20 Episode results for "Nick Roman"

Witchville

Sci-Fi Talk Indie Film

36:29 min | 8 months ago

Witchville

"Hi Robyn Don I play wills on sanctuary and you're lifting. Sifi filmmakers behind the recent SCI FI channel movie which fill up and coming director. Perry Tau on the best genre or at the New York Film Festival for Liberating me. He also directed the SF film the gene generation for Faye dunaway. And By link. He is also known for his award winning film. Nick Roman additionally Amy Krell is president and page four productions and has produced such films as Griffin and Robin Hood Beyond Sherwood. Let's welcome them. Both to Sifi made you pick China to to film this movie. That was really the only place that we could afford to make If you've seen the film which apparently you have a. It's a pretty big films. Yeah and it's it's you know to do it here to do it. We usually do. Films would have been prohibitively expensive so we also had a relationship. I had had a relationship on some pants film with the Producer on the film and he said well why don't we just shoot it in China and I said well I don't know where else to make were so we did. And that's that's kind of how we ended you know. Started there on it. So we ended up shooting film there The show really purely financial reasons so this is actually a question for both of you. Now amy also co wrote the script essentially Had a this story come about and then for Perry what. How much input did you have after you were you signed on to direct? You started I had been hired Basically to To produce the show I produced before and Executive Producer cruise line producer production executive. And we were given a script named John. Water and obviously There's some exigency from from an original script to a production script production draft so We had also If we're going to be shutting China Mishaan Canada's we shot over the so once I got to China before we got to China I just sort of had to make it a little smaller and and and and very ambitious and try to get it in the budget and then I'll see once we got to China Had to rewrite it again. I had to rewrite it again to match again the backlog that we had and the other resources that we had we had no past that point so I tried to match the characters. More with the voices of the actors So they would be a little more comfortable in the role so that was pretty much my my maiden effort and doing that and I hope I exceeded But that's kind of started. You know you description. Everybody likes it and then each kind of have to tear it down. That sort of how that started on my site really. I you know when I when I got the script and I agree to do it. I think Took the how much they had. And then I tried to All my you know director choice that changes to the script For for visual purposes. You know shooting in China. What what I'll handicapped was You know certain things that could be done in China. Obviously and you know the thing to the right as what needed to be changed I try not to change too much of the dialogue because you know personally. I believe that the right is main and you know if I wanted to make changes the dialogue. I should be right too but you know I. It's also a little tricky cooked. By the time it came on board You know five ready Loved the script. They've you know they knew exactly what they wanted. And what they didn't want to what they did a one that ready so essentially what they're you know looking at the script and thing you know how can we make this really really cool and that was my extent of my script and that was really helpful. Because there's so much to do and Harry and I thought we were really good team Harry obviously is director and you in charge a lot of things that are producing writer. I'm not particularly division in the film. You know what I try to do. On my end we have a really casting director callen cloud Who I had worked with on another sci-fi Channel Film hold on a Guy. I forgot taxi griffin. It just had like seven. As well Sarah Douglas and I- underclubbing were in Griffin and they're also enrich they'll and had introduced she brought them in to read for Griffin and me really were very high in getting them for this film as well and Terry like their work and like them but I the caliber of actors that I had. I mean you know obviously mccaw you say anything about Luke you know you all know who. He is An Beers who oregon even finding Thorpe. Who hadn't been in a film before but I teams minute play When I was in one and he was just great and I said well. This guy deserves to being moving and and you know he just. He plays the rich hunter. Heiner Kramer. And just. She's just astonishingly good and I think everybody got into it and really they were really committed to it. And you know it's sort of like doctor who even mazing actors who were just. They're you know they're really invested like bill. Nye The other day you know they take really seriously so I just thought we had a great cash. I felt that you know. Carrie I carry the tools that he needed. I hope I did you to Johnson so Perry what we are. Some of your recollections working with some news. Really good talent. You had in front of the camera I I really think you everybody for from visual I had a great great experience. And you know in particular. I come to found love with You know British actor the way they post your crap in your heart and you know there is obviously a different Professionally and culturally but I you know th there is something to be said about the British. I just had such a joy working with them. You know the the friend and you know they come into work. Really really prepared for the most part. I wish I could spend more time. You know Personal leave them like having fun but I think in like one day out of the whole entire time to capitol dead you of take a break so you know we had finally went up with dinner and all that but you know for the most part. What's really a lot a lot of work? What kind of shoot schedule would you have? Wow shooting schedule I mean. We were shooting for You know I WANNA say sixteen. Eighteen days reason. Why the reason why I was GonNa say the reason for such a big number is really because you know so many problems associated