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Radiation Nation - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 12/9/20
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Am on iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast. George noory back with your daniel deboned with us daniel if you could see the ems frequency waves like lines. What would they look like. Would they be all over the place. Well think of it this way Y you're you're you're on the side of a shore and you see waves coming in And so i mentioned you want to gigahertz. Per second is it's time interval. And so those are waves. well like bursts. Well actually they are a burst ultimately. And that's what makes these more more concerning than the justice standard analog signal there pulsing signals and so but but it's important to note that when it's transmitted of these cell phone is going forty-five miles and to get there and to get to. The right place is family directional. It's going in all directions so when you have a cell phone on it fills the entire room and goes outside the building looking for the receiver at the other end. And so you have one trans better like that in your room and then you have other devices in your own. They're all doing the same thing literally going through walls and sorta. That's the point. Is that what we're starting to get all of these transmitters in our these wireless devices all around us. They're all transmitting somewhere. wi fi Bluetooth and and when when they're doing that they're populating The the signals within this in our environment that's never existed in our environment before. Is there any science yet. That shows that these. Emf waves are hurting us. Yes it's out there actually. That's the controversy. Georgia turns out that as i mentioned before the fcc has a standard was done thirty thirty years ago. Well before we had all this technology way. Before george i have a cell phone at that time and i never used it because none of my friends had one. That was the big motorola looking. Wasn't it think of it right. They use those in the military to try to communicate with each other exactly so so knowing used it was only occasional. Now you have as you pointed out. Six year olds calling their grandma it talking for hours at a time. So uses fundamentally changed for these technologies and and so the standard Is stating one thing. But now our research. The independent research has shown that this clear evidence of causal effect in fact believe it or not the federal government the branch of the federal government national tex- texas toxicology programme. They did a sixty a twenty five million dollars. Study epidemiology study statistically significant in other words the populations where large enough that you could draw conclusions with confidence and so they did the study and they said there's statistically significant increase in cancer rates and rates in the brain frontal lobe and the heart. Believe it or not and that was reinforced by another research. That was done by the ramazani institute to italy. And that's a consortium of european scientists and epidemiologists and they did the same kind of study and came up with the same kind of solution. conclusions So we now have pretty significant statistically significant evidence that there is clear linkage causal effect between the use of cell phone and And and harm to the body. And in fact george Frontal lobe cancer has been increasing to percents compounding. The last ten years. Well i lost a sister daniel several years ago. She had a brain tumor on the left side of her head and she was always on her cell phone left side always talking to her two daughters texting them. But i mean always on it. I try not. I try to use the speaker when i talk. I try to hold it away from me. Here's here's a question for you. Most people will charge their phone at night and the phone is about two feet away from where they sleep. Is that dangerous. that's nuts. i'll tell you a story. I was talking about the importance of a sanctuary in the bedroom. When you when you sleep The cell phone transmitters literally influ interfere with the the Body functions including melatonin. And so when you have that close to you you're maybe not getting the full sleep. You should get you have influences and in fact there's no doubt about it. Some of us will clearly have disrupted sleep because yeah slightly more sensitive than others and there no doubt. The sanctuary of a bedroom is so important. You didn't want route is you. Don't want cellphones. You don't even want clocks close to you. You want them at least four foot away So go back to the story. I was talking to this Very shop lady. And i was telling him you make sure you're you're listening. Audience understands you. Do not want to have this stuff in your bedroom. And she was telling me. Oh yeah thank you so much for the For the advice and then She calls me back about a month later and she said i didn't believe you and she said my husband and i took our cell phones and put them in the room. Now we're now sleeping at night. That's interesting. I'm gonna try that too. Because i have been guilty of plugging my cell phone. You know a couple of feet away from me you know so you can reach for it in case some. You have an urgent call in the morning. You know you don't have to get out of bed but you. You may be right because i have historically not gotten a lot of sleep in my life. I mean especially with all the various time zones. I'm in stuff. I'm going to try that and see if that works. Yeah you should. It is so important for you sleep because it's not just it's not just that you. A pattern of sleep is disrupted turns out your mic conrail. Build a repair at when you sleep so your your body's recovery from the day's events is now hampered because of the influence of the cell phones in the wire and the routers and other stuff within that environment so if you want to recover And have a full sleep. It's far more than just a. I'm i'm not sleeping quite what i should. Your body has a cyclic cycle. that's been disrupted. The circadian rhythm cycle has been disrupted from the from the devices around you. And you're not recovering like you should and everything's wireless these days. I mean your routers are wireless. What you've got your wi fi. You're you're tablets. What is what is more significant to avoid the signal from the router or the signal from a tablet or phone routers transmitted sixty six six watts. They're a higher stronger. They gotta get through the whole house or wherever and so you never want them near your living area. The the reality of it is you can put them in your closet in an era of the house. No one ever lives in and it'll still work and you're pretty safe when you do. What will we see fifteen or twenty years from now with this generation. If we keep up this technology in your opinion there's clear evidence of trends in With body impacts Particularly with young and and my opinion is if we continue on the path we're doing and we continue adding these new technologies like the five g. Stop talking about it. A bit The trending will continue and you'll see more chronic problems as the us users of to adulthood. I had a guest who is talking about five g couple months ago and he was talking about how five g has been introduced in wuhan china and he says is his belief that he thinks five g has something to do with covid nineteen. I certainly don't believe that and let me tell you why. Let me tell you why when you use a cell phone. A laptop router. They all suppress your immune system and so There is a correlation to immune Because of that suppression Not the virus but not the virus bugs bugs and viruses of bacteria and viruses. Love our f- They propagate more so with exposure. Then if they don't have that exposure so you're immune system is being compromised anyway but five g will never create a virus it will only exacerbate the virus and in fact believe it or not the five g everyone talks about is all sub six gig. Its its lowest stuff. It's not the real high stuff the higher stuff up at twenty gigahertz and up to ninety gigahertz. That's where there's been literally no study word. We literally don't know what the impact will be because there is no scientific evidence of research that can give us an indication of what we should expect the human body but most all of five g that's been deployed is all subjects or below six gigahertz which has been around for twenty years. Daniel could these. Ems be contributing to people's anxiety and instability in mental issues. So so. I love that question because remember we. I talked about the breakdown of a cell. We didn't talk too much. But i i mentioned it can cause cancer. And and there's a two percent frontal lobe increase over over the last ten years so that those facts I'm not worried about that stuff. I'm more worried about the biological impacts particularly neurological physiological Suicidal y- yeah. There's an that there's depression and guess what. There's a huge concentration in the schools. For example which i find quite disturbing because i wrote an article about Guns in the classroom years ago. I i There's a colleague Out of The uk dr berry try our. He designed guns for the us to the uk Our f guns. And so he was going around talking about how when you bring You are Our s router at two dot four and five six gigahertz these the signal rates. We used in these guns but we used higher amplitude and we know for sure it impacts how the body functions george So havana The embassy right. Yes think to that. Right when i when i heard that argument that there was some problems down there i. I laughed because i knew exactly what it was that there was there was direct focus of rf signals being focused towards the Embassy in fact. I've actually seen the research as a result of that and i. I have a colleague that was part of the study of that All of that evidence and there was pretty conclusive evidence. No question about it. Well could the rfk. Daniel have been emitting from the embassy with their own equipment. They were being bombarded right. There's a and the reason. I know that is because the amplitude levels have to be higher And it's unlikely that they would generate that kind of thing within the buildings when it must have been an enormous pulse to cause that kind of illness to these people that quickly no question about it. There's no that was a back varies. Dr barry's conclusion. That was his conclusion. What was it being done in your opinion to test to see if it can work or did they really wanna hurt. These people georgia's been around for thirty years berry berry started his worth thirty years ago. He's been around for thirty years. It's been used by the military for thirty years. So what do we do to stop this You know one of the things I talk about is You're you're an octavian destiny you you need to be aware of your environment and you need to make sure that you control the devices that are around you as well as you can as well as you. Because i don't think people are gonna throw them away. I mean i couldn't go through a day without my cell phone with me. Because i get too many messages and texts. You know. i knew my sons weren't gonna throw the laptop away my cell phone away for the very reasons you just had asked people one one night daniel couple years ago to spend one day not taking their phone with them. Just leave it at home and you know just go and do your thing and i would emails from people saying i did it for two hours. I had to go back home and get it. I mean th they they just can't do it. S the tendencies are terrible On unfortunately but it's so critical for us today. That's how we communicate and so we're not throwing them away but you should be aware of your environment as simple as that and Sort of cutting cutting to the chase. I talk about is one b Won't kill you but thousand will more transmitters you having your environment. The more likely it is that there's danger to your personal body in the old days used to have the meter man come to your house and read your electric meter. And then you'd get your bill now. That's all done wirelessly to. That's gotta have an affect it. It does one one of the things that So it is a are f transmitter. It is transmitting just about the same as your cell phone. And so it's another transmitter in your environment. Which good about the meters is that almost always. It's on outta wall. It's typically on a garage wall right and bright. It's not in your. It's not in your basement or anything like right if it's if it's on the jerry of your bedroom your bedroom because or have or have the power company moved the meter. Can you do that exactly. Yeah or moved abedin's the other room but do not stay there particularly if it's on a wall that you bet had headboard jack. Can you tell the power company. I don't want an earth. If meter. Probably not i guess Actually turns out that in many states you can but also in many states. You can interesting now back to five g. for just a moment. What's after five g sixty five five five gene Let's talk a little bit about what five years i refer to sub six gigahertz. Almost everything being deployed is subscribe to stuff. That's been around for a long time Both is the small cell site transmission rates and typically twenty forty eighty gigahertz They can go up to three hundred gigahertz but none of that's happening just yet and so it's those faster rates we know nothing about. And there's those rate said Beaming which are very targeted multi. Beams being transferred Transmitting data to the cell device. Or whatever device receiving it and so that's up to three hundred gigahertz with six g. It actually goes up to nine hundred gigahertz in other words starting to hit the ionized space. Which is the an energy we talked about before. Being able to knock the electron of it. Listen to more coast to coast. Am every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more. It's pretty easy. These days to feel connected. 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Radical Longevity - Best of Coast to Coast AM 6/9/21
"It's been one year since. George floyd murder business. Roundtable stands with millions of americans calling for policing reform. We urge policymakers to continue working together to pass. Bipartisan policing legislation. The time to act as now paid for by business roundtable when the brightest minds at the university of florida come together. Something extraordinary happens. Engineering empowers medicine data scientist rice. Agriculture geology fuel space exploration and artificial intelligence transforms learning and research. The ideas that go on to change the world. They're launching right from here. At the collision of big ideas and massive potential something momentous becomes possible at the university of florida. Ufl dot edu. Now here's a highlight from coast to coast. Am on iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast. George noory with the along with an louise gidel. Her book is called radical longevity. Her websites are linked up at coast to coast. Am dot com. And i always used to have fun in the kitchen. Because i love chemistry as a kid and i always thought of kitchen laboratory and sure enough. You've got a chapter devoted to a kitchen and it should be your laboratory and the cook is the kitchen chemist george so i believe that the attendance and the cookware and even the cooking methods are the most important elements in terms of food. These days perhaps even more important than what you're eating really. Tell me why well because of the way that you're cooking if you're cooking with high heat high and dry heat or if you broil you grill you barbecue you fry you toast you brown. You're creating something called. Advanced education and products are ages. Which are time. They're highly inflammatory and highly connected to every disease known to man so we have to use cooking methods that are low and slow and wetter is better. That's why i tell people to poach slow cooker. And marinate marinate marinate. If they're going to use the grill at all the best marination that i know of is using a little bit of olive oil with some sort of acidic base. Maybe a little bit of wine or a little bit of lemon lime and a little bit of time and garlic rosemary. Works to as as a marinade malicious marinate but that can reduce the age of eighty percent. And the other thing is take a look at what your cooking utensils are made from if they're made from iron aluminum copper. Get rid of them. How come you can look at somebody who is eighty and look at another person who is eighty next to them and you could see remarkable difference in age just by looking at the two of them. Well a lot of it is lifestyle. I don't think your genes your destiny. So a lot of it i think. Eighty percent is lifestyle and twenty percent of it is probably inherited quite frankly but people that live very long age la live long into the age of radical longevity andrea one hundred and twenty those people that have a certain genetic mutation that allows for better cellular repair so you can replicate that pro probably very easily by doing a little restricted eating and intermittent fasting lobster gonna live long hundred twenty. You want to be able to function right. So can you. Well you can if you can if you change your your whole view of aging if you change the way that you view aging biology is not your destiny for heaven sakes so you ten if you do have the right lifestyle of your cooking properly if you're exercising if you have a lot of social activity if you have a purposeful life if you're exercising moderately and you have a wide variety of friends. Couple years ago we were talking about your book zapped about cell phones and things like that has anything changed. We've gone into five g since then. Oh boy you know want to hear about that or do you. Do you reluctantly reluctantly. Well the truth is the today. Our exposure to ems is increased. Probably quilliam times over the past. One hundred years and acquaint. Pilion is what you get when you multiply a million a million five times so the reality is at five. G is making the radiation exposure. Even worse it's kind of like wi fi on steroids. Four g use a maximum of about five gigahertz frequency but five g uses between twenty four and ninety gigahertz frequency. So you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that. Higher frequencies are dramatically more potent and more dangerous so all this non ionizing radiation create sleep problems fatigue cancer depression back pain. Digestive disturbances cataracts chronic inflammation and. What have i forgotten. How in memory loss. So yes there is a problem. What do you say about people who sleep with their phones in their bed. You gotta keep your phone electric's out of the bed. You gotta keep the router out of your room if you can because it's like a mini cell phone towers so you have to discharge at night. That's what i tell everybody. And if you don't if you don't you're suffering from what we call calcium regulation because a lot of the cell phone radiation and non. I radio station starts to release calcium from the cells and it changes the way calcium ions bind to the services of membrane and since calcium ions or the glue that holds together cell membranes that are only two molecules. The molecules in membranes are likely to weaken and tear allowing toxin stature and contents fill out. So my point being is that you just regulate the calcium you're affecting your magnesium which is natural calcium blocker you devote a chapter to parasites how bad are they. Oh that's another thing. The parasites are extremely immunosuppressive. So anybody that has an auto immune issue has to clean up their parasites. Now where do they come from. They come from food. They come from sushi. They've come from people that eating a lot of fish that are under cook. They can even come from salads that aren't washed properly they come from water they can come from daycare centers. They can come from our pets unfortunately interesting. How do you get rid of him. You cleanse you can do cleanse with a little some Diatomaceous earth put it in your smoothie or you can do the cleanse that i talk about radical longevity. It's a program. I developed over forty years ago. Because i think that over eighty percent of people that are truly sick. Have more parasites. Harboring in their systems are used to remember as kids. My parents talking about appearance and kids and pin worms. Yeah it's kind of so. I don't want to really dwell on it but i got to ask you. Is that still a problem today. The problem that's not being diagnosed half those kids out there that are hyperactive or that. Have adhd and all kinds of pandas and pans. All these newfangled diseases a really have a lot of tapeworms and pin worms in their system. That's where they get them because their eating habits and because our immune system is getting so weak because there's so many toxins in the environment just in a few eggs you mean and then they just hatch. Well they're they're playing in the playing in the sandbox where dog or cat could've defecated. So yes there problems interesting. It's kind of sick is not but the truth is you can get rid of them pretty easily. I mean they're over the counter medications. That people can use their natural enzymes. And there's this pisces mixture that you can use as well to get rid of pin worms. So it's not so difficult and the kids behavior will change overnight and louise gilman with us. Our book radical longevity. We're gonna take calls with her next hour where you can ask a question to or share a story as well you think. The skin protecting the skin is vital. Tell me about that well. It's the largest organism body and people that are that are very concerned about aging. Don't want any sagging dragging or bagging tissues. So that's where collagen comes into play. George but i don't believe in a lot of the conventional nutritional aspects of getting exogenous college and i think he should build up your college and with more vitamin c pro leinen lycene. Lysine is absolutely the most important amino acid for good collagen strong hair and strong nails. It can also help prevent cancer from metastasized through the body edgar. Casey used to write to remember him. The american prophet. Oh yes he would write that to prevent not cure big difference but to prevent cancer e three raw almonds a day. Yes and that we take the apricot seeds. It has a little bit of the same thing. Yes three day keeps nasties away so to speak. Yes indeed you agree with that. I do yes there. There are a lot of people that have cured themselves with cancer using natural yes. I've had to go south of the border for the treatment but they've had remarkable results interesting. I've been taking nominees for about six years now three day. Well it'll keep you young and spry. It's what's what's in it. That doesn't it's got a little bit of bitter in it which is very anti parasitic anticancer. Interesting take what about heavy metals and minerals. What do you think about them now. Aluminum get counseling. I'm losing your voice. No aluminum and aluminum foil