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Who Will Benefit From Brady's Absence? | Patriots Press Pass

New England Patriots Press Pass

04:45 min | 1 year ago

Who Will Benefit From Brady's Absence? | Patriots Press Pass

"The. Tom Brady's storied circle of trust has always been hard for new in young receivers to get into, so we'll things change for the Patriots season I'm Sierra goodwill here with Evan. Lazar with a new fresh guy under center in jared stood of these younger receivers definitely have to be less intimidated, trying to catch balls from jared who has something to brew equally, if not more than them, so does guys like Nikitin Hairy. Hairy now benefit from that change at quarterback to me. It's Kinda like the relationship between your father in relationship between your brother. Right with your father. He has very high expectations that he wants you to me and he doesn't want you to. You know he doesn't want you to be to disappoint him with your brother. It's more like a competition and more like growing together as a unit. Right and I think. That's what it's GonNa. Be As you know, it's going to be more about growing together than it is going to be getting to that level with Brady but but that being said I do think that we're sort of searching for reasons to think Nicole Harry is going to be better than he was as a rookie, and we're going to kind of put it on the fact that Brady was a little bit difficult to learn under, and maybe we'll be easier when ultimately it comes down to Nikiel Harry putting in the work necessary to improve. Improve his own game so that he becomes more of a dominant target where he is forcing the quarterback to throw him the football because he's open, not because of any relationship issues any difference in age gap, or anything like that so ultimately I think that it comes down to more the players individually them improving their own skill said, but yeah, I think it could help a little bit that there is a little bit more of a brother kind of relationship there than the father being disappointed with the high expectations, right and I'm sure. Sure. People who would like to play devil's advocate say will Tom. Brady demands the best out of everyone when you're not trying when your, Dad's watching at your football game your soccer game, you're always gonNA. Try to do your absolute best in the other way with less pressure. UC, less improvement, but is there anyone else on the team that stand out to you? Who could benefit from Brady's absence while I think Jacoby Myers injured stood him how to really good report in the preseason that we saw last August or those two guys really seem. Seem to be connecting on the same wavelength even more so than the area. Jared stood. So I think that Myers has the chance to be kind of that. You know we're all talking about Harry. The first round pick over here, but maybe the undrafted guy ends up being the one that sees a little bit more dividends playing here from going from Brady to stood him, so there was a clear relationship, a clear chemistry there between those two guys in the preseason training camp practices, so we'll see if that can continue into this season. Unless Patriots Press Pass has been brought to you by leaking money. You get simple, sustainable and long-term weight loss at awakened one eighty weight loss dot com for all the rest of our patriots coverage finding on our website at media, DOT COM, and subscribe to our Youtube Channel at Patriots Press Pass. You know by now. I'm finally doing something about my weight and my hill I studied awake when Katie. I've already dropped about eighteen. And I'm not the only. Cater Perkins. Down about thirty. Two of the eleven thousand found. Solution weight loss. No No Medicaid Combination Science attrition. One on one. I recommend you. Call agent urging. You'll lose weight starting the first week and each it every with the to get to your idea, wait. Wait! Get one eight six. But during this luck. Virtual. appropriate. From the comfort of your own. Simply long awaited eighty. There are lots of. Your weight loss transformation. A wait. Wait. Wait laws program whether it was. SOx.

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How Will Patriots Offense Benefit From Cam Newton? | Patriots Press Pass

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08:46 min | 11 months ago

How Will Patriots Offense Benefit From Cam Newton? | Patriots Press Pass

"The. In signing with the New England patriots, things are about to change on offense. I'm Sierra that will here with Evan Lazar totally different skill sets from Tom Brady from Jerry said of what we were expecting out of the Patriots offense in his twenty twenty season, but which positional which area of this offense benefits the most from this citing while Sarah All off-season I've been scratching my head in racking my brain to figure out you. How does this patriots offense get better right? How do they work this year? In the one thing that kept on coming back to is that the way that they've built this team with the multiple tight ends, the brandon stable running back. Back, so they have when the Keel Harry being a big bodied rack type of receiver, I'm thinking I need a mobile quarterback. They need somebody that can move the pocket. They need somebody that can extend plays with his legs. They need somebody that can make the defense respect his running ability. They need to spy or contain them on the edge or do something like that and I was like listen. Dirksen could be that guy. We saw it in the preseason. He's a decent scrambler. He can run around a little bit, but now they got Cam Newton. And that's a whole different animal in this regard, and that's the most exciting part about this now is. Is that the rest of the legal are a lot of the rest of the League is playing eleven on eleven offensively right. They got the quarterback as a running thread. Defenses have to respect that they have to put an extra guy in the box or account for him in the box or the defender, and now the Patriots get to get in on that fun, and they get to get in on that Lamar. Jackson, style of offense, or whatever offense you WanNa Take the past you know Colin. Kaepernick Softens Cam, Newton's offense and Carolina. Now they get to do some of those things. That's really exciting and you know you look at the tape and you see. See Okay. You know even though you only carried the ball. Thirty six times on read option plays averaged over five yards per carry in two thousand, eighteen on those thirty six carries, but also their running game average five and a half yards per carry on running back carries off of read option, so we're talking about an offense that is far more efficient on the ground, and when you look at the the Patriots are building here. It's a run first offense with the play action passing attack with the defense second hold teams in the teens, and that's how they're going to win football games, and now they can really lean into that style with at quarterback. In the most recent concern surrounding cam was that. Is that foot injury that he still rehabbing from he was only able to certain playing two games in the twenty nineteen season for the panthers. How concerning that if it limits his ability to run, because then that really limits what he brings to the table as a quarterback right, you know early on in his career, and especially in the height of his career in his prime he. He was running powerplay, so they are pulling guards in front of him or leading the full back through the whole and Cam was the ball carrier. They weren't handing the ball off to any running backs. They were just running him right up. The Guy I don't know if those days are I think those days are numbered for him. I don't know if he's going to be that type of guy where he's carrying it on. On Design quarterback runs where the quarterback is the primary ball carrier sixty five seventy times a year I don't think we're GONNA. See that cam anymore, but with a good thing with the Patriots is that they don't necessarily need that cam? They need him to be a threat. They just need them to hold the backside of the defense. They just need defender to be pulled out of the run formation to be able to be. Be that read player right where cam standing there with the read option play, and the defensive end is saying okay. I can't jump into this run and stop the running back. Because I need to worry about cam going I'll around the edge I. set the edge now they have that hold on the backside, and even just that even their numbers in the middle of the field so that even if Canas handing the ball off. Of the time on these read option plays, it's going to create a numbers advantage for the Patriots elsewhere. That's going to benefit them. Overall the rest of our Kim New England patriots coverage. Find It on our website at T. on US media dot. com in on Youtube, channel, a Patriots Press Pass. There is no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner bid. 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At is Kelvin Benjamin in two thousand fourteen, when he was a rookie with Carolina went for over a thousand yards in his first season in that offense, because him and Cam had a great relationship on back shoulder throws high point fades. Just throw the ball up and let the big guy make a play and that was something that the Patriots tried to. To do often last year with Nick Harry, but the timing, and just sort of the element of the offense has never really seemed to click with Tom Brady. Right never seemed to really work and the one thing that we looked into kill. We talk about his route, running the fact that releases at the line of scrimmage or as route breaks aren't necessarily as. As Christmas, you want them to be in timing the precision of his route. Running is exactly where you need to be. The quarterback like cameras going to be a lot. More space is going to be a lot more pressman coverage a lot less press coverage I should say because they have to worry about cam as a runner rights you're not going to. To be able to turn your back to the quarterback as often so you're going to see a little bit more zone a little bit more op coverage I think for the team moving forward for defenses against the Patriots moving forward I think all of that benefits Nicole Harry. They can get sort of that relationship that he had with Kelvin Benjamin where I know. Know when you have this type of body positioning of I. Throw it to your back shoulder. You're going to catch it nine times out of ten. That's the type of kind of relationship that I think that those two can kind of glean out of this. I'm really excited to see. If Cam can sort of bring out another side and Nikiel hearing on. On top of that you have the ability with cams legs to run zone. Read to run, rpo to run different types of concepts that can get Nicole Harry opportunities to create what the ball on his hands in after the catch opportunities, quarterback cam is always good for guys that went after the cash, and that's what in the kill. Harry can do and. And I think that's what the Patriots are going to do moving forward as rely on fifty ball skills, but also realize basically Nicole. Harry is a glorified running back in a lot of ways with the ball on this. And now they got two guys that are huge great ball, carriers and Cameron to kill. That can do a lot of different things together. Not The rest of this receiving core still the number one guy we know. He was working out with Jarrett's stood on almost every day this off season, so the little bit of a start from scratch although I'm sure element doesn't mind too much now. He's got a vet served on him the ball. But how will the rest of the this receiving or benefit or just? How will it affect them why I'm interested to see how cam in Julian item and actually work together because? because. Kim is in Tom Brady right. He's not that accurate precision pocket passer throws every single exactly where it needs to be. So I am a little curious to see how that relationship works out, but in terms of who else benefits I look at the Burners Tomorrow Bird I, look at Jeff Thomas and I see the type of offense. The Patriots want to build multiple tight end fullback in the backfield, running threat quarterback. You know a lot of moving parts before the snap a lot. Lot of different angles that they're gonNA come out with blocking, but the biggest thing is is you gotta have somebody on the outside or in the slot? That can stretch the field vertically. Otherwise those safety is going to continuously walked down and walked down and walk down, and you're going to see single high looks with loaded boxes loading up against the run, even if it is with Cam Newton now, it's still going to be a factor so I think that a guy like Thomas Guy. Guy Like bird now's a great opportunity to be the Patriots version of Hollywood Brown and Baltimore to be that guy that makes the defense back off. Just a little bit to respect is one speed guy on the outside so whether it's Thomas Bird. Somebody's going to have to emerge in that role. Because the way the offense is is built now the way the offense is going to have to play moving forward with CAM at quarterback. They need a deep threat to take the top off. The rest of our cam new in Patriots Coverage. Check it out on our website Sealand, US media DOT COM. Don't forget to subscribe to our Youtube Channel at Patriots Press Pass.

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Top 3 Patriots That Benefit Most From Cam Newton Signing | Patriots Press Pass

New England Patriots Press Pass

05:25 min | 11 months ago

Top 3 Patriots That Benefit Most From Cam Newton Signing | Patriots Press Pass

"The New in signing has brought a lot more excitement to New England. I'm Sierra goodwill here with ever Lazar Czar in. We're not just talking about the fans. We saw the players reaction on social media, and subsequently these people especially on offense. These guys are jazzed up to now have a former NFL MVP, throwing the ball running the offense in. There's definitely some guys who benefit from this signing more than others. We're going to go through. Through the top three Evan. Who Do you have? Is your number three guy who benefits the most from new in laws? You're breaking down. Sierra actually changed my answer. I'm going to go with Muhammed's the new who has been out there already with Cam. Newton working on the practice field and biggest reason, why is because the news route running inability to create separation with his route running? He's healthy. Is exactly the type of offense and? And type of player that the Patriots need at that x receiver position. Are that outside receiver position because if you watch Cam Newton two rows that he loves to throw the slant and the comeback, and you need somebody that has the ability to get open on. Those types of routes on the type of concept's at the Patriots are probably going to install things, RPO's and things like that. There's a lot of slants involve in those. Those concepts and I think that's new might be the guy you look across the board, and you say okay. It could be Eshelman from inside the slot running slant, it could be some new from outside, running a slant, but his Nicole Harry really the slant Guy Jacoby Myers really the slant guy, probably not so they're going to have to get somebody that can run that route consistently, and I think it will be the new. Another wide receiver probably getting a lot from this signing is Nikki Harry. WHO's expected to make major strides in his second season? Can you help make those strides and yet there will I think the the big thing about Akil? Is that if you look at the type of receivers that Cam has worked at in the past seven funches, Kelvin Benjamin even Greg Olsen that tight end. He's had a lot of success with guys in the middle of the field, first of all but big bodied pass catchers, and I think the big reason. Why is that even though he doesn't have that pinpoint Brady accuracy. He's got a really great ability of throwing receivers open on back shoulders on high point beds throwing. Throwing away from defenders right and getting them into positions where they can just be athletes, and they can just box guys out, or they can just high point the ball and go up in attack, the football and fifty fifty situation, which is exactly why the Patriots drafted into Keel along with his abilities after the catch, and then on top of the abilities. After the catch you put cam in this offense now and you have a lot of misdirection you a lot of running capabilities and guys that are built for after the catch really usually thrive in that type of system so I, this is all bodes well for Nikiel Harry as long as his route. Running is continuing to progress this offseason. Benefits. The most from Newton signing in your opinion. WanNa Kinda. Go with to here because I wanted to get James White into this discussion as well because I'll just quickly put a point out with White Christian McCaffrey has led the NFL in both receptions and receiving yards since he entered the league in two thousand, seventeen, most of those throws coming from Cam Newton Cam realized later on in his career that checking the ball down to the running back isn't the worst thing in the world to do sometimes right so he. He realized that they got McCaffrey Super Involved in the passing game there in Carolina right away and I would assume that guys like James. White and REX burkhead will really thrive from that as well, but I think Sony Michelle's number one and the big reason. Why is because cam now evens the numbers in the running game. We talked about this in the video yesterday, but last year Sony Michelle ran thirty three point six percent of his runs against plus defenders in the box, and when you have a quarterback that is. Is Not holding a defender because he's not mobile, and Tom Brady and those eight defenders are all focused on one guy, and it's Sony Michelle the running back so now with Cam Newton in the mix of the Defense has eight guys in the box, and the offense has seven blockers plus Cam right. It's really eight on eight, and now Sony is GonNa have a lot more room to run a lot more running lanes because it's going to be even blockers across the board, so you're GonNa, have eight on eight with. With Cam which means seven on seven with the blockers really and should open up a lot of avenues for Sony. Michelle was guys you know. Getting pulled back out of the option. Read types of plays. You know they're going to be looking at camelot, and it's really gonNA. Free up a lot for Sony and it's going to even out the numbers with the blockers, and he shouldn't be facing as many stacked boxes at least in theory with Cam under center, versus with a guy like Tom Brady or did them. For All the rest of our New England patriots coverage. You can find it on website. It's media dot. com don't forget to subscribe to our Channel at Patriots Press Pass. There is no shortage of action going on at our exclusive partner bet online sports slowly making its way back with the UFC NASCAR and soccer leading the way that online has all the best odds in lines for the upcoming matches this weekend. Need more. That online has simulated NFL NBA and UFC happening every day live for you to check out looking for something else. Other than sports bit online has hundreds of live. 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Big Blue Big Board: Matt Harmon of Yahoo! Sports talks wide receivers

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35:59 min | 2 years ago

Big Blue Big Board: Matt Harmon of Yahoo! Sports talks wide receivers

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The you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred episodes in six years since avert has been around. But you only need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else. You listen to podcasts. Check it out. Will welcome TV. The big big boy podcasts. I am Dan Zuta joint here by Chris flunk? Chris how you doing today? I'm doing the specially well today we have fries for everyone. We do. We have a guest someone who's going to break down a bunch of wide receivers with us and that is net Hormann writer analysts of Yahoo. Sports dot com also known for reception perception, which you can find on fantasy footballers dot com met. Thank you for joining us. Thank you so much guys. And yeah, I mean, this is obviously the perfect podcast to be talking about wide receivers as as this particular team is very much in the news right now for for big wide receiver, moose, I think we will have a lot to talk about a lot of different angles on pack. Your this morning. You had said you didn't wanna spend an hour on your own podcast trashing the giants. So we thought you give you ours. I appreciate it. Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna spend an hour. Trashing the giants on my own podcast. So I'll go on different ones and like spend fifteen minutes here fifty minutes there. I think that's a much healthier way to go about it. Yeah. Well, we we spend quite a bit of time doing that. Especially over the last couple of weeks. So let's start with what has gotten us to really talk about wide receivers because about a week ago. We wouldn't have thought why receiver would be something the giants would need to think about but it will be going forward. So let's start with Odal Beckham. Now, I think one thing when you of cover a team, I think is especially to fans you kind of lose context around what else is going on league wide. So you kind of over look some of what is happening on your team. So just as someone who wide receivers more as a whole just tell us how rare owed L Beckham junior is. I mean. I mean, unbelievably rare, which is why this trade is so startling an especially given what they got form, which I know. Dave Gettleman quotes were hitting the Twitter timeline this morning, and he was pretty much saying it was an offer they couldn't refuse. Dave. I mean, I think you really could refuse amid first-round pick the not just the earliest Brown's third round pick. But the the second third round pick that they owned this coming year and a box safety who's basically just the downgraded version of the guy. You just let walking free agency. I think you could probably have have refused that offer. But again, that's just my opinion. But going back to Beckham I mean, yeah, this is a player that I don't say this for too many players, but he is on a clear hall of fame trajectory, and I say this for not many players in the NFL either in terms of wide receivers. They're very few guys that I think actually truly dictate coverages, you know, obviously beyond just your vertical threats who make teams adjusts. Deep down the field passes that are gonna be coming from teams number one receivers at really dictate I have to double these guys on a decent portion of their routes. I have to you know, conc- that a player across the field is going to beat me in order for me to stop this player. There's a really I know that terms like double coverage. I mean, even people talk about triple teams, which never happens in the NFL. But because then you really would be conceding yards and points. But he will talk about who's going to be double covered at all times. But there's very few guys in all the years. I've studied wide receivers that I've noticed that is a sustainable, you know, game by game consistent effect, but Odell Beckham absolutely one of those players, and that's just again accounting to what he does to the defense without even thinking about what he does is an individual player, and he's one of the best wide receivers in the game. If not the best when it comes to separation route running I think it's Antonio Brown and Odell Beckham is the two standards over the last five years that I've been doing Recep. Perception, which you mentioned off the top is too wide receiver charting methodology that I came up with right track. Route running how often each layer runs each particular out often they get open on each route house, and they get open against different forms of coverages. And I mean Beckham is still pristine as elite in these metrics. I mean, he owns the two best success rate. Verse man coverage scores over the five years that I've been charting back in his rookie season and this past season. So there's there's really not been any falloff there. And by the way, he's never finished below the ninety eighth percentile success reversed press coverage. So there's pretty much nobody in the NFL. It's better at getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage back. I mean, this is a truly rare elite player who makes everything around him better. And it's it's hard to overstate what a loss it is for the giants. What a gain it is for the Browns and just to give some people who might not know, max work. He was one of the first people to look at Odio Beckham at LSU and say, hey this. This kid's gonna be something. He broke my methodology. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially early in the NFL too, or he really even had the catch, you know, in which to national media heights that I don't think he ever saw coming that. I don't think any of us really saw coming matter. No matter how good you thought. He was going to be coming out of college. And I did think he was better than prospects. Like, Mike Evans that came out at your that went higher than him. I thought he was pretty much. I mean, right there with a lot of really like Sammy Watkins, and I thought Beckham was right up there too. And you could see them early and L, showings, at this was a player that was getting open, you know, again, like the ninety ninth hundred percentile in terms of success rate. Verse man covers even before we had that big breakout. Catch. He was a guy that was beating defenders weekend weak out consistently getting separation, and that is who's been throughout the entirety of his F O crew. I mean, really the only thing that slows him down is injuries. And that's about it and quarterback play when it comes to the box score. So. With that. Now, we know what the giants. Are we using an obviously they cannot replace that. Because of how rare that is you cannot replace Oto Beckham junior. So let's talk about now what the giants have left on the Russ or with what they were left with after the treat and something they added us, let's dive into sterling shepherd. He's someone who I mean. I think we all as people who watch in cover the giants. Like, a what a yes that slot outside versa to the not so much going to be really number one guy. So is there anything that stands out to you Incirlik shepherds game, I really like sterling shepherd. He's another player that going back to their college film. I really really appreciated. He was a player who showed the ability to get open against man coverage. I if you still has the best success rate verse man coverage score among all prospects that I've charted so he's definitely another guy that like Beckham cr- not in the same level of Beckham. But creates that easy separation gets you runs. Clean routes is a good all around pro and he hasn't necessarily developed into a star wide receiver. But he's definitely a really good high end contributor that. I like a lot. He's had several good seasons here again in passing offense that I do think has been hampered by bad quarterback play. And he's not just your run of the mill slot receiver, like, a, coal Beasley type. I mean. This is a player who going back to two thousand eighteen season in receptor or two thousand seventeen season excuse me in reception perception, he posted a fifty six percents success rate on nine routes of seventy percent on the post routes. He is a player who can get vertical can get loosened make bigger plays. You also is really strong at the catch point. I think that's probably the underrated part of his game. Is it not only is he got gets opened with clean route running. But he's got who finishes up there with like an eighty one percent contested catch score. And that's very good for a guy that isn't one of these big hulking receivers. Again, he has the aspects of timing of when to get his hands up there to win the ball in the air. How to just? Shield off defenders despite not having the biggest frame, you know, he profiled very similarly in terms of contested catch receiver to guy like Micheal Thomas, and again, I mean, they're frames could not be any more different. So it really is all about technique Huss or the player like sterling shepherd. That's why you know, the giants aren't totally sunk at the wide receiver position with him still there. I do think he is an ascending young player that maybe it another step. It'd be a guy who handles one hundred twenty to one hundred twenty five targets now. And that's not so bad. If you're someone that really wants to see him produce. But the question really is for the giants are is how how are they going to manufacture passing production outside the numbers? You know, how are they gonna manufacturer more downfield passing? Because again, that's not really the epicenter of sterling Shepard's game. He's more of that clean route runner over the middle. And I hope they do continue to use them in the slot. More outside just on occasion. Because that really is the strength of his game. I think they're. Is a lot more questions beyond Serling shepherd in the giant passing. Who again, I do think is really really good young player that I hope we don't get too caught up in trashing the giants not remember this is still a very good young player. You mentioned how important his technique was now is there anything technique wise or anything of that that you see in his games a slot receiver that translates to potentially more reps on the outside because the giants just signed someone who plays the slot even more which will get into golden Tate in a minute. But I just want to see if you think shepherd has any untapped upside. As a true wide receiver. Yeah. I think so I mean, I wouldn't rule it out again. I do think that his strength is what he does slot. What he does over the middle of the field. So that would be where I consider him to be used at his most awesome appoint, but he hasn't been a player. That's been a total schlub as a guy against press. Coverage. In fact, is thousand sixteen he had a seventy six percents. Exasperate verse press coverage Makati thousand seventeen he's right around sixty seven percent. So those are both above league average scores. So I don't think he is a Randall Cobb type player who like if you played him on the outside is just absolutely not going to work someone like a Jamison Crowder who's exclusively a slot receiver. I think he can get open against outside men coverage corners, he gives that really good detail route runner most of his career has been as a slot receiver. Which is why I think most people will say that the signing of golden Tate, dusty Ling, credibly redundant. If feels like they already have that player. I think both of these guys can take some snaps outside at flanker. Really what the giants will need is the split end x receiver Beckham, even at different points of his time was playing a lot of flanker instead of playing the ex receiver position, which helps you get that free released helps you. Face less press coverage on route two route basis, so they're losing just an outside receiver in general. And they might have these two guys as options to step up at the flanker position. Really what I think they'll be looking at in the draft. Especially is who's that guy that we can get as a commanding outside threaten. And honestly, the the question though, that comes to mind this this down to to brass tacks of you really think they've Gettleman has a plan. I mean, he insists that he has a plan. Right. It looks like right now they're collecting a lot of over the middle weapons. A lot of guys that are going to be used on short passes, golden Tate and sterling Shepard whether we think they can especially shepherd more. So the Tate I think can be more successful outside can be guy who can get down the field a little bit. But most of his downfield success has come out of the slot. So I don't know that you're necessarily going to be wanting to run sterling Shepard on post nine routes coming off the coming off the outside. So are they just conceding? The fact that ally manning at this point. Though, they still think he's good, which I don't share that opinion. But Dave clearly does there are they just going to concede? The fact that even though we still like him. He's not an outside the numbers hats or he's not downfield passer. Are they even going to look at that need in the draft. I don't know because right now they have three weapons who do excel over the middle of the inevitably grim. Sterling Shepard in golden Tate in his that just going to be the focal point of the offense. And of course, saquon Barkley coming out of the backfield as a good short area receiver to I don't know. They might not see the same Nita for outside receiver that we did. Yeah. Possibly they might be okay. Within a dot of like five this season. And that just might be how the offense goes. So you brought up golden Tate a little bit let let's dive into hin because even if they're not redundant of Tate and shepherd. I think a lot of their straits do overlap and part of that. I think we've brought up the possibility of as much as you said, and we also like sterling shepherd that he's in the last year of his rookie deal. He might not even be. Giant in twenty nine thousand nine we don't know that. So let's get into golden Tate. What you've seen from him over his career. I know he didn't really fit super well with the eagles when they tried to work him into the offense. So what is he right now at this point is career? This kind of got on my radar a little bit. When my colleagues res- paler tweeted out before free agency that a guy like golden Tate or Adam Humphreys is going to be asking for ten to fourteen million dollars per year on the open market people really trash that. And maybe it's because a lot of people don't know who Adam Humphreys is. And maybe that was mainly the the backlash of the tweet, but for golden Tate. I mean, obviously, his run with the eagles didn't work out at all. I thought that was a weird trade for the eagles because they clearly need vertical threat. Not another slow or see you're here to get. You can come back to the same point that we just made with the giants. I think Nelson angle are and golden Tate a lot of their strengths overlap. So it wasn't confusing. Trait of the time and often we see wide receivers outside of Mario Cooper. Who is definitely a bit of an exception to this rule. Why was he was not necessarily switch teams in the middle of season or even late in training camp? And then immediately comfort up with their new team. It's a lot to figure out especially if you have no familiarity with the quarterback, I know by the way, especially if that quarterback is also influx with injuries as he wasn't Philadelphia. Because I think what people forget about is golden Tate. Not only was he a good player in twenty seventeen. But he was still on pace for a great season in Detroit before they oddly just shift him out. He was on pace for a hundred catches over eleven hundred yards. He was averaging more yards per game than at any other point in his Detroit career. So it's a sense two thousand fourteen his for season there. So to me, I thought the Tate got a little bit disrespected on the open market. I mean, he ended up with a good deal from the giants. But he's got an even though he's thirty years old. He can still really contribute. And I again, I hope that the. Shade. It's being thrown onto the giants for the weird signing that is golden because of the archetype player that he has a relapse of the Arctic player, Shirley shepherdess doesn't discount for the fact that Tate. I think is still a really good player who just kinda has a nasty stink on him right now because things didn't go well, Billy. But if we rewind you know, to back in September October nobody's talking about golden Tate as a guy who's about the fall. So to me, I think that again, he's not he's not the guy that I prefer to be on the outside at prefer that to be throwing shepherd if one of these two that moved to that flanker position. But he has still got I really do think in play. I think in a, you know, not necessarily look taking the rest of the situation of the context is a good signing for any team yet. The giants do have a couple of guys who might be able to play that x receiver position on the even ridge of a two million dollar original round tender, which wound up being causing some confusion because it was. First round pick to Corey Coleman and overnight they resigned. Cody Lattimore, should we care about either of those two guys probably not I definitely don't care about Cody Latimer at this point me. You know, he's a guy who was people really liked him coming out of college. I was one of them. I thought this this comparison sounds bad now because he also didn't turn out to be good fro but back in two thousand fourteen or two thousand thirteen Michael Floyd. But he was going to be a really good NFL player. And I thought Cody Latimer. Look exactly like Michael Floyd it his college tape and again, either one of these guys ended up being good at a player. So maybe that tells you something, but they're straight overlap. Yeah. Right. I mean, I guess so, but like in terms of cutting he's the guy that people really like coming out of college. But the only thing he really ever developed was you know, a lot of training camp hype and special teams play. So by the time that he's out there is a third receiver for the job. Playing that extra Seaver spot. They're just kind of wasting a spot on on offense. There's really nothing that Lattimer is bringing to the table as an actual receiver, especially when you're such an eleven personnel heavy team. Now, I think there is a case to be made that the extra Seaver position is a little overrated or you can get around not having a great player there. If you think back to at his offense in two thousand seventeen with the Minnesota Vikings, they primarily ran through a flanker wide receiver Seth on digs a big thought receiver, Adam Phelan, and I think that, you know, going into two thousand eighteen it was very fair to say that you know, out Beckham was their plus version of Steph on I love step on days. But beckons obviously a bit of better player so used their plus version of that guy and inserting shepherd sort of develop into their Adam Phelan and even Evan Ingram. Could chip in doing some of the things that Adam the'll did as well. And. They were really just not going to be all concerned about the extra Seaver position. Just like Minnesota really wasn't running out. Michael Floyd who were just talking about back in that season or a guy like Liqun Treadwell who nobody really has hope for developing into good pro at this point, though, I think that there's a reason there's a bit of an maybe they can do a downgraded version. They could have been the upgraded version of that. Now, they're definitely be the downgrade version of that with Tate and shepherd as the slot and flanker. And really just not all that worried about that extra Seaver position. But I think you gotta have something out there. You can't just have Cody Latimer again, maybe that's Gordy Coleman. But his only real showing as an ex receiver did come with the Cleveland Browns. And it was an awful show. I mean, his rookie year is one of the worst ever that I have in reception perception history. He's down there below sixty percent success rate. Verse man, coverage just not a guy that. It really showed a lot of you know, a knack for the position. So maybe he takes some massive leap. But I would be super skeptical about that nicer. I I'm at least open to the idea of caring about a Corey Coleman. You know, bounce back to being at least a contributor. I'm not holding out hope that he's going to be a star. But I think they have to address that at least a little bit in the NFL draft. Again, the giants like disagree with you on that notion. I kind of feel they disagree with all of us. That is clear that is very clear. So before we get into some of the draft guys might have stood out to you. I wanna talk to you about little bit of your philosophy. You have in grading some of these wide receivers and just other pass catchers specifically, I wanna talk about your book on drops. I know this is something you've talked about in the past. And it's something I agree with you with. And it's something that I think at times over the past two three years there have been giants fans who have been disappointed in Beckham and sterling shepherd this year. Evan Ingram, especially this year about how many drops they have. But could you just kind of walk us through how you view drops. And what it actually means just in the the bubble of valuing what receiver does. Yes. So I wrote a piece on my website back Debaecker, banter dot com about wide receiver drops negativity bias if anybody's interested in kind of reading my full thoughts, they can find that. They are still searching you'll be you'll be able to figure it out. And I. I think that one thing that's interesting to me is that gonna come back to that negatively by Beckham's actually, a great sample because you mentioned this. You know, someone tweeted to me what I was taught when I was tweeting out these great reception perception stats about Beckham about how much separation he get somebody replied, you know, he drops too many easy passes. And I looked up yet three drops of last year. Like, oh, wow. You know? I mean, what what what an outrageous number. I know in previous years he's been up there like eager something. But again think about that in the grand scheme of all the greatness Oto Beckham brings you know, if he's a guy who's going to be targeted a hundred fifty one hundred sixty times something like that. Yeah. He's gonna drop passes. I it's just a reality of playing the position. I think that one thing again, it is that negatively by is that we see the drop especially from a great player, and we have that very visceral. Negative, reaction and human beings just tend to emphasize negative events more so than positive events such typical some that you're gonna find reading any sort of brain science. And I think that that negatively by six with us when we see those drops, but we categorize those in a much different way. We categorize, you know, a great curl route. It's run on a second down that gets you a first down. You know, you're not gonna have as great of positive reaction to just your run of the Bill playing even take it away from just a catch like oh Becca running a tremendous Robin draws two defenders. Yeah. And he doesn't get the ball thrown his way. But somebody else does your brain is obviously not crediting Beckham with that. Because you don't see it happen happens on the field. But you don't watch it on the Sunday and process it all that same time. But if they target Belk on a slant, route, you know, any drops it or whatever your brain is gonna mmediately take that negative, and and really it's gonna sit with you. So I tend to try to look. Beyond what a wide receiver does beyond just when they're getting targeted. And that leads you to really under emphasize drops like for some players people will bring up to drop the ball too much. Everybody brings up Ted Ginn. But then you failed to mention that Ted Ginn has made a positive impact on the last two offenses at he's been on Carolina. He was a good player in New Orleans. He's been a good player to despite the fact that he drops the ball. He brings verifiable rare deep game ability that not everybody brings and other players that people bring up to, you know, you'll bring up Greg little or someone like that Bill little, you know, he the reason that he washed out of the league is because not only did he drop the ball. But he couldn't do anything else to make his Trump's worth living with somebody like an Odell Beckham Leica. Ted get you'll much lesser extent. They meduse something beyond the drops to make those drops those negative place where living with and I would just much rather emphasize what a player can do over what they can't do. Awesome. So vol, we get you down. Let's. Talk about some things that players can do. And as we look to the draft. I'm not sure if this is it's not a strong elite wide receiver class. But I think through some of these players there's a decent amount of death and all of them probably bring something that can contribute to an NFL offense. So as you've been going through your scouting process through these receivers who has stood out to you so far. Yeah. One guy that I was so one thing I'm really focusing on dementia with drops another thing that I've really honed in on the wide receiver position is not necessarily, you know, giving players pass fail grades on some sort of archaic NFL standard of what we think players should be able to do what they should do. But really properly categorizing them into roles. I've mentioned a ton of this podcast of difference between the X receiver the flanker and the slot receiver. And I think that some of these players that I haven't necessarily been all that high on like juju Smith Schuster. A great example coming out of college. You know, he was a player who exclusively played on the outside wind up on one side of the field. And I didn't think that he had the vertical ability the necessary like the great route running to get off press coverage to really hack it as an outside receiver in the NFL. But what I failed to realize was when I failed to do is be more imaginative with the role that he could be in. And I think that that was and again, we've seen him be a totally different player for the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's been that big slot receiver flanker guy. Not at all the position that he played at USC. So I think that's one thing is watching these guys almost more concerned with what role are they gonna play where they gonna fit within the context of that role more. So than just who is good as who is who is that at one point in that I've immediately been drawn to from that perspective is Nicole Harry out of Arizona state because I think he shares a lot of similarities to juju Smith Schuster. I think if you're going to draft to kill Harry, you're gonna wanna use him as a big. Flowers. You're gonna wanna use him as a flanker, you know, very much like Smith Schuster, even like later career, Larry FitzGerald the way they've used him. As almost like a pseudo tight end in a way, I think that Harry could be a good player that doesn't fit with the giants. What they need. I was mentioning got over stock slot receivers at this point or using exactly what they need which nothing. Receiver. Let's keep that aid dot down, man. Now, let's keep it under four be totally in the Gabbard zone. I think that that that he's someone that I'm really drawn to in that way because I don't necessarily think he has the ability press coverage to get off outside defenders. But I do think he is tough. I think he's rugged over the middle. I think he separates really well against nickel corners against linebackers. And again, that's what we've seen a lot of what she's missed Schuster's done can good after the catch. He's been hard to take down in that in that fashion. These also been good at the catch point in those are two verifiable strengths at Harry has. Now, if we're looking at receivers if the giants probably need to look at I think a lot of people will point to decay met Klaff is that type of guy who can be that big extra Seaver. And I think that's certainly possible. He needs to do a lot of development in terms of just running, you know, more routes than you necessarily. But also there's a lot of ways that you could use a player like that. You know, think of how? The Cleveland nobody wants to praise Hugh Jackson team ever. And I don't want to either. But I think there's a lot of credit that you can give them for how they use. Josh Gordon coming out of the NFL after not playing for free years. They dropped him into a position where they don't necessarily just throw them out as the extra Seaver, but the use him as a flanker they move around the formation. And you know, it's not like Josh Gordon was at the peak of route running technique after spending three years away from football. And almost like a very Ralph player at that point. I think that's where decay MetLife is at this point his career. You can find ways to use these receivers if you want to create vertical production just have them run slants, curls and nine routes and post, and that's about it. So you're going to be limited terms of what you can ask a player like that to do. But I do think there's a lot of value in a big play ability in a big play receiver like that. And last another guy's really caught my eye. It's keen Butler and Butler. I do think of all these receivers in this draft might have. He definitely. Has dropped problems that I think people need to get over. Because to me when I look at him, despite the fact that he's a big hulking receiver guy gets off the line of scrimmage, very well. I think the giants are looking for receiver who want. They knew want to get off press coverage not the same way. But in a similar fashion to ho how Dell used to do it. I think that he came Butler is probably at this point my favorite to do that. I think both the giants and the Steelers two guys who have traded away these top end number one receivers, I think they'll both be looking at Butler, you know, towards the early second round for the giants or the early the late first round for the Pittsburgh Steelers that this is the guy that I think could maybe develop into a number one Sieber Butler would have to appeal to Dave Gettleman who has said multiple times that he believes that football is a big man's game and life receivers don't get much bigger than king Butler. Well, look at the two player, and I I hated this. You people might know who follow me that I like to say, I'm in a complicated relations with. A Carolina panther. So. What you guys are what you guys are with Gettleman right now been there. You know, I I'm not surprised by. I mean, I've surprised on the Beckham trade. But I'm not surprised that the football world has seemed to turn against a Galvin because I think that his tenure in Carolina left a lot to be desired and his approach to the wide receiver position was a hundred percent that way. I mean, he went back to back with Kelvin Benjamin. Devin funchess who are these slow lumbering lack of separation receivers, I think funchess got better throughout the course of his career. Whereas Kelvin Benjamin got worse. I actually do think Devin funchess's in interesting signing for the for the Indianapolis Colts on a one year deal the paid them a lot of money, but it's a one year deal. Who cares? But I think that he went back to back with those big hulking receivers. Maybe we see him kinda run that back here with a player like keep Butler as you mentioned clearly as the guy thinks that the balls of big man's game. I mean, yeah, he would that would fit within the way he's drafted wide receivers. At least in Carolina. His anybody. Really caught your eye aunt denied each have guys that we like personally. Kelvin Kelvin Harmon outta NC state, Dan like JJ or Siga Whiteside at Stanford. And he has a metric he likes us for wide receivers which target yards added and mom the king of that much. India's abella? Yeah. Yeah. Isabelle is really interesting. Obviously, I think he's he's a player that could be that mid round sleeper a two guys you mentioned with our Sega Whiteside and Kelvin harm. And I think will those guys actually share similar questions, which is just you know, are they true separators? And I think both of those guys unlike a player like kill, Harry, they're straight. There's their strengths are best suited for the outside. I don't think they necessarily like you can't necessarily say every receiver who struggles to get open on the outside. You have to move them into the slot. I think there's there's a mindset of physicality that I think Harry has to his game that I definitely think translate city inside. I'd now are Whiteside especially he's a guy who is consistently in contested catch situations. I think you you do see some hints of technique. But he definitely that's the play. He plays almost like he's a smaller receiver at releasing from the line of scrimmage, but then odyssey plays like a big receiver when he gets to catch point. So that's interesting to me. I think that there is some ability to hone that instinct that he has to be a separating wide receiver. And maybe he's a guy like a Mike Williams who I thought to me coming out of the draft a couple of years ago. People saw him consistently in tested catch situations. But you know, they been they assumed that he doesn't separate. No. Of course. Mike Williams separation ability is not up there with the top of the league, but he separates. Just good enough. To max also, then have a maximizing trait as a contested catch wide receiver. I think that's sort of the discount aversion, which you could get with the player like JJ Ortega Whiteside or maybe even Kelvin. Although to me, he profiles more your typical possession receiver. And maybe if the giants are looking for a wide receiver who is gonna play on the outside. But isn't a vertical threat maybe Harmon is in in that regard that type of player, and of course, obviously, we can't discount the fact that he entered right name. I mean. All name team this year. Williams and rocky sin. Exactly I that. I think that's all we have for you. Thank you so much for joining us, and everyone who's listening know where they can find you and your work. Yeah. My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me again, it's really fun team to kind of dissect not just what's going on their depth chart with wide receiver position. But just kind of wear the league is that is a whole with this decision group. 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Cam Newton to the Patriots! (06/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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Cam Newton to the Patriots! (06/28 Fantasy Football Podcast)

"The Of of Chaney Alaska. We saw Cam Newton. He Played Zoo Gabe. See did not score a touchdown. He rushed for negative. Two yards Fultz the last time we saw really healthy Cam Newton. He was having his second best season before his shoulder injury. Really derail two thousand eighteen season and now cam. Newton is a patriot. We welcome you to fantasy football today. It's a bonus podcast here amalgamated with Jamie Eisenberg and Ben Rich are. Let's get right to it. Jamie, you haven't updated rankings as we speak nine thirty PM eastern Sunday night, but you probably will by the time. The here in the morning. So, where do you think cam? Newton will end up your rankings. We'll behind Jarrett's them. beat out, stood him for I think I'M GONNA put him probably. Sixteen. I struggle right now between Aaron Rodgers and Jared Goff. I have Rogers at fifteen golf at sixteen. If cameras rights. He is going to be a top ten quarterback if he is wrong. We've seen the downside so I. Think he just like for me. I'M GONNA. Take the swing at defense, and this is something I. Never in my life thought I would say Daniel Jones over Cam Newton but I, think there's more upside with Daniel. Jones I still think there's more upside with Ben Rothlisberger so. I'll probably toy with Rogers Cam, but I think Rogers is safer I go that route, but I'd take him over golf. Okay Ben I kinda thought he would be lower Jamie's rankings. That was higher than I anticipated. Ben What say you on Camden. I like written same spot. I, IT'S A. We have to wait and see obviously but I I'm kind of a assuming. He's going to be the starter and Jamie Kennedy had job. We, we all would expect. With his talent level that you would be the starter, but there are people that are are saying that they don't believe that will happen and I think we've probably should talk with that bit, but. I think right now. I actually thought it in right ahead of Rogers and Rothlisberger and golf because I think. If he's there starter. He's always been able to I. He doesn't have weapons, but he's husband able to get with weapons. You know I mean now that we Kelvin Benjamin and do out the rest of his career. We know that Cam Newton probably had a lot to do with that and same with Devin funchess and. Those. Guys were pretty productive in Greg. Olson was I was basically is only good receiver. And he's always been a really to flare and run for so many yards that it gives him a really strong fantasy floor. So that's about right in the ranger. All look at too I could see definitely the case for those guys over him, but. I think that thirteen to sixteen ranges is about right. If you draft two quarterbacks. He should be a priority for you. If you don't draft quarterbacks and you wait, you could take a chance on him and then hope that you get a gardener shoe fallback option tyrod Taylor fallback option. You know there are guys that can still get you by Teddy Bridgewater in help you if you're if you're stuck, maybe Philip rivers. I mean no, it's not a bad situation to sort of wait it out if you are that type of fantasy manager to take a chance on Cam. But no I. Don't think we've said this enough about the veterans. We've talked a lot about it with the rookies and he's behind the eight ball in this as well. Is The veterans changing teams? have been on the field. Anybody like the rookies have. So it's an impact to them and he hasn't. Had the you know the virtual classroom at all I do think that this is probably been in the works for a little bit of time. the fact that it came down the same day that the Patriots were penalized. They're smart enough to say. Hey look at this shiny. While we're getting. Kicked, the bucket over here. So that probably has a little bit to do with it, so you know we all know that the things go on. That aren't on the up and up in the NFL I'm sure there's been maybe a playbook or too long He's probably been studying a little bit. But. You know he he. He may have to win the job. The Patriots have been very glowing about stadium, so we'll see how much they find out soon enough. Okay, let's go through the career of Cam Newton quickly here. In case you have forgotten what he has been in fantasy from his basic statistical standpoint. He's not a prolific passer because he doesn't throw that much. He's had one season with four thousand passing yards. That was his rookie season. He's at one season with more than twenty four passing touchdowns that was two thousand fifteen MVP season. He threw thirty five touchdowns. I Sixteen Games. He usually throws. He usually rushes for I don't know six hundred rushing yards. You know he he's you know there's a there's a wide range, but at least five six hundred, maybe seven hundred in his prime rushing yards, usually four to six rushing touchdowns, and maybe five to seven rushing touchdowns. Let's say six ISH rushing touchdowns. What's the men in fantasy? His first three years of his career he was a top five fantasy quarterback, two thousand fourteen, he was outside the top twelve, but missed a couple games whose top ten per game so great sources kersee thousand. Fifteen Bam MVP, season, three, thousand, eight, hundred, thirty seven yards, passing a six, thirty, six on the ground, forty five touchdowns, number, one quarterback and fantasy, two thousand six. Tell me right now Adam. That's cut you off, but if you tell me right now, he's running for five hundred plus yards. He's right. Yeah, he's right. He's adopted quarterback. Right so two thousand sixteen. He struggles, he He had a concussion that year after the concussion. Concussion. He ran for nineteen point three rushing yards per game, which is very low for him, so it comes back in two thousand seventeen. He's number two in four point for passing touchdown leaks. He's number five in six point passing touchdown, unless he was great value that year and two thousand eighteen was really interesting. He was having his best season her second best season, and then her shoulder, and he still was playing pretty well for a couple of games after that, and then it just went downhill. He ends up right around twelfth overall, top eight, and per game premiss two games, but that was a really good year and I drafted a ton of Cam Newton. Got In two thousand, nine hundred, and then he got hurt in the preseason hurt his foot, obviously wasn't the same negative. Two rushing yards in two games didn't score any touchdowns so if he's right talking about a guy who has had consistent top five upside, even while not throwing for a ton of yards touchdowns, because he has been the premier rushing quarterback and football. That's obviously be the case of, but he could be second best. Let's talk about though. I ask people for questions of Cam Newton and here's an interesting one. How similar is this patriots receiving core tight ends included to that of the two Thousand Fifteen Carolina Panthers, MVP, year they had Greg Olsen eleven, hundred yards, and seven touchdowns, Ted Ginn, seven, hundred, thirty, nine and ten touchdowns, seven hundred hundred yards and ten touchdowns. Nobody else had five hundred yards. Jericho Khatri Devin funchess Corey Brown. He had an MVP season with a pretty lousy receiving core outside of Greg Olsen, but you look at the Patriots. They don't have. They might have a better six than too was that he was twenty. Yeah, they might have a better offensively. They had last year, but they don't have their offensive line coach. They really were terrible last year. They don't have a dynamic outside receiver unless they kill Harry something. You know, look, it's not a great situation. Walk into I. Guess What I'm saying. Even though it's the Patriots so, what is the upside for Cam Newton? Stop five think so. Yeah I think pretty easily If you go look at the the five years that he was, he played sixteen games in a Q. Five every year. he's never so yeah. He's never not played sixteen games, not been top five. That upside very much exists if he's running. Like Jamie said if he's right and he's running that much, he has you're excited. He hasn't needed to throw for more than twenty. Five touchdowns needs to throw for four thousand yards and I. Don't think you necessarily will get. One thing is going to be a run. Team will yeah. We'll be a run for steam. But he hasn't needed those things with with how much rushing value he provides to top five quarterback every time. I think it's each of the four or five times that he's played sixteen games. And the Nicole Harry. Point is interesting for me, too because Dan Fund. excuse me Kevin Benjamin's rookies right away big year and high touchdown, right? Devin funchess's best season. He was twenty three. It was his third year, but it was after Benjamin left. He took over number one eight touchdowns already high touchdown rate. Those are two big bodied outside receivers Nicole. Harry's maybe not as Thick as those guys, but he's a tall, athletic outside receiver, and the hope for Harry I, think has been that he could be a career high touchdown, right, and maybe scores from TV's I could see how. That type of role, so to the to the question that you got I, don't know of Twenty fifteen receiving core is a perfect mash because I don't think they have a Greg Olsen on that roster, they drafted some new tight ends, but we'll see how those guys pan out. They don't really of Ted. ginn either they don't feel doors anymore. I don't really have that deep speed. It could be getting somebody if if he's right. He's not a burner like those guys, but maybe markedly. He could. Do some of that I think if you're if you're. I. Don't use infatuated, but if you're interested in Cam. Just think of what Josh Allen was last year. On ran for the five hundred yard rank. He's Gordon nine rushing touchdowns. He wasn't the best passer I mean. That's Cam. Newton well. Let me read this question from Russell. Do you think they will actually run CAM? Newton Bella keep him in the pocket most of the time. I think that they will allow cam to be cam if if they're going to commit to him, you know if they're going to try and force Cam Newton to Tom Brady. It's a huge mistake right he's. That's not something of the Patriots have ever done. Right like they've never taken a player and fit them into their system. They've always molded their system around the talent that they have right. amazing defense obviously. You know you may nitpick but best coach in the league. No you're not nitpicking. Coach interleague right so it's still a very winnable division. You know Miami's still rebuilding the jets rebuilding bills. Everybody's annoying them. As the best team in division will not the case anymore now that the Patriots, someone's of a quarterback and so. The formulas always been walk through the AFC east. Get a first round, bye and the path of the super. Bowl has been there. It's why they've been so many times in Brady Belgium era, and so they could still have that formula now. The chiefs are obviously better. The Ravens are better. The steelers are probably better. But you know the the still the path is there if you have a healthy capable, potentially dominant Cam Newton and so if they're going to allow him to be him, which is you know one thing ballots always done players that have done well against him. He typically tries to go out and get, and Cam was to know against him in his career I gotta ask you this. They waited the entire offseason. Nobody signed him. He signed a one year deal. Does that. Tell you something about what we're getting from. Camden I- The this summer to get into because my immediate reaction because I'm always liked us, have contracts I was just talking about this Mao. Sanders and the eagles, not prioritizing second running back. I'm always like. When did they sign a player? How much of this I form? We can learn a lot from that, but in this case it's so unique from both sides as unique because it's the Patriots on the Patriots do things in unique ways to. Intelligently my opinion. That it's also unique. Because Cam Newton was coming back from a health situation. We have a really odd offseason. He hasn't been able to show that he's healthy, so we knew as market was going to be slow to develop. It is not hard to believe now that we know that he's on their team that they have basically been waiting all season to signed him, and he's been waiting to see if maybe another starting job opened up. We don't know if. You know another starter could have got hurt training in the offseason or something you know things can happen, but for new was always going to be a one year deal. 'cause he was never going to be able to show how healthy he was was soon as this offseason happen all the uncertainty. It was going to be a one deal and that means if he's going to be. Be Smart on his end has got to be a good fit. Right and the Patriots feel like a good fit I feel like knowing all the facts that we know that this deals probably out there for a long time, the other the other fact we know the Patriots have the lowest amount of face in the NFL as of today. They had no room whatsoever they had. Yeah right now there, have you. Had to find a way They had to find a way to fit him into the CAP and they're smart. They're going to be patient and it does not surprise me at all or would not surprise me at all if we found out, which will never find out, but this offer has been there. The Cam Newton's camp has been trying to see if some other better offer would open up, but either way. He knew he was going to be on proven deal, and if it was always sort of likely that Newton would wind up in New England on both sides of this, but he wanted to be able to have the the ability to test the market. See what happened, see if. You know things opened up enough that he could prove his health and maybe get a big deal. Who knows what you know so much uncertainty? I understand L. like given all of those things and giving us a patriots. You knew the Patriots are going to be smart about. They knew he was going to have to sign appropriate they were. You knew if they were going to bring? Bring him in. It was going to be a blow market deal. I'm not really reading into any of that like I I in this case, normally I do, but in this case, I'm like you know what this makes a lot of sense that he would sign now with you and I would imagine you know like you said Cam. News Camp I would imagine if the Patriots said. We need to just be patient. Your Guy. Well I don't WanNa. Get into these hypothetical situation, but I'm just saying like from the standpoint of like to your point, because it does make sense like. Why did this not happen sooner, you know I mean he may have accepted a a one year seven and a half billion dollars incentive laden deal in April. Or ramp to the draft. You know who knows when this offer was put on the table for him but if you're cam. The chance to play for bell. Jack the chance to play for this know proven winner year year in year out. The chance to you know I think they're still on national TV almost much. They ever been no, so you get the the the spotlight as well. I think you know wha. What's he gonNa Start Washington with his old coach. Talking about Kyle and Kyle Allen starting there because of the virus April that Outta rule. What out Washington is ruled it out why? Because they wanted to see what they have in doing Haskell were a yes, I'm sure that's part of it for sure, but also the coach knows Cam. Newton better than anyone else. Ruled out signing a former MVP I just think that like okay. We could just say the Patriots played this great, or we could say. Nobody wanted Cam Newton because there's. There's obviously there's obviously this earn about. There's obvious concern about. You're not signing Twenty Fifteen Cam Newton I mean anybody would have. Done whatever they could get that guy on the roster for Rivera if he goes out and signs, Cam Newton and it fails his leashes shorter all right. Let's talk more fantasy here, Julian. Thirty in the rankings. You think you're GONNA change him. No. Okay, how about the running? That's got a lot of questions about the running backs. Fact One person wants to know. Is Rex burkhead the best fit behind Cam Newton. What happens to the Patriots running backs? Why would that make REX burkhead? The best fit I? Don't know, but we got a question so I'm reading it. I don't like Sony Michelle even less than I already didn't like him. Because Newton could get easily ultrasound touchdowns, and that's kind of what you're hoping from him. Newton showed with Christian McCaffrey over the last couple of seasons are excuse me the last couple, but the the first of McCaffrey's career that that he could throw running backs more than he had prior. He had almost never thrown running backs prior But, you know that that could be positive. Obviously mark for James White. He's the one the one back that I would have some interesting. I still take a flyer on Daming Harris at this point just because he's you know next to nothing in terms of costs with Michelle, coming off the injury, so I'm with Ben I'm not GonNa Touch Sony Michelle You know as as anything more than if he just continues to fall fall, but I think white gets a little little bit of a boost this. This isn't necessarily something like again. You're not getting peak Cam Newton. You're not getting. You know a guy. That's GonNa all of a sudden increase the value of anybody. Of what they were with Brady, because what Brady did with elements would brady did with white that was catered to his skill set. It was catered to what those guys needed from their quarterback cam is different, and so I think cam for him to kill Harry is a big win. You know that that's the type of receiver like you know. Where whereas Brady and we've had this conversation. Conversation about Godwin. An Edmonds is Brady GonNa make those guys better given that we didn't see him. Outside of the Randy Moss era, really excel with an outside receiver. Cam will do that, you know. He did it with Steve. Smith who played inside announced that he did it with the guys we talked about Benjamin and a little bit of pharmacists and a little bit again. You know so. I am curious to see which tight end wins the job you know because i. do think that's something that you can. Especially we're GONNA do you know I was GonNa say this for Monday show, but we're going to do a Scott Fishbowl mock draft on our twitch on Tuesday, night, and in any tight end premium. This could be a spot where you look for somebody you know whether it's. Osteology, who would be my favorite choice? If I had to take a patriots tight, End Matt Lacoste maybe. If. He's the one that ends up being the safety valves and a better blocker than than the young kids. Know so that's something that you want to keep an eye on, but Nikiel. Harry is the one I think of the weapons who you go, okay, this could be could be something like i. don't Care About Muhammad to know he is not somebody. That's GONNA. Intrigue me on Draft Day. You know maybe changes during the season on waivers. Element is the same. Why'd I think is a little better? And Harry is somebody that you know now is know you're drafting as a V receiver night after. Maybe it was worth. Why is white better? Because, I think you know. Obviously you know knowing that again like Ben, said you. You've seen it with McCaffrey, a little bit wide. I think just based on the weaponry. They're they're? They don't have a lot and I think this is where mcdaniels McDonald's those game. Things for for James White still. He's so good at what he does. And the offense will be better at Jamie's Ryan competency and. We saw it with Newton could throw. He made Christian McCaffrey's receiving role really strong as we're sitting here, talking. It seems to me that Julian. Ataman makes a lot of sense to get a lot of the targets that new news to send to Greg. Yeah I agree with Jamie the OSCE OSCE would be the pattern that I. Prefer, but he's never really used Newton A to my recollection, any kind of receiver at any kind of high volume role at all. And now that the Would it would make some sense if element took a lot of those types of targets right, and before you get into the tendencies. He's never used the slot receiver I. Don't know where Steve. Smith was playing in two thousand eleven and twelve, but. He Cam Newton had never thrown two running backs until Christian McCaffrey so good players going to adapt personnel, a slight exception, two thousand eleven, Jonathan Stewart at four hundred and thirteen receiving yards, forty seven catches. That's pretty good, but after that no running back had more than two hundred and twenty six yards, receiving no running back before. Who had eleven? Touchdown catches in two years with Cam. Not Including two, thousand, nine, nineteen, no running back more than two receiving touchdowns. I don't think any way at least not the leading receiving running back on team. It might it might be possible like Mike Tolbert caught a few. I don't know, but the fact is. You know you can't always look tendencies because players can break those tendencies based on the personnel around them based on the coaching and I just think I can't imagine. A more. Sharp contrast. The Patriots go from Tom Brady Cam Newton. It's just fascinating. Abella checks been saying. A lot of things about Lavar Jackson over the last you know year plus and and running didn't know different types of offenses, and he's at comments about Newton that in the past that have floated today now. I'm just saying I. Just think it's fun. It's you know it's. But it's interesting I agree. It's a huge contrast, but I think it's interesting that they're going to probably be a completely different type offense. Any final thoughts, guys. WHO's GonNa? Win The NFC AFC's. I hope you sell to. I think people are going to dwell too much on the talent around him when he's been really successful with limited talented around dating back to college dating back to Juku when he won an Juku national title. This guy can carry an offense when he's healthy James I open healthy and if he's healthy. They're going to be good. WHO's GonNa? WHO's GonNa? Win The division. WHO THEM! Who's you depends on his health if he's healthy, I think they win it. Agree I like I just keep looking I'm staring at my rankings as we're talking, and it's a very similar conversation like you and there's only a year removed like you forget how good Ben Rothlisberger wasn't twenty eight thousand. You forget how good Cam Newton can be if he he's thirty one obviously what he does best requires him rushing, but you know back to before. If you're telling me right now, he's GonNa run for five hundred plus yards that to me is he's got top five potential. Right there that are the only number be here number. I could throw for twenty five hundred yards. Five hundred yards that means he's gotTa be close to one hundred percent and I. Think he's got a chance to put numbers. That's all right, but not twenty five hundred yards. Let's talk a little bit. We're right now. He's got five hundred yards by the end of the twenty twenty season I think he's GonNa end up having a good year. 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Middlekauff  3 & Out  NFL "Max" QB's; Brady the G.O.A.T. teammate; Lamar Jackson has problems

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

34:07 min | 2 years ago

Middlekauff 3 & Out NFL "Max" QB's; Brady the G.O.A.T. teammate; Lamar Jackson has problems