with it. You know of God rain. I'll losing upset because of whatever storms or whatever thing that it's all kinds of problems that could happen and you know that delay up put us back and all that but you know for the most part any able to schedule most of it around it. Though like for example we had a about shoot and you had an indoor shooting. Covers that ready for me shoes that I actually got between seventeen days to shoot? At least I know that China had a late spring to being there out and they were that they had some problems with that. And that certainly means that you were probably a little colder and you would have been normally shooting. They're actually a correct young debt. China have four seasons in our. It can be pretty horrible like you know one minute we are like hang poppins wedding and then it can be like freezing coal and you on the jacket and all that it's crazy in any conveyance for a while then stopping totally like screw up our whole landscape capable shooting because could be shooting in like You know some dry ground and the minute it rains and and then the next minute stop and now we have Mutt. And they're like. Oh my God how GonNa to do this. Pretty crazy wardrobe. Things like that and it's unpredictable is really really hard for you know things like that. I mean four thousand years you know evolution and we haven't listening to leading now. What about production design if you can both comment on that process and how and how volved for both of you that went over and Terry okay. you know the production designer the because we had. How long do we have any one month? Or for pre production. Yeah Yeah we are newer. Dare you were there for four weeks. Harry's crap and I had come right of it earlier to sort of you know like jump off the edge of the peer into the waters of production in Beijing right. Yeah you know we. I hadn't at the production designer but we basically were giving production designer and got incredibly lucky. Yeah she was. She was amazingly you know well in what she does. Obviously but you know obviously the designs that there were a lot of things that you know I personally you know. Couldn't use the Chinese from like that one all the way up to now. You know things like you know crew. They uniforms and things like that. Just because You know those are the kind of resources we don't have in China and the length get different. Invited kinda shifted more into the fantasy landscape Kind of almost create my own world and I decided to use material that no only me you know is an American but the Chinese familiar with you know things like a creed video games world warcraft. That and we have a big fat off. You know I play all the time so I if I had my actually be great kind of getting by by some of my My Hero and so we sat down. And you know. We decided to design the costumes to kind of like a hybrid of many things rather than try to they. Oh takes place in such and such town at such and such time you know. Let's create something that you know has a little Persian. The little girl biking everything is sort of this. No I did like that. I did like there was a mix And I noticed this is for both of you. the fighting styles were a little different. I mean I think one character by need played by Miana buried at fought in a certain way with really cool weapons on. That was kind of interesting. I enjoyed watching that. Yeah during the you know five dollars when talking to Juno fight choreographed for that They they really each need own fighting style. I didn't want to turn around. The you know the thing you know lack clang left right clang kind of things like that. You know typical sort by and I'd say you know very little bit. We kind of a fine. You know you know more of a weasel and crow kind of you know finding fans and you know we gave Andrew Klavan for example. More of A. They're like fighting demeanor you know. He uses his body to fight. And you know Luke Losses Character Malachi. You know definitely had the most free form of fighting. And that he doesn't it's all the time you also use. You know his hands on the lake to really get the best offenses issue as well and there are a lot of things you know. We just of like You know to get of the actors Things like you know. Malachai never the first strike You know things like when it comes through villages and he always wanted a defensive position rather than offensive position and you know quite a bit of session about how we approach. It doesn't look the same all the time. Let me talk about your your special effects and what which some of the challenges involved with that. You mean the practical ones young. You have both actually things. Were a little bit. You know a little bit like twenty years ago there you you a rather than getting is like a fog machine which. I can get very easily here in. La You know we had like a smoke pod white and you know so. Everything's a little bit kind of low budget for the moment As far as onset stuff on like job as she is concerned but it worked fine and and as far as the G. though We worked with two places one In China and one. I place called wonder world They were phenomenal and they did a really great job. We had very little time. We had about two hundred visual effects. we wrapped in We actually just wrapped in at the beginning of October and I delivered the show beginning of January and we had children visual effects cut in and and create of course I and You Know Perry within You know Tucson and I was in London and they were in and we managed to get everything done and I think it looks pretty great. I think that level of visual effects the Arctic level of them. It's really high particularly for SCI FI channel films which are very low budget. So I I. It's a challenge to make them look good and I think that I think that we manage to do that. I think they're higher quality than most others. It's just it's it's a financial thing it's very hard to do good visual effects and we just found a wonderful you know. It's really amazing and comment on how. Cgi has just changed the industry Do you think that were that? Were too much in love with it right now. Do I personally feel that You know the big problem with. Cgi Right now is that you know people