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The is the Doria Mel podcast with dR Noga and Mel kiper junior every year as we get closer to the NFL draft. I always looked for the great stories and probably my favorite story that I've heard so far is actually coming from our next guest starring Melanie SPN radio ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty I met Jones filling in for Dr this presented by progressive insurance. And all of our guests will appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. And we have one now this is join us as David sills. He is the in the NFL draft is wide receiver. He was also a wide receiver at West Virginia. David thank you very much for your time. Yeah. Thank you for having me. No been awesome journey. Thank you for having me on the show who let me give you a little bit of your background for people who don't know, you were somebody that entered sort of came on our radar screen along time ago because as a seventh grader you were offered a scholarship from lane kiffin when he was at USC, and you played through your high school career sort of with that target on your back and had a very successful great high school career you went to west you ended up going to West Virginia and playing quarterback. And while you were there you were on the scout team as a wide receiver people really liked how you played wide receiver you ended up actually playing a little bit. Then you went to El Camino junior college back to West Virginia as a wide receiver that journey is a fascinating journey and part of it was moving positions. How did that work for you to sort of accept and come to grips with being a wide receiver as you're sort of talent for the next level? Bill. You know, it really has been a while journey, and you know, my freshman year when I when I got a switch to receiver. I I was kind of like, okay, whatever I gotta do to help the team. You know, I'll do it. So burn my red shirt at that time. There was no, you know, none of the four game you can play four games, but still rich or rule. So once you played, you know, your red shirt was burned. So I played after four games going into the season. Then I sat out and was read trading so played my fifth game against Baylor and played, you know, pretty well didn't really know what I was doing out there. You know, didn't didn't really know the kind of technique and everything like that. Kinda just went off there off of you know, athleticism, and you know, what I thought I knew about receiver, you know. But at that time, it was pretty much, you know, just doing what I could to help the team in any way possible. We went through a pretty tough stretch of games that that that in that time period. I think we went. Oklahoma, Oklahoma state Baylor and TCU all back to back when they were all like, you know, top fifteen teams, you know. So after the seas after that season, I told coach overs in. I said, you know, I wanna go back to quarterback. I I, you know, told you when I started to play receiver. I said, you know after the season I still wanna go back to quarterback. And you know, he said that was fine and everything and when I went back quarterback and did spring ball, and and all the workouts and everything they kind of saw what I was already doing receiver, and they already had that in their in their head like, you know, you're you're going to be a receiver for us. We don't, you know, have any other plants. Yeah, they're like we like it's nice that you wanna play quarterback. But we want you to play receiver. So they that's very nice what you'd like. But we're the Cote. Yeah. I it got to a point where you know. I was doing spring ball and doing you know, half quarterback in the quarterback meanings. But then, you know, going out there receiver and seven or seventeen periods and it got so. A point where I was doing, you know, half a vote and not being able to get better at either one you know, so after spring ball. That's when I made the decision to go to to go to a junior college. Which was you know, it's tough decisions. It's tough to be able to leave a place. That's comfortable. You know, where you're on scholarship. You know, have you know, the coaches believe you have bright future there to leave and go be able to follow your dream. You know and figure out that you you go to junior college and you'll play ten games at quarterback, you know, played. Well, it just the recruiting at the junior college level was a lot different than it is out of high school. And it's something that that I didn't understand going to junior college, you know, colleges recruit out of junior college based off a need and not often talent and something they think they can develop and also with the time period that I went to junior college. Most of that junior college recruiting happens in the spring, and just you know, didn't pick up any off. Or anything after the season was looking to be at another school in January, and you know, consider walking on a couple of places at at this point late in the year. I you know, figured out. Okay. It doesn't matter. What you think? I know you think you can play division one football quarterback at a high level. But you know, at this point, it doesn't matter. It matters. You know, who's going to give you the chance to do that. So you know, I said I'm gonna play receiver and and talked about walking on a couple of places and then coach Hogan's and called me three days before, you know, the dead period. Instead you'll come back and play receiver. And you know, we still have a kind of a running joke about how I was easiest recruited. You know, literally took a couple of sentences. I said I don't need visit to send me the paper. I'll sign it. Get it back to you. Well, David has been an honor to be with you all through this. I saw you back when you were coming in the red line and eastern Christian you played against Calvert hall that though you and your family slow you. Light it up, and it was some of the greatest high school games. Calvert hall against Redline eastern Christian. We had Tommy store and Trevor Williams, and and Asia and Amos and great players now in the NFL two of those guys and to see you come to this point, David after what you look like as a quarterback now is this top-flight receiver and to see your ball skills to see your hand eye coordination to see how effortlessly you go and attack that ball where did this come from. How can a guy looked like he was going to be a great quarterback prospect develop into this type of natural playing the wide receiver position where did that all that those ball skills hand eye coordination, come from David? Well to start off by deathly. Remember, you know, those games at Calvert hall of those were some great games. You know that I remember they went right down to the wire. Everytime. We, but you know, I I think it's a just a just a combination of things I think, you know, growing up playing multiple sports, you know, when when when I grew up, I was wrestler and baseball player. So I think you know, wrestling kind of gave me an area. That's where I had a good body control and able to control my body when it's in the air jumping around and stuff like that, you know, and I think just playing baseball and doing other things just you know, continued to always have a of all in my hand in, you know, playing quarterback everyone, you know, kind of jokes that quarterbacks usually have the best hands on team. You know, just 'cause they always have the ball in the hand. And they're always, you know, throwing a ball and doing stuff like that. So once I put these things called gloves on I was like, oh my gosh. Well, this this ball just sticks to your hand all times, though, you know, this can't be that hard. And then I just it just got down to the point of learning the fundamentals and the technique of the receiver position, which you know, I had a great receiver coach at West Virginia. Who you know when I was there. I really just tried to be like a sponge and soak up all the information, you know, that he that he had you know, because I I didn't know much about the receiver position going back to West Virginia. So I I almost felt like I was trying to play catch up like, okay, all these other guys have been playing receiver their whole life. You know, I I've this is my first year doing it back in two thousand seventeen I've really got to work and do everything I can't continue to, you know, get play play play at a high level. And you know, meet the expectations that I had for myself exactly quickly. They got the combine coming up. I'll be there all ESPN will be there will be a televising from there and doing a lot of stories on you and all the players. Impressed. What do you anticipate your forty time being David? I don't want to you know, give anything away. But I think it's gonna please lot of people. I love it. I love it. He wants to hold them. He wants everybody has anticipation. I like that don't give it away being -ticipant. But I think it's it's gonna be a really good time. And I think it's gonna be a lot faster than people think. Very well. Listen, david. Thank you very much. You're really pleasure to talk to male wet. What's where's my man going at the combines going to tell us a lot? If David you go there, and you will you blow it away, and you do a great job. There's no reason to believe you couldn't be a day to pick. Thank you. I appreciate that. That sounds great David sales wide receiver West Virginia. Good luck at the combine. Thank you for taking the time. One old man, by the way, I like to see this is why mail is so great. He can tell a kid where he's going with him on the phone, and he thanks him mail. I mean, that's that's that's the status you have hope. Let's hope David does what he says he's going to which I know he will David sills is a great kid great family. And I'll tell you the know him back when he was young and to see him now and how he developed at wide receiver and just rewarding to be able to see a kid grow from there to what he is. Now, he's been phenomenal as a kid and that great work ethic. All I do like him say, no, I'm not gonna tell you you go to find out what you'll be happy though, right, man. I guess I will you know, there was an old guy that had a rant this week about there being too much fun in sports. He is my zero of the week and next Mellon. I will give you our heroes and zeros it's Nari mail on the ESPN radio and ESPN app. Dr Ian, bell podcast. Geico presents unhelpful home improvement how to a slippery bathroom floor can result in expensive hospital bills. So today, I'll show you how to cook. In a serious fall by filling your bathroom without ends of plastic balls. Just nail a piece of plywood across the doorway and dump in two thousand multicolored plastic balls, you could try to protect yourself with a bathroom full of plastic balls or you could get liability coverage through the Geico insurance agency. Visit Geico dot com and see how a forcible renter's insurance can be heck of a week in sports time to do a little hero and zero it's Dari Melanie SPN radio ESPN app. Siriusxm. Channel eighty. I'm Ed Jones filling in for Dr noca- Mel kiper with this as well. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. The best phones the best networks, and no contracts. It's time for hero and zero. Males bureau encierro zero zero. I will start with this. Mel who is your hero of the week? Oh, it talk about downhill runners and football. I don't talk skiing much for watching a wide world sports in the Winter Olympics. Bobby doing a great job driving all this without a lot of fanfare, and I'll tell you what? Mckay A-List Schifrin USD or my hero the week. Chatting outstanding your own a slopes last week. He had a severe cold Summoner camp thought, it might have even been pneumonia. She became the first man or woman to win four straight slalom titles at the world championships are held every two years. She wanted to thirteen fifteen seventeen in this year. Michaela Schifrin USA skier, my hero. The wake first time ever of at skiing talked about on this show, but kill Schifrin my hero the week. I literally just checked the Vegas odds. And it was plus four point five million that you would pick a skier as your hero of the. We know what had skier I gave of all. I could have stood here forever and never gotten used a skier. Well done. What would your your hero that spectacular? You deserve to be the hero. I listen. I feel honored to have even heard you say that. Now, I am picking a hero much more common person in the news myrow the week is on Williamson. And here's what assuming his injury is not a bad one. And I'm going to assume that because everything they've told us seems to suggest that's the case that shoe blowing out Wednesday night during the Duke Carolina game. Mel it made Zion. Another twenty million dollars at least because the way that played out. There were no MBA games. There was nothing going on. It's do Carolina. You got Kim. Griffey Spike Lee, Barack Obama and the crowd everyone's tuned in and then the shoe blows out the way it does. He's made it to where these shoe companies now. I have to sign him. If you're Nike. You can't let him go because you can't have other companies doing a our shoes don't blow out, right? Like, you can't have that. So you have to now throw him even more money to get him. Even though it's led to this debate about amateurism and about the one and done all of which are important debates in the end. Mel this injury is going to be better for than it was before. Yeah. Could be he will he's going to be this will end up being the best thing because it was an iconic moment on by the way a college basketball game that was the third highest ranked regular season most watched game since two thousand and two. You can't argue with that. And like you say we're does where does he go from here after that? That was the whole debate the playing with lack came out of that. But you're saying, hey, the injury could be a plus for that reason for a monetary standpoint. Nobody's going to argue with that point. And nobody's gonna argues. I n Williamson is going to be a great NBA player. And the question is do they win a national title? I think they do. That's my they're my there. They have to be I think even more. So now, Matt that seems gotta be so when he comes back I was like guys that have your back. You wanna finish this thing off the Clinton entire remember those Clemson defensive line and went back to Clemson for one reason to win a national title. What do they do? They want a national title. Okay. Zayn Williamson is going to be like those Clemson defensive lineman. He will win a national title. By the way, Zion is out. However, four today's game officially he will not play tonight against Syracuse. Who's your who's your zero? I'm gonna go to a league that had a lot of positivity. It's the alliance of American football. We've found out this week. They miss payroll in week one that as I said, it wasn't a matter of not having the. Funds. But rather a glitch in the system. I don't know if you believe that you would do you believe that they didn't need the two hundred and fifty million investment from Carolina Hurricanes owner to help save the day the bottom line here for me mad is the players weren't paid on time. And after having all of that, positively with a nice rating and everything being hey, watch this league some Luis Perez and some other guys being developed for the NFL. You can't have this from a business planning standpoint to even allow this a no that this could happen. I'm not the business acumen. You would expect from people that had this happen on the heels of week one with everybody talking like you say, it's so positively about this league and the rating was good now did drop back despite what you would expect. But I'll put the af the alliance American football because of that as my zero two we when you don't make payroll in week one. I mean, it's one thing if it's week eight or nine and just the money's not coming in at the right? You didn't make it in week one on time. That's an issue. And when they said, there was a glitch in the. The system first of all I didn't believe that to begin with. And especially didn't believe it after Steve Spurrier he gave a quote to the Orlando Sentinel. That says I think what happened is an original investor sort of lettuce into believing. He could come up with the money to get us through the first year. And then he sort of bailed out. I mean, he basically acknowledged that they got an investor pulled the pulled the plug and male. I I'm always sceptical if any of these leagues are gonna work, but when you can't do week one payroll after you did like you said a good writing. That is not not a good. You have March madness coming up you have Swiss practice for flip the draft major league baseball, the giraffe all these things NBA is gonna come into play off time. There's a lot of things going on you got to get that get people. Now, you can say, hey, even bad news. Like, this can be a good thing because everybody's talking. So can can get more people didn't enjoy. So we'll see how it goes. But you just can't have from an optical just from a look standpoint, you just can't have that my. Zero goes too long a person that I know not a ton about. But then I've always liked from afar. Longtime hockey commentator, Don cherry always liked him because he wore crazy jackets, and I thought that's awesome. If you're going to be a hockey announcer where crazy jackets, but now, he criticized this week the Carolina Hurricanes who of course, after every win the Carolina Hurricanes the hockey team are doing choreographed celebrations. They'll Blake bowl they'll play duck duck goose they do this stuff. And he criticized and said that they were showboating and that they were quote, a bunch of jerks, and my argument is first of all stop being a stick in the mud, but Secondly, no-one talks about hockey nationally, no-one people might talk about their team and their local market. But no one does. But now America is talking about the Carolina Hurricanes. They're talking about hockey. And that's a good thing and old curmudgeonly, Don cherry male misses the boat when you're hockey you gotta do stuff to get in the news. And this is doing. Yeah. I would agree you need to do stuff in the news and you'll hockey and I have skiing. So again, we're kinda doing some sports that are not at discuss in this segment that much, but you're right again anything to get. That's why wonder about the if that can turn out to be obviously to be sustainable, but after having positive attention that you want negative in this case with the NHL again. Hey, don't rain on the parade. And I don't listen. I love the dude. I mean, if you don't know who he is just Google, Don cherry, and I guarantee you there's going to be a picture of an announcer with the crazy code on. But what cracks me up is? Here's a guy who's entire claim to fame is I wear gaudy ridiculous closed having fun. Yes. Having fun talking about how people are being disrespectful. I mean like you're gonna wear that jacket and tell me that play duck duck goose is somehow disrespectful. That's what annoys me. I mean, Mel kiper tells me to be respectful. I will listen because the man is dressed immaculately and has terrific here. But if you will wear that jacket, you do not get to tell me to be disrespected by one of these days, I'll put your zero the week zero. You will never ever be my zero. Now, the raiders they've been zero. But are they going to turn it around? That's next here on Dr Mel on ESPN radio. Dr Ian, bell podcast. There may be no team more intriguing for the NFL draft coming up in the Oakland, Raiders, or