27 Burst results for "Noah Baumbach"
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"I mean like. Like. I think we're I don't know. I don't know I think more people in performance especially if they're like even a little good, just because it is like kind of like a hard thing to do, and they're so like public facing were quick to be like Yaas Quyen like. but it's I, you know. I! My like mailman is probably a better mailman than Noah Baumbach is a director like, but we just like. But like? I don't know. Just thinking aloud Wow Wow. I also have like a recently just been thinking about like standing, and like how it literally never ends well. Never ends about literally the point of the song. Stan is that it doesn't end well. We nevertheless. Nevertheless, we were like we spend like ten years being like. Yes, it's only good. And then we ended up with like celebrities, telling us who to vote for and thinking that was a good idea. This is all our fault or This podcast part of the problem. Is. Episode. I think it's like a good to you know. Question these things. That being, said I. Did spend like a lot of time this week. Looking at those pictures of Tim show on a yacht with that woman. Yeah, Guitar like I'm not GonNa like stop doing that by the time this comes out. They honestly could be allow. Oh, yeah, absolutely sure, probably publicly having sex with somebody. Of course that's. Crazy that that happened. Trap. Sorry to my my answer is No, I don't think he's an icon I think he's very smart. I think he's made a lot of really good movies. Yes, I think he's made. Some stinkers I've. Done things that are important. or notable in like film history. And should be commended. I'm looking forward to seeing what he credited with Barbie sure. Why not sure? Literally? Sure? Why not? Unlike. Listen like it might be incredible. Maybe so, but who knows I can't wait to see Barbie living in. Park Slope Going to her leg, copywriting job that isn't fulfilling like low key. If they end the McNeil Banger Barbie. That's about gentrification dairy actively. GO OFF! It is just going to be about like people being sexist. Barbie, though obviously Barbie, like I have it so hard and being like calm down means a beautiful, actually different type of sexism. Actually. It's so hard to be hot. And smart and have like five different jobs is actually hard to be a woman beautiful. It's really hard to be Margot Robbie. Did you really hard to be like the beauty standard for women? That's not fair. That's actually not fair. We celebrate. Instead. Go Off, thank you. Thank you, I'm ghost writing. Okay. How do we end these? Yeah I don't know. Can't like remember Edano. Oh yeah not really. I mean. I don't know if ever ended one by ending it. Well is this. Is this a new frontier for us? Should be dry. You know what Livia I. Actually have a room room. Idea okay. And I say. In honor of this and honor of this moment and making space. For. A burgeoning black in scene may be. Let's say how about we do have room. For Miss Regina Hall. Can we do it together? Yes, because okay, we need each other for this. Regina been doing any movies though Oh yeah. She been this. Oh, good and support the girl. She's so good support. The girls also do you remember people places Bay. Remember people places think she's got. She's. Remain clan climate gets it but Jemaine clement also gets it because he's like from new. Zealand, it's like a totally different thing that's. Of course if I have money and I get cast. Anyhow Casts Regina Hall. Let's get one minute on the clock. Okay. I've got one minute on the clock. Right wing CAST, infrared Gina. To to win her Oskar. Starting now. Okay I'm going to be brave and say it's for lead actress. I would also like that okay. I don't want it to be like historical at all. No, no no I think it should be honestly like lucky. She teams up with like a hot indie director like a pop, indie director or somebody. Like a really cool white woman like church helps her out. I do think fat who second cool white woman who could do it. Because that's also the trouble because I, mean we teach them up with Nicole? We definitely get her to indy spirits. I think I think we're we have to go is yet people people of you? How Little Women Lady Bird thing movies about women kind of like having a hard time, but I think like. If we if you make a movie about Pike, massage. Or whatever like a do think you could tee it up for like and a cat, but I also want her to be like fun. That's what honestly let seamer with the SAFDIE. Brothers I think this after. And the data me will feel bad about what's happened in the past, so they're going to book this to the Front. Okay, yeah okay, so we're getting in a full saftey adventure. Yeah, Oh, it's like a! It's like a caper. Yeah, I think it's like They've already done like diamonds like drugs I mean what if it's also about the police and like she's a policewoman, she's the policewoman. That's what yes. It's like also like mentally fucked because it's like you know safety like darkness. It's like as you're rooting for her. You're like realizing. She's the bad guy ten seconds. Okay? Okay, I think I. Think it's like her solving some kind of fucked up murder. Yes, A. Your saftey detected a Ha and then she probably realizes that like there's like some other cop. Involve yes, and leg so. Yeah affairs like okay, so let's wait. Hold on here, we go. She's also got a drinking problem. And, because also clemency shadow, Alfred Woodard who should have a nominated for stuff. They will get it. 'cause the times we live. We're past bio going I think it's a situation right? saftey dark murder fucked up murder. Almost kind of like internal affairs style where you think that she's rooting out the bad guy, but you realize that she's actually the one who's like the dirty cop, however, yeah. And it's also like she's a black woman, and so there's like scenes where she's walking by. You'll fuck twelve months. She has to deal with that so we've kind of are doing clemency again. But this time though fucking get it. I think that's an okay movie I,.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"Say. Yes. Yeah I don't know just like. I think he does good. Things or maybe interesting things yeah I guess it is causing me to reflect on just like mumble core as a whole. Right it's like what. What did that, do they? Yeah. What did we get from it? I mean it just felt. Different. In a way I mean it just felt like to me feels like to me. Like this extension of A different extension of privilege like not only. Is it a privilege to be able to have stories about everything? Like about being space or Or. Your, Yet so so, that was like not only. Can you have these stories about like all these big things, but you can have about nothing. As well. Yeah I mean. I don't know I feel like also like that's. The thing is like mumble core films I've personally so few of them. Do I actually feel like. I've enjoyed or like to me. Yeah, but the films. that. Inspired, mumble core may be. Like girlfriends. Or Sex lies and videotape or clerks or slacker like. Those I really enjoy right. That sounds to me where it's like. It's like to be like inspired by the same things. I'm sure there are pupil who were like you know probably the same age as you're like Schwammberger near do pauses, or whatever who just like weren't white men who were also inspired by clerks, also inspired by slacker, just like didn't know people who had like one hundred thousand dollars to right. I mean like I love Andrew. Just Sumo, who's like a Nigerian photographer and director and he did this film mother of George that. Is just. Yeah to me also feels like. Kind of Like an interesting like offshoot of mumble like of. Mumble core, but is like just set in like very very firmly rooted in like the Nigerian immigrant story, and that's the other thing. Is that like I'm sure someone listening will be like. They're actually missing like these movies, but it's like. That sure that's great, but also those kinds of movies aren't classified under mumble court like mumble for like implicitly. Yes, White Viking. Just kind of like how it is, and if it's like, if like a black prison made it the again, they'd be like. Oh, it's A. it's a black Noah Baumbach. It wouldn't be like. Noah Baumbach. What people don't really compare him to anyone ray? He's not like. It like if anyone, it's wit silman, but that was like five years before he was working. That's not as A movement instead of being like this is a one to one comparison and the only difference race. Yeah! Damn. That's real. That's real it is. Yeah, I mean I. Don't know it's like I feel like. Even like Wyatt's. Like buried Jenkins and all these who like you're not totally aging, but like yeah like this. There's a generation of like black. Tours. Like medicine for melancholy. Just like you know is definitely like that's like close close. It is just like people like walking around right, but there probably is some sort of sort of sort of like. If you looked it up some article, you know that Slake Barry Jenkins the black. Book or whatever taking a stab at this it's like. That's why I think we've done. We find ourselves like forced to like. Make these own. Like are like yeah, we just have to keep making work for ourselves Kogo. Nobody's got like I don't know as I. It's like you have to make if you want to like. I don't know it feels like why people either have to make lake. Edano like. Just, you know you're like. like the best man or whatever or you have to make like completely singular works like you have to know like kind of middle ground writings, and and then we also. Be like that's like the sign that we did it, yes. And like or like only recently are like. Do we have like Black Panther or creed, or these birds super high budget high grossing. Like And I'm sure like to some extent, also just thinking about the making space I'm sure like you know Andrew but. Like you know Joe Swartberg, and all these guys were like. We have to make space for ourselves because if you are. Like us you can like. They want us to make these big showy movie. Sweeping drop dramas and we don't want to. We WanNA do these intimate. Scenes or whatever and then it just comes down to capitol like. Comes down to being able to have someone who will be like. Here's a couple hundred thousand dollars like your movie. I mean yeah, it's like an even. Like. Black Independent. Filmmakers. It is like that. Somehow that's its own. That's it's own. Jonah or something like is, but it's not. But it is. It's like these little blips like there's not a feels like the idea like movement hasn't really right. It's up. Capital, yeah, exactly it's like with like with the whole white indie scene there like tears in their like classes of it and like there are people who like who are like. We all came together Bob La like the whole pocket of women who do it who are always like? Pet respite does Luna's grew like that does make sense like Kelly? 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"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"I'm the boss. Still Trust me. Shackles on my on my life. There's one we're in Chicago Baby. And even Boston. No, he's like deep, Chicago. WHO's from Boston. I don't know it's are the DUPE LOSSES FROM BOSTON? The do pauses in classes like houses in New York. I mean in Detroit or something. Texas whatever. Is Andrew Badjao Ski I messed up just Momberg. I'm alright. Buzz off the fact that we like. Just, then all of those guys who like who are like kind of in the same vein, and it's just like. I Dunno Perry makes more interesting movies, but it's still like. It's all kind of the same. I don't know if that like movement is net pause. Yeah, it does feel this is the thing it's like. It's done so little for me. But I also, it's made spaces. I think in done interesting things like especially. When like you know okay, you're do classes your lynch. Shelton's for example rested. FROG. Power vows bad bitch like she is she especially? Who else maybe like I don't know like Aaron sooner. Yeah, like Aaron Cats or whatever? Those are people who have done positive things when they branch out to like TV You know unlike these other spaces. I also am wake. I'm thinking. At first in my head. I was like well. Maybe it's good that like someone created a blueprint, and then I was like actually. Like if I were director, I wouldn't want someone to be like. She's like the Black Noah Baumbach like that is not the like. I would want to. Of that for you. So hey was. Right it is like the the like you know. We want to create our own spaces, and like exactly things whatever. The Masters House the master's tools et CETERA. Look at you right now. Destroy the masters metric graph with the masters. Red Camera! You! Can merely hit you. A lawyer Egg. Charlotte added to the candle. They got going into the metric graph bathrooms. Good his house house, delicious delicious. A gorgeous place. I would love to make a metro graph one day. My Hope, my one of my dream. Projects, is like opening A. Style place you and I are the same thing, not another bus our original. Dreams. No, and there isn't like one in like I. Dunno, like Chicago or like. I just think that like for what was it? You can go to Chicago. Yeah, you know Chicago I. Guess You do yeah, read though you know I am a Chicago ten. Who Thrives there, so it's true. Wolf A. Closely will.