tend to use it as a you know as a shortcut to problem solving and while I think that you know. Cgi is. It's great that it available for you know definitely on a on a film that can afford it especially time My recommendation to you know a lot of people would be trying to practically you know me. Personally I'm a big fan of the process of actually filmmaking itself. You know to be be able to get creative and do things practically is great but I also know that that's something that you cannot do practically that's what comes for us. What you can do it. Practically I would personally for practically and and Cherry very clever with that and we had a lot of cost cutting measures and he came up with You know using blow up the photogr you know background just kind of obscure background. That saved just You know ten or fifteen shot that me catch create so You know you. It's it's cheaper than it was. It's still not cheap but I think that are visual effects. People manage you get the fantasy world working on another film right now Where ten years ago in the wider working script. You know everyone passed on it. 'cause there's no way to budget that but now we go. Oh Yeah isn't gonNA visually like visual effects. Do my garage. I mean just so that it was still going to have to save money but by doing by cheating things. But you know what we can accomplish in. We've written script around it. I think can help think it takes us into fantasy world. The safety issue You know I I don't necessarily have to you know send a car into a ravine and then kill little bunnies at the bottom And I've done in a funny killing in my life. I don't need to work but not only pollute everything but also endangering electric person. You know back kind of safety I it really pays off for things like but then you don't want it to look fake. I mean there's a very fine line and look I mean we are fantasy world. There's magic being thrown by which is and people are saying. Well look like how do you know what the cold so I think our? I think when you not staring you necessarily but with discretion I think there's a factor terrific and it really helps to tell our story. I think it's a good tool. And but if it overwhelms the movie has some effects have and you kind of lose sight of the story in there somewhere and then you got a whole another set of problems. as far as The IT I assume will be. Dvd release for this yet. We're working on it right. Okay do you. Can you tell some of the goodies that will see on Working out the details and all that but What what we're hoping to do You Know Again. You know film. It's a collaborative we try to keep everybody involved in the whole of things. Not just you know me. And Amy but the actors as well We do have a bunch of you know stuck on on our archives. You know things like behind the scenes footage photographs production note and things like that. You know the we are ready to step in and do a commentary but it Quinn right now. I think it's too early to decide. what GonNa go in there not on TV had for talks with You know the other producers and ought to whose direction we want to go of it but we definitely knee and any personally have no problem You know going out and putting the extra bit of Effort to get them. Oh goody stuff offense great kit. You're working on a project now Can you tell us a little bit about it? Any the good pitcher all visuals. So any workers need to like go. Okay and then you if you go will go ahead of Harry train. I have a couple of projects that we're working on. That are all sort of fantasy. We have One that I That were hoping that Scifi channel might WANNA do. We really can't talk about what it's about you're afraid until he's GonNa kill the We also have they captain Nemo Project that Like you know it seems like everybody in. The world has one Right now but we do. And that's the one that to. We're trying to do their own special meal smaller lower budget way with the calculator the and You know looking forward. We're trying to pitch that right now and And hoping we're getting some interest on that so In not so. That's what we've gotten. Obviously you've got other things on Perry has just been phenomenal ideas that I'm trying to help him You realize that she'll let me and I just you know he he's just he's got really wonderful patient stuff and particularly because he likes her project so So that's That's that's our hope. I gotta ask You I just read recently that you're doing a sequel to nick. Roman she is that correct You know that that had been you know. Definitely a project that You know writers have been toying around with and you know in talking to distributors about it so you know the the the the reception of people From you know. Uk and some of the people from the US Who have bought the you hit unity. All pirated I'm not sure You know They have been extremely receptive of you. Know the film. How however it also been you know while the story has been written To not that should been very tricky to kind of right because he no net you has the name to the coastal did need to be a low budget films Almost experimental nature. So you know we're going to have to see where it goes from there It's a different kind of not everybody. So we're GONNA see how does in the US isn't it releases on there and you know if all goes well then we will Actually green light on on that project how who have like a story ideal already in mind. Yeah YEAH WE WE HAVE A. I didn't mind already and It you know it I. I should talk about yet. That's good at least at least we know you have a story. So that's really cool and amy. Let's let's say this time To Jacobs let her out there. Okay there you go interesting interesting. I was just talking about that movie the other day as a matter of fact with my wife is a great movie. Sure is it. Sure it amy. I got a credit you. I think you made film history by doing a Robin Hood Film. That actually cast a person named Robin to play lead. I'm you know yeah I don't I can't take for that I did you a lot of prep work on that but because of Brooklyn is not a Canadian. Province wasn't really involved in the game. Jay Production I did a lot of crap show though and I loved it dearly But I think that When it actually was made a terrific