no alumina. What what about minerals the most important things about minerals. You have to keep your house copper free which has been connected to alzheimer's disease as well as iron free because that is an anti aging trigger so both copper and iron or primary aging triggers. That can make you all before your time. Dramatically connected to alzheimer's what would you say is one of the most dramatic things you could tell us about your health. I think one of the most dramatic things. I can say that you should be sleeping eight to ten hours a night to make sure that your adult stem cells are well nourished and well said that's easier said than done. Are you with me. i'm here. Yes i'm losing your voice. I know your voice going. My voice is because what's worth worth using is worth overusing. Yes i've been speaking all day guys. You got another hour to go any. I'll be terrific. I'm good okay. Keep a little water by you. Got more than a little water. All right cool all right. Well if you look at all the things that we've talked about so far what would you say would be the first thing you would do in changing. Somebody's perception a beijing. The first thing i would do is to change their perception of aging letting them know that. There's a possibility that there's a vision of aging into vitality resilience health gratitude. That all of it is very possible. We have to look at the people that have lived long. Just copy. they're good habits. And if you do. Some of them will be very front about their habits. Won't they some of them. Will some of them will get by good genes so so it depends upon the intention of the individual. Yes but i think it's very important for people to have the intention because ten because attention goes we're intention flows important. Is it to protect the brain. Keep it thinking. It's the most important oregon george. And what i learned from radical long. Chevy's there's actually a mineral. I call the cinderella mineral. They can reverse the alzheimer's. And i bet you couldn't guess what that is. Be lithium really well and they give you lithium as a drug but you can get it. As a supplement well this is micro doses of lithium. these are small small amounts of lithium authoritate-. it's listening. more tate. And i have spoken with many. Many doctors. anti-aging functional medicine doctors that have actually around their alzheimer's using twenty milligrams of lithium a day. Interesting have you seen this report that. The fda has approved a new alzheimer's drug. Yeah it's exceedingly expensive fifty six thousand dollars a year for the treatment some lithium my god fifty six and it's not really it's it's not really something they've studied they haven't studied the results they just approved it and we don't know the side effects either. No why would they do something like that. Because it's the fda because there's no money in vitamins and minerals so somebody's pressuring them for the cash Unfortunately sometimes big farmers insurance company pick up a fifty six thousand dollars a year drug drug usage doubt that. I doubt that very much. I think so too. I think it's it's it's a mess. So you've got this powerful plan to sharpen your brain strengthen your body reverse these symptoms of aging. What's the first thing you try to fix the brain. The first thing that seems to be most important for people to fix the brain. And that's where getting the copper pipes out of the house getting a water filtration system. That blocks copper is very important and looking at all your vitamins and minerals. And i know you talk a lot about this on your show but making sure that their copper and iron free because those are two triggering agents for alzheimer's parkinson's and other brain each division. The blood does need iron resident with the blood. Needs are and when you're growing but by the age of eighteen. You start stockpiling mine. He's got haemochromatosis very common very much iron in his system. I had a client. That just wasn't diagnosed with macron matosas and having that diagnosis in reading the book about the ferret and levels actually saved his life. Yes they do for donate blood. That's right he's got to let blood out on a regular basis. But everybody should do that. George regardless of fema chroma toes on a yearly basis. You and helping the person you're owning donating to. Yes opposite help you because you're getting rid of the excess iron which is connected to heart disease men and women and also liver problems and brain problems you gotta get rid of the extra iron. There's no way of getting rid of it unless you let it out with donation wine. A little bit of wind goes a long way. Yes wine black tea and even quercetin that magnificent antioxidant. Your body's like a fine tuned machine isn't it should be fine tuned machine. The older you get the final. You have to tune it you know. It's not easy to grow older with grayson resilience. It may not be easy. But it's well worth it. Why do so many people have like knee surgeries knee replacements replacements shoulder replacements what happens to these bones where you have to replace these body parts. There's a lack of collagen is a lack of cosa means. Sulfate a lack of nourishing fluids in the in the joints. And i think there's also a lack of nutrition and there's too much of these nights as in the calcification for the tomatoes potatoes and eggplant but people find that they can some people find not everybody that they can actually not have the surgery scheduled if they go off nights as for three months it was the most important thing that was my moment in the book. How bad is sugar. Sugar is the bad thing. That's not fat sugar which is a precursor all kinds of diseases sugar. Also we'll see cancer so we'd have to do without sugar maybe wanted to today is probably the most important way to go with that. What would you say is the worst food to ingest. Kyle really. yeah 'cause they're quite a few studies that connect with alzheimer's canola oil. Yeah that's good to know. That's why you've gotta get. And i don't use in any way but it's still good to know a little coconut oil. The little Avocado oil if it's pure avocado oil olive oil. Of course is the best and a little bit of hempseed oil and pen right. Where do we get your book radical longevity radical long jet if people wanna go to radical on jeopardy dotcom get three downloads and six gifts. Really we can pick up the entire book. Where though at amazon amazon bookstores. ya all bookstores and amazon. Yes that's what are you working on. Next i'm working on a book on my Rejuvenation and regeneration after writing radical on. Javadi have you always been interested in health even since you were a little girl. Always interested because i had a grandmother that i'm named after the died of a mysterious illness and i couldn't figure out why they didn't know why she died at the age of forty two. That's young that's young today. it's young then it's young. It's enlightened self interest. That's why we get involved with everything georgia's enlightened self interest. You know it's kind of funny. I'll pick my bumper music for the show. And i look at them and then i'll go onto wicky and read a little bit about who they are and what they did even though i knew who they are. But it's amazing. How many people have passed on. I believe that's why you would. You can understand. And i'm just a little bit older than you. That aging is a privilege so we have to regard. It was respect honor and reverence. Listen to more coast to coast. Am every weeknight at one am eastern and go to coast to coast am dot com for more when the brightest minds at the university of florida. 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193: How to Protect Your Family From the Rise of 5G & Other EMFs
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And he has a particular focus on the effect of exposure from mobile devices, such as laptops, tablets, and cellphones. I-I those things that are kissed her touching all the time, and his concern regarding the health impact of EMS grew from over thirty years of engineering experience in the telecommunications industry. He was on the frontlines. He owed a variety of leadership and executive positions in several large companies that were kind of advancing technology here. And he's the co, author of the recent bestseller radiation nation, the fallout of modern technology. So I cannot wait to jump in. He's a wealth of knowledge. Daniel, welcome. And thanks for being here. Thanks so much for inviting me. I appreciate it. And I'm excited about chatting with you today about the subject. I'll match me too, and I get so many questions that I'm sure you must as well. And I want to start with the big one which is five g. there's been a lot of buzz about this. This is a new thing. It's becoming very widespread. So let's start with the big one that the elephant in the room. Can you explain what five g. is white such a big deal? Yeah. Yeah. So by Steph initiative, it's the fifth g well, it's the fifth generation as what it is. There's actually been four before that when cell phones became available, you know twenty thirty years ago or even further that it was all analog. And then all of a sudden it shifted to a digital signal as an analog signal. It was always a constant load in the marketplace to your body as a travel with a digital signal. It's opposing data content that travels within the signal. So with g. one we started to code digital signals and we got better at it. G two, we got even better at three and four and at four, for example, it's about two gigahertz. That is it. It's fairly fast and it as one data stream within the. Signal and you can pass maybe ten megabits easily on the content of as a content load. So you can watch TV. You can watch media content and is doesn't it's not jittery clean. Well, five g. is not two gigahertz. It can be up to ninety gigahertz. That means it can be forty five times faster. That's one of the ways they're putting more information across the airwaves is by going that much faster in the speed. They also are adding what they call me MO multiple in multiple out. That means there's not just one day to signal there, multiple data signals within it. And so will we knew there was potential concerns about up devoid g with digital signal. Bills. This all of a sudden becoming the lots and lots of interest on five g. because now you can go that much faster and you can have multiple data stream joining inside and that potentially can be harmful in some stinking and others in the service providers community think it's the best thing slice since sliced bread. That makes sense. And it's tough. I get that. It's a tough issue because obviously there many positives to technology that many of us enjoy that are convenient and we don't want to give up our laptops or phones or the ability to watch the on either of those devices. I thought this is gonna be a big thing that we do need to address during this generation. Because like you said, this is a, it's getting exponentially faster. It's not just that like two d. where three g with two gigahertz and three GS three gigahertz. This is increasing exponential rate as technology duds, and there's not a likelihood that it's going to slow down or go away. So this is something important. I love. For you to expound on before. I know we touched on this a little bit in your first episode that we did together, but can you explain a little more in depth what EMS are and how they might impact the body? Because I know there's a lot of doubt out there who say, oh, it's non ionizing radiation. Therefore it's safe. And I know that you also have a background in research to have some really valuable insight on on this. Can you delve into that? I sure can. So you are correct with we're taking a signal that's been around two gigahertz and we're multiplying it by forty five to potentially ninety gigahertz. Well, you just mentioned to me. I Nizami deation that's like x rays, gamma rays, things like that. They start becoming. I Nizam that is, you can get hit by this signal. It takes the electron and knocks it out of its orbit and charges that electron. And it's now a trod showman. That's why they call it. I nine's while xrays under those circumstances, exposures that are long or too long cause cancer. They caught very serious problems to the body when exposed at long durations of time. So why is that important? We ninety Jesus one third of a of the starting point from two ionizing radiation it even though it's non ein is it's now increasing its power to knock and distrupt the cells. And so all of a sudden we, we would getting pretty clear with science in research talking about the dangers. Of the body went from these exposures. Now, there's a real concern because, well, what happens as you start approaching the I night space? Is it worse? And as you remember Katie, this is a stress this isn't and in terms of a cell Tia body, it's anoxia date of stress that that is. It really bothers the membrane to the extent where it stresses the bodies cell, and then this penetration of that cell unto were circumstance, worship, circumstances, which causes mutated cells in DNA damage. So what do you think forty five more times faster? What is that impact? We, honestly, we actually don't know this no research in that space that says is dangerous, Ana. And so from us, appoint of you are right, went up going out cell phones away anytime. I'm soon you're not set Eunice getting radio WI fi that you use to communicate within your home. And so they're going to be more and more prevalent and the we, we are going into a space where it's we know less less about it. He exactly and I think that's the important distinction is like you said, there's not research on this and they're certainly not enough research on this. It's so new. It's something our grandparents didn't face much less our parents at our ages or certainly at our children's ages. And so it's that's always been my caution when I hear people say like, oh, it's non ionizing radiation, so it's completely safe. No, that just means we know that I advising radiation is has an immediate in potential danger that we can document that does not mean that not ionizing radiation is safe. It just means we haven't studied it and we don't have long term data to know what the effects are. And I think that's a really important distinction because it's easy to fall into that trap of just thinking, oh, we can't see it. It safe, it's fine. And just think back. Those of us listening, how many of us had a an iphone ipad or tablet at the ages that our children are none of us, they didn't exist. I didn't get a cellphone until almost college, and so in a very short period of time, less than one generation, we have seen a complete change in the electrical environment that were exposed to on a daily basis, and we don't know what that's going to do to our over the long term to ourselves. You mentioned oxidation to our Maya Conrad there. So many levels here and there's books like the body electric and others that really delve into the body being an electrical organism. And if we understand that it's only logical to understand that electrical impulses outside of can affect the internal environment of our body, but would you agree with that? Am I getting that Saddam Saddam, right? Accurate some real events. In other words, it's only been recently introduced by Minnesota toxin. So what does that really mean to us that Kate, you remember recently, there was all that was banned in the US. I forget the name. Of it wasn't the trans fats, trans fats. So so his the story about transports over forty five years ago, there was this lonely. Biochemist who said it's not the exits killing you is not the stakes, you're eating. It's the, it's the transfats that a the, that a helping to preserve the food, making it easier to spread the butter, the stuff we cook in that stuff is what is killing us, and it took that whole forty five years or so for it to be banned. And so here we had an environmental problem that was known 'em radically some forty five years ago, and all of a sudden it's been banned. Well, that's what happens with when we introduce stuff in our environment. We really the the lady who created xrays died of extra poisoning, you know is so like even the inventors of the technologies don't fully understand the. Impacts of of the technologies they offer us. So yes, you're correct. We only know more and more with time, but I've gotta tell you this been lots of recent study work in the US government and in in Europe about reinforcing on nine ising emission. That is a x Ray us with me a radio frequency Ray EMF. There's no question whatsoever. It impacts the cell we know about the date of stress to the cell, but we also know that it is goes far beyond that and it does end will create DNA damaging and mutated cells. So we getting sufficient in my opinion more than sufficient evidence says the stuff we should be worried about. We should be careful about how we deal with it in environment. Not that you can. Can't use your cell phone, but you gotta know that your router may be too close you when you working on your bench, he your cell phone should be put away when you're not using. So these kinds of things we need to be more and more aware of and we're learning for sure this enough evidence. Now, in my opinion that says, we really do need to be cautious about this stuff. I agree. I'm hundred percent there with you, and I think that the unhealthy facet as a really applicable when here because we now at least have banned transfats. We know those were bad. But in that same time, there was, you know, the vegetable oils in the low fat craze in the we need to avoid, like you said, eggs and steak and saturated fats. And now we have leading health experts saying that that that low fat vegetable oil thing was one of the most dangerous health experiments of our time, and that we're gonna pay the price of this for generations, but were just now starting to understand that half of entry later. And so now we look at the IMF issue and. Got people like that. That one man back then who are saying EMS are gonna be the smoking of our generation. This is a big deal. We don't understand what it's doing to the body, and by the time we figure it out. It may be too late because if it's acting ourselves, if it's beckoning reproduction, then it causes obviously long, long term side effects, especially for our children. So I'm curious, are children more susceptible than adults? EMF's. And if so, why. There is a federal standard that defines the maximum Powell cell phone. It was created thirty five years ago and the model that they used to create that standard was six foot male. And in that model, they looked at the thermal impact to the skull from a cell phone radiating into the skull. And what I mean by thermal is that the standard had to make sure that the area around the cellphone couldn't increase by two degrees and it couldn't penetrate the mail by one inch. So that's how they created the strength of a signal for a cell phone. But as you just pointed out our children at six years old, using a cell phone, that signal goes completely threw their head and it's a thermal transmission. In other words, it heats all the elements. It hits as it passes through the head. The body of child is very mature and so it's, it doesn't have the same. Response. It almost can absorb the Cigna more so than let penetration only be one inch. So that kind of exposure at a very early age, we really don't know the impact of that. It's been will know twenty years from now what the impact is. And unfortunately, all indications are we know that that kind of exposure, and if it's long-term exposure can be very dangerous to the body. Exactly. So what other forms of 'em after exposed to daily basis that we talked about five g. and cell phones? Tablets, that's definitely a major source and one that I would say as parents kids don't need unless your child is driving, they do not need to be on a cell phone. They just actually don't. But what are some of the other places in daily life that might be encountering EMF's maybe not even realize it Katie. If you don't mind like to go back to five gene, just a little bit to help you better understand why there's as much concern in the science communities there is, and then. Maybe then we can chat about the daily exposures Athalie let's do it. Okay, good. So member, I mentioned how those now to digital signals data in a five g. signal, yeah, think of it this way. If I take a ten thousand pounds pieces steel and I put it against the piece of concrete and I keep it, they're constantly it won't break the concrete. And so that is an analogy of what was the analog signal Pacelle when we go to five g. we're gonna have to streams of data content so we're gonna have to on off on off. So should we be worried? Well, we began seeing all the problems with the impacts to the body from cell phones in all the other devices that produce this because they went from. Analog to digital when they went to digital a became anonymous signal to a cell, what does that mean? It's Jack Cama that's hitting the cell which can fracture the cell membrane easier than a constant load as an analog signal do. Now we're going to have double jackhammers hitting the cell. So that's why the science communities really getting more and more concerned that. In fact, the new technology brings so many more so many more benefits to us in communications amongst all of us in the content we wanna live with, but it also does have a much more different characteristic. Now I mentioned thermal, but most of the stuff I've talked about is not dermal. It's biological. When I talk about a mutated cell, that's a biological impact is not a thermal impact. It could be, but it's but more often than not, it's a biological impact. So if. If you have a child using a cell phone, six years old and they doing perfectly fine at six years old. That would mean it seems that everything's okay. But with biological impacts, it takes years, ten years, fifteen years for the impact to be felt on those kinds of exposures. So it's a biological concern. We have more so even than the thermal concern. And remember Katie went when you use a a microwave oven, it's around two dot three gigahertz. And I talked about cellphones at about two gigahertz. Well, another words, the RF signal let go magnetic radiation talking about is virtually the same frequency range as Michael way and in a microwave. When you have a you on you, turn it on, it hates. Up the water between the cells cells awfully and cook the meat. Well, in a microcosm of of that to your head with a cell phone, it's just a mini microwave just much much less power, but make sure you understand there's a biological impact of exposure, and that makes sense. And I think it's also important to highlight that this for many people is constant exposure, whereas microwaves can be certainly very problematic. But most of us aren't running them twenty four hours a day. They're used very frequently for only small amounts of time, whereas especially more talking about kids, they're exposed to wifi signals and