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What Does Joe Biden Mean by 'Unity'?

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25:37 min | 3 months ago

What Does Joe Biden Mean by 'Unity'?

"This podcast is sponsored by. Msi the award winning laptop company. That has all your work from home. Productivity needs covered. Msi has just launched a new lineup of laptops for variety of user needs to learn more visit us dot msi dot com from the opinion pages of the wall street journal. This is the tomac watch. Joe biden's personnel moves plus the jockeying over coed vaccines as donald. Trump's impeachment. trial gets set to begin. Welcome i'm kyle. Peterson with the wall street. Journal were joined today by my colleagues. Wj columnists kim strassel and bill mcgurn. We take our last podcast. Ranked smack dab in the middle of joe biden's inaugural address So let's start there now that we've all had a chance to see the thing Bill what did you make of it just From the standpoint of presidential rhetoric. Well i thought it was an okay speech. You know their parts. I think it was smart of him not to mention President trump by name. I wish he had said talked about things. Problems on both sides called the but it it was fine it was workable. Think it's going to be remembered reminds me when i was working on a speech on the iraq war. One of the many we gave my colleague asked me What do you think histories. How do you think history is going to respond to the speech. I said well it really depends whether we win. No one's reading the collected works of lyndon johnson's war speeches right It depends whether you win. I think this is the same thing. If you look through history you know the inaugurals we remember and so forth partly. Fd all partly Lincoln's obviously can. Because you so young and filled with promise most of it is because of where we see what the rhetoric was in what the reality was and. I'm not sure the way things are going. I just i just don't think. Joe biden has within him to do the tough things necessary to make those words words and as as everybody sort of expected a lot of his focus was on unity. But it's even less clear to me after the speech what he means by that. And here's A line that jumped out at me. He said i know speaking of unity can sound to some like foolish fantasy. I know the forces that divide us are deep and they are real unquote and so in that reading. I mean the forces of division are some external thing cam. It's not that people in this enormous and Very diverse country vars have different ideas and ways of living views and politics and so forth It's it's a little obama. S it's that we're divided by this external force right rather than that. We are divided by politicians who give inaugural addresses at talk about unity but then also talk about how the real problems in this country are white supremacists and domestic terrorism. I e all of the people that democrats now want to brand as conservatives. So it's a. I mean that was the really discordant part of the speech for me which was just That i it was sort of like we all should get along And we all can get along. But only if you practice a sort of politics that i practice and the way i think and that's not the definition of unity obviously And you know then add to this. That even as the president was finishing giving these remarks You had him gearing up the rest of the day Firing a bunch of people that were trump appointees who actually had set terms And that should they every time in history. These people have been allowed to play out those terms instead. They were terminated. And then you had this raft of executive orders that seemed very much aimed at overturning policy without any thought of whether or not it was good or bad policy and doing it at the behest of a democratic special interest. None of which is a very unifying way to go about Governance one more thought on the unity point There was another set of lines that i thought was notable. And i'll just read them here. He said we can see each other. Not as adversaries but as neighbors we can treat each other with dignity and respect we can join forces stop the shouting and lower the temperature. Fine i i'm with him there. And then he says four without unity. There's no peace only bitterness and fury no progress only exhausting outrage no nation only a state of chaos unquote and bill. Only almost makes me wanna scream the word federalism and submit that that he has it a little bit backward here that at least some of the division we we see today as a function of this attempt to impose unity in the alternative is not chaos but live and let live and people in manhattan and fargo may have different ideas about what the appropriate should be for their specific labor markets and people in south carolina may have health insurance plans. That people in san francisco think ought to be illegal but trying to make all these decisions at the highest level is as part of what's responsible for the division that we see exactly. You can't impose unity right. Unity is the result of a different efforts People coming together. I think you're exactly right on this. Look to add one. Other thing is that We have joe biden talking about unity and talking about hearing killing but is not taken a single step that would be considered tough to make it come about i mean the same week. He's inaugurated Hillary clinton The democrats previous presidential candidate and the speaker. Nancy pelosi are on a podcast. Talking about you know opponents a domestic terrorists cultist and so forth. We're never going to agree. Unity is not meaning. We all agree on the agenda. Unity is we have a common purpose our country and we meet together through the through our elected representatives the people and they horse rate they make compromises and stuff which is why you know. It's far better. Go through a congress to go through the legislative process than look to the supreme court to impose something or for the president to impose something with Executive orders you know. The president biden is just Signed a few executive orders. I don't think that helpful but again a lot of them are overturning. Trump executive orders it shows how brittle using executive authority. 'cause the process of going through congress aching compromise that is the process that leads to unity. But i think there is a big part in the party. I don't think it actually goes with. Joe biden's instincts but to demonize everyone on the other side like tonight even debate with them. Just say you're beyond the pale. That's hardly unity. And it's not healing. And i i worry that people are becoming very cynical about hearing. These lectures on healing and unity with while other people are going around the business of demonizing all their opponents. And kim your your column on friday says that this unity lasted all of a couple of minutes and then the brass knuckles came out. And i take it. You're speaking of some of those personnel moves the dismissal of people in the administration who had been holdovers But is i mean. Is there an argument that the president is entitled to his own people. Oh yeah there's an argument that the president is entitled to his own people and he's gonna get them swarm of the government in fact ninety five percent of all the personnel position. So get exactly what he wants. My argument was that we have had democrats lecturing people for the last four years a making the case that everything that donald trump did was You know so outrageous and so norm busting and so on constitutional you know. The reality is though Donald trump allowed barack obama's and General counsel to stay in his position for the rest of his term. That has always been the tradition of incoming administration's I certain key positions Including this one. The general counsel of nlrb Because these positions are at independent agencies and because they have set numbers of terms right set years of terms so they the nlrb general counsel Is appointed and given a four year. Term mr rob. Peter rob the man who was appointed by donald trump. his term was meant to end in september As i mentioned. Donald trump let the obama an alarm general counsel. Stay there But here's the reason. Why joe biden wouldn't do it and this gets to the brass knuckles issue which is Right now the. Nlrb is going to be his best hope of handing out a lot of special perks to his union bodies and yet on that five member board three of the members of republicans and only one is a democrat and even as mr biden moves in the coming weeks to fill that other position with a democrat. He still is not going to have control so he took an unprecedented step This has never happened before in the history of the nfl. Rb a summary fiery of the general counsel so that he can put in his own guy and he can sabotage undermine the boards work until such time as he can take it over. And and that's my point is if you wanna talk about breaking norms of breaking precedents and breaking political goodwill in town. This is the kind of of unprecedented action that counts And so he can talk about unity all he wants But this is the kind of stuff that is just going to infuriate people especially because it seems like dirty pool politics hang tight. We'll be right back you're listening to potomac watch from the wall street journal. Today's podcast is brought to you by a stick the marketing cloud that helps marketers. Get back to thinking bigger acoustic. Helps you bring humanity back to marketing connecting you with customers and truly meaningful ways ways that make people feel something trusted by trusted brands. Learn more about acoustic at acoustic dot com from the opinion pages of the wall street journal. This is potomac watch. Welcome back another. The dismissals is interesting. Cathy cran injure the head of the consumer financial protection. Bureau was forced out. And what's interesting. There is that The democratic legislators who designed the cfp wanted it to be independent and isolated and not get its budget from congress and not be have its head not be fireable by the president and bill. It took a supreme court fight to make this a fireable position and now the beneficiary of it is Is joe biden. Yes what they wanted for. All these year was a part of the executive branch that was not accountable to the president of the united states I think we ended. We played the said it. Well in an editorial when we said they're sort of now coming around to the cabin point of view about executive authority Look it's more hip. I mean in a backhanded way. I'm glad if the means that they're going to respect this principle. Because i do think As justice scalia warned a long time ago that the separation of powers is really the source of our freedom even more than small and limited government and this was the kind of thing that really threaten them so again. It's another case of situational ethics. But hopefully you know. Hopefully it's going to stay this way where we at least recognize that The heads of these kind of agencies are accountable to the president of the united states. Who is the leader. The executive branch on that point president biden is working to stand up his cabinet and the new defense secretary. Lloyd austin was confirmed on friday in a ninety three to two vote with the to knows being republicans. Josh hawley and mike lee. But what's more interesting. There was the the earlier vote to give him a waiver. I think we discussed this on a previous podcast. But the law says you have to be out of uniform for seven years To be defense secretary the emphasis being on civilian control of the military and and the only two previous waivers that have been given were for george marshall and then a james mattis and the the the vote on the waivers was a little bit closer kim. It was three twenty six to seventy eight in the house and sixty nine to twenty seven in the senate. Some more no votes on the waiver but What do you make of this. I mean at this point. Should congress just repeal the law or is it You know waivers from From here to the horizon. So i'm actually going to take a middle of the road position here. Split the difference because i started out with the view that you just expressed that these things should be rare. There's a waiver for a reason You know we supported the waiver for general mattis on the grounds that you had a president coming in. Donald trump was less familiar with foreign policy. that there was a kind of unique circumstance of having somebody who was very experienced In ways military and defense policy there For that reason. I came out initially saying we shouldn't give another one. For loyd austin i've since spoken to a number of republicans who have actually made in my mind a pretty compelling case that this also counts as a an unusual and important circumstance in this regard that the country is obviously suffered a lot of upheaval in the last year both from the pandemic and from our kind of you know the riots. This summer at the problems with the an at fall out from the election M and so our enemies are aware of that and it there's a potential for them to take advantage and also that if you look around Joe biden's cabinet and his a defense and foreign policy team. The only person who has ever put on a uniform Would be pete buddha judge And it's the argument they made is. It's very dangerous to end up having an entire presidency. That has nobody who's actually released served And that this The lloyd austin is going to be the guy at the table and this is comes from people who know him so at talk to him he's going to be the guy the table who's really gonna actively argue against events cuts And is going to have a familiarity with a lot of really big subjects that have to do with the actual running of the maintenance of the military That you might not get from the traditional think tinky person often comes in to be secretary of defense so you know i can see the arguments on both sides and there are a couple that are really valid for those who didn't wanna give the waiver but in this case i think that You know i. It was a close call and you could respect the votes on the republicans on either side of that. Meanwhile the senate will not fast track. joe biden's homeland security nominee. Senator josh hawley. Said he would object to that dole bill. What's the story there. Well i think there's good reason to hold him back a little look ultimately. I believe he will be confirmed A lot of the focus was on On inspector general report from two thousand fifteen now. Put this in context mr misdemeanor orcas had served at homeland security before as a deputy in when he was confirmed the last time he was before the senate in two thousand thirteen. He was under investigation by the inspector general basically for political favouritism for exploited this investor's visa rich can get Permanent residents in the us In exchange for an investment than and he was accused of overriding career staff and granting it to very politically connected people. Now he was. He was approved in the senate on a party line. Vote back into thirteen. They did not have the inspector general report they have since got it came out in two thousand fifteen the inspector general john roth. Who's an obama appointee. He apparently stands by the charges in that report today and they're they're pretty scathing about his favouritism going around a process and also is treatment of employees. So it's something. To consider the josh hawley. Subjection i think is more an objection just to the biden immigration policy in full as i understand it. He was asking. What are you going to do to enforce the immigration laws. And you didn't get satisfactory answers but i think the practical the practical impact. That will be nil. Little delay the confirmation for a while maybe a week or so and then he'll be confirmed. The added wrinkle is that because they haven't reached their agreement on the senate. The committee still in the hands of republicans seventy-five advantage they could conceivably Vote to not approve his nomination. But i think that would be really explosive because that if if the republicans tried to exploit a loophole like that. I think the democrats would use their power to do all sorts of things. Maybe go after the filibuster right away. So i think it's a practical issue. That's not that's not a. That's not likely not probable because the ramifications for republicans. I think be disastrous also. Interesting in biden's first few days. There's some some jockeying some political jockeying over the co vaccine. Rollout and a lot of the started with a cnn story came that quoted. Some people close to biden saying that they were having to start from square one That we are going to have to build everything from scratch And then that seemed to conflict with some things that anthony fauci when he came out and spoke to the press. I mean how do you how do you read this This little mini controversy. Well i think the bigger point is. It seems to conflict with reality in every fact that exists. You know starting from square one would mean having to build a vaccine They're not having to do that. Starting from square one would be having a personal protection Supplies they're not having to do that. starting from square one with meat. Nobody even got the shot. There was no distribution plan. That's simply not the case. In fact you know. I think the better question to ask joe biden and i think he did get asked this and he was frustrated by it. But you know we're gonna we're gonna increase to one million shots a day while we're already half a million shots a day You know is that really like shoot for the sky ambition. Why not go higher than that Even it gets down to i. I've seen all these stories saying that. You know joe biden's the defense production act to make sure we get what we need. Well you know we. We have been invoking the defense production act at in the places where it was necessary. I'm finding it very notable that his team has not provided any details on. What exactly it would commandeer in terms of factories and how exactly it would do that to to suddenly start pumping out something that we don't have at the moment. I mean everyone has understood that getting these vaccines out was going to be a top priority and you can go all the way back to the summer and see operation warp speeds plans not just for the manufacturer of those but for the distribution of them. And you know as far as we can see. Things are moving at maximum speed You know if he's got some idea for how you can double that overnight Would love to see it but standing up a new vaccine You know plant somewhere. Isn't the work of one day. And you know again godspeed in his mission to get this done faster but i don't see anything out there suggesting that the plans they have are much different or in any way improvement. They couldn't be a problem in terms of getting this done. The the the goal that you mentioned Biden hence set a goal of one hundred million shots given one hundred days or a million a day and the reporting that i've seen is that the. Us is now averaging somewhere around nine hundred thousand shots a day. And kim mentioned biden got pushed on this a little bit and that prompted. You know what could be the first. Come on man of the new administration There was an associated press reporter. Who said he he he asks questions said you set the goal at one hundred million vaccines in the first hundred days. Is that high enough. Should we set the bar higher. That's basically where the us is right now And what biden said. Was this when. I announced it. You all said it's not possible. Come on gimme a break man. It's a good start one hundred million. Yeah i i agree look In some ways. I think this is. This is clever politics. He he's setting a goal but you know ninety percent of the way there so he can take credit for later I mean that's what we get in politics. I mean the difference is we seldom have The press challenging Mr biden and these kind of things so it was good. The guy took a little grief for bringing that up. But i think it was a perfectly legitimate point And they should point out. But i think this is the general This is the general cove approach after blasting trump all during the campaign He became president when there is a vaccine. And it's just been a game changer. And so he's had to do a few things to look like he's doing something you know. The mask mandate which i think doesn't add too much to it is only on federal. Property is also part of that but a lot of the focus could change next week As we've discussed there has been this question now that the house had impeach president trump. When will nancy pelosi send the articles of impeachment over the senate. When will the senate trial began and today. We seem to have an answer. Here's what chuck schumer The senate majority leader said he said make no mistake. A trial will be held in the united states senate and there will be a vote whether to convict the president. I've spoken to Speaker pelosi who the articles will be delivered to the senate on monday unquote. So kim the the prospect then is You know we're three four five days into the biden administration and he's interested in getting these cabinet secretary confirmed and we may spend three weeks or so on his impeachment trial. Yeah i've come to believe that there are some democrats who actually want that though know. I don't know about the president himself. i think he stuck between understanding that This is going to delay important. Things i saw the and and the notion that he doesn't want to tell his fellow democrats in the house and the senate to stand down because that might make progressives angry You know. I saw his press secretary. Today jen psaki saying well. You know it's our opinion that the the senate can walk and chew gum at the same time you know okay. That's not really my impression. I have rarely seen the senate walk and chew gum at the same time. it is going to mean that there is not going to be a lot of time for his appointees etc. But i think on the other hand. I think if you look at it from nancy pelosi's perspective she remains completely obsessed with donald trump. And it's because she understands something very important which is that. Donald trump has done something remarkable for the democratic party over the past four years. It has united party that has massive cracks and splits between the progressives and the moderates and it is allowed them to deflect any attention away from their own agenda and just keep things focused on donald trump. I think that there are many democrats especially in the house Who would be only too happy for the senate to spend you know and not weeks maybe even months continuing to obsess on donald trump. Will they are busy passing legislation after piece of legislation that if it was front page might be upsetting a number of americans who didn't think that this is what they were signing up for. Well it'll be interesting to watch. See how the senate handles this until then thank you came in bill. Thank you offer. Listening will be back next week with another edition of potomac watch.

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Lets talk about the big Amazon labor story. No, the other one.

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Lets talk about the big Amazon labor story. No, the other one.

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So we're going to do a little news fix a make me smile and then we're going to call it a day and megan. I think you should go first with your news. Fix okay thank you. Everyone has their eyes on on amazon this week and today the votes are are done for this union election in bessemer alabama at the warehouse in bessemer alabama but there was actually another amazon labor story. That happened today. That's kind of related to it. And so i wanted to talk about that. The vote ended. Today they're gonna start. counting tomorrow. Could take several days to to know the outcome But today i saw that. The national labor relations board found that amazon illegally fired two activists workers and i had to kind of dig into this a little bit further. Because i was like wait. Which which workers that were activists that amazon fire because there's literally band i think. More than a dozen have filed complaints with the national labor relations board in the last year. And so there have been a number of folks who have spoken out about where how safety and You know just so many so many issues that have been fired and have claimed. That amazon retaliated against them. So these are actually gonna you know. White collar tech workers that were fired for speaking out about climate change. Which was the big deal. That was the subject of the amazon. Walk out if you remember way back in twenty. Nineteen this happened. No this way. I remember you know. I was doing a lot of reporting as the workplace culture reporter on tech activism. This was the huge thing. Amazon workers were calling for better action on climate change and they had this walkout and so these two workers they had led this group of amazon workers who led this walkout a number of other actions and then they also spoke out about warehouse safety during during the pandemic and amazon said that they had violated internal company policy communications policy that they had spoken to the press amazon about their work without getting permission. And that that is why they were fired but the national labor relations board found that they were retaliated against. And so. i've been kind of looking at this wave of of activism. Obviously that we're seeing in terms of the warehouse workers in so many essential workers during the pandemic And looking at like what are the connections between the white collar kind of tech worker activism that we saw going into the pandemic which hasn't really been the focus but was the focus for these two to to amazon workers and the interesting thing is that i think when we look at the case of bessemer. alabama you know kind of what the union is is rallying around there. It's it does seem to be less about wages. You know amazon does have a fifteen dollars an hour minimum wage which is much much higher than the minimum in in alabama and. They have an automatic question. All of that stuff Yeah which is seven twenty five twenty five something. Yeah some twenty-five so wages are not a huge focus of of this fight or benefits and same with same with these white collar tech workers. You know they were really fighting for just the right to speak out about things that mattered to them. Not necessarily the things that we have traditionally thought about under our labor law as working conditions which is usually wages benefits hours and that kind of stuff and similar thing with with the the union in bessemer alabama They have really spoken a lot about the kind of dehumanizing way that amazon runs the warehouses where they have these trackers and they're constantly being surveilled. And then i think this whole taya log that has erupted online over the bodily functions. You know i mean right. Amazon kind of getting it from all sides In terms of there's the big tech backlash from members of congress that has been building for a while. They've got one of their big warehouses in alabama. As you said unionizing we're going to get the results of that vote this week. The nlrb's saying that they unfairly retaliated against some of their white collar workers and it really does seem to be that amazon which has been allowed to get really big over. The last few decades is now. What when one of the articles you so at the second largest employer in the country right. It's the second largest private employer in the country. I think after walmart it will be very interesting to see how that union vote turns out for sure indeed. Yeah and i think you know whether it succeeds or fails. These kinds of issues are not going to go away for amazon. Okay well speaking of issues that do not go away we still cannot stop talking about the pandemic and the vaccine roll out and my news fix is about vaccine hesitancy. Now early on a lot of people were very concerned that people of color particularly black people were going to have vaccine hesitancy because of all the suspicion about the healthcare system for very good reason but reason surveys are showing that it's not really black people that are hesitant about getting the vaccine it's white evangelical 's and it's such a concern that health officials are now saying that this may really compromise our ability to get to hurt immunity because white evangelicals won't take the vaccine and i guess this really spoke to me these couple of articles i've seen about this because i mean you know this making because we've talked about it. I went to school at a white predominantly white evangelical school from the time. I was in preschool. Until i graduated from high school and the relationship with science was complicated to put it mildly and i can just very much imagine how the conversations about vaccines would have happened in in that context and there are all of these evangelical leaders trying to convince their congregations to take the vaccine bombing up against some of some of the folks in the white evangelical community who are expressing a lot of skepticism. And going after these conspiracy theories. So i take the shot people come on. Yeah i mean. I think what it what it really speaks to with with these influential evangelical not getting not getting through to a lot of this population is just sort of the breakdown of expertise of kind of authority you know. I mean we've seen just such an explosion of people just really resonating with you. Know kind of alternative sources of of information and i missing. I sometimes yeah i mean. I don't think it's. I don't think it's it's only on you know kind of one political and or another. I mean the whole follow. The science thing has become so convoluted during the pandemic. We've had just like i mean i. I follow a number of scientists on twitter. I have a whole list of cova. Scientists they're all fighting with each other so follow. The science is not necessarily always kind of the panacea. You know statement that. I think we've kind of thought of it as just you know people are there's there. There's a real breakdown of of like who to listen to. And if these prominent prominent evangelical leaders are not getting through. I don't know what can. Yeah yes there are a lot of. There's a lot of healthy scientific debate. I do think that we are getting clear. Information now in a bit more of an organized way than in the previous administration from the cdc from health officials from the white house. It's a much more consistent messaging. But yeah come on. People get the shot and that stuff matters for sure. Yeah that messaging from the top. I'm sure really. I think about how the pandemic has played out. And you know that maybe they're always would have been a lot of polarization of science and of different things but when you get kind of sustain messaging from the top. I'm sure it makes a difference. All right we've had to downer topics. Let's happy place. Megan do you know what day it is Well a pretty shirts monday. When i woke up by thought it was sundays. But that was dr me. This will make it better. Its first contact day. Wait what i. I contact a come on now. Being charged with me is the day in star trek war when we make first contact with alien species games in in the film i contact which is a newer of the star trek films in the overall arc of star trek genus. But it is one of the prequels and it shows when we had first contact with aliens the vulcans and it's supposed to take place on april the eight sorry april but fifth. Gosh april the fifth today but in twenty sixty three. So we're not quite there yet. But it's first contact day so all the trekkies and all the space nerds can be very excited and happy and if i hadn't put it in storage out of despair of when i would ever wear it again i'd be wearing my lieutenant a horror costume right now but it's it put it away because why would you make such a thing in storage could be wearing that every day during the pandemic. I won't say that. I didn't wear it on multiple occasions. You know while working but no not today all right. What's your wishes your favorite like do you have. Do you have a you know a star trek kind of like okay. What about you know. I am sorry. I have nothing to add to this dialogue. I may be caught some next generation growing up on the tv. Just like randomly here and there. But i am on my. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get it for this but i know i'm i'm i'm really not. I'm not very knowledgeable about star trek. I have to admit. I need to watch the newer series because most of my pandemic binging has been anime. But i do need to catch up on some of the newer star trek series. But it's like i don't know so many different streaming services and like all the dollars going out i can't i can't have everything all right. What's your make me smile okay. Well kind of kind of in the vein of You know aliens and the earth like being invaded by aliens. So i guess this year and within the next few weeks apparently is going to be a major sucato fast in midwest southern mid atlantic states as cicadas have been just chilling in the earth. I seventeen years I know like some cicadas. Come out every thirteen years or something. These kate is. They've been chilling for seventeen years. And there are gonna come out and just like have this. Do their cicadas thing. Going these crazy clouds of billions and billions of cicadas in cover the entire sky and cars and so i mean i think this is cool. I personally have never experienced the insanity of just like clouds of of cicadas. But i think it sounds cool and so i was reading this atlantic. We'll see here. I know i know it. Does i can see how it could be like. Probably a bad thing but from afar it sounds need on the west coast. We don't we. Don't get cicadas. We get like all kinds of other bad. You know but no yeah. Oh which by the way. We quakes smarter than i did. Not wake up for them. Slept right through the air. But the thing with the cicadas is they you know they're like we're all this year in twenty twenty one. We've just been like waiting in our little on earth in you know habitats just like just like nurturing ourselves off of like the dirt and you're just like waiting we're just waiting to like pop up and like get out there and just go crazy like cicadas just like totally chaotic and orgiastic. I guess aquinas. They come out and they they may. Yes just this total mayhem. And we are all cicadas right now and hopefully. Hopefully our story of twenty twenty one doesn't end like i guess. Cicadas was going to the arc. That's not a good art at all. It's it's a big party. And then they all di well yeah. Let her that i don't. I don't want that. I have to tell you though. I was talking to my uncle's about my uncle. David's about the cicadas this weekend and of course And of course my non biological uncle david says to me you know your uncle. David eight cicadas. You know he. He caught him last time around and he cooked him any aid of that. Another reason to be joyful about cicadas. They're edible pricier. He i'm sure he cooked 'em in a very complex and delicious way as the david's will do. Yeah no thanks hard. Pass very very crunchy I'll be very interested to hear if anybody in the audience is eaten cicadas. And what they think of them. Do i mean. I guess there are people that are like sucato fans and they get super amped up about when the cicadas are coming and they you know they try to go. Find the cicadas. So i wanna know if you are a lover or a hater. I have no standing in this argument. Because i had an experience the cameras but i wanna know i'll catch them and put them in a box and send them to california for all right. That is it for today. We've gone long. We have to keep it to the time. Where we're going to get the the chi psi like from a distance just remotely Megan you're going to be back later this week but tomorrow it's going to be me an andy euler for a deep dive on what's happening at the border with his latest wave of migration and it's being driven by a really complex set of factors one of which is economics in central america. So if you have questions or comments you can reach us at make me smart at marketplace dot org. Okay make me. Smart is produced by mercy. Cabrera and our digital producer is tony wagner. Eric phillips writes the newsletter. And the make me smart explainers. Today's program was engineered by gary lang. Ben tolliday and daniel ramirez composed our theme music. Senior producer is donna. Tam and the executive director of on demand is deter any of us. Would you eat a cicadas though which you try i definitely why beane grasshoppers of eating grasshoppers in out of chocolate i would. I've i tried meal worms once. It was not a great experience. I've tried silkworms. They were kind of smelly to did not would not try again. Yeah i get the sense that my uncle is probably going to bully me into. Try and cicadas at some point. In the next couple of months. I look forward to the david takeda creation.

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Tue. 12/17 - Alexa Is A Hit, But Is It A Business?

Techmeme Ride Home

18:49 min | 1 year ago

Tue. 12/17 - Alexa Is A Hit, But Is It A Business?

"Welcome to the tag name right home for Tuesday December Seventeenth Twenty nineteen. I'm Brian McCullough. Today more reported casualties in the Google civil war more strife between Amazon and FEDEX CAN Amazon turn Alexa into a healthy ecosystem or not developers. Let's get busy on. Edge extensions and the top APPS of the decade. Have one big thing in common. Here's what you missed today. In the world of tech well now a fifth Google employee says she has been fired from Google for what she claims was was labor organizing related activities until recently Katherine Spears worked on the chrome security team and she says she no longer does so because because she added a pop up to an internal browser informing her fellow employees of their labor rights quoting and gadget in a post on medium. Spears says that Google was recently forced to publish a list by the NFL are be internally outlining the rights its employees have and in order to ensure that all affected employees knew about it. Spears added a pop up notification to the company's internal chrome browser. Apparently this is common practice inside the company allowing people to share share hobbies or interests with their co workers in response to a request for comment a Google spokesperson said that it had quote dismissed an employee who abused privileged access to modify an internal security tool. This was a serious violation and quote. The company added that Spears apparently circumvented safeguards including including getting authorization from a superior and asking direct colleagues for Code Review. In addition Google says that it would have taken similar action for any pop up added to the browser even ingest a similarly worded email from Royal Hanson. Google vice president was sent to colleagues covering the company's actions quote when I heard that Google had had hired a union busting firm and started illegally retaliating against my coworkers rates spears on medium. I decided to make sure that my co workers knew about about the list and quote spears referring to Google's recent hiring of irs consultants a company described by the New York Times as an quote Anti Union consulting firm and quote when Google Employees visited irs website or the internal guidelines. A pop-up would read quote googles. Have the right to participate in protected concerted activities and quote like the previous employees. who were fired by Google? The so-called Thanksgiving four. She is filing unfair labor practice charges with with the NLRB however in his email to employees Google vp. Hanson wrote quote. I want to be very clear. The issue was not that the messaging had had to do with the NFL. Rb Notice or workers rights. The decision would have been the same had a pop up. Message been on any other subjects and quote Hot on the heels of yesterday's story about Amazon shipping half of its own stuff. The Wall Street Journal is reporting. That Amazon is blocking marketplace marketplace sellers from using Fedex ground for prime shipments citing a decline in delivery performance quoting from the journal the ban on using Fedex XS ground and home services starts this week and will last quote until the delivery performance of those ship. Methods improves and quote according to an email L. Amazon's sent Sunday to merchants that was reviewed by the Wall Street Journal Amazon has stopped using Fedex for its own deliveries in the US but third party merchants still had been able to use Fedex such sellers now account for more than half of the merchandise sold on Amazon's website including many items listed as eligible for prime. That said the decision impacts a small number of shippers but quote limits the options for those small businesses on some of the highest shipping days in history and quote. The carrier said it it still expects to handle a record number of packages this holiday season quote. The overall impact to our business is minuscule. Fedex spokeswoman said in Amazon spokesman Man said the policy change is to ensure customers receive their packages on time and the e commerce company is managing delivery cutoffs. So that orders arrived by Christmas. He said the ban is is temporary and will be lifted once Fedex service levels improve and quote and staying on Amazon for a second for all all the ways that Alexa has been a home. Run hit could it be. That Amazon is struggling to turn Alexa And the ecosystem into an actual home run business. The information is reporting that Amazon only saw revenue of one point four million with an m dollars from Alexa in skill purchases in the first ten months of two thousand nineteen which would be well short of its own target of five point five million dollars and this news of course comes on the heels of the much reported fact that apparently shopping for things to be a voice hasn't exactly taken off anywhere. It should also be noted that Amazon takes the usual seventy thirty revenue share that digital platforms and stores often take so you can extrapolate the overall ecosystem for money-making Alexa skills from that according voice spot Ai. This arrangement suggests that Amazon expected total Alexis skill. ISP revenue to exceed eighteen million dollars in the first ten months. That's a twenty thousand nine hundred but the actual revenue was closer to four point. Seven million dollars Amazon significantly increased its marketing of ISP to Alexa skill developers. In two thousand nineteen. It is not clear. If the shortfall was the result of too few developers participating in the program lack of consumer interest in the offers or some combination of both however Amazon also began curtailing. Its developer rewards program earlier this year which currently provides a pool of funds for developers with Popular Alexa skills that it pays out monthly. Some developers receiving over ten thousand dollars per month from this program and many have seen payouts dropped by more than fifty percent since the beginning of twenty nineteen unquote and quoting from the original information. Peace within Amazon. The company is batting around various ideas to increase revenues from its devices including some that take advantage of its expanding expanding line of ECO show products which have screens Amazon could nudge users towards skills. They may find more helpful and premium content. The two people familiar with the matter said well. More specific parts of its plan couldn't be learned. The company could attempt to take a cut from subscription video services that echo show users sign up for through the devices another idea that company has discussed partnering with The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times to share in the revenue from subscriptions purchased using Alexa. One of those people said a person close to the Journal said the Amazon has not approached it with such a proposal. Amazon recently held talks with spotify about sharing in the advertising revenue from spotify free advertising supported music service when it is streamed through Alexa devices to people familiar with the matter. said one of those people said part of Amazon's pitch to spotify was that it could take over the selling of ad inventory on on the service and better targeted ads to users. The talks didn't move forward. According to the other person and quote Microsoft is officially opening up the Microsoft Edge. Add On's store for submissions from developers ahead of chrome edges launch in January. DEB's can submit through the partner center developer Dashboard. And don't worry any existing chromium extensions can be migrated over automatically quoting wind buzzer developers. Developer can provide permission for Microsoft automatically. Migrate There Edge. HTML extensions to the chromium base. Those developers will see their Microsoft Edge add-ons in the store without needing needing to do anything and quote and for more specific details on the upcoming launch. Microsoft's own support. Doc say that the chromium based edged will be automatically rolled out to. PC's running the windows. Ten April twenty eighteen update or newer. Starting on January fifteenth the documentation Asian also suggests that users will not have the option to keep the old edge quoting windows latest to help our customers become more secure and up-to-date Microsoft doc will distribute Microsoft edge chrome based through automatic updates for windows ten S. four and newer. The company said while the consumers will be forced to try the new edge experience Microsoft says it will launch a blocker toolkit for organizations so administrators can control the installation of the new browser on configurations with automatic windows. Update tabled and quote the Tech Main. 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Brian sent you this holiday season. Why not give to charity smartly with give? Well imagine that you want to help children. You found to trustworthy organizations but they run different programs. One can save a child's life for every three three hundred thousand dollars donated while the other save a child's life for every three thousand dollars donated. If you could tell the difference between the two you'd obviously donate to the one that was one hundred Times better at saving children's lives but in reality it's often hard to know what charities will actually be able to accomplish with your donations. Give well solved this by spending twenty thousand dollars each year researching charities. They Review Academic Studies Charity Budgets and visit charities on the ground figure out which ones are the best at saving or improving lives lives. All of their research is public and free on their website and give well doesn't take a cut of the money that you contribute learn how much good your donation could do by visiting give well dot org slash ride home. First Time donors. We'll have their donations matched up to one thousand dollars if they donate through gift. If well dot org slash ride home again that's give well dot org slash ride home another end of the decade. Wrap up up for you quick. What do the top four most downloaded APPs of the decade? have in common. If you're listening to the show I assume you can. Yes yes they are all owned by facebook. The top four most downloaded apps worldwide from twenty ten through the end of this year where facebook Facebook Messenger. What's APP and then instagram little surprise? INSTAGRAM wasn't above. What's APP but then I always forget how essential what's APP is everywhere else in the world number five on the list snapchat followed by skype? Tick Tock is coming in strong at number seven then you see browser from Alibaba then youtube and finally twitter rounds up the top ten the most downloaded games of the decade. I'm not gonna read them all but the top five were subway surfers candy crush saga temple run two might talking top and clash of clans. Wait what is subway surfers. Apparently it's a game that is super popular in India. India top five overall APPs by consumer spend were net flicks tinder Pandora tencent video and line. spotify and Youtube are only numbers. Seven and eight on the overall consumer spend list. I can't and says it is GonNa Review the Public Internet registries controversial sale of the DOT org domain name system to ethos capital. Apparently apparently they have thirty days to officially okay or Knicks. The sale quoting from ars. Technica I can. The International Corporation for assigned names and numbers said last week that it sent requests for information to PR in order to determine whether the transfer should be allowed quote. I can't will thoroughly evaluate the responses and then I can have thirty additional days to provide or withhold consent to the request the organization said I can which is also a nonprofit previously told the financial title times that it does not have authority over the proposed acquisition making. It seemed like the sale was practically a done deal but even that earlier statement gave. I can hand some wiggle room. I can quote said its job was simply to assure the continued operation of the dot org domain implying that it could only stop the sale if the stability and security of the domain name infrastructure. Were at risk. The Financial Times wrote on November twenty eighth in its newer statement last week I can noted that the dot org registry agreements between PR and requires PR to quote obtain cans prior approval before any transaction that would result in a change of control of the registry the operator and quote the registry agreement. Let's I can request transaction details quote including information about the party acquiring control its ultimate parent entity and whether they meet the I can't adopted registry operator criteria as well as financial resources and operational and technical capabilities. I can noted I can't thirty day review period begins after. Pr provides those details and quote. Thanks all of you you for weighing in on the hundred million dollar a our companies really quickly the obvious answer to my request for a new name for these entities came in rather quickly on the sub Reddit Centaurs because sent of course is the Latin root for hundred but but I also like the idea of true corns true unicorns. Also Rhinos gotta shout and apparently quoting user. SWX On the spread it. Ah Jason Catholic. Kansas is pushing the term Pegasus. Horses that fly over rounds. Because they're doing so well and SUNA corns near Unicorns and quote though I did also like Aaron goats suggestion that we just Meld my dad joke from yesterday and call them send tars and not a few of you suggested that these companies should simply be known as viable businesses. Finally today. This is not exactly a tech story but I think it's nerdy enough. You won't mind some of. You might know Magnus Carlsen. He's a Norwegian chess grandmaster current world chess champion and trails. Only Gary Casper off in terms of the amount of time spent as the highest rated chess player in the world. Well guess what it seems that Magnus is good at fantasy football to US listeners. In case you weren't aware soccer has fantasy leagues as well. Mel and the English Premier League has a fantasy league that has more than seven million players. Well good old. Magnus Carlsen for a time. This week was also sitting atop first place. In the official premier league fantasy standings. He was number one at least until yesterday as Crystal Palace Slash Brighton match. At which point he dropped to number three quoting the Guardian. Carlson claims his success in fantasy football down to luck the chess champions team gel and KC finished among the top three thousand players in the two thousand seventeen twenty eighteen league following three other impressive seasons. It took Carlson just a six weeks to make it into the top one thousand this season and he has been mounting a charge for the top ever since asked to comment on his success. This season. Carlson sided added the data used by F pl players to track footballing form quote in fantasy football. I'm both an optimist and an OCTA missed. He told the Guardian in a one-line online email. Carlson like many Norwegians is obsessed with both the premier league and it's Fantasy League spin off in twenty seven eight players from Norway. Were in the top up fifty F. PL players in the world and quote so what could possibly account for skills from chess transferring over to fantasy sports. Lots lots of people are speculating that it comes down to memory. Good chess players can memorize moves and board positions in order to plot strategy. Several moves down the road and and friends claim that Carlson's memory for EPL stats is indeed prodigious. As indicated by him named Checking Octa the company known for Keeping Sports Stats. It's in soccer. Having said that as I'm sure a lot of you know fantasy sports ain't easy no matter how much you have stored in your brain in terms of stats my own own. FBI team is currently two point. Eight million positions behind Carlson's and among players in our mutant. PODCAST Army League made up of listeners to the show I am smack Dab in the Mid Table Thirteenth out of twenty five players congrats by the way to Eric the Silva whose number one in the Mutant podcast armie league is all dime. PC is sitting on one thousand and eleven points ranking sixty seven thousand in the world much better than my I own eight hundred and forty seven points and he didn't even have Mosala on his team this week though he does seem to have been writing Jamie Vardi through his recent hot streak. That's all for today. I've been reading things online all day. Actually all night right. That makes me think I guess I need to catch up on watchmen over the holidays next week because I dropped off after episode two but I didn't realize that that might just be a one off series. There might not even be a season two for some reason suddenly knowing that makes me really WANNA watch it. Seemed like a cool show it but I don't know I guess my heart that's stolen in the meantime by Mando Dr Tomorrow.

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Ziet Coke 1/21: Diet Coke, Bernie Sanders, #BidenErasedWomen, InstaCart, Wardell

The Daily Zeitgeist

15:46 min | 3 months ago

Ziet Coke 1/21: Diet Coke, Bernie Sanders, #BidenErasedWomen, InstaCart, Wardell

"Good afternoon would you like to try free. Sample of our double fudge brownie. Oh sure ooh that's very good. I'll just take one more just to be sure. Yep still very good. Some things never change like never being able to take just one free sample and geico saving folks. Lots of money on their car. Insurance that macadamia nut i taste. We take one more sir. I thought so fifteen minutes could save you. Fifteen percent or more has the demand for telemedicine grows. So does the need for connectivity. Five g. meet that need. Qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g. Connectivity learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Toto the internet and welcome to this episode of zion. Coke diet coke which is trending subject right into it. i. I've had enough of youth. Jesting that i'm always talking about white folks. I'm jack that's miles This is what's trending diet. Coke is trending because Joe biden is trying to race diet coke. He's on a roll. Yeah man No he had to remove the diet coke button. I guess from the people were pointing out the big red button. That trump had on his desk literally literally to order a diet. Coke is gone also. that wasn't just. Oh what does it look like. Is it like a coke can smash. I'd always pictured it as a big red button like that Staples yeah yeah. That's what that's what i thought. But is there any chance that this is all a bit. And i am just like you on Fallen for writer no This is a hill article that says trump's diet coke button appears to have left the oval office when he did Yeah all right. It's not it's not quite as big. It doesn't seem like as the The staples button isn't that just a theme for his administration not quite as big There's also you know less important. Things like biden arrived to find that there was no vaccine. Roll out plan More on that later. Jack diet coke. He got rid of it. What is he saying what is he doing. It isn't i read was like that. He he vitals really secret. He didn't wanna share with the trump letter that was left on their resolute desk was and it was generous. And i'll i'll maybe say more after i speak with him and i wonder if he's like dude job. He's to sco for me with the marine. I don't know we'll see what happens. Let's have a man that did you see that one clip with a woman crying plea pleading with president president trump to help to save her. The woman who took a private jet to the no different one different crying approved student pregnant. True certainly for me please. For she's asking for a pardon or she is now it was like a general like a cry on the god basically. Yeah yeah. that won't answer. Should learn the lesson. That christmas when you can get an intended like i did on yourself and your cunning to get what you want this world picture miles as a stew we character just basically i mean only child like i read a lot of almanacs and shit like factbook awesome ideas Hashtag bernie sanders is trending. Why bernie sanders trending. His appearance will always be more intriguing than his policies for people on the internet. Fucking mean you know. I love this. He's wearing a winter coat. He's got mittens. Israel norm core is giving me life miles. But it's almost like it's weird because that's sort of like part of the appeal of him to right because like black twitter's like bernie memes and that's like there's a crossover there you know that i think speaks to his Broader appeal as a politician. We'll see what like what kind of gavel moves he Once he's on the budget committee but yeah just interesting to see like how immediately bernie sanders became one of the biggest talking points out of the inauguration and it was mostly just about like lick it. He's like he's like regular guy. Like people like yeah. Yeah yeah that's all we need. More regular guys are just regular people who like look like any person on the street and we don't have to be like. Isn't that weird. He's like a regular guy up there. We're just with regards to the me. My do feel like we are seeing One of the details get left out because it's the same Shot of him photoshop. Where he's got his legs crossing his arms crossed and when the novel ope we. Can you see the envelope in the picture. Oh maybe i think. Maybe i think for all of the envelope is the most key detail marked. Yeah for those of us that went frame by frame of desert. Pruder film of bernie entering the inauguration. We saw like oh my gaze running errands. Let's go just like didn't didn't even give a fuck enough to drop off foul-up his office before coming to the inauguration yeah but yeah. I mean the mittens. The mittens miles are giving me life. Is it clear that that's the only thing that i know how to say. Oh yeah like a life giving me life. I mean you're drag queens lying is next level but it's like three year old drag queens slang. So you've been you've been pretty hip you're like oh my god you're like mitch. Mcconnell just gave trump his whole life on the senate. Like what i was like. Oh shit okay doesn't really were. And then he started like popping your tongue and shit. I was like what are you watching. What's show you into right. Now you're laying rupaul's drag ways dragway enrolled. Yeah all alright. Hashtag biden erased. Women is trending because there are some turfs out there ratted again. Yup trans exclusionary radical feminists for the people who don't know which is you know. Jk rollings it's people who are anti trans but claim that they're still pro-women and they're claiming that biden's progressive policies around trans rights are erasing women. Ya it's It's just like so hard to wrap your head around. I mean the logic just being like if you're protecting trans women than that is a racing. The rights of sis gender women. The whole thing is like are you okay. you're feminists. Are you intersection right. Because if you are shut the fuck up. Yeah that's in that's do you couldn't be more intersectional than to include people like it's whatever so album loving it love when the turfs go off because yeah fucking hold that l like it's it's just it's ridiculous so yeah it's a big big trend big old trend today. The is this. Because i see us at least as much Of people being critical of the sentiment or if not more of people being critical the sentiment On on twitter is this partially being sort of amplified by people who just want there to be messiness within the by administration and with like the left the left is eating itself dens in disarray. It's such a weird like this is such specific take this transphobic should and especially when you're couching it in this language of it's it's it's going to hurt sis gender women there. I mean i don't know maybe there are people just trying to make a mess but like this is this constantly comes up like ever anything happening. These are the same people would like to have some emoji these red xs or something on their twitter like when. Jk rowling goes off and they're like oh we love it we love so it's The it seems like they're the men's rights activists of feminism like they have a very Narrow and stretch all very like it just old school a lot of them just come out of fucking like negative. First-wave with feminism. Like so far back. But yeah it's it's has attent- of misogyny to it wouldn't you instacart is trending because they are firing every employee who voted to unionize. So i'm going to be deleting instacart from from my phone and fucked up there. Yeah firing every my god late again no type of vote. I mean what are you know. It's totally up to you. And then it's a trap. Yeah exactly they set me up And we're we're talking about how the Nlrb the labor relations board You know biden had to switch stuff up because the guy who running that for trump was basically instacart. The person who would you say. Oh no no no free speech. You have no ability to focus for that. I'm firing you or whatever else is going to happen so I mean cheese. Like their business has been booming because of the pandemic yen entity. Then say like. Oh let's eat into our already. Uncharacteristically high profits by giving these people more protections is just another sign again. The argument is always. It's not that it's gonna fuck their business up the assholes in the c. suite. Don't want to make less money right. And also if they're publicly traded then they have to. They value their goddamn shareholder shareholder. Value is too important to them. Then just do right by the humans that make the whole thing possible so e to a big of shit instacart right. Deliver that to give me that. I'll pull up with it. I'll shit on your miami's naked actually cut. Because i don't wasn't enough. Shit my sneaking side make sense it. Will it will tomorrow too tomorrow. Gang took up a lot oxygen on the show Wardell is trending Which is steph. Curry's real first name and Is trending because i mean he just gifted the internet with a prepackaged reaction me is basically a reporter asked him a question. That was one of the worst questions i've ever heard in sports journalism which is bad because sports journalism as you like worse than him. Gray would ask. Yeah it was well. Jim gray's just suck a bad person. Yeah he sees. He's like have halfway to having his soul sucked out of his body like by dementia yoga. One of the first times he went left. I remember trying to figure out if his family owned mine. I'm not joking. I was like fuck like i. Just can't it can't be this. That was that was two thousand two. There were many resources. There are many resources now for people to try and figure that stuff out but yeah interesting anyway The the guys question was why is one of the players on his team. So good at put bank put back dunks. Which is the question That i would have asked when i was seven years old to somebody. Like Hey john paxson was michael jordan. Good at dunks like basically that level of a question kid. He opens it by addressing steph. Curry is wardell like very floor slab. Yeah and steph curry's eyebrows just shoot up like m- what the fuck are you trying to. How how is this. What and then to follow up with the worst question ever It was clear that he put all his energy into having the gumption to call him wardell and hadn't even thought beyond that word. But it's it's mainly trending because what steph curry didn't response will be a reaction me for The rest of our lives. Yeah and the shoutout to marcus thompson. Who asked that question. I'm sure that helped his Follows because they're already me minimum. Yeah yeah that's actually a funny like y'all this is how i'm gonna get my up as a journalist he might be. I'll call him by his real name. Which isn't controversial. Braille will raise his eyebrows. Get a conversation going. And i was like damn smart. All right marcus. I see you did you have. Did you have anything that your parents called you. And you're in trouble because somebody was pointing at like the reason. He responded that way. 'cause usually didn't hear that unless he was about to catch an ass whooping i'm thinking now i mean my mom now i have a real name. That is not my name's john. Christopher o'brien that's when i was in some shit yeah. That was funny. 'cause i only heard that at the white kids houses fuck your name's dj his call you like. What was that. And they're like what is this. 'cause my i think my dad it'd be like hey or my mom would say something in japanese she. My mom had more of a prelude to the head ripping off and then she would say in japanese that i knew that the tide was going to take me away. Yeah which was email to stick to which means like. I'm getting irritated while and if measured if i continued down the path i knew it would. I would then begin the sequence of combat. I could not reverse. So was i say and then like i was saying to like you. Act up in front of your friends and your friends will speak. Japanese like wish you say nothing foolish. Fuck jokes about it. All right that those are Five of the things that are trending. Right now We are back tomorrow with a whole last episode of the show Until then be kind to each other. Be kind yourselves. Wear a mask. Wash your hands stay inside. Don't do nothing about white supremacy and we'll talk to y'all then by by.

