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Biden's Cancellation Of Permit For Keystone XL Pipeline Faces Mixed Reactions
"Now president biden isn't just focusing on the pandemic one of the first things. He did after his inauguration. Yesterday was to cancel a permit to build the keystone excel pipeline that pipeline would transported crude oil from alberta to the texas gulf coast would have entered the us in montana from their yellowstone. Public radio's kayla roche reports on the mixed reaction to the cancellation tribes and environmental groups. Here and in other states the pipeline would have crossed have been fighting the keystone excel pipeline in court for roughly a decade last year in a video by indigenous collective buffalo defense. Roughly ten for pet tribal members protested in northern montana. They lined up with their hands held up fists and repeated a lakota phrase. That's become slogan. For the movement against pipelines like the dakota access pipeline keystone excel. Johnny were drawing. Water is life. The canadian company behind keystone xl tc energy operates a pipeline which spilled thousands of gallons of oil in south dakota and twenty seventeen and in north dakota in nine thousand hundred activists and tribal members say the pipeline endangers water-quality bricks tribal land treaties and pipeline. Construction brings the threat of human trafficking. Biden's decision to revoke a presidential permit. Donald trump granted canadian developer energy in two thousand nineteen puts a heart stop to the billion dollar project. Among those celebrating was fort belknap indian community council president. Andy work a member of the onny tribe. I'm just really happy. I'm really happy. And i'm really thankful in south dakota the rosebud sioux tribal government. Join fort belknap. In suing to stop the pipeline. Rosebud sioux president rodney bordeaux was busy coordinating cove nineteen vaccinations. When he heard biden cancelled. The permit agreed victory. Hopefully that's the end of it but will continue to fight it we're gonna watch it but pipelines supporters are seeing the collapse of ten years of work. Tc energy which declined to comment for the story. Released a statement in anticipation of the permit cancellation yesterday and said it. Suspending further activity on the pipeline county commissioners in rural northeastern montana where agriculture is the dominant industry said they had been looking forward to the tax revenue which the state estimated at sixty three million dollars. A year extremely disappointed mary. Armstrong a commissioner in montana's valley county where very large county with very few people seems like a perfect place in Perfectly compatible with us montana. Republicans strongly criticized by an institution. But keep an excel has also been supported by democrats here. Including former governor steve bullock and senator jon tester yesterday tester said he still supports the development of the pipeline but with conditions he had encouraged the biden administration to meet with supporters and opponents before making a decision while the pipeline from alberta looks dead for now the premier of that province jason kenney yesterday pushed for consequences the canadian province of alberta invest in one point. Five billion dollars in the project in a statement. Yesterday kenny culver biden and prime minister justin trudeau to discuss the decision. However the us government refuses to open the door to a constructive and respectful dialogue about these issues that it is clear that the government of canada impose meaningful trade and economic sanctions to defend our country's vital economic interest canadian prime minister justin trudeau in a statement expressed. Disappointment invite is decision but acknowledged biden's choice to fulfil a promise. He made during his campaign run for npr news. I'm kayla garage and billings montana.
First Geneva Convention Signed / Japan-Korea Treaty of 1910 signed - August 22
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You can email us with your own dilemma at Laurean guy at iheartmedia dot com listen to dear therapists on apple podcasts, the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone. It's Eve's checking in here to let you know that you're going to be hearing two different events in history in this episode one for me from Tracy Wilson, they're both good if I do say so myself on with the show. Welcome to this day in history class from how stuff works dot com, and from the desk of stuff you missed in history class. It's the show where we explore the past one day at a time with a quick look at what happened today in history. Welcome to the PODCAST. I'm Tracy Wilson and it's August twenty second. The first Geneva Convention was signed on This Day in eighteen sixty four the Geneva Conventions are a set of rules about how nations are supposed to behave during an armed conflict. They're meant to try to protect people who aren't actually fighting from the effects of the fighting. So protecting all of the civilians who aren't involved in the conflict protecting people who were fighting but aren't anymore and just trying to minimize the impact of. The war itself on all the noncombatants who are in the same place. The first diva convention was the result of a conference that ran from August eighth to twenty second of eighteen, sixty, four and representatives from sixteen states attended bail agreed that during an armed conflict wounded soldiers should be able to receive aid without regard for their nationality. So if you were a doctor and you found a wounded soldier who belonged to the other side of the war, it was okay to help that person. Medical personnel should be regarded as neutral. That was another thing that they all agreed upon and they all agreed distinctive symbol of a Red Cross on a white background should be the internationally recognized symbol for medical care and other relief workers. This was really important because at the time, all the various nations have their own symbols that designated medical teams and soldiers didn't necessarily know what? All of these different symbols were. So they might, for example, attack of field hospital not realizing it was a field hospital thinking that it was actually somewhere that officers were planning their next maneuver. This whole convention largely came about thanks to a man named Henry do not. He had been born in Geneva eighteen, twenty eight and he and his family were really active and all kinds. Of Humanitarian and philanthropic endeavors during this work, he witnessed a battle of chauffeur during the second Italian War of independence. This has been called one of the bloodiest battles of the nineteenth century. It was really just devastating and it was this experience that really focused his attention on the needs of people who were wounded in wartime. He went on to write a book about this whole. Experience, which described the battle in just gory detail and described the aftermath and the CO loss efforts of local people to care for. Literally tens of thousands of wounded soldiers in the spooky also made the case for all nations to have some kind of voluntary relief force that would help during this kind of situation both during wartime with war casualties, and also during things like natural disasters. After this book came out the Geneva Society for Public Welfare Established A Five-man Committee to look into the whole issue, they made plans for an international conference which did meet from October Twenty Six, twenty, ninth of eighteen, sixty three, and at that conference, they laid out plans for these sorts of relief societies that then led to the August eighteen, sixty, four conference and the signing of the first eva convention although. Not, everyone signed the Convention on the twenty second, ultimately, all the major European powers and several other states did agree to it. The conventions have been amended several times since then including in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, nine, hundred, nine, thousand, hundred, forty, nine, the third convention in Nineteen Twenty nine included humane treatment of prisoners of war and the nineteen forty nine convention followed human rights abuses during World War Two. The four conventions that were adopted in nineteen forty nine are the convention for the Amelioration or the condition of the wounded and sick in armed forces in the field the convention for the Amelioration of the condition of the wounded sick and shipwrecked members of the Armed Forces at sea the convention relative to the treatment of prisoners of war and the convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in time of war to more protocols are also added in nineteen. Seventy. Seven to apply to wars of self-determination civil conflicts could also learn more about all this and the January ninth twenty-seven episode of Stuffy missed in history class was on Henry do not. He was also known as the founder of the Red Cross. Thanks to Terry, Harrison for her audio work on these podcasts you can subscribe to this day in history class on apple podcasts Google podcasts, and wherever else you get podcasts. Tomorrow we'll take a look at an infamous execution. Did you know GEICO's now offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what Gyco could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay. Mom I, empty dishwasher vacuum, the basement, and full of the sheets out of the dryer what Oh and next I'm GonNa Clean Mittens Litterbox, some kind of prank show or something that's a camera isn't it? There's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh limitations apply visit Geico, dot com for details. We've all been in lockdown for months glued to the news, Russian political meddling and economic meltdown, and of course, the global pandemic I'm Rhonda that. But there are mom teen Arab Louis and we're the host of through line. NPR's history podcast from typhoid. Mary forced into quarantine for thirty years to conspiracy theories. An all American pastime listen to through line on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to this day in history class, we bring you a new tidbit from history every day. The Day was August Twenty Second Nineteen Ten The Japan Korea Treaty of Nineteen Ten was signed in Japan formerly annexed. Korea. Five years prior a treaty struck between the Empire of Japan and the Korean Empire in the wake of the Russo. Japanese. War Made Korea, a protectorate of Japan. and. Japan Korea Treaty of Nineteen Thousand Seven Shifted Korea's administration of Internal Affairs to Japan. But under the nine hundred, ten treaty the Emperor of Korea gave sovereign power over Korea to the. Japanese. Emperor. The Of, the treaty was disputed though since Emperor Song Jong of Korea refused to sign it as required under Korean law. Korea's Prime Minister Yvonne Yong and Japan's resident general count to ut. Masataka signed the treaty. The treaty became effective on August twenty. Nine. The proclamation and the treaty said the following in part. In order to maintain peace and stability in Korea to promote the prosperity and welfare of Koreans and at the same time to ensure the safety and a repose, a foreign residents, it has been made abundantly clear that fundamental changes in the actual regime of government are absolutely awful. The governments of Japan and Korea being convinced of the urgent necessity of introducing reforms responsive to the requirements of the situation and a furnishing sufficient guarantee for the future have with the approval of His Majesty, the Emperor of Japan and His Majesty the Emperor of Korea concluded through their plenipotentiaries treaty providing for complete annexation of Korea to the empire of Japan. Japanese role in Korea was marked by urban growth expansion of commerce proliferation of Arts and culture and improvements in areas such as infrastructure, agriculture, and education. But. That cannot overshadow the fact that Japanese rule in Korea was harsh exploitative. Industrial Development was largely for the benefit of Japan Japan ruled through the military and Korean descent was suppressed. Korean history and culture were also suppressed thousands of Korean historical documents were destroyed. Schools forbade people from speaking Korean and other public places adopted the Japanese language. Many Japanese families moved to Korea and exploited the land by clearing trees and planting nonnative species. Loyalty to the Japanese Emperor was emphasized and Korean customs and culture were disparaged. The Japanese forced assimilation on Koreans through religion education and language making them go to Shinto shrines and changed their family names. And the Imperial Japanese army forced girls and women into sexual slavery. The Japanese also forced Korean laborers to work in. Japan during World War Two cents there were labor shortages. Koreans did resist pants oppressive rule forming. That fought for independence like the March first movement of one thousand nine. Hundred. Nineteen. Japanese colonial rule and Korea ended in nineteen forty five when Japan surrendered in World War Two after the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Correa then divided into Soviet occupied North Korea and US occupied South Korea. In the Korean War, broke out between the north and the south in nineteen fifty. The nineteen sixty five treaty on basic relations which established diplomatic relations between South Korea, and Japan declared that the Treaty of eighteen ten was already null and void. Today. The history of Japanese roll over Korea is still a point of contention in the period from nineteen, ten to nineteen forty five is known in south. Korea as Japanese forced occupation. I'm each Jeffcoat, and hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. If there's something that I missed an episode. You can share on twitter instagram or facebook at T. D.. HD podcast. Thank you for joining me today. See You. Same Place. Same time tomorrow. For more podcasts from iheartradio iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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September 25, Hr 3 Kevin Carr
"This is mornings with Kale and northern Colorado's voice thirteen. Ten KFI K. It's been forty three days that firefighters have been. Exhaustively Right Smile Bloom Heart in the Fort Collins Colorado. And Working Cameron peak fire today is a critical juncture eight. Oh wait now thirteen ten, Kfi k a thirteen ten KFI K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail, from the auto collision specialist studios well, today as Mr Heart Rights, they will face the firefighters wailed their biggest test. That's when unseasonably warm temperatures low relative humidity and westerly wind gusts exceeding thirty miles per hour for a second straight day are expected to. Test those main fire lines that stand between the fire and thousands of homes and other structures in red feather, Lakes Crystal Lakes, and the glacier view communities fire has crept to within three miles of red feather lakes. Since Cameron, peak fires started August thirteenth around ten thousand homes have been evacuated around the two hundred and forty mile perimeter of the fire that had burned nearly one hundred and five thousand acres of yesterday that makes it the largest active fire in Colorado after full containment. and stay on the pine. Gulch fire just north of Grand Junction. The Pine Gulch fire by the way burned more than one hundred and thirty, seven, thousand acres, Dave Gasser fire incident commander said Wednesday we are in for a couple of days. He was right the wind and we're putting a lot of effort into the area they are calling the thumb we have even up our night shifts to where we are with our day shifts to really have a pulse on if anything is happening so that we are prepared Corey Callers Carlson. The fires planning operations trainee said, it is critical cruise complete the last mile of fire line on the fires edge and around the so-called head of the fire on the east side. Before the westerly wind makes things a lot more difficult everything that gets in on this north part of the thumb. He said, takes the potential for the fire to make a run toward a crystal lakes and these other communities further out of play. If nothing else he continued, it'll take the punch out. Of it and even if the fire does go north, we have spent a lot of time on the dead band road and have bulldozer lines and hose lays in and around those communities. So we're feeling pretty good guess her said twelve miles of water hoses with hundreds of Ponson ample water supply line, the Manhattan Road, which is the main line. Of Defense on the east side of the fire. He said if the fire should cross the road prior fuel mitigation such as prescribed burns. Over. The years will indeed help firefighters work that fire Friday today is a Red Flag Warning Day starting at noon meaning that conditions will be conducive to an increased fire risk. Those conditions existed around Labor Day when unusually hot dry windy conditions helped the fire quadruple in size over several days fire overwhelmed firefighters sending embers over the top of fire lines near the Pingree Park road and destroying fifty four structures including twenty five homes in the monument golf and rustic areas in monument Gulch. twenty-three homes were lost near, rustic two historic properties were nearly completely destroyed. Carlson said another area of concern for firefighters is the wind moving to a more northwesterly direction, which could push the thumb south edge into difficult to rain where drainage could help lead the fire south east toward Colorado highway fourteen. Carlson. Went on to say the drainage is very, very steep making it inaccessible for bulldozers and other heavy equipment in the area and that aerial retardant repels the fire only for so long. Carlson concluded wants the fire spreads into that area. It could actually go in a lot of directions. We have a huge presence in the Colorado fourteen quarters. So if it wants to push that way, we will indeed be ready for it. This says today that Cameron, peak fire reaches a critical juncture God bless those firefighters each and every one pull this out of nine news, Adams County fire rescue wildly and team there among the more than eight hundred firefighters who are working to contain the cameron peak fire and they have some stories to tell if a facebook post from their department is any indication whatsoever according to the post? Crews have been dealing with some. Well, I'm unexpected visitors in camp. Well, actually maybe not all that unexpected because after all this is Colorado those visitors are three black bears. Three black bears that Adams County fire rescue has said on their facebook posts have been visiting the camp at night. It's a little fact that will make you say. Firefighters actually named one of them. No baby bear. Little smokey. Adams County crews have been busy with fire working on everything from structure triage to even putting out a spot fire on top of the mountain eight fourteen now, thirteen ten KFI. Thirteen ten K. F. A. dot com this time check sponsored by the candlelight dinner playhouse where camelot and I'll tell you what get in to see camelot. It is absolutely incredible. CAMELOT takes center stage through October Twenty Fifth Candlelight Dinner playhouse Broadway in your backyard visit Colorado candlelight dot Com for more information Dan Patrick the whole show in Colin cowherd or a northern Colorado's. Thirteen ten KFI K. One football your dial two KFI K. here. NFL Games all season long and northern Colorado's voice thirteen ten K of K. The heads Freely trips I it would be good to pass along just to your edification piece by Jaden Watson Fisher out of the Greeley trip headline reduced interest rate on delinquent taxes. Helpful. Most helpful to weld county businesses and oil industry are set to expire. Writes Jaden. Watson Fisher. Weld County, property owners have until the close of business October I kinda right around the corner now isn't it to receive a lower interest rate on delinquent property taxes now, Governor Jared poll list signed House Bill Fourteen Twenty one in June Twenty House Bill Twenty fourteen twenty one giving cities and counties the power to defer, suspend or reduce accrued interest on delinquent tax payments. The reduced rates apply for any time period between June fifteenth the day many accounts became delinquent and again, the deadline of October First Weld County commissioners reduced interest rates from one percent during each month of delinquency to one. Twelfth. Of A percent per month from June fifteenth through October I had too many forward slashes there anyone who pays October second or later will be assessed a one percent interest rate for each month of delinquency dating back. To June Fifteenth Don Warden Weld County Finance director said the interest rate only applies to owners who pay their taxes in full on or before. October first of course, the purpose of lowering the interest rate was to help businesses struggling due to covid nineteen. Now, a similar decision was announced earlier this year the county announced an interest rate reduction on delinquent taxes from March until the end of October if the outstanding debt was paid on or before October thirty, first a state executive order at the time only extended tax relief benefits until the end of April, nullifying the county's decision now. The county typically receives ninety nine percent of all property tax payments by October and despite Cova Nineteen, this is likely to happen in two thousand twenty warden said that Weld has already received roughly seventy six percent of tax payments with a handful of payments from oil companies expected by that October first deadline, those payments should put weld near or at the typical ninety, nine percent mark. Now, any commercial or residential property owner who does not pay the remaining delinquent property balanced by October I will indeed be subject to full interests. The final deadline to pay is Four PM October twenty ninth. Delinquent taxes will go to a tax lien sale on October. Thirtieth investors may purchase the taxes according to the county and these become a lien against the property. They have the right to collect the taxes interest in fees from the property owner most standard homeowners have three years to pay off the extent, the outstanding debt or the investor could actually get the title to the home. County will send out notices of delinquent properties toward the end of June, using the most recent address from the assessor, and this may be updated. From the original address used at the beginning of the year. This has that reduced interest rate on delinquent. Taxes Helpful to weld. County businesses and the oil industry are set to expire a thirty. Now, thirteen ten KFI may thirteen ten K. F. K. A. dot com northern Colorado's voice stay with US Kevin car that guys at the movies that guys at the movies dot com ways in right around eight, thirty five. Rogue Code. Now. Weekdays at four on northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten KFI K? Tune into the hall show at noon and no co now at four pack mornings with Kayla Colorado's voice thirteen ten KFI. K. And what would Friday morning be without? Kevin car that guys at the movies tell me fat guys at the movies Dot com eight, thirty nine now thirteen ten KFI. Thirteen ten K. K. A. DOT COM northern Colorado's voice mornings with Gail. The Auto Collision Specialists Studios right wait for it for. How you doing Good I'm doing good. It's Friday. It's good. It's all good. Yeah. What is it a good fellows celebrating what is it the thirtieth or the fortieth anniversary? Probably. Thirtieth. Of Goodfellas I think came out in nineteen ninety. Okay Got Ta Fortieth Anniversary of Friday the thirteenth. You've got these sixtieth anniversary of psycho. Mike Goodness. That's incredible. Isn't it? Own. My Gosh. Yeah. Because goodfellas I mean, it's like it's all good fellows all the time so Can't get away from it where it's just one of those movies that I get drawn into. You know we all have them. Yes. The ones you don't WanNa swerve into on TV because then you're just gonNa stay up all night watching my gosh. Yeah the run time is. Six, hours long one. Martin Scorsese. Yeah. All. Right. So it's kind of it's you said in your email a thin line of movies this week. Let's talk a little bit about Kazillionaire. Yeah and the reason it's a thin line because theaters haven't been leading on fire. So to speak from the box office away, they hoped with tenants so Hollywood has pulled back on the blockbusters. In fact, he delayed whole bunch the Disney blockbusters. As well, everything from black widow to. Story got pushed a whole year. Yet tunnels death on the Nile which mocks property but owned by Disney. That got pushed to Christmas So They realize they're not going to get huge audiences. So it's going to be smaller movies coming to theaters at least in the interim Jillian airs one of those smaller movies it's an independent film and it has this feel of what an independent film from the early nineties would have been like it's it's very quirky. It's weird. It's about this family this mother father and their daughter. As they move around there Orr's but they're like knocking over a casino or anything like that. They're very small time gifters. I mean they're checking checking payphones for change and that sort of thing. That's. level. WANNABES. Yeah, and that's that's worth kajillions comes from 'cause he there's a point where Richard Jenkins the father's like well, everyone wants to be kajillions airs. That's not what you WANNA look these people aren't hundred airs let alone. Anything. So You know it's it's this weird family and they're doing all this sort of like living in this fringe of society right smack DAB in the middle of it, and another woman comes in played by Gina Rodriguez and she wants to join their disease basically joined the team but that that kind of throws a fly. because. It messes with the dynamic and you know I. IT causes a kind of schism between the parents and the kid for a relationship that really didn't have much love in it to begin with So. That's basically what it's about. It's interesting. It has its good points and bad points. It does sort of lose cohesion partway through and has trouble staying focused So I wasn't a huge fan but like you said, if you're a fan of. You know nineties era of independent films. This is something you might like. To call it nickel diamond airs. Or even dares. There you go. Well, done. Well, done. Carolina own. All right. This behavior so good so. Misbehavior with a you. Listening UK. Purchase morning. Yes this is a true story back in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. Character played by Keira Knightley gets involved with this sort of this feminist activist group and they wanNA disrupted the nineteen seventies, Miss World pageants that's taking place in London, and Bob. Hope is the host and true story. These women really really did some of these things. And The thing I found. So fascinating about his first of all, how popular Miss World was back in the day 'cause they were talking about it was more watched than the moon landing or or the World Cup finals or anything like that. And I'm like, really you know because I use that is that accurate? That guy? Apparently it is I mean I. It was like huge a global event and I look at it as like now I kinda like. Beauty contest to me just seem to be a thing of the past. Nobody. I still go on but honestly did you know who? I have no clue. I don't know either nobody. Accepts her. And even someday she wonders. Exactly. Where where all my events and appearances? Get exactly I mean it just seems so strange and It's. It's weird sort of snapshot a feminist history where you're like you look at it now and you're like, yeah, of course, they're sexist and of course sickness. Yeah. They have their turning around and showing everyone behind and everything and. then. Of course, you've got the contestants who you know it's a big opportunity for them and everything and they have other things going on culturally like it was the first year that they put the pro bowl brought both a black woman and a white woman from south. Africa to be in the. in the pageant. And it just it just seems like such an absurd thing but it was such a big deal and watching it kind of happen onscreen. You're just like man the seventies where weird. I I. Don't think you'll get any argument from me on. Holiday compared to twenty twenty because I, think twenty twenty takes the cake for weird. There's a whole level of weirdness that they didn't even predict. So I. Just staying in their own box this time you know. Wait till the yeah the twenty twenty, the movie about twenty twenty is GonNa be crazy. Yeah. Sure. It's going to be. Insane all right. Net flicks and Nola homes. Now, I didn't I didn't know the back story on this and Mike I actually told me and it sounds kind of interesting. Yeah. It's a story of it's based on a book and it's about Sherlock Holmes is the sister. And she is younger. She's played by Millie Bobby Brown who played eleven in the stranger things series So she's IOS is. Getting a chance to shine in. Her. Character's kind of subdued. Stranger things, but she really gets a chance to grow and it's a story of her tracking down her mother and trying to find her mom and at points she runs into Sherlock and Microsoft of, but it's really her movie and it kind of turns into this junior detective movie which takes place in You know Victorian London, which is kind of a NEAT little film I. I've always liked. Not just the Sherlock Holmes movies but sort of like the offshoots of Sherlock Holmes and just does a really good job I'd watch a whole series of this. Millie Bobby Brown say that three times quickly Billy by Barack. Rubber. I. Go right there with you. All right. I just wanted to touch briefly. We talked about I think I had the same story you did I'm pulled this. Station of running by you. But talking about that that you've got black widow west side story journals woman nine, thousand, hundred, four, all d'alene they're opening dates now. Okay. Tenant was not the saving grace for theatres that caps the industry hoped. But what about the upcoming bond movie? Now my understanding is that was scheduled to be released what? A November twentieth it's still on the board both and the Disney did not move the movie soul, which is there pixar film, which is also scheduled for that. I don't know if they're just GONNA, they're waiting another month to kind of see how things shake out I would not be surprised there. There was rumors that they were GonNa put soul on Disney plus that hasn't moved yet. Now maybe they'll do something where the. Disney plus Navy, they'll charge a fee move on made there were there was a news story came out last week that's an Milan. Made like two, hundred, million dollars but then they revised the number to be like sixty nine being which isn't great but it's not terrible and I wouldn't be surprised if they're still trying to find that sweet spot of what the charge. And because I think thirty bucks a little steep. So maybe they'll maybe put soul on on. Disney plus. I wouldn't be surprised when it comes James Bond if they just stick with the date. And have a theatrical run, and then like within that two weeks can give you like two weeks exclusivity and then put it on a premium video-on-demand service and that way they can be an advertising in the buzz for it. At the international numbers, which is what tenants doing. All. Right. So no time to die will that do that accomplish? What the industry hoped to as ten it did not I don't think so I think honestly I this because of Disney moving everything I think that says that. Blockbuster films the movies that need to pack them in. They're still gonNA take some time to return the fact of them keeping no time to die on the board is more I think they want to get released international because there's these movies make five, hundred, million dollars overseas, and that's why they're. They're sticking with that date and then they're just gonNA figure out some sort of hybrid model for for This my own theory that they're going to figure out some hybrid model for the states. You know until theaters are kind of like open for capacity and everyone's ready to go back you're not going to be able to recoup the two, hundred, three, hundred, million dollar movies anymore got to wonder if this is indeed the new normal for movie theaters you've got a lot of people saying, yeah it might not ever get back to normal well, unfortunately, you you put people at home for six months and they find other things to watch right through that other things to do. Kevin car fat guys at the movies back guys at the movies dot com of course, seamless plug time. You can hear his weekly syndicated radio program a real don't miss. I might add each and every Saturday right here on thirteen ten KFI from noon to one Kevin. Go have stuff weekend now. Thank you. You too take care eight, fifty, thirteen, ten Kfi K.. Rogue Code now. Weekdays at four northern Colorado's voice. Thirteen ten K. K.. Cameras Pete Firefighting crews facing their biggest test today as unseasonably warm temperatures, low relative humidity, and westerly wind gusts exceeding thirty miles per hour for a second straight day are expected to test those main fire lines that stand between the fire and thousands of homes and other structures in red that lakes, Crystal Lakes, and the glacier view communities joined this morning by Channel to pinpoint meteorologist atmospheric scientist Matt Make Ends Hey. Either how are we today? Well. You tell us because boy, it's going to be a challenging day for those firefighters as an. Sabbar. All too. Yeah. We'll be very hot record. He no humidity wind. So. Yeah. Not Not a non ideal setup by any means not only for Colorado, but the Big Molin fire in southern Wyoming to just. Laremy. So that multiple complexes we have in the area will probably flare up quite. Quite dramatically later today. I. Would Guess. So that's frightening and Do we see any break in the heat anytime soon? we'll catch a cold front on Sunday It's GonNa come through and try to catch most northeastern Colorado most of the front range foothills and balance. So that would cover the cameron peak, cover them all in It won't hit anything off at the Utah though that called for it's GonNa. Try to swing through it will drop temperatures a lot will cool off into the sixties and fifties Sunday afternoon and even and it will try to drop some rain and snow. Across the whole region late Sunday into Monday morning. But the amount of moisture may be limited for the fire areas and more the farther east you go over the plains. So at least it'd be a chance to to bring a little water to those areas though yeah. Well, we certainly need the moisture I. Know that it's turned into a cliche in Colorado own my gosh, I mean as you look at future projections are we? In line for any significant precipitation anytime soon no. No a this would be the best chance for the next week to ten days in. Then you get past the first week in October, they'll be another system coming in then around the eighteenth of October maybe something more significant at that point at least there's been kind of a consistent hint that that around that time would be a potential impact but no nothing really significant. And was the Lanier year classically most areas with the fires those firearms classically, they are much drier than average channel to pinpoint weather meteorologists Matt Megan's thanks so much as always all we can do at this point is keep those firefighters in our thoughts and prayers. That's right. That's for sure. Yeah. All right. Thanks so much have a good weekend eight, fifty, seven out yup eight. fifty-seven Thirteen Ten Kfi K. 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Garret Talks To Data Analyst Kyle Lamb About Arizona Low COVID Numbers
"This is This is great. You don't get any of this information really anywhere else. Anywhere else got a search for it, and there are people that do a great job and one of those one of those people is Kyle Lamb on twitter at K, Y, Lam and the number eight k y lamb, eight and in Kyle has part of this group of thirty or forty guys. Some women I don't know I don't WanNa I. don't even care if I hurt people's feelings, and they are out there, and they're doing all kinds of great data on covering things, your CEO's all kinds of people now doing reports for media for good media for Governors Ron scientists and the rest, and you can get it all just like I do and Kyle joins me Nikoil how you doing man. I'm hanging in there. Man. Are you doing? You, know what I'm alright and I really appreciate all your work and you sent this to me yesterday and I follow you. Very closely on twitter and I can't I can't thank you enough for doing all this great work. Because the media, the regular media is so. I don't know if they're just corrupt. They're stupid or who knows what, but they never bring these things up. You found out through your research and I want to explain whereas the Kovic tracking project, but you you put out a tweet, the top fifteen states and hospitalization rates. It's a percentage of total cases reported from June thirteenth to July Fourth Arizona has the lowest hospitalization rate. Is that true? Well. What's the number say? I was as you were to be honest. I I knew that the number of cases in Arizona Just never made sense to me, but this this I think shows that not only is the hospitalization. Not, as bad as being made out to be, but also I think it also shows how. Oddly unreliable, the case situation is an Arizona. Those numbers just never made sense to any of us that are following this and I don't want to say that they're just made up, but it just whatever telling practices are going on. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense right now. So. You know because the data and I just put it on facebook. I shared her on twitter. It's on parlor on all my stuff there. It says that in Arizona June thirteenth to July fourth they were I. Mean This is an insane amount. Sixty nine, thousand, one hundred two cases of the virus and twelve hundred nine hundred hospitalizations for one point nine percent, I mean I don't sixty nine thousand cases, and I'm looking at this, and I mean Florida, Hundred Twenty, seven thousand. We're doing like major testing here. Obviously, I mean what what's your take, because said not sure about the case. What's your? What's your explanation for that? You don't have any I. Don't have any magical explanation. I, think that era zone is one of the states including those probables that we talked about with deaths last last week when I was on the show. I think they're counting probables. What I what I think is happening is I? Think that there anybody suspected of it? Be The through contact tracing or going into hospital. Hospital and being suspected that they have Kobe nineteen hundred thirteen called problem when I think those problems are counting in the case counts I. Don't know that they're actually removing those or if they are, the public's not hearing about. It's obviously not changing the stats so I think that's one of the reasons why the are so high as if they're counting those probables, but that's. That's never really been substantiated. That just is just anecdotal. I. I can't tell and and even if that is the case, I I don't know how many probables there are an out of those you know you mentioned sixty nine thousand plus I don't know. How many were probables, but I think that there's something else going on those numbers to make them so high. Yeah and again. Because that's a combination of the giant number. There have cases it's probable and confirmed cases so there are a lot of that apparently aren't confirmed. Right. To explain again for those that maybe didn't hear. Hear our conversation last week. In this case would be anybody suspected of having Kobe. To minor symptoms or one major symptom, and they would have to have an epic EPI link what they call it a close contact with with another probable or confirm case, but that can be waived if you're in an outbreak area if you've traveled somewhere that outbreak area, and really to boil it down every single state in the United States right now is pretty much considered an outbreak area, so you can pretty much wave Lincoln just say if you have to minor symptoms or one major symptom, you could be called a probable case. Incredible Kyle Lamb is you're listening to data analyst? Finding out all this stuff? Part of a giant group of thirty forty people that are that are not only helping out governors state legislatures I know there's part of your people in your group. Again AARON GONNA. Believe one of them that have done presentations for state legislators breaking down the data because nobody here on this date apparently has a clue. And you can follow Kyle K Y lamb, eight on twitter at y lamb eight, the number eight. So. We talked about this last Friday. Also. You brought this to my attention. That Amazon is doing death certificate matching before we get to these numbers again. Death certificate matching where again. People they're going back months weeks and months finding death certificates, and if they could find any of the two minor symptoms like you talked about the virus of Covid then they say that they are a cova positive without even actually having a test on these dead people right that that's what's happening. So. That's that seems that seems to be most of it. Okay so yesterday. The Department of Health announced twenty three new death matching certificate deaths, so they may twenty three new deaths cove it right out of the ninety two. They reported. And this is what I'm trying to figure out, so if you WANNA, get a test. You actually have to have symptoms. If you don't have symptoms, they won't give you a test. I have friends that tried to get a test. They don't have symptoms. They're like no, you don't get it so even though it says we right now. According to the department health website, we have an eleven point nine percent positive test rate. That means. Eighty eight point, one percent of people that have symptoms are negative. So and I know you don't have the answer to this, but I look at that and say. How is it possible eighty eight point one percent of people that have symptoms or testing negative? How do they justify going back? Looking at death certificates without confirmed tests saying well, they had to symptoms. They're now going to be a Kobe. Probably they count as a covert, yes. That's a really great point, and this is one I made through Jersey. 'CAUSE NEW JERSEY. The funny thing is the last thirty days even though New Jersey, the worst of what happened. There happened back in April and early May. New Jersey actually leads the country in the most death in the last thirty days, and that's because they keep piling on all these probable deaths. I think they've had over two thousand probable deaths reported in the last couple of weeks. And and the the justification by Governor Murphy there. Was that what we feel? There's a really strong chance. Really strong probability that these people had Kobe based on symptoms. But as you said. Even when we were testing only the most symptomatic that we could find the positivity rate there in new. Jersey and other parts of the country were twenty five, maybe thirty thirty five percent. I think it peaked out around just under forty percent their New Jersey, so that means the probability actually says there's a better chance. That if you were sent to, you didn't go nineteen that you actually did. It's like batting average. It's like even the best baseball players in the world are hitting three hundred, which means they make it out. You know I guess. We use on base percentage. They make an out sixty seventy percent of the time right so this is Kinda the same thing you've got a better chance of not being positive than you do being positive so I. I really have I take issue with these probable definitions, because the probability says you actually probably were not Koga positive if you were symptomatic. Yeah and that's why this whole thing is a scam man. I mean it's a great point and nobody in our media asked governor. Ducey this you know. Maybe you should really look at this. They just want the numbers to go up. Go back to the big story here. Kyle and Kyle is with me here on campus team. Seven Ninety one point, nine percent are hospital rate, sixty, nine, thousand hundred two cases from June thirteenth July fourth yet in that time period where we're told where the outbreak center the whole states endanger. The Governor is shutting down gyms. Delaying school openings Limiting in in dining at restaurants. Eight so bad that we have the lowest hospitalization rate. So can we make the claim that apparently people are getting sick? They're not sick enough to even go into the hospital obviously. Yeah and I think. I think another issue. There is just like it again. Who's being counted as an inpatient? Because if you're going to hospital for something else, if you have an appendice appendicitis and you go into the hospital and you know they're going to test you while you're there and you get your procedure done, but you come back positive while you're there for appendicitis. You're being counted. The hospitalization and we know from looking at Arizona's Kobe like illness numbers that they have on the dashboard on the health department site. Less than fifty percent of the people that are in the hospital counted as Kobe patients actually showed Kobe symptoms, so it's. The accounting is just really funny, and I think what really surprises me Garrett is. I was looking at the cumulative totals and this last thirty days twelve, hundred and ninety one patience were added as hospitalizations in Arizona last month was thirteen, ninety one, which means it actually went down. Hundred people for these last thirty as compared to the previous thirty days that surprise maybe I don't know about you, but if you're listening to media, you would think it got so much worse right, but it actually went down. Now now here's the thing. Are they? GonNa, tell us that it's because people started wearing masks, and we had a mask mandate, which by the way in Tucson June, eighteenth was when our Wacko mayor. Right this Wacko mayor said you have to wear masks June. Eighteenth is when it started and then others. They were fighting, so you can't even say because this goes June thirteenth of July fourteenth. So I mean what would explain except for. Maybe we're finally hitting that downward trend is that is tha that be this? I think it could be a lot of things it could be season. Analogy could be if some of those cases are legit. I'm sure some of Mar. You know you're. You'RE GONNA. Find Their theories out there that you're going to find a natural immunity barrier after you know many people are exposed, you know whether it's twenty percent or thirty percent or whatever? Whatever the number is I don't know, but there might be a natural immunity or somewhat herd immunity I mean we. We've seen some evidence in other states and other countries that that happens, so it could just be that eventually the virus was gonNA. Burn out after spreads so much, and it's spread as much as says it has in the last two months. Then I think it's GonNa go away at some point. Yeah and again. You found out, so we had this is. June thirteenth to July fourteenth. At thirty days, the national hospitalization rate was five point eight percent and Arizona was one point two percent we. We were basically three times less than national average. Right. Interesting about that is. Some of the southern states are lower is, and it seems to be the northeastern states who were hit long ago are still actually seeing relatively high numbers compared to their cases right now, but the southern states who have a ton of cases their hospitalization. Rates are actually a lot lower than most of the country. And and then when you talk about the death rate to. The death rate for love you. Could you call it? The fact states Florida Arizona California Texas. The death rates were we're. We're lower What was IT We had three point eight. Three point eight percent is that. Is that right? Am I reading this correctly? let me double check that actually I think I thought Arizona's two percent. How we we? We were one point. Then I I I think the national average is two percent for death rate, and the fact states to one point two percent point four percent. So our death rate is lower than the national average. Our hospitalization rate is lower than the national average all over the past thirty days now I know you're not a doctor all this other stuff. If Governor Ducey came to you and said Kyle now that you know you've shown me this data. Do you think that you know should end the lockdowns? Should we open up gyms? What would you tell him? Well? I would personally say there's no evidence for lockout helped to begin with. There's a lot of people that have done have done this a number of ways. Some people have done it by the are not some people have just done a as an overlay to. Google Mobility data where you can take the amount of. Traffic amount of people that are going places they. They track that through Google, and then they give these reports by day. But there are a lot of ways to look at it, but I, don't think about downs helps significantly. That's up to say. They have zero impact, but I don't think they have been a very big indicator. As to cases actually spreading, so if I were being asked by by Governor Ducey or I would personally say yeah. The lockdowns are not helping. Man is any of this data? Kyle as anything that you're doing, is it? Is it anything your group is doing? Is it getting into the hands of the governor's office or any any lawmaker here in Arizona? I know some lawmaker. I won't call them out by name, but I know. Some lawmakers have definitely seen it in the state of Arizona I can't say whether. Or Not you know I know some people have suggested that he's not. Letting a lot of people in the inner circle, but I don't know if he's seen this or not. But I I do know several lawmakers on the state have seen it, and and I know it's it's having an influence and having an impact on the way they're viewing the situation. And and this is incredible stuff man, Kyle Lamb Kyi lamb, the number eight is twitter handle at K, y lamb, number eight on campus, the aim, seven ninety we are, we are having school. District's not all of them, but a bunch of them. That are saying we have to delay in school. Teaching in class teaching, because it's dangerous and I actually had the pima county out of the superintendent of schools asked him for a science scientific basis for this this decision. He couldn't give me one I. Mean it, so it's obvious it's all political, but now teachers are going to do a motorcade protesting. It's not safe to go back to school. It's not safe for the kids. You've done a lot of research more than me and I rely on you and I know I think. I know I know your answer. But what? You? What would you say to the teachers? The administrators that they are now say to them when they look at you and say we can't go back to in class teaching, because it's dangerous for the kids and for us. I would say they're not looking at the data because I can tell you this. There have been roughly four thousand hospitalizations for kids under eighteen. This entire epidemic around the country and that seems like a lot. But this flu season was over thirty thousand confirmed at around thirty thousand confirmed flu, and that we know that the number is a lot higher. So, this is. Probably five times. He were number of kids going into the hospital. The number of kids under fifteen that have died is twenty nine. Thirty three kids. Die Almost every year from playground incidents, so it's like we're talking playground incidents by the way 'cause three times a number of hospitalizations and we've seen from Kobe nineteen so I would say. If you're keeping the kids in, it's not based on the data, not based on the science based on fear, and there's to me. There's absolutely no rationalization whatsoever for not having kids in school. Do that is strong. Kyle man that is strong I. really appreciate you doing all this work and I. Appreciate You. you having an you know taking time out of your busy day to get it to us in and hitting us with these fax man Kyi lamb eights incredible stuff. Thank you so much for the time and I will definitely be in touch. You have a great day, brother. Pleasure as always, thanks, Garrett. You gotta take and if you, WanNa, know by the way to Kyle, also hosts a a podcast on. Sports so if you are a Buckeyes Fan, which means you're into cheating and stuff. You can listen to to him. Talk about that.
