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Federer vs Nadal - 52 Minutes | 4

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31:07 min | 1 year ago

Federer vs Nadal - 52 Minutes | 4

"It's July six two thousand eight eight oh, two PM. Rafael Nidal is sitting in the players locker room adjacent to Wimbledon centre court staring at the floor in disbelief. He's drenched with sweat his muscles sore from hours of playing maybe the best tennis of his life. And yet he blew it. Blew it in front of his family and friends in front of the crowd of light fans at the All England Club center court in front of the world watching at home, everyone. Here he was after two straight years is the runner up to Roger Federer seconds from breaking through and winning on Wimbledon's fabled grass courts, it could have been a win. That would squarely make him an equal with Roger Federer atop the tennis world and not just some clay court specialist playing the role of thorn in fetters side Rafa had two championship points to finally take home. The most coveted trophy in tennis against Federer nothing less than the best player, maybe ever. And he just couldn't get his strings on a big federa, I serve and then watched maybe v best running back hand ever wizzed by him. Untouched up the line, along with his hopes of winning Wimbledon in that moment. And now he sits. He's nodding, along with his uncle Tony who also can't believe just how close Rafa was to all-time glory. He briefly beats himself up about letting his mind wander to the potential trophy ceremony instead of the point at hand, he could have fully shut the door on Federer and may V tennis statement of the modern era. He was so close but enough is enough. Rafa finally decides to put it all in the past, it's for the best that moment as he sits back and exhales he tries to get into a more positive head space because here's the thing he can sit. And think about all those moments all he wants, but the match isn't actually over. It's just on pause. Delayed by passing storm early in the fifth and deciding set. 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Can design and install a secure smart home just for you? ADT real protection. From wondering, I'm Dan Rubenstein, and this is sports wars. In our last episode Rafael in the doll continued his dominance over Roger Federer on the clay courts of the French Open. It was yet another chapter in Federer's career long struggle to take down Rafa at the French the dull just always seems to be on the other side of the net. And thus always in the way of Federer's ongoing quest to win the career grand slam no matter what happens in Paris. He knows that each year two weeks later. He gets to return to and pad his grand slam. Resume on the always friendly grass of Wimbledon, this is episode four fifty two minutes. It's a month before Wimbledon June eighth two thousand eight the French Open final Rafael Nidal just beat Roger Federer on the red clay of roland-garros for the third consecutive year. This is hardly a surprise. It's the manner in which he did it that sends a message heard around the tennis world with a final score of six one six three six zero. It's a beatdown so humiliating and comprehensive that adult refrains from his usual dance of joy. During the trophy ceremony Nidal says Roger I am. Sorry. It's Federer's worse loss in a grand slam in his entire career. When it's Federer's turn to address the crowd, he simply says we same wa yes, it's me even he's done. That was him out there. He's visibly, humiliated and understandably wants to be anywhere else. We'll know specifically federal wants to be in London with the slick grass under his feet where everything is tennis universe feels right Wimbledon, where he's won five straight tournaments including last year's crazy five center against Rafael Nidal. He'll get his chance at Wimbledon again in two and a half weeks. He thinks if he can win that sixth consecutive title. The world will be back in order. He'll be declared the greatest of all time. What if the dull makes it to the final two and federal loses hill, handover the number? One ranking, and maybe started changing of the guard atop men's tennis. When federal checks into his Wimbledon, hotel, he sees the death watch is on a London. Tabloid runs. The headline his fed dead dead Federer is stunned by the negativity. A-2 Daily Mail. There's a knock at his door. It's Severine looting, his friend and Swiss coach Lucy sees that Federer's not his usual self. He says you need to ignore everything. That's being said, Federer still looks glum. He tells Lucy people are saying he's not gonna win anything anymore. Come on. I'm still here. Deep down, though. Federal knows Rafa is closing the gap between them even here on grass courts. Fetters supposed- turf. He's far from safe. The seems to be the only one who isn't. So certain shirt, he may have won the French Open, but winning both the French Open and Wimbledon in the same year, only two men in the hissed. Of tennis have accomplished that feat the radical changes in surface from clay to grass with just a few weeks to adjust it's practically impossible. It's, it's like asking Olympic runner to win a gold in the marathon, and then turn around and immediately win the hundred meter dash. And then there's Federer he's won twelve career grand slams. Only two behind Pete Sampras's record fourteen. And he's only twenty seven as far as rough is concerned, fed is definitely far from dead in the two weeks. Leading up to the men's final excuse me. Gentleman's championships Federer is pulverizing his side of the draw making his way through the bracket, without dropping a single set. He's one match away from his sixth straight Wimbledon, title his thirteenth career grand slam. One away from equalling Pete Sampras Mark of fourteen. Similarly rough, I on the dull drops only a single set as he. Lays waste to his side of the draw adding an impossible amount of hype to a matchup. Everyone on earth was already demanding the two thousand eight Wimbledon final is played on a Sunday. And because this is England there's rain in the forecast. It's a sold out event and on center court fans are firmly in the camp of one player or the other some are pulling hard for the elegant Federer who attends fashion shows spends winters in the millionaire's paradise of Dubai. Well, the other half relate to the more down to earth Nidal, who loves fishing in the outdoors and lives with his extended family in the house, you grew up. A thunderous roar goes up as Miguel. And Federer step onto the court that annihilation at the last grand slam championship. It's just a month ago that humiliation at the hands of nadeau does that affect federal today as he sees refer- on the other side of the net. That's it's find out. I really think that adds to the fascination Federer's embarrassment in the French final happened just a few weeks earlier. But the TV analysts also agree that Federer after these couple of weeks at Wimbledon looks like the man, they're used to seeing dominate his book has been clinical inefficient and underpinning has been. Insult that he's probably felt big challenge Bina pink questioned by a wider puppet. He's still the best. Fedor is also com as the match is about to begin. He reminds him self again. You don't lose here you beaten adul- on this court just last year. You're still the best player in the world. Especially on this says. Roggio. The fine ready in two thousand eight we got. The match barely begins before the crowd works. It self into a frenzy between two points half. The crowd shouts jerk jer. The other half is screaming wrong fuck. Then everyone falls silent as an adult and Federer gear up for another point. The crowd is willing Rafa to close out the first set but federal saves himself, every time and the crowd responds with equal. Fervor. This is on Ross racket though. He's serving to go up one nothing. And here's the thing historically, the men who win Wimbledon do so behind an overpowering serve on the fast grass. It helps them to set up easy attacking points. But an adult serve is only fine by professional standards. It's one of the main reasons people never thought his game would fully translate to the surface where big servers, like Sampras better. Do have sizable advantage yet. Rough knows his serve works against Federer for the same reason. The rest of his game, does he uses his big leftie spin to kick it up high to Federer's weaker backhand. It's really difficult to handle. So to get a leg up on the five time defending champ. He needs to keep attacking Federer's backhand. He's relentless he works the weakness like a boxer pounding the body before big uppercut. He does it all the way to set point. And then the uppercut a served to Federer's, backhand, Rafa immediately. Another shot to fetters back in. And again, again, and again until Federer dumps groundstroke into the net. The uppercut finally knocks him out. One set and forty eight minutes down Ruffy on the doll is up one set to none. That is cemented strength from the that we've seen it demonstrated old year such amendment has been the dolls improvement that, would you favor. Now, I think I would forty six minutes later with the help of two clutch service breaks Miguel is up two sets to none. One set away from his first ever Wimbledon title. He's mounting. Federal for all his experience pulling out huge matches on gigantic stages has never been forced to fight back from two sets down in a grand slam final ever. But Nidal isn't thinking about a trophy ceremony yet. He tells himself this is Roger Federer anything is possible with the world's best player. The to each have chances to take control of the set. But both manage to barely save themselves multiple times. Then at five four Federer, the skies open and rain delays. Call tarps quickly pulled over the court. The break could not have come at a better time for Federer down two sets tied in the third, you takes his time away from the court to catch his breath and regroup, after an eighty minute break waiting out the rain and dull and Federer begin again, each continues to hold his serve the third set, but it's Federer who refuses to yield after the break. He finishes this third-set tiebreaker off with an emphatic ace crowd goes on. So much of chin as eruption. And it's out of say no disrespect from the Dell but they really want that champion to go down fighting if he's going to go down the fourth set looks a lot like the third and it goes to a tie-break the dollars up for two and remember Federer must win it in order to force a fifth and championship deciding set, and it's his serve both in adults and federal are playing uncharacteristically cautious tennis with Nepal sort of aiding Federer and fighting the urge to go for broke. After fourteen shots back and forth. Federer hits a backhand. He somewhat jammed up and he'll remember this one for as long as he lives. The players friends and family box of relieve but nervous, Tony Nidal turns away from the court knowing his nephew is moments away from victory Bronco tone. Watch any move to east. Coach this young man is net. You since he was full grown up. And he is two points away from the championship, and he was sick. The next two points for the first time mcdonnell's lifelong dream is within his grasp as the doll bounces the ball. He thinks where should I go with this? I serve throughout the match. He's gone to Federer's backhand with pretty consistent success. But now he over thinks it and tries to surprise federal by jamming his forehand and the surf lies long on his second serve Nidal thinks just keep it in don't blow it. But with that meek mindset, he of course, double-faults his conviction is gone on the next point. He nets an easy backhand. And now it's a much tighter, five four Nidal. Even though he's losing at the moment in the tie-break Vedder senses weakness. He immediately rips a forehand, winner of just like that the scores five points a piece this. After an adult had five two with two serves to win the entire turnament point matchpoint from their own end. They trade errors on consecutive points in the crowd swells. After federal sales, another shot long adult can almost taste it. He has a championship point Fedor serves up, a huge ball wide and adult. Can't handle it back to a tie seven on the next two points though. The each dig deep to bring out the best of their games. I the doll on a screaming running forehand to set up another championship point then Federer almost out of nowhere uncorked the backhand of his life. A running winner up the line pass to shock Nidal to save Federer's chances. Tune best posse tournament win. Just taking place on the laws two points. The dull is crushed. He sends a routine backhand return long, and with that Federer has lived to fight another set in a tiebreak. The dull has squandered three three championship points, there even at two sets of peace and the dull knows that he's just gifted his opponent. The most precious of assets hope this is manna from the tennis gods to historic greats slugging it out at a perhaps, never before seen level going to a fifth set after a comeback at Wimbledon, come on. This is amazing and not even another rain delay. This one for only a half hour condemning anyone's anticipation for the home stretch. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go, where hiring is simple fast and smart, a place where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates that place is ZipRecruiter dot com slash sports. Wars, ZipRecruiter sends your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards. 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They have literally and figuratively whether the storm. Dull enters the court. I and he's met with a tidal wave of cheers, the two men will take five minutes to warm up, hitting volleys and groundstrokes back at each other before deciding who will finally take home, the two thousand eight Wimbledon crown. It's midway through the championship fifth set. Federer's ahead four three, and he smells blood. He's in attack mode, and gets to a break point, this could plus the whole thing wide open. Adult serves federal slams, another forehand down the line. You will not see four hands. Panicked. But needle saves it with a forehand back to set up an easy overhead slam. And then another easy forehand winner on the next point to win the game and wash the temporary federal threat as an adult gets into his ready position to receive federal serve. He calmly tells himself, I'm nowhere near the title. But at the same time, I may never be this close again at this point, there are two things. Tree member one, it's getting dark. The match start was delayed. And then there were two in match rain delays, and it's bordering on getting too, dim to see and to this is the fifth set at Wimbledon. There won't be tie-break. The rule is that this thing goes until someone wins by two games. It's federal service game, but an adult comes out firing giving himself multiple break points to try and take control. Suddenly. Federa digs deep to a race. Any doubt landing big as and forces in dull error, but two things are happening at the same time Federer still looks vulnerable, but doesn't noth- to keep the match going and dull is almost able to turn the match in his favor. But can't quite close. The big moments s doesn't adult keep coming back from this disappointment. He has not on the door to time and time again. Adul- loves feeling the pressure the battle the need to win. He still carries the idea that nothing good comes without suffering rough rushes the net and slams overhead. But federal manages to stick his racket out to lob it back deep into the court. The dull cheeses down running backwards never taken his eye off the ball and hits. Another big overhead back to Federer. Who sends it back again before an adult finally puts the point away with a huge cross court for. Hand win. The tennis gets better and better, the crowd, louder louder now at seven games, all Federer, again, gets himself in trouble and needs to fight off a break point. And then another, and then another, not a good sign just threat of beliefs the importance of these points, the way that been played, but both place and then on the dulls fourth break point Federer sends a forehand long in the friends and family box. Nidal's team is pump stand in cheer while in the row in front of them. Federer's guests islands and deflated the players returned to their chairs for the one minute changeover break. Rafa is up. Eight seven in the fifth and deciding set he then jogs onto the court to serve for the title, Federer's, not giving this up easy takes the first point the dull serves again and for the first time in the match follows his serve. Up to the net with a volley a traditional grass court strategy. But one that's usually nowhere to be found in the dolls grinding baseline game. The next point he follows his serve up to the net again, and wins that point as well federal quickly takes the next point. The score is thirty. From his seat in the family box. Tony doll. Can't help himself he stands and calls for his nephew to finish it here, the crowd is hushed as dull serves then the stadium. Federal again ruins dolls hope of victory with a cross court backhand that sends the balls zooming out of reach the doll tells himself believe in the victory. A couple of points later. The doll gets to his fourth championship point of the match. He takes his time and bounces the ball before his latest, most important serve of his life, federal blocks, the serve BAC Natale returns the ball with the fierce backhand Federer struggles to get into position than hits forehand that sends the ball, crashing into the net. After four hours and forty eight minutes. It's over the doll has done it. He's taken the Wimbledon crown and collapses backwards onto the grass, nobody ever thought he could tan. Within moments, the match is immortalized by broadcasters and media members speaking dozens of languages, they call it the greatest match of all time. Can you describe what you felt when you just fell to the floor when you knew that you were the Wimbledon champion while is impossible? Glenn. What, what I felt in that moment? So just very happy for when these title, my favorite tournament for music dream playing this. But the way nine imagine something like this. So we have thank you very much. Everybody. And the fact that you beat Roach heroin sends a cool in on could be one of the greatest finals. We've ever seen does that make this even more special. Sure. You know, window Jackie after five years, I love the last finals close finals, but his number one, he's still the best. He's still five times here on the right now. I have one, so for me is the ball. As the gleaming gold trophy and his hands Fedor gives his rival, discreet friendly tap on the blunt. It's gesture that speaks to their unparalleled come rotary and respect for each other, regardless of who holds the Champions Trophy, and who holds the runner up plate just a short time ago. Nidal was sure he blew the match when he gave away the fourth set tiebreak and gave Federer a glimmer of belief and hope. But here he is holding the most prestigious trophy in tennis finally. Nearby on the court Federer is gutted after five straight titles here. Wimbledon is or was his turf the place at which rough a couldn't top him federal has been number one in the world now for years. But this loss could soon give Rafa a claim to that title when announcer hall of fame player John McEnroe interviews, Federer, after he steps off the court Federer is fighting back tears, Roger, first of all just say, thank you, as a tennis player that you allowed us to be part of this amazing spectacle. I mean is that any consolation little bit? Thanks, John nuts. It's tough stuff that six weeks later federal loses the number one ranking he's held onto since February two thousand four. The number one is Rafael Nidal, who goes on to achieve another one of his dreams over the summer, he wins the Olympic gold medal and singles. So even though it's not the full press predicted changing of the guard Roger Federer is no longer the undisputed king the conversation about greatest ever still goes on. But it's rough on the doll. Who's on top of the tennis world right now. And the thing with this rivalry, though, neither stays down for long needle may be number one, and it's taken Federer longer than usual to get over the match live months later at the US open in New York, federal wins his thirteenth career grand slam title. Maybe because they didn't have to play Rafa for once, and by the way, it's his fifth, US, hope and win in a row. He's now one away from tying Pete Sampras for the most grand slams of all time. Federal would love nothing more than to take home the title. But to do, so he'll probably again have to go through who else rough. AL nidal. In our next episode we discussed the greatest match ever played in more detail with bestselling author, John worth the two thousand eight Wimbledon final is the high point of the Federer, adul- rivalry, and there's really just a lot more to unpack with the author of strokes of genius. We'll talk about the lasting legacy of both this incredible match and the Roger Federer rough AL Nidal rivalry itself. Subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify google. Todd cast wondering dot com or ever. You're listening to this right now. If you're listening on a smartphone tap, or swipe over the cover art of this podcast, you'll find the episode notes and some offers from our sponsors by supporting our sponsors, you help us offer this show for free, if you like what you've heard we'd love for you to give us a five star rating and tell your friends, how to subscribe another way to support us to answer a short survey at wondering dot com slash survey and tell us what. Sports wars stories you'd love to hear and a quick note about the conversations you've been hearing. We can't know exactly what was said. But this dialogue is based on our best research. 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Federer vs Nadal - The Raging Bull | 2

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31:09 min | 1 year ago

Federer vs Nadal - The Raging Bull | 2

"It's June third two thousand four Rafael Nidal's eighteenth birthday, but Rafa is out to a big dinner with family or partying with friends. He's in Paris quietly walking through the twenty one acre grounds of Roland Garros. The tennis complex where the French Open is played Madala is six foot one with perfect posture and shoulder-length hand he striking as he slowly limps through the crowd. He attracts the curious stares of tennis fans. No, he's somebody just aren't exactly sure who. But he's oblivious to the attention. He's lost in his thoughts. Trying to ignore the injury. That's making this slow walk even more painful since beating Roger Federer in Miami. He's been sidelined nursing stress fracture. He can't play became even practice. He's been limping like this for two months. He's about to burst with pent up energy last week at home in my orca. He watched the first week of the two week long. French Open on TV laid up on his own couch. It's been driving him crazy. Watching the best players in the world from afar guys, he's dying to face. It's his friend and agent Carlos Kosta, a former top ten player himself who got an adult off the couch and onto a plane to Paris to see the tournament firm self costs wants him to get his first in person look at the French Open. The holy mecca of clay court tennis. It's a birthday gift, but Nidal doesn't feel festive. He wants to be on the clay sliding around and crushing. Forehands not limping around the grounds as a spectator. So Nidal finds a seat. Just a few rows back from the court today. It's a sold out crowd for one of the quarterfinal matches. And as the players take the courts Rafa thinks he should be out there after ten minutes watching the action Rafa is clearly ANSI and tells Kosta he has to leave Kosta pats on the back. And of course, this is Spanish I understand when you can't play. It's too painful to watch. Kosta quickly guides him out of the stadium on the sidewalk outside a ten year old kid approaches and tells nodal that he loved the way he played in Miami against Federer three months earlier and ask the young Spaniard. If he has any advice for them, Nidal, smiles and ruffles the boy's hair with his hand learn to enjoy suffering. Trust me, that's the key. For the next year. Nadal will suffer a lot to get his chance. Not just on the clay court of the French Open. But again against the world's best player that player Roger Federer. But answering this aside the trip is made middle smile if he had tried to play through the injury. He would not have one and probably would have just made the injury worse by missing this year's tournament. Nidal certain that when he does play in the French Open at full strength. He will win it. All. If you're looking to build a website, but you've been putting it off. Maybe you don't know where to start or think it's going to be outrageously expensive. 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In our last episode, a Spanish teenager named Rafael Nidal burst onto the professional scene and stunned the world's best player Roger Federer. Now with the budding rivalry the dolls looking to prove his win over Federer was no fluke Federer tries to capture the career grand slam. This is episode two raging bull. It's June third two thousand five the day Rafael Nidal turns nineteen and one year since his trip to the French Open as a spectator tennis's clay court season begins in mid April each year. It's a run of clay court tournaments largely in Europe that begins in Monte-Carlo goes on to Spain. And Italy and ends with the French Open. Adult is now healed and on a twenty four maj winning streak on his preferred surface. Time again. He's dumb Monday Cada. He's shot up to number five in the world. He dominates on clay knocking off the last two French Open champs on his way to winning all three of the major tune of events for tennis annual grand slam on clay, the French Open. His big leftie forehand has quickly become one of the tours most dangerous shots. But as powerful as his forehand is it's his relentless killer instinct, not letting up for a single point that earns him, a new nickname raging bull. So the region goals dominance on clay has continued through the first five rounds of the French Open all the way to the semis. Now. The bull is about to face the best player in tennis, Roger Federer. They've each beaten the other once federal vengeance. Adults upset win in Miami by beating him there this year and doing it in the final and today the pressures ramped way up from Miami. It's their first meeting ever in a grand slam tournament. This is a big day for RAF, not only is. Play his best surface. But it still wasn't that long ago that he was rooting for Federer while watching him on TV an adult can't wait to get started. By this point federal has won four grand slams the last two Wimbledons and the two thousand four US and Australian Opens, but he's yet to win the French let alone make it to the final not winning. The French is the only real noticeable hole on fetters resume now, though he has a chance to do just that against Rafael Nidal who at six AM shoots out of bed in his small Parisian hotel room. Nidal opens a jar of Natella and slathers it onto a slice of bread with three more hours till he can take to the practice court. He fires up his PlayStation place. Fiefdom? His favorite way to at least distract himself. And relax. A few short blocks away in his luxurious posh hotel, suite Roger Federer is still sleeping a quarter tonight. When he wakes up, his girlfriend Mirka calls room service and orders his favorite breakfast. Freshly made waffles top with a warm fruit compo Federer eats breakfast while slowly flipping through the sports section of a French newspaper. He's eager but not super nervous about today's match. The world's number one is focused on his place in history. Not the kid who got lucky last year against him in Miami. If he wins, the French Open this weekend, he'll become just the sixth man ever to win each grand slam tournament in the span of his career that means mastery on hardcourt grass and clay, and yes, there are tennis greats who've won Wimbledon as well as the US and Australian Opens, but they've come up short in Paris for greats like Pete Sampras or John McEnroe. Jimmy, Connors Boris Becker, and Stefan Edberg the slow red clay was their nemesis. None of them could figure out how to adjust their game for roland-garros. Not one of them has the career grand slam that Federer seeks most recently in the nineties Sampras used his mammoth serve and forehand to win a record fourteen grand slam titles, but his best showing at the French Open was a loss in the semis. The Klay just slows down the ball and causes it to bounce higher. Lengthening the points. And gaining the advantage of big servers like Sampras, but federal knows how to adjust his game and play well on clay after all as with many European players. It's the surface he grew up on in Switzerland. So as he picks them fruit off, his second, waffle and checks watch. He sees he's just a few short hours away from his chance to secure his place among the greats with only one obstacle in the way, rough AL Nidal. It's now two hours before the match Nidal is in the players dining room, sitting across from his uncle, Tony a constant presence in Rafah's life to help keep him grounded in focused, for example. Tony makes Ruffa hall his own massive racket bag around the grounds. Something other top players would delegate to somebody else on tour. Adult is known to be humble away from the court, but unwaveringly confident on it. And now the closer the match gets to start time the more he feels nerves, but also he knows in his bones that he can beat federal today in go on to win the title now as he leaves the dining room, he's a wear that Federer's seated just several tables away an adult lowers his eyes to avoid making any contact usually they're friendly enough. But today is matchday Federer. Meanwhile, is in the middle of the strict prematch routine plate of pasta covered in light sauce to be eaten. Exactly two hours before each match. He turns. His new coach Tony Roach. A sixty year old Austrailian former player who himself on the French Open back in nineteen sixty six Roach was specifically hired to help Federer here at the French tournament at which fetters lost in the first round three times already in his young career. Federal swirls pasta around his fork revealing a little more nervous energy than usual. So Roach gives him a cliche, but useful reminder just play each point Roger one by one don't think about anything else. They agreed that Nidal is going to target. His backhand, just like he did in Miami. But they also agree that federal can get his backhand going early against null serve or longer rallies on the slow clay, it might just throw in a dollar off his game plan, but a few good early backhands against Rafael Nidal is easier said than we'll have live up to all the expectations the best player in the world against the rising. Roffe on the dull this great city of pairs is it's now early evening when Fedor and the doll arrive on court at Felipe shot tree. The main stadium of the French from the cheers that greet each of them. There's no doubt that between the young Spaniard making his role on Garo. Stay in play Capri pants, no less and the more familiar champion in Federer, the fifteen thousand on lookers strongly favor. Federal will be federal on the line open this in my final. How about that? Kidding me rate serve ally. The transition for him and the Dow on the dead run with the clean winner. Holy mackerel. The crowd goes silence. When the doll opens the match by breaking Federer's serve to win the game. If not that federal is serving any worse than usual in adult. Just playing good clay tennis patiently standing far beyond the baseline. So when federal biggest serves finally get to the ball has slowed down enough that he has time to position himself perfectly to send it back with just as much pace in Federer's startled by the power of doll strokes on clay. He's never experienced anything like the Dulce huge left. Arm sets his strokes rotating at an astounding thirty three hundred revolutions per minute. That's seven hundred RPM than Federer shots. So instead of federal trying to get his racquet on a sphere. Like, he always does. It's like trying to return spinning or razor blades federal quickly realizes that playing on clay is nothing like playing him on a hardcourt Federer's powerful shots the corners. Would be winners on hard courts or on grass, but an adult scurries this way that way or slides into them and hits them back their rallies going to twenty strokes or more the Dow's not afraid of Fedor as a lot of players are understandable, adult is remarkably strategic in patient. The kid looks like a pirate with his hair flowing from his headband is sleeveless green shirt. White clam digger Capri pants, but like a season veteran. He carefully sets up one point after another pushing Federer well outside his comfort zone when adult wins big points. He leaps into the air pumps, his fist. Then he returns to earth and grinds away as the sequence begins again. Why the Dow? The way he controls them. Edible topspin on that shot over the net. Boast mazing swing? Fetters? Now starting to understand white everyone saying the doll is the next big thing. In tennis, ending nailed it when saying he's got the stamina of an ox sherpa. He's sweats a lot, but he never seems out of breath. Never seems to get time. So yeah, federal is starting to get light in the dolls. Clay court game has been called, quote, a one man cavalry charge. The dull breaks Federer serve four times. Four to take the opening set sell out house shots for. Hey. They're they're shocked into almost silence. They're wondering what is happening. I'm not at all shocked that how well Dallas come out at handle the occasion, clearly Fedor is not himself at the moment. Then as clouds gather over the court, a sprinkling of rain suddenly becomes a downpour. So to be clear, a rain delay is an advantage for the player who's behind which in this case is clearly Federer it gives them a break a chance to regroup away from the court federal goes to a corner of the locker room. He's taking deep breaths trying to calm down. He tells himself. It's only one set got plenty to go. Don't worry, you're fine. Tony Roach comes to the locker room to talk with federal there's no on-court coaching allowed in tennis. But a rain delay allows for a visit from your coach. So Roach start suggesting new approach but federal cuts them off right away. I already know what to do. I've gotta get more balls to his backhand. I can't get into a rhythm. If that's all these hitting in another part of the locker room out of federal site. It alls drinking water running in place and listening to his favorite music. It's an unusual choice for a nineteen year old Spaniard the Broadway score for phantom. The opera but the soaring instruments and voices. Inspire him as one top player. Tries to calm down. The other tries to stay amped up. Eventually, the rain subsides and the two players returned to the court fifteen thousand fans wonder, we'll the delay. 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Some again federal pushes the second set score to five games to one. Now, it's an adult who suffering usually he's the most positive players, but his shoulders, are drooping has growl. As furrowed jaws clenched, the dolls response to taking a big hit double down on what he's most comfortable hitting back twice as hard. And adding in some of his trademark crap thinks the Spaniards then changes gears from his huge, powerful, groundstrokes and sense delicate little dropshot over the net federal racist for it. But the change of pace surprises him great show. Hm? So faced with losing the set. Now doll refuses to go quietly for now, the fifth time he breaks Federer's serve than takes a running leap into the air pumping his big left arm by the time. Federal finally takes the second set. The doll has clot out four games. And as we fast forward to the third set. A federal forehand is called long it happens, but middle points to where the ball just landed on the line, and you can see it marked on the clay. It was in and ask the unpire to replay the point in the name of fairness the crowd, of course, is eating it up. They love the respectful competition, but it costs Nidal he ends up losing the game as per usual. Nidal refuses to lose. He wins one game. Then another an as no dolls conviction grows federal can feel his hopes for securing the career grand slam in the next couple of days slipping away, he's handled Federer sprays forehands hands out. He loses his serve for a ninth time. For him. That's a record and then reverting to his old temperamental self. The Swiss champion begins yell at himself. He slams his head on his racquet on the other side as shadow spread across the court adult place each shot with a ravenous appetite for tennis destruction one game from his biggest and most important victory ever adult. Jogs onto his side of the court. Federal meanwhile, looks weary as slowly walks to the baseline almost immediately adult officially gets to match point. And after a somewhat long rally that features doll reeling. His strokes the match just started federal sends a forehand deep, and that's it Rafa has taken down Roger Federer, the world's number one at the French Open. The burs. After hours and hours Ruffa has defeated Federer and secured his place in the French Open. Final. Meanwhile, federal is bitterly disappointed the later when he's talking to his coach federal admits that it's a learning experience that next year he will know how to beat him as for an adult after the match. He knows just what to wish for as he blows out the nineteen candles on the big chocolate birthday cake. The tournament director arranged for him. He said he would win the French Open on his first try and in two days time, he'll have a chance to make that confident pledge reality. Maybe the doll should be nervous. But somehow he is feeding Fedor has given the dull of the thing he needs most a whole new level of belief in himself and just like that two days later, Rafael Nidal is the French Open champion. He's ecstatic. The best moment of his career. It's the best day of his life. And he couldn't have gotten here without going through federal. Earn the hardware. Rough Ilna Nidal is officially a grand slam champion just like he promised himself. He would be. But one isn't good enough. He wants to do it again. That night after dinner with his family and a few bottles of champagne toasts Nidal returns to his hotel holding the trophy tightly in both arms feeling relaxed and relieved his agent Carlos Kosta joins them for a late night. After party chat. Rough tells him again in Spanish, I think I'm going to be looser. Now, there's just there's less pressure. In this moment. Kosta doesn't want to let him in on the reality of what this now means that winning a grand slam will amp up the pressure. Not relieving. The next morning cost goes to the hotel restaurant over breakfast. He finds the dolls Tony seated at a table putting together a list he asked him, Tony. What is that trying to remember everything off a needs to fix from yesterday? Maybe don't tell them this today. No, he has to know while it's still fresh. So Tony invites nephew and the French Open champion to his hotel room. Then he takes out his list and reads it to them the dull stands before them, listening politely and saying, okay. Okay. Okay. In his head though. He's thinking come on. I literally just won the French Open. It's now four weeks later federal wins. Third. Wimbledon title, dispatching American Andy Roddick in straight sets in New York. He wins his sixth grand slam title by beating the legendary Andre Agassi in the final of the US open. Enforces Federer is unstoppable. It seems that no one can beat him. No one except Nidal. But for a dull the joy of winning. The French is quickly followed by more suffering five months after his victory in Paris. He's hobbled by a mysterious foot injury. His left foot is swollen in the sharp bursts of pain. Make it impossible to play even. Impossible to walk. It's now his second foot injury. And this time the road to recovery it's tougher life. As Rafa knows it on tour has screeched to a halt. So as weeks go by with no solution site, he becomes increasingly desperate. He talks to his father Sebastian and since the injury Sebastian has set aside his own work to commit his entire life to his sons recovery. They stays by rough aside he takes his son to doctors all of whom have no answers. Finally, they find a specialist offers a diagnosis. The doll has a very rare condition the formed bone and the bridge of his foot. It's bad. The doctor tells adult he may never play competitive tennis again. That night. Adult can't sleep is father stays up to try and calm down his distraught. Son, rough tells his father can't imagine getting healthy enough to play like he's used to. And that it's getting impossible to picture the light at the end of the tunnel. Rafa? It will take time. But you must keep your head in a strong place. You'll come out of this. I promise you. Weeks later Nidal goes to his practice court. He hits a few balls. But then the pain comes back defeated. He goes home days later after more pain and more struggles Tony tells him come on Rafa. Let's go out and train. Adults confuse he's on crutches. But Tony tells them to sit in a chair, and he begins hitting balls and adult while the young Spaniard seeded rough thinks it's a crazy idea. But as he sits in a chair hitting balls back to Tony each day is dark mood begins to lighten when the two thousand six season begins adult is still at home recovering in my orca. He's out of the chair, but he's still not Rafa. He's not the flash of energy that beat Roger Federer with the world watching not even close then though little by little improvement. The injury is healing as mysteriously as it occurred. Nedal then sets his sights on returning an early March tournament in Dubai tournament. Federer has won the past three years. It'll be the ideal place to once again confront his rival in Dubai Nidal. Looks and feels good. He reaches the final where confident federal waits for and keep in mind Dubai. Played on hardcourt. This is Federer's domain. In the first set federals firing shots from everywhere. His service unreturnable the doll is not ready for this. So after federal easily takes the opening set six to an adult slumps in his chair at the site of the court. It reminds him of his long recovery, but also the dole realizes he has nothing to lose. Why not just be more aggressive returning Federer? He'll put heavier topspin on his forehand. And boom, the strategy works. The dull wins the second bills. Even more confidence into the third and deciding set dolls power is back Rafa is back. He wins the match and now feels a new sense of gratitude the suffering. He's dealt with has led him to this emotional victory sitting in his chair. Again, he covers his face with his towel and weeps. Uncontrollably. As an adult accepts the trophy, the announcer. Definitely isn't missing the chance to talk about beating Federer Rafa stays humble. As he holds back is emotions trying his best to answer English. So somebody Fabio. I I. Looking forward to playing him many many times, I'm sure to create a real rivalry between the top two players. I don't know. Now that I'm going to one sure the the best. Yes, federal is still the clear number one in the world. And he's still untouchable to everyone else on the tour, but a few feet away on the court still sweating from the match Fedor is finding again. And again that one player gets under his skin. Unlike any other there's only one way he thinks to beat Nidal on clay as federal puts it he's gotta figure out a way to crack the code, and what better place to crack it the next grand slam event where they duked it out just a year earlier, the French Open. In our next episode Federer and the doll battle for grand, slams and tennis glory. Many are saying that their rivalry is the greatest in sports. The thing though, is they like each other get along that is until they don't from wondering this is sports wars. Federal versus adul- episode, two new episodes of sports wars come out every Wednesday and Friday, please subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify Pandora a river. You listen to podcasts you'll find a link to subscribe on the episode notes, simply tap or swipe over the cover. You'll also see some offers from our sponsors, please consider supporting our show by supporting them. If you like what you've heard we'd love for you to give us a five star rating. 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Federer vs Nadal - Suffering and Perfection | 6

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Federer vs Nadal - Suffering and Perfection | 6

"It's January thirtieth two thousand nine and stray. Leeann open in Melbourne Park. It's ninety five degrees sweltering hot, especially five hours and five sets into a grueling match with no end in sight. Sweat, drips off the tip of Rafael Nadal's knows soaking his shirt, and headband as he stares down his opponent for Nando ver- desk. Oh, who is ranked fourteenth in the world Nidal is the number one player. He's desperately trying to somehow outlast desk. Oh and get some much needed rest, if he pulls out the semi-final he'll face Roger Federer in the final. A new episode of the greatest show in tennis, and won. Everyone's dying to see. Adults takes deep breath and gets in position to serve four all in the fifth set. He leans back throws the ball in the air and. Two miles away in an air conditioned hotel, suite Roger Federer is, is ING his knee, and watching the dull struggle in the heat Federer won his own semi-final last night easily taking out American Andy Roddick like countless others is very good in just historically hopeless against Federer. It makes sense that federal would root against an adult to give him the easiest path to the title, especially now that he's one away from tying Pete Sampras career record of fourteen what he knows that to be the true king of the sport. He has to beat the best to where the undisputed crown, but it's looking very tight for an Dahl right now, ESPN's Chris Fowler marvels at the players impossible endurance in what is longest match ever played at the stralia and open today. Finally at one fifteen in the morning. The adul- almost gives up three chances on match point, but takes the marathon on a brutal dascomb double-fault and then collapses backward onto the court exhausted, he then drags himself up steps over the net and embraces his fellow Spaniard as he heads to his chair. He so worn down. He can barely stay upright. The match only finished seconds ago, but every tennis fan in the world is already looking ahead to the matchup. They always want on the sport's biggest stages. Roger Federer I Rafael Nadal, the not so good news for Daal, even though he has to somehow find a way to beat. Maybe the best player ever he can barely move. And the match is just forty two short hours from now. If you're looking to build a website, but you've been putting it off. Maybe you don't know where to start or think it's going to be outrageously expensive. It's time you got to know wicks dot com with wicks you can create a stunning professional website all by yourself. 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But after Federer won the two thousand eight US open without facing dull the next major the two thousand nine Australian Open also on hardcourts looks like the perfect place for federal to reverse Nidal's momentum and win a record tying fourteenth grand slam title. As for Rafa he's still looking to prove he can beat Federer anywhere anytime on any surface, and in the decade after a time when age in new generation of great players should be slowing them down. We'll either be able to definitively lay claim to the title. Best of all time, this is episode five suffering and perfection. Ruffy on the doll usually trains in the morning, the day before a final, but on his off day after beating for over Daska he sleeps until mid afternoon, waking up even stiffer than he felt at the end of the match. He needs to loosen up fast. He's got just twenty six hours until he has to play again this time against his rival Roger Federer welna. Dull has beaten Federer on grass and clay, his new goal is to beat his rival on Melbourne's hardcourts to defeat him in slam finals on all three major surfaces. But before he can do that. He's got to be able to, you know, move after finally gets to the stray open compound, his hitting partner slash friend slash agent. Carlos Kosta ends things after watching the doll struggle to put one foot in front of the other and swing a racket not ideal the day before a grand slam. Final. It's seven thirty AM on the morning of the final, Roger Federer. It's usual waffle with fruit compote washing it down with orange juice coffee and vinegar shot. A tricky learned in Japan to cleanses system. He's feeling good about how he's playing and also knows that as much as he wants to beat Madala at the Spaniards best. It'd be a miracle if Rafa has anything left in the tank for their matchup this evening, maybe tying Sampras's record won't be as heavy lift as he thought Pete Sampras, by the way, was and is one of federal tennis. Heroes Fedor has a one handed backhand, because Pistol Pete did he idolized him as a teenager Federer's big introduction as a threat to the top of the tennis world came when he took down Sampras at Wimbledon in two thousand three perhaps the most obvious changing of the guard moment of the past decade in the sport. The prospect of standing aside Sampras as an all timer is enormous. Federer at five o'clock. Pm two and a half hours before the start of the final Nadal is back on the practice court, but still struggling physically he's dizzy, his legs field hard and heavy his. Right. Calf is cramping. He's miserable. His uncle says, look, it's up to you. There's just two hours before the match. You're probably not going to feel better than this. The question is can you rise above it? Can you do what it takes to win doll hangs? His head and says, Tony, I'm sorry. I just I can't see it. I just can't Tony gives him a sharp look response. Don't say you can't because anybody who digs deep enough can always find the motivation. They need for anything now Rafa needs a strategy. He knows he doesn't have the energy reserves to play long, grueling points. So he'll try to shorten the points by going for as many winners early on in points as possible. He takes a cold shower. And by the time he. Federal walk onto the court something has changed. Rafa can feel and channel the energy in the arena. Madala is locked in out of nowhere. He's ready. The matchup is now clear. It's dolls willingness to push past pain, and exhaustion, Federer's insatiable desire for career perfection federal in history of fourteenth, major title for Fiona dull seeking to win a grand slam event on three different surfaces and federal serves to open. After Federer takes a comfortable lead in the first set that doll fines, new gear and comes back to take the set. Meal, putting better answers back. Limiting his mistakes and overwhelming the doll with his serve to take the second spend Nidal becomes the aggressor early on in points. It works. He takes the third and then the fourth, we're going to five cents. This is a fifth set when adult could barely walk earlier in the day from the first ball of the final set. The doll is on fire somehow digging deep enough to play a total of ten sets of tennis in about two days time he's electric from the baseline overpower Federer from corner to corner. He's all adrenaline and it still worked. Meanwhile, I'm the other side of the court better knows in conceal that he's running out of gas, both physically and mentally, somehow, some way after almost four and a half hours of tapping into every last reserve to play all time. I'm great tennis. Doll leads Federer five to as one TV analyst points out, machines, don't feel pressure. Do them. Federer admirably saves himself on tuna dollar championship points. But on the third his forehand sales beyond the baseline, and adult coal apps underneath the weight of everything. He's feeling joy, exhaustion name it. Surface doll has pulled off the miracle Melbourne. He has now taken Federer on clay grass and hardcourt a grand slam final. If fetters going to tie Sampras's fourteen career grand slams. It'll have to be on another day during the trophy presentation of visibly deflated federal slowly steps up to the Mike pases as he's too choked up to speak. Maybe I'll try later again, I don't know, God's killing me, his emotion stuns the crowd in Federer's players box. His girlfriend Merca covers her mouth with her hand the doll looks on concerned, sportive clapping his hands deliberately as his celebration turns into another funeral for Federer's dreams. The doll reluctantly raises the winner's trophy. Then he wraps a comforting arm around federal moments later in his victory speech. He turns to federal really know how. How you feeling always thought? But the remember you, you're a great champion you. I one of the best of the peace. The dolls kind words just don't help in the locker room Federer breaks down again. He wants to believe he still has what it takes. He can beat Nidal and the next grand slam tournament, but the next slam the French Open, where he has yet to beaten adult even once things are getting pretty hopeless and fetters head the next morning sports media piles onto fetters misery. One sports writer claims that quote, it seems that fetters best chance of beating the gall is if not all falls over and breaks his ankle harsh, but it does give Federer something new to play for pride. After his incredibly gutty win and Australia. The dollar is flying back home to my orca to prepare for the hard court and clay season ahead on the plane. Ross father pulls him aside to tell him some news. He and ruffles, mother are separating adul- is crushed. When back home on the tiny island off of Spain Nidal becomes withdrawn his family life become splintered Ross's biggest source of comfort is now his longtime, girlfriend, Z ska with whom he quietly escapes to his fishing boat to get away amid the turbulence at home. And now back out on the tour dollars just off. He keeps pulling away from his family and friends and keeps to himself he still playing well, but his body is beginning to give into the physical beating that is playing on the tour. Specifically his knees are aching in what feels like a never ending run of dominance, ROY. Offer and Fedor have now combined to win an astonishing seventeen of the past nineteen grand slams dating back to Wimbledon in two thousand four. That's a lot of miles aside from continuously raising each other's abilities. Their run has also been incredible in that these past few years. They've both each been relatively healthy. That is until now the two thousand nine French Open begins, as they all have for Rafa quickly runs through his first weeks. Opponents without dropping set even sets a new record at Roland Garros with thirty one straight wins on Paris's red clay, and then Robin. Soderling have Soderling is a hard hitter from Sweden ranked twenty fifth in the world. And when he's on he can beat anyone in the world. In fact, the two players have a bit of a history, two years earlier at Wimbledon Soderling openly mock Nidal, his almost ritualistic habit of picking at a shorts before each. Serve, and when Soderling lost the five center, he barely even looked at adult offering a limp handshake after the match the dog called him, quote, very strange, which is pretty brutal for Rafa. Today in Paris, though, behind a big serve an enormous forehand Soderling is going for broke the Swede runs through doll on his own service games and plays his best when adult gives him even the slightest windows during the matches biggest moments sensing blood during the fourth set tiebreaker Soderling keeps hammering forehands and punishing all it's just too much too often and for the first time in his career and adul- loses at the French Open Nidal leaves the court looking dazed within the hour, still shaken walks into his mandatory post-match press conference. He tells the group of reporters and need to learn in you. Learn more when you lose than when you win. You need a defeat to give value to your victories. Meanwhile in his fourth set match Roger Federer is just able to survive scare of his own outlasting. The big hitting German Tommy Haas. In five sets to move forward, but still, the shock of Nidal losing. Maybe one of the biggest upsets in the sport ever proves to be just the opening Roger Federer needs to finally after all these years, trying maybe win the French Open to do, so he has to do what Nidal couldn't take down Soderling here in Paris. If he can this is when he tied Pete Sampras at fourteen career grand slam titles and complete his career grand slam. Federer understands the opportunity at hand and three sets into dominating the big hitter from Sweden. Federa is serving a championship point Soderling tries to put the big federal serve into play for winning immediately slams into the net. The newly minted French Open champion on the other side of the net. Roger Federer who's made a career of being cool and composed champion collapses onto the clay. Weeping with joy and relief. The trophy also caps an emotional springtime for Federer during which a few weeks before roland-garros Federer, and his girlfriend Merca found out. They were expecting twins and got married not long before they traveled to Paris for the tournament after the trophy presentation and overjoyed Federer's interviewed by legendary player and announcer. John McEnroe, who declares Federer the greatest player of all time. Great as both aren't we don't know. But I definitely many things going for me because of finally one of in all four grand slams. And I'm thinking have reaching defeats fourteen watching some hype and Sampras isn't the only one at home watching back in my orca needle is thrilled for his longtime rival years ago. Nidal said that if he weren't playing the French Open final he'd be rooting for Federer and that's exactly what he does. And when Federer wins nadeau. Adele cries tears of joy, he later tells a reporter that Federer deserved to win all four slams after his surprise loss at Roland Garros the doll finally admits to himself that he can't keep playing while feeling like he does it's time to take a break from the tour for both the good of his ailing body and mind. This proves to be another open window for the newly confident and still in his prime Federer a year after dropping the best match ever played in a five set heartbreaker adul-, he's able to get some revenge on the Wimbledon gods. And wins Wimbledon in dramatic fashion with the five-set thrilling win over American Andy Roddick. This also means he sets the all time record for career grand slams at fifteen passing Sampras, who's actually in attendance in the Royal box to offer his congratulations. It's an incredibly emotional moment on center court at the All England Club. The moment isn't a year or. A rivalry or even a career in the making this is Federer's entire life leading up to this moment. His battle with coaches his temperatures shoes breakthroughs as setbacks heartbreak and his incredible conquests Federer is now immortal. He's officially done more on the biggest stages than any man ever. The light at the end of his tunnel has always been perfection. And finally officially he's reached the warming glow of all time triumph. What there's something still missing. What's define these past few incredible years, hasn't been Federer? It hasn't been dull. It's been Federer and the doll. And here's Federer atop the tennis world alone. He knows he has a losing record against his rival, and intil Rafa is back at full health and full speed. Federer's wins, too many and deep down inside federal himself. Don't mean. Quite as much slowly. But surely, the man for my orca makes his way back and before long he's better than ever before. Sports wars is brought to you by chase. 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Jim while commuting on the go, and on any device start listening today, with a thirty day trial and your first audio book, plus to audible originals are free. Visit audible dot com slash sports wars, or text sports wars to five hundred five hundred that's audible dot com slash sports. Wars or text sports wars to five hundred five hundred. It's now twenty seventeen federal and the dull meet in the finals of the Australian Open. It's their first grand slam final matchup in almost six years, going back to win the doll took down Federer and four sets at the French, it was eight years ago, here in Melbourne in two thousand nine that a twenty three year old and adul- unseeded a twenty eight year old Federer a feat that had once seemed impossible as both of these Alzheimer's, get older. Their plagued by injuries, and hungry younger challenges. Well, namely, one challenger Novak Djokovic along with Andy Murray, the British star who has won three slams over these past few years. Novak Djokovic has created a big four in men's tennis Djokovic is a lean ground-stroking machine from Serbia who's been the huge threat to Federer and the dull having just wrapped up his own career grand slam last year. Djokovic is up to twelve major titles by the st-. 2017 doing the majority of his damage out grinding his opponents on the brutally hot courts of stralia and over the course of his career. He has a winning record against both Federer and the dull. Let that sink in. But when joke of each the twenty sixteen osteopor- champ goes down in the second round to a wild card entrant, who's wearing neon green goggles mind. You the draw becomes wide open at this point. Nidal is thirty and hasn't won a grand slam in two years by twenty seventeen though he's tacked on eight grand slam titles. Since pulling out that wild two thousand nine Austrailia that includes three in a row in twenty ten after coming back from the tendonitis in his knees as the 2017 Australian, Open roles on dulls now tied with Pete Sampras at fourteen slam titles, trailing Federer by only three it's been up and down ride for Dallo as he ended twenty sixteen. Maybe his worst year, early duty yet another injury. This time, it's his wrist. Federer is thirty five by tennis standards ancient, it's his first tournament after a long. Caused by knee problems. Those problems, by the way, we're brought on, after a very human mishap giving his young daughters of bath and now Federer hasn't lifted a grand slam trophy in nearly four years in twenty seventeen. It's not the final anyone expected. But as always it's the matchup everyone wanted. As their most thrilling matches always do this one goes to a fifth Senate dollars leading three games to one when he starts to waver and Federer who not only has been serving unreturnable missiles with the help of a new vigor racket, and a new aggressive approach to backhand rips off the next five games and the match playing bowl. Unstoppable tennis Federer takes the twenty seventeen Australian Open and the wind makes him the first man to hold five or more titles at three different grand slams, and the second oldest man to ever win a singles grand slam after the match he speaks to the press the really didn't come here to strata thinking, I was going to win this. I thought a great result would be a quarterfinal. So maybe it's because of that mindset actually ended up playing so freely and so. Well, meanwhile, Nidal is at least pleased that he was able to play through injury. His heart and his desire are still both very much in the game to be way. And I believe that this with things can happen five months later Nidal wins record tenth French Open going into the twenty nineteen French Open Nadal's record in Paris is an astonishing eighty six and two. In recent years, the personal lives of Federer and adult have changed even more Federer is now the father of two sets of twins two, girls, followed by two boys, Nidal's, parents, have reunited, and he and Z ska after fourteen years together or getting married in June of twenty nineteen and not only has an adult long given up those on-court, Capri pants, but his shorts are even shorter than Federer's nowadays as Federer and adul- look ahead to the heart of the twenty nineteen season. Their respective records are astounding Federer holds the record for most grand slam titles. Twenty in all, including eight titles, at Wimbledon, the most of any man, excuse me. Jinja llmann ever Nidal has seventeen grand slams, the second highest number of all time. And that includes eleven French Open titles. The most held by any player at any single grand slam Federer has logged record three hundred. Ten weeks as the world number one dollars held the number one ranking for a hundred ninety six weeks. Nidal is also one of two men to win all four, majors and Olympic gold in men's singles to achieve the career golden slam. So who's the greatest men's tennis player of all time? Head to head Nidal is nine three verse fetter in grand slams, and twenty three and fifteen overall is federal the greatest of all time, even though he has a losing record against the doll or is the dull the greatest, even though he has three fewer grand slam titles than Federer and disproportionately dominant on one surface. If an element of sports is what have you done for me lately? Well fetters taken the last five head to head matchups over Nidal, and really, maybe their excellence, isn't and won't be defined by individual accomplishment. But by how long they've endured as rivals at the top of the sport, they've driven men's tennis, popular. Pretty consistently for almost fifteen years, a decade and a half and counting while rivalries like Borg McEnroe or sampras-agassi were impressive. They either ended prematurely or suffered fits and stops because of injury or off court issues and the two of them know how important their rivalry has been to the sport adult even admits to needing Federer and jokingly wishing the all-time titan, would give him some space without him or without a guy like him would your Tennessee as good as it is today, but only nuts? Really? So it is necessary to have that guy to, to work against and work with in sometimes in his bed that if he's not. The problem for both and really for everyone else is that they're both still here and both still a threat in every grand slam shirt. There are other challengers, but they're still chance, somehow fifteen years in that maybe their best match ever. 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2019 Paris Masters Preview

The Tennis Addict Podcast

30:21 min | 1 year ago

2019 Paris Masters Preview

"To be kidding me talking liberty and welcome back to another PODCAST HOSTS. Michael and we are going to jump into a bit of a leap preview for the Paris Masters for this apologize. I planed on getting this episode yesterday. This did not happen. So we'll get to that here very shortly Set One of course is the news as always. So we'll get to that and then set to talk about the Paris Masters and Give you my preview for the tournament. Quarterfinals through finals so For the news and set one There isn't a ton but there's a few things to get to. There are some tournament results First step would be dominant team. Winning the Vienna open he defeated the Diego Schwartzman. Three six four six three to win and In this tournament dominant team Came Down I think in the semis. In the file. He came from a set down in both matches in order to win this tournament He was getting beat. Pretty handily actually A set in a set plus actually into each of those matches but he found a way to kind of turned the match around. And you know get through a gutty match. I mean two matches really and that's a big thing and it's not something I think that should be underestimated In fact probably one of the hardest things I think you have to learn as a pro is how to put bad sets away in your head like setting that set aside and saying okay you know what I played pretty terribly. They're right or I let the opponent push me around or use the tactics. They want to employ to negate. What I'm capable of doing out there and keep me from doing what I WANNA do. Tactically happens with every single player right. I mean that's the whole point of going on playing. You know I do something and then you adjust and then I adjust and you know it's the players adjusting constantly throughout the match. But you know the first seven in the semis and the final He was getting pushed around in a pretty easily actually Diego was Pushing him out wide to his backhand side he was coming into the net to finish off a lot of points Eventually team Started to cut off those angles quicker in the second and the third set he was able to turn the match around by being more forceful on his shots Pushing Schwartzman around cutting off the angle on the backhand side and on top of that. He was stepping in closer to the base line. And it's something that Dominic Team I think has begun to learn to do more and more throughout his career. He's in his mid twenties. He should be at his peak argue at his peak as a tennis player. At least or getting close to it simply because from a physical standpoint dom team is clearly you know look your your physical peak as person usually is between the ages of around twenty four and twenty seven to maybe twenty eight. That's twenty seven. We have about a three year kind of window in time where you could really really maximize yourself from an athletic standpoint. And so that's dominant team is right now okay. So from that standpoint. He's at his peak. But of course you know as a tennis player It's all about. The experience is all about learning the new tactics. It's about adjusting to at the players doing and learning from the experiences free from each match that you end up competing in and I think team has begun to learn over the course of the last year or so and I would. I would say that extends back to around the US Open last year. When he played that brilliant match against Rafa Nadal lost it but I think it taught him something about himself what he was capable of doing on a hardcore. And we've seen what he's capable of doing 'cause he you know one Indian Indian Wells. Yes is Indian Wells. He wanted Nielsen. Beat he beat Roger Federer earlier. This year He just won this here He's he's competed. He's played well overall throughout the year. But on hardcourts. I feel like it's always been the harder thing for him. It's the the surface that I think probably is a bit harder for him. I mean grass is harder for him as well. He doesn't like Nidal. It doesn't accept what his game gives it a in terms of the spin but on hardcourts he's always struggled. I think to really find a way to make his game as effective as possible without just outright hitting for the fences every single time which I know is kind of his style but I think you have to modulate that a bit on hardcourts. I think it's taken him a while to understand that that he needs to employ a little more tactics instead of just going for outright winners. I'm so that's something that I feel like. He's done a good job of in the last You know fourteen months or so And that's led to this. Which is the ability to go into hardcore tournament to win but also to understand what you're not doing well tactically on a hard court and find ways to turn things around From a mental standpoint is the hardest thing that tens players I think need to learn. It's the hardest thing that a kind of you know. Learn from The losses and in losing sets where they've played poorly. You know because because you have to put away because you have to realize that you're next set could be this at that you win and then next thing you know it it's It's a tossup now it's the third said and we'll see who wins this match but it's so easy to lose that I set badly into just crumble in the second set in lose in straight-sets very quickly and young players do that. They have to learn how to be mentally strong and to come back from a hard hard said just a bad said it's one thing to have a hard set. Were you know where you lose You don't play badly. Maybe lose seven five or using a tie-break it's frustrating. You're disappointed but one thing to play well but when you're playing poorly it's really hard to To make adjustments and suddenly play significantly better But that's what he did here and he he won all right. So next. Up is Roger Federer He defeated Alex de Manure. Six two six two to win the Basil Open. It is the tenth overall basil open title of Rogers Career. He now has won two tournaments holly on grass in Basil He's won both ten times which is obviously significant achievement. The only other player to do this is an adult who's done that on multiple Klay Vents. it's just it's IT'S A. It's an amazing thing when anybody can win that many tournaments it is. You know to win on the tournament's yet tournus to win that many times at a single event is extraordinary And I don't WanNa get into you know. Don't let's not get into you. Know well people how many people show up to this thing like it doesn't matter you know people showing up to this. This basil is a pretty big deal and a lot of players like to come there. Because it's Rogers kind of hometown tournament and You know he's he's not. He's won every single time. I mean you think Lleyton I believe Lleyton Hewitt beat him there. I think once could be wrong on that but believe Lleyton Hewitt beat him there And he's lost their before. But you know winning ten times too. Big Deal folks. It's a really great achievement for him. So that's great for Roger and all that up so Roger. After winning this he decided to pull out of the Paris Masters Tournament after winning. Because you finals is coming up. He cited the need to be ready for the world tour finals. Which I took to mean you know mostly physically mentally. He's fine right but I think it's physically wanting to be ready for that last push and So that's That's what Roger decided to do. He probably could have played the Paris Masters but look to go into Basil. Go all the way the final win and then turn around and go into Paris and what if you made the final there one that would have anything left for the world tour finals in a clearly If you had to pick between winning Basil or I'm sorry Basil winning Paris and winning the world tour finals. You know which one he's GonNa pick. It's all it's going to be the water finals. That's the one he wants so this to me just sounds like a smart move on his part Because Novak and Rafa are all in Paris along with a bunch of the people so this is just you know Roger doing what he does best which is managed to schedule and be judicious when it comes to selecting the torments he wants to compete in and just sometimes deciding. Just spur of the moment. Hey Look I. I've decided I'm not going to enter this. I'm going to pull out and I'm saving myself for a different event. And look when you're you know the greatest player of all time Arguably and you've amassed as many wins and all that stuff is you get to do preach whatever you want. Look all these players have built in exemptions I go on a tangent here but There was a legend. I can't remember who it was. I don't know if it was. I don't know who it was. There's a there was a legendary player Recently in the last couple of weeks that I mentioned something about criticizing criticizing players for for not competing in all the tournaments essentially For Pulling Out of of tournaments and Or like Nidal and joke replaying that Exhibition Right. They just finished that. La this past week. So you know. There's our criticisms valid. It's the person's thought but look. These exemptions are built into the players schedule for players that have amassed. A certain amount wins. Roger has long since hit that you know that mark where you have I think the Max amount of exemptions that you can have for a year and you know my guess is. He's probably using one of them for the Paris Masters Tournament. Just saying a pulling out not playing So that doesn't incur a fine of any kind or anything but it's just it's smart. Move on his part. He's thirty eight years. Old Folks I don't know how much longer Roger's GonNa play a but this is something I think you need to do. As your career progresses just it is just the way it is All right so let's one of the deputy side so arena Saba linka defeated. Kiki Burton six four six two win the probably butcher this but Hang Quin life. Wta Elite Trophy Ends You. High and Several INCA HAS BEEN. I think for the last year and a half two years or so. She's been one of the top up and coming players. You know. We know what she's capable of. She's big power player very very intense out there When she's playing well she can really be just about anybody out there And Kiki Burton's you know she's A really good player she she deserves the ranking that she has she's made some great mushy meet some final. She said some great results this year. She's really good but she's also the kind of player who I feel there. Her playing style really kind of just perfect for Sabah. Linka because has so much spin. The ball sits up. It's more or less rate in Sabadell INCAS strike zone. And that doesn't do obviously Burton any any favors here A player that I think would have more luck against cyber lenka would be someone like Andrea skew of z Serena players that That have a flatter ball or at least like in Andrea skews case Not just the power but variety you know they just can't stand back. There wind up rip So Andrew Ask you. I think would have a much better game than Burton's does against Lincoln but it's a great result for for Sabah Lenka. Who's been a bit spotty this year? She's had some good results at times but She's kind of been hot and cold which to be honest. I think a little more cold than hot this year. thought she was have a big breakout year. Possibly this year. You know really do something big like maybe when a I don't know maybe a grand slam or at least a you know maybe a masters one thousand or something but this is a huge deal for her though it. It's a nice title to get at the end of the year. You know she can take this Kinda title. Go into the off season and you want to build on that for next year. So all right so that's really it for the news now. I didn't really see anything else that I wanted to comment on either. Some coaching changes on the side. There is a little bit of drama there. But I don't really want to get into that. It's it's really for the most north commenting on. I think all right I said to. Let's do the Rolex Paris Masters Preview. So this of course is A big deal just because A. It's a master's thousand title But it's also the last one of the year this is the last chance at think. For either Nidal Djokovic to really make I think a statement going into finals but on top of that the number one ranking at the end of the year is at stake Nidal currently is leading by a good amount. He's run over two thousand points or so But the fact is if Djokovic can win this it's it's going to be. It's going to be hard. It's going to be the World Tour Finals ultimately decides it now of Nidal say were to win this It's pretty much guaranteed. I think it is guaranteed. Didn't it all would be the the number one player in the world at the end of the year. There's a lot at stake on top of that. The hasn't really played much He obviously got married. He won the US Open and then he played the Labor cop initially But then pull out after. He won his first match due to there. Being a hand issue She's been recovering from needed. Play the exhibition. Match for his charity with Novak Djokovic. He seemed like he was playing. Well there it's an exhibition. So you know you never know quite how hard these guys are playing. I mean the son go out. They're going out there and they're they're playing. I think maybe seventy percent you know they're not gonNA kill themselves It's an exhibition But I mean it's still competitive but then competitive to a point. If let's be honest it's a it's an exhibition folks. There's no points there's no trophies But that's that's it really so Yes this is a big deal in. Doha has a chance to really do something. Big here. Which is to win you know Paris and to solidify himself as number one in the world and that means through the rest of the year and going into two thousand twenty so if you look at the field here I mean. There's a lot of people. Here without Roger Besides Djokovic you have a lot of people here Medvedev in sixty pass Batista Gut's Kyle Edmund Alexander's Avera Dominic Team Grigor. Dmitrov David go fan. John is ner Dennis PABLO OF FINI. Guy On fees Karen Hatching off Joba for Songa Marco. Bertini erm sorry Matteo. I don't like keep home Barco. It's Matteo Bertini Symbol Merrin Chile. Which I mean. It's there's a lot of people here a lot of really really good players and you know you wouldn't expect anything less than two masters one thousand final one of the year right so it's a pretty loaded field and you know looking at draw. It's pretty even I wouldn't say one side of the other is loaded. It's not one of those draws where you know. The bottom half is just filled with cupcakes. And I'm not trying to be dismissive here just saying I've seen draws before whether be obviously at the grand slams and even some Masters One thousand tournaments where the top half of the bottom half one of the the haves are just loaded with three of the four best players in the world whereas the other players just doubt bottom. You know maybe even the players he faces or could possibly face aren't really to be feared that much you know. I've seen that before for all the top players for Djokovic for needle in for Roger Andy. They've all had at least a couple of times in their career. Draw which is is so easy in a masters one thousand level that it some little unfair but here it's not the case so since it's pretty even That gives us a chance to really look at this draw. Nc The both adults and Djokovic have a good chance to make the final they also have some possible Rosemont or landmines because they have pretty solid players for the most part from the beginning to the final Djokovic could face you know Diego Schwartzman in the third round He's got in his Justice quarter. He's got stafani Pizzi Poss- There's Alex de Minora. There is rubbish. Roberta not stay too long with Schwartzman. Kyle Edmonds up their adult. Meanwhile he has Adrian Marino He could face other Chile or Stan Wawrinka and the round after there's Matteo Bertini who could be Someone that he has to face In the quarters. There's also Karen Hatching off Jewelry for longer. I mean it's a really good. It's just a really good solid draw by wait for birth players so anyway let's move on and talk about my picks so for the quarter finals. I Have Novak Djokovic taking on Stefan Poss and I have him beating city Pasta. I don't think it's going to be an easy match. But I do feel like Djokovic has the energy he has momentum he has something to fight for which is the number one ranking at the end of the year which he wants to get which would tie him with Pete. Sampras at six year end number ones. Which is something. I think that he really wants to get to But I do have DJOKOVIC DEFEATING ISIS. Pass in the quarters next up. I have dominant team defeating. John is ner is going to be one of those matches I think where team stands way back and just gets as many serves as possible John will come to the net a lot But I do feel like team will have enough answers to get past is ner in two tight sets in the third quarter a have Alexander's era of defeating Gail Mon- fees and that's our number reasons. Mon IS BODY. I think is kind of breaking down at this. Point of the year is Avera. Seems like he's he's really starting to get better He he's not playing as poorly as he was for a good portion of this year So He seems like he's starting to make progress so I feel like Zaveri of will get to the semi finals by defeating Mon fees. And then I have Nidal defeating Matteo Bertini a rematch of their. Us Open semi I think it's GonNa be a fun. Match could be a tough match but I do see. Bertini losing Late getting real really tight kind of like how he got tight in that that match against a doll at the open At times and adult kind of find a way to claw his way into the Semis which leads the semi-official final picks are Novak Djokovic defeating dominant team thing. They both play. Well but Djokovic has all the answers adult defeats Zavarra of Getting better but he still has enough weaknesses that adult can exploit which sets up the final that I think most people expect which will be Novak Djokovic. Taking on rough doll for the Paris Masters Trophy. In this I have Novak Djokovic defeating RUFFEA doll two six six one six three to win the Paris Masters and make that year end number one. Very very tough That'll be a world tour finals. We'll see who wins there in really claims the year in one. Because it's GonNa be it's GonNa be tough but you know. I think it's going to be a good a good match. I do think that all takes set said do think it's a tight. Initially in that second set but DJOKOVIC finds a way to get the break as he usually does after he's lost tends to come out and get a break right away or pretty soon after and that's one of the key kind of runs away with the match after that he kinda cruises through the next two sets and makes adjustments at all. Can't make the adjustments necessary to defeat Djokovic once he gets on a roll and that's why I think Djokovic is able to to win this title which of course would be you know a big deal for him for a number of reasons obviously in the morning to world or it's a masters one thousand title To It's it's about the number one ranking. Don't listen when these guys say I don't care about the wreck. Macaire with the rank honor being number one. Whatever trust me? It's a lie. Look they care about it. They want it if there's a chance that they can get it unless they're injured in. They don't WanNa risk injuring themselves further. They won't they won't do but otherwise they will fight for that number one ranking if it's possible so they say that they don't care about it and it's all about the slams and it's all about this that yet that that trust me that's not true the hey they want the number one ranking. It's a big deal especially when it comes to the year end number one ranking. That's what they want more than anything. Obviously so I do think that Djokovic wins and makes the water financed even more crazy. No more Filled with tens energy and is GonNa be full of drama because of it. So you know. Look forward to that if it happens and I don't know who knows maybe one of these guys may both of them lose in we get two guys in the Paris Masters final that we never expected to be there. I don't expect that but you know what the stuff like. This has happened before and it wasn't totally surprised me if one of them went down though maybe not both maybe in a noodle loses Before it gets to the final maybe loses before he gets the final. I don't know but I do think if I had to put money down. I'm certainly put an Djokovic in the doll in the final instead of anybody else so that's it so You know the out For the results as we go through the week here. Hopefully I'm right but I've been wrong far more that I've been right and I think most people probably like that. That's why you pick them. You pick what you feel. Is You know the players that are gonNA make away make their way into the final and when you look at Strengths and the weaknesses But at the end of the day it's still. It's still a gas you know. So that's why they play the matches all right everyone. That's it for this episode of announced kind of short. I don't really have top cover this week since it had the preview to get to and there wasn't a ton of news it's the back end of the year. There really isn't a whole lot going on right now. I mean unless I don't know unless something big happens. There really isn't a lot going on. It's just it's results. Someone pulls out because of injury of here Someone broke up with their coach. You know things like that. I mean for the most part that's all. It is at this point of the year so it might be shorter than you thought might be this episode but you know it is what it is but. I'll be back next week to give you guys both the preview for the world tour finals as well as a review of the Paris Masters and all the action that went down doing this week so until next time thanks for listening and we'll see the next episode of Saturday. Thanks for listening to the tennis addict. 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Episode 3: 'Not A Bunch Of Jamokes'

