking show up for work that's going to be you and no one's going to help you. No one's gonna help your invisible you're going to be literal garbage that have no rights no recourse and no one even notices your pain the most the most you can ever become like the story is when a bunch of rich people hate seeing you so much they go somewhere else. I mean like right here in la like they just Like echo park. They had this fear of echo park which had like a homeless encampment in it. And now they're just reopening echo par but there's a fence around the entire park and checkpoints to get back in which is like if you live in that neighborhood isn't that a fucking eyesore you can't even go to a public park without at bsn. Hey are you here for business or it looks like the yard at a minimum security prison now and apparently again this is like like such like like liberal brain like like one of the ways they're dealing with like the areas that were previously like had tents or camped out. They're going to be like with what they're doing now is that they're creating these like ecologically. Sustainable like cactus gardens. Because like this is this is this is. This is sustainable. This innocent to get everywhere. My car suck my fucking dick kerr. Any there are no sidewalks. Suck my fucking dick. You're cactus garden so they're creating all like actual space that would be available for a human being to sit or lie on. They're going to cover with fucking cactus spines but they're like. Oh that's sustainable. Doesn't waste water in like like you burn through a stegosaurus worth of fossil fuels to go to seven eleven here looking cactus garden all my god this satanic you look at it and you just think what is the long-term game plan here because you're just moving people around for huge amounts of money. They're spending over twenty six hundred dollars a month per tent to keep people in a big Parking lot next to the freeway in fucking tenth more than fucking oh A fucking two bedroom apartment in the city they could. They could just pay people to stay. There are spending that money Instead just moving yet. Moving everyone around. Okay yeah sandy mellon buses that it makes you think well okay. there's no wrong to implant. Here's your just kicking the can down the road and it's like isn't that going to eventually blow up in your face. It's going to be too many people to deal. With and the direction we're going is the creation of areas that are denied to homeless people. The une housed technologically like little little cantons Like central market and like suburban areas that are denied by by geography by the architecture by by the drone army. Whatever it is and then they'll be everywhere else and then you guys can figure that out your own even in the uk even the uk police. It has no value of human life. Yes a place where people lighted hell bid on they. The government will be like your. Were buying your apartment building. No one lives in so we can put almost people here and like i'm not saying they don't have the homeless problem but it's like they're doing something we don't really do here. I mean the only example. I've really heard of someone doing that on any type of scale was actually in utah. Yeah as would imagine. There's there's plans on books. La has this thing like room key project room key that the that they have funding for going to get more funding for which is just a buying out of unused hotel rooms and turning them into sort of like sa y. Not run by the states. We're not spend as much money as possible. And how is the least amount of people. Oh tell rooms. How many fucking empty are there. Well that's the thing is that they're they're not renting out the hotels they're turning the hotels into like dormitories. Basically and so far. They've used barely any of the money but the hope is that if they get. There's changes on the city council and stuff that they can get like really open the floodgates so they're architects cha to do something different. It's just a question of whether they can actually get Things together to make it happen. Sorry we got very far. Feel like Beca morales hang after the to the real ship. Expect mexico real fucking city. No i mean like there's a couple of threads interesting is like one is it should be like an object lesson in How fucking useless. That bodies spaces languages if it can if anyone can say it and it can be used. Deathly just basically like blinker. all what. i don't think of like what actually happened or what was said. Or i don't think it's totally useless because it's like well if you look at morales on paper it's like the use of it is. How did this person like again like i. I didn't i didn't know shit about her like it. Just oh she gets out. She says all the right things but like she was in bloomberg's fucking administration. She kicked contract business at the city. She bribed the water inspector of the bloomberg administration. She was in this like a fucking nonprofit. that was just like people for addicting people. And i don't know funding charter schools or something and then all of a sudden she's talking about fucking yeah like we are we are. We are doing the work of holding the space. The thing will that language will never work getting the amount of people you need to win the election but it will peel enough people off and that's the point of it. Yeah i mean. I worked enough to convince people to just be like oh. She's the progressive show. Yeah new york city and put those voters out of commission that should away and analysis to find out like oh like and then like her all her staff quits because they wanted to like. They wanted to form a union. The fuck fucking like the four second is the fucking primary like most most important union types are i would say campaign workers. This is the most important obviously is. I'm in favor of all. Workplaces being being unionized. The more the better in my opinion but like it's just like these like these campaigns jobs is like i mean isn't it isn't this just like a steppingstone for most these people get fucking jobs in politics. I'm gonna come out here and say i don't give a shit about people work on campaign i gotta say that. Also i'm sorry. Man i don't when it comes to around this. I don't really think that that really was some sort of left. Leftist insurgency candidate campaign powered by real. It seems like it was very focused. Group tested yeah. So whatever's going to happen there you'd expect it of course they're trying to secure the bag. Why wouldn't they. But i do. Think that like in a in a world where there are attempts to genuinely challenge the system through electoral politics people do take the plunge to try to do local and state When they do that they have to understand that they're subordinating their interest in some degree to something bigger than them right. Yeah like that. They're actually trying to get something accomplished more than just a job. More than just you know. Punch a clock like there's something that they're trying to accomplish there and i hope that this isn't just a sign that everybody is so kind of fixated on these models like unions are good. We need one for the workplace that they completely forget you know that. Sometimes there's something bigger to fight for But i don't think that was even the