"Hi, everybody. Calling coward here. Host of the ever-growing heard podcast. I'm in the honesty business. You know that I don't feel I tell you what you want to hear. But what you need. We talk every day. About the sports stories, you have opinions on the heard podcast network. Now is a one stop shop for all sports fans listened to the heard that H E R D with Colin coward on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. What is going on? Everybody happy Memorial Day. This is one of the better days of the year, you know, if you actually have a real job and have the day off. No grey day. I come from a long line of military men. My dad's brother actually died in Vietnam. Both my grandparents fun World War, Two grant grandfather's. So I would imagine, many people listening to this, obviously, the connection between football, and the military runs really strong with coaches and players and just as importance. So it's, it's an awesome day and I was thinking, you know, it's about five thirty as I'm starting to record this, like, why do I not do a podcast? It's not like I tending to my children or headed out to eat with my wife, so I said, I guess some takes on some things going on with football going to be. No middlekauff mailbag this week, I'm outta middlekauff mail back questions. I've used them all up. I've answered. All you guys slide up into my DM's at John middlekauff. It's my Instagram handle at John middlekauff. We do it, every, every show except this one empty, I do a segment whereas, entry guys questions at John middlekauff slide up in my DM's wide open on Instagram. Same as my Twitter handle at John middlekauff, and I'll answer, your questions here on the podcast coming up today with the NBA finals right around the corner of the irony, about the NBA is all we talk about max contracts, and really the only people to get max contracts in the NFL, our quarterbacks, and I think there are some parallels there. Just kind of a pretty awesome, awesome picture. I think it would have been Friday or Saturday to Kiel. Harry tweeted out, Brady Instagram that of those to work in house on, like levian, and Odell and some of the guys that don't go to otas, Tom Brady still gets it in and then Lamar Jackson an interesting quote on an organization and an offense that I showed it a while ago, but we'll dive into that. But I. One thing that I listen, I, I love the NBA I've been lucky enough to live in the bay area and watch this entire warriors run over the last five years, got to go to game seven three years ago when the bron- one Ben to some of the coolest moments of this warriors run, and has been pretty special but they they've benefited I think you all know the to me, there are MAC. They use the term in, in basketball max player, and it's the most overused term now semantics, you can be a max player worth Amax contract. And not be amac's player, Chris Paul Kemba Walker. You know there are a lot of players. Karl Anthony towns, the Devon Booker is a lot of young guys. Get these enormous contracts are overpaid. There are no more like the NBA has more overpaid players than any leak by a mile. And I think the media in the NBA does a poor job and doesn't the players and the league a disservice. It's the most over hyped league like in the NFL you can't come at me and tell me a players really good. When he's not, especially a quarterback now, we can argue you know as the guy at top ten quarterback, but you can't take some random guy like you know what Joe flacco actually last three years. Isn't that a top twelve quarterback every person with a brain look at you looking idiot? Now. Joe flacco got like a lot of NBA players will vary overpaid and he was not producing. I personally am a believer. That's why I love the NFL not guaranteed contracts. And the only people that get the majority of true guarantees or quarterbacks. Listen in benefits the fan when you have flexibility, and you can get out of contracts because as a fan, you are fan of your team now you like players. But when that player stops producing you don't hold on much either as you know, the fans. I, I don't think they often realize they're much more like Bill Belichick than they realize you turn on players when they suck that doesn't. Mean you don't respect them for what they've done for your team. We you're ready to have him gone like everyone in Baltimore. Joe flacco, won them a Super Bowl five years ago was ready to see him go it was time and it held. They waited too long. We'll dive into the ravens here in a minute, with the NBA as if any of you watch Leonard, this playoffs. He's basically, looks like Michael Jordan mixed with Scottie Pippin. He is van incredible. He is to me. Obviously LeBron Kevin. And Steph those guys are on their own little level. True alpha max players, then I would say Kawais right there as a guy that you give the max to and can be your alpha, then there's a group of guys like James harden canny, well, you can pay them. And he's phenomenal during the regular season but he's gonna lose in the postseason and he needs the second guy. Well, if you give them the wrong second guy like Chris, Paul, he's got no shot genus, or as he goes by Jaanus is incredible. But he's a flawed player though. He's twenty four years old. You don't hesitate giving the max but there is a chance that he never develops an all around game. And then there are countless other players like Daimler. I love Dame load. He's arguing my fav- arguably my favorite athlete in all pro sports. I love everything stands for love the way he plays. He's about to get signed to a one hundred ninety one million dollar contract in the fifth year that contract is going to pay him around fifty million dollars. I loved aim Lillard, and that makes me puke in my mouth thinking about that. But I think there are some parallels with the NFL like in the NBA Klay, Thompson Samak's guy is long as he has a true alpha max on his team, which he does he actually has to, but even when Kevin Durant leaves, he'll still have Seth kyri as you saw in Boston this year. He is not a true max guy, but you put them on New York with Kevin Durant. You got a chance. I e LeBron and Kyrie, like you can have a max guy is long as they have a better version next to them. If you max out that guy and he is not and you treat him as your outflow and he does not have a sidekick you're screwed. Or if he doesn't have a guy better, then you really are screwed and you see it all around the NBA we're in the NFL you get in these positions where you have to pay the quarterback. They make a ton of money. It's my big issue like with Kirk cousins. He actually if you look at the Minnesota Vikings. They had an Alfa team. They had a team that was poisoning, the playoffs again loaded. At at every position except offense blind, and they quote unquote they didn't overpay because there was a market, actually, the jets were willing to pay more. And they got her cousins for eighty-five million dollars guaranteed. And he was not good enough to get into the playoffs now because I wanted to offensive line wasn't good enough. Well, that's on him to manipulate it. I'm sorry, like that's you're paying this guy all that money he's a terrible athlete. That's on you. He's not an eighty five million dollars a year quarterback. You look at the guys that are like Russell Wilson. Iron Mike Lombardi on his podcast. And I'm not into give another people pub on their podcast. But I always, like, Mike Lombardo, I think he's got, you know, informative opinions on his podcast. He claimed that Russell Wilson wasn't a top five quarterback. My jaw hit the floor beside Brady. Rodgers and Brees now. And those guys are older. Obviously, I think thirty and under beside luck, there is not a guy in the league I'd rather have, and he'd be right up there with, like Mahomes, now obviously Mahomes pretty specialties, and we started one year. I'm john. Talking about guys have played a little bit. If you don't think Russell Wilson is like a true alpha max guy. You're out of your mind. They sold off all the defensive players. You could name about two starters on the team last year they were widely considered as a team that was going to compete for the number one overall pick. They made the playoffs. They made the freaking playoffs Russell Wilson, a lead alpha, and I think that's the hard part with younger players in the NFL is that you have to decide unlike the NBA to give them this two hundred million dollar max. It's usually after your eight in the NFL, especially if you take them in the first round, you have to decide after your four and if the guy has had any form of success. You're sometimes you're team is so good. I think you see this with Trubisky now luckily, they're going to have a couple of years this year, or next year decide entre Bisky, but they make the playoffs every year and even be competitive in the playoffs because the team is so stat you feel good about giving Trubisky thirty eight million dollars. I don't know. And I'm not gonna make a definitive statement because I believe in the coach. I loved they're just that roster. And I just think that he has some time. Now. What I bet on him ever being a Mahomes, Russell Wilson, a lock that type guy. No. But sometimes you get new position where you just gotta pay them. And when you don't draft them in the first round and I saw this a couple years ago with Derek Carr, the raiders had no choice. They had to give him huge cash the forty Niners when they got their quarterback. He was heading into free agency, and on my other podcast. Hey middlekauff we've talked about in the past. Well, should they have maxed out, you know, Jimmy Garoppolo or should they have just given him the franchise tag? Well, let's just play the counter let's say they should have given the franchise tag. So last year you franchise tag him. Well, he's coming back from an ACL. What would you have done this year? You're not just going to let them walk you probably would've franchise tag him again because if you didn't franchise tag him some team that needs a quarterback in every year they're five to ten teams this year for. The first time in forever. It seemed like there wasn't that many teams so many guys have been drafted recently, the dolphins whoever someone would signed him. So you would have had the franchise them again. So like the NBA players the quarterback is the one player with some leverage. But when you overpay the wrong, one in overpays the wrong word when you just pay the guy quarterbacks deserve a lot of cash just like NBA superstar is a lot of cash, you just better pay the right guy. Because when you pay the Matt Stafford who I always rooted for I love everything he stands for. He's my type guy. Like to hang out drink beers. Go duck hunting, hang on the lake enlist tunes like I'd like to hang out with Matt Stafford. And he showed flashes at points early in mid way through his grew on my this guy's got a little Brett farve in his game. He's not a max quarterback. And if you max amount, you got no shan't no chance to win win dick because if you max out a quarterback, you want to have a chance to win. Big Aaron Rodgers Russell Wilson. Andrew luck. Those guys give you a legitimate chance of the Super Bowl. Obviously tom. Ladies and wire because he takes this counts. I think the most fascinating thing is group of, you know, under twenty six twenty year old quarterbacks. Some of them, you have some time, right? The baker's Mahomes trubisky's the darnold, the Allens all these guys. You got some time Dak you don't really. And when you draft a guy in the second round and you saw this Jimmy in car, your timeline, your one year ahead of schedule because they don't have a fifth year option. So like Dak this year is going into his fourth year, ideally you'd like to get him under contract. The problem is do I sign this guy? And then it turns out like he's Devon Booker or Karl Anthony towns like he's not good enough to carry me, though. Clearly, he's talented. And I've seen him with some good players but I don't quite know. I think that's the worst position to be in like the chiefs more than likely. They're going to have a pretty good idea after this year, like Mahomes, astore. Right. Baker, I hesitate. And a lot of people on Twitter. I don't know if you've seen, but people tweeted out like you can put quarterbacks in tears. A lot of people are putting Baker a little four ahead of schedule for me. I like Baker Mayfield. I was a big believer in them coming out of college. I think he's a really talented young player. He hasn't proven dick in the NFL, not a damn thing. Now he's had some moments in games that did not matter in games that did matter. He got throttled. So let's just now, aren't you didn't have any receiver? Okay. We can make stews for everyone. All I'm saying is less pump the brakes a little bit. I'm not a big overreact to one season guy. Now, if you're one season is Mahomes ago, it's pretty clear that guy's a freak Baker. We'll see let's just see how it goes, and I think too many people, and I'm not blaming Baker on this, or put an unneeded pressure on the guy, the guy started half the games of his rookie season. Let's just say she's like Sam darnold. Josh allen. I dunno. I saw I witnessed Jared Goff had arguably the worst rookie season I've ever seen. And this last two years he's. Become a high level NFL quarterback. No, easy a superstar. I don't know. But that's going to be a thing like am I giving Jared Goff thirty five million dollars a year because if the Rams make the playoffs again this year will be fourth year. That's kind of what his numbers going to be around. It's going to be stupid. So you never wanna get into a position where, you know, you've overpaid or paid for the wrong guys in you. See it in the NBA because the quarterback is basically the NBA superstore. And when you do it in the NFL, you pay the wrong guy, especially the wrong young guy, Devon Booker call Anthony towns, you lose and you consistently lose now. And if you over pay an older guy as the Houston Rockets, Chris Paul, you get Kirk cousins you like you count regret the, the contract immediately now, ideally, you'd all want Kevin Durant, and Steph Curry's. The Aaron Rodgers. The Russell Wilson's the Andrew luck most quarterbacks and most players are somewhere in the middle. It's why you have to they have to be the right fit for your. Team. They have to have certain tangible things, they bring to the table that you like, it's why I'm a supporter of deck is he does he have the greatest arm. No. Is he the purest thrower of the ball in the NFL for all the young guys, of course not? But he is a good athlete. And he makes them big time throws some big time moments. I'm gonna use this year. I wouldn't pay him yet. I wanna see if his deep ball accuracy improves, but I just think that if you could build a high level team and you can argue that becomes difficult. When you pay a quarterback big money. I do think that's somewhat of a false narrative. The salary cap is this not the NBA then base our cap hasn't risen in three years. The NFL salary cap has risen sixty million dollars in the last six years. And after this year will raise another ten twelve million dollars, so Dak thirty million dollars on a two hundred million dollars salary cap. I'm no math major, but that's fifteen percent. So I think that's over hyped a little bit. But you better find out if kinda if he goes back to back playoff, so you're gonna no problem. Panam. But if he kind of just the band a little bit in doesn't play well and doesn't improve on his characteristics. I'm moving on. I'm not overpaying a guy because there's nothing worse. The as a read this quote on ever. Forget it in a business book. People think that the prophet is in the sale, it's in the buying price. So what you buy back at if you got pay thirty five million dollars when you already now he's kind of average. That's a problem. It's why Matt Stafford keeps crippling the lines because they bought so high. Now that number changes the cap rises. But it's the number that you come in at it's why the Jimmy Garoppolo makes twenty three million dollars this year. Everyone's oh the Derek Carr contracts there. Bill Derrick May's twenty million dollars this year. It's not that much when you factor in the salary cap, so you but when it comes to quarterbacks you're going to see it and all these young guys because we talk about it nonstop, there's only going to be a select few that are really carriers. Hey, I'm Andy, if you don't know me, it's probably because I'm not famous, but I did start a men's grooming company called Harry's. The idea for Harry's came out of a frustrating experience. I had buying razor blades. 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At their profession. It's why we have wage gaps. I'm a big believer in business. Like there is not equality in there should not be equality. Some people are worth more. Some people are smarter. Some people are better closer. Some people are great salesman. Some people are these techies can code. I live in Silicon Valley. I don't live in Silicon Valley, but I live up street from it. I couldn't hang with these coders. They're genesys. So everyone is not equal professionally and the easiest place usually to see that is in sports, because you can see who's decent see who's good. And you can see great. It's pretty obvious. Like in business lets you work in a company it's hard to know who's great at what now public companies we get their balance sheets. We get a good idea who sell and who's not selling. What products are crushing? But it's much easier in sports, like, you know, Steph curry Oto Beckham you just go through the list. Mike trout, there's, there's better than most players that their position. But I think there's one guy in sports. I actually ironically saw video from LeBron on Instagram and it's him smoking cigars with Russell Westbrook. Chris Paul, former teammate Tristan Thompson, and it got me thinking can you imagine how far would go if LeBron had three or four of his younger Laker teammates over, if I flipped on that video, and there's the more I thought about it. Maybe that Chris Pohl tristen and Russell Westbrook appliance Space Jam as probably what they're doing. But still, there smoking cigars was looks like in the back of LeBron house. Just chilling hanging out moral, they, can you imagine if that video had been the same video smoking cigars playing poker, and it was. Kyle Kuzma Lonzo ball. And Brandon Ingram you'd be like then we'll bronze making an effort, we all know the older, we get if zip cult to deal with younger people. I remember now looking back when I was young. And I wasn't the easiest kid to raise like how difficult it probably wasn't. My parents even had me older. We didn't always see eye to eye but they always mention that for spend a lotta time with me in most parents, good, parents attempt to get to know their kids and relate to their kids and it takes effort to be a good Barrett right? Well, I think when you look at quarterbacks, and I think LeBron is a good example of this to as you get older. You have to make more of an effort to relate once you're thirty five thirty six thirty seven or Tom Brady forty two more of an effort to understand guy is twenty twenty one twenty two where when you're twenty five like when I first started working, I remember, Fresno state. Fresh out of Cal poly, I was twenty three years old actually had a lot in common with a lot of players on the team. I'm still good friends. With some of them to this day, I was their age. I didn't have to work hard. We just naturally thought similarly, you know, we were all in the same age group. Well, as I got older, you see less, and less like that. I don't have that much in common. I remember my one of my second year in Philadelphia with the eagles. We were interviewing a young guy for like an internship and ours remembers like looking through his Twitter account. And he just had pretty innocuous tweaks in kind of judging it and thinking now like how stupid that was. Of course he was on Twitter. He was he grew up at a Twitter Instagram, Snapchat generation, and now you know, six seven years later, that's much more normal. But there is always a big disconnect. So when you're an older player, you have to make an effort to get to know guys and some people have hit me up because I've crushed levian bell Odal Beckham in all these players that are taking off OTA's because I think it's so stupid. It's so easy to go. Even if you're in a contractual argument with the team, you should just go. It makes. Everything easier. It is easy to do it. Your trading? Anyway. You might as well trade with your teammates. But what I see Tom Brady who's taking it off for the second straight year, forty two years old. He's also won six championships. I give them a little bit more of the benefit of the doubt. But there was a picture that came out Friday night, and it was him into keel hairy. He and Nicole Harry over to his house, and they were throwing it looks like in his backyard. I mean he has an enormous mansion estate and they were just throwing out. Would imagine after they threw maybe I don't know what they'd eat. Because Tom eats like vegan ice cream, and who knows what he eats, but I would imagine they just hung out and spend some time together. Tom Brady, one of his greatest gifts. Obviously, he's one of the great competitor is ever. He's accurate all the all the football stuff but he makes an effort with his teammates. He constantly makes effort with people, he's the leader of the ship, obviously bell. Check runs the organization but when the locker doors when the locker room doors close and it's just the players. The fifty three of them. They all look at him. I as. I should, and you have to make an effort when you're forty two and relate to the guys in their early to mid twenties, and it feels like consistently. He always does. And I don't think he gets enough credit for that. And I have nothing. But admirations for him as a player, everything he stands for how hard he's worked to maintain this, but that is the ultimate get it guy. And that's what separate like Aaron Rodgers you read stories and hear stories from people around the league or people that cover that team. There's some disconnect sometimes with him in the younger players, like with Tom if your talent it he makes an effort. Now he's down on you when he finds out, you can't play when he thinks you can play any likes he's gonna make an effort to get to know you and for the most part, you become lifelong friends with them. Matt Cassel still buddies Jimmy Garoppolo still Jacoby percent. Wes Welker to Julian Edelman, Danny amendola. What you're in inner circle your tight with him. It's like the mob and I don't think he gets quite enough credit for that. And it's. Why that when I crushed Levy on for not showing up. That's an embarrassment. There's no way around at him not showing up. Otas is an embarrassment Oto Beckham spending two days. Total in Cleveland is an embarrassment. That's joke. Tom Brady though doesn't show up to camp. And actually, though I read out rear had an MVP piece made a good point like it would actually throw off campus little bit. If you're not going to consistently come to a mall because they have a built the way they do things in New England but Tom still makes an effort man, he's still gonna know Nikiel hair very well. I think Tom smart enough to realize you're gonna need this guy gronk on. But to me that picture kinda sums up Tom Brady Nikial hairy at his house, hanging catching footballs Nikial, Harry won't be twenty two years old till December Tom Brady's forty two years old. That's I'm no math major, but a twenty plus year difference, and they're still grinding working together, Tom Chelsea handler. And I'm launching a brand new podcast with iheartradio called life will be the death. Of me, and I'm gonna talk to all these different people, my BFF Mary McCormack. That's what we should call. My book tour the apology, or great idea. Sorry. Everyone on this whole podcast should be called. It should be called with the orange because of the orange theme in the book Archie. Glad I went to therapy. Life will be the death of me with. Chelsea handler listening subscribe at apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Let's. Let's get into Lamar Jackson. I've seen some pretty interesting things coming out of ravens, camp a across my Twitter timeline. Over the last week, I saw this, I think at the end of last week that Lamar Jackson is still having issues throwing the football. Let me let me say that again. Lamar Jackson is still having issues throwing the football. That'd be like, you know, I was gonna listen to middlekauff podcast, but he's having issues talking. He can't talk, you know what I was going to take my wife for anniversary to this restaurant. But the chef was having trouble making food. It's pretty nice. When you say out loud, several of his passes wobbled through the air, I feel like my hand is a little too high on the football. And that makes the ball go out of whack. Now, let me say this all somewhat defend Lamar Jackson. He's working on some stuff, right? He's trying to clean up his mechanics. It's the off-season not that big of a deal now. Ideally, what I want that happening, you know, going into you, too, when I draft them in the first round probably not. But it by no means is the end of the world. But I found this. This a little more interesting. Let me see if I can pull up the tweet here that Lamar Jackson. Okay. Lamar jackson. He didn't know the ravens would be implementing quote a totally different offense and quote. There's some hype on the ravens a lot of people were all in on the mar Jackson. Listen, I'm not I'm rooting for the kid. He seems like a incredibly nice young man. Great guy, high character guy. I root for high character people, whether they're in football, whether they're whatever job you're in, if, if I find out about you, you're a good guy. I just naturally root for you. I think most humans kind of do that when we find out people are bad guys. You know, it's much harder to root for less. They play for team or you know, I don't know. I guess, I don't know how you'd root for a bad guy unless maybe a business he was making you money, unless we're somehow invested but Lamar Jackson. One he's mechanically trying to overhaul his game and two. They have gone all in on this offense trying to build the thing around the more, and I think deep down the more just because he is, you know, competitor in a quarterback kind wishes they can throw the ball little bit more, but don't get it twisted. They're basically going to run the glorified option wing t offense. Here's what Lamar said coming into offseason workouts. I didn't know we would have a totally different office when I got here, coach was like, yeah, we have a totally new system. So when he showed up for the off season John Hore boss says, get ready Lamar this bad boy's completely different from what you were doing last year. We have a totally new system, you're going to have to go through this, and that is getting to me a little bit. So Lamar Jackson is getting overwhelmed with this option offense. Now listen, I think it's telling you all you need to know John Harbaugh which I thought was a little crazy that he stayed with the ravens given to the as a quart. Now back to can't throw is putting all chips on the table in running this crazy option offense. And there's gonna run it around the more, and I think I've heard data Jeremiah say it before, like this, he's probably not going to be a second contract guy. They're going to go all in for two or three years. And just try to win it this way. Well, I got news for you. You can't win doing it this way. It is not a sustainable way to play the only way you can possibly win doing it. This way, is when you implement it midseason and teams aren't ready for it. When teams have an offseason we've seen with the San Francisco forty Niners. You can't stifle it. The difference with capper Nick is he was a much better thrower and a much more explosive. Thrower in his team was just way better than Lamar Jackson. It wasn't even close capper, Nick, also. Labar shiftier capper, Nick was, I don't know what is forty time. Wasn't the Vada? I honestly don't care because his place speed was incredible in. His peak. He could fly, but he also just had an absolute hose, and he was hit, or hermit accuracy wise. But when he was on you were done because he threw like Brett for rope. And when the when the forty Niners went the opposite. What they're doing? Lamar Jackson try to spread the offense out it crippled the offense John Harbaugh who kinda probably took notes from his brother realized, we're not even gonna mess with that. We're going all in. Tom osborne. Nebraska, nineteen ninety six with Lamar Jackson. I just don't see two things how it's possible to sustain winning that way, unless you have the best defense in the league they just lost a bunch of defensive players and you can like people up with their quarterback running. Well, here's the problem. Lighten people up with a quarterback running. You don't want your quarterback to consistently run. He'll get killed Lamar Jackson doesn't weigh two hundred and fifty Jerome Bennis. You're gonna have him keep these option places gonna get destroyed even capper Nick three or four years in his body broke down. He had a bad finger messed up his thumb had some knee ish. Issues like he started hitting capita. Didn't even take that big hits Lamar Jackson's already taken got. Molly walked a few times, as a rookie what's going to happen when they go all in on this offense. I said from the jump, I would not have drafted him mainly because I did not see his ability to pass. You know what the ravens fan, you know, what middlekauff we agree with you? We don't think the kid can pass so you know what? We're not gonna ask them to pass. We're just going to run this option offense and even Lamar's like what the hell are we doing? This is kind of crazy. There's no team that I have less faith in to make the playoffs now because they're going to be just so different. They're going to win some games Harbaugh has a culture there of toughness, the defense, regardless if they siphoned through players as always solid. But here's the problem if this offense is just not working through four five six games. Let's say they start kinda slow or two and three or three and five John Harbaugh does not have the expertise were no anything about offense to help them out for greatest har- by is. And I think he. Phenomenal leader. He's good with young players. He just his team is typically ready to play in big games. He's obviously bell. Check several times. It's one Super Bowl, but when stuff gets derailed and goes off the beaten path offensively, there's nothing he can do. It's why they've had so many issues over his tenure on offense. He's a he's a fish out of water when it comes to offense, I think he can motivate because defense is all about toughness and he knows special teams. But when it comes to the intricacies of offense and especially quarterback play. He brings nothing to the table. Nothing. So I was already down on the ravens, because I wasn't that high on the Mark Jackson again nothing personal, just don't like him as a player out on the ravens. I think they could be in just four one of those like six and ten seasons knows like what the hell was that, especially in that division? You have the Browns are going to be a lot better. The Steelers are gonna be out for blood. You know, the Bengals you could argue have. Better players. Now, I don't know much coat. I your coach you got Andy Dalton AJ green. Some of these guys come back from injuries. I is there a chance that the ravens when we look up and the dust settles like January first they finished last place in the AFC north and we're talking about this. Lamar Jackson experiment was disaster twice said that the, the people in the media did him such a disservice acting like he was some superstar player. You can't be a superstar quarterback if you can't throw, and he'd literally is working on throwing right now Wassily balls, now you can throw Peyton Manning through a wildly bowl. It was accurately placed into the wide receivers hands Lamar Jackson wobbly balls and up in the in the training table sideline. So I'm out on the ravens. I get it's may. They don't have to play a game for months. But this is not a good sign Harbaugh's waving the white flag. They're going Tom Osborne. Mid-nineties Nebraska Cornhuskers. Get ready for that offense. I got news for you. Bet offense does not work on. Sundays, you could argue hell that offense doesn't even work on Saturdays anymore. But I'll promise you, it doesn't work on Sundays ravens get ready. This could be an ugly, ugly season Prejean everyone. Listen again, I need you for this middlekauff mail bags DM's wide open at John middlekauff on Instagram slide right in, in only enter your questions. Come on slide. Right in John middlekauff, answer the questions seal later this week. Three and out pod. Thanks for listening, godspeed audios piece CEA. Hi, I'm Chelsea handler. And I'm launching a brand new podcast with iheartradio called life will be the death of me. And I'm gonna talk to all these different people, my BFF Mary McCormack. That's what we should call. My book tour the apology, our great idea. Sorry. Everyone on this whole podcast should be called. It should be called with the orange because of the orange theme in the book Archie. Glad I went to therapy. Life would be the death of me with Chelsea handler. 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MOCK DRAFT + Gordon Reinstated, Preseason Hype

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MOCK DRAFT + Gordon Reinstated, Preseason Hype

"Oh it is draft week for so many people out there. This is the time this is the week where you're going to squeeze and get the beautiful juice out of your draft squeeze. The ultimate draft get goto ultimate draft. Get right now. You have to squeeze this lease. Look at the player profile while videos look at all the blurbs on all the players the tier based rankings get everything you need squeezed that beautiful precious victory out of your draft that ultimate draft get dot com and landed. You know that spotify can be used in your car. Get all your favorite music now on the road with you and all your favorite podcasts as well. No no need to switch between apps. Your daily drive is a brand new playlist. A mix of music news made just for us the best thing to happen in cars since the stereo. Take spotify for a ride in your car today learn more at spotify dot com slash drive. This is just to seal from the baltimore ravens and you're listening to the fantasy football podcast. Ah welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from pristine auction dot com studios with your hose andy holloway jason moore and my grade welcome squeezed you quite the <hes> <hes> quite the u._k. Promotion jason you're so gifted with word they do juice worth the squeeze is is with the u._d. Kate shoe's worth the squeeze welcome into the fantasy football podcast. I'm andy holloway joined his always by jason moore and mike the a fantasy hit man right. It is monday august nineteenth. We have a great show for you. Our final mock draft her facade of the season logger dingo. We've got a great quick question. We have some news. That's been breaking josh gordon. Antonio brown may or may not be a happy at this moment <hes> so much going on we got news. We got footballers news too we do. We've got at the negligible going on right now. For <hes> all the foot clan. There's over thirty five hundred of you in the mega ball tournament right now or and you can find that at joined the foot dot com you can find us on twitter at the f. f. ballers the websites the fantasy football dot com. This is the biggest draft week of the year culminating in the biggest draft day of the year which will be saturday. Yes we have a live show saturday. Ooh in phoenix man this. This week is pushing out fold predictions episode and so this is go time i mean we got preseason jason week to in the books other than tonight will a real dante pettis. Please stand up to find out about that and <hes> a we. Have we have other news. I mean mike you said you were going to mention a little something something i was if you're not on the social media's which what are you doing follow at at the f. f. ballers along with this beautiful podcasts that you listened to each and every weekday now on thursdays during drive time and we will also have a live show on sirius x._m. You ever wanted to call and chat with us live on the air now. You'll be able to do that on on sirius x._m. Very very excited for it clearly. They don't know what they're getting themselves into jason. Jason live live for two hours. Watch out ear so that's on watch out ears. Go to one big you <hes> that'll be live basically right before thursday football throughout the off season sirius x._m. Fantasy sports radio so that'll be in addition to all the podcast stuff that we're doing podcast is going nowhere no no but staying right here in your ears. You're all right. Here's a quick question of the day. We got news big news the n._f._l. Reinstating patriots wide receiver josh gordon. Josh gordon is back. We've said that up before we're saying it again. Just gordon is back. What is his fantasy value and impact on the other patriots players. Where did you rank him. Who does it hurt. Who does it help. I need three more questions. <hes> can you get three more questions out of the josh gordon news. There's one isn't keel harry still your number. One pick for dynasty drafts. Ooh there's two k. Bill check a big. Josh gordon fan oh. He did it number three <hes> i'll jump in here my initial rankings of josh gordon he. He came in at thirty nine that i need more news to know. Oh is conditional reinstatement. We still need more things to unfold as in is this also all seasons seasons. All cylinders go for for week one. If it is then josh gordon will actually move up in my rankings lashes. Your essay last year in games were rob. Gronkowski did not play you. You saw a monster uptick josh gordon production. You're talking an extra thirty yards a game an extra three targets. Ah game like we we've talked about. Who's going to be the fill in. Who's who's going to fill those holes for for tom. Brady with rob gronkowski out and josh gordon will you couldn't put him in the equation because of of his <hes> being on the commission's list not being able to play. We don't know if he's gonna come back but now that he is back the answer to who will fill in that whole the most. I is josh gordon for me. I don't disagree. He has impressive of a twelve game debut in the patriots offensive system as a player can have i've last year missed. Obviously the three playoff games missed the last two regular season games as well. It has a big impact to me on the keel harry's upside for the the season. If josh gordon's on the field sodas a surgery mccue larry's recent surgery nicole harry yeah i mean you in dicey leagues adjusting your perspective on harry. I still think gary is great. We'll be great but if i'm if i'm a rookie draft right now i'll gonna take one of the running backs at number one just because i want to soak up that that value immediately announced now harry's path to immediate <hes> immediate fantasy value is diminished. Okay <hes> julian. Edelman mint. Mike you the most bullish in the office. <hes> i think as little impact on him and i think it helps brady. Yes give him a reliable target argued when you lose gronkowski and such yeah i mean it's it's good in the reality is if you're doing a draft right now josh gordon. It's gonna take him a while to get all the way up to his peak a._d._p. That's what happens whenever a player comes in people don't know what a draft show. I take him in the oh the seventh sixth fifth and eventually people start taking them in the fourth or or around there but i do want to caution people right now as of right now. I believe he's full gopher week when he can't play in this preseason game but he he is ready to go for week. One we haven't heard from the patriots if he's just the defacto star yet but he's not without risk right like we have many years of josh gordon on and off the field. He has been reinstated many times before and never unfortunately been able to stick with it so everyone that is just like oh. He's going to be the clear number one for the patriots. You're getting value. I just i caution you that i hope he i mean for the man. I really hope he can stick with. It have a great season. I i look if he finishes this year with sixteen games. It will be the first time he does so since his rookie rookie season in two thousand twelve also i was thinking of of decay metcalf knee surgery that was the recent news harry's been banged up but no surgery yeah yeah i was. I was confusing the case hey sound you don't wanna do that might just to piggyback on what you're saying jason i i look at it as an opportunity to trae rage. Josh gordon a mirror. That's kind of dynasty and that's the way i'm looking at. It is okay. I have somebody i can now and you do though i've had people come after him. I'll career four people come after him right away but are they low ball offers. Yes yeah. Is anyone come with anything substantial for him. They've been okay. I mean there's been a couple of okay. When people love love the mystery they love the whoa. Josh gordon has done the things that fantasy owners need a player to do to get them hot and bothered which is having number one fantasy season at the wide receiver position run rough shot over defensive and defensive backs last year even eighteen the cats for josh gordon. He just lives down the field he met and now now now. Who's the best red zone weapon that this team has. Josh gordon could be yeah. I think they'll stick with gills but yeah but if you gave me sixteen games for both players i think gordon has more tush so fun all right. Let's get into some news news news and notes from around the league presented vice sleeper all right one game a pre. You know one preseason game a career does not make but to kobe percent looked really really good. That was one of my takeaways from week to do eight for ten a touchdown to ibran. There's a chance to kobe beef. Briscoe has to start week one so you like seeing him <music> out. He's he's one of my favorite backups. Footbinding sought three backup. He's actually competent as a backup however the biggest takeaway from that game to me he was the footage of andrew luck actually warming up doing some lateral drills. Did he have the duke in his hand mike he was it a full size football uh away that was last year the problem last year i have i've moved. Maybe this is just a snap reaction but i've got andrew. Look back up. I think after seeing that in the way that they're handling him. I think he's gonna be ready week one. It's a fun show band. Trust me i get it that we're all over the place with andrew luck but the colts are all over the place with andrew luck. It's really hard to get an actual pulse on what's happening all all right <hes> other takeaways from preseason week two. I loved what i saw from david montgomery in week two. It's genuine genuine which was nothing which we didn't play. They didn't play him that in preschool or cohen by the way right in preseason. Here's what the the the a tiered rankings of what matters for running backs tier one day didn't play tier two. They get the first snap tear. You know what i mean like. If you're not playing that means coaches like yeah. I need you for the team. You're not messing with this preseason game. You know who else didn't play malcolm. Brown brown didn't play brown is the handcuffs todd gurley one hundred percent. I am an agreement at this point. The malcolm brown is the handcuff he would be the more valuable option and i you know everything going on with the darrell henderson aka toernell anderson. I'm never gonna let it die. <hes> i ah. I can't imagine drafting him anywhere near where his a._d._p. As it should be falling it's just a it's a risky pick. Your your really betting on something that none of the evidence is pointing to through camp in preseason. I'd say and you do have some n._f._l. Coaches that go the other direction of the. I'm not gonna play anybody like the pittsburgh steelers where you saw. I think it was fourteen snaps. The first off first team offense it was all james connor and it was aw vance mcdonald vic your security and that includes vance mcdonald fumbled right away trying to run somebody over. I think your the way that we view advance. Macdonald has to go from. Maybe he's maybe he's the guy with everything points to jesse. James has gone. He's he's the guy he is the primary starting parting tight end the full-time guy for this team a team that needs pass catching is so i'm not. It's still tough to chase him at the a._d._p. That he has gotten got into but i'm at least far more comfortable with now than it was two weeks ago. I was always engaging in trade discussions throughout the weekend that circled around me giving up vance mcdonald getting back o._j. Howard in a big dynasty trade but i was interesting i was obviously including a a lot more right and i questioned the whole time. You know like i wanna buy o._j. Howard before the breakout but do i do. I want to sell vance before the breakout. The aids aged thing is really what convinced me to do it as well but yeah it was encouraging to see that the snap counts for first team offense are interesting bribe. You know connors the guy in pittsburgh sir in pittsburgh in seattle. The seventeenth snaps with russell wilson on the field chris carson took fourteen of them carson's going to be ridiculous. Rashad penny took three chris carson was targeted. Guess curse. I think the rich person had like fifty percent of the opportunities of of those place when i made my dante pettis pivot you know there's a certain amount of love of a father bestows upon his three my guys most of the love that i took from penn gave the carson. He's got like a double heaping of love. I love from me well-deserved. We have to address something that took place in detroit there were there were three basically basically starter drives with kerryon johnson and the the running backs in detroit. Kerryon johnson came off the field on all three drives for third down the the first two c. J. anderson took the third down a third time. It was tied johnson who some in detroit if you listened believe is a very capable theo riddick replacement. Where are you with what took place jason i washington. I tweeted it out because i know everyone's one's looking in this direction for all the kerryon johnson takes. I mean it will be a backfield that is split up. There's you've never said anything on the contrary. I hoped that may be daryl. Bevill would some reason just make it a workhorse but <hes> you know the pass. Catching is the real question mark here. I do you still expect kerryon johnson to have a very large role in the passing game. He's great at it. <hes> he was clearly still the starter on each dr. He was clearly and statistically be best running back there but the thing i didn't like was seen kerryon johnson into the second quarter. That was like look if you wanna rest these guys if you're you know if you're coach mr. I want to share the work. Get these starters out of the game but i i mean i still have kerryon johnson and right now as a top twelve running back and that is on the back of a very very shared workload i. I don't think i've even got him down for. Two hundred taint carey's so. I don't think he's a workhorse back. He's just so efficient. He's going to end up being a top twelve running to me validated a little bit of the concerns about pass protection they they've been around camp any then. He wasn't on the field on third down where c. j. anderson you know maybe they're leaning on him for pass protection <hes>. He's definitely the the best runner on the team. We'll see if he doesn't catch the ball as much as as. We hope he's going to have to score. One of those. Two things has to happen. Antonio brown not in raiders camp over frustration with the helmet once again <hes> printing the n._f._l. Right that the helmet was an issue <hes> ooh well. This is just antonio brown at this point in time. This is not the same player from six years ago that was you know by all accounts everyone around humble hardworking out there do it now the the wind blows a certain direction and you have questions and you can see the frustration on mike mayock jon gruden basically they say is the all in or is the all out drew rosenhaus house. This morning comes out. He'll be back in camp soon. He hasn't really left camp. He just didn't come to practice so so bizarre antonio tony brown after the trait happened and with with the contract extension. He should've just told gruden look. I'm not coming to training camp. I don't wanna oughta be there. I'll be there week. One just go with that and let's move away from this nonsense but now as a fantasy owner windy windy take him. Do you take man. It's not like there weren't question mark and more importantly this is. This is the headline we haven't talked about. Are you taking tara red williams sooner than you than you had bought. He's look great in camp. He's a great in the preseason. If antonio brown flies off into into the sunset and a hot air balloon what tyrel is the number one receiver on the raiders yeah he he certainly could be a uh if antonio brown does grab that hot air balloon makes dern walrus aw far more interesting who if you if you didn't see his couple snaps in in <hes> in preseason he looked great. He should have had a touchdown wide open but the backup quarterback threw it to the moon. <hes> out of my whiskers offers were tingling <unk>. Watching darren walrus ryan would agree. That's the guy i wanna take a shot on because while tyrel williams could be more relevant on a target basis than darren waller. He's a wide receiver where there's a million wide receivers out there in the draft at tight end. If darren waller has relevance it's going to be much more valuable arguable than tyrod williams <hes> relevance shoutout to tyrel in best ball sure <hes> all right a couple quick things we you gotta get through it. We've got a big mock draft show today. Keenan allen is dealing with an ankle injury. Do you have concern based on injury history. Keenan allen banged up. This is coming up over and over oregon. It's highly unfortunate and he's expected to be rested for the the duration of the preseason. He should be ready week one but talk about a different offense with no melvin gordon keen and allen on week one if that was to take place yes <hes> decay metcalf. Yes nine wide receiver gary yeah u._k. Became calf needs knee surgery which is this is ridiculous of the the time line that they've given him for eight surgery. It doesn't matter what it is a niece copa cleanup seizure. They went into his knee with medical tools and they did things like it's. He's not gonna be ready yeah. We're we're already into. You know week to heading into week three the preseason i. I don't think he's going to be ready if they're doing a surgery on his knee by week one even if it's just clean up little scope it it. Certainly you know it obviously hurts his early season outlook. I mean we always say i was going to brigham the names ron brown. Who's he kinda bald out there over the in the preseason week to if he's the veteran i i don't see the seahawks seahawks passing game as one where you know look david moore and doron brown and all these other ancillary pieces. Maybe someone will step up on game to game basis but to me i am. I almost made tyler lockett one of my guys because i really really believe tyler lock is going to be a very good fantasy wide receiver this season. I just don't understand how are we couldn't and now with decay metcalf out of the way he's going to be hyper targeted all right that was today's news and notes brought to you as always by the sleeper app before we get into the mock draft which were just about to do twelve team mock draft sixth spot. 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We're doing our our final mock draft of the preseason. It's going to be a good one twelve team half p p._r. Redrafting together united we stand and <hes> we get to drop from the six spot guy and honestly to me though the five and the six bought fought with everything that has happened has become extremely difficult it earlier on in the preseason. This thing was easy. It was melvin gordon no problem problem. David johnson is the backup to that no problem here. We are melvin gordon. The talks have not pro- <hes> progressed and i've i know only we're only two weeks so there's they have a chance to impress me but i've moved david johnson down a little bit. I haven't abandoned him out of my top ten or anything like that but i have moved him down. I now have now have james connor above david johnson there. Is this fair you can make that you can make that decision that determination. I think the any my only thought on that is that if you believed ever if you ever believe in the offense that cliff kings varies bringing. You shouldn't have a reason to change that belief. It's not it's not the offense. It's watching david johnson play he. He was on all the handoffs. David johnson has not looked explosive. Watch david johnson ticket that a hand off. Last week watched joe mixing. Take take a hand up. There is a very big difference in the explosiveness right now. I don't know what's going on. I dunno for just we <hes> we mis remember who david johnson was from those three years ago. Maybe those three years of time have taken the toll and take an zapped d._j. Of a little bit of that but i i moved them down a <unk> a having settled this. I've got d._j. Down at number six now but james connor a._d._p. Wise is a bit of a reach right here. Obviously you wouldn't get him in the second round if you don't take him here but i'm just saying that this decision here has become far more difficult than it was three or four weeks okay if if we don't like david johnson and there was a clear other guy james connor to you maybe love bell may be dalvin cook. Maybe a nick chopper todd gurley earlier. They're they're all in this nebulous realm so does that mean if you're sitting on the clock six like we are. You look to someone who is a sure thing that has no question mark someone like davante adams at wide receiver. I haven't got to go through who's been drafts alvin kamara one christian mccaffrey with the second pick in barclay deandre hopkins. It's off the board at four ahead of zeke zeke at five and here we are at six so as you said davante adams on the on the board david johnson la belle nick chubb julio jones see. I like trump more than connor. That's fine <hes> but right now jumping off the page i mean you're hesitant about david johnson here if you don't want him to be the backbone of your team <hes> on this august nineteenth monday. Where would you like to go with the pick for me. It would be between james connor or davante adams. You may just wanna take your number. One wide receiver who happens happens to be available here <hes> but we we obviously share this pick. I think if this really was my team i would just go james connor but i'm comfortable with d._j. Above connor and jason why don't you make the pick for us all right. I'm gonna do this one a lot of times. We'll we'll play with. Mock drafts will say hey. I'm gonna i'm gonna try something. New out and try the different. I am taking this draft as if this was my team and i really ah trying to avoid risk in that first round i prefer having running back i do but i prefer having a player on super confident and then i'm going to get value out of so i would take davante adams. He's my number one ranked wide receiver to get him at the six th i'm finding myself pivoting to wide receiver earlier and earlier. This is where i hope i am further in the first round. You know i i would prefer to have the tenth pick where all these running backs that i'm considering at the fifth or sixth are still layer all right after adams which i did select on our behalf jason david johnson james connor michael thomas love bell nick chubb in the first round julio jones at one twelfth coming back juju tyreek beckham girly evans cook. We're on the clock when you look at the running back stairs <hes> really one guy to consider for me in n._s. Joe mixon you also damien williams carrie johnson leonard fournette melvin gordon but the last remaining guy of tier that i believe in its joe mixon lead the a._f._c. a._f._c. In rushing last season looks explosive in the preseason. I think it'll be tough sledding but no more tough sledding for mixing then it could be arizona for david johnson. It's about workload. It's about involvement in the passing game at wide receiver. You've got a beaver got allen. You've got dylan. Pick easy for me. This picks joel mix. This is is <hes>. It's not easy for me because it comes down to three players where i'm considering it going mixing freeman <hes> no because i was gonna play the a._d._p. Game i'm going to try and see if he will come back to me and it actually go damian. Williams travis kelsey joe mix and those are the three guys i'm considering entering speak damian williams. If we're trying to read anything into the preseason he saw all five snaps of the first drive for the chiefs and then they put them on ice <hes> which i'm reading as he's still locked in as the number one guy because they they left carlos hideout there for awhile. If i'm going running back i'm gonna take damian but do you want to pay up for travis kelsey. Who should have he's our number. One tight end should be in line for another fantastic season jason harrison taken. We've never taken calcium remarks. We've never taken a tight in on a mock so that would be something you could think about <hes>. I don't believe damian williams yep so were different if you're not going to agree on that i think damien williams is far too risky to p._r. One <hes> yeah to me. It's between calcium and mixing mixing would be the running back of choice here. I've moved them down a little bit from the elite of the elite because of the office offense line worries but like you said i mean he's he's in the same group with a lot of these other guys david johnson who we consider taking last round who's going to have a better year. I mean maybe d._j. But it's super close so i would be fine taking jobs you wanna lock up running. Where do you have freeman ranked right now. Devante freeman running back for the atlanta falcons. I have freeman as my running back seventeen okay. Where do you have him like. I have in ten and i have joe mixing mixing thirteen <hes> where i say i'd rather play the a._d._p. Game and see if i have zero thirteen who's ahead mix okay. I haven't twelve and thirteen. I i believe in devante freeman i do <hes> i went with mixing them because i've got him ranked higher. I think we should stick with the running back position and not not gamble too much cheer kelsey win. Next damian williams antonio brown patrick mahomes carry on at two twelve mike the gamble almost worked. We almost got freeman back to us but he did not fornet goes at three hundred one. I've been rising for net <hes> mostly because i think we've been talking about a little bit more optimism with the jags jags offense sure deal in king of the preseason adam feeling aaron jones devante freeman t. y. Hilton and we're back on the clock we atoms we have mixing. You've got keenan allen. Melvin gordon couple chargers still sitting there in the middle of the third round. Would you really consider melvin gordon here. No okay. I don't think so i wouldn't. I don't think so not i might consider. I might consider them here. If we had zeke you know if if z could fall into six so you wanna have no running backs weakland all in it's a good point my i all i meant is if i had a stalwart running back in the first round versus going in the second round with the running back. I pick i pick z. because he was at five and we were at six. But who are you thinking. I mean david montgomery jacobs chris carson. I'm willing to reach on chris carson all the way into the third round now well right now. Chris carson carson is <hes> according to this a._d._p. The back of the third round basically b-be at the turn you're not. I don't think i'm gonna get him if i don't has boarded a rocket ship yeah and i i think deservedly so i mean he he's the guy to me that is my highest ranked running back currently on the board. I have one spot ahead of devante freeman. I've got him as my running back sixteen gene so while it's much higher than we've seen chris carson go over the you know the the off season look he's. He's on a offense at wants to run the ball and he is going to be the man they're talking about getting him more and more involved in the passing game. We've seen it in camp. We've seen it in preseason. We've heard it bright. We've heard it from sources or are they the team. They've talked about how great his hands are so. Let's see if they actually utilize him. I <hes> if if this were my team i would be going with a running back because i'm going to play. The game of one of these wide receivers could come back. We're talking keenan <hes>. I guess i'm still confident in taking him. Digs ataman brandin cooks robert woods those five guys. I believe that one of them will come back. This could bite us in the butt because we're right in the middle middle middle of the round but but while we when we look at the running back position what if one the tears are getting a little bit more nebulous here in the third round if you don't it would be between man jay chris if you you don't you don't get them if you sure but i'm just trying to bring to light. Some of the names are gonna be choose him from an extra. I mean if you don't get him here. You're probably having to look at y'all. He also does derrick henry. Macon background probably does mark ingram is mark ingram your rb to on a mix in lead <hes> running back on sony. You might be able to get some sony or coleman. One right coleman is still going a little bit later in drafts. I love kevin coleman as an rb to i'd be happy taking carson and then if if those two guys that we love comeback around taking them as well all right we'll take carson all right carson off the board marlin mack melvin gordon josh jacobs keenan allen goes next david montgomery. I think brooks you pointed out. David montgomery has passed josh jacobson average draft position this past weekend third. Yeah third round is wild man. It's fine. Oh it doesn't bother me. I mean other you know. It's i just think it's wild just is that it happened. Be the here's the thing david montgomery is getting love me. He's gotten a tunnel of on this show. A lot of our friends in the fantasy industry are giving david montgomery love. Just jacobs was still a first round pick and not just we're not just talking a rashad penny where where he was penny was a first round pick nick but there was some other guys on the team that they liked josh. Jacobs is the guy four oakland. I mean it's his role is far more secured to me where as as and we're just talking risk. Another article came out today talking. It seems the whispers from the bushes are confirming what we kinda thought that they really hope that david david montgomery becomes a three down guy but just jacobs was brought in to be that player so it's just wild to me that that they're going right next to each other. Do you think it has to do with confidence in the in the organization it certainly could <hes> it's the the publicity and the news on the raiders. Would this not been positive. You'd take offense over the raiders offense. I think that's the reason you're seeing the flip but i do. I do completely understand the the more secured works appears to be just jacobs because of tariq. Oh all right <hes> fourth-round hurts and kit will go before for us henry and michelle before us cooper and element as well so we're sitting here. You've got your choice of brandin cooks. Robert woods from the los angeles wide receiver core godwin lock it a._j. Green in the fourth round. If you feel like waiting a few weeks you've got tevin coleman still on the board you mentioned it. Mike i think you know coleman is somebody that is being undervalued. Yes due to the fact that there are multiple running backs in san francisco and probably because people expected more when they actually did play him last year. Miles sanders is still there. I would love. I think the play here is to go wide receiver and then see if somebody like mile sanders comes back in the next round. Yeah we are running. Backs are already pretty solid here between mixing and chris chris. Carson is a great starting core. Are you at j. Yeah i so i i look there's a couple of players that i like obviously robert woods. This is where i would be taking him. I would take he's a top top tier wide receiver for me <hes> but i also love tyler lockett and maybe he could get back to me next round that would be that would be a little dicey. You'd have lock lock it anywhere u._f._m. Close wide receiver seventeen so robert woodhouse is is higher but i think lock it is rashly unrolled tyler lockett poster above his bed yeah no and then running back. You know that that's where okay maybe above talk to me if i if if this pick was mine i would take my guy robert woods. I would be fine taking the gamble taking coleman and hoping lock it gets back over woods. Let's hear saw geese. Are you saying you would prefer. You're interested in going coleman here. Pat up three running backs and let me put block. It gets back and forfeiting robert woods now i i'm saying if it was solely my pick i would take woods but okay going coleman taking the gamble that lock it gets back robber woods and mile sanders or tevin coleman antilock lock it. I mean to me that's a no brainer. I'd rather have the woods sandra side yes before. I click the button for robert woods which i'm happy to do. What do you make of another season brandin cooks in the same offense. I mean we joke about the fact that he's never had the opportunity to do this very often. He's been traded but yet puts up. A thousand doesn't plus yards. A lot of credit is given robert woods duly so that he had a chance to come in and learn the mcvay system and and then contribute in a bigger your way. What about brandon is there. A ceiling for brandin cooks that were not aware of the ceiling between these two players brand cooks higher. I think most people would say that and i think all three of us would say the ceilings for brandin cooks. It's a matter of consistency for me that that's what i love about robert woods. I feel like he is the number one <hes> <hes> read in the offense and so he'll end up as the number one target. He'll be more consistent on a week to week basis. I like both guys. If woods was gone. I would take brandin cooks. It'd be happy happy to have him here <hes> but <hes> yeah just like the consistency of of bob woods if you would get a roster which is devante adams comex and chris carson robert woods. It's hard to argue that there isn't a volume guarantee in production here right. I mean like atoms volley convicts in and carson volume they could lead each of their conferences in carey's as possible and they're woods is very consistent so i liked the foundation the consistency <hes> the week to the upside this built into our team. If you have to break down upside downside the upside that i see is somebody like carson developing as a pass catcher being more valuable than that mid third round pick downside would be you know the offense vincent cincinnati mix and sharing more third-down roku geo bernard than we would want but ultimately. I think there's a lot of guaranteed production on this roster. Godwin ing ingram cooks golladay lindsey finishing the fourth round lock it mike williams cooper cup o._j. Howard tyler boyd and then and we're on the clock at the five zero six the past two rounds have been delightful for our strategy where with with once we took chris carson there was a mini running back run and then we took woods and then it turned into a wide receiver run so the the the running back targets that we were looking at their both their devin colman who we were considering entering last round is still there. I mean go ahead. I to me that that would be an easy picture in the fifth round to get a guy who is the starter for kyle shanahan and offense. I mean matt burrito last year when he was the main guy was very fantasy relevant. I think coleman brought in clearly the starter right now from camp. He's the guy right now is his upside as much as mile sanders no but that would take myles sanders becoming something that he is currently not a bell cow for a team that has not use them that way so i would take the more sure thing in in what i perceived to be deborah coleman to be clear with what you're saying. You're saying a team that hasn't used a running back doc in that fashion not mile sanders specific correct and i have kevin coleman at twenty two. I have mile sanders at twenty five. I could see drafting either guy depending on how you you know you're building a roster. I wanna bring jae greens name up in the middle of the fifth round. It's not often you get a draft age green in the middle of the fifth round. He's there on the board so are you. Would you consider him. <hes> <hes> i might consider based off of the safety of our team where like yours. We just ran through it. The former players that we have in volume oh you seem extremely safe but even even having said that with the upside of asia greenham still gonna take coleman. How big a difference does it make if you have an i._r._a. Spot or not because a lot of people will ask that to us tonight. Show significant. Has i have an ir spot yeah. Do we have an i. R. spot in this mark brooks. I don't think so so the thing is really liked. That button. Sometimes was the breaking news that we don't have an i._r._s. By the breaking news is that antonio brown is practicing today. Oh incredible with all bounce the right direction news n._f._l. Player practice practicing well. I'll let you know if something changes before or the end of the show yeah the <hes> the thing with i r slot in someone like a._j. Green like a._j. Green you're probably gonna need to take right around here. Fifth round pick the thing about an i. R. slot that would let me take someone like kareem hunt not even considering if if he could if he could go in which i know in some systems can but someone that's not coming back for a long time that cheap sheep as ten rounder then he's not clogging up your bench but if you take a degree in the fifth it's not just that he's clogging up your bitch bench. It's that he's he is actually the the opportunity cost of who you're missing out on you know robbie woods or kevin coleman or these other really valuable players is not just a matter of the bench spot that he takes. I want you to find a new way to say roberts's name. Every time you say it sometimes he's robby would sometimes bob woods sure rob the bob and i'm technically technically the reason i say spot. I meant robbie anderson who is still on the clock. That's a different name bobby anderson tevin kevin coleman. We'll take tampa coleman now. We've got a really interesting decision because evan ingram's off the board. We had a run of quarterbacks by the way if you're on our youtube youtube youtube dot com slash fantasy football you can see the draft board taking place where he's in the sleeper app eighty green calvin ridley rogers. I wipe mayfield d._j. More lamar miller latavius murray's jarvis landry alshon jeffery and guess what guys miles sanders is back. We can take him at six or seven and i want to. I want you. Yes i think it i think we have the opportunity opportunity to add depth to a running back position. That isn't as deep as the wide receiver. I love robins. I love robbie c._b._s. But because we have devante atoms because we went wide receiver around one because we took robert woods there's not a tandem more reliable than those goes to my vote. Here would be mile sanders because of the stability of our team. I'm fine you know handing the pickoff. If if mike wants to go my guy robbie anderson he can do so but at this point you're looking at on a week to week basis. Mike is the upside side of drafting a mile sans you're talking about. Is this going to be a flex player for you. Are you gonna flex robbie anderson out. Are you gonna flex mile sanders out. Where are you leaning with the debate aac. It's it's difficult because i mean when we look at the running backs miles sanders is the last of the potential potential starting guys by may maybe week five weeks six all the sudden doug peterson has changed and mile sanders as his running into three down role. I i mean it's in the realm of possibilities for a player. They spent a second round pick on but we are the team is would be very running back heavy at at that point and i like lasers your pick. Oh perfect. I i like taking my shots like i talked about my my j. G. wentworth worth approach. I like taking my the later shots on running backs to see if they if they hit early on and then pound that on the waiver wire. If it doesn't doesn't work out i would rather take who i consider to be a stud wide receiver and that'll be robbie anderson all right i will. I'll try one last time. Sway okay hypothetically if you take robbie anderson here. I think that's fine good pick middle of the sixth round. There are names that you're going to be able to get over the next two rounds that you might be pretty happy filling in your wide receiver spot with marvin jones. Sammy watkins curtis samuel in bs. There's guys that i'm happy happy with but just the way that i view robbie anderson okay this season. I i have robbie anderson as a as a top twenty player. Let me make one other comment. If you take robbie andersen our team is balanced right three right backs three wide receivers. Should it come back around to us where we want a tight end. If we took the running back i feel like we'd be forced to take wide receiver here because we'd have four running mex- only two wide receivers going into the seventh round the might make things a little bit difficult all right we took robbie miles sanders next christian kirk austin darius guys matt ryan hunter henry vance mcdonald carry on carry on drake yeah. That's a new player. Drake sued us. Oh drake jason would no longer exists harry andrei he wouldn't he would be shot into the ether realm. That would be the only way to get them the full workload right all do oh andrew lucked carson wentz carson wentz going at seven evan five in this draft earlier than lately earlier than lately. It's true though it's still make sense all right. We took riley anderson some players on the board for us. At the six pick of the seventh rowntree cohen rishaad penny. We do have carson that is a little bit of. I don't wanna do it okay. Who else do we got. We got allen robinson. We've got will fuller dante pettis. Sammy watkins a pile of <hes> <hes> wide receiver options in so for me. This is the part of the draft where it look. I've i've talked about the regression coming for this player that i don't really love drafting him but part of being fantasy football player and a fantasy football analyst is i have to be open that things things are gonna go not the way a project them like. I'm going to get some things wrong and tarik. Cohen is not normally around this slot in in in drafts in the middle of the seventh round people snatch him up the five and the six. I for me at this point. This is one of those swallow the pride understand that that that three cohen could still be the player he was last year even with mike davis and david montgomery coming on the team to siphon up that a passive work so i would take cohen all right. We'll take cohen. I figured it wouldn't be hard to talk you into cohen. We have a few rounds to get through so yeah. I made it easy once. She said to recount allen robinson will fuller jared cook and then <hes> penny freeman howard to finish the round. I don't think fantasy owners know what to do. Jordan howard right now <music> at all <hes> there are people that want to snatch up every share of jordan howard late that they can possibly get their those that don't want to touch them with a ten foot pole because as they believe miles sanders will be three down backed by week three or four in howard will have unpredictable value. I think that's my fear with jordan howard value. Yes predictability none. I can see that happening because he can be touched down to pin guy <hes> dante pettis <music> with the eighth round first pick darrelle henderson drew brees kayla marie sammy watkins cam newton <hes> quarterbacks would be gone. Quarterbacks drafted have to cam one of her favourite late round guys. Although i'm happy to wait yeah marge access right now you still got russell wilson jared goff jameis winston lamar jackson tons of quarterbacks available so i'm not worried there at tight end man if you told me that andrew luck was playing again kind of like what you're saying my you might project things to go a certain direction but eric lebron being here is somewhat tempting considering after him. It's it's a real crapshoot. Maybe you just go with your last picketed jordan reader mark andrews <hes> and then at wide receiver. I do really like the potential that curtis samuel has to break out and be a top flight wide receiver. There's there's a a lot of good options. Here's this is a question of roster construction were balanced right now with running backs and wide receivers tied in or keep stacking your flex any thoughts jared aired gov david again wait around. I think we can wait at least one round. I know he's your guy he is. I mean i would love to have him on the team. So i don't mind here if you are concerned that someone's going to snatch him up habe pulled draft him a little bit early the two players i'm looking at our curtis or two samuel and marvin jones about kaelin balaj. He's in he's also interesting but don't want her to highlight these two wide receivers from what jason was talking about the construction of of our roster. Where do we marvin. Jones is hired my rankings. I think that the the probability of jones being a safe in in that twenty to thirty range. I think there's a high outcome. That happens curtis. Samuel could legit break out though his a._d._p. Is is going up. Yes yes as as it's very interesting as it should be. He's the publicity on him. From the industry. The industry's been huge and all reports out of camp have been glowing glowing showering curtis samuel impre so with. I'm gonna throw it to you. Jason with the roster will the question. Okay okay all right with the construction of this roster. Would you take someone who you consider safer and marvin jones or would you take the upside. I play of curtis samuel. I would take the upside play. I think we got the safety. You've got to crack this roster by breaking out and being something special and i think curtis samuel could if you're throwing me the pick. I know it's crazy but i got ninja here and go eric brown. The the pick is gone jason courtesy. Emmy wasn't jae distant past that you're referring trying to marvin jones geronimo al ibran the bears defense much like our celebrity draft going very early in this one larry fitzgerald ronald jones caleb jalen belies wilson and goth so we do not get jared goff david and joke you and then we're on the board here at nine. Oh six <hes> you still have lesean mccoy available. Who by the way this don't miss this week of the show police. Are anyone ever but this week in particular. We've got breakouts coutts bus values. We've got sleepers. My value pick prequel slumping toy. I don't hate it. He hosts shawn mccoy he. He told us he said i've been told i'm the guy the evidence told three season has suggested that he is the guy my value pick of mccoy is fully with the lynn's of about four games. I don't even four or five six game even if it doesn't work out beyond that there is a point in the draft where somebody has to travel foolish on mccoy. Even if you're buying yourself a few weeks so he was the guy i wouldn't get in all the first team snaps. They were putting him wide multiple. People plays where he was lining up as a receiver was cool to see that <hes> i just wanted to like are they showcasing that that thought did it crossed my mind as well thought for years so maybe if they showcase him sure i mean they trade him congrats to wherever he goes. Maybe maybe on honestly if trade him his valued doesn't go down tonight and unless for some reason someone trades for shawn mccoy to come be your backup running back. I mean we we've made problems with with coaches doing rational things before but that just doesn't make sense. I want to say it's the six picks sixth pickle. The ninth round there are only two quarterbacks. You guys would probably three but there are two that. I'm excited about their upside. Which is what i'm looking for here right. I want a guy if i draft them on a hit right. I might have a guy for the duration of the season lamar jackson josh allen. I'm happy not taking one of them here. I'm happy waiting until the middle of the tenth round but if one of those two guys gets back to us at the ten seven. Are you cool taking josh allen yeah been allen low in in in average draft position. Sorry alleyen <hes> but i don't have the button here man. I wasn't ready for that. Josh stallion no no hold on he. Does he runs. We call him josh style. What's the nickname form again. I sh- sayings brooks are smoothest the event up of all time <hes> but my point is like he's going so late that usually in most these drafts that i've seen you could just grab it with your last pick. Josh allen that is low lamar jackson been rising and i think the third you're saying we would consider janus. No i assumed you meant <hes> dak prescott gotcha and if you really want to have got d on the board here to lose n._b._s. So right now. We have four running backs. Thanks for the undrafted corey davis. That's his new nickname by the way the draftable corey davises after boo. I mean if if it was if it was the ten if we're in the tenth round then i wouldn't draft him also. I would also not draft him there. Well makes it adrian peterson then i would not draft him still in the board by the way alexander. Madison seems to have their backup job on lockdown in minnesota. Yes just throwing that out there. As a preseason observation <hes> <hes> will have to admit he is he's got it on lock down so he should be he should be looked at by dow cook owners in every single draft he there's only a handful of situations that are actually link-up situations where you're like that should happen most of the time. It's a waste of a bench spot. Delvin cook has had an injury history never played consecutive. You know more than you know a five or six weeks at a time. That's the situation i would actually do all right. I'm going to take dede westbrook. Yeah sean mccoy goes next and other defense and we're gonna come around to our tenth round round pick. No other quarterbacks have gone off the board in bs metcalf shepherd corey. Davis is draftable but not by us and then we're back on the clock. Both quarterback quarterback still available. Josh allen the mark jackson <hes> depending on where you guys have these players ranked. De jacks is on the board jalen. Samuels has been going fairly high. We haven't spent a lot of time talking about jalen samuels. I don't think you have to have a discussion about jamie jalen. Samuels that involves loves james connor. I don't think that discussions to take place. I think the right way to think about jalen samuels would be in the same vein that you're looking at opportunity for moncrieff for vance mcdonald or or down say johnson whoever it may be. They need pass catchers. They need somebody to contribute to the offense beyond juju because jews capped what you got last year in volume volume is pretty well capped. Look the article that <hes> our editor kyle did an extensive research on looking vacant at targets and where the where they go the history emphatically says that teams that have a ton of vacated targets heavily target the running back in that first year following and i think that yeah that could be good for james connor but i think jalen. Samuels is going to be involved. He'll be on the field. It's just tough though because while he is a phenomenal nominal handcuffed you're projecting something you haven't seen that he might be usable with colorado so it's tough to take him when you know i i i guess maybe he needs less to happen than devon single terry that i would consider here. Maybe that's an argument for jalen samuels the couple of names. I want to bring up. Maybe this is not the point in the draft for you. Guys are looking at it but the two running backs who are threatening the holdout ezekiel elliott melvin gordon and at what point do you consider taking justin jackson or tony pollard where they may may be a short-term window. They have value. It could be a long term window. How're andy. How are you viewing those two guys. It's difficult with our teams construction because i'm not not looking at them. Let's say if i hit on them then. I'm i'm hitting on him. As a trade asset values gonna come at the time when i'm starting joe mixing chris carson tevin coleman almond to record but anyone we hit on at this point is probably a trade asset kind of a lot of the guys we hit on at this point you hit on curtis samuel samuel his value is pronounced throughout the duration of the season. You hit on justin jackson and melvin gordon comes back. You lose that for hit on you hit on that's the way i'm viewing it as i'm fine taking those guys <hes> but i'm looking through the lens of what am i gonna do with them. Even if i'm somehow right for every good situation for every james connor late round draft pick there are a handful of these ones where people just. They're just roster clogs so i don't know if i'm on on that side. I think i'd rather see what i have in another player earlier. Josh gordon you take drugs gordon here. Oh yeah josh gordon is because his a._d._p. Six fantastic. I would take josh gordon. The tenth round the hundred percent of the time now what about matt brita meant brita. Is you want to have the whole forty niner backfield. That's the question question is. Do you prefer to have that or does that. Clog it up where you obviously if an injury happens you're great <hes> i i think both players could be actually started in certain weeks <hes> but should we be wrong about seven coleman being the starter maybe breeden coleman his playing the tevin coleman role from from the atlanta falcons kyle shanahan system <hes>. Maybe protect yourself with brita. Yeah we took gordon is coming back around to us. Unfortunately unfortunately lamar jackson is gone. I would like to secure our quarterback here. I would like to take joshua allen. I'm totally on board. That's the you know we said. Jameis winston is lamar jackson. Josh allen were three guys that i was happy to get james winston left. Lamar jackson was off the board. Take josh allen who would have been the first of those three. You guys anyways okay. We've got two picks left. One's got to be a tight end. Do you wanna take it here. We've got burton. Jordan reed mark andrews dallas godart dirt in. I think we're all we're all onboard with going. Jordan reed at this point. <hes> pick up your defense in your last round and um we'll be set all right. Why don't you jason why don't you read back our roster alright so thoughts that you have wide receiver we have davante adams robert woods robbie anderson curtis samuel dede westbrook and josh gordon that is a loaded or anything core worked out running back joe mixing chris carson kevin coleman to re cohen <hes> so i you know running back would be the place then it'll thinner yeah. We're a little thinner. Jordan reed and josh allen are are tight end and quarterback so <hes> yeah i mean running back would be the one question where you know taking didi and and josh gordon and back to back rounds and not looking at a running back there. Maybe that's where you say wish. We had breda in gordon. I will save for that. I mean we have potentially four very usable running backs to start the season and we know what we're going to be attacking on the waiver wire so it's because those to me at least three of the four are in my opinion very lockton cohen certainly could be. I'm confident often even though generally. I want to have more running backs than i do wide receivers. I know what i have to address right now. This isn't i don't i don't have to play this. Wish washy game of the there's a wide receiver looks great and there's running back looks great. I know what i'm doing. I was gonna say there is an advantage to kind of knowing what you have in the bag in what you might need when trading time comes around or waiver wire fab dollars <hes> the imbalance can be an advantage of you strategically use it yet so <hes> <hes> that is for today's mock draft. Let us know what you think of it. Head over to youtube youtube dot com slash fantasy football is if you wanna see the whole board all the other teams. 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Christopher Harris