Editors Picks: March 15th 2021
"It's monday the fifteenth of march twenty. Twenty one i'm yarmulke. Roku senior editor the economist. Welcome to editor's picks where you can hear. Three of this week's essential articles read aloud up. Cover story looks at joe. Biden's one point nine. Trillion dollar stimulus bill. It's a big gamble. If it pays off. America void the miserable low inflation low rate trap in which europe and japan seem stock. The risk however is that america will be left with rising debts and inflation problem and the central bank facing a test of its credibility next as rupert murdoch tones ninety investors and offspring capacity battle over his media empire and finally a language columnist johnson on the secret to coining new words. The stories you're about to hear a just a sample of what's on offer in the paper with a subscription you can read or listen to all of our journalism for your best introductory offer goto economists dot com slash podcast offer. And the link in shannon's i up biden's big gamble when the pandemic struck it was natural to fear that the world economy would stay in the doldrums for years. America is defying such pessimism having outrun gloomy growth forecasts from last summer it is adding fiscal rocket fuel to an already fiery economic policy makes president joe biden's one point nine trillion dollar stimulus bill with was poised to sign into law after the economist went to press takes to nearly three trillion dollars. Fourteen percent of pre-crisis gdp the amount of pandemic related spending post since december and to about six trillion dollars. The total paid out since the start of the crisis on current plans the federal reserve and treasury will also pour some two point five trillion dollars into the banking system. This year and interest rates will stay near zero for a decade after the global financial crisis of two thousand and seven to two thousand and nine. America's economic policymakers would too timid today. They're letting rip. The probable result is a bounceback that was unthinkable in the spring of twenty twenty in january. America's retail sales. Were already seven point. Four percent higher than a year earlier as most americans received six hundred dollar checks from the government about of the previous round of stimulus stuck at home and unable to spend as much as they normally would in restaurants bars and cinemas consumers have accumulated one point six trillion dollars in excess savings during the past year. Mr biden stimulus americans. Another one thousand four hundred dollars each unusually for a rich country. A big chunk of the cash pile is held by poor households. That are likely to spend it once. The economy fully reopens if vaccines continue to reach. Arms and america avoids a nasty encounter with new variance. The unemployment rate should fool comfortably below five percent by the end of the year. The good news is not confined to america. Manufacturing surveys a healthy even in the zone which is behind on vaccinations and battling new variance and is applying less stimulus. Mr biden spending will further boost global demand for goods. America's trade deficit is already more than fifty percent greater than before the pandemic as the economy sucks in imports. But the rest of the world will not match. Uncle sam's breakneck pace on march ninth. The oecd club of rich countries forecast that america's economy will uniquely among big economists. Be larger at the end of twenty twenty two. The knitted been predicting before the pandemic from april to september america is likely to outgrow even china. Which is tightening monetary policy and has suffered a nine percent fall in its stock market since mid-february surging out of crisis that had at its worst moment cut. The number of people in work by fifteen percent will be a triumph for america and will stand in contrast to the puny recovery after the financial crisis. Mr biden spending will provide welcome relief to those whose lives have been upended today. America is still missing. Nine point five million jobs thanks to extra cash. Most parents the country's persistent and widespread child poverty. Fool dramatically yet though. Today's policymakers have a guaranteed place in economic history. They may not come to be seen as heroes. That is because america is running an unpredictable three-pronged economic experiment that features historic levels of fiscal stimulus. A more tolerant attitude at the fed towards temporary overshoots in inflation and huge pent-up savings which no one knows if consumers will hoard spend. This experiment has no parallel. Since the second world war the danger for america and the world is that the economy overheats. It is a risk that in have been weighing up. America's ten year bond yields which move inversely against prices have risen by about one percentage point since last summer on expectations of higher inflation and higher interest rates because of america's pivotal role in the global financial system. It's outlook for monetary policy spills across borders in recent weeks. Australia's central bank has had to increase. Its bond purchases to prevent yields from rising too much. The european central bank was deciding whether to make similar intervention as we went to press emerging markets with big deficits like brazil or with large dollar-denominated debts like argentina have reason to fear the tightening in global financial conditions following turn in american monetary policy. The fed is adamant that will keep interest rates low and continue to buy assets until the economy is much healthier inflation will inevitably rise as a collapse in commodities prices early in the pandemic fools out of comparisons with a year earlier but the fed will ignore this under its new average. Inflation targeting regime adopted last year. It is seeking to bring about inflation over. Its two percent target in order to make up for past shortfalls that is particularly desirable. Because for much of the past decade the world economists problem has been too little inflation. Not too much even if the economy eventually. Overheats jerome powell. The feds chairman has argued that this too will be temporary longer term. Inflation dynamics argues. Don't change on a dime. Might they however turn on trillions of dollars. We have no reason to doubt the feds near terms plans but neither it nor the markets can predict the eventual outcome of america's experiment. The fed might have to pour cold water on the economy raising interest rates to get inflation down. That would be awkward. Given how much it has recently emphasized its obligation to seek broad based and inclusive strength in the jobs market higher rates would puncture asset markets and might also precipitate conflict with an increasingly indebted government. Mr biden stimulus is a big gamble. If it pays off. America will avoid the miserable low inflation low rate trap in which japan and europe looked stock. Other central banks may copy. The fed's new target. Massive fiscal stimulus may become the normal response to recessions. The risk. however is that america is left with debts and inflation problem and a central bank facing a test of its credibility. This newspaper would've preferred a smaller stimulus. Alas america's troubled politics do not permit fine tuned policymaking and democrats wanted all. They could get mr. Biden's gamble is better than inaction but nobody should doubt the size of his bet editor's picks from the economist is sponsored by monday dot com. When your team needs a path forward. Where do they look monday. Dot com berko s is a customizable platform where teams can easily run. All of their work on one shared platform. It's one place to set goals. Track success and collaborate from anywhere teams are more productive when they worked together. Tap into the magic of your team with monday dot com or go less. Sign up for your free two week trial at monday. Dot com today next rupert murdoch succession planning birthday parties. In pandemics are dreary even for billionaires but rupert murdoch's ninetieth which he celebrated on march eleventh should at least have been less stressful than his eightieth back then. British detectives were burrowing into a subsidiary of his firm news corporation. Then the world's fourth largest media company for evidence that it's journalists had hacked phones and bribed police several convictions later. And after the closure of the one hundred sixty eight year. Old news of the world. Mr murdoch was hauled before a british parliamentary inquiry. On what he called the most humble day of my life a decade on from the near collapse of his. Mpr things are going rather better for the australian-born tycoon. The phone hacking scandal has receded. The choicest assets in his collection have been sold to disney at the top of the market fox. News is america's most popular if it's most despised cable channel and in a coup last month. Mr murdoch forced tech giant's to pay for linking to his content. He has the money. He has huge amounts of political power. He has it all says. Claire enders a veteran media watcher as he prepares to pass it all on. The outlook is clouding over cable. Television is in hastening decline a looming. Legal problem could prove even costlier than the phone hacking affair and the succession question a decade long saga which. Hbo arrival network cheekily dramatized lingers. On mr murdoch is still the force that holds together a formidable commercial and political project. It may not stay intact without him. The humbling experience of the phone hacking affair turned out to be a blessing. It forced mr murdoch to split news corporation into putting the lucrative tv and film assets into twenty first century fox which nicknamed good co. The scandal hit newspapers were quarantined in news. Corp dubbed crap co as the firms will modernized and power devolved to mr murdoch sons lachlan and james investors returned. In his boldest move in two thousand and nineteen the great consolidator of the media. Business realized that it was time to become prey rather than predator and sold most of the twenty first century film and tv business to disney. The seventy one billion dollars. Ms enders and colleagues calculate that since twenty eleven the holdings of the murdoch family trust which has nearly forty percent of the voting shares in each company. Have appreciated more than sixfold. The next chapter will be trickier start with folks. The larger company with a market capitalisation of twenty four billion dollars the pandemic has speeded the decade-long decline of american cable. tv last year cable. Subscriptions fell by seven point three percent to levels not seen in nearly thirty years fox whose gross operating profit in the last financial year was two point. Eight billion dollars has been insulated from this trend by its focus on news and sport which streaming companies have yet to snatch but something has changed whereas fox used to trade at a premium to viacom. Cbs and discovery to cable rivals. It now trades at a nearly thirty percent discount. One reason is that the streamers are coming for sport amazon already covers the national football league and is said to be seeking exclusive rights to some american football games. League want to reach young fans and cannot get them on cable tv. Where two-thirds of us are over fifty so cable companies are moving sport onto their own streaming services. Disney has espn plus comcast announced in january that it would shut down its nbc sports network and shift programming to its peacock service. Michael nathanson a media analyst notes that without a streaming platform for sports folks is the odd man out fox news where fox made about eighty percent of its money last year has problems of a different sort. It's close relationship with donald. Trump's white house generated record ratings but alienated advertisers and some investors. any company. You hold you want to see behave ethically says one large shareholder. Fox's in that gray area right now it's defensible but it's far less defensible than it was smart matic an election. Software company is suing the company for two point. Seven billion dollars for airing ludicrous. Claims that he rigged the presidential election. Faulk says it will fight the meritless lawsuit that some would exceed the phone. Hacking pats fox has reigned in support for mr trump. only to see view is depart for right-wing upstarts like newsmax and one america news fox news remains the most watched cable channel in primetime but viewership in february was down by thirty percent year on year even as that of its rivals. Cnn and msnbc rose by sixty one percent and twenty three percent respectively wan former fox executive observed that like mr trump's republican party fox news was trapped into super serving an ultra conservative minority of its audience. Now it's risks. Losing it without attracting less kooky view is ironically. Crap co is having a better time newspapers in america. Britain and australia provide the largest chunk of its revenue followed by australian pay tv and harpercollins publishing but a big new contributed to its prophets. Is its majority stake in aria group and in move to online property. Advertising companies news corp's share price has nearly trebled from its trough last april. Thanks in large part to a surge in arias shares like fox. The newspapers have had to deal with a global shift of advertising online. Ten years ago the murdoch companies would collectively. The world's third largest seller of ads says brian weezer of group n the biggest media buyer. Now they are outside the top ten but the newspapers a further along the digital transition than fox's online subscriptions account for three quarters of the total at the wall street journal even the new york post a perennially loss-making tabloid reported a modest profit in the last quarter of twenty twenty. A recent deal with google will see the tech colossus pay newscorp for content as a result of law passed by the australian government which news corp's papers have backed the terms of trade for content. Changing fundamentally robert thomson news corp's chief executive said on march fourth still with a market capitalisation of less than fifteen billion dollars. Newscorp is worth less than the sum of its eclectic parts mister thompson insists it is on a course of simplification having sold assets such as amplify an online education business and unruly a video ad platform many analysts think it should go further and separate the news businesses from the real estate ones at the moment. Investors seeking growth are attracted by the property portfolio but put off by the legacy knees brands whereas investors looking for value like the newspapers but not the real estate. Some also see a case for breaking up folks. Mister nathanson has argued that the firm should sell its broadcast. Tv assets and sports channels which the market seems to undervalue. Perhaps even fox news could be spun off if a buyer could be found. The brand is so controversial that it is all unsellable. Ms enders believes a full leveraged. Buyout of fox could generate an annualized return on investment of roughly twenty five percent over. Five years calculates morgan stanley. An investment bank the biggest impediment to restructuring either firm's portfolio. Maybe mr murdoch himself. When power is eventually handed down a break-up story will gain momentum believes brian hand of morning star a broker will the next generation they willing to carve the empire up and which of them will call the shots. Laxton is already installed as chief executive of fox and co chairman of news corp at fox. He has backed to be an ad. Supported streaming service sports betting ventures and credible labs a credit scoring agency. None is an obvious fit with the core news business. Insiders think he would be reluctant to trim the legacy assets particularly in australia. There is a lot of history that lackland feels very deeply part of says a former news corp executive it doesn't lend itself to clear-headedness. Lack leeann has stars in his eyes and wants to build the family empire backup through. Acquisitions believes one disapproving shareholder who also fumes at lackland. Recent purchase of the most expensive house in los angeles. Whatever he wants slack line may not get his way on rupert's death control of the family. Trust will pass to his four eldest children. James who resigned from the board of news corp last year and now has little to do with. His father and brother has made clear. His disapproval of the company's right-wing editorial line and does not seem attached to the legacy businesses. Elizabeth has warned of the dangers of prophet without purpose in the media with the elder half. Sister prudence who keeps a lower profile. They could alter the course of both businesses. If the future of the firms is determined not just by commercial logic but by family politics that would be fitting the assets in play a political as much as they are economic. The purpose of the murdoch empire has always been to wield power as well as to make money. What is fox. News for asks a former executive for mentoring insurrection. Both fox and news corp may yet face one themselves and finally making up. New words is easy. Getting them used is harder. If you want an obituary in the new york times there is one. Sure fire way coin of famous word. People have found their way into those pages on the headlines. That tout their minting of workaholic. Burn out and homophobia even over other big achievements. There is something immortal about two. The lexicon the hidden history of queen words by ralph. Kyw's an american author and former language columnist is an engaging. Look at this endeavor. It turns out to be a lot harder than it sounds. You might think that all it is needed as a catchy monica for an important but as yet unlabeled phenomenon yet iga joiners fail far more often than they succeed why it helps to look at words that make it often. They do so through happenstance which sometimes confounds the coins themselves take fred hoyle an astronomer. Who rejected the theory that the universe had come about in a primordial cosmic explosion which he derisively called a big bang in a radio interview in one thousand nine hundred forty nine to his surprise the name stock even surviving a concerted bid to replace it in one thousand nine hundred ninety three when a contest was held to come up with something more creative. The thirteen thousand entries included buddha's burp and the hubble bubble. Too clever by half it would seem as no winner was chosen. Carl sagan a celebrity cosmetologist and judge of the contest explained why none of the entries bettered the big bang that featured in the headline of hoiles obituary in the los angeles times. The number of such coinages meant disparagingly adopted defiantly before becoming neutral is surprisingly large. Impressionism was named by a hostile critic. Suffragette was intended to demean certain suffrage. Ists guy came from guy. Fawkes then took on a positive spin in america. Poster is modeled on huckster. Quakers were christened for their trembling devotion. These are cautionary tales for those who like mad scientists. Onscreen think they can control their creations clayton. Christianson of harvard business school gave disruption a new meaning in business only to see it applied so widely that he came to wish he had said type one innovation and type two innovation forcing people to read his works for an explanation. But as mr kyw's rights neighbor he wants to have to read a book to use a word. Thomas kuhn suffered a similar fate. With paradigm an old word that he retooled and popularized as paradigm shift in the structure of scientific revolutions. He eventually considered it to have lost all meaning as with literal coins. Neologisms almost always draw on existing material prolific. Minter's like john milton satanic earthshaking pandemonium charles. Dickens panelists the creeps and washington. Irving doughnut mostly shift words to a different part of speech compound them or add prefixes and suffixes even shakespeare the most prodigiously successful english coin usually operated in this way indeed in many cases even the best detective work cannot determine whether a given writer invented or merely popularized a word often suspected to be unwritten sighing. Truly novel words often derive either from commerce for trademark reasons like nylon or cellophane. Oh from literature quark which now refers to a type of subatomic particle comes from james. Joyce's finnegans wake. Nerd was imagined by dr seuss. Theodor geisel in one of his children's rhymes blurb was the name given nine thousand hundred and five. By gillette burgess a humorous from san francisco to the puffery put on book jackets. Such coinages tend to be guided by sound not meaning in some cases. They're authors mean nothing by the mature. A sense of fun is one reason why comic strips in particular have been a rich source of new words from doofus and he. gb's to goon and jeep by contrast when serious people sit down to coin words for important phenomena. They often fail. Because as mr kyw's writes the effort shows. Thomas friedman a new york times columnist. Frequent aims to popularize new terms. Few have caught on his catches. Invention was the pottery barn rule of foreign policy adventures. You break it you own it. In a double irony pottery barn a housewares chain was moved to clarify that. It has no such rule then. The innovation somehow came to be attributed to colin powell secretary of state when america invaded iraq. In two thousand and three it is tough out there. For a neologism there may be easier ways to earn bit jury. Thank you for listening to editor's picks for more from the economist. Subscribe economists dot com slash podcast offer. I'm mike dirocco and in london. This is the economist.
3 Relationship Routines that Successful Partnerships Use to Build Deeper Connection
"Burned out busy overwhelmed over word these days when we've got more priorities and tossed handle than ever before according to the bbc while we don't necessarily have less free time and our counterparts in the nineteen fifties. It sure can feel like it. That's impact of technology creep because of all on notebooks phones and apps were more available than ever so we have less uninterrupted time when it feels like time and energy edges slipping away like sand. How can we prioritise tending to our relationships. Today i'm going to give you three relationship routines that will give you the time and space to build a love that lasts. They're also tons of routines weaken develop around our work. I often ask my guests about their daily in life routines because to me when they created thoughtfully routines structures that set us up for success today. Would continuing the theme of looking at one shop to each week from my book. Think like a monk and going in deepa this week on chapter six which is all about how we can develop routines that will enable us to train our brains and direct our lives to achieve our goes and to feel great to meaning and satisfaction. Here's a short passage from the chapter. That's my inspiration. For today's pod caused in the ostrom. We started each morning in the spirit of the day we plan to have and we trained ourselves to sustain that deliberateness and focus all day long. Sure that's all finding good. If your daily schedule involves prayer meditation study service and chores but the outside world is more complex. One of the biggest differences between live at the ashram and life in the outside world. And it's a huge one. Is that at the schramm. Monks celebrate now as a former monk. A married and so my entire life is bound to this other very wonderful person who i absolutely love and reflecting on that made me start to wonder we talk so much about individual routines and creating and setting those with intention but what about relationship routines and a lot of people don't want to have relationship routines because they think it takes out the spontaneity. Yeah leads to monotony and it leads to feeling the same and getting bored but actually routines make space for spontaneity structure as kobe. Bryant told me on the pod caused when he came on as a guest. Let's love to him and john and the family. He said that structure creates spontaneity. So today we're going to look at how you can use the signs of routines to support your relationships. Now i know that for some of you especially those of you who've been together longer might be thinking j. The problem is that too much of our relationship is routine. We need to mix it up if that's the case. You probably don't have so much routine in your relationship as bad or boring habits things you're doing unconsciously horace mann american educator once said habit is a cable we've thread and lost we cannot break it now. If those habits you've developed On intention negative ones that cable would seem harsh and restrictive right. But what if you could create thoughtful and positive habits that help to we've a cable of deep connection and trust between you and your partner today we're going to talk about the routines you can consciously co create that will strengthen your bond and enliven your relationship now just a note before we dive in. I'm going to focus on romantic relationships but for their singles out there. Don't worry i'm also going to include some specific advice and insights for you and of course this can be applied to friendships too. So if a start is when we're building routines we want to focus on the outcome. We're trying to create now on the show of had the honour and pleasure of talking to relationship researchers and experts join and julie gottmann founders of the gottesman institute. And if you missed episode go and check it out because it's filled with incredible insights and advice one of the things. John goodman has uncovered in his decades of research on couples is that there's a critical ratio. That has a massive impact on determining whether all romantic relationships succeed or fail. That ratio is five to one and what those numbers mean. Is that for every one negative interaction you have with your partner. You want to have at least five positive ones if your average is lower than that if you say three positive interactions per negative one or if you have more negative interactions than a positive one. According to the data your relationship is not likely to succeed. So knowing this i'm going to say let's create that as our intention in building these relationships routines to support positive interactions in our relationships. And get that number up okay. That's our goal. Here's an idea. Take a sticky note and put on the refrigerator or the bathroom mirror or if you have something like a white border chalkboard bulletin board in your home tack up a note that just reads five to one. That will remind you both of your wife a training these new routines into habits now. Have you ever done that thing. Where at the end of the year you look forward to the next year and you kind of set some goals and you plan some things out or maybe you're starting a new project and you have to map out a way to get there. So what do you do if you want to be successful. you break it down into smaller chunks. Right you look at. What's my end goal. Then you look at. What are the incremental pieces of steps. I need to take to get there for us today. We just established on end goal. We wanted ratio of five to one positive to negative interactions even more positive if we can manage it because we want to feel long-term meaning and connection in our relationships. We don't just want to be in our relationships. We wanted to enjoy them to feel seen and heard and supported. So how are we going to get there just like with the work personal goal project. We're going to break your new relationship routines down into the things that you need to do. Daily weekly or monthly and seasonally to reach that five to one goal or better. Now you might say gee that sounds like a lot and i'm already busy already feeling overwhelmed with work or the kids just with life. How am i going to do all of these new relationship routines and stick with them. I get it so many of us are feeling overwhelmed. There are two things first. We're going to make these routine simple. These will be things that you can actually do. That won't take too much time on money or other resources. And here's the second thing. These routines are designed to pay you back the time you invest in them will actually make deposits in your bank account in your relationship account and into personal account. You'll actually feel more connected with one another and so by doing these routines you'll feel more resourced and energize. So let's start with one relationship routine you can practice every day now remember. You can always add more daily routines. But i encourage you to start small because if you take on a ton of new routines all at once he could feel and you keep them up before it gets the daily routine. I'm gonna tell you a story. This was something. I came across a website the other day on a page of anonymous people telling stories of moments that in them and i really love this one one day. A young man was walking near a transport underpass when he saw an elderly woman shuffling along carrying a shopping bag full of groceries in each hand as she approached the stairway he hurried towards her man. Can i help you. He asked thank you. She said and let him take the bags and holder elbow while he walked her up the ladder when they reached the top. She said young man. Can i trouble you with another favor. She turned and pointed down the street. Would you mind walking me to the far corner of that intersection. It's just that i'm in a hurry. Every time i go out my husband likes to meet me at the corner near our house. He'll be soon. And i don't like to keep him waiting. The young nodded sure. He said and walked down the block and through the intersection to the opposite corner just as they were approaching the corner sure enough from the other end of the block and oldman shuffled towards them as he approached. The young man could see that the man was nearly blind and the old woman told her husband about the young man's kindness. The old man turned to him shook his hand and thanked him as a young man walked home all he could think about was his girlfriend and how he never met her at the corner or anywhere he never help toad groceries. He sometimes didn't even look up from the television when she came home instead. Just muttering. hey what do people so often say about relationships. And what's truly meaningful. It's the little things right. The old man meeting his wife at the corner was no longer a little thing because of their physical challenges it had become a big thing but it was a routine that it started as a little thing many years before. That's going to be your daily relationship routine. Make time for one little thing. That's a really big thing and this routine. We'll take you literally one minute you to stop what you're doing down your phones and have no other distractions and this is all going to do. You're going to look into one. Another's is and say something kind to the other person like an expression of gratitude appreciation or affection. You can even hold hands if you want. That's it. I one goes then the other. I've been practicing this in my life unconsciously for years of noticed that whether it was my mother cooking for me on my father or whether it was my sister or my wife or a friend i would always always appreciate my gratitude for the work that went into it. I've never been a cook. And i find it very difficult so i really realize how much effort goes into cooking just thanking someone for the f. time that put in even if it's interacting the way they interact with your children the way that person comes home from work in a positive mood whatever it may be just noticed. Sta and be specific. I often talk about the importance of being specific when it comes to gratitude and signs backs that up in an analysis of nine thousand hundred different studies on gratitude researchers found that when someone expressed gratitude about something specific instead of something more general the person they expressed their gratitude to was more likely to pay it forward to go out and make a contribution to the world at large. It's great to tell someone. I love you or i appreciate you. But if you're really specific your words or more impactful and memorable they also help you learn what words and actions your partner values most so when you do your little thing when you have your focus minute together say something like i really appreciate how you read books to the kids late at night so i could go to bed a little earlier. Thank you or. I'm grateful that you took the car for an oil change so i could take that zoom call. That was really helpful. And i like that. You're such a great teammate. In that way. Or i just want to tell you that the sweater you're wearing really shows off your eyes and then one of my favorite features of yours. Hey creating a new routine. Even a simple one can be hard. Science shows that when we link a new routine to something we already do. It's easy to maintain so try linking. You're focused minute to something you already do. And they already do. Maybe you do it when you're drinking your coffee or tea in the morning fasting after you wake up or while you're eating breakfast or if it works better before you go to bed just be sure to give it hundred percent. Han divided attention each time for that minin. So those of you with kids you might have to sneak into the bathroom or a closet together together minute alone. But it's worth it. It really doesn't take much and again. It has a huge impact a lot of the time when we talk about advice for couples. We talk about the importance of dialogue and open communication. And that's true but it's also true is that you've been struggling as a couple or if you've each been carrying a lot of individuals stress it can be really hard to put everything aside and try to have a deep meaningful conversation. All of a sudden. Vivid morty who's a physician and a former surgeon. General of the us says relational context is the foundation of dialogue. He says it's hard. If not impossible to sit down and have a truly open minded in meaningful talk with someone and that you already have a connection. This simple daily routine creates brief moments of meaningful ongoing connection. So that when it's time to have a deeper discussion it's easier now. That's your daily routine so until weekly relationship routine. I bet you know what i'm gonna say because this is the advice that's all over the place have a weekly date night right but date nights all. They're cracked up to be a group of researchers analyzed data from nearly ten thousand murray couples to find out how often they a date nights and how long each day together they found that eleven percent at a weekly date night. Thirty percent had a monthly date night. Twenty three percent said they had somewhat of a routine date night but he was less frequent than once a month and thirty six percent said they hardly ever had a date. Night switch was. Do you think to the longest over the next ten years. The couple's he stayed together with those who had a date night once a month. And get this those who had a weekly date night at the same odds of staying together as those who hardly ever had a date night. Now that might sound counterintuitive. But to some of you it probably makes sense after all. The research noted that some couples said planning a weekly date. Night was just too much pressure. Dead to come up with what to do. They had to spend money many couples to find a babysitter for others. They genuinely had too many other demands on them to make a weekly date possible. So let's break down this idea of a date night and see what routine we can create. That is truly positive for your relationship. Here's the thing a routine is like a frame and a frame by itself is well empty. It's what you fill it with matters. Are you gonna fill your frame with someone beautiful and thoughtful or the print of dogs playing poker routines a great because they create a structure in which something can happen but the quality of that. Something else is up to you. A structure creates priority but it's content creates passion. It's not just about having date night. It's the quality of the time you spent together. Sometimes date nights performative right. They serve as something you just check off on your list or post a pic on instagram and they lack meaningful effect in your relationship. Some people absolutely love their weekly date night. And if that's you that's great. Keep it as your routine but for the rest of you if you've never tried date night or weekly date. Night is just not realistic or grades. Too much pressure instead. Try a weekly or monthly play date one of the things that's really hard on relationships is falling into rights plus everyone's so busy and burned out these days one thing we could all use a lot more of is fun and play so whether it's playing a board game together in a room going to party together even zoom happy hour way you socialize as a couple playing tennis or another sport as long as you don't get too competitive or even taking some of your kids building blocks and building something together or coloring finding something fun and low stakes. That doesn't pressure heavy expectations tied to it. Although lego can get pretty serious and the thing i also love about a lot of these ideas is that so many of them are totally free. You can also make them time limited if you need to spend thirty minutes doing a puzzle together if that's what you have and be creative. Something will work you one couple. I know had two very young kids and had recently moved across the country so they had no one. They knew and trusted to babysit some days. They said there was so many demands. Interruptions it was impossible to just connect with one another about something other than the kids the house now though they went to sleep at different times. They both avid readers. So the solution they came up with was to create their own. Two-person book group. It actually happened by accident when one board a book on kindle and mentioned she was going to read it and aparna said. I'd actually like to read that too. So they read it at the same time. They found that insperity minutes here and there like over breakfast that start talking about it. Like what paul you are. And what did you think when this happened. It became a little bonding thing they were doing and they both really enjoyed and two years later. They're still doing it. They've now read fifteen books together. The other thing you might have noticed is that all of the suggestions made off line. That's because these days we spent so much time with our technology it's like phones and computers steal our attention from one another when we unplug. We bring our full attention to the other person and the activity were participating in and single tasking. Not only good for your relationships. It's good for your brain. It helps you. Focus and be more mindful and present overall now lastly onto those less frequent routines. A common suggestion is to take an annual trip together. And that's a great idea but for one. It's just more accessible a realistic for everyone. I have a little bit of a different take on it. And that's to have a routine for something you do together every season so that's four things a year that are specific to that season. Now those things will differ for you based on culture and what the weather's like in your part of the world at different times but for example. I have friends who every fall drive down. Particular road called skyline drive to see the leaves changing color. They put on music and just enjoy the spectacular scenery together. I've other friends who have a special cookie making day every christmas. It's not just a routine. But a ritual. They look forward to year one of the things. I love about this. Is that like nature relationships. Have a rhythm everything. There is a season as the song says. Having things you do together seasonally helps you connect in a way to larger rhythms of life and the passage of time and over the years. You can reflect on these repainted experiences and also discuss some of the things that have changed in your relationship for better for worse since the last time you can take the opportunity to look at what you'd like to keep and give gratitude for and what you'd like to release from your relationship now singles. I promised i'd have something for you. And i haven't forgotten his the pot and something really encourage you to do. You can tend to your relationship with yourself in these exact same ways. Being single is an incredible opportunity to do something that so many of us really do which is suspend the kind of time and attention on ourselves. We sometimes wish another person would spend on us. But here's the beautiful thing. When you actually culture a powerful loving and supportive relationship with yourself when you do get into a relationship with another person you then coming into it from a more empowered and balanced place so you're more likely to have a relationship that's healthy and that lasts because you aren't looking to this one person to me all of your needs. You're already happy so daily. Take that minute to look at yourself in the mirror and say something supportive or kind to yourself or acknowledge something you appreciate about your so weekly or monthly have a play date with yourself do something engaging and fun and have special routine of something you do every season that you enjoy and that can also serve as an invitation to reflect on what in your life you want to keep and what it might be time to let go so those three relationship routines designed to increase the quality of your relationship. 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NBA Draft Profiles: Villanova's assembly line of reliable NBA picks should absolutely continue with NBA-ready Saddiq Bey
"Hey, there it's Kerry parents. Welcome back to the CBS sports eye on college basketball podcast where we sometimes discuss camel fighting leaky black. Matt norlander is here with me and as previously noted in addition to normal episodes of the podcast witty are also regularly recording short episodes on various prospects in the two thousand and twenty. NBA draft today we turn our attention to. CITIC Bay he's a sixty four to play two seasons at Villanova helped the wildcats when the outright big east title in two, thousand, nine, thousand, hundred, nine then led them to a share of the biggies title in Two Thousand and twenty over fifty and fourteen in sitting bays. Two seasons on campus. Remarkably, he was only ranked one, hundred, thirty seventh nationally in the class. Of Two thousand eighteen according to twenty four seven sports that made him the lowest rated prospect in Villanova's foreplay air recruiting class by eighty four spots again, according to twenty four seven sports regardless he was Villanova's most impactful freshmen in the two, thousand and eight, thousand, nine, thousand, nine, hundred and he averaged twenty nine point, six minutes per game when no other freshmen. On the team averaged even ten. Then if breakout season came this past season, that's when city sixteen point one, point four, point seven rebounds two point four assists in thirty three point nine minutes per game he took five point six, three pointers per game made forty, five point one percent of shot seventy, six point, nine percent from the free throw line. So sick. Bay. He's a forward with size who can shoot from the perimeter guard multiple positions. There's a lot to like and we're going to discuss him as a prospect momentarily ba I check this up. To time superbowl champion branks McFadden also known as be Mad Mike Check to. and. That's Patrick. Peterson. A fellow cornerback, my cousin, and now my co host on the new podcast all things covered part of the CBS sports podcast network. This season Pat will go from the football field on Sundays to the studio on Mondays to bring you the perspective of an active player at the top of his game and the name says it all sure we'll catch up with pat P. on how he? In the corners affair, but we'll also talk about other sports, our personal interests and social issues. Then we'll cover even more with prominent guests each week with seventeen years of NFL cornerback experience between the two of us. We thank you enjoy our coverage skills. So download and subscribe now to get weekly episodes released first thing Tuesday morning all things covered is available on the podcasts, spotify stitcher and wherever else podcasts are found. So, norlander today's topic is Villanova Sedikh Bay? I haven't Gone Tint in my two thousand and twenty NBA mcgraff you have him going eleven. So we're in the same range year we both like it like him more than it appears most other people with jobs like us like him, what are you like about sitting, Bay as an MBA prospect? Physique I think that he can be a really solid to guard. I think he has the attributes to be a a kind of player parish who will have More immediate impact in his rookie season than a number of guys that are taking before him, I know I have invoked Brandon Clark's name on a couple of these draft profile pods in the past. But Clark was one of those guys who in the lead up to last year's NBA draft. I. Was insistent that he would be better than many guys drafted before him in his rookie season that obviously turned out to be quite true to the tune of at least ten or twelve players Sadique Bay goes eleventh I think that he has potential to be a top five player impact because it could be a combination of where he goes the team he lands on him why I think he's just. GOT NBA ready skills. So keep that in mind I think he's got he's he's also developed so well perish. I mean. Let's let's talk about this real quick Villanova has obviously as of late with more success and championships you're going to inevitably That's to be your returns in how you're going to get guys into the NBA and. Since two thousand Seventeen Villanova has had Josh Heart Jalen Brunson Amari Spelman, Dante, Jeevan Kenzo, Mikhail bridges, and pass six players. Go to the NBA draft. It's the university's hottest run on players since the mid nineties what's the ten Thomas Shouts to carry shouts to Alvin, Williams, Anthony, Piel, all these dudes. So they've obviously hit a bit of a renaissance there but. I do think that he is going to have really good after obviously carries a tremendous reputation I think that also helps to coming from Villanova most of their guys who've been drafted in the past four or five years. Have arrived in the NBA and certainly been able to handle it and had been ready from the jump. If. He gets to tin and I'm not sure he will although most mock drafts do have him outside of the top ten I got intent you've got him eleven At Ten Phoenix Suns that's a team that might be projected to make the playoffs next season. So goes into a good situation there Devon Booker, de'andre Aden at eleven San. Antonio Spurs or picking Great Organization Great Coach Great. Culture at thirteen, you get the Pelicans picking that's teaming up with. Zairean, going forward at fourteen, the Celtics are picking. So really if he does listen I'm sure he wants to be the number one pick in the draft but if he falls to ten at ten eleven thirteen and fourteen, he's available for any of those spots. Those are all good spots to land. So if you're sitting bay I I think you feel pretty good that you've got a decent chance to end up not only as a lottery pick but as a lottery pick who actually lands in a spot where you would prefer like you point out, he can play. Multiple positions. Did you mistake shooting guard? You think he's going to be a shooting guard I think it'd be a shooting guard. Yeah. I mean I know he's bigger but I, think that the way that he plays I think that he can the way that he plays in the way that certain NBA teams on their offense. I think that he can be a big to if necessary I, mean obviously fits well into a three but I do think that there are certain advantages to his style that if you wanted to plug them in as a to given who on your roster that he could, he could make that work. I think more likely. He's a combo forward who can maybe played three different positions but but but more of on the wing three, Guy Pecan probably guard for positions he switched on the point guards. At Villanova and his assignment, most Games was to guard the other teams best player regardless of position I saw this quote from Cal Neptune Villanova assistant the article in be dot com done by Chris Dortch and here's what cal said about sitting here. He's a legitimate six eight with guard skills. We played him at every position while he's been here he was our third point guard, but defensively he guarded. As assistance, we did the opponent scouts and we always try to match up with the other teams best player who should be guarding this guy, and it was always CDC if it was the point guard city would garden if it was a two or three city garden if the best player was a four man Sadique would guard him as well. so He's versatile defensively. legit six say shoots a high percentage from three point range in college smart player unselfish player can dribble pass and shoot better shooter in passer probably than ballhandling right now. But still in a time in the NBA words import to be able to do all three things, he can do all three things like I. Got Him in the top ten. Sometimes, it feels too low. I won't be surprised if if wherever he's picked within much of the game starting you go. He went to low I kind of float that Roma's well I don't I'm not comfortable putting. Sadique Bay top five but. In, having done. A few months over the summer here there have been just points where I've you know I've wondered. Can you validate putting them at like seven or eight and I think that you can he was he didn't have a lot of point guard responsibilities, but he can certainly handle it. He he's responsible with the ball didn't turn it over a ton he wasn't. To me, he wasn't an elite player in the big east, like right think about the best players in the Big East last season obviously miles Powell comes to mind Marcus Howard comes to mind He was really good I. Don't know if he was he was necessarily great but he was a fantastic player and he's also a testament to the player development at Villanova. As you mentioned at the top of the podcast, he was the least heralded. In his recruiting class two years ago, and then within basically ten games, he had proven himself to be the most important of Villanova Freshman on that twenty, eighteen, twenty, nineteen team, and Kinda sustain that throughout because remember Yvonne Quinlan quarterly he that was that was a flameout situation course wider was anticipated to be the kind of player who could step in be a big time three point shot maker. It just didn't quite happen for them and then. You look up and Sadique Bay is is is the most important guy in that kind of translated again into last season with Villanova was quality team twenty, four, seven, you know obviously call was I think the teams most important player but bay Bay more than proved himself there in that regard and his defensive acumen like a couple of the players you I mentioned on previous podcast that's going to get him drafted high I will say this. You've got ten I've got him eleven. If we look up on draft night, which by the way I neglected, the mention is on the previous podcast barring any. Situation prompting another delay. The NBA has officially decided that the draft will be November eighteenth, which means We will have the draft on the eighteenth in college basketball season can start on the twenty fifth. They will be separated by the week that's going to be a we're GONNA have one hell of a weird November perish But if he goes at bay drops to thirteen fourteen, fifteen thing, it's thinkable I just I don't see how that's validated in a week draft like this with the prospect like Bay who's proven what he's proven on both ends of the floor to through two seasons I'm with you like again what what box does not check I ate shooter guards multiple positions work ethic unselfish. Strong family like that's another thing that matters his mother. Her name is Wanda. She Played College Basketball Charlotte. She has a PhD in educational leadership. She was a high school principal and she is now the Instructional Superintendent of secondary schools in The Washington D. C. Public System. So incredible accomplished mother like I. Care about that stuff, and so what's not the like and giving you a six eight forward who can make shots guard multiple positions switch onto smaller players. and has an incredible reputation comes from a good family what what what what do you want and throw on top of all of that again, the track record with Villanova players let me just run down these guys real quick and and explain to you how this can only help basically even though every individual person is an island unto themselves in terms of their overall there stock and how teams evaluate Kyle lowry you know first of. All it's been fourteen years since he was draft fourteen and a half years it's just that's I mean I'm getting old I cannot believe that lowry was drafted in no six but indeed he was and we had it here in Memphis for a little while exactly that's where that was the team that he was drafted to and he's not a hall of fame player but he is certainly among the top forty players in the NBA. has had a long lasting career and he was he's outperformed expectations when you're the twenty four pick in the draft no matter how great your to Your College Demon Lowery certainly was quite valuable to Nova You're not expected to last fourteen years and in your fourteen season be significantly important part of a of an NBA team that's one championship and trying to make another deeper on the files in the plants. I should say that's what lower did. Randy Foy he obviously he's stuck for eleven years again, a quality player, and then Dante Cunningham ten years. Then you get to the recent guys Josh Heart has been an impact player for the past three seasons in the NBA. Jalen Brunson has adapted quite well despite being the thirty third overall pick spelman has not has not landed and there was some. Spellings, the only guy that when he left. I remember when he left there was just some belief inside and outside the program like he's capitalizing. Now after winning a title, he really might do himself a favor if you could stay in reshape his body and develop even more so it could turn around from he's just not hit overall but even Renzo getting plenty of burn with the box and they had a flame out in the playoffs all that but he's been what they hoped. He would be at the seventeenth big Mikhail just top ten pick went over to phoenix he is not a top three player of importance for the suns, but certainly immediately, he has proven his worth and value than. Eric Pascoe who I thought was a great fit with the warriors as wind up sticking as well. So I think that these players having this this track record coming out, of Nova, adapting to the NBA whether you stick with one franchise or you're the kind of play that bounces around to a couple more and you still get guy are valuable i. think that's going to help with Bay I. Do think that he is going to be like to me worst case scenarios randy four he's not maybe he goes maybe he gets picked seventh or eighth like Randy. He's eleven year player in the League I could totally see that and I think that is his. Eric Pascoe by the way I team all rookie in the NBA The season and. I'll tell you another thing about city. is a few more things. I mean the the basketball stuff we've gone through. He comes to Villanova and in that first season just plays a role. He's just a role player and is totally comfortable in that role not trying to do too much playing thirty minutes a game totally comfortable and the next season I know you said, you didn't know if he was great because when we talked about great players in the big east, it was mostly Marcus Howard miles, Pow Marquette Seton Hall. But like he was first all big east and I would argue that when you're the best player at Villanova, you're great like. You might not get talked about as much as the guy scoring. Forty. At Marquette or a guy doing it for. At certain points in time atop team at Seton. Hall. But like you're the best player Villanova in this era Villanova basketball, you're you're a great player. So I like that and then I also like that he was a sub one hundred recruit coming out of high school. And now is thought of as a possible lottery. because. There's no way to be misled by that. You earned that in college if you are ranked outside of the top one, hundred in high school, and after two years of college, you were considered a possible lot likely lottery pick that means you have shown the things that you know on a big stage that make that possible for you my point being this. Jay mcdaniels might be a first round pick and it will have nothing to do with what he did at Washington he was he sucked he sucked in college. But. He still might be a first round pick because. He measured a certain way runs a certain way. He has a skill set. That is intriguing and he was considered a top ten pick coming out of high school. So somebody. Picking Twenty, six go. was going to go top a year ago. Maybe it was just a bad fit at Washington. I don't really know what went wrong there. Exactly. GonNa top ten talent with the twenty six pick. Let's take it and then it might just blow up on you or just never materialized because and then you'll go out I guess I should have saw this coming the guy was not good when he played in the PAC. Twelve was Sadique Bay you come into college with no real NBA expectations, and then after two years you're considered a possible top ten guy possible lottery guy that means you've earned it. So he's not here on reputation developed three years ago or even one year ago he is here based on what he did. On the stage that the big east provides and I think that makes him a safer pick. Then maybe one of these one and done guys that wasn't quite as productive as as as that you thought they would in in their one season of college and when I say for I, don't mean just safer I think the upside for being a high level starter in the NBA for a long time I think that's as well. Yeah. My final thought on this is that you almost take him depending on who you are and like if you go if you weren't. Ibn should if you will end with New Orleans for example, that seems like it would be a roster that he would really fit in well with. But they've also got a coaching situation to figure out. There's just a couple of different spots at different intrigue but you draft him even though I said that I do think that if he goes eleven or twelve or lower like I do think that he is going to be outperforming that relative guys that are taken ahead of him that might not bear out five seven years from now but I do think in the first year, Bay is going to wind up being a pretty impactful player I. Think he'll adapt pretty quickly, but you almost draft him. One because you think that he's the right kind of player for you, and then he can help your franchisers. No doubt about that. But. Under the same circumstances or projections as to Winnie. Entered Villanova. He's not he's not a lock top five guy not only guy within this draft class and again would be really reserved for really two or three guys in a given class for the most part. But you get him and then you hope that you plug them in, he can be a role player and and earn. You know thirteen fifteen seventeen minutes a game maybe maybe that goes up to twenty, four, twenty, six by the time you get you know seventy five percent of through the season and then you look up and see how well he's been able to adapt to the role mature within a year's time, and then he's really producing in a way where it's almost like. A bonus. But really you're GONNA, draft him to say, okay he might be our seventh eighth ninth, most important player depending on which team he lands on, and then if whatever we can get your one year two that's great. But we're really going to draft him thinking that he's going to grow into this role into this pick and be the kind of guy that. that we want to give a second contract who wants he enters into, you know the final stages of that first contract overall. So that's my that's the way. I. I. See him I do him a lot I just find him to be a safe pick. I find this floor to be exceedingly high and I think that informs my opinion on him as much. As anything else I just don't see any sort of situation to pay enters the NBA, and then we look up in three and a half years and he's kind of been like in the G. League and now he's lost his way. He's not really sticking on a Rosser. I just don't see that happening I think he's going to be a minor roster for least decade. I mean, there's a team in the NBA, a franchise in the NBA. That could use a six eight forward who can guard positions and shoot the ball from the perimeter consistently well, again, forty five percent from three point range this past season. Again really high floor here I cannot envision him not being in the NBA. For for a long time and so we're really just arguing. Over, whether he's going to be you know a top three player on a good team. Top four player on a good team or just a guy who's who's in the League for a long time. But six eight guards multiple positions shoots the ball welfare, the perimeter great reputation as a worker and a high basketball IQ guy like I. Just I don't see what there's not to like obviously, there are guys with. Higher upsides Anthony Edwards falls into that genes. Wiseman. Falls under that Lamelo ball falls into that but. If you're looking for a guy who is going to be able to help you immediately. The debates picks that box in with the pelicans picking. Thirteenth. 