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Gold Standard Ep. 1 - Kittle and 49ers still moving slowly on contract

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29:58 min | 2 months ago

Gold Standard Ep. 1 - Kittle and 49ers still moving slowly on contract

"What is up everybody? Welcome to the very first edition of a gold standard niners nation podcast. I'm your host, Rob Status Guerrero alongside Levin Black, and we are very excited soon, be bringing you the latest. The forty niners. We've got a lot of good things lined up for this podcast. Levin, how you doing? I'm doing good been. Really. Slow off season, but we're getting close to that actual season hopefully. Normally, I would be saying I view in the air, you could smell it. It's time, but it's just feels different this year because of everything going on what we're still going to try and bring you obviously the best possible forty niners coverage Just really quick want to give you a quick intro to who we are I was at ESPN radio for about five years I worked on. On Mike and Mike then for the last five years, I was with pro football talk with Mike Florio producing his show, and while I was doing that last year I was a part of the forty niners webs on podcast, and now I'm sort of leading things here on the niners nation podcast side of things and the the sort of my experience eleven is basically king of the north. I'll take that. That's actually. My brother would be disappointed to hear that because during the so quarantine, he's been growing out his hair and facial hair to try to look like Jon snow, but I'll tell you. I'll let him know that that King of the north is reserved already. I'm grateful Lavon was with me on the forty niners web zone podcast and I'm grateful that you decided to follow me here and become part of niners nation. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to continue to burst your bubble. Thanks. So yeah, that's basically the show in a nutshell. Is I get crazy about things and Levin makes fun of me for and tells me why I'm vastly overreacting. Or why you shouldn't like. Madden. Football. which yeah, you're crazy about it's coming out pretty soon by the way, but we're looking to build a great lineup for you. Like I said, we want to have a little bit of something. No matter what kind of fan you are every day of the week, we're gonNA have different content whether it's reaction to games or film breakdown a reaction to the press conference each week, we wanna be your goto place for everything right and gold, and that's why we are the gold standard podcasts so. Now that we've got that out of the way, let's get into the meat of the show. Three things that we're gonNA talk about in this episode I, more news about the George Kitto contract. His agent says, there has been quote minimal progress in talks with the team Steve Young things. This year will prove if the forty niners are for real and can be a contender going forward and last, but not least von Kindle. How look so far? What? What are the teammates saying about them and basically, can we believe it at this point? So let's dive right into it. Levin Kill, and the forty niners have not been moving as fastest. Certainly, some of the fans want with the contract talks. Every little bit of Info we seem to get from. Mike. Silver puts these negotiations in sort of a negative light. Where do you think they are with Kiddo right now? Where do you think it goes going forward? Well. Recently, I learned some things that I can't. Share publicly the kind of changed my opinion. I'm. All. I can really say is I more firmly in kittles sight of this. Then the forty niners, which is kind of surprising because you would think the forty niners would step up and basically just pay the man. What? Just just tell us just you and me. Yeah because it's not really my info to share somebody told me, and this is why you should take it with a grain of salt. We all know this niners regime is very tightlipped So I'm not saying one hundred percent, it's. It's the way it is, but I was told something that was told to somebody else from somebody who had no So take it for what it is, but I am much more firmly in Kittles side of it. Do. You think that most fans will agree with you like I think that there comes a point where even though everybody loves George Kitto like at some point does begin to turn and the fans start saying, Hey, man, the niners WanNa make you the highest pay tight end of all time and they think you're great and you want more than that. You're being too greedy. I think if they got all the Info at least from what I've been told, they would side with Gidel but it's also close enough to where it could be spun and depending on how it comes out and who tells what? If it ever comes out It could also go to the niners. I have no idea what you just said. I'm saying there's some finite. It's more in the. Details of the negotiations of Wyatt goes to kill them in the grand scheme numbers. But. I. Feel like that's never really gonNA come out, right? Because they're going to end deal done eventually, and then there'd be no reason for any of it to come out or they don't get a deal done and the forty niners are going to be in full spin mode at this point, trying to paint George Kitto as greedy gusts. And people are going to not believe anything coming out of. Kittles Cam. Yeah minute. It really goes two ways when it comes to this and it's that he get straight, he gets a big contract from somebody else. Now, the one way that this could go to the capital side is if the contract he signed with the other team is lower than expected and they go. Well, if that's what he got, why did niners give it to them? Not One way that I could see kiddle looking good in this, but I mean I I do think something gets done. The both sides are content with because. This more. So than a lot of negotiations that get to this point. Both sides are better off together. KITTLE is going to give more opportunity. He's going to look better have more of a chance at a hall of fame career being paired with Kyle Shanahan meanwhile. The niners very much need. George biddle, especially, his blocking in the run game because he makes an outside zone blocking scheme so much better. Here's a one thing I don't get. Kittles side, and this is according Mike Silver is pushing the idea that great you WanNa. Make us the highest pay tight end. But we're more than that. We're more than a tight end and I would argue no at based on what? What is it tight on? Have to do catch the ball and block really well, and kittles awesome at both of those things. But isn't that what he's supposed to be? Awesome. What is the argument that he's more than tied at? Because you don't, you don't find guys who are not only one of the best blocking tight ends in the NFL. But also one of the best receiving tides Y-, you guys who are considered potential hall of famers in a Travis. Kelsey. Who is a tremendous receiver and a below average to average blocker depending on who you ask, it's very, very rare and I would argue at this point in time, he is probably the most complete tied in. We've ever seen because we've never seen a tight end who can block this well and received this well, which is why especially your? People who studied game film? In the NFL rave about him so much because on film he does stuff that no other tight end has been able to achieve. But those are still part of your job as a tight end like he's I. He's not doing anything that. Tight ends don't do. He's just doing the things they do really. Well, you could say that for any position Patrick. Mahomes, isn't doing anything quarterbacks aren't supposed to do. He's just doing a lot better than anybody else me. What are they doing moms? They made him the highest paid quarterback ever. So there you go. Got I don't know. Obviously, I want you to be a part of the team I bought a kindle Jersey. Last year was the first forty NINERS JERSEY? I've paid for. I bought in years from last one was a Frank Gore Jersey so that I'll tell you how long ago. It's been stipe. Wada Jersey I, want them to get this. But. You know being in this business now for fifteen years, I also kind of side with. If. They don't get it on like they can win without him. They'll find a way they can, and that might be where the niners sitting that they. Hey, we add the offensive genius of a coach who can manufacture offense and he doesn't necessarily need and all world tight end. That's more of a luxury than what's necessarily needed in this offense and to be honest if this drags the season. And somebody like Brandon, ao looks like the real deal kit alluded a little bit of leverage because Shanahan an even more. Hey, we don't necessarily need him. We can find somebody who's good enough a tight end. And we now have their receivers to make his offense go. Do you think that there was a little in the back of Shanahan's mind like, Hey, let's sign Jordan Reed. If things are crazy with kill I, mean, say what you want about read. He has injury issues for sure concussion as but he's talented. He's a very good player, not saying George kittle. But I wonder if Shanahan's like I can take a guy like Jordan Reed and put up similar stuff to what George has been doing. They'll be a hit in the run game side of it, which is obviously. Much more valuable to the niners than almost any other offense because they run so much especially involving the tight end being part of where the whole is going to be. But yeah, I mean I would say that that was the small part of the signing. I think a larger part of it was the niners want contended contingencies and quality backups anywhere. They can get it due to the unknown of Kobe. What happens George Gidel. Has To, quarantine for two weeks. You. Don't WANNA have a rookie low round draft pick. And a guy who's not really a receiving Titan, you know you want that back. and. We're going to get into sort of where the forty niners stand in terms of dealing with Cova this season and something Steve Young said that really I thought kind of crystallized. where he thinks the forty niners are and where they could go in the years to come that and more coming up after this. Support for this podcast comes from state farm with pricing. Great rates, state farm, is the real deal when it comes to home in car. Insurance. State. 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The niners will definitely be the hunted and not hunter this year. Do you think that what Steve Young said holds up if they can do this year that they will sort of established themselves for the next five years as one of the elite teams in the League. I, think it could. It's obviously one of the most difficult things to do and Steve would know he was part of that seventeen year run of ten plus wins every single year for the forty niners, and that is like I said a very difficult thing to do, and we have seen time and time again in NFL, history teams come up they. They get a twelve thirteen when season. Maybe they don't quite make the super bowl like the niners dead. But they they make some noise. They're young everybody says, Hey, this is a team to be reckoned with for years to come, and then for one reason or another, they break apart and they only only ended up having one or two years over a five year period where they actually even made the playoffs I mean it. It happens, and this is the year that will kind of answer that question for the forty niners, one of the things i. I thought was interesting Kyle. US check said on. Tuesday, he pointed out that so many parts of this forty niners lineup are so versatile that they basically have a team full of interchangeable parts. So if something did happen with with one of the running backs and covert or maybe one of the wide receivers that there are so many guys that sort of have redundant skills that they can sort of keep the train rolling a little bit I. Actually thought that made a lot of sense. Yeah. It does and I, think that's part of that is by. By design, and we saw that a lot last year I. mean how many different positions on the offensive line briscoe play and it's already been talked about in training camp that he is still getting some work at center and tackle even though he's expected to be the starter at guard, and it's because they know if there's an injury there, he's GonNa slide over. But you know say there's an injury to mcglinchey or train Williams briscoe would likely move over to tackle because it's the more important position and somebody else would plug in the guard spot so. The niners are aware of that, and I, think that is one of the things they look for when they're drafting for that positional versatility. One of the guys he mentioned was Jerick Mckinnon and I feel like we've we've been on this train before Levin like I, I keep hearing about Jerick McKinnon, how good he looks and how good he of big A. A party can be in this offense lining up in the slot catching balls out of the backfield. All that stop and Juerg McKinnon has not played a single snap for the forty niners in two years. Are you buying jet stock right now while I'm glad you said jet stock because you said train earlier. Okay, and it's not a train. It's a jet. But a I would say, I'm making a small by I. Do believe that from what all the all the players have been Kinda raving McKinnon looks like the real deal he's not been hampered. He hasn't really lost anything due to the injuries, which is certainly possible. We've seen guys who have. All this talent, all this athleticism. They have a couple of knee injuries and they come back and everybody's older finally healthy, and then you see him on the field for the first and you go there. That's not the same guy at certainly seems like jet is the same guy as before which was a guy. They had an off the charts spark score and was a guy that was able to be A. Maybe not a dynamic runner, but a dynamic receiver as a running back, and that is really big for Kyle Shanahan. We we saw in the past where he said, he had all these plays designed for jet in the passing game that he had to rip out of his playbook when he got injured that first year. So, if he's finally out yet to big thing, but we all know his injury history. So I want to buy in because of what people are saying, but this is more of a I'm going to buy a small amount. I'm not buying it. All the niners are buying stock in two rookies, and you've talked a little bit about Brandon and also divine Kenley and something else you Shek said on Tuesday that I thought was interesting. He pointed out that. So, many of the guys are coming back that they're not starting from square one with this offense, and even though you might think that would be tough on a rookie use check basically said when everyone around you sort of knows what they're doing already one, it puts pressure on you to figure it out, but also it helps you figure it out because. The water's not muddy. So to speak, you can look around and other people and see what they're doing, and that will help you figure out what you're supposed to be doing and I never thought about it. That way 'cause I always thought, hey, it's going to be tough for the rookies. Sheridan system is really difficult to learn Yada. Yada but juice kind of gave me a little different perspective today, and now I'm sort of more optimistic that these guys can contribute right away. Right I. Mean It. It's almost like having a teacher's aide but having multiple of them when you have guys who have multiple years in Kyle Shanahan system. Or an Robert saunas system, they can help you almost like a teacher's aide. Hey. If you have a question, Hey, if you're walking into you not hundred percent sure they receive or next to you saying it this you know or whatever, and it certainly helps you and. In this season coming up where you could see a lot of guys playing that otherwise wouldn't do to covert reasons. It could be a really big advantage for the forty niners and no preseason game kills me because part of me is like Oh. That's so bad for these guys to knock it that experience. Is. Like. S. Jalen. Hurd is not going to get hurt and a preseason game. This year trend Taylor's knocking. Re break his foot. You know like I'm. Part of me is Kinda like. Keep these guys sort of in bubble wrap until week one, and then we'll roll the dice and take our chances. Right. For once we're actually see these guys on the field assuming there's not a training camp injury which they're limited to a certain extent on how much they can be doing together. So, there's less chance of an injury but. You're going to see her on the field even if he eventually gets hurt on the real field, but you're going to see those guys and that's exciting because we haven't seen those guys I mean. We've been hearing what this year three now on the jet hype. This is your to on the heard hype. This is year three of going and we'll Trent Taylor was Jimmy Garoppolo favorite target. He could be a really big key to the niners offense. Well, now, we finally get to see it on the field assuming all those guys make it, which I think all three of those are pretty safe bets a little more on Kin, law. Because I've seen a lot of praise from praise of him from Eric, Armstead, nick, Bosa sets of nick both said, he's a good kid which is funny because both of the age difference between them is like twenty days literally. But I'm trying to be cautiously excited here because I remember last year. The praise for Nick. Bosa was people were going not saying the same thing. He's really good. He doesn't look like a rookie which I've heard people say about kin law. Am I crazy. If I start to think like, Hey, maybe this guy could be an impact player. You're one erling. It's crazy to think that, but I do think it's People should maybe temper their excitement and the reason I say that is not because I don't believe in him not because I wasn't excited to watch the film on him when he was coming out and the niners drafted him. But because a lot of that praise is saying while he's a huge guy, I'm so amazed at how big he is. While defensive line isn't necessarily about size. A lot of it's about technique Minero. Donald is not the biggest defensive tackle. He's actually on the small side for defensive tackles. He dominates because of his burst and because of his techniques. That is big as anything. So. I'm Kinda I, had been seen that hype and I I've been kind of trying to keep my mouth shut about it because I don't want to squash people's hype dreams when there's been so little going on, but a lot of the hype has just been about how big is. That doesn't really mean a whole lot. Levin Black Rusher of dreams. I will say the one spot on the niners defense where I feel like you could run was up the middle, and that's where buckner was I mean that was his spot. So if Kinloch, can at least be a more stout up the middle, that'd be something that I don't think it's crazy to think that it would be an improvement over over deforest buckner. And I wouldn't necessarily say deforest buckner was the reason the running up the middle was able to be done. A lot of injuries on that other defensive tackle position for rundowns because obviously armstead rotated to the outside on rundowns and arms dead on the outside. For obvious. Rushing downs is phenomenal in that role because he's really big for defensive end and then you had nick Bozon the other side. Well, you're not. You're not running that nick, Nick Boza, you're running away from him. So the obvious answer was go. Go right up the middle and with the niners being in the white nine technique, it's easier to run up the middle. So I know how much he's going to help in that regard or the other guys coming back healthy. Hopefully, they were injured last year, the defensive tackle position because part of it is just by the way in which they line up. There's not anything you can do about that. Yeah. Wouldn't it be terrible if the niners defense was just as good as they were last year. Okay, go ahead and run on on the niners. See how that works out for you in the offense is going to score on the other side of that. That's the thing when you're a really good team, a lot times you're leading and the other team can't really just run the ball. Yeah. That's an this niners defense is so set up for that scenario like that is exactly the game. They WANNA play get a lead on you early and then you. You have to pass the try and catch up that defensive line in that front seven is just gonNa just gonna eat because that's exactly what they're designed to do. Especially, if D, Ford can play more than twenty percent of the snaps right it. It reminds me of a team that dominated throughout the two thousand and I don't like to throw it out there because I quite honestly hated this team because it was the local team when I was growing up. and. I got sick of hearing all their stuff and they ended up on the winning one super bowl but. They very much are alike, the Indianapolis. Colts of the early two thousands they WANNA get a lead and when they get a lead, they got Robert Mathis and they got white for any coming off those edges and good luck holding up when those guys can just speed rushing come at you or do you do the patent spin move white for any? If you give a green light Nick Boza, Andy for coming off the edge good luck, and that's by design, you get dominant edge players and you have a good offense. There's GonNa, be a lot of games where you're playing with the lead and the offense isn't going to have a chance to come back on the other side. The crazy thing about Bo says, he doesn't have a patented move, isn't a patented spin move? He a wins every time. Let's. His patented moves being a man child being more. I'm a guy is just from top to bottom. There's no weakness whether it's you talking technique or his body. You know he's not. He's not somebody that's all his strength in his legs or all his strength and his upper body in. If you get low on him, you can move him. He doesn't have that He. He is somebody that literally. Since, probably birth has been getting molded by his family of football people to be what he is. and. Did you see that I don't know if you've seen any of the quotes from him? Basically, he's like I've been doing for the past six months is working out. I didn't have to worry about like the combine draft proper. Any of that stuff. He just basically been like in a garage somewhere working out with Joey Bosa every day and he he said himself, he's been working. Working on stuff and he knows last year, he said I would win a lot of my rushes and I still wouldn't wouldn't seal the deal wouldn't get there for the sack. So he knows exactly where he needs to improve just picture him like in a garage like rocky style training montage day for six months, and if he's better than he was last year I mean look out. If. Last year was a nick. Bozo. Out a whole lot mean. Man, I want some of those genes cause. I don't work out and I. Don't look like that. Do you think latch years the worst Nick Bosa that will see. No I mean, we had all it. It's possible, but he had a year where. From a lot of the people were saying, he shouldn't be in defensive rookie of the year conversation. He should be defensive player of the year conversation. You people have down years. Injuries can happen the console you down and he's going to age. So it's not the worst we've seen and I think he is a guy. The niners are GonNa make stick around for ten years? They're gonNA pay what it takes to keep that guy around for his entire prime. You know. Wouldn't we have said about George Kettlebells to where we are. Time will tell. Time will tell and I i. think it's different having an offense of coach who is very confident in his ability to create offense regardless of what players. Yes. I mean Kyle Shannon. The guy that came into his first year ago, and yeah. Sure. I'll roll with Brian. HEUER's my quarterback. That has to be part of it too. Though, right? Like Shinhan is not breaking down, John Lynch is door pound the table saying we gotta have this guy, get this done whereas you're saying, you think for Knick Bosa, he would because he's like you can't manufacture a Nick Bosa you either a born with this ability or you're not whereas he thinks he can sort of jerry rig things for the offense. I think there's only two positions on offense that, Kyle? Shanahan would say I'm going to pay if I get somebody of quality there, and that's your offensive tackles and your quarterback. That's. That's a unique situation. I think and. I will say, everybody's saying all the niners gonNA, extend juice. I'm not one hundred percent convinced. It depends on what his numbers because I think there are there at a different stage. Now, they had the luxury of paying that much for a full back in the past the there at that point where they're not, they don't have that luxury anymore and they're gonNA have to make some tough. Tough decisions, and that might be the one that make. But I do think Kyle Shanahan prioritizes if I get good quarterback, I'm not letting them go and if I have good tackles, I need them for this offense and because he does have a unique offensive tackle, he needs somebody that's not only good. But his athletic enough to be running down the field and blocking due to his. One more thing. You just made me. Think of I know we didn't talk about this ahead of time. So we saw the niners give up pick to get drunk. Williams? We saw the niners give up to multiple picks to get Emmanuel Sanders. Given the fact that we don't know the state of football right now just on. Tuesday. The big ten said, there's not going to be any football. The PAC twelve says, there's not going to be any football. There may not even be a college football season given that fact. If, we get two, week, three, week four and something's missing for the forty niners. Do you think they're more likely to try to pick for next year just because you know? Who knows what the draft is? GonNa be an scouting situation is going to be so they may do you think they'll say, hey, we'll give you a second round pick or maybe even a first round pick I. think it's a little bit more likely, but you also don't WanNa. Just assume that the draft is GONNA be bad. I. Mean. I think every team, every front office has a lot of confidence in their scouts in. It's not like missing one season changes. Everything that you've seen before. It's not like you know, say basketball where. That one season might be the only season that guy plays in college. You got other years that you can look at film and. Yes. It's a disadvantage. If a guy didn't play that next year, you know you can point to Joe Borough nobody thought he was going to be a first round pick prior to the season and he ended up being number one overall. But some film out there. You can get some idea and I think every team has confidence in their scouts, but I will say. Or argue that the PAC twelve doesn't even play football anyways. I'm a big ten guy. So I got say that I knew it was gonna be a pack of. Waiting for it. Yeah, take that I. Know Niner fans are by enlarge packed twelve fans, but I grew up ten country. So I know what real football's like. They ain't going to be playing real football is all. Some might there's a lot of there's a lot of contention there in amongst the big ten teams even in Nebraska's already said that they're looking into options to still play. I don't even want to say anything because. I'm this post, the it's going to be all different. Anyway, it's crazy. I'M GONNA leave it there and that is going to up the first ever gold standard niners nation podcast. You can always hit us up on twitter I'm at. That's on fire Levin at Dowse, a sports, bomb him up. He doesn't like to argue as much as I do I like to say I'm there for the arguments on twitter eleven, just kind of he'll give me like the digital hand wave and dismiss you. For being an idiot. Or not. There are plenty of times that I've gone. Probably ten posts deeps arguing with somebody that I don't even know who I'm arguing with. Ten post deep. I don't like to let things go I'm gonNA, keep hammering. You say, okay. Yes, you're right. Does that ever happen on twitter? I didn't even think that was allowed. 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BONUS: A Conversation with Jalen Hurd's Wide Receiver Coach

Niners Nation

22:01 min | 1 year ago

BONUS: A Conversation with Jalen Hurd's Wide Receiver Coach

"Welcome this bonus edition of the Niners nation dot com. Better apple podcast. My name is Oscar operates you and we've got a very quick bonus episode of free all we've got Kyle Posey the new editor in chief of Niners nation dot com. You know, decided that he was going to reach out to his network of coaches, and he was going to reach out to none other than Jalen hurts wide receiver coach at Baylor. Frisbee Jackson now, frisbee Jackson is a veteran NFL player and coach he's in his second season on Matt role staff at Baylor. He joined the staff in two thousand eighteen and he was promoted to passing game coordinator in twenty nineteen. So it's a really interesting conversation. Definitely lets you peek behind the curtain a little bit from his position coach last year at Baylor. There are a couple audio issues here and there, but I think overall the conversation is so good. And you get so much insight about her as the player that I think you'll be able to get through it. And I think you'll find the conversation was totally worth it. So here's capos. Conversation with Baylor wide receiver coach frisbee Jackson. Are this is the very first Niners nation episode? And we have a special guest to talk about one of the forty Niners recent draft picks, Jalen Hurd, and I have a receiver coach from Baylor who dealt with him. Frizz man Jackson, I knew what was going on. The door do a well, man. Thanks for taking the time on a Saturday. Got the Kentucky Derby got everything going on. I'm sure and your personal. I've got you said you just came from a birthday party. And I'm I'm going to be doing that here shortly, but always some time to talk a little football. So Jalen her man, let's talk about him. Give me give me your first impressions, let's say so you know, heard had church transferred to Baylor. So did you have any any part in that recruitment? Right there actually it because I was go to the receivers says he tightened so. After we got let go I joined the staff here at Baylor, and he was already here. So I didn't have any recruiting. But I'm glad I'm glad he ended up joining baiter. Yeah. I bet man. He he's he's a different kind of athlete. That's for sure. So when you first got on campus. What were your your initial impressions of heard because we're talking about a guy that what he was as first year playing receiver, right? Yeah. What he's pretty straightforward guy. We met in all on them. All visit was wanted to kind of what my expectations were for him. And you know, how we're gonna get to them to achieve goals which were to get drafted NFL. And you know, he just said, hey, coach on here for eight months, and I want you to develop me is best. You can't give me give me an opportunity today to play my best football. So I can go to the NFL. Appreciate that about. He I think that's exactly what you want especially as a coach man, you want somebody to be able to come in tell you what they. Want tell you what they're looking for. And it's on. It's kind of on you to to help them get there. Right. Yeah. No question. No question. He was pretty fun and honest about you know, kind of what is expectations and goals were. And that's what you want us to call. What? So what was what was the biggest expectation? Was there any goals that were too lofty? There's something that you know, wasn't a attainable. No, you know, he knew that you by. This is first time really plan receiver that it was going to be some bumps in the road, some peaks and valleys, but you know, he's he's kind of got this cat is trying to put his head down and grind it working. You know, he didn't say they want to achieve this. I'm gonna do this. I want to do that was more. So just you know, coach me up, you know, if I'm doing something wrong, correct me. And you know, I'm gonna continue to work on the give you everything I got you know, I was very appreciative of that right on. Yeah. I bet man. We're not. So when you first started working with her what like how long did it take you to realize I'm working with something? Nice. You know, like something special. Oh, no, just by conversation. I realized I had some pretty cool but just get them on the field. How quickly he was able to pick up things at reporter receiver position. You know? He was a guy that you know, if I said, hey, man, I want to work this release. And he doesn't point with the way I wanted to he's want to jump right back in the way in your needs to be done so law, he's a very attentive to detail kind of cat, and you got that guy on your squad really excited about it. He wanted to be coast, which was exciting. Yeah. I love that. And he was he was supposed to be on the senior bowl and with the forty Niners. So I'm sure there are a little disappointed that he couldn't go there. But just hearing that being able to a guy taking accountability as sounds like that's that's when you know, you have somebody that is this is going to skew their all and just be legit. So that's good to hear. So so he played pretty much primarily slot for you guys. And you know, obviously carried the ball a little bit as well. So that be versatility. How is there? Do you think that he can be outside receiver down the line? I mean, he can speak up outside receivers sore. What of John said about? About him. You know, he can line up, and he can lined up outside economic inside. He can lot of position tailback. I think he has so much position flexibility that you can put him anywhere. We have them inside because it was adding teachers for us and for him. I mean, he's going against a, you know, a nipple corner, which you ain't gonna see nickel corner. A college. The way you go see a nickel corner the NFL. Also, he was bigger than most guys was quick animals guys. He was bigger than the moat. So he was able to use his size to our advantage in we had an outside a little bit. But not as much as we used them inside. Just because of you know, we were able to take advantage of that situation in just speaking of playing inside in the NFL, it's he's he's still probably going to be quicker and bigger than a lot of the guys that he sees the Nichols. Well, so that'll be that'll be interesting to see what is role is just as far as how how they use him as far as jet sweeps and just quick out. So just stretching the field down just being a seemed threat as well. Because one thing that caught me off guard just watching him because you know, he gets his labeled as a raw talent just because he's played the play the position one year. But I thought he catches the ball really well away from his body for a guy that just hasn't played the position, and he just looks really comfortable. So is that is that something you guys worked on? Yeah. Well, you're on the God is going to catch the ball. All these won't catch a hundred balls after practice going to kick him off the field. And when people see they've on a think that you know, he's trying to you know, it's it's new or he's trying to impress people. But that's just how he goes to work. I mean, it was times I hit like our Jalen caught enough balls man you caught enough like all, but he has natural hands. I noticed that the first time I was able to work with him that he caught the ball naturally. He wasn't never fighting the ball or balls beating them up or anything like that ES natural hands. And he's going to he's going to extend his hands away from the body and catch the football, and he can make every single catch that you need to make you think it speaks to just the type of hard worker. He is just being able to catch the ball away from his body. But do so with guys like hanging all around, and he's he's pretty comfortable going up and get it. And he's not bothered by contact. And a lot of guys that have been playing the position all their life. They struggle as soon as somebody's in their hip pocket or just on them. The minutes. Somebody just hits the wrist. It's all she wrote. But that's not that's not a problem with her. No, he's he's a guy that you know, he used his side she'll defenders away and aids aren't you can get a cat that can make you contest the us which is easily that you know, you you've got a pretty special player. And you like you said, it's it's guys played that position for their entire lives that struggle with contested catches and east pretty natural in absolutely so okay. So it's not it's not going to be all sunshine and rainbows with her. Let's not. So he what's what's an area that he has to just improve. What's what's one of his some of his areas of opportunity to grow? Yeah. For him to be, you know, catching balls down the field deep balls down field where you're gonna make over the shoulder. Catch us just because he hasn't lived in that world of for as long as you know, as much as a lot of guys have. And they're just refining his routes nor win the temple rouse, nor win be explosive at the top knowing when you know, the different speeds you have to play it to be an elite receiver. He really has to refined that part of his game. And then like, I said just Dow balls down the field. You know, he he was still working progress in catching deep balls over the shoulder. So those are two areas that I felt like if he can improve on those things he he can be in the league receiver in the NFL. Yeah, that's a that's a good point right there because forty Niners. Have a guy Dante Pettis who is something serious when it comes to just playing with tempo and just changing his speeds in able to win at the top of his route because he's playing at you know, he'll low you the sleep, and they kind of burst right by you. So heard should have a good guy to work with in. That regard. Is there is there anything else that you know, forty Niners should be on forty Niners fan. She'd be on the lookout for when it come home. Undo know those those were two things that I've noticed the most out of our work with first round pick guy, you know, coach receivers for my entire career in dog. That was the main two things that I've noticed out of him was just, you know, being you know, being a better default catcher. And then just, you know, learn how to play with temple and speed it, and you know, in his route saying if he can he had a deacon masters who things you'll give a chance to be a pretty the player in all that is it sounds like that's gonna come with repetition. So the up just reps reps reps for him. Yeah. The fact that we're talking about a guy that was played like what thirteen games or something like that at position and one of it one of your corrections was something that he just hasn't done. And another one is just something that you learn the more you do it. So that's that's pretty good to hear what kind of what kind of ceiling. Are we talking about with this guy? You know? I think it's going to be you know, how an I've got some chameleons with coach hands off. It saw. But because our line coach coach coach with him in Cleveland. So I think if they use them and let them let them put them in different spots and not like kind of typecast them as one type of thing. I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player. You know, he's still he's still got a lot of room to grow at the. Clock was a very good player in this Lee in that league. And I think he can change the culture and continues to work, you know, the he can have a really really good chance of good player in LA. And he's like you mentioned with. With a guy like Kyle, Shannon. Putting you in a position where you are going to make plays that is going to go a long way for him and yell. There's Wes Welker. He's there's also miles. Awesome. Who's on the staff? So he has he has some guys that will that he'll be able to learn from an and like you said with his ability to or with his want to get better that's going to be a big deal. So let's if if you would have had your hands on heard for another just another season, are, let's let's say just what can we expect when he has another season of play for like, let's say he's played the position for two more years. How much different would hurt be? You know, what that conversation, you know, here at bay that if he was able to play, you know, if I had them for another year, hopefully, I would have been able to chance to develop them even more. You know, I think some of the things that we talked about him having some struggles with or just need to learn to do better. I think you'd be way more advanced than that releases because just because he wouldn't have another year of seeing people in front of impress them up. I think he'd be a lot better there. But you know, I think being an NFL being around football twenty four seven four is when you don't help them transition that much faster into the position and being more natural edit right one of the areas, and I thought that he will improve on it could improve on when so he's when he's in the slide seems like you had a little problem with getting through contact at the top of his routes. So you just get kind of stuck on whether wasn't option route or just trying to get through on an over route. But it seemed like. He would either he just he just didn't know what to do. He he couldn't figure out whether he wanted to, you know, use head fakes to get around them or just gonna run through being bigger when with the guy, so yeah, that's something that I'll be keeping an eye on for sure. Especially if he's going to be playing over the middle of Phil. Yeah. You'll get better at those things. I mean, you you, you know, you got only so much that you can improve on that stuff especially in the college game. Just because you don't class restraints and ours was restraints and stuff like that. But I know it's our restraints there in the NFL, but you don't football more than you know, you worrying about right or chemist protests. Yeah. You don't you'll you'll have a chance to improve. And and like I said he's around some great coaches that little speed that process up on. Yeah. Absolutely. And now now that it's his job there. And now that he'll be able to do this every day and see what he's doing everyday review those practice a review his praxis before and afterwards. It'll be I imagine. It'll just be a lot different. So yeah, that's a good point as well. So hurt went in. In the third round. Do you think that was good spot? Former where where did you guys think that he was going to go? Well, you know, I thought he may have been you know, we probably could have been a late second early third round pick went where he ended up going. So I think that was spot form. I mean before God it just plays position for one season. I mean, you you got drafted the punch guys playing the position their entire lives in. I think that's a credit to him showing that you know, he has some ability to be able to do that. But you know, I thought they'd been a, you know, a second round pick to to early third and he ended up right there at that spot. Yeah. And we're talking to you like you mentioned his ceiling helps them a lot. It just natural ability helps on the lie. But he puts them really did things on tape for a first year player for first year receiver. So yeah, I think that third round just ride around that area. And then I mean, just go into the forty Niners helps a lot with who's calling plays all year. No question when when when an offense of. Guy like that. When office got Shanahan takes his chance on you early in the third round. Where teams are still looking for starters. I think that speaks a lot about you know, what heard can be no question. You know, those guys know what they're doing. Let them around football time, Colin and John. And so, you know, just trust the evaluation, and and I think done a great job by getting a great player like him. So you mentioned he's like a straight up serious guys that how he is all the time when he's on the field. How is he like I mean, he's competitive as heck man. And that's something about our program. You know have been here at Baylor. I mean, we're we talked about competing and competition. And he's he's he's the faith of that. And he's going to compete, and you know, he'll go have some fun and beating her own E. He'll joke around he'll laugh and have the time. But he understands that. But William between those white lines about this. They're saying if you take care of business, I you know, is a lot more fun. You can have a lot more fun. So he's business. I and have fun second. And that should give them a chance to have a pretty productive career. That's good, man. Yeah. You have to have a personality. You can't just be a robot. And I think he's definitely not a robot. That's. Yeah. I was gonna say like I'm going to be seeing him in log room, and I don't want. I want to be able to joke around with him afterwards. If he made a play or whatever it may be let's get. Yeah. You got some jokes to one he might go. Some low blows, you know, real quiet and try to act quiet. But he he's got he's got some character. I'm all here for the jokes. I like to hear that. That's good. Well, you go get it from. All right. Not at first. But eventually, they'll come. I've been so we talked about yet saw his personality. So about you've worked with plenty of receivers. Do you have like a comparison for who? Does he remind you of? That was tough. I had a bunch of people during this whole draft process for him asked me that question. You know, he's different from all the guys that I've had are poach forty Dave's. But the titans, and you know brush guys who went on a plane, the NFL, you know, just with his size. And you know, it's his ability able to you don't just use that size to catch the football. You know, he's totally different in a lot of guys. I hit just because he had played position for awhile. Right. And so it's hard to make the comparison of especially the guys that I've cokes, but he reminds me of, you know, Kwame older as far as his size, and you know, just how aggressive he is. And just how he loves football. And that's about the only comparison I've kinda used with with Linda's of action, and I've I'm of diehard Florida state fan. So you tell me that say, no more. That's all I need to hear man. We're getting player if that's the case where on your, no doubt. Bolden was dog overplayed yet. Yeah. Yeah. Yet some fighting him for sure I mean, forty Niners fans know that he was here for. Couple of seasons in all year. He was tough, and he caught the football. And you didn't matter how fast he was. You knew he was gonna find a way to get open and catch the football. That's another guy that. Yeah. Like, you mentioned he's not he wasn't a burner. But if you play with pace, you can get open. Yeah. No question. And then just if you talked in principle at the topic, and you understand your strengths and weaknesses. You. You you can find a way to make a play in this league realistically watery talking about for rookie season contributions. What can we expect? Well, it's it's just want to be how much they use them in and just you'll how fast he improves develops. I don't want to put a cap on number order as we'll have as many catches. I think eating you'll have a chance to be a productive player becomes in there. And he works which I don't have all seen issue with that. And and I know he's widsom office of jeans, and so they'll they'll they'll they'll put put them put the ball hands and make sure he's in the right spots. Oh, yeah. No. I I'm I'm pretty excited just to see what just how they use him. Because I imagine if he plays ten plays eight of those will probably be different spots, which is a luxury to have you just you can't do that. With a lot of players. So oh, no question. I don't question anything else before you out of here is there. What else? Do we need to know? Give us some give us some nuggets. Well, I'll say this man, he was work. He was the hardest working practice player agriculture. That's awesome arm. He was going to be physically drained when he was with practice because he's gives you everything he has. And so I don't get a tough player a guy that loves football. He's passionate about football. And he's passionate about being great and from an individual perspective and he wants to win. In a team perspective on whether support torn and he didn't care. He didn't care about how many balls call or how many touch he had if he could help us win. And they might be touched the ball one time he wants to win. And I really enjoyed that about I think that's the best way to leave it off of just leaving off with a guy that just is going to give you everything he has and isn't about himself. So sounds like the ultimate teammate, man. And when you put the ultimate teammate with a guy with that athleticism and his work and that hard. I mean what else? Can you ask for right? Not nothing else. You got a grip player right on. Well, man. I'm gonna let you go. So you got a bunch of things to do here. So appreciate you taking the time. And we will I will reach out to you. You know, hopefully, this time next year, you guys are spin out another guy for us where we got some guys from good was in host or so we'll see I know. I know you guys whatever you're feeding them down. 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Better Rivals Ep. 304: The Cardinals plan that gave the 49ers fits, and a familiar foe returns

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Better Rivals Ep. 304: The Cardinals plan that gave the 49ers fits, and a familiar foe returns