job in in casting and thinking very charming guy And he's you know he's a big sci-fi name he's doing you know obviously doing a lot of stuff as channel. He had an and now has moved onto another show. But I it's a really fun movie and and one of the things that I really push when I was involved in it. Is You know trying to get on board? You know we had a couple and everybody else did shocked because when I group and I had a lot of British people doing American accents some Australians to and I just thought it was sort of silly it makes everything sound a little sillier and I think a lot of people listening to this and you particularly Tony. You know we all love them British acting all. You're just somehow you can talk about us on extruder and you can talk about you know wearing. You can talk about all kinds of crazy things and it just sounds like. Oh yeah okay. Because it doesn't sound stupid when I say it sounds like you know Shakespeare when they say oh that the I find The producer the film The other producer that film one and sock exciting one and and now that you've us a new paradigm for these films on dark relic also had British accents. And I thought I've been terrific. Projectors can I think I think it was. I think sounds better for. I'm not saying the American actors aren't good. It's just there's certain times and places for things and in medieval I don't think Americans do medieval is well. You Know Kevin Talk Your volunteers. Not exactly right. I thought Robin did a fine job. And the PODCAST Erica. Durance was married and mean she was great and then a true break. Julian Sands. Who's been working a lot and Vancouver and then you had David Richard packed from the was also on their to prince. John's a good good chasms a lot of fun. So I'm glad it's saw the latter day also on Scifi on the same thing with With our film I mean we really try euro genre fan and you know try to get Andrew in try to get you know an obvious guy. Mandra Andrew Klavan three hundred and inserted Douglas. And of course you know edge fantastic. I remembered him from Aragon. I really love that Salman and just so cool having people in the only to ride horses and the all new stage combat and they all train. I had a chance to been you know. Sarah Ride sidesaddle. She didn't have to do it in so she didn't last year and I'm like Oh my God. She yellow the worst sidesaddle in address. I sent their little thin on the ground here in La. I'm sorry to say it so It was just so it's a pleasure and of course you've seen all their work and I really liked that when people were GonNa Watch channel some sort predisposed to this who've seen films and she's you know three hundred seen Superman and Eric on and obviously seen hell boy to and all that in blade and stuff that move within you know I like oh add someone I really like is you know. What did he say? Tom Com on every trying hard. Yeah I haven't been able to do it yet but I've been trying to be great. I think he has a very bright future ahead of them. And and and frankly. I'm a little perplexed. Lukasz isn't a big star already because he just has it you know he really does. Yeah I just you know look you know. He definitely works really really hard. And and I I have to say you know. This is were asking for colluding else's just not Nagel. You know how I we had. You know the amount of focus that is a factor from everybody onset is it's just a sounding inert not like you can just tried it and try that it's like everybody has exactly what he was hacked. Time invoke became. Ill call me out. I mean she said horrible fever and put her to bed and go stir up and she showed up the next and it was unbelievable and really dedicated time and choose he had he had. He got sick he got he had a fever and out got stopped by the police all night in advance and had sneaked in free. Fall Down with the you know the air is not great there in in in in in in you know really cold and damp like. Oh God and he had six and a half page teams that morning to one. He hopes down on the couch and did it. And just you know straight you feeding hauled men the listen in between. Hey did you keep them lubricated? And and he was grading. Never you wash. It seems the great. See and it's where you guys you know people dragging her off and and releases the red midst. It's finds the rich and just like you know. I mean unbelievable. Ya believable really talented. Really dedicated actors all the time and But you know again. I'm so impressed. I you know I wouldn't have a lot of wine and of situations where people do want a lot and you know And just not prepare it and I have to say something the acting and all the everything really went for this production that we got in We know exactly what we're GonNa do and you know we got it done actually very rare that you know things like that happen when he did initial cut a- for like the first cut of know everybody was all a free night on You know for this. Little daisy shoot You know how many minutes you getting Blah Blah Blah. And how many at did end up getting amy on cut to. I cut the hundred four minutes long. Wow right she had never happened. It never happens because on these shows you have so little time but you were. You know I just carry was prepared. And it's just we shot and shot in touch and You know only went lanes you times she really. I'm just talking to somebody about that. We're trying to plan our next show and figuring out. How do we do this? And how do we budget our time? These shows because you have so little time to do it To do that you end up with short. And I dictation eighty seven eighty eight minute running time a your and they add their commercials and breaks and things. And you know it's tough. It's really tough. It's your shooting fifteen days. It's just very difficult Your tears real shooter and knew what he wanted a new editor and he knows won't touch together and we didn't have a lot of ways. You didn't waste of the thing all Tibet China and the same thing about mania where I had done my last film is that people don't like throw stuff away. They don't take some very seriously. I mean I ended up with way too much film last show. I bought too much. Turn it in champion. That never happens me. Higher career he