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OA465: The Fight to Unionize at Amazon

Opening Arguments

1:08:57 hr | 2 months ago

OA465: The Fight to Unionize at Amazon

"They wanted a chance to make law but here it is a good one. Is this your guide. We have your name on the registration. No you don't don't be ridiculous networks. Don't get to decide election. Do janas sleep big city law like my opponent here. What just happened kind of confessed. Sorry i find you. Bring out the wheel of punishment. Welcome to opening arguments. A- podcast that pairs a comedian with a real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the law offices of the andrew torres. llc for entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice and does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. Hello and welcome opening arguments. This is episode four hundred and sixty five. And i'm thomas and that's andrew. How you doing sir. I am fantastic. Thomas how're you still not a cat and we are not talking about. He shall not be named. I'm excited for what is sure to be a classic. Oa deep dive The way the show should have been in the alternate universe where hillary was president or something. So i can't wait. Let's see. I don't even think we have any announcements or anything. No i can't. I can't wait. Let's get to it all right here. We go down down down down andrew. How do we unionize amazon. Well we are getting a masterclass in that right now From a union called the retail wholesale and department store union And this is super fascinating right. So strep in. You're gonna learn about the national labor relations act I learned so much researching the story and those are always the most fun For me to bring it to you. Because i kept to share the stuff that i didn't know so i knew that amazon was one of the largest employers in the united states. They are the second largest employer employee. Eight hundred thousand people of whom almost all are classified as essential workers that is they have been working throughout this pandemic. It's this last week. I didn't know this at all like amazon. Has the fomin centers across europe. Virtually all of their employees. not in. the united. States are unionized Well then i bet it's four thousand dollars to deliver you. You know. I gonna tell me it actually works out okay amazon except for such a fine Amazon has had as far as i can tell one. Vote as to whether any element of its workforce is and. I'm gonna explain the minutia on that in a minute. It was in two thousand fourteen at lost It was a group of mechanics and technicians. Who worked in a delaware facility for for amazon. So thomas. i don't expect you to get the margin. I just wanted looking for you. Know sort of the total vote. Total here How many people do you think voted. Amazon employees voted in that twenty. Fourteen election are you. I looking for a percentage or my looking for a number number number. Total out of out of eight hundred thousand people potentially Three thousand four hundred twelve. Yeah so the vote was twenty one to six jesus and worse i. I thought i knew you were going to be like. It's either gonna be really big a really sangam exams. It was so the the way that it works under the national labor relations act. Is that if you are a union. And you have an identifiable sub population of of an employer's workforce and that is called a bargaining unit. And you say. I think these guys all have the same interests in common and you get thirty percent of them to sign a letter. Then you can petition. The national labor relations board to hold an election of the entire bargaining unit and if they vote greater than fifty percent Then you get to go in and be the union that represents them so an issue that is frequently debated in. Nlrb cases is what's relevant bargaining unit. Right and you can imagine that like for purposes of certain unions. You might wanna treat different amazon subpopulations differently right like the drivers may have different interests than the stockers and they very different interests. Yeah then than the you know then management right so so put a pin in that. The only vote that amazon has ever had in. Its entire history. In the united states whether to unionize that was authorized by the nfl rb and overseeing brightness in accordance with the the the the national labor relations act was for the international association of machinists and aerospace workers and it was whether to have this tiny group of mechanics and technicians that worked at their delaware facility. authorize the i. a. m. a. w. to represent them and they voted that down twenty one to six seven years ago january fifteenth. Two thousand fourteen little over seven years ago if you ask amazon well kinda seems like twenty seven votes out of eight hundred thousand Seems low did insignificant sample size like honestly and their argument is. We're good to our workers right we in twenty eighteen We passed a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage across the company. So you don't need to unionize right and that is the position that they have taken very publicly in opposition to that You might point out a number of different things. The first thing you would probably point out are conditions on the job so put a pin in that. We'll we'll we'll come back to that one but you also might unionize. That individuals aren't forced to sign take-it-or-leave-it contracts that have is a blatantly unenforceable non compete agreement. That is eighteen months after you quit or are fired by amazon. You can't work in any competitive business anywhere in the world. Don't take legal advice from podcast but That's there's no way that's enforceable non-competing agreements are meant to prevent you from taking legitimate techniques that you have learned at your prior employer and you know using them on behalf of your next employer for stacking shelves That you know is yet another company. They put the shells on top of the things but in amazon they put the things on the show. You can't take that important trade secret. Yeah that's right. And in addition to the non competes was one of the reasons. I had to dig a lot to figure out where those contracts aren't my sources. The verge which is not you know not a top line source for me usually is because in that same contract are non disclosure agreements writing so one of the counter arguments of why you might wanna union is. Hey you have an employer that is trying to curtail knowledge about its employment conditions. And we'll talk about the conditions but but as a result of that in september of twenty twenty reports surfaced as the reason they surfaces because somebody was Scanning you know jobsites right and Online not facilities but like online web portals for new jobs and amazon tried to hire an intelligence analyst to and that job posting went viral amazon was asked about it and they said oh we. We posted that in error but the idea was to have somebody who would oversee their efforts to figure out if employees were unionized or not so that job went unfilled but what did not was. I will link it in the show notes. That amazon is using both from its corporate headquarters and installed on its employees desktops sophisticated software. That's spies on what it's employees are doing off the job writing in closed. Facebook groups and other online organizing and that software delivers a report back to corporate identifying a among other things drivers who quote were planning to strike or to protest against and of quote or participated in facebook groups that had certain code words within the facebook groups that were linked to potential labor organization. Right and those code words were things like fair wage rain which by the way we talk about fair wage in our facebook community. All the time. Right so if if you work for amazon And you remember the opening arguments. Facebook community You may have gotten a report about u Shit yeah sent back to amazon corporate and The guardian september twenty seven th of last year published an expose amazon owns a among many many other things. They own the whole foods chain of grocery stores And a secret. Training video leaked out from amazon corporate post merger explaining to whole foods. How to prevent their workforce from unionizing. They're very fine people on both sides so We we wanted to present the full. You know maybe. No one ever unionized as at amazon because the pay is fantastic in the working conditions are maybe because the company has made it a top priority in the united states to Persuade its employees not to unionize. We're gonna talk a little bit more about that but but pin and all that stuff for the time being now i wanna tell you about the specific outfit. That's going on right now on march. Twenty ninth of twenty twenty so right as the pandemic was taking hold. Pandemic has been super good for amazon's business right as as we all know right. Yeah so they opened a brand new facility. It it's called the b. h. m. one facility in town called bessemer alabama and it has six thousand plus employees the conditions in this fulfillment center are. I'm going to quote from the american prospect. But i have multiple sources on this. Let's start off with sara murray thrasher who says quote they work you to death. She worked as a store. An employee who stocks items in warehouses before. They're ordered by customers right so she Offloads from trucks stores them in the warehouse before they have to go out on a as purchase. She worked there for two months seven weeks october. November twenty twenty before being fired by email with no prior warning. Mr asher says it's crowded. Sometimes you can't even find a station. We would get reprimanded if our stowing time was above twenty seconds or higher with rates needed to be done in eight seconds per item. Thrasher explained that bathroom breaks were available but taking one would negatively impact your stowing rate and if there were no stowing stations available. She would be placed in different departments without any training. So she's they're putting packages away. You're allowed to go to the bathroom yet at the end of the day. Then the figure out. Yeah then will they be. we've seen reports. That are that that it was prohibited and this is a way of effectively prohibiting. It if if they take total number of packages divided by total amount of time. You're on the job and going to the bathroom counts. As being on the job you can see how that would be bad. I'll give you another former stower. Byrom talisman worked there from august. Talk tober of twenty twenty said starting wage of fifteen dollars. An hour was enticing. But the work environment was awful quote. It was almost set up like sweatshop turnover rate is extremely high where we would have at least fifty new people coming through every two weeks. Okay so that's the reports from inside the facility and what happened what happened. Is that the retail wholesale and department store union decided to target a subset. The stores part of that a subset of the people who worked at this beach in one facility. And what you have to do. As as i said before under under twenty nine. Usc section one fifty nine e is you've got to get thirty percent of the relevant workforce of the bargaining unit to sign your petition. And once you get over thirty percent you can then under the law deliver it to the national labor relations board and what they do is they immediately sent notice to the employer they say. Hey we've got a petition. Here's what it is and we're going to hear from both of you and then we're going to decide if this is something where We are required by the law by the national labor relations. Act to hold a vote and if we're required to hold a vote then that will be by secret ballot and it will be administered by the nlrb so as to be fair. I'm going to link this is The nlrb's own reports that go back from twenty ten to twenty thousand nine hundred and although union activity is way down in twenty nineteen. Which maybe you could infer is trump thing otherwise The the activity is relatively constant and the ratios are relatively similar. Okay and it looks something like this. You would have petitions like this filed about two thousand per year of those two thousand a tiny hand focus dismissed on motions to dismiss. How do they get dismissed on a motion to dismiss if you don't have enough signatures right if there's some kind of technical defect and when i say a tiny fraction i mean you know in two thousand eighteen seventeen of them. The the most in the past decade was twenty eleven when forty three were dismissed right so a tiny tiny fraction one to two percent every year. Get dismissed of rather large. Fraction are withdrawn about a quarter. A third to a quarter of these petitions are withdrawn every year. And i wanted to figure out kind of how that happened. And what got me down. The rabbit trail to the amazon case so now. Let's go back on november twentieth of twenty twenty after spending some time so facility the The one facility opens up march. Twenty ninth of of twenty twenty. You could imagine how difficult it is to get those workers to like. Come over and sign your petition rain during cove it but the retail wholesale and department store union assembled a they defined the stores up the people they wanted to represent a. They wanted to exclude truck. Drivers seasonal employees temporary employees supervisors managers right so they define their relevant bargaining unit at a one thousand five hundred people so under the law. They need thirty percent. They need four hundred fifty signatories and they got that by november twentieth. And so the anna larbi sends out a letter and says hey we've received a petition Peers valid on. Its face has the requisite number of signatures amazon. What's your response and then amazon did something that employers typically do this is a weird sort of double or nothing but it makes sense to me. They said oh the fifteen hundred people. That's not a sensible bargaining unit. It should be all of our employees. They just trying to make like it's impractical to get all of employees. Or how does this gambit the reason that you would do that is think about once the union has defined its own bargaining unit. They have to get thirty percent to file the petition right. Yeah so y- fifteen hundred people. You've already signed four hundred and fifty people to win the election. You're leaning to get to seven hundred and fifty right so you only need to persuade three hundred more people. If amazon can expand out the number of people who are eligible to vote. Then you need to persuade three thousand people instead of three hundred and it turns out that this is in fact a fairly common tactic that employers use they say hey relevant pool should be much larger and all of these other people should be eligible to vote and then they are allowed to have in person meetings at the company. That says okay. You're going to hear from a union. But here's all the reasons why you shouldn't join a union so they can then start lobbying their own people not to join the union. The rw dsu. The union called their bluff. And they said okay. Sure you wanna you wanna put the entire population right. The entire workforce of six thousand people at this facility up for a vote will take that vote absolutely so then the argue and i think amazon was kind of surprised by that so then the argument shifted to well. What kind of a vote should we have. Tell me if this strikes you is familiar at all. The union wanted to have vote by mail their their view us. Oh you gotta goddamn pandemic. oh and on. Voting by mail is a long recognized procedure at the larvae And add. Let's do that. Let's just set something up online or something. So here's the thing it again. These are overseen by the nfl. Be right so as you might imagine Because you know well it's not hard to imagine one that would be grotesquely. Unfair right like a a thing where you get a You can either put your ballot in the yes box of the no boss. The no box and your boss sets up at the front of the room. Yeah right so engler be has to oversee at. I don't know if they have done it online. They're not doing it online. In this case. I would be a little bit worried about hacking but yeah it's worth kind of put a pin in that and looking for ways to modernize it amazon thought differently amazon. Said don't know look there. There's all the rates are the response rates are low where they're more errors and there's more you know fraudulent ballots. Let's have let's have it in. Let's have an in person russia's probably trying to tamper with our union. Vote over here you exciting every week. We're doing an extra opening arguments. You know how we're going to be on the stereo app wednesdays at five. Pm pacific eight pm eastern. We're going to be on the stereo up answering your questions. And you're going to be a part of the show. 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In addition to providing requested health certification in personal protective equipment the employers willing to make free cova testing available to election participants to conduct temperature screening using thermos scan technology to make its digital distance assistant or human social distancing team available to monitor the line leading to the voting tent to provide pass through boxes or vending machines to ensure the distribution. His contactless provide restroom trailers. That the board agents need not enter the employers facility arranged for food delivery services that would be at a separate tents so that the voting area board agents need that seek meals elsewhere arranged for board agent transportation to this location using drivers who has received negative covid tests. Arrange for private independently sanitized floor wing of local hotel for board agents staying in the area overnight and or arrange for agents who wish to stay on site in recreational vehicles during the course of the election so that sounds like a huge pain. That sounds like an amazing pain to not. Just mail out the ballots. Which is what the union suggested. Well who gets to decide. I mean if the union says one thing in the company survived. I don't even know why the company has a say in how the people might get to vote about how to unionize. Is that just because of the capitalistic nightmare. Hellscape we live in or it has to do with a prior decision of the nlrb. Called aspira keen. All which Was a november twenty twenty decision about how to hold elections during the pandemic and it basically says that it's up to the nfl rb to pick to make a decision as to how to implement the requirements of voting in a way that's consistent with protecting employees so it isn't that the employer gets to say it's that they make doing proposals and they argue. You know to the anna. Be which one you should choose by the way. This is why it's important who sits on the nlrb eight imagine that Different different folks may May view this differently based on your Based on the overwhelming similarities that this has to the position taken by the two major parties and in fact the nlrb held in another decision decision called daylight transport from august of twenty twenty that concerns about potential disenfranchisement of voters could be relevant to whether a mail ballot election is appropriate so in other words the kinds of arguments that are being raised against voting by mail have been looked on. In some cases favorably. A by the larvae. And so here. This is not great that their primary objection to the mail ballot election being raised by By amazon was that it would not be able to quote hold certain employees meetings at any time within twenty four hours of when the ballots are mailed until the ballots are counted. The employer argues that this unfairly gives the petitioner the union a greater opportunity to communicate with employees. Where the employer has ceased holding large in person meetings the The analog and reviewing that rather dryly says i note that the employer has ceased holding large in person meetings for the same reason that a manual election is inappropriate namely a pandemic further note that many methods of digital communication are available in equal measure to the employees the petitioner and the employer so i gave away kind of the the conclusion there while reading but the are be rejected those arguments and they said no. You're going to have a vote by mail elections. Oh good and that vote by mail. Election began last monday. February eight rule. And if you're thinking like how does an independent body that is trying to make sure that voters aren't disenfranchised to hold the free fairest elections possible. Your ballot up must be received an envelope that assigned. Okay if not it's void and you get a notice that says your. Your ballot was thrown out but the ballots must be returned to the national labor relations board region. Ten office by the close of business on monday march twenty ninth twenty twenty one so seven weeks of voting is what an independent nonpartisan body trying to to to count. The ballots of six thousand people. Decided was was appropriate to sort of balance out those concerns and it has begun. And we're gonna we're gonna track because this would be the very first inroads of any union in any amazon facility whatsoever So really really. Exciting amazon Is allowed to communicate with its employees During the election right. There's not there is not the equivalent of the no electioneering rules right. Like when you're in a line yeah. Amazon is communicating. Bees begin to electioneering rules. I think that's right. So here's who's eligible to vote all employees at the facility who've worked an average of four hours or more per week during the thirteen weeks immediately preceding the eligibility date for the election. right that is february So part time employees. As well as fulltime employees they vote whether they wished to be represented for purposes of collective bargaining by the retail wholesale and department store union. If that fails right they can try and organiz again with with different unit. But it would. Obviously you see the expense. The unions had to go to a ticket to this point it would be a significant deterrent if they wind up losing. And you'd have to go back to the beginning and get all the signatures and everything else. In the meantime amazon has engaged in a bunch of different ways in which it wants to communicate with. Its workers about the dangers of of joining a union so flyers posted in the bathrooms. Okay that's that seems fine right like you get to put up a little letter that says. Hey employees aren't using them anyway. So right posting seven the bathroom. You don't allow your employees to go to the bathroom so fine both away. Yeah how about mandatory meetings sometimes as often as five times a day to argue about why Unions would be worse off while you do worse off of the They've launched a website called to do it without dues a quote from that website. Corey anti union propaganda is the best. Here we go. Yeah why pay. Almost five hundred dollars in dues. We've got you covered with high wages healthcare vision and dental benefits as well as a safety committee at an appeals process. Mind you the the. The benefits only apply to the fulltime employees. They say he's high wages in healthcare. Whatever those where is that. I get that if i'm but again. The same perverse incentive that underlies. You know the affordable. Care act right. Is that young workers making and here fifteen dollars an hour which was should be minimum wage people making minimum wage people at the margin over value. The take home pay Because so much of it has to go to fixed expenses like food and shelter so saying your paycheck is going to go down five hundred dollars to somebody making fifteen dollars. An hour is a really strong argument a little bit of some reports. Here this is. This is from the bangkok post so different source area. But a bunch of these quote Joseph jones part time worker at the bessemer warehouse said their new weekly meetings to go over. How you're feeling and how you're mentally handling the pandemic but we have mandatory weekly meetings to go over how bad a union would be. It's almost like an abusive relationship. Where the abuser. keep saying. I'm sorry don't go to police. I will be better. We don't have to go to a third party. So that's that's some of the reporting on the ground bernie. Sanders went down and said quote. It cannot be overstated how powerful it will be amazon workers in alabama vote to form a union. The good news. I talked about the statistics before. From this is from the larvae. Once you get to election unions win about two thirds of the time right cool. Yeah i mean like i said. It's about fifty fifty from the filing of the petition. But that's because of the petitions that get dismissed or withdrawn. Because you know the be will say okay. Well yeah. The relevant bargaining unit. Is this huge group and And the labor unions like. Yeah we're not going to go through that or there's some other technical error but but no when when you look at Over the last ten years Unions wind about twice as often as they lose when you go to a full election. So this is really really interesting. It's really kind of on the forefront and it it helps i think flesh out that larger question of we have a public facing fight for increasing the minimum wage for having a living wage in this country But this goes to show that like living wage is not wear the questions end so yep so that's up Will amazon employees become members of the retail wholesale and department store union We will know in early april so there you go okay just to clarify though andrew. This is just one specific amazon location. Or whatever like shipping something. It's not they all across the united states. Yeah that is absolutely right really really good question. This is about that particular bessemer facility. The be hmo one everybody so we do not have closed shop unions in this country anymore. That means everybody gets an upper down. Vote on will. I be represented by this union. And so those six thousand people if they vote yes then they will be represented in collective bargaining By the union But the other seven hundred ninety four thousand dollars going to say but is it a roadmap for them they kinda it's absolutely a roadmap right says. Yeah we were able to break through this stranglehold and then you know you would think enthusiasts of the free market put lucky would say like well our employers. Do our employees doing better off in bessemer ala bama being represented by a collective bargaining unit. Or are they doing better off. Just you know one at a time take it or leave it elsewhere in the country and so in what are the one of the salutary effects. Is that in trying to make the case right so amazon is going to continue to have these meetings and you know the propaganda and everything else but but one of the things. That's really beautiful about that is supposed. This union goes through in alabama. And then there's an effort to unionize at another amazon large fulfilment center. Vel roll out the same propaganda and they will need to show that conditions at x facility are superior to conditions at the bessemer facility which often provides powerful incentives for internal change that go beyond where their incentives are right. Now which is amazon changes things when they get enough bad. Press about like you know how people are wearing diapers to work in the and and that sort of thing so i don't want to oversell. What six thousand people and. I'm really glad you asked the question. That way. but is a foot in the door it is a roadmap for future and And it would it would signal unions like. Hey you can get inside of amazon and And that's a big thing all right. Well that's exciting stuff and let's see. I think you've left enough time for a mini wild card round. So let's we've got some power sharing agreement so because i want to talk about committee assignments I want to tell you that the power sharing arrangement that was entered Remember last time we talked about this. The text was embargo in advance of the the senate consideration on impeachment. That's now out. It is senate resolution twenty-seven and it is almost word for word identical to senate resolution eight from two thousand and one and remember that was an agreement that favored quote unquote. The republicans right. That was george. W bush and vice president dick cheney breaking the ties and so again if you were skeptical. The democrats got the exact same terms in the exact same words that the republicans got For trent lott in twenty in two thousand and one I'm very very pleased with this. I continue to think i've said this before. The the two thousand and one power sharing arrangement was only in effect for about six months. Because jim jeffords. Republican of vermont made him declared himself an independent and caucus with the democrats stop caucusing with the republicans began caucusing with the democrats Lisa murkowski has said she will not become a democrat but That does not have not holding my breath on that one but but that does not prevent her from becoming an independent and caucusing with the democrats she goes straight to bernie sanders is just her and bernie and technically independent is. Just the i feel like the guy from maine maybe angus angus gle. Good old maynard navy like if you're gonna join independence joined those to go. Yeah might as well go all the way to socialist. I'm with you so it. In addition to senate res- twenty-seven that created the rules. Senate res- twenty-eight staffed out those committees and we have seen some of these reports. But i want to tell you. There are progressives everywhere in the power structure of the senate and the reason. We haven't seen that so far as again. The senate's kinda busy with the impeachment thing right now but listen to these folks. It's shared brown chairing the the banking housing and urban affairs committee. Maria cantwell on commerce science and transportation. Tom carper on the environment. Ron wyden on finance. Gary peters who is the junior senator from michigan. I didn't know a whole lot about him. So i looked him up on progressive voters guide and they love this guy right. He's the chair of the homeland security committee. And if you're sitting there thinking like okay. well whatever kirstin cinema is on that committee right. A moderate conservative democrat from arizona. She's way down the list right like so. If you're sitting there thinking like did joe biden. Neo kind of play pixies like if you wanted to. You could have put cinema as chair of homeland security early michigan. Not not a lot of border crossings into michigan. I read that as a as a pretty significant signal and of course you know bernie sanders as chairman of the committee on the budget. Here are the negatives here the things you can be kind of mad. If you want amy klobuchar and again we've been back and forth. Her voting record. I think is more progressive than her campaign. Interestingly but yeah amy klobuchar chairs the committee on rules and administration now great. There goes the country. There goes the country. Mark warner pretty conservative. You know moderate centrist democrat Chairs the intelligence committee. But honestly before i mean even before you get into all this. There aren't even that many progressive senators to go around. You know so. It's not like oh a true progressive president would put aoc on the quality. There's only so many bernie's in the senate you know. I mean how many how much better could you do. 'cause you need a bunch of different senators charing different things right. Some of them have interests that overlap. And you know so. Let me give you really really good example of that. I told you ron wyden. And again ron wyden one of the ten most progressive senators dino democratic senators in chairs the finance committee. Well elizabeth warren kinda would like to also be on the finance committee. You could say well. Maybe we'll move her over to the budget committee but bernie sanders is chairing the budget committee. Right so it is. You could take it. I i think if you asked elizabeth warren would you rather be on the finance committee and have the opportunity to shelter through the two percent wealth tax right or would you rather be chairing the Let's say the committee on energy and natural resources. Then she's probably gonna take the former and and that would leave again. You wanna pick the worst one. There are only two that. I think you could really make an issue about well. And we're talking democrats. The worst democrat is pearson cinema in my opinion yum. So if what she got anything yet. She is in the middle on homeland security. All right fine. She is on Way down the list on banking housing and urban affairs and she's way down the list on commerce science and transportation so so what did Mentioned get first troubles. Joe mansion is chairing the committee on energy and natural resources can yeah i agree but that it sounds like we are trying to set up future success by giving joe manchin what he might want the up. And that's how it goes when you don't get enough democratic senators in the senate. We got home carper chairs environment committee right. It's not like mansion chairs the environment committee and that is like i love coal mine right like okay you can be angry about that one honestly can you. What else are we supposed to do. I mean on one hand who who is going to criticize. Democrats for trying to flatter. Joe mentioned a little bit. That's our only chance of getting anything. Past what what is the. What is there some other side. That's like no. You need to punish mansion or something. I don't i don't get what the alternative is. I agree with that. And i would add the other folks on. That committee are all folks who were sharing other committees right so so the committee on energy and natural resources. Joe manchin is the chair but the additional members are ron wyden. Maria cantwell bernie sanders. Kirk hinrich maisy hirono angus king Cortez masto kelly and And hickenlooper So you know you also have some some moderates on there but there's not a great choice like you can't share multiple committees turkey. is slightly to the left of of joe manchin but but that would be a huge slap in joe mansions face right i. It's clear to be. He went to Chuck schumer and said. I'd like to chair the committee on energy and natural resources and they worked it out. Get whatever you want. Buster west virginia gets wants right now. Have i mentioned how good looking you are. Mr mentioned you want one other negga tron. The i would be. I'm a little bit negative ronnie on. I have a man crush on john sheldon whitehouse. And the judiciary is in order. Dick durbin who's two hundred pat lay used to hundred dianne feinstein who's three hundred And then sheldon whitehouse. And then cloche arcunes blumenthal hirono booker padilla and And jon ossoff got cut assigned to them to the committee So you know like the judiciary is a really really important committee and in an ideal world right. I would rearrange that a little bit. But you know i mean you could hear it right. I'm nitpick this is with the hand we were dealt. We are seeing. You know if you're trying to figure out in an objective way and look. I didn't get to do it on the show. Go listen to clean up on all forty five episode number three like i rant about the the guy that joe biden stuck on his commission on reforming the judiciary. I'm not afraid to call it out until you when i think joe biden mis-selling progressives down the river if you were concerned about biden and schumer selling progressives down the river in terms of how they were allocating the senate. This should make you feel good. This allocation is about as progressive as you could possibly do and And i'm very excited about it. Yeah that's that's why. I'm saying within the mathematically this is like trying to arrange the tables at your wedding or something you know. There's there's only so many combinations you can even do according to all these rules and it's not like why isn't bernie sanders at every table in every single position while there's one of them so much you can do and you can only serve onto frontline committees in three total. So yeah so it it it. I'd be open to hearing criticisms as long as people are like actually taking into account what could have been done but You know if you're just whining about it. 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Father certain that the sun is drunk again and that he's going to get beaten than Barricades bolted the front door takes out a gun. the son discovers that that's going on and Beats down the front door. Kicks it down And as he burst through the front door the father shot him four times in the chest killing him. We then learn a as stipulated by the By the question that the sun was not in fact drunk and was not an didn't intend to harm his father or any drug and did not intend to harm father. Yeah that's just know. Yeah we we. Can't i mean that's a that's a. That's a bar exam. kind of sure. Take that issue off the off the table so then the father presents the above facts and asks the judge to instruct the jury on self defense. How should the judge instruct the jury with respect to self defense. So they're really two questions that you need to figure out here. The first is when do judges instruct juries give jury instructions right and then the second is is. Is this an appropriate situation right. So we have give a give. The self defense instruction because expresses the defense's theory of the case. That was your choice a. B. we have give the self defense instruction because the evidence is sufficient to raise the defense and then we have two different deny deny Because the father was not an imminent danger or deny a because the father used excessive force. And you between a and d your deny was was de so first. Let's talk a little bit about what jury instructions are remember that in a trial. The judge is the gatekeeper for the law. Right the jury gets to decide the facts. And so when you have a law that is contingent upon certain facts. A jury instruction tells the jury what they have to find right. They will say okay. If you want to find negligence you must find that. The defendant failed to abide by the standard of care appropriate in x. circumstances and so that lets the jury no okay. We're finding a fact. And how do we then translate that fact into what our verdict needs to be and so here the question is what would would the jury instruction beyond self defense that instruction would be you have the right to use a deadly force against someone if they have their four elements one attack. You an unprovoked way to that that threatens your imminent injury three that you have used an objectively reasonable degree of force in response and number four that you had an objectively reasonable fear of injury or death the c and d. I think. I really got that right. Like i guess you were. Correct that the The the question is you know. Is it an imminent danger. Because he was not in fact drunk guys kicking down your door right that is sufficient to cause an objectively reasonable fear of injuries. That's scoured a see yup when coupled particularly when coupled with the past history of abuse yet this this is somebody who beats that clown audi all the time. It's reasonable to think they're going to do that again. And then was it excessive force. You sort of paused over. This and i agree that like if you're thinking about the deny elements that that the excessive forces probably the the the most one can give any warning he didn't do you know like yeah. You don't have to. There is no inside your house. There is no duty to retreat right. You can use whatever share a house with someone. Yeah well no. That's that that that was the case here but Exactly that's why the question right so both people would have if they were. The victim of the attack would have no duty to retreat. Could mogo quote. Stand your ground in the bar exam when you would look for evidence that the force use of force was unreasonable. You look for something like the father fired. Four times into the chest and then you know the sun turned and ran and the father followed after him and fired three more shots. I it's hard to know. What in america's considered here hear that's how the bar exam would suggest that accessible got ya the longer answer than my guess then the question is just. Does the defense always get to raise. Self-defense eliminating d so is d c m dear both out. Oh damn it's going to be be so between a and b. The question is do you always get to race. That's or do you have to show sufficient evidence. And unfortunately i've thought about that after as again. No maybe that is because it does leave does make sense. It's like well you can't raise it any abstract situation. There has to at least be some level of evidence sufficient. Yeah and think about it. That's right because giving the jury instruction carries with it certain connotations right like we would even in civil cases we. We would argue about this all the time in terms of jury instructions of like. Oh you say you may find that. The plaintiff had contributory negligence. Because x right. Well once you say that then they get to debate over it right. If you don't say that there will be contributory negligence right then. The jury is unlikely to come up with that on their own. Yep i could have gotten this one. Another challenging one i I looked at the back. Like the downside. But i didn't look at the other side of it like the there. Yeah so be okay. I get it all right. So how we tell in non non porked fair fair questions a challenging question. If i mean it feels like. I could possibly get most of these if i go do. Just the right amount of reasoning. Just the right. You know it kind of depends on. How if all of them are this hard. This feels like a challenging question to me. Honestly like not knowing the law but You know. I don't seems like i could have gotten there. We'll see i. There's no way you can know whether or not a test is parked by laying at one question. The last last has was parked because all ten questions were impossible. There were all the hardest kind of there. Were no freebies and so i went. I feel like i went with the freebie answer again here because in the past. That's done me okay like you know. Oh well you get to raise it because it's your theory of the case now reasoning and. That hasn't gotten me an answer a very long time. So maybe i need to stop doing that. But again we're changing tests so it's hard to know but anyway all right i didn't get it. Let's find out who this week's big winner is though all right thomas. Well a bit of a timeline. Possibly bitter sweet tea three b. e. winner but the first one i saw get it right on twitter was nick jordan. That is act in jordan. Seventy nine who writes answer be there has to be some evidence to support self defense claims answer a would mean the judge always gives the instruction even if you beat a cop to death with an american flag while storming the capitol. Yeah so. Congratulations on being first-past-the-post nick. Everyone give nickel follow. 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Business Smarts Topped With Mustard

The Ten News

13:23 min | 3 weeks ago

Business Smarts Topped With Mustard

"And nine seven six. Four three from workers banding together to kids. Earning a buck in the next ten minutes. We'll get the lowdown on what's up with big business. I'm bethany van delft and this is the ten news. Something interesting happened at amazon recently. And it's not that. They found a way to teleport packages to your door. Man at the end of march employees One of the company's warehouses in birmingham alabama decided to vote on whether or not they would form a union. What does that mean. Unions are organizations of workers dedicated to protecting workers rights and making sure they have things like safe working conditions equality better pay and benefits like healthcare. This was the biggest. Push to unionize by amazon workers in the united states yet with president joe biden even showing his support for the movement but the final vote count came in last week and the move towards unionizing was rejected. Bummer labor organizers. Aren't giving up though. They're asking the national labor relations board to investigate the results and the nlrb has already accused amazon the second largest private employer in the us of sharing misinformation with workers about. It's also since the vote. There's been a new wave of interest about unions among amazon workers. Yes and congress is currently working to pass legislation that could really strengthen these groups in the future. It's never too early to start dreaming big. That's a correspondent. Pamela karlan discovered when she talked with fourteen year old mason right about how he turned hot dogs and buns into serious bank mason. You're probably the youngest entrepreneur in the state of georgia. Tell me about mason. super dogs. dogs is a very important thing to my heart. You can get quality hotdogs in its gourmet all worth. All of our topics are gourmet and handmade. Do you said that the restaurant idea actually started rate as were coming out of foreign teen. How did that happen. I got the idea of mesa super dogs from new york city because when me and my sister when our city in time score you so hot that carson superheroes and there was a lot of people in new york waiting for one cart at a time i was okay. This seems like a good business plan. And i took all the money i had left from that troop of bought myself the red card then as i was doing like birthday. Parties miss the specially vans. It was going really well but the pace that was going at. I wanted to do more hotdogs on. Wanted to be open more so my grandfather matched me for the money for new york style car for my birthday. I was really a great way grateful for that. Once covid happened instead of being like a food truck had to pivot and we got went. A restaurant funny story. I thought we were going to go. Get some chick-fil-a in it milkshake in spicy chicken sandwich. Instead of getting chick-fil-a that day on my birthday. I got a restaurant in. That was awesome. How do you balance running your own business with going to school. The way i figured it out is scheduling in time management. So wake up at six. Get there by eleven. finish up the lessons. Since i'm home schooled in then be done by twelve with a lunch rush comes in. That's smart thank you. So what would you tell other kids who want to do something like you or who are thinking about starting their own business but maybe a little scared to do it. Our just go for it. Just do it even if people telling you this might not work. Just do it. It doesn't matter what age you are. What career path you you wanna go with. Just do it. Would you say you love what you do. I do love what i do. I never worked a day in my life. Because i do. What else awesome she. We'd be looking for mason super dogs all over the country soon most definitely and in the airports trying to have a mason super dog all over the place in beating chick-fil-a steady going there come to mason super dogs located at thirty two seventy five snapping road mason. Thank you so much for talking to us today on the ten no problem. Thank you for having me. People all over the world love hotdogs and as correspondent ryan nurse reports. Some people maybe be loved them a little too much. Imagine that you're eating a hotdog chomping right through the soft gun and into the warm meet casing a burst of flavor the mixes savory beef sweet catch up and tart mustered Only imagine that this isn't just lunch. This training like training for a sport. There are actually hundreds of people who trained like this. They're known as competitive eaters. Or if you're an insider girja tasers. I know because. I used to work as an announcer for major league eating the world governing body of all stomach centric sport. That's incredible for five years. I traveled around the country announcing eating contests for all types of foods complete with records. That would blow your mind. There's the cupcake record. Seventy two cupcakes in eight minutes and chicken wings. Two hundred eighty one in eight minutes and even ice cream sixteen pounds in just six minutes. Oh talk about brain freeze animal but the super bowl of competitive eating the stanley cup of swallowing though world cup of consumption is the nathan's famous fourth of july hotdog eating contest. It's been held annually in coney island new york since nineteen sixteen and up until the early nineteen ninety s. regular guys with big old bellies. Would pretty much always win. But in one thousand nine hundred six dot change a scrawny little japanese eater named kajima crushed three hundred and sixty pound american men named ed the animal karachi nakajima took the two thousand dollar first prize by eating just over twenty three hot dogs and buns or hdb's as they say in twelve minutes. Neither of the girgis is used condiments and they both dunk the buns in water to increase their eating speed. It was the dawn of the japanese era of competitive eating in two thousand one. Another skinny japanese eater named to carroo the soon nami. Kobayashi doubled the record eating a phenomenal fifty. Hdb's in twelve minutes. Kobayashi held the title for six straight years. But in two thousand seven a fresh-faced california kid named joey jaws chestnut used his formidable draw strength and stomach capacity to knock down sixty six hot dogs in the last twelve years since chestnut has lost only once and he just keeps eating more and more like a bottomless pit. Last year. joey. Jaws eight an astonishing seventy five dogs in just ten minutes and a petite american woman named mickey pseudo one for the seventh year in a row breaking the women's record with forty eight and a half. Hdb's though the nicknames are funny there's sonya the black widow thomas and retired. The locus fever calling competitive. Eating sport no longer seems like a joke. The nathan's famous fourth of july contest has a total of forty thousand dollars in cash prizes and over a year long season. There's an estimated half million dollars in prizes up for grab on the pro circuit but the training is actually quite rigorous. Trust me so dear listeners. Please don't try this at home but just remember the next time you enjoy a delicious hot dog that in the world of competitive eating this would be just like a tough workout at the gym. Lucky you it's what. Watch the bag trivia undeterred. Now that we've talked a ton about making money who is the world's youngest self made billionaire. Is it a opted. Technology with austin brussel be inventor reed richards or see fashion designer. Share horowitz. did you guess it. The answer is a austin russell. So what is optics technology. And how exactly did it make austin so rich okay. Very simply optics is a branch of physics dedicated to the study of light and the way it interacts with instruments. That gather information. Okay we optics tech every day your rier list mouse digital camera or blu. Ray all optics. So how does austin come into the picture as a kid. He happened to understand optics really really really well. And at seventeen he founded a laser sensor called. Lumina are the laser sensors. Luminaires makes now are being used to develop self driving cars. Which are worth a whole. Lot of moolah austin stake in his company is valued at about two point. Four billion dollars. That's a lot of money. Yeah times up but before we go. Here's a quick note for the grownups. 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Our production director is jeremiah. Till and the ten news is executive produced by donald albright and show creator. Tracy leads kaplan. Do you want to be part of the show. Have a grownup help record a question. A joke or a fun bath. You wanna share an email it to us at hello at the ten news dot com and show your love for the ten news by going to your favorite podcast app and submitting a rating and review and helps others find the show so they can drain the fund to. I'm bethany van delft and thanks for listening to the ten new car driving a mason super dogs.

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How Amazon Defeated The Union

The Indicator from Planet Money

09:30 min | 3 weeks ago

How Amazon Defeated The Union

"N. p. r. seven thirty eight workers in favor one thousand seven hundred ninety eight against that was the tally. After a union vote of workers at an amazon fulfillment center in bessemer alabama. It is a huge win for the company. And it's a huge loss for the union behind the campaign and for unions and general eligible workers voted against a union by margin of more than two to one now back in november at least thirty percent of eligible workers had to sign cards saying they wanted to vote as the campaign went on workers who are open to a vote on unionizing somehow decided to go the other way william stokes and his wife love a net both worked at the warehouse and they say sure amazon has problems but a union is not the answer. You know the union can't promise you twenty five hundred dollars an hour. If they're doing that that's why they can't make an. They can't make amazon. Do anything there are problems within amazon. But those problems problems can be fixed and they're not as bad as the media disgruntled employees of Say it. I'm david gura in for stacy vanik smith and i'm sally herships. This is the indicator from planet money and today show the playbook that beat back the union from one of the guys who wrote it not for amazon specifically but from more than a hundred other companies that have been in the same position. This message comes from. Npr sponsor agian. Agian is the payments platform for today tomorrow and whatever comes next with adnan single solution. It's simple to accept all kinds of payments an app online in store touch free and beyond and it seamlessly adapts with your business so keep your customers happy and your business growing with adnan business not boundaries visit a. d. y. e. n. dot com slash. Npr this message comes from npr sponsor. Microsoft teams microsoft teams helping priority bicycles. Reinvent the way they work when the pandemic hit the bike shop had to close their new york city showroom. They found a way to reopen by doing virtual visits on teams. Now the team can meet with two or three times the number of customers and they could before and people from all over. The world can visit their showroom. Learn more about their story and others at microsoft dot slash teams. So you're the guy that company would call When they didn't want out of the union yes. John is a labor and employment lawyer who has spent a lot of his career fielding phone calls from companies worried about organized. Labor sometimes is different. It could be more of a panic phone call in the sense that they've learned that their employs or talking about unionization. John specialty is union avoidance. He worked at a big law firm on dozens of cases like this and when he'd get the call he had a powerpoint presentation ready to go. He'd give it to managers at companies in towns and cities across the country. So this particular. Playbook isn't so much a book also. I checked amazon. He has written a book for sale on amazon. It's really a powerpoint as what you're saying it's a slide deck fair point and the first thing companies should do john says before there's even a campaign is to work on prevention to pay more or generally improve conditions. Which amazon did that whole fifteen dollars. An hour wage that is more than double the federal minimum wage. But if that doesn't work and there is a campaign to unionized. The first step and john's playbook in his powerpoint is to gather intelligence and the first thing he would do when he was working on. Union avoidance was to find the night manager. People just seem to open up more at night for whatever reason and a lot of times the night manager will have a wealth of information about. What's going on in the workforce. What are they happy about. Were upset about and they also have some very specific information about unionization. Then a company can use that information to tailor. Its message to workers who maybe are on the fence and then we're going to put together a series of doubts lectures videos all the above for the workforce a call that the the second part of the playbook and it's something that amazon did do companies workers are a captive audience and management is free to talk about a lot of stuff that might make workers worried maybe strikes or picketing or how much they'd have to pay dues or fines and third a company can hire other people to make its case. John says managers want to conduct an aggressive pro company campaign and that often involves a consultant consultant will approach workers basically whipped votes. Like they do in congress. He's going to try to figure out how things are going to go when that vote takes place and it's not unheard of for this consultant to go to a worker's house to talk to their partner their kids media their husband or wife about everything that's at stake. Amazon did does not seem that. Different than what. A lot of companies do union advocates say. Yeah but this we're talking about. They alleged there were some suspicious. Innovations on the old playbook for example one long standing goal of union avoidance is to put the union on defense to make arguments. If it's making headway on one point or if it's gaining traction in one location target that like the parking lot it can a little while to leave that amazon facility in bessemer cars have to wait at the red light for a while. So union organizers would make their case to the drivers at the light until the union says amazon made a few calls amazon reportedly got the timer on a stop. Light change so it would turn green faster. And that gives you an organizers. Less time to actually walk up and talk to you and approach workers. Then there's the mailbox this issue about the mailbox of getting a lot of play and we can maybe talk about that if you like Let's talk a bit about it. The mailbox at the center of this installed by the postal service on site amazon really wanted this vote to be held in person. But because of where we're at because of the pandemic they couldn't do that so the company asked the national labor relations. Board to put a dropbox at its fulfillment center. The nlrb's said no the vote by mail so amazon reportedly asked the us postal service to install a mailbox on site where it would be pretty public. Who went up and use it where they would put their votes in. The union says the mailbox was affleck's it was a way of intimidating workers. Maybe if you were voting you were worried. Your vote wouldn't be secret and anyway big picture. It showed amazon could get what it wanted. He could ask the usps for its own private mailbox box. We asked amazon about the unions. Claims about the stop light and the mailbox and in a statement amazon said quote this mailbox which only the us had access to was a simple secure and completely optional. Way to make it easy for employees to vote no more and no less the stoplight. Change spokesperson told us is something amazon does at many of its facilities to improve efficiency. Part of the union avoidance. Playbook is knowing what you're allowed to do by law and companies have gotten good at going right up to the limit of that and sometimes beyond it. Their retail wholesale and department store union. The says amazon went too far and that complaints signals. This is the beginning of a longer fight. And when there's another campaign companies are going to dust off that playbook again before i let john go. I wanted to ask him how he felt about. Being one of the guys corporations turned to fight unions because for people who are pro union. That makes him one of the bad guys. I just wonder sort of how you look back on your career doing this. Do you think that workers are better off because of the work that you did to stop unionization these companies. Yeah i would say yes And i also like to point out something though. I would say only half of what i did was doing that kind of work. Meaning quote unquote stopping unionization. John points out that he also worked with management and he worked with unions on how they can improve the way they communicate. It wasn't all just about avoiding unions. Amazon is happy with how things turned out at that facility in alabama and so for the time being its playbook which probably includes. A lot of. What's john's playbook is going to go back up on the shelf until next time. This episode was produced by jamila huxtable. It was fact checked by sam size. Alex goldmark at is it special. 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How Amazon Won the Preliminary Union Vote in Alabama

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09:43 min | 3 weeks ago

How Amazon Won the Preliminary Union Vote in Alabama

"Brought to you by turbo tax tips. If you've ever wondered about the facts fiction and best practices when it comes to taxes turbo tax. Tips can help with expert tips and five minutes or less. It's quick and easy to learn how to maximize your tax refund. Just search turbo tax tips. Where ever you listen to podcasts. You can't escape. The gravitational pull of jeff bezos. How amazon won the preliminary union vote in alabama by abby vassilis after months of campaigning weeks of voting and hours of counting thousands of green ballots by hand. The national labor relations board or in l. are be delivered amazon. An apparent win on friday afternoon against the most significant labor union drive. The retail giant has faced in. Its twenty six year history and the bessemer alabama warehouse one thousand seven hundred ninety eight employees voted to oppose unionization through the retail wholesale and department store union or are wd issue and just seven hundred. Thirty eight voted in favor of it. Roughly five hundred contested ballots. Were not counted but they would not have changed the outcome. The battle isn't over. The are w d s. She has already announced. It is submitting objections to amazon's conduct to the nlrb. Alleging that amazon interfered with the right of its bessemer. Bama employees vote in a free and fair election the regional. Nlrb will investigate the claims decide whether they require a hearing. Neither party could then still file an appeal with the national. Nlrb office spurring protracted battle that might not produce a definitive outcome for months. But whatever the ultimate result the large number of workers who voted against unionizing in the initial count signifies the sheer power and resources that amazon can leverage to win labor paddles and the relatively low risk large companies face in pushing the boundaries in these fights while more than three thousand workers signed cards indicating support for the are wd su representing them. Last fall amazon spent months unleashing a slew of controversial tactics that some labor activists argue were designed to suppress union support before the seven week voting period began an unknown number of those three thousand plus employees who indicated initial support have since left the company the downward trend and support for the union between the petitioning stage and the actual vote. Count is common. In union fights against powerful companies says mark guest pierce visiting professor and executive director of the workers rights institute at georgetown university law center and former chair of the national labor relations board under the obama administration oftentimes unions start out with a majority of support he says and then when the employer starts working over the employees you have a loss of support either through coercion or through fear or other means whether amazon did coerce. Employees is for the nfl rb to decide but the company has enormous power at its disposal to fight against unionization. It is one of the world's largest publicly traded companies was founded by the world's richest man. Jeff bezos and boasts a one point seven trillion dollar market cap and the run up to the unionisation voting period. That began in february amazon mandated. Employees attend anti union meetings created a website warning workers about perceived pitfalls of unionizing including the expense of dues that workers and right to work states like alabama are not obligated to pay hung flyers discouraged workers from unionizing around the plant including in the bathroom stalls and according to e mails obtained by the labor movement media group. More perfect union pressured the united states. Postal service which counts amazon s. One of its last customers to install a ballot dropbox outside the plant despite an nl rb ruling that such a setup might imply problematic amount of employer involvement election proceedings in a statement to the washington post. An amazon spokesperson said the mailbox was intended to make it easy for employees to vote and only the us ps at access to it. The argue says some of these tactics violate the national labor relations. Act or in l. r. a. which forbids employers from restraining or coercing employees from engaging in union activity amazon has left no stone unturned. In its efforts to gaslight its own employees we won't let amazon's lies deception and illegal activities go unchallenged. Which is why we are formally. Filing charges against all of the egregious and blatantly illegal actions taken by amazon during the union. Vote are wd issue. President stuart applebaum said in a press release on friday but amazon says it acted within the law and that the vote represents its employees wishes. It's easy to predict. The union will say that amazon won this election because we intimidated employees. But that's not true. The company wrote in a blog. Post on april ninth. Our employees heard far more anti amazon messages. From the union policymakers and media outlets the heard from us the criticism of amazon surrounding the union. Vote comes after a raft of bad public relations for the company including a february settlement with the ftc overcharges it withheld tips from contracted delivery drivers a march change to its app store logo after cellphone users complained it resembled adolf hitler's infamous mustache and april apology. For asserting its employees. Don't pee in bottles when many of its drivers have to do so yet. Amazon maintains a tight grip not just on its employees but on major facets of american life for some americans boycotting amazon and its subsidiaries might mean losing their grocery store whole foods losing their pharmacy pill pack losing access to one of the thousands of websites that use amazon web services to store their data like netflix and of course losing access to millions of products that can arrive at your doorstep via amazon prime and two days or less. You can't escape. The gravitational pull of jeff bezos amazon says. America's read a marketing professor at the wharton school of business who studies how social influence impacts consumer behaviour. We already have basically everything. While workers fighting to unionize and bessemer drew support from prominent national figures like president. Joe biden and vermont senator bernie sanders. Many employees worried organizing a union. Do more harm than god. Amazon already pays its warehouse employees at least fifteen dollars an hour plus full health care vision and dental insurance and fifty percent 401k matches the rate is more than twice the federal minimum wage and it can be especially attractive in alabama the fifth poorest state in the country. The things that amazon already offers are things that most unions have to fight for paid time off vacation. Medical dental vision says jc thompson a process assistant at the who voted against unionizing. We already have basically everything. In my opinion but other bessemer employees felt the work which entails ten hour shifts mandatory overtime and efficiency surveillance warranted more money and power over their working conditions. We work for the richest man in the world and he doesn't wanna pay employees what they deserve. We only get two breaks out of ten eleven hours. Says daryl richardson a bessemer warehouse employees who approached the are wd s. You about unionizing last summer. It's just unfair. The fight richardson initiated will continue but even as the are wd challenges the outcome of the bessemer vote in the absence of stronger enforcement mechanisms for alleged labor law violations it will remain difficult for labor groups to take on companies as large as amazon and win the nfl. Nlrb does not have the authority to levy traditional fines against a company that commits unfair labor practices. The board can order companies to remedy the violation. Such as by reinstating wrongly terminated employees or by posting notices of workers rights under the nfl ra but most large employers can consider the relatively minor punishments. A cost of doing business says pierce democrats in congress are trying to strengthen labor laws the protecting the right to organize or pro act which recently passed. The democratic led house would establish monetary penalties for companies violating labor laws ban employees interference such as mandatory company-sponsored meetings against unionizing during union elections. Meanwhile amazon continues to grow and twenty twenty while millions of americans were losing their jobs to the pandemic induced equity recession the retail giant announced in february that increased its net sales this year by thirty eight percent its net income nearly doubled to increasing from point six billion dollars in two thousand nineteen to twenty one point three billion dollars. The ongoing labor fight in bessemer is unlikely to move the needle in consumer habits in two thousand twenty one either says adam gallinsky a professor of leadership and ethics at the columbia business school. The short term cost for amazon coming across as a jerk during the lead-up vote count. I think it's going to have very little consequence. He says if people in your community think that amazon is problematic but there's nothing close to the cost convenience ratio that amazon offers. I don't think those concerns are going to override it.