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From the night before it was not a guard checking to make sure the doors were secure in law. It was somebody being let in after hours and being led in where the robbers went almost exactly twenty four hours there. Do you suspect the guards of collusion. Holiday dismount enough. Having this big league. This is an AAA bald on Pawtucket. This Fenway park. This is Martin lepto, a big league, criminal defense attorney with some strong opinions about the greatest art heist in history. Let me say this way the God, him robbery was so easy. Someone that wasn't a salami of burglars coming in and do it. They have musicians guiding millions and millions and millions of dollars with a paintings musicians that's like putting Dracula in charge of a blood Bank. It's so foolish and stupid that it's, it's it almost invited the place to be robbed at eighty. Six Aleppo is still practicing. He says, if there's one thing to know about him is that he's loyal to his wife of fifty one years to his three sons, even the to have given him some heartache into the veritable rogues gallery of clients, he's represented over the years. Men whose rap sheets span decades and crimes. There's a lot. There's a lot of case a lot of murders, a lot of organized crime cases. Lot of disorganized crime case armed robberies, drug deals, armored car, stick up jobs, you name it, but it's the crime that gave Boston's Isabella Stewart Gardner museum. The dubious distinction of being the scene of the single largest art theft in history that seems to hold special meaning for lepto framed reproductions of some of the stolen paintings. Hang in his law offices, including one. He's especially partial to the concert by Vermeer j. Just talked to you. So wonderful magnificent. I think if you can't appreciate. You know, from one of the great masters. What else is. If lepto takes particular interest in the Gardner heist, it isn't only because he feels the loss of what was stolen. It's also because he just might know who did it. No. Other defense attorney has represented more criminals who have been tied if only unofficially to the Gardner case seven and all they are men Lebo has long defended for other crimes. And while he won't comment on what they might have known about the plan to steal some of the most valuable in beloved treasures from Isabella Stewart, Gardner's collection, he will say this about whoever pulled off the robbery. Which was done by a bunch of. Tim oaks. Because this was a well organized. Well, organized thing fulfill pudding. Haven't found a thing by they lepto means the FBI and he's right in the twenty eight and a half years since the heist. They haven't found any of the stolen masterpieces. But one of the places the f. b. i. has been looking at the longest reveals a lot about who they think might be behind this still unsolved crime. It's a car repair shop called TRC auto electric, a place hard to beat for criminals per capita. And if many of the men suspected of planning or pulling off the Gardner heist have needed Martin Lepos services, it's because of other crimes they hatched at TRC. The question is, was the plan to rock isabela's to regarding museum. One of them. From WB are Boston and the Boston Globe. This is last seen. I'm Kelly horn, Jack, readily, go episode three, not a bunch of jokes. Pullover for a second to make sure they could go the wrong way. If one road to some of the suspects in the Isabella Stewart Gardner museum heist lead to the law offices of Martin lepto. Another leads to thirteen twenty five Dorchester avenue in the door, Chester neighborhood of Boston one day last summer, Kelly drove there with the garden museums, head of security, Anthony, Amora. Wait here. That's that's really. I, in my mind, it was a much a much greater thing. Okay. Picture a low slung brick and cinder block building, much longer than it is wide with corrugated metal doors. There's a spindly tree on the sidewalk out front. It's canopy too sparse to offer shade under a withering July son. There's everything you'd expect to find it in mechanics, and assortment of vehicles. Hoods up three open repair bays and spare tires in parts. Leaning against an exterior wall painted, an industrial Bauge. What there isn't is any suggestion whatsoever that the former TRC auto electric was in its heyday of front for a thriving hub of criminal activity. It's only about four miles from Isabel Stewart, gardening resume, but this place could not feel farther away true. It is a world away you go from this talion renaissance Palazzo is ability to regarding her built to resemble the one she left to stay in Venice. And here we are at a single story brick building. That's just a a real different look. Disagree place for crime headquarters, right people coming and going all day. It's perfect completely auspicious, too. I mean, I would have driven right by it. If if I didn't have you in the car to do. And the police knew it because the man who presided over t. r. c. auto electric wasn't underworld powerhouse with mafia ties and a long criminal record. His name was Carmelo Marino. He was involved in what a different Bank heist team is heavily involved in cocaine, dealing out of TSE. There wasn't any sort of crime. He didn't have his hand in Carmella release was a criminal. The way other people are in a religious order. He seemed called to it and he was devoted the same is true. Amaury says of the assorted low lives Merlene oh, had swirling around him at TRC studied crime, not the history of crime. They studied the newspapers and say, hey, d'you hear so. And so did such and such. It's the way baseball fanatics might follow the Red Sox. One thing I've learned doing this reporting is that they also meet each other in prisons chrome college. And released would be at Walpole and you'd have the most desirable cell. He would be in really well with the prison leadership because he was likeable and people listen to him, and I don't want to say it's like that scene in goodfellas where you know they go to jail, and that's a big party and people are cutting up garlic for their pasta sauce. But Malino made the best of it. In the late nineteen eighties Carmelo Merlene oes side hustle in car repair wasn't fooling anyone. He knew nothing about how to fix cars, but he had a real flair for turning cocaine, dealt out of carburetor boxes into millions of dollars in cash between nine hundred eighty nine and nineteen Ninety-one a stretch of time that includes the hit on the Gardner museum state and local police. In conjunction with the US attorney's office end the DA had t. r. c. auto electric under surveillance. Robertson Kelly was a fairly new assistant attorney general for Massachusetts. At the time he recalls being part of the massive effort to make sense of it. All we the wire cups on your see Carmelo, Molina's home, phone, all conversations I ever saw. We're all cryptic encoded. I mean, nouns nouns were off limits with this. They never said a name that never said a place or anything. And we had situations where we were convinced that an important meeting was going to take place given the discussion surrounding it, and then it turned out to be the knock you ac- no lunch thing with the an aunt. So it was very, very hard to really try to piece together what it is they were talking about and the foot traffic in and out of that was was utterly amazing. I mean, there was hundreds of people coming and going. There was a mini Grand Central station. So trying to piece all this together and understand exactly what was happening was exceedingly difficult, but not impossible by nine hundred ninety two to Kelly's and his. Team had amassed enough evidence to indict Carmelo Marino and members of his crew on cocaine trafficking charges. In response Malino pull the play straight from the gangster handbook. He offered authorities a quid pro quo, give me leniency and I'll give you a stolen painting our colleague from the Boston Globe, Steve Kirk Johnson says, when we're Lino made this offer, he also made himself a suspect in the Gardner heist. And that might have been. The point is terrific faint because I don't think a, he knew anything about the God is at the time and it really complicated his life, but it did absolutely get the attention of the state police in the assistant attorney generals including Kelly's. Now if you're on the hook for one bad crime, why on earth would you want to raise your hand and make yourself a suspect in a worst one? Why would Marlena wanna face that kind of heat who wouldn't want to be prince of the city. Find these paintings and you merge prints of the city. All of your sins are forgiven. You know, you come back and you have helped, you know, civilized society, the museum in the art, loving world, young and old to get these paintings back. This notion, this prince of the city ideal offers an insight into nearly every gardener heist suspect that we've investigated because like Carmella Malino each of these guys at one point or another shot his hand up and said, essentially, I did it, or I know who did it, or I know where the paintings are. The criminal mind is nothing if not an expiration, a one. Why wouldn't you want your name attached to the greatest score of all time. Carmelo Malino wasn't going to be crowned the prince of anything because the painting he dangled wasn't a Rembrandt's last from its frame. At the Gardner museum, it wasn't ever MIR or Manet or even a Degussa sketch. It was a portrait of George Washington that had been stolen in nineteen eighty-five from the Henry Wadsworth longfellow house in Cambridge, Massachusetts. It's estimated value at the time was five thousand dollars hardly the kind of bounty that doubled as a get out of jail free card relief. No, was going back to prison. Last seen is supported by ADT. ADT presents surveillance service. Surround yourself with peace of mind with video doorbells, an indoor and outdoor cameras from ADT security, visit ADT dot com. Slash podcast to learn more about how ADT can design and install your custom smart home backed by twenty four, seven protection. Six years later in November nineteen. Ninety-seven Carmelo Marino out of prison. And back at the helm at TR siato electric had a new hire at the garage, a younger guy, he'd known for a long time both in and out of prison. Unlike Carmelo Lino though this guy really could fix cars. His name was Anthony Romano. He also answered to Tony. He looked up Carmelo admired him. And in fact, when Anthony was in prison, he ran into Carmelo and Carmelo took care of him and he cheese guy. He was respected in prison. Anything. He said, went with the other prisoners retired f. b. i. agent. David Nidal ski spent twenty one years at the bureau. He has the tidy haircut, and good posture you associate with g man. He has the warmth and easy. Laughter. You don't need hausky says Anthony. Ramana was not a thug just a guy who made bad choice. Choices. He says he was a central casting image of junkie, convict alarmingly thin, stringy hair, lots of tattoos at a time before everybody had one. And then as role would come up, you would get out new would be good for a while and then he'd get back in the drugs and then it'd be sticking up places again with a toy gun and he'd be back in prison. So that's basically pattern, never. Did he hurt anyone. I assess him as someone who really regretted the way things turned out for himself and he wanted to do something about it. I think he wanted to make a difference and I think he wanted to matter to somebody while still in prison. Anthony Ramana had reached out to nadeau ski at the FBI with tip that led to the recovery valuable manuscripts stolen from the John Quincy Adams library in Quincy Massachusetts Romano had even been right about who'd stolen them. So based on this, I determine Anthony was. Truthful and reliable with information. When he got out of prison, he asked meet with me wanted to talk about some information that had come his way concerning the gardener theft. This was only six years after the Gardner heist people still talked about it all the time. One of those people according to Ramono was Carmelo Marino. Eventually, it was clear that he was getting the impression that mill criminal Marino goes by the name mill knew where the paintings were or or thought he knew where they were or and somehow or other wanted to get a hold of the paintings. He Tony didn't think he was actually part of the robbery. But was working on getting the reward. By finding the paintings Nidal ski wasn't assigned to the Gardner case. He worked major crimes that fell under federal jurisdiction, like Bank robberies, and armored car jobs. So he pulled in special agent who was leading the FBI's Gardner investigation at the time Neil Cronin. I was basically introducing him to Anthony and letting Anthony tell him what he knew knew about Gardner or suspected, and not very long after that Tony told me that Carmelo Marino wanted to rub the Loomis Fargo VO facility in eastern for the Boston FBI. Tony Ramana was essentially a two for one informant his notes on the comings and goings and conversations. He observed inside TRC helped Nidal sqi work on his angle on Loomis, and they helped Cronin where his on the Gardner. We obtained Anthony romano's confidential informant reports or three. Oh two's between October nineteen Ninety-seven and November nineteen ninety eight. One name appears in them more than any other alongside Carmelo Marino's fat Richie. That's not the name is mother gave him. Fat Ritchie was born Richard tchaykovsky picture a sharply dressed boss, Doni missing all of his hair and some of his front teeth with an explicable Brooklyn accent and a career as a scam artist as vast as the man himself was large, which is not to say tall one day fat Richie called the Boston supervisor of the f. b. i. squad that oversaw the Gardner case that Richie didn't introduce himself, but he didn't have to actually said to the caller on the phone, he goes, are you Richie. Go ahead and identified himself, and he goes, there was a big pausing will some people do call me that Dallas case is fat. Ritchie told him in agent Cronin that he could get the paintings from Carmelo Lino and he says, but. Fuck him. You know if I can get five mil by getting the paintings from him, that's what I want out of this. He goes out, turn on him, so we just looked at each other. This is beautiful, and that's how Richie tchaykovsky. Aka fat Ritchie became the second confidential informant inside TRC auto electric. We obtained fat Ritchie's three, oh twos, and they are full of instances of Carmelo Malino promising to deliver the paintings in one dated January sixth nineteen ninety eight that Ritchie reported that Merlin oh, planned to return half of the stolen paintings and hold. The rest for security Marino had also reportedly said to Richie quote, I've got the news you've been waiting for. I have the Vermeer and the Rembrandt. For the FBI. It must have been shining moment. They had two informants ratting on to heists won the Loomis hit in the planning stages and the other. The Gardner robbery still casting its long shadow over the city. Just maybe the one that had yet to happen would yield clues or better still an arrest in the one that had yet to be solved. It was at this point that the feds offered Carmelo Malino a quid pro quo of their own a letter of immunity from prosecution in exchange for the stolen art. But he assured nearly goes, I don't have them. He goes, if I had him, I'd take that five million. I'd given to you. He goes, I'm just as interested in finding them as you are. I want to get the money. The feds didn't buy it. They numerously no kept that immunity letter from the US attorney's office taped under his desk at TRC. Why would he need it? If he was only in it for the reward, if only they had leverage some other crime, they could squeeze him on to make him talk about what he knew about the Gardner heist. Something like an armored Carvel robbery. He told Tony that he was nudges thinking of it. He was planning it. He was going on. Surveillances was sizing it up. He wanted to do this and the way he wants to do it was to put somebody on the inside who he could Troy. In other words, get somebody in there as an employee that's willing to give it up when when the time came that was his big plan. He wasn't going to go in there. Guns blazing. He wanted to go in there and have have it set up already that the place was going to fall. There's nothing like being jammed up on one whopping federal crime to make a bad guy sing about what he knows about another one. That was the hope anyway. Coming up. The second sting in a decade on t. r. c. auto electric, and it's all down to secret recordings made from inside and the knee romano's pants. Little. It's about three inches by four inches in an inch wide, then it's got wires coming out of it with microphones. And so I pull it out Tony, I'm gonna. Have you put this in a belly band in your back? Looked at it and he goes fucking thing. Looks like a refrigerator. Can't wear that. Doni. Don't worry about it. It's going to be okay. Less scene is supported by Samuel Adams. Here's founder, Jim cook. Each fall. People can't wait for us to brew are very first batch of Samuel Adams, October fest, and neither can we Sam Adams, October fest, everything you of about fall in one sip with the unique blend of caramel roasted malts it's sweet, smooth and delicious. Savor this season with the fall. Favorite Sam Adams, lactobacillus fest, Boston beer company, Boston mass saver responsibly. The entire time that Carmelo Molina was making claims about the Gardner paintings. He was also planning a strike on the Loomis Fargo. Armored car volt facility have out twenty three miles south of TRC in eastern Massachusetts. The Loomis heist presented just the chance the feds needed. They didn't have any proof that Marino really did have access to the Gardner paintings. So they sought the next best thing. Pressure him on a different crime once serious enough to make him give up whatever he knew about the Gardner. David Nidal ski had a come to Jesus moment with his informant. Anthony Romano. He'd have to do two things, introduce undercover FBI agent to pose as the inside guy at Loomis and wear a wire to catch Malino into accomplices planning the takedown. Conversations at that mellow and others have regarding the theft. So as we discussed year wearing the wire now, right? And he said, yeah, where and I said, you know that you're when this happens if it goes and it and you know, we make rests the you gotta testifying court, right? Yeah. I know you got to leave the state, right? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I said, okay. And is going to change your life drastically, right? Yeah, I know he goes. That's okay. I, I don't want. I'm sick at Boston anyway. I wanna go somewhere else. Anthony Maure says the stakes for Romano could not have been higher. He wore a wire. He wore a wire inside that place right there that we're looking at a police that professional ruthless vicious criminals in and out of every day. One misstep would have cost him his life on the spot. And he did it anyway because he wanted to redeem himself. It wasn't about getting out of any sort of sentence. He didn't have to told only all you need to do is bring up the subject that you got a guy in the insight, shut your mouth and let him do all the talking for all of his misgivings for all of how maddeningly terrifying must've been to walk into that garage with a recorder strapped to his body in the midst of the baddest of bad guys. Romano was smooth. He was a natural here. He is in one of the secret FBI recordings that we obtained floating the news to Marino that he found a guy on the inside at Loomis. We talked about that eastern thing. Yeah. Yeah. But. Really. I've known a long time. I got a guy. Number, I told you too big for me. For me now. Talking. Fifty nine dollars. And it was called, it was gold. I mean, Tony winning their gave. The cover story said, hey, remember I wanted to do that job at Loomis. And I come across a guy who actually works there. You've been asking me to get a guy in. There's a guy in there and I know he's willing to do it. He's willing to cooperate with us and mellow doesn't really ask any question. She just goes, wow, really, you'll see. But the thing is mellow. It's too big for me. I need your help and he goes, well, it's not to fucking big for me, and then he just goes on and on and on about how he's gonna planet, run it. He's gonna do this. He's going to do that. He's going to bring his crew in that crew had yet to be assembled. But one thing was certain they would be experienced and they would be discreet. Here's Merlene explaining the consequences of indiscretion to Ramono. Six weeks to screw. Everybody gets equal end, and that's it. Veterans have been around yard. All right. And say, listen, everybody's gonna make one pack discussion about anybody spends more money than they and they show the get a gift left. So as long as everybody knows that that's going to happen. You don't have to worry about them Murli. No says they're veterans, but anyone spends more than they should. They're gonna get clipped in his world. No one was above paying with his life Marino and his hand picked Louis hice crew foremen and all plus Tony Romano had one of their final meetings in a car in CVS parking lot across the street from bickford pancake house. It was January nineteen. Ninety nine Ramana was recording end transmitting the meeting to agents hiding nearby. So I was sitting in a car with a billion other agents listening to the conversation as it was taking place because if anything went wrong, we had to move in fast. But nothing went wrong and nobody suspected. Anything Neal. Conan had great ears, and he goes, do you remember? Did you hear him saying about the bringing anger date? No, I didn't. But that was on the tape that's considered a weapon of mass destruction and that doubles your time that live hand. Grenade alone would meet a minimum mandatory sentence of thirty years in prison. So he was the plan Malino and his crew would storm the facility take down there inside guy, and the other guard on duty emptied the vaults stuff. The loot in a stolen, Loomis armored car, and then race back to TR seat to divide up their spoils Marino expected. The take to be upwards of fifty million dollars and also says the talian the vaults that weekend was actually more like one hundred million. It was go time. The plan was for them to come together at TRC early in the morning. So we had one hundred million cops out there. We had the surveillance squad in the air. We had the surveillance on the ground. We had police everywhere, but everybody's hitting, I had Tony take his car market outside. TRC go in, turn the lights on, and then jump back into my current take off. So we took off. So mellow pulls up. He sees the twenties car playtime goes in, starts to go in, and he gets jumped by the swat team and taken down. The sting was going as planned after nabbing release. The swat team took out the next accomplice to arrive at TRC two down two to go, but where were they in adult ski remembers feeling that something wasn't right. And then they came around the block again and they drove by and didn't stop. And they came back to TRC and for whatever reason they decided this, this doesn't smell right, and they took off. And so the swat team decided to in the event that these guys were going to run that they were going to get on them, they drove up onto the sidewalk and started tearing down the sidewalk in this what vehicle collided with them. And this guy's jumped out smashed out the windows and dragged him out of the car and lock them up. Anthony is on the floor of my car, screaming and yelling, and and he's just, he's scared shitless. So so it all went down. And then when they were brought in, they realized that they were one man short. That one man was Anthony Ramana. Oh, after this, dang on TRC he entered the federal witness protection program and relocated to Florida. It was there in two thousand thirteen that he died of a brain aneurysm. He was fifty six years old. With Carmelo Malino and is Luma's heist accomplices in custody f. b. i. agents Nidal ski and Cronin wanted to know one thing. And we just talked each one individually and said, look. Urine some shit here. You know, if you know anything about the Gardner, now's the time to talk. Maybe there's something we can do to help you. The FBI seemed confident that the Loomis arrest would yield a break in the Gardner mystery. And it wasn't only because they had Carmelo Marino on tape. Talking about the stolen paintings, considerate, Marino's plan. He insisted upon having inside information about Loomis to ensure that the facility would fall without a fight. He had taken care to find out where all the security cameras were and how the alarm system worked. One of his accomplices disguises for the men to wear during the robbery. Maybe this is how seasoned criminals plan all their jobs, but these are details. You can't help, but associate with the Gardner heist where the thieves were disguises, took the museum with relative ease, where they seemed to know about the panic button and they knew not only about the security camera footage but where to find the. Tape. Other details ring a bell to Marino had originally wanted to hit the vault facility, the night of Super Bowl, Sunday in nineteen ninety nine. That's not exactly official holiday in Boston. The way Saint Patrick's Day is, but it might as well be. So when FBI agents douse key in Cronin offered to bargain in exchange for information about the Gardner heist. What did each of these men facing decades in prison say, oh, for of individually. Doulos the the new nothing don't bother me. I don't. I don't have anything for you. Knows it. That was it. But what about fat? Reggie's reports that Molina was going to return. The Gardner art turns out, fat Ritchie, put the con in confidential informant the whole time. He'd been telling the FBI that Marino is promising. The paintings fat Richie had been promising them to Merlin. Oh, Carmelo. Malino sentenced to forty seven years and six months in prison, died there in two thousand five at the age of seventy one. You'd think that if he'd had something to say about the Gardner art, he'd have set it killing you, five million bucks for his family anyway. And. A family? Yes, decent kids. So I'm sure we would wanna help them out. So after all that after the sting on the Louis facility, the stack of confidential informant reports that mentioned for MIR and Rembrandt and promises to return them. And the similarities between how the Gardner heist went down and how the Loomis hit was planned. Did David Nidal sqi believe the plot to rob the garden museum was hatched out of TRC auto electric, the former FBI agent who had been so expensive in his responses had this time. Just one thing to say. Anthony Moray who is still looking at the TRC gang isn't so sure there were capable this. Someone mentioned to you the the marine Lino gang, which was a pretty big gang out of TRC Dorchester, no one doubted their capability to do any sort of crime and they were doing all sorts of crimes to say that they could have pulled off the gardener. Yeah, they have done it. Absolutely Roberts Kelly's the former assistant attorney general who was listening in on the TRC gang during the period win. The Gardner museum was robbed. He wonders to, they would not have been surprising. They were very, very careful. These were very seasoned, very experienced operatives not going to go on the phone and say, okay, well, you don't forget. We got the Gardner tonight guys at seven and we'll do it. You know, that's unheard of. Maybe come Eller Malino hated the feds more than he hated the prospect of dying in prison. We can't know, but we can say with certainty is that Carmelo Malino was hardly the last best suspect to come out of TRC auto electric. Next time. Two more men who made TRC auto electric, their criminal Homebase one remains locked up for his role planning the Louis heist. The other is dead. I do believe that David Turner is gonna go down in history alongside the Boston strangler alongside Whitey Bulger as one of the most notorious criminals come out of Boston. Probably the best thing about rice Felder as loyal person ever wanna meet. Probably the worst thing was it was stoical psycho. Go to WBU are dot org slash last seem to read our cast of characters and learn more about the art featuring three in-depth videos and to go behind the scenes with last seeing, subscribe to our newsletter at globe dot com. 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Roland Garros Day 15 - When 20-20 made us smile

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Roland Garros Day 15 - When 20-20 made us smile

"Hi, this is Marion Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm andy this is Yannick Noah and you're listening to. PODCAST. So in the most disconcerting and unfamiliar if years the Grand Slam season has ended with the most familiar unpredictable site in all if tennis Rafael Nidal lifting aloft. The Cape Mikita on the Philip Shut Trae court his Thirteenth Roland Garros Title His Record Equalling Twentieth Grand Slam title overall, and of course, the way he did it the nature of the final was anything but predictable butts I've got David and Matt Right, Hey, ready and raring today to discuss digest reflect on all of that in just a few minutes. But I hope you'll allow me just a moment of indulgence. I, because, this is a lost daily podcast of twenty twenty. We've enjoyed all these fifteen daily French Open Palsy enjoyed all of our daily and weekly so far this year it's a hundred and twenty five. And counting, which is fairly ridiculous studies. Twenty five percent more matches than Rafael. Nadal has won at Roland Garros. Not Saying all of this because it's the end, we've got plenty more to come. And David now has a full week off to stop having ideas in the middle of the night. I'm saying this because in about six weeks time, we'll be launching a kickstarter campaign to crowd fund the podcast for twenty twenty one will launch it on December first. And continuing podcast and continuing it to the standards we've achieved this year predictions aside That's very, very important to us if we could do it without asking for money, we would we love the podcast and the three of us are completely devoted to it, but it does cost money even when we're not traveling I'm sure all of you would agree that it is. Inconceivable to think of this podcast without Matt I can't quite believe David. My ever did it ruled as without Matt frankly he's completely inviolable, and of course, Matt comes with the Old Caravan. 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We want to do even more bad predictions, and if you'll allow me just one final bit of indulgence, I'm going to read out just a couple of lines from a an email we received from Steve Comes, comes dad today she received it. Just a few games before the end of the men's final and distracted me to the extent that I couldn't quite pay attention to the final couple of games. I'm hoping David Matt go to grasp on how much ended, but he's a couple of lines from. From this wonderful email from Steve, he said Sharing Cam with all of you has been such a privilege I'm sure everyone feels that dog would be beloved if people knew him or her Joe and I have always felt that about Cam and now we've actually gotten to experience it the love and support from the tennis podcast audience. The comments on Youtube twitter have been such a beast to our spirits. 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Anyway, what we do is covering says we launched to sing on the first in December and we've got. An email list that we send one email year out to on. December the first just to everybody know it's live and the link to that's in the show notes if you want to be on it. Should. We talk about tennis. She was about this final and put it on pitting off having to actually summer. The achievement of rough on the dull winning thirteen, French Open, and winning this French. Open in particular and doing it in the way that he did because. It. So astonishing I'm struggling to process. Frankly, yes. Apologies in advance for hyperbole and use of superlatives, but if you can't use them now when rough on the is now hundred and two girls and has won his thirteenth title when when can use MS utter the extraordinary? What is the chief today, and of course, this is an achievement that is actually fifteen sixteen years in the making it is it is unbelievable. Walk Needle is able to do both in tennis number one, but also just at this tournament, one of his best ever career performances David today. I would say so this was Up there with what he did to federal in two, thousand eight when federal and a handful of games arguably even better I think because federal struggled that day I think the conditions were less suited to today on paper at least I would have thought compared to a high bouncing day in June, and of course, he's you know he's twelve years older I mean, let's not forget. He's thirty four that's that shouldn't be. Put. To one side because you know he's got a lot of miles in those legs lot of kilometers and it's it's just mind boggling that he can physically do it for star I think it bore a lot of similarities to what Jackovitch did to him in the Australian Open file of twenty months ago, which was Jock itch referenced in Oh Sorry Nadal referenced in his post match comments it had that same feel inasmuch as when we were discussing this yesterday and we were building up to it all week long the one eventuality are could not see is one of these destroying the other one that's just could not see I mean, which is again just another example of how good predictions I am. But it was. A performance that I wasn't expecting of that level and that that feels unfetter I found the down after what he's done over the last twelve years but. He lifted himself to a level. We certainly haven't seen at this tournament. And it was this fortnight anyway it wasn't. It wasn't just. Fortunate needlework open happen to be having Berlin day today is it wasn't just what one of these things the way the cookie crumbles he change things in his approach today he was an I believe the stats ended up bearing this out in terms of name body was quitting. On your coverage David about the net clearance on his kind being significantly. Lower today than in previous matches indicating how much more aggressive he was being on that I mean I think on both wings in particular on that on that can side he was. Firmly the aggressor out there in an joke which was on the back foot right from the word go and. He looked. Bewildered by the level throughout, imagine, imagine playing really good tennis and being the world number one. And having lost six love. I just can't I can't imagine how awful that feels. You know I texted you guys. At the end of that first set and I said. Other than serving a bit better. I. Don't know what he can do. I don't think it's a question of just raise the level a bit and that'll be okay. What can he possibly do? Yeah and he's been in his press conference Djokovic and use the word surprised by Nidal's level. I don't think he sold this coming from the doll based on what we've seen from the doll these two weeks. Yes. Nidal's been great. He's the final without dropping a set, but it's clearly not been absolutely top top level in the dull and I'm not sure your conviction was expecting the performance that we saw from the Dell today he was caught off Guard surprise bewildered and that that. is so much credit. As you said to walk in the door was doing he was the aggressor. He was taking every opportunity to hit his forehand down the line and standing up on the baseline and kind of taking the drop shot away from Jackovitch. I'm sure we'll talk more about that but just little subtle changes in his game that he made the just made this huge overall difference and with the intent that he paid with it was it was overwhelming for Novak Djokovic Channon. was kind of reminded of a little quote I read from turning adult recently who often the Schwartzman team match said a lot of people compare team to my nephew. But I, don't think that's a fair comparison. This was in Spanish. This was in the Spanish newspaper El Pice and he was saying that team is a great player, but he doesn't have the options in his game that Nadal has and. The different ways to be able to beat you I. Think this goes back to what we were talking about on a podcast recently when David you said the fact that these players are always adding things today game, the dull Djokovic and Federer, and the Dallas got so many different ways he can beat you. He can change what he does and he did that today and I think it surprised Yovich and It shouldn't be surprising to me, but at the end to us, but it kind of was surprising to see the dull change tactically against your that that rivalry has been so familiar in my head of what that looks like in terms of the patterns of the rallies and this one was different out there nobles the those tactical awareness today was was as good as anything I've ever seen from him. I think I remember moment it was in the second set because you were commentating. David I think towards the end of the second set felt like it was quite deep into the match adults of volleyed for the first time and Leon Smith remarked upon. That put like oh We can do that as well. He hadn't even needed to use is that trick but we're we're reminding you hear it is when I got onto the common sense that I was doing, which was set number two I was trying to workout what what's happening because as whilst yes, the ball was zipping back and forth and hitting winners fandel he'd also. got a very clearly defined tattoo that I also thought he used against Schwartzman if hitting his own backhand down the line with loop and topspin very deep onto the the of. BACKHAND and and I don't think I expected to see that at all I i. just I just wasn't expecting that shot. We've we've always seen the the cross court forehand from him do that. But this was I mean he was almost hitting lobs but viciously powerfully and top spun and Djokovic was trying to follow them the way only he can. But. There were proven too much even for him. But when I got onto mice said that I was doing that's when I noticed that caught positioning, watching the Dow Times on a hardcourt the way it was it was almost like saying right now I'm going to get onto the returned it. Now, I'm getting on the baseline and you're going to have you know. Crowd in the course it was. An I thought. When we talk about how these players are developing tactics all the time they're getting older ways to beat each other look at the way federal developed that that back end whip against Nadal to turn that rivalry around here everybody writers US, everybody is talking about how The dropshots is going to be the new tactic against. Nadal by Jackovitch in that, you know you remarked on. Earlier in the day, Katherine about how it was like chocolate should spent whole tournament preparing for this moment to play against the Dow who's GonNa have his back against the fence and you're gonNA be burning in with dropshots and fully expecting that that would be the tactic that we were talking about today in a positive sense for Novak Djokovic. It's it felt like I don't know this for sure but it felt like the down knew that was coming. and Said Okay right I know you're going to do that I'm going to be on the baseline and I will be I will diffuse those dropshots because that's what he did for the whole match I mean now's got wonderful hands for start when when he's rushing, it's playing those little dink rallies. I don't think there's anybody better than him at the moment you get the ball up in the air against him. He's probably got the most powerful overhead backhand. Back and smash, and he's also got the skyhook forehand smash so that he can rush back and hit powerfully. Why further back in the court than anybody else can't even though he's not the tallest so. He just completely diffused jock richer strategy with his own strategy and ask what I really enjoy watching that. I must say I wasn't ever convince the a drop shot was gonna be great tactic against the Doll I. Know He's not got a brilliant record against the dollar that Roland Garros since I think it's to his credit. He was thinking of ways that he could maybe change the pattern of that match but. He has go to goods record in the rivalry generally against the doll and he's very comfortable in the rallies. Normally he's the one dictating and he can manhandled the dull when he's playing well even on a clinical and I just think if I was in the doll soon as Jackovitch plays four dropshots in the very first game of the match I thought that was an immediate boost fandel because I'm I'm thinking well, almost does a bit of a panic ready as he can't live with me in the rallies so he's having to revert. To this dropshot and because not obvious so fast, and he's because he's got those amazing hands that you said that you referenced David. Djokovic. was having to play absolutely perfect dropshots and it meant that he was missing quite a lot of them into the net. It was a real problem him today whether to use the drop show or not I think his success rate through the tournament was about eighty percent with the drop shots and it dropped to less than fifty percent today against the dull a huge huge switch in its effectiveness and. As much is the dull contributed to that with his tactical positioning and changing way was in the cold. I was surprised. You didn't abandon it more quickly than he did. He seemed to abandon it in that third set, and that was when the rallies started resembling the ones I'm a bit more used to. But by that point, the Dow's lead was so great and Djokovic wasn't quite playing his best. He was making more unforced errors than we're used to seeing from him and. Kind of felt like action pretty much gone at that point within the Dell playing so well and yeah, it was it was. Tactically, from from both sides of therefore, he was desperate in that. It wasn't. It wasn't that I. Mean I, think he was desperate by the second set really and actually. There was a period when that desperation. Manifested itself in him just hitting out and it coincided with Nidal nearing the finish line and obviously getting a bit tight giving give them what was on the line and he did feel for a moment like all all that they could well be a full set here I'm David. You were you were stretching and lunging and limbering up for a fourth active commentary. But he was it was it was kind of the flailing. Movements of if out authored oughta desperation at what's today in the face of this. Total. Onslaught, today. I. I know I know the foster is did stop mounting in the third set, but it felt to me like when is an unforced errors Nelson? UNFOLD SARAH I'm not sure he hit any unforced errors today because no dull forced. All of them were we had the stats on the Dow's unforced errors I. Think until six of five one nadal hit three reinforced errors in basically two sets, and then he had a flurry of them, run it into the second set. I remarked to you both that that I think he's just slightly losing his timing little bit and I wonder whether you've just getting a little nervous to be honest closing in on the second set. He was sort of grunting leaving the ball a bit shorter and things like that, and he just wasn't quite as convincing a double faults in their. Lost his second. Game at. The end of the second set his his game. His game tally. To get to two. And then when they went into the third set, it was it was parity really throughout most of that was an early break fund our win Jackovitch hit back. Unleash that role I did think we were going to get along match at that point because. You just don't eat just let it go. He started to really let his arm go and you start to hurt and dial at times. which was which was fantastic. That was when the mattress just boiling and at that moment i. did think of the Medvedev final against the US Open last year because Nadal wasn't quite as good in that as he was here but he was comfortably in charge of that final against method and he was a break up in that as well, and then it just became that nerve wracking epic and. Well he just didn't allow that today I, mean. I don't know. One one of the absolute greatest performances of his life. Yeah. Completely Agree I. I'm slightly distracted David by the fact that it now looks like your sort of. Featuring. Insane from the Blair witch project it's great in the I'm in the BBC studio at the moment and we do go from. Day into night whilst we commentating, we've got the screens in front of us, and we got this massive expense of the of the key and and the the horizon with a lovely sunset at the moment. But we started this podcast in the light and twenty minutes in and it's already dark. So. It feels like you commentate in cinema when we did the night sessions, which is a good laugh. Hang. On that I can be there's a curtain that's what yeah. Okay. That's an opening it. I'm Oh, it's a bit odd to do when you're doing a. Somewhat, somewhat less speak understand how it changed to the if it's still light outside what changed in the room for that time, I've been recording twenty minutes day that's called Lens Exposure I think Matt I think just need to face the light. It suddenly got very eerie very quickly though. About five minutes ago. It's GonNa get worse. That's what happened. Right, we'll prepare ourselves. So that something that we haven't talked about yet is that this final was under the roof and I mean as soon as I saw that it was going to be an indoor final I thought that that tip the balance more in favor of Novak Djokovic which I think just makes the performance that Dr put in even more remarkable as the match went on. I started obviously because what we were witnessing wasn't adult dominating I started to think about whether actually the conditions were favoring the dull and I certainly think had it been out? Dole's the Bulls Monaco damp and heavy, and those conditions definitely would have favored Yaacob age. And I was reminded of goodall was indoors in Madrid the Davis Cup finals last year, which to my mind is still one of his greatest feats. What he did that was hard. It wasn't. It was a hard. And you then you then put a Kaikoura underneath and oversee it just makes him even better but there is this obviously narrative around the dog that he's not great indoors I think he's only ever won one title indoors, but I think a lot of that is because it comes at the end of the season and he's normally knackered and here he was fresh in his shots were having so much impact and I think because the court was generally slow because it's a clay Cole Novak Djokovic taking the ball early didn't seem to be having that much effect because it wasn't rushing the dollar in the way that he that he sometimes does and. Yeah I think Djokovic thought the conditions would suit him as well. That's another thing he said in his press conference just maybe another reason why he was surprised and caught off guard at the start of the match think he thought things were going to be in his favor and very quickly well, not quickly but pretty quickly found himself with double breakdown and you never be never properly settled. There was two or three games as you've mentioned in that third set but I never really saw Jovic I expected to see an I dunno to zoom out a little bit that's three grandson finals now in a row well, I don't think Djokovic, played close to his best one two of them the Wimbledon against. Federer and the and the team Australian Open final this year but he was he was they match aware in those finals and you won them by being better in the big moments. But I dunno ever since two, thousand, nine, hundred Austrian Open final that we've rest referenced. He's slightly struggled to find his best tennis in grandfather was I thinking. This was probably the most the most obvious one of the law in he's ordeal been in to press as an end He monico the ended up press, Corp came in very quickly and sounds like it was just all about, Nidal he was just kind of deflecting your questions about himself onto the brilliance of Nidal today, which is completely valid. Yeah, he's don't think he's doing doesn't sound like he's doing much introspection about what he could have done different and that's that's more the side of things I fallen to. Two radio I think I think he does end up looking like a bad performance when you're faced with an opponent playing like that because you got troy stuff, you gotta you gotTa start hitting the panic button and doing things outside of your comfort zone and and. That can lead to sort of some quite troubling looking sort of post ever statistics. So on there was one giveaway moment in his own speech though when he was again fulsome in his praise from the Dow but he also said. Wasn't my best performance he said, and you could see the frustration intimate that point and I found that really interesting because having watched it. Yes. I mean look his first serve percentage that I set was appalling. Really it was about thirty percent and you just can't do that at this level. He raised that very quickly in the second set and he got it up but you know he's putting himself on the backfoot binoche because usually his first service. And his seven generally these days is so difficult to attack and he was making himself a little more tackle by not making that I. But. But I think that that told you that. And I think it's something with these guys that good they think. They should be able to do something about this even even when their opponent is playing that well. And I think he will frustrate him. Even though he knows Nidal was amazing. That said I think it was four love in the first set but it felt like it had been an extraordinarily competitive for love I? Think. I think all of those games had gone to diesel released the T- you said I'm watching this. cussing the the next gen calling the next Gen anymore quite a bit of slack because you want something like this and you realize. Well. Of course, they haven't broken three. How could anyone breakthrough into this room? It's a role move of God's. Still so much better I mean you just you watch those i. That I sat and I think particularly the first seven, the highest quality six love set. You will ever see both sides of the the angles they were coming with the ferocity with which they were hitting the ball accuracy the the way the movements sync up with the way they hit the ball and the patterns of play. It just took my breath away and I think this such a such frustration which I often feel when the next Gen, the next gen anymore calm quite breakthrough and think it's maybe natural to fill that frustration. When you do watch these guys play at this level. Again as I said, it just makes you realize that it's probable that they will never reach this level because this is a level the men's tennis's never really seen before and might not ever see again. So the required level to win Grand Slam tournaments, we'll probably dip I mean we saw that in the US Open final, it was entertaining dramatic match but quality wise. It was a world away from what we saw from Novak Djokovic on dull today and that's okay. That's fine but I think it's just worth mentioning again and again just just how good these guys are. Yeah. I think if we go back in history, there are people that have produced this sort of level rod laver in their own way Pete Sampras, but they haven't done it over this Ling's of period to accumulate this number of titles and the thing is the main thing is that just not getting worse because? All of our established understandings of how tennis careers go had. These guys becoming much lesser forces when they're in the late twenties and and I mean I think I did my first I wonder how much longer Roger Federer got left thirteen years ago and he's still intending to play. Nick season. You know. So but that's because everything we established over the years of what happens when Pete Sampras got to such as j.j he retires and these these guys are just not getting worse. That's that's what I can't understand understand, and it's because of that tactical developments I find them probably more interesting than ever. We've barely even mentioned the fives that Rafal on the dull is now the joint all time. Grand Slam men's record holder. On twenty tied with defender if you think back to when. When Roger Federer tied Pete Sampras's record. And what? Fouteen and how completely momentous that was in the how that was the one nine Lee storyline that day I mean I know it's different because that both active players This is completely momentous. He's playing it down there. Isn't it? Been, he's always been the one of the three that's been. least obsessed by these numbers that doesn't mean he doesn't care about them. Of course, he does, but he's the lease fixated on them if they were if they were anybody questioning our a assumption that Roger Federer was would have been supporting adult today is a tweets by Ephedra, which came out soon often adults victory I wonder at what stage this was composed whether it was. is in notes. It's clearly in notes and yeah but say he's being offered. Four. He said I have always had the utmost respect to my friend, Rafa person and as a champion as my greatest rival for many years I believe we've pushed each other to become better players. That it is a true honor for me to congratulate him on his twentieth grand. Slam. Victory it is especially amazing that he is now on Roland Garros an incredible thirteen times, which is one of the greatest achievements in sport. I also congratulate his team because nobody can do this alone I. Hope Twenty is just another step on the continuing journey for both of us bet. Raj well done Rafeh you deserve it. It's it's really quite something. Isn't it? I. Mean I think it's I do think it's lovely how they are about to each other. Given. What they're. Competing for and and I do look at them a little like that London Madison seen I saw many many years ago when I was a kid of to to run as just crossed the line hand in hand together. Deliberately because they didn't want to either them to win. And I know that these guys do want to beat it. Should I know they do they want they want to be the one but equally those two? I genuinely believe that when all is said and done, they'll be they'll be content. Either way. Well, that's like Chris. Evert. Multiday Navratilova Chris. Said I'm glad we finished on eighteen slams each. and. kind of feels like maybe federal in the dull. Maybe, not as close as a multi universal overall. As a as a friendship or people, but in in tennis terms, it does kind of feel like they've been so. Bonded together. It fails right now that they're both on the same it's it's very likely that. In. May June. Next year ref on the doll will win another French Open and. Have the same number of French opens as Pete Sampras had grand slam titles. He could win two in a year. On Louisville. Yeah for federal is very well and fun now that you're in the same gang. But it it could feel really different. When the dog gets is a new new Liuyang of one. Time leader I D I saying that message in. kind of the whole reaction. To. Win and equally that record a D-. Does make me feel a bit for Novak Djokovic because even on the day that was supposed to be about Jovic in the Dow that fifty-six meeting in the most prolific rivalry men's tennis, it still ended up being about Nidal and Federer he was still the third wheel. Even, on a day when Federer? Wasn't bloom implying. A federal didn't mention him in the night which. I did look. When I thought? Maybe that's just an oversight but. You know I thought he might. just to say unlucky we are. I mean, look don't that'll stop Novak Djokovic from adding to his total for a minute. I think he is coming from all and he will get more but but I found a really enjoyed listening to Nidal after the match and. He was talking about he wouldn't have this talk of twenty. He wanted to concentrate on winning Roland Garros not for thirteen time just winning it winning it outright holding that trophy I mean. That's why so great is because he thinks that he's his mind is not going to places other than this right here right now, and that's what accumulates all these titles for aside along with overseas incredible physicality and his skill. But it goes back something already in preparation for the final today when I got Matt to readouts the name of a Spanish newspaper. Several Times me because I didn't know how to pronounce it I. Wanted To see if I could get it right. Let me other guy. It was the both the Galley Thea now is that right? Excellent right now in this newspaper back in May, Nidal had said it doesn't obsess me nor is it a great goal for me? I am only concerned about my own career in life I'm not worried if the one who lives next to me has a bigger house than mine has a better car or earns more per month than I do if they do. He added one has to be satisfied with what one does, and this is what I've done throughout my career and I'm very satisfied for that. Even if Federal Djokovic finishes with more grandsons than me wanted to fit my happiness ten years from now, and it will be really ironic if he ends up with the most rain to giving, he's the one that wants it the least. Yeah I think he wants it. I just think he's he's he's motivated by it the least. Yeah. That end goal is not what's making him play. He loves competition and he wants to ring out. A drop of. Ability has to compete at the highest level out of his system. I think federal has that in his own way as well. I think he enjoys tennis in a different way to how Nidal enjoys it but. I mean that's I. Love to read in that even though some sometimes they may not make for the greatest soundbite in the world to be talking about the bigger picture a have that. But in his own way there, he's given me some insight that I don't have for the that wouldn't it wouldn't just trip off the tongue any old soundbite wouldn't give me I. Really something to listen to and I also think doll all throughout this pandemic has had a real perspective on tennis place sports place kind of in the world at the moment and I think you kind of saw that in his reaction at the end, it wasn't a typical needle wins gals reaction. We for example, we didn't see him on the clay with racket flung miles away like we've seen. I think twelve times before pretty much every time one he's done the same thing. Yes. He fell to his knees and yes, he obviously got Ted up when the national anthem was playing but he also said in a way it's a bit sad. Well after his first round match, she said the feeling is more sad than usual. Maybe that's what it needs to feel like it needs to be sad many people in the world is suffering. Yeah. I just think he's he's been able to meet the moment in that sense and and keep it in perspective and yes, it obviously means a huge amount to him to win vote on gas for another time and and to equal the Grand Slam record that federal has gotten all these things. But the Dallas knows that there were more important things I think that I think that really does help him and it. It's just really just really showed in everything he said, and the way he's acted this this whole tournament I think. Is this his. Greatest Roland guarantee the fact that. Is In October the reef was on the Bulls changed he did not have the ideal preparation whatsoever. It made me think of the the stone soup story that Madonna is used to tell me when I was a kid, both view giving me blank faces in the stain seep story on. I don't. I think it's an it's analogy grill something relatively lights and. Oh. He's not that exciting, but it's a woman is no way m a homeless man shows up I'm sure it's told instead of world language. So do something some sort of more mystical for homeless man anyway homeless man show shows up on. An old ladies doorstep and says, will make you dinner. If you give me boards for the night and she says, case says, as I can make this lovely sleep just from this stone dishonest the delicious soup you'll ever taste and take goes to the stove and he puts the stone in the PAN with lady. Washington. Yeah. It's going to be delicious. Just needs a little bit of salt and she says Oh we have got some salt and then he gets lovely just needs a few carrots and and she tosses in some carrots for him. Great just needs a bit of salary in some chicken and some stock in. All. The rest of it and then he says that the and she says she's comp believe how delicious Stone Cpas just how can you make soup sage delicious from some stone and a yeah it felt like. Okay it's rougher winning at Roland Garros. But how many of those ingredients are actually the Roland Garros ingredients that usually? Make microphone on Adele. So great foes feels like all of them were. Taken away, pretty much apart from the concrete stadium and the Klay Beneath his feet. Everything else was. Turned on its head and he still won the thing without dropping a set without even facing a set point. Now if I didn't think the stone seep analogy works at all does it Have I. Just bold people with the weird is story. I I like it because in the end he so good. That he can even though allies bits of being taken away still falls. Oh Yeah. Will they the state zip stories about things being put in? Thanks thanks, David. Vagina help me that anyway, you will enjoy the story. something. You were saying. I guess I've always thought of Nidal. Random Garo says as a kind of marriage of the perfect plan for the perfect conditions and this addition has. Shown me the actually maybe it's just the perfect client. And so it's all from the Dow because you. As you said, you can change the month you can change the bowls you can change the temperature you can put a roof on it. Nidal still wins. He's still the Guy I still don't think he's been beaten at that venue when he's been fit I think in two thousand, fifteen, he was well below his best the whole year. And jackovitch crush them and in two thousand, nine settling played a brilliant match but wrath on a dull was clearly not right. He had knee trouble pulled out of Wimbledon just a month later. When he plays his best he wins and yes, there is something about the venue think the core helps him the way he can stand so far back is it is an advantage that that he has on that court maybe doesn't have another clay-court and the five sets help him for oil, but basically, it's just because he is so great and so extraordinary. and. I cannot think of an achievement in tennis or really in sport that I'm sure there are some. But for me, it's it's the greatest tennis achievement Dole's Nidal's continued dominance vote on Garros. I mean Y- Chris. tweets it. This is a record that will loss fraternity it is it is that good. Yeah I'm wary if I'm wearing the hyperbole of this is one of the greatest achievement in sport however however. It's it's read it rarely sporting achievements that you. Feel comfortable saying definitively, this will never be matched because you just opening yourself up to looking at some stage in the future because sport is all about the unexpected and the astounding in and you know never say never. But I think pretty much old commentators. Mary. said it the other day full costing his wind today the. The Teen Roland guarantees will never be matched it just be thirteen and counting ps will never be much. So that has to put it in the conversation for greatest sporting achievement for me. The only way I could suggest that it might be is that if the trajectory of PLA- careers continues lengthening and Plays ended up being out of play just because of sports science way longer and somebody comes along with the dial light talent. That's that's the only thing I can think of, but I think we could be waiting. Way Way past our lifetimes anyway for that and by the way I. Still Think we can make this stone soup thing work. All we need to do is Have the vegetables and stuff and the stock that taken out, and it's still just as good. Catherine don't wave if we do it's literally the opposite of the. Survey said. But still works now, we still use it. We just need to turn it completely on its head. So yeah, well, I said but. The opposite. It's on your straight nobody else list. This is what you'd be paying you money for in December fakes. The Northern Large Story I. I guess I guess. What I would want to side on the dial and I agree I got caught in the trap of getting swept up with hyperbole I warned, do that could happen but I do I was I was. Pushing the hyperbole along. What I think is there are no there are absolutely no asterisks at all related to it because it's common the era that we're defining as the greatest men's tennis and it's a, it's an individual achievement this all been done by an adult and I think that's what makes it so incredible you can look at dynasties of teams and but that's that's involved several other players but this is just a singular individual achievement over a lengthy period of time sort of ticks, all the boxes. So what now for the grand? SLAM RACE Looking to make. A few David is it now looks like you'll. and. It does. It does look like a horror movie awry actually it does look like the Blair witch project. So. How well look I I would make jackovitch favorite for the Australian Open because Giacobbe twins the Australian Open that's just that's just what happens. He's not far offers dominant. There is no nidal on the. French. There's there's absolutely no certainty about any of these things other than the Dow is going to win the French Open as long as he's fit most likely WHO's the WHO's the favorite right now? So finished with the most, I would probably say, Nidal Yeah I think so. Because I. Think he's A very strong favourite to get twenty one and that requires. Djokovic winning five mole to take him and that's that's possible. But it's it's a big look to lot of slam your. He doesn't get injured which he may not see May and looking at it in terms that you put it yesterday might look in terms of time. Jovic is is thirty-three currently right? I. Mean Five Slams is kind of even if he remains dominant most likely three seasons, worth of slam winning isn't it? Okay. He could have a season of winning three. It's not unthinkable still, but let's say he wins two year for the next couple of years. He still has to continue doing that into twenty twenty three. Seeming Nidal's wins next year's French Open. Minimum so Yeah I'd say Nidal. And of Kussin does go. The Olympic gold. As. Well. We don't need to worry about tie-breaks until twenty, twenty twenty. T think do you think there will be no probably because I would love it if we just for a moment in time. All three of them on the same. would be amazing. It feels unlikely. Doesn't it because? Del, probably, win will reach Twenty will next year Or? Would, if Federer federal did a twenty seventeen on the Australian. The Dole wins the French than a python twenty worn George Winston next to joe for the next two. So he's on nineteen and then he went just running open. To get into but then we're back on Garissa again. My new money, the older slams is. Yes longest. For granted yeah. Yes. Wimbledon could announce that it's happening in in January. Yes. Let's not. Let's not make any more predictions. Wouldn't earth will be happening in twenty twenty one? Seven to make that road trip happen that's Day. I got about three twenty eight predictions, right Yes none of us got any points today did we but we know who the winners were. Pushing for the growth to be published by the way folks kids it's A. World. Also in the positive. What else is on the agenda? I don't think anything because that's the end of the tournament, David. Nothing to look ahead to. Other than Oblique. Black abyss. Much. Like you'll backdrop the moment. have. David. The BBC's I'm confused on. No, we we do. I didn't think I needed them at the start of the podcast and midway I couldn't really stop and go overturn among say. Now into this sort of look. Okay. Yeah your teeth gleaming white because you're smiling so much. They're really jumping out of the darkness. Runs. Yeah there's nothing took ahead. They'll still be more weekly podcast worry. There's the ATP finals. In November at the O, two events building up to that as well. There's a couple of more events on the tape to unfortunately new strove and lintz sheduled at the moment. So we'll we'll be covering all of the remaining tennis. We're going to be having planning meetings in in A. Time we're going to be doing on live show A. Zoom that's going to be new uncharted territory I he and I might plan another quiz. There's still more tennis podcasting to come, but in terms of the French. Open. System. Making me very anxious. It'd be less nerve wracking math thin. I think say easy. Yeah I suppose I myself could not all. Claim technological woes if it's going badly. Yeah that's David's Goaty. But in terms of the French Open, the new one result we haven't talked about that is to me by an Christina Danilovich, the second seeds. winning. The women's doubles title six, four, seven, five over grouchy and craft chick. Imagine that felt really good for them because of course they were withdrawn from the USA. top-seeds. G to Christina Medina Vich is quarantine situation so she's To firm identified chairman I know she calls some of our own issues own made a lot of a lot of noise around that time, but she went through pretty tricky time. Being in quarantine and and then obviously she had that first round in the singles here where she was five on up and there's the double bounce and Sydney went running away from. She's a heck of a doubles plan. I mean, those two what a partnership they've turned into. Yeah. Absolutely. The shore. So. That's it for the twenty twenty franchise that grand? Slam tennis. This year, we'll find something something to relive some stage seen that you worry and yet the Australian. Open is is going ahead. They creating these very sounding quarantine bubbles for. Tennis players sound like sort of theme parks not available to journalists. Unfortunately. It will be covering it worry. We'll be doing daily podcasts on the Australian Open I presume that will be a caravan. But that's it for Grand Slams into twenty twenty every house how we feel about that literal doom and gloom for David? Well, yes. I I. Am now in the pitch black I can't see. I can say anything. But anyway we. David. Kinda sums everything ready for the doesn't it? And yet, we're still talking even from the gloom that's the tennis podcast for you. Yeah Five, five Grand Slams the PODCAST. We've done any year when we only had mini three. Hundred Twenty five pods and counting out all time record is. One hundred thirty. which was lost Jason. We're going to beat that comfortably in a pandemic year thanks David I'll just make a mention of Andy, Lapthorne as well just before. We finish. Because after his defeat in the quad singles yesterday to an all cart. He revealed that he was GonNa take a break from tennis because of mental health issues There's a story on the BBC. Sport website. which quotes him as saying, it'll be his last match for a while. He said if I'm honest, it was really difficult to get out of bed this morning and to put myself in the position I did today going onto court into high pressure live on TV against probably the best player that's ever played in division was really tough. I've probably been in a bit of denial as to what it actually is what it was So we just want to wish him the very best owned. To take his time and and to get well soon, and. Thinking of. Absolutely, Yep, well, said on the same goes for Cam unstaged and J you have been so wonderfully supportive of the podcast come has been. An absolutely immense and joyful addition to coverage of the last couple of weeks stopped be sentenced today, Steve. It means the world to us and I'm so glad that has been able to enjoy the friendship in twenty twenty. Thank you. Thank you David and Matt thank you for everyone that's sent his lovely nights. They ready a lot to us and we will them. Try I'm responsible Lou them. 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2019 Davis Cup Review