sell signals and cellphone than I had almost twenty four hours a day if not twenty four hours a day and two, this is a constant exposure. So it's one of those things that you have to look at differently. So if the body like we can handle small amounts of stress or small amounts of toxic city, because our bodies are Bor made to be able to handle that, we can't handle it all day every day. It's like if you ingest tiny amounts of arsenic from chicken or rice, you're gonna be fine because your body can deal with it. If the one time thing, if you're doing that all day every day, eventually you are going to see a problem and it may not be that day. It may not be that week, but eventually your body's going to have a problem. And so that's an important distinction. Like you said to look at what EMF's is it's a constant exposure. We don't fully understand it does have a biological impact and essentially we're studying that by default on our children right now because we don't have long term data at our kids are constantly exposed right. Right. In fact, I think that point is very, very important. You just made these are toxins. The body reacts to a toxin and believe it or not exposed to arsenic for one second will not kill you. If you eat arsenic over a year, you will die. So it really depends on the duration of expert, the level of exposure and duration of exposure. So you really have to think about it as a toxin. And I don't remember, I don't recall if you and I chatted about this last time Katie. But you know, when I when I think about the that toxin in the room, I actually think of bees in the room. One be can won't bother you. A thousand bees will and thinking of all the transmit is in your room that could be potentially equivalent to a abate in your cell phone alone. You have potentially a bluetooth transmitted a WI fi transmitter and a cellphone, transmit three transmitters in that one cell phone and sitting right next to you, and you could have the router. A foot away from you on the other side of you and all of a sudden you're getting more and more more Bs and the more and more concentration of these there are in that room. The more more likely it is that that constant load boot becomes more and more problematic to you. So you always wanna think about how do I reduce the bees in the room. That's another good analogy. And I know that I hear from people all the time that say, you know, it's anti-science to question this and say that EMF's are harmful, and I think there's actually a lot of compelling evidence that they not only can't be but are harmful. But I would say this is my challenge to anyone coming from that perspective because I do think that conversation helps all of us to move this topic forward. I think it's important to hear disagreement from both sides of the issue. I'm not trying to exclude that at all, but my challenge would be look at the actual data look at the data from the last fifty years from how much health outcomes are changing and the upward curve of everything from cardiovascular disease to autoimmune disease, too. Cancers and try to explain it in any other way. Besides, I think EMF's are not the answer, but one of the many answers explain it to me statistically or mathematically without being able to look at these things because it's not it doesn't make sense. Statistically does not make sense that within one generation, we are seeing such a rapid rise of all of these problems across the board because food alone can't explain that one lifestyle factor alone can't explain that. And one thing that has drastically changed during that time as our exposure to these EMS. And I would say, like, let's shift the burden of proof if they're supposed to be safe. Show me the studies that show that they're actually safe over the long term because I've looked and they don't exist. We'll actually really good point. We highlighted a moment ago, recent studies, the national toxic program that a twenty five million dollars studied the federal government, and they concluded the the study in the study, a huge study with a significant analysis of the d.. Details to ensure the study accuracy that there is no question whatsoever. That under certain exposure levels, there was front, the low cancer and heart cancer that was associated with those exposures now is reinforced by Italian study last year, and it actually went went step further and it was actually larger than the one in the US and they confirmed their findings. So you can argue that there's a debate going on, but there's clearly more and more evidence, and the mandate evidence is overwhelmingly proving that is something that you really should consider very important in your life to avoid if began these, these stresses that didn't exist. When I grew up no question whatsoever. Your children will grow up with in their lives every day. I talked about bees in the. Room all when I go and now give you another car elated example of what actually could look like when I talk about four g technologies that those are the common bees in the room. When I talk about five g. that's the be the killer becoming from from Mexico coming into your room. So it's it's it's more dangerous than the current set of bees that you have in your mind. That's a good point. So I think at our first episode which I'll make sure we link in the show notes, people can start with that one. We talked about shielding and things you can do in your home to help reduce exposure. But we weren't really talking about five g. at that point because this is something that's new on the scene. So I'm really curious before we move on from five g. is it possible to shield from five g. and are there any special considerations we need to know about for that? There are certain characteristics of by g that differ from everything previous. When you and I had a chance to talk awhile ago, we, we talked about a cell phone, having the capacity to go close to five miles and connect to a Celtel. That's a failure long distance. But when you start increasing the speeds of the signal to get all the content in that signal that they're intending to have those towels now are blocks away every other block. They'll be a transmitter and receivers for these five Jade. So so all of a sudden they're going to be so many more those in our environment, and essentially it's providing services that we already have. So you wanna think about that. You know you talking about caution. If you have a service provided that says, hey, I'm gonna give you a five g. route so you don't need. No. So we can connect all your devices in have high broadband service. You actually don't need it. You know, I don't know. I watched TV on my cellphone phone. It's a fine. There's enough bandwidth to give me the things I need. So yes, you have to start thinking about how do you want to manage the technologies in your virement MO, the things that shield the like forty three, gee, do those same materials also shield five effectively actually sort of technical thing. They referred to the shielding of that stuff with permeability in mind. So probably ability says, how much can I absorb and there are some materials that can absorb a little bit and then others that do it a lot. So yes, there are some technologies that actually can be used as shielding for for these next generation technologies. Fortunately for for those who want us to use something good to know. Okay. So let's go back to the previous havoc we're about to circle into which is just kind of give us a roundup of other ways that were potentially exposed to EMS on a daily basis, and we may not even realize it. Let's talk about some rules. 'cause we've danced around several rules up to this point and time time of exposure. And the distance of that exposure are pretty important components. Another words, if you're exposed to a cell phone for five seconds and you hang up on your mother because you don't wanna talk to her anymore. Virtually, there is no concern whatsoever. Matt exposure. If you call her back and you talk for five hours and making your politics hanging up on her, all of a sudden that time duration is now much much longer, and that's when there's more more. Concern of potential harm. So the distance from that, if you went to take that same phone call and you put it in your hand and you speak Afon and you use it for five hours. There's no does much. Let stain into your body than there was when you had to head. So you can make choices about where you put technology. His good example, you'll wifi never have you wifi new bedroom, right? You know that, but why do you have the router on at night if you don't need it? So you should have time on your out. So you turn that be off when you're not using it and it minimizes the m. f. exposures within your environment. If you're not using the wifi and the bluetooth components of his cell phone, why do you have them on Trinamul? You don't need them if you are, you have. PC or a laptop. I don't use anything other than my Ethan another words. I use a wire the physical wire that goes to might all devices I can, and I limited those devices from transmitting into the room so time and duration on very important to manage and the cost. The third thing is if you're going to use stuff very closely, so you may want to consider finding ways of preventing those signals from touching you shielding those signals. By the way I needed to mention that I forgot before Katie ju Juno went only like four or five years ago. Fifteen percent of the population was elected hypersensitive. Another words, if you pick up your cell phone, you hand would tingle you would put it to your head. Your eyes would hurt. Maybe you got ahead. Headache, fifteen percent were known to be electomagnetic hypersensitive of that eighty percent will women. So we know for sure that for some reason, women get more -ffected them into and we still don't know why this some neurological potential reasons why. But we often don't have enough science tunder stand fully while today. It's all the twenty percent. So we know it's increasing. Is it because of the exposures in the environment? We can't speculate. We can definitely state that there's a clear increase in that hypersensitivity and I don't know if you know people who have that, some have it priests of your and I can't even go out there front door and so bad. So we, we know that the electromagnetic component of that environment we live in is actually influencing the. The the hardship of that environment through hypersensitivity to technologies. He accidentally actually had the opportunity last year to study at a biological medicine clinic and Switzerland, and to get some continuing education and some of the patients, the long term patients, there are sensitive to what they call in Europe electrosmog, which essentially is EMS and these patients can't leave because even exposure from ground wires or electrical wires, or certainly wifi and cell phone. Couple of them have grandmas seizures from exposure. Oh, yeah. Oh yeah, it's very serious. And actually I'm working with a team of a within the medical community trying to help understand this phenomenon better because we really have to find a way of not just of waiting it, but how can you recover from exposures and live normalize? Because some of these this, there was a TV show something about soul. It was. He was an attorney. It was a can't remember from where it was from, but used to put a aluminum always had before when he went outside. It was because of the EHS. He really was very, very sensitive and odd known. Actually many people who who have that same kind of extreme case. And as you get older, by the way, if it's very little now it gets worse and worse over time show managing the exposure time now is pretty important. Before it gets any worse for you. But by the way that you'll you'd be interested in this, this thick, like ninety nine point, nine percent of anybody who's electric hyper-sensitive a multiple chemically sensitive to it's interesting. 'cause we were talking about toxins, Cox toxins in our environment. So the body reacting in the same way. So what do you see some of the most important steps that we can take? Like you said, if it's a minor problem now it's only going to get worse still, especially as parents, what are some of the most important steps we can take, especially regarding our children in this, make sure that their their environment particularly sleeping being byrant, do not have any transmitting sources within, like, for example, if you have a router on the outside of your bedroom of the trial, move the router to some far distant place in the house, not even remotely close to a child sleeps because those constant exposures there. Are these devices that allow you to monitor children if you're going to choose to you them, do not have them close to the kids, put them at the very far into the room as far away as you can in that and that environment minimize the amount of electronics. You mentioned something before about ground Leka Mak radiation. You'll wires in your your house, generate extreme low frequency stuff that actually bought this people and can really bother people a lot. So if you're going to have a child on a wall, make sure there's no clocks plugged into the wall, creating current in the room. That's that's creating that emission. So minimize the number of bees in that room and those things are really important. Other things are you wanna make sure that if you you, children are going to be using devices minimize the time in which they use it. Time and duration as I spoke before and the distance or really sort of employment. So by minimizing to some extent, not preventing him from using by minimizing it, you actually improve the likelihood of less impact to the child. And so you wanna be always thinking about if you're going to give it to a trial full longtime, really think about shielding like many people do. They wanna use it technology and they wanna use it next to them. So there are ways you can shield yourself to minimize exposure. You can't do enough to minimize that exposure to children. There's just the, they're, they're just too susceptible the more so than adults are and believe it or not. If you were calling me and saying, I'm I'm lexical hypersensitive. What should I do every time I have to use a computer, I would say, well, take your laptop, push it. Barkor at least two feet away from you and get a large screen that you can see from a distance and put this between you and self and have add it. You've minimize the exposure. In fact, let's talk a little bit what that means when when you have a cell phone directly to a head or you have a laptop directly on your lap, a hundred percent of that signals hitting you. That's the worst exposure you can have when you move it. One foot eighty percent of that danger to the cell is gone. By off what ninety eight percent. So if you have devices in your house at half, the have keep them away from you giving away from children. Simple mechanics like that actually goes a long way to minimize the potential dangers. If you have a as I said around and you have it and you want all the whole family to use, it is no reasoning doesn't. It can't be in the garage that penetrates walls. And by the time it gets into the house, it's a minimal danger to the family. As opposed to putting it in the middle of the living room when everyone's sitting around to the route. So simple kind of changes within your environment really can go a long way to minimize those potential dangers to your body. And I think that helps us keep it in perspective to that, even he said a little bit of distance can make a big difference. It's not that we have to go hide in a cave. It's that we need to be smart about these things. And I know that for the naysayers, I will say, as well. Just consider things in a logical sense if we make conscious effort to avoid these maps apps and then later find out there totally safe, which I don't think it's going to happen then you, you haven't lost anything. Whereas if we don't make conscious effort to avoid them and knowing find out in twenty years that are causing cancer or other problems, you've lost a lot. So I feel like this is one of those things that even if you don't think they're solid research there, which I actually do. But if someone is listening doesn't, it's still worth potentially looking into and shielding because it doesn't take that much effort necessarily, and it can make a big difference. And I know there's things. Like a study that came out a couple years ago that showed that seven days of camping, completely reset, circadian rhythm, and reduced inflammation in the body. And there's a lot of theories as to why. But one thing is, we don't have typically when we go camping, routers, wifi, and TV's in the tent. So they're these people were having a break from exposure to EMF even just one week they saw a drastic difference. So my perspective as a mom is I want we know there's positive benefits. We know nature has positive benefit. So a wanna spend time out nature whenever possible. But be we want to create a home environment that to the most degrade were able is reducing inflammation and mimicking that natural environment to whatever degree we can. So in our house, that means things like we put devices in airplane mode unless they need to be on. For some reason in my kids around device, it isn't airplane mode period unless they're talking to relative on a phone, and then it's on speakerphone or far away from them. And same thing with immense. Mentioned the wifi router. Ours is not near anyone's bedroom. It's not near anyone's workspace, and it is on a timer that goes off at night because you're not using it when you're sleeping anyway. So why have it on that doesn't take really any extra effort in its ten dollar timer from Amazon. It's not that difficult. Another thing I recently founded a conference is called an EMS kill switch because you mentioned the current in the walls to this thing actually can be added onto your circuit breaker box for your house. And it has switches because those breakers, which are not meant to go on and off all the time. They're not like light switch, and it has add-ons which is let you turn off power to non-essential parts of your house at night. So you can actually take a break from all that exposures. You can keep your air conditioning refrigerator on, but turn off the WI fi and the non essential wiring in the walls. So that's been a cool way that we can use technology in the smart way and kind of reduce our exposure while we're sleeping. And I'm curious if you have any other tips that you'd recommend that I've missed. No, actually. As you would just playing out anywhere this current flow. There is an exposure and emissions in the wall. When you'll have a light on when you have a radio playing anytime this current flow. So the kinds of suggestions you just had a really sort of simple things doesn't cost us much even if you don't believe in it, take cautionary measures. It doesn't cost much and for a little bit of effort, there's a lot of benefit potentially. Certainly for those of us in the research side of the business, there's not much debate. It's the service provider's side that this debate there was another thing you mentioned actually that triggered Kalian rhythm. When when you look at a screen of a electron device, there's a spectrum of electromagnetic radiation in. The light spectrum and believe it or not. Most of that spectrums, fine. But at night when you're looking at a screen, it's not just potentially being hitting retina, but at scoring around with the so canyon rhythm of your body. And so the other thing you may want to think about shielding is the Lucon Ponant are that electromagnetic radiation, and there are available kinds of technologies around that does she'll the blue and it's more and more growing in. It's important. I'm working with opthamologist and other experts in the in the field that on these subjects. And we're finding that it's not just the one simple thing. You worry about impacting Lexa cave in rhythm. As you know, it's a bunch of stuff that related to shock ABM or them that you worried about and. So taking precautionary measure about the exposes you have from the blue light is something you really should also consider by shielding as well? Exactly. And that's another point on the camping study. People were also not exposed artificial lighting for seven days within seven days. They had measurable lab, measurable drastic differences in their circadian rhythm and their hormones. Because from like my side in the health nutrition, background melatonin is the hormone that signals sleep at also is connected to everything from cortisol to fight him indeed, too proper estrogen testosterone for just own production. All of that when your melatonin as messed up, you are going to be potentially at risk for a lot of health struggles. And I've seen data showing the even like you said, a little bit of exposure to blue light at night, not even just on the retina, but even on the body at night can cause sleep problems. And then this cascade of insulin issues and hormone issues and hormone imbalance. It's just everything is so connected. So I think that's another really important. Point as well. And another thing that easy enough to avoid in my opinion, I call me fashioned. I know I am, but kids don't need to be looking at screens and they certainly don't need to be looking at screens after dark to me, that's a great time family time and turned on the lights and spend time in community versus just watching TV all the time. Not only that. I don't think that I don't know if I mentioned this to last time we had a chance to chat, but I have a colleague Dr Hansen in Sweden. We talked a little bit not much, of course about accident of stress to the cell. I was not worried about as much as the oxidative stress as the systems impact to the body. Why can't you sleep at night when you have a clock one foot away from you or cell phone? One foot away. Me ahead. It's because the screwing around with melatonin process, the creation of the militant appear to fall asleep. So it's it's not just a sell your about as you just pointing out. It's so many, many other things that are impacted in the body and Dr Ali recently in his research down, it's not only an accident of stress and that it impacts the parts of the body, but the way they do it is it suppresses im-. Mhm system. So when you expose Arp signal, this is precious of immune system. Thus the potential argument about why is there an increase in electoral hypersensitivity is because our bodies are reacting to this, and I'm you system is becoming less and less capable of of withstanding exposures. So as you pointed out, the better you minimize exposures, most likely the better off you are long-term. He ags good to know. This episode is sponsored by thrive market. This is my go to place for real food online. The concept is simple drive is just like an online Costco meets whole foods for non-perishables. They offer a lot of foods at a steep discount, so you can get things at wholesale prices with membership. 