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"In fifteen seconds guidance internal Chan nine ignition sequence, Spence nuts. Three to four or five to one. At the not reported feels good. I'll again. And thank you for joining us on space nuts, astronomy podcast. I'm your host Andrew Dunkley and astronomer at lodge professor. Fred Watson joins us yet again. Hello, fred. No, andrew. How are you today? I am sterling Lee. Well, how are you? You some. I'm, I'm dully. Well, there you go. I wanted to get that. Don't even get it myself on your way you were coming from, which is a bit of a concern. Yes, it, isn't it? I'm not going to explain it. Someone's. For themselves. Today group we gotta talk about except planets. There's a couple of stories in the news about it so planet, one, in particular, is this discovery by the Uris by Esso about an ex. Oh planet. That looks pretty hot pretty darn hot. And has got quite a storm going on as well. So we're gonna talk about that. And the number of Exo planets has surpassed a significant number. So we'll we'll talk about that, too. You may have heard that Nassar's all female space. Walk has been canceled, which must be a great disappointment because it was going to be a huge mall Stein in space. I'm sure they'll get another chance, but it's not gonna happen this time and some questions lock we were really whittling them down Fred. But since we last spoke, we've received bed four or five so with with back in debt. But we got a couple one about what happens when black holes die. What do they turn into if anything too good question? But I particularly love this one from Kevin in Melbourne about throwing stuff at earth while you're in space. I mean, quite literally, you're outside and you throw something what happens to you and to eat. So it's a really interesting. Question got a little anecdote to add because I actually saw. A program recently, where that situation actually arose. So it's it's a bit gruesome, but I'm gonna tell it anyway. But first of all, Fred, let's start with this amazing story about this discovery in the form of an exit planet. Yes. So this is some work that has been done on the European southern observatory's telescopes, the European southern observatory, of course important in our deliberations, because Australia is now involved with a strategic partnership with e so which allows our astronomers here in Australia access to their four giant telescopes eight point two meter telescope down in Chile. However, those four telescopes are normally used independently, but you can link them together and you can link them Dan with four small telescopes which are called auxiliary telescopes. I can't remember their about one point eight meters in diameter realm than the eight point one and they're all hooked together with. Underground light paths that allow the beams from always four telescopes to be combined and what that forms is something called an interferometer an inter perimeter allows you to see things in very, very great detail. It's what the radio astronomers use all the time, they use arrays of telescopes to mimic to mimic, a bigger dish to beat down the, you know, the amount of data to beat up the amount of detail to beat down the resolution legislators the whales about to say, which is all about detail. Optical, astronomy, visible light astronomy is a bit harder because you've got combine the beams directly, so they technology has improved enormously in the last few years. And we've had some very spectacular results from this TI is called the very large telescope into Verona sale. We've seen the details of stars orbiting the black hole in the center of our galaxy, for example. But this latest research concentrates on extra solar planets the planets orbiting around other stars on one in particular, which has been studied with the veil TI, a star that rejoices in the name of HR eight seven nine nine eight. The tells you is one of the number of planets orbiting the star HR eight seven nine nine. The electric Dan tells you what George of planet it is in terms of discovers, it's the fourth planet because that's right. The, the star is actually the I. Yeah, I know up sorry. It's the fifth. Because the star is the unadorned number. So the first one is a CD. That's right. So it's quite a system, isn't it? Yeah, it is it is. And this is perhaps one of the most interesting of all the planets, first of all the star our HR eight seven double nine is a young star. It's only, you know, thirty million years old, which is the blink of an eye in cosmic time compared with the age of the sound of the earth, which is four point six billion years. So this is much much younger, and that means, it's, it's a world that is still very, very hot from its formation an impact the scientists estimate surface temperature of one thousand degrees celsius. Yeah, it makes us some as look quite benign, really here in Australia, and the reasons for that partly the, the still leftover energy within the, you know, within the, the body of the planet from its formation, but there's also really strong greenhouse effect. The stats the same thing that keeps the planet, Venus warm. It's going to very strong greenhouse effect that holds its temperature about four hundred fifty four hundred sixty seven just to Cape are American listeners all all three of them happy. That's one thousand eight hundred thirty two degrees Fahrenheit. They don't forget the thirty two degrees. Yeah. So, but the interferometry technique has basically, now, allowed people to look at the details of it in, in particular, you get because he can economics alight. The light of the planet. Only nothing else you can produce a spectrum of the planet atmosphere, and it's, it's very, very detailed. And that's what this work is based on. So the basically the late scientist is a man called Sylvester less girl, who's at observer twenty three in France. And he has worked with the basically with colleagues in Europe. What, what vests for says is our analysis shows the HR eight seven double nine eight has an atmosphere containing far. More carbon monoxide than meeting and something, which is not expected from equilibrium chemistry either expect those to basically not to exist together until he says we can best explain the surp- surprising result with high vertical winds within the atmosphere presenting the Cup preventing the carbon monoxide from reacting with Arjun to form maintain so this clearly something really weird going on. And they further that, that means very, very stormy weather, and they found that there are clouds way for this clouds of iron and silica dust in the atmosphere. And so when you put that in to the picture with the carbon monoxide the outcome is that the atmosphere of this poor little world is just one big violence storm is just a raging inferno of a storm. It's got cancer written. Whatever it is going. Tries not good news. He's. The clouds of silicate and on particles. I can relate to with their dust storms at he try. Exactly. He said. He said, this is Silvestre again. He goes onto sales of observations suggest a bowl of gas illuminated from the interior with rays of warm, light swirling through stormy patches of dot clouds, convection moves around the clouds of silica tonight, particles, which dis aggregate, an rain down into the interior paints a picture of a dynamic atmosphere. Exactly that, again, dynamic atmosphere of a giant exit plan is said birth undergoing complex, physical and chemical processes. So what we're seeing here is a face that we know the earth went through some pretty dramatic phases but not as dramatic as this, because the earth is a much smaller world than this one says bigger than Jupiter, super Jupiter. So, so it's a guest giant, it's a gas giant a while. That might not be. Yes. It's probably guess giant, that's right with all this stuff going on. That was fear. So if anybody you know, travel agent or anybody else. As you holiday on HR a double nine a positive. Yes. Indeed. Well, what a horrible place for this of it sounds like. Fueled a min- solar system. So not that is that, but I was a pretty benign compared with this still horribly dangerous. If you until the chance to go there. And we're bringing to all of them now haven't we? Got in great detail. You're innocent Neptune of the of the ones in which we have the least amount of Dato, the others have all had a pretty good luck. But returning to exit planet. It's we have other news. This is quite a standing on new we'd found a lot, but there are a lot lot of a lot. Yes. Just about four four thousand so well, when was the first one discovered nine thousand hundred five so we're talking about twenty four years of, of activity. And I guess the, you know, the outcome of all this is just a. Astrophysicists I now pretty well every star in our galaxy will have at least one planet around it, and that, that was something that we guest out years and years ago, but didn't have the wherewithal to measure it. So there are two big archives of these Exo planets that sort of bring together all the information that we have NASA rods one is called the exoplanet archive and they have I think short, that assembling light three thousand nine hundred and third twenty six I think is the number that they've got. So they just under the four thousand limit. But they've got over four hundred candidates which have already been detected by the tests space telescope just waiting for confirmation, and, and more than two thousand two and a half thousand nearly that are still waiting for. Information from the Kepler space telescope, of course, which is where most of this four thousand came from. So if all of those turned out to be real planets, we're talking about something like where are we three thousand seven thousand bullets? I'm just turning to the other Big Joe, always forget to carry the one. Yes. Just turning to the other big I will come in the other big exit planet at list is a catalog run by observatory which we mentioned a few minutes ago, a lovely place, if we got the chance to go beautiful old building built in the sixteen seventy I think it was built in. Then past four thousand dollar ready. And it's because they just have slightly different categories of what these planets, whether they're confirmed on that. So the bottom line is four thousand is about the number of exoplanets that we know which means I'm going to have to update the chapter of the book. I'm working on. So that's why brought science fiction because you have to change anything the several things this book is all about cutting edge science. And I tell you the nightmare every time I finish chapter the trouble with cutting edge science is, it's, it's always in flux Klux. Yeah. Exactly. You saw the book and her a date next week is out of day, almost before it is on the shelves never mind. It's not, you know, the bottom line. Why do I write these books to entertain people as you know, the answer? Yeah. About stone. Okay. So great news on Exo planets. You're listening to space nuts with Andrew Bentley and Fred Watson. Radio show. We scour the planet defined the biggest names in health creativity. Wellness strategy brand management and more. This is going to be crazy this Jason overcome retin-a on. Hi, this is Cal Newport, author of deep workday. This is Brian Paul Davies found injury. Burgum. They Canadian national direct team speaking dis take pleasure. J fighter visited Mojo radio show. I'll be to see you. We asked them the big questions, MS such a great question. Actually landed right on the MARCY, another really good question talking to Harvard's on a little bit more in their you that I had on the lake five hundred interviews. But nobody asked me about this. Wow. Sometimes we talk about, darts cleary. Oh, can I tell you, Gary favorite sport? He's dots. How athletes? 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You know, sending probes and then the space shuttle program, which sort of kept people going in, in the couple of disasters that sort of piqued people's interests, and then things settled down and space missions of sort of become fairly normal to the point where they happening, and we don't even know it because they, they really make the news unless you pursue it yourself by by following certain websites, and blogs, and, and so on, but there is a story that has made a lot of news, at the moment, and that is the plan to do an all female space, walk, which sadly has been cancelled. Probably only temporarily I would guess because I don't think I don't think he'll be long before. We've got all female spacewalk. So, of course, it's part of the routine of work combined the international space station, people have to go outside from time to time to not, not kick the tires and check the wheels. It's more about changing equipment usually, and those that involves spacewalks which always involved two astronauts, I think. There are times paps when it's only one, but usually too. And there were plans for something quite impressive coming up, I think it was going to be early in April. I think Bob possibly next week as we speak for the first all female space will was two female astronauts. Because at the moment, there are two ladies up there on the international space station, Christina cock. And and McLean, who both? Qualified for spacewalking. So the idea was that, that is an installation needed on the outside of the space station, and it's installing batteries. And I guess these are fairly solid lumps of technology rather than the kind of thing that you put any camera or anything like that. The installation of those batteries was going to be the very first spacewalk mission with two females, but it's been can the now the question is why, and I know the answer and it sort of. I mean, now, one of them didn't get sick. It was nothing like that. It's something much more unfortunate or mundane or whatever, whatever you wanna call it. It's just one of those quirks of fate or suppose you're classic is quicker fate, but you have to choose your words carefully here because it's true strikes me as being very. Copy say it's, it's a sort of feminine thing in the sense that. You know, I know my partner for example, has to be sure that she's wearing the right thing before she goes out, and I know she's actually a lot less picky than some people. But I believe -volved. Of. Fred. Keep thinking, but yeah, it's a wardrobe issue because there's only one spacesuit the rights FIS. And it's a medium size, and that's what's caused the issue. It turns out that both these astronauts need a medium size by sues spacesuit. There are actually two medium-sized spacesuits aboard the space station, but you need so much preparation. One of them is ready for spaceflight ones. Not an need so much preparation that they more rapid solution to the problem is to basically cancel for now anyway. The, the two females space walk. It comes about because. Let me just get this, the right way round. The I think I I'm McLean has trained with both medium and large sized space suits. But she turns out the medium, one fits better, and that's probably why the changes be made because. Christina cock is definitely a, a medium. And so that's what has, has actually, you know, 'cause the issue to people the same size. Now, you might think, well, surely a space is not particularly specific in size, just a big kind of bag with air in it, that is arms and legs that people get into. But apparently, it's all about what's called the, the hard upper torso the shirts of the space suits, which is a, you know, a pretty solid part of it, which really needs to fit specifically to the astronaut is going to use it. And so it's. Yeah. Rather than rather than try and engage on getting the second medium size. One ready? What has happened is that, that, that has been a change in astronaut rather than a changing spacesuit? There isn't comments come from. Somebody called brandy dean who's a spokeswoman at the Johnson Space Center in Houston saying. And this is something I guess you and I have talked about this kind of thing before people sizes change when they get into space. That's right. A sued you getting microgravity it brings about changes in the body. Do you remember that story? Was it last year? Somebody who grew about four inches somebody. He was actually probably bit longer than that last may bit. Yeah. Yeah. Grew four inches. The twenty dollars knee turned out to be a mistake. I think. Yeah. Anyway, that's the bottom line so disappointing that we're not gonna have the, the world's first set of instead, this ending at one of the mile, astronauts, Nick hyg, and this is where the other problem came in Fred, his sex change operating just wasn't done in time. They unfinished. This is to go at his main. Yeah. Just just keep digging out drew. To join holes. I'm sure they'll get around to it, though, because it would be a great moment. And isn't is it true? I have vague memory that women are better equipped physiologically for space better suited to be astronauts than men. I don't know the answer to that. But it would not surprise me to go to feign. That's the case. I think I read it somewhere. They do they just seem to be better suited. Boom. Boom. You probably read it in one of your science fiction book. Accepting this case, not better suited, which is unfortunate. But we'll we'll certainly tell you when it happens because I think they'll get another crack at it and not to distant future. This is space nuts. I'm Andrew Dunkley in. He's fred. What's. Space nuts now. Fred Tom to bump off a couple of questions. We're going to start with when we actually got recently, but it sort of tickled fancy in. We're going to tackle that. Now, this comes from cave in Melbourne, guy cave. Thanks for the question. We love this question. It basically goes something like this. I'm wondering if you can advise, what would likely happen if an astronaut was to decide to whole a tool as fast as I can at earth while spice walking obviously they would go backwards themselves somewhat, but what would happen to the tool with a high sideways velocity? The tool would not fall straight down. But would it pick up a Spade under gravity and without any air pressure for some time? And he chance it would hit the ground good question before you answer it. I was watching a science fiction science fiction animation recently, a program called, what's it called death? Love plus robots. And this was a a an episode called helping hand and to give you the short story, and astronaut was at doing maintenance on a satellite. She got. Not off the satellite by something spice junk, that hit the hit this out, a lot, then dislodged her. She lost all power to her suit and could not use the jet pack to get back to her, her ship, when she realized she wasn't going to be rescued in time. She Toni Cade her arm and took the gloves off, exposing her lower arm to open spice and it froze with the other arm. She threw the glove in one direction to propel her in the opposite direction. Unfortunately, she missed and had to save a haram and do it again. But she she got back on her sheep now. Well, yeah, that's a good question. But what he's talking about that. Actual that action of throwing something in space propelling you in the opposite direction to where you thrown the, the object in her case her arm in, in this case, it could be a spanner will who knows what so. Yeah, what's the story frame? Well, it's certainly true. If, if you threw something in space, it would propel us slightly backwards are, but only by much well, unless it was something with was the same way, as you that, that will be a much lower velocity that you, did you would impel yourself backwards with the whatever it is. You throwing. But it's yes. Interested me too. Did this the way too so that the last part of caps question is any chance, it would make it to ground? And. Dance has no. Because a glove is if you could if you could make it lose altitude enough that it would hit the us atmosphere would burn up very quickly. So it would basically just burn up onto the respraying, but why interests me about it is what you would actually do, because he wouldn't throw it directly downwards, because if you do that, the objective, thrown let's say it's a tool, a spanner or something like that. If you down with essentially still got the same horizontal velocity is as you have. To the slightly lower altitude, but he's still moving at the same spayed effectively, and what would happen is. Paradoxically would start overtaking you because it's law is narrative the earth and exorbitant Spade, it will be higher. What is nearer to the earth? But that also means it's nearer to the a satisfied. I mean we're talking about relatively small distances. See if you really wanted to get it back into the atmosphere, as fast as you could though you what you would do will be throwing backwards. So give it a velocity opposite to the one that your being carried forward with not lost as nearly eight kilometers per second. So anything you could throw doesn't really make much of an impact on that. But it would reduce it very slightly. So you throw the tool backwards and that means it's now moving at a slow alot of velocity, which puts it into a lower orbit. So it would actually eventually overtake you even though you've thrown it backwards. Because it, it would sink below the orbit urine, and loro bit means going faster. And that would almost certainly hit the atmosphere earlier. It's a bit. Like when you want to change the orbit of a space craft, for example. Let's look at the opposite problem if you're in an orbit around the earth, and you want to put your spacecraft into a higher orbit, you basically do a forward. Bb burn off the rocket exhaust backwards that propels you Ford's gives you an extra velocity. And what that does is it turns your always into an ellipse an elongated circle. Wind chill. This is point is actually moving slower than you were to start with even though you've given it more velocity. You moving more slowly a bit bizarre. You've put more energy into though, so it's higher energy orbit. It's all a bit. Uncanny is the way Orbis work. But yes, it very nice question. And I hope somebody'll try one of these days, throw something backwards up international space station. Would it be hard to do given the velocity Trump? I mean it's just hard to imagine throwing something against the flow. But there's nothing out there so you don't you wouldn't be failing anything, would, you know, that's right. So if you throw through an object to the backwards from the motion of the international space station, it, would it would actually look more or less. The same whichever way through it because it would just be propelled off into the distance. But it's what happens to it later as the orbital mechanics, kick in that make it different. Okay. But if you have direction you did throw it, you would be propelled somewhat the opposite way. Yeah. Very slightly. That's right. Okay. So no cutting off arms in space and throwing them at things because that's never good ide-. And I'm sure a torn occa- wouldn't actually seal the breach in your suit, and you'd probably die. Anyway, that's my way of thinking science fiction, you can do whatever you like. That's why you're. Series is called death, love and robots. Your clue is in the first word it's a bizarre series their animated films. And they're all of at fifteen ten or fifteen minutes long that episode was called helping hand just in case someone's wondering it was really good. Remind me not to some of them are bizarre. Now let's move on. We've got a question from Hugh Simmons. Here's a bit of a regular, but he comes up with some interesting ideas, and he obviously listened to something we talked about recently in regard to black holes Evaporating, and he said, I'm curious about this one or more curious about this one, because I think he asked us another question when a black hole evaporates does. It's mass lesson to the point where it turns into something like a neutron star or does it just eventually evaporate to nothing. I cannot imagine a black hole becoming nothing. Yeah. Because it's nothing ready. Well, it's something it's got massive. Some of them have got, you know, four four billion. You can see what's going on around. So, so the reason why got. It's appoint black holes defined as a point of infinite density, as we've mentioned before. And the reason why it's infinite is because even though it's got mass, it's got no volume and, and the, the dense Stephen object is mass ova volume. And so if you dividing amass, which might be for billion times, the mass of the sun by volume which zero it's always gonna turn out to be imprinted doesn't matter what, what you put on the top of the top of the equation. So. That's right. So it's definitely not nothing. However, it what's interesting about this question is, is one of never thought about before I have to say, but my guess is that the answer? Is it evaporates to nothing because? The let's look at the process of evaporation. This is sounding very Monty. Python nothing can come out of nothing. All of black hole theories straight out of multiply to about it. It's the process is hawking radiation. That makes evaporates and that's a quantum effect is. When you get these virtual particles being formed, virtual particle has being formed in spice out of nothingness. This is where it gets even more Monty python. If one's fogged on one side of the event, horizon the others on the other than one's lost into space and the other stays in the in the black hole. And it basically va- parades over billions of years. What did we say last time we spoke about this that, if you cut us all a black hole, the, the mass of the sun wants Sola mass, it will take ten to the power, sixty four years to evaporate. It's a very long job. And of course, the is only while thirteen point nine times, thirty point eight times ten to nine years old. So it's a lot longer than the age of the, However, I my guess, is that it would fizzle away to nothing not to an intermediate my subject, because a neutron star is the result of a star collapsing the end of his life, when they you know, the nuclear processes give out because it's run out of fuel so that there isn't the radiation pressure to keep the thing, inflated a star collapses. And if it's above we now know she's two point two Sony fees less than two point two times, the mass of the sun, but more than one point four times, the mass of the sun, it will turn into a neutron star. What that means is that the matter of this object collapses, and a stoneleigh stopped from further collapsed by the outward pressure of new Trump's jostling against one another. Which is why. It's called a neutron star. That's an entity than the exists had those weird things we get on pulsars and also things like that from these objects, but it's, it's, it's collapsed has been stopped with a black hole. That's not happened. A black hole has more than two point two times the mass of the sun neutron pressure won't stop the collapse. So it goes down to this singular singularity appointive, infinite density, and he can't then go back to becoming a neutron star. So as it evaporates, it will just lose its mass to space and eventually will just fizzle out altogether. There won't be anything there. That's a bit sad. It is. It's such a Sunseeker something such so so cataclysmic Lee, powerful you just wouldn't anticipate that it'll just fizzle into nothingness ever long long, long time. That's right here. Yeah. I suppose everything ends everything comes to an end even black holes and even space nuts. Yet today here. Well, we just. So that won't be thinking about today. I don't get any wild ideas about where I'm going. I'm not going anywhere. Good. And thank you for your question. It was it was a real good one to get the, the Brian meta munching and we do love your questions. Kate them coming and we'll do our best to answer the mole. We try to double up in due to awake. So just one and a half questions sent to a week place so that we can catch up slowly. Lockup. And thank you for it, as always, it's a great pleasure. And a lot of fun. Good to talk to you under we'll speak. 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The WANK Worm, Part 1
"Nisa was warned. December twenty second nineteen Eighty-eight deep inside the dark halls of the gut art space Flight Center in Washington DC, a ticking time bomb is set. Thousands of computers in facilities around the country. Unwittingly spread an unsolicited malicious program set to go off in less than thirty six hours. It comes with an ominous message. Hi, how are you? I hit a hard time preparing all the prisons. It isn't quite an easy job. I'm getting more and more letters from the children every year. And it's not so easy to get the terrible Rambo guns tanks and spaceships up here as the North Pole. But now the good part is coming distributing all the presents with my sleigh and the dears Israel fund when I slide down the chimneys, I often find a little present offered by the children or even a little brandy from the father. Yes, anyhow chimneys are getting tighter. And tighter every year. I think I'll have to put my died on again. And after Christmas, I've got my big holidays. Now, stop computing and have a good time at home merry Christmas. And a happy new year your Father Christmas. Hi, I'm Ren Levy, welcome to malicious life in cooperation with sideways. If you've listened to our two part episode on the Morris worm you'll remember how groundbreaking and event. It was the Morris worm began spreading around the US on November second nineteen eighty eight. And in only a few days time had infected an estimated ten percent of all the team Puteh's then in existence. It was a wakeup call that this new technology are quote unquote, worm could cause so much chaos in such a short time. But there's another worm that affected just as many computers. As Morris did not even two months later. It was called Father Christmas. Its main target was span. The space physics analysis network span was necessary operating network, connecting the various teams and facilities as well. As some related government organizations. We remember in nineteen eighty eight that the incident as we know it did not exist. Fewer than one hundred thousand computers where in use around the world. Most of them connected only to other computers within their same organization university. Oh government from the network protocol to the operating systems to the computer models themselves spent Ren over a network comprised end to end of technologies built by the Massachusetts based Digital Equipment Corporation or deck deck supplied networking tech to organizations around the world which together comprise the deck net. Overall the system worked quite well. The company. Vex computers as they were called were powerful for their time and for the fist seven or eight years of its existence. The span network was productive and secure. This was the internet before the intimate with all the positive and negative connotations therein as a NASA reports from the time presciently noted quote the deck. Knit on one hand has solved. The problem of transparency between computers, regardless of what designate network. They are connected to on the other hand the deck net internet provides the connectivity to make one networks security problem. Everyone's concern and quote as systems manager for span at messes, gut art space Flight Center, John McMahon nicknamed fuzzy face for his fluffy beard was the guy who's the world's best. Scientists would call for tech support being part of the organization that put a man on the moon. I'd have to say his job was relatively less dramatic than that of many of his peers about that began to change beginning on December twenty second of nineteen eighty eight. At four fifty two PM Iskoe Stein, an unknown individual using a computer at the university of new Chateau in Switzerland unleashed a program to the deck net. Internet which connected span with various other wide area networks running over the same. Dick infrastructure. Not ten minutes later. John McMahon noticed the presence of the strange file linked high dot com on his network in DC. Hi dot com. What we now called the Father Christmas warm was a simple program. I command file type written in digital command language. It began by searching the network for random node numbers. Once it hit on legitimate note. It would attempt to run a copy of itself either by gaining access to the target system through the default username and password deck net and that net or by exploiting a legitimate built in program that allowed node. To start a task on a remote, computer. If high dot com fails both attempts to run on the target system. It deletes that copy of high dot com. If it succeeds it slowed into memory, and the original file is deleted. Then it waits the worm will check the computer's clock. And if it's between twelve a m and twelve thirty am on the morning of Christmas Eve, nineteen eighty eight. It compiles the list of all users of the computer system and sends them each friendly letter from Santa. The Father Christmas worm is less. Well known today, partly because MAURICE Caine I and partly because Morris was inherently more destructive. In fact, where MAURICE was a story of drama and intrigue Father Christmas was little more than a fun side note of cyber history for its part NASA distributed to technical reports on the Father Christmas, warm. They introduced new auditing software that would allow system administrators to more rapidly address future network vulnerabilities are computer users at the organization where advised to strengthen their passwords, but it was not enough. You know, the saying it's not rocket science like when your boss leans against the wall of your cubicle. Looks down at you and says in that Snyder tone finish the report, Jim it's not rocket science. There are a very select number of people in the world for which that seeing doesn't apply people who go into work every day to do the remarkable work of sending a giant machine into outer space people who when their boss walks up to their cubicle are allowed to say. Give me a break. It's rocket science on October sixteenth nineteen Eighty-nine. Those people went into work preparing to launch a space shuttle that very day, but when they set down to their computers, they were met with an unexpected greeting, wink, the screens read your system has been officially wacked you talk of times of peace for all. And then prepare for. Four. Not one year after the Morris worm fault nine thousand hundred eighty nine very few people knew what a computer worm was. In fact, some NASA employees probably didn't know what the word wanker means either. It's a predominantly British term for something that the men does well by himself, if you know what I mean, the confusion would have only grown worse when in logging into the computers, those employees were met with a nonstop rolling screen of all their files being deleted one. By one delivers fight the latest his latest fight. The computer was methodically. Deleting years worth of sensitive information, representing billions of dollars of government investment in research. And there was no way to stop it. The when quorum was structurally much like Father Christmas. They were written in the same coding language, the use the same. Method of finding new computers in a network by conducting random node number searches most important of all both worms leveraged the same crippling security vulnerability common to all computers of the time. The lack of network segmentation allowing them to spread quickly and effectively recall how far the Christmas search for accounts with a username deck net and password designate Wenk worm did the same. But at a few more common strings like system and field. It's because when vacs computers were built and sent off to NASA, Switzerland or anywhere else. They'd come preset with among other things, a default admin account, these high privilege accounts came preset with standard username and password combination like DHEC net and decadent NASA employees had been warned about this type of security vulnerability already after. Father christmas. You'll recall a notice was sent to spend network users encouraging them to change the passwords, plus changing default passwords and making sure your password is different. From your accounting is sever security one. Oh one you don't need to be a rocket. Scientist to understand that. It turns out though, that even if you are a rocket scientist, you might still not understand that as went broke into more and more computers. It developed a database of high privilege network accounts. Some of those it's cracked where no more secure than using named system. Password system, but Wenk worm didn't just crack weekly security accounts within hours it had penetrated not only a majority of the span network. But also other connected networks like the high energy physics networks or hep supporting the US department of energy. On the ground and nineteen ninety seven book authored by solit- Dreyfuss and research by the now, famous Julian Assange paints, a portrait of what went on inside the halls of NASA and the DIO e that oak dober- nineteen eighty nine and it's not pretty John McMahon at NASA in DC and Kevin Obermann and network manager at a DO. We adjacent lab in San Francisco began investigations both would come to find that as difficult as it was to uncover and stop the Wenk worm half their work would be dealing with human errors. That's because the went quorum was designed for psychological damage. Not physical like how it would show computer users a running list of their deleted files, presenting before your eyes in real time each individual file on your computer being unthinkingly ceaselessly deleted. It must have been utterly terrifying. To scientists whose life's work representing countless hours and dollars was disappearing for no good reason when McMahon and Obermann actually looked however they discovered that all this was a hoax Wang form didn't actually delete any files at all that the lead delete delete screen was a prank. In one case, for instance, beset manager called McMahon to him that the Wenk worm destroyed his whole system McMahon later recalled, quote, he just didn't believe us when we told him that the worm was mostly set of practical jokes. So that manager re initialized his system returning it to factory settings and in the process leading on these data doing the rank worms job for it. Fake, the leading sensitive data was very much in line with the winks authors strange sense of humor another component the worm leverage. The instant messaging feature of designate computers descend Bill one liners to other machines in the network one liners like, quote, the F B is watching you and nothing is faster than the speed of light to prove this yourself. Try opening the refrigerator door before the light comes on and quote McMahon Obermann in their small security teams were half cybersecurity incident response have customer service support as they worked to both mitigate the Wenk worm and mitigate those panicked bite NASA for one had no centralized map of its own network. Nobody McMahon included had a clear picture of its size scope or orientational. So being John McMahon. Trying to track the origin and path of the wink worm. It was like being in epidemiologist trying to track a plague without having a world map. John was receiving frantic phone calls about computers. He didn't previously know existed in trying to reach manages other NASA locations, he found the contact information on five largely outdated. Then matters got even worse when the manager at NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory decided to take their segment of the network flying. You can understand why he did it. He was able to stop the worm from spreading to JPL by simply disconnecting from the rest of span. However JPL was a routing center for the rest of span and by taking down JPL, many other branches of the network went down to Wenk worm was prevented from reaching these areas of the network. But so was John McMahon. We're here at the UC Berkeley seismology station where they reported the strong earthquake ED's exactly five four PM to one of the first ever major. Competed worms must have been difficult enough. Now imagine having to do that why the walls of the room you're in your desk. Your keyboard are all Shaka's day October seventeenth nineteen eighty nine at seventeen hours four minutes. Fifteen seconds Pacific daylight time. A strong motion earthquake emanated from a location sixty miles south south east of San Francisco near Loma Prieta in the Santa Cruz mountain range. Largest strike December. Militias life is sponsored by cyber reason. 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And how it's moving as well as the ability to do Twitter es, and and and see kind of a threat patterns how they're how they might be evolving or how they might have come in hooking into. Threat exchanges for hashes that are constantly coming out indicators of compromise. They're constantly coming out. All put in the back end cyber reason without us having to load it. I mean is this fantastic. We love Siberia. Four seconds after the structural motion was perceived by people driving on the viaduct. The progressive failure radiated north and south word from each of these sites. Approximately two seconds later the entire structure had collapsed. This is only a summary of the California highway patrol's response and findings concerning the October seventeenth nineteen Eighty-nine seismic shaking of the San Francisco Oakland bay bridge and the Cyprus street viaduct two of the effects of the Loma Prieta earthquake Kevin Obermann released his anti wink worm program. Exactly five four PM Pacific standard time on October seventeenth nineteen Eighty-nine. We know this because as he was making the final touches in getting ready to send his report out all corners of the the six point nine magnitude. Luma period earthquake struck the bay area in California just as quickly as it. Clicked? Send on his Email did Kevin have to rush out of his office for fear of his own safety. Escaped unharmed, and he's anti wink program worked. It was a very simple fix. Actually, tanning one of Wang quorums. Simplest features against it like Father Christmas when when Kermit fist entered a new computer system. It will check for a vision of itself already running there, perhaps the writers of both of these programs had seen what happened to Robert Morris worm how would infect the same computers. So many times over that those computers were essentially broken in the process, if Wenk where a ready present on the target system visited the incoming copy of the wink, worm would simply self destruct taking advantage of this feature. Obermann simply wrote a program that pretended to be the Wenk worm anybody who's computer was not yet infected could run anti wink. So that if the Wenk worm did come poking around it would mistake a homeless program for a version of. Itself and self destruct on the spot. John McMahon distributed his own version of anti Wang. And by the end of the day on Tuesday October seventeenth nineteen eighty nine. Just over thirty six hours after the wink were first released to designate NASA, the department of energy and other effected organizations had been cute. Five days later. John McMahon received a call the Wenk firm was back with a vengeance. Wang, forum two point. Oh was not fooled by over man's anti went software when it entered a new computer system, it would simply destroy any tuition of the worm. It saw what I'd be a vision of itself the Elliott worm or the anti wink program worse than that. Though, it rewrote the passwords to accounts in broke into now users will not only -ffected by locked out of the computers. This spelled doom for anybody affected. But especially system administrators admins are who you tend to if you're locked out and need to reset your password. But what if the admins themselves where lucked out Wenk one point? Oh, only pretended to cause damage but Wang two point oh very much dip. But help was on the way Ben out Pirot was systems manager at the French National Institute of nuclear and particle physics one of the European organizations along with Sirte, the university of Switzerland and others that was just as affected by the way, where as nessa and video parole came up with an anti worm perhaps even more clever than Obermann was the first time around. He took advantage of one component that didn't change between the first and second versions of the wanker, right list dot DAT is a file which lists all user accounts on events computer, and the wink worm would attempt to break into accounts it found in right list as a bridge point into new targeted systems Bill in order to stop the second week. We're built Wang underscore shoot a program that will rename computers right list. Five. And replace it with a decoy when Wang two point oh pursued the decoy list. It would run into the cyber bomb hidden inside nearly two weeks later went on the school shoot had successfully finally defeated the wind core. It's November nineteen eighty nine. Now, the winning is defeated and everything is back to normal. Maybe you were expecting me to finish with a nice the end. But what if I told you that everything you just heard is only half of the story in the next episode of militias life. We're going back to the beginning on a journey to reveal the wink firms creators, this journey will take stem cells and miles across the ocean to stray Leah and five hundred eighty eight million kilometers out to space the Jupiter. What does the challenges space shuttle disaster and stray rock band has to do with a computer world all that? And more next time. I'm malicious life. That's it for this episode. Stay with us for the last segment of our show Melwert exploded, cyber reasons. Researchers will tell us about interesting, malware, they've analyzed recently special. Thanks this episode to sweat Dreyfuss and Julian Sanchez book on the ground which provided much of the research material for this episode. If you're interested in reading more about the wink, worm you can access the book online nearly half a million people already have it's quite a good read as always you can reach out to me at andt. Ran Levy R E N L E V, I on Twitter and ran at Ren Levy dot com on Email website is militias dot life where you'll find all of our previous episodes with full transcripts and fellow at militias dot life on Twitter for updates on new episodes as air militia slash is also on cast box the most advanced and. Feature rich podcast listening app. I'm cast box using myself. So if you subscribe to malicious life on cast box, you can also reach me there in the comments section of our channel cast box is available on all platforms including Android, Iowa's, carplay and Android. Oto? Malicious life is produced by media. Thanks again to Savary's fund writing the podcast. Learn more at cyber dot com. And now wear exploded enjoy. Hello and welcome to mail, wear explorer. Each time we talked to a security researcher from SABA reason about interesting Melwert, they've analyzed. And try to understand the techniques ideas and trends in the mail where world and today, we have with us in the studio any Salam security analyst at Saturday's and global security operations or suck. Hi, elliot. And our star Melwert today is what's known as Estra Roff Trojan that is quite a mouthful for me. So before we dive into the mail wear itself. I understand that Esther off is aimed mostly at Brazilian users and organizations, we already discussed this particular fact in previous segment of our show. But let's give our listeners a quick reminder. Why Brazil was the cyber seen in Brazil? So the most important thing that happened in Brazil in two thousand eighteen is that it. Was a year for election so allowed portion of fishing meals that that happened in Brazil and happen specifically that regardless of where related to some candidates or some let's say, hey, these candidates need your votes. Come open, this male and help him so loud, large as form of social engineering. Yes, exactly. So it's not easy being Brazilian these days, I think, okay? So describe to us the general outline of the asteroid attack. So like a lot of phishing campaigns. This this campaign started as a fishing mail. The mail was with attachment of zip file that contains an Alan Kay file. So this file is basically shortcut. I mean, like windows you confess it, and it will bring you to the place. It aims to bring you. But in this case this shortcut, head department or that. Invoked w my and these w my gain access to a remote page that contained the produce of downed in the mall rid self and bring it to to the infected machine, and we'll dive a little deeper into Ellen. K fires in the second. But after at the actual mail, rare is downloaded into the computer. What then so when did the the Mahler is Donald at it firstly need to check. If if the target is what is looking for. I mean in in some cases, we sold it. Demolished checks if it's on Priscilla and computer, and if not it's it's just not executing himself itself. So an if yes, it started down additional pill this mall didn't came as a once. It came several several modules that downloads everyone after the atom. Yes. Several fights that masquerade himself has a pictures. So a piece. People that see it cannot guess it's it is mar because he see picture. So after that, it deployed self is in a lull beans, which is a method calls leaving the land and its uses native windows operating system processes to execute it, and the model can decide whether it deployed off using a specific to specific processes of gas technology and avast or if it don't find them, so it will out through through windows native processes, and then it goes to the actual acts of stealing credentials and targeting mainly understand correctly, banking, organizations or banking accounts. Yes. So just to kind of give the general outline again, we're talking about an attack that starts as a as a link via some sort of spearfishing fishing attack. And then there's download we have gale fencing. I mean checking to see that your actually user in Brazil and only then the attack commenced. Well, let's begin with diving deeper into the militias Ellen k file so what is an L N K five. So an Allen can file is a file of those you can create an but by right, click on your mouth, and you sit you will see an care. So as I said other K, he's basically shortcut, you can press it and in this hour KFI, you have some variable that called Kohl's target. And then you put the path of where you want to be to go when you press it. So that Tucker's put a command in in this verbal that his command was a command to get files or invoke w my process to reach a remote several that. I will have a militias. Commands in it and to invoke them. So a lot of the militias activity did not occur in the computer. It occurred in a remote computer in case file is just a pointer. Yes. To an actual script that resides. Exact even off the computer in some remote server. Yes. And in a lot of cases, Alan Kay file target. It's not ugly. But it contains a power show command in it. So if you press it it will it will execute the partial camman, although you didn't want to or even open partial command. Okay. So that's one interesting aspect of the asteroid Trojan and the other prominent feature of this meal is it's use of two interesting processes one is is for the avast antivirus and one is for G A S technology, which is I understand very popular software organization in Brazil. So I bring I why avast I mean, it's. It's an antivirus why would a male where author used an antivirus? So we need to remember two things one. The attack was occurred in Brazil, so Baldi Gusta can log. Yeah. These processes related to a Brazilian security vendor. So by statistics, the possibility of finest this process will be in Brazil machine. So they try to maximize that ex that aspect inversed it. It is the most popular antivirus in the world. So they consider okay. If we don't have a security vendor from the state, there will probably will have the most popular antivirals wall. So we should try this one too. And so give us like a general idea of what the male where does so these processes does it use them for. So the middle the model Cam is a module and model is like. Portable digital fine. But it's adult deal at the end. And models can be loaded and being executed. We see it in windows in the process like handy eleven thirty two or registry. Al, and those are legitimate native windows processes that all their purpose are too low the model so avast contained a specific process that they create and he's a purpose is to load modules. So when they're Tucker executed, the the militias module through vast, the creator, the creators of this process didn't want or didn't think that it will be used as militias because these processes is supposed to be trusted. I mean, it's high privileged process in the system. Yes. But as as in the same case of the winners processors, it can be used from leashes process purposes because. Because of its nature to just load modules this also for gas technological the process that been used is also capable of floating modules it didn't meant to load malicious modules, but it is part of his capability. So it was exploited. Yes. Which brings me brings me to the final question. How can software developers let's say design their software. So it will be less exploitive in this kind of way. So I think it's it's always matter of designing the always matter of secure code. So you need to verify that if let's say module is loaded by what if your processes only specific files can be loaded by this process. I mean, if you are a company, and you have a process load file, so only your files only your specific company files can be loaded through this process. You can't just give everyone. Access to do it. And this is what we saw in this case. Thank you very much. It wasn't very interesting. Thank you. Thank you. Music music music.