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You gotta check him out on twitter at harris football. He's got the podcast. He's got the youtube show. He's got the almanac. Everything is at harris football dot com chris. Did i miss anything. I don't think so i mean i'm incredibly good looking. My mom would probably want you to say that but otherwise i think he got it all incredibly good looking and we we are kind of college. Rivals bulls chris went to cornell which i guess there's a rivalry. It's kinda hard to see you. Guys the bottom of the standings usually but you're in the same standings at least how you doing it in hockey these days there you go in wrestling right. Wrestling cornell's always good at wrestling too. I didn't pay attention to the wrestling too much. When is there but the hockey cher was good yeah yeah. They are always excellent. I think i'm probably told us before but that was like my job. When i was a princeton as i got paid to in the hockey games and rip tickets people came to the games i loved i got paid his watch really high level hockey really up close it was it was awesome some almost as awesome as the conversation. We are about to have one of my favorite conversations every year because we're a couple of weeks in the training any camp now fourteen days for most teams. We've got a preseason game under our belt and so there's a lot of news coming out and i always think it's interesting interesting and i wonder how much stock to put in this news. You are one of the top fantasy football experts out there long long reputation and deservingly so for all the work that you do and i guess i'll just start with their before we get into some specific things that have happens in specific news. I guess i'll start there with just how much stock do you put into training camp reports over the first two weeks of camp and the news from beat writers such as well as you know what you see like in preseason week one or really the whole preseason since i won't get a chance to talk to you then so i can sum up by saying mostly on my show referred to them as farts and whistles so you can see the extent to which i have giant respect for <hes> the acres and acres of media landscape that needs to be filled by something in this completely fallow time of year here and there is an n._f._l. Training camp and jacob hollister's some were out in the ether. I guess like this on the depth chart in seattle screaming. Hello on the new gronk on the new garage. Remember that story <hes>. I have big problem with the way we cover the preseason. I think it's a huge overreaction. Almost always to some degree reefer fantasy purposes. I think winds up presenting us with narratives that we can counter program against actual market inefficiencies that we can draft into when people overreact to stuff like kaelin jalen balaj getting the i carry it dolphins cam oh that was just such a big story that day <hes> generally speaking i wanna stick to my guns in talent evaluation. I've the stuff that i spent all summer watching film and deciding what i think about these players should not get overturned by a and a whistle of of a coach in a press conference <music> who just has to say something so he says something kind of wishy washy so even beat writers who are at practice and noticing guys getting rep's guys that are getting reps with the ones and things like that. Do you take account usage stuff like that. I really don't i mean especially not secondly secondly august. I mean it in the end. I don't know who's hurt. I don't know who's nursing something. I don't know who has an upset stomach like. I don't know you know i guess you can start telling yourself the story over the cumulative course of august. If it's a consistent positive theme about terry maclaurin run for washington all the time that we you know from august. I august thirtieth always get his terry mcclaren mcclaren okay. I'll start to tell myself a story that maybe that's real but the problem is we live and we die if we could if we could swallow these things in kind of with the intensity that they deserve which is is okay. It's a nice little data point. File it away but that really isn't how we do it. We tweet about it and we create a frenzy over kaelin balaj taking the i carry at miami's camp and suddenly is kenyan drake even draftable anymore and <hes> so so if we could find a way to metabolize these things in a way that was a little you know sort of as a side note and not the main course. I would be super happy but that doesn't seem to be how we take it so i'm just i approach all positive stories that even come from beat reporters that are looking ed. How many reps that somebody's getting <hes>. I tend to take with a pretty great grain of salt. The thing that i pay more attention to is when negative stuff comes out when we're hearing that somebody can't get rep or someone can't participate <hes> otherwise it's all like marines. Harris was all anybody could talk about the first couple days of patriots his training camp. He's the guy that's it. It's the end now jacoby myers and soon it'll be someone else. I'm i'm always taking note but i'm trying not to upset my evaluation valuation based on it yeah. I think there's kind of a happy medium there. This is just my opinion and i think you said it exactly right whereas whereas it's a data point and something to be aware of but obviously not to overreact to i think that's well said and i think that's some of the small ed you can get another people if they're not paying attention at all well. Let's get into some of the specifics of it and i guess it's monday august twelfth. I wrote about this this week and my column at the athletic antonio brown and everything going on on with him. You know there are people doing their drafts now. There are people doing best ball stuff like that. What are you telling them. What are you thinking right now. Whether it's the feet issue or this helmet issue that is still up in the air as it were when we're talking right now but is it really. I mean i just. I just think it's all this drama. This kid likes drama. He just likes to be the center of it each. You won't say hi q rating in my mind i i guess there's a what's what's the percent chance that this turns into antonio brown not playing or not playing really really well. I just think it's nothing i think we're we love somebody who acts like a clown and and somebody who we can feel like we're superior to can you believe what a turkey. He is and all that stuff and i'm still drafting antonio brown. I did lower him because i had him sort of in like a seven seven tie and i'm like you. I think you could make a case for any one of seven guys to be the wide receiver one. I frankly think even in oakland even catching passes from derek. Carr is still can make the case for antonio brown being in that group but i acknowledge okay. What if this is a guy. Pass has thirty who is somehow trying to pull the ripcord and trying to parachute out of the air make excuses to not show up and not be completely invested involved fine. If i'm going to break a tie with avant adams or michael thomas forever a lower brown a couple of spots. I just think he's way too good. I actually on my little youtube. Show have have put together a package showing people how defenses freak out when antonio brown's on the field that'll be out on monday afternoon and the he's just a sort of an unaccountable for player if you play a single high safety and don't have that safety driftwood antonio brown. I don't care who the quarterback is. Ben rothlisberger order derek carr. They're just gonna take a shot and he's gonna win way more often than not because he's crazy <hes> he's crazy at multiple ways. Don't get me wrong but i just i think this is you know with this. Is this is one of those. Dan millennials any any publicity is good publicity <hes> and and i'm sure they're players on the team that it rubbed the wrong way. I'm sure the coaching staff isn't thrilled to have it but but when the rubber meets the road in four weeks which is when this stuff all matters. I just think if i'm getting antonio brown in the second round. I'm happy to do it yeah. I think the feet thing is interesting just to see if that ends up having any impact. I i just wanna see him out there running around but i can't imagine i'm with you on the helmet thing you know. The guy likes playing too much likes money too much. I'd be surprised if he's not out there. What about some some of the young gun running backs. You know. There's always a lot of discussion about how high is too high. Take guys like mile sanders for the eagles eagles david montgomery for the chicago bears. Both of them have gotten a lot of that. Preseason camp buzz sanders getting even though he missed all of o._t._a.'s t._a.'s where the hamstring issue where where do you stand on those guys. I've i've not been completely immune to the charms of hearing about <hes> how people rave about those two rookies. I certainly liked them fine previously and <hes> didn't have them ranked poorly for fantasy purposes at all i in this past little go here where you mentioned my little <hes> perishable almanac where i keep track of my ranks and tell tell my reasonings and stuff like that i did just boost i in an update. I boosted both sanders montgomery a little bit not to the point where i feel like they're clear running back ones from either more like low level rb to booze lose but <hes> you know everything in the n._f._l.'s platoon right now. There's not every you know. There's very few teams that aren't gonna use a third down back a tarik cohen or an early down banger jordan howard and to me. That's not going to be a reason to be scared away from player since all but about five running backs have of some level of platoon mate i wouldn't imagine that either one of these rookies montgomery or sanders finds themselves in a position to amass three hundred touches this year just it's relatively really rare for running backs certainly rafer rookie running backs and then in this case there are viable options on those rosters. The eagles do have jordan howard who i don't particularly curly love but he's like a workmanlike very consistent sort of smooths things out if the kid if mile sanders were to ever fumble or which he did a lot at penn state or make make a pass protection mix up or something howard can handle some of the work and to re cohen. I just don't think going anywhere is just incredible. Playmaker may be the fastest player in the n._f._l. L. <hes> so but the fact that i'm saying that those guys won't get to three hundred touches doesn't scare me off of them because i mean none of them. Do so what i really care about is what are the what what are they as players and to me the different <hes>. I think montgomery's more apt to be a little bit more physical. Maybe a little less acceleration in and long distance explosiveness. I mean no sanders is a big play waiting to happen but both of them have tons of appeal and i kind of am a little bit like yeah. Let's continue to watch what they look like. Especially i wanna see the week three of the preseason but they're sort of for me. Both on an upward trend. I like it. Speaking of running backs acts on an upward trend. How about various guys you know. It seems like he's been healthy for the redskins that was fired up about him last year obviously a he was unfortunately injured in the preseason. What do you think about geis's prospects for this year well. This is one where i think we really do. Pay attention to the reporters and we do wanna know what he's doing because the the the weight against hidden potentially being a really good option for us. This year feels mostly related to the torn a._c._l. From last year and then all of those hamstring problems that he kind of had all through the first half of two thousand nineteen so the more we hear he's just able to do this is a case where it doesn't have to just be like fluffy conversation about how great the guy is. You know amazing. It looks so great uniform. I wanna know that he's out there. Participating continue you know for me the longer he stays out there at the longer we don't hear things about hamstrings being pulled or the knee being sore jerick mckinnon right having a sore knee <hes> really that negative breath that puts a big strain on him as a potential sleeper for me every every week goes by an august as we hear that geis's out there and continuing to be able to do what he's supposed to do and it looks like normal doesn't look like he's limited in any way that just puts his fantasy stock a little bit more higher and higher and higher and higher. I don't think adrian peterson peterson goes anywhere necessarily and i'm not sure that washington's all that great an offense but i don't really care i'm with you. Mean geis's second last year is sophomore year at l._s._u. He looked like up potential number one overall pick he was amazing. He wasn't as good in the year and now we're not sure what he is coming back but boy. That's third preseason game for washington. I'll certainly certainly be paying attention to that one yet. I think i i will as well. I like. I said i i love his style of play. There was some interesting stuff with him. During the pre draft process and during the draft last year that i thought was somewhat noteworthy. It's funny too because as the expression i heard about him and i agree with this was that he runs like a bowling ball full of butcher knives which is good timing chris because i love eating and i love butcher box. Put your bucks not sure if million or not chris they have four different curated boxes that you can choose from high quality grass-fed grass finished beef free range organic chicken heritage breed pork. Can you tell this is a good sponsor for a lineman. Who's podcast is called fantasy innoc- feast yes you can. They got alaskan salmon which is good for me to stay under tour. De pounds very affordable which i like. They send it right to your house. So basically the deal here is to get really good. 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I think he's going to be perfect in my offense and i don't think he's ever real. I mean this p._r._p. Injection objection stuff and now for a couple of weeks. This is kind of sounding like a plane. That's never going to get off the runway. Yeah like i said earlier earlier. It's the negative stuff that i pay more attention to and when we hear when we hear the team float through through media sources this idea that he might be going on injured reserve if it sort of tells you which way this is probably going. I guess you know still have a few weeks. It's possible that this works and he feels great but i'm with you. I wouldn't if i was drafting right now. I wouldn't be taken them except outside very deep league in the in the teens in a draft what it probably does most of all is well two things just from a sheer personnel n._f._l. N._f._l. perspective. I think what it tells us is kind of the confusion that i know i felt when they signed tevin coleman where felt like a pretty big duplication of effort compared air to what mccain can do compared to what met brecon do now. It seems like well. Maybe they knew something was brewing. You know maybe they knew not just duplication. Maybe replacement. They needed someone who could actually be healthy so there's that and then just from a pure pure you know we're looking at this ruthlessly through fantasy football lens it just narrows it down from three to two and it makes it a lot clearer who who you would wanna potentially have on a team myself. I've just never been a huge heaven coleman fan <hes> i recognize that there are few things he does very very well. He is a for a big upright kinda runner. He runs real fast and he can definitely four five times a year. Make a big play on a little flare screen where he takes to the house and make sure week but boy. I don't know how you could watch the chance that he got with the falcons last year wants devante freeman and was hurt and see him really just do nothing with it <hes> and then feel like awesome about him coming to san francisco and and becoming any kind of lead back you know i expect the average draft position between coleman and breda to level out a little bit and you know right now when mckinnon was still in the picture i think brita was like twelve. Th round pick and coleman was like a fifth round pick <hes> frankly and a standard league. I think it's real close. I'd rather have brita. I think he's much smaller and he has durability questions but i think think he's just better running back. I think he's better vision better. Lateral agility better acceleration whereas in a p._r. I would certainly prefer coleman but if their draft positions are gonna stay set apart. Put it this way. I just would prefer to draft a guy who cost less because i'm not positive either. One's going to be great and for right now. That's brita so you can and put me down as say a. I mean if map breeders draft stock is gonna even rise to like eighth or ninth round. I'm definitely going to be on board yup. I and i would say this to. I'm anxious to see him healthy. I'm anxious to see what he can do when he's really able to to be full throttle was so oh beat up at times last year. What about the duke johnson trade to houston because this is pretty sizable news that do johnson i know he's got the hamstring hamstring right now but duke johnson getting traded to the houston texans. What are you telling people on your show. And what are you telling me about what it means for duke and lamar miller so it's not good for lamar miller. I think that's very clear i wasn't off the lamar miller train last year and felt kind of the food tasted better air smell sweeter. It was just nice not to have to worry that lamar miller wasn't gonna come through for me and he tends not to he's fine. He's not a bad player. He just sort of oh. He's okay he. He doesn't miss a ton of games seems like he's always somewhat banged up and i just like doesn't catch it great and tends to fumble at the wrong time and just maybe sorta gets what's blocked but not too much more so i was already relatively might have been like r._b. Twenty eight on the mar miller and and on this news it's not good so i put him down to rb thirty one but you know i'm not i can't penalize them too much more because he was already kind of in the in the penalty box for me to bring it back to the cornell hockey metaphor but my feeling about <hes> do johnson like a lot of people i think probably the opinion generally. You're going to hear his always liked him. Always thought he was underused. Probably isn't a lead back in the n._f._l. But what are receiver i i've another guy i've done youtube work on recently at the end of last week just to show that not all running running back receivers are created equal. Do johnson is probably the best ball skills pass catching running back in the league and he's one of the he's up there with christian mccaffrey. Free is one of the best route runners among running backs the league there are plays on film especially from twenty seventeen that i almost can't believe that runningback made them. He basically behaves like a wide receiver and so sure you're going to hear well. The texans last year through the fewest number of targets to running backs each of the last three years they were bottom five in targets two running backs my feeling about that is they didn't have duke johnson the the they're not stupid when they had arian foster they would throw to him. Bill o'brien was arian foster's coach there at the very beginning. He threw it to him <hes> when they have a guy who can do it. I think they'll do it and it will result in lamar miller playing a bit less if i'm making a wager between who touches it more for the season as long as they're both healthy. I didn't think miller would be drafting miller higher than do johnson even n._p._r. But yeah it's it's obvious boost to johnson. It makes me think let's add him. I mean let's let's consider him now in our on our draft boards i'm just it's it's exciting and fun to add another. He might already be the second pass catcher sure second-best pass catcher on the team. It's fun to add another weapon for shawn watson. What about any any upgrade in your rankings for nick chubb now now that duke johnson that their third down work in the first half of the year before kareem hunt eligible i haven't done it and it's entirely tiredly about what you just said. So whatever governor there was on my niche of enthusiasm and it's like rb eleven so it's not like i have that much of a governor but whatever go i i like like him a lot as a player but whatever lack of enthusiasm i have to get him say number eight and number seven on my list comes down to exactly to kareem hunt. There's just man i just the specter of of getting into week nine or whatever it is and being are we ten and being about to get into my fancy playoffs and suddenly it's thirteen carries a piece for those two dudes not that i know what's going to happen i don't but there is some percent chance that they will take the fresh kareem hunt and feel like while we can get to the playoffs in dominate if we use this guy who just fresher than everybody else and that x percent chance scares me more than the prospect of do johnson catching passes on third down would have and frankly my guess is the browns because they're smart. They're going to get someone else. They'll have someone else in mind to play to to spell nick job. It probably probably doesn't instantly mean cool now. Nick never comes off the field because that's not a wise way to use him as much as i do very much like him. I didn't raise him as a result of this transaction. Finally i guess that's a good point by the way about that will be a major bummer of chubb. I guess chubby w. carry you all season and then right raising really need them. He's he's a big time time split. You mentioned maurice unreas- harris earlier. You know whether it's the patriots receivers or the running back for that matter. It's always kind of like a rubik's rubik's cube trying to solve what they've got going. There's a lot of buzz about this jacoby myers right now but you think about the guys over the years was it who is that one tight end sud feld or something and yeah exactly jacob hollister yeah yeah i mean there's always been different guys in the preseason that then somehow never actually play in the regular season. Are you buying any of this jacoby myers. Are you taking any of these patriots patriots receivers right now <hes>. I'm not buying jacoby myers except for okay. Let's throw the name in the hopper and if something comes up he's a waiver. Add a draft pick great so he's a if he's playing week one or week two. I go okay interesting but they also have philip dorset. They're mean julian edelman. The one definitely certainly drafting your your setting him aside. Obviously actually everyone else <hes>. I'm not you know. The real question for me is nicole harry who had so much excitement when he was a first round pick <hes> for the patriots back in bro appear again. My stick is that. I'm not usually gonna pay too much attention. When there's gushing going on among beat reporters or anybody else who's observing observing camp but when i consistently hear read from these patriot beat reporters saying yet i dunno nicky. Larry can't really show himself. You can't really get on the field. You can't really he's not being consistent all that stuff. I go all right well. I'm not dooming him. I mean harry would probably still be the next patriots receiver. I would consider splurging a draft pick on but it ain't good good and i have lowered harry. I think outside my top fifty maybe right around fifty where i previously hit. Maybe had them around thirty. Seven thirty eight <hes> among wide receivers because again negative stuff tends to be more the truth in training camp in bosnia stuff and that's certainly true with the patriots beat reporters. It's sort of legendarily flaky will come sort of believe everything told to us kind of <hes> kind of group and so yeah maurice harris i just i couldn't get enough. Maurice harris questions on my twitter feed that first week and now where do you go like now. It's this jacoby meyer. Remember that the infomercial the nineties jacobean myers it was like a personal injury yes. Do you say that that's i thought of that too. I was like why is that sound so familiar jacoby mind. Why is that. Why is that so familiar. That's really funny yeah jacoby and meyers well. Maybe you can get pretty nice endorsement if he ends up catching some passes from brady this year and now i'm wishing on harry. The track record of patriots receivers is not real good drafted receivers especially high. I was there when jackson was drafted. We'll see because there it's been up and down so far for hairy for sure my thing about the endorsement smith for jacoby myers is if he gets injured. That's where he really has. That's the money right there. That's when it really cashes in christian. The man always appreciate ashamed time. Everybody needs to check out kris on twitter at harris football certainly go to harris football dot com for all of the podcast youtube a tube show the almanac. It's all right there. This guy is a sicko like evan. He's twenty four seven all day every day. I love it. Thank you my friend. Thanks for us. Thanks for me excellent work mr harris i enjoyed that i love just hearing what matters and what doesn't so so far in the previews and i think that's important really important. It's also important that you know the right place to go to get your information christopher. They should by the way have you on c._b._s. C._b._s. sports h._q. Look tv constant bickering made up drama. That's why my buddies over at c._b._s. Sports take cue have an actual network that just streams twenty four seven good quality content their fantasy experts are there to help you all season. They bring you the latest stats and injury updates. Whether you play d._c._f._s. or season long they are there for you. Know nope politics. No fake debates just two games and the games around the games like fantasy like betting whatever just open when the c._b._s. sports app and watch anytime from anywhere on your phone or at home on your apple tv roku who or fire tv eight couldn't be easier download the c._b._s. Sports app and watch c._b._s. sports awards h._q. Today speaking of today that'll do it for today's fancy feast podcast remember. We've got evan win with the last of his tears of evan then. You still have my offensive line. Rankings are to come so get excited. Get fired fired up for that because that's very very important my oh line rankings. You guys all know that coming up in a couple of weeks. That's actually next week nick but tomorrow be given out that n._f._l. Game pass code to somebody that re tweets my tweet o'brien we may or may not give out another other spot in the fancy feast redraft anybody else has really stepped up as much as they need to to actually get in the league and checkout podcast today. Rich eisen was on the ross tucker football podcast which was awesome other than that. I'm stuffed. I'm full until evan tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the fantasy. 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Sleeping on the Raptors?

"What's going on everybody? I'm only came rose and you're listening to the first take podcast Sunday is your even more fun day when you have. NFL. Sunday. Ticket DOT. TV. So here's the good news. NFL Fans Direct TV has expanded the service. If you live in an apartment are big city where direct TV services not available. You can now get Sunday. NFL, ticket without a satellite to see if you're eligible go online to NFL. Sunday ticket DOT TV. Every Sunday NFL. Take a game this season to call your favorite team. No matter where you live use Promo Code I take twenty twenty at checkout to save fifteen percent exclusive student discounts are also available. Right. Super Bowl, champ booger, McFarland, kind enough to join us. We'll get you in just a moment, Steven. Tell me. This is Kim and now the best tight end in football. No, not to me I love him. I think he's number two, but I'M GONNA go to my brother from another mother, the one and only Travis Kelsey for the reigning Super Bowl champion Kansas City chiefs. He's had about four or five, consecutive, one, thousand plus yard seasons. He's good for at least eighty, five receptions. The season I think last year, he had like ninety seven for about twelve hundred. Travis Chelsea's real deal as far as officer when you look at kid blocking. The buffer, the running game for San. Francisco definitely deserves a lot of credit in that regard. But outside of that I don't see anything that he's bringing to the table that Travis Kelsey can't bring or has it brought all over the last several years. There's something to be said about your resume, I think Travis Kelsey. Is that do I think? He's the best tight end in football kills right there with the please, don't get me wrong. The brother is a stud, but I also think that you know what if? If Your San Francisco, you've had to rely upon him a lot more as well because you were bereft of weapons at the wideout, Sparta to really deebo Samuel came on the scene Lashio and what have you I think Travis Kelsey regardless of who he's playing alongside whether it be tyreek Hill Sammy Watkins or anybody else. Travis Kelsey has been a model of consistency in terms of being a stud tight end in the national football league. He's the best and I'm going to give him that credit over George. Kid. You're wrong. Travis Kelsey is great. No disrespect to Travis. Kelsey. Who looked like for many he took over from Brooke, but now kittles. Got It. By the way kittle averages more catches more yards and more yards per catch than Kelsey. That's just the catching, and if you WANNA say you'll take Kelsey that department I get. It kills specialness if even there as much as you can catch, it is the way he runs it the way he refuses to go down which in which is like inspirational to watch and I think as an effect on a team. But when you put really the you make Stephen in your judgment here is not the traffic. Chelsea's a bad run block. He's not. He's underrated as a matter of fact I think. But kiddle is different. KITTLE is like look at San Francisco's run game. Kittles a big part of that. So Kelsey is a great tight end, but I don't. There's really debate right now, I think the number one guy in the business is killed. We'll the way I would look at it like this. We're talking about the tidiest position I'm going to look at what type of offense that I'm running now when when you look at what Kansas City does not a big emphasis. As. Much on the run game. So Travis Kelsey is the perfect tidying first offense because his route running is segmented into position. He has feet like a slot receiver at that size. So in that off, it's he's the perfect weapon I don't think George. KITTO could fit in offense the way the Traffic Travis Kelsey does. Now when you look at the forty nine is often it's you have a guy like George killer with his blocking. He's the best blocking tight end in the national football league. They would not be able to run the football the way they do if it were not for George kiddle. So I look at it this way the most complete tidy in the guy with. With the total package, the guy that can get you anything you won't as far is he may not be a premier route runner. He is good enough. He is the Best Boston tidy and and I think the spot puts George Kitto over the top is when he gets the ball in his hands. Need I remind you of the play down in the superdome last year. He's New Orleans I. Believe it was fourth in fourth in five or four, th and ten or whatever. They threw him to football, and he basically drug two or three. New. Orleans saints for the first down. So that is what separates him. So I'M GONNA. Go with George Kitto as the most complete tidy in. Six one and half a dozen in the other depending on which offense that you're putting each one of them in. Rankled look. Here you talk. A debt clock is right twice more. George Kit. War Great Lords. All the. Torch. Kit To let us know scrub but six years. Consecutive years by the way as an elite tight end in the National Football League unit. Rainy Super. Bowl champion. Plus you're a premier route runner and oh, that gets that gets overshadowed because this guy, the it, any blocks better when Carl Shanahan your coach a clearly, he takes the ball out of Jimmy Garoppolo and in the fourth quarter and want you to run the football. He ran to the super bowl bottle the way. I'm Jimmy Garoppolo barely through the damn football in the postseason. Okay. Talking about particularly the divisional playoff game in the NFC championship get. They ran all day with kettles blocking. So because he bought in helped your running game that offsets what Travis Kelsey brings to the table, who act Josh, the ball. I'm not saying that Y'all like Travis Chelsea. All he does route running on the leaf fashion, it's use me. Though. I. Said, he said, Oh, that rain from blocker. Kennel. Listen. He's about six hundred dollars talking about right now, not concerned about I'm not concerned about the past five or six nobody cared what you'd be a teen years ago. What did you do for me right now and right now? George. He's. Fully did. You Watch towards. Time and. Educate me booger. Booger was in NFL game that's been placed since the Super Bowl I don't know did that. Happen I want to wear. So last time we saw healthy play football that was six years ago. and. Who won that game? That would be? That would be not kill. Yours more catches more yards per catch, and he's got garoppolo throwing the ball. Not The homes you act like kittles not not in the passing game. Kelsey. Kelsey didn't always have halls Kelsey only happened. Home two years previous. Out Brother Right. Now, who's the best right now? Not to say. This just. All. That's why I brought it up. Because you brought them Nicole. I'm saying it wasn't always throwing the ball when he was wreaking havoc. Right The way you the way you on that Peleton bike, you could go out there and block to. Stephen, don't get. Don't get team accomplishment confused with individual greatness. The Kansas City chiefs are great, Travis. Kelsey is really really good. But if you ask me from an individual talent standpoint, the complete package is George Kit and I'm not GonNa say it's not close. So here, really good now. Able better. Tidy. He's really good now, not great Travis Kelsey is not. Good calcium great. Okay, let's not have a play on words. Yeah. He's great. But if you're asking me WHO's better, I'm taking joys kittle. I just makes leave it on that note. So. Don't sleep on my Guy Guys Evan Ingram New York football giants Danny dimes to Ingram you on a federal. Molly. Yes. Someplace other the preseason games to PA can't. Molly they had to win. Your steelers make it to the playoffs by the way. Mark Andrews leaders. Is Still. Jones. Thank you. Bye. To celebrate state firms surprisingly great rates, we gave this song surprisingly greatly. Up Brass's. Despot a sad now, process rashes. You just. Keep that. and. Say The middle of that. Good. Good neighbor. burster. Despite logging up the one seat in the West, the Lakers have struggled in the bubble three and four record. Lebron speaking to reporters about the different dynamic of this whole restart quote I'm getting more and more used to being out there. It's very weird dynamic I. Haven't played an empty gender a very, very long time just having the backdrop. Here's a lot different for playing in high school gym or a college arena where you're playing in the summertime, whatever the case may be. It's very dark, extremely dark. You can literally hear a feather hit the. The ground. I'm just getting more and more comfortable playing with my game here in the bubble. On that note, we bring in NBA analysts. Chennai McKay grey tabby with us looking stunning as always, and I just want to remind everyone again, today has a new radio show that's with Michael Junior. It starts daily August seventeenth. It's from four to seven eastern. Huge. Congrats to both of you, and of course, our very own Max Kellerman will also have his own radio show and that's going to be two to four eastern. All right on that. No. All you are lucky you today. Lucky. You Master, hold it down for you for sure and I know I. Know You'll carry that torch All Right Steve, and I'll start with you here. What is Lebron, really saying here about these comments playing with? No fans read into it for me. What I. What I read into it it's not a big deal, but I 'cause, I, think it's real and I think it's almost obvious that he basically he's saying struggle for him to be enthusiastic about playing in such an environment. Now, obviously is the playoffs calmed in. You see what's on the line, it's a championship on the line, and so you're going to elevate your level of focus. Enthusiasm fervor about playing because you're after something, very, very tangible, tangible, and meaningful. But as it pertains to these eight regular season games being in the bubble being there for the last six weeks in preparation for this competition to be away from your wife, your family, the kids and everybody else. That's a real real struggle for him. Not to mention. The fact that Lebron is is an emotional players. Brilliant. He is as much of a basketball savant as he is. We've witnessed over the years over his seventeen great years in his league, how he feeds off of that crowd and that emotion that chair. Thunderous applause, whether it's dunks whether it's a game winning shot or anything like that. This is a guy that you know. Obviously wherever he's been crowds followed remember the last time we've endured a pandemic as a nation was back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty or so, and so when you look at Lebron here in his lifetime and lifetime, none of us have ever had to deal with what we're dealing with. Now in the case of Lebron James, he's never had to play without a crowd in attendance. So this is an incredible struggle for him because you're willing every play, every act that you perform is validation with boos. And cheers and things of that nature until you arrive at this bubble I think the networks by the way have done an outstanding job, TNT and ESPN and watching it on television. You're not missing much watching these games and I can't say enough about the players I mean with the exception of the Washington Wizards who had no business being there to begin with and might as well tonight, showing up because they haven't won a game yet on the outside of them. Them everybody has showed up and they've been incredibly incredibly competitive and they've been going after it with a level of effort that I think should make all of us proud, and in all honesty Washington Woods as well because they didn't try, they just haven't won. But they they didn't go out there and not try. So I don't WanNa go that far. But I'm just saying I got to give everybody a lot of credit. But I understand we'll Lebron's coming from. You know a lot of times. We're asked these questions molly and we read into the answers. We don't just take it at face value. Lebron's asked a question is answering. Honestly, this is a guy when he says like you have to go back to high school, not the broad in highschool. Lebron was in playing an empty gyms in high school. I. Saw Lebron at the McDonald's game. I guess it's last year in high school. Actually his team lost that game. But like packed, every he Lebron James has been playing in front of packed houses since he was a kid because of his extraordinary transcendent generational ability. So if you ask them, what's it like playing in these circumstances is going to tell you it's different. Maybe it's just not as my maybe you don't have to ask them. You just telling you the truth like this is not something he's used to and as an older player, the reason Lebron who's still physically dominant compared. Compared to almost everyone else. But not quite what he was in his prime say say in the second or third season in Miami right where you could play offense and defense full throttle all the entire season. He didn't have to just wait for the playoffs, turn it on and kind of high leverage moments. This Lebron's gotten smart. He's wise. He he feels for the ten stroke of the team and get some going, right. That's why the Lakers go. They were pretty much wire-to-wire. The Best Team in the Western Conference got better and better as. As the season went on and then we're peaking when the pandemic kit, right? So so sexual page, maybe the greatest pitcher ever, but was barred from the major leagues because of the color line eventually pitched in the majors and really old late forties and when they asked him, what's the key to longevity? He said when I can when I can walk instead of run I walk when I can sit instead i. sit when I can lay down his tennis, it laid out like you learn to conserve yourself and rely on other things Muhammad Ali. Ali Watson floating like a butterfly singing like a beat or rope a dope, and and Lebron is at the stage in his career where he's not simply physically imposing himself though he's always been a basketball survive. He's relying increasingly on things like getting his teammates all on the same page, picking out the strengths and weaknesses of his team in the other team and I'm sure at this stage in his career, the crowd also would probably help him and so and so does he missed that? Yes, most likely building in an excuse a little bit. Yes, that's also an effective it, but I think mainly, he's just being honest. This is different for him. You're right. Max there might be a little excuse in there, but he's really telling the truth and I'm in day to day communication with my sister and teammates, La's farts and and I have friends and both bubbles, and they say it's a real adjustment, but this was the expectation as well. There's absolutely no homecourt advantage. They feel like it's literally who gets out I when you get to the gym, that's the court advantage, and that's it. You go and play, and when you're Lebron and when you have packed, Jemson you guys mentioned freshman year. Year probably even middle school. Let's be real here. It is an adjustment because he is the man in deal Rena. But guess there's no Rita we can talk about you know the Dunks House, he is the unstoppable force meeting an immovable object, but really Lebron's because advantage is, as you mentioned, it's that he's better than most at controlling his surroundings, but now surroundings are controlled with no fans. So every player feels this and I just like to add that like people get added motivation from their environment. We all know this the good and. And the bad. Which is why how Massat it felt like we were still watching a game packers fans. That's how great the NBA and the WB has have been in creating the scenarios. People also get motivation from the back. You know the good means the fans are going crazy. But the bad means that you feel pressure when things aren't going your way and I can't even believe I'm probably going to the all. But I got booed every time I, touch the ball when I went back and played my former team for the first time. Time in Connecticut and even actually every time this last year. But that just made me want to work harder. So that is out of the equation. You know the fans cheering for you or the band's Boeing. You as athletes in our core, the part of this game you know with the fans and that energy that part is in our DNA, and now we have to find something to fill that void hearing from Lebron James. He's trying to find something that will give that added motivation even though we consider him to be super. Human. There are real human aspects that players are adjusting to real time in the bubble today and Stephen Day the. Lebron to is you think about like it's not Tim Duncan, it's not the big fundamental. It's Lebron is so spectacular a player especially with the ball in his hands because he can do a lot of the stuff that like Kobe and Jordan, do above the rim, but then you add in the passing ability that's like magic or bird. It's like every time the balls in his hands. He's so electrifying that crowd noise to him may means something different even than to another great player who's not as we're the possibilities of spectacular play either shooting or passing, we're getting to the getting to the rim are as high as Lebron jeans. The crowd noise may affect him out of proportion. I think for. Listening to both of Y'all and I'm like there's nothing. There's nothing about the point that I made as disagree with anything anybody saying just illuminating it. I'm saying in the end, what it comes down to is that it's challenging to maintain the level of interest that you customarily have had because the confines are so and so different and significantly less enthusiastic I mean think about it if you go from what? All, your life, certainly, your entire career, you've played in front of a minimum of eighteen and nineteen thousand fans in attendance per night. Every single game of your career, and you go from that to basically nothing. that. is in adjustment because all my goodness, you have. You have nothing, but yourself to feed off of you can overcome do it. But in the end, it's still a challenge. Jillian men is not getting hung up on Tom Brady moving out to Tampa during free agency and the pats receivers already finding his groove with Cam. Here's Eshelman. When asked about losing the sixth time champ to the bucks. Obviously, yeah. We we played ball together. I love him to death, but the train keeps moving as it will when. I'm not playing here. Something I mean, it just always keeps going so. We've got to worry about the people that we have here and You try to prepare ourself. The best we can with. That in with all. Everything. We're dealing with Jillian. We also saw a video on your social media. View. And and playing with Cam. What stood out to you about that workout that you did with him? Newton. Specimen for sure. You know when you first meet them just his stature. Dude is large. Put together well. and he's got a great energy. Great Energy about himself. was really impressed with. His work ethic and his mindset. Is. Large. And put together. Well, BOOGER, McFarland back here with us. Max. I'll start with you cliff. Kellerman. Do you think? Cam could actually play better than TB twelve this season. I do. And it's a tough question because Brady's more accurate passer and has weapons all around him. Cam does not have weapons all around him. Right. But he didn't have weapons all around them when NORV Turner was offensive coordinator and he had the best, you could argue, maybe he was having the best season of his career till. He got hurt even better than his MVP season at least statistically at least in terms of passing, it's not like he's not a threat to run is. And so he can pass accurately enough given the right circumstances. So. So, even though Brady as the weapons and everything Brady's. Brady's and declined Brady. Also learn a new system not just can, and the main thing is, who is camp playing for right like? Brady is playing for a really good coach in areas cameras playing for the greatest coach of all time, and the reason Belichick I think is the greatest coach of all time beyond anything else is because he comes to each game, not just each season be each game as those new football team. Okay. How are we going to beat this team and he any any? Plan specifically for that team. So they say you never were playing the Patriots who who are the Patriots depends who you are and how you're playing at the time even. So he's a creative football mind, and so then the question becomes, what can he do more with a guy? WHO's more accurate passer, but in decline or a guy who can pass accurately enough book can also do a lot of other things that Brady can't do. So in a vacuum, I don't know who I would say, but for this upcoming season on a belichick coached team I, think it's likely that cam has a shockingly good season. Should he be ready to play physically. I think the thing that would be shocking to some degree. As if the New England patriots have a stellar season I think that the challenge for and that's why I don't think that Cam is going to have a better year than brady per se i. think that when you look at Cam Newton you're going to be effective running the football because you got Sony Michelle and James White in the backfield with you and I think that's going to be helpful. But I think that you know from a wide receivers perspective, we've gotta hoped and kill Harry. Harry. Harriers developed Jillian domain and can stay healthy and what have you and who knows what else that they're going to have available to them. On the defensive side of the ball. You got eight or nine dudes that have opted out last time I checked to to play the twenty twenty season. So you're going to have challenges defensively. You'RE GONNA. have challenges throwing the football. Do I think cam? We find a way to get things done i. think to some degree. Yes. Because combination of him being able to throw and run the football that dual threat. Element the Josh mcdaniels and Bill Belichick have disposal I. Think it's going to be incredibly helpful for them. Because we're Tom Brady clearly, you had to throw the football running wasn't a part of his repertoire that may not know that that's not going to be the case would. Cam. Newton least based on his resume and what we saw for the first years, he was the quarterback for the Carolina Panthers. But he has taken the beat the as gotten beat up. He might be more reticent to run even though he's a specimen in Lee athlete and we get all of that look at the physique and everything like that. It still doesn't offset the fact that he took the pounding that he's taken and he's accumulated over all. All these years. So I think that obviously they've got two running backs, they can give the football to that's going to be effective cam. Newton? Being third from the quarterback position is going to make him effective. The accuracy doesn't have to be that comparable because remember the Tom Brady didn't complete sixty percent of his passes last season anyway, and so if you're Cam Newton, could you do that? Sure? Even though five of the last six years you haven't. One year that you completed sixty seven percent of your pass. Every other year was less than sixty percent with the exception of that one year with North Turner. But in the end, I. Think the fact that we've got so many other question marks about the new, England Patriots based purely on personnel or lack thereof because. So many people have opted out from playing I, think that's going to be a challenge and not even camp can overcome but so much. I think both of you guys make some valid points. Here's what I'll say I first of all, answer the question, the Chances Cam has a better season, Brady slim and none and slim is somewhere over the Hudson River that you guys I'm sure can see from where you are. Tom Brady is going to have the better season. It's not even gonNA. Be Close. You talk about the weapons that they have down here in Tampa, it's a plethora weapons. He can pick and choose to meet a big decision they gotta make in Tampa is what type of offense they want to run? Are you going to make offense focus more around Tom? Brady? Which is short passing game, the ball out rhythm timing, or is this going to be Byron left which Bruce Arians show with Fahey talks about no risk it? No biscuit likes to. To throw the football down to feel with this exposes your quarterback to getting hit a little more now as it pertains to Cam Newton, let's understand how cam can be successful campaign was successful when it when he was superman when he was using his physical athletic ability, I thought it was very, very noticeable. What Julie Nedim when he talked about? Hey, what's the first thing you notice? Hey, dudes a specimen man, his energy. He didn't talk about man, he was don's man. He was putting that ball in there and I, it was on air. Defenses. But if you're relying if you're CAM, Newton and you're relying on your six, six, two, hundred and fifty pound frame that's been beat up over the years to be your primary weapon and I. Don't think you can be successful. Yes. You're supporting cast in New England isn't great when you talk about Nicole Harry Juuling, Ataman who's aging and Mohammad said Newt. But Cam Newton has been successful by and large his career Stephen A. Using his physical gifts that. That frame running people over with North Turner. He had a pretty good season completing over sixty percent of his passes, but he hasn't always done that and I'm not a big believer in if a guy hasn't done a lot of things over the consistent part of his career that just because he did it one time, he's also going to become ned guy. I don't necessarily believe in that. So can josh mcdaniels come up with an offense that can. Can to be successful like norv, Turner, that's the big question. But as far as twenty twenty concern I, don't even think it's close. I think even know Max Kellerman. You think that Tom Brady is over cliff. He is still by far way good enough to lead his team to the postseason and trout's any season the Cam Newton puts up in two thousand twenty. Well, I, mean Tom Brady it's been how many seasons last time he was elite was two, thousand, seventeen, two, thousand, eighteen, he was the last time He. He was he was top ten Qbr last year. He was seventeenth in. QBR. I don't think look Brady. Once upon a time, didn't need weapons to put up good numbers. But then he got old, I'm not like people take this like an antibody. This is just father time who was undefeated. I Want Stop Bernard. To draw, even he lost the father time, it catches up and Brady because he's so great is still a solid NFL quarterback, but that's what he was last year. Especially by the end of the season, he was middle of the pack type Guy, and that stuff doesn't usually reverse right now, he'd has greater weapons around him, but that may be offset by learning a new system and being in a new. New in new surroundings, and if it is and you followed the trajectory of career, which is now in in significant decline, he'll be at best than average quarterback whereas Cam Newton who not that long ago. Right? When Brady and Rogers and everyone were still at their best in the middle of their hall of fame. Careers Cam Newton was voted by his peers, the number one player in football and was the. One. Team Uber Misbehavior, and under North Turner went last healthy. He might have been better than that guy. So it's in there for them and the question is, do you everybody coach? You can unlock it. I think the Patriots do. Everybody keeps bringing up CAM NEWTON MVP season. That's one year. That's the anomaly. Look at the norm. You don't make money in. Vegas. Betting on the anomaly, you make money betting on betting on consistency and percentage, and the percentages say that Cam Newton hasn't been that guy says, and he's not going to be that guy in. So don't talk about the one year old look at the total. Of His career Max Cam Newton is an inaccurate passer. He's made a Lebanon this read in his last years, can't. He still do that in twenty twenty coming up the injuries to the Hawaiian saying you can. What I'm saying is the MVP. A spike in his career. But to say, it's an anomaly when last seen healthy on a football field, he was having a comparable year to that and passing better than ever. That was with North Turner to Quest News will the Patriots use him in a way where he can repeat that kind of performance I? Think the answer is yes. Based on his age physical abilities and who he's playing for. I. Think Campbell surprise a lot of people including you and I think Brady based on his age at this point is physical ability and his new surroundings will underperform the expectations of many. Disagree. Listen I I. Got, my Kevin's you got God and I and I think the thing that Max is missing about Tom. Brady. Is the fact that you've got not one not two, but three tight ends. You Got Gras break and OJ Howard and so of your Tom. Brady. And you're relying three tight ends I. think that helps you immensely, you got cats to throw outside the numbers who can both go deep with both thousand Pajaro receivers in Evanston Godwin out that you can ignore that shady McCoy. There's a reason he's got that nickname shady even though he's a bit older brothers, very, very elusive and you can dip in dunk to him because he can catch he. He can he can catch passes and make some things happen as well. We get that Shady McCoy don't have that ability. Western. Everywhere you turn. Tom Brady, has these weapons whereas when you look at when you look at cam new and then the question is the one year that he had when he completed better than sixty seven percent of his passes. norv Turner was his offense coordinator even though his Josh Redan you Josh mcdaniels Has Been Coaching Brady all of these years what does Josh mcdaniels done when he's not coaching Brady, we don't really really know and all those questions and I don't think it helps camp. Algiers Games. Matt. Cassel. Though question. Question if brilliant. Cams given everything. You just said who had the better year. Given everything Canada's no offensive weapons. He's coming off injury. Forget about no offense weapons versus Brady. An embarrassment of riches. If Brady's numbers are a tick better than cams who had better year. If knx. Paid nobody says. It's going to be there might be. Max Not, even going to be close. We'll. See. The Raptors beat the books, one, fourteen, one, zero, six, last night this the raptors first, win against. Milwaukee all season. But the bucks were without their star Jaanus who had the night off Toronto has been on a tear defensively since the NBA restarting the bubble, they've held their opponents to one hundred and three points per game forty, one percent shooting both mark. Good for best in the NBA since the season resumed in Orlando. They've won five of their last six games, Geneo`, go McKay back here with Steven I'll start with you. Are. We sleeping on the raptors right now. We absolutely are. Excuse me. It's undeniable. The reason why is because pat? Riley wants coined the phrase defense which championships, and that's exactly what the Toronto Raptors have at their disposal, and it's not just like the elite defenders like they can just man. Stick. You is how they do things. If you remember last year they through a box, one on Steph curry and they leave Audrey Dollar Wide Open we've seen them. So full court press surprise trap. They'll double team you. They'll throw zone defenses that you whatever you gotTA. Assault Guard in the front court. You got excuse me, Kyle lowry. Drawing Offensive Fast Fred Vanfleet. He's a good perimeter defender particularly winning spying and he's just stealing passes wall deflecting passes. They throw a mixture of things at you and teams going up against them night in night out. No matter who they're coaching against actually seemed surprised half the time as some of the things that they do. Nick nurse was my coach of the year. I have a vote and I voted for Nick Nurses, my coach of the year. I. Think he has proven to be in a league coach in the game of basketball. Some Orthodox things that Heathrow into they need throws into the. He doesn't in very, very unpredictable fashion. He seems to surprise a lot of his contemporaries and his adversaries, what he does, and he gets these players to buy in pass cousy optimists six nine as versatile. What he brings to the table as well. He's basically the started to. Keep reminding y'all that Kawai. Let it. When he wanted when he contemplated staying in Toronto, he never asked them to get rid of Siaka, but he wanted Paul George and an order for Messiah jury to give Paul George. He was going to happen trade. SIAKA. Because Sam Prestia, those wards wasn't gonNA. Take somebody does Yaacob. Jerry said, hell, no Siachen is not going anywhere in the man looks is. Eighty as an executive because say what sway? You don't get me started that spicy. Wax Nickname on a planet. He can ball, but that nickname has got to go is atrocious. Okay. But they spicy p. what the hell is this a right to music groups I don't know what the hell it is. But in the end Toronto has my profound respect. Defense wins championships combined with perimeter shooting. They have both and they defend the threes better than most if not every team in the NBA look out for them, they could win it they. They could win the east again. Look. The answer's Yes, we've been sleeping on them, but do I think they're going to win the championship? No, I don't see the best player on a championship team on this team, and I know that maybe an over simplification because every ten years or so a team without that guy, maybe can can win a championship. So deep and so good, and so well coached which they are. There's differences between this team in last year's team. They they lost quiet, didn't miss a beat well, and nobody was hurt a bunch last year Norman, Powell taken a big step forward, Vanfleet Kyle Lowry, your excellent. Of course, still have size in the front, court. They got a lot going for them. I. I'll say this about Spicy Stephen, a pascal. I don't know that he's stopped actually better this year than he was last year toward the end of the year is quite good last year, but I will say this I what he's shown his with. Increased attention on him. More minutes, higher, USA. Drake. That sort of thing. He's able to maintain the level of play. He found at the end of last year where he was quite good I don't see. They may be one of these weird teams every especially in a bubble and weird situation and stopping and starting of play in the pandemic and everything where something weird happens. Maybe they win the championship but I don't see on this team, the guy, almost every team that wins the championship. That guy can be the best player in a championship team, they're deep in their excellent but. APOLOGIES TO SEOK THEM I. don't see that guy on this squad. Come on you guys. You gotta give a pass to the name spicy. He because we all know everyone's thinking, it's Pascal, but it's really about progress. Max when we think about Pascal, he went from seven points per game to seventeen points per game to now twenty, three, twenty, four points per game. So I can stomach a little better if you think of spicy pe- as spicy progress because that's all he's bringing but I think we are all still sleeping. Leave it. I certainly made it worse. That's even worse. Vic-. Progress. Spicy. Progress. You have any idea how? Else give him a pass. You made an even more. Club. Club spicing. Okay. And when you think of Feisty team set setup thinking of the negative think of progress when it comes to his game because that's all he's doing. So let's uplift that aspect of the name. But when you think about this team. I have mine today. That's better. The headline today will be just that they beat the bucks with the caveat that Janas out, but so Wisconsin Lowery and Serge Ibaka. So cruelly yesterday, we had an opportunity to see how the teams would perform without their four generals and the raptors have a real system that is built for development and over achieving, they are a next man up organization and quietly the raptors are doing it. Again, the culture starts, as you mentioned season accurate preaching about Messiah jury, it starts from the top. Top down. My Big African brother is always looking ahead and one of the best minds basketball and in a brief Combo, the other day as the raptors were heading into the bubble, might I add that they went in I? Because that's how prepared they are for situations. Messiah said, they are getting ready for battle that is a warrior mindset in Maasai. He sets the tone for the entire organization and empowers has players and personnel to reach their full potential whether you are five thirty P pascal. Parents Davis. Or Bobby Wexler or what Bobby Wexler is. One of the youngest champs rappers are here to say whether they get the credit or not, and the raptors will continue to go tar on you. You know throughout the entire league. So well, I'm saying, sorry, guys. Well, first of all to me to me Messiahs the best to me right now besides is the best was the best executive in basketball and and and I give major props and this important for me personally, because we all know that particularly with the latest hiring and what have you that had taken place, there's about nine of black individuals who are executives in the NBA. Only one gets to call his own shots definitively. Not a title in name, only the buck stops with Messiah Jerry that is not necessarily the case left are of other African Americans or Africans who are in positions of of quote on power in the NBA. So messiahs setting the standard and he's doing it on elite level and he deserves not only respect. But I reverence for the greatness that he's put forth. I'm GonNa, go with pass Scout I, call those spicy progress right notes quietly. Pass House today. But you may not hear this ridiculous is Corny. Okay. Is Just corny. He's got the game plan of forty. Stephen Game does have the game. He's got a game that warranty. I'm not saying he not deserve. Better nicknamed, look the neck Corny the books. And all the way up and by the way maps from. Toronto is a fly sea, city day could come up with a better name than. Dot Flavor. To help payment. Speaking of corn. I, love it. Either the bucks the buck stops with with with A. Masai, but the bucks probably don't because they don't have Kawai. You know that's the point. Messiah Jerry is the best executive in basketball? I Apologize to Daryl Maury. messiahs great. In Denver, also like you don't really have home court the same way in baseball basketball, you do in baseball, you can't like just the the stadium to favor left handed hitters or something not liking football cold weather can actually affect you versus a domer- warm weather. But but when you have at that altitude, you can build a deep ten team. You know ten deep can run everyone out of the gym beside did a great job there. Then he gets to Toronto, you see the job, did there get them over the top he? He brought in a finals, MVP, and I don't see the finals MVP on this squad. Meanwhile. The NBA bubble has so far been overall successful venture zero positive tests in Orlando at Disney's wide world of sports complex. But the isolation is its own factor for those in the bubble here. Celtic Star. Jaylen Brown. Being here in this bubble I guess. People might not speak on what it is a challenge. To a lot guys know looks like you at work on a town. A lot of time. A lot of guys when they get done playing basketball, they WANNA be able to leave and forget about basketball for a little bit. It's impossible here, Erin the bubble. It's tough being here being away from our family being isolated from the rest of our society. Stephen, you're someone that's normally on the go. What's your concern level for these players dealing with cabin fever? Loneliness. Spreader simple. You better. Let somebody come up in there. You understand what I'm saying to you. Real. Some I gotta say. Dr Steven. SIPPEL. Look they. Understand need so much communist. Head Hey. Let's let's. Let's listen. It. Would be nice to see you know the whole family and all that stuff I. got that you understand I really really do, but we all know that you know six of those teams going home at the end of this week or right cause they ain't going to be in the playoffs. Right? What has six sixteens, right? Okay. So you got the teams roster and all of their personnel now, you can't just let family come up on the Internet but. You GLIB. Once somebody can let a wife or girlfriend come. I was strongly advised the NBA to facilitate that happening before August thirtieth. Not. After. Before. It would our strong but. This one it will go long there you are you advocating. Are you advocating for conjugal visits in the bubble? I mean, the bottom line is they didn't do anything. They're not jail. There's a pandemic. Social this sensing even got a social distance who asked the question. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's all GonNa come tumbling down co Stephen. A Mason makes his suggestion on TV. See what you're doing. Yeah. I'm just saying, let's. Say. Somebody got saying. It listen to me and. If I don't get to watch the NBA playoffs because there's an outbreak. And this back to you. We got piece. That, that's what this comes down to Max. Everybody gets up why Matt Come on before they come in tested before this one that. You are allowed one person to come and they count and they don't have to leave. Trust me, it would go along you better. Have to happen Adam, Civil Chris ever have to happen. Pull Clo- or. Guitar. Walk what you would not be hearing this if you let one person. Stephen. Arlando? That's gotTA. Save you. It's all gone. I can't.