"It's because you wrote eight yards. Yeah I basically read anything. That's on the teleprompter I am mandated. Here I'm I lost. Welcome to this week's edition of the niners nation dot com better arrivals podcast. My name is Oscar operatiothe and this week we are back door covering right back into that win Wednesday feeling pro bowl. Voting is indeed indeed open. So make sure you vote in the popularity contest and get all your favorite niners in and with me this week to tell us all about how an ACL is just like an ingrown grown toenail it's rich Madrid going. It's going really really well. So did you hear the story about how Ronald Blair had someone in his apartment complex. Walk up to him and tell him that she knew exactly how he felt that Torres Seattle because she had an ingrown toenail yeah I had to read it a few times. I thought it was going to say something different and I just wanted to make sure sure that I was reading. I was reading and I just could not stop laughing. Yeah I mean. I sprained my ankle playing ball a couple of weeks ago. So I know exactly. How steph curry feels? I mean I have a cold so I guess we all know how it feels. Hey Man this is your flu game. This is officially your but it's good to have you on rich you of course are niner are a writer on niners nation. You also write for football zebras. So I know that when I've got real questions I always tweet them your way because you've always got some insights and and it's good to have you on the pods so we can talk to the miners ball. Yeah it's great to be here man. I've been a big Fan. You guys for a long time and you guys were actually the ones that got me into a lot of the scheme stuff stuff Just tie you guys break things down. And it's been incredible over the last several years and I'm just thrilled to be here talking to you about this this week. Well let's jump into a dude. Let's talk about the cardinals offensive game plan because it really was a game plan that gave the forty niners fits this week and really thought that Clip Kingsbury did a great job of attacking the forty niners niners edges of that defense because it really had the net effect of really neutralizing the forty niners rush. You look at the way. They opened the game and they started with crack. Toss which is basically going to be the the Kryptonite for the forty niners in run defense where it seems like they get hit with one of those every single game where you're going to have the wide receiver. Coming down the line of scrimmage you know kind of crack backing or crack blocking one of the vendors then just sweep around it and you know it started there and it just kinda rumbled down the field and the cardinals were able to get sixteen points up on the forty niners in the blink of an eye. Yeah and this is something. We've seen the last several weeks especially with the cardinals is is the team's attacking the edges of the forty niners defense. I don't think anyone really wants to go up. That five or six men front you know with the really good players that they have up there but they hit him with toss. They hit him with bubble screens jailbreak screens and things like that and therefore he is really just in the first two drives have no answers for it. Yeah those wide receiver screens man. So what's funny isn't the first game. You see the cardinals come out and they do a lot of running back screens but then we do you think to yourself okay. Are they gonNA come with the same script. They do come at you with screens but they were wide receiver screens and they really did attack the forty niners zone defense really well because the niners are susceptible to that bubble scream when the cardinals motion to five wide. So what happened pretty early in the game is the cardinals are in a three two. And if they're not man main coverage the safeties over the number three receiver on the three receivers side but he's got a playoff. He's playing a good ten yards off and at that point the bubble is easy money because that receiver basically runs towards the sideline. He's he's got to blockers and the safety covering that wide receiver effectively has to get through a bunch of trash has to go over the other two corners and it's a pretty easy couple of yards which the cardinals utilized utilized to get a couple of first downs on that drive and you also saw tunnel screens and the cardinals. They were really throwing everything screen. Wise from a wide receivers perspective to get at the forty niners and it worked early. Yeah so they. They really hit him with the screens on the edge. And I you know the the defenders out there they're really they you play really well I don't think after that. I don't think they really had any success with a lot of those screens and then we kind of saw him get hit with the zone reed and things like that. Yeah so tell me a bit more about that zone because the niners got hit with the new it was coming. You knew Kayla. Marie was going to do some kind of his own. They had some success with it. Of course the first week the niners play the cardinals but now you've got calmer running. He had a really really long scamper in the game on that zone read. How did the niners defend zone read? And how might they defend it better. This this is where having or not having quotas and really hurts them they I think they played it really well and some spots. They still had the scraping linebacker over the top but Kylie Murray I mean even on one play where buckner chase the chase the running back down and dre greenlaw was right there. I think this was in the first quarter you know Karl puts on the brakes and kind of jukes him. A Bit Andrey or greenlaw had nowhere to go. He just didn't know what to do. And Kyle Moore I. I think picked up. You know six or seven yards on that run so I think they had the right idea. I just every team that they've played going probably going back to the panthers. When I first started herded noticing it is they just? They had no answer even with the scraping linebacker over the top when they would chase down the zone reed. Plus you know. I think nick boasts a little little aggressive in that regard to when they run it at his end. So they've gotta figure out something quick because the packers coming up they don't run they don't run zone. Read read or anything like to the effect that anyone else does like the seahawks are the cardinals but they will get out on the edge with Rogers and some of those running backs in the quick receivers. They have so they've got to figure figure something out and you know there really is to. The really are two ways that a team can try to defend against the zone reed and the niners tried boat this game. I of course is exactly what you're describing living where you effectively exchange gaps. Where the defensive end kind of crashes down forces the key read but then you've got a linebacker scraping over the top or sometimes even a safety scrape over the top and then there's even tried that with Jimmy Ward actually exchanging a gap with the defender? The other is where you see the defensive end squeezed down and kind of like kind of split the difference and be like. I don't know I'm not GONNA go anywhere. But just wait until the the quarterback declares and then go after whoever it is that keeps the ball. That's Ronald Blair I did I believe against against Russell Wilson on the play where he messed up his his knee and the niners tried that in this game they had both and I honestly my Lee's favorite way of defending the zone read on a quarterback that is quick like Kylo. Murray is to have that defensive end squeezed down. Because he's going to beat him to the edge every time and and so. I think forcing the quarterback to make a decision by sending the defensive end crashing towards the mashed point. And then saying okay. I'M GONNA force you to keep the ball and then I'm gonNA put another athletic defender in space against quarterback that's probably my preferred way of defending but the niners tried all three kind of exchanging a linebacker extending a safety and and also having the defensive end squeezed down and they just had a couple of lapses where the defensive end you went down but didn't have someone exchange the gap or it. It just didn't seem like they were super tight on that point. And they knew they were going to get it. And of course Calamari who is a run threat this year. got more yards than Tevin Coleman was was able to cash them a couple of times. And so you're absolutely right. I don't think they're going to have to worry about that. Too much with Aaron Rodgers. But they do have a couple of quarterbacks that are mobile coming up and so I. I think that it's definitely an emphasis point for Robert. Sala coming forward. Yeah we're GONNA see the Greg Roman scheme turn against us. It's it's not gonNA be pretty. Yeah I think coming into the game. The niners had allowed just thirty percent. Conversion rate on third TA on third down and the the cardinals were way above that but you get to the second half and all of a sudden the defense begins to rally they allow just ten points in the second half three of which were on that Garoppolo interception. I mean the defense really did clampdown. And when you think of second half adjustments I was on Ed Smith's PODCAST podcast. Radio show for Phoenix radio station. And he's like you know. Do you think that Shanahan and Sala Paula. Have second half adjustments. Are you happy with that. yeah I do. I think we're okay and that's absolutely what happened in this game because the defense clamped down and all of a sudden. Now it's a ballgame. Yeah I agree I mean even even saw has you know I think the adjustments started coming more in the second quarter vice. The second half for the offense Shanahan. I don't really we know what's going on there but you know starting in the second drive you can see run run pass run run pass and then they finally get the scoring drive going and things kind of turn around but it you're exactly right with the the second half adjustments. It's just. They came out in. It looked like just a much different game plan than what they had going in. And I'm not sure what you know. What the reasoning was or whatever but it just seemed like everything finally started to click by the Third Quarter Forum fomenters game winning chance the probability they'd win the game was just at thirty one point? Four percent in the fourth quarter when Eric Armstead gets the sack up the middle backdrop the cardinals to afford and sixteen and it forced them into a punch inside under twenty yard line and so all of a sudden the game begins to flip and things are looking good for the forty niners. I think overall on offense the Arizona kernels are going to give. The niners fits for some time. I think they're just a good matchup for the forty niners Calamari avoids turnover with. He plays he is able to hit a couple of really big plays with some frequency Z.. He threw a an absolute money. Throw Tactic Kirk on that crosser on what looked like basically why cross and I think it's what it was. Yeah and if the cardinals get a true vertical threat and maybe another pass rusher. They could really be something because both of the Games where the niners defense gave up a a positive devi away in other words the only two offenses that have made the forty niners defense play below average have been the Arizona cardinals. You know I was thinking about that today too before we came on and it really seemed like the cardinals have given them. The most fits this year even more than the seahawks did. I'm not sure if anyone else thinks thinks that or you know whatever but it's just it was really weird to have that pop in my head a little bit ago and then you mentioned it so I wonder you know. We're probably not the only ones the part of that but that's just what it seems like it is a completely original thought rich. It was originated. Here it was germinated. Just between us two right now never uttered before you know I do think that styles make fights is a common saying that you haven't boxing I think for some reason the cardinals just match up well against the niners and and I don't buy into the whole like historical thing where it's like you know. Oh this team is a hundred and eighty wins and five losses so you know now fifteen years away from whatever like all those like super long historical records. I don't really pay too much attention to but over the last three years in the Shanahan regime. The cardinals have played that team tough. And unfortunately I think at least on offense. It looks like it's going to continue but when you get offense you get to. The Jimmy Garoppolo. Roller Coaster talked about it a bit last week but boy it's unreal and it doesn't mean that it defines him or that it's that he's a bad quarterback but you definitely were on a ride with Jimmy Garoppolo in this game against the cardinals. Yeah I think you just have to take it for what it is right now. I think this is just what he is. He is a guy you know. I hate to beat a dead horse. But he's he's he's bouncing back from the ACL. You know just like we thought he would. And that's really what is setback was In the year that I firmly believe that you're that he's having this year it was the year that he was going to have last year or something similar to it so he is essentially. You're behind and all that so you can see each week. You Know I. I think things get a little bit better and a little bit easier form. I'm I didn't go back and watch the first interception but I I thought I had heard that he had gotten hit when he's through it. So that might have affected noted that the second one was just the Garoppolo signature brain far that he has at least once a game. So I kinda just write that off but I don't think he's he's any worse for it. I just I think this is what he is right now and I think the more time in the more reps that he gets. I think he's just GonNa look a little bit more comfortable each week. The I mean flat out the run game had zero success in in this game and Garoppolo had a career day. Both games against the cardinals Garoppolos had put the team on his shoulders and absolutely carry them. The cardinals were stacking the box and absolutely daring the forty niners to throw and so they did. I mean Shanahan even said in his post game press conference that he's specifically abandoned run. He moved away from the run. And the four hundred twenty four yards at Garoppolo through were the highest of his career. But what I thought was interesting was that most of his yards weren't through the air. Two hundred and eighty one of the forty niners receiving yards came after the catch. That's the most in a single game for any NFL team. Since two thousand fourteen guess how many passes Garoppolo through that traveled more than twenty yards through the air. I'm going to guess one or two. The answer is one one. That's exactly right. It is one pass that traveled more than twenty yards through the air. And so I mean really a lot of this game was on Jimmy Garoppolo arm arm but it was also married with Shanahan's play calling and there were a couple of throws that Garoppolo may that you're like holy hell one that was even disallowed. It was that that flag will sanders in the red zone that got called back because of an illegal shift formation. I mean they're things that Garoppolo didn't this game like Yup. That's my quarterback. And then like you said he had a brain fart and that seems to happen every now and again especially when it comes underneath defenders think overall. He's not a bad quarterback. He's a good quarterback and it's those brain parts that prevent him from being a great quarterback. Yeah someone was saying the other day and I I don't WanNA use. I can't remember who it is. I don't WanNa get it wrong. But they were saying that that they just don't they think James or they think Jimmy G. is Jameis Winston with a better record and no hard designers. I think I tweet. I tweeted it and said there's just no way no way in hell that they're nine and one right now with mullins bettered or Hoyer just no way like even even if you I think that he is you know marginally average or just average at best. He's still makes those three or four throws a game that you need the other guys just couldn't make so that does set you apart in the NFL. From a lot of quarterbacks. I believe I don't think that the style the stylistically I I can see how if someone would get there. I could see how they look at some of the bonehead throws that he makes because they are really really bonehead then interception that he threw in the red zone that he had no business throwing knowing it to Or trying to throw to Emmanuel Sanders. I mean it's a stick concept. He's looking at Kendrick born and he comes off of that rightfully so because cupboard and and he comes off to Emmanuel Sanders and he just completely misses that underneath linebacker. It's not like the cardinals. Were playing anything super complex. They really weren't but they we're just spot dropping thing. Yeah absolutely they were playing. You know countries on which doesn't even sound threatening right. But but you got this team mm-hmm and it's like oh you've got this this player and yes those decisions are there. But they're not the level of Jameis Winston. You're not going to see the super heavy turnover worthy throws. You're also not going to see a lot of really big like Oh my God throws where that that kind of big throw percent or big time throw percentage is going to be super high. I think that his correlate really this year is Derek ca-car Derek Carr is another kind of quasi safe quarterback that doesn't have a huge depth of target but is still able to put some drives together when games make a couple of really good throws rose and sometimes put the ball in harm's way it's only if you're looking for a cop it's probably GonNa be Derek Carr right and you're not gonna see Jimmy eating a w either yeah. I'm buying large. Luckily the defenses. Bail them out a couple of times. But I mean that that game winning throw effectively to Jeff. Wilson was absolutely amazing mazing. I don't know that you're that was not a a difficult. Throw because of the the depth of target but it was a difficult. Throw it just because of what was happening around. That's that's is processing. That's his release. Any put it on a man and it was a good throw and I'm glad Jeff Wilson put on his His gloves caught the ball and rumbled into the end zone. You totally didn't I don't think anybody got the Jameis Winston joke there. No I didn't. What was the joke? Explain it to eat the eat. The W. Oh yes I I forget. He's there are so many things James Donna and I just forget between the crab legs and the Uber and the E W I mean I can only keep track of so many jokes when it comes to James I. I don't think I remember the Uber. But Oh yeah he like Groped newburgh driver all. That's right not A. That's not a good look from dude. No but I think the last thing that really jumped out at me in this game was that Shanahan was absolutely dialed in for the second half when it came to play calling you look at the opening drive and I mean this. This is a team that and this is an offense that was really really held in check for just about the entire first half and then he comes out and on that opening drive in the second half man he hits real hard of the play action and even without a successful run game. It really works. You've got the first play which is a mesh plate Tevin Coleman and and this is where Garoppolo blur does shine because he gets them pressure but he takes a step back in the pocket darts. The ball to Coleman gets them on the run. Coleman's running down the sideline for a a pretty big game. And then you think to yourself. And that's a man beater right. He knows that Arizona's coming out in man and so he goes straight to a main beater but then the very next play calls. He's like you know what they're probably gonNA switch back down. And that's exactly what Arizona did and so you've got a zone beater with a flood concept off to the sideline catches the cardinals cover three. You've got a three level stretch. It's easy money. Garoppolo play action. He gets another long completion out too. I think Emmanuel Sanders and then later on the red zone. You've got a fullback screen that really really messes with man coverage rules. Because you've got juice looks. He's going to stay in a block. So linebackers dude staying in a block. I'm a rush to quarterback it's a green dog blitz and then eventually Jews his pops out and the guy who's covering him is literally spinning in a circle going like oh man that's my and now you've got juice down inside the five yard line and then you've got the Super Mash in the red zone. Where again another man beater got a lot of people crossing one side? One guy goes to the other side. I mean it was just play after play after play where he was hitting him with the left and right and he was really really doubted in the second half. And it's just like those those those plays those moments Shannon has often. You just look at it and you're like yeah I know that at this often sometimes looks like it can struggle but Shanahan. I Trust Man. Yeah I couldn't agree more so a couple of things on those two bigger plays with the the first I played at seven Coleman he if Jimmy doesn't make that move that just quick step back I think he's just GonNa get planted and he just it just like it came came second nature to him. Just take a step back and rip it. And he did and it was couldn't have been prettier in seven Coleman just I think he may one guy miss and then he got up the sideline for huge gain and then on that screen to juice. This is something we don't see a lot of teams do but Shanahan in this play action portion of the play polls Tomlinson like on a power or account run actually because he takes the counter step with the running back action there in that. Really like you're saying but combined with everything else on that plane just really messed everybody up. You got defenders spread out all over the field. Nobody knows what's going on on by the time you just catches it you know. They brought him down. But my God it's just the play calling in the design of these places just absolutely phenomenal. Just just incredible really pulled that offense out of the Rut that they were in and eventually I mean they scored at that point seventeen and answered points and they were up seventeen the sixteen and and yeah they definitely got punched in the mouth to begin this game and they were coming off a very emotional loss against Seattle and this is the team that just keeps finding finding ways to win and and you know the turnover thing didn't happen until a little later in the game for the niners getting actually a positive turnover but this is a game where they were also losing the turnover battle but they were still able able to stay in this game and and good teams will find ways ultimately to be bad teams. And I don't think the Arizona cardinals are going to be too bad for too much longer but at least right now there is a definite talent disparity and the niners were able to exploit it and they were able to ride that to win absolutely all right. So let's get to play the game because for me. I think the story coming out of this is that we may actually have a wide receiver that can catch the ball. And that's one Mr Deebo Samuel. He is the player the game for me. He is basically one of only two rookies to have eight or more catches and over a hundred yards of course out of the rookie. Wide Receiver is going to be Jerry. Rice nice and that doesn't mean that deebo Samuel is the second coming of Jerry Rice but it does mean that maybe he is one of the wide receivers Shanahan's actually hit on of the multiple wide receivers. It is drafted because he is everything that was advertising and was coming out of South Carolina. And it's really really good to see him kind of grow into his own game and now he's officially elite. The leader for rookies in yardage this year in the NFL player of the game to The last three games or so three or four games. He's really made a name for himself. He had that Nice long touchdown run against the panthers and then seahawks he had over one hundred yards yards. Escaped me out over one hundred yards so like to get him the in the ball in the end zone a couple more times but he is a guy that I wrote about him right after the draft when they when they picked him and his tape is really fun to watch. If you get a chance to do it just you can see the things that South Carolina did with him Shanahan. Hannah's kind of doing with them but really unlocked a little bit more of his potential whereas I think the the gamecocks really used him in Kind of more of a a slot role he ran a lot of inside slants. And things like that. Or you know crosses over the middle or whatever and he that's how he picked up a lot of his yards and he picked up a lot of his yards on that task. Fly The little play where the quarterback pushes the ball forward and only counts as a pass because the ball goes forward he would have been a a thousand yard receiver in college. Otherwise they just throwing those passes downfield to him and he's really Shannon's unlocked the potentially as for the the route tree and that offense He caught that long corner out which was also I think on a mesh play he just Garoppolo pick the corner because it's the only the thing yet time for and he came up with that amazing contested catch that he I think he later exited the game on but he came back anyways but he he might not be the second coming Jerry Rice but he looks like he might be the second coming of Anquan Boldin. I don't know I I think that's that's a good calm. I think like Steve Smith go bolden in that kind of mold. He's got to work on his hands a little bit more. He's still let's too many balls he didn't it was body. Yeah but but by and large I think he definitely is the wide receiver that fills in that peer Garson rule that we know that Shane Henry likes to employ as one of his wide receiver receiver. So I hope he keeps continuing get opportunities because the niners are going to need someone to step up at pass catcher. It doesn't look like George kittle is going to be back next week. Take the while. The niners haven't said exactly what's wrong with them. It sounds like a bone bruise which takes a few weeks to come back from. Apparently it's really really painful and just requires a whole lot arrest so the niners are going to need some kind of offensive weapon Emmanuel Sanders that guy to not look like he is moving. Well he was. They showed a game shot of him during the game and he was standing kind of awkwardly awkwardly talking to someone just the way he was standing like he was in a lot of pain. Yeah I can't imagine Agean that playing with with rib cartilage injuries where your profession is to basically catch the ball and then get hit as well is GonNa go well for you. I don't know how many weeks or if any it takes two to recover from that. But man he is definitely playing at a reduced version of Emmanuel Sanders. And and what sucks. That's what really really sucks. Is that Reduced Quality Emmanuel Sanders is still probably one of the top to pass catchers at the forty niners have right now. Oh hands down. Yeah I mean He. Seventy five percent of him is better than one hundred percent of the some of the other guys. Oh my God. It's it's really really bad but it didn't practice today either. I don't kill didn't practice. No no one really practice. They're all time discussions either. Yeah they're all gametime decisions effectively but if I had my money I would say that sanders plays and that breed. It doesn't play and kill does not play either so I think it's probably going to be a repeat of last week against Green Bay but we'll get to green bay here in a minute it before we get to the rundown which is the mid week stories that are of note and or interesting this week and really. I think the only one that's new this week is that Promo voting is officially open. So I ask you who are the most deserving forty niners for your pro bowl vote presuming. You're not just GonNa go and vote single party ticket and just punch all the forty niners you can find and then submitted Vo Two Thousand Times. Please do because you know the proble. His such an accurate indication of the you can rig the devote I thought I remembered at one point years and years ago someone on the web zone the forty niners zone a fan site that I used to I used I used to write for and and moderate way back in day. I thought someone read like a bought auto vote for like a Fedex player or something like that where it was. I mean basically. That's it. It was a lot of people on the Internet with little time in lots of them. But I think number one obviously is is Nick Bosa and I think he's the top vote-getter for all defenders right now isn't he. I haven't to be honest. I haven't looked but he I'd vote for him on defense easily adding Bosa and then Kaelin Williams for me is another easy Easy person to go ahead and vote for and then then it gets a little dicey for me on vote. Richard Sherman in based on necessarily what he's done in the field. I voted man just because I want to get paid like. I think that he won players get paid and I know that he's got some incentives tied to pro bowl and all pro. So I'm like yeah dude given the money. It's not my money. It's jets money. He sent a pile Levi's money. It's it's not even in the shade. Just like the rest of the Levi's just pay just give it to Sherman. What about Fred Warner? I don't think he is a pro bowl level yet. I think he's been good and I think he's definitely improved. His ability wanted to force turnovers. But I I wouldn't put him in the pro bowl quite yet if indeed. You know it's a matter of skill what I'm really going to do is go for all the niners because why the hell not but I think that if it is a true measure of the best linebackers in the game right now that he's up there quite yet. That's fine. Yeah I mean. I like the way he's playing this year. I think he's the plane really well I just I I don't get I can't get excited about pro bowl voting. Oh man come on give you goes I. I thought I'd try to vote every year and pick the big names so I probably will vote but I like voting for all the special teams that I know nothing about. It's great voting for the Punter. Yeah definitely not all right. I'm in a row named hundred eight. Yeah I think in terms of midweek stories. That's about it. There's not a whole hell of a lot. That's happened in nine or land and so I mean other than getting into the Green Bay game because it's it's going to be a doozy man. That's going to be a biggie. But before we get to the Green Bay game let's take just a brief break to hear from sponsors. This episode is sponsored by Stash. A SMARTER SMARTER SIMPLER WAY TO START. Investing with Sash you can begin. Investing in a wide array of companies in diversified funds for as little as five dollars stash offers unlimited limited trading with no add on trading missions. So you can invest without worrying about getting nickel and dined. 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This is per football outsiders and just a thirty two percent chance at the top seed if you look at five thirty. It's yellow rankings. They've got the niners at fifty-six percent sent to win the division but forty four percent to win a first round bye so fivethirtyeight allows you to tinker with the outcomes. It's a really really cool. It'll like well if they win is what happens to their chances and if the niners win then you see their probability of winning the division up to sixty five percent and fifty eight percent to get a first round bye so this is kind of a big deal when it comes to playoff seeding because of course the packers are they only have two losses and if the niners can get a really critical win here in the NFC it really sets them up. Positively for I buy and it keeps them distance between them and the Seattle seahawks. That's crazy the way the NFC. He is top heavy this year with eight teams seven teams. It's pretty wild. I mean everyone's just basically feasting on like the Miami's of the world or the Bengals of the world but but ultimately bolt it really. Is these three games. If I'M GONNA lose one I don't WANNA lose the one of the Ravens because if you're if you lose against New Orleans or you lose against Green Bay. Hey I mean things dip quite a bit. You know I think when you when there's a bit of a Spiderman game the packers right because you've got leflore. Who's the head coach? Can he did. He's part of that Shanahan. Trie he and Roberts all our best friends his younger brother is Shanahan's passing game coordinator. I mean it is is going to be the offense some of the offensive components from Shanahan's offense with the Green Bay packers and and on defense. You've got my pen and of course I think this is one of the best defences that Shanahan's going to see all year and so I'm really gonNA be interested to see how he begins to attack this defense. They probably similar to how they did last year with a lot of intermediate stuff. That's what that's what I would guess. They're pretty talented. All across the board right. They've got Kenny Clark on the Interior. They've got the smiths which you're going to wreak. Some havoc in Preston is a Darius and just in school is going to be playing again at the left tackle spot. He did not have a great gay. A great game against Chandler Jones and then in the secondary. You've got Gerry Alexander tramonte Williams Adrian Amos this. It's going to be hard to get yardage and so if you're GONNA if you'RE GONNA get those intermediate routes I think it's GonNa be it's GonNa be a lot of play action. It's going to have to be. What what do you think is going to be? The over under for like combined play action between Green Bay and the niners eating. It's going to be above forty percent probably just just based from what I remember from last year. I just remember a lot of the big chunk plays at the forty niners were able to get. were off play action. So and the packers did you run a lot even with the RPO stuff you know. They're going ahead and try to hit him with probably a lot of RPO quick slants. And things like that. The Rogers D- Alexa throw that little. Stupid slant flat Latte play. It's something I guess they never discarded McCarthy's playbook so I mean even that you're GonNa get a lot of that so yeah that's probably gonNA. You're probably going to Steve. Quite a bit of an uptick may probably between both teams and the forty niners are running a little bit more appeal right now too so yeah fairly successful but but you look at the defense defenses and green. Bay's defense kind of taking a step back from their success early this year but Mike Patton is an aggressive play Colorado defense to have been a little susceptible to the big play. They've giving up thirty eight plays of at least twenty yards and nine running plays of at least fifteen yards through the first ten games but you look at the defense and played and I don't know that they played a defense as talented. Said as the the packers you might look at Carolina and the Rams of course but this is definitely going to be a test for that defense and seeing how Shanahan attacks him is going to be. Good I think you're probably right. It's going to be in the intermediate levels but I. I don't know that this is GonNa be a game where the niners are going to be able to run even though I think they will try as they do every single week. Yeah the packers. Do like to put a lot of guys up. Around the line of scrimmage I was looking at some of the chiefs game earlier today Eh and even with the three four front. You know you. You're still susceptible to getting at least five or six guys up there and we know lately that the forty niners have struggled with five and six man fronts Mainly because probably probably because not having kiddle but I hope we're not seeing situation now where these five and six man fronts are getting dictate a lot of the running game stuff kind of like what's happening to the rams but they just they really haven't come up with a a viable solution to counter it and against the three or four fronts going to be a little bit little bit different as you can do a little bit different things with those Those F. Defenders. They're they're coming off a bye. They've had extra week to prepare. And you look at what patent likes to do and I do think you're gonNA see a lot of congestion in in the box and I think he's going to send a lot of blisters and I think he's GonNa be comfortable playing man behind those pressure packages. Because that's exactly what Arizona did and it worked to a large degree to kind of contain that defense or to contain the niners offense and of course you ask Jimmy Garoppolo to begin to throw and when you're throwing up passes against that cardinals defense. You'RE GONNA find a couple of spots to do that. But when you're throwing against Roman Williams in Gerege Zander. I think it's no longer just wears Patrick Peterson and throw it Buddha Baker. Now it's Oh man. The spots are going to be smaller. Their coverage is going to be tighter and I think that if I might patent I'm like yeah I can play man coverage with a hobbled Emmanuel Sanders and deebo Samuel who also similarly hobbled and. I'm not sure if he's actually going to be someone that might. That might defensive backs have to worry about too much beyond that. You're not concerned about Ross. Dwelling he did have two touchdowns but he's not. He's certainly George Kill so I think that's if you're a defense that's that's exactly how you attack the niners and I'm not sure cremation. Do anything different. I don't disagree aren't so switching to the offensive side of the ball for the packers. There's I think the hubbub so far this year has been whether or not Aaron Rodgers is actually good because Ben Baldwin He wrote an article titled No longer elite. What the numbers tell us about Aaron Rodgers and basically the premise of the article is that Aaron Rodgers is based on a busy metrics? No longer elite and that he's taken quite a bit of a dip since twenty two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen. It wasn't just McCarthy basically Rogers's losses step Ben really points to a decline through the Lens of a couple of statistics one is expected points added. This is an efficiency metric that tells you how much a play increases the likelihood of the score and Rogers. EPA per play has dropped since two thousand fifteen and to put him firmly in the nine to fifteen range of quarterbacks and his completion percentage above expectation which basically charts what you would expect to complete complete for the distance of a throw and then measures the delta of your completion percentage to throw is negative in twenty nineteen meaning that meaning meaning that Aaron Rodgers is completing a fewer percentage of passes than you would expect based on his depth of target. So what do you think about. This is rogers any Debate I have my own series on that but it will now is the time to share that my friend. Yeah I don't WANNA I don't WanNa be rude but but it just seems Seattle like seahawks twitter seahawks fans in general have real beef with breath. Anybody not being an MVP candidate other than Russell Wilson. I I don't really I don't really buy all. The Aaron Rodgers has declined stuff decline narrative. I mean as he played good and no but has he bailed out McCarthy and spots over the last several years yeah. I don't think that gets covered enough but I. I don't think he's declined you. Can you watch him now. Just even on you know if you're even just watching on Sundays and not going back can watching the film during the week. He's you're still seeing make. Just some ridiculous throws every game and I think every time he makes a ridiculous throw I I kind of get a job in there about you. Know what what is the EPA. Say about that throw but I. I don't really buy a lot of the the narrative around it and I. I know like Seattle twitter in general. They definitely like you know they're advanced metrics with all that stuff and how it says. Russell Wilson is better and he is. That's not saying Russell. Wilson doesn't play as in playing well or as an MVP candidate. I think he's probably the clearcut favorite right now. But just the kind of the shade thrown at Aaron. Rogers I think is just. I think it's undeserved Aaron Rodgers. Probably taking a little step back. But that's probably only because his highs were so damn high like fourteen fifteen and in that stretch of peak Aaron Rodgers. It's like yeah. You're you're bound grass when you're playing as well as just about any quarterback back in. NFL history has ever played in his damn life. And I do think that Aaron Rodgers is still very good because he can still hurt you in a couple of air real ways even if he's not hurting you at the consistency assistance at which it was hurting you. Twenty fourteen and Twenty fifteen you look at his big time throw percentage which is a metric pro. Football Focus puts out which basically tells the percentage of throws does that are really difficult. NFL throws and his is at five point. Seven four percent which is more than double wood. Jimmy Garoppolo has done so far this year. He's at two point. Seven percent sent me a five six percent five or six percent big time throw percentage is really really good. And that's where you're going to see like quarterbacks that are good at completing those high difficulty. NFL type throws. I'm talking about those deep corner outs. Or those those balls that have to get over the linebackers but be in front of love. The safety those are the types of things. Rogers could absolutely still hurt you with and the niners have seen this firsthand when Rogers led them on game winning drive. I've just last year. Jesus that was here and the niners of seen what that's like and even if you jump out to a big lead it you don't necessarily really mean that you're GonNa hold them down for that much longer so. I don't think that Aaron Rodgers is as elite as he was but he's still very good and he can still hurt you and that's something. The niners have have to account for because now they have more creative play caller. And while it's an offense at the niners maybe more familiar with the offense for the Green Bay. Packers is definitely only beginning to click. Yeah they haven't had to rely on him as much this year but just even when you turn the TV on you know he's still you still see a make the key throw. Oh here. And they're more than the other quarterbacks make they're gonNA lean heavily on their running backs and their running game but to say that he's you you know maybe he I'll agree there that he probably has declined a little bit but no I don't think no one's taking his big of a beating aside from a few guys other than him either either. I mean he you know some years. He was league leader with being sacked with fifty plus sex. So it's gotta gotTa have taken it slow by now on him but I think. The rumors of his decline are greatly exaggerated. Now do you think in most respects. Do you think defense is going to have an easier time defending the now rogers led offense because of their experience defending an offense very similar in fans offense because the floor of course of course comments from that same system and and you look at some of the players that you see on tape that have been successful for the packers and I mean they look like they're ripped straight out of the the forty niners playbook book and he leans heavy now more on play action you've got those deep intermediate shots which of course Rogers is able to complete. I think a bit more than Garoppolo for various reasons but do you think that gives the defense a little bit more of an advantage. Because they've been facing a defense like this for so long I think so. I think it'll be similar to probably what we see. In the Rams Games you know with how the the packers run out there personnel sets and their personal groupings or whatever. But plus Rogers isn't gonNA run all over him like Wilson Murray can do I don't I think they have an easier time at you know last year they I mean nearly nearly walked out of there with a win last year but you know the packers have got better on defense and got a little bit better on offense so who knows but you know the forty niners are also better on a on defense now too so i. I'm interested to see how you know like every week. It's kind of becoming a Cliche Shea now but I'm interested to see how Bosa a couple of these other guys are going to do against that packers line. Yeah I think that if you're going to see a weakness in that that packers line it's going to be along the interior because they're tackles are pretty good. You've got bacteria which is of course when both probably GONNA lineup for most the game and and if anything you're GONNA see Bahktiar plus some help I'll be interested to see if the packers aren't going to let go one on one with Bosa because everyone so far has been basically chipping Bosa double-teaming Bosa putting a tight end and tackle on Bosa. It's basically don't let boasts beat you and what's been great as D Ford has been able to come around the other side and basically say cool. You're gonNA single me up. Well that's too bad. Well good for for default sacks but bad four that forty nine for the offense that they're facing now with D Ford injured. He's got a handling issue and I don't think that he's GonNa play. That means that it tilts the game a little bit more towards the offensive line for the Green Bay packers and so when you look at the interior of that packers offensive line. Though you look at Lindley you look at Turner. They're not as good at pass blocking as Bahktiar. Brian Laga are and so I think maybe this is a deforest buckner game where he starts to shine a bit more because of the weakness of the interior of that packers line. I think you're probably right. I also wonder if they're gonNA run. Solomon Thomas out there a little more in the interior. This game yeah. I think they'll probably play him there. And then of course. You've got the Monterey more WHO's going to get up ticking. Saxon democracy more than fifty four. Th Man can't say how much I love the fact that forced a fumble the Internet cardinals game. You know he definitely came aiming contributed. He's someone who I thought should have made the roster right off the bat. But it's good to see him in a uniform and it's good to seem contributing. He's going to get a lot of snaps against the packers as well L. and hopefully he's got a similar impact. Yeah I thought I thought he was GonNa make it to at. I really liked watching him. Play in the AF I thought he played really well for San Diego when he was down there for At least in that league and then he came up in the forty niner signed him and I don't think there's any way that he wasn't GonNa make it it. I didn't think I didn't think Ronald Blair was GonNa make it. I thought he was GONNA make it over but that wasn't the case. Obviously but you know it's nice to get a guy back who had some familiarity thirty came back last week and contributed right away. So I I think they'll be fine. Not as fine as you would be with default on that side but who knows you know. He's he's not a not a bad player by any means. I think but you know I think Ford's presence will be missed but more in than whoever else they slaughter over there I think we'll be fine ultimately. I think this game comes down to a very important part of the field. And that's the red zone right now. The Green Bay packers are the second in the NFL at scoring TD's in the red zone and the forty niners are the best at preventing touchdowns in the red zone. They only allow touchdowns on four of ten red zone trips. Forty percent of the time so if the packers are able to get down into the red zone it will be interesting to see whether or not they're going to be able to score or whether or not the defense will be able to stop them because the packers will hit you in multiple ways. They've got a couple of running backs at a very good. They like to throw to the running backs and Jamaal Williams and Aaron Jones We'll see one of them. Maybe draw football. Hopefully because that's been one of their bugaboos when when they kind of hit that same route as a running back and then the ball hits him in the hands and so I think thank you know Jamal Williams is is the ball drop there but they can hit you in multiple ways in that red zone and I think the niners defense can step up in the red zone. They've got a much better chance if they hold on the field angles. Yeah one thing the packers like to do is that RPO game inside the red zone and that could be a problem especially with the way that the forty niners defense is susceptible crashing on the run. So we'll we'll see I'm. I'm interested to see how they're going to counter that Because in addition to it giving it to Jones and then they will try to hit that little quick flat route or the slant behind it down inside the fifteen or ten yard line and it's been pretty. Ah Pretty effective for the packers this year. All right so what's your prediction. Then I think the the line is niners by three at home which basically means it is effectively effectively a pick em and the over under is forty six point five. So what do you think is going to be the the outcome of the game here. Levi's I think just because it's at home in the home crowd has been just night and day difference this year. I think the forty niners are gonNA probably probably feed off that a little bit. I I'm GonNa say Twenty seven twenty four forty niners. I think it's going to be close. Probably if it goes. If it's the over it's not going to be much more than that. But you gotta figure Rogers good for a few big plays. The forty niners are big. They're good for a few big plays plays. So I think that's GonNa those big plays are really what's going to keep both teams in and it's going to be close and I do think the forty niners are going to come away with this one but barely really yeah. I think that this is the game where the injuries finally catch up to the forty niners. I I do think not having offensive. Weapons is is going to hurt them against the defense like the packers. I think not having fully healthy Emmanuel Sanders is GonNa hurt them. And I think those weapons are GonNa make it difficult for Garoppolo to do do do as much as they did against the cardinals and I think this offense is just good enough to be able to score points against his defense. I do think this is one of those games. With the loss of Alexander's GonNa rain is going to be a bit more prevalent just because of what he can do in the intermediate areas of the field. And and I think that that's where if you're matlock floor you begin to attack degree. Laws played well in relief. But you look at Davante Adams and I think he's GonNa get a couple of receptions his way and I think those running backs attacking the linebackers is where you're going to see a bit of a tilt towards the packers so ultimately I think the packers actually win this game and I think it's GonNa be a tough off loss for the forty niners going into the next game against Baltimore but it's you know it's one of those things where I think that's what's going to happen but I I'm hoping every minute of every day That I'm wrong. I hope you're wrong too. Yeah because this is a game. It's a really big game. This is a big game for playoff implications. It's the packers offers who are more of a rival. It feels like than the rams for some audible reason like it just doesn't feel like the rams are as much of a rival. The cardinals are becoming kind of a rival. Seattle is of course the rival and the packers. Just feel like more of a rivalry at this point than the rams even do so. It's going to be hopefully a good game and I hope the niners honors win. But I think it's going to be really tough man. Those injuries considering that that Green Bay doesn't have it in the injuries. They're pretty healthy and they're coming off the bye. I think it's going to be tough. Yeah I think they just got Davante Adams back you know just a couple of weeks ago. I think but you know the these prime time games used to used to feel good about him. Never abuse to to worry about it. You know in in years past and then just in the last several years it's just and he's go either way even though the team is pretty good this year. It's just doesn't feel doesn't feel as I don't feel as confident about it. Even you know even this year so I hope I'm wrong. I hope they win but I did pick them to win but I just hope I'm about the the atmosphere itself and you know maybe I should feel good about it. I don't know but it just but you know what I'm saying. It's just like in in the harbaugh years. We knew that going into a prime time game it was we were GonNa just just dominate anybody. Even this year just doesn't feel like like that. Yeah well I I do think it's going to be one thing I will say about the atmosphere Levi's last few weeks as it has been markedly different. These last couple of weeks Levi's advise and I think this is going to be another game. That's going to be really really rock and I mean it got flex a Sunday night. It's going to be a prime time game. I leave is going to bring it. I think they're going to bring that energy and I. I really do hope that the niners due to so rich thanks for coming on and talking ball meant it was good to have you on Tell the folks where they can find you on twitter. Thanks for having me you can find find me on twitter at rich Jay Madrid and then twice a week or I try to at least twice a week at a a film piece article up on Niners nation and football zebras dot com if you were into officiating and learning about the rules and that sort of thing and you can always follow me on twitter at better rivals. Thanks again everyone for tuning in and as always go niners.

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George Kittle and 49ers agree to 5 year, $75 million extension

Niners Nation

11:53 min | 2 months ago

George Kittle and 49ers agree to 5 year, $75 million extension

"What's going on everybody I'm rob stats career and welcome to another niners nation podcast and wherever you may be happy national tight ends day apparently because the news at the forty niners faith full of been waiting for has finally happened George Kill and the forty niners according to Barstool sports and others have agreed to a five year seventy five, million dollar contract that sound you hear is forty niner fans across the country rejoicing with the beverage of their choice. You can rest easy now. Faithful. It has happened coming up in this episode I'll give you my first blush reaction to the deal and I want to get into a little bit of what this deal tells us about the organization because I think that's an important part of this some more than nuts and bolts, and by the way just keep in mind the numbers that are coming out now are likely all from kittles agent and agents have a nasty habit of pumping things up as much as possible because they want to make. Themselves look good right they want to be able to say look what I got for my guy, not only to strengthen the relationship with that player but also to other clients that they might have and potential clients, look what I can do for you what I did here. So let's see if this deal looks the same wants all the details come out I'm sure there are people around the league digging to try and get those. But as we know it right now as I'm recording this on Thursday. Five years seventy five million dollars eighteen million dollar signing bonus for kittle thirty million guaranteed its signing according to pardon my take who kind of broke the story. And if everything holds, that's about fifteen, million a year. My first reaction. Both sides said pretty good. If you're the forty niners, you say, look. We recognize his talent. He's the best tight end in the league. He's arguably the best pass catcher. He's definitely the best blocking tight I'm the league and we gave him more money than any tight end has ever gotten in the history of the NFL. If you're George Cato, you say look I set the market on tight ends and not only did I set the market on tight ends which, of course they were going to do but George can also say Hey I got paid like more than tight. The highest paid wide receiver in the League is about twenty, two, million. That's Julio Jones and kid who's going to get about fifteen, million pre or so he sort of got paid almost like a wide receiver which he almost kind of is. So both sides for the forty niners and Kitto can say we did what we wanted to do. We're happy with this deal and I said on this podcast and other podcasts. If you're the forty niners, all you can do is offer more money than any tight end has ever got. That's what they did. They got the deal done. It's interesting. They could have done something similar with deforest Buckner if they'd wanted to. But. I think the forty niners didn't view buckner the same way they view kill I think this deal tells you to forty niners seek it'll as a cornerstone part of their team. They didn't do that with deforest buckner that had a number in mind. He wouldn't agree to it. So they got rid of him not the case with George kittle avert reaction on twitter. Taylor had good reaction saying Muse life changing money. He was proud of his brother it sends a good message to the locker room. Sends the message that we will take care of you if you are elite I don't think the forty niners viewed deforest buckner is elite. They obviously view George Kit allows elite. Congratulations. Short. Now What does this? Deal say about the forty niners organization. I think. It says a couple of things first and foremost. The days of this team being a laughing stock are officially over like that era is officially ended I know the only had one good year under Kyle Shanahan but it's over now look at what has happened this off season coming off a year where they made the Super Bowl. They were quarter away six minutes away really from winning the Super Bowl. The forty niners lockdown there. Three cornerstone pieces. What's happened this off season? Kyle Shanahan got a six year extension. John Lynch got a five year extension and now George biddle agrees to a five year deal with the forty niners that is setting yourself up for years to come. You are creating a super bowl window and putting yourselves in the best possible position to get a championship and that's all you can do. If you're the forty niners once you're in that game, anything can happen. Right? We saw that in the super bowl this year, even the best run team in the NFL for years the Patriots had to have some fluky stuff happen to win as much as they have I mean against the Panthers and Super Bowl Thirty, eight, John Casey kicks the ball. Out of bounds on the Patriots game, winning drive to set him up at their own forty with great field position only needing a field goal mean the Tuck rule how the Patriots needed that just to get into their first super bowl. So weird stuff has to happen in the moment to get you a championship. You can't guard against that happening, but you're setting yourselves up now to have all your ducks in a row, have everything lined up for you to win as many championships as possible. When is the last time? You could say that about this forty, nine, hundred steam. Even harbaugh years. It wasn't like that you didn't see that sort of path set in stone. It's there now. The street, the cobblestones are been late. The forty niners on their way to a multi year run of contention everything is there. I'm by the way, you could make the argument right now the forty niners. Run Organization, the NFL, their head coach, their GM, their quarterback, their best offensive player, and their best defensive player are all locked up for years to come. They don't have to worry about their deals they're settled. How many teams in the League can say that right now so yeah, they're going to have to make some tweaks. The secondary's a big question after this season for sure there are other guys that they're gonNA, have to make decisions on, but it's not the cornerstone guys. It's not the guys that are most critical to their success. So if you have to let them go or if one of them gets just blown away by offering on another team and you lose that guy, that's okay. Because you're foundational pieces. Your core guys will still be there and that's important working about multiyear runs for success. Another thing I saw that I think is important to mention. Did you notice how they were no leaks from the organization during any of these deals. Nothing. Now when Kyle Shanahan was negotiating his deal not when John Lynch was negotiating his deal and not with kittle there were no leaks to national reporters about the status of the talks right remember when Jim Harbaugh was talking about a new deal and it was oh. What do we hear? Jim harbaugh wants to be paid like a super bowl winning head coach but he hasn't won a super bowl that was coming from the forty niners organization, of course. We didn't have any of that this time. There was nothing. Same on Lynch's deal, it just pops up on your phone one day you're sitting there eating breakfast. was to John. Lynch sign. Cool. That's how it goes down with the good teams. That's how the smart organizations handle their business. Now, there was some chatter from Kiddo side during these negotiations but the forty niners can't help that. There's nothing they can do about that. What did we hear three days ago? Right? Mike Silver Saying, oh, that talks are going very slow right the INCHWORM EMOJI that's how slow they're going. Do. We hear anything from the forty niners about that. was there any sort of response did within a national reporter, a criticism of kittles agent for trying to negotiate through the media? There was nothing absolutely nothing and seventy two hours later, the forty niners and George Kill have a deal. One quick thing I want to point out that I'm sort of seeing on twitter it's unfolding as I'm recording this the forty niners may be a well run organization, but a forty nine reporters there's a little infighting their grant Cohen had a tweet earlier this week with some numbers saying the deal was going to get done and had very specific info and that turns out those numbers are not exactly with the deal is he's still on twitter trying to take credit for breaking the story and some of the other forty niners writers not really giving them any love for. Chris Vitamin. Sacramento Bee says and he's kind of a little shave without mentioning grant. Specifically you don't get credited for reporting something when the report is inaccurate for anyone curious accuracy is the most important part of what we do not being I I'm not here to bash anyone else's work. He said after bashing grand cones work people do their jobs differently. Oh, that is a major shade. That's just how I go about mine look if you're going to bash somebody if you're going to take issue with somebody on twitter. You gotta add them you. You just have to, I. Mean. First of all, you know grants GONNA. See it. mean. You guys will work together. You're all part of the forty niners beat. So just throw them on it. It looks really week when you don't do that I have to say come on Chris you're better than that. And Create Cohen Responds right after. You see how much some of these writers dislike me here's the funny thing about grant because I know on twitter like he has this amazing ability to get me to go from like zero to the maddest I've ever been with like a two word tweet just drives me nuts if you talked to grant, he's the nicest guy he's a he's a great guy just on twitter. He has this ability to rile people up and apparently it's working with the forty niners beat writers. I've been in this business for fifteen years now. Nobody cares who got it I accept people in the media nobody cares no one is sitting there with a tally at their house like Okay Schefter Twenty Six Cohen got one now and Mike four zero broke six nobody cares nobody remembers I've heard a lot of people. I heard one writer at ESPN say that the that the writers hate twitter because it's like a written record of who got what I and when. and. How far behind you were but I honestly I, I don't think anyone remembers on my twitter feed I'm sure on yours. The same tweet POPs up right like one after another George Kit agrees from Matt Maiocco George Good agrees I spyder McGeorge Kiddo agrees NBC Sports Bay area like it just comes up. So many times anyway you don't remember where it comes from come on forty niners beat writers were better than that. Let's. Let's have a modicum of professionalism please. That was just one thing I had to get off my chest. I've said to people sort of behind the scenes for years I never had a chance to say it on the air nobody cares who was first. Let's not spoil what otherwise is a fantastic day for forty niners fans with arguing about this garbage. Alright. Hate to end on a downer, but that's just had to do that quickly before I go, that's going to do it for me. You can always always always hit us up on twitter on our new twitter account. By the way, all the forty niners podcasts are going to be under one twitter at and podcast that's going to be your home for all the whole lineup which we're going to announce. Shortly, we hope to get everything signed over the weekend. So hopefully on Monday we'll have a full lineup that will be able to announce in share with you. We're really excited. About, some of the people that were going to bring on at an podcast or you can hit me up personally on twitter. I'm at stats on fire I like to say I'm on twitter for the arguments and I'm always looking for smart people who disagree please like and subscribe to the podcast please please please leave us a review good or bad if it's good great. Obviously, we like that if it's not bad tell us and we'll try and be better in the future we're here for you that's going to do it for me. I'm Rob Stats Carreira policy next time.

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Niners Explained Ep. 15: Ted Nguyen on the 49ers biggest team needs

Niners Nation

29:49 min | 6 months ago

Niners Explained Ep. 15: Ted Nguyen on the 49ers biggest team needs

"And welcome to another episode of niners explained. This is a draft episode and I am joined by Ted Ted. What's going on here? That's much just. You know getting ready for this wild draft reading these reports of these. Gm's feeling in the mock draft and excited. I some mess ups. Ted Did you watch the? Did you watch Jay Document yesterday on Sunday I? I watched the first hour and I didn't know that they're going to play two episodes on a rose. I missed the second hour I wanNA watch the replay today. Have the the one of the best parts to me? All the suits just how it seemed like kept getting bigger and bigger by the year. That was so hilarious to me. Yeah Yeah you're GONNA love that. Can you imagine how much material they use on those suits back in the day for these giant? Nba Players. Right man guys are six seven six eight and just so much. All of their Taylor's stylish should be fired. That go back in time and do that. Okay but we are talking about the NFL draft and obviously the forty. Niners have two first round picks. It will be a great dravid. It's going to be interesting. It's GONNA be exciting. And as Ted mentioned they are going to be some blunders and hiccups in. Oh man and cannot wait. So let's let's start out with talking about other forty niners team needs because everybody everybody has nailed down the forty niners team needs. But I don't know if we've really talked about the different types of order I guess putting ranking the positions in order so in your world first of all. Let's let's give you a proper introduction. What do you do for a living a staff writer for the athletic? So I I write about the entire. Nfl Athletic. But I do specialize. In what the raiders? Niners who I started covering I and do a podcast state. In the nation about the raiders and Yeah that's pretty much it. That's my life just watching film in type in about it just typing about it and I love that okay. So let's let's get back to. So Ted is very familiar with the forty niners. And he's watched them all year. How many years you've been covering this is my third year cover niners cuckoos and obviously. This was a lot different than the last two years past season. So now the forty niners we know. They have a super bowl roster. Some of their team needs so receivers obvious warned that everybody loves to talk about just because it's the easiest position to talk about but forty niners also have needs along the offensive line. They have a need on the interior line. And then at cornerback of those positions. Is there any? Is there anyone first off that missing? No I think that s pretty much. I think the niners very complete team I mean. Obviously they made super bowl with the Pretty much the same roster. That's coming back. They are missing some players like Emmanuel Sanders. A deforest Buckner But I mean I think an underrated need is defensive line because I think that their identity was so ingrained in just having a strong four-man pass rush that missing deforest buckner can be huge and I don't know they need a a starter at defensive line. I think they need somebody to come in on third down and provide some Pass Rush Value. Hundred percent agree and we. I've seen a lot of quite a few fans. Just not happy about the idea of the team. Investing in deforest buckner replacement especially in the first but as you mentioned man just with end with what John Lynch has said. He said he wants to build this team around the defensive line and he said last year so he went out and got Ford and now without deforest Buckner. There is a significant hole inside. And I've seen people say that you know defensive. Tackle is not a you know a priority and I just cannot disagree with that more. I think it's a matter of the forty niners finding out the right piece. And why do I can get behind the argument of not taking a defensive tackle in the in the first round? I just think that you know they cannot get out of this draft without getting somebody that can rush the passer from the inside. So I'm glad you brought that up. How about what was after after defensive tackle? We're how how. How would you rank? I guess would you put office of line or wide receiver? I I'll I'll say wide receiver Because you know we saw what kind of impact Emmanuel Sanders made as soon as he got into that lineup and I I think it's fair to believe that deal Samuel's GonNa take another step up as a wide receiver in his progression as a wide receiver. And I think Tra Taylor is very interesting. Atlanta coaches really high on him during training camp. He had a really good training camp before his injured. But can you really depend on him? Coming back being injured two years in a row So yeah I think they need a big play receiver and you know. That's why I think. A lot of people are connecting them to henry rugs because he fits exactly what they need a guy that could take the top defense. I think he does struggle against physical corners. Which is concern of mine but I also believe that cal Shanahan is GonNa find ways to get him free releases. Whether it's motioning meant to stacks. They ready use a lot of dense formations. And it's hard to press incandescent formation So I'd say receiver be the second need they need and that is so we are going to talk about receivers a little bit done line here where are you? Where did you go to any of the training camp slasher? I was at a at a training camp last year so I was there early on and what I saw from trend Taylor was that it was pretty clear that Jimmy Garoppolo trust him more than I mean more than anybody. At that point he was going to tailor on third downs over George. Biddle and obviously that was just practice but I think there are just kind of a built in relationship with those two so yeah if they can get Taylor healthy. That would be big. But he's not a big play guy he's going to. He's going to be a receiver. That's going to be you know like your intermediate possession receiver which is not. There's not a bad thing but the forty niners. Do you need somebody that can stretch the field that can went on every level? So I do. I can't see why the forty niners would be interested in rugs. I think thirteen is just a bit rich for him. But I mean it's IT'D BE TOUGH TO BE A. We're talking about one of the best play cars in the NFL. So if Shan gets his hand on any receiver the odds that they are going to be able to put him in. The best situation is very very high so other than that. So how is cornerback? Just not that big of a deal do you think or be. Because Emmanuel's he did play very considering his situation. Witherspoon faded. But I mean it's still very talented. And then you have Richard Sherman. Obviously all probe those contracts are all up after two thousand so the forty niners are going to have to look toward the future. Should the forty niners invest? Highly in? Cornerback this year. Yeah I think quarterback is a huge need as well but I. I think they'll be okay. This season If they don't invest high draft apple and a quarterback because sermon did play at all pro level And Moseley is okay and I do believe I still believe in Witherspoon. I think that he can develop into starting quality corner a a better than star calling corner. You just don't find guys that could move Kim and I. I think he did progress this year. I think he did have some bad plays and that might have left a sour taste in fans fans miles but I did see a progressive from him and the hope is that he could take another step this year because he has all the physical talents. You want in cornerback of so. I think they're okay at the quarterback position if they stay put obviously you want to add some more speed and you want to add some depth being. You know that you're going to have some guys in their final contract next year up but I don't think is as pressing as the first two needs. We talked about and I agree too and I'm glad you brought that up with his room. Because man before he was injured he was playing. I like an all pro level and I'm not just throwing that around. He was really that playing that well and he. He lost his confidence and he started to seem like he just started second guessing everything when the ball is in the air and he started panicking and not playing his bass. But as you said you will not find five better quarterbacks in the NFL just like that can do what he can do athletically physically as far as his running and changing directions in leaping but yes put it all together and we saw that a little bit. But it's going to be. It will be difficult to imagine him being able to do that. You know more and more but again with more reps with more confidence that could change so between him and Moseley that they do have some talented cornerbacks. It's just a matter of after twenty twenty but I I don't think it would be wise to invest early in the draft and a cornerback just given the way. The the draft is shaped out as far as positional value is but we'll see how it goes Other than that. Let's go back to the receivers and obviously this is going to be the biggest topic that anybody wants to talk about but forty niners fans are pretty convinced that if they do not select a receiver at thirteen than there there will be no wide receivers available. Is it draft a rec- rat thirteen or bus? No I mean. This is the deepest lava class. We've seen in a long long time. And there's three top guys but they're even three top guys. They are like Calvin Johnson type prospects it so you you have the three top guys but you also have tons of debt In the second third even fourth rounds you might be able to find a starter Guys like Denzel Names Is a big play guy. I don't know if the niners would love Denzel mims because he still so raw even though f senior bowl he He showed he can run the whole route trie but he still needs development at area. I don't know if couch Han Hanley's love that But if you're looking at big play guys raider You could probably get rigor and a third round A guy who doesn't talk get talked about much. Hamlet from Penn state who has as much. He's not as fast as rugs. But I I think pretty close So if you're looking for big play guys they're definitely guys into a third round fourth round that you get. I don't believe the niners have a third round pick this year. Though right right they they they do not have a second third or fourth which is why we are seeing. You know all these trade back scenarios from pick number thirty one but those are those are all great names. I'm a big big main mims fan. I am probably an even bigger hamlet fan and I know that he gets is messed up the first thing you say about receivers well he might not be able to catch but honestly man everything else about his game. It's just e is going to be good and just the way that the NFL shaped right now. It is hard to imagine him not being just a very good player in the NFL. He might not be like everyone wants to think anybody. That's fast has to be like a tire. Keel or like Sean Jackson. We don't have to go to that end of the spectrum. He can just be a really good football player and manager. I spent like all week and watching his touch just to make sure that I'm not crazy. But it's it's he's just so good man and that's I guess that's really all that I can say. Is there a receiver that you do feel like outside of the top three best bits? The forty niners I think hammer fits extremely well with what the niners are looking for him and he he could do handoffs it can do. Those gadget plays as well so you have two players That that can do that and like like we mentioned. The niners need a deep speed guide to replace. What a Marquise Goodwin did for them When he was playing at his best markey's Goodwin's future with the team is questionable but when he was at his best he you know he he was a really good deep threat for a niner's running those skinny post on a Yankee as we know as one of the niners base place so that they need that Guy Yup like a run that that deep post so I I think Hamblur fits well with that. I think Reagan fits well with that I just think the niners are are looking for more speed. They have guys that could work underneath. Trend Taylor deebo Samuel But they just need that guy to take the top off of defense so call Shannon talked about I forget when he said this but he said that he wants his receivers to be like a starting five in basketball team where you had basically complementing each other and and I I can see people watching depot and thinking. Oh Hamlin regular irregular are in the same vein but both of those guys do win down the field and it's not the depot camp but you don't really need him too. He's established under Nathan. He's like a slant God so you really have to do that. He can run all those over. Routes in Hamlin. Rieger can really stressful. So those are two great names obvious and honestly it would be tough to find better fits in that and I am also glad that you brought those two up because a lot of people think that now the forty niners they have to get a six three receiver or they have to get a guy that that is big just because in most people's mind if you are not tall you cannot win down the field but as we've seen with those two regan handler those to have no issues winning down the field because it's more about separation as opposed to just know winning with contested catches. So are there any that could potentially spoil the forty niners because we we've seen teams for example. The falcons have been very aggressive room to move up this week. Not sure who they are tied to sleep. Spies say that it's probably C. J. Anderson which would be good news for the forty nine and just because that's a cornerback off the board and it pushes down another piano player Philadelphia's another team. That's rumored to be you know moving up for receiver and they supposedly like Henry Rugs so we will see how that shakes out is there. Is there anything that can possibly spoil the forty niners or is it? Is it going to be good news no matter what well the rumors? Kansas City wants to trade for Henry Rugs as well I don't know if that's capitol but that would be ridiculous if they got Henry Rugs on that team with your speed. They already have on the team But the raiders are picking right before the niners in and they need a wide receiver as well I it's funny. That the raiders had niners have picked pretty close to each other for the past few years and have similar needs as well and this is going to be another year where that happens but this time. The raiders going to pick up. So the raiders might have their pick the top receivers before the niners. Actually get to pick So who knows maybe they picked rugs. Is there receiver that they're that they're linked to that they've been linked to or? Is it just kind of a guessing game like everything else? It seems like guys that are close to the team Are Linking Jerry. Judy to the raiders more than seedy but feel like Stevie With their car. Hit the most chemistry with Michael crabtree over any receivers he played with and I I think. Cd loosely has a similar game to crabtree And cardis hasn't played with many big receivers that he could trust and I exceeded would have a pretty good report with cars. He gets drafted. But obviously you can't go wrong with Judy twohey. She's just a super crafty route runner. When the best route renters seen come out of draft a long? Do you have a top five. Receiver rankings up. Yeah my my top five CD CD. Judy Rugs Jefferson and mims and not Jefferson. Mems are I think interchangeable because I think Jefferson is mostly a slot receiver. I think he does have some outside value but I just don't think he's GonNa win outside consistently but if you really want a guy that classic x receiver that You might want to go with mims. Over Jefferson cool. I have judy lamb. Which is like a coin flip honestly because we're just talking about guys that are probably going to be pro bowl all pro players and then after that. I have mems at three which is pretty obnoxiously high. But I've just looking at what he does well and what translates to the NFL. I just feel like he's going to be very good. Probably not for the forty niners but a team like the packers Teams at stretch. The filled like mems is going to be a star on those type of team. So that's what that's where that projection comes and then four I. This is pretty. This is pretty stubborn and probably ignorant. But I couldn't move higgins just because I I just liked what he brought to the table. So much and then five is k. J. Hamblur who? Obviously we talked about. I think he's going to outperform a lot of the other guys. That are going to go ahead of him. So it's it's GonNa be fun draft and let's get to Peter King's Mach which came out Monday morning and he had the forty niners moving back to pick number. Twenty three is where I believe. The Patriots are selecting and the Patriots traded up for to the forty niners. Were able to add a twenty twenty one first round pick and in that mock draft. They selected Houston's offense tackle Josh Jones. I believe his name is who I think. It's very good actually. I think he'd be a great fit for the forty niners and I would have no problem if that was the case. Even though I'm usually anti offensive tackle in the first round but an in that call in that case where you add a first round player at a future first round is a smart is a smart move. The question is is that a smart move in the current times given that we might not have college football and we don't know what's going to happen in two thousand twenty one so instead of adding future picks why not take advantage of this this draft. You do you. I got you know where I'm going with this. You haven't do you. Would you do the same thing? Is that something that the forty niners or any team should do. Considering you know the whole global pandemic that we are in right now. I didn't think about that angle where we don't know what's going to happen with the college season next year. So you don't know what the draft order is going to be you. Don't you know who knows the right film on on these guys? You know evaluation. You'd be extremely tough. Obviously you don't have that That last season But I think the niners specifically the Super Windows Super Bowl windows are so small and they're in their window right now. I don't I don't know if you WANNA take a chance on on Drafting a guy next year when you can load up for another super bowl run This year and you know who knows what's going to happen to your after you have expiring contract. You have guys need to get paid. There might be another couple reloading years before. You're back until you're super Simple window again. So I'd say take a swing this year and go for it and I I would agree with that just because as you mentioned. There's just so much unknown you're just. You're just playing a guessing game so why not take advantage of everything that you have in front of you right now in this the super window those close fast and we've seen look at the last few. Nfc teams just as far as the eagles and the Rams and look where they are right. Now just it's a struggle man. I don't think it's it's wise to just project 2021 obviously you want to build for the future also Wanna be able to take advantage of what is in front of you right now the last thing that we will touch on is Michael Lombardi of the athletic coup. I've seen for Nice France. Say He's been way off in the past and people are just so sensitive information that you know in their mind. If it's not exactly is was not from schefter. They think it's fake. And if it's not something that falls in line with what they've been seeing than they're going to just be turned off by it so. Lombardi said his tweet was from talking to teams around the forty niners from talking to teams around the League. The forty nine hundred want to clean up some cap issues that they have with. D. Ford Quantum Alexander and along with marquise Goodwin quickie Tart for trade. Will they get any takers? Not sure but for names on our on the available list for the right price holy hell man that that bomb came at came around. Eleven o'clock Yeah it was right right at eleven o'clock in the morning and I. I think anybody expected that. Markey's Goodwin being available for trade. That's not really news. We talked about that for quite a bit but the forty niners just traded for defor last season gave him like an eighty seven million dollars deal in the way they structure their salary cap. It's it's never just what the contract reads on the surface and they just they just signed it quark. Zander's well they also just restructured. Kwan's contract in November. So just hearing. That was pretty surprising. Yeah the contract isn't great and there are some salary cap issues that the forty niners have put themselves in so it makes sense that they want to get out from underneath this. But now we're talking about three quality starters tart. A lot of people are not familiar with how good he is. Football players not splashy. He's not flashy. He's not GonNa make the highlight reels but man he. He just does so much that defense that I would like He. He's one of my one of my favorite players to watch on the DEFENSEMAN. I just really enjoy watching him as a football player by up. Let's let's just start here. Who Out of those three names? Ford Alexander Heart. Do you think who do you think is most likely to be moved? If that were the case I'd say Goodwin is most likely to be moved. I mean he was the one name on a list. That just wasn't very surprising that he was on the on the trade bloc just because he hasn't played with the nine years for the just because of different issues. And you know we don't know exactly what those issues were but It seems pretty. Clear that the niners are ready to move on from that and draft another speed receiver So that yeah good. One doesn't surprise me as a guy that's going to be on the move and just looking at some of the salary cap so if the forty niners were to move on from Alexander with a Pre June one designation they would have to eat thirteen point five million in dead money. So that's not gonNA happen. If they were to trade kwan with a post Yun one designation they would only have to eat three point one million in dead money and I think they'd save they'd say that same amount against the cap so that would be a lot more easy but still the question is what is what is quantum Alexander's value. At this point. I would have no idea. Yeah I mean we know that the the niners Love Quantum Alexander and he was a playmaker he you know he really focus on his Rehab to get somehow play in the in the Super Bowl but at the same time they played pretty decent with gridlocked. Much cheaper there too so It like you said it just doesn't make sense as far as The money an lefty do trade him after June first. But you know these rumors come right now which is a little surprising so I could see why they might want to trade him just because greenlaw played will But at the same time I don't see that happening as well. The two names that really surprised when list was quantum Alexander and the four. I can't see them trading the forty even with his injury is last year being injured so much They just traded for him to give that new contract and they're not gonNA find a rusher. Close the Ford at the at nowhere nowhere. Yeah so I I can't see them training So yeah the Ford and Alexander. Very surprising that they were on that list was man so the forty niners if they were to trade Ford they would save fourteen point three million against a cap with a post June one designation. So that would would make sense why they would wanna move forward but if you move on from four you are just taking a giant step back because now you do not have. Ford have buckner and you're just putting so much pressure on both in Armstead to perform that you when you are essentially you were building and now you are taking a step back. I think if they move on from Ford they would have somebody at mine. They would have to have somebody in mind. That would come in. And I don't know if that's in the draft who else us chase on or Notre Dame has a guy. I don't know if you've watched him. Have you watched Julian Akhara? Harry Says No. I really haven't seen that many edge rusher destroy season. I haven't either for obvious reasons. And now that's like might have to go back but but they could maybe bringing clowney which that's not going to save you much money or they can go after young. Who's been in a twitter tirade on Monday but again like these? You're going to have to give up for yet. You'd have to give up. Probably a first round pick and then you have to turn around and pay him twenty million dollars. So you're not. You're not doing yourself any favors. I mean Ford's availability is an issue but just as a player as a pass rusher when he was on the field the forty niners were historically good like there was no team and history that was able to get after the quarterback as much as forty niners did when he was on the field. I think they're they're pressure. Rate was absurd thirty eight percent or something so ridiculous so I'm not sure. Why would I know why they would move on from Ford but man you better have a plan and a replacement in hand before that deal is done because there will be a lot of projections without Ford on the team? A So other than that. I mean I understand why they move on from charges because last season of his contract and you know he's they can save. I believe it's four million dollars if they move on from him. Which might seem like much but that that right there could just rips more will room in the future and obviously when they tried to get the deal done. So yeah that was. That was a bombshell that I did not expect there is not there. It's we're going to talk about a lot of news as it continues. Is there before we get out of here? What would be your prediction for? Who the forty niners select. I can see the going rugs and Kim Law in the first round. I don't know if you watch a lot of Kim Law. But he has a lot upside pretty Ross. Still but I mean he's a guy that you could at least put in third down and I I think you'll be a pretty dangerous situational rusher at least right off the bat and obviously they were talking. We talked about the need for speed for the niners so I broke will be available at thirteen. I have watched Kinloch and I. I think that the fans that do not want Kim on the forty niners have never seen him play. That is the only explanation that I can come up with because I do think he's one of the ten best players in the draft and you might not be as high on him but I do think that he reminds me a lot of Chris. Jones coming out. I don't know if you remember watching him but there the tools were there. It was so obvious that he was going to be good that he just needed to put it together and sure enough he was able to put it together and now he's one of the better interior linemen in the league and I could just see Ken law with that kind of force with the aggression that he plays within Hayes wins so much as a pass rusher and he still has so much room for improvement. That it's it's hard to imagine. He won't be a very good player so I would love Ken. Law Man I. I don't know I just don't know right now. Honestly don't I don't think lamb is going to be there for the forty niners to pick. I can see another team moving for rugs which leaves Judy. And you the common sense. Thank Kyle Shanahan. Would you would think he would love Judy. Just because he is a sin like he's a great route runner. He is probably the what who's been the best. Route runner is he. Hasn't is he the best runners since Amari came out. Probably I think so. I mean just as far as all the routes he runs out smooth is all the little nuances So detailed and it is route running that you don't see that much from receiver so young IRIB. Yeah you just you can just see if you just watch duke. The very first game this season just the way he sets up defenders with. It's so efficient too. It's not wasting time so everything is on time. And he's still the quarterback Through drive getting out and Judas cravings separation product to three against these guys. He doesn't ever again though it's not do gets its against lsu against the best defense in the in the college football. So I mean I would love. Judy would not have a problem with them. Going with kin law would not have a problem with him going with lamb. I don't think rugs is worth the thirteenth overall. Pick but if they take rugs in the first round the odds that he is going to be put in. A situation to succeed is very good. So CAN I. It would just be so tough for them to mess this draft up so I will. We will wait and see for that. But thanks TAB man. Is there anything you WANNA play before you get out of here? I mean I wrote a article about T- lamb Jerry Judy Henry rugs on the athletic you want to read more about those receivers But that's pretty much it awesome right on. Where can we find you on twitter's at F. B. Underscore film analysis air? It is and I am Kyle. Posey you can find me at. Kp underscores show. Thanks for tuning in and we will probably be back. Thursday take care.