caused people did not just races. So wait there. And he had a visual effect marker on the funniest thing I've ever seen we show up and it's the hardboiled egg. Tweet you chopsticks with some strange tied around Skinny Green. You didn't have any money to have like you know real markers near changes. The White Kennesaw. Don't earn just in China and find. Sporting goods store invites greed. Senate ball is not how it works so everybody very you know you know. what is it? Joan is embarrassed about it and and Did you get that reference? You get fifty points for me but got that Star Trek of course but But Yeah I. It's I really appreciate the work that you do. And it's it's very obvious to me talking to you. Vote that you not only respect the material you love the material and and this type of fill the sci-fi fantasy so I think that only shows up on the screen Especially when people not only know what they're doing but also loved it material and Makes it more fun for US viewers to see it and played too much computer games? I play my share. I I do have to say amy of you. Have Not If you star Trek and I just actually got it as a birthday present I was given the first original series with the new special effects in It is a must pick up. It is amazing what they have done and old episodes look and For my money they hold up very well compared to today stuff. It's really amazing. You know it's yeah. Some of the sets no look I was too I was too but when I saw it and then I saw all the love. They went to Went into it and having people like Michael Okuda and Denise Okuda behind I was I was totally on board with it and actually when I spoke to Leonard Nimoy he loved it he was like saying we didn't see that but I'm glad it's there now so but it's really play. I've watching deadly attack and I was like horrible. I've been waiting like thirty years. You're you know like I can't remember the things and I was watching all the going to sit here and they had some shots and like anything else you start to see like it's on Baruti's phase crazy. I do a lot of production supervisor on our show and a lot of the shows like you and still. Ht's to transfer any uprise and going back to original cereals. You know. It's just frightening what you see in an we had we didn't. There's a road there. I mean I'm seeing these things as we're we're looking on redoing our heartbreak on the Monitor. That's like sixty lines by four being high and you see everything like. Oh Gosh you know there. I got to blow it out because I'm standing and just incredible details. You know the trading things and seeing these things and and you know it's true you're going to do a transfer it's going to see all those you know block jumping thing but again that's part of the love it's sort of like you know set set wobble in that you know. I I was an usher during each e and I thought that one hundred seventy five times all the way through summer and you know stand auditorium and that's what we do back in the day the movie the movie theater and and you know. I'm really upset I won't get I won't buy that DVD. Because I'm really upset. That's not the movie. Okay at the move in. And it's it's ridiculous you go back and change. Of course you know. Things are imperfect but the Islamic thought we think should remain in perfect. I think that's what I tell. People like removing. Oh it should be improved. How director would you ever if you could go back and and Redo some things that you've done before all of them. I would definitely go Van. Redo all of them I mean but but you know I I think the reason why I keep making films as because you know sometimes I look back in I think. Oh my God I could've done it so much better and you know There's this part of me that feels like Oh man you know you just wish you could. By the time you re back on the hard work and Energy and only you know you everybody has put into it So you kind of go. You know what had that time? I was proud of what I did. And that's the best way I can approach myself But definitely every you and so I try to Kind of take what I learned from every sounds like you and just put it to the. That's that's the way to do it. I think all even the best ones learn if they don't learn then something's wrong. That's the way it look at it. You know learning yes. Yeah I think so. I know that's what you do. He you fly. Apply what you learn the next one and and as much as we want to go back in and I worked on the first teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Yeah yeah it was really hard. It took a really long time. We had guides and Radio. Control the head that would rust in humidity. North Carolina then nightmares the guys in the suits. And just like you could go back and they have. And now it's also g but there's some unique to that and there was an incredible amount of skill level and You Know Kevin. He's The guy who does hell no the guy who's a you know a rat in the picture beautiful and he'll never get that because now it's all CG and that's all great. But I wouldn't want to go back to that during the movie and Redo any of it because there's some hose that I know that sounds really talk about how Hillary but there is some kind of beauty to it and and and look you go when you don't do that that way more and we're gonNA move on with what we learned in the next. I like moving four. Yeah much more excited about Nemo carrying. You're going to do next yeah. Yeah I'm looking forward to. I think that should be really cool. I think that's what we need a really cool. You Know Lima movie. I you know Captain Nemo Movies would be who you're GONNA end up with three. You'll have it. If they approve ours you will end up with three over the next three years. Yeah well definitely want to focus on the CM punk route. I think the a essentially the hosting punk culture that down You know visually. I want to focus on that. Would that is very smart way to approach this and Kinda give it its own Its own light. I think that's a great way to do it. Besides thinking my guest I like to thank Kenny. Deep great doctor. Who PODCAST POD show? That should be your source for everything doctor who thanks so much for listening hi. This is Keri director of which fell. You're looking type hi Tom.