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The Defining Round 1 Moments of the NFL Draft  | The Ringer NFL Show

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"If you're a railroad crossing and the signals are flashing, and you don't see the train or it looks like it's moving slow, and you're thinking, maybe you can get across the tracks before the train comes think about this in two thousand eighteen alone. Two hundred seventy people were killed a railroad crosses two hundred seventy stop trains can't. Today show comes from collection by Michael Strahan available exclusively at JC Penney collection by Michael Strahan. Makes it easy to look. Good and feel your best matter the occasion, the collection includes suit, separates sport coats, dress shirts. Neck, wear belts, accessories, basics, denim luggage, and shoes big and tall. And boy sizes to collection by Michael Strahan's available exclusively at JC Penney. Visit a store near you or go to JCP dot com. Welcome to the ringer NFL show. I'm Robert Mays joint as always by Kevin Clark outta I do. I I wanna talk about Daniel Jones. Nine hours ten hours. I'd like to do a full series like a Netflix ten ten part deal with these staring at the camera talking mechanical Jones, I pleading. Putin stuck by and I know we have talked about other things. We we talking about this other things which any Kelly who also online. It feels like Thursday was the culmination of very large amount of work for you. And. It went pretty much as expected a lot of ways. I don't think there were any huge wrinkles outside of the giants doing whatever the hell. The giants are doing. Yes. It got to the point where we kind of expected it. So it wasn't that crazy. But it was pretty crazy. That was the I'd say the defining moment of the first round. There was I guess the Cuyler Murray ending up going number one thing was I guess a big relief for me for some reason. I was really kinda saying I was just hoping that would happen. What about it? I just I don't know. Why for forever reason if he didn't go number one it was just going to like like create chaos? I guess I should have been rooting for that. But for some reason, I was just like, okay, good. That's like what that's what we thought was going to happen. So it happened. So do we have one of these every draft because last year was Josh Allen where it was a quarterback? We were all sitting there looking at it. We're like, so he's not very good. And then he goes in the top. Well, I mean your seven obviously this year at six, but is there one of those every year? Here's the difference. Josh Allen was rumored to be the number one overall pick a one point. He was a first round pick. I understand he had arm strength. He, you know, had some big time throws, you know, against weird competition, but he at least we we you could see the upper limit to a Josh Allen was Daniel Jones was ranked number one hundred by Danny Kelly only because he needed to rank him and Casey was drafted. I'm probably lower than a lot of a lot of the. Draft analysts. Okay. Essentially, my I was ready to make fun. My entire stick on this podcast. Gonna be who overdrafted drew lock. Okay. The giants went out. And just got worse. Drew lock. And then drew lock didn't get drafted. At least drew lock has some of those traits that you want. I thought drew lock would be maybe this year's version of Josh allergist because somebody that has arm strength. You could talk yourself into it, Danny I get you are low on him. I don't like him. But because you're kind of the detached analysts here on the draft side, can you at least play devil's advocate and make some case why this makes any sense share. So okay. He he's a tools guy. And it's it is somewhat similar to the Josh Allen thing in the sense that he's got the frame. He's got the mechanics he'd like on the hook. He looks like a like a pro quarterback in the sense that he has adequate arm, you know, he's very athletic. He he's actually he he's sort of. In that Josh Allen mole in his athleticism. So he can bring that as a runner Bill like overall, he has the tools that you want from quarterback. It's just to me that the thing that like completely. You know, makes me very very worried about his pro potential is he doesn't start with very good intimidation. He's deep as inaccurate deep. He's very kind of scattershot deep in. He doesn't react to pressure. Very well. I just think there's a lot of things that are really working against him statistics. In college were terrible. I know that he had a bad sport system. But I mean, man, they were really really bad. So there's just so many reasons to be skeptical has pick. So here's the thing with me. He's not tools iw. I agree. He looks like a quarterback that is. And when I watched this guy, it's not like, they're these eye-popping throws the job out at you. Like man if we can just wrangle this Josh Allen have. Yes. I the few games. I've watched from Daniel Jones. It's not as if he's got this just cannon arm. They like all right. If we just clean some of this stuff up here, we go. But when I'm watching that guy. It's I'm not looking at a guy. What's up, man? I'm really intrigued. By the skill set. He looks like an NFL quarterback and he's boring via these are the things that make Daniel Jones attractive NFL teams. I mean, a win was talking about how he fell in love with Daniel Joe, I didn't see the presser buzz reading about it on Twitter. He fell in love with Daniel Jones based on a few telling I guess drives in the senior bowl or something like that. And I mean, all pro quarterback at the senior bowl great seven hundred hundred off this year. Second year where Dave Gettleman has had no idea and no concept of what value is in the draft. He's had two top six picks. He turned it into a running back and quarterback who can't play last year. He made fun of the idea that he should trae down this year took a guy, I don't know generously or thirty picks too early. He could have just gotten been the back end of this first round and has gotten drew lock that way. And then take an impact player that with with the sixth overall pick. I just Dave Gettleman. I can't advertise snuff. We talk so often about people don't know what they're doing. But those will actually know what they're doing. Dave Gettleman has no idea what he's doing a the along those lines. Let's talk about what they did with the first round pick that they got Frodo beco-. Yeah. We we weren't unpiloted on the giants. Go worry. I was getting there. I. The fact that they traded Odell Beckham for what became a three hundred forty pound defensive tackle engine Brill peppers. You cannot get any more. Dave a- Gettleman than that. That is just him boil down to his essence like, you know, what I would Beckham not that great. I want to three hundred and forty pound nose tackle. I would be you can't even have now because he feels like he's got a plan. Right. I I if you fire him now who does all the damage. I'm like I'd rather him see this out because he's already done all the damage, and you can't screw anything else up. Right. So I'm going gonna go like four years, and then he'll get fired. But I'm just saying I'd rather if I'm John Mars, we can't get back to back back. You can't get the pick that you got four Odell Beckham back. It's over. It's all gone. So you might as well just stay with him. And you know. See see the car wreck and not to be outdone. The giants traded away apple last year decided to trade up from thirty seven to thirty. And then give up with one thirty two and one forty two because the giants are definitely the sort of team should be making trades up for specific players because they have a ton of talent. Now, even if you liked the Andre Baker. I it's just not a move. It. Smart teams do and nothing that they did today or in line with what smart teams, do I wanna talk Bill more thing regarding this. So Dave him comes out and says he might sit Dan Jones for three years except for three years, and this hearkens back to something that Dave Gettleman said earlier in the draft process, which is he likes the Kansas City model, which is not candidate thing. Not. Well, no, no. It is a thing. I mean, it's but the thing involves having Patrick Mahomes. That's the end result of the Kansas City model and also by the way getting Alex Smith giving him away in getting second round pick and fuller. Incorrect turn and not going to get that Freeland manning. So you're gonna giants also quarterback and nothing to show for your veteran quarterback. Congratulations Kansas City model. Dave settlement the Kansas City Chiefs. I believe finished number four and offense of Devi away. The year that Patrick Mahomes was sitting on the bench and. Alex Smith was Iraq. They also have a good offensive staff, and they're also good team won't. Yes. But I'm just saying there's a reason that you sit a guy when you are a playoff team and your offense is very good. That is not going to happen with Eli manning and this offense this year the giants in one season have managed to go from having an offense with ally. Manning throwing two Oto Beckham to an offense that has Hewlett manning a six for the six overall pick tied up at another quarterback and golden Tate. This is where we are. It'd be I'd be irate. If I was a giants fan. Let's get beyond the giants because we could probably talk about this for way too long. Yeah. Danny outside of the New York football giants blowing up their entire franchise. What from the first row what let's stick with the top ten anything in the top ten that was truly shocking to you. I think that the Cleveland feral pick by the raiders is probably the one that went furthest away from most boards, but outside of that everything make. Some sense. Even Josh Allen to the Jaguars isn't necessarily something most of us predicted. Yeah. The the Ferral pick was I think by far the most surprising to a lot of people. You know, just because I think most people expected him to be in teens or maybe in their early twenties. I actually had number six on my board. I really like him. I think I was you know, definitely higher on him than a lot of people. I think he's just a really high floor pass rusher with you know, a very good skill set. But he doesn't have quite the upside is a lot of these other guys in this class. Like the fact that he went before at all, you know, Josh Allen, even it is. It is pretty surprising. So that was that was the big one. I mean, other than that like you said is a little bit Chuck, I think Hopkinson going number eight to the lions which we talked about the other day is kind of funny. He has a lot to live up there live up to their and is gonna you know, hopefully that he becomes a big impact player because I just feel terrible for lions fans, if they had another top ten tight end that didn't really, you know, pan out for them. But it's a very different player at the the favor. It I I'm high on him. I think he's he's definitely good enough. But man, he's got a he's got a really be good to. I think live up to that pick. They certainly have ghosts. When it comes to top tight ends in especially in drafts full of really good players and really good defensive players, especially so. Yeah. That wouldn't again we we saw that a little bit. But I don't think either of us expected it to happen outside of that though. Danny. I mean, there really isn't a lot of stuff that jumps out. There's a lot of shock, obviously. I think Joan Williams is we've thought he was the best offensive lineman in the draft. Devon's going the top. Ten the Steelers moving up to get Devon Bush. Again, not surprising. I think that it's more aggressive than something. They would normally do. But in terms of positional they really needed a presence like him in the middle of their defense. I love that pick. I I'm like we said it before like, I generally speaking hate the idea of training trading up for any player other than at quarterback, especially in the first round like in the second third round. It doesn't matter. But. Because you're giving up a lot to do that to that move in. So he's got to be very like he's going to be a huge impact player. But I think he can be I think he'll be a star. He has the speed of that, you know, he I don't know if he's as fast as ear. But he he's definitely really fast. He he's explosive. He can blitz. He can do everything I think that the Steelers liked to do on defense. And so that fit is just perfect for me. He's kind of a tone setter and all that stuff. So it's gonna be a lot of fun to watch that one. I think it's worse when you really give up high level draft us do it like like, for example, the saints last year going up and getting Marcus Davenport and having to give their first round pick. That's exactly what I was thinking of. Yeah. The fact that Denver I mean, excuse me, the fact that the Steelers gave up number fifty two and a twenty twenty third round pick to do this. It's much more palatable not debilitating. Yeah. The one pick actually wanna get your opinion on that. I thought it was pretty interesting is I don't know if I saw many people mocking Josh Allen to the Jags just because the. Jags. I think are in the four three three or four distinction. Doesn't matter quite as much as it used to or might not matter at all anymore. But I always Allen as like a prototype three or four guy who's going to be standing up a lot in rushing. So I'm kind of curious how that will work out. And if they're going to have him stand up and rush and kind of be like a Sam linebacker on bass downs, or whatever like how they're gonna utilize him or if he's just going to be a dedicated hand in dirt rusher because I don't know if that was necessarily like his forte in college is definitely more of like a play all over the defense guys. I'm interested Z how he's deployed there. I'll be curious to see what their plan is long-term at that position. If he is going to be a true edge rusher for them. Eclipse Campbell is on the books through twenty twenty. But he's thirty two years old, right? You have Janaka Gakuen who's sitting free agency next year. He's going to get that DeMarcus Lawrence Frank Clark contract or the franchise tag. So it just feels like this is a contingency plan for some questionable or some kind of up in the air. Contract situations at that position for them. It for me, it just doesn't feel like I think when you use a guy with that. Kind of varied skill set off the ball a lot. You're doing yourself a disservice. I think that's a way tonight that guy less impactful, and that's why I just would make him in Russia. I wouldn't ask him to do all these different things. Did you have a favorite pick in the top ten? I would probably say at Oliver just because if you can get the most talented player in the draft at number nine, and again, the the bills are insertion interesting place because they spent a lot of money in free agency this season. Can I ask you really think Oliver's most talented? I don't know what talented means and just like, I mean his athletic profile. Is you absolutely could argue. He's the most physically talented athlete in the top ten Danny? Do you think that's farfetched? I'm just looking through here. I mean, I could. Yeah. Probably you could argue Cuyler Murray's like. That's really freaking town for pound or whatever it's hard to turn around because I live worry. If you look at is if you look at these other guys mean, Josh Allen, maybe in that conversation, but I mean is very high floor, but I think pretty defined ceiling. We watch his ceiling every single week with the chargers. I think Quinn Williams is a very good player. I don't think Quinton Williams is ever going to be dominant players because again, his athletic traits are not there. Cleveland Farrell's the same way. So it's I just think that at at Oliver has an upside that not that many guys in the top ten hat, and if you get that guy nine I think it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. I mean, and it fits, you know, I think they had that need it fits their scheme. I'm really excited to see if they'll have him kinda rush off Nino three technique or potentially even on the outside just based on his physical traits like if he can play elsewhere from you know, instead of just being like, a two gap ING nose guard or nose tackle or whatever. I'm kind of excited. I'm really excited to see. You know, how he can blossom in more roles in that defense and see like how they use him. I just feel like he's at three technique under tackling the. Yeah, I mean when you look at a guy like that again, which is his physical profile. It's probably tempting to say mad. How many different ways can we use him? But I just don't think you get that cute. I think you just put him at three technique you tell him get after the quarterback, and you just figure it out. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Is there a picked any outside the top ten that was your favorite of the night. Man. That's I mean, I really like the Jona Williams pick. Yeah. To to the Bengals. I mean, that's a home run for me to them. I think you know, he I I wrote this in my in my grades. He could literally be a pro bowler at any position on that offensive line. I think like there's talk of him potentially not not from the Bengals. But there was pre-draft talk of him potentially being a center he has obviously the skill set to play guard. I think he could be a left tackle if you needed to be you might not need to start there. But it's another one of those. It's just like I don't fucking play left. Well, he's a really good way. Tackle I get what this happens, I'm fine with that. It will be interesting to see what they do. They traded for cordy Glenn. And and you know, so he might not start there right away. But I absolutely agree with you. I think he's got a left tackle skillset. Okay. If Montas sweat is healthy. He's still draft. You think so? I mean, yeah, I think he's really good. And I think if you got him at twenty six, and there's no I mean, there was a weird report earlier on Thursday that some teams thought maybe it was misdiagnosis it. Yeah. Was that true? I I don't I don't know. I'm gonna go. Let's let's leave that aside for a second. It's essay I like Redskins draft. Yeah. Me to the reds. Get it worked out very well for the Redskins. So they had to give up the number forty six pick and twenty twenty second ready to move up to twenty six for sweat again, not ideal. But it's not debilitating. And the fact that they could you sit there at fifteen and get the second best quarterback in the draft. And not have to worry about moving up everything else. He that is a perfect scenario Veda that thing I talked about this with when Dan Ronan through Ciller or in the week. I they did the thing that the charges do allow just take the famous guy. Yes. He's like take the most obvious. They did that twice with Haskins. Yes. What it was just like it was they took the most obvious guy in both situations outside of sweat because he fell a little bit. Is there anyone that went in the range? We probably expected that you like Kevin. I mean, I so Robby you're the one who doesn't like Nicole, Harry, I didn't cue hearing not even in the patriots system. I just don't like him very much. I I just think that he struggles to separate. I think he's just not the type of receiver that I like I am not going to go for the guy who out muscles you, and it's a contested catch machine in college. I wanna see my guys get open, first and foremost, and I just don't think he did that consistently day. Do you think that's off base? So no, I don't think he no, I don't think that's off base. I don't think he was a, you know, a separator or whatever. But I actually think the fit is perfect because I mean Brady throws with anticipation is gonna throw it up for him. I think Harry has the ability to separate late uses frame in his size in his in his hands to win the catch point in. So I like the fit a lot actually, you know, it's it's always a crap shoot when the patriots receiver. I mean, that's the thing. It's record is not there. So that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but like I like him, and I think that's a perfect fit for him. So I'm excited to see how it goes. But I I definitely am kind of on the same track. Where I see what Nick Nicole, Harry, like would detractors would see in the sense that you know, he he's he's not going to separate and he's not super explosive. So I think that's gonna be a fascinating one. I like the Jerry Tillery pick for the charge my favorite one. Yeah. I mean that that's exactly where I think we expected him go in that range. And it's a perfect fit like on that defensive line. It's he's going to just be able to just get after it. I think the sheer amount of pass rushing and explosive talent they have now if he ends up being good with Bosa Ingram and him this nasty, man. And chargers keep making picks that I like they have not had that guy in the interior in a while, you know, Leauge it's not that person. He's a different style a player and to have a sudden penetrating defensive tackle. That is just something they'd been missing from that defense pretty much for the last five years this iterative of the defense. They're a couple guys Danny here in this list that it just makes sense to me in terms of the marriage between team and player in need and range. I think that Brian burns to Carolina is a perfect example of that. I like that I think the Garry Bradbury to the Vikings at eighteen is a perfect example of that. And the Bronco is being able to go down from ten and getting no fan makes sense to me because they really needed. Some sort of playmaking presence at tight end or just in the receiving core in general because you have a male Sanders is hurt us coming back from it. He to Bill like very devastating last year. You're obviously lose Demaria's Thomas. So they really did need another presence there. And I think that's exactly what he gives you. So a lot of picks in that range. That's just like, okay. I I can see it. Andre Diller to Philadelphia is. I mean, it's clearly a Jason graders contingency plan there. So they're trying to figure out some sort of succession plan at left tackle the joint. The falcons picking Chris Lindstrom is interesting to me because they spent on two guards in free agency. They got your mom Brown and James carpenter. So you can into your offensive linemen. And then they come back at thirty one very from Washington. So I thought this they would really try to beef up defense for one more run before these guys have to get paid. Whether it's great Jared on a long term deal whether it's Dion Jones contract. Being up at the end of the season. But they want the opposite direction. They really tried to say all right? We want our offense to be as complete as a possibly can they spent a lot too because I think fourteen with a little bit high for Lindstrom, especially within players that were so on the board, including Bradbury who I'd like a lot. And then they I can't remember what they spent was like second or third to come up and get mcgarry. So I mean, man, they really really wanted to bolster that offensive. I and I kind of get it. I guess because you know, offensively they really really the rely on balance and keeping a Matt Ryan clean and all that. But but man, it was that that was kinda surprising. I like you said I wasn't expecting them to double down on that in particular, especially after what they didn't free agency. So let's go back into kind of the giants moult here with franchises using picks that they got in superstar trades and really deploying them in terrible ways, the raiders picking a running back with the Khalil Mack. First round pick. Just the light to me. It is fair. I forgot about that. It's just I just don't understand if you're Oakland. And you're thinking about what that team needs. They still eat so much defensive talent. No matter what I mean. They have stopped gap line linebackers. They could definitely use somebody on the edge. I mean, why not if you're really scared about the month as sweat health situation. I guess that's why you don't take him there. But I think that we're going to be sitting there in two years being like, I cannot believe the raiders are rolling with this pass rush. And they drafted a running back in the first round. What team do they think was gonna take a running back? I don't know. I really don't know. The ravens weren't gonna. I don't think the ravens took a really fast receiver cause the ravens and don't do dumb shit. All the time. I just don't. Yeah. That one the the value didn't make any sense if anything I thought they were going to do that at twenty seven and the to do it at twenty four. It's just like who did they think was gonna like grab him at that spot. I mean, it just wasn't. I I didn't get it. And I forgot that that was the pick for Khalil Mack. Which just makes it even worse. Just like man before we move on. Let's take a quick break. 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So we didn't get to the defensive backs on the show, and we were previewing the draft. So I am less familiar with a lot of those guys than I am with other players different position. So let's talk about the safeties very prefigures. I don't know a lot about them so savage going to Green Bay Abraham or Abram going to Oakland into like those picks you feel like those guys win the right? Order kind of walked me through those. I mean savage that pick to me was a little bit of a that was a reach. I had him. I think like fifty something on my board. I like him a lot. I think maybe I'm going to end up looking back and being like, oh, man. I had him way too low. But they did I think trade up for that pick. So it's a big by. I'd like once now that the pick is in like I like the fiddle audit. It makes a lot of sense. I mean that defensive secondary has the chance to be seriously good, you know, they're they're young still, and they have to kinda figure it all out. But I mean, he got Adrian ammos who they signed him free agency. Josh jones. Joh- Alexander Kevin king. Josh jackson. I mean think about all the the, you know, high end picks that they've sunk into that position group, and I think savages sort of he's like a slot corner slash slot safety corner hybrid who organizations Veloce wide value. They love flexibility and Rodney's raggedy. I mean, obviously glucose is there for the it is your to his second draft. I wanna say by me, he's he learned to Ted Thompsons feet. That's a team that has always used a ton of resources in picks on those positions high because they love being able to do a lot of stuff in the back end. And I think he's you're seeing more the same. He's a really fun player. I think that I think Packer fans are going to really like him. He's he's got good instincts. He jumps routes. He's he's plays downhill a lot. And so he's he's really fun player super-athlete. So I don't like eight that pick the value to me wasn't quite right. But I don't know. It's always so hard to tell that this early. Just kind of have. To see how it goes. But I think the player makes a lot of sense in plug him into that defense fun. Either loves Rashawn Gary twelve by the way, I live in Green Bay. It's while I'm just sitting quietly fist. Thank you. Well, you know, a lot of Seahawks fans were feeling that too because he'd been connected to the a bunch today and yesterday and stuff so. Yeah. And then Abram to the raiders it. It's I mean, I liked when I so I had a bias. I think going in that he's a box safety. And I just don't think that there's that much value in box eighth in general. But when I turned on the tape for Abram, he was one of the most fun players to watch on tape of any player in this whole draft. I mean, he flies around he hits guys, you know, he takes personal offense. If you try to block him there was actually if you go watch the Iowa game he was like throwing Hodkinson around in. So yeah, I mean, he he's like a really fun. He's like Jamal Adams kind of esque interesting. Okay. I it seems like they need a presence like that. They've kinda swollen missed on some safeties as of late in. That's yeah. I wrote it he he's a culture identity. I think creator type player. Oh is Josh Jacobs. I mean, you can see what the raiders are trying to do. They're trying to get like tough physical dudes on who'll fence. I mean, that's mayo. I the S that works for me. The judge Jacobs thing does not work for me. No. I mean, I agree. But both guys I think are sort of identity picks or whatever one pick that. I was surprised by just because it's not a name that had been really mentioned in that range. Also went ahead of the guys that I think kind of the consensus was better than him is ties Howard going to Houston. And I think that probably says more about Juwan Taylor's health than it does though than the tightest Howard is worthy of that pick. So yeah that came in late that he had like a knee thing. I didn't think we even knew about until yesterday or today and so today being Thursday night. And so yeah, that was a big surprise that. He felt that far Cody Ford is still on the board. I believe right. He didn't he didn't get taken in the first round. He's not I was gonna ask you who the best guys left were in who was still remaining. The top of your board. I mean as we go into tomorrow spin this forward a little bit. So who are those guys Cody Ford's one name jaunty was another name anybody else for me. Byron Murphy in green Williams still being on. The board is interesting. I knew we knew that like there was a chance that Cornerbacks could really fall in this class. And that definitely ended up happening. Deandra baker. I believe is the first corner that went off bores and only cornerback with. Yes, apprising. I'm assuming the giants were kind of sitting there as the first route is winding down, and they're just like really like Neo. No one's gonna take him. I this with no Cornerbacks going. I guarantee you. That's why they were getting on the phone to try to move back up because they just you'd be available in to me. And that's actually kind of funny because I think in the last month or so all we'd heard in the rumor mill or whatever was that Baker was the one who could fall. And so I don't know. It's just this is the perfect like, you know, that's just how the draft goes. That was big prize. I thought it was surprising that AJ Brown didn't go in the first round. I thought he might be a first rounder. I mean other than that. It wasn't like super surprising. I it made sense to me that Markey's Brown was the first receiver to go off the board decay Metcalf is still out there. But like past that, I think coming into the draft. It was pretty clear that the players from about twenty to sixty five or seventy news a big like plateau of like talent, it really wasn't going to be to spicing. If you guys kinda like like, I think savage is a perfect example like some people might have had have been the first rounder. Some people might have had him as a second round or in. It didn't really matter because there was just a plateau like of the I think grades that a lot of teams had for these guys who are not even just in terms of value were guys you like, but whose landing spot of you most intrigued by on day two. On day to like, those guys are still left who are you really curious. Like, I wonder where he's going to go. Yes. So actually did it to round mock draft yet this week and a couple teams I think I think that that second round could be like receiver the receiver around or some some of these guys come off the board. I put decay Metcalf to colts while I just think having him paired up with with TY Hilton you give him to you give Andrew luck to really really good dynamic deep threats have days. Yeah. And then you get funchess over the middle is kind of like a just a big slot weapon. So I kinda thought that was an intriguing pairing. I like Kim Butler with forty Niners. You know, AJ Brown could go to either these teams now. And so that'd be really fascinating too. Because I think he's actually he's fallen a little bit more than I expected. So I'm really interested to see where I guess the receivers go and then. I'm just looking at like the board of all the players that are still out there. I'm very curious see where these tackles are gonna go. And where these corners are gonna go because I was expecting them to be first rounders. Yeah. It seems like you're the drew lock thing is really interesting. You mention that. Because I think the tree and so one of the things I think is interesting is that I'm thinking about the Josh Rosen thing little bit. Because if you're one of these teams would want to trade third round pick for Josh Rosen. If you wanted to Chinses planning for the future, are you thinking about may be just taking drew lock in the second round. I don't know. Maybe I mean, I'm just saying it's the same sort of market, which is like at some point. This is a value. This is a value. So that's I think the Josh Rosen is better than drew lock. I'm not making that comparison at all for what I'm saying. Is if you're someone like the Green Bay Packers dislike, and whatever I just think he's start thinking about it. See the the Bengals for instance. Oh, those that's the class of team that I would be thinking about it's not. The successor because Rogers, I've never understood the drew Walker quarterback degree bathing data into your my hat. Unite wanted to chaos you have to pay Rodgers for three more years. So essentially, the rookie deal is over for the quarterback that you distracted. You're throwing away all value for having a quarterback rookie contract. If you try if you draft one right now if you're Green Bay, but that sect of teams like Cincinnati. I would throw the bucks in there. I mean, if you're getting him the second round, and you're not paying him anything. It's a possible plan to move on from Jameis Winston after the season. If you see that. So I that I think there are more teams in play for lock now that he's slipped into the second round. Then we probably are thinking about it. First glance. Decay. Any other thoughts any parting shots here before we go to bed? It's seven forty Pacific time. Who else could have taken a quarterback because there's a thing. I think right now the dolphins the team when they might be tanking that we say, okay, they need a quarterback. I don't really think any. I'm not really surprised maybe the chargers look at it. At some point. I think Oakland is the other team will not I mean open who the hell knows with their doing and Fay like true lock. Why wouldn't you take him at thirty five? Why would help man instead of the running back at spoof? If they didn't they like to take you to more than Josh tweet. I'm sorry. I don't have the name in front of me by sell like ten minutes ago. There was like the the greater seller scouts home. 'cause they were scared that the Cleland feral pick was going to leak really ever on the top ten like good good for you guys out. We're going to laugh at them. That's the issue. Yeah. That that's not something where it's like. Hey, guys. Don't do this. Go home. It's about just general discord because the decisions being made terrible decisions. I decay. Thank you very much. I I don't understand how you're still alive right now. But hopefully, you can keep kind of powering through here. We'll be back later this weekend after a couple more rounds kind of flat the board here. We will revisit, you know, some of the values that were found on day two on day three. And so then though as always thank you so much fell show on the ring a podcast network. We'll talk to you guys. Support for today's show comes from collection by Michael Strahan available exclusively at JC Penney collection by Michael Strahan. Makes it easy to look. Good and feel your best. No matter the occasion, the collection includes suit, separates, sportcoats, dress shirts. Neck, wear belts, accessories, basics, Dedham, luggage and shoes big it's all and boy sizes to collection by Michael Strahan is available exclusively at JC Penney. Visit store near you are gonna JCP dot com.

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Thanks to bang clinics of america light gold medalists misty may trainer gang clinics of america worked for me and they can work for you to call bank clinics of american american now to see if you qualify for a free consultation. Most treatments are covered by insurance eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred that's eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred eight eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred filling in for dan patrick broadcasting from the mercedes studios in los angeles. Here's jug godly the jason mcintyre mcintyre gottlieb in the morning for you live from l. a. I hope you're having a wonderful morning had a good weekend. You're on the east coast. You're up. You're around. You're like man is game week game week in college football and we creep closer and closer to n._f._l. Week one macintyre. How'd you celebrate your last sunday without competitive football on television. We got a block party actually and here's here's a funny one for you so we got like a taco truck. You know that's what they do out here in l._a. And the guy comes up to being goes hey i saw you undisputed last week and i was like oh no go. Tell me your a raiders fan because he's raiders fans. Kill me all week and he's like no. No i like the atlanta falcons those like okay any thoughts on any tonio brown he goes. You're spot on he as a knucklehead and i was like you know. I think we're gonna talk about antonio. Brown a little bit on the dan patrick show monday morning and <hes>. You know we were swap. It's of text about it doug way so all of a sudden. I love bali. You're swapping texts with the taco with you with you. Those are some good tacos yeah. Can i get your cell phone number taco. No people have fired up about antonio brown tacos and tacos. They were good. No doubt about it i could. That's not as strong path. You're good wow. The alcohol was better. How about how about the okay yeah jason mcintyre up early morning shaking off shaking off a couple of rusty st nails is i'm doug gottlieb so david and the danettes are off this week. We'll be filling in for him so let's get to the antonio brown because as most of us were going what about our last weekend of of competitive football on t._v. I bring that up because there's college football saturday sunday monday going forward into next week on next weekend antonio brown a no show at raiders camp according again right now. There's a bunch of different layers to it. I think maybe the most interesting layer to begin with is the fact that this was not only said by mike mayock but it was tweeted out by the oakland raiders themselves like this. This is our statement here you go. Here's mike mayock gentlemen the raiders. Here's the bottom line. He's upset about the helmet issue. We have supported ordered that we appreciate that okay but we've at this point. We pretty much exhausted all atms so from our perspective if it's time for him to be all in or all out so we're hoping he's back food. We got eighty nine guys boston there. We're really excited about where this franchise is going and we hope he's going to be a big part of it. Starting league want against denver and the story no question got eighty nine dudes here and taurean allen likely all right so his agent is <hes> drew rosenhaus who had this to say. Hey we've worked very closely with the raiders and we will continue to work very closely with the raiders. I'm not sure that we agree that. We've exhausted exhausted. All the options is mike mayock said <hes> but there's no doubt it's still an ongoing process. We are trying to work with the team and the league and the union to come up with the solution. We haven't figured out yet to say that abe is upset about the decision to not let him worse helmet is accurate accurate but we're still processing it and figuring it out i wouldn't make too much about him not being there today as much as we're still trying to come up with the solution that works forever yeah i wouldn't. He doesn't matter what you bring mike mayock the general manager did have a big issue with you not being there <hes> this ian rappaport rap sheet n._f._l. Network and fell dot com raiders wide receiver antonio round may not yet have be out of options. My understanding is to more helmets same shoot air advantage that he prefers being tested for possible use. They were made in different years than the original. One tested a two thousand fourteen in two thousand ten. Merman has the guy who likes to play in the harare cheese. Remember the the the nike iraqis to the fab five originally played in them and then he couldn't find him islam like not only played in harare cheese and he had guys and then and then he got some iraqis and they were knockoffs from china and he could find trying to find rockies now. He's found some other harare cheese. He's like i wanna wear like no man just where the other shoes. Why does he insist on being so difficult. That's what i can't get over is he just looking doug to not play in the preseason not practice. He just wants to do the games because for a guy who quit on his team in pittsburgh which is what he did week seventeen. He goes awol last week last year because of <hes> the team allegedly according to many reporters the team voted juju smith schuster the team m._v._p. And antonio brown was livid over that <hes> got into it with ben rothlisberger and quick walks away from the steelers. They could barely trade this guy because there was no takers. The buffalo bills wanted him. Antonio brown's like i ain't signing there. Don't trade me there. That's not going to happen and then the raiders are the only team that jumps in jon gruden. I don't think he anticipated it being this bad well. I think there's there's a bunch of there's also the hard knocks tangle to it right. Does this bring more attention to him. Because of hard knocks is that kind of his desire to do so is the does the team is the team okay with that. <hes> i i would say no. There's also the good cop bad cop of gruden going back a week and a half ago fully supportive and now mike mayock being bad copy like yo. It's time to to get into camp. I that's really interesting but at the same time i think we both agree that gruden brought in may be the college scouting guy right. He's didn't charge of the draft but gruden's the one with the final say on antonio brown volunteers perfect richie incognito. That's my assumption here outside side. The organization. I also look may also an evaluator who knows the entire league too so i. I think there's a at this point. General managers are trying to fill holes and and check the waiver wire and guys that people are trying to cut at interesting time so that they can <hes> stash him on the practice squad. There's more to it than that but i would generally think i did. Yes he has final say in antonio round and a player personnel move of that magnitude <hes> but i think i think the big thing thing is this you might be able to get away with this. If you have sweat equity where you are right like if he had been arrested for two or three years and end <hes> he'd shown up camp and you had great seasons and he'd been kind of the picture of what a wide receiver supposed to be they like yeah you want in your own helmet be you. Do you be there week one of the season make sure you get to rest but he he's barely played with their car he just has he worked out with him in the off season and we've barely play with him. He's barely been in this offense. The reports are he hasn't been paying attention in meetings because he's on instagram and <hes> checking checking his bank account chuckling tableau yeah okay. This sounds like a real class. Individual real perfect fit for the oakland raiders this franchise doug you know the last sixteen years fifteen of them. They missed the playoffs. Yeah which is why they brought gruden and why you gotta check in your deal and why he stripped down to start all over like all of these things made complete complete sense to me exactly what they were doing the antonio brown thing even that trade but they didn't have to give them this big contract they did. He comes out and says he's gonna bring accountability and he hasn't been accountable. This is it's you you think this was a good move to bring in antonio brown. I think it's an upgrade over mark hooper well. We know that yeah i <music>. I doubt i think you have to spend money. I thought they spent a little bit too much money in their award guy with bad behavior with more money and as chris carter likes to say money doesn't make you you a different person that makes you more of who you are. <hes> and you know this is n. Toni around is and and by the way this is the buyer beware for any of any of these teams with any of these frontloaded contracts with any guy who has who has baggage was issues right like the the issues are different for zeke elliott but they're still issues there then you sit there and and go like okay. You've been doing all this stuff on rookie deal. Now you want me to give you the biggest deal in history league for running back and i'm watching antonio. We're like guys aren't people are there until l. beckham junior in that group if i will just do odell beckham and we all expect beckham junior now to be like a solid a perfect teammate when he was a complete pain in the ass when he's at the new york giants post after the catch that's when he became like a diva global superstar or he just became like i we're gonna do it. My way boat trips all that fun stuff with it. Got it did it got progressively worse and fuelled by the bright lights big city in the money and the fame and all those i think the trappings it it's it's very normal human male tale right <hes> so so and then he had the video with the girl in the hotel room. What looked like cocaine fine. <hes> the giants thought about getting rid of him he he went on a good behaviour tour for like three or four months. They give him a big contract and history. Sport is his position and then you know then he's doing interviews and criticizes quarterback and his teammates and bailing on onside kicks and misses the last couple of games with the kind of mysterious quad injury and they trade him so so so now. We expect him to be a different guy when he's in cleveland place. He didn't want to be in to begin with the yeah so that that's basically what you're saying. Well we're all saying about. Antonio brown is like this. He's always been <hes> the the steelers have smartly covered port. It's gotten worse and worse over the years the raiders <hes> kind of fueled it by empowering him giving him money telling telling him that he was you know the chosen one and the one to kind of lead them out of this abyss and and by doing it. I think in addition to not having sweat equity. This is gonna leave a bad taste in a lot of people john gerns an offensive guy like that's what he likes to tinker with offensive guys quarterbacks and this guy's the weapon that he he wanted to build his entire around who could not handle the at antonio brown was out there you went out made a move and then this is how he treated like this is a bad back on. I love your comparison odell beckham. It reminds me and i've told this story on might saturday radio show of the scorpion and the frog scorpion needs a ride across the river so says has to the frog. Hey can you give me a ride in the frogs like no man you're going to sting me and the scorpion says why would i sting you 'cause then. We'll both die. We're not gonna make it across frogs like you know what okay i'll give you a ride so halfway across the river. What happens a scorpion things in the frog and the frog. Why would you do that. We're going to die in the scorpion says that's what i do. That's just who i am and this is who antonio brown is. This is who owed l. Beckham is like antonio brown's you get that it's an old fable but antonio the brown where like way way back like way way back like centuries yeah. This is goes back eons so my favorite part is on antonio brown so after he quits on the steelers what week seventeen like two weeks later he goes to central michigan his alma mater by the way the only college that would take him and he donates these heated benches one hundred thousand dollars worth so he does nice things and then he goes back to being selfish immature jerk which is what he's doing and that's just not the kind of guy i want on my team on my locker room and if you're right and jon gruden wanted to build around this dope like you're willing to not khalil mack hold uphold khalil mack probably one of the most important position league waterman. You're gonna lose the khalil mack rush. You're finished finistere <unk> look. This is what people do. This is a dumb debate and i'll end it right here. Sorry i love you jay. Jason mcintyre doug gottlieb in for dan. The danettes is bad bad debate. Don't give me the where you're not going to build on look to keep khalil mack on a terrible defense. They were terrible. Defense gregoire indeed okay so the bad defense khalil mack to keep them. You had to pay him ninety million dollars which which would have completely impeded your ability to get anybody to franchise tag they could have franchise tag khalil back and kept him to work with all these young guys that they brought in now again. I could've tagged him. No they couldn't have done what they could have kept him for a year. Do you understand how the franchise tag works yes. How does it work. E tag them one year the same way. The redskins tagged kirk cousins. You would've had to pay him. What the tea is it top. Five market value correct justice the redskins dollar dollar for dollar against the cap hit by the way the new guys they brought in they brought him with the picks because the brennan with the picks that were obtained trade and then they had the money leftover from it and he wasn't gonna play on the franchise tag. Which is what what's happening around the league so you can say should franchise tactic instead they pull off a trade judea liane counties out there that the economy's down as good he'll show up but he's gonna show up but they they couldn't. The houston can't get two first-round pick for trump now look. It's a little different scenario at this point in time but but the point is like don't don't do this. This is what fans do k. Where they they go like what are you could add. Khalil mack was a great guide and a better player like you could have but you still had no defense. You would have had no picks. They scrapped it down. This is a short term deal. It's basically two years of money and this this is mario cooper or or antonio brown and amari cooper shows up more than antonio brown is not as good a player okay. He's just not and in addition to not having to pay him. You got another first round pick. <hes> amari cooper is younger than antonio is better. <hes> well told me about it right now but again header. Here's the thing antonio brown's. The basic status led the n._f._l. With fifteen touchdowns last year that's wonderful if you look in depth at the numbers according to the football outsiders last year was his worst year in about six seasons. Ben rothlisberger led the league in pass attempts to get in tonio. Brown's numbers started to tick down. You would think they would go up. There was no levy on bell brown. I'm not saying he is in full decline but he definitely is not when he was five and six years ago and i like antonio brown is a talent. I don't like him as a leader. So if you're gonna let go khalil mack and that's fine. You don't have to pay him <hes> he doesn't want to be there. You can't build a defense around him. How are you going to build around antonio. Oh brown. Why would that be the plan why build around donio brat. I don't think they're building around antonio brown. I think they had to figure out if derek carr is good enough at quarterback and in order to find out if he's good enough a quarterback you gotta get somebody that commands a double team and that's what antonio brown does and he can still beat a double team you know and then you have to like look as you put it out. Fifteen lena sixteen years they had made the playoffs they it was a terrible franchise. They had to scrap it and biscuits start. Which is what the he's done okay but don't start over with a knuckle. I got it like antonio. I got i got that part. We agree on that on the other hand. He's a super super talented knucklehead at gottlieb show. What's your twitter at. Jason are mac. I'd say by the way raiders offense. 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Most treatments are covered by insurance eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred that's eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred eight eight hundred three zero seven forty two hundred and g._m. Dan patrick show live from l._a. Dugout jason mcintyre filling in for dan and the danettes continued discuss antonio brown who was a wall from the oakland raiders camp yesterday jason as locked up for a c._b._s. sports n._f._l. Federal join us in moments. We'll get his thoughts. His update with the raiders have the lower intestinal fortitude to suspend antonio brown amen not gonna play week one. We'll settle your your your your helmet. Deal not gonna play week one <hes> potentially potentially who will play week one. Josh gordon member josh gordon. Oh gosh how could you forget. Josh gordon so talented. I mean one one of the you know when you talk about freaks and now buddy of mine bruce feldman over <hes> a fox sports f has one. He always has a list of freaks in college football if you did a freaks reeks list in the n._f._l. Josh gordon's on it every year. I mean this guy. Is somebody rose. Leave available every year. Oh do do you remember when he came back from one of his many suspensions with the cleveland browns. I grabbed him and fantasy football. I know a bunch of other guys did and in instantly the guys doing you in crazy stuff right out of the gate. Awesome catches makes quarterbacks. Much better stretches the defense. I cannot underestimate how big of an addition assists yes for tom. Brady given the off season people and it hurts me as a jet fan who i do believe the jets can win that division this year and this this josh gordon news is just awful for jets fans using they win the division. Oh yeah i mean even with even with the injuries. They sustained here in the in the preseason. There's been a couple of minor injuries. Nothing nothing super major lack of actual talent on the outside. Let's not go there <hes> with lack of actual town on the outside by talking about the patriots because their lack of talent before josh gordon the jets jets have better they did. I mean both as they had better skill position players know right now before josh gordon arrived. We're talking about no gronkowski okay. We're not gonna about no <hes> chris hogan's gone there receiver going into this year for week. One brady was going to be looking at ataman. A rookie nikiel. You'll harry at arizona. State is in again. Maybe philip dorset four four guy at a miami who catches like ten fifteen passes a year. He was pretty good the playoffs for the patriots but that's not an imposing group i mean i like sony michelle and james white obviously but if you look at the targets from last year brady had i mean james white lead lead them in targets adelman was second and then three is gronk. He's retired four was josh gordon. He was gone and then five hogan. He's in carolina so there was so much upheaval evil on this patriots offense and now it's just like tom. Brady gets another huge weapon and it just thought the league loves. Tom brady now. The league loves loves. Tom brady now. The league loves tom brady. He's gonna crush it. After a rough year chris collins worth your buddy he said brady was declining last week. Brady is declining lining. He's forty two years old. Everybody's forty years old declines from when they're forty one or forty unless they're taking something. He actually got better basketball. Knock your your brain operates better but your body and i think college worth. Is you know you watch the playoffs. Man he had was a two touchdowns three interceptions in the playoffs and should have been a four. You're you just need and and what happens is when you say that you're somehow def- defaming an all time great like no. It's not it's being accurate. Now is it it has. He declined to the peyton manning last season in the n._f._l. Level i it does not appear that way and this will help him look this is this is just the boost that the chart that the patriots needed and it's interesting because we should have seen this coming. If we didn't already remember there was the video of of tom brady working out with josh gordon in the off season and so there's a little bit of bread crumbs on that try and did you read the story about nicole harry the rookie receiver he initially had wanted josh josh gordon's number and they gave it to him and then they took it back and he had to change numbers. You're right. We should have seen this coming. Dan rutz showed a scenic coming <hes> well. There's still time for you to drop them on fantasy football. I've already picked up in the history league. I'm <hes> this is a guy so i don't think he's as good as is your uh-huh memories of him. He had the one year in cleveland where he is phenomenal but the team was terrible <hes> but i do think that he's legit outside. The numbers threat than simply didn't have have and there is some built trust <hes> with tom brady he does know the offense and he has been fully committed. The problem is like he's one sip of beer away from being out in the league again. He's only twenty eight six four to thirty rocked up. He's built like you gottlieb if you were six four so you know <hes> thirty hey let me just quickly say about the patriots. <hes> as we've mentioned declining tom brady just envisioned all these people attacking us on social media yeah <hes> there is a positive to dude. He quote unquote declining brady is the patriots are kind of reinventing themselves. If you remember brady's early years they won with defense and running the football then they get randy moss eh corey dillon a little bit of a lot of screen passes yes and so then they get randy. Moss and they're like let's go high. Octane brady fifty touchdown passes us us and then they get the the slot guys and they go to the double tight ends they just and this is what makes bella check the greatest of all time consistently and reinventing himself doug. I hear so much <hes> t._v. Sports well. What's this team's identity. What a little bit overrated. You wanna be able to pivot as quickly as you can and change change and adapt to the situation and nobody does that as well well spill ballot. You listen listen. You're you're right about the pragmatist. He's pragmatic right. He's pragmatic and this is what they were preparing for. Last year. It does take them a little bit longer to figure it out whereas they don't jam everything in and and display all other weaponry started the season they they use those first four games really as extended preseason <hes> but i don't think everybody can do that because you don't have the organizational azazel structure that they have. They don't have the quarterback. They don't have the players. The intelligence me like look. I talked to sean mcvay. We did <hes> dugout leaving. Jason mcintyre in for dan danettes so on my show doug alley show three to six eastern told through pacific we got to go to three different training camps got to go to rams the cowboys and got to go to the chargers and and <hes> the the best part about that is not just interviews but a winter camp like they did a walk through and mcvay came over and he hung out with us during a break do the interview hung out a little bit and then i watched practice talked him a little bit and i said <hes> i we were talking about the patriots film and i was like how many times you watched it and he's like you won't believe how many times he goes so here's basically what happened. It took us half the game to figure out exactly in the first. I have your figuring out what they're doing and how they're taking out of what you wanna do and then all the sudden they have an injury in their secondary and then they're doing something completely different he he goes teams can't do that most teams can't you can't come in and change game plans for the super bowl midway through you. Just you just can't go by and it's not just bill belichick. He also have to credit the coaches and the players and it's one of the things they have. They have always valued <hes>. They've always valued intelligence. Maybe over pure athleticism so i think that's a big part of it. The other part is and this is important. Tom brady hasn't taken top dollar so it allows them to spread that money rally because of the wife for whatever whatever reason he hasn't he hasn't and so it has allowed them. They don't have anyone who's the highest paid player at their position so though we look at their defense we say they don't really yeah playmakers on defense. It's the overall group that fits together. They can be a three four four three. They can do a lot of different. Things is all of that that works together. That's allowed bell the check to to constantly kind of evolve and and and change and figure out what he has sometimes midseason sometimes mid game and n._b._a. N._b._a. the greatest pragmatic i'll be brief. You're someone from the patriots came through f s one one day and he was on the patriots team that faced the falcons in the super bowl and he told the story at halftime of how brady and the team were saying guys. This rush is killing me. We can't do anything and instantly and halftime. They scrapped the whole plan and said we're going to just be the we're going to let them russia's everything's going to james white and they quickly pivoted and that game turned at some point in the third quarter and james white caught fifteen passes or whatever ever and they came back with the greatest rally in super bowl history and i just i mean anybody who bashes bella check. They don't like him. He's a cheater. You know rob parker our buddy. He loves to go. Oh after bill belichick is genius and people need to recognize that and the addition josh gordon is just gonna make this team and other. They're going to win another twelve games and they're probably going to the super bowl. It's crazy because last last year this time it was the search for wide receivers right they had just turned style going through wide receivers doing the patriot thing which is getting off the waiver wire fire and they've been amazing off the waiver wire and they figured out a way to make it work and became a power running team. <hes> you know late in the season but now you get nicole harry <hes> <hes> and you you get josh gordon and you start to think here we go against bringing jason lockenfora c._b._s. sports n._f._l. Insider and i wanna piggyback to antonio brown. We were discussing this earlier. Are the raiders really pissed or is that just mayock being bad cop and gruden being good cup. No i mean look we're. We're getting to go time now. Not that antonio brown was gonna be guy who they were gonna. <hes> you know make vulnerable vulnerable to significant injury risk and football games but like we're a couple of weeks from being at the start of week one and week one is we know doesn't start start when they play that first game right. It's the run up a practices to that first game and this you know this guy still awol more days than not and when you take you acquire guy on a contract that isn't has become team friendly and incredibly flexible and you give him thirty million dollars in new guarantees tease you you you now reached a point where like that guy needs to be around like we're we we are trying to build something here and we're trying to get younger and better at the same time and if the guy we just sort of went out on a limb for and rewarded in the off season and let's face it. It's a six month off season. He didn't you have to just start running around to find a new helmet now. This is a process. He could've started in january. He's known this is coming <hes> and instead he got stuck in and wanted to stay with his own helmet the model and and that's fine on your time but now we're on raiders time and it's time for him to start practicing the foot. You know at a point where he can be doing more and i i think that was a very real message and i believe the message will be received <hes>. He's got thirty million reasons to do so he was never going to retire. <hes> this is this is not the hill he's going to die on and i expect him to be around that facility this week and them to experiment with different helmets helmets and him to to really start the process of figuring out what he's going to wear in twenty nineteen because <hes> summer's over and real work is starting yeah jason. Let me ask you about this raiders situation you look at the schedule. They travel the most miles in the n._f._l. By a lot they have four sets of back to backs brutal well one of the toughest schedules in recent memory. I'm just like when antonio brown starts acting like this before the season oh my feet with the cryotherapy and now there's helmet limit and he's staying away from the team and it's just ugly. What's going to happen when they're one in six and it's looking even worse. I mean i is your assumption sumptuous. Then tonio brown is going to be absolutely a negative for the raiders or any hope that it's there is some positives from crazy receiver. I understand that the yards yards per target and the yards per reception. We're we're we're trending downward last year but he's still got in the end zone at a you know at a at a rate that you know few players achieve <hes> still caught a ton of balls and you could pencil men for one hundred catches and you know thirteen fourteen eighteen hundred yards every year he's played and he brings it on sundays and and the other thing that sort of being lost in this is that he's is also an all time great practice player now he hasn't been practicing so if you're not around then you're obviously not setting that tone but even when he was wearing the steelers out nobody body was ever like you know when when he's on the field practice or game he's a gamer. He practices like he plays. This is a guy <hes> who i've seen out out there on ninety eight degree days latrobe pennsylvania. You know the last guy off the field and it's it's not for show so i think once he's back in the fold i think a lot at this noise will go away at least temporarily <hes> but yeah they played tough schedule and if you're getting a stadium built right anytime you're getting a stadium built that means you're you're going to be sub subletting some of your games too you know london or mexico city or whatever <hes> the league allowed them to go to vegas and and you know that's even more where i sort of they get there from from mark davis so there's gonna be some things stacked against them but i think they have the ability to be improved at least my last year standard i. I don't think they're going to play offs or anything like that but i don't think they'll be as horrific as they were. Last year. Jason lockenfora doug alley been for dan the danettes the voice of jason <hes> doug ali bin jason mcintyre in for dan the danettes jason lockenfora is joining us from c._b._s. Sports is their n._f._l. Insider insider <hes> you know derwin james now going to have surgery and going to be out until at least november. This is as a rookie not an all pro a spectacular talent from a team that look. I know people make fun of the chargers further inability to draw at home but they won twelve games last year the most in the a._f._c. How big injury is this. It's huge. They just can't get into a season with a clean slate. They're they're always playing catch-up right. Last year. You know it's both a and and the tight end and this waiting game of when are they going to get on the field and we're holding roster spots open for guys because we know we've got a really good without him and we think we'll be able to peak late but that's sort of wearing as well and you guys know a war of attrition. This is or game of attrition. I should say and it's hard to sort of mitigate that at the times and and you have your you know your your kind of basically burning roster spots waiting for for somebody to come back in and the problem for the chargers have been generally hasn't just been like a guy you know what i mean. It's been three or four key guys who were missing large swath of the season so this it does cast a little bit of a cloud and it makes you continue to shake your head at their i. I don't know what he's done. Different studies. They've changed all different types of practice habits and this and that <hes> sometimes you just going to be unlucky guys playing a collision sport are going to get hurt but it's a significant blow because again thinking the chargers the probably won't won't be the only one and then what does the roster look like in december and you know are are they having to go into the playoffs because i think even without their james. They're are a playoff team. <hes> what what do they look like and he just you know just a guy who really won't be hitting stride until maybe january 'cause. It's gonna take them a four to six weeks after he comes back to really get going. Those are all the things you don't know after such a long lay-off so <hes> it's just crazy to me. I mean every year. I should say every yeah but like three straight years. I've sat there in june and just looked at rogers and said wow you know what i mean like. It was relished roster. Medically falls apart because of injuries are kicking or whatever jason jason let me ask you pivot quilted andrew luck speaking of guys who have been incredible last year comeback player of the year i i'm very disappointed in how the colts have handled this. They i mean this has been like five months and now they're diagnosing it as something different than they had. Initially i mean jason is it officially <hes> time to panic because andrew luck cannot go out there in the opener against ingram and bosa on a thumb wheel he will get hurt and he's a guy who's been injured. Many times in recent years makes me depressed well. I don't know about panic. I mean you're you're concerned. I mean this is something that they hoped would would get <hes> correct did with rest and and the right sort of treatment during you know the o._t. Period and the hope was that he would come out there the first day camp and start building up and they were on that trend for barely a week and then obviously they've had to shut it down. I think shutting it down. Early was the smartest thing they could do and i think earlier in his career. That's probably not what andrew would've done and he may have you know misled the medical not a little bit about the severity of pain thinking i can play through it. I got through it. You know i want to be there yada yada yada so i think once he said that hey this is actually we kinda kinda hurting more than thought that that at that point they've done things the right way and tried to get on a schedule where he's ready for week one willy b. Nobody he can guarantee that. I thought his warm up <hes> obviously didn't play against the browns but his warm up was encouraging some of the things he could do laterally the fact that he was even out there. You know in so much doing what he was doing and running around a little bit. I think it's on the colts fan. I'm encouraged by that but who knows about setbacks and you know we're talking about a calf left ankle. Could it be easily aggravated. Well yeah i mean it certainly could and nobody has a crystal ball and everybody in that organization wanted him to be coming into the season as healthy healthiest possible and that's not going to be the case but i also know he's a gamer i i know he's played through more significant things in the past rightly or wrongly so we'll just have to see eh but when he does come back i believe he will be <hes> a dominant football player. I i got the question is for for how many weeks until unless something happens again jason you got the colt mccoy story where it appears. His leg healed after surgery alex smith. I probably never plays football grind. <hes> you have case keenum dwayne haskins. <hes> you know who's who's been counted up down and he's he only played one year in college. Like what what what are the redskins look like when they officially take the deal we put on the season case keenum starting i was i was there for their game against the bengals and the chance to talk to people and take all that in <hes> there are things that duane asking does that not everybody can do and certainly not every redskins quarterback when you look at sort of their ugly history over the last twenty years of quarter but they haven't had too many guys who can uncork fifty sixty yard throws the way haskins can can do and do it effort effortlessly off his back foot. Do it under duress. <hes> i think he's come a long way with commanding the huddle learning the offense when i was out there in the spring they were blowing the whistle every other play because of a procedural mistake because he relayed part of production wrong or or didn't give everything out verbally the way he had to <hes> for him. The now be making his own sort of sight adjustments in actual games where he could get hit. I think is a tremendous move forward but <hes> their offensive line line looks the left side of it looks like i i don't want to speak to strongly. I was about to say something that i won't say but it's really really bad it's get somebody killed bed with donald pens out there in the fourth quarter still trying to get in shape and getting beat by guys who won't make the bengals you got a problem and trent williams i do i believe it's ever gonna play for the redskins again and they're gonna be forced to trade him and eric flowers at left guard godspeed so that's going to be the problem and whether it's keenum or whoever they're going to go through multiple quarterbacks i believe haskins will end up playing by about six or seven because the redskins records going to be so bad that this rebuild. They've been trying to stave off whether they wanted to or not. Nothing's been poorly debbie uncloudy deal in in houston <hes> does he play for the detections this season. It's conceivable. He plays a little while you know a few games if if they feel like that's gonna improve the trade value and if nobody's he's willing to give them what they think he's worth before the season starts then. Could you go in a situation where okay contending team with an owner who's all in is going to lose somebody and they'll be willing to take on this much of a salary in september which generally isn't the case most of these owners you know their budgets are set and the the money spent by you know june at the latest noticed and a lot of these guys aren't willing to take on big ticket items in season but they may have to play it out <hes> because again you know to your point doug. This should have been a front burner issue for them before the draft and they're trying to like force their g._m. Out and there's all this internal squabbling in the meantime frank clark's getting traded before getting traded. You know this guy's on a franchise tag and if you don't get him traded by july fifteenth and teams can extend them yeah you might do a wink wink deal but it's not the same as knowing you have a player for the next five or six years so they they've done some things systematically that i think have have devalued their position and hurt their leverage but he's still a young pass rusher in his prime and there's injury injury concerns and there's contract concerns but that's a commodity. That's never out of style so we'll see but the the problem is if it gets the september and he plays a couple of games and then he gets hurt now. You've really screwed the pooch awesome stuff jason lockenfora fall on c._b._s. Sports dot com c._s. n._f._l. N._f._l. insider j._c. Thanks much. How's it going guys. 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Week 12 Waiver Wire Pickups