The Tennis Addict Podcast

42:30 min | 1 year ago

2019 Davis Cup Review

"To Be Kidding me stoking. Hello everybody and welcome back to the PODCAST. I'm your host Michael and this is going to be the Davis Cup. Review this episode. I'm GonNa talk a little about some of the news. Come out in tennis road or that'd be fair there hasn't been much At least much I feel like really needs to be covered. This mostly just going to be talking about Davis Cup considering that it was the premier event of the last week now so want to talk about the positives and negatives of the Davis Cup this year. And we're GonNa talk about an adult and his efforts in this In this victory Team victory on some of the upsets. That happened of course But really this is GONNA be You know me talking about more or less how I thought the first year in this new format went Because there were good things and bad things and we'll get to that all right So let's out in set one with the news and as I stated Ross Doll led his Davis Cup team to victory Spain over Canada in the finals of the new. Look Davis Cup after defeating Dennis Popoff. It is the Davis Cup. In which part of the winning team and the sixth overall title for Spain beginning with their first in two thousand. Yeah Again. It's just a a great effort really From from Spain and integrate effort from Canada. I'm not a team. I think that most people felt was going to be a real player. Have a lot of young talent. But it wasn't a team. I think a lot of People betting on this competition would have probably picked to get to the final. I might a winning stone. Get to the final But it happened you know. They played very well The the really Got IT OUT. Some tough victories Throughout the five days Yep So it was a really great effort by Canada. Spain however Was able to to win and in an adult The clincher of Russia Pavlov but also Roberta Batista Gut's and we'll talk about him as well His victory over Australia seem How that Played a obviously a big role for the day but You know what that you'd had gone through during the week. is Yeah we'll talk about that right so there really isn't a whole lot like I said news wise. That's really the big thing. Obviously I'm recovering that on the women's side and that it'd be t a second in the season's over you know at this point Players in the WTC side. They're taking a break. You've probably seen a lot of players. takes time off They've been off now for what deliver week. Now I believe Maybe a little longer And it's it's great you know. They probably went home. Said you know what I'm I'm flying off to some Caribbean Tropical Island and came back for week Maybe longer so you probably saw some players head out to maybe catch some sun to kick back. Relax a little bit Unwind. It's a long season folks. It's just you know there's a lot of There's breaks in the calendar right for tennis player. But there's nothing like the end of the year there really isn't because it feels weird for players like even the end of the your break is just the break between the end of the season and getting out getting ready for the new season so it's not like it's any different from having a few weeks off at any of the point point in the season except you're technically still in the season so it feels like there's all this pressure you now like even if you have a break like you can't really have a break you know you're just trying to to do whatever you gotTa do to heal up or train if you if you have a training block may be in between tournaments Maybe have a few weeks off or maybe lost early and see of time to kind of go back just spent some quality time in the gym But you really don't have time to just unwind a little bit in it's important to tennis is a very physically and I think the part that most often doesn't get looked at as the the emotional and mental part of the game which it's exhausting. In fact I would say. It's more exhausting really than the physical part. You can physically breakdown you can get injured and yes retired but I would argue that emotionally and mentally. That's the hardest part and a lot of ways so to get to the end of the season in have the opportunity to just unwind a little bit. Yeah you know you got to start training for the next year. That's coming up but sometimes it's nice to take a couple of weeks in just not think about tennis for for a while and I think that's probably what's been happening here but it's not just all you know sunshine and sand and ties and all that fun stuff Obviously there are things that are happening. And a Lotta. That really comes down to coaching changes. So we doesn't Change Carolina. Push give ended up steam teaming up with Daniel Overdue and Energy Kerber is now teamed up with Deedee Kimmelman and Here's here's one that I think is Interesting Gabino Mugabe. Ruth has teen back up with Cheetah Martinez. So if you remember a few years ago Mark Levin Ruth had that really great run to the Wimbledon title and it was in part she she a ton of credit to cheat a Martinez who stepped in for her coach for McGrath is coach. Because they were out with a kid. A child And so can she to Martinez stepped in and You know it was great. Now she ended up teaming up She ended up going. I think with a couple of different players in that timespan but ultimately I. I'm I'm surprised but this could also be something. That really helps Gabino McGrath. Because she has had a tough run honestly for probably I would say at least the last eighteen months It's not been a good run for her for a while And she's always been a bit of a hot and cold player. Her highs are really high talking winning Grand Slams. Her lows are are low She's not a consistent player on tore She probably is the definition a lot of ways of hot and cold when she's hot men. She is red hot when she is cold. She is cold like like Pluto Basically an ice ball Pretty much It sounds terrible. Maybe and maybe I'm being harsh here but it's it's just look at the results results in nothing good. She hasn't posted. I A solid result in a while this that I can remember In some of those dude injury no doubt about it. There's definitely smitten injury issues with her. But it's not just injury issues Even when she's seemingly healthy her tennis is not very good. So we'll see what can cheat on Martinez can can do here. Hopefully they can team up in and she can help her figure out what's going on because yeah it's been good And we'll see what happens with Kerber and push go. Maybe their new coaches will help them get across the finish line Kerber. She's already been there. She's one Grand Slams Pushpa oh-so-close oh-so-close. She's been there before she walked in the Grand Slam finals but she hasn't won all right. let's get to set to here. Which obviously this is going to be the big one because when you talk about Davis Cup Davis Cup. Generally here okay. I want to talk about when I think the positives and negatives when it comes to this new format okay. So let me first. Start out by explaining that I. I wasn't all that sold on this new Davis Cup idea when it was announced Michael Eric was still in the podcast regularly And we talked about. We talked about the fact. That Davis Cup. Just the idea of this new look just didn't feel right. It would take away from the great things. That Davis Cup had going for it right. The atmosphere The crowds and all that stuff you know traveling to the home countries who was hosting the Davis Cup between the teams. Whatever team. They're playing. You know it. Just it. Had An atmosphere ahead of attrition. It's I really wasn't all that sort on this but let me just say that. I am now sold on Davis Cup. I am There are things that are wrong. The things that have gone wrong in this last week and I would definitely touch on those but let me just say I think the new Look Davis Cup has been a success on the positive side. Let me just say this Davis Cup for probably the last fifteen maybe twenty years but definitely I would say the last fifteen years his had it rough okay There has been diminishing returns for Davis Cup for quite some time. It has increasingly been kind of forgotten. Okay and the reason. Why is that? Is the game of tea is tennis? Has become increasingly. More physical more demanding of the players. It requires more. It requires more physically from them. It requires more mentally and emotionally You know the the toll that it takes on your body to be able to stop on a dime and smashed a forehand then sprint to the other side hit a defensive shot then run back across the court once again. Hit another shot and do that over and over and over again. It's it's it's a lot is just physically more demanding now than ever and it has been going in that direction for a long time but part of the problem is that players. Just don't have the ability or at least they don't feel like they really had the ability to commit Davis Cup in the past You've course Nidal has done it in the past and and he's one Davis until has roger. Novak has one Davis Cup any. Murray his Davis Cup. They've all won Davis Cup but their participation has been up been on year to year basis. It's been spotty. It's been here and there and without the big names without the best players in the world committing to Davis Cup. It creates a problem. You don't have the big names. Therefore you don't have quite the same draw. Sure fans will show up. But you're not going to get the kind of attention that you need especially in this day and age and because of that Davis Cup has been suffering. It's been suffering your ratings wise. It doesn't get the attention it used to get. It's the only really the only team event I mean. Yes we have. We have labor cop in and we have coming. Atp Cup which is going to start January early January. I think January third of next year of course but Davis Cup has been around for like a hundred and twenty years maybe nineteen years hundred twenty years one of those It's been around for a very long time okay. So there's a Lotta tradition wrapped up into this but Davis Cup like a lot of things needed to come into the new era right. They needed to revamp Davis Cup. Instead of spreading it out across the entire calendar enforcing players to have to commit four times. Possibly you know It has allowed players to commit to just five days. They know the Davis Cup is going to be every year. They know where it's going to be at. There's more likely a chance that they'll actually be able to commit. At the end of the season he'll be able to get most if not all of the very best players in tennis. So Davis Cup needed modernisation. I know it sounds terrible and another author that will be. Hemmitt vehemently vehemently vehemently disagree with me. They'll say that I'm wrong to say. Hey Look Davis Cup. Just leave it alone. It was great the way it was it's et Cetera. I understand what you're saying I was there I was there totally agree. I was like this is a bad idea. I don't like it. I don't get changing this but after having seen how this week went in and let me be up front here. I am a big Fan. You guys know that but I'm also I also try very hard to be fair right. I mean I'm critical of my own favorite players. If they're not doing well I will not hold back and you guys should know that. I've said things about the tone. The past and up in very kind interpreted terms of his performance and like give credit whenever other players. Maybe they're not my favorite players but I'm very complimentary of them. Right if Novak Djokovic wins a Grand Slam I look at his performance objectively and say hey this is a great performance disagree win by him it's et Cetera et Cetera. Same Roger Saint for Anybody Right. You have to be objective. And that's what I do here. I mean yes. Nidal is my favorite player but I also am a tennis fan heart e tennis fan on in the Dolphin necessarily all the time he tennis fan. I Love Tennis. I Love Nidal second okay. So I'm objective. We say 'em as much as I possibly could be as orm saying is even though Spain one this week and it all one group performance and all that stuff. I'm looking at the Davis Cup. In the way everything played out and regards even if even if the doll wouldn't have played well or he would've lost or even if Spain would've lost. I still would look at this week in. I would give it a thumbs up now. There were problems and I'll get to this in a minute but I'm just saying this was a success. The compressed format helps eliminate the issues that came from spreading the Davis Cup of out. Over the course of the year okay. It stripped down IT STREAMLINE. The event in a way that made it easy to understand and so in an easy to follow someone says gee they don't have the five-set marathons like they used to. You know when you get this huge five said you know three four hour for five. Our you know match you know out there and they have been some of the great some of the. All Time. Great moments in Davis Kapit. History has been this big long. Five-set marathons with these. These are no longer are going to be A possibility because it's it's best of three so the best you're GONNA get a three-set matches and it's it's important because you know it makes sense in a five day span. You cannot possibly expect player to go five sets and possibly come out the next day into over against it. No no can't happen But I don't think that that is necessary. As great as those five marathons were given the wear and tear that some of these players would deal with by playing multiple matches over the course of five days. There's no way so again. You might say well book a fun. Let's go back to the old Davis Cup format. And let's just stick with the way it was and we can have this five-set matches etcetera etcetera. I understand your point. I'm just saying that there's no way they could do it. Moving forward not in this format. But that's okay because I think it worked despite the problems by issues that cropped up I think it worked. The atmosphere was incredible in the back into the tournament Obviously the helped the home team was the one that was in the final But I still think after the initial struggles Philip. Things started to work out. The teams were all in the players Rollin. Anybody who came into Davis Cup at the end of the year here was ready to win it. Novak the doll everybody Indy Murray. He played a match. He helped his team. I mean it was. It was accepted as a success. I think it was a success and I think it will be moving forward. The tradition it needed to evolve it needed to evolve. It had to in in an era like we're in now with with ever decreasing attention spans. People getting confused if you look at the Davis Cup format. It was confusing times. It was sometimes. It's hard understand hard to follow at times. There was often complaints about that. That that's all gone. I mean it's five days you can understand it you know who's playing all that stuff in a work bloomington into the negatives gives there are negatives number one you cannot have matches regularly finishing in the wee hours of the morning. Okay is latest. Four early is four. Am Is it laters early It's both because when you're finishing up a match around four am. I mean that's ridiculous. That's absolutely ridiculous. I cannot I could not believe that a match would finish it four. Am is just not and you cannot expect that the players to come back the next day in dude again no way That's number one number two Watching matches in the early portion of the week or the portion of Davis Cup whereas at fifty percent capacity during the first several days it was not a good look. It looked bad. He got these teams. That are out there. The fighting hard. This is fighting hard and Davis Cup in the stands is like you can barely see anybody. There it's ridiculous. It was awful I understand people are working etcetera etcetera but is organizers. You have to come up with a way to make sure that those stands are filled because it does not look good when they're not sluts another thing The the website was difficult to navigate their tunnel bugs. I was not a fan. I mean I I made my way through that site at tried to get certain places to get certain information and I found myself having a hard time doing it and given the amount of time they had to plan this whole thing. Kind of inexcusable. You have a website. That doesn't work very well. So that's another thing and then here's the away. The worst given how much is riding on success of the first year of this kind of new look Davis Cup the fact that neither ESPN or the tennis channel in the US bought the rights is awful. Now from what I've heard the price was simply too high for either of the companies to pay that they weren't willing to pay the high of a price so it was on Fox sports to Fox sports to most people didn't even know that. So it's just you're you're doing a good job overall but there's definitely room for improvement. They've gotta get these kings worked out. They've got to get this in the United States On a network that people will go watch Davis Cup. Because most people didn't even know that it was on Fox Fox worse too I didn't initially and then I found out like okay. What's worrying new watch it? I didn't know you didn't I mean it's just it's it's not very well planned and the fact that he didn't have this in the United States in ESPN or the tennis channel. It's inexcusable so near the positives. They're definitely a lot of positive. The atmosphere was great in the end. The lasting image of course unit all laying on the ground Exhausted happy his team. You know on top of them. You know yelling at them screaming at him. That's great. It's great image. Would it be great image food anybody? In the end of the day it was it was the passion the excitement the fans the atmosphere. The arena was great from what I've heard. The the courts were excellent. Nobody had any real complaints about that with the technology issues. The website you know play matches into the hours of the morning the stands being quite empty. I mean you can't do that not in the early stages of the tormented not at any point really so anyway. I think overall Davis Cup worked it was successful and if they can work out these issues moving forward. I think it will be very good. I mean very very good I think this will ultimately end up being a real success two or three years from now we could be talking about. The Davis Cup is a very well run Excellent overall event and I think you'd see the fans coming around the people who might be on the fence renouncing. I don't know maybe I don't like him. Maybe I can do like it. I think you may find out in a couple of years to three years. Now you know maybe saying You know what? They made some improvements. The things that complain about before gone. This is excellent. So let's move on and talk about the results so If you look at the quarterfinals all right which is the beginning of the week. Russia shocked everybody right now to one over Serbia. It went to the doubles match at the end. Oh and by the way. That's another thing. I want to talk about briefly. Hold on one second so doubles in the past in Cup they were never the marquee event right. The there were great Some fantastic doubles matches. But if you lost the doubles match you still had a way of redeeming yourself. You could find an opportunity to redeem yourself but one of the great things about doubles in this pull event. That was that if the two teams split their first two matches within the deciding. Rubber was the doubles match. Which is great and I loved it. I love the fact that it came down to doubles. That was the thing that got you over the Hump. If you've split the first two matches the first two singles matches I love that and I'm really glad because it. It gave doubles the opportunity to really be in the spotlight. It allowed the teams to really showcase some fantastic doubles matches and doubles teams. So that's another thing that goes in the positives. I really did like that. A liquid they did there and that that's what happened here. Russia Serbia that got into this really huge battle went to a tiebreaker. In the third set of the doubles match there are multiple match points by Serbia that they were Quickly evaporated by Russia Russia. One IT WAS. It was a really really tough match in Russia. Van Way give just get over the finish line. It was It was a great win. Next up was Canada's two one win over Australia. There was a kind of an attempted comeback thereby Australia. But didn't work out ultimately and candid was able to win. Next up was Great Britain to over Germany Partially because of Andy. Murray played his his singles match. He won a singles match He then put out for the rest Davis copy of thought. Apparently a little bit of a A slight injury issue nothing to be worried about. He said just did a precaution. So you know that's fine and then Spain to win over Argentina. Great Great Win By an adult over Us Diego Schwartzman You know obviously it all played well when at six one six two and then the rubber. The third rubber was a three-set win both which was no doll and Marcel. Akron liaise over Maximum Gonzales. Inland Leonardo Mayer Great. Win there and then moving on the semi finals. It was Canada over Russia to one. Which of course was a fantastic effort. There Andre Rube love. When the first match over VASIC pospisil Dennis Pablo one of three CETERA. Over a Karen Hatch Nov you know then Pospisil in Japan defeated hatching off Andrew. Love in it in a very tight very tight three center in tie-break in the third seven five. I mean great stuff great stuff by Canada to get to the final and then the other side. It was a Spain over. Great Britain Cow Edmund took out Feliciano Lopez Nidal took out Daniel Evans and then it came down to a excellent two-set victory by the dollar and Lopez over Jamie Murray and Neil Scoop Sqi so I mean it was a tight tiebreak in the second one. That was a tiebreak in the first seven three second-set-tiebreaker ten eight doll Played fantastic in that tiebreak. Hit some unbelievable shots was a great lob on set point lobbed it over Jamie Murray head in the corner just hit the back of the line. Put that overhead away and six after that Slam and then Nidal was able to hit a couple of big forehands later in the tie-break and then it was served out by Fleece Unit Lopez with an unreturnable serve. So it's just a great victory ultimately Bina donepezil to really get into the final and then the final really was it was It was weird so yeah Felix Australia seem was brought in Because there was an issue with the players on the team I can't remember who it was but obviously had to come in in relief and he hadn't played almost all in quite like something like five or six weeks he came any. He played Roberto Batista Gut's and ended up losing seven six six three. And here's the thing and I want to talk about this because what Roberto Batista you did is unbelievable in this match so Roberta losses father a few days before this match He flew back a he said goodbye to his father and then he rejoined his team came out the next day and won this match. I cannot possibly understand how he did. It admitted to be able to focus on a tennis ball after you have had an incredible loss is I just. It's amazing that he could even do it. I I mean I made in that. He had the ability to concentrate and hit a ball. Hit a tennis ball. Which by the way I you know. Very sorry to hear that Ha having lost a parent like that so this is terrible but he came out and he he fell. He needed to be there for his team. He played he won. And then it was the doll versus. Pablo all winning at six. Three seven six nine. Seven in the tie-break He kind of pushed Pavlov around the first sad second-set Pablo gains footing. Really went toe to toe with at all played very well and a pushed to the limit you could tell. A doll was getting a little tired He played eight matches over the course of five days. A lot of matches so He was to kind of get a little tired but he he found the little extra gear gear in the back end there. He had multiple match points. He let them slip away just regrouped and debris add to do in one with that That last point which was a return cross court and CHIAPPA WLOV ended up with a low percentage down the line forehand which hit the net. And that was that so I wanna I wanna ask you guys something and I probably should say girls as well because it's not just guys and women that definitely listen to my podcast have written him before. How are we to put Nidal's performance into perspective? Here he went eight eight nine for the week. Five singles three known doubles. That's a lot of tennis for anybody just just. The five singles matches is a lot of tennis but to come out and In in some of the huge just massive moments. He was able to bring out his best tennis in both singles and the doubles definitely doubles and will his team to victory. Because that's basically what he did here. This was a team effort. Don't get me wrong. Other players played in one for Spain at the players teamed up with his own doubles but at the end of the day. This was basically I think Nidal willing his team victory. He was pushing them just just pushing them constantly to victory. But how are we to put this in perspective? And that's what I like to get from you. Is it impressive league? Not impressed I I. Don't I don't know you know on one hand. It's it's a singularly impressive performance one of the more impressive performances in his entire career. But but will this be an outlier. The problem is we don't know because this is the first year that this new format exists. So is this going to be calm. And we're GONNA see this all the time players playing seven eight nine matches you know the best players on their team best players in the world. You're playing that many matches to help their team. When Davis Cup at the end of the year is GonNa be kind of just a common thing or we can look back on this and five ten years ago. Wow that's an outlier. That's that's not something we're seeing. I don't know I don't know I mean I would say my opinion is that it's going to be somewhat common is common enough to see players. Play multiple singles matches in multiple doubles matches. I don't know if we'll get eight eight a lot of matches I just don't know and we'll have to wait and see. Certainly the players and teams during this Davis Cup played a lot of matches themselves. And they're going to send ten otherwise but also that always thirty-three all right and he's GonNa be thirty four next so given his age too. That's a pretty big achievement to it's just it just is. It's a lot of tennis LAW TESTS FOR ANY PLAYER OF ANY AGE. Let alone someone who's thirty three years old and has is many miles on their on. Their fetus. Nidal does a lot of miles so I don't know I mean it's just. It's a great achievement. Winning Davis Cup means something. It does it does it. It should it's one of the most prestigious events we have no. It's not a grand slam. I get that is not the. Atp World Tour Finals but it's still a very very big event. And I think that this new format will help kind of revitalized Davis Cup. If they do a correctly if they if they get the exposure out there I think it will be the kind of revitalization that the the whole thing is needed for probably at least the last decade. If not longer so yet look at the end of the day I think it was great worked. There were some kings definitely but the whole thing ended up being worth it and a success success for everybody definitely was A. It was a success for Spain. The home country imagery in front of the fans on a doll laying on the ground Basking in the glow of the the crowd. You're roaring out of the Davis Cup win the first one that Spain's had since two thousand eleven. It's just it's just a big deal you know so you know at the end of the day. I think this will work this work moving forward. They work out the problems. They will make this a fantastic fantastic event. All right let me know what you guys think about Davis Cup. Would you think about it? Did you like the change? Did you dislike the change? What about the issues? That cropped up part of the unforgivable Do you think the work the kings out and then kind of in a year or two. We'll be looking at this in a very different light. At least they'd better light. You know for the fact that the absence of issues hopefully will be. They'll be gone What did you think about Spain? Winning how would you put in perspective? 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Episode 277c: 2020 French Open Day 3 - Fun With Props with Ricky Dimon

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Episode 277c: 2020 French Open Day 3 - Fun With Props with Ricky Dimon

"The. Welcome to new challenges remaining on day three of the twenty twenty you know day three of the twenty twenty French Open coming so fast and then Rothenberg on what was the final round of the day I. can't talk at all final day of the first round of the French Open. How about that on day three? Ricky diamond is here back on the show very frequent guest usually around this time of year ricky when you're in DC at so you're going to be on the show here trying to replicate what we normally do at the French Open but I ricky thanks for being here. Yeah. Thanks for having me bizarre that usually in DC running the marathon announced French Open. I know it's all been weird. I mean I was. Just like how does this French Open field to you so far? I gotta say it feels between like the roof and especially the lights which are adding night matches, which never were thing previously at the French Open and it being in September October it feels like an entirely different tournament like I don't recognize much this French Open at all. Jopin. Yeah I mean it's it's bizarre like like you said by the roof and the night matches like it's just like even weirder than we thought it was going to be and plus it's like freezing everyone's bundled up and yeah. Yeah it's so bizarre and then just like in the broader like sports were by it's going on at the same time it was like the Stanley Cup finals in the NBA finals the baseball actually usually happens we're late. Yes same. Finals. Yeah. So it's just weird everything's going on. It's just bizarre. Stem, NFL. It just feels like it feels way more different from the normal tournament. Than the US, open did US Open. I thought was much more recognizably US Open the terminus French. Yeah having I mean, both is bizarre with no fans like the atmosphere at the US Open was just totally different because. Usually. Night matches their out of control. So that was. That was kind of striking. Agree that this is. French Open just wild. What do you think of the level of tennis so far I mean I think it's been pretty good. All things considered. Pretty entertained by a couple of minutes five-setters CINCY possum. It was actually really high quality. TEIGEN'S G Estino Steno yeah. Yeah. That was a wild one in the quality was messy good throughout that I mean a lot of entertaining ashes so far. So given the circumstances, it's not bad good. Stuff will actually have a question ask he later in today's show up the Justino he's GonNa come up in what were you gonNa we're trying to replicate here normally French Open time when. It's the one slam that I stat with friends ricky and I have stayed the same house there. The last several years along with Courtney a couple other people You may know or may have been on the show at various times, and so we're GonNa try to replicate what we usually do at the kitchen table each night there in that house or sometimes the kebab place. Blocks away debating basically making our predictions learning out over weird details of the next day's play prop bets basically these are. By the way I was thinking I was saying my late late it's about place would have been this year with. Lights in the roof like play with would have ended like midnight and we'd be at the KEBAB place like four. Am Well I. Think the lights are going to be a pretty permanent change. Right? Lights are not in a what I'm thinking. So they're not gonna be from now on we're going to be. The push for late night dining options in Bologne billancourt is going to be even more extreme than it is already. Pizza. Place we found is going to be crucial that the kebab place, which is a little hit myth last year, but generally pretty good did these things will be crucial. So normally we we have the next order play and we look and figure out things are going to happen and we wait we do this as we come up with basically an odd number of things we disagree on the who who wins the next day's props. So hopefully, this makes sense as we go along for people were. Pretty different kind of. Florida prediction making. What would do on the show but I was looking to order play came up with twenty five possible things for us to possibly disagree on. If we don't if we can't reach a disagreement on them, we can't figure out some way to predict different outcomes with relative confidence. Then we will scrap that one. So a lot of spares in here not expecting to actually institute all twenty-five maybe we'll narrow it down to like thirteen fifteen tonight that ideally but one have a lot of spares and give people a sense of how they work. So the first one I have ricky to get right into it is in the twelve time champion Rafael Thirteen this year against protected ranking entry Mackenzie McDonald. I Have Games won by McKenzie McDonald as our first one and I will start the bidding for you at eight point five, which basically means do you forgo hit on how the point fives and the the betting works if Ricky thinks canton will win eight or fewer games he will take under if you think so when nine or more games he will go over So that that is the first lineup suggesting and if we if we if I, don't feel comfortable taking on the other like I'd be okay with either side of this one can say right now but we can sort of adjust massage the number as it goes. So Ricky, what are your thoughts is I thought that I? I offer I have to say that's a good line eight point five. Basically, that basically means like a two three and three would be under right? Yeah. Three, three, three, three, three, three, and three would be over for McDonald. Yeah. Three three and threes blow out Nidal lost eight to garage Zima of. Here that I think he those ten maybe no. Lost Ten four point two. Yeah. But he's a big hitter than MacDonald MacDonald basically got a bye in the first round against D as. Man. I think I think I would go over eight point five just you know the conditions aren't that good for Nidal I. Got I. Don't know if he's completely wipe out like a consistent baseline like Donald. Yeah. Yeah I will take the under good I was going to take you to one of those I'm okay with that. Okay. All right. Guard, that was a good start we're off to broaden running I'll recap all these at the end now, and I will also the other thing we'll do is post all these on twitter and our Patriot guys play along make your own picks and we'll keep scores and see how does hopefully get picks in in time for played starter close enough to it. Next one, I have number two is fewer games lost tomorrow dominant team versus Jack sock or Sasha's Vera versus Pierre Air Bear. Who will lose fewer games. Just pick pick teams I think Dominic team will lose fewer games. that. Expand your thoughts and it will be even in these conditions better on clay than Zverev. and. I mean soccer's sake like. Yeah, he won his first round match but. Is Still Jack sock like he's not the player was two, thousand, seventeen. He was first round pretty convincingly actually over a PALCA. Yeah I was surprised it was that convincing but still it's poku clay. Okay I mean. You're. GonNa take team I will take. I'll take care of I. Think I think air barrier is like a real fast court player will not like this. It's it's so full of confidence. Right now, somewhat unearned largely, but also earned. and. I i. think it could serve him well. I'll just take it I don't know if I love that but I'm willing to just lock it in to get somewhere in here because we'll see how the rest and those are pretty top line. big-name picks gets more obscure later on in the days play number three same player double-faults by Sasha's of tomorrow in this match against Pierre Uber he I can tell. You he hit two in his first rounding into Dennis. Novak to he only. Yeah. Sasha. They've only hit two in its first round against Dennis Novak a shockingly low number I was very surprised to see that when I did my quick research here I have set the line for double-faults for against in the next match against her bare tomorrow at six point five. I that line before I? Saw The two. But That was more the ballpark what I was thinking. So I'm GONNA leave there. Six six point five. Yeah. In a besting match now, obviously, if you match is going four or five sets. That would courage over yeah. That's a factor I mean he shouldn't lose a set tear bear but he autonomy he almost lost a set to Novak couch I'm shocked. The only two doubles against Novak. Yeah, I'M GONNA lean towards I'm going to go with. The. Because I don't think it's going to be a competitive match and there won't be. There won't be pressure on the pressure is obviously when he wanted to double-faults come in. So I'm going to go under, but I'm not overly. Okay, would you would you? Would you take under five point five I moved down one That's tough. He would have to win in straight. L. Go. Yeah. I would go under just because he hit two against Novak, right? Okay. Okay. Cool. All right. I. Will Hit I think over five point five. All right. Next one, Mexico's first second row participant in women's singles in the French Open in twenty something years Renata Zara Zera your first match on shot playing on Alina tsvetelina broken for games one by Zara, zoo tomorrow against Lena. Six Point Five? Zarzar maintaining her momentum from from. February even though she had us six month layoff, but she's still riding the wave from Mexico. How. Many did you say again, six point five with my number. So it's basically saying like if you just better than three and three or to hour. Fiddling is playing pretty well right now. Czars. Zula played a French wild-card that's bit basically a by that was easy drawing against Jacomb oh. Yeah. I'll I'll I'll go I'll go first I will I will take the under I'll take under six point five you takeover I was GONNA take under too I. think There's going to be beat down city. All right. Let's let's lower the line then to five point five. I'll take under I feel like three inches possible. Okay will take over five point five. Zoa. Not like Castilians, GonNa bomb like easy hold head of games. All right next one a rematch of the US Open and also women's side Fontana Brock about who went three sets against Serena Williams in the quarterfinals of the US Open just a couple of weeks ago now plays are in the second round of the French Open sets one by Fontana Barranca Zero. Point Five. I will take under zero point five sets want by PRACA. Okay I think I mean Serena. Knows the challenge you just played against her? Even, though certain is not great on clay rock of isn't either she used to be a Wimbledon specialist. That's correct. Sir Can hit through these conditions Brockovich camps so I'll take the under okay. I would take over is fine either way on that one? All right sets one miss number six Nassar marching along sets one by Dominic cupper. Against Stanford RINCA dominate cut for coming off his run to the Rome quarterfinals as a qualifier he is from the Billy Heiser coaching stable because I ryan. Williams your former breakfast buddy. That's right the man, the Fishermen Ryan William by. All right. What do you think about covers chance of getting one sets a half set as the line between if you think he'll get a set or more say over. Who looked very good against Andy Murray. But it was India Murray. L. Take over a half a set for cat for. Yeah. I wanted over also I honestly thought I thought you might set the line at one point five I thought about walking. Let's move there one point five. I would I would take the under, but I feel like that's a better line I think this is GonNa be close. Yeah. I'll take over I'm I'm okay. Taking over. Wow. I mean I just want on the board. I'm trying to be cooperative here, but it's also I. I'm super high on cut for like the way he played against small fees hasn't been great in Rome super impressively plaguing joke which was super impressive in that match. That was joking but just mashing room. So yeah. So okay, I'm okay with cut for I think you win match I wouldn't be shot back backup for win. So taking him. I was expecting a one point, five line and start. All right next match straight up winner. Pick Him Ben Wa Perr and Federico. Korea right. Right. When he said pair I was GONNA. Say the other person regardless what? Does Federico Korea, who's like never played much slam tennis at all does he still passed that test is being anyone pair. Coronavirus. corentin video where they say would you rather spend quarantine with a your wife and kids and he immediately says be even get to the next question. Oh Yeah Yeah Corey is good on clay but. Pair his press collins. Effort for. I hope he doesn't play like his brother and he certainly doesn't, but he plays well enough to be pair. Pink, Korea I will take I will take. I think he's got some semblance of momentum now winning one match which again, who knows how we did that but he did not. Shocking. Utterly shocking scenes. He's in Paris and you know he's got so much more experienced than Federica Chorea. So I will take care next one, another fewer games lost second. One of these we have either Simona how against Irina Camelia beg you in the second round women's match battle Romanians or thrown this when Cocoa Goff against qualifier Martinez traffic is on. Italy golf rolled Joe Konta three and three in the first round. Look very solid. Martina. TREBIZOND got to be seen pretty easy draw for a second round of the Slam I don't think there ever made the second round slam before if she has not often. So. Who Do you want here? Hell AP- Goff fewer games lost. Negu and Simona I can tell you they played in the semi finals of Prague. Recently enough. was I can try to pull the scoreline there. Was Georgie the whole match against Trebizond or why unclear Georgie was leading? Yeah and then was not I. I don't know much about that match I. Really Don't know I. Know that Georgia had an injury at the US. Open. That I know that she claimed made her completely useless against us namhae-ho soccer. In the second round I would take up fewer games loss I mean foreign against against Surrey. Biz Tormo is very solid. When the from from four two down to. Ten in a row. Yeah. I can tell you the scoreline in Prague in their last played with Talib six and three over Begau She's never lost ambiguous seven another career. Only. Lost once a set only once lost set a pretty solid for help. Mattress date back to two thousand, seven between these two at the Bucharest ten. K.. So they go back aways. Ago Fewer Games lost. All right I'll take. Out I. Yeah out just to keep things I'll take off the golf just because I feel like often bogle off the court that much she plays a lot of close matches. But that will take it. All right. Number Nine Games one, the Renzo Justino there is against Diego Schwartzman I said the line same Mac McDonald at eight point five. Schwartzman, it's killing folks just retired just you know he was guest at the end of that match obviously yeah. Six hours. It was funny as press conference he was like. Yeah, I'm fine. Obviously. SCHWARTZMAN's killing people I'll take the under. Under also, let's move the line to. seven point five. Two to three. And that's due to a three for under. Two to three. Yeah I'm GONNA take her. I will also take under. Let's go to. Let's go to six point five. To two. Or a one three and two other ways to do it i. think maybe he can. I'll take the over I think maybe he can get like four games and like the first set and be like warm or something for two in what we cover. So yeah. So I'll take under. I think Diego break so much that I kind of like him to run up a score actually. Plus you get big against Diego prices. Absolutely not. All right. So I'll take I will take. Under the egos are under Justino six point five games, which was a crazy pack anyway. Last match finish time. Twelve one am earlier or later. Yeah, I was thinking I was thinking that was going to be out I'll take under twelve o one am I look at the forecast Zach could be that could be a significant factor. What was it that it was? It was it was before midnight wasn't it? Yeah. But it was after eleven it was round like eleven thirty something. And that's a pretty clean day whether it was. Yeah. They moved the polling permit a final career match. to. Court fourteen. Pretty late. I see no rain the forecast tomorrow embarrass cloudy twenty percent. So. You take you take before midnight finish I'll take I'll take before twelve o one a. m.. Okay. I will also take before. About eleven thirty. After dive into the order of play here. GotTa Mashes our. Way Zaveri of last center. Last. He's GonNa roll man a lot of double. Doubles out there I'll take I'll take earlier than eleven thirty under eleven thirty. Okay. I'll take over you never know something could happen. I am. Certainly. Not Lock hope that that's pretty close. I, was hoping you would take government i. All right next one, the one token double is pick for this day. Number. Twelve. Winner straight up of Johnson. Query. Versus Granola bears is a BIOS Goshen them one of the most surprising scores as bad as Johnson is on clay. That was one of the most surprising scores of the day two games against carbide is bang. He went to games. I didn't see that scoreline. It was six, one, six, one, six Oh. My God. Which I did not see that. which normally, I wouldn't factor singles into doubles pick. But that was so bad that I'm actually going to factor let in that will take Grenell. Ears ends by US. Yeah. I think I will to Tom Scratching that query loss also so like they're ready to get lost in five two, they have two different types of excruciating losses right like. They're ready to leave the bubble. Yeah. That's probably true. All right. So could be tank city there. All right. So we scratch that pick. So number twelve scratched next up thirteen straight up winner of your girl chassis way. Iga Sh- FIANCE That I cannot believe shares in the second round I mean pleasant and pleasantly surprised of course. Yeah. THAT'S GOING TO BE A. Routine Victory, for, IGA SH WE attack. I unfortunately, I'm inclined to agree with that as well. So scratch that one as well. Again, our. Under zero point that sets as well. But it? Sounds like you would take also. Yeah. I I didn't know I wasn't sure I mean. Experience intrusive. We're person to have to play but I mean you were definitely smarter because you would think that I would have taken the bait but. But now I'm not gonNA take that for those who don't know ricky is a massive shea away Stan. Huge. Aren. Let's get some more offbeat stuff here. Number Fourteen. We're GONNA be talking about the team dominant team. English transcripts for tomorrow come out of his press conference. Wow. Mentions. Or references in questions or answers to the US Open. or New York or equivalent reference to him having just on the US Open so any. Any reference to the fact that he just won the US. Open. What if it's a reference to the US Open but not a reference that he wanted to see count still so any reference to New York or any reference? As the US Open or New York or equivalent. So they say, even if you just said, you just got your slam. Count. I have it at one point five. Is it references by a reporter or by team or both both both? So if they ask a question like And, say, the Word New York in the question, and then he responds like. And says my first Grand Slam title was great is that two or one? That's a good question. I that's one. I. Think it'd be separate. Instances of bringing it up and also include about like what it feels like to be a grand slam champion now like are you more confident of you're grand champion? Guyq things things things at rely questions or answers that are built around or you know. Those can together, right. So if he says. Grand Slam. That's one. Simple at one point five, we'll get brought up multiple times. During his presser in English? Say My thought here is he's already done preterm it Presi are i. I'm I'm looking I'm looking through his press conference right now to see how many. I didn't look as actually. It I mean it really wasn't reference that much. And therefore, I'm going to lean towards the over. Overeating there's leftover mentioned still to come I. Think there's leftover mentions and also I mean team has press conferences like aren't that interesting so like they're still only gonNA, have like the US Open to talk about like they're not going to have completely moved onto the French Open yet. I. Feel like okay I can take. I can take under I'm Bob that I was fine with either one of those I got. All right. So you take over. All Right Next one in the Simona halep in. Transcript. Mentions a references to Darren Kale or coach or equivalent. Allusion to the person Darren Kahlil. One Point Five And this will be more. This'll be more. counting frequently like number of times someone says Darren or coach. Says concepts concept. So the actual name jobs or or mentions guy. So if he's like mentioned in the question and then mentioned in the In the. Answer like it counts as two. Yeah. That attack across commerce. Yeah she's had pressed birthday last time Prescott who was Lots of players, midterm birthdays Every single reporter started their question. Happy Birthday. Yeah. Except for like the last two. I think I'll go under. Okay. I'll take over. And people like Darren. All right next one we'll do like that's where we're going to combine the Serena and as Aranka transcripts for this one. Mentions or references to Motherhood Olympia Leo Child Rearing Maternity leave or any acknowledgement these people have had children. Two. Point. Five Well you have to factor in that Serena. Right Yeah Fella Mother Gosh that. The amount of times that was mentioned the USO was off the charts real two point five in their combined press conferences I'll I'll take the over. Okay I'll take under I think highlights I'll take under. Okay. All right I hope I'm wrong but I think I'll be right. This is me. The next one will be more specific word I'm looking for the word or conjugation bit probably just be plural in this point of the Word Ball. Being said in Rafael Nidal's. Transcript. Ball. The number will be. Two Point Five Point five for the Word Ball holy smokes. It was not mentioned. The word ball was not mentioned in his first round press conference met shocking. But Short. His Presser About average. Oh but guess how many times it was mentioned in his pretournament Presser Amity? Twelve. Okay. Yes, we got so. Twelve zero to let's see what comes to the third one here. All right. So two point five, how are you feeling about two point five? You gotta go with the trends. Club. Down to zero I'll the okay I'll take over just because also this could be like and then the ball landed on the line like you have ball mention about bulk. Yeah. I feel okay. About that. All Right Gunboats Rhodesian off. Who you have winning that straight up. I would take. Your Rodionov. I think I would too. All right scrap that one. boob lick versus Senegal. Good match. I was GONNA say it was like that's a sneaky good second round match. An and like. Both of them are better on other surfaces even the Senegas? Italian finless done. Okay. On clay that right didn't even. Though. They're both better on other surfaces, but it's still gonna be a solid clay-court match. Yeah. I don't think that it's best on clay. He's just like an awkward player. Certainly isn't but. We've got some momentum that. He made the most lucky loser be mafia so I'll take Bouba. I'll take as much as I. Love Sasha, bubbles on the last episode of NC are actually I'll take go because I. think if we let down Matra public s still that is appointment listening I haven't listened to. People have enjoyed it. Obviously, Gavin roll-over versus Bouchard Mile, wildcard? Genie Chard. When he matches, it slammed first time while protected ranking Dr Gabriella. Have to say it's surprising that this is the second match Oh. Yeah. Both unlikely entrance and second round, and it's even more surprising that genie's opponent is the one who is even less likely to be in the second round hard. To do genie at, I don't know people noticed, but she made a final of Istanbul tournament. Yeah. That's open beating insensitive I'll take genie Bouchard I seriously cannot not believe governor level on that match two days ago. Yeah. I'm inclined to take Bouchard too I. Think she's got a lot more per of momentum. So take sharp off the table merit ca few more here to go sets one by Tommy Paul Against Casper Rude. Zero Point Five? I'll take the under. That's GONNA be a straight set for rude he's bowling right now I will take over I think that Tommy will have focus for one set. Of that much. Right he's. Pretty. Good on clay one of the few. Americans he in San Antonio. Junior champ of the French friendship. All. Right. Next one beating Taylor its final sets one bike qualifier Sarah Irani. Currently ranked one fifty against number five Kiki Burton's and I would point out that Sarah Ronnie is five and Oh in her career against Kiki? Burton's. Despite the one, hundred and forty five ranking gap currently. Zero Point Five sets or Sarah Ronnie will she went to said Can we do an over under slowest serve miles per hour If, that, if if we had the full IBM, Max would absolutely do that. That'd be good filing. We have that at this tournament. I can't believe Ani's in the second round. Elsa I'll take the under. Over. Over I'm okay with that. All right last one, this is a this is some math involved here. Unless starts this is the last one of the non predictive Thursday. Sets one in singles. On Wednesday by American men. And the American men who were playing are Taylor Fritz against Roger Abbott. Tommy Paul Versus Casper Rude. Jack sock versus team. Mackenzie McDonald's isn't the doll and then the twist Korda is ner playing each other. I have the lines that at six point, five, six, point five actually that already seems low I mean we were just seven point five and put it said five 'cause I do think for it's GonNa win probably against think I think for its is GonNa win to. Instill. A. Now like I also think it's GonNa. Win So that's three. Everyone, else is going to lose them straight. So that means is ner in Korda would have to go five to go over this line correct yeah. I don't think that's GONNA go five I'll take the under I think over seven point five. Seven point five. For instance game three I think is ner and a quarter is going to go to four I. think everyone else poses rate. See I'm nervous about free. I could see her straight setting Korda which makes me nervous about this. and. So that comes that I'm Kinda screwed but. I think Paul will get against rude I think I think Fritz will get three so feel okay about this. McDonald get set. It'd be wild. All right. The next one you might need to look at the draw for these next three these last three. About the Thursday schedule. So the order of this will be creating the order plays come out tomorrow Wednesday for Thursday. Okay. So yeah, it's a bet for Wednesday placements. Yeah. All right will. Catch off at versus vassily. Be placed on Matthew or better. Basically will be the top three courts or not. Wow there will be original assignments if it gets relocated that doesn't count. But so basically, we're looking for catching off vassily will be one of those three basically will be a top six men's match. Tomorrow we're looking for do women's and men's on each court every day. Will it be considered a top six-match. Right, I can tell you I believe that veteran is Asari. See me seeming believe that hatchet off is the sixth highest rank man playing tomorrow. Arts are on Thursday. So joke of issues be playing, Bertini, will be playing. Possibly playing rube level be playing shop evolved we playing other factor I point out here is that off did win bear see relatively recently, and sometimes the French Open does like to acknowledge Peres success. In a weird way and is done decently issue at the French Open before. So will he be a one of those topic courts against Eerie vessels, which should be a good match for to. Trump. Good there's a good prop. As was the American number of sets. One that was also good. So. Basically comes down to hatching off or Dmitrov. Is My thinking yeah I think you do. In a pretty, not interesting matching. It's Andrea Martin. Yeah I mean Martinsburg small name, but he's actually good at the French. Open Muster. Around. That one year if I'm not mistaken I, think you're right. and He's certainly not annihilated Sousa. Ask, tough I mean Dmitrov a bigger name than hatch even though he's ranked lower. Like you said, had no been no French. Open success speak for Dmitrov in his legacy there. I'll take what what is. There's also the sleeper alive each Anderson pick, which may be some consideration as thing Anderson was too far off the map right now got hatches only fifteen seed. Yeah I think. Dmitrov. Is GonNa get I'll take the worse than seem Okay I'll take over. Okay with over. Finding either way there the next one on this level. Same question better worse than Simone Matthew on the women's side for Elena Rebecca. Against France's Fiona Pharaoh. Pharaoh Pharaoh tilting the scales towards the French here. So other matches it will be considered. Several cats AKINA. Mugabe Ritz. LET'S GIVE A. Bog, Dan. Could. have. Paolini. they love Corny. Plus. Ostapenko. Stevens by DOSA. Wait Plus Kebab Cheese both of the plus CABELA's have marquee matchups will that that'll get. That's the final properly to that next there's me please go. Nagai. So Close Goma is a law. They also have sloan former runner up just two years ago. But just basically, how much are they gonNA wait the Frenchness of Pharaoh is the question here playing as a top sixteenth seed. And she's and cheap fares playing. Well, she does one yep yeah. How old is Barrow. EARLY MID TWENTY S. Really younger. She's not super. Thank me. Actually she is. She's twenty, three, twenty, three, twenty, three. It's tough. Backgrounds like she's so good but she's still like pretty. Big, name at all. I. Mean I. Don't know I took the over on the man I think I'll go the under on this one but again, it's going to be close. All right. So you're saying worst court than top more work. Yeah it's GonNa be court fourteen. Okay. I'll take I'll take over but the close over I think it's got mad to you on this one. So. We'll see in the last one. Plus Cova Sisters scheduled for court Felipe shot a over under one point five and both of us are playing former champions. Number, two caroline was playing Ostapenko and Christina puskas playing number eleven Tsa. So over under one point five plus goes. On get both picks row but I think it's entirely plausible. They could do that would be epic if they monopolized shelter both women's matches Motorola. Other options other options would be Kenan who was on long island before. she was on Long Island today. I so she could be possibly on chatree making up for that. Also seven seed popular player gets, court assignment generate slams. Yeah. But the plus covers both against French champs of recent years in Ostapenko Edmund Orissa one point five of on. was. Who was caroline on Jaffa on Monday yes today today she was. Yeah on Tuesday. Yes she went three against Meyer Sharieff and where was where was Mugo? Moods was. Not on Saturday and not on long on she was on. Maybe. Simone Matthew or maybe even fourteen. She was not on a big on. Into She a tough match against I guess sedan sick Mugabe's onto my man to. Okay. There's nothing particularly about the Muka routes Basically I think plus Kava. Awesome. It was a lock to get on chatrier. Basically, we're just asking about the murder is a match here. thinking. About Kenan is like chiefs she's already won a grand slam this year and she upset Serena at the French last year that's correct and she's a number into higher C. to number four. Yeah and she was she didn't get shot gate treatment for first round match I will go. Cash, this is a great bra. Under one point five. Will take over I'll take it I'll take the Puska sweep, and then it just makes it were you good with either on that? Yeah. I was going to go with either one. That's. All right. So those are picks I will read them I'll listen and read them back here for clarity. So. To recap, wind up being our twenty one prop bets for Wednesday at the French Open in this experiment. Hopefully, you guys and some fun listening to our thought processes processes number one games won by McKenzie McDonald Ricky took over eight point five games won by McKenzie McDonnell. In fewer games lost between dominant team against Jack or Sasha's various Air Bear Ricky took team losing fewer games. In number three double faults by Vera Ricky took under five point five. In Games one by Nada Zoue. Ricky. Also took under five point five that was number four, number five ricky took. Less than a set so under. Under habits at one by Vitton. Caracas Serena in Straits basically bricky took their. Ricky also took under one point five sets. One by Dominant Cup for again Stanford. RINCA. Ricky took in number seven took Federico Korea being Benoi Perr in number eight ricky took Simona halep losing fewer games then Cook. Golf in number nine ricky took Lorenzo. Justino. Winning over six point five games against the SCHWARTZMAN. In number ten, ricky took an earlier finish to the day's play than eleven thirty PM number eleven ricky took over one point five mentions of US Open or New York or equivalent. In teams English transcript. Twelve Ricky took under one point five references to Darren K hill or coach or equivalent in Halas. English press conference transcript number thirteen ricky took over two point five references to Motherhood Olympia Leo Child Rearing Maternity leave or just having had a kid. Combined references he took over two point five in the Serena and as Ranka English transcripts record also took over two point, five uses of the Word Ball in the dulls. That was fourteen. Number fifteen ricky took boob lick to Santiago. Never Sixteen Ricky took zero sets one by Tommy Paul number seventeen ricky took no sets one by Sarah Aronie number eighteen ricky took under seven point five sets total one by American men, they are Fritz Paul. SOCK McDonald Korda and is ner. By five took eighteen number nineteen ricky said that hatching off vessel would be scheduled on a worse court than Simone Matthew Number Twenty, ricky said that Rakija Pharaoh will be scheduled on a worse court then Simone Matthew and then number twenty one ricky said that under. One point five plus Cova will be scheduled on But Ricky. Thank you for doing this. If you want, we're GonNa put something on her patriotic. If you guys want to play long post there yet sent all your answers to comment on the Patriot post the awesome and we'll like keep score until you want A lot of days during the friendship will pick our spots and do shorter ones probably do like you know five seven providence at this mega prop situation we wanted to give a sort of sense that the kind of the range of stuff we do here as hopefully this was tolerable for folks and I WanNa thank everyone first supporting on Patriot as always one new backer. I WANNA give a shout out. To and that new Becker is Kevin. hough. So thank you Kevin Hoping, pronouncing that correctly Kevin Hough, thank you for backing us and thank you always to our patrons slam champ packers. We think every episode, Liz Kennel, Jonathan Wind Mary, Carillo Laya Williams trump, and win betty audrey well, and Sean Mauroy just of harsh is in a w Antonio Maker and our goat backers Christopher Bishop J. Od Mike and Charles Sina. Ricky you think he was always follow along for friendship and coverage at dominator. And doing what else? What are GonNa suffer you doing these days rain-wise. Tennis balls in tennis major tournament. Yup tremend-, check it out. Thanks thanks thanks for having me. Great Jobs. I'll come up with some as well as as we move through the tournament and similarly listeners WanNa come up with their own props would happily them? Yeah. That'd be one of the main problem we used to do last year which tougher I'm not sure how much you're are you credentialed for this tournament? Yeah yeah virtual. Okay I wasn't sure how to interview rooms like seems kind of like arbitrary this time there's no crowds right I don't WanNa do any interview improper but that's another thing we generally do is which a room somebody and wind up and Based on their Providence, which is always a good prob. Something that. The most dramatically, wait for the announcement of the world to see who does drop. We also have we also props like. Times will WTI insider tweet about the key burdens match? How many times? How many posters of Lena's fiddling? I Will Jimmy Post on on twitter during the day we can do different stuff. It's more evolved than people It's different where publishing them against Moore would hear about this prop. Interfere but. If you had to do things like how many how many mentions will nicastro sent to a ATP colleague? The President during the next twenty, four hours so that they're all possible things you could do so. Ricky. Thank you very much.

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Investor Drops Almost $1 Million on Sneakers at Sothebys

Business Wars Daily

05:34 min | 1 year ago

Investor Drops Almost $1 Million on Sneakers at Sothebys

"Vis episode of Business Wars daily is brought to you by sent pro online from pitney bowes shipping and mailing from your desk is never been simpler than with sent pro online from Pitney Bowes. Try It free for thirty days and get a free ten pounds scale. When you visit http dot com slash B W daily Uh Brom wondering I'm David Brown and this is business wars daily happy Monday my friends talk about a way to boost your brand? Sotheby's the high auction house this month auctioned off one hundred pairs of rare sneakers from Nike Adidas and other major sneaker makers this auction positioned athletic shoes as art objects and it began on July eleven it was supposed to continue through tomorrow July twenty third but a funny thing happened on the way to that date. Most of the air went out of the room when Canadian businessman bought ninety nine of the one hundred pairs for a total of eight hundred fifty thousand dollars at production time. Only one pair was still available a pair of Nike waffle flat. Latin moon racing shoes made by hand back in Nineteen seventy-two got an extra eighty thousand dollars to spare well. That's the starting bid but the pair was expected to fetch up to one hundred sixty thousand dollars Nike Co founder Bill Bauer men is set with designed the shoe using a waffle iron to imprint the tread by hand. The company made only a dozen pairs for runners at the nineteen seventy-two Olympic trials the B._B._c. reports that the parents Sotheby's is the only one believed to be unwarranted so what treaded treasures did miles at all make off with for his eight hundred fifty thousand dollars at all scooped up such iconic kick says the Nike Mags. That's the self lacing sneakers like those in the nineteen eighty-nine movie back to the future to that pair one of only only eighty nine ever made came with a starting bid of forty thousand dollars also among the collectibles Nidal now owns a rare pair of yee's Kanye West's line for Adidas and a pair of limited edition Air Jordan for sneakers sneakers code designed with EMINEM. The collection came from online street wear and sneaker consignment Shop Stadium Goods Stadium goods existence alone shows just how elevated sneakers and street wear have become never mind the fact that Sotheby's exhibited these sneakers and. Museum cases like historic artifacts are diamonds. According to vox designer sneakers now considered legitimate luxury goods coveted by the same wealthy shoppers who dropped thousands on haute couture for Adidas Nike the auction served highlight the he ever increasing status of sneakers especially limited edition pairs and shoes designed for specific teams and for celebrities like the Air Jordans designed for Karl Lagerfeld it also highlighted Nike in particular which appeared to be over represented presented in the collection outside of the money that miss fear of the auction house Nike has long driven up prices on Air Jordan's by releasing limited edition highly designed sneakers Adidas got in the game with drops of Kanye West's easies which can cost cost upwards of five thousand dollars and that's for a new pair neither Air Jordans nor yeezy are truly built for performance but rather for style and Flare Collector Miles Nidal says he's enamored with objects of popular culture. He told C._N._B._C. C._N._B._C. that he plans to show the sneakers at his dare to Dream Automobile Museum in Toronto where he has a collection of one hundred forty two cars and forty motorcycles sure Nidal spent a lot of money for a whole bunch shoes but he doesn't hold. All the record for spending on collectible sneakers know that record was set two years ago by a bitter who paid one hundred ninety thousand dollars for a pair of signed converse shoes that Pricey pairs said we've been worn by Michael Jordan Jordan in the nineteen eighty-four Olympic basketball final according to Reuters that the record is held by converse not knock your adidas goes to show that as powerful as those two brands are they still can't win the hearts or the feet of every sneaker lover out there and it shows that rarity no matter the object drives up both desire and prices which means the Sotheby's auction was nothing but good for Nike and Adidas and they didn't have to lift a finger or tie a single she lies from laundry this business wars daily. Hey listen to our show. Take a second give his five star rating when apple podcasts. Would you better yet leave a review. Thanks so much I'm David Brown and we'll be back with Tamar. This episode is brought to you by central online from Pitney Bowes Shipping and mailing from your desk. Ask has never been simpler than with sent pro online from pitney bowes with simple online is just click sand and save for his lowest four dollars ninety nine cents. That's right four dollars. Ninety nine cents a month send envelopes.

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Vic: Restrictions Tipped To Ease 12/10/20

From The Newsroom

03:18 min | Last month

Vic: Restrictions Tipped To Ease 12/10/20

"From, the newsroom at needs to come today you. Could I'm Andrew Buffalo and this is the latest from the newsroom. It's Monday, the twelfth of October. Despite Corona virus case numbers in Victoria remaining stubborn premier. Daniel Andrews has said some significant steps will be taken next Sunday to ease restrictions. Case numbers are expected to be too hide to trigger a step three relaxation of restrictions in the state but it is tipped. The premier could announce this weekend that outdoor public gatherings of up to ten people could be allowed and households could be able to host up to five visitors from another home. There's even a possibility of the controversial five-kilometer travel cap could be scrapped even revised meanwhile federal treasurer at just Fradin because h Daniel Andrews to hurry up and reopen the state to spot the struggling economy have listened. Missy. He's With. Get on with it and they will get about a normal lives. Citing. Still. On the coronavirus and the World Health Organization has done a massive backflip by its stance on lockdowns. The whol was previously in favor of them, but not anymore have listen. We really do appeal to all world leaders stop using lockdown as your primary control method developed better systems but doing it work together and learn from each other. But remember lockdowns just have one consequence you must never ever belittle and not is making poor people an awful lot poorer. To the US now it's been revealed President Donald Trump was considering an unbelievable stunt after being discharged from hospital last week according to The New York Times Mr. Trump told aides. He wanted to wear a superman t shirt under his white dress shirt. He planned to reveal the superman top as a symbol of strength by ripping open the top layer I mean that would have been bunkers. We'll be back in just a moment. Sport now, in Spanish superstar Rafael Nidal has equalled Roger Federer as old time Grand Slam record after smashing Novak Djokovic in the French Open final the Dowana in straight sets to become the first man in history to win four majors without dropping a set in the entire tournament. The thirty four year old. Now by twenty Grand Slam singles titles the same number as Federer and a record thirteen majors in Paris and still in sport and Lewis. Hamilton has matched Michael Schumacher's record of ninety. One Formula One wins after taking out the Eiffel Grump Prix in Germany Daniel Ricardo finished third he's I the party. I'm since two thousand eighteen. He celebrated by Doing Shui On instagram as you do and we'll finish with some royal and US and you interview Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have spoken about the quality family time they've been able to have as a result of the pandemic listen were. Wrong as I always. It's In in so many ways your were cheers. She had this time watching ruin in working more sternly and remiss a lot of. Erotic. Good on the well that's eight from the newsroom. We'll be back with another update and the. UPDATE FROM NEWS DOT COM.