whatever writers you want to call them. It's Dari Melanie SPN radio. Matt Jones filling in for Dr Noga Mel kiper presented by progressive insurance. Last segment that was straight talk wireless nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G lte networks. But this segment is brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics. They take synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level. You can make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today all guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Like this one Paul Gutierrez. He's the NFL nation raiders reporter and Paul start with this. There's a lot of questions you could get to about the raise. Let me start. Where are they going to play? I still don't totally know the answer to that. You know, my stock answer that guys is depends on the day. It depends upon the our really because it seems to fluctuate. I'm no the time when it looked like it was. A done deal. There were gonna play across the bay. At the San Francisco Giants baseball yard oracle park. And I got shot down. And it looks like right now they're in in real good negotiations with the city of Oakland to return to the Oakland Coliseum which ironically enough is what Mark Davis wanted all along. And he pulled his off the table after the city dropped the lawsuit on them. So right now, you know, they were offering Oakland to pay seven point five million to stay there for one last year before going to Vegas and twenty twenty they're in negotiations. My understanding is that they're trying to get an option in there for twenty twenty just in case, the Vegas stadium is not ready. It remains on on track to to open, but you know, with whether issues there there was a virtual blizzard in Las Vegas this week of snow, so they're just trying to get everything lined up. So that this doesn't happen again next year. But if I were a betting man, and yes, I did go to UNLV in Las Vegas. I probably would money down right now that they're returning to Oakland this year, very good positive wherever they're playing. You have the draft coming up. Yeah. You had a lot of needs for agencies coming up define Paul their top three need areas in your opinion right now prior to free agency prior to the draft. Yeah. In my my opinion would be a edge rusher defensive end and edge rusher. I don't think you can get enough with those guys because they just have no pass rushing and Mike may oxyde it himself at the senior bowl. You know, they'd be foolish to not be scouting number one. As rushers to come in the ironic thing, there's you know, the only had thirteen sacks as a team last year Khalil Mack himself had twelve and a half you combine those two these still finished last in the NFL in sac. So there's a distinct indefinite need their beyond that I would say they need to need another. Stacey they need a ball hawk in the back. I know that Karl Joseph it start playing a lot better at the end. But he's not your prototypical, Paul Guenther type safety, and they need a playmaking receiver who doesn't right, but after trading away, Amari Cooper, who would show up some weeks and disappear others. They need somebody to really help take the roof off or take the top off of. Offenses there. So that's where I go to rush your safety wide receiver now one area one primary area, look one or some of your franchises your quarterback and most important position. Derek Carr was an MVP caliber guy not long ago, then this year adapting John, obviously supporting cast trading away. Amari Cooper, Paul knows better than anybody is Jon Gruden in your opinion, sold on Derek Carr moving forward or will he have be tempted to look at Cuyler Murray with that pick number four in the first round, he's tempted, and he kinda showed his hand a little bit at the senior bowl when he talked about how he's had to throw away all of his prototypes. When he looks at quarterback when it comes to the height weight speed kinda marriage a little guy. But he said until drew Brees started doing what he was doing until he saw what Russell Wilson did. And now with Carla Murray in his lone year, really as a starter in college. Yeah. I think he's tempted, but he's also kind of ramping up a little interest there because as Mike Mayock himself said if there's a cluster of guys at Ford that you don't really love then you train out of that. And so. A lot of different schools of thought going on here. I do think that the Jon Gruden likes. Derek Carr a lot. And he did improve a lot down the stretch when he wants to started getting used to John to John system and really when you look at their past. There's only been one year where he's had the same system in consecutive seasons. And that was the year as you mentioned that he played in a league MVP candidate level and that was in two thousand sixteen. So I think they're real interesting to see how he's going to go there. I don't think that dissuades him from from looking at Karla Murray and ramping up that interests a little more. But you know, the salaries already guaranteed at nineteen point nine million. So that that kind of answered the question there too. I think you have to assess Derek Carr good enough to beat out Patrick Mahomes, outdoor Patrick Mahomes because that's your competition there. You don't want to be a wildcard be competing for a wildcard for the rest of the tenure as the coach of the Oakland Raiders, Paul patrimony will be thirty two and John Kahn track ends. So you gotta figure we won't try to win this division. We got a quarterback good enough to beat Patrick Mahomes. He loved Patrick Mahomes coming. So in your opinion. He feels Derek are can be that guy. I think he does at this point. I don't think it really has another choice. Really? So I think that and with that said there a car can only be an MVP caliber quarterback with some talent around him traded away. I Mari Cooper. Now, you have these first round Tech's beyond number four. You're picking a twenty four and twenty seven. Okay. And you think about Antonio Brown now available not necessarily for an AFC team. Maybe more for an NFC team. The Kevin covert said, hey, AFC team gives us a much better deal. We've got to think about it. And maybe take it is there. Interesting Tonio Brown with the Oakland Raiders. And you think they can pull that off? I believe there is some interest because at the senior bowl talking to a couple of coaches on the offensive side. They were the ones they were bringing up Antonio Brown within not my name is in that receiver out there from Pittsburgh. It was obviously they were talking about Jon Gruden at the end of the season when they were getting ready to play the Steelers. I mean, he couldn't heap enough praise on and we know, Johnny. He's he's always praising everybody. But he said that he was the hardest working receiver in practice. He's ever seen even. Harder than Jerry Rice. So he loves him. The coaches on the staff are real intrigued by him. And they do have the draft capital to try to make something work. I don't know if they wanna take on that contract because that's counterintuitive to what they're trying to do in terms of building this team. So there is actually put it this way. I think them going after him makes more sense than going after Levy on Bill. Now, how active will they be? They have always draft choices. But they had a lot of money. How active will they be balancing out free agency with the draft? You see them showing interest in bringing in some players the free agency, the augment what they do in the dress. Yeah. As Mike Mayock put it the the better, you do and free agency means the more selective, and you can be in the draft. So I, you know, you always have to put all these ducks in a row here. And it's Mike my Oxford Oxford draft as a real gym as opposed to being a TV neom for all thirty two teams. So I think they're going to be they're going to be more active than not. But they're not going to go for the big splash names. Like last year. They got a lot of these guys on. A one year deal veterans to come in. I think they gotta start plugging in some holes to show that they are actually building something here because that's what shocked the fans last year here in Oakland was when Jon Gruden was hired if I was. Okay. Well, now, this roster just needs to be shined up a little bit by better coaching staff, so to speak, and then they'll be good. Instead, they blew this thing up. So now, they have to show the fans exactly what the plan is going forward. And if you're filling in some holes with some capable quality players, but not breaking the Bank that seems to be more along the lines of what they're thinking. And that shows what their goal is. Well, you look at this rebuilding project. You tear it down before you build it back up. That's a smart move and John's obviously as the draft ability now, and he has the money available. How long do you anticipate Paul if they do the right thing, and they got Mike Mayock there with John is this something that can be turned around in a year as a three year internally how long do they think it's gonna take for them to be able to go toe to toe with the Kansas City Chiefs and be back to the playoffs that they hope they can get to quickly. Yeah. With engineering is when John was. Asked about Mahomes, and then what comes to mind is it really retiring comes to mind when it comes to thinking about facing Mahomes, then he admitted he was joking that I think internally there thing, and this is probably a two to three year program near to get back to being a true contender based on what this roster is and how they've blown it up and then by necessity, I guess in their minds, so but don't ever admit that I don't think anything will ever admit that it's two or three year process because then you're affecting ticket sales. And you also affecting a franchise that is