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Week 12 Waiver Wire Pickups

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We're GONNA be talking. Can Waiver wires of course some week. Eleven stuff getting very close to the end of the fantasy regular season This week I'm going to pass it off to you. Take the reins heading into week. Twelve waiver wire episode all right Well so what we got our pick ups for the week But I and we're GonNa talk talk about what I think you and I both agree was one of the more frustrating Sundays. For overall football daily fantasy season long fantasy just washing football games. MM swearing get into you. Know a few specifics in terms of what we were talking about. And it's funny because I I called you and I just felt weird yesterday watching the game so he was just like. I'm not a fun day car knowing and then you said like the same thing and I was like okay. So we're GONNA talk about some of that But open question Mr Bisky. We're bad game last night. Rams Bear Bench trubisky With like I think it was two and a half minutes left down to possessions but it struck me as really really odd like. It's not a normal time to bench. You're starting quarterback we're back trubisky wasn't having a good game by any means that game which was a terrible game but he also wasn't. It was normal dad trubisky. It wasn't like it wasn't anything out of the norm So I guess my question two parts to one. Do you think we've seen the end of trubisky this season for the bears. And you'RE GONNA bench him in to. Should the bears be looking at replacing. Trubisky are better way of sentences. Do you think this is more trubisky or more Maggie. That last questions. It's really good. You know so. I'll start at the beginning of in terms of. Is this the end of Trubisky for this season. And that I think definitely okay not I think they definitely need to continue trying to figure out where the root cause is going forward is at the end of trubisky. It's one of those scenarios where I think that we've I've commented on a lot where they need to move on from quarterbacks a lot faster than they normally do of course. This is a very weird that season for Chicago and Chicago fans and beers players and etc because of their success they had last season winning the division etc.. You know is Ed. Is anyone aware of the fact and I was super surprised when I saw this but like Matt Nagy was the coach of the year last year. Like that's how much the a beers have fallen from grace like you have a window vision. They look a young quarterback their head head. Coach wins coach of the year in. Now they can't move the ball at all. I would probably put most of the blame on Bisky I mean it's it's it's just a quarterback he I'm sure that their plays running. Maybe could be a little bit better. Optimize could have a little bit better talent shirt but the to the level that they're playing at I. I was a mostly falls on their quarterback. They should probably be in a scenario. Where maybe they're not drafting a first round quarterback or moving up but they should highly be looking at someone on that might fall a little bit my goal in the second third round? I mean remember. Russell Wilson went and third round. I think they should be still actively looking in the off season if it doesn't continue In the off season I think they need to seriously derives open agree. I think I think I think it's more trubisky for sure. I don't think they should bench though I think I think we're coaching comes in. And I feel like when you watch your biscuit similar to Josh Away. Bills US Josh. Allen I think with trubisky you have to cut him loose a little bit and he running has to be a part of it. A man sounds too simplistic but running has to be a part Mitch. TRUBISKY's game 'cause he's athletic he can. He's mobile if you force your Bisky to be a strict dropback passer pocket quarterback you're gonNA. He's clearly not accurate but the other thing with with with risky is like and he's not good by any stretch and imagination but I think their their collection of weapons is like sneaky bad and I mean outside of Allen Robinson who never get separation. He's a very good makes contested catches saw receiver Entry Cohen. Who they don't use probably nearly enough I feel like they're his surrounding? CAST is just. He's not served very well by his supporting cast doesn't mean that he shouldn't be better he should but I think I think he should start for the rest of the season and if they do part ways with your bisky in the off in the off season I think that you'll find another landing spot. I think he's still has potential essential. Yeah obviously how did lash. I don't think they should even try and move away from him. I just think that if he continues to have a bad season then I don't think they should go into the twenty twenty season thinking like okay. Something's going to change. He's just going to get better I. That's where they need to bring in other competition to continually evaluating the position. Is it only because people got one year of tape on trubisky that this is happening or you know or is there a bigger issue. Let hands and I know I know his supporting cast is in the greatest as you mentioned and of course I haven't seen a ton atomic Kagame's just because they've been so painful to watch and they haven't really early bent on prime time. But you know you brought the argument like are they utilizing all these players correctly the utilizing him out of the pocket. These are well probably great questions. It would lean more on the head coach in terms of him kind of fulfilling his his role and I would have to imagine. You're playing the way that they are. They've tried everything right right like they try this they try a little of that in just just one of those years. It could be all right and I actually got. We're going to throw up a little bit the curb all got you. I got a second second opening question. I don't think we've ever done a second opening question. It's this is. This is a pretty groundbreaking episode. This happens when I give the writings over to you. You know so I was thinking this yesterday so for for most improved player in the end but first of all do they have most or in the NFL most improved player. They have comeback player. which so this is this a little bit different thing it Nashville like an injury player coming off again? Ucla Andrea so. I have a player a quarterback in mind for most improved player. I WanNa let you guess as a quarterback this year who I I I would say is the most improved player. I was thinking about this yesterday. I'm like if they had the most improved award. This is a player that I'll give it to its quarterback. I'm going to give you a chance to guess with as and I'm going to tell you if you don't get it who I think all right. Let me take a look here. At the Games from yesterday it is going to snapshot of who was playing in most improved I mean with the Mark Jackson be the obvious takeaway there. I mean yeah but I. I don't have him. I think his natural progression and his his upside is running. Ability was leading to him being this good but I think it's tough with the first year to second year. You expect them to make a big jump. I got a couple of other are solid guesses. One could be dact. No Josh Allen. No you done yet. Margo on a Jacoby. No their car. Dirk I looked at it was like really really yes yes really. For first of all six wins last. They've already masters season. Their total last year was six wins. And when you watch Oakland Antique though Okay but let me finish here when you watch Oakland Oakland. It's like they. They are not a disaster anymore. Partly because Derek Carr is just doing his role. He's not. He's not a complete like last year for example eleven. Fumbles ten interceptions this year. Five interceptions one fumble six turnovers and granted. We have six games after go. He had twenty one turnovers last last season he is going to have his best passer rating it. He's had his entire career this year. He's GonNa have his best. Completion percentage and the raiders are just. They're they're solid team. They're they're in every single game. They're in a winning record. They have a chance potentially making the playoffs with the wildcard spot. So I just think for somebody who like like a year or two ago we were thinking of like in the Mitch trubisky position. And that's kind of why I wanted to have. This is the second question a year ago. We looked at dinner. Car Is like Mitch Trubisky like Mitch Trubisky who is like Derek Carr. Light from two thousand eighteen dare car has now turned the corner and I think he's like a legit good quarterback in the NFL. So I think he's improved. Well I think he definitely qualifies more on the Comeback Player. Just because he isn't even even playing as good as he played in two thousand sixteen when it went twelve and four and the issue is the issue that I kind of have with this in general is because like he's playing to see your point very game managerial and I don't know if that's really like a most improved but most improved because he played like trash last year or replayed hurts when they went four and twelve and had new head coach and it didn't have any one on offense and they went out and got Jim Waller. It's been a big upgrade for them mm-hmm. Even though Jared Cook had a good year last year you know tyrel Williams. Obviously Josh jakup's that offensive line that they invested in Trent Brown in the off Season Assembly Assembly and etc like their team is better on offense and he is managing the game. He has zero games in the words of Jon. Gruden Z.. E. R. O.. Gangs being with over three hundred passing yards this day and age of the NFL. He also has only one game of more than two passing touchdowns in a game. So He's Alex Smith at this point. It's probably who he is and I would take that what we saw from him. Each the last two seasons so I don't know just a random thought most improved player award and there's other players but I just you know there's a dawned on me. Derek Carr is not terrible so yeah and I think I think maybe to your point a little bit is like again in two thousand sixteen. They went twelve and four and he had better statistical year than this year for sure and then he went two years. You Know Head coaching team injuries. And he was able to kind of come back slash improve however you want to call it and and basically show that he is the player that he was. I guess I mean kind of feels like that's what you you realize like. Maybe much for traffic. I think he's kind of settled into the player. That you know obviously doesn't sixteen was a a monster year. He's not going to have numbers like that but I think he's. He's I think somewhere in between that now Smith I still think he's a little better than Alex Smith. Maybe I'll tell you a player that would be move on but another player that would be in this. This conversation will be Matt Stafford. He was on pace if he would've just finished out the pace. For thirty eight touchdown passes which would have been. This has been basically up till staffer. Staffer got injured a couple weeks ago. This was staffers. Basically his career-best season or is best season since two thousand eleven back when he had Calvin Johnson by the way so but anyways So all right so yesterday was a really frustrating day of football. I called you during the house. The four o'clock games we're we're dislike kind of down the whole day and he said something like Oh this is a really annoying day or something like that and I really couldn't put my finger on what it was. I was doing like okay in a couple of my my matchup. So bad and a few My daily my handle teams were. Were tanking talk. Talk a little bit about what you like. What was it for you yesterday? That just may that's slate of games so I don't know what the word I don't know how to describe it just it's like not even not even not fun just like annoying frustrating. I don't know just maybe it was just like a compilation of items visit. Maybe resulted in it. Because like you said I couldn't really put a finger on and I don't know we're kind of in the loan category it could be like it's getting towards the end of the year two week eleven and you know in my four main leagues like I'm pretty all set in terms of record wise but there's one main one that you know. It's very competitive. I'm still wearing a dog fight. Four and I had to injuries and my starting players. So that's always annoying right. It's like it's almost. I almost feel like I'd rather have them employer do well then feel like I get cut off at the kneecaps because my player gets hurt and I lose any scenario like that. There's that there's the you know so outside of the cowboys lions game. There was literally hard to watch any of these games for the most part. And then you had the lion's bring ring out bow scarborough out of nowhere and so sometimes when these these teams do something like that and then they kind of like oboe scarborough's now running one hundred yards and they just Kepala Perkins. It just makes you feel like what. What did you think was going to happen when you cut Paul Perkins you've got an immediate upgrade? Why was he on the team in the first place and I was also in? It's really weird and kind of saying a couple of things kind of wrap it up here and let you jump in. It's kind of weird while I'm watching another another team. I was watching the Minnesota Denver game and it was literally aggravating. ME OF HOW POORLY DENVER was managing the game down the stretch like I get Brian Brian Allen. But you're up twenty two zero at halftime. Do you want to know what the record is teams at Twenty in Oh at halftime. During the regular blur season there ninety nine or they were there ninety nine and Oh and somehow Denver manage to F it up and I. I don't care if they have Brandon Allen it's still enough of a lead now vic fangio falls finds himself in the same scenario. Dan Quinn shrimps. Losing a game like that just dangling loss in super bowl up twenty eight to three or whatever it was and not only that the mismanage time at the end of the game was fourth and one they ran up. To the line of scrimmage. It was like thirty seconds left or something like that in all brain allen had to do is do a QB snake league or at least attempted QBC real quick to kind of catch them off guard the best they can because one running out of time had one time out the good QB sneak on fourth and one right around the ten yard line then call a time out and have thirty seconds. I mean they could even done stuff underneath still spiked it with enough time. Where they do do they waste like twenty seconds and then they run a bootleg? Play where Brian Allen Stays inbounds and they have to call a timeout literally. Ten seconds left on top of them screwing bring it up. I mean I'm like not even a Denver Fan and I'm getting aggravated watching the game with how poorly constructed is. Yeah Minnesota so had no business when when when in that game. They squeak by for the win at home and watching that game and also watching the Carolina game where where I was all on Carolina you their players for for daily fantasy. I Love Kyle Allen going into the game you know. Dj More Greg Olsen everybody and they get stomped out by Atlanta team that AH entered the game with only two wins. Carolina was posing as a playoff team. They want us to believe they're for real and they get blown out at home twenty nine to three aid that in the Minnesota squeaking by with a win and even Dallas probably had. No you know that game should not have been that close with driscoll as a starting quarterback for Detroit. It just made me think the that's why I hate it when people get on teams. Who Don't play a tough schedule in win? Easy Games Washington jets. And it's like yeah well you could you. At least. They're stomping out the teams that they're supposed to be you see. So many teams lose these inexplicably lose these games like Carolina loss to Atlanta INTA. So that was really frustrating Carolina. Only plant three points. The there are three quarterbacks. Can you guess the three quarterbacks that had the most pass attempts uh-huh this week going to go completely blind here but back this whole weekend. Was Jimmy Garoppolo up there. He was up there but not in the top. Three was one of them. Winston yet fifty one and then be kirk cousins or Calamari tile. Alan actually phillies fifty pass attempts in. This is another thing that really nick. foles forty seven pass attempts. You look at the ball funny. Watch these games and there's so much especially with red zone so many games on at once is a lot digest. Were we're following our FANEUIL teams are. He's long teams then the next day. It's good to look back at the scores and I'm just looking at the score. The INDIE game thirty three to thirteen. I did not realize it was that bad and and they look at the box score only eight while yeah it is just looking at it. Nick foles forty seven pass attempts. That seems a matchup like that. which should it'd be a more slowdown hard-fought you know you're so right and again like if I if I can have something an issue Denver then I probably an issue with every single game in what happens when you watch these games last week in kind to your point Jessica was in this game for quite a while and I've heard a lot of people say oh this should have given the ball to and for net more or as they were in the game? They're probably right last week with Brian. Hoyer playing Miami Frank Reich thought it was a good idea to do new four five wide. Receiver sets nonstop and have Brian where chuck and all over the field. Even know Miami couldn't score forever instead of grounding pounding the game two victory you and I had the saints in terms of like I had a lot of saints in terms of Fan. Do I had a heavy. Stacked there and Jameis Winston could not put something something together. I mean the question that you had for me a off. The air was the inconsistency here at Tampa Bay. What level of frustration you add at this point extremely frustrating because you watch every Tampa Bay game and they're they're always down or in a in a close high scoring game name? They're always throwing the ball. All I can get so he's perceptions but also for passing yards he's like Ryan Fitzpatrick when he was a Tampa Bay last year So in Mike Evans had Monster Games Gardens cooled off for a few weeks. But you also have these lowe's from Gavin's where he few weeks ago he had zero points literally zero imen- Yesterday was probably our favorite match of the day for Vandal. Right both sides hides Tampa and New Orleans and neither one of their receivers really did anything Godwin got touchdown but ended up with thirteen fantasy points. So that touchdown really helped him salvage salvage. What would have been another terrible day for him? And it's just like I never won the receivers never blow up on the same game right in number two. There's there's just Mike Evans has scary lows. And I don't know I just expected it's just a little frustrating and it's hard to really get on my Gavin's too much because he's as you know what I think he entered. This week is like a top three fantasy receiver. But I get your points a game and it's like it's like like they. They forget the ways they win like certain teenagers forget the ways that they win and I realized that defense can have a contributing role in in that scenario like in that scenario of like. Oh I can't get the ball to so and so we can't run. You know the game in this scenario but but many times uh-huh oh this is. What kind of aggravates you watch the game? And it's like guys. What are you doing like you know? How many weeks attempts to Tampa Bay have design in place for sharp Perriman or we commented several weeks ago that apparently New England call Bait for OJ Howard in Oj Howard's like no? We're keeping them like why. Why are you keeping him like have you not found out that guy is not living up and then go see this guy do a back catch catch flop thing that you know Trinidad interceptions like this is what o j Howard is? There are poorly coach team and the head of the drive where they they had the ball to one yard line. I think thank Play action they don't get it and then the second play I think they got stopped and luckily on third down I think they end up completing but but just seven ten yards away. Yeah Yeah so my last thing that knows lightly you comment on this one I think the most maybe the most frustrating most frustrating teams most frustrating offenses to watch given the town of some of the players. They have is Houston. They lost lost. Forty one to seventy yesterday and you can say it's Baltimore but New England put up a much much better fight against Baltimore than Houston did. And so that other teams like Cleveland Cio. So Houston putting up seven points. The Shawn Watson got sacked. Six Times. Didn't throw a touchdown pass. Something's off with there with their offense. That protection is not great. They don't have much of a running game and they have no one to throw the ball to die under hopkins twelve targets eighty yards receiving receiving off seven receptions. They do not have a second option and this is why and seems like says their six and four now with that loss. I'm sick of everybody talking about Houston as a potential contender. Like their cross off for me do agree. I am I over my lake. Yeah Houston's like the the kind of I don't know like count the chargers in many ways where it's like. They always like kind of look good and sometimes or they looked better on pay per per se. There's a couple of things here to your point like first of all. Houston you gotta put up a better match up. I mean you had New England who clearly can't score their our own points right now go into Baltimore on a Sunday night match up when Baltimore was on a week by preparing for New England. They still did a significantly better job not just points but just effort moving the ball. In general I mean Houston's only points came at the very end of the game on calls run Watson Failed to protect people. I I'm on the almost to a fault. I blame the quarterback on this just because look at the best quarterbacks and they can have a rotating left tackle center guard. Whoever it is New Orleans offense has been shaken up a lot? Peyton Manning's have never been doc great on and on and on in they give up two first rounders second for this left. Tackle out of Miami. Are you kidding me Houston. It's a joke of a move and to Shawn Watson continues to get sacked and hit and people want to blame the offensive line. I'm not saying it's only him. But we need to put the more the bulk of the blame when it comes to this taking a sack and a hit specifically on on the quarterback you know maybe he might not have much to do something but does it mean just James Wins. It doesn't mean you need to freak and run backwards for ten yards and get sacked. Do a better job than that and then on the flip side. I am also sick and tired of watching literally every single team and in some cases when even when New England was playing Baltimore for no one can stop the Mark Jackson right now. I mean this this train that is coming through with Baltimore. And how they've planned this offense offense. I mean they have to be Super Bowl favorites right. I think they're the number one for me in the. AFC everything thing they do. It just seems like me because there's so many things they can do. But Lamar Jackson literally makes it look easy and it's frustrating to watch as oh a competitive team someone that you don't want Baltimore to win because it's guys you want to cover this person over the top. He's like you wide open or mark. Mark Ingram literally uncovered out of the Backfield with one of the passing touchdowns. I it's almost like the the defense anything to do and I'm not saying there's any defense solve solve this solve this. Apparently kind of Cleveland. Miraculously a no team can stop it. It's crazy it's an unstoppable force at this at this point hip art. Let's let's get into some waiver players. I think this is actually an okay. Weeks weekly yeah go ahead and in hype you up here okay who want. Let's let's transition here. I know we always like to bitch and bone get a little bit off our chest. That was that was that was wanting a lot of emptying. Yeah all right. So I'll some some pretty fishy performances looking at put this list together and I'm GonNa Start by going over some players under snob buying at all you can just ignore. Don't don't read anything into what they what they did. On Sunday Brian Hill. F people having him in their fan projections. Like if you were one one person had it not gonNa site or anything like that but they were like. I'm just I was to look for ideas and one person's like Brian Hill. You know some people's not GonNa just agree with me but he's like he's diapers like if you were gonNA play Devante Freeman in the first place you should play like who was gonNA play Devante Freeman in. The first place is worse argument. I ever heard four Brian Hill. My Life I know and he had to pick them up and season-long because you never know and you you were expecting him to get a lot of touches against a pretty poor rush defense But yeah but I think there's there's some players laid out Carolina to right on top of it it's like the perfect game scrapped and there's nothing else you guys need to know so so let's start with with a couple of a few tight ends here. Roster Wylie Cameron Break Ryan Griffin. I'm not buying. into any of their Fantasy Sports Ryan Griffin twenty two points Ross dwellers. I pronounce it seventeen points. He got a touchdown. Cameron Bray big game. Well what's the WHO's the third one Cambridge Rothwell I. Well Ada San Fran backup tight end starting in replace a kettle and then Ryan Griffin Karen. Braid is just like the whole Indianapolis thing they kinda use your tight ends when they choose to use your tight ends and you also don't know which one it's going to be so completely agree you just there's no way you can run that Griffin. Didn't he have a couple of games like like. They were pretty decent right before he came back. Not too sure kind of going off memory here and yet he did have a good game. We gave against Jacksonville and then he followed up an eleven point game. He did nothing in the giants last week. so He's earning right. Yeah but I mean yeah well did. Did he get any snaps. Like I have to look into the snap. Count so her hearns so Ryan Griffin's out of the three he's you know he's the you know what the more the more I look at these three A. I don't know if I put him on my pickups but he's maybe he doesn't deserve to be in this list L. Life is you. I know you you pay a call. See if I if I make a mistake. Admit Rothwell everybody tears up Arizona. Anything there to know that you just keep targeting targeting Arizona flow chart. Yeah and Cameron Bray. I mean a big part of the big reason. Why big part of the reason why Chris Evans were so average? Yesterday was because they were going to Cameron Bray Med. To seem to me to be more of a game script type thing where they it was just like a Mea Cameron Bray Day. So I'm staying staying away from them. Any agree with Brayton dwelling. Yeah most definitely. I mean. Obviously obviously kit will be back soon later. Right so Jason Grant not paying attention to it at all for Miami eighteen fantasy points here that kick return so look turn points you and you didn't realize how got it is kick return. Just get return all right so those players. I'm staying away from which which may be obvious Gus Edwards to Unless you're a much deeper league and or are you own mark Ingram. I mean you could argue. Gus had a better game than marketing room. He had the long sixty plus yard run. which skewed things a little bit? But they're unpredictable. Abol snap counts because I look at it often with Baltimore. Just because the whole fan duel thing and you know Mark Ingram could legitimately admittedly be like a top three to five running back if they wanted him to be legitimate could Baltimore's up every single game just is pounding the ball but just split up the workload so much that he's non so for that reason you can't trust them they have. They have justed hill. Just hill right so say if someone goes down my inclination is that they would just kind of rotate in Justin Hill. A little bit more or what do it. Every other team has done this year which is go pick up bowe scarborough and go find tie Johnson and go find you. You know trade for Kenyan Drake or whatever and teams are doing that just find something to do instead of giving the workload to one person both scarborough and other player not not not reading into the tr- I'm done with teams in this kind of goes back into our venting for twenty minutes. I'm done with trying to trying to guess like like the Brian Hill situation. There's like five different running backs or Philly with like Mile Sanders and they have like three other running backs. After Jordan Howard was ruled out. Same thing with scarborough. I'm not. He's he's clearly clearly. I don't think he had a single target in the game zero catches. He's GonNa he's touchdown dependent for a team. That's not going to get made touchdowns so I am not reading into scarborough at all. I don't think he's this big revelation. I'm staying away. Not The anybody's GonNa rush to grab him. But you know. Some people are dumb when it comes to these pickups to see a running back at a touchdown he's a starter. We thought tied Johnson was going to be you know and then we thought mckissick was going to be valuable somewhat valuable neither happen so all Detroit. Yeah I mean I guess I would have to agree. I would like to look at the snap count. I mean just just in case aches for some reason. They're like okay. We don't have anything in any of these people and and I just like to see this now but the chances chances are the healing about what fourteen carries the chances are it was a mixed bag of touch all over the place because I did see Tonto on the field at one point so that that basically explains everything. Oh Wow that's that's probably the probably the best thing you could say about Johnson. You saw him on the field for a play. Well you know Detroit. It was like a we had tied Johnson J. mckissick. I don't think we have enough running back when you get a three headed monster. Let's go ahead and activate scarborough from the practice squad. which by the way? I took a look up today a day. We'll see that's from Alabama man elephant. You play for you play for Dallas last year or the year refused drafted by Dallas. He was also on to other other teams. I'm forgetting one why to Ben Africa now Denver. Maybe I forget anyway. He was only oh Seattle was one I believe he's already. He's already on his fourteen. which was kinda surprising but anyways us us? Yeah so another. Running backs bounced around this better than Sunny Michelle and retire penny that we're both taking the first first round all right. Let's get into somebody in my way re pickups hiccups here. I think there's a I think a few pretty good ones this week. Let's start with a couple of players that are must pick up this week due to injuries juries to starters. Let's start with the colts game. Jonathan Williams has got to be a pickup completely different than the Detroit situation. indie actually actually runs the ball a lot and it's pretty predictable in terms of WHO's getting the carries up to this point been Marlin. Mac has been an absolute workhorse. Heya fourteen carries and then left the game in the. Was it the first half or beginning of one of my players. I have all over the place scoring seventeen points in the first quarter then leaving them. Ek Super Exciting Jonathan Williams salutes. Pretty Okay it looks pretty decent our shifty pretty shifty. I think that might mean that they might utilize now. Hime hines a little bit more war near the red zone inside the ten and they had in the past. Maybe not right on the goal line. But hines did have a touchdown in that instance so you could see a little bit more of of him in those really nice situations near the goal line on the goal line between the five and twenty. So there's that scenario but at this at this time of the year MARLA MAC is not gonNA play Thursday and we'll see going forward but I did listen to a pod where that injury doctor was on saying that. There's a good chance of magnus back within a week. So keep that in mind. So we're really looking at like a stopgap you know in this situation for for maybe one week. They knew him hines who's WHO's own. I think in twenty nine percent leagues. He's probably available is it. Okay pick up as well if you're hurting running back. Now he's hit. Most production comes comes in the passing game. She had three catches on Sunday four catches the week before but if he's just on the field a little bit more because there's no moral Mac and they just kind kind of eats into that those touches just a little bit and maybe instead of getting a you know the three to four carries which he typically gets a game he gets like six or seven carries. He's just a little bit on the edges. There would help he minds. I think he's a solid pick up but Jonathan Williams seems like the guy you want given how India has been using running backs but again. It's always tough when like yeah. They've been using running backs when his mom knack. Maybe that's different if his junk Williams. It's tough to gauge for sure. And there there was a note join. Wilkins said that he's available to come back and Mike and I know please don't yeah Jordan. Jordan Wilkins definitely not on my pickups for the week so then the second player there's a pickup due to injury to the starter is James Washington and so crazy crazy end to the Pittsburgh Cleveland game And just crazy game. General pitcher players is dying left and right Jim Connor leaving with a shoulder injury. Juju Andy Johnson. Both had concussions given the way the NFL teams are handling concussions. Now I'm just GONNA go out on a limb and say that neither Johnson or Shuster is GonNa play this week so James Washington just by default you know by process of elimination. He has to be you. You have to pick him up. He's had some good Games in the past few weeks and they have no one. That's the ball to so James Washington's owning twenty percent of leagues go pick him up like that one I think that's a definitely a really good one that maybe most people really gonNA keep an eye on specifically this early in the week right. When when waivers are GonNa go through maybe it could be like an end of the weakening people might kind of catch catch onto who or or you know kind of see through the news of the might not be playing is still very kind of suspect if they're gonNA be playing so you're just trying to get in there before someone else does at at the end of the week when maybe an announcement comes at the energy and and and even if just one of them doesn't play he still worth he still must pick up right unless yes you're in shallow Alina League if you're in a deeply somewhat deeply even if just either Schuster ordeal Johnson's playing is one of them? He's a pickup I and I like their schedule next three weeks. You Got Cincinnati Cleveland in Arizona. Three teams you can throw all over. I Love I love Pittsburgh's in this on a side. No love Pittsburgh's defense week. Thirteen revenge game against Cleveland at home. So and then Cincinnati. And where do you. Where do you fall with Mason Rudolph? I mean I've been every time. Watch the game. I just feel like He. They are babying him. I just I almost felt like the game when they had duck stuck in whatever his name is doc. Hodges almost KINDA liked him. I'm not I'm not saying he's a better talent. But I watch the Game Mason Rudolph and it just like their babying babying him. He doesn't throw the ball downfield. Maybe it's partly him very conservative is always throwing underneath. It's it just I don't like the off. Yeah I don't know if that's going for but I just don't like and they're they're not running the Pittsburgh offense. They ran with Big Ben most certainly and probably because he can't do a lot of things the Big Ben can do and he's he's has did not have a good game on Thursday but I agree. I feel like they're running. They're not even running the Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts offense right. It's just like I feel like we know how to explain how I think their their offense is being run. But it's just so so short passes. I mean it was one game where Jaylen Samuels had fifteen catches like come on like this is the type of offense. You're literally trying to run I agree. They're they're relying too much on defense to to win them every single game and they they had a chance the win against Cleveland but he threw four interceptions. When this? What happens when you get in these scenarios where they fell behind against Miami and they're able to claw their way out of it? The partially due to Rudolph stepping up a little bit and of course their defense but as soon as they get behind a tiny bit it almost like just like a house of cards cards. Everything else just kind of falls apart. Because the way they're designing their offense becomes even more difficult in that scenario. I read a funny meam after. There's this game said likes the picture of Mason. Rudolph getting hit over the head with his his helmet by Mile myles Garrett and the memes said something like thank you had a bad day try try throwing four interceptions getting beaten with your own element. Uh All right. So let's get back on track here. Sorry so James Washington Jonathan Williams pickups and one player. Hey that I picked up last week so we. We talked last week about picking up players that are on by because people on Russian pickles players. They think okay. I'll get them next week. I'm not going to ground when they're on bikes. They can't use them so a player that grabbed it was on by is none other than Jacob Hollister for Seattle is only rostered in fifteen percent. Leagues is is coming off the bye now so no more bye weeks. And he's having back to back games with touchdown so back to back twenty point games for For HOLLISTER IS PHILADELPHIA. Decent match up and again tight end is a you know. It's not incredibly deep position. He we saw what it was doing for most of your until he got injured and then hall stepping right and it seems like Russell Wilson's using tight ends a lot more this year than he ever has. So I think Jacob Jacob Hollister sneaky pig up and he's coming off a bye so he's not coming off he's he's like a week removed from that twenty point performance. You know some people might forget about that performance and my forget about them so I think he's a good pickup and he's one that you have a reasonably good chance again. Yeah I like it a lot. You know we're going to go with this go to my trusty stat tool here on lineups dot com for my snap. Percentage Jacob pollster is playing eighty percent of the offense snaps. You know anyone playing eighty percent of the snap on a really good offense with Russell Wilson throwing the ball you want shares ears up and they played tight end so give me some of that and you're absolutely right you know. It's definitely one of those by week if you could grab them for free in the bye week instead instead of waiting so he'll still go a little bit under the radar because he didn't do anything last week and if anyone is sorting by like points scored last week. He's not gonNA show up 'cause he didn't play this week so there's a couple of advantages there that he might go not be super high on the radar but being tight end. It'd be pretty hard to miss for most people if he's still sitting there and waivers like it away. What all right in other tithing tile Rudolph what you know the game against Dallas he had was to one yard touchdown catches and you know he was having a pretty bad year and a half up until that point last season half was very very any of herbs Smith who seems to be becoming a bigger part of the offense so we weren't reading too much into that performance by Karl Rudolf another really good performance? It's against the broncos with a touchdown I think Carl Rudolph is now started. I think he's a player that at the tide position again. I mean I was in a league where I had kill. Who is injured? There's no one available I start Air Hebron I mean if you're in a situation like that I think Carl Rudolph is very very star table and worthy of pickup. Yeah I mean he's going to have his games he you know if anything he's actually playing less percentage of snaps and when he was while has increased week over week so he's been a little bit productive last couple of weeks. Earth Smith was quite productive this past week. You Know I. I don't know what the thing I just I think Dallas was scoring in the fourth. Throw the ball and they don't have Adam Phelan Elon and same thing happened here with a surprise behind the ball game against Denver there behind the had to throw the ball. They don't have atom feeling. I think that there's probably a better correlation with with those two things having to throw the ball and Adam feeling not being on the field that anything else very possible. And I think he's. He's definitely your last resort type. Hi Pick up but I think that he's better last last resort pickup. Then like maybe tyler was last week when I completely blew that prediction and and And that's why it's important to actually look at the snap counts. Because I was I you had mentioned that to me and fan do and I was like yeah. I looked at him. He's just not playing like he's not on the field enough. So he got one lucky touchdown that doesn't constitute picking him up or anything like that. That's why it's important to look at how how often these people are on the field in Minnesota goes into a buy this week right so that plays a little bit of a tricky role there as well next player I have and this is a player that I think in a lot of leagues especially deeper leagues. He's definitely worthy of pick up. I'm not completely I'm I'm not completely variant with him but I think he's a player we have to mention is to kill Harry first game for New England. You know it was a low scoring game which has been you know. A trend for New England's offense offense is struggled. I just think Nicole Harry. You're not picking them up based on anything he did. Yesterday yesterday. Buses First Game New England drafted him in the first round. And I don't know we've been saying this for a while. Oh it's like. They had they ha. They need to manufacture offense. They need to find weapons they brought into new who is also visible door. Sets clearly is what he is at the stage and they've element. WHOSE WORKHORSE I but I think Nicole? Harry is worthy pickup. You'd be lower on this list. I would I would put him behind Hollister Jonathan Williams and James Washington but he's more of a later later season play. You're picking him up stashing and hoping that maybe two or three weeks you know down. The road is going to provide some fantasy value for you in like a flex position. Type thing it's weird. I watched that whole game and I must have missed it. Kill Harry on the field and apparently so did Brady but you know I think you're right. I mean you have a first round pick. There's not too many these types of caliber players out there. He played thirty two snaps which is not not a ton but a pretty solid amount for his first game back especially considering its New England. Philip Bruce it left in the second half with a concussion. New the England needs to find things to ignite their offense as last couple of weeks so he could be part of that. You know they're going to work them in. They're they're gonNA try and utilize them in best-case scenarios he's going to be a new England wide receiver which means you know outside of outside of June Edelman Week in week out which means he'll I'll have his weeks. There's a little bit more active than others. But I think especially with his body size in us in New England and scored more touchdowns then this is is a good stab getting someone and he plays in his schedule. Outside of the Dallas was not terrible. We'll have Detroit did against Alice. But the three matchups after that are are particularly juicy for nine years Houston Casey in Cincinnati. Three three teams. That you're GONNA be able to throw. Oh all over so I like the schedule if you can afford a roster him. He's he's definitely. I think worthy of a pickup last player. I have is is up there for me in terms of put him up there with Hollister and Jonathan Williams probably one of the top three pickups and Stevo Samuel for San Fran back to back twenty point games. He's just he's starting to become a little bit more consistent. And he's he has these monster Mr Games. It's like it's borderline monster game of the season granted against Arizona. Jacoby Jimmy Garoppolo to best games. This season have been against Arizona. But I like I like Deebo Samuel. I think he's not a player that you don't you know he's worthy. Pick up at this point in the season it's Kinda crazy. How low Rosser percentage he is? Ours in his bayonet completely changing. And this is very this. This is very normal right for a rookie wide receiver to kind of get his legs underneath them. Get more involved in the offense. Is it also a surprise that he's actually been able to do a little bit better. When Emmanuel Sanders has been there too in terms of Emil? Sanders may be taking more of the primary coverage. In of course it helps that other teams can actually score against San Francisco these last couple weeks. That's always the best recipe for fantasy production action just Minnesota game. You don't think it's because Dante Paddison on double coverage Nope I don't think that's the reason. So that's it. I mean defense. I mean Pittsburgh's defense and there are only like seventy five percent leagues. They're likely not available but but I can't use them as my streaming defense. I love love. Pittsburgh's defense these next two weeks plant. Cincinnati and Cleveland at home in mobile revenge revenge game so pre not a great week for streaming defenses. The jets actually had to back to back really good Games. They play Oakland at home so very low upside given talk about their car. Not Turning the ball over this year so I don't I don't really have a streaming defense this week. It might sound crazy but is there one that you see. I can throw a couple of different options to you and tell me if you like any of these right. The New Orleans Saints Defense came to Mind Against Carolina and that was gonna be my streaming defense of the week but the Saints Saints First of all. What are your thoughts on that game? Everybody's just think Carolina's coming off a three point at home. Going into New Orleans tough defenses. Yeah I mean is it. I don't know if it's just because there's enough tape on him or not but they're on. What three four game losing skid? They're they're not playing well right now. In fact now we know also Kalaiana picking a while. They were very conservative. You know those types of teams. That doesn't doesn't always bode well when you're playing streaming defense like you want sacks and turnovers and there's been plenty of that with gallon in Carolina so absolutely I mean look look it with the saints did against Tampa Bay. WHO's a much better offense? Even though it is James Winston on the road so yeah I like it. A lot of the defenses. This is that the defense is that that are also have a higher ownership percentage have good match ups like the Ravens against the rams struggling offense love that rematch the bills at home against Denver. Gray matchup so so yeah. I got one here for you as we wrap. But it's more of a planning defense. You're not pick them up for this week. Necessarily though I'll be kind of okay playing them it's in San Fran. It's Green Bay. If you didn't want to Rosser too I would take our take. The you know the hit this week to start in the following three weeks which is giants and then at home Washington at home Chicago. The first two weeks of the playoffs. MIND BOGGLING MIND mind. Bogglingly numb awesome matchups. Green Bay packers like I love. I love if if you can afford a roster as which might be your second defense? I don't know if you're able to roster them. I love playing ahead for these especially funeral league. Where you know team defense is pretty important that we're in a league where you can get a lot of negatives with team defenses? They also have while upside so. I like it all right excellent. Well that's going to wrap up our week. Twelve fantasy football waiver wire episode. Thanks everyone for listening. Thanks so much for listening to this episode of the NFL. Talking heads fantasy football podcast. Show try saying that three times with your hosts jeff carrier and Seth Long. We'll l.. Catch you next time. Inhale wouldn't that smell better with farm-rich Mozzarella sticks in front view. Yes fine farm rich in the freezer aisle and enjoy eh in hill. Good wouldn't that smell better with farm-rich Mozzarella sticks in front of you. Yes fine farm rich in the freezer aisle and enjoy.

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You guys got that out of the way which was very important we should mention chris carter will we'll be here joining us via satellite in about an hour or so but we love having you near anyway fu manchu and all so thank you big tuesday show for you philadelphia the eagles might be the most complete team in football zeke might still be good enough to go week one but we start with a team that might shock the league. The cleveland cleveland browns though no longer the laughing stock of the n._f._l. What they seem to be as the highest rising stock baker mayfield breaking the rookie record for passing touchdowns last yes you're running back nick the breakout candidate in year two and oh yeah they added odell beckham junior baker will have a bevy of options out there will that lead to problems. Here's head coach freddie kitchens. We started talking about the number of balls. I'm not worried about that. They'll get. I mean they're good enough players. Get their balls. Also at the end of the day <hes> those guys are good enough players and if they want to take somebody totally the game let him do. We've got other players to get some of the ball. He'd get the ball. We've figured out a way to get into the boss so i think when you start doing those kind of things though you sacrifice another areas but plenty of balls jarvis's you don't get pinballs david's. You'll get plenty of balls house. Make tubs going to run a ball enough. You know i'm gonna make everybody happy so on more puerto. Leave hopefully win the game and it'll make everybody happy. That's one of those quotes where we're gonna. Come back and make reference to it if there are any issues a little bit later on nick woody. Thank you think freddie kitchens able to make everybody happy on cleveland's offense. I think your point on the quote is well taken. It's e probably didn't have to say this. This is freddie kitchen to send a few things. He probably didn't have to say rookie head coach and listen the browns. I have a coach a quarterback in the star wide receiver who are on the spectrum on the more talkative side of things so you're going to get more of these quotes but to the meat of it will he <hes> be able to actually accomplish it. I don't see why not like the how many targets do you think odell and jarvis need to be happy. One forty one fifty something like that man. That's what stealing and diggs got last year. In minnesota who i think a lot of people thought were the best duo of wide receivers football you can throw the ball to- del jarvis around one hundred fifty times over the course of the season each enjoyable david giokoo eighty to ninety times still have some throws carved out for nick job and and you still have a hundred and fifty or so baker throw the wall between five hundred fifty and six hundred times over the course of the year. I don't think this is going to be an issue because i don't think it's so much that there's man there's eight guys on the browns that are going to expect to be major contributors. It's that you've got to wide receivers. Who've i've been number ones in their career and up and coming tight end and a running back backfield by the end of the year is going to have to guys that think they can be a feature back but at the beginning of you're just nick and kanye last journey chubb got twelve carries per game. He's gonna get well more than that early in the season so i don't think this is actually going to be a problem here you when you're saying that you don't think it's going to be a problem but the reality is you can't make everybody happy every single game and that's the problem that freddie kitchens is going to have to address because because there's going to be somebody. That's going to get frustrated whether it's l. Beckham whether it's jarvis landry dick schaap somebody is going to have to sacrifice for the greater good and that becomes my primary concern for this cleveland browns team coming into this season. How is this rookie head. Coach freddie kitchens going to manage all the big personalities in that locker room all the big personalities on the offensive side of the ball you you mentioned how talkative they are. When you start talking to the media in your open and sometimes a little too honest you're going to open yourself up to a higher degree of scrutiny. I think that's exactly what the browns rounds are teetering on before the evening. Kick-off played a game so i am a little bit concerned about freddie kitchens overall ability to set the agenda for the team and get everybody to buy in throughout the course of an n._f._l. Season every team is going to have to deal with some kind of adversity and are you going to be able to keep those guys right. They're buying into what you're selling. If you're losing games that's the biggest question. I don't know freddie kitchens can do that. John dorsey has tried to set it up. We can have as much success as possible. They brought in odell beckham college wide receiver fever coach. You got steve wilson former head coach defensive coordinator so he's got some other guys that he can lean on in terms of being able to manage the guys in the locker room but it's gonna come down to freddie kisses the ability to manage the person when it comes to keeping guys happy. We're really talking about the wide receiver group. You don't very often here running back. Say i feel like i got shortchanged on kerry's occasionally that happens but i don't think that's a concern. That's where to me. The relationship between jarvis modell is so critical. These are guys that were you mentioned the college wide receivers coach. These were college teammates. Very good friends call each other best friends from before they even got to l._s._u. And they both wanted this this this duo to come together together jarvis one zero del. There odell wanted to go there so would be to me very odd. If all of a sudden there is some discontent. If in one game somebody gets sixteen eighteen targets and other guy gets eight. It also should be noted. Jarvis last year was getting twelve targets game when the browns weren't winning went down to seven game when they started winning the the second half of the year and i didn't hear any complaints from him. I didn't hear jarvis all of a sudden whining about it because jarvis and odell also already gotten paid so. I don't think this is going going to be a problem. Is there an understanding though that now that odell dell's your number one receiver and jarvis isn't does does the variants of pecking order sort of trickled down to the players and that accepted. We'll definitely does change but the fact that odell jarvis do have a prior relationship and they played together in college. You would think that you'd be able to smooth that over because the reality is when defenses go into game plan for the cleveland browns and a weekend week out basis odell beckham joined going to be the guy that you have to stop. He's the one that's going. Addictive front and coverage and jarvis landry will fall to your number two or number three option within an offense. All i'm saying is when you have those guys taken away from the opposing defense. Are they going to be satisfied even if the team does win. Are they going to be satisfied with not necessarily getting the numbers that they're accustomed to and that would if they're winning and either or any of these guys complained that would surprise me now your point that when you wouldn't surprise you it would if they're winning listen i i know dell's and i don't think think i'm biased on this but maybe i am. I believe that odell biggest issue has been a lack of winning now as far as his attitude. If you were his sideline headline antics there weren't a lot of clips of the giants up thirty five fourteen but odell has two catches for seven yards and he's throwing a fit. It's win. Its it's third and six. He was open. He doesn't get the ball they ended up punting and then he threw a fit on the sideline. I would be surprised if the browns are eight and four and the storyline is odell beckham junior or jarvis landry are upset because they're not being featured more and as far as the decided hierarchy odell was the number one receiver in college odell went higher in the draft and jarvis so dell's had a better career than jarvis jarvis understands. He is a really really good receiver. We're in this league. He's not odell beckham junior. Here's the one thing i say i mean you can't make it a given. That odell is going to be a good soldier for freddie kitchens in the cleveland browns when he's he's proven that he hasn't when he was with the new york giants i mean odell was working on his third head coach by the time they decided that the disruptions that brought to the table weren't worth the production that they were getting on the field so i mean we still have to take a wait and see approach. As far as that goes now he is probably playing with a more talented quarterback at this stage of his career and baker mayfield and he was with the new york giants. What's an ally manning but as far as cleveland browns experiment is concern. I mean there has to be some winning to support all of the things that freddie kitchen has been preaching all season long in terms. I'm trying to turn the page with the culture of the team trying to get to a stage where they're consistently competitive so i. I think that this is one of those situations. That's volatile. It can go either way. I think of this team gets off to a fast start. It will probably lend itself to these guys being able to managed a little better by the coaching staff and the hierarchy in the organization. I think that's why i've i've been a lot of people have been hesitant to go ahead and put them in the playoffs already just because i'd love to see what they do. We know what they can do on paper. I'd love to see let them win. A couple of games mixed step. Is this team being able to compete for the playoffs. They came to about as close as you can. Get being a five hundred team without being a five hundred team last year so i think now this cleveland browns teams should that'd be focused on trying to win division or get a wild card and get into the postseason. We'll see if they can get the job done but i think a lot of people would be disappointed if we get the december and the cleveland browns how did not in the conversation for the browns defense. It's very very difficult to win games before the season starts so we're going to have to wait and don't be dead. Gosh i wanna see them do well. The season starts in two days. He put them in the playoffs. Once they've won at least a game or just say this the two teams in the division. They're going to be competing with steelers and the ravens. They got a better track record of being in the postseason in the browns. Take a break coming up. Are the philadelphia eagles the most complete team in football next on to win in games. You can always check us out on the fox sports channel on sirius x._m. Didn't they would assume a whole new years ago the patriots games. I'm just curious. I don't know how it works. I don't know the worst nothing adds the excitement of watching the game quite like having a shot at a million dollar payday drafter single game showdown lineup and feel the sweat like never before it simple just drafts six players from the season opener. Stay under the salary cap. 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That's a great ball placement for the quarterback right. The only thing better than that catch was a plus nineteen coming home in eighteen you cover the nineteen who gave me on the show that money that i could've told you high school football lakeland high running back doc reggie salam looking like he's made a rubber bounces naf bouncing off would be tacklers and scores. Get off me okay. That's oh a good hold on down. What are we doing defense. I finally salema wide receiver muzo with the one handed grab back in the end. It fell by zahn making this play. That's a nice play right there. I mean that's just not a one handed. Catch for the sake of saying. It's a one handed catch italian. I was the the only way he could have pulled that one in that's awful person nice really. I didn't mean it that way. That's all right good job. Anthony we'll talk about my genealogy later potentially off the air. We're not to the eagles now with their fifty. Three man roster officially set to play washington week one we can now start nitpicking phillies talent on paper. The eagles might be the most complete team in the n._f._l. Off paper they might be the most complete team in the n._f._l. I'm not sure head coach. Doug peterson said this is the deepest roster oster he's ever had now granted. He's only heading into year four but still kenny are the eagle setup for another super bowl run on paper from a talent standpoint. Absolutely i mean we said two years ago that the reason why the eagles won the championship despite losing their starting quarterback who was playing at an m._v._p. Level was because they're big people were better than everybody else's big people well that being the offensive line and defensive line. I mean when you look at the group that he has this year. I mean you're talking about having all those guys that you had during the super bowl ron plus plus the addition of jason peters because he was dealing with an injury they had vital plan left tackle so that group is presumably better and then of course they added a first round draft pick and audrey dillard who should be swing tackle. You'll factor into the rotation defensively. They're i mean you look at their defensive line. That group is stacked derek barnett. You got josh. Would you have any curry. You have a lot of guys you're cox. Fletcher cox is a given but i mean you timmy jernigan back from the back surgery. Shawn ridgway is a rotational guy at the defensive the tackle spot so i mean you do have guys that you can roll in their fresh. Rushers can get after the quarterback so those two groups will be the strength of this team. When they won the super bowl. They had a top five scoring offense and a top five scoring defense. Their defense was first against the run. Their offense was able to convert when it got into red. Zone defense was able to get off the field and third down situations so i mean when you look at all of the things all of the metrics that would lead to war team success. The philadelphia eagles have the personnel to be able to have that that kind of that kind of unit that dominant team so i'm impressed with the group that they have wooden adding jackson to the wide receiver core. That's hopefully unlock the offense is being able to attack the defense at all three levels in the passing game so i don't think doug peterson wrong. I think they've got to go out there and actually win. The game. Listen doug peterson used the exact right word when he said the deepest roster. I went through their too deep because we now have the actual fifty three man roster cutdown day this weekend. They've got four legitimate intimate starting caliber wide receivers. They've got to legitimate starting tackles who are not starting tackles for them. Andre dillard an invite <unk> who you mentioned to me they have three viable running backs two viable tight ends. That's just on the offensive side of the ball where they could sustain the get the guaranteed injury rate in the n._f._l. N._f._l. Day could sustain that on offense better than just about any team in the league except for of course at the one position where they have been injured last couple years quarterback on defense. I think they seven high level defensive lineman seven guys that you can say with the eighth potentially being josh sweat understand was a flash player at florida state and then we'll see turns that into the pros but his combine score the spider test metric stuff is off the charts <hes> the only real concern to me other than the elephant in the room of carson winces health is that back seven of the defense not just the depth the starters would the linebacking gordon the secondary or the only question marks on this team certainly the depth of those positions but even some of the frontline players but this team has so much going for it. It's not just the depth it's not just wince getting paid paid learning seemingly from some of his leadership mistakes being the unquestioned leader of the team. It's the schedule lock and the schedule that has fallen to them. It's that they have seven games. This year against the giants washington jets bills dolphins. There's you're not gonna go seven. No in that stretch you. You probably go six one like and then. How many wins do you need in your other nine games. When you play in the n._f._c. east were two teams are rebuilding and the division you get cross conference is the a._f._c. east. Were two or three teams perpetually rebuilding that is it's not only a recipe to make the playoffs because does everyone in your division gets the a._f._c. east into recipe to get home field advantage and his greatest foles wasn't as magical as that team was a couple years ago if they're not playing in the link. I don't believe they go to the super bowl and so that is what one of the big reasons we bullish on philadelphia. They can sustain injuries. I think carson is as is in in a better position right now than he was last with foale's looking over his shoulder and you draw a division were you should at a minimum go three and one and that can be a good route twelve thousand four in the number one sitting your own division. There's questions with the cowboys right now and none of the other teams are really going to be that competitive so they'd love the zeke situation to hold out as long as possible ospel kenya's this team better than the one that that that won the super bowl well. I think they have the potential to be but they've got to go out there and play the games and that's the one thing that you have to guard against as a player you you recognize that you're putting your team together a new every season. You're not just picking. You left off last season so fourteen. That's one playoff games and consecutive years. I think there could be that that element of complacency at the beginning of the season just because they have a lot of guys that have been there and done that a lot of people think that experience works for for you in these situations but sometimes it can work against two and so i think that's the one test that doug peterson has to guard against with his young with with his veteran locker room as those guys because they you have so much experience not thinking that they can just flip a switch when they go out there and start regular season games the overall intensity that you need in order to compete and win games once we get to the regular season and that's something that the head coach has to do a good job of preaching that message to his locker room. I think that's his second biggest test behind making sure that everybody is on board with carson wentz being q._b. One coming coming into two thousand nine hundred eighty and i think their position to be definitely better than the team that was taking the field in the playoffs. The offensive line will be better. Team didn't have jason peters now they do. They of the viable backups team didn't have sean jackson that team was did not have jordan howard. I happen to think is going to be very good for them. Picking him up from from chicago in the off season they had dallas goddard but no they didn't have dallas dallas was a rookie dan zachert. They still hurts now. They have dallas qatar now the defensive of line which was the strength of that team that team had michael bennett. I understand this team does not but this team member have me. Jack's absolutely mad at jackson. You also have vinnie who was the was it. The the rookie derek barnett does go and so you have extra pieces and so i think the defensive ends of lying can be as good as it was then and by the way the super bowl year the question was the same question. I just raised back seven of the defense. How good are they played. Well in that playoff offer on so i think this team concertedly better than the philadelphia team that went on the playoff run and even mentioned obviously they're better at quarterback with wins over foles goals. The question is can they be as good as the philadelphia team that took the field the first fourteen weeks of the season that got them the number one seed that i think was a critical component bona. Maybe the most critical component to them winning the super bowl. We talked about carson wentz coming in with that chip on his shoulder to want to show philadelphia that yeah he got that money and now he's going to go and be able to stay healthy the whole season and take shelter gaza in the locker room that he's worked at money to justify it philadelphia and just real quick to your point about the uncertainty in dallas since wednesday has been in the league. They've won the division one year. The zeke was suspended six games. That's the one year dallas didn't want it now. Zeke's not suspended. He might not even miss any games but the uncertainty zia to to your point which is a great one absolutely could helps them enormously because dallas is only true viable competition in that division right. I always imagine what i do. After scoring the game winning touchdown always ends with me jumping into a big comfy bed getting the sleep. I deserve and while i'm no pro athletes going points. 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That's what it is not just because you no you wouldn't want to show up looking on television every day hot. The dog patriots wide receivers rookie to kill harry was placed on i r but he could return later in the season. The move allows the team to resign to marry his thomas canny new trust this patriots receiving core heading into week one trust them because i trust the triggerman tom brady. I know he's going to make good decisions with the football and those guys aren't. We're gonna get targets unless they're in the right place so yeah. I think i trust this receiving core. Tom brady has had to do more with less. We've seen that in the past so there's no reason to think that he won't be able to get it done with this group but this is a shame for nicole harry in an awful start torn n._f._o. Career is the second straight year by the way that patriots first round. Pick that the first player the patriots patriots have taken in the draft ended up on the i. r. isaiah win last year with a much more serious injury a torn achilles and kill hurry as you mentioned could come back but an inauspicious suspicious start for the first first round wide receiver bell checks taken in a quarter century since he was the coach of the browns. This guy was the first wide receiver took in the first round now. We're going to see him for a couple of months at a minimum are moving on the colts have agreed to a two year thirty million dollar deal with their new starting quarterback jacoby perset twenty million the end of that is guaranteed. Nick is a good deal for both sides. I think it is. I think it's a great deal for jacoby. He's never made real n._f._l. Money now he has also so. It's not an extension they rip up the two million do this year giving thirty million over the next two so why would the called stewart well it protects them in this regard if he has has an awesome season and they don't want necessarily franchise tag him and they want to leave the door at least somewhat open for andrew luck to return yet can't resign him or franchise tag agam and then also have looked comeback so now it leaves the door open for luxury turn in the year and guarantees they have their quarterback situation settled for this year and next good the deal for the colts no question i'm moving on amari cooper return to the cowboys practice field yesterday for the first time since august third douses pro bowl receiver savors been dealing with plantar fasciitis in his left heel chris canty can amari thrive of zeke's holdout continues zena being there certainly makes it a whole lot harder because last year they were working against a lot of single high looks which means one on one coverage outside of the numbers and amari cooper was big beneficiary of all of that now you're talking about defenses is that can throw too high safety looks at you makes it exponentially harder for amari cooper. This is when kellen moore and jason garrett have to earn their money the offense coordinator and the head coach. They're gonna the scheme guys open a lot more when you don't have zeke available not having zeke would certainly make it far more difficult for dak therefore more difficult for amaury one thing working in a maurice his favor as he obviously is not been the situation. Many of these cowboys have which is their entirety of their young careers have been alongside ezekiel elliott. He was in oakland where they didn't. I have a running game for some of that. Time and teams were schemed like you're talking about stopping him early in his career as productive anyway the last year and a half not so much but i think it would it would hurt dax ability to prove so much that it would by default her tomorrow's ability to produce aren't speaking of zeke and the cowboys the two signs are reportedly making in progress on an extension but with every moment that passes without a deal dallas inches closer and closer to their week one opponent the new york giants but head coach jason. Jason garrett isn't worried about zeke playing catch-up if he gets signed this week take a listen zeke is as capable as anybody. I know <hes> you know. He's an experienced player. He's been really good player for us. He knows our system of football. I don't think there'll be a lot of learning there. <hes> he's a smart guys in instinctive guy so but again that's a hypothetical. We're just focus on the guys we have right now. We're gonna go practice who can't repair the right way to play the giants all right candy. We've asked a couple. We've asked chris carter. We've asked brian weser color football players bart scott are you buying zeke. Elliot would be good to go week one. If he showed up today today the last day he'd really be able to show up before he wouldn't be able to play this week. We have to look at wednesday's practice. That's the first real practice with the install all for the regular season game plan for their opener against the new york giants so yeah. I think tomorrow would be the day if he's not into building. It would make it hard for him to be available for jason garrett on sunday but in terms of zeke being ready to go. I think he's as ready to go as a guy. The hasn't taken a hit the entire preseason can be like we know he's down in kabul training. You did the the same thing when he had that six game suspension twenty seventeen and he came back and he was a highly productive flare so i'm thinking that he could potentially be an impact player in week one. It's it's just a matter of whether or not they're going to be able to get the deal done but the one thing that you do have to watch is how is he going to react when he gets hit early contact. Is he going to be able to protect the football. I mean those are the things that you you work on clean up during the course of training camp he hadn't had that opportunity so it'll be interesting to see how impactful he can be a a what could be detriment because he missed so much time early on this summer but that will be an issue no matter when he shows up right like that the first real contact he takes is is going to be. Maybe one day of practice but there's not a lot of full contact practices. One regular season begins know whether it's week one week two week three whenever he plays his first game. That's going to be the first time he is repeatedly being taken the ground huge repeatedly having guy's trying to punch the ball out so we will see if he's on a pitch count be if the ball security which i think is a very important factor that people have brought up is an issue but i do think this thing. I think this becomes a moot point because i think this deal gets done by close of business tomorrow and it's a pivot for you right because you thought this could go into the regular but i think the two good clarification i thought reporting from charles robinson over the last ninety six hours. This makes it pretty clear. They are now down to the minutiae of the deal. They are now down to okay in. Where'd win. Does the money hit or they're they. They're dealing with things like the thirty percent rule which are too nerdy for me to get into but just it seems like they've agreed on the most important part. How much is guaranteed. How how much is your actual salary and once you're there and you're this close to the finish line that is where jason garrett who by the way is on the last year of his contract can say to the i think think can say to jerry and stephen guys we need zeke in the building by whatever date he thinks kristen said by the end of day tomorrow or by the end of day to day chris canniest. Are you saying by practice tomorrow around better twelve hour window whatever that lying is in jason garrett's mind if you're that close and if the differences between zepa deep being able to play week one and not play week one even if we just twelve to fifteen carries knocked the rust off whatever that is whatever his first game approach is going to be you want ebbs earliest possible. I now think that he gets there. I think he gets done and all. I had one other thing. I think prior to the week one game against the giants. Dan gets done as well. I get on this. Yes we do. I think it would be very very risky whatever they're offering dak prescott for him to play football game on a two million dollar salary when he is probably seventy five million guaranteed staring them in the face so i didn't dax pin quietly getting worked on behind the scenes zeke very loudly getting worked on the front of the scenes jeans. I think zeke it's done by into business tomorrow. I think that gets done before the first guy how much of a pitch county you put zeke on if he gets done within the next twelve hours. Is it really just to get him out there. So you can just sorta like nick gets invest off. Here's the thing you're gonna give him the football just because you recognize how important would player he is but also his presence on the field does a offer everybody else that's on your off necessarily have to give him the ball twenty five thirty days there he's part of the course of zeke elliott's game one of the ways that he can be a huge contributor to this team without getting the ball is his ability to pass protect. I mean that's one of the things that we don't talk about enough because ezekiel elliott is one of the best pass is protecting running backs in the national football league anytime you want to have a quarterback. That's going to be productive chances are you're going to have to have a running back. That's gonna be good in pass. Protection zeke does that and then of course you're talking about the offensive line finally being whole this is the first time where you've had tyrants myth travis frederick and zack martin altogether and healthy since the beginning of two thousand seventeen so i mean that's huge for this team moving forward this was built on the offensive line and running game and so if you have your offensive line attack and you have number twenty one in the backfield i mean your offense. This is a completely different unit. You mentioned the pass protection. I'm not gonna pretend like i scouted tony pass protection college but most roy you saw it in that rams is preseason game out in hawaii were decked. Prescott got senator dole struggle sense exactly what i was saying. I didn't want to the one place where i've seen him do it. He's done it poorly and that might not be fair air to him because he was created in college but most rookie running back struggle in that regard one of the things that was so noteworthy about zeke was even as a rookie he was a good and willing blocker impasse protection but the other point it jenner. You mentioned that the cowboys having zeke in the fold what it does for them. I think candy's point moore was the defense having to account amount for him. What it does to the looks that the rest of the cowboys offense receives even win. Zeke doesn't touch the ball. This isn't a james white. Dion lewis situation where the cowboys always one running back on the field for past place one for running place. He is a three down back so he can be out there and even if you know of your seventy offensive plays he's only going to touch the won't fifteen times he can still be out there for sixty of them if you want him to be and he can therefore forced the defense in a more favourable looks for amaury who's dealing with that planner faster even though he's back four dak prescott who we know has been up and down so i i think it does get done. I think zeke is going to ultimately win. I think we're going going to find out the zeke became the highest paid running back ever with the most guarantees ever and he's not gonna miss any games and zeke's going to show the real leverage on a team that thinks they can go to a super bowl. If you're a great player is withholding your services because there is no world that existed were zeke's deal was going to get done before tax or a maris zeke left the country and said i'll see you guys when i see you. I want my money. I think ultimately that's going to be proven out to <music> a proper leverage play unlike for instance what we're seeing in los angeles with melvin gordon next year five hundred players. We'll be down kabo. Just gotta be radio coming up. We'll patrick mahomes and the chiefs dethrone the patriots this season. They're working on it. That's next on first things first. That's one of the players that could abscond. It didn't forces teams hand next yes kabo here. I come all right patrick. Mahomes is coming off a nearly perfect year five thousand yards fifty touchdowns in an m._v._p. One little snag derail the chief season the net snag the patriots mahomes took the two losses to new england last year as a learning opportunity saying quote. You can't make mistakes against tom. Brady the and coach belichick and the patriots the way we did in both games early in the game. We obviously make things happen in the second half on both those games and gave ourselves chances to win win but if we just go in with the mindset of making adjustments even quicker making sure that you go out there with a game plan and execute it a high level just from the beginning. They're gonna keep executing so you better to nick. Take all that in. How do the kansas city chiefs get past the patriots. This might sound like the definition of insanity do the same thing again expect different results but i think you do what you did last year and expect different results because you're defensive. Personnel is a little bit better and your offensive personnel is the same plus the addition mccoll hardman and whatever you get from lasalle sean mccoy. I don't think you should pencil michelle mccoy in for elite level production out of the season last year but maybe better front back with andy reid one more season but anything from him seems a bit of a bonus to me but the chiefs offense are young great players. Young great players tend to get better as they are approaching approaching the prime of their career. I know the the assumption is we'll. Mahomes won't be as good as last year. Statistically he might not but he's certainly a better football player on september ember third two thousand nineteen then he wasn't september third twenty eighteen like he suffered no major injuries and went through a full season. He learned from all those things his quotes there are spot on on the in the patriot the two games against the patriots. The chiefs were down the first game. I think twenty four two nine at the half the second game fourteen nothing at the half in both of for those games they scored thirty one second half points against the new england patriots in both of those games patrick mahomes led to and in three fourth quarter comebacks against the patriots and in both of those games the defense could not get one critical second-half. Stop late in the game to win the game and when you add frank clark tyrone in matthew alex okafor's manual log the guy that you like a lot. The safety from euromonitor want thornton. Who again is a guy that i didn't watch a lot in college but people have liked him in the preseason. My guests is by early in the season. He's starting safety for the chiefs and you switch out defensive coordinators. Can you go from the thirty first best defense to the twenty fourth best defense vince if you can do that to me you can win the super bowl. You can beat the patriots you will beat the patriots because this is the best offense in the n._f._l. Led by right now the best quarterback in the n._f._l. Until someone takes that crown from it well listen. I think the defense i mean they have to be better. They can't be any worse than they were in two only eighteen but to me this team won't make the jump as as a team if they don't be able to be able to close out games and that's the one thing that we saw from this cheese team late in the season. So you saw their divisional match up with the chargers. They ended up losing a home game against the chargers late in the season because they couldn't close out game with lead. I think this group won't take that step until the able to find some balance with that run game and being able to replace some of the production that you got from kareem hunt not just in terms of yards but in terms of overall impact on the game being being able to keep the opposing offense on the sideline. I mean you can talk about tom. Brady and bill ballot check in china. Come up with schemes to stop them. The best defensive game plan for that for that tandem is to make sure that they're on the sidelines and they can't put up points and so if you're able to have some balance being able to have the mccoy and damian williams close out games for you controlling time of possession then. I think you'll be in better shape but i mean this is. This is a situation where the kansas city chiefs. This group should be better this. This core of players should be competing for championships. I look for them to be the team to represent the a._f._c. in the super bowl in order to do that. You're going to have to new england. I think a big part of that is making sure that you had the best overall record in the conference and being able to have that a._f._c. championship game at home which they did last year but having that kind of big game experience it's only going to help the kansas city chiefs have they move forward and sometimes you have these amazing offense of years and the next year you regress the fout the falcons the year they went to the super bowl top ten all time scoring team they regress on the following year twenty thirteen broncos. They regress some the following year especially once payton. The end of the season fell off. Oh seven pats byun kinda across them off because they regress but they also had tom brady play one quarter football that season but the ninety nine rams didn't the ninety nine rams kurt warner comes out of nowhere now different than patrick mahomes but not different in this regard. Nobody's looking at the ninety nine rams or the two thousand eighteen chief says oh that's going to be an all time offense and then the two thousand rams were i in yards and i and points in the two thousand. One rams were near the top. I think i in yards in some points again and they went back to the super bowl. Sometimes these great offenses stay great top the league offenses. I think that's what's gonna happen in kansas city. The point candy makes is also one that chris carter makes and i think it's a really interesting one. Which is how do you tell an offense score but do it more slowly because that's kind of what that's one of the things you're talking about and i think it's a good point when you're deepens. Deepens your achilles heel. If you can score obviously you want the touchdown no matter what yes but if you can do it over six and a half minutes instead of three and a half minutes it would be better. The chiefs led the n._f._l. Almost every offensive category last year except for this one where they were dead last touchdown drives of six plus minutes for the team that scored the most toxins sounds if anyone in football they had the fewest down long touchdown drives and that was one of the reasons the defense suffered so much at the bottom of league in time of possession. Yes twenty seven twenty somewhere somewhere around and i mean you do have to have some semblance of a four minute offense. If you're going to try to compete at championship caliber level like in baseball you have a closer a guy that comes in he's able to shorten the again. Get those three hours for you. High leverage situations <hes> i think in football the equivalent of that is having a running game that wouldn't opposing defense knows that you're going to run the ball all right up and be able to run the ball and move the chains and get first downs. I'm not saying that you don't want the kansas city chiefs to be a big play quick strike offense you do want that for about the first three and a half quarters but then when you get to the end of the fourth quarter being able to close out the game don't give the opposing team and opportunity possessed the opposite of what was it travis kelsey who said well. We've been the ball. We're going to pass pass. We're gonna pass kelsey came out and said he goes when you think we're gonna pass. We're gonna pass when you think we're going to run. We're probably going to pass this as well and you. You won't get the the allure of that. You got back. You have the best tight end in football. You have the most dynamic deep threaten tyreek hill. You have all these guys but your point on being the chargers game they won i down because they couldn't get it running the football and then they end up losing all right chris. Thanks so much for hanging with us today. It always coming up kamari cooper be the cowboy savior. If zeke's no-show chris carter is back with us next first things first in fact here first things first and we're joined live from florida by our our favorite hall of famer chris carter guy. Welcome back my friend good morning my people how you doing we are happy to have you joining us. We miss assu we. We're hoping you can get back. Doreen is gonna let you curse. I miss you <hes> this for this hurricane it is it's part of living in florida but i had a good vacation nations to get back to some football college football this weekend. Pro football getting started. I'm ready to go awesome all right speaking of pro football. Let's talk some cowboys always now and with ezekiel elliott's availability up in the air for week. One focus now shifts to their other weapons. One of those other weapons is amari cooper. Finally returning to the practice field yesterday for the first time since august third the pro bowl receiver has been dealing with plantar fasciitis in his left heel. He's been sidelined the entire preseason chris carter you think amari thrives if zeke's holdout continues under normal situations i think he would thrive but i think it's really going to hurt him. Anytime you have lower extremities you have feet you have cavs. Achilles knees hamstrings strings growing injuries as far as wide receivers. You have to really understand besides their hands. That's how they make their body. That's how they get off the line of scrimmage from bump up and run the physical contact. Amari has unbelievable quickness and speed so he's overall speed is going to be affected. Even though he was on the practice i just feel yesterday. I didn't think he was at a hundred percent so i probably have him on a pitch count the the first game but it's a matter of that other receiving core them vim bill not assume some of that burden of the passing game. I'm looking forward to seeing randall cobb. In this new offense we saw last year as far as michael who galloped developing on the other side as far as their speed receiver but amari. I don't believe going to be healthy for the first month of the season so i would make sure i develop up these other parts of the passing game and in talking to sanjay louder wide receiver coach he thinks it's very very important that dak and the wide receivers develop develop a deep passing game which they believe they can be much improved at since earlier in my career and believes amari could be a lot better at that and you can't be great. You bet without your top end speed so i am concerned. I think that's a really interesting way to look at this. This is less about whether zeke's their week one or week two and more about about what is going to be feeling like and therefore able to play like over the first month of the season. You've you've talked about this injury before c. Saying when you step it feels like people are digging digging needles into your feet obviously when you watch wide receivers do off-season training so much of it is quick short steps or the whether they're trying to plan at the top of the route misdirect misdirect go one way or the other and we know that dak prescott was one quarterback the first half of the year one quarterback wants amari cooper got into the fold and so i understand we just show jason witten. They have jason witten and maybe he'll be better than blake. Jar win and others were playing tight end for them. I am confident randall cobb. No matter what stage he is at his career move within beasley in tabin austin were last year last year. The cowboys wide receiver plan was a disaster but the reason that it came that it came around was because it's not just that they got amaury cooper. They got the best version of amaury cooper first year and a half two years in oakland amari mario cooper university of alabama omar cooper and so what version of amari are you going to get no matter what zeke is out there and what does that do to dak because we have seen maybe you'll be different ear four but through three years dacca's needed in order to look like anywhere close to a top ten quarterback. He's needed all of the table settings to be perfect. He's needed his full offensive line. There will now. He's going to have that this year. He's needed zeke back there. I think he'll have that by week. One almost we'll certainly have it by week too but he's also needed a high level receiver in two thousand sixteen that was dez bryant and jason witnessed different phase of each of their careers in two thousand seventeen seventeen. It was none of the above who was an whitten but he was a difference as well. Guess what dax struggled in twenty eighteen it was dak priori and post host amari. So what about this year when amari cooper is walking gingerly and doesn't give them that deep threat. Can we assume michael gallup takes that big leap what will randall cobb be. All of those things to me are legitimate concerns for the cowboys if even when zeke comes back n._f._l. Memorial sorry nick not concerned about the injury as far as the plantar fasciitis because it's really hard to practice and recover so each day is kind kind of a mission in itself to try to keep it as healthy as possible so f i have an offer on the table. Do i take that offer it because i might right not be able to duplicate the numbers that i put up in a half a season last year so for me. That's something else to watch. If i'm amari cooper and i believe that my heels giving me problems and i'm not explosives for the first month of the season do i go ahead and sign that contract offer that i already have on the table compared to rolling the dice because almost every time i had a lower extremity injury the compensation of that injury led to me injuring or hampering some other parts of my body that being calf left calf my right calf strain that being growing or hamstring so that's something else to watch as we go through the season this compensation listen this wear and tear. What does it lead to because typically. It leads to some other minor type of injury so nick. If amar's as let's see said only going to be i mean half of could be for at least a month and whenever ezekiel elliott gets in he's not gonna be one hundred percent full strength for perhaps a couple of games james. How do you gain plane with deck prescott knowing how much he needs. Both those guys so much in his. What do you put together for him at least in the early going well if i can just take half a step back back from the question. I think this is one of the reasons that the cowboys are feeling a real sense of urgency with zeke that listen or can we beat the giants in week. One without without zeke yeah probably can beat the giants in week one without zeke and with amari cooper not at one hundred percent and with the suspension on our defensive line like now okay now all of a sudden. We're really talking about two teams. Even if by the end of the season we expect the cowboys to be far far better than the giants that the beginning of the season would be close equal cool but now to directly answer your question and chris. I'm curious when you think about this. This would be an opportunity for dak to prove folks like me wrong. Oh you guys say i need all these things. We'll zeke's gonna have fifteen carries. Amari is going to be fifty percent and i'm still going to dice up the defense. I just haven't seen that from dak prescott. I think dak prescott is an excellent leader. He obviously is a tough football player and incredibly available and those are two of the most important components any quarterback can have but when it comes to precision passing being able to read the defense and go second third fourth grade even if you don't have a star or potential star like amari cooper super beating his guy one on one. That's the element of dax game. I haven't seen an zeke is either. Not there on a pitch count and amaury is limited. That's the exact version of dak prescott chris. The cowboys would be relying on yeah but one thing that we have to bake into this. He's going to get better. He might not be one of the elite elite quarterbacks that we have in the league but given the experience given how much he loves football. We've seen it with other guys. Tom brady was not an elite passion. I'm not trying to compare data back but we have to give young players opportunity to be able to grow their game for their arm to get stronger for them to get more comfortable. Dax was a different quarterback and the second half of two thousand and eighteen. We should acknowledge that and incoming back. There are a lot of question marks will be there. Will amari be there will be healthy. Will they develop another tied in but i think the bigger question is what is killing more going to do as an offensive coordinator. We don't mentioned him often but you have to understand it as offensive player. We're relying on him to get some good looks so i think that that can be underrated as a passer but i like to see all those weapons on the field compared to me trying to prove people wrong because the number one stat for the quarterback nick you know this this it's winning football games and i do believe they can win the first two games without a healthy amari in without zeke being there but all eyes on kellen moore. What is he going to do for dak prescott because i believe we will see better passing from him in one thousand nine hundred twenty and moving forward because that's what we typically see the from guys who have the type of experience that he's had his first three years just real quick before we move on. I think the more points a really important one and you're right. It's one that i have throughout this off season to be honest. Constantly overlooked to a degree which is we look at the packers for example and we say how much better the packers be because of a schematic change now. Oh that's easier to see because it had coach we saw of the eight head coach openings. This offseason thing six went to offensive guys and we expect all six of those guys to put their imprint imprint on their given teams with the cowboys. It's a little different because it's not that coach but kellen moore in theory and according to the reports out of dallas is this cowboys often is gonna look very different. The cowboys offense is going to try to be less so zeke reliant and more schematically of evolved. If you will that they they will be more new age offense like we've seen around the league that could be a really important piece is going to help guys win before the balls even snapped and put back in position to succeed see that way. That's something really interesting watching one against the giants as well all right. We're gonna take a break. Keep it in the n._f._c. on the other side are the eagles poised for another super bowl ron that is next on first things first. It's the eagles in a second but first college football louisville. Seth dawkins coming up big the nice catch. That's spectacular catch. See you know the only thing better not catching this game name louisville cover that plus nineteen. Let's give this college votes as an off-duty good star baby yeah yeah. I didn't fox bet. I wouldn't representing fox bit good this weekend and it took a couple of bolo punches start to season the lines. Stuff aren't necessarily true high school football. Oh paul lakeland high running back reggie callum tupperware chess bouncing off everything lakeland say nick you. They beat us in the state championship. We ship three years in a row. I know that's that's not to say man. This seems have been producing pros for years this kid. I don't know if he's a pro but that's a hell of a play finally salem high wide receiver anthony damasio extending for the one handed graham very nicely done like that okay the the museum. I like it salem. That's like just a little bit south of the hall of fame. They're keep catching the ball like that sun. You might have a future. I like well. You can go in the hall of fame so you can take care of my bus since you got a nice fellow. Make sure lights to the eagles now with their fifty three is this. That's what i wanted to know with their fifty. Three men roster officially set to play washington week one we can start nitpicking phillies talon alan on paper. The eagles might be the most complete team in the n._f._l. N._f._l. off paper they might just be as well head coach doug peterson said this is the deepest roster he's ever had see are the eagles setup for another super bowl run. They really are jenner. If you look at their overall playoff experience it's not like that. They just built this team through free agency. Most of this team is built organically either through the draft developing other players eight years off other teams so i like the way it's not just a hodgepodge of big personalities and names thrown together so they got good young players anytime you start start were pro football. Focus has the best offensive line the best defensive line and of course my favorite group the wide receivers the best wide receivers. That's going to be a a good football team so it's not height. There's more hype in cleveland. This is a more proven commodity. If carson wentz is better which he's gotta be in in in with that new contract then yes this philadelphia team on paper and on the football field. I believe it's a great collection of talent and potentially could be a super bowl. Champion folks in philadelphia thing. I don't like their football team but that in twenty nine thousand nine could not be further from the truth and i think that doug peterson has the exact wording here the deepest roster he's ever had and i think it might be the deepest roster in the entire n._f._l. They've got to ooh truly quality tackles that are not in their starting lineup. They've got four legitimate wide receivers. They've got three legitimate running backs tax. They have not one but two potential high level tight end. That's just on the offensive side of the ball. The only spot oddly enough that they don't have depth on offense is as the quarterback position with foale's leaving. I knew they brought in mccown but that doesn't really matter. They obviously are all laying on carson. Wentz not only playing great but playing a full sixteen game season season and defensively you mentioned the pro football focus has them with the best offensive line in the n._f._l. That might be true if you're just talking about the starters and it's certainly certainly drew if you're talking about the full rotation of depth they have seven potentially eight depending on what you get from josh sweat high level defensive lineman on this roster fletcher electric shocks is probably the least talked about great great player we have in this league before his career diary with he's should win defensive player of the year at some point he he kind of is unlucky that he's playing in the exact same era as what donald two guys who played interior d. line and just dominated the only question mark i have see and and it didn't bite them two years ago. It bit a bit last year but last year was more about injury is the back seven of the defense the linebacking core in the secondary. I don't think has the depth and i don't think has the front level players. Everywhere else on the team looks as good as it's ever looked in philadelphia. How much of a hindrance do you think that back back seven could be for philadelphia. Well nick you're right on but in the modern salary cap era we have to get used to having one one or two units that are not going to be up to par with the rest of the team but if you also typically it's going to be where you spent resources so if you look at their roster where they've drafted high where they have spent resources either with their younger players are with free agency so that's also a position that has the least amount of dollars so for me. It's not can they be great. I need their secondary to be around the middle of the pack but what's more important is can you create turnovers because turnovers gives that offense extra possessions and you don't need to be an elite defense if you can do that and the other thing is big plays down the field will will they make teams golden distance eight ten twelve play drives because if you don't give up big plays over the top which young secondaries have have a tendency to do so those areas that i'm looking at. They don't have to be great. They don't have a lot of draft capital in that secondary so can they create turnovers and not give up big big plays. It leads to align back in court. I believe we'll be much improved in the defensive front. That is the best we'll see. We don't often talk about general managers but you should and how he rose because he's been able to put together such a deep roster at so many different positions may be except one position. You want to see a little dip. That is a quarterback because you don't know what you really get hopefully a whole whole season with carson wentz but a lot of people are gonna wanna compare what they have this here to what they had when they won the super bowl just a few years ago. There are a lot of same pieces there. Which team do you like better <music>. I chris. I certainly like this team better than the one that went into the playoffs the year they won the super bowl the core better. Jason peters is they're. They're not dealing with the litany of injuries that team had that made them true underdogs now. Will this team better be better than the team that you had the first fourteen weeks of the season that got them homefield field advantage that i think was the most critical piece of them winning the super bowl but i i think the way for this team to bet on the superbowl team is the guy we're seeing right there number eleven carson carson wentz and you said something i think really important chris which is that he got paid this off season and obviously that's important for him and his family and security but on the field the reason it matters is is he's not looking over his shoulder in any way shape or form. Now foles is gone. He's locked in yeah. He got the money. There were those articles that came out at the end of last season about him. According to grow as a leader he seemed to acknowledge those and even if he thought they were somewhat unfair acknowledged. There are things i need to do. We should see the best version of carson wentz we've ever seen which is saying a lot considering in year two. He was on pace to being the m._v._p. This leak. I think you're making valid points as far ars him. I think his comfort level will be there. I think that anytime young player in your unproven and they have someone behind you that either the fans like was a high draft pick or something as far as someone like nick foles who had the magic carpet ride in that playoff you do have anxiety regardless of how much confident you think you might have in those moments when you're by yourself. You're like man. I wish everyone believed in me like the way they believe in nick foles so i do do believe this team would be that team because of the quarterback. Also you have to realize their fan base jenner. You know a lot about the philadelphia fan base it. It was one of those fan bases that always thought something tragic was going to happen now. They have their first championship so for me. It's easy for that fan base. Get behind this football team and nick. You mentioned it before if they can get home field advantage. Who do you think's going to come into the link geno nick and build a beat those philadelphia eagles so i think it's a combination of things i believe the two thousand nineteen version because if you look at the overall experience not only of the front office end up the head coach. I believe that they're better set for run than they were two years ago when they upset new england with that great super bowl win and the homefield advantage part is so critical and this is where since you're not here you can't snaps the schedule away from me. I can go through it quickly. They have to lucky breaks on their schedule c. One the is shared by the entire division. Which is the n._f._c. This year plays the a._f._c. so you've got the bills the dolphins and the jets on your schedule but the other part of their schedule that i think bodes really well for a team to be hot going into the playoffs is their final month of football is miami giants washington to dallas giants again so aside from that home game against dallas in that final live games. You should be playing three games against rookie. Quarterback's one game against the dolphins were restarting rose ner fitzpatrick and then a home game against the cowboys even if they don't start great even if they're six and five they could reel off five five straight me. One of the hottest teams going into the playoffs with those five games to end the year. I think that works incredibly in their favorite team that thinks i we're just trying to make the playoffs. You want the soft part of your schedule early so you can get off to a good start of the season. If you're a team. That's trying to win a championship having those games late so you can go into the playoffs hot. I think is a huge edge. The scheduled to me to my i felt very favorably for them this year and if dallas is not amari cooper and zeke is slow going in the first first couple of games then they could really take control the n._f._c. Someone must have fed that scheduled thing to you because typically n._f._l. Players we don't look at that schedule. We do look at the opposition but nick you make a great point. As far as who were their opposition how many teams they have rebounded. They're going to get the meat of their schedule early and if they can get off to a great start you're talking about having one of those special special type years in home field advantage in n._f._c. It becomes important horton because nick you've been talking about. The n._f._c. is stacked and philadelphia if they can get through those first two months of the season they are set up because of the schedule washington washington is rebuilding. The giants are doing giant type of things that a._f._c. East the dolphins all my the dolphins are doing an n._b._a. There tankan when you're trying to lie to buffalo they will be improved but they're not going to win more than six games so it's set up for them. The jets will be a tough match up but it is set for them to be able to accumulate double digits and potentially nick if you can get thirteen wins bro which is hard to do man you. Can you talk about a special special season man that greece up those up the polls in philadelphia because people be climbing them nick. I don't think you should go back to a game no there i think the people might not think people because my love for the sixers i think people were coming around me so that he brotherly love their big nick right fans these days and we gotta take a break coming up. Would it be a big mistake for the cowboys to russia's zeke elliott back for week one. That's next on first things. You see took a little shot. I don't donahue fed. That made me nothing. See a you need to get over share to time now for us to go viral n._f._l. M._v._p. Patty mahomes teamed up with a k. c. Area athletic store to introduce the pat mahomes homes wig headband nylon headband features mahomes signature blonde and brown curls so we fake years. It's figure hose can do yeah people are buying these are being sold at hi vis which is like price chopper piggly-wiggly just regular supermarket. That was the first place that ever employed me teen years old customer service. Is that why we gotta go on these four absolute. Look at those first carter would did you like i think you would look great. One of those hats right there. Patty mahomes headband hair the whole nine. I love it. I love shot is frozen because he's not very impressive. You're absolutely right that this law does not bedrick mahomes. You're a hundred percent. Correct shows frozen time for stories to start your morning more more kneeing cowboys v._p. Stephen jones with dak prescott agent over the weekend to discuss thus contract negotiations. There were no details discussed so nick will deal get done along with zeke's any day now. I actually think it will. I think that we're gonna find out that while zeke has been front and center of these contract negotiations that quietly they have been making major progress with dak prescott. I think it would be the type of gamble. I cannot remember a player taking in recent n._f._l. History for a guy. That was a fourth round pick. Who's never made real n._f._l. Money saying i will play for two million dollars this year with no dollars guaranteed into my future whatsoever however instead of taking whatever the cowboys last best offer is so while i think zeke will get done in the next. Call it thirty six hours. I think jack gets it's done before they kick off sunday. How could take the field when he's got seventy five million dollars so offered to him guaranteed as opposed to even if he's trying to get that up to eighty five so i think they do get it done with regardless even if zeke sin. You're not gonna see one hundred percent zeke this weekend correct. I do not think you will okay. Let's talk patriots wide receiver rookie nick. He'll harry was placed on i._r._a. Allowing for the team to resign to marry his thomas nick you trust this patriots. Receiving core had an into week one well. I think that the nicole harry injury and him being on i._r._a.'s brutal for the patriots in this regard. They did something they've never done. Spellcheck spin their take receiver in the first round and now they're not going to see him for at least two months of the season. It's the second straight year. Their first first pick of the first round goes on. I r last year's isaiah win loss for the whole season this year nicole harry loss for part of the season at least now when they cut marius we thought he might be coming back that proved out to be the case the the hinge player for the patrons. Even core is going to be josh gordon win. Josh gordon is out there i do do this can be a dynamic receiving core elements and excellent slot seaver. We know how good gordon was last year with the pats. But how long will he be out there. How many games games it's tough to rely on jobs. Gordon in any large capacity feels like it's tough to rely on that whole receiving core right now in any capacity with the injury and then of course with josh gordon's availability. I will take a break much more first things first right after this back here with chris canty eh. How do you show your quarterback. He's your franchise. You protect him. The texas learned that the hard way last year resulting in a beaten up to shawn watson watson coming off a season where where his sixty two sacks led the league so when houston traded for former first round pick laremy tunsil to be their new left tackle saturday priorities wore in order pro football focus says tons tunsil trade has put pressure on watson to win right now. Nick start with you. Do you agree with that puts more for scrutiny on the team more scrutiny on the texans and it removes what wouldn't have been an excuse but a totally valid explanation if to show him watson at sub par season season which is the man was running for his life once again but the pressure to me is less on the quarterback and more on the coach g._m. Young king in houston houston bill o'brien. I mean filled that power void entirely himself and by the way we've seen this play out in n._f._l. History before what i'm surprised more people haven't given us this example when al davis passed away. Hugh jackson was in place in oakland and the power void created by i al davis is passing. Hugh jackson gobbled that all up and then did something we see a lot of coaches do coaches when they also have g._m. Power when they know man if i don't win this year i'm going to be out here. You see it in the n._b._a. Happened a lot. I think you saw when hugh traded a first and second for carson palmer. What the the texans did here with bill o'brien. The owner passes away. The sun takes over bill o'brien. They ousted the former g._m. Brian and all of a sudden he knows ios man. If we don't win this year i could be gone so the hell do. I care about future picks so let's trade laremy tunsil. He got in a power struggle with cloudy that he lost so the texans. My friend colin coward made the point and he's right but i don't think it's the whole story which is the texans are of course better this year than otherwise because this year those draft picks they would not use this year because their future draft picks <hes> but the price they paid was enormous and yeah puts pressure on everyone in the organization innovation. I do think in the short-term chris. It makes to show him watson better. Laremy tunsil will make the entire offensive line better but the cost was just so enormous enormous that i think to show watson will benefit from it in twenty one thousand nine hundred and pay the price for it maybe in two thousand twenty two and twenty twenty three when the team is less talented around it. You're hoping hoping is that the shawn watson will be able to mitigate those deficiencies that you're going to have in other areas of your team because you don't have that draft capital now. Give it up two first round draft picks and a second round pick. That's a steep price to pay but when you look at what happened in your division with the indianapolis colts in health especially early with andrew luck which led to his early retirement you recognize is okay. It's important to make sure that we protect our franchise quarterback. You can't have the shawn watson taking a bus to a road game because he can't fly with the team due to a partially collapsed lung. I mean getting <unk> sexy two times. That's not sustainable so i think that bill o'brien made the right decision in terms of addressing an area of need you just don't like the price that he paid but that's the problem when you had that inherent conflict between the general manager's responsibilities and the head coaching responsibilities head coaches trying to win for today the general manager's manager's responsibility is make sure that you have sustainability and you can win tomorrow but because bill o'brien is on the hottie he's going to mortgage the future of the franchise with the draft picks in order to give himself the best opportunity to have success but the fact that they did address that area of need with this move and some of the moves that they made in the off season you you have to feel good about the texans especially with andrew luck retiring in the a._f._c. south. I mean they clearly have the best quarterback within that division. If you had the best quarterback that's going to be. That's gonna lend itself to you having a really good chance to win division without question the best quarterback in the division. They have the best wide receiver in the division. Some people think the best wide receiver and all of football but i don't. I don't think the texans got dramatically better than they were last season. They got better in one spot left tackle. They got worse on the defensive side of the ball. You get worse when you lose. She'd have a cloud. Yes people can say all. You didn't live up to the hype number one overall pick. They got worse. They they lost tyrone matthew iran matthew. Some people say he's not the all pro. Throw that he wants was early in his career with arizona ever since he blew out his knee. He's silly valuable good defensive player and for the texans this season i this is my issue with any team. It was my issue with the giants even if i don't agree with your philosophy. Do you have a philosophy. Someone explained to me. The texans saying we think think because andrew luck retired we can win right now. We can go to the super bowl or the a._f._c. Championship game franchise never been the a._f._c. championship game. Get further than we've ever gone and oh yeah by the way we'll give away cloudy for twenty cents on the dollar. He wasn't gonna sit out the year. No he couldn't sit out the season he was going to play for for you and you gave up on him and so i just think on one side of the aisle they are saying are will get rid of cloudy even if it's just for a third round pick because it's is not just about this year on the other side of the they're saying we're not going to the texans will have one first round pick for four years once this laremy tunsil title trade is finally paid out and by the way the pick they made was this year a tackle who they love so much. They just traded to more picks to get a tackle to play over him. It just just organizationally it does not make sense to me. No it doesn't make sense very we haven't seen that. Bill o'brien can prove that he's a head coach in this league. Let alone being a talent evaluator and and decision maker and that's essentially his role because he's also the g._m. Down in houston so i just for me it's it's clunky the way the organization is going about their business. I mean a <hes> part of this responsibility falls on callum mcnair in terms of setting the hierarchy within the organization. I don't think he's done a great job and so now it's a matter of okay is is this going to play out the way that bill o. rien visions with his team being able to make a run at some point over the course of the next several years but in looking at how this team is built. I think you have to recognize that. This was a team that was led by their defense in years past but they're transitioning to a team whose identity is going to be on the offensive side of the ball because you do have a quarterback that most would agree is probably top ten to twelve quarterback in the national football. I've a question we started this conversation talking about that offensive line and i don't know whether you think it was dramatically improved or not how much of this has also placed onto shawn watson. He holds onto the ball a long time some of that the line can't do anything about. I don't enough one left. Tackle is going to make the line much better but i think bill o'brien has to address that as well well you have to have somebody that you feel comfortable with lining up and one on one pass protection situations because you can't can't double team everybody across the defensive front and i think learning tons of gives you that flexibility. You can slide the line to the opposite side. You can help out some of those guys on the right side of your offense offensive line. No one tunsil can light up against your premiums premier edge players and hold his own so i think that that is a huge benefit for the shah watching but the other part of it is what are you going to see from the running game or is he going to have some balance on the opposite side of the ball. They lost pro bowl running back lamar miller tours a._c._l. In dallas cowboys season game but they did make the moved to bring over carlos high and do johnson so we'll see if those two guys by committee are going to be able to replace the production that you've got miller but it has to be a much more balanced offense in order to alleviate pressure from the watson but i mean this. It's not for lack of trying. They've tried to put the pieces in place so shot at success and i do think this team is the team to beat in the a._f._c. south. It's just a matter of how much high level winning are they going to do. That's the one that i don't have an answer to because. I have a question mark with the head coaching spot thank you for. You're listening to the first things first podcast. Remember leave us a review and tell us what you think. Subscribe to the podcast on apple podcasts and catch us on f s one monday through friday six thirty a._m. Eastern for chris carter nick right on jenna wolfe so on everybody.