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Episode 47  My Friend Tulpa

BSP: Believer Skeptic Podcast

48:00 min | 1 year ago

Episode 47 My Friend Tulpa

"If you're easily offended this show, be for you. But if you're into that weird fun you've come to the right place. You've been warned more. Reporting. It's up to us. I, I believe the skeptic. Hello, welcome to be as people lever, skeptic podcast, the podcast for two idiots debate weird for nominee. I'm chris. I'm the believer. I'm Cody, I am the skeptic. And if this is your first time joining us, we are in LGBTQ paranormal comedy, podcast. Yeah. And this is how we work in a nutshell. We pick a paranormal topic share stories and information. And then we talk about why or why we don't believe in it with science and other crap. Sometimes sometimes, and can I say this episode I'm super super excited about, and there's two reasons one because the topic oh my God. But also Chris made this drink and it smells like burned hair, and I think it has breast milk it. And so does not can wait to see what message literally sitting here like token to death of her. So this week we decided on a random topic that neither of us know very much about. I mean, there are topics before we at least had some idea. But this one really is completely foreign. Yeah. You literally sprung this out of nowhere. And it was one of those that usually those really obscure topics are obscure for a reason because maybe they're not that interesting or whatever. Yeah, but this is amazing and this has one of the coolest things ever. So I heard the word randomly when somebody asked me if I knew what it was, and they wouldn't explain it to me. So they just told me to look it up, what we are told you this guy that told them that we had a podcast and all whatever anyways what we are talking about our tapas top laments and topa mentors. Topple toppled hope told us yet. But, like not like Tulsa, Oklahoma has a paean. Me anyways, before doing any research is completely alien concept to me. I'm youtube. Absolutely. Yeah. So, so for those of you have no idea, what are, they are in a diminutive term, imaginary friends, but really, they are much more than that. They're beings that someone can create with their mind that are believed to think, on their own experience, emotion and have memories just like a real human being. So let me preface by saying that we are no way any experts in the subject, and we know that some people take it various seriously. So we in no aiming to diminish offenders people. Some people really do I found all each Reddit threads, and it was surprising obscure, this is for how many people were like this and his name is Thatcher. And we're really close into left. And I'm like, what really crazy? And also let this be a warning top Amancio is not to be taken lightly. Nor is it something that we promote. So what you do is all on. You. Yeah. We don't not promoted so someone. I don't give me like the foreign one then you should make one. Okay. So creepy. All right. So we get into my one of my stories like this is a really cool topic. So drinks drinks. So I'm not drinking for the time being just personal choices. Wow. So, so from here, forward are drink sections, going to be either not Hollick or foods related to our topic. I'm actually starting at cabaret now. And so, my voice is going to be precious, because I've had vocal issues. Shut up, and he's like, do this little kind of thing. So I will not be drinking I there, but I think this is cool because it's going to give us efforts to be yet be creative and for me to bring tight t to every single episode. No, because I will make you leave the house and get some tales and then you have to do your episode with your topa. That's fine. Okay. All right. It might be a better host. Kidding. Drinks. Go ahead. Go, I, I so. Mine is pretty Bosic data mess. You gotta run a you. It's actually like dissolving his glass, but I got something fairly basic in. It's called. I got it for a reason. It's a sleep drink. It's neuro sleep. And then below it says sweet dreams said went. Know what's in the car driven that later bottle of lube, it's called a wet dreams. And actually, if I could drink something that would give me a wet dream every night, totally would the best dreams ever. Anyways, anyways, I got this, because once I got into one of the topics I was like, I'm going to need this to be able to sleep because it's really creepy like the idea of what topless can do is really, like Tex Kobe texted, Cody, the lusty is, is. Like the whole thing kind of freaks me out in the island. I can't explain why just like unsettles me so okay. So let's let's see what you've got going to taste it. So my drink is called okay to in butter tea. Yes, Tabet and butter tea, it's very common into bet. And when I get into history, you'll understand why it is usually has yet milk. But since we don't have a yak around here. I got all half-and-half or regularly try to get got. Well, it's not that bad. No. I thought it was going to taste a lot worse considering what's, what's in it? Oh, it's really bland actually kind of. Yeah. Because all it is black tea with butter and salt. Oh, that's it? Yeah. Oh easy. Always expecting something really weird. But usually it's like sheep here. But they can make sweet emergence which would be like ties teeth. They really taste like if you just mix it up a little bit different. It could be