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Scarlet Jimmies Ep. 14: Reactions to Armstead's deal, Buckner's trade

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Scarlet Jimmies Ep. 14: Reactions to Armstead's deal, Buckner's trade

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Out of the last six seven years worked sports media for a long time so once we got the assignment that Working on niners nation. I was excited. And this won't be the last time you hear me on the podcast Object up to get going here. It's lovely man so slow News Day Jazz and forty niners. Yeah you know what I wasn't expecting IT I. I was super shock. Not when I saw the Armstead News obviously I think when you saw the defoe news that I would just like what But the more you look at it and the fact that team at so much success This past season. I think you're looking at it now. That tough decisions. We're GONNA have to be made eventually. You know what you're going to have a Kiddo coming up for a big extension. Eventually you'RE GONNA Nick Bosa coming up for an extension and I think You know with with Jimmy contract loaded the way it is. I think it gives them some flexibility to make keeping some of their star guys So a top decision for them overall today. What would you think about it? Yeah that's a good point. Just starting with they are going to have. They can't pay everybody so when you draft well and when you were players perform well they are going to want extensions. Like there's this is the business side of things that we'd never really talk about but arm said was like incredible this past year buckner has been incredible of his career. And we'll get to buckner. You know arm said why they did what they did. But starting with Armstead I feel like there was just nobody that will replace him and I've seen a lot of fans I'm a little surprised by the pushback from fans as far as just armstead because he's either a quote unquote one year. Wonder which I don't think he was. And the fact that you know you can't you have to pay buckner just because Buckner whiz quote unquote a better player. Which if you're looking at things in a box yet. Buckner is a better player. But you have to talk about the positional value. And I just think that it makes sense and when you look at Armstead's contract so over the cap release data and also armstead signed a five year. Eighty five million dollar deal and it's never as simple as you know seventeen million a season especially with the forty niners so the way that armstead cat or sorry contract is broken down two thousand twenty. His cap number is six million dollars. Twenty twenty one. His cap number is twelve. Point five million dollars so just getting him. The first two years on those numbers that is like amazing. That's like paradise guessing on the contract. God's once again because it always seems like the team comes up with a team friendly Dylan. This is no different. So the that? That's a good thing because the next three years the arm says contract jumps to twenty twenty million and over so the TV deals like the the TV deals are going to come up in twenty twenty one. I believe so the salary caps can arise a lot so the fact that the forty niners can get armstead essentially under nineteen million for two years. Total like that is a big win in once. I have to really start paying him. The SAUERKRAUT will be increased by some think. It's GonNa jump up to so right now. It's one thousand eight million some believe that it'll go as high as two hundred eight. You know twenty forty million over the next couple of years so yeah the deal looks really good. And just arm- says a really good player. That's tough to replace. You are going to be able to count on him playing which you cannot say that all for the rest of the forty niners defensive line and just knowing his positional value man. He's inside outside. You can do a lot of things on your defense with him. So yeah I I like it I mean just looking at the contract itself really like is so great on it. I'd say be plus for sure. What what about you can say all GonNa say it'd be with people to I mean I didn't expect the fact that coming into to to you know the start of the tampering period. Really that they were going to make this bold of a move and we saw the tweet online. Somebody said. There's a big trade involving defensive lineman coming up defensive lineman coming up and I didn't even think damn what's going to be deforest buckner but I was happy with the arm said and I I get some of the angst among fans for the fact that armistead obviously reached a whole new level this year. I mean it hadn't been totally healthy throughout who is beginning to seasons with with the niners. But when when you look at him this year I think obviously adding and adding nipples through the draft. That kind of gave him the flexibility to to. Maybe you know. Give him a little bit more room to grow in a little bit more to be an impact player so he took full advantage of that is it does remain to be seen how much the defensive line takes a hit by by trading buckner but one thing that that we've looked at with the niners and you know they spent all those first round picks on on on getting offensive linemen. They were and I don't want to end. This is not to demean buckner at all but they were demeaning they dealing from a position of strength whereas like okay we can maybe afford to lose one of these guys because we have so much talent there so I think that's what John Lynch who was looking at like when he when he made the decision. Absolutely and that that's part of the decision and I don't envy the forty niners front office to have to pick between armstead or buckner and also I don't think it just comes down to arm set or Buckner. We are going to find out. You know with the free agency. Common Winfried she has done and then when the draft finishes well who Bucknor's replacement will be so let's talk about the buckner trade here so buckner and what I what I found out is niners nation about an hour before the the trade broke I. I've I found out what it was so I've found out. The forty niners are going to trade buckner who the team was knew that they were going to trade with a team inside the top fifteen so I was like. Wow Wow wow wow and then found out that it was. Colts found out that it was in exchange for the first round. Pick so if we just talk about the business part of this so ignore every thing else your personal fillings on Buckner if you can draft a player in the first round get four really really good years out of him and then flip him for another first round. Pick without having to pay him fifteen. Twenty whatever million dollars it was and bugger ended up getting just a giant deal from the colts. He I believe it was twenty one million season for the from the forty niners standpoint like Bob is as good a like as good of long-term business as against that is exactly how this business works if you want to sustain success you WanNa flip guys and as you mention. Armstead took the next step this year. Like a giant step that you have to give credit to see that is due to you. Know him being surrounded by really good players as well so with that in mind. There's no reason to think that Armstead is going to just all of a sudden take a step back with how he's playing so yeah just from that business point of view. I would like you. I feel you do this deal every time because arm said team friendly deal you get a like a very really really valuable. Pick at number thirteen. Especially when you factor in the forty niners had no draft capital or really financial flexibility to to move make any sort of maneuvers over the next couple of months so in that situation so yet multiple first rounder is now you can you know make moves on draft day you can move up and down draft you can create cap space. You can make all sorts of other moves like there's no brainer to me when you take a step back and look at you know everything involved big picture. Not just one of the Not Lynch's because drop up in but we're talking about the best players like on niners nation. We did. We had all our staff last year. Vote for coming into the season. The Best Player on the team and Buckner was number one. Like nobody's denying that. Buckner is a phenomenal player In this is my first year covering the forty niners and like this guy was easily one of my favorite players to Wash fair-play root for just he would always answer questions it was. I can answer a one word. A one line question and buckner would give me like a forty five second answer. He's up there with Richard Sherman. Just as as going into death with answer so yeah man. I'm GonNa miss him now. Regard and obviously as a player talking about one of the Best Interior Defensive Lineman but one of the issues as you know I've seen a lot back. The the forty niners armstead over buckner and it wasn't that at all so as we saw this has been in the works a while so buckner wanted Aaron Donald Money. The forty niners were not going to give him. Aaron Donald Money because of the other investments that they have as you mentioned they have kill coming up Jimmy G. Down the line if they do have to go that direction but then that armstead and a paid armstead and you have flexibility for the rest of your team for obvious reasons. So they really weren't left with much of a choice. Once you know buckner was not going to move off the stance that he wanted to be paid like a top defensive. Lineman there is no like if your buckner. Why wouldn't you want that? So there's there's nothing wrong with that at also just from the from the business side I get it from the personal side as well like I understand why you have to deal with buckner but again I think it's just a great deal for the forty niners when you look at what they can do as far as in the first round and you know making more moves because now they have after the deal and after signing armstead today they still have sixteen. I just a little over sixteen million sour cap space so yeah just big move overall. I give this deal in a minus because I understand the value of a first round pick and I know that they can flip one or sorry. Thirteen thirty wine to more picks move back in the second third and Schefter Adam. Schefter said when the deal happen that the forty niners are more than likely going to shop one of the first round. Pick so I this. A minus love Buckner. Thing is a great player. I just have a hard time paying a honestly anybody that much money. That's not a quarterback especially when I have the type of talent on defense as well so it'll be tough to replace him. He's not going to be easy to replace it all and he might be one of the more difficult players on the on the defense or even the roster to replace but there are so many other parts involved on the defense that you know you can probably get by with it. So I go a minus. Woody thing I'll give this one a B two and and like you're saying like I mean I find that with With the team you know you mentioned the people who are saying they chose arm said over buckner I think if they if the salaries were equal they will take buckner ten times out of ten. I don't think there's no doubt about that. It was just looking at it like you mentioned from a business side and a business standpoint. This just made more sense than and I agree. I I think you know. Buckner was was the most valuable defensive lineman even even more so than nick both because of everything he does there and attracting the double teams and and and his ability to the to get after the running back and then get after the quarterback at a at a decent rate despite the fact that he was always having extra attention paid to him and You know to me. I think that it makes sense. That the fact that the forty niners had to listen and like you mentioned. I mean. They're going to have the. I would like to see them using over thirteen. Pick because obviously you're GONNA get a you know a pretty damn good player at that point and used that number thirty one to maybe you know get a second and fourth round or an extra fifth rounder. Because they had that gap that they're they're not picking for the for the second third and four so I think they gave him some options and like you mentioned in the NFL. When we're a good team we see bill to this all the time with the with the Patriots that. Hey you know what sometimes you have to. You have to move A very good player if not a superstar like deforest Buckner in order for you to kind of maintain your success and I think when they look at it that that was a move they had to make. Let me ask you. This is Bucknor's replacement on the roster. Already that's a good question I was. I was I was looking. I thought earlier too. I mean it's depends on who you're going to go with. I'm of the belief that I think we've seen enough to solve your comments to know what we're getting out of him You know I don't anticipate him being being a long term solution for anything just because of an give him the benefit of the doubt because the personal issues that he went through with you know with the sisters situation and and you know there's no denying that will take a toll on anyone but You know I think in terms of that. I don't I don't know but they have options. You know on the on the defensive line that that they can look at it and and and try and give one of these young guys. More of a shot. it's going to be interesting. Where where do you sit on all that I just saw as you mentioned obscene this thrown out? You know today on just four nights twitter where we're seeing you know. Hey why not just put Solomon Thomas on the edge and kick armstead inside which is probably going to play a line inside moving moving forward and that was going to be the case either way but I just don't see how you can trust accounting givens. Solomon Thomas Kentavious St Julian Taylor in a full time role. Because we've seen if Salman Thomas wasn't going to you know show out or have not. He didn't have to have an Armstead type year. But even if he had like a Ronald Blared Demont D'Amato more like a lower level year that was successful. It would have been easy to have some faith in him but marriages. Maybe one or two splash plays every other game and and after that there wasn't much at all so I I don't think so I really don't I. I know that they met with a guy from TCU Ross Blackhawk. I believe it was in east. He's thought to be in the later. I rouse maybe with that that second first round pick or if he's doing a trading back that's a guy to keep an eye on but I don't man i. It'd be nice if they if they were to make some sort of splashed around harvey was a good one but he just signed with the eagles. John Reid is a sneaky one to still him away from the seahawks but I mean if you if you make a splash like that and free agency. These guys are gonNA cost quite a bit of money so Perot would have to work his magic and get under the salary. Cap Just signed him to a team from deals. Well but my answer is no just because What's on the roster right now? Those guys are part time players. And I think it's less as more with these players and that's that's just not the forty niners need right now so when I would say is moving forwards as we talked about thirteen. Thirty one is the forty niners. Do have plenty of Flexibility Matt. Maiocco said today that this is not going to be the last trade that we see from the forty niners before the draft which is pretty interesting. I wonder what he's hinting in. Stefan digs for those that don't know loves cryptic tweets. He does this every day like I didn't even entertain it but he made it seem like he's going to get moved in on a forty niners. Who like who wouldn't want Stefan. Let's be honest. Because he encountered Shannon offense to he's going to make a big difference but could you see the forty niners making any other move and I guess for any sort of position. What would it be receiver What I think it depends on that. I know what the what Michael said I mean to me? I'm looking at it and saying okay if you look at it. This is a very rich and deep draft wide receivers. What all the pundits are basically saying. This is a stack wide receiver class. So if you're able to get one of those guys that you know at thirteen thirty one again if you stay at Thirteen. I mean jury might be a bit too much. But he got. Cd LAMB A henry rugs. You've got all these guys available that that that you could potentially have so if you can solve that through the draft and get a playmaker which I think they need to win. I mean obviously with Deebo being as good as he was this season. You're hoping he takes another step in his next year and then you got Emmanuel Sanders at situation looking. Like he's probably not gonNA come back but you're going to have a whole there and you know we try and Tailor Jalen. Hurd these guys coming back. I think they're they`re. They're not going to really address that situation so I I don't know and I think that if they do make another trade. I wouldn't be surprised if it's someone that we're like. Damn they traded him. You know what I mean like something. We didn't expect so. I think that if if they keep the thirteenth picking and their sights are set on getting a receiver there. Then I mean I. I don't know how big of a movie that really GonNa make you. Don't WanNa take her too much with the roster But if they decide to maybe go after someone and trade I F on digs and that opens up a whole new can of worms in terms of what you can do with thirteen thirteenth. Absolutely and I think if you trade thirteen like if you WanNa really have some fun you can trade thirteen and honestly get anybody like I mean quote unquote. Anybody wanted just because of the value that has but looking at digs contract. He is under contract for four more years and that has cap number is at at its highest. It is fifteen million so it you can. I mean I'm sure you can obviously restructure if you want to you but the four nine could make it work if they wanted to digs really player. Would I've heard and I've been teasing this a little bit on. Niners NATION DOT COM that and I put on twitter as well so the there is one receiver in the fridge market. The forty niners are working with right now from what I've heard and they are not the front runners because the colts are going to make a serious run at him and he. They are currently the leaders. But Amari Cooper is definitely on the forty niners right all right now. It is between the colts and the forty niners. And there's one other team that I forgot there is It's it's three teams. The colts in the forty niners. I'm blanking off the top of my head but man. If if they found a way to structure a deal to bring Amari frigging cooper on the roster. So I don't know how familiar you are with Ari. First of all twenty five years old will turn twenty six. June is just an outstanding route runner. And just I mean he does everything well. There is if if there was a receiver that you wanted to be in cowshed offense. You're going to take a more a cooper probably over Steph on digs and Amari is going to be. He's going to be on the team for the next four or five years as well so that would that would probably be better than Emmanuel Sanders. Who Man he he did a great job of Don King on me last week and share some information. Where like just like I did today. Decided Cooper. Just now. It's just conversation man. I'm not trying to break news. I'm not trying to be Adam. Schefter this is all it is is just what I hear and there are going to be times. I'm sure when I'm way off. But that time he was not very happy about it but for those of you wondering deforest Buckner did the same thing where not to me where he just shot down that he rejected a contract and sure enough he got traded today so we'll see if sanders is back. I imagine it's going to be a soft market for both him and Jimmy Ward. And if it's not it doesn't turn out. They want it to the forty niners will be able to welcome them back on a more like they did before team friendly deal. I think we have so much more to go but it was. It was a fun first day. That's for sure Buckner trade forty niners have two first round. Pigs armstead is on the roster for another five years So the forty niners were also interested in Philip Dorset. Who is essentially an? I'm not gonNA say a better version of MARKEY'S GOODWIN. But he's you know we'll we'll just call it a homeless man's version of a good education. Yep So Marcus. Goodwin is another name that when we're talking about trade it doesn't have to be a big trade the forty niners. Good Mate Duff. could just ship. Markey's Godunov for like a fifth or sixth round. Pick or the same with Solomon Thomas. So don't be surprised if that happens and I do think Goodwin does end up getting traded. I know that they're trying to do so. He had you imagine the SF suitors. Just it's not going to be for too much too valuable of a pick so I feel like we covered it all man other than that The forty niners made a run at Austin Hooper. Which was pretty surprising surprised news. Yeah I was. I think I actually like what what dwelling blood at certain points last season. I think I'm hoping that you can he can. He can improve as well Going into next season but and I like the fact that I was reading about that niners Delaney Walker. I mean he's available and if you if you're really looking for someone because beyond it skills playing almost one hundred percent of every game anyways you know depending on his health so Whoever you have a great blocker you WanNa have someone who's a great blocker can also make a make a timely reception when they're called upon so I think the forty niners have options. I was surprised that the hooper thing especially looking that he signed it at basic eleven million average pervy if he gets all the all the money on the contract so again. That was surprising to me. But Hey I love the fact that John Lynch you know last year even and people are are split on him on the on the website at O- as well Beckham they were in it and they almost seem like they're in the conversation for everyone as ridiculous as it might sound at certain points like we know what Tom Brady. But at least you know that. John Lynch Everything they can to improve this team. I. There is doubt as well said and that's perfectly said really because there is. I would not want to root for a team or just cover a team that you just see all these other teams making especially if you're contender. Because the forty niners are at a point where Eric contender and they are making moves like they are contender but last year they were coming off a four one season super aggressive in the free agency. And we're seeing that again this year where you know hooper who as you mentioned forty four million dollars contract. You're wondering how in the world with a forty niners be able to fit him under the Under their CAP. But you know they're they're gonNA make it work. They're going to figure out a way but it it is interesting. I think dwell while he's fine like that shouldn't stop you from upgrade him and I think that's where a lot of it gets lost when we're talking about moving on from players or trading cutting no restructuring. Whatever may be these should not stop you from upgrading. And the the only other news. That we didn't hit was De'andre freaking Hopkins is in the NFC West now because bill. O'brien does not have a brain. They traded the best receiver arguably the best receiver in the NFL. For a second round. Pick and the offloaded David Johnson and they made sure that the Texans are going to take all of Johnson's base salary on top of that. They gave the cardinals like a fourth round pick. I believe it was what in the world is going on. Man The cardinals. The cardinals are going to be dangerous. I don't think there will be dangerous next year but down the line eventually. They're going to be very good because I mean they're already a nuisance with forty niners last year so I can only imagine adding Hopkins cuyler having another year under his belt Was there anything else that surprise you among the moves are made today? I want to say about the Texans move. I remember I saw it on twitter. And my legitimately called. My first came to my mind was what the Hell is bill. O'brien like why I don't make that trade with any team from any other division in the NFL. But it had to be it. Had TO BE THEY ARIZONA cardinals. And I'm with you. I I think hopping makes them much better. I don't think that makes him a contender to win the division next year although in the NFL you know you never really know but to me. That was the biggest biggest shocker to me as well in the NFC west is going to be loaded next year. So you know like we talked about Seeing that John Lynch is knows at the team won. The division last year won the conference last year. Wants to keep them there and he's willing to make whatever moves he has to in order to to to keep their spot on top of the perch the division. I'm interested to see if you know these little moves. We see them. Go after a cornerback. Now maybe that maybe you're right for the draft. Who knows. I know that you know Byron Jones just signed and another. What's his name Bradberry? Signed as well roby gone. So there's some some of the bigger name free agent cornerback off the board. But I wonder if this move will force John Lynch to make a make a move at cornerback. We will see we will find out man. It was fun day and hopefully we are just getting started man so thanks for listening jazz. Where can we find you on? The twitter's can find me at jazz candidates J. S. K. A. N. G. Twenty one on twitter and instagram off you can follow me at KP underscore show go to nine years nation dot com for all your forty niners news next tune in guys and we will be back with the next news.

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Better Rivals Ep. 293: The final 53, plus a preview of week 1 vs the Bucs

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Better Rivals Ep. 293: The final 53, plus a preview of week 1 vs the Bucs

"Want to know more about what your favorite ninjas have on their minds. Check out the american ninja warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any ninja warrior fan welcome to this week's edition of the niners nation dot com better rivals podcast. My name is oscar appreciative theo and this week football is officially here. The initial forty niners roster is set and there were a few surprises although not many and with me me this week the newest applicant for the texas general manager job. It's cal- posey supplies. We haven't got fired for all those batteries. Are you so basically you're looking to get fired from being the general manager for a team. That hasn't general manager. That's a little bit like getting fire on your day off. Basically you are friday. We'll take shake it. That's my golden life right there all right man the n._f._l. World is upside down. I wanna hear all about it. <hes> what what were your thoughts when you saw that trade with virgin verge david clowney who of course now comes in the division and you're like okay for a third round pick and players that they were gonna cut right for nobody's and and and there was a running joke obviously that you know bill o'brien thinks he's getting back a first rounder himself. He's getting back barker c._b._s. Mingo my initial thought was those who else called the texans after that just offering the most ridiculous deals like if you're john lynch. Do you say hey let me offer you. One slightly unused marquees goodwin for i don't know a fourth round pick and you give me back the andre hopkins houses. Oh yeah i'm one hundred percent centrating joshua garnett over there like how how could you not trade garnett over there. That's the one thing that's just throwing off. Here's garnet. I promise you he's really good. Let's go ahead and just get nook. Let's do you take you take garnett giving me back. What we'll call it. I'm into it. I'm so that's probably who they would go after too because they would exactly one another lineman they wouldn't go for a wide receiver. They wouldn't go for a safety. They wouldn't go for even like a slightly used tire matthew they would go for another alignment because hey niners finders but that's not even the most interesting football story i read this week i read there is a human being in the world whose name and i quote is dick coldest to do it crawford. That's his full name. I have not stopped thinking about this for at least three days. How at what point are you going to change your twitter twitter handle to coldest avenue and and for those that don't know he is not lying. It sounds just like it's pronounced announced d. e. c. o. l. d. s. t. middle name t. o. E. v. a. d. i._t. Doco this don't don't sleep on the capital either. It's t. o. Capital e. via they didn't even capitalize the anyways all right kyle kyle editor at niners nation dot com here to talk about two major things. Let's talk about the roster and then let's get to a week when preview for tampa bay because the roster yeah well they had some surprises had some not so surprises but the big news coming off the roster is that they kept some extra players at certain positions of course. They kept three quarterbacks now. Mcmullan's is officially the backup quarterback c._j. Beathard being the third quarterback unlikely inactive on game days and of course they four tight ends cadence smith traffic and dan living toilolo who also managed to make the roster. Were there anything other than those two items that really surprised you from the niners final cuts. Yes i think you have to talk about the mantra more just how productive he was during the preseason and i mean he just he did everything you look for you. Bring in a guy bring in a guy at a position position of need produces and you cut him and you leave four tight ends and these four tight ends better be phenomenal special teamers. I'm talking kareem making <unk> moster blush <hes>. I just really think that that was. I mean it's a shot in the dark. It's a you're kind of hoping we'll probably get to this as well keeping three quarterbacks your assume assuming that you can get a train for c._j. Beathard but the cutting macho more or and also rolling with three safeties at the time. I know they've added x._m. But it's just <hes> this is a little bit of a head scratcher. What about you. What do you think i really got to think that three quarterbacks is is is just trade fodder because at that point you don't dress one of them and i know that you're thinking yourself. Oh well. These are three n._f._l. Cal quarterbacks but i mean are they are they. They've really. I think it's just gotta be trade. It has to be and i hope they can flip c._j. Beathard repick but at this point knowing that he's third quarterback they lose a little bit of leverage and a and really i think they're not if they can get a fifth or at most fourth round pick. They've gotta do it but reports were that they wanted a third round pick and that's that's rich man. I don't know that they're gonna be able to pry that from other teams cold hanes because you drafted a player in the third round does not mean he has third round value and i think just looking back at some of the the recent pigs joshua garnett does not have first round value just yeah just go down the line. I mean there's a few of them just these guys because they were taking it doesn't mean you're going to get that and i would love to get a fifth round pick for c._j. Beathard like that would be an ideal scenario. I mean obviously a third round would be great in a perfect world but that's just not not realistic so you said you hit it on the head there call shanahan his he's basically betting on himself and on his front office and on c._j. Beathard author that you will be able to flip him for another pit now. Interesting with jerick mckinnon of course ends another year on injured reserve. He's going to have a procedure on his knee and then effectively ends ends year because he was moved to injured reserve before he made the initial fifty three. His year is toast. He is not eligible to come back in the the middle of the year light contagious street but what's interesting is i saw a lot of fans on twitter and a lot of people talking about this was a terrible signing because of the injury and i think that's absolutely the wrong takeaway that the issue was not that you've got injured injuries happen and it sucks and you can never predict that someone's going to get torn the the issue is that the forty niners even after ezekiel elliott's brand new sparkling new deal still have the most number of cap dollar's tied up in the running back position a position in that yes gets injured at a little higher than most other positions but a position that you can get equal production for not spending as much money i mean kevin coleman and matt brita data when you look at next year's cap combined are going to combine for about eight point nine million dollars in cap space whereas if jerick mckinnon stays next year and does not restructure restructure his deal he's at about eight point eight million so you take two running backs that are going to be serviceable for the entire year this year and they amount to one jerick mckinnon. It's it's not that jerick. Mckinnon knee was the issue. It's that it was an overpay when they did it and the worst case scenario happened and now they're likely going to need to restructure his deal if he's is going to play a snap and a forty niner in uniform do you think he plays snapping a forty niner uniform not without a restructure his cap number is eight point point eight million or eight point nine million next year and unless that number comes down. I think it's absolutely going to be a cut type of situation because the way the guaranteed money came out on the deal all the guaranteed not the money was basically paid in the first two years. I think his cap it reduces to something really really palatable next year and so i think unless it's at least guarantees he's come down to something really palatable. Dead money comes down to something reasonable so unless he restructures. I don't think that he does and especially brita and cullman have a good year. There's just there's no reason to do it. Yeah i just can't imagine just watching watching the kitten and coming away thinking that you know this guy is going to change my offense. Obviously he's the very fast but if you if you just have seen him play with the vikings. He never really made people miss. He was just running straight very fast and that was that was his calling card. I know the other other. The other running back in the free agency in that class was dion lewis who was a very good inside runner and what are the forty niners lack right now and inside runner. I know one hundred ninety five pounds sounds but for a team that runs zone that relies on runners at have vision theon louis was probably a better cut. <hes> just a better signing so if you want to just be mad that'd mckinney and it's not so much the injury is the money that they have allocated to the position as well as the player that they've signed. Yeah i think if you look at over the cap and you look at his dead the money the the niners would actually say four and a half million dollars and i think the net is going to be a five hundred dollars or five hundred fifty thousand dollar cap savings and twenty twenty if they cut him of course if they keep him his salary becomes guaranteed and then all of a sudden he's there for the the full eight and a half million so it sucks because i do think actually mckinnon is is a player that shanahan would've used very well but shanahan has a player that he can use similarly. I think do jacque mackinnon in tevin coleman. He just got him for for a hell of a lot cheaper because the skill that's that shanahan looks for is easier to find with running backs when coleman and breda but you look at some of the other other players at the niners cut adrian colbert. He is the forty niners acres. He flew a little too far to the sun are too close to the sun and now he is on the forty. Niners injured reserve likely will get an injury injury settlement in joshua garnett. Thank you alluded to it earlier man he does not have i value he was not an shouldn't i pick but he's now no longer a forty niner. I hope he gets picked up by another team. Likely about our scheme fit but it just never came together for the forty niners and these aren't really surprised god's the writing was kind on wall colbert been banged up only a couple of games in the preseason and it just seems like he he was never really taking the next step. You know you want a guy. That's that is aware when he's in coverage in colbert seems like he's he does pretty good job coming forward but when he does that he tends to older run some plays and he just kind of a little too reckless reckless for my liking and i think that had something to do with it. As wellman garnet i think is really good. Call about scheme fit he he will be a solid player and as i hope you know what's gonna happen is he's going to go to a team. He's going to go to a team that runs a bunch of power and you know those types of fit in the gaps game and he's never going to miss another snap in his life like you understand. That's how this works right. Oh absolutely he's going to end up yeah. He's already visited with the seahawks. He's going to be a lifelong seahawk and it's going to be wonderful. He's going to have a long career there. Maybe get a pro bowler too you because that's that's the way the world works. I don't think that the seahawks are good scheme for him because they're another zone blocking scheme. I do think a team like the baltimore. Ravens could be interesting because they're going to run a lot. They're gonna run some gap scheme that are going to run a bit more power. They're going to run the ball a lot and garnett. He succeeded at stanford at pulling as long as you keep players players on a straight line track in front of it was just the agility and the lateral movement that he wasn't super good at that was always a problem for him. You know when thinking about adrian colbert i i think about something that dan hartman who is the head of scouting scouting academy set about players and you said oftentimes we think that the players going to develop linearity and that the way they are is a rookie as the worst they're ever going to be in the n._f._l. And that may not be the case like sometimes when we see a rookie performed for whatever reason that it might be the best that they're ever going to be in the n._f._l. And whether it be because of injuries or regression or scheme or whatever they may never reach that height and unfortunately that seemed to be the case with colbert colbert least with this time of the forty niners and i hope that that's not the case for him as a player because i think he's a good human but it just didn't work out with the forty niners. That's a good point in in matt. Kalil i think is a really good example of that where i think he made the pro bowl as left tackle and he's out there and his name being floated around there with the forty niners where he got a really good rookie season and then you just kind of get exposed you put some things on tape and you never really take the next step and whatever it may be but you kinda just plateau as a rookie and sometimes you turn the wrong direction yeah. I think you mentioned offensive line and that's probably where the niners are the shakiest. Is that swing tackle. I don't think justin school is the answer. He is probably ably a practice squad player and i don't know i mean i think the team kept him on there because they felt like they drafted him and they needed to keep them on there for a year but depth that swing tackle is definitely needed the niners are definitely looking to add a player in that department and they're going to need to because if anything happens to mcglinchey staley. It's going to be pretty disastrous. Yeah good night and i think that is not a great mindset to have just because you drafted a player especially in the six round where there's a you're not gonna hit on a six rounder. Odds are odds. Pretty much are not getting it on six rounder so with that said because school looked completely out of his depth. There were some very bad rep said that he had on tape and it wasn't just in the preseason games. He was getting blown up in practice as well and i think it it's just best and i know you wanna develop him. Use your six rounder but i mean just move on. There's nothing wrong with admitting a mistake and i it might not be fair to call it a mistake but this is the business of trying to turn over your roster and trying to get better than the forty niners has done a good job with that last couple of years but i don't know that keeping school around is the best way. I certainly think that it's too early to call him a mistake sake but he needs some seasoning. He needs some salt and i don't know that the roster is i mean that's what the practice squad is exactly four and so i think he was probably deserving of a roster spot on the practice squad squad but the the niners of kept them and now with glutz at at quarterback tight end. You have the inability to keep extra players at a place where you might need them like the offensive line. I think that there's something interesting. <hes> that's a theme that i've seen over the off season that has continued with the players on the roster. So far and that's really the important important position coaches you look at a couple players jeremiah velo aga who's now on the practice squad and as he's al share who's made the fifty three both of those have interesting stories when it comes to position russian coaches you've got jeremiah va laga who's with chris kosoric as an undrafted player caught on with the lines in two thousand seventeen of course chris rock was the defensive line coach at the time kosoric surrick then moves to miami lo and behold you got on the practice squad there and then kristiangaric comes to the forty niners and follow aga is reprising his role as chris concert historic favorite practice squad player and so i think you've got certainly a lot of influence there when it comes to the position coach picking player and influencing the roster and i think i think that it's important to note that position coaches aren't just the dressing on the wall. They can actually have a real impact on the players who end up with and how they develop i've been there's no doubt about i i think we underwrite position coaches and just value that they have in being able to take a player to the next step and i think that we will be able to see that with joe woods this year specifically typically when he's getting his hands on a talented safety in various more getting his hands on a talented quarterback achilles witherspoon just gotta saying their confidence growing their physicality. I think we saw that in the preseason where witherspoon was coming up and making plays against the run. I was really good to see. I don't think we really saw that last year so oh. I definitely think that the forty niners position coaches have have made a significant impact early on and you look at one of the preseason kind of story of the year ear players as these alshon air. He's from hillsborough county in florida of course which tampa is the largest city so he's gonna come back for a little bit of a homecoming in week one but chris kiffin was his defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at f._a._u. Back in two thousand seventeen and now of course chris given is what the forty niners and that's how i'll share eventually got on the forty niners radar dr and now he's made the fifty three. I mean store is pretty amazing. He was a sophomore in high school. When his grandmother's house burned down he was living in and out of hotels. He had a ride a bus us two and a half to three hours to get to school and dropped off his little brothers and sisters to school on the way which is why it took him to three hours to get to school and he's basically just persevere severe and you know he's he's one of those real started from the bottom stories and i'm really happy he made the roster <hes> because a few weeks ago i read that story and i was like man. If anyone has the ability to make it i i think he can not just because he's got a story about because he's a good player and frankly i think he's played just as good as drake greenlaw. Who's been getting more hype. This preseason yes naturally greenlaw is gonna get hype just because he was a higher draft pick or an actual draft pick and he made the splash plays and now he's a starter so <hes> but if you watch out you're here if you saw him in college but he had a thousand tackles during his career uses all over the place in his ceiling is probably higher. It'll take some type just because he's coming off that injury but i think a year from now really get a chance to see the type of athletes out shahir was but i'm i'm interested to see him. I'm interested to see on how to make a ryan says another position coach at man i if you just kinda see him interact with players and see the type of control that he takes when when when he speaks in how everybody look stores he seems like out of all the players at all the coaches that we've mentioned he seems like a guy that would absolutely be a good defensive coordinator near disease. I'll share only missed tackles in the preseason and this is one hundred twenty four total plays. He was very very good and coverage because his athleticism really shined in coverages. I mean he's a really really fast guy and he did recover from his injury. I think really fast and he had a great coverage ability in the pre preseason. He's got seven stops overall and not just in the past game. That's total now only allowed for reception so this is a player. I think that looks like an n._f._l. Athlete and when you when you take a player like a share and you're looking at a school like florida atlantic. I'm i don't know i mean you've got kiffin but whatever ultimately the what helps those players shine in the n._f._l. Is their athletic ability and he has that in spades. This is how someone like. Matt breda translates to the n._f._l. Because he is a ridiculous was athlete and i think i'll share is in that category as well so i'm super excited to watch his career with the forty niners hope successful and i do think that he will probably ably press next year as you say for some serious for some serious for some snaps yeah and i think that i have take here by the way i think that and we don't talk about linebacker. We should talk about linebacker. The way we talk about running backs just how they're replaceable and i feel like if given the opportunity out here here would probably be able to put up the same sort of statistics that quantum alexander would this year and i love the energy that quantity under brings. I think he's done a great job of bringing bringing the best out of fred warner what as far as on the field production goes. I would feel comfortable rolling out a rookie there. There's gonna be some bumps in the road of course but over the course of the season as an obviously throughout his career or the next few the next few seasons of quantum is supposedly going to play out his contract. I would take the undrafted free agent enroll with him but what i mean that's a whole other discussion while you're not gonna find too much disagreement about linebackers and the lack of their importance on this podcast my friend <hes> it sounds like you've been listening listening to the show once or twice but i do think that i would still put running back under the linebacker and the totem pole of importance but overall i yeah i do think that al share can affect the game the same way that kwan alexander does which is in the passing game because quantum alexander is a better coverage defender than run-defender and you know what in today's n._f._l. It's probably for the best it's because i think how linebacker affects defense is better than the passing game than necessarily in the run game. I have a a friend justice mosquito. He's a he's a. He has a quote and he tells me this all the time. Linebackers are just trained pigs. How do you feel about that. I mean look. There's no reason to insult pigs. Okay actually i. I'm not here for this pig slender all right i actually i i should not. I saw someone walking pig last week while i was getting a burger at this place called hop daddy here austin texas and they were full on just walk in the pig had a leash on an everything is just a pot-bellied kicking it. Maybe it was his own personal linebacker but let's get to the forty niners roster because overall. I think it's interesting to compare their oscar to a couple of teams that are contenders or our division rivals that are thought to be a team that could make the playoffs because this is is the year for the forty niners where it's it's really win now by win. We don't necessarily mean eleven twelve thirteen wins but i think everyone is really thinking that it's playoffs at this point or bust and when you compare their roster against say like philadelphia who is of course a contender in the n._f._c. and they have been for a couple of years and they're a contender that has managed to overcome a quarterback back injury of course while paying their quarterback lots of money and then seattle who's a division rival who is in the mix again people think they're going to take a down year but they are consistently in that playoff hunt near the end of the year. How do you think the forty niners roster compares to say. The eagles are the seahawks yeah. That's a good question. I think it's it's fair to start talking about that now. Because you know we're in enter year three and it's it's now or never but it's pretty close than our never <hes> as far as comparing the rosters go. I think they're a couple of tears or so. Below the eagles because like you mentioned the eagles sustained a quarterback injury and they were able to you what the frigging super bowl who like who can say that they're able to do that but if you look at the eagles roster compared to the forty niners roster the difference would be eh bosa goes down what eric armstead or solving thomas whoever comes in whereas you know somebody from the eagles goes down they just have they have better depth all around and not just at one position. They have legit players. That would probably start on a lot of teams backing up so i think they're depth is is better than the forty niners. I do think that the forty nine hundred more comparable if not better than the hawks because i don't think i have a lot of depth and i just think that that they lost some players that will hurt them in actually think they're a little overrated but i would say that the forty niners roster is more more than competent. I would say that they're close to playoff-caliber. They just have to prove it. Comes down to the quarterback. Essentially what where do you stand on the forty niners roster yeah. I definitely don't think they're at the level of the philadelphia eagles yes. I think you're right top to bottom. The eagles still have a better and more proven roster. I think even on the defensive line you've got players like fletcher cox and you've got derek barnett and and brandon graham i mean those players will stack up comparably to all the players at the forty niners have but then you've got jernigan vinny curry even on ridgeway right and josh sweat. I know he's more of a workout wondering he hasn't kinda put it all together but he's still someone who can win off the edge speed so i think even their defensive line which which is the forty niners strength is comparable but they have. They have a better secondary all around easily. I mean i've always like anderson day and he may be a little over the hill but i think he's still a better player than than what you might see what the forty niners right now and so i think that's that's an interesting comp. I do think that they are a a comparable comparable if not better roster top to bottom than seattle seahawks but the seattle seahawks have russell wilson they have a quarterback and that's ultimately will puts them over the top so so you know i think biggest appointment for me it last thing on the roster is just demonstra morton team. I think that sucks. I think someone can take a street. Ah you know they're looking to bring them back at the at the middle of the year. I think that's another player you publish it a stash than i are to make red shirt and i think the mantra more is a better fit and can probably provide more quality snaps right off the bat than someone like davis street can but he's he's. He's not going to be a starter. He's probably going to be your ford at rusher. The teams ronald blair can do it and so a quality player. I think got cut or a player that could have provided some quality snaps for the team cut. Let's say it's third down and deferred gassed so he has to come out of the game. You have bosa buckner solomon thomas would you would you trust going against a let's say left tackle. Would you trust ronald blair or d'amato more to impact the play. Oh man that's a good question. Honestly at this point based on what i've seen so far and based on. I think you probably trust the monterey three more but i do think it's close between him and blair. I just don't think blair has shown as much refinement at the edge position as the mantra more even though i do think blair's and athletic <hes> in athletic individual and he's gifted i do think it's really really close and i do think that democracy more probably takes the edge. You look at what he's been able to do you in the preseason. He's been able to dunk people. He should've dunked on. He's got seventeen total pressures. He's got three sacks warrant like you know oh. I'm going to clean up and the quarterbacks. Nobody's gonna run an enemy type as acts. These are like actual. I'm pushing the left tackle off of me or i'm making an inside move in and making a sack so it just sucks. I think he's good enough to be on an n._f._l. Roster even if not the forty niners and and i do think that keeping three quarterbacks because you're hoping to flip warner four tight ends because levine toilolo is going to do something. I think more is probably gonna if you're all in on the on the front seven gonna be more impactful than living toilolo. I think this is a good example of teams struggling struggling to evaluate their own roster and i mean we're we're talking about the players that are in the forties on harassers so this this isn't an impact player by any means but what are the odds that team poached street who has never played a down in the n._f._l. He missed all year with an injury. What are the chances that he gets claimed off of the practice squad. Do you do you think needed. That was a high probability. I don't know i really don't know because i do think that street is someone who might be able to fit better on. Someone else's roster like he would fit better. I think he he literally is ten carrying like he would get a different scheme and i don't know that that's scheme is necessarily the one where you've got edgy players that you want screaming off the edge in the same mould as d ford and in the same old as as nick bosa so. I think that that i don't know that he would. I don't know that he fits the niners but that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't claimed or picked about the practice squad to me. The the real rob here is the extra quarterback tight end because i don't think that that extra quarterback quarterback is going to do much of anything and i think your fourth tight end living toilolo he i mean he's a street free agent at this point so you're going to you're going to strengthen your the strength and that's up to do to kind of get over the roster hump and i don't know that that going with living toilolo is necessarily that he better be a special teams james demon he better make rahim moster blush with the way he covers kicks or whatever his contributions are because like you said nobody is missing leading toil on their roster so yeah interesting but there we are all right well. Let's get to the week one preview against the tampa bay buccaneers but before we do that. Let's take just a brief break to to hear from our sponsors. 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Let's talk about the matchup that matters and that's going to be punters because what is this but if not the punter revenge game bradley pinon versus mitch wish hausky. This is what we are here for. It's the better rivals bowl collar you onboard better rivals bull lovett yemen <hes> what you let's talk about this tampa bay game so let's start with the one and only jameis winston as a florida state thank fan. It pains me to watch him. Throw the ball knowing that it's probably going to end up on the other team. <hes> he just makes some very questionable decisions asians. Are you high on jaimes winston. Where you feel about 'em i hi. Do i have to be to like jameis winston. Those were those were interrelated questions because honestly james winston look he's. He's in a 'nigma wrapped in a turnover wrapped in a touchdown because he's going into his fifth year. He's earning twenty eight point nine million dollars. That's roughly a million dollars for every win. He's produced in his career. What we know about him is that he is prone to the boneheaded turnover but he's also gonna make some eye-popping throws and it's been that way pretty much since his rookie year when he was in dongguan players when he was in college at florida state quarterback stylists sticky certain things things are more stable year to year successor. Mclean pocket is pretty stable because that's what the quarterback can control their time. The throw is pretty sticky. That's that's our style right. Russell wilson's since always going to have a high time the throw and then the risk tolerance is pretty sticky a gunslinger someone tries to force it in there who tries to trust their arm is generally going to do that repeatedly early and someone's not gonna turn from mr conservative into mr gunslinger overnight and when you look at those three things this is where jameis winston ends up having some problems. He's not super successful from clean pocket. He does increase his time to throw he likes to hold onto the ball and he likes to take risks and when you put all of that together you end up with a pretty mediocre quarterback. That's exactly what he is. He just for whatever you just can't seem to get out of his own way. He wants to make the homerun play like you mentioned so much like he wants to make the big play once score touchdown every dropback and that's really really hurting him in. If if you want on a quarterback to start out the season if you are a young and inexperienced secondary or just forty nine and who are just made made some changes like this is a quarterback you wanna go up against the guy. That doesn't throw the ball away. I believe through the wall way. He dropped back four hundred and forty one times last year. He threw the ball away five times so that tells you just holding on. He's taken insights. He's he's putting the ball in harm's way so i mean the forty niners have they have. This is a guy that they have to take advantage of when you think of taking advantage of a player this is a game. I think where the niners can really or should really get a turnover from the secondary. Janus is known as we said for some eye-popping throws but he's also known for bone headed decisions and when you think think of his turnover worthy plays as defined by a pro football focus the outcome of those plays with shameless winston has a lot of is pretty interesting. When you get a turnover worthy throw or a turnover worthy play play those throws resulting in completion percentage of just two point two percent a passer rating of point five seven and last season just one lucky touchdown which means that i could throw the ball down at the dirt and get it better passer rating than just the point five seven that you get when quarterback makes it turnover worthy throw these turnover. The throws are intercepted at best sixty percent of the time the worst the great gets on the throw. The higher the interception rate it gets up to like somewhere near seventy or eighty percent <hes> a poorly graded throws and of those turnover worthy winston ranks thirty first in turnover worthy play last season. He does not take care of the football and if the forty niners are going to get an interception in the secondary. This is a great place to start. Was that your way of humble bragging that. You are a better quarterback jameis winston. Oh absolutely not is much better quarterback than i could ever be. He's just not a great n._f._l. Quarterback much like i. I am a much better quarterback than a peewee football player but that doesn't mean that one doesn't mean much of anything really because they're probably just as big as me so let's get to bruce arians because i think bruce arians is really the story. When it comes to jameis winston we have the story on james winston but if anyone is going gonna be credited with turning jameis winston around it is bruce arians and bruce arians of course brings with him that no no risk it no biscuit philosophy and that's something that could really test just the forty niners corners especially if they don't bring their a game because areas scheme is is pretty awesome yeah he he <hes> he loves to sleep down the feel like a fun offense to watch. It's not going to be the most efficient offense by any means but we get to third and one we to second in three to most coordinators that means they're going to dump it off or they're going to run the ball to bruce arians that means the same as it means on. I intend on third and seventeen. He's going to throw the ball down the bill four verticals. We're gonna see some post. We're going to see a whole kind of route combinations that are where you see most route concepts between ten twelve fifteen yards. He is fifteen up how do you how do you like aesthetically aesthetically. How do you like his offense. I think offense is really really. It's really good. It's really smart. He does some things with his route combinations that really put the safeties and second level defenders conflict whereas mike shanahan or call shanahan really going to attack those those linebackers a lot of the time especially with play action. I think areas really likes to attack those second level defenders. He's got a lot of posts and double moves in his arsenal and he's going to deploy them with mike evans and chris godwin who are a great wide receiver pair for the buccaneers and and one thing to watch on sunday when you're watching tampa bay play the forty niners is if you see those wide receivers lineup in a in a really short set condense split then you really start start needing to look for the h. Follow concept that. He likes to run where he did this with larry. If it's jalen arizona time a basically he's got a drag out that goes across the formation and then a little angle route or a delayed slant almost that comes in behind that route and normally i mean that's a concert cal shanahan runs right but what he does he places a deep post on the other side and if you're playing quarters are split safety look which the niners often check you in the preseason when they saw a bunch of wide receivers then it puts that safety in conflict and if he goes after the slant of the delayed slant which could be like someone like a mike evans then that post is going to be open over the top with chris collin or vice versa safety stays deep then all of a sudden. You've got an easier read for that underneath one on one match up with the <hes> the wide receiver so that's how you're gonna give jameis winston some defined looks. That's type gonna make him look better than he is and it is. I think brazilians that can do that. He is going to absolutely test the discipline of the players players right down the middle phil whether that's fred warner quantocks zander and jimmy ward and he's going to test that he's going to run somebody off. He's going to snake somebody and like you mentioned right behind him and you can't take the cheese. That's pretty much what defensive say you can't take. The teacher can't offer the first crosser and run out of arizona. I don't think you're going to get him because usually when somebody's leaving somebody's coming either right back to you or somebody's going to replace him so it'll be interesting to see if they are able to catch the forty niners off guard because they had a lot of mental mistakes last last year and it led to big play so we will see how much of an impact joe woods will make all right so mike evans chris godwin. They're pretty solid wide receiver pair. Who do you think it's the better of the matchup this weekend because they're going up against the kella witherspoon and richard sherman who again the corners are the suspect area of the forty niners defense and the secondary is as a whole and now they're getting a pretty solid tessier with tampa bay. What do you think is happening with those matchups as one of the biggest sherman fans in the world tampa bay has the advantage in this matchup and i think we're gonna find out pretty quick. Nick if witherspoon has any sort of boss goes. I think that's been sort of holding back just being able to find the ball. Make plays on the boy and james is gonna throw it up and good godwin is is going to make those contested plays and we all know that evans gonna make those contested place so if this wound is able to contest some of these throws they'll be fine but if he if he can't find the ball it's probably going to be a long afternoon for the forty niners defense yeah. I didn't really happen advantage here at the wide receiver position and this is i think where it really comes down to what the forty niners can do with their pass rush whether their gamble of investing all this in the past russia's really going to pay off and we'll talk a little bit more about that when we get to our key matchup to watch because because it will revolve around the trenches and the other thing when you're looking at the game is the forty niners offense taking advantage of suspect defense because the defense was not super great last year. They had one of the worst coverage grades in the n._f._l. Actually i think they finished third last <hes> where the forty niners finish last in the n._f._l. In terms of p._f. Coverage grade and now they've got a new defensive coordinator. They've got todd bowles. He's in town to reprises defensive success that he found in arizona with none other than bruce arians and and so he's going to bring a couple of schematic changes to the arizona cardinals and he's gonna bring in some players like d._n._v. cannon that he's been able to deploy positively before but i think all told despite the fact that that tampa bay has a couple of pieces. They don't have a super solid defense overall yeah and a great play caller he is. He's very very good at what he does but tampa bay just doesn't have very many good players on their defense and i feel like kyle shanahan and is going to put these guys in a press. I think they're going to be sort of like a dog chasing their tail trying to figure out what's going on how to stop them. If the forty niners do what i think they're going to do and i i believe they're gonna spread 'em out and kind of not so much dinka duck but just kind of level them out so we'll see probably short routes five yard route just like you said the following concept where there's something underneath and there's something over the top and they're going to put the linebackers in a bind and make play and i don't think that they'll be able to yeah when you look overall their defense. It's really the inside linebackers that are a little inexperienced devon white. He is fast as holy get out but he is a rookie and you you can maybe attack that rookie and make some false keys and make him take a couple of steps into the ball right over the top carl nassib as an outside linebacker. I'm probably more worried about his stock tips that i am necessarily about him as a player so i do think there's some opportunities there but i do think that it's the second area where you begin to see some of the vulnerabilities that you might want to attack and this is where i think it's gonna be interesting because the forty niners wide receivers were not super adept at getting off of press coverage last year and yet we know that that's what todd bowles likes to leverage his corners up in pressman and that's something the niners were not really great at beating last year and then it'll be an interesting test for a player like dante dante pettis to see whether he can beat that one on one press that he oftentimes couldn't beat last year because that was kind of the achilles heel the wide receiving corps last year and that that was the m._o. To beat them it was cool. Their players are just not better than our players so let's put the corners up on the line. Let's hit their wide receivers and let's see what happens and oftentimes it. It didn't end positively for the forty niners yeah that that must be a slap in the face when you see that as a player knowing that they're going to press you. They're probably not going to put any help over the top and you still won't be able to get open but tampa bay made a bunch of different <hes> they added some corners. They drafted jamal deen in the third round. They drafted shawne bunting in the second round so they have these long press corners a lot like witherspoon and they also have carlton davis who another long guy from auburn but <hes> yeah pets is gonna pedestal going to have have to perform like shan had knows he can. I'm another guy that's really high on pedestal. I'm not really buying all this. You know pushing him in taken his game to the next step but i think honestly the best matchup in this game will be deebo samuel i think he's going to i think this is going to be one of those things where slant just get the ball in his hands reverse slang curl but i also think double movie i think he's gonna hit on a double move much like he did in the preseason where <hes> the corners reserve super aggressive. They're they're like to jump outs usually long press corners onto most agile so when you get them on a double move you'll be able to make them a little susceptible so i'm looking ford to it. I think the forty niners have the advantage on this side of the ball so it's funny. It's funny enough that you mention depot on a slant because that's actually one of the new rules in the better rivals drinking game. We're going to send out here in a little bit actually sent out. I tweeted out just a teaser a little bit ago but <hes> yeah we've got a couple. We've got the ford the ford ford rule where if you jump off sides you drink. That's an odd number fifty five. I'm on brooks. Deebo catches a slant you drink. We've got a couple of others in there so i'll probably post that in the next couple of days but if you're looking to get drunk for both happy reasons and reasons. We're your podcast better arrivals. Maybe that's right. There's a beer can opening at the beginning of the show for a reason all right so let's get to a couple of key matchups to watch because at this point we've got some choices is right. We've got the return of alexander. The hot boys to we've got the punters man. You're here for the punter snaps. Let's do it bradley pinon over the preseason twenty three tenths for opinion six down inside the twenty average hang time four two four seconds which now z. seventeen attempts ten downed inside the twenty twenty four point three two average time. We also have a wish now sqi rule in the drinking game. That's been affectionately named the p._f. David drinking game role so pinon and wish hausky. I think that you know everything the the legend of which now skied continues to grow it's wrong to the fact that opinion so four point two is pretty good but four point three to you is obviously significantly better. <hes> it is any old tenth of a second better is is significant. It's ridiculous. It's so it's like a whole round in the draft larger literally. The fifth round rounded the fourth round pick in the fifth round. Excuse in the fourth that is literally the difference so yeah wish nasty and i know we we love the ponds here on on better rival. Oh so it's more like pignon when he's compared to mitch naski. I'm not sure that i understood that reference p. I n. y. A. w. n. o. man alan. I'm gonna give you a little golf cart for that. One that was good yeah the whole point of puns by the ways to make it just unbearable like the iro unbearably terrible. I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you. That's why i'm giving you the golf lap. It's good but the match to watch actually is the starting line. The starting guard from the old tampa bay buccaneers alex kappa. Uh if we're on the pun train mr alexashka he allowed three total pressures twenty-eight pass blocking snaps in the preseason and you think to yourself okay. That's just a preseason. It's not that big of a deal you know he is a highly relatively highly drafted individual who's been getting some pub recently but when you look at his limited snaps last korea seventy-five pass blocking snaps he'll ten pressures in seventy five pass blocking steps. That's not great. That's basically ten pressures in a little over a game name. That's absurd. If you think about player that converts a pressure to a sack like at the top end of that level around like thirty percent that's three sacks on alex kappa in one game alone which is about what he gave up in the game against cleveland when he played one half and he gave up two sacks and a bunch of pressures in that game so i think when when you look at someone like deforest buckner lined up against alex kappa. That's a match up that if you're niners fan his game is going. Well is one of the niner dominating yeah i would imagine that that deforest buckner is licking his chops when he's just watching i mean the entire defensive line when they're watching the <hes> the the browns go up against the tampa bay bucks. Just they've struggled and capela isn't the only person that struggled which is even better news for the forty niners. They have to two. They're both of their tackles are essentially blocking sleds at this point on donovan. Smith just can't seem to stay can't keep anybody from getting past him on demar dotson not much better so i can see why the forty niners would love to roll both out hopefully he's andre roberson but both and ford should would eat these guys for lots man it should be it should be a very a very fun day for the forty niners dealer training staff needs to roll a couple of clips of alex kappa and that offensive line is show them to bosa and i think his ankle a hill up just but all of that comes to what we think the game outcome is going to be because if you're watching this game and the niners were able to get a turnover because they're able to make jameis winston be more jameis winston like if that defense ends for tampa bay shows. It's an experience shows. It's youth and the transition is a little bit rough and the forty niners pass rush can get to james woods enforcement decisions. I think it ends up in a positive outcome for the forty niners so all that being said. Do you think that is likely to be the case or do you think that the niners are still not some rust off and automatically the the game is tighter and the tampa bay buccaneers. Were able to pull this out. That's yeah that's a good question. There's going to be a lot of moving parts in this game. You know we have jimmy garoppolo apple playing. I live football for four quarters for the first time in pretty much a year. <hes> we have new head coach on the other side with trying to figure out what do you on offense with james wisdom. If is he able to run his stuff with james winston. I do think there will be a lot of points just because both defenses. Are i mean at at this point. The forty niners are not prove we we can say that they're going to be good on paper but we need to see what they look like. We need to see if the secondary is able to make plays so i think tampa bay is going to be able to score four. I think the forty niners to be able to score even more because i don't see tampa bay being able to stop them that that's secondary is actually worse i in my opinion than the forty niners and that is saying something. I think you would agree with that. <hes> i have twenty seven twenty four nine dollars and that's scores not not too far off the the vegas line has them as a pick. Em at this point. The line started in may i think with the niners is two and a half point dogs and now it's basically an even game so line shifted a bit and i think the overrun the games fifty so i think that's a pretty a pretty accurate prediction. If you're a betting man and i think that you are i am. I'm going to have a betting column every friday. Let's just put it like that. Yeah it'll be. It'll be good. I think that that i can't disagree with the outcome. Come i do think the niners end up winning this game. I do think it's probably closer than a lot of people will think and i don't. I don't disagree with at twenty seven twenty four score. I think that's a really good spot to put him i do i think that even at the flipside happens even the niners lose this game and they end up going into cincinnati owen one. I don't think that it's necessarily the end of the world when everyone's bruins looking at a beatable tampa bay game and they're like oh what the hell i think that that matt barros had a really good story about the two thousand eleven nine or team that he covered and he said it was the best liner team that he's covered as a beat reporter for the niners and they started similarly kinda slow out of the gate but eventually they picked up a couple of really key wins rattled off seven in a row and eventually of course made it to the n._f._c. championship game so i think that that the schedule early on for the niners has a couple of interesting games in the niners are going to be knocking some rust off and i do you think they will end up with probably what looks like a better team later on in the year yeah and that's a really good point just to talk about losing the first game if if the forty niners are not able to beat the box. It's not the end of the world like they're still figuring things out. It'll probably take a month like up until the bye week just to figure out what exactly they they they can do. They're going to be figuring out a role for deebo samuel. They're going to figure out what the other receivers can do whether it's <hes> get do they need to get the ball more to tevin coleman. Do they need to get the ball mortimer brita who can block and then on defense you. Have you know all this new delight or you know. Where do i play salman thomas and eric armstead. How many snaps can i leave boatswain default out house. My secondary performing is should witherspoon. Play should play. Where do i put jimmy war. There's just so many moving parts for this team that it's naive to think that everything will be solved during the first game so yeah. It'll be a long season but i think it's more about how they perform in november in december as opposed to september. Why does it for this edition of the better rivals podcasts. I it football's back my friend. It's it's going to be a fun filled weekend. You've got games thursday. I will be at texas l. As you on saturday and then the games finally here on sunday man it is it's good to write about something meaningful now now we don't have to. We don't have to fake analysis. You don't have to know pretend anything we get to talk about actual football so with that go forty niners and with go go g. e. a. u. x. l._s._u. Baby no. I'm not gonna let you get away with that. One definitely not going to happen. There's no there's actually a shirt i contemplated getting. There's something about the co-op here and it says go home kitty and it's a u. x. y. Oh man it's it's gonna be. It's gonna be fire. Emoji <music> as the kids say they'll say that right yeah oh yeah for sure right up there with like lit and on fleet right so thanks again again producing and everyone you can always follow me on twitter at better rivals kyle. Where can they follow you. Your ball me k._p. Underscores show and i promised i am nowhere near as hip as the kids trust me me either <hes> thanks again for tuning in and it has always go niners.