in the midst of a move. So that would keep Oakland fans away who are already bitter and hurt about this team leaving when this long awkward goodbye. So yeah to answer the question, and the Shirley, I think they believe that it's still a two or three year process to to get there and Mahomes being such a revelation as he was last year, probably as another wrinkles at the whole thing to and along those lines. I mean, you would hear all the stories last year of dysfunction is there optimism that things are headed in the right at say right direction, internally whether it's two three years or whatever. Is is there at least is there a spirit of optimism that maybe wasn't there as much last year. Absolutely. I think that the optimism that's there. Whether it's just whistling past the graveyard or not is that anybody that survived the purge realizes. Hey, we're wanted here we want. They want us to be here. So that's where the optimism comes from is that they see themselves as being part of the solution rather than being part of the problem. So whether that's true or not at least internally they believe that they're part of the the solution going forward. They're part of what John gruden's master-plan has whatever it really is. So yeah, there is some optimism there. I really don't think they have any choice at this point. There was a lot of dysfunction and confusion because of what I said earlier coming into the season. The was hey this team this team two years ago was a twelve one team. Now, we got a better coaching staff in hand. And we got this. We got that. Well, then it all kind of came crashing down with the Khalil Mack trade. And I really when you look at it from the raider perspective Khalil Mack was never gonna report. He was holding out. He was under contract. So. If he's not gonna show up and that kind of an offer shows up. Okay. Time to move on. Now. The last question for me, Paul is Mike Mayock steps in it got great respect for Mike, great evaluator talent. But a lot of GM's. I've talked to say, hey, when you get to the point of being GM that's your goal when like good at the you don't scout anymore. You got so many other things to worry about so many other responsibilities beyond looking at tape everyday. Which is what might like grinder with tape. How is this? Mike Mayock Jon Gruden dynamic going to work when it comes to selecting a player. How is that? How are they gonna come together in somewhat of an agreement? Yeah. I don't know. If there really is going to be in agreement. They will go. They will bounce things off each other. They'll fight with each other. But as Mike Mayock himself said Jon Gruden has final say, and I'll just leave it at that. Tears NFL nation raiders reporter, we appreciate the time. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Have a good weekend tax, Paul. All right. As we get ready for the draft. It's time for your questions. It's time to ask. Mel here's a chance. Eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six that's eight eight eight say is beyond your chance to ask. Mel a question. Whether it's the draft we had somebody asked about crabcakes or life. He gives good life advice. Trust me. It's Dr mail on ESPN radio. Dr Ian, bell podcast. That time again time to ask Mel all your NFL draft questions it starring mail on ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty I met Jones filling in for Dr noca- Mel kiper the NBA by the way is on ESPN radio. Tune in tonight James harden, and the rockets visit Steph curry and the warriors presented by indeed coverage begins at eight PM eastern on most of these ESPN radio stations. It's now that time it's time to ask Mel. Ask out on. I thought it was a spectacular decision on a lot of level. D would ask a question? Well, that's what she said. All now, I can't believe I'm talking to Mel kiper ask Malik any trapped question you want? Call Dorian Mel now. Eight eight eight say ESPN now ask Mel I'm not sure I'll ever hear that intro, though, Mellon not laugh like when you say when you do that's what she said. I can't help. But laugh, I hope that's all right. Every single. They pick and choose what they're going to pull everyone. I like what they picked it you. Let's get started. Jeff at North Carolina. Jeff. Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call real quick now. So obviously a panther fan. I'm focused on the offense. I'm thinking about cams health moving into the next year. Where does the office of line is that the number one priority and does Colin capper Nick figure into that equation? At all good. The the offense aligning cheerier edge guy receiver went within receiver DJ moral came on and did well safety. Maybe I went with the defensive end Clough and Farrell from Clemson need an edge guy. You can't focus on just the first round when you're looking at needs because you're gonna fill those in free agency and throughout the draft. But I think if a defensive and like furlough is they're needing that position help as an edge guide and get after the quarterback. Get some sacks. I think he would make sense. Let's go to Joseph in Utah Joseph. Hey, Mel, I just want to know what you think always plant it to get the Broncos back to their winning ways. And what direction are they going to go in the draft issue? Well, you know, they have four or five significant need areas. The offensive line's gotta be better the tackle play. They're going to have some free agent issues there cornerback wide receiver defensive tackle quarterback. I'd only quarterbacks out of the question. Joe? Flacco said injuries. He's going to be thirty five years of age unequal play. Well, but for the long term, do you wanna think maybe draft a quarterback put him in the mix? So quarterbacks were brought in last year, these young guys beat them out. So if you're at pick number ten and Cuyler Murray's their Dwayne Haskins won't be there. He's going to be long gone. But if Murray's there that John Elway's guys you're going to bring him in to compete with flacco and a flak goes there. And it's collar Murray sitting in waiting worry about baseball of column or is not happy not being the guy. That's a whole dynamic Matt for another day, but Denver's got at least four or five t neat areas. I haven't taken cornerback reading Williams from LSU. That's an interesting. Point. You just made do you? Do you worry if a team picks Cuyler Murray to sit that they have to be careful doing that? Because of the baseball option, that's something you never usually have to think about it in this case knowing how quickly I'm sure collars looking at Mayfield. He was there with Mayfield look at it. Patrick MOS looking at these quarterbacks Josh Allen Sam darnold all playing well right away. When everybody thought they were going to sit watch and learn Keiler is thinking, he's got a great football IQ. He's highly confidence got always skills as if he was sixty totally be the number one pick guaranteed, but he's not. So again, I think in his mind he thinks he can go out there right away and be the guy, and I don't think sitting for two or three years in the cards for him. Robin, Mississippi, rob, hey, how you doing good? Mel when you down at the senior bowl when you left the waffle out headed to Ladd Peebles who dominate in the rough that you're going to say going early in the in the draft. Well, I think the kid that is going to be Corey Ballantyne from Washburn Corey Ballantine's a cornerback held his own. Down there. He had a great career at Washburn. It's a low level of competition. But at the senior bowl you saw improvement. It was beaten early on to come back and compete. They all want corners you want four or five corners. Now. It's coverage league. Corey Ballantyne Washburn, and he should test is should be in the four four range for four or five range, and we'll see him down back out in Indianapolis. The this coming week for the combine he would be a guy. Cory Ballantyne to keep an island here in Virginia, Ken. Hey, thanks for taking my call. I'm of staying in Virginia. And I wanna know is Josh Allen what we're going to do with that second pick mill or we going to trade out of air and do something get a few more picks that it has to be determined on. How you feel about Josh Allen? You need a guy like that. If you feel he's elite and everything points them being a great Pasha rusher in the NFL. Then you take them. You don't even worry about it. Because the giants I think we'll be trying to trade up to get Haskins. Maybe the third pick the jets or the team that moves out of there if I'm the Niners, and I can get Josh Allen a pick number two assuming that Nick Bosa goes one and I'm the forty Niners. I'm not moving out of that spot. I mean, you got to think about who you gotta beat Goff and Wilson, and and you got to move forward. And then with Rosen you've got to be able to sack those ask after quarterbacks and Josh Allen proved their sheer is one of the best in the business. Go to Brandon, Ohio, Brad. I grew up started watching football in the mid to late eighties. A lot is obviously changed today. Do you prefer the products back in those days or do you like what they put on the field today know, that's a great question. I like some of what we see we saw back then I think it's gotta be strike a balance there. And I think we've seen that we've seen even Sean McVay who everybody was raving about scoring fifty points. And the great game against Kansas City is salt. What happened in the Super Bowl? So I think we've still seen defense win championships and the ability to play on that side of the ball even with the rules all favoring the offense. So I think we have I think found that in the Super Bowl have hoped that maybe we can get back to little bit more. I want to call it. More traditional football. Michaela in Kentucky Michaela. How are you? What's going on? Yeah. Then I just wanted to