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Brady + Edelman, Zion's career, Odell's Giants?, Chargers extension?

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Brady + Edelman, Zion's career, Odell's Giants?, Chargers extension?

"Good morning everyone and welcome to first things first. I'm General Fettes Hall of Fame Chris Carter this right. Here's Nick Right. We thought ourselves as scheduled got. Where's Eric Mangini engine to order fifty six N._F._l.? Games plays its regular season their own gritted outright here that means officially football season feel great exciting this year get more than six games right okay. Oh you know what I don't lots check. I'M GONNA make a list before the season starts at Knicks worst picks. Let's keep a prediction book dusty. Get on it. Go Addiction Book Ogen. We had a great show today. Let's talk some lady on bell now. He said quite a busy stretch catch away from football. He skipped the entire twenty eighteen season and some of the jets voluntary team activities this summer and the bulk of his social media videos this summer included jet skiing music recording and basketball well that has left many fans is questioning his devotion to the one thing they haven't seen him do on the Graham football. La Belle took major exception to this take a listen. I'm tired of kids. Aw You only WanNa make basketball. He do everything besides playing football at least on to the also told me that I'm GonNa your favorite person here at the Mom Dad. We're really on awesome. I work at target when they work from nine to five. They go home in already doing worry about themselves. They were of I will serial numbers coming up. No you think Brandi Waking Up. Oh Taco Tuesdays Grouping Day. You'll be singing all day she would act to do nothing. Were Kids Billy. She's waiting singing. So nothing is legitimate. We did this all you. I will be in the airport on escalator one of this working out so I'm for your bra now down escalator. That's all I like. This is all this two billion running down escalator. I'm guessing that's why I gotta do the normal civilian running running working out not eating talking. I gotTa tell you as someone who covered New York sports for thirteen years. I'm worried about him with the New York media if he's already having that reaction to just social media. It's going to be tough New York. See what what was your reaction to everything. You just heard that little tirade. I wish I had the time back that I don't know why as one of the best running backs that you would care what people are saying as far as they don't what they're talking about like. You're an expert in one field right. That's why the jets are paying that amount of money. I don't see why you'd be upset but I I'm a lot different. I just don't understand people's opinion. Specially people do that. Don't mean anything in the real world and that's what I'm twitter would like what twitter really mean Chris Carter Your Oh Really O.. M. So I just I don't get it. I don't get it when you're that type of good at playing the game of football. I don't expect him to be like the normal players to have a bunch of just football videos out there. He should have other things that he's involved in now as far as him getting back in the shape because people question what was his overall. We're all wait when he was <hes> when he's holding out there with the Pittsburgh steelers yes I can understand why people would have questions about that but he is a great great football player and I said this when he signed with the jets. Let's not forget how good he was playing. He's gotten a a lot of criticism. You can talk about his rap career. Believe believe if he can wrap or not and everything to me. That's trivial. Here's a great football player. The jets are getting a great football player and if they're going to make it to the playoffs and bill to knock New England off the perch church there and A._F._C.. He's GonNa have a lot to do with it so to me. I don't care what kind of videos he post but I do have one thing you're not Lebron and you're definitely not beyond say I would grabbed a few other compare. He went to two extremes. He was like the the guy who works at target or two of the most famous people in the entire words. He's somewhere in the middle before I get my opinion on this while you were talking on occurred to me for guys when football players get outta shape in the off season and this is not lady on bill but brings to the point it annoys you unlike almost anything else because what is your job in your schedule in the off season you gotta wake up whenever right and then what are you gotta do work for how long however long probably three hours would be the maximum three fifteen running everything if you're trying to do some other sports specific three hours would be the maximum in. You're not doing that more than five days so the reason I bring that up is if you are doing everything and you workout warrior. You would say you need to be doing. The off-season leaves you about thirteen hours a day to do other things. You'll be shocked at amount of time. Professional athletes have right. If you don't have to have a family he's not married. If you don't have any kids it's you would be shocked at the Mount of time they have on their hands bill do whatever they which is why when guys don't work out or get out of shape it annoys you so much because like what are you gotTa. Do you got two to three hours a day and the rest of the days yours and salons gonNA leave his life on social media's a lot of young people do and so he's going to document it but this is the thing that I just and I feel like an old man saying this and I'm not but man stop reading your mentioned. I went to his instagram. I know exactly what happened because I went to the instagram from the post before this and he was posted there was a video of him. It looked like he was on a movie set and you scroll an ice scroll through the comments because I tried to figure out what set him off. He's walking through the the airport on his phone reading his comments and someone was like why are you shooting movies. Shouldn't you be working out. He's got dog it. This random steeler fan seventy eight almost show you and so we record this video man you do not have to care what these people say I am. I have a little bit of fame and notoriety and the level of vitriol and my mentioned is off the charts. If you're legitimately famous like Levy on bell the it's one of the reasons I think you stay off it. You've been legitimately shortly famous for thirty five years and you can't be worried about what these strangers say. I know it's hard but you put yourself out and you can't put yourself out there and then react the and then you're not a puppet on a string. You're giving these people what they want. Nicholas is the way it is now with society in Sports. This is what the conversation we had all season long with Kevin Durant because he's to word. This is the bulk of what that article was with O._B.. We'll be Jay which we will talk about their so concerned concerned with with what everyone else thinks. I don't know if it's a level of insecurity that you don't have Chris or that athletes back then didn't have or that you don't have but you're both in the minority. You don't have to be you don't have to but it is so I don't think you take for granted the fact that you're so so good and not being phased by what people write about you. It is hard for a lot of people to know that they're stuffing confidence in yourself well then three of the best athletes that we're talking about. Don't have those three but no no Kevin Durant. It's totally different you're. You're not right about that. These three separate issues L. Bell went off this the first time he's going off like that so trying to put him in the Kevin Durant category with the with the burner accounts and everything Kevin Durant. He was basically fighting doc about his decision. It's not about him playing basketball. Are you good or not. People were good. I mean that's what it was about. That's what Kevin Kevin Durant old people didn't say I can play Basketball O._B.. Jay is typically trying to defend a certain in thing because he takes instagram everywhere he goes so these are all separate. This is what I'm not going to do because I played an era. I'm not going to be as if I don't understand. I do understand people apple did criticise me. I was kicked out of the League. I was suspended. I was kicked out of college. I've had people say the most awful things to me so it's not as if I'm removed by age no it's that I have decided when I leave. He just build now. Go down the street. People yell at me. <hes> the greatest receive wherever you know something. I know they're not telling the truth so just like when they give me a compliment. I don't accept it when people say negative things. I don't accept it. You know the reason why because because I know me a right and that's beyond age that's beyond social media. I know myself I made myself into something right these people on twitter. They're trying to accomplish things in life. L. Bell has accomplished things. Kevin Durant has accomplish things. Oh B._J.. has accomplish things so why would you get into an argument with over something that you're an expert and in you. Did you mentioned three athletes that we know L.. Well I would say this is the first time but Odell Kevin Durant definitely having gauged multiple times but there's also the people he mentioned Lebron clapback people beyond say doesn't and I would say the majority of people don't because the majority Jordy I believe of pro- professional athletes understand that like with any job there are pros and cons. There are an enormous amount of perks to being a pro athlete like I would argue not the same burks with a lot of perks this type of job. One of the cons is you are much more likely to have the a stranger. Tell you you suck then the guy who's selling you a car or works at home. Depot or is an investment banker like no matter the pros and cons of all of it you it is naive to you think you can be in American twenty nineteen or in nineteen ninety nine or any. You're a really it's just the different medium famous and not if people try to pull you back and if you are not my advice would simply be if you you do not have the ability because I didn't have it for some time if you do not have the ability to ignore it then put yourself out there less yeah you can't stop the guys Shelton at you at the street but you can decide to not post on the Internet you can side it did not have a document or running diary of your life but if you're going to your setting yourself up to failure if you're going to document everything you say and then expect to have on two percent approval rating Jimmy you post the nicest most either a noxious were loveable things on instagram and I would imagine you still have people of course of course and if that if that kills you then I would say stop doing it because there's you're not there's too many people out there and too many too many people jealous of bell or jealous of of people that are doing what they want to do for a living and I don't want to. 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Don't be surprised that who some Grenadine over the is. I like it extra extra sweets on a lot of maybe I would think nanosecond that we don't be on in some mountain dew is she and then of course the chairs careful body turn sold no sugar month of July back about it was about to say more sugar than you'll have into my drink a choice after I stopped drinking alcohol Shirley Temple until the last year and my wife was like listening human cigarettes but I'm a Shirley temple expert. You can't use the mountain dew too much caffeine going to give you too much charged no ginger Ale. If you'RE GONNA make a real Shirley got to be Ginger Ale and you Puerto Grenadine last or else it sinks to the bottom yeah. That's the best way that was that was too many that was too much grenadine right. It's like to injury for one part Grenadine but you've got to do a production. No so you gotta you gotta up a little bit. As far as mountain dew goes I know skips a big fan of the Diet Mountain Dew Mountain Dew Code Red. Is the top five all-time soft drink. I don't drink it anymore. Mountain Dew co-driver new code reds an all time top five soft drink. I will debate anyone. I have a list of that as well here. We go ever drank a mountain dew. Now do no but okay so around then. How do you know because I read a ton mountaineering literature a lot of Black Cherry the mountain dew digest? This has been rough two great star the stores star morning. It looks like there will be a Dunkin reunion this season the spurs announced Tim Duncan will serve as an assistant coach under Gregg Popovich Dunkin played for the Spurs for nine thousand nine seasons. He won five entitles the to nick you like this move. I love it and I love POPs quote on this even more which is an all-time great sports quote. It's only fitting that after is served loyally for nineteen years is Tim Dunkin's assistant that he returned the favor favor. I don't know if Dunkin's go where suit tavern game. I don't know that I can remember five times and Tim Dunkin's life. I've seen him in a suit but he is you almost never see players of his caliber all of a sudden becoming assistant coaches in this league. I think it's awesome some of the Spurs. I think it's awesome for pop for me. I love to see former players coaching the wealth of knowledge he have about the game on and off the court what he could do for younger players and Potman pop hire some assistance. Hi Becky Hammond Yeah couple years ago I one to do that now. Brings Duncan back to me. I'm not really surprised by this little his nickname the big fundamental who wouldn't want to coach name the big fundamental should be awesome really excited. It's all right back to the N._F._l.. Now some tough news for Melvin Gordon is he looks for a new deal reports that he and the chargers are far apart on an extension seeing think they get a deal done soon no charges in love with Melvin Gordon not as much Melvin Gordon. They love them. They don't the chargers have other priorities. This is a risky call here. When you decide to <hes> you know I'm going to hold out because the chargers for a number of years not the first time they've done this? They not easy to get that coin from so good luck Melvin Gordon and chargers tough negotiate right when they draft you first round picks year guarantees everything I mean even a guy is offsets in the contract. They own bow said to fight him about that like so. I don't think this is an organization or an ownership family. That's eager to pay this position where really any position early and because of funny things in the C._v._A.. Melvin Gordon could cost himself an enormous amount of money even if he shows up for the regular season just by missing training camp and those preseason games I count man just don't play. I wonder if he ends up blinking on this one financially. It might be an as best interests because I don't think he's GonNa win. This battle wills are to the cowboys now Ezekiel Elliott reportedly has not firmly decided whether or not he'll hold out camp against Friday and the cowboys have a lot of people to pay nick. What would Ezek hold out main for quarterback Dak Prescott? I guess it would be an opportunity for deck to prove a lot of people wrong. Z. Cold Out would be bad news for the cowboys the cowboys I have my trusty scheduled right here. They opened their season with three very winnable games home for the giants at Washington home for Miami. A fully Elton Cowboys team will be favored and all those games in good position to go three you know without Zeke. It's much more questionable so yeah wouldn't be good for Dak wouldn't be good for the team last year. Jenna when the cowboys one time possession people won't give Z. Credit but those who know football no Zeke is responsible for that when they win time possession they were eight note when their defense days off the field and plays short it in thirty minutes or quicker more explosive and get to the quarterback make more plays on the football so Manzi. This is going to be a tough one now. This is going to be a tough one. I don't believe that Zeke is going to go training. Camp are finally some bad news for depleted Patriots receive in toward Julian Edelman will reportedly Miss Multiple Week's training camp with a thumb injury Chris. What would the Patriots Patriots receiving core look like without Gronk and now without Julian element for a while? I don't even know like I got. I got the most amount of faith in sports I- appropriate that the bill belichick like no other coach like no other organization but I I don't know what they're going to do like I don't know what they're going to do week number one because they can't afford with Bronx retirement element or primary slot receiver fever. They don't have a deep threat down the field. They don't have a guy that's a proven commodity to build a throw the ball to five to eight times a game man listen. This is going to be a running game dink and dunk like that's all they can do. They gotTA protect. Tom Brady does he turned forty what to this. Oh my goodness they gotta protect him and when groppy and gone eshelman his favorite target. I don't know what they're going to do it. I mean this would be some of the best work that the Patriots Josh mcdaniels I've ever done if they pulled this. This skilled group together one year ago today. If we were talking about the Patriots receiving core we would have been saying man. This is one the least talented groups Brady's had in the last decade and that was with Gronk still on the team and with Edelman he was facing a four-game suspension with Ataman. We knew he was coming back into the fold right now without Julian Edelman they have Nicole Nicole Harry. WHO's the first round pick but we don't know how difficult it is for receiver? He's going to be a possession receiver from Arizona state not a speed Guy Right. He's going to be a guy not getting a whole bunch. I separation a big body typically bigger than what they've had. There are New England for a long time and anyone that drafts receiver in the first round drafts them for what they will be not what they are. They're rookie year. There are very few Anquan Boldin in this league that come in their rookie or their instantly really good. There's Philip Door set who wants to on time was the first round pick nick and made I think to significant plays that come to mind for me last year for the Patriots down the field host him from the time US fourteen at a time he was eighteen Saint Thomas Acquaintance he went on University of Miami has not lived up to that first round billing bear with the Colts Holt in he is a number four yeah. He's not even a number three any I mean he's kind of special teamer to a degree and then you go down to marry his Thomas. They picked him up. He's on the public to start Camp Sony Michelle who'd be a big part of that running game. He's on the PUP. Let's start camp is a guy who's always seemed to have some type of lingering the issue. We don't know if that's going to along eight and again. eshelman might be healthy by this sort of the year but if they were to miss him it would be they already might be without element in the bottom five as far as talent in the receiver room without gentleman. What are you become you instantly become without question? The least accomplished group of past catchers anyone has in the entire N._F._l.. What did you say about? There's even core last year a year ago at this time major questions about how did the Patriots do less won the Super Bowl so my point is the whole thing we talk about what the Patriots is next man up. Don't don't shouldn't we have even though you know Brady's turning what but I don't know the next guy that isn't that the sort of the point that it's the system over the individual guys. Isn't that what we've been to a degree and then you're in overtime against the chiefs and on three straight third downs you go to Rob Gronkowski. Else game and then you need a huge in the rule and you go to Rob Gronkowski like the Yes. I don't think anyone at the table would be saying well. That'll men miss the season Patriots six and ten here we come but you do need reliable liable people in the biggest of spots and you can't just I mean you can't all of a sudden just start cutting off body parts and say the guys always going to be okay. Eventually you're not and so no I wouldn't be writing them off and I'm not writing the reason why people people had plenty of doubts about the first two months of the season there was plenty of res. The funniest doubts about them going to Kansas City the reason why because they're not that explosive so yes I can sit here and explain the system. Everyone knows that you've been doing it for twenty years but who's is going to be the next guy and to me. I think it's important that I get since of concern to the public. I started off by saying there's no coach I believe in more than Bill Belichick in unconcerned. I'm a Patriots Fan. I like crap. I like the way they do. Unconcerned football fan should know that I let's move onto Odell Beckham now in a G. Q.. Cover story that came out yesterday Beckham revealed among other things that he had grown so unhappy with football while with the New York giants that he considered retirement retirement two years ago he also talked about his emotional state upon hearing he'd been traded to Cleveland saying. I felt disrespected like after everything I've done for them. This is me being honest. This team has not been good for the last six years. I felt disrespected because I felt like I was a main reason keeping that brand alive they were getting prime time games still as a five and eleven team why because people want to see the show you want to see me play Chris. What was your action to what Odell had to say when you five and eleven during the whole bunch of a show all right when you're not a football team maybe some other leagues and everything you go to Major League baseball no matter what the Angels Do? I'm going to see Mike Trout. That's not the case in N._F._l.. People Wanna go see a winner. There's the reason why Larry Fitzgerald for a number of years why he not complained about the organization complained about not winning in Arizona this two different leagues League everyone plays in and the one that the winners playing and those are the ones. You can't just just because you're in prime time think you're responsible for that. Oh they'll get a grip on yourself. This is the New York football giants they have earned reputation through how they have put gear after years ten years tenure increments. They'RE GONNA put a team on the field how they treat their players all right. That's all a part of the New York football giants brand not you haven't won since you've been there anyone no playoff game there. What did you do for the giants? You didn't enhance the brand for the giants and to think that you did no come on Odell like there's a there's a level of immaturity in his statements that I would have thought at this point he would have been beyond. He left himself because of his conduct. That's why they traded him. He was responsible for them trading him him with his wondering I saying certain things about the New York. Are you happy with the giants. You signed the contract extension. I don't know those types of things that get you traded so you should assume some responsibility for you not being with the New York football giants and you talk behind the scenes of you not being with the giants you wanting to play with the rams. You want to go New England. Yeah we had those discussions you told me and then they traded you now. You're upset when you were talking about getting traded before. Come on Odell. Make make up your mind. I was surprised by parts of this interview just like I was surprised by because I did similar conversations when right after Odell got traded and I reached out to him he seemed he didn't seem happy. He didn't immediately. He didn't immediately seem like relieved or happy and it was surprising because you told me at the Super Bowl that he said I think they're going betray me that Zoe seemed emotionally prepared for it and we knew a year prior that he'd been much like how Kevin Durant spin described. He's a bit of a seeker looking for what's next looking for is the grass greener there they are and I understand the frustration of playing with the giants and feeling like man i. I'm the most talented guy on the team and as Bill James says bad teams have a bad habit of blaming their best players for their biggest problems. I'm I'm sure they'll felt some of that now. Some of those problems were of his doing but on the field no one can question his production is any of the bad playoff game and he admits that article he had a really bad playoff game. He's not the biggest reason they lost that playoff game but he's certainly could've helped but aside from that individual individual moment he's been exemplary on the field as far as his production. You can say the conduct on the sideline the celebrations whatever it is but these are two different buckets and what Odell even at this age doesn't seem to fully click in for him. Is that sometimes even if you think you're being honest. There is no win in the honesty. Maybe there should be but there isn't we talked with Eli Manning comments. When is Eli part of the problem whereas Eli part for the future whatever it was I remember his answer? I don't know and that was you could be honest. When you're in business for yourself but your team sports he made a choice to be team sports and when you're in team sports you have to say certain things so no being honest is not the right thing well and so in this? He didn't do anything that undercut his current team but he did do in talking about the giants he asked him because he's not a dumb guy that this is going to be that the takeaway persona people from the article in in this interview he and I thought some incredibly evolved and really smart comments when he was asked about his sexuality in a way that I've never heard a pro football player talk an active superstar pro football player but those are going to be lost in the wash because he took shots at the giants. He took shots at his former team and it's just not in his interest the best interest for him. Even if you do have things you want to say is to say honestly what I'm the giants happened. There had some good times bad at times. I'm so excited for this year in Cleveland just just to remove that from the discussion he does not for all good traits. He does not seem to have the capability at this point to bite his tongue even when it would help him and that listen if you're going to anyone's right to live the way they want but he's got no that is going to cause this type of discussion which I think he wants to avoid right. I think what he wants is clean fresh start football wise and otherwise and every time you take a step backwards into your former self. We're used to be where you had issues. I think that you're one step back from where you WANNA be all right. Let's take a break coming up. We'll Zeke and the cowboys get a deal done before training camp starts that is still ahead on I I I we're joined by hall of Famer to Time Champ Chen Fast Mill Yankees record against Michael or bird or any of them fools man Zeke's in the building. You know what this is. Let me hear anytime Nick Acts Up. We're going to bring Isaiah into correct on him down a little the talks yesterday on and off. The air made me reevaluate some of the things I I'm trying to put together is Ahah threatening you meant the worst part is of his brothers threatening and his mom who toting a gun yes she she believed in.

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Week 6 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Mike the Tatman

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Week 6 Studs & Stinkers + Weekly Rewind, Mike the Tatman

"Unloaded the newest episode of the Spit Ballers podcast our side Pot our side hustle where we just have a good time we we go through ridiculous scenarios we hey what's going on everybody hope you had a good Sunday luck it's Monday morning and for a lot of the people in the know that means you've already down Jerod Barf yeah or just different jared Jared Goff my team it was not ladies and gentlemen welcome to the podcast be ban well go to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you Terry Christmas O or maybe a Terry Digs Mus yes yes smiles sanders Melvin snore a boost of having a good time shake away those Monday blues checkout the spitballs podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts my best buddy in the business Jason Moore it is so nice to know that if things happen I don't have to Ooh that's bad well man Noah can't they brought the fire this week Jason Yeah and I would say that nine hundred ten Christina Auction Dot Com studios with your hose Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Migrate Host like your you know there's comfort here being like you'd better be prepared Mike and I gotta be prepared now what you don't realize about that is no I don't oh excellent this is going to be fantastic so I just say hey brooks hit the record button let's do a show you don't leave the Brown in the bowl we go the violence or matic control we got pooped in his big boy pants Cooper Cup half empty Oh yeah welcome if it's Brown flush it down Oh very sophisticated of his games welcome in one and all to the fantasy football podcast it is Monday oh my goodness Jason do you know what we do on Monday I think we goodness gracious need some odor eaters on that Guy Unlimited industrial supply for that welcome to the show if you are listening the the big beautiful bear is here J. Grizz holding down missing his Chicago bears this week I'm sorry Jay Chris they will be back then on the social media and they let us know by twisting one's name whether they had a positive or a negative effect on their fantasy football team let's see if we can it is I don't blame poo poo here at all but is a good name we got Oh we gotta combat because we gotta marry digs miss and then good for Jared Goff wow that I mean we're going to talk about the stinkers of the week here yes hey we will get into it but Z podcast I'm your host for the moment your host for the week Mike Dependency man right joined as always by isn't a long term injury and also be fine James Connor running back for the Pittsburgh steelers he suffered a quad injury in the fourth quarter he missed some time weekly Rewind I the Injury News Amari Cooper was diagnosed yesterday with a look we're we're putting out cool content on the Graham can follow that instagram dot com slash fantasy footballers quad watching that it was painful the Seahawks oh goodness the seahawks believe they believe that will Disney and you know this is similar to the Todd Gurley situation but thankfully it's not structural there's no problems limiting him from tomorrow we'll be talking waivers but just a sneak preview to me I don't think James Connor out by Bennie Snell he might be my number one priority grab her have a little bit of funday prepare to get sophisticated Leon it's Monday Monday's we reach out to the foot a week because James Connor now has missed time in a game because of an injury he returned but three separate injuries already for James Fibers says a source which can be horribly painful and knocked him out of the game everything you're hearing about is just how much pain he's in and loaded any falls to the ground this is really unfortunate situation for a guy who had already come back from about it was a catastrophic injury as you can for you WanNa follow the personals our twitter handles or also our I g handles I am at F F Hitman Jason is at Jason F F L. The podcast if you need some last-second help is the fantasy footballers dot com and you get extra things are like perfect example this ticking time clock is a clock well but it no not all clocks tick Jason Okay Alright digital digital clocks are fine but I'm going to point that out there's also analogs honor feels like we're on a ticking time clock where it's just a matter of time before Connors GonNa miss some games yeah I think the phrase you're looking for is a ticking time bomb yeah to the park and you want to see the beautiful people of this show you can follow us on Youtube at YouTube dot com slash the fantasy footballers follow us on the I g if he indeed has an Achilles tear he does I mean this is such an easy injury to diagnose they knew it right off the bat that means he's going to be out for the season has torn his left Achilles tendon if you if you watch the play it is a non contact injury he goes down just turns around and like his his leg exp ask who did what yes lids how about Jared Goff that's a pretty solid one dinah go pick up hunter Henry you know you don't WanNa miss very fair well if there's nothing else jails get right into the rewind and is a terrible injury to come back from similar to the Patella injury he had that being said it gives you a little bit of I mean I feel so bad for the man but again he comes back next year and is involved he's still I mean he was he's still a young guy and I'll do this for you jason because clearly it's the last time we're going to be able to do this talks that are silent I do think that James Connor could have came back in the game you saw him dancing around inside lined up by so much and that play though last week we didn't get into Hunter Henry Hunter Henry news was coming out very late into the week but it was you know we're all over that on social selling people hey Brian if you're struggling for the team's not concerned don't believe it serious not a long term issue Chris Thompson left with a foot injury goodness that guy and then Ian rapoport career wind and news it's brought to you by the sleeper APP don't miss a single piece of fantasy football breaking news download the free APP today speaking of sleeper people you got Terry McLaren you've got a Hollywood Brown you have all these rookies breaking out and the number one guy going in with Tom Brady is if you can pick them up and stash them for free why not Marcus Mariota was benched for Ryan Tannehill in the third quarter something to monitor speaking of being benched we could still remember remember the big Montana as you want to Josh Rosen was also benched for fits magic and they almost won that game they did almost win but however Josh Rosen is still the starter well yeah because they almost one even down to the kitchen touchdowns ou- remember mazzy ones was not currently is for you an afterthought is forgotten are you I mean it's too early to me to pick him up and any kind of a redraft league and in dynasty already have him unless you have an I. R. Spot Onto Anna Keep being big keeping Montana strong my man recovery we wish you well brought speaking who just came back from tearing his Achilles Broncos wide out confidence in the future people are asking you hold onto will Disney and dynasty yes I mean assuming you're in a thirty man roster tight ends or gross if you have an empty spot right now okay putting them on there but if he's coming back in practicing then he's not going to be eligible well he still will be for a while is my point and you can here on out this week you are mike the top man I accept this week's fantasy stud muffins couple will sanders he hurt his knee and he did not finish the game it appears like it's not all that serious but they're heading into a short week next week to Shawn Watson continues to dominate for Fantasy Football Russell Cuyler Mary he was my start of the week three hundred and four that Tim Timmy as I call you Jimmy of the I'm the I'm the tap man Yeah Mike the tap man yeah take that take your moniker game like Oh we're going back to Josh. Josh Rosen is our starter moving forward that was a little scary we almost won the and also who Smith dumpster it's ackson running like like a beast yet again one hundred fifty two on the ground with rushing touchdown he gets Seattle Murray ended up as a top five quarterback at the end of the year. Yeah he does end up as top five quarterback now we're being a little bit skewed here from the Falcons matchups nick he was okay look when you when you call for a start of the week for a player like Matt Ryan you're already GonNa Start it's because you're saying Matt Ryan has a of excellent starts of the week the quarterback position Matthew Ryan Jason's started the we receiver for the New England Patriots for those of uninitiated rookie his he was the number one pick and rookie drafts. Yo yes and we've totally forgot exists I mean not passing yards for Kyle Mary three touchdowns as well this time he did it through the air on the ground he was only eleven thirty two it's a nice little baseline to have those game since he hasn't been thrown any nineteen but I look if they can figure out some of the red zone issues and convert field goals in touchdowns he's going to be a month confirms that Nicole Harry is expected to resume practicing this week it's this this world of fantasy football we live in Jason's very funny because when Akil Hairy high probability of ending of as the number one guy and he did well I mean there are still game tonight so if Aaron Rodgers without want to retire thirty rushing yards where are you season-long for Kyle Murray Jason are He gets the giants I xe week is the quarterback seven on the season is talking about of course he's not going to overtake Matt Ryan Considering that Matt Ryan threw for over three hundred fifty yards and four touchdowns I do not believe anyone's going to get close Lamar jazz because New England and Jacksonville are on the docket yes I catch your sarcasm and was laid on very thick however after these alumini sanders I think you're feeling poor on any sanders based on fantasy production over the last couple of weeks you add in a bum knee short week is not great but you know but we beat him we beat him down into the ground so if there's not anything else Jason we'll get into the stunned muffins do you have anything else to add for the notes now I just the only thing I would add is that from next to match ups against New England Jacksonville which are death and I don't WanNa play Sam darnold there's five games in a row or the New York jets I believe they played the dolphins mm-hmm him in three weeks so in in about two Jason How many weeks am I allowed when I say he's about to he's about to I would say you've got that whole week buffer not always gonna be this good but this is a guy who has already basically a top ten quarterback while not throwing touchdowns you remember early in the season we were talking about some of the the Vegas should've had four touchdowns also having great weeks at the quarterback position Brady winds and spleen darnold spleen with is extra yeah I had him down for thirty eight hundred currently he is on pace for forty four hundred thirty seven yards as a rookie issue has been touchdowns even with the three touchdown mister it's GonNa be tough when it's our home team so we got we got say it like it is coward Kingsbury some of that was play called TMZ Connor dominated seven receptions seventy eight receiving yards and receiving touchdown also had a rushing touchdown Nick Chub continues his dominance week he was the running back one unless Aaron Jones or Kerryon Johnson can overtake or the the bye week is coming at a great time for James Connor to recover but with G. asking for updates on the super bowl league we are in with Juju Smith Schuster we dominated again happy to report beat tim the tap man eat it tim twice in that span they have my attention the jets are about to go on a a tear at least fantasy purpose not about to but you're saying they're going Ellen Samuels hurts it was the James Connor show in Devon hodges being highly allergic to throwing the ball more than ten yards down the field on a buying about to get Kareem Hunt back based on the fact that he's been awesome or the probably not because he's been awesome a move I might be willing to make would be owner would you be willing to sell him right now they're going on the by so maybe you are you willing to probably not sell while he's thank you at the running back position Jane's Connor who to he had an excellent game as my started weeks for nick job when he gets the blooming the learning Kareem Hunt Are you if you're a knick Chubb Nick Chubb for Levian Bell I've mentioned the jets upcoming schedule it's I'm telling you it is really juicy especially for Levy imbalan- Robbie Wani attempts over hundred twenty yards on the ground added and a few receptions yards weren't great but that P P R bump now what happens here in a couple of padding over his allegedly recovered spleen first game back no title match yeah the tough match-up and scoop them up immediately away unless you get a wonderful trade offer that you then you know like let's say just hypothetically the five yard line now you gotta kick you gotTa take the points that's booger would say oh thank you booger McFarland no you've got plenty of time to take a shot at the end zone cuyler this is our career and fantasy football we are not above making a good old fashioned mistake now again oh Masaaki or two crops and I think fans will had a prop on cuyler Mary's rookie passing urgent thirty one hundred yards and we're like oh my goodness you gotta you gotTa go over on that on fourth down that that dude needs to forget fourth-down when we were on third down there seven seconds left we're on Anderson so if you're going to pivot to bell who I think is about to go on a real tear for fantasy purposes and you get him next so the week after next you could say he's about to it's not now but it's about to I apologize I didn't know the rules about two it's all right make the tap man Listener League so they're listening so then Sunday morning rolls around I go to double check roster make sure everything's good and I'm like Duke John The yeah you need not accept trade on the toilet okay do a little bit more digging so I traded away left Peletier maclaurin for Duke Johnson arms while the balls falling down to the ground David Johnson absolutely incredible touchdown reception devante Freeman got it done as you figure very few running backs could make an NFL. I don't know how many wide receivers would be I mean there's a still frame of the defender draped all over him arm over his rand because Davis had himself a game not necessarily efficient on the ground would against Arizona on the ground and two receiving touchdowns it says it's the first time he's been over one hundred scrimmage yards since week fourteen of two thousand seventeen zonal do this for you and let me just say this would be a real nice welcome back treat for Saquon Barkley if he could get back this week and face Arizona and be like earns pretty awesome Terry McLaren's awesome and gough was awful this week but in general you take the David Johnson and you know this was when David Johnson you weren't come this way now let me just ask this question for the foot clan if you were offered us you send away this this last week you and Evan Ingram my goodness if you can sell devante Freeman high off of this performance are you doing that or are you buying in that he's he's getting utilized cards I mean this last week twenty eight carries Paul Pollard encroachment on his touch is not real over the last doc about dookie situation Mike The tat man Oh what an idiot you are that look I gotta stay true to me the office of line for Atlanta they suck and yes he was still fine against Arizona but you know that's that's more on Arizona it coming up here you got Zeke had a solid game he's quietly running back seven on the season are you disappointed with Zeke so far Jason because to me it feels like he has rams you've got SEATTLE you know a a bye week the saints who are great against the run no I'm selling high if I can just don't necessarily believe you can week it's not a great mansion but bell is safe for volume I've been saying for the last couple of weeks that lead Belle was great by candidate he's a guy that you don't want to trade miles sanders is more interesting to me I know it was only three targets this week but it seems like he will inherit that role Corey Clement all the judge and yes in little tiny text it says the team name but I I was I was not on the toilet so quickly a poop super away for David Johnson and Cooper Cup another I mean look maybe maybe they clearly an upgrade even though maybe turn Carson had a great game Christian McCaffrey came through on the studs list with a line of twenty two carries a gave Oh if Christian McCaffrey has twenty two carries rushing touchdown and five of six games could see a higher target volume if Amari Cooper with his thigh bruise is very very painful vibrant hurts so much owned by this week a couple honorable mentions miles sanders getting it done through the air it was only three targets but three for eighty six touchdown with Darren sproles out listen I don't remember having Duke Johns One win did I pick him up what did I do because the train comes in as d thirty four with a score but six for sixty eight through the air doing David Johnson things whether touchdown touchdown he has the running back five on the season I just touch him but a touchdown so going to miss some time so that really cluttered backfield is down to Jordan Howard of miles sanders if sanders is going to get the passing work very interesting Carlos Hyde Oh oh my oh where he got a full wwe body slam the Oh not that when I'm talking to one that he got the injury on I literally hurt the packers I can forgive him against the saints who have a good defense but I mean honestly he could be a buy low to me I still see as a as an absolute top three back as he he feels like he's out of that top three right now it seems like he's real solid who should be a top five guy but top three really in the cards for top threes in the astound four for twenty six with a receiving touchdown. Unfortunately if you've been riding the Christian McCaffrey train as the Carolina Panthers have he's I If I could sell him hi I wanNA touches I still don't buy into Devante Freeman recipes and the one thing that I could see I was at the game the the he was GonNa play this week the right back concerns well I was made that offer I accepted that offer they'll nitrate early thank you nice and then this is I would say it's probably both I would lay I would ask my dentist and my dentist tells me three weeks Pollard has not really been involved twenty carries for one hundred years you were really disappointing the previous two weeks especially the one hundred and eighteen shop him around everywhere you can cause not only do not give the dolphins but now you get the niners that shutdown Malcolm Brown title carries I would say that it's a low guess I'm trying to be conservative but you are actually over by about one hundred twenty to thirty one did have the rushing so in a score Leonard Flirt for net has been great for fantasy whom he has he's he's still not that efficient twenty carries seventy two yards but the they look the Texans were able to somewhat duplicate the blueprint by the colds I didn't think they'd be able to do it but here we are twenty six over a Honda and you could possibly imagine and they will deliver you a new brush at every three months for clean bristles right on schedule you don't have to worry about no nasty toothbrush don't think about equip receiver studs WanNa thank our sponsors quip Jason what actually makes better toothbrushes at industrial strength power multiple modes is of India in two weeks yes I to me as three weeks in about two okay I find three weeks but I stand by my reference I will stream the Minnesota Vikings the buffalo bills and then a bi you're getting even drop Adrian Peterson Miami witness so yeah so trade him before we move into the guests the yardage you can okay twenty two carries probably breaks two or three let's carry the 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U. I. P. Dot Com Slash Football. You get your first refill free I mean quick-draw was right there Mike this is more of an aberration like we knew this was would be a good game you can't run against the Eagles and they wanna run seven for a hundred and sixty seven yards of your work and you checked out digs but I what I what I was saying is I want to believe that this is not this is so high not something that you can necessarily just completely time friends but I wanna make sure that the foot clan uses pristine auction knows exactly what they can do I I've got a list of some things here that sold on Pristine auction yesterday I mean yeah I I think digs is certainly bouncing back and we had Terry maclaurin scary Terry maclaurin the F. One he was pointing the aft- things like Kitchen Items and best movie snacks and we just have a really really good time so whether you need a pick me up on Monday morning or you just need that little extra right there when I needed head quick-draw Adra quick-draw quit trial press those teams quick-draw Quip Stars just twenty five dollars walked like after his bombs he hurt their team he caused one of the one of the interceptions then he had an awful drop it's like what you just did more as ceiling games as you hoped for but those wheel becoming he gets the Bengals and Adrian Peterson had a fine game him up. You're very happy you'll get your first refill free at get quip dot com slash footballers this is a simple way to support the show and start brushing better amy dolphins he was my start of the week four receptors only four four hundred zero and two touchdowns if you played your very very happy Terry maclaurin has the fourth most receiving yards through his first five games of his career only behind Anquan Boldin Randy Moss and and the affirmation what was I loved it yeah bring back but Tyreek Hill we're we're ready by the way yes MTV Rocky need who are every pass catching option from this week had to face them then Minnesota in Minnesota and possibly following that with the number one toughest run but it won't work correct this plan will of running Adrian Peterson against San Francisco Minnesota Buffalo it will not work yeah but snatch up for wide receivers in buffalo and then a bi week like you can capitalize scary bring a lot right now and I'm worried about his next month at this point scary Terry is a I love him he is dominant he's been doing it in tough match ups right he had a great game against Chicago that's all eighty two I mean he was he had the I think the fourth fewer snaps at the wide receiver position the other guys were playing a lot like Damarcus Robinson but this is against the Miami Dolphins this is a team that wants to run the ball almost to their detriment now yes they won but if anything that gives them confidence to keep trying aim but fantasy owners will take it tyreek hill welcome back oh he's the free five for eighty two scores on ten targets ten targets on limited play and McColl Hartman they just didn't do anything because as soon as tyreek hill was in that's who Patrick Mahomes went to your did rock and Jock was that the one that had okay on Terri maclaurin but I am I would be looking to trade him now if you do make sure you read the full first name of the player coming in not just the sell high if you can really capitalize off the net don't sell to sell to capitalize seldom shop shop and if you can get a hall for him whose names that you just brought up are what I want I mean the San Francisco Defense looks as legit as it gets talked to Cooper Cup and Robert Woods and the hoop like yeah the bonus points twenty twenty feet high you're talking about the old school mtv show where it was celebrities versus athletes wacky rules dude that was awesome then that's great I mean you look at these guys and go okay Scary Terry for the Redskins with case keenum is he going to end Chris. Godwin twelve targets turned into ten receptions and one hundred fifty one yards he did have a little bit of that a little bit that stinky garbage there at the end of the sixty touchdowns of course not but that's his pace which means the absence of those touchdowns would becoming if it's not just very important celebrities super important celebrities I'm great a basketball I'll break your winkles I'd rather do this softball oh I've never swung a bat in my life you see indeed Johnson like an idiot just I don't think there's a lot of team Lauren's and in the League no I'm talking about who you get back four taller and mine already with T. Maclaurin prestone though he's been a yardage beast he's never been under fifty yards in his career he's look he's great I love him that's why I'm saying sell high not just get rid of them in good but that is when Jay Gruden was running the offense you just said it four targets he'll four receptors all Kevin targets for reception targets is okay have you know I'm I'm concerned about it but he's really really good so I'm going to continue to play him adjusting my expectations I don't mind Chris Swung a bat I mean I would crush it I'd be so good but I just haven't done it yet I believe I'd be awesome we need to take you to the batting cage another video coming every other player when down with gravity and he stayed up there it was crazy Curtis Samuel Jason Sort of started the we oh my sort of hey my point was tyreek hill can dunk on that twenty foot hoop oh for your way he went up for that first touchdown just levitated while on Jeffrey he ended up with ten for seventy six and a touchdown a very solid fantasy day every target seemed to be going his because that's what happened my secondary started the week the regression hit four for seventy with a with a score through the air and we rushing touchdown but we will take it or he was ends I don't know why you guys are so out on L. Sean he's a target machine I wasn't out on Al Sean did I despair him or something let's just say he's my he was my Fan Duel yes he was bollards on a budget pick my kool aid man started the week which was mocked relentlessly on this show heard touchdown we'll do that you will show up what's he like I talked about for the jets I'm very in on Robbie Anderson after these next two games what sucks about out this is now that he hit you can't wait to get him off the waiver wire people will go after him so if you're going to stash him for these upcoming schedule you're GonNa if you stuck with it towards the end you miss the debut or if you if you didn't stick with it you miss the debut of our good friend you might know him but we have some audio what's giving you the kit bodied make the tap man you're right thank you if you're watching the Sunday night football game at the yeah we can check the rooks half Brooks's laughing because he knows I'm right welcome back Robbie Anderson five for one twenty five and a score a ninety two year last night that'd be probably a lot of you when I don't think anyone was watching the Monday night football game last night oh that's a good point because that was Sunday night football oh then I'll never forget my first reception from my good friend Phillip Lip we call him it was a it was yeah I didn't stop there I got another tire another reception so the fact that we were watching all the games the game together last night our editor have to do it reminder that Gold Tate will somehow good against the New England patriots and he gets Arizona there was I don't know who who was watching the Monday night football game absolutely gorgeous lips rivers slips forever and I mean I told them put me in I'm ready I go in and look fell and your twitter measure exploded I don't think I've ever had as many like within one minute there was probably fifty or sixty congratulations on my first reception and I just WanNa say it meant a lot a lot thank you that was a big moment for me for in chief Kyle the Borgen made the trip to the F. 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Headquarters were watching the game a fellow named Jason more catches the past assuming a redraft league not not a not a keeper Dynasty League then that's a situation where your record says you have to win now Odell Beckham now showed his one hundred twelve receptions almost thirteen hundred yards and eight touchdowns he's not going to keep oh my goodness I mean affected eight for one seventeen with a touchdown awesome uber is crushing he is crushing the dreams of all fantasy opponents he's on pays for it makes the catch little behind us we had a full Danny gotten out in front and so more makes his first career cat exaggerations are you where he's got the big name is coming off a good game and if you need victories now you got a bye week followed by the Patriots two weeks after that Buffalo George Kiddo we finally hit one hundred yards he gets to take on Washington next week and then Mark Andrews defying his injury status coming through with big games eight Austin Hooper's going away he's leveled up he's a core part of this offense it's bizarre when you watch Calvin Ridley how often he's coming off the field even though he's also medias and he did not respond well maybe he didn't like the nickname so he was revolting rebellion of some sorts he was bad and prepare your nostrils stinkers of the week presented by odor eaters towns wide receiver they this is the team they want so Intel Dan Quinn it's fired which might be in about thirty seconds yeah until there's a change at the certainly revolting he was he was putrid I you know I had to go back and watch the game because I was I was at a big part of the offense moving forward to the detriment of those Austin Echo dump offs he was looking Downfield for Hunter Henry Austin Hooper dominated as right five interceptions was horrific but golf was worse because he didn't do anything to help himself if Jason can do nothing and yet still receive adoration for it that's on brand that's one of the best things in Your Life Evans Julian Edelman and Odell Beckham had Sawed Games coaching position for Atlanta. I think you have to assume you're going to get more of the same for hooper just not so easy because they don't get the players own anymore this year targets hit six for ninety nine he did have a fumble but you are still happy with him over all with the Good Jason comes the focusing on the run because A. J. Green out John Ross has been out so if you're a defender going up against the bengals you just have to stop clearly the stats have not caught up but I mean I don't remember a word like here's the deal in real life Jameis Winston had just as bad again they are all garf- jere where one we we had the one year Garfa bursary recently on six Joe Mixon has been stuffed on over twenty eight percent of his rushing attempts that's the highest in league the League average is eighteen point six he is ten points higher assert look he's the real deal with this crappy office of line for Atlanta they they are using him he's running so many routes Oda Beckham could score on anybody. 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Weekly Rewind 11/18 - 11/22