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Strokes of Genius: Jon Wertheim | 5

Sports Wars

32:54 min | 1 year ago

Strokes of Genius: Jon Wertheim | 5

"From wondering, I'm Dan Rubenstein, and this is sports wars. For the last four episodes. We've been exploring the incredible back and forth between Roger Federer the man with the most grand slam crowns in men's tennis history, and Rafael Nadal. The clay court genius who did the impossible and outlasted the Swiss champion on grass in the greatest match ever played at the two thousand eight Wimbledon championships. We still have one more chapter to go in their rivalry atop the sport. But today, we're taking a pause to dive deeper into everything that went into and came out of that incredible match in two thousand eight at the All England Club, and who better to discuss it with than Jon Wertheim, author of strokes of genius. Sixty minutes correspondent and writer for Sports Illustrated. John has spent decades as the preeminent tennis writer around, and he was at the Wimbledon final itself today. We're going to talk about what? What made this match special including some of the small details that we might forget as time passes darkness rain delays, how Roger Federer's father had a memorable role and how it set the stage for the next ten years of an amazing rivalry. Witness the rise of a hero as marvel studios presents captain marvel an all new adventure from a previously unseen period in the history of marvel cinematic, universe in this action packed story, the MC you introduces its first standalone female franchise, title character. Carol danvers aka captain, marvel set in the nineteen nineties, captain marvel sidesteps, the traditional origin, story template with Carol danvers already. Possessing her superhero powers, leaving her earthly life behind. She joins an intergalactic elite military team called star force, but after danvers has trained and become a valued member of star force. She finds herself back on earth with new questions about her past. She quickly lands on the radar of Nick fury, and the pair must work together against a formidable enemy in the form of the scrolls who are planning an invasion of earth. Get marvel studios captain marvel on digital and movies anywhere may. Twenty eighth and Blu. Ray June eleventh, new on four k ultra HD. And we are now joined by Jon Wertheim of sixty minutes and Sports Illustrated. And he's written a number of books, including strokes of genius about the two thousand eight Wimbledon final between Raphael and the doll and Roger Federer. John, welcome pleasure. Oh, gosh. I, I wanna start in so many different places. But of course, this podcast is about Rafael on the doll and Roger Federer and their rivalry. And we really dove into the two thousand eight Wimbledon final in which goes five sets nine seven in the fifth you write a book about this match. So in an era when they've played so many times, and then the top four has played so many times in these major championships. Why has this match withstood the test of time? This is what I mean. You said it. I mean that's half of it, right. Is context scripting? And it's Wimbledon final and worldwide audience, the rhythms of the match Nidal wins the first two sets fetter storms back wins the next two nine seven on the fifth as. Gloaming you know as the sun is about to set in the court is being eliminated by the scoreboard, was basically the best source of light. I think a lot of the reason why this is persisted. I mean look, you have the seminal match. It's at the cathedral of tennis. It's one versus two, but I think just sort of the bigger picture the macro in this rivalry. It's one versus two lefty versus righty. Challenger versus champion, sort of has you go through the checklist of what comprises a rivalry. This match had it all this was this anticipated match was Rafa filing a take down the mighty fetter. In this was one of those much hyped antipated occasions at absolutely didn't just meet the hype is absolutely exceeded all expectation. And you know it's interesting because it wasn't really a turning point in the rivalry necessarily, right? I mean fetter one the very next major and one women the following year. So wasn't this ali-frazier knockout punch aging of the garden, it was around? I think that's how it was being framed at the time. And it didn't really have that affect. I think that that was probably the most memorable match that these two guys played. But I tell you, if you told me in two thousand eight women that eleven years later, we were gonna do a podcast on this rivalry. We're gonna have to time stamp it. That's what is it? It's may the whatever we're gonna time step just because by the time this airs, it's entirely possible. They may have played again in added to this rivalry. I mean, I think that's part of why women in two thousand eight also persist, because the rivalry persists one of the things that's clear in this match is just how aggressive and more aggressive. Than usual. Roger Federer is he's going at, you know, serve his big. He's, he's going for corners, almost immediately, during points, which is out of character. He is. He is sort of he talks about it being a chess match for him Tennessee, like setting up points and sort of finding angles. Whatever how much do you think his dominance before an adult broke through almost hurt him from changing his game for an adult thinking, I've, I've figured out everybody in the world. I'm not going to change who I am for this guy. I don't know how much of that is not Dahl per se. This opponent. That makes me do XYZ. And also, how much of this is just having a rival, and we know from social science that rivalry makes us take risks. We might not ordinarily take NFL coaches will go for it more in a rivalry game than they would in the same situation against a run of the mill opponent, our biochemistry changes are neuro chemistry changes during a rivalry, our decision making apparatus is different rivalry makes us to. Some really weird thing sort of I what sort of turbo competition, whatever we do on competition. This is that heightened, so Fedor much more aggressive much riskier and the fallback. I mean, if you were doing commentary say, Nidal makes you go for more than you would against conventional opponent, or he's got a he gets to, you know, exactly or we'll revert to cliche, and you've gotta do strike first tennis store against a doll, you gotta show who's boss, and you've got to own the baseline, but I think a lot of this is just what rivalry makes us do. And we see the same approach uncharacteristically aggressive. We see that approach in different sports. We see that in business. We see that in all sorts of social science experiments. So you would expect to rivals to be more aggressive than they usually would. But I just think inventor talked about it to his great credit when we sat him down for the for the film, you reference, this was ten years later, and obviously, he's had some detachment. He. Was very he completely admits that it took me a long time to accept being in a row. I didn't want to be in a rivalry. I kinda like being the king. I mean, the doll had the great advantage eight. He's five years, younger people forget. Rafa knew what he had to do, and who he had to take down to be number one Federer, sort of had this disadvantage. He was the incumbent so Rafa could fashion his game. How am I going to take down? Roger Roger didn't have that luxury necessarily. But I think for the first X years, I mean who knows if there was a moment of reckoning, or if it was gradual, but I don't think federal like the idea that he was being twinned with this guy in that he was supposed to wake up in the morning. And the first thing you supposed to do was look at how Rafa did the night before. I don't think that whole dynamic appeal to Roger in the way it did Rafa. And I think that's something that people might overlook in this rivalry that broader didn't like he had no problem with the doll, right? I would say in something we can talk about sharing the lake sharing this. He didn't have being challenged. He loved it when he'd go out there and beat James. Blake, God bless you. Yeah. We love James Blake. He liked it. When you go win. Six three. Six three and it was I just lost the greatest off time Rogers, such a cool guy. And I'm happy with my runner-up. He's beating so many of these players before he even gets on the court. Exactly. And they didn't seem to mind it, and here comes this kid again, from the least likely origin, story mayor, right? Uncle who wasn't a player Koch and a hit left handed in my orca kinda, sorta no were Germans go for long weekends. Right. But I think Fedor was really sort of stymied in confused by this whole dynamic, and it wasn't personal at all. But he liked being benevolent king. Roger, and here comes this kid who doesn't give shit about benevolent king, Roger and wants to take him down. So this the match itself is pretty a rhythmic in that Rafa takes the first two sets Roger takes the second two sets, but we have a delay starting and we have two rain delays in the match and so ten is's a game of confidence in rhythm. And what is it? I guess specifically about Rafah's makeup that allows. Him even with these breaks to, to whether these stands from federal to get over the fact that he's squandered, so many opportunities. You know what is it about his, his fortitude, that gets them to this winning place? Great question. And I don't know if he necessarily knows the answer. I mean he had this dream of winning women, and this is a rare Spaniard who aspires to win Wimbledon more than any other tournament. He grew up on clay, but he knows this tennis's cathedral. He's inching closer each year against the mighty fetter now in two thousand eight he was the first two sets, and he has a forehand that he lines up. And he makes ninety nine times out of one hundred to win Wimbledon. Many misses that forehand and Fedor storms back and there's rain and there's the fact that Nidal was able to, you know, cliche alert, right? To ship says so much about his fortitude. I'll tell you something else about Wimbledon. Is that great old time classic venue, but? One thing about the players share a dressing room. So I always say this white, you know, your kids play T-ball, and the Tigers go on one side of the dugout and the sharks go on the other, and you don't mingle and the parents don't mingle here, these two guys playing a Wimbledon final millions and millions of people watching fifteen thousand people in the arena. It rains and they go back to the same room. That's probably about the size of this podcast duty is not all to your question. Not only Nidal writing this and trying to figure out how to get back in this match. He's physically right there. Yeah. The guys to playing against I'm sitting on a bench next him. So I think that showed so much about Nidal, given the whole context and circumstance. And again that one forehand away the king of Spain is in the front row. And the fact that he was able to come back and win that match. I think is one of the more underrated. I mean, there are a lot of sort of little story lines in this match that have gotten loss. I think that's one of them. 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R S for ten percent off any premium plan. In that specific match talk about storylines that, I mean, they're they're so much obviously, which the back and forth with you know you have these long long games at key moments. You have, you know, a final set with a break deciding something late. What, what do people forget because there have been so much Rafa federal since one, one of the things this with the very last year played at center court without the roof cracked? So if they came back the next year. Unfurl the roof we play under the lights, and it would be a little weird to be an indoor match. But there's the pressure the time pressure to get that match over with. I mean, if that had gone one more game they would've said, boys. It was a great Sunday pity. But go in a good night's sleep, and we'll come back and do it the next day, who knows if the crowd would have showed who to note if the ushers and security, this was one game away from its eight all come back tomorrow and see what, you know, NBC keep your cameras here, and we'll see you at eight AM. And then I, I think one nice thing about this match again. Is that we're used to in Tennessee sort of kill shots? Right. I mean back rose effectively forced bored out of the sport. In other rival boxing's the, but it's so so often with rivalries, you sort of have one person's career is the collateral damage within a matter of months. This rivalry was back on and their alternating who's winning in their back to winning majors, and you have this tremendous match, but it's not a changing of the guard. It's just a high point in a rivalry that continues in here. We are eleven years later, and they may beat in the French Open final few weeks from now, and it would surprise. No one would I mean it's hard to pinpoint. But was there something different after this match about how these two resonated in America was this such a dramatic event that people I mean, people are obviously, in tennis fans were were taking note of rough and federal before this. But did this put them into a further mainstream position? I think so. I mean, this was one of these rare tennis's sort of at least in the US it's, it's very much a niche, sport and community, and there's a social media component. But it is not typically had mainstream success early not like it once did for a variety of reasons. But this was fourth of July weekend. It was on NBC and these rain delays. They didn't help the rhythm of the match. But what it did do is, oh, my gosh. Are you watching this and NBC will tell you? Yeah. Sort of NBC will tell you, that by word of mouth, their viewership rose in a way that was disproportion the match itself because people are coming back from their fourth of July canoe trip. And their aunt said, envies me, I've been using to is tennis is some bit of an acquired taste, and when it's McEnroe has Connors, people get it, and Chrissy, and Martina. But these guys only played I mean a doll was in his early twenties and Fedor was a known commodity, but he's, you know, he doesn't come from Palm Springs Omaha have, and then I have big personalities either. Yeah. I mean, they, they do in their way, and there's global dignified way. But exactly these are not obvious. Use use an NBA these non Shaq. Kobe. Yeah. Nice hit. This is not marshawn Lynch. And these are sort of magic and bird wants to this. Yeah. Exactly. And I think that I had so many people say to me now I get it. Now, I understand why you've been talking about this rivalry now. I understand the magic fetter. Now. I understand why this tenacious kid with this funky left handed game who's wrapped up in tape, and he's serving left-handed. I think I I don't know how sustaining it was. I mean it's a pity. They couldn't come back and do it again, at the US open. You of course know, they've never right? Done it at the USO won't I think, in America. At least is really. I think it's really unfortunate. Yeah. To me, this is one of the great great sports rivalries at all time. And yet, it's very unique in its way, and I think it's, it's a real pity. It hasn't quite caught. Hold in the US. But I do think the casual fan fourth of July weekend Sunday afternoon. And I think a lot of people left that match thinking now I get what the big deal is. What was the difference? So Rafa is five years younger, but he comes after a generation of clay-court'specialist them Spanish or from South America that really never had any success on grass. And here's Nidal making his third straight Wimbledon final and doing so wiping the floor with a lot of very talented tennis players. What was different about Nidal at this point and or players at large? I think the dollars just he I mean, I think that's cliche does not take points off. And he doesn't differentiate among opponents and surface and circumstance. And he won the French Open. And again, just wipe the court with federal it was, it was really it was almost embarrassing fetter and does his media, and his photo shoot goes out to dinner and then he gets a pair of court shoes. They offered a fly him but he wants to get there as soon as possible. So he goes to buy. I don't know the guard Ord and gets on the chunnel and takes the train twelve hours later. He's on a train to England wearing his grass court shoes. He wanted this. He did not rest on any laurels. I think the challenge, I think he knew the history in new that traditionally, Spaniards, did not have much interest or success on graphs. I think he held us up. This would really be a crowning achievement of mine. But I also just don't think I mean he just wants to win and doesn't really differentiate circumstance. But, but no, I think, again, that's another remarkable part of the story that there was a time when players would win the French Open and Spanish players in particular and say, I'm good. Cinna bit. Yep. Yeah, I'm going fishing. That was not the doll and never has been what is it about? There's a big difference between the two of them both within this match because they have time to confer with their coaches during these rain delays, but overall even Federer's had a number of coaches every few years. It seems like he's changing or doesn't have a coach, just as a practice partner, whereas Rafa, even though he's worked with a couple of coaches outside of his uncle. He's really since he's been what four years old worked with his uncle Tony. What has what is unique about their relationship that it has withstood the test of time? It's a great question because I mean, tennis coach is one of these sort of catch alls, right? And sometimes their former players so McEnroe is coach. Martina. Navratilova connors. Lendl right. Other times. I mean Tony Nidal. It was not a professional tennis writer, but he knows how to connect with his nephew. Richard Williams was not a professional tennis player. Exactly. But. So much tennis. I mean, it's the cliche is so much mental, but it's more than that. It's more of a spiritual. It's more just making sure someone is in the right frame of mind. This is not necessarily tactics. He's not saying, oh, you need to hit your second serve wide when you. I mean, a lot of this is just saying the right things at the right moment, which, you know, I'm awfully is a lot of Steve Kerr would tell you. That's a large part of his job as well. Right. The doll had belief and faith in his uncle. And I think the dolls theory, the whole time. I'll figure this out, right. I had a tennis ball. Allah, just my strategy just need someone who gets me and he had this fidelity in his in his uncle. So you've been to an endless array. It feels like of these huge matches around the world involving the best players in the world on the biggest stages in the world. Not a lot of people can say that, when you think about how you felt watching this match, you know, if you're holding your breath in a huge moment here, or if you're going out of your mind, because you can't believe what's happening in front of you. Have you felt anything close to does anything compare to the feeling of that match with its unorthodox rhythms? Can you remember anything since that is that has come close? I may even go have to go outside of that's five enough to go out of science. No. I mean, I think just the context of all this, what? I just remember being so Marley. It was a very high quality match. The the board. Mcenroe match had one stinger sad, and we can sort of nitpick points here and there. But I just think the notion that this was what everybody wanted to see. And then it somehow clips that. That was sort of my with this, the, you know, with with all of this, the, the drama, sunsetting and the parents, sitting next to each other in the box, and at Wimbledon in the final in Olympic year, all of that build up. But I also just thought I always thought that the relationship between those guys so special that it's, it's fitting that you have a match like this as this great capstone. I mean these guys are some ways this is your classic rivalry. It's contrast in styles. It's again you, you have the champion and the challenger comes along and takes him down. But they have never in whatever it is. Now more than fifteen years. I think they genuinely is not just all we've mutual respect, and we've reached a conclusion that were, I think they genuinely like each other, and I think they genuinely always have was this match. I mean this era. So if you talk about two thousand three two thousand eight whenever when they start started really breaking through to this come at a great time for the tour itself you talking about after Sampras Agassi where you have a number of players, be Lleyton Hewitt, or Marcelo Rios or whoever won Carlos Forero. They all all these players jump up to number one in the world. But. No rivalry. There's no personality for people to latch on did this not just this match. But this rivalry in a number of ways carry the sport. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I think we can say any given Sunday in parody might be great in here thirty team league. And you're thirty two team league in individual sports, you need rivalry and you need personality and the notion that every turnament can have a new win. That's a pretty thin storyline. I mean you need these titans in heightened, MRs. So. Yeah. On the one hand. Yes, after we had a few year after Agassi Sampras. There were few years of rotating, champions, did anyone really get Alcasa fever. Right. You did. I did rate one handed backhand to be on Carlos Forero. God bless you. But I it was time for these titans. Yeah. Remember to on the women's side, you had kind of sort of a rivalry with the Williams sisters who tremendous backstory, unimpeachable, champions, terrific for the sport. Nothing remotely pejorative, or I mean, it's, it's a tremendous force in tennis, but he didn't really get up for one or the other. Right. Kiki didn't really nobody said, I love, Venus. But I hate Serena, it, it was a family. So it was about about looking at the draw when tournament became winter. They gonna play. Right. And it was a fun story line. And everyone made their advantage Williams jokes. Money wasn't tribal. The tribal was the single, you know, you root for the family. Right. So. This was a bit of an offset, and yet this to a weird rivalry dynamic, where you kinda, like both of them. Right. And eat field kind of like a jerk say, I loved the doll fetters such an asshole. Right. Said that vice versa, too, although it feels like if you're if you're a Sampras person, you liked Federer, if you like that sort of quieter more effortless, one handed backhand, if you liked Agassi with the big returns and the more volume on the court. Probably, maybe you skewed in a doll is you mentioned we're getting way inside tennis love it. But there was a great deal. Let's be a bonus. So people can should you there's exhibition during during this rivalry maim in two thousand eight even Indian Wells. Yeah. And it's Sampras Agassi Fetterman recently has twenty ten I wanna say, yeah, I, maybe I'm Sharon exhibition, and you have these, these two rivals the San Gacy rivalry in federal Dahlan. They're all playing this exhibition. It's all for charity, hit for Haiti, I think or hate for hit he is. And San Francisco are in their late thirties, and early forties, at this point in their trash talking. And he gets really uncomfortable does. And they both have depression of each other. Yeah. Pizza cheap and it started. It's, it's like two kids on the play fighting equals real fighting escalated, and I always remember you had veteran Dahl in the throes of a real rival one two in the world millions of dollars prime of their careers. And they're both looking at each other like holy shit. Is this awkward? Yeah. But also, you had the sense of like were not going to get to this point. Right. So you had these two rivals and the two older ones are having this very awkward are fighting. Yeah, right. Yeah. Not in front of the kids, but fetter dollar looking at each other. And some of it is just how awkward is this? But you really felt as warped between them like we get this, and this is not going to be us. I always thought that was a very poignant moments way. Yeah, it was fascinating and sort of round this out, just because you've. Entered a couple times the match ends the two thousand eight Wimbledon final match ends in virtual darkness. There's light but not a lot of light. And you mentioned that they were basically one game away if they stayed on serve possibly postponing till the following day delaying till the following day. Should they have done it earlier in this moment, I, I was speaking to my dad earlier. So shutout Richard Rubenstein eleven years later. He said he's still holds a grudge. He's still bitter that they didn't delay until the next day because they were playing in darkness. And that's not the way a match of this magnitude should end the federal loyalists will say this happens to be a federal list. Yeah. TV is a big player in this. I, I think it would be very anti climactic to say, like you're right. Yeah. Great great day guys, there was a women final. It wasn't discontinued. They started the match on Monday. And it was fine. And it was a people's people's day. This was, what was I should know this off the top of my in two thousand one okay? Rafter even ISA vich. And it's it was rowdy. The security guys didn't all show out, and I think they were just some of it was just dramatic and sense of vacation, you had finish and it had end in darkness. Right. But I just think logistically, I mean, people had plays the catch and NBC had a window who knows where this would have aired just it would have been really awkward to say, guys, it's, you know, it's seven I'll come back, and let's a wrap this thing I may only take fifteen minutes. But come back Monday morning. You can't do that. You know, it's like the vendors telling everyone to come back for the last ten minutes. So after that match there was a couple of great CEO. It's, it's pitch dark right? And literally people have these phones on their cameras and flashlights on their phone. It's funny. I mean, it's, it's only ten years ago. Yeah. Literally NBC's cameras were the source of light, but federal doll, one point two victory lap together, and they slap five when it's over. But. Then the doll camp said one thing that Nidal said is boy, I hope Roger is. Okay. And I think some of that wasn't a doll genuinely feeling concern. I mean this is is right. Boy, but this is also kind of his co-pilot like he's sort of said, listen, I, I got nothing without Roger. This is pushes me to be better. So I think some of it was general sort of genuine solicitude for Roger is he okay boy, it must have been crushing. He's the five time champion now he loses. But I think the doll also thought to himself. Holy shit. I hope this isn't the knockout blow. I need this guy. I need him to be Roger Federer. So I think the doll was a little concerned that I beat this guy at the French Open. Now, I've been Wimbledon. Is this gonna be it is he really crushed fetters they're crying? And I think the doll part of him said holy shit. I need this guy. I care for him individually. But I also feel like I need this guy to be healthy and robust for my own sake, and you hear McEnroe talk about that with Borg. When Borg retires sort of out of nowhere that McEnroe's calling them up saying, we need. I need you need sporting easy, like I need somebody to push me. And so it's interesting that dynamic, and I say, you know, now, here we are in Rogers thirty seven the dolls could be thirty three and I think it's no coincidence. Everyone how it's amazing that they're still playing so long the both of them and I'm thinking, yeah, but I don't think that's coincidence. I mean, if there's no if there's no Rafa is federal hanging around like this, there's no Roger in twenty majors to chase is Rafa hanging around. So I think no, this is really sort of the most rivalry makes us to ugly things, and in soccer brawls and Fs. I mean they're they're hundred reasons why rivalry and it's Trautmann look at our curious, cultural moment. We're living in right now, I think is predicated on rivalry but I think this is rivalry. That's most elevated. That was my conversation with John Worthen again. Check out his book strokes of genius and his work with Sports Illustrated, and sixty minutes on our next episode the federal Nidal rivalry didn't end in two thousand eight it only heated up. In fact, it continues to this day and the best chapters may still be yet to come. I hope you enjoyed the episode of sports wars, if you did you can subscribe on apple podcasts. Spotify Google podcast wondering dot com or wherever you're listening to this right now. 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Roland Garros Re-Lived 2009: When Rafa lost and Roger won

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Roland Garros Re-Lived 2009: When Rafa lost and Roger won

"Hi, this is Marion. Bartoli Mats Wilander this is Mary Carillo I'm stunned rowing. I'm letting you it. I'm Andy. This is Yannick Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Welcome back to Roland, Garros relived. We're moving forward once again to two thousand nine this time, Katherine Wichita Robertson Myself David Law all here. Thanks where we in two thousand nine, a lot happened in that tennis year. A lot happened the French Open. What was going on in Katherine with because world? Here. Doing! Concrete Jefferson I recall. Not In two thousand and five is he said in no aborted intro yesterday. That's why I was slightly out of my mind yesterday. but yes, by this time you working with me on the champions tour in Queens, and on all other sorts of things, podcast was still yet to be thought of still three years away by the way forgot to say, we turned eight years old the other day. We completely forgot about it as a podcast, but we did. So happy eighth birthday to us But. Yes, it was. It was an interesting period of time where? On? The Dow had been dominant French Open and then suddenly arrives at two thousand nine where it was. Matt at this point was going on your life. You'll be pleased to learn secondary school all right But. This does feel like A. Where were you? When tennis moment doesn't it the two thousand and nine French Open? I don't have an interesting answer to that question. I was just watching it at home. But. You feel like people will remember where they were in robin settling beaten, the doll and federal finally won the French Open. Caffeine you're having a picnic I believe I didn't watch that much life. I was having a bank called they Monday picnic. With an ex-boyfriend. He's just until just now been completely raised from that memory. Is Your Kim Clijsters Lleyton Hewitt moment. And Yeah as I've as I've told the story a couple times before I think on the port. I restarted my phone. 'cause I check. The schools and I didn't believe it. rebooted your because you didn't believe that nonetheless. Yeah, so you literally found out the final school that way. Yeah? Yeah! I definitely. Watch the final live of gopher better. Recollection of how that played-out out. But Y- I'm not sure. I I'm sure I watched, highlights of the that adult much that evening, but I I the I've ever watched. Yeah, well. We just done this. A I was in the car. I remember driving somewhere. It's it's Queens preparation. We really around about them. In a realized that it was, it would have been a bank holiday. Monday as you say you were at for. Picnic Driving Errand to errands, whatever whatever they were and listening to the commentary of BBC radio. Because it's the one tournament I never cover, but I always listen to it I was I was so kept the coverage that they give and and on that occasion Vassals Alexander was there as part of the team and I remember him commenting on the final set. Of the match and just. It really came through the the radio. Just water moment. This was the sporting world just felt like it. Stop told bulletins. No, no, the sport was being talked about no. The sport was being reported on because this is where it was. This is where it was happening and the sheer scale of this upset, and I still think to this day. It's the biggest tennis upset that I've ever seen I all heard about I think. It has the biggest shock factor of any of any match we've had I would put it personally second to Serena Williams against Roberta, Vinci. But I could be skewed on that one by the fact that I was there. Sollozzo sort of feeling viscerally I think it's. Got Bigger as an upset as years of power. Actually I think it felt massive at the time as an adult has gone on to completely dominate that tournament. Even more so than he was doing time, it actually stands out even mole now. As we look back on it. Yeah, well. He's lost two shoes in his entire life at the French Open in. That's what we're talking about. If we go back in time to Dan founded, our was the world number one. He was playing in his fifth French Open. He won the previous four titles. He'd never lost a match Roland Garros. A year earlier, he beat Roger Federer six, one, six, three six love in the final, and as well as that he was reigning Wimbledon Australian, open and Olympic champion. Robin Soderling. was ranked five in the world. This was the first time he'd ever reach the second week of a Grand Slam, and he had never beaten any member of the big three in seventeen previous attempts. Wow! And he'd lost to Nadal Lavin one. Two weeks before. Yeah, a one in love, not that that distinction matters. He lost specific goals. For the loss of for the game of t he, he won't one game against the Dole in a couple of weeks before I I. Remember that coming into the match the. Probably one of the reasons I went on my drive. I just thought. I mean the last time they played the even one game. Is it worth it? It's not made at the Australian Open this year. Do my washing when. Play John Wong. And there's a a an entirely understandable. Comment the ages badly early on in in the commentary that we were watching if the much today tennis channel coverage when of the settling hold serve in the second game of the match, and it goes to warn old Lee. Shiraz, the commentators sniffly says well, he's already equalled his best ever performance against Nidal. She's one hundred percent. What I would have said well yeah. Crooked. Do you WanNa? Hear what was going on in the World Catherine. Thought! Something was missing Michael. Jackson died Barak Obama became the first black president of the United States of America and the World Health Organization declared swine flu as a global pandemic. Better. Where was the fun frivolous? One list given up on those. I couldn't find right. They're the best bits. Each saying no fun, frivolous things happen in two thousand and nine on my list. I see if I can find one we've got. Now those are all pretty depressing. Actually the the. The plane landed on the Hudson. And became a fill. Remember that. A plane crash is neither for nor frivolous. Turn into a nice filmed the net. Yeah Fail, Sally? DECENT FILM! Saved struck yeah flock of geese. So, no. Nothing, Jolie I'm afraid from two thousand nine. It's all bad news. Joe Suppose. Barack Obama became the first plant prison to the United States. That was good news. Yes, so. Right it feels. Feels depressingly distant memory, doesn't it? Does. So that was the wider world and wrath on the Dow. One is way through the opening rounds of the French Open and gets to the last sixteen as per usual, amny set city one in a row by that point so many one entire title year before without dropping a set at. Forty two. Thirty, two I think because Leaf Shiraz put it to Martina Navratilova saying he's won thirty two sets in a row. That might be the most impressive part of all this, have you? Have you ever done that Martina and sh- and she says I remember probably not and. Can confirm that she definitely did do that. In multiple occasions. So really robin soderling had not got a chance on on the face of things, except just had a great win in the previous round against Avid Ferrer, which was probably a bit of a surprise, and it's I. Write for asset you. Claycourt plant. How about we get Robin Soderling himself to talk through it because Matt gave him call. And asked him how he did it I. Remember coming into the tournament a in great shape. You're not played really well the week before, and I have some memories from that I felt I felt a little bit more secure in my game. I had been winning a couple of mashes without playing my best tennis and I think that was the biggest issue earlier in my career, you know I always had to when I didn't play. My Best Tennis I was really frustrated in day I could throw away a lot of matches because of the, but now I felt a little bit more secure, but but also you know. I looked at the drawing I was favorite in the first couple of matches. of course was tough. I played the Ferrari the third-round than of course. Find The fort so You know it's just. It's just so many good matches and. That, that particular tournament turned around like career. Luck for the next coming few years. You mentioned the foam. You're in going into the tournament however. You did play the dial in Rome just before the French Open and lost six one six love. So, what are your memories of that match and when you then play again in Paris just a few weeks later? What's your mindset? While the thing is. How Strange Shit might that match against another in Rome helped me a lot. You know even though even though the scoreline you know while six I remember six, one, six, zero or six, zero six. Something like that you a on the scoreline. He really. He really crushed that day, but I remember it was. it was a tough match was much much tougher than than the score showed I remember special in the first set. It was really tough. You know many. Many game coins, many Deuce, anyone actually a quite a good match, so even though I lost. I lost big I. Felt that it out. It wasn't too far off and I still south. You know I could play a lot better than this. But it kind of also gave me a feeling I know how to play to have a chance to beat them. I know what I have to do on clay. Of course it's. It's not gonNa be, but at least. It helped me a lot to. PUT UP A game plan. To play him in the future monthly. What was it about your game on that day in Paris, two, thousand and nine, the calls dolls problems that he never experienced before Roldan Garros. Do you think? Well First of all. You know by beating for Sir. Ground That was the first time I was around in any Grand Slam before I think earlier in my career. I played really well. In some smaller tournaments beat a lot of good players, but I could never really go deep in the Grand Slam by beating her in the third round. You know. I showed that okay I can. I can reach the second round. Against I had basically nothing to lose. You know no one. No one in the whole world expected me to win so. I felt that I could. have to play to play really aggressive. I have to take my chances. Go for my shots in. That normally might game I just felt that. Okay. I have to do. It's even better and play even more aggressive. Than I felt that I had nothing to lose. And then of course I got up to a good start, I won the first set I played well, but I felt okay. I can play even better than this like today. Rafael really needs to step up going to beat me. And when the dull level the second set. I think a lot of people. Watching probably felt like he was then. GonNa take control of the match. How how aware were you of how important that third set was? And how did you manage to stop him getting some momentum? While I think. I, think I was actually the better player in the second set as well, but I didn't play well unwilling tiebreaker. Maybe the only part of the match I didn't play well at a major really poorly. Boil tie-break. And of course Dallas tough. You know going up. Going up two sets to love competitive being one set all it's. It's a complete different story, but I just tried to tell myself okay. That was my seth. Dina, one. Bad tie-break, eight one change anything and then I was. A little bit lucky to get an early break in. Straight away in the in the third set. That really helped me to. Forget about the the second set than just look forward. Did you have any sense that the Dow was not quite right physically that day. few, no, I. Never I was actually one of my strange. You know I never really. Cared about touted opponents I was. It was easy for me to just focus on my own game so. And that's that can be really tricky. Sometimes I'd never really had problems with that day in particular. What I was really focused. You know I was I was in the zone. You know even though. There was a full crowd. A lot of people screaming sharing I didn't hear them. You're not with soulful on next point, and also I think to be able to be long place especially in the best of five. You cannot think too far ahead. Do you know it's? It's like running running a marathon? What you have to do, but if you start thinking about what's coming, it's a or what's happening your. What's going to happen in the future? You Know I. Think it's it's really tough. You just have to take one point in time, which is extremely difficult because you play a lot of points in and. Did it feel historic and significant? While you apply in the Matt Shaw once you've manage to win them actual. Did it take some years later to realize just how big of an achievement it was. Well. After the match you know of course. I realized it was a great. Big Achievement never lost before, but I think by the time the year has passed. You know I think it's become haven. Mormon. Sh- and I think that's a lot about. Rafal, so you know. He only lost two matches in his whole career enrolling on Garrison, twelve times I mean it's just it's just amazing. I know that Russell was in extremely good clay court, but I could never imagine that. That's how Slam twelve times. It's just. I don't think we're ever going to see again, not the least in our lifetime. When I think of your rivalry against Nadal I think having a little bit of an edge, maybe some tension, I think perhaps you incident Wimbledon a couple of years before the wrong gals to nine match. Is that fair to say and do you think that your relationship with Dr Actually helped you win. Maybe you were respectful of him, but not kind of Reverend Shelter Watson. Well I think that you know. I have I have a lot of respect for for sign all the old, the other top players. You know what they did. What they did for for the sports is just unbelievable lesson. That we need all the other players had a lot of. Hassle Lot to thank them for of course even though it's been tough to play in a in a time, where maybe three best players in the history are playing at the same time outside Ron Yaacob rich, but again they did look so much for attendance but I think it's really important than that, but when you go into the match, you really. Tried to show yourself to yourself. Show your opponent than everyone there that you're actually on the court to win it. And you know I see many times when when really good players are going up against against these three guys you can. You can kind of sensible the of course. They want to win, but they really may be. They're not believed that they can win hundred percents. And Against Players like like this, guy suddenly. play I think. That's really important because you cannot give anything away I think it's so much more difficult to win against them. Don't really believe you can do it, so that's what I. Always try to show my satellite. I I always tried to no matter. Who I played. You know I always tried to to see myself. A winner and show I was there to to win the match. And that's what I was trying to do. And how did it feel to be the guy to do it? Is that was that the kind of attention that you liked? Did your did your media? Commitments really increase after that match oversee. You're still in the tournament. What was the next few days like for you? well, of course, it was, it was tough. It increased a lot not only. The, coming days in that during the tournament, but I think my. My whole career changed after that you know of course managed to steal play really well broke into the top ten, eventually top four to five, so it was, it was a complete different story. The last few years of my career compared to when I was. Ranked twenty twenty five in the world. and it it basically changed really quickly so I was it was a little bit difficult to handle, and also of course during the tournament, but I remember a straight after. Winning the match against Rao saw I told myself that. I'm still in the tournament. This was not the final, even though in. In one way felt that it was the final, but I really didn't WANNA be. That guy beating sought to to play a a poor matching in and yes loose. You know I could lose, but I just wanted to keep on playing well and you know not. Not Go down. Mentally especially and I managed to do that really well, but of course he was. It was really tough all the time I had to keep thinking about next match that I was still in the tournament. which is not easy now for sure seventy players would often lose their next match after beating one of the big three Yeah, it takes love energy to beat them. You know most physically by the special also mentally in You always get the kind of sense after Mash like the statue like your. Relax a little bit. You're like oh I made it. but then it's just a matter of trying to get up there again in just to again than I. Oh, I told myself that. Okay. No matter if I lose in the next round or if I win the tournament. After around out or asked driving the tournament then I can relax knock before. Wow, so interesting to hear what he was going through what he was thinking. How he approaches these things that record described Adia how he'd never won one of his seventeen attempts at beating the big three before and here he was having done it, and that it can tie you ass, and he was determined to carry it on we she did he he won. Two more matches got to the final, but I just find him so interesting to listen to about how he approached here I think it's a great question about the kind of agro in that match Wimbledon that he'd had which was a five-set epic, and he was mimicking the Dow, wasn't he with making fun of his ticks? And it didn't go down well with everybody including the Dallas dancing at the time, but the way he carried himself in the match. We've just seen. He he, he had some attitude. He, he did a fake wedgie pulled. In it was a it was A. MAZING match that that Wimbledon match that they play didn't lost over five days. G To do to rain. Rings a Bell Yeah. was. It wasn't didn't realize it was that Maddie dies, but yes, that's certainly what they said in the commentary. What we've just watched. Perhaps, let's check that his saying it and face is going. That sounds completely implausible Catherine five days. Any more than one day. It was weird and wonderful, and the ACURA continued postmarked in that neither of them back down from that Agrarian Adul-. Basically said he was unhappy with the siblings. Behaviors said that he's unfriendly behind the scenes, says that whenever said whenever he would you greet settling? He would ignore him in the corridors, and an apparently, that's how he was with with most players. It wasn't personal to Nadeau. and settling had these comments going put to him in his post-match press conference and Said why don't want to pretend you know he? He really owned embraced, being being bit spiky in not being. Not Setting out to be like CNA, he made the he made. The comparison made the point about celebrating a net quote, he said. Why did you want me to pretend the? Getting lucky net cord isn't the best thing that's ever happened to me. You know I don't want to be. I don't want to be disingenuous and maybe. I mean the way he talked about. The Room defeat for just one game a couple of weeks before, and how in his mind that was a positive is. Fascinating, but maybe. That was their first meeting at the time since. Wimbledon match I. Think Nidal got out a lot of his rage. And resentment that day I mean news still felt like there was some tension, a Roland Garros, but may be adulthood. worked out just a little bit too much of the fury a couple of weeks before. I was Kinda surprised when I spoke to said that he was quite softly spoken, and I think he I think he struggles to actually put the match into words and the magnitude of that achievement I think he can kind of explain his thought processes, but it's it's difficult for him to really say how much it means. I was kind of expecting him maybe to come out with some. Big, a bradshaw lines on it because that's what is tennis was like he's one of those people who's sort of off-court demeanor. Certainly in retirement doesn't quite match up with what you saw on the court China. Do think he's I. Do think that that attitude he had towards the Dow was a big part of why he won so many people used to go on the core. Basically having lost before it even started against the federal and I think the biggest compliment you can pay, so circling is the I think. The dull fans liked him, and they didn't like him because they knew he was a threat, and they knew he wasn't going to be intimidated by the dull, and it started with smash and it's some. It's a big reason why he wanted I think to use your words. He wasn't reverential and you're right to dial. Fans would not have lie that federal fans don't like it. If play gets in federal face, because so few of them do talking yesterday about how the montages made up about all of the players, saying lovely and amazing which he is, it's just, but it's not the point. If you're trying to beat the guy, I'm not sure that helps loo. We see it now, don't we? We see you know young players come along, even not necessarily young players lower ranked players they they have a practice with Federal Dole, and to some extent Jackovitch as well, but I mean particularly federal actually Mussa than dull, and they'll get a sophie with him afterwards. And I just want to swap them around the head for that. I just think I mean for me. Falls into the same category as as journalists asking for Sophie. He's your colleague. Easier colleague and you shouldn't be get it, but it's it's Oh. You could be drawn to face him next week and his laws. Memory will have been you asking for Sophie. In such a mental game you just can't. E can't give away that ground. So we'll see anything wrong with Adele that day. Because recently Joel for Sanga did a a Chanson. We all tennis and he said that Rafeh will never speak about this, but when he lost a sudden nine, we all knew he was sick. He had a bad throat and did not feel well at all. That's the truth. I mean we. We will not will expose because Nidal. Don't think because ever alluded to having anything wrong with him, did you? Did you think saying back to anything wrong with him? I'm not saying this isn't a worthy talking. Point and dodge the question because I think that could have been something wrong with him, but. How many matches you know, just lure of averages will middle of played and one having been ill or off kilter in some way that we know about because he he won, and there was no reason to question how he was feeling. People have played and won tough matches feeling ill before. We just don't necessarily hear about it. Yeah I mean it doesn't doesn't really matter, does it? I mean I think two thousand nine was when the Dow's parents were going through their separation. I do think there was a little off. Call distraction a little bit about Dr in that time I think the commentators were picking up that he seemed distracted on the court whether that was what was going on in his life, or he was injured. He didn't play Wimbledon that year, he. Didn't defend his title and I think when he returned on the hardcourts, he did have the strapping around his knees, so I can certainly believe there was something up with him because he was. Yeah, it wasn't at his best. He was mistiming with all the shots and he wasn't. He wasn't setting the tempo of the match, so dealing was the one dictating the rallies and in control and logged. Part of that is to do with his game those massive tape Bax. He's got his swings, and he was able to kind of smother adult all of the time, but normally. Nadal is able to overcome. Apply plan like that. He just couldn't on this day, but it does say a lot about how great circling walls, especially in those conditions I mean is difficult. New preps didn't quite realize that I didn't watch the match. Live how how windy it was that day and Adult best wind player in the world. I've the last fifteen years in Robben. think of any other watching him play in the wind. His game looks like one with these these big swings really flat hitting looks like the wooden adopts to to the wind very well I mean surely you thought an adult would avoid that morning, and an rubbed his hands together in Glee, but Yeah. He never looked settled. He always looked. A little bit irritable and It's interesting hearing settling. Say in your interview there Matt the. After that I that which he won very convincingly, he he got to end up I. Thought we'll have one. That's and I can still play a lot better because that was my impression just now watching it. He didn't play that great. In the first set it was there were moments where it was great but it. It was really patchy, really really patchy so mentally to think of just beaten. The footer of just want set against the four time defending champion, and I'm not even really playing my best I was expecting to watch this match NC settling just redlining and basically being in a Purple Patch for the whole match, but it it wasn't like that he had ebbs and flows, but he was never really not in control. And I think the point that he said at the start of that interview was that. He felt more comfortable in his game in two thousand nine, not because he was playing his best necessarily, but because he was getting through matches where he wasn't at his best, and that is, that is so much of what tennis is about. You rarely play your best game. To win normally, it's about finding a way to win when you're not at your best and I. Think Settling really improve that adamant of his game in this in this tournament of the rest of his career. That's what I unfortunately. I can't attribute this quite because I genuinely completely forgotten. He said it may be David can remember, but practicing isn't about improving your best game. Practicing is about improving your average game. I. Can't the Tributes Twenty Buddy but? I think. Maybe it was allure original. You're right. Well settling went on. To beat Nikola, Davydenko, six, one, six, three, six, one, which is very very impressive scoreline to back up a win like that. Then he edged his way past Fernando Gonzalez in a fifth set, and faced Roger Federer in the final, the whole world, waiting to see federal could finally take advantage of somebody removing refund the Dow from his path, and that's the money would face in the final, not federal trying for the career slam to complete. Complete the set. So what does settling remember about that? How does the experience compare? It was different story on. That was my first grand. Slam final something that I have been dreaming about since basis started playing tennis and to play against Roger Who's show, or who is so while so experienced already back then you know. He plays so many Grand Slam finals. He had so many titles already, so mentally may be our soon really. Really prepared. For that. But I didn't think much about who was playing. You know it was Roger had the chance to to to find a win the French. Open, you said the Tida or break or tied the record against the. Against Empress. but it was. It was difficult was to find. And mentally, especially in the first set that was not the took a while for me to kind of get into the match. and. What made Federa so good that day so tough to play against? I mean to me. Rogers has always been the toughest opponent. I'm not saying that's. Necessarily better than than Darah son Novak. At to me was more difficult to play against him because he was able to mix up his game. You know so much. He makes you uncomfortable on court. Playing Malaka Raft, even though a even though I lost, you could still go off the court and feel that I played well. You know it was a good match. He was just Baird Me Day, but against Roger. Of all the times they played against him. There's just a couple of times or few two three four. Maybe four times I felt that. I played well. It was always so difficult to play well against him and I realized you know in the beginning. I was like I, I. Know I need to play well to have a chance to beat Roger. but I just never couldn't do it, so I was frustrated about that, but then after a while areas that. Is His style. He makes you uncomfortable on core in makes you. Knocked that's one always strange strengths. Actually you know. He makes you and not play your best tennis. Do, you ever think that S-. Federal maybe wouldn't have a French Open if you hadn't they in the dull that day. Do you ever think about the way your victory Ivan? An adult really altered the course of tennis, history and that way? while he only won it once you know the way he played that year, he could. Of course he could have been. He could beat rustling the final. But. I think that. Roger both no in they will or slams, and I think Roger is at least equally as good as too so I. Think you know this serves to have won. All four Grand Slam is just a shame that his only win. was against me. Yes. He did make him play badly relatively speaking, didn't they? Because he was throwing DRP shirts in every other shot, giving him all sorts of different angles, and you could see selling almost lawn and to shout. Give you normal shot, so I can hit. The living daylights out of. Ronald as ones that have run after up to the net. It was funny to watch my memory of that time. Is that going into round on gals? Everyone was talking about how fedor developed a dropped shot on class. Especially, if forehand drop show, and the and the story was that it was to try and beaten Adul- and then. We didn't have to play door, and it turned out to be the perfect weapon to beat. The guy did have to beat. And I think I think we should say that. Circling beaten doll on the Mondays we've as we've set around on garrison federal than the next day goes to set down to Tommy Haas and this fall in the third thirty forty down and break point down, and if he if he'd lost that point house would have served to not federal in straight-sets and federal comes up with. With a forehand winner on the line, and that was a crucial moment in this tournament as well and I think he had he was on the ropes against pop tro in in the semis as well and then, but by the time he got to the final. kind of felt like heeds. Done the really hard work, and there's just this overwhelming sense of occasion about it and I just I just think federal handled. It better came out of the blocks so fast in that final, and didn't allow serving any time to set or whatever. Breaking the in his opening service named knee is is robin settling the only person in the world? He thinks that we're the federal could've one that French Open had settling, not taking adult forum. That year is an interesting one, isn't it because? Let's say the Dow's maybe not playing as well not yet and federal is playing well, I mean it will never no way, but that's the only outstanding question. I mean the the evidence. Is there for all to see every other year? The Dow just? Being too good for more somebody else has been too good from federal. Nidal's beating the loss, but that particular year well. Maybe but. I don on balance I think all of us think probably notes on this I think if the Dow get through that match. He probably improves and ends up winning it. Because, he's done every other time apart from. A Don't think he was. Bad enough. You know it. He'd beaten federal little of four games in the final the before the the relative differences, the relative change in form for both of them that would have been required. Tennis wise and both to counteract the mental baggage cumulated by that point I just think that shift with. Big Personally, but also so much depends on the weather as well, doesn't it? It would have been quite interesting to see a damp sake day full for Federa- any any might have. been out a mess about him. Yes as we learned from ESPN yesterday, Federa Sochi tick. By the way, we should say Catherine was upset. You write about five day match for Nidal against settling at Wimbledon. We've looked up. In that five day match remember it, does it. Why are we talking about that? More tennis match lasted five days. How many times In the last twenty years buying you on about Henman even is a village. That was any three days. Yes. They went on eight separate time. An ended up being seven five in the fifth. Tedious, techy is how the New Times described that much afterwards, so that was a third round match. Yes, say. Day on the second Wednesday and still reached the final. Gosh yeah, it's no wonder. He lost the fine. Lines running. It's good. Overall it's it's good that federal managed to win that Title I would've felt harsh. Not Well I think the thing about Federer is he made show for five years. He never lost the French Open to anyone other than the Dow, and as every match has got pressure on it because he knows that he needs to win, but for the off chance that the. The dollar's GONNA lose and the one time he did. He was there to take. Event was still stressful, wasn't it? We've just whilst the highlights back. And even even when he's seven four it where abundance he's, he can, you can see in his features. He's blazing forehand drive all these long. These is shanking shots and his wife is holding hands together in prayer. I the whole thing is is is so edgy. Yeah and he's two sets up, so you know he's still. He's GonNa cushion. There is not on a knife-edge. It's sort of echoes of Andy Murray trying to serve out the the twenty thirteen Wimbledon Mono. You felt like you feed got broken back. Everything could change actually settling completely shanks doesn't a on on on break point thirty forty is. That was. Terrible terrible error in the circumstances I, think that final is also memorable for something that didn't appear in the highlights, and actually an incident that perhaps made it into a tight match, because federal runs through the first set easily, and then I think is in the second set whether this the guy who was calling himself Jimmy, Jimmy Jump, man, or something, ran out of the coal, ran out from the stands onto the court and waved a Spanish flag, riding federal his face, and it was a good few seconds before the security team sort of ran onto the court and Nevada tackled him, but it was a a really scary moment I mean he could have. Had, a weapon could have been trying to call home, and if he wanted to, it would have been able to and I think I think it did rattle fetter I mean, of course it would for a few games in that in that match. I do I mean this is a silly redundant thought experiment. Is there. An Alternate Universe Image Federa didn't get that two thousand and nine French Open, and he now aged thirty eight, rather than sort of skipping the clay court season in focusing his attentions elsewhere is basically a playing clay season just. Really desperately trying to get that. Elusive friendship and he's got a coaching tape of Jose higueras. Back in the snowman. And he's playing like all the warm up events. He's playing an Esterel. He's playing in. Yeah he's playing. He's playing. He's even playing the ones after Wimbledon. He's off to catch bill to get some early practice in the next year. My career is all about the French Open now. In February and Have Been. Would he still playing? If you haven't done that? Two Thousand and nine, French, because he wouldn't have been able to, or he wouldn't have wanted to skip clay-court seasons and preserve his body and so. A Lotta things would have been very very different. Would you found another year to win it? Tonight during say. Well, we'll never know, but it's fun to talk about. And what about Robin Soderling I think I? Anybody talks about this match this year. You can tend to forget that. He then backed it up the next year, and he went all the way to the final. He beat Federa along the way it was the only time he ever beat Federer, sixteen one who's the head to head in favor of federal, but settling beat him got to the final played in the Dow again, but then got crunched in the final, the Dow on a big sunny I took him out. In straight-sets, and then an unsettling says that he's actually most proud of that swearing in twenty ten against federal of all his big moments vote on Garros because as he's explained federal for him was the toughest opponent and federal at the time was on A. Streak of I think twenty three consecutive Grand Slam semifinals reached, and suddenly stopped him in his tracks, and he gave a great line that. Sometimes, he just wishes them both in one tournament and lost in the first round the next year. Then, he'd have guaranteed, so, but yeah, he did. It makes it all the mole. It's a story. You can connect with I. Think all the more that then carried it on. It wasn't a fluke. Beating dollar wrote on Garros. He launched this next phase of his career, which was stronger. Yeah, we will remember. Ruben settling a lot more than we remember. Martin Kirk or marry on a rule. Mount of Washington so an old days, people. Have that place in in history and played pop, but I yeah it. is she usually impressive that he brought it up the next year? Not Anybody would have been would have been expecting that money. Think unsettling, only played for just over two years after that win against needle in two thousand, nine suffered from mononucleosis, and he can tell us himself what happened. It was a really tough time of course I spelt that. When all this happened! That was playing may be my best tennis. Had A great start of two thousand eleven. I had some problem. During spring had some problem with injuries, and then I started to play really well again after Wimbledon belong in Boston, and then this happened so of course. It's a shame that it that it happened during. During a time in my career, when I was may be at my peak. But sometimes I feel like okay. What if this happened when I was eighteen? You know I still had a good career. I have so many good memories. I reached any of the goals. I had. S, s junior, not all of them, but at least. Many of them. On site tried to see in a positive way, but of course the first year or even two three years after retire was mentally mentally tough, especially watching tennis on TV I remember watching us, open and was Nishikori against sillage in the finals. Though is like the first time. Since well since I was in the final, basically that no-one apart from. Roger Rafa. And the analysis in the finals, and and these guys I saw they were, they were extremely or are extremely good. Players by had a winning record against them myself. That I was a little bit of ahead of them so of course I. My thought was so came maybe maybe. That would be or I felt that. I should have been lung winning. Grand Slam title instead of just laying on the couch, and I really wanted to play, but I just couldn't do it. Extremely frustrating. And am I right in saying that you tried several times to come back. Yeah, I tried lost unite. I really didn't want to give up because I was when this happened I was I was still only twenty seven years old, and in my mind, I plan to play. At least you know five six more years. So I, felt that I had time, but I really wanted to try to Comeback I. Love Playing Tennyson that was that had been basically my whole life since since I was four years old when I first started. FUCKED didn't work out in the beginning. I was extremely Sake I. Didn't even think about tennis. You know and that's that's when you may before the first time in your your life. You really realize what's important than that's healthy. Do in my career basically not all I. cared about, but what I can mostly was the tennis. I think that's the case for many professional athletes, not only tennis them. Than when you can't play and you feel sick. You know in the beginning. I just didn't care about. The fight could ever play again. I just wanted to to feel good. But then when I started to feel a little bit better, you know of course I. think that's how we we. And my perspective changed a little bit than I. Really wanted to come back and I felt okay, but as soon as I started to train and push my body. Symptoms came back extremely tired again that stay in bed for a week. And United felt that. Somewhere deep down in my mind. I felt that you know okay. Now I'm going back I gonNA. Try Again, but somewhere. I. Don't think it's really gonNA work but I still wanted to to try and every time I had setbacks than. You know I finally took the decision to towels and Steven I think which is basically like four years later four years after I played my last match and then. It was a tough decision to take, but at the same time I kind of felt a little bit of a release. You know because then I then. I knew that okay now. I, don't have to. TRY TO COMEBACK I. Don't have to think about. Coming back every day I, don't have to feel stressed about the time passing I could just focus on you. Know trying to rest. Do Everything suitable to to come back? No matter if you will take one more week or three more years. And how are you now? What are you doing? Now. I feel good finally I. Knew nobody took. To say to five six year, someone say to I mean the last the last couple of years I do not see a identity bad at all, but to really be able to push my body and to train and do whatever I want to long long time. But now i. feel good also I. Still Play some tennis I work. Dan For the federation. Davis Cup captain. I have my own my own brand. Doing tennis tennis balls and Accessories Tennis Geren also now tattle, so he takes takes a lot of time but I I'm still really glad I'm I'm involved in tennis? You know as I said. I Love Tennis. been playing my whole life so It's just it's just great to be back in the tennis world. Even though I'm not playing myself, it's good to hear that he sounds positive now, but he's obviously gone through a really tough time of the those years, I mean he was at his peak, he just one tournament without dropping a set in both start in Sweden and it seemed like you know he'd got best years ahead of him. Maybe even still and then it was snatched away. It did feel like he could have been a rinker, didn't it? At that stage in he is, his career received the Franken. Won His his Grand Slam finals, bit. It did feel like that suit of. Trajectory. And he certainly had. The the belief to do that as we've discussed that was, that was a crucial ingredient that was just missing from. From so many at that time and I love Israeli Gentle Troll, if the twenty fourteen year sap and final. Yeah must've been tougher him. You know thinking. That there was an opportunity here and I. I wasn't even able to to put myself in in the running for it and the other thing that he says that really. Just hits you in the gut is the relief he felt. Upon retiring at not having to feel anxious about time passing anymore, you know that feeling of losing ground without even doing anything and we've discussed that in relation to what's going on at the moment is frustrating as it must be. All the players to not. To be in this situation of not being able to play at least as not that feeling of losing ground. You're. Not! Everybody's in everybody's in the same position. You know watching the tour. Turn around you while you stay. Stay static. That must be. An incredibly. Nausea and juicing feeling really just very difficult to cope with. And and Hearing the stories of I've had these sort of things from our Mary ranch as well who suffered with mononucleosis. The way you just end up lying there unable to move, you got no energy, and then you do start feel better, and you make you go at it, and then you've got no energy again. Yeah. It's such an intangible illness, isn't it? It's so. So severe is very difficult to pinpoint exactly what the symptoms are I think a lot of people just feel generally drained and rubbish in some people experience extremely mildly, and some people extreme experience it in the way that the sewed which again must make frustrating, and it's one thing to to. To say to people who for people tonight I'm out of tennis because I've got. A hip flexor injury or whatever, but to just sort of be tired all the time, and not just sort of a depleted force this sort of in concrete intangible condition. It's must must've been so hard for him especially for. Athletes whose whose whole life is built around that body being physically strong so then the? Be Weak and feeble and unable to get back out on the cool. Yeah, I mean that. That gentle troll of Nishikori Chile actually comes up really sad image of just a guy who knows that you sitting watching it on the sofa knowing he should be. There will thinking he should be there. Some I've often think of del Paltrow's the main. Guy This air. Who has been taken out by injury? But I think certainly, and you have to have to include him as well because I think his. It was less well-documented as you said because it wasn't so specific departure risking treat. It was, it was intangible illness and Just kind of just dissipated and so two, so to hear him explain what went through is is is important, but also quite quite sad rating. Yeah glandular fever for those of us on this side of the Atlantic that illnesses known as I've heard so many people in tennis and sportive suffered from its and. Really feel free over that happy that he has got things going in his life in another direction now and got that closure. That's the most important thing, isn't it? Acceptance and and that sort of hotline to his career is being drawn, and he has so much to look back on and feel proud about here. We are eleven years on talking about his run, and it will happen for the rest of his days I'm sure that there will be people. Come into him and ask him. How did you beat Raphael? The Dow because only two men in history at the French Open. I've ever done him and Novak Djokovic. And did his Novak Djokovic tomorrow. Who is one of the pleasant will be focusing on in Roland? Garros relieved because we're going back to twenty, fifteen and twenty sixteen, when Jackovitch reached the final of both and he came up against Stanford Rinca, in the first them Andy Murray in the second memorable years, and we'll look ahead to those tomorrow. It's been a lot of fun today. Catherine Matt Thank you your company. Will look back on those David's. In in very pandemic, twenty twenty style getting the post confused with the present. In the flow now that it feels like this is actually happening. Watching these day at a time, and they might be really happening for everybody, but anyway hope you're enjoying reliving them with us here. On the tennis podcast we sent the are. Due reviewing on I tunes. If you're enjoying the shows, and if you WANNA, turn anybody you know about them, do so please because the more people that listen to it the more where able to do with the show and. I think we were really chuffed it. 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Incoming: Citizenship Data, ICE raids, and Tropical Storm Barry

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Incoming: Citizenship Data, ICE raids, and Tropical Storm Barry

"It's Friday July twelfth. Welcome to skim this. We're breaking down the most complex stories of the day and giving you the context on why they matter president trump stood down on asking about citizenship on the census yesterday but once they get the info in other other ways we'll connect the dots then lawmakers on Capitol Hill talk about what they saw at immigration centres last week as ice prepares for raids this weekend and tennis stars Nidal versus Federer hit forty meet ups on the court that is as we're here to make your Friday smarter let skim this. The most complicated story today is about citizenship and the twenty twenty cents US president and trump said yesterday he was done trying to get a question about whether or not you're a citizen on next year's form. This is part of a broader left-wing effort to erode the rights of the American citizen and is very unfair to our country. President trump had been fighting to include back question even after the SUPREMES press pause back in June and the Commerce Department had already started printing out the forms. If you only skim the headlines about this today you might think <hes> president trump gave up the fight but it's not that straightforward. He says he he has a new plan and we're GONNA get into it. What president trump is calling for why he's calling for it and why it could have wide ranging implications for the entire country okay? The government uses census data to tell states how many representatives they get states us census data to look at their electoral maps and decide how they need to be redrawn to make sure they're about the same number of residents in each district so that every person has equal representation. Some Republicans have argued in the past that they'd rather base electoral maps on how many eligible voters read citizens are in a particular location instead of how many people live there non-citizen immigrants wouldn't be counted for those maps and therefore those maps would dilute the power of immigrant communities overall which tend to vote democratic so it'd be a win for Republicans to be clear up until now the trump administration has given a totally different reason for wanting to ask about citizenship on the census which the supremes called contrived but yesterday president trump said this information is also relevant to administering our elections. Some states may WanNa draw a state and local legislative districts based upon on the voter eligible population so that's pretty clear redrawing naps is the point but president trump says he's got a new plan to help get dot info and citizenship to the states I'm here by ordering every department and agency in the Federal Government to provide the Department of Commerce with all requested records regarding the number of citizens and noncitizens in our country. You should know that this is data that many agencies already have he wants it all in one place why it's complicated stick with us right now like we said the census determines how many representatives presentative each state gets for the House in D._c.. It doesn't determine how many representatives each day gets in its own legislature. The states get to decide that themselves and the census also doesn't determine outright how those maps are drawn either for state seats or how seats in most states the people who do that sit in the state legislatures so state lawmakers in some cases could use this citizenship info from the Commerce Department to design how to redraw their local districts. The Supreme Court looked. To this back in two thousand sixteen and they left open the question of whether states can do this and like we said if they draw districts based only on eligible voters both parties expect that to help Republicans and then if they're elected to the state legislature based on those maps and depending on the state they might be in charge of redrawing maps for U._S.. Congress so they could effectively gerrymandered congressional districts in the House to help Republicans the Supreme Court said in June. They've got no beef with partisan. GERRYMANDERING president trump pointed that out in his remarks yesterday indeed the same day the Supreme Court handed down the census decision it also said it would not review certain types of districting decisions which could encourage states to make such which decisions based on voter eligibility to be clear right now the Commerce Department isn't supposed to release specific data adopt people citizenship even if states wanted and there's another big implication here census data not only helps states draw maps like we said the big thing it does is help the federal government decide how many members of Congress each state is allowed to have based on population and right now. The State of Alabama is suing the Commerce Department moment saying undocumented immigrants should be excluded from that count. Here's Attorney General Bill Barr yesterday depending on the resolution of that dispute this data may be relevant to those considerations we will be studying this issue that cases pending in a district court in Alabama but if Alabama successful that could mean states with more undocumented immigrants. We'll get less representation in Congress. So what's the scam the next year census won't have a question about citizenship on it but this whole back and forth might still have a chilling effect on immigrants. Lots of big decisions are made thanks to the census including how much government money states get so an undercount could. Could mean less resources for the places that needed and the trump administration hasn't given up on getting a full count citizens and noncitizens as a way to draw voting districts and president trump also hasn't given up on asking about it in the census in his executive order. Yesterday he asked the Commerce Department to look into bringing it back in the Year Twenty thirty the house oversight committee heard from eight of their colleagues today about their recent visits to immigrant detention facilities along the U._S.. Mexico border they all highlighted problems but with two very different storylines I four Republican members who represent border districts testified they said this crisis is nothing new representative Debbie Lesko or Republican from Arizona took issue with the Democrats version before they even spoke I in some of my democratic colleagues worlds they seem to think that all of a sudden out of the blue thousands of illegal immigrants showed up at the border and are just oblivious oblivious to the ear long calls by Republicans and some Democrats for years for Immigration Reform the Republicans and Democrats agree that there's overcrowding and a lack of resources but Republicans say the problem needs to be addressed by closing loopholes in immigration law they say dams are playing politics by blaming the agencies that run detention centers. Here's representative Andy Biggs another Arizona Republican. It is a crisis it is real and we do not get anywhere. Her by blaming the people who are doing their best to help these people we need to look in the mirror. We need to make the changes Democrats have a different story. They described the conditions. You've heard a lot about overcrowding crowding insufficient water migrants sleeping on concrete the list goes on we've seen conditions that dehumanize migrants stripping them of their dignity Texas Democrat Veronica Escobar blames the conditions on policies enacted by the trump administration representative Alexandra Ocasio Cortez from New York said she believes the story she heard for migrants at the border. She describes the treatment as cruel. The cruelty is manufactured. This is a manufactured crisis because there is there's no need for us to do this. There's no need for us to overcrowd and to detain an under resource. This hearing was focused on detention centers along the border but centers as in other parts of the country are also in the spotlight. That's because immigration and customs enforcement is planning to carry out raids across the country starting on Sunday. The administration says they want around up at least two thousand undocumented immigrants in ten in major cities and deport them a sap. These are immigrants who have already received orders that they have to leave the country but are still here. Ice Agents aren't allowed to enter anyone's home though so a lot of activists are telling immigrants not to open their doors one place where there aren't going to be any raids New Orleans. I said it'll hold off on immigration enforcement in the areas of Louisiana and Mississippi that will be affected by tropical storm Berry this weekend. Very is the first storm to approach the U._S.. This hurricane season it's expected to have wind speeds of about seventy miles per hour at its peak tonight so it's just shy of a hurricane put it could still end up affecting ten million people along its pat in Louisiana. They've had a bunch of rain already and the rivers are already twice as high as normal. They're expecting Berry to dump another ten to fifteen inches plus two to three feet of storm surge. That's left the high winds are a triple threat right now. Local officials say the levees should be able to handle it but of course everyone's watching closely. President trump has already declared a state of emergency before we go today. We've got a fun fact coming to you. From Wimbledon tennis icons Roger Federer and Rafael Nidal met on the court today for the fortieth time Federer Federer won the match and four sets three one. This is a long term relationship better doll had their first date on the court in Miami in two thousand four back when Nidal was only seventeen that time he beat Federer who is the world's number one time and with that one of the biggest rivalries and tennis was born overall Nidal ahead. He's one twenty five times to Federer's fifteen wins but at Wimbledon better has the upper hand counting today. He's won three of their four matches. She's here in two thousand seven to competed in a battle of surfaces. Match federal likes to play on Grass Nadal on clay so the court was half-and-half. It wasn't cheap. The court took over nineteen days and one point six million dollars is to make Nidal took home the gold at that match. Booth players are super ambitious pushing each other to their boundaries still. They're cool with each other federal has said he's Nidal's number one fan match point.