like a hot smells like butter good. Yeah. It was good. I liked it. All right. So history. Yeah. It's just gonna put me to sleep. That drink out. No. Oh, no history wilt. But we so topple Topaz have become for lack of topples for lack of a better phrase, more popular in the last few years, but top laments is a concept has been around for a long time. It is a practice that was used by to Benton monks in order to show that hence bitten. Bitten butter tea, that in order to show that, what exists around us in our, our world is merely illusion and that they Tabet, monk students could not trust what their senses perceived, according to what I read students were made to practice the formation of culpa or a mind, made body and manifesto into a genuine deity deity. So you're thinking up a God of Scott of some kind and comes real that you're thinking, okay, the reason being they wanted the student to realize those powerful deities were just creations of the mind. The study of top us was introduced into western culture by Belgian French woman named Alexandra David Neil, she's an explorer, explorer, spiritualist, and Buddhist. And it was through her journals that a lot of this information about topless came from what years in nineteen twenty nine Alexandra published a book called magic and mysticism in Tibet in it. She told her encounter with a spiritual phenomenon called Sproule that's the best. I can pronounce it. But she wrote it as top, and hence where the word comes from she explains the topa to be a sort of allusion created by spiritual energy that can look like anything creator chooses to look like and can be mistaken for something real. She also says that an extreme cases, the illusion can be in solid form, if they are of a living being and can take on a life of their own with the possibility of outliving the creator. Oh my God. So the creator dies and they just keep on masturbating. Okay. They can be created either. By spiritual energy or by a person who must work, many hours, create the object into bet. Some believe that some spirits, or deities used, help us to create manifestations of themselves for other people to interact with, and that some lamas not animals. People could create these allusions wit. So like you do it to kind of do your job for you not interact. But they didn't specify as to what kind of interesting. It's those zombies from voodoo where they're doing, like your job for you, interesting. Yeah. So sometimes just a normal person could create a Topo without intending to just by focusing on thought too much. Jesse? That's creepy. Although, Alex Andrea topples to the western world, it was said that in the late eighteen hundreds, there was an effect that people call thought form, which is utilized as a theory on, how ghost manifested as well as an explanation for by location as well. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. In her journals, Alexandra David Neil discusses, how she herself created a topa over a few months time over that time the took on a life of its own and was supposedly seen by others. It was due to that, that it being seen by our that, she took it upon herself to dissolve the topple topa which itself took six months to dissolve it while whenever it was doing that. Six months, pleading with her Cleese or does doing its own thing without realizing we'd have to read her journal. Oh, gosh. Okay aside from Alexandra writings top us came into popular culture in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine comic with Batman in countering Tibetan, men, who uses magic to create creatures that steal from the rich and from the rich and through the TV shows. Twin peaks robinhood topa? Yeah. Twin peaks, X-Files and supernatural. More recently, top us begin popping up on the message board fortune and became very popular with my little pony community most particularly brownies what in which some would create my little pony. Are you kidding bro? If you do a quick internet search there are now whole discussion forums and websites that are dedicated to this information. Did you find one of those stories of who created the my little pony? That is everything. You're literally like new there. You are dash to see you so dedicated to the information, discussion and research of the strange faceting phenomenon known as tapas. Oh my God. That's my favorite thing. God. It's fascinating. I have a. Like you're talking about them being creepy. Tell the really kind of scared me because it's that thing you think it into being in a way while I was also reading something about, like authors like, you know, a lot of authors you being an author say that, you know that their characters speak through them and tell them quote unquote, tell them what to write. So like awful, how that's interesting. Chris that super fascinating. So because so, like, what happens if people have actually written, you get so into the story? And there are definitely times where I'm like, okay, whatever sit down to riot characters gotta do this just got to do this, and that halfway through writing. It's kind of, like, no, that's not the character would do character would do this, and this and it's like the character takes over, then I think it's more that you're so immersed in the scene. Finally, when you're acting that you're then seeing truthfully what your character would do because this thing for acting don't top laments, the siren. Scary. Don't be amazing