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Ep. 259: It's thankful time

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Ep. 259: It's thankful time

"Yeah. Danny deceit. Oh, it's good to have you on the better idols podcast for this special. Thanksgiving edition of the better podcast. How many times can I say better podcast in one intro, Danny? How are you doing? Doing good, Sean what you're drinking. I actually drinking. Some Rosa believe it or not my wife opened a bottle last night and did not finish it because she's not a savage. So I'm just finishing off the ball tonight. So it doesn't go bad because we leave for California on Wednesday. So it's a tribute to California. That's yes, it's a tribute to California. I'm is it a tribute to the Rosaiah and gold of the owner. You know, what let's go with the latter because that is much better much better version of why it is that I'm drinking Rosa when it's not hot outside slash the summer. But Dan, you were formerly football outsiders. You actually wrote the forty Niners chapter in the in the football almanac. Not too long ago, which is how I actually I came across the writing since moved on football outside football, guys and you cover daily fantasy, and perhaps more importantly, you gave me the advice of starting Ricky seals Jones last week a week where he put up one point two points or something like that. Sly blame you for all the good and all the bad feel like nobody should ever. Start rookie seals Jones or Dion Lewis ever. Again. I think that's accurate because you know, that I also started Dion Lewis and then and well for me. Danny you you've been writing about football for a while now and you're on the podcast for two reasons. One because forty Niners fan. So I thought it'd be fun to have you forty Niners fan who covers football and thinks and writes a lot about football on just talk a little bit about the Niners and give it a little bit different perspective. But also because we met for the very first time not too long ago when you kinda rolled through Austin for a barbecue festival, and we had a couple of beers watch the Niners beat up on the raiders. And then had a good time. So I figured, hey, why the hell not record it and put out a podcast. I think I was a good luck charm that week. Yeah. Basically that's the first forty years game. I believe since week one that I've watched with another human being. All right. So somebody's trying to tell me to be more, social or maybe just go to Austin all the time. I think both of those would be it would be good. So what I wanted to do with this show is it's a mid week. It's the by week it's thanksgiving week. And and I thought, you know, rather than kind of talking about next week's opponent, or whatever I thought it would be interesting to just talk a little bit about things that were thankful for given the season given the week that we're in because we've talked a lot about things we like and dislike about the team. And I think that there are even though the Niners have right now the first overall pick in the draft, and even though they've only won two games. I still think that they are process wise in a positive place ACL's notwithstanding. So I just wanted to talk a little bit about things that we were thankful for have some conversations and see where where the convoy takes us. I think you, and I both would agree that the number one thing that every forty Niners fan should be thankful for is that we actually have a good head coach right now an offense of minded head coach just like it used to be back in our days. And so to me, even though the forty Niners aren't getting the results that he did honored harbor. I think that. We have a head coach. That's just as good as harbor, and that's what you start in the NFL. You start with the head coach everything falls from there had the NFL's top down league. Teams have coaches parentally bad teams that have good head coaches their cranley good now, whether or not, you know, whether a head coach is going to be good or bad in advance is something to talk about probably in another podcast or more just expes podcast. But I am completely thankful that Kyle Shanahan is our head coach. I I totally agree with you. We've covered a lot about Cal Shanahan and his decision making over the course of this season. But, but I think the part that I get most excited about when it comes to Cal Shanahan is that the forty Niners are structuring their team the way that modern NFL teams should be structured. You've got an offensive minded head coach you've got a quarterback who yes is recovering from an ACL injury. But you've got a quarterback. And then you fill in the rest around the quarterback because the quarterback is the most important position in football. And if you can figure out the relationship between the head coach and the quarter. Back. You are set in a much better place. If you're looking for that thing when you look at cross the league, and you look at coaches that are turning their teams around and are kind of on the positive upswing. You've got obviously McVay in Los Angeles. He's got Jared Goff. You've got Nagy in Chicago. And he's got Trubisky. You've got def- Lippo Indianapolis. He's got Andrew lock. You've got this combination of an offensive minded head coach paired with a quarterback, and they don't always have to be world-beater quarterbacks. I wouldn't say Mitchell Trubisky is amazing quarterbacking, but he has a coach that understands how to maximize his skill set. He puts him in an offense where he can actually showcase the skills of the talent that he has as a head coach. And then everything else falls in place around that. And that's how you build a modern NFL team nowadays and the Niners whether it was luck. Or what have that similar structure, and they are set for years to come because of the decision to hire to hire caution Eoghan and. Because of the fact that they simply have Jimmy Garoppolo. Well, the funniest thing about everything that you just said, and when I say funny, I don't mean ha I mean like ironically funny is that the forty Niners organization was probably the first organization to figure this out. Right. Like, what was it forty years ago hired Bill Walsh and got Joe Montana? And it's like, I don't understand how every team in the league doesn't realize at this point in twenty eighteen we're sitting here halfway through the twenty thousand season and like other teams don't understand this. And so the fact of the forty Niners did it. And you know, they did when horrible is there as well. In terms getting him. And then even Alex Smith, I mean for all his faults and thoughts and prayers to him today. And then Colin Kaepernick like that's what you do. You get your head coach offense a minded head coach you pair them with quarterback. And the other thing I'll say is like I've done research on like, what are the most stable things? In terms of coaching earn in terms of like NFL win percentage from Rian percentage, which is based on point differential. And like what found is that basically the head coach is the most important thing. And then once you get past that coach if you want to think about or if you want to try to find more explanation of wins and losses you go head coach pair, and then if you wanna go a little bit further you go to head coach QB GM, try it. Right. I think again going back to what we're thankful for like, I'm just happy that even though you know, Jimmy Garoppolo her. Unfortunately, like, I I'm thankful for the fact forty dollars right now. Have in place pretty much those those three positions locked down, and they're obviously successful at their job or they have been over the past couple years. And you know, I look at a team like the New Orleans Saints and the New Orleans Saints right now are one of the two best teams in the NFC and one of the four best teams in football. I mean, the drubbing that they laid to the former NFL champion eagles. It was the game was over by the end of the first quarter. It was ridiculous. And you think about that quarterback and head coach pairing. They have one Super Bowl two thousand nine but they all what you never have to worry about that team. Because you know, that drew Brees is always gonna continue to be drew Brees. And that Sean Payton is going to continue to maximize the talent of that offense. Because of what he can do the being good head coach. And having a good quarterback doesn't mean that you are always going to win the Super Bowls. And win three in a row or whatever. The case may be or even get to three championship games like the Niners able under Jim harbach. I think all it means is that in any given year you have a shot. And if things break your way, if you are able to stave off the injury bug, and if you're able to have maybe some schedule luck and maybe some turnover look some fumble luck. If those things happen to you. Then that's what ends up propelling you into the stratosphere of winning a Super Bowl and the more the more frequently you have those things in place in the longer. You have those things in place, the better off you'll be and that's why I'm not too worried that Colin has not having a good year this year because I think at his core. He is a good coach and he's making good decisions and over a ten year period, which I hope he's here for at least ten years that is going to result in more winds and more opportunities at the Lombardy than otherwise. I think if I can paraphrase what you just said, which I agree. One hundred percent is that if you were to ask saints fans heading into the two thousand six season. We're going to give you one Super Bowl win in the next. What is the twenty eight? So the next thirteen years, but you'll be a perennial barring some weird circumstances or injuries or like, you said schedule or or like last year losing friggin playoff came in the last play, right? Like like if you to. If you if you were to tell a saints fan in two thousand six before the season that I'm gonna give you that like the universe is going to give you one Super Bowl and just like twelve years of always a contender basically for the playoffs. They would take you know, if you would have told me in two thousand and ten. That the Niners. We're going to get a head coach and a quarterback pair, right? And they're not gonna win a Super Bowl. But like they were going go to three straight NFC championship games, which is fucking on hurt of and go to a suitable and basically be three fade passes away from Subaru championship. Right. Like, I would have been elated and then just to go to the current day or the current moment, I should say like if you were to tell Packers fans in two thousand and eight right. Yeah. You're gonna get a world championship, and you're going to be a competitor. But then you're coach may fifteen years from now stop understanding how to call games in the NFL, whatever how you feel about that. Like even Packers fans who right now are shitting over Mike McCarthy and won his head like if you'd have told them at the time. Before they hired him or that was what two thousand six actually. Yeah. Because it was the year after Mike Nolan hired him off. It's a coordinate, right? But like so. Yeah. Two thousand six Packers who hadn't won anything since what nineteen Ninety-six basically or had won a Super Bowl since nineteen ninety six. It's like if you told them so by point here is being long winded. Is that like you got to look at how things were. Prior to the coach coming in. And if you'd have told me in twenty fifteen at the end of twenty fifteen herbs are the end of two thousand sixteen that the Niners. We're going to hire a coach because you remember that head coaching. Search was there were a lot of shit ass. Israel. It was not a murderer's row of coaching candidates, and they chose the right one. If you would've told me heading into that offseason that the Niners going to make the right head coach hire make the right GM higher complete even though that was on the box like get the quarterback. If you told me that and like, I would have been extent, regardless of the results. So that's my take on this whole thing. Now, you got into a discussion on Twitter with Josh Hermes Meyer. I think if I'm remembering his last name correctly. But he does a lot of data analysis four five three eight and he does some fantasy modeling area. Which actually I've used a great success? A couple of times better than Ricky seals Jones is what I'm trying to tell you, Dan, but actually renew shields Jones per the yards model is a bee's. Yeah. Because he gets a massive like, basically, it's America. And I started Larry FitzGerald and he got two passes for the yards in two touchdowns. Well, I don't know what to tell you. I guess I'm just drizzling ship space. Don't listen to me. But but you got to really interesting discussion about the late game decision making. Because I think if if there are people who are listening to this show who are a little sceptical about Shanahan, and and maybe they're in the Shannon hotseat camp. They would say that. It's late game decision making that Shanahan has a problem with them. We've talked talked about it a little bit with George from from pro football focus, but you had a really interesting tweet that I thought was would really summarize all of it, and it was about proximal and distal causes. And I one had no idea what the hell those things were. But to thought it was a really good way of summarizing kind of how sometimes we maybe inappropriately distill games to a single decision point. When in reality. It's just a conglomerate of decisions that you mash together to end up with the outcome of a game. So. So what the hell is a proximal what are proximal in digital kind of causes? We all humans know that. There's a cause and effect. The question is what is the proximal cause to what happens, and what is more of a distal cost? So what actually caused the loss versus what are things that happened? Let's say midway through the third quarter that contributed to the loss, but was not a proximal cause the loss. So like for me, I know a lot of people hate me for this on Twitter. But I bitch about the referees a lot and the reason why bitch about the referees allot at the end of games. I don't do it like in the first quarter is because those kinds of calls that they were making on that last drive against the giants. Those were massively leveraged calls like the giants. Win pile ability just exploded because of those calls and more going to you know. You know, what the better rivals podcast? It's all about like the things you guys were talking about about that about the defense. I was getting played in the miscommunication. And all that kind of stuff within the defense that led to the winning touchdown, right? Like, those kinds of things are even more proximal causes. Then then the bullshit refereeing that I was that. I saw you know as I was watching the game. So basically, a proximal causes just like what is the closest thing that determined the outcome of the game. And then you work backwards from there and everything backwards from their distal causes in terms of Kyle Shanahan. It's not proximal causes from him. It's more distal causes. It's so things just happen. If it causes is like, you said the thing that's closest to or immediately responsible for kind of causing the observers, then the dislo 'cause is that higher level or the real reason that something occurred. So if we're talking. About the giants than a couple of proximate causes would be maybe the fourth down call or the penalty against Malcolm Smith. But ultimately, the district is the fact that Malcolm Smith is there in the first place and that the Niners misjudged his talent and paid them a bunch of money to not be very good. And ultimately, the dislo causes that they're they're a little deficient on the talent side on defense. And and for whatever reason those mis communications in those errors allow big place to happen at a rate that you probably don't want for a defense. And so I thought it was really interesting because you know, when you're talking about college, Shannon, saying, oh, well, he didn't maximize expected points in that one point. It's like, no, he probably didn't it probably was the right? Call to go for it. But there's so much else that goes into that at any given moment and shame has probably looking at Nick Mullins, and he's looking at CJ bathrooms like men. I know it probably is smart to do it. But. I'm maybe just don't trust in the fact that these quarterbacks can get it done. And so I'm going to try and play it safe here. And I would imagine that he gets more aggressive when his talent gets better. Which is exactly what was the case when he was in Atlanta because he was way more aggressive in Atlanta that he was here at the Niners. So I think that the distal causes ultimately that he's under talented, and he probably knows it. And that then feeds in the proximate causes which is him not going for instances and fourth-down where he probably should because the math says that he should right. Okay. So you made a good clarification of what I was trying to say like when I was answering the question initially talking more about like in game things. So you're literally talking about what happens last because that's causing affect works right in the real world something that an effect has a proximal cause and then the caused before that and the thing that causes that thing. That causes that. Right. So like I was talking more in game. But in terms of like just. Thirty thousand feet when you're when you're thinking about like predicting what wins in the NFL or like if you're trying to predict wins for the following season or things like in more, the typical kind of stuff that people like me do like, yes, you're what you just said is correct. Like, it's it's the the strategic stuff is way more important than the in game stuff. At least. That's how I think about it. Like if you were to tell me, basically that I get if I was like I'm Nishit owner of an NFL team. You wanna tell me or you're my assistant jammer, my GM whenever and you told me. Oh, yeah. This guy here he has a shit scheme. Right. Like he's running offense from nineteen eighty four. But God, dammit, he knows how to maximize those fourth down, you know plays. And he knows how to use his timeouts perfectly. Right. I would not hire that guy. Over the guy who is massively like John McVeigh type whose just literally he's playing the same formation everytime. And fooling you on all plays. Right. It's it's great or somebody like Shanahan who, you know, half the time. His receivers have like six yards of separation so because Doug gain Doug Marrone with perfect math is better. Sean, Mike Petten team, right? That guy with like perfect knowledge of the charts in late late game situations and game series in in game situation. Like, I would take Mike Shanahan Kalmyk. They are common thing was John. What are you a hell of a head coach though comic family? Shame. I'm like, I say to people who are listening that like, I'm. I am the worst with names. So when bidding for the better rivals podcast you fit in just fine. Trust me, actually after Kyle McVeigh was going to say, John McVay, and then minor brand. But anyway, so. I would take those kinds of guys way over. Sean McDermott with perfect knowledge of the probabilities in the late Enya, right? The make sense. Absolutely. So I think definitely kosh Shanahan were thankful for that. We're thankful that the team has whether it'd be luck or skill kind of found itself having the modern NFL structure that it needs to succeed with most of the right pieces. And then I think that takes me to the second thing that I'm thankful for and that's the positive personnel decisions that we do have. I think getting value out of Richard Sherman has been a a really really positive result that massing that was I wasn't sure it was going to hit. You know who knew what Richard Sherman. We were going to get an while. I don't think that he has played as well. As some of the kind of snap by snaps. The ticks have measured him out to be. 'cause I think there are other things that play there. I do think he's played back to the level that he was playing before he ruptured his achilles. Which is kind of in the high level of above average play. And that is easily the best corner that we've got and I think that. His his impact off the field. Also cannot really be measured via statistics. And so I think by and large I think it's a fantastic signing. I'm glad the team didn't took that risk. I think you look at players like George Kittle who was having an all pro season. Look at Breda who's an undrafted free agent. And I think the the single probably stealthy assigning that not a lot of people have talked about that. I think has really changed this team. And specifically the offense of line is the signing of Mike person we signed him on a one year deal is really depth in competition at the center position. Because remember the team on Jonathan Cooper and former first round pick who is not playing. We're just going to say his name out loud because why bother persons basically made everyone at that right guard spot irrelevant, and he's played really really. Well. I mean, you look at his pro football focus grade, and he is one of the top non tackles on the team. Basically, he's the highest graded interior line. For the forty Niners. You've got Staley mcglinchey who are up there because their beasts in if you're going to have positively graded offense of Lyman. You want them to be at tackled that is the most valuable position on the offense of line. But then you move inside. It's been awhile since the Niners have had good guard play and the Niners are getting good guard play from Mike person. And that's just something that that. I don't think anyone really expected. And so I'm really really thankful that the Niners have made some really positive really really good smart decisions in the personnel department because it really is a crap shoot. Sometimes you're gonna hit them. Sometimes you're not and the more that you can hit the better you can build that bottom of of the rostrum Bill those players up and have them grow with the team. I think the better off you'll be I think I have two questions for you based on that number one. What this one's kind of nerdy. You mentioned the fact that you probably don't think Richard Sherman is playing as well as his like on godly stats are showing. I mean, just in your opinion like how much of it is. Or just general question rather than making specific about Sherman? When you see when you see a cornerback with really great stats like that. Like, what makes you what are the kind of indicators make you say, oh, well, he's probably not playing as good as those stats versus. He is playing that good. They're just not throwing it at him. So I think the first thing you look to is you look at plays where he is targeted. And you look at what was the cause of the incompletion the forty Niners have been really really lucky at having incomplete passes due to drop balls or through due to bad quarterback throws. I look at the first Zona game in week five. Specifically, I thought that was not Richard sherman's best game on the year. And there were times where he was just flat out beat. But it, you know, Rosen overthrew the ball and miss the receiver. Richard sherman. Still got beat on that play. That's still not a positive repre Richard Sherman. But the pass wasn't completed. There was another ball though. What was it like two weeks ago? I can't remember the exact play where he was beaten badly. And he somehow made up yet recovered put the arm in there. Yup. Yeah. So those are the things where it's like, that's that's a little bit of up and down. Right. It's like that's the good Richard Sherman. But that doesn't mean that Richard Sherman has been perfect. And I think really really good players. I think the misconception that most people have is that really good players never ever fail, and that every single rep they're just destroying everyone. And that's not true. There are reps where elite players fail even Aaron Donald at the rate at which he defeats blocks still get block sometimes he's still doesn't generate pressure. And and I think that that's what people misunderstand is that a player can still be good and play. Well, and Richard Sherman is playing well and still get beat the difference is that as you get down the totem pole in player skill. They get beat more and more frequently and the positive plays are less and less prevalent and with Richard Sherman. I think you know, you look at the outcome. Of play and the plays an incomplete pass. And you think oh Richard from it must have done a good job. But when you go one level further like Richard Sherman got beat, but it was a bad throat or the wide receiver dropped it. And I think he's had a more of those that that show up on the stat sheet as a positive play. And so when you look at that the outcome stats, it looks a lot better than his actual like film looks all that even with all those things, you know, being considered he's still playing well, and he's still single corner on the team, which is why UC smart offense of coordinators lineup that are wide receivers on the other side of the field because the forty Niners don't switch their corners. Sherman always plays on the left side and Kello or whomever. The Niners trotting out is always playing on the right side. So why bother throwing into the strength of the defense? When you go to the other side, right? Okay. So before my second question, put my sports, I collagen hat back on and actually think that what you just talked about. In terms of failing like grant players failing. I think that that is one of the most important traits of any player in a sport. Because like you say even the most talented player in. I mean, you can take the best player at any position in the NFL. They fail. I mean, look like, I mean, obviously, we're football podcast. But look at baseball, right? Like, I mean, that's the easy example they fail. Seventy percent of the time. Like, the the ones that become great are the ones that. Don't look at that failure. Or don't internalize it failure. They say to themselves. I'm not shit for a cornerback. For example. It's just you know, like the cliche goes, they have the shortest memories. Right. The Cornerbacks shortest memories. Those are the players the if I were somebody who was GM or if I was in a front office like, and I was evaluating draft picks or stuff like that. Like that would be one of the things I would look for immediately because I don't give shit. How much talent you have? If you give a five six, you know, long passes as a cornerback. You're going to have a tendency to get the moralist, and it's up to you and your mental toughness to say, no not gonna get beat again. Or maybe I will get beat again. But you know, what I'm gonna figure out why just got beat and spend hours, you know, with the film hours outside of the practice field. Figuring out why this guy beat me because Richard Sherman has gotten beat. But he to me is. I mean, if you're going to talk about a cornerback that has cycle psychological profile of that I would have on my team one hundred times out of one hundred. That's it. He doesn't give it. He got beat the either makes it up and throws his arm in there or he got beaten any figures it out, and then he's you know, go onto the next week. So and I think once that further with with Richard German. I think he is so competitive that those those instances where he does get beat eat at him like he forgets them shore, but he hates being beat. And it's those things that make him want to. To say like, no that's not going to happen again because I'm better than that. And I think that that is a bit of something you can't really. It doesn't always show up on a greaseboard. Or when you're outlining plays. It's like it's that drive in that competitiveness, which I mean, if there were a way to measure that and figure that out I think businesses and HR departments would spend lots of money to do. Yeah. Competitiveness. What you're looking for. You don't want. You don't ever want somebody to get their ass kicked and say, okay, I'm all right up on all right with that right now or get beat on a game winning touchdown and say, yeah, you know, whatever. I'll figure it out. No, you want somebody pissed off. Which is why got me going back to the beginning of this kind of diatribe. I've been on. That's why like Witherspoon, although it shouldn't have been in public in front of the cameras like I'm happy to see that the Niners and been demonstrative all year. Like, I I don't think that that's that's much ado about nothing. Really? It's like I want my guys to be pissed when they get beat. I want my guys be pissed when they lose. I mean, this is going back to you know. Infamous Michael, Michael singleton. That's what I call them, by the way, Michael single Terry press conference at which you know, I mean, he was all raw raw no scheme. So he doesn't count in this conversation outside what I'm about to say. But it's just like I agree with that part of his diatribe. One percent. Like, you want people who just will get better. They need to get better. They wanna get better. No matter. How many times you get beat the keep coming back and trying to get better? And that's all you look for. And if the guy gets frustrated, I mean, it's the same reason why back winter owns on the team. He gets frustrated all the time. It's the same reason why you know, ready moss is a diva all these other receivers divas. No, they're not divas. They just know that really fucking good. They know that the offense we better if you just give them the fucking ball. And like, yes, you shouldn't do it in public. But I would rather have those guys every day and three times on Sunday and somebody who just. Has complacent. The sits there and gets beat doesn't care or whatever. So end of diatribe has hashtag. All right. Well, last thing I think that I'm thankful for is that the Niners are currently sitting in the pole position for the first overall pick. Because quite frankly, the this is not and this was not a team that was going to like everything had to go right for them to win more than six or seven games. And I think a lot of the I understand a lot of the preseason hype. And and it made sense, especially with the way the Jimmy Garoppolo ended last year. But I think even with the healthy Garoppolo over sixteen games. The Niners were still going to have a really tough opening slate, and they were still going to lose more games than they want early on. And so I think by this point in the year, even without they probably wouldn't have two wins. But they probably would be firmly out of the playoff race. And I think that the team will be better served by having a higher draft pick in next year's draft. And if they can get I think Bosa that's going to be a complete and utter game changer because the team will be able to get value contract value. I should say out of a first round pick. Given the fact that they've already paid their quarterback tons of money. I think that kind of value is is really really incredible. When you can get a premier pass rusher on a rookie deal at one of the two most important positions in football. So I think that while. Yes, it sucks, and it's awful. And you wanna win every game. I think understanding where this team was in. And I think that John Lynch and Cal Shanahan understand that this is going to be a multi year kind of deal that having another high draft pick is infinitely more valuable than six or seven Rando wins. And I think that's a much easier pill to swallow with Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard than it is with Jimmy Garoppolo. Do you think that they planned this with the pass rusher? Well, okay. So I was going to do I think they planned ACL injuries. No. No, let me rephrase the question. Do I think they planned or specifically didn't target edge rusher to tank? No. I think though, they took a look at the landscape of edge rusher. And they said all right. I can either if one becomes available that we think is worth it. Let's go after him. They reportedly went hard after Khalil Mack. And that didn't work out because I think Mark Davis has a forty Niners complex, but they but the interesting class in this year's draft outside of one or two players was not very good. So it's understandable that if they didn't think Howard Landry was worth it for whatever reason that they weren't gonna get and they didn't have a shot at at Chubb. So then you think to yourself. Okay. What Ed dressers were available in free agency. Well, none really that they thought really fit the mold that could really do it. Because I think they would have needed to overpay. And I think this offseason you're looking at paying a ton of money for a quarterback. You don't wanna put another huge free agent contract in. The rushing position. Because I think that's when you start to till you're your salary cap in an unhealthy way, you want the reason that the best way to build the team in the modern NFL is to get a good rookie quarterback on that rookie deal is so that you can spend money everywhere else and make your team competitive because you have a valuable asset in a cheap quarterback. That's good. I think the Niners never got that part because it ever drafted a quarterback that you know, on that rookie wage that they wanted to keep because he wasn't a political football so to speak. So instead, they will even then he was on a second contract. So didn't matter gone captaining. But, but even then I think okay, you've paid for your quarterback where then can we get value? That's going to be with an edge rusher in the draft. And so they were probably targeting the draft. And when they looked at it, and they said, you know, there's not really a whole lot of really good rushers here. Then they thought okay. So twenty nineteen is the target and they're okay with being patient. Just like they were patient for the quarterback. And they thought if not creek. Cousins and a draft or something else. They probably thought the same thing for rusher. And honestly, I can't really fault them for that. Because now they're in line to get an edge rusher at a top ten pick in the draft at least maybe two or three pig, and that is going to be much more valuable for them. Then having paid X number of dollars for some middling pass rusher. Yeah. I was being kind of fishy show with that question because it's like the fact that they're number one right now is kind of crazy given the teams that are competing with right? Like, the I think they are better team than probably the next five teams in the draft order below them. Right. Exactly. So it's like, I I was being facetious. But one other thing about the waiting on the pass rusher because you're talking about patients and while I agree with that. I would also wonder, and this is something that, you know, more about than I do. Is like is there an issue that Robert Saleh's defense is more coverage based than rush based in general such that they want to get better corners like they have with you know, going out and getting Sherman drafting Witherspoon. You know, having that single high safety. I don't even the Robert Sala is thinking, oh, you know, what my my defense is not dependent on a pass rusher. I think any defensive coach knows that a good pass. Rush is going to help you out. I mean, I mean like, yeah. But I think shooting that are are about the pass rush than they are the coverage. I mean, obviously, both valuable but some. Yeah, I think that with Robert solace specifically, I think it's just a matter of him not necessarily running personnel and kind of having to do with the pieces that he's got because I do think that that he doesn't really have control at that level. I think they probably said like, hey, if you could go after a couple of guys would you go after unfortunately, he picked Malcolm Smith, and you know, that's turned out the way that it's turned out. But but I do think that the his defense once he gets. I mean you've seen with Khalil Mack. What a good rusher can do to a defense. It can transform it. And I think that if if I interrupt. I'm sorry. But like Cleal MAC goes to probably one of the better defensive coordinators, former Niner right in terms of utilizing the pass rush. Right. Yeah. And I think that goes back to just the coordinators philosophy. I think every coordinator is going to build their defense around something big fan GIO is a defensive front guy. He cares more about the linebackers. But that's just because of the way that he used the game. I think and that how that's what I'm kind of getting towards is this like certain coordinators. You know prefer, you know? You're gonna stop the pass offense. Right. You're defending a pass offense. Like, how do you want to do it primarily do you wanna do it more from a pass rushing perspective or you do want to do it more from a coverage scheming perspective? And I think you know, to me, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that in terms of Sala. I think if you if you could get a premier pass rusher. He obviously would like you're saying every coach want that. But I just I wonder certain coaches are more about one than the other. And like you're saying Fangio's more about the pass rush. Now, I think that so one thing that I think that's interesting. If you think of the way the defenses constructed or like, I was just watching. Match quarters DVD from the Alabama defensive backs coach and everything they do is meant to basically put their defenders in a good place to stop the past. Now, they still align their front and they're back in coverages. So that your nickel defender can be a pass first player, for example. And so they will to gap on the nickel side. So that the nickel defender doesn't have to come in and actually take a gap. And so I think that even if you structure your defense with the defensive backs in mind, or if you structure to your defense with your front in mind, you're eventually going to converge in the same area, which is a marriage of front and coverage combined that get you the desired effect, whether you approach it from front to coverage coverage to front, you get place, which is the best defenses are ones where you can rush the quarterback with four and drop as many players as you can. And if you have an elite pass rusher Khalil Mack who could just disrupt whatever he wants on the front then. You're going to be better off. And that's what the Niners had with Fangio with Alden Smith. And I mean Fangio's defense in Chicago was not great two years ago. Now, that's why I bring it up all of a sudden, you got Khalil Mack. And this is like, you know. Yeah. And I think that has less to do with Fangio and more to do with talent. And that's why I think that on defense talent reigns. Supreme in once you have talent. Then of course, there scheme is gonna look great because you've got talented players because defense is all about playing quickly and playing in reacting to what's in front of you. Because the offense knows what they're doing. The defense is really reacting to what the offense is doing. And so if you can do that quickly. I think you're in a better place, then then kind of scheming or those other things, and that's not to say the scheme is not important. It is. But I do think that it is not as important as athleticism and speed of the ball as it is an offense sports psychologists will tell you that sports psychology, and the mental state the emotional state is not what is not the big factor. What the big factor is talent. And then what? Separates players. You know, like you're saying is the mental thing. It's the drive. It's the learning. It's the knowing shit more than the other guy. Right. That's basically it. It's and that's why I've I've heard anecdotes from players in the past that like the thing that they care about from their head coaches are not that you know, that they're this that and the other what it is that they teach them something they teach them a trick teach them something to look for right? They teach them something that gets them a leg up that fills up that last ten percent because everybody in the NFL is an elite talent. And so you're just filling up that last ten percent. And so those are the players you want for sure. All right, Danny. What that does it for this week's episode. Thanks for coming on, dude. Thanks for doing it on on day week and join your trip to California this good talking to you. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. Of course, dude. And I'll make sure that I always whenever I drink Rosa. We'll think of you and the Rosa almost the last hopefully, hopefully during color rush week go with the rose. That's exactly right, all ping. But the nine dot no pain. 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Niners Nate-tion: The hype train is back on track with Leo Luna

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Niners Nate-tion: The hype train is back on track with Leo Luna

"Fans welcome to the niners nation podcasts and what fan real good. It's a Monday after a win and I mean. Everyone in the world. Bet against the forty niners except for my man Tony Dungee. and. He went out and he said the niners are GonNa win this game and that's what they did. They went and took it to the rams and in almost in bluff fashion for a long time before they kinda allowed touchdowns, they probably shouldn't have but they won twenty, four, sixteen it was twenty one to nine for most of the game and the defense just showed out and it was awesome but real. Quick. Let's get into an NFC west checking seahawks had their by. So they are five and still the cardinals they destroyed the horrible without Dak Prescott cowboys. Thirty eight to ten and let you all know real quick the state the stance of this podcast is go cardinals this week beat the seahawks. So then we could beat them again next week and get ourselves back in this race but real quick limited my guest. Leo Luna of sports illustrated how you doing man? I'm doing well, I appreciate you having me on. It's a we were talking recently. Yeah. Last week I told you hey, great. Show it was fantastic I I love the ideas you were throwing off the walls and now here It's awesome. I mean it's great because that was the thing is you know I've been doing a lot of Solo shows lately in doing me wrong I love just giving my thoughts and thirty minutes. But after a win like that, I just wanted to talk to someone about how excited I am about this football team. Last night really felt like the first time this season, the offense looked like it didn't twenty nineteen and I really feel like now. We could start moving forward with yes. The injuries are still bad but this team has kyle Shanahan and Kyle Shanahan can overcome. All. Problems I really feel like that way. What did they say the sinking tide lifts all boats or something like that or some some some some some like that. But once again Kyle Shanahan last night showed how valuable he is and how amazing he can be if he just has competent play from all of his players. So the first question I really want to get into it then tonight is how big of a win was that last night for this team going forward to get them to five hundred. It was huge. I'M GONNA say it keeps them in the NFC west race because, yes. The seahawks are five hundred right now on the forty niners are three three. You may look at that and say what the heck are you talking about NFC west title like Dude you're dreaming no seriously think about it. The forty niners aren't the only ones with the heart schedule on top of that they control their own destiny. By playing Seattle twice themselves. Those are two games that I think they could win Seattle continues to have a terrible defense that they do and they have a history of playing Russell Wilson Berry well in the first half. So I would say the NFC west is out of contention it obviously puts them back into that playoff race, but now puts them in a position to say, Hey, let's go event defend our division title. Exactly and that's the thing is you know we the niners have now played the cardinals and the rams and the cardinals they almost one in a game where they never played well, and they really took it to the rams on Sunday night football the only team they haven't played in the Division as the seahawks which we'll see in two weeks and I have a guest for you next week that you are totally ready for Niner fans. But the thing is is if they can go into Seattle in two weeks and win and hopefully the Arizona cardinals. Get their business done this Sunday the Seahawks, two losses, and the niners are right back in the NFC west. They're right back in this fight to even get to be the number one seed in the playoffs. Yes it sucks we lost Miami. Yes it sucks. We lost the eagles and it totally sucks that they lost to the cardinals but this game can right the ship and send his team back on the way to winning division and maybe not hearing about the seahawks so much because then being five hundred, the most annoying thing I've ever dealt with Over the last couple of years with because they just use they lose at least one but I honestly don't want to talk to him. I don't think they've played that many good teams. Their records of the team that they played and yes, they did beat Miami who we lost two. But the records of the teams they played are not great that cowboys team with Jack was much better. Yes. But the defense was still awful as we saw tonight when the cartilage put thirty eight on him, and that defense is the same defense they played. So we're not gonNA talk about the seahawks night but real quick next question what was bigger the improved offensive line or Kyle Shanahan's playcalling. Is it okay same mixture of both that is incorrect dancer. It's got. into. Chemistry lab and they put up the perfect potion for this game because. Call Shanahan he got in his bag and that final play of the game. Were it was basically the pitch past deebo Samuel and he picked up the first down. That's what I thought in my head. I feel like everybody else all the other nine fans thought the same thing like we don't have really moster we can't just run this up the middle of Jerick McKinnon and try to get this first down because that wasn't going to happen So Little Quick Pitch Pass Deebo Samuel they got the first down and I think that's been the criticism with Shanahan is. Dude, why are you not running the obvious place that work and when they work in the first quarter why you get rid of them in the fourth quarter? Well, you didn't do that this time and he didn't try to outsmart himself. He did exactly what worked what the Rams couldn't stop. So that was fantastic on top of that. Yeah. This offense slide, the plays were drawn up to have them have success but no one expected a see Brent skill man Aaron Donald Likey did he made? Himself look like he was a three time. All Pro Right Guard because yeah in Era Donald's presser after the game was saying all day shaded, the protection way this and that. But from what I saw I saw quite a bit one match ups and Brent skill was winning those matchups. It creates confidence not only Shanahan to say, hey yeah. Maybe I should keep these plays that are working successful in the first and use them still in fourth and it gives. Offense blind confidence saying holy crap. We just stopped Aaron Donald, and the thing was he was a non factor that was the craziest thing. Is he literally you never even heard his name once except when they announced talk about him because he's the one of the best players fell and that was the thing is he was coming up four sacks the week before against that Washington team which yeah, they're not good. But the way people were talking about Austin, we weren't good. Going on game, play the rams and play them tough and your offensive line look like they're supposed to look when you're a team that should have. You know was in the Super Bowl and should have been the number one contender again. It was it was just awesome to watch and it makes me feel so good because the teams they play coming up that's probably the best pass rusher play for a while like. New, England has chased win of, but I don't see them like really getting to the quarterback a lot and we know for a fact, the Seattle seahawks can't do it. And Green Bay we just own them I don't know. They can't play physical football teams. So things are looking up a lot because this horrible stretch that we've been talking about for the last two weeks that's coming up play the Rams seahawks patriots also starting to look like these are winnable games and there's there's starting to look like a lot of the rest of the season is winnable yet maybe they might drop one or two here. But. Eleven and five is totally a possibility. I might even say twelve. Twelve and four is a possibility like anything can happen now because the offensive line has played well now is this a one week thing I don't know it was Aaron, Donald. Right that doesn't happen. It's not a one week thing against Donald, and then you just go back to terrible again. And coming into this game, the forty niners offense line per pro football reference gave up the highest quarterback pressure percentage more than any other team in the NFL. They were actually the only team, a thirty percent rate, and then they went out and only gave up three pressures all game long. It was I mean it was awesome to watch and it just. Like I hope every single lyman on that teams talking smack to every pundit in every interview for the rest of the week after how they performed. It was really something to behold and it was what we expected as niner. Fans throughout this whole offseason number like this, the same offense of lions last year and they were great and not to mention Garoppolo got the ball out fast there was never a time where he was of just standing there looking like an idiot trying to find and I. Felt like He. Got The ball threw it away a couple of times that mass and I didn't think he was going to do that because he tends to not throw the ball away tends to take the sack, which is the most annoying thing and what's what Alex Smith was to do piss the fans off so much. But only that. So much of that playcalling was run the ball and run the ball down their throats and run the ball creatively and run the ball on. So many different ways that the just couldn't keep up. They could not stop it depot. I don't think caught a pass beyond the line of scrimmage yet he had like ninety four yards. I had to rethink myself about that house like. Man? Depot. Had A had a hell of a year last season with receiving yards as a rookie. That's fantastic. You never expect a rookie to get a nine hundred or a thousand yards. It doesn't happen often. Now it is with AJ round doing it last year and then I I thought to myself. It was like man depots GonNa fall well short of his yardage that he did last year's rookie away those plays are passing place they're not running plays so. Yeah they were all behind the line of scrimmage but whatever works that's what I liked about what Shanahan did is whatever works and he just stuck with it the entire game plan and that was the thing is my biggest thing. Last week was we need to run the ball, but it didn't mean just run the ball. Throat with with with most hurt, it meant run the ball in creative schemes the way they did and when I mean, yes, technically is a pass but let's be honest there. It's not a it's not a pass like I mean grop getting yards for it, but there's no passing really involved. It's it's Shanahan finding ways to use his linemen and create scheme were dudes like have huge running lanes and it's what what got them at the Super Bowl last year and they're finally doing it again and. It looked. It. Looked so good last night and I was such a great thing to watch and it made me just ecstatic to see what this team can do going forward now that they finally I feel like gotten two thousand and nineteen swagger back that makes oh, absolutely. I said if they were going to win that game, they had a rush the ball for thirty five times they ran it for thirty seven times. So I, it was spot on and what? I? Didn't see from them was running the ball cal Shannon said Oh well, the game flow kind of dictated that the eagles game dictate that it was a one score game. The entire time you could have ran the ball and yet they ran the ball for only twenty times. So now we're talking about a seventeen rush attempt difference. Yeah. That's what happens when you get seventeen more carries in a game you dominate the time of possession you keep your defense rested and. And we saw what those corners could do arrested and relaxed and not on the wheel crazy amount of place. So it worked out well. And that's I. Mean we're talking about the defense. How good is the secondary right now and can they overcome this past rest like think about it Jason Arete. Literally, the guy has not played any football for the last five years and he was lights out last night. He is currently I think the best corner in the NFL statistically like he's been that good and so if he can keep this up and I know we don't have Nick Bosa and I know we don't have Ron Blair and defoe Ford I know we don't have Julian Taylor. I don't think it matters if you're corners are playing this well. I mean you're going to struggle Russell Wilson because of who he is, but most teens are not gonna be able to pass on you. This rams team was one of the top tier pass teams in the NFL before this game. Absolutely I. Think this guy. Could carry that pass rush and mainly because. They're confident. They we this is like the fifth time we're GONNA. Say They have their two thousand, nineteen slag back and for rent he has is two thousand, fifteen swag and that release he did in his own to pick that play. Gosh that's such a smart play by cornerback. We see a lot of quarterbacks I will just see that in the air and be like Oh. Oh, Oh dan gate that's a tiny. It. He. For example. Or even kill a witherspoon. He doesn't have the best ball scares skills when he sees it in the Air Jason Brats dog and that was completely different he saw that ball in the air and he went and took it for that interception and then Emmanuel Moseley people. Were that narratives coming for more ease not athletic. He's not well the guys about sixty tall and he runs a four four. He's pretty darn athletic and we saw that on the clothes out for his pass break up he came out of his e step and just went in swatted away Hekla play, and then what's going unspoken about because he had to poor place last. Week is the game that Jomar Taylor had. He played his own in the slot. Fantastic. That was one of the keys of the game I said because the rams love running out of the slot he was in coming into that game with a ton of pressure. He dropped in a zone. He wasn't. I. Seem Split Wide Receivers perfectly he didn't cheat one way or the other and. K One we love him so much because he is fantastic coming from that slot position and blitzing and Jomar Taylor is starting to become a name to be known as a blitzer. Let's be fair. He skating a pressure every single week and This this secondary. They're only gonNA get better. That's the thing Sherman's GonNa come back at a point I would expect whether how late it is in the season or As soon as it is he's coming back well, k. one I just brought up. Tomorrow Taylor had a great game, but they want a hell of a lot better. I'm going to be honest. So he's coming as well. They're only getting better at the secondary position and Jimmy Ward could only get better as well to maybe get a shell of his two thousand Nineteen Cell and well, just like I said, the is getting better. So as the defensive line, I know we've had a setback with Ronald Blair and Julian Taylor but eventually they'll be back as well. So. I think they can carry them without the the lack of pressure and honestly coming into this game another for pro football reference staff they had is the forty niners were top two and three in pressure rate and quarterback hit rate. In the NFL so they have been getting their this game was just a different story for whatever reason they didn't drive the pressure but wall, we talk about the secondary being grading coverage will they got? One of the best linebacking core in Oh. Yeah. Bridges well with Fred Warner and drake re law. So when we talk about the secondary, we should bring them up as well. Well, this defense is so good and real quick Jason Brett I was looking for earlier. He's only allowed a passer rating of seven point eight this season. That's amazing. That is absolutely amazing but the thing is this defense. That's the biggest thing is they're so good and they were so good last year and they're so banged up. You know now jocosely, tart might not play I think he probably bring various more and I hope because I'm not a real big Marcella Marshall Harris, guy but. A week and see what happens you know but this defense is still so good. DRE GREENLAW GETS better every game and Fred Warner has really proven as I've said on this show a million times he is the best linebacker in the NFL bar none. There's nobody in the NFL who's better than Fred Warner right now so you have that S-. You still have Eric Armstead. and. You Got Kim Law who gets better every week as well and you've got Kerry Hyder and carry hyder is just awesome. He's getting better every week on the dray greenlaw stop on the towards the end zone Kerry Hyder almost had him. That's a blind man who almost caught that running back. The thing is the defense improves every week and I'm hoping that Selah is seeing that and working on that because the Brian Allan thing I said on this show was absolutely atrocious. That was the worst thing. Saleh's done in his years with the forty niners, and this is the perfect bounceback game. 'cause they look like the best defense. In the NFC West for sure and they might be one of the best defense in the NFC. If the buccaneers didn't exist, they were all over the field and jerk Gov did not know who throw to keep in mind it's not jared goff is throwing to scrubs jared Goff is starting to Robert Woods Cooper. Cup. Tyler higby is a great tight end Gerald. Everett is a great compliment. You know, yes they don't have like the dog earlier anything any. They were throwing good football players who they've scored a lot points on a lot of teams with and the niners just shut him out for most of that game because of how good that defense is, and if this secondary can continue to be that. Good. Watch out Seattle Watch out Arizona when we play them again, this team. Does not need to score a ton of points in order to win win the defense is that good they held the the Eagles to sixteen points. The only reason the Eagles won that game is because Nick mones through one of the worst pick sixes I've ever seen in my entire life. If Nick doesn't throw that all they win against the Eagles and we're talking about a four four, two team who is only two games behind in the NFC west. So. It's the thing is they've had some bad breaks. They've had some bad injuries, but Kyle Shanahan. Is Finding ways to overcome it and Robert Sala had a bounceback game and was awesome. And I feel like this pass rush really could improve and. I honestly believe that it's either pass rush or secondary with how good you are, and the niners had an oak a decent secondary but their pass rush top tier this year they're gonNA have a top your secondary with an all right pass rush and I think it might be okay because of just how could Jason Beretta's? On. Exactly. And so you know the one thing a lot of people were worried about last week was Jimmy G. being hurt. You know the two big things were Jimmy being hurt and the events we just said the defense was awesome Jimmy G. came out and played a great game and I think that. A lot of people on twitter talking about maybe we should be worried because there wasn't many throws past the you know past the line of scrimmage. But I don't think that's what the niners of ever wanted to do. That's not who they are. They want to get the ball to their yards after the catch guys and have them make plays and that's what a Shanahan offense is predicated. But do you personally think we should be worried about Jimmy G. not. Really making big throws. I don't think so so when it comes to the area arts I, I said. They just need a beat, these wide receivers, they these guys are great with yards after the catch in I include kill in that when I say wide receiver because he plays the position light one these guys are great at it. So the matter what it takes to get the ball, you get them the ball. So now if someone shows me the air yards, well, I can't go back home and I said I get these guys the. Ball and that's exactly what they did and as far as throwing down builders and be times where you have to does it worry me not really because kills day was about fifteen yards that's over the ten yard clip with what we're personally asking for with more experience. Brandon I use GONNA draw. Pi. On that play in the fourth quarter. Yeah. that was more of a p than the play before on on a Kendrick born so. I'm seeing things that I. Like with down the field Jimmy Garoppolo he's a in rhythm player. He didn't play at all in the second half and he just came off. Probably the worst habit football he's ever played in his life does. It even including the Super Bowl So with that being said Jimmy isn't get better throwing the deep ball throwing ten yards in past the line of scrimmage. When he gets more in rhythm, once his ankle starts feeling a little better. It doesn't worry me at this point maybe if we're having the same conversation on week twelve week thirteen than it will. But as of right now, him playing his second four quarter full game of football of the season. Doesn't worry me. This is Mark Lacey National Editor at The New York Times. As we head into a pivotal election, it's our mission to find answers to the questions you have that means analyzing what the candidates are saying, but it also means looking deeply at the issues from an economy under stress to a national reckoning on racism every day we do the research so we can help you make an informed decision. None of this work would be possible without our subscribers if you'd like to subscribe to the Times go to. NY. TIMES DOT COM. Slash subscribe. Espionage, and presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season with your favorite espy nation community leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis, fantasy football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the SP nation NFL show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast. APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. I think he looked good out there and that was the thing like there was a couple times where you know he didn't step all the way. Through a bad ball and like but that we saw the good Jimmy Garoppolo that I think a lot of people have wanted to see and that's hitting guys who were open and that's part of a couch general as well. These guys are being schemed open. So often as long as you have a quarterback who gets the ball out fast and hits these guys, they're gonNa make plays and that's what they did and so everyone says all the time how Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't scare them well when they're running the ball like they are, and then they also have the threat of George Kindle. and. I. Really Think we'll get into this patriots team I. Think they're GONNA shut down towards kill I. think that's what think that's what Bella checks plan is going to be as to completely shut down George Hill. So it's going to be up to deebo and I. And probably drew Michael Hasty to to make plays and get them even Jecklin Kenan to get them over this patriots team that I don't think is very good as well but. The thing is is as long as Shannon is in his bag, which I really don't feel like Shanahan has been in his bag much season is Shannon. Isn't it bag? Jimmy. Garoppolo is good enough to make the plays that they need to make to win football games and Jimmy Garoppolo showed that last night against a team that was foreign one it doesn't matter. We can talk about the teams the explained how they're not that good. The teams, the Rams played the not that good they. Were still form one and that's still a top tier talent. You beat on Primetime in front of the world after two weeks ago they watched you lose to that Eagles team with your backup quarterback and solve it. Oh, they got their guy back. They got their quarterback they got killed back and they just dominate it for four quarters and I think that's a huge statement win last night that shows hey, Jimmy Garoppolo might not be Patrick Mahomes but he's still pretty good in this offense. Yeah in that's fair and. And Cal Shannon's got to do the same thing moving forward. With Garoppolo understanding where he's out with his ankle in understanding what he does best and I tweeted out last night if Robert doesn't hit that day. Any other spot than he hit kiddle that's not a touchdown. Yeah. One inch behind him George Ghetto probably gets tackled. He put it in the exact perfect spot. Were killed were needed to be and it gave kiddle that momentum to break the tackle and running in easily for the touchdown. But that's not going to get really mentioned out there as far as twitter goes which Robin. Guessing why the non air yards are more important than that ball being thrown on a complete rote. Yeah it was perfectly placed and that's the thing is that's the thing. People are GonNA forget how perfectly place a lot of those balls were last night and how good he was when he did have to throw it and yeah, I mean the thing is the rams maybe aren't the best but they still have Jalen Ramsey out there like it's not like they're playing with a terrible corner like they're playing with better corner than you're going to see in any team you play in the next five weeks you know. I mean maybe Stephon Gilmore but the thing is like the Patriots haven't played that well on defense like they let the broncos willingly walked down the field on them. Multiple Times with drew lock and yeah. Drew Lock through too bad passes that got the Patriots back into that game but real quickly about the Patriots. How good do you think the Patriots are really? Do you think that yesterday as I do think that maybe saw yesterday was a product of the no practice because of the Cova Thing Cam Cam Newton looked a little gas but I don't I, think personally, this might be one of the worst patriots teams we've seen in a long time. I think there average at best I'd ever been to high on camp because I look at his accuracy I look at his completion percentage is. His interception, a touchdown ratios been. Okay. But it's nothing charts. So I've never been a cam new in guy and then seeing him this year I'm like, okay. That makes sense. That's why I'm not a Cam Newton guy plus the receivers they had are pretty bad totally way worse than what the rams have. So I'm confident in these corners to lock these guys down and the only thing that. Worries me about Cam Newin is his legs and extending plays just rushing prefers downs that's about it, and with this patriots team their average at best to where if you don't play your a game, you come out and play your see game. They could probably take that game away from you rather than saying a team that's below average you could play average and still win the game but. I think everybody wants to win this game for Jimmy. Ruin back home to New England I. I think this is everyone wants to win this for Jimmy. This locker room loves whatever twitter says about him this locker room loves Jimmy Garoppolo and I don't see how they lose be says I don't see the patriots going more than seventeen points with that being said. I don't see how this offense can't muster twenty points against this Patriots Defense Yeah drew lock not that good of a quarterback and he did not have his best receiver in camera in or his best tight end in Noah Fan and they still walked down the field pretty often. Their offense a blind is way worse than the forty niners it may not be statistically but the personnel. The upside it has nowhere near the upside the forty niners offense of had, and they still walk down the field on this new. England team does not scare me there. I'm not a Free I. You know the Cam Newton thing is going to run I think he's going to run problem it's going to happen but Fred Warner said after they lost to Miami, this is something we need to work on when talking about the fact that fits ran for a first down. And it wasn't even that bad. It wasn't as bad as the Kylie Murray game was the first week. This is something they need to work on and we're GONNA find out for real this week. If this is something that they have worked on this top tier defense, which is still I think fourth in pass coverage like their seconds fourth in pass coverage despite the fact that Brian Allen played a whole play the whole half football which was discussing as I said, last week. They are still so good. In this patriots team seems like they're really not that great. The one thing I'm worried about is bill belichick because he's such a good coach he just might have not have the personnel to be able to beat this stadium. Yeah it's coaching I believe one hundred percent can overcome personnel at times I don't think this is one of those match ups because like you said, you believe Bella checks in try to take away kittle will cal Shanahan knows that and the beauty about that is the forty niners have way more weapons than the Broncos did all they had basically was judy in. A hamlet is not really there to say he's completely a weapon but forty niners have deebo Samuel and brandon that they could use at their disposal at any time if they tried to take away cattle and I think they have secret weapon and that's the next question. About is how do you think this moster injury is gonNA affect us in the coming weeks I think I think they're going to be okay because I think to Michael Hasty. Might be a star and the the little bit. We saw him I think it was nine carries forty yards something along those lines. There's something about that kid and he's so young and I think he has a lot of talent where they could potentially use him kind of like the most he's not as fast as moster. The potential to. Fix to hold them that whole until most are comes back because most is a true running back one and I think we've finally seen that this week his feet don't start moving but if they continue to use jet in the passing game and maybe bring him in, you know for hasty this running back attack should still be okay I think what do you think? I think it should like definitely gonNA feel most are not being there. But if you want to have that feeling a little less to Michael, hasty has to be your leading carrier. He has to get the most touches. It cannot be Jerick McKinnon Yeah Derek McKinnon. He may buzzed off twenty yard run maybe once a game and make his yards per attempt. Look a little better but besides that if I WANNA give the volume to two Michael Hasty I. had this brought to my attention don't you see a little bit of Devante Freeman and he? Kinda Yeah I. Did. Ponte Freeman workout in Shanahan system, he was a stud absolute stud and Shannon used to the best of his ability where he's never been used like that ever again. Exactly. So maybe it's just the little choppy fee, the size, the hair I see Devante Freeman and I think that's what Shanahan saws well, and he tried his best tried his best to hold off on Michael hazing try to keep them there on the practice squad. Hey, we will have you next year when some contracts expire. We want you here and now came to worship as well. McCain wasn't doing it for me against the rams to is is game outta. Michael NYC Aries, and he looked well like it may not look like he went for crazy game wasn't averaging five yards per attempt while neither was moster but we look at it as a standpoint of how hard were you, renae? And those guys had earned every rushing yard. They got you solve most are just put a dead body into the ground with if. And John Michael Hasty House those little cuts. Once he sees a hold similar to most eagles full speed rather than McKinnon. He still a little hesitant when he sees the whole. So Michael. This running attack will be fine as long as the Michael. Hastings you're leading carrier in I. Think Shanahan's out the point to where he knows. He cannot hold off on him anymore and he's got let them free. Well, that's the thing is I don't think hasty ever goes back to the practice squad after last night I just don't think it's they don't think it's possible. I think when Kevin? Coleman. Come back to actually choice to make because I. Think they're going to have to release one of these guys or something or do something because I don't think Kevin Coleman's coming back next year and I think that John Michael Hayes. He's probably the future of your backup position and I'd like to see Jeff Wilson I still like him a law is. He was injured in this game is we need to see him but I like Jeff Wilson and I to Michael Hasty a love moster and I wanNA see more jet petits wasn't given us to us on giving it to us on Sunday I this running back corps is Great. Right without most they're going to be fine. It's just comes down to Kyle Shanahan scheming these guys in the run game, which is what his specialty is and also not relying on running back using like they've used deebo depot. A lot of people talk about the injury that Deebo had and how it was the same thing. Trent? Taylor. Hadn't trip it ended up sidelining Trent Taylor for a whole year and all this stuff depot took two games and he looked back to the same guy he was last year. and. That's just deebo Samuel that's who he is. He's a stud football player and he's going to come out and he's GonNa ball every single game as long as he's on that roster and I think i. Like we've said before is getting better every week and I think they're gonNA, start using him that way as well. The the run game will be fine without most are now I hope it's not long just because I think that most really special like they got something in him that I didn't expect. You know rights legs never stops moving. So yeah, most it's on the short term I are. So He's GonNa Amiss at least the next three games we already spoked. The next one is New England that's going to be a tough game guard that Mozart's they are because ballot check is a hell of a defensive coordinator and then Seattle their pass defense thirty second in the League. So I don't think we should be missing about most are too much at in that game, and then the third game is the Green Bay packers. Well, the packers just gave up up one hundred, thirteen yard or yard suit Ronald Jones. His first one, hundred yard game in his career. Yeah. So if Ronald Jones ran for one hundred, thirteen yards, I'm pretty sure McKinnon in. Hasty conditions something against the Green Bay, packer? Defense. As well as Keyshawn Bon ran the ball for another forty, two yards eight point, four average against his Green Bay packer defense. So those three games look at it. It's going to be tough regardless. So that don't even worry about most are being gone that game Sea Hawks thirty seconds past the events thirty. That's his bad. Akers anybody's running on them. So I think they'll be they'll be okay they'll be. It's funny because you know you think about that packer game and they have nightmares about he moster and I'm hoping that call Shannon gives them nightmares about Michael Hasty after that game because it's Thursday night football it's that team they haven't changed. We saw they haven't changed the bucks literally did the same thing the forty niners did them twice last year? Did you watching that Bucks Game I? Don't know if this is just me did you watch that boxing thing? This looks a little familiar. This looks like the NFC championship like they couldn't do anything to stop it. No, they couldn't. They were completely dominated. and. Do Anything. Special Bremer throw a little bit I. Don't think Godwin had more than nine fantasy points like Godwin was even used that much. They just took Roggio and random up the middle and killed them and. It was schemed incredibly well, but it kind of made me think if the niners beat the rams tonight, we're back in this thing like the Green Bay packers aren't better than us the New England the New Orleans saints aren't better than US I. Mean they have a quarterback who's eighty nine years old kit throw the ball beyond five yard line and you could stop. Alvin. Kamara, you could beat them and so things are really looking up. So the final question for you know we get out of the show is, can the forty niners win the NFC west three games behind the Seattle seahawks and the Seattle Center played any teams in the division and don't generally do well against teams in the division in those games they find ways to lose. Did. Last night inspired the hope that the niners hype train can continue and we can potentially win the NFC west maybe if even if it takes a week seventeen. Absolutely absolutely. Because I, just didn't see a win from the forty niners I saw a dominating fashion over your rival with some swag and they were missing that swag this whole entire season. Yeah. They steamed role the jets and the giants, but it wasn't nothing. Does now's nineteen. It wasn't two thousand Nineteen Vibes Games. It wasn't. Everybody was more soaking about the injuries and wishing Nick Bosa. Well in his recovery last night it was hey, we're better than you and we're gonNA dance in your face while we do it, and with that being said, it's looking at the remaining schedule Okay New England's games not as tough as we thought, it would be two weeks ago Seattle's defense continues to be thirty second pass As. Well, as the packers they continue to have nightmares with any running back that they face and then after I believe it is. Go ahead and remind me it is. It's the so it's the saints. In New Orleans and they probably will have Michael Thomas back. So that's one thing to keep in mind and granted punches someone again. That's always a factor with Michael Thomas. The thing is I still think they're better than them. They proved better than them last year and I just don't think they have what it takes to beat the forty nine even it turns into a shootout. The niners are better scheme and have better tool players in George Kettle that nobody could stop him and I is just star and they're gonNA keep using it more and more as the season goes on. Then they play the rams. Again, we've shown we are better than. Than they played the buffalo bills who? They are not who we thought. They were with beginning of the season. The buffalo bills were scary because their defense was awesome. They had a great pass rush. They had Josh Allen who was getting better and Josh Allen against the chiefs and against the Tennessee titans did not look like a top tier quarterback. Will really quick his worst games of the season. The reds was all MVP caliber. Yeah. Let's do the MVP trained for Josh Allen and then he looks like Josh Allen that we know as yeah on Tuesday night Monday night the forty niners play Josh Allen on a Monday night. That's a great point. No totally and I think that buffalo bills game is totally winnable. Then they play the awful Washington football team who put Kyle Alan at quarterback this week and we know Kyle. Allen. He's yeah. Then, they played the Dallas cowboys who are just lost. They have no idea what they're doing Andy Dalton is not good and they just. That division, the Eagles are GonNa win it that division is awful and they should sweep the rest of that division. The Eagles game was totally the most perplexing thing ever, but it was. We blame it on the backup quarterback then they get revenge against the cardinals who listen yeah. Let me not to interject on you but the forty niners pobably played. Their worst football they can in a close game probably the worst game of football in a close game that we've ever seen them the past two years the Dolphin one I'm not counting because that was not a close game the Allen, it's Brian Asphalt exactly the eagles that was a backup quarterback but we expect Jimmy Garoppolo to play against US cardinals as well as the rest of the schedule. I think. There would be a hell of a lot better in this week sixteen up against the cardinals. Cardinals I think they're good football team I. Think they have some potential but I still think a year away. Defense has little sputters where they don't look good Buddha Baker however is improving every single week and becoming a problem in this division look for Buddha. Baker to really be a big factor in the cardinals seahawks game this week which cardinals and then finally that week seventeen matchup against the Seattle seahawks at home at Levi's maybe they'll be fans it's January third if they can beat the. seahawks twice which they have not done in years. But if they do that this team wins the NFC west and that is a guarantee you will hear from me on this show right now the forty niners beat the seahawks twice. They will win the NFC west like you said earlier I do see twelve and foreign there. Now that I see that they have their two thousand, nine, hundred Swag I look at that schedule and I say, why should they not be favored in every game? Why not? So that'll change that'll change. Give. Vegas some time they'll change that. Let me get on it real quick and so I look at it. I'M GONNA say I'M GONNA give them one game just because it's the NFL things happen players get tired I do see twelve in four as a legit possibility and if you're going into that last game with Seattle being twelve in three. They I liked how San Francisco matches up against Seattle I really do, and I'm not just being a homer on that I look at what Seattle puts on tape. Then I look at the numbers Alagoas Ford Nour's on tape, and then I look at the numbers and there's no reason the forty niners can't win. This Russell Wilson is not going to do what he's been doing with decay came metcalf to team not going to happen the niners do not allow big plays like that. Unless Brian. QUARTERBACK cornerback. There is no way the decay metcalf. Wide Open Jason Verita all night that is not going to happen I'm GonNa say this this week I'll say next week decay metcalf will knock it wide open and Russell some. We'll play MVP because he going to win the MVP at the end of the season probably but. Next week, you will see what happens when the seahawks play a top tier defensive talent in this league and I think people are going to be really surprised and the narrative is going to start shifting and we're this'll be week eight. The narrative will start shifting and I really think that it's going to come down week seventeen nine seahawks in. Levi's decides who wins this division I agree one, hundred, percent and I guess, this could be a little hot take. I think their quarterback mobility problem isn't get fixed with Dr Green being there. I. Watched those two guys on the field together and I see talk to inside linebacker in the league top to. Donnelly No. I see it to dribbling law has been an absolute steel and so as Fred Warner and quantum exander back and he'll be there too and I think he's still good. Maybe he's not as good as what green putting out now because it's been amazing. Just how fast right greenlaw has shown that he's an absolute stud in this league and I think that they could potentially move on from Alexander because of just how good drake greenlaw is but I'm seeing New Age Navarro. Bowman Patrick Willis stuff. Going on and and maybe it's not unlike the hitting and the aggressive and just how mean they are. It's an how good they are football. They are just the best and they know they're the best and they work so well together and they're taking care of teams and it's linebackers don't get a lot of talk you know 'cause a lot of people watching linebackers. These guys are all over the field and it's been amazing to watch and I think it's going to continue to get better every single week. Yeah. We saw Fred Warner make sideline tackles all game but Jason Brag doesn't get that touchdown. If Greenlaw doesn't get off the block from higby and smack Henderson, the two yard line early that interception never happens in that just shows the athleticism of greenlaw like you said, it's not maybe the big sculpted figures like Bowman and Willis. But these guys are twenty twenty NFL athletic linebackers and top two inside linebackers in the NFL absolutely. And I mean. I'm just so excited again last night. Got Me. So excited four nights football the trade is back on maybe it's time. Feels great baby. We're GONNA take care of New England this week. Go niners go cardinals. If people want to check out your stuff, Leo, go ahead and let them know. Yes, you can find me on twitter. It's at Luna Ninety three or you could go ahead and check on my youtube channel is under tapped in sports totally, and you showed that you totally should. He puts a lot of great content I listened to his shows all the time. 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Stats & Eggs, 9/22: Jimmy Garoppolo might start this week

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04:51 min | Last month

Stats & Eggs, 9/22: Jimmy Garoppolo might start this week

"Morning I'm rob stats. Rare today is Tuesday. September twenty second twenty twenty here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners bat that's what's happening with the forty niners bad. Allow me to paint you a picture of the teams weekend. They were supposed to fly to new, Jersey on Friday but they had to go to a different airport to leave because airport workers crashed into the team charter dented it and made it unsafe to fly. Then during the game, the forty niners lost four starters to injury including Nick Bosa Jimmy Garoppolo Moster and Solomon Thomas. The injured players were supposed to have an MRI yesterday, but those results were delayed because the MRI truck that was going to the team facility broke down. The truck coming to diagnose all the forty niners injuries got injured. You can't make this stuff up. Now let's get to what we do know starting with those injuries, the news on Nick Bosa and Solomon Thomas was as expected both have torn ACL's and both are done for the year Nick Bosa has experienced coming back from a tornado Seattle. He actually injured the other ACL in high school. So He's done this before Solomon Thomas has not, but he's likely played his last game as a forty niner as he is a free agent after the season, the news on quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo was much better. Kyle Shanahan says he actually has a chance to start next week because the high ankle sprain isn't too. Severe Jimmy's our guy and I mean if he's good to go and the doctor says healthy and he is not, he can go out there protect himself Jimmy feels confident in doing it and especially instant win and that ace then Jimmy will be out there on the Jimmy's not safe. Then he can't protect himself. Then we'll go neck by the way sticking with this disaster of a season so far. Shinhan, also said Jimmy took an extra shot on the play that sprained his ankle because the referee had his mask over his face and couldn't blow the whistle when the play should have been stopped. Running backs where he mustered in Heaven Coleman will likely miss at least next week against the giants and probably more most it has a sprained MC l. and Coleman's also battling a knee injury that would leave Jerick McKinnon and Jeff Wilson teams healthy active running backs expect to promotion from the practice squad this week Shanahan. Also clarified the D. Ford started out with a neck injury but. The problem really has moved down to his back now and it's more of a back strain which I guess is encouraging also linebacker dray greenlaw has a contusion that he suffered on special teams. Now, that's a hell of a list for sure but despite the injuries Kyle said, the team has sort of moved on after taking some time to vent last night, we have some time to. A little bit about some around lucky with the injuries but. It's also a challenge to and you know more more equipped for this than we were years ago when you lose some guys, I keep saying it but I mean it you know we got some hope a lot of other guys to as I said on Sunday this team is now in a spot where they're depending on multiple guys with a long history of not staying healthy Jerick McKinnon and Jordan read. That's not ideal in light of all those injuries the team did make one move to help offset the loss of Nick Bows and Solomon. Thomas Veteran Pass rusher ziggy. ANSAH has agreed to terms on a one year deal. The team had worked out multiple times before this couldn't come to an agreement suddenly nick boasts and Solomon Thomas. Go down the forty niners may be willing to spend a little bit more onset does have a to double digit sack seasons in his Career he will be reunited with Defensive Line coach Chris Course Eric who was with on when he was a top ten draft pick with the lines something to read on this Tuesday is Kyle Posey's four overreactions after the forty niners win over the jets. One of the overreactions signed Colin Kaepernick. Kyle doesn't think it should happen. He explains why something to watch the forty niners voiced their displeasure over the state of the turf at Metlife Stadium to the league this morning. Apparently, the NFL is looking into the situation no word on what could be done to improve things before Sunday's game against the giants something, you might have missed an interesting nugget came from Kyle Shanahan press conference about Jimmy Garoppolo who kyle says has played well when he's been hit by the opposing teams pass rush like he was on Sunday Shanahan was asked about it yesterday and offered up an interesting plan to continue getting those kind of results total we can hit. Him with a bat on the way out before we start if he wants. So that'll help him. But he kind of laughed at that's going to do it for this edition of stats and eggs, please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation podcast network to get this and all the great shows we have to offer dropping later today nine, hundred, eight, four, one, five, podcast, those speak to NBC Sports Bay area's Jennifer Generally J I'm Rob Stats Guerrero we'll talk tomorrow.