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Listener questions special - travel tales, worst 5-set matches and what should Wimbledon change?

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Listener questions special - travel tales, worst 5-set matches and what should Wimbledon change?

"Hi, this is Marion. Bartoli Mats Wilander. This is Mary Carillo Rowing I'm Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray. This is Yannick Noah Hi. This is Trish in crews limb Saco from Amsterdam and you're listening to tennis podcast. Well Hello, and thank you to dress Jn in Amsterdam for your in Trae and fuel support in the twenty twenty. What are year? It's been It's been three whole days in our last tennis podcast and very little tennis has happened in the intervening time. So we why not do another one? Just to update you on. Tennis. News from the three day period we'd been denied Dominic team can Stan Wawrinka yes I'm pronouncing it will rinker apparently we've been pronouncing his name wrong for the past fifteen years so I'm just GonNa keep saying it correctly and over to try and make amends usual issues go planning. To balance it. It turns out Andy Murray was getting it right all along I can't believe we ever him. So Christian Garin denied us. Worrying were rinker against team because he got the better rinker dominic team defending champions Dylan Novak Djokovic. Won His first round match against Philip Crianlarich which means that Jovic secured the year end number one ranking for a sixth time in his career provided. Big Caveat here that Rafael Nidal doesn't enter. To, play the tournament in S- affair which. I hope I'm not speaking out of term when I say I think is Unlikely although he has confirmed intends to play Paris and London which is also unexpected. So who knows Sophia don't get your hopes up but stranger things have happened? We had a couple of stories break in the past forty, eight hours of the court, both of them. Surrounding Alexander is very of both of them coming as. A real shock and surprise. To the tennis world, the first of them the needs that his ex girlfriend Brenda. PETYA and I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly is expecting a baby we understand sh-. She's expecting Alexander's Verbs babies. She's festival. There was news grandpar- she subsequently. Done an interview in Germany where she's she's stated that she won't be seeking. Joint Custody but as as his welcome to be. involved. With raising the child if he should, which we have got a statement from Alexander verve that's come out. This evening other share with you in just a moment but that statement also covers. The second storey which is broken stay regarding Zverev, which is rather distressing. It is an accusation of domestic violence from his former girlfriend. Sharp over he many news outlets including the Telegraph and the Daily Mail UK a reporting on she was in a relationship with Alexander's verve. Until last year, she claims he hit her head against the wall and tried to strangle her. which oversee hugely hugely Distressing a thing to hear We have had a statement from verve as said, just just in the last half hour say and it reads thus the last days were quite challenging for me. I will be a father at age twenty three and I'm very much looking forward to the child even they Lebron I longer together we have a good relationship and I will live up to my responsibility as a father. Together we will take care of the little person that is about to grow. I don't want to say more in public about this private subject. I'm sure that Brenda and I can manage it without the media involved. Then there are the unfounded accusations of my ex girlfriend Olga, Sharapova, which I read in the media today, they made me very sad. We've known each other since we were children and shed many experiences together. I very much regret that she makes such statements because the accusations is simply not true. We had a relationship, but it ended a long time ago why older is making these accusations now I just don't name I really hope that the tourists will find a way to do each other again and reasonable under spiteful way. So that is where we're at with that story. I don't know if they'll be any any further developments. So obviously something that is. Really, made the the tennis sports news world sit up and pay attention as and when there is news and developments we will. We will keep you across them but That's obviously hugely distressing story to read and hear about. But I'm. Yeah we GONNA move on TV slightly happier will hopefully happier topics it depends. What? Comes out in the bag of questions doesn't it? He's been sending in your questions in there I want to say dozens. Dozens feel right. Matt can you say hundreds if it's over one hundred but less than two hundred? I think he can I think it needs to be moment two hundred. Dozen citizens drew. What about drones singing Joy uses a a nonspecific. Large. Say Thank you droves of questions. The overall quality has been extremely high and we've had to have a very stringent selection process. So many apologies if your question hasn't made the cut and we will, of course, be doing future any questions show. So you they'll be other chances fee to get your questions answered. I mean we've we've agreed amongst ourselves to do about four thousand podcasts between now and the end of the IT. So I'm sure they'll be other any questions, shays popping up but. We're going to start I'm going to I'm going to find some questions I evokes. Grady. So we're going to start with a nice easy one comes Moina, this came in on instagram. It is who is the best at tennis and I assume Monet's means out of Matt David and Catherine and not out of people in the world because the answer to that is at the moment Novak Djokovic. So if you're talking about Myself Matt and David I'm going to say Matt. Year, but it depends on the ear it isn't it? Are we talking, right. In nineteen eighty better. Tennyson Iowa's David. Yes. Correct. But if we were to go back just a few years, for instance, I mean. Peak. Ways, the window when you. I think it might peak. I might have a decent game against Matt. When will your Peak Catherine? Pre back. Yeah. Over say, well, can I mean Catholics played against me in twenty fourteen in December. Twenty fourteen and. Yet when we play a ten point time. Twice. Twice. Because I. I I needed Hawkeye ready to to come into to play. My life filed me on a particular line call and I caught some Gra Actually I having I'm the only one who's played both of you. I would say so I paid twenty fourteen. Catherine, have you been much better than you were in that sort of time Definitely, that was not my best and I will concede reluctant David that probably wasn't you at your best. To think given my memories of that day that was neither of us. Banks. I mean, there's no question. You would both rush me if you're playing well either one of you because because I'm not really been. Self. taught radio had a couple of lessons but I am a hacker really. You know what I'm doing side. I would like to see a match between the two of you. If you both plays you best because you've got you've. Got Strokes that I sort of look at and they look they look proper strikes. You know that's the difference I will try and re peak. If you can just maintain your peak all to to re summit mine I'm going to save you hear because you can't say yourself but I know, I, know you what to say to yourself. Well as. You play but I do think I'm better than David. Still outlets have remastered you. Touch on that artificial grass service that you refused clown. and. Would meet my solihull Simon. Beating best doesn't the belt holder. Set the conditions for the next match. No. If I. Doria each for the last one. I've got no injuries. Let's let's. Let's get it on to I haven't played since then. Right. Well Tamara David's been thrashed by his kids on a regular basis, right? Fourteen years. The, next question comes in from Russ McLeod, he's a regular listener. Of and crew contributed to the he says, would either tool benefit from an FA cup style in non seeded draw. A. Thousand Times. Yes Ross. Pro? Not. Every tournament I mean just as a novelty one tournaments. Thing one hundred percents I'd love that. Where where should that happen I mean I I think that should definitely happen the in wti finals. I don't initiate should be. Absolutely, Yes degree with that. The the issue is that tournaments would never support it because they they want to system that guarantees or guarantees but likely secures them that big names. Longer into the tournament doesn't it? They don't want to increase the risk that Roger, Federer loses early. Say. I think it's unlikely happen for that reason, the plays with the most power or the top ranked players they wouldn't wants it. So as much as I think, it's a no brainer in terms of entertainment and. The The spectator would enjoy I can't unfortunately say it ever happening. Ross drawn a distinction there or maybe a distinction between the different tools would either talk benefit. Is it possible that the way the tools quite different at the moment where the men's we've got a a group of dominant players. I actually think the way tournaments scheduled at the moment for years has benefited that style in terms of ensuring that most likely, the best players are going to meet. In the later rounds, the high state matches when most people are watching so I think for the. For the good of tennis. If he liked the drools have had seats and Djokovic doll veterinary have met each other late in tournament but. I don't know when it's more open like we've seen in the women's game more recently perhaps that would favor this bit more but then I'm I'm kind of thinking you've already got that a little bit seeds, a kind of relevant in. When it so and I think that's what we like so much about women's grand. Sam's is that the first week so many matches feel. Relevant to the outcome of the tournament which hasn't happened in men's tennis for Awhile I would say you get matches where you just Kinda know that. Really got a chance of winning this tournament. In the women's game so many players go to chances I suppose this is an argument in favor of not having seats that you could get more matches like that early on at the start of an event his where I think the the the I don't agree Catherine. The tournament should feel that they are letting go of their selling points to me. It is a selling point on its own. Degree either I just think. That resistance would be encountered in interest surprise. You know at a time when you've got people just trying to almost reinvent the game and going. In my opinion way too far like. UTSA and things like that and. Why not just have what is really quite a subtle change but a fantastic selling point of difference to say we are we are the gloves off. So we are the ham break is off this this tournament. There's no there's none of that. There's no protecting seeds of players of rankings you're in the draw you come out your play match start whingeing in what a brilliant selling point that would be. that it would rely on an sign up from big players because the novelty doesn't really apply. If you've got to play that wouldn't be high seeds tournaments anyway. And I I think they would they would be put off that rather play. You know if there were another tournament available that week and I think. Masters. something. Needs to be the obligatory mandatory or need have massive money behind it to pay guarantees just feel at Thanksgiving to see so many tournaments that have come along platforms and over the last year, including all the team events and yet. So many of them are just basically the same tournaments they're just cold something different. So a different way or in a different city, you could just really do something if you if you might the effort and just decided, we're gonNA market this and. Miami Indian Wells everybody's banging on about our wonderful. As well, Miami's the anything goes tournament. Somebody do come on we've done the big sell snow. No brainer. You make sure the ATP finals and the WNBA finals I don't like round robin in tennis I mean I, really like it in anything but I know it's a selling point for the tournament in that they can guarantee plays being in the drawer for certain amount of time and kind of setting sessions in advance people know they're. Going to see the best players but I've always thought the tennis works best when it's just straight knock out and I personally would like to see the year end finals have a different format just from a viewing perspective. I've just think something needs to be done to sightly shake them up, make them me more interesting and There's does very little I wouldn't do in order to eliminate dead rubbers. From Round Robin Events. Top. Sixteen knockouts no seats. Yeah it's just so counted to everything. That's. Wonderful. About Sport feels like my sporting solis dying. When I'm watching it did show as league in football when the have those group stages the tightened enough to yourself until they get into the knockout stages Yeah. Yes to to to a degree exposure. Anyway we've gone beyond a brief there and generally Generally established are we think the tennis world should be say take notice everyone Beth Forton on instagram says since he traveled a lot. Not, necessarily, very current comment but yes, Beth. Since you travel a lot worse travel stories and best travel tips. Who would like to go first on this one? Well, I don't know. I mean I was I obviously haven't traveled as much as you to my tip tends to be to try and avoid disasters just just because I'm timorous and. Write about things going wrong with the time I tend to be highly organized and have Saudi. Dowell travel stories I think and trips. I've not really experienced steady major disasters but I know for you have. So I will happily see the flu for lack of preparation diligence and yes matt. The implication that to only befalls the unprepared is I resent that. I get to the airport three hours. Early Person Are you? Yes. Okay. Surprise on his face. I am genuinely surprised by that. Right. Usually custody of the tension. Of any been late for flight once and it was. I was with my dad and we were flying home from the US Open and they actually. Shut check in like a minute early. and. So. We weren't able to check in, but technically, it was their fault we upgraded to first class and it was the best eight hours of my life. They brought a dessert trolley round and I said, can I have one of everything? I was like MacAulay Kokin in. Home Elaine to lost in New York. Splendid I had my enormous tennis ball which I'd got signed by Bunch of Tennis bezos wearing a Hoodie had this was tennis ball under my arm and I sat there in First Class. Just having in little bit of every dessert. Was this two thousand. That I was late for that flight. Sorry. Yes, two, thousand and full. I had a missed connection at ally I missed flight once having just got there in plenty of time going through the the the bank check in go through the other side. My headphones on didn't sit near a screen. And just saw. Close here, my fm just have a listen to the head hurts somebody got up and saying your flights leaving thought I. Remember Thinking Oh that'd be our position to be. Any more of a and a few minutes sites Cindy realized that been calling my name. I just went outling towards the what I mean. The plane and and it turned out it was me and I missed the flight did you make missed it to Bangalore? So that wasn't very good when I was in my early years I let my lesson but I've had a couple of others I had one chance one time I went to Australia and I mean, this was three flights to get from where we are vied to buy and Singapore and the flat to do by was at arrand light because of bad weather in Birmingham, where I was taking off from and as a result of that, I, then missed the connection to Singapore. And the the only way around I can't remember how ended up I ended up going to Melbourne and Sydney as well, and by the time I done all that the whole trip was. Well over forty hours. And Yeah. That was that was pretty grim. Is Supposed to be twenty, twenty, two or something and ended up being over forty. So that was that was great and then there was the one when I was. In my second year with the pay and I was at a tone of Switzerland one that Roach Federal Fest, played in English Dodd in Switzerland. Yes the cow on where we go given a cow and there was there was writing. For five days literally for five days with no play asshole. So they get to Friday and the stood in the first round and the next week I've told them in Tin Croatia. Which I'm supposed to be there on Saturday for and yet I'm still there on Friday pacifist round yet. So I'm having to stay on. and eventually got to the tournament in Croatia on the on the Wednesday and the Sonum it started on the Monday crew So had to wait for this thing to finish. And then between. The Winston, the final met my wife. Ended the. Next few days with A. So. What can I say? I I think most of my horror. Travel stores. Thirty Horrid, character-building travel stories. Centered around my time on the ATP Champions Two when I worked for David sometimes look back on some of these memories and think did I did I really do that? Make, they will make me sound extremely adventurous. But of course, at the time, you'll just sit if. Going along with things I I got corentin in a hotel room in Chengdu was writing for. Trump stories. Yet, Chengdu is not an epic time in my life I did subsequently returns Changji. Eventually to see the panders So I have had a positive Chengdu experience since then but my first trip there was pretty scarring. Sort of just doomed from the the word go you the flight was cancelled and then I missed my connecting flight and then. I go there in was ill and ended up corentin in this hotel room and then the return flight was. delayed G to horrendous smoke sat on the tarmac it. Air Port for about eight hours with no air conditioning. Then we were told to disembark the plane and Chengdu apple only had holes in the ground for toilets. And if this is the same trip where I ended up in a in a one still. Beijing airport. Hotel, with you've gained Kafelnikov Thomas Enquist. And Sergio Bouquet. Toes one. No that was in Mellon. That was ATP champion's tour Milan probably around about twenty four team where there were a couple of mosquitoes trapped in my well, actually, there were a lot more than that I killed most of them. During a period of several hours in the middle of the night just in a frenzy. In my pajamas on the mattress just trying to. Catch. Mosquitoes and Anyway. I couldn't catch the ball. ended up with I. Think. More. THAN THIRTY MOSQUITO BITES about my person complained to reception numerous times and they sent a maintenance guy he walked in the room and Oh. Yeah. Mosquitoes and walked out. anyway in the end they they said they couldn't possibly move move my ream case they were completely full so. I thought I. had actually lost my mind because I was I went to myself in the bathroom and I could hear mosquitoes buzzing in my as in the Mosquitos following me wherever I went. So I picked up my pillow and I took myself down says and I lay down on this sort of Sh- as long in the lobby and said, well, if you can't find me a room without flesh-eating insects than I shall sleep here and Lo, and behold A. Every materialized quickly because nobody wants to sort of semi dress, Gasser Metzger sleep in the lobby. Say you'll say got detained by the Ash cloud got stranded ball Selena. And had to had to drive from boss Selena not. Over the French border ended up in palliative stayed overnight at a winery in Montpelier. Thank you. ATP Champions Tool. That was great. Then hired another car Ramon Pele drove it up to Paris. Where in Paris, just about managed to get a Eurostar despite just horrendous queues because everybody is. Trying to get home because there were no flights anywhere. ooh and. Trip to Santiago. In Chile Great City effort I I think it was the last of A. Of quite a lot of long-haul trips and none of my -ployees to, get upgraded. There was no low that I wouldn't stoop to try and get upgraded from economy is nothing is depressing than sort of bumping into to pat cash in the. Boarding and then watching him turn left turn right. Yeah. So I'd had my fill of that. So I thought right this time did a bit googling about ways the upgrades anyway. I wore a splint under sling on my right arm. Catherine. The. Didn't what? Would check in thinking this is My side face didn't work with a keep it on. I'll keep it on because they can still upgrade you at the gate the most pathetic face at the gate. Didn't think that all the way through because I didn't get upgraded at the gate, but then you can't remove it straight away. So had to board the aircraft wearing the sling and the splint but then all the then all of the crew have seen me in the sling this anyway. Thirteen hour flight to Santiago had to keep the splint and the slang on all the way in order to. Save face and it was really itchy and uncomfortable so. So. I had my come up is yeah. That is the universe getting you back but I think go home. Matt, can you? She's still talks to me. And I sent her. Trips she was working for me. If you ever wonder why there's about attention. It was great. Of the character building. So let's to question no three questions with thirty minutes thirty minutes in Gosh. Doing four thousand podcasts between now and the end of the year. Hi Everyone I'm Jen and I'm jess or the host of the beauty podcast fat mess care here to tell you about strive becton's new super see retinol brighton correct vitamin C serum. We often interview dermatologist on our podcast in two of their favorites getting cure ingredients to recommend retinol vitamin C. 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No. But that's why I kind of think if if there could be a consultant that his dad was okay with somebody who could because the other thing is I really dance and there's much wrong with sits surpasses game as it is. There's a COUPLA tweaks it seems to me technically he needs to. Smooth out a couple of things I don't know how does jobs are the served one that requires the footwork miracles it. And the back in return particularly against the big servers and the use of a slice and just just how best to go about handling his his own backhand. But. and. I. Don't know how big those jobs are ready. I don't know whether it's sort of right employ somebody for two months in an off-season just sought it or whether it's somebody you've got to have around the time. I don't think mentally he's got. On the court a big problem or anything like that. I mean yes. There was that worry over losing those big leads and shanking that sort of thing but his French Open was good. So I kind of think you'll probably work through those things I think if you took his data why? He would be depressed. He wouldn't want to be. It wouldn't. WanNa. Do it. I. Always Find Questions about who should be someone's coach really hard at so interesting but the so much that goes into a coaching dynamic I. Think you so many. Coaching relationships not last very long because. So much of it is about personal chemistry in connection rather than necessarily what they're actually telling you about tennis I think. I think people do often say that tennis coach is a bit like you know the role is a bit like being a parent in a way that what your what your aim is that they can do it without you. I. Suppose because you're not able to help them on the call and I, do wonder with sit surpasses dad I completely agree with you David I, think he tried that one week didn't they without him in enroll my thing can. Yeah he was. He was close to break down I think by the end of that not having his data around but perhaps recognition that something needs to change or something could change needs to come from the dead. He might be the one who needs to say I. Still think my voice is important but I think you need another voice I think there's something that I can't give you that someone else would be able to give you and Maybe. It's not about completely removing that voice altogether, but bringing in someone else or. I don't know I. I think there is a way that someone could come in and the debt could still remain a crucial part of it but I'm not sure who's going to be the catalyst of that change whether it's Stephanos or the Dad I. Just I don't know I. Think my my hunch is that it might in the end have to come. From the data I think actually these various debt has has has done that in in terms of. Letting Alexander have other coaches. He he used to be way more involved than he is. Now he's still there, but he's not as big a presence as he was and I dunno whether sit surpassed might have a similar evolution. I do when you saying they're about the. Technical Stuff David, I'm in the same boat as you in terms of not knowing. How How big those tweaks on how long they might take to correct but in terms of the technical side of Magnus Norman Sprung to mind having. Having. Done so much good number rinker in that respect that chip can return I think is is the one area of the sits passes is lacking for me. To freeze knee Americans yeah. Absolutely, and I can I can seem fitting into a system where there is somebody else significant on the same such as Apostolos But there's also a part of me thinks that sort of kind of aside from Tennessee. Needs somebody that autry loses or doesn't quite plays best just. Put into perspective bit for him and I don't mean that to sound. Almost one of the things I like so much about sits pass is his lack of perspective sometimes the fact that it is completely life and death to him. But equally a D think it would be beneficial if e Kit have somebody traveling with him, just take him out for bare of his lost or. Just help him with the lighter side of things in in maybe. Follow the lead mentoring role. I mean Marcus by data's obviously the one that springs to mind cause we know that they have a really close. Pre existing relationship by is had a bit of a foray into coaching with switch Alina ups not. Not, a successful one but I still think for the right player, he has the potential to be. To be really good coach and he's such a laid back guy and easy to get along with again I think he could mesh with an existing. With an existing sets up. but it is going to be interesting how the sits pass the city. Posse. As Mary Carillo Cools how that. Evolves over time it's going to be really interesting We have a question from Ryan Lennon on twitter who are six. If you could change one Wimbledon tradition, what would it be and why Matt? Well. There are that I would want to change. I. Think one is the the wording of all white I think that's been a regression I think it was better when it was predominantly white and I think even allowing color I think would be better than what we currently have with the white for various reasons and. Secondly I would slightly restructure the tournament I think the only. Grand Slam, which doesn't make good enough use of the weekends I think that's that's when more people can watch and I think it's a shame that they only use three. Weekend days in tournament because they have the Sunday off I understand why they have to have the Sunday off I used to hate middle Sunday as a Fan I now incidentally love it. But obviously, they need preferably to have a day off. So the the grass can. Heal and be more pliable in the second week I understand they're sort of reasons for that. So I guess I would slightly restructure to maybe start on a Sunday. A bit like the show and I don't know what I sure. Wimbledon. Wouldn't want to do that. Probably start on Sunday play in a play a full week including the middle weekend Saturday and Sunday and have the day off on the Monday now, that would indicate manic Monday as a thing that would no longer be. A day that would happen all around falls on the same day because you'd have, you'd have time to fill them in over two days the other slams but. Again, my my view on that has probably changed as well. I used to absolutely love that day. Now I think I think I miss too much on that. That is too much great tennis on So those two I would do include more weekends and change the old white clothing policy. If the reason for middle Sunday is solely the healing loved loved that words Matt The gross. The spirituals and Schule sexual healing of the growth at Wimbledon. There are ways to do that and not miss a whole day. You have a rotation system if follow courts over the course of save the Friday to Monday can you could have a how many others you could have four four or five fallow quotes on each of those days ratings the each each court had one day of healing. Roughly Midway through three, the tournament and then. In terms of the spectator TV wise and mostly. Visit to wise you, you wouldn't miss that much and you would have a full two weeks tennis in full two weekends if tennis. A crop rotation system like in medieval agriculture. What could be more traditional? How do you feel about a day off though in a in the middle of a slam. selfishly, love it but. From the outside ludicrous. Do you think I if they could get away with it with the courts I would get rid of it now. Because, yeah, I would I would I I I feel like I agree I them the Monday is. A mess really although it's it's exciting. It's too much. It's too much all at once and you can't save. Enough for the moment and I wanna see that spread out a little bit more personally. and yet obviously, I love it from a working perspective but that's that's irrelevant. Really the the old white rule. I'm sort of nostalgic for some of the incredible designs of the eighties that ice and love on the added Hachette's in particular at Wimbledon, things that Edberg and lend lease to wear. Things that I wanted to which I'm quite sure I'd. Be that I about owning justin all whites. Branded just with a logo on it shirt of of Nidal Federa Murray whoever it is because. Pretty much. It's this anything you can do it. At the same time from. Perspective as a brand that's so strong just being. Old White I think is the biggest problem is. The. Is the the the lack of consideration for? Periods in that role. Is is definitely a an issue. But I think maybe that nostalgia I have for those predominantly old white designs of the is overlooks the the number of horace that we're all set accompanying. Lovely. Wonderful One offs that that I remember because there were so many polling designs. That it was no, it was no great. The the other thing I wanted to do is ask you you know that I still like queuing for instance, now that that things may change because of covid nineteen for the future now import sure it will have to change for say next year but. Just quickly, we'VE CATHERINE YOU and I've talked about this at some length in previous shows but would you? Yes Oh no ditch the kid. Yes I don't think it's fair ridiculous. Well. Yeah. I think it's it's an absolute. Tremendous work of PR and I don't I don't mean that is a slight really do think it's a tremendous woke of PR that the Q. Is this celebrated thing but I think actually. Once, he dig dig down into it. It's it's a little bit sinister. I don't think you should have to sleep rough. To obtain tickets to. To one of two one of the best and most important sporting events in the country I would also add to that Kids Day. I think kids day is essential and a no brainer Wimbledon it's the only. Grand Slam that doesn't have one I know why it doesn't have one snow in keeping with with the brand use of the gross in advance of the tournament starting. You know they don't hold the qualifying at Wimbledon but I think those are all things that can be worked around I think find solutions to these problems and have a kids day becuse closest to that. So they know and they. Ought. Kids activities on site just not. Big Fat, kids do we've see have seen an I hate the experience of being there but I've seen the power if these kids stays the look, the look in these kids is at the thinking tennis is just the coolest. And Yeah. I, think that's an old brainer. You mentioned there about the courts not being able to be used before the tournament starts that kind of thing. Well, I do think when they do have the land across. Across the road I think they can really get creative with it and I think they will all the elements of redesign of the Wimbledon grounds have been amazing over the last few years and I think once they've got that they've got so much more space. That's the thing. Wimbledon Lumberton has the luxury of options and and money to implement these options in and to do it well, and in keeping with the traditions because they have always. Nailed the embracing change whenever they've taken that step to make changes. In keeping with that tradition, they've always nailed it. So I would. I would trust them to to do all this right if they would just take the step of actually doing it and I also believe I pretty sure. I read something that they were considering relaxing the all white clothing policy this year. Obviously, it didn't women didn't happen but I'm not sure how far they will go with that but I think something to look out for next year that might be a subtle change. Yes. To me if it will one thing, it would be the white clothing policy. I feel very strongly about it I. I accept the IT'S A. It's an incredibly strong element of Wimbledon's brand. I don't deny that I'm sure they consider that to be of great value I don't really care. I think. I think it's extraordinary. That women are made to do physical activity in all white walls menstruating I think that's Unreal when you really break it down and. I think that rule in the first place. Would have been put into place by someone that's never menstruate rated and it's perpetuated by virtue of tradition. And this is. Again. It's a fantastic work of work of pr but I think it's unacceptable. Burleson okay. So that's about seven things. Each of us would change about Wimbledon, the question any asked for one, but you're welcome Ryan fewer you'll bonus balls there. What else do we have hair mccarter on twitter? US has the Trend Tribal Listrik Fan supportive players always been a thing or is it a relatively new phenomenon brought about by social media and how detrimental is it to the game? David you've recently. Not recently you have consistently. And repeatedly got on the wrong side of vehement twitter fan support of various tennis players. What's your take on this question? My favorite one was winning the same day I had notes from Djokovic. Federer, and the Dow fans telling me how polling the I treat their specific flight. I really enjoyed that one. There was a message on our instagram this week saying. I see Catherine is picked sits a pass to win Vienna in the newsletter. It's usually David that picks it to pass things I'm surprised that sits upon that Katherine who usually never picks it passes picks it surpassed and shame on Matt for never ever since. I, mean look I'm quite. A people used to support players and they used to be fantastic divides all of. I remember being very the Bulgar McEnroe fat I. Remember those years I remember in in in Australia in the ideas that I discovered the Australian. Open. The incredible suppose Suedes and the chanting that went on between rival support groups but. You just want. I. Just don't feel that unless you're in a tennis stadium, you went radio aware of of people's fandom. That's the difference. Yes, the I'm sure journalists got sent letters when they wrote about a player or something like that. But it's just this. This freedom of an opinion isn't it is freedom of of being say whatever you like whenever you lie on social media whenever it occurs to fire it off, make sure unless that blocked to make sure the person you're directing it towards rates IT and has it right in front of the face immediately And? It it just it just ends up self-perpetuating as a result of that. So I do feel like. The the tribal element in tennis certainly is Is largely a result of of social media I do feel I mean I think it's brought about initially by very strong ties to apply, of note, and these players have been around for a long time. So people have got enough time to build those real affiliations, stick with them, and then go at each other as a result. But the way that it kind of gets out of hand I think is a social media element and. I mean. I do feel I've wanted to remove myself from it compared to what I used to feel like i. it bothers me now much much more than it used to. Think. Passionate support is is a good thing is I wouldn't I wouldn't say it is. Detrimental to the game I think it's but I think it can easily tip from passionate support into abuse I think on Social Media I. The main issue I have with social media in tennis is the way that. which seen quite a lot applies be open about the messages they receive just just from. Losing a match that someone that then to win I mean that. The sport is doing something to to combat that into expose the people who do send those messages but. I think in terms of fan support on. Social Media I think one of the shames for me is. Any kind of discussion about federal dollars. Jackovitch ends up kind of PAS on from the other set of fan basis and that's a shame. I think it's weighed how that's happened. When you consider the actual people, they're supporting who have not conducted themselves like that. But I, think it says more about social media and it does. but it's interesting that you think it's bigger. Now, this this idea of fan support because of social media and I suppose that does make sense. May just be a perception thing though because I can see it, I can't you can turn a blind eye. But if you want to be involved in a conversation and comments about some about a tennis match, the tennis player, you've got to accept that you you You're out there to be piled on if. If you say something that is against. A, fan basis player. It can't just be -CEPTION, they can it because there are things that people say on social media that they simply. Wouldn't say in real life wouldn't have opportunity to because there'd be no one to listen to them. I wouldn't have. I don't I wouldn't have wouldn't have platform more all audience for. I. Mean I do think. I am instinctively uncomfortable with the Word Fan. Now, which I? Can't remember when that happened whether it's always been the case I don't remember it changing or feeling like to change changed but to me the word fan. Inherently means irrational and unreasonable support. You say there's a distinction now for me between passionate supporters someone I watch sport and passionately support. People and teams. But. There's a there's a difference in that unfunded, which for me employs something if the inrush irrational and the inability to be reasonable and kind of anybody that describes themselves as a fan, and this is probably unfair because there are plenty of people. That would describe themselves as a fine and mean it by I consider to be my old definition. David, as he described Borgen mcenery fans I kind of disregard the views on things if if they describe themselves as a fan because I think well, you WANNA applying reason logical rationality to what you're saying and I know that throwing the baby out with the bath water because there will be plenty if self-described fans. These things but but I, I am edgy about that. Word, are feel. On I feel like social media is a is a massive contributor to. My change in perception of that Word Yeah, we'll support I mean. For example. You you're. You're a fan of the football team on the and we'd all admit and understand that we're all completely irrational about the football teams that we support. That is found him and that is it is tribal football is tribal is inherently very tribal tennis hasn't. Always been. That way. But it does feel like it's It's become it. I feel like it's I feel sorry for people who Proper fans are fans and who are decent. In the way they carry themselves because this isn't the same thing. It's all. When I was a kid, there's something called football hooliganism. And they tried to hide under the name Fan and I used to to grants and feel. Awful as a kid when hooliganism was going on around and I remember seeing it now. This is. This is sometimes this. This becomes a virtual version of that and It really does bother me and it's not. It isn't fair on the the many listeners who are listening to the single I'm a fan I wouldn't do behave like that you know, and so you you must need a new word. I feel like the way we we ended up having hooligan to describe the people that carried out what was just violence not not supporting a team, but but bringing shame on that team and that's and that's what a lot of these people do I feel is they bring shame on the Playa? Connecting themselves with in order to dish out abuse. And they can find a sense of community and belonging in it. Because his you'll say something if that type on twitter and then immediately twenty five other people will pop up. To defend you. and. You'll feel a sense of belonging and validation I. think that's what you can get from to it. You can. You can find validation in your views no matter how unsavory or irrational whereas before you could just have your views in be knocking around in in your heads. Be You wouldn't have anyone to validate them and feel like they were worth shouting from the rooftops. So I do think I think things have changed. Yeah sadly. What a wonderful world. Okay we've got. We've got a couple of minutes left. Do you think we can cover off water the worst five-set matches you've had to sit through from? Chris as that time? I'm going we Kevin Anderson Against Jonas nerve. My. What was it two years ago? I think it was six, thousand, thirty, six minutes. It was twenty, six, twenty, four in the fifth. It was the match that brought about the fifth set tiebreak at Wimbledon for the first time and was basically announced by Tim on live television even though he couldn't officially do it. He knew it was going to have to happen all that it was coming and therefore he thought he'd get in there so that for every calm down, it's the match that pushed back Nidal Against Jackovitch so that they couldn't get the thing done in the nights that on the date was supposed to be played. It was called off at about eleven pm two-sets-to-one ended up carrying over to the next day causing the women's final to be not before and. I don't mean this as a as a as disrespect to Kevin Anderson and John is now who who played an excellent match, the way they play matches, but because of the styles that have put them against each other and it's a snore fest for the most part. We had Justin Gimelstob standing up for the whole match in the front row. The players box with his fist raised in the direction of John is ner and most people I. Know we're just hoping we would end now. That's that's not me just saying. Five cent tennis has no place anymore. But the worst thing you can ever have in five is a five set match where the players not playing well at the same time. that. That's when when I I chew now to be honest. What Detroit was to relive that much David. I who are. If, anything. Worse than that well. The caveat for me on that one is that I didn't watch it I was I was working with modern that year and I was I was on a shift I didn't have to watch that by the end I was kind of enjoying it just. Just because it reached that stage where how how upset can get and part of me does. Enjoy that But as I said, I didn't have to watch it and I think it was a bowl the worst one this recency biased. But the worst one for me is Karanja booster the other week the US? Open. Perfect example of playing well science I mean both buying badly at the same time. I would also add in on the recent bias front. Diego Schwartzman in Cameron. Nori that the US Open I was GONNA. Say Camera Nori in the first round the before. Which God the? One commentating on. Serena Sharapova was going on On the adm. Poor category speaking of twitter I do remember twitter being excellent during that. Very of Kunia booster match mentioned I tweeted from podcast account. What techniques have you found to make it through cranial booster verses? and. We had about ninety replies and. Some of them were just. Making memes, doing other things, answering emails, cleaning the kitchen mowing, the lawn. A string king buying online scrabble gone to bed. Turned it off. So. Oh, that's great were. Yeah. What a great nate to end on. We lose more questions. So we'll be doing more of these. And we'll be back on Monday. White me to talk about tennis We'll be wrapping up the Anna looking ahead to Paris. The HP. Masters. One thousand event happening there as we stand at the moment, we are expecting it still to happen. Despite the fact that. France Paris is going into pretty much full national lockdown this week. The understanding at the moment, and the latest we've heard is from Chris Clarry on twitter is that they think that sporting events still go ahead that they're waiting for the final specific, a green light from the government but the understanding at the moment is that the Paris Masters. will go ahead in behind closed doors obviously and in in very strange on certain circumstances. Such. As the world we're living in the situation in London in the UK extremely uncertain at the moment. We understand. The. HP Finals will go ahead regardless if the lockdown status. In the UK but anyway, enough of that misery. That's just keep making podcasts to to keep a mind. Shall We? Good idea. We have shoutouts. Who would we like to shout out t today? We have Chris. Camera. Very Chris, like Chris Kamara. No. Right. K. U.. Double. a. m. e. e. all. This one's better. A little bit like Chris Kamara, they have imagined being a bit like critics. 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The French Open Catch-Up with Joel & Kim: Quarterfinals - Schwartzman defeats Thiem in thriller; witek + Podoroska continue fairytale runs; Nadal in record late finish over Sinner; Kvitov + Kenin set semi showdown; Djokovic injury concerns in win

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The French Open Catch-Up with Joel & Kim: Quarterfinals - Schwartzman defeats Thiem in thriller; witek + Podoroska continue fairytale runs; Nadal in record late finish over Sinner; Kvitov + Kenin set semi showdown; Djokovic injury concerns in win

"Hello Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the passing shot tennis PODCAST BY FANS. I'm Joe I'm. And today we are catching up on all the quarterfinal action at the French. Open. Thank you. Kim Quantify knows done and dusted at Roland Garros over the last couple of days. Again, we've had some fantastic matches to sink all teeth into. I think we've got some great matches, the the Boarding Sa- great batches it. The the evening will say had some very kind of late finishes and Rafael on the Dow record setter across all of his career. While he said another record didn't he last night or should I say early morning I'm I'm just glad that we didn't have to record a costs off of that match. Joe Isn't because when the tennis is literally on. I'm having my breakfast like ten am these days when it starts on the on the coverage and then you know it was going on on on yesterday and. Now. It's finished at nine pm today. I feel quite like redundant i. D. Say. Used to paying all the time say and tomorrow you know we got the women's semi's it's it's starting to UK time. So I'm like, what am I going to do in the morning? Not. I mean that schedule yesterday. of He had that match carried over your ball of S.'s Collins and it meant five matches on chatree and as a result of that ad, the WTO Schwarzer Dot, which we will get into it a sack which lost five hours. To Yeah we had the latest finish ever garrels I. Think it was around one thirty A. M. local time. And which is incredible. Given does this. Is like the USA whether it's a day session I should a that might be the case in the future baby they literally sauce at today and it was like know the Stop Tennis. Great great if you're fat if you really. You really willing to put the. It said you could. You could have gone love bag for your buck. Will be session like ticketed one from next year Roland. Garros. So I guess this is just a taste of what we need to get used to especially for Russia because I'm sure he'll be put on these days night sessions coming say I mean they won't be and okay. But hopefully, it will be back in usual slot, but it still does get pretty chilly in Paris and. Jean evening say yeah, it was. It was interesting that we go to have have that for the first time and and perhaps it's fitting. It was twelve time champion the Caitlyn full but some yeah the reason that they will such I mean they were very ambitious in their scheduling with with five matches. You know when when I saw that on the APP that the day before I was thinking, there must be some mistake but a note went for and knowing arguably surely shorts team was gonna be a long one. I. Think that kind of always at five sets original labor and that is what we got over five hours long war of attrition between the two of them and in the end that was I think enough to to put team to bed ready because the fatigue that he's obviously been experiencing is getting stronger and stronger with each each round that he played her. Everything from from New York and The time in between and now hair he's just sort of caught up with him and. And Schwartzman was playing fantastically well so. He. He he deserved his victory as as he said in his post match. Interview on coal under occupation was should've really one in three or four sets. I mean, it was a it was a fantastic match like I was actually a website long was kind of like it was definitely a credit to suddenly best five-set tennis It was a real it was really gripping. It was kind of very topsy turvy. He didn't really know which way it was gonNA guy. When you know that was kind of story lines I, think developing through the matching tons of Swiss shorten every able was he going to be able to break through to his? First, semi final at Grand Slam was dome eighteen going to be able to overcome his five-set win against Chica gasoline in the in the full frowned and. Ultimately the answer to that was no, it was interesting is in his post-match press conference the way he described his. Physical exertions probably from that match before. But probably also over the lost, you know three four weeks say he said he was over the limit physically and. Schwartzman to his credit. He pushed him that limit because that match was really I mean I was just kind of following on. On. Live score and going into the sunset and we're relying cut it. We were ready for three hours in and I saw this is a real. This is a real treat for fans because this is proper I mean this was proper clay court stuff and Diego Schwartzman is really in a purple patch of his his career at the moment and an really it's it's very impressive. I mean the fact that. The. He lost her. He lost a Cam. Nori he was two. Cam Nori in round one lost in five sets. Picture of him on his balcony. In all thrashing one of the players sweets looking glum. And follow and yeah, I mean what a ton around you beats in the Lynn in Ryan and now he beats the parent to to Nadal. Roland Garros, and he's in his first semi final and. Yet it was it was great and then yeah I, think what was kind of touching about the match was kind of going into it they were talking about how? The friends of coal. Obviously this you know it was passive match and there's a rivalry that but. You could tell, I think at the end when they kind of embrace each cover the. The Team was. Team was almost con-. Happy in a way that you know his friend was able to kind of a in a weird way. beat him. Because He gave a test and Schwartzman overcome and And teams almost. You better you better on the day. Yeah. Exactly. I think that I was a brutal battle between the two of them. They were over bay very fair and sporting on court with each other, and you could tell that at the end in the national. Team said. It very sad that he lost it. You know he's still happy for his mate say and I think all things considering dominate team. You know if he decides always won the US Open call to the French but still playing really well, and I know having like a slump in the first week of of of this tournament I think he'd be happy generally speaking with with those ornaments you know I think. It's just like the mental focus that is needed a grand slam like a round off around with from the from from the USA into hair and. It's just I called even imagine you know how he's keys me manage to play say well and get to the quarter-finals Elaine I mean I think I was expecting him to crack maybe earlier I today but. Yeah old an excellent tournament team really unto lose someone playing. You know the the most inspired tennis career that's absolutely no shame in that whatsoever. I mean yeah? He you know like you said, he's he's breaking. Nemo. Stays he's got CI wins over top five players now. First Masters Fino in Ryan I, Grand Slam sending here, and he's going to be debuting in the top ten as well. I, I mean. He's Rafeh next. He knows he can beat rougher now because he did it a few weeks ago and And I mean that's GonNa be interesting. A lot of people will say, this is a Grand Slam. It's a whole different kettle of fish in a best of five but I mean Jay. Did show yesterday that he over five sets is. Strong and resilient and you know he's he's level was very, very solid I ever as five sets and you know he goes stronger as it as it went on. No team was his. Visibly tiring a lost that was really I. Think he had anything left in the tank. Yeah, it will be interesting. I still think over five says I think Schwartzman did show for me that was that was a bit of streaky. I felt like he definitely had patches is level wasn't. You know where he would have had to was particularly not second and sets out I. Think you know he said quite candidly, he missed a lot of opportunities missile of easy opportunities. To kind of take the match by the scruff of net but you know he he was able to kind of stick with it and really it will kind of. Pivotal not at full set tiebreak where he was able to to win it seven five and not that was kind of the moment I think that he he pro team and ill the table I felt was kind of wilting you know up until that point. Six Two He really was able to kind of just kind of. Seal the deal and. Yeah it was just it was funny because. His his obviously his diminutive stature. Auto. Tattoo score is not something we often say, yes we've have play his like I guess you know late and here is my the go-to example in times of. A player of a really, really good caliber not necessarily being a, you know a giant of the game. Certainly Schwartzman on on a clay. Cool. Obvious parallels and comparisons to David. Farrar in terms of. The. terrier-like attitude can bring to a tennis court. The oldest kind of makes up for. It makes up for not being. You know having a really big SF all. Agree big powerful groundstrokes ages is able to. Be a terrier absolutely across the cool and he probably. Dial. He posed problems for a dominate team here I mean he had dropped to sat coming into the team much any Chinese drops he's dropped to now, but he really is in the you know the full moves life and I think he's GonNa break the he's going to break the top ten. In terms of the rankings and yeah I mean it's GonNa be. It's GonNa. Be a fascinating contest with with no doubt but. Yeah I think there's like. That you little based because I kind of kind of got that that. Monica. and I. Wonder if I don't know if you agree with me or not. But I feel like Swanson's almost come on the new is the new David Friar on on the clay. Cole or is he liked the? You know he's got that sort of tendency I feel like just to. Be a nuisance. You know even though he's quite. Sure, he can really kind of caused pretty big problems. Like. We did that. Pose problems. Like Jira Albany which think. Often. Referred to us. And he he made a French and final and have E. Yeah. It's interesting to see how much this marathon match take out of. Choice but I know he would have had. Well two days in a bit to recover. So it's interesting up mentally and physically overseas in new territory, and although he's basing rougher recently you this is specified and you've got to expect him to be fating nerves and expectations expectation at this kind of situation. Yeah. It's GonNa. Be. Fascinating to see whether he can keep that fool up against rougher I. Mean I think he knows the tactics used strategically how to play. I'm beat referee now after after what happened in very but it's just whether he cannot execute a game plan and that's actually kind of what we saw with sinner last night is that he had the ideal of the tie, but it was just the execution of it that often was was failing you know he served for that I set. And Through errors I think in that game because he's he's he just you know obviously was thinking of the gravity of the situation you know seven for the festival against twelve time champion and Rafeh was able to break back go to the tiebreak, win the tiebreak, and then from there you kind of always felt like it was a formality. In a was three went off in that second set. But again, Rafeh break back and especially wants to go to the feds that you thought well as a matter of time before the end is nigh for an extended but he he did very well and he was I was very impressed with how calm he was on the cool how As he was. You know he doesn't show much. He's got a poker face out that which I quite a quite like that. He seemed very mature beyond his years and I. Do you think he will he will go fall because of that achieved. Yeah I mean not the Dallas in the match. Festival. I was surprised a went on the time. It dates. They would see I think given that was as you said I think it's interesting given that there were two is two days. To the men semifinals which are on the the Friday felt like they may be could've pushed it back to today but maybe they felt they were going to be in the. Same same situation with five. Matt's on five matches on chat trae bachelor in a West position with three men's matches, for example but. Yeah I mean I think what was interesting about the the Senate and the Dowell match and I think Schwartzman might be looking at is is that I sat because that I set for me was the set the Nidal really has been tested this tournament and He was putting this. Sin Cinema served for. And Yeah, he did he did freeze maybe quite literally because it was so code out that. He definitely caused problems from the Dell, and I think I think that was to do with you know who was opposite him in terms of sinner and The way he was playing just felt that his. The Palette he's able to generate office of Ground Straits. It was just kind of like it just hit through the really cold air. Juarez I. Think the the conditions deathly would not favorable to the Dow, they might have even been. You know he could them kind of dangerous and. Almost, like it's too cold, it's too cold to pay this weather. Sort of in his conference in his press match conference afterwards. But. It was quite obvious that Hayes. His classic we were expecting this. His sort of you know topspin forehand wasn't getting much bounce and ultimately it was just kind of ending up in the in in the sweet spot for for sinner. And you know if. If if that happens again against Schwartzman I mean if you will soon, again has the game of his life. He's going to be you know he's definitely going to because. Have more problems than sinner and. Yeah I think yeah I think Schwartzman will do well to look at the set and and kind of build a game plan from there. Yeah I was thinking last night I was in key Oh, did they give the players a choice in whether they stayed up and play this actual Y- they have moved it to the next day because I was just thinking these conditions it just Arinda Sarah's game. And I imagine that the organizes probably would just like. No you've got to go with them play however later isn't however cold so. I mean I would imagine that the semi and if the final as well should get a fall would be in the daytime it shouldn't be as cold. But who knows what might be under refit could be bickering sunshine we date now what's going to happen? But certainly, this is just adds a a totally different a dimension and challenged and she raphael kind of hold onto his his title really work with these conditions that yeah, like you said they. All I. Think the most Anti Nidal. Conditions. That he's had to play right in garrels and yeah. That's gonNA favor shorts save all the opponents really. Against Raffarin? I think he will be looking at. And it was almost able to do last night a I mean. I mean referees twenty, four, zero in the semifinals and finals at Right Garissa. He's never lost at this stage He's had some very close matches at this stage especially with drug coverage but. It's always like I think I think it was Jim. Courier in the commentary last night. He was saying that you know at one point wasn't playing Rafeh. He was just playing the reputation of Rafeh and I thought that up nicely because at this moment in time you know it's not just kind of the day in question and on the Mat on the other side of the eights older the history and the knowledge that you know this guy has never lost stage and. If that gets into Schwartzman's head that starts going to. Potentially be the deciding factor I can Friday April. I think you know he does have he does have hype and he has certainly a very good job given. You know what happened in that is the only time. He's Beijing rougher it was nine and a before the on their head Ted say. I'm quite worried as a ref say. I think. I mean we have been talking about the conditions. This is nothing. This is nothing new to. Talking about Nidal I think I've lost a couple of weeks but I think I think Schwartzman will. I think the fact that he beat in. In, Rome Rome we'll do it will do the world of getty will give him a lot of confidence. But at the same time I don't think he almost feel like he needs to shop the out of phase is bright and just kind of. Be Like right this is kind of kind of a completely different cast of the Fisher I'm praying Nidal. The. You're not right on gas the best of five. I need to I need to do what was being invested three and just kind of a that too. Yeah. kind of at the Grand Slam and if he's able to do that then you know who knows we could we could be in for an upset I. Mean we had so many this tournament. It would. Not. It would. It would not surprise me in the slightest but. I mean yeah I mean before we move onto the women came I mean if we do a a quick quick prediction quick pre preview of Nidal. Schwartzman semifinal. What are you thinking I'm still I'm still thinking the Dow but maybe I'm going to say. Yeah I'M GONNA say Nidal Nidal in five. I've got rougher. raffle winning in my collegue to set, which is just what I hate happens but. Yeah I think offer the referendum in five four. Today, it depends house on is on the day maybe. Yeah I. Yeah. I think for me I think the fact that Islam five and I feel like she was might have some fatigue from. The final. I mean, if she does get through and and it's an epic five-set five hour match with rougher I think then Schwartzman come the final would be destroyed and I think who have a his opponent would be the final would be. Feeding quite about that but. Yeah I, think I think Rafa will edge it. But. Yeah. Let's see. Let's talk about the women's tennis from yesterday Joe Because. Obviously we had three matches on Colin. That's why we'll see reference say with so late as well because they had the delayed collins an Ziebel match. Obviously Collins and we'll get onto her. She's then played her semi since then but quarter court. Sorry I'm I'm confused because we've had. Yes. Sorry coach final. Nadia Podolsk Anna leanest race leader. Yeah, they had. They were up in the first of the women's finals yesterday and I. Did Not, go the way I thought it would. But In. Hindsight is not the biggest surprise I suppose because Selena is as we have discussed one of those players that. JUST FAILS TO A. Big Win. Fails at this stage of the tournament to actually. Kind of progress and I mean normally she she comes up against Serie Saturday know or or someone who has a big game and kind of just gets the job done. But this time you would thought playing qualify ranked one hundred, thirty one in the world that she would be able to to come through that. But unfortunately. Fans that wasn't the wasn't the case I mean Puerto Rosco has I think made history becoming the first qualifier at the French Open to reach the semifinals which is. Absolutely incredible achievement. But yeah I mean. You saw that school light on paper you would. You would have I think you would have. You would have said that was that was very much a shot but actually if you watch the highlights, you can watch the match itself. Puerto Rosca was paying absolutely fantastic tennis I think. I saw I was reading her you know her record on clay the season. In two thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, two, and three across kind of. An ICS level she's obviously She's just momentum. She just knows how to win on the clay Cole and. Sang. A kind of a previous episode of just think that it doesn't when that's the case it almost doesn't matter what ranking. The player is opposite you and. She really does have this belief I think in that she can. She can go on and win the thing and. Yeah. I think fisa leaner on the other hand. I think maybe paid it bit too safe. You know I was Kinda going into this match wondering for me constituting or is a player who? You know sh she gets to the the Latins off the Grand Slam tournaments I think she's got to. Seven combined semi fund was a quarterfinals at Grand. Slam so far. But she always kind of comes unstuck and you know I think it's a question of is a before this I was kind of like that's because you know she's coming up against a really. High ranked player. He's playing really good tennis on the day is better than her but actually I'm wondering off to this performance whether yes, she has an issue in terms of bringing it bringing her best tennis out at the. At this level in a tournament because she really should have been. Doing a lot better than I. Think Losing Sixty, six four. In the final someone ranked one, hundred, thirty you in the world. Ready to. Everything yeah. Yeah. I was GONNA say I would have expected to. Take it to a third sach at least someone of her caliber. But I guess I just I was thinking Puerto Rico come into that be quite nervous Grand Slam gold final. This is a different kettle of fish than the second round, but she just didn't have that you know she she just played. So say well and whether she keeps up in the semi final I I'm not sure but. especially in a really does need to DC maybe bit more soul searching and and think about how she's going to. Avoid to becoming one of the maybe one of these days that you maybe ought to one Islam I never up she does. Because she's perfectly fine getting over the finish line and you know eat a up tournament and other events but she in that gave a category of. Being very good on the on the tool you she wanted in Strasbourg, for example. A when it does come to grips never quite able to put together a we. Leave maybe. Well I mean. I guess you could be it was neck in the sense. She might grab wadden towards the end of for on thing and everyone will be like Oh that's nice. But I don't think she's ever going to be like. Danger Woman in the draw unless she changes. Things I mean it was nice that Bodrov ski she has a she has a you know. She's very refreshing to watch. And I just think. What she's managed to do hair is. Unbelievable like who would have thought that? If all the names in the drawer, we normally you just kind of qualifiers and think, Oh, they'll be you know so and so so and say big name is going to be playing qualify you take really look into their. Like look into the mouse because you just expect them to to leave. So early and this is actually one thing that we never ever got the chance to have it the USA because they didn't have qualifying and I think it's quite ironic. Then the we get the the next. On. This kind of amazing Coho of qualifies gay deep in the tournament Nina Ross Gandhi Festival yeah I mean I it raises an interesting point because you know I don't know I. didn't have a listen. This thing is a is a good look for the WTO tour if you know the fact that a qualifier. Shawn Tech Luso unranked. Sorry unseeded even you're getting through to the semi finals I mean what does that say about the? The top twenty because. We've got. We're GONNA come onto kind of victory and cannon in the in the bottom half but. They're the only two that's left. From the top twenty everyone else is is outside of that and. You know. Do you have any issues with the the I guess. Qualifies making it this far because you know we would normally expect. I guess you know. If it was a really remarkable run to get to the second week. I. Think is a good kind of benchmark but. Beyond the fact that you know this is twenty twenty and. Lots of crazy and unpredictable things are happening. defined as a country, they're all kind of the four of the top twenty or do you think this is kind of a you know put Roscoe's paying skin. She might even be playing like a top twenty player at the moment. Yeah. I don't know if some people might look at it in different in kind of on a different song negative context. Yeah. I get what you mean but I just I do think this is very wage at the moment like we've just come from the hard court straight onto clay normally there's a whole period of like six or seven weeks and number of ornaments building up to this tournament where the top players will have honed. Crackle prowess a bit more and I think the fact there's no crowd as well i. think that's a massive factor that maybe we haven't talked about enough. Kim. You trying to say qualifiers this play in front of like well, yeah, and Dole go on. Tour whatever. Is Well, that's true and then therefore when they come into matches, they're not phase because there isn't a massive crowd and they didn't get that same sense of occasion to them. Maybe just another match. Okay. The stadiums bigger. Road and garrels some kind of event but. Lack of features event or whatever. But? It's I. Don't know I think that I think that's that has an influence as well but not forgetting there on the men's side we've had. Also. Qualifies getting kind of the fourth round and such like I I think because we've seen it there as well. I don't think it's necessarily to say that the women that. Is has has issues and the top players are not of deserving of that position because they're just kind of more inclined to to lose easy I. Think we know that's more depth on the WPA and that the ATP at the moment is a unique takes three. I mean know they're not all there as well. So yeah gas just the question. Is I think there are I think some people might look at it in a you know this is a fairytale. Fairytale story, great story, etc But again, if they're up people, we might be in King while hang on what was. Aware of the weather, top twenty ranked players 'cause Yeah. Because the other the other quarterfinal again was a quarterfinal that we could have not could not predictive sh- feeling tech versus Trevisani of Italy, a game trevor, another qualifier shown tech coming off of that remarkable witten. Shouldn't coming through this six, three, six, one backing up that. Backing up that victory. Over a Halla. I mean I didn't I didn't catch this match Kim but again I mean. Just looking like a I mean she's looking real deal. She. We all we we have in daughter as the favourite and it doesn't really seem to have made much difference. Because she she kind of she kind of pasta off Trebizond with we've relative ease. She she had a slot nervy start the march trevor someone upper break. But after that point yeah. She just kind of. Let loose and off she went and never looked back ready. She knew that she wasn't gonNA play. What does she play had paid against how? Think that was a real exceptional performance even for her son is but. She got the. Essentially again, another very dominant set school. Being one player even got four games against her in a set and I think that was see way Shea in the second round. If you look at her school, it's agenda Jennifer Brady Apron she was just kind of annihilating people and. Whereas in this case, she didn't she wasn't in the semifinal will be the favor unlike brady he he came up against Salka. I mean yeah, it's. It's really like Sh-. She's she's just having the four day of nights of her life because she's in the semis of the women's doubles as well with Nicole. Medicare. And I think actually that's probably helped because. You own days off she can fake something else. She's obviously. Still still playing and getting practicing, but she's Building an awkward. Chopping up other skills, the nets and suchlike and I think she's learned a lot from Medicare. So he's very experienced in doubles player and I think that's That's coming into singles game as well. So. I think tactically that's helping her I think helping to relax her. And I think say focused she's so young. She's only like nineteen, but she's just seeming to. Kind of be doing all and take it in stride and I throw actually quite interesting because a journalists I think have been talking about this the fact that. She has been kind of receiving the same. I didn't a preferential treatment that perhaps some other younger upcoming players have been getting with regards to wildcards into like level events. The likes of Golf, for example, because of. Everything surrounding her she. She's GonNa base. It'd be guaranteed a wall called. For example, you know just to kind of pick her but. Has Not. Had that kind of same good fortune. She's hot to really grow often work away three kind of qualifying for all these events I now ranking is. High enough. But before that, she really had to just dig deep into on her own and I think she saying that's really helped. kind of with her kind of fortitude and strength and. And just developing her abilities on call. Both mentally and physically but. I think that's all coming together now for really and she's in such a you know if she was coming up again. Serena Williams or soccer or something you know you might think otherwise but against Puerto Scott, you know she is the. Sri On tech is the overwhelming favourite really in that match considering her tournaments hole and. I just. Yeah. I have to give her the edge if we're if we're looking ahead to that. I think Puerto Rico we'll play well but I just think she wouldn't have enough I think she won't be too dominant tomorrow her but I mean regardless for on amazing to go safe all. But yeah I called and say it being anyone Bucks Buckfield really tomorrow. Again I think sean tax playing a level of tennis that not many. Places are able to live with at the moment and I don't think date thinks she's GonNa suffer. Any sort nerves don't think in the. Against Puerto. ROSCA. Could be wrong but yeah I'm I'm predicting I'm thinking straight sets victory for Sheffield in not Just, kind of before we hit an outbreak very quickly We did have some breaking news actually from yesterday, which did cause a couple of off browse being raised around some betting and some physically I'm betting regularities. Some suggestions of match-fixing in one of the ladies doubles matches I think in the first round. It was between a Romanian Pat Andre Metoo and Patricia Marie. Against Yana CICADA and Madison Bring Goal say I mean again, some controversies being some controversies being dealt with By cut very little girl said. That match in particular. You know people can kind of. People income such on Google if they want to have a look into what was. Being accused at, but essentially lots of money being back on a on A. One of the players come service games and. Yet. Just another the element of. Just enough element of controversy being brought to the brought to reynolds garrisons if we haven't had enough of it so far but. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean I find it bizarre ending about sports betting nor could ally I probably will never want to get involved in a lot better. It's the people own just somewhat just one game or serve being brokered on all I mean. He who decides that that's going to be a thing I know I'm I'm very nervous tool that Bush yeah. I hate they look into the and get bottom of it and whoever is. Responsible. Let's turf them out of the sport because we don't want them. We want Joe. But yes let's not break and then we'll be chasing through all of today's play saying see you in a moment. 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Waiting to see what was he would be in this match foodwise or if there will be a double bounce. Petra Petra did enough through and she is now into the second semifinal, the friendship and of her career she hasn't been in this position since two thousand, twelve annonay she's a very different player. Now is to as to how she was at age Sou- which more mature she's been through a lot. especially, that knife attack say this is a very emotional. Achievement, for her to reach and. And Yeah I. It was pleased that she came through I mean no offense against Zeke -ment she's done remarkably well, she's she's the oldest first time grandson called finalist since I think I forget the name but since someone did in the seventies so she's got to be very proud of her. Head tournament better. Yes. Sir again she hasn't dropped a set either joe say. I don how you fancy her chances in the semifinal against Kenan I mean Oh. My God we've two seeded players playing each other in the women's rule. That hasn't happened off because. I think it's early the full time this tournament which feels quite remarkable really that we've had a seed versus seed Mash, the other three were. The anisimov over Sicily versus Alexandra and Sabah Lenka Vesey is you'll? So that's quite remarkable itself but yeah I mean. I think it was the Sri School Line I? Mean I think the. Dad, that was easy. I think she had a little bit of a wobble in the in the second set but I think yeah, she shared. So of temperament on the on the tennis court end. Yeah I mean I think a people I think if if people kind of ruled by that by their hearts I think they would You know they would back Patrick I. Think there's a lot of sort of you know given the given historian to. What she's been through. Everyone is willing heroin sort of. As a rancor. Sort of about willing them to you know get get another Grand Slam, add another Grand Slam to the tally that will not be an easy thing to do particularly. A semifinal against Safiya Kenan canning came through. Danielle Collins in in three sets six, four, four, six, six, love I mean. This match between Kevin and Collins was just full on like. The amount of Commons I, think I heard. especially with no. And also Collins Collins Shriek four ruled I think in the I think is in the set it was almost kind of as spitting, but it was really. Yeah it was a really. Pretty Feisty and. Classic to Americans on a on a clay-court, which I mean is is sort of surprising itself if you think about it but Yeah I mean Ken in. Can I think Kenan has looked really good and it's again verdy. Surprising to think that you know Kenan who's the Australian Open champion. If we can have three grand slams she she could be in a situation where she holds two of the three of them. which is which would be remarkable. talked about versus cannon. I probably give the slight Kenan just think she just has this steel steel about her the whenever whatever situation she finds herself in she's able to come through. I know she's had a lot of. Few three-set kind of wins along the way in this tournament, and I just think that's of Batu hardness. I help her against Kavita who's I think may be had they have an easy ride so far. But I think against Kenan I think Kenan might be able to. I think she might be able to negate the you know the Kavita for power a and potentially come through that in in three sets. Yeah I feel that Kenan has had A. Harder opponents and yeah she's I think she only had one match that was straight sets in the third-round. Convicted for she had layla any Fernandez in the third round was down in that first set. So he had to fight back in but I filled that when the chips it out, I would rely on Kenan coming. She's had to do that throughout this whole tournament says she's ready re she's ready for another bath w one in the semifinal wooden. Yeah she's just she's great. Isn't she producing it when she when she needs to and having that kind of itchiness to to get through over the finish line and I, day today in the third set against Daniel. Collins Collins was struggling with an abdominal injury chance get treatment at it quickly ran away from her. Bagel in that law set but I I I think has the edge against Kavita. It's it's wait they because he competes for one court tournaments. Kenan hasn't even been in the fine over clay-court event before and we know that she had lost a has a rendering rame so I think she's done saying well, let's see. I guess put that out. If I, mind let face a you know that sort of thing. Oh, I've just been double bay good on clay I'm not okay. Called player. How could I play on the surface? He hasn't let at her I mean in a weird way I think that's almost kind of help her almost set the set the reset button and had potentially helped her This tournament because she could literally come into this talk with no no expectation on her. You know no Yeah. No is on high pressure and yeah she's just come out swinging and yes, she paid a you know she's paid really well, she's a she's a fighter on a tennis court and I think it's I sat his movement I think really kind ensures that she's a real lot on her day can be a real harmful to operate. And as she can use that movement to. Nullify the power of Kavita. Yet I mean for me I think that potentially is what might happen. and. Can could could come could come through and EEK through that semifinal? I mean just just talking about Collins because. I mean co watching this match. You feel that she was disadvantage spotify the she played. Too Much I mean she had a three sets against your. A. I'm not not necessarily in terms of kind of like. Maybe, just your back to back three-set matches. Is Standard for the you know. The WTO Title I just think more may be potentially in terms of being in unknown territory gang deep into tournament going from. Four to find those whether that. Maybe that was extra. Maybe emotional. Mental kind of toll that may be kind of. Calling at disadvantage when she was. Stepping onto co again, this Kenan obviously had an extra night to to think about things. Yeah. I think that long delay was ill knee Monday when collins and you would have been hanging around and then they didn't get that much hats come back I. think that would have taken a bit of a toe and then oversee out shaved collins at one. She would have been playing three days on the trot which, yes. Enormous Wti a all that that's normal for slam it's not. Yet paps preparation for this much wasn't enough as it should have been better. Like she did really well, I've been the star of the toolman. I wouldn't have necessarily said she was going to be in the. Perhaps. Partnership with Migros is paying off. I. Still think that's quite interesting partnership although our mercury did you get quite worked up on the court said perhaps say they see each other I have to say when Daniel is. A. Rendition but come on. I just laugh I. Some of our opponents might find it annoying or kind of stressful but I just think. She's just say interest in your page so. I think she must be one of the most in your face players. I. W. I definitely can see her kind of you know rubbing up players the wrong way he kind of get. From what I was kind of reading off the, you know the preview between. Kennedy and Collins I think they're actually quite good friends off the court. So I think it was a bit. I think it's. Always a with a collins is just to get her head going isn't it? Really I? Think that Collins Sharapova would be quite Frosty. That's going to happen but I didn't know it was felt that he. Was One of those players that perhaps. Never really gelled with other players on the tour on the circuit and I feel that call ins I didn't know how. How how did it? How she gets on with with other players? I got the impression that she sort of because she say edgy or praise my turn away but I ain't no I'm not sure I. I take really I. Don't know anything about her to lie in terms of a help us to call. It just makes me laugh you know how she how she behaves on the court say fair-play her she's had a good tournament. All nations had that big win a Moog Aretha say She's played Paul. She's she's got rid of one of our favorites Joe. Like a week at Hof saying, yeah. CB CB own Hallam as rain mcgary, third, and very rolling. I mean the I mean we, I, mean we just we just be fact we've got. We've got seated oppositions, seeds seeds against each other in the in the savvy fun. I guess it's not the seeds we were. We were potentially expecting. But? Yeah. It certainly should be it should certainly I think should be a very feisty feisty match and look forward to seeing how that develops but that's kind of finish on the two men's matches from. Starting with Stephon CISA pass thus is under rube live. Now, this was the Hamburg final. Two Sundays ago. And we're expecting a you know I think I quite myself. I was expecting a bit of a Ding Dong. Said Very. In you know in a Nicole final with semifinal semifinal spot on the line but those that did that did not happen and even though. I think started quite well in this match surpassed really I he was really on it and just kind of ran away with it and. I think he's not a yes. He what he dropped the first two sets of the tournament but but since then he's won every single set since and he he's on the roll at the moment. Yes. I mean the first set was was closed. That was a Ding Dong I space. I feel like rip left serve. A mini don't eating dome. Best, came back from five three down to Kim, seven, five and. The next day sets off. That were sort of dominant ready for sits bus. He he really was able to control and of dictate everything from then on his tactically he had it down to watch how to to beat rip left fairly comfortably and shame because I was actually hoping the. EPIC FIVE-SET SIR. And it's passes is deservedly into semifinals at all over of. Collector sets participants will have got back. Correct. I mean overseas it's best could could go further but Yeah he he's into the second semifinal of his career because he reached the AMA's lost year. It believe I mean he just he just looks at the moment like his a very I think he's matured by his gay. I'd like specifically I think his game has matured and he looks more of a a complete player. I'd say which is you know is fantastic for know somebody's any twenty, two years of. Year twenty two years old. If you compare compare him to live his similar similar. So of nothing is actually the same age as a pass and. I think I think needs to still he still developing his game of insists passes. I think show today he's a step above the Assad thing route on the is on the right path and. We respect him before about re avenue fiery player on call enough. I've witness with the person that the the US Open but. He is again another thing I think he was maturing and I think he's he does still need I think to add so of you know components to his game and I think I think what was really kind of Helps CISA pass so easy victory. Was I think he was kind of focusing specifically on the Double handed backhand. So that might be an area rebe left needs to you know to to work on. The fact that I can go out and call. and if he's not going his way to begin with, he can numerous kind of wacky out. You know he has the ability now when to have that twenty, two years of age is a really you know it's a really useful asset to have. Particularly what you coming up against someone like they've Chuck Vich decks. Yes because we saw in the George Mattress evening, that Jovic he seemed to be struggling with a pivot injury to his net, go his left a like tricep will bicep. He received some treatment he seemed to be. Pain. Especially at the start of the match it was quite it was affecting his back and he serve at the beginning so although he seemed to improve much on. The jobs on and against Great Apis Four sets in the end and create episode is challenge says throughout these days cut remaining sets and was never quite able to capsulize i. thought he should have done a better knowing that joke ritual struggling on the other end but I think in my mind. Come through but if there is a lingering injury. is sits surpass Guetta Dec- sense, move a chance. Is He. GonNa. I mean because before this I would have said no joke of it's just going to win comfortably but I'd today this injury might might be. Giving sits fast food for thought shall we say? I'm kind of giving us more hope than perhaps I would've done beforehand but I really do know how how, how much this injury will affect th. We have seen this from him before where he seemingly had something and it's I do day have not been that much issue in the so. I think sits fashion fakes on that because I think after that your inner, the opponent of the injured players could actually be thrown off their game because just focusing on that say I guess he's just kind of go to gay with with a game plan regardless of what was going on down the other end I? Think if there is one player who is able who's playing a game right now this it will be able to exploit. Weakness. Jovic may or may not have in a semi final than. Certainly, I think suspense is probably in the in the best position to that because said he's been playing he's been playing great tennis you know he dates. Erupted that wrong from the you know the Hamburg. Final wet in some people come saying he choked gets Beth in Hamburg. He's righted that role and now he's in now he's show. Novak Djokovic paying a really really really good tennis and. Yet it will be interesting to see I mean the fact that Novak Djokovic was paying credit. This was quite Funny decides the. I think the I sat for example. Your credit was very very similar situation. Didn't have the Charles to serve out the set because they've took rich devoted while he got the charts this side route and was able was able to do so But yeah, it will be. Yeah there will be I. Think. That will be an element of a thing that will be an element of concern around. The health of I don't know it feels like you know maybe this is you know been with him. I mean we've really seen it to be honest like the. Last ten days or so. But yeah I definitely think the CISA pass could be in a position where he could potentially a triumph from it but we will know that is such a mentally strong. Physically, strong player. He's able to kind of play with these sorts of nagging. Doubts and still play still play lights out tennis. Yeah exactly I mean I didn't surprise that. Got Said said to be honest. Just. Especially, I don't know I thought about my if wants to prove something off to USA from, but anyway, he came through the end. On, we've got you know he's into seventies as as expected and perhaps as it's snow about was. The way expected completely different to the the women's auto things able to. Yeah, I. Joke Rich. Unless his injury is actually quite. Person in the same as I I would still expect him to to get the job. I. Mean I saw to beg and some really I mean we saw sits in the semi final before against Rafa the A oh. Last year on e. kind of completely playing away and I think that will happen again I didn't think it will be that school I'm but. I know I'm still not one hundred percent convinced by. Yet. The deep stages I I still think he's got some workday but. As yes I, basically, we're probably reference vinyl but. Hey I stay when a protected anymore. Unless. You're going to. Say I was just going to say well, I think is going to be. Passed by retirement. One so Object. Things. I do think so I think I do think this will give him a good run for his money. I'm going to say. I'm voting say surpass in fine. We've probably know I probably would still Novak Djokovic and for. Bought at the same time. I think I think is really a really, really good game. Imagine if we had a Schwartzman sits surpass final my word Oh. Oh, would that be. But not necessarily either I think as a new true fan that would be quite exciting but. There are some people who want the big three to carry on and others like no it was sick of them. Say It depends Autrey Bait really but I'm let's kind of bring to bring this episode claims Joe Squared on the doubles. Semifinals lined up for the men's and women's doubles say as we mentioned earlier field techs in the semi finals of the women's doubles, she's playing with Nicole medical though we playing. Alexa. GERACI end disarray crush ICK core. I'm really sorry I probably murdering not name. But on the other side to bobble similar. And critic Senac of say. I would expect the winds come from that. But yeah, she won't take some such a role who knows and then as we go cabal and the top seeds against poverty and Suarez USA champions and then cooled off metric years, they've find less against your favorites Kravitz. Champions. Yes Oh. Oh to play for in the doubles. Wheelchair events going on as well. So just few nights on the bridge I'm Wallaf stay to actually another of your favorite show dd degree. In the finals of the which. Is is degree playing with Vancouver. Say. Wheelchair doubles. Alfie here at one today. In the finals against today say he's playing Gustavo Fernandez tomorrow in the semi and then. Alpha hearing and golden rage. They also means the double say. We have some Brits, Stoke going strong in event. And Yeah Joe just as well. Again correct to say that still going on as well, and despite smugness for me, I go dominate team bright for the qualifying. The I've ever go. Right. Pretty Much I. WanNa writer say correct and at peanuts. Say. Yeah I think everyone else the the rest of the results kind of we're just waiting on what's going to happen in the semi's within doll and sits pass. I think I think the only this on for four correct answers is Michael. Acts absolute winners say he could be the winner. Face while we shall see, we shall say who also lots of play for collect set there's also lots painful at the French Open with now getting into gang into the business end of the toilet with cliff savvy fine was from from heroin in. 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US OPEN 2020 Are you in? Pro Players List Rankings Discussion USTA Tennis Bubble