on siren. All right. Okay. So I'm actually doing the first story because I am doing an expansion of what Chris talked about in kind of getting into a little more information. And this is something that is called the topa effect. And I was texting Chris last night. And I'm like this is probably one of my favorite things I've ever just come across because it explains so much, and it's so fascinating that I think it's really cool Christmas saying that, you know, at topa kind of essence is an imaginary person brought to life, right? Well, says in some interpretations of tell those, the topic can be created simply from a large enough group of people believing in its existence. This is called the topa effect, and kind of more formal definition of, of it is the name given to the unintentional creation of topa based on collective below. Leave of being with similar traits. So it's like we can will these creatures into existence just by believing in them. It's super super crazy, because this is something I never thought of, but a lot of people say that this is the reason that Bigfoot exists. This is the reason that's a London monster exist yet, and that's the biggest one here is done, slender, man. There is an entire set of articles in everything on how slender man, there's yet was created from the top affect, because it kind of people kind of started and then just exploded and people really believe in it. Well, there's this on YouTube, we talked about this, where this woman documents the five, quote unquote, documents, the five year five year span of her boyfriend being obsessed with. Slender. Men in it becoming the top affect. It's fiction as far as I can tell it seems very like Blair witch paranormal activity, but I've watched half the video so far kind of goes, it's done that way, where it's kind of a slow burn from what I understand paranormal activity or something, but it's supposed to be absolutely horrifying. Because it kind of explores that, so the article that I read said that the topa effect theory works, meet Lee with the existing mythos of slender. Man, it allows for readers to acknowledge that the creature was fictionally constructed was was. But leaves the possibility open for the fact that even with fictional origins. He might still exist now or might now exist in the real world. This is Harry, it's a clever way to make characters kind of do that kind of big take form in real shape from being fictional, initially. And it says that they can be fictional and non fictional at once. So it's like a Schrodinger cat. Of, of slender, man or of culpas. And that is horrifying to me, and agreed you a quote that I read that I today. Scary stories to tell the dark they just released a trailer yesterday. New trailer. Yeah, and this is coincidence, this is a quote from that trailer. Some people believe if we repeat the stories often enough, they become real. They make us who we are that can be scary. How coincidental is that what we're talking about? Chronicity. Eagerness city. So I think that, that to me, I've never thought about that as an explanation for some of these creatures and to me, that's just fascinating. But also really scary because I have mitt even though I said, I believe in this stuff when my imagination gets going, I get terrified. Oh, I know to do way, too. Yeah. Chris's seen it. I have way too many nights, especially when that damn what is s TD movie that came out the one? I always oh yeah it follows. Yeah. As soon as that came out thousand that movie got to me, and I'll be laying in bed all the time. And I will start just imagining someone to slowly walking into my bedroom, and turning the corner, and looking at me, and it gets me. So freaked out. I throw shoots over my head. I put on an episode of friends, and just listen to it, but now it's even scarier. And it was last night, because it's like what if I think it into reality because my nation is so crazy. That's why this is so unsettling it really isn't. I think I think it's so interesting too. So that's for me. That's, that's my story. June is busting out. Starting June twenty Friday evening and ending sudden evening June twenty. June ju- Nova to forty-eight come and find out the you from pride forty-eight old thought to subpoenaing little shoes. This is full you on most precious resource. Our listeners, sir. Put a cheese sandwich on the grill and join US June twenty second twenty third for drag forty eight nine eight. This next story comes from anonymous writer, I could not verify if it was fiction or not. But it's a little long. So it goes like this. I'm going to tell you about my experience, creating topa despite it occurring. If you years ago, I remember it was though it was last week. If any of you are tempted to create your own I strongly recommend against it. My reasons are explained for the run. It is no legend top us are very real. It can take anything from two hundred to five hundred hours to complete one depending on the creator of so specific. Yeah. I was a few good hundred hours into mind before I stopped, I had chosen to work on a replica of myself purely, because it is the easiest to do when I began I had no idea. It was going to work. I am always exploring the supernatural and the paranormal performed countless experiments in the majority of them have let me left disappointed by the time I started on my top, I was used to being let down imagine my surprise when I could feel