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So they have a lot more time for each person and a lot more time for you. So check them out and learn more at steady m d dot com forward slash w. m. again, that's s. t. a. d. y. MD dot com. Forward slash w. m.. Wanna make sure that we don't neglect talk about shielding devices because I get asked this, especially by parents a lot. And I personally use a shield shielding case on my phone and on my laptop. And I know that you saw this is a big problem and created products to fill that need because you realized the trajectory of what we're seeing. But I'd love if you could speak a little bit to how we can responsible you shielding technology on things like our phones and our tablets and our laptops and how that technology works. Actually, you don't maybe. Seven years ago is so my sons will using laptops on their laps and my wife turns around says, I want grandchildren, and she had this intuition that the exposure to the the emissions from a laptop or dangerous to the sperm of the male and I, I can't be true. Well, I did some research and of course immediately found out it was true. In fact, twenty five percent of the male sperm is immobile after three or four hours of exposure. So it became clear to me that there was evidence that suggested that there may be a need for shielding. So I looked around and I couldn't find anything that really was as the fact of as should be, of course, the spectrum of shielding that was required. So there were technologies that I actually I, I developed and took advantage of in a series of products that actually prevents the signal from touching your. Body so you can use your devices, but you're, you're not exposing yourself to any greater risk because of the use of the device. And there are ways that you can shield the the signals at the he Aleph level. For example, this sort of one set of specifications you gotta meet. Then when you're doing our app, it's another set of specs specifications, but they're awed devices that actually can shield, and those devices are bell the marketplace, and I'll make sure that some of those are linked in the show notes, especially the ones that I use and those will be mama dot FM for anybody. Listening wants to check those out. I know we've touched on it a little bit, but I'm really curious what your response to people who say that people who are worried about AM after being alarmist and that this concern is not backed by science. They're not informed period. There's no question whatsoever. This sufficient amount of evidence that I've had. I was I wasn't a believe in Charlotte. I was a neophyte seven years ago, but I also ran technical avid stories for many, many years in the bell system. So I was used to looking at data, so I began looking at the data and it was clear to me that if you pay any attention to the research that was being done, that there was reason to be concerned. I don't think you should throw your phone away. I don't think you should not use technology, but I think you should be concerned about it because there was clear evidence that there was impact of shell. We've learned a lot of the past five years. We know it's a danger in their use, smoke of us are going to be probably okay, but some of us will not be it will be impacted without proper management of that technology around their environment. So that's what I would say. In fact, Dr Ali had a conference in in Europe and he said, all writer ready, enough's enough. We know enough in the research community, say this. A problem. And I, I truly believe his point is that we know enough. The problem has been research, didn't link to practice. It wasn't general common knowledge what was going on in the research space, and there's a preponderance of evidence that talks about it clearly and there's clear evidence. In fact, I don't know if you remember radiation nation was a book we put together that rarely reason we didn't think research was getting to the Cy ties nitty the practitioners that were helping the public nor the public itself. So we released a book radiation nation to help people be informed about what we know what we don't know. You decide if it's a problem when not, but clearly there's enough evidence in the marketplace in the Thais community talking about the problems. And I would take precaution if I were you great response and a couple of their questions. I can't leave were already end of our time already. But I love to ask and I wanna get your answers to first and foremost would be, is there a book beside your own, which of course will be linked in the show notes that has really had an impact on your life or that you would highly recommend. Actually, it's funny with me that question believe in not one of quite young. I read a read a book and and and you'll know it a Little Women. It was. It was not science book. It was a book a, as you may know that was starting at the civil war level, and it is about the lives of women that channel charitable contributions as as well. More importantly, the the relationships with family over the life span. So to me, that was sort of like pretty insightful. And I guess at that point before I read the, the book wasn't quite as aware of that kind of impact. Understanding in relationships was so surprise answer. I'm sure that is a new one for that question and surprising random fact about me. I was actually Joe in at Little Women in a play back in highschool, so good. I'm really that probably could still recites lines if I thought about it for a minute. So another question I love to ask him. I think you're in a really entitled answer to is there was a piece of advice that you quit spread far and wide. What would it be in? Why? Because there's a couple of hundred thousand people who will at least here this I can help you get it to that many at least recognize which important in in your life. And the way I like to think about it is on your death bed Katie. You won't be thinking about your podcast. You won't be thinking about the pretty shoes. You bought the nice new car you have. What you'll be thinking about is your close friends and your family. So recognize the most important things are in your life or the family around you. So my advice is to pay attention to your friends, not as great advice. I think probably the end of the day, some of the most important health of ice we can get think family and community and time together is by far one of the biggest health factors and I love that you brought that up day. No, I know that as a researcher, a business owner, everything that you do your very busy, and I really appreciate you taking the time to be here again into educate and to share. I think like I said, at the beginning, this is an increasingly important issue and I love it. It's such a passion for you to help educate us about it. Well, thanks so much for inviting me. I really do enjoy the opportunity to talk about these things just to help people understand the environment. They make choices on what they wanna do based on owledge. That's the best way to make good choices. And with your work, sharing to your listening audience, the importance of maintaining health and undestanding all aspects of health. His very, very important, and I appreciate an opportunity to share of my aspect of that health to your community and thanks to all of you for listening. And I hope to see you again on the next episode of the wellness mama podcast. If you're enjoying these interviews, would you please take two minutes to leave a rating or review on? I tunes for me doing this helps more full to find the podcast which means even more moms and families can benefit from the information. I really appreciate your time, and thanks as always for listening.
Prof. Philip Mauskopf, Prof of Physics at Arizona State University
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If you have suggestions for topics guests at other ideas please send up to info at scientific sense dot com and i can be reached at gil at eappen dot info. Mike duties purposive. Philip mouse calls who has joined appointment at arizona state university in the school of earth and space exploration and the department of physics his back now distant primarily experimental cosmology in particular deciding a good thing new types of instruments for measuring signals from the most distant objects in the numbers buckle phil. Thank you nice to be here. Thanks doing this. I want to start with. What if your people from twenty eighteen Billy bates grave. Polite to using kinetic inductions detectors for told tech. I don't know if that's pronounce that day. And beyond so before we get the details of this. What exactly is protected. Call that day. Yes sure yeah. Toll tech is. It's the name it's named after a you know a group of the native group of in mexico and it's named that because The the the what it is is it's a camera at millimeter wavelengths that we have been building for a telescope in mexico which is called the large millimeter wave telescope or l. m. t. or in in mexico. It's the grand telescope Metric or cake day at and It's it's it's the mexico has actually a really strong background. Historically in astronomy like from the Early civilization and this telescope project which was started a decade ago. Maybe actually more. Like twenty years ago was still i think. The largest scientific project in mexico was building the telescope which is a fifty meter diameter telescope on top of sierra negra which is fifteen thousand foot mountain in the middle of mexico and so totake is is a camera that we're building using the latest superconducting technology or to go onto that telescope and make measurements location-wise Obviously will get into people but Mexico because it's a near the topics evident It has elation so what what is of the primary capital states Authentication yeah well. The primary characteristics are Allocation you know for a astronomy. And i know you've had other people on who also work as i do with telescopes and other places like chile or hawaii so so basically what you want. Is you want to be as you know. As high as possible to be above the atmospheric water vapor and that's the main The main component of the atmosphere that That absorbs millimeter. Wave light so So mexico it turns out has a fairly high mountains including pico. Or it's about or. I think it's called seat loyalty pedal which is right next to serra negra mountain which and that. One is the tallest mountain in central america. It's a nineteen thousand feet or so almost and so the mountain that it's on fifteen thousand feet. So that's that's what you want. Also it's it's a good latitude so it's nineteen degrees north latitude. Which is the same pretty much the same latitude as hawaiian. It gives you good access to most of the sky. So if you're too far north you can only see the northern stars two thousand southern stars so Good good position to and The millimeter size Vive linked what this target. What what sort of the primary target. Yeah so there's there's a couple but millimeter wavelengths so it's long a thousand times longer wavelength than the light that you see with your eye the optical which is just short just smaller than a micron wavelength and and so what we're looking at is Light from either from the early universe leftover from from from the early universe which has peaks at wavelengths around one millimetre. So that's one of the things we can look at and then the other main sources of emission or might at millimeter wavelengths are on gas and dust in the universe mainly in galaxies our own galaxy. So where where. There's a lot of gas and dust is also where you have a lot of stars forming. So we're looking at star formation in our galaxy and then also in other galaxies you can look at the gas and dust with farther away. So you don't get quite the same resolution and detail that you can see in our own galaxy but but still you can measure of overall things like star formation rates. And then you can do that out to you know for for galaxies at a whole range of distances and and trace the evolution of star formation in the universe speeding sort of half a billion or so years from the from the big bangla. So what's what's the range we're looking at so you mean like For for the dust and the galaxy the automated tennis club could target lights from the early universe. So oh right yeah so the the cosmic microwave background in the light from the early universe. I was talking about which is also what other telescopes in chile like the atacama cosmology telescope or south pole south pole telescope at the south pole. Look at the cosmic. Microwave background is actually light. That comes from well. It comes to us from almost you know the very beginning of the universe. The last time This light actually scattered or interacted with other manner before it hits. Our telescope was We chart time. We talk in terms of redshift. Which is how much the universe has expanded since the light last interacted. So it's redshift about eleven hundred one thousand one hundred for example some of the most distant galaxies that we observe are at a redshift of sort of six maybe eight maybe ten sort of the most distant so it's a one hundred times. The universe is expanded one hundred times more since that light was was last sort of scattered than than any light from any Gravitationally collapsed object like galaxy. But but actually the light and that corresponds to a time about four hundred thousand years after sort of what we call the big bang. Which is you know as far back as you can go so thirteen point. Seven billion years and but that light was around from the very beginning because the cosmic microwave background light mostly comes from its left over from the The annihilation of all of the matter. Antimatter when that happened in the early universe all turned into photons. And that's the light that we see Yes so it has been kind of moving around that long at at unfolding thousand years It became clear and they could get out right so the detector on the toll tech The kyw netted stick detector. Talk a bit about the technology. Sure yeah so. This is actually something that i really enjoy it. And spend a lot of time working on the development of a technology for strana me and other things and so this is a an often. We're doing this using superconductors because This superconducting devices can give you the best sensitivity And the lowest noise so this is a superconducting detector that that works by a. It's very very simple. And in a way. It's kind of something that i invented with grad student. A type of superconducting canetti conducts detector called lumped element. Connecticut sectors. Back in two thousand five. I think it was based on an idea from caltech that was Published in nature paper in round two thousand two and the idea is that a superconducting film. So if you if you deposit a thin film of of superconducting metal and then cool it down cold enough. so it's super pacs. The the the way that it conducts so we sway their conductor. Works is that there are are free charges. That can move around in response to light. And that's why It reflects the charges kind of mimic the light and then the light reflects the light back in a supernatural. There's two kinds of these charges. There's the regular kind like you have an irregular conductor which are actually in a superconductor called quasi particles and then you have the superconducting charges and those are made up of pairs of electrons. That pair off into these things called cooper pairs and And so when does are carrying current they don't have any resistance is pretty incredible superconductors work and you can have a current without having any Any resistance any voltage associated with it and or any loss in terms of energy converting into heat but the thing is that those particles still have mass and that means that it still takes some energy to to speak to increase their velocity and so if you wanna generate a current in a superconductor you have to. You have to accelerate the the charges such up to a certain point so that they have the right velocity so that they're carrying the current and that means that there's some inertia So in other words it it takes a little bit of time. You can't just instantly accelerate them that inertia is a form of its kinetic energy. You're giving to them and that Is a form of inductions. It acts just like a an inertia. The the concept of inductive is something that is pretty tricky In general for especially for for physics students that i teach to understand but basically the idea of an inductive is that it's it's an inertia to to having a current so it's what it's what causes sort of if you want to have a current in a wire. It's what causes it to take a certain amount of time you can't instantly getting a current from zero and there's two forms of at one is the magnetic inductive. That's the normal form where you're actually. There's because there's magnetic field associated with current and there's an energy stored on your kind of having to fill up that you know put energy into the field and so that takes time in order to produce a current and the way to put the energy in the field is applying a voltage or electric field. And so this is the the normal inductions but in the case of supernatural. You also have this connecticut ducts and the thing about it is a connecticut since can be really large in in a superconducting film. Because it's related to the kinetic energy required to carry a current in a superconductor. Since there's no resistance you can carry a large current with a small number of charges. So that's that was a long physics description to get to the how the detector works which is light that comes in interacts and breaks apart. These superconducting pairs of electrons and this is similar to the way that Acc camera you know your your pixels in your camera in your phone works except that it what's happening is line is coming in into the semiconductor in creating these electron hole pairs and in the silicon detector like that it takes a certain amount of energy. There's a binding energy that you need to break those those pairs and that's about equivalent to the energy. And a single photon. But we're detecting millimeter wave photons. Which are a thousand times lower energy. Fortunately superconducting pairs of charges have a binding energy. That's approximately a thousand times smaller. Than the binding energy and the semiconductor so sue so millimeter wave photons come in and break apart these cooper pairs and superconductor and that and the problem is it doesn't change the resistance. The resistance is still zero but what it does. Change is the inductive. The inductive related to the number of cooper pairs. These pairs of electrons are carrying the current. And so if you can measure the inductions in your superconducting film. Then all you need to hold your film up to light and have light shine on it. And then measure the distance and then you're measuring. How much light is coming in. And so it's hard so the last piece is measuring inducted into the way we do. It is by patterning the film in the form of an electromagnetic resonator so we put a capacitor in parallel and then that resonates cancels out the inductive and then what we look at is the change in resonant frequency. So think of it. As kind of like we have these electromagnetic tuning forks that are ringing for a really long time because they're perfect. Superconducting resonator and. We can hear the home that it's ringing and then if we shine light on each one the tone changes a little bit and so by listening to the tone of the resonator we can tell how much light is hitting the resonator and then we can make we can pattern on a on a single for we can pattern thousands of these into resonator and design them so that each one has different tone and then we can listen to all the tone simultaneously. And then we unwrap which were listening to and traffic and measure the light and we can do that really really well. With with like very very small number of external components and so this is a really kind of revolutionary style technology 'cause detecting these long wavelength photons with low energy it has been You know is more difficult than it is to detect the optical type coat. Yeah it almost sounds slighty necessary. necessarily requirement rights. Macy fly. If i understand fell so inducted is very much like inertia in superconductor is sorta kinda dick intact terms. And you have this. Ah cooper pairs of electrons light of comes in breaks them apart and to stop to move and that that movement somewhat of a change inducted. Dwags yeah exactly so. I mean literally. Connecticut is actually the same inertia and so So it's exactly that essentially what you're doing is changing if you like the the total mass of the charges. That can carry the current. And you're doing that. By breaking apart. Cooper pairs when you break apart. The cooper pairs the those electrons. Those charges are now no longer participating in the carrying of current because they have resistant. And it's just the remaining ones that are still paired that have no resistance. And those are the ones that are carrying the current and so you're by reducing the the mass it turns out it's like you're increasing the kinetic conduct it's because Reducing the mass means. You have to have the charges. The remaining charges have to be travel faster to carry the same current so To do that means that you know the inductors is actually more before this idea. Did we not have a way to detect this low energy litter evening. No no we did. We had other ways and actually going way back. I worked with instruments You know all the way back from when. I was in graduate where we used Detectors type of detector call belong later and these are still used these detectors when i was in graduate school which was in the nineteen nineties. These were we we were. I was literally making below by hand with glue and like sticks of wood. And so we. We transitioned from making individual detectors to making a raise small as of these types of detectors in in a fabrication setting like the similar to what you use for making a c. cds. And so that was. That was a big step forward. The problem with the barometer is that at least compared to connecticut detectors. There's there's two complications. The first one is that bolama tres are difficult to make because the way they work is that they are. There are thermally isolated islands absorbers which has thermometer on it. So you absorb light and then heats up and then you know. You measure that with thermometer. And so in order to make it you have to make these arrays of these kind of delicate thermally isolated structures which usually are now made out of things like thin films of membranes of silicon nitrogen for example. And then you have to have these thermometers and then reading out that thermometers. Since the thermometers are not like giving off these tones for example They are a resistor. So you have to have a way of reading out thousands of resistors and so in order to do that. You use a whole nother technique which is a superconducting a type of current