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"So this big dog and pony show on capitol hill testifying in front of some house committees about trying to censor fox news. Newsmax one america. You know let's get out of here because we'd be a much stronger country if we only had liberal. Tv networks right. That would be really really good so that was the hearing. Nothing will come of this but there is a plan. There's a reason why this is happening. So i got bernie goldberg woman up in the bullpen. Now gonna come on and walk you through it. it's a it's an important story and here. Here's the setup so basically the there are too liberal members both california congress people who are driving this. Let's can't soul fox news. Let me get their names here. I do have yes. Anna issue and jerry mcenery. We told you about them yesterday. All right so they succeeded in getting a house subcommittee on communications technology to hear these complaints against the conservative media and then the energy and commerce committee. They joins a lot of them in this hearing the first about. I'm gonna play. You is the chairman of the. Communications technology congressman. Mike doyle go in the midst of this pandemic we also saw the rise up be stopped. The steel movement fomented by former president trump and propagated by members of the media that sought to dispute the of our elections and overturn our democratic process. As we all know this led directly to the horrific events of january. Sixth to what. He's reading it off the paper that one of his assistants frode forum. So what we all know that. Why are you wasting our time. They're wasting our time because they're basically going to pin the controversy over the election and the insurrection at the capital on the conservative media so they tried to pin it on. Donald trump and impeachment will get to that in a moment Didn't work the they're going to try to pin it on the conservative television outlets. That's what that was all about and so because they did that because they disrupted our electoral process and that led to the violence at the capitol. Yeah get them out of here. They have to go off the air okay. The second sound bite is a republican congress. Person who's very upset by all this go in all my time on this committee. There's never been a more of direct attack on the first amendment. Despite what has been said very clear condemning the january six attack and upholding truth and facts. It's a shared bipartisan goal. Unfortunately that's not what this hearing is about. If the majority was really interested in a meaningful dialogue you wouldn't schedule a hyper partisan hearing to shame and blame you wouldn't be sending letters pressuring private companies to block conservative media outlets. I'm not only disappointed in this hearing. I'm deeply troubled by it. And so am. I never wanted to waste of taxpayers. Money is just you know why are you doing this. You have no chance for the government to take any action against any news network. That's not going to happen. So why are they doing it. I'll get there. I'll get there. But i have to play one more sound bite. This is by a woman. I'm soledad o'brien used to work at cnn. Very committed liberal woman but she did criticize nbc. News and cnn. Today for all of the phony business in the russian collusion stuff. You remember that of course. Everybody remembers that happened three years. We didn't hear any threats against cnn. Nbc news at the big corporation should hurt them for that bogus coverage do you hear that no. So ms. o'brien pointed that out but still her sentiments lie with the progressives go. I think that you should not be allowed. And the survey is a news organization should not want people to be on the air if they are in fact lying and they are liars okay so decides that who decides if they're liars you member al franken. He wrote a book. Lying liars is something in that book. He said that. I was not born and raised in levittown long island. He said it flat out. O'reilly's aligarh wasn't born there. And then i had to produce the deed to my parents home which i did clue said levittown. So i'm only telling you that number one because al franken is the lowest form of humanity. Don't lower than him. A number two. And i wanted to remind everybody about that and number two that okay you can call anybody ally that all day long. Oh you like a kansas city chiefs. She thought they were gonna win the super bowl. You're hired. They lost so miss. O'brien who are you. Are you going to be the arbitrator. Who's a liar. And who isn't i hearken back. I love that so barney. Frank member barney. Okay on the o'reilly factor when he lied right in front of you. I had a videotape. He basically said federal government wasn't responsible for the bogus loans coming out of fannie mae and freddie mac and then when i said of course they were responsible you. I didn't say that i see what. Here's the tape and it was. You know google it. O'reilly barney frank google it now. I had him back on after that. I didn't ban them obviously wasn't telling you the truth. I scold him. You know in a very loud way but who's the arbitrary ono year on. I mean. I don't wanna be flipping about this. But if you're going to have a truth serum you're not gonna have any television news. Lying is pervasive spinning. No spin zone. Reason knows spin news. I have that moniker all right. So that was what happened today. On capitol hill. It didn't get anybody anywhere. It won't so What is really going on okay. So the california congressman s in mcnerney sent letters to at and t. verizon roku amazon apple comcast charter communications dish cox al tease alphabet and hulu those letters. They said you should not carry. Fox news newsmax and one america dumping and if that happened. Okay then you wouldn't have those networks because they don't broadcast like nbc abc and cbs. Dad's over the public airways they broadcast through private companies. Okay that take them and put them on cable systems whole different thing so the far left progressive. Saying we're gonna strangle. We tried the boycotts at has worked. We've targeted people like tucker carson sean. Hannity targeted hurt them. Cowardly corporations now wouldn't advertise. We've done that but we still haven't gotten them off the air because there are traditional conservative people who are gonna watch them no matter what we do no matter. How many sponsor boycotts there are. There's still going to do that. They're still gonna watch but now we're going to go. We're going to get where they live. We get verizon and all these people to dump them take them right off because they're liars and they lead to. They lied about the pandemic and they lied about this and the election in the i dunno. Okay that's the end game. Will they succeed. No they won't succeed this time this time but to coming back now i've told you and told you and told you. I had to experience this every day of my life. When i worked for fox i mean george soros pump. Tens of millions of dollars into operations like media matters designed to cripple and hurt me all right every single day talking about lying my god so we got through it except when the management changed over there and then it got too intense but that was fine all right. I'm much better off running my own news operation. But i'm sure somewhere at some time. So many gonna try to cancel me somehow. That's why i've got five lawyers okay. And they're good so when you come into my zone now to attack you compare price and of course a lot of money. But we're able to do it. We have to do it. It's a war. It's a war. Okay for the hearts and minds. Only there's a lot of heart in it of the american people. It's a propaganda war and that is what we are seeing played out so when you see all of this happened. No it's designed shut down opposing speech. The progressive left the far left does not want to hear anything that goes against their orthodoxy. And they wanna punish people who do it. Don't see that on the right. You don't see people on newsmax calling for cnn to shut down. at least i haven't seen it. Maybe loons everywhere. Maybe they've done it. But i haven't seen it. Okay all coming from one precinct here. Note that by now you've heard me speak about jeff brown my go-to tech expert and his firm brownstone research. His firm called the exact peak of the dot com boom and just issued another major prediction. So if you've got money. Invested in the market especially in popular tech stocks. This is critical information. Jeff sat down with tech minutes. Chris hurt to discuss something. Shocking he believes is on the verge of happening so you can watch that interview at bill. 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I feel very uncomfortable bill to be honest with you. I agreed with everything you said. That makes me feel very uncomfortable. No let me let me make several points. I i have a friend very smart guy who back in the sixties was a war liberal Were liberal activists over the years. He became a conservative a few years ago. He said to me if the left ever is in a position to take control they will try to shut down free speech. I wasn't buying it. He's right turns out he's right because if the liberals on this committee had their way if they thought they can get away with it which as you said they can't what if they thought they can get away with it. They would try to shut down any kind of opinions that they disagreed with. That's point number one point number two. The purpose of this hearing a stencil was to come out against misinformation. Disinformation lies that posed as fats. Hey i'm against at also you're against that also but the problem is that too many liberals think that the only disinformation that's worth talking about is coming from conservative media. Oh this plenty of this information coming from cnn and msnbc. But they don't wanna talk about that. Adam ship member of the same congress that held this airing today. Adam ship disseminates false information all the time but that doesn't seem to bother them gave that's point number two that they think it's only a conservative problem. My final point bill. They wanna talk about information that poses that presents itself as fact. But it's really either lies or disinformation but it'll take them ten seconds before they go from supposedly factual information to opinion that they don't like it. They'll try to shut down. It's one thing to say. I don't want somebody on the air to save. The earth is flat. It isn't flat. That's a fact. I'm all for that but when it gets into opinion as you as you rightly asked who's going to be the judge of what opinion is false and what opinion is acceptable. That's the problem. Well vibrant debate is the mark of a democracy of a country that respects opposing points of view. We're not a country that respects opposing points view anymore. We're not And on both sides on both sides so the game now is to to run the other side down or i totally doubt all right so give examples. So i'm talking to sean hannity on his radio program today and we're talking about joe biden and there's a clip of mr biden yesterday. Not able. he's he's not able to get out. That five hundred thousand americans have died from covid. Can't get it out just can't say it for whatever reason all right and so. The discussion was about cognitive decline on the part of the president so it was a very interesting discussion. There weren't any facts presented. Because we're not doctors. I mean we can't go in and say joe biden has xyz. Well we can say is that this is what is happening. That's a fact. Okay so whether you like. Joe biden or not. That's a discussion that's worth having. Because he's later the country now the other side would shut that discussion off. You couldn't have it because you lie about. Joe biden no not. I'm raising questions about. Joe biden as i raised questions about donald trump in certain areas. I'm not saying anything. Because i don't know i'm not a physician. But they were shut. That down. And i don't i don't think people understand but the big threat here are the corporations bernie so you saw the boycott stop. You saw big corporations pulling ads just on accusations allegations nothing solid. We don't like them You pull your ad or else and they did. And now. they're trying to same tactic on the cable carriers. You better pull them off. You don't pull off we're gonna hurt you. That's what's going on here. The cowards corporate america has become an institution composed largely cowards. They don't want they don't want to question whether they don't wanna debate. They don't want a healthy debate. They don't want to size of discussion. They have taken sides and the side. They've taken is the excuse. Awoke woke left wing side of arguments. So if you say that. America is a fundamentally irredeemably racist country. You will get in any trouble with any corporate america but if you go on. I don't buy that argument other racists in a country of three hundred thirty million people yes. There are an i would prefer that. They're really not what. Yeah there are some racist and it's a bad thing but america is not a fundamentally racist country. You might get fired for that as a matter of fact let me give you a real life example. A play by play announcer for the sacramento basketball team in the nba was asked what he thinks of. Black lives matter in a tweet. He tweeted back. And this is a verbatim all lives matter. That's what he said all lives matter and he lost his job ten seconds after he did that. Kay was gone. That's a problem that's battle and an should be the media that speaks out against what's going on with the media all too often is paving the way your participating and the look if you allow silicon valley and there has to be new laws drawn up by congress and side signed by the president to regulate the censorship coming out of facebook and and all of these other twitter there have to be because they have special protection so companies giving special protections by the federal government. So you can't sue them directly for certain things but if you allow that to happen so that they can knock out anybody who's using social media to get a point across that's not open to them then they knock out a television and radio because you give an opinion that i don't think masks stop transmission co. Vid you that opinion. I believe is wrong but if you do it you're done out okay. So that you can have any discussion about anything like that. Then we then descend into totalitarianism. That's the only way. Socialism can be imposed. The only way social in com is not through a free society but a totalitarian society that we all know about three speech and people often misuse the term. The only people who cannot let you'd say certain things even if they're false things is the government that's free that's that's a violation of free speech but the something else known as the spirit of free speech so while the government can't shut you down for saying things government disagrees with even their false things. The government can't shut down but if silicon valley decides to shut you down that's violation of the spirit of free speech. You know what it may not be illegal. As a matter of fact. It's not illegal as today but it's wrong and when powerful institutions were millions and millions of people get their news. I mean they're not getting their news from the cbs evening news the way they used to when we worked their bill now. They're getting it from facebook twitter. Well if those powerful institutions in shutdown free speech spirit of research and if they're doing it in conjunction with one political party the democratic party that's tantamount to the government shutting down free speech. It's the same but it's pretty close to the same. Okay so you and i. We run our own operations and we are selling freedom of speech freedom of expression freedom of thought. That's what goldberg o'reilly sell. Okay now i do it Through the no spin news at you're watching and listening to right now also do it to syndicated radio through writing and things like that you a bernie gobert benard gobert dot com. It's your operation. How difficult is it for you to make a go of it. That's a very interesting question. Bill that very interesting because in the in the current state of media and you made a very important point a few seconds ago when you said it isn't about debate anymore. It's about putting down the other side. That's what cable news has become for instance just putting down the other side. I don't do that on my website. I put down the other side went. I firmly believe the other side is wrong. When i believe that my side is wrong. I also write about that so if anybody is looking for a place to go where the only going to get their own opinions validated where nobody is going to say. I think you're wrong about this. And here's why don't waste your time coming. Bernard gobert dot com. But i don't want you to waste your time. My website says an as your show does. This is what i think. It is only my opinion. It's it's an educated opinion in that. I've been a newsman. For more years than i care to announce to the whole world. But it's only my opinion. Sometimes my opinion is something you will agree with. Sometimes it's something you will disagree with. I will never ever pander to my audience. I have too much respect for the people who come to my website pander to the envoy and you have too much respect for yourself and that's the way i look at it so anyway i wanted people to go to bernard goldberg dot com. Check it out. Don't mind bernie's little obnoxious. That's just the way he was born. It's not his fault but he is charming and his own way. And you'll see that it comes through on the website so he's taking time to talk with us. We really appreciate it bernie. What's once again. I feel uncomfortable today. A lot of sense. We'll see you soon. I hope our democrats are canceling governor. Andrew cuomo we couldn't find one liberal pundit sticking up for the governor last night not what. Cnn is muted. His brother chris. Cuomo is a non o'clock program. He can't mention his brother. Andrew cuomo the governor so democrat assemblyman ronald. Kim wants cuomo impeached. No chris andrew in new york. We don't have recall here like having california newsom. I think newsome may be gone this year but anyway andrew cuomo camby recall but he can be impeached and democrats leading the way okay and eleven members of the new york state democratic party submitted a resolution in the legislature in albany to censure and so that after him and this is everybody's asking me why are they why the left after one of their own remember. Just two three weeks ago. Andrew cuomo is like oh the big. It's going to be attorney. General he's going to do is gonna here's why thereafter him because the smart heads in the progressive party. No they've overreached. And i'm going to do that in a final thought. They know it so now. They're throwing cuomo because you can't defend what cuomo did people died and he won't admit it but it's true you can't offended. Nobody can defend it. So they're gonna throw him over the side into the ocean so they can point to. Oh no no no we. Just don't cancel conservatives. We cancel all bad people. That's why they're doing. It is it is fascinating to federal investigations. One by the fbi out of brooklyn into the nursing home comb cuomo situation and now some republican senators a want to launch an investigation out of capitol hill on andrew. And this is just an aside. Cnn cnn is okay. Hey trump this. And that the week of january eighteenth there was still hating trump. okay They got primetime. An average of two million eight hundred thousand viewers week of february eighth. They lost thirty five percent of their audience. And it's going to get down to fifty and sixty percent. Cnn got vanished along with trump suit. Trump left cnn msnbc's audience. Ooh fox having trouble. You know that across the board. So as i predicted. They're all going to be not a good year this year unless some big thing happens reparations for slavery and we've got a good guest on this coming up. He's warming up in the bullpen in kansas force. Right so there was a study done at harvard. My alma mater and two is. Did this study. Dr eugene richardson. Dr momon maleek and they came to the conclusion that descendants of slaves should receive eight hundred thousand dollars per household in reparations. And if they did they got eight hundred thousand dollars. Then maybe that slavery thing would be mitigated. Okay that's never gonna happen in a million years so anyway joe biden. He doesn't oppose reparations like his former boss. Barack obama did. Here's what jen psaki said about president by he has signed an executive order on his first day Which would begin to deliver on his commitment. To having an all cross government approach to addressing racial inequality and making sure equity is a part of his policy agenda. But he certainly would support a study of reparations on we understand Understand that we don't need a study to take action right now. I don't know what that means is going to be a study whenever you hear that. We're going to have a commission. No we have a study whenever you hear that means. Nothing's going to have okay so there is a bill. Hr forty that would Do something create a commission. Okay bottom line is not gonna be any reparations. Direct payments descendancy slave in the united states. Not going to happen because it would be so explosive and cause so much damage to race relations. People are going. Hey i lost a sentence fighting for the north. I had my property seized. What about this. What about never so. It's not going to happen. Jp morgan has tapped thirty billion dollars to advance racial equity. This is the biden thing so j. p. morgan is going to put thirty billion of its own money. Kind of toward supplying more loans to customers and businesses of color expanding operations in opening branches serve more communities in the neighborhoods that are marginalized and investing in new technology. To help somebody. I don't have any problem with that. I don't have any problem with j. P. morgan spending thirty billion or eighty billion and ninety billion bringing services to people in neighborhoods. that are underserved nut. I don't have any problem with j. P. morgan hiring as many minorities they wanna hire as long as qualified. Okay no problem. This is a private company. That can do what they want. But he's always out of the thirty billion they're taking their tax credit for it so taking a tax write off for this equity business. J. p. morgan is so the deducting it so they're going to pay less tax. This huge companies use bank company. Less money is going in to the treasury. Us treasury because they're taking a write off on it just thought you'd like to know that that'll never be reported by anybody else. But this and that. I mentioned barack obama. He opposes reparations or at least he did in the past very very clearly quote. I'm going to quote him since july. Twenty seven two thousand and eight. I've said the past repeat again. The best reparations we can provide a good schools in the inner city and jobs for people or unemployed on quote so Big up the demand for telemedicine grows so does the need for connectivity. Five g. meets that need qualcomm remains focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g. Connectivity learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age ours bringing michael loss and he is the director of the center for entrepreneurial. Government in wichita kansas. I should say and he has been an advisor to the governor of kansas. He knows his economic stuff. So did i make any mistakes. Michael my run-up to reparations that you heard you disagree with anything i said. No not at all reparations. If don would be my word the largest government handout the country would ever see and it's going to be as effective in solving race relations as the new deal and war on poverty were effective in growing the economy right so in other words a complete disaster we here. At the campus policy institute educate government agencies can only be one thing and one thing well and that's give out government handouts we really need to empower the people to be the best version of themselves. That's the best way to see quality out there okay. So what do you say to a person who says listen. Michael you know my relatives. My ancestors were enslaved. Then after that they couldn't get an education. They had to move to michigan to make a living in a ghetto. They weren't didn't pass down any legacy any material things to their children and that cycle of poverty. That cycle of deprivation lasts up to this minute. Aren't we entitled. We the victims of slavery. All these years later are we entitled to some government help. How would you answer that. There already is government help but you have to also understand we as a society. Don't hold people responsible for things that happened in the past. And secondly when you think about reparations. We're not talking about reparations. Reparations means there's a specific victim. There's a specific perpetrator. We're talking about government handouts take myself for example. My family didn't come to america until well after slavery ended. Do you think. Joe biden is reparation. Study are going to take that into consideration. Spend fewer hours. No of course not. This is functionally no different. Than a cancelling student. Loans or medicare for all. It's all about massively expanding government handouts now the president of the united states. Mr biden seems to be on board with handing out as much as he can to so-called marginalized communities not just african-americans. But there's a whole list and this is the equity play that he did the first day he was in office. How do you feel about that. Giving favorable treatment to so-called marginalized groups. It depends on what that treatment is. But i think for most for for most arguments you don't create equity don't create justice by making one route worse off than the other and second this talk about free stuff either. Free healthcare free tuition or even reparations. It's all about taking people's hard earned money and spending it in the most flamboyant way possible regardless of the results. Why do you think that. Ninety percent of african american voters continue to support the democratic party in places like chicago new york philadelphia baltimore when their whole societies phone apart around them. Crime is crazy. Poor people are suffering being murdered by the thousands. Why do they still support the people who don't seem to be able to help them. While all flip that question a little bit you know. Why do politicians keep pushing these race baiting tactics and policies and my answer to that would be. It's like football you know. The politicians are going to keep running. The rape reparations the race-hustling tactics until the other side figures out how to stop it and let continues to get more support for socialism and wealth redistribution from doing these types of tactics than the more that they're going to do it so the only thing that we can do as a society i think is present our elected officials with with two simple questions. You know at what cost. And what evidence do you have. You know we can't do that. You're not gonna convince the politicians because they're going to buy as many boats they can buy. We all know that. But the folks the regular folks. I can't answer the question. You go to the bronx and brooklyn where i live and you see that this totally out of control. There's no public safety at all yet. The folks continue to vote in the people who hurt them. And i don't get it last word. I think what's most important is when you set those questions as what the cost is. What is the evidence. You'll find very many policies far left can push through those questions and you're right so much of this year above the sausage ninety has had a mindset that just seems contrary dr king right which is holding yourself to the content of your character. I've learned that making good choices. Finding a job treating with kindness can go a long way and providing anyone alive by despair and we just have to get the word out there again michael. Thanks very much for helping us out. We appreciate it if any of you can explain to me. Anybody i mean right to may bill o'reilly dot com. Why people in the african american community devastated for decades for hundreds of years in some cases. Continue to vote for people. Hurt them i. I don't think michael's able answer the question. And i love an answer. If anybody is a good opinion on that through the mail always a fun part of the program wayne. Concierge member mean wayne has direct access to me but will cancel culture. Thing is not just about denial of due process. It's about denial of the very concept of redemption. It is a denial of a man's right to make mistakes and to change a woman's right to got to be politically correct way. Very good wayne very good. Janice kid ocean springs mississippi. Bill i think the simplest way to end cancel culture by corporations and news media is boycott. I'm not a big boycott guy. But i am going to suggest to people who don't like to cancel culture that those who do it who push it who embrace it. You don't do business with them. Stiffer from a boycott not organizing any boycotts. I'm just saying this person's doing this. You make the call. You have the power as we saw in san francisco. That was the folks that turn that school board around ken. Your analysis of cancel culture is very good. But how do we as americans and there are millions of us counter cancel culture and biased media. They are in control by. Your dollars is how you do it. That's why we're doing this campaign. Vaughn mcgraw very connecticut bill. After listening to the no spin news breaks my heart that our country could lose all its rights in single generation. I served my country in the late nineteen seventies so disappointed in what's happening so might but i think it's gonna turn and that's a final thought coming right up. Michael nobil of vancouver canada. I unfortunately exactly what is happening. Bill and i disagree with you. And what you said about gina carano. She did not equate nazis with the political climate. In america. disney is not the problem. Disney is the symptom of the problem. Why growth fronts gina. Carano didn't do anything. Malicious have been canceled should not have been fired. But you don't use. The nazi analogy to make a point about current temporary politics in america. It's just not valid. Okay so she made a mistake there. Disney fired her in a fascistic way so disney. In my opinion my humble opinion is the problem. Stephen if us olympic hockey team beat our ideological political rival. Today they would be called privilege white guys who are racist and white supremacist. Ip john concierge. Member john watch. Some of america orlands confirmation. All i can say is thank god. He's not on the supreme court. I agree one hundred percent. That was the best thing. Donald did the three supreme court point. He's paul worley saint. Louis come bill. Anyone with common sense would realize the trip to cancun. Wasn't going to change the power problem in texas. No but leadership has got to be on the scenes in time of crisis charlotte. Bill oh yeah the optics. Look bad for ted cruz. But tell me this. What the hell can a senator do shake hands. Mingle with the proletariat. That'd be on the scene. Gotta be chris. Dolaas key philadelphia. Bill wire left wing media outlets. Nbc attacking governor cuomo a democrat as usually a pass in the media. And i explained it. But i wanted to read your letter because you were on it and your question prompted me to put the segment in tonight. Chris kyle batie. I've been listening to you for many years mr reilly. Thanks for delivering the news clarity and no spin. I'm also a big fan of the killing books and on that note. If you preorder killing them off about may force you get fifty percent off killing crazy horse if you re up your premium or concierge member you get the books freight. I mean that. That's a good deal. Might wanna think about it. Okay when writing to us. Do not be jack an apes. I love that word. 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Start Building Your Own Banking System Part 2 BYOB #25
"Welcome to the life. Success and legacy. Podcasts were super excited. We are taking on a worthwhile endeavor like success and legacy. Our intention is to honor nelson. Nash the man as well as the infinite thanking concept we're going to create a series of resources including podcast and test as a resource for others. Who want to truly understand with depth and clarity. What shared in his book. Becoming your own banker as well as many seminars and think tanks that we were fortunate to have attended during his life. Who is this intended audience. Well we will use nelson ashes own words. It is written for the lane not for financial advisers but all life agents should be thoroughly knowledgeable of its content and practice so whether you are an individual part of a family a business owner or life insurance agent. This is free so sit back. Relax and we will walk you through becoming your own baker step by step so you can reference the parts you want to revisit at your own pace and we might have a little fun along the way everyone. Welcome back to our next edition of the life. Success in legacy podcast. We are rolling through. Nelson's book becoming your own banker and we are in the middle of a part three We are actually On page forty two forty three forty four and forty five We are at the point where we are comparing The cb method and the ib see method. Hey mike everett her you today. I'm doing good. Thanks chris yup So we've talked about the five methods in our previous podcast. Talk about five methods of the use of a vehicle and today what we're gonna do is dig into the last two of those that actually allow us to control the banking function. So we've talked about Leasing a vehicle. We've talked about a bank loan for the use of be hit with talked about paying cash today. What we're gonna do is we're going to talk about using a cd As collateral for creating a banking system and then comparing that to utilizing dividend paying whole life insurance as a banking system. Okay perfect so Mike talk a little bit about these two methods. And then what we're gonna do is we're going to jump to page forty five and you're gonna walk us through these. This chart on page forty five comparing the two side by sides will in table one on page forty five. basically what. You're going to have as you're going to have to twenty one year old twins. One one sister's going to buy cd's down at the local bank. The other sisters go buy whole life insurance. It's once again. You probably have heard me say this over and over and over. This isn't rocket science but for people to be able to understand. Why would we do what we do. they've got to understand. There's certain things that have to happen in order for both of these to happen. Temper was asian phase right. It happens young pain. Cash for the hickel. They've got to capitalize their savings in buying a cd. They've got to capitalize combined the cd and with ibc. They've got capitalized so they can build a life insurance. Also it on the same. In any of those three. So i'm going to get back to nelson's i pour principles you gotta think long term that means there's a capitalization period number two. You can't be afraid to capitalize so you gotta decide what you're capitalizing four three. You can't steal from your system and number four we're going to stop doing business with banks and in the midst of all of that what we're gonna do is. We're going to think how to utilize cd cd method. And we're gonna think how to utilize an ib system or the method in order to utilize our vehicles throughout our lifetime. You go so. How do we capitalize these things. Walk us through. Page forty five. Okay so you have to twenty one year. Old twins one. One one sisters literally going to purchase cds down at the local bank. Now there's going to be a capitalization face so this particular sister is going to utilize five thousand dollars a year out of her income to purchase cds annually. Now remember. this book was written in two thousand so The cd is literally being paid. Five point five percent but after she pays taxes there's a net of four percent That is so immaterial is unbelievable. But yet for my cpa's in my engineers out there who are listening That is something that you would be interested in I am not. It's a matter of me controlling my environment. But that's another thing allen itself so you can see in the middle column the cd method. You'll see the growth of that policy of the of the excuse me that cd account fifty two hundred ten thousand six hundred eight sixteen to thirty two and so on so at the end of seven years. The cd sister has put thirty five thousand dollars into her particular system. That's a simple way to look at that So she's buying a new. Cd or five thousand dollars each year for seven years. That's right and so really what i like to do. And i'm getting my calculator out here and this is pretty simple. But basically she's saving four hundred sixteen to four hundred and twenty dollars a month over the year and at the end of the year. What she's doing is she's buying a five thousand dollar. Cd so this way. It's not overwhelming. She's actually capitalizing something so she can purchase that. Cd sushi's put money into savings account then buying a cd at the end of the year. It's it's really pretty simple now. The other twenty one year old twin sister in the far right hand column. It says cash and i see method. She is purchasing a dividend paying whole life insurance policy in this particular column you will notice it says cash in the ib see method. This is actually the cash value calm in the life insurance policy but her annual premiums are five thousand dollars a year so both sisters are putting five thousand dollars a year into their particular system once again. The cd sisters buying an annual cd. The infinite banking sister is doing nothing more than making a five thousand dollar policy premium deposit into your system so once again. Yeah you've got to remember. This is a cash on cash view as to how they're going to utilize their particular systems. So i could be doing the dave ramsey. save up and pay cash. I could be capitalizing my savings account if i'm doing the cd method. I could be saving up in purchasing cds and capitalizing with cd's hundred to do an ib method on. I'm utilizing my savings to purchase of whole life insurance designed for cash value. You couldn't have said it any better. Kate is almost. It is almost so simple. That people will run by this so quickly but yet the the awesome thing is and i've got to say this every now and then If something happened in to the individual who's utilizing either the savings account the cd or the life insurance policy if somebody died. What are they getting the savings account. They just get the savings. What are they getting the cd they just get. Whatever saved in the steve. But what are they get in the life insurance policy for texas death it. That's right so it is a win win win when you're talking about utilizing ibc as a away to a finance or used cars so back page forty five. In the first seven years both senators have put thirty five thousand dollars into their particular systems. If you look over into the middle column you will notice that. The cd sister has forty one. Thousand hundred seventy one. She has a little bit more than forty one thousand dollars. If you look in the far right hand column you will notice that. This infant banking sister has thirty six thousand nine hundred sixty. She almost has thirty six thousand so they've both put thirty five thousand dollars into their particular system but they have more than what they put in so now if you get back to some basics of infinite thing. They both have a pool of cash available to utilize to then begin to. And i'll use finance a car or purchase a vehicle or utilize these dollars to us a vehicle. It's very very simple now. So so can we go by car. Now you can go buy you can and so in the very middle column. You'll notice that it says. Car purchases made by withdrawals from each respective system. So that means that in the cd example she is going to withdrawal ten thousand five hundred fifty dollars out of her particular system and the infinite banking sister is going to withdrawal by using dividends out of her system to do the same exact thing. The cd sister is doing but in all reality what they're doing is they're utilizing ten thousand five hundred and fifty dollars to go out and make a purchase of a vehicle that they can use for the next four years and i always say tongue in cheek so the ten thousand five hundred fifty dollars. They're going to go down to the local ford store and they're literally going to pay cash for a ford focus. And if you go down go go do your own homework go to your local paper and find out what it would cost to purchase afford focus. I'm gonna tell you it's around ten thousand five hundred fifty dollars. It blows me away every time but yet it's true you can buy a small vehicle now. Remember these girls are they have just purchased their first being nickel. They are utilizing their own particular systems to utilize this to actually use and finance their own vehicles. Now that means that instead of financing their vehicles with ford motor predator commerce banker. Whoever they're going to finance it with they are going to be the financing arm of how they're going to utilize their vehicle so in the second column on page forty five. You will notice that the car payments to each respective system is the title to that call and you'll notice down in year. Eight three thousand thirty dollars is the annual payment made back to their respective system. So i always take three thousand thirty dollars. I've got my calculator up here. And i'm going to divide it by twelve months. Well that didn't work out very good. Three thousand thirty dollars divided by twelve months the monthly payment that they are saving into wherever they're saving their money is two hundred and fifty two dollars and fifty cents per month so what each of them are doing is they're putting that money into a savings account more than likely and at the end of the year. They both have three thousand thirty dollars. So the cd sister goes and buys another cd at the end of the year and the infinite banking sister does nothing more than pays the premium on her life insurance plan. That is the base premium on the life insurance plan. So for those who have a book in your hand. Please go to page. Forty seven at two thirds three quarters of the way down. You'll notice that it says female age twenty one dividends paid up additions etc etc. the preferred non smoker base. Premium is three thousand thirty dollars so we don't want you to think that we're pulling a fast one on yet. This is exactly the way nelson designed the policy that the the ib sister would pay three thousand thirty dollars. The paid up additions. Writer is nineteen seventy. there's the total premium of five thousand dollars. So now you know why. The five thousand dollars was being utilized for the cd and for the life insurance premium. I have to say this again. The column in the ib see method is nothing more than the cash value column inside the life insurance policy. So if i can just summarize on this for the ib c sister she is paying. She's capitalizing her system by paying five thousand dollars a year in premium that is a combination of base premium and paid up addition correct but once she takes a low well once she she takes from her system to purchase that car for ten thousand five hundred fifty dollars she then is making payments back to her system and that is a total of three thousand thirty over the course of twelve months which that covers the base premium. So she's no longer funding the p. away after the seventy year. That is correct. That is correct. Now something that i hardly ever talk about. You will notice that both sisters are paying themselves. This is the first car three thousand thirty dollars so you will notice that they do this for four years. Is that correct correct okay. So the cd sister at the end of four years. So you've gotta go to year. Let me let me do this. I wanna do this. Oh i've got to get something to put over my my my book so i can make sure that this line works perfectly so by the time you get to year eleven you will notice that both sisters have paid themselves three thousand thirty dollars a year for that particular car. So i'm going to take on three thousand thirty times for years. They both paid themselves. Twelve thousand one hundred twenty dollars for the use of that car so they paid themselves more than what they actually borrowed or yeah withdrew from their system. Correct and if you look at the infinite banking sister. She went from thirty five thousand nine sixty to forty five eight twenty one. The cdc sister went from forty five. One thousand seventy one to forty nine thousand dollars now if you just subtract the forty one hundred seventy one from the forty nine hundred. Eighty six the growth that the cd sister had was eight thousand fifteen. I never talk about this now. You don't the infant banking sisters plan went from thirty five nine sixty to forty five eight twenty one so if you subtract out the thirty five nine sixty the growth after the very first car is nine thousand eight hundred sixty one dollars so after the very first car the infinite banking sisters plan is kicking tail and not taking any names at all. The growth is almost two thousand dollars more after the very first car. I'm gonna tell you what. I remember when nelson showed me this. Oh gosh this would have been. I'm trying to go back now. This probably would have been two thousand seven. Maybe two thousand and eight. And i thought. Oh my gosh. We are all so hung up on the actual number. Because i'll just tell you if you're if you're a short term thinking person not a long term thinking person you're going well. My plan has forty nine thousand hundred eighty six but yet the infant banking system only has forty five eight twenty one. I'm going to do the st method but yet if you just looked at the individual car purchase it is literally more than eighteen hundred dollar growth after the very first car. I don't think in all the years that we've worked together. You've ever talked about that piece with me. I don't think. I have either your home out on me. I apologize but i'm gonna tell you growth after that first car is just unbelievable so that means that really from the second car on the infant banking sisters plans literally going to take on a new thought process or a new picture but yet once again if you go down now we're going to go to year twelve because we only bought one car. It's a ford focus. So both sisters year twelve decide to take another withdrawal from their plan and keep in mind. The ford focus is paid for. It's still worth some value. And they put the ten thousand five fifty in year twelve and they do this all over again. But here's the awesome thing in year. Twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen. They absolutely do not change the car payments so if they had a car worse money the ford focus and they put some money. What they're doing is they're upgrading on their vehicle. Yeah to afford fusion and they don't change the payment to who themselves themselves and they do all the whole thing they control the entire scenario. This is what nelson calls absolute control. Now we're not going to walk through every single one of these things but look what ends up happening. You're fifteen the infinite banking. Sisters plan is fifty. Nine thousand five. Seventy and the sisters plan is fifty eight four sixty four. It took fifteen years but yet just from dollars on dollars. The infinite banking sisters plan overtook the cd sisters. And we've only done two cars now now if you're just looking at dollars on dollars you're absolutely right but that doesn't tell the whole picture it because with the cd method. There's no life insurance attack with the cd method year. Not one who controls the bank the payment structure right the others all of those pieces that that that add to it. Yeah so we're not going to walk through each and every each and every line but you can see from year fifteen on what's happening to the infinite banking sisters plan is it's growing exponentially so i am literally going to go down to your fifty one because literally what ends up happening is. They're going to do this. Eleven cars or they're gonna do this eleven times each and every time every four years they're going to take a ten thousand five hundred and fifty dollar withdrawal. They're upgrading their car. But here's the thing in column two. They absolutely do not change the payment to themselves. So if you go down the line fifty one you will notice that. The cd sister has two fifty eight. Nine twenty seven. The infinite banking sister has nine sixty four six thirty eight. Now if you are thinking through this as i do on a daily basis. Didn't both sisters take out the same amount of money didn't both sisters payback in the same amount of money. They did If you go down to the very bottom call now i. I'm kind of pushing ahead a little bit here. But on the if you're thinking through how they did this. They both put thirty five thousand dollars originally from year one year seven into their system from your eighty year fifty one. They put three thousand thirty dollars into their pers- perspective system so the total deposits made this is in the bottom of columns to there's one hundred sixty eight thousand three hundred and twenty dollars that has gone into each of the sisters systems but both sisters in column three pulled out withdrew ten thousand five hundred fifty dollars for car purchases so they pulled out both sisters pulled out one sixteen o five oh so if you subtract one sixteen o five zero from one hundred and sixty eight three twenty. The net cost both sisters had was fifty. Two thousand two hundred and seventy dollars now just for fun. The cds has to fifty eight nine twenty seven in the infantry banking sister has nine sixty four six thirty eight we got to subtract the fifty two thousand dollars out of both calms and yet the infant banking sister has seven hundred thousand plus dollars more than the cd sister. Why wait a second. Both put five thousand in the book. Three thousand thirty in it has to have something to do with health. She paid their spell themselves. It's very simple. The cd sister used a conventional bank to finance her vehicles through cds when the banks showed a profit who got the dividends the stockholders of the bank will in the far right hand column who got the dividends the owner of the policy. The numbers are mind. Boggling we're still on page forty five folks. Let's confuse the issue. A little bit in the far left column that starts pulling out fifty thousand dollars a year the income in the middle of the six years. She runs out of money. Now this is in the middle column but the infinite back. Mr starts pulling out fifty thousand dollars. A year of income and nelson makes everybody died at age eighty five and yet the infant banking sisters still passes on one point three six five million dollars to the next generation. I get blown away by this page every single time so so just just to go back on this and to clarify if i'm looking at the cd sister. And i go down to a year fifty to she starts pulling fifty thousand a year from her system. Yup and if you look in the middle column the cash in the cd count method d. You can see that the cash. The cd account is decreasing until you're fifty seven. Were zeros out. That's right which is a common Fear we have with a lot of our clients in that is that they will outlive their money. That's right they're to run out of money but then you look at the. Ib sister and she is pulling out fifty thousand dollars a year and that continues and if you look at the cash in her i b. C method actually is increasing. Yes so at fifty thousand dollars a year. She never had to worry about that source going away. And in addition to that there is no death benefit attached to the seeding method and with the ib method. She has one point. Three million that would go to her beneficiaries. Simple go tax free will. If that's the case. Why would i want to finance more things through. I may a car right. it's just a car. What are some examples well. A person could Finance their monthly expenses. They could finance a rental property. They can finance their kid's college. They could finance their vacations. They could finance their own personal mortgage. 'cause they could finance their kids cars. They could finance their kids mortgages. You see on the front of this book. It's called the infinite thank concept for a reason as old beat up book. Oh it my book is shot. I actually started another book. And because my underlines in my highlights are all just perfect places that. I hate even doing that but i know i know i need to do. I'm to stick in the mud. Mike everett i love listed. You walks through these sisters good stuff. oh man. is there anything that we've missed on this that you want to make sure we highlight will. Yeah there is if you go back over to page forty seven. The three thousand thirty dollars for the base premium and the nineteen seventy. Oh about missed it so if you go back to page thirty eight thirty eight right here where it gives you an idea of how the policy ought to be designed. It's got a list of all the different kinds of policies that nelson talked about in the book if you will notice the premium is designed three thousand thirty base nine hundred seventy. That is actually between life. Paid up at sixty five ordinary life but yet on page thirty eight if you look over where the modified dammit contract line is. There is a triangle right there. What does that triangle significant for. It is exactly where nelson indicated that the policies should be designed for. Ib see now if you go back between life paid up at sixty five and ordinary life that means that it was flipped to a sixty percent base and a forty percent p way. But if you go over here to where the triangle is it is literally a thirty eight to forty percent sixty to sixty two percent p way so in this particular example he utilized a very very conservative design. Why because i'm gonna tell you most people's brains can't wrap around the opportunity to be able to design the policy reengineering the way. The premium is delegated. Because we've all been stuck in a way to wear the traditional life insurance guys pile in as much premium in the base life. Insurance is possible. This is why it takes traditional life insurance policy sometimes twenty twenty five twenty eight years in order to quote unquote break. Even premium equals cash value with. Ib see we do it just a little bit differently so that would be my rap up on. I one more piece an asterix to this. This would be for the detailed readers. i am on page. Forty two second column at the bottom and i and i. I know you can add clarity to a lot of people out there. Especially i'd be c coaches because this is not typically what we teach but nelson says in the last paragraph. He's he's down at the ruined. The last two sentences on this page he says after the seven years of capitalization est person withdraws dividends in the amount required to pay the cat. Pay cash for the car. This process does not involve policy loans. And even as you. And i were talking. We both were trying to be aware of that. We are on our words because it's not how he would teach it and it's not how nelson would teach it either. Can you enlighten us on. Why does he talk about withdrawing dividends for that will it has to do with the internal structure of the policy because we're so used to conventionally going down and borrowing the money from a conventional system that he wanted to keep this as conventional as possible. Yeah and so because our brains can't wrap around the fact that we're going to actually borrow money from the life insurance company and use the policy as collateral. He thought you know what. Let's just designed the policy. Accordingly let's take let's use withdrawal dither dividends instead of doing this. The way he would really want to do this and he just said it really has it has to do with people's brains so in essence he. He's nudging us along in our thinking process our mindset. You know one of his exposes rethink your thinking and and if he just slammed the concept atas right off the bat in his way of thinking it would be too much would jump out of those rights too quickly so instead of saying. Hey we're gonna take loans and get into the whole interest rate and that he just said hey for this one. We're just going to withdraw or we're gonna use those to take care of it. Yeah and it just so happens at the bottom of page forty two in that second column withdrawals dividends in the amount required to pay cash for the car and the process does not in. There's a sized words all through that. I wonder why yeah because he wants to pay attention to those particular things. It's let me with this saying to play on us banker with himself. He must make premium payments to the policy instead of the finance company. What he's saying is those monthly payments. That would have gone to the to the loan. Company are going to premium. That's it if it had been a loan. Those monthly payments would go to loan repayments. That's it yeah yep so. That's getting into the weeds a little bit for people. But i know there's some readers out there who are paying close attention to nelson's words and i know you and i have had that question to we were the place where we could actually call nelson and ask him about. Oh man which that's why we're doing this. Podcast is because that's not possible now. And so we want to share with you. The experiences and the knowledge information that might cover it was able to glean from nelson over their years together. So here's what. I would say to people who are listening to this. If you're stuck if you are stuck in some of you will get stuck and it's okay. I got stunk. And until i dug in and spend some time with nelson and learn and read and learn and read and through numbers at all of this. We want you to call us. Yeah we want to e mail us instate. I am stuck on page forty five and that was it doesn't matter if you're an idc coach a client or or somebody else's client We love teaching. This stuff's Less mike said if you're stuck don't hesitate to call us. We wanna talk to you okay. I'm giving another chance anything else. You want to add the section. I think we're good. I think we're good. This is This is a powerful set of pages right here. It is this whole How start building your your own banking system it. It's so simple at all of the all of the features are there. Everything is available. It's a matter of helping people see down the road a little bit this assistance thinking long term helping them understand that they can do this. And here's one of the things that people think. I gotta have money in order to do this. Which is a lie. Really most of us deal in monthly payments right. So what we're doing is we're creating. The system were capitalizing. The system very systematically and then we will show you how to actually do this. We have a new client. Just recently who. We literally had to kind of arrange rearrange rearrange again. How the premiums being paid. And it's not very much but it is exactly where he wanted to be so whether you have a little or a lot. It doesn't make any difference. It's a matter of seeing. The picture steamed down the road and thinking long term about. How would i do this. And that's why you have us as your coaches. Because we wanna walk alongside you to help you understand all of the different aspects of i b c and how it would apply for you and your family situation is really unbelievable and i love what we do. Likewise will said mike everett. So now that we've dug into that and people have started to nudge a little bit out of their Rut maybe that they may have experienced comfort zones right the next Chapter we're going to dig into next. Time is expanding the system to accommodate all income. I love this this sentence because if you haven't already been rocked wait till you listen to this. He says it always sounds a bit strange to people. When i say premiums and income should match my amount of income each year should match the amount of premiums. I'm paying in life insurance. That'll take people for for ride wounded. We'll dig into that one next time. Mike everett thanks. This has been a blast. Podcast with you i. I continue to learn. Even though we've been doing this together for a number of years. I still continue to learn from. Thank you for your mentorship Those of you who have not got a copy of nelson nashes book. Gosh we highly recommend to do And what could be a really good way to do that. Is to order our Ibc learning kit because it includes your choice of either becoming earned banker or the case for b. See if you already have a copy of becoming your own banker and check out all other resources. We've got there on the website until our next podcasts. Thanks for joining us. We look forward to it thank you.