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ESPN's Mike Golic on Eagles struggles, 49ers' injuries + more

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22:36 min | 2 weeks ago

ESPN's Mike Golic on Eagles struggles, 49ers' injuries + more

"What's going on everybody rob stats. Guerrero year. Welcome to another edition of the niners nation podcast. We have a very special guest. Today has the opportunity last night to catch up with Mike Golic Espn Hall of Famer, Golick, and I used to work together on Mike and Mike back in the day. So it was nice to finally catch up with him after a while we we've seen each other a little bit at super bowls and stuff, but we hadn't had an extended conversation. So I wanted to do that this week is the forty niners prepare to face the eagles here or at least the shell of the Eagles as both of these teams are just injured beyond belief. So I got his thoughts on the Eagles and the niners and more bigger picture NFL stuff too with the covid situation that's happening and actually even a little bit on Russell Wilson and the seahawks. So we'll get into all that. But before we get there, I wanted to give you my quick preview on the eagles game. Since most of this episode is going to be the interview with Golick. basically comes down to three things for me for the forty niners year three goals number one. Protect Nick mullins. Number to. Avoid to score deficit a number three. Find a way to get pressure on Carson. Wentz, you have to do that because even though I know he struggled I think he he's good enough to hurt the forty niners especially with their banged up secondary. So A little bit more on the first one protecting moans it's pretty simple. The forty niners offensive line has been a train wreck so far this season and Philly as good defensive line they have some talent there especially in the middle of Fletcher Cox that is a problem for the forty niners because the interior of their offensive line is awful and when you have a weakness of your team that matches up with the strength of your opponent. That's when you really start to see game plans just get blown up. So that's something obviously the forty niners are GonNa have to contend with. Them to do a lot of quick passes some rpo probably some screens to sort of mitigate that pass rusher maybe used that Russia against the eagles a little bit, but they absolutely have to protect mullins. That's the only way that the offense is going to function as they try and go down the field and score some points and that ties into the second point I made, which is avoid a score. Deficit. You know people have said Nick mullins has played great and he's done a very good job. I've never disputed that but he also hasn't taken a single snap this year from behind the niners have been either tied or winning in every snap. Nick mullins has taken this year and there's a difference. It's it's just a different mindset. You know there's different stakes when you know that you're trailing as opposed to. Tied or ahead and what happens if they get down to scores is marlins the Kinda guy that's GonNa. Lead them back everyone says he knows the offense really well but in a two minute drill you know a lot of times it comes down to chemistry with your guys maybe you see something in the defense and you give somebody a quick hand signal to make a change I mean there's that story. From last week where Nick Foles came in for the bears and told her receiver hey, dude, they're going to send all blitz. So you just run to the L. in the end zone and I'll throw t there. I mean sometimes that happens and I don't know if the backup is going to be ready to do that I know there's a chance that Jimmy Garoppolo plays I don't think that's going to happen. Protect him from himself even if he plays how mobile you know how well is he gonNA be able to get around an ankle just let them sit out another week. I think that's the smart thing to do and I think the forty niners will do that now. The third point. Find a way to get pressure on Carson Wentz. We've seen he's turned the ball over this season. He has two interceptions in every game. His confidence is clearly shaken right now I would love to see the forty niners come out early, send some extra blitzer and just sort of get in his mind like no, here we go. Again. Don't give him a chance to SORTA. Get some momentum going. especially with no crowd there with no fans you know if they came out early went three and the crowd will be going crazy i. it would be a different experience with no fans I almost feel like that helps Carson wentz sort of avoid that situation. One thing I am worried about Carson Wentz is his legs. He can run a little bit. He can move and I think that Doug Peterson is smart enough to alter his game plan enough to make that a significant factor. I think he's smart enough to say look if Carson's turn the ball over and he's being inaccurate with his throw, that's not the best way for us to move the ball down. The field. Let me get carson out on the edge. Maybe we'll do some option plays whatever it might be I think he can alter his game plan to do that because the forty niners have shown, they struggle against mobile quarterbacks and the Nice thing about that from the Eagle's perspective if Carson does have some success on the ground, he's does start to build that confidence back up a little bit. You See. The chains move you see the offense go down the field. You see the guys on the offense you know their spirits get picked up a little bit madder. So you know they say sometimes shooters just need to see the ball go through the net. Well. That's what you don't want with the Eagles and Carson Wentz because if he does get rolling, he's an elite quarterback and he would be by far the. Best quarterback. The forty niners have seen this season. So I WANNA see Sala come out early and try and just take heart immediately they've been blitzing a lot more since the injuries they've been blitzing I think twenty eight percent of the time something like that which is crazy high for the forty niners so it's nice to see. Sala. Evolve I. Hope he keeps that going up but those are my three factors. Protect mullins avoid a ten point deficit and pressure. Carson Wentz it's not rocket science I know but I just wanted to give a little treetop preview the game because Golic and I got into it some but it wasn't the focus of our interview. So enough babbling from me without further ado the Great Mike Golic of ESPN. I am super excited to talk to and I'm not stunned that these words are coming out of my mouth, a hall of Famer in the One and only Mike Golic, Mike? How're you doing? That's so weird to hear. I'M NOT GONNA lie I. Talk about some things that not to expect when you go through. A bunch of years on the radio. TV something you had really planned on doing to hear those words is pretty wild how you doing man good to talk to you. Thank you. Yeah. For those who don't know I work with Mike every day for about five years on Mike and Mike and I always said if I interviewed you, I was going to start the interview with the same words that you said to me. When you found out, I was leaving ESPN and you probably don't remember this but those words were what's up I thought it was when you were leaving. Why did it take so long? To. Sounds like something I would say though. God. I can't believe it's been so long and has man we're getting older. Aren't we? Either? We're getting older everybody else's catching us one of the two you WANNA. Feel old I. Have Two kids Mike No no, you don't I know you don't because that that woman is a same thing to even you know procreate with you so. A couple memories I wanted to share I. Don't know if you remember these these stuck out to me number one is we were going on the road somewhere I can't remember where we were flying, but we need to get to the airport and I don't know how this ended up happening but we were going to go in my car, and at the time I drove a four cylinder Subaru Impreza and you're like, no, it's going your car. So me you Liam. I think Greenie was there piled on my car and you wanted to drive and we made a forty five minute drive for ESPN two Bradley airport in like a half hour. Yeah. Listen I'm so used to that. Dr Having to Hustle a lot of times from the show and I have an eleven ten flight sometimes on the show ends at ten that I would get out by ten and get there by ten, thirty, ten, thirty, five. So I knew I guess errand time. But what you don't know when we got there I got out of the car and looked at Liam and said I didn't know my car could move like that. Well it was either going to go faster was going to break down one of the two we had to make the flight. Or Yeah, we had to get there in time. Yeah and we did because you're insane person and drive like crazy men on. The other story I remember is there was a day I don't remember the exact story, but it was something involving Ben Rothlisberger going on and it was everywhere and we wanted to talk about it but the news editors ESPN couldn't confirm the story. So want us to talk about it but then we found out that the Pittsburgh affiliate ESPN affiliate was able to talk about it and I just remember you getting the news editor on the phone and unleashing on that. Was On the other end of that phone line you know and I guess with AIDS comes I. Guess you calm down because I think about those kind of things. I just have to realize that person was doing their job as well. But at the time, it never made sense to me because it happens a lot and I know ESPN being thorough and making sure that the story. Is Rights don't come out with anything wrong. But when you see coming out of different outlets are losing your mind like we're a national show you're not letting US talk about this. It's the biggest thing going on now. So yeah, it was very aggravating. But when you take a step back, they're probably right except when you're in the moment that I know they're wrong and I'm right. Well. I was happy because I was screaming from the rooftops that we should talk about it but. You know people always ask me and even now it's been years since I worked on the show. But people always ask me are greening goal look really like that and I say, yeah, they really are go is the guy who's upstairs in his cubicle using the recycle bin is a pillow. I I spent a lot of times in that Cuba Coz at hang around and do nfl live and then get ready to college game. So I, spend a lot of time there. So I had to get comfortable and actuality the trash can set the right way on the growl was actually kind of spongy and was pretty comfortable, but I can't complain. All right. Let's stop with the reminiscent Goto a little on the field stuff. The first thing I want to ask you buckle because this mean the situation that just came down on Thursday the NFL pushing the steelers and titans to an unknown date because of Covid nineteen you played in the NFL, would you have played this season if you were in the League right now? Oh. Yeah. Definitely. What if your wife and I actually talked about that? And as we see, you know I actually more players. Out Than I thought were going to opt out and everybody is a different situation. You know you you had opt outs for reasons of families, reasons of of Health for the personally or for somebody in your family and I understand all that my wife and I talked about it. We will we weren't in this situation, but we still kind of were thinking. About what would we do in? My wife was the same as me she said I would've said I would've told you to go play even even but even if that meant not seeing them for a few months, you only get so many years in playing and she said you need to take advantage of that. Now in this case, tickets go home every day. To their families and they take so many precautions at the facilities that's were it doesn't worry me at the facility. What worries me is when the players go home, what happens there and what do they bring back then to the facility but even in the facility you're in masks and stuff and I know sometimes players are giving a little accident but we saw the raiders went to a charity of had their mass off for a little while it's just you have to be a constant reminder that you have to do things the right way if you WanNa make it through the season this is the first hiccup we saw a hiccup in baseball right out of the gate. We see hiccups all the time obviously in college football going through that and that's going to continue to happen. We hadn't seen one in football. Not We do. Now we'll see what kind of effect it's going to have or if they can contain it, you know and make this be kind of an exception and not a rule. That's the thing that worries me because baseball was able to get by because they were able to schedule a bunch of double headers well, now, they can't do that and luckily it seems Like this situation will work itself out assuming everything is contained because we can swaps and by weeks and weeks seven and eight, and it's sort of it's a tidy little clean up that they can do. But if this happens again or with multiple teams, I, don't know what the NFL is going to be able to do to make up any games that could be missed well I. mean that's a that's what this whole season was big if right if this happens or that happens, and then you just Kinda Cross you. Cross, your fingers, and hope it doesn't and you really cross them in anything outside the bubble the bubble sports hockey soccer WNBA NBA worked great. You know. But everything outside you kept your fingers crossed and we still do or still keeping our fingers crossed baseball's making through well now they're in the postseason there in the the just the to select cities kind of like hockey did but for football both college and pro, it's every week you kinda. Hold your breath and it cannot be your fault what Pittsburgh got caught up in it. Look last week. I was supposed to call the Notre Dame wake forest game wake forest. You know they had no positives but because Notre Dame did now they're forced to to have to postpone that game until December twelfth. So same with the steelers now through no fault of their own, they now have to work around some schedules and you're right this time. It can be a nice tidy finish but what happens if and that's what they always have to be ready for you have to be ready for the contingencies and the worst case scenarios to hopefully have some kind of a plan. And what really stinks for the steelers is this might end up in their bye week. The thing is they practiced yesterday and they practiced today too. So if you're supposed to have your bye week in your practicing through most of the week, it's not really a week off you have to take what it calms. You listen to what might variable was saying if they were going to play. This game Monday or Tuesday variable. Hey, we have to play it. We all knew what we signed up for this year was going to be a different year because if it was going to happen that way getting back in their facility until Saturday which meant their prep days Wednesday Thursday Friday there were all zoom at all on their own how the hell you get ready for games like that. It's a year like we have never seen and I have a feeling I hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling. This is just the beginning like I said hopefully, I'm wrong. Let's just assume going forward that this is going to be worked out. So now I can get to some forty nine years eagles questions espionage in presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to. Get you through the grind of the NFL season with your favorite espy nation community leaders. You'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert, analysis, fantasy, football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the SBA, nation. NFL. Show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. I, I moved to ask you eagles questions because I know you look Urine Eagles as far as I'm concerned you're you'll always be an eagle, but they got some problems right now Mike and starts with Carson Wentz he has been horrible. He's been horrible. The offensive line has been horrible. All mean let's nobody's when when you're losing all your games, you're not pointing to one person everybody's gotta look in the Mirror. No doubt about it I didn't like the way the game ended last week I think I. should have tried to kick the field goal. But you know they did. So when you don't have a win, there's a lot of lot of blame to go around and we know the quarterback always takes a lot of blame and listen Carson deserves a lot of it but a hell of a lot of people do as well. There's a hell of a lot of people not doing their job right now for the Eagles and this is what I don't understand I've seen Carson Wentz be really good and I know Doug Peterson is a really good coach. I don't understand how it could be going this badly I know they're banged up but. At the key spots, they have good people there I'm completely stunned that this is where we are I the two teams I'm stunned. I'm son by this both offensively, and defensively they got a hell of an expensive defensive line in Philly phillies well and I've also been sunlight Minnesota. We expected more out of Minnesota as well. You know the questions occurred cousin Lola time I get it, but their defense has been let down so. I think the two most. Teams medium on the downside dish for. The heels and so now the forty niners are banged up to just like the Eagles God or the forty niners banged up. Do, you think that considering what we saw from the niners backups last week that they can sort of survive this sort of injury wave here and righted until they get healthy I mean listen they don't have a choice. This is what has to happen but every year every year stats, there's Commanche team and this year's the forty niners back to back games at metlife I know people are complaining about the turf I know some players from other teams at starting to. Speak out say they want all the fields that go back to grass I don't know if that's ever going to happen but this year the forty niners out the mass shooting at very important positions as well. Some obviously like Bosa which are not getting back. So that's the big question every year it's next man up what your depth look like and what you're trying to do when you have injuries like this is you try and keep your head above water to go. Tubing. While you're getting your guys stat. Yeah. The division is incredible. Russell Wilson is just. Everything in its path right now. I. DO think it's funny when when you hear guys complain about the turf I know the turf you played on goal and it wasn't what these guys have listened. Yeah. I'm all for player safety and listen things are different today than they were when I played. Yeah. But we played on either natural grass or carpet on concrete. So I mean that's that's just what it was I mean and that's what we dealt with and you know what? Over time and through the Union. And everything we were able to get rid. Of, it also just through the evolution of the fact that you could, you could actually produce better stuff that didn't have and the upkeep to it like the synthetic grass we have right now But yeah, I'm not going to sit there and say all of these guys aren't very tough. I'm not going to do that because you know if if in fact you're figuring out that this stuff is is causing injuries then you need to change it. Now I haven't seen enough I don't know enough about it to know that these are causing injuries I certainly know. That, we played on caused injuries without question. For, guys even have to be hit to get hurt on that astroturf but you know I it's like I said, new era now differ grasser playing. But if you find out that too many injuries are happening happening on it. Then you know you you gotta do something about it. If in fact, that's going to be the case you did mention the division and so I, have to ask you about the seahawks because my only saving grace as a forty niner fan against the seahawks was maybe Pete Carroll will just make them run the ball enough that the forty. Niners can find a way to win a close game. Now, the Carol seem to realize that Russell Wilson is good. I think the forty niners might be in trouble a division I think the forty nine Argon I think everybody is I think Seattle those Seattle's defense hasn't been all that great at this point they have five sacks and I think at least two of them have come from Jamal Adams Safety. So they need more pressure by that D. Line so but offensively I mean my God what Russell Wilson's doing and I think they're actually playing to his strengths now. Something that hadn't done in the past. So if that's the case right now I think a lot of people are going to be in trawl. Two. More Questions One how the hell does Russell Wilson complete every D- pass Heathrow's when no one else in the NFL seems to be able to do that with any consistency. It is amazing. Tony does a lot of it on the road, which is just stunning to me and boy will he metcalf are really really hooking up right now that guy that guy is just a frequent he's doing right now it is amazing what he's they're getting a decent running game, but that isn't even one of them. Warm press things to me is he can do it on the run as well as in the pocket. Do you believe that this is a guy that is never He hasn't had great season before has never gotten one mvp never vote let alone the award and right now I know it's way too early but there's no doubt he's favorite right now I think so too because I think everybody is now aware of that and so it's almost going to be like a makeup year like we had. Exactly. Exactly right. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes is sitting there like I don't even grow incompletions I know everybody's talking about in Seattle Patrick homes is going to get the Michael Jordan nutrition of being great every year and being you know not being the MVP every how many more times Jordan one? Yeah. That's great. I hate that Guy Hang Patrick Mahomes can't lose enough for me after breaking my heart. I just want to thank you Mike I. Appreciate Your Time. I try not to ask you for a ton of stuff since I left the show because I know you're busy man but I really appreciate you jumping on with me and when are we going to see you back with your own show again because I know it's going to happen sooner or later that's the question I mean right now I'll continue doing the gains I'm under contract with the SPN until the end of. The year. So I asked him if I could call college games as I love doing it and they're having me do it. So I'm very happy to be doing it and then once the new year hits and the contract runs out, then we'll just kind of wait and see what happens. We'll see your where I'll end up to kind of on doing at that point. So you know what you're going ready. Okay. Cool. I. Wish I wish if you got any other. Leads. Let me know I I'll keep that in mind Mike thank you so much. I really appreciate the time you gotTA stats. No problem. Thanks again to go for taking the time to catch up a little bit. That's GonNa do it for this edition of the niners nation. PODCAST. I'm rob stats career. Please if you like what you hear rate review and subscribe we like far sal reviews but nobody. Bats a thousand. Okay. 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The John Lund Show, Ep. 1 - Five players to watch in camp

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The John Lund Show, Ep. 1 - Five players to watch in camp

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John Lund show here on the niners nation Hod cast network will put together a mailbag weekly today on the podcast, a Lotta things to get to. The first few days of camp. The five most important players in camp, which by the way are subject to change explain George, Gidell's contract and why it's great for the forty niners and kittle here from Kyle Shanahan George Kibble and John Lynch along the lines of that contract who's next on the forty niners free agent list. Yes. Who already jumping ahead to that John Lynch will address that I camp notes for you injuries. What's important? What's not who's flash so far who didn't and before I get to all of that first and foremost your this is the camp philosophy to live fight. I am a reporter and a talk show host. So I need content the beat writers out there they've got to write about something when you go out to camp basically your editors tell you we need to play a player of the day all those different things. Now, Camp Philosophy is this. We don't know what's really going on. All right. We have never had less access to the players than we do with in nineteen training camps. The vets aren't going one hundred percent. We don't know how many times that play has been run. Maybe the defense, all the sudden has gotten sick of it and they jump that Oh Jimmy Garoppolo got intercepted in return for a touchdown speaking of Jimmy. Garoppolo here's two good examples on my camp philosophy of don't believe anything in the only thing to worry about is injuries. Don't worry about anything except for injuries. That's camp philosophy a year ago last Friday on my show on Kamiar. We were talking about Jimmy Garoppolo throwing five interceptions in Denver during a practice. Then he followed that up with a game in which he played Denver and his. quarterback rating that day was Karski from animals zero point zero everyone panicked everyone freaked out last I checked Jimmy Garoppolo coming off a major knee injury and the first season that he's ever been a sixteen game starter in his NFL career. He led the forty niners to the Super Bowl. So last year we were freaking out and camp he took the team to the Super Bowl. Now would you have liked for him to hit that Emmanuel Sanders Pass yes. Would you have liked for him to play better? In. The fourth quarter. Yes. But Jimmy Garoppolo did pretty well, and last year everyone freaked out over the Denver practice everyone freaked out over the Tar Ski Zero Point Zero it worked out just fine we have to as reporters do camp stats. I hate him but you do camp stats because we believe them up people click on it. It's just the way it goes another example Marcus rush led the NFL in preseason sacks four years ago with the forty niners yet eight in four games didn't make the team. It not saying that camp is an important. They are obviously, you're missing games. So it's not about that but camp stats are dumb coaches lie. I'll do the best I can in the podcast to cut through everything I know people will tell me the truth I'm down there but just know this everything else is irrelevant about training camp except for injuries doesn't matter how many interceptions with thrown doesn't really matter who looks good who flashes those things happen all the time. there. There are scrimmages things are I'm not saying that it's not important at all Brennan UK's so far. We'll get into this in the podcast. Today has looked really really good in zoo meanings and on the field there is some truth to it, but it's like spring training. If you watch baseball, I don't know WHO's working on their fastball I don't know WHO's working on a new pitch I. Don't know what veterans trying to what he's doing this change of. A hitter is doing is he tried to go up as you work on that. That's what spring training in baseball is about. It's the same thing in training camp I don't know WHO's working back from injury I. Don't know who's feeling is good. I don't know what Kyle Shanahan is trying to accomplish offensively defensively how many times defense or offense is seen as certain play. So we have to cover the team this way, but the philosophy is very, very simple nothing else matters except for injuries saint with me nothing else matters except for injuries along those same along that Front Kyle Shanahan today. This. If you haven't heard Jalen Hurd who a lot of buzz around Jalen her third round pick out of Baylor last year had been running back at Tennessee. Six foot four, two, hundred, thirty pounds came into camp looking like it looking like Mr Universe and last year he broke his back. He had a preseason game in which he scored a touchdown. Everybody was happy with Jalen Hurd everyone is excited. In the off season, Kyle Shanahan was talking about what a chesapeake. That Jalen Hurd could be, and now it looks like Jalen Hurd has blown out his knee on the first day of training camp. Here's Kyle. Shanahan. We haven't gotten the result yet I mean it's all the ACO's reported today. That's will be surprised if it's not. So happened yesterday he's at them right now but it's pretty unfortunate thing form. The guys we know what he went through last year with his back and The guys worked as hard as anyone on our team to get back in for him to get hurt before he actually got to go out there and just a freak thing on air cutting really felt bad for the guy looks like an ACL for Jalen Hurd he would be out for the year. I'll tell you in the five most important players in camp what the wide receiver position is like right now in fact, let's get to it. It is time for the five most important players in camp quarterbacks do it goes without? Saying that Jimmy is number one on the list or quarterbacks for any team. All right my quarterback philosophy you can't talk about the quarterback too much can't somebody you're talking about the quarterback too much you can't every offensive possession. He has the ball in his hands every single day. Now look if you read a wildcat or something. Okay but he can't talk about the quarterback too much. So I like Jimmy he needs to be better he was good but the fourth quarter in the Super Bowl will always stick with them until the forty niners. One one that's just what it is. But as I said, he's coming off a knee injury. It was his first season starting. He's still got plenty of time. Yes. He's wearing a brace. That seems to be big news Jimmy. told me he came into where a camp last year. Jimmy told me and camp last year he was probably GonNa, wear a brace whether he need it or not the rest of his career. It's a titanium brace. It's very light. So. If you see Jimmy wearing a brace or somebody's writing about Jimmy wearing a brace he's not hurt. It's not a mental thing. He just has grown used to it and he's probably going to wear a brace as long as he plays. All right quarterback done. He is not one of the five most important in camp, but it goes without saying that quarterback always is. In no particular order driven Kim Law they traded Buckner for the thirteenth pick and after move back to fourteen with Tampa this is who they got von Kin Law. The forty niners will put pads on Monday. So we're going to get a better sense of just where Kinloch is, but I know this from sitting in and a lot of forty niners zoom meetings this off season. The phrase that keeps coming up is how big of a man von Kinloch is now buckner was bigger that's what you're saying you. Yourself would wait a minute buckner was big. was about six, six, three, hundred he was about to ninety. Really he was streamline he was thinner. He wasn't the plugger that kin law is and I'm not saying he's a plugger but. When you get Dj Jones and Devan Kin Law. I think that you're going to have a more stout running defense and we saw in the super bowl that while everybody was so worried about the Kansas City passing game that chiefs offset everything with the running game and. Kim Law is gonNA help with that. So Kinloch, in Jones, inside DJ Jones coming back from injury that would be great if they could pressure the quarterback of Kinloch combustive quarterback that's going to be a bonus but this first year if he plugs it up inside plays, well, he is a massive man just massive arms massive legs he's very thick, but he's very athletic as well. He's listening about six, five, three, twenty, six. So that's Thuban kin law he is number one on my list here is Kyle Shanahan on kin. Law and a little bit I you because I'm GonNa get into receivers next I mean you know we haven't been around each other at tons. We all get here and everyone's GonNa look at the first round picks I. So you know Ken Lan euchre probably guys the players are watching more trying to judge how they are, and these guys came in working their tails off. So we have been here that long so I'm not just going to say it's a finished product. You know we've got to keep doing that. And keep working. But both of those guys of come in fallen right in line in a really helps You know how the rest of our team is you know we we didn't get as many team meetings when we started and we go out to walk through and everything and to not have to address a lot of people on how hard we go in the rookies kind just fall in line because they watch everyone else doing it So if if you come in slacking around you you. Look pretty out of place Usually, a lot of the players are going to get you before even a coach Stu and when you have a guy like Kim Lawn Uku come in and the players are probably expecting to tell them, you got to turn it on a little bit. This is in college when you don't have to tell guys like that it is impressive they are working right away. So they do seem like a pro today was the first practice. We've got a long way to go. On the key will be keeping that up. There's kind of Shanahan talking about the two rookies in Japan kin law and Brandon I. You'll see you'll know this about me during the podcast break into stories a lot as I was listening to kyle there it kicked something in my head, which is strange because there's a lot rattling around in there, which is the I do the pre game in the post game with Dennis Brown he's a super bowl champion with the forty niners and and when Dennis Brown came in, he came onto a super bowl team, and so he had a bunch of veteran guys Charles Haley was around. Richard Dent was around the year that he came in a lot of veteran players Ronnie. Lott was around and there was he. He's told me many stories that there was a certain way that you had to conduct yourself. You were a winner, the forty niners expected to play at a certain level. There wasn't I'm a rookie that didn't exist and what you're hearing from Kyle Shanahan right there is there is again a certain level that you have to come into Brandon Euch you're replacing Emmanuel Sanders. There's no, there's no you're rookie so we'll give you a break. It's Emmanuel Sanders and more is what the standard is. You got to be high as high or higher than that same thing with John, Kinloch Europe placing deforest buckner he was a second team all pro. It doesn't matter that you're a rookie you've gotta come and play well, all right number two wide receivers in general the most important five most important players in camp wide receivers in general play. This Blah Blah along with me on this, tell me the starting three wide receivers in week one I'm GONNA assume for a minute and I'm gonNA. Let you hear from. Kyle Shanahan in just a second let's assume for just a second. The depot is out because Jones fractures that tricky. So you say you born in Taylor Trent Taylor came back. This weekend was really really good someone to put Trent Taylor in the slot along with born, who's the return with is the leading outside receiver returning for the forty niners and Brandon is. The first round pick. So then I could say Pettus Tavon Austin and John Jennings who a lot of people think. Is I'm not gonNA say a carbon copy of what Jalen Hurd brains because Jalen Hurd runs in the four five three range one of the reasons or the reason that John Jennings a rookie at a Tennessee. The seventh round pick dropped in the draft is that he was about about four seven two, but it can do a lot of things that Jalen Hurd could do mismatch in the slot mismatch put them at. Different places. That's what John Jennings brings to the table to me. Richie James is clearly on the bubble and he's got a broken wrist right now ads von Osten to the mix, add a veteran jj Nelson to the mix could add Ron Brown formerly the seahawks and cardinals to the mix as well. So that's what's going on as far as the receivers. Now, one of the recently picked up that's could start. When thinking about the wide receivers, this is what you have to remember when it comes to Kyle. He values maximizing play when he draws up a place told me this when he draws up a play, are you consistently maximizing what he thinks that plays worth that's one number two you've got to be able to block Kyle Shannon's offense. A lot of people think he's throwing the ball over the place they run the ball first. So if you're an outside receiver and you can't block, you're going to be docked for that. That's just the way Kyle Shanahan is, and thirdly like most NFL coaches. Kyle Shanahan has. Little patience if you're going to drop the ball if you're gonNA fumble the ball, those are the kinds of things that he puts at the top of list as far as his wide receiver. So my guess is. Who is good both mentally and physically, and you'll hear more from Kyle Shanahan later on in the podcast about him Kendrick born has looked even better in the off season. He's worked really hard cow Shanahan has mentioned his name a lot and again, Trent Taylor is coming back. Now he's at injuries and you know my philosophy and and injuries he said some injuries but right now, Trent Taylor looks very good. You born on the outside Taylor to start in. Week. One Jennings I think is GonNa make this team now that Jalen Hurd is out and a battle between the vets in Nelson and Austin I think Dante Bettas time has come I think that he gets moved. He's never gotten back out of Kyle Shanahan's Doghouse in the thing the reason why they drafted Dante Pettis out of Washington in the first place was because of his special teams abilities, he said NCWA record for kick and punt returns as far as. TOUCHDOWNS, they don't trust him back there, and that was his main value coming aboard. He hasn't progressed as a wide receiver I think Paddock's gets moved one way or the other James gets cut again in the Super Bowl they were not happy with Richie James and his kick returns I. think There are other guys on the roster who might be able to fill in those duties. So there you go that's the wide receiver position one of the five most important layers. In camp but I cheated I gave you the whole wide receiver core which I'll have my eye on. I told you I'd update you on the status of Deebo Samuel. Actually. Kyle. Shanahan will update you on the status of Deebo Samuel but I didn't think it was possible that Samuel would be back for week one I'm working out on the side over the weekend and Monday during practices but Kyle Shanahan while bad news Jalen, Hurd good news potentially on Deebo Samuel. I mean the way I kinda see in my mind. I think we're hoping for week one. Not Counting on it. But I think that's kind of the area that these injuries usually he'll by but a lot of it has to do are you ready to play? Are you as fully healed by that time? Are you in football shape which it's deal is going to do everything can to be in shape it's hard to be in football shape until you can play football So how many practices do we get them in here before Arizona So that's all going play, but I'm hoping for week one. But not sure yet slow too early I would be shocked if it was week one most organizations in the forty niners this way. If. It's close although Arizona's a big game in Arizona you may be kind of chuckling but remember Arizona gave the forty niners to really tough games I mean cuyler Murray is going to be better. They love to have deebo back I just don't think they'll rush him back at all given a so many injuries to skill position players over the last couple years. Shannon. Surprise me a little bit. They're talking about even a possibility for Deebo in week one if that's the case, then it's deebo hopefully, it's I. You we keep hearing really good things about both mentally and physically he's looked really good in camp which I'll tell you about more in just a second. He's a really good in camp. And Kyle said that he's done really wellness zoom meetings as well. So they go wide receivers Brandon Euch. As. We're giving you the five most important players camp. Let's go to speak any injuries jerick McKinnon if you can't remember McKinnon and Minnesota no-one blame you I'm not sure if he still has the four three ish speed, he's been out for two seasons. Now he's at issues obviously with the knee but if he's right and I've talked to a lot of people within the forty niners and they think he is the forty niners another we just talked about mismatch player most certainly I coleman. I think they split first and second down and the Mckinnon could come in and he can be an ideal third down back in Kyle. Shanahan He runs outside a wide receiver. He blocks way above average in pass protection he's a matchup advantage of he still has that speed, which is another kyle thing matchups look at all these different matchups he can throw all sorts of different types of players on the field and mckinney would be that way so far in camp, and again it's early Saturday Sunday. Monday the. One on the pads but he was lining up in slot as well as in the backfield. He's that good of a receiver coming out of the backfield. So that is jerk MacKinnon MacKinnon was one of the guys that spoke on Sunday to the media here's what Jerick McKinnon the jet says about what it feels like being back those good is getting back out there. And Count you know got back before did the walk throughs you know everything's just been you know. You. So so good and so well, it's been with the teammates the coaches for me. It's been a long time a long time coming and You know just to be back out down the fill up doing all the small things little things. Definitely feel blessed in Just happened to be back in the situation that I am today Jerick McKinnon. Again sounds good. My again, I keep giving you philosophies, but this'll be good I'm trying to give it. It's Kinda like setting up a movie right you'll know that you can't talk about the quarter the quarterback too much. You'll know what it means when somebody starts taking stats in the camp what our philosophy is that I want you to adopt about. About camp another philosophy with injured players Jalen Hurd is on this list for me. Jerick. McKinnon is on this list for me Trent Taylor is on this list for me for as good as this offense was a year ago they have all these different types of different offensive skill weapons that could be coming back and I'm excited about him. Just like your probably excited about them but injured players get injured Jerick McKinnon since he's become. A forty has always been injured. So my philosophy on that is they've got some great running backs and he is different. He can really be a great Jerick McKinnon a great third down back but Jerick. McKinnon. All I've known of Jerick. McKinnon is a forty niners is injury. So if you're injured Jason Barrett goes onto this list as well the corner that has been on the forty niners for for a couple years and he. Hasn't been able to get things together. Those guys are bonuses to me. You can't rely mckinney and you can't rely on you can't rely on heard can't rely on Taylor until they prove they can stay healthy. This is obviously a brutal game. So I want Jerick McKinnon to be healthy I. mean courage by the reports of Jerick McKinnon. But until I see Jerick McKinnon actually on the field running routes running with the ball staying healthy. Making, sure he's not wearing sleeve or anything on his knee. So I'm sure it's fine for him. I'm simply saying that as a fan or as somebody who's covering the team, I would look at Jerk McKinnon is a bonus. He's bonus guy he's not a guy where I say okay I'm relying on Jerick McKinnon because you can't rely injured players because what do we injured players? Do they get hurt? Let's face it. The weeks are feeling really really long right now we could all use a little distraction. So listen to the distraction podcast. Hosted by former deadspin writers Drew Gary David Roth The distraction is a new podcast about sports from defector and stitcher. Each week the guys in their guests will break down what happened on and off the field whether it's NBA players getting testy on the court and Weird on instagram or horrifying takes from sports talk radio that need to be eviscerated. Whatever the drama drew and Rothley ready to serve you the hot takes you need to stay distracted from well everything. 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Along the way they forge their own halves to reclaim their power and find their true selves. lovecraft country explores the themes of family race in history taking viewers to unexpected new places in time or space in each episode. Starring Jonathan Majors jorritsma-lebnik Courtney, Vance and Michael Kenneth. Williams lovecraft country Air Sundays at nine PM ON HBO in streaming on Hbo Max. And listened to the lovecraft country companion podcast hosted by Shannen Houston and Ashley Ford available on all major podcast black. All right number four on the list of five most important players that watching a camp obviously the cornerback opposite Richard Sherman. I just mentioned Jason Brett. He's creating buzz again but variet- was a pro bowler in two thousand fifteen. He's in exactly six games. The last four years if you didn't know, that's not good. He played one game last year we got hop for bi then he got beat for a touchdown. Shut down for the rest of the year. Now He's twenty nine. So we still young enough, but he's got an injury history, and as I told you what my philosophy is. Witherspoon to me the corner opposite Sherman Right. Now the competition is Witherspoon or Moseley Emmanuel Moseley, and killer witherspoon that's it. Now, Jason Verita gets involved in it because he can be healthier shows he can be healthy. Then that's fine. Then put him in the picture but right now he's a bonus I. He's a mystery he's twenty nine years old. So he's still young enough but with an injury history like that you, he just has to base a it's a surprise. Oh, he's back. Okay. So I'm not going to count on him yet a killer weatherspoon and Emmanuel Moseley Witherspoon physically as everything the forty niners are looking for in a corner. He's six, three, two, hundred pounds. He's long he's athletic the problem with a killer witherspoon is his mentality. A corner has to have a mentality of oh well, I just got burnt I'm GonNa go back out there that guy just beat me. I'M GONNA go back out there he lets it get to them. Emmanuel. Moseley on the other side is had has had to fight as a free agent come up in the NFL he's five eleven, one, eighty five, but he's a bulldog type of player. So Mentally Emmanuel Moseley is a little bit better but again, he's not that big. He's Feisty I think Moseley wins the spot variet- coming up on the outside if he can be healthy also watched two, thousand, nineteen, th round pick Tim Harris. He's listed at six one, two, hundred, five pounds missed last season with an injury I'll be honest with and again this another philosophy of mine I haven't seen Tim Harris play a whole lot. I saw some youtube videos when he got drafted. I've heard some buzz from from some of the scouts with the forty niners. I can't give you a full blown description I. think it's GonNa be great because I don't know. So I'm not going to tell you what Tim is going to be. I'm just telling you he's got the size that the forty niners covet and he was drafted last year he might be a guy who could get into it as can't progressive. So it's another gotta keep an eye thirty five and finally number five, five guys somebody watching at Camp Trent Williams. Trump. Williams. Just turned thirty two If he's as good as ever then you got your left tackle and he's protecting Jimmy Garoppolo the put on Monday. So what you WanNa Watch or when you want to watch four is Nick Bosa taken on trump Williams remember last can't last year's camp where Joe. Daily. And Nick Bosa went at it, and then they kind of compared no Senate made Nick Bosa. batters rookie I think that's going to be a great thing. I think having a guy as athletic as Trento excuse me Trent Williams. Williams owns a gym if he can. In fact I have this at John. Radio on my twitter feed I have a picture of Trent Williams and he's got the sleeves cut off a press conference city did last week. He's got the biggest arms of ever seen on a man. He can jump up onto those boxes I. Mean it's ridiculous for a guy that's like three hundred, twenty pounds. He's six, six, three, twenty it's ridiculous the kind of athleticism that that this guy so I put them. At number five, not that I have a question on him because there's a lot of people asking, you can still play. He sat out a year. Are you kidding? He's one of the most athletic big guys. You'll ever see he played in this offense with the Shanahan's he wanted to come here. The only question will be at the end of the season and we'll talk about this a little bit. Later when we get into George kills contract, the only question is, can they keep him around long-term? He's an elite left tackle. He's top five. You might be top three. He might be top one, but he fits in the offense his athleticism. I. Love. Joe Staley Joe Staley was on my radio show for three years. It was a weekly thing I think the world of Joe Staley as a person as a player, but Trent Williams is going to be better. It's as as that. All right. Those are the five players I'm watching and five things. Five most important players in camp. I gave you qb philosophy. I gave you giovane kid La Brandon. Euch. Wide Receivers in general Jerick McKinnon the corner, opposite Sherman, and Trent Williams. Those are the five most important players in camp and that is subject to change. John Lund show on the niners nation podcast network remember search niners nation where you get your favorite podcasts following John Lund radio. Remember if you have questions, comments, any of those kinds of things in the podcast make sure you get him to me throughout the week number two. Of things we must discuss this week George Gidell's contract why it works for both sides. It's a great deal for the forty niners kindle as you well know he's a unicorn, he blocks he catches he's a team leader he keeps everybody loose and the deal was always going to get done. So last week when a lot of people were saying that they were far apart and how could you how could you you got a wide receiver over here Amara is making twenty million bucks in Austin who brought his deal he's making eleven million bucks. He's a wide receivers and offensive tackle. He's he's all these different things the whole time and I'm rarely right. So I'm going to grow and I'm right. The whole time I thought to myself Lamar. Cooper's making twenty, million a year and Austin Hooper's making eleven million dollars a year. That's thirty one million dollars I'm horrible at math. That's about fifteen point five, million for the middle ground. Guess what is average annual value which is what? is is average annual values. Fifteen million dollars. That's we thought it comes down to guarantees thirty million bucks forty million bucks for injury. All becomes the middle ground for that. So it's good for the forty niners think about it like this. The amount of guaranteed money thirty, million dollars the George. biddle gap. Was the same amount that or about the same amount that Jarvis Landry got average annual value of the contract. Jarvis Landry is at fifteen point two, million George kills at fifteen million who'd you rather have Jarvis Landry or George kibble that's a great deal for the forty niners. It's a great deal for George Kiddo. Austin Hooper makes eleven million dollars year ten million in bonuses, George got, thirty million. Dollars in bonuses and Jordan's GonNa make fifteen year. So George got what he wants, which is he resets tight end market. The forty niners get what they want because for the price of Jarvis Landry who's a good not great wide receiver they get George Biddle who's the best tight end in the? That's a good deal for the niners. That's a good deal for George kill fifth rounder gets generational money fifteen, million dollars a year. By the way I'll get. I'll give you a question here and then we're gonNA hear from from John. Lynch George Kill and we have cal Shanahan in that no. One's going to hear from George cadle and John Lynch on the contract. After these I want you to think about this but not look it up. There's the Brady six, which is famous obviously quarterbacks drafted before Tom Brady there is now the kittle eight that's right and the two thousand, eighteen NFL draft. There were eight ends drafted before George biddle who were they I'll tell you in a minute. Here's John Lynch on getting the deal done I knew we were dealing with some interesting dynamics there and I knew as a result, it would be a challenge and. There there never was a challenge in terms of The like mindedness. The shared motivation to get it done. It was just fine where where is that spot? Because you know typically those things these things kind of fall right into place here we had to kind of create that and that it therein lies the challenge and. I JUST WANNA. Thank first of all George and his family for their patients throughout it, I obviously WanNa, thank the your family for making all possible and Jack back did a tremendous job. It wasn't. An easy negotiation. Everyone, stayed. Positive Resolute through the whole thing that we were gonNA find a way to get it done and we did that and that makes everyone. Happy. John. Lynch told a great story. Off of off of Mike. So that was a zoom call with the the media. He told a story about how he was a safety and the safety position was undervalued in for about twenty four hours. He was the highest paid safety until Brian Doc came along and got paid higher. So John Lynch is going into this and a lot of people when John Lynch was hired with no front office experience came out of the booth at Fox and a lot of people said, well, what could he possibly know about contracts getting deals done? Well, he was a guy at an undervalue position safety. and He tried to alter the safety position. Now obviously, he didn't set that safety position like George George, kill set the tight end position, but he knew something about it. So obviously when he was talking to his agent Jack Becton, that's who John Lynch references in that cut he knows something about it and he could go to him and say Look I. Understand about resetting the market I'm not saying that the deal was easy to get done. But when you look at receivers when you look at tight end, you could meet somewhere in the middle and then Oh, by the way Travis Kelsey gotta deal done he should send George Kid some money or steak or something like that, and Zach Ertz is going to get. A deal done there is well speaking of setting the market. Here's George. Kettle on resetting the tight end market I think it's a step in the right direction I think overall. You know titans are occasionally forgot about her you know not advertise enough and I think the fact that you know guys are exploding through the ceiling was set. Um You know with. Me Travis Calcio fantastic. New Deal on earth is about to get one and the guys that are just blowing through that. It's just it's fun to see you know I think titans will just continue to prove that you know worth lots of the team and I'm just thankful that the niners organization You know believe in me that opportunity. Now here's here's something that was important and really wasn't reported a lot was reported wasn't discussed a lot as far as the George Kendall deal was concerned. He never said that he had set a deadline or wouldn't sign or he didn't WanNa talk about it during the season but he certainly wanted to get the deal done here's George. Kennel talking about getting the deal done. So he can focus on football that was a big part of it just wanted to get it done. You know have some security you know just no. Now I'm going to a football field and Now have any worries about anything I'll have to worry about getting an injured i. don't worry about anything just go out there and focus on football, which is no. I've best job in the world I get paid play football on on. No. Now I'm taking care of in my family's taken care of Noggin just focus on that to worry about money out the word about anything else I can just. Go out there and play football and run through someone's face and I'm really excited about that and I love the last part I want to run through someone's face. I, wish I could run through someone's face. I'm just too small just never been big enough to run through somebody's face finally here is John Lynch a lot of work to be done. This is going to be you think it was. A lot of work to be done and the floor of the salary cap because of covid nineteen and not having any fans and revenue will be down. The floor for next year's one, hundred, seventy, five, million dollars, which means that the CAP could go down twenty to twenty, five million dollars or even more. Here's John Lynch on what's next for the forty niners is far as signing free agents. So now I think we go back to the drawing board and start prioritizing and looking at you know when people are coming do and just like we always do looking three three years outlook in two years out and so thinking about the president always thinking about the future you know it's GonNa. Be Tough but the forty niners I will say this one of the reasons why they've been so good is because parague Murat. Day who is they're their cap guy and there's a number of different guys in the front offices that are the bean counters in count the numbers and those kinds of things I think they'll get it done but they get killed done. He's kind of base of the house both on and off the field he's a he's a leader. He keeps things lose he's a he's a he's a very good leader despite his twenty seven years old and of course, we all know what he can do on the football field but Trent Williams, they didn't get him for just one year at left tackle makes thirteen point six Laremy, Tunsil signed deal for twenty, two, million dollars at thirty. Two next year thirty, three, I don't think he's going to get that kind of money but he's going need money Richard Sherman's a free agent, a killer weatherspoon across from him as a free agent both potentially you're starting corners but specifically, Sherman are going to be free agents. Your Your Slot Corner K. Juan Williams who's vastly underrated get to an injury on him in a minute. He's a free agent in the offseason DJ, Jones in the middle that defensive tackle he's a free agent in the off season. So there's a lot of work for the forty niners to do. This is just the start of it, but obviously great to get George Kittles Deal Don, it's John. Lund show on the niners nation podcast network remember to search niners nation where you get your favorite podcasts and make sure you follow me at John Lund radio all right. Let me give you a camp update I the good Jerk Mckinnon who we heard from today. Happy to be back lined up in the slot. This weekend in the backfield looked fast did have a run up the middle on Sunday but again, he looked this way two years ago but in the good column so far the first couple of days a camp jerick McKinnon the forty niners always seem to find running backs out of nowhere the latest could be a guy at Baylor Michael Hasty undrafted. Look, good in passing drills to another thing. Again, with a cow Shanahan offense, you gotta be able to do it all out of the backfield and other small quick guy about five eight, zero, five at eight, hundred eleven, purpose yards and seven touchdowns his senior year at Baylor four, five, five, forty at the combine and if you look at the history. Under Kyle Shanahan of running backs for the forty niners, it's not like they're spending first round picks. It's usually guys that afraid this map breeders Gabu you think about breeding you think about most certain in only having Coleman, really is a guy that you'd heard of most of the running backs that come around with the forty niners guys like this guy so again. To. Keep. In mind that has off also play a little bit earlier replayed this brandon i. you has been impressive. He caught a nice forty five yarder from Jimmy in passing sessions on Sunday Trent Taylor said during his press conference availability today that he likes both. And Seventh. Rounder. Juwan Jennings who played that for you a little bit early. So I you and Jennings. Our is to keep an eye on as well. Now, not so good things injuries. I, told you the worst thing. The only thing you got to worry about training camp everybody's got as reporters pull back the curtain a little bit for you as reporters what we have to do is because we want to get clicks and we want to get people to watch and we want to get the listen to podcasts is that we have to come up with a player the day we have to come up with the play of the day we have to make it bite size pieces so that everybody can say what happened today, Jimmy, look what we're Jimmy Stat. I told you take all with a grain of salt and the only thing that matters is injuries. So Nickel Corner K. One. Williams. He suffered a calf injury during Saturday's practice. There was no update on k. one Williams and Eric Armstead again sat out practice both day Saturday and Sunday stiffness in his back listening to Kyle Shanahan on Saturday night in his press availability said that if it was something more important Eric armstead would be out there probably get a give them a few days and he's going to return later on the week. So Armstead K. One Williams Jalen Hurd those are the main injuries. One thing I wanted to let you hear. Kyle. Shanahan. Talk about was Jordan Reed of course he ended concussion. He's at a number of them. His latest was last August twenty second he was on on the side on Saturday session before moving to a side field for some individual work. So here's Kyle Shanahan update on a player. He knows well from the redskins Jordan Reed Jordan has been here very long we do know is history and he hasn't been as long as it's other guys. So we used a midday on routes on air did all the individual work, but we don't want them going against anyone yet. we'll reassess that each day and we'll get him in there when we're comfortable with. All right. There you go. So there's College Shannon with an update on Jordan Reed. If read is healthy thing about these skill guys if read as healthy at depot is healthy and heard is healthy it's all about health and trend Taylor seems healthy. Then the type of things they can do with the Chesapeake. Okay, you're secondary your team is good against these guys will bring in these guys totally different Jordan Reed with George Kittle McKinnon coming out of the backfield Trent Taylor in the slot. John Jennings. Brennan Euch in the different versatility that he. Brings to the table people forget this was a really good offense last year for the forty niners. Kyle is a mad scientist and bring all these different guys into the brew. Again, health is a major concern, but they can go quick in the slot. They can go big in the south bring a big group of guys bring extra tight ends. They could bring back like McCain who can work in the slider out of the backfield. There's a lot of excitement and can't for the different things. That these group of guys can do, but health is the big issue on answer to our Trivia question before we go I, asked you of course, there is the Brady six but now after George kill got his big contract, there is the kittle eight, the eight tight ends drafted before George kittle in the two thousand seventeen NFL draft Oj Howard nineteenth by Tampa Evan. Ingram. twenty-third by the giants David. Twenty twenty-ninth by the Cleveland Browns. At all in the first round Gerald Everett second round by the Rams Adam Shaheen forty fifth overall by the bears Johnny Smith One hundred by Tennessee Michael. Roberts drafted one hundred twenty seventh by Tennessee and right before the pick before George kiddle Denver took Jake. But one hundred, forty fifties at a ton of e problems and then one hundred forty-six dropping right in the forty niners laps fifth round one hundred, forty sixth pick overall number one your hearts. George kittle who just got that being fat contract are you impressed? We'll go impress your friends with the kettle eight if you are not that's the. John Lund show it is episode number one, the John Lennon show on the niners nation podcast network. Make sure you search niners nation where you get your favorite podcasts. Make sure to rate five stars be nice and subscribe hit me up on twitter at John. Lund, Radio questions, comments any of those kind of things I'll get him in the podcast next week for episode number two and make sure if you're around the bay area can be are weekdays with the voice of the forty niners Greg Papa. Ten. 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Stats & Eggs, 9/28: Mullens, Aiyuk lead 49ers to big win

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04:48 min | 3 weeks ago

Stats & Eggs, 9/28: Mullens, Aiyuk lead 49ers to big win

"Support for this podcast comes from state farm with surprisingly great rates. State farm is the real deal when it comes to home and car insurance state farm agents are in your neighborhood ready to help personalize your insurance and you can manage your coverage, pay your bill or even file a claim right from your phone with the state farm mobile APP visit. STATE FARM DOT com today to get a great rate without sacrificing great service that State Farm Dot Com when you want the real deal like a good neighbor state farm is there. Good. Morning I'm Rob Stats Carrera. Today is Monday. September. Twenty eight twenty twenty here's what's happening with your. San Francisco. Forty niners. The forty niners second go round and metlife stadium went decidedly better than their first despite missing their starting quarterback running back wide receiver tight end and center on offense. The forty niners role to a thirty six to nine thrashing of the New York giants yesterday and let's start at the top and work our way down Kyle Shanahan? You must be feeling pretty good after that right the guys fired up today. We've been on the road for a while We're real excited on this plane, celebrate a little bit and get back to our families in the opposite control, the ball, the way they the way we did to not pawn in the game or have a turnover in the game on the defense to have three turnovers I'll think they kept him out the red. Zone, the tire game and then special teams without played very well. Obviously minus snaps on I was really happy with everyone across the board you covered a lot there, but we'll start with the offense. The forty niners scored seven of their first eight possessions and the only time they didn't score came on a missed fifty five yard field goal by Robbie Gold. Nick mullins settled down after a bit of a slow start to throw for three, hundred, forty, three yards and a touchdown with zero turnovers Haynick. How'd you do it? Reparation leads up to the game when one Sunday hits you play with a clear mind. You see it in react fast most athletic guy but I think I can react pretty quick and that's what I think pretty well at and it's a lot of fun mullins and the offense held the ball for more than sixty five percent of the game part of that offensive success was due to rookie wide receiver. Brandon Who had one hundred one total yards of offense in the game including his first touchdown last week and getting my feet wet. I understood what I was getting into understood how the game work. So Kinda got the jitters out the way and was able to just come into this week play. So I was definitely excited to Though into this week practicing this game, I carried the ball three times for thirty one yards and scored his touchdown on a nineteen yard sweep play. He was basically untouched the entire way to the end zone. It wasn't just the offense dominated yesterday. However, the forty niners defense forced three turnovers and kept the giants out of the end zone all game long that success was no surprise to Fred Worn. We show today that we have a lot of we knew that we were coming in with a lot of injuries, but we wanted to prove to everyone that You know we're all we gone we need and You know we're executing thing we've got the right guys in the building to you know put put up like we did today the giants gained only two hundred, thirty, one yards of offense the entire day and never reached the red zone. We always give you something to read something to watch an something. You might have missed something to read on this Monday is jazz king story on niners nation. Dot Com about how? Kyle. Shanahan got the team ready to play this week after suffering a rash of injuries last week in the very same stadium, you can always visit niners nation dot com for all the latest forty niners news and notes not now though this is our time something to watch the health of tight end Jordan reed read sustained injuries to his ankle and knee during the game now Kyle Shanahan did say afterwards that he didn't think they were serious but that's what the forty niners always say about A. Day before they put the player on injured reserve for three weeks. Couple other injuries coming out of this one Jerick McKinnon suffered an upper rib injury and Manual Moseley was concussed. So we'll keep an eye on those during the week as well. Something you might have missed forty niners long snapper Kyle Nelson had a terrible game in this one multiple bad snaps on. Robbie. Gold field goal attempts it got so bad at the forty niners actually took him out of the game for their final Pat just in school was the long snapper on that one George Kiddo and Mitch now Sqi when over to Nelson on the sidelines during the game to try and pump them up a little bit. It didn't help much. That's going to do it for this edition of stats, an eggs, please rate review, and subscribe to the niners nation podcast. You'll get this and all the podcasts we do including the instant reaction pod that I did last night with Levin Black dive into everything you heard and this update and more I'm Rob Stats Guerrero Talk. Tomorrow.