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"No not Helen Hunt. Other one. Bonnie Bonnie Hunt. Known Bonnie Oh Lord. What's her name? The southern one? Oh. Sir. Mary, Fuck Kill Holly Hunter Bonnie Hut. Wow. Mary Fuck, kill. Mary Holly Hunter Fuck Helen Hunt. Kill Bonny Hunt. Answer Yeah. I'll repeat cheaper by the dozen. Cheap what into. One End to one and to what are how Bonnie Hoods Doing Arthur? She's probably challenge yet. Show for awhile. By Hunt Show, it was awesome cock. Show I think. I'll what channel NBC I believe? Really now yeah, and if. You don't think of Bunny. Hunters Simone people will be like you should watch that show, but it happened. Guess people looking out for her best good. Long! She's got people looking out for her. That's what matters to body leads. But Yeah I really Love Square in the wheel, and also I think that. Listen. I saw that I saw marriage story and I was like I. Feel like you said if you had to say about divorce was good bewail. Well Okay I. DO Think I. do think those movies are interesting together because it's like one is so clearly drying from his parents, divorce and one is so clearly drying. Orally and PSYCHOTIC psychotically merged. And it's good in the whale. It's like there is like. I think that the the like similarities between those two movies are just as interesting as the differences between those two movies where it's like the the Noah Baumbach stand in. In those movies like. Or at least the movie itself like the movie himself kind of like. Has so much? I don't WanNa. Say Love, but it kind of is cares for each of the people in. Relationship. Yes, absolutely and even in marriage story when they're like literally screaming at each other, it's like. I personally, whereas like out people in we were like stay may everyone that movie makes your hand look like a bitch and I was like I. Don't know if we watch the same. Yeah movie like I think it, it takes like. So much care to to like make a movie. That isn't just like Kramer versus Kramer where it's like the MOMS split. A movie about like the Dad. Even good in the world. It's like the dad is kind of goes off the rails, but like. There's so much like the main characters still. It's like his parents, so there's still like so much love going in both directions still remember. Laura dern won an Oscar for marriage story, okay? She wanted Oscar for taking off her jacket in the courtroom. I. Think that that's crazy. I love resolved thinking that that's crazy. That's one of those things though where it's like so obvious that it was like. Okay so Laura dern has little women and marriage store in the same year. We've never really given hurt Oscars alike now. We're just GONNA. Go ahead and give it to her. Yeah, yeah, he also is kind of incredible, and that's where she meets. Scarlett Johansson she. She was often like on the couch was if it was between her and Joe Joe Rabbit that Ed. I'm glad it was her. There was no one one that's Jewish in unless unless we gave it to Ford's Pew. Even no one really no one wins when the family pews. You? Yeah Yeah I know Do you. WanNa talk speaking of marriage story to talk about Noah. Baumbach messy. Life I think it's. I think it's time. Men really just give just be hot to people. This is putting if I pulled this mess. Eighty so crazy, also because it's like. He's not that high he. Hit. Was Normal Looking motherfucker. Book more. Looks like if Jason Schwartzman. Like if you if you say on the edges of Jason Schwartzman him look more normal. Just like why are these women like? Why is bigger with breaking up a marriage? Okay, I should say allegedly breaking up a marriage, because the allegedly bringing up alleged the the official party line is that they did not start seeing each other until after Noah. Baumbach left a pregnant Jennifer. Jason Leigh. That being that's that's still not good. That being said I'm more realistic. Timeline is that he was cheating on? Jennifer Jason Leigh with Greta Gerwig while she wall cement while they were making Greenberg, which is a movie that people fucking love for some reason it makes so deeply uncomfortable. By podcast they'll be fry wrote an article about Greenberg that. I'll never forgive I love her and respect her. Never forgive her for that Greenberg article. Okay podcast, David Sims is also fucking obsessed with Greenberg loves. It loves the Shit. Is One of those things I'm like I'm missing the point. I don't think so though, but I think I just don't love Greenberg and I'm allowed to be like no, and that's kind of one of the interesting things I. Think about no back where it's like. You know because he's like a white Oh tour. He's allowed to like. Do kind of all these different things where it's like where it's like. Some of his movies I'm like this is brilliant us in some of his movies. I'm like I hate this like while we're young, is actually like one of the worst movies I've ever seen and was going to ask you about that. We'll get to it, but then. They're like Meyer would. Story does good but like. And then there's ones where I'm like. Do I just not get what's going on here? Yeah? What am I follow this on Francis? I mean obviously for you know whatever, but that was definitely one of the ones where I was like am I. Not Getting it or do I and I get that that I get that. This isn't for me and so I just don't and I and I also think it's interesting because I'm like I sometimes I can't tell because people love to be like Noah back does the same thing every time and I'm like if that were true, all of these movies would be more consistently like one way or the other and like I could tell if I'm stupid or those people are stupid hard. It's hard you. Will just this point of not knowing if you're stupid or not, that's incredibly hard. I also I will say like I mean like. 'cause I. Just heard myself say it's not from me, which also I mean like you and I have talked about it before. Probably on pods like listen I love movie. Everybody's white. Oh, I'll eat that. Shit off this list. Some movies should be all white. People shouldn't just be all white people, and that's five totally fine. Thank you, thank you I. Say I. In our young is not one of those movies though. which just the thing is not one of those reimbursed is not one of those movies like the fact, even that like marriage story is like that is insane yeah? I wasn't Regina King. Laura dern. An interesting that like who is the Parker? Posey black people visit.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"Like those like three Whit stillman movies have kind of the same energy where it's like Oh of course. These like New York debutantes. Of course nothing is like sort of really happening here. It's because they're rich, and there's like no point to like making them. Go on like a big. Discovery Journey. Yeah, that's like not what would happen. It's like that kind of. The kind of like hyper realist, right which I think is why it makes so much sense that he's like friends with Anti Baker. They're like two who like who both are very specific about like. This is how it sounds when people talk to each other in real life, and this is what like real life is like, and then like sometimes something we'll get like tweaked a little bit in a way that like makes it pop yeah. But I think it's so. It's so funny how I really do love any Baker, and I'm like I. Get any Baker I don't mind sitting in a theater for two and a half hours. Oh baby make it through. The long version of Three and a tackle next is Peter Seven three hours maybe. I don't mind and then I think a lot of bombeck does make me feel. Irritated! I don't know. I think maybe part of it. Is this frustration rhyme like? Cod like you can just be. You can literally just be Noah above back. You can be born and raised in New York and a lovely life, and then you know it's like existential, erode dreads, and anxieties and frustrations, and then like record that and everybody's like. Wow, but it's but a lot of other people don't get to do that. like racing like last black men in San Francisco, which wasn't even like that. Aimless honestly, but I remember seeing it with a white friend, and and I was like Holy Shit I loved this movie and they're like it's okay. It's just like any other art movie. I was like one of you seen. that. It's like there's no like I think I. Think like a similar thing is like there's no black link later I. That doesn't exist right of just like a black like. Hang out movie. doesn't really. Has Had I'm trying to think if there is one 'cause they're like romantic. There's like a light black movies, but there are no lake Lake? League wears a black like slacker or like a black squid, and the whale or I don't know I mean I don't. Like I feel like black movies have to be so high concept like pretty much. You have to be able to like really sell it in the room. Yes, in order dead it made. Think been in the. Room in like pitching stuff, but it is like you do have to have a certain element like and this will speak to X. Y. and Z. and that blood Buddha do like but I also wonder if there's a thing to of like. Atlanta's has tonal like totally jarring, and like weird moments in like has comedic heightened nece. That kind of has been to me. The glimpses of like the closest like here are just black, hanging out or Speak and that I think is also part of why. It is so resonant and like felt so. Cool Ray. It is just like it's like scenes of Atlanta where they're just like hanging out. Yeah, just like very kind of quietly like astounding, because it is like none of the none of the dialogue is like heightened at all. No one feels like they're like. It never feels you know win like. You were I I. Don't want to spoil anything that we can cut this if we want, but we are going to talk about Hollywood shuffle. At a certain point and it, but it never like an on Atlanta. It never feels like we've pushed some kind of like. We've never pushed Oh. Yale School of drama. Actor into like something that felt like flat or like one dimensional. You know how sometimes you can tell when like a black actor is better than the work that they're being put into. Like like. Biology Davis in the help is like no, you're like you're so much better than yes I'm just. Yeah, I mean. This is also me thirsting after Jonathan Majors emotionally, but like he's somebody who's career. I'm so excited to see because he also like he used to be like you know. Little! Whatever's like he was white boy? Rick at that. Ruby hostels valuable remembers that. He was just like up in these flicks. And now it's like Oh my okay like you're getting to do work that like you're just as good as or if not better and like you're GonNa be in these really exciting things, which is cool, but also then I kinda I guess it goes back to what you were saying where it's like okay, but now you're doing like these big things like. Yeah I I wonder too I feel that there are. I mean there are a black character actors obviously, but like I feel like how the way that in the indie scene there. These white actors who are revered for being in. Indy spaces like like. There's there's no lack Parker Posey. I was GONNA. Say there's no black Adam driver, but like. The there's no one who like flips between. Do, Star, wars, and then go off and do like a Noah Baumbach movie or Or like do like a Jim Jarmusch. Movie Right doesn't happen yet, and there's no like there isn't. And maybe I'm wrong, but like there's mumble core like that doesn't know exists. The closes maybe we have is Atlanta and like sometimes insecure, but I was. Like, no, it's so heightened and be like comedy. And in like we want this to be a pallet, not held, but like this it unfortunately is already speaking for something, so can't go back and suddenly be like low key, and the thing about nobody movies is like..
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Iconography with Ayo Edebiri and Olivia Craighead
"Okay we can cut this no Liz circle back. We're GONNA. We're, GONNA keep. You gotta go. The People Preamble Hooker to say last time we did these we did a series and our series was sick and this series. It's better just to say our series music. And this series. Directors yes. Film directors specifically, specifically kind of other directors I dunno television refer newsradio creative. Creative directors happy. Life is a lot of pot is who have fought is longer. So Olivia you pick, did director in order to have a discussion? Yeah, with me of all people. Thank you for the honour your way. I always I always pick you to have a conversation. Got To be blushing. yeah, do you want me to say who it is I would please live. WHO's your icon? Okay? The person I want to talk about is wait before you say that actually you have to say what they We actually told each other. Who are icons were before. Knows no I forgot Oh. Okay. I picked Noah Baumbach, all yeah. Lord. That's that's the reaction. I wanted to hear Oh lord here. We go so Olivia. I ask you the question that. Often you're the Daska guest. When did you first realize this prison? Was that I got to you. Okay I would like to I, would like to go back to my original point, which is often times on this show. People pick someone. Who is like? Is is like. I don't know I feel like sometimes we will pick people, and we will get into this position not to get like Meta about the show, but like we'll be position where someone is like so passionate about someone that we can't like. it's hard to be objective. It's hard to be objective, and it's hard to be like. No, I. Don't think that person is an icon because you're like sitting literally right next to them, and it's like lung but like I think no someone who is like right. On the precipice and like could go either way. Just in the mid until I just wanted to like talk about him. I wanted to kind of like explore our thoughts especially now because he's just so classically like. Like like an arty white boy in at a I'm where I think we are maybe kind of turning away from that culturally and so so that's kind of the groundwork from which I'm operating, okay but to answer your other question i. think either. The first time I really like got into him was When I saw Francis Ha. So a little late in the game, yes, I was a rolling her eyes right now. I was rolling. Her is the first time I saw. Frances Ha. I. This is the first movie that I fell asleep to in theater. Is the first movie I was shocked. I. What I say. Supposedly. Okay and then I had to watch it again and I was like I get it. You Talk to me about your finances. Haas story my. Story is that it was like the girls got one. Listen if you went to specifically. Francis came out like right when we got to Nyu. So I saw France Ha in a nearly empty theater. IFC AT IFC center like a week after moving to New York and so I was really like. Oh, well feeling it, yes, of course, and then I think I kind of worked backwards, and I think that like some of his movies are really great and I think some of them are a piece of shit, and then I think I think people are really like. into like how him and Greta 's whole like. Psychosis. Yeah exactly, and there's also like some juicy dirt to talk about with Noah. Because well, we can get into it. You can get into it very sure, but let's talk about the work I sort of where we start. Yes, so you saw Frances. Ha and you're like. My Dude, my dude. Yes, I was like my dude, and then I was like oh! Greta did a lot of that words. That kind of like Mars like the Francis Hive everything but. I think I went backwards in. You know squid in the way all kind of a great movie. Kicking and screaming, which is actually my favorite? Have you seen kicking and screaming? A has nuking screaming? Okay, so kicking and screaming to me is kind of like a perfect Noah Baumbach movie, because absolutely nothing happens and. White people complaining the whole time. There's no like. The at no point. Is he trying to like pretend? It's anything other than that grant ever trying to be like Oh like this is a movie like. About something more, it's like like marriage. Story is great like it's I think it's because the best ones are all the really like personal ones I can't watch like. Meyrowitz stories like that doesn't feel about a mistress. America I hate it. That movie I miss so boring and like. I think it's like poorly written, and it doesn't really have a point. Wow, didn't you just say you liked with? No, but. Here's the thing. Is that like I? There are there is a difference to me between like a movie, not having a point in a movie, being kind of like purposefully less okay, which is what kicking and screaming is kicking. His screaming is about the period of your life after college. Where you don't know what's going to happen, and you just sit instead of taking any action. Yeah, and so the fact that the movie just sits makes perfect sense.