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Hows Canada Getting Away with This TYRANNY? | Guest: Ezra Levant | 4/12/21

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Hows Canada Getting Away with This TYRANNY? | Guest: Ezra Levant | 4/12/21

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I want you to understand. We have just everything that they've ever said about. Oh it's a conspiracy theory on the great reset. You can throw that in the garbage now because the by their own fruits by their own actions you will know them. Something happened this weekend. That is absolutely unprecedented. I have done this job. For forty f- i don't even know how many years almost fifty years and i've never seen anything like this leaders of over one hundred major corporations got together and spoke via zoom on saturday about how they could combat election integrity laws similar to the one that was proposed in georgia multiple reports wall street journal and others directly quote. People that were on the phone call. They talked about potential ways to show how they opposed the legislation including by halting donations to politicians fine. Who support the bills and even delaying investments in states. that's blackmail that pass restrictive measures. Now this is according to people were on the call now. I want you to understand what they are calling. Restrictive measures are actually just going back to the way it was before covid nineteen remember. We had this unprecedented election and we had to change these laws. in fact they couldn't even go through the legislative branch. They just had to be done many times by executive order and the state's changed their laws to make it easier for people to vote because of covid had done was unprecedented. One time only so now these laws that are saying okay. We're not doing that anymore now. It's being called. Restrictive states are doing is bringing it back to where it was pre co vid. They are protecting what sources cronies made vulnerable. That's it now who is there delta airlines. We don't have a full list delta airlines city group viacom. Cbs ups the owner by the way. Ups has deepen this. If you're using ups use the federal government's postal service over ups. And and for god sakes frederick express. They may be involved as well. But i know. Ups is actually deeply involved in the great reset. The owner of the atlanta falcons was there. He also co-founded home depot. The chairwoman of starbucks linked in levi strauss a boston consulting group. The ceo of amc entertainment. Jeffrey sonnen fell. He is a yale school of management professor. Who helped organize the meeting. He said to the washington post that corporate leaders on the call felt very strongly that these voting restrictions are based on a flawed press and are dangerous. What is the flawed premise. That this was a new way to vote in america for covid. The discussion scheduled to last an hour went ten minutes longer. It was led at times. By kenneth chenault the former chief executive of american express notice we have financial industry. Well represented here. Also kenneth frazier the chief executive of merck stupid merck make They out with a with a vaccine summer cavan. Not that's approved here in the united states. I don't know if they've okay. Honestly i don't know i'm not sure. They told the executives on the call that it was important to keep fighting what they viewed as discriminatory laws on voting chenault and frazier coordinated a letter signed last month by seventy two black business executives that made the same point the letter that i drew attention to the voting bills in executive suites all across the country. The calls goal listen to this was to unify companies that had been issuing their own statements and signing onto drafted statements from different organizations after the action in georgia. This according to sonnenfeld can i ask. Is anyone on the right. Meeting with corporations is anybody on the right actually holding zoom call meetings and saying. Hey look we've got to start. Working together. they have infiltrated our boardroom. Which was a goal of the tides foundation back in the one thousand nine hundred eighty s. They have into infiltrated our board rooms. And now these corporations think they rule over us. They think it's their responsibility. Not the elected officials but their responsibility by the way some of them because they're so with the people. Some of them made the phone call from augusta georgia where they were attending the masters golf tournament. Which was so woke of them. I think to be able to go to georgia where they are protesting but they wanted to see the masters Right okay one. Georgia-based executive talked about how the final version of georgia's legislation which brian campus said actually expands voting access claim that the left challenges they say was much worse than expected and it should serve as a warning to other chief executives as more states consider adopting their own voting bills. Now why is this. Should this be a warning to other chief executive officer's why is that a warning to ceos. Wouldn't it be a warning to the american people are we just too dom and so we aren't going to support some of these things and so the corporations they're going to act as a what a secondary government one that i know i didn't elect the ceo of merck. Did you stu. I don't remember the ballot where i voted for the ceo of american express den. I as i'm not a shareholder. So i know i'm i'm not a shareholder and they are. They have one voice. This isn't it's amazing that the people that are organizing this and are fine with it are the ones that say that corporations have no voice the it's the republicans it's the libertarians. Say corporations can do what they want to do but the ones that are saying corporations are evil. They keep people in poverty. They're the ones that are stepping to the plate and backing all of this. Why two reasons one the great reset to they know they'll be eaten by those people if the great reset doesn't work if the great reset isn't the answer then maybe marxism is the think and if that happens they're done corporations citibank coca cola. Delta microsoft all have criticized georgia's new electricity a election integrity bill major league baseball good moved. It's all star game from atlanta denver. Like denver's any better and this all came from the pressure from the white house. Remember the white house is saying corporations should do this not the people we have gone not leave gone from blm which is another story. I can't wait to talk to you about. We've gone from lamb a supposed grass roots organization. We've gone from the left saying that the the tea party wasn't legitimate. Because it was astroturf it was funded by big money. We've gone from that to now. Corporations openly meeting and coordinating efforts to change laws. This is fascism guys. Fascism is when government and corporations work hand in hand. That is fascism while final steps. Were agreed on. The meeting represented an aggressive dialing up corporate. America's stand against controversial voting measures. Nationwide have to tell you. they're not controversial. It's just going to the way they were before covid. It's a sign that their opposition to the laws didn't end with the fight against the georgia legislation. Many of the corporate leaders who joined the call seem to view the voting restrictions as attacks on democracy saturday's call between company executives. This quote shows. They are not intimidated. By the flack. And they're not going to kowtow. That's according to jeffrey sonnenfeld. He's the yield management professor. One of the calls organizers they are not afraid of the flack so in other words they don't care what the people who buy their products. Do or say mike ward co founder of civics alliance a nonpartisan group of businesses focused on voter engagement. Said he felt. There was a broad consensus at the end of the call. The company leaders plan to continue working against any voting bills. They think are restrictive to lean into this. Not lean away from this. It's going to get worse. And this is the official. Start the public a outing of what you're going to live under with the great reset. Its corporations that are going to make the rules. And they're they're they're lie. About stakeholder capitalism is this the the capitalist the ones that are going to be running the company's ceo of these giant companies not the capitalist like muir you the small business person but the people at merck the people at citi group The the people at coca-cola they'll set to the rules and they'll crush anybody underneath them. And they'll work with the government or i should say with the left and those in power from the left They will work with them. And your voice. Well you have a share in this to your a stakeholder so your stake. Your voice is at the table as well not on this private phone call. No no no not in any of these groups. That are planning all of this stuff. No no no he. You voted for somebody in washington. Well i don't know the last time. I felt comfortable with my representation in washington. It's been a long time. This law by the way in georgia expands early voting opportunities for most counties and expands voter. Id requirements to absence. He absentee ballots. And that's what they're saying they can't have because apparently minorities are just too poor. They're just it's too tough for them to get any kind of id. It's so horrible. Can we talk about vaccine passports for a second. Isn't that discriminatory. How is it that somehow or another minorities cannot only get the passport. But we'll be able to get the vaccine and then the passport because they'll need that before they go anywhere right. Why is it. Voting is the only thing that you don't need a license or identification to do why i rent a car. I need identification. I opened up a checking account at citigroup. They require identification. They're now pushing for vaccine identification and vaccine passports. The lie does not hold up if anyone has critical thinking whatsoever. Boy i was. I was up in the northeast this last week and home. It's worse than you think. I mean it's like going to california. I was up in connecticut right next to new york and it is worse than you think it is. If you're thinking about selling your home up in connecticut the prices have fallen by ninety thousand dollars in a in a neighborhood that had like two hundred and fifty thousand dollar houses. It is crazy. What's going on up there. I've been through a lot of moves In my life and i've had good real estate agents. 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Were lawmakers have moved since november to ban private money from being donated to election administrators. Now listen to this. He's taking a latching officials and giving them millions of dollars. The records obtained in wisconsin. Pennsylvania and michigan show the zuckerberg monies were used to buy off. Government officials dictating the manner in which the election would be conducted and using government to target democratic strongholds. To turn out the vote for joe biden. You want your corporations doing all of this. Are you fine with all of this. It gets much worse than this. We will continue here in a second and some real answers for you today but america. It is time we wake up. It is time to wake up. This is the glenn beck program. I haven't even started on the unions yet Let me tell you about timeshare termination team. Lot of companies out there. That can you know say that they get you out of time. 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Glenn the promo code is glenn to save ten bucks off your subscription to blaze. Tv this is the glenn beck program. I can't thank you enough for your support of the program. Your support of me and my family over the last week. Monday morning i was sitting in this chair. And still we were. What two minutes away from broadcast. Maybe yeah and my wife came in to the studio at the door. And she said i and then she just collapsed on the floor crying and we had a horrible tragedy happened in our family. And i wanna go into it. Because i learned an awful lot That i think. I need to share with you And i'll do that coming up at the top of the hour but but thank you so much we have. Ak shin scheduled for next week. I don't think we're going on vacation now i just can't leave a for another week and And nobody in the family really feels like you know going to a beach or anyplace else so Thank you so much for listening and being there for us in our time. If need i wanna talk to a little bit about the corporations. We just covered if you missed it. Go back and listen to the podcast. There was an unprecedented meeting of corporations over the weekend. I this is the great reset here. It's here and if you deny it you're a fool you you really are going to be sorry now. We're getting pressure From the corporations and they say they don't care about pressure we give them the. I told you a couple of weeks ago that i was going to boycott coca cola. Well i have found that damn near impossible. Because everywhere i go. It's either just drink water or or a coke product and they control the water and everything else and so What i've decided is. I think it's impossible because these corporations are so massive that boycotting them is is mean is a herculean effort. And maybe somebody you can call me and talk me into the herculean effort. I just don't know even how to do it But i've decided that i've got to pick a couple of things that these corporations do for instance i'm never going to buy. What is their water. It's not aquafina it's the crappy water for atlanta on it right. Yeah dasani just santi. The santi not designing locate dasani and coca cola Never going to buy those never. Will i buy those. If i'm put in a situation to where they have everything else's coke product. I'll find another coke product. That i have to eat dinner or whatever But i'll stay away from coke products if i'm buying him at grocery store all coke products but i think we have to. We must begin to push back on these corporations because they don't think you will and they are taking far too much power now. They are going to tell us what our states should and should not do if our states which are run by republicans. They decided that they are going to do voting laws and say we're bringing it back to the way it was prior to in and we're also going to require some identification. They're going to boycott. They're going to hold back money from states. They are going to run campaigns. And they're going to coordinate. That's what happened this weekend. They are going to gut us cities and states. that are at allred. They're going to gut them. Why are we still supporting them now. Another thing when the gutting is being done we know that the small business guy has been gutted already but for those who made it you now have another foe. You have the government regulations. You have the corporations working with the government to make regulations that will benefit them. Not you and now you have the labor union. You are going to be cornered. It's a it's they're holding you with three points. I mean everybody knows you cannot win. A chess game If you have two or more pieces to triangulate people. Well they've got triangulated. Does anybody think that elon. Musk is the kind of guy that cares what anyone thinks about him. That he cares what anybody says about his tweets. Well apparently once the labor union god's get their feathers ruffled he does have to care. He fired an employee back. This twenty eighteen. I think he fired. Employee named richard ortiz labor activist. Who was part of an organizing campaign called fair future at tesla. So at the time elon. Musk said there's nothing. Stopping tesla team at our car. Plant from voting union. They could do so tomorrow if they wanted. But why pay union dues and give up stock options for nothing. Our safety record is two times better than when the plant was a w. a. u. a. w. and everyone already gets health care so that was elon musk's opinion and doesn't have a right to say that. Hey our safety record is two times you get healthcare. I give stock options. I mean why would you unionize. Well apparently that's a grave sin. It violates the eleventh commandment thou shalt join a union no matter what as for the sin the national labor relations board passed its judgment a couple of weeks ago saying that tesla must rehire richard ortiz and compensate him for all of the lost income resulting from his firing. They also ordered a tesla and mosque to delete the offensive Delete the offensive. Tweet saying that. It unlawfully threatened tesla employees. Who yeah that sounded very threatening. Didn't it so he deleted it now. If if he is deleting that must be a pretty powerful organization it is. We know this. Do you remember the story. Ben dominant publisher of the The federalist he he defended mosque. And had you know over the top ridiculously compared the ruling against elon. musk And it was a joke and he was forced to delete it about unionizing. His own employees were not threatening to unionize. His joke was in reference to a situation at vox media at the time but the nlrb said that he was guilty of unfair labor practices and subpoenaed years worth of communications among federal staff members. Some staff members were also subpoenaed to testify in new york and it was a tweet. That was a joke. It's the federalist no one working at the federalist joining a union. But nobody seems to be bothered by this remember. It was this government institution that is now like they like they need. An enforcer like the The unions need an enforcer. They got the enforcers fat tonio via about a door. Now they have a government enforcer and the bullies at the nlrb. They remember they were the ones. Ten years ago stopped boeing from building a new plant in south south carolina or tried to stop it south carolina's a right to work. State washington state heavily unionized and the nlrb twisted the law to benefit all of the union's they oversee the elections by employees at the companies to determine whether they want union representation but they have all kinds of justifications when it doesn't come out their way one case twenty-six the us district court of appeals in dc slammed the nfl rb for a holding the results of very tight election win for the union side despite the pro union employees threatening physical violence against any co workers. If they didn't vote to unionize so he ll on. Musk is a monster because he says hey. I'm i've got free health care where two times the safe safety record of when it was a union and you get stock options. That's a monster. But people who were threatening violence against co workers if they didn't vote to unionize now it's nah nothing to worry about that. This is all about control and it is gonna come at you in a myriad of ways. It's coming to you now. Through corporations through the media through the government through unions and through education and school. This is what fascism looks like when you have all of those groups colluding with one another and as they did this weekend. Hundred major corporations having a zoom call to talk about government policies. That don't affect their business. They just believe that those are the right policies to pursue for the people who are living in states where they have republican representation. I mean those people. I mean just trapped there just trapped. What about all the people that i met this weekend up in in new york and connecticut that are just trapped in those nightmares just trapped. You don't hear the corporations coming out against them. You don't see the corporation saying you know when New york decides in their in their budget to add two point one billion dollars just for the refugees or the refugees. Or where did that word come from the people that are crossing our southern border and are being shipped up into new york. They've added two point one billion dollars to build schools for them. That's your priority. You can't get rid of a guy who killed so many people in the nursing homes in new york while he was on a book tour and that's your priority who's representing the people in new york. That don't feel that way. This country was never my way or the highway was never it was never supposed to be. It may have been in racist days and racist communities it may have been with flawed screwed up people. But that's not what we were striving for this is now what we're striving for my way or the highway more in a second goodness so i was on the plane and i look at my son. He's wearing my recons. And i'm like we're yours. I game to you for christmas. I don't know loss mine. So i've been looking for my now for the last week in. You're wearing them kids. 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We're really screwed up and we're not prioritizing the things that matter anymore. Did you hear what happened up in canada and our three. We're going to talk about this. Do you see what happened in canada. Yeah the they're still going. They want to make an example out of the church in the worst possible way right. No one in the church has had covid. No in the town has had covid but the canadian government has this thing against this church because they wouldn't limit the number of people. But there's there's there's nobody in the town is headed. Nobody in the church is added And so they they took the pastor and put him in. Jail actually was hard core prison for what two months something like that. Now they just coordin- off the entire church. They just came in without any notice and put up barricades around the church. Said you're not allowed to go in it anymore. So all of them had to go home and when the when the church members said no. We're going in any way. A swat team was called. 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Stu said to me you're ready for the show. I hadn't even had time to really discuss it with him. And i said yeah i got it all mapped up. Just follow me. And that's when my wife came to the door of the studio here at her house. And said i had the phone up and Then she collapsed on the floor in tears and i ran out of the studio and grabbed her and held her up and said well. What's what's wrong honey. And she was holding. The phone tried to tell me again and collapsed again and she handed me the phone and it was my mother. My mother-in-law and i couldn't get very much out of her either. Just knew that tania's brother had passed to say this was a shock is an understatement vince. I always looked at him kind of as an older brother Even though he's younger than me. I looked at him as an older brother because he helped me learn the ropes of being in an italian family. You know i'm from german descent and that screwed up six ways to sunday but Being in an italian family there's some ground rules some things you really need to know you know like your first easter or christmas. Slowdown jack slowdown. There's a lot more food coming and family this family. I'm i married into. I think the greatest family. I've ever met the colonia family and i didn't realize i know what a change it's made on my life but i didn't realize how great this family even was until this last week my wife is she's got servant's spirit and she just serve. She shows her love by taking care of people and doing things and never never says oh. It's too much. I have to tell her all the time. Honey don't take this on last night. She was she's still up in connecticut. She called me last night about the dog food and she was like the dog food. And you gotta get more dog food. And i like honey honey. I got it relax. Even though i probably don't actually have it but my brother in law had four children. He had wrestled with crohn's disease for a long time. My sister has crohn's and it it can be awful. It can be awful but you never really know it. He was always the kind of guy that was always like How you doing good how you doing good how you doing when he said that meant horrible. I should be a hospital but he was always the guy who lit up the room. He was always the guy helping others. He would never stop because he was always helping others. I didn't realize how much of a servant's spirit he had until the wake on friday. I don't know how long that line was. But it was a constant moving line constant moving line for four hours. I think the line was not in cars in people a quarter of a mile and it just didn't stop and it it was people they would come up and say. I didn't even know vince. But i met him because i was in need of help and he just rolled up his sleeves and he just like took over and was like okay. We got it. It was people in the community that he lived in. He was on the school board. He was a little league coach. He was soccer coach. He helped build the church. He took care of the lawn of the church. He was constantly doing things raising money for charity. Working over here helping organize this. But he was never the guy in the spotlight he was just the guy doing it and we had no idea how much he had done because he never talked about it. We also didn't know how much mental anguish. He was in because he never talked about it. And last monday morning after spending easter with the family everybody thought it was fine. He got up at three o'clock in the morning he was staying with my mom and dad tania's mom and dad and he got up at three o'clock in the morning he went into the office. He put everything together that the family might need all of the things that his children and his wife would need and left a note on the person who he's worked with for thirty some years on their desk because they always come in. I don't go upstairs. Just call nine one one and he killed himself. This is now the third family member of mine that has gone through this. And i keep seeing play out over and over and over again in exactly the same way. We had an immediate family member in my family. That police called the my house. This even know how long ago is now a few months ago. Attempted suicide world is sick. We are sick. When i talked to tanya on monday all she could get out of her mom at the time when they were both hysterically. Crying was what she thought she heard was and vince. Kick dad on the way out. And i'm like oh my gosh. What was that all about. How did that happen and all day. I'm thinking what is my dad going through right now. what is he thinking about. You know his relationship with vince and everything that just came out of the blue. I found out that he kissed him on the way out which was a much better way to go. But i looked at that and even that was in active service to let your dad know how much you loved him on the way out. I know this sounds weird. If you don't know much about suicide or if you've never gone through it yourself and really the only way to understand it is to be close to it yourself. No matter how close you get to it. If you've never experienced it you don't understand it because it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense because it's insane but you get trapped in this place to where you actually start to believe that the world would be a better place without you that your family would be a better place without you that they would have it easier if you were just gone. None of that is true as a survivor of three now in my family. It hasn't been even close to true anytime. Suicide has such a long tail to it. That even when you think your past it and you've recovered that tail comes swinging around and can smash you at a time when you think. The dragon is gone. I know what these four kids are going to go through. Because i went through it. I'm speaking of my other brother's son's wedding giving the fathers toast this summer because his father is not there. Let me say this. I if you are thinking about suicide if you think there's no reason to live if you think there's no way out if you think the world would be better without you it's a lie and i know because i've been there. I've thought those thoughts myself. And i was lucky enough to have a friend. Take me to the hospital. I went against my will. I actually said this is not going to change anything. Because i know what the problem is. The problem is me. And while i had good reason to think that at the beginning those were reasonable thoughts of a change my life but it spirals down into everything and if you if you do it it only gonna make things much worse and there is relief and there is love again and there is light and there is joy you were born to experience joy. Please call for help please. If you're on the receiving end do not dismiss this. Don't tell somebody. Oh well it's gonna get better. Keep your chin up cheer up. There's nothing more offensive than that when you're in the situation because they've tried if they give any indication at all the good ones won't they might leave a few breadcrumbs but in our case it was a guy who you would have never thought because he's always fine or matt and he's always helping other people but he couldn't get help himself. He didn't know how to accept. Help himself it's a two way street. 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It was one hundred sixty hundred and seventy million words and some of those have been hard. But i don't think there's been anything harder than this because i didn't know how to describe him. He was you know brother friend a father a husband a son and then when i went to the wake and i saw i listened to people i realized that the word that was needed was not even servant. It was loved and i've pondered that over the weekend. There are two great commandments. Love god and love your neighbor grossly abbreviating those but love god and love your neighbor and i realized that this is the biggest thing. We're missing right now. So many of us. The fear up in connecticut was palpable. Now i know. I live in connecticut and i could tell those who had bought into the hysteria over covid. Because i'd say i'm from texas and they would back away from me but the fear is how possible. Fear doesn't come from any place good and the fear is not needed. It is not needed. So how do you combat that. And what do we do to save ourselves our country and our children next news. The glenn beck program. I don't know if you're a big fan of boycotting businesses that you don't agree with or not I mean generally speaking conservatives have never done it but we must begin to raise our voice if you missed In the first hour. I talked about an amazing meeting of one hundred ceos over the weekend. It's in the wall street journal's think it's in the new york times it is things are changing and you've got to support those businesses that support your values and get away from the companies. That don't here's an easy one. You can do var isan right now. They're part of all this nasty stuff. That's going on especially when it comes to abortion. They give a lot of their money. which used to be your money and then they take it from you and then they could spend it however they want but i don't want them spending any of the money that i worked hard for on abortion. 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They're they're not friends. These the people that were there were there because he made a difference in their life. He was a true servant. As i'm watching this all that kept going through my mind was by their fruits. Ye shall know them. The fruits of his labor were on display. He was a servant all the time all the time in no matter what he was doing that was his priority and like so many of us. Sometimes you know our job interferes with the family or whatever in in his way service became such a big deal. That i wondered. When did he have time for anything else but he found a way to love everybody. They're two great commandments. Love god with all your heart and mind and soul and love your neighbor. So those two great commandments. Boil down to love truth. Because that's what god is it. We've wrapped god in all different kinds of things and we've given him some anthropomorphic. You know tangible anthropomorphic. Tendencies and traits. I don't know what god is. I think i do. I believe i do. But if i get to the other side and you know i've said it a million times a space octopus r. guard nba. Like wow that's a total shock but okay because whatever god is truth we we. Don't love truth anymore. We denied true. We are all living untruths. Every time you put a mask on you might be doing it for other people. And that's cool but if you believe that this is a lie every time a little bit of our truth dies with us when we put a mask on it does and i can justify it in my own head because i'm compassionate of other people but this is not based on any scientific. Do you know that the definition of truth actually is truth. A or state of being true that which is in accordance with reality or a fact or belief accepted as true. The last ones. The only one murky. And it's always. It's always the last. When you're out gathering they were going push in a quality of state of being true that which is in coordination with reality the mask thing just as an example is not in accordance with reality. Any scientist can tell you that it's like a building you know a. She were building submarines. The mask is as useful as if he said. You know what we're also going to put you know all the hatches. Were gonna put screen doors there. It doesn't stop the water from rushing in. Maybe it makes us feel better. But i think it's actually doing the opposite. We have lost the sense of you know when you love your neighbor. I mean really. Love your neighbor when you serve saturday. We did a dinner for the family and there were. I don't know. I mean italian families. There's like it's like a mob gathering except nobody's killing each other no. He's got a body in the trunk and But it's just massive. Everybody is there and it was my way of serving. The family. And i had the best night. How many times have you done something for somebody else. And you've come out and you don't know they got anything out of it but you you kind of feel selfish in a way. You're kind of like wow. That's where joy comes from love thy neighbor that's where joy comes from the opposite of joy despair and that is the complete absence of hope hope is defined as a feeling or desire that things are going to happen. The second definition of of hope is a feeling of trust. We don't trust and we're beginning to lose the field that something good is going to happen. That was the american thing we believed in the future. We believed a brighter. Day was just ahead of us. That's all but been destroyed in us. We are no longer americans if we lose hope and that's despair the loss of hope and the opposite of despair is joy. And how do you find joy. You find joy by routing herself in the truth even if that's the truth that you don't want to accept accept the truth and serve others. I talk to mercury one this week because we've been so focused on education and we are serving so many on education. But i don't want i wanna make sure that we don't lose our charitable arm ongoing in helping people as well. It's the. It's one of the best memories that i have of. Covid was helping the city in detroit. The change hearts that mercury one encountered in detroit. Did it change anything political. No but it changed hearts. It changed hearts right now if we don't be the people if we if we aren't saying your loved just like i'm loved and it doesn't matter what you do. It doesn't matter what you do to me. i'm always gonna love you. I may not like you. But i will be the first there to help you and i'm not there to help you because i'm trying to change your mind. I'm trying to win or anything like that. I'm there because i believe family is the only thing that matters and you we're all family. We're all family if you haven't repaired your family yet you need to doesn't mean you're you have to take abuse but the only way things will change is if we find a way back toward one another and that is truth and remember you. Don't tell the truth percent you don't. You're not required to tell the truth if it does more damage you know like hey i want you to know when i was a kid. I rob you blind. Okay might make you feel better but is that going to do more damage. You should tell the people and make restoration can restitution but Just to tell people all by the way. I was making out with your sister the whole time. Not a good idea not a good idea but we have to stop. We have to stop saying that. There's nothing we can do. What are we gonna do well. Here's the first thing. Stop living ally and before you clean up anything politically you gotta clean up your own life. Stop living a lie. Whatever that lie is and it could be a lie that was given to you by your own family. I'm i was known forever. I think i still am. I'm the stinky little brother who's row. Whose room always stunk. Because i didn't get really put my clothes in the laundry in whatever. I'm the stinky little brother. That's who i am still my sister's okay. But that's not who i am. Who are you what do you believe what do you stand for. I think all of the time now. All of the time of what this woman said to me over in poland. She was one of the righteous among the nations. And i said how do we get that tree of. Righteousness you know. The the righteous among the nations were the ones who saved jews at their own peril. How do we. How do we water that tree of righteousness. She looked at me. Like i didn't understand there is no tree of righteousness that you have to grow you. You already have everything you need you just have to say. I'm not going to participate in this lie. I know the difference between right or wrong. I know the difference because i was raised in the truth now. Some people weren't and our kids are being indoctrinated but for those who are aware without malice with charity toward all we have to say. I'm not participating in this life. I'm not gonna go there with you. i'm not. I'm not but i love you and i'll serve you. I'll help you. I wish you know. As i watched him and i thought a hundred sixty five million words. I've said over forty years. How many of those were important. And here's this guy who has no platform and he has hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people show up at his at his wake at a time of covid in the northeast. How does this happen. I don't know how many people would show up at. If i weren't on the radio i don't know how many people would show up but not hundreds and hundreds and hundreds even know how many people job at my funeral. Even though i am on the radio. I have no idea because really what are my personal works litter. My personal works. I don't know. I don't know and to be that sad. That doesn't save me but it does save others and it does bring joy and it is only by those those works and the fruit of those works. That people will know who you are and we keep thinking that. That's a bad thing. I don't want people to know who we are. Let them know who you are. And let your legacy be like vince. Colonus was because. I know exactly who. He is in a different way. Because i saw the fruit of his work are sponsored. This hour is wreck. Tech time has come to revolutionize the way that you cook your meals not just the way you grill out but the way that you cook all together because when you get a wreck tech you're not just getting a grill you're getting something that can smoke something that can grill something that can even bake and it does an amazing job at all of it whether surf and turf at you know at night for your house. Maybe throw some stake in shrimp on the proverbial barbie or you want to make the world's delicious burgers and hotdogs or believe it or not. 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We're not and anybody who wants to come can come now. It's in a town where. I don't think there's been any cases of covid. There's certainly been no cases of covid in the church and the so. The police came in after he wouldn't stop preaching and they arrested him. He was in maximum security for a while. They released him now. They just took the church from him and put a fence up around it then. Yesterday they started arresting journalists for telling the stories. What when did canada become the soviet union. You need to know this story. And i'll give it to you from somebody who's seen it first hand coming up in just a second. There's this new movie out the landmark case roe versus wade and it's got a pretty amazing cast especially for. I mean think how brave you have to be to be in this. Corbin bernstein is in. Its stacey dash. John schneider steve gutenberg and of course our good friend jon voight John is amazing in anything that He is in. I haven't seen the movie because of what was happening last week but it is. I mean this is one of the most important court cases that has changed the fabric of america but people don't know the full story They they don't have any idea of what really happened. The political maneuvering and the the targeting of even supreme court members and the graft that went on. It was really really dirty right. Now you can find it. It's available on itunes. Amazon and google play seat on demand or from your major cable or satellite carrier after half a century. It's time to expose all of the lies. The truth has its day in court. Download roe versus wade the movie today. Roe versus wade. It's not a documentary movie. Do it now And we thank them for their sponsorship of this half hour on lays coverage show begins a few seconds what you were not to hear fusion above entertainment and enlightenment us glenn beck program. Hello america and welcome to the program. Thank you for tuning in today. There there is some. there's some amazing news. Going on about joe biden nine. Haven't had a chance to even talk about the gun legislation or the executive orders that he has done the the transportation bill that they are building human infrastructure. Everything is designed to change who we are and how we lived same with the covid rules now up in canada. They've already thrown one pastor in jail. High security jail They let him out and now over the weekend they they took razor wire and chain link fences and put it around the church and said you're closed without any warning or anything you're close no one's going into the church this church that hasn't had one single case of cove it not one and why are they shutting down. The church await it gets better. Then they started. The canadians started arresting journalists. Who were covering it. When did it become china. And how close are we to this in sixty seconds all right. 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Radical church non any of that stuff close it down and then started arresting journalists who were covering the story. What is happening in canada. Well let's go to As relevant he is the founder of rebel news. that's kind of like a blaze up in canada and he hosts the as relevant show. Welcome to the program. Thank you glen. I i love americans. One of the things i love about. Americans is care about freedom around the world. I know that you care about the freedom of people in xinjiang. China wieger muslims. I know you care about christians in iraq and other places in the muslim world. But i sort of feel shy to say it i. I think we might need some help up here in canada. I know that sounds odd. But i i sure would like if you could help. Shine a light of scrutiny on. What's going on up north here because the troubles about religious freedom and press freedom. They're not just in far away places. Now they're just across the border. And i can tell you to cresa cases. The first is what you mentioned. The grace lights church. It's a very nice church outside edmonton alberta. I visited it myself loving peaceful. The friendliest folks. I tell you if i was jewish i go every week. Make people and the pastor was sentenced to thirty five days in a maximum jail. Maximum security jail because he wouldn't close his church by the way when he was in jail. The church kept open anyways. It's another pastor presided. When they didn't they didn't do anything. They didn't do anything to that pastor. They didn't do anything to the church. No and there was no need to and by the way there was never a single case in the church let alone an outbreak and everything was fine until one day. They moved in it dawn. There was no one in the church. The police seized the church occupied the church and turned it into the only way i could describe it as a paramilitary garrison. Life like a forts. They have a perimeter fence and then within it. They have another fence. They put a big black tarp around it so you can't see what they're doing they have police coming and going in shifts. These are heavily armed. Police they also have lesser armed police. They brought their latrines in. And i think it's very disrespectful. They put him right outside the front door. The church the bathrooms So they're literally doing to the church what they're also figuratively doing. I wonder if they would defile a mosque in the same way but they have turned this church into a garrison. Why because if they were to leave the church members which is go back in so they are a permanent occupation and militarization of grace life church. I know you're thinking that can't be true. Well there's plenty of video of it so this weekend. Obviously sunday to interesting things happen. First of all the church members met but they did not meet after church. They met at a second secret location and underground church like they do in china china so the the actual congregants of grace slacks church and their pastor did not go to their building. They went somewhere else. They believe that the churches with them start a piece of bricks and metal and mortar correct. And so they're having an underground church china style but at the same time almost a thousand people not with the church way to the church and solidarity. They were different approaches. Some of them were more angry. Somewhere more peaceful some prayed for the police some shouted the police and there was a moment when some of the protesters knocked down the exterior fence and and by the way some people affiliated with truth said. No no. don't do that. We could've taken the church physically anytime if we wanted to. We're not. We're not protesting a piece of metal. We're here for the right to pray and there was an interesting divergence in views. Should they physically retake the church or not in the end. The fence went back up quickly but not before a huge brigade of heavily armed swat style police from the mounties. The royal canadian mounted police came gas masks riot gear basically stormtroopers they were at a staging facility nearby. What are they gonna do were they. Were they going to shoot people. It was so insane. So you have an underground church in hiding pastor conducting secret services. I would've The surveillance of police. You have a church being turned into an armed garrison like a like a military base. You have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds close to a thousand people protesting this when someone pressed against the fence and knocked it down they dispatch you know stormtroopers. It looked heavily-armed. That is canada. And i happen to be from the province of alberta. Its motto is strong and free. That's false advertising today. Glenn first of all when did the. He's lose their cool horse. Red jacket well. Thing now teaser. So beloved because they have such a great reputation going back more than a century There was that old show Oh boy it was show about amounts in the states the fish out of water kinda show. I got it. I mean it was mountains. Our beloved their friendly. It's like the british bobby. Everyone loves the mountie. But that's not the the amount he's today it announced today. They only wear their red jackets and ride their horses for fancy ceremonies today. They were doing the dirty work of shutting down a church. I can't imagine that any young man grew up. And said i wanna grow up and go to the police academy and get a shield and a badge and a gun. And and so i can. What bank robbers catch murderers or expropriate and occupy a church and throw pastors in prison. That's in prison glenn. They emptied out four hundred violent offenders because they were worried they would catch. Cove it in the prison. I'm not making that up. Four hundred violent men were released from prison. But they put the pastor in that same prison for thirty five days. That's canada and i. i don't want it seen alarmist. But i sure would love it. If you know. Americans with a big footprint like senator ted cruz marco rubio people who talk about freedom in cuba or iran boy. I'd love it if they would put out a statement about this. And can i tell you one more story from montreal this weekend that i was personally out If it's about the media. I want you to hold onto that Our crazy i wanted to yesterday. Hang on just like. I wanna talk about that here in a second i i wanna ask you one question on the media. And then i'll take a quick break The the mainstream the cbc are they even covering what's happening at this church they don't cover it off and when they do they cover it With aggressive criticism they pay to the church as Criminal radicals they yeah radicals they smear it as unhealthy Super spreaders. Even though i say again don't one case let alone. An outbreak this pastor obviously could have got out of jail. One minute let alone thirty five days. It was as if they gave him his own keys. All he had to do was lie. And say i won't go back to the church. Imagine a man who would endure thirty five days of maximum security prison when he had his own keys he endured that because he would not say ally the lie being. I won't go back to the church. And i won't print he wouldn't say that. And that is the most gentle man the most peaceful man the most non violent man the most self abnegating. Now you'll ever find and yet. They demonize him. They call him wacko and extremist The mock the church itself Because it's not just that he's a dissident it said he obviously believes in a higher power than politicians. And he. if you are a walk down if that's source superstition. I'm not even gonna call it a religion. If you believe in lockdown ism. If you wear a mask the same way a muslim women might wear hijab or a jewish man. My worry jamychal if the mask is your religious symbol. Your symbol of submission to your philosophy of lockdown is now one nascar to master the high crease. Where three masks and javale look if you believe that whole mindset fine but there are some people who believe in something higher than anthony fauci and that's what that's what people rage against churches and other institutions of religious institutions. That won't close 'cause they say a ha. You don't believe what i believe and your resistance is a is an insult to my belief system. I think there's something to that glen. I think it's a nature of horse vacuum and this this superstition and so devoid. You know as you're you're the type of mind that would enjoy You should read the book. hitler's monsters. It's a very scholarly book. But it talks about that that one that nichii was right and once you killed god. What did the german people fill that vacuum with and it goes in depth on on a lot of the stuff that i think. We're doing right now. And i'm talking religiously you you start to go into myths. You go into magic. I mean it is. It's nuts and we're starting to repeat this and and condemning the church and real believers and making them look like idiots imbeciles and radicals more with ezra levant here the second american financing. Mls one eight two three three four www dot nmlsconsumeraccess.org. For just a minute. I want you to think about what it would be like to be out of debt. I mean think about think about what it would like to have what. How many more hundreds of dollars Every month i can help you save hundreds of hundreds of dollars every month. Maybe even over a thousand dollars if you refinance your mortgage with american financing without resetting the term. That's the kind of Outcome that you're facing is being strapped with debt or figuring out a way to get out of those high interest credit cards or this mortgage with a very high interest rate and doing it now. If you have debts you're not alone. Twenty twenty was a really rough year. Twenty twenty one. I think is going to be worse. You've got to weather this storm To put yourself into a situation where you are as as good financially as possible whether you're looking to purchase a home for the first time or wanting to refinance your mortgage or to consolidate alone american financing is the way to go call them today. You could be saving hundreds of dollars every month. Do it now. Don't take my word for it. Give them a call. See what american financing can do for you. They work for you. Not the banks. American financing eight hundred nine zero six twenty four forty american financing dot net eight hundred nine zero six twenty four forty ten seconds station so ezra levant joins us. He is the founder of rebel news. You can find rebel. News dot com also fight. The fines dot com. Which is a really important thing. You guys are doing up in canada that we're working on here to be able to do Down here in the united states. So tell me about. We know we now know the church but now tell me what happened to the press. That was covering this. Sure well as you mentioned. We don't just report the news. Sometimes we try and get involved in it if we we can make a difference and one of the things we do is we crowd fund. You know what that is. Everyone chips at a few bucks and before you know you got enough to do something important. So we crowd fund civil liberties lawyers to fight some of these crazy lockdown tickets for people and so far. We've we've taken six hundred and seven cases across canada and we've even recorded a french version of our program. And i know you're gonna laugh a yiddish version. Because there's lots of yiddish. Speaking religious jews. In the city of montreal i picked on because because they have to pray at certain hours and they can't synagogue by zoom because they don't use electricity on the sabbath so there's a religious jewish community in montreal. He gets picked on a lot so we made a special video offering them legal help so we have french english units. We have lawyers across the thing is police forces. Don't like that because they want people to pay these huge fines they want them as a deterrent. And if people aren't scared anymore maybe they won't be so compliance and by the way we ask prickly questions like. Hey how come you were abusive when you made that arrest or can we have some disclosure of your case or maybe this isn't constitutional so because we both do a the journalism and be the fight defines activism we have a new set of enemies revenues including the police and they started physically pushing our people around when we cover things in montreal we have one reporter and the the who himself is jewish and when the police would stop them they say. Oh it's the jew media. Oh you're the all my gosh. And and that's all on tape by the way and it sort of bug me. Because i thought that feel tiny semitic the feels like policing i mean maybe he means like a jewish newspapers so i don't want to jump to a conclusion but it gave me the willies. 'cause he's not there as a jew. He's there like we have only two jewish journalist. We have muslim journalist. We have christian we we it's. We're not a religious company Like it's thought we stand up for everyone's free but we're not at your media So they started really on our guy yankee and so we sent three or four more reporters to back him up. Who by the way happened to be from different religious and racial backgrounds and then police targeted them handcuff them gave them thousands of dollars of fines pushed them physically assaulted them so we had one reporter. They pushed him around so we sent three or four reporters that push them around so this weekend then. We took half the company. We took seventeen of our people to montreal to stand with yankee and our other journalists to wear big high visibility. Kenny's saying press and to go and report on these lockdowns to show the police that we're not going to be pushed around. We actually hired a lawyer to accompany us on the streets because it was important to us to assert ourselves of the press so we had seventeen people backing up our one montreal or the police went nuts. They found our airbnb. We were staying at an airbnb which was actually a little spoke together that way. We had privacy and we were all together in one place. I've got about forty seconds. Police raided the houseboat. I said come back with a warrant. They said no. We're locking the entire boat down as a crime scene. You may not get on or off the actually you can only get off. They searched us for ten hours. They demanded to search the rooms of the reporters. No search warrant. They physically roughed up one of our reporters and jailed him. And no judge would gives a mr warren. There's a war on the church. There's a war on the free press. It's happening candidate police help. Okay i i gotta pull you over for the next break if you can stay with us for for one more segment. 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Eight hundred five hundred eighty three eighty four eight hundred hundred eighty three eighty four. It's relieffactor dot com head over to blaze. Tv dot com slash. Glenn the promo code is glenn. You'll get ten bucks off prescription to blaze. tv. Welcome to the glenn beck program. Where with ezra levant. He is from Rebel media Op in up in canada. Almost in in mission really almost a sister to blaze dot com. He's the founder of rebel news host of the ezra levant show. You can find him at rebel news. Dot com rebel news dot com also. He is the founder of fight. The fines dot com where. They're trying to help people with fines that they incur from the canadian government and just kind of do a crowd funding for those fines. Back in march. I believe you guys were at a a global meeting or protest of the lockdowns. It was happening globally. And you guys walked away with six thousand dollars in fines. Can you start there with your story. Sure we cover Peaceful demonstrations every single weekend in various cities so when we send reporters we're not sending them as activists were sending them just two point a camera and report and in fact we often wear these big vestige they press on them We we comply with the rules. We don't get between if if there's a rasping made. We stayed a few feet back. We don't want to get into it but police seem to target us in toronto. They say that media is not allowed to report They say media are not essential and then when we pressed him on it they said well your non essential other media are exempt. Things like that In montreal the same thing happened handcuffing. Our people throwing them against rennes harassing them. Strange i i need to. I need to see the video of this as i find this so hard to believe coming from canada. What what were the people what were people doing. What were they reporting on. Tell me the scribe. The we have the videos up at lockdown reports dot com. 'cause we're doing a series of them and you can see for example. There was a huge march in montreal and and our reporters were standing on the sidewalk but because the police saw their cameras they went up to them reach for them. Grab them push them flat up against the police van in one case through their phone to the ground. Handcuff them thousands of dollars of tickets. You might be saying. No that can't be there's gotta be something else going on. Surely you guys threw a punch. Surely you guys did no no no. When they see the cameras they know and in fact on and we we now wear body cameras also so if they throw our held cameras to the ground we catch it anyways. One of the police told our chief videographer. Why are you guys being so skeptical and critical. The other media aren't he. He dropped the mask for a second and he the genuinely confused these montreal police. Because we're not submissive compliance. Like what i call the media party. So there's there's no mistaking are are mild mild mannered. I'm noisy but our video. Gophers are polite and mild mannered. And they're standing on the sidewalk They're they're just filming that to to montreal police officer of you have a camera yours. Dangerous someone who has a gun because you will show their misconduct and so when they discovered we were on this airbnb houseboat on the weekend. They tried to storm the boat. I said go and get a search warrant ten hours a called our boat a police crime scene in the end they couldn't give a judge got judge decide. The shirts worn and i kept saying what. What do you think you're gonna find. They said oh this. Airbnb violates rules against social distancing in public gatherings. I said it's a hotel it's registered. You're gonna shut down. It'd be like obviously they were trumping up some excuse and just bizarrely. After a ten hour siege they just packed up and left. No tickets no charge. The i read in the newspapers that they're telling other reporters they're going to send us various fine to the mail. I suspect we'll probably get about twenty grand words and signs 'cause each to what fifteen hundred. Well i i don't know anything They gave us jaywalking fine. They give us any fine just to load us up. But you know we're fighting finds for six hundred and seven other people. I'm happy to fight finds for a journalists to. I think they looked terrible. But what's so scary to me. The actual worst part of this all Whether it's the church in edmonson that has become a police paramilitary garrison or the little rate on our airbnb and montreal over the weekend. The worst part isn't even. The police misconduct is that the media party the mainstream media legacy year the corporate media. They look at it and they say yup yet. Those are bad guys. That curcumin is a bad guy. Rebel news or bad because they're not with the narrative and yeah you can be a bit rough with them. I mean where's reports without borders whereas pen international whereas amnesty international. Where's the canadian civil liberties association our version of the aclu normally. They would mean out yet if they didn't mean it. Generally reporters took him to the police station for six hours yesterday. where where's the outcry. If we were a lot what what was the charge. There was they police. They were pushing. They were physically pushing us away from the boat. They they were taking bikes and sort of fifty. Cops were uploaded all the video. You can see some of them. A lockdown reports dot com. But we've really just got back to toronto last night. So we've got like hours worth of footage we're gonna upload seriously. Most of our team was on that boat and we were kept off the boat. One of our guys was in jail. We should have all the footage out over. The course of the next few days aren't some worrying. We're at a tipping point. As i know you have to run. You have a show to do but get that. Get that video to us. And then i'd love to have you on tomorrow to take us through this video to show america because you're right it you need. We all must stand together. We all must stand together or we are in deep trouble. Thank you so much as relevant founder of rebel news. You can find him at rebel news. Dot com. Stu i mean. Do you know that. Youtube is now taking away the platform for him. They've they've taken away all of their ability to monetize anything so even even the sponsors that specifically say. I want to be on rebel news. Youtube won't let those people sponsor. They specifically say i want to sponsor it's amazing. How far their go. I mean candidate does seem to be worse in some ways. But it's obviously either here at this point or right around the corner in the united states as well. Where do you go. What border you going to cross for safety. Where are you gonna go in the world. China did you hear about what happened in canada with Sidney mccain cindy mccain has the john mccain ward for. i don't know what it is service or something and they are. this is an organization that is very. I don't wanna say china but you know not not china friendly anybody who is standing up against the atrocities in in china This charity will recognize well. They've they've given a couple of these awards out now. One was too. I think chinese group of dissidents Oh the dissidents in in hong kong and then also. I think dissidents in greece were standing up. They wanted to give this year's award to the president of taiwan canada. Said if you do that we want nothing to do with your organization. Hal is happening to canada terrifying a minute. We went over. Some of the stuff The show last weekend. And it's so far trudeau. Oh is so far beyond sane. Like he's got a policy now. Where if you take off on a flight from the united states. Let's say you have to take a test and come up negative before you leave and then you also have to take a test once you arrive so like as if you've got covert on the flight of course it wouldn't show up on the test when you landed and then even if you test negative you still have to quarantine inside the country for fourteen days now. These are not science space absolutely insane. This is not a science based idea. Here they just it doesn't matter anymore. It's really now at this. Point seems to be this signal of control. And i guess apparent virtue but i don't see virtue in it so i missed the i mean i've read all about it but i miss the joe biden speech last week about guns fun events. The good one did i. yes i hear. He called it the a. f. t. the anytime was he did glenn. I think one thing that has not been noticed by many that. I've heard at least is that he. You know there's this thing that would the left where they said you know. Look thoughts and prayers are not enough and then became like something that actual politicians on the left were saying which was very younger. He actually said in the speech No more prayers. He doesn't want any more prayers. Apparently enough prayers which i thought a strange states for a supposedly religious person to take that he actually not only are they not anymore and only do so much really can only do so much. There's no miracle coming. Clinton i mean sure we have vaccines developed in the fastest amount of time in human history but no miracle is coming so he's limited god in that way and now he does not want any more prayers from this hard. Heartfelt catholic seems like Seems like he's acting on that so he his new gun controls. And we have to talk about this Tomorrow maybe Is his first step is to get ghost guns. yeah Off the street now. I didn't know about ghost guns. But here's bad news. If you do know about ghost guns and your part of the ghost ghost guns industry. I guess I think he's hired the mystery machine and the whole no trouble making kids those damned teenagers. That dog To capture the ghost. Guns I didn't know we had a problem with ghost. Guns did you did you No no they're not problem. It's just a good way of getting people excited about an issue. They're not familiar with right like it's night we'll talk to a ton of who actually have built ghost guns before quote unquote goes guns. That's a pejorative term. Of course but it just you build it yourself from parts you can buy online. Yeah and they have some of them that are like eighty percent done. So that's that's goes got. It comes at a kit but it's like you have to have like a drill press. They people were walking us through all the steps. I would absolutely blow myself up if i tried to make one like. It's not like it's only criminal. Syndicates are going to get together and you like what we can. We can avoid the serial numbers for the murders. Were going to commit. We care a lot about the serial number crime and not the murder crime. So we're gonna build to take all our resources and go into building these guns. i mean. it's just such a ridiculous thing. It's a very very minor. Part of i will tell you the the mob the the syndicate as i believe lucy once said in In charlie brown's christmas The syndicate would get together and make guns and goes guns if they're band if all the stuff is banned and people can't get them. Are you kidding me. What the black market will be mainly well all for criminals. I guess if you're buying it on the black market But do i mean it'll be a massive boon to criminal organizations. Still though it's never. I don't know that it ever unless you're in like a gilead sort of Handmaid's tale situation. There's never going to be a good reason to go. And build your own gun for crime. Like pete hobbyists do it because they love it just like we're using his example of like some people like to brew beer other people like to go to seven eleven and get into a twenty four. Pack right like brewing. Beer is not necessary right now. People love to do so. That's why people you know. Build their own guns like there's four hundred million guns in this country and an open border on her south with another one hundred million down there. There's absolutely no reason to build a gun to get a gun right like only if you just love the art of it if you love to do it that way you know. There's no reason to bother. You can get them. You can steal them. You can buy them on the black market already and left. Won't close the border where they keep coming across right. This the subtly audience knows. I read the prequel to the handmaid's tale And this is what the bad guy was telling people. Yeah aces good bad guy style days. I think i'd be a good guy. 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Episode 65 Kennedy Ervin Bill Part 5

Labor: Know Your Rights

27:29 min | 10 months ago

Episode 65 Kennedy Ervin Bill Part 5

"Hello listeners. This is labor. Know Your rights podcast I'm your host Dave. This episode is brought to you by the national, League of Justice and security professionals. Where the members come first. Contact Information can be found. In our show notes including our toll free number. Where you can leave. A message ideas for future episodes are tell us about events. Campaigns are victories in your union. Please check out life on record. Hey listeners. Labor! No your raves will be changing. Our host in the near future. We have a new. Our S S speed with a slight change in her name to Labor. No, you're right V two version two. We did this. We could check out our new host while maintaining our old. A temporary basis. All our past episodes are available. By searching for our new name on the application used to get our podcast now. In a couple of months you will want to. Be using the new name as we will be losing the current. Our S S fee I apologize for the inconvenience, but filler new host has better tools and should make our podcast better. The General Consensus of Congress in Washington. Observers lobbying activity labor reform far exceeded any like activities in previous controversial legislation battles that they could recall. It was not until the nineteen thirties that any effort was made to regulate lobbying activity. Federal Regulation of Lobbying Act was enacted in nineteen, Forty six tail, two of the legislative recognization act of Nineteen forty-six, they representatives of special interests were required to register and make public their expenditures in lobbying activities in nineteen, fifty, four, the Supreme Court interpreted only those who solicit funds where a principle purpose is to communicate directly with congressman to influence legislation need register file reports. It is estimated that fewer than half of the lobbyists in Washington Register and file reports. Lobbying activity, concerning labor-management lesions has been intense since laws in this field have such impact on labor in management interests. This bill brought out the very best lobbying effort by both interested parties, lobbying efforts were made at every step of the bill affected every member of Congress so we will go over those reportedly to have some influence. The best was by the teamsters led by sees Agri an attorney and graduate of the University of California at Los Angeles Harvard and the University of Wisconsin. Zegra was quite during the progress of the Candy Urban Bill in the Senate but burst into bloom as bill reached the house in May. Zachary and Harold Gibbons teamsters. International Vice President played host at a series of breakfast at the Congressional Hotel in DC, which were invited all four hundred thirty five members of the House about two dozen at a time zagury would wire teamsters local officers, instructing them to wire in turn the breakfast invitations to the Congressmen in their districts. These local union officials would usually be on hand themselves to play dishes pressure. Zachary would ray these men from ADP depending on how like minded they were with the teamsters position. When a ten Man Group of Democrats voted against a union sponsored plan to bury the bill in committee Zagury learned who they were and telegraph teamster officials in their home districts, urging protests he even provide form letters and help plan protests meetings. Zagury personally offered fifty nine pages of amendments and took an entire day in testify in the hearings held by the committee. His activities went beyond the fine line between persuasion and insistence and many Congressmen. We're more than annoyed at him Mrs Green Democrat from Oregon said he can go to. Hell and ray were charged him with lying in stating that Rayburn supported the Shelley Bill. represent, Barton threatened to bring an investigation of his brazen outside influence. And inside that Zagreb may not have been responsible. For had a worse effect, then all others. Zegra had been pressuring. Represented Frank Thompson Democrat from New Jersey. A friend of Labor to work for less stringent legislation than the moderate Reform Thompson was advocating. Agreed Announced Thompson. Thompson stirred receiving threatening calls. He reported the coast to the FBI the next week. On August eighteenth an unknown person to his car at a stop light and squared acid on him. Fortunately bad aim resulted in Thompson being injured, but public opinion when against Zagury and his ability to influence congressman was lost. James Hoffa had been silent on labor reform until the urban bill went to the house. In an appearance on network TV show on July. Twenty six leader, the teamsters union openly expressed opposition to the bill, saying it was not correct but punitive. He stayed his union intentions to the bill all the way again after approval, the Leonard Griffin Bill in the House. How publicly stated his opposition to this type of legislation? He stayed his would not be affected by the bill, but objected based on his concern for the Labor movement in general. A week layers Agri followed up with a detailed examination of the bill to demonstrate the bill would hurt most unions other than his own. By a forcing teams. Drivers to cross picket lives, thereby making it almost impossible for smaller unions to win strikes be. Forcing these smaller unions to join powerful organizations like the teamsters see imposing financial reporting requirements, which would also smaller unions to affiliate with larger organizations WHO staff are well equipped to handle complicated accounting and reporting requirements and be inducing unions to Circumvent Secondary Boycott Prohibition by amalgamating into larger organizations to secure master, nationwide contracts and allow general strikes. This sounded plausible, and with candor, let coming from teamster sources could not have persuasive power. Anyone who remembered Hoffa's speech at a longshoremen's convention in Brownsville Texas on May Nineteenth. Nineteen fifty-nine was unlikely to believe that Hoffa's Union is soberly considering the good of the nation and labor movement in that fee top responded to the talk about closing the secondary boycotting loopholes in the Taft Hartley Act by declaring that they talk about secondary boycotts. We can call a primary strike all across the nation, and that will straighten out the employers once and for all. Scenario. MC, lounge observation was the typical reaction. It was the most arrogant. Brazen thing I've heard in my life. The biggest for PA dubbing efforts goes to James Carey President of the International Union of tropical workers and vice president of the AFL CIO. Raised at the passage of the lendrum Griffin Bill in the house. He sent a complimentary letter to the seventeen Republicans. And a hundred eighty four Democrats who had voted for the bill? In this letter carry warned. These congressmen. That his union would do everything in its power to commits workers in their districts that they were anti labor and should be defeated. Mini Congressman Friends of Labor included were upset and express their outrage at the threat. And attempt to coheres Congress. Kerry seemed genuinely surprised at the reaction. And denied. He had intended his letter as a threat. But within a week Kerry. had. Done it again. In his reply to representative era's. A Republican from Ohio who had publicly accused Kerry of Hoffa like tactics and sending his lawyer. In his letter carry called Ares a mouthpiece in tool of the National Association of manufacturers that's by implication, included in his accusation, all other congressman who had voted for the landing Griffin Bill. The Bakers Union representative made a threat to representative John Lindsay Republican from. New York that the union waited work you over in nineteen sixty, causing him to change a neighbor to a year on, they landon, Griffin Bill. One, hundred lobbyist met at the F. L. C. I. O. TO FIGURE OUT. The cause for the loss on the bill. But came to no conclusions. Businessweek magazine based on their discussions came to the following conclusions. A the union fell to assess public reactions to the issue of racketeering. Be. The unions were over. About the outcome of the battle see the union leaders fell to grass abilities in the legislation. Fee, they used threats rather than persuasion and e they sowed confusion in not defining a clear-cut position, particularly instating opposition. To provision. They were actually prepared to accept as compromise. Loving for management organizations was just as intense. But was more sophisticated and successful. Their tactics were as follows. The National Association of Manufacturers. American Farm Bureau. Federation United States. Chamber of Commerce and it state groups, and the less well-known national small business, men's association collaborated in a maneuver to influence moderate congressman from districts which elected them by less than fifty five percent of the total vote. There were some one hundred twenty of these fifty four of whom were selected for special attention. Meetings let writings and various forms of. Contact to give them the idea that a keeper. Percentage of their constituents were interested in strong labor reform. The only need fourteen votes, but ended up with twenty three. The bill cleared Congress on September fourth. It arrived at the white. House for the president to sign to make it a law. He was in Scotland visiting Prime Minister Macmillan. And Her Highness Queen Elizabeth. But there was no doubt he would sign it. On August thirteenth win victory was Cherd. He issued from the temporary white. House at Gettysburg Pennsylvania the following statement. With I am sure millions of Americans I applaud the House of Representatives where it's vote today in support of the London. Griffin Labor Reform, Bill, which would deal effectively with the abuse disclosed by the Mcclellan Committee. I congratulate all those who voted in support of this legislation. President Eisenhower, Singer on the bill on September fourteenth nineteen, fifty-nine without comment was an anti-climax to the fierce legislative battle. To summarize. We need to look at each title title one the bill of rights guarantees. Union members a the right to nominate candidate it. Be Participate in meetings. With other members see vote for union officers deep prohibits unions from preventing suits by members after union procedures are exhausted for settlement of members grievances. E. Protect the right of members to appear in governmental at prohibit. The Union from increasing assessments of members except by secret majority vote. G. REQUIRES THAT MEMBERS BE? Furnished copies by the Union of collective bargaining agreements, and that members be informed about the Labor Bill. H requires that unions give written statements of charges to members in disciplining actions and provide members with a fair hearing. I permit civil. Suits by members for infringement of rights guaranteed by the bill. Title to. The section is about reporting requirements by unions to the Secretary of Labor. A A copy of their constitution be a copy of their bylaws. See annual financial reports including records. Of loans of more than two hundred dollars per person. Records of all disbursements and requires that this information be available to union members. D provides provide records but court. To be in suits by members. E report. A possible conflicts of interest. F- file an annual report with the Secretary of Labor on non-wage money. Pay to unions are to their. Are To labor. Relations consultants for influence. Being employees on bargaining rights jeep required labor relations consultant not lawyers to file similar reports. H made it. A crime fell to file are to falsely or destroy such reports. Title Free. is about trusteeships a? Require that a semi annual report be filed with the Secretary of Labor detailing the conditions of the trusteeship. Financial conditions of the local. So. Held! Makes it a crime not to do so are to falsify such reports. Are Be permit suits by the secretary of Labor are by unions prevent violation. Of Trusteeship requirements see provide in such suits that trusteeships would be. Undisturbed for eighteen months, but after that time it would be presumed invalid unless extended by court order. Ida Four covers elections in unions. A requires secret votes in the election of union leaders at least every three years for locals four years for intermediate unions at five years for national organizations. Be. Requires the Union. To male candidates, campaign, leach or to the members at the cat. ITS OWN EXPENSE SEE PROVIDES A. Where there is a union shop, candidates may inspect the membership lists. E candidates may observe the counting of ballots and voting procedures e requires that members be given the opportunity to nominate. F- permits the Secretary of Labor to conduct an election. To Re call a union officer guilty of misconduct. G. Permits. Union members to seek injunctions through the secretary of Labor, if their claims of violations, election and recall procedures are not decided by union procedures within three months. Title Five Safeguards for Labor organizations a requires in officers. Who are we required to handle money to do so? Solely for the benefit of the Union and its members. BE PERMITTED members to sue for damages and to ask for an accounting when an officer is alleged to violate this requirement and the had. Made no attempt. To recover such funds. See makes it a criminal act to embezzle union funds. Are for a union officer handling money not to be bonded. The prohibits loans of more than two hundred dollars to any officer our employees. E prohibits the paying of fines by the violations of this law. F- Mars officers from office for five years for convictions, felonies on the reporting are trusteeship requirements of this love. G buyers from office Communist Party. Members H repeals the requirement union. Officers filed non. Affidavit in order to have the union. For the services of the NFL RB. Title Six Contains provisions that did not fit in the other titles are Ms Laney's. A provides penalties of one thousand dollars in one year in prison for use or threat of violence to interfere with the rights guaranteed entitled One. beep prohibits extortion picketing. See gives the Secretary of Labor power to investigate all violations of this law with the exception of the bill of rights and the Taft Hartley amendments. The prohibits unions from disciplining their members for using their rights under this law e provides that they railway Labor Act shall not be affected by the provisions of this law. F provides that state laws on crumbs covered. This law shall not be diminished authority. Title Seven amendments to the Taft Hartley Act. A provides that state agencies and the courts are permitted to assume jurisdiction over labor dispute excluded from the. Be. In eller be from enlarging areas. It claims to consider see permits the president to designate enacting nlrb general counsel. If the office is vacant. D? It, an unfair labor practice to curse employers. To approve a union or to obtain hut cargo contracts. E to Kerr. Here's an employer to recognize unions. Are To force another employer to recognize. You're not certified by the. You know our be in an election. Are divorced him to stop doing business with a with another firm. Eth- make it. An unfair labor practice to force workers to strike are refused to handle goods for any of the purposes mentioned above. G exempting only the garment industry and Building Industry under certain specified. Conditions. H huck cargo contracts are considered unfair labor practices. I prohibits organization and recognition picketing. The employer has not been guilty of. An unfair labor practice and has recognized another union under and. Be Certification election within the previous year, or if union had been picketing for thirty days with asking for an for an election. Jay, it brings railroad, airline, farm, and local government workers under the Taft Hartley leak. Law Provisions regarding, picketing, and secondary boycotts. K. Permits the nlrb to allow economic strikers. To vote in representation elections conducted within a year the strikes beginning. L. It permits pre hire contracts in the building industry, even if no NLRB lection. Taken Place and allows these contracts to require workers to join the union with in seven days, and except where outlawed by state lied allows these kind of tracks to require. Hiring through the union. There may be many reasons way a more strict. Labor Reform Bill was passed. Here's some that. Are Significant a two and a half years of the racket committee hearings. McClellan Prestige and efforts on behalf of stricter labor reform. HOFFA's attitude during the hearings and the public reaction to these two men and the unsavory tests way during the hearings. Be President Eisenhower's intercession on behalf of stronger labor, reform. Especially his nationwide television address on August sixth nineteen, fifty nine. In a speech to labor leaders in Wisconsin on October nineteen, fifty nine. Kennedy gave Eisenhower's Evert's. ASA biggest reason for enactment of the strict reform. See Sooner case determination because of his presidential aspirations. And regardless of obstacles to get a bill. Go at called candy the key to getting a bill. It is unlikely that the proponents of the moderate labor reform provisions would have been successful in moderating landreau griffin bill. At all had it not. BEEN FOR SENATOR KENNEDY'S BILL AT. All had it not been senator that Senator Katie possessed and exercised his great talent for timely compromise. Be The over publicizing by the press of labor scandals. And added pressure. For, strictly farm from the. Public. E synagogue waters, tireless and able effort istrict reform. F finally. The public attitude and prayer share on Congress as a result reasons and the additional initiation produced by the. is their relationships among three factors relatively high union wages. Continuing inflation and the prolonged still strike. Part of the reason I wanted to do the series. was to show the details that is involved in making a bill into law. Also to show that the system works only when both proponents and opponents are willing to compromise. I realized that this series was very detail, but this was unavoidable. My hope is that you found it interesting and also see how the system was designed to work. I. Thank you for listening. Please remember to search for our new name. Labor no, you're right be too. So that, you can update our feet so you can continue to get our new episodes. Our new host is anchor and we have found their service and tools to be fantastic. 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Which bridges need to be fixed first?