sensor called a superconducting quantum interference device or squid and that requires a whole another fabrication. It's cold in it. Requires you know. Sixteen layers fabrication or something. In the belongers. The connecticut inductors detector array is is actually a single deposition single patterning staff. at least. That's how it happened for us. Those were the early ones now. There are slightly more complicated. But still a lot simpler to fabricate one and a lot simpler to read out in large numbers with with a simple frequency division multiplexing. So so there's some advantages and it really makes it now because so now that we've been building cameras with more and more pixels and this is true in the optical in your phone but it's also true for astronomy at longer wavelengths sort of it's really important to be able to scale up and this is one of the ways that i think really helps us scale up to learn easy to manufacture i would imagine lower cost over. Also would you say these. This technology will essentially be a sort of the go-to technology going forward. I think it's clearly has been taking over in certain areas so at shorter wavelengths so in in what we would call the sub millimeter or far infrared pretty much. Most instruments now that are being proposed or are being built are using connecticut. Inductive detectors especially instruments like the one that was involved in called a blast which was balloon borne instrument that From artika that used connecticut ducats detectors and future nasa missions likely origin space telescope and the galaxy emission pro. Both being studied and those will be planned to use a connecticut duct detectors at the shorter wavelengths at millimeter wavelengths from the ground there are still a number of experiments that are using these barometers using superconducting. Thermometers and there are also instruments that are using kinetic conducts detector. So i'd say it's it's approximately fifty fifty at the moment. And and i guess it just depends on exactly what what you wanna do. There's some things that i think. People have developed that you can do with with the barometer. That are still not fully developed the canetti conductors detectors because they they are a technology that has been Proposed or is developed a little bit later on so it may be that as as things move forward more start switching over. But it's also you know it's also true that the bombers are still having a progress in their in their development and and so we'll see but i think certainly if the shorter wavelengths mostly now people are looking at connecticut. Inducted detectors is the main option. Yes so this has the new action phil. So you have designed these things for many instruments. we talked about told tackle ready. You mentioned blast. I found that a heavy interesting. Could you talk a bit about. This is an experiment of balloon based experiments in the dark. Yeah right so blast stands for a trying to get it right Balloon-borne large aperture submillimeter telescope. It's a it's an. It's a project that's been going on for about twenty years now and there have been. I think total of six balloon flights. So nasa this is a nasa funded project. Nasa has a whole program of what's called sub orbital missions and technology development and so that includes balloons so they have these giant helium balloons there the size of football field when they're fully inflated and they fly and carry up to about five or six thousand pounds up to Way out of the atmosphere up to three million bars pressure. So above ninety nine point seven percent of the atmosphere and that's about thirty five kilometers above ground so much higher than any mountain and until blast has flown on one of these balloons blast is. It's been up to a two point five meter primary mirror so this is a big telescope similar in size to the hubble and it it has a camera with the again three colors and each one of the Of the the colors has not only it has basically polarization sensitivity so it can see it can distinguish the polarization of the light and we had. We had our last flight a little over a year ago january just before the pandemic from antarctica. It was with these three arrays of connecticut ducts detectors and it after a long campaign and i have. I have this blog. That i took i. Yeah we imagine a number of times you try and And so many things have to come right of it to work right yes. It's a challenge. The just just the launching of this giant A challenging because any the wind conditions have to be just huge win sale literally the size of football fields incredibly long. it's it's somewhat fragile in its. It's pulling its trying to pull out a thousand pound thing. It's so the launches is very challenging The instrument To you know it requires cryogenic. So it's got liquid helium so you have to do. Helium fills before launch. And it's it's a lot of work it's mostly done by graduate students. So this is for nasa. This is it's a high risk activity and one of the main purposes is is training the next generation of scientists and engineers and also testing new technology. So one of the things that that was succeed go ahead. It's also cheap labor and cheap labor to be a graduate student. You know you have to you have to be able to Solder and live off of a you know a fairly low stipend but It's it. It's also really useful for testing new technologies for nasa for spaceflight. So this was one of the the main sort of tests for Connecticut inducted detectors as technology to be used on future space missions and in that it was very successful because we launched we got to float we made some observations. We measured the detector response and the response of the electron. Ix and everything was working well and so that counts as nasa says check. This technology has been tested and is now suitable to be proposed to fly on a space mission unfortunately on launch. We had an incident where there's a caller that holds the balloon when they launch it that that is released after launch and usually. That's fine but I guess one out of every between twenty and one hundred launches the collar when it falls a hits the payload who'd and that's what happened to us it. It hit the payload and then about ten hours after we arrived. We got to our altitude up to thirty five kilometers. A piece that had been damaged presumably In that Launch a piece structural piece broke and we were no longer able to point the telescope so We only got about ten or twelve hours of data instead of three weeks hoping for i would imagine. Fill out this is a very large balloon is a helium balloon. That goes all up to what heights. Yeah so about thirty five kilometers height so an airplane is flying like seven or eight kilometers. The the yes about one hundred and twenty five thousand feet I guess though about ten times you know a typical sort of tall mountain right Higher and It's not quite in space but At that at that height the sky even when the sun is up is is completely black Very little atmosphere. As i said there's is about three mil- bars it's it's a slim similar to or maybe slightly more than a slightly less than the atmospheric pressure on the surface of mars So it's a it's enough in space that you can basically do a lot of astronomy that you would normally need to be in orbit to do but you can do More cheaply from the balloon and But as i said it's it's also a riskier. I think than Than the normal launches of of satellite telecoms. So so that the mission that you've flew you got some data you see here. polarized thermal emission from interstellar dust revealing magnetic field structures in nearby giant monitor clouds of debris actually get some data from the mission that that flew up me. We did we. We scanned across We did some scans on the sky when we were still able to two point and we detected in while you can see it while we were there and since we've been working on doing more detailed map reconstruction of the of the data After the flying. So we have some sources that we've measured We've also got from a previous flight. Where we we measured some sources And magnetic fields Or polarized estimation and then inferred information about magnetic fields in star forming regions. We obviously didn't get as much data as as we wanted to. We weren't really able to To get any data on our our main science targets so so but since we prove the technology works We are currently proposing still. We had a proposal that was into nasa. That was i it was. It was very well rated. But there were a limited number of a a missions selected for the last round so we weren't selected last time we were encouraged to be apply to fly a another version Rebuilding and doing this again to do a more comprehensive survey and i think part of this is a. This was the first test of the new detector technology and a lot of other things. So we're a lot more confident that now. If we get to go ahead that will be able to fairly quickly build. You know rebuild an instrument that is even more capable and And actually get a all of the science that we were hoping to get with this flight. How much time would you typically have in a in a freight and how do you think it down. You essentially releasing the easy to bring it down. Yeah that's what they do so so in antarctica. The balloons are launched in the antarctic summer. The sun is up which provides your energy through solar panels on on the back and you point. We point our telescope away from the sun Whereas i said this guy at that altitude is is black in office. It's pretty much a perfectly black. There's very little scattering and an article in the summer. The the winds take you around at at one hundred. Twenty thousand feet wins. Take you around in a circle and so you after between ten and fourteen days you. You're balloon that you've launched comes back around to relatively close to where you launched it from an usually one time around is when most Experiments in most groups will will ask nasa who have control over the balloon and they have a commands that they can send to rip open the balloon and released the helium. and then drop the payload. So usually they'll do that when it comes around the first time we were kind of thinking. Ideally we'd like to go around two times so we get more data right so More like twenty days a data but This is what's called a long duration balloon. Flight is Between sort of ten and ten twenty or thirty days there are also ultra long. Duration balloon fights that nasa has been developing in has launched a few and these are launch not from artika but From other places like new zealand and those can stay up for up to a hundred days and that's what we're targeting for next Proposal is a slightly longer flight with a goal of like more like thirty days so that that's the plenty i remember i feel longtime ago. I don't know what the status of this use either. And i think it was google Balloon internet. i don't. I don't know what happened. Yeah no no apps mean and even there was a. There was a lab a an office here in arizona because a student of mine i think went to work there or interview there for for a google alpha alpha project about four millimeter wave internet. So they were going to have a balloons you know flying and and then have them transmit receive millimeter waves and use that as a internet method. And i think they gave up on so so if take a quick break come back. We'll talk about the ranks mission as well as your most recent paper on superconducting kennedy conductors cubits for quantum computing. Right sounds. Good thank you. This is a scientific sense. Podcast providing unscripted conversations bit leading academics and researchers on a variety of topics. If you'd like to sponsor this podcast please reach out to info at scientific sense. Dot com soviet-backed outfield We were talking about the kite. Natick inductions detectors that you design for vegas missions. Deductible told tag We talked about last Decided the mission that you are involved in a fear spirits this is as nia infrared spectral photo metric all skies So so much speech. X yes is is a bit of a different kind of instrument from the ones that We've been talking about because it's It's it's at a different wavelength range. It's near infrared. it doesn't use. Superconducting detectors uses semiconductor detectors. But what it has in common i guess. With some of the other experiments i work on. Is that one of the main goals of spheriks is to make measurements. That will really try. And tell us about the origin and evolution of the universe so understand a little bit more about fundamental parameters in In our model of cosmology so the way that it does this and And send in the title or in the name of the experiment. It's a it's an all sky survey so it's a small satellite actually. It's a very small telescope. And it's amazing what you can do with small telescopes. It's a twenty centimeter diameter telescope. But what it has is. It's covering the entire. Sky has a very very wide field of view and actually another. It's not that unlike a another telescope launched recently by nasa called The tests which is trending exo planet sky survey telescope and and that's also a relatively small telescope say compared to the hubble but it's also got a very wide field of view in the goal is to to to make observations. You know over a large number of objects in that case and similarly for spirits. Our goal is to make a map as complete a map as we make of the three dimensional distribution of galaxies in the universe. And so the way that we do that is by having this telescope wide field of view but then we actually make an image of the sky In ninety six different bands so in ninety ninety six narrow wavelength bands and from measuring the pattern of light in every point that we measure on the sky in those ninety expands Where there's a galaxy week and use the spectrum so those ninety six different wavelength measurements. We can use to actually locate the galaxy in three dimensions. We know where it is on the sky so in two dimensions but then we can measure distance or its redshift by looking at the the spectrum of light and so that's one of the main goals on one of the ones i most interested in is his this three dimensional map and if we have a three dimensional map of galaxies are then we can construct from that a three dimensional map of sort of the the matter in the universe as a whole so the gravitational mass in the universe and that includes the dark matter as well as the the stars and gas and then from that we can. We can then trace how that as a function of distance because we have this three maps which goes out pretty far in the third dimension in the distance dimension. So we can we can. We can trace the evolution of of matter and and gravitational over densities as a function of distance and as a function therefore time and that helps us to understand the evolution of the universe due to get sort of all sky survey typically. You can't on department sure that's absolutely true. And there are in fact. There are a number of other experiments and groups working on doing something similar in particularly from the ground But of course from the ground you know you have a limited view. You can only see a certain fraction of the sky from any point on the surface of the earth so so typically these surveys from the ground cover Some fraction of the sky. I mean they're getting bigger and bigger. So there's there's now optical surveys from the ground that cover at least half the sky and there's plans to cover you know similar amounts there's also other satellites that will do similar measurements. There's the satellite called euclid European lead but with collaborate or in the us that will do a measurement that's complementary to two spirits in that its using a different form of a of of emission lines to measure the distances to the galaxies and it's also measuring different types of galaxies in at different distances. So when you combine all of these ground based and satellite measurements together we really should in the next ten years Build up a really good. Three dimensional map of our universe and this is gonna tell us and so So this is a forty metric spectrum. So you be only seat normal matter here right now doc matter. Yeah that's that's right In fact we don't really have any way yet of seeing directly seeing dark matter at all and so the only way that we really know that it exists is indirectly through the gravitational interactions. That we observe This being spectra metric Survey really what that means is that it's a it's kind of like a the way to the spectrum is made is that it's in little of sort of slices or images Photo metric images but at each in each wavelength lights rather than some sort of having a different type of spectrometer that may be scans wavelength or or or split up the wavelength like with the diffraction. Grating our instrument doesn't do that. We just observe a little slices all simultaneously but at different wavelengths on the sky and then we patch them together. technology here six by six big salon sky. Something like fourteen billion factor expectation. So just this she had amount of processing data would imagine is a challenge young. Yeah so i think you mean six point six six point. Six seconds on his side is the is the size of the pixels An arc second is is One three thousand six hundred of a degree So so it's It's about one six hundred a degree by one six hundred of a degree per pixel actually not super small in terms of Pixels for optical instruments means the resolution of the hubble space telescope. This is where we have a small telescope. The resolution of the hubble space telescope is is less than better than an arc second so so we're low resolution on the sky but it's still a large number of pixels on the sky and then each pixel has as i said ninety six different wavelengths that we measure so in total it is Actually one of the issues is is storing and processing all of that data. So we have a plan for that yet and so this is the nia infrared and so it is that why that that type of solution is sufficient. yeah I mean the. The resolution resolution is sufficient for our science goals. Which are Since we're interested in measuring you know the the large scale distribution of matter in the universe We're not our. This mission is not sort of focusing in and trying to resolve. You know very fine Structures anywhere in in our galaxy. Like like you are with other instruments or or like hubble or tapes web so it's a survey instrument the near infrared is is important because It's it's it's too so first of all it contains the wavelength information that is useful for us in that we can use to to measure these These distances to these galaxies and secondly. I suppose it's complementary to ground based measurements because Covering this range of wavelengths in the infrared is not possible from the ground. There's only some narrow atmospheric windows that you can look at it in the ground so we can cover this wide range of wavelengths that is completely inaccessible to ground based telescopes. How does it work feel So then you look out in the car. You're looking back in time. And so to get the three dimensional structure of the utilize. You could look at the same distance in all directions right at my understanding it. Yeah i mean basically the way that we construct this. Three dimensional image or map of the structure is that it turns out that that there are there are lots and lots of galaxies in the universe. But there's also big gaps distances between galaxy though so any even any six point six arc second pixel on the sky most of them. You don't have a galaxy in that pixel and so they're still over one hundred million galaxies at least at a certain brightness level as you as you look to fainter and fainter galaxies you see more and more and this is what you see in like the hubble deep field for example but But we are interested in primarily the brightest galaxies the biggest galaxies And so there's like one hundred million or or a few hundred million on the sky and we'll see And that's you know maybe one every thirty or forty pixels on the sky so so we're gonna construct this map by taking the the the sources that we see and knowing where they are both in the sky which pixel they're in and how far away they are and then sort of putting that into a three-dimensional model and then using that model as a way of we. What we will see in there is Know fillon -tory structures where you have multiple galaxies. All arranged in in these in filaments will see big bubbles and holes and voids. And we'll see all of these different structures just by putting dots pinpoints in three dimensional space for every single galaxy that we observe that is brighter than a certain brightness or or or more massive than a certain mass or or that kind of thing. Yes have i. I'm sure i'm missing something. So the the new a galaxy in the pixel one the one hundred pixels each of those pixel that shows a galaxy shoeing it a different times on. How would you so. Maybe i'm not fully understanding. So then i say hit us talk of the universe using you know kind of pixels that a different time time points. How would i construct that. Yeah okay. I see what you're saying so you're in fact. This is a key feature for us because basically yeah so let me try and explain it this way. So what what you're saying is true that any galaxy that we look at. We're seeing at a certain time in the past the time in the past that we're seeing is also directly proportional to its distance away from us so So we can we can make this three dimensional map but each each spherical shell around the earth. Right is like is like a three or is like a two dimensional. You know set of galaxies At at a certain time in the past and so this is exactly what we're gonna do is we're going to analyze the data looking at each each time slice so each time slice is like a a surface of a sphere around the earth right. So we're looking at all of the galaxies. That are a certain time. We're getting light from a certain time ago. Which is the same distance. And we're gonna look at those galaxies and then see how how that changes how the pattern of the galaxies in the mass. and everything. how it changes you outwards in slices or farther time. And that's basically tracing the evolution of of matter and formation of structures in the universe throughout time so to sort of that the outcome would could be sort of a movie that right now so so we can kind of see hunting over time yet and in fact yeah in fact on the sphere x web page. I believe there are movies which are You know flying through a simulated set of galaxies. And as you fly through your flying In space really but also forwards or backwards in time depending on whether you're blind towards us the earth or you're flying away from the earth and so So exactly you could. You could make a movie and You know there's various ways to visualize you know this but this map will be telling us they'll in any sort of theoretical questions that That you might get insight to. I think checketts there. Yeah there are so as i said. We're interested in learning about the the evolution