TennisPAL Chronicles

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US OPEN 2020 Are you in? Pro Players List Rankings Discussion USTA Tennis Bubble

"Style. Thing under The school, you don't have to be better than everyone else in the draw a lot on the court. You have to be better than someone that's been. Active. In his sense, you know go out there this sports I think it always makes it feel better maybe more tied in very moment but actually the recipe feels better then I think giving back as well. You know making other people happy is going to give you a good feeling to. Welcome to tennis cow chronicles the podcast to feed your passion for all things tennis. This podcast is sponsored by tennis Powell. Tennis. Pal for iphone and android is an APP for anything tennis. It connects you with other players and coaches to chat schedule playtime and share moments with download the APP today at Tennis Powell Dot com I everybody I'm Phillip Cam also known as the tennis pro for the historic Langham Huntington Hotel in sunny seven. California and it's a joy to have my co host back in the hotseat again. Welcome back Valerie Garcia. How Hot Yeah, and it really is hot in our seats. These days isn't it I mean how are you handling the heat stay indoors lots of air conditioning, right? Yes. Have you been hit at all by the rolling electricity blackouts that we've been having? No thankfully. So yes. Yes. You what about you? We haven't been hit, but I've seen it on nextdoor dot com in our neighborhood people are saying, oh we just had a blackout that kind of thing for those of you that don't know here in southern California, we have had record one, hundred degree weather. In the last couple of days and almost two weeks now. High degree weather, which is about thirty eight degrees, Celsius I think for our international listeners so very hot and unfortunately were in the wildfire season again, and it just feels like we have wildfires every year. Now that just doesn't seem right you know. Yeah. I have friends in the valley in southern California where it's on fire and there's there was a lot local to you and I in Zuza and some in Riverside I believe and then northern cal where my sister lives. There just on fire everywhere up there. Yeah. That fire looks really bad. That's about six to eight hours away from us where we are but the fires that Valerie just talked about it in a zoo. So that's actually where my tennis program is. It's on hold right now obviously because of covert. But yes, we would definitely have seen ash coming in over the courts from those fires because that's really in our backyard. Yeah, so best wishes to everybody who's struggling through all of that in southern California and and dealing with all the heat, which means a lot less tennis on the tennis courts I. Think a lot of people have been taking your break. So I've seen in attendance drop in the local courts at least just as far as people showing up in the heat. Too. Much, right. Yeah. For most people I know you and I are Sun Lovers. So we'll we tend to go out there and brave the heat Yup Yup. We're Lizard. It's nice for people like us who have open courts in the middle of the day. Exactly, we really enjoyed the heat, and so I I actually don't mind playing it like twelve one to when it's completely empty. So that's great or I'll bring out the ball machine. You know work on the back backhand did you get a ball machine? Philip I've had one for about two years? Yeah but. Yeah but it says cheapie small one that I really enjoy and it works fine. I actually converted it from battery to AC of because the courts where I hit, they actually have electricity from the public park. So I can actually plug it in because before if I had a battery, it would only last twenty thirty minutes and then it would die you know how those batteries always die. So it's nice to have a plug in for that. Yeah that's cool. What what brand is yours no. No. So that little box, the little black box he sat down on the floor I'll have to show it to you next time I. See it. I'll put a picture up on our. Well actually I think there's a picture on our on my website loves that match dot net if you go to. Tennis lessons paid for you'll see the picture of a ball machine there too. Cool. I know they were they were promoting one on the racket. PODCAST. That supposedly like awesome and I was like man if only. You know I already have one but it's old and like you said, my battery is is like I don't think it's like twelve or thirteen years old right. So the battery have to fully charge for eight hours just to get like forty five minutes. To an hour exact. It usually, I can't last that long anyway. I of all machine. Kreis. It's pretty brutal but Yeah. It would be nice to have a new one. I think Nice, Freshman I'm glad you have one. Yeah. I think really important in the covert era you know where you have to be social descent. So sometimes you know you just can't play enough tennis. So you got to pull out the ball machine which I have done quite often in this time all some well, that's good. Your game won't suffer. It's it's definitely suffered. Suffer more in the fitness is you know I was really hoping that I would be a lot more fit through all this downtime I would spend all my time exercising and building those that six pack and you know, of course. Ultimate Fail on all that stuff you know. But I know you've got a lot done around your house and painted Your House and I'm sure you're doing. He like cleaned all your your your tools in your garage. So you know being productive home. Depot has all my money. All the kittens of southern California have all my money. I cannot believe the cutest pictures you're posting I. Love that one all the kits ends with Star Wars names. So that was hilarious Oh. Yes. Yes. That's my I have ten right now ted Kitin search my gosh it's GonNa have to call you. Valerie. Kitty that works. On the crazy cat lady now. So Fun. Well, I don't know how to transition into our giveaway with from kittens. giveaway it's called federal not kitty ask how's that FEDOR s you know the first elegant coffee table book it's so beautiful and we started to give way on last podcast and we're GONNA end it in this next month. So please make sure that you enter a to enter all you have to do subscribe to our Youtube. Channel which is at loves that match tennis on. Youtube and just send me an email that Let me know your youtube profile. Even if you've already subscribe to our Youtube Channel in the past, that's fine just send me an email will enter the dry. I've got quite a few entries valley. So I'm very excited to choose someone to win this beautiful beautiful book and thank you so much to the wonderful people behind. Who created this book and are doing this give with us they're gonNA mail it directly to the winner sweet and I That's a great book and whoever wins it's going to be very lucky. They won't be disappointed. Yeah. It's it's a treasure to ask. So I I, really enjoy it and M- of course my hope is someday I'll get to see Roger Federer again, you know I was at Indian Wells I would take the book and get it signed. But hopefully, maybe next year we'll fingers crossed right Yeah let's hope Nicholas are rough. Reporter was just asking me if he's been getting the emails from. Indian wells saying tickets are available. Now have you been getting those emails? Yeah. For Twenty Twenty, one yeah, I saw that. It's interesting. It's like. Well, it's Kinda hard to plan like. Do we buy them and then just get a refund again right They're GONNA have it. Are they going to have it with no fans. You know like rights it's hard. It's so hard to tell what's going to happen to. Indian. Wells bubble. Yes. Well I mean. That is a great segue into the US Open because I cannot believe that the US Open is just one week away now and they're going for it. You know last podcast we were saying. Shouldn't they be canceling? I wouldn't it be prudent thing I mean at this point, there's no turning back right I mean they are full steam ahead they're going for it and in this podcast later people please stay tuned for Rich Nar who's going to talk about some of his in-depth views on what's happening with the USDA and with the US Open he's had great discussions with the president of the the the national president of the US. So. He has a lot more insight into what's happening there and his newsletter somethings I highly recommend Tennis Club Business News. So you can check that out what do you think Valerie give us an update on what you know with players and where we are going into the US Open. Yes well. First of all I can't wait to hear that interview. After we go over this it's probably going to have so much insight to have a tennis insider were such outsiders were such fans you know. Who just study whatever we could find we don't have our press passes yet. But one day we will one day day. So the US Open well I will just preface to say the US Open for those who don't know is going to be held at the in flushing were normally is Billie Jean King Center Currently, they are having the Cincinnati Masters One thousand, which is the western and southern financial open I'm actually watching it on TV right now, Sloan Stevens, wait how are you watching it? WHO's broadcasting it? Tennis Channel. Oh Wow. Yeah I just watched John is ner win and now I'm watching Sloan Stevens she's down a set, but she looks good on serving the second. Oh my gosh I thought great. There's no spectators. So that's kind of weird and then when they make the announcements like the chair umpire, it's kind of like who were they announcing to like? It's definitely you know it's strange but you know when we were watching all those exhibitions and the camera angles, kind of you know just were less than par for us It's at least nice to have all the big money at a tournament have all the great camera angles were used to. So you're getting to see tennis the way you really want to write without the noise offense. So it's not like the gopro stuff that was happening behind the scenes, top three hundred people, and then just one little gopro kind of thing happening. Exactly. Exactly. It's great cameras the we're used to But. Yeah. So the western southern is happening they're actually playing at the same place that the US Open will be played, which is the Billie, Jean King Center in New York. However, I think they're only playing on outer courts. Court ten court seventeen and a few others I don't actually know. But I'm assuming that they're doing that to give a different feel and that when the US Open starts, they'll play on the bigger stadiums at least different stadiums. To make it seem like a different tournament even though I I know that they try to make all the courts on one location as similar as possible At, their level of professionalism they can tell the difference between each court you know The minor little the subtle differences and the size of the court also. Makes a big difference how much room you have to run around but going onto the US Open I will try and list out in somewhat of A. Systematic order to keep it easy. I'll start with the women ladies first. So let me ask you a question. So the the reason that they're all playing on the USDA campus is that because they're trying to create the bubble the tennis bubble to keep everybody safe I believe. So I believe that yeah. They did not want to have people everyone going to Cincinnati and then everyone traveling a week later. Right, because the finals going to be this weekend and then the US Open starts like a day after the final right and it's so interesting because I think that's really the only way that sports is moving forward right now I heard this wonderful podcast from the New York Times about the NBA and the bubble that they had to create the actually you know, chose Walt Disney world created a bubble and it's like two million dollars to test every player they're. Actually tested, getting tested daily on the NBA side they had to task and then wait eight hours. Then test again, just to be in let into the bubble and then all of these players are being tested every day. So you know millions of dollars being spent to create this bubble so that people could go and play basketball safely because I mean, how do you play basketball? You're like in each other's face you're sweating you know it's just crazy, right? contact. All kinds of fluids going everywhere. You know that's just crazy and so at least tennis outdoors, it's pretty distance. It's easy to keep your distance. Does the US have two million dollars to spend on just creating that bubble and keeping everybody safe and then? Will the tennis players you know adhere to all of the regulations right? That's the big question. Right, I did hear on the other podcast that one so far leading up to the western open that There was one coach trainer who tested positive with Kovic, and so it's one of the trainers for one of the doubles teams, and so because of that that doubles team obviously is out of the Cincinnati and has to wait now to see if they will get back in to the US Open. So that's huge right? I mean once you test positive you're out that's that's the end of your play. There's no coming back because you'll have to wait at least twelve days, which is the whole tournament, right? Yeah. Yeah and I actually I think there was two more from South America to more players that are not going to be allowed to play because their trainers tested positive and there's just not enough time to quarantine and test and be on the drawl right Well, I don't I don't remember their names they were lower ranked players but. Yeah, it's unfortunate and I just read today that key Nishikori tested positive for a second time for a second time I saw that. It's it's questionable whether or not he will. Test positive in time to play. but it's kind of I think at this point, it's. More, likely than not that he won't play. Right, because I mean is he even if see in New York already That I do not know because if he's not in New York, there's no way he's GonNa make it how how will you travel tested positive? There's no way. Yeah. Exactly and then, and then once he gets into New York, you'll have to quarantine for twelve days. So unless he's he already it's too late there's no way. Yeah. Well. We'll see. So shall I shall I enlightened with my list please yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt but I was just thinking out loud about how hard this situation is you know and and how strange it is that these sports entities like basketball or tennis. These people are going to be tested every day right to make sure that everybody's safe and not only all the players but all the staff, all the servers, everybody who's involved in this trainers physios, and you know a lot of places in the US, we can't even get a tests. So it's it's a it's a little weird you know. For sure. But yeah please update us tell us what's going on. Awesome. So I'm going to start with the women and all that you know who some big names that are in we got Serena. Miss Serena. Williams that's a big deal I. Think Right is this a good chance for her to get number twenty four prob- probably a great chance right And then as it kind of weird as well because she has those health pre existing health conditions with her pulmonary embolism and such. That you know were life threatening when she was giving birth So it's just kind of interesting that she chose to play I, guess, she must really believe that they've made. The tournament safe we have cocoa gov shelby playing Sloan, Stevens Sophia Kenan and those are some of our big name Americans. We have a Johanna Konta. And your girl Goba is playing and Oh some the Czech Republic. Yes and Soko will be playing as well. So those are some of the big names that we can count on seeing and then There's a there's a lot of people who are in I. I'm not going to obviously read the entire drawl and there's a lot of people who are out but I'm trying to just name. The bigger names people are going to recognize And also probably more. So leaning towards having some sort of like being the favorites in the draw although it's very hard to say, there's any favorites given the training conditions that everyone is going through right it's like never. Before seen training conditions and everyone, there's a lot of actually articles I found when looking for this information that was on players either complaining or just. Just sharing their feelings about How the training is not. Fair quote unquote you know a lot of people some people who don't have a lot of money or access to. Went months without being able to play. Tennis So any who what we'll see what that holds in terms of favorites hold up or not But so who's out my girl? Petkevich, she's out not that she's relevant but I love me some petkevich she so great because so silly she's and she's such a character, right? In our sport. Yeah. Love her. And then some big names and and former Grand Slam champions. A HALLA PAL UP is out. Big. Yeah. That that is big. Not as a surprising since she did didn't play in South America when the Zico thing was going on. So I wasn't surprised that. She chose to skip this Belinda bench is out Defending, champion. Is Out, but she actually has an astro. She's out just because she's injured she may have chose not to play anyway but regardless, we won't know because she. I think. Is it her hip or ankle? Do you know what she hurt I can't reveal. Yeah she's hurt again. That's the point and which is unfortunate because she was a rising star and having such a great start the year. Super talented wow. Ball skills her her high forehand dropshot. Crazy, oh. Yeah. Love watching her plan so sad that she's hurt. Former US Open champ champion us, Bet Lana coups, nets UvA is out spittle Spirulina is out along with her boyfriend Moan fees, which will get to when we get to the men Kiki Burton's the women's world number-one. Ash. Bharti is out. PALLIATION. Cova Julie Gorgas Sam, stow sir, my girl. And Wong Cheung is out Chinese number one. She's one of my favorites. So not playing either. So that's my list of women who are out and which reminds me to say that basically all of the China swing is done, it's canceled like none of the Asian countries are hosting tennis and their rates are incredibly low like they're closing everything down when they have like a new outbreak of ten, you know Kobe tasks and here we are in the. Thousands in the US, and we're still the turnament we're awesome. Sunday say arrogant but you know we'll see. So the men the men we who do we have in who are we going to watch and be excited about Jovovich joke of will be in and I think he had a surprising exit last year. So I'm sure he'll be excited to do better and he is probably really excited. He's. Pretty sure been vocal about. Not wanting to miss any chance to catch a dollar federal. So I'm pretty sure. He's just Hungary to get a Grand Slam asterik or no Asterik Murray Murray actually I think he got a wildcard because somebody else. withdrew. I feel like there's a little buzz around Murray right now like there's actually people talking about him and saying, you know this could be something for him because he you know he's returning to tennis in a in a big way where he maybe wasn't ready and now he's coming back. But at the same time, everyone is returning tennis and maybe everybody's not ready. So almost like an. Even, playing field, and of course, he's an incredible player in his game style and his court knowledge you know. So it's interesting to see what his game can do against everyone else and how ready everybody else will be right. Yeah. mean. I hope that would be really awesome because he's won the US Open a couple times right a few times maybe three such a great player yeah. Yeah. So excited about that we have Sasha's. dominic team the man who never says no to a tournament. Didn't Daniel Medvedev of last year's finalist who took nidal the five amazing sets He'll be back sillage former Champion CINCY POSS and rising star Baron teeny there they'll all be playing. So those are some players that will I'm sure we'll all have our eyes on hoping that they can make it. To the. Fourth Round or so we can start seeing these classic matchups. And then out WHO's out well. Obviously. You Know Nidal, and Federer very sad to see them out the door I mean, yeah. An adult the for the champion Yeah. He's not he's choosing not to defend his title. So that's so crazy right both men and women's champion that's gotta be a first that they're both returning. How strangers that twenty twenty come on? Yeah. Well, we'll get to we'll get to maybe the reasons why when we talk about the rankings a little bit but I There's been speculation that you know. had. The rankings not been frozen the doll would've tried to play the US. Open but he's he has cited that he chose it for health reasons and so you know good for him Kudos to him fetters going to be gone but he is recovering from his surgery and re-aggravating the injury during rehabilitation so he was going to be out anyway and once again. There's talk around federal to as just being that the guy who's lucky like he also benefiting a lot from the fruit frozen ranking points because he's not playing for, he's not going to play for eight nine months at all and he's going to have his ranking frozen. All right. So that's nice for him. He's a good planner. Yeah Right. He knows when to get injured we got curious WHO's out with Songa, WHO's out. We have stand bothering a former US Open champion who's out, which made me really sad when I saw that and then as I previously mentioned multis is out and Nishikori most likely out and then Luca Poi- is also out but I believe that is due to an injury and not a chosen coronavirus skip. So that's our list of WHO's in WHO's out again I just you know. I apologize if I left her favorite player out they probably weren't in the top fifty. That's a great list. That's a lot of great information, and of course, everything can change it every day as we head on up to the US Open. But yeah, that's really great to know who's in and who's out right now. Yes, and then so I was speaking a bit about the rankings which I just We had to look it up because as I said, Nicholas had told me what about The rankings you know I was like, wow what a great point. So I quickly before we got on this call looked up what is happening with the rankings because I did see an article about them saying that you know Nidal was point calculating when deciding where to play and so basically the way the rankings normally work is you have a calendar year you have a twelve month period you know. All your points for that year from from each tournament you know, sit there and the next year. If you do better, you get an increase in points. If you do worse than your points fall off, so you can move up and down the rankings. But what what has changed is they're going to have a twenty two month period. It's from March this year too I'm sorry March last year from because when. We stopped This year was in March. So they froze all of last year's and it's going to December, this year. So it's going to be twenty two months instead of twelve months, which is almost doubling the amount of time that they're going to be basically frozen and so what is going to happen though is if the player chooses not to play the tournament, they still get to keep their points from. The previous year. If they play, they're going to get to choose obviously they're going to choose the better one, but basically, they're going to get to keep their better result. So let's just say, let's say like four someone who won the tournament last year. Let's just go with Cincinnati since that's what's happening right now someone who wants Cincinnati last year if they play again this year and losing the first round, they still get to keep their championship points from last year. Because they have the. To. Exactly. So within the twenty month twenty, two month timeframe whatever their best result is from the from the even the same tournament gets to stick. So. It's kind of That's very weird. Right generally you there's a lot of pressure on these players to do well, if they've done well at a tournament the year prior but now they're going to get to play without fear of losing any ranking points. So yeah. So the other thing is that they they actually the way that they comprise. The points is they take the best results from eighteen tournaments and the last Fudge. That was awesome. I gotTA use that. Piano. Was So dramatic. So the way they do it is they take the best eighteen tournament results from the twenty two month timeframe and that is your ranking. So it really is a great incentive for tennis players to play because I mean, they could all choose to sit on the sidelines and lose nothing. But if they do play, they could better their ranking especially like for instance Djokovic, he could easily better his ranking because he got knocked out last year exactly and I mean we all assume that he will do quite well. If. Not Win easily I. Mean at least that's how I feel because he's been training and playing a lot like right I mean everybody's missing out on competition but he's got a good amount of training competition compared to the rest of the field. He also has this really strange bandage right now that he tested positive with covert months ago and assuming those antibodies are still active in his body. He probably is impervious to vid during this timeframe I guess that would be the same with Zavarra as well. Right But the NISHIKORI tested positive again. So There's a chance that that doesn't hold up what was the time distance between when he had it and when he didn't have it I actually don't know any of those details. Yeah. Because I think well, here at least in the United States to CDC is saying approximately three months that the antibodies give you protection. and. You know who knows if the information we're hearing from our federal government is correct or not it's really hard to know. But I mean just just that feeling that maybe he can feel more free be less stress less worried about illness just because he has that. Kind of advantage. For sure I mean I don't I don't really see anyone. Taking them out personally but stranger things have happened. I know I've been joking on the tennis court with my local buddies like. Why even have the tournament just hand joker the the trophy. You. Know just give it to him and save all this. You know risk of getting infected. Yeah Right. But. If it's not Djokovic, you've gotta think all these young guns are saying look I only have to be Djokovic now, I don't have to be three and that's why it's always been impossible right? Like, okay. You can beat Djokovic maybe then you could beaten doll, but then you have to beat Federer or you know in any in any combination of those three. At minimum, you had to at least get through two of them back to back right which is nearly impossible nearly impossible and I mean very few people have done. It that I can think of I mean team is right up there. Right he's taken at all of them out I think Zavarra of beat Shoka Vic and better at. At the finals rat the London. Again. That's three centers which I don't think really count I. D-. In a slam, there's only like one or two people who have ever done it. Right? Right and I think the record even though everybody says Medvedev has a great chance I mean he he's never actually won a five-set. from if I. Understand that correctly. A. Five five set final I should say. He's he's been in a couple of them and he's lost them all so. Yeah well. I. Shall. We shall we play the game now who men and women like what's your call will? It's really hard right because you don't. Always know lead up tournaments other than Cincinnati which. you haven't here's lunch exhibition tournaments to go off of which joke of each and team and Zverev all did very well and but they were playing against. You know a lot lower ranked players in these weird experts like the ultimate tennis showdown had weird rules four quarters. All these. Antics right wasn't like right tennis and then The other ones also had had different scoring. You know the third set I think for some of them were was like A. A. tie-break type of thing. Instead of a full set. So Right I don't know that any of them have had really enough conditioning. To to know how they're going to do in five the best of five for two weeks for for a two week tournament which has always been the US Open. They've always said has been the hardest one because it's towards the end of the year and you're battling injuries but everyone's now super fresh but also. Super Rusty, right. You're also battling ton of heat. You know usually the soap in is really brutal. Really is I guess they do it with at the Australian Open is probably more brutal but you're right? Yeah, I mean it's going to be hot and then it's weird to it's got to be weird like playing a grand slam with no crowd right because you better believe that a crowd has so much to do with a lot of. Think when if Serena gets tight. Or? Jovic, or whoever right? who normally have like a ton of crowd support. unless they're playing Federer and Djokovic case but normally these people are really used to being able to get sort of pumped up and get a bunch of energy from the crowd support. And the like, how weird is it going to feel that they're playing for a grand slam with no one clapping no-one screaming you know I've got to think that that gives the advantage to the underdog whoever that is. Yes. There they're used to not getting the chairs in back they're used to getting you know kind of. Anti cheers. People cheering when they double-fault or people cheering when they hit it out you know. So they're actually going to have less of a distraction and maybe kind of evens the playing field in a lot of ways. I mean I think this is gonNA. Be The coolest and strangest US Open I can't wait to watch as much as possible because we're going to see like. Really. Crazy. Stuff happening I mean I. I think there's going to be. A lot of shocking headlines as far as like not only just who loses early to someone they shouldn't have lost to quote unquote but also who like, how does Corona Virus Play Who's trainers going GONNA test positive and they're going to have to withdrawal because you know they have to quarantine or something like that. You know. and then what happens like do we have a draw full of walkovers or do lucky losers get thrown in It'll just be interesting, right it'll just be a tournament we've never seen. Yeah I honestly. Feel like it's such a blip on the on the calendar just such an anomaly that it just shouldn't count like I really feel like the US Open should just be an exhibition until we actually get back to you know where everything is. Somewhat normal and and people can actually play again because I mean even if Djokovic wins you know that everybody's GonNa say, Oh, well, that's because it was the Cova Tournament. GOING GONNA. Totally discount it and I think I think it's actually different for Serena I, think if Serena wins I feel like they're going to give it to her more but who do you think is the biggest competition on on the women's side Is the as I think there's it helps and hurts her equally more than anyone. How first of all Serena is notorious for. Two players shouldn't lose too. Early on when there's a lot of pressure. But she also really relies on the crowd the US Open to help push through those close matches. So I feel like she's very vulnerable in the sense that she's not going to have that support to help push her over the edge if he wakes up and has a bad day she screwed. Because she's missing that that extra edge she has being a home home player however that being said I, think like because there's no no one there and it's it'll be a lot less pressure, right? Because everything's so kinda strange. I feel like maybe she'll just. All of those expectations of you know. Thirty thousand people screaming her name you know not being there will help her as well to just relax. So it'll be interesting to see how she actually goes with that. I think the draw will be important. Right? Who knows if she gets someone WHO's The draw means so much so much forever right. I'm feeling great about ASAKA too. I mean I, feel like Asaka can take anybody out if she's up to speed and you know. She so fast so I feel like this is her tournament to lose in a lot of ways I feel like Serena's a little bit under Naomi as far as chances are concern. But true I'm GONNA I'M GONNA go out on a limb and say like plus Cova like she. She kills at all the you know lower ranked tournaments and usually kind of doesn't do as well at These grand slams, which is why she's not aggressive champion yet but I wonder if it's going to be different here because there isn't that much pressure there isn't the crowded really is matched by match player-against-player without all the other stuff and that's when she does really well, she's super calm. So I'd like to see her really step up and just play her game without all the distraction and pressure on wonder if this could be here, call I think you're totally on to something there. she definitely does. Feels pressure from a crowd and tends toll lose matches that she shouldn't. I'm and does very well when it's not like a big stakes match like. A Grand Slam I don't see why not and plus with her serve. What a weapon? Yep. I would I would not definitely not be surprised but I'm really hoping that one of the Americans will step up and take it Cocoa Golf actually lost in the first round of Cincinnati. so Hopefully. That doesn't hurt her confidence but We'll see I that would be nice to see her have a nice run as well. I mean and that's the whole point, right? No one is match ready on the men or women side there's no one is match ready the there haven't been matches how can they be matched ready? They can practice all they want. They can do you know practice. Matches all they want, but it's a different thing when you're playing against the next person down the list, who is just says high level you know approaching high levels, you not a practice partner. So none of these people are ready in my book. Yeah. For sure and and the women haven't had very many exhibition tournaments The men have had quite a few. And Sloan Stevens? Just lost F Y. So, hot and cold man. Yeah. I I'm also feeling on the men's side team is right there I mean, I don't feel like he's lost any bit of his intensity even after the Adria tour where everybody tested positive he literally flew off plane to the next tournament. You know he was just like their I'm ready I'm playing. I'm done I kinda feel like if it wasn't for Covid, this would be his time So even with now the quarantine Ken he even more. So take advantage of the fact that he's really on right now. Yeah I mean I would think he's The favourite next in line to Jovovich right without a question. So we'll see it will be it would be fun to see him do well, you know Of, course with. The Dahlan Federer out and as a federal fan. I would love to see someone step up and get have a new. Avenue Champion in a Lotta ways. For Djokovic. He gets off the hook because if these were normal tournaments without the quarantine man, he grilled incessantly about all the negative press that he's gotten up to this point with his tour were you know with the Anti vaccine with all of the stuff he's talking about for the vaccination I feel like he would be He'd feel a lot more negatively but because it's GonNa be so corentin much of the press is not going to be there I think he's going to have a little bit of get out of jail free card going on. Yeah Yeah for sure I mean there's just so so many strange things that are going to affect this but. It it'll be cool I. mean we're when will we ever have this experience again? And then it'll be cool when the French Open comes in a month or whenever that is and to see the kind of differences between. How to play out. Yeah. All right. We're going to end it there. That's our show for this episode. Thanks so much for listening. 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Aus Open Day 10 - Thiem's Time Has Come

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Aus Open Day 10 - Thiem's Time Has Come

"Hi I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm mats wilander. I'm Sandra Wanka an Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Marie and you're listening to the tennis. podcast it's nearly one o'clock in the morning. Dominic team hasn't even come into his press conference yet But he is into the semifinals at the Australian Open for the first time in his the entire life. Which means that the world number-one Raff on the doubt is no more in the twenty twenty Australian Open? We will be having a new men's singles finalist because it is going to be the dominant team or Alexander's Barrett and water night. Water water performance team and such a match rich in different types of entertainment entertainment. Entertainment Catherine Whittaker. Yeah but you know. It wasn't straightforward. It wasn't it wasn't linear it was just all over the shop. It's a roller roller coaster. It was a meandering journey. Well I would say first of all God it feels good to be right for a change. Yeah we got one right given that we all back team. I just thought I should put it out. Latvia given the wrong time hypothetical money where some of US picked as well they on fire today but anyway let's not worry about that. Let's start but this team noodle matchup just nice. Big namedrop just walked straight past him and the Dallas. He came out of the press conference and he still has the politeness to say. Though as he's walking past upsetting crestfallen after having been beaten and he he got beaten at his own game today and then some but it was interesting talking to Marion Bartoli in the BBC. Radio commentary box. This wasn't the same from my vantage point as the US Open match where he just blitzing winners and it was go for broke tennis at all costs this time. He's just stood toe Taylor them and said I'm the stronger. I'm the faster I'm the guy with the biggest shots and I can grind you down. It is absolutely the difference difference between team the tennis bio hardcore eighteen months ago when he played Nadeau in that. US Open Mac. It was largely hidden hope tennis I I thought he's always hanging on. We felt like he was hanging on whereas now he has conviction and he has strategy and he genuinely believes he can win these big matches. Can telly serving for the match or have any any source of matchpoints whatsoever. But it's such the difference and you believe with him now because because yeah his tennis as good as an adult on our core and the dollar has is better. The doll has denied in his press. Conference that he was feeling agitated. Was the word that that was trying to be put to him and his press conference. He didn't quite understand that in English but frustrated watching him washing his reactions. It's certainly felt like he was more frustrated because of what team was doing so because of the way team as you said David was beating him in his own brand of tennis Topspin groundstrokes with physical rallies from the baseline. It wasn't like he was being off the court by a big server who is just taking the time away and being on a fast graphs call I. We've seen it wasn't it wasn't I got the Kryptonite of of this of of an absolutely established. Formula Yet team was just working out as he wins and he decided to just go toe to toe and basically the he manhandled rough on the Dow for the best part of four hours he was the guy making things happen. Dominic team he was the he he was both standing toe to toe with Nidal. But also the one saying enough of this rally. I'm going for right now. He was the one taking chances but with margin for error he was the one he was the playmaker out. There he really Brady was he. Took my breath away tonight barring a couple of Couple of games. Where was I mean? When he served for the match in the fourth it was a double phone three four hundred dollars it was as as visual and palpable a choke is you'll ever seen? He admitted as much in his uncle interview. Tim Career Yeah it was so human How that's well? That's why he's one of the reasons people like him so much as well though. Isn't it because you can see it. You can see that human. He's not able to act like the Dallas Federal and put that face on he it's creeping out from every pore but the interesting thing was even though no he was a breakdown in both the first two sets he still felt like the better player. It was kind of difficult to understand how he got himself. A breakdown there. There's never a point where I thought teams the second best player on this on this tennis. Cool not one point it was. It was an absolute testament to the spirit and iron will of needle that he won. The third certain made made the fourth competitive fairy nearly pushed a fifth tennis-wise team is better throughout anyone both tie-breaks and then in the third set. He still felt the better plan until will account remember the exact point but our member the visual of it there was a rally when he was far into the court from where I was sitting where he suddenly the need dropped to groundstrokes short. He didn't make proper contact with them. A sort of miscued them and then he just dumped on rolled one into the net. A half way up the net without any power really just trying to rearrange show and that was in one rally and I thought immediately his in trouble here because his nerves. He's tightening up. He can't he can't feel the racket anymore and and I think it was ten ten minutes before it was suddenly two-sets-to-one Salaam just turned immediate eight points in a raid in the sequence. I mean it was just it was so it's it's rare that something's among the very elite. It's a weakness is suddenly that blatant and yet we all fouls I think pretty much. We all felt he would still win. Even though he'd suffered this horrible attack of nerves he was just a better player overall and only needed to do go back into that mode. Now it would be very easy to suit of a lose that lose that flow and also no doubt to grow in confidence and maybe take over But it just never felt by that was going to happen to me apart from apart from the nerves and the choking 'cause it happen later on in the fourth set as well when he was on the brink a few retires but I always felt he could of the line and I I put a lot of that feeling of it just being different down to two boys chicken and egg raspberries down to that agitation. Or they wouldn't accept that word if Nadal. You don't see him like thank. You looked rattled in Neiva team. Had him down near end of the court where we were. I tweeted about it. I said I don't ever seen aimed this irritated. This angry on a court just about things not going away. That's supposed to guy he. He was as close to sort of showing a visual Tempa as saying that he was doing that he turned his back for he. Would he would shankar for handle or miss. Mrs. Schott Mississippi I mean more of more of an it was all hands tonight. You've missed one. And he turned his back first before then grimacing or really reacting being negative face. He's he didn't want to show it to dominate team. Didn't WANNA show him the the how much it was getting to him that he that he knew. I think the he was being as you say beaten its own game that that's tough to take for finito. Really tough to taking. It felt hey entirely sporting ways it sort of a bitterness coming out. I think that's a bitter pill for him to swallow. That's that's a fair point and actually I found his post-match press governs remarks on the subject really enlightening when he was asked about the difference out there today and he said he's younger was the first thing he said he's younger. The balls were heavy. He hits the bowl incredibly hard. It was a it was an admission that this guy physically outmatched me he said any any also referenced the Dominic Demonic Team Speed around the court which this is the first match that I've ever realized he had that. I'm sure it's look. He hasn't suddenly got faster tonight. But it's the first time I've realized what we what we dealing with here. He is as quick as anybody in the world. I haven't quite processed that he is. I mean and we were chatting about what's up early. Maybe Alex Maybe Novak Djokovic Shit full pelt but I still. I dated anyone quicker than it's already too may be one or two much him but this the way he uses his speed powerfully powerfully launches himself. He doesn't just get gets there. And then it is on Bali balancing figure put speed combined with this incredible core strength talk. He's able to get the balance and the talk once he gets there. He's he's just an incredibly credibly balanced individuals physically as we were we were talking about. How what can the Dow is never for a good match and we we were thinking? Well team the Dolly's so why is Washington the Dow not and we were thinking of the differences between Irving team. And Yeah there are. There are subtle differences in the way team hits. His groundstrokes hits them with a lot more spin them being able to get in a dollar off off the the middle of the core a lot more than more for inquiries angles. But when I was watching that match I thought the main difference is team speed compared to offering. You said that it feels was like team is a kind of twenty twenty s upgrade severing in that in that respect and I thought that was just right. He's just Rinku is so physical but it's it's purely kind of power of shots and his ability to ask physically matches or has been in the past so. It's a strange brute. Strength it's beat it beaten an arm wrestle or a pushing contest or something but with team is the physicality of movement of his of his groundstrokes folks. Everything about his tennis is physical. And so's the dolls and team to Outdo Nidal in that respect in mind mind boggling and when was the last time you saw the Dow who's so good at the net and so good at setting himself up for an easy volley but always having soften of hands and the the right instincts put it away. The were number of times today. Whether you're a drop shot and team got there and not just got there. Absolutely look at four hundred passed him or just outfoxed him at the net with with with he dances whether he's on the run and full stretch and coming up with something Simpson or the touches or whatever it was in the Dow was left just bereft time and he also missed quite a few simple volleys probably as a As a consequence of what team was doing to him put in doubt in his mind. Thinking had to make the volley even better because team would get there if he didn't just aw is frustration and some of his more surprising is just that feeling of powerlessness in in the face and the Dell said he played well in the past currencies. I played well happy with my attitude. I mean I would look. I don't I'm not saying you had a bad attitude. All we're all I'm saying is relative to what you normally say from. No doubt that was frustrated. I've seen him look now. He refutes that okay fair enough. He knows better than me in that regard but he said I'm happy my attitude. I thought I was positive. I thought I tried everything I didn't quit. I kept moving forwards and yet they still didn't win win against not not a sort of you. Know not not federal strache in his backhand or not jackovitch with the Kryptonite Kryptonite. And this is another guy. Another guy on a hardcourt. He just took him down. What would you have liked to done different tonight? And he said one tiebreak one anytime I think had a a set to with the empire. Didn't say in. What was that about? Yes he was time violation yet. Tom Violation there was a really one of many explosive dynamic rallies. Twenty shots so and then the next point to just before he was about to serve was given a time violation the clock run down to zero and he hadn't started his motion and he went over and had a had a word with the empire already taught and and said you don't like the good tennis twice I think he said that His point being that he thinks off the after a long rally that there should be some kind of of discretion and shit. Stop the clock a bit later or allow. The play is a bit more time and he actually said in the in the Spanish portion of his press conference that he thinks thinks by not allowing extra time. It's it's showing that you don't really understand or appreciate. The sport of tennis was the words he used before. Have Yeah Now I only taught was absolutely right to to call the time violation because that isn't the rule. I think the question is whether maybe the rule does need looking at because I can understand the dose points on that but it doesn't feel right that an issue get twenty five seconds and then a massive rally you get twenty five seconds. But isn't that a knee exposed by somebody that is pushing the twenty-five second it doesn't mean. Please take twenty five seconds on that. That's kind of allowing for a bit of extra time after longer. I'm not saying they shouldn't be any discretion. In extreme circumstances build the problem in have one empire does it one way or another another way yeah. That's I Dana. She did anything wrong and understand his frustration with the Chicago. Electoral Law person. I think she was exercising some discretion because he is not she was not punishing every time he shacklock were and it was noticeable. Marion kept drawing our attention to the fact that when the players at the end of the game are coming to sit down she. She didn't start the clock on them sitting down until they were already sat down for instance you know she was giving a little and when when they when when it was time up Panos supposed to stand up. She was giving them a bit longer. She was I mean we all we had all this. Didn't we call trauma Serena Williams. US Open is is is match management and is the absolute rules and then there's the sort of well what point do I think I don't want to inflame a situation -Tuation and which ones writer I don't always know what which ones right out of those things. It's it's a tough job what I did like back and it was the same last night. Is these umpires who were just not kowtowing to the big name they were. She was trying to do Hejab correctly. No matter who it was and whether you agreed exactly with the way she deployed The rules that's a that's at the individual I think once in a while we do see empires occasionally bend and I don't like that for sure. Well I member sit. Surpassed talked about it quite a lot last year that he thought the top players and pretty much referring to the big three. I think do getter slight preferential treatment from empires in terms of those sorts of situations. That they're more lenient with them. And that's that's two days in a row now. Marianne evaluation already a tool to have you know stood up to federal found Dahl and an not going to to the match any differently than they would with someone else. Yes that's exactly how it should be but there was trying to make a point of being authoritarian or anything. Nine months is doing their thing. Great then they're not trying to be buddies. He's with the. I really like seeing the fact that they just get on with the job and do the job. That's what we're here for So okay good for them. It means that I just feel like we should mention adults challenge challenge match pulse. Now it is I was looking. Away is the best challenge this this ever happened. I wasn't I was doing a report for five live at the time. It wasn't able to see what was going on. Explain what happened so team gets to six four in the in the tie-break Nice first match point. He hits a great serve. Gets too short ball dumps a forehand into the net. Him Fail to serve it get broken to love. First Time. It's empty seven out next. Match point a one of the usual great rallies issues and team throws up a lob really really high dull does his usual thing. Backpedaling gets right behind it sees it land and and there's no call and the Dow stops the point doesn't even attempt to smash stops the point on on match not point. Time seemed to stand still. It could be yes. Oh if that was even a millimeter in that was the match that that team team would have won it. Because I didn't make a play and he stopped the point. I mean I must say how bold of needle to do it because it was. It was actually reasonably far out. It wasn't like wasn't a good cool. It wasn't a great call. It's coming it's one thing. Topspin shot that shooting through. This was coming Maine down Long cheating on slows. Relatively easy cool to me injure been unsighted. Maybe they say behind the ball so don't thinks so too much The baseline on line judge. But yeah how how got Sir. I couldn't believe stocks. Yeah it was ordinary is unbelievable. Anybody else he thinks that's the most even even if they'd been validated it still cheap it because it's a risk but it doesn't feel that way with a dull you feel like he's just got incredible presence of mind to make her irrational judgment in that moment and just trusted decide McEnroe used to say when he was contesting ankles. I you saw them in or whatever it was I I wasn't just arguing for the sake wasn't lying. I soar it wrong. My my my eyes deceive me and of course. I'm sure that happens to everyone in times of stress except for Rafael Alamodome. What was what was it like in the stadium at that point because you tour in the press seats weren't you? I was in the box behind a window so I couldn't hear WH- The commotion would have been like it was getting mad. The place was going mad. It was it was a sense of chaos ready. What have you done time stops? Yeah and then it was okay because he was all right but then it was okay in that it was serves six five and just all the normal tension sick. I held it together just about it. He was it was helpful for him. I am I think to have a tie-break to finish off. I think he didn't enjoy serving it out. Serve as we've discussed the the biggest television nerves ever when his second serve almost the baseline feel doesn't it 'cause it's not as much as it is a is now on new interview. Take as much as it is. It's it's incredibly powerful game. It's slightly less muscular power than the noodle I mean. It feels muscular. It comes from a slightly different places with plush small. Yeah it's more rink risk. There isn't it when he hurtles side to side and he's on the full run and then he just does the full take back when he hits the ball from from behind where we are caught caught level. It's like he's put in a catapults or or he's put in a bazooka and it just goes off into the distance distance. And you can't. You can't quite believe what you're seeing because it doesn't have any when he hits back on full on it doesn't have any spin and he and he did one of those six all in the tiebreak to pass. Dr Is on his backhand and we often talk about the way. The dollar is essentially invented. A new shot with his forehand. Never seen anything like it before and Jackovic's the way he can hit offensive shots from defensive positions while the way team hits that backhand open storms one-handed at such pace. I don't know any anyone else can do. That Matt looked open mouth when he did that and said no one else can do because just thinking. Whenever federal hits a backhand he takes a big step into it with his right foot stamps into it which is more convenient as conventional but same name open stance of slid into it and had his left foot near the ball? I it was. It blew my mind. We we spend most Hosa those four hours ten minutes just with our marveling just mouth. Wide Jaw dropping tennis one. Final footnote four team falling backwards onto his ass sorta sideways somersaulting still winning the point. The Dow wins baseline running the against the Dow when he was on his love who earlier is now Indians. Fury money's US on the press corps But he was literally on the tarmac on the hard court on the cement and then he gets up and he still wins a baseline running against founded out unbelievable goat so he now faces Alexander's who is into his first ever grandson semifinal and he did emphatically lose his sets dropped record in the first set against Denver rinker six one but he made a very riveria comeback and won the match. I think he he served more than eighty percent first serves in which for if he carries out on. I I mean he's GonNa take some stopping even by team. It is a miraculous. Transformation team. Sorry is very of could not serve three weeks ago. He couldn't embarrassment yeah. It was a total disaster. His whole game his whole attitude and in particular niculae serve and then he goes out there today off to a slow start against it becomes the dominant weapon that it can be and every time he was getting that I serve in. It felt like Mervyn Cut. Didn't couldn't get in the rallies it was just so dominant such weapon for him like it like it should be. It's to his absolute credit that he somehow managed to do this and he's done it by. REPETITION is what he says. Ah just been out on that and Prentice Court and just hit thousands of Serbs which which is exactly what you should do but I think two things that are like about Verita. I've not warmed to him like warmed to other players. I'm quite happy to admit that there are a few reasons for it I think is his approach impress currencies. I think is the sense sometimes times that he he thinks he's arrived when he hadn't The there are one or two things there but at the same time. I love the fact that he totally in love with tennis. He he is obsessed with the game he desperately desperately wants to be the best he can be and and I find that quite disarming because because he he shows his former ability when he's talking in those terms and his commitment is total. You see that that he's desperate and he's he's GonNa he's GonNa put it in order to try to turn that that Severin and he did in this particular match now Hearing Mark Woodforde saying are common trucks today at the he doesn't feel one hundred percent that he sought it all this out that he thinks this might be might end up being a bit of a sticking plaster he he feels. That could still come and done anytime the server and the four and the four hundred we were watching. He kept dumping four hands in the NATTO. Hitting them long. I'm so I don't feel. I don't feel that confident that I don't think teams should win that semi final. I'm not hundred. I'm not I'm not cast iron on. I mean it wasn't the playmaker. At all. Today Teigen Stanford rinker is not like he suddenly started playing different tennis and stops being perhaps more defensive than a lot of people think he should be. I mean obviously. The serve is incredible attacking weapon when it's firing like like it is but in terms of the baseline he's he's not owning. The base is line. I didn't think I mean he lost the first heavily because the rink was making the play and they were going in and he won the subsequent three sets pretty decisively because it stopped going and now was missing. He played really well. Lovely only the smoothness. Two strokes really really pleasing but the first set was evidence that if someone's going for it and and taking it on on an and it and it's going in he's I I do think this vulnerability and I think team should be able to explain that better than ever in for the full I five sets this movement will help his own serve will have a I think team I'd want stage. I I saw had one I think. Forty six of fifty eighty two first-serve points one night. Of course I slightly have about team and I'm total believer and I did A D. Think he'll oh come through that I think he's I think he really could win. The title hero the way he was attempting to served out the match. Today it really made me realize what a monumental hurdle achievement it now and with him to beaten a dull at a slam bigger than any other be bigger than beating federal judge. I mean he's beach and Jockey Richard Islam but it's just so much bigger than and then anything else his type of player he's trying to become down and and I it's been his benchmark has an he had the the the French Open semifinal and then the French Open final way didn't get a set and then last year the French Open final made it but I'm getting closer. That's what we said the podcast off to its isn't it was Andy Murray. I'm getting closer moment. And then this is his. I mean he's not one thing yet but this was his Olympic gold medal steppingstone to Grand Slam. Moment for me and I as I said. I'm still a believer. I'm still backing him to win. That semi final. But I I do think there's a a just a bit caution about a potential letdown after it could feel like the summit could massive hurdle saliva come mentally as well as Gareth as big hurdle to to reach semifinal and how how charming was he in that post-match press current pass postmatch interview on court. Just by letting everybody in the arena know about that about how much it meant to him. There was no. There's no being cool all about it. He he was he was like a kid. It was it was real I liked. I liked seeing that. I've always thought the best of is the on the on coins of US Vera Narrative. He's he's charming he just thrives in those situations and Makomo told him about his serve being problem he said Yeah but also my forehand my dropshot waking up in the morning and it was great. The crab loving you what do you. What are you hoping for what he you looking forward to team against the dull tonight's that I'm looking forward to watching it? My air conditioned to the toll room with a classic coke and watching them go for six hours and get sweaty sweaty. That's my assessment. Let's hope and I must say another thing. He mentioned in that encore interview and again in the press conference was about his relationship with his father is obviously he's coach and I remember watching HP Cup a few weeks ago in thinking that situation had reached boiling point than how sad was it because his dad was in tears listening tastes vary berated him and shouted at him and was lost was utterly elite bereft completely so it strikes me that have been some crisis talks since then and they've and they've worked it out instead. Sorry you've radio. He's come to the interview disc. PRONUNCIATIONS are hard folks they just just importantly we will. There was something about the ways spoke about wanting to prove that it was Sousse. It was his fault that is tennis wasn't good in the last year. Not His dad's fault which which I felt quite strongly I hit me that actually sleep and he was taking ownership shoot post. ATP Cup was let's get back to work You have a Lotta respect for that. I think is his bolted. I think any any really is talking. About how the low expectations helping him because he he actually says something interesting and that he's always treated the slams differently in his mind which we often think is the right thing to do. You want to be peaking for these events. But he's not figured out a way to peak. He thought to peaking to do things differently. Not Go out to dinner in the evening. Completely be focused on his his tennis and he was obsessed with it was he said he was impatient. Success Jeremiah Andy. Murray saying something like that recently. I mean I think maybe in that little interview interview after his His documentary add that the sometimes he. It's just working on Tennyson thinking about all the time. Sometimes you know. Probably if he'd had a chance again he might have just tried to learn how to relax it more and not worry so much about it all Very difficult to do that from my own work. I find. Sometimes disengaging isn't easy but now he's he's Really grown I think is very of this four nine. No matter what happens in the semifinal I I hope he does himself justice. I hope he doesn't freeze. I hope he plays well. Regardless awesome result is it'd be it'd be good be good for him and it be good full kind of this generation really just to show up this slam and And have a good results and at least there is going to be a first time. Finest they all good friends team which can often go one or two ways content i. I'm sure it helped them both. Feel comfortable but it can fit a bit weird sometimes when when friends playing each other. We'll team have that same aide. She has put Catherine really wanting to Dayton adults today. Interestingly interesting to see how good with some owner hal up today sublime she she played eleven. o'clock eleven forty five hundred over six one. Six one against the net concentrate in her first grand slam quarter-final so perhaps that was is also a factor but she wasn't really allowed to play. How just just just go ever them back and just made life and nightmare? Well the best tennis I've ever seen that play was the woman final. Last year against Serena where she made four unforced errors into sets and she she was asked to compare her level to that wouldn't final today and she didn't say it wasn't as good she didn't say it was. You know that level but it didn't shut it down. She thinks she's playing as well as she ever has. I believe that I believe it. T- and say about her about her defense is is what mainly strikes you when you watch hal up and it's what contract said. She didn't feel her shots or having impact because how it was they're getting them back must be horrible. Freezing food must be awful but also it's a bit like it's Djokovic. Then she's not defensive player when she's at her best. She's an aggressive aggressive player with the best defense in the world. But she's trying to play on the front foot she's trying to dictate and he was doing that against concert. A lot of the time she was rushing in concert herself she's got both departments working debater feel says lease maybe immigration Beata Sir. She be anesthesia pamphlet tank today. Magee Reuther Against Hal up which is what we expected I would make help. The favourite McGrath is always got little bit of x factor about her as she because she's one to grandson titles and because she believes that if she plays her best tennis she she beats that's how she approaches things. Yeah the interesting similarities. And contrasts with his press. Conference inference from McGrady's press conference today in she unashamedly cares about the slams more than anything else and doesn't doesn't think that needs adjustment tool then of course there at different stages of their careers. She's I mean. Observe has had highs and lows is but she's had more extreme and of course she's you know she's already won a couple of Grand Slam titles but she's like Yes slams me you know the fact that is an off. After last night she was on unabashedly. Talk about the Career Slam. You know this is what matters history is what mattis term then. The there were comparisons in terms. She's she's pretty reluctant to talk about her tribulations. Over the past couple of years. And she doesn't really engage with chat about her drop-off in rankings. She said she it doesn't really she. She admits to there having been challenging times but she says she doesn't really look at ranking. She doesn't read read into those that much but she was asked kind of the. The question is kind of rephrased bitten. Put to to try and get her to expand a bit on on how tough it's been and and what's dragged around it I suppose other than can cheat them all Tina's which is the obvious link and she said that that what she found hardest of the lowest year Russo's the feeling of working king hard. Maybe even working harder than you ever have and it still clicking because there is this mantra in in a sort of post x factor world and. There's lots positive about it. We had caroline wozniacki saying in her parting. Press conference that. If you work hard enough you can achieve anything right. That's this sort of and the there's obviously veasley positive messaging in there. But then what about when you're working as hard as you possibly can possibly even too hard see Andy Murray and it still not happening joining because we all know it is not just about hardware mortars verve said He feels that he he's almost two professional. Wouldn't have been about things. Maybe GonNa have a beer and just relax forbids i. I've definitely experienced it myself. burnout just by pushing too hard. Because when actually just chilling out forbid sometimes in decompressing is good for you And it's really difficult to know when to do which is really difficult. Sometimes you need. That's that's why you need good people around you isn't it. That's why the need good coach and is a brave thing to do when you results of rubbish to go. I'm going to have been Jim of course especially as professional athletes. You know your instinct. Is Aspen Multimedia Jim when when very lost I think it was after the it was also a victory but after one of his unnecessary five-setters at the US Open he came onto the practice school sp- behind a Amazon studio and he was on there for another two hours and of course it was impressive. Everybody was just mesmerized by his commitment. But I just thought how. How can this possibly be the right thing? He just played a five setter. It wasn't like Oh you know just one in fifty five minutes of you better get myself proper workout and Okay well all good What di what did I? We've had And it leaves us us with tomorrow play starting once again. Eleven o'clock local time but with the doubles semi-finals of Dodig Policy Against Pacelle and luke several It's not before two o'clock in the afternoon fresh party and Severe Cannon then followed by Hal Against Margarita and in the evening match is is Roger Federer against Novak Jock Itch. I've just run into Craig tully and how to chat with him and I asked him whether the framework that we've seen for the play over the last three days of a single match in the night session and and always being men whether that is how it is from now on and he said no he said it'll change every year there are different factors that this is not a new set in stone order of play For those days and he was he was categoric about what what are the factors multiple in as much as I mean. Look this is what he said is there are so many factors to to to consider when doing an order play for instance he said I have how the men I can have the male plas- complaining about having only two of the five matches on the Rod Laver Arena And saying that they're penalized because the plane five cents and therefore I mentioned he means the tours Rather than individual mail blasts and obviously the women. The women's tour as we've highlighted are not getting the showtime the Prime Time Slot Atoll in week to in the evening session which I find. I just feel that should be right at the top of the list of priorities to even that out. I don't care how you do it logistically mystically but I feel like it should be happening and look I do understand. His conundrum generally from logistical point of view. I I've seen the behind the scenes that at a at a big tournament at Queen's many many years and it's not a slam like this I know what is I know what he would be up against I just feel like like parity of Stage should be of paramount. Importance fish comes to shove off the same thing that always get shoved. It's not an accident. That certainly happens years on a slate. The playing field isn't level to start with with but it's not set in stone is what he said at all And you know it'll be different. He said it'll be different next year. But I mean what is down at the Australian Open and has been for years is the women's semifinals taking place in the day and he he did say that. That's not changing. I mean all. There's no plan for that to change as things stand but my query was over those first three days which are so different different to a year ago and whether that was a new policy and he said no wasn't a lot of people have been pointing out that basically been impossible to follow the women's competition in Europe because it's all taking place in the middle of the night and actually when I when I was reading out the order plan. NBC Radio Today. I was saying you know. We'll we'll keep you up to date with Ash Party in Alabama but it'll be two three or four in the morning and UK Tom Look. I know the U. K.. Isn't the only important territory. I mean this people all around the world listening to this podcast. I'm happy to say you're different time zones but it is Consideration and the bigger consideration for me more generally is that even though ash party wants to play in the afternoon and I totally get that for her. Chances is what a shame that the so many people who are at school or at work. And that's a shame. Yeah it's if she goes out under Adna two o'clock in the afternoon on Thursday beat acted. It really happened and more generally the bigger the bigger audience is in the evening and I just feel they should. They should just have what's right. Not The I know. They're related factors. But why is what's right. Not a dominating fat. Why does that not I mean I would imagine the answer? The somebody in that position would give is what's right to you isn't necessarily what's right in inverted commas in terms of most important to them I agree with you Catherine But you know that that's where we are so I thought I'd let you know what I had What a nice to get out of that conversation Margaret Record Arena tomorrow. We'll see joe souls break I up in the doubles semifinals alongside Reggie Ram Against Public Kukushkin public because it doubles player in the semifinals found that bitcoin staying And then there are mixed doubles quarterfinals on those courts as well as the final the Quad wheelchair doubles with Dylan Oh caught Davidson against Andy Lapthorne and Wagner and some legends matches. There's loads of junior matches as we will get into those when we get into the weekend and we made a complaint. Today's tight us in a number of other people in on a tweet about Lack of parity in pay and in drew sighs from the quotes Wheelchair singles singles. which is what he competes into in comparison to the other wheelchair events are haven't had the chance to look into that I've just seen the the headline of it and obviously on on the face of it. It doesn't feel quite right but I am. I'm going to try and set some time aside to investigate don't ever find out and on the subject of Of I guess you could say controversies Martina Navratilova Rotella and John McEnroe today. Issued apologies qualified apologies at least For breaking the protocol of the Australian opens accreditation. Rules rules Martina says she wasn't aware of the of the detail of the protocol And she shouldn't have protested tested in the way that she did on Margaret Court arena And still stands by everything she says and thinks but should have done it in different way. John McEnroe said. I've never follow drills and I haven't followed them this time. I have lots of respect for the Australian Open and and basically they. They needed to come to a a solution. That didn't involve macaroni. Navratilova having their accreditation tation removed and being thrown off site. So that sounds like what what they've they've come up with And Yeah I mean like I said. They're they're all rules that we all have to sign up to when we get our accreditation badges and And I suspect John and Martina probably aren't fine print readers when it comes to that Evans. Anyway that's happened and roll onto tomorrow today. It is thirty nine I am. Let's go to bed folks. We got any shoutouts Matt. Yes we have to. Michael Thomas To Susan Sutherland until Lee. Ferguson Michael Thomas. He scored the winning goal for Arsenal in the league title. Rice as with Liverpool in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety nine. Isn't that Hello Michael. Michael Listening no thanks to listen to the PODCAST. And who else we got Susan. Susan Sutherland Sutherland. And Lee Fergus Lee. Excellent thank you saw and I could be. Football is found out today. That the a famous cricketer Steve Smith is listener. Hello Steve Steve doesn't even back to the kickstarter and he still gets okay okay. Famous listeners like proper nerdy tennis fan. Yeah he was there tonight and lives and breathes. He's listening into this Nicole. I think if you take it as a compliment David Wright type Steve Smith. We're we're not living around this table. So and we're we're right behind their religious listener Corsica Navy's not to think so but I know he does. Listen for us. Dave okay So we will be back tomorrow with another tennis podcast or later today or tomorrow obviously Federa playing what we're going to prediction. Well this chatter going for federal run. Flay everyone's balloon. There are rumors. Who's going well now? There are rumors that it might not happen. Why some legends doubles? I don't think anyone is saying that it. It won't happen but I think it's something that we do need to be prepared for right. That was he was not in good shape federa. Two days ago and he doesn't retired from matches he doesn't retire. Matches is stepping on that. Call if he's not feeling feeling good given the plate down the other given the boat down the other end if he's not sure he can finish. He's not going to start. Okay we'll wait and see showy gene into the PODCAST Amora anyway. Will you federal fans. We know you love it anyway Before that Bharti win. We're going to go to Boston. I think underestimate Kenan Denny. Anyone should but Bharti in three NERVI sets are tense. This is the tents one. Yeah Okay and what I really like about how Caruth I've just thinking about. It is whoever wins will have the chance to pay for the third quarter of their career slam. which nick which feels like sexual significant but they've both got the same same slams? 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Episode 283: The Year in Men's Tennis (with Ricky Dimon)