Top 10 Performers of the 2010s
"Actually I am kind of I write poetry Snow Book Secret Notebook or your poet. Yeah that's great but you like to hear what sure sure it doesn't really Ryan though. Okay kind of like him better when they don't me to all right so we've heard your number ten. We've heard my number six Adam driver. Who's your number nine performer? The decade? Okay boy this hurts me because it wasn't too long ago I was asking if this was the best actress of the twenty tens and I still think she's in the conversation but Elizabeth Moss. When I sat down to do this list fell down to number nine okay and I think for me. It's it's partly again. I'm backing into the list here. It's partly because her strongest work was on television. I don't know if it's fair. We're a film show so I'M GONNA hold that. It's not fair okay. It probably isn't yet to discount the handmaiden and madman but you're right if you include those. Then how is she? Not One of the performance of the Dick and Jane campion's crime series top of the lake. Yeah so so you know those three works alone in her work in them specifically I mean madman. I made the argument. She's as crucial to that series. Almost as crucial. Let's say Don Draper. She was the lead in in Top of the lake in the lead the handmaid's tale but I look back at the big screen to and The one I love I think great in. I know you love the film more than Me Adam but the collaboration with Alex. Ross Perry's Ben. My favorite thing about those including are probably hurt toured force performance of the last. Ten years is in her smile. I think just from last year and then yeah squeezing in that great supporting part in US last year as well getting to show her comic chops I had to keep her on this list but when I started comparing her to the filmography we're going to get to higher up. Yeah I couldn't put up there at the very top. Yes same process with me. Though she slipped a little further I did begin by ranking top ten actresses top ten actors then figured out how to merge them and go made the cut. I Have Elizabeth Moss in my six through ten actresses but did not make my top ten overall. My number ten is an actress. And this is one where you could accuse me Josh of maybe looking ahead a little too much but I think the foundation of great work in this decade is also there. She is the only other one that woman I'm about to mention. She's the only other one with driver who feels to me like locks. We could already pencil them in for when we're doing this list in ten years okay. We're GONNA look back on the twenty twenties and go. Of course. This was the decade of Adam driver and of Sir Sha Ronin the three great performances come in Brooklyn in Lady Bird and of course last year in Greta. Gerwig 's little women and there's two great films there for me all time great films frankly in Lady Bird and little women. I'm less high on Brooklyn though I like Brooklyn quite a bit and I really do think. It's a wonderful performance from her. She also appears of course in Wes. Anderson's Grand Budapest hotel and I really liked her in Joe. Wright's Hannah for me. Ronin is the insistent innocent. There is some naievety about her. As you look at those performances Brooklyn ladybird little women but really just a lack of experience. There's the census. She still has a lot to learn about herself and about the world and relationships. She's going to make mistakes. She's GonNa make a fool of herself but that's because she's always going to put herself on the line there is a determination and there's a voracious nece to Ronin characters that I find really appealing. I was looking back at my notes from our review of Lady Bird and I mentioned the way she just kind of burns with this intensity and this focus. It's almost like she's from another planet in the way she talks and the way she studying the people she's engaging with there is this provocation that is inherent to the lady bird character where she's just so eager to expand her knowledge her base of knowledge. It seems like that's what she's after in every encounter in life and maybe more than anything. Josh the reason why I wanted to make sure I fit. Ronin on this list is I just want to continue to put out into the universe. This idea that I did see floating around social media after a recent Hollywood reporter with Ronin and Greta Gerwig where they talk about future collaborations with each other. And there's a great question by the interviewer posed to Gerwig about working with Ronan and differences in working with her now versus lady bird and I thought Gerg's answer was really instructive. She says it's the benefit of working with someone you've worked with before. I felt like in some ways I had conceived lady bird before I knew she was playing it and I'd written drafts of little women before I knew she was playing it but I don't know any other way to say it. Except she was an author of Lady Bird but even more so she was an author of little women. I felt like she knew exactly what we were making the whole time as a filmmaker as much as an actor she really became a second director for me. It was like an extension of every thought. I had she'd walk out in another step. I think honestly the closest I've had to it is writing. With Noah Noah Baumbach who is her partner. But that's fitting of. Gerwig I think in her personality that she so generous in giving Ronin all that credit as an artistic collaborator but I think it speaks to the intelligence and again that voracious nece that comes through in her character's it's probably embedded within ronin herself. That made her such a good collaborator with Gerwig. And the key line from this is Gerwig saying I'm interested to see what movie we make when searches in her fifties. And I'm in my sixties. WoN'T THAT BE INTERESTING? And I'm thinking that's great but I want to see the movie that you make together when searches in her thirties when searches in her forties. I can't wait until the fifties I would be perfectly content of those to just continue to make movies together until the end of time. So Sir Sharon did just sneak onto my list ten. Hey I like your band with Jona rubies. Len Fans knew awesome.
'Parasite' winning best picture would make movies richer
"So the nine best picture nominees are of Ford. Vive Ferrari affordably. Ferrari is Christian Bale and Matt Damon in the story of Ford trying to build a car to beat Ferrari in the lemond race The Irishman when is the Martin Scorsese Film. which is on Netflix? That you might have heard. It's three hours long. Gioja Rabbit is TYCO I. T's story about a World War Two to that is the one with the where he plays a an imaginary Hitler. If you've heard a joker of course Joaquin Phoenix as the comic book character. Sort of little women which is little women you know Little Women Louisa May alcott and book adapted by Greta. GERWIG marriage story which is Noah Baumbach. Big divorce film with Adam driver and also Scarlett Johansson nineteen seventeen which is about two young men in World War One cent. On a very dangerous mission started by Sam Mendez once upon a time in Hollywood Hollywood. Is Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio in Quentin Tarantino's story about the Hollywood of the very late nineteen sixties and parasite which is Bongino Jin. Ho's Really Fascinating story about two families who come together in a very unexpected way Glenn Gimme a quick will win. Should win on best picture. I'd be happiest with parasite movie that just gets better and better. The more you think about it I'd be okay with little women or once upon a time like movies I'd be a little disappointed if it was Ford versus Ferrari for reasons you can hear more about in the full episode and if it is the joker I'll scream into a pillow Because I kinda hated that movie the oddsmakers have nineteen seventeen winning which is surprising to me. Because I like that movie but the best picture of the year really. It's Oscars sensitive from war movie and it's kind of a traditional Hollywood movie in some ways but then at the same time. It has the kind of showy element of having the you know. Made to look like one shot. I I will just go next and say I would pick parasite and you know. I'm going to stick with will win parasite because the last time. I had a tingling feeling that it was going to being upset. It was moonlight backed off at the last minute. So did the telecom. I robbed myself of an opportunity to look smarter than I am. So I'm going to say will win. Parasites should win parasite. I'm okay with nineteen seventeen. I think there is some lovely filmmaking there. I admire fire the accomplishment of it Bob. What do you think will win and should win? I think one thousand nine hundred will win because it's just everything seems to be driving that way it didn't start out that way. What's interesting sting is at the front runners? Initially were supposed to be Once upon a time in Hollywood and the two from from net flicks Irish marriage. I'm sorry Mayor Story and those have kind of disappeared from the conversation. I think it's safe to say none of those have a real strong shot anymore. I would love to see parasite win. Yeah Stephen Anything. I'm in somewhat of the same boat. I would be thrilled of parasite one I would be thrilled if a little women one. I love that movie so so much. I went on record in our resolutions and predictions show. I predicted addicted. That once upon a time in Hollywood was going to win best picture. It seemed like everything was coming together for The Oscars love movies about the magic of movie. Making it is is a movie about old Hollywood. You know who else is old Hollywood. Everyone who votes for the and so I felt so much like and also Quentin Tarantino. Not No he is an Oscars favourite but he typically get's nudged over two screenplay and then doesn't win best picture best director so I really felt like he had an enormous amount of momentum going going in but I agree that nine hundred seventeen seems to have kind of swooped in and picked it up and I. I really liked that movie a lot. I admire that movie a lot. I would be perfectly content content and satisfied to have it win best picture but this time next year it will take me thirty to forty five seconds to remember what won best picture unless it's parasite unless it's it's parasites will be talking about it for decades. Well I think I wrote about this a little bit if you subscribe to our newsletter which is at NPR dot org slash pop culture newsletter. I wrote about this last week but I do think there's a chance that will be parasite partly because the opening up of the best picture category. which originally was talked about as a way to bring? In kind of popular blockbusters that are also of quality. Got A lot of talk about the dark knight and things like that but it's actually done is bring in more smaller films and foreign right language films so eventually it's GonNa Happen. That one of them is GonNa win. Might as well be this one. I think it might be this year. I think people just like that movie. Yeah and the fact that the US preferential voting for this cat this particular story. COMP look it's way too complicated to get into here but basically what it means is if people liked parasite recite for example enough to what it number one number two or number three. It's got a better than average chance or second. Choices have a have a better than average less polarizing films. Do you better than the ones that everybody likes. Even if it's not their favorite
Michelle Williams is Engaged and Pregnant and the Timeline is Weird
"Michelle. Williams is pregnant and engaged to brand new guy who seemingly came out of nowhere. His his name is Thomas Kale and the two met while he directed her in Fossey Verdon. He's also known for being the director of Hamilton. This news broke on on people dot com on Monday which featured the couple posing and some. I'm in love photos alongside the news of their engagement and pregnancy and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah on the surface. Is this all sounds kind of like a painfully boring a listener getting married Blah Blah Blah. But actually it's not boring. It's super interesting. A and very very weird and possibly suspect first off. It's worth noting that Michelle and Thomas are allegedly still married to other people and they also allegedly just met each other a few months ago. This timing if true it feels very noah Baumbach. Greta Gerwig levels of like So so if you're wondering why they went with like the the flashy old school publicist coordinated in people dot com about their pregnancy and engagement. Well first first of all they snuck it in over the New Year's Eve holiday which is a slow news week and maybe they were hoping it wouldn't get that much coverage and secondly she's going to be on the red carpet but this Sunday for the Golden Globe so I'm guessing maybe they're trying to get ahead of the buzz around her. Having a a baby bump page six covered. This writing quote. Many media insiders raised their eyebrows on Monday evening when a cheery piece appeared on people magazine's website announcing the news that Michelle Williams is pregnant and engaged to the Hamilton director. Thomas Kale but the piece which features a family album worthy `Paparazzi shot of the happy pair conspicuously neglected to mention the fairly juicy fact that both Williams and Kale were in serious relationships with other people when they met just a few months ago page six later added quote. The Omission Lead tabloid veterans to speculate that Williams's camp slipped the exclusive to people on the condition that the weekly keep mum about the potentially embarrassing circumstances of their Happy Union and quote sidebar. I Love The phrase tabloid veteran. Can I be a tabloid veteran. I WanNa be a tabloid loyd veteran. Anyway so yeah it seems like they got together and you know they did kind of a tit for tat with people where they were like. Don't talk about how the timing is maybe shady the and maybe we liked cheated or something. Just post the happy pictures of us in Yay. We're all good anyway while most of the world was getting completely blackout drunk on New Year's Eve. These brave souls at my favorite gossip site Ono. They didn't restricting together. A detailed timeline of Michelle Williams's relationships throughout the past three years they summed up her kind of serial serial monogamy writing quote January twenty eighteen Williams dating possibly engaged to Andrew Use men July twenty eighteen williams. Mary's Aries Phil Elvira begins work on Fossey Verdon December second twenty eighteen. Thomas Kale attends the Kennedy Center honors with wife Angela Christian in March two thousand Nineteen Fossey Vert and wraps April twenty nineteen the Williams slash. elver separation is made public Kale attends the premiere of his show without his wife December. Two Thousand Nineteen Williams and Kale announce their engagement and pregnancy end quote. So there you have it Michelle. Williams is having her second child. Silence her kid. Mathilde is getting a little sibling congrats. Michelle and Thomas Kale. Who cares about the the timing and you know the other people whatever? It's all good happy for. Are you guys