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Stats & Eggs, 10/13: Kyle Shanahan tries to explain himself

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04:23 min | Last week

Stats & Eggs, 10/13: Kyle Shanahan tries to explain himself

"Good. Morning I'm Rob Stats Guerrero today is Tuesday October thirteenth twenty twenty here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners after a day to digest the debacle against the dolphins cow Shinhan had to face the music a little bit when he met with the media yesterday mostly about some of his questionable decisions throughout the game first and foremost he was asked about the quarterback situation especially, the health of Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy came in good man. I know he's sore from the first half I think his ankles a little bit sore and his body a little bit from. Some of the hits that he had but nothing that made worse like you expected after a game I'm nothing too bad happen. We got out of there before that did. So we'll see how he is on Wednesday I expect them to be at least the same if not better. So hopefully, you can get a week of that and have no setbacks, Wednesday Thursday and Friday in flew him out there Sunday night I don't know how you put a gimpy Jimmy Garoppolo behind an offensive line. The can't pass block when you're playing Aaron Donald and the rams this week. UK that wasn't just Garoppolo the struggled on Sunday however, the whole offense hasn't been good throughout the entire season. Kyle why do you think they can't find any consistency? We gotta get out their practice a lot more You know we haven't had a practice yet with. Deebo Mahim kittle and Jimmy Garoppolo including training camp on including every practice for the four weeks of this year So that does that does make it a little more inconsistent. I'm not sure how much sense that answer makes either to be honest the forty niners scored thirty points a game last year even though George Kit Oh Miss Games kyle us. Check. Miss. Games both starting tackles miss. Games. At one point. You never really have all your guys and this year they're scoring twenty four point, eight points per game, which is eighteenth in the League, and that number is a little inflated because to the Games came against the giants and the jets Yuck. One thing the forty niners did do consistently well on Sunday was run the football. The niners averaged seven yards per carry on nineteen carries in the game. So why didn't you run the ball more kyle good luck anymore those in when you go to for ten on third down over to on fourth down have six drops, five sacks and had three turnovers. So I like what I see on tape the way we're blocking not every time but if you don't move the chains on third down, you don't stay out there. You're not gonNA see that many more run place. All of these answers seem to point to a really disturbing trend for me. Kyle seems to be saying that as long as everything goes right, his offense can function but if any part of it breaks down the whole machine collapses. In a sport with a one hundred percent injury rate. I'm not sure you can build anything sustainable with that philosophy. We always give you something to watch something to read and something you might have missed something to read on this Tuesday's NBC Sports Bay area's piece on whether the forty niners should look into acquiring Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan? Ryan. Course had his MVP season when Shanahan was the coordinator in Atlanta and though they would have to shift some money around to make the whole thing work to falcons are in full blown rebuild mode after firing their head coach and general manager this week an owner Arthur blank did not commit to Matt Ryan as part of the franchise going forward. Something to watch the health of key defensive starters for the niners Kyle said yesterday Kwan Alexander Matvey, high ankle sprain, which would put him on the shelf for multiple weeks and returned. Sherman had some sort of setback with his leg injury this week. So he likely won't be able to return against the ramps something. You might have missed the forty niners faced the cowboys this season, but they won't have to face Dak Prescott. Unfortunately per Prescott he is out for the year with a compound fracture of his ankle. It was just one of those gruesome injuries that you could see right away was. Going, to be a major major thing. So with deck done for the season, it'll be Andy Dalton against the forty niners in week fifteen. That's GonNa do it for this edition of stats and eggs if you like what you hear please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation podcast network, you'll get all the shows we offer including the niners nation podcast with nine hundred, nate. Seattle convenient. That is that's going to drop later today he's the captain of the forty niners hype train he's going to try and put a positive spin on things he's got his work cut out for him right now. I'm rob stats. Guerrero, we'll talk tomorrow.

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Stats & Eggs: Mohamed Sanu agrees to deal with 49ers

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04:06 min | Last month

Stats & Eggs: Mohamed Sanu agrees to deal with 49ers

"Good Morning I'm rob. Stats Guerrero today. Is Wednesday September sixteenth twenty twenty here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners up until about an hour before I recorded this show, I was planning to tell you all about the rumor that the browns were shopping wide receiver Beckham junior that rumor perked up the years of forty niners fans because we think the team should be interested in. Every single player that could possibly become available, and also maybe because the forty niners were missing their to starting wide receivers on Sunday and the receivers that did play put up a combined four catches for forty one yards as a group. But if you listen to this podcast yesterday, you heard Kyle Shanahan tell you exactly which receiver he had his eye on. You know I love know. Helluva player. So him being out, there is always a possibility. But I wouldn't rule that out at all Lo and behold about twenty four hours after making that statement. Mohamed Sanu is in fact, a San Francisco forty, nine according to ESPN Josina Anderson. The receiver was on his way to San Francisco on Tuesday night Sanu told Anderson quoted happened. So quick I'm on the plane now gotTa have the rest of my clothes sent Kyle said it'll be awesome to have me. So I feel welcome scenario could be a welcome sight for forty niners fans. But only if he bounces back from an underwhelming year in two thousand, nineteen last year, he averaged eight point eight yards per. Catch on fifty nine total receptions and he had a career low five point, eight yards per target. As for one, we could see some new on the field. It's going to be a crazy week for him. It's a good thing. He's familiar with Kyle Shanahan system because he can't get on the practice field with the team until he passes three days of Covid, nineteen tests. So if he arrives on Tuesday night and immediately gets tested the earliest he could get on the field with the team is Friday one day before the team boards a plane and flies to New Jersey to play the jets on Sunday. Oh by the way, sue grew up about a half hour away for metlife stadium. Mohamed Sanu wasn't the only player the forty niners were looking to add on Tuesday but this one didn't quite turn out the same way pass rusher Ziggy Ansah worked out for the team but left the facility without a contract. It's a little surprising that onset didn't sign because he has a history with multiple people in the forty niners organization from when he was the fifth overall draft pick in two thousand thirteen. No word yet on who else the forty niners will bring in now that they couldn't reach an agreement with answer. We always give you something to read something to watch and something you might have missed something to read on this Wednesday is Kyle Posey's winners and losers column from week one against the cardinals now, I know you might think it's easy to call the entire team losers since they didn't win the game because a lot more nuanced than that. That's why you come here right for that content and plenty more forty niners news and notes you can always go niners nation dot. com. Just not right now you know 'cause me something to watch according to the NFL network's Ian Rapoport Saints Wide Receiver Michael Thomas is expected to miss several weeks with a high ankle sprain, which he sustained Sunday against the buccaneers. Thomas at the single season record for receptions last year with one, hundred, forty, nine catches the forty niners traveled to new. Orleans. To play the saints in Week Ten Thomas should be backed by then but high ankle sprains are tricky. So you never know. You may have missed yesterday in this spot we told you about some horribly racist messages. The Cardinal Safety Buddha Baker was sent on social media. The forty niners condemned the messages yesterday in a statement and said trying to identify the sender to ban him from ever attending another game or team event. Good. That's going to do it for this edition of stats and eggs please rate review and subscribe to the Niners Nation Podcast, and you'll get this and other podcasts like Shannon plan, which drops later today kyle posing a cash on a very often they'll take a deeper dive into the game one film and tell you what went wrong and why I'm Rob Stats Guerrero we'll talk tomorrow.

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415 Podcast- What are the scariest games on the 49ers' schedule?

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43:24 min | Last month

415 Podcast- What are the scariest games on the 49ers' schedule?

"I think our team is incredibly focused because of how close we were to win the Super Bowl last year and in how that tastes in their mouths is a bit of discipline itself that hunger that. Angst. Everybody's got their. Mon- I won't go try to get back to that moment so he can finish it. I know all the guys in this building, we have finished business. Ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls. Turn of. Defending San Francisco forty. Nine. We're. There's football on this. Sunday. Welcome to the four one, five, Park I. Hope you like Apple, intro to hide. The stadium. So I'm going to get to hype you're on the four and five podcast nate here again. For another week and this week, we got real football talk about we got a team coming into Levi's it's ready to get destroyed. The hype train is ready to go with me. This Week is Rob Guerrero Rob, stats, Carreira, how you man while I'm excited now. Exactly I got to hype and this week we're just gonNA break down a little bit about the NFL season we have coming up. If we play all sixteen games, they play what kind of challenges they might face with each team and then break down a little bit of what we're looking at going into week one who's healthy who's not and this Arizona cardinals team that for some reason, a lot of pundits not gonNA name anybody. Sports illustrated. Seem to think are better than us. And I'M GONNA use a harbaugh phrase right here. Real quick nobody has got it better than us. Right now go into this season we are the best team, the NFC west, and we're the best team in the NFC and we're gonNA show the world wide but first of all, let's get into week one the Zona cardinals. So Arizona has a young quarterback who actually might be faster than everybody's least favorite quarterback in the world. Russell Wilson. Does he have the arm Russell Wilson has I think it's too early to tell. But the team has gotten better Kenyan drake really look good towards the end of that season and I feel like that offense I don't know if you feel like this rob that offense the niners just struggle with it. Something about the air raid offense at San. Francisco just can't get around. I was surprised frustrated both times they played last year because we just couldn't seem to get off the field and to be honest in some of those games. If it weren't for a couple of key drops by the cardinals receivers, those games could have turned out a lot differently. So yeah, they moved the ball against San Francisco and week one could kingsbury had extra time to prepare. I'm not going into this totally comfortable with the defense exactly and I think that's the thing is the Got San Francisco to the Super Bowl last year was that defense in how touted isn't how how good it is and we out today actually that? Bosa and Ford practicing. Today. On Monday record this little early. They're practicing we're going to have for week one and the defense is fully healthy. So I mean I would expect they come out and they looked good. But with this cardinals offense, you don't know, and then we're also dealing with this new factor with the cardinals and that's De'andre Hopkins who probably. Is the third or second best receiver in the NFL I don't I think it's pretty close between all those guys I? Mean he's not Michael Thomas but he he is really good and and Sherman and it looks like it's GonNa be a manual Moseley, most likely on the other side as direct got hurt last week. So I don't ever think that was going to be the started governor but you know we had different reports. So Emmanuel Mosey in Richard. Sherman going up against a much better receiving core for the cardinals and we're just having a hope that maybe hoping that Maria has a sophomore slump or something that's what you're hoping you're hoping for us. Now here's what you're hoping for. Forty niners to win this game. The way they're bill to win games, which is for the offense to get up early let the pass rushers on the other side of the ball chase down the quarterback and the niners of the lead can use run the ball and shorten game. That is exactly what they're going to do this week. I think they're going to be able to put up points because I don't trust the cardinals defense to do a damn thing. It's can Jimmy avoid those stupid interceptions and what happens on the other side with with Carla Murray against the niners eighty and I think the biggest factor with this game is thinking about that buccaneers game last year with the team that ended up going to the super bowl you know they didn't look all there. They were a little shaky to come out. and. I. Think with less preseason I mean no games. Basically, you're going to see a much shakier niners team in the first half this game I think you're GonNa see a much your cardinals seem to i. think that it's going to take a couple of weeks for the rush to get out luckily, we have the jets and the giants the following two weeks. Bet I'll. Satisfies. But you know. So coming out, we just need Jimmy Garoppolo to be sharp and I think we need to see. We need to see something from remote gave that money and it's time for him to ball out be that guy I don't know if you're doing a fantasy draft before the after the show I don't know if he's like. I don't know if you want draft him still, but I think that that. IS GOING GONNA. Be Huge factor in this game specifically because they're going to. Try and hold a lead because things are going to be messy These guys haven't played live at a live action game all off season I guess you can count the scrimmages but I mean at the same time when you're going against your own guys, you don't really want to hurt each other but you want get that that speed going and you want to. Make. It feels much like real football without risking your guys for week one. Speaking of risking our guys for week one, it looks like Deebo Samuel. Mike. Be might be cleared for week one. We don't know yet. He didn't practice today I. You didn't practice today any Ben Garland today so The receiving core for the forty niners is still a little uncertain going into this week as well. So I think that's why the. Factor is so important. I think jet McKinnon is going to be huge I. Think we've talked about on the show before how jet McKinnon. The offense of jet Mackinnon was specifically designed. The caution I'm sorry cows Shanahan designed an offense specifically around jet McKinnon. And when he got hurt the year that they played. MINNESOTA. It was obvious that there was some sputters going on in Minnesota that day because they didn't have him Shannon came out after the game. So we had to change some of our game plan because we had no jet I think they're gonNA, use them a lot in this game i. don't think I think we're GonNa get to see what he can do and I think that's probably the most. Exciting. Thing about Sunday is we're finally MacKinnon in this offense and I think we've been dying to see that for what three years now and we might not see it again I mean given jet McKinnon's injury history at least this is the week we know we're going to get at least some Jerick Mckinnon I feel the poor got to go one hundred hundred here to satisfy everybody because we've been waiting so long actually see him on the field. I mean, if you just look at it though think of like a two minute drill where you have jet McKinnon. On. On the field, you check on the field you're deebo maybe I, you kill you could literally. Any of those guys anywhere on the field, you could take the back and put them in the slot. You could have the receiver you can have deebo come back and come in the backfield the. Flexibility for this offense is incredible. Yes exactly, and I think that's that's the biggest thing. Is this Arizona cardinals team just like the jets team in the giants teaming up late, they're not going to be able to stop these these guys on offense like that's the thing is this this game would probably high-scoring because the niner struggles so much with this often specifically, you know with the Kenyan Drake and Will now John Hopkins and I think that other receivers Christian Kirk I mean the like those guys are huge besides hopkins they're not huge names. Drake's a great were running back and I think he's gone pretty high fantasy and I think there's expectations for him. But I think it's his He's actually on on the last year. So this is would be a big year for him. I. Don't know if he's going to be a big year with him against the niners but specifically with Hopkins Thing Hopkins the biggest most important thing to stop because you're gonNA score tons of points. No matter what it just comes down to can you stop the Andre Hopkins or is he just GonNa Burn Richard? Sherman. Like we had with. tyreek Hill and Sammy. Watkins, in the Super Bowl which I don't want to talk about any more after this week, we are not talking about the super bowl, by the way we are done talking about. The Super Bowl. So let's into the forty niners this week. Real quick. It looks like we're going to be mostly healthy I. Hope we had the fifty three man cuts this week which was I don't think there was any real surprising. Cuts I think the practice squad actually hot take I. Think the practice squad to the forty niners has some better players than the fifty three of the Jacksonville Jaguars. A Little Bar, but you're probably not wrong. The practice squad is great. There's depth there is what it should be. The problem is like I can't tell you because I haven't seen these guys play. If you listen to Jason last week river craft, he's going to be great apparently and he's on our practice squad as well. So. 53-man cuts are done teams ready and we're GONNA go out there and ball. So let's talk real quick about. The season ahead of us so we have Arizona at home on Sunday a division game first season I'm hoping we get some just get some of the the the shakiness out get everything going get the offense going the way it's supposed to let us see some Jimmy Garoppolo looking like an MVP. That's what we need. We need some Jimmy Garoppolo coming out Ballin. I think he I listened to a lot of a lot of his speeches throughout the off season and I feel like Jimmy. Garoppolo knows where he went wrong last year and I, think there's room for improvement I've said. You to the other team. Trying to be nice this week because I said that he throws the ball team too much. It wasn't exactly deep film study required. Well. So the thing is I think Garoppolo you know he's come a Lotta Times. It's come down to talking about how you know the knee isn't a factor anymore. He's not worried about the nanny more, which is great I think we need to see drastic improvements from him in the first three weeks specifically because you're playing a cardinals team. That's probably GonNa win eight or nine games maybe seven I think the Hopkins thing is a huge. I think like I've said the defense is bad and I don't think they're gonNA lose a lot of close games And then you're playing jets and giants team who are just absolutely. Nothing going I mean saquon. Barkley. is going to be hard to stop I guess. But like the defense is bad. Daniel Jones doesn't scare me a neither to Sam Darnold at all. Sam Darnold. The guy's GonNa see ghosts because nick both is going to be in a space all day. I mean you if you have Nick Bosa Ford Eric Armstead Kinloch start showing out here. There's no way that the jets games even close I think you're looking at something similar to that. Cincinnati Bengals game last year where you just go into New York and you blow him out the best thing for the niners going into the first stretch of the season is the to away games in New York on the other side of the country they're staying in that time. There's going to be you know they don't have to worry about the time change. They're both ten am games and they're going to go out ball in those games and then they come home for Sunday night football against the Philadelphia Eagles and I've been thinking a little bit about this game recently because for a long time I thought this could be the first lost the season but I personally don't think they're gonNA lose this early into the season I think that they're gonNA come out and they're going to win a lot of games to start. And then they're going to have Jennifer set a couple of weeks ago. One of those games where they just blow somewhere. I don't know where it's going to be yet. But let's just keep going down specifically with Ariza with with the eagles. Carson Wentz is healthy for now. Be Played. Sixteen Games last year I know and then he got hurt in the one playoff game they had. Cloudy kind of shot at a little bit I mean let's be honest. It's stunning. The Seattle Guy with cheap shot somebody not at all a new Tennessee titans. Any clarity. So rejoice. Today Dan Clouds, and coming for our quarterback this season unless we see Tennessee on the super bowl which. Could very well happen. They look like a very good team. But I my hot take is I think it's GonNa. Be Kansas City again if we get there. So we have the Philadelphia Eagles a team that literally never has any receivers ever. I don't know anything about Jalen Rigor He was decent coming out of college, but you could say that about literally any receiver, it's not like we've been able to watch preseason or anything on. Damon regular. But that's what they're counting on and then I'm pretty sure mile. Sanders I know from fantasy is going pretty high. So Miles Sanders could be a factor in that game. The thing about the forty niners is the run defense has been always a little shaky. So back to back weeks with a saquon Barkley in amounts, sanders could be a factor. The giants are much worse teen than the Eagles so with. An the defense on the eagles side is actually interesting because they now have The corner from the line that I'm drawing a blank on area sly the Eagles I think what? There's seven corners last year I'm pretty sure. and. So having a top corner, like that could be a factor depends on how healthy we are going to week four but. That's going to be one of the better corners forty niners will see this season. I think he's just he's always been really good with the lines I mean he could very well go to the Eagleton be terrible but I don't see that coming the eagles also have a great pass rushing Fletcher Cox and Brandon Graham, and they've always been able to get to the passer and I think that's going to be where, where are offensive lines to show up I think. Trent Williams is such a huge pickup because while I love Joe Staley I think every niner fan does I think that Trent Williams is an instant instant improvement there and I think that's going to lead to Jimmy getting a hit a lot less I. think he was sacked way too much last year way too much for the quality of line that we're dealing with and I think. Another factor in that too is Mike mcglinchey he needs to he really needs to improve his pass blocking this season his run blocking has been great but pass blocking he's been. Little subpar I think. Now, we move onto the Miami Dolphins another team that we're going to see a quarterback. Right now it's going W. Matter. It's fits right now, but it doesn't really like. We talking here. I'm trying to be objective but now it doesn't matter. Dolphins are bad devante. Parker is good but the Miami dolphins have nothing that really scares me they were the number number three pick and the number two or three pick in the draft this year for reason, they were terrible. They are coming to Levi stadium to get. destroyed. And? There's there's nothing I could say it and tell you that if that's not going to happen because that's what's going to happen. They're coming to Levi stadium to get destroyed and I would love just to see tool as a fan of what he did at at Alabama but at the same time, like he's going to struggle with this defense, he's you know you didn't get any preseason games. And this is week five is early in the season. A lot of guys in a college don't tend to show until you know we're halfway into the season because they start to get used to the speed of the game because it's so different but let's move on to another game. The Los Angeles Rams are I just WanNa be clear? Your these are all forty niners wins for you so far. Right Oh absolutely four hundred wins. The Eagles was the first one I had to think about. But right now we are at, we are currently at five and oh going on the season. I mean is there any doubt that it's not GonNa Be Sixteen? I, just feel. I. Just don't see any losses I don't know. Well. I think I think there's a lesson here. We'll get on eventually. But what's not a loss is the Los Angeles, Rams. I think. Well, you know. I think they're going to be better this year for sure. I think they did actually have a super bowl hangover in the fact that they're young coach just. Didn't seem to get those guys rallied like they came out strong and then kind of fell off happening to the season. They're still going to be a decent team. I think there are decent tests I think Aaron Donald is the best player in the league by far. But I don't see Jared Goff being able to beat this defense twice in a year. You're even once in a year really I just don't I see it. I've been watching hard knocks. Lisa look at it that team a little bit but there's nothing on that team that truly truly scares me. Especially since this is the first games at home at Levi's, and maybe by week six, we have some fans. Who knows probably not though but the Los Angeles Rams, I think they're the worst team in the division personally. And then we move onto. My first interesting first game I. Could think could be a loss the Cam Newton New England Patriots Week Seven. So first of all, what six or six zero right now. Cam. Newton Patriots Week Seven. In New England. And it's an afternoon start. And Bilbao checks coming off a bye. Is He really, which is awesome for us. Oh Great. This is an interesting game because bill belichick he's just a I mean he's Really Good at defense and he just really good head coach I. Really don't WanNa play in that building because everyone says like. Eerie thing that goes on there like you walk around and you feel like you're being watched and. I'M NOT GONNA say it's a loss because I haven't seen the CAM. Newton Patriots I don't know what they look like there were times last year we Tom Brady they looked awful. I mean that Tennessee titans game in the playoffs they looked terrible. They looked like they their offense was just not there. The receivers think they're number one receivers in Kiel Harry. This year and Julian element like Nicole Harry hasn't done anything to scare me unless him and Cam Newton, just like best friends and can. Do work against us that offense doesn't scare me the defense scares me and I don't think forty niners drop a game because. I don't I don't think they drop again because they're gonNA score points no matter what the niners are going to score points willingly every game they play the season I don't think there's You're not worried. You don't think this could be a loss for the forty niners bill. Where worry don't telling you I'm worried I'm not to prepare. Cam. Newton. Who At that point could be role could be finally getting the system under his belt could be have all the rust come off cliven in New England against the mastermind. I. I'm scared to death of this game your first week. I said this was a loss. I've come around on IT I. Think it's a win but I think I've moved my losses somewhere else at this point I've been thinking a lot about some of the factors with this is not the best the best patriots team we've ever seen. You Know Cam. Newton could be awesome but it's completely different. And their their weapons don't scare me. They don't have any offensive weapons do rob do you are there any weapons on the? Patriots besides Camden that really scare you Know Black. They have Cam Newton. They have a guy who can play at an MVP level. They have a very, very good offensive coordinator. Josh. mcdaniels, and the Patriots, never have great skill position players. They still find ways to move the ball I mean. Everything about this game says trouble to me and even though I'm fascinated to see ballot check up against Kyle Shanahan like if there was one game that I could just get off the schedule, it would be this one because I just I don't I don't like anything about it. I don't like where it's played I don't like when it's play a hate. The Patriots have a by the week before nothing about it is good for the niners I mean yeah it's totally the worst case scenario to play this team but I- i- heartache I don't think the best team in their division. There might be fair. I don't think I think that the buffalo bills are going to win the division this year and we're going to get to that game later on of course, because we play them at home but. I'M GONNA go with this is a crazy one. The niners beat New England in New England on through a couple days before my birthday. So seven. Going into factor for them. 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People who get it find out more at cdw, dot, com slash deltec. Senator know going into the Seattle seahawks in Seattle. These guys are gonNA, want revenge. They're mad about the fact that we won the division last year this is going to be a dogfight. It's week eight now. So there could be fans by now I. Don't I don't know. But if there isn't, I, think that's a huge factor because Seattle. So Everything about the twelve man is such is such a big part of their team in the way that that that team comes out against people. But? Seattle's pass rush I've said it time and time again is. Awful. It is so bad that I think Garoppolo might have eight seconds to throw most at the time. That's how bad it is and the NFL agrees with me the NFL put out a look at every teams pass rush and number thirty two was the Seattle seahawks and. Carol may find ways to specifically get pressure which he probably will. But that doesn't change the fact that the talent isn't there. You know on that defensive line and yes, they have Bobby Wagner and yes they have K. J. right like sure. But those guys aren't the top of the linebacking core anymore they're not number one and number two number two in Caja right was never number two bobby was the only one who is really a huge factor and I think that last season we started to see a little bit of declined from him when it comes to pass coverage that they may have fixed that with this new guy they brought in but the Seattle seahawks and. I said this last week they're not the same team that they were. Yes. The secondary is much improved. They probably have the best safety core in the entire league and I think Russell Wilson as well is playing. Better than he's ever played the last couple of years and I think that the receiving core they're putting out there with decay metcalf antilock it is better than it's been. Carton Chris Carson's healthy. That's a factor as well. There's a lot of things that go into this game and these teams hate each other but that pass rushes so bad that group was gonNA have all day to throw and you if sure Shaquille Griffin or Quinton Dunbar. I don't think you can cover a deebo Samuel or a Brandon McCoy George Kettle for eight seconds. It's just not possible. I don't know if he's GonNa have eight seconds, but here's the thing that I don't like about this game in addition to Russell Wilson who just haunts my dreams forever it comes in it listen to this stretch for the forty niners Rams Patriots Seahawks, packers, Saints Rams Bills. That's a stretch of games that this thing. Comes in like everybody made a big deal of the gauntlet last season it was well, they have another one this year, and that's right in the middle of it and I just you know the sequence of games matters. It matters when you play teams and who you played the week before and who you play the week after the niners are going to be banged up, just going to have played the Patriots now they gotta go to Seattle. So that's where where I'm getting to the end of this. So I think we're done with a little bit of a factor from the year that they went to the super bowl where they beat the patriots in New England come to Seattle drop close one this GonNa be close. That wasn't close to a couple years ago I think. This is the first loss of the season. The niners moved to seven one barely losing to Seattle in Seattle. and then they come home for a Thursday night game after playing Seattle loss that feeling sucks they get right back out there and they murder the Green Bay, packers. For the third time in two years exactly. I. Don't think Green Bay area at all what have the the packers did nothing nothing to address all the reasons they got the snot out of them against the forty niners they didn't take a wide receiver that intake anybody that's going to. They didn't acquire anybody that's going to stop them from getting run all over, which is exactly what's going to happen. Again, if you're a packer fan I would be furious because I agree with you there's no reason if we do not smash them against. Exactly, and that's the thing is I think that's why they drop that Seattle game and that it is actually a good thing that they play on Thursday as opposed to playing you know on Sunday it's a short week they go out they're killed his packer team in the right back on it again because the following week they're going to Norman's and I think. This is such an interesting game because where we tend could be fans again and like. I've had you on here I think Jennifer said it as well like they're going to be mad this saints team is going to be angry because you know not only are they. They're still the most high team in the NFL. I think the saints are probably. Right. There San Francisco in the buccaneers when it comes to like the teams people think could potentially win the NFC and I think that they know that they barely lost last year to this team that went to the super. Bowl. And I think that they're going to be angry they're gonNA come in with. Not Chip on their shoulder, but they're gonNA, want. To, kill us. And we're coming into their building where we beat them last year and they're still I mean Kamara isn't holding out. Like, anymore they still have Michael Thomas the best receiver in the in the entire NFL, they still drew brees I think hot take has lost a step but I think he's still really good. I think that they willingly score points on our defense last year in a way that nobody had done all year until that game. And so going into this one. Yeah, it's cool to be Green Bay on Thursday night and have that long week rest but. I. Think this is this is a winner or loss but if we're going through the schedule real quick, I'm going to say it's a loss and so we're sitting at. Eight and two going into the bye week. And so we have the by. Of course. Yeah. Of course and I to aid to go into the by week and then you come home or you go to L. A. Play Rams team that even if there wasn't covered, there wouldn't be fans in the stadium so. Actually it's a new stadium. So they're probably would be fans. It'd be the brand new. Stadium. which will be cool to play is it's going to be cool to kick their butt in their brand new stadium because the ranch don't scare me. They just don't earned. Awesome but. I don't think I, just don't see them losing any game to the rams this year at all I don't see the rams being a team that can go to San Francisco or San Francisco can't go there and it's just They don't scare me. I that's all I can say really cause I don't even know who the running back is. Where we were week from season starting and we don't know the running back is you know a lot of people like it's GonNa be camakers, but I don't. I don't even know what camakers looks like outside of college nobody does. We saw him fumbling hard knocks. Cool. Look. Like. That was a report on the fantasy absence like camakers fumbled and practice, and then they showed it. On hard knocks and I was like, okay well. But Yeah I don't. I don't know what this rams team is going to be exactly but I don't think they're better than San. Francisco? So they're better than the niners division games are always close. But. Even though I don't think it's going to be easy I. I agree with you I would be surprised if the forty niners dropped that game although like I said it is at the end. Of this brutal stretch in their schedule. So they just came off a bye that's my biggest factor with that to true. They just came they finished that New Orleans game which they barely drop where they barely win and they have a bye week and then they played this rams team refreshed and ready to go kick some but and then here's the game we talked about the first week we did this show. Monday, night against the buffalo bills, the winners of the AFC of the AFC east this year. This game? Ever, since you mentioned it to me I've been thinking a lot about it scares me a little bit because I think that there is on par with our defense. I. Think Our quarterback is better than their quarterback and I think are receiving core is better than they're receiving core but I think the factor of. Is it going to be Devon. Single Terrorist Zach Moss. Is a huge factor because I'm curious what those guys will be like Devin single tear was good. Last year Zach could be better. John Brown. Has Been a huge factor with them but I don't think they have anybody else. That's really that scary on the wide receiving corps and then they're tight end is is Dalton to Knox who? I'm not really afraid of him either but the same thing I just get back to that defense his paid, they paid their cornerback Trivia. Davis White. Thank you God bless blink today they just paid him and he's a great cornerback probably if we're talking about how sleigh is one of the best quarterbacks today, this white is the best cornerback. The San Francisco Forty niners play this season easily. And I think that that's huge factor. Their defense is really good. Their pass rushes great and it may be home, but that's a scary game. No. That is not a fun game. I feel like it's the complete opposite of the Arizona. Game Right I have total confidence. The niners offense will be able to score on the cardinals defense. I just worry that the cardinals offense will be able to score against the niners. Well, guess. I have there's no way buffalo's GonNa be able to score a ton of points against the defense because I think Josh Allen is going to get eaten alive. The problem is how many points nine is going to score against Buffalo's defense because the bills defense is really good and Sean McDermott is a really really really good head coach. This game has always scared me since I saw it on the schedule I would not be stunned at all to forty niners drop this game. I. Pardon me. So this is another may be from kind of the saints game. It's like I feel like there's totally a way to win. It's going to be really close like the Saints Game But this could totally be a loss as well. So I mean if you really wanted to count it as a loss. But I think there's another surprise loss coming before the end of the season, which if I say, they lose this than the thirteen and three thing doesn't necessarily work. So I'm GONNA say they barely squeak by buffalo bills team that wins the division and is a potential. To seed in the AFC, this year could be I mean probably most likely third seed three seed because I think the Ravens and the Kansas City chiefs are just gonNA walk. Right back to the playoffs pretty easily. especially with just the way Lamar plays, but it's a possibility. The Nice thing is that following week you have the Washington football. Team. Win. Move On. Washington football team at home. It would be cool if. Alex Smith started that game. It would be no for sure. The one factor that scares me in this game without moving on just real quick is chase young chase young coming out of college was supposed to be better than Nick Bosa and we know what new post does two teams even you know. Even good teams. He kills them and that's the thing is they still deal with Nick Bosa that a guy like nick that could really make them struggle a little bit game. They're not going to lose to the Washington football team though let's move on the Dallas Cowboys at at and T. stadium where they'll be more niner fans at cowboy fans because that's the way it always is it seems like and it looks like there's going to be fans at Dallas Stadium all year, which is. No comment. The Dow this is an interesting dowse team I think Zeke is in for a huge huge year I. think that that that that they are receiving core is disgusting they have guys catch the ball all over the place Michael Gallup Amari Cooper CD lamb. Now they have Ezekiel Elliott who still one of the best running backs in the year he had a little bit of a down year last year but I think he's GonNa even better this year the defense is still pretty good. They went on got Everson Griffen. They still have demarcus Lawrence. Corners and our old friend Alden Smith. All. On the cowboys supposedly looks really good which say what you want about Alden. Smith. When he was right he was devastating I think he had forty three sacks and his first forty four games like. He's a game wrecker if he's right. Oh Yeah for sure. I mean he's a little older so we'll see. But yeah, this team is. Is a very interesting test Sunday night football. It's under the lights at at and T. Stadium you know Prescott playing for his contract basically I mean we saw much watson just got a couple of days ago. You Know Prescott wants that money and Prescott is going to be on a mission I think this year and I think I think the cowboys are GonNa win this division this year. Are GonNA win their division this year I really do. And but I think the niners. I think the niners win this game. stunner I'm looking forward to game for the old school niners-cowboys Montage. WE'RE GONNA GET A. Game. So you know the day I, bet you I listen I worked at NBC until May of this year, I can tell you for a fact they've already started putting together the old school cowboys Steve Young. Troy. Aikman they'll probably mix in some of the catch from back in the eighties like they're going to have everything ready to go. It's going to be such an awesome like we're gonNA CTO on the star. We're GONNA pull everything out it's going to be great. It's going to be great and then they're gonNA win so it's going to make it even better. You want. The Star I want someone to go to the star. If you're the niners like I don't care if it's depot, whoever kit will go to the Star old school and boo take the penalty screw it. Penalty. And do it. Just. Blow it out and do it but if you do it. But. Yeah I I think they win this game for I I just think. I, the wide receiver core thing does scare me the defense of the niners is so good and if they're healthy, they can go into that Dallas Cowboys Stadium and they can win that game It'll that'll be at that's another test I. Think this schedule is harder than last year. I think that's one of the biggest things we're looking into and why it's harder for them to get to thirteen three but I think that there are more experienced football team. I. Think that you know they were young last year and they've. Gotten. Better, and that's why they can still pull up thirteen three. So, next game is my final loss of the season, the Arizona cardinals at Arizona. I. Just think that they got away last year with with with highway robbery barely beating both those teams I think Arizona's going to get one on them. I just think that the cuyler Murray factor I think the the Nice thing about the first ceremony game as it is part of it. Obviously. The Nice thing in the not nice thing is that is the first game of the season and I think San Francisco's a better football team overall but I think by the end of the season where maybe seeing in Arizona team that might be. Going for that seventh seed they're and. They're that good I think that the defense would come to a million times at Devon's is bad but the defense could potentially get better as the season goes on these. A lot of those guys are young. You could see some improvement in Arizona doesn't like San Francisco because of the way that you can tell the way they don't like him and Kyla Murray. Because it's weird but it could be potentially going for an MVP. There's a lot of factors that when you see a team began season and you see a team at the end of the season that really come in where visitors team could be way better than the team that we just blow out this Sunday. You know and so if there's any team I think they're going to lose a close game right before the playoffs to its Arizona because I think they're gonNA come out at home against Seattle. This final weekend they're going to just put the gas down and make a trip to go straight to the play offs I. Really think that while it'll be close. San Francisco knows after dropping that Game Tarazona the week before that. This is it. You know you're you win today you you become thirteen three you're probably the number one seed and you get a nice by, and then you're probably gonNA see. The saints, the box, maybe the seahawks, the following week, and if you see the seahawks back to back you WANNA win that final game of the season. If there's any potential that you have to see the seahawks again and so this was this is what gets me to my thirteen and three I think that final game, the seahawks they don't drop they win and you know they split with the seahawks may split with the cardinals and they sweep the ramps and that's how the NFC west goes out I think it's going to be San Francisco Seattle Arizona La. They could literally find themselves in the exact same situation week seventeen that they were in last year winner-take-all you win the division, you get the number one seed like we could see an exact repeat of that, which would be incredible. It was incredible to me that the forty niners had to go thirteen and three to get the number one seed by an inch last year by an inch, and that's the thing is as the seahawks are so talented with just Russell Wilson and what he can do and yeah, we talked about last week with Jason like they're going to run. The ball constantly. But the thing is it's it's GonNa work and they're going to win games and it's gonNA drive US crazy all season. You know all season we're GONNA come in and we're GONNA check in with the NFC west at the beginning of sobel check in with the NFC West see who one where it was an Seattle's going to have all these winds we're not going to work comes from because they're Rosser is not as good as ours and the reason that's GonNa be because Russell Wilson and they're always going to be there because Russell Wilson and it sucks. But we are the better football team this year. The niners are better than the end of the rest of the NFC west end. They're gonNA, prove it on Sunday when they come in and they played that cardinals team and it's going to be close. There's GonNa be some times where you're scared and when you don't know if we're GONNA win this this game they're gonNA pull through because this is what great football teams do these guys are hungry. They WANNA win they've come into they've they have gone through it this offseason has been terrible losing the superbowl sucks. But these guys aren't GonNa lay down and die. They're gonNA come out and they're going to win and they're going to come out and they're going to get back to the Super, bowl? The hype train never stops. Ever asked. Do the pre game speech. I wish they would I was GONNA do a pre game speech for I. I. was going to speech podcast but that's the thing. Is, going to come out this week. It's going to be a little rough. But just stick with it. They're gonNA, find a way to win, and then they're gonNA kill the jets and the giants and here we go. Here we go. It's time to win I'M GONNA. Get the six super bowl. Let's do it. This time there could be there's an argument to be made that the forty niners. Some would say would be better off losing this week against the cardinals the come out right? They think they could just throw the pads on show up where the big bad forty niners they lose to the cardinals a huge wakeup call right I could see Richard Sherman in the post game press a right now saying this is a wakeup call we can't just expect to get. Right back to the Super Bowl, you got to put the work in, and then they come out with two more cupcakes. They smash the jets, they smash the giants and then they're off and running so that you could make the argument I could see people saying a loss in week. One of the cars could be the best thing for the forty nine it could be a good. Thing. But I just think that the way that super bowl ended and someone who's been listening to a lot of those posts speeches to create a little bit at montage. You heard today they are hungry they WANNA win, and they're gonNA come out against Arizona and they're gonNA show why they are the defending champions I. Really do think that this team is going to be back to back. NFC Champions End the Super Bowl champions at the end of the season as not just because they call me nine eight is because I really think the talent on this team. Has the potential to be even better than what they had last year. I think is the guy and yeah I'd never seen him play. You know NFL game but I think that I trust Shanahan Shanahan's judgment call on this guy, and you can see when he drafts. He was ecstatic and the way they've talked about my boy Dante Pettis they are happy with the changes. He's made his game I think he's going to be a huge factor this year the jet McKinnon thing is huge kettle is going to be a monster all season no matter what and I think Trent Williams on that offensive line is going to make them a much better team. In three games. You can't go six it's impossible modern and that would be ridiculous. But The Pro Bowl Trent Williams going to flatten everybody takes a step toward Jimmy Garoppolo George Kettles Unstoppable Dante Pettis is gonNA greatest comeback since Lazarus and everything's going to be golden for the for the niners. You come to the phone five podcast for you. WanNa listen to someone be not optimistic. Go listen to some other podcasts. We are optimistic here that this is the team going to win the super bowl no more injuries. This is it the season Starts Sixteen Game Gotland. Let's do it. Let's win a super bowl. You can always follow me at at nine or nate on twitter. You can listen to my heart takes we are going to be up. We are back every week. Hopefully, we can get someone on from New York next couple weeks and not talk them about the jets and giants team that are. we will talk to you next week. Go niners. Let's do it.

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Ep. 256: Shanahan is not to blame

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Ep. 256: Shanahan is not to blame