No Challenges Remaining

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Episode 283: The Year in Men's Tennis (with Ricky Dimon)

"The to know challenges remaining. Ben rothenberg it is the final day of the atp season twenty twenty. What a strange season. It's been but a familiar reassuring voice joining me on this show for server annual. Atp type show very different circumstances unusual ricky diamond that you're here normally we do the show after you've just run the marine corps marathon in dc. Probably right after we go to bench syllable bowl on new street. Unfortunately neither of those things happen this year to the pandemic. but you're here. Thanks for being here and Sorry for the lack of lack of chili cheese fries on offer. Today i think the head me give be on. But yeah i miss. I miss that legendary tradition of prenatally to finals. Run half marathon. Good at ben's chili bowl in dc in review the upcoming tournament but You know this alternative balloon it after the fact actually actually i was gonna serve this later about this. Now you've been to london tournament a bunch of times Covering for tennis balls and other places you right for. I have been there only once on in twenty fourteen which is one of the worst terms that ever happened that twenty fourteen tournament terms of like almost every match being predictable and the final not happening and there was the one good federer still dan crybaby match that was that was the one part of that tournament and the dot at that tournament which i was thinking that dot the seventies were pretty good but the anyway most of it was bad. But you you're at the term in a long time This was the last match that we had played in this term in its current generation at the two arena in one. What are you gonna. What do you remember most about that. Then you in this and how they held it. And what do you think of it. Finally moving to is it. The right time to move is at too soon as too late. Should have been in the same place because before this it moved on a pretty regular interval this was a long setting up camp in london really broke this sort of rhythm of the tournament. I think one was. I think it was great. And i think i think a decade is about the right amount of time i mean. I think it's good to change it out at least occasionally like i don't think london should get to keep it forever. Which obviously but the atmosphere was awesome. Obviously other than this year but you know it was always great arena. Felt like the players loved. You know they were treated like kings the doubles and singles buyers alike so yeah i think it was good. The only like we talked briefly. The only real drawback was from fourteen to seventeen or eighteen matches. Were all pretty bad. But that started last year it was a good tournament. The final was great team joke which was great last year. Obviously this year the atmosphere was made it totally different hard to get totally energized by the actual quality of play and good matches from start to finish this probably actually the best tournament. They add in london so overall overall i was good. I'm not selfishly. I wish it. Stay there because i enjoy going to the food's awesome for the media London's you with taking care of that tournament for sure. So yes like selfishly. I'm not too thrilled. But it's moving. But i'm also in turn will be intriguing but again i think ten years enough. I don't think london should get to hog it every single year. So yes so. London is no more this tournament that you said it was sort of a different atmosphere. Wise thing in this wraps up was to the last. Two weeks of fully empty stadiums eighty tour. Paris bear see masters fully empty the whole time at of like the players teams in london fully empty set. What was a pretty unusual season in terms of that in terms of the open was totally empty. The friendship and had some fans of the other european events had some fans on some days and maybe reducing. The week went on as distractions. Got tighter and certain cities rome. They added more fans as it went along a little bit different. What was this as someone watching this from afar. You know often going to lie. Determines you've been to the french open last year london pretty consistently what was what was your sort of enjoyment level of attention. A viewer as a fan of the sport. Like i found it. I i could tell like intellectually was good tennis. I was watching. But i also found it hard to engage in sort of like an almost actively as i was watching this week and obviously different of course. Atp's been in my mind as well but like even just watching like the semifinals. I was like okay. Like i know this seems dead. But it's torah final semifinal between like you know it all and and medvedev. This is a big deal. I actively think that in order to keep myself like bought into it which was weird as do it. Knowing the finish line was in sight. I think help too but yeah what what was it like for you watching much in this tennis's ear just as a fan. I was of a similar mindset. First of all. I'm just happy that we got to see some much tennis. Obviously you know. It can be argued whether or not sports and tennis at be happening. But if you just beyond that argument if you'd take it as a given that it did happen you you know selfishly. I was thrilled that we got to see four more months at tennis. When in march and april may it looks like this season might be entirely over. So i think that the fact that we actually got to a finish line in relatively successful fashion is a smashing success in itself. But yeah like like you said it was just watching without an atmosphere even i. Obviously i wasn't at any of those tournaments in person but watching on tv just not feeling the atmosphere like you usually do. It was really weird and probably similar to you. Like i'm a guy who loves the atmosphere wake for like the grandstand. I like the old. Us open for sure. Obviously that's what. I need my website after Like i'm totally like as a media member so hard for me not to go crazy like when i'm watching because i'm like a super bronco fan kinda guy who loves this year night session kind of stuff so yeah it was very. It was very weird So it was hard to get into like like again like team jovic team at all. This year was probably the best match at london. Like is hard to sense. Just how good it was because there was no crowd reaction. Not as much fist pumping. Obviously your things. So it's hard to gauge. Just how good matches were when there's no one. There's no electricity like they're normally as yeah and the guy is like like you mentioned the guys i think especially even compared to paris where there were a couple thousand fans in the stands get points or maybe less than that forget exactly. The number wasn't in paris but at the guys were muted like the celebrations were pretty muted in london. You watch like nidal. He wasn't being expressive overly emotive getting pumped up and fired up like a typical middle kind of would feed off. The crowd sits across the us directly saying that he felt like uninspired because he like loves playing in front of crowds and like. It's just tough. Which is totally fair. And i was wondering if need more of that this year on both tours like if we see more players who either really thrive without a crowded think maybe some people said about like jennifer brady on the women's side that she like maybe was especially comfortable without fans. I'm not sure if that's rossi. When they come back with that holds up or not and other people you know not just being kind of flat. I think you definitely saw some people being flat like who had like a bad year this year like others have gone on to but like golf fan like like it turned on at all during this whole comeback time so he and mafia is obviously he had injury problems but the lack of atmosphere and being able to put on a show. Definitely hurting in inquiries to query the us. Open and lost first round to andre nets. Off said there's a poll said that he felt like flat and like it's just how you know getting psyched for any of this. Like playing at the us open when it doesn't feel anything like you know america's grand slam or whatever in terms of being american at the us open. So yeah that's all that's all fair But this term. I thought was was pretty good and just talk with was a bit about it at the top. Four guys in the semifinals top foresees which is pretty rare. Actually kind of mess to have that. And then you had two finalists in team in medvedev. We're not who are like very plausible finalists who was the most recent masters champ in the most recent hard court grand slam champ and both of them beaten adult and jovic to get to the final. So that's like a super satisfying event. Sometimes round robin can feel a little bit. Fluky like somebody you know kinda like quite deserve it. But they both. I think we're undefeated going to that. Our team tank to match like essentially love but he would wanted the dried right. And so that i found very satisfying. I think method was super satisfying champ. Leg him it on like after having a pretty bad and he's actually somebody would would previously put in the earlier categories whose flat in the resumption like he was not even in the semis and york. He was not like especially impressive. he didn't think he was in great shape with bunny. He's gonna make comments. That was like i'm surprised. Everyone else was clearly working pretty hard during this time. It kinda thought we all weren't gonna working hard but everyone's like really in shakier so then and sign up for this just that point. Just we need to point out. Just how bad the us up and was like in terms of quality. Something was bad. Never made the semi close two thousand. Nineteen level and team team won the tournament and wasn't close to as good as he was in london which he didn't win drill. You or australia also didn't win or like indian wells no the us open Yeah i think you're by women's use of it was very legit especially those last two rows the most of the whole terms really solid after your pets like the first round. i rather. it's a bunch of people who weren't ready who lost first round but the men's side yet i was was messy in that whole Whole ron was a mess into the tournament. And it's understandable since they only had one. Oh yeah complete one but at the same time. The women hadn't had that much either. They played pretty well. So yeah definitely so anyway so yeah. So method of bills into his form starts looking vintage winds paris. Pretty convincingly bears percy for his third masters title already and then adds another title in as the world finals title. I was thinking as i was doing my emoji. Graphic updating medvedev's one for me today like he's results wise he's like almost exactly equal now two zero at and they both have three masters titles the world tour finals title and a slam final basically Top landman their level and both like top five-set loss of the us open final at that member of it's like i think somebody who was not super hype before he got good but he's like i think super solidified himself as a guy. Who can i say this. Not that he was if you weren't paying attention for you're like yeah of course never have great team but he was like actively bad for the first part two thousand nineteen until he got good in these last few weeks and he was somebody who is looking at the field. I mean like until he won. Bear see. didn't get any business being in the top eight mr of elite group. He really through justified his spot late. I felt like is why it's weird that their stats are so similar. Because their trajectories were totally different than up and coming since he was fourteen or fifteen and never made that run in hamburg. I think it will be nature. And he's just been like gradually getting better and better whereas medvedev was outside hardcore circles he was kind of like a no name until eighteen and then he just skyrocketed like trajectories are totally different. But it'll be interesting to see which one has a better career overall it. What do you. What do you make this of season. I guess big strokes like you sort of learned about this season. I was about this from a w perspective earlier. And w but like as much as they'd be focused episode but I i almost can draw almost no conclusions from the w. sample size with so much smaller. you know pretty spaced out like you know. Kenan was the player of the year because my vote. We're going to award ballots. Later in this episode. Kenan gets my vote player of the year. Pretty cleanly she made to slam finals the on the most prize. Money like not really disputable and she wins that Award atp we're going to take possession that direction right away but like in terms of atp. We finally got a new man slam champions waiting for for a long time however we got it in this way were like it was really literally by default where got defaulted and that opened up the rest of the field to to new blood new champions so it wasn't like particularly kodak moment. Sort of torch passed. That happened on a level. There was no like dethroning per se and then but we also got like for the third year in a row. Kind of like a new guy fourth. Even if you want to dmitrov. I think like a another unexpected champ in in london right the less chance in london ben dmitrov various a pass and now medvedev today so i don't know what those vinyls only one of the opponents has been big. Three seven of the last eight finalists have been non. Yeah that's that's a good stat. So so what do you. What do you make like. What is did this like. Meaningfully move the narrative forward this year or like anything unexpected happened. Just thinking. Like big picture zoomed out and you can go on or off court here like what like what. What did we learn about men's tennis in twenty twenty. I think i think definitely the narrative that the quote unquote nexgen is coming was advanced again. Like you said teams teams breakthrough kind of felt a little bit empty because of the circumstances. Federal isn't there in adult. Wasn't there djokovic for all intensive purposes wasn't there and took himself out it right but i think i think this london tournament was big. I mean even though it's at the end of the year and jovic mentally might not have been it as best nidal's never at his best indoors. I still think team and medvedev both beating both of them on the big stage know. I don't think that should be underestimated again. The sample size was small. But i think given that sample size. I think at least team eb took a pretty big step forward and even those very didn't play well at the us open. I think just him getting to grand slam final and coming within two points or one point two points of winning one. Yeah you know. The experience was tough. But i think that will help them moving forward to so i think all those guys are knocking on the door. Obviously city pass for various reasons and didn't have a great year but he's right there also mean all four those guys. I think have a legit chance to win one or two at the slams next year now sits about the interesting because he like he. He kind of held his own. he didn't accomplish anything new. He didn't like kind of trump. Any boxes. I think he really wants to win. A master's make slam final. Any didn't get enough of those dates. But he was very legit top ten player. He's held its ground. Demi semifinals over grand slam. Him back came back from two. Didn't get over the finish line. But he came back from two sets down to force a fifth against rwanda that was that was pretty impressive. I was legit. So yes he he did. He did what we go through. All the guys in a sec. But like yeah. I i don't know for me. I kind of feel like with london not London may challenges narrative a bit. But i kind of felt more like big picture. Things meaninglessly progress in terms of transitioning out of big three complete domination at times with obviously just with team getting on the board with a slam having a slam final that was teams verify to new younger teams not young by any traditional tenth definition younger at twenty seven. He's not any sort next gen easy to used to be like prime or even over the hill age says so with that in mind i did think like most of that happened because of the guys playing partial limited. You know schedules largely by joe. Never have one paris too but joke mission play the only big three guy who played was at all. Who's like never been like an adult level player it indoor tournaments except for the one time he won madrid indoors. Way back when So yeah i. I don't know i kind of felt like it was a little bit more like the things. Progress sort of the wheels kept moving in time on advanced. But it wasn't because of any sort of like big action was more like the drip of time. Mike that was sort of going to be inevitable. More than anything if i don't know if they'll kind of passive to me more than mike dramatic lake. You know like osaka beating serena. Us open final. Kinda like steve. Yeah like you said earlier. There was no obvious passing the torch. Moment just yeah circumstances that were definitely even if the torch did like shift if you looked like a time lapse photo of the torch in this metaphor like it shift away from the big three discernibly and it towards the tortoise. And you're guys so talk about some of those guys in the rankings to space louis the top the guys who were in london just my rep of their seasons a little bit up first longtime family member mind diego schwartzman. Who was the number eight seed in london. I believe his his year was pretty incredible. Does he have like is. He's sort of achieved. Haven't quite gotten to like ferrer. Level success tenley admits slam final and a refresher longtime of a top player. Kinda like in his like one slam. Final is one pair. Spare see title. How much more room for growth is there for diego results wise like do you think that he can push from being. You know this sort of like getting just getting into the top eight in london level guy. Can he be a meaningful top five player like a slam final contender or do you think. He's kinda hit his his ceiling. Here i mean obviously no disrespected. He maximizes his talent and his height. Which we don't need to get into people talking about that all the time. It's worth mentioning worth Every time we mentioned the height. I wanna say like he's shorter than he's listed activists poor people. He's markedly shorter than he's listed at. And it was probably what five seven listen five seven but he's probably like five four and a half or something generously. There's several. There's several women on tour who like who walked by dago. They're taller than him. and they are. Not near five seven right. Yeah anyway back to your question. I think i think getting into the year end championship is about his peak. Just they were talking about on coverage. Espn yesterday someone asked patrick backer. They're like do you think schwartman getting gilbert was like schwartzman can improve his serve. You know work on it. Even though he's five seven or whatever and macaroni and that was all conversation. But i think he just naturally just doesn't have as much firepower as as those guys and in this day and age the prototypical top ten tennis players. You know six three huge hitter off both wings. Big serve Even those surfaces are generally slow from start to finish of a full season. It's gonna be tough for schwartzman to sustain enough good enough results to break into the top five and also i think just the level of competition the dolls going to be there for a few more years joke which is still going to be there and all the younger guys schwartzman's not old but i think his competition is getting better and better and it's going to be tougher and tougher to show for schwartzman to beat those guys just because his ceiling is lower than those guys ceiling so he had an amazing year. He did awesome to get to london. Be surprised if we saw mentor. Let's just say that. I think this sort of corollary terms of serve definitely not nearly as bad as hers like sarah irani made to urine championships in for. Wpa shot in two thousand twelve hundred thirteen. I think she made the finals. It is a lot and then she never came close to it again. Like it's a lot of work like you said being that kind of player. But i do think that you know. He's going to be a super tough test for people for a for a while. He stays healthy which is not given given how physical he has to play Although he's like he really doesn't play that much like ferrara Ads comparison for as much. Diego's much more aggressive player. Dear early significantly more aggressive player and plays with a lot more sort of like. He doesn't don't send me he's like in there. Like wanna make it a war of attrition. Every time the way for rare did he doesn't want is his attitude on court. I also don't think schwartzman as clay courter even though even though some people do. I mean as there's also been clay right but i don't like i don't like discount him on hardcourts no i mean indoors. Maybe but like us open. He's always been good at. And i think australia would be a good service for him. I certainly don't think of him as a clay court specialist. Even though forever wasn't either. I think for it was more of clay-court'specialist schwartzman forever was actually best. Indoor people like discounted fare prefers almost an indoor specialists like numbers wise. He's like joe souza. Exactly the joao sousa of the top tab area. So that's that's the eggo. Spend a lot of fun having diego like irrelevant player like he's just like a really like positive like engaging super charismatic super super likable guy. All the players really like clearly adore him. I don't know that clip earlier this week. They asked they asked all of the top like who they get along with the best. Okay on of the top eight who they get along with the best mike. Almost all of them said like team. Diego yeah i also gonna mention the other. I saw those cliff. I saw one where they ask you. The best dancer ever al-said diego diego said well he didn't wanna with. I have to say me. It has today me which is absolutely true. So and as as as npr's middle east correspondent middle east and northern africa correspondent north africa correspondent below Had seen schwartzman dancing a lot in person like is dancing is israel and and be off and frequent and and again positive presence on the tour which has been a good sort of in this. Like in this weird dead feeling kind of year like having him there. I think did actually means our adopted dance for his victory. Celebration like that would be good through like petkevich style. Yeah that would be good next up someone who had i think it's fair to say as my eyes widen a texas sized twenty twenty under rublev ricky as a very famous tweet last year. You said that for that. Andre was going to have a texas is twenty twenty. You were correct. What made you think that. And what did you actually see from him. This year first of all tweets famous. Because i re tweeted it myself about and i started doing it to having sting is emojis. I appreciate getting. I mean i've always been a big black guy. I just i love forehand. Just iraq ed. Acceleration is war hand. Is i think more intense than anyone else on tour. He was injured last year and really two thousand eighteen. I think also. I don't know his exact results at the end of last year when i when i made that tweet that he was texas. I wanna talk about starting to improve a lot at the end of nineteen and i just thought you know natural progression would be to take the next step this year. I certainly didn't think you would lead. The tour entitles outright with five and in a full season. Probably wouldn't have probably joking but he he met one more one seven or eight full season right now but yeah. He was just super consistent. is back and got a lot better. His second serve is still a little bit weak but he was so good from the baseline and he defends better that he can. He can really hide that one weakness in his game so yeah just good from start to finish you know. Us open french open. Great hamburg he just start buying better on the big stage. And i think his attitude gotten better like yeah he medvedev. Were both crazy folk back in the day. Now they're at least relatively level headed so that's helped them out but yeah. I think it's here to stay stays healthy. I think will continue to be a topic guy. Yeah i think so too. An emergency like being that consistent when you are like such a ball bashar like that's like that takes some doing because i think he watches game doesn't look as much as you look actively his win loss record. It look sustainable. But like watching him play he does kind of still play like he's kind of living on the edge a lotta times like he's like going for it and he's been able to sustain that like he's somebody who you know even against the really guys you just feel like he kind of control his own destiny sometimes on court like he's the one like Littering the stats sheet in either direction said he swings so for osha forehand every single time. Like believe. It goes in with such consistency. Next up is a strong tweet. Speaking of number seven the rankings. Here sasha zverev think he's on number seven after this ornament on his lack of ranking movement. This year he's been number seven every week of the rankings this year which is impressive for somebody who like made i slam semifinal made a slam final you talked. You mentioned a little bit more about his tennis improving. I think it. I don't think i don't a lot to say but it's tennis. This year is served whereas when talked about plenty. But wanna talk about the ranking. Because i think he's an interesting case that he was grumbling impress mentioned him that sits about is going to keep his third ranking points about the ranking system. And i want to ask like what do you think about the ranking system. This year i think as we go through the rankings. Federer is what like number six or so. I think it's going to skip over here. Five or six. He's five right now okay. He's five and since about the six. Okay so what do you make of that. Federal still top ten despite not playing since january similar on the wpa At will even ward. Prowse's deputy i think ash bharti's is number one still. Despite having not played a match january. They made this these rules. You know in order not to punish players who didn't feel comfortable or weren't able to travel reasons to play a full comment of tournaments on tour. That which i was. I think i was supportive at the time and go back and look i think it was relatively okay with that as someone who was pretty hesitant an ambivalent about torque the torque back in mid pandemic play And it hasn't gone. Amazing gone as bad as it could have for sure But given how many players did show up but that was pretty close to full strength. French open let's say does it feel right to you that the rankings were so stagnant and actually it's remarkable that rube love to do so much winning to get into the london field even despite being clearly one of the best players this year because of how stacked for stagnancy yea the rankings. Were so what are you what you the ring system as we as we put a terrier no close the book on this year had is it feel to have the numbers be the way they are. What do you think it was just as so tougher. Adp to decide what to do in this situation. I think all things considered i think the the system to get to let people keep points in a like you said it does not to pressure them. Tra- traveling and going to tournaments that they didn't want to go to just to chase ranking points. I think was a good idea. All in all. I think the rankings. Look pretty good to me. All things considered obviously yeah. It's a little bit weird. Still saying better there but at the same time he sped it would be even weirder him unseeded at the australian open plan at all in the first round or something. It's also a little bit weird to see bertini being number ten in an alternate for london. When you know we probably shouldn't be in the top fifty but those are just a couple of outliers in the big picture. I think overall all things considered ratings they look pretty good to me. You know the eight. Gb hands wj. And i think they made the most of that stuff. I think i agree with that. I will add though i do. Think that this lack of upper mobility that you could sort of feel and we'll get to like when we do our awards like the most improved most. These movements are relatively modest and also like some people could collapsed and a lot of ways. But it didn't on. The tour clue who played a key kept losing. I do think kind of added to the stakes. Ambiguity ends sort of detachment. I felt matches. Okay yeah people waiting. Titles against blake is a rule like movement. Like i was saying in the big picture. Storyline the happening here kind to bumper traffic. Like there was no you. You couldn't know it can really make a break dr ahead. It would just sort of like Everyone stuck in the mud spinning their wheels. Yeah i i think that added method of 'ambiguities about the season. But i also do think like you said. I don't think there's any other way they could have done it. Mike talk about party for a second. Like i don't think if this was not especially with australia's restrictions in having their own sort of journey they've been on during the pandemic and then certainty. We're not talking about this too much uncertainty while hopefully do another show about this later but the uncertainty by the two thousand twenty one australian season for bardy to have the option to keep her two thousand points for winning the french open and not have to travel like. It's generous to her for sure but it also seems pretty fair like did not because like a lot of the aussie didn't well at least her and curious didn't do it they both took that option senate and that was reasonable enough. The one thing. I don't understand what you touched on. Roy moore is. I don't understand the keeping twenty. Nineteen london points because like everyone had an opportunity to come back and defend the only the only one who wasn't there it was fed and he shouldn't have been there anyway. Yeah it's interesting change that it's important that got a recent development yet and they adjusted that midway. I mean. I don't know i like everything kevin like. Everybody can keep their like twenty. Nineteen french open points to and even if that tournament you know even if you did play to keep your better results ray as how it worked. So that's just it's just it's just basically point in like deflation or ranking. Whatever you wanna call it it's like it's like screwing up the value of the currency of a point like a points worth way less than it used to be on the rankings and like there's just a lot of extra points for clogging up the machine and so does team. Now have to london runner up points or just know he just has well. Did he go to in one group times yeah. He went to a one both situations he was. Yeah so he would just get the one so ever the same value that he would get keep ranking ago. Yeah so that he wouldn't change. I mean i guess. That's okay just double counting tournaments do which is why like the most clear example of this was in well a couple of clear. Examples like novak didn't play paris bercy because he won it last year and he had nothing to gain so like he couldn't improve on that thousand points. Did he win last year. Say that yes he did. He did win it last year right. Yeah yeah that's why we're gonna play this year m mike and like the other example. Was jill teichmann. I believe on. Wpa like with defending champ. Like both prog and palermo. I wanna say and so she which were the first two terms back for this year and so she instead flew to lexington because she couldn't add any points those tournaments so she went to lexington where she could add her ranking and finish up there so good good you'll teichmann knowledge there so that was like that was her sorta way of like it was obviously smart. She's more comfortable. Clay quarter like. There's no point in playing those tournaments just rank perspective and she's a nike borderline top fifty kind of player like she. She has proven did So that's received. We'll see how it goes next year to. I'm looking for and we also don't know what next year's going to hold to. You know if there is a moved australian opener no australian open or some sort of something like what happens if there's no. Atp cup of those points. I'll stay under a bunch of points handed up at the. Atp cup feels with so much more than a year ago. atp cup. i but yeah it's gonna be a it'll all will be sort of interesting massive sort through. Yeah that's my way of top of what talking about various which was pretty successful. I've said enough bedroom when other past episodes and we'll have more to say later. Have more on that story coming out soon. Racket hopefully are definitely coming iraq. It soon hopefully still working on it. Players to pass play clip here actually pass with somebody who really did struggle with this atmosphere Of tennis enter the lifestyle of tennis in twenty twenty. It's kind of a life style kind of guy like he's you know really loves the exploring in the connecting with people in the photo photography and all this stuff And steve the hawk had his wings clipped by the pandemic so here. Here's a clip from stephanos. Press talking about the on we of this year and it gets it gets dying so single yourself sitting in around waiting for your match all day long not having the ability to go anywhere of course there trying to entertain you some things that they put on the players love your players lounge but people need space is difficult to be in your hotel room service all day long. I'm not having the opportunity to see your friends or because all these different cities offer you know. I have lots of people that i connect with. Wanna play tournaments and feels very very to meet phil very can honestly another person who Who sees the dark side of things but This whole thing was very difficult to handle to be honest with you. I'm very happy that i didn't break down and the players. They're going to respond the same way Technology of estate helps us connects easier. Never will know that anything grateful for that. I'm able to be with the people that i love. Every single day by giving them a coal or facetime ing them nonetheless it was what it was. I think it's still going to be a thing for while it's a different world. Let's say describe it as different world than we're very lonely britannica talk about that. What what it would like to be a player on tour during this time or just endorse it to pass himself. What will he accomplished. Didn't accomplish this year and how you would see him setting up in this group going forward. Yeah i mean likely briefly touch on earlier. I think it was a it was a decent season for city. Nothing nothing great but again semi finals of french open and briefly. Coming back from two sets down against joker. There's a lot of pressure on him. Because by winning one last year people thought that he was going to be the guy to get the grant signed breakthrough. And then you know it was probably tough when he was watching spare and team duke it out for the us open after this blown that ridiculous lead against shorts you company especially how that match wet like. It's one thing to watch them like. Wow they're great. Wow i could absolutely beat these guys right now. Yeah yeah so that was tough. And also i think the hiatus came at a pretty bad time. Bram mike he was. He was playing really well. And that february swing marsat marseille and dubai and he had had some momentum and then and then like you said he's. He's kind of an interesting character. I don't know. I just feel like the pandemic threw him off more than it did. Other people and mike. I said didn't he had some momentum one when it came and then he never really got it again coming out of it so all in all. I still think he's right there. I think he's right there at team and medvedev in terms of maybe winning a slam. You're just you know. Twenty twenty was a little bit of a law season for them. Yeah and i think that he's someone who such a great long term prospect to like just his base his game is so solid would say somebody like rube love. Rebel getting more off track in of his game and like a lot of moving parts to it with a feel like he's just been such a steady player in terms of taking step-by-step. Even you didn't take any leaps forward. This year like he held his ground he sets up well for the future and when things eventually get back to normal avenue. Recently he won't come back online and be the player we thought we thought he could be off time so at long. Not saying to sell since the past stock at all even after some uninspiring returns this year. But yeah i mean. he doesn't. His game doesn't really have any major weaknesses. Like you said. I mean a bad thing can break down every now and then but it's you know it could be a weapon good at at and great awkward player. So good serve next up Bonus bonus content here roger federer who is still in this group rankings. Wise federer did not has not played since The australian open had a couple of knee surgeries a believe pretty clearly hurt in that semifinal against jokic bitch after saving seven match points against tennessee grin and the quarter of their matches. While to happen this year it feels like lifetimes ago. What do you think the future holds for roger. Federer what do you what do you think for his twenty twenty one. Assuming he's he's been talking to come back and play australia if when it happens so i'm not i believe him. He said what ten months enough so obviously the pandemic bad for everybody but if it came at a good time for anyone. Obviously it's fed like i mentioned earlier. We still going to be seeded. Fifth and australia instead of unseeded. So he's going to have a good dry he's not going to have to play any of the big. Four until the quarters or semis. He's he's the one big x factor of twenty twenty one. I mean you just don't know what you're going to get from a thirty nine year old. Who's been on tour for twenty twenty years and went slams. Spasm played activists. Yeah he's well rested. That's a good thing. He's well rested physically and mentally. So i think he's set up to maybe have one more good go around but like i said you just know over thirty nine year old. Who hasn't played in ten months. So yeah i think that's the one x factor next year the tough yet to be the best timing in two thousand twenty where federer. Getting long injury lay-off at any year where the tourists on hold and there was no wimbledon and Sharipova who retired two weeks before like the tour stopped like getting off before like things got messy. And what was the aki also. Yes in january. Good points as well in bryant. I guess also retired this year. I feel like the. Brian didn't get their appropriate no they. They're not happy with their send off right. Yeah they retired trip mid comeback or mid. They play like worlds and tennis. I think right yeah. I think they played world team and then some people thought they might play the us open but then yeah that's open all right next. We have the top guys basically semi-finalist. We already talked about but medvedev wins the tournament. He says number four. I think right so he wins. I would have to do anything else. Proving to in terms of winning an australian open or a similar. us at the next year Is clare record is terrible. I don't think he can be considered a contender on clay but will done a ton either but it seems like a more friendly surface for him. What are you. What do you think still has Showers in the mix. Already for those two harcourt slams. I think he's just kind of still in the mix. I think i think the way you finish. The season was big. Just because now we're now we're talking about him as having had a pretty season as to having pretty bad season. I think i mean. Obviously there's pressure on to win a slam. Because that's the natural progression in his career. He's won three masters one thousand now. The fifth biggest in the world. So i think there's a little bit of pressure on him to win a slam. I don't think that he necessarily like has to next year like he has similar year. Next year doesn't want to slam. It can still be successful. I would say. I think medvedev's going to win. At least one slam in his career had predicted. It probably won't be in twenty twenty one. But but yeah i think he said he set up well for success for the next next whatever five or six years dominic thiem who still who has like. I don't know if he paper he should have done everything to prove himself already. He's slam he. you know. Beaten a doll at in australia. This area beat djokovic. Couple times at the french open in his career played well. He played well that australia. Actually i kind of he played better than than jovovich show finally in the joke which wanted That was not does not a very good match. My opinion what about what about team it feels like he sort of peaking. I guess i feel like. I feel like he's kinda maximizing his himself can't imagine. I'm getting much better. That makes sense this levels actually is obviously he's at. I don't know. I don't know i'm gonna feel about team. I was impressed but also like the same time somewhat unconvinced that makes sense. I mean i'm. I'm convinced i'm still convinced that i think he's a future number one in the one when the big three retire. Okay so so you don't think he's gonna be able to unseat them when they're still like at their current levels. I think he's so many wins against this. I think you could okay. I should say. I think he has the potential to be number one after the big three not necessarily after the big three retire should the next number one is what you're saying. Yeah okay. But i think he could do it even when they're still playing. Yeah i mean. I've i've said before that i think teams peak is possibly better than anyone's like when if he plays well and i think the only other person who in the discussion is joke of it but i think they're the clearcut to To best when they play their best. And i think team might even be better than djokovic in terms of i want to slow down. I want to slow down. The the record here for two to clarify the takes you. Peak team is better than peaked. at all. yes. Wow if dominic. I think if donald team Off both played their best. That team would win. Current twenty twenty dollar like gets you have to be like not all time at all not all the time at all. Now i think two thousand. I think two thousand nine at all would be twenty nine hundred. Nineteen reasonable reasonable. Okay that's that's billable take take or next year and the year after the pressure is on team at the french. Like that's the one that's team has really become a very very legit hardcore player. Over she's hardcore predatory is like as much as we think of as klay guy and also hardcourts are playing kind of how they're playing now but as the justice to like his hardcourt champ. Any welsh champ. Two time finalist like its australian. open finalist. like there's not much the nitpick in terms of lake clay being much better for. There's almost even no reason to think it objectively like silence sickly you can think. oh yeah. He's a clay guy but like the winds are coming on. Hardcourts isn't what he wants. He want to masters on clay. There's a lot of masters on clay you know. I totally agree. But he does have several wins over at all on at smaller klay coterminous which obviously stand out of people. Like immediate skyrocket like exactly like they teamed up right before india wells and twenty nine and they start winning everything on hard courts. I looked at all quickly here. Nidal interesting year for him. You lose quarters of australia to team. Doesn't play the. Us swing as a wind. Acapulco then stops doesn't play the cincinnati new york double plays paris near a at the center. Memorably but comes back in troy ounces joke mitch in the final who making a real push playing playing bear. See i was like oh. He's like talking about Graphics again at all one is like the most sort of lopsided one because like he goes out like he is too long to fit on one line now at the french open thirteen titles like is a line break in the middle of those secretive emojis at this point but he has none in shanghai bear. See and walter finals. So he was he really seem to be making a push to win these those two tiles at aluminum baresi and london. This year cam short but i like the. He's like hunting. He seems like he seems healthy. Seems hungary i think it's like a super even if you only won two titles this year and not the poco and roland garros like i think it's a super encouraging year for like long term long term meaning like next two three years furniture. That like he's still like he still wants. He still wants to accomplish the sport. Yeah i think sim- similar to fetters. Case like i don't think the pandemic was necessarily or five months off is necessarily a bad thing front at all. Obviously this was healthy. He's ever been in london at this time of year. Having moving moving forward like one and two years down the road think his relative amount of breasts this year is going to help them a lot similarly though similar similarly i could spend like one person. Most disappointed with london showed up. Oh yeah yeah yeah like just it was such an opportunity like this is the first time he's gone into london with a full tank. Jovic was as we saw. A little vulnerable wasn't great. He didn't play portland london but he wasn't he wasn't had his absolute best obviously better. Wasn't there adding. This was probably in all likelihood nidal's last best chance to win this tournament. Which is really the only the really the only super important thing that's missing on his resume. So that i would say the season ended on a little bit of a missed opportunity. Note but when you're thirty four years old and you win another french open. It's pretty darn good season. Not a bad year. No especially the house partially schedule. He played yeah like in the goat debate. Like i do think. The lack of his indoor record specifically his urine champions record is like the biggest knock on him in obviously nitpicking. This twenty times slam champs resume. But that's the one sort of like Blank in his in his field Hear my dog barking steady. All right drug. Which i want you to sort of like go into the terry want. But my question will be was a good year for novak djokovic and the criteria are going on and off court one of the big picture here right so he wins he. He leads serbia to its first ever historic. Atp cup title like all matches pretty single handily won that tournament very about it. A lot of serb showed up in sydney is feels like a while ago but this was a big thing for service year. He backs up winning. The australian open ugly compared to like compared to nineteen. When he wanted ashley smoking rafa in the final he kind of wins ugly to beat pretty injured. Federal in the semis was not the convincing win. Actually for novak and team in the final to win yet. Another australian open Then he comes out of the corentin wind. Cincinnati pretty convincingly as like overwhelming favourite when the us open or sorry. I should back up. Then during the quarantine he hosts. Instagram lives with Jafari who's talking about like purifying water with positive thinking selling ridiculous bogus supplements lots of nonsense. Being st there. That was that was not great. That was a big issue. The time he hosts adria tour which you know about asia tour. We'll superspreader event if with the right intentions it's repeatedly Still was like incredibly softly done and was a car crash in some ocean waiting to happen until until dmitrov tested positive and several other players including djokovic as well and his wife i'll testing positive there after the second leg what was five legs got called off. Then he goes to the us open and he goes to new york wind. Cincinnati gets the fourth round of the us open against krino booster. Hit hit the line judge in the throat with lonzo. Throw the ball. He walks behind him in anger. Gets defaulted comes back wins. Rome is playing pretty well at at the french open obviously supposedly come back to in that match and then gets utterly smoked in the final by all result. I did not see that score on coming at all like that was like people. I thought i was going. That mentioned pretty sure but like there are plenty of reasons to think joke of could contend for that title for sure to lose oh too in five With the oh and the to being very active obviously was With something then. He plays vienna completely tanks. After clinton the year number one against the nato then he comes in plays. London doesn't play great. Make semis but loses to team in In round loses to medvedev in round robin and then team in the semis express us a lot of support for for zverev. Tough to stay strong this week. Also got some Some eyebrows raised some is rolled. Had was this. A good year for novak djokovic. I think you could do an entire podcast which you almost just did you. And books could be written just about twenty twenty season. I would love to write a joke book. The short answer is i on court. Yes it was a good season. I think we're going to get into awards later but me personally joke inches my player of the year. I'm so how how. How bad of a season can be when you're when you're that but Okay but i'm going stop you there because like if you had told me after cincinnati that he would not win a slam. This year another slam. I would have been shocked because he was such a prohibitive favorite to win the us open before he took himself out of it. I like and so for where he set the bar. I i just think he fell short of it in some ways. Well yeah i mean. I mean yes. He was on pace to maybe have like one of the best seasons ever right and he kept pointing out on twitter. People hated this until the french open. He had not lost a match in which the file ball was struck towards the net. Or whatever through phrase. I wanna say he deep deep deep into the season. He was undefeated undefeated. Yeah definitely he missed an opportunity to have a legendary season. I would say but you know even if you're the world number one and expectations are so high like if you win. Thirty three percent of the grand slams that are played in the season. It's not that bad anyone to masters out of the very few that were played. Yeah the last month he missed. Some opportunities both is doing in french. Open space at all being too good so so yeah. I think it was good season but not but yet missed opportunities to be legendary. I forgot one other sort of awkward development and his year. Recap is worth mentioning. I think it's the p. t. p. a show in which he started like a breakaway player organization that is kind of disappeared. It's unclear what if anything they're doing right now. Maybe they're like plotting behind the they're going to ramp up in the office and i don't know but like now rejoining the eighteen he he got nominated to be on player council again. He's like hasn't refused that even though like eighteen made it pretty clear that if you're starting a breakaway insurgent organization we know you're not allowed to be part of our structure which seemed like a fair line for them to draw. Yeah i it's it's a lot it's a lot in both columns i think the one main word summarizes twenty twentieth bizarre. Yeah but but i think on court it was good not great it was it was compelling compelling. Yeah it was a lot. It was all right so you mentioned awards. Let's go through these awards that normally we have the when we do this. We always do the ballot in our year. Normally in my apartment show After the marathon. But we don't have the ballot yet that mutates about this week so they're everything's could rent a little behind usually have their earlier in the year two so the ballot is not out yet. We're gonna kind of guest nominees. We may have missed some people who especially for this first woman comeback player of the year possible. Not thinking some people but our shortlist is Who ricky we have to canadians. Anyone else here. Yeah all i could come up with. Where the canadians at ron. I didn't look beyond the top one hundred. I don't think it should be outside. Top one hundred one hundred. You probably didn't come back right. Well i don't think people really came back that much. I mean but people you know. It's hard to judge this year. I i. i think there's a lot of opportunities next year. Obviously federer early front runner for comeback player of the year and twenty twenty one players. Who have been sort of off like like songa like a even clare. Kelly yeah ms rank is ranking is still good because of the new ranking system by murray maria ella murray artist one comeback in the nineteen probably so how many times you can come back But yeah i. I would give it to you. I'll give you the pospisil. Actually get i was gonna say possible all kids. His year was really good. obviously he beat. He hatching off at the last year so like he was already starting to come back to you. But it's like it's like a slow march last year last year. He didn't play at all until wimbledon. Right now yeah so. It's come back started last year. Yeah and continue to look for. He missed most of last year. Which i think makes them legit this year like this year. He be a at the which was big big upset at the time. He ron each yeah. He went ahead of me. Those were like legit. I did not. I remember thinking. Like 'cause those are the two players who went deep in cincinnati besides djokovic rb and ron and like there's gonna be a good though section the draw possible to be both of them and i always been super high on fashion as a tennis player like i just really like his game. I think that he's got a big upside. I've seen good doubles player at a young age and like big strong powerful guy and if he's staying healthy like there's no reason it can't be a top twenty player So yeah so so yeah. He made steps continued. I think he's a good pick and also don't forget that he pushed future goat jahic center to a third-set tiebreaker in the sofia final. Yeah i was actually surprised watching that match which i- dvr prosperity that pospisil hadn't title. They were like both of them for their first title. Possible hasn't won a title yet. There are some weird numbers need to be how tiles various players at one. And i guess i once they said i was like right. He hasn't singles title But you know. I saw make a washington final way back. When like he's been like a when he's been held wimbledon quarter-final like he's done. You know things that are title equivalent level accomplishments A bunch of time so isn't short of that. He hasn't gotten to fifty yet. A sort of a strange thing. There was some they want to say like. I saw a stat that like this is random but like query has won more titles in dmitrov cheese queries want a ton of title. He's one like ten or eleven titles at the. Yeah anyway it that saw that and like was like wow people would not guests that like you just presented that as a who's more titles quarrier dmitrov but anyway so titles imperfect metric in some ways speaking perfect. You mentioned yanic sinner. We talk about your texas is prediction for under rubel for this year I think it's fair to say the biggest hopes for twenty twenty one or on on yanic center a center center would definitely be my recipient of the texas is twenty twenty one. Unfortunately i was one of the people on ruble evan. One hundred percent of the tennis population is on senator. What do you think of of my heartache. Which i put on this podcast before that center is this is unfair to him to burn him with any of this. I realized what i'm saying anyway. I've said it before so it's already out there. That center is going to finish his career with more grand slams than any active player besides currently active player than the big three. And then i'll put for. I includes like he's just like everybody out there. He's gonna be the boasts essel. I i respect the expect the boldness. It's i mean. I think it's too early to say that with confidence. Surely but it's not. It's not out of bounce to make that kind of prediction. The talent that levels off the charts. I mean i would. I'm not predicting it myself. I would go team but very much respect. The prediction team. One is a head start. Speaking of keener. He's one of our people shortlisted on our own list of possible. Most improved players ricky. Can you read through. Who is on our list and they're The ranking jumps they made in this adjusted ranking system or this tweaked ranking system from Twenty nine hundred twenty again. I in our most improved contenders spur. Twenty twenty we have jahic center the aforementioned who started the year at seventy eight and jumped to thirty seven. That's pretty good fifty-one spots in this of year. That's pretty good. yeah. I'm not going in any particular order. No debit fokina moved up from eighty seven to fifty two also jet. I haven't seen that much of him like i. I was added him. I was like you should put davidovich on their fakih. I've seen almost none of him playing or maybe twice. But i feel like somebody who have you seen it much. What do you think of his his upside. I haven't seen him in person much at all at the french open last year term. I think i thought when he went junior junior the french. I wanna say early made a deep junior run. I've seen him on. tv a few times. He had that epa collapsing schwartzman at one of those indoor tournaments recently. I mean from what i've seen so far just like solid like he's not big you don't have tons of firepower but he's just like you know just solid baseliner probably pretty good on every surface. He's got good like a good like karate kid villain look about him. Well not like senegal but not their opposite. Sunoco is ralph macho and diminish makina is by can bill east africa. We have casper rude from fifty four to twenty seven message it. That's good we have ugo. I'm bear fifty seven to thirty one or two titles. I think we have an outsider. Who's not gonna win it. But i do like that. You throw him out there. Salvator caruso ninety six to seventy six. But if i was proud about inclusion improved a lot more than that i i gotta say when i saw caruso i was looking at the rankings. And he was like he was seventy six like he had to come from faraway seventy six but he gets. He'd maybe we can look his activity like when he got into top hundred for the first time. He's he's not a name people. No i don't think he's now. Almost top seventy five. Yeah i i'm sure last volkert a ton of challenders right and there's a huge number of challengers in italy. You can kind of go and runs and win things but this year. He like relevant at like french open. Us open right right like on the biggest tournaments last but certainly not least. He made a late charge. Lorenzo musetti another italian. Yeah three hundred. Sixty two hundred twenty seven. That's pretty incredible. And he's like i don't normally. I don't ever nominate sub pop on her players for this award. But had it been real full season he would have definitely gotten to be top hundred like no doubt about you. He almost like well he would win. Like wherever that reward is like w like eighteen newcomer right like is that like who youngest and the top hundred. He would win that award. It had it been full season. If i think i forgot we have. We have ruble have gone from twenty three to eight and shorts also enforcement from fourteen two nine. Yeah it's rule of is is that i think so okay. I'm gonna try to here. So i think the obvious from owners in terms of their oddsmakers for this award will be rule of and center. I'm going to surprise. The my vote is actually gonna go to on mbare. Because i feel like unbear- fit what i like to have as the criteria of this award is somebody who like change their narrative. I say this is what i just about. Center like i knew center was going to be really really good and so him like ticking up forty spots in the rankings a winning a two fifty and making a second quarter like doesn't surprise me in any way i like improved. Not just to be about like and you and you and you kind of call. Obviously it really well but you people knew rib levels for maturity number one. Whatever for me unbear- with me was like pretty off radar in terms of like being a you know in the mix to like be relevant player. He didn't make a wimbledon fourth round last year but was not somebody who i felt like was a yes super relevant guide watch and now he's like he pulled up a lot of big wins this year titles were were strong good over sits the possible even hamburg and that was or somebody in hamburg number and hugged with mom afterwards and iconic moment. It sets possum paris in three breakers. Yeah right it's right in bertie. Yes he should somebody who he fits like my definition whereas i liked alley votes for this and i have voted for this war in the past like two people who change their like trajectory not not to like not even like zadie number one slam chiampou like newest coming for a while like made huge leaps filling potential like improved to be like actually like made something from kind of nothing. Yeah i definitely agree like changing. The narrative is a big part. Of like i would eliminate steady just because he made the biggest jump but like he was like breaking on the scene. Like similar to you. I feel like improvement is like someone who already knew about who then just like suddenly got better right like a gen brady in the women's side. I feel like kicking around the top hundred. Well now makes us slam semi more than mike. More than a tech who might win this award. Contact with people who knew slam even center to a lesser extent. Like this was like his breakthrough like he didn't he didn't like stall out and then suddenly get better again like this is just his initial trajectory up and like you said you're not that surprised about it. Personally i would go with discuss my guy this year so i would give it to him. I just think going from twenty three to eight especially given circumstances that you touched on earlier like it was so hard to move up this year in their anything and he still skyrocketed into the top. But i think unbear- would be my runner up choice. Like i definitely don't disagree with that but i love just again like it's about the rankings being so stagnant like had it been a full season he absolutely would have passed poss- he would've passed vera he would pass to federer ranked. Yeah absolutely top five. Maybe even past medvedev the number four and they would have been within reach and in a regular season hat. He kept up his his way. And then Quick shout coach of the year. You sort of alluded to my vote earlier but my vote was absolutely for nicolas massu who i feel like obviously started on twenty nineteen with with team but like he transformed him into this like real lake consistent force. Great hardcore player is you know. Just made him into like yeah this. He got him a slam at and he's a new newer on the scene. Coach was different than mike. You know apostolos sits posser out of senior. Whoever else you might want to give the award. Who's been on the scene for a while. Like i or you know mary vita like i think that. Like for me. Messi was a super easy coach of the year pick the. Yeah i love. I love how passionate he is to get. Yeah he's engaged. I like that also. I think i would also vote for massive. But i think there are other good. Candidates like medvedev's goes joel's cervera. Yeah she'll survive. Yeah you know fernando the say a rebuffs coach And i guess center might work with a lot of people. But i guess ricardo piatti estimate with him being there. I just think it's an easy thing to give to. Like sort of an. And i say this i'm gonna pivot not a player because a lot of times you know. It's easy to pair those awards together. Coche player of the year and he's a reasonable way to think about it in some level although improvement element to it as well player of the year. I think on paper it has to be jovic. Okay let's say On paper pause quickly get through relatively quickly but there are three guys who wants slams right. The slammed got three. The three cents as flipped three-way within the top players. So t team one. Us need all one french djokovic. One shine open team could have added the fourth biggest title of the year which was world for pharmacy. The filed today to method of I think you can eliminate all from the conversation pretty quickly. yes the titles. He only you know he didn't only made one slam final. Yeah was was five. Hundred in acapulco so i think that all can pretty easily get your kit booted And then it's down to team versus medved team versus jovovich and mean reasons for teams that he you know made a final in. London made a final in in melbourne. He bezerra breakthrough kind of guy. Who's doing things for. The first time i think you have to go djokovic show unless and this is completely plausible unless you like knock points for like his court nonsense which i think is ashley vowed. Then do i think player of the year is kinda like kind of like a hall of fame vote. Where like you to take the totality of. Somebody's everything and maybe you know you look at this and say adria tor between getting defaulted between you know whatever nonsense like maybe that hurts joking bitches resume What that said. I think i and then i add this like i feel like i was appointed by his ear to Element if you told me he was gonna win. No more slams in august. Like how i would be like. Oh this is what's gotten completed which was partially for one of his slams. But anyway i agree. I think i think job is going to win it. And i think when he does the settle fan base will try foul about all his off court. Transgressions should have penalized him. But now i agree. I just think on the court. He has the same number of slams nidal and team and also got two masters one. Thousands us undefeated through mid october right. Yeah and also had a runner-up which team also had a grand slam runner up. But they also had a head to head matchup in a slam one in a slant. Vital in djokovic so i think when you factor all of that in just the encore results are too good i would say normally. I don't like to overreact. Just one match but i think if team had one today i would have given it to him because i think there. I think a masters i think a year end championship would more than offset jokers to masters one thousands. Not in my opinion yeah. I've met I there's reasons to give it to to team if you want like. I said the threat novelty of it too. It's kind of nice to like Probably not fair like both scale a little bit to give it to somebody news differently. Someone who like like you said it's a change. The who finally broke through this like big three stranglehold eve again. Even if he did it at a grandson without a beat a big guy on the way. Yeah i think. I give it to joke of its tube but like but like with a bit of an eye just like you. This year was a mess. Novak fascinating mess but a mess. And here's your trophy. Factor player of the year is like even a discussion like after where the player of the year stood like in march and really even after cincinnati. Yeah the fact that it's even a discussion was mind boggling. Yeah that he did. He did so much to lake to jeopardize his his his contention for this word right. Yeah it's it's pretty remarkable ricky. You've done nothing to jeopardize your standing here. You're still tremendously an mvp in our minds. Thank you very much for balance here. Where can people will follow you that you're working these days currently no your tennis. Major student stuff now nuisance here. Yeah yeah doing tennis majors and tennis balls and my on site the grandstand and dominator on twitter. You can see more good projections like rube. Like met like medvedev one in the world tour finals the nato. Atp finals had that thanks for having me. hopefully Hopefully australia will happen. And we can talk then and hopefully. Hopefully the marine corps marathon will happen and we can preview the 2021. Turin adp final-status trust. We'll see lots of stuff up in the air. It's gonna be interesting next year. Thank you very much ricky. Thanks ben so my sincere. Thanks to deep friend of ncr ricky diamond for coming on this show to wrap up the year. That was in men's tennis. We're gonna keep doing shows four. 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Wimbledon Day 10 - Mary Carillo guests; Serena, Simona Stroll; Federer vs. Nadal preview