First Things First

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Weekly Rewind 11/18 - 11/22

"Tom Brady and Carson wentz facing off for the first time member. Nick foles in that Super Bowl. Fifty two after a flat first-half second half saw this Brady to Julian Edelman Edelman to Philip door. Set Door set for the touchdown on fifteen yards. They needed some trickery but they got it seventeen ten pats just over a minute. Left in the game was fourth and ten Patriots Territory Carson Wentz looking gene for Nelson Aguilar but he drops the crucial pass one last chance for the eagles whence is just going to heave. It launches the hail. Mary sorry it will drop incomplete patriots. Hold on to clinch their nineteen th straight winning season. This wasn't an easy win for them but it was still a win. The it was such a frustrating game for the fans to watch. You can only imagine how it must have been for. Tom Brady could not get anything going. How good are the Patriots Nick? The Patriots Defense continues to be the single best unit in football better than Lamar Jackson. Lead Ravens offense better than the niners defense pick. Pick your favorite better than the chiefs with a healthy Patrick mahomes offense. The Patriots Defense is the single best unit in football and showed it again yesterday after there there were some questions approaching. Well they were so unbelievable through eight weeks but then they played a real quarterback and Lamar the ravens were so successful. Is this deepens deepens. Just really good or is it one of the best defense as we've seen the last decade. No it's the latter not the former they they they allowed one sustained drive arrived. Ninety five yard drive which was some like the longest drive the Patriots have allowed in almost a decade. Hasn't been co cartoonish numbers like the nineteen th straight winning season right. Nobody in football's balls streak longer than seven except the Patriots were nineteen. The defense is as good as advertised and it has to be because the reason brady is so frustrated is because he knew going into this game the offense had to get it going. They had one touchdown in the game and it was throw it was also the best ball thrown all game and it was the wide receiver out of the eight eternal. And so it is. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable pardon me. It's understandable. I meant to say that Brady would be frustrated because he knows the win is what matters more than anything he also knows. This offense is going to have to kick ticket into gear. Come the postseason. And that if they don't kick it in your over the next three weeks they might actually have to play a road postseason game because the Ravens keep nipping at their their heels. So the defense a triple plus again. offense a lot. One of the sloop liked me all year. Long Kitty off as a work in progress and they're expecting to get some guys back to kill. Carrie was actually on the field so we got a chance to look at their first round. Pick this year with Muhammad Sue. Julian Edelman I think that they will figure things out as this goes along but the thing that saved the Patriots throughout the course of the season that their defense is keeping games close and they're making enough plays and you saw it at the end of the first half in that game. The defense didn't star grade aide. They gave up the DP by Jason. mccourty was ended up leading to a field goal and in on the next drive. It was a big screen plan to Dallas Qatar and in Dallas caught it on the touchdown which was initially ruled alternative. But the fact is the hord but I mean the Patriots went down by double digits and that was the last time that the Eagles scored any points in that ballgame so their defense gave that offense chance and opportunity to figure it out and if you look at the end of half of game they're very few teams that are as good as the Patriots. Because you look at what happened there. Second Red Zone possession. Rodney Rodney McLeod. Misses an opportunity to get an interception. The Patriots put a field goal on the board. Then they come back and they get the strip sack and they put another field goal on the board. You're talking about a situation. Should we could have been thirteen two to six at halftime. Instead ends up being tend to nine and then the Patriots come out and marched down the field on their first possession score a touchdown and that was all that you saw from the game so when you look at situational football because the Patriots are so good and they play complementary and that regard. They're going to be a tough team to even though the offense hasn't figured things out this offense feels like it's piece mailing itself together week by week that over the course of the game. It's just constantly sputtering marine to get itself to the end of the game and my Gosh you look at Tom Brady and you know he's the greatest player of all time. You don't see any part of that you see Bossi's throwing throwing away. He's got no time to do anything because he's not very good right now. Then he is. He hasn't been is he. Not very good right now. Clearly and obviously is is no longer a small sample size and maybe calm the postseason brady will find. A way is the all time greats sometimes do To Kareem late late in his career when he was no longer six. I'm MVP Kareem abdul-jabbar. Still the Lakers in a do or die game in the NBA finals. Right over on the final play of the game for him. He got fouled pissing. Didn't hit the two free throws you can to help win a championship. Sometimes all time greats even when they're cooked can channel an all time great moments for moments in the postseason but over the course of a game in the regular season over the course of a regular season. Tom Brady is a below average. NFL quarterback wreck right. Now those are just we'd we got ten games a sample. I don't know what more people need to see. We haven't done one of these in a while. He lets a blind reveal real quick the left. Does Tom Brady. The right inside. The Guy who hasn't beat in everything but completion percentage and it's just barely below incompletion for Senate to is let me Z.. O. It's garden show. Who the WHO the jags could not wait to get nick? Foles back to take that job away from right now. Tom Brady has the twenty second. The best passer rating in football. That's why Marcus. Mariota he is fourteen touchdown passes. That's fine Daniel Jones. He's six point eight yards per attempt that he's twenty six than football. That's buying Josh Allen and his completion percentage has been behind the bench. Joe FLACCO two of those quarterbacks have been benched. Two of those quarterbacks are young a young guys who are in their first or second year and figuring things out like I. It's a great win for the Patriots. This candy I picked him to lose right. I thought they would lose because I thought they would. Struggle to break twenty points their defense once again rose to the task and was spectacular. So credit for that but I don't think Nikiel Harry Reid's Ahah win are and I'm not saying you're saying this and we're going to win. Didn't play a win. What Nicole Harry came back win? We'll come back. I don't think those guys are going to turn around. What has been the worst year we've seen from Tom Brady? It's now approaching. Ever certainly in the last fifteen years is the problem with the Patriots. Offense there is no explosive down field threat for that team. The explosion that they're looking for from the skill position core is coming from. They're running out of the backfield. And so that's just not enough. You saw them yesterday. Utilize utilize a lot of screen passes just because they don't have anybody that can be that game-breaker in terms of making somebody miss an open spaces. So that's that's something that's going to be a work in progress. I I don't know if they're going to develop that kind of threat but I think that this offense is trying to find its identity and within that it has to be a big part the run game and being able. Control the line of scrimmage. That's why I think people are making such a big deal about Isiah win potentially coming back because he's going to make that offensive linemen when you call this offense a work in progress or they gotta gotTa figure it out or they they need to find their identity when I mean we're week ten week eleven. They're not getting anything new. Except maybe another left tackle. I don't know when when this is supposed to happen. That they're suddenly going to flip a switch and we're GONNA see vintage patriots offenses. We saw this last year when a morph into an off. It wasn't this bad not to this degree but we saw this last year and at the end of November early December they started figuring it out in terms of having to back set with tight end in place and they were running running. The football with old school runs power schemes gap blocking. I just think that the Patriots bill find a way to be able to just because they always do and so. I'm not giving him a lifetime lifetime achievement award. I'm just basing. What I think will happen? Awful what we've seen bill belichick due for one thousand nine hundred years so I just I look at this patriots team. They did what they I needed to do. Coming off of Oba keeping pace with the Baltimore Ravens to keep that top overall seed in the AFC and that defense. Because they're so good they're giving offense an opportunity to figure it out two years ago Tom Brady when Liam Vp. It was it was shocking to me. It was a guys forty years old ones league. MVP last year the team had their worst record. They had in a decade and he had his worst season they have had in a decade. This year he is worse across the board. And you can be the greatest of all time and not still be the greatest of this time and that is where we're at with Brady and the problem is they the last year they've got by with the running game and with Brady okay. So he wasn't the greatest quarterback in football. He was like eighth or ninth this year. He's statistically eighteenth gene through nine thousand nine hundred and that deepens is going to have to be like Oh two bucks two thousand Ravens. If if he doesn't take it up come the postseason all right. So let's talk about the team that they beat the Philadelphia Eagles. I almost wonder. Could the eagles have won that game and taking more advantage of what the Patriots weren't giving you on offense. Defense played great. Where do you place the blame for this Philadelphia Eagles team? Well anytime you have a team. As talented as the Eagles but inconsistent you have to look at coaching coaching so Doug Peterson is at the forefront of any criticism that I would have for the eagles. There were a couple of gay management issues that came up like they had a possession right before halftime where they have. Second second into on the cusp of field goal range and then they take two sacks one was because of a bad sailor exactly which is a killer. I mean that's an obsession before opportunity to put points on the board but didn't possession before that you had a strip sack and in Lawrence guy recovers the fumble so those two plays at the end of the fourth quarter. He had a situation where you don't feel the punt want and you allow five seconds to run off the clock. That's that's overall game management. You don't get a playoff before the two minute warning inexcusable. So all of those things to me point to the head coach not having attention to detail that his team needs in order to compete especially with the better teams in the NFL. And Right now. I I can't believe I'm saying it for right now. That the the Dak wins debate. which to me? The beginning of the year was not a debate because Carson Wentz was so far ahead now is not a debate because because right now he got one quarterback in the NFC east. That looks like a top seven. Top eight quarterback in football at least another quarterback who's playing doors. Football is played since his rookie season by a wide margin. I understand they have wide receiver speed and I understand that Lane Johnson went out and his and they we're up ten. Nothing Lane Johnson was in. He goes out. They don't score again. We know his pass rating drops twenty points Lane Johnson out on the field but come on in and I also get the. That was an excellent past. He actually delivered the ball. But over the course of the season he's twenty seventh in completion percentage and thirty first in yards per attempt like Carson Wentz. We can put it on the complimenting pieces but he got paid this off season like. He's The quarterback that I've been saying saying he is which is a future superstar a guy who will duplicate his near MVP campaign. He had a couple years ago for you got hurt. And he's been nothing close to it and they do. We overestimated their talent Jenna and so. They don't have enough outlying talent to overcome their quarterback playing the worst. The boys played in three years now. The Philadelphia Eagles are looking up at the Dallas cowboys in the NFC. East's does result of that loss. The last night James Harden feasted on the trailblazers trump thirty six points to lead the rockets to their eighth straight win nights like these are becoming standard fare for the beard eared. Almost the point where we're no longer impressed. But hardens teammate. Russell Westbrook was and is and continues to be very impressed. Laser reason I think a lot of people to normalize green. Yes we see it over and over again but it's not because there's nobody who could do it with no Mary by will do Seven position and be able to be one of the best scores of all time because of the way they were scored bought a high level of ride different way. I'm so amazed I'm Deuce bigalow Nice to hear from Russ Nick is James Harden become come under rated absolutely and Russ's comments were spot on if it were easy everyone would do it. Oh anyone if they took doc that number of shots and got that number free throws could okay then someone should go out and do it. They really should because for James Harden what it's led to is a league. MVP three runner up finishes if you add the Adidas money right around his current contract press contracts adidas money half a billion dollars in career earnings and a scoring goring profile that is going to be matched in NBA history only by Wilt Chamberlain. That is the rarefied air in which she is breathing. Right now hardens last. He said a slow start the season I think he had twenty nine in nineteen first two games that since. Then here's all he's done. Forty fifty nine thirty six twenty nine forty four thirty six forty to thirty nine forty seven forty four forty nine and last last night still slow night thirty six points per game and by the way the rockets have the second best record in the Western Conference and by the way we didn't include assists. Because it'd it'd be too much numbers he's topped in the NBA and assists and top five in true shooting percentage. So he's doing it efficiently. Greg we've never never seen a perimeter player score this volume in the history of the League and the only player we've seen scored this volume in the history of the League at any position is a guy who had to rewrite the record books for Wilt Chamberlain. And here's why I think he's become underrated. He could average forty. Ah Game this year and no one I. I'm not hearing. Anyone discuss him as the best player in basketball. People say Lebron Still Jaanus. Some folks were erroneously saying y last week. I in a big argument is hard and better than Qui- was considered a hot take that hardens better than harden. been doing this for half a decade last year average thirty six. This sure looks like he's going to do it again. And then some that to me is the definition of an underrated player. I wouldn't say I wouldn't go as far saying he's been underrated or he is underrated. He didn't he is definitely being under appreciated. If you listen to what Russell Westbrook is saying we become so enamored with what is his norm. And so James Harden's norm is now averaging almost forty points a game putting up forty points a night and so the kicker is if guys in this league could do it with other guys could do it but wooded equate to winning in this is what's beneficial for the Houston Rockets that James Harden produces numbers like this so that his team can win and I don't think viewers fans really understand that aspect aspect of things. He's not only doing it because he has to. He doing it but he's doing it because this is being what's asked of him so that his team could have success. Says and be in contention in the late latter parts of the season so I love with James Harden has done I think it becomes under appreciated because we we start to see at night in and night out the same way Russell Westbrook has been averaging a triple double for the last three years we exactly we begin. We get numb to it and it becomes the the norm in. It's like he did that last night but does it take too much out of him. When you get to the end of the season last year we talked about? We asked all season. Is this sustainable. It turns out was sustainable for him. Memory went on that insane stretch. It almost seems like he's doing it now. I know he has russ next to him. But doesn't this take away from whatever he has left in the postseason when he might and last year obviously. The end of their season was an enormous disappointment to everyone involved in the organization but it last season if he hadn't done it. They were fourteenth in the Western Conference of the way through the year. If he hadn't done it they wouldn't have gotten to. The end of the season. James Harden is doing it because it is what his team requires to be in the position they need to be at the end of the postseason now. The ultimate knock on harden is well. You can't win playing this style of basketball. They haven't won a championship playing this style of basketball. But I would like to remind find the audience the first two years Kevin Durant was in golden state before the year three when they were decimated by injury. They beat everyone. They played in five games or less than the playoffs. Use Not only were the rockets up three two against them because of Hardin before Chris Ball went down with the with the hamstring injury in game seven they were up fifteen eighteen points and at that moment overwhelming favorites to win the NBA title. And then they missed twenty seven straight threes. Those were not all hard and that's just unbelievable. Believable bad shooting luck. That's the only reason they haven't won a title sway. To the only reason they would've with respect to Lebron that was Lebron and the four piece of paper cavs team they were not going to be able to handle those rockets. So yes you can win title like this. They just haven't won a title like this Greg if they do win a title at at any point with harden then he all of a sudden starts to be discussed like wilt chamberlain like one of the greatest players of all time. Who maybe didn't win? There's much as people thought he would but got the ring to go along with the unimpeachable regular season statistical resume. Jimmy you say is this sustainable in the playoffs. And the reason why I think I think that it is is because when you've trained to do something and you are now doing it over the course of a season you have built out of your body to endure. What he's taking on another note he takes the most free throws and all of the National Basketball Association which affords him the opportunity to rest any any shoots of any shoots it at a high percentage? He has he's knocked down in thirteen. Odd had games sixty eight three point shots his ability to not only get to the rack but also rely and take that presser. Yes Sir Office. Body that physical toll off his body because of his ability to shoot the long jump shot is paramount to why he's going to be able to sustain vein this level of mobility. Look it's okay with Russ now. Let's see Russia's totally fine with it and singing the same song and I joined by Fox sports. NB analysts Sarah Stock Good McCain crack. It's great great to see you. You've been all over my instagram fade. Sarah you've been a very busy time fans people on no. It's but you've been all over my league past feed and you guys are doing a great job. Thanks which is really doing a great job. It's a heck of a broadcast talked about the court. It's it's all great it's weird. It's weird the everything about the broadcast. The game presentations great and then court. I'm like he's my. TV's look at that. Nice bright sued. I have no saying okay. All right I really want to hear my opinion may do sorry. You're right that all right guys last check. It was November twenty. I seemingly far too soon to predict an NBA MVP. Unless you're pool to choose from includes Lebron James. Lebron has been spectacular in your seventeen in twenty five points per game leading the League in assists. The king has been so good. He's got Magic Johnson. tweeting Magic Johnson rarely leaves Magic road if he continues at this pace he will definitely be the league. MVP This season. No one is playing better than him. And what's scary is. His story is still being written written. All Right Sarah's magic right Ron the MVP right now as we sit here today. I believe he is. I believe he is. I think that Janas has been having a monster. Start start to the season. He is certainly in the conversation. But I think at this point what Lebron has helped Lakers to do how well they've been playing. I never would have anticipated. Despite the fact that their schedule is favourable to start the season that they would have had the start in come together so quickly with all the pieces. I also think the numbers for Lebron are of course very impressive. What he's helped? Anthony Davis become the way in which he's continued you just by the test get to that next level defensively of what we used to see in years past. I think that if you're looking at the situation saint who I want to have the ball at the end of the game I want it. Lebron James Hands well and Dan do you. You mentioned what he's helping. Anthony Davis to a totally revamped. Coaching staff totally revamp roster. The guys who are on this team that Predate Lebron James I think the full list is Casey P. and Kouzmine by the this is a new teen and I know Laker fans. Last year's we were still elul squeamish. Lebron like you're not going to break our young or you're not going to do what you know's going to do all of it and he's going to bring in another great player and then all of a sudden the team. What has been in shocking to me is I thought it'd be really good defensively? I think they could well because I thought Dave Anthony Davis and when they made it clear they wanted. I want to play another center. I play Anthony Davis and a big Guy I thought it would hurt them. Demonstrably on the offensive end but they would have so much length that I thought defensively. They could be a really good team. But I did not think could be the number one defense amass cable. And that's what they are and if you are a top five defense in basketball and you have Anthony Davis to go along along with the highest. IQ offense player in league history. And Lebron. James you're going to be at worst top aide offense and they right now right right outside the top ten but that's going to pick up of right now if it's valuable of course he's the most valuable player in basketball if it's outstanding. There's two other the guys in the conversation. Janas and Luca and low and Luca and with Lucas seems winning as well. I mean they're nine and five and he is. He's re- he will rewrite the record. Books that Lebron James Rewrote as far as youngest to do this youngest to that Lebron has all those records Lucas Common Forum. But right now the what you said at the end maybe the most important. It's not just at the end of the game for once again if you were to ask all thirty. GM's and they had and to be honest and it was anonymous for this season. You can have any player in the League on your team. Who's the one you'd take from another team all thirty eighteen? GM's all twenty nine seven Lakers already haven't would say Lebron and that is the definition of valuable or outstanding depending on how you want to look at I agree I agree with everything. Magic Johnson saying he lebron. James has been lightsout not just offensively in no. We're talking about their team defense. But the the fact that Lebron has decided and made a conscious effort to put in the work in the effort on a defensive in that has has made them really special. Because now he's playing the passing lanes. He's actually getting up in the defender's face. Instead of lagging in the paint and inches leading his defender be the one that okay. You beat us if you if your team's going to win. He has not decided to do that. And that will propel you on the other end of the log in so when you talk about last year last year like Lebron James and his success early with the Lakers and then he gets hurt hurt and then they don't make the playoffs. And here's all these talks of Choline Leonard Being Better James Harden being better. He's not even in the conversation. One of best player in the league anymore Kevin Durant before he goes down honest for John is like all the players as a competitor. When you've always been been on top you take that and you you fuel yourself with that you come out like this and who better to do it? Then Lebron James and and here's the thing we just got back from a west coast trip and get a chance to talk to a handful of whether it's scouts whether it's some front office people and you just pick their brains about things happening out there in the the thing that I think a lot of people don't realize nuances of the game. That Lebron has brought to the table for as long as he's been around he understands time score course of of the game. When do I need to run a pick and roll and get wiped involved? When do I need to do? I need to make sure coups gets a wide open three from the corner to get going. This guy hasn't touched the ball all in a while. So when I'm coming to facilitate the offense I'M GONNA make sure to get him involved. We need some buckets. I'm just GONNA keep myself. He has such an extraordinary fuel for the game. And because of that when you bring up the new parts new pieces the new coaching staff. That's why they've had so much early season success s because of his gauge on. Exactly what a team needs. When if ron can keep doing this keep up this play for the rest of the season win the MVP in year seventeen? What would something? I'm like that too for his legacy. Nick well you guys know. I obviously believe he's the greatest player of all time. Right now I would say twenty percent of the public's with me on that maybe a little less. It's it's the minority opinion for sure you're not Harvey Greg's not part of it. The I think everyone has him in the top three at worst at this point but MVP and you're seventeen seventeen because think about the other things that are going to go along with that this year. He is going to pass Kobe for points. This season and move into third only all time list. He's going to pass an assist. This season Gary Payton the originals. Ahah Thomas and Chris Paul and move into seventh on that list. He's going to break a tie with. Kareem Tim Duncan and Kobe for most all. NBA teams at fifteen. He will move to sixteen he already has the record for most all MBA. I teams. He will further that record and and he will become the only the fourth player ever with five or more. MVP's that right now. It's cream with six Bill Russell and Michael Jordan with five and so all all of that plus if I'm going to tease a little bit further an MVP and a championship. It's it won't be a minority opinion anymore. I believe it's already undeniable undeniable. Folks say six for six and I think Kareem get shorted in this discussion. I don't think it should be a two person discussion. I think it should be three but Lebron's numbers and and the year seventeen part of this. We've only had one guy average more than twenty three points per game in your seventeen. It was Kobe on a mediocre Laker team near the tail end in. Kobe had a really really good year. That you're in. The team was okay but not great Lebron if he is still nobody's ever been close to the best player in basketball in your seventeen even even coming close to the MVP much less winning it further solidifies that what the eye test tells you the best guide. How many minutes how many minutes? It's not just year seventeen. Oh yeah six. The mileage history already mellow out because he could you want a the only thing. No but the only thing he may thank you all right onto the Dallas cowboys coming off a win over Detroit. Last week Dak Prescott Prescott walked away with the credit for that win. Four hundred forty four passing yards. While Ezekiel Elliot once again took second fiddle. Hey Dacca's I in the NFL in passing yards. Art Zeke is eighth in rushing yards yesterday on undisputed hall of fame running back Ladainian. Tomlinson was asked what he thought about. Zeke's lack of production anytime you have young quarterback you got a young office coordinator you're GONNA WANNA try to uplift their young quarterback to be in the MVP race right okay and so naturally. You're not going to run the ball as much as you used to. You wanted us all those whip. They have massive weapons at the wide. Receiver Position Gallup. Has I stepped up. Randall Cobb I love their receiving core. That's a hot. Take Right Nikki. Words Zeke doesn't get back on track this season back Zeke standards I e the my we are such prisoners of the moment Zeke as of take away the last two games his three the game prior the at three hundred fifty five yards rushing it was averaging five yards per carry like he was he up and he's had a bad two weeks and evidently you're not allowed in the NFL anymore like two weeks. He's washed east coast. Forget about and it should be noted. I believe part of Dak success. This season season is defenses are still maybe they'll adjust because DAX played at such a level. This they are still worried about stopping. twenty-one first and foremost which is opening things up for REDAC- and because has played at such a high level and the passing game has been so effective. I wonder teams. Now we're going to have to start doing just the other way. Remove one of those defenders when the box to start giving help on the outside. I don't either Cooper Gallup help on the inside to COBB. And then you'll see Zeke eaten again. I don't think Zeke all all of a sudden between between the middle of October and Halloween lost his ability. I think he's had a bad to football games. That right right now we want to assign it. As is he not worth the money. Is he over the hill at near four when everything we've seen from Zeke prior to two games ago yelled he's one of the three best people in the world at what he does. Yeah I'm with you. He'll get right back to where we've seen him in years prior in in years past what what I don't like an I respect Thomasson. I don't agree with at all that you're killing more and missed half is trying to promote Dak Prescott to MVP status know what they're doing is utilizing what has been working but defenses to your point. Their number one responsibility in all of football is to stop the run when you get into a defensive a unit meeting and you hear a defensive coordinator start their conversation men. We got to stop the run. We're going to make them one dimensional and what the cowboys have always been able to do is run the football and so it's going to be a challenge from night into night out from Sunday data Sunday every time. muzio Elliott is in that backfield to run the ball. But when you when you look at last year through ten games he had one hundred and ninety four templates he had eight I'm sorry one hundred ninety one attempts nine hundred fifty three yards this year. One hundred and ninety four attempts eight hundred thirty three yards seven touchdowns so he's is right where he was last year and he rushed for fourteen hundred yards. Cubic sees new probably always let. Let's let deck beat us well deck starting to beat you now and now. You're gonNA happenings avenue exactly. Thank you for listening to the first things first podcasts. Remember leave us a review. Tell us what you think. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Apple podcasts and catch us on Monday through Friday. Six Thirty A._M.. Easter Chris Carter Nick Reich on Jenna Wolfe so on everybody.

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yesterday and by the way i'm trying to get off the knicks because i don't want to depress myself but i was just just watching them in their box score and all this other stuff in do you know there's not one single person on the new york knicks that's average four sist- again now one person on new york knicks averaging four assists again just let me move on to so football related matters philadelphia eagles are first and foremost my mind because they're not impressive anymore we notice carson wentz is football games that looks awful but unlike most people particularly following the seventeen nine loss the seattle seahawks yesterday i'm not gonna throw out i'm not gonna throw carson wentz out with dirty bathwater figuratively speaking of course us here's my thing first of all russell wilson made every play every throw that he needed to one really counted and caused a winston it exactly the opposite secondly the seattle seahawks if i remember correctly rushed for one hundred and seventy four yards on the day on twenty six carries averaging six point seven yards a carry helped by a fifty eight yard run by costs by our penny he finished fourteen cash one hundred and twenty nine yards away russell also wilson thirteen to twenty five hundred yards sacked six times relatively pedestrian performance by his stands but nevertheless did whatever it took to get the job done laser gentlemen to me carson wentz is symptomatic of a big problem so is doug peterson and that's the fact that how roseman your general manager has gotten you to play that he needed i was reading an article in philadelphia for months earlier last spring where everybody was talking about all the the bodies that the philadelphia eagles had added and everybody was over thirty in a league week at a time when everybody's trying to get younger howie roseman wanted to get out and then the fragility comes into play y'all wondering what the hell happened why don't you just pay pay attention the fact of the matter is that it hasn't been good and when you look at it from this perspective last yesterday after noon carson wentz was playing without his three wideouts there was no this sean jackson there was no alshon jeffery there was no nelson agrelo period never had a running game speak of so you got all of that going on what do you expect that doesn't help that he lost two fumbles it doesn't help that he got into septa twice it doesn't help that his his name is directly attached to four separate turnovers for the philadelphia eagles absolutely true i'm i'm not here to absolve costs and winstrom anything but we all know he's got skills for those of you who are wondering oh my lord life with so much better if we had nick foles how's it doing jacksonville guy hit the various got hurt the very first game was out the next ten weeks comes back men's shoe was benched nick foles done they've been outscored seventy five to thirty three cents richard he's thrown a ball over forty times till later on for three hundred yards a game the reality is that the eagles roster roster is not that impressive there they were hell bent on living that super bowl run as former player said taking that they still had it that they can still go out there and do some things instead of systemically recognized who they are what their deficiencies were what they needed to work on an address and that was that now early in the season i saw guys dropping catches there was a touchdown catch against detroit that was dropped would have won the game there was a touchdown catch on donald going down the left sideline by nelson galore had he caught that day to beat atlanta those two two victories right there they want those two games will be a first place right now it would be the dallas cowboys it would be the philadelphia eagles but it is what it is not the case and again i'm not trying to absolve cost winstrom anything because i know he's been awful but if you know that to operate behind the eight ball coming into a game week after week after week chances are you're going to overcompensate particularly when you consider that you have the skills to do it you're going to try to pull it off more often than not you lose that way and i understand it but you also understand his desire is to try and overcompensate because he recognized what they don't have working for fidel you howie roseman how do you allowed to have how do you pay a hundred and nine million dollars and in turn around and don't give him the requisite the pieces that he needs at least bill belichick patriots on the pain brady at least they are not making a long term investment at least they're sitting there and making them earn every every petty and soleus contract with the latest stuff he would always a six time super bowl champion the philadelphia eagles when a guy cost who's never so much has played a playoff game for you because he's been engineered tot the super bowl will run their their after when you beat chicago plays last year this is the guy that you gave me one hundred nine million guaranteed dollars too so why would you then turn around and not give give him the requisite weapons that he needs why would you be a roster bereft of depth so in the event that these older players very familiar with the injured list by the way we'd be covered by having somebody else to replace i don't think causing winter's been impressed by dam site i think he's been awful but are we really going to point the finger at him where we look at what he's working with he hasn't helped but the redesign hasn't helped either coaching here but wishing he was coaching nick foles volts based on his play calling i'm saying and how he rose it charters rust how much longer can do you get to live off the fact that you're not chip kelly because we know how god awful he was an l. a.'s finding that out now with him and UCLA LA you're the one with argue they are getting a little better the point that i'm trying to make his it's carson wentz is not the problem he's a symptom of the problem that's my personal opinion what about joe it they'd say ESPN it's edited seven nine three seven seven six by the way in terms of the new orleans saints i don't like what i saw yesterday i don't like like the fact that drew brees seems to be targeting michael thomas exponentially more than everybody else when i think team's defenses in a postseason are gonna make thank you talk it somebody else jared cooks the world and others as for the green bay packers getting stopped in alpha jimmy graham what the hell are you i'm just wondering totta alive even able to as the big show big fan of are your show i saw your take on carson just now his QBR sixty two i this year i get it he doesn't have the weapons a lot of injuries juries they bought an older guys but when you're an elite quarterback if you're going to be up there with tom brady do you want to be up there with those guys not you've got to perform you'll get say that because he's not he wasn't MVP about two years ago taranto two years ago he was the league MVP kennedy he would have won the league okay now got hurt that was thirteen weeks into the season he was clearly the leading candidate for league MVP honest that's an inaccurate statement on your part i i think i think from i'm from philadelphia steven a. and we're we're tough on our players but i think i think it's time to move away from carson and look at somebody these drafts and the young players justin herber from oregon you got away he played saturday you yeah i'll take him off players turnover NFL player four turnovers that's one bad afternoon i gave you two games could could've easily won and recently as three weeks ago the lead the eagles were leading the league in dropped passes at about fifteen sixteen you go forget that jack lowe nellie dropping like babies all i'm saying is they're dropping passes to guess what would be higher if they caught those passes it hit right in the hands that's that's factual here that's not emotion carson carson getting paid too much right now it's just that's the best you got i came back at you would they were leading the league in dropped passes at about fifteen sixteen and and there's two to three games that were literally game winners if they had caught those passes at the end of the game at all you got all you got is that that's all oh you got you're gonna choose that type of play no i said i said it was an awful game but the point of the matter is the the who are having an awful season and when you look at some of these guys around him how do we ignore the fact there's no quarterback this assessment on the football to himself you gotta catch passes he overthrew mile standards yesterday for easy targets he over here dial tone if you bring up yesterday one more time i said we agree on yesterday i said i'm talking about the season it is undeniable niable what has happened this season to him we can't ignore the roster that was given to him how roseman i don't think causing this is having a great season by any stretch of the imagination but it's been contributed by dudes dropping passes it's been contributed about guys not being healthy is a conservative attributed by guys being older and more fragile can you deny that now i can't have a nice day take it easy mike go ahead hey man the first time caller i would just like to say i wanna know if you saw the report by ian rapoport this weekend that the giants are trying to look at jason garrett once this grace what a disgrace i'm glad you brought that up that's a freaking joke what is what is jason garrett don on to make to warrant the giants bringing him to new york city tell me what that is where i don't know like when i when i saw that i i actually actually got a week banned from twitter from my response to that i couldn't i couldn't fathom what like what's going on in new york what's going on with the front bought it with him he changed why ban a week ban from twitter why oh 'cause my respond very sovereign right there how old are you i'm thirty five you could've control your emotions to the point where you could express yourself and your vehemence against it without getting banned from twitter i mean there's not trying to i'm trying to being dead serious i'm trying to help you hear my brother i'm saying what does it say about uh-huh yourself without getting get banned i mean it was just you know there's a lot of motion the season's going pretty pretty bad for the chinese you've going horrible actually and with that news i i kinda like flip the switch no excuse forgive you but what i'm saying to you as my brother other UN intelligent young man with a bright future ahead of you not they're getting banned from twitter is the be all end all but it is indicative of an individual they can't control themselves themselves you can control yourself bro you press this up without get bands all i'm trying to say that that's true that's true i know but i when i saw that it was just ridiculous like you gotta airways about the knicks but i don't have to control myself i feel like i feel like a speaking of the knicks i feel like do if this goes through that john mara might be the next game is all in all right i got it i appreciate the call thank you so much let's go to will you live stephen stephen go ahead steven steven a big fan of the show for the time caller thanks i think going back to the philadelphia situation i think is more of the perfect storm and what i mean by that is the defense was injured beat up causing wasn't his best game players being out on all says offensive line receivers howard running back gets point i don't need us go ahead eh i just don't i don't think i don't think it's just carson wentz and i don't think it's just being the players being old i just think it's just a collaboration and things i don't think any anyone personal thing to blank when everybody's trying to particularly go ahead all right i got i appreciate the call thank you so much let's let's go to call you live with stephen able to even any man i got a problem with everybody down on carson wentz the the problem is they're not giving them a weapon he has no weapons to throats and i i blame the offensive coordinator i blame the the coach those quarterbacks coach you know i mean if we go back two years ago and see what happens you know it's crazy carson wentz is not the problem yes awesome weapons from weapons that's all i got to say all right appreciate the call williams you live with stephen a big fan of you thank you go ahead i was going i'm a die hard patriots fan i've been hearing a lot of chatter lately they keep saying comedy's gone downhill do you believe that no i don't believe tom brady has done i don't believe he's what he used to be but i don't believe he's done i believe that he's devoid of weapons i think that listen listen nicole harry got four receptions on the season this kid lacoste whatever the hell is named the tight end he's got six receptions receptions on the season got tom brady throwing the guys like rex burkhead okay are you kidding me i mean what was he as opposed to do there's no listen i put an people think i'm joking but i'm not joking i'm not exaggerating and i'm not and i want to preface my comments by reminding everybody i don't know what happened with antonio brown and his personal life i don't know whether he's guilty or innocent of the sexual assault allegations that have been levied against him if if he's innocent he needs to prosecute young lady if he's guilty he needs to pay the price period that's how i feel about it but i would ask everybody lina put this in perspective tom brady is widely considered a family man he is married to a gorgeous supermodel they have have wonderful children they are rich beyond their years etc he has to super six super bowl titles rather and nine super bowl appearances tom brady has all of that going for him and invited antonio brown to stay day in his home the significant do you have any idea how desperate tom brady must be for for receiver to do that just think about deficit let me ask you let me ask you a question williams and again we're not casting any aspersions any kind of guilt on antonio brown whatsoever we don't know what happened okay i don't know i don't know what the facts are but if somebody gets accused of sexual assault or you inviting them into your home no sir no i'm not no so what does this say to you that tom brady not only invited demand in the home but let us welcome to state as you want it keep antonio brown he wanted to keep him i'm just saying how does that speak to the desperation antonio that tom brady must be feeling yeah yeah we need help we need help and there's no gronkowski josh gordon is in seattle antonio brown has gone all i'm saying is who the hell is tom brady's throwing a ball to how do we ignore that that's all i'm saying one more question one more question for you glad who who right now who's your excuse from AFC that SE who go to the super bowl right now if i had to pick right down it would be san francisco versus baltimore okay ah okay even if the road goes to foxborough you know right now right now yes because i don't know if the patriots have an answer for his ability to run the football unless it's implement with i don't know if they have an answer i gotta run i appreciate the call let's go to richard you'll office even richard stephen mind how about them sayings birth talk me man i'm i'm loving the man who had a few excuse last no yesterday you know a few third downs we could've convert on but i loaded the comeback win a lot of the finish and other game you know i love the a lot of energy we plan with offense defense we got a few things we need to pick up on our secondary of course but i feel once let him more comeback everything we'll be back on what you say that a lot of more back PJ where us gave up one hundred yards two touchdowns yesterday that's not impressive i will tell you that number two i don't like the fact that the patriots were trying to saints rather made it so interesting against cal carolina they are physical team they're not gonna get punked like green bay did last night in sanford and in santa clara but nevertheless you do expect by and see here's the thing about san francisco kgo san francisco really really get at the quarterback drew brees is not a mobile quarterback and on top that all chances dances all the road to the super bowl is going to come through northern california rather new orleans i think all three work against new orleans plus michael thomas has one hundred and four receptions for twelve hundred and forty two yards your next leading receiver is camara who who missed a couple of games who has little over four hundred yards receiving that's how big of a discrepancy it is one man going to be the san francisco forty niners that's my concern concerned right now about new orleans i feel like put it we put camaro knows that and incorporate multi tastes them hill against sporting honours i believe could be going to be a close game but i believe i believe we will come through okay that's emotion i appreciate it is nothing wrong with you oh for your team but i don't think it's founded on anything substantive i appreciate the call matt thank you so much it at eight say is in at eight seven to nine three seven six up up next voice of monday night football the one only himself boga mcfaul and we'll be on the talk to us about some of yesterday's actions at tonight's match up between the baltimore ravens and los ed's let's ranch will stick around on tests that you're listening to steven a. 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tell he's frustrated and i think that you know with the amount of money that he spent in the amount of tournament effort they put into building this team that he thinks they should be farther along offense defense special teams and i think the frustration that comes out it's to be expected i just don't like the way it comes out because it doesn't help your football team win jerry jones is all about winning into me then you you you keep it in house and you can still have the same feeling but you just call it this garrett into the office and and you know to me when you come out and you put it in in the public air and now it becomes not just about the feelings now becomes a little bit about the show oh and then the in that was my biggest takeaway you know jerry it's your team you can do what you want say what you want but what's the ultimate goal is the ultimate go to win the ultimate goal to be a i'm not a reality show but just a a a a situation where we're always in in the media because we're putting our coach in a tough for based on you know post game news conferences and things of that nature is it possible to jerry jones owns what contributed mostly to his frustrations the fact that he gave ezekiel elliott ninety million dollars and before the season began fifty million in guarantees the guys averaging over twenty over four yards a carry yesterday and you didn't get the football more in those weather conditions then could you know i there's a lot of people talk about the cowboys seen prepare for the weather and you know that could have been an issue but i mean dollars with this rain sleet snow sunshine doesn't matter every game planning us you start with ezekiel elliott i mean he's back in football so i i don't really give them a pause regardless of the weather they have to stat or number twenty one now you know the patriots a lot of men coverage and they were gonna make it tough run yesterday and so maybe they wanted to take advantage of someone on opportunities but if you say that now let's look at amari cooper amari cooper is as is good a route runners we've seen in a long time and i don't care if they're trying to give moore was covering the mark cookbook i if he's your number one and that's their number one corner we gotta how confidence in our guy and and take advantage of the match up so i didn't like the cowboys game plan overall now even with that being said the blocked punt really changed the game i mean there's thirteen to nine and the cowboys defense i don't play that sanding really only giving up a couple of dries so in in the end i think if you're a cowboy it's disappointing laws because they which i think has been killing he'll really play well we'll give it follow right here with steven ESPN radio ESPN news for get to this monday night matchup that you're getting ready to call tonight san francisco forty niners looked like the best has team football i think a lot of people are trying to throw excuse me throw credit jimmy garoppolo direction he's not scrub particularly in today's climate he's word worthy of seventy two million a guaranteed he's received but nevertheless i think there's several things you think about when you think about the forty niners he's thinking about that defense specifically that front for not to mention their running game and of course college shanahan when you look at the forty niners a do you believe the best team in football if not the NFC right now and if so why if not why not i think they're the best team in i do i believe in a formula i believe in that style i believe in what they what they do because he travels it doesn't matter the weather doesn't matter the opponent in gonna run the football and they're gonna take their five or five deeper salaam that they rotate and they're gonna try to take your offense and they're just gonna shut down your throat and there you block those guys and to this point in the season nobody's ever able to block them i mean stephen we all know him rogers as you say he is a bad man roger last night and he didn't even belong in in in any NFL let alone as quarterbacks we've ever seen because pressure does that to you and because of that front four and you flip it open the other side how they run the football george cato is a top two tidying in in the lead guilty you look at emmanuel emmanuel sanders coming over now they have a legitimate number one people send your into his own and i get it people questioned jimmy garoppolo but i mean all these gonna show up and and they just keep winning so i believe in the forty niners i think the best team up see they're gonna play the ravens so we're gonna find out how the matter for it's one of the top two teams the AFC i think the patriots are want and the raiders or two in the AFC which all going to begin giving follow right here with steven eight years ESPN radio ESPN news get to this monday night encounter obviously raved about the ravens we've talked about the greatness of lamar jackson most people would send to have him him as a top two MVP candidate in this league right now him russell wilson but we cannot estimate the job to john hough has done that this defense has done particularly since the the acquisition of marcus peters etc what the hell is happen to the los angeles rams particularly on the offensive side of the ball had people figured out sean mcveigh exactly or is the person heard sean mcvay most jared goff i think it's a combination of a lot of things i would start with the offense of mine under the continuity annuity hasn't been there andrew whitworth is really the only guy that's been for me and so what that does is now you have an offense events where its main weapon last couple years in the offense running and consistent so now more quarterback and jared all ah regress a little bit like i can go back to last year's chicago game and it carried over to the super bowl he hasn't been the same time making bad decision consistency and so there's a lot of blame to go around i would start though with the offensive line and then go to the quarterback i think we saw last last week that if you give keris he can still be the bearer then you know i think they're going to produce tonight against the ravens team that's going to be really aw motivated to stop this game we talk about todd gurley he's only got five hundred and twenty five yards rushing on the season one hundred twenty nine attempts that's an average of four point one yards a carry that's not slouch that's not miserable it's not ultra impressive but it's definitely a bit above decent tell us what you're seeing from todd curly what do you get when you actually watch him run the football in this day and age compared to what he did in years past i i watched the chicago tape last which and i saw the same todd gurley it just makes you wonder like is this is this something that is based on the number of camp so he's getting and based on the usage or is this based on it different in win the learfields do it he can give you this that's a portion i don't know he's turned the tape on last us we watched him play against the bears i watched them play against the steelers early in the season i mean he looks at closer he looks you're gonna come down on heal yes yes several catches whereas we'd so i'm looking forward tonight seeking you have back to back fan mus like like we're used to seeing liked the target earlier bowl the rams are going to need that if they're gonna go august raising his team and and and be able to control the clock and not won't tackle the modulation all night talking to book follow right he had talking about curly-haired twelve registered seventy three yards against the steelers had twenty five carries for ninety seven yards ars last week against los angeles against chicago bears bergamot fall and talking right here with steven here's PO radio ESPN news so what do you expect to see from night oh what what are you looking for most tonight specifically from the baltimore ravens with the way everybody's raving about them getting set to go up against this los angeles rams team a lamar mark jackson that's got amer donald those boys to deal with what are you expecting well trying to take out of the game but then it probably does not anything new everybody again i think they're gonna attack the edges and and this name has come down to can klay matthew and dante solid junior and they tackle mark ingram and lamar jackson i think they're gonna make those two guys the a vital part of the game and and say goodbye the raiders are running football team wonderful ball where the ingram johnson and make tiny game ruse it's a really receiver he is really really athletic titanium and they're gonna try to get the football to him but here's the thing like just when you take that away they'll got thrown over the top the hollywood bound and so they have just enough weapons on the outside but this game is gonna come down to the rams stop the run did they stop the run other bama be very close and i think the ramp of every chance to win it late if you don't stop along right now last question if i had to put but you on the spot and your league MVP candidate needed to be decided today who would it be russell wilson lamar jackson somebody else i'm giving it to lamar the my jackson and and and that's coming from a guy who a year ago i wasn't a believer i cover them in college i was one of the few people who said that you know this wire receiver or running back and not quarterback i i was one of the few people to go on record to say that i think a lot of people thought that when you watch them play against the chargers lashing the playoff game when to fifty minutes you don't have completed pre passing but you fast forward a year and everybody's on the bandwagon now so am i and i i'll come around because i i've watched a young man and be disappointed how he played against the chargers and go back and and get better they went back in your home this crap he went back and he has an organization is built around him a lot of support and he's rewarded john hough ball he's rewarded arctic ozzie newsome because he wanted them with exceptional play spectacular focus one of the hardest worker and i think the thing the people rave about him in baltimore is he's galvanized the team he's bridge the gap between young and old and the new guy everybody loves skidding so i've been really impressed with the with the improvement he made he he would be if i had a vote i give him right now as MVP just because us of what he's doing in this league any improvement he may from charger game until now it's been talking about lamar jackson baltimore ravens number the two in yards allowed number one offense league in in points number one offense in terms of running the football bogeyman father looking forward to listening to you deny nyima man we will be watching them we will listen thanks a bunch but anybody right one of the only bucket 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accused of the kind of things that that and tonio brown is being accused of remember the NFL has already warned folks even if you acquire him we could end up putting him on the commissioner's asia's exemplifies and so the reason why that's a deterrent is because if a team picks them up but then he gets placed on the commission as exemplified you still have to pay him even though he i can't believe you yes no i totally understand and one other thing with this as brady's obviously come to an end of his career imagine you saw tapper network got last weekend i can't even believe i'm saying soldier for ten years in my life but the guy still has it we have no backup quarterback and i will say this you i got to interrupt because we gotta get ready to go the reality is that we don't know what the cabinet has not i believe he does i believe he should be back in this league i don't believe he i should've been exiled from league because of his kneeling and protesting having said all of that a 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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

34:19 min | 1 year ago

The Sedano Show (HR 4)