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Welcome to this week tradition of the Niners nation dot com. Better idols podcast. My name is Oscar up and this week the walk on Wednesday and the elegant tank continues tomorrow is the final battle of the bay. And boy the Derek Carver's. Nick Mullins sounds like a rating bonanza, and as always with me is one Mr. Jerod Brown, Jared how you doing doing? Well, thanks for having me as always previewing a game. Come in sooner rather than later 's oddly exciting. And now, I guess we can officially make it official official. How many times going to say official in one sentence? Co host of the better rivals podcast. Welcome aboard, my friend. Thank you officially official official and to commemorate this. Of course, you were doing the one thing that all better rivals hosts must do when they are official better rival CEOs and that is consume a frosty alcoholic beverage. So Jared, what are you drinking today? I'm drinking a hanalei island from Kona brewing. Although not located in Hawaii. Currently, unfortunately. Jesus that was fancy. Beer snob. And otherwise, it just I'm, you know, if I'm going to be pretentious. I wanna be full pretentious. I'm surprised like I'm not even an ad. That's great. I love it. I'm over here. Sipping a Spanish red wine. It's great like, I don't even know what it's called. I just know that it's Spanish, that's all you have to know. Yeah. I mean, we can ask I don't know. There's got to be a similarly somewhere on Twitter that could tell us based on bottle. What it's all about the reason it Spanish is mostly just to help me pronounce Gottardi Guillaume when we get to that section of the podcast. So it's just gonna loosen up the tongue. I've often said that's how alcohol in linguistics are tied together. That's right. Take it from Spanish teacher them's the rules. So let's talk about the the whole cardinals game. Because boy was it. I mean, it was it was a pretty good kick to the groin is what I'm going to say the Niners advance, of course in the tournament for the first overall pick. And it was a game that it seemed like the Niners had in hand. I mean, they had a safety. They had two turnovers. Everything looked like they were like it was going to go the forty Niners way. And they were going to get their win and analysis. Sudden it's fifteen eighteen forty Niners lose and they continue their March towards the first overall pick in the draft. They are. And I think that's a good thing. Alternately sort of fan reaction in all admit that. I get caught up in this as well. It's hard not to root for the team in want them to do. Well, but in reality sort of stepping back Monday afternoon looking at the totality of the season. This is the best possible thing that could happen because not only do the forty Niners get another loss. But a team they realistically as we mentioned last week there in direct contention with the cardinals to be one of those top three teams to be picking in the draft. So to have the cardinals at the same time that the forty Niners lose the cardinals get a win and build their record up as rough as it is. And as as you mentioned is poor of a game as it was in the way that they lost almost worse overall a good outcome. And of course, I think if you've listened. His long enough. We've been writing the elegant tank here if for a couple of years, but this is not to say that we think that Shanahan is tanking or that the team should actively lose games. It's just that if they're gonna lose. Well, they're gonna reap the draft rewards. I think the picture that sticks. With me is I I don't know if you saw it, but it's a picture of Shanahan in the locker room after the loss, and he has his back to an equipment car and a football on his hand. And he's just staring off into space, and it looks like someone killed his puppy and that picture is really emblematic of the season because Shanahan no matter. His best efforts still sees this team with just a lack of execution and execution problems. And those are ultimately resulting into law in losses. And that's I think my biggest takeaway from the game against the cardinals. Is that the execution issue strikes? Again, the forty Niners were playing well the entire game they allowed just or well for most of the game the hill out three points and accounted for forty percent of the team's offensive points in the first half. I mean this game was shaping up. Like it was going to be a win. When the Niners scored that long. Touchdown Markey's Goodwin. Ends up on the lawn catch and run at twelve and three the lead seemed insurmountable. I was already being like, okay. Well, you know, two wins whatever we lose a little bit drivers. And but hey, we want a game. And then all of a sudden it all falls apart in the end, and it squarely on the shoulders of execution and not much else. And it starts really with some of those fourth quarter drives especially when backups came onto the field. I absolutely agree in again, we mentioned it a little bit with CJ Beathard is a backup. And some of these the db rotations and stuff. There was a clear drop off in in. Josh rosen. Byron left which was calling his first game. These guys suddenly looked like they were, you know, realistically much better at their respective positions quarterback and play caller first time, play caller. Then they might normally be. I think what we saw happen, particularly when some of those backups went in as you mentioned Jakubowski tart, probably the worst in terms of. Of the backup success or lack of success from the backup that you saw what happened with the middle of the field defenders in really the middle of the field is a general field area began to immediately get exposed. And I think some of that has to do with the fact that you Jakob's guitar when he is sort of those that underneath cover three defender. He has a lot of versatility is a run defender. But also as a pass defender and inability to match tight ends over the middle of the field in an ability to deal with stronger receivers over the middle of the field that the players that came on or rather the defensive rotations that they had to make when he went off those players weren't capable of doing the same thing, particularly in that final drive when the cardinals went ahead was first and ten on the Zona thirty eight in Rosen, Hitler, FitzGerald sort of up the seem twenty down the field to the SF forty-two and Kwan William k one Williams looked to sort of pass off. It's Gerald kind of on this this sort of seem ish route, but a little bit more outside the hash. Than typical. And there was another miscommunication and a lack of execution from Fred ward. At this time who is kind of the the inside defender there that it looked like K one Williams was expecting him to wall off. It's and pass him off as you mentioned. It's just a stark lack of execution that keeps showing up, and I don't really know what Shanahan can do except sort of say look when we've got our guys they can compete, but there's such a fall off that when the back of sir getting in and we're gonna see backups his Thursday. It's just doesn't look as good. At the end of the day. I think the coach still needs talent and the best coach in the whole world is still going to need talented players to execute on those schemes even after that play that you mentioned that twenty yard pass. If it's Gerald the forty Niners still had a sixty nine percent chance of winning the game per ESPN's win probability kind of metric it's based on a lot of chase Stewart's work, I think, and and that that's a pretty healthy probability of winning. It's certainly not an insurmountable percentage. Of course, the forty Niners prude, but it's definitely within the realm of like the Niners should still win this game. But I think as you said you're one hundred percent, right. I think Jakubowski tart was a big loss and the secondary. And then you have his backup come in. And then he comes out with a concussion Antoine ex junior. And then you've got Powell effectively the third safety someone who probably got maybe maybe five practice reps this week just based on how the practice reps come out. And and that's really when the defense fell apart. If you zoom in on his perform. Silence. Both touchdowns were pretty much his fault, which kind of sucks you've got second and ten from thirteen yard line eleven eleven left in the fourth quarter. The cardinals aren't in twenty two personnel in a trips left formation you count wide receivers from the outside in. So you've got Chad Williams at one FitzGerald to Ricky seals Jones three the Niners cover too. So Powell has to be aware of the post route. I mean, this is exactly what beats cover to. He's got to be aware that this is going to be the danger for the coverage. That's exactly what FitzGerald runs at him Powell plays with outside leverage and opens his hips super early. It's an easy touchdown for FitzGerald. I think one point that you brought up is that this guy, and I don't know that many fans recognize this, and even it took me a while the realizes that practice reps aren't doled out evenly in the NFL. You're the third string guy. You're getting barely any in the majority of your snaps. Come as a scout guy sort of giving the offense or defense other looks? So as you mentioned Thomas POWs not getting nearly. As many practice repetitions as the team would like, but he's still has to be ready to go in. And you brought up a good point with cover too. And this recognition of forty Niners defense any other. I mean these cover to principals about where you have leveraged where you have help what you can't get beat on. Because sometimes that's part of the teaching technique is saying look just don't get beat on. This Powell has to know that whether he's getting the practice reps or not and so his his technique there, and or rather lack thereof or a lack of a an understanding of where the threat or the soft zones, and the defense are is pretty disconcerting from a from a long-term development regard that I don't know how this team sees how this player could develop if he can't really play with an defensive at least in that very basic level. Then you've got the second touchdown. It's third and goal from the nine with thirty nine seconds left. Thirty nine seconds of this is basically the game winning play. The cardinals come out in eleven personnel and a two by two formation with Christian Kirk as the one receiver to the left and tied on Ricky seals Jones in the left slot. He's the number two receiver the forty Niners are uncover for which is a pretty good defense for this formation a two by two you've got cover four. That's great. We're all solid seems like he's learning. He's not calling as much cover three in the red zone as he did early in the season. He's got to high safety looks here. And this is great. The defense looks well primed to be able to defend the whatever. Arizona's going to throw at them Witherspoon is out wide Powell is matched up versus the tight end in the slot. Well seals Jones runs an out route and Kirk runs a dig this should be a simple pass off on a two man concept between Witherspoon and Titus Powell and Witherspoon handles this perfectly. He is there. And he takes the tight end who's breaking out in the. His own but Powell takes a step towards the tight end on the out cut, and that's just enough for Christian coat to get right behind him. And all of a sudden you've got a touchdown with thirty on that play. And Josh Rosen knows exactly what he's going to do any throws it, right? As he's breaking behind times Powell. I mean on the game Thomas pal earned a twenty seven point five coverage grade, and this is exactly why. When you've got your third string player who can execute doesn't matter. What defense you call? It doesn't matter. If you're going up against a rookie quarterback. You have to be able to execute on your third string safety just isn't going to do it. And that's how you end up losing eighteen to fifteen these are common sort of issues that you might see from a lack of practice reps together. Right Witherspoon, not rather Powell not really knowing if Witherspoon is going to be able to take that out or jump that out or whatever you wanna call it as outcomes into zone, but overall in terms of principles of the defense. This is high school football stuff. This sort of passing off. Routes in a cover for cover to shell Powell needs to know that and like you mentioned him taking that step to the to the tight end in the NFL those windows. That's that's all it takes in the quarterbacks looking for that exact step, and he's an anticipated in that if he gets that to throw it now, and that was all it took for Kirk to get behind him. Kirk is not Christian Kirk is not some stud receiver to spend in the league with a ton of nuance and veteran presence and yet the forty Niners. At least you have have done well to make him look like a serviceable if not much better receiver, and I know that their offense didn't look great until really that fourth quarter. But it showed up when it needed to in the forty Niners. Didn't in the coverage. Great from Powell was indicative of this stark contrast that when these top guys go out these starters, go out there's not really the depth needed to continue to compete, and it's starting to show more and more every week as the injuries keep coming. And so I think you'd get to other drive selling mistakes. You've got of course, the zone read in the red zone late which was a bit of a bobbled kind of mesh point. And so the Niners are driving and all of a sudden you bobble the snap CJ Beathard. It can only gain a yard. It puts you behind the sticks. And now it changes the way that you call the other plays in that drive. You've got the high snap, of course, which may have cost a chance at overtime, which is probably a blessing in disguise to be honest with you because you have your backup center in Eric Magnusson who sounds like you should be dead lifting five hundred pounds and maybe not playing center. And then you've got Josh Rosen who decided he was going to be phenomenal under pressure. And this is ultimately I think what sowing the game he was only pressured on twenty two point on twenty two percent of his dropbox which was just about half the right that he was pressured the first time the Niners played the cardinals. But he had one hundred and four point two rating and a touchdown went under pressure. And when blitz specifically this includes some plays where he was blitz, but he was not an oppression. He was four for six. For fifty five yards. That's nine point two yards per attempt and his passing grade was eighty five point five. So really the I think the difference in this game is that Josh Rosen as a quarterback was able to step up and make plays against a talent deficient forty Niners team. And they were able to execute the Niners weren't and that's what swings to scores. And that's what's swung the game. I wonder if like you mentioned Josh Rosen improving as a quarterback maybe Byron left, which paring down the playbook a little bit. And giving him some some things that they knew he could be comfortable with. But just looking at that percentage from a philosophical standpoint thinking about a rookie quarterback on a bad team with about offensive line. Not tremendous outside weapons it receiver and trying to get after a player. I just don't know that pressuring him on twenty two percent of his drop accent institute. He did. Well, when he was pressured, but I wonder if you if you ramp up that percentage of pressure what what? Has statistically what it might? Look like, I think as you mentioned Josh Rosen played well and played well enough to win the game there at the end. But I have to think that the forty Niners defense had they brought more pressure would have found significantly more success long, you know, throughout the entire game. Yeah. Well, I think this gets to kind of the point that we're making right, which is that you can't just will pressure into existence. You could maybe Blitzer of a little bit more. But the Niners still needs someone who can consistently pressure the passer until they have that they're not going to be able to put teams away and Shanahan alluded to that specifically in his post-game conference press conference when he said that you know, we just we need people to close the game out. And I think he's talking specifically about pass rusher. So yeah, I think if that's what what cost us the game in short. That's that's great. That's we're going to talk about what cost us the game. I think a lot more of this season as we progress. But it still doesn't mean that there aren't little moments of greatness within the game that are super interesting and super fun to watch. And for me honestly this game. It was the running game. And it was Shanahan's run calls because Shanahan doesn't just call pass place against the cardinals the drive across the third quarter and the fourth quarter that was the forty Niners. The most successful drive of the day was really really it was awesome to watch happen. Play after play after play. They started the drive and they're running an inside zone. Okay. It's a punch to the inside. It doesn't do all that much. But it's it's the opening blow at the drive a couple of plays later after play action pass their own opinion poll concept. So you're hitting the defense of the outside. That's a big gainer pinton poll is a great concept of basically combined some gap zone concepts and allows players to get to the edge with down. Block from kindle and kindle now is basically taking a run blocking victim just about every week and smash them to the ground. And this was almost not quite but almost couple plays later, you've got a fullback trap, which is another inside quick hitting play poor defensive tackle ends up on all fours, and then gets just squished on by the pulling guard with hilarious, and then it just continues from there. And it's just you've got these amazing plays Shanahan is hitting you inside. He's sending you outside. He's hitting you with play action. And it's just an amazing thing to see all of these plays come together. And we haven't even gotten to my favorite play. Which is a toss. Rian shovel. It's a phenomenal. Option play. I mean, I it's a beauty to watch call Shanahan's offense, even in a losing effort. Which is why I think it's still fun to pull these bits out. Even though the game didn't turn out in the win loss record exactly where we wanted. It. It absolutely is. It's still fun. It's really really impressive to watch and just like players or players in any game football basketball. Whatever is just as they can get in a rhythm play. Caller, skin, get in a rhythm, and you can see when cow Shanahan gets in that rhythm. Whether it's his first scripted drive or whether it's some of these mid game drives where he's made a judgment. And it's it's like a heavyweight boxer. That's that's mixing up punches in terms of landing spots and punch style. Where as you mentioned all these plays that you're going through there, so versatile, it's such a unique scheme that you don't see this much efficiency from a team doing these this many different things at such a good looking level. I think some of that comes from George Kittle being an absolute monster. Athletically, really showing up as a versatile weapon that can blow run block come in from Iowa can do all of that. Well, but what he does in terms of high energy athleticism and being a threat in the past game. I think has made boxes a little bit easier for them to deal with in overall. You're seeing a scheme that if there is a silver lining to some of these losses. This scheme works the scheme works well for the most part they're playing with with poor. I don't wanna say poor because they do have some players but overall not ideal talent particularly at skill positions. And these these plays are still being run at a really effective level. They look really good. The simple fact that Cal Shanahan has the twenty second ranked offense based on PF Fs kind of Massey ranking which takes players grades into account with a backup quarterback for the majority of these games is phenomenal. He's literally taking a replacement level player, and he's making them into like the outskirts of average, and that's pretty phenomenal. I think personally, and that's exactly why think call Shanahan should continue to. I I would love to see Cal Shannon, complete his contract and get an extension because I think he's the right man for the job, but the running game even though the plays were called, and they were called well the running back timeshare is a little suspect. And now, of course, Matt Breda he's seemingly coming back to health. Most seems a bit like a revelation. But now we've kind of got this third wheel. If you will that seems to be robbing important touches from players that maybe should be getting them. Absolutely. When the forty Niners began the season. I think the loss of jerick McKinnon the unexpected loss of jerick McKinnon for the season sort of through an immediate wrench in their plans because up until then they didn't know that map. Brea was going to be who he is CJ Beathard is this backup that is sort of running college Shanahan's offense who has them sort of that twenty second rank as you mentioned. But man, Breda up until this year was considered the backup running back as well. So in theory, they've really got to starters at these premier skill positions that the forty Niners wanted to utilize. They've actually got two backups there rather than their first the two starters that that are hurt breed. It however is played as is obviously somebody that's a much higher level than just your standard backup. What's happening behind read, though is really intriguing for a variety of reasons. I think they signed Alfred Morris with a little bit of a haste and not necessarily that the signing was poor. But that they needed to find somebody that should breed and not be what he has been. Could in theory be the lead back in and Hans offense and not long term. We're talking a year. Maybe two is a backup. But ideally, McKinney McKinnon's coming back. So that you're not looking for a guy to be your long term fix here. It was going to be somebody that could come in off the street learning the playbook quickly and do well enough. So they signed Alfred Morris. The problem is he's getting more touches than he should now. Now that we recognize it Mabry too can be a starting running back in the NFL the backup behind him regime. Oester is actually balling out as well. And he should be receiving really the flip of the the touches that they're getting right now. Alfred Morris is getting has on the season Eighty-three touches for an average of four point two yards per, touch, and that average is actually going down. Whereas we're he most has thirty three touches for an average of six point one yards. And he has some big plays. But on the whole he's running hard running. Well Morris has two fumbles to just one for most. So by many sort of on field metric. Whether we look at sort of a speed and explosiveness standpoint when we look at average yards per, touch, what most can do is receive in many ways, most seems to be at least now the more productive and better player throw in the fact that he's probably a long-term course, special teamer if they want him, and it's hard to see why Alfred Morris is continuing to get critical carries. When Moster is showing a skill set that might actually rival the other two backs on the roster or the other two backs that we're going to be on the roster in Breda in McKinnon, and I wonder how that that snap share might be switching or ought to switch moving forward. I totally agree with you. I think this is this is I think the conflict that Kyle Shanahan feels between knowing he probably needs to evaluate players. But also understanding that he trusts a couple of guys, and he's got his people, and and he needs to give them SAM's because he thinks that they're going to get him closer to winning the game. And this is this is the conflict that he's gotta run into. And I don't envy the man because he's he's gotta make some tough decisions. But I one hundred percent agree with you. I think most is more productive more explosive. And I think he should be getting the lion's share of carries at this point. I think that Morris should be getting close to maybe like, maybe maybe short yard is touches maybe. And even then I probably think that's too much. But there are lots of places where the forty Niners should probably try out there young talent. And I think we're gonna get to see some of that against the raiders maybe with Tarbert more here in just a couple of weeks. But there's there's one more. I think player that you wanted to talk about before we get to our spotlight players. So let's let's. Talk a little bit about Reuben foster because he's you know, he's playing with now with like only two a four appendages. He's he's kind of fifty percent of the bandages that are working and the dude still plan. He is in credit to Reuben foster. He plays hard and he's not gonna make excuses, but he suffered a hamstring injury late in the first half against the cardinals. He didn't come back. And that's one of the first times that we've seen sort of him. Not do that on the field off the field dance in games. He's officially been ruled out for Thursday night's game against Oakland. And I think that's actually a good thing. Because it's been very clear since the start of the season after serving the two-game suspension and coming back. He's just not the same player that he was last year. I don't believe that this is a long term thing. I don't believe that Reuben foster was a flash in the pan. And now, suddenly he's a bad player. But I do believe that he's banged up. And that it's he's banged up to the point where he actually can't play the way that he plays and the way that he plays his what makes him special, right? He's not some massive run thumping linebacker that would without, you know, without a good leg can still just. Fill the gap. This is a player that has to rely on speed and power and athleticism really explosiveness also to be ineffective linebacker, and he just hasn't had that this year. And I'm I'm not excited. But I'm glad to see that they're sitting him for this week, and that he's going to hopefully, take some time to recover. Ironically. What we are also seeing that his backup allies Lee at least in terms of PF grading is playing significantly better in many important categories than Reuben foster comparatively their grades this season Elisha lease overall PF grade is sixty seven point five, which is above average. Whereas Reuben foster is forty two point nine and below average against the run allies lease in the mid sixties and fosters hovering right around that fifty Elisha Lee is a tackler is almost at eighty Mark. He's at seventy eight point seven whereas Reuben foster is at twenty eight point three this is at the linebacker position. You've got a linebacker that at least by PF grading is a very very poor tackler. Lastly in coverage illogically is almost twenty points or twenty grade points higher than Reuben foster. So across the board allies Lee is outperforming him and certainly sample size matters here a little bit because Ruben foster Ben on the field sort of terms of snap count more than allegedly. But when Foster's not healthy. He's not he's not good. He's not good at what he does. Well, and it's showing on the field that he can't play at the level that he ought to. So is the season moves forward. It's going to be interesting to see if the forty Niners actually give him the time that he needs to sit. Because as you look at this roster up and down, it's not competing. There's no need for Reuben foster to remind us all how tough is we get it. Let allies leaky playing at least for another week or two because to typically he's actually the better player right now. We both went through scouting academy. And we both completed for modules, but we both had to go through the intro module. And one of the things that stuck with me among other things because it was it was a great course. But one of the things that I remember was Dan happened. He's that the scouting director. And basically our teacher for most of the course, he always preached context. One valuating player, you have to know as much as you can about the context in which that thing is happening. And there are some obvious things are things like the maybe the type of coverage they're playing or what the scheme asks them to do. But then there are other things like their injuries. You do expect that players play injured, but you have to take that into account when you're evaluating that player. And I think that's exactly what's happening with Reuben foster. I think the context of his career this is going to be his trough his dip, and he's going to go back to the heights that he was playing at last season. But I think he's just playing injured right now. I tuned out a clip a couple of weeks ago where he's literally running with one arm literally. His other arm is dead along his side. And he's trying to reach for a tackle with one arm. And I think that's affecting him. Who knows whether it's going to be a long term career effect kind of thing. But at the very least for now that's the context in which have to evaluate Reuben foster. And so, yeah, maybe he's playing a little better than them right now. But I don't think that in any way, shape or form that is a an indictment on the talented player that Israel in foster. I think to your point Jared, you're exactly right. Just sit the dude let the guy rest for a little bit. And and let's go ahead and play some players and continue marching towards that first overall pick because I think that's going to help the team more than a Aranda win here in the middle of the year. But let's get to the spotlight players. Let's get to your spa. I play I because it is a rookie. That's been getting a a lot of pub lately because he is the best at his position in his class. Who's or spotlight player? My spotlight player this week is Mike mcglinchey who since the time the forty Niners drafted him and cliche coming your way. But he's not a sexy pick, right? The off. Offensive line. I was a position that needed to be evaluated long-term, whether they had Trent Brown and Joe Staley or not it was something that they needed to look out for the future. And I really identify who was going to eventually be the quote, unquote, left tackle of the future. But it's not an ideal position to take in the top ten by many standards because people want to see the premier edge pass rusher. The quarterback the you know, the really breakout superstar player when Mike mcglinchey has been that in week five. He was on the pro football focus team of the week all across the NFL for dominating at his position October twenty fifth. He had a seventy eight point four overall grade as the best rookie offensive lineman in the league, not tackle. But best rookie entire offensive linemen. And this week. He improved even more his overall grade now sits eighty point two, and that's six points ahead of the second place player, which by PF metrics is actually quite a bit. He continues to do well in just about every manner almost one. A week. You see one of those dominant run blocking performances where he he shows everything that you want to see from a long-term player in regards to speed and power to get outside on the edge. He has the understanding of leverage in angles to meet second level defenders in gaps or or as they scrape across his the strength to anchor against very good pass rushers. And every once in a while he's going to get beep. But by and large he's playing very very well. And in a season that we see not so many players playing particularly well, it's really encouraging to see that John Lynch in cal- Shanahan in Adam Peters and who's ever part of this evaluation for a top ten overall pick. They knocked this one out of the park. Mike mcglinchey is an absolute stud. I spotlight player this week is going to be Jakubowski tart, he had a very very good game against the cardinals than I think that you can judge that based on what happened when he left the forty Niners definitely felt as absence. We we talked about what happened when his backups came into the game. But he had a textbook interception earlier in the game where he he faked like he was gonna blitz drops into a hook zone and reads the quarterbacks is brakes on it. And eventually gets the pick basically the he got something that the forty Niners defense has not been able to do that especially considering he dropped one the week before. I think it's a good comeback budget costs guitar overall in his last four games he has performed a lot better than he has the beginning of the year. Three of the last four games. He's grated above a seventy two. And of course, anything in the seventies is above average. And that's exactly the type of player that we thought we were going to get all told with Jakubowski tarp because at his peak. That's where he was he was a kind of the high end of above level. And he was definitely trending towards that place. Now that he was finally getting healthy. But now, of course, he's injured. He's been ruled out for Thursday. And we'll see what happens when when the forty Niners have the trot out. I guess a backup to a backup here against the raiders. But for me Jakubowski tart played a hell of a game. He finally got that coveted turnover and he was trending up before injured liked to see them really quickly. I was just would love to see him play an entire sixteen games. Because this feels like this has been the maybe the third time that he's been with the forty Niners in his Ben sort of at this precipice of being a really high level starter. It's too bad that that this continues to happen for him. Yeah. Because I guess he broke his arm last year and then the year before was his rookie year. And I don't know that he played a ton. I think he played a little bit. But yeah, I mean, I think you know, injuries obviously are just like everything else they're gonna regress to and fro. And hopefully, we're going to get back to two more normal injury things because I don't know that it makes sense that every single player that we have that that matters is injury prone. I think some of this is going to regress back to the the non injury me next season when we're going to I think have a more complete and better team around a quarterback who has actually been played the start are being paid to start. But let's get to the really quickly. I want to talk before we get to the raiders game. I wanna talk a little bit about the trade deadline because just about everyone in forty nine or phantom basically had a meltdown because we were not adding talent. And I think we have opposing views on one specific player. And I want to hear why you think maybe adding someone like Dante Fowler. There was a was the right decision. Maybe a decision that was missed by the forty Niners. Of course, if you missed it if you've been living under a rock Dante Fowler was traded to the Los Angeles Rams who are all in. They traded a third round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year for the basically an eight game rental on Dante Fowler because his contract is up at the end of the year. The Jackson not exercise his fifth year option. So he's on the final year of his deal and the Rams picked him up as maybe a piece to help them get to the Super Bowl. And I think that is not move on ener should make. I think though that you think otherwise. So so walk me through your thinking, I don't think otherwise. So I actually agree with you. But I was trying to rationalize this from a fan perspective or from a from the opposite viewpoint because I've actually in agreement with you here that the Rams got Dante Fowler because the Rams want to win the Super Bowl this year the forty Niners because they're also exactly Uber bowl. So there's no need to go. Get Dante Fowler. Because Dante is actually not that. Great. But if he hits for the rain and tastic they won their one Super Bowl. But no, I totally agree with you. I think Fowler Fowler is good. And honestly, the shitty thing is is that Fowler would probably be the best edge rusher on the forty Niners. Quarter would be and he he is in my mind, a situational pass rusher that is where he excels. But if we wanted to situational pass rusher, we could go get Elvis Duma Ville, bad dudes, still hanging out somewhere. And I think that that's the kind of thing that you would get from someone like Don Fowler, a third and a fifth is a lot to give up when your most valuable asset right now is your draft position that that's how you want to build your team when Cal Shanahan and John Lynch talked about building this team long-term. That's what they're talking about. They're talking about not kind of throwing all your chips into the table unless it is your time to do. So there are certain teams that should do that. The Rams are one of them. They have a rookie quarterback on or they have a quarterback on his rookie deal. And that is probably the most valuable asset and football a good quarterback on his rookie deal. Means you can spend a ton of money everywhere else and really increase your chances to win the Super Bowl. And that's what the Rams are doing. I think the. Philadelphia Eagles are doing much the same. They are teams that understand that their position right now, they have to go all in this first window before they have to retool and change the way the roster's constructed and then attack in another window the Niners. Unfortunately, didn't get the benefit of having a quarterback on his rookie deal. That was good. They jumped straight to the second contract quarterback. And that means that they have to find officiency is in the way that they pay their players and efficiencies in the way that they find other premier positions. And that I think to me means they have to find eggs rusher in the draft. If you're not gonna pay your quarterback rookie contract, then pay your premier edge rusher at a rookie wage scale, and you're getting an inefficiency on one of the other kind of coveted positions in the NFL. So that's why I don't think it makes sense to take an eight game rental on Fowler. Because the price was too high. You're not gonna win anything this year. And then there's no guarantee that you sign him. And if you franchise them, you're paying eighteen nineteen million. And he is not eight thousand nine hundred million dollars. Good. He just isn't. He's not like you mentioned the forty Niners. Third round. Pick is going to be somewhere in the sixties the late sixties at best. And the Rams third round. Pick is going to be closer to the late ninety s. So in terms of overall, the forty Niners definitely could not spend that kind of capital on this player. They're not anywhere near close eight-game rental for Dante Fowler to do what to come in. Even if the forty Niners. Just absolutely run the table with Dante Fowler. Suddenly this premier pass rusher. And yes, he's definitely upgrade over caches Marsh. But but for what to go nine and seven to definitely not compete for for the Super Bowl. So like you mentioned the Rams the chiefs. The I can't remember the other the other team you mentioned gives me the eagles. But all those teams at the rookie quarterback's. Yeah. You're you're the team that goes out and gets these guys. And that's exactly what we're seeing. Chiefs are spending money to get premier players Rams built a defensive a ton of high priced players because they're going to do it for a year or two, and then they're going to hope that they've cashed out and actually won a Super Bowl or two in that window, but overall the meltdown over the non non noise or the lack of stuff happening in Santa Clara during this trade deadline is a little overblown because the forty Niners aren't in a position to start buying players for eight games to try and make this final playoff push. It just it's absurd to me to think that everyone thinks that you should just continue to spend all of your resources all your valuable resources on players that aren't really going to help the larger plan. I think it was always year three when Shanahan was going to really make the push for the kind of dominance that we would love to see from this team. And I think the injury definitely sets the team back. But next year is still the year where you're really gonna see I think some of those moves I think in year four is where you start to see the forty Niners making some of these moves, but that's after they've been able to draft an edge rusher or two in the draft. I mean, you think about Fowler Fowler was of course, drafted high. But what are the what are the Jags? Do that drafted in a always gonna screw up his name you? It's it's a tradition that you have the script someone's name here on the better idols podcast, so Jahic and Gakugei housing. Yeah. That's not the one you're screwing up tonight. Then because I was good that apparently, but Yana can Gakugei. It was a player they drafted later because they pick up to address in the same draft. And I think that's what the Niners should do that pick up to drafts pick up two players in the same draft increase your chances. The draft is an absolute crap shoot. That is what everyone's like. Oh, well, this team doesn't know how to drive they drafted Solomon Thomas, and blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, you know, what the all of the math about the draft says that the one is really bad. And no one is really good. It's a lot of chance and like that's involved. Adam feeling is the perfect example of like if if drafting were really a science, Adam dealing would never have slipped through the ten pick. And yet he exactly that's exactly right. And yet there is a lot of variability, and there's no GM that has it all figured out. And so there are going to be GM's that have good years and bad years, and they have ups and downs. And you want to increase your chances of hitting on a player. And that's why you take to address. There's this is why Washington taking. Quarterbacks are G three and Kirk cousins, you know, you look at which one panned out. It was cousins it's the same thing then under should do that. And what they need to do. That is picks that don't need to give up picks on one player. Who's not worth a franchise tag is definitely not an as you mentioned the forty Niners as they continue to build these picks, or rather, you know, stockpile these picks just looking ahead at the draft class. This next year is not particularly good. So to trade your picks away and have less capital less ammunition to be able to maneuver around the board to get the few guys that you need because when healthy the forty Niners, aren't terribly far away. But they do have a couple of very specific positions that they need to target the more immunization that they have to do. So the more that they can maneuver around to get exactly where they want to. And you only do that by having more picks to use his draft capital. The more that they can move around the better they're going to be moving forward. Trading. Those picks for a short sighted move is is in this case. A good evaluation by John Lynch, Adam Peters in their team to say, thanks, but no things especially when you look at the draft classes here at rusher. This is going to be the class to get an edge rusher because there are so many quality Ed Russia's near the top as compared to last year. Whether it was like, basically, two players one was chub the other was Davenport. And then some people had a boner for Josh sweat. And basically only one of them is turned out to be like super amazing and Chubb because he's had, you know, of course, von Miller on the other side of the Denver defense. He's also been okay. But not great. And that's it the the basic three players, and I think in this year's draft. You've got a lot more. And so this is the drop to get an edge player and the Niners need ammo to do that they do need ammo. And they've got like you mentioned this is a great year for it. They've got the time to spend evaluating these players that they're going to see in the top ten the forty Niners, obviously, you'd like to lend at first and be able to go get Nick Bosa. But if they don't there's gonna be some some. The second second dairy secondary choices there that that they're going to like. The only reason I didn't start watching film this week is because it was a short week and we half game on Thursday. But if not I probably be watching the film tomorrow gotta do it gotta start getting prepared tomorrow tomorrow Thursday night or today when you listen to this. This is the original this is Bosa preparation the forty Niners are playing this game entirely in preparation for Bosa. At the exactly right. So speaking of this game. All right. Let's talk about the final battle of the bay man before the raiders moved to Las Vegas, and they fully embraced their land. Locked pirate core the the battle for Mandalay bay. The. Oh, well done little Casado word play. Man. I like it. So this is now we're in the throes of the blow it for both tournament. I mean, this is it we are moving on to the semifinals before of course, the finals against the giants. And both of these teams are just not good. I mean, the raiders when you look at their overall Massey rankings their low ranking overall puts them at thirty first the Niners are at twenty eighth. Of course. Ella ranking is PF Fs ranking that takes into account the strength of opponent who they beat who. They who they didn't be and put that into a ranking the raiders offense is twenty eighth the Niners offenses twenty-second. This is of course, PFC offensive ranking defensive ranking the raiders are twenty-ninth the Niners thirty I this is basically going to be a lot of players and end two teams that are just not very good at football. That are bumping uglies. And it might come down to quite frankly, the quarterback because Derek Carr is not bad at football and CJ Beathard and Nick Mullins. May actually be bad at football. Definitely not as good or rather. Derek Carr is definitely not as bad as they might be. We're going to see an ugly Thursday night game. I just don't think that there's any other way to slice this. We see ugly Thursday night games between decent teams and two teams that are coming off of an another poor loss. Rough seas a rough season for the forty Niners. The raiders are trending sort of. I don't know if you can trend up, but they sort of beat the defeated. The Derek Carr noise about wondering if their quarterbacks crying. So if there is a sort of upward projection for either these teams, it's probably the raiders. But in either case, they're not particularly good either. Is that their biggest one of the season? It has the defeating the the perception that their quarterback was crying that might be their biggest one of the year. It seemed like that's where they put all their effort, quite frankly. I mean, the tight end came out and had this long soliloquy about Derek and Derek Carr. I'm sure as a phenomenal player, but. Why are we spending time discussing whether a quarterback was crying? Neither of your teams are good one of your coaches is not good definitely being overpaid. You're leaving for Vegas with that stadium. That's falling apart in a fan base. It's angry Thursday night is not going to be particularly fun unless you want to sort of embrace the suck unless you are a major fan of the blow it for both attorney in which case this is this is exactly what you want to see on Thursday night. Let's, yuck. It up in front of everybody. While this one football outsiders has the Niners as leading the league in the percentage chance of getting the number one overall pick it thirty two point six percent second place in that race is the raiders and they're at seventeen point one. And of course, the thing that might help the forty Niners is the fact that CJ Beathard while tough as all holy get out finally cracked his hand is injured no breaks. But it was definitely in a soft cast, and that's not good news. And that means that on a short week, it might be Mullins time and in the land of backups. Nick Mullins is maybe not king. But like, I don't know like the treasurer. He's like he's like not super important. But like, maybe he manages the money because in a very small preseason sample his forty-seven snaps super small sample Mullins was just about as good as bad third. They both had above average grades. Nick Mullins ranked fifteen out of fifty one quarterbacks with at least forty seven drawbacks in the preseason going up against backups. So look if you're looking for upside, if you're looking for any semblance, any glimmer of hope, it's that Nick Mullins may actually be a hidden gem. And he is just enough above average football that he could will this team to a win against the raiders defense that is porous at best. Either way I feel like this is a win win for the forty Niners in their front office. If they lose the game again as we mentioned with the cardinals the raiders are another one of those teams that are in contention for. Top-five pick and every win that they get particularly if it means a loss for the forty Niners is a good thing for the forty Niners. It on the flip side of that. If Nick Mones plays really, well, maybe he keeps playing in the forty Niners have an opportunity to evaluate him. I don't know. I do know Nick Mullins is not a long-term answer quarterback for the forty nine. No, no I ever. Maybe he's more than just a practice squad guy because the forty Niners seemed content to just hold two quarterbacks going into the regular season is the second year in a row. It looks like that's sort of the MO of this front office. So Nick Mones can become the guy is there some sort of, you know, whoa. New quarterback controversy here in in Santa Clara between CJ Beathard. And Nick Mullins in any case at least typically in the preseason. Nick Mullins didn't do too bad fans. Obviously love him and gave him the cameras a little cute nickname. I think it was Molins time or something which is sort of silly. It can't be everyone's time every time they do some a little little reductive. I think Garrett sell like what have something to say about that. He has to who hasn't. Ironically, had any sort of time lately he hasn't done very well. But nonetheless this game looks like it could come down to specifically who has the best quarterback. And whether it's Nick Mones or CJ Beathard it's a pretty obvious edge to the raiders provided. Jon Gruden doesn't get in the way. I think that you're absolutely right. I think oftentimes. The game is decided by the best quarterback in that quarterback in this game is a very very clearly Derek Carr, despite the fact that whether or not you think he wears guy liner or whether or not he cries effect is he is not playing terrible football this year. And when you think of the I think the chance the Niners have is that the raiders defense is incredibly porous there on the year, so far which is now adjusted for opponents is twenty-ninth the Niners defense just twenty four th so the Niners have a better defense in the raiders. The raiders are giving up running yards basically to everyone. And when you look at last week against the colts, they gave up three touchdowns tight ends. So I think that when you look at the Niners strength on offense the running game and in the receiving game. They're tight end. And when you look at what the raiders don't do. Well, which is defend the run and guard against tight ends. I think you have an opportunity for the Niners to score bunches of points in for the Niners. Now bunches of points means somewhere. North of twenty eight and that could be just enough if the Niners defense actually comes to play it. Absolutely. Could I think the forty Niners have a unique opportunity if there is one at least in this case to see how Shanahan stocks up against Jon Gruden who fifteen years ago was considered a strong offensive mind. But the raiders defense isn't particularly good either. In if the forty Niners can continue to score at least a little bit or or do score at least a little bit. They have an opportunity to win against a bad team, if they can create some, you know, Thursday night teams are tired and Beata bodies or sore. Maybe the forty Niners come out with a little bit of juice in energy in steal a couple early touchdowns on the raiders. All right. So which would you want as a fan as a human? It's the last battle the bay. There is this kind of intra bay rivalry between the raiders and the Niners, even though I guess it stopped being really a rivalry when they stopped playing in the preseason because people got a little stabby. So which would you prefer would you prefer losing this game? And effectively locking up a top two pick or winning this game and having perpetual bragging rights against the eventual Mandalay bay, raiders, and and kind of having those bragging rights until you're old and gray as it. Now, the forty Niners don't play the raiders very often anyways because of the violence in the stadium. So I'm all for lose this game. Who cares when you go to Las Vegas in a couple of years in theory will be better, and we can put it on him in. It'll be phenomenal. Until then we'll have to deal with the raiders fans that are all excited about getting that last win over a meaningless forty Niners. Team needs are not too high level franchises right now. This is not the Pittsburgh Steelers in the New England Patriots who for the last ten years or always in the playoffs is do teams that are at the bottom of the barrel. Right now struggling for any sort of competency, so a win at least in this case is absolutely meaningless. It doesn't do us any good. And I know it's really hard, but lose this one. Let it go everybody. Enjoy your Thursday night, stay safe, but let the raiders have this one. Absolutely agree. I think was better for the franchise is to just let it go. Man. Let it go. Like a frozen song. I'm sure there are it's Halloween. I'm sure there are lots of is out there just embrace the costume. Let it go. Let it be its own thing and off you go. But there are some matchups to watch though, there are a couple of things I will be watching number one Titus Powell versus Jared cook. Of course, we had a segment about as pal earlier. But Jared cook actually good at football. He leads all tight ends and targets inside the ten yard line. And while he's not the all world-beater tight end that maybe George kid'll. Is you think that that's a mismatch right now between Jared cook and Thomas pal, and that's what I'll be watching at least initially for when I'm watching the raiders offense. Is there any offense or any matchups that you'll be watching Jared? I'm excited for the match ups that actually aren't on the field. I wanna see cow Shanahan versus pug on who's in established defensive coordinator. But who is working with a very bad raiders defense? And while the forty Niners defense isn't particularly good caution and might be able to make this defense. Look, really, really bad. So without a premier edge rusher, which there's a cardinals do have Chandler Jones at both games has played very well against them. The raiders don't have that player. It may be Arden key is a rookie. You say he's kind of impressive. But he's still overweight and not that good. So I'm excited to see how cowshed hand exploited this matchup defensively, and sort of the flip side of that Jon Gruden who not so much anymore. But in his heyday was considered an offensive mastermind may have not sort of caught up with common NFL or modern NFL stuff. But I'm really excited to see how Robert saw continue sort of his development as a defensive coordinator going against arguably one of the best to do it in the last probably two decades. Do you do you think the raiders are going to actually play Bruce? And now that they didn't trade him. Because is that would be so uncomfortable. Because again, he's not like great at. But he's I mean, he's not bad at football. And he's good at rushing off the edge. And I think they were maybe kind of keeping him under wraps because they were hoping to trade him didn't happen in the fire sale. And now all of a sudden you've got a player that can actually rush the passer. I think about Arden key not great at least in your one. But I think hopefully, we don't see a ton of a Bruce Irvin. I will say this though, I'm throwing the gauntlet down right now on Thursday, if Jon Gruden runs spider to why banana, we both have to finish whatever drink is in front of our face, preferably alcoholic deal deal. That's the only that's the only reasonable. I wonder if he can get on the Thursday night broadcast headset, and let them know it's coming, you know, give him a little chance to get the little the play by play hit in. They're run run spider to banana just that might be a way to make this game. Exciting. Yeah. We'll just because it probably won't be particularly good. Just every play. You're just you're just hoping. So the other matchup watching George Kittle versus Karl Joseph one, Mr. Josep is five nine just five nine a shade. Under five ten we'll call it George Biddle taller than that. And George Biddle is also good at football. And so I'm hoping that George kill becomes more of a red zone target if the Niners get down into the red zone, which I would expect that they would at least a couple of times against this raiders defense. And so I think that Joseph because of that biblical mismatch may end up a little bit like Jimmy ward versus Brandon Marshall in the red zone. And so that's another place that I'll be watching for some ups. It's basically going to be all tight ends all day Erdei because those are the the only things to watch at this point at least in my eye. So that that's going to be it's going to be interesting. Honestly, I'm full confession. I'm not nearly as. Hyped about this, quote, unquote rivalry as I think other fans are I really couldn't care less. It's just not going to be a particularly good game in there is a way to embrace that in to enjoy his Thursday night football, and in some regards. That's nice, but on the whole this. This is going to be a game between two bad teams. And at least for the forty Niners. They could potentially be on their third string quarterback a guy that is only the third string quarterback. Because most teams don't wanna go to their third string quarterback is not like he had some pretty tonight. You know, you didn't have some tremendous season-long campaign was like we gotta get Nick Mullins back in here. He had some we had some fun in the preseason with him. But overall, this is not I don't know that this guys are ready to be on national television as a starting in a quarterback. And maybe I'm wrong. But to look at this game in and be excited in intimidating. Something magnificent is just not going to be it. All right. So hit me with your prediction. What happens the Niners are currently favored by two and a half points at home, which means it's effectively a pick em because. The home team usually gets three points. So what do you think is going to happen and the game? Do you think the Niners win did they win but don't cover? What's what's coming at you? I think the raiders win this one straight up. I don't know that it'll be by much because I don't think they're particularly good either. But I really have a hard time seeing I mean at least early on in terms of Levi stadium life these sort of a Thursday night game against the raiders between two bad teams. This is not the forty Niners are not as team that routinely cells that stadium out that fills out stadium regardless of the product on the field. So there's no real sort of quote unquote home field advantage here because the forty Niners aren't very good. So the stadiums not going to be particularly full anyways. But the plane the raiders who are also in the bay area. So there's going to be plenty of raiders fans in the stadium. So on the whole I don't know that this field in terms of advantage for the forty Niners is particularly strong. And because of that I think the raiders pull out a win against a bad 49ers team on a short week with a lot of dudes banged up. I think I'm gonna give you a choose your own adventure here. And I think that if Nick Mullins plays the the Niners probably end up losing because. Cars are much better quarterback than Nick Mullins. And oftentimes, I think games like this come down to maybe the best quarterback is. And that's clearly Derek Carr. I think if CJ Beathard ends up playing it, it's probably a little closer. But I do think at the very least the raiders cover, and if I were a betting man, and I'm not really into the whole Benton thing, I would probably about on the raiders to cover even onto two and a half point spread. I'd probably bet on the raiders to cover. I think that's wise. Overall, just not a particularly good looking weak for the forty Niners. The raiders aren't particularly good. But like you said it's a quarterback driven league. And right now head to head the raiders guy behind center is better than either that the forty Niners are gonna trot out tomorrow night. All right, man. Well, I think that wraps it up for this week show the game is tomorrow. So hopefully, everyone enjoys the Thursday game. If you are indeed going to the Thursday game be safe. Don't be dumb. It's just a football game. Enjoy it cheer yell scream, and then get home and be miserable at work on Friday because that's probably won't be doing. I actually have a meeting with my CEO tomorrow debating whether or not I should wear my Niners jersey is that that's where I'm at right now. Why are you leaning towards where it or not wear a man? I don't know. This is only the fourth time I've been in a work meeting. Like, we've said, hi and and near the coffee station. I'll hey, how's it going below blonde near the urinals at one point? He's at urinal talker. Which is weird socio? Is that anything worse? But no never in a work meeting like well, maybe probably time primetime NFL game with Nicole quarterback. But otherwise, yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, I'm probably leaning towards learning some kind of Niners paraphanelia it'll be confident it'll be a conversation pretending all right man working. They follow you on Twitter. Jared follow me on Twitter at Jared. Brown. Underscore J E R O D Brown underscore. I promise. This is all gonna get better. There's it can only go up because we just keep losing in acquiring draft capital. We are below in it for Bosa. Absolutely. And you can always follow me at better rivals. You can see my Solomon Thomas article about why he should be playing on the inside on Niners nation. You can see. See all the clips of the run game that I was talking about earlier this episode on the Twitter's at better rival, so thanks again, everyone for tuning in have a fantastic Thursday night football. And as always go Niners. Hey, I'm an ill. 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Better Rivals Ep. 313: From Navy SEALs to stolen manhood. A breakdown of the NFC Championship game.

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Better Rivals Ep. 313: From Navy SEALs to stolen manhood. A breakdown of the NFC Championship game.

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How Popular Music Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller? Thanks around eighty five. They're going to go inside a breakout. He won't let him out. Welcome to this week's edition of the niners nation dot com better rivals podcast. My name is Oscar and this week your San Francisco Forty niners are NFC NFC champions. Mike rebels manhood is still intact but according to Troy Aikman the packers might need to check for. There's and with me this week to tell us what cheeseburger he'd celebrate Br with for an NFC championship. Win David Newman man polio. Spa Right away with the cheeseburger. This this is what Andy Reid did after he when he said he celebrated Burger and went to bed sounds glorious perfect. I want to hear yourself cheeseburger. Man There's so many good ones I would go. Oh probably I mean I'm GonNa. I'm obviously go with the place. That's here in Austin. I'm not going like national chain. I think that's a mistake would continue. Wow really oh yeah if you if you get a celebratory cheeseburger cheeseburger. You want literally on a platter. Why are you combined by geography? Oh ooh I liked options here. All right we'll give me. I'm going to go hop dotty hop dotty Marianne all right good choice. I'm going to go with cheval in Chicago. It is the single most delicious cheeseburger ever had in my life. Never been to Chicago It's amazing the city is pretty fun. cheeseburger definitely worth it. Let's talk about the change of game because man it was a fun one and there's so before we actually get into the game. I Like I think cal. Shannon is both a savage average and like a little dark so so I don't know if you've heard about this but the apparently he had a navy seal come to talk to the team the Saturday before the game and the navy seal told the story. About how sometimes in combat you know finishing the job might mean drowning and enemy. WHO's scratching and clawing lying and fighting for his life and as a soldier? You gotTa beat back all resistance holding this enemies head underwater until quote. The last bubble was gone. And honestly my God I like clearly. The team took it to heart. Because that's exactly what they did to the the packers. I'm not sure how I feel about this. We're not ready for that. Apparently the players wouldn't even talk about like the nature of the story the seal share. They just said that it was like it was just about that. which is wild? I don't know if that's actually getting me ready to play just making me feel. Yeah Real fucking sad. Yeah I mean look the niners completely defeated suffocated. beat up defenestrate. Pick your word but there was no way that the packers deserve to be on that field with the niners. It was ugly man. I mean we were watching the game and it was just like I. I don't know what in some point in the second quarter we're dislike. Yeah God this is pathetic. I Love Games like this. I mean yeah like as obviously like a a niners fan and having strong rooting interest in how the outcome of the game. It's nice when it decided pretty early like that. You need is Kinda relaxed but I mean like it. It was just step back from that for a second. You just kind of look at things through that Green Bay lands and it was just like this is just awful like it's just kinda pathetic back what's happening right now. Yeah it's pretty bad. I mean there's no there was the game was decided at halftime. When you look at the drives that the packers had over the the course of the game it was basically they're opening drives where punt punt punt bumble interception punt again? That's a hell of a start. That's a hell of a start and honestly like for the for the game to get out of hand and for the niners to be able to run the ball exactly like they did against the packers. A lot of things have to go right and a lot of things have to go wrong to abandon the past game in today's NFL and we'll start first with CAL Shanahan scheme because it definitely got him. Some wins and Shannon we talked a bit about Shanahan is often viewed as a wide zone coach outside zone coach. But if you WANNA point to anyone to say the run game from the the niners is more than just the wide zone this is the game you point to because they had inside zone outside zone that runs that guard leaves at fullback lead that crack toss tossed that trap plays. I mean you name it. They ran it and successfully against the packers. Yeah and I think the fun thing like the interesting thing to me about how even just when you kind of zero in on the zone run stuff specifically right because that is still like. That's the bread and butter of what they do soup. That's what they do best for sure and so but when you look at that and you compare it to other zone running games I think even what the niners are doing. The season especially in this game was obviously a great example of it is so unique in that. It's not the typical like we're just going to string everything to the sideline right. We got our offense flying trying trying to get a bunch of reach blocks everywhere and it just like that over and over and over again right and what you see from them as using like really a lot more like gap scheme mm-hmm ideas right so like when you say lose power encounter where you've got these polars you've got down blocks on place I'd like you're you're really trying to create these advantageous angles right. You're trying to give blockers the best angle that they can to get to the guy that they need to block and what you see from the niners zone game is a lot of wrinkles that her set up like that you think some of the Bax right they kind of a lot of the zone stuff. Almost reflects like a little bit of that gap scheme idea idea in that. We just WanNa sit like me. And that's why he loves to use a fullback. Right is is like when you do that rather than my double team needing to get up to a place. I'd linebacker which can be a really tough blocked. Make well now. We can work to like a guy. That's maybe bummer. Back one backside right and so that's a much easier angle for my offensive Lineman to get up to that linebacker level and and actually have a chance a good chance at reaching that guy in getting to them and so it's just little things like that that he does that puts his offensive line in this offense like in the best is possible situation to succeed and the formation certainly helped because he knows that that one of the Smith brothers is GonNa is going to basically stay outside the tight end so he basically motions the tight end puts them on the edge. And now you've got this huge bubble this huge gap that you can begin to attack. And that's exactly what the niners did on one of the on the first touchdown run to moster Mr that third and eight play. Mike mcglinchey talked about this post game with Matt Maiocco and said that call I think mcglinchey daily talked about this on different pods but the the call was installed specifically because they knew that the packers were very aggressive and had a lot of exotic fronts on third and longs and they knew that they basically basically the Smith brothers. We're GONNA shoot UPFIELD. Try to rush the passer and they'd be able to get a long run or a first down off of trap action based on on the aggressiveness of those edges. And so what do they do. It's third and eight. It's the second drive after they go three now all of a sudden you basically have motion. You've got three receivers to one side and you've got your back that side as well so I think four receivers over that you've got a complete weakside and just basically let the edge rusher go unblocked and then you let another guy come through and trap him with someone who's pulling and now you've got numbers on the edge a wide open gap and fast astronaut. Who's going to score that touchdown on third eight and just no support either because they're all in man coverage exactly and got all the other side and so yeah everybody like? Nobody's focused on the run. Initially right they're all kind of keyed Keating on the receiver that they're in man coverage on and so there's just no support players there to kind of like pursue and even like attempt to recover the fact that yeah they're down essentially a gap right where they run is hitting and they don't have the numbers over there that they need to be able to defend all of that and yeah you just. I see stuff like that throughout the game. I mean I was obviously a great example in. It's just it's wild. How often you see Kyle Shannon you hear stories about him saying like this is what we're going to run this play call at this time? This is how the defense is going to react in. Like we're GONNA score. We're GONNA get a big play on this and like it actually play out that that way. It's insane well. The cold open for the show today was from inside the NFL on HBO or Showtime One of the two. It's on showtime recorded if it was HBO And Pass interference play where he sees that they're in man coverage and he looks at the leverage that vendor and he's like look he's GonNa break inside and then he's going to try to come back he's not GonNa let let him poor darnold savage. I think it was Redman. Redmond Right Donald Savage made his own stakes over the course of this because you talked about the packers being a gap light or being a gap short in the run game in that happened often and in some cases it was done because of the forty niners scheme. But a Lotta Times I honestly the packers just kind of did it themselves. And there was one place specifically with darnall savage where he is basically locked on kill and he has is is on capitol. He's not going anywhere else. Apparently the entire meeting over the course of the week from Mike Patton average was like. You've got kittle. Don't let them out of your sight but but apparently savage just took that to mean. I can't see anything else because he completely he's got kittle on the edge on one of most long runs. I think it was on a TV. Run and kittle stays in to block. Because he's so worried about the damn screen or about anything that kills going to do. He completely vacates the gap that he's got a cover. He's the only support player there and the seas part and regime Oester does thing. I mean they were playing out of position they they were any of them when they were in position they were not doing so very well and it just just everything was going the niners way not just because of the players they called but because the packers defense was completely out of sorts. Yeah I think it's it it every level right I think schematically you have an advantage with with what forty niners are doing. You know offensively in in in kind of the wrinkles that they're implementing there in the run game from a personnel standpoint. Just kick that shit out you you know like there's a lot of plays where it wasn't necessarily like a scheme related issue right. Where they they've got the guys down there? They've got another an eighth man in the box. You know. They're dropping not safety down there planning bear front. They're really trying to get the guys in there to solve and stop the run and they just all get beat up front right you get you get an entire higher. Defensive Line reached on one. Play right or the one thing. I didn't notice when I was watching the game. Live because you think to yourself. Oh Mike Patton is going to adjust he just pretty quickly by the second quarter order. The packers were running a bear front and bear front is basically where you're going to have both regards and your center covered and so you've got a nose tackle and people over the guards. This entire formation is intended to stop the run. That's what it's there and then you get you get to outside linebacker away. A lot of teams do it now is like In addition to that. So you've got all three of your interior offense wyman covered. But then you get your outside linebackers that are wide of the widest blocker. That you have in in the boxer for the offense and so you have those guys that are that are supposed to be there to kind of set and make sure everything gets funneled back inside and then you just have all of those inside guys covered up by the defensive lineman coming in the ideas like it limits. The amount of zone run games loved to get double teams. You know they want to be able to try to double as many of those guys can and then work off those double teams to get to your linebackers but when all of your linemen are covered well then it just turns into a lot of one on one blocking right and then as a defense it comes down to all right. I just need to win one of these blocks to win one of these individual matchups here that I can get penetration in the backfield and I could make some tackled we can. We can get some stuff done. And it just wasn't happening that way like they would get in in those fronts and and they would just get completely blocked out of it and you get a whole open regardless and then yeah then they would exacerbate all of those issues with the weird mental mistakes and things like Dr Savage just forgetting essentially how to even read the play in. Rita's Redes- keys and just being so locked in on on whatever George Kettles doing that even seconds into play when he is clearly established himself as a blocker. He's still not like looking for like where is the ball it happened with the reverse. I think the second reverse yep wear savages just staring at kiddle kittles blocking and meanwhile deebo is literally flashing gnashing across his face. And it's not until that happens that he liked breaks his spelling goes. Oh crap I gotta go tackle that guy and it's not like like those end arounds aren't quick developing plays right. They're not like jet sweeps where he's got the ball immediately after the snap. And he's lying around the edge like this is a play that take a minute to kind of set up and he's coming from the opposite side of the field toward darnold savage and he is like to the point where he's already running having the ball. And like nearly the line of scrimmage before savage even realizes like what the Hell's going on looks away from kit like Oh shit maybe I should like go here and try to 'cause like to be clear kills not trying to block walk. Him is trying to block someone else. Savages to standing there watching all of this happening. He's not being block. No one is trying to do anything to him. Yeah it's bad it's really crazy to me I think the untold story and maybe it's not the untold story but he most most rightfully so gets a lot of the credit for this game. You know Rehim asserts the only NFL player in history with one hundred and fifty plus rush yards and three rushing touchdowns downs in a single half of a playoff game. He played a really really good game and he did. Cause some missed tackles either with stiff armor with the speed. Because that's the other thing where the the packers didn't help himself was trying to tackle. They failed the basic football is really the takeaway is but I think that what I think is a really fun mm story he was cut six times he keeps the cut dates from all the teams that cut him as a no on his phone and looks at it. I think it was. I think it was Roger. Sherman the ringer. Who who wrote that? It's like he is like if Arya stark ran a four three forty just keeping the list of names list of teams that he reads themselve every night before bed and I think that that is a fun story and a good sir. I'm glad that regime oester to seeing success. But he has none of that success if not for that forty niners offensive line and you look at what Staley Tomlinson specifically Ben Garland did in this game. The player that you described earlier where you got Green Bay in a bear front and every single one of the defensive lineman gets reached one on one every single one of the interior line wins their block defeats there man. And that's exactly why you can get big yards in the run game even if the other team knows you're going to run like the offensive line just executed so well and do you think that especially in the last two games been garland has played really well as a run blocker and he doesn't get talked about a lot in at least in these two games. I think he should. Yeah absolutely. He was great. I think this entire tire effort from those guys up front. I mean Staley was was fantastic in this one. mcglinchey is always been a really strong run blocker. Obviously in this game was no exception like Tomlinson even had some some really great blocks in there like it was the whole unit that that was just barking really well and I think the thing that you can do the best thing you can do as a running back a really kind of the only thing is when you have those opportunities presented to you right you. You're set up up for success by the scheme. You have an offensive line. That's going out there and executing well and you're you're able to kind of get through the line of scrimmage unscathed and and get up into open space days and then you gotTa make the most of that right you gotta and that's where I think the forty niners backs in general. Just what the amount of speed that they have at that position That's Kinda how this whole thing's things designed right is is just like Shanahan's essentially saying like look I'm confident enough that we're GonNa get you into space at least often enough. You know for how how much we're gonNA around the ball and I just need guys that can fly and get through holes in pick up these these chunk plays and yeah. I mean credit to most for getting in into space making guys miss. Once he was there really maximizing the artists that they're gaining on these plays and I mean they were ripping off chunks. You know you don't you don't see run games average eight nine ten yards a carry like. It's just not a thing that happens. Now what would I do find interesting. In terms of stolen it comes out of this as a lot that people were saying you know between Derrick Henry he moster the run game is back as a thing. That we've gotTa talk about in the Ploughs and I find that line of thinking one interesting but to still kind of a little misguided and I because I think it presumes that the the analytics twitter which I think people would lump us into would whoa. Hey Man I love me in with people that analyze things I like that. That's fine. They would say oh. Look the running game is important and I think that kind of misunderstands the takeaway from being snarky running backs. Don't matter right ultimately that's a roll up of a couple of different arguments but the key argument there is do the thing that works the most and generally speaking. That's passed the ball passing. The ball is generally more effective than running the football in almost every case you look at. EPA away teams are generally negative in terms of expected. Points added when they run the ball. If for some reason that ends up being positive or you end up I don't know averaging averaging as many rush shards as you do pass yards then you should probably run the Balsam more and that's the situation. The niners found themselves in. They've found themselves. Averaging nine nine yards a carry which is absurd the success rate especially on their core or key runs like the GD pulls and the inside and outside zone and the trap plays their success. It was over eighty percent on those plays alone. The you're getting positive chunk yardage from your running game so yeah analytics in that case would say keep running the damn ball right. I mean anything. That's going to move the ball. That effectively is going to be something that you want to continue doing right. We're I'm not going to. We don't need to get into the the run game this past game stuff as a whole but I think just like looking at this game just to give you an idea of like how effective they were in this game relative to like success that we would normally see reserved for the passing game right so when you look at it kind of the first three years before they really started trying to grind grind clock. And Yeah your fourth quarter kind of a different animal when you're in a blow out like that and things become less efficient because it really doesn't matter you're not concerned with gaining the most yards. You're just trying to bleed clock so if you kind of focus on the first three quarters there and then focus in on again. Those core run plays any of the zone based run plays that they were doing they were basically From an EPA standpoint so is the ones where he said success rate over eighty percent from an EPA standpoint. They're averaging basically two thirds of a point per play which is in saint absorb the the context there right if you look at the best passing offenses this season over the course of a season. The chiefs are number one pass offense by EPA per play. They averaged about a quarter of a point point. Two five ish expected points per time that they drop back. You're basically like what tripling that with with. How effective the Fernandez were running the bottomless game? So it's like this isn't your normal everyday a run game that we saw this is was kind of a dominant effort. That you just don't really see very much of yeah texting a friend of mine. And he and we were going back and forth on the whole running thing because he had some stat about Derrick Henry and and he was like Oh see. The running game doesn't matter now is like yes when you run at a historic pace and have a historian story effort and absolutely the running game does matter because you're making history and it's fun to watch that history go because it just it's man how demoralizing must've I've been I can't even put myself in that frame of mind to know what's coming and just literally have no ability to stop it like even as we were watching it and I like obviously excited 'cause you realized pretty early on like this can get we're going to the super bowl but then there's still like every once in a while like something would happen in the game and I'm I'm just like God I I kind of feel bad for the packers like just so ugly right now and they're just getting their ass beat so bad just like kind of feel bad for arm right now so now on defense. The niners also played a fairly good game except for some of that garbage time stuff near at the end of the game and I think my take away when I watched the game. Is that when the defense is playing assignment sound football they're gonna be hard to be and that's exactly what the niners did against the Green Bay packers they played assignment sound football and put themselves in an opportunity and in a place to make plays when they needed to. I mean it's half the battle or at is just like being in the right spot and and being not uh not allowing guys to run for in the second. I think you look at one of the biggest differences from last season two this season with their pass coverage and it's like last year it felt like they could barely go possession without having some sort of major buster breakdown on the back end and just having guys like literally running three wide it open with no one around the Keller Witherspoon Body isn't even cold like and it just happened all the time I it minimum. It was happening several times a game. Yeah and it was just. It's just that you just can't possibly play good defense when those things are happening this year. That rarely happens like every defense. Even the best defenses fences are going to have little Miss Communications and stuff like that pop up every once in a while and the niners are no exception to that but by and large like they are where they. You're supposed to be like you. You don't have those same receivers that are running wide open. Nobody in their vicinity. It just doesn't happen like that. You have guys that are again assignment. Sound near receivers and that's just like the bare minimum. That you need right once you've put yourself in that position now. You're at least least in position to Yemen completely eliminated the possibility of success on the play for the offense right. You're not necessarily saying okay. We're we're locking everybody down. But you're just this kind of there and then you can take advantage of mistakes right from the offense like last year things. Were so bad even when you would get mrs from the quarterback You know stuff that could have been dangerous throws like nobody's around or really take advantage of the house and this year. That's obviously been much different. You get a lot of a lot more turnovers this this year. And yeah the Moseley interception I think is a great example of that where you have a guy in good position to take advantage of an errant throw from Aaron Rodgers. Yeah so let's talk about that interception in a little bit because it's a really fun. Adjustment to a formation that can really cause some problems for defenses. So you've got your basic structures of the defensive offensive. Got You covered threes or cover twos and whatnot but what ends up happening is. Sometimes the formation will provide problems that that defensive structure can't can't solve and when you think of cover. Three three by one alignment from the offense is going to be really difficult to cover. When you're in a cover three zone is just because you've got three receivers that can all run verticals and really you've only got two people on one side of the field that can cover that deep vertical and so you're already playing at a numbers disadvantage so at three? You buy one formation from an offense is really really difficult for a straight up cover three to manage and so what you've got. You've got adjustments to that cover. Three and and one of the common ones is Mabel. We've covered on the pod before but one that the niners used the used in this game against the Green Bay. Packers is six buzz skate. That's confusing because you see you see the six and you think to yourself. It's covers six. It's really not it's still cover three but what it does is it still plays man meg. Oh man everywhere. He goes and meg to the one receiver side. And then that allows you to basically play for over three zone coverage over the three wide receiver side and it basically how you play or what dictates. The six scale is who you buzz buzz players and that's ultimately going to be the difference in the assignment from just like a regular cover three or cover three Mabel so David. What's the difference between Buzz and sky because that's ultimately what makes this an adjustment for three by right so really you have like three main flavors without even without getting too far like in a rotation and stuff like that like three rotations that you can get to? I guess in cover three right depending on. Who's going to be your curl flop player Sky Buzzing cloud? Those are the three each again. Football coaches aren't aren't the most creative bunch so each of those refers to essentially the position of the player. That's playing that role right. So cloud is I'm GonNa have a cornerback in that role. Buzz was backer on linebacker doing that. And then skies safety I would say like Cover three sky probably the version that most people if you dislike. It's like a cover three in your head if you've seen like any sort of diagram that that kind of shows you a basic cover three. It's probably sky. And and that's I have two linebackers occurs now in the middle of the field is my hook defenders and then I've got that safety that's coming down that's playing the curl flattery kind of more towards the side right outnumbers ah area there and so what does basically to swaps the assignment of that safety to linebacker so now I have my linebacker. That's the one getting with and getting outside outside to get to that curl. Flat area in the safety is more dropping straight down into that Hook area and so the thing that the reason this is helpful against three by one and kind of how the forty niners do it in a in other teams that play a lot of single high kind of you know Seattle based cover three scheme is they keep that safety hot. 'cause a lot of times what you're worried about in three by one is that inside most receive right so the number three receiver. The teams love to run him on crossing routes depressing routes and so as the linebacker normally the guy in that kind of base cover three right the sky version. I have a linebacker. That's gotTa turn run with that guy and that's usually it's not a good match for me. I've got a good everyone's Fred Warner not everyone's Reuben Foster Patrick well us in his name. He was really great at that though but anyway yeah. So it's it's a really tough play for linebacker there was not a lot linebackers really in football. That can do that consistently well right you have. You could probably count on one hand the so what you do. Is You get now. A more athletic player. Better coverage player that's also coming from a more advantageous position so rather than a lot of teams. Their parents play actions. That linebackers already coming up a a little bit. Toward the line of scrimmage got turned his back in Italy bail out in its top right and so that safety. He can see everything coming. He's not coming up. He's coming from more depth so even if he's it's coming up a little bit for run action right he's still kind of settling into the air that you want to be in. You seem to sit on the route. Basically his his immediate reaction is like I'm opening. I'm finding net number three receiver. I'm looking for that crossing around and this is what I'm going to take away. And so when he plays it well like it does a fantastic job at taking that route away. And so that's what you see here so so I think it was Jimmy Ward. That's dropping down in this case takes away the crossing route from the number three receiver and so rodgers. Then he's you know he knows it single high he knows what coverage average. They're playing he looks over then to the next guy so you have the crossing. Basically two guys threatening the safety at the crossing route and then somebody else on the scene so he sees the Crossword Rosser taken away. All right. I'm a throw the scene there and that's when it gets to Moseley and you see him kind of coming over from his cornerback position to be able to get to that route and then he's just again. It's a guy that he hasn't necessarily made a jump on it. You know so well that that this is going to be intercepted no matter what but he's in really good position and he's in a spot take advantage of a mis-throw from Rogers. He's got a relatively tough assignment there. Because he's basically got a split the middle between two verticals that are threatening his area so he can't just stick to one guy or the other. He's basically got a split. The difference wait for the quarterback to declare and then make a move but he plays it really well and it's a bad throw from Rogers. It's behind behind where he needs to be. He can probably fit over the underneath defender and get it to the wide receiver. But I think the thing is here. Is that Moses playing it perfectly and because he is. He's in a position to capitalize on poor throw and so that defensive structure is when the niners loved to play. It's an adjustment debt. Three by one and they didn't do do anything crazy. It's just everyone was in the right spot. Everyone played it well and they put themselves in a position to take advantage of a mistake from a quarterback that did not have a great great game despite his stat line. And you know it sounds maybe like we're trying to take a little bit away from Moseley which is not the case at all right like it's a great play I think think but it's just one that highlights. I think kind of how far this this defense has come where it was like. These are things that didn't happen to them last year like They throw that even even though it was a bad throw that it probably falls incomplete because the corner is not even good enough position to be able to to to pick this pass and so I think that's it's just the play that stuck out. That obviously was a big play in the game for the forty niners. Still first half here is what was it in two minute drill Rogers trying to get down there and get at some points it really was that kind of put the nail in the coffin. That's when you when when they get interception. The niners turnaround and like Oh crap we've got the ball and can score. It's like okay. This is this is getting out of hand. It's it yeah I mean it's just like the play that's like nothing. Nothing's going right for them right now. Like it's just not there yet. They're not GONNA be able to get it Dan because when you think about the plays at the niners or that the packers were able to get later on in the game. You're you're really looking at plays that were not executed well from players on the forty honors defense. You think to the dig route. That looked like it was completed on Moseley but ultimately that's on Fred Warner not getting depth in his drop and giving up that intermediate area that Rogers took advantage of you. Think the deep pass the Davante Adams. That's Richard Sherman. Just not. The heat does really weird thing where he does a spin. At the line of scrimmage for some reason I'm not sure entirely why but he does it he ends up. Getting beat deep doesn't happen often but hey the thing is kinda slow now. We can't run that a fast offensive players get paid to and it was definitely something where it wasn't necessarily the sound of technique and got beat and so those things though or not common when the niners are playing well within the structure there. They're going to make it difficult for teams to try to trickle down the field on you. I think teams have some some ridiculously Sologne number of really explosive. Plays in the niners looking it up but I couldn't find it. They are among the best if not the best defense in the NFL limiting taking away those deep throws yeah Yeah I mean I would say the the one to the one on Sherman is the only player I would say like that was. It's just the packers for that one. Play kind of being better ray at like rotten atoms beat them. At the line of scrimmage ran by a little bit rogers makes a great throw ro is obviously by far is best. Throw the data on on a ball that traveled like what forty fifty yards in the air. Like hell well. That's that's going to happen quarterback and make that throw him on the money like all right whatever you on to the next play type of thing but everything else they got you on the big player. Graham was one one major bus that they had on the day where they didn't have a guy in the right place and it was like a lot of what the packers did get even late. Were still like things from the few mistakes that the niners Scott right when they were playing sound it really didn't they didn't allow hardly anything. Yeah so you you think of the the packers running just north of sixty days or so and so they're going to have one play where they're better than the niners so yeah we'll give them one point six percent. Yeah I'm fine with that. Yeah Yeah I'm good with those numbers. Yeah one point. Six percent of instances in which the packers are better than the niners. Yeah Yeah I mean it was boring games. I Love Games. We can just sit and revel in the bask in the glow of what is an amazing game from the niners offense from the running game. I'm not too worried about people who left this game. Worried about Jimmy Garoppolo are having the wrong takeaway from this game. I mean I don't know if you're GONNA worry. Raise my hand. They're gonNA Jimmy about if you're going to worry about Jimmy Garoppolo. It's not because he didn't throw in this game. It's because of the stuff that he showed when he was throwing it's not because the niners are necessarily running the ball here. I mean again you when you're able to run at nine ten yards clip. When you're able to just run over them and can't stop you? Why bother doing anything else and so the takeaway here is not? Oh my God they're hiding Jimmy. The takeaway is like yeah when you can do something. The thing is effective as the niners did and completely dominate. And make this team look like it's sec verse FBI then Yeah just keep doing it. Yeah I mean it really was was like you know Alabama fuck in just kicking the Shit Outta sit at our or something like that and they don't even give him the directional school like you don't even get a direction. Yeah it's like fucking Delaware state out here and it's like man come on yeah I it was just ugly. There's no other way to put it like they just completely dominated that game. It was really never in doubt. And it's just yeah. I mean as a great way to the to roll into the Super Bowl championship Sunday. Now we are not going to talk about the chiefs game this week. We have one more week. Of course it's a two week delay in the Super Bowl so next week we will indeed be back doc on Tuesday actually to preview the super bowl against the chiefs. Because there's lots to do there but that doesn't mean the show today is done. We're going to take just a brief break from our sponsors and we're GONNA come back with the return of the lightning round. Hey it's back. I figured hey we're back in the Super Bowl. Let's bring back some of the old tricks so we're going to lightning round and then we'll have a really fun discussion about which team was better. The last team that went to the Super Bowl for the forty niners at twenty twelve team or the current team. That's one thousand nine hundred. We're taking just break right back. I'm Jillian Weinberger. Who's to the impact? 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These are the stories that will help us understand what might happen happen if these proposals get rolled out here in the next four years. Subscribe to the impact on Apple podcasts. Or your favorite PODCAST APP to to get new episodes now. Are David lightning round for those uninitiated and to remind you as well. Because there's been a minute I feel like I'm going to do poorly and were it's basically trivia. I'm going to go through these questions. You're going to even the first answer. The pops in your head. I'm GONNA tell you you're wrong and then we're going to move on all right so let's start. I'm going to start my timer. I don't I don't really have a timer But here we go name the only other team to win a playoff game with fewer than ten pass attempts. Oh Man I'm getting so lucky on this one because Kevin Clark on the ringer podcast. podcast mentioned this and I happen to listen to that today. It was the dolphins seventies teams. Often they did it twice that it. In seventy two and seventy four the seventy three team. which went went undefeated? Seventy seventy two. Yes okay so remastered holds the record for most rushing yards in a playoff game for the forty niners who was second who second for the forty niners correct. ooh I'M GONNA say most likely going to be Roger. Craig are rookie waters ago. Ricky watters is Colin Kaepernick. Yeah Okay in man. Yeah Indian Mauer's who is second overall in terms of any game because this also broke the record for most rushing yards for the forty niners full. Stop Up oh just in garrison hearst Frank Gore franken one hundred twelve yards okay. I can't remember if that one one where I had like the ninety nine yard ninety eight yard or whatever gets the New York jets in overtime. That's still one of my favorite place at his awesome. It's so good all right so name the one team that's never won an NFC championship game. The lions it is the lions. Wow Look at you. They are all in one and then it's a change of games. They are the only team that's number one. I can't remember them ever going to Super Super Bowl. Yeah the largest comeback in. NFC change of game history was done by whom I don't know I can't stop thinking about the AFC championship game though on the bills oilers. That's the only you would be thinking about the wrong. And that wasn't well. Yeah I mean I know but I actually think that was that in the championship game. I had just completely off the research department and various specific facts I have no idea it's going to be the San Francisco. Forty niners seventeen point deficit coming back in two thousand twelve. Oh Wow okay all right. The forty niners owners have been in four. NFC Championship Games since two thousand ten who in the NFC has more championship game. Appearances in that span. Saints the answer is no one I have the most number of a payroll shave question. Well technically the packers actually also have four appearances since all right out of my next one. Yes Oh yeah that that does it for the lightning round all right. I didn't do as carefully as I thought. I don't know I'm not knock the rust off. It was a pretty good. You know you did better than Donald Savage trying to stop the run off take it. That's that's the level. Oh I graduated from Jordan Debbie and moved to darnold savage not staring at the back of kittles head all right. So let's get a fun discussion. I think to wrap up today show and really. It's the last time that I have been in the Super Bowl since two thousand twelve and Mike g longtime listener on twitter. He he sent me a tweet and he's like what do you think which team is better. You put a twitter. Poll is the twenty twelve team better or the two thousand nineteen better and in the poll incidentally spoiler alert but the two thousand nine hundred team wins by a landslide and so for the purposes of this discussion. Let let's actually frame it in a way that that isn't going to allow this to come in because we know what happened with the twelve team so it's a little difficult so for the purposes of this discussion. Let's talk about if the twenty twelve twenty two thousand nine hundred nineteen were going to win or we're going to play a game. Who would win that game in that with those players performances in that that one year so not Colin Kaepernick in Two Thousand Fourteen Colin Kaepernick in two thousand? Twelve Patrick Willis Navarro Bowman Justin Justin Smith Breath and now of course you've got the twin nineteen version of the niners as well so given those parameters David. Which team do you think would win a game again? One singular game a super bowl between niners twenty two or twenty nineteen. I mean I think I think I would go with the twenty two team as well I would do. I think it's it's really easy to fall into the recency bias trap there and this team has been. I think the team has also been like a lot of fun to root route four as well like just has a lot of fun players on there and it just kind of benefit fund ride for them to go from the second pick in the draft to being super bowl so I think that this team is is obviously talented like you. Don't get really to a super bowl with with just a shit roster so in their death. I mean one of the things one of the stories of this year that we we may forget now that they're in the super bowl but their depth has been tested at several spots at several key spots tackle goal at center at linebacker even at wide receiver to a certain degree not because planning secondary again a little bit. Not Not as bad as last. You're obviously but but the team. That's I think you know. Injuries are a way of life in the NFL. And outside of an injury to your quarterback it really good teams have the ability to overcome become those injuries. And that's exactly what this forty niners team has done. Yeah it's just I think when you start looking at one on one hand it's a little tough to compare because because they are like even in seven years right the the differences in like kind of how the teams are built. And what's important to be able to take away way as defense today versus how important that was in two thousand twelve. I mean you look at that. Two thousand twelve defense and the front seven was just so so insane. I mean you had obviously Bowman and Willis there that were kind of the anchor of everything that they did defensively during that time. Alden Smith Yeah Alden Smith Peak Alden Smith right there Jason Smith Peak. Alden Smith was really really good all I mean he's the guy who defined speed to power our for me like when I think speed the power. That's the person that I imagine in my head. Yeah I mean it's it's easy to forget because of the way everything ended with him. How how freakishly good? He was for those first couple seasons. Yeah on when he came in there and so yeah I think The front was incredible edible and just was the way they were able to stop the run with light. You know we talk about like we spent a whole bunch time talking about how the packers like trying to get extra guys in the box and you know you usually. That's how you WanNa do you WanNa be you know. Have kind of a numbers advantage there like having the front that they did allowed them to basically play too high the wide majority of the time and still to stop the run. Because all of those guys out there so good yeah that it just didn't matter and allow them to do so many things and it helped helped a secondary that maybe wasn't the most talented secondary but had a lot of solid players and just kind of put them in good positions and and so. Yeah I think defensively defensively. It's it's certainly a lot closer but I think I mean honestly. I don't know that a lot of people don't like it. I I think Colin Kaepernick twenty twelve was clearly a better a quarterback to me than Jimmy Garoppolo was Benazir. Yeah I think the defense is pretty close. I do think that they're even the secondary has a couple of corollaries because you think of like an older vet vet. That's playing very very well and Carlos. Rogers you've got a younger player. Who is up and coming? That's played well Chris Culliver and you've got Terrell Brown who hook them horns we forget how how good he was for a few years. He was pretty good and he was a smaller corner but he was. I got a very very good corner and man. You look at the Goldstone Wilson. Yeah I mean they were and golden was really really fast and he covered a ton of ground fit that scheme so yeah it was a really really good skill around. And of course they've got. I think a defensive coordinator that put them in positions succeed. But when you go to the offense I think the the offense I agree where the twenty twelve team takes it not not just just because of when you really think about it now. The revolutionary offense that they were running. I mean the ravens are running currently just about the exact same offense and everyone's talking about how Lamar Jackson is a better quarterback in that system then Colin Kaepernick. And I think as a passer the two thousand twelve season or twenty twelve version of Colin Kaepernick is very comparable to this version of Lamar Jackson. If anything he's probably better on deeper throws because his deep accuracy for that one year was absurd. Yeah I mean as as the thrower for that season I mean. There's there's I mean I was. I was thinking trying to think back to a lot of podcasts that we did during that time and just like remembering the difference. Prince between going from Alex Smith to Colin Kaepernick. At that time in like one of the things that that I remember talking about a bunch was just like how much he the opened up the downfield passing attack for them right and and that was kind of the big thing obviously brought a completely different element when you talk about what he could do in the run game and everything the thing that they were able to add there but as thrower was also just such a huge upgrade for that season and in the downfield accuracy was there and they were just able to pick up. These chunk. Play is in the passing game that that I don't know that like the forty niners right now have to rely a on. I mean there are passing. It's largely short and intermediate right. Jimmy's mostly going to keep the ball under fifteen yards in the air. And so it really comes down to Shanahan Shanahan being able to get guys open so that those guys can run after the catch. That's the way they generate their explosive. Plays Right. It's not by throwing throwing behind you. It's you don't see plays like the Rogers Davante Adams play right here like this. Offense just doesn't do it. Yeah they do the the place that you're going to see that are close those two that are gonna be crossing routes deep crossers post corners like the deep one and kill. They had against the packers right. But even that one to get a throw that far downfield it had had to be so open right like it was so wide open. That's what can actually get him to pull the trigger on you. Look at Twenty Twelve Colin Kaepernick. He played eleven games. He attempted thirty three passes for quarterbacks that had at least thirty deep attempts conch happening led the NFL in a quarterback rating on deep throws. He threw deep on fifteen point one percent of his five touchdowns almost six hundred yards. Just one interception. I mean that's ridiculous. It's absurd heard how good he was throwing a deep and I mean a lot of it was what is what does that say is adjusted. Completion percentages that are like sixty percent his adjusted completion percentage of sixty percent anything. That approaches approaches. Like forty percent is damn good like your leaders are like maybe hover to fifty this year. Joe FLACCO was second and he's at forty forty percent in terms of NFL quarterback rating. If you just look over all Aaron Rodgers is second at fifty three percent adjusted completion. Cam Newton fifty two percents peyton manning. Fifty one percent or more Colin Kaepernick is like besting them by nine percent. Yeah I mean that was the whole the whole argument. When we we're going into like is is Colin Kaepernick going to be the franchise guy like is he can sustain the success type of thing like when we were looking at it for reasons like why that would be the case? I mean this was one of the first things that you brought up right was just like he's effective. Throwing the ball on these like difficult downfield throws like he was such an improvement there. That was like a thing that you kind of at the time expected that if that does continue rats that's why he's going join to continue to be a very good player and so yeah. I think there's just kind of like this dynamic ability to the passing game that was there. Obviously the run game was so you look at the run game. I think the offensive line for the two thousand twelve version. The niners was better than this version of. Oh yes because you have got steadily in his prime. You've Got Alex. Boone you've got Daniel don't Kilgore who was actually playing guard at this point Mike You potties I forget he's still in the NFL. Like Mike. potty is still suiting up. It's fine if you wanted. Forget and just remember the two thousand twelve version because it's not as good anymore. Jonathan Goodwin playing center and this version of the niners have fullback Bruce Miller that actually early in two thousand twelve played better than this version of the forty niners fullback and check. Jesus don't go punch eighty year olds. Please don't please don't don't do that. I would appreciate it if he didn't. But you've got Delaney Walker Vernon Davis. I mean you. They had weapons call. I think crabtree for like two or three years played. Incredible that stretch with capper. Nick was the best stretch of of crabgrass career. And then I mean you even had twenty twelve year you had had Mario Manningham in a wash the brain I think. The wide receiving corps as a unit was overall better than the current unit of the niners. I think this is where it's like one game one season you look at. I think a very different question. Which is project them for? We know what happened with went twelve thirteen. But it's nineteen team. You know. We don't know what's going to happen in the future but you look at players like Deebo Samuel you think to yourself. Yeah like I'd much rather have him than Mario Manningham now. Yeah I think yeah. Projecting forward is is is obviously different exit nine animal and not something that I think really want to get into right now because I don't I don't it's it's yeah it's A. It's a tough question so I think it's interesting to look at these two teams and in that light and like in realized that like yeah things things obviously didn't go well they're like in a reminder that like in this is much as we want these teams to be good for the long haul. All right everybody's trying to like reach that level of the Brady ballot check patriots. Where you're just you know you're going to be good for fifteen twenty years or whatever? It is really hard you so you thought that was going to be the case with these Harbaugh niners in two thousand twelve like it looked like they were set up for it and then it just went away and so I think it in a way like more appreciative of of like this opportunity to go to the Super Bowl. I feel like man I really need like at the two thousand twelve season. It was like this felt like the first of what's going to be Shirley many. Yeah Yeah right later is going to keep going back right. That's how it's going to be now. It's like ash and I don't know maybe they don't get back you know here's what happens. So what do you think the final score of the game between the two thousand twelve hundred nineteen our eighteen. Is I think man. I think it's actually probably is much as the defenses for. I feel like both teams got a lot a lot. More of the publicity actually feel like it ends up fairly high scoring. Yeah I think I think each offense can kind of get it because I think in each offense just for what they were doing at that time. Did such a good job at creating opportunities and scheming things and I felt like they would've open able to come with some pretty good plans and been able to like make some stuff happen. Shanahan's GonNa have like if you trick. Plays a few wrinkles and they are like it would have been fun to watch that. Maybe there's a simulation out there in our future we'll see I played madden twenty with my little brothers brothers over the Christmas break. I haven't played madden like six years. Yeah I think the last time I play was actually at your whatever. The last game you bought was about six years go. Oh man well that does it for this edition of the better rivals. PODCASTS definitely tune in next week because we will be back previewing the super bowl the game game against the chiefs. It's going to be a single game sample. Let's see what bag of tricks Shanahan pull out. Because he hasn't pulled that trick so far I think he's got a little bit less than the clip download. You can always follow me on twitter at better rivals. David Watkin they follow you. That'd be at PF underscored David. Thanks again for tuning in and as always go niners.