of structure in the universe and also were interested in learning about the distribution so how matter is distributed throughout the universe and one of the key. Things that sphere x is is really should be very good at and is highlighted is looking for any anomalies in the distribution of matter that they're and by anomalies. What i mean our Things where there are either big excesses of galaxies or big where you have really really few galaxies more than you would expect from kind of what's called gallician random noise. Oh so one of the things. That sphere x is really going to be looking for is evidence for something called non galaxy hannity and as i said that's deviations from randomness and non-drowsy hannity is important because if there is non it's predicted that there should be some non out sanity if you believe certain models for what happened in the very early universe and so We still don't really know that much about what happened. In the very early universe so detecting Any kind of non gase any deviations from this kind of just random pure randomness Would actually be a window into really really early universe stuff which is also related to possibly very high energy physics so that's kind of the ultimate goal it's also very challenging so we'll see how it works. I can't quite remember. But that was a feature called the data tractor or something like that That aims to be pulling in galaxies. Is that is that still Is that still true. Young there are again. I i mean. I i actually remember going to one of the first talks when i was an undergrad student at this at harvard. Because that's where some of the people who were really pioneering this kind of survey this is called a redshift survey. That's exactly what spheriks is doing. Some of the very early redshift surveys were uncovering things like the great attractor. These this is. This is nearby distribution of galaxies and places where there are concentrations of a large numbers of galaxies. Obviously been nearest concentration. Where in is is called the local group but then the great attractor is like some another nearby concentration There's there's a super super cluster in the constellation virgo. I think there's perseus has a super cluster. i i don't. I'm not super familiar with all of the nearby structures but That that's definitely exactly what we're talking about was fear exits just extending from these nearby collections of galaxies. Sort of out to not not really quite to the place. The limits of where get first galaxy forum. T-rex will will really only go out to a redshift of about one Whereas some other experiments will go. We'll go even farther James bob will be looking at to the very first galaxies out as i mentioned before to redshift up to ten or even even more but but yeah a complete math out to redshift one that would comprise no ninety more than ninety percent of the total volume of the observable universe. So so it's a lot of the the volume there sellable universe. We are still limited to fight that but I guess we can see that. The potentially extrapolate from the to to the Complete universe i mean i think i think there's a. There's the possibility that one day we might understand enough about you. Know the about cosmology especially in the very early universe to to be able to extrapolate to what what the the universe that we are not yet able to see There are also other possibilities that if there is some topologies some complicated Topologies to the universe We might actually see evidence for that in in various Things like the cosmic microwave background. If they're certain patterns there we could we could. We could perhaps figure out what the overall topology is. But it is also possible that we won't ever really be able to know what lies outside of the university. We can observe with with light and you know in our our light horizon so it takes because it takes a finite time to reach us and the universe is only a finite age than than that limits our ability to see and there was some speculation allowed sort of colliding universes that might show up. Cmv anything like that The might be might be able to get some data on well. Yeah i mean so that would also be something Potentially could give signals in this matter distribution map and it might give some some signals. There might be some sign of something like that in the sphere data. I would say it's less likely. I think it's because the cnbc is actually covering you know pretty much our entire horizon. It's probably our best bet for seeing things like that though. Spirits is is better for seeing affects that that show up for example as these non gal district non non housing effects in the distribution of matter. But i want to finish up with your recent paper Of interest for you decide of w ban. Superconducting kinetic inductors. Cubit it So there is a big race In native quantum computing universities and companies So this is a different type of cuban kite Inductive cubit right. Yes yes and and if you remember we started talking about connecticut detectors so it's basically it's using the same Physics that we're using in the detectors for astronomy so yeah and so How small businesses show. Yeah so it's As you said the the idea is kind of comes out of of the types of things that we use for astronomy detectors but but it's it's replacing so so it's a superconductor right. Still superconducting and and there are currently one of the best types of quantum computing systems. That people are working on is is superconducting quantum computing sistance. Ibm google righetti is another company. Working on amazon is working on their own. Superconducting quantum computer all of these superconducting. Quantum computers for their cubits. Which is you know. They're they're fundamental. Unit of logic from all of them are using an effect that is based on The josephson effect so josephson junctions which are tunnel junctions. Between superconductors that were first described and won the nobel prize per brian. Josephson a physicist and end so these Joseph are used. Because one of the things that you need to make accu- bet Just like a transistor or a regular bid is you need. You need to have non year behavior so you need to have some non linear already. And and that's what allows you to go sort of zero or one. St and in the case of a quantum a cubit than this non linear also able to be used and and put into state as well of your zero in one state but but these junctions are have some issues there sometimes tricky to make tricky to to to make reliably and one of the key things today is is trying to make more and more cubans so bigger and bigger arrays of of these cubits that are connected together just like you know is important to make more and more transistors in regular computers and so until google surveys and demonstration by something like fifty three cubits or something like that right. Yeah yeah they have on order. Fifty and ninety m has about the same number. Which isn't that. Many of the computing goes up exponentially with the number. So you don't have to get that many before you're able to compete or do better than a regular computer but but so the there's two things about our design That are that are different so the first thing is that we're not using any junctions instead. What we're using is a superconducting nanna wires so very thin thin wires up superconductor and these have our non linear because because of not not an effect called non linear connecticut which which we Which we've been using or or noticed When we were making our astronomy detectors and because there's no there's no junction. The thought is that they would be less sensitive to a certain type of noise that you have in this In the gap in between the superconductors in this tunnel junction and also the hope would be that they would be easier again. Just like the connecticut detectors easier to fabricate and easier to make large numbers of the other thing. that's different is. it's w band. So w manned is a wave guide. Bandit is centered around ninety gigahertz or one hundred gigahertz The cubans that. Ibm or or google or using They tend to operate in less than ten gigabytes. And so that's that's an important difference because at at ten gigahertz. One of the things that you have to do. If you want your quantum computer to work is you have to make sure that it's not upset by thermal noise so you need to cool everything really cold and you have to cool it for ten gigahertz the temperature you have to cool it to is proportional to the frequency. That you're cuban operates attend gigahertz. they're cooling their these cubans down to sort of fifteen degrees. Fifteen million degrees above absolute zero. Fifteen million kelvin. But if we can make ours work at ninety gigahertz hundred gigahertz then we only would have to cool to maybe. Two hundred million kelvin. Which still sounds pretty cold yet but it turns out that it's a lot easier to cool stuff down and in fact we. This is the temperature that we tend to operate are superconducting detector. Arrays the ones that we use on the balloon we operate those and around two hundred to three hundred million kelvin. And that and that's a lot cheaper and it requires. You can have one of these in your home. You can actually now plug into the wall and get down to two hundred fifty million kelvin in your home but if fifteen million kelvin is probably a little bit too much power too big for you to have in their in their home so so there's two ways that it could be better. It's early dates for this technology. We just we just admitted. This paper was published in applied superconductivity. But but who knows. Maybe this is the right way to go yet. it's exciting. I don't know much about this. So these q. Beds in operation at this on an entangled state the issue is that you can't really keep them in A stable states is that right. Yes so what you wanna do to to do your calculations you wanna you wanna keep your your your cubans as for as long as possible in a in a state that is is is not Say collapsed or or inter interfered with by the environment and usually the environment means Any kind of Thermal disturbance so You can you. Can you can think of a quantum system as as being this like a pure kind of System that could be entangled and you could. Have you know multiple states existing simultaneously. I guess like in. Show dinger's cat. You know your cat being alive at time. Although that's i think a bit of a stretch but that at some point the the rest of the environment the rest of the universe surrounding it destroys that Coherence is called. So what you want is you. Don't want to have coherence. And so the higher the frequency that you're cuban operates less sensitive. It is to deco from the environment. Which is why atomic cubits so there are certain types of cubans that work with with optical light and these can work at room temperature because Because the the thermal radiation you know from the room is is is much lower energy say than the the energy of the the cuban but superconducting cubits obviously have to work cold enough that your material superconducting but But they don't have to work at the frequencies in the energies that that they're using You know right now and so This is a design and a proposal to To make you bits that work at at these higher frequencies yeah. Yeah it's exciting so in conclusion. Fill it it. Seems like you have a foundational technology. superconducting kinetic intact And using it instrumentation possible uses in quantum computing subpoenaed forward fifa news. You see other applications for this platform technology. yeah do i mean for example. There is my my my old group. Where i worked Before i moved to arizona state In cardiff has a spin out that they are working on to use this technology for millimeter. Wave security scanners in this would be assive a imaging so instead of So in airports or for scanning You can see through canvas trucks and things like that. It's it's a it seems like it's very a potentially very useful right now in in the uk because of the the new brexit rules on mean they have to do a lot of this in addition There's there's other applications so earth-observing for example the millimeter wave Satellites that that look at the app in the earth's atmosphere are one of the two in With near-infrared actually are one of the two main ways that we can measure What's happening in terms of the weather. So we get information about water vapor in the atmosphere which is very useful for predicting things like rain. Which we haven't had here in arizona very much for the last year so there are a number of applications that are not in astronomy or in in quantum computing or fundamental physics as well and then there are other things too. I guess The other things that we talk about in my group are using superconducting devices or very a common now for things like searching for new fundamental particles like axioms and we're also talking about if we can possibly use superconducting devices to determine whether or not gravity is quantified by detecting gravitons. So there are a number of new and exciting areas that we're thinking of and i suppose it's nice having sort of this. This base in this technology as a springboard for ideas and our philosophy is usually that we try and think of things that would be really cool but people think now might be not possible or very difficult. I think quantum computing was something like that say ten years ago fifteen years ago and then people were working on it and now you know it's becoming a reality so i think there are other. There are other things that are going to be. Like that. And i would think from media. Site's perspective as we get a higher temperature. Superconducting materials that is going to propel this even further right. Yeah no definitely i. There's a lot of applications out there for for higher. tc materials. That's it's a very exciting time for that. As well and i know that you know there's records being broken so we also we follow those Those those developments that very keenly and I guess one of the materials that we've talked about using Is not that. High t c but it's It's one of the highest. Tc sort of standard superconductors metallic once called the magnesium diebold ride. so that's that's something that you know. is possibly going to be next and i guess the other thing though is it's also there's been developments of cryogenic technology. So so the fact is it's a lot easier now to go and buy a an instrument for not a lot of money That you can plug into the wall and will cool down something to A temperature below four degrees kelvin. Four degrees above absolute zero so So yes a high t. C is is definitely something exciting but i think there is this great potential for even using a lower critical temperature superconductors because of the crime. Yet i can see this melville they saying argh using your phone put that into freeze. Its finding a quantum computer in there just I'm not sure that the cri- will get that small but that would that would certainly be. Yeah be something worth worth paying attention to. Yes but yeah. This is great. 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"Are you so full of fear. You can't even talk about money and wealth. Dr Cheryl is showing you. How shift your mindfulness with your wealth relationship? Most people don't even like to talk about money from a personal level. You can learn how to get past the fear and talk about money and wealth and free yourself to a healthy relationship. No matter where you are in your life. Are you ready for some good changes. this really affects all areas of your life. It's time for the wealth. Transformation podcast. Now here's your host. Dr Cheryl L. shorter well doing something a little different tonight because we have a special guest that just I was introduced to me yesterday. And I'm doing this kind of spontaneously because I feel that the information in the knowledge that he has house is extremely important for all of us for our viewers for everybody. So here I am and I'm in here. Palma Gavin is and so please tell us your do a kind of a mini bio yourself. So we know where you're coming from. Well I'm originally from the East Coast when it came out to California in the late eighties and as such I have been a software developer for most in my professional career so I have a company that does automation solutions of Web work but very much of an expert in both hardware and software and have recently got some training in measuring and mitigating which means to protect yourself from radiofrequency microwave radiation nation. Now that's a Lotta big words but it's what makes your phone work. It makes your tablets work. It's the stuff of Wi fi. It's the stuff of you know what the iphones it's all about. Your company is Inter site Inter site okay short for interactive inside. And that's in. That's all right. Well I wanted you you to come on the show because I think that the the radio frequencies and the microwave technology is is is hurting US big time in even more so now that you have shown me some things and so please share from the beginning like maybe a little bit of history of lying you know you had mentioned like twenty years ago. Sure no problem I mean we. We really started using using radiofrequency microwave radiation in World War Two prior to that we had just general radio and so I was done right around the nineteen hundreds and so when you think about a radio wave. It's kind of smooth what they call analog wave right. Waves are just have the inverse relationship to frequency frequency is just the number birth times it goes up and down in a second okay so waves can be very long. They could be one hundred meters long. For example is that or very short more during the inch range and so that means that then each second they will change so many times a second. So you've heard things like two point link four gigahertz right. That's what our Wifi is. And that's all switch. Your microwave oven is so what that means is it will oscillate go up and down. Two point point four billion times in one second so that's the frequency and then the length of that wave ends up being about five inches. All right lanes of the wave is very important because every wave whether it's an analog way for what we have here is what we call pulsed. I microwave radiation what that means is a special kind of way. Instead of being a smooth wave they actually do something to imprint. Print the data on it. It's all just to carry zero once on offs. That's what data really is so the only way to get the data on a carrier wave. It's to change. Its shape in some way all right. And so. That's what happens. That's called modulation and that will encode the data onto the wave and then it's sent from point A. to Point B.. Maybe to your phone and then your phone coded and then we'll show you the picture or the video you're used to something called a modem. A Modem is literally modulation D modulation in one short to modem. Okay there's okay so so. How does this affect going up to the satellite and coming back okay? There's lots of different ways for radiofrequency. See Microwave radiation data streams to be sent to you. You're used to cell phone towers. You see them out there right. Generally they're very big right there. Maybe the two hundred feet in the air and there may be two thousand feet away and so you can see them in the distance and they'll be very high power close to the source but then as as it moves out kind of sprays out and then it gets to be just a little more diffuse and then the signal will drop down in intensity but still it's enough to send data data to your phone and the key is it sends it out but we can't see it you don't see it usually you don't taste it or feel it usually usually but there are people today who have become sensitive to the frequencies and the radiation is out there to the point where they are actually made to feel uncomfortable comfortable and this is something that we in America have recognized officially since two thousand five the architectural access board in Washington. DC commends now that we have to accommodate from disability standpoint people who are electro magnetically sensitive. Well and that means that for public buildings there really should be no Wifi. There should be no microwave and then because there's no regulation right there are there are regulations. But but they're very loose and they're very old and they're scientifically unsound. They were scientific found when they were made twenty years ago because they were written by the telecom lobbyists and what they did was they twenty years ago we pass something called the Telecommunications Act of Nineteen ninety-six six and it had some amazing language that was suggested by the telecom lobbyists and the politicians went along and they allowed some of that language to come to pass and since then we can go into the specifics if you want. The Federal Communications Commission has just US written more and more better and more favourable rules to the telecom companies allowing them to do more and more of what they want to do. None of it is actually very good for us are human beings. So there's no real governing agency that rules over this. Is that it my understanding. Well the problem is no one owns the safety aspect of radiofrequency exposures the FCC Z.. has some rule and say or it but even they say on their own website there is no federally mandated radiofrequency exposure level. They are coming up with what a guideline and it's a commercial guideline because they are not a health and safety agency. They have no expertise in health and then when they go listen to other people and these other agencies and what non governmental organizations like the I triple E. which is an engineering engineering group. They might actually well. What do you guys think? And their engineers and physicists. But wh who they're not listening to our the biologists and the biologists. I have been doing research into this field for the last sixty seventy years and so listening because it's not convenient for them and they don't have any any impediment. Ten is the probably the money it's the money obviously comes down. They don't want to actually have to. That'll level all that is protective of people. There is a way that they have stated. And it's it's really sneaky. Okay what they say is that we as Americans. Americans are not allowed to oppose the placement or sighting of a cell phone tower for environmental reasons. That's what the language in the bill says specifically environmental reasons but unfortunately they take that further and try to make a fable from it and they have projected checked that it actually means environmental and health when in fact it does not and so the problem is that every telecom telecom lobbyist is going to tell your local city council that hey we can't talk about health. Well the answer is that's not true. Your local community has the the duty and responsibility to protect the health of its resident. Okay so the basically we the people have to stand up we do. We have to stand up right now because the Weinstein Street is pulling the biggest fastest