ask you guys a question what he's saying am nine eight off and they just needed. And you think they're going to draft. But kill first time. We've ever had. How old are you? Michaela. I'm nine nine and you're at dolphin fan. Where are you Michaela? Lexington. But actually, go ahead, man. Okay. Okay. Miami dolphins. I'm gonna go out and say right now Michaela Cuyler Murray quarterback Oklahoma could be the pick which you'd be happy with that. She speech. She could is that your youngest question ever, anad caller ever. Michaela. Would you would you could be would you be happy with Murray being the pick? Yeah. We listen to this show all the time. We'll you kill. Well, you should we should have you do a little promo for us. How would you like to do that? We'll get you. We'll be part of a promo. I guarantee you Mikhail. What grade are you in? Great. Can I ask you a question? Are you a Kentucky fan? All right. Go cats. Thank you. Thanks michaela. There you go. That was great great. That'd be great broadcasting. If she wanted a guarantee you should get straight as well. Let me tell you something mail, you this has been a real treat for me. I mean, this when I growing up watching you you've been a part of the draft. But also just a part of ESPN for a long time and to get to sit here with you all day, take calls talk about sports. I've really enjoyed it. I really appreciate you doing it with and that's been a pleasure. And I love you with fine bomb, and you do an unbelievable job. And it's been an honor to work with you today. Yes. There you go. And I'm excited what a year to do it. When there may be some Kentucky Wildcats showing up on the on the draft is not allowed cat sister will be and that's exactly right. So this has been Dari Melania's pin radio next is GT L GTO great relatively new show that I actually caught the other day and was a big fan of GTL on ESPN radio. This has been Dr in. Mel we'll see you next time here on. ESPN radio. Dr Ian, bell podcast.
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The Nothing News Episode (But Somehow It's Still Good)
Hello, everyone slash daily for Thursday, November fifteen th two thousand eighteen today's episode. We're untouchable the latest film and TV news slash on editor in chief. Peter Surata donates podcast is slash on senior writer than Pearson. Hey, what's going on in redder? Why turnby? Hey, everyone. So next week is thanksgiving. And for those of you don't know the town that city of Holywood, basically shuts down on, you know, big holiday weeks, all the executives I take off meaning even early and we're starting to see that today because the news kind of slowed down to a, you know, very slow rate. So we're working on less interesting stories than usual, but we do have some in pinions to to to give you on these stories. So let's jump into it. Let's start off with film struck which it was nnounced was being canceled. You know, there have been petitions. And now some filmmakers have gathered together in support of trying to see film struck each day. Tell us about it. Yes, there's a huge uproar. When wonder brothers announced that it would be shattering film struck last month and a petition arose online, which as we all know never really leave anything, but then bigger names just gambled or Toro and other claimed rector started to put their throw their weight behind this online petition. And now he and other big name directors have been together to plead with more Warner media group to say film struck and this includes Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Paul Thomas Anderson Christopher Nolan which is a big deal because he's you know, the physical media seventy millimeter guy. I don't even know if he owns a computer. Doesn't own a cell phone. I'm surprised knows what a streaming service is or. The support one Elliott's yet when you have like not only Nolan big, but huge legendary filmmaker such as this, then you know, that films truck has plays important part not just in Sinophile heart, but in so many reknowned directors and they pen not just one but two letters to Toby Emmerick. At Warner Brothers pictures who he's the chairman at one of those pictures group, and they've pleaded to him to save them struck. Now, you know, this petition the kind of sparked this whole thing only have fifty thousand signatures, which I think is like less than half of the amount of subscribers that were we're at strick. So it's not like this is like a huge groundswell of support that like, you know, oh, you know, so many people just found out about this and want film struck, you know, maybe we should keep this thing alive, but these filmmakers, I mean, I guess this is making some waves. Do you think each that this could you know, change the mind Warner Brothers? I feel like it could this is definitely the biggest ground swell of support that film truck has seen and these are big names. Like, I think if you have Scorsese and Spielberg Bennett together to try to save something that will make at least some one or others executives. Listen to to reason. But yeah, I. Feel like this maybe could make a difference even people who speak mostly with their money. Could you know have be influenced by household names? Like Spielberg Scorsese who have huge have big clout with one of others. So who knows I feel like this could be the tipping point. But maybe I'm just being optimistic. I feel like if I was one of others, I put together a citing like subscribe now almost like Kickstarter like we can get to, you know, you know, two hundred thousand subscribers by the end of the year. We will keep film struck a lot or something like that. And I feel like like an ultimatum like I feel like that might work. I'm wondering like, you know, it doesn't seem to me that it would cost a lot of money to keep film struck alive. I mean owned the rights to others movies. What do you think it's going to take? I feel like, you know, like HD I may just be being optimistic here, but I feel like enough huge filmmakers that Warner Brothers as a company would want to be in business with our on board here that it might actually get them to stop in and reconsider what they're doing the thing that I'm wondering. And because we don't know what their plan is what the media groups plan is we know that they're going to be launching their own app or streaming service sometime soon, I not even sure if we know the exact date of win that is supposed to be happening. But there's been some speculation that maybe, you know, the stuff that would be on film. Struck would be like sort of rolled into that other new service whenever that comes around. So I'm wondering if maybe I don't know. I'm not sure why one media group hasn't public publicly responded to this yet. That's the thing. Like if they have a plan to maybe at the end of the year. Or whenever announced that oh, by the way, all the stuff is going to be part of this new service that we're launching and trying to get people excited about that. I'm not sure why they wouldn't capitalize on all the attention. That film. Struck is getting this campaign about film truck. Anyway, getting right now to try to point those people to this new service, you're saying Peter just like open up subscriptions early or do something to sort of capitalize on it seems like from a business perspective. There's a lot of potential money being left on the table by just sitting back and not doing anything right now. So I'm sort of baffled as to what their strategy is here. But I hope that, you know, a ton of people like Barry Jenkins and reading Ron, oh, I mean, tons of people have signed on to thing, and you can read all the names of these people at the article in slash home. But I don't know. It's a lot of people like I said one brothers would be lucky to be in business with so. I don't know. What do you think? Peter. I think you kind of nailed it here. I think it is. But this streaming services gonna come from Warner Baluchi next year the year after I think that they're not ready to announce plans for that streaming service. I think it's stupid. You know, I think all this content is going to be on that streaming service. And I think it's stupid for one of brothers to just halt film struck. Now, like, why not keep that alive until you know, you do the strings, and then maybe you can convert some these, you know, subscribers over to the new stream service like I it just seems so weird to halted the way they have a few like it would be. I don't know if I know that we don't see how much, you know, a streaming service cost to run all that band with the, you know, the software developers, the, you know, tech support the all that, you know, I'm sure it costs more than. I'm imagining, but I just can't imagine that you know, with them owning the rights to all this content that it really cost that much to keep them struck alive until they make this big move. And I'm pretty sure that all this Content's going to be on that service. So. Yeah. And it just like part of me, I'm leaning into conspiracy theory territory here. But part of me is wondered if they did some of this on purpose to sort of get the, you know, the headlines about all of these directors. They assumed probably that a lot of outcry would happen. So I don't know that's a theory like they could they could have yanked. It just to return it intil. They are ready to roll those services into the new streaming service that they have. But I don't know. I mean, I have abs- absolutely nothing to base that on. But it seems like I wouldn't put it past a huge corporation to pull a move like that in order to generate free, publicity, basically. But it would I don't know. I feel like the entire thing would just sort of rubbed their subscribers the wrong way. So I'm not sure what the the ultimate end goal would be from even employing tactic like that. So maybe I should I. Should