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Five Things with Lynn Hirschberg
"The thing I was Gonna I wanted to talk about was the Joe Meyrowitz photograph which won the The one the camel emel coats You know with a couple from their photograph from behind as they're walking across the street away from us and they both have these camel coats and they're these shadows shadows Their shadows that come up. There's some other shadows that are also coming in from other people and there's this team and the period roughly it's the seventies probably like smack in the middle of the seventies and also special. Greta got me. and Oh as uh-huh give as a gift and it's funny because it's in our apartment and people often sometimes people will ask if that's us. I mean look closely. It's kind of funny to think it's us but is a blonde woman in a sense. Essentially a dark haired man in these coats and the cuts matching. Well they. They're they're they're the same color I mean. It's it's one of those things where you can't believe he got all those things at once that this is a But it it's like a constantly alive image and it also I'd mentioned it before she got it for me because it was a an image. I think I somehow saw as a kid. You know either museum museum or parents probably a book of his and it felt to me like adulthood. I mean sort of goes to what you're saying about park slope in Manhattan collect. It felt to me like the those that that's grown up world in Manhattan and then as I got older I really love. I love a lot of street photography and I particularly love stuff shot in New York ground. The love winner grand and so later later and I and I love any movie when that shot in New York. Even if the movie's not very good if it's like Old New York and you get to see it i. I'm always just very taken with that. I always The something always exciting and kind of comforting to me about it is a j D Salinger story where he talks exa camel hair. Can't remember the two nine stories which you probably know intimately and one of the guys touches this girl's camel hair and says you. You can't really get good camel hair anymore since the war right back right and I always think about that. Because it's very empowering moment sort of a nerdy girl all right right tennis dress with a camel hair coat which one is a One of the lesser one. Still one of them. Yeah it'll come back to me in a minute but it's not uncle weekly and it's not for as May it's one of the ones in the middle there somewhere but it's I always liked it. I they always remind me of your movies and a wonderful way even before you called Meyrowitz and other stories a j d salinger always seems like a world that feels very noah Baumbach to me. Yeah I mean I integrate way. Yeah I mean Very Holden Caulfield in that movie. It's funny I don't know if this is still true. But reading Catcher catcher in the Rye you know when I first read it I guess he was older. Golden Coffee was older than me. So it was that feeling of reading about MHM more grown up person. Which of course is a funny way to look at that book? You know because it's so much It wasn't until later that I really realized it's you. You know that that they were capturing this kid because in a sense it felt like a more grownup way to be for me exactly now so it seemed very New York Yeah Been Lan. Reading those books was like what a Pepsi Prep. I mean I know when I had no idea what a prep school I didn't. Either I know relationship to that world ruled that all know anyone who went to prep school. I mean I'd I'd heard of it. I've got behind It was like you needed help. Like reforms forms that no. I didn't that part of it. Didn't the Manhattan of it was interesting to me in a romantic to me and and the you know the the characters were but not the the world was always somewhat confusing to me or confounding to the Fran Zoe the sort of leisure in it. So it's kind of a little bit confused by but I went fascinated by to the upper east side of it. Yeah but I always loved stories of that. I mean I love the didn't actually reference marriage story but the in Stuart Little the whole Ambriz side of stuart little and living.
Adam Driver Walked Out in the Middle of His Interview With Terry Gross
"Do you feel that deal it. The air has changed changed. And we're now in the middle of a magical time in history. That's right Adam. Driver has somehow become one of the most famous people alive. How do I know this because it seems like? He's at the centre of different major controversy every single week. People Love Adam driver. People Hate Adam driver. I mean folks folks. This is the time to be alive. Today's Adam driver news revolves around him walking out on Terry Gross in the middle of fresh air interview that he did to promote his movie. Marriage story daily beast. Got The exclusive on this. They described the incident as follows and I quote sources at. NPR told told the daily beast. That driver walked out of an interview earlier. This month with fresh air host Terry Gross after expressing displeasure at the idea of listening to a clip of himself. Singing being alive from the musical company drivers character sings the song late. In Noah Baumbach New Netflix film marriage story and quote. Wow okay okay. So Adam driver walked out on Terry Gross. Because he didn't want to hear himself saying I mean that's kind of relatable. He also did mention before the interview. that he it doesn't watch clips of himself. Some people are calling him a diva for doing this. A lot of people are coming to Adams defense. Low calling his walking out on the interview a mental health self preservation tactic in Adam drivers October New Yorker profile. He discusses his anxiety over watching himself perform. The New Yorker wrote wrote quote. The first time driver saw himself in girls on Dunham's laptop he was mortified. That's when I was like I can't watch myself in things. I certainly can't watch this this if we're going to continue doing it. He said many actress declined to watch themselves but for driver that reluctance amounts to a phobia and quote depending on where you stand you either. Thank Adam drivers a diva shore. Like I said or you think he's someone with really intact boundaries. WHO's protecting his phobia or you don't care at all and you probably have a a really nice chill brain? That's not constantly thinking about Adam driver personally. I don't know what side of Adam drive her story. I'm on I don't know if there's a wrong or right side I mean I don't I just don't think about it. I really have to. I have to let this marinate if you are one of the people that's reluctant to make fun of Adam driver for walking out on this interview. That's totally fair. That being said surely we can all come together and make fun of Adam driver for how he used to eat. A whole rotisserie chicken back in the middle of acting class at juilliard. Right if you're behind on your Adam driver news and didn't know eater wrote about this a few days ago saying quote on an episode of the podcast. The film re Roll Drivers Juilliard Classmates Scott Yellow recalls drivers love for Rotisserie chicken to the point where he'd eat a whole one in class eater then unquote solo. WHO said quote? He would walk around school with an entire chicken in one hand and a jug of water in the other end quote. Can you just picture that a young young Adam driver walking into a black box theater with a whole chicken and a whole jug of water. I'm personally picturing the plastic jug of water that you get at the grocery store it kind of looks like it should have milk in it but it doesn't it has water and it has like the blue plastic top and listen. It's not like acting. Classes typically have desks so I'm guessing if Adam driver related eat a whole chicken in acting class he had to have eaten it on his lap the mandated chicken on his lap. Okay and we can all agree that that's funny and worth making fun of. Isn't it beautiful. How we all just came together like that I could cry?
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda
"To She's often very helpful in in in restoring my confidence and it's to create that same experience now with Greta with my say what I thought I'd finally shows. John was still arlene here. Here's the latest. What Book Changed Your Life Okay? That's good this. This is a funny one but actually it was Bernard Malamud The natural I read was like the first book I read. I think kind of like felt like a grown. Oh notebook how old were you. I was pretty young. I think it was like Like ten And I we were allowed to pick pick our own. You know at that point. You've been assigned books you know and I'd love to kill a mockingbird catcher in the rye great gatsby all the books that were that were part of the school curriculum at that time but then we were allowed to pick a book and I picked it because it was baseball. But it's really about mythology collagen about American mythology. It's a book that's just stayed with me my my whole life And they made a very good movie of it but they they've ch. They changed it in the movie and I like how they changed it as like as a separate thing but the book has always stayed with me as a feel like. There's a lot in it about wrote about the world and about ambition and success but also the American dream and what that really is that I think also it was the book itself but it was also the fact that I was reading something that felt like it was from the adult world when I was still a kid and that I understood it and liked it so so much it gave me confidence at way. Your questions twice. I know better her answers in the next question. Will you like let it takes. Yes thank you so much. No I really had fun me to thank you Allan. This is great and this has been clear and vivid. At least I hope so will mike thanks to discovery for being are presenting sponsor this season all the income from the ADS. You here go to the Center for Communicating Science at Stony Brook University. versity just by listening to this podcast. You're contributing to the better communication of science. So thank you for more information about the oldest center. Please visit visit all the center dot org no his recent film marriage story debuts on Netflix on December six and you want to check out some of his other films like squid and the whale and also Greenberg and Frances Ha both of which star his incredibly talented partner actress actress and writer and Director Greta Gerwig this episode was produced by Graham shed with help from our associate producer. Sarah Chase Are Sound engineer is Dan Zula are Tech Guru is Alison Causton. Publicist is Sarah Hill. You could subscribe to our podcasts for free free at apple podcasts. Stitcher or wherever you listen for more details about clear and vivid sign up for my newsletter police visit Alan alda dot com. Tom You can also find us on facebook and Instagram at clear and vivid and I'm on twitter at Alan alda. Thanks for listening bye. Bye and don't forget. Marriage story is playing in theaters now. And it'll be on Netflix. Starting December six Sarah. You did you love it as much as I love this movie. It's a great movie. It's actually my favorite Everett movie that I've seen this year and I can't wait to share it with a lot of people when it comes out on Netflix Netflix December Sixth Nixon our series of conversations. I talk with actor Ben Stiller Ben had worked with no in the movie Greenberg and Ben and I both both a lot of fun working together as actors on a couple of films including flirting with disaster. When we started that picture we really did know each other except for having seen each other on the screen? There's that moment of like okay. I'm with this person who I'm used to just watching. And now I'm interacting with with them and you know it's a bit trying to be cool and trying to like well. We were both trying to and the colder we got the more it amused us. Yes and then we got in trouble with the director. That's really starting to break each and I felt like we were getting in trouble for being funny and I mean that's the best. I think food the best feeling when you feel like. You're connecting with an actor Ben Stiller next time when clear and vivid uh-huh..