move known to mankind right now with a full court press they are proposing unfathomable and state legislation which is trying to take away the little bit of local control. We have had over the placement of cell phone towers. You may have heard of something. Something called small cells. Okay and small. I just heard that recently. Yeah well this is the new branding for a cell phone tower. You're used the big cell phone tower. That's two hundred feet air in about twenty five hundred feet away where blondes now. What they're proposing to do is to take some of those antennas right right off that big cellphone tower and stick it tweet defeat in front of your second story bedroom window? I can tell you for shirt. Certain that is hazardous. There is no reason why antenna should be that close to you. A human being or any living organism. Think back in history think about what was your relationship with antennas when we were growing up we had big antennas that brought television signals finals. In right now on the roof of your house not where you were and a had a wire. That actually came down into your house to connect your TV when when the first cell phones came out. They weren't even want to carry around. They actually had to be installed in the cars they to ten on the metal roof of the car for good reason and that would shield you from the signal coming to the antenna but then it would have a wire in it to carry into the console and the phone had a Corley curlicue. Hugh Cord that you would then talk into. That's how the first cell phones were actually install. I used to have one problem with. Today's phones is that you look at this. Listen you go. I guess there's no antenna 'cause you don't see an antenna sticking out of it but that's not true you actually have about five or six ten. Here let's count them. You have love a Wi fi antenna. You have a call and text antenna. That's really to g technology. Okay you've got us a cellular data Antenna that might be three G.. Four G.. Depending on your service you have. GPS and that is how you talk to the satellite. That's five miles up. These are all each individual antennas and they are constantly emitting microwave radiation whether you are actively making a call or not because because it is constantly talking to the tower. It's since you can switch our towers my tower and the problem is that unless you're aware of how turn your Tana's off you be exposing yourself to radiation the entire time you are carrying your phone. We're going to get into this iphone and we're going to show you a few places that tells you for sure even Apple. It says you're right upfront. You should never put this in your pocket I am. You should totally never hold it up against your. I'm sure you've never carried in your Bra. Women who have done this years have tumors in the shape of the phone right here and port. Uh Amber Tiffany France adverse. The mother Tiffany's the daughter and she was seventeen when she started doing this. And five years she got breast cancer. They operated operated. They gave her chemo. We thought that would take care of it but unfortunately metastasized to her liver. She will die before twenty six or twenty seven and this is just one of many people we have had cats. Listen to their phones. We have to listen to this no matter what we have to listen to this right so the way to stay out of the danger zone and you could still have a phone. You can still have a cell phone plan. You can still get most of the use out of this technology if you just learn a a few simple principles number one. Use Your wireless sparingly do it for the things you absolutely need to do. Okay make a call quickly clearly never holding up. You always want to either. Do By speakerphone. or You WanNa have a headset somehow. Okay make your call short. There's no reason to have a long call call on a cell phone if you want a long call von Edge Magic Jack many free or low dollar per month services can work through your computer and you can use a quarter and has long conversations. You want while you're home that's the best the Corden the Ethernet well that actually it's just a regular phone court. User net is four more computers and even for phones. Okay but the key thing about this is that if you keep your antennas off and I'll tell you how to do that in a second all right then you're you're able to carry this around safely then it's okay to put it in your pocket then if you wished you could put your Bra so if you WanNa make sure that the antennas are off I unless teach you how to do that so so I understand before we take it to the next step. Sure the antennas are emitting. They're totally emitting radiation. Yes all So all the time I'll just take it to the basics of how this all works okay any antenna whether it's in your phone or it's on the cell phone tower. Its job is to send and a signal. Data from point A. TO POINT B.. It does that on what's called a carrier wave and that carrier wave. We're used to something like two point. Four five Gigahertz figgers. You've heard of that. Yes okay. That's your Wifi. And so your cell phones are a little bit lower in frequency but the means they have a little bit longer wavelength so two point four five billion times. A second is how many times why fight will beat in a second. When you look at cell phones they go for about seven hundred thousand times lines a second to maybe two point one billion times a second and those corresponding to wavelengths that might be around seventeen inch at the highest down to maybe breath to or three inches at the lowest okay? I'm not sure I understand that part of it okay. Waves health fast that the radiation like would come to you. What all the radiation comes to you at the speed of light? That's no matter what no matter. What and so- radiation all comes to you at six six hundred seventy million miles an hour? It comes that fast and it does not stop at your skin. It will actually penetrate deep into you unfortunately because children are smaller and they have higher water content and thinner bones and thinner skulls. It will penetrate much more deeply into your child that got it does faster and faster and more complete and have more serious impacts. You have to understand that we have been dealing with radiofrequency microwave radiation in earnest since World War. Two when we I put these on our ships in World War Two in the military started its military technology absolute wreck and we maimed arbitrator operators. We killed them. We made them sterile. We made them go all. These guys are in their twenties. There were completely Volvo. They all kinds of of course they don't want shoot to know this because they want to continue using the radio waves. They want to continue to have their military installations. And they actually still want you to. I use this on a daily basis for your own tracking. You see because anytime you have your antenna zone you are trackable okay. So that's another reason why you want to get your antennas China's off okay. Let's do that. I mean that's what we're talking about very simple. All tenders are on right now. There's a lot of radiation coming off. This won't even though we're not making a call okay. It's constantly pinging the tower and it saying I'm here I'm here. I want to do something. I'm here and the towers doing the same thing. The thing I'm here I'm here around here. So what we WANNA do is we want to take a look at settings. So this is this is a solution to Stopping the radio waves at least for a portion of time. Yes when you have your phone your phone or your tablet or anything else. That's close to you. You is generally the greatest source of radiation to you because the so close to you all right if this were four or five feet away from me. It wouldn't be so much of a problem problem but because we generally hold our phones and keep it close. This is our number one source that if we learn how to manage better we can still use it to make a call once in a while and you send our texts whilst awhile but we shouldn't have it on all the time. Is there a safe amount of space to keep it when it is on. The point is with Radio Frequency electro-magnetic radiation which we're talking about there really is no safe level. This is just a question I have to have smoking cigarettes. Okay you understand that if you were drinking in the bar and you smoked one or two cigarettes on the weekends social smoker. You're probably probably not going to have life threatening lung illness and go down with lung cancer. However if you smoked three packs a day for ten or twelve or fifteen years you you are most likely going to have a problem? It's the same thing with phones. How do you turn yourself into a social smoker phone user versus a lover or three pack a day smoker filling user? Well most everybody. Today is a three pack a day smoker. Keep all the antennas on you'll see all these naval and they put them in their pockets. And they chatty Eddie Chatty chatty and they do all the wrong things here's a simple thing to do in your sister key. This is so important. It's very simple on the iphone. It's right up front android android somewhat similar okay but it's airplane mode airplane mode. They tell you to do this on the plan. So you don't interfere with their electroncs. All you want to do is enable airplane mode. Turn it on when it does. You'll notice your wife. I went off Your Bluetooth. went off your cellular data. Went off Okay and even your personal hotspot went it off with just one move. So that's a really simple easy way to do it. Now you should know wireless an airplane mode. It's not going to receive a call or text. It will collect on the server so you can actually check your voicemail and check your text messages later. which is what I do? I check my once an hour. Okay for about three. Read three minutes at the top of every hour but the one that people miss. Because it's not part of this is in privacy. See this is what people don't no about for their phones down here in privacy. They had this thing called location services. And you want to make sure you get that off too because that's the one. GPS asked I was talking to the satellite five miles up. Okay and look there are times you want on when you want to look something on a map you need that sure but you know what most of your day. Hey you don't want it on all right and listen to what happens with your ten is off. You now have a couple of great gifts number one three day battery life. It's great well Dave your battery when You keep your ten is off most of the time. This is a really good thing. Okay number. Two you're knucklehead. Friends aren't constantly interrupting. You've you say you can actually decide when you get back to them. Let's convenient for you and look I did this in my life and I trained everybody my clients and everybody said you know what even even if I don't get back to you for an hour I still love you. Yeah absolutely I do and I still care about you and if you really want me you call me on my landline. And I'll have whatever conversation you need but don't let you do it by myself. You love yourself enough to do this. This is unconditional love and this is what my show is. About unconditional love. This is being a good friend to yourself. And also that you're setting an example for your friends and your children and your children and your clients and all that you come in contact with so the answer is if you need you to get me you get me on my landline or if you need to give me with a text I'll get to once an hour that's about all. I allow people to do all right but good now that you have this phone now that all the antennas channels are off now. It's not such a problem to put it in your pocket not such a problem to carry a year. Can you expand on what the The government has written written in there. Yes I think that is very important to share that okay. So what I'm GonNa do now is go to another part of settings things again. This is on the IPHONE and it's similar on android. Okay so we're GONNA go to the general area and when you do you then go about and after about you actually have to go all the way down to legal at the bottom and then in legal you go to the bottom. It says are F- exposure exposure as for radio frequency exposure all right. I had no idea that this was there. You read this and it's a small tax but essentially it says this if this phone is any closer than you know roughly five millimeters which may be quartered orange you're exceeding any federal guideline when they do any of the tests they they put him in there and it might be five or ten or fifteen millimeters and that will will pass the federal government test. However if you actually take the device in stick it right up against your skin the way people normally do it fails all the tests? Okay so the answer really is you can't really believe any of the government tests. They are fraudulent. They were fragile from day one they devised so there would be easy to pass. They do not actually predict what is the biological effect from radiofrequency microwave. Radiation Exposure. And the problem is that this stuff comes at us in a very fast manner. Because if I'm sending data to you I'm going to do it with a little bit and when I do that it's actually happening. Millions of a second okay really short and really high power okay. And that's how the data travels to you when you're getting from your cell phone or Wifi or something else. Unfortunately we are near these devices. It's not just coming to your phone own is coming to a cloud. That's maybe thirty six inches around you and so you are sitting in the soup and the poor children in the classroom IPADS are getting hit with not just their device. It's the guy sitting to the right and the girl to the left and the kid in the front and the kid in the back and all of these fears of three feet around. All of these pets are additive. And when it's edited it actually just gets much bigger than just one plus one equals two right. It's more like one. Plus one equals one hundred twenty. I understand that France has has stopped Wifi in the classroom. They have for the youngest grades and they're restricting their. Cyprus stopped it altogether Russia has done most of this seminal work Russia actually in this well known you can look it up online. I've written up on one. One of my websites are f. e. m. f. dot com. That's radio frequency electromagnetic fields. But it just talks about from nine hundred fifty three to nineteen seventy eight the Russians nations bombarded are US embassy with Radio Frequency Electromagnetic Radiation Twenty four seven and beat. The people live there and worked There so they were bombarded for twenty seven the entire time they were working and living at that embassy the US learned about this after the first year but the US didn't help cal any of those employees for ten years. They just follow the health effects and the catalogue them all and they recognized what was happening. Three of our ambassadors passengers died of brain cancer to gather on the job the other one when he got home. Miscarriages sleep problems. All these classic symptoms symptoms of Microwave Radiation Sickness. Finally after ten years they started paying these poor people hazard pay to just show up because it was that dangerous so this is our first big experiment of human subjects from which we have statistically significant data that proves the the microwave radiation will cause cancers lethal cancers. Okay and all kinds of other health problems because these microseconds pulses are Are completely foreign to our natural biology and if you are unconscious and a you're going to the hospital they're gonNa do things they're going to check to see if you eletricity in your hearts that's right and if you have in your brain eeg and what they're looking for is they're looking for electrical potentials of your cells which are very small. Now the units get kind of very technical but it's simple to imagine if you imagine a zero with dot ought and then eleven more Zeros and a one. That's what your cells run at called. Pico Watt what the Federal Federal Government is saying. Here is every iphone every tablet. Every one of these. There's allowed to emit radiation at ten. What's the difference between ten and a people? What is ten trillion times who've that is ten into the thirteen fourteen right around that it's essentially if I took tension view and put you end and you would extend from the Sun all the way to the end of our solar system and back four times? That's how it's different. It's almost incomprehensible. What I'm saying to you is that is not surprising at at all that electrical signals as high and as intense as these would affect and confuse are very sensitive electrical organs and cells and functions within our body and in fact it does we have twenty five thousand studies ever since one thousand nine hundred eighty seven which clearly catalogue? What's called microwave radiation sickness now one of the things we know the most is that affects our number one cancer fighting agent called Melatonin? And I want you to expand on that That what I don't understand is why doesn't the scientific community Br come up and speak and roar this information they they have been. They've been screaming at the top of the long for the last fifteen twenty years and they are skit to the side because the government and the warriors coming military leterrier who are in business together. Okay and it's mostly the military. The military wants it for their own purposes because they actually see it not only as weapons is to win the next warfare you know gains but then the other thing is they want to make sure they can use it for whatever surveillance needs they have and so that goes beyond military that goes into the NSA the CIA and all the rest but the key thing about the scientists as they are speaking up there is a two thousand fifteen there are two hundred twenty four scientists from forty one nations signed the ems finest appeal you can find that online mantis dot org and they have called on the UN to lower these uh-huh guidelines which are really way too high. Okay ten watts per device irrespective of how many devices there are. It's just utterly ridiculous because these are safe level we are. We're dealing in. You know ten to the minus twelve or eleven of what we want for ourselves and we're way overwhelming them so it's just too much electricity through the air. This essentially what this is we are sending electrical signals through the air and we we are getting confused by them and I think we it's anything that sensitive to electrical changes in our deeds biological mechanisms assumes that has to do with calcium moving across membranes. It can get pretty technical but at the end of the day the mechanisms been figured out. The symptoms are leading to it or been figured out. The National Talks Ecology Program completed. Its sixteen year twenty five million dollars study and they published the first results in May May of two thousand sixteen and they have proven statistically significant levels higher brain cancer heart cancer DNA damage. And that's just the three tissue samples they looked at at that time. And they're gonNA be looking at a whole bunch more tissue samples and also on mice and they did this just I. Four nine hundred Megahertz cell phone and eighteen hundred mega itself from not having done the study on. What's happening why they haven't done on the big study on what's happening with the five G.? Stuff because the five G. frequencies go range anywhere. From six hundred Megahertz six hundred thousand times a second up to maybe ninety gigahertz okay ninety billion times a second and all of that range is being planned to be broadcast into our neighborhoods on what they call quote unquote small cells. You may have heard about this five gene small cells while the five G. is ready to be rolled out right. They're starting to do some tests. They planned it already for Sacramento. We were up there today talking to the legislators about all this whole thing and how did that go well. It was pretty amazing. We we read the bill. The bill is and this is the bill that we have to fight. Okay this is called Senate bill. Six four nine the wireless telecommunications facilities bill it is a gift to the wireless industry that has no basis us back to the One Thousand Ninety six telecommunications act what they said at that time was a national priority for people to be able to make calls and text messages pitches and therefore we should encourage the build out of antennas to enable people to do that twenty years later we've achieved the goal ninety nine percent percent of all people in America have a choice of two or three carriers to choose from in order or at least that many in order to be able to to make calls and text messages coverage is complete even though there are some rural areas that might not be so great at the end of the day when you get to ninety nine percent from the law standpoint appoint coverage is complete. What they're doing is they want capacity and all that means is you choose to download the video onto a Weiss? That's not a good move. You don't WanNa watch any of your video wirelessly early. You would much rather use an Ethernet core every go you get much faster speeds and you get none of the radiation problems and it turns out with a USB adapter. This is the Microsoft surface tablet but it works exactly the same for an IPAD or android tablet or anything else you can and do a wire you can even get a special adapter. Go into the bottom of your iphone and two right here. No it would need a white adapter from the apple store. You're US another one. But it's all my website responsible IPAD DOT com. You actually can learn how to do it. But the point is almost every modern device that we we use today can be connected by wire. You don't need a Wifi router and you don't actually need to touch the towers in order to use your devices while at home uh-huh and this is my strong suggestion for everyone is if you can actually go to wired internet connectivity. You're going to get faster more reliable and more secure connections. I'm going to tell you the truth if you're running Wifi router at home or school or anywhere else and my desire is to capture your signal. No problem I buy a one hundred dollars device sticking on my laptop drive my car to the curb and I capture one hundred percent of the traffic on your home network or your school's network and I sift through it. Some of it might be encrypted other Stuff might not the stuff. That's not I take a look at now spying completely by anybody with one hundred dollar device. Oh Ooh I'm just telling you if you had a pedophile in town. Who wanted to figure out how to target children is exactly what they would do? They would take their laptop in in their car drive to the curb outside the school and they're looking for mistakes there who are the weakest users of any system children. What our children I'm doing? They're sending pictures of themselves to their friends and they're making times to meet that's the perfect information for pedophile. To have oh you you would have no risk at all if that school went to one hundred