stop. See I hear rising. I'm usually the one with the insane conspiracy theories. Feeder. I just think they were Bolivia's. I don't think that this is any conspiracy theory. I think they didn't realize the kind of backlash that was going to come from this and. It'll be interesting. See if they do decide to save it in some way. And guys we -gratulations we spent ten minutes talking about film struck. See we were able to turn a story. Today's slow news day into some worthwhile. Discussion let's move on to Amazon who they have signed a deal with blood house to produce eat exclusive feature films from a group of diverse filmmakers pen. What do we know? Yeah. So Amazon has just closed a deal with the people at blunt house deductions to create eight movies that are going to be directly. They're basically going direct to the Amazon prime, and they are coming from diverse filmmakers, we're not entirely sure who those filmmakers are going to be yet. But this is interesting especially in the wake of Jason Blum, the founder producer that runs blunt house. The the wake of his comments not too long ago, where he was really like hammered in the press by talking about how there weren't that many female directors out there who were interested in making hor. Movies, and he you know, instantly apologized and realize what a dumb statement that was and he's talked about we talked about on the podcast not too long ago. How he you know has been having meetings with female directors and trying to get I guess incorporate some more diversity behind the camera in blunt house productions so this seems like it's almost like a a perfect answer to people who are hoping for more from blunt house in that regard and just a cool and other cool bonus for people who have Amazon prime like, you know, you're getting eight new movies that are being made specifically for that service with the the blunt house name thrown behind them, the official press release says that these are going to be elevated thrillers slash darkly, famed movies, and Chris Angeles does bummed that they're not just outright saying horror movies because sounds like what they're trying to get out without actually using that word, but we'll see what this turns into. So these movies aren't going to be connected in any way. They're just like ace series. I guess a deal production deal. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. That is pretty cool. It's pretty cool that that is happening into weird actually see someone announcing that they're making eight movies furry studio. Like almost felt like I remember when this is announced we were talking about him the way this is a TV show. Eight episodes was a little confusing, but I guess yet. Also going to say it's worth mentioning that these you know, I think this is the first real batch of projects that Amazon is worked on that are going directly to the streaming service that are feature films because most of their movies have gone to theaters. I that's been the big difference between Amazon Netflix. It's before Netflix really started trying to get into the awards game and stuff like that. So Amazon theatrically this year they had to Spiro and beautiful boy and both of those movies have not really performed that well at the box office. So maybe this is a way for them to potentially save some money on distribution costs. And just, you know, make stuff that that just goes straight to streaming service serves that directly instead of, you know, hoping hoping to reach out to a more general crowd blunt house pictures is, you know, a master of making films for next to nothing actually if you talk to people in the industry, they don't pay that. Well, you know, they they get through with loopholes and stuff like that. It. So it's you know, they make these films kind of almost independently and then distributed their big distribution and. It's almost it's almost crazy because a lot of their films like the advertising budget is, you know, many multiples, maybe even hundreds of times what the cost of their the films are. So it's like. I it's. It makes sense to me to to make some stuff direct for like a streaming platform like Amazon because then you know, you can pay the spend minimal on advertising, you could put more money in the actual content itself. So I am excited. See some up and coming directors getting shot at something. So that's kinda cool. Amazon is also announced that they are ordering Bosh season six this is the detective series that takes place in Los Angeles. Starring tennis welder is that how you pronounce it. I think well over. Yeah. Yeah. I watched the show by the way Bosch these five hasn't even aired yet. And they have also they've already signed on for bought sheets and sex. This is I think the longest running show in Amazon history at this point at least for drama, and I watched the show it's based on a popular book series by Michael Conway. It is. I feel like it's very hard to convince people to watch the show because the advertisements if you I see billboards for this like whenever there's a new season there's billboards around LA for it. And it just like has, you know. The main actors face and backdrop of Los Angeles. And it's like the most boring looking thing, it looks like, you know, something maybe your dad would watch in the trailers, look, you know, it's kind of like these just like a hardboiled detective story in modern day, Los Angeles, and it's very hard to sell what the trailers to. But I I'm not saying Bosh is great television. But it's very binge worthy and very enjoyable. And what what makes it better than you know, like an NCIS or one of those shows that that is on like a major network. Well, I've never watched NCIS. So I don't know even what that really is. But I'm assuming that's like a case of the week kind of thing. Right. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. This is one case over the season. So it's almost I it's in that whole era of TV that we're getting it almost feels like a feature of or you know. A movie, you know, in a television series sized package. So they're they're taking these books by Michael Conway, which are like each a a a mystery and each one, but there's also like an overarching throughout the thing, you know, their stuff going on with Bausch. And you know, there's mystery of like how his mother died stuff going on with his family. And so that continues throughout the stories, but it it's it's every season is its own unique case that he follows in that Ben I actually think you might enjoy it because it takes you to places around Los Angeles that. Kind of unique and you might not visit and see it's I feel like we're getting a lot more shows like this. I I noticed this with Dexter where like, you know, that first season of Dexter, which I don't think was matched by any that seasons after that was based on that first book, and because that is like really I feel like the way television usually works with the writer, firm and stuff. They're kind of pointing as the season goes on. I feel like because they're adapting these books. I it almost feels strength like the plot is strengthened. And it doesn't feel like they're just taking twists and turns. As like, they're going on with does does that make sense. Yeah. I mean, it totally makes sense. And I know you don't watch. But I feel the same way about game of thrones the early seasons. Adapt George Martin's novels like pretty pretty they Hugh pretty closely to what Martin wrote on the page, and I feel like they're stronger seasons because of it. But yeah, I know what you're talking about. I've seen the early season. So I also do agree with you there. I I do feel like there is I don't know. I I'm kind of loving this age of TV that were adapting books into a television series in just having come off washing fantastic beasts to if there's issue you haven't seen it yet. Have you? I haven't I get the feeling it's going to infuriate me pair. I won't spoil anything keep the cigarettes, hashtag, whatever. And but I I kind of more wishing that they just remake the Harry Potter series on this. New Warner Brothers platform. I would love to see them remake the Harry Potter book series with each season. Being a, you know, a book like, you know, eight episodes for the first book, and then you'd actually have the room to tell all of the the stuff in Jiechi rolling his book, and I would much. Rather than that than this task P series? Which is yeah. This latest episode infuriated me I'll talk about it on the watercooler next week. But okay, let's move on. Actually, first of all Ben any interested Bosh after my my my lackluster pitch. I mean, it was a fairly lacklustre Michener. No, I yeah. I'm fatally interested. I enjoyed Titus while over on lost. I liked him in his small role in the movie the town with Ben Affleck fell. I mean, I haven't seen him as anything where he's been a leading man. So I guess that. It's just it's one of the things where like this too much. Yeah. It's not yet. It's not enough to get me to subscribe. You know, it's one of the I think I'll what will probably happen is I will end up subscribing to Amazon prime because I'm not a subscriber yet. I will subscribe when the new Lord of the rings show comes out because I'll have to watch that. And then I'll probably. Just add Bosch to my queue at that point. And go through it like in the background when I'm not doing anything else. So I'll probably get to it. It'll just be like three years or something kind of jealous because I'm kind of on the at the point that I'm searching for shows that have like a backlog of seasons that I can like binge for like a month. Does that make sense? Like, I feel like I've gotten to all the way big prestige things. The only thing that people have suggested they have not dived into is the Americans which I haven't seen any of that either seen the first