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda
"Talking about communicating with. The audience. Reminds me of how you handle close ups you don't you don't do a lot of close ups you you choose them very carefully right right and some of my previous obvious movies. I like Greenberg or Francis Hopping two examples. Where they're even the title of the movie is the name of the character? You're you're kind of have a single character that's kind of bringing you into the story. And part of the story is their emotional journey as well as their physical journey and in those cases for some similar and some different reasons I felt like particularly. They're that close. UPS should should be used sparingly. Because I thought you know these were both characters who were part of their obstacles are themselves and which ages both a A human common human challenge for some people Are All people to some degree but also oh I almost related it to like silent comedy or something like a Buster Keaton movie or Charlie Chaplain movie where these individuals kind of at the fate. You know. Ah they're they're they're. They're sort of the the mercy I should say of of you know it could be a storm. It could be. There's often a big comic set piece there. You Know Charlie Chaplin in the factory and you know in modern times or the gold rush with the you know the cabin coming off the cliff and even though I was telling sort of a different kind of comedy in in a sense I I often I wanted to show the characters in the world know. There are a lot of wide shots. I mean also. Both Ben Stiller Played Greenberg Greta Gerwig who plays Francis. They're are great comedians and great physical actors so again seeing them seeing their bodies you know in in the world in in in in the case of Francis she plays a dancer too so often saw scenes. There are dance sequences in the movie but scenes. Even when she's not even dancing I thought of her sort of a PR performer. Or a dancer in the world with marriage story. It was different because it was it was ah to hander. In two characters in the sense who go on a kind of journey I felt the the internal life was something that I wanted on it to document or and so I felt close ups. We're going to be very important and I. I even used a different aspect ratio. which is the you know the frame itself of the movie? I mean letterbox and the old fashioned square yells. Yeah what they call the academy which is one three and the numbers of this sort of the ratio so that dimensions of the bill you change the ratio would shot shot previously. Most movies are one eight five which is a fairly common aspect ratio for movies. I mean to what was what was marriage story every one six six so it was slightly more narrow very interesting. This is a real question of you communicating with the audience. And they don't even know it right right. I mean the the aspect ratio the shape of screen. Tell me how changing the shape of the screen in matters. What why did it tell the story better? Well I think it created a sense of portraiture when we were in close up and it'll I some he so that the face would would would wouldn't have allowed space left over in boats. It's more narrow on the sides I think. Also because of audience's expectations were used to too wide screen is particularly right. Now I think is used a lot and eight five is stop wide-screen. It's almost sort of like what a TV shape is no TV's he's now with more rectangular are more. Maybe an audience is sort of expectation for an image you know currently so by narrowing it slightly. I don't I don't know I guess I felt like maybe it would kind of focus you in more and in particularly in these close ups did become becomes kind of mostly invisible way of slightly changing your perspective. When you're watching that it that it certainly was invisible invisible to me? I had no awareness that you would change the shape of the screen and and it probably had some effectively. How do you know it's having the effect? Thanks Ernie Way to test the idea. I think I just go go. More off. Visually tests in we did tests in different aspect ratios camera tests I love how the close ups Felton one six six. I felt it just held the face in a really away and that was kind of what Robby Robbie Ryan knew who shot movie and I went to was that was that going with that feeling It's interesting I mean especially as a young actor actor dash filmmaker. I used to love to watch movies made on small budgets and see how they solve the problems. There was that one movie. It was a western made by a director who made them home movie for three thousand dollars and he raised the money by being subject subject for drug trial. What movie was that? I think it was the director of Rodrigues. I forget the name movie. But when I love loved El Mariachi Mizzou I think so. Yeah when I loved about it was almost a home. Movie was in closeups because he lit the movie with two bulbs CBS. He couldn't light a whole room. He didn't have the equipment so you. He told his story in. Totally almost was totally enclosed subs except when he was outside and they had had little ambient light nigger shoot larger scenes. It fascinated me how he was able to use the constraint to tell his story through the constraint I think having limitations in in and probably in all art forms but I can speak from my own experience to making movies in some ways I think it it. It really can up your game. I mean you I think in the way you you described being a perfect example of it can style can be born out of these limitations that actually you know that that you might otherwise it's not of otherwise found in yourself. I mean I I When I made squid we had very little money and very little time and the movies all hand-held and you know part of it from you could say from an aesthetic uh and narrative standpoint and emotional standpoint you can say oh but it brings the kind of intimacy did feels kind of almost documentary? Like you're you're kind of in the family family life in a way that you wouldn't be if you were raised standing back and again that's under the level of consciousness snus is right right and that's true but it actually given the time constraints we had. It actually was a practical decision as much as anything. which was AH I knew? Then we could kind of swing around and shoot decide and this side then. We wouldn't have to kind of stop and turn around we that it just it it it the immediacy actually help us get more done and I could have discovered a style based on on the kind of constraints us that are right up against you when you talk about being on the set. You reminding me that. We've I've been talking about communicating with the audience and I was where on the side with you. Making marriage story was how you communicated and with the actors the director has to communicate with so many people the crew couple of hundred people often. And when you talk to the crew do you do you talk in terms of storytelling or do you do you talk in terms of the effect you WanNa create generally storytelling storytelling. I mean it's also why I like to you know as soon as I know I'm going to work with somebody like I love to bring them in early because in sometimes even while I'm still working on the script because I feel like the more time we have communicating. It's only going to benefit. You know what happens when we're shooting on the set on the day on the set with you know the light fading or what you know all the the crazy things we we put up with the movie making when they when they know. Exactly what you what you doing what. Why are you doing it within their collaborators? Rather than yeah and my hope is that that then you know actors will feel when they even. I got the script that that that they're kind of in it already. You know that you know when they go through their process of learning their lines in preparing.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
"Don't believe in keeping kids in cages. In fact maybe this cat should be in charge of the immigration policy. Instead of people who think it's okay to thousands of kids. Roy Moore Roy lightweight. Roy Roy I know this is important and we talk about immigration all the time but I thought we just for this moment sunshine. We're good sparkling wing. We have a good time. And if you want a good time trevor you want some sunshine. This last story is unbearably cute. It's about a bad here but first we have deputy come to the rescue when a bear gets himself stuck in a pretty tight spot near Lake. Tahoe take a look at this is a four hundred pound bear there. He is well known. Apparently to local sheriffs and the deputies there they even have a nickname for him and his t shirt because of the white spot on his chest and they say they have too often improvise when dealing with bears doing what they can to keep them in everyone around them safe. I mean that would be quite startling there now. Well deputies have to get close. Sometimes they do warn people not to get too close to those damn a giant bear in a dumpster. That is both the Larry's Anna very common. Search on point hub. It also means doing chores in this town has got to be extremely dangerous. Can you take out the trash. What trying to get me killed woman to take the life? I know what you're trying to do. Ain't taking no damn trash. It also Kudos to the police officers for approaching this bear calmly and de escalating. The situation I just wished black people in America with getting the same I got a wonderful boy. Wonderful.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
"Does my sunshine Spring Sunshine. I'd carried away okay from the cutest therapy pig to a rescue little. Kitty Houston. Animal Rescue Organization is desperate to get rid of this cute cat. They say quilty head to be sentenced to solitary confinement. Continuingly leading other cats out of their enclosures. The serial offender was caught multiple times by staff at friends for Life Animal Rescue and adoption setting his feline friend. Free from the senior room shelter says hilty will not be contained. The has no shame. The CAT is currently free. Visiting with potential adoption family quilty even has his own merchandise now too much sunshine hockey take it. You've got a rescue cat. That's rescuing other cats. Get that freaky. Yes cats movie. They need to make a movie about quilty breaking out call it. The Paul Shank Redemption Morgan Freeman Steel. Narrate it it comes down to a simple show US really busiest scratch or get busy dying nine times. Also good luck to any family that adopts quilty the parents are GonNa come home and look around the house and it'll be open. The baby gate quilt is GonNa be like Hey I don't believe in keeping kids in cages. In fact maybe this cat should be in charge of the immigration policy. Instead of people who think it's okay to thousands of kids. Roy Moore Roy lightweight. Roy Roy I know this is important and we talk about immigration.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
"Thank God we have this insight source. How else would we have? No more I I don't get it. We all know this stuff already these revelations this is like a spy coming out of Russia like you didn't hear it from from me but Russia is very big. I should go. I've said enough so look the truth is if you WANNA learn and something new about trump. This book is probably not going to do it for you but one person who might actually have revelations about trump is John Bolton former national security adviser and permanent got milk ad. He claims to have unique insider information relevant to the impeachment probe. But he's not telling Congress about it he might be saving for his upcoming book an attorney for former National Security Advisor John Volna revealed on Friday. That voting was personally involved in many of the events meetings and conversations at the center of the impeachment probe as well as many relevant meetings and conversations that have not yet been discussed publicly Bolton had been scheduled to testify as part of the impeachment probe last Thursday but he did not appear Bolton has a new book deal with Simon and Schuster and according according to reports that deal is worth about two million dollars. Oh I see so Bolton might spill the beans on impeachable offenses by the president but not only for two million dollars S. He's truly the hero. American deserves. Imagine if someone like that called nine one one just like hello. Police does a killer on the loose. Okay Sir where is he then. Mommy Twenty Bucks and I'll tell you.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
"What maybe that's a bad example in any other country any other country then trump's the only leader that could just disappear and everyone would be like. Wow this actually works better without Ma you guys want to watch Disney. That's fine. Let's do it all right. That's the headlines. Let's move Ivanka. Top story in the three years. Donald Trump has been president. America has has changed in many ways. The country is more divided than ever official government policies and now announced on twitter and the red phone in the White House now connects you directly he to KFC one change. We didn't expect from trump's presidency was an explosion of books from anti-trump books to books folks calling him the Second Coming of Christ leave seen it all and who could have ever predicted. So many books would exist. Thanks to a president who can't read anyone can write a book and I do mean anyone. But what's interesting is how many of these books books were written by people who worked inside the White House and the latest book. Making headlines Comes from Nikki Haley former ambassador to the UN and woman who just just captured James Bond and she's not holding back in her memoir out this week Nikki. Haley takes on former secretary of state REX. Tillerson and former White House chief of staff John Kelly claiming the two men undermined and ignored president trump. From Inside the White House Haley writes Kellyanne. Tillerson confided find it in me that when they resisted the president. They weren't being ends aboard that they were trying to save the country. They should have been saying that to the president. Not asking me to join them on their sidebar plan to undermine president is really a very dangerous thing okay. This is a bombshell. I did not not expect rex. Tillerson and General Kelly were resistant trump in the White House that a shocking look does explain why they were wearing those pussy hats but still I mean the big news because this book. This book basically makes it sound like to trump's top officials. We're constantly trying to stop trump from causing trouble or getting into trouble in always like the thing parents. Do you know when they swap a real thing with a toy from their baby. You know in parents do that. Be Like all Gimme daddy atty so phone back and you can have the big boy phone and the kid is happy they just like. How did the president of Ukraine give me Doodoo on by that dude the on by doing okay? Thank you bye-bye he told me. The cow says Moo. That's basically what was happening. And I I've got to say this is a really complicated issue because on the one hand I understand we Nikki. Haley is coming from. America voted for trump right. He won the internal college and so his policies. Oh what people voted for. So his stuff shouldn't try to undermine him on the other hand. This is also the same president who suggested nuking hurricanes so maybe blocking him as a good idea. I don't no no and while Nikki Haley's book is all about allowing trump to be trump. There's another book making headlines Right now with the total opposite message and this book is coming from inside the White House a warning creating instant shockwaves. The anonymous author who claims to be a senior trump administration official official paints a picture of a president who is unstable and inept the writer describing your daily five alarm fire drill were senior officials canceled plans and race to the White House to prevent the president from an acting. His latest wacky or destructive idea the author saying behind closed doors the president makes racist misogynistic remarks wchs describing him as reckless and without full control of his faculties. Oh my cod. Shrimp is erratic racist and misogynist..
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah: Ears Edition
"President Morales on his way to a new life after Mexico granted him political asylum. He says it will prevent what he calls. Blood and grief in the unrest following a resignation Morales in a supporters called a coup tweeting appeal asking Bolivians to quote. Take care of the peace and to not fall into violence remains unclear. Who will now lead? Bolivia A so-called extraordinary session oblivious legislature is. Set it for today damn now. Bolivia's government has collapsed right now. South American countries are more chaotic than the second day at every Jurassic walk like. I can't believe this happened to third time What's interesting? What's interesting about the story? Is that unlike. Other countries in the region where leaders have been ousted. Bolivia has been doing well. The economy has been booming. Poverty is down income inequality is declining so the question eighteen is. Why did President Maradas get pushed out of office? Well people like Donald Trump and Marco Rubio are saying that Bolivians forced President Morales out because he was trying to stay in power for too long when he was trying to fourth term but people like Bernie Sanders and AOC argued that morale is never broken laws. The believe in military is overthrowing throwing a popular socialist leader. And I don't know who to believe because I get what Bruni and AOL CEO saying but on the other hand who knows more about international affairs than Donald Trump all right so now another South American country has a power vacuum and no matter what you think of morale is. It's not good for a country to be leaderless. It's chaos right I mean. Can you imagine if that happened in America like just trump just disappear winter way. You know.