percent wired Ethernet which is what we've been telling Petaluma city school systems do for three years and they will not listen we've had scientists from all over the world right them important letters telling them for the health of the children shift to wire they'd l.. Listen we've actually brought experts in to talk to them from all around the country telling exactly why they don't need to spend millions and millions of dollars to put Wi routers into the classroom and spend money on ipads but they won't listen and so they are they Get money get the incentive for their pension system if you take a look at the pension system for the California education is most heavily invested into CISCO CISCO and apple so for their own and the money for this they will trade off the health of your children. Believe me children are more sensitive to wireless wireless than anyone else. And they're going to have it for a much longer period of their lives. Look we got wi fi. Roughly ten twelve years ago okay. People who got smart started cutting out using little fossil. I don't have any WIFI miles zero. I only use wires right and I recommend everybody out there. Go a youth net wiring. It is very simple and easy to do. Well it's the actually. We used it in the beginning and you still use it. It's the best way to do it for the answer for everybody the rural communities and everything else one big if we got fiber optic cables. Because they're doing this and San Francisco they're going to take to. And they just announced assistant march of this year and the and the chronicle they're gonNA try to hook up all the residential units San Francisco on a fiber optic connection and that's excellent suggestion and for anybody right. It's more expensive to dig it but if you can get it so much faster so much better. Yeah so the idea is understand what wireless wireless will give you a little but of mobile connectivity for the Quick Texan the call when you need it but it's not something you should do every day for entertainment and hanging out and the rest of it do all all of your video stuff by wire. Okay because I have meters and my meters measure when you download a video here the experts will tell you that maybe they measure it in a million of called micro watt per square meter as just one of those standards. Okay an an adult is about two you square meters like front and back and child might be one square meter. Okay so they think. Maybe three to six micro watts per square meter might be tolerable by our biology but when you download a video you're getting about one hundred seventy five to two hundred thousand in a three foot radius around the device so you sit down and decide. It's time to watch a video. You have choice everybody on the couch. Let's put it through a wire coaxial cable. TV No problems war you could stream wirelessly and then it goes through your children's brains for two hours on the waited the screen. There's no sense this. The ideas understand what you're doing and make better choices for yourself. Well that's why you're here to help. Educate educate so but where it gets the rubber meets. The road is in those places where you have forced exposures meaning that you have control over your phone you you can turn your antennas on and off. I choose to run WI FI or not on my tablet but when it comes to that cell phone tower or that wireless access point in a school. Oh I can't turn that off. So now we have forced exposure to all children every single minute of their day completely on this choice and well l.. We should have choices. We stand up and say no they should say this is not unconscionable you do not need to run the wireless access point twenty four hours a day if there's a one hour lesson you don't need that which you all need to do is switch to wire. Turn all the wireless access points off when the students are on campus and and now you've solved the problem if the adult is great because there is a solution absolutely and it's very expensive and insecure solution. But if if is the employees want to use wireless on their own time when the kids are not there. Hey they have the freedom to do that. Okay that's what every employer can allow but you cannot force this exposure on children now cell phone towers cellphone also a force exposure. Because you can't turn those off. And if you are unfortunate a person who lives within roughly fifteen hundred feet of a cell phone tower you are experiencing a cancer cluster. And this has been documented all over the world there are many many cancer clusters across many different countries. And you can see that the cancer rates get higher as you get closer to these towers when you say cancer cluster. You're saying that the population shouldn't around their house cancer correct. So if you're five hundred feet they have more cancer thousand feet a little bit less cancer. Fifteen hundred feet even a little less finally make get to twenty five hundred feet to cancer rates match about the general population. Okay so you have to get out about two thousand five hundred feet before you're out of danger zone. What is about out to happen? There's legislation at the federal level right now. Call Senate Bill S. Nineteen the mobile now. Act There are state bills going out right now. The one in California's espy six. Four nine wires telecommunications act they are proposing to take away all local control all of where they're gonNA put these quote Unquote Small Cell Antennas. Here's the kicker they use words like. Oh it's the size of a pizza box. We're we're looking at Domino's pizza. It's pretty thin. You know maybe about this big right well. Data ten is maybe this big but it's a lot deeper. It's about three to six cubic feet of okay but that's GonNa go on your telephone poles. Ask Your House and the utility the Light Poles. If you don't have any holes in your neighborhood when you have just like Nice light fans they're going to stick them on those and beyond that they have decided that any power supply the electricity that mixed on a ton of work they have an electrical cabinet for that. And what I WANNA do is show you how big this can get. The legislation allows every poll and non pole structure to have a structure. This big nick. This is thirty five cubic feet right here. It's like a big refrigerator and twenty eight is maybe about a foot lower. Okay okay. These are the sizes that are allowed to be next to your polls on your sidewalks in order to power the the pizza box size but very deep antennas. I'm telling you this is a lot of power. If you look at your wireless router eight eight. Oh two John Eleven or AC. Those are the new standards for Wifi. It has a power supply. This maybe this big and you plug it in. It will go five hundred seven hundred feet in all directions. These antennas are putting on these polls or supposed to only go five hundred and seven feet in all directions. My question is why do you need a refrigerator. frigerator sized power supply in order to make a small antenna work. And the answer is you don't and this. Is the problem all cell phone towers. I'M GONNA do this out of the frame and come back in lips. I I went around. Let me get back here. We'll fix it. We'll fix that. Also phone towers are supposed to run a certain power level right back. There's no policing doesn't police it. There's nobody hired to do it. Nobody measures it. Nothing goes on an independent guy. Went out and measured whole organization went and did about a fifteen hundred hours and they found that over fifteen percent of all cell phone towers are running way hot much watch much higher than they're allowed to by law and what's allowed by law is much higher than what should be allowed and so at the end the day they were putting these huge power supplies right behind the tennis which are twenty feet ten feet from your second story bedroom window. Twenty four seven. The three sixty five. I am asking anybody listening to this to pay attention. And you want to talk to your state senator. That is Mike McGuire. Mike McGuire is the chairman of the Senate Governance and Finance Committee. He is going to be holding a hearing on this bill. and He needs to hear from from you he needs you to show up in Sacramento when it's going to be two or three weeks from today or if I should say tomorrow. It's definitely on a Wednesday. It's probably the third third or fourth week of April. It hasn't been scheduled yet but we talked to him today. We went up until we know. When it's scheduled we will probably know within a week? Okay Okay but look. Don't wait right. I'm calling email him and then plan to show up. We need tens of thousands of people to say no we we do not want cell phone towers twenty feet from our second story bedroom windows. It is completely unnecessary. There is already ninety. Nine percent of the people could send a phone call on a text. This is a mature industry. They have achieved their goal. They have ninety nine percent coverage they just need to calm down and not worry about the revenue growth and accept what we give them every year and be happy with it. We do not need Kamal Cells. We do not need these small small waves the waves themselves. If they get to be a problem right now. Wi Fi is anywhere from five. I've interested two inches. The problem with understanding wavelength is in resonance residences of something. That's very very well known. When a wave approximates seismic wave microwave approximates the size of the organism you will absorb an exponential amount of energy so this is already in the guideline when the waves get to be three the two six feet the height of people they have to cut it back by ninety eight percent? Oh my just because people will take on that much more energy and it's hazardous not. There's no magic to the height of a person. It's also the dimensions of your organs. So WIFI is five inches. Inches organs are new are five inches. That would be pancreas and spleen. And maybe heart and you take a look at six. And seven hundred megahertz. That's about fifteen eighteen inches that's about a woman's womb full of water and excellent antenna and that makes that resonance when you look at a half inch wave save it's going to be resonant on bees you must understand where thousands of these are down to ten percent of what they used to be. You have to understand this and there are many many reasons of what they put out there. For why the bees might be going down. But we understand that bees mostly navigate applegate by magnetic means and this electromagnetic radiation confuses the FBI's and if we allow half inch waves out into the environment. It will actually wipe out the bees because resonant no I mean completes Yeah Oh and so for an agricultural state help. We need help. We not put half inch waves everywhere. That's what we need to do so millimeter. Waves are just a bad idea. And you need lots of antennas to make millimeter millimeter. Waves work just no. We don't need them at all what we want is. We'll stick with the cell phone towers that we have the existing four g service. It is good enough enough. If you calm down with your forty service right now and you go to wired at home you're gonna hit the sweet spot. You're going to be in a place where you get so wireless day but not enough to really damage you. You're a social smoker if you it's still damaging though to some degree as one or two or five cigarettes would be everything is a trade off right you choose to drive. We could kill ourselves. We understand that. That's also part of the trade off here but you don't want such saturation Russian. In such small ways that requires such a dense. Antennas with such huge power of two litter everything in our neighborhoods leads to make them ugly unlivable and with no place to go and relax. You'd much rather have cell phone towers farther away and just put put off with maybe a little less perfect surface once in a while using less use your landline more connection more. It's become such an addiction. It's it's compulsive behavior anyway so we you know we need to help pull away from that with being educated like your the whole point is you can use your technology wisely and sparingly and still get the job done without pushing yourself into the dangerous on. This isn't the sky is falling falling. This is saying to you. Hey you have control over your own local community you can do something about it. You can register your desire to with your state. Senators say you do not want cell phone towers and big power supplies like that. Literally your book because let's think about it way back when we had one set of copper wires for telephone lines right and we had a whole bunch of long distance companies. Selling is different plans. They were competing but they all share that one set of copper mines. We need the same thing for fiber optic. We need one set of fiber optic going everywhere and allow the companies to compete on that one set of fiber optic. And you said that's happening being in San Francisco the San Francisco but we need that everywhere. That is the answer. That is where the money needs to go. That is not sexy that is not unknown. The brand new but it is the right answer. You can move data so much more energy efficiently over glassfibre than trying to spray it through the air you lose over energy just trying to spread through the air well. I think that you know I hate to say this but I I'm going to say it. I still think that this is part of a plan to numb the brains of human beings on this planet and also to depopulate it. Definitely only departments have to say this. Because I've done enough research with the GEO engineering that it's A. It's another way to to to depopulate all. You need to go to the science and you understand that Wifi with the phone in the pocket wiping out sperm the sperm all across the world of dropping like a rock. It's very very easy. Just Google three words cell phone testicle and read okay. You can also understand that it's truly affecting the ova the thing because the young girls are born with all of the eggs they ever get at birth and then throughout their lives. Some of those eggs will mature. Sure but if you have an IPAD or phone and you're holding it here close to your abdomen. You have a young girl doing this for hours. At a time she is a radiating this important portent abdomen and she is potentially damaging Oliver Ovaries and so they have done the studies. They've done five generations of mice. Hugh Taylor at Yale off and they figured out that after five generations they're these mice are completely sterile. Of course there's always going to be some translation of mice and rats studies to humans. But that's what we do all of our drug work on mice and rats. It's a model. That's very well known. And so we have to trust what the scientists are saying right right so the National Toxicology Program's proving that it's hazardous is already hazardous to Melatonin production suppresses suppresses your immune system and you should be aware of the initial symptoms of radiation sickness because kids are having school today. These are nosebleeds. Here bleeds headaches headaches. The Go away when they come home but they get them when they go to school migraines I mean there are kids all over the country dropping dead of heart attacks. Good athletes drop dead architects in school. Settings should not be the happening but heart palpitations tech cardio. Also come from microwave radiation exposure. So the point is there's a lot of evidence of what is happening winning but people just need to wake up and decide Do we really need this school. He answers no right. You're not a mobile population. You are as population when you have a building. That building can actually be wired and in fact it is wired already because ninety percent of the signal goes through wires to get to the wireless access point. You just need a few extra sure wires. Same thing for your house your signals probably coming to you by wire coming to you by comcast or it's coming by DSL. You could choose to keep it all wired wired all right you wouldn't need a stitch wireless you need a little wire this if you need to make a call once in a while so cool turn it on make the short call. Turn in Tennessee back off. Now we're talking now. We're getting most of our data through wire and we're talking about a little bit of data through the phone on once in awhile there. You go if you do that. These are real solutions and cost much money right it. Just you don't have to buy fancy little shields or amulets or other kinds of cases or anything like that it just turn on. Hannah's awareness education their business on a dime. Just just turn these things off. Turn these things off. Tell your legislators no you do not want five G. or distributed antenna systems anywhere near your neighborhoods Abras. You want to make sure that your cell phone towers are sighted far away back going. I got cell phone towers the California Public Utilities Commission in Nineteen ninety-three made aide very good guidelines and they protected our schools and our hospitals and our old folks homes and they made sure to psych them further away. So what happened. We got the Nineteen Ninety six telecommunications act and that said specifically local communities cannot fight placement of a cell phone tower for environmental effects. It does not say for health effects. That is why you need to read the law and you need to apply the law properly. That's the law environment is health will want to say to you. Is that what you experience. Appearance in your body is different from environment. Environment is the in a land and the water in the things in which you live your own. Internal biology lodged is not environmental. It is personal health from a legal standpoint. You understand that there is a separation and a distinction there here because the law only applies to environmental effects it does not apply to health effects and the local communities states have a legal duty through the California Constitution Itution to protect the health of California residents and they are not doing. No they're not doing and we need to force them to do it right now. Yes we need. The Health Committee of the Senate to review SB six four nine and do a careful review of the national toxicology program results to make sure we are translating letting our best government knowledge into better action plans. That's what I'm trying to ask everybody excited doodles. Here's here's how you can find out more. There's websites there. WE HAVE SCIENTISTS FOR WIRED TECH DOT COM. That's science the number for wired tech DOT com. I will put this on no problem up there. You will find a lot of information about these bills and what you can do to get involved involved okay. There are a number of very good links from that website in order to learn how to manage these things responsible ipad dot com. That's perfect for parents. You will learn specifically. How do I turn my phone off? We have step by step instructions. He will learn specifically. What are the best asked adapters to use very easy? Very low cost. You will learn this little nugget. And I'll tell your viewers right now. Every single wireless Ellis router that was purchasing the last six or seven years. That has a W. P. S. standard is one that comes with a little little password printed on the bottom and allegedly. This is so in case you forget your password. You can use the one on the bottom to reset reset your password. Put a better pass default. Okay this is what happened the. NSA got involved in the setting of that standard and so turns out that that imprinted password on the bottom of each unit can be knocked over by anyone with a little bit of script power in less than two minutes. Every single single wireless router if people have in their homes is completely insecure. Anyone the government or a hacker sitting in Ukraine can knock over your your home router in under two minutes because it has a WPN standard and the technical way that they created that password made it easy to brute force. It in eleven thousand tries. God so I'm GonNa tell you right. Now go to Amazon this device it is a fifty or sixty dollar device. It's called ubiquity edge router ex. It is a wired router that you want to go from your modem to This wired router. Before you go to your wireless router by doing so you have taken that threat away that means the. NSA can't come and get you whenever they want and know hackers come get you. It is a commercial grade wired router for fifty or sixty dollars it is the best buy you can make for your own own home security. I just had my account with Uber Haft so easy to get hacked these days so the point is I mean. They stole my money. I know and they are siphoning money all over the place. The banks are losing billions this way but they don't talk about it while I'm I am so angry I I've already ready done an interview with seven and they're gonNA put it on. Let's if people learn a little bit about security and they learn about how a few of these things are stacked against them. You have a chance. That ubiquitous thing is a gift to us by that company. They do mostly thousand dollars but they gave us one for fifty or sixty bucks just because they know. It's a big problem so we thank them for that. And I don't know any any stock and ubiquity it. I don't know them as a company and make no money from that recommendation. I just bought it myself. I set it up when I learned about it and I took care of it right away. I'm going to recommend that everybody do the same. Wow Wow so. You want to ten permanent ubiquity ubiquity the U. B. I. Q.. It ubiquity okay. So that's another link that we put on the show notes. Yeah absolutely so oh I hope I shared a little bit with. What's in front of us right now? There is more technical stuff about what's wireless radiation. How does it really work it just as a cloud around around you? Whenever you're downloading something wirelessly and think about it this way? It's that matters the size of the data that you're asking for so if I'm sitting here and I'm doing a text message okay. It's a little piece of data. That's like a fruit. Fly Coming at me okay. I don't need much of a connection from the tower to get a little piece as a text on few ones ears much. If I'm getting a big juicy picture at a little more radiation if I choose to download a video this dumb dumb thing okay. Now I'm getting an aircraft carrier and if you think five Jesus good idea that's a flotilla of aircraft carriers carrier coming at you. Okay you're wirelessly. You can't say that enough in my bottom line is you. Don't want it or need it. You'll get it faster through a wire no matter what happens but see. There's a solution and that that is the key. That's it your friends on. Always why Paul I thank you so so much. I know that you could probably talk for a couple more hours. We lost a few people. Well no but it's I mean hopefully we've at least done the basics. I think so and it. This is so important and this is why I did this. I mean I did it impromptu. But Hey this value what you're doing and educating and thank you I'm great. Scientists number four wire dot com. 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