"Now again deep into my fantasy draft to kareem hunt as a stash. I'm still looking at these popeye's chicken sandwiches man. I wanna have one making me hungry at the door on social media man. They know they know what they're doing. They did it they did it. They got it right. Popeye's had lines out the door. I still doing it. I'm just looking at people like hey. Why don't i got somebody else. I'd taken orders in and out in and out. I don't think popeye's had that no. It's smart because i don't think we've we've seen a popeye's chicken sandwich commercial because it's word of mouth right so i did bring this up. That's a great point. I did bring this up. The last one last commercials i saw aw remember when jerry rice had the helmet on with the chicken chicken bar yet yeah. That's four popeye's is come yeah. I don't know if they can ever come now. They had the lady in the commercials. Yeah actually yeah yeah. I'll go grab a piece of that chick yeah. She's still. She's still there but they haven't. They haven't done the this is hilarious. I remember i was in bristol. Yeah i was in bristol and i know i mentioned jamal. Jamal is like jerry. What are you doing now jerry. He's vindicated now. He hours for chicken chicken sandwich. I'm going to tweet that out. Let's not forget what jerry jerry rice d for us he did we were talking about andrew lock in drafts and all that stuff at i don't care what happened to your fantasy dr andrew luck. I know that stinks but i'll tell you just. It's a funny story. <hes> the y'all can laugh at so when i went to orlando to watch the mccain's gators game my buddies to orlando every year and they do their fantasy draft. They do auction so they have like a salary cap and they spent money on players. They're bidding and all that stuff and one of the dudes spent ninety eight dollars on andrew luck now i did. I laughed but i did kind of feel bad for that dude. That's that's that's tough. I saw one do in the stands at jersey on and it still had the tag on. I saw he took it it off. He took it off well. You can return it though i don't return it. You got the tag on you. I never returned to their with the tag on yeah but i'm just saying about. I don't like what happens to all that merchandise indicts now. Oh i don't know about that doesn't hopefully it is at the payback like lebron which will go do his jersey yeah. I'll try to change mark. It was funny. I went and bought some pants for a funeral funeral because i had i had lost. I had this jacket that was like charcoal grey black unless you mean yeah and i lost the pants hands. I don't know what the hell happened to the damn pants so i went to like banana republic and they had literally the exact same color some like perfect. I'll just buy those winter. The funeral didn't realize i'd never never take. I didn't take the tag off. It must have gone inside the pants and then i took the pants off. I'm like oh. I still got the tag on this so i saw them the other day and i'm like ought to return when these because one hundred seventy dollars slacks and you go to a funeral by the time you get there. You're like no. I need to wear black pants. I can't just like where genes you know so i had to buy them and that's what happened so your retirement yeah. I see your brother capacity. You do what you gotta do yeah. That's all that's what was circulating <hes> what you think about eddie murphy hosted saturday. I love it. I love of it. I can't wait because i need eddie murphy more in my life i saw the comedians were cars as i told you and he's doing this thing where it took him like twenty minutes to warm up okay to seinfeld n._f._l. Have you watched it. No not yet so watch. It's comedian cars having coffee at seinfeld's digital thing on netflix and it took eddie about like twenty minutes to warm. It's a forty minute episode. Normally they're like fifteen or twenty minutes tori <hes> but it took eddie like twenty minutes where it was like he was very serious. Then had his coffee and then eddie was eddie. Have we forgotten about eddie murphy. What do you mean like because he hasn't done anything like a lot of you know. No special is no comedy. Nothing and it's like forget. He's funny well. Comedy is always always the. I felt like the rebirth is coming of eddie murphy <hes> where they're coming america coming to america to his netflix specials now hosting saturday night live all you need is a couple of things. Get hot again once you hot. Is you back home. Yeah you'd know life is good when you can go off of the radar while twenty years yes. I think demand is still high for him very long ago. Gymnasium nutty professor came out back over well over ten years ago man he was enough to not know mo- yeah <hes> oh big mama house throw that was that was more. He was professor yeah yeah and life those it yeah yeah that was it was really kind of last joint that he was in and now saturday night live you know him hosting. Here's a he ended up in what thirty years thirty five years thirty five years five years wow follow agile classic ratings that night yeah it'll be big. I just guarantee brown in the fourteenth round. I figured why not made you kobe percent. Gotta throw somebody that's true. That's true you know. The numbers might be down but he's my third tight end. Yeah you say you flexing here and there if you need to <hes> but eddie. I can't wait and you're right. Mike is going to be monster ratings. I think yeah he's one of the who else would would serve monster ratings on saturday night. Live man like old school guys though like if they came back to do one well it. The problem with the differs with eddie eddie is that just hasn't done it in so long. That's right like he came back for the anniversary and didn't tell a joke. He was like super serious and like like i said a now coming up blah blah blah you know like that was it and everybody was disappointed because they thought he was going to do so many of the anniversary and be eddie and he wasn't <hes> no. I don't know if chapelle will be there yet. Chapelle now yet now big ratings repels net flicks drops tonight his standup it rights sticks and stones. Yes the fourth one right not sure because i saw the first three four he'd been dropping. I'm a sucker for a good a a comedy show. Yeah i saw that mike epps wants to put my mom on the one with mike golic and mike. I'm trying to think who of the old school guys that was on. I mean who's the most i. I don't know like who are the most iconic people on saturday night live outside eddie murphy. He's number one yeah. He's up there. <hes> <hes> <hes> we've seen adam sandler do it but i don't know if he's still carries the the like. Oh my god san was hosting tonight. You know what i mean like like. He's done it recently in recent enough time that i don't think it would draw mike myers. I still think if mike myers did a pretty big we'll feral if he came back to host yes i'm. I'm sure he's done it. Though hasn't he felt like they've done it. Within a mike meyers been a long time. I heard they're gonna make another austin powers. That would be awesome. Awesome powers is funny every single time trust me if they can keep making fast and furious and make it a mega mega austin powerful man i mean i don't even know what fa they making. Spinoffs johnson shaw engine austin powers with instagram. How funny would that be there. That's a funny joke. I mean you've already got the what they say. You've already got the foundation late right. You know what i'm saying. It's already it done yeah. So you know what the basis of it's going to be now. You just make it mater. That's all it is. That's what coming to america is going to be a modern version of what we saw in eighty nine. That's what everybody's doing is gonna join us next. We're talking about dwight howard. I'm curious to see laker fans tune into lake at talk dwight howard. Are you going to boom. Are you going to cheer him. Let me know laker talk. Allen sleep coming up six thirty here on the sonata sedan show here on e._s._p._n. L._a. kirk morrison hanging out with us today. Oh i got a reminder for you that tonight. Make sure to stay tuned for lakers talk with alin seven p._m. Lakers talked driven by lexus. Santa monica and toyota santa santa monica problem members of the l. a. cargo family of dealerships. I'm excited to talk to allen's always gonna be in here in thirty five minutes at six thirty and pedro gomez home is gonna join us at six forty five <hes> talk a little dodger baseball show kirk you and i talked about andrew luck a little bit today but there's a couple of things that i think are not being discussed when it comes to him and it's the impact of two things the the impact of the media <hes> and its role and the impact of what i think this could do moving forward for football and i'll explain that part in a second i the impact of adam schefter and the media and people are legitimately mad at adam schefter for doing his job right and here's what i would say i get get that he broke the news while he was on the sideline and people are finding out in you know he couldn't tell his teammates but the the one part of the story that everyone <unk> when keeps missing out when they're ripping schefter. Is that a again as i mentioned insists job right and be andrew luck had not told his teammates but he'd already told told ownership and once he told ownership and the front office that story's coming out. It's done like right. I mean you know this. You've been you've been a player and handled in the media. You know that that story's coming out somewhere. Somebody's got it done but people ripping adam schefter like he did something wrong here. I don't think people understand underlying of the n._f._l. It's the same thing in the n._b._a. Right whoa champs <hes> right it. You ramon as you can start. Naming people crispy hangs <hes> when when when something is out there you don't wait you. Gotta let it go you. You can't sit on it <hes> because if you sat on it someone else would have got it. Yeah everyone has context but when that situation comes you gotta get that news out as soon as possible and no one is thinking about the consequences of the repercussions behind it but it was just doing his job and i know wasn't it's a time and a place for everything but that that one i really wish he could have had an opportunity to have that press conference on sunday probably dressed up you know did it the right way but i think it was more so you saw a real and live in. It was a reality show. George saturday night was a reality show because it was imprompt it. This wasn't this was true. Raw emotions for a guy who had prepared something for the next day day and was forced to do something that day so he had known for always a couple of days that he was done with football. Oh absolutely he said he'd molded over ten ten days yeah but he had his statement prepared and he brought the statement and all the people who and so he was right at the last couple of days and i just it's a you don't wanna see some of the players go because they got so much talent still laugh. You know calvin johnson was one <hes> but he didn't really have a lot lot of success in detroit and always wanna see what it will look like and he played for another team. Now it didn't happen <hes> we know of barry sanders. It was similar situation with him. Leaving the game early. Really i think rob gronkowski we all understand that rob's body was breaking down and we do have one of those big giant elbow harness on new will play with the patriots but he had one super bowl he went out there and so the everybody saw rob gronkowski and they understood like yeah i can see him retiring at an early age but at the quarterback position that's one that you kinda scratch your head a little bit. <hes> you scratch your head a little bit because you're seeing players play well into their thirties now. You're seeing guys like tom brady. You mentioned a little bit earlier. Drew brees in the fantasy draft right still playing in the next age of quarterbacks to philip rivers eli manning these guys still want to play and and they've been through injuries and rehabs cam newton's been through rehab injury. He's draft before andrew. Luck was drafted and yet these guys are still going to play and that the game is different for them than it is for andrew luck and it's his decision i do. I agree with it. I agree what makes him happy. Honestly that's all that matters but then i can also put myself in the shoes of indianapolis colts fan and be so upset set because our season is now over right like i understand where they're coming from but then they realize like andrew luck was seven years. There's seven. We didn't win a championship right and now we probably won't for a long time. I mean those are the first pick yeah possibly but then you've got a job jacoby percent is going to be bad. I mean that division is not as good as we thought it was going no divisions. Everyone's gonna be eight eight. They can still win. The division vision still be picking in the middle of the round of round one so it's not all done but man. I think what happens is to is fancy that you're getting closer to a trophy that probably just is now faded away a little bit but you don't say that saying you know like in intensity tint city and an excitement that you had that we're getting closer. We're getting closer and tom brady is a year away two years away from hopefully retire and then the the conference is gonna ours is just between us and kansas city and all of that that that theory that notion that that's all gone now right so i'll go yeah like their dan. We was just starting to get good here. We go again how i get it but it doesn't you know i think that the owner said it best s. jimmer say when he talked about just kind of him not being all in and you can't in that sport kirk right with the type of punishment that you guys take you can't it not be all in and you're listening to caspian los angeles. Here's colts owner jim irsay he's leaving. You know four hundred and fifty five hundred million dollars on the table. Potentially i mean i have have a billion dollars and he's saying you know what i wanna have. My integrity has to be real. I have to be able to look t._y. In the i look my teammates h. Look coach luke christening. I'd say i am all in and he just didn't feel at this point in time he could do that and remember he's talked to andrew. Andrew walked into his office and they sat down. They talked and i can tell you an owner who's got so much money invested in the guy like andrew luck. Probably we told him. Take your time. Don't rush we can put you on. I r okay once. They put him on i._r._r. He means he's going to be going for the first eight weeks of the season but he can eligible to come back and return so there were options out there for andrew luck to still be on the team and not necessarily have to play right now and so when he says he walked away from two hundred whatever half a billion dollars he's saying that that's what he wanted to andrew luck over the next ten to fifteen years of his career. Yeah i would have paid that for andrew luck yeah but he said what's more important as my health and my teammates and that's when he knew it was real like jim. Irsay newell was real when when a guy just said i don't care about the money it's not about the money for me. If i can't be the best andrew luck i wanna be. I just walk away from it. I it's time for me to go work mark more work on my draft again so i'm looking deep now getting deep into the draft oh man i've been forced to done a draft here. I've been forced to be to do the draft while we're on the air. Have you drafted kicker. Yes or no i'm okay. I'll wait until the end of that. <hes> i want to draft steel. I'm looking for like a sleeper deep wide receivers sleeper so i'm looking at rookies d k metcalf for the seattle seahawks or nikiel harry from the patriots. It's the kid who went to arizona state and we'll get back to andrew luck because there are still things. There's one thing that i think that no one is talking about. When it comes to andrew andrew luck and impact of his retirement gut i would say the keel hairy okay <hes> 'cause we're talking about a guy who's got a lot a potential but the return of josh gordon to go along with julian edelman <hes> as well. The tight end position is not there for for the <hes> the patriots tricks. I can see him having a bigger impact especially in that wide receiver group then decay metcalf <hes> i've been i went to seattle seahawks. Minicamp can't watch decay. He is a specimen george. I said man god don't make make them like that too often because that dude is just he's different but i look at that offense of seattle and he fits but he fits in a role. That's going to be a small producing role <hes> you. You still got tyler lockett. You got some you know. It's still a running football team <hes> and so i don't know of decay metcalf is really going to be that productive as as much as i think that nicole harry can be productive for new england being on one side of the field josh cordona the other side and we still know josh gordon status so i would probably going to kill harry. No i got him stashed. I'm he's in my queue somewhere. See tom terrific yeah by the way could not <hes> did not get that he didn't get the name. The patent terrific didn't get that he tried to but didn't get <hes> so real. Quick back to andrew lucked. This was brought up. I saw this on twitter and i want to credit the person who had this okay luther campbell yeah by the way the guests on djamil has podcast this week nice <hes> and talking about his battles in the supreme court for lyrics but here's what he said today this yesterday. Everyone is talking about andrew luck retiring. Here's what a lot of you. Guys are missing if you listen to the entire press conference which was a nightmare for the n._f._l. Because as as a parent under no circumstance would you let your kid play football when you listen to that that is something that no one is talking about and that is that press coverage average was not a good thing for the n._f._l. As far as parents and youth football and things like that that is a very interesting like particular angle that no no one has discussed it yeah it's an angle and then i turn on last chance you. I turn on high school football this weekend. I watched the college game as as well and so many people still wanna play in the n._f._l. It's just it's crazy that so many people who can look at what andrew luck is doing and there's another another five to ten more guys who say they gotta peel me off the field. I wouldn't walk even with the injuries. I love playing football. I love what it does for me a little bit of dust from my family family. I'm okay to have my life altered because of that and that's some of the crowd who've been against what andrew lucked kinda doing which i don't get like i noticed it's kind of the new thing the younger generation now is making so much more money by the way that they can say i can play five or six years and walk away from the game and have a nice head start on the rest of my life wlob and a lotta guys have retired or lead recently. We talked about grunt. Patrick willis summer about that earlier like a number of guys have walked away as you said because they've secured financial l. freedom and that wasn't the case ten years ago fifteen twenty guys whilst in the eighties and the seventies players stay like man what we used to do a we couldn't do. We can't get none at and but i think now when you look at you know guys coming into the n._f._l. It still is still thing man. I watched like these high school who players and talk to them talk to a couple of players this weekend. <hes> i get a chance to see the safety from l._s._u. Then grant will be the he's the best safety in college football by the way but their dream is to get to the national football league like they're some players. Identities is playing in the national football league and they are going to play until you say hey so you get thrown out. There's people who get thrown out of the league. Oh yeah yeah not in a literal sense but more so because there's you know a you've played enough. You're done that andrew. Lex had so much more and i think people are going to look at the career of a guy like tom brady and see him. Keep going and keep going and going. I mean we would we just talk about dwight howard yeah talking about guys. He's on that precipice right now. He's literally looking over the cliff like my career be over which is why he's allegedly weeping into lebron james and anthony davis company but he's gotta take a lesser role to right and that's the big thing that's the bigger gut punch right but in football there are guys that do that too yeah. There are some and then they come to terms and say you know. I'm just not that well. There's josh mccown adrian peterson who still still playing and he blitzed well this preseason <hes> georgia's see god. I just saw it today. I get caught n._f._l. News when i get home i saw matt moore's getting pulled oughta retirement the backup quarterback cam newton he did he was a scout like like there's some guys who are willing to take a roll and move on i mean and and and being an a lesser role in that take the hits and be a backup quarterback break glass if necessary matt cassel spend whole career basically doing it outside of years break glass of necessary guys and that's a good way for career but i just don't know if i wanna see russel wilson retire early on. I'm not going to see you know patrick mahomes saying quarterbacks axes what hurts you more because it hurts the game the game flourishes when there's a lot of good quarterbacks the turnover is going to be another positions always but if anybody watched that press conference <music> on saturday melvin gordon zeke elliot cold out get your money yeah get your money right. Get it right. Get it right now. Mike you have young children as well just like us. I mean does that press conference. Make you think twice about if you wanted to play football it does it does and you know. I want my kid to do what makes him happy so i will expose them to other sports also but if he chooses football that's on him but it does raise some concern about luck to his he has a perfect example which is his father played in the league and has done many of things after planning he has definitely taken advantage of his platform after the fact then created a lot of opportunity for himself which i think andrew could do as well but i'm curious on the parent angle for this like there are plenty of parents listening right now like how does that andrew luck's career again. This was a child prodigy. Basically we saw him coming for a long time since he was a freshman at stanford. Does that impact the way you view football for your your kids eight seven seven seven ten e._s._p._n. Alan sleep won't be in studio at six thirty pager. Gomez will join us at six forty five so keep it locked for that dollar rolling stones because our next guest is going to a rolling stones concert my guy pedrito gomez what's up bro very nice intro yeah state farm stadium tonight glendale arizona look at you. I would come and football the other day. They got. You covered calamari now. I've been doing some kind of work america actually since they drafted him <hes> so a few months now and <hes> yeah it was in minnesota for their game the other day on saturday and it's like like i'll be up the season the season opener against the lions on week one september if cl- liftings berry as handsome person as he looks on television all the neighbor bet i bet so pedro let's talk dodgers yankees here and kirk morrison's here with with me as well i look i was surprised that the yankees won two out of three in the fashion that they wanted the dodgers only scored five runs in the three games <hes> <hes> but look. I think the american league is going to be a bloodbath. It's no different than the western conference in the n._b._a. Or the n._f._c. in the n._f._l. It's just a better league. We go right now so yes. The yankees may be a bad match up for the dodgers potentially because of all the lefties rotation they may not even come out is the whole thanks so like how how much overreaction do you believe. People are having to ono the dodgers. They're going to be stuck again. They can't beat the yankees. They're not gonna be able to win the world series. You know what i think you're right. Excuse me in the sense that whoever comes out of the american league is going to be a tough match up for let's say the dodgers the dodgers doctors get there and certainly the dodgers appear to be the best club in the national league but and i saw the minnesota twins this past week that is a very very potent lineup that that <hes> you know could give any pitching staff some trouble. They're they're issue has been stopping the opposition from scoring but man they can score against anybody. I mean you when you got eleven guys in double digits of home runs that tells you something right there about what the twins are doing right so <hes> you know in terms of the yankees look. The yankees are are a powerhouse. There's no doubt about it but like you sad. They've gotta get through either. The astros the twins the indians. I mean there's other clubs club the american league that are going to be very very difficult to get through even oakland if they get their you know somehow that's that's not an easy bartlett to have opco so but was there anything from this series that you could say that the dodgers take away from that they made do with their rotation in terms of maybe adding some righty ladies because those lefties go out there and i'm watching judge and i'm watching all these literally go to work on. That left handed pitcher yeah but the problem is you can't add anybody anymore. <hes> you know the trade deadline is coming on and it's not like years past. Were you could still do it up until september i if they're not in your system right now <hes> <hes> you can't add anybody so this is pretty much what we're going to see this. This dodgers rotation yeah. It's lefty heavy but <hes> <hes> you know they've they've got a lot of success and i still think that you know young from the other side walker bueller uh uh clayton kershaw they still got the good to be able to do something i would say that they should probably be a little more worried with the very back into their bullpen because preserving those lead in the eighth and ninth inning really difficult challenge for the dodgers. That's a great question great question for me now. We were just going to ask you about kenley jansen so <hes> he did get the safe in their two one win on saturday but it was a roller-coaster so do should we give him credit. Okay forgetting out of it or is that bad save. You know what anything good shape i. I honestly believe that <hes> but it definitely only showed the old all human fore dot com. That's especially coming janssen but you know there's there's no expands or very few times that it's one of those slam dunk. You know. Get outta my way. This game is over types. They usually walking that high wire air and it's it's really stressful for the his own teammates. Look i've talked to a lot of players over the course of the last thirty thirty. Five years told me when we have a shaky closer it is the worst thing in the world because we're not gate swings open from the bullpen and you see the same same guy who's had trouble. Come out there. You're hoping that this isn't going to be the time but we've seen it over and over and it just adds stress and a negative vibe and certainly it's not just this season last season also for kenley jansen. That's been the case like. I said it's been a high wire act. Almost you know fifty to seventy percent of the time ends that he's out there and that's a high percentage to have to navigate a lot of <hes> turbulence. When a game should you know in all practicality be over over you know pedro. George doesn't agree with me on measuring sticks during the regular season but i think this one was a a measuring stick because it did have have a playoff kind of atmosphere around because it was a possible world series match <hes> but if you walk away from this this this series with the yankees and your dodger fan in what will be the big takeaways at we are good team but man we have to do a lot to in order to be a team like the like the yankees or is it okay. Okay we're fine. We just got to fine tune. A couple of things here tweak our line up. We should be okay yeah again though there's nothing to tweak in the offensive of guys because they would you would you be comfortable throwing around. Would you be comfortable. Throwing in dustin may <hes> in that rotation if you had to. You know what you've got five weeks to get him used to what october baseball can be and even though the dodgers are comfortably ahead. They're not going to be challenge for the division. That doesn't mean that <hes> somebody can't learn what it's like to to take on more extreme pressure and in dustin may i saw him in spring training and he was it was jaw-dropping to watch what he could do. Then then he went down the miners and he pitched really well but that's not the same as pitching at the big league level the good thing. Is that look if you put me out there. The month of september september baseball tends to be higher end pressure type baseball. Even moving flint or are very close to clinching the way the dodgers. Are you know why they may show that in the month of september. I don't think the dodgers would have any issues. Here's what putting him in the rotation in three to five or four out of seven series yeah. I mean look. I believe in the kid enough that you think he's part of your future. You you know they haven't been shy about any of their young guys over the last several years. Andrew freedman has done a really good job of giving those guys opportunities so walker a year ago correct correct so that's why i don't think any of that is out of the realm of possibility which is why i'm not. I'm not freaking out about a three game series in august. You know what i'm saying like like. That's just not where i'm going. You know now georgie. I would agree with you there. <hes> i you know yeah it was it was it was fun. It was a fun weekend series series that you don't always get in the middle of august so you know you get teams that don't play each other very often however have a long history of playing each other in the month stober and it makes fun. <hes> you know the uniforms notwithstanding would have been probably better to see traditional uniforms rather than <hes> <hes> what we had to put up with over the weekend but the players underneath the uniform are the guys that we will see. Should they face each other in october and that part. It's always fun. It's always fun when you get an electric series at any point in the middle of the season but i would not say oh that's it. The dodgers have no chance if they face the yankees in october over now. I don't don't kin to believe that because the dodgers rotation in a four out of seven series great pitching tends to be great hitting and i still i think that the dodgers would have the upper hand because of that rotation. The issue like i said a little while ago is more the back into the bullpen. Are they capable of just closing. Get out when they need to. I think the series was better for clayton kershaw than anybody. I know he got the loss but i think now he knows what the lofa lil low velocity kind of pitching but where he had what gave up three home runs watching yesterday and i'm like you gave up three home runs your posted be down by eight nine run but they're all solo shots so d lee think clayton kershaw now knowing that kinda lineup and what the american league will bring. He's been in the world series with him before. How does he now navigate this. I guess post season when he gets there then probably when he had the good stuff probably three or four years ago yeah look the clayton kershaw award. A superman cape is not there anymore more the thing with the guy who used to throw hard to can't reach the velocity anymore if they were pitchers to begin with they tend to have have very good careers when they lose their velocity and the reason is because they know how to pitch there's a difference and i've always been told this by people a lot smarter than me in the game. There's a difference between a pitcher and a thrower a girl were somebody who just has you know electric gas but doesn't it always know where it's going and doesn't know how to pitch and those guys tend to be comments. We just come and go the pitchers will always hang on even if they lose ticks on their velocity because they know how to pitch and clayton kershaw certainly qualifies as somebody that even when he had the ninety five ninety six mile an hour stuff they knew how to pitch so that's why he is still able to be successful without you know by only throwing ninety one miles an hour fastball all that fault now. You're gonna see a man who's gonna perform tonight. In concert who's seventy six years old as a lead singer. What the hell do you earn our. He is clearly lily a pitcher to throw her. That was the analogy i was getting. What the hell do you think you're going to be doing it. Seventy six years old you still going to be running around chasing murray man. I hope i'm standing up at pager. Enjoy the concert brother. Thank you so much for coming on. We love you getaway all right bro- i. I want to thank pedro gomez for joining us there. Wanna thank alden gonzales or stop by kirk morrison. Thank you my man all brother. Thank you for hanging out. Thank you guys tune in. It was good to be back. Hopefully my voice is a little better tomorrow all the screaming. I was doing over the weekend some college football game anyway. We'll talk to you. Mile lakers talk with alin. Sleep was up next year.

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Hour 1: More About Zion or LeBron?

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Hour 1: More About Zion or LeBron?

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Thank you for hanging with us next. Kellerman Stephen a Smith Molly Cam roads. We have an empty chair because Mike Greenberg will be here. I got all the heavyweights blizzard. Spring Hollywood you know changing seasons areas what you have to make an address greedy. Show starting your opened with a little shorter this morning. Bill Belichick would find me at this point but I'm here and I'm ready to go coughing. Forget it then you'd be done for all right guys. Let's talk some hope. So the king making it look easy without Anthony Davis who was sidelined with a sore knee. Lebron put up thirty four points. Twelve rebounds thirteen assists his thirty fourth career. Thirty point triple double third. Most all time behind Oscar Robertson and Russell Westbrook Zion. Meanwhile put on a show of his own putting up a career high thirty five Max. Kellerman talked me last night. More about Zion or Lebron Zion. They were both great. But what I take away from that Zion. He is a nine eighteen year old. Rookie year I know. They didn't have a D. And the Lakers one. I know the Pelicans are home. And what ever? The Lakers are the best team in the West at least in the regular season. The PELICANS ARE NOT A playoff team. I on his nineteen and Lebron James will wind up going down to the second greatest player next to Michael Jordan. Who ever lived in a great season for Lebron and science gave him thirty five points and it took a superhuman effort by Lebron beat them nineteen years old in many ways. There's no such thing as a perfect analogy of course but many ways it reminds me of Jordan and Kobe. I mean they were the same position same size. Kobe had the same game the whole thing. And then the All Star game when Colby was voted in wasn't even a starter a Kobe Jordan. Were going at each other and what Kobe was saying is I am here. I'm not waiting here like that message. Dwayne Wade gave the other day right. The cert yourself now. Science Williamson is the first guy since Lebron to come out. Words like wheat physically. This is something like in my lifetime. Physical Freaks Work Shack. Lebron and now Zion. They're just physically different than everyone else and designed to commit as Lebron inheritor in that way the wave. Kobe did with Jordan. And go out of like. This is a nine t mural the expectations. Zion's couldn't be higher and he's seen them. I agree with you I. We'll take that point a little bit further. Do you know what the difference was between Michael and Kobe. It was sixteen years with the age differences between Lebron and Zaylon. It's the same sixteen years and I took it sort of in the reverse way. Because everyone stephen at you and I remember this as well I'm used to working with no one. Whose design and is you'll remember how many people were going to be the next to. Michael and then. Kobe actually was and Michael acknowledged at Michael treated him like yes. You're the next me. I think this is Lebron. Making that statement with Zion. There's been a lot of guys who are going to be the next Lebron. We all remember when all these Ben Simmons was going to be the next half the league was going to be the next Lebron Zion Williamson while there are differences in their games for the reasons. You're pointing out Max. Because of their physical dominance and because of the overwhelming expectations with which they came into the League and the fact that he has managed to surpass them. I think that was the bronze way of saying you know what you really are. The next one. I think that in his own way respectfully. He's passing the torch. Well he might be passing the torch and you might be right about disguise. The next one. I'm not disputing that. But I think you're both wrong on this particular question about whether or not last night was about Zaire on all abroad. Let's understand something here. There was an individual that came into the League and took it by storm in one thousand nine hundred four by the name of Charles Barkley. Why was that relevant? He wasn't Michael Jordan. Whatever but he was around amount of rebound guess. What when he came down the lane people moved out of the way because he's a big boy. That's why we saw a very very powerful to white. How it gets moved by okay because you can't teach to eighty at the end of the day even though Lebron passing the torch. Let's understand why he's passing the torch because this kid is box office you know. He's box office. And so it's not just about your skill set but it's how you carry yourself and how you represent the game basketball and everything about this kid's demeanor points to that. I understand it but in the end you can't teach to eighty and anybody who has a skill set to eighty. You're gonNA give them props last night. That's where the question is last. Night is about a thirty five year old in his seventeenth season. That went into his bag. His ball handling skills is three point shooting because he shoot thirty five percent. Fifty point raises his passing ability his ability to finish at the basket to elevate to show. The athleticism would all of that mal on his body. All of that stuff just a couple of games ago. He actually sat out gay because of the Groin Injury and he sat out from Golden State. They won by thirty. Lebron James Comes back on the court. Look suspect against this. John Moran put on a show Saturday night with twenty seven fourteen. Then the very next night of back to back you still short without Anthony Davis in war lease. And what do you do? You put up a triple double your twelfth or thirteenth triple double of the season which leads the league by the way. This is what you're doing. High tide will Luca Right. And so you've got against Luca Against Cihan and against trae young. Lebron James is averaging the triple double. That's not the big deal to me. The big deal to me is that in his seventeenth year aged thirty five up. You're supposed to be fading and what you did. Last night was sated. A young Fella especially dude the futures yours but now is still the president is mind right but Zay on nineteen made Lebron go into his full arsenal full bag of tricks. He may he ends exceeding expectations. Yes no doubt because the whole thing. Lebron was built for ninety eight. Lebron was magic. Michael had a baby. It's Lebron James. He's built to dominate Zion. We were wondering. Does he have enough wiggle in his game to get in you know through traffic in the NBA can shoot it. Well enough is enough. Passer it set of all those things and by the way doesn't even shoot it yet and he made Lebron James in a year where people are saying he should be in the. Mvp Conversation play one of his best games of the year. And yes of your right Greenie afterward Lebron. Even the message she sends to the media about. Hey I'm GonNa talk it really what he's saying and I hate to bring it up here but it's been on my mind Jordan speech as a service for. Kobe was about the tears that were coming down. As it said everything about it said Jordan saying yes this was the guy and Lebron right from the outset is saying about signed. This is the guy. I'm just curious. You're not surprised by how he's doing. Exactly what were you expected him to be this good because he's to eighty. I know he can play. And I know he plays with veracity. Though the end of the day dirt particularly during a regular season if I saw Zion handling the ball and shooting threes okay. That would be a different ball game. What he's doing in terms of finishing at the basket his game with his back to the basket in the post area. How he's overpowering. People are absolutely but six weeks ago they were trying to teach him how to walk and now all of a sudden he's one of the three or four really most dominant player going in terms of not not where we're going in terms of the out. I don't mean the expectations coming off injury. Oh no I'm saying when he came into the League I expect. If he's on the court healthy he has done nothing. I'm GONNA has brought rookie. Where he's Abdul for twenty five points and seven boards as a nineteen year old rookie. That's beyond I take when he first got drafted and we will. We both prognosticate at what he was going to do. This season. I had him averaging twenty three and ten. It's not far off. It was what I say you were right then and I was dead wrong. I will admit it completely. Mike Schmitz the draft expert on our show on get up leading into the draft last year and he said to me Greenie ultimately Zion is a five in the NBA. And I remember thinking to myself this guy is no. What is he talking about? That's the most insane thing I've ever heard. But as you watch it now. It isn't so insane in a League where the Houston rockets are playing the swallow dominating Dwight Howard he is. He's the future of the five position in the NBA. And it wasn't just the White House. There was a couple of times. Lebron was on him in the post and of this is what he makes you feel his presence physically and did he elevate that's to his first game. They they guard each other sometimes. They actually went at each other sometimes question and it was a lot of fun for share. Always good to have you great every morning. Eight to ten before I take. We'll see you tomorrow when it comes to keeping Americans safe from corona virus. This is the sound of a president. We can't rely on the various doctors just like fluid people die from the flu. 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I'd like to go to Tokyo Stephen. I'm Steven what does this say about Katie? I don't know what it says about Casey. But I ain't happy about. Let me be very clear and I'm GonNa look right into the camera and say this to rich Klein and Kate. I know that Katie. Don't give a damn what anybody thinks his own man. He's going to do what he's going to do which clock. I don't WanNa hear that. The next are paying him. This superstar two-time Champions League. Mvp devotees game. Mrs Okay all this talk about a White Bra. Yawn said all along with Katie was of debt. Because let me tell you something. He'd be putting on Talk Guarantee You. He'd be averaging twenty seven seventy s after right up. I guarantee you. That booklet would be one of the top two teams. We're talking about in eastern conference. Brother was healthy. You out for the year totally understand. You're saying because I was sure bookmobile top to an easily that I believe that I personally believe we k. d. there would be talked to. I personally believe all this. I'm getting sick and tired of these guys. In this respect you do what you WANNA. Do you know why you can do what you want to. Because you get so much money. That's why well who's paying you who's cut knows checks it ain't Lympics USA basketball. No no no no no I need you WanNa caught playing for the people to pay you. Look around the bar. Cutting roughly paid d did the Katie with Katie. We got away so guess what. Oh now you come back in the first time folksy you as well Olympic basketball. How many damn gold medal do y'all me? Here that this listen ricotta stop it. Stop it I will say to you on an NBA court first period about USA basketball. No disrespect Jerry. Original no disrespect. I don't WanNa hear it down a notch. Yeah because because I feel kinda similar but let me start by saying Katie marches to the beat of his own drummer. Was this says more than anything but sometimes that beat. It could be a better one for him I think he has to make their own decisions. About what makes them happy? But when I look at K. D. and his goals my goals for him are not important to him. His own happiness is so that's fine but if we send our best guys to the Olympics. We always win if we send her. The only question with the Olympics is it always has been or. Are we going to send our best team or not when the United States sends their best team when we set win? And we don't have a chance to lose so okay. What does that really prove if he plays in the Olympic second thing? He has a chance to enter the conversation. Enter the car there's Jordan but like to enter the conversation with everybody else really truly not just hey does k. d. belong there but like when you talk. Lebron or anyone. You Must Talk K. D. and the way that he does that is if he returns let's say eighty percent of himself and leads the Brooklyn Nets to a championship. Then even though his goodest days maybe over his greatest ones can lie ahead. That's really great. That when he's not as good as he was he can prove he's greater than he's ever been because this is not riding a seventy three win team and Golden State to a champion basketball is going to do that. No no no. He's risking that. That's what I'm saying. He's risking it and and to the point about playing when other people say. Maybe you shouldn't do. That was initial before the final sank. Ad is risking catastrophic injury. That will compromise the rest of his prime and career. He should play. He played and precisely what I said would happen unfortunately play I would have played because I'm trying to win a championship. This what not to go all right. I'm gold medals. What happened he already got two championships to Katie? What half you compete in championship gold medals. No no that's what I'm saying. Okay of course not but he has to change this. The Olympics are July five months from now. Have you seen him workout. I've seen video of him workout. It's pretty damn impressive. Worries at so I look at it like this. I think you guys are doing a huge disservice to representing our country. I think you've taken it for granted. Stephen I don't think you understand what happened last time. We were in Olympics. And I'm sorry that Kevin Durant the guy who in the lockout season decide to play pick up basketball at DEICHMANN OR RUCKER. Park his love for the game that you guys can't look at that and say I had a problem. He wants it but you have a problem with this because he wants coming off in a row or gillies is the best way to ramp up for this season. He doesn't even play forty minutes a night. He can play limited minutes. And why wouldn't that be bad for Kevin Durant to lead the charge or other good players? Just say yes. Compla- USA Basketball Cumbria's in our country. And then he can come into the season with the ladder because he understands where his body is. Are you guys look at it like? Why can't you look at this? Or are you a proponent of you putting your salary for risk in any event you'll get hurt. Usa Pay you put if JOE owner. If I'm if I'm the owner I'm talking to my players saying let's think through this but if I give my player the blessing that he's allowed to do it so jealous. I look at the nets for a second week. Excuse the nets were championship to New York City since the for the first time in the NBA so when nineteen seventy-three with the injuries is a mess. The locker room stuff and now K. D. is GonNa look when you say work into a lather. It doesn't work like you get the surgery on this injury and then you come back the first year yourself at best. It's that first. Year is getting back and then when you were saying the same thing so he'll get himself ramped up to win a championship next year for the following year. It's not like going to hit the ground running next year. I'd pay average twenty seven next season. Back at my. I've just tell you the numbers the same numbers people he ain't goes slot offi hitmen because this brother is I mean. He's a marksman. I worried about that at all but I do say this again. You go sit up the income bat and put yourself in this position. Listen I have respect the USA basketball? Yes I'd know you excuse me. Excuse me with all due respect. My record speaks for itself in terms of how many years I've been on air talking about USA Basketball Coach K. With Jerry Colangelo by the way. I was an opposition for coach k. Coaching three times. I feel like with the greatest players in the world. One college coach shouldn't have a dominant presence. I that was unfair to the rest of the coaches at college basketball. Your former coach at Duke. Yes I said. I Love Coach Cape But in the end USA basketball we've reestablished dominance there are enough. We lost. Look this past summer. I mean nothing. Nothing we take up right now. We're the top if you pick some of the best players in the NBA. And what does it mean? T only get one. Don't WanNa do it. Let's take it back to the once. Upon a time we started losing it basketball because we sent our amateurs over. So we've sent the Dream Team right then. We established when we send our best players. We win then. Little by little there's attrition. We proved that point and when we send our best players. We don't win. Do we really need jd on demand? So you don't think play five on five. Pick up basketball and Brooklyn when he's here this summer. Just how different different when you get her thing. You risk of getting hurt sit exactly the same Max. No it's not exactly. It's not so wait wait let me let me ask you a question. Do you play summertime. Pick up basketball MAX. Okay so if you're playing over in Brooklyn you're not playing against other top players. You're playing against assistant coaches. You're playing against guys. 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Then leave posts standing in the tunnel super bowl Sunday and the comments that he won't be in a blazer next super bowl and now the public face time of Mike able to call troops game in cringing at Julian Edelman stating he'll be back in New England. Tom Brady's known to keep a low profile during his illustrious twenty year career appears to be a bit more visible now gentleman and more open as of late as he enters free agency for the first time in his career March seventeenth. Orlovsky here with US X. Good Morning I'm looking at you with this new Brady. That's a good question I think about. I compare Tom Brady. Certain respects to Kobe. And to Derrick jeeter and towards the end of their careers Derek. Jeter and Kobe. Oh great franchise guys and everything did everything. They could behind the scenes in front of his to bring pressure to bear on their teams to keep them right where they were at a very high price point to like. That's what happened. The Yankees didn't make love Jere Yankees. Didn't make the playoffs JEETER's last season. Why because they paid Derek jeter and hit second in the lineup and played them at shortstop and he wasn't good enough anymore and that was part of a three year deal where he's still got paid Kobe because of the recent tragedy. You don't but same thing got was really paid. Top Notch player. Even when he was hurting it was hard for them to get on the court and everything and Kobe and jeeter behind. The scenes did everything they could to make to bring pressure to bear. What happened last time? When belichick was getting ready to move onto Garoppolo with that season he was clearly grooming him. Tom Brady you did an end around. Belichick owner and they bounced Garoppolo. Who is in the Super Bowl by the way this year in the super bowl with a chance to win it with a ten point? Lead late really. That's what we go yup absolutely so now. The cupboard is bare for the Patriots and Breezy wants a commitment from belichick and Bella. Chick won't give it to them. So what's he doing with public pressure to bear on the Patriots that you tell me tells me he actually wants to stay whatever messages. He's sending out emissaries behind the scenes and all that stuff actually wants to stay but he wants the Patriots to commit Belgium's not going to do it. He's bringing pressure to bear more visible and on absolutely well. How does that Bella Chicken Raft? I'm really going to go here. I'm really going to go there. Actually the problem is the Patriots. They don't have enough the Patriots. Don't have enough. The Patriots have an elite defense and by the way in the last eleven seasons how many times outside receiver led the Patriots in anything like zero. It's always a slot receiver or a tight end and undrafted guy or a guy drafted in the seventh round and usually what Belgium does. He has a threat on the outside. But usually it's not in the league guys just an outside threat those guys you can acquire when I'm hearing stuff like well. He has to go out and get an elite top five outside receiver. No he doesn't. He never like Randy. Moss and a couple of examples usually. That's not how the Patriots do it but Brady needs much more around him now. So so that's why people are really saying that he can't get it done with what he's you normally gotten done. And he has successfully changed. Focus around from what he can't do what the Patriots don't have patriots largely resemble the team named normally resemble but Brady has faded. He's bringing pressure to bear. I'm belichick and kraft public pressure to try to stay in. Fact is my belief for my response to us. You need to make up your mind because just a couple of weeks ago. I recall you saying that. Brady obviously is on the outs with bill. Belichick Bill Belichick did not want them and Brady is looking to move on because excuse me sit up the bill belichick and Bill. Belichick does want you. That's what you said. Now you're telling me he really wants to stay so what I'm saying. Just what you just said you just talked about wanting to stay and this is all to be honest to bring public pressure down on bill. Tom Brady being beloved. Is nothing new to Tom? Brady matter of fact I think if anything you could make an argument this is definitely as agent. 'cause he looked very very uncomfortable there to be quite honest. This is somebody on the outside. I E R agent ever really compelling him to do what he's doing but what it really comes down to in terms of New England patriots. Who Do they have? Jared worsted them out of a fourth round. Pick not say anything because the radio was a sixth round. But the point is you have your relationship with craft. You don't have a Garoppolo waiting in the wings per se. I think Brady knows that if he wants to stay he can stay. It's just that again. You don't mind being out there front and center and feeling the love and entertaining the possibility of moving beyond New England because of your personal relationship with Bill Belichick. I don't think he's trying to convince anybody of anything he knows. He's beloved. Mr Cramp definitely loves them and wants him to stay. The issue is him and Bill Belichick and we all know that the crowd ain't GonNa Affect go check. Not One bit bill to give a damn what anybody on the outside. Do you think he's out. Don't fear change fear being the exact same spot next year that you are right now and I think that's Tom Brady's mindset and that's why he's looking at the Patriots. We can be honest when we look at New England right now. We're starting skill players today. Are Julian Edelman. Who was beat up last year and his aged it is Nicole Harry Mahama's news getting surgery matlock costs and James White. That's what Tom Brady right today. Has to go back to skill payer wise in New England. Aj Green has been tagged in Cincinnati. He Ain't owning New England. Amari Cooper is knocking Dallas. So Tom Brady has to look at the Patriots in. It's not whether he trusts. Robert Kraft or he trusts bill. Belichick it's really do. I Trust Emmanuel Sanders. Because that's the next best option at wide receiver. I don't think they can afford Emmanuel Sanders and Tom Brady. The second thing is this. This is the first time since Tom Brady. In the last twenty five years I've been courted. This is being recruited all over again. He was recruited by all. The big schools. Ends up going to Michigan. He has not been recruited as an athlete. Since that moment he's always actually been asked to take less than he's been deserved now. He's the first time in twenty five years. He's getting the opportunity to be recruited. This is exactly what Tom Brady and vision. This is what he said his contract up to be this way. I mentioned the skill people back in New England. Then the next step is this. They don't have that much money to spend the most money and that's not a lot so you're looking at it going. Wait if we pay Tom Brady what he wants you. There's not a lot of people who pay here and hang on. There's not a lot of money to pay people. Second of all they have one pick in the top eighty draft again. Where how were you going to make Tom Brady feel like he won't experience last year again and they play the hardest schedule football next year? So I think Tom Brady at Patriot. Fans need to get to this point of realizing. Wait Tom. Brady's embracing change and we better get comfortable with the idea. Because the interaction with Juliana at OMON when your children decide at some point to make you food and watching the make it and you go. That'S GOING TO BE DISGUSTING. And then your kid asks you to eat it and you have to say it's GonNa be like. Hey Mom and Dad. How does it taste like It tastes great even though it tastes terrible. That's what it looked like right there. Look like you're coming back. And he's like this where you and I differ number one. When Tom Brady was at his height he was able to take mediocre receivers and make them look really good. That's gone right. He just had the problem with the Patriots last year. Going into the season we felt about them the way we normally felt about them the last five or ten years right. Maybe they don't have the talent this year but then cooler heads would say every year we say that and then they're they are in the AFC championship game so last. But what did they do? They wrote in elite defense and Ios five that elite defense. That you mentioned five guys afraid that happens all the time with the Patriots to Belichick figures it out. Suddenly we don't have faith in Bellichik. No no in fact that narrative has been turned around and that's Brady putting public pressure on Belgium and changing the focus to Belgium and thereby ensuring that you think Brady wants to go back to New England. I think his preference would probably be that. The Patriots made a real big commitment him. I think they're going to come out but I think that would be profusely. Your argument makes no sense. First of all. You've repeatedly acknowledged. Bill Belichick doesn't give a damn about what the public thinks you talk about the depression that craft with impose upon. It's already there. It's always been there. It's been there from the time that he was willing to get rid of Garoppolo. It's repeatedly been now. Kraft may not sweat. Crap may not get involved in the money they meaning that it bill belichick says. Excuse me we don't need to compromise our cap because it's such such a reason. He might not come. Brady's defense in that regard but in terms of wanting brady not wanting to move brady making clear to Brady Hugh or who we want. We want you to retire Patriot. We don't ever want you and another uniform. There is nothing more that craft can do to check then has not done brady might feel. I went to the well once when Belgium was grooming Garoppolo. I can't necessarily do that again. And get the kind of commitment that I want when he feels brady fears. Is this being in the same situation. Really? Didn't play like an elite quarterback last year. This defense made elite the defense click. Let's just be honest. He was there. Were worse quarterback that was cleared. Good agreement another football team. He was not only quarterback last year he was missing is everywhere. You could miss a guy come I read. I was playing his best life. And he's enjoying this process of free agency. Africa somewhere Steph. And now another edition of obvious news from GEICO experts. 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Weekly Rewind 11/11 - 11/15

First Things First

29:36 min | 1 year ago

Weekly Rewind 11/11 - 11/15

"Patriots it ain't GonNa be best record in the AFC preparing to face. This Carson Wentz in the Philadelphia Eagles but are they your best team in the NFL. Nick no there shortly. This is not a standings that is a power rankings. These are the best teams in football. One might ask why. Why don't I do ten? Why are new five thirty two team league? Eight is one quarter of that so the top quarter of the NFL. We will start with these seven. Three Minnesota Vikings the Minnesota Vikings have wins over the raiders. The Eagles and the cowboys since Kirk cousins had a near mutiny to me on his hands he has been statistically one of the very best quarterbacks and football but most importantly that man right there Christian McCaffrey has gotten the headlines. Understandably but Alvin Cook has an argument that he has been the best running back in the NFL. The Vikings to me or number eight Brian Westbrook. I could make an argument that they should be a lot higher. Listen anytime that you can run the football and stop the run in November and December that. That's going to bode well for you. You add to that two very good receivers when you had feeling back in Kirk cousins now has showed that he can win in Prime Time Games. This team certainly should be a little bit hired. Well so then you're not going to like this because the I think there's only seven teams. That can actually win the Super Bowl and we will start with number seven the Kansas City chiefs. They are listened. They have the worst record of anyone on this list. They also have some of the best wins of anyone on this list. They have beaten the Ravens. They have beaten the Vikings with a backup quarterback. They've also beaten the all of a sudden relevant Oakland raiders. We saw that. Patrick Mahomes is going to be no worse for the wear after the knee injury. The problem for this while their upside is still as high as any team in the league. Their downside is lower than the downside of most of the teams on this list as as we saw in the waning moments against him. See but can't city absolutely can still win the Super Bowl. I got him at number seven. You know I love Kansas City. That love Andy Reid to problems with them. They can't run the ball if fishing and they can't stay committed to the run and they can't stop the run on the defensible. That defense is a big time question. Mark Patrick Mahomes was great last week. They still you lost because their defense couldn't get a stop loss that the chiefs aren't number one. Just for whatever reason I sit next to present day number six number six. You'RE GONNA meet a loss again. The New England patriots the Patriots Streets are eight and one you might say they should be higher. I would say why like just make the argument that doesn't have to do with. What their record is they have this season one a quality win? It is over the buffalo bills. Tom Brady has been it right now. Statistically an average quarterback across the board but that defense is statistically historically great. Now they're about to pay much tougher test the reason they are as high as they are despite the question about the offense is because because they have the greatest coach ever that defense I think will travel everywhere and Brady I do think is holding something a little in reserve for the postseason. I thing some of the plays where he's throwing away going down in the playoffs he'll take that hitting deliver that pass but right now I've got number six big time question mark about the pages. How do they come back? And how would they played this week facing eagles. How do they respond after getting beat up Lamar Jackson that Baltimore Team Ken that often it offense? Get better and who's going to be the guy that they're going to both throw the ball to in critical situations gronk no longer there number. Five is the team with the best record in the NFL. The San Francisco Forty niners. They're also Eytan in one. Their schedules been soft up to this point. Their best win is against the Kyle and lead Carolina Panthers. We know how great that pass rushes last week notwithstanding and we know how excellent in the running game is the questions about that man. You're seeing right there. He only four quarterbacks in football have more turnovers this year. Jamie's jared Eric Golf Baker Mayfield and Daniel fumbles. Those are the four guys so eight. Can you be one of the very best teams in the league with your quarterback on that list in order to be you have to be great everywhere else. They are great everywhere else. That's why I've got him at number five. You run the football. They Stop the run big time question mark at the quarterback position in in critical situations. Your quarterback has to play. Well Jimmy G. Question what lifetime where the niners ahead of the Patriots on a list that you got this year number four number four. The team that just pizza is a San Francisco. Probably should have been a tie San Francisco butcher that it's the Seattle seahawks. They've got the league. Mvp Up to this point. They never have a down season. They they now. Most importantly Brian are really alive to win. That division host a playoff game held. They're alive for a by at this point something that seemed impossible just ninety six hours ago. Seattle's number four good defense in the quarterback is playing out of his my MVP level. If you had that guy will reliable Russ. That's the guy that can win you any game. Go ahead the teams that have been the three best teams in football this season number three the Baltimore Ravens. They have to exceptional wins over Seattle and over the Patriots Patriots. Lamar is playing out of his mind. The defense rounding into form number one offense in the NFL in points number two in yards. But the defense with additional Marcus Peters with Earl Thomas Getting fully indoctrinated into the defense would Jimmy Smith coming back. That Devon's looking a lot more like the old ravens defense. This is a dangerous dangerous vocal vocal scoring attactive. Attacking active defense always wins in the playoffs. You got a dangerous quarterback as well you're going to see the one two three and four with these teams the best player in each to them. WHO's number two number? Two the New Orleans Saints drew brees drew. BREES hasn't had to be the best player thus far this year he will be later in the year they have an excellent win over the seahawks early in the season they beat the Texans and that thrilling week one game they beat the cowboys. They survived without drew. Brees they they have the opportunity to have the playoffs. Go through the superdome. We know how valuable that is. They for a lot of people they would be number one and I wouldn't Parse it too much to me. They've been the second best team in football. This questions questions about the saints can they. Can they have a consistent run game. How good is that defense in? Can they get a deep threat. Do they have the ability to throw the ball. Deep Kim drew brees get the ball down the field pick pick before the season started. I assume you're picked today as we sit here right now is certainly my pick out of the NFC on four. I picked up before the season started was the chiefs but I had them and I still have have them by the way take integrity playing in the Super Bowl. The eight and two Green Bay packers now. The packers statistical profile is of good not great team. But they're wind. Profile is is so far and away better than every other team in football. They've beaten the Vikings to cowboys the raiders the chiefs and the Carolina Panthers that is five wins against teams with winning records and beaten. The bears were alive team. The lions were alive team. They're easiest win against the Broncos and even though there stats aren't dominant. We know that Aaron Rodgers address can be dominant. They also have a chance to have a bye for the first time in six in five years this to me has been the most impressive team in the NFL. Raja's has trusted the process. He's trusted matlock. Florida say listen. We're going to run the football a little bit. We're going to get our backs involve. Airwaves doesn't have to be the focal point. All the time the pack deserve the packers biggest issue was going to be the relationship between the two of them. That is just another live now all right onto the NFC east's now seven seven weeks left in the regular season. We know the division will come down to a two team race eagles and cowboys both sitting at five and four but with Dallas coming off a loss in the eagles stringing two wins together Jerry Jones knows quote. Philadelphia is coming. Chris Kanye who will win the NFC. Do you think the cowboys or the eagles. I'm still leaning towards the cowboys. Just because the cowboys have had so much success in the deck Prescott Zeke Elliott era against the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean you look at their last ten matches it's it's been and one sided affair and the Dallas cowboys. This team finds ways to be able to give the Philadelphia. Eagles fits and starts with. Zeke Elliott I think everybody understands that. He's the engine for that offense but in that game on Sunday. Night Jenna Mike Zimmer and the Minnesota Vikings defense they were intent on taking away and they come the Dallas cowboys. Ah Boys and they did and Dak prescot couldn't go out there and beat them. Although he played a magnificent game it came down to Jason Garrett in his play calling or lack thereof in the final two minutes said the game for inexplicably handball. Zeke Elliott twice being down by four points. It just didn't make any sense. Those those two runs had a negative three yards net. So I just I I look at this situation when everybody knows that. They're trying to take Zeke away. What can back Prescott and Dallas cowboys offense to and so far? They haven't been able able to answer that question in the affirmative at least not to the level that you would expect a championship contender so for me. After last at last Sunday's game I still have the same questions about the Dallas cowboys. Going into the second half that I had coming into the season. which is can't Jason Garrett? Be The difference in a positive way when you're planning against quality competition. Can this team team overcome adversity and injuries. When you're not whole can you go out there and play at a high level against good competition and then can Dak Prescott consistently play at a championship level level? Those are still the three questions that have yet to be answered in a positive way for the Dallas cowboys. Were hoping to see at some point but up until this point in the season and they haven't shown us anything that will lead us to believe that those questions are going to be answered in a positive but you're still leaning them slightly leaning that way slightly just by default because the Philadelphia Eagles have been so inconsistent this season as well and to your point about Dallas Dominating Philly in the Zeke Era Zeke's never lost philly five in his career in the five games. He's obviously missed a couple of them that they've played since he's come into the league. Here's the reason why I'm still with Philadelphia and I was with the Philadelphia before the year they were or so disheartening early. You wanted to abandon them but they were never able to lose contact with Dallas. I think Philly could lose to Dallas in week sixteen and still still win this division I don't think that any longer. They have to get the split. I you look at Philly and you say okay in the final seven games. They have four games teams that even as inconsistence they've been you'd be shocked if they lost. Those Games are of course against Miami two games against the giants and Washington. So if they're sitting at five wins if they just have to not fall over themselves to to get to nine thin even if they lose to Dallas they can win this division. Now wherever wins this division is going to be a nine or ten when team that is going to be at home in the first round against an eleven or twelve win team that doesn't win the NFC west one of those teams. We saw all last night is getting into being an overqualified wildcard team. Probably a road favorite in the first round of the playoffs against one of these two teams but Dallas phillies. Already through the gauntlet would of their schedule. Dallas is just now beginning to gauntlet of their schedule. Which is why them be both being five and four even with Alice right now? Having the head to head to me that favors Philadelphia a little. thea and the other name. You mentioned that I think is a huge right now. A huge feather and phillies cap is the head coach of the cowboys Jason Garrett and Doug the Peterson might not be the top five coach. He appeared to be after they won the Super Bowl. But I trust Doug Peterson in game management. I Trust Peterson as far as understanding. How to put his team in tight spots at the end in a better position than I trust Jason? Garrett the cowboys this year Oh in three in one score four games they had a close one against New Orleans. Couldn't pull it off. They had a close one where they could have forced overtime. It's the jets. And if they force overtime they win that football game against the jets in my estimation and they throw a pass the Jason witten and then two days ago they have the game against Minnesota. which is there for the taking and said after the game? I missed this yesterday but I read the quote this. It's morning after the game deck said Yeah. I think you know we don't want to leave too much time on the clock there four or four Minnesota. But you're you're worried that is the ultimate the definition putting the cart before the horse. Six you got to score then worry about leaving in fact while you're trailing you need to. You need scores quickly as possible because if you don't score keeping Mining Dallas did get the ball back but they only had seventeen seconds. Had they not been as worried about grinding the clock even if they fail on that at thirty second third and fourth down maybe forty five seconds. Well maybe they have a minute left for dextra pull up some heroic so even though thus far this season Dak has been better than Carson Wentz went and that was an advantage that I gave the Philadelphia going into the year holistically as a total I still believe in the Philadelphia Eagles. A lot of people would say the being the season that Carson wentz would would probably somehow edge out DAK Prescott at least a little bit just from what we've seen the last couple years. Take the head to head out of it. You look at both of these teams. They're both stacked at the skill positions. They they both got tons of talent and you both teams have been so inconsistent this season. Does it come down to the quarterbacks and who you trust more down the stretch is the thing I think caused some wins from. I'm an ability standpoint. This has more than Prescott but the conversation is about the intangibles which quarterback is able to bring out the best in his guys most consistently and I'd probably lean slightly towards Dak in that regard now as far as causing wins. The questions have been about his being able to be able to help you stay healthy for his team and be available but these two guys are both healthy then. Yeah I think he'd be a closely contested race in. It'll come down to that. We'd sixteen match but the Dallas cowboys to me. The biggest question question is the head coach. And Nick talked about some of the sequencing with playcalling. But I mean you had the first possession in that fourth quarter against the Vikings. We had the ball first and goal at the six six yard line. You got to settle for a field goal or even going back to the first possession that you had in the game where you get the ball in plus territory and you try to go for Brett Maher fifty seven in your field ends up being wide left by eighteen feet. I mean in that situation you have to think of you got second and six. Maybe this might be down territory. But again it goes back to the overall game management of Jason Garrett and I think that's why we see some question marks regarding his future in Dallas and why Jerry Jones is not giving them the contract extension did Jerry Jones is not sold on Jason Garrett continuing to be his head coach because a good coach finds ways for his team to be more competitive consistently and a good head. Head coach finds ways to put his team in position to win. Football Games and the cows cowboys have not done that. Routinely throughout the course of this is to answer your question directly agenda thus as far this season taxman head and shoulders better than Carson Wentz. When you when you look at the numbers if the cowboys were just six three? Let's say they just won the jets game then Dax name would would be included in that second tier. MVP conversation so far this year because the numbers. He's top five in the League in nearly every relevant passing category so I want to give him credit for that. The reason I can't trust Dallas aside from the head. Coach is because aside from the Philly win their wins have come over four wins against. It's three terrible teams to against the giants won against Miami and the one that I'm leaving out. That was against so late. If they are going to get to the nine wins they need even if we give them the Philly win. Okay they also get Washington. Let's give them those two wins. Detroit has not been an awful team. This year will see Stafford's back. They have New England. They have buffalo they. They've Chicago. WHO's alive team? Assume Bisky doesn't kill him and the rams while wildly underachieving the the they have a winning record. Thus far this season like the cowboys are going to have to do in the second. I can have something. They were totally unable to in the first half meet some good football teams and I don't know that I believe they came so here we go back here first things first. We are joined now by Yahoo Sports senior writer Vincent Goodwill One the office next to a spider man villain this morning. Oh what ask you listen. He's always try to bring it no turtleneck today. He's right on the where he's looks. Great Hugo you hearing of any let's talk some Lakers and warriors. No Anthony Davis for LA. He was dealing with rib and shoulder. Injuries no anybody other than Daniel Russell. Golden Golden State. They'll be dealing with that all season. No surprise the Lakers deal the warriors. A one twenty two ninety four beat down but the bigger story came before the game. mm-hmm when Anthony Davis was asked about being the number one guy ahead of Lebron. Take a listen to what he had to say. It was tough one because I've never done on any New Orleans but but that's because like eighty you had to you know now is like all right. Well the you know and and when he came. Nah Aw this is yours. My I'll play the second guy I want. We're going to you now. The art well and then. There's the Lakers so now. Aw come to the Lakers bigger spotlight media's bigger you know do they have what it takes come all right man. I had to really like my. I hate around okay to be going to be funnier. Vinny you really bind. Lebron is the number to the Anthony Davis. Okay so I see. I've seen that a couple of times this week. Ed that sounds Nice is a generous gesture right. But there's there's no way that if Lebron is as great as we believe that he is historically and nick you believe he's the greatest player I have them at worst in the top five. You look through history and say that there's a top five player historically that takes a backseat while in or near. His Prime Kareem Magic Nick. Michael Lebron whoever whoever you put in there there's never been a person who will willingly take spot back to number two now you can do one a one. B Like Shaq and. Kobe pulse their first championship season. But no I think here's why I think Lebron said that Anthony Davis entertainment of you said that there was like a mentor to me. And Derrick rose is five years removed from Lebron James being drafted so imagine the esteem that he holds Lebron James then so Lebron had to make sure that from a generational uh-huh standpoint here that he knew that Anthony Davis felt as invested and also as you know welcomed in that new environment with all the drama. That happened the year before so so that he could be his full self and Lebron knows that he can't do this for eighty two games every night and then twenty games and win a title. He's not at that point of his career anymore but he still going to have to be to got it. Everything runs to if the Lakers are going to win. ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE RIGHT SO a couple of notes here one is by the way shout Shamsher Rania forgetting I mean that was great stuff up by him and he does a great job in general the and I'm not going to Parse with you the cream magic thing because I feel like there was a brief period where they're both in their prime and someone had take a back seat but I you get the point. The the overall point that you're making but this is why Lebron in addition top-five Jenner's into being the greatest player ever. He's the smartest is player ever. Anthony Davis needed to hear this. Anthony Davis honor contract. After the season the Lakers got no play. If he walks now how he is not going to walk is not planning on walking but neither Anthony Davis nor rich Paul have ever won said. He's a luck to resign there now. I feel he's he's lock to resign there because lebrons going to massage and handle the situation perfectly and Anthony Davis by the way will lead the Lakers points. This year he will be the focal point scoring wise of their offense but and at one point because Lebron plans on playing at least this season plus three more hopes to be four or five more because he's holding onto hope he could one day be on the same court his son even if it's on opposing teams. He knows the timeline is at some point whether that's year. Nineteen or twenty or twenty one. He won't be in his prime any longer. He's already extended his prime longer than any player. They are other than Karl Malone in. NBA History but at some point. Anthony Davis will actually be the number one but right now he can be the number one in name. Lebron still has to run the team. Lebron James still has to run the offense and Lebron James still has to run the behind the scenes aspects. which a lot lot of this was? It's the same thing with trying to give him his Jersey number. It's these little things to make it. Clear amy logical warfare. A little not warfare is not the word I would use psychological whatever a positive version of war because like the the where he wants. Anthony Davis to feel like a man. You are not robbing because Anthony Davis is too who good and too young compared to soon to be thirty five year. Old Lebron James to be Robin even if when we're watching the games were like Robin. He's an overqualified Robin. And so yeah. I don't buy it but I understand why he did it. And I think it was calculated and I think it's the right move. Don't you think it's eerily familiar to what D. Wade told Lebron when they had the big three join. dwayne Wade said. Hey I'm giving you the keys man. This is after an yes after that was when they started take off. That's when they actually started to win. I think the impact impact on the Braun and he saw what that meant for him personally is probably similar to why he did this with the saying. You know what. I don't think anybody's going to question. Who the Alpha's in there who the leader is? The face of that franchise is who's going to have their ball in their hands at the end of games now the thing has always done. He's going to make the best decision -sition basketball decision late game situations so I think from that standpoint. Nobody's buying hey all of a sudden. Anthony Davis is going to be e-p-o-c-h appointed this offense just by the nature of positions But I think this was a significant gesture from Lebron to boost up. Anthony Davis has confidence and belief in this team at some point. There's going to be like you said there's going to be today. We're Lebron is not the greatest he he doesn't take the most oxygen in the room and how he had just two that is going to play on who plays with him who plays lays next to him and how his career sort of slides on a decline. He's on a decline now but it's a very slow decline is not fast. It's not an Alan Iverson client. There's not a little anthony declined. You notice it just being so obvious. So he's making sure that his hickory. His career Sherry extends more and longer than anybody else. Yeah I don't understand. Where is Anthony Davis besides scoring the number one on this team? Oh that's the only place it's the only place and he might be he but he has to be able to have a leadership role empowered by Lebron if for no other reason than age then because there are so coups was the going to be the third leading score on this team. I don't use third. Most important was going to be. Thirdly score coups was going to be able to relate a lot more than Anthony Davis the knees to Lebron off the court lifestyle like there there is the father other of three married element of this and Anthony. Davis has to be empowered in all those ways and I believe the Lakers don't win the championship this year here and they can win the championship and I believe will win the championship with Lebron being the best player on their team and in the league but if they're going to win multiple championships at some in point it's going to have to because Anthony Davis is the best player on their team and in discussion for best player in the League. Because Jaanus is only getting being better the clippers while I'm not as high as others. They at least have a three year window of extreme relevant. I think the rockets are scary. Luca is coming like a damn rocketship like the these are and you're right. Lebron is slowly deteriorating. But I mean if you were at the peak of Everest and you come down a little bit. You're still at the highest point in the world all of anybody so like that's where he is but at some point he goes down further. And that's winning. Anthony Davis has to meet him on his way to the summit and he can't do that until two things have happened won. The bronze empowered him and to Anthony. Davis has been on a real playoff run. That's the other element of this. We have to wait and see. See where how Anthony. I think the best version ran the neighbors will ever see. We'll be the beginning of next season whether they win the title or not once he has the real experience of those fifteen to twenty five playoff games. What it's like in that cauldron and what he becomes coming out and make no mistake? They can't win if Anthony. Any Davis is playing a subservient role. Lebron they have to win because he feels like he is on an equal level if not a higher plane from an all around standpoint point as Lebron he's going to be the defending blocking shots setting the defense up. Lebron is not gonNA play that level of defense and he's not going to be able to maintain a certain level of play for this this entire season and also the playoff nick. I I don't think that we can discount the amount of amount of miles on his body so far and how how much that's taken a toll on him to this same talk you and I had in the beginning you could be my one day. I'll be one onto New England patriots. They're using their bye week to stay out of the headlines. Unless of course you consider a potential return of ROB Gronkowski newsworthy reports. Are that last season when Gronk enquist cleaning out his locker Robert Kraft came up to him told him he wanted the tied into return for November December and a playoff run this season so so coach to the Patriots Need Gronk to return for them to lock up their seventh lombardi trophy. Let's so interesting that somehow people brought what was said last year at the end of the season as an into this moment those things are said and and they're they're offhand remark would would be a great addition to New England. Yeah he'd be a great addition but when you see on TV and you see the things he's doing it doesn't look like he's spending a ton of time in the weight room in doesn't look anywhere near what he looked like when he was playing football. It's not that had easy just to jump back on the field especially if you're a guy who has a history of injuries you haven't been training for football and then suddenly everybody thinks that you're gonNA come in and be able to performance a high level. It's not easy to do. I'd be shocked if they even get close to talking about it and by the way there's a drop dead date for this shortly it wrote a few days after after Thanksgiving is when if he's not back on the roster by then he's not able to come back this season for the playoffs so this isn't something that in the middle of December he could decide. You know what just for the offs so we'd have a few weeks to know whether this is or isn't happening. I would be shocked if he comes back. Not only because what we see him doing with Fox a couple months months ago The Maverick Lebron show the shop was taped here in New York City and I was at the taping and Gronk was there. Cronk seemed so happy with what he's doing right now so and all of his public comments are public and private comments. It would appear are that football was wearing on that now. That doesn't mean he won't physically but no that's what I mean mentally that the grind of it that he needed a break from it. What are you laughing about coach? We'll look sometimes. I was in a great situation because Gronk just being able to be rock at some other team might not have been the best thing for his career. Sure he goes New England where where things there are set in stone and there's a way to do things and that discipline. I think that helped him significantly but it is hard. It is hard in New England. And so and so. There's there's the brutality of football you no matter who you play for especially the way grunt plate which was the as bruising of style as a tight end in the modern. NFL can play and a great blocker and the guy who went over the middle and took it you saw the body armor. He would have at this point in his career and the mental. Part of it. which you're talking about which is day in day out doesn't doesn't matter that on a per game basis he might be the best tight end ever that he's still? He's one of fifty three in the meeting room. So I do not believe Rob Gronkowski's coming back this year. I do believe there's a reason all of a sudden the story came up is because people are starting to realize something that I've been saying for the better part of six weeks. This patriot. Offense is mediocre this Patriot. Offense needs an injection of talent. It needs not only injection of pass catching but of blocking. Tom Brady needs someone that can give him a little extra time in in the pocket. And that's sometimes was rob. Gronkowski wasn't just that he was the guy they went to on the third and got to have. It's it's that he was the guy who helped set the edge on their running place so so with no James Devlin with the injuries on the offensive line with the rotating cast of characters. They've had a tight end. You know why they would want even seventy five percent Rob Gronkowski I. I just don't think rob Gronkowski has any inclination to play football again this season. Now I'm not saying he will never come back but I don't this season. It would be shocking to me now. Now they have had an infusion of talent they picked mom Nicole. Harry is going to be back here at some point. Ben Watson is starting to get more incorporated into the the system. It's just hard for a guy to come off the street and performance level that he's used to perform yet especially with with his injury history and especially in the system. Let's as demanding as New England's is in out of the fact that you haven't been working out you haven't been training liquor football player so it's hard to believe he could come back and make a meaningful contribution Thank you for listening to the first things first. PODCAST remember. Leave us a review and tell us what you think. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple podcasts and catch us on F. Just one Monday through Friday. Six Thirty A._M. Easter.

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