Netflix's Reed Hastings says what he really thinks
"I'm Kim Masters and this is the Hollywood breakdown joining me as Bellany of the Hollywood reporter and Matt You know I. I have talked in the past on the breakdown. I think in on the business about watching Netflix the original streaming service move glacial early towards towards grasping the Hollywood way of doing things you know. They come in the disrupters their digital disruptors where they're not going to do we're going to do things a new way A. and then they figure out maybe there's a reason for certain Hollywood rules but this and Netflix was doing if bought a theater because it knows artists want movies and theaters. I mean it. It tries a limited theatrical. Run for the movies that it wants awards for little by little they've been they've done things to accommodate talent however reed hastings the CEO. Oh of Netflix. He gave a talk this week at the New York Times deal book conference and I feel like he just went through one thing after another which basically was what we're digital digital disruptors and we don't care you know whatever the Progressive Hollywood community wants we don't care in. The first headline grabber was he was talking about the the fact that Netflix had polled. Hold an episode of Care of Hassan nauseous Patriot Act in Saudi Arabia because it was critical of The crown prince who may actually have caused a journalist Washington Washington Post journalist to be murdered. They pulled that episode that was critical of the Saudi prince. And I'm quoting Reed Hastings of Netflix. He said we're not in the truth to power or business we're in the entertainment business. Now that is a statement of fact but that's not the kind of thing that we know especially with south park standing up to China it. It just doesn't go over well. No and if I'm Ted Sarande does or Cindy Holland or Scots Dubar. Any of these Hollywood focused executives for Netflix. Who are desperately aspirin? Trying to court the creative community twenty four hours a day and I see reed hastings kinds of comments. I cringe because that's not the message. They are putting forth to the creative community. They are saying we embrace you. We embrace freedom. We give you the tools you need to say what you WANNA say. And when Reed Hastings is making these comments it's like that and also defending this plan that they have to possibly speed up or offer a sped up speed for people to watch content on netflix which creators there's will hate because it alters. What their work is that kind of thing is perhaps better from a technological and digital and audience perspective? You've but not something that the creative team at Netflix wants to sell to their. Yeah he turned around two seconds later and said we do care about creators and creative a creative intentions but we also care about consumers undercutting the first part of the statement saying that any noted VCR's could speed things up but for but this is already Outraged filmmaker like jet APO. Who have been you know just indignantly talking about just how this is an affront to them as as filmmakers yes and certainly he's not the only one and then he read these things was not done yet he He talked about the fact that you know people feel. That theaters are risk because of the netflix model which is not allowing that normal theatrical window for movies and he said if if theaters WanNa carry net flicks films once they are net flicks because people want the group experience. That's great which is obviously ridiculous because people are not going to necessarily I mean maybe a few but generally speaking taking. That's not how it works in the movie business. No and it's also countered to the Netflix narrative that they are putting out there right now. which is that for a certain type of film namely awards films? They are going to do an exclusive run in theaters. Like they're doing right now for Martin. Scorsese's the Irishman and Noah Baumbach marriage story in a couple of others. And then you've got things saying well. We don't actually care about that. We I'm paraphrasing. We you know we want our. We want our movies to be on Netflix theaters. WanNa WanNa play them great yeah eventual went after we're done and after you could see it for you know your Netflix subscription. You can go ahead and pay it in the theater so that was three comments. That I'm sure did not sit well Maybe somebody needs to get the memo to read Hastings. Thank you matt thank you.
Adam Driver, 'Marriage Story'
"I learned to be comfortable in it just because it was unfamiliar to me when we started force awakens and not so much in how we were working on it but the scale and size of it. I'd never works on the just getting used to rhythm of a set being so long before we you know there's so many special effects and so many people on set I was used to just smaller groups the people in small rooms with like borrowed costumes. So I mean that's been but just like a smaller smaller people around and suddenly the set in itself is a huge theater for like one hundred people. I took me a while to get used to that. The rhythm in what like the technical part of the you know the CGI th the effects into me a while to get used to but because it was jj and because it was Ryan working on it apart from our costumes being dramatically different than anything. I'd worked before they made it feel like small independent movies. And that I had a preconceived idea that you know you were going to lose those conversations about the humanity and sake of the spectacle of it but B I J J. You don't lose any of that. The first conversations that we have were about the humanity of that character. How do we make that person? Not Two dimensional but someone you can watch breathing unscreened and and so. We didn't in that sense. It didn't feel that that-that markedly different. Did you take anything anything of Kylo. Yeah all sorts of stuff. I have a whole costume. Yeah they know you took it. Yeah Yeah Okay so this is not really taking anything I have two helmets. Have Light Sabers. I have all sorts of stuff. I don't want to do with the costume because right now it's just in a a box but I'm trying to be weird to see you at home. Basically with all right. Here's everyone war museum to me this week. So great and we'll just have this together could do that. All right a sanctuary you've got to-do anybody who comes and visits knows that star wars in terms of you looking at you do you watch yourself no. You don't do it. No I've seen things things like I watch star wars Somehow once but apart from tied down and forced to look at yourself yeah yeah yeah me and no one. I are having a debate about marriage story. You know It's hard to to watch myself for for lots of different reasons. You know you just critical of yourself self. Well it's that and also to kind of really absorb what's happening. You KINDA gotTa Watch it like three or four times to to practice. Not You know not thinking about you doing it and watch it four times. You can't do that and also I feel it just leads you to trying to well not only being self conscious but I kinda like orchestrating it onset so I went on the unaware and being unaware of. We're a camera is or you. You know what you're doing or how you look. I think sometimes we don't have that in life so no you don't have it so I don't want to. I'm not so curious I'm trying to make it look better her. You know unless you kind of have to the thing kind of requires visual well over most of the time. If it's a movie you can do that on the stage you could play Pale tonight and knowing what's going on internally and not really necessarily seeing what the outside is who do you trust you trust your wife. is she a good critic of you did she say she's a great great critic. is she kind or just ruthless. No she's ruthless. In a way that is Is Thoughtful not. I just like you know you suck. Let's let's let's split up but like yeah that would be that would be. I can't stay married to you. Know She's just this she's honest about it as is really good at articulating The good and bad in a way that you I kind of need in life I want. I don't want people around me telling May I also don't want a lot of people telling me what's wrong with it so you try to pick like one or two people that you trust their opinion and they say oh. Yeah that thing so you. You have a problem with. I can see but it doesn't register or or the opposite the thing that you think. It's working truly sucks. Isn't it also almost as bad when when the to me. It's all deserve what's happening to you. I'm really happy for you. Know that it is and you should trust it but I think any actor is a little bit. You know suspicious of this constant praise or you're going to win the Oscar for this sort of like you were nominated for Black Klansman and you get into that race. Do you try. I keep that out of your head. You have totally. I know. It's I think it's really I've been lucky and having people around me who are I mean like you know I'm I'm around my wife my family. They're very quick to tell me all the mistakes that you make and I don't I don't give that much. It's all good. Good all when you do win the Oscar for this which I think you should you should say how did this come from. Nobody around me. Even thinks I'm I'm good in so anyway. Congratulations on all of this. And again we come to the end of the show as we did the last where when I asked you to sing just a little moment I was having a good time. I'm not a singer right. And then Dan people go to marriage story and watch him do like a Sun High Aria being alive. I sat there watching. That was the only time it took me out of the movie. The Bachelor told me he can't sing anything and he does. Maybe the toughest eleven o'clock number number as they call them in Broadway history. How did you steal yourself or that moment? How come you didn't say to Noah Baumbach I can't it was different when you're like you know sing? Sing Sing Jingle Bells as you as opposed to sing a jingle bells okay. Don't you remember the song he did sing for me. No twinkle twinkle little. So I'm just asking uh-huh from Monaco Mall Man. Come on look at this fearless actor. No no no character and that's easier place. I don't know how Kylo Ren be. Would he actually listen to the Henry. The fifth singing twinkle. Drink a little stuff. No Ma'am Damn. I can't do twinkle twinkle. I won't do a little bit of something different. That's their that's being alive quite yet. It's panic time now. All the the world of a song relates to travel but I I don't have to sing the whole. Aw on my bags are packed. I'm ready to go. This is terrible. I'm standing here outside your door. And that's it the way I You're not leaving. I hate to wake you up to say goodbye so kiss me and smile for me talk. Tell me that you wait for me. Holy go on. I'm leaving now doubt. I trust me when you see marriage story. You'll hear what he he could do. Aren't you now going with less Carranza and making a shooting stick. You can't touch it like a nightmare. It's a nightmare so so much fun on that set. Yeah no it's not follow. Thank you actually is credible Komo news ago but it's like opera so we're doing this just a man but I to me. You could get away
"noah baumbach" Discussed on The Frame
"It's the opening scene in the film ahead of a screening of marriage story at the telluride film festival this year and in front of a live audience. I spoke with driver. Just after Martin Scorsese presented him with a career. Honor driver was at telluride for marriage story and another upcoming movie the report in which he plays a US Senate investigator looking into this as use of torture after nine. Eleven driver explain what his relationships are like with directors. He's worked with multiple times and that list includes Jim Jarmusch and marriage story. Filmmaker Noah Baumbach. There's there's something that we are way of working. Our work ethic is similar in that. They don't take it for granted that we're making a movie. The has the potential to reach a plays that as far away and either give language to a culture. That's completely different than ours. And someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right right now for this amount of time to do this thing that will last forever and labeled the feeling and how powerful that is why why take that for granted why show up and kind of wing it you know or not. Consider what it is. You're saying and that no detail is too who small now. Obviously there's traps and all of that that you can get so worked up in details that you're trying to control everything and don't leave room for you know something. That's more abstract with those people. They're brilliant writers and create a set an environment onset where you're free to You know all those things that hope from from people you're free to get it wrong and you're free to explore and but really don't take it for granted if I was trying to summarize summarize it which is kind of hard. They very much curated the people that they want to work with in front and behind the camera and you feel like as much as everything thing is both has meaning and as meaningless. You don't don't take it for granted and finding people that have your same work ethic gets a rare thing. I think I just repeated myself three times the best show of hands. How many people in telluride for the atom driver double feature marriage story and the report? Wow okay. That's about half a house as quick question without spoiling either film. I WanNa ask you about Dan. Jones and CIA's post nine eleven detention and interrogation program which a lot of people would call torture..