Changing U.S. Political Landscape; Recovering Nazi-Looted Art
"Hello and welcome to people of the pod brought to you by. Ajc each week we take you beyond the headlines and help you understand what it all means for Israel and the Jewish people. I'm Stephie Cogan. And I'm on Uber. Sheer men when this pandemic lockdown began. Ej C. took our programming online. Today our videos have racked up over two million views on facebook. You can find our upcoming programs and videos of our past programs at AJC dot org slash advocacy anywhere as part of advocacy anywhere this week. I moderate conversation between Bhatia under Sargon the opinion editor of the forward. And Seth Mandell the executive editor of The Washington Examiner magazine. The program was called the changing. Us political landscape. And what's at stake for American Jews? We are pleased to bring you some of that program now yesterday. Ajc's National Leadership Council received an exclusive briefing from Dr Land Schlieffer the CEO Regeneration Pharmaceuticals and toward the end of the call. He made the points. I hope I'm not misrepresenting. You Hear Lynn. He made the point. That PART OF WHY? America hasn't been a world leader in responding to the corona virus crisis. Far From It is because our political polarization has had almost a paralysing effect on the ability of government to address the primary and secondary issues coming from the pandemic put differently in a certain sense. Our political divide is literally making us so just to lay some groundwork I want to start by asking each of you. How did we get here? How is it that the country that dominated the last century now seems at times like it could tear itself apart by? Let's begin with you. I have a bit of a polarization. Scott's back Anna now what I mean by that is I think that when you look around at our nation more generally this polarization in fact that is so clear to us on. Twitter is so clear in Congress and in the Senate and so clear in the media actually really evaporates as soon as you get out of these sort of centers of chattering class. Political classes is just to say that the tragedy of the polarization in our nation's elites is so much greater because it truly is leaving you know our nation behind it does. We are actually much less polarized. As a nation we have ever been in our history. Polling shows that as a nation we have never been more united than we are over. The major issues at this nation was founded on and so it's deeply tragic to see them at in the media and in political classes. We are others throats really failing to represent the people that we are supposed to be representing set to you kind of agree with that formulation you WanNa take a stab at the original question or you also disagree with my premise here. I think that body is basically right. I think the problem is that there's a perception of partisanship but that perception of partisanship actually has a real effect on what's happening in what goes on and and the formation of policy and things like that you have leaders in alternative media in. Party affiliated party associated media that make a lot of noise that noise that gets picked up by the rest of us in the mainstream media and we sort of broadcast it out and it makes it look and sound like there's a real divide here but in reality on the important thing which is compliance. That divide wasn't really there. It was just an argument. We were having in public. But that's what a democracy is. We were having the argument in public. And the lockdown side. The restrictions were winning the argument and both sides more or less complied with the ramifications of that. So in some ways I do really think it's healthier than it looks but I worry that if we're formulating policy and we're having these national conversations based on the perception of division than the reality matters less than it should so we need to somehow find a way to have the leaders in Congress in media those who set the national debate reflect the same level of division or lack thereof as the general public. Were talking about the vanishing center whether it's actually vanishing kind of out in the districts or it's only vanishing maybe in the halls of Congress to set last point right that might matter more or still matter even if the back home kind of get along but if we're talking about the vanishing center the Center makes me think of consensus issues Fighting Antisemitism and supporting Israel both used to be consensus issues and I think that in some ways they're both disappearing maybe the consensus support for Israel is disappearing a little more obviously than the consensus support for fighting antisemitism. But I think you'd both agree that people are trying to instrumentalise the fight against anti-semitism in a way. That's that's really unhelpful. So Seth we'll start with you. Why are consensus issues like this disappearing the issue that I always return to as something that looks better than the American Jewish Committee is response by? Comparison is what happened with Jeremy Corbyn in the UK and on the eve of the election there was a poll that eighty seven percent of British. Jews considered him antisemitic. And I just remember thinking that that's close as a consensus as I can ever remember. I mean I think the reverse was when maybe eight Ludo mayor it had like a five percent approval rating or something. You had ninety. Five percent of Israelis agreeing wasn't a very happy moment at any time you have countries Jews almost ninety percent agreeing on something that's Unity. That's a form of office and it also means that the political ramifications were not what was important. I had people telling me. Hey look. I'm a lifelong Labour member. I'm not leaving the party but I. I am canvassing for bars. I'm going to go door to door and tell people vote for the Tories. Adnan voted for a Tory. But I'M GONNA be out there and so the community was able to basically hit pause. T. As my kids says when they're running around the yard writing they're about to get caught in tag or something. The community basically is a all right. Set that aside. Let's they care this and then we'll go back to the way we were. We don't have the same sense of an American Jewish community in America. We have much more of an Americanized version of that and America itself. You see this in. Everything is well first of all. I think we're a bit more tribal. The centralization of authority is not really a thing here about have a chief rabbi and so we don't really have a way to speak with one voice and it's just a very Americanized version that they're good aspects of that they're bad as exit that the bad aspects include a market inability to come together in a time of crisis and just put everything aside. Your editors of publications which rightly or wrongly are associated with certain political viewpoint. And each of you try to feature voices outside of your own political camp. As editors what is your responsibility to give your readers what they want versus kind of them take their medicine and your dissenting views and they do all stick with you. I can tell you philosophy of running an opinion section opinionated Arthur forward and I have a philosophy. Many goes like this. I believe that our search three main mandates to running an opinion section and each one third amped up in the age of trump. So the first is to raise up. The voices of the people currently disenfranchised by the power structures people. You don't hear from so in our case that's because our audience largely let all so that means conservative Jews Republican Jews people voted for TRUMP ORTHODOX. Jews also means black shoes. It means Muslims. It means Palestinians it means settlers. We don't hear from them ally just really raising up the voices of people who you don't hear from a lot and particularly people who settlers fall into this specs who have been disenfranchised in some way who who are sort of not empowered to speak usually means that we're used to hearing people you don't turn on. Msnbc AND CNN the second mandate I believe is to reflect the full breadth of legitimate relevant to our community. But that is where the sort of proportion comes in right. So seventy percent of American Jews are Democrats. Does that mean seventy percent of my off beds are going to be on the left or liberal leading our Democrat. I mean I do strive to that. I strive to accurately reflect community in the pages and then the third mandate is you know to honestly challenge myself the editorial view and my readers in good faith. And that's really. The hardest thing is getting a piece that the reader will interpret as challenging them in good faith and South what about your work at the Examiner one thing to understand is that different publications have different brands. The editorial side will see that as what we call that a mission and the general public would probably call it. A brand and the confusion of the two is something that often gets in the way of what we're trying to do so. I was opinion editor at The New York Post before this and I would see people on Twitter. Share these things like critical of trump in the near post nate. Go you know even the New York Post or when you've lost the York Post or something it's like if the near opposed wanted. A trump is to aditorial section. They wouldn't have hired me to run and we we get the same. We make the same jokes at the examiner where there's a problem in the readership of journalism. I think across the board in that. There's a lack of context that people don't really like context and they don't really like injecting it into things and so people will take one article and say Oh that whatever publication says this you know stuff like that and you can make an argument. I could go through his newspaper and build a case that it is a right wing publication. It's obviously not a right wing publication. But if I wanted to I could do that. You know and that's why you also have people who are on the conservative side. Who sometimes complain that you know. We have moved left at the examiner. Because you have a high profile story that everybody shares and it tends to be this one that is a defining issue for a lot of readers. So they don't care that there's these three other stories on the homepage. That say something else. What they care about is like this huge story. Were all looking at Russia collusion right. I don't care where the examiner comes down on the carried interest loophole. I don't care where the examiner e-e-e-e-no comes down on sin taxes. I care much more about where it comes down or what it thinks of the Russia collusion stuff or the Ukraine stuff. Or what rights you know. We tend to do this. One big issue thing and everything else just sort of floats away and you end up. Having a lack of context. One thing that editors do bought myself both tried to do as well as editors of the other publications that everybody out there reading is cover all the issues relevant right to the audience and things that should be relevant and get them the information they want to know but when you go on the Internet you see the Cherry picking and there's like five percent of America is on twitter or something but ninety nine point nine nine percent of those are journalists and politicians so the narrative get set with these ridiculous flights that go on on twitter and the rest of the country has no idea that it's even happening with that. Let me just personally say thank you bye. Thank you seth. Thank you for having us. Thank you so much for having me. As we commemorate the seventy fifth anniversary of the end of World War. Two this year the focus has very much been on survivor testimonies and making sure the horrors of the Holocaust or not forgotton. We focus on the atrocities. The lives lost the lives forever. Altered for some who've seventy five years later are still putting the pieces back together that includes recovering the art and family heirlooms looted by the Nazis that have made their way to museums galleries and living room walls and returning them to the rightful owners or at least their heirs with us to discuss. This mission is Dr Wesley Fisher Director of research for the conference on Jewish material claims against Germany and World Jewish Restitution Organization and Olaf Osman the lawyer for the heirs of Richard Symbol a family in South Africa who has been fighting since nineteen ninety nine to recover art. Gentlemen welcome to the show. Hello I'm happy to be. Thank you for the invitation. Thank you both Fisher let's start by explaining to listeners. How many works of art were stolen by Nazis during the war? And how many still remain unrecovered nor in Limbo. If you will. This is the greatest theft in history. Greatest Cultural Property History. It involves millions of objects. Usually the focus is on high art and there have been some estimates about that but in no one really knows the full number clearly in the millions because he looks at the archival records of what was returned even from from Germany at the end of the war. That's also in the millions. So you have to understand that. This doesn't include also libraries many books. It includes everything from numismatic collections. To Japanese net suitcase it includes also of course the high art that people are aware of through the the press the the usual numbers given our about five hundred thousand high art paintings that were stolen of which perhaps one hundred to two hundred thousand are missing but those were guesses. They were presented at the Washington Conference on Holocaust era assets in nineteen ninety eight and they have stuck since. That's usual reply to this question. But in fact it's bigger. And where are they landing we? Are You finding these pieces? These are moveable objects movable property so they are all over the world. They are primarily in Europe but not only if one is looking at questions of many of the artworks there also in the former Soviet Union there are however a great many things that are also in the United States in South America in Israel in Australia. We haven't really investigated what may be in Japan but that's also an issue so it's quite fast. Many of them are in museums. Many of them are in private hands there in libraries. They are in various types of collection. Now Mr Osman you represent the heirs of Richard semel Jewish who fled from Berlin to Holland eventually landed in America and was forced to sell his sizeable art collection. Those airs live in South Africa now but they have been trying to recover this art collection for the last thirty some years. Can you tell us about the challenges? You and the family have faced the collection from Richardson. Who formally lifted in Berlin is a good example for what they meant with It spread all over the world because we know from a couple of options that took place during nine thousand hundred twenty in nineteen not initiated by himself. Who on the flight already and you have to have in mind? The semel flew to Cuba. I Are Netherlands Cuba and ended up in New York night the night if he had no time and no of ability to take all his papers his crew is anything with though. The original similar have been phased situation that they couldn't even prove the ownership of their own house in Berlin right off the wall. This washed the tough and then they had to go through was in one thousand nine hundred forty six ninety seven to go to the administration and Bin Laden and to look into the papers of having their family home in Berlin Dahlem at this time and it took right off the nineteen ninety when they opened up archives in these and in Russia including to prove that how this changed hands from this assembly into the hands of the guy coach Kuna who was quite close with The Nazi government and full in one thousand Dr to at the time and be approved by relates to recover. The villa at this time found about The company and improved about the textile company. He owned in Berlin and of like the different. How I came in contact with the family. they hired in South African lawyer and the lawyer even though to find the correct place for the company because number change names street change. Everything changed and that is a quite large number of archives job to find out who was you know but when did you change? How did it change? You need to textile and stuff like that. We sold it out everything and this took up more than ten years to find a license plate and right from the beginning the greg try it off the life companion of and she always spoke about that. She walked walking through this nice villa in Berlin Dahlem and remember all these paintings because that was one way with what she called as a small child something some dock old paintings his wing from the Dutch masters and the other one of the more friendly one is a classic modern as say today from problems. We've talked a bit almost no no nothing. What we tried to find proof that collection itself excision in I am be found out that the election and be now about one hundred and twenty painting so and we we try to look one after the other and the best case. It's always when one of depending appears on the off. Marcus Mr Osman. Do you find that institutions play by the rules set up at the Washington conference and still stand by the principles behind it as I said in washing. I'm friends. The general idea of to identify all of this stone by the Nazi on one way or the other so all the Should be investigated in and some of work is found then it should be returned to the bef if one can them? Auburn is like the United Restitution Organization. Because it should stay in the hands of the gover- tribe. I'm almost sure that most of the countries that signed in nine hundred ninety eight at no idea about the number of offers involved and countries like Germany Switzerland and other found out very. I think it's a one year two years. That's I think that the the the drapes them collectible at half of his connection with the his would follow washing. More archives are open to the public more and more collections are open to the public search. In the end we can compare information from different sources. And finally if some ox- work appears on the Balkans then even Christmas is now context. It's familiar to get dissolution. Whereabout the art out there for which the provenance is completely unknown. Well as all of Osman has been saying after The Washington Conference in Nineteen Ninety Eight. There was interest are an attempt to look at what was in museums. The problem was that museums. We're looking at their collections as they are as were at the time or as they are today we at the Claims Conference and the World Jewish Restitution Organization felt that this was simply not enough because so many things had gone into private hands. I've gone elsewhere throughout the world have been lost destroyed for one reason or another and we therefore decided that we should test matter. Go back to the original archives of looting so we began to look at the Archives of the largest agency Nazi agency. The stub writes that Rosenberg or the E. R. Worked OUTSIDE THE RIDE. And we began to put those archives together. Now in terms of the scattered archives note that this one agency is. It's records are in twenty nine different archives. In ten different countries largest collection was in Kiev. We went we started to scan all this to make it possible to look at this and these are in fact. Some of the main records in regard to France and Belgium and the like. It's not so much in Germany. Because they were they were taking things outside of the right and we eventually put together a database on what was stored at the what was processed at the department which is next Luger and indeed that proved when we put it online in two thousand ten that group to be a major change because it was the first time that you could see what was taken from home it was taken and what the fate of the object was but in this instance shown to be so useful because it in fact identified a series of things that were in the also the Louvre and also the result of bump into an browns but also things such as items that were in the University of Oklahoma and many many other things throughout these circumstances. We have decided that this in fact was working well and that we should expand it to try to do what was originally wanted in the Washington conference namely a comprehensive database of all objects that were taken and from whom they were taken and what their fate was. We have just begun that in a major way through something called the Jewish digital cultural recovery project. We have not put this in the media so far because of the pandemic because the virus pandemic in our senses that it is not appropriate to deal with this Form at this time but as a practical matter this is a large project that is funded in part by the European Union and it involves a large number of major organizations in at the moment in Western. Hopefully that will in fact be something that in future years will answer some of the questions that people very often have including yourself named. Joe Can you show me what was taken now? Which countries who have this art in their possession have not cooperated with the principles of the Washington Conference? This is very large if we start to all the countries that have not done anything or that have made things difficult in various ways. It's a very long list. So essentially what all of US -ment is referring to in regard to the Netherlands or other is is very great drought. I must say I assume that old hosman will be talking a bit about this question of the balance of interest issue in the Netherlands. Because there's a case where there's an instance in which we have been trying to deal with the Dutch government on the because of a policy matter that has affected specifically one of his cases but is generally problematic not only for that specific case but across the board. I'll please Mr Osman plays. Can you share a little bit about that? Especially the Netherlands have been one of the first countries who established a comedy has to do with trump single person in the Netherlands. The AQAP was taking care of our topic even before Washington from friends so he found in the document. Netherlands that the pope sent a whole trend with auto broker belonging to Jews from the Netherlands or conscious kind of in the Netherlands the Netherlands and the simple talk the distribution of the original owners but they never did and existing today. It's what they call the national collection of the Netherlands the collection of all these artworks and should be disappointed to the Jews and if he sees them papers from from the fifties and sixties that several former OPS elector at tried to recover some artwork in the Netherlands and got some strict onto A. It's nothing less than they got some small Thompson and when in two thousand and two the Restitution Committee established by by the culture. They did the strange thing in my view because the person in the of culture who is responsible for taking care of the no work with value for the an a nation has to leave the country. The person who has to count just I I have to strange situation that The legal adviser of his community as poppy in my case the He he's sitting off me for before the Dona for the national elections. Okay so that's one of the next that this committee gave them cell the rules and criteria to it not taken as in other countries. I got mental Jewish Ovalles even by parliaments and they could buy their own and the last president from this commission was very inventive and stopped to at several criteria to existing Washington principles and one of the worst is that they stopped awaiting interest between depression owner and diploma and actually not even the former owner up the actual claimants today sitting next to the representative of a museum in for and this Guy Office Museum as the talks to tell the resolution committee that the painting you are opting for flying is the most important episodes Mexico off with have a legal problem with the newseum is working five. Wouldn't argument like it. So he's he's taking this and then the impression from the commission look the other about your client and when you stop to explain this were taken from the family eighty of Beck. So how could this family have a close emotional connection to this painting today? It's simply impossible. This way of interest between on and the president owner always end up in a decision in favor of the the Oppressed Elena interesting interesting. What are the expectations? I mean I imagine that for some just an acknowledgement where of where this came from and what its origins are would be enough for others. They won't that art back for others. They just want compensation for that art. I mean I imagine there are various degrees right. Unfortunately the press tends to look at the very expensive works a Martin but in fact most things are not of that sort and generally these are objects which have tremendous meaning because they're very often the only things that remain to a family after a genocide recalled that this is not just simply theft. This is a fifth followed by murder and that is from that standpoint. This is a much different situation than simple our tests In that regard I have to say that the meaning of all this has been made greater in recent years because of the passing of the Holocaust survivors generation is now passing and some of the reason. Why as possible was saying things? Go onto the art market into the auction. Houses is because of the passing of generations and the fact that people now start putting things onto the art market that were in there addicts or in their grandparents homes or whatever the case may be Dr Fisher. You just touched on this but I asked this question of both of you. Seventy five years after the end of World War Two. Why does this issue of artwork matter? Now this is a question of the objects that have remained. They are the little ghosts that are still among us. And from that standpoint this is an unsolved heart of Holocaust in some respects it may be good unsolved because it means that Holocaust education may be able to continue using the objects as well as the archives on various testimonies. Like Mr Osborne. If you look at penalties life assembled pull them the head. No trump to get anything back from bill. Missile Assemble himself died fully in New York in one thousand nine hundred sixty and some friends from Berlin to pay for his funeral. Finally this man no penny at all the the for the penalty is a question of those because the generation. I'm sticking with false generation optimistic and of course they want to know what happened happened and we can use an. I agree was Wednesday can use. There's also to tell the stories of each families or why it happened. And who ex in favor and even for the markets should be the next sample of how you're never again with subject of up again bring back the names we also can tell pull over Lynn. For instance the story of the old collectors because most of eastern like us also appealed the to the millions that was a close connection between each and everything and and of course. We have to solve this problem. And it's not good for community of incomplete to base depressant life on life's like this this never survive and some have to tell the story. Well Fisher Mr Osman. Thank you so much for joining us and telling us this part of the story. That is so rarely talked about and we really do appreciate you shedding some light on it. Now it's time for our closing segment about table. Talk Manja when you're talking with your family and friends that your about table this weekend. What are you gonNA be talking about so sophie? At Our table we will be talking about why our family is still taking abundant precautions. Even as the sun finally comes out and beckons us to parks play dates. Even as countries like Israel and states like Texas returned to their cafes and beauty parlours. My state remains in lockdown. I've been watching. Israel's since this all started the harsh restrictions. The country placed on travelers and citizens alike in hindsight. They don't seem so harsh now but I'm also watching closely. As these restrictions gradually lift schools are expected to return to normal on Sunday. Gyms are open as long as customers. Don't register a fever. Chefs hoped to reopen the restaurants as early as next week with diners seated several feet apart and hand sanitizer on every table. But I'm also watching. As the deadly hatred of Israel escalates and the measures Israel takes to defend itself ended in heartbreak at the end of a recent mission to arrest terrorists in the West Bank. Twenty one year old staff sergeant on meet. Benegal lost his life. When a Palestinian youth lobbed a large rocket is head from above Palestinian youth. That refers to someone's child whose life once he's charged will be ruined too. It is so heartbreaking. There was this brief period where cooperation and compromise became the political imperative where the priority of keeping people alive became universal. Now it seems everyone has retreated back to their corners and the chaos of constant combat has escalated once again. Meanwhile there's this other chaos of combat this virus we don't know how to control scientists. Say We won't have a vaccine until early two thousand twenty one at best but once we do who knows what will prevent otherwise rational people from getting it. This spiral of pessimism is why I'm watching. Israel for seventy two years Israelis have lived in constant combat against an enemy that attacks them because they exist. But that's just it. They do more than exist they live. They enjoy Higham life despite the shadow and thread of Moffett death as I watched them cautiously open up to embracing life and each other. I am so hopeful. That the warnings of a resurgence will not become reality. I am so hopeful that we can eventually follow their cautious example and enjoy our summer with neighbors friends colleagues and extended family until then my immediate family will continue to make the most out of sheltering in place. Did I mention my five year? Old Son is reading to me now and he wrote a bicycle this week for the first time. He only crashed about a dozen times. My son would not have it any other way. This is what we will talk about at our Chabad table. Saffy how about your family well? Even as Israel emerges from many of its corona virus restrictions. We remain locked down here in the US. One central storyline throughout this crisis has been the debate over the behavior of Orthodox Jews. This came to a head a couple of weeks ago in New York City. Mayor Bill De Blasios singled out quote unquote the Jewish community and rebuke them. Or should I say rebuke us for not following restrictions? He isn't solely to blame for this perception. However many in the media obsessed over the Haredi population in particular questioning whether they are flouting the lockdown to pray and study together endangering their lives and the lives of others to the extent that there have been Jews who have broken the lockdown. They are deserving of scorn and condemnation. But here's what I think of think of the behavior of the Jewish community during this crisis ranging from totally secular through rigidly Orthodox. I think of the overwhelming majority of Jews have obeyed all restrictions. I think of the swift action by rabbis of all denominations to close their synagogues and keep them closed and to rebuke any few congregants who violate those restrictions. I think of the vast sums of money raised by Jews and Jewish organizations and used to support people whose lives have been turned upside down or to purchase and distribute protective equipment or to feed frontline hospital workers who are risking their lives. Every day for that matter I think of the untold number of Jewish doctors and nurses including dozens who I know personally who are among those incredibly brave medical professionals. I think the Jewish families who have lost loved ones the Jewish people who have died and their surviving family members who haven't been able to safely practice Jewish mourning rituals like sitting Shiva and saying cottage. I think of the Jewish scientists in Israel in the US who are hard at work attempting to create a vaccine to end this crisis. Once and for all I think of the many Orthodox shoes including Haredi Jews who represent a tremendously outsized proportion of all blood plasma donors as scientists seek to develop an antibody treatment. This has been a tough road for all of us in America the Jewish community no less than any other. We have a long way to go. But I'm exceedingly proud of our community has acted so far show botulism. I couldn't agree more. Saffy Shabat. Shalom. You can subscribe to the podcast on. Itunes Google play or spotify or learn more at AJC dot org slash people of the Pie. The views and opinions of our guests don't necessarily reflect the positions beige. See We'd love to hear your views and opinions or your questions. You can reach us at people of the pod at E. J. C. Dot. Org If you like this podcast you should rate it and writer review to help more listeners. Find US thank you for listening. This episode is brought to you by. Ajc Our producer is Congo. Our assistant producer is a Tarlac Rats and our sound engineer is. Tk Broddrick tune in next week for another episode of people of the hot.
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"Deep. Women making waves on Cambridge five radio. We enter the world of adolescent psychiatry. Now, Linden's speaks to professor Tamsin Ford from Cambridge University. Professor at Thomson Ford CB An expert in child and Adolescent Psychiatry. She is a fellow of the Royal College of Psychiatrists, and since twenty thousand, nine hundred has been based at the University of Cambridge Russia's professor of child and adolescent. Psychiatry. Amongst other work. Thompson her setup initiatives aimed at highlighting mental health issues and young children and helped teachers to be more prepared when dealing with children who are experiencing problems welcome to women making waves Thompson hello thank you for having me Oh. You're very welcome. It's is a fascinating topic is actually and one thing. One thing that interests me is career pass sometimes to twists from the original plan. Would you started university which you have been surprised to see where you are today? Oh extremely that's kind of been the story of of my life. Really. So even before I got to university, I loved reading and I love writing and I always thought I was going to be a novelist in a Garrett. And I Grew up in a family of people who are talented spins and photographers and painters. My mother was an art teacher but also later in her life repaired ceramics for places like Christie's and Phillips in trying to be scaled. ICON underlying, heading straight and I, guess I have been some kind of a righteous if you had said to me when I was eleven or twelve going to be a doctor fall about laughing. And actually, it was a chemistry teacher who? taught me for the whole of secondary school from the age of eleven he went. I was making a level choices heard that I was sort of differing between two subjects and a science or two science subjects, and she really encouraged me to do chemistry saying you know you're you're better than average at this and the other option was English and she said you're really you'll always read books. But if you stop doing chemistry now that will be it. and. I'm quite an bags of this was a time when you needed three sizes or two sciences maths to get to medical school. And I think actually what I do. Now, my history level was the more important than the other stuff I could have picked up along the way, and in fact, at mind view personal medical school I had a debate about this with the professor who seemingly was unimpressed with my argument that I could learn the bits of physics that I needed to. And didn't replace place but I did in the end goal from do physics a-level after I left school I don't think I'd have been able to do to say levels. So that conversation swan mine tire career, and what was rather lovely as a few years ago on the thirtieth anniversary of leaving school I went back to a reunion hoping that this teacher would be there. And she was. So I got to have a conversation about your encouragement absolutely changed my life for the BAFTA. That's amazing. You know you're the second woman that we've interviewed recently, who has had that kind of mentor that someone in the background who's pushed them in the right direction and change their lives really is fascinating. Yet just shows the pair of encouragement because I? Think. I was surrounded by literature opt the. And nobody in my family, you know scientists were people who were going to blow up the world. And, there was nobody feeding that side of me. And the interest was there but. He's been given the confidence that actually you're good at this and it's important. So you changes a doctor and you worked in several London hospitals but then you specialized in psychiatry what made you choose that particular path? Well again I think it's interesting. So also was doing physics level. Couldn't find a job that would allow me that the mornings off to go to my physics lessons. So I felt that my time because everybody else was either traveling the World University, I filled up my by going to adult education courses. and. Few of them were very practical. So I learned to touch track properly without having to look down at your fingers for which I'm immensely grateful. If it's very tedious but a very good thing to have done and I did history of art please my mother underwriting costs because that was just fun. But actually one of the things that caught my eye was a psychology and sociology access to university course and I just I despair often eight largest thought that looks interesting goes actually the interest in mental health was there. They're though not articulated before I. Even got to medical school. and. We were very well taught and actually you know there's a book which I think is God knows what addition it's in now but. It's a book called Learning Medicine, which sort of talks about the different career options, and it's aimed at people wanting to be medical student so that they have an idea of what they're letting themselves in for and I remember very clearly reading and you know one out of the year of one hundred was. Likely to be a psychiatrist and thinking well, that strikes me as not very many but you know not really thinking about it. Well, in my ear I think there are over twenty psychiatrists that of one, hundred, nine of us, and I think that was something about the very inspirational teaching. But actually looking back at me and my attitudes I think it was going to be psychiatry or nothing or maybe public health but again, you know it wasn't. Maybe. It has per public health teaching on much of gone in for that at all. But I've always wanted to do psychiatry when you qualifies a Doctor, they let you out with L. Plates essentially. and. My Day you had to do six months six months surgery. It's now two years and interestingly I didn't feel. Ready to kind of abandoned the doctoring better doctoring and and they're seductress because those times and I think sadly, quite lot today. Physical Medicine and psychiatry is just two separate. Scatter, is on call you all the medical cover and I just didn't think that I had enough experience to do that. Well. So I did what they now have to do, which is an extra year where I went and worked in a casualty department at King's in Brixton which was a fabulous if exhausting experience meant that by the end of that six months, I basically seem pretty much every emergency I was likely to be faced with and have to handle on my own, and then I did a job which was three months care of the elderly in the east end of London and three months care of. The elderly, mentally ill at a different allied hospital, which is great because I got a little bit ahead of the game in the country but I did a bit more medicine as well so that when I was the only person with any medical skills in a medical emergency in a psychiatric hospital, I, kind of fell equipped to deal with it confident that I could. You're mentioning public healthier and just as a bit of an aside, I was interested to see that you have a master's in epidemiology, which is, of course, very relevant in these covert days have been keeping Keanae on the with the virus is being handled. Yes what's been across crash revision course and infectious diseases. Epidemiology Epidemiology really is the basic science, the underpins public health in the same way that sort of physiology anatomy biochemistry genetics of the basic. Sciences the under pendant, a lot of medicine. And the London School of hygiene was such a privilege to go and do my master's there. So I'm very unusual as an academic in that I did all of my postgraduate clinical training and psychiatry before I really did any serious research whereas most people get involved earlier on and I think the pluses and minuses I think it's another example of how. My life is taken unexpected twist and turn. So if you had said to me even when I was most of the way through my psychiatric training, you're going to end up being a professor and an academic I would have fallen rat laughing. As well, as would have most of my friends are certainly most of the people you need medical school you know I was not. Sitting in the front row and top of the close by any means in fact, I was usually in trouble for asking why But attitude questions. Well. I thought. So but my shooters were less impressed at the time. You a large child supporting teachers and children in schools. Tell us about that. This again was a real privilege. It was a study that I really wanted to do, and in fact, where supporting a replication of it. Now, because one trial in this country is not enough to be confident although I would argue that six days training appears to have an impact on children's mental health and their ability to concentrate and low level disruption in. The classroom over a couple of academic years afterwards actually worth the investment particularly that seems to be most effective for those children in poor mental health at the beginning. So I had become increasingly convinced as a child psychiatrist that a large part of my job was helping children to Cape with school really I mean I don't want to criticise unduly of very hard working teachers and I think anyone he's had to try and home school their children. The lockdown, we'll have a hearty respect, but just what teachers do. But I think our education system is very underfunded. And we have a system that is great. If you are kind of missile master average. Yes. But if you are different in some way I think it can be very very difficult to cope with. An, you know you go to any university department of computing or them's accountantcy. Tech firms, you will fund a sizeable proportion of people who have an autism spectrum condition, but this is a great often are academically able but really struggled to Cape in the very social atmosphere of school particularly, secondary? School. and either their behaviors misinterpreted and they're seen as disobedient to difficult. So they sort of go down. Exclusion rate all they get so anxious because they just cannot cope in the social environment that they stopped going and therefore they fulfil academic potential. And saying this repeatedly in the clinic and then reading up about it just made me think well, you know what training teaches get about child development and Behavior because you know I would not feel equipped. To stand up in front of a class of thirty people's and be confident let I could get to the end of the lesson. In fact, one of the scariest things I ever did who's wall. So as a trainee on the Lesson Inpatient Unit at the Bethlehem journey some holiday when the schools were closed, we roll expected to market and do things with the young people who sadly were too unwell to go home. And I ran a yoga class and I just remember at the beginning of it with six young people k. six young people who had. You know fairly severe mental illnesses that are just you have any gold six of them and I am really terrified. Out Kit controllers in fact all went fine but. Teaches very, very tough job. In, this country, we give them a lot of formal training anymore. The very few beard causes that cover things like child development or classroom management skills. So you fall back on what you experienced that school on urine parenting, which may or may not be a good experience and what you see around you, and that's not the same in some other countries and at the same time, I was very lucky to work as a trainee with Stephen Scott At South London Moseley, and it just trust and he. Was An expert in helping children with really severe. Behavioral problems at the point where it becomes a mental health condition because it's impairing their ability to function in everyday life and would be known by the rather unfortunate name of conduct disorder. Now, we could talk for hours about whether that should be a psychiatric diagnosis, but just accept that these children do appallingly badly in terms of future health education occupation and their intimate relationship. So and also conduct disorder in childhood predicts that every adult mental health condition areas including psychosis anxiety and depression, and it affects about one in twenty of. School age population. So that's one or maybe two in every single classroom. who have that level of behavior? Disturbance. So Stephen Scott it become very interested in it subsequently ran a couple of trials on parenting program developed by very talented woman from Seattle Cooled Caroline Webster Stratton, and the parenting courses called incredible years, and if you're interested she has an excellent website but in fact because she works in the American system where the most vulnerable children don't have access to health insurance. She had developed. These programs is a kind of package and with a parenting course, but also costs for teachers and then one for small groups of the young people and the idea was it was this three pronged approach that fell back on very well known psychological theories and most of which have empirical evidence to back them up. So The fact that adult attention is very rewarding. If your responding all the time to the low level destruction, I mean, obviously there are things as a parent or teacher you absolutely have to respond to yes. But it's best to try and ignore as much as the stuff you won't if you can and to be very clear about what you do want. So rather than saying, don't cross the road, which is frankly dangerous because the instruction cross the road is much more salient than the game at the beginning of it, which is why so often small children if you say don't do that they immediately. And it's like, if I say, don't think we've been cal thint anyone not thinking of pink elephant is actually really quite unusual. You know. So rather than don't don't crossroad stay by May on the pavement, then the child is absolutely clear what you want as opposed to just name one thing as we're range of options that you don't want them to do and. The programs are not sort of soft and fluff. Any got to be lovely with children are they are wanting to tie what the the behavior that you want gets lots of attention positive incentives and behavior has consequences. So if you do all your work get more golden time at school or if you push your sister, you will have to go and sit on the not charon thing Quebec, and then it's really important that the consequences that you've laid out of three because then the child learns that behavior has consequences the parenting program had just now gone everywhere all over the world and it makes absolutely sense as a public health intervention. If you won't have the biggest impact on children. His behavior is difficult supporting the parents who are trying to manage them because ultimately, the only thing that any of us are in control of is what we ourselves do. So if you want somebody else to change, then you need to change how you are responding to them. Is actually going to be the most effective but training parents is going to do nothing about behavior. That's a difficulty in school. Now, I know that family context and parenting is hugely important but actually. Holding parents responsible for their child's behavior in the classroom is a little bit like expecting teachers to ensure that their people's tidy their bedrooms and make their beds and when I'm feeling braver say that teaches I say put your hand up. If you think you can do this and Cypher on nobody has. Because, it's a big risk and yet it's something that practitioners both in education and Health Services I've sat in many conferences around disciplinary issues wet. That's precisely what we're doing. We're holding the parents responsible for something they can't change. So I got to thinking about what about for these problems but our school based and I'd seen a number of families come through the clinic where they done really well with a parenting course and then a year or so later, there'd been a problem at school and the whole family gets not back because they're so anxious about slipping back in because they get messages from the school. It's their fault not paying hard enough. And one of the things we know is that harsh inconsistent discipline certainly expand your problems last longer so I went to myself trained in. So I could have delivered the course I went and visited Caroline Stratton in Seattle to talk about what did you think about trying this on its own? And then began a couple of years of feasibility work where. We just deliver the course for free to teachers and then got their feedback about it, and at the same time, I'm sorta testing the feasibility of running as a trial. because. If you don't work with the people, you know in a way, I was using schools like. subjects in a laboratory studying if you kind of understand the context of what's going to fly, then then your trial however beautifully designed as an experiment at work. So, wonderful the things I wondered was whether or not this training had an impact on how teachers felt about how good they were their job, their levels of burn out which we know in the education profession a very high. Mental Health, which we also know is poorer than the general population amongst teachers but I didn't know whether I could get teaches to fill in questionnaires about it. So that kind of thing. So we we ran a think four group SEDRO couple of years and did a lot of preparatory work, and then we're kinda slightly cool on the the hoof about six months before we were going to apply for funding Cole came out from the national. Institute of Health Research, which is likely the government's kind of health research arm if he likes NAM legs body that gives out funding and put. Out A call four social emotional interventions to improve children's mental health. So I kind of thought. Well, if I don't go for it now it's a bit early, but if I go for this now I never get it and to cut a long story short we got it. We ran a five year trial with eighty schools around the south west of England. which was where I was then based and basically we randomize which means like tossing a coin in which school got the intervention. I. One of the things had teachers told us when we were doing our preparatory work was that. If they didn't get the intervention, they wouldn't stand study. So the ideal trial design is half getter and half date, and you compare your outcomes of what you hope is that the end of the study, the ones who've got the intervention doing much better. But if you lose your controls schools because they're not going to allow you to come into their classrooms and disrupt collecting questionnaires every every year then that's obviously no. Good. So we devised design whereby provided we had no mic ca grapes amongst the children. Were being followed for the intervention than the control group could send a teacher on the course. The following year at provided that teacher didn't come into contact with the trial children over the next couple of years. So it was it was very complicated to run. We had about two thousand young people we sent questionnaires home to parents for the book bags and were amazed when we got. Seventy percent of those backer baseline. The main outcome was mental health with a child is rated by the teacher. So we got baseline measures before we randomize, which is really important because then nobody is influenced by WHO's going to go on the cost straightaway but who's in the control group and has to wait because none of us know at that point, the teachers then were told whether or. Not they were going on the call. Some course ran from November to about April. The next year was six whole days but spread about a month apart so that teachers could go into their classrooms and try things out, and the course is Manulife Leist, but it allows adaptation to the contacts with fidelity to the original model. So there's a number of ways that you can get the. Key points across which include getting the teachers you know to role play situation so that people can practice and rehearse how they manage things. So somebody plays the teachers, somebody plays the child somebody plays what the teacher might be saying to themselves to help them cope kind of internal monologue, and then you have a discussion about how it's gone you can use video vignettes but because they were. Quite old. And also in the states I think they have to become carefully handled because otherwise everybody was trying to see what date they came from sort of put my the. Differences not focusing on what they wear and sometimes just tactic teaching or discussions, and it was organized in the first whole day really is about making it a safe environment for teachers to come and sit and reflect and the teachers loved it. You know we had really really positive feedback on the whole. They would be a bit frustrated because they've come and wanting to know how to deal with trickiest people's. And of course, it starts with. Positive attention and the importance of good relationships with some lovely concepts like the Piggy Bank of goodwill you know if you all going to correct a out, then you do need to have that positive relationship and sort of being careful. The only time you talk to parents is not when you've got something bad to say about their child. So sending good news home as much as you can is is really important. So yet the teachers really valued it, and then we went back at the end of the call. So Kathleen missing sites, but usually June of the same academic year and got the teachers and the children filling out questionnaires, and then sent questionnaires home by the book. Bags. And on a quarter of of sample, we also did blind observations. So people went to the classroom. We've worked very hard to try and make sure that they didn't know whether it was an interventional control school although sometimes they're hints and I think in about two thirds of cases they guest rightly when we asked them but we try really hard to keep them blind. So they went in before the call started and then when we got our first followup intervention so that was A bit of sort of external observation as as a backup, and then we went back the next two years in the spring term to get data because we have a problem in the, you can't stop a in knowing that they've been on the course. So when people talk about a double blind randomized controlled trial, what they mean by that is neither the doctor he's issues referred to in drug trials neither the doctor the patient knows whether the patient has been given the placebo drug. All the new intervention well when you're talking about psychological or talking therapists of this course. Can't blind to teach to the fact they've been on the coast, and of course, our primary outcome was the teachers recorded a brief questionnaire over the strengths and difficulties questionnaire that they completed about all the children and their class before they went on the course and afterwards, and you know the weaknesses that the guy on the cause changed the way that they responded. So we wanted to go back when we insisted that the children separated from the teacher at the end of the year partly so that the control teachers because that sets the course but partly also, so we can get data from a different teacher in subsequent years and we went back for two years after so. Each school within the trial for thirty months. Oh, three academic years pretty much and what we found was that there was a small but statistically significant reduction in mental health problems across the population of children who were taught by teachers who went on the course in the first year, it didn't persistent. The Nets T. is but low level disruption was reduced across all three time points and I think most teachers would think that's worthwhile and shut children's concentration was improved across all three time points. Now is a tune you know they might not be health variables, but for education, those are two very important variables and then for the children who were in poor mental health at the beginning. Then mental health did improve and that did seem to assist. So I think is not equivocal evidence that we should all be rushing out and doing this. But what we can say is it does seem to have an effect on the most needy the teachers founded acceptable. It was feasible for them to do and they enjoy doing it and found it useful and it was enough to secure funding to do another big trial with some learning that came out of that I drive. So for example. In our focus groups where we were asking teachers about experience of going on the core several of them said. Well. This has been absolutely brilliant. But of course, it started in the middle of the year and you wait to can actually build this into my planning next year and I thought. Well, we're not going to know about that because we're following the children we're not flowing you. Sanchez thing really isn't it that they wanted to pursue that really well, it it certainly says to me that they thought it was useful because they wanted to use it, and this trial is going to train all year one and year two teachers and the children were in reception as the teachers do trainings. Another I have two years of being taught by teachers trained. This way will be the children that we follow. So they'll have two years because also the other thing was the intervention was long for the teachers it was six months, but it meant that the children were essentially any taught by fully trained teacher for half a tab. So again, the fact we found a thing is perhaps remarkable. Anyway, it was a real privilege to do this study was a that I really really wanted to do and what very hard to get the funding. But working hard and having a strong application doesn't always result in a funded grant application. It's been me just me but is there more of an emphasis these days on mental health because I don't remember it being such an emphasis when I was when I was young and I went to the school on Sixties and Seventies. Do you think that instances of poor mental health has increased or is it just more transponder because we we? Accept and talk about for more. Now that's an extreme meka question I. think actually it's a bit of both I was involved in a very interesting study led by colleagues Ucla where they looked panel surveys that had been completed in. England. Wales and Scotland over twenty year periods. So there's a big cross sectional surveys about all kinds of things, but often containing a measure of mental health completed about children by parents or by young people themselves. and. So these are different groups of young people, but you can look at age and gender of the same Asian same gender over years. And although we didn't detect a consistent signal that mental health was deteriorating year on year, we did find that parents young people were much more answer much more likely to answer positively to the question. Do you think you might have a mental health problem? Now whether that reflects a change in awareness or change in willingness to speak out. I, don't know I agree I think certainly, there's been some very hard work by the royal collusion psychiatrists and other mental health organizations to tackle stigma head on and to encourage people to sell to seek help which I think is a good thing. We have effective interventions and we just need to be able to plug more people into them. And you know the burden of mental health conditions is as high as that for cancer or cardiovascular disease. The funding is is much much lower both in terms of research and service provision and I think this reflects the the stigma that's attached to mental health still although I think is lifting. At the same time, some very careful studies have demonstrated that I think we are seeing an increase in mental health conditions among young people in the UK. So a colleague from Cardiff Stephan Collishaw. Has studied trends in poor mental health in young people across the world and he's sort of detected. Clare increases and decreases in different countries at different times as far as you can adjusting for sort of methodological problems and I. Think. It is really difficult because the way people on Sequester Nass changes over time. The questionnaires used. So the way you measure and define mental health. So autism is a very good example when I was training as a psychiatrist in one thousand, nine hundred ninety. We still thought the daughters and was a very rare severe condition affecting one in ten thousand children that was mostly associated with a degree of learning disability when in fact. As people have started it in more depth than in populations that weren't collected by clinics we realized now that it's a spectrum. and. Probably, it's more like one in one hundred. Young people are affected to the point that it interferes with their functioning. You know. So I think with autism spectrum in particular, you have to be a bit careful I think there has been a whole redefinition of the condition also much greater awareness of the condition and how it can impact on people. That said I've been part of big national surveys. She was a huge amount of luck in a real privilege to be involved in the first one is a clinical reiter, and then in the last one, I trained most of the clinical raters and ended up leading the scientific advice to to the report in three separate surveys which were big. The first one was ten and a half thousand. The second one was nearly eight thousand and the last one was over nine thousand. Children and young people. And that does show statistically significant increase in the age group that we had data on at all three time points. So it's gone up from basically one in one in ten to one eight. For the first time, we had data in older teenagers. So seventeen to nineteen year olds in the last survey and they seem to be really struggling, and that is now consistent signal that is coming out of. Lots of different data sources of the Millennium Cohort who are now nine nineteen. The last day was collected when I was seventeen huge rates of psychological distress, and likewise that has been a parallel survey of adult mental health service happened every seven years, and in the last one, which was two thousand and fourteen as a sudden spike of anxiety and depression and self harm among sixteen to twenty four year olds particularly young women. So I think when you're getting the same signal from different teams of researchers in different ways. I think we have to complete, but there is something that is badly effect to mental health of older teenagers, particularly young girls. Do. You think that that something might be the Internet and social media? I think it is something that lots of people. Are. Worried. About. I think it's going to be any one thing and I. Think there is a correlation between social media use and poor mental health. So in our national serve and two, thousand, seventeen, for example, youngsters the. had. A mental health condition were more likely to fail after control on the Internet use. They were more lightly to fill that. They couldn't be themselves. They were more likely to have both perpetrated and been the victim of cyberbullying. But we really lack longitudinal data and it could work both ways people withdraw when mental health this poor. So maybe he'll spending more time on the Internet because you're not doing other things. Yeah. I has been nobody I think for a lot of people in there does seem to have been a radical change over the past few years and that's what made me wonder if that was maybe a factor now last year in twenty, nine, thousand, hundred awarded a CB for your work in transforming mental health services in schools in the United Kingdom I did that feel well, if I'm honest I was completely gobsmacked it came out of the blue I thought the letter was a tax return. This initial letter arrives and then I thought it was having a joke I actually showed it to ask which one of your friends that. Photo Shop. It was. Really lovely. You know that the day of actually going and picking up the award was was a really lovely day my children and my husband and I went to the palace and yes, it's the fat that a whole group appears would have had to have written recommendations and you know I've been involved in writing them for other people. Yeah. I was amazed I felt very humbled I felt why man not many of the other people I know who I work with those I know off an haven't met. But. Yes. Very grateful. Delighted but hugely. You have children of your own, ass you've mentioned. Something a little bit curious about. Do you think that your involvement in the research that you do has made you more aware of their growth and experiences and their friends as well? Are you kind of watching them with a professional I? In a kind of unconsciously I mean. We try not obviously all the work I was involved with the managing behavior I. Think Hugely helpful you know babies don't come along with a manual. and. You have no control over who comes to live with you some of score and Angel and get something a baby with a really lovely. Warm easygoing temperament here's just easy to be with and some of US get children who are irritable shows. Just much trickier to. Scaffold their behavior in a way, but they can develop to their potential I think. They have been hugely helpful. So I think they were they were three when they first helped to psychology assistant get to grips with test they were doing in a study. And you know, they've done it all the way censor tested out. Way The way things are put together and how long it takes to do question today as yeah, I think. You know I'm sure it has influenced their experiences children I hope not in in a bad way and I you know I haven't allowed them to be in any of my studies but I think they've quite enjoyed. You know having their opinions taken seriously could imagine. What work are you involved with at the Moment Thompson As with probably a lot of people with very preoccupied by getting data on mental health amongst children and young people in relation to covert. Because we have a huge data gap in the under sixteen which. There are a couple of good internet linked convenience surveys that telling us about what's happening during covert but we have almost no date to that allows us to link from children were doing before covert. So, we've managed to get funding to go back to the national survey sample that were lasts in two thousand seventeen and there is the first wave of three waves of questionnaires that will be reported on later this month. Yes it's. It's been a busy interesting time professor at Thomson. Ford CB, thank you very much for joining us today. Thank you for inviting. There's been a pleasure. I really enjoyed speaking to professor. Thompson Ford. Interested and psychiatry psychology that kind of thing and I found it very interesting. You know her talking about the children and people that are suffering from stress and anxiety, and the fact that does seem to be a growing thing and I. We did have that topic is growing or is it just more recognized these days? I would say it's the latter part she if. Indian Linda probably say we all recognizing it more than we've ever done which is a good thing isn't it? Yes I think it is. It is but I did find it amusing when I asked her if she thought should be surprised about what she was doing the woman didn't she said Yeah. So it wasn't the best student. And I think that's very interesting is a professor in very renowned at what she's doing. So any students are listening. To this show shoe for the bit of of application where you can get to the. Women making waves on Cambridge one, five radio.