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Wimbledon Day 10 - Mary Carillo guests; Serena, Simona Stroll; Federer vs. Nadal preview

"Hi I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova Mats Wilander. I'm Stan Wawrinka. I'm Lleyton Hewitt. I'm Andy Murray and you're listening to the tennis podcast. We've just had two semi finals of Wimbledon and they've lasted about a couple of hours title all a bit of a disappointment however we come Harry who eh the both semi's were done in two hours and twelve minutes something like that's really got off the court in under an hour looked great we had we had a shot of her. In the call of my match. A tight shot of her is very frightening predatory frightening. I've never I haven't seen her. This focused all you really yes. Yes and what do you put that down to because we've we've had this number of times now reaching Grand Slam finals and we've kind of assumed mm should end up winning. Them happened including me. Yes yeah I mean I remember being here a year ago. When we were ahead of the curb a final we also she when she would win? Yes action. Wait a minute rewrite history certainly me not to my detriment anyway you call Kirpal. I think on the record wasn't playing that well lost you sorry and she's playing so much better this narrow similarities in the she's had a relatively easy run to the final sort on paper two years in a row. The only top thirty players she's faced to get to the woman is Julia. Come up with that. Get get this stuff from so what has happened to Serena them because when she turned up here and throughout the year she's had this horrible knee problem. She's looked in a really bad way. We've we've actually had conversations on this podcast. When we've said is she he actually GonNa make this record? She going to match it. is she going to beat it. Now I think well I'm expected to do it and match it here but she didn't look that good in the first round here so what's happened now I- She's one of those players who can play their way into perform into shape the tennis all the tennis playing actually helps her and she said as much when she got off the court today. She said I needed mattress and now I've got them and I'm playing well. I'd be shocked if she doesn't win this from but I also pictured beat Naomi Osaka and let's let's open. I don't don't take my word but it is like that. Isn't it with her. If I mean we've always said it's like John McEnroe and anybody Serena Williams. If she's on a game she wins but I must say at the start of this tournament. I probably probably wouldn't have necessarily said that because I just didn't think this was in her on e.. Bay Th persuaded me to pick tournament dig myself. I know I picked to win the title correctly but I but but I also I was getting again disprove my theory that I gave to Matt about why Roger Federal Will Win Tomorrow again traffic on the Dow I told him I don't do hunches <hes> but I had a hunch Serena Williams idioms would win this title. <hes> almost by law of averages to thirty-seven-year-old with five children between them are going to win low due to but but I I didn't really federal is going to beat Jackovitch Nidal Jovovich four in the same slam for the first time ever aged thirty seven throws it anyway. I think he's GonNa win. Discount the challenges Roberta. I just don't forget Robbie Bats. The Man Ravi Bats is an upgrade on yesterday's rap nick that I cannot but yeah I. I didn't feel like there was any logic to thinking that Serena Williams would really win here because it's act party auty was playing so well. There's meat in the in the quarter. So have you seen a difference. She's going along yeah. I think I thought Syria played very well today and she robbed streets of any time to create variety sports. Streets has got a lot of shots. I really like her a lot. I like watching her play and compete but you have to have time to play the game that she plays and Serena didn't give her any of it. Just took up. All the oxygen on Center Court Serena's very first press conference tournament when she was in such a good mood sort of poking fun at the possibility of Serena. That's what convinced me that she's in a much better place in Paris but she kept saying that she was better. Her knee was better but today it was the first time I saw her and thought she is moving properly again. She was all jettison. Tim Really be an assist Andy Murray if she does win twenty four today certainly certainly to the mixed doubles player so I think that's true and and look when Serena was winning her majors in single shoes also winning a lot of them in doubles with her sister and that was great practice in great fun relaxed her. It made her feel better about being at a tournament for two weeks so yeah I buy into that. Let's face it. The story lines at this year's Wimbledon have been a lot better than a lot of tennis right. I mean for me. There have been a couple of really interesting matches not as many as I would have liked but the actual stories cocoa dominating the first thing Serena and Andy playing together mix now Serena going after twenty four majors the stories. Have you seen a lot of great tennis matches here. I haven't I mean curiousness. The Dow stands at stand up down Evans Risk Don Evans but we'll go away from this tournament thinking of it as this vintage tournament because there were these story lines that you can cling to aren't I mean I taught earlier about Italy hallowed as much of the year in Doha and yet today's was just the damn pissed of squids it was it was good for twenty minutes to love after twenty minutes to really competitive games and then what happens to Philippa on stage Oh boy that was exhausted today but yeah I mean she CPA fit isn't she had into me. People keep telling me she's fit it to me. She looks like she could eat a few more. Hoagies have a couple more beers less than she used to be but I think the main problem is stress. When I look at her out there we've got the courtside commentator talks and you look at her and even in the second game how up was really grabbed she out there today and she was having a go at everybody including everybody in a box and all the way through the match she looks on on the edge of the ball obese now but she was just on the right side of nerves? I do feel that if something untoward happened if things started to go against her she could have completely but Spitzer leaner on the other hand was totally inhibited. She looked as so she was just thinking too hard about it all and she wasn't just letting her game happen and I mean she's a good player. She's way better than she showed today and we've seen too much of this. She's way better than she's ever really shown in a major I mean we've seen some big collapses from. This is a breakthrough on yeah this is this is a breakthrough. They give him what happened today is she. Is She doing taking the positive so is she being into a towel what do you. Do what you do if if your coach what do you do that I I demand a raise. I mean we've watched her. I I did a I was with Sue Barker on the bieb celebrates okay which was lovely lovely. I just saw it. I WanNa know what you said I was magnificent and concern but we showed Finley no warming up and she was attacking the ball inside the baseline and I thought to myself yeah. She's got to do that because she can't live on the baseline with alip and then she didn't do any of that at all I mean she's got to be extremely disappointed. She said in her press afterwards that after match like this she just wants to be alone and I don't blame her. I heard is it. No one half was there weird content coming out of gems sadly <hes> and yet a year and a half ago I I saw her face hal up and just totally take her apart in in Rome and she won three successive straight-sets matches against an I heard from her coaching team that she believed that toe to toe she had the bigger game than Halibut and she thought she could overpower her. You know not not with massive strokes but does she wisconsin net more than two. I kept waiting for her to get to get herself there and what she did but today there was none of that today today it was hal up who was taking all the chances all the initiative and swiftly and it became a scorer and I you don't win major matches and you have to believe in your served and I don't think Calico is does either but fiddle Lena. They're much it's better returners and servers and that always makes me a little jumpy like you just want wondering if they're gonNA keep it close and hold and and you know create tension in the beginning of a match and if that doesn't happen you're right. I just got stung on my lip hip. What do we do? I didn't de ice medical timeout hurt one two three for five there were concerns over whether Catherine wittig would ever walk again and I'm happy to say that having found shed load of ice and additional Beer Nathan is basically the entire region of Catherine's face. We we all back tell you what she is. One plucky Brit that's right there really is she'd gone to five sets and she'd have nearly one definitely late. Are you okay okay. I'm I'm glad I believe in divine signaling. This is sort of theme practical real life equivalent of what's happened to me on twitter over the post hours. Yes yes twitter although the universe into play offs events in dogs and then Matt David dispersed seek is David came back heroically. I won the race with a small cup of Ice Matt returned with a pint of ice and and two dogs into you because it was all about I was asked he said that'll be five quid. I said if you need I tell you we don't like her that much. If you need somebody stayed you've got David Lawrence and I have not moved that fast at least twenty five. Let's say well. Let's try and take Catherine's mind about office. Talking about Lena's visit Lena's hopes for the future <hes> no I mean I am wondering whether she would ever crack it to be honest at the very highest level or or if or whether it is going to be a situation whereby she incrementally builds these blocks and then finally has enough that to to do what she wants to do and I really like it when people trust in their own serving that's me is it's such a big deal. It's it's what has made so many great players great and it's fiddling can develop that in a big way at times or serving is really keen and that's when she plays her best because it takes the pressure off of the rest of her you know I think if she does that if she can if she can work on that she'd be a more relaxed competitor right she she just looked so high strung tunnel time out there. It is hard to what yeah it was. <hes> some of the Hallett though cancer cancer is the one who let us know via the coach Donyell debris yeah I ended up bringing that out on on match point because she targeted Wimbledon which really came as a surprise but a refreshing one great yeah and as I said on yesterday's focus at the time I speculated that maybe it was a <hes> a deflection tactic to take the pressure off her title defence at the French Open. Will I mean maybe it was in part but equally also seems like they they really meant business which given that she didn't. She can play a warm-up event by spoil did she. <music> came Hillary came here and practiced before she was weeks before the tournament. Someone pick up that sentence. They just imagine do podcast after you've been to the dances local anesthetic. That's what concerns dating would right now. This is heroic beyond the call of duty is all right listening. This twisted her ankle. Yes yes and attempted to limp on this. That's that's what I it's flooding back. Yes one of your lips is much larger than the other and you bash on when Rudyard kipling would be so proud. I am couldn't be prouder so Serena Williams against Simona Halep in the final. It's nine one yet. Mary give some owner Hal fans a reason to believe that she will win would have to happen here. She had to play with great freedom great freedom. She'd had to return Serena which I don't think it's ever been easy for you know she has had the wingspan that some people have and and she's going to have to hold I mean Serena on serving and returning especially today she there was just she she just did not give streets about chance and that's what helps helps gotta hope hope that her form drops a little bit. I was GONNA say machine. Does she. Actually need Serena's now. I think she needs help from Serena Echo share with us <hes> couple of days ago. I think his view was well. It curb you can do it last year and surely she'll be watching that much. It's a better Serena this year without question but surely she'll be watching that for Daniel. Debris will be watching that final back from last year. That's the kind of template is it not Connecticut. Can I just say that. Darren Cahill has been around an awful lot. I know he's not the official coach but Boise and unofficial when I came up here to to speak with you they they were huddling together and they were I saw them after the match doing the same thing he was with Kate and I know he's it's a sub Rosa type situation but he's very much the greatest unofficial coach ever yeah exactly you might say. Patrick another one <hes> Patrick March Douglas Still stood down as a coaching consultant after all these years module. It doesn't seem to mind so yeah he he. He's obviously going to be giving some tips. What do we think anybody who got ninety this year in O._C.? Serena but it was a great match really good. I I think it was good. It was good enough and close enough that Haluk Pool shake components from and that was a match where Serena needed the Dan yeah she going into the check but no it's not panned out Britney be they won the second set and then Serena put a hair and abandon that you remember this your odd man with great magnificently all down the line shots today. They were insanely good. She was the one wrestling control of the rallies but I don't think she'll be able to do that against Serena. There's a power imbalance there in terms of from from the back of the call an interesting point because usually I could be way if basic but I get the feeling that Serena doesn't tactics. She doesn't bother with opposition research. She just goes out there and says I'm the best. I'm going to find but I today she did. She'd really done a research on stress over. I think I honestly I give credits and Patrick Mariah for making her more aware of her opponent's. Enjoy you saying that he he will do a good civic case study and maybe what would he do what he put down sort of a bunch of bullet points honestly. I don't pretend to know what their how they how they go about that coaching process. I think more more than anything I agree with got Patrick at every match pretty much she goes out and plays is in her hands so I think she'll just keep that in mind and keep it simple and and and I think how for her part has to pretty much do the same thing she gets inside your own ahead too much and that's when things go for her. She will handle the nerves of the situation better than she has against cover against push cover the Australian Open Against Vinci back in the day when she was trying to get the come into four G. think or just GonNa have to wait and see on that one. I mean what do you what does it mean for. Both of them per hal neither help nor Serie has won a title this year so Wimbledon will be the first and so it's it's digest that a little bit. It's nice to go through a tournament and not lose. which is what Syrians very used to doing so I think I mean I give a great edge to Serena on this one? I I really do I mean this is. She's been waiting eating a long time to tie. Margaret Court's twenty four majors. She's been waiting a long time you know since she's become a mother she hasn't won a tournament and that's got an and she only seems to care about two week tournaments any longer you know so that puts a lot of pressure on it but she should go in there feeling very very good about this one very good about this. I mean how it how it plays with freedom you know. She says she's having a chill year which actually bothered me when I first heard her say that they why the hell do you WanNa chill you. You didn't like many happy did you. Don't like a happy how I that's right. We talked about this at the at the French Open in particular or is it any being. I don't want to be happy. You'll whiting jolly from yeah yeah. I don't like pleasant people. At least that's not true. I think you know what I mean. I don't she's incredibly frying Kim response. She said yet she said do you think you might be happy and she was like maybe yes. I mean it's great. I just want her to be hungry. I if you if you're happy and hungry then I'm in. I think she's hungry. For this target. There is a shift compared to wrote on forgotten about and then Um and just in the nicotine time okay so I think just just bring a full stop to this. I feel that this will be the most satisfying of the lot if Serena wins it sure given and it would match the record and as you say she would have her daughter in company under at being there must have been dancing aheads eve even as to whether it would happen and she just hasn't been fit if she is finally fit you know and ready to go and she wins her twenty four th at Wimbledon which tournament she loves <hes> Yeah it could be. It could be a very special. I I'm I'm and frankly I'm ready for this whole twenty four thing I want that to be over. There's some story lines that are I'm really tired of. You know the next Gen storyline please. It can bury that if Wimbledon team hasn't killed that I mean that just else is not holding up thirty two year olds the newest Jen in this tournament as things stand the tree story Merrington which included in Viti round up about the next Gen by the BBC The neely I mean he sort of Illich at the semi final line-up any sort of is I mean he's lost about four hundred years ago but at the time <hes> right these blocks Roger Federer against RAF on the Dow eleven years on Mary. Where were you back in the day I was right here? I was right here watching that thing. It was magnificent. Where does that stunned in your list of greatest matches you've seen I haven't seen many better? I that one I everyone compares with against the Borg McEnroe match which I also thought was pretty pretty good too. It's right up there. I I honestly like watching them. Play on grass more than any other service the clays to predictably Nidal's to win the hardcourt matches are great. Some of them are great the two thousand seventeen Australian Open. They were both coming back from injury from being gone for half a year so that was kind of fun the U._S.. Ninety exists there U._S._O.. Ever happened which is our annoyed shirt so being themselves dally bluntly. This is the year a full circuit of the other majors since coming coming back from injury and still we haven't had that use open but this is the only place where their head to head in majors is is Rogers to cease to in one on grass at Wimbledon against the dull otherwise it's ten in three for Rafeh described Serena's is if you don't see that in rough is oh absolutely absolutely and I genuinely thought ROBB. I had a chance to win Wimbledon last year match against drug which was that is one of the best matches Zyppah I know you you you. The pod talks about recency bias. I thought that was an unbelievable. That's one of the best matches I've ever seen previous match. The poetry match for me was one that was another view that ever seen and yet I walked out of those matches yesterday and my initial reaction is well. Rafael Nidal is playing the best tennis that I've seen at this year's Wimbledon and he's the man who's beaten at curious <hes> in the second round which is such a tough draw only said he's lost. He's dealt with all he's beaten. Eight and Songa he's beaten everybody else. We were talking about <hes> he's he'll. He's been looking like he's been starved for about a week and just giving a slab of meat to just feast on and he's going out and so it's a court having had his first bite of it and <hes> and he's only allowed to to have the rest after he's won his match <hes> but he does have that carnivorous look tune he does however knees sloth in the Guineas Account Saturday but should've been stung by a wasp giants <hes> he spent most of the film chained up unjustly chained up in the scene at the end and he's wearing a superman t shirt doesn't quite fit him for the duration of it doesn't quite fit I mean he's bursting out of it and as we've seen the end he breaks out of it and does this sort of on the pirate ship Gutter on the pirate ship. Does this gusher. We should have a a rule about guests in the future being goonies literate. This is wonderful and it will ruin that is on the down to me. This night is sloth breaking the chains and letting a gut a role on pirate ship. I can verify that and yet. How do I come off this and yet I found myself describing an account remember who was two straight off the cord? I ended up thinking that Nidal was GonNa win and then as I started to articulate what I thought was going to happen to my my colleague. I ended up thinking no fetters GonNa win and the reason fedor is GonNa win another hunch. No it's not a hunch. What is it it is? It's the words of Roger Federer which are GonNa on a playground tennis and it's Nidal sorry false fords. That is the best moment of women no name if if somebody said well if canoe curios really got focusing train each efe does not exist his cabinet finish your thought I Sydney realized in Roger Federer's mind there is no way he can beat refounded al by playing any rallies whatsoever of any notes so we just went he will come out and O'Neill site rallies not having them. I'M GONNA go. I'm GonNa hit out you know. I don't even care if a lose but I ain't GONNA lose every point on my racket and you're GonNa have to stay but you're going to have to deal with it and if I start connecting you're done for and so you're picking fetter federal because I from the second set on just today after he played that so so I said Nishikori was brilliant. Yesterday I described this back. Can the federal hit just still can't quite get over it then the purity of the hit and and from then on it was like a switch and I just feel that he's founded okay right now and he's going to he's going to realize again. They'll back can thing from the two thousand seventeen Australian Open and then those thrashings he gave no doubt shortly afterwards. I think that that is the federal we're going to see tomorrow. I think Nidal is going to fight fire with fire because he knows I saw him in practice today. He knows that he can't allow himself to to be bullet so that just GonNa go out to each other. That's why I think grass is the best surface contests it's a leveller gorgeous and they're the both of them can take the ball off. The blades like as soon as touched. It's really remarkable thing is going to be. I think it could tennis level wise. It could be up there with as I think we could be in for something incredible. I think that point about federal playing the match on his terms is important because the reason I always think that O. ate would finally so fascinating is because seeing the dull and federal kind of their roles were reversed because we think of Nepal as the fighter yeah he was the one with the two set lead and it was federal having to come at him and wrestled a match from hey man. I always thought that dynamic in that match was absolutely fascinating like you're seeing the dull trying to protect them federal comeback at him with everything he's got and they just pushed the shots that he's extrordinary heights but federal cannot afford to go down. I am two-sets-to-love tomorrow. Surely He has to come out and probably win the first set of himself certainly one of the first two yeah I mean the base better players than they were Lebanese gay do that Mary if that is true greed. Is that what you think it's eight might be there might be I mean in a fifth set tomorrow exactly that federal his added more to his game than he had in away because he's had two has more varieties backhands better his his sort of eat better than net. He's yes when all three of them when Jovic including joke of when they all talk about how they know they need to just keep improving these three of the greatest players of all time and all they're looking to do is get better. I mean that is how how much is that to be admired. Treats really roughing those Hayes. GotTa serve a little bigger. He's got to play points a little quicker. That Roger knows he is his bigger. His bigger string bed is going to allow them to rip overs backhands more. I was talking about this before before this started I I did the last match with Paul. Annacone who coached Roger for years and you know Paul was when he was playing Nishikori he was going over his backhand returns a lot and missing some and Paul just was wondering why why does chip is returns and just get some back in this is when Nishikori Nishikori was playing such a good. I say it will be very interesting for me to see how he returns. An adult because Dow is going to be hitting into his backhand. It'll be interesting to see what Roger tries to do in that single department. That's that's already interesting for a second Mary. Let's get ahead of ourselves because this probably the anytime will get you on throughout the night. Let's say David's prediction comes true. Unlikely let's envisage a world that David writes and obviously obviously no one is dismissing the challenge if lovely Roberta Battista Gate but it's a federal Kovic final yes David thanks Federer and let's remember he has never been both of them. In the same slam sensical David winning. I'm most ethical federal jock which is just going to pick up the pieces and he's going to deal with Roberto and send him on his way to his STAG party policy American listeners including you Mary. What is of course you've London invited differ by idiots like get really stupid and you know yeah okay usual? What's what do they call it? In Spain this better Soltero which is like a farewell to your bit lots of being single much more civilized. It really does sound good. Samir don't imagine myself to neighbor quizzing him about it. I wasn't confused myself enjoying not being responsible for the safety of about twenty eight. So is there anyone sitting at this table who thinks joke which is GonNa Win Wimbledon again who you. The what what kind of a scam are you offering but I can imagine a scenario in which could orient which the world should should tell listeners drinking game anybody mentioned the mix has to take a drink hence Mary straight down and because I prompted by asking gang is Roberta Battista in the mix. Nope we said at the start of the week that the tournament the mix was three at Wimbledon remains in the semifinals finals and he's still not in the mix anyway. The rest of this shit see sends a message to the guy that tweeted us saying. Maybe the mix should be people that can reach the semifinals which city not suggested that we have standards. They're low but we have them so joke. What's your view? Mary is Djokovic GonNa get his job done tomorrow. I can imagine this feat yeah. I mean that he doesn't have to go through both of them. The the way that you know Rafa Roger does a huge advantage. I drunk which looks he's been playing some very snappy looking ten sudden. He's peaking the way does now of course he can win this. I think about Easter goes a little complicated for him for a couple of sets. Maybe I think the thing about Djokovic she's he so good at kind of shrinking the opponents side of the core and sort of making his side of the corporate bigger but I'll tell you who gives him that to linear repetitive additive ball and he's not quite not quite so easy to maneuver around the core thing and I think that gets a little bit in joke which is head there were landlessness of the same coming back. You guys got a huge four hundred yeah and it's beaten him twice as here two to three which is obviously is not going to get touch the Spitzer leaners to tomorrow. We've turned Lena into this curse. God Semi Finals. Suddenly you know Oh my look around. I think every match a he was when he was the guy that had to play Andy Murray in what tennis Australia desperately wanted to be his retirement match. He had to be that guy and he coped with that so Britney so pretty. I know that's a different thing. Thank these ones absolutely so he's back in the mix. No He's just stunned up God. He's not in the mix. He is on the boat and he never ever made it never made a slam quarter-final in twenty four slam appearances made a quarterfinal and the semifinal to say I think when we do our end of season silly awards he's going to be right in there. for which awards typically can we just deal with Wimbledon. <hes> you mentioned the state. Do you think's going to happen tomorrow. I think get blessed is GonNa these things can happen in the other one well. I mean as I keep saying I just see something in a dull. I picked to Federer Jovic final before the tour some things changed during the tour advisedly advisedly I picked Federa to win that <hes> because I was not aware of the hadn't quite come to terms with the fact that federal had never beaten into the mid one slam and I very much regret that <hes> something has changed something has changed. I am just I keep saying I'm terrified by the sight of Ruffo the Dome and so let's let's pretend that Rafa wins title and he gets to nineteen majors and now he's just one behind render that he's the only two behind Rogers the closest he's ever been wow yeah the first time he won a major the French when he was eighteen roger dirty one four say okay so it's it's August nineteen dollars on nineteen and Fred reason twenty and they've never met the U._S._A.. In someone's rigging the draw someone is GonNa make that drew I still retirement twenty measure that because they'll keep going into someone's not on twenty huge dinner in her flash into today on central. I think it was really bad. You know he sorta phrased it quite delicately. He's asking woman of our age and all that bollocks the thirty seven whatever explicit Mrs Explicit and she's an you know he said what may debate see what may debate to keep doing this and <music> she sort of said. Why would I not be my job? I think it's what you say. I love my job. I this is great. I sued really well. I mean so so if that remains the case well why are any of them going to hold on and the old <hes> other than say that doesn't really does the framework of what is retirement agent tennis. He's just restricts has said this might be her last year on tool. She said he three she reached her first slam semifinal peak yes. She's you peaking Bura. Come on. Let's let's get out on the table and now I wanNA know who's winning tomorrow out of new Federa on I want to know who's in the final. I'm shading towards Nidal. Okay joke of its final. Mary stand up. She's on Cadel wins by the Dow wins to win the title. Did you said Thursday yeah. I didn't say I said Federal Federal Jovic final with federal to win all right so that's interesting. I like the fact that you've you've not gone with this over said before that this would happen saw survivor better stay. You've you've actually applied real journey a lot of growth. I think I think the dial wins. Tomorrow and Turkovich wins the tournament. <hes> I mean 'cause that's. The logical answer is yes because of what did you have to be <music> predecessor against I wanna say he's got be knowledge going into the hives. I want to say it was against Bolelli Australian Open fifteen hi. This is hoping he got that wrong. Wait Twenty fifteen around the round two. Oh my good God correspond I think I think that's a I mean. It might have been a wasp but I think that's the thing can I can. I get something for a moment and just say like how amazing I think it is that we're getting this match eleven years two years after that also if you think back to how much your life has changed in those last eleven years and the fact that they've been constant throughout it it's it is quite something isn't it. I think I think we talked yesterday about that sort of big three fatigue that we can. That may be has said in a little bit but you got an occasional tomorrow and you you've taken back in a way because you just think moments like this of their to be treasured and I'm not fatigued of the Big Three. I'm fatigue developing only the big three in to just declare. They're holding up their end. We can't blame them yeah. It's coming up with a good. My kids had yet to be born. I hadn't joined twitter this. I saw that today on sation media. The instagram did not exist during the night. When that match took placement I was watching <hes> twelve twelve who is supporting <hes> federal now? That was the first ever wittig Christmas which is what we Wimbledon Men's final day. You won't behaving with Barbecue Christmas because I'll be attempting to broadcast with a swollen lip on on your presenting the live coverage whilst being development Emma get dropped. It's fine at least two days to go where all right <hes> and yeah we were the final talking about style stylistic matches Iran which I I love loved I could do we could do podcast of that <hes> what comes to mind for me obviously Chrissy Martina Bjorn and John <hes> Agassi and Sampras and I think that's why people are besotted with veteran adult yeah and not on clay because that's a foregone conclusion especially now that federal has figured out things you can do. That's exactly right. They've both made each other so much better and they they have to divine from their past matches. What's going to work can what's not and they're both going to try to come up with you know magic because because in the past we were saying Maryon as as stylistically interesting the matchup has been it's been frustrating because federal was never able to get over the back can issue in the dog just beat him with every single time and it was but since he's gone to that bigger ahead he's he's found something now is such an interesting contrast of styles yes if somebody orthodontic federal this Wimbledon a choice between guaranteed this Wimbledon or Olympic golds intake INEX- June? We were discussing this week. Jaren to golden share guaranteed this Wimbledon think you'd go gold with his Uniqlo contracts Japanese contract with three hundred million dollars. No I think I think I know what unikely yes exactly exactly you know he won gold when he got one golden Beijing. I was in Beijing when he won gold in doubles with Bob Brinker. I don't know that I've ever seen him as happy and she was an adult by the way was the same thing when he won the doubles in Rio with Marc Lopez meant the world to those guys so golden golden singles would mean a lot to him. Nandy wanted twice right. He's got to Olympic goals no yeah no. I think I think Roger. I still think Wimbledon I I think he wants. He's guaranteed. I mean famous last words any one more shot at Olympic gold. That's well. That's what's GonNa make the Olympic so great next year it will be the last Olympics for Serena for Nidal for Roger for for so many players genus wants to hang on and get a ranking up high enough so she can play last Olympic when you were saying that about the Rio Olympics I mean after the two thousand seven Wimbledon final I interviewed Roger Federer Straight afterwards for BBC radio and asked him issue target to try to Steve You. Let's keep playing till the two thousand twelve Olympics genuine and he said do you know I haven't thought about it like that because I'd like to be one of those plans like corners that plays till like nearly forty and that's something he said a Financial Times interview <hes> pretournament here that was really interesting. I think he said in two thousand four was it five or four. which was I mean when he was at his absolute? Just everyone else I might as well just not show up. He's he was already thinking about longevity and extending his career into his mid to late thirties at that stage which I did not believe him when he said that I thought I thought well I mean I'm not a believed him but just talking nonsense because nobody plays that old apart from connors who we know is a bit old. I mean he's you know he's like. He's a glutton for punishment is Jimmy Connors and he just couldn't give it up but I just don't do that. You'll want to have some flourishing in and then go on some lap of onofre year <hes> on assumed it would happen after the after twenty Roger pedder discovered onto his body would break. I didn't think this did not look to watch him. Play and you watch how how not there's not one muscle system in his body that contradicts another. You know it's not fighting another. There's a description of the day when Matteo Bertini fellow ver really big federal in that moment of the tournament fetters kids who are free and the thing is you need to remind us all right exactly who posted on instagram just before we started ascertain Russia's made me change career with his <hes> eastern some fashion shoot yeah he's he's. He's making jokes about losing the fastest ever fourth-round Wimbledon in the men's yeah. You've got to start making jokes when you lose lots. You've got to be ready for -tated cannot be happy in the lobby of the mkx. You'll Peres you have looking like author. despoil begun forlorn or just just got it. You've got to show the sorts of courage the Katherine Whitaker podcast to salute you long appropriate. This makes me vote-worthy I do too to I would on my boat any day of the week and you know she her ballast and I'm not sure I myself glory the One time I was crave your this is this is a changing changing moment this yours. Your father is going to see you in the New Light after that so welcome Catherine Weldon Matton be stats because still a just agog. How is that possible? He's actually got stats out of his mind about the last time Reggie Federal Stoneware be hearing tomorrow Yeah for sure and and Mary. I just want a have had worn C._B._S.. I just WanNa say what a treat it is. I have you on the I love your pumpkins pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us. It's really is lovely for us. <hes> enjoy the next few days <hes>. We'll try to do this all again for the rest of this week eight. We'll try to have marian if we can at the U._S.. Open and thanks to all of you for listening to us because we're having a great time for whatever reason youth you sort of pitch in and help fund this around Picnic table which is just magnificent.

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Davis Cup Finals Day 6 - Superman Nadal vs. GB, Canada and the world

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Davis Cup Finals Day 6 - Superman Nadal vs. GB, Canada and the world

"Hi I'm John McEnroe's board. This is Martina Navratilova. I'm mats wilander. I'm Sandra Wanka. I'm Lleyton Hewitt I'm Marie and you're listening to the tennis podcast. So Spain against Canada will be the final of the Davis Cup. And it's been another day where we keep thinking. Oh it's going to be an nights and and here we saw. Aw One o'clock in the morning might I'm Katherine Time. Two o'clock in the morning Matt's time and we've had yet more drama and it's hard to know where to start so I think we'll okay way backwards because the the two tie-break sets we've just had an doubles between great. Britain and Spain was so captivating so such thrilling really in terms of just the energy and the excitement generated. I said I don't know I just feel as though that was as good as sport gets I mean forget formats whatever just that was two teams teams going at it in the most incredibly passionate stadium and rough on the Dow just underlined his Superman Status Catherine. Yes I'm annoyed that much or the used Mary Carillo he's line and found a dull yesterday Because it was cool to mind again today wasn't it. I mean he is a force of nature and to think that we still sort of seeing facets of him the odd. I don't feel like I've seen before At thirty three years of age given everything is better just done yeah. It does which defies logic. I mean I'm I'm this is ridiculous but if you ever seen a dull that pumped before that certainly on a Paul with any pumps adult that I've seen in the in. The Post Bruguera was asked and afterwards and he said what he's just like this in every match. Now I happen to agree with you noticed just demonstrably. It was what really struck me was when he kicked off the empire about that about about that inability to or she wasn't letting them challenge an out coal and he just couldn't handle it and he went charging up to her and he was shouting impossible to be any faster and she she lives so he he charges up to Wayne Mickey and the referee and he says the same thing to him. He comes over and talks to the empire and they're in agreement. We're not backing down here. And then he he goes stomping back to the baseline and he grabs hold a Feliciano Lopez by the kind of color and he punches him in the chest. And he's and I mean I I don't know what what he said but the gist. I got was right then. We're going to shove it up. Everybody now I don't care what happens now. We're going to destroy these people because we're and not just not having it. I mean you're in the stadium. You tell us yeah. I was trying to work out all evening whether it was better to be near Ski. Discuss key and Jamie. Mary's position of being facing intense tae from the doll office Yana Lopez and having to try and match fat intensity of Nidal I felt for everyone on that court because the dolls presence and intensity was so overwhelming in that stadium. VM And in that match and ultimately there were four players on that call they all played extremely well empower tes. Jamie Murray and Neil Ski the Ski. The whole match Lopez was a little bit more up and down but I just could not take my eyes off Nadal. He imposed himself his game. Aim his or everything on the whole stadium and everyone was hanging people say people kind of hang on. Someone's every word what everyone was hanging hanging on every nidal shot because there was just an expectancy that he would do something brilliant with it and in that second set tiebreak Mariinsky had a set point six five and the point Nadal played will stay with me a forever. I think firstly the fact that he was on the ads side was a significant factor. Meant that he was getting the important points. Lots lots of important point supplied on the outside. It was a good serve. He hit a backhand return that was dipping and low the toes but he got a really leash short volley that he had to charge up towards and he is shocked. Follow it was an Jamie Murray. Cutting off the frame his wreck sort of dropped so sure okay. And and then he charged up and running full power he still managed to have the softest hands and just loped it over Jamie Murray. I think it was who then scampered back it landed so close to the baseline Jamie Murray through a really good defensive lob and the dog just sort of moved Feliciano Lopez is out of the way as if the say this smash is mine and he nailed it for a winner straight down the middle and the place erupted took the roof off and I never forget that moment and it was it was rough on the Dow. Just doing what he does. And yet it still romance to surprise me like you said I still feel like we saw more from the than I've ever seen from him it was. It was mind. Boggling and Gino. She know to put it into perspective. We were really close up. I was caught side watching Feliciano Lopez played doubles with Andy. Murray this summer queens and I remember feeling how how would a presence Lopez has on a double pump tea and yet stood next in Dall- you just looks nothing decidedly low energy and and I thought that narrow scope ski in particular played a a really brilliant match because all this other stuff was saying about an adult. They've really is no way you can prepare for that. He's never played before four and for him to come out and play as well as he did under that pressure against the plane like that I thought he showed me something certainly never seen from him before as well it is Jamie Murray Played Nidal. Apparently I think Steve Fraser tweeted the beaten the dial in two thousand and seven so that would have been tonight whether they've played since. I'm not quite sure. But yeah I mean. Where's your Laney Yankovitch? His book for that much. I just listened to the press conference that the British team did and and Neil kept ski was asked what it was like facing that that four hundred for the first time and he said you know it took me quite a few games to get used to the pace of his shots. But I got I got there eventually and actually I mean goodness May. He held his iron and when they were when they were six. Four in that second tie-break. It felt like it was going to be a travesty if they didn't win that set and yet at the same time when because at that point that you described it in the Dow one for Spain Spain he just ripped it from their grasp and look it was. It was hard on the British pair not to have a third set there. But how can you deny Nadal. I I don't think there was a human on the planet that could stop him today in that mood in that form and I include even the Great Novak Djokovic Roger Roger Federer in that I just don't see how in front of that crowd anybody could have stuck to it. It's it's impossible to play better Under pressure tennis dulled in that time right because he followed up that amazing point I described with an inside out forehand winner issued. I just don't see on the doubles court. Yeah use it. Feliciano Lopez is a human shield firm so more sightscreen gene or some combination thereof and maybe that was fluke. But it just didn't feel it in the moment that Jamie Murray was was very to play on it but he didn't see the ball until it was too late because Feliciano Pez was blocking the the line of sight it was is yeah mind-bending and just to continue what you were saying about in the dull showing stuff new stuff fandel to be playing this tennis at the end of the season this well this often. He's paying twice a day. He's winning both of them and normally dull all can really make it to the end of the season. Let alone look as ravenous and there's just brilliant as he is okay. He missed the Asian swing. But he's he's played a very full season this year. He's we've talked about all the semi finals weeks. He's paid a lot of tennis and he's still going strong just day two a week after that match the the transformation is completely remarkable. I'm really struggling to get my tennis and momentum didn't he would he needed is to be playing too much is a day weeks and he's got his wish to is two weeks ago. Well two days. This short of two weeks ago. That match happened and win. That match happened. I was in the commentary box describing next to Dan Evans and it takes me back to the fact that when when I asked Evans who's going to win the tournament. Who Do you think's who defensive for this? He said on Adele. Absolutely no the Dow this was before that match and I mean he felt he was so shocked by that performance from the that day. I mean obviously. He hadn't played in ages is he was rusty. He was coming off the injury or the question marks but even all the way through the match you could see evidence just couldn't understand what was going on. When he was watching Adad against very couldn't he couldn't understand how it didn't end up happening? He obviously just reveres him to such a degree and then later on in the week when he had a couple of his his matches that he won he he he messaged to say. I told you I told you when he plays when he plays his best. I don't think anybody can live with him. And then suddenly last night after that incredible win for Evans in his final Korea match. I said you got an Adele now. That he was trying to sort of kind of back himself. But you know he I think Evans played as well as he can possibly play. I Games too much like they're meeting in Montreal Adamantly in the summer Donovan's played prey to brilliant match. Absolutely flat out. It's just a horrible matchup for him and it just is impressed as I was. It just felt inevitable. Didn't the result always felt inevitable in this is interesting It's interesting hearing you say that. About how Evans felt about Nidal having stood on the other side of the Ku them also hearing in the same tournament sits at pass saying without stopping to catch. Breath went off to the toughest of the big three minutes to play for him. You Know Nadeau Oh of course Nidal and he. He spoke for four dollars and he said Oh yeah everyone thinks Nidal and that is important G to how brilliant tennis player is but but I think it's I think it's the Aura I think is way. He imposes himself on the tennis court. I cannot imagine Perot Jamie Murray Niels Kope Sqi. Brilliant tennis is Great. Doubles team really rose to the occasion. They've got so much to be proud of. I mean Jamie. Murray is a Davis Cup. Winner himself in a grand slam champion but but they they look like two blocks from the park. Didn't didn't they in comparison to just the electricity coming off no dollar. I mean I could feel it from London and it was in. Madrid is just mesmerizing. Mesmerizing utterly mesmerizing. Let's actually here from January. In that press conference I found one of his answers really interesting talking about the power of doubles an in a plane down. And having this as you say completely different. Sports warmers that they bring to the court. It's not conventional doubles. Let's have a listen to this. You know tennis. Is You know for ten years being in the big four and it's been about stars by. There's a hell of a lot of amazing talent on ATP tour and I think You know doubles as a huge part to play in and I think when you get you know a lot of guys competing in the doubles you know. The level is incredibly high. Think nowadays with the way that the sport is there's different ways to play doubles different ways to win it doubles. Yes and you know we're more traditional players who serve and volley and come to the net and use those skills you know Rafeh Rafeh. He plays a more. Let's SEE UNORTHODOX WAY. Maybe she's a lot more common now in in the game because these guys can you know they serve big and then you know they have great groundstrokes that make it difficult to to volley against. But that's what makes it fun to see that those are different in stiles on on the court together And you know I think you saw tonight like you know that. That's doubles at. Its best really. I mean you've got one of the great players ever on the core competing for his for his country and you know make or break match And you you know. It's an exciting match was really close match. There's a lot of good exchanges You know everyone was was playing well and of course you know unfortunately for us we lost but I think overall is definitely a positive thing to see these guys fighting so hard in the doubles court to win a point for their country. I find that a perfect example of of how I mean that was toward the end of the press currents Jamie Murray and at the start he was asked about right and he was philosophical but very deflated as as all the team were but he kind of almost worked out of his system by talking about it and then by the end of the press conference he he was in a position and I think all of them were where they're actually they feel really proud and as other been part of something really special official tonight and yet it's I mean it's just another example of how this this event is format think can work and the best part about the whole thing has been the deciding doubles rubbers in these ties. What is it five out of six six now matt? Yeah that's right five. Six ties have gone down to the doubles. How many days have been deciding except tiebreaks three sure? But there's two or three for sure Both both the Russian ones were And then obviously this was to tiebreaks deciding Setai right but it kind of kind of feel like lower kit and the you know. I just think that the doubles has always been such a big day in Davis Cup and it used to be it used to be great that it had its own day which was very nice but it was. It was never as we said yesterday. It was never the most important match because there was often time there was a chance chance to make up for afterwards or it was already to nail in the tie was heading one way now when the doubles is played it is the most important match because it is the decider. Hi Dr and you're going to get occasions where you have teams who have a doubles specialists. And you're going to get teams who have great singles players and they're going to be drafted in and that is always going to be such an interesting and fun thing to watch. Jamie was saying that about the different styles of doubles. And I just think the way that it set up now we're going to. We're going to see a lot more of that and I'm I'm on here for another couple of things that Leon Smith said in the press conference that I wanted to just raise one was we heard. I think we touched on it last night. How Britain would trying to scramble tickets tickets together to get some people in the stadium and it worked out? They've got four hundred and those all sold out and they went and got another four hundred so they had this. They got a thousand people people in the stadium which was fantastic effort. I think from the teams fish fans to them. I heard Matt saying the elderly Bush fans was. I roamed people with disposable income. You can don't go free tickets and and I thought that was a great effort from from the to organize in from from the players players to kind of get behind it and whip up the frenzy of interest. You know that was that was brilliant. Leeann was talking about his impressions of the week and things that need to be better turn. Obviously there's the things like the shedule and all those sort of things but he said you know the thing that we take away from Davis Cup is what was the atmosphere like obviously tonight. It is incredible but because of the lack of home and away with anybody else other than Spain you just you risk losing that. And he said he feels when when they go away and they'll do they'll do all sorts of brainstorming and feedback meetings on this stuff. He says he'd like to think that they're going to find a way to direct a a budget package of whatever the money that all these federations are getting into finding a way to get a group a hard core group of fans to these to these ties. Because you know lives and dies by its atmosphere doesn't it. He he was sorry. Remember you can say well. It's just GonNa say that is absolutely fundamental that I really do think that needs to happen and even if it's just one of the ties days on Stadium to stadium three. We saw the impact that the traveling British fans had on those calls and the traveling Canadian fans ends and if if all the teams had support like that then all those group stage matches would have been at averted even further and we. We wouldn't really been talking probably about the atmosphere because it would have been there however is is it came to me today. Is there a problem With the fact that this is this is in Spain for this year. It's going to be in Spain next. Da Spain are one of the best teams if they've especially if they've gotten a dull and is this tournament thriving because of the fact that Spain doing well in it if if this was was held in a country where the host nation wasn't doing so well what would the atmosphere tonight. And you know if there wasn't a doll how much how much of the success is the null factor is the Spain factor. I do think that's a slight concern going forward. I thinks say this the same. The same thoughts occurred to me. You know is is the Nidal in Spain fantasy. That are providing a bit of a fig-leaf A are you for over a potentially major issue. I mean this is slight chicken egg to the in the you know. I think. Spain Success Assessment Dole's success is is being amplified by the fact that they were in Spain and they're having enjoying the support that is assisting shifting the move but ah yeah without question. I think that's definitely something that they should consider. Not Ignore. And and their whole model Sir David their whole model of the kind of woke up star Event World Cups on not held every year and they do move around and I don't necessarily I'm not necessarily against the fact that Spain of had the the home advantage for the whole tournament I don't necessarily Saudi Fund that too much of a problem but if it's going to be in Spain and I think there is an argument to keep it in Madrid to try and build it and try and grow some momentum with it but if it's there for two more years that that seems a little bit unfair major credibility issue even having having their for next year now that we've had this year how is that fair. How is that fair? And all the all the other nations when you've got this massive passive home support fine for year have a host nation. But let's be honest. There's there's always going to be an element of unfairness. This event is never ever going to be held in Columbia is it. It's no it can't be it. I mean even just holding outside of Europe is going to be challenging shing just because so many of the nation's involved all European just practically to encourage fans to travel which as we've just all ooh identified is the single biggest ingredient to success taking away from Europe. You've at least have a South American option now the same whereas you have for World Cup in football I think Argentina I mean for fairness purposes. I agree with you and that feels right. I think that would be problematic crack crowds. He's funds Walk Atmosphere Wise. I don't know I mean look how I know it tries does your federal but look how many people he's bringing out in South America right now. Forty two thousand in Mexico. I know it's Roger Federer. But what if it's found. Now what if what. If it's another big star I mean these people if promoted right. There's a massive interest in in sports in in South America as there is in in Madrid. But it doesn't mean they're watching. Gb Belgium now will look. I take that point certainly But I also think the magic box is one of the most extreme examples of a soulless stadium. Now they made it rock tonight but it's one of the most difficult stadia around I think for that but now I think it's one of the big questions I have is how can you. How can you take be taken seriously as a competition? If you're going to return to the same place I think there's a that's a big problem mm-hmm yeah you almost wonder whether they could do a eurovision style thing if you win it you kind of thing or something a a little bit outside the box that so that it will get shed around but yeah I mean. The practical places need to have the facilities to be able to host. Multiple records are needed. That's the that's another debate. Maybe even three isn't enough for this tournament given the light finishes maybe even need larger venues. There are a lot of logistical question marks about the the tournament in this format and yet from feel and concept perspective. Give it kind of feels right. But I don't know I don't know how they go forward with it given given what we've just got lots of work to do for starts art and they're not going to please everybody. They're going to have it in Spain next year. Maybe they'll maybe they'll decide on a hard fast rule for that in the future not have the same venue every year. But we'll just have to wait and see but I. I think that they've they've had enough. Good news out of this. I think to be out of being courage. D- There's been loads and loads of stuff wrong but crikey the moments that we've had from this event as you said about the Dow they will stay with me. There are some this moments from this document that I will remember. It's any one of the things that slightly annoyed was Leeann. Smith was the the substitution of Lopez INFO karenna buster at the very last second That sounded a bit a bit. I don't know how you how you do that. If you submitted admitted your designated player and then they get injured whether that should just be a walk but anyway it was allowed so catherine I remember it was going to say no but I I. I can't imagine Sergio Garrett doing doing dodgy dealings can you know no context. Actually I think it was strange because there was talk of cranial booster being injured from the Spanish press conference last night it was mentioned action and then over the day the local journalists were telling everyone basically the current hopeless probably not going to be playing and then suddenly. He's in the team when the nominations put forward and then somewhat mysteriously with five minutes to go he's changed it felt dodgy now. Perhaps something did happen to tatum. Extra in that in that final hour before before the match. But we don't know the situation as it turned out it didn't affect act the singles. But you know you do wonder whether I've talked before I think about the best doubles players often being singles players. You've already played that day. And and Lopez found his groove a little bit in that singles came out and he actually didn't play great in the doubles. I didn't think he served really well but other than that. He was kind of the weak link on the court so whether it had any impact on the on the Thai probably not but yeah it felt a bit wrong. We still don't know why Andy Murray I didn't play doing. No I defined I defined. There must be something wrong. He quite surprisingly. He wasn't asked about it in the press conference. Leon Smith and I know he was yesterday asked about it and he. He said he's not he's not ready to play. Chosen these these guys and they've they've produced so that kind of went away without incident but today day the couple moments one when you realized what you're up against with Dow his force of Nature Presence Send. The wash is as brilliant as Neal's Cup ski was today and he deserves to play. The was a moment where you just saw the Dow walkout and you just thought just imagine if if the Murray brothers walked out right now as well Just in terms of matching up that that personality out there but he was there looking terribly miserable courtside and ex and just going through hell. Yeah I mean I felt the same fulfil just for she she or a purposes to try to try and fight the force of nature and on the opposite side of the court. I thought the only chance of combating that would be with with the Murray brothers and ended up feeling guilty for for having felt that as I watched you know Neil scopes give rise to the occasion Asian and be really as much as he doesn't have kind of Mario Batali score and presence he's an incredibly cool cucumber and I was really struck by that really. Didn't doubt his nerve at any stage because the noise people make when he was about out to try and serve in that second set time writing for instance. I don't know how they concentrate when when the crowd is kind of whistling and if if they missed the first serve and then they kick off again and as you say he just kept Tattoo. Art was mightily impressed. Some place just just come good. Donate the Davis Cup happen. That's two wins and pushing the Dow. Close that's a pretty good FM. Yeah meanwhile landy. Murray sank into a state of sits esque despair on the sidelines there is. There's a prolonged camera. Shots of him as ASKEBZC in his his brother were walking. Of course the the one of the cameras on the side of the Panthers Marine it was. His face is frozen in a state of deep despair. It was it was horrifying. I mean for for for tennis player who is achieved. Zandi Mary to be sat inches away from that core. Not being able to do anything about it that was unfolding thing must have must have been agonizing and normally tennis players watching. Tennis is one of my absolute favorite things Felix. Would you Elliott this week. For example has been just great to watch in the box face pumping Andy Murray. What Shing tennis is one of my least favorite things is it? It just made me made me sad. He was he was squirming and biting his nails and sinking into his chair and hiding behind his hands so he he was going to have watching his brother. That's the lowest he didn't. He didn't sit in the front row didn't he. He wouldn't hide himself away. He knew he would be projecting his angst which he very much was he wouldn't go away stuck it out out but we don't know what's wrong with him and I kind of want to know whether it's any more serious than what we knew about it. It is not just biscuits no many having a day off after that match was was understandable Having another to not playing again in the entire tournament well. There's something wrong so I want to know what it is but we don't know anyway. We'll find out. I'm showing showing Yukos now. Spain they're gonNA play Canada in the final tomorrow. Canada beating Russia. Quite fantastic result doc for Canada having come from a rubber behind because vast pospisil finally beaten by Andrei Rubel if Dennis Chevelle of is producing isn't he. Isn't he doing in well. Ready to step up his he can still be erotic and he was against the other day but he showing some metal here I think. Think and great. Great performance. Canada's first-ever Davis Cup final for them. Isn't it yeah. That's right and he. Yeah Dennis chiappa valve has has been really great not not always the most brilliant tennis that he's capable of. I don't think but in a way. Okay that's that's why he's been so impressive because he's been managing to win without just kind of blowing people off the court. Necessarily he's had a lotta tight sets difficult situations. And Yeah he's he's been really impressive and this was a big big tie against Russia. He's obviously got some Russian heritage. Take and you know so. And he's got a Russian coach Mikhail Youzhny so so there was that connection for him out on the court today. Yeah he was. He was really great and to see him. Combine with specific this week. Because the the partnership everyone was talking about was was os. Your Semen Zemun Chapa Valve. That's the that's the more natural partnership in the in. The Canadian squad seem not quite being fits enough because of his ankle. Well I actually asked shop about oven pospisil impression of what was your. What was your relationship like before this tournament and and had have you played much before and this is the first time they've played doubles together? pospisil and CHAPA VALVE AND CHAPARRAL offset. He's always looked up to pospisil and wanted to play with him ever ever since one Wimbledon and possible said. Yeah we've we've been through something special together here them. We're going to be stronger because of that and it's good for our team going forward that this that this is a partnership that we've developed a relationship that we've kind of nurtured on court and yet is there's something there's something really powerful about them for them to be able to beat action of a rube left who have already got that pre established friendship before the tie I thought was just incredibly impressive from them. I think we all picked action of a move live yesterday. I thought Russia would make it possible Saul afterwards afterwards asked about the comparison between the Davis Cup ties. He's played in the atmosphere is played in before and this one is his captain. Frank Don Civic was was interested to listen to as well listen to these. I feel like the the emotions are comparable to be honest. I like well this is the first semifinal I mean is even even even more emotional. I feel like there's been such a big build up to to this day. Just we played so many matches to get to to the semi semi finals. So it's it's yeah. It's the best of three format now but I wouldn't say it's less taxing on the body especially if you have to play singles doubles every day. I mean I feel like it's pretty similar at least my feeling. I still feel like it's like we're playing Davis Cup. There's so much on the line you know we have we have great Fans flew in and so it just felt very similar to to playing Any other Davis Cup tie accept just for some reason feels like there's more on the line because all the players are here all the teams are here so in some ways that that makes it kind of feel even bigger that if that makes sense I don't know but Yeah feels feels feels amazing and I would I would still. They say that they're from a player's perspective. From our perspective it seems very similar. It's been an amazing ride. So far as a captain I. It's it quite new to me. I've been doing this for two years now. I believe two two and a half years. So it's quite you and To be in this position this early in my right my captain career is amazing. I mean these guys have a great team to back it off. These guys are world cost players and and they're playing they I I mean this week. They played lights out. And I just think that You know I'm I'm really really happy with with everything that's going on. I wasn't expecting it to be honest. I know we have a great team. I know we're great players. There is but to be in. The finals of Davis Cup is a really big deal. And and to be here it's it's sort of surreal but You know it's kind of gathering the motions right now and and we have a shot at the title. So I was telling these guys on the chair when I was when I was sitting on match point and my you know my heart was beating so fast that it was actually starting to black out a little bit before the match plan I was trying to control. Oh my breathing and just on my cell debris the slowly and stay calm and we're you know we're close to this so damn civic basically passing out while he's he's courtside not very helpful but you know what a what an experience for for those guys and to be in the final now and it's a Dude I love the way. Canada embraces tennis the way they've embraced the Andress Q.. Story in these the young Canadian men as well. It's it's a fantastic story and they've come at numbers to support them as well do they have do you think. Do you have a better chance of beating in Spain in the final in Britain did or Joe do you think it's going to be straightforward. You think you think we'll get doubles tomorrow. So that's a good question shop shop Ivanov does not have a good record against top top players. I don't give him. I don't give him much chance against Nidal So who do we think will play. Spain's number T to we have to do. We seem Lopez. They were in the Spanish portion of the press conference tonight. There were saying that quite unbelievably really really but there is a chance about east to Google will come back and play he was there today. COOTS and camera radium. Moving having a moment between the Dole and heaven embrace in in the tunnel before they would g to count No word spoken but Non Needed see very emotional for the Spanish team. Participate if you if you didn't tear show of a couple of nights ago lost his father a few days ago and left the team as a result of that but has come back today so yeah incredibly moving to see the pictures of him. I mean that would be. That would be something if he played so so. Yeah I think so. It's about whether Pospisil I think can beat Spain's lines not pospisil isn't really fully fit. As a matter. and He is put himself through the ringer. Absolutely he he's got a bit of a shoulder a problem. He was getting heavy massage on his shoulder. During that doubles it didn't didn't seem to affect him too much but it's clearly really bothering him. Saying idea see might be just about fit but but he's not played for weeks. I mean yeah. Expect him to come in and play. I think would be incredibly difficult. I think they'll stick with pospisil. Don't you talk to shoulder or not just inject into that shoulder and off you go check your whole career for that moment. Franken income frank. Dang Chevik is an interesting captain because I think he must be one of the most understated captains you know he's not he didn't have Brilliant singles career really. You know like like Lleyton. Hewitt's or Ramadi facial captain's Nicolas Massu an equally. He's not he's not like a Lien Smith or a top chef. You've got lots and lots of experience in the Davis Cup and yet I think because he's a similar kind of age to a lot of the players and he's been on the tour with them. I think the players do connect with him quite well. I think there's a related but let's see there and it doesn't doesn't feel like there's a hierarchy in the in the Canadian team. It almost feels like chiappa valve pospisil. You know everyone's directing the questions to him whereas for example in sorry to them whereas in Britain's press conference Leon Smith gets a lot of the questions he feels like the team spokesperson. But it's less so with with Danka Vich and what we were saying yesterday about the kind of end of golden generation for Serbia. Well this famous feels like the star to the golden generation for Canadian. Tennis already started with with Andrea School and shop of Alvin are seen rising but just just for them to be in a Davis Cup final without really using well. I haven't used. I think what they could be doing in future years. It does feel like start over kind of Canadian power in tennis. Um Does Roddy. Then I think we saw going to get a doubles match tomorrow. Still it would feel so wrong if we don't get a doubles in the final. Yeah this week given how this week is played out just no body will start Nidal. Spain on spinal went. Yeah I I'm not sure we will get a doubles. I think I think they might get it done in the singles I think there they have had the tougher side of the draw in terms of rest. Nadal actually shut down the the press conference in quite respectful away but he basically said. I know you're doing jobs. I need to do mine and I need to go to bed. Kinda thing we'll need to rest and everyone kind of accepted. Did that issues enough dull on that now catherine which you just informed formed everyone that we will need to Catherine. Richards is left Sankara and we are going to leave the tennis. podcast on Nice for tonight anything else before we do go matt. I don't to cut you off and prime. No I think I've covered most just things that happened today. I mean I can't remember what happened much earlier because so much seems to have happened this this evening. That seems to be every every day you think oh the mornings have really interesting interesting story and then what happens afternoon and evening morning night just seems to just seems to take over here. It's just just to let you know listener. It is ten to three in the morning formats right now. 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