case here because it seemed like a very cynical campaign from the beginning. Yeah i mean. I think they just saw that lane was open and then they hired a bunch of people that taught her how to you talk about like use the language that like you know people respond to and that like who like that bodies basis talk. Yeah it's like look we we also yeah. I put a lot of bodies and crawlspace and like the blasio came got elected from the left wing of that campaign. So there's the thought. Hey you know. There's even part like he he didn't he say he just got out there earlier. Though that had developed yet go he would've if it was around yet but it was still bubbling and crock. Potting on tumbler. And and in the academy by but yeah if the bundler was coming out now he would become out hard he'd be played the ones and twos miles dibango bungalow de bungalows. An autour like. There's something i love about him where it's like. He's like if tommy was. Oh one the oscar. The fact that he became heirs fucking amazing. And it's like. I like every time i see like a journalist bitch about him. It's like are okay. Is this about real estate. Developmentally something important. It's like go. I can't do park my mom's car in front of a union pool like some super specific needs bullshit. And it's like you know what i've decided. I like this guy sheerly because of how uncharismatic is it is a guy that's all. He's he sucks just like any democrat. Who runs the city would suck probably for pretty much the same reasons but like as guy amazing. He's he's the bungalow and we've had a lot of the trump he'd be. You can't take that away. you can't take that away. Best mayor in america org number one lifelong new yorker since two thousand fifty and he certainly. It's like if you put him in contrast to governor andrew cuomo. It's not a contest yet. Cloud god building. Laura would never like a hug a woman and then like like fighter. You're a little bit you or do you know my friend janet. You look like if she was taller. Can i try to pick you up. I'm gonna pick you up. I think the last thing with the new york city mayor's this is like we go but i thought it was so funny. This is back in like andrew yang with heading fucking which happened by the way right. After he said he stands with israel which i guess. I don't know if one thing is related to the other but in new york city for that to happen. That's not that's not nothing. it is interesting. I mean i kind of do that. I think it was mostly accumulated gaffes and offering kind of the bloom off the roasted. Ross was right when he. He should've never talked about shoes absolutely no he blew it. He was winning on name recognition and it was all a question of whether the snowball was going to melt under the heat and before the election day and he needed to keep moving with goofy stunts and and cringe. Not fucking talking about the issues would be like what if we made a put a dogfighting casino. Yeah bitcoin like if he was just like. I'm going to bring back mango jewel. Like be having this conversation be mayor. Now yeah just said. We're not even have to bungalow would be like. Hey that's against the all right. I was like how would it be. I would be the one guy who's like i'm like his. I'm like the bungalows onion status. And i will defend your yang. Like only in so much. As i think a lot of ways people have been trying to catch him out being like he's a real new yorker is like the shit that i can't stand like i hate like all of this debate about like a real new yorker would never eat pizza. Outweigh like there's one example where they're like. What's your favorite subway station injured. And he was like probably time square. It's worth my stop. It's where i live and it's weird that he lives in times square. That's fucking design. That seems like a fucking nightmare. A better way to be within walking distance the eminem store like i have the gym. He is the it would be funny. If he's just like clockwork six o'clock every night walks to the store. he probably does. He probably fucking does that. Yeah but who has a favorite like the actual real new yorker answer to. What is your favorite subway. Station is none of the one that they just let all they all. They're all wet all day. They're wrong in moscow or even like the there's one of them happens to have a beautiful vaulted ceiling a gorgeous marble fucking. You know thailand architecture chandeliers or whatever it's like no they're all a dank you're so they're all miserable and your yeah andrew yang. Who's your favorite ach awkward. There's one thing. I want to defend edgy yangon. Even though i hope more than anything he's not mayor of new york city. It was like it was the new york times. And they give like these stupid quizzes all the candidates and that was like shaun donovan obama's fucking former secretary of housing and urban development when asked what the average home price in brooklyn is at one hundred thousand dollars. You're just too good. Oh man said like when an injury yank did it. It was clear that he was just looking up answers on his phone. And these fucking snitch. Isn't tattletale candidates journalists like she we let andrew get away with that of course. The other kids are fucking morons. Get caught up like that answering a hundred grand instead of just looking on their own if you fail the take home tests. Yeah yeah leave well. New york city will still be awaiting us tomorrow when we were. I'm so excited to be moving back into its luscious doing our live event a or streaming event rather frequency fest tickets still live streaming of live streaming event. It's a fucking killer lineup. We've got a very interesting sort of la or sort of hollywood based concept for you. Yeah me and andrew have also written a truly repulsive thing. Oh yeah oh yeah. They've they've really. They've got some economic discussed. It's dark regions darkness of human anyone who tunes in frequency. I is getting fully hollowed. Yeah no there you're gonna be fully fully. You will become a shade of launderer all right guys. Well it's been it's been so awesome being here in california but we love. We'll be back on the east coast soon but Church you guys have been so much fun hanging out with you guys back together as a triumvirate. Well we'll be over baby diplomacy from now on lake. It's no. I like as upset a million times this week. I can't leave here. Because i would kill somebody with a car knows it i would do it either by accident or more justifiably on purpose frustrated. Someone was watching me parallel parking. I murdered them with my car but now we'll be back and forth. I like visiting here. It's fun it's been. It's been fantastic. I've had so much fun this past week. We have too many friends here. Come here most of all is just Just being in the same room with you guys again. It's been awesome. It's beautiful where it's like. Two thousand sixteen again but we were were. We have all the experience where we went from being a grenade spears yup or grizzled veterans. It's only sixteen but now we've we've all finally dropped v. card. Tom go right. We'll coming under the wire you by the classes. Bad the keys news. that may take his face. I wish the success apartments miss. Oh sorry met him to say. Hey ohno who has.

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