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"This episode is sponsored by four bucket veterinary string supplements use promo code chatfield. He's received twenty percents off your first order from full pocket. Veterinary strength supplements chats chatfield. This podcast in your idea of what impact veterinarians head owners and basically all animal lovers of the galaxy. Humans are your doctor. jan. The vet dr jason. If you have not yet subscribed to our show why not chatfield show dot com and subscribe today and if you want to reach and you've got a positive message of love you can find me at gen. Chatfield show dot com or every other message. That's actually truthful and honest. You can reach me. At jason's chest show dot com. Okay chat room today. I'm very excited. Jason we have A very energetic. Guest that i think the chatterboxes they're gonna find very interesting. I do too okay. So i've known for energy. I have known her for. Gosh i think like eight or nine years maybe ten years. You still talk to you. Yes yes this is a person. Her book all right. She's tough amounts of patients. Yes that's true. She is no she is not an infinitely reason for obviously is all right. But what i'm excited about is she just started at school. Oh yes with that. That's always exciting. Yes at mississippi state and ruled against he. She says donate. it's not. It's not stayed in mississippi state. Still still still a solid solid school Anyway let's just bring it on so we can get you how about that. Great okay so everyone lease warm. Welcome for our friend veronica list. How are you good. Good so so. I'm super excited for you to join us. Because i think I like the journey to becoming a veternarian is an interesting one. And you i think of all people are going to have a super interesting journey because you already have had already been pretty interesting. I know okay so tell us you like so mississippi state you. You're you've already started school right. Yes get i'm actually. This is our fourth week. That's pretty exciting. I've made it four for a month like rounded up and say. I don't know when this is gonna win win win the listener going to actually hear this but it's in the middle of the summer you're already four weeks and it's already very different than you know on million years ago in dr genuine. So what is that of alex. Yes when dr tenant daca jason lend you yes yes okay so all right so tell us about that because most veterinary schools start like on a traditional school calendar august have one semester august december. And then you have the second semester january til like what may and then you have summer off. Okay hold on. I still just my point. Is that still true. I'm only joking about how long it was but it was long enough ago for that to have changed and education is changed a ton over the last you know half decade or whatever so maybe that's not sure breath. I think you're probably is. What would you know. So i'm gonna come a hundred percent speak about mississippi state. 'cause that's where i'm going. I don't know what penn's doing rain. I'm doing what. I know that they do have a little bit of a different timeframe schedule. Whatever you wanna call it. And that is and i really like this. And it's one of the reasons that i chose mississippi state other reasons. I live here now. And i'm a resident. So that's better and but you know what that's like we giggle but that's not a laughable thing for everyone listening you haven't been to vet school like usually you go to a you go to a school that accepts you and be you go to a school where you're a resident didn't state because it's half price or quickly become a reservoir you quiz german-resident wherever you got it and although they don't allow that so yeah and that's one of the things i will tell you that i learned so when i went and got my undergrad. When you guys were getting your. Uvm's right it was like. That's what i did. I went to to philadelphia and establish my residency and then and then got in state tuition. You can't do that anymore. You establish a residency before you go or you are not a resident because you gotta pay four years of out of state. Yes yes wife. did that. A lot of schools actually do that now too and they were doing that before when we were in school but but yeah okay so all right. So you've started you've got four years but let's tell everybody like how you got to vet school because we're a non traditional student because you did undergrad but not yesterday rate Yeah very nontraditional. So i like. I am astonished. Our class average age is twenty. Two and i don't understand that's possible when i'm forty one so like you think i would shifted a little bit. Average age is twenty. That's i think of. You can do this. You guys say something might pass was genita- conversation is going to go. But it was twenty six twenty five and a half that was the average age for our twenty five and a half crazy. So remember when you guys went. What was your class size. Nine thousand hundred twenty Something water hundred zero five okay. I so mississippi state twenty years ago. The class size was like forty right now. It's one hundred fourteen. We are the largest class six one hundred fourteen. They've ever had yep but a lot of schools in the last ten years have expanded their class because they need money. So yeah i mean. Florida increase their class size by fifty percent over over a for your period. Yeah so. I don't know how it's possible. This twenty two there are some like really young like twenty. There's some there is a girl in my lab that you so young. I said wait a minute. How old were you when she said on twentieth never mind we had an eighteen year old in my class. We've gone yeah it happened. We didn't have any of that. We were very normal Yeah okay anyway. So so you're nontraditional which means that you had a career before you went to school. I bet a lot of careers so neither neither one of us can hold a job like that. So i moved on so and it seems like that when i see how many things done but really i did some of them for a long time. I was a vet tech for a very long time. And i realized i had to feed in. Eat my eat Envied myself. So i had to of get out of that and i went into public health for seven years. Which is actually where i met you. Y'all could you talk some white faucets and we went to some trainings together. Some then i joined the mrc because And that that capacity. And then. After i was at alabama for seven years i got a second associates in crime scene and i went work for the sheriff's department five years in forensics by no rate so she was like a shensi person. Yeah though it kind of goes back to that who. I always wanted to be a bad. I always wanted to be healed. And it's that that investigative side right. What here's here's a problem. What is the problem. You know so i can always liked that the puzzle side so i did that for five years. I got my masters in forensic science from us and And then when. I lost my job i went into sales with I didn't forensic technical sales on at a cage. Okay okay wait the forensic technical sales. What is that like you were. Were you guys selling no we sold. We made laser scanners for craxi reconstruction. So really really cool. Super scientific like google payne on you. Put a big greedy laser scanner and a crime scene at it. Scans it and a documents everything for you and it's very very very it's down to the millimetre precise that's like in the movies. It on csi wouldn't do that and yeah just like gas while watching the show anymore. That is so unrealistic. That can't happen but there. It was an awesome product and forensic unit. And then. I did that for two years. An job right wing. Kobe hit when they were going to restructuring and laid off and my fiance said. I want to take some time and really think about which do and you now And i looked to be just kind of always in the back of my head. And i went on their website and i looked at her requirements. And i was like i i can. I can maybe do this like like. I'm like so. I decided to devote a year to seeing if i could get in. I did and it's awesome and here you are. That's good good for you for devoting a year. I mean that's that's like a one time offer. Did it was all or none on one application. Look at you. And i know and the reason that i had you say that is because i think a lot of people Like so y when you find yourself standing in an exam room you know three and a half years from now for years from now when your doctor dr v Those those pet owners are not necessarily gonna realize kind of the the diversity of knowledge that you're standing on the other side of the exam table with because everybody has a different paths to getting to where they are right. And so i think that's incredible and the perspective that i think you'll bring when you're assessing stuff is gonna be really interesting Just because of your background public health epidemiology an and the forensic piece. I think is going to be really interesting so sad cognitive thinking that goes along with forensics epidemiology. Going to help maybe not in your first year natoma class but when you get into the other kind of classes where they teach you how to think about problem solving. Everyone's favourite partner. I think exactly right so it's fun otherwise opposite of what i was. Yeah i was. No one's favorite partner. I was like the the the deadweight dragging the the group data. Nobody believes that wouldn't believe is true. All all my classmates that are listening or laughing and saying oh yeah yes she was Yeah so okay. So so you've just started and So you know we're going to do. We're gonna hear all about your first month but we're gonna take a break. I take a very quick break. Tang with us we'll be right back with From biblical with all the fuss happening in the industry why not invest in something to help guard against digestive health to arrangements in your pet full book. It's probiotics are formulated by veterinarians to support your pets normal digestive health your pets gut microbiome. It's integral to their immune system performance. Why not add full book daily dog or daily probiotic powder to your pets daily routine to curate protect maintain and strengthen your pets microbiome visits fool. Bucket helps dot com today to check out all of their veterinary strength supplement. Okay and we're back in the chat room today. Dr jason i or waxing nostalgic with aren't quite old what we're doing. Let's be honest thinking about how long ago it was when i was in bed scores forever ago. No iphones right about this. Because we have in today Veronica also known as being sharing with us because she's completed the first four weeks of at school at mississippi state. Okay so have you had any exams yet. Yes exams at acquaintance. Okay well first of all actually. We should share with everybody. Like what classes do you take per semester. Oh okay so. Let's see if i get this frank by donald would be very upsetting so we have a immunology. His balaji anatomy physiology and professional development currently in a month or so Professional development wine immunology. Histology will drop off will be done. And then we will start neuroscience and infectious agents and professional development to. Okay are you. Are you taking micro. No not yet. That's infectious Elements that kind of like broken up into a couple of things. 'cause like Extras agents Apology so okay. Yeah ono parasitology is always a stand alone law to bugs lots of parasites but okay interesting. So that's a heavy load. It's twenty six credits this first semester. Eighteen second semester. So i come on pick up some weight mississippi state. This is predicted with thirty two right every semester. We were thirty goes. I mean that sounds like me does says girl. Taking professional development one in that's like music appreciation for professionals do minutes of this time about. I know it all day. It's like all day all day every day. Right labs eight hour labs while luckily they've restructured that a little too. You're so we only have anatomy lab for two hours a week and we have histology lag for two hours a week and then the rest of it's kind of up to your discretion to come in and look at your stuff because yeah yeah. Wow that's very different so under study so in my an anatomy lab. I that they're doing that different right like so when we were in school like you had your group of three people you had your guide to the dissection and you basically spent the first semester dissecting dog right you guys you guys do it differently though yes so like i guess they kinda with cove it really is why think they did a lot of restructuring. Here they used to do that. Here's your dog your for people to learn but with kovin people couldn't be all coast like that so i think that's what made this happen. So they basically decided they were going to like the professors were doing the bogue of the dissecting right so the so that the students would stop butchering their specimens right and look every every inappropriate cut on. Your cadaver was a landmark on the exam. Right now this way they do the cutting we come in. Look at what we're supposed to look at that week. You know and then and we like you know. They've removed things in okinawa. This war we're looking at and that's how it's going that's how you guys are doing it right now. Yep i don't own issues about that different. I mean yeah. I thought it was always good to learn by doing it. I need to do it the other way. So maybe you learn more i. I don't really know but certainly different way of doing so. I have mixed feelings on it. I feel the same way. I the first anatomy class. I took in my undergrad was us doing it. And it kind of gave you that experience of cutting but let's face it. You guys know as well as i do. Dead things are different from living things. So it's not like cutting a living animal for surgery. Did you learn first. Four weeks of med school dead. Things are very different than than there in so good over there in forensics. You brought that with you did you. You didn't have to learn that like ellen. This stuff's not so much better than oo and see. That's what i'm thinking all the all the formaldehyde. All the formal end. It is clearly aerosolize with all the cadavers. I would've thought that would neutralize any code studies on and you're probably right. They probably have been totally fine. But either way either way so Okay so that's awesome. So what like. What are your classmates like. What's everybody thinking. I mean because you seem pretty calm today for today a good day. But he don't like i don't want to see for anybody else. I think anyone when they would ask in my class would say. There's a general feeling of anxiety. Right on david di basis. I don't get better as people take exams. So we've telling or worse do well. It gets worse. I promise you will feel that way. If i done about like really bad on my first exam and i'm doing everything wrong. I gotta fix something. Oh gosh you know. But i think for some people. Luckily i will say they're staying positive. Allocate these now. I know what. I don't know And that was refreshing. Because i was our want people to be laying already ready to off themselves ray. In month one rail. You know. And i think i don't know i think it's going well. Okay well so deep like the students that you have in your class they did they all like no when they were two years old they wanted to be of an area and they went right from undergrad. Or twenty two. Yeah i would say most of went. Right from undergrad. Without even knowing the stories almost have to write of course i'm nontraditional. i kind of gravitate towards the more nontraditional corner talk about the kids. Yeah i like but but like there are quite a few people. So mississippi state was shooting towards diversifying this year. Focus a lot more on experience than i think some schools than than the gpa. And so we have quite a few students that are thirty eight thirty nine on a thirty thirty one. There's a girl that was in the argon she's a medic in and i don't think she always wanted to be a vet. She probably always liked doing that kind of thing but generally went and became a medic in the army at some point. Now here's a couple people that out their masters so they were like biology. Didn't quite now. I don't think everyone's that. I always wanted to be on a lot of people that always had the passion. No or it's in some capacity. I don't know i would say there's quite a few people that don't have that much experience though in the field if they wanted to diversify. Does that mania that a bunch of boys in we do have a lot of boys me. I'm not diversify in biblical. He was like two hundred ninety six percent women and you know a couple dudes running around a bunch of cowboys right. Is that how it is there. Or y'all have by fifty fifty or what is now. We don't think that's crazy. I are so sorry. Eighteen or nineteen guys and then the rest are women so a little higher than you know right right right. Eighty twenty two better than ninety two. Those guys there to be honest with you. It's nice yeah yeah a bit different so i think you'd probably since you worked as a veterinary technician for so long before going into vet school. Has there been anything yet. Where you're like. Wait like i feel like everything i know is like outdated other than like vaccine stuff like i feel like i'm like okay but just wondering medicine changes a lot. The last twenty thirty years. I think there's a lot more technology i mean. I learned so much from you. Every time we talk and things like that was not a when i was working in practice and the practice that i worked at probably still wouldn't be a thing you know we used to joke. It was like a veterinary medicine. When you're camping so don't have it when you're camping probably have it in. Our clinic. never heard of that. That's that's funny. You know like we would have a other vets coming to our clinic. That have worked before you know you have only known. I'm no you stop right there now. Where's this machine where you came in your machine today. Right right right right. That's oh yeah so there been any any kind of funny stuff pop up yet. Because i know like in our class we had there was always jokes. I mean there's funny things that persist even like till today. And if you talk to your classmates you'll be like remember and we all laugh. Something happened first year. Do you have that jason. No except for these people put her picture up on wall one group of the month. Yeah but so have. Have you had any of those sorts of things happen like like all that. We're going to remember that its fourth year. Anything like that. We have one professor. That's very we've a couple of professors that have pretty good senses humor though bill from stuff that were just like like like funny. You know we a doctor skipjack today. He's histology teacher and he's not your theology teacher jack now ironically no but he while and he is a fish die so i mean kind of like anyway. He showed us a video that one of the previous classes did. It was the funniest thing i've ever seen. We're also like if you really showing this. So it was one of the senior class. They were graduating. They did this like hip hop video. It was look for girls and a couple of people of that. Mary turns and i'm going to listen to this. And i'm like this is incredibly talented of that like they had it all coordinated videoed and they had just the words they put macau even know what happens. Words are that they're saying but this is hilarious. You know what that's also called wet too much time. Oh to go there on celebrating. They had time again. I don't know yeah although in parasitology there's some songs and dances that go along with specific parasites I don't know if you're parapsychologists will sing and dance like ours. Did but you'll know you never forget them very effective. That's what i'm saying. That kind of stuff. I i look forward to. I was just a little surprised like it's nice though it kind of breaks the move the little. Yeah that's true that's true. All right jason anything else. You wanna bring up. I think it's exciting though so you you're not. I'm a four weeks into it. I think i remember out i was. I was one of the ones feeling super like what am i doing what i wanna do. We hadn't even had a test yet. I was so like all the words were different from me. I hadn't had any of these fancy anatomy physiology classes so it was like hitting me like a ton of bricks. You do seem very calm and and collected so good for you or you're faking it to make which usually is what you know. Not twenty two year olds are good at like we're good if we understand life a little more And so good for you. But i do think that I was super terrified right at this point four weeks and i was like oh my god i got. I got test coming up. I'm going to just make a twelve one. It right so and then some of us did make a twelve thirteen. But i still super terrified about anatomy to be honest with you. It's not my strong suit as far as members but she. Nobody's strong to you kidding me. They're going to ask you i. I mean it's not that hard you'll be fine but what you get past. They don't ask you about a few things so there. Yeah but you don't but you don't really need to know the super fancy name for stuff you just need to know that it's there so is you don't cut it right unless you mean to cut it except for the tests you gotta accept the test dot within that will that's true but again anatomy. Now my gig. I don't have amazing. You are so i. Like aspire right to yeah. Yeah but we don't like again. You don't have to know the dr ward when you get out then we call you heard. No i'm just kidding I have friends that know. The big dodger words surgeons that no they take them ten minutes to name a joint type of thing not because they've got it right because listing all of the names. I got a really important question. Oh actually ronca. What is what is what is the fashion. Because i'm looking at you right now and you're for those of you. Listening can't cancel. You're very dressed up very well. Put together very professional. Ben i think it was just because of our awesome podcast. But maybe that's maybe that's what you're doing every day. So what is the. What is this higher. Scituate dress code is there are required. Dress code is business. It was a very lengthy explanation of waiting could and could not wear now. I think it's a little over the top that we're at a place in society where we have to explicitly explain what business professionals. But that's okay. I get it. I'm going to nowhere for wiling to kind of explain it to us. And to be honest i didn't know what business casual was when i got there. I have no idea so. Let's not business casual. It's business professional. Yes it's professional so now see. I don't even know now. Sorry being said like. I think they've been really good about it. I get why they do it. There's were fans to young adults. Were swept hands for their undergrad classes. That's not appropriate here. And that's basically the tone. They're trying to set ready to wear professional tire by a couple blouses. Because i was a little bit of like these five but then these not probably right the suit on the edge. Yeah so you know. I need to find another black europeans in the navy plant pants on the lookout. So yeah so have you seen. Have you seen a third and fourth years walking around looking. I guess they probably scrubbed on you. Get away with it right there in thirty years or in clinicals the whole time if we see them they are in whatever scrub color. They don't count right. What about seconds. They still wearing a professional tires. It kind of slips that down a little bit second year just came back this week. They just started and on. They are wearing either Professional tire they have days. I think when they must go to clinicals and they got So yeah so okay. So what are you most excited about the opportunity for like like. Is there something coming up or like what's what are you excited about. You know it's hard for me to say that because i'm excited about everything vomit. What do you mean you're excited about everything you're excited about the next physiology test. You got everything. I excited to be a vet rice experience. Like i'm shocked that i got in. You know i'm you don't me. John i am a naysayer. I never thought i would get in and I'm just excited to be here. Yeah other than that. I'm just living day to day. Like i was getting in through today. Getting through tomorrow right. I had to go look at my schedule last week ahead so today's a good day right now. Good comment firm class. oh those good lecture i enjoyed. That is a good day. Do the podcast. last week. I was like look at the schedule. And find a happy place that i'm sailing towards because i'm only three weeks in and i'm feeling overwhelmed overwhelmed because i have test anxiety. I was like unsure. We're gonna fail everything. I'm gonna get kicked out tomorrow. Plus i guess into the principal's office the second week so Anyway now what are you talking with me a brief pause but go ahead with your so. I'm just like very excited to be here. In general and taking a day to day. I looked at my schedule. I'm like okay. I'll be done with anatomy at the end of this year. I just have to get through this year. That is something to celebrate. Yeah you're not alone with that new york alone because like an election day in our professor would is quizzing us right and it's like oh this is when people are answering around me. Those anatomy three times and undergrads. We call the nurse I can add me twice. So i should those people but i'm still sitting on two different the different level of of of terms. Though i mean really is. I don't know. I didn't take undergraduate anatomy so i don't have any idea just took anatomy in vet school and it's like learning a new language so it's it's a lot it's a lot. Yeah but even from idaho undergrad. But you didn't even from undergrad to vet school. I mean half the differential little you have to know so much more and be more so much more precise more precise language yeah. That's you know. in undergrad. It was like here's a scapula. Oh here's the this little this little this little depression this little ridge next to that. Depression which is passed the bump. That's a yeah all the to veracity. That's just a made up word to veracity talking to process which ones which i don't know the the group i'm like. Oh yes Guitar so let's move on to a different topic because that is like too much like the principals officers having anxiety. Right see right. hand flashback. Yeah okay well One thing that i can Go ahead and share with all of our listeners. That we're excited about is that we are going to start having a recurring segment in the podcast. And it will be every episode. But it'll be with some frequency and it is going to be a short thoughts from vet school and it's gonna be vs view from vet school our love it great. So we'll get that little infusion of enthusiasm optimism in you'll sarcasm about the road. The road do becoming a professional veterinarian. And i think. I think we'll all i know. Jay dr jason arrogant enjoy it immensely and i put owners well. Because i don't know gosh veronica you you spend a lot of time. In practice. argument. Pensioners i people are always when they get a second to ask and they think that you know that that they can ask. They wanna know about that school everything every they really do. They're very they're very interested. It's a very interesting thing. If you've not run the outside looking in or you're thinking about going or whatever they wanna know kind of what happened so this is going to be awesome segment for that awesome well and i think i think it's very a thing to throw out there. Some statistics that i learned in my pursuit of this which we are not me not me you you are like point. Zero zero one percent of the united states are veterinarians. There are only seventy five thousand practicing that marion's in the united states. One hundred twenty licensed veterinarians now crazy by the way higher. I know we a almost all of you in the entire united states in our football stadium at mississippi state. Wow we can get sixty five thousand people in there. That's mind-blowing blowing to me. Okay like all of us. A one. Half a and m. stadium right. We are stunned. We are currently stunned friends. I didn't realize those numbers. Yeah so and then the profession is declining. people are leaving the profession more than coming into the profession. So i mean that's amazing like All that to me is is incredible because this is what. I've always wanted to do and like us all the time. Dr jen like this. It's a great data to work. I can't that's the reason why doing this like myself. I'm a gun forty years old. And if i'm gonna have to work for twenty five more years i want to love what i do and this is the only thing that i loved going to work everyday bad days. You'd be like oh man i to deal with that clients. Giving me problems are owed practice manager makes you wanna kill myself but there are days resting the days. It's like man this is this is awesome. I love doing what i do so yeah day after day after day of that bad days so yeah well that's That's wonderful well. So i mean that is the perspective that we are going to look forward to hearing Little little snippets of as you move through and it doesn't always have to be like we want realistic stuff right. We want realistic stuff. Doesn't always have to be like you know super positive optimistic etc we want the real wanna real and raw I try to get less raw because you guys know that My language can get a lot of hand and this is a pg thing so. I've been very impressed so far. By the way. I have my finger on the beat but i can have anything ready ready. I think i think we decided. I think we decided it might be so much and so consistent it was going to have to be a post up production. Well no no no no use. We had to. We have to find the button for Isaiah in our cryptocurrency and bitcoin episode Yeah solicitors friends. If you haven't gone to listen to that one. Yeah go check it out. We had to bleep the financial analyst. That's see. I was going to be a smart and say some delegates day. 'cause that's evan stressful. But not his. He's not the way he does it. He is not distressed at all. It usually it when you're talking about something other than bitcoin. Yes then he had yeah. We had other cryptocurrency his label. His label coins Yeah so okay good well. I'm looking forward to this. I think that's probably as much of your study time that we can steal today Before you have to get back to it. Unless dr jason unless you have another burning question about do still. I got my tire situation in. Because i didn't know. And i i didn't know what they were doing and it's important right because he's got the youngsters had had addressed properly in and be professional for sure that's right that's right Like the do you have anything. Do you wanna tease anything for upcoming stuff or anything else. You want to let the chatterbox. No no i mean like i kinda thought a little bit about what to talk about So i kinda wanna do a little bit on lake. Make sure it's what you wanna do. Kind of thing like how hard it is to get it in. And how much did it takes thing. But we'll see we'll see i. I'm i'm sure something will come up. Can they send you questions your show. Okay so yeah so folks so you can drop a question you can send it to at chatfield show dot com will put the email address in the show notes. Don't worry don't drive off the road if you're in your car remain calm But yeah you can into question if you want. You can send encouragement Were you would like as well but yes so. We're going to look forward to checking in every so often Other than that. Thanks so much for taking time today to chat with us out of studying. Thank you guys. This is awesome awesome chaffee. Okay all right. Well i'm dr jen jason and you on the next episode. This episode is sponsored by full bucket. Veterinary strengths supplements use. Promo code chatfield fields. Three twenty percent off your first order from pole pocket veterinary strength supplements.
"Listen to What Your Kids Are Saying"
"As a human rights activist, my work is driven by the desire to implement a positive change in our societies that advocate for the marginalized as a woman and an intersectional feminist I know firsthand that our societal structures still lack the adequate means of protection, liberation and equality for women as a mom of two dodgers I. Often think about the table was that awaits my dodgers as they went out to discover who they are and who the want to be. Will it give them the same opportunities as their white male counterparts? Will it impress them with all their flaws? Will it celebrate the womanhood as strength on Willett. Weaponize it against them. These are the questions that I constantly struggle with and think about. But I find myself equally inspired by the women who bring these same consents to the public sphere. These are the women who disrupt spaces that would never meant to include them. The women who checked galls for being passive and instead chose to use their voices to champion for our continuous liberation. These women remind me that we have come a long way, but there is still more to be done. It gives me great hope to know that among them. My daughters and I I in good company. I guess she is one of these amazing women. She's an artist to use his work to shed light on critical social issues and celebrate the women who had leading them last year. She compiled these portraits to on a fifty inspirational. Any women from various walks of life in a book titled Barca Stan For Women, these welcome me apathy. I didn't realize it at the moment, but I can't recall some comments here and there where I was supposed to feel in here just because I'm a girl in bacchus on, and I never felt like that in the woman never thought that it's about gender I thought it's just about an individual. You know maybe that person sees me as a new two year, but now that think about now. When my brain kind of connects connects those dots. I can see that. It was Saturday about gender. Somalia I would start with your book by Stanford. Women which was published almost a year ago and then you took it on the road now that it's been a year. How do you feel? So. It doesn't feel like it's over a year I see and Oh actually thank you so much for having me on your podcast I. Thank You I! A how we were answering the question, and then it doesn't feel like that. It has been a year because yeah, it's just. It's constant adventure with the book because like I, get messages from people. Who have read the book who have heard about it and I just feel really happy every time I see. Any comment related to the book or a message, sometimes young girls day take our time to ride messages to your emails to me. They're so happy to see representation. You Know Brown girls like them were presented in the in a book. Laibach is on for women, so absolutely feel so happy about it. Would it any surprises along the way? Did you discover anything that you weren't expecting? You would discover about women in Pakistan so I grew up in Pakistan, so I never kind of took Pakistan for you know I didn't take. The media's word footed even when I moved out of Pakistan so I already knew my country pretty well. You know I was born and raised there. But honestly I didn't know about. Some of the communities within buckets undergoes bugs on is very diverse country. We have people from all different backgrounds so I was really happy to learn about different people from different backgrounds, but at the same time some of those people they were mistreated by the majority because they're a minority in bacchus on so that was kind of quite disturbing to me because do not see that there's entire side of bucks on that I wasn't that aware off and. I also was happy to see that. How these minorities stood up against any injustice that this? Of course it wasn't easy. Because when you're a minority or when you think that your week, you know it's not always easy to take a stand, but I'm really happy to discover stories where women like vehicle stood up against violence and just unfairness, a system that was designed as so modern-day slavery against people like her, and she scapegoated, and an amazing surprised that I. You know when I was researching story of beautifully. She went to the police I and the police didn't help, but then she was directed towards the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan and Osma John Jude. WHO's another woman in my book and she's A. She was a human rights activist and I am a human rights lawyer. She was the one who co-founded the Human Rights Commission in Pakistan. So it's incredible. What a what one woman dead and it held another woman and that woman was. was able to help other people in her community, so it's incredible like how our stories connect to one another, but were there was a lot. I didn't know there was a lot. I learned through this entire project. Somalia also want to talk about what you think about. What's going on around the globe right now and I want to mention specific post that I saw on instagram. Yard instagram recently, which is getting a lot of attention. In that boost you basically. Talk about racism versus color, ISM and I want to bring this up because you've mentioned how minorities are treated how people are discriminated against, and I think this is a good segue into that post I I want you to talk a little bit about the post itself before we do a deep dive in it, and what triggered you to create that boost on instagram? So the post it? It was something that was on my mind for for I would say several weeks now, because since we have we have this. Huge conversation around the globe going on about racial injustice in and police brutality. Specially against the black community during this time I saw tweets and facebook posts, and just in general conversations from people from my community from the Pakistani community from Indian community from a from Bangladesh like all South Asian. People Very South Asian people and I saw that how they were sharing Aboud. Their experiences all feeling they fell that they were discriminated against because of the color of their skin. That is horrible. Color ISM is horrible, but the experiences they were talking about was old girl at school called me dark and now she's posting about black lives matter. When I was in that grade teacher called me dark or A relative of mine called me that oil should use a fairness cream, or like these things exist mb there, absolutely devastating and they're discussing tourism. Is You know it? It should not be air acceptable at all, but I at the same time I just felt like that. What you're talking about about your experiences while that's horrible what you went through? It does not compare to what black people in America or black people around the world. are going through because it's not limited to their the color of their skin, because within the black community as well, we have people who are a lighter skin. The obviously skin tones vary, so it's not limited. Racism is not limited to the skin tone. It's it's it's. Racism is connected to the roots of those people, so it's not. It's not that if a person is super dark. That's why they're going through racism people in America a black people. In America they're going to raise them because they are Africans. They're African Americans, and their history it just. There's a system designed against them. Of course there, there is designed against People of color other people of color as well but. What black people go through in America. We cannot just say that we understand that as brown people just because our skin tone is You know, Brown, or dark brown or you know we just I just felt like that. It's Kinda watering down wide what we're talking about any distracting from the conversation that so many of us are trying to have if I understand that some people want to be a part of the conversation, but I think the best way to do that is to listen if you are nausea, robot, something just listening to. Other other people in the community of read about watch documentaries on it I would recommend watching thirteen by able to rene the. It's an amazing documentary. It's absolutely heartbreaking, but it's amazing because it teaches like it opens up your eyes to a very unfair system. So that's that's what was in my mind when I was creating art piece, and it was just something that I. Just I just thought that had to be said and I use my part from to say. That's a great point that you're making me. Have because you are drawing a clear distinction. Distinction between Anti Black Racism and color ISM. However color ISM builds on racism right? It is obviously not as crucial to talk about right now. especially with this renewed commitment to fighting against racial injustices specially in America and systemic racism that we've seen that has been specifically targeted at the black community, but at the same time. Don't you think it's important to have these conversations in parallel? Because most of the time, especially with migrant populations are bias, probably stems from colored resum color is that we've experienced in our countries and how our brains have been trained. To be more receptive to whiteness and to try to simulate. In white culture or adopt white culture more races how we are towards the black community. So how do we do that? How do we? Make sure that we are not taking away from a very important conversation, but at the same time we have these conversations about galleries him. Because honestly South Asians have not had these conversations in the past, and it's a watershed moment in a way where they are realizing how color ISM impacts are inherent biases so I absolutely do not think that we need to have A. A parallel conversation where on one side we are talking about where we're talking about colors them racism side by side. I think there's plenty of time to talk about color ISM right now. We have a conversation going on about braces them, and we should specially resume against black people and we're talking about black lives, so we need to talk and focus on that because. A very obvious thing is that it's not that easy to get people talking about something something. That triggered does because black people have died even before Mr Floyd so before that unfortunate murder off Mr Floyd, but this was a trigger that was an en-. There have been protests in deposits about other innocent black lives where they were taken away by this. What we're seeing right now. We need to keep it going. We cannot get distracted. It is obviously is not as bad as saying all lives matter when someone's as black lives matter, but I think talking about color ISM right now. I think we are South Asians as Brian, people we need to stand next to our boat, brothers and sisters because. If we if you start talking about Oh, if like, imagine a conversation where there's a black person sitting and there is a brown person sitting end black person is saying. You know fear for my life because I'm black and I've seen so many black people die my community, and in the barren person seeing yet I totally understand where you're going through because I felt really sad because this one auntie cold. Dark, Brown and she discriminated against. She said I'm not as pretty like these conversations. It just seems really. Of course it's not limited to like you know just your looks a you're discriminated against. Based on skin color on a lot of levels, but I just think that right now. They're more than there better ways to be a part of the conversation I think a better way to have. This conversation is once. We take care of some things within the Black Lives Matter Movement for example we get some. We keep the pressure going a we help change some laws we help. Bring justice to a lot of. Campaigns that are going on right now and. Once we do that then we can talk about. Maybe it could be a domino effect. We don't know we don't know what what justice will bring. Maybe just will bring more than justice. You know we can. Maybe it'll be a domino effect where once we get rid of so many things. Within. Within this racist system If you bring those things down, maybe color, ISM won't even exist. You know I completely agree with you that weekend. Not Equate discrimination based on somebody's skin color in a predominantly brown population do anti black racism which is systemic, which has been going on for centuries, which is much more deep-rooted, it is much more vicious. There is no way we can compare the two. What I meant was colored them in terms of our complicity in perpetuating. And I black racism awed at least being silent about it, if not perpetuating being silent about it because sometimes. Opinions are informed by how we perceive color as South Asians how we perceive color, so it's more holding ourselves accountable for our silence. Our maybe are lukewarm response to anti black racism, so I think if I'm understanding your question, right I think that definitely rose started within a from our own people, because in South Asian countries. We have Indians and Pakistanis who are and rebutted issue. Who are from you know who their ancestors came from Africa and now there are. There are generations later they're. They're Pakistanis they're living in Pakistan and they're born. Bucks on the you know. They're spending their life in South Asian countries including Fox India in Bangladesh. Of course, there are mistreated over there because they're a minority. and. I think that's a conversation. We need to have been like our own community. I think that's how we can tackle it. I think if we see someone making any firstly, there should be zero tolerance about racism like. We should not be racist anymore. Lega shouldn't be. It shouldn't be that. The bar shouldn't be that low. It shouldn't be yeah I've never made a racist comment I never I don't see color. See Raise I. Don't hear you know whatever. I don't contribute to those conversations. That's not enough anymore. You need to be anti racist and. To do that. I think the first thing It's like with anything you want to contribute to global warming. You start with yourself if you will not contribute to. Racial conversations you WANNA. Bring just as you start with yourself. you start with correcting yourself. You started with correcting your circle your family and then you go from there than you than you know you contribute in more like other. Is there so many resources out there to help? through which you can help. different causes so think it's definitely a conversation that that we need to have within our community I and it's a it's it. The the color is complex in in South Asia. It's so. It's. It's so deep in our culture that sometimes we don't even realize it. I didn't realize how big of a problem distance until very recent he until several years ago. even though I have seen people comment about Oh. That girl is so dark. Oh, this girl, She has a really white skinned, so she looks prettier these kinds of things, even against boys. So it's not limited to just girl these kind of things. They of course. Damage a person. More than one ways, and so for example I was just thinking about this for example. If we are sitting on a on a let's say we families are gathered up like all different. Families are gathering and gorgeous having dinner conversation. You know like how if if let's say I were to see a cuss word there, right? Every all uncles in the audience would be on my God. How can you see that word? Children's specially. How dare you say that why why would have this week? Because it teaches bad manners right, but very openly does the same uncles nineties we'll have a conversation with that. person is so black. Older person is from that country or that person. Is You know like oh? That's an Arab even though. Brown. Oh, that's like a a you know like these kind of like from a just just. Just commenting about people's differences and thinking that you're better than that, but then you you are, nobody will say to them that. Hey, that's teaching. That's worse than cuss word. Because a cuss word is just a cuss word. It's not a racial slur, or it's not a you know. Discrimination against someone is just a word. Even, though I'm not saying I'm not advocating for you. Know like cussing at the dinner table when you're families are. Advocating for the I'm trying to say is that there are worse than people say. It doesn't sound bad right there in in that moment, but it is bad if if a child is there and if he's listening if he or she is listening to what that uncle is saying about a black person or our person or a person from another country any anyone make what they're going to grow up on those values. They're gonNA. Grow up listening to those stereotypes, so stereotypes or insults against another race I think. We need to really monitor these things. That's absolutely right and I. completely agree with you that we have to have these conversations within the confines of our homes. I see how we have been complicit. This is what I've been trying to do how we've been complicit, either in silenced are not being as Woeckel, and not speaking up as much against Anti. Black Racism and I'm glad that so many people and communities are coming together and forming ally ship with the black community which is so important. Let Spirit a little I grew up in Pakistan. And you describe your childhood as constant art workshop because your family was very supportive of you and your artistry, which is Great I see that with my father as well My my Abu has always been. Championing for whatever 'cause I've taken up and I'm so blessed, not just my father brother, my husband. It's like I've been surrounded by men who always supported me. which is a great thing coming from A- Patriarchal Society. Many people don't realize how big a deal it can be. But me, how did comparing your experiences to others? Shape Yard understanding of women's rights in Pakistan. Because what you have, the kind of rights that you were able to realize as you mentioned in the beginning, many women got so, how did that inform your work so I'm still learning and growing as a person and every day. Learn something You know it's about checking your own privileged, so you ask that. How do I kinda? Understand that war, Meyer rights and wall like how do I compare that to like women who maybe didn't have the same rights or So I. Think it's about checking your privilege and then holding the other person's hand that you think is unable to voice their. Concerns or is unable to stand up for themselves. I think it's very important not to speak on their behalf, but just give them the kind of moral support so growing up. I didn't honestly realize these things because it was never. You know it's interesting. I didn't obviously like said. I didn't realize it at that moment, but I can't recall some comments here and there where I was supposed to feel inferior. Just because I'm a girl in Pakistan and I never felt like that woman. I never thought that it's about gender thought it's just about an individual. You know it may be that person sees me as a two year, but now that I think about it now. When my brain kind of connects connects those thoughts I could see that it was definitely about gender and in a similar way now that the world is becoming a more you know, aware all the injustices that go around it within Buckeyes. Well, we have campaigns like audit March and we still have a really long wait. To Ours, March it was so I often because of the first or at March there was signed curl was holding, and she said up of could get him. Go warm up your own food. And she was dragged through the mud on social media she. She was just a medium for several months. And when the next our march came around, those trolls took God the scene. Mean and then there'd be posted. and they were all so the women are GonNa say these kinds of things because they thought that it's such a petty issue, but for that girl. Maybe that's the biggest issue. Maybe she's trying to study and she's constantly. Constantly being clogged the kitchen to warm up the food. Maybe she's trying to have a job, but she was storing, nor you're supposed to stay at home and stay in the kitchen, and maybe she was trying to. You know we don't anyone's backstory. Maybe Dow was her biggest issue, and that's what empowerment is to her that you know if she doesn't have to do other people's stores. If, she doesn't have to constantly do like other people's work if she can't have that independence or that space or not freedom. So I think. definitely it's a matter of checking your privilege. I may be in a provision are different way than other Pakistani girls and I think I really need to check my privilege I need to see what I have. What others don't have not in a in comparison kind of way, not in a way where I'm kind of old I have so much. The others have sold not not like that more leg how I can help others in my community and. Extend that hand off support so that they can raise their voice like I, said before. It's not about speaking on someone else's behalf. It's about just making sure they're in a safe space where they feel safe enough to raise their own voice and raise their own because women like women have always had alois death always had power. It was just about anybody listening to them. You know for for a while. Nobody listened to the nobody paid attention to what they were saying. It look. We have had fierce women. Since forever, so it's definitely about checking our own privilege and also striking this balance between empowered women in Pakistan, and those who are not because what I really like about your book is that it debunks that one dimensional perspective on Tanny our Muslim women in the West most of the time women are seen as oppressed, but your book basically is presenting accounting additive that the women out there who ought empowered maybe through their struggles. And they are showing ally ship to other women. Let's talk about your generation generation Z. so you guys are reimagining feminism and human rights advocacy and I'm loving it. Oh, what do you think previous generations can learn from your generation? Before adds her that I'm actually the oldest one of JEN's Z. So. From Ninety, nine thousand, hundred, Ninety five, so I'm like November nineteen, ninety five, so yeah I literally like have to explain that because I'm kind of like in the middle of sales and. Yeah just at the beginning of Z.. I think generation Z. The. They have a very different way of thinking and. One thing was social media has been around for a while, but how Gen Z. Data just won't have any filter you know if if I recall the kind of. Child was like Pakistan I would totally be seen as a total, but the disrespectful kid, but if you take me out of Pakistan and you put me in a UK school, setting or a an American school setting I was seen as mature and straightforward, so there's a huge difference in how we see things within like different cultures. And generations the thing they're very good at other social media has made a very safe speeds for them to say something, because sometimes it can be intimidating to sit in front of people so when you're talking to a camera, and you don't know who's on the other side receiving the message I think that's very easy. THAT CAN BE A. Blessing, but at the same time we need to be very responsible with social media. Because there's tools online as well so we can all be someone who spreads hate, or you know spreads negative, but yeah, I think social media has. Things like ticked off for example a few days ago with the trump for a rally in Tulsa. Yeah I was just laughing so hard. Seeing all those take talks where people were like reserving all the different teenagers who are reserving tickets. For the Tulsa, they had no plans of going and they were just using such funny names like popstars than different singers jost. Yeah, budget, cuss words as well so is just amazing. How did see things they don't? They take things very seriously, but how they approach a problem is very. It's very admirable honestly, and I think well the previous generation of what they can. Learn is they can learn to listen I grew up listening to this thing. Oh, you are not old enough. You're not your little girl. You know There were a lot of people who said that to me, but I'm sure there are other Pakistan girls who weren't allowed to say. And they were just told Oh you're you're either a girl and you can see that or you are a little girl. You can't. You unites like so many. So, I think what? What the previous generations can do is. Have a collaborative mindset. Listen listen to what your kids or you were younger siblings, or you know like what they're saying. Just listening to them. They're seeing it won't take a lot of your time. You don't have to agree with them, but just listen to what the because. It's a very fresh mindset. They are I think a lot of. The world is progressing because of a lot of. Social media is part of back and they yeah. Jesse's all over social media so I think listen. Is what I would say for the previous generation, and be a bit more collaborative towards like have a collaborative approach Somalia in terms of the idea of respect, and you and I both come from Pakistan different generations, but we are both from his. This idea of respect is app the heart of what a family stands for, because by nine is a collectivist society, and in order to preserve that structure societal structure. It's important that there is some hierarchical motion of how you'd expect your parents and your elders, and we see that in other East like even in eastern cultures as well. How do you Sink Generation Z. is redefining that because growing up? I, although I am from a different generation I used to argue with my dad, and despite my dad being so. Educated and liberal, sometimes, it was not easy for him to reconcile with the idea that I would just question him on things now it's different. How do you think generation Z. is redefining that in terms of how to respect your parents and elders I think that's a huge credited. That goes to the parents as well because like you said died, your father was. It was difficult for him sometimes to you know being an educated person himself, but it was sometimes difficult for him to like. Geno when you used to counter him or so I can totally relate to that because my father has always had an open door policy where. I was never one stopped to voice my opinion, so I think credit goes to the parents as well rare there are there are there as there completing their responsibilities as a parent there doing everything to you know what a good pairing does, but at the same time Obviously, this doesn't go for all all parents races like only a few good ones. Because you have laid some, yes, some some cases over there as well, but yeah I think it's all about giving that confidence to your child that okay, it's okay to say something because if it's okay to say something at your home, which is supposed to be the safest place. It's okay to say something out there, so you're able to stand up for yourself as well. A generation see has been given that confidence from their parents and I think a see those families law happier as well they they are so much more closer than with their with their parents. Then you know just treating their is their father's especially like someone not to mess with. With you know like, why is it so serious in the house? It's just a family and he's not a dictator in the house late, so he's a father, but I think it's the father that needs to I. Think a lot of it contributed a lot of it comes from in the previous generation comes from the fact that mother used to be the one at home spending all the time with the kids and father used to be the one working and you know. When he came home, he was all tired and a bit grumpy and all of those things he'd like. These things contribute as well, but of course it's it's an effort from. More from parents sides because kids are. There obviously like when they're younger cannot kind of just have these big conversations that Wyman not long to talk in front of you know is just kind of implied in under becomes a habit, but I think a generations is different because they have that confidence that if I say something and my parents don't agree with it, I wouldn't. I wouldn't get a beating you. Gave, yelled at or you know. The would still respect my opinion, even if they don't agree with me, they would still extend that courtesy that okay your new you've been heard. So. Yeah, let's talk about your odd because I of Sesto I follow you on Instagram and the best thing about your art is. It's from all over the world. It started off with Lake Lake Pakistani women and all, but I see so much diversity, and you pick these issues and topics, and then you make them your own, and you express them through your portraits. And you use bright loud colors in your portraits. Is this a conscious autistic decision you made? Is it something that comes to you naturally because you just want it to be more vibrant, thank you so much for your kind words and you know the support so with my. Oldest Very. Aware of that. I need to have diversity and it's always been that way I think even way before then I knew what diversity was on the meaning of this word diversity because my art became super serious when I started. Coming across these major issues are on the world, like in the Middle East, and you know just slama, phobia, or you know a racial issues or just any societal issues or women women's rights, and so when I started coming across an because social media, I came across these things because yet not major is sitting around watching news so when I was a teenager. That's when my art at thirteen fourteen like it started getting super serious for me, and I was learning about these different issues. Through social media, and that's when I thought that I need to do something to contribute. And that's when my heart came in handy, as said okay, like maybe create an art sell died gate, a the money or a concrete art end spread awareness, and you know like these kind of things, but eventually what? Kind of stuck with me was that were all one. And we need to stand up for each other and for ourselves, so that's where that factor of diversity comes in. I just think that cannot out anyone. When it comes to my art, it's not limited to anything. And yes, I have a few causes that are super close to my heart like women's rights, domestic violence violence against women education for children. Especially because Cassini. We have the second. We're the second country where we have the highest rate of kids. Not being you know being educated, so this is something that's close to my heart. But honesty, any kind of injustice like my art is not limited to that. Why colors I think it's kind of light. It's not it's not a conscious decision, but it's kind of like. I'm just so attracted to color so I'm a traveler and when I go somewhere, it inspires me. I haven't traveled in forever. Thanks to quarantine but But yeah, when that inspires me and traveling is something that me and my father we bonded on. That crazy and now that I'm married that something that million. When we love to do together as well so traveling is a very positive part of my life even as a broke student like I try to somehow managed to travel. To Europe yet like within Europe trolleys. Bit Cheaper so yeah! I think that's where the bright colors come in. It's honestly sometimes. Like nobody sees the behind the scenes where So many drawings off the paid of yeah, just like throw so many. Drawings, my cable, just rip them off and Yeah Yeah when when I when I like a final peace is usually big, bright lifelock colors that I like to portray through my pin brushes colors. And why are you studying in the UK? And I was watching one of your interviews where you talk about how when you first moved their artistic speeds provided you solace because you felt lonely, and this is such an. An important point because many many times when we move from our countries, who I where we grew up where we were born to a new country and we adopt that as our home. We are lonely at times. I was very lonely in the beginning, and there is some kind of I would say societal illumination in the beginning. You're just learning. People are learning to share those spaces with you. How was that experience like? And what did your art reflect initially when you moved to you, was it more based on what he would feeling at the time? So, as you said that you know insurance, your experience and I think a lot of immigrants. In grandchildren or Families think they even if they move as a family, I think they can understand that feeling of isolation and just a cultural shock. I guess and Yeah Art became fourteen at the time, and as I said thirteen fourteen became lick super serious And I think I was just I i. remember some of the paintings that I was doing I was working a lot with charcoal at the time. And I think charcoal from you think about charge. Of kind of it to me it's. A very anxious like a charcoal was feeling it would beings -iety yeah for for me, and that's why I guess. Bright colors reflect my mood right now or mental health right now. If you see me use charcoal. Of just understand the damn quick through. A lot of charcoal when I was fourteen and I. Don't exactly remember things I used to paint but I remember the medium and. Remember being in the library, and just having that feeling of constant homesickness. Just. Even though it was a move to another country I'll just kind of like. When is this going to end? And it was never gonna end because yet you moved. What is next for you artistically or academically? Because you are doing your masters right or Ashley I'm doing my Undergrad right now. I'm completing that undergraduate degree. Yeah, and yours in medical neuroscience so okay, so let me rephrase it. Are you your Undergrad? What is next for you artistically Arkady meekly? How big cons and right now I've just finished my final exams for the semester, and I'm done for the summer with unique and with all classes as well so I'm just focusing on. Could cheating some of my our projects. One of them is my next book. which features hundred women of color from thirty different countries? Some very excited about that I'm to share more details about that academically once in I finish my decree, or at least what I'm like. In my last year I WANNA, starting organization that focuses on middle-class, enormity, class, and women, Buck Assan, and women and children, and only within that organization or really WANNA focus on mental health and teaching them a few. Few skills that they can use and maybe translate them into entrepreneurial skills as well and also wanNA share the joy of art with them, because even if you're a housewife in Kasane firstly, you're not appreciated. Your seen as somewhat I. Mean Housewives in general I think stay at home, moms or house housewives. You're just someone sitting at home chilling. Guess but that's not true at all. They have a billion jobs to. To do but at the same time they never the never even think that Maybe I should take this workshop. Yeah, she takes gym class maybe I should take yoga. Class and pokemon focused on ridiculous women lower middle-class. He doesn't occur to them. What self care is so within? The organization also WANNA. Have a section where I wanNA introduce art. I mean accord. They would know what art is, but I wanNA introduce. Introduce our to them as therapy. You know that if you paint, you know how to pain. This is something that you can do for fun. Because that's what was for me. I was super lost I was in my head I was just all chaotic, and that was that was our. Give me a lot of purpose in a time when I didn't especially the teenager. You know like as a teenager, you already A. Messed up in your head. But but yeah, I think that's what I want to their have big transfrom organization, and a you know when a build a team made out of people from my community and I WANNA help people from my community, and in La, I see muscle working really hard on it. And eventually spreading it across the globe as well and you mentioned mental has which is such an important topic and tabooed not just in bags. Don Everywhere so it's very important to talk about mental health. Talk About Self Care People. Think you know. All this is these are fluff woods, and they are not. This is such an important topic to talk about especially in countries like Pakistan, so we have before we end. I was again on Instagram, and I saw that you're accepting commission work. So where can people reach you? What is your? Can you give us some information? So that people who are interested, they can reach out to you directly Yes for sure so they can reach me on Instagram at me as art, so that's. Malaria ally EJ underscored, said underscore a a a RT I forgot the spelling of art. And yet they can reach me out. With the same username on to talk on twitter and my website is just me dot, com, thank you so much this so good and keep doing the wonderful work that you're doing odd for having me on your podcast idea and you're also during such amazing thing, so thank you so much being accused. Thank you for listening twenty story I would be bringing a lot more stuff is season Morton inspiring stories. As for me house work, you check her instagram. We will be posting information about that. And if you have any questions about your work, you can reach out to her. We'll be posting all information about her on on our social media platforms. And I didn't make stain when we come back with another story. Stacey and status.