season a love it a lot. I just got overwhelmed with how many shows that are going on right now. I don't really understand your position Peter because every time a new series comes out on like others too much to watch. No. I'm just saying like, I I wanna have like something that like, you know, has begun almost it's like ending like something like hold that. I like because I feel like there's a lot of shows like I feel like nowadays. What happens is a series comes on Netflix and binge it in a weekend. And then I feel like like. Over empty. I want to like have a longer prolonged journey with a with a story if that makes sense if that be be that like, you know, five or six seasons of show that take me a month to get through. I don't know. Does that make sense either? It does. Yeah. I I see how it's that's getting more and more rare. Especially if you've already started checking off, you know, the best ones going down. You're you're eventually going to run out of stuff like that. Because that's a pretty specific set of criteria. At this point. I feel like it's much as Jacob. He's on pitching the E R. I just don't think I'm gonna dive into year. I mean, you know, what she's going to say right watch doctor doctor who I know I know blink. That's more episodic. I want something more cereal is what I'm looking for is very specific set of here. You can always look back to the wire this Panos, if you haven't seen those kasichs, you know, see I've seen both of those. So anyway, if anybody out there has a not they know what I have seen it when I haven't seen. But if there is something that is probably out of the norm that has like a bunch of seasons. That is probably worth, you know, binging my way through and your suggestions the Peter at slash dot com. And if there's any good suggestions, I'll mention them on a future podcast. I know we've talked about this way too long. But something just popped into my head that I know has a lot of seasons. Have you seen? Cheers yet. Peter. I had a will. Yeah. When it originally aired? I I am originally from outside of Boston. So that was like a big thing there because supposedly took place in Boston. Even though it wasn't really film there. Yeah. But again, that's not like that's more episode. Right. Yeah. I guess so it. Yeah. That's man. Yeah. You're you're narrowing wind serialized stories. I don't know. Okay. Let's move on just like Amazon was paying a bunch of stuff from blunt house bad robot has announced six new movies. Ben what is going on here? Yeah. We don't know where these movies are going to end up because deja Abrahams and his bought productions have a distribution deal with paramount right now that's gonna end fairly soon and Abrahams is looking for a new home a new distribution home. A lot of people are speculating that it might be at Disney because that's where he's he's working on Star Wars Episode nine obviously right now. So we'll have to see where these movies end up. But anyway, his bad robot productions has picked up six different projects that they are are developing, and they have released this sort of a rare move for them. They released. Descriptions of these projects, and sort of like, I guess are getting people prepared for for these new bad robot productions that are coming the one that I am the most excited about is an untitled thriller from Meghan Amraam who is a writer and comedian. And she is responsible for the writing on a ton of shows that you listeners have probably seen in loved like parks and recreation and Silicon Valley children's hospital and right now, she's working on the good place. She is consistently one of the best things about Twitter. She has been for like almost ten years at this point, and she was nominated for any for a web series. She created called any for Meghan earlier this year and hilarious. Have you watch? This. It is pretty funny. Yes. It's basically all about her trying to game the system, and she realizes that all you have to do to be nominated for to win an EMMY or guest to be nominated for an EMMY as to create a web series that meets like very very small. Criteria like you have to have like eight minute episodes. And so basically, she just creates this show that is like nakedly and blatantly about her trying to win an EMMY just so she can have the award. So it's worth checking out. I guess you haven't seen it. But she is like a terrific comedian and writer, she's responsible for like the gerbera me episode of the good place earlier this year, which I loved and she's writing a thriller that is a female driven hor allegory. So that is exciting. I mean in typical bad robot fashion, that's about all the information that we have at this point. But I'm really excited to see what she can do as a solo screenwriter outside of the collaborative writer's room environment. And and tackling a big movie like this. This should be really really awesome. Does anybody else have any relationship with Meghan Amraam properties? I do not. I just really like her Twitter brand. It's. Chariots? And I do I've watched the first episode of of an EMMY from. But it's if this the same brand of self deprecating humor is in this horror, thriller, whatever it is. I will lafley watch it in her Twitter. Like, I know she's probably best known as what like a TV writer. Yes. Yeah. Put she has. I think over a million followers on Twitter because she's just that hilarious. If you haven't checked her out check her out on Twitter. Don't let her Twitter photo scare you away. Of weird face in it. Yeah. And I'll just do a quick rundown of the other bad robot projects that are in the works as a movie called the steps, which is a twist on a possession story. There's one called the seven sisters of Scott county, which comes from Courtney Hoffman who is a costume designer of movies like the hateful eight and baby driver. And she directed a not safe for work. Western short called the good time girls, which linked to in article, and you can watch she's directing this movie the seven sisters of Scott county that is about moonshine trucking and sisterhood. So that could be cool an untitled. Ben Schifrin thriller apparently been shifting is the guy who wrote nine lives which that Kevin Spacey Christopher Walken body. Swapping cat comedy that came out in two thousand sixteen. This movie is going to be a contained time travel story the one that he's working on. So again, that's super vague. But very bad robot issue. There's also a movie that is being described as clerks for a new generation called everything must go that is being written by a Lisa McQuillan. And Bobby Hall who is also known as a rapper named logic and hall is going to star in that. And the finally there's a movie called only the lonely, which is described as a science fiction romance. And yet that's the the bad robots late as we know it right now the steps is pitched on average idea by Stefan who was the editor of ten Cloverfield lane. And he's an editor on Star Wars Episode nine. He's the guy that edited like probably any trailer that you loved in the last few years like he edited the well, the Star Wars trailers for force awakens, he was involved with all those he saw one a bunch of those. What are those trailer awards? You went to a couple of years. Yeah. The the golden trailers and trailer words, yeah. He is amazing in I think he's eventually going to break out as a as a filmmaker. And maybe with the maybe with this one. So very interesting. Okay. Let's move. Well, actually before we move on. We don't know where bad robot this going to end up. I think we wrote an article a couple like last week about how, you know bunch of the students were kind of vying for that robot that included Disney universal and Warner Brothers. So I'm curious now that you've heard this the slate of projects that Jj Abrams bedroom are working on where do you think the they best fit because I you know, I was kind of excited about the prospect of Jj Abrams Disney because I have loved disney'll JJ. And and you know, they're already working together with Star Wars. But these projects don't sound like Disney films. Yeah, they really don't. I think they kind of universal things to me. And but I I don't know. That's just like based on the identity that universal has created over the past few years all of these studios are I mean, if you go. Back and look at like what Warner Brothers was doing between like twenty two thousand eight and twenty thirteen or fourteen they were like in my mind, the best studio that was working, and then they just had like this huge drop off and quality. So there's always a sort of rotating cyclical pattern with all these studios in terms of like which ones have these hot streaks. So I don't know these just in terms of like the identity of the studios these sound more like universal movies to me. It's kind of like this ineffable thing. I can't quite put my finger on why it is that they sound like universal properties. But that's the one that jumped out to me. But I I don't know if. The ultimate decision about where Abrahams is going to go is gonna come down to whether or not these projects fit in with that with that specific distribution company, or whatever it would be interesting if Disney like if you made a deal with Disney he ended up kind of like being the big producing partner for Twentieth Century, Fox like I think that could be cool. Yeah. I know anyways, let's move on to the avengers in the marvel cinematic universe. We often wondered why has it taken very so long to call Carol danvers. Captain marvel we saw I guess spoilers for of injuries Infinity work coming up. At the end of Infinity war, we see. The theory actually, call her with this like futuristic Petri thing. You know, why why didn't the cure call her during the battle of New York while the Tari like open, the wormhole, and we're like tacking the biggest city, you know, in