Noah Baumbach Digs Into A 'Marriage Story'
"It's the opening scene in the film ahead of a screening of marriage story at the telluride film festival this year and in front of a live audience. I spoke with driver. Just after Martin Scorsese presented him with a career. Honor driver was at telluride for marriage story and another upcoming movie the report in which he plays a US Senate investigator looking into this as use of torture after nine. Eleven driver explain what his relationships are like with directors. He's worked with multiple times and that list includes Jim Jarmusch and marriage story. Filmmaker Noah Baumbach. There's there's something that we are way of working. Our work ethic is similar in that. They don't take it for granted that we're making a movie. The has the potential to reach a plays that as far away and either give language to a culture. That's completely different than ours. And someone's paying a lot of money for us to be here right right now for this amount of time to do this thing that will last forever and labeled the feeling and how powerful that is why why take that for granted why show up and kind of wing it you know or not. Consider what it is. You're saying and that no detail is too who small now. Obviously there's traps and all of that that you can get so worked up in details that you're trying to control everything and don't leave room for you know something. That's more abstract with those people. They're brilliant writers and create a set an environment onset where you're free to You know all those things that hope from from people you're free to get it wrong and you're free to explore and but really don't take it for granted if I was trying to summarize summarize it which is kind of hard. They very much curated the people that they want to work with in front and behind the camera and you feel like as much as everything thing is both has meaning and as meaningless. You don't don't take it for granted and finding people that have your same work ethic gets a rare thing. I think I just repeated myself three times the best show of hands. How many people in telluride for the atom driver double feature marriage story and the report? Wow okay. That's about half a house as quick question without spoiling either film. I WanNa ask you about Dan. Jones and CIA's post nine eleven detention and interrogation program which a lot of people would call torture. They call it extreme rendition of the things. What would you say about that film going into it without giving it away about why? That movie spoke. Oh Q.. And why you thought it was something you wanted to do. I mean the topic is was something that I you know embarrassing. They didn't know anything about and I mean the original report is over six thousand thousand pages. The redacted version is just over five hundred and our script with one hundred thirty. How do you how do you tell that story as economically as possible astle but not without leaving the humanity out of it so that all of those things just an opportunity to potentially bring a topic to light that has been in the dark and that I was inspired by you? Hope there's people like that in a room alone toiling away for six years with no support trying to trying to make a difference and that relationship with something that you've grown up with thinking that you can trust and suddenly you know you have to not only do you feel like you're trying to make a moral judgment for the country but internally as well they all those the reasons why I want to do it you were recently doing. Burn this and I'm wondering when you're doing it play and then going. Lean into film or television. What are the things that you might miss retain as an actor? WHO's doing a show in front of a different audience every night when you're not able oh to replicate that on a film set yeah? It's a totally different thing. It's I working with Mila. For example he likes to do a lot of takes and that actually feels more familiar to working on out of play because the lines of the lines. There's no there's no Improv. This is what it is blocking it out. But the intention can be a million different things and he he structured the day smartly so we have enough time to explore all the possibilities of what it could be not just arbitrarily but I mean sometimes and and then sometimes you have to rebel against him and then just do it the way you WanNa do it just to shock yourself and shock the system and then maybe come up with something better but you know it's like a whole run of a rehearsal truncated into a day. which is I rare with? Someone like Noah and you're also rehearsing you know if you can be as much as you can before you start just being prepared to give yourself time to explore all the options and when you don't do that with a soderbergh then I tend to have regret of like you can't help but go home and imagine I had all these ideas that now but then again. Maybe those were bad ideas that I don't know oh anything. The tribute is a sham. Last question I think there are a lot of things that different people will take away from marriage story one being. If you're thinking about going into family law you might reconsider it. But what was the thing that you treasure about making this film with knowing scarlet again. That could be a long answer that I know I should keep short. I mean this movie is hard to. I feel hard to talk about because it's very personal and it was personal. The people who made a collectively and we talked about it a couple of years before we started making those conversations tens of what it's about or what will retry into are still happening but how love can transition and how that can be violent set not not physically violent but an internal violent thing of you know someone kinetically where you know. It's everything your way. Oh you were in a room together a second nature then suddenly to divorce that from yourself That could be painful but maybe it's just transitioning into something different. I thought that was a beautiful idea. This is not a sham. Adam coming up on the frame the writer and director of marriage story Noah Baumbach on capturing the heartbreak of divorce Welcome back to the frame. I'm John Horn. Our next guest is filmmaker Noah Bam back he wrote and directed indie darlings like Margot at the wedding and the squid and the okay all his stories often feature realistic and flawed characters and it holds true for his latest film marriage. Story Charlie and Nicole played by Adam driver ever and Scarlett Johansson are a couple struggling with the early stages of their divorce bombeck painstakingly mapped out the process of their separation. And that makes watching watching marriage story. especially if you're married a bit like watching a horror film. Here's how bombeck described the movie when we recently spoke at the Middleburg Film Festival. I've a friend who said the movie gets divorced so you don't have to which I think is a nice message from married couples relatively Glib but I can see it Netflix has another movie. That's planet Middleburg called two popes. Your movie is called Marriage Story. They both seem like obvious. Titles but almost inevitable bowl. Did you play around with other things to call this. I didn't coordinate with Fernando Morass. I I It was it was the working title from the beginning. The the idea that I'd come up with something else but like pseudo you know Phil Collins but something about the movie resisted more more specific or poetic titles things like the squid and the whale. Didn't there was no squid in the whale to be found and so I I kept coming back to it. I liked it as its in. Its simplicity. I want to ask you a little bit. Because Adam drivers said that this was a collaborative process and hobbies. You're the writer the director. But how would you describe the process of putting the story together and before we started filming what you were talking to due. At least you're actors about it from the onset. It was important for me to know who the actors who are some of the actors were in the movie. I wanted To Have Charleena Nicole in my head is inspiration but also because I wanted to bring the actors in to the process a bit I Adam. I've I've been friends with now. When so when I brought him sort of some of these ideas he would say like? Oh these are things I might. He he was interested in playing a theater director. That's you know as I remember it. That's how that came into the movie. You have often had characters who you are very articulate. That could be writers. They could be theater directors that could be. They are very capable expressing themselves and talking about. Maybe maybe what they're feeling or what they're feeling about somebody else. Is that something that you think is a pattern. That you like articulate characters who happen to have particular jobs does one beget the other. I don't know I I don't think about it like that. Quite the artistic the fact that they were artists and and creative and professional partners in this movie was I thought important and also narrative interesting because there was sort of more at stake.
Gotham Awards: 'Marriage Story,' 'The Farewell,' 'Uncut Gems' Lead Nominations
"Okay Amanda the Gotham awards what do you know about the Gospel awards they are New York based yes is Gotham is a stand in for New York and uh-huh well done thank you and they are an indie film awards and they always have the ceremony pretty early in the season and their speed teaches are often really vibrant and kind of make some noise that people are usually recapping them are doing videos of the acceptance speeches that's right the nominations are usually driven by journalists and critics whereas the awards themselves are usually chosen by people in the New York Film Community this year's collection of films is sure thing and I think it highlights the New York versus La Aspect of this award show I would say that this is a very good collection of films but not terribly represented of of where Oscar is going to be going this year so let's just mentioned a couple of the categories we can talk about what we see and if any of this really ultimately matters to the big race that we talk about on the show all the time so for best feature Lulu longs farewell The safdie brothers uncut gems trae rituals waves Noah Baumbach marriage story and Lawrence Ghaffari as hustlers now as a human man these are five of my favorite movies of the year you truly love to see you love to see it now Ah I think this list has been somewhat criticized for being the eight twenty four awards share and also Noah Baumbach a former eight hundred four filmmaker himself so there's a lot of lineage there but I don't necessarily I mean I think marriage story is pretty much a lock for best picture and you've got a chance to see it over the weekend so that we may be we can t some of that conversation talk about it but yes these other films I think the farewells probably the one that has been tabbed to have the best chance at best picture but do you see a world in which I guess these early awards shows do more than just you know sort of celebrate the films that we expect to not be recognized come Globes and an Oscar season or or do you think that this is just a forebear to what's coming I think this is probably people sharing their passions for the most part and doesn't shift a lot the only notable storyline in the future category for me as Hustler's being here because that means that people really are taking it seriously as a a capital f film in addition to a great kind unexpected box office hit featuring Jennifer Lopez sue and we talked about that a little bit of the time of Jennifer Lopez seems like an Oscar contender people take it seriously it seemed like the answer to that is yes in some ways yes but on the other hand Jennifer Lopez not nominated for Gotham you know just kind of fascinating what are you going to do with you ran does in the film community I don't know it is people expressing themselves yeah I mean there's a lot of very admirable choices kind of up and down we don't have to run through every single category here I think one thing I like about the Gotham is is that it does a lot of awards that I really wish the Oscars would do for example they have the Bingham Ray breakthrough director award and the nominees here are kind of interesting collection of people couple of films I haven't even seen Lord Clermont on Air am I pronouncing that correctly thank you can Jones's here we had him on the show earlier this year Joe Talbot from the last Bachman in San Francisco also on the show Olivia Wilde this year for book smart and films for burning came which is a film I haven't even seen yet which is yeah been released so that this is sort of like in the spirit of the indie spirits meets the Oscars meets the New York film critics are I tend to think of this award show and I think the award selves our health quite early at the end of this year as opposed to early next year and you'll be able to stream them live on the Internet and you'll get to see some of those acceptance speeches that talking about but it does feel a little bit of a lucky to be here kind of award Andre Holland you're nominated for high flying bird and be pretty surprised Andre Holmes nominated for best actor Best Actress Likewise Mary Kay Place for Diana Elisabeth Moss for her smell these are performances that will be on craigslist MHM maybe on your lists I haven't seen her smile yet I need to do that I will do that before the end of the year I'm saying it in public so that will actually happen and probably how do you feel about being in this moment this period of award season where we're like right at the were at the gates worth the Don excited I think you and I kind of went through a marathon in the last week and so we have seen most everything which is great there are a few outstanding films talk about and there are a few on my list that I haven't seen because they were at festivals and haven't really been screening for critics yet but we've seen a majority of things and I definitely just had a week where I just saw elise and I was like wow cinema I was very moved by a lot of films that I saw and so in that sense I feel hopeful and excited and you're like movies are great we have all the movies and then I started trying to make my Oscar predictions and started thinking about all of the politics and like reading from what Academy voters I had to say and it creeping sense of dread also and anger and resentment started creeping in so I would say it's a complex emotional time for me personally how are you feeling I have the same exact feeling as you and it's for that reason that we have decided at the back half of this show to make predictions make bold reckless quite likely very stupid predict predictions because as you said we've seen almost everything last week you and I got a chance to see the Irishman let me just tell you the Irishman is good. You should see the Irishman you had a chance to see marriage three yes we had a chance to see knives out which I don't think we'll be a part of the awards conversation but which was fantastic it lived up to my hopes and dreams have been screaming about it on a podcast for two months so those to receive we see something else we saw little women little women of course of course little women so all of these movies have now been put in front of us let here's here's a very short list of the movies that neither of us have seen thus more because we've done a pretty good job of doing our homework to this moment but so far we still haven't seen nineteen seventeen seventy four one film we haven't ritual Clint Eastwood's portrait of the man who was accused of the Atlanta Olympics bombing we haven't seen cats it's fine that you put this on this sliced by Mattia cats cats come in cat season is nearly upon us we haven't seen dark waters which I think is going to start screening this week we've not seen star wars episode nine the rise of Skywalker uh-huh I did read a bit of box office prognostication about episode nine today it was kind of kind of kind of grim interesting it was like this will is on track to be the lowest grossing of the sued thus far on its opening weekend maybe it's because everybody knows what's GonNa Happen I read some fan fiction or not some fan fiction no like can we just used to lead them into it yeah I read some fan fiction you know what I read some predictions based on nothing speculation is what I read about Star Wars that was essentially conviction and I got really upset about it I told you about this already we had this conversation with no let's not do that yeah but I don't know it people I it seems like people are interested in what happens I'm interested in what happens was the was it that ray is a rookie was it no it's Ray in Cairo and fuck just like the weight again pure speculation but let me go on record saying I do not want this as the really casual star wars fan who does can't remember the title of Episode Nine Not for me it's not what you want the only other movie I can think of that we haven't seen that is going to be competing this year barring maybe you're frozen to in the atom akara categories clemency which is Alfred movie that premiered at Sundance and has gotten reviews and I it was pointed out to me that there to death row movies this year with just mercy and clemency which is kind of interesting but that's only six movies between the two of US we've done a nice job hopefully we'll have a peaceful December probably not as we go through all of our takes which of these sixty think is most likely to to mess up the the narrative is we're going to break down later in the show I have on the document that I made I have one thousand nine hundred seventeen written several different times with like twenty question marks it was I just I don't know what to do with it. It is obviously a world war one epic with really athletic filmmaker gang directed by Salmon News which is Oscar Bait shot by Roger Deakins which is how you know it really is and they haven't they're releasing the behind the scenes rich of him just like running and trenches they're really leaning into we worked really hard to make us you know and it's a very showy style of directing yes their narrative is the effort yes which is an interesting thing we hear a different version of that with someone like Joaquin Phoenix and his performance in the joker we heard all about how he lost fifty pounds and he contorted his body and he I mean this physical transformation this is the full-scale movie version right of what sacrifices were made to achieve something yes and it's so funny because the the movie is not out for still another three months but I think that's really smart and the reason I have twenty question marks is because is it too late in the Oscar season to kind of really breakthrough because the people haven't seen it and the Oscars season is like a full months earlier this year and then was your so we're in a really crunched situation I think we have learned time and time again that it is harder the later you get in the season more crowded it is it's harder to get people invested in your movie you've just created a wonderful segue for our next segment let's go to stock stock down if it goes bust you can make ten to one twenty