Susan Orlean (Rebroadcast)
"Hey it's andrew the director of literary arts literary arts. We rely on our community. People like you for support to help make this podcast. And all our programming possible give today literary dash arts dot org forward slash donate welcome to the archive project. I'm andrew procter executive director of literary arts. The archive project is a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers for more than thirty five years of literary arts in portland support for the archive project is provided by cole. Haan cole haan shoes bags and atarot with you. While you work your way to extraordinary more at cole. Haan dot com in this episode. We feature susan orlean while not from oregon. Orleans did get her start here. The nineteen eighties running for the willamette. Week where she cut her teeth as a journalist since then she's got onto publishing eight books. Contribute to a dozen or so more and become a veteran staff writer at another lesser-known weekly called the new yorker orlean belongs to a great tradition of journalistic generalists. Meaning she's made a career writing about everything from origami artists. Show dogs rare. Orchids a library fire and racing pigeons to name only a few of our topics. Orlean matters because she's insatiably curious. Reading her work. Eat saly caught up in our own joyful desire to know more to see what's around the next bend of curiosity the character she introduces their passions and obsessions and explorations of the fascinating tributaries and side roads of her subjects expand the boundaries of each article and book reaching towards questions about our own very humanness. She opened this talk with a hilarious tale from bend oregon back when she was an unknown writer and goes on to explain how she chooses her subjects and she came to write one of her most famous books about a fire at the los angeles public library. Here we find her signature humor and curiosity her desire to understand the motivations and choices of people both famous and not and her willingness to look at the seemingly ordinary and find the extraordinary. Here's orleans thank you so much and welcome to the tenth democratic debate. I don't know if i'm going to be as entertaining as that was. Thank you all so much for being here tonight. You know this is of course really meaningful to me. Because this is where i started my writing career. I had barely published anything. When i moved out here. And through the luck and coincidence and timing and circumstances. I ended up being hired as a writer which actually suggests that they had very few writers here at the time. This is a true story by the way. I'm actually going off script. But when i went to my first interview for this little tiny magazine that was a startup that lasted just one year. I brought my high school yearbook to the interview. Because i had been the editor and that was about as much as i had published not recommended by the way but i guess it worked so i was in bend yesterday and when i was there everybody kept saying to me. Have you ever been here before. And i was thinking you know. I have some weird memory of having been banned during the bend area. And then suddenly i remembered what it was and i dug around a little bit and pulled out a story that i wrote about that particular visit and i thought i would begin this evening by just reading this to you. It's short it was called out of the woods and this ran in the new yorker in two thousand and four. It was an awful house. Broker would have called it a charming swiss chalet. What it should have been called really was a dingy frame. Mud brown damn afflicted with an air of unrelieved gloom. An ad might have claimed that it was nestled in the oregon mountains in fact and add did claim that it was nestled in the oregon mountains but would fail to mention that it was nestled in what was probably the only cramped cluttered suburban subdivision in the oregon mountains. It was probably when we saw a gang of children. Furiously pedalling their bright orange. Big wheels up and down the sidewalk that we realized that this vacation house which we had rented for a four day getaway might not be quite as dreamy sounded. This was the first actual vacation that my boyfriend and i had ever taken together. The first official grown up type of vacation rather than our more usual short-term residences on friends sofas we weren't very old and neither was our relationship and the visit to the mountains was a watershed moment to see what it felt like to have a place of our own. The chevrolet had sounded ideal. It was also inexpensive and since we had only a couple of nickels to rub together. We thought it was quite a find. The inside of the house did seem tolerable granted. worn out weary place with lots of aches and pains floorboards. That complained mattresses that we eased windows. That shrieked when you push them open but it was decent shelter. We walked around opening cupboards and checking behind doors taking inventory bedroom fine bleak little kitchen fine living room fine bathroom. We must have missed it. We walked through the house again. Opening every door a second time then a third there appeared to be no bathroom. Had either of us inquired when we rented when we arrange to rent the house whether it had a bathroom of course we hadn't who would it would have been like asking if the place had say a roof. We glanced out the kitchen window. In a mangy patch of yard. There appeared to be a heap of two by fours which revealed themselves upon investigation to be the remains of an outhouse. That must have been blown down in a storm. There was no writing it. The structure hadn't just toppled it head exploded so the house had once been equipped with a bathroom type facility. Although the fact that it was an outhouse seem like something a broker might have wanted to mention. I had been a pretty good girl scout in my day and my boyfriend had been an avid camper. So the idea of peeing in the woods was not new or discomfiting to either of us however we were not in the woods. We were in a kind of levittown relocated to the lovely oregon mountains. There was no leafy glade nearby there was no private little thicket instead. There was a family just a few yards away in the house next door with a wail of an rv parked in the driveway. Swing set that gave the kitties. Good view of our comings and goings. Furthermore the weather was turning grim. The sky dropping lower the clouds starting to spit a chilly rain all of which are moldy mud brown dream vacation home seem moulder and browner and more bathroom lisp by the minute town was a couple miles away the gas in eater stopping fuel or whatever it was called at the end of the main drag it had bathrooms but it was one of those joints where he had to go into the cashier and ask for key and then go back outside to the bathroom a cold dimly lit concrete-block cubicle truck stop prostitute might have found homey and familiar we were of course not in a position to fuss we made use of the bathroom had dinner in town and then stopped again just to be safe in the morning we through jacket on over our pajamas and made a beeline for the gas station. The rain intermittent the day before had turned apocalyptic. We hold up in the house for the afternoon limiting are liquids. Changing shifts of cashiers. To keep are very frequent visits from being totted up but the cashiers evidently chatted among themselves by the third day racing in seven for our morning constitutional wet coats akimbo over our nightclub. We felt kind of put this exactly not welcome. Even the house had turned against us beating up with wetness on nearly every surface little. Rivulets of rain threading their way across window. Panes walls so much water and none of it running but we were with one more day coming to us we finally gave in. We packed. Her belongings stopped in for one last visit at the gas station and headed home. Now you understand why when everyone kept saying to me. Have you ever been to bend before. There was something unsettling so i wanna talk to you a little bit Generally about the kind of work that means so much to me and then tucks a little specifically about the library book and how it came to fall into my my hands. It's there are two kinds of stories that really ignite my interest. One is the discovery and usually that means the discovery of a world an obsession a subculture an event. Something that i had no idea existed and those kinds of stories are exhilarating. And that's a chance for the writer to see the world for the reader and to go places that the reader might never go or to experience. Subcultures that the reader might never see. And that's what the writers mission is to show the world in a new way and to discover these things that come as a surprise as a refreshing way of looking at the universe. The other kind of story that i love is the story that i think of as hiding in plain sight net is. There's something familiar a place in environmental situation person who it the situation is so familiar that you've never stopped to really look at it and really think about it. How does this work. What are the components here. What's what is this all about. How can i bring a sort of inquisitive. Look to something that feels very familiar and very well-known the effort that is involved in that is to see what is extraordinary in something that's very ordinary and it's a very challenging kind of story. I have to admit the story where you're finding a discovery feels easier to attract reader than a story where you look at something very familiar and say i know this seems familiar but heavy overlooked at it really closely. And i have a bit of a contrarian streak i kind of love those stories. I think the first time that i did a big story like that was some years ago when i was in a supermarket one day and i looked around the supermarket and for the first time i suddenly thought supermarkets are amazing. And how do they work. What how. How do you know what to buy. And what i mean. It just seemed like the most complicated thing i'd ever thought about and it was kind of a hard pitch to my editor. Admittedly i said to him. Oh my god i have. An amazing story idea supermarkets. Lot easier to say. I have an amazing story idea tom cruise so but i find the challenge ceo interesting because the reality is though i spent about six weeks in a supermarket and it was fascinating. It's just a harder story to sell to a reader because of course the reader feels like. How could i find a supermarket interesting so those kinds of stories are extremely challenging. The story of something new is a little easier to attract a reader so what was particularly interesting about the library book. is that it. it really combined both of those qualities. So let me tell you a little bit about how i came to write it because it was not something that i expected that i'd be doing as a matter of fact when i had finished my last book which was about renton ten. I i just decided. I was done writing books. I wasn't done being a writer. But i felt that the commitment of writing a book and the energy it took time it took was maybe not so necessary. And maybe i didn't need to do it anymore and i made me a little wistful but then i thought i'm going to continue writing magazine stories and that's fine and i've made my piece. So that was that one day i was in the library. Doing some sort of research on a story and i had the experience that i had that day in the grocery store where i looked around the library and i thought how do libraries work. How do they function like what what goes on. Every they pick the books. And what do they do with all those overdue fines and i suddenly found myself fascinated by the idea like i've been in libraries millions of times in my life and i've never really stopped and thought about what they're like. I thought wouldn't it be a great book to spend a year in a big city library and just sort of document what the life of a library it's like. And then i thought well but i'm not writing any more books so it's a great book but not for me to put it out of my mind and not long after that. My husband and i moved to la. My son was going into first grade and this was early in the school year. Had just begun was given a homework assignment to interview someone who worked for the city. He came home and he told me about this assignment. And i thought well let me think your five year old boy how about if you interview a garbage collector and he size me up and said how about if i interview a librarian and i thought i'm such a good mother and i said great idea get in the car. Let's go to the library. And we were so new to la that we didn't know where the nearest branch library was. We looked it up and drove over there and as we were heading over there i for the first time in decades thought about going to the library with my mom and the distance to the library that was taking. My son was just about exactly the distance to my childhood branch library. So i thought oh i remember going with my mom to the library all the time and it was a very emotional moment. We got to the studio city branch library and parked and walked in the library in. La doesn't look anything like my childhood library and shaker heights. ohio. But the minute we walked in. I was overwhelmed with a memory of going to the library with my mother. Everything about it. The sound the smell of the place the look of it. It was all so familiar and it really sent me almost like being shot out of a cannon into those memories. It was so powerful. And i thought. Why do we have such potent feelings about libraries. Why is this memory so emotional and so deep and so resonant. I went lots of places with my mom and i don't like go into grocery stores and have a piff anees thinking my god. It's just like going to the grocery store with my mom but this was so particular thought. There is something about libraries. Something about books that is connected much more deeply than i ever imagined. Someone should write a book about that not me. I thought. I'm not writing a book. But i i was struck by that feeling and about the power of that memory so as i said we were newly ensconced in la and the head of the la library foundation asked if i would give a talk to some of their donors and i said yes. I'd be happy to i went. It was at a country club and belair gave my little talk and afterward the head of the foundation came up to me and said as a thank you. He wanted to give me a tour of the downtown library. And i was really excited because i didn't know l. a. headed downtown so i accepted enthusiastically. Met him downtown. A few days later once i could find downtown and menem at the library and i immediately fell in love with the building. Because it's a rather extraordinary piece of architecture. It doesn't look like any library of ever seen nothing like the new york public library or the cleveland public library. It's a very eccentric building. Ferried art deco and sort of egyptian and kind of weird and we walked through the library and he was telling me a million stories about patrons about the various heads of the library and i was just caught up in it thinking. What an exciting history this place has. And what a thrilling kind of story. We got to the fiction department. We stopped in front of the shelves and he pulled a book off the shelf and he held it up. Took a deep whiff of the book. And i thought i'm new to la. I don't know how do i take the same book. Smell it take a different book. what do i do. I sort of stood there awkwardly. And he said you know you can still smell the smoke and some of them i said. Did they use to let people smoke in the library. And he said no. No no smoke from the fire. I said what fire he said. The big fire the fire in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. I said i don't know what you're talking about. He said the big fire. It shut the library down for seven years. And i thought damnit i'm going to have to write a book about this. Let me read a just a tiny bit to you from from the book at first the smoke and the fiction stacks was pale as onion skin then it deep into dove grey then turn black it wound around fiction a through l. curling in lazy ringlets it gathered into soft puffs that bob and bank against the shelves like bumper cars suddenly sharp fingers of flame shot through the smoke and jabbed upward. More flames updated. The heat built the temperature reached four hundred and fifty one degrees in the books began. Smoldering there covers bursts like popcorn pages flared and blackened and then sprang away from their bindings arime of city scraps soaring on the updraft. The fire flash through fiction consuming as it traveled. It reached for the cookbooks. The cookbooks roasted the fire scrambled to the six tier and then to the seventh. Every book in its path bloomed with flame. So let me tell you what i learned because i literally walked out of the library that day and thought i have to write a book about this so this fire took place in april one thousand nine hundred eighty six. It was the largest library fire in the history of the united states until very recently it was the largest structural fire in the history of la. It burned for seven and a half hours and at one point the temperature reached over two thousand degrees so not only were books. Burning but the steel shelving melton when the fire was finally put out at the end of seven and a half hours of burning stock was taken of the damage and it was discovered that four hundred thousand books had been burned and seven hundred thousand were damaged so when i say was the biggest library fire in the history of the us. I'm talking about really epic scale just a few days. After the fire was put out it was determined that the cause of the fire was arson. So there were a million questions that i had who would set a librarian fire and also to begin with had. I never heard about this. I mean i was puzzled. First question was how did i not hear about this. I was living in new york in one thousand nine hundred six. But i still thought this is a really major event. New york is the center of the publishing world. You would think there would have been coverage in new york of a fire like that. So the first thing i did when i got home was look up the new york times from april twenty nine thousand hundred eighty six to see what could have possibly pushed this news out of my view so the front page comes up on my computer and the headline reads soviets deny meltdown at Noble nuclear plant. So the first mystery was solved. The reason that i hadn't heard of it so many people hadn't heard about this was the fact that it was the same day as Noble there was a story in the new york. Times pushed way back in the front section and it was actually incredibly eerie to look at that front section of the new york times where every single story was about chernobyl and trying to speculate on what was going to happen so who would burn a library. The first thing i wanted to do was find out. Was anyone ever arrested. What happened with the prosecution of suspects and know it was kind of funny when i first proposed this book to my publisher he said. Oh that's great and you'll solve the crime right and you know when you're selling a book you don't say no and i said yeah. Of course i will yeah. It doesn't matter that the entire los angeles fire department devoted years to trying to solve this. I'm going to do it. Never mind the. The story of what happened became absolutely fasten. There was a suspect he was arrested. Why was he arrested because he was telling everyone that he had started. The fire. actually turn out unexpectedly to be a good way for me to learn how to be a good criminal because harry peak. The young man who was arrested for this crime was the most in that criminal. So first thing i learn. Don't tell people that you committed the crime. He also ended up after saying he did. It said he didn't do it. And he had not one. Not two not three not four but seven alibis. So that was. The other thing i learned is have one alibi far stronger. Why would someone burn a library down now. One of the things. That was shocking. For me when i began working on the book was thinking i i'm sure libraries have burnt in the course of history but undoubtedly they have been isolated events. Well not at. All libraries have been burned since they've been built they have been burned throughout history for all sorts of reasons. Libraries are of course uniquely flammable. Unfortunately accidents have resulted in many libraries burning down. And they're open to everybody so there's no barrier to entry the to come on come in and make mischief has always been available but what really interested me was the discovery of how often they're burned to oppress repress and terrorize people in fact it's almost a diagnostic feature of a repressive regime is to burn libraries. The nazis perhaps word the greatest book burners of human history. They celebrated burning books. It's positively chilling to see that. In before the warhead even begun there were community book burning almost celebrations were books were brought and tossed into bonfires and burned because they were usually written by someone who was not aryan during the war. The nazis had a commando squad that had one mission which was to seek out and burn libraries. And it's something that puzzled me because what's the point of burning a library. It's not a great military move but it's deeper than that. It's a way of saying to people. Nothing is safe. Because what do we think of a safe. We think of libraries as safe but more than that it says you will be forgotten because libraries are the memory of a society and you burn a library down. It's the message of saying you'll be forgotten. You won't persist in the memory of mankind and there was a very disturbing quote from a german philosopher. Which which really stuck with me and that is where they burn libraries next. They burn man. Which i think tells you everything. It's but for me. What was really interesting and really resonant was an brought me back to my original attraction to doing this book which is there is a unique relationship that we have two books. There's something that feels almost human. It's it's illogical. Books are paper and glue and and in the modern era we can print millions of them early but they feel almost human. I actually wanted to test this theory. Because i often have books sent to me that i have no interest in no offense. If you've sent me your book. And i have these books and i have them in a pile and i look at them and i think i will never read this book. I should put it out of its misery. Get rid of it. And i've i'm sure you've all done this. I take the book. I walked to the trash. I hold it. And i put it back. I can't do it. i even a book. That's falling apart. I have trouble throwing in a way. There is some way that we feel connected to books. That's that's really it. It's not logical. It's not rational but been a feature of human experience since we first began writing. Milton said that books contain the possibility of life. I think there's some truth to that. There's a way that book feels like. Who could almost be alive. So i wanted to kind of challenge that that idea and i thought well. I'm writing a book about four hundred thousand books that burned up. And i've never seen a book burn so i'm going to burn a book. I thought it would you know research. I also thought. I'm kind of curious. I mean i can't even throw out books that i have no interest in. Can i burn a book i thought. Of course i can. Don't be silly. I made the decision going to do it. I thought all right now have to pick the book. I'm going to burn. I went over to my bookshelf. And i thought well i'm going to burn a book i don't like and then i thought that so mean i don't wanna do that. I'll burn book. I like and i thought. Why would i burn a book i like. I thought i'll burn one of my books. And i thought well i'm not going to burn my books and i thought you know what this is silly. But i can't do it. I can't do it. I'm not going to do this. This is ridiculous. I told my husband's good idea. But i just can't do it shortly. After that he came home one day and he was just grinning ear and he said i found the book for you to burn and he handed me a copy of fahrenheit four fifty one and i burned it by the way just coincidentally and this became so almost spooky Ray bradbury who of course wrote fahrenheit four fifty one. I didn't even know. Here is a book about a society in which books are banned. Books that are found are burned. I found out later. That ray bradbury. Who couldn't afford going to college had spent his fourteen years after high school going to the library every day reading his way through the library. And that is how he got educated and when the library burned he got very involved in helping raise money to replace the books and to restore the books that were damaged. Just as an aside. I've so many things to tell you now. I'm getting panicky. This just fascinated me The building in the fire was damaged but was in relatively good shape after the fire. The the real damage was the books. This massive number books that were destroyed. The city had insurance on the building and not on the books. And that's actually not uncommon. Also they had no sprinkler system and up until nineteen eighty-six the american library association recommended against sprinkler systems because the fear was that water was more damaging for books than than a fire might be the day of the fire first of all. Shortly before the fire the ama had reversed its position on sprinkler systems. So the day of the fire in la. The fire department was their consulting with the library. Staff about where to put sprinklers was it was incredible so i was working on the book and it was really interesting to be a writer writing a book about books and particularly a writer who had questioned the value of books or rather the need for me to write another book to be writing a book that was all about the profound enduring value of books and and it was a continual theme in the work. That i was doing now was almost uncanny that i was sort of confronting myself at every. Turn which made it a really interesting project. While i was working on the book i came across an expression that i didn't really understand but i thought it was interesting and i wrote it on an index card hung it over my desk and the expression was from senegal and their when someone dies. They say his or her library has burned. I thought it was a beautiful but puzzling expression. I couldn't understand how you could equate. Someone's death with the image of a library burning. But the more i thought about it the more it actually gave a real full understanding of what this book all about as unfortunate as this is my while i was working on the book and i had of course one of the first people. I told that i was working on. The book was my mother because she was the one who filled me with this love of libraries and she was delighted and soon after i began working on it. She was diagnosed with dementia. Every time i saw her there would be more and more missing from her memory and it was as i was seeing a library burning these volumes disappearing one after another and in the same way when a community loses a library. It's as if the communities shared mind has been erased all of the knowledge fantasies stories. Memories information of a community disappears when a library burns so that that statement which i puzzled me so much became really the defining thematic core of the book. The this idea this intimate relationship that we have with books and with libraries is. It's not logical. It's not rational but it's profound and it's real and we feel it. I said to somebody. I would never have done this book if it had been that city hall had burned down. Actually it had been the dmv. I would've because that's not what it's about and obviously it's an i've had some librarian. Say to me you know. Your book is like a horror novel. And i feel like yeah. It is actually one of the things that i loved as work in. This book was as i said. Part of my attraction to the story was both the dramatic event of this fire. Which is something. I knew nothing about but it was also discovering a new relationship to a place that felt so familiar to a library to be doing that kind of writing as well so i spent many many days in the library just spending time in every section being a fly on the wall seeing who came in what they were looking for and learning the history of of the library and that was fascinating. I never imagine that. I would delve as deeply into the history of it but the people who work in libraries are in many instances unusual and the people who live in la and many instances are quite unusual. And so you have this ven diagram of the people who work in libraries in l. a. Being extremely unusual and the history of the la library was populated with some of the more interesting people. I've ever written about. I'll i'll just tell you a little bit about my favorite of these characters. Who is a man named charles lumps. Who ran the library at the turn of the century and he was really a singular person. He had been a journalist in cincinnati and then was hired by the los angeles times in eighteen ninety five he accepted. The job packed his belongings and then walked from cincinnati to l. a. As one does and when he took over the library he he he really wanted people to better themselves through through their time at the library and he he couldn't stand it when people read books that he thought were stupid so rather. He didn't believe in censorship so rather than taking those books off the shelf. He had a branding. Iron made the skull a skull and crossbones and he branded the books that he thought were really stupid and then put a bookmark in saying there are far better books on the subject and i mean he. There was a moment to be honest where i was so fascinated by the sky that i consider just leaving the library behind and writing about him because he was he was just an incredible figure he he was. He had many many faults among them the fact that he was wildly unfaithful to his wife and he had dozens of affairs and for some weird reason. He kept a journal documenting. All of his assignations kept it in his bedroom. But then i guess he thought well in order to keep it from his wife's prying eyes. He would write the journal in spanish but she was fluent in spanish. So i want to one of the things that i truly loved was and this is the thing that was just so thrilling and exciting to to sort of dive into this world that i had thought i had known so well but i didn't know anything i mean. I was a library user. But i knew nothing about the way libraries were or what what they're like day after day and one of the things i loved. The most was the absolute randomness of what people come to the library for. I mean you couldn't begin to guess what someone was in the library looking for. And i loved sitting at the checkout counter often seeing some would come up with a book and i would think i can't believe someone ever wrote that book and then i would look at the person checking it out and think. Oh i can't believe they found each other like this really weird buck and this weird person. And now they're together and that's fabulous and one of the most enjoyable parts of it for me was sitting in where the reference librarians are in. Just listening to the phone calls. That would come in because you can't help but think why is someone right now wondering how long a can of baked beans is good for someone was wondering that right then and it filled me with this glee the universes so random and fabulous so one day. I had this incredible discovery. Which was i had thought i was done with all my research. I was kinda hoping i was done with all my research and the rare book librarian said to me. Did you ever look in the corner of that room in the back. Because i think there's some more boxes back. There might not have seen. And i said well and she said well wait a minute. Let me let me go. Get him back and i thought god i don't want to do anymore research. But she probably just has like one small box and she came out. There was a clerk with her. Who was hauling a cart and she said. Oh yeah they're seventy six boxes back there. So i just want to read you very quickly. One of the things i found in those boxes were the logs that the reference librarians kept and they would write down the questions that people would call them with and to tell you the truth. There was a moment where i thought i should just publish these logs. They're amazing so. I just wanna read these are from the mid sixties and these were called in by actual humans to the reference desk at the library. Patron call wanted to know how to say. The necktie is in the bath in swedish. Patron call asking for a book on liver disorders for her husband was a heavy drinker. Patron call asking whether it is necessary to rise. If national anthem is played on radio or television explain that one need only. Do what is natural and unforced for instance one does not rise while bathing eating or playing cards and this i kind of love patron enquiring whether perry mason secretary della street is named after a street and or whether there is a real street name della street you can see why i wanted to publish a book of those before we and i i really have enjoyed the so much and i wish i had another hour because there's just so much that i'd love to share with you but i just wanna read from the end of the book which i think finally will tell you how this experience brought me back to the appreciation of what is so special and so enduring about our relationship with books. I went to the library late one day just before closing time when the light outside was already dusky and the place was sleepy and slow. The library is so big that when the crowds thin out it can feel very private almost like a secret place and the space so enveloping that you have no sense of the world outside. I went down to the history department. And then i roam from department to department just strolling through and crossed the beautiful rotunda a gorgeous surprise every time i entered at and then went up the wide lap of the back staircase. The silence was more soothing than solemn. A library is a good place to soften solitude a place where you feel part of a conversation that has gone on for hundreds and hundreds of years. Even when you're all alone. The library is a whispering post. You don't need to take a book off the shelf to know. There is a voice inside that is waiting to speak to you and behind. That was someone who truly believe that if he or she spoke someone would listen it. Was that affirmation. That always amazed me. Even the oddest most particular book was written with that kind of courage. The writers believe that someone would find his or her book. Important to read. I was struck by how precious and foolish and brave that belief is and how necessary and how full of hope it is to collect these books and preserve them. It declares that all these stories matter and so does every effort to create something that connects us to one another and to pass. And what is still tecom. I realized that this entire time learning about the library. I had been convincing myself that my hope to tell a long lasting story to create something that endured to be alive somehow as long as someone would read. My books was what drove me on story after story. It was my lifeline. My passion my way to understand who i was. I thought about my mother who died. When i was halfway done with this book and i knew how plea she would have been to see me in the library and i was able to use that thought to transport myself for a split second to a time when i was young and she was in the moment alert and tender with years ahead of her and she was beaming at me as i titled the checkout counter with an armload of books. I knew that if we come here together to this enchanted place with all the stories in the world for us to have she would have reminded me just about now if she could have chosen any profession in the world she would have been a librarian. I looked around the room. At the few people scattered here and there some were leaning into books and a few were just resting having a private moment in a public place and i felt buoyed by being here. This is why. I wanted to write this book to tell about place i love. That doesn't belong to me but feels like it is mine and how that feels marvelous and exceptional all the things that are wrong in the world seem conquered by a library simple unspoken. Promise here i am. Please tell me your story. Here's my story. Please listen thank you. Thank you so much that susan orlean from portland. Lectures twenty twenty. This has been literary arts the archive project. It's a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers for more than thirty five years of literary arts in portland. Join us next time for the archive project literary arts production in collaboration with oregon public broadcasting to hear more from the archive project. Subscribe wherever you get. Your podcasts support for the archive project is provided by cole. Haan on a mission to fuel. Your big ideas more on cole. Haan dot com. 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"Thank you for coming for the last year in secret, we've been building a new football. Armagh and welcome to the new game. In town. We brought together some of the top football experts. And some of the greatest players have ever played the game like Heisman Trophy winners. Doug Flutie and Herschel Walker with a commitment to put high quality top flight football on the field. And the Crown Leasing rolls. The continental football league bring up thrilling random CLYDE going ever growing army of fan. Today, we're going to announce an incredible television partner. We're football league is bringing you new dimension excitement in pro football movie there to bring it to you on TV s. But I wanna back up a little bit and talk about what we all America loves football. Only one step in matters of the XFL much of your heart. Did you leave on that field? So why is there only one league in the last quarter century? Nobody is put real football by real football people on a field in the offseason a continental football league in the world. XFL we formed the alliance of American football answer that question. The alliance American football is not the first to try and set up a second football league in the past half century. The alliance is the challenger to the NFL's thrown roughly every ten years. An upstart takes a shot at winning the football pop February ninth twenty nineteen AS will addict add to the list of gridiron upstarts learning from the mistakes of those that came before to try and do something so much harder than it sounds give America what are wants footfall. This is the narrative, I'm Harry sort out the continental football league the world football league United States football league. The XFL attempts at building a second football league have been wildly different in terms of rules teams players aesthetics and success. But they all have one thing in common occuren- of inspiration. I started thinking about this a long time ago when I was in high school, my dad and bents created the XFL that's Charlie ever saw television producer turned af founder and son of dick Ebersol helped found the XFL in two thousand one. So I called Bill polling invited him having meetings to breakfast. So I traveled all the way out to little diner, fifty their diner. And we had what was supposed to be a forty five minute breakfast. Over of pancake ended up being five hours at a certain point in time in five hours. You're drinking like six to coffee and the guilt hip that we left for. For that diner might have paid the Morgan for the restaurant that year and out of it came the sketchbook of what could be. All that ever. Saw Polian thought the league could be hinges on an assumption. The same that every new football league is made since the AFL in the fifties and sixties America loves football. And they have an appetite to consume more of it than the NFL can give when the Super Bowl is off the air. There are reports say seventy to eighty million American. Watching professional sports on the weekend. Until the ball comes back. Meanwhile football in one of the biggest good food in the United States. You're talking about anywhere from seventeen to thirty billion in revenue among the team and owners every sport has multiple that you can watch a football. And so did he's got the six month gap almost to the day where no football being played huge hole flip become so popular that Americans. Choose it over other sports just about every time take our former national pastime baseball, for example, October ninth two thousand eighteen MLB playoff game, featuring the Red Sox and the Yankees. Clubs with huge fan bases netted seven point one five million viewers, making one of the highest rate of playoff games in the last news compare that number even poorly watched NFL games like Thursday night football, which is twelve million viewers and football fans. Don't just watch. They spent the average football fan will invest fifty thousand dollars across their life in their favorite team that cash, and then you think about how much time they're investing and the value of that time, you realize these these fans we the fan invest a lot footfall seems like a safe cell but league after Lee has fallen down trying to deliver the game to a public who's ready to buy. Luckily for the alliance each defunct Louis has left a blueprint of sorts things to do and things not do. But each one starts between the hash marks. I down win on the field. First and foremost is going to be real credible fantasy football and we're in Alabama. We're in football country. You better be able to deliver a plight. I plas product because they're gonna see through it. If it isn't. That's Tom ward. President of the alliance football team the Birmingham iron when I saw the people that were involved in this football expert with hundreds of years of experience. And I just say this is the vision of the future in sports. And I think that's going to be keeper us putting that credible. But ball product on the field because that's what fans expect in this market. Alabama doesn't have an NFL team. But being home to to college powerhouses means that fans in Bama, expect the best talent on the field credible. Football starts with great players supported by great coaches. So one of the first steps for the alliance was borrowing. Some of the cotton states football talent right from the source. The interesting thing about our league, first of all as Birch crack. All the players in the state of Alabama. What are Alabama or Auburn or Samford or Troy or Alabama an Amer state? So we we've already signed probably just under twenty players state of Alabama front Richardson lake SIMS just to name a few. So we're going to have players that the fans there have followed for years going through their college career. And now when Alabama and Auburn football is over that's where we're going to fill that void. The hometown hero approach isn't just for the iron in Alabama. Either. Each af franchise has sphere of influence first dibs on players from local schools and castoffs from local NFL tease. The policy is smart for two reasons. One fans already know enough players that have been lighting up their favorite college scoreboards for years and to it cuts down on infighting between teams for great talent. Here's whether defunct eighties football leave the US fell proved a useful lesson for the af then written this past week that you are locked up via your personal services contract with Donald Trump until nineteen eighty nine. Is that true? Yes, that's true. The US fell had modest success in its first few seasons in part because they didn't overpay talent. A professional sports league is only as strong as its weakest link and the US fells gentlemen's agreement to be thrifty collapsed after a few capital rich teams like the new. General's paid stars like Herschel Walker and Doug Flutie extravagant salaries to forgo the NFL other teams couldn't keep up with the generals big-spending and collapsed on an off field. Sending the league humbling like house of cards while signing players based on locality helps cut out the cutthroat competition that felt the US fell. It's the aligns is uniform contract policy. Truly make sure payrolls are manageable for every teen in a leak. Here's Atlanta legends. GM Billy vani to explain its way much nicer here in the alliance because everything is it standard. Everybody's got the same contract. Everybody the same deal. There aren't any individual incentives are team that same standard team incentives built into contract. So there are there's no negotiating with agents, which makes it heavenly. This is this is way more fun now with Asians than negotiating NFL contracts. I assure you. Also, the alliance isn't going to try and woo underage players. Like Herschel Walker out of school beat for the NFL has a chance to pay them. Instead, the alliance's getting its players from places the NFL may have overlooked. That means the time honored tradition of tryouts. Heard about. Gift. Gophers into a lotta we go by after I had checked out the website. And at that time, they weren't really giving up too much information. They were trying to keep in it. You know, if you know, you know, if you don't you'll see what happens. That's Jonathan mass equate former NFL player with the falcons titans and sheets and current player for the Birmingham. I r-. Pressure. Went on the the following week. And I saw that today. It was a Saturday performance with old out themselves. Like, wow. Like this thing, it's really, you know, bought two up so I registered online, and I went to the trial in Atlanta on the twenty sixth of August going down there. My mindset was a I'm going down there to perform to get a spot. I was going down there to perform to to show. The only reason why I'm out of the league is because I needed shoulder surgery. And so I did will they saw three days later. Players lined up at the combines to get one more chance to play pro football for many players. The alliance may be their last shot or only shot at playing pro ball. Go on guys who haven't played football within a calendar year. Dr probably been at home waiting for this guys who who go to drastically to get film. So if you if you've ever been around someone who has, you know, been out of football, you'll know what I'm talking about. It's kind of like very soft spoken, but they're ready to hit something. If the players are ready to hit the coaches are ready to point them in the right direction on the field and hopefully to the next level. Really? You're gonna have a chance with guys that are maybe getting a second chance or their first chance because they were institute or a half a dick to slow. The realize your dream and help them realize your green, which is moving on. Next level. That's Brad Childress. Former head coaching the Minnesota Vikings and current head coach of the alliance team the Atlanta legends getting that last shot, especially in the sport like football without a proper developmental league. Can mean getting the opportunity finally shine. One of the things in my first discussions with with Bill Polian. Was you know bread? We would love to be able to develop quarterbacks. There's not enough of that. I know he's had conversations with Roger Goodell, data quarterback development and offense of wine that doesn't mean we're not developing defensive backs or wide receivers. But to be good. It's those positions you have to play the game and being on a ten man practice squad and reading it off a card is not playing the game. You have to watch the guy play the game to see what kind of decision. He makes Hundres. I remember about the send age eight feely NFL Europe. Because I thought he just needed to play. And then lo and behold he played for us in the last game in two thousand one where they took every game and put it this back played very well. And I said, you know, what I wanna hold onto and develop myself your resume, and that's why I think this league is so valuable. Tail is a more grounded version of Kurt Warner's famous story. Developmental league. Fairytale Warner went from a grocery Bagger to an NFL Europe star to an NFL hall of Famer. But even developing inexperienced players into competent starters like AG feely would be a sign a success for the alliance. They're expecting it. Standard in every every player's contractors NFL clause where if an NFL team who wants to work a player out. We can tell kids we can find you tomorrow and the Atlanta Falcons want to work you out a month from now, you're free to go. If they want to work you out two months from now, you're free to go the workout if they want to put you on their practice squad. You're free to go at any time. We'll be one of the three ways that NFL seems to be able to populate the rosters but agency which is very expensive with the draft. And then they're going to have to look at our league. And if there's individuals that their makeup, I'm not worried about losing the guy, in fact, if I'm doing a great job with our guys all fifty two guys that are team would be able to make their way into NFL roster. And we start a news next year. Fresh opportunities abound. Every level of the alliance. Brad Childress is offense coordinator will be Michael Vick. Former NFL QB he's making his debut coaching at anything close at coordinator level after working as an intern for the chiefs last season. If Michael Vick is looking to be an NFL coach. Well, he's got the perfect man in his corner to make that happen. New blood and familiar faces that fallen out of football will mix in the alliance, which will hopefully deliver the level of play that people demand from professional football league. Tangerine bowl in Orlando. The Panthers meant the Charleston rockets second down get the product to the beep. Got it. This goes back to every league whether ten be a NHL major league baseball or NFL or even MLS, and it starts with the foundation, which is the lifeblood of any prances, I said earlier teaching tickets, and and tickets in general, then you've got a con Amies scales relates to TV, which drives a huge part of our business. So I think expansion, but it all starts with the building blocks. And then that's where it can expand explode. And that's how the league I think we'll ultimately see success in a long-term greet football means nothing if nobody can see it traditionally ticket sales measured success the gate. Proceeds were the main source of income for teams before television came into the picture and still today can be the difference between starting in the red or in the black fans have enjoyed it all as they've watched their Jacksonville sharks make their debut in the world football league tonight before an extremely successful crowd of fifty nine thousand hundred twelve and so that gives the. Fell for the six games. Played five last item tonight almost forty five thousand for those ball games. The world Football League's early games. Looked have amazing attendance until it got out the Philadelphia had given away over forty thousand tickets for free in order to try and salvage the league and become solvent. In their second season of operation. The WFL set a minimum attendance goal of fifteen thousand fans a game. And even missed that the alliance said its own attendance goal, but this one has shot to work you have to start with the idea of launching league or on the idea of a live event. So one of the greatest builders of new leagues and live events is a guy named Tom the head of business operations here the league and to Tom and night sat down very early on and laid out what would the structure need to look like to work. What's the minimum number of tickets? You would have to sell. He didn't want to get to a reasonable degree of profitability, and then work backwards from there to figure out how much money you have to raise. The alliance has a resource WFL USFL in CIO F L didn't have when trying to go sheet stadium deals in number of high quality and capacity college football stadiums has boomed in the past ten years when you look at our stadium Orlando were playing the spectrum stadium where the UCF Golden Knights play really beautiful new forty four thousand seat stadium that state of the art that is basically empty during our season. And so our ability to go in there and playing that stadium. It's usually hugely beneficial Kimberly when you look at the cities that we went to we went to cities where we were filling in need, which the city could support with ticket sales. And the city would be a big benefactor are dealing San. Antonio is incredibly beneficial to the city and expanded as we decided to run our training camp there at cetera. They also negotiate stadium deals as a leak making sure that their new stadiums won't be built on toxic waste. Like the NFL's infamous ironbound stadium in New Jersey. Instead, they're working with the cities to ensure a mutually beneficial arrangement. Here's birmingham. I am president Tom ward. Again, in three years, we'll move into a brand new stadium in downtown right outside my window, forty five thousand seats, the city here is just an awesome really bending over backwards rolling out the red carpet and meeting us now with open arms. So it's been a place. We haven't gone for someone hasn't been excited about us because you know, there enough incoming city they want a pro football team and to show that they can support it. The alliance also benefits from the modern TV landscape. It used to be the three networks NBC CBS ABC would steer relatively clear started leaks as not to anger, the NFL who's high rating games, they covered it. This would prove the downfall of CO NFL, and the WFL who couldn't secure broadcast contracts with the big boys. Now, there's a plethora of ways to get on the airwaves. But sometimes the old ones are still the best. First and foremost is already arrangement with green set up with CBS, which is the number one network in the country. And then so it's really three tiers. You've got the national the regional and the local level we've met with really every TV station outlet in town. Everyone wants to talk to us and soon as we get that schedule. We'll be out with our fee. So all the stations in the marketplace. And in the age of devices, the alliance has an app for that fans will be able to stream. Any game on the alliance's app for free. And that's not the only interaction the alliance wants fans to have with the rap either. You Lyons has developed technology to track players in real time. During the games fans will be able to use up to the second info from the field to play fantasy football and make bets. Just don't ask the lines to spill the beans on the specifics. Just yet this'll be the frustrating part of our interview I'd tell you wait and see I I have been frustrated over the last three years that when I loaded concepts, and ideas, I all sudden see them made manifest by my competitors. What I will tell you in concept of the opposite. The Great Barrier to users playing actively opposed to passively. So you talked about in terms of penalties the player picks their team on a Monday or Friday or Saturday. And then they watch the game on Sunday and their Twitter user, even as the guys starts moving to quote in gaming main don't have access. The data in real time coming up the players where the players position or faster moving federal. And so they can't really offer a product that is truly real. Well, we've done we built a combination of hardware and software proprietary little laws to have one hundred percent real pine information flow. And then we've taken that we package it in a way that the gamer can play as actually experiencing the football. This would be the kind of info that would not only enhanced fantasy football. What also gambling with legal sports betting spreading across the country. The alliance's deal with MGM as their exclusive gamble. The alliances deal with MGM as their exclusive gambling partner. Looks like a savvy move to secure powerful ally. If you're looking to enjoy football, they're sure will be a lot of ways to do it. Strictly money situation would a world football league. Are there? Other things involved, Pat. I'm sure there are other things involved a change in scenery perhaps third down more than the little things. There's a million little things that go on behind the scenes to help football leagues thrive that the fans never see or don't care to for every touchdown in sack. There's an electric Bill that gets paid or call that gets returned establish leaks have infrastructure built in so they almost run themselves. But the alliance is starting from scratch. Here's Billy vani. Again. There's ton of things that need to be checked off from hiring a head coach, and hiring assistant coaches and hiring support staff trainers equipment people in video video people and facilities and training camps. There's a ton of legwork involved, but I wanna say chaos, but it everything's being done in an orderly fashion. It's not enough to have a team there needs to be a place to put it a place to train a place to do clerical work. If one doesn't exist filled it re- weeks ago, I'm walk. We're we're still in the process of nailing. Down or our practice illegi here in Atlanta. We had a couple of possibilities that we were exploring and one day. I found myself in an office park walking around bacon office building with some real estate guy. And he's trying to explain to me just to imagine coaches. All we needed twelve thirteen coaches office, and he's measuring office bay offices out and they visualize if you need to staffroom your offense of room, and I said, do you got the wrong person? I'm a football guy. You're asking me to visualize office space. And I said that is way over my head. You need somebody in here really knows what they're talking about. I kept saying how in the world I get here pass along the information to powers that be. And I don't think I messed it up to bad. It seems like little stuff if there aren't enough Staples for copies the team probably won't miss that field goal. But it matters more than you might think WFL players famously eighteen meal of biscuits and water before the world bowl because team organizers couldn't arrange anything better organization often manifest itself by how a league cares for its players. The alliance hired somebody who knows what players want. The head of development of the lions football Hines ward claimed the NFL for fourteen seasons and wanted to make sure the alliance players were taking care of beyond just biscuits and water. The league Asher listened to play as far as how can we improve on the safety of the game by changing some of the rules. Not having kickoffs, which we all those probably who on the most dangerous plays football. But also, you know, tweaking practice and scheduling and things like that. So we make sure that guys aren't doing way too much practice doing some biometric testing by on our players, you know, monitor players how much when I get into the red time to pull those guys back or just check in their everyday movement when they out on the practice field. So I think our safety is top priority. And we. Changing the rules is a time honored startup league tradition, but usually player safety isn't taken into account like the exit tells opening scramble which had players run full speed in crash in each other to recover a ball twenty yards away in order to establish Zakin. Sustained injury. All gang is e as the Orlando player was trying to set the ball looked like your shoulder got caught in them. And he may have a separated shoulder there. Anybody getting a coin this is what makes the different on that play? The first opening scramble of the year for the Orlando rage free safety has Saen Shum cdn separated his shoulder and missed the rest of the season and the alliance some rule changes are just as to change play like teams having to go for two and the play clock dropping to just thirty five seconds, but others are to prevent injury. Eliminating kickoffs aims to protect the players from one of the highest risk plays in football. But the safety benefits do come with drawbacks for the players them. Taking the kickoff away allows time to get get on the field and and perform, but then again, it's like men checking keep away you taking away the position of those tech it third string guys who probably may see ten reps per game. But if you're trying to protect the player in the longevity people, I see that. The lines may have taken a couple jobs from special teams to ensure the safety of their biggest asset, but they're also making sure those players have opportunities to win jobs off the field. If they can't win them on it a player who who's in Lee. Whatever reasons doesn't make it to fill rockstar was on a set of like. Nansha counselor internships that work opportunity within leagues to help them with that transition when the football crews done all giving openly guy. Fair for life. When players are taking care of leaves can focus on making the product better for the audience. We want to leave really focus on the fan. But to all the make sure that we make it affordable for family of four to come out and Jillette football game. We're trying to work on the length of the game. You know by short in Dallas really want to try to see if we get a game, two and a half hours. So they're all day long. Ladies and gentlemen. Please. Welcome alliance of American football, founder and CEO. Charlie ever saw force down the alliance. We call ourselves the aligns because we're the alliance three things where the land to the fans the alliance the players or lines the game bringing those three things together. All timidly was the most important thing in our view to put in quality football in the field. So where do we start mostly start with the month? The owners who use their capital to start teams are granted franchises by league officials. This can be a problem for a couple reasons the first being that it's tough to find potential owners who have the assets to build a team and the gumption stick with them when they inevitably lose money in the gimmick multimillionaires didn't acquire their wealth by investing in losing ventures making a brand new leagues starts with an acceptance of the. Borderline inevitability that you're going to fail and not just colossally fail at been the league goes away. But that the vast majority of your ideas are not going to work. I little went into pitch meetings and told people to their fate. If you take the money, you're going to give me and put it in the middle of the table, light it on fire. You have ten surely the same likelihood of seen this money back. Then there's the second reason when you have multiple owners running multiple businesses. There are bound to be an equities in the case of a football league. That means good teams and bad deeds. Well, organized teams and chaotic teams profitable teams and failing teams in the business world companies regularly outperform less successful companies into complete non-existence. But sports leagues are only healthy when all of the franchises are doing. Well. So the alliance tried something different. There's no team owner of my league. We treat our investments exactly like Silicon Valley startup. Our investors come into financial rounds. We raise it at different valuations. We raise our money through institutional and venture capital and family offices. So people are coming in and writing, you know, ten million dollar checks fifty million dollars hundred million dollar checks that that go into the parent company, which is the lines of Merican football. And they get ownership in the overall league, they don't get or should been the individual teams. This is one of the core philosophies that I believe in that I think killed most of the other leagues was that. They ended up into where you had individual investors who are working against the interests of the overall leak. With no owners making selfish financial decisions. The alliance has unique advantage over the other failed lease wealth, both monetary and talent can be spread evenly. There's a bunch of great players. They full Landau. Get all the great players and stuff, but they have four great quarterbacks. Meanwhile, Salt Lake City has no quarterback with fair for having three great quarterbacks who ever not the starting quarterback. It does us. No justice. Why have two good quarterback behind the one and not give them not to go out there and showcase what they can do. No one wins in that situation. So I think that GM's starts with them as far as what can they do? Try to player if that does happen that kind of oversees that because like I said day we wanna give everybody that opportunity to fulfill their dreams and if we got three quarterbacks. One team. And there's no quarterback on the other team. No one wins that situation spreading towns around especially in a league that operates with territories instead of national draft system will hopefully prevent small-market teams from becoming perennial cellar dwellers in also does right by the players giving guys who would have to sit on the bench behind a star an opportunity to play cooperation not competition drives alliance. What if we brought football into the twenty first century moving the chains? The alliance lives up to its name internally. It seeks to better align, the players coaches and league personnel and externally it's not trying to defeat the NFL the o F L WFL USFL and XFL all thought the shield and crumbled beneath the full force of the NFL, the alliance isn't fighting but trying to form a symbiosis. I look at us as a complimentary league. I mean, we're not competing head to head with them turn and fell seasons. We start a week later seventy thousand young men playing college football. There's only seventeen hundred and fell job. There's a lot of football players out there. They just need. Another additional skill set. Maybe some experience either start their career to resurrect their career to extend their career, we provide a training ground. That is missing the NFL doesn't have with the NBA has or what the NHL has with the AHL or major league baseball has farm system. But I think we can. Look at us as as a way to be feeding ground help stock into Sonko players, even if they eventually do go the way of the action point or the opening scramble, the alliance will have changed football. Sure. The NFL Inc. Startup league rules like the US two point conversion. But in a broader sense, the league's pushed forward more significant ways this excessive black players from small schools in the continental football league opened up the NFL two more black players on their own losses. The alliance is trying to open up professional football gate, even wider the thing that I'm involved right now trying to bring diversity to over by creating more opportunities for minorities being male football mind, and also the disabled, you know, I want everyone to be a part of our leading. I wanna take it there in ten us the alliance, maybe another funding that burnt hot and fast before flickering out. Learning from them stakes of leaks past gives it the best chance yet of hanging around. And you should be rooting for that. Your fan of football. The alliance will give you more of what you love more importantly, it'll push the game Ford and give thousands of people in tune ity to share in the sport. So without kicking off at all the alliance will kick off a new era in professional football. Thanks for this episode of the narrative goes out to Charlie ever saw Tom ward. Philly vani Brad Childress Hines ward Jonathan massacre Tyler Pena and the alliance of American football. If you like the podcast, leave us a rating and review helps get the narrative out to more people or just tell a friend a tweet about the show using the hashtag sl narrative. I'm at Harry sword out on Twitter. If you liked learning about defunct leagues, check out past episodes. The narrative he episode general election, Donald Trump, the New Jersey generals and the race for the White House tackles, the US fell and golden opportunity follows the short-lived Mexico golden aspects of the continental football league. And as always for more on the alliance and other narratives moving the world of sport. Log onto sl dot com.