Marketplace Morning Report with David Brancaccio

09:41 min | Last month

Which bridges need to be fixed first?

"Hey everyone i'm ready. Mase hosted the marketplace podcast. This is uncomfortable. It is a show about life and how money messes with it and this season. We're digging into one very specific feeling that nagging suspicion that in some way or another proud kinda getting scammed from a decade-long quest to unravel an identity to the get rich quick ler of multilevel marketing schemes. We get into how our society seems to be built in a way. That can often leave. Many of us feeling cheated. You can check out. The new season of this is uncomfortable. Wherever you get your gas this marketplace podcast is supported by stock investing for dummies. This year taught us that the stock market can make just about anyone rich. But there's more to it than you might think. Stock investing for dummies covers the factual and emotional aspects of putting your money into stocks. So the next time a g. m. e. situation presents itself you're ready to play visit dummies dot com slash marketplace to grab your copy and get started on your investment journey today. You know a bridge that you want fixed. But how do you prioritize a whole country. I'm david brancaccio. Let's update the closely. Watched vote for or against a union at an amazon warehouse in alabama. The news agency. Reuters is reporting that roughly five hundred ballots admitted may well have been challenged marketplaces or abuses monitoring this. When it comes to organize. This is a really important election. Amazon is one of the biggest companies in the country and this alabama facility could become the online retailers. I organize workplace in the united states. The national labor relations board and el arbi has more than a thousand ballots left to count and the retail wholesale and department store. Union is asking the nlrb to look at amazon's conduct during the election conduct. In what way well. There claims amazon held mandatory meetings to discourage workers from voting for unionization and that it improperly pushed the us postal service to install a mailbox at the facility amazon has said the mailbox was installed to make voting easy. The challenged ballots are being examined for tampering eligibility and other issues. The vote counting is such a resume today. Any idea where things stand with only about half the votes counted. It's still too early to determine what may happen. It's the same as watching any other election results. Come in you can talk all about what the early returns mean. but it isn't over until every vote is counted. Erica thank you as we over the last week. Let's rest on a call. Let's call it a disconnect or a paradox. The surprisingly strong hiring report from one week ago covering march versus this week's numbers on people drawing unemployment when you factor in the expanded pool of people eligible for unemployment benefits during pandemic this includes part timers self employed people in gig economy workers. The number is stubbornly high on fridays. We check in. With christopher lowe the chief economist. Fhm financial in new york. When you add all the numbers up there are still seventeen. And a half million people receiving unemployment benefit and just to put that into perspective at the peak of the great recession back in two thousand nine. The top number receiving benefits was seven million so more than twice that still collecting unemployment. So last friday's strong seeming employment report. We shouldn't get too carried away. Well that's right and it's really important to understand the employment report doesn't capture everybody. It misses particularly people who were working in the lowest paid industries because many of those are in fact falling under the self employment or part-time categories. And it's clear there are millions and millions of people still out of work until we can fully reopen the economy. We need to worry about that. They need to be taken care of curse low chief economist. Fhm financial thank you so much. Thank you david. The new york. London air route is one of the busiest in the world and with vaccinations well underway. Many americans might be thinking about vacations over there but the british government today said not so fast my marketplace colleague. The bbc's victoria. Craig has more from london. May seventeenth is the earliest possible date. International travel will resume here in britain but even if travelers are allowed in and out a number of restrictions will still remain in place. I a traffic light system will categorize countries based on risk but an official list hasn't yet been released second all passengers. Even in green listed nations will be required to take a pcr corona virus test before they travel and once they arrive. Those costs as much as one hundred sixty dollars each in. It's a price tag. The travel industry says is too high. Here's johan lundgren. The boss of british discount carrier. Easyjet the consequences. Of course that this outs cost and it risks reverse the clock. We're flying as being for wealthy people who just can afford to paint this to that. Uk transport secretary grant shop says he wants to lower the cost and has vowed to work with private companies who make the tests to make them more affordable if they don't he threatened to drop them from britain's recommended supplier list in london. I'm the bbc's victoria craig. For marketplace this marketplace podcast is supported by spoke yo fortune five hundred executives and top leaders use boko to supercharge their personal and professional lives with big data now marketplace listeners can to find insights on people that traditional search engines. Can't give you develop new business. Socialize smarter and research. New contacts with data driven decision making visit spoke yo dot com slash podcast to get over thirty five percent off of the premium. People incites sweet up your game with big data up your game with spoke. Oh we have. Seen the biden. administration's infrastructure plan and the sales campaign has begun. There's so much there. Including hardening and greening the energy grid and the plan calls for fixing twenty thousand miles of roads and ten thousand bridges. President biden said last week list include the ten most economically significant bridges in the country in need of reconstruction. Now you may have some guesses on this but so far. The crucial bridges have not been named marketplace's matt levin has been poking around when president biden made his big speech last week in pittsburgh he meet this top ten list. Sound pretty urgent. Ten was economically significant bridge with more commerce. Going to cross that need to be replaced so Which are the ten bridges. I should avoid. I would it be hard pressed to find temperatures. I would have probably fifty one hundred finalists right. Oh perfect marie lehmann with the american society of civil engineers. According to their infrastructure report card about forty six thousand bridges across the country are in bad shape. They're part of a national traffic jam. The cost the us tens of billions in lost productivity each year but the bridge is most likely to make the list the most poor condition the most amount of traffic the heaviest truck volumes on it. And then it's critical for interstate traffic if you're listening in southwest ohio or northern kentucky and tuned into the local news lately you're probably nodding your head eagerly right. Now you normally take the brent spence bridge to get to work you have to find an alternate route starting tonight half of the lanes. We'll be closed both top and bottom good times. The brent spence bridge spans the ohio river connecting kentucky and cincinnati. It was declared functionally obsolete in the nineties. Paul lewis with the center for transportation in washington. Dc think-tank he says. The brent spence occupies a special place among the constituents of senate minority leader mitch mcconnell just like the bad bridges on i ninety five in pennsylvania matter a lot democratic senator bob casey's voters perhaps that's why they didn't name which of the ten bridges are are actually going in there because it's not just a decision making process from a need standpoint but there's also a political component to that includes environmental politics. The president also wants to go big on electric vehicles again re leeman with the american society of civil engineers or we get into electric vehicles and storage. They're heavier if you do that on the truck. It's a lot heavier. So you gotta think about all those things as you move forward because when you build a bridge you wanted to be there. Fifty to one hundred years you can add something called flash to concrete to make it stronger in withstand all those e v trucks the only problem flashes a byproduct of burning coal. Good times in sacramento. I'm matt levin for marketplace are executive producers nicole childers or digital producers. Alex schroeder engineers. Brian allison and jc bold. It's the morning report from apm american public media.

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Representing Your Interests and Bakery Update

The Solidarity Podcast by Teamsters Local 769

16:27 min | 1 year ago

Representing Your Interests and Bakery Update

"Hey Folks Bez here. Let me begin this episode which drops towards the end of black history month. Twenty twenty with a quote from Frederick Douglass from eighteen fifty seven. If there is no struggle there is no progress. He spoke these words on August third. Eighteen fifty seven during a speech in New York on twenty third anniversary of the west Indian emancipation. He went on to say later that this struggle may be a moral one or it may be a physical one and it may both moral and physical but it must be a struggle power concedes nothing without demand it never did and never will hello brothers and sisters. This is the solidarity podcast from teamsters local seven six nine. I'm Brian Busby Eddie. But everybody calls me says we have an info rich episode lined up for you this month in this episode. You'll hear a negotiations update from the bakery division news of some Shenanigans in Tallahassee and a victory in the house in Washington all of this and more along with news from our most recent general membership meeting. So we're glad you joined us. Knowledge is power if you or your co workers find it hard to make it to a regular meetings. This is where you can learn what you missed and more. Make sure that you encourage your brothers and sisters to listen and subscribe to the podcast and helped bring everyone up to speed. We WanNa make sure. All of our members are empowered to face challenges. Both on and off the job. We'd love to hear your feedback as well so reach out to us on social media. Email us at podcast at teamsters local seven six nine dot org or call our solidarity podcast voicemail line at seven eight six four five six seven nine three six and we may even use your audio in the show. We appreciate you taking some time to learn about our union. So let's get to the news on February six twenty twenty the US House of Representatives passed the protecting the right to organize act of two thousand nineteen also known as the Pro Act or HR twenty four seventy four. In one opinion piece on the hill. It was described as one of the most significant pieces of labor legislation to come before Congress in years. Among other things the proactive would make it substantially easier for workers to form and join unions and for those unions to negotiate meaningful contracts with employers by extending rights to workers who have been excluded from the reach of labor law and introducing real penalties for businesses. That break those laws. When Workers Attempt to organize a union companies would be required to bargain in good faith with labor unions and it would reinforce a union's right to use the most powerful weapon they have to strike against their employers. The PRO act would also help to end employee misclassification such as those with X. P. O. Were they have repeatedly insisted that port truck drivers who work for them are actually contractors not employees and thus are not entitled to even the minimum wage never mind benefits or workers. Compensation workers demand to be treated with respect and dignity in the workplace and this legislation would allow that to happen now. It's up to the Senate where COMPANION BILL S Thirteen O. Six has been introduced but is unlikely to move forward without extreme pressure. We'll keep you posted on the progress of this important legislation and follow us on social media or our website for ways you can help on Wednesday February nineteenth. We celebrated the forty fifth anniversary of the winegarden decision on that day in nineteen seventy five the. Us Supreme Court ruled in favor of sales clerk. Laura Collins and her union the retail clerks in our be versus J. Winegarden Inc the case establishing that workers have a right to request the presence of their union steward. If they believe they are to be disciplined for a workplace infraction. Keep in mind. Winegarden rights extend to units operating under the NLRB and not the Railway Labor Act and our final news story of this episode. The new teamsters local seven six nine mobile APP is nearing the end of its Beta testing phase and will soon be released to all members stewards at numerous companies were asked to download and test the APP during the past month and the reactions have been positive if you are a seven six nine shop steward. Ask Your agent about it and if you are a member the launch date will be announced. Soon we'll be back after this fellow. Teamsters Mark Your calendars our annual. Teamsters local seven six nine. South Picnic is scheduled for Saturday October. Twenty Four Twenty. Twenty at twelve noon. It will be held at our usual location in Markham Park located in Sunrise Florida. Just off of the I. Five Ninety five in Fort Lauderdale good food and great beer for the adults treats and fun activities for the kids from bounce houses to a rock climbing wall. Come enjoy a full day of fun with your teamster brothers and sisters from all over South Florida as always our picnic is free to members of teamsters local seven six nine and their immediate families. Admission price for a guest is ten dollars per adult than five dollars per child. Remember to bring dry nonperishable foods for our food drive benefiting feeding south Florida for updates and more information on this event and everything related to teamsters local seven six nine follow us on any of our social media pages or visit teamsters local seven six nine dot org slash solidarity time and again. We mentioned politics here on the solidarity podcast and before any of you tune out. I wanted to bring to your attention. The subject of our main story. I mentioned some shenanigans in Tallahassee at the top of the show and I'd like to take a moment to explain how our elected representatives have our union in their crosshairs up in our state capital. We have long known the challenges of living in a right to work state. But that isn't enough for some of our Anti Union. Legislators they clearly will not rest until they have taken all of your collective power from you. Josh village had more at a recent general membership meeting. We've had folks going to Tallahassee. John Kinsella went Andy. Madison up there. Right now Aldea's who's a steward from city of Fort Lauderdale Steve went up. Chuck told me went up. The legislature in Tallahassee as usual has their slew of Anti Union Bills. That are out there. Things that will undo from Tallahassee things that What we call a preemption bill which will do things like the Living Wage Ordinance in Miami Dade County which is important to a lot of our low wage folks. That would just make that totally illegal okay if the the far right within the Florida legislature gets their way. They'll be able to do that. Okay luckily we do have some friends. On both sides of the Aisle Democrats and Republicans were working with trying to get legislation like that killed the other one. That's a big one is House bill one which we talk lot about politics and if this is old hat. I apologize but it's important to discuss this house. Bill one is for our public sector members. Anybody that's employees city coral gables city of Key West Monroe County City of Fort Lauderdale. We have over a thousand members in our local alone that are public employees for whatever reasons the Florida legislature wants to dabble in their relationship with their union and mandate that. If you WANNA be a member of your union have your dues deducted. You have to sign a new union card every single year. Okay that may not sound like that's the big of a deal but the additional move on this is that then the employer at that municipality whether it be a city or county. The employer has to verify that that is that employees signature. The only goal of this is to reduce our membership. The only the only goal of that is to hurt our pocketbooks into not be able to fight. Cases take cases to arbitration. It's an anti union bill incident anti-worker Bill. It's going to pass the Florida House with flying colors. Unfortunately and we're hoping we're going to kill it in the Florida Senate okay. We do have some friends in particular a committee chairman in the State Senate that we think will kill this bill. But that's gotta be. We've got to start thinking about this when we go to the ballot box right. It gets old me saying this stuff. You hearing it from us. You got to take a look at how these folks vote. Why would we vote for people that want hurt working people? We can't do it okay. So that's that's that's what's going on in Tallahassee. We will keep you posted on the status of these attacks on our union. And if you can help we will certainly call on you to reach out to your elected. Representatives some of whom are clearly not representing your interests as always subscribe to this podcast. Our website or any of our social media pages look for more details at www dot teamsters local seven six nine dot org slash solidarity. We'll be right back. He teamster members. Are you aware of all the benefits of your teamster membership? You're teamster privilege entitles you to members only savings on everything from renting a car to sending a bouquet of flowers all teamster members and their immediate families are eligible to receive savings on legal services entertainment discounts car and truck rental discounts. Credit counseling flower and gift basket discounts and interstate moving discounts for more information on these and other benefits to your teamster membership visit. Teamsters local seven six nine dot org slash solidarity and Click on the benefits tab on the right side of the page next here. We are joined by our bakery and laundry business agent and member of the Policy Committee. David renshaw give us some industry news. Hey Brian how you doing good good David Good. Good thank you. Yeah wanted to give you an update as I have the pleasure of Representing all of the bakery and laundry with our division and Just kind of backtrack within that division. There's approximately eighty thousand members that we represent Throughout the United States in different divisions In classifications within the bakery and laundry and Kind of a tidbit. If you will The Bakery and laundry conference is the oldest conference under the umbrella of the teamsters really international. Yes yes Pretty good fun fact. They've been Baking the bread and delivering the Pastries for quite a long time. Yes you have. An update from the conference itself Not Necessarily update from the conference itself. But I do have a local update. We are in ongoing negotiations of one of our long standing shops in. That's intimate doughnuts. Okay those nice chocolate donuts. We all like at the grocery store right. They are actually owned by Bimbo Bakery. So we are currently in negotiations We do represent the intimates drivers throughout multiple counties including all the way up the middle of Florida okay. So it's all one collective bargaining agreement for all those regions. Gotcha we have had multiple sessions With the Labor Relations and we've had some good discussions and some good tentative agreements on non economics. Okay are getting ready to continue our negotiations. Next week's which is the tail end of February to continue our ongoing discussions pertaining to economics. Good as of now Our agenda is being addressed and things are proceeding as planned. There's always some unforeseen bumps in the road right negotiations but It's a good solid. Group of some of these drivers have been delivering our bread and donut and pastry products We have drivers that have been doing it for above twenty five plus years. That's great you know. One of the benefits. They always talk about not only being a part of a union. Is the pension plan that they have. And they have a a good lucrative secured pension plan And it spits gives them something to work for and right there quite a few must be getting close to yes and some of them are exercising now and it's They're they're happy they put in those hours. Yes absolutely and they put in some different hours. those Roy Moore's representatives. It's not uncommon that they would start at one o'clock in the morning right right out to the grocery stores before they open that is that is it before they even open for us so no. It's a good group a lot of senior folks that have been doing it for quite some time and they take a lot of pride in the in the product that we take a lot of bride to eat in maybe a little too much So look forward to giving you an additional update of we are hoping for a tentative agreement as an entirety and bring it up for Ratification through the rank and file. When's your next scheduled? Dawn negotiations our next scheduled. Negotiations is for the tail end of February. Which would be next week? Okay great so we'll look forward to some update absolutely. Thanks for having me. Great David thanks again. Good stuff special. Thanks this month. Goes to David Renshaw and be sure to check out our newly redesigned website at www dot teamsters local seven six nine dot org for more information on any of the information contained in this episode. And as always teamsters local seven six nine solidarity. Podcast is produced by the officers and staff of local seven. 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President Bidens Inauguration and Executive Actions

The Politics Guys

1:23:00 hr | 3 months ago

President Bidens Inauguration and Executive Actions

"Short with back and look into politics. Guys place for bipartisan. Rational and civil based on american politics policy. I'm michael baranovsky. I replogle science at northern kentucky university. I'm joined today by my conservative. Counterpart cleveland area attorney jay carson. Good morning mike. hey jay. how're you doing while. I'm feeling like a there was a headline that that read. I can't claim this for myself but It's it's the morning after in america. You go there you go. Yeah i am feeling as if a certain weight has lifted. We will be talking about that. I am. I am sure but before we do get to our nanny topics of discussion for today. We want to thank our newest patriot. Supporters jonathan david andrews surena keenan lee. Jodie marie woody emily matthew patrick and derek as well as joshua maggie sydney an joshu increased their patriots support for us. We really appreciate that as well as some new pay pal supporters edwin and very generous contribution from kelly. 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The first inauguration not attended by the outgoing president in one hundred and fifty two years so j. What did you think about Well let's start with the inauguration ceremonies and then you know maybe move into president biden's inaugural address. So you know. I would say this is me speaking as a conservative republican. I think for the most part he he hit all the right tones in in the ceremony. And and truth be told. I didn't watch the whole ceremony. Just because i don't wanna got a day job but No i think it was was generally well. Well done well put together. I think there was a i. Think the nod to the lives lost in from covid Was was appropriate. I think in in some ways. I mean this this allowed Sort of a better easier less spectacular if you will inauguration just because you know the the crowd's going to be limited the security it was going to be limited both because cova concerns and and security concerns so generally i if we're looking at the overall production value of the show. I was was good on the the speech itself. I posted In our discord group. I think Really pretty quickly. After i thought i thought was was very good i think again. He hit all the right notes and he delivery. I think was was good. Also i mean there has been a lingering concern of of joe biden. Still have it and my my sense is that yeah. He delivered on on this speech. I mean you can if you wanna get into particulars or if you wanna give your overall view before we hit particulars. We can do that with your overall. Well i liked it i absolutely. I absolutely liked it. You know. I think the certainly it's a marked contrast to president trump's inaugural address the american carnage address. After which former president george w bush was reported to have said. That was some weird shit. You know pretty normal right. And i think the main theme of this one democracy has prevailed and the main policy themes in there where things that i would have expected. You know first and foremost as you mentioned the focused on the pandemic racial justice climate change and white nationalism. And those were things that i would have expected. President biden a hit and he did and there were many many calls for unity calls to respect the truth. And you know i'm i'm for. I'm for all that stuff. So yeah i. I felt it was a great address. Not the not the white supremacists. What's that yes. I thank you else so to be clear just to be clear on that. Yes so So yeah i don't. I don't think it's going to make any sort of a difference that the idea that we have presidential honeymoons anymore. I think has gone by the wayside certain way but it was the sort of address that i would have expected. And that's exactly what we know. Exactly what we got what i would say one of the reasons i i liked. It actually was maybe one of the reasons that you seem to like it. More my sense was there. There was not a ton of policy stuff in there which i think was appropriate because a look in an inaugural. It's it's not a state of the union right. it's not. Here's this program that program it's it's broader themes and it is more aspirational of of what we can do. As as a people and unity. And i i really think the unity message was particularly important. Now i mean more than ever. This is that to me if you wanna take out all the other actual issues before our country. That's that's the big one right. And i think he hit the right notes that something else that that struck me was the the frequent mentions of god and Prayer at which more so than you've seen in Any pass nargile. That i can. I can remember even going back to say ronald reagan and this struck me. And i think this was would be reassuring a lot of conservatives who who see Sort of the the left as a If if not anti-religious. Than at least sort of scoffing and there was it reassured. A lot of americans that that biden did not view them as someone who's bitterly clinging to their religion. I and i think that's that's that's really important in national healing. I think it's important in a bigger more philosophical way and so on the one house that look it's good politics but i think there's also something to be said of of everything we've been through in the last year and regardless of one's religious beliefs or lack of religious beliefs. I there's a lesson in humility. there's only so much anyone can do. There's only a you know there are a lot of big problems that can't be solved by legislation or executive order or prevented by a legislation or executive order and acknowledging some higher power. There's some humility to that right that it's it's some things are out of our hands and we we seek the the ability to do the best. We can Where we are so i. I liked all that part of it. The start afresh again. That was a welcome statement right that it's not about seeking revenge over Now we'll we'll get into this later but you know it troubles me a little bit at one of the first places you wanted to start a fresh. It was at the general counsel's office but That's you know. That's that's that's a different sort of a piece. So but it. But generally i would i give them an a. All right wow one. I'm hardened to hear that. Certainly and again. I have some. I have some issues coming up with what he actually did. Sure after that. And that and that is my mic away from well i think a call for unity does not mean a call to just sort of give in to what the other side's policy preferences are certainly and that's why i think i again i. I think it's it's good that you felt that this was a good address. And you know kind of return this sort of normalcy that that sort of thing but but also i think from a practical standpoint it. It doesn't necessarily have much of an effect and that's that's too bad. President biden said the to look to listen to him to hear him out to to look into his heart or something like that. And i just don't think that unfortunately really happens. There are too many people who are undecided. At this point who are willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt weather that would have been president trump or president. Because that's the america we live in now. And that's that's unfortunate but i would. I would disagree. I think i think there are people out there. Look i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but You know look Inauguration speeches are aspirational and they. Are you know to some extent. Soft and fuzzy. It's it's not hard policy stuff So it depends on what happens next as to whether whether we view this speech as hey this was a a really moment of unity or it was just a you know saying the right things. Yeah i i mean i will say something that you know for two to jump ahead a little bit and and this will probably erase all the good points. I just earned with our our liberal listeners. Struck me was as he is speaking about You know god and starting afresh. And all this i and speaking these these really great words of unity and we're not enemies a at that same moment the the letters are being delivered to the place and saying get out of here by two o'clock or you're fired and those like you don't want the nlrb general counsel to be someone who's aggressively anti-labour. How do i get that. I get that but again this is someone who is. This is the first time in in forty seven years. This is ever happened and say what you will about donald trump. But he didn't do that. This is someone who still at ten months to to serve He had been confirmed by the senate but no the image. I sort of played in my head. It's sort of like michael corleone. The baptism right. I mean he's you. Reject satan and all his works then cuts to the so you saying what. President binded was unconstitutional or authority. I see it as authority in in as to the council. I think there's a. I think there's a good question on that i don't. I don't think it exceeded authority as to the Cfp be appointment. I think he does have authority to set is much. Yeah so i so. I think it's a little bit of a different situation. Where you have someone who is a senate confirmation and as has been confirmed for a certain term. I i would agree. Look and i've said this before in the trump administration. I'll say it again. Now that i think president certainly has the right and really the obligation to to put in his own team right. That's if we're gonna have representative democracy. That's that's how it works. And and the executive needs to be able to have his own policy people in these these key places that said where there's where there are limitations than you know than they those respected and again to me. It's maybe the timing is a little bit. you know this. This is the the first day you know you. Literally as he's being sworn in priority that that strikes me as being perhaps inconsistent with hearing everyone out and you know. I you know the the unity that we talked about well again. I think unity and hearing it went out. There's a there's a record of behavior and under under donald trump the nfl r b basically was as eager as it could possibly be to roll over the business and ensure that you know labor relations meant capitulating to the interests of business. And and that's you know that's I would say what the republican party believes. Not because they hate workers but just because they tend to see unions organizing as as a bad thing that hurts almost everyone whereas we on the left see unions organizing an incredibly important force for you know and so and so in that sense. I don't i don't see it. Certainly not a not putting a hit out. Wanted to just saying. Hey you know we're we're going to take care of labor because we believe we believe in that. And we're not gonna have somebody a general counsel nlrb who was anti-labour and if certainly if if he wants to challenge that remove. I don't think he actually is doing so. He hasn't yet. it remains to be seen. It is a it is. It is a gray area whether or not he can be removed. I think at this point nights. There's certainly not a a clear statutory authority to do that sort of thing. Yeah i'd agree on that. But i i'm just saying again. In contrast to the message of in let's let's couplings apart. The nfl are be is is a Sort of semiautonomous organization rain and it has a number of of commissioners who are appointed by various presidents approved by congress over the years. It's it's like the federal reserve right. It's it's semi-autonomous so it's the general counsel doesn't set policy for the for the it's an. He's an employee. So i mean. I think that's that's a distinction worth making and and you know the an rb. Makeup has to do with folks who had been appointed over the years. There was a dust up during the obama administration where He appointed tried to appoint Some extra commissioners While the as he said. The senate wasn't recess. The the problem was the senate was not in recess. So i mean. I'm just saying if i may Conservative out there. And i listen to the speech and say let's start afresh. We're going to have unity and we're gonna work together. We're not enemies And then fifteen minutes later It's you know this guy gets the note saying clear out your desk in an hour and a half or you're fired. Those messages seem to be the one could be. You can understand why some might see some inconsistency in in that message as opposed as opposed to list as opposed to the the more typical message of listen well for one thing. This guy had a term right. This is a term that goes through another ten months. Well and that's let let. Let's be clear on that. This is the gray area here because there is the supreme court precedent. Suggesting a statutory statutorily. I can say the word it's early for me. Fixed-term is is a limit on that person's length of service but not necessarily a limit on the president's authority to remove that person in fact even John roberts back when he was white house counsel or associate counsel sorry said that his in his view that the president had every right to remove the general counsel at the vienna. Larbi because that person serve at the pleasure of the president and so that's that's alive argument. Yeah exactly exactly but i. I hear a lot not too often. I hear what you're saying. Not org arguing. The legal point here. Arguing with the optics. Yeah i hear what you're saying. I think the optics are only gonna matter. I mean this is not this is not a high profile sort of thing right the only people who actually let me mix it all the more telling but go ahead. I'm saying the only people who would even know about this sort of thing are the people who are already pretty. I think so high information people who already have their minds more or less you know made up. I mean let's recall. I mean you said you're you're gonna you're willing to give. Joe biden the benefit of the doubt. But i don't really think that means anything and the reason why because just a couple of months ago you essentially said that joe biden was the road the socialism. I mean more or less and so giving everything has has has raised my concerns. You know again. i'm not. I'm not that may well be the case. So i'm saying give him the benefit of the doubt but can you. Maybe it would help if you could explain to me. What what that means to you in practice by saying giving somebody the benefit of the doubt. I'm not maybe i'm misunderstanding. So i i would say to me that means i am going to start with the assumption That he is intends to act. Not in a purely partisan manner But act For the best interest of the country as he sees it And in doing so. I mean consistent with his speech You can have political adversaries. But they're not necessarily your enemies It is not a matter of denigrating were or destroying your your opponents It's a matter of policy difference and just on this this little. Nrp example. i think you can. You know away that that could have been handled. You could have sent a letter saying listen. I'm the new president. I don't think our views are consistent. I'd ask that know. I'd like to have my own counsel installed. They're here is the the precedent on which would be relying in doing so. I'd appreciate it if you could give two weeks notice So i can start moving forward with us. That's that's a different kind of message than get out within an hour or you're fired. Okay so i mean i think. That's that's what i'm saying. Is i fully route. Respect the president's ability to pick his own people and like. I said. I think that's an important part of democracy but that's not unreasonable. I see what you're saying because it was. It was a sort of a a very quick ultimatum. Saying yeah if you don't if you don't quit today you'll you'll be fired so so sure i. Yeah i just could have been made to say. Hey you know take take a few weeks that sort of thing and it's not like as you pointed out it's the it's the general council. It's not a policy position per se. So yeah i think you're right on that and i'll i'll sort of. I won't say have retract. my. I don't know if i've got being pugnacious but yeah i think you're right on that i think the same same way with the cfp. Right and again i. It's it's just a matter of if we are going to. You know to quote lincoln right that we've moved forward with with malice toward none and charity for all. Well they see that right. do i say that. is it the other way around. That's right but but but to see if things a little bit different. Because i mean there's a pretty clear statutory stetch policy making. I absolutely agree with the the statutory because this is something that that trump fought right. I mean the the issue. Last time was the head of the f. b. b. richard cordray stepped down and trump tried to appoint someone the cfpb said. No we're going to appoint our own person which is if you think about it. Really kind of kind of ludicrous. But not chris. I'm going to push back on that night ludicrous. because it wasn't open question. Given the given how the legislation how the enabling legislation for the cfpb was written and the court actually concluded that there was a there was a defect in in that in that language. And so but saying that. it's ludicrous. i think would be going too far. Let me back then. How about instead of ludicrous. Let me say inconsistent with the principles that i just chunk set forth about the that in in our government you know throughout these various agencies There ought to be some sort of political accountability. Eventually whether that's with you know congress who appoints or dismisses where president who appoints than an agency. You can't just run. its own. Show independent of congress or the presidency Yeah but my point. My point isn't To whether he has the power not to do it. Because i think he absolutely does. But the if you're going to handle at the manor which it's it's being handled in this case the the head of the cfpb. Did you know step aside and said yeah absolutely jogo hadn't and appoint you're on person. You know one other thing. I wanted to mention something that didn't happen. There was a lot of word that or concern that there would be these big protested state capitals which were seen as much softer targets in a way not protected by massive show of force at the nation's capital and yet that fizzle about as badly as any of those things. There are some instances where i think in in sacramento and albany. There was like one guy who was there with zayn. And and i'm wondering i mean it was. It was sort of a happily. You know you could be happy at how pitiful that was but it also some people might say well. What does that mean about. White nationalist extremism is it. You know is it as big of a deal. Do we need to worry about this. Sort of domestic terrorism. And i wanted to get your take on that because of course you know our our state capitol here. Columbus was one of those places that there was thought to be the threat of some sort of real action and like in pretty much everywhere else. It just didn't happen. Gutty america that goofball show. So i mean look this is kinda where i've i've always been on this this whole big You know outright white supremacy question is there just. Aren't that many of them out there. And i really think am i. This goes back way. Way back when you and i went to protest the clan in washington and this was twenty five years ago now Thirty years ago now god. It's not even think about how many years ago but there was the idea. The clan is watching. Mike and i were both students living in washington at the time and it. We're going to go down there and tell these guys they weren't welcome and also part of it was we were young and we're just there for the spectacle and it all turns out. I mean there were there were. I don't know thousands tens of thousands of protesters anti pro anti klan protesters and maybe about a half dozen clansman actually showed up. We never actually saw any actual clansman same thing has happened in other. Those kind of marches protests and there were some in columbus Back when i work there and the typical result was you got just literally a handful of of these folks who are going out and showed up charlottesville which was the big unite. The rights Big big piece of this if you if you go back and look at the actual numbers they when when you look at big mass movements in mass marches they. Aren't that big. I mean it's not to say this is insignificant. Right if you have you know a thousand people who are who are angry. Violent white supremacists. That's that's one thousand too many in any given place but but it's not. It's not for example. The you know the the films that you see from like the nineteen twenty s of the clan marching washington of tens of thousands of these folks. The same goes for the the the insurrection of two weeks ago. there were certainly people among that crowd and among the people smashing into the capital who were white supremacists. There were also a whole bunch. Were crazy queuing nonbelievers. They were there are a bunch of i think folks who are just just not there were some who are angry over over any any number of issues and the left has this this instinct to paint everything and and as a white supremacy play. This is racism and for. I don't know for a number of reasons. one is that it sells politically. But i don't think that's the case. And i think sometimes Particularly as we're looking at at the trump Trump voters that's That that's been a weakness right it sort of the hillary deplorable sort of thing. If you just write off all these people is just crazy. White supremacists I think you're really missing something. And i think the actual number of rural white supremacists out. There are fairly few and far between again. That's not to say that that number is zero or that. It's it's acceptable in in any way shape or form. But i i. Don't you know there was such this idea of this is a white takeover push kind of thing and i just don't think that that jibes with the facts. Well i hear what you're saying. And i think it is important not to lump everyone under one label but i also think that as you point out some of the people who are the most extreme and the most dangerous even if there are a handful of them. That's a handful too many saw. What happened in michigan before this. And and you know the capital there and the plot to the the plot to kidnap and do harm to the missions michigan's governor and this and so you know even of course in the trump administration's own Homeland security department said that white extremism white. Nationalism is the greatest domestic threat to the homeland. And it's clear that president biden in the biden administration is taking that very seriously not just rhetorically in the inaugural address but also in order to really ramp up investigations of this sort of thing because it is even though i agree with you. It's certainly a very tiny number of people given the size of the country but they can certainly do an awful lot of damage. And i think it's good that we're going to see a serious focus on that right and i would compare it and all of this i mean. Let's let's look at islamic fundamentalism Terrorist right and and to say that There are islamic fundamentalist terrorists in his country. Yes that's absolutely true. Is there a large rowing of them. no it's it's It's people here and there at small cells. Those are absolutely dangerous and they need to be investigated and shut shutdown and the same goes for white. Supremacist domestic terrorists. So i i guess that's sort of you know i can draw a line between people who are truly criminals and criminal intent versus a lot of folks who are just kind of angry and disaffected Yeah i agree. I agree so it sounds like we're we're more or less on on the same page on this. I would say yeah ok well on that. Let's just take a quick break and then we will be right back and talk about joe. Biden's not his words but his excecutive actions. I remember back. When i was in my late twenties and i began to notice the first signs of hair loss. It really surprised me indefinitely. Not in a good way you know. Almost nobody is hoping to go ball but the fact is that two out of three guys will experience. Some form of male pattern baldness by the time. They're just thirty five and the best time to take action is before your hairline. Looks like some sort of sad little peninsula in a barren scalps gape thankfully. Now there's keeps the simple and easy way to keep your hair with keeps. 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Don't pandemic response immigration and border security climate. Lgbtq writes the standard freeze of all pending regulations by the previous administration. And i thought the place we could start is the main focus of executive action so far and that's pandemic response. There were a bunch of orders in this area from president biden. Include things like masks on all federal property federal workers and contractors maps their ports expanding testing increasing treatment access data collection guidance on reopening and keeping worker save using the defense production act fill supply shortfalls bringing the us back in the world health organization creating a national covert response coordinator extending those addiction in foreclosure moratoriums extending the federal student loan repayment pause increasing food aid and that commitment to one hundred million shots in one hundred days which looks to be pretty much on track at this point. There's a lot there. j. So what to start with your general reaction to the covid related executive orders. Well i i would say as you might expect some of those. I like better than others. I'm sure some of them. I think are are really sort of symbolic as opposed to accomplish anything. My my sense is that most federal building. The most federal property people were already required to wear masks. Know just by the building by the state order by. But as you know if you've got an executive order that that sends a message to although there was a really fun exchange with Press secretary jen. Jen psaki later in the week. regarding that but things like the eviction moratorium. I i was. I didn't like it when trump did it and i. I'm not crazy about it now. Just because i don't know that that's within the president power of the president to unilaterally suspend contracts for people you know across the country nationwide and i'm not arguing that it's bad policy but but my point is i don't know that that's something that President can you just do stroke of a pan more something. That's being donder public health shirt and their public health emergency powers right which which again to me. Kind of it's i think it's i think it's a stretch and i don't think it will really be challenged right but nonetheless. Look if you're if you're somebody like me who who thinks a lot about. What can the government do. And what can it do. I think it's a. It's an important question that's it i. I would agree. That state governments could could certainly do that. State courts could do that. But that's another that's another issue on the a million shots and so many days i That strikes me as one of those sort of aspirational orders of okay. Well i'll i'll you know the president can't just order things into reality can set goals and hopefully that that happens if it doesn't. I'm not sure what the consequences would be. And he's getting some pushback for making that goal not ambitious because right now it seems like well yeah. We're pretty much on track for that. So why not increase it on. I think because if you don't if you don't if you get the million charge you can there you go. Yeah yeah absolutely and say. Look i did it. I said i wanted a million shots. Sign the sign the order million shots and again you know so so i look at those things as i don't think there was ever an earning sense of You know let's let's slow down the shots beforehand so regardless on on on some of the other issues again i. I don't have a big you know. There's no real objection to be. Had a lot of stuff that was was being done already so on the coded front i. I don't have a lot to complain about her argue about other than what i just pointed out with the rental thing i think. Some of this is outside of the health. Power of the Of the president but at to me this is what a real national response looks like and it would have been great to see something like this. You know eight ten eleven months ago And so better late than never i suppose. Certainly it's pretty clear that that joe biden in the biden administration treat this with all the seriousness that it deserves to be treated with. And that's of course in marked contrast to the previous administration at least at the very top where the president was. Well he he. He was who he was on that on that issue. And so you had. You had dr fauci a few days ago. Saying it's kind of nice to be able to say what i say. Say what i think. Science says as opposed to feeling like. I'm being you know squelch. And and that sort of thing and so i i certainly applaud. This and i think this is particularly important given that it seems very likely that we're going to hit. No half a million deaths from kovic within the next month or so we've already surpassed that four hundred thousand and and to me this goes and we'll talk about this if not on this show on the on the bonus show about the trump record and for all the good that some people may argue. He's done in some areas. I wouldn't be one of those people. But i know some people can make a not unreasonable argument about that. I would say when you look at the covid response and united states compared to other rich developed countries. It just. it's it's grim. You know what really is in-depth per capita where the eleventh worst in the world right there between north macedonia and bulgaria You know Fifth worse of the thirty seven oecd countries. You know compare us to say canada which is fifty second worst. That's more where you wanna be and cases per capita. Were really bad so and you know not. All of that is part of that is Something's things like population density and so forth. Oh two and when. You're absolutely but i don't think there's anyone who would realistically look at the response by the trump administration and say job job. Well done fellas you know folks. And so i'm i'm really happy that the biden administration is doing what they're doing and i think it's going to matter. I think it's going to save lives somebody. I didn't mention a second ago. Were other things that that you had mentioned about guidance to schools and so forth that Again i wouldn't put that in the category of I'm not it's a little troubling In terms of i guess is this is a i think. There's there's a very good argument that kids should be back in school as soon as possible given the relatively low risk of transmission and serious consequences of the kids versus the the high risk of being out of school both educationally socially and for a lot of those students who who depend on schools for for a variety of of other services and are are not well equipped at home to to learn at And so agrees with you and that. And that's you know. Part of the part of the push there also is that push toward increased. Testing certainly is going to help. And so i think getting i think everyone just about everyone agrees on the importance of opening schools and having school for in person learning as as soon as is possibly not everyone but most. That's why i said almost some some teachers unions that would disagree with a quite vociferously on on that. I don't think they disagree on that. I think they would disagree on what constitutes a safe environment fair enough so so yeah but why don't we. Why don't we move on because it seems like you have some niggles on this and you know issues about state park for the most part you looked at the president's actions on covert and you're like okay. That's that's a good summer all right. So let's move on to immigration and the The president's actions on immigration include rescinding the border wall emergency halting new construction op. Preserving and fortifying daca i. We'll talk about that. I'm sure ordering that. All residents of the united states regardless of citizenship status be counted by the census which is what has been done in the past but anyway let's see what else ending. Discriminatory travel bans on entry to the united states. And the big one here introducing buddy creating other travel bans when book to that introducing legislation that provides enhanced border security infrastructure in in line with. And here's the big part legal status in the path the citizenship for the ten half million or so undocumented immigrants cranley living in united states so i get the sense. I'm betting j. They're going to be some things. We're going to disagree on a little bit more here. So what what's your take on the patterns. Look look what. I disagree with some of these. From a policy perspective yes church but but the executive order giveth and executive order taketh away. At least that used to be the way it was Than i think it probably should go back to that the normalcy of it but so the the The travel ban from certain countries Is your call. I was never a particularly big fan of that. In the first place In terms of of its efficacy my sense when trump did it was. It was sort of political capital right to do that right out of the gate so i even on policy grounds have a big issue with that. No not not terribly. Do i have an issue with the border wall funding again Data whatever policy difference on. Because i think border security is important. And i think it's going to be much more important if we're going to have a path to citizenship. I think it's sort of what you know the cynical known to a path assistant. Jeff is you have to secure the border. And this is the argument that that People have been having since the eighties. Right as you know can i think there are plenty of republicans who support a path to citizenship. But i would say let's secure the border because otherwise it it just isn't going to work and and there is a a caravan on the way from guatemala. Right now that all the caravans. Yeah you know. I'm not making this up. It is and biden said. Hey hey guys stay. Stay where you are until we get this worked out now. That's that's exactly my you know the problem is if we don't have border security and you just open the doors and then say okay we're gonna have a pat citizenship That that creates a very bad. I've been talking to trump in santo for for illegal border crossing as opposed to an orderly assimilation and moving people in getting them setting them up as citizens. So that's that's the policy piece of it on. The executive order does the authority to do what i think he does. Well i would. I don't know if that i disagree with you. But in general. I think the question is what. What do we mean by border security. And there's the rub. I certainly think that we need much. Expanded border crossing point infrastructure. At which has been. I think very much neglected lot of things. That are all the infrastructure. Yeah well i think yeah. I think more effective than than walls and You know that that's been the focus right. Build a big beautiful wall and i think that that's unfortunate because that's sort of symbolic type of thing has made it harder. I think for a lot of people to really consider. Well what what sort of border. What sort of border security. What sort of protocols do we need for a safe and orderly process of people doing things like applying for asylum and being able to enter into united states in an orderly and legal way. And those are important. Amen no and i think you and i are lockstep on that and all although i mean i would. I would argue that the infrastructure to some extent it has there has to be some sort of physical barrier in some places Right i mean. That doesn't mean a border long. Fifty foot high beautiful but but otherwise. I think it's a fool's errand. just say. Okay here's your place where you're supposed to report and folks dressed rather not sure you know. Yeah i don't think. I don't think the biden administration's gonna tear down all the border wall. It's there right. So i mean because you know under democratic and republican administrations there have been border wall areas. And i don't. I don't see that changing for good reason right so i think one thing though we're talking about executive orders and you seeing that. The president has the authority to do these things. I think one thing we will both agree on is that president biden doesn't actually have the authority to preserve and fortify daca absolutely. Yes i mean. We've been talking about this. Since the obama in mid the end point of the obama administration at the very beginning of this. You know when we started this podcast saying that. Hey maybe we. Maybe we believe in i. I believe certainly as a matter of policy that dreamers. That kids who came to this country is certainly shouldn't just be summarily tossed out and should have some sort of legal status path to citizenship. But saying well we're going to exercise prosecute prosecutorial discretion and not bother prosecuting. Any of them is essentially ignoring the law. And that's not okay for a president to do and so president obama decided he would push the envelope and and do that and president biden not surprisingly is doing the same thing but i. I agree with the intent behind it but i agree. I agree with the trump administration on this that that actually is goes further than the executive can go. And i expect that when this gets to the supreme court and i think it will. There's a case in texas right now in the district court i think. The supreme court will rule that this is actually unconstitutional exercise of executive authority. I think that's the right ruling. And i would agree with you and the good news. Is that kicks it back to congress which is where that actually ought to take place and and i think there is and has been for years a potential deal out there where i think there are plenty of republicans plenty of conservatives who would support docker type a path to citizenship program provided adequate border security. And i think that's going to be the tough thing because already there's a lot of signals that what what president biden has introduced is just not going to fly in the senate and i hope it's just sort of initial stages of a of a negotiation and not just the. We're not going to do this full. Stop and because. I think you're i expect you're onboard with the general outlines of that path to citizenship. That the proposal outlines but again it's a question of well and admittedly the border security part of it is much while it calls for enhanced border security. It's very fuzzy on that. It's much clearer on the On the path to citizenship. And i would expect that you and republicans in the senate would want something much much clearer and probably much more in the initial proposal. Yeah that's that's that's correct. I'm ca- speak for the senate. But i mean that's that's really my sense of it. And and i guess the issue that again gives a lot of conservatives and republicans pause is when this debate always happens There there is a sense on on the right of. Hey we're willing to do at assistant chapman. Yeah this looks pretty reasonable but but yet there's always opposition on the border security piece which is troy it makes us will will. Why if this is really the the intense then then. Why not. Secure the border. Yeah who wouldn't want to secure the answer but not at all not at all but do you think that there will be a deal on this. Do you see this as being a Something that is a real possibility that there could be. There could be legislation on this. Here's here's the problem. And i will put on my my cynical political hat. Would sometimes you like. Sometimes you don't is. Democrats hold most if not all the cards on on this issue. And that is you know there was. There was a potential deal. Back in the bush administration on this issue and the guy who tanked it was barack. Senator barack obama There were numerous potential deals throughout the The the trump administration And every time my sense is democrats would much rather have the issue than have a solution and and by by doing this you know they can get it. Republicans can't vote for something That doesn't have some sort of You know robust border security in the canton. They shouldn't vote for it. And in fact Bush got pilloried for that lateness. His administration so the democrats have sort of in on on both sides. They can beat up republicans. Were saying you're mean to the daca kids you hate immigrants you're racist etc and if any of them sort of move towards conciliation without some kind of border security. They're going to get it from from. I would say not just their right wing. But but i think really from kind of the center of of the party there are a whole lot of republicans who are just law and order republicans. Right and then they don't have any particular animus against immigrants in fact many of them are children grandchildren of immigrants but They're they're Four parents came here through whatever the legal processes were. They expect that everyone else ought to. And i think that's that's a not insubstantial number people. So that's i think it's. It's tough because the democrats can keep playing this. You know all all the time and until Also filibuster or or or get get sixty seven votes so so then your view on this is that this would have been done done deal. If only if only the democrats would stop playing politics with it and republicans are playing politics with it now i think. Republicans are playing. Okay i i. That's why because i think you can make the same argument the other way around instead of instead of saying you know the you hate immigrants well you just want open borders and so i think both sides to a certain extent. See the value of having this as as a live as a live issue. But i ask there is some value but i think the democrats hold more cards and for the reasons i i just i just Elucidated well i certainly question is why. Why wouldn't you want more border security. Well i guess it depends on what to what extent you know to what extent you're talking about right. I mean in terms of obviously the wall type issue. Yeah and i think you're right that there are some people on the left to just reflexively say well any border security is bad in. There are some people you know someone left. You are a Openly open board and just like there are some people right who say you know what keep america you know white and we don't want those we don't want those the brown people from from down south and so but they're not representative of a lot of republicans. You know right but so some of the open border folks. I think do have a larger say in the halls of congress. Certainly than than you know these folks you you would describe as nativist. I don't know. I think there are plenty of well. We'll we'll see. I am less. I am optimistic about any sort of a deal happening. Maybe than you are. But i. I certainly hope i certainly very optimistic at all. I'm saying i'm even less optimistic. So well tell you what. Let's just take one more quick low break and when we get back we'll talk about the president's orders on lgbtq protections which some on the right are having some real problems with most everyone wants to eat better but it can be hard especially now when even a trip to. 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The court in a six three decision held that with new gore search writing the majority opinion and the decision was that an employer who fires someone just because they're gay or transgender dozen fact violate heidel seven of the civil rights at now. The trump administration's that okay. But that's as far as we're interested in taking it. The biden administration with this with. This order is is signaling. Pretty strongly that they're taking it further and this also title seven also applies to things like restroom. Use locker rooms school sports participation healthcare and housing discrimination as well and as i said a number of cultural conservatives are pretty upset with that j you consider yourself i think in a lot of ways a cultural conservative so i guess you're probably a bit. You have some pretty upset about so why don't you. Why don't you explain. Well look looking back first of all. I mean i was not a huge fan of the boss decision for a number of reasons. We back then. It's really kind of gorsuch writing it. But it's still sort of tortured logic to get to. Where he he got on that question. And i think the much better result would be. If congress wanted to amend the title seven congress could just amend title seven but that ship has sailed and in bostock itself the court still recognized limitations on its its own ruling and said look. We're not making any rulings as to restrooms accommodations. Locker rooms Sports all that stuff. They spelled it out in the opinion. And when you say the executive order is a law well yes no. It's it's not law yet but is it is sort of a directive to federal agencies that they can seek to enforce this as law and you know it depends on what the courts are going to say so opens up a lot of organizations to to federal sued federal intervention. With what they're doing so. I think it's it's bad from that standpoint. Just on the basis of getting the federal government involved in all sorts of of local a local local governments. And let me say i say i agree with you on that first point you made. I think the ideal outcome here would be if title seven were amended to say because of sex or gender and gender oriented or some you know words to that effect congress can spell it out and have all the definitions and make it much clearer in. It's not just this fuzzy examined by. Maybe they won't. And this is a conversation that you and i have a lot and we we invariably that legislative Legislative action is better than a regulatory agencies interpretation. And so that's exactly that. And so i agree with you that while the biden administration is not changing the law. They're taking a very fuzzy set of words very fuzzy phrase in interpreting it in a broader way because proceed at your own. Risk is faster because if you say well. Here's here's i think a lot of folks on the left. Look at if you say. Well this prohibits discrimination because of sex and if bisects you also mean for lack of a better more fitting term gender orientation then if that if if if if that means discrimination in employment will then it also should mean discrimination in any other way because of sex and so are the logic is well. Why would you limit that. And i think that gets to your point about the torture what you saw tortured logic logic and the decision right. So why would you. Why would it be limited there. Well there's no there's no real reason if you say because of sex really means sex also include this idea of sort of your own your gender orientation again for lack of a for lack of a better term here. So yeah i i think that. That's that's the correct. That's the correct interpretation. Given given that interpretation if you say because of sex means also gender and gender your gender role that you a uc and so but but i think it will be challenged. And i expect that the court well actually overturn some of these things because of just for the reasons you cited is that the court did in fact say well. We're limiting this. Even though i don't necessarily think that logically follows then then going to the policy piece of it again to me. It's it's troubling. And that's i. I think to to a certain extent when you when you look at Especially in you're talking about Education and kids. And there's there's a lot going on and there are a lot other a lot of other concerns that schools need to address beyond just any certain students gender identification right and I think parents could be rightfully concerned about Hey is there a someone who's a biological male using the same locker room as as my daughter in some cases take. Those concerns are overblown. But but i think they're not they're not irrelevant and this this sort of leads these sort of cultural wars. Where when when the left is kind of sneers at all you you a backwoods with with your again clinging bitterly clinging to these stereotypes. I think that's an issue Women's sports i think is even a bigger issue and especially at the collegiate level. Because i will say it at the risk of of all the hate. That's gonna come my way. Men and women are are biologically physically different and and men are on average stronger and faster than women. And and i do think it's going to be a a real hit two Girls high school sports and more so to women's college sports where parents are gonna watch your daughter playing against playing soccer against someone who's a biological male soccer's a tough sport My kids played for a number years with plenty of knock towns and i. So there's that and there's also the question of do women want to pursue these sports when they know they they may face competition from biological men who they will never be able to beat and and that's that's a fact of life and it's occurred. I think in in college sports already to some extent you've had transgender athletes who are biologically male who have broken all kinds of records and as you might expect and and sometimes it's just i think that's that's bad for if our goal is to empower young women through sports which i think is a great thing to do. This really sets that back. I agree that these concerns shouldn't be dismissed out of hand and that anyone who raises these concerns shouldn't just be labeled as anti anti gay or or what have you. I think that's absolutely fair because these seem to be. You know things that need to be considered. But also i think as you pointed out that sometimes these concerns can are overblown for various reasons. Right i mean there. Are i think at least sixteen states that for a while now actually have allowed have policies that allow full inclusion of transgender students in in high school sports at least and that has seemed to have gone off at least not horrifically hasn't been isn't the phrase. I think some people using racing women or something like that and it's that sort of rhetoric. I think that's that's that makes this more difficult to navigate this issue and i think there needs to be an acceptance that you can't have legitimate one. You know one thing that was raised. As let's say you're you're survivor of a rape or some other sort of some sort of violence and you can have. If you're a woman who survived that you can have no legitimate issues with say having biological males in your you know your restroom and i think we need to be sensitive to these issues and not just assume that whoever is on the other side of it must just be you know either. Anti women are anti-gay or something like that right. Yeah no that's yeah. And that's that's the the trouble is you know i think with with this Federal bureaucracies are generally not good with subtlety. And that's that's the sort of their job not to be good at subtlety right. It's their job. Is the big the big hammer into. And that's that's why. I'm not not at all enthused about those those orders. That is the problem in the i mean. The order itself is pretty pretty vague directing agencies and that sort of thing but it is difficult to craft these things and this is another conversation. We've had more than a few times in a in a better world what what happened. Is that if there say were this is just off the top of my head example. If they're worse a a student who a male student who identifies as female. You know that that student would be able to let the the folks at the school no and they try to work out some sort of trauma dacian and so forth but then there are issues of well. Why should this student have to broadcast. You know kizer her harvard. That that person identifies never pronoun there. Identification when others don't and these are. These are fraught issues you know. And so. you're right that to sort of a one-size-fits-all solution runs the risk of really trampling over legitimate concerns on both sides and i wish there were good answers to this and there are certainly a good answer to. This isn't just saying well. You know what men are. Men and women are women and you just need to suck it up if you have access then you need to go to the bathroom. And that's that's not okay either. Yeah and again. That's not really what i'm proposing. No no not saying my concern with the again with executive orders it would have been easy for president biden and whoever wrote up the executive order civil rights folks To say we direct All federal agencies to comply with the bostock decision except that they believe he goes further now extra but they're going for the extra and there's a reason for it and and i think we will see within the next couple of years there are going to be some some some big suits on this and i i. I'm sure you're right. And i think that their reasoning for that is i mean. I agree with the logic. I agree with the reasoning but again in a in a better world that there. There would be less ambiguity about this. But that's still wouldn't that's still wouldn't change the fundamental nature of the problems that we're talking about the real world problems whether or not this is our interpretation of because of sacks or if it were just simply well the law were changed to because of sex or gender orientation. you'd still have the same real world. Problems would just from a legal standpoint clear issue. Well you'd also though you'd have if it went through different Get more democratic channels. There would be the sense of of others voice. Were sure that works both ways right because as you said earlier in the show you know executive order give it the executive order. Take and so yeah. We're i think we're definitely in lockstep on that. And then then finally. I just want to mention as i said the sort of standard whenever a new administration comes in they freeze all of the all of the regulations. That aren't have gone into effect from the previous administration. We we expect that. Certainly that's no. That's no big shock. And one other thing that i should mention is in addition to this. I expect that democrats in congress will quickly use the congressional review act and for people who don't know this allows any regulations that have been promulgated during the last sixty legislative days of the past session of congress to be rescinded by a simple majority vote. It's not a it's not subject to a filibuster and that basically works out to any trump administration regulations that went into effect after at went into effect after around june. First of your point. Twenty and also once regulation is rescinded through this no substantially similar regulation can be reintroduced unless it's authorized by law. So not not that one would expect there would be right right so this is but this is just another mechanism by which as again as we see. When there's a new administration disagrees ideologically and so we're going to i. I'm sure you agree that that's going to happen right. Yeah that's gonna. There's there's game playing that that people ought to understand too and that something that the outgoing administration will do will issue a lot of orders on policy pieces that they really like and would fire up their base and then sort of force the other side of the vote on it right so there's a lot that went on in in the obama to trump transfer for example. I mean you know. President obama declared. I mean half of the west national park and trump them rescinded it and the democrats. You know. we're able to fight back and say look he. He hates parks. There's some of those that are out there and some of those you'll see. There are two other orders. I wanna hit on his real quick young and one is sort of policy of significance and that's the keystone pipeline that the president has Can rescinded that forever. My gosh yes. This guys like come on and to me. That's that's troubling in that. Listen the obama administration approved this five times and came to conclusion again. This is the obama administration that the actual the pipeline is better for the environment Than than transporting this oil by either train or or truck and and yet here we are It's going to cost a lot of jobs. Union jobs steel jobs in ohio or not ohio in well in ohio but throughout throughout the country and for for really what i think most would say sort of a sop to the environmental left who hates fossil fuels under under any circumstances. And i think there's a lot of problems also we can talk. All we want about solar wind and renewables but for the time being we're we're still operating with fossil fuels and i'd much rather have a source of that Either in the us or real close in canada then depending on on people like the saudi arabians The other piece that. I think this is going to be an issue going down down. The road that we're going to see is to the extent we we push on this solar stuff. The whole lot of the elements that trace minerals that are needed to make. Solar equipment are found Just like the oil is in. Saudi arabia are found in china. And i think that's that's going to be problematic and we'll talk about that later. But i think a lot of folks also viewed the keystone sign off and the firing sort of offsetting right to the extent that biden upset labor without he tried to. He did a make up with getting rid of the general counsel. So i think there's something there the other say the keystone before you get the other one i. That's that's an order that i certainly provide. I think it's a sign that the abide the administration is going to be to the left of the obama administration. And i'm i'm okay with that certainly as well and so. I think that it shouldn't have been approved in the first place. I think there's significant environmental con negative environmental consequences. Do it and so. I think that that was very very good. Move and i was happy to see that. But i just wanted my two cents on that you mentioned the other order the the other order and this is something we should really special show on some some point. President trump had created what was called the seventeen seventy six commission which was kinda. Give a report on on the status of of the teaching of american history in some somewhat response to the new york times. Sixteen nineteen project Which you know. The the basis of of that is that america is founded on and because of slavery and really takes a views everything in american history through that that racial land is so trump. Went together this group. The panel had some folks who are notably conservative. Larry arnn of hillsdale college. I think was the chair. But you also had a you. Know minority representation. You had folks. From various ivy league schools and and princeton stanford historians who weighed in on this and they they put together a report and the report will be able to get through the government but biden on the first day took it down and disbanded. The commission and that to me is a little bit of a troubling A statement right again if this is We are we are now all about unity and getting along and sharing our our our. Our commonalities outweigh our differences If you're either the seventeen seventy six report and also copy and you can still get at the heritage foundation It's it it comes across is really kind of noncontroversial. I don't think. I don't think there's anything that you would say. Oh gosh yeah. I mean absolutely plenty of historians would disagree with that. I believe one of the things just off. The top of my head is one of the big challenges. It said of a to america's principles in this report along with slavery and fascism they mention progressivism as a challenge to america's principles. I i have a pretty big problem with that. Or is there are plenty of historians and there weren't a lot of historians on this panel. Have a lot to point out a lot of problems with logic and reasoning here and that not just that i was just the idea i i would think that as somebody who cares about the state's rights and is concerned about big government trying to tell us what the thing that the idea that there should be some sort of national commission to direct patriotic education. That that's creepy to me and very troubling so take a look at what the take a look at. What the progressives did i would. I would think the the folks who were jailed for passing out pamphlets opposing world. Where one might disagree that that progressivism wasn't a in in Opposition to some some fundamental american principles. But but that's why we maybe we need to save this for a bigger day. Yeah i pretty. I pretty strongly. I strongly feel that the seventeen seventy six thing was was just a a travesty at a horrible idea at i certainly understand why conservatives may take issue with sixteen nineteen project but i also. I think there's a huge difference between a private media organization like as donald trump like the failing new york times puts out its own little series as opposed to the weight of the federal government behind some sort of national patriotic education thing. Which boy if that doesn't just that doesn't give you a little shiver fascism. I don't know what does it have you ever again. I'll send you the report in. you should read it. I mean because we should talk about this. Because i and you can just sixteen nineteen project. Then we'll talk about it. Yeah absolutely i will. But i because again the idea that And to be clear. I i was i. I am a little bit Put off by the government saying. Here's here's what's patriotic been. Here's what's not but keep in mind. I think the government has an ability to respond and to to criticisms and into things lake the continuing. Focus that we're having on on race and gender identity politics right. I think that's something that is really toxic to to our system. And i think there is some good beneficial government purpose in pushing back against it and have you ever been to the smithsonian s massoni national american history museum. Oh yeah oh yeah. of course. of course. The government participates in setting forth statements about about its history. If you go to any you know any civil war battlefield arrate. I mean there goes the government. The park service is telling you. So i don't i don't see it as as fascist as as you do to say. Here's here's some folks who are giving their outlines about how they think history ought to be taught and criticism of of You know the current vogue. So i then you're right. This really kind of what should be its own. It's own full segment or showing. I think it would be something that's worth that's worth doing a greater length and and i'll just say that i understand the argument about identity politics and so forth but i feel that for hundreds of years it's white identity politics that's dominated and i think after just hundreds of years of of systemic discrimination now that now that it's time to sort of look at a lot of these things but again i get into an entirely different conversation where i think we have some pretty significant disagreements that would be. That would be good to you know that they are out all right well while this was an extended show and you know we didn't even get to some really important things like for instance president trump's pardons and there was a lot going on with that as well as these are things we're all going to get on the midweek show by the way president. 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Episode #51: What's Next for Amazon Staff and Brands Find Themselves Stuck in the Middle of Culture Wars