the country, h why? I explained in the captain marvel marvel prelude comic which is going to be coming out and hitting shelves February nineteenth twenty nineteen. And in the first issue of this pollute comic. We get a glimpse at the moments leading up to Nick fury and Maria hills post postpaid seeing that we see in adventures and fanny war. So they too are reeling. From the fallout of the avengers sort of dissolution felling, a seed broaders, Tony Stark's, huge battle and Maria hill. Advises Nick fury to potentially call upon another here. They have on retainer. But he refuses saying not if we do our job, right? We'll never be in a position of having to call her. Make sure you keep an eye on the raft. Got a feeling our guys we'll need a little assist. Click the door open, which is really vague way of saying and fancy way of saying they have her as a last ditch backup plan and the writer for this comic book. Will corona pilgrim explained that quote carols the biggest gun you've got and fury never want to waste Ciller bullets. So he's finally making that call after all this time and alcohol his face long, the adventures, and he's truly seeing the tuition as a last resort in this kind of flies in the face of what happens with the battle New York adventures that does seem kind of like a a big event that would be seen as a last resort type of situation. But we're very dire. Streudel by like alien warships. And. Yeah. But I feel like I guess it was a matter of him like seeing himself disintegrating divinely to finally call upon her. But I need is we need the, you know, the Jerry Lucas styles special edition of vendors where we we see Nick insert shot of Nick fury, like opening the glove compartment taking out the futuristic patron like putting its finger on the button and me like. Like waiting there? Like, maybe should I? Well, I think of actually make sense to me because other than you know, realize and not being cast yet in the rule of capture marveling avengers came out. It's that film was all about bring the team together. I think fury was really intent on kind of bring them together. Not only with kind of engineering the tragedy of the engineering, but kind of emphasizing the Colston's death with the with the cards, but also just kind of keeping that delicate balance by not bringing in anyone else. That's that's sort of my reasoning behind it. It makes sense to me, and I know kind of messes with the canon of the of the marvel universe little bit. Like, why didn't they bring in catch model when you know, the president of the United States as being attaching ironman three. It's all kind of loose when it's all connected like that. So it I think this is a good reason. Like enough of a something to go on while we go into the next year. I know people had problems with this with. I'm forgetting which film it was. But after ventures kind of like there was a couple of the marvel solo films like there was, you know, world big world things going on like like the dark. Yeah. Yeah. I it's like, you know, why didn't or call the rest of the vendors. I feel like in the comics. You never really think about that. Even though they all in that world, they're all friends, and you know, they their team like, you know, it just their solo. It's that comic and solo venture. And sometimes, you know, you'll see people from the other comics get involved full like out for movies. It does beak. You wonder why they are there? Like, I feel like the need to come up with better explanations. Yeah. I think for now is just the fallback of of having this big cinematic universe and big stars that they can't pay for every movie. It's kind of that consequence of being loosely connected like that. Yeah. And I'm sure we'll learn in kept marvel what happened to her at the end of the film of shirt because obviously that takes place in the mid nineties and. She leaves earth and goes somewhere. Right. We assume. So we'll we'll learn, you know, maybe there's more to this that we don't know. But let's move into our last story. And that is this crazy Jack black documentary insufferable grew which I actually thought was a joke when you posted this in the slack channel bang. What is going on here? Like, why are people why should people be interested in this documentary? Yes. So I thought it was a joke as well. There is I got a press release today about a documentary called the insufferable grew that stars Jack black as I mean, he's playing himself. It's a documentary about a filmmaker named Stephen grew who is basically declare her. It's it's documentary. Not a Machi memory. So Jack flack appears in an actual documentary. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yes. I mean as far as I can tell when I'm washed the trailer. So it seems all read the synopsis. The insufferable grew follows filmmaker Steven grew age forty one a self proclaimed autour, narrowing in on his twenty two hundred film in twenty years. His body of work of outlandishly awful, John or films has managed to attract admirers like Napoleon dynamite. Jared Hassin Jack black, but the Utah based director has never made a dime off of his work leaving his wife to provide for. Their family of four small boys as grew attempts to make his latest Otis. An elf human love story his narcissism threatens to prove his undoing in this entertaining, look at low budget guerrilla filmmaking. So that's the description, and I was like, okay. Stephen grew is not a real person who is just the fictional character. That was made up because that sounds ridiculous. And this whole thing is going to be sort of a meta mock, you memory kind of thing that looks at you know. Females like creation and low budget filmmaking and just is you know, sort of has a laugh at the whole thing. But upon doing a little bit of research, it appears that Stephen grew is a real person and the work that he has produced is. Guys. It's it's laughably bad. It's up there with Tommy Wiso that level of stuff. You know, if you've seen movies from guys like Wiso Neil Breen and stuff like that those those so bad, they're good movies. If you're a connoisseur of those types of films, you're gonna want to add Stephen grew to your list of people to check out because the students work is is really out of control. I'm bedded a couple things that he's done in this piece. I last film, and then I watched the trailer for the documentary, which is is out and the documentary is going to be coming to feeders and on video on demand in December. So people will have a chance to actually watch the dock, but Jack black is he managed to get Jack black to appear in this movie about this elf human love story. And and that's basically the the documentary follows the production of that movie, and and sort of how this guy managed to do that. And what kind of filmmaker he? He is. And how delusional he is about his own talent level. So I would highly recommend a few if any of the sounds interesting go to page on slash film. And and check out some of these videos because they're they're pretty jogging. You know, it's sad about this is that this guy has made what two hundred films. I mean, you quote unquote films like I looked at his and there's a lot of stuff there. But I mean, it's all like the kind of thing where where it's basically just him in a bunch of his friends shooting stuff in his backyard, and they film, so, but I'm guaranteeing there's probably gonna be more people watching this documentary than probably the two hundred quote unquote, films combined that that is that's kind of sad, right? I like, you know, let's put aside like how the quality of the these movies and stuff like that. But this is a filmmaker. You know, he's an artist trying to tell stories and he believes, you know, this is his passion and his dream in this documentary. That's probably going to be mocking him is going to get more views than all of the the product. He's produced over the last twenty years combined. So the conflict that you're describing I experienced sort of in real time as I was going through this story and learning more and more about this person. I saw the work the early work that he did. And and some of the videos that he's made and sort of laughed at them, and then instantly felt bad for laughing because of the reason that you just described, but then I watched the trailer for the insufferable grew this new documentary. And he I mean, it's called the insufferable grew for a reason this really is narcissistic to a level that that. Makes it in my mind, okay? To laugh at him again. Because it's like if he's that delusional than than I have no problem. You know, it's like he. I wonder if that characteristic is why we can laugh at Tommy wazoo. Or even Neil. I think that has something to do with it. It's like 'cause otherwise it's just sad. Right. Like, that's what you're saying it. Yeah. I if you if the person is trying and failing and then it's just sad. But if they're trying and failing in a way, where they feel self righteous or you know, arrogant or anything like that, even though their talent level is clearly not up to the par- that they believe it is then I feel like that's the difference between, you know, watching something with pity and watching it and being able to be entertained by it. What does that book that claims that if you do something for outliers by mccolm glad well that claims that if you do something for a thousand or ten thousand hours of practice in anything will make you, you know, an excellent roster. Looking at this guy. He probably had spent over ten thousand hours on this, right? I guess so, but yeah, his his mastery is very much in question. I think the so so yeah, this documentary might prove liars as a a liar. So. Ben, we're people find more your work online. You can find me writing everyday. It's lashed dot com. 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