What the Crypto Industry Could See Under a Biden Administration - Ep.150
"Hi everyone welcome to unconfirmed the show that reveals. How the marquee names and crypto are reacting to the week's top headlines and get the inside scoop on what they see on the horizon on your host. Laura shin a journalist with over two decades of experience. I started covering crypto five years ago and as a senior editor at forbes was the first mainstream media reporter to cover cryptocurrency full-time unchained. An unconfirmed now publishes videos. If you're not yet subscribed to the unchain. Youtube channel head a youtube dot com slash c slash unchained. Podcast and subscribe today crypto. dot com. The crypto super app. That lets you buy earn and spend crypto. Earn up to eight point five percent per year on your bitcoin. Download the crypto dot com app. Now today's guest is christine smith executive director of the blockchain association and board member of hodel. Pack welcome kristin. Thanks for having me laura this week the whole world has been watching the us presidential election. It was it or it is still currently Probably one of the more momentous wins in recent memory if not the most woman and that's due to many reasons among which are the pandemic historic levels of civic unrest and intense levels of polarization in the country. And i should just let the viewers know because events are sort of changing in the moment that we are recording this at around three. Pm eastern time on thursday and at this moment it looks most likely that former vice president joe biden will be elected our forty six president and so i thought it would be good to check in with you on how advocating for the crypto industry will change but before we actually get to that question. Let's just talk about what it is that both the blockchain association hurdle pack are. And what they do yes. The blockchain association is a trade association based in washington. Dc we have twenty four member. Companies and the goal of the organization is to change public policy to benefit that crypto industry. So we work with regulators. We work with lawmakers. Sometimes we participate in a court process if needed but we want better public policy. Hodel pack which i am. A board member of is a different organization. It's it's a political action committee that is designed to bring together donations Small and large across the crypto industry and intern donate those money to congressional candidates. That have good. Stances on crypto issues. another part of the pack is helping to educate the community about what's going on and We're working towards building up more grassroots functionality. So that we can have the people who wanna take action. Participate have constructive meaningful organized way for them to do so so Blockchain association is for crypto companies. Total package for crypto individuals. And so to the question. I'm sure everybody's wondering about. He had asked for advocating on behalf of the industry or the community. How will that change. And to describe that sort of set the baseline by describing how or what. The strategy was the trump administration. And how you think that will change under a potential biden administration. Yes you have to remember. The biggest barrier to getting better policy in washington is an education barrier. This is a really new emerging fast emerging space. It's complicated it's difficult for policy makers to find the time to to learn the ins and outs of how it works Another challenge we have. Is that most of your everyday. Average consumers don't really do much with crypto yet. And so it's not top of mind. For policymakers by our strategy over the past couple of years has been to grow the base of champions on these issues and work with them to put forth. What we think are thoughtful. Good solutions Another important piece of what we do. Is we try to stop bad things from happening. Which we've succeeded. Add a couple of times on the legislative side because it's just as important to stop bad things than it is to get good things going forward and i would they an example if well there've been a couple bills that have been floated introduced like a very early version of the manage stable coins or securities. Act for example. You know that would have defined stable coins in a way that it wasn't intended to so the spirit of the legislation might might not have actually been not terrible but the way it was drafted was was would have been very hurtful to the industry and so we were able to work with that office get some of those definitions change but ultimately it stalled into able to prevent that from going forward the the because these are such niche issues. For policymakers we really had to rely heavily on those who have a personal passion for this space. So you know has to pursue. You've interviewed multiple times brian brooks. They've been fantastic. Allies champions to have and having them in those spots heads you know not only have they been able to put forth their own ideas. But they've been able to educate their peers their regulatory regulator peers on on cryptos that. That's positive any congress we. Have you know some good champions that are continuing to put ideas forward but the reality is it's a long way towards actually getting big comprehensive package across the finish line so as we look to the biden administration is if that is indeed dealing with. I mean who knows anything could change. I actually think the combination of a biden administration with the republican senate. Which i think is where we're going but again that could change too but those that is really really good for crypto and there are couple of reasons for that that the trump administration is a little bit mixed. Right as i mentioned we have. Has we have brian. They're great we'll secretary mnuchin. Who's not a big fan of the space Trump himself We have jay clayton. Who has been a skeptic Those are you know mnuchin. Clayton are appointed by trump And they've been standing in the way of getting something so as we look to the biden administration were hoping to be able to get educated crypto educated regulators in key positions in the sec. The cftc sec and doing what we can to try to influence those choices and in survivable played important role in picking. Those people are but because we have a republican senate. Those choices i think. We're going to be much more moderate than they would have. If if the democrats take the senate Under a democrat controlled senate than the progressives Have a little bit more of a say in who those. Those people are but If the senate banking committee is controlled by pat toomey mitch mcconnell's running the senate floor. Those guys are not going to approve of somebody. That's two left and they're gonna need to get some republican votes for those positions. So i think that's good for crypto because the support we've had from democrats tends to be those that are a little bit more to business that are open to You know private sector innovation. And i think that that that is actually a winning combination in. There's potential to get some great great regulators in in those key slots and so for this next administration. What are the main issues that are at the top of both the blockchain association and whole package and does so on the defensive side And this is for the blockchain association We are very concerned about any unnecessary regulation of self hosted wallets or for transfers into out of self hosted wallets. There're not specific proposals out there on that right now. But because fat has has highlighted this. Because what we've been hearing out at of the senior folks from treasury. We think that this is gonna be an issue that we have to watch like a hawk because it goes at the core crypto is in so being being ready to be on the defense for that is is really important in in. We're working on report right. Now that we hope to get out the door In a couple of weeks On that issue. I also think securities loc clarity continues to be an issue that we would like to have addressed it's I don't think it's as urgent as it was. When we spoke was that a year and a half ago on this subject something like that time flies but the But that is something that i think finding a pathway for projects to raise money on the front end to give them a period of time like hester persons proposed and then to be able to go and and freely trade that token as a commodity is still really important issue that needs to be addressed and so that that's on our list. There's been a lot of activity on stable coins. I think that's good for the industry. But more importantly that is what policymakers are interested in right. Now and part of that is driven by china. Cdc's and i think getting an appropriate you know fiat back. Stable coin policy in place is going to be important and we've already seen some good good steps by the occ on that front and then I do think there are some outstanding tax policy issues that need to be addressed and so those would be maybe our top four There's also Europe right now is doing quite a bit with spot. Market regulation so the. Us may decide to jump in on that in what we saw the digital commodity exchange. Act a couple months ago. Is they're starting to be mightiest about how to do that here. So there's definitely a lot going on and a lot of those decisions In in the next couple of years. I think you're gonna be regulator level decisions But congress is still useful tool because they can put pressure on the red regulators they can signal to the regulators what they would want and what they would do and sell. I don't anticipate getting a new bill. Signed into law. I do anticipate getting great. Bills introduced in debated and hopefully that will influence action At the regulatory level so fascinating. And there's so much to unpack there but first we'll take a quick word from the sponsors. He make this show possible. Crypto dot com. the crypto. super app. That lets you buy earn and spend crypto all in one place earn up to eight point five percent per year on your btc download the crip dot com now to see the interest rates. You could be earning on. Btc and more than twenty other coins. Once in the app you can apply for the crypto dot com metal card which pays you to eight percent. Cashback instantly reserve years now in the crypto dot com app. Back to my conversation with kristin smith so you mentioned that stable coins is pretty much at the top of the regulators agenda. What do you. Why would you say that in. What exactly are they looking to do there. I think it's at the top of their agenda because it's something that they can understand which is when you look at the universe of what you can do with crypto networks minting a digital dollar you know on a blockchain is something they can wrap their heads around. It is really difficult to go in and talk about you know organ being decentralized vpn or file coin being decentralized storage system. I mean. There's just so many different pieces there that they don't they're able to fully wrap their heads around it but i think because there's so much attention to what's happening in china I think because of john initiative on the digital dollar projects is is sort of forcing some of these conversations that when we look at the pure crypto world i think having having Us dc is a really good sort of private sector driven Effort to get all of the benefits that we would have with the cdc but that's available here now and it's starting be more widely adopted for different uses. And so i think for us. We've been able to pivot the cdc conversation into a conversation about staple coins and getting the right framework around there Because the reality is the fed takes a really long time to do things if you will get there faster. Payments initiatives are fed now program. That's been years in the making in isn't done yet And so i think if we can you know us american values and the american way of of private sector innovation to get to the same ends that we can still keep the dollar strong on and be competitive with china and just to go back to the senate question. I do think you're right. Probably we will end up with a republican controlled senate. However at the moment it does look pretty likely that will end up in two runoff elections in january and so those two could potentially change the control the senate to the democrats and i just wondered if you thought that that would change much of the agenda that you mentioned the regulators or congress is interested in at the moment. Yeah i do. I do think it will change. If the demonstrate the senate then we may have less friendly regulators in key positions not necessarily but The odds of getting somebody who is more progressive enough spots You know doesn't necessarily hurt us. But there's a higher likelihood that it does And you know in terms of the legislation that they that congress could consider is going to be much more significant. I mean i think that they will have a pretty strong agenda that could include you know getting more people on supreme court getting new states into in seats in the senate that i talk owes you okay. I meant the crypto agenda. But you feel like attention will just be elsewhere. I think their attention will be elsewhere. Now we do. We do see some Proposals that are coming up in a house Leaves office looking at a bill. That i think is is well intended. But at the moment as as defined with really limit The type of entity who could issue a dollar back stable coin. Something like that would not be good for joe at least in its current form and so what. We don't want our these ideas. They're sort of Maybe joined by modern modern monetary theory and sort of the Taking banking in making it. More public i think is going to have ramifications for crypto as well but i don't think that's gonna be the top thing on our list. I don't think that's something that can happen in two years and so i think that I think the crypto will will be much lower down down the agenda item agenda but if something does go we have the ability to stop it like we would with a republican senate and there is one new senator who is a fan of bitcoin. At least at least one new one there might be others. Cynthia lewis from wyoming. Apparently is i. Guess the first senator to own bitcoin. I did see some people tweeting. Which i also thought like. Oh we thought that. Kelly leffler some anyway. I don't know. I on knows. I think is fantastic. I actually haven't spoken with her in a long time. But she was the congresswoman from wyoming. When i worked for the loan congresswoman from montana and so on occasion our our officers would get together and she would come over with what she called a wyoming five act which is basically a six pack of beer. One missing bring it to the congressman and works for her so she is down to earth. She is really smart and she's a huge fan of bitcoin. And having somebody like that in the senate is rate. I'm eager to see what committee assignments she would get You know she. Sometimes the states like wyoming are interested in the agriculture committee which would be great because the agriculture committee has jurisdiction over the cftc and so there are a lot of things we could work with her there on on if she goes to the the finance committee which typically freshman don't get assigned to the finance committee that's committee but that would have jurisdiction over tax policy and then the senate banking committee you know. Wyoming is the very innovative on that front and You know shot might be desirable position for her as well. So senators typically get anywhere between three and five committees and so. I'm super eager to see where she lands. Because i've got a lot of ideas for her. She shows up and recently. We have seen some antitrust action from. Congress are such as google. I wondered do. Legislators have an awareness of how something like web three could potentially address these monopoly type issues or do they tend to lump. Criminal crypto in with big tech. Don't lum crypto in with big tack but there is still a disconnect between seen crypto as solution to big big tax Early on in particular. This was Kind of the core of our messaging was that. Hey crip is gonna come along and it's gonna fix everything you hate about the internet where we started to run into problems with libra because when facebook came in all of the sudden big tech was affiliated west with crypto and we think did a pretty good job of separating the two but i think there's still some confusion on how we can have these crypto networks. That are you know these sort of organic predators to to what we see in that space that you know it'd be treat privacy differently than big tech. Does that are more secure. There are a lot of like wonderful wonderful. Theoretical or not theoretical in the case of like file coin alternatives to big tech. But it's there is a disconnect up making del regime who is the The the man in charge of antitrust policy at doj gave a speech on it recently. I think he is starting to see that. There are some opportunities there but this kind of goes back to our earlier conversation. Most members of congress And maybe sort of average regulators aren't yet wrapping their head around that so that it's just a little bit too requires a little bit too much imagination in too much background with them to to make that connection. But i think that over time that that will start to shift in we can see crypto as part of the solution and not a problem. The crypto industry. Also maybe not even fully aligned with itself or within itself about how to approach compliance and regulation for instance. After by nancy west joined the blockchain association coin days left and forbes recently wrote an article saying that perhaps finance he might have been set. Up as a decoy for us regulators. And of course as. I'm sure you're well aware coin. Based has this longstanding reputation for being one of the most complained exchanges although of course it also does push back against overreach such as when the us the irs tried to make a broad request on all its users transactions worth three year period. But i wonder what are the main divisive issues within the crypto industry that need to be resolved when it comes to how it approaches regulators yet. That's a great question I think that for most companies operating in the us. That at least the ones that i have dealt with in in in my universe they do want to comply In part of why they work with watching association is they want to get more clarity on when they need to apply right. I mean. I think that you know if you don't want to deal with that you don't operate in the us. Which is i think. What most people do. It's really hard to get all the key people in a room. I'll put it that way. you know. I think that there are a lot of rivalries that you know whether it be primarily. I think what the exchanges fight Their rivalries competitive rivalries that are getting in the way of had accepted to policy conversations. I think that starting to shift I think that as Universities companies are building out their teams and bringing in You know sort of season general counsels. There's this understanding that that they're going to have to work together. I don't think it's as closely coordinated as it needs to be to win in the reality is we're not going to get anything super positive until there is agreement on strategy and whether that be Hey like we all want to be regulated bank center some sort of special bank charter. Or we want to expand the cftc jurisdiction to play a greater role or we'd need to create a self regulatory organization that is kind of running point on on regulating the space i think there is still disagreement on that and but i'm hopeful in the months ahead that we can get the key people sitting down You know they don't have to be member of the blockchain association to do this. So i always accepting applications for new members for me to pass along. The the board is a board decides membership not me but The the. I think that that it's really important to work together. Because we are so small compared to most industries that are operating in washington that that the nuances of of the rivalries are just really. Like those policymakers like they just wanna see kind of a unified position so it's incumbent upon us to to develop that And push that forward. We still have a ways to go on that. And last question with the news about pay pal integrating cryptocurrencies. There has been increased noise about the need for a dominica's taxes exemption and i wondered if that was something that the blockchain association are hodel. Pack is advocating for. And what you thought. The odds were such a thing would be passed. Yeah no. I think that That is something that the association supports we got legislation Worked really closely with coin center to get that introduced last year I think that it. It looks like dave schweickart is probably gonna get reelected his lead republican on that bill and the lead democrats was also elected. So i think getting that reintroduces important The problem with tax policy is it tends to get done in packages in southern needs to be some sort of tax bill moving to attach something like that too. It would also be helpful to get something introduced on the senate side so that there's kind agreement between both chambers when they get to negotiations on a tax package so there's more groundwork to be done there I think it would I think it. I think it's important staff. I think there's some other tax issues that need to be dressed as well Around crypto winning around treatment of sticking rewards And those are other issues that we're going to be looking at but and you know from hogan pack perspective What's the beauty of hodel. Pack is that those are individuals and so they can support an vote for champions In in congress or candidates that have different positions on different issue so hodel pack itself doesn't take positions but the contributions will go towards the candidates that that have favorable position. So it's a very much ed A very open to the community guard processor. Okay interesting maybe. It's something where you guys could use like quote radic voting to decide. I didn't know what that was until recently. But yeah we actually. We just held our first community ballot right before the election and People who wanted to participate in determining where the contributions would go would do so by using hodel votes. Which was you receive a token in any would vote with their tokens on a few people in. Dc world had to download masks To participate for the first time but it was. Yeah there's the medical experimentation going around around there but the the idea being that You know most political action committees have a committee or a single person that started determines. Okay we're gonna support these people you know. Give them contributions and hoax. Really opening that up to kind of a community vote which is really really cool. Allow i love it. I love it that you guys are over to using this technology in really interesting ways all right well. We'll see what happens with the election. I'm sure we'll have you back again to talk about how it's going once. You know whatever. The changeover is whatever that whatever that is yeah i definitely think there're there gonna be some changes. I think we have some good opportunities. And i think we're in a position to play defense on. We need to play defense. So i think twenty twenty one and twenty twenty. You're going to be exciting. Years for crypto policy grades. Well thank you so much for coming. Unconfirmed things laura. Don't forget next up is the weekly news recap. Thanks for tuning into this week's news. Recap first headline one billion dollars in silkroad. Bitcoin seized by the us. On tuesday. sixty nine thousand three hundred sixty nine. Bitcoin's worth almost one billion dollars had been moved out of wallet associated with the silk road marketplace sparking speculation at round who might be behind the activity. The wallet had held until the move. The fourth highest balance of bitcoin on any address. That mystery was solved. Thursday when the department of justice announced what they are calling. Quote the largest seizure of cryptocurrency in the history of the agency. Doj has ceased and seeking forfeiture of sixty nine thousand hundred and seventy bitcoins an equal number of bitcoin gold. Bitcoin s fee and bitcoin cash and the bitcoins had been allegedly hacked from the silk road by a person they refer to as individual x who has now signed a consent agreement to forfeiture with the us. Attorney's office us attorney. David anderson sadness statement that after the prosecution of silkroad founder. Ross in two thousand fifteen billion dollar question remained regarding what did happen to the market stash of money said quote. Today's forfeiture complain answers. This open question at least in part one billion dollars of these criminal proceeds are now in the united states in next headline election. News roundup while all eyes on the us presidential election this week. The crypto and blockchain industry and participated in its own way for the first time in history. The associated press has been posting election results on the ethereal at nieto's blockchain's the ap is also using the blockchain's and its own application programming interface or api which enables anyone wanting to view official ap results to verify the accuracy by calling up the blockchain data the ap voting data has also been published pedia. A blockchain based version of wikipedia built using chain link. The use of these networks is the most extensive use of blockchain technology in elections to date prediction markets also made waves this election with estimates that crypto exchange tx. X. would collect as much as one million dollars in fees from election betting on its platform both t. x. and paulie market offer traders. The opportunity to place bets on the winner of the presidential election and volume surged in these markets leading up to election day in other of x. Related election news founder. Sam thank men. Freed is counted among the top donors to democratic presidential nominee. Joe biden having contributed more than five million dollars to the former vice president's campaign finally as voters across the us prepared to cast ballots cme groups. Bitcoin futures market hit a record with overnight trading on election eve reaching sixty seven hundred the equivalent of thirty three thousand five hundred bitcoin in value the number of large reportable interest holders throughout october also increased twenty percent leading up to election night. The discussion around blockchain's elections hasn't stopped there though by nancy. Oh chang-pang zhao. Posted on twitter. That a blockchain based mobile voting could have prevented the days of vote-counting americans have been enduring the telling buddha and the creator of a theory m chimed in that although quote the technical challenges around a secure cryptographic voting system are significant. The potential is there for such a system to one day be implemented in my personal opinion. The mean issues here are of course identity and security and. I'm pretty sure those will not be resolved as ceesay implies. They would be within four years next. Headline bitcoin flirts with fifteen k on thursday. Bitcoin surpassed fifteen thousand dollars for the first time since january. Two thousand eighteen a symbolic milestone for bitcoin bowls who've been rallying since october activity on the bitcoin blockchain had been steadily increasing since mid october. In addition to greater network activity. October was a big month for bitcoin. Options with open interest reaching an all time high next headline to no phase. Zero launch is imminent in preparation for the arrival of two point. Oh the deposit address for eighth to was released on wednesday. The actress allows future sticking participants to prepare their funds for the beacon chain aka the fees zero launch but therion two point oh according to a blog post from the therion foundation the earliest but for eighth twos genesis is december first depending on how soon the required amount of ethos is deposited by sticking participants next headline pay pal says demand was almost triple expectations during its q three earnings. Call pay pal ceo. Daniel shulman discussed the company's plans around crypto saying quote. This is just the beginning of the opportunities we see as we work hand in hand with regulators to accept new forms of digital currencies. Although crypto functionality is only available to ten percent of hey pal customers the waiting list demand has been two to three times what the company expected while some speculate. That pay pal is gearing up to support central bank digital currencies shulman's only common on. Cdc's was quote from my perspective and all my conversations cdc's when and how they're done not. If next headline bit mex- officials accused of looting. Four hundred and forty million dollars from the exchange. Civil lawsuit is alleging that leadership of hdr global. Which is the parent company of corporate derivatives exchange. Bit mex- withdrew four hundred forty million dollars. Once they learn about investigations in pending charges from us regulators and law enforcement last month doj charge the exchange and its executives with violations of the bank secrecy act arresting one and at the same time there was an enforcement action by the commodities futures exchange commission. The allegations were part of an october thirtieth court. Filing as part of a lawsuit that has been ongoing since may which accuses the co founders. Arthur hays ben delo and samuel read of money laundering and market manipulation. A spokesperson for hdr global told the blog. The accusations are part of quote a series of increasingly spurious claims against us and others in the cryptocurrency sector. We will deal with this through the normal litigation process and remain entirely confident. The courts will see his claims for what they are. Next headline point center files comment on proposed. Two hundred and fifty dollar travel role threshold in comment. Recently filed to the federal reserve board into the financial crimes enforcement network coin center argued against a lower threshold for the travel rule which would require anti money laundering checks being applied to transactions as small as two hundred and fifty dollars that advocacy groups argument. Is that what it calls the quote imposition of these surveillance. Obligations would be intrusive to individual privacy additionally the organization points out that the current trouble role threshold of three thousand dollars would have been equivalent to twenty thousand dollars in one thousand nine hundred seventy one. The year that a core case found the bank secrecy act constitutional however proposed two hundred and fifty dollar threshold. What in the equivalent of forty dollars in nineteen seventy one coin center also opposes the two hundred and fifty dollar threshold because it says quote the constitutionality of today's application of the being act is unknown because we have yet to see a challenge of the regime as it exists time for fun beds. The european central bank wants your thoughts on additional euro. The is conducting a survey on a potential digital euro. If you want to participate you'll have to go into the show notes to find the link but be prepared they want your information first and then they'll email email you willing to the survey and there's a second fund bits. I'm calling this one. At least it's not a child's name. Twitter user william eden had this to say about the silk road forfeiture case this week and hopefully hopefully will be able to say this entire tweet. He says my new favorite core case title. Us versus approximately sixty nine thousand three hundred seventy bitcoin. Bitcoin gold bitcoin s v and bitcoin cash seized from one h. q. Three g. o. Three g. g. s. eight p. f. An ex you. H v h r. Wise he he's q. Five f eight age. vh alright. I did in virginia and to more about kristen the martinez ization host pack and the other topics we discussed. Be sure to check out the links in the show notes of this episode. And don't forget we are now on youtube. Subscribe to the unchained. Podcast youtube channel today. 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"Hi thanks for joining us. On the rising heist we can post kostas bruce williamson full kellyanne. Please melrose looking ahead to well. If i it's jonah goons stakes stale beverly. Needless dave and you'll know that it's not necessarily the most important saturday of the season in terms of quality of rice in there are eight races on. it on the main channel and pretty much. All very testing puzzles very few odds on favorites. We've got soft going as well to contend with so we'll see what the lights fancy on the tv action and then we'll see where else they away from that and we'll get the naps First of all. I pull katie nolan. A very welcome return to the post costs but very welcome sense. The rice go few last night ahead. Yeah i i wanted the tingle creek in december. I will have a drink Really were organized. Good atmosphere I don't know how many that making gets it. Didn't it didn't feel really empty but it was comfortable practically win as well. 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Fifteen to al jordy and eight to one bar case you breaking with habit and going in hard on this one or is this as the other one. A to selection of a recent by setup for tar bush. I've meet the mystique of fog. Got myself into like the must must've been great for them. He was drawn away from all. The action was always on the nearside real muscle installed to and never really broken thames. Not by she'd be shopper for it time before the heat won the scarves the don't cast are he's all into sprint. Does handle so private that he does like to quicken up as well as luca money so this is to plan it has hans so yes a small for me and for you. Kale's say another one is likely to come from. He's got a bit a fine count. Dole say the easily fought. I mean it. Looks like he's improving Foss lost year and he went to his best racist schools. Distancing beat came from the dr By helping beaten up at black from the talker slot he worse times Roughly level whites contests both to and And habita- dogs right one hundred nine now which we talk about it in head capitals hasn't caught donald from that break check. We will it just two three starts ago. Don't really think you'll because his track when the ground is Which starts and he's behind panel lost weeks. I'll give him another guy with costa he likes. It's tons of pace in every go at astronaut. They'll do well elite that but there are plenty of like to go. All night can go really fast as well so I'm looking for somebody to come from behind and it'll be thank you very much fifty five. The beltway pinnacle stakes full phillies is a group three over a mile and a half roach got the fanfare lecture thirteen. Three to orients. Who mistake hundreds of thirty loon. Seventy one cell saw the sixteenth one way for the lord and the rag is national treasure upper forties Not kills who fancy. Hey this is a personal posted about about even money in five to four tools. Now all in the lineup. One of them and this is the flow wasn't even declared scenario sixty five at cover letter. I think that's probably correct Wouldn't be marshall rice to be having a baby to be honest. She does need to come home for that race. You'll he's not really recall. Also this'll be more of a test of the trip tight so cava. Let's if anyone but probably no on rodney hood. Kato jude like. I think it's possibly significant. That two horses cues mentioned ninety. Five and second father both rousing person bowser and she's left mystique fine of course horse follow the last year. She let me get enough. Might see some bad words about the blue one this time. So i think she's most talented movies. But she's half the price of oriented oriental mystique. Who had a more saas faculty pins is going to have conditions to suit our our dom- one. The filthiest champions the race on really tested grown suit them. Are you texting as you mentioned. I think she have presents a bear bed double the price. Okay thank you very much indeed. Let's move onto a fun or ice from haydock. It's the three thirty. It's the beltway. Jonah goal steaks and other groups. Three i seven funnels could also safe voyage. He's three to one favorite. You got four to with thank six to one zero strikes thirteen to two glorious journey and riven nymph nine to one new york ten kinross sixteen bread the brief and thirty three to one key a queen. Joe joe. you can go first keith. Melrose the race as glorious journey who is closer to the top of the service seven for long old guard in places thirteen to imply from. Yeah i think he should be more of the five to one the sort mode exciting bat and on the what i'm to go for is what thanks because i mean heart for last season. Obviously she didn't copy reappearance lost to an ascetic who is going to go on. And be so self. And about schmidt denise in november and i watched the deplete to the twice was really really impressive. She doesn't reach absolutely kind of the biker. That sometimes you think these horses in trouble through this can be about all far a new but when she got us quick she burrito. The judge could five months. She looked readingmeet. He could be maybe a yes. She's one master a key to bail seven four dollars. I loved one muster. And here's steve only harz that has a potential spot in not division. She's really exciting with thanks. I think she's sort of similar to four one and you might never get us company again. So i think she's more more so exciting bet on awful expression case great i love it may not open. Yes right okay. Let's get out my head. Who'd you fancy. I always wondered Site vote with. I don't know about with thanks. She so easily lost on but and it was a very good phillies rice this much. Ardour psych voyages. If you just put money down on that oh wins in the second He went to canaan lodge which is real. we'd thing from the to firm ground in the breeders cup donna. I'm moving to not be finished. Lost for in that. And he came and any finish last never went a yard in in luggage. Can you back in a free one. they have bring in hopes and his lots to eitam. I'm going to take a challenge on the always one Nude lawson became brittany actually ran away with the foul good. I don't think he. I think he i don't think he really stays a mall tour in soft ground When he stopped when brew stepped up a law a couple of weeks ago and now he's being sent think you'll know think run up to his best and he will grow close thanks chaps this guts have beverly. Next members club is the ultimate resource for racing enthusiasts and punches brought to you by the racing post get access to the racing post digital newspaper everyday from nine pm plus exclusive content including expert. Tips analysis form study tools and more head to racing post dot com and click. Subscribe to find out more. Welcome back. we've done. Hey don't know we're gonna cook three races on the at beverly on certain stein with the two o'clock five federal sprint hillary nadella trophy. It's a two year old phillies Christo is favorite at seven to four. And then we'll go five to one has to prime sentence one lady s nine one intriguingly nine julie cooper non lucy. Liu ten to one might blossom and fourteen to one ball. Right in chaos. Won't she'll handle on this semester. Guess is really in at least two races this time of the once or twice I mean the fact finished second a big price. Renzo rising birthright writing seventy six seventy four. Everything is the when she was second second ebro river i was going to talk about. Hey may was good last night while he's obviously a complete because he hung all over the track to the right at doncaster were beaten garbage crystal and then hung all the way left last night. Lucky was a fun party. Going into the stores. He was doing a little bit. It's very good and second term. It's probably better than the mark given to him. So i can understand why he's again. Not my soul. Rice has to print actually ran court. Well we're winning i. i'm out. geez. I bet she. Monday leash to pro store. David millers was running into willing to his idea. Or whatever cover. Monaco grade ones She she's proud. She looked predation when we want to hear. But it was on southbound. Monday sally great as interest in and he's not really a big. No no better bet for you case. Maybe undo do this. Kind of christoph waltz River reply and she does come right away from everything else without nathan evans really going for because he knows from about following more than not that he's on the second best horse and isn't hard on her and so she could use all beer for mark revelead to witness saw race. She needs to improve to be hostile in it most really for that level race on thick of four fi reflection of that if she drifts a toll a might say mike is very much a borderline bet. Right you all fancy in the three ten. Beverly another five fell onto your contests. The continent's two year old trophy and we've got a favorite from kevin run shot in the form of ryan's party at five two two five. He's mercurial saint price that gatekeepers saying press tipperary sunset eleven to straits of moyle and seventy one robe john sa- just the six runners but it says competitive as an i five mamo kaethe. Fancy says about avenue bed race union. there's nothing particularly. Come out and celia definitely going to be only back in. Just make a mention for one. Detroit on the states vol just to life. People be aware might think baby industry knows is quite unpressurised. Owners tanked target mysteries especially with our fos to utilize so this won't be a deliberate ploy. Here there's the five these of the first time will be entirely planned suspect so i'm not backing him unless the money really comes alive the the fact that he is making his with a horse as resulting five years earlier just says to me. He's an intriguing. One are but i couldn't recommend about nothing. Nothing beyond just noticed. Interestingly ten years ago. Gabriel one nine. He's just retired well. Great aussie was okay. Cao's if you've got strong here now is impossible grammar strong room. I did degrees of promises. i was quite interested in straits. As as gas about you know the ones that run on the way to tipperary and some wanna appleton and obviously handled the ground because it was good to solve. They're still you know he hung a little bit too so he was still pretty green but he got don and i think a lot from that and again. It's a bit of guess up. Isn't it races particularly like seeing on the tv to block on big. Andy capp perks they. It's all the saw one. The windsor castle grande for years ago. So reason won't hand deeper would last time handicap. You say sir coming up three forty five at beverly seven and a half firms bet three six five handicap. Nine to four favorite is sip back. Give it an teddy six to one. Fifteen gallup line nine to on broken spare eleven swam barnes choice and queen sergeant and twelve right and you wanted to be handicapped. You walk big. Handicap kept in terms of the failed and the congestive. It's a competitive race. You know obviously The risings a bit down log a week before the darby the sign of the week before last group. I mean this is a. This is a competitive race and shocking. So you gotta get stuck into. I think there is nothing particularly special about sebok's length win over the last time and added about one next time. But you know she's up four pound. That was on good ground. She ran on soft ground Twice last photons. You're sixty five five When she got bieber eighteen to one show at least tumble something nine pound in the white since winning that race. So she's of course remarks on the ground since the twelfth of my mouth. Johnson's is two winners. From seventy six dollars two thirds of which were in single figure prices. So there's not like lows loden lopez. He you know he'll bounce back at some time. But i mean if you want to pack a lot around to completely off your rocker you gotta play against it. There's a few of these between him and the one. I wanna back who've bit to approve on ground and i think mark graham wilford w mama mama isn't he was. He was pretty good a couple of seasons ago. You wanna handicapped with ninety five. He was in three good handicapping in southern heavy granite cleveland. The bio missed the whole of last year. And he's had three runs back he didn't he hasn't come close to repeating phone. I thought we would have been ripping long time. one motif also granted. I don't kinky gets that trip when the ground is shocked is coming back to a trip. More like it. And i think he's likely to be crises. Dad's of eighty seven. Now is not your vote. So you know might be on the downgrade arkansas within the rice this year and the isn't isn't a great one and it might be okay. Walrus kills at around about twelve to one case who. You're going to go full of come betty costa taken the diametrically opposite buick some quite symbolic in short price. But the the against all the exposed on the ground is over that note. That is a is too good hop siblings. Booth run their best races on soft and heavy ground so i was tempted to see. You know that this was. This was all pentagon a little last testing but an off price to think australia buying some big thing. Isn't it that yet. He is extremely short. But i thought it was. Because i didn't see awful behind. Fonzie did you refer to these sources old mark. Expose the absolutely terribly. He's i'd height month. Pride and joy was that kate. That's very not might never might right. Thank you very much ships the final. Itv rice on saturday takes place at chester. To forty and against seven and a half photons is the type plus page more at tote dot coda. uk handicap is across to wide open. Another batty's nine. Two sows at all. Edge is six two one bordman. It's nine to one. Hey jones e. nine one kings night. Ten swan is on twelve to one. Tanta leo and via serendipity fourteen bar kaethe view on this catch are going to have i mean base especially when he joins us the lead politiques to half couldn't lead last time at york. At least mr martin one so we took the half could be more aggressive. Generally you know might be missing not bump trying to out. He's only only one working last cutie. Gone by news and you can all join install the at chester. And he's all this follows. I would be very surprised. Instructions to nichols one blast out and see what he does. You might melt handicapped to win. He's a horse the sewer when he does get to lead to these joining chester nine. One i just that chance talk s. He's not really neat white plan. I'll tell you why here are. He's full figures. Lost wants to his ten runs. Sixteenth twenty four fifteenth of twenty two twenty second twenty three first of twenty two nine thousand hundred twenty seven eighteenth twenty four twelve of twenty one fifth of six and sixteenth. Eighteen is all or nothing isn't about chosen to give a little bit more than a theory of leagues or hawks. So yeah very much between absolutely kills. What if he sussed for us here. Raises many obese runs for mayor another full boom actually up to ten pound on issue with him as he does start slowly so he can. I find the forces in front of him straight away. I think and i see another part. Because you've probably the two weeks ago and still wear handicap. The actual detract anxiety trump's drawn and truck through the artist alexander james. Now it's a big leap in the dark. I run for michael. Appleby haven't been running in france by. He's enlisted when two years ago and he was listed twice last year and he hasn't run that well in a couple of start some this spring that was in good company in france at one of these devices on another reasonable conditions. And he's coming have haven handicapped mountain. Have ninety one. That's way but way below his best form Gracie's prominently so it might might just be able to Get goo position from the on. Michael appleby really gruber those china's and might be suffering a little age. Why trump exit mention horse. Because i just just didn't. Quite god's to up i am. I think this would this year from the capital as me to become. Here's this go. Between by mozelle new person even was l. at crombie base treatments for creek buckingham as it might be interesting for some time this ship. Okay that's alexsandr giants. That's the tv action done and dusted. Let's see what else two boys fence this weekend. Be sure to watch racing. Post live with. Bet fair for racing reaction. Tips and discussion live every saturday afternoon on the racing. Post youtube channel. Welcome back. it's the racing post weekend postcards. Bruce millions and paul kelly and case melrose looking at what. We've got away from the tv cameras on satiety. Packed card got caught. No we got haydock punchestown in Beverly catch chester fossils and salisbury loads to choose from kills. What have you got for us. yeah i can't have must've us the lows racing low to average racing. There was one high volume to find it. And tell me we have to have these saturday's done we mean just the way the program is always be stellar. Cut next week haven't we. We've got a competitive arises on the tv. It's bad it's not. It's not as high classes as you as you normally get. I think if some maxi is fit on his first run as a three year old. Been gelded for trying to dr yeoman. Right back with from conduct Hide off in the four. Oh five could still be a fair amount seconds. Go ahead go be neck on heavy ground. Don't during his final stops odi. The ground is no issue tool because that was a career. Best for the time being goaded these shown any sort of improvement big i just drink connections and king rife and tomorrow four to one show now. Is that if you kills a millionaire. Does that mean you only tomorrow. Can i have one bare outside the. It stuff the question really frogs and tennis wherever cates vehicle. Would the clubs many bets off the. Tell me on this. One of fiftieth chest on. Because i think the photo is going to be monop- chester isn't if he fifty cut me get sightings a feud on the prices heaters asana bonds. Now this coming by one of our hurdles over the formerly one orissa the goal. We festival for weld tweet. Nineteen at was this season. Williams over hurdles. Right of arnold. It's about one hundred nineteen yards without a horse on the fly. Combat fought lost tehran. In the very warm progifter soames finished lasco's east awfully on basically citizens be just stay. Didn't follow just sort of gave up. Once a horse was was going to finish new media to slam us welcome to capital forbes. Recent as december when he was second to kings chelmsford. Who's going to be miles better than not metal. Just think this is a horse. That especially chess w can just bostonian horse attempts to meet running and that meet all when he went to go away. this think. trump's gonna suit definitely on a good mark. I just think not sort of prices. He's twenty two. What i bought them already as simply simply generous. That wasn't the very strongest university for degrees. And i'm going to be one of the of says well salisbury. I've talked to that. Green assess before i think could cost the up before the horse that is going to win a few st races but some are finished second to sue the channel whose at horses utterly choctaw grena sensors a little bit leave behind might just be a horse. He's got papa for. I think he's gonna keep improving this year so i'm going to be back in green stands again at seoul's i'm really fancied him lost fifty one mother one day. I'm going to has absolutely okay. Well let's do the naps. Now then will not be. Start with paul kelly. How stay in the first race at haydock which is being one forty five. Thank you very much indeed. Indeed and cates melrose yet four fifteen catholic as one of those stab. North of sixty five is called big field. Fourteen but as fiber sexy. You could lead. He finds some. You know the usual horses done it. Four five eighty four million. Four date you can you into galveston might entitled the not. We can't find cnn. Because the horses another one last titans are all going to be quite popular. Potentially clifftop heaven. Bala neil of though i just excel says as long as the most interesting this is gone. It's what the last two for done. A got thomas. Great tricks up your clothes quite hundred is good for seaports trucks. Aglow thank captured coming. The suit cadre begs bike horse. That might just captured much. But he's not going to be a babes by courses gonna really get back. Once you get ruling. And sam says it's just too much for fun. Clifftop heaven last time. One rumor hampson. The bucket told you what was happening. Not decided welcomes boot not was his big day so yes absences just looks far more a mostly prices on the street shared by mind will be both all towards the top of the bay celsius for me should be here. Okay thank you very much indeed and by the way if you want to follow the right thing live in really fun. False way tune into water. Shout gripe showing from the rising price david and hosts that that is always really really good valley. Right then on. It's not stella saturday in it's not really a stellar sunday. Either we've got unprincipled group one. In long sham is a span is delays. Pronounce need to go. It's jumped racing folk kelso and you talks to plus navon punchestown in and kills as anything. Grabbed your attention for sunday at yet wrong. There's one rice is actually good good really competitive any choice. You talk to other clock choice memorial to stanley kong who earned lured grinding. Grand national decorate folks owned is relatively of course and anyways fifty seven to two and a half mark loss to joyce thirty grand the to defend what is and not fit. Allan king has horses just really so. This is another one on the flat. You're wherever whatever hurdles is one free of his ten choices and he would turn off after one. Hundred fifty is off to run this but newton abbot and he was two lengths third to court. The king tells the story because he was hampered by but at the second last impre- much of an easy time off to donald. It'll because he stumbled when he was hampered and he was never gonna win but he pretty much finished on the broadway looking. Good form of himself. It's probably handicapped roy up to his limit to be fair but he loves good ground. Strong is Around at the sedation. Rice that doesn't intend to one. You can get fit ox anything for you. On sunday case. I've center before it another one of likely fever albeit about what to get beat by the horse against it yet but it was actually fifty seven. It you talk. This pistol won his last couple. But i think this horses is a horse. Just billy snowfields. He's got tons piece. I don't think any team run. Arkin pie cut suit home. He's been narrowed fever. I'll be able to look at the streets to try and fight against kills dunga just think pistol whipped own. He's taking over fifty percent up to this last week. You said there was an intriguing rice and you weren't quite sure who you're gonna take but he would take one and you would tweet it. Did you remember to do. I was prompted an vector jerry. And got i was annoyed myself and obviously casula. John villages talked about earlier. Beats a sense lost. Souls'billie won the race horses again was nicholas wailed bread. It's phoned his feet boundary by putin fonsi. Christ that's explained that action all behind why looking at last week due to. How do i afford interesting horses. And now one of them would be to buy them up. Got wrapped up to the window fonsi price but it's all we can go around concept and it was just the most interesting horse. One china will win again k. Kale's just talk your brains from last night again. Israel holds that. Caught your eye at san than you think might be worth sticking g racing post trunka glenn permission. I backed into first race to the now team. Something also find fish fit in the first. I think he's go rice in shoot tools. Yeah joe two screams girls who ran on again in the end and in the end. I think i think you wear rice. Did you take tim. didn't you saw it back on. Get they get it just stayed on on is not one of those goals. Is tony female. Solve on the fringes. The later but didn't quite get involved. Yeah remarked he might. He might come to a fraternity. Either is good trying to get the best out of a million I forgot one bottle right back to saturday. Catra to the zimbabwe just following Just not the line lost on Joking about a five flow. The real heavy graham specialist were joan she okay. Ku focal ponsa. Not these days particularly in. So you're not looking foods. The year is in any way shape. Perform tend to attend all. Play on the big tournaments. Yeah but i would say of approaching trepidation given the scope of qualified the first tv. With the last scotland qualified for one. Oh my goodness and kills. You'll w probably yeah. it's not. we're not having pets. 'cause i gotta listen you me know that. Yeah absolutely. you're both rice and experts but if you need some football expertise make sure you get the racing post on thursday visits a fantastic seventy two page. European championship supplement is a real belcher. I continue do not miss that right. I tell you what i guys who by the solely these piccola yea absolutely thousands of extra copies l. Me it's amazing a suggestively. You're always got caffeine from john. 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Okay sorry case. What do you think so. Unfortunately in the last fifteen months but asking my doors got to happen tika places on weekends so that's already morning by this off young young. Where are you going the morning then. What classics play. She tightened since you go market national trust properties ordering soft play areas with no she. She's got a she's got an acting class. She goes taker lovely exit an afternoon. Go to the puzzle to make recruiting near be has a licensed two lupin late twenty days a year as far since the pandemic coming up. So i'm definitely again and it's not the magic thing is nobody walk. Faint magic rockaway before palace plight. How does phil. what a place. That is every in hottest field. That is a superb price. That definitely isn't it's a central diamond so suburb but still you because of magic quite a bit of our abused arriving soon sooners. Kwena luby's all over the place. And being. So when i go to replace beautiful now before you go chaps you might want to give you a tip. You might not want to give you a tip yet. Shape officers said saturday. Week is darby day. Kills which way you leaning at the moment I think probably the joy. I just think that was impressive. Win wasn't it ellipse now I gather i got up from Reports that i know expecting much where ryan mac maxine is not gonna get his ground. I still don't still costly. High definition of course with heart believes for what the bolshoi ballet few the state. Yeah john johnny. Don't feel good enough. Hurricane can worst very well. I will be in the find that might want to end up tipping just a bit contrary and avoid six to four times each definitely. Divide strong fiber voter this quite an interesting rice this case. Hey well tuesday's might have set aside for the people. Conclave darby gone particularly strong year. I would only serve half agree. Mckee was on on the high definition. Thing no i think. I think that's going to be a good horse this year. Baugh dog is going to be his race. So what are these. Mogul japan type. Yeah so choosing. I'm going to spend the going through the. Please just get used to the floor. Excellent thank you very much. They chat thank you so much for listening. Ninety s- here on monday looking back on the weekend looking ahead to the oaks which takes place next friday and friday with back for another racing weekend post gusts with darby day special so we hope you can join us for that.