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Episode #51: What's Next for Amazon Staff and Brands Find Themselves Stuck in the Middle of Culture Wars

"Recorded live from hong kong rong onto. This is the pr in la podcast. Podcast with your house. Cam mcmurphy and you and christie's welcome to episode number. Fifty one of the pr la podcast. I'm your host can make march along with you. Kristie hello cameron. Un's an employment lawyer and partner doesn't troon llp in toronto. Canada and his firm is online at done true dot law. I'm a pr in hong kong and publisher of the digital. Bits pr and communications newsletter. And you can find that at digital bits. Pr dot com. If you enjoy the podcast. Please tell a friend and you can follow us on social media. Lincoln twitter instagram facebook. And we've also got channels on youtube and soundcloud and of course our newsletter you. Un pr law podcast dot club. What's happening. I think things are not very good over there in. T. doc no. It's pretty bad cam. It's pretty bad hearing. I'm hearing and not just there but elsewhere in the country to yeah i mean we had the second worst day of the pandemic last week him In terms of case numbers new case. Numbers Yeah we're on. We're on full lockdown All over again. So we're we're well in the thick of a third wave. It's pretty bad you know it's interesting. How these things kind of ebb and flow though. Because like you know here. We're down to know cases a day many days. I think we had one yesterday. so it's really in control and people are people are upbeat. But there's been other places such as thailand where they've kept control of the virus the entire time but now they're seeing a thousand cases a day they've had a huge spike down there just as they were getting ready to sort of reopen for tourism. So you know. I think the lesson here is even the case. Numbers get quite low You know there's no guarantee that things will continue that way. Yeah absolutely well. I think in thailand. I mean they were way behind in their vaccination or vaccinations as well right. I think they only started vaccinating. Like the end of march or something like that. Yes yep that's right. I mean there's sort of two sides to i guess sort of containing the outbreaks. And then you know. Vaccinations i think the us. Israel real few other countries. We talked about before have have done a good job. Vaccinating mine mine has been moved. I think i might have mentioned this because there was a problem with the pfizer vaccine. At least some of the packaging of a case of it in hong kong so they delayed it for a couple of weeks so now my my shot isn't till the till the nineteenth. I still can't wait to get it right but when you talk about a delay you're talking like weeks. Yeah ten days right okay. All right well. That's great not. There's another thing. I wanted to mention you because you know we've been talking on this show about work from home and we had kind of debate about that I think it was last week. But you know what's interesting. Is there some stories that have come out you. And where i think the new york times had one and i'll put an lincoln the show notes where people are very resistant to go back into the office and some companies are having a hard time with this. You know trivia go which is a travel sort of website travel company in germany. You know decided after the after the after covid nineteen to let employees work remotely for three weeks and then come into the office for one and even that didn't work. They said employees came in two or three times that week and they saw it as more of a social time to have coffee and muffins but they just. They're really resistant to returning back to the office. And you know there's a couple of stories on this. I think it's something employers are gonna have to deal with at some level. Yeah i mean look. I think employers are going to nice on this in the short term at least to try and let employees adapt to getting back to to a workplace environment. But i think on a long enough time line cam. we're going to see a lot of employers. Who just saying no you. Have you have to come back because they do. I mean that's that's the thing you know employees. At least you know here in ontario and a lot of other jurisdictions they don't have the discretion to say. Yeah you know what. I'm just going to work from home. I'm gonna keep working from home if your employer wants to go back. I mean unless you have some very very clear medical reason or it somehow discriminatory or you're returning to an unsafe work environment. If your employer wants to go back you have to go back. That's that's the way it goes. And i think i found a long enough time line. Employers are are they're going to start pushing on this little bit more. I think i don't well. I don't think that's the point like obviously if employers want people to come back to come back. I think the the point is that employees. Ease large enough numbers of are demanding this as A work life balance or a way to work. And so i think there's going to be increasing pressure on employers to allow this to some degree. I think that's more more of the issue. Obviously if employers put their foot down and say you got to be here thirty. Monday morning you know that they have to go but i do wonder because you know we have gone through a full year. Almost where a lot of people have been able to get their work done remotely and so there's a question over whether it is necessary and i guess I guess the part the bothers me. Is that automatic assumption of you know when things are back to normal. You go to the office because it means that we haven't learned anything over the past twelve months. I think we have to sort of break that that link between productivity and being at work do you know what i mean because i think that does apply to a lot of people but it also doesn't apply to a lot of people that can be productive elsewhere. Yeah absolutely. I mean there's also there's been i mean as we've talked about so many times on this show a fundamental culture shift around work and i think that that's the part that's going to be sustained. You know well past pandemic and you know everybody being vaccinated etc etc and at a certain point. I think it's going to be something that perspective employers or employees are going to to look at when they're considering where to work right. I mean if you have sort of two job options available to you and one of the options is no you have to physically be in the office. Five days a week or however many days a week and then you have the alternative of a work from home a couple of days a week and work from the office. Yeah i mean these. These things are going to be draws for a lot of perspective employees. And that's going to be a consideration. Employers are going to have to sit back and seriously explore. What are we gonna do. I mean how are we going to address. This and some employers are better situated to doing that than others By nature of the fact that a lot of them were supportive of a. You know a work from home program pre pandemic and had the infrastructure set up and you know for a lot of employers will be business as usual but there's no shortage of old school businesses. That are still out there cam Who still believe rightly or wrongly That employs can't be productive unless they're sitting at their desk in the office right and by office. I mean that bricks and mortar office that the the employer rents. Yeah and. I really hope that changes because it does seem like a very dinosaur view at this point Because i mean the end of the day right like you have as an employee you have deliverables. You have responsibilities. Or you've got a portfolio of work that you know sits with you and theoretically the timeliness and quality of work should determine whether you're succeeding or not or being productive or not but i mean that's a bit of a utopian idea. I guess but one more thing on this just before we move on. You know the interesting thing. I found looking through some articles on. This is the one thing that came up. That bothered employees. The most was the commute that is why they wanted to work at home. Actually there was very little concern about being in the office. Because once you're there you can talk to people. I mean some people said it was distracting. That's my number one issue. When i'm in the officers people coming by people phoning me people wanting to chat even about work or not work. I find it really distracting and sort of breaks up my my working flow. So that's my biggest issue but the commute is is a real one. I think a lot of people who have sort of taken commutes for granted that it's going to take forty five minutes or an hour to drive into work and then realize they can do their work at home. That's now a really tough sell. Because that's a lot of time. I mean it might be two hours two and a half hours when you combine your commute from door to door and i mean i think people found that time could be much better spent. Continue the debate with us on social media. Join us on lincoln. Facebook twitter and instagram. Pr law podcast. All would work aren't l. a. w. podcast. Send us your questions. Now by email to ask goes at podcast dot com. That's all one word. Ask us podcast dot com or on social media with the hashtag. Pr law pod. That's hashtag be l. A. w. p. d. Okay you and take it away. Twelve camera going back to alabama. All right we talked about yet. Have you recall last week. We were chatting about the union drive at the amazon warehouse sedan whereas summer. Well the votes are in cam any Any guesses well. I know. I know the result you do i do. Yeah well i mean it's one of those stories where got blasted by fifty news alerts on my phone so but the drive failed. I understand yes yes it did. Yeah and it's interesting the the legs this story had it got a lot of press here in canada as well. I mean it's it's clearly a big deal. Even outside is typical labor circles which is interesting to see what you what actually on that point. You and you know the reason for that. These are the stories the better the biggest because they touch several different areas. I mean it's kind of tech story because it's amazon but it's a labor story and it's also just sort of a story of a sort of it's not manufacturing but because there's so many jobs involved like it just touches on so many different parts of the economy e commerce all of this stuff so that you know that's why i get so much play. Yeah yeah i agree it is. It's a really interesting multifaceted story anyway. In terms of the vote. Yes so i mean there were what five thousand eight hundred seventy. Six eligible voters only three thousand one hundred seventeen cast ballots. That's kind of interesting that right off the top. What's what's normal for that. Do you know like when there's a union drive about what is the the average participation rate. I i mean. There's i don't know i wouldn't say that. There's an average participation rate. I mean it really really really depends. So yeah i don't wanna i don't wanna say there's a like a specific threshold you would typically see I mean of of the votes that were cast there were one thousand seven hundred and ninety eight cast against the union and seven hundred thirty eight four and again the union for for anybody. Who's not familiar with the story. We're talking about the retail wholesale and department store union But yeah they got less than less than thirty percent of total votes cam. That was it. Yeah i haven't looked into a lot of the fallout from this or what happened. Or what the reactions of been i mean. Obviously the company is going to be thrilled with this result. I think you know not because just these these. Five thousand workers won't be union members. But you know they've they've had it off a potential drive that could could affect other other parts of the company and other places so i mean it's quite good for them but what happens to the employees now. And and what's the fallout ben from this vote. Yeah well i mean the union for its part. They're they're already asking federal label labor officials to to investigate the you know. The unions filed unfair labor. Practice charges against amazon. You know they're alleging. That amazon created an environment of coercion. There were fear of of reprisals against workers Of course amazon has denied all this. I mean specifically. We're talking about for the for the better part of seven weeks. Workers were allegedly forced to attend. Anti-union meetings I mean. I feel like this should be illegal or or is illegal or is it okay. Well yeah that's a great great question cam so I wanna i wanna put some links in the show notes. There's some been some really fantastic articles written about just this subject and just how much range the employers have in the united states in terms of you know anti union sentiment And there's just so much gray area here particularly when you're talking about a company of amazon stature and money but yeah i mean it's it's some of the stuff where you know there is these meetings and then addition to that they were workers were allegedly bombarded with anti-union texts. They're even flyers placed in in the bathrooms. So i mean given the number of unfair labor practice charges came. I wouldn't be surprised if the union ultimately wins the right to hold and other election. You know and that's not uncommon on a common for union organizers to make multiple attempts before they successfully unionized workplace so. I don't think that this story is over at this particular plant. But we'll you know we'll we'll see what happens as somebody who knows nothing about this subject. I find that also kind of odd that they can vote lose and then just keep voting until they keep holding these until they until they win. That also seems like maybe not not not the best way to do it. But i guess as normal well well yeah it kind of is it kind of is you know. I don't want to say it's rare for for a union to be successful in their first shot and trying to trying to get into a to work environment but it's certainly not uncommon for there to be multiple multiple attempts But you know. I think you're right off the top. I mean the the obvious point here. Is that amazon has definitely dodged a bullet right particularly as we were chatting about this last week. The working conditions the increased pressures on employees amazon during the pandemic. It's really really put amazon under the microscope and it sort of looked as though that the union might have some legs here amazon had even been. They've been facing pressure from from washington. Which is something. We haven't really seen Over the last couple of decades around these issues i mean both president biden bernie sanders had sort of indicated some level of support for the for the dr But ultimately fram is on. I mean they launched an aggressive campaign and it clearly proved to be successful right. I mean they're arguing. That workers are paid better than sort of comparable positions at other companies in that they had good benefits. And i guess they on some level they were. They were successful in those arguments. Yeah know amazon is well known for being ruthless. I mean th these sorts of issues have come up in the past I'm not sure if you followed you. And but there was. Some sort of angry tweets amazon. Put out a couple of weeks ago related to this related to this issue where where they were quite critical of bernie sanders for instance on twitter and they were really firing back at politicians and was a story. I was thinking you've actually bringing onto the show to discuss because it was such an interesting way for the company to to try and tackle some of these issues because it was aggressive. And you know usually. That's not what is recommended on the communication side. But you know it came to light later. This is jeff bezos and this is his style and he was getting fed up with you know politicians and others sort of hammering at amazon and so he decided to fight back that way. And it backfired. It didn't it didn't look good It didn't look on the company. But i think this goes to what you were talking about. You know earlier that amazon. You know these are important issues to the company And you know. Jeff bezos is is is a fighter and You know it doesn't surprise me that they were putting up. You know signs in bathrooms and and you know pressuring employees to try and vote one particular way. Because i think that's sort of how they do business and i guess in there they would say that this is you know how they run a tight ship and how they keep costs down and how they're able to provide the service that they do provide to millions of people you know. Enjoy that service. So yeah you're right you and this is not the last. We're hearing of this for sure. No no no not at all. Yeah i mean this. Is i think one thing here cam that we we should look at is just the general sort of trend around unionization. The last say forty years writing. We've really seen increased privatization of industry increasing corporate opposition And that's had a dramatic effect on the unionization rates night. I i was looking at in prep for the show was looking at a study. From the economic policy institute it. Us employers spend about three hundred and forty million dollars year on consultants to help keep workers from unionizing and these tactics. They're they're incredibly effective right. And if we sort of look at the percentage of union workers over the last forty years that percentage of workers. It's dropped by half. So i mean not not an insignificant swing and i recall you and i chatting built this last week cam off air. We're chatting both scott galloway and and his sort of take on unions and how they continue to have an image problem right You know one of the other issues. I think that they're struggling with is how do you connect with millennials and gen z. Right if you think about the drop in unionization rates over the last forty years really. There's a greater chance. Now that millennials gen ears years have been raised in a home where their parents did not work in unionized environments that sort of culture and education around unionization that say our parents were part of That we grew up around it simply not as prevalent as it once was and i think that that's something that that unions really have to sit back and try and address. Yeah you're right. I i mean i kind of agree with with with scott galloway in the since I'm not sure unions are the answer You know he did say are there. Other vehicles are other mechanisms or other structures that might better protect or negotiate on behalf of of of labor. I'm not sure i mean. Obviously that's a big question for people much smarter than myself. But i mean i do see his point. I do think the branding around labor unions has been quite poor. And i mean that's for a number of reasons but it's i mean it's just still there and also the working conditions now and the economy now is so much different from the forties fifties and sixties when when the labor union was growing to become so strong in the united states. It's such a different world now. Like there's there are far fewer blue collar jobs for instance. You know there's not there's not one hundred thousand people building automobiles gm in detroit. And i think you know. There's still obviously employees employers who are exploiting their labor for sure. But it's being done in a different way and i think we got to think differently about how to how to try and balance this. I certainly don't don't disagree with your your latter point that we have to think differently about how to deal with this right I mean. I think there's no doubt that there's been an explosion of precarious employment. We've talked about the gig economy You know. I certainly see this in in my practice. The frequency with which i have clients coming in that have worked with the same company for thirty years and are retiring. are becoming fewer. And far between that's simply just not the reality of the working world anymore. We we do not see people working for one or two companies and retiring with good pensions and these working for one or two like i. That's not necessarily a bad thing right like to me. That's neither here nor there might work at one or two companies or you might work at six. By the time he retired but it's not inherently positive or negative on either side. I think what. You're getting out there before i rudely cut you off was was that sometimes. The benefits are impacted by this. And if you're bouncing around a lot there might not be that pensioner that healthcare coverage at the end of the line well i. I don't think whether you bounce around or not Those pensions they. They don't exist. Mean they have largely disappeared percentage of positions where you can have access to those. Those types of benefits no longer exists. So i don't actually think that that's reflective of whether you bounce around or whether you don't i do think that there's been a fundamental culture shift whereas if you go back to say the fifties and sixties there was sort of this understanding that if you were working for a company and the work was generally decent in your pay was generally decent. You stuck around. It wasn't there wasn't this sort of cultural ideal of well. What's the next best thing or is there another option out there for me to to serve. Make a move or make a lateral move Whereas it's sort of difficult to try and conceptualized the workplace nowadays without that particular mindset rain. I mean i think most employees on some level are thinking about some form of upward trajectory. And if that doesn't exist it there with their current employer. then they're not hesitant about making the move to something better right. Yeah as a manager like this i. I want the employees to be ambitious and hardworking and towards something better because ultimately i benefit from that as a manager right i think it is the people who sort of our content and satisfied and come in and this is it that often have problems with because it's just a different outlook. I think i mean. I'm really over generalizing here. But but i do think the attitude is good. I'm not even sure if it's what's better if it's growth and challenging yourself and learning and new experiences all of this kind of comes into the to the to the job market as well and i think this is. I think it does matter to people on the pension side union. It's funny that you bring this up because you know like you know we've invested in one or two sort of you know real estate investments right and i've had my parents like why are you. Not you know buying yourself a nice home to live in and you know and and enjoy and spread out and you know it'll be and i always tell them because i'm not gonna have a pension like i. I knew a long time ago that there wasn't going to be that net to catch me when i'm fifty five or sixty five years old so it's not like i've got decades of planning for this underway already because you're right it's not there and that reality impacts how we live today for many people. Yeah you're absolutely right and that may be very much part of that cultural shift that we've we've made that sort of that transition. Psychologically because we know that we have had to make that transition. Psychologically because that's safety does not exist the way that it once did. Show your support to the or podcast by making a one time donation or sitting up a subscription with his petri on every little bit helps us. Keep the lights on and bring the show to you each week. If you liked to ship in please visit me. You're in law. Podcast dot com. That's pr in la podcast dot com. Click support this show. Thanks for helping us out. Okay you and i have to drop a little plug here for myself. I will be speaking at the marketing. Three sixty influence conference. It's actually holding a conference with the title boot camp for all things content and communications. You can register for this online. I'm going to be a panelist. On two sessions. One of them deals with sort of creating content on a very tight budget. And the other one which i think is extremely interesting. It's on the issue of whether brands whether and how brands should take a stand on social issues and this is that we have touched on on this course. I thought you know this is. This is going to be an interesting discussion. And so i thought i would bring it up in the podcast today as well because we've obviously seen some some movement on this even in the past week so you're familiar with what happened with major league baseball. I guess over the last week You know they were not even just the last week but they were set to have the all star game in atlanta georgia and georgia has recently passed a law pertaining to elections that does restrict access to the polls in reality. I mean it doesn't state so very very clearly but in reality will will result in some restrictions to voting for certain parts of the population. We can guess which parts those are and you know major league. Baseball has pulled. Its all star game out of out of georgia and it's been hammered for that decision you know by republicans who support this piece of legislation and major league baseball which is not political. I mean i think most sports leagues try not to be political with the exception of the nba and think the nfl has become political since colin kaepernick. But but this is something. Mlb does not want to get involved with and it's something that a lot of other companies are are landing in as well so coca cola. Delta are two others they've been criticized for what's happening in in georgia coca cola spoke out about it. Donald trump then spoke about this this about coke's opposition to this law in georgia. And he's calling. It woke a cola. And you know this is tough. Companies are landing in this situation. Un and it's not easy and there's a lot on the line and i think this is becoming something that companies have to really consider date today. We've talked on this show in general about the fact that you know there are certain issues come up. We talked about black lives matter. And the death of george floyd things like that where you have a one case. Maybe every few years or every decade where. There's enough social pressure. You know on on on your company to speak but now this is an ongoing issue. It looks like look. I i have. I have no issue with major league baseball pointing out. I think it was a good move. I think it's good for the development of its brand long-term and here's the thing this idea. That american sports haven't been politicized for very long time. It to me is just completely ludicrous. First of all. I mean think of looking specifically major league baseball cam if you recall after the september eleventh terrorist attacks one of the first things that major league baseball did was it changed the seventh inning. Stretch to you know. People bless america was no longer. Take me out to the ballgame now. Look i'm not. I'm not passing judgment on that decision. However that decision was an overtly political one That major league baseball chose to make. I mean as far as i understand. This is still you sing during the seventh inning. Stretch major league baseball games at least in the united states is god. Bless america can say that you're you know if you're few come to see a blue jays game at toronto. We still seem really up to the ball game. We were in seattle. Two years ago. They sang take out to the ball game. The seventh inning did that. Yeah okay so maybe. They no longer do this. I don't know maybe they only do it. Select parks But that was certainly an overtly political decision you think of the super bowl with the idea of military jets flying over or the you know the integration of the military into american sports in general and again not passing judgment on this one way or the other but to suggest that professional sports haven't been politicized in the united states for some time i think is is is kind of you know inaccurate. Well i guess we should clarify here. I mean if you're talking about sort of patriotic sort of sort of messages for sure. But i think in terms of republican versus democrat. That's an area where sports leagues have tried to avoid. Just because you know you're gonna alienate half of your audience regardless and so baseball. Baseball is very careful about not waiting into those kinds of issues. If it's singing the national anthem and god god save america or whatever god god bless america god save yes please thinking god. Save the queen you know. I do think those things are a little bit a little bit different. But you know one thing that i've noticed that of this is it's very similar to what china has been doing the. Us it is elected officials now pressuring companies. But that's what's been going on in china for a very long time. And i think most recently you know we had an issue over xinjiang. Cotton so xinjiang is a is a majority muslim territory. In china it used to be called east turkestan before it was part of china. And i mean if you read news articles about this you know. There's some serious human rights violations happening in xinjiang and h. and m. had put out a statement saying that it was not gonna use xinjiang cotton any longer and you know that got picked up in the chinese media and with chinese consumers and hmo is persona non grata in china. Now it's done it's completely done In fact it's to the point where you know. Landlords have kicked them out of shopping malls. They've just closed their shops. If you open. Dd which is sort of. China's version of uber in which uber has invested You can't if you try and get picked up at an hmo. They won't they won't your transaction won't go through. You can't even be standing out in front of one to get picked up. I mean it's yeah it's a it's a sort geo blocked or something you can't there's no. There's no way to do that so and you know this is a china is not. It's no longer a want access to this growing market. You know it came out two weeks ago that you know china's going to overtake the us market in size by twenty twenty eight ahead of schedule because of the cove. Nineteen situation where their economy's been growing for know six to eight months already Post post pandemic but this is put h. and m. is in trouble nike was targeted at dot was targeted several other brands. And they've since issued groveling apologies and talking about how they support xinjiang. Things like that but it is interesting to see this. Now turn up in the united states where the same thing is happening and it's all part and parcel of the same thing. These companies don't want to do this. I can guarantee you. They don't want any part of this at all but this is becoming so polarized that they're being forced to choose and i think you know as widespread as this has become already. I think it's gonna get a lot worse. I think some companies like apple are extremely vulnerable. If we're talking about the china example a huge chunk of their business You know is in is in china But it's not the only one you know. There's there's a lot of brands that are having to deal with this. I think you know in the united states. You and back there for a sec. I mean you. Remember the chick-fil-a controversy. Yeah you know. There's so many examples of this. So so what can companies do you know in this situation and you know. I don't have a good answer. I hate to sort of bring that up. That way. Because i bring up the subject today because i do want our audience to think about it as well. I mean from my perspective and in my current role. There have been societal issues. That have come up. And we've considered whether to speak or not and there is not yet a clear blueprint or guideline for how to go about this. But off the top of my head. I mean one area. Is this related to our business or not. And if it's not related to your business that doesn't mean necessarily that you shouldn't say something. Maybe you should people kind of laugh in north america about boycotts. And you know our boycotts really effective. And you know yeah. They're not often even in cases on fox. News where companies are pressured for instance not to sponsor tucker carlson's show on fox. They do drop off but then they resurface again a few weeks later and it continues so they're not effective in general but i think they're getting to be more effective and i think with republicans putting the pressure on companies like major league baseball. I do think they could do some economic damage. I really do. And it's it's a really tough situation to be in what what level because there'd be blowback by these businesses with the republican party as well. I mean there. 'cause i i saw earlier in the week there was was lindsey graham Who said you know. The corporations have no place or no business making taking political stances or something to that effect too badly. The statement and of course. Nobody very quickly pointed out but wait a minute. Where does a lot of your donations come from. They come precisely from these corporations so to suggest that corporations are entitled to take a particular political stance on an issue isn't isn't particularly accurate. With how the american system works or doesn't work. Frankly the case as the case may be right. Yeah exactly and and you know you. In the other. Recent development here is a number of chief executives of of large. Us companies actually held a call. Zoom call over the past several days to talk about banding together on this to speak out against the georgia law. And i think this is an interesting development So some of the companies that were on this call pepsi. Pay pal t. Rowe price hess corp. There were several executive on the call. And you know. I think this is a good way to handle it because i think if companies they are stronger together right like. You can't boycott everyone. You have to buy your goods from somewhere. And i think this is kind of creative way to kind of inoculate the business you know for any widespread boycott effort. Wait a minute. Wait a minute this out. Hey check this out. Wakeup call you to check this out in the pr in law podcast. All right what are you. Yeah i read a fantastic article in the washington post titled Strange journey of cancel from a black culture punch line to white grievance watchword this already. yeah it it It sort of details. The origin of that of the term like your cancelled the origins of cancel culture. And i was not at all familiar with this. And it's a really interesting story that dates back to the early eighties and involves nile rodgers. Cam who you may know from the band chic and anyway the whole story links back to a bad date. That nile rodgers had in the eighties. Really okay s. So he was at a club and the the maitre d' came over and he was going to sit nile and his his date and his date insisted that the maitre d' remove all of the people who are sitting at one of the tables so that they could have it to themselves and rodgers. Basically had to sort of interject. And say yeah. No i don't. I don't i don't roll like that. That's that's not what i do and that effectively was kind of the end of the date. That's how it went. And he went home and he was kind of going over the event while he was working on a new song which ended up being titled. Your love is cancelled really. Yes that was the song. And that is the first first incident that we know of i reference of this idea of being cancelled and from there. Cam it's really interesting. So the line then shows up in the nineties gangster flick. New jack city and then again in rapper fifty cents two thousand five track hustler's ambition and then it made its way to reality. Tv in vh one's love and hip hop. But it all goes back to a bad date. That nile rodgers had And of course has been appropriated in a whole host of ways since that time. Wow wow i had no idea of the back on that and you know the interesting thing is is instill well defined. This term is going to be around for a long time and it's going to be used by all kinds of different people in different ways. I see how some people are calling it. accountability culture. i think that's putting a positive spin on it. But anyway i don't wanna get into all this because we we could be talking forever about cancel culture but i definitely want to read that it does sound interesting all right coming with its torius b. I g you know. I remember the rap sort of east west feud back from nineteen ninety s and. I mean it was biggie. On the east coast in brooklyn and it was two pox out in california and both of them ended up dead. They were both shot both murdered both of those crimes are unsolved at this point anyway. I do remember this from the nineties. And i mean i remember the music obviously but but not much more than that And just recently. I had a friend sort of listening to one of these songs. Hit them up. Which is done by. And i was listening to the lyrics. Oh wow that is. This song is really harsh. And it's sort of really taking taking up piece at a biggie and You know. After that i went just reading again just curiosity i went down the rabbit hole and i found a podcast special on. Slates slow-burn podcast. They look at a different issue. Every season and season three they looked at the west rap battle. And i really thought it was. It was really well done It's an eight part series. And i it. It looks at sort of the background of hip hop and rap and set the stage from the late one thousand nine hundred eighty s with nwa and ice cube and on into into the nineties with biggie to park and all of the host of characters dr dre and snoop dogg and all of these guys so it was really good. Podcast series. i do recommend second is actually netflix. Special i just learned the other day that netflix has put together a documentary on the life of christopher wallace also known as notorious b. I g And i mean. I have to say it's really interesting. It focuses on his life. More than the feud with the west coast. But his life There's a lot of stuff in there. That i was not aware of and there's a lot of home home. Movie style footage with some of his good friends who went on tour with him around the united states. And i guess a lot of this footage is basically never been seen before. So i would say i liked it. I i think if you're a fan of this era or these two guys or two is probably worth. Listen i i thought it was a little bit light on the actual feuding between the two sides. It was more of a look at biggies past. But i mean both of those for sure. If you're into this if you remember it still gic Yeah this is a great great great bits of entertainment. Okay so start with the podcast. I'll go with china's that's the stronger one. Yes okay okay good. And that's that's where. I'll start because yeah i definitely. I remember this Andy and look. I mean it's just it's just tragic any way you cut it. I mean you had just two brilliant. Brilliant artists cut down in their prime. You know in the hip hop community. Never been the same sense right. Yeah yeah absolutely. And just the the impact of they had like. I've even gone back in the last couple of. I've been listening to some nineties era hip hop actually as a result and it some like you know i remember back then it was sort of seen as maybe a fad like hip hop or rap was kind of mike might fade away and it's it's been exactly the opposite. It's it's a whole new genre really that really got its footing back then in the nineties absolutely absolutely. Yeah pop hip hop rules man No doubt no doubt about it. Yeah you know. Maybe the guitars will come back. Some point in time but Yeah it's it's a it's a different world out there now. Yep it's great all right. We're getting set to wrap this one up anything. You want to add anything Angel wish are wonderful listeners. Before we close well. Yeah cam i do. Actually i want to wish you a happy. Belated birthday thanks. And you know it was your birthday earlier this week. Yeah he had a good one. Yeah it was. It was lovely. I mean i talked about the holidays here. In hong kong added five day weekend last weekend and so One of those days was was the birthday and it was great like i slept in a sunny day. Went went down to the water and a nice meal. A wonderful actually location is so good now. Look i'm just. I'm a nice time for me is like nothing on the calendar and A nice or or glass of whiskey and yeah chill out. I'll see you must be loving this pandemic thing cam because it's pretty much been low keys pretty much every day. Well party year now. Interestingly i actually went out on friday evening because the bars are open here and they have been for a while and you know there was a bunch of people inside of a bar and i was with a couple of friends and we had masks off drinking pints. And we're at that stage here because there's no cases anymore and we were talking at the time saying like most of the world. You can't do this. You can't sit around and order pints and chat with friends so yeah it is. It's sort of a a sobering moment to say. Wow this is. We're quite fortunate to be able to even do this at all right. Yeah even psychologically like haven't you just notice when you're watching old tv shows movies. Abc people these people embrace or an elevator or just getting close physically close with each other. What do you do it. What are they doing right now. You have to double take in your head. It's so weird. see. I i get this when i see. Sports highlights from a long time ago and i go. There's fans of this. That look so cool. 'cause that's so so rare now but anyway they are coming back in the us a lot of these cities so all right well you and let's wrap it. Thanks everyone again for joining us. You can obviously follow us on social media. Please do that and get the word out about the podcast. It's the only marketing. We've we've really got so we do appreciate that and you can get our newsletters well. Pr law podcast dot club. 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2000 - AOC Dances Into Congress, Drives GOP Up The Wall w/ MR Crew