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Stats & Eggs, 9/30: Which 49ers team will face the Eagles this week?

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03:44 min | 2 weeks ago

Stats & Eggs, 9/30: Which 49ers team will face the Eagles this week?

"Good Morning. I'm Rob Stats Guerrero. Today's Wednesday September thirty twenty twenty. Here's what's happening with your San Francisco Forty niners. Yesterday was a fairly quiet day for the team. So instead of starting with the minor news that did happen, let's focus on what will happen later. Today, we should find out a lot about which forty niners team takes the field against the eagles on Sunday night football when the forty niners returned to practice, there's a long list of people fans are waiting to hear about healthwise, just listen to Kyle Shanahan on Monday I got to start with injuries first, Garoppolo we'll see. How he is on Wednesday Kiddo. We'll see how he's is on Wednesday mustard in witherspoon also in the same boat no big deal just a starting quarterback starting running back starting tight and who's the best player on offense Oh and one other guy to in case you're wondering how much all that uncertainty effects, the line apparently not at all according to our friends at draft kings, even with all those injuries, the forty niners or seven point favorite over the eagles this week. Running back Joe Michael Hasty made his debut in week three after a lot of chatter during training camp about how good he looked after is three touches for eighteen yards in the game the forty niners have chosen to protect hasty again, this week meaning no team can sign him off the practice squad and onto their active roster. Before the forty niners play the eagles, he could see more action that game because Jerick McKinnon suffered a rib contusion against the giants and could miss some time. The biggest news from Tuesday didn't involve current forty niner. But one of the greatest of the Great Joe, Montana thirty, nine year old sold side pressuring dazzle pleaded not guilty yesterday to felony counts of burglary and attempted kidnapping of Montana's granddaughter Joe told the Sheriff's deputies at the girl was asleep Saturday in a playpen, his house when pressuring bring dazzle entered and picked up the child Montana his wife Jennifer, confronted her and asked her to give back the baby and after a brief struggle Jennifer Montana pride the girl away in dazzle fled from the home authorities said she was later arrested nearby now no one was hurt thankfully she faces up to eight years in prison if convicted as charged. We always give you something to read something to watch something you might have missed something to read on this Wednesday checkout. Kyle. Posey's breakdown of how the forty niners used. RPO's on Sunday to help make life easier for nick mullins against the giants including one particular play that led to a big game from Brandon I. Be sure to check on niners nation all day long for the latest news and updates not now though you're with me, that'd be weird something to watch the team brought in four long snappers to work out after Nelson's meltdown metlife field on Sunday, I tell you their names but they're long snapper. So you've never heard of them one of them could literally be standing next to you right now and you'd have no idea. If that was true, I will say one of them garrison sanborn did spend three weeks with the team last year when Nelson was suspended for P. D.'s Robert. Goldwyn. Six for eleven on goes those games although to be fair was in a monsoon in Washington. Something you may have missed the forty niners announced Tuesday that Levi Stadium will be a voting center for November third election any resident of Santa Clara County can vote in person or deposit their ballot, and this isn't the first time. The teams done something like this Levi's served as voting center for the California primary in March and no matter where you live. Please make sure you vote this November. That's going to do it for this edition of stats and eggs please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation podcast network in Band and look out for the Shanta plan which drops later today with Kyle. Posey, and a cash on a very often we take a deep dive into the forty niners three win against the giants and look ahead to week four against the Eagles I'm rob stats. We'll talk tomorrow.

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Gold Standard:  What does Sherm's injury mean for the defense?

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50:09 min | Last month

Gold Standard: What does Sherm's injury mean for the defense?

"Everybody. Rob Stat Guerrero. Here what Levin Black? Can't think of anything funnier creative to say about them. How's it going Levin? Apparently better for me than you your. I mean, this is. How did we get here? apparently everybody took the offseason often. Thought. The season wasn't going to happen in San Francisco. There isn't there isn't anybody in that game to me that stands out as while that guy. Great. Now, some people probably some people had good games. But the most part, a minute that that was a complete it's one of the most complete and total failures I can remember from top to bottom coaching players everybody. We're getting into a little of that but I I want to get into the news of the day because there was some big news on Wednesday and it it. It's GonNa Affect the team at least in the short term, the biggest news Richard Sherman out of nowhere suddenly on injured reserve three week injured reserve with a quote calf-strain that apparently happened with think like four plays to go in the game. I didn't even see the play didn't even see anything that happened. But now he's gone a callow witherspoon who potentially could fill in is in the concussion protocol. So his status is up in the air I don't know where Emmanuel Moseley is but just stay closed go near bathroom close the door and do not come until Sunday manual please. It's it's huge news really and It's only three week I are but. With as big as this as big as this came out of nowhere and the fact that they didn't wait. They didn't say let's see how one week goes. Let's. Let's try to get through the week and see how it goes before we make a designation decision screams to me that this is much more serious than three weeks. I mean I think if he is back after. Only missing three weeks back for that what fifth game. I would be. Shocked. Really There's not much info out right now but to me, you don't just go. All right. WE'RE GONNA go ahead and just throw them on I. R for three weeks you go. Well, we'll see how he goes. You might miss a week was the the next week goes. This is really odd and like I said, it just screams to me as being very serious injury that the team is not wanting to tip their hand on just yet. That's a really good point by you. The the fact that there was no hesitation is upsetting Tom Pella Sarah tweeted that it's quote just a flare up to an old injury for Richard. Sherman. who had a torn Achilles back in two thousand seventeen let me just say. There is no like writing this off as always his old torn Achilles is flaring up again that's. Terrifying as a forty niners fan a Achilles injuries don't know that's terrifying to me. We're looking at more than three weeks if that's what it's related right minute I'm no professional athlete but I've injured my Achilles twice in my high school and college playing career of soccer and one of them. What is about as minor as you can get an took three weeks of literally not putting weight on it for two. Of those weeks and then a week of just barely being able to walk, and then after that, I was able to return to practice a little bit and it was four weeks before played in a game. The other time I had a mild tear and that was a fourteen weeks that I was out. Now this is somebody that's had multiple Achilles injuries before and the problem with them and Sherman knows this was. As good as anybody is that you can think. It's Okay You can think it it's back. It's healed and then you make. One strong pivot or whatever, and you stretch that tendon and it snaps that's how he snapped it. He. He had an Achilles injury and he said he was going to play through it and by playing through it, he tore it completely. So it's extremely concerning the team right now is calling it a calf strain. I consider that a very dubious and suspicious designation right now. But at least this season, the forty niners are the kings of talking a great. Game Plan and then what they actually do is a hell of a lot different because let me go into that cardinals game. They were saying a lot of great things and we just didn't see it. But again, we're GONNA get to that I'm still trying to stick with the news of the day. Everyone see a lot of niner fans saying. So what I even saw Eric Davis says. So what you know look they're playing the jets they're playing the giants. Everything's going to be fine. I'm not in that camp. Look, they're still playing against NFL teams. Okay and the forty niners are only so deep and witherspoon gone and Sherman's gone. I don't care that they're lining up against the jets. I'm a little bit worried. They're going to need to pass rush to step up. I think people are looking. At the quality of teams, they're supposedly playing the jets, the giants and thinking well. The. No brainer. They can win those even without Sherman these other guys. But geography matters and West goes teams know that better than anybody because west coast teams travelling to the eastern time zone don't do well. I don't remember the exact percentage but it it's one of the biggest advantages. In football statistically for teams that play in the Pacific. Time zone going to the eastern time zone. Well, yeah. They're staying out here in West Virginia in between those two New York. Games but it's still west coast team going through the east coast that shouldn't be understated especially in this weird year of everything being off I mean. It's not just going to be, Hey, we're going on a road game. It's going to be the first road game of the Kobe's season and then travels different what you're allowed to do. Once you're there is different I mean there's the whole you know hotels. It's a much bigger deal. I mean to be frank everybody Kinda took Arizona for granted to. Look what happened. Now you're totally right about this and to make things more complicated forty niners could be out be without George. Kill. We don't know he did not practice today I should say he did not practice Wednesday. Chan. said he's going to basically give him the week off maybe trying to get him back in practice on Friday and then they're gonNA. Make a game time decision. So I mean Kiddos the game or so maybe he goes but that's up in the air to now I mean all of a sudden is game against the jets that was supposed to be you know just a walk in the park guys are going to be missing here. I don't think it's going to be as as everybody says. It's Kinda like an a pacalypse season right now. Everything that could go wrong is going wrong I mean you come out a week one and you lose German and if he's not going to practice all week. I would say it's doubtful. Kiddo plays in you lose. Out I guess Shurmur, not your best player on defense anymore Boza but after that, it's probably Sherman. Certainly the best player in the secondary I would say, then you lose your best offensive player when you're already down wide receivers mean what's the past game? GonNa look like they is going to come out and run it, and then this could be an NFC championship type offense or Shannon just says, we're going to run it and if they stop it, then we'll figure something. Else out and add add salt to the wound. If the jets end up winning guess WHO's starting running back right now Mr Frank go and by the way I have a frank, Gordon. Nugget. That I just saw before we started recording this that is absolutely fantastic i. hope you haven't seen it. I will spring it on you at the end of this pod because it's It's just another reason to love Frank Gore. Can you imagine if the niners lose and Frank Gore has like one hundred yards As. It's going to be like, okay this can't this is getting coll-. How bad this is this is this is the twenty twenty season. You know you read you see all these stories about the super bowl loser in house they don't make the playoffs and super bowl hangover. This is. How that stuff happens, right guys just don't suddenly lose their football ability it stuff like this right? It's your best cornerback getting hurt at the end of a game. It's it's George kitto jumping to catch a high roller than coming down leaving his knee expose all these these things are sort of coming together and chipping away at this great team, and that's how these law seasons happened. It's exactly what starting already and they always have the same tone coming into the season always confident. Hey, we messed up we shouldn't won the super bowl or be right back in it. We're going to get one I. mean niners bands have already seen that in the past decade. It doesn't always happen that way I mean it's pretty rare that a team loses the super bowl and then is able to win the superbowl next year. The Patriots happened to do it a couple years ago but I think it's only two teams in history that have done that so. It's not. To be taken for granted the niners are already kind of behind the eight ball because of the division they're in I mean what all three teams won in the division. So the niners are already game down on every single team and they got so many injuries now. There's a lot of question marks, but I do want to say, and maybe I'm jumping the gun and taking us into topic those for later in the pod but. It's the very underrated. Part of the Muhammed's to new signing to me he's been through this already. He was on the Atlanta Falcons. When they fell after losing the Super Bowl, he's been through this super bowl hang over before and now he's coming into the wide receiver Corey. He's got the vet presence. He's been through it Shan. Wasn't through Kaz Shannon jump ship, and came to the niners. So he's able to bring something not even the coaching staff can really bring. And I think that is very underrated I haven't seen anybody else mention it that he's been through this hangover. He can kind of help guide people have. Here's the mistakes we made, and this is the things that we should learn from. I have not seen anyone make that point and Adam? It was it was actually a solid signing. Like well, I'm glad they signed him and then I I saw a picture of him in Atlanta gear instead. and. That just popped in my house like, Hey, you know what he was there after he's been through a super bowl hangover started thinking about it I'm like. I can't think of. Anybody coaching staff or otherwise it's gone through a super bowl hangover other than I mean, I'm I I didn't confirm it but I'm thinking wes Welker was one on one of the Patriots lost the Super Bowl on one of those teams and what Jimmy Lee that's not the same. That's the Patriots. Well, I mean, you're in the middle of a dynasty, not the same very true and the Patriots are sort of a Unicorn anyway so Unicorn I do want to mention There was some positive news today on the Injury Front for a change, a glimmer of light in a season of darkness so far Brandon I participated in practice looks like he's going to be able to make his debut on Sunday which I think is is big because at least gives you some sort of threat on the outside someone to say at least have to say, hey, we can't just totally ignore this part of the field. The niners could have two new starting wide receivers from week one to week two I could see some new picking it up quick in this offense before I could see him starting. With Being the other starter. That actually just came to me. It makes me wonder how often that's happened before where a team had. To starter in week one, they're both healthy but neither one of them start week to out probably be something that hasn't happened. Often, if ever. An injury, no injuries have happened 'cause it but I'm talking about the guys are healthy started week one they might not start week to. Yes Shanahan said he's confident that if he has to put the new out there, he can do it because he knows the system and he knows you know the different wide receiver positions within the system. So I mean for for Shenandoah number one singing the praises the way did before they signed him which I've never seen a coach do for anybody, and then now when they've signed him to say we can throw them right in there right away. He clearly has a man crush on Senate. Rome and. Right now he's desperate for a wide receiver that can be a true starting. Can we can we put this to bed as a some I think should be completely put to bed because there's a lot of people out there that think that they're. Starting caliber guys and that they're going to be guys to truly cannot note their backup wide receivers the good for what they are. They're paid for the role. They are their quality guys it should be on were auster but Kendrick born and Trent. Taylor are not stars are not going to go out and get sixty seventy catches in a season there guys that are going to be depth pieces. They give you somebody who can fill in and spell starters. They're not starting quality wide receivers they're number three, four, five quality wide receivers. And can I say? Dante Pettis. Sucks yeah he sucks by does not this great nation player there that's going to emerge now that he's got an opportunity, he sucks, he is not willing to go up and fight for balls. He's not willing to catch balls and traffic and he's not willing. This is what's really going to push in hand off. He's not willing to block for running back. There's a play the play before they get stopping the goal line. In Week one jerk. McKinnon has an amazing run and there's basically one defender beat for McKinnon, in the end zone and Pedersen's right there in pedestals hold his block and mckinney goes down at the one yard line. 'CAUSE YOU WANNA know why pedestal all is blocked because he was watching Jerick McKinnon run but you can't do that. I. Can't wait for Dante Pettis to be back in the Shanahan doghouse and not part of this team. I think week one. The, most concrete that comes from week one is that. The Dante Pettis experiments done like. That guy was their year one isn't coming back I don't know I mean this is. You can't top AJ Jenkins, but he has come in pretty close in. A Similar manner. He just. He doesn't have the fight needed. It's Pettus at every opportunity in week one to say, Hey, I'm I'm for. I'm last year I took it for granted. He showed nothing. I shouldn't say that he showed something and it wasn't good. That's worse than nothing. Don't show anything we don't know. But if you you open your mouth, improve it. So to speak I, mean, yeah, I'm. Okay so Dante we're done with you were done with this segment. We're gonNA take a break. We're GONNA come back. We're going to look ahead a little more to the jets and sort of get into what we're hoping for and what we WANNA see looking ahead to week to. Espionage in presents the SP nation NFL show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. With your favorite espy nation community leaders you'll get reactions to what happened on Sunday film breakdowns fearless takes local expert, analysis, fantasy football advice, and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the SP nation. NFL. Show be sure to subscribe on Apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP to be sure you don't miss a single episode. Okay Levin we've reached the point of the show where we're going to end up talking about Jimmy Garoppolo because we're looking ahead to week two against the jets and. Obviously, he needs to play better if the forty niners are going to win and he spoke yesterday and there was only one thing. I wanted to hear from him. I was making notes on what I wanted to talk about, and I wrote down three things I want to hear from Jimmy Garoppolo, and then after I wrote down the first one I scratched off the other two because there's only one thing I wanted to hear from him. I wanted him to say I was terrible I was terrible I let the team down and I am going to be better next week. I. Didn't want him to say well, I couldn't get into a rhythm The whole offense was bad we as A. Group, don't hide behind this whole group, take it on your shoulders and say I stunk it's my fault and what are you doing? He got up there he didn't do it again he couched it as well. We all need to be better. We all need to be consistent. He never steps up and takes the blame and he needs to well, he certainly deserves a lot of blame for that stink fest that was their zone a game, and we kinda mention it between ourselves before we got going but I think it's time to bring up that Kendrick born pass that. Almost certainly would have won the game to me. It was really odd because I know Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't have a real. Can you know he's more of an accurate passer escape both during the be both but he doesn't have a cannon you know he's not GonNa rip it in there. I. Think. Actually he was in the bottom five for the the fastest. He threw a pass last year among quarterbacks that had at least one hundred. saw that stack coming into week one. So he's one of the weaker throwers in the game but. There are a lot. Of throws it. He was late on and that were slow to get there and that was one of them like. That's one that. Yeah, it was accurate. The guy was wide open and it took forever to get there because he laughed at it in where's the fastball like even if it's a Jimmy Garoppolo fastball there, it would have been a touchdown. But he lofted at like it was some kind of rainbow that he needed to get over the cornerback I. I don't know where he's at I do think and this is not to defend him but. It's something they kind of went unnoticed but I do think he is very much of rhythm quarterback. In it, his somebody that has very specific timings. You know he's not on the Peyton Manning's although peyton manning was that type. peyton manning was somebody that really hammered in getting the exact timings down of exactly how wide receivers are where they're going to be exactly win on their brakes very consistent. So he always knows exactly where they're at and that's something that with no preseason and no Ota's I think he is going to struggle with early in the season and we've also seen that because he has struggled early in the season every single year that he's been start starter early in the season he is not a fan started of the season and it takes them a while to get that timing backed out. I sort of I've been thinking about him nonstop because he ruined my entire week and. This is my sort of revelation about Jimmy Garoppolo. I think we've acquired. A Patriots quarterback and what I mean by that is what do the Patriots Value Right, they value order they value obedience they value consistency, and what you said is true I think if everything goes great Jimmy's your guy, he'll deliver the ball on time of deliver it where it needs to go. He's not gonNA get too high. He doesn't get too low he's never gonNA make. He's never to say anything to the media. He's a perfect Patriots quarterback. That's exactly what bill ballot check likes but. Things don't always go according to plan in the NFL sometimes guys aren't where they're supposed to be. You're offensive Lineman, get beat things happen. You have to be able to make plays when things don't go according to plan and when he didn't have as I read on Sunday he know what the hell to do. It's weird because he's his now what we've found or believe that Shanahan likes. Shannon never quite said exactly what he likes of quarterback but look at Kirk cousins, he's a risk taker he's a gunslinger he has a canon that was the quarterback that Shanahan was obsessed with. Jimmy's cutting the exact opposite kirk cousins is. Jimmy is the methodical Hayes very accurate, but he's also other his one where the heck that pass come from. He's the money that doesn't take many risks he does not. Really go for you. Know I mean he's not trying to rifle it in there and it's probably 'cause he knows he doesn't have a rifle. He is very much to. Do. Exactly. What the play says he's supposed to do whereas Kirk is more of an labor. So I. I think there should be. It's only one week but. I feel like I I went from way down here. At the very bottom thinking that Shanahan's going to move on from Garoppolo thinking he can find better to now being kind of like. More of a closer to fifty fifty that Shannon might decide you know what I need to find what I truly am wanting a quarterback. I wouldn't say that necessarily means the. They would move on from Jimmy after the year, but it means they might draft somebody. That Shanahan can try to bring in and see if he can beat out Jimmie they're playing the jets this weeks I feel like no matter what Garoppolo does people are knocking to get too excited about it because the jets are not very good but what I wanna see from him this week is I want to see guy that drops back and goes through his progressions look. At the first reap boom he's not there look them off go to the next one pivot your feet. They were times on Sunday where he drop back and he was completely flat-footed his legs weren't even bent. He would just literally standing there like he was checking a text in the pocket I don't know what it is I. Don't know it was like he was just not. Not. Locked in against the team that he dominated. Last year is to best games are against the cardinals and I didn't see it and I want to see this week a guy who's just on it just locked in laser focused. Show me the guy that you were when you came in two years ago. That's the guy I wanna see I, WanNa see the guy that one was it four straight games, five straight games whatever the hell was. That, where's that guy? I don't know 'cause. He was a bit of a gunslinger then and I think it's because by design. There wasn't a clear. This is what the place supposed to do because he didn't have much of the playbook so much more of none necessarily a playground way but much much more of ad-lib in he. He was free to do more what he sees because he was having her just rely on his pure taxi didn't know the playbook and they weren't using much of the playbook as Shanahan and said, so maybe somebody that's better win the rains are off and that's not something I think is comfortable ever doing. So I think it's a very interesting thing. To not only see where this lead leads this season but also. Looking to the future this topic for a later day. But if they do move on and Jimmy gets to go somewhere where he could ad-lib what happens to him. But he had every reason in the world to ad this week. Didn't he like, Hey, look on my to starting wide receivers are out you know my my centers third-string guy could even say his name. Like this was your chance to add especially because you could say, look Trent Taylor's in there. He hasn't played in a year I got Jordan, Reed over here we've we'd like six snaps together and our entire history like he had a reason to maybe go off script a little bit and try and make something happen and he didn't make anything happen. All. Those reasons sound like something else to me something that takes it away. It's not his decision. Why weren't they running the bowmore? McKinnon looks electric. He looked really good. It might been he didn't and most are obviously looked really good he that crazy long touchdown or he just took off. But they were they were passing and they were up the entire game till the end. Why would they just running until Arizona proved they could stop why weren't they doing? You know going into the game I posted on twitter saying I was expecting that I'm expecting a lot of pitches rollouts a lot of things that get away from the interior part of the line because they're that third string center. They had some outside runs early in the game but then inch classic Shanahan fashion. It's like he started to get to. Cute. He wanted too much all at once and he got away from what had worked in. Most has that long touchdown and He didn't get much more use brushless game. Where is that? Play the rest of the game by the way was great. He was one on one is Ahah Simmons. Any dusted it may dusted everybody's soon as he caught that all I looked at the safety and I was like he ain't Gonna be able to get over there seems gone and sure enough he threw on the after burners and in two seconds later who surfing in the end zone and why didn't I don't know if there's playcalling whatever you WANNA call why didn't they start picking on is as Simmons because he was awful in that first quarter. For, they didn't pick on him I? Don't I don't really remember another password. He was the defender in in coverage they stopped picking on like that. That's where you would expect in. Maybe Arizona change some things to where he wasn't really getting man man on man you know play more of his own or spy whatever you. WanNa. Call it But I didn't I would. That's something that Cheney normally does normally when he senses a weakness, he's GonNa. Hit it and he's going to keep hitting it. He doesn't care how bad it's hurting. You know doesn't need show mercy. Didn't see that right the NFC championship game pervert example our running the ball Jimmy take the afternoon off. We will grind them into dust, which is what he did to the Vikings. But he didn't do that this week I agree kyle did not have his sharpest game. This was something that surprised me to. Only twelve of Garoppolos thirty, seven pass plays were play action to me. He's a way better quarterback off of play action than he is just a straight drop and I think Kyle knows that which is why Iran play action so much last year a why didn't he do that more if you're not if you're not going to run the ball at least pretend you're going to run the ball and help your quarterback out. It's just a weird weird game to me. It's not. It's different loss than normal because it's not all they didn't play. Well, it said they didn't play well, they didn't skiing. Well, it's such a weird game because. You know right after that for the first quarter was good. It's like they have ten plays like bill while she used to do and those win great and then after those ten plays they go. Oh crap what now Because everybody relaxed. I mean where's the pass rush? It wasn't just offense where was the pass rush? Did they? That's something we'll probably never know I'm curious if they didn't seem like it from watching how how much effort was to try to get up the field, but you have to wonder, did they try to contain more so than Mari couldn't run and just failed miserably because Murray so fast to got away from it anyways. But D- Ford. Eric Armstead didn't do anything. You know I posted on twitter today those are the two guys that need to step up those two guys. They got the big contracts they're going to be needed even more now because Sherman's down that secondary is probably not going to hold up if the quarterback gets time those guys half to earn their money. Yes that was a point that Kyle and Akash made. On Wednesday and I completely agree like you your biggest contract guys have to actually play like it because they take up most of your cap and they affect the rest of the roster and when they don't, it's really hard for the rest of your roster to pick up the slack and I don't think that they did a Masra a mushroom just a mush rush against Kyle Murray and I think that was the problem both flying in off the. End On that especially that third seventeen play both flies in, they're trying to get a sack and merge goes right around him and leaves poor-quality Alexander completely in no-man's-land 'cause it's cuyler it's Kwan and there's a receiver and no matter what Kwan does he is screwed because collar is going to do the opposite and there's GonNa? be a huge gain of yards and that's exactly what happened through a little pump fake and took off for twenty five yards. They didn't Mush Rush Him and I think that that's what crush them and I think it's what always hurts them against mobile quarterbacks I'm glad you brought up. Because, speaking of big money guys that need to earn that money. I don't hey kwon. I actually liked him a lot. I was I was happy they signed him. I was all for that signing. But boy since his injury he is not shown up and. I hope he comes around maybe maybe it was just rust week one but. Law Is. Very easily. It's clear day green laws the better player and it's not particularly close right now. Quan was awful. Awful in the Super Bowl, and now he's been awful in week one. If he keeps playing like that, he's going to be a guy that's making. Top dollar he's. At the time of assigning he was the highest paid linebacker. He since eclipsed but. He's making top dollar for the position in there's a chance he's going to be playing reduced robot into the year if he wants any chance a sticking with the team and getting. Another you know if he doesn't stick with the team getting another starting quality decent size contract, he's gotTa turn around as he's not doing well at all. To be truthful being. Dam even on the interception greenlaw the one to tip that it wasn't Kwan. He's got to step it up. That's all there is to it. Who is the guy? On offense we talked about this before. They need someone to fire them up sex. Sherman will do for the defense even kwan, actually is an emotional leader for that defense on offense is a Kiddo and his kid are going to go the other guys say step in kindergarten Jimmy it'd be like, Hey, dude, you almost got me killed get your head out of here. It is kid on incapable is the fiery guy but. I don't know if he's that Guy it's hard to know that's something that a lot of times stays between the players because you see it a lot in practice and things like that. But you're right somebody needs to be the guy that lights a fire under there as you put it. When things are going well. That just sounded so natural. You never swear on the pot you know I can bleep it, right? Yeah. Actually I do know that because I just saw it on twitter today and it's ironic because I never swear on the pod but. Boy If you talk to me in. Everyday life. yeah. You would swear I was a sailor. while. We gotta get a swear jar for Kochman. Team gone with the experts fumbling every other word in real life to me is the F. Word. I'm not getting. It used to be something like especially when as a teenager and stuff like that. You know my parents would be like you know you never gonNA. Get a real job. If if you swear like that, you've got to be more professional now I'm actually somebody that causes a lot. I. Just you know try to keep it professional here now that. So if you ask me two days ago, what I wanted to see going to the jets came out and said I want to dominate them I want them to shred them get up early step on their throw I want Sam Darnold to just forget about seeing ghosts I want him to be a fetal position on the sideline trying to beg out of the game now with all these injuries and with the way the offense looked I'm just hoping for Wayne and I gotta be honest this this should be the pass rush game. The jets allowed the most. Pressure per dropback last year those I'm talking about their offense and if I'm not mistaken, they allowed the most in week one as well. They are not a good pass blocking only at all this should be a game where the defense of line is just absolutely dominate and take that whole question of. Can Secondary hold up out of it. And now we're looking into this game. I. Think it's interesting. To See let's say witherspoon I think if Witherspoon can play it's pretty simply subs for Sherman but if he can't play I'm curious to see what they do because I saw to various more out there a good in week one does he slide into the free safety and bring Jimmy Ward down into a corner position to try to utilize that more or does more play? Play the corner position or you know, do they start using the safeties a little differently? I'm curious to see what they would do in that scenario not that I want to see it. I would rather deceit witherspoon out there, which wins we can get what are you going to get if he's not You might say Andre Johnson out there which we've. We've seen that movie before in. Twice it was rejected. We're in a spot now where we're like man I really hope Jason can come back. That's where we are. That's true. That's a bad spot to be in not the Veritas about player. He's just you can't count on him to be healthy, and now I feel like this is the Levin craps on every single night as player pot. I probably be. Turning into but I guess I mean it is what it is. I try not to be too critical but we. Deserve a lot of criticism. Put it that way. I had said I think to nine or nate that it is possible that a week one loss could be the punch in the stomach that everybody needs. This isn't twenty nineteen. We're not just GONNA roll the gold helmets out there and beat everybody, and you know this could basically be the Atlanta game for lack of a better comparison Atlanta beat the niners at home last year they were not very good but the ninth lost game I with all that's happened in the past few days. Do you think that can still apply? Do you think that can the loss wakes everybody up 'cause they didn't seem to panic about it after the game. I don't really think that's issue. So, could it be certainly could the ninetieth go out there and dominate the jets and then turnaround falter to giants I could see that happening to. I don't think this is a case of the team needs to wake up. I think this is more. So a case of the team just was not prepared and I don't think it's because they were taking things for granted I think they had a terrible game plan from the start both offensively and defensively I think both coaching sides of the ball failed in this game and that trickled into the players where they all failed I mean they weren't I don't think they were put in a good position to succeed. And I don't think they were able to overcome that like they should have. You know we always talk about players the gone slumps and stuff coaches have slumps to like and coaches get hot. I think there was a stretch last season where caution him could do no. Wrong. But he certainly hasn't hit that stretch this season hopefully that changes this week I do think it's interesting that we're playing against Adam gays who couldn't have been the forty niners head coach like let's not forget that almost happened. That was thing if if gays agreed to keep Vic Fangio as defensive coordinator, it was a done deal. He was going to be the coach of the forty niners I mean right now. I seen two different polls on twitter about who's the first coach to get fired this year. Case leads both of them by a wide margin from what I saw and yeah, he got my vote on poltical. Yeah I, mean I don't blame but that's the thing right? Like so you can't have another stinker this week. If you go out and you lose that guy to that point I mean they can't do anything over there at the jet they can't even get Lamy on bell the football because he's not going to play in this game but like they can do nothing right? If you dominate this guy, I mean forget about red flags we're going to be sound the alarms we're going to be in full panic mode right it it's. In I hadn't thought of it. It's not really a must win I mean it's way too early in the season say it's a must win but the niners are in an old to hole in this division in the just lost to the jets. Their playoff chances are very, very slim. And I think. The listeners of this pod and the people who heard on a podcast last year are going to hear a different version of me. That is more minorities normal, and because I happen to start doing a forty niners podcast in a season where the niners didn't lose until was the second half of the season. They haven't really seen the negative part of me but I am somebody that like especially when I'm watching the games I tend to be always expecting the you know like. It doesn't matter what quarterback could be back there could be somebody historically low interception rate like Aaron Rodgers I could still be going back to throw an interception thrown interception I much more of a a Wednesday negative nancy but a much more of a pessimistic fan I'm always sitting air grumpy during games. I'm not somebody that's always bouncing off the walls saying they're going to win fifty, nine zero now a. Much more of the lower end but nobody's really heard me because. Everything went right last year up until simple. Welcome to my world Lebanon. Welcome there is plenty of room over here. I'm the same way. I'm look maybe you know years of being beaten down is a mariners fan. They haven't made the playoffs in nineteen years of being beaten down tonight fan I mean, let's be honest. We're both are thirties. The the bulk of our fan hood has not been kind. That's true. But there's also been a lot of good years. The manner have been a historical joke since the second they came into baseball but I'm pessimistic and I think that's part of the reason why it takes a toll on you after a while. But I know that this has been kind of like a Downer episode. Downer. pod And you know it's warranted but I don't WanNa. Leave you with that taste in your mouth. So let me try and leave and put a smile on your face. I. Saw this in the athletic this is from Matt Barrows and Daniel Brown it is an history of Frank Gore's rookie season and have interviews with different people and one of the people they interviewed with Adam Snyder, the offense and wineman. And I'm just GonNa read it because it's great. Snyder says Franken Eireann a segment with Johnny, Jones and rich. Eisen. The day after we get drafted and we're both wearing big baggy jeans because it's the early two thousands. We, meet for the first time and I notice he has a big old necklace like a medallion and it was a stop sign and in the middle it said Gore instead of stop. Sign said to frank what's that all about and he said man Mo can't Stop Gore. That's just that's just the best like Frank Gore. I love you never change, and if he runs for two hundred yards on Sunday, I won't even be that Matt. Posted theory of mine on what's going on with frank or and it was actually map borrows posting about that article that you talked about. And he posted a to profile pictures of Frank Gore one from his rookie year and one from this year, and he actually looks younger in the one from this year or it looks like. At all and I said I think this confirms that what's happened is frank or played his rookie year Hopton time machine and he keeps showing up at the beginning of every year as the younger version of himself. So as soon as a Since time machine and he's right back at the start of another season because he hasn't really changed I mean he was never particularly fast I think is a little bit slower now but and then he runs the same style. He's almost as effective as he was back then he just can't take the beating for three-under carries in his season but. He's Oddly the same I mean, he hasn't changed drastically like you see other guys like Adrian Peterson he doesn't make cuts anymore. He's very much a big body guy. It's just going to go in and try to fall forward for an additional couple yards after gaining whatever you can before contact. Frank. Best or son guys that I wish would play forever. Tony Gonzalez is one of those guys I just loved it. I, just a great player Larry Fitzgerald is one of those guys even though he kills us every time he plays they're there guys I just love and frank is white. He's on my all time forever team. He's just the best in that. That story is one of my I just read it and I just had to share because it's just it made me smile and I I could use a smile today. Let me tell a story of franker which is One of extreme disappointment from you but will put a smile on it but he face I went to New Orleans where the niners were in the super bowl playing new. Orleans now this past year but the previous time. In the he who should not be named era I went. To Harris I went to the only Casino Belair by the French quarter in New Orleans I walk in. I see I think it was Roger Gorski is the first celebrity. I see in the casino can just kind see him walking by, but I walk forward and I man nine or stuff heads head-to-toe I a very flamboyant leather niners jacket. A lot a lot of niners gear. That's how you roll with the leather when I'm in a crowd. Yes, I don't wear leather jackets normally, but that was a jacket I, purposely war because I lived in Indiana and I wanted everybody to see that here's a niner's. anyways I walk in and I get maybe twenty yards into the casino. And this group of guys comes. Walking past me. And One guy in center who was shorter than everybody else. Says go niners baby. And I said Yeah and I walk about ten more feet and Don's on me. All of them were in Miami Hurricanes. University of Miami Gear. And then I started thinking. Like you know what? The guy looked a lot like francorp that had to be frank and I literally turned around and try to catch him. But they were leaving the scene and I was like I'm going to try to chase him down but I mobile certain news Frank Lloyd I literally had him speak to me and I was like Oh. Yeah. Cool. Guy And kept blocking they went a crap I missed my opportunity. I'm not, GonNa lie I lost a little respect. I mean, it was the when he was the Miami hurricanes like it wasn't niners gear. So I wasn't thinking Oh that could be be like a niner's player wasn't dawned on me couple later but it did meet Alex Smith on the street the night before the Super Bowl that you're. Would you say to them while I was a little intoxicated? Not Not Crazy. So but I was at a buddy's bar because I used to live in New Orleans and I walked out of the bar and he was standing there talking to the owner bar who I know. And he's actually carrying his kid. He might have been three or four at the time he was out was like two in the morning I think he was out to shows his kid around when the crowds weren't there. But anyways, I walk out and my. A little bit intoxicated itself looks overseas them and goes wholly. It's Alex Smith. He looks at me and I can I see it on his face I was sober enough to see it on his face Kinda like this panic like you gotta be kidding me kind of like I have my little kid here. I'm trying to be in NATO amount in the middle of nights. Nobody recognizes me. You know because it's a night game. So he he's out to in the morning tonight big deal. He's not playing you know ten am Pacific or whatever. and. So I got to collect Mayeso awaited a little while. In, after like thirty seconds at walked over and I said. I wanted to say I appreciate everything you did for the forty niners I. Wish you luck on whatever team you end up with and he shook my hand and said, thank you and I left him along 'cause I could tell like he was very much in this. I have my little kid here get away from me and also you. Well, I was like, maybe I was probably fifteen feet away from, but there's nobody else on the street at that time. It was a it was in the French quarter, but it was a little like he was off. Off The beaten path wasn't Bourbon street or anything like that. I have one more franken story. It. NOPE now. I rule on this podcast. You know you're not my boss rating. If, I'm doing it anyway. So we were at the Super Bowl for pro football talk and Chris Simms who co host the show was doing an interview with Frank. Gore and they start talking about Franks Hall of fame case and Chris was kind of saying I don't know if you have you know the case for the hall of fame and frank's going Adam hard like 'cause I mean. Ranks. Not GonNa Super Bowl famous all he has left now in the NFL and he's talking about his years with the niners and every time he mentioned the niners it's we we we we like he's not. He considers himself before nine or he may have a different Jersey on like in his mind. He's a forty nine and that just makes me love and more. I do think he's probably the most beloved 49er. Maybe since I was GONNA say since Steve Young but I think it might be more beloved Steve. Young. Steve Young replaced Joe Montana. So there's a little bit of the fan base that didn't modern. Gas De was hated by a lot of the niner fan base just for not being Joe. Since Joe or I guess Jerry Rice with proud since Jerry outlasted Joe. Yeah. But like the new era, it's probably GONNA it's not Bryant young even though Brian Young incredible to t- odin stick around long enough. It's not Vernon Davis. Obviously not Alex considering the. said, he should not be named era get says, name they ruined at your, you're GonNa have to believe that. You're probably right. Yeah I can't think of another. It's gotta be I mean he's Clearly the best running and other than Joe Montana and Jerry Rice he's might be Steve. Young's my favorite players are kills me say, but might be the best offense player other than those two because he's I mean, I think Steve Young peak wise I said. For as long as I've been a fan that. If you tell me I got one season, pick a quarterback in his prime. I probably pick Steve because I think peak wise. He's the most skilled quarterback. There's ever been 'cause his accuracy is off the charts in his running ability. Kind of flips it for him. But. Spied saying that I had to say that because I can't say this without saying that I think Frank Gore is probably the third. Best offensive player to ever play for the niners. After Jerry Rice. A. You shaking your head at me. Nobody else will be able to see it, but I can see it. So what are you shaking around me for? terrones why does tear loans never get any love? He's the second best receiver of all time. And I love Frank but Franks not oh okay. So -Til I still have his Jersey I was known as Teo. Abby W threes when I was in high school because every Monday night I wore his Jersey got to be known as. Teo. Teo, I still defend I still. Things and defend him. But I was thinking of not guys that just played the is more. So like their whole time the niners. because. Frank somebody like Larry. Allen played for the niners. Awesome. But he did much of work. With a different team, the shall not be named. You know what I mean like Yes te'o overall is the better player than Gore. But he did a lot of his hall of fame quality work off the niners even though. He became known for the niners and played the niners more than anybody else. Fair. Thank you. If we'RE GONNA at limiter on I, didn't I didn't I wasn't quite thinking in the same row as you. You WanNa go with just the best players to ever play for the niners than yeah. T os up there. Larry Allen to be included I'm sure there's other guys who have come over for a season or two. I'm not thinking right now. All right. I think that's a good place to lead for this week. We're not totally off the train yet, but I mean it. It's dark right now they can get lighter quickly if they play well and we to, and hopefully they will. Hopefully. Be a little more positive next week. Or Eleven black I'm rob stats remember a like subscribe rate all the good things on all the podcasts wherever you get your podcast. Please do for us.

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