Why 'The Irishman' May Not Be Coming to a Theater Near You
"I'm kim masters and this is the hollywood breakdown joining me as melanie of the hollywood reporter and matt net flicks is going for the gold you know they. They got very very close to a best picture. They certainly got the nomination. They didn't get the win last year with roma now. They have a crazy number of movies that they are pushing into the award season. <hes> i think probably the highest profile is martin scorsese's. The irishman an a an outlandishly expensive film about one hundred and sixty million paramount wouldn't do it. <hes> but netflix would now what you're seeing. Is this this drama. Of what kind of release will this movie get and it's almost like the film world is saying hey. This is martin scorsese movie. It has to be in theaters. I accept that's not really an option well. It isn't a small sense. I mean this is becoming an annual debate with netflix where everyone takes note of these high high profile projects that they pick up and then the question becomes well. Wait a second. This is the kind of movie that a lot of people wanna see in theater and the filmmakers certainly wants to see it in a theater later. So what are you gonna do about it and netflix is in this really really tough position. They would love to show these movies for a small amount of time in theaters nationwide worldwide worldwide but they go out and do the road show they try to convince these big theater chains to play the movie and again this year that theater chain said oh. It's going to be out on netflix in a couple of weeks. No we're not gonna play this movie so what you have here is. This is going to release about ten films this fall in theaters but they're forced. I only show them in small independent theater chains new york los angeles some other big cities and for about three four weeks in some cases before they go on the service. We know that steven spielberg for example had some feelings that he sort of expressed last year with roma saying if it's not on screens it's it's a t._v. It's a it's a t._v. Movie it's not a movie movie and then there was a lot of blowback about that and people thought it was exclusionary of young talent. That doesn't necessarily have the power command that kind of release. There was a lot of debate but i imagine if i were steven spielberg i'd be sort of smiling and nodding to myself because i think unless netflix can breakthrough and snag an actual best picture award or some serious batch of major awards at the oscars. I dunno if i'm in a list director to who thinks that i have the power you know to demand a wide release. I'm going to be looking at my options and i'm gonna wanna go to someone who has the ability to say yes. We'll let this play really wide in theaters and because that is the you know it's the holy grail for filmmakers. One thing is clear here and that's that netflix is not going away. I mean they they are coming back. This season even stronger than last season where roma while a great film was a niche play. It was a tough sit as they say you had to really. They get into the the art films of all black and white. It was a period piece. It was different language all of those things yes made it a huge challenge and that's very different from a martin scorsese says he film which has gangsters violence and stylish scenes and everything like that you know they've also got this noah baumbach film with scarlett johansson and adam driver ever to stars of marvel and star wars franchises that are going to be in a film that i think a lot of people are going to want to see and eric story is the name of the film just to fill that in and it's supposed to be getting way out of venice which has just started exactly and i think that the more every season netflix learns a little bit about how to release these films and even if they can't get at that big wide scale theatrical release. They're doing everything else possible to court these filmmakers. They have a sixty person award staff. The people working at netflix dedicated to winning awards. They have no expense spared campaigns. They were they host events. They run <unk> advertising. They pull out all the stops and these are the kinds of things that filmmakers take notice because they say what are you doing for my movie. Well and the other advantage that netflix has of courses at the studios are getting out of this kind of business so we'll see what happens. That's matt bellamy editorial director of the hollywood
"noah baumbach" Discussed on It's Been a Minute with Sam Sanders
"Hurry. So you had roles on girls and broad city and high maintenance, and these are shows that really feel like ensemble performances where like you see the characters on screen, and you know, that this might be like all made up in your head. But it feels like everyone has really good chemistry, and maybe like they walk out of frame, and they're like giggling to each other about that scene or they're going out for coffee or drinks. Or whatever later is that something that you've cultivated on purpose in the community that you found in acting or was that sort of something that you walked into or am I making it up because the chemistry is so good on screen? Well, okay. I think that I think what was what was happening was there's like really dislike movement this class of women in comedy who were coming up together at around the same time in New York. And I think that some of those relationship. That you're seeing on these shows for me were happening in real life as we're all getting to know each other over the last few years, but like what you're seeing on camera. Probably at that time was engineered. It's fake. It was just the oh my God acting as fig it's not real listeners. I'm so sorry to break this to you. So you're saying that like it was a group of women in comedy like Ilana an abbey. Yeah. The like UCB. Oh. And that that sort of like group of women in comedy were uplifting. Each other. Yeah. Recommending each other for roles and whatnot. Yeah. Like the way I met Amy Schumer. I met her at a Noah baumbach movie audition. Neither of us got the part shocking. I don't think either of us even got called back. I mean, and it was one of those like New York moments after we were brutalized taking elevator down. And we were just like Diego talk and shop, and and to saline how'd that go housing for you? I mean, just so miserable. Right. But that was right before Amy entitled Schumer was gonna come out. And I was right before I was gonna Lena was going to ask me to come read this part on girls. We, and we're just sort of like, you know. Hey, I'm Greta, hey, I'm Amy Amy. And I was familiar with her stand up. And and then we were both at the table read for on girls. Oh, interesting. I see I like, Jim. I think now that who else was there at the time. Like, Jessica Williams was there part of like, oh like this group of women. Okay. What's this show girls? Okay. And then that show came out Amy Schumer came out. I nine ended up getting to be on Amy Schumer on all the time. Yeah. But I mean, it was such a different era like are holding for intake, Amy Schumer in one was a homeless shelter and someone pooped on a floor during our lunch break ho code. Yes. It'd be like, okay. Amy, Amy come on. We're setting up like cameras cameras setting up right now. Step over the poop, low step up its human poop here. We got. Yeah. I mean, it seems like there's a that sheared hustle, right? Like, it was everybody was just like we're going to grind to get through this. So that we can eventually ask for more for selves. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And advocate for each other. I remember Amy telling a group of us earlier on she was like, you know, shouted..
Roma debate involves some hard truths
"Took home three Oscars, but it didn't win the trophy for best picture, and it sure sparked a big debate this award season. The Netflix film directed by Alphonso Cuaron was not embraced by theater owners as well as some academy voters because it landed on the streaming site right around the same time. It was offered to exhibitors it's called a day and date release. Typically theater owners want exclusive rights to a movie for several months before it starts appearing on streaming platforms and on DVD. But now Netflix might be thinking about going back to that traditional release pattern. I spoke with the Hollywood reporter senior film editor Rebecca Keegan about an upcoming net. Flix film directed by Martin Scorsese. The movie is called the Irishman. And she started with what Netflix learned from Roma. Flicks had held fast to this day and date release strategy until this past award season when they. They introduced a very small theatrical window a three week window for Roma in one week windows for a couple of other films. That is not a big enough window that it won them any fans among theater owners who still really see the company has kind of public enemy number one. As do many traditional lists in the business who who feel that the obstacle exhibition is a big part of what makes something a movie. So there are a couple things now that are at stake. There is the question of what filmmakers and filmmakers like Martin Scorsese want in terms of how their films are exhibited. And then there's the whole question of whether or not Netflix failure to be able to release Roma in a material way in theaters hurt its Academy Award chances for best picture. Well, it varies with the filmmaker. Of course. But when you're talking about a director like Martin Scorsese who is ultimately such a traditionalist. You know, he's still shoots movies on film. He is a lover of classic film square. Sese? He feels very strongly that he likes his movies to be seen in a movie theater. And so with filmmaker like this, it's very very important. It was also important to help Alfonso Koran even after he'd won his three Oscars. He talked about the importance of the theatrical exhibition experience, so most of these sort of top tier filmmakers want their movies in theaters, and you have reported as have some other people that the fact that Roma did not have a real theatrical release might have actually irked some Oscar voters, and they penalize the movie by not voting for it for best picture to have that. Right. That's right. I mean, some of the academy members ice spoke to said they deliberately put Roma last on their preferential ballot for best picture because they wanna penalize the business model by which Roma was released. Now, you can sort of take issue with that. But for some of these people, they see Netflix has really an existential. Get and it's not just theater owners. That are a little bit uncomfortable with the Netflix model their people like Steven Spielberg who had an opinion about it. What is Spielberg pushing for? We'll spill Berg has historically objected to net. Flicks. He says that they're movies should win Emmys that they're basically made for television movies. He's now behind the scenes pushing for a rule change at the academy that would require a theatrical release of a certain window four weeks is what I'm hearing from my sources in order for movie to be eligible for an Oscar those currently a rule that was passed in twenty twelve the doesn't require any kind of exclusive theatrical release at all. So the Irishman is obviously a big bet that Netflix has made with Martin Scorsese, but it's not the only name brand filmmaker that they're in business with other other movies where they might be looking at some sort of the ethical release before a movie appears on the streaming service. Yeah, Netflix has a lot of very promise. Saying awards movies in the works. They've got an untitled movie from Noah baumbach movies from a D Reese, Steven Soderbergh. David michaud. I mean, these are filmmakers who have had a lot of awards recognition in the past. And I would expect their movies to be of a particular quality where if Netflix wants to be in the awards game. They will do some version of what they did for Rome. What which is to give a movie a theatrical release of some type. So it's one thing for Netflix to say, we wanna do a theatrical release. It's another thing for Martin Scorsese to say, I want my film to have a theatrical release. What are the theater owners saying because ultimately they get to decide what movies are and are not exhibited in their chains. That's right. And the chains have a lot of power for a release of the type that I am hearing Martin Scorsese wants for the Irishman. You need the chains to buy an AMC regal and the others the chains. Want a couple of things they want Netflix too. Have a much bigger theatrical window than it did with Roma. They also were saying that they will report box office to calm score. Which is the company that we all get our box office information from one of the things that was controversial about the way Netflix handled Romo was that. It did not report box office. And it did not allow the theaters where it was playing to report box office AMC and regal say we don't play that way. If you're showing in our theaters we're going to report box office. And I don't know if it's an insult to people who drink or people who sale, but Netflix has been spending money like drunken, sailors. Is there anything that would prevent them from buying theater chain and just doing a work around where they have their own theaters. And don't have to worry about exhibitors. There was a period where net looks was said to be looking at landmark but last December that chain sold to the Cohen media group. But certainly Netflix has a history of buying what it wants if you look just at the billboards that it bought and you. Used heavily to promote Roma net. Flicks is happy to write a check to solve a problem. Netflix does not only spent a lot of money making the Irishman. But also bought a very prominent ad in the middle of the Academy Awards broadcast. How important was that step? Well, it was definitely an expensive ad if you look at ABC was charging two to three million for thirty seconds spots. That was a sixty seconds spot. And it was definitely the company announcing big broad intentions for this Martin Scorsese movie. So maybe come a year from now we'll be talking about the Irishman either in or out of the Academy Award race. I guess the movie has to be good. I so we'll see what happens there.
"noah baumbach" Discussed on Giant Bombcast
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