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

2:40:53 hr | 2 years ago

2000 - AOC Dances Into Congress, Drives GOP Up The Wall w/ MR Crew

"Jaronnie era. Every day. Passable fry that means Monday his casual Monday, Tuesday, casual Tuesday, Wednesday, casual. Thursday, casual Thurs. That's what we call it and Friday casual. Jarrai rumpole with Sam cedar. It is Friday January fourth two thousand nineteen. My name is Sam cedar. This the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the injustice ravaged Gwanda canal in the heartland of America downtown Brooklyn US. On the program today. New congress worn in with the most diverse house ever. Also Republicans in the Senate are beginning to crack under the weight. Of the shutdown. While Democrats introduce major voter reforms Medicare for all hearings set to be held. Democratic governor of Maine signs in order to give seventy thousand Mainers health insurance. Meanwhile, a Bolton and palm peyot. Set out on their exact excellent war mongering adventure. And workers win. As the Obama National Labor Relations board joint employer ruling upheld in DC circuit court. Shita to Leib wants to impeach the am effort. Offer. And the economy adds over three hundred thousand jobs. Unemployment ticks up just a hair, but actually for good reason, all this and more on today's majority report, ladies and gentlemen, we mentioned this yesterday doing a slightly special thing just to kick off twenty nineteen and I got say kudos to me for not for not stumbling too much over twenty nineteen in the beginning. Opening of the of the show I was convinced. I would do that. I probably will do that next week, but I managed to get through all of the first half week of broadcasting on our program. Casting. Let's say on our program without messing that up. So I'm very very pleased with myself should also say today, we're doing slightly breaking format. No guest today. We're gonna get phone calls quickly. Get two big stories big in my mind stories that I wanna talk about before we get there. And then we'll take calls, and we will talk about movies that we saw on break if we happen to see any as opposed to having a movie recommendation, so this we may be backward. Looking a little bit on these movie recommendations, I also want to say to the that we've been getting a lot of emails lately, and they have been it's extremely gratifying. I don't have a chance to answer them. All. But for the most part, I read them all fairly quickly as they come in got one. Two or three or four five six sometimes more day just from listeners who are either like relatively new or longtime who are just telling us. I mean, maybe this time of year people get a little more sentimental. I'm not sure, but and telling us that they appreciate the show, and I just wanted to acknowledge that until you, you know. We do read them got an Email from a a. Like a fifteen year old. A young woman who is in high school. Apparently, her teacher is a bit of a jerk. I'm not gonna say her name Sinn case her teacher. But it sounds like your teacher does not listen in says. He is. Basically. Suggesting or not correcting people when they talk about the communist that was voted in in New York that would be a o c. There's and she her mom is a Trump supporter who does not like her questioning her teachers she lives in a conservative district where there's little funding for anything outside of sports. Did it sounds a little bit like a a crap show? But I will tell you this. If you are. If you're you know, there's no worst time for some people than high school and junior high and having paid junior higher in my own home. I can attest to this and having actually gone to junior high myself that time, of course, it was the horse buggy that made it so difficult when you would get there every day on the on the horse and buggy, but I will tell you you know, that is one of the great things about highschool. Enjoy it to the extent that you can. And then know that then you're able to fly the coop. And it only gets better it only gets better Amen to that. So but thank you for listening and appreciate it. And she's. She. Thank the majority of the Michael brook show, and the anti-fraud some of my favorite things to watch. And listen to you're all doing something revolutionary. She ends the Email. So it was very kind very sweet. And thank you and much appreciated for letting us know that you're out there and hang in there. Good luck. Man. I think I down proof. I think I counted down the days until I could move to New York for like two years in the back of my diary, no joke. There you go. Like, dad, girl advent calendar. Exactly. And I think there's a lot of people who do that just skipped out on middle school. Crushed. Well, think is like this. Email and she's she lives in in Ohio and. That Email and what what was the latest conservative hit job on? I wanna say hit job, but really failed hit job on A. O C reminded me of footloose, not the remake the original where it was a legal to dance in the town. And who is the six to six degrees of Kevin bacon was was the rebel came to town totter, but had a dance and. There is I there's something deeply deeply wrong with the conservative movement, and they are. You know, I don't hold much stock in this. Because I think they're terrified of a lot of things and much of them are made up. Right. I mean, like, I don't I don't think the reason to. I'm not in favor per se of the caravan because there were people in Michigan who were afraid that the caravan was gonna come and take their house or something. And so my support for Heo OC is not founded in the fact that they are so terrified of her. But I will say that I am beginning to get more enjoyment than I think person, should you know, out of how afraid they know the phrase living in someone else's head, right? Kley? So. They have been the the gateway pundit is that who it was or somebody someone on some right wing outfit. Some of the miscue seventeen seventy six oh, very very, very happy. I'm talking about yesterday. They are two days ago came out with the relation that in high school. Alexandra, a oh Cortez went by the name, sandy, and that they confirmed what she had been saying publicly was that we moved out of town into a richer town where we were ended up being one of the poorer members of the town. So I could go to a good school. You know up in just outside of the city outside of the Bronx. And. That apparently was I'm not sure exactly what the Laurie was areas. Republicans always resort to like the most crude form of identity politics. So they're basically saying like, she's not real, right? It's like it's like Rick Ross. He was he was a security guard. It wasn't real like she was she didn't she's working class credit or family scrap together. Savings to make it a possible for to go to public school bullshit. I just saw the France she misrepresented her past like, whatever, whatever. Yeah. So that fad that failed. But these detectives on the right? Found this incredibly damaging video that they put up on live leak. This is the place where they literally put like snuff films, right? And this is it folks if you're at home police it down because it turns out that at one point in her past Alexandria, Cossio Cortez. Danced. With the guy then with a girl what the hell. Okay. Now. I know there's probably a lot of you are disturbed out there solution just fail on the green new deal guys. She clearly was younger, but that's no excuse for dance Arctic that Allah here is. Well, no. But we don't know that when this is relief. Oh, we don't know that she's at least as junior senior high school, right? So I mean still Ryan still stands. Okay. I was appalled. But here's now aside from the fact that they thought that this would that video would somehow be damaging to her and everybody was like, oh my God. This is incredibly charming. Wow. She like like, what an authentic person who, you know. Like it turns out, and this is what even more bizarre about this. That was not the video. What they did is they took clips of her from another video, and they changed the music the music you heard in that was called tom-tom by by Tom. Tom fever, tom-tom fever like the that Josephine Baker would come out to in her little bananas skirt. Right. Let's put a pin in that. As to why they did that. But it turns out that what that video was from was from a video that was made in at BU by a bunch of kids. Who were doing the list? Oh, mania Meema centrally from like, I guess ten years ago or so about two thousand nine two thousand ten and I'm not convinced. This wasn't even like commissioned by b you because it's all be used Newton's wearing BU clothing. And they're trying to like, it's it seems like it's like a promotion for the admissions office based upon this mean that was going around on video. So let's watch this part of it. It's a different song. It so weird. Like, I don't know if they thought like we can't show that can't show any like sort of like average white guys in there or something. I think they wanted to make it look like a vanity project like she just wanted to be filmed, dancing or something weird. But here here is the original narcissistic, folks heart are there. Are there? Original video. Believable. Okay. Now that I know I can't I can't take it anymore. Although it does bring back some some rough memories for me because that's right next to the law school, which I attended for year and that sometimes hard for me to watch. But they for whatever reason they cut out parts of that video in put it with that new tom-tom using that does sound like Josephine Baker. And I think was supposed to be reminiscent like sort of like, this is what's happening way up town. And there's some like like crazy jungle music going on like smoking some jazz cigarettes. Yeah, exactly like, it was in the negroes devil. Stick. Kana? Fhu priestess is coming out. I can't for the life of me. Like, why didn't they just release the original video or why didn't they make the other video more nefarious? Like, they're so out of touch that they can't even like, I don't know how you would demonize her from that video, but they did such a bad job about it. And then the interesting thing about this whole thing is that that list of mania thing was a mean that was part of a mash up that came from the breakfast club scene. So she was playing the ally Sheedy role in it and the guy doing this the was playing like the. Yeah. This is this is this is the original video that stuck with me. So she's doing the ally Sheedy thing coming around, and the, of course, you play that role Narcisse. She's right Narcisse. Okay. So that's what that came from. But the funny thing about that was that as these mashups started going around where there was like different kids from around the country started doing these videos Lawrence Lessig used it. As an example for why we needed creative Commons copywriting, and he actually did a video about it, including these clips that was then forced to be taken down by the publisher of the list of mania music, and he went on to sue them and win and it it fundamentally altered the copyright dynamic online for all these memes. So the there's so much. It was such a the fail the electronic frontier. Fundation should get behind now. After this, exactly. I mean, it's just one more reason why like your internet freedoms in some ways, she played a small part in our internet, freedom, freedoms, unknowingly and. It is it she's ruining the breakfast club because that woman's white. The example sick of it. It's like Ghostbusters this the widow and the Brennan's is white. She just just is. And so. Eos? This is Chris tweeted this out also that she's a troll addition everything else. The mayor Hirsch Representative who's good at posting. And it's so bizarre and exciting. So she drop this like Johnny minutes ago in response to the failure to I don't know what they were supposed to do. But here it is play. This is pretty funny. Just dance outside. Gutter song choice that also I mean, you know, what they're going to do. They're going to take that they're going to pull them use it out, and they're. They're gonna put secure as she will. All right. Well, that is that is I don't know. I response that was honestly like I was sad for the person. I was like is this person ever been outside? They have any friends like how warped do you have to be to think that this is Dan he literally mentions digital for analogy in his bio, so they'll probably. Probably not. Well, let's get onto. So some some news that that took place. Now, look the. We we've you know, we've talked about this all week the bills that the Democrats in the house pass do nothing except for set a marker and establish a baseline. We hope for what they'll do if they get the Senate as well. But it also does create what they do in the house. Also does create a tremendous amount of pressure on the Republicans in the Senate who are running for re election. So yesterday, the Democrats passed two pieces of legislation one was the essentially the funding Bill the continuing resolution that they got from the Senate. Last year Senate. And that goes back to the Senate. And Mitch McConnell is saying that he will not bring up vote, however in the past twenty four hours, Cory Gardner. Susan Collins Kapito from West Virginia. Others who are basically starting to worry g even Joni Ernst who were starting to worry about their re election in twenty twenty are getting nervous because you know, we're still in that zone. There has been already a tremendous amount of of needless suffering innings -iety, experienced by over eight hundred thousand federal workers and contractors some of whom may expect never to see the money from the work myths, others who will build up debt in in of getting back pay for this. We've also seen a freeze in federal workers a pay raise of one or two percent that they were supposed to get. And it also debilitates the ability of these agencies to look forward past the next couple of weeks and actually do any real planning. But as the weeks go by the suffering is going to increase exponentially. You're going to start to see people on food stamps lose their funding perhaps as early as early February. You're gonna see people lose their section eight housing. You're gonna see people of farmers lose their ability to get loans into get funding into get the the slush fund payments that they were supposed to get for the tariffs this. That's why Joni Ernst is a little bit worried. And so this pressures going to increase and Nancy Pelosi to her credit understand this dynamic apparently far more so than Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell is just sitting there hoping some deal can be struck. Here is Nancy Pelosi. Coming out and talking to reporters and explaining essentially what the dynamic is right now. Is an in morality. It's not who we are as a nation. And this is not a wall between Mexico and the United States that the president is creating here. It's a wall between reality and his constituents his supporters. He does not want them to know what he's doing to Medicare netted and social security in his budget proposal. He just not want them to know what he's doing to clean air and clean water in the rest in his department of interior, and of of EPA, you just not want them to know how he is hurting them. So keeps the subject on the wall. He's a master of diversion. We're trying to open up government. We've giving them tour path to do. So all right. I'll tell you what was skilled about that everything the message. She wanted to get across with bookmarked with the wall because she knows the press is only going to cover stuff that has the word wall in it. Because that is what that is the society we live. We all participate in it. When we buy products that are advertised on television. And what that's just the way it is. We're just gonna have to wait until basically the boomers the gen Xers die off in the world can be owned by millennials who just watched on YouTube, and but that is that is the world in which we're living in. So that is the dynamic right now with the government shutdown. It would be. It would be fascinating to watch. How the senate's going to crumble, and what they're going to come up with because I think there's a decent chance what we may end up seeing is some type of compromise. Where again, we said this last year around this time, I would take a permanent fix for all the DACA, folks. And Dopp, but even just DACA, frankly to star with for two and a half five billion dollars worth of wall. Who cares that wall's not going to get built? There's not going to be. There's just five billion dollars isn't going to do it Trump deeds to bring that back to his base to pretend that the walls being built fine. Give them the five billion dollars, take DACA and say, what happened to Mexico? Maybe also I'd like to also the protected status for Haitians as well, which was really seen. I've just wanna to put that on the table something that would be great thing to at. I know it's not necessarily possible. Let's try to add. The broadly the point being yes, if you were to drain all the things for real. Yes. Exactly agree. Exactly. Because no one I mean up the part that goes through a butterfly sanctuary. We can't allow that to happen. But the thing it's none of it's going to go through anything. This five billion dollars are going to end up spending on just like, you know architecture firms. We're going to spend it on my trip to Mexico where the pay me the rest of it and thanked me, but every day that passes the Democrats get more leverage here. And the, you know, the problem is, of course, is that the Democrats broadly. Speaking broadly, speaking in general, feel more pressure just broadly, if you're in Joni Ernst, and you come from Iowa, and you're worried about the farmers be you're worried about all the stories about the farmers who are getting screwed over because they're not getting their slush fund payments, and they can't get loans. And farms are starting to go bankrupt. Because of this. You're gonna feel that pressure directly. But even if you're not if you're a democrat, and you're not comp- your district is not completely implicated by you don't have that many federal workers or you don't have any, you know, specific things. That many snap recipients. The bottom line is the though the broad force of your constituents are concerned about government being shut down. Even if it doesn't directly implicate them in a way that Republicans don't aren't. So that's there's a little asymmetry there. But once these real things start kicking in the senate's gonna crack, and they're going to go to Mitch McConnell, and they're gonna go like, I'm not giving up my Senate seat because Donald Trump, and I'm not going to give it up it in gen- in you know, in February of twenty nineteen. So we shall see. What happens? Meanwhile. Democrats passed a nother piece of legislation and that is the for the people act. This is a great piece of legislation as far as I'm concerned, both from the perspective of it's good policy. And it's good politics. And one of the things that we were talking about as Democrats take over the house was they need to start passing things that also help them maintain power. But and it just so happens that there's a cross section in that van diagram of things that are help keep them maintained power. And also are. Based on democratic values and just simply Justice, and that, of course is of voting reform. So the Bill includes a requirement that all states automatically registered voters who submit paperwork to a state government agency, unless the person ops out, so that's motor voter registration that it's I mean, it expanded whatever business you would have with the state, Medicaid anything. Good stuff provide same day voter registration in every state allow fifteen days of early voting with sites located near public transportation. Use nonpartisan redistricting commissions to draw new congressional maps, this is like the whole thing that like Greg Sargent called for the other day, enable online voter registration count provisional ballots from eligible voters filed at wrong polling place and use paper ballots in addition to electron voting systems it. Would ban post released felon disenfranchisement? So that's five million Americans would regain their voting rights. Bill, however would still allow states to disenfranchise people while they're in prison. States would be banned from engaging in voter caging, which is that stuff like cross check. It would be impermissible for states to remove someone from the voting rolls for failing to vote in a previous election, which is often used if you haven't voted in the past election. You got a letter, and you didn't return it. You get kicked off the rolls. Election day would be a federal holiday for two million plus federal workers and non-government employers would be encouraged to give the day off to private-sector employee's that doesn't go far enough in my mind. It should be national holiday but colleges and universities to be designated voter registration agencies. Absentee ballots would no longer require postage. So you wouldn't get votes thrown out or be any more difficult to vote that way, it would increase funding to help states update and secure election infrastructure. The election assistant commission would oversee these updates and mandated reports on its progress. So we get a sense of what's going on around the country. The election systems would be deemed critical infrastructure. It went on to say. To to resolve some declarations in findings, which will basically be the premise for future legislation that will be introduced soon, including fixing the Voting Rights Act section five. We've been talking about this for for years since the supreme court rolled it back. 2013 that Representative Teri Sowell Sewell from Alabama introduces legislation which will move on a separate track during the committee's. There's also the Bill also asserts support for statehood for district of Columbia protects native American voting rights and the right to vote in US. Territories it also addresses campaign finance reform. And this is the most interesting part, it creates a public financing system for house elections that provides six dollars in public funds for every one dollar and funds raised from donations up to two hundred dollars. So people understand that now New York City has a very similar program. In fact, that reminds me. No, Miki conce is running for public advocate. In the next eight days. I think it is your donation of up to I think it is two hundred fifty dollars will be matched by the city by eight times. So if you donate ten bucks to her or twenty five bucks to her if you if you donate ten bucks to her. It's gonna be worth eighty if you vote one hundred dollars it's going to be worth eight hundred dollars to her. And I believe this goes until the next eight days. So we've got a link at majority dot FM to to go and do that. No pitch for membership today. Just go do that. But this, but aside from that, the New York City one is a is a great program. And this would be great to have. Nationally. In addition. It also includes the disclose act which mandates that nonprofits and other groups disclosed their sources when they contribute to election campaigns, a lot of these five three C once now that purport to be nonpartisan. This is the way that they get dark money into campaigns. Package. Honest ads require act requires a disclosure of digital political ads on tech platforms. The F E C would be reconfigured from six members to five to prevent deadlocks on important issues. It's more often than not they they deadlock and nothing happens coordination between super PACS and candidates would be more clearly defined and banned. There's also a surgeons and findings that would implicate future legislation including a declaration that the constitution should be amended to overturn not just citizens United. But also Buckley v Vallejo. The Bill states and intent to ban anonymous shell companies from funding campaigns to prevent the potential for secret foreign money to seep into elections. And then there's some ethics ref reforms as well. And the supreme court would be covered under that ethics code. So Ginny Thomas might have to find a different job. Rather than being a conduit to her husband and right wing money. So this is all good stuff. And here is Nancy Pelosi, basically gaveling in and. Expressing what they intend to deal with in the democratically controlled congress. This congress must accelerate a future that Vance's America's preeminence in the world and opens up opportunities for all building comedy that gives all Americans the tools, they need to succeed in the twenty first century public education, workforce development, good-paying jobs and secure pensions. We have heard from too many families who wondering this time of innovation globalization. If they have a place in the economy of the future. We'll must remove all doubt that they do and say to them individually, we will have an economy that works for you. Player that we will Paul upon both thinking to address disparity of income in America, which is at the root of the crisis of confidence felt by so many Americans as Justice Brandeis said we may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we cannot have both. We must end that injustice and restore the public's faith in a bitter future for themselves and their children. There you have it. So that is day one for the Democrats in the house. One of the story before we go to the the callers. There was an important ruling this happened. I guess actually on the twenty eighth couple days ago and. Again, the implications of of elections are go far much further. I think than we anticipate and some of the most important. Dynamics that implicate policy in effect. The real lives of people happen at surface that below the surface in a way that we can't see. And this is this story sort of combines a couple of things that I don't think people think about enough so in twenty fifteen the National Labor Relations board which had a majority of democratically appointed commissioners. Because Barack Obama was the president, and they have five year, terms and unions have a lot more sway over democratic president. Even if he never put his walking shoes on and walked with them in Wisconsin, which was a huge disappointment. But unions have much more sway over democratic president than they do over Republican president. And so those labor those commissioners were very pro labor. And in a a pretty dramatic ruling in two thousand fifteen. The NFL are b. Rule that companies and franchisers with both indirect and direct control of employees could be held liable for labor violations committed by contractors or franchisees. So what does that mean? It means that the the McDonald's and can't know Hieaux owned by. Brendan. Can be held that that not only can Brandon beheld liable for punishing people who go out on strike or for wage theft. But McDonald's headquarters Cantu because McDonalds has enough control over what that franchisee does. Even though he's the owner, they set the prices, they set a lot of the standards. They have enough control that they are considered joint employers. This was this particular case was centered on a business called Browning ferris in California. Which is a recycling company. And they contract with another company to provide. Workers to sort and clean the recycled products. So in two thousand thirteen a union petitioned, the National Labor Relations board to represent. These these contractor workers, not browning-ferris, but the other company lead point lead point. But also Browning ferris was named as joint employer. So this is what these companies do they hire basically temp agencies. So that they don't have the responsibility, the labor responsibility for these people. And the National Labor Relations board said no you can't get away with it. The Trump administration. And is obviously against that ruling tried to reverse it can't on its own. They were taken to court. Well, the DC circuit court. A panel of three judges just ruled two and what two to one in favor of the National Labor Relations board, ability and responsibility. To hold employers in that situation as jointly liable for labor violations, etc. Etc. And. There's two things you should know about this. One is. The Trump National Labor Relations board cannot reverse this. In fact, they have a responsibility a statutory responsibility to rule in this way. And so there is legal leverage anytime, they don't. Going forward. But to. The judges the two to one decision in this panel of judges were appointed by Obama. The reason why they were able to appoint these judges. And if it goes to the entire on bunk as they say of the DC circuit court, the reason why they will lose their two is because Harry Reid got rid of the filibuster. When Republicans were refusing to see more judges on that court. It was four four. They wouldn't seat the other three judges. It's supposed to have eleven members. They said that's eight is plenty. This is the most important court, and we've talked about this court a lot this is one of the most important courts after this. This is the most important court in the country after the supreme court, and in some ways, it's more important because deals with a lot more cases. And the reason why this is going to stand for labour is because. A democrat with whom I had many many policy disagreements was there. So in that can't know Hieaux McDonald's. They're going to be subject to. To wage increases or they're not going to be able to punish their workers for going out on strike, but fight for fifteen. There's going to be a lot of Justice for workers because of this. Now, it's possible. It could go to the supreme court. And we now have a Republican controlled supreme court. It's conceivable the overturn it. But I imagine. If that happens it won't happen for a couple of years. And who knows but these are the implications of all of these things that happened years ago that will have implications going forward. And it's important to be aware of like, you know, much of the governing that happens happens on this level. And you know, unless you read the national law review, you're not gonna see it. For I guess the intercept also reported on coned. All right. Let's go to the phones, shall we? You calling from a to one zero area code who's this? Good afternoon. Famas Johnson and Tonio Sean in San Antonio. You're in pole position twice in two thousand nine hundred already you going for some type of like a record. I mean, just just interested to make my point here. Okay. All right. Okay. Yeah. On a dress them issues for my call on Wednesday. I agree with Michael that when you considering supporting a candidate Pol policy should be the main factor. You know, Bernie put out a fundraising Email on December twenty seven stating. I'm the best candidate to be Trump. Then I'll probably run one of the rare occasions where I disagree with Bernie. And it seems like a hedge because you know, what is he basing this on is it on the assumption on the hypotheticals, did you know, 'cause he's been slightly behind the Biden for almost two years. And I don't think he's basing this on some kind of abstract feeling and I encourage Bernie to run because he said largely against Trump though, not as large largest Biden. And I I want to express my disagreement with you about the reliability of long-term hypothetical polling. I'll acknowledge that the longer you. Go back is decrease in the reliability of polls. But there are. Are exceptions. You mentioned how Jeb was weeding and Michael mentioned how Lieberman was leading couple months after the midterms. And I'm basing it on looking a month back for for polling data based on an average of polls for the election that was taking place. Twenty two months later, though Romney was actually beating Jeb at that point two thousand fifteen the only other eventual nominees did not have pulling leads at this point in the twenty first century were Obama and McCain in two thousand and seven. So the fact is that a majority of way, we made you twenty first century. Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, how many elections have there been in the twenty first century? So so in the twenty first century had polling lead at this point the election. The ratio is sixty percent to forty percent. So if you fast forward, six months later, once Trump got in he quickly had pulling weeds, it replicated, his leads. Did he had in April of two thousand eleven when he was considered running, and he never relinquished that leading two thousand fifteen and one of your greatest moments as an analyst when you're on Hayes this show after Trump and now, and you said Trump will probably win the Republican primary. I think it's because of your dedication to your job. I believe you mentioned the those leads from two thousand eleven on this show, or at least remembered that they happened, and I'll admit that in two thousand and three after Lieberman did not run Howard Dean had lead before Carey took over and the lead in January two thousand and four never didn't. He. Never relinquish that. Lead in January two thousand and seven McCain and Obama had primary leads that spread that spurred them the victory over Clinton and Giuliani who had national December two thousand seven the biggest roller coaster ride for pulling was in the Republican primary of two thousand and twelve where right. You know at this point Romney did have a lead. But then, you know, Trump Huckabee Perry Cain and Gingrich all had Leeds before Romney took over in February of two thousand in twelve. So you know, it's been twenty seven years since Bill Clinton who's pulling it one percent won the nomination and forty three years since Jimmy Carter achieved the same feat. The fact is historically people who are in the middle or the back of the pack. Even at this point, you know, rarely win the nomination of their party, you know, every nominee the twenty first century had polling or delegates. Leads by February of the year of the election. So do you wanna comment on that? Or do you want to talk about? I mean, you know, the. All I can tell you is. I don't I mean, I don't want to. I don't have a strong comment on the validity of polls at this point. There are I think the idea that in some instances, they are accurate in some instances. They're not in the context of the the twenty first century. I think indicates my contention that they're only they're they're not they're only somewhat reliable. But to that extent. If you if you if you think it's the case that. If you think it's the case that Trump is the, you know, if you think the pulling that important that all I can tell you look at the polls, and it doesn't look like Trump can win. Right. Like doesn't like like if you look at the the polling, right? I'm looking at like the last NBC while Street Journal poll, and this was from I don't know, I guess in December. Definitely Trump twenty three percent. Although week later it was actually eighteen percent. Probably Trump eighteen percent. So thirty six percent of the population. That says either definitely or probably Trump definitely democrat is like thirty eight percent. Probably democrat is another eighteen percent. I mean other fourteen percent. So you're already over fifty percent and a generic democrat versus Trump now. But we don't know if it's going to be Trump Trump could get hit by a bus. You could have a heart attack get chicken bone. I mean who knows? I think the most important thing is maybe not the exact numbers. But the fact that there's no evidence that anyone would be substantially better than Bernie at beating Trump. So that's not an argument that against him. Evidence. What I said yesterday. That's exactly what I said. Now, what takes my point agreement? That's doing that is what I Michael Brooks yesterday. Bernie would don't reverse yourself. Compelling arguments that I'm sure I can't back up with statistics. Just like would make sense. Then shouldn't have thought expire. No one is refuting that the polling broadly. Speaking may be Biden's pops up in one poll, that's better. But broadly speaking, no one's refuting that. With Mike from I gotta say if I am going to end this is not based on polling. This is purely based on both substantive as well as stylistic arguments in instincts, the the worst and the ones that I'm scared of our Jila brand Booker and Harris from pure in addition to having problems a lot of problems and politically and ideologically, I think that I don't see them being Trump necessarily, we could get to point where anybody who'd be Trump because it's such a disaster. But even this far out those of you know, but those are the three it's worth noting. I have a huge question Mark about their capacity to do it needs to be done to actually win a general. Well, this on the other hand, here's the beauty is that a prime member Mary much more primary gives you actually a sense of like how they actually will be as a candidate. Sure. I don't know. I still laying markers be much harder for Bernie Sanders to win the primary and the general. Election. Interesting John, thanks for the call pre sheet it. Okay. Thank you. John seems like he's like he's like. Some type of joke. John John pulls up from top of the key. I like how he also butter. He smacked you around. But his, Yup. Right. Yeah. Like it. Like you were wrong. But you are also right? That was a great moment yet on Hayes your now, supposes pathetic, six five. Oh, Eric who's this where you calling from? Hello. Hello. Hello. Is it me? Yeah. It is. Can can you hear me? Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Jackson Powell Alta, Jack from Palo Alto. What's going on? Guys. I first time caller. I listen to you guys every day. I used to watch Fox News for our MSNBC for our that was just Portugal on me. Jack. Why'd you do that to yourself because I try to be, you know, get both sides of it. Okay. And informed myself. And then I found you guys, and I just want to clone say happy new year, and thanks so much of for informing me and being funny as well. And yeah, I really have questioned for you guys. Will you think pay go? Well, I think pay goes bad. And I think, you know, the there's a statutory requirement from pay go, which I think it would take it would take the Senate and the house to overturn. But there's also just sort of a a secondary sort of house rule, which I think there was some there's some belief out there that if you were to get rid of the house rule. Okay. So there's two different things. One is there's a law that was passed by congress and by the Senate, and then there is sort of a. A directive if you will that the house can't that that the house rules. I mean, it's it's not as it doesn't have the same force of lodge. Just by what congress needs to operate under at the you know as decided at the beginning of the year, just by congress, right? Something to become a law needs to be passed by the house and the Senate and then signed by the president. And I think it would have been a good sign. A two for the house to have gotten rid of that. So that they at the very least. Are publicly declaring that it is unnecessary to. To have stuff be deficit neutral when you pass this agenda now. There was an argument that you can waive this. There's going to be an attempt to to get rid of it after the fact, that's all well and good. But so I was a little disappointed by that. But I guess, you know, from what I've seen in terms of the reporting the progressive caucus decided that there were there were bigger fish to fry. But in general, it's bad. I mean, look, there's two different ways. You can look at this. You can look at this. That deficit spending is specifically required in times of of slow economic activity. And you can also look at it as deficit spending is completely irrelevant because of the nature of our monetary system and under either one of those perspectives pay go is silly. And it's also silly from a political standpoint. So and I because I just don't think there's that much of a constituency out there that are looking for their legislation to be value revenue. Excuse me deficit neutral. I just think don't. Go ahead. And. I just also another question. How many times do the Republicans hostages weapon the face with Donald Trump's, and that's the toot before they actually will lies that supporting him will damage the party? And I hate Republicans. I have Republicans in my family lose the why I had to watch FOX's because I had to get their talking points and know how to the debate them at the family table because with the disability ill. My housing situation is a little bit. If he and I will choir, you know, managing stuff with my family and not getting into completing the arguments. So. Yeah. My sympathies that year. Him in the face. I can tell you what that number is. It's called Infinity. We will never get there. There will never be a moment where they go. Hey, wait, a second. This guy seems to be a bit of a jerk and clueless. That's not going to happen. So all I can tell you is. Hanging there and have fun at those family meals. Remember, you know, a lot of other things to recommend your family aside from politics. Absolutely. I tell them to what she in. You know, check you guys all the time. And I feel like they, you know, some of them have started to 'cause they go. Wow, you're so you're so you seem to know of within you seem to be so header on these issues. Oh, yeah. You should check out the majority will. So you guys have a great day toll everyone to sue your say what's up, and it was thanks, man. High shit Jack from Palo Alto college five one zero area code who's this where you can. That me yet is you. Oh, hi, FAM. This is ISSA from Indiana listening to you guys. I'm good. I've been listening to you guys for a few months now, I love you guys just wanted to I guess call into kind of a little bit defend tool Gabbard because she did vote against the pay go provisions during the house vote last night. And also, I think in general regarding India, I know Michael had mentioned being anti imperialist on all fronts, not just against American period. Resum, and I think like a forgotten aspect of India is that it has experienced hundreds of years of Islamic imperialism with the mobile dynasty. So and like a lot of leftists in India want to learn about politics, and like political ideology from the west and kind of map that over and it doesn't map over as neatly an easily. So I feel like a lot of people. In the west or little I wanna say maybe misguided about where people are coming from. When they talk about like religious minority issues in India. So can I. Can I can I just say, okay? So I understand like in the grand sweep of history that that might be true like in a very long-term sense. But in the last say, like just postmodern independence, and at least when I'm responding to is let's get really specific when Mody was head of Gujarat state like the right, essentially, I don't forget the title. But who's governor, right? Would be like the analogy. There was a two day cut like mass murderer of Muslims like and Christians as well. Now, there's disputes of like what was the precipitating event. And there's a dispute basically of whether Mody actually ordered and was part of literally like orchestrating mass murderer or whether he just simply totally stood by and watched it and let it happen now in the eighties. The congress party stood by wall seeks were murdered after the assessing. Nation of Indira Gandhi. So I get that there's a Hispanic for that too. But that being said, this guy was banned from visiting the United States, and you know, in the United States. It was not because of the Muslims. It was because of Christians, right? Like, this guy is directly a participant in a serious crime against humanity. And that sense of of Hindu, far, right politics. I understand what it criticizes with a western Centric perspective. But it also negates like if you read I'm a big I'm very influenced by Martin he wrote in the argumentative Indian about the history of Indian pluralism and Indian Hindu, right and Muslim tradition. The Hindu, right? Like every other right wing fascist movement invents history that excludes others and is chauvinist right now. Right. So she supports that. I can't get with that. And it tracks with Syria tracks with Israel attracts with her refugee stance. Like, that's why it matters to me. I I think it's something again. Into and there's subtle points made for sure, but there's big macro takeaways that make her a big problem. Yeah. I mean, I agree. Like, I don't think she should have like blanket support from. Oh, the I I don't either even though a lot of people around me do I mean, there's definitely like you can have a more nuance criticism. Like he's doing good and some like sociocultural ways, but he's also pushing neoliberal liberal agenda behind the scenes, obviously. So yeah. Like, I get that there's nuance to it. But I guess like the left is just really when sometime. Sick. Boy, stuck just gotta say specifically that he was complicit in the mass murder of several thousand people in two days, including like we're talking like cutting uteruses off a pregnant woman stomachs like I mean, how is he complicit? He didn't order the security forces to stop it from happening at the least. And that's the most benign Turpin. There's credible reports that he instigated it and called for it in his rhetoric and people close to him and his government have been arrested and charged on it. Well, look, here's the bottom line there. I am glad that she is providing a vote in on. In situations. Like, the pay go thing. And I think that's helpful. I just think to the extent that we push back on these things. It's not so much that she's not right to be congresswoman from a Hawaii. It's that there is stuff that's going on. And she and she has a good record on some other things too. I'm not so excited about her sort of full throated. It's what what comes off to me is full throated endorsement of of of sod in Syria. It's one thing to say we shouldn't be there. But it's another thing to say we shouldn't be there because we don't have the ability to to have a good outcome as opposed to like Assad is just the guy who loves people right in. And so the the issue I think for us is is less that she shouldn't be a congresswoman from Hawaii that the. The the deification of her is unwarranted and is dangerous. And I think that's where we're fan. But I I'm sorry. What was your name again? He shouldn't. All right. What you should think. So much of the phone call. I appreciate it. All right. Thank you. Thanks, michael. Thank you so much, please call back. I wanna I wanna do more. And learn more about it for sure. And obviously doing more this on my show. Gone for four zero five area code who's this? Where are you calling from? Eri Evan Gregory from Oklahoma, Gregory from Oklahoma. There is long time. No talk to. Yeah. The internet. What's going on? Oh, oh, everything. Nothing. Let's see here. Last time. We talked was like April west years. Okay. So let me start. I've walked to say try keep a short that. There's a lot here. Let me see here. Gregory don't don't don't don't don't make this everything since last April. All right. Like just like okay highlight since November. Okay. So I became really depressed last year. A lot of bad stuff happens of. Like, my parents got divorced or arguing divorce. I'm sorry to hear a lot of things. Yeah. A lot of things in my personal life. Kind of got you know, out of whack. So I had to deal with that. And. The here had some issues with all to going on in my state, not very not looking very good here. Oklahoma, although one ram proud about which you guys didn't really talk about is. We finally have our congressman from Oklahoma. Who's a democrat in? It's for my district, Oklahoma City district. That's good can. Yeah. It's a really good. She's a beacon of hope for Democrats here in Oklahoma. Because we were like really just appointed. That are gubernatorial candidate lost to Trump mini-me. Oh, so, you know, education health gonna keep going shit here in the state because soon here and. Yeah. So some those gonna say, oh, I've had a revelation about Jimmy door. Oh, all right. But wait a second. How I that. All I heard that we the rest of us in the studio were concerned about your well being Greg. But now, yo Sam. I've got a comment on on your parents split. But let's here we have today by Jimmy door. I. Well. Well, all during August September play. My depression was real like bad jump. I stopped following politics. Order bit. Are you can watch shooting Jordi report? And but I remember watching Jimmy door video where he criticized C four endorsing injury quote move right after the primary, right? After I started thinking a little bit more about Jerry or how he doesn't really like medium. We might be both addressing and thinking more to the locker fees. But for me, I support the Democratic Party. And I want to change the didn't protect party he does really care about and knee, washing his videos, kind of like, you know, made me feel like weird about watching videos and also the person trying to change the Democratic Party. I kinda feel like in a way he's childish towards that idea. At the end of the day. If we don't change the Democratic Party. It's still better to have the hours, and you know, not right? But Gregory me like you are doing great. And you know, you have Carl back tech. She did not officially endorse Cuomo. She gave an antidote answer to an interview question where she was like, I support all the Democrats. Right, right. Right back amount. She dance video because she loves him so much. She went also very last summer. I joined the essay. Oh, good. Awesome. Gross. Yeah. Greg everything sounds like it's going well for you. I can tell you this about the the break-up of your parents having both had my parents split and being part of a split. I can tell you that it gets better. You know with some time. I know it's difficult very difficult difficult. I'll be I'll be twenty one next fun then like their adversaries like right after my birthday. So I it's like. Awesome. 'cause like. I'm not gonna get into get into to to deeply. But I can tell you this like, you know, you got up their people they deserve happiness going forward. You are all going to be happier. You're still a family. It's just a you're structured a little bit differently. And so, you know, your parents still love you. So that's the important part. And you, you know, certainly, if you I mean, you know, joined DASA you got that going for you, and you realize the Jimmy door is not worth watching. And so as far as I can tell buddy you doing good so hang in there. All right. Thank C doing what you're doing guys. Thanks, greg. Take care. Greg gluckman? There you go. That's one of those guys that you're talking about. What's that billionaire that should homestead leftists jam subsidy? Pigs. Jack. Gone from two six seven area code who's this where you calling from. Hello. Hello. Oh, hi, hi. This is STAN from Philadelphia Stanford. Nice to talk to you. Yeah. Here. I would bring up a two things wine. I really cook story is that like I was encouraged by Mike and calc linski to call my Representative or a Representative after that whole of haute in congress to about Yemen. Trying to pull us out. Yeah. Yeah. So I I follow their advice. And you know, I'd never done it before I called my Representative. I was really so I called, but I didn't know untold me that anyone would actually answer. I thought it was gonna be like an answering machine. I Iran I was going to rant. You know? Right. Really, let them know how I was very unhappy. But no someone actually entered and it's very different. To do something like that. When there's like, a nice staffer who's politely ass answering your questions, you know, Kyle was saying like, you know, like, they're the genocide caucus. I think or was his name for them. And so, yeah, it's it's it's an empowering a moment to actually call your inventive. Something you've been encouraging yourself many times before you know, the bottom line is. They these people are they're they're they're normal people. I mean in the sense that they react to things like people normally do. And so if you call and you sound like a, you know, a responsible, you know, calm individual. It's going to have more weight. I mean at the end of the day, it's just a number. But. If you know, there's no doubt my mind that these staffers get off the phone, and they go. Whoa. You know, they'll they'll take it down. They'll put you in the computer, and they'll say one call and that call is worth they have an algorithm. I don't know what it is these days. I would imagine, you know, I don't know what it is. But it you represent hundred maybe two hundred maybe five hundred people in the district that one call and on top of it when you get off the phone, you know, when they're done answering the phones at the end of the day. There's no doubt my mind. They go into the chief staff, and they're like, how do these caller sound? And if that person says. Sound like very rational people that that implicates their thinking on this. I mean, it does I don't know that's gonna change anybody's mind, but it does. And so, you know, it's all sort of the same theories that clean for gene movement. Fortunately society is changed in such a way that you don't always have to wear a suit to look like a responsible individual. But think yeah. But but appreciate your call on us. And or. So I was also going to talk about the the Guatemalan child who who died. Yeah. So the big I believe it was democracy. Now who brought up the fact that you know, she wasn't an digit. I mean family, and how her whole tribe was uplifted uprooted by like a US in western extraction policies, and how they actually had to around their tribe to escape this extractive policies that we've been lamenting right on their on their land. Right. And then from there, it's kind of like a direct line. Also with the violence that we've spread in Central America, drug policy or through are just packed. Right. And all of these things, you know, had pushed their family right to to force them. Great to us, right? And. Then v idea that it's simply a choice. Right. You know, Kristen gel brand gets Fox News and says, you know, this is a choice. He made com. Kristen gillibrand Kristen Nielsen. Christmas. Thank you. Sorry about that to come to come to the board to to take on dangerous trek. And then she dies, and I think through the direct line of thinking in this in this conservative mindset relates back to your call with that libertarian gentleman. I forget his name. But he had said something about how you know. It was wrong for the north to the man to demand that sleeves be released. Right. And how it's so easy to sacrifice bodies. Right. The the bodies of of black and Brown people in that like, well, we should have gotten some sort of dialogue southern slave owners. Right. And then to convince them to. To release their slave or wait for my market forces to allow that to happen. Meanwhile, generations of black people would have been born and died in slavery under that brutal system. But it's just okay. You know, I just, you know, the news like this spectrum this long tradition in the conservative mines that simply sacrifice. He's bodies for you know, right Bronco white comfort. You it's also you could also say that there's a lot of racist the principal in the in the way that they operate predate the call STAN the three of the children that have died at the border were all indigenous spoken digits languages, right? And. Yeah. I mean it. You can also see it in terms of like sort of these the there is some type of a lot of also to sort of comes from this sort of conservative mindset that. Quasi religious that. Like if you found yourself in a bad situation, it is because in some way, you you deserve it and whether it's like poverty or whatnot. And of course, but you know, I saw the story today. We don't have the clip of it. But in Britain, there was a there was a headline something like, you know, judge says drug dealers can get off because they're Texas the texts that they wrote had such great grammar. And it was like the whitest defendants you could ever find. Right. I mean that is days. My that kilo be procured. Well, and it also turned out that there grandma's actually atrocious. That's the other. That's the other benefit you get by grammar. Yeah. They had great grammar. That's the rate. Where's everyone round? Here's grammar. Couple of clips this this clip, I actually found pretty touching. The for the first time. Native American woman was elected to congress. And in fact. We have to this year. I is Deb how intolerant Holland who was it on this program. I interviewed her for was in the at net roots nation and the second cherise David's. David's is a an attorney and a former mixed martial arts of fighter. She's a member of the ho-chunk nation sell for the first openly LGBTQ member of congress from her state, and Holland is a member of the Laguna Pueblo. She's an attorney and she went served as their state's Democratic Party chair here. The two of them hugging. It's it's pretty touching. As an order. Congratulations. You are now all members of the one hundred and. It's very sweet. That you know at grandma. Meanwhile. Really enjoying this incoming class of of of a big, of course, sees great. But I've been going strong in the like, let's always include Rashida to live and our shot outs. And she's the Damian Lillard to the Steph curry, yes. And just the the class rage the energy. I love it. Yeah. She's she is someone who's going to need a lot of support in her next election because she got in there. It was a bit of a surprise. I think and they're going to be going for. I mean, they're going to gun for AFC. But I- good luck with that. I think they're going to have a tough time on seating her. But Rashida tha Leib she's, but she is not it does not appear that that understanding that she's going to have to fight very hard for her election is in any way, inhibiting her expression of as a congresswoman she is. I'm not sure from where in Michigan. She's from imagine close to Detroit. I think it is. Right. She was endorsed by the Detroit DSL that makes me. Thanks. She's from near there. She was. Yes, she's a. Conyers district. Yeah. So there was a I guess a function for move on dot org, and here she is speaking about what she hopes will happen to Donald Trump. And you win when your son looks at. You says look you won Billy's. Don't let baby they talked because we're going to go on there. Really peace motherfucker. The well they're posting their swearing congresswomen. Do how I've just I've al- political skepticism of the impeachment that you have. And then it's like that. Well, that was the best case I've ever heard, right. Exactly. Now, it's articulated like that then I totally support this effort. I hope the right wing manages to put that to music. So they. So they could attacker, right? Oh, there's tons of outrage. Cupid's rashida. Well, I mean, it's like, okay. The I the as the obvious with arts Trump, but even even on a smaller level, and I I don't care. I think the best thing about Tom Perez is his swearing, but like Tom Perez out there. Carrying some norms are bad and to be respected point scarred. Her her son was like a Palestinian Americans. He's out of super easy life ever dealt with any kind of challenge. Here's mom say the F word about this grotesque monster that runs our country must a little bit nervous. Yeah. And even congress people that I'm not necessarily fan of our at least saying the right things, here's represented Madame shift. I I'm not I don't, you know, I I don't have strong feelings about Schiff one way or another. I'm not voting records fairly decent. Not great. But here is Chris Hayes. Let me put this way. This is a good measure of where the Democrats are today as opposed to less than a decade ago. Here is Chris as interviewing Adam Schiff broader questions question. I want to ask all democratic leadership. We're living right now through this era of kind of polarization institutional norms finding and I think maximalism, increasingly employed. Tactically, legislatively, K one of the big victories or. Congress when they got the majority two thousand ten a use the debt ceiling default as a kind of threat to get no steady legislation passed it worked. It was incredibly reckless. It was unprecedented. Nearly what is your personal theory of your wielding of power, and you respect from norms balanced against imperatives to deal with what you're dealing with. Well, I think we need to get back to operating rationally and civilly we have to stop holding the government and all of its employees and contractors hostage when you can't get the votes for your priority. Whether it's a wall or anything else, so we need to get back to some rational order. We don't want to repeat the mistakes the excesses the over zealous. Partisanship of the Republicans. I hear that all the time. But what if that's the way the world works? Now, what if you cannot unilaterally put Humpty Dumpty back together? I don't accept it. And I can't accept it. I think you know, we fight hard, and we fight tough and smart for our priorities. But we also recognize something bigger than us that we're going to come and go in this beautiful building behind us, and we have an obligation to the entire country and and to its institutions right now, this is the most precarious time in my lifetime. In terms of our? Public. We have a president who denigrates the freedom of the press who goes after the independence of the judiciary. And in so many ways, I think is threatening the the livelihood of our democracy. The answer to that cannot be more of the same that just drags us. All down congressman shifty new chair. Now, the part that I that that I'm I hang my hat on on some level is that his criticism of breaching of norms all of the Republicans. I don't expect this guy to get out there and say we're gonna impeach them the effort, but I do think that there is an awareness there that they cannot allow we saw in the context of the the rules that they passed where the Gephardt rule, for instance, where there's no longer a separate vote on extending the the debt ceiling or raising the debt ceiling stuff like this where they used to do because we want him make the process fluid wanna give people like they're basically saying, look, we're done playing those type of games. Now. I don't know how long that lasts. And I can understand why shift, you know, not using the same sort of partisan language that we see from others because he could very well be the the guy who is presenting the most amount of evidence in that impeachment trial. Frankly, what if shift concert sort of workers are Jeff flake where he just acts like as if this is returning dorm order, but meanwhile, the grounds underneath him are swell into massive progressive action. That's what I've always wanted to. That's like the guy like the person who runs like a Clinton or Tony Blair campaign. And then just like governs like Corbin or Sanders, but it always like this massive reappropriation of housing to give to homeless people. That's a public private partnership. This is the third way. Exactly. Well, that's my plan for the libertarian debate for the presidential debate. That I go to be attending. I saw somebody security libertarian somebody on my social security. The libertarians definitely third way and somebody my discord I said. What do you think about as as as as, you know, offering because for being honest, clear, not sort of your you're on the the center of the libertarian party? I am in the radical center of libertarian SEIs Lii and to appeal to grand coalition well block running mate. I mean, I would maybe. Well, yeah. Let's Walter block. Wow. That's fascinating proposal. What are your views concerned? Just spit ball. He couldn't anything Jewish ship. The federal government being that business really be that business to roll Sam, but you ever play chart play chess thirteen. Philias reducton day free agents. This is interesting AFC was on Anderson Cooper. We're not gonna play the video because CBS very up tight about that. But we will play the audio and. It's interesting like this is just an example 'cause Brendan I were listening to this beforehand. And it's truck me there was two options that today. Oh, see had an answering this question and both are worthwhile. But it's interesting construction, but you know. Let's just listen. This is interesting Cooper giving her the like. Krino deal. What planet are you from type of questioning because they're they are they get very nervous with anything that is left of left of center. Is it his mom like Gloria Vanderbilt? Yeah. We'll make sense or just me. He doesn't even like, you know, Anderson Cooper's got a nice chunk of change himself. I mean, it is the fear is not that they're gonna they're they're they're wealth is going to be x appropriated the fear is just of like. There's just an uncomfortable. Ity I think inherent uncomfortably with with any type of genuine leftist proposal, and this isn't even that radical. But that's the issue here you're talking about zero carbon emissions. No USA fossil fuels within twelve years. That is the goal. It's emphasis on how was that possibly everybody. Having to drive an electric cart. It's going to require allows think about this. Like the idea. I we are inundated with stories about self driving cars, right? Like like like, the idea that interesting Cooper would say to someone like every like self driving cars in twelve years. He would never say that like technology like the idea that we all have electric cars and twelve years is that really? That crazy of. Can't get out of the paradigm where everyone drives rowdy cars all the time. Require change your infrastructure. Totally right, Jamie. But that even undermines even more hell ludicrous. That is like more people being electric cars is like the easiest part by far of any like the part that all businesses on board with the part that there's aren't Dion the part that we valorize in every form of media with tesla like issues. Bizarre. It's like the most like, yeah. Like, I say like, well, then certainly by twenty years, we think that there's going to be that. We're not going to be driving all electric cars and twenty years ABC's and urban planning is going to be completely different. What does he think? What it what it when Jerry Brown just signed all California's renewable I think in twenty years of target. What did you think that means Jerry Brown's like an gust respected, centrist governor that such bizarre. Pull. Now, if she said, we're all going to be driving electric jet packs that would be crazy know but gun. I was that possibly everybody having to drive an electric car. It's going to require a lot of rapid change that we don't even conceive as passable right now. What is the problem with trying to push our technological capacities to the furthest extent? Possible would require the raising taxes there's an element where yet there people are going to have to start paying their fair share in taxes Jewish specific on the tax route. You know, you look at our tax rates back in the sixties. And when you have a progressive tax rate system your tax rate. You know, let's say from zero to seventy five thousand dollars may be ten percent or fifteen percents et cetera. But once you get to like, the tippy tops, I on your ten million dollar. Sometimes you see tax rates as high as sixty or seventy percents that doesn't mean all ten million dollars taxed at an extremely high rate. But it means that as you climb up this. Ladder. You should be contributing more. Would you are now? I just want to say something like I don't wanna be overly critical. But she's underselling the tax rate changed in nineteen sixty three. I think under. Kennedy Kennedy, and it was dropped the top marginal tax rate was ninety percent. And it was dropped to seventy five percent or so under Kennedy and that ninety percent was not on the ten million dollar in in nineteen fifties. Nineteen early in early nineteen sixty dollars that would have been the that would have been three million you get three million. And then every dollar after three million. This is in today's dollars you pay ninety cents in taxes. So she was peddling it. But of course, to interesting Cooper who has been a news person for twenty some odd years, and I get it. We're all busy. Okay. But you could just Google historical tax rates just for the heck of it and realize like what she's saying is. A mainstream proposition or it let the very least like the like astound that like this Stanichev that he registers like either he is acting pretending or just like completely ignorant of some of the basic questions like if you get there, and you're going to ask for a specific tax rate from congress person. Would you never ask anybody like, you know, you never you never asked that question. But if you, but if you're going to, you know, it to your viewers, and frankly to your own self respect to get a sense of what she's saying means in the context of American history. Right. And he doesn't, but he responds like this like flying cars, and do you know, what if DR's threat was for the top merger rate can anybody guess hundred percent hundred percent Aleutian weeks? Yes. And and. So art, but but but continuing because he's just his mind is below she she might as well have said him like our here's the plant. Everybody's gonna walk on stilts everybody, including pets, including pets, and we can train them. We can train the pets to walk on stilts at an extremely high rate. But it means that as you climb up this ladder, you should be contributing more what you are talking. They're just big picture is radical agenda compared to the way politics is done right now. Well, I think that it only has ever been radicals that have changed this country. Abraham LINCOLN made the radical decision to sign the emancipation proclamation. Franklin Delano Roosevelt made the radical decision to embark on establishing programs like social security that is radical. Do you? Call yourself a radical. Yeah. You know, if that's what radical means call me radical. Now, here's the here. That was the part that Brendan are listening to. And I was like, I don't know if I would've taken that tact. Because she could say like, well, you know, it's not radical in the context of American politics beyond like the past twenty five years thirty years this country. You know, we're talking about ten percent of the history of this country that I understand why she took that tack, but I can tell you that an hour later. CBS headline was Alexandria Cossio, Cortes dot dot quote. Call me radical, you know, they're not gonna like now it's not that big of a deal. But this is this is like there is a tremendous amount of of forces that are arrayed to make her seem like she some type of alien some type of like of dancing on Rouf's alien. It's funny because I you know, opera pov- this. This morning at eleven twenty AM whoever runs Bernie's account. I think it was kind of indirectly responding to that said is it quote, unquote, radical to demand all Americans have healthcare that billionaires pay their first year of taxes and workers earn at least fifty an hour, and that we transform our energy system in order to combat climate change. I don't think so, and I I don't shy with all from the word radical. But I actually think it's affective, especially if you are a radical to really keep pointing out that single payer, healthcare and a slight bump in the minimum wage and doing the bare minimum scientifically necessary to deal with climate is moderate obvious shouldn't be controversial remotely. Of course. I think it was a similar construction to it. She said in the interview like I don't think she was literally saying, I'm a radical. No, no, no, no. I agree. There's two different constructions one is like. You know, the classic if you know defining down what radical means or the other is defining down what you know. What is one is defining down with the term radical is? And the other is attacking the concept that what she's proposing is radical. And so, you know, I it's just a choice. It doesn't really it. Probably didn't matter which one she chose one way or another. They were going to try and make it seem like she's proposing. You know, everybody just everybody's gonna be on stilts. That's just the way it's gonna work, and if not then you're up against the wall, but red-state caught on a little bit. This is pretty fight that we should have done this after the. You don't say. Afternoon. They're like attacks on a Qazi Cortez are reaching self-defeating levels. Let me suggest this one of the features of twenty eight was the essentially the right's favourite young upstarts socialists, defeated feeding longtime democratic member house, and it goes on. But what was justified criticism over her early mistakes of showing off her ignorance is crossing into self-defeating pointlessness and gaining her defense from fair minded conservatives. I would say not reaching self-defeating levels. I would say surpassing self-defeating levels, but I would say keep up keep up the good work. I would say, you know, thoughtful. But dude, you know, you never know there might be other clips of her out there doing things that are benign. So keep looking don't sleep on you million yourself here. She is jump roping at one point. Yes, don't forget. This is the third way in between continuing neoliberalism and full-on proletarian revolution. So third way. She's a moderate. She's the compromise candidate calling from two one four area code who's this where you calling from. Two one four. Two one four. Two one four. Let's go to call from an eight one eight area code who's this. Hello. Can you hear? Yes. Eight one eight who's this? So from Jamaica Marku, everybody. Holidays at all. Yes. Thank you. Hope yours. We're good too. Spent most of but. Sorry. Yeah. But so. Are you guys worried about ABC's security this level session is kinda weird of it? I mean seen still funded discord where anything she does there like on. I don't know. It seems kind of bizarre for me is creepy obsessed with AM. No, that's not what he means. You mean, you're not every single far-right reaction. Yeah. I get what you mean. Yes. I see I think I imagine that she's you know, being aware of it. But I I don't know that she's in any more danger or any less danger than than than most. It's conceivable. I mean, frankly, I think like, you know, the the danger is less like her, politics and more just that she's a popular woman. And this is something that I think women who are in the public eye are all you know. Subject to. But maybe she goes out in public, a, you know, a little bit more than your average sort of celebrity politician, but endangered on multiple levels. Right. Because she's a woman she's a woman of color, and she is some kind of democratic socialist. So there are a lot of people who might be act to get her. Yeah. Yeah. I've been I'm I'm just looking like even daily called when you guys brought the dance video which made their normal to me. Oh, she's not a weirdo politician. But but then though, I don't know it seems like it's all like meat red meat. So I'm a little worried about because look crazy, right? When behaved when they were in pole know that they're losing poll who knows what they're going to be. Yes. I think there's something to that for sure. But my my experiences there a lot more toxic when they're in power that they. You know that they energizes them. I it's just more of a bully mentality. I think they're toxic. No matter what I think that's true. But I mean, I guess just from my experience during the Bush years like, I know that. I was always aware of stories about you know, when Janine would get approached and threatened and whatnot. And it was, you know, close proximity to the beginning of the war in her speaking out against the war. But as you know, Republicans lost power, they they recede in some weird way. But start acting like libertarians. Yeah. Exactly. But I I I understand the concern. I appreciate the call. Dave have a happy new year. You. Go to a two one five area code who's this where you calling from. Hey Sam how? Happy holiday. Happy holiday to Michael and everybody just wanted to say hi new year. Great to hear from you. She ever good new year. But says me new years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We had a good New Year's everything's good. I'm really happy. Again. I'm kind of happy that we're in control. I mean, I kind of feel like we're the tide turning and it's better. And it's kinda like you can watch politics a little bit more now and be like not so pissed off every second. And I love how Trump's not getting as well. And I hope Nancy stays the course because we're supporting of her some feeling good about that. And I just wanted to say a few things just real quick in reference to the presidential Kenny for twenty twenty. I mean, I know it's fun to talk about everybody that wants to be president. And I know everybody has a certain person that they'd like, but don't you think that we all should just get around whoever gets nominated? Yeah. But yeah. But after the nomination, I mean, I think that's the thing is that I think look I am all for people being full on, you know, say aggressive, but but but not holding back in terms of supporting their candidate, their choices. What primaries are for? I don't believe in the concept of that you can really materially damage a candidate in a primary, particularly particularly in the national a presidential election. I don't I don't I don't subscribe to that idea. What was that? I don't subscribe to that idea played this this is not being bag, and she could hear it. Oh, it's not being bag that was just. I didn't not look it's not being back. It's not being back. I mean, like, I have a certain kind of you know, like, I will support anybody who ever. I mean, I like more that I like more that. I don't like I mean, I'm not real excited about certain ones. But. Mindy vian all subtle. Right. Coy? Choose not say talent, she's have to say, no, I just you know. I mean, I think some ways I'm always curious, right? I said, so yes, I want curious. Why are you? I would like to run. Give me would you mind giving your favorite your favorite, and you're gonna might the Twitter thing. I mean, whatever this this thing over here. Okay. The is going to get. Okay. Blowing me up way. First of all let me be before. I say that I I wanna give back from Palo Alto. Big shout out. That was a really good call. And I from Indiana, no fucking clue what she was talking about. And Greg from Oklahoma, please feel better 'cause we're all with you. Okay. Just wanted to say that. Okay. But who my dream sick? It would be you'll yell at me. I love Kamala. I love her. I don't think similarly. About politics. We would just your least favorite after I just wanted you. I'm not gonna say anything and people be don't bother Mindy on Twitter about this. We'll slowly don't care. I can take it. Sure. You can. Exactly. Twitter battle. All right. Who's your least favorite? I mean, I don't like somebody like who's who's who's who's the boring ones that are running thinking about running. I can't remote. The senators that are running what Kamla Harris, boom. I'm just no no Cup of the Senator guys that are running Booker booker's so boring. You can't sure Graham win. I'm not crazy about sharp Brown. I would not be excited about a Bloomberg grind. I'm glad like an these gone and. Call before everybody else might I say Jesus Christ. What what you're say. Of course, it went Bernie, but we always said of avenue wok and people tough we need. And then he, of course, went away anyways. All right fair enough. Well, anyway, my dream a good ticket for me while I would being a middle aged middle class woman with kind of like, I can go either progressive, or I can go centrist depending upon because of my age, I could be more centrist. But because of who I am I could be a little more progressive. I mean, I think Biden and Kamala could win that's just my opinion. I think I literally like my last choice ticket. I think as a could win. Yeah. That's totally true. Right out of the gate. That's my prediction. What's that? I think bios going to get me to write out of the gate. I don't know that he's going to even run. I don't think he's going to run because I think Bego cancels his path. But I I mean, they don't come out would be a good ticket. There's a lot of good. I mean, I'm not thrilled about Joe Kennedy. If he runs, you know, what I mean, they're all a lot of them are corporate. They're take take big money. I mean, I don't know. It's it's gonna be a tough field. I Liz with Warren. I don't know she can win. Do you think she can win? I think she can win. What about Bernie? About the main man. He's got some pretty bold ideas. Right. Was booker. He doesn't seem real Jewish to me. Are you fucking critic me? No. I like Bernie I seriously. I think that whoever wins in twenty twenty we can start refining it twenty to twenty four like to refine it to get more progressive. That's the way I think I think we just need to take back the office. I don't think Trump's gonna run again. I don't think he's going to be around to run. I think he's gonna gonna get make a deal. I think he's going to be gone by the end of nineteen. That's just my opinion. And I don't think he's going to run again. I don't think he can win again. I I don't I the the idea of Donald Trump making a deal to escape conviction after his non inconceivable. I appreciate the call Mindy happy new year. Although I predict I think it's going to be Trump Nikki Haley, and we need to particularly that's another one with centrist idiots disgusting that they ever gave her any cover, but people really need to sharpen the knives on her. And I think that I think she's going to replace Pence. And I think that in the dumb idiot new cycle that's going to get you a little bit of like, oh my God. Of course. He's a different background. And she said the Trump is rude one. She's a woman not Serra pay. Right. It's going to be disgusting. And we need to remind everybody her record what she said about Bolsonaro and be extremely aggressive. And I'll tell you something. And you know, this is why I think there's like folly, and this is why we've been saying from day one that the never Trumper phenomena in to the extent that there's any of these individuals who are sincere, and I don't know. I don't know how you rate sincerity. But even the most sincere of them are. Really, not useful. They're not useful. You can you. Can you can assume that they are? But it's really look they have no constituency, and here is here is I don't know if I would call this exhibit, a this may be exhibited. I dunno somewhere around. Jay Renee numbers. Now, right. But here's exhibit whatever of of never-trumper that is, you know, basically, showing their hint. Here's Anna Navarro. Right. She she's been a longtime never-trumper right since throng since any from the beginning. And she I mean, Trump is actually even called her out hasn't he? Yes, I've believe so I think so I think so and here she is on CNN with who else is on there with their Seville, crystal, Simone Sanders, smoking Sanders Sloan Sanders, former spokesperson for Bernie Sanders and Bill Kristol former cheerleader of genocide and and wrong about everything looks like he's eaten all his mistakes to these days. But nevertheless, I'm not gonna go there. Just. Sorry. I didn't mean to. But here's an Avar telling you, if you didn't know before that, never Trumpers are useless. But I mean, look you're going to have this is gonna be a democratic primary where maybe twenty. People put their put their name in the hat out of those five people. I think maybe ten of those campaigns very viable to go very wrong way. We need a robust primary. I think democratic voters are really looking for someone that they can trust in what they're saying. You know, I don't like Donald Trump. I'm not a fan, but the people that voted for him, trusted what he said, even though I think he's alive. So they're look voters are looking for somebody that they believe it's Kanta leeann authentically, delivering their message as a as a Republican who cannot stand Trump never supported him. Never will. I am begging Democrats to please give me somebody that I can vote for. I'm ready to vote for a potted plant. I ready to vote for a hologram. I'm not sure I'm ready to Elizabeth Warren. And so, you know, I think I hope that Democrats think about themselves falling in love and somebody that can get their juices flowing and their loved tank filled, but can also appeal to people like Bill Kristol Anadarko who really don't wanna vote for a hologram. We'd right. Vote for somebody. That's gonna pulse of brain. Who is that person for a hologram though? It could be an upgrade. Yeah. But here's the point. I mean side from like the sort of the creepy fall in love with and get your love juices flowing. We don't need and Navarro and Bill Kristol to vote for a real democrat as opposed to a hologram or potted plant who's not gonna do anything that offends them in any way. We don't need them. We just need them not to vote for Trump. And if they're not gonna vote for Trump. Great great. We have the numbers the midterm showed that if they stay home and don't vote for Trump. But you know, what they supposedly didn't last time. They're useless. So don't promote them because all they're going to do is under cut a good democrat running for office period. End of story. There is no other part of the story. That's why I just put a period, there's a phrase called, beggars dot dot dot beggars. Can't be choosers when Ronald Reagan funded contras. He did it with a degree, and it caught my love juices flowing. And when the contras murdered nuns and killed the people they did it with a of class and respect for the office. Listen think about how many Democrats you're going to lose if the standard for a to vote for a democratic presidential candidate is one that Ana Navarro and Bill Kristol convoked fulfilled. Chris potential democrat any do usually crystalline. I are looking for someone who is not overtly racist and supports many words in the Middle East. And if you cannot do that. You might not get maybe we'll should nominate Jeb Bush, Jeb Bush will be an incredible democratic nominee. He has a certain degree of class. They're gonna of integrity. Never trump. Conservatives are going to try to find a home in the Democratic Party. And this is a tactic that the Democrats have tried before and failed trying to pander to moderate conservatives wealthy suburbanites. Like, if we are going to realign the party into something that is more of a labor party than it's ever been in a long time. We can't have those people. They're useless. They're useless Jeb Bush than useful Jeb Bush, had not used the N word since at least nineteen ninety that is the type of integrity that Bill Kristol, and I are looking for along with an invasion of Iran using the proper pronounce that will give my love to knowing. All right. Lastly, speaking about love juices. This was a very sentimental moment where Mike Pence had to pretend to not be freaked out by this is really funny, as you know, Mike Pence is a. Is an ideological and a valid homophobe. He is an ideological and avowed oppressor of women his a fundamental fundamentalist Christian. Who is also a FIA crat and. He is having to swear in Kristen cinema who is going to probably be tied for my least favorite democratic Senator. But in this one moment, I'm going to allow myself to enjoy the avowedly homophobic, Mike Pence having to swear in the first out by sexual Senator on a LA book. She's also atheist not a bible, and she seems to be perfectly aware of the fact that she might have the ability to make Mike Pence uncomfortable, and is enjoying it almost as much as I am. And here we go. Frisch? Wanted you stand. You'll be right. Gonna get a spouse. Just can't. Chess. Hear what you said. Can we get a spouse? Right. Because of course, now Mike Pence is not allowed to be alone with a woman, and that is what he's referring to without. Yeah. Without? Without his wife there to protect him from the Baginda dente. So. So if you hold here put your right into the. Tips here. I'm new at this. If you write him. Solemnly support and defend the United States against all enemies foreign. Bear an elite. That you take this edition free. Any mental reservation purpose of days, and you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office which about to enter so help. Gun. Really? Congratulate g asking ask him. I feel like she asked like what what what is it like working with the President Trump? I just play it back can't make out what she said. She's giving him a hard time. Yeah. In a very. Look at the handshake. That's what I also noticed. I think she like like if she pulled the Trump in like Howard gone for awhile slight Trump pull there. But it's, but it's like she's kind of what like what's very funny to me. She's like, she's I mean flirting with them like, that's what's so funny about it. She's and she's wearing like, it's, you know, it's totally fine. But it's not like a typical like what you showing elbowing elbow. She do she showing shoulders. I mean, why big? No. I mean, but especially by pets. I think like I don't know when she's like a horrible sort of Joe mansion type all like her style, more, right? I let's let's see if we can make out what she's saying also watch the hands here. Okay. Right record, go back. He lets go and she doesn't. Yeah. Right there right there. Right. Right. Watch. Who's? Women. I. Really? He's got double the by germs now. Yeah. That was also go from horribly self reply repressed person, which is one theory or like see crushing on cinema there. Well, he no she he tried to let go of her hand. I know. But at the end, but it was like to try to let go because this is I should not feeling what I feel. By sex. Yeah. There's still much too much loved uses. Okay. Dude. That is. That's exactly why he that's that. That's the explanation for his entire world view like well, right? There's that moment with with where he lets tries to like overhand, and she holds it there to ask him one more thing and he quickly deserted. Yeah. He does it not want to be alone with women because he thinks he would just not talk to them or touch them or look at them. Right. We just wanna be tempted. Exactly temperature says he's going to go back and be like God is going to be. So proud of me for how nice. But not how hard. Won't be proud about that. Or do you think that he like takes out some type of like of of thing that you slap your whip your own back, right? Like, an Opus Dei thing. Richard on right? God he's beating himself with a switch while she like jokes about it. With a friend jarring exact like the film cut. Let's go to the phones calling from eight three to Eric code who's this? Where are you calling from? Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Yeah. Who's this? Where are you calling from? Dimitrius from Houston. It's from Houston. What's on your mind, buddy? Well, I was I want to say thank you guys so much for the work that you do you guys have been really huge influence on me. And because of that, I've become a socialist, basically. But yeah, I mean, you got you guys work is just amazing. So please keep it out. But I wanted to get your guidance take on the whole like, I don't know if you already dresses, but I want to get you guys to take on the whole Lewis CK situation and like the twice. The super weird like. MTC like stand up. They've kinda did. And how like this seems to be like a lot of right wing reactionary for like, basically taking what? Yeah. Excited over in. Like, there was this a particular tweet from I think his name is Kyle Smith. He's a like an art are like film critic for the national review. And he basically fraying CK's joke about the parkland students, basically saying that what he said was correct because you know, being survivor of school shooting doesn't give you type doesn't give you any type of policy expertise and the tweet us piss me off because it was like, well, that's not what the job was of about all the power. He was saying. You know, chest ising people these these park with students, basically being activists being young and having an opinion. Right. He wasn't Mickey some type of in-depth political. Well, let me play because yesterday we talked about it was it yesterday. I think Wednesday on Wednesday. We talked about it. I back. Two things. Okay. Let's take the parkland thing I. And let me just say broadly speaking, I mean, only heard those two minutes. I just thought it was bad comedy just to start with the parkland thing like I thought it was sort of just silly. And I mean, silly insofar as like really inconsequential, and and just not funny, I found it a little bit. You know, it's transgressive. I get it. It's a little bit shocked jockey, the part that I found that was really disturbing to me was. The the stuff that preceded that the the trans stuff I found to be even more disturbing. I mean, look the parkland stuff. I think it's a it's a dumb joke. It doesn't fit with the premise of his joke. Which was hey, you know, when I was a kid we were just f- ups, and we would just party in fifty year olds. Like me said, you know, you guys are losers. It's sort of like, you know, one thing that I know. I mean, I know Louis, and I know that he did not go through a school shooting. You know, he's definitely maybe had, you know, some definitely went through some difficulty as a kid, but but nothing that traumatic I can only imagine, you know, but, you know, comedians make make jokes like that. And they're they're, you know offensive. But I thought the trans stuff was was was far worse because. In addition to being literally a joke that you would hear someone tell in like nineteen eighty two. I think literally told many times by Rush Limbaugh using that same actual like voice that Fey voice of like, the politically, correct. You know, whatever voice that he used to be people and trans people, but also transpeople I think even back then and in addition to that that the hacking of it. You're talking about people who are there, and you could make this argument about parkland kids to, but, but they're, you know, the parkland kids, you know, exist in because of a moment as it were. But you're talking as a group of people people who are literally beaten to death because of their identity, and I mean, you know, parkland kids, obviously went through a horrible trauma. But there they don't go around it like, you know, are are potentially beaten to death because they're parkland student trans people are, and it's not only just like a stupid joke that I think is is is beneath his talent as a comedian. It's it is really like your it is it is bullying. And it is a Vera Lynn form of bullying, and the whole construction of the joke is just ridiculous. The idea that like to say the subtext of the joke is this. When we when I was twenty I was an up and fifty roads look at me go like, you're an F up. What do you do you live get it together? And now that I'm fifty I'm like looking at twenty year olds going like, what do you do with your life? Get it together. He misses the whole funny part about that. Which is that he's an old person like me and his perspective on the world has ossified. And it is stuck in the same perspective as it was thirty years ago where people should be like me that's the proper way to be a youth. Right. Which is always what the complaint old is it just it just that what being youth means changes fifty years ago. People were not taking mushrooms they were snapping their fingers listen into jazz. And that's how the. Like, you know, it's just it's just a myopic dumb joke. That also on top of it is a just a right-wing talking point. And it's incredibly bullying and insensitive, and it really disappointing. But it really betrays a lack of self-awareness, right? When calling card has always been self awareness. Absolutely. Appreciate the call. It's always been like that self-awareness in some measure, of empathy for someone who does not. Somewhat empathy. Unexpected right? Like, he's done some stuff that I think is is very empathetic and e-. That's what was so really disappointing about it. It was like there was a total lack of self awareness, toll, lack, of empathy. And he usually like knowledge is the ways in which he has shitty. And kinda makes a joke out of it. And that that's not there this time, exactly. Conference five three zero Erica who's this? Where you calling from. Hi fan. This is Steve California. Stephen cali-. What's on your mind? I have a. I was wondering if you go over a little bit. What happens with the pledged delegates at the twenty twenty democratic convention. The reason I'm asking is for example, if you had a race in which Bernie got let's say fifteen hundred delegates and Biden thirteen hundred and Warren got a thousand is there pressure slash a rule in which Warren's delegates would be prompted to vote for her. Or can they switch over and cannot be an excuse for the super delegates to come in and say, nobody got to the magic number. And so we're going to give all of our votes to Biden and pass Bernie. The I don't know when the super delegates pledge at that point. But I there's no that forty. Good. The new rule seem to be that seem to be that they're they don't come in until the second vote. But that seems to suggest that if nobody gets to the whatever the magic number is then there would be a second vote. And if you're gonna have a bunch of candidates, you're probably not going to have like last last time, it was two candidates. So you get somebody gets over fifty percent by you know, by the way that works. If you have six candidates, it's gonna be much harder or get fifty percents candidates fast pledge their pledge their delegates to another candidate. Now. I don't know if those delegates actually have to have to in. It may be a function of the state's rules Pacific rules in the Democratic Party in those states. But I don't believe that those delegates have to be faithful to whom pledges them, right? In other words, like Warren could come in say. I pledge my delegates to Bernie Sanders, and I'm pretty I'm pretty sure I don't know how faithful they all have to be. But that would be happening out, which I also happen to think would be more likely in that situation. I wanna why we're when we're beginning in talking about how it could be a good thing to have several recipes in debates, and so they can sort of debate the nuances of these issues and move the Overton window. I don't wanna get into a position in which a bunch of progressives end up screwing themselves because they let the super delegates in over John. You know, I'll check on that as we get closer to it. I'll check on that. But I'm I'm people throw their delegates to in the second round to the candidate choice. I believe appreciate the call. All right. Thank you for calling from eight five seven area code who's this where you come from. Still have twenty five people in line eight five seven eight five seven going once going twice. Hello. We got it. Just. Yeah. All right. All my. Is this literally time you've ever used the phone because it's not good. I had to speak finishing McAlpine homework. Okay. All right. What's your name? Where are you calling from? Short from Chicago, George from Chicago. What's what's on your mind? Gotta be start pick up the pace a little bit here, buddy. Okay. Sure. So my lecture is actually so I'm looking at the twenty twenty today. So I believe that Hillary is gonna make an attempt to run. Do you think it would be good shrive issue that all the progressive candidates make for the punching bag as in point out, the Houston reason that we have Trump, and you're gonna focus on your accounting homework right now. I think like know that you're like four hypotheticals down the road. I I love it. I I yeah. I don't make the punch mega. It's he'll have totally force. Putsch that pitch in the face. You're punching bag actually, you know, what boscq are my show last night. Who was the guy? I appreciate the call, man. Boscq was like if you're like this is us like peak. You know, socialist, Bernie, whatever he's like if you're still like this just I forget, the we put it. But like if you're still on Hillary Clinton, and an on an addition that if you don't feel some as your of like sympathy for just on a personal level, right? A mental unless you're always the caveat unless you've literally been like the receiving end of her policies like particularly foreign policy. That's that then. Okay. Of course. But like if you're just like schmo on the street doing your counting homework with really bad phone connection. Live hillary. Worry about it's not. Julia might never happen. Right. Calling from a let's see sounds like it's overseas come from seven seven zero Erica. I don't know. It's a plus four four who's this? Where you calling from. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. You're on. Okay. Yeah. I actually got a good quick one. It's only a few weeks away from Valentine's Day. Do you think that Trump will be inviting Brazilian president of considering they can share like fascism in the Americas as part of Allentown day celebration that would be lovely to see that would be and always better to see someone in person than send a card. That's what I always say. But put his main opponent in jail. Oh my God. His Justice minister, I put the biggest most important figure in their country in jail. Jeff Sessions wouldn't even stand the Russian time. There would much rather them just have a romantic dinner together, then decide to like invade Venezuela. Let's put it down. We're gonna put a Trump resort at the source of the zone. Appreciate the call probably in the works, man. Com from a five one seven area code who's this where you calling from got to be quick. Hey, saying this is Jake from Michigan Jake from Michigan. What's on your mind? I just want. You know, I'm home from work right now sick. That's how much I love you guys. Call in very solid sick. So something better to do. So I kind of a question about. Outdoorsman people kinds of Asianised, and and people that. Our fishermen hunters, whatever it's kinda interesting being for Michigan. And it kinda seeing different people out in the woods and stuff. And and all the diverse backgrounds political of you know, conservatives liberals right being outdoors. And I think there's a real for people to come together on this and. Basically. Basically for the over arching thing with the environment instead of bickering at each other teddy Roosevelt conservation, right? I mean, these they used to call themselves contradictions and outdoorsman and outdoors women used to be that used to be a big environmental pitch. Like you want to save the the environment. So that we can have enough, you know, animals to shoot at and or to go camping or hiking or something. Like that. Like, yeah. Look, I think that's healthy. But the NRA has done a very good job of poisoning that. Well, and you know, I think I think look there has been an attempt to over the past ten fifteen years to figure out how we can bridge this gap. And frankly when I look at Anna Navarro who has built a career on being not an never-trumper say I would vote for. For a potted plant, but not actually a thinking member of the Democratic Party who represents the fundamental values of it like fairness in whatnot. When it comes to like, you know, predatory lending whatnot. It it. I think it should drive home the point to people that it's great you go out into the woods, you're going deer hunting or pheasant hunting, or whatever it is. And you can have a good conversation with the guy next to you and get them involved. That's great. I'm all for that. But as a political movement to go start seeking out those people, I think the return on investment is just not enough to warrant the effort and the the downsides, and so that's my feeling there. But, but yeah, that conservationist thing that's been around for a long time. I understand Democrats out the, but what if you could find someone who is involved in. I don't know as an example, bankruptcy and Wachovia who signed early letter say that we should invade Iran. Then Bill Kristol and our juicy really low it drop auction. We take that like I want someone that Bill Kristol, and I can vote for you pull that as a drop, please the. Opportunity. There's for local DS's because privatization of public lands is not popular. Right. Those rights and that refrains the debate. And I think I think there are some people who also in the Nebraska section of the pipeline keystone that also the imminent domain domains. But no, but some of those people some of them particularly that when hit so hard on them, it opened them up to a wider critique of oil industry the environment. It shifted broader politics got we'll see, but I think more so than trying to get right wing populace to be left wing populace. Which is maybe not gonna happen. Like, I saw my friend try and fail miserably to get her gun loving swamp. Yankee dad into Bernie instead of Trump. He was like, Nope watched. Fox News all day. That's that's it. But what we maybe do need is to get left populace more into things like self. Defense and preparez them 'cause we might need those things down the line by think I would focus on doing the split between there are two different kinds of outdoorsman and how they see themselves. There's the one that came like basically post nineties, whereas the weekend warrior types, who by a are fifteen and Cam and pretend like they're soldiers. But there are a lot of guys just have been doing pheasant hunting since they were kids. And I think those people like they like, I think there is. No, I don't Democratic Party. You don't do think in all these areas? I do think that it's not used margin. But I do think there are some people who they're not swing voters. The dumb way. It's usually presented like they're waiting for Bloomberg. But they are actually swing voters in the sense that they are kind of not sort of all over the place. All right. I'm gonna we got to be quick on the rest of these calls here calling from six one two area code who's this. Where are you calling from? Hi, brenda. How are you? I'm doing great. And I just wanted to call and thank you for a year of fantastic podcasting and commentary wanted to Michael for I I really like, Michael he's he's fantastic. And I wanted to shout out to Jamie. 'cause I know what it's like sometimes to have to try to fight for you know, a little bit of space in a row. Phil guys. Thanks. Sorry. Not not exceptional confrontation. I know. I know they don't exist. Well, Brenda happy new year. Thanks, thanks for listening. Let's hope that, you know, I'm on site based assistance, you know, from from HUD, site based assistance was hope that that doesn't go. Hanging there. Hopefully, this'll was in the next three or four weeks. Hopefully, this is it doesn't go any pass the next couple days. But. Yeah. Ask one question. I'm sorry. I'm white as white as white. And could you tell me what the significance of the show far is for you? Oh, well, the show far is blown at the high holidays at at Russia Shawna and during Kapoor in it's basically just to announce the new year essentially and the ten day period in between there, which is sort of weird. But it goes the new year begins then you have basically a ten day period to Aton assess what you did last year and then not do next year. Appreciate right for for not for not going about that. All right. People don't g kept it. Politics. She calls it at least the show far as opposed to the Jew. What we traditionally call it in the community gone from three oh, two area code who's this. Where are you calling from? Hi, this is this is Lincoln, and I'm calling from Philadelphia. Philadelphia. Got to be quick, buddy. Okay. Well, just to since it's real quick the previous caller Brinda vest on like a dude. Well, it wasn't. Well, it sounded like it. Great. Good for Lincoln. Listen, if you're gonna call in and trill bring bring your a game not you're like e f or g game. All right calling from an eight one. Oh, because I liked trolls. I would've engaged you for the rest of the show. Yeah. The only part of my relief of that total failure was the fact that we're not going to be here for another thirty minutes. A Sam argues with some fucking moron colleague from an eight one zero area code who's this. Sam see. Shortly. I got through who's this? This is Matthew from Michigan. Matthew from Michigan? What's on your mind? What's up? We'll only getting calls from Michigan in Philadelphia. Russian. I just wanna I wanted to driving right now. So okay, I'm sorry. What? But I'll make it quick. Last two years with this monstrosity that we got in the Oval Office, right is driven crazy. But I got they Trump because I discovered you guys. Oh, well, then, you know, I guess silver linings. Yeah. So I just wanted to say, hi and happy new year, and I'll call you. All right. And appreciate the fuck you. All right. Good to talk to you to sound. Like, you know, you sound like Joe Glaser also from Michigan calling from a seven six area code. We got three more calls seven six who's come from? Hey, this is Thomas calling from Georgia Georgia Thomas from Georgia. What's on your mind? Got to be quick. Okay. So I consider myself progressive, but I'm a little bit concerned that just raising the minimum wage is going to fix the problems. And the issue is that the system is still going to be the same. So these corporations are just going to hike up their prices because now people are making more money, so they can pay more. What are your thoughts on attack system where the prophets have to go towards the employee's? So if a company makes more than you know, say eighty percent of their profits. You know, go over what they're paying their employees. The government is comes in sleeps it off the top. So they're penalized for doing that. What what are your thoughts on something? Like that. I think what you're talking about. Bernie Sanders, it suggested something to that effect like it can fiscal Tori tax. If there was some type of relationship may between. The cease wieght and the workers. I mean, I think look I I don't know. There's arguments about you know, corporate tax versus personal tax. I broadly speaking and for a fiscal, Tori tax policy on I would be very comfortable with returning to, you know, the the taxes from that we had in the fifties and sixties where if you make over three million, I might change the number down, or you know, up, but it, but but brought like the broad outlines you make over three million dollars every dollar after that is tax like ninety percent rate. I would have no problem with that. And I think that's really I I don't know if you wanna like have a go directly to the workers as opposed to ago and fund governmental programs that are universal in their nature. You know, and I think like, we know. What broadly speaking what we want those to be we want there to be a universal health care insurance system. We want there to be a free college option in every state in the country. I would then move to relieve student debt more or less across the board. I, and then I would nationalize some of the some of the stuff in this country that involve like, you know, energy, and maybe also like internet infrastructure, but that you know, I specifically going in and going company by company to return profits specifically to workers. I mean, I think like I would and we're seeing already legislation that would encourage worker owned enterprises. And I think that's good. I, but I think the way you're talking about it. I don't know if it's the most efficient, but appreciate the call. All right. This is a headshot from Bernie right here. I love this Bernie say represented. Liz Cheney daughter of Dick Cheney yesterday attack the fraud of socialism. Really, I wasn't aware that it was socialism that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq got us into a horrific war that we should have never started. Mike. All the fuck allow. Yeah. Keeping up with the young. There you go. Fuck you two more calls coming from sixty six area code. Who's this word calling from? Hello is his name. Yes. It is you you are the second to last call of the week. Oh, Hello Sam. How will make it really quick? I thank you for taking my call and renamed drill. Your last libertarian debate. Ever. Remember, the guy they it was very informative. Thank you. And a very funny. Thank you for doing that. And my brother is starting to get into that sorta philosophy of free market, and the government is stupid. And I would like if you could give me thirty seconds of your time to explain to you. How I understand there's no free market. Okay. Go ahead. So you can just okay. The way understand that. There's no free market is the reason is if a free market is completely free. It's not free from that dark canned of GD and cronyism and all that that stuff so that's not free. So if you regulate a market, then to keep it free from all that bad stuff, then it's not a free market any more. So that's why there's no free market chemistry together. Right. There's no. Free market because government is the market only exists because of of society and government having set up a structure in which that market exists. Money would have no value money would have no value. Were it not for taxes? Right. The reason why the money in your pocket has value. The store will take it because the store can only pay taxes to the government, which has a monopoly of force in those dollars. Okay and corporations all the players in the market in some way are implicated by government policy on day one. The he needs to show you if he thinks there's a free market. He needs to show you a market that takes place outside of the confines of government regulation, and it doesn't exist. And so once the government has entered into once the government is there and his created the market. It is all a political choice as to who is going to have the most power in that marketplace. Whether the power is going to be a symmetrical, or whether it's going to be there's going to be some type of of a quality of power when you allow people to assemble as a corporation and allow them tax benefits on the money that they make allow them to to step back from liability for products that they make or a massive certain amount of money at a different tax rate. Then the people. They're negotiating with. You are putting your thumb on the scales. And so the question this question is simply going to be where where are you going to put your thumbs? And how much force you can exert. And that's the question. There's no question. There is no free market. It simply does not exist for you to have a free market. You gotta go to like, maybe like, you know, the outskirts of you know, in Somalia and. And even then let's stop using Somali. Pulling it together. Right. Yes. It basically just warlordism. What I told my brother he gave an example that he stopped at some Bank. And some guy was offering stereos really cool serious at the back the back of struck and he bought cheap, and she was driving home. I should've just inside of the bucks. There was a natural stereo in. There could have been selling rocks because that's one of the main scans that they do. Right, right. And I told that's exactly what there's no free market. That's exactly why best buy if they don't. Further because not only is there. No free market. How did that guy? Get to where he was. How do they drive? He didn't drive in a road to sell those. Conquered the land were honestly. It's already it's just not possible. And but. Exactly. All right. A new brother. But but all right. I gotta take final call of the first week twenty nineteen. We have taken every call except for one that has been on the line for over sixty minutes. We still have nineteen callers on the line. But we've done our best to get through as many calls as possible today. But you calling from the two one zero area code are the final color. The first week of twenty nineteen. I might. Hi, it's an honor. I'm sorry. My name is Cody from San Antonio show, John from to hey creek question field because of Indian with my dad trying to convert him a little bit for a while. He's kinda he and I grew up watching like Fox News like back two thousand eight we were like your stereotypical, FOX people. But you know, I was only like twelve at the time. So kind of you know, and you know, I didn't really actually the only thing about politics, but I was just repeating save usual stuff. Right. The Republican party. So it's kind of a kind of a lens look at Republican politics. Now, just the load of unformed of of. I would just say since he got the libertarian debate coming up and everything I would just ask you my question. Never is there. Just 'cause I could argue that about Medicare for all it's. But getting to him really, I think mostly under taxes part of everything, but he lives to come back and say, you know, the the massive military budget, which is the next seven or eleven countries are whatever combined is really necessary. I guess I would just ask us good way to get through to libertarian kind of a right libertarian about how much military spending hinders this country, and how much and how could on translates you better people like so the reality is is that we don't need the money. We don't need the savings from the military to pay for Medicare for all. I mean, the reason why it's a problem to expend that much money on on the military is that we're expending a lot of money, and we're not getting a good return on investment in terms of improving people's lives, and on top of the fact that hit encourages us to do stuff that really hurts hundreds of thousands of people. Now, I don't get the sense that your father might be able to that argument. But I mean, the the the the point being I think that like you simply say like if we were to return to the tax rates of his heyday in the fifties. And the sixties we could pay for Medicare for all multiple times over we could we could provide for free college education mo- multiple times over I mean, so you know, we didn't worry about the deficit when we gave a massive tax cut to corporations who didn't need that money. And so, you know, I wouldn't even focus on pulling it. From the the military, particularly based upon what I suspect your father's interested in but. Is there is there a way that instead of I mean, I'm just thinking like, I don't know. Maybe I'm maybe I'm trying to make her with work point. It's you've got a good. You've got a good point. I don't think I've been seeing it from that angle. If you don't need the military budget. I just you know, I think it's it's funny to me. How many libertarians are are don't spend a dollar on a damn thing except for you know, the military, obviously, you're right there. Yeah. That's I would this. I'll close quick and all she go. I just wanna say to Mr Michael brook some of the fan. Thank you for shitting on Derek Fisher for twenty minutes of fan of San Antonio wash shop. So I wanna appreciate you. Guys are great watching thicky that happen. All right. Pretty cody. Folks that is the program for today. We will see you on Monday. In that goes streak. Get to wall. I'm. Was. Sure. The option. Breaks.

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OA437: How To Play Hardball If We Don't Win the Senate

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OA437: How To Play Hardball If We Don't Win the Senate

"They don't waste time trying the motions. Don't win call you lady justice you tell me whether sandwiches and then i'll tell you fat dog enough women on for nine fifty will love each other both a women of why that up and no side. Welcome to opening arguments a podcast. That pairs a comedian with a real life lawyer. This podcast is sponsored by the law. Office of the torres for entertainment purposes is not intended as legal advice and does not form an attorney client relationship. Don't take legal advice from a podcast. Elo and welcomed opening arguments. This is episode four hundred and thirty seven. I am thomas that is andrew. how are you doing. I am fantastic. Thomas how're you well. I don't know this is a weird one to record ahead of time. That's weird wonder. Look this is what we do. The the cats out of the bag. You all know the magic behind the show we record on thursdays we record the rapid response and then record the tuesday episode. This one is a weird wonder quarterly Because we don't know what's going to happen between thursday and when you're hearing this but this stuff is we're talking about still needs to be covered and i assume if anything absolutely crazy has happened. We'll do an emergency episode. So there you go. We've got a lot to talk about still and it's time to play some hardball with chris. Matthews hardball joe biden. Or us down down down to law down all right andrew. I the potential good news as much as you know. We covered last last time as we left it. It's looking like forty eight fifty in the senate but with the to georgia races out standing but tell us why they're still reason for optimism. Yeah the look. This is like you said The the main of this episode is going to be. It's time to play some hardball. And that is what does joe biden do if he has forty nine senate seats right or forty-eight like what what if what if mitch mcconnell remains majority leader. That's going to be really really bad in ways that you haven't thought about and we're going to talk about how to play hardball against mitch mcconnell. We're going to start circulating those ideas right away and and look. That's a real possibility like we're counting on forty nine point nine. Nine seven percent of the vote Sending a purdue to a runoff. That's an error like ten guys so we wanna make sure we cover. That and people will appreciate. I think getting that out there but i wanna start with heck. We wind up with fifty one votes. Let me i give you kind of what seems like a mathematical impossibility. Medical impossibility is right. Now thom tillis the republican Leads cal cunningham. The democratic candidate for senate in north carolina by ninety seven thousand votes. And as far as we can tell there are about one hundred and twenty thousand votes outstanding in north carolina We understand okay. North carolina hasn't been called on the presidential level because The margin is is smaller. And you know of those hundred and twenty thousand. They're going to be pretty heavily democratic. But you probably look at what the naked. It's not going to be a hundred ten to ten right. The ninety two percent democratic andrew. I know you're optimus prime but like you're you're kidding yourself right and the answer is i'm not kidding myself. And and here's why it has to do with what happened at the supreme court last week two weeks ago now by the time you're hearing this and it involved a case that we gave a one sentence summary to And now you're going to get five or ten minutes on all right. Yeah it's a case called wise versus cer- kosta and it went up to the Entire on vonk for circuit and the fourth circuit twelve to three right so For circuit is a left leaning circuit. But but that is Partisan across the fourth circuit Ruled twelve to three That in north carolina all ballots postmarked by election. Day can be counted can be received up to nine days later that is now up until november the twelfth. That is this coming thursday so two days later. Then you're listening to this. So there will be no final results in north carolina until thursday the twelfth now that also then went up to the supreme court because republican party challenging. Going to be my question. Supreme court already denied relief. Five three so five to three Cavenaugh voted To deny the request for relief And amy coney barrett did not take place in any of the decisions The reason we know that it was five three is that There were there was no written. Opinion issued But there was a little note on the minute order. That said justices thomas and gorsuch would have voted to grant relief in this case because of course they would because it literally like it might as well just say because of course they would be so. That's been decided. That is the procedure in north carolina cannot be challenged. There is no lawsuit trying to challenge it. North carolina's gonna count until this thursday may might be saying okay but how could right like i get a couple. Ballots are going to trickle in. Is it going to be enough to cover. And ninety seven thousand vote. Lead prop rob pope lee. Not but that gets us to the confluence of the second lawsuit that potentially makes this possible. And that has to do with our friend judge and she sullivan of the us district court for the district of columbia the same court. That is currently the michael. Flynn case the same court before which Our opening arguments opening arguments branded amicus. Brief is pending before judge sullivan. He has he has read it right so okay. I'm a little giddy about about judge sullivan of the shenanigans. Going on and being reported in the popular press about the post office We covered that in opening arguments episode. Four fifteen You remember all of those news reports right That that dejoy was ordering The end of over time changes to scheduling destroying ballots sorting machines all sorts of stuff like that and so a bunch of different citizens activist groups led to by a group called vote forward but there are others that are involved as well Some individual plaintiffs of osaze Unidas austell montagna. I apologize for my high school. Spanish accent there The the so a bunch of of citizen groups at the end of august filed a lawsuit in the us district court for the columbia assigned to judge sullivan seeking and injunctive relief And a against dejoy and the post office requiring them not to slow down ballots. And that's still going to not only. Is that suit still going that suit. This kind of got lost I think we talked about it for like a minute. Or two I it got lost on election night because of course it did But this was an example of where on election day itself The plaintiffs brought before judge. Sullivan evidence. That the post office was sitting on balance right and sitting specifically on two different kinds of of ballots And i want you to know the names of this because This may be front and center by the time. You're visiting new hanging chads and butterfly ballots of could be right so they were sitting on one. Category were outbound ballots. Right and that is Win you ordered when you instructed. The state elections office to send you a mail in ballot and they were sending it you whether the post office once. They received that ballot to your whether they sent it out to you and those outbound valid scores are are not great for a couple of days before the election right so. They're in the nineties for the last week of october but then on october thirty first it drops down to eighty percent and you can imagine right like that is hey a week and a half before the election. I said like a mail in ballot. The elections site says yeah great. We're going to send you a ballot. And then the post office is like yep but we're not going to deliver that deal right. It drops from eighty percent to seventy seven percent on the monday before the election and to five percent on election. Day itself now again. Why does that matter because as we went through on the tuesday's on on that Election day episode in many states. When you requested a mail in ballot you had to carry and you and you did not vote by mail. You could still vote in person but in many many states whether you would be allowed to vote regular right and be counted that night or whether you would be issued a preliminary ballot would hinge upon whether you could bring that uncast mayo ballot with you right and so not getting. The ballot meant that you got put into the provisional buckets and provisional buckets get counted last right so that's all bad on outgoing ballots. But what you really wanna look at. And what judge sullivan really really looked at was what we call incoming ballots and what they mean by. Incoming ballots are. I have filled out my mail in ballot. I have dropped it in the mail. It has been received at the post office but not stamped and not processed. It has what they label it as no outgoing destination. Right and those ballots. Here are the numbers. Now mind you. Some of these may be Sequential and over counted. There were hundreds of thousands of ballots. That were sat on by the post office in the days. Leading up to the election is going you they do the election. We discover that louis dejoy is like smog in the hobbit you know. And there's all these ballots ballots. He's hoarding we know right. So this is these are from court. Pleadings two days before the election. There were three hundred. Twenty two thousand incoming ballots across the country that were not postmarked that were not delivered to election officials and I posted this up on our social media account if you look at the distribution of wear ballots were not delivered. They were overwhelmingly. Not delivered in. The swing states rang so in other words. There are when you when you look for the states. That had more than ten thousand ballots Not delivered that were sent on time but just kind of mysteriously dropped on the floor and not processed. It is the i five corridor in florida where joe biden drastically underperformed his poll numbers. So that is not miami but the the kind of corridor of Orlando and tampa bay So A big blue stripe kind of dark blue stripe down the middle of florida. It was in new mexico and arizona and parts of southern california. Which i think are just has to do with how the What areas that post office covers then between twenty five hundred and ten thousand undelivered ballots in the west coast in ohio in pennsylvania in maryland and in north carolina with a kind of a gerrymandered little tale. That goes down into northern georgia. Yes so put all of that together. We saw for example in wisconsin that wisconsin just had a hard deadline right if the ballot didn't even if it was postmarked on time even if it was sent in good faith even if you sent it in a week early if they delayed your ballot in wisconsin and it didn't get there by election day it didn't count it got thrown out if that makes you mad. And you're wisconsin voter then. Make sure your vote against republicans. Because that's who did the steel other states like. Pennsylvania has the three day grace period. But you know. The supreme court ordered those segregated so they could steal them if they wanted to North carolina has a nine day grace period. That's been upheld. And so i do not know. So here's the bottom line. I am not telling you that cal. Cunningham is going to win the senate seat in north carolina. The numbers do not favor him. I would not wager on it. I would rather be thom tillis if i wanted to. I mean i wouldn't wanna be thom tillis but like be cal cunningham either in fairness but like i'm not saying that he is a favourite. I m saying that there is a reason why nobody has called this race As of the time that we record this and that. I think no one will call this race. Even after we record it and that is Because this lawsuit is ongoing so now so what happened on election day itself. I almost didn't tell the story on election day. Itself judge sullivan ordered the us. Postal service To comply with an election day order. That says you will send them to read you from this minute. Order you will send postal inspectors their designates to processing facilities in the following districts and order a sweep of the facilities to ensure that no ballots have been held up and that any identified ballots are immediately sent out for delivery and that was ordered in central pennsylvania philadelphia detroit colorado wyoming atlanta houston alabama northern new england crater south carolina. South florida lakeland in arizona. Louis dejoy for the first time of of any trump administration official told the judge no filed a report. That said now. We're not gonna do that as you might imagine. This did not make judge sullivan. Very happy and judge sullivan has ordered subsequent orders. Over the next couple of days They are continuing as we record this right and so there is an order out right now. Directing the parties to inform the court As of literally the time that we record this Quote whether they agree with the court's order that usps employees shall be directed undertake sweep of the facility on the morning and then again in the afternoon of november six. That is friday november six to identify all inbound ballots and then as of the time that we recorded this They order that all of the usps processing facilities that serve a state with an extended. Ballot receipt deadline shall until that deadline passes performing morning ballots. Sweep no later than ten. Am local time and a mid to late afternoon. Ballot sweep that is tied to ensure that any identified local ballots can be delivered that day. Upon completing the sweep each facility shall report the usps headquarters. The total number of ballots identified and. Confirm that those ballots have been expedited for delivery to meet applicable extended state deadlines beginning today at the time we record this on november fifth and until further order of the court. Defendant shall promptly submit a single report with the total number of ballots identified through daily sweeps with one exception for facilities that are located in states. Whose ballot deadline is that day. Defendants shall submit the result of those sweeps to plaintiffs immediately following the receipt of the results of the second sweep of those facilities. That order was entered today to tell me what all of that meant. It means that because of the shenanigans. Two things are going to happen right. The first is. I don't know how badly louis dejoy and the post office screwed this election. Yeah i can't tell you. Okay i can tell you. It wasn't millions of of it doesn't appear to be millions of it's right but it does appear to be hundreds of thousands of votes. Is that enough to have shifted the vote in texas or florida. I don't know probably. I probably not. I can't tell you. I can tell you it will not. There's nothing we're going to be able to do to uncall- texas and florida even if it did if it did we will find out right in december. It'll be too late But biden will already be president. We'll find out. Oh by the way Be should have one two or three more states who knows all of that is kind of on the side as you're thinking about like what does this election mean what it means. Is that one of the many tactics that the administration used was to instruct the post office to slow down the delivery of completed mail in ballots knowing that those ballots would disproportionately favour his opponent and it means because of their cavalier disregard that looked at got away with on election day right like they were ordered by the court to sweep for missing ballots. And the didn't do it. They told a sitting judge to go clown horn himself because of that the judge has now that the good news is the judge has said okay but to the extent that it matters and it matters in north carolina. You have to sweep. You have to do a sweep twice a day until next. Thursday told november the twelfth until it is passed the deadline for counting votes and in every other state that allows those ballots to come in late right which includes pennsylvania tomorrow right but which will have been last friday by the by the time this comes up you have to go through. Fill out a sweep and then sign under penalty of perjury and that was specified in the first order. A how many ballots were found that they were delivered that they were expedited out and that the sweep took place And that will continue. We will get daily updates from the us. Postal service Until the close of ballots being received in north carolina and in any other state. So i don't know like i. I can't tell you what's going to happen. I can tell you you know that the numbers strongly favor tillis but but there you go all right well. I'm not counting on that. Because i'm negative on but who knows be nice surprise if it works out. Thank you dr hibbert. I rest my case you rest your case what. oh no. I thought that was just a figure of speech case. Clo- okay andrew. Now it's time to i guess. Prepare ourselves for the worst case scenario. Which is i mean. Unfortunately still very probable. Who knows who knows how it's going to end up. So what are we looking at. If in fact we get a biden victory and come up just short forty eight or forty nine in the senate. We're looking at an. And i wanted to cover this. Not just to give a healthy net. Get tron dose to the show after Going through that a segment but but to start laying the groundwork Because here's what's going to happen. Joe biden will be able to accomplish far less than anything. Obama did in his last two years or that trump did in the entirety of his term. Okay and i think people think right. There's the sort of baseline of oh okay. Well it's going to be divided but you know it was divided for trump. So you know biden get executive orders and appointments and you know so. At least we'll have that that will not be the case Joe biden will be able to do very very little And i suspect that if they are looking at a republican senate that they've got two different game plans right that the game plan for what to do with a republican senate Probably looks like this. Looks like we're gonna be able to pass laws. That should be no brainer. Because of you know we have a criminally insane game. Show hostess president right now but you know can we pass covid relief where everybody agrees. We could probably do something like that. I don't know about that well. Negative on is alive and well. And that's fair. I believe they're the mcconnell point of view will be never ever give a democratic administration. A win of any kind. They don't i think that's plausible right. So so let's talk about. Let's talk about that scenario right. We can't pass any laws. Because mcconnell says the same thing he said in the last two years of the obama administration so what can we do. We can undo trump executive orders. Right that can be done with the stroke of a pen. That is the one. And the only thing that joe biden condemned do is undo previous executive orders and issue new ones. We can rebuild executive agencies from the inside right that is begin to hire competent people to staff positions. That have been gutted and filled with you know trump loyalists unlike twenty-four-year-old graduates from liberty university and crap like that We can not doing anything else you were. Doj could certainly investigate the trump administration and his cronies for crimes. Yeah that is one good thing. It gives me a little bit of happiness even though. This is overall very devastating. If we don't take the senate it really is very devastating but maybe punishing trump a little bit for stealing from the just. How do i even summarize for everything he did could yelp well and and look like if i were advising president biden. Any kind of 'em in this. That would be part of my carrot and stick approach. When when i went to mitch mcconnell be like look if we can't do anything if what you're saying is don't bother because you can't do anything then. Okay then i have an awful lot of to carry out an awful lot of investigations in care. What loyalty will mcconnell have to. Trump is have any loyalty to trump. But i think it will reveal an awful lot of the corruption that took place and again you know does does some of trace back to mcconnell to elaine like kind of looks like it does not claiming that it does i m claiming we have some time to take a look and figure it out if there's nothing to do but i want to stress this what i wanted to do in this segment is talk about. Is i scare you a little bit with mitch. Mcconnell doing to joe biden. What he did to barack obama's judicial appointees right and that is not just saying. Hey you don't get to fill any judges. Which i believe he will do right. I think if we don't tap the senate there is zero chance of any judge getting appointed and so are already drastically critically. Overworked courts will go into the red deeper into the red for two years I think that also means by the way that when we take back the senate in two thousand and twenty two it there will be a nationwide right like it'll be a no brainer To pash what will then be the judiciary act of twenty-three and expand the courts But but look we'll get no judges but the other thing and i want to start introducing you to this term and i want to get this out here early because if we've lost the senate We need to develop the battle-plan their one hundred executive branch appointees that are what we call p. s. offices that is their presidentially appointed but with the advice and consent of the us senate right people like secretary of state right and the principal deputies right the attorney general right and the assistant attorney. General are confirmed by the senate and mitch. Mcconnell absolutely could decide to take the same tactic he took with. Respect to merrick garland. And say you send me somebody on a like. I'm not even gonna hold a hearing on them. I'm not gonna give susan collins and lisa murkowski and mitt romney a chance to defect. I'm just not gonna stick it. On the calendar there is nothing we can do about that but there is something we can do in response to that and it has to do with the federal vacancies. Reform act five sections thirty three forty five under five. Usc thirty three forty five. The president can appoint an acting official. You've seen donald trump do this and you've seen donald trump be incompetent at a because the way what what trump was able to do was able to sneak through was he got a bunch of people confirmed for the jobs that they were doing. And then once you have been confirmed by the senate then under the vr. A sort of easier to shuffle. You around to other jobs right and again. The idea is that advice. And consent of the senate is meant to serve a gate keeping function so if you pick somebody and again example for donald trump you pick somebody like a ken coochie that even other republicans are like man. This guy is sleazy and incompetent and extreme and stupid and we're not going to work with them right and so can cuccinelli never been confirmed by the us senate right even the republican us senate so what you do is you you you you move up. A bunch of different senate confirmed guys around but that that mitch mcconnell says No we're not going to hold a hearing on anybody. what can you do. And here's what you can do. Section thirty three forty five a Says and three says that the president may direct a person to perform acting duties if that person served in a senior position in the relevant agency for at least ninety days in the year preceding the vacancy at They do not have to be confirmed by the senate they do not have to be an acting deputy somewhere else and so you can do and and at by the way. This is what they did with ken. Cuccinelli slight sidebar. Ken cuccinelli was illegally appointed But the thing they screwed up was not creating the job but they didn't they created the so. Let me first explain what they did. They created a brand new position at the department of homeland. Security called the principal deputy director and then they appointed ken cuccinelli to that position and then immediately transferred him to make him the acting director But the problem was he wasn't there for ninety days and never been confirmed by the senate so then they made him the acting senior official for like one hundred percent serious about this. They would have gotten away with it if they had just waited the days. Yeah because what they tried to say was well the principal. Deputy director is the first assistant so therefore once we make him the first assistant then he can become the acting bubble and and and and again you know. The the overriding theme of the trump administration was unrestrained evil. Checked only by incompetence right. So you're joe biden. Here's what you do for every executive department you fire everyone down to the level of the people you can trust who were already working in your agency so In some agencies that may be nobody in things like the department of justice there are many many many many many many good seem your career prosecutors shaef ing under donald trump who would love to be acting attorney general right and there's a complex system We've talked about before it. Our chief zachary villiger episode to figure out. You know who gets to be acting when there's no attorney general. There's no assistant attorney general. Those no deputy attorney general. There's no principle acting senior attorney general right. have we seen the last of dzhizak retur wilder. We may have seen the last of jesus so you fire everybody. Which by the way i just want to point out though. That's not something that normally you'd happily wanna do you know like in two thousand eight. This wasn't what obama had to do career because this is the kind of thing that that's mainly necessary because of the extremism of this last administration. Yes exactly right. So fire everybody. Who's a trump loyalist. You create a whole. You pick who you want to be your secretary of state your attorney general your secretary of transportation you create a whole bunch of principal. Deputy secretary of state decisions to the regional manager. Yeah the court. I will tell you. That's i know that that's a joke from the office. And the reason that i know that is because that joke is cited in the footnote of no i was going to quote it on the air but i realized i know the contexts so i was i waited for you to make it but yes You you create principal assistant to the regional manager and that's one of the office jokes that's in both the british and the american ones so we can all laugh together across across the pond in all share a chuckle. They must be a gs. Fifteen which is the level of government employees. But it's four point. Three percent of the federal workforce right there. Seventy five thousand. Gs fifteen out there right now right so you got you got a large pool to choose from and nothing to stop you from creating a whole bunch of new ones you stick your would be attorney general right at the new position they gotta they gotta stay there for ninety days but then at the conclusion of the ninety days You can appoint them and not only. Can they certain so. You may see that. Under the federal vacancies reform act That they can serve for a year. That's kind of true. Okay except that there are additional benefits to to joe biden in this situation baked into the r. a. And i'm going to read those to you now right so typically you get the person you make your acting whatever. Can we talk about this with chad. Wolf can only serve for two hundred and ten days. Chad wolf has exceeded is two hundred ten days And that incompetence as we've talked about the f. e. r. a. provides relief where ordinary citizens have standing to sue to render void benicio any actions that an acting director takes that are not authorized by law. So a big chunk of stuff. That chad wolf has done is going to get invalidated right. That's super duper clear. So we don't want a big chunk of stuff that joe biden's acting attorney general and acting secretary of state or is going to have to. We don't want all that invalidated so we got to play by the rules. But it's not hard to play by the rules here because they're two bonus points on timing that will thwart mitch mcconnell and it is this section first. Let's start with thirty three forty nine a That is when you have a new president coming in you. Get sixty transitional inauguration days So if the vacancy occurs at any time during the transitional inauguration day you then get ninety extra days to fill that vacancy before the two hundred and ten days. Kick it raoul so to ten plus ninety plus sixty is a whole year right so you gotta start teeing up the process again You know this time at the end of you know twenty twenty one beginning at twenty we just to have different appointees have second so you get you get. You'd like your secretary of state to serve for more than a year right. But i'd much rather have two secretaries of state than sorry. How mitch mcconnell Do they alternate. Is that what it is. Well i'm saying the first one would would serve until their time runs out. And then you'd have to elevate another person. That's that's all that's a quick transition but it's better than letting mitch mcconnell dictate your secretary. I'm trying to figure out how the full four years is covered. Because you've said there's a year limit so yep do we have four different secretaries of state assuming we take back the senate in two thousand twenty. Oh yeah i'm not by the way. The map is amazing for demo de map. Amazing for democrats in two thousand because we lawn publicans bright for precisely that reason because republicans want in a bunch of blue states in twenty sixteen. We don't have time to go through the map super good for us and we can do that on a later episode so trust me on that but it gets better than that right because so that's the three hundred and sixty days and then to ten for the next one but section thirty three forty six goes beyond that and says because the acting secretary of state or whomever serves only insofar as the senate does not act on a nomination submitted to it right so what you do is you say. Hey i really really want. Elizabeth warren to be secretary of the treasury. By the way i'm gonna have it's gonna take me three months to get them out there but But this person. Elizabeth warren moon's deputy is presently toiling away at the treasury department as the principal acting sub director to the regional manager. And as from. Today i'm going to name that person secretary secretary of treasury. If you don't confirm elizabeth warren then what happens. Subsection b one if the first nomination for the office is rejected by the senate withdrawn. Return to the president. The person may continue to serve as the acting officer for moon no more than two hundred ten days after the date of such rejection withdrawal or return. Okay so you get a whole nother. Three quarters of a year added onto your sentence right subsection to said you try again right you say all right you didn't like elizabeth warren okay bernie. Sanders is going to be secretary of the treasury. And then mitch. Mcconnell says well. We're just which never going to hold a hearing on bernie sanders then thirty three forty six b two kicks it. Nobody else has noticed this. Be to says. I'm going to read it to you here on the air. I have researched the cases on this. I'm one hundred percent correct notwithstanding paragraph one the stuff i just read about how you get an extra seven months. If a second nomination for the office is submitted to the senate after the rejection withdrawal or return of the first nomination the person serving as the acting officer may continue to serve until the second nomination is confirmed blue or for no more than two hundred and ten days after the second nomination has rejected withdrawn or returned in other words f- vr. A will allow us to force mitch mcconnell tavern hearing because if he just sits on it if he just does nothing than our deputy assistance can sit around and occupy the job forever. Till the end of biden's first time i. There's not a thing that mitch mcconnell can do about it andrew. So i love this. I love that you've gone to the detail. I love the one weird trick. I love that. Nobody's checked f- subheading bc twelfth sub dash. Whatever it's great. It's fantastic that you did this. I love everything about this. I just want to point out. This is all so that we can check notes staff the government. I hate to be the negative. No no no also that we can have a person in a position. That should be a no brainer. Every single president before this gets to Even republicans say the president gets to staff their cabinet Just just keeping in perspective. H-how out -rageous. This will be when mcconnell inevitably tries to keep us from even staffing these high level positions. That should be a no brainer correct. And let me say. I am saying this in response to the reports coming out today as we record this show that mitch mcconnell if he retains control of the senate and again. This is an indication you know given that we recorded the show last that republicans. New they'd lost right mitch. Mcconnell was openly talking about. How this is. This election was a mandate for divided government. And he was going to force. Joe biden to submit centrists candidates for his cabinet positions. So mitch mcconnell has already. I'd eyeing this has already thrown down his marker. And i'm telling you joe biden does not have to give in to the thuggery of mitch. Mcconnell that the the the one weird trick that mcconnell got to hold in his back pocket that worked for judicial nominees and it will work again. Look we're not getting judge. You wanna talk about you know. How much should we pack the court. We will not get a single sitting judge. No matter how conservative no matter. How competent Under joe biden until mitch. Mcconnell is out as majority leader the senate. It will not happen. Our courts will will will slow to a crawl It will be especially bad on civil litigants because You have the constitutional right to a speedy trial and so underfunded and understaffed courts with judicial. Vacancies will just drop civil cases to the bottom of their of their buckets right. They'll just be like yeah. I'm sorry i can't deal with this billion dollar patent infringement lawsuit right now. I got a guy who was arrested for jaywalking. Got a schedule for a hearing and if you think that like typical republican constituencies are going to be super happy about the fact that like they cannot go into court and get speedy relief on their civil claims. Like you know you've never worked in big law and that's going to create pressures but look that's going to happen right. A mcconnell already. Did that for the last two years of obama's presidency. He's going to do it for the first two years of the biden presidency but he cannot do it with respect to cabinet level appointees unless joe biden rollover and so it is our job to make sure to get it out now and to stay strong. If we've lost the senate biden needs to know and he needs to be working on this now right. He has to be out there. Identify people into those assistant. Regional man yeah positions during out. Who were the gs fifteens in all of these departments that he can count on that would make quality acting assistant associate directors And and he's got act on it and he's gotta be prepared by the way in cases where there may be a vacancy for three months right To to be able to work without his best team of rivals around because democrats do that. Was the obama. Model like democrats try and staff. These positions with the most competent. The best voices to help them make decisions as opposed to donald trump hoop staffs them with these sycophants who will help him commit crimes. We're gonna be stymied on that. But ultimately jill biden has the better hand going to require some hardball. I'm thinking shows up for it and we're going to help them get there. Let's do it we have to i. I actually have some confidence. I you know i. As much as people you know justifiably so do get mad at obama for not realizing sooner that republicans. Were you know we handed republicans a bunch of border crap and immigration crap that they wanted thinking you know it would help us make deals and it. Didn't i think you know. Hopefully joe biden remember. He was there for that and remembers what happened and we will not make the same mistake twice. Let's amplify that a little bit. If you ask. Joe biden not only what was your biggest legislative. Screw up what did you get wrong in you were term in the us senate and also coincidentally what hurt you the most. As a presidential candidate he would tell you the crime. Bill of nineteen ninety-six right. I'm like that. That absolutely turned out to be a disaster for the country and a disaster for him politically and that was the result of clinton You know okay. Well you give us midnight basketball and we'll give you locking up black people forever and right like it and you know and also consensus was just different back then about what was good for fighting crime. We've we've litigated. This look at again right. I'm deliberately portraying it. In the worst possible light right like when i have defended that crime though and i ninety six ninety four i have defended that crime bill because it it got a nation i mean we get republicans to vote for nationwide gun control banning assault weapons right so i do not mean to suggest that it was indefensible at the time And you have both said that it was kind of an unfair set of attacks on biden but all of that being said that would be the opening argument. I would use right. Like i would say If i'm biden adviser and he says well should i go to mitch and try and craft and xyz arabic. Yeah man if you want another crime bill and ninety four around your neck But like you know this what they're gonna do to us and and Why don't we stop playing by the bill. Clinton rules and start playing by the mitch. Mcconnell rules that'd be my argument biden. You know the areas where. He seemed passionate. Certainly seemed to dovetail with the grotesque abuse of the system. That took place behind the scenes and again and again right joe biden was in the senate for two hundred years right like he knows. Exactly what mitch. Mcconnell did and is doing and i was on the senate so long inter. I don't know why he didn't fix covert understand. He was there for seven years. Not fixed these problems that happened under trump. Yeah that was a such a t you know. That's what made the difference for trump in the election that attack. I'm sure you don't wanna think. But donald trump got forty percent of the vote. I know i know andrew. You know what i hear when i hear you gone through all this. You know what i hear. I hear so many future. Oa deep dives. I hear so much to cover. There was never any risk that we run out of things. Were going to in either case. You know i i really. I'm going to be so devastated. If we don't have the senate re. I cannot have enough you. You cannot emphasize enough. We all can't just how bad that is if we don't win the senate it's really really really really bad but assuming we don't we still there's still things we can do. And there's even that much more we're going to need to do breakdowns of lots of one weird tricks to find every single you thing in our arsenal to get anything changed. It's gonna be it's gonna be a slot but hopefully it doesn't come to that and hopefully we pick up these two georgia seats if indeed. That is where we stand. We'll know this coming thursday right or friday. When's the final north carolina. Well we'll we'll know we'll know what our odds look like. This coming friday right so thursday. Is the deadline. Friday is when north carolina will certify will will finish its counts. I don't know that. The board of elections will certify But yeah we'll we'll we'll have an answer by the time probably to labor friday baby as possible but probably not probably We'll have to do a An emergency drop Or or put it on social media or something like that and again we think as of the time of the record that they're going to be two runoffs in georgia so think about it this way. It's really the difference if if cunningham wins his seat than it is flipped to coins. Get one head and you take back. The senate verses flipped to coins. Get two heads to take back this. It would be hard to imagine. There would be much difference in the votes between the races. Maybe but i feel like it's going to be so little to do with the candidates and so much to do with democrats fighting for control of the senate republicans fighting to not give it to us. I think that's right. But ultimately i think in in a purplish state like georgia. It's gonna come down to republicans who don't want to pull the lever for either produce lawfully right and i'm wrong on an awful lot this political cycle so let me not put my pundit hat on. You are correct in that. I said it. As a as to coin flips that assumes that the the events are independent of each other and obviously they are highly correlated. Yeah it might be one coin flip. Essentially if they're correlated perfectly one I will say this end as not amazing as it will be to have a fifty fifty tie because as we've covered that means joe manchin that means whoever the right word most democrat is. We'll have a lot of control in the senate. It's still an astronomical difference between short. Maybe joe manchin might stop. Some legislation probably will honestly stop some legislation that we want to happen. But it's it's all the difference for judges right. It's all the difference for appointments it. They're still going to be things that there's no chance that we won't have the democratic Consensus on in the senate. If it's fifty fifty. Am i right. Yes and i love that you went to judges look idiots the difference because you we will see god we're going to get it from you know certain corners but like it. It is the difference between because they'll say well. You know. joe manchin will veto elizabeth. Warren is treasury secretary. No he won't don't there so on that. Yeah i think. I think every democrat will support anybody that joe biden wants to serve his go and the second part is really the critical aspect. We need chuck. And i look like neither you nor either. Big fancy chuck. Schumer right like chuck. Schumer is a great guy. It's not like he's super progressive. It's not like he's a brilliant strategist right like doesn't matter. We need chuck schumer as majority leader to schedule hearings right. It is the difference between replacing on the damage done by trump by the way. Yeah lots if it's a big deal it is it is not just like oh. It's his judgment like joe. Manchin does not give one clown horn. Who gets nominated to be the. Us district judge for the western district of oklahoma right. But i do and you do. And and joe biden does and that nominee will not go through if we do not take. The senate is everything absolutely. I didn't even get to gosh. We're going to do another deep dive on. This can do eight seconds on one more huge thing which is remember went donald trump came in and overturned a whole bunch of late obama era regulations. Right that were passed in twenty sixteen o because of that one weird trick from because the congressional review act. I'm going to do more much more of a deep dive on the congressional review. act Because we have to just five. Usc section eight. Oh two but here's the thing that's a law and if you'll have by their own petard possibly if we own the senate. Yeah we can come in and undo the last six months everything. Trump does as rulemaking We we don't do everything with the congressional review act. It is filibuster-proof it will be glorious. You will love it. We need to have the senate for that. If we don't have the senate we will be stuck staffing executive agencies. They can overturn those trump rules. But they'll have to go through and follow the administrative procedure act. They'll have to hold hearings. They'll have to have public notice and comment. It will take longer and like that's not just me going man do it faster. These regulations are the regulations. That are hurting our friends right now right. These are the anti trans regulations in the military. These are the regulations putting kids in cages. Right these are the kinds of things that you know. It is to to change the guidance. I would much rather have every tool at my disposal than be deprived of a of a pretty big one. So yeah. that's that's thank you. 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And then the question. I'm a big tombstone fence. Great movie i i'm with you. I like i like tombstone so there you go again. More things we have in common so Rancher is there accompanied by four friends the neighbours alone rancher they both approach offense rancher gets out stands by his truck neighbor hops. The fence comes towards him. The rancher just shoots him inflicting serious injury. The neighbor brings a battery action against the rancher. And the rancher says no no. But i thought you were carrying a weapon so That's why shot you. But the fact pattern says that. That's just a subjective belief that he could point to nothing that would have reasonably justified. This belief is the neighbor likely to prevail And you narrowed it down to what you thought was the best no answer which is the sort of castle doctrine standard ground. No because the rancher was standing on his own property. It had no obligation to retreat. And then you said yeah. But we're not. We're not talking about. Just give a duty to retreat. We're talking about used force right. You shop the guy And you picked the yes the best yes. Yes answer d. It was unreasonable for the ranchers to consider the use of a gun. Necessary for self defense. And thomas were starting off the next two hundred on the right foot my friend all right good good election. Happy results here and happy results to t three. The correct answer is d. It was unreasonable for the rancher. Consider these begun necessary. For self defence the ranchers belief that deadly force was necessary was was subjectively actual but not objectively reasonable and You must satisfy both prongs in order to in order to defend yourself a not correct because Stand your ground here. I'm scott question. The majority of states that recognize a right to stand one's ground rather than retreat limits. That right to an owner who is confronted in his home. Yeah not one simply standing outside on land that he owns also even if the rancher had no obligation to retreat he used deadly force. which is not justifiable. Unless he had reasonable belief that he himself was threatened with that degree of force needed to use deadly for israel. So exactly right. I just. I needed to read that to you because i was to say well but like they use the same words you use thomas rhett like it's it's retreat is one thing but he was not the doctrine of retreat comes up. When you're in a scuffle right so is by just logic you can just kill anyone who comes over for dinner. Party like just no justification. I shoot anyone in my house. Yeah that's absolutely right and by the way you are also correct that the The other answers were were were kind of nonsense. Did we ever figure out if this test is getting easier. Feel like it's getting easier. I think the going with the obvious answer has been working out a lot more than i remember it working out the first hundred and fifty questions. We'll say i think what's obvious to you becoming more clear. Something has just become more clear. That's right so good well thomas. let's play the music. you are. Correct best heightened direct. He's not even a lawyer. And mr torres having your time machine and tell us who's going to win the georgia runoffs all right. Just tell us the winner of t three b. Is i guess. Well thomas and this is going to be no surprise to you. This week's winter is the entirety of the united states of and quite possibly all of the world. That's right just like we predicted in between when we recorded the show and win. The show is going live. Joe biden kamala harris has been elected the next president vice president of the united states of america. I can't think of a better way to celebrate that then this show and so we're really just for one day. 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"Equity is brought to you by x. crunch that prodigious tech-rich payable you. Keep running into you can break through that payroll at a steep discount. If you use the promo code equity. If you do you'll get access to our best stuff you'll make really good internally at the same time another that. Let's start the show. Good morning and welcome to equities. Monday episode. It is april fifth. This is our weekly primary where we catch up on the news and as always explore the numbers behind the headlines. Catching you up. American stocks are set to rise this morning after an end of the week. Jobs report boosted shares after holiday stock market is closed in many parts of the world. Today but the major news the indian stocks took a hit after covid nineteen cases. Rose in the country. Cryptos are flat and without ground setting. Let's get into the weekend all right now this weekend. A couple of things for you to know the biggest story from the last couple of days involved facebook which had answer after someone posted information concerning about five hundred million of its users on the internet which insider reports includes telephone numbers and other personal data. The bad news is that the data appears to be legit the good news if you can call it. That is that. Facebook says that the data came from a patch. Two thousand nineteen leak great. This story underscores my view. They companies that leak customer data in any capacity should be taken out back and wacked until they realize that. It's not the sort of mistake you could simply say whoops to and then claim to try to do better in the future. I think ten or twenty dollars per person. Impacted by league payable in a lump sum to the government. Right away would wake a couple of companies up. If you arrogate to yourself the authority to hold information about anyone you need to realize that if you mess up it's gonna cost you enough to ruin a quarter or two or three. That would help the other bit of news that broke this weekend that you need to know about concerns. China that the f. t. reports a quote record number of companies are abandoned to list on china's answer to the nasdaq as regulators increase scrutiny of technology businesses. This of course comes after. The chinese government yanked fintech giant ant groups back in november now the f. report that some seventy six companies pulled their plan listing on the stock market based in shanghai in march loan. Now some hundred eighty have done so in total but back in november. that number was twelve. The newly reported data shows just how sharply things are changing china's tech and business ecosystem. Just a couple of years ago you can think back to. I think it was twenty eighteen. China's venture capital volumes matching and even beating that of the united states and the shanghai based our market launch in two thousand nineteen to provide a listening spot for budding chinese tech companies. Now today twenty. Twenty one chinese venture. Capital numbers are far from contention and the state is cracking down on not just leading tech players but also appears smaller firms as well brazilian liquidity dry up. It's just not very good all right. Turn into this morning. What is the latest. The biggest story that i could see from the weekend involved american e commerce and cloud computing giant amazon which is in hot water today after the american. Nfl rb or national labor relations board said that the company was a very very bad boy. The new york times reports that the company quote illegally retaliated against tube. Its most prominent internal critics would fired them last year now. Amazon is in the midst of trying to beat back. A union push among some of its warehouse workers and the company recently face planted when a suddenly churlish social media strategy backfired and the company had to admit some of its drivers peed and bottles and worse while on the clock. Nbc news had a separate report up from a couple of days ago. The headline of which. I'll just read for you. Fired interrogated disciplined. Amazon warehouse organizers alleged year of taliation while and there's big news out from the indian startup seeing this morning which will kick off by noting coaches reporting concerning ed tech giant buying akash educational services. The company acquired is what we call a thirty-three-year-old chain of physical coaching centers. Essentially by jews when i r. l. The deal itself cost around one billion in cash and stock protectionists sources now as the edtech which a huge boom in usage in sales last year matures. Expect to see more of this sort of deal and more deals on the smaller side. As well i reckon not every startup in the space. That raise money last year is going to make it. And there are plenty of deep-pocketed ed tech giants. That could get acquisitive this year. Now the funding round world. We're gonna stick to the indian theme for the first one. It appears the social commerce bug truly is a global phenomenon. How do we know. Well indian unicorn michel that's m. e. s. h. said that it has raised a three hundred million dollar round the values the company at around two point one billion according to tech reporting. That's up from about six hundred seven hundred million back in two thousand nineteen and get this softbank vision fund to lead the round. That is a sentence. I am being forced to save more and more often. So i wanted to take note of it and then there's krista up an sf based startup that just put together a fifty million dollar round according to venturebeat looking into the company it appears to track customer service interactions and then after what works or does not particular company provide active human agents with props to help them better chat with other humans via text. Now you look ahead to the future all you really have to do is toss computer powered voice on top of this and pretty soon be won't need customer service humans right train them up and then off the go little bots. Yeh i suppose so. Customer service gigs are awful and humans are very mean to each other so maybe this sort of take a step towards future in computers. Try to talk us. Out of cancelling annoyance resistance it of humans. Do so is a good thing. But i i wonder what happens to workers who declined to use christa given prompts. They get penalized. I'm all in favor of software tooling for underpaid regular folks but something about this company caught in my craw. We'll dig into this morning. Andriessen sequoia and gray lock were in the rally closing. Today's of the notable and fund from the. Us there's a company called alchemy technology. That is going public at the moment. The provides software to banks and it was founded in oklahoma as it turns out according to newspaper the oklahoman. I'll call me. Technology was founded as. I thrive by serial entrepreneur gary nelson more than ten years ago and oklahoma city. End boat now. The company is based in texas. Today it does appear but the fact that a technique going public was founded in. Oklahoma is legitimately super cool for anyone not in the us. Let me explain what i mean. If you live in america and someone mentioned the state of oklahoma you either think of a musical or some sort of flat landscape that you've never visited where probably more tractors than people now. I'm sure that oklahomans would vehemently disagree. With how most people think about their state. And don't worry. I get it. I oregon. which is two-thirds hickson and slant no worries but the outcome technology. Ipo should help shut some of those critics up. You really can't found tech giant anywhere. I'll come technology proves it and it's always need to find new places where they have sprouted up so please more this oklahoma. We'll take another and that is our show equity of courses back on wednesday and friday. We have a lot of really really great stuff coming up so we'll see you then. My name is alex. I m alex on twitter. Deputy podcast equity pod on twitter. Post jokes memes and kind of make fun of one another. It's a good time until wednesday. Stay cool be safe and we'll talk then by.

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At long last !

The big d zone

08:50 min | 2 years ago

At long last !

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woman who is so fast in the morning and i was hoping that it will be able to do everything earlier before it got so hot but nope got out there because there's a part where between the the apartment complex and then see a going port the bank is all feel like in a nothing but son in some parts into the bank there's not much sun a they want me to do this in the heat of the day i knew that what happened i knew it would happen and then when i got the bank to pay my rent before on what the taco bell to pick up my order guess let's all they have to play at the bank grenade grenade you know i wanna i catch going there for you yeah yeah yeah see michael doing everything i can for the bank that get my money plus get mile then let me back that is win the song is perfect that is when the song is perfect brain is that a song that always give me now and it said it made me met my wife but nonetheless a perfect song i don't know how it happened i don't know how it happened because that's what i've been thinking because what i've been doing the bank the make me how they somehow my monday this long in won't be the ball there in the heat wow and yet when i went to the bank a the get ready the pay my rent they played the perfect song go like had a good day antonio yeah yeah wow i will do everything i can for the bang so they either give my money on time or home my money in whatever nlrb back perfect timing i dunno i dunno how did this happen perfect timing timing how wow unbelievable unbelievable but anyway this murder i mean anyone i went inside the restaurant is very hard like let me get out of their ants i got my meal and then i went to pay the rent for before i went on my cell phone because i made sure i got enough because it was too hot to go anywhere because i wanted to go to eat a sam's club or neighborhood market an i have a choice that i could do that now because some you know already paid for my i may find a payment for past that moment that i could a you know now i'm gonna get to the hotel and i get well yeah how a which which flight i'm gonna use the go home but a frontier or use a legion an emt pay my bag for the elites in the pay my for microsoft they'll be able to do that on the ten i like i said i wasn't worried about renna like any electric because those those those those guys hey i'm not worried about it will be able to get the food and everything so i have to wait till i get more strength because the team the heat takes a lot out of you but i'm trying to see when i do my fighter foot that support but i wasn't long wait oh really alone late wow but it wasn't a coincidence that they play good made it i don't even know how that happened because that would be that same feeling that i was feeling you know that i'm not i'm not at all i can for the bank and they don't want me back and i told i told him i was like that's exactly how i feel about the the then with the car a making me go out in the heat of the day in it and then that's perfect song played perfect timing perfect timing i don't know how that happened maybe just there to make the make it a laugh or something like that i know but yeah i got a a general preservation general ticket for podcast and i like that which died the get on my food in soda but there will be snacks n n s t i just hope and the sweet tea are over there but nonetheless i'm definitely gonna podcast moment but wow that took the most i had the way to eat a later tonight to go to either be general walmart which i can do or go to stand up and say what i wanna do but only half forty four dollars less so why did they do that why did they have any way mean so wrong but finally but i do have some food so i could hold off till when i want to go to store the get the food that wants to know that would allow really along an iron finally in in abundance network fully now aunt a so i could put any website that i want to production with a trying this out abundant network but maybe i could get a much better way they 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2507 - The Senators Negotiating The Biden Legacy w/ David Dayen

The Majority Report with Sam Seder

1:12:16 hr | 3 months ago

2507 - The Senators Negotiating The Biden Legacy w/ David Dayen

"You are listening to a free version of majority report with sam cedar to support this show and get another fifteen minutes. Daily program good Already dot s. m. Please it is thursday january twenty first two thousand twenty one. My name is sam cedar. That's the five time award winning majority report. We are broadcasting live steps from the industrially ravage. Ghana's can now and the heartland of america downtown brooklyn usa on the show today. the executive editor of the american prospect. David dayan the senators negotiating up. Biden's legacy meanwhile biden pumping out amid executive orders beginning to unravel the trump era new administration reveals that they have now found no vaccine plan that was developed by donald trump while biden a enhances lgbtq protections and the biden ministration immediately fires some of the most egregious trump appointees. Democrats rebuff mitch mcconnell. Keep the door open to nuking the filibuster while romney and murkowski on attack the tap the breaks on covid relief with over four thousand. Kobe depths yesterday states are complaining. They don't have enough vaccine doses and the sad story of cunanan believers who are struggling to accept that biden's inauguration happened. Lastly chicago teachers vote to authorize a walkout beginning of next week and democrats await the articles of impeachment and the senate while donald trump trying to find some lawyers. All this and more on today's majority report. Welcome ladies and gentlemen a with me as always emma viglen. Emma hello how are you. I'm doing okay you know. I just learned some disturbing news that the my pillow guy dated jenna from thirty rock. Jane creek hausky. This is what is bothering me on this on this thursday morning and afternoon at this point. That's that sounds pretty disturbing She never slept better life. It sounds like something geno would do. Maybe not the actress but Wow that's pretty crazy. Well i guess You know the have pillow will travel The first day of the biden administration or the Another way to look at it. That i think a lot of people are looking at it this way. It's the first day without donald trump as president And i have to I have to admit you. I think we've talked about yesterday on the program going to talk about today. We're going to be talking about for the ford. There's a very different feel With this incoming democratic president then Barack obama in in some respects. I think Biden has learned the lessons of the early days of the obama administration to you know to some extent and i think progressives have certainly learned The lesson from the early days of the obama administration clue the transition in terms of like How How how much space. They're going to give joe biden. I don't think it's going to be as much as was given Barack obama and of course we also have a raging pandemic and the biden transition. This comes up this. We'll talk to david in about this. The transition team apparently Has the ability now to sort of basically spill the beans and say when we when we met with trump people they had no plan whatsoever for vaccination distribution and. It's quite obvious. I i think around the country certainly were feeling it. In new york New york new york. A smaller amount of doses. This this week than they did the week before Bill de blasio had to announce the closing of a more than half a dozen vaccination sites because there's simply no vaccine says if the trump team once they knew they weren't going to remain didn't care about putting any infrastructure in place to ensure vaccinations throughout the country. I mean that. I think even charitable look at it because They should have been putting that into place in august. I mean we knew at one point. There was going to be a vaccine. Maybe that in no it was going to be in november. Maybe they thought it was going to be in february or march or april of this year. But you're gonna need that infrastructure to produce it and better earlier than later at least come up with a plan. Nothing not well. That's a little bit tough for the trump team. But you know thinking ahead being strategic. Well do i mean doing governing this failure in it's a republican failure franklin and the you know there is a disdain for government by The republicans and it shows when they are tasked to Operate the levers of a functioning government But let's turn our attention for a moment to be most of unreasonable expectations of joe biden. And it's not even that at that. It's the re. The expectation is unreasonable. Although it is it's also that when you are faced with four hundred thousand americans dead when you are faced. A yesterday on inauguration day over four thousand americans died of covid when you are faced with we had Again over nine hundred thousand new on the claims announced today every week that has passed since the beginning of this Epidemic the number of jobless claims has been higher than at any other period in our history starting in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. They start to measure these. These unemployment claims at that time so through the great recession we are a country in deep deep material crisis. There's an epidemic people are dying. People are losing their jobs. People can't pay for food. We have massive food lines. And one of the sort of i guess slight criticisms we had although this is an important function for the president. I can understand that about yesterday. Was that there was a lot of soaring rhetoric. Lot of metaphor I don't wanna say pablum but there was stuff in there that was really just make us feel good and and it feel some type of Sense that our democracy is safe. I think that's a legitimate function. Patriotism of politics of like yes for chicago. But i you know. I think there's a certain role for the president to play but the press should be better and they're not here is cnn. Here's jim Skew to this is they are. This is a cnn anchor. Calling out to the president. This is really the least i. Relevant question as to what joe biden needs to get done with all of those challenges that i just Neum rated mr present. It can unite the country. It's quite a moment. Jake is this is something we did not know we would see today. Given the you know. If i had a moment to ask joe biden the incoming president something might not be that especially because that's the only thing joe biden talks about. I mean not the only thing but his number one talking point number one piece of rhetoric is unity unity. I'm going to unite them. Not going to divide the unity. Not really at the top of my mind. Not a burning question. Are you focused on unity. Joe biden pretty. Sure he is well. The funny thing is is that you know. It's one thing for joe biden to call for unity of the american people but the idea that joe biden can unite. People came out in the washington. Post today over. Seventy percent of republicans said they agreed with president. Trump's contention this is a A study that was done with the twenty six hundred registered voters. It was done about a wo- about two or three weeks ago. Over seventy percent of republicans said they agreed with president. Trump's contention that he received more votes than joe biden and it was. This is across the board with problems. It's not not you know. Non college educated republican it was it was across the board with republicans they gave them three statements all false one millions of fraudulent mail. An absentee ballots were cast in this past election to voting machines were manipulated to add tens of thousands of votes for joe biden and three thousands of votes were recorded for dead people. Those were the statements they gave. And more than fifty percent of republican respondents said it was very agar those three false statements sixty or fifty percent over fifty percents that they were very accurate statements over seventy five percent. Republicans either said they were very accurate statements or somewhat accurate statements. There is no unifying the country. I don't even know. I don't even know what that means In the sense that are everybody can be on the same page. The answer is no hope. The one thing that i think If you were to ask them is is it. A bad thing to have four hundred thousand people dead. Is it a bad thing to have. Four thousand people dying on that day of covid. Is it a bad thing to have Millions of americans unemployed millions of americans in food lines. I think the answer is probably yes. And then i think the real the real question that the press should be asking me to be asking. What are you gonna do to fix that period end of story however i mean the question just quickly. The question should be. How are you going to unify the country. How are you going to do it. I mean my view. Is you increase people's material well-being because people are really hurting right now but that doesn't need to be. Cnn's question there. it shouldn't be. Are you going to unite the country. I mean biden could just go. Yeah all right end of story and of question and to be fair journalists not just. It's not just cnn. That's obsessed with that question. Here's ainsley earhardt on fox news. And she feels that it's going to be very unifying. Joe biden does anything as president. Our country has got to come together. Joe biden said yesterday. I want unity. He talked about that in his speech but the first thing he does the first order of business is to walk in. Sit down at the table and he has seventeen executive orders really wiping away. Much of what. President trump did so his supporters are saying. How can we have unity. If you're taking away everything that we liked it for one second. The first that they've put up there is that you've got to wear a mask in buildings. Yeah how radical that That that critique would be in a bit of better faith if trump hadn't just barged into the white house four years later and ripped up everything that had obama's sent on it or anything. Obama touch tried to set it on fire ridiculous. Continue to play with We played that clip. Here taking everything that we like you have those scrolling across your greens. Join to list off the ending president. Trump's six commission rejoining the team health organization of course there was a lot of criticism for who keeps going they're mad at covert across this world rejoined. The parrot climates climate agreement and many many more speaking of the paris climate agreement. There is of course this push to rejoin the world's effort to battle climate change. Joe biden is making it one of the first things. He wants to do his administration. Well mark moreno. He's executive editor of climate depot. Any more of that highlight reel. Yeah i know. And i like how what. They extend the eviction moratorium until september. That was one of the things on that. Scroll showed unifying policy those trump's policy but it's just unifying for him to extend it. It's this unifying for me or it's entertaining to me. That he's not going further than that and by you know still has not made an effort quite yet to cancel any scent of student debt. So that's why we take a break when we come back. We'll be talking to david day. Executive editor of the american prospect on all of these executive orders and much more. We'll be right back after this folks. Today's sponsor of the majority report is better. Help online counseling. They're giving our audience ten percent off their first month. When you go to better help dot com slash majority report but helped gives you access to your own fully licensed and accredited therapist via phone chat or video. I think people are aware of this But a lot of therapists Elsewhere have long weightless it can take weeks. It can take months before you can see. You can see you but when you sign up with better help they match you with a therapist based on your specific needs and they do so within twenty four hours. You'll be talking to them. Look i think. I mean stressful time. folks have anxiety I myself am In you know feeling it. I imagine others are. I think in some ways you know i did my feeling about. 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Of course i've been interviewing you for an extended period of time But i gotta you the reporting that you guys have done over the american prospect in terms of leading up to the The biden inauguration in terms of who they were going to Pick for some key spots was Amazing you guys Out reported some of the biggest Newspapers and reporting in media enterprises in the country. So kudos on that and you also at the american prospect. Have been writing about joe. Biden's day one agenda for months. If not a year. I think or certainly by the time he got the nomination and it was and i think when you started it was not joe. Biden's day one agenda. It was whoever the president was well. We are now in day. Two of the biden administration. I wanna get into what's happening in the senate and and and and in terms of the covid relief but give us a sense of of what joe biden did yesterday and today and of course on some level it's a metaphor right But what he's done so far relative to a what he can do in be what he projected he would do right. I mean the day one agendas just sort of a stand in for executive action and You know we outline starting last at strength. September twenty nine thousand nine hundred What the Executive actions could be the next democratic president who take so here comes biden on day one and the vast majority of what he did was reversing trump actions. Some of those. Very laudable reversals Ending construction the border wall. You know ending The migrant protection program a lot of really cruel immigration programs rejoining the paris agreements and and and so on You know getting back to the status quo of two thousand sixteen. I mean you know in a sense. That's that's great. It's also you know not exactly an expansive vision for executive action. Just sort of puts us back to where we work. And you know presidents often do this. They they reverse They do the easy work of reversing the the actions of their predecessor. There's a thing called the mexico city rule which is around Abortion law and. I think it's been added and subtracted in every administration. Since i think clinton would you know the an on day one the you know the first I you put it up and then you bring it down. Put out that so this is. This is kind of normal. The one thing that was actually in our day one agenda package. That biden actually Enacted on day. One was this thing very sure thing called the social cost of carbon and let me explain it We had a guy. Steve novick that wrote a piece for us about it. When you do regulation you have to do this. Cost benefit analysis of whether it's worth it to do the regulation and you take into account On the cost side not just the cost to businesses or things like that but in terms of climate regulation you take account the social cost of putting carbon into the atmosphere so what it means for communities what it means for public health needs for all these things and they actually quantified somme. Put it into a number and under trump and even before that under obama. This number was absurdly low So it made it not worth it to engage in climate regulation because the social costs was very very low. so biden on day. One said we're going to restart the interagency working groups. And within thirty days come up with an interim Recalculation of the social cost of carbon to make better reflect what the actual impact of of carbon pollution. This that's really great. It's like under the radar really into the weeds. But it's one of those things that we looked at in the day. One agenda that is you know maybe unheralded but really really important in terms of tangible kind of results so that was that was good but i think overall you get kind of an incomplete here You know you're reversing a bunch of trump actions that's great but we need to go further and You know hopefully when people get into place We'll we'll start. See that david the hell. Yeah just the most glaring thing. That's missing for me when i'm looking over. His immediate agenda is cancellation of any student. Loan debt Can you talk about what you've heard on that front when it comes to any exac executive action. The bar keeps getting lower and lower in terms of the financial threshold. But he's he's extending the cancelling of interest rates through september but or the zero percent interest rate. But i obviously there needs to be more action on that front. this is kind of. what's amazing. is that the thority. That biden is using or biden's education secretary is using to pause payments and to cancel interest. Is the same authority that you would use to cancel student debt. So he's he's not denying that the ability is there that the authority is inherent. He's just not going as far as as needs begotten. Of course pausing. The payments is just extending what the trump administration had put in place as far as student I know that the administration is aware of of the the the ability to to cancel student. Debt i know that there are champions within the government for doing At what level is unclear You know biden during the campaign said he was gonna present the congress's plan to cancel ten thousand dollars The first ten thousand dollars You know that we thought was going to be in this one point nine trillion kovic relief bill and it wasn't that at didn't even make the first cut so it's unclear where we are with that but i mean i know that there is at least some sense within the administration that this is something they can do and that they should do The question is whether they win. That are i mean. That's a great question. Because i wanna make it clear you know. I imagine there's a lot of people out there. I mean look. There's a lot of people in this country are very glad to see. Donald trump gone and with More reasons than we could outline probably in the context of a one show. We would probably need an entire. We would need hours For for reasons for wanting trump gone. And there's a general sentiment of like it's day one you know. Give them a chance to catch his breath and get some people on there. But i think the the the student loan issue whether you agree with cancellation of debt. Or not and i think i certainly think that we should be doing We should we should be doing that. That amount that schumer and warren called for which was fifty thousand dollars but the point is is that joe biden clearly knows he could do it. I just wanna make it clear that this is a choice. He's making in this moment. They the the the effort that it took to extend that moratorium is exactly the same. The exact same effort you just need to use your signature and sign it and and that could have happened was really just a question of will and choice and so That's why these things. that's i think. A perfect example right fair to talk about this on day to on day. One one thing about that. Sam is that on their way out. The door the Education department betsy devos education department. Put out this memo that Tried to make a legal case for why the education department cannot cancel student at and the person who did it The jet the council. The lawyer who wrote this memo Previously worked at chamber of commerce. And they're about fifteen legal citations in the memo and almost all of them are from opinions. Joined by or written by antonin scalia. So it was. It was an extremely partisan effort on the part of the education department. Just kind of build something that conservatives can then go back to say that the education department said that you can't do this It was based on a lot of half readings of statutes and things like that and and it was all scalia based which was kind of amazing to make his long tentacles and All right well. Let's there's a bunch of other things i want to talk about And obviously we'll get to the covid vaccine. Because that is i mean. I think there's enormous mandate for him to do something about that. Maybe we should start there in fact It's being reported today. Now that the biden transition team feels unshackled in terms of what they can talk about what they found when they started to to Work with the trump administration on the transition Now that they're not worried about upsetting the feelings of the of the republicans who worked for a trump. They're saying there was no plan none whatsoever in terms of vaccine so Joe biden has Signalled if not actually begun the process of of of of ah centrally launching the defense production act. What areas is he going to use this. I mean it. It seems to me from what. I'm reading among everything else including the type of syringes so that you can actually get five doses out of the pfizer is there seems to be a lack vaccine and it seems to me that like producing. The vaccine is the greatest. Need right now. It's a real concern. We have a great piece today. Actually by olivia web. A feature for next issue of bow. the difference between vaccine production and vaccine distribution in in vaccine production. The government really got involved. This whole operation warp speed. Think they funded vaccine effort. Big government like purchase guarantees. They cleared up things in the supply. Chain they really use their contract. Power to accelerate this vaccine production which normally takes years and we got it done in nine months and then they took a completely liz a fair approach to the distribution part and You see how it's it's it's starting to to struggle and and wayne from there. Can i clarify distribution and production by production. Are you talking about the development. Finance alexander vaccine. Yes and then by distribution. I'm talking about getting the vaccine into people's arms but those winds there in between where you're not able to produce more more more. We know there was. There was a lot of of production that was sort of pre-position. But certainly not enough. And one thing. We're seeing a particularly in the madeira. Aside is that their promises for one hundred million shots by the end of march seemed to be now unrealistic they would need to produce a million shots per day in order to get to that point just as a production matter and they're producing about three hundred thousand one day so This this is a real problem. And you know if you look at this. I mean the defense production act is what it's a war. Korean war era law. That was about scaling up to a war mobilization effort and if you look at this as a war effort which which really it is in terms of you know the level of response that we need that should be going into Using whatever resources we have available in frankly it should have been months ago. Because he got to retool a plant mother to in order to you know. Get it ready for vaccine production. You gotta retool a plant To to to make sure it can work so this has been in place a long time ago but we should be doing whatever possible. So that means The syringes supplies and things like that. It also means ingredients that go into the vaccine because there are a lot of different things that have to go into creating and producing vaccine and then retooling the factories to do the vaccine. Now one thing that you could do that biden hasn't hasn't done yet is say okay. Johnson and johnson nova backs all these other companies. That were trying to create the first vaccine. Those plants are the ones that could most easily be converted to the vaccine that we know works. We have emergency use authorization for those you can go to those companies and say i have derived reduction demanding that you convert your plan into making the pfizer and medina vaccine and pfizer. Medina gonna give you the ingredients so that you can. You're able to do that so that's one thing. And of course. I would imagine there would be pushed back from the johnson and johnson because we get more profit if we sell our own etc etc. I mean right. But they're compelled under the defense production and they're paid for this for. There is a fair market profit. That's given to them. It's just a may not be the unfair market Profit that they the number one maximization of shareholder value may not be completely squeezed out right. But but i mean the thing about the syringes is real like you. The difference between getting five doses out of visor a vile and six is close to twenty percent. And you don't have to retool anything to do that. You just have to get the syringes with what they call low face which means that you just don't waste as much per shot and so you. What we don't know is is some of the syringes that are being ships by the government to these various vaccine locations. Some of them have the low dead space syringes and some of them. Joe and we don't know how many do and how many bells so we can't really assess what's the benefit on in total will be from redoing the whole syringe supply chain and making sure we're we're we're maximizing. I feel like there could be an entire industry built upon just the absolute failure of the trump republican administration. On just doing this. I mean this seems so fundamental so rudimentary. That honestly i feel like a teenager with all due respect to teenagers could have basically outlined everything that needs to be done for the moment. We're in now. I mean you're talking about when you're doing it as warm moguls at an means money right and every dollar we spend. Sometimes we talk about the The multiplier factor is like a dollar of infrastructure. Gets you a dollar. Fifty of of of economic activity dollar a vaccine spending. Probably gets you ten dollars of i. I've seen reports at a conservative estimate. That every one day that we get closer to normalcy in other words every one day we get closer to hurt immunity reopened. The country means like ten billion dollars in economic activity. It's it's an insane number and so you know back argues for. Let's do a bill that appropriates a massive amount of money for vaccines right now. Let's not wait for a reconciliation process. Could take months and months and months and being long gated. let's do that right now and On the assumption that you would have bipartisan support to get the country back to normal and if you don't you can tag republicans with like they want people to die and they want the economy to cripple be and then pass the two thousand dollar checks and and with you. I through conciliation right. I wrote. I wrote this today on at first one. Hundred are our new. Ask story at a series on the first hundred days. It's the checks and shot strategy so you bundle together the two thousand dollar checks and money for vaccines and that bill in theory can pass with sixty votes to regular order really fast and that sounds like a skinny bill but if you think about it it's about four hundred thirty billion dollars to top these checks the two thousand and if you make them just two thousand dollar checks it's about six hundred billion dollars and the money that biden has asked for for the vaccine if you're including the Public health jobs core one hundred thousand workers if you're including money for testing it's that's another four hundred billion. This is almost the size of the december bill. The nine hundred billion dollar deal. It's not skinny. It's like it's a big bill and it probably can pass. So let's do it. Well let's talk about what's happening in the senate because there's there's there's there's been reporting that there's multiple tracks that are happening in and we'll talk a little bit about one thing that came out In the reporting in the past day or two is that Chuck schumer has rebuffed. Mitch mcconnell's Desire to basically commit to shelving the idea of filibuster reform as part of their fifty fifty Power sharing and i think the power-sharing is probably an overstatement in terms of what it what it actually means in practice In the way that they organized the senate. Let's go to that in a moment but my understanding is that the biden administration and the biden transition team had already begun negotiations with a gang of sixteen. They're calling it which is eight democrats eight republicans who are presumably sort of the The the the the the the lease conservative in the republican party in the most conservative in the democratic party i think is probably the way to say ostensibly And they're meeting supposedly to hammer out this deal. I saw a report that said Mitt romney and lisa murkowski are saying that the timing seems a little bit like the inks not dry on that nine hundred billion dollars. Do you have a sense of what the state of play in those negotiations are. And what what. The strategy is by the biden administration in the way that they're approaching this. I mean it could be a myriad that right it could be. They're looking for that so-called skinny bill which is really not that skinny or they're looking for the republicans to reject the whole thing so they can justify Filibuster reform or they're thinking reconciliation. Give us a sense of what you've heard in terms of Of what's going on with us. Look if you read the public statements of murkowski ronnie. You're it's pretty clear that you're not going to get republican support for the bill. That biden put out. That's the one point nine trillion dollar bill. I mean you're not going to get republican support for you. Just not and i think that has triggered this idea of a skinny bill strategy of a checks and shots strategy because that might get sixty votes And you at least try that and if it works you get that done and you put points on the board you build trust because this is what you this is what you ran on in georgia You and you get the my out fast which you need to do vaccines and it would be good to do on checks already. The six hundred dollar bills. You're seeing That Raise sales in restaurants for example. That was something came out in the wall street journal today. So that's the ideas that you do that skinny bill and then you go back and you can under reconciliation rules do the rest of the bill where you don't have to rely on republicans support. I think they're going to inevitably get to that. That bad idea. The question is went and do we have to wait around when mitt romney. the lisa. murkowski where you're most likely votes or at least hausky is Are saying i don't want to do this. I mean what. Take for an answer and move on. What's your sense of what their timings gonna be. I mean it sort of feels like we're watching a movie that we have watched a million times before during the obama administration. And you know what how this ends Barack obama i think wrote about in his book on how it ends like. Why do we have to stay to the end right. What what. I what i have heard from. The people i've talked to is that there is an understanding that there's kind of a deadline here And that deadline is when the unemployment extension runs out again and that is the middle of march so they recognize that they're going to have to get something in place before then because what we're seeing now is the fact that we waited so long until those programs actually expired for donald trump that finally signed the bill in december that has still three weeks later led to millions of people who are not backup on those programs. And it's just hard to turn around these very rickety state unemployment systems and so there's an understanding that yeah we gotta get that in place pretty soon because There's there's a lag time here we don't want to go to the end again and usually congress doesn't get its act together until there's a deadline anyway. The question is it's january twenty first. Why do we have to wait until march fourteen. These things expire or to even the end of february. Let's get the the the. Get the reconciliation bill in motion. We wanna do check some shots. Let's do that. Let's get moving but apparently the houses is out next week. So we're already rory pushing this name Talk just one more thing in terms of legislation and one or two others if you're a little bit beginning to get pressed for time here but the h one s one H hr one. I should say S one these. Hr one was passed by the house. In two thousand eighteen it is a sort of an omnibus bill including all sorts of voting rights and anti-corruption measures The senate is. I think in a look at the same thing. Do you have a sense of how. What the interplay. Like i think sean announcement the other day or at least some reporting that democrats are saying that the you know that that reconciliation bill may not come until the beginning of march. At least the the big one. Maybe they do the skinny one in between there Do you get a sense that there is some type of coordinated strategy of if mitt romney says not this then. The filibuster than reconciliation is there any sequencing. Is there any. Do you get the sense that they are gaming this out or is it one of those things like well. Let's see what happens and will Will decide in the mom. I don't think there's a a lot of strategy there. What i would say is that it does appear clearer that the the people who matter on the filibuster issue people like joe manchin like your cinema. John hickenlooper maybe. They need to be shown. I don't know why but they need to be shown. One more time bet. Republicans are going to obstruct any effort at at at progress. They need to be shown again. And so The i mean s. One is doomed. Like there's there's no there's not going to be any republican support for s one for democracy reform You have the folks down in georgia right now at the state level saying Well we we really have to change these voting procedures or else. Republicans are never going to be able to win here. I mean that's like almost a direct quote from a state legislator in georgia direct quote. As far as i could tell us. So you're just not going to get buy in for you know the kinds of things that are in. Hr one and s one and so it's a choice and i've seen as recline octopus like. It's a choice that you can make. We can either have democracy reform or are we gonna have the filibuster By the same token we can either have a minimum wage although maybe there are ways to finesse sat in a reconciliation bill but really we can either have an increase in the minimum wage. Or are we gonna have the phil bust. So i you know. The choice is up to at those individuals that are are you know standing in the way and you know i. The problem is we don't have a good whip. Count on that. I mean we know mansions probably against it. We know that Cima might be dianne. Feinstein might be against right wing. Any we don't know. And we should know. I mean that that that should be an effort from the grassroots to try to find out where people are on filibuster farm so we know how far we are away and it's a good point. I don't know if people remember this but back in two thousand five in george bush's Second term at the beginning second term. He wants to privatize social security. I think it was talking points memo That started a essentially a grass roots. Whip count where it was contact. Your congressperson ask them where they stand on this. And it created pressure against those who were for privatizing social security. And i should just add just so that people understand when you talk about h one s one and when you talk about the fifteen dollars minimum wage. These are in the fifteen dollars minimum wages. There's a question about but h one and s one because they deal with voting rights and and like you say democracy reforms. They don't affect the government's budget and they cannot be included in the reconciliation process. Which can only deal with legislation that that that Fundamentally non incidentally affects the government budget. But let let me say one thing here. Because i know you never miss an opportunity to praise. Chuck schumer so i wanna do that. You know he has not agreed to this Bid by mcconnell to get him on the record on keeping the filibuster he had held out in pretty impressive way. Because you know any mcconnell's bill effort here might just be delay because as long as you don't have an operating agreement you can't get much done in the senate particularly on nominees because It it's you're not talking about how many members are of each party are going to be on the committees. I mean that's what gets figured out in power sharing agreement and without that it's hard to move forward although you can. Obviously i mean ever hanes was a confirmed yesterday but it's harder to to set up the committees and move forward Without that power sharing agreement. So we kinda might be just trying to delay but good on chuck schumer for not saying okay. Yeah i'll agree to that. I'll i'll keep the filibuster intact. Let me just also say there's a clock on that because there is a there is a somewhere in new york state. There is a filing deadline for primaries and chuck schumer is very concerned as my understanding of being primary and so this paperwork filled out on that yet. I am still. I'm filling it out for him. He likes. They're not the m working on the paypal as we speak. But the point being that his incentive to pursue a filibuster reform probably significantly diminishes if he feels like his seat is secure and. I don't think there's any question i mean i think. He thinks that he can win. A primary. I don't think there's any reason to doubt that he has a tremendous amount of money. But it's not a good luck for the senate majority leader to lose thirty percent of the democratic vote in new york state or more for that matter a primary in there certainly some of that happening in new york and so he has some pressure And so it's gonna be interesting to sort of like people should keep that in in their mind. At one point chuck schumer is going to make a determination as to how serious that primary threat is and if he determines that it's not that Serious he may start acting in a slightly different manner. All right last league moment like the two big stories is the The congressional review act and the firings. There were three major firings yesterday. By the biden administration. One of whom was the general counsel national labor relations board which apparently is a very big deal Because this a five member board. I mean this is this is lot of. There's very few people making a determination. I should say a The does general counsel is it really prioritizes cases for the board and devotes resources terms of staff attorneys. He's the throttle. Essentially is the throttle. So so it's an important position and this guy. Peter robb is an anti union guy. Going way back he was involved in the paco. Firing the firing of the air traffic controllers under reagan in the eighties. So this is like a a an og anti guy right and so what was interesting about that is that biden. Asked for the resignations. Three people it was the head of the cfp The The head of the parent the parent organization for voice of america And and this guy rob from from the lower and see. If pb and voice of america people just resigned. They said okay. We will see he be is the consumer financial protection bureau. This is They charge a lot of and by the way If if it wasn't for a supreme court ruling that said the president can fire the head of the fbi that person would have been in place until december twenty twenty three so thank you supreme court for For facilitating consumer protection america. Sto anyway those to reside. But this peter rob guy said adding. I refused to resign and now union so much right. I'm not going to let go of this job. I need to with. He was eligible to stay until november is termed. Didn't run out until november so think back to the obama administration if they were confronted with this they would have taken meeting they would have maybe done a poll on how this would play on fox news and they they would just really deeply thought about this for awhile within about five minutes of peter rob saying i'm not quitting. He was fire. And so that is whether it's learning from the past or whether it's just a different orientational on the part of the biden administration. There was a definite sense that we're we're going to do this thing that we promised to do. And we're not gonna worry about the optics of it. We're not gonna worry about whether it looks like you know overweening a force against against conservatives. We don't care you're out i all. This is flooding back from those early days of the obama administration where there was a real concerned about czars rat That that the obama administration was a point. And lastly the any executive action that is taken within a certain window is to the end of the administration is subject to review by congress reversal and then higher threshold to reinstate it reinstituted in the future and that also is done under fifty vote Environment so for the senate that's not filibuster so you can do that with a majority vote so i assumed that somewhere. I mean this was only a reality after georgia. So it's a scramble. But i assume somewhere in the administration there in congress they're coming up with lists of things to overturn because they need to. They need to get on. That o'clock stick samsa. Internet might have cut out right there all right well. I think we're probably going to wrap up now. Thank you so much david. I really appreciate your time. We both do. I'll speak for frozen san there all right. Thank you thanks so much. We are back Frozen sam is Is ally thank you for For handling that a bit of an internet issue there But i got to say you know it is It is a very odd Well i just. The juxtaposition between the obama administration and the biden administration is a fascinating one insofar as i believe the expectations and the excitement frankly around the obama election and and his presidency was was greater than it is for biden and the level of scrutiny of his first executive orders and and and how he was setting up was much less And and yet you know biden because of the pressure that he is getting From democrats who want to see him big There's we're starting to see a little bit more now with that said literally over the past hour. It has been a announced that or reported. I should say that mcconnell mitch. Mcconnell is holding up the resolution of that organizing The rules for the senate basically filibustering it four and in holding it hostage for chuck schumer to say that he will not use filibuster reform. I mean there's an interesting take care and and maybe this is something we'll talk about more tomorrow. When joe biden comes out and he talks about unity that much it becomes a leverage point for republicans to say you're not delivering on the unity and it makes it very easy for them to dictate the success or failure of biden's agenda and and and dictated so that it's on joe biden's shoulders as opposed to if joe biden's primary agenda was we're going to get And of course she stated this but unity obviously carried the day yesterday. We're going to have everybody inoculated. We're going to have everybody taken care of if you've lost your job we're going to have Taken care of. If can't pay your rent if you are food insecure all of this and but making you know hard policy promises. That's just not biden style and it never has been. He wants to talk like vaguely about unity. And and promise promising to make your life people's lives better but not necessarily tied to any specific policy proposal or outcome. I mean he's he's he's he's listed them off but he certainly hasn't put them as the primary sales pitch. I mean you know as as evidence that at least by His his inaugural speech and it really the next thirty days maybe sixty days. But i'm thinking closer to forty five. We're gonna know whether joe biden is going to abandon that notion that he has the ability to unify people who frankly the republican party is still the republican party that they were before donald trump who wouldn't give merrick garland a hearing that they were during donald trump and that they will be tomorrow and the sooner the joe biden accepts that and decides that he's going to move his agenda forward. I think the better off the country is going to be and frankly the better off. Joe biden is going to be Politically the better off. The democratic party is going to be not responding to this moment with a robust stimulus which is needed and in order to get that you need to combat the republicans and also those two thousand dollar checks. That biden promised not doing so would be a political disaster for the democratic party. So just for self-preservation they need to view it. Well as a folks will be covering that tomorrow and then The the days and weeks ahead we will see you that. And for those of you who are sticking around the the full crew is about to Hop on the zoom call. And i am about to to Drop off. i will tell you this little bit house cleaning. I will be. I believe doing i think a livestream or maybe a recording on. I'm not sure exactly on the podcast. Bad faith Hand so Brie and virgil texas We'll be talking to them. I presume some of it will be about You know the the whole force devote thing and just base probably generally the perspective that That we need to take When dealing with democrats to get what. We want from democrats and So tune into that. I think i'll have more information about that probably tomorrow but you want to support this program. Join the majority report when you do you become member of the program you support the free show and then you get extra content and you get the free show without commercials also check out. Am quickey you can sign up for that. At am quickie dot com. Today i mentioned on Nomi show can find it at youtube dot com slash the no miki show or twitch dot tv the underscore no miki underscore show and Who'd i can't remember exactly who she had Was having on today. Today she's having a harvey kaye is going to be on so check that out and had a great show yesterday. I think stephanie kelton was on. Maybe thomas frank as well so Check that out. In the meantime jamie what's happening on the anti fatah well this week on the anti fatah. It's a very special episode. In honor of martin luther king day and if the inauguration of our new president i was joined by aaron thorpe of the trail billy workers party and a time of monsters as well as underage. Oh amis of the drop squad to talk about the first volume of barack obama's serial killer memoir promise land so we talk all about it. What he's trying to do how he brought americans together. Is he more likely to donna. Walter way it's a really good Primer considering that we're going for around two right now of kind of an obama administration. So that's out now. Patriarch dot com slash. The antifa do. I feel bad for making a couple of black leftist. Talk about obama. I'm okay day. Yes yes i do. Are we going to do it again. With the second volume comes out probably is. You're going to be a second volume. Oh there's going to be at least two because he couldn't say what he wanted to say in one seven hundred page book. Well i've actually been thinking about reading that book you kim farro my copy. It's got a lot of notes in it already. Sounds work speed. Three times speed rather. Yeah yeah it's very smug. He hates us. That's the most clear part. He hates everyone. Except for except for. Like larry summers timothy geithner people like that. He loves them. I i've told that story about What eliot spitzer wants told me. I'll tell i'll save it for now. matt what i got a story about a eliot spitzer's perspective on obama back in two thousand ten ivy leaguers. Yeah basically it was just sort of. He didn't understand I thought about that like he didn't understand that those guys were idiots right but his mom was also an academic like he shouldn't have been completely clueless. His parents were doesn't so much sitting understand that they were stupid as much as they didn't. He assumed that because they had they were. You know it at a certain You know of a certain class or station that they knew what they were talking about. I mean outside province intelligence with virtuous snus or with the right way to govern. I i mean. I think he just felt like these people knew what they were talking about. I mean and. I don't think he just thought that at that moment i think he thought that I think he must have thought that throughout his sort of like even at harvard law school I think you you know i will. This is a longer conversation but measuring the book. First and then. Here's another thing that we figured out. I yeah anywhere book anywhere in the book where you're like. Wow i thought obama was supposed to be the smart president why. Cbs oh no. He's not dumb. He thinks that your dumb and he's talking to you like your child so that might be what was going on with that perception of of his being oppressed by harvard law people or whatever. It doesn't age well his like whole attitude about governance for sure but it wasn't so it wasn't wasn't so great at the beginning i don't know i mean it gets worse and worse with time like matt bender. What's happening on doomed. Holo sam last night on a special inauguration episode of doomed i had jared holt the Right wing researcher and host of another right wing podcast on the show and we basically talked about the cunanan. Freak out on our inauguration day and where the movement goes from there and what other right wing movements are going. Try to sort of bring the cunanan people into their further right even more nefarious Reactionary worlds were. You surprised that there was no violence in any of the state capitals around the country. I i mean obviously fifteen thousand troops maybe more in washington dc. I don't think there was much room there. And i think some of the capitals were definitely locked down around the michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania. But were you surprised that there weren't any anywhere. No i mean i that. What were they going to do. January sixth was their last stand to take action and actually do something with trump. Still in office at that point on the twentieth. Wh i mean trump left earlier that day. He already basically conceded that day and said i'm out what were they gonna going to do. You know and also i think you know. A lot of the cuban on people are probably in the eyes of other more extremists. Right wing groups that they're soft they sit online and they of these things happening but they don't actually for the most part do anything You know even on the on january. Sixth the cunanan. They stood out because they were dressed in such flamboyant costumes. And you know it's easy to point them out with their q t shirts but they were probably the most identifiable what what were they going to do in terms of get away with anything that they would pull off the true like people to worry about where the ones down there on january sixth and militia groups in white supremacist groups who actually had gone out there in full blown. Yeah y- apparently Was telling people address in black so they think you're antifa when you go to the capital matt lack what's happening in the matt leckie in Media universe yeah. Tonight at eight eastern. The new times love people Not on the east coast to get off work and stuff Eighty s milton al-mahdi on to talk about uganda. And mussa vinnie. Bobby wine what's going on there with the basically self coup Also get milton's reaction to Biden and the capital riots. And we'll also talk about how bill gates is buying up all the farmland. 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Regulators Order Google: Let Employees Speak

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USA recently began offering cell phone plans at twenty dollars a month for existing Internet TV and landline phone customers and thirty dollars a month for non-customers which is incidentally less than what rival charter and comcast charge for their wireless services coming up amid a growing push to hold Silicon Valley early more accountable. The government has a message for Google. Let employees speak out. You're invited to travel the world and discover what it means to live the intercontinental dental life with more than two hundred properties worldwide intercontinental hotels and resorts welcomes you to icon properties in global destinations including New York London and Shanghai discover more about these cities and the tails inspire with stories of the intercontinental life a collection of stories that will excite your curiosity and offer new perspectives on the world here more at intercontinental dot com forward slash life the national labor relations board has officially ordered Google to let employees speak out on political and workplace issues. It is the latest bid to to hold Google legally accountable for something. So what does this mean for workplace culture in Silicon Valley. How about four accountability for big tech here to help us sort things out is Wall Street Journal reporter Robin Copeland Patching in from San Francisco. Hey Rob. Thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. So what does this settlement specifically mean for Google so this settlement woman really is the latest in a number of actions that regulators have taken regarding speech and activity at Google. This is a reminder sure that no matter what rules that Google may have for its employees they still have to follow the law and in fact the law supersedes that this is in response to complaints about about how Google handles workplace descent essentially remind us how we got here because Google was once known as a workplace culture designed to encourage open debate exactly Google Google is founded two decades ago to organize the world's information. They have a slogan that basically says do no evil however in recent years the workplace it has really been roiled by a number of arguments over youtube policies on hate speech over whether conservatives at the company are given a fair shake when they share their the ideas and what is ostensibly a search engine has really devolved into a number of shouting matches this this issue of being able to speak to the media freely. Can you talk a little bit more about that how that plays into the whole big story here sure. Google and a lot of the other big tech companies have very strict policies on their employees employees speaking to the media and that can affect a lot of people because Google alone employs one hundred thousand full-timers another hundred thousand part timers so the NLRB here is asking google to remind employees that they are allowed to speak to the media. They don't have to ask for permission and that's a big deal until it can valley right. It's interesting because for Google. The seems like a little bit of an escape hatch as you mentioned in your article it holds Google accountable but it doesn't say Google a wrong long. Is this a win. This is as close to a win as you're gonNA find for Google in two thousand nineteen. There was one complaint in particular from a former engineer who is as conservatives who said that he was fired. After expressing some right-leaning beliefs and the agreement does not say that they have to rehire him does not say that they have to pay him back it essentially just as they have to remind employees that they're allowed to share similar beliefs big picture. Does this leave a mark. Does this set set the stage. You know we also just have this figures coming from France with regards to tax disputes. Can we expect to see more accountability from Google from Big Tech. What's your sense. You're certainly gonNA. I WANNA see more actions. We're seeing them already. The other side of that is Google is so fantastically successful that these fines and these actions have essentially actually no impact on the bottom line. France announced a one billion dollar about a tax penalty Google's advertising revenue last year was there's one hundred sixteen billion dollars in there you have it Rob Copeland. Thanks so much for the time that will do it for this edition of tech news briefing from the newsroom in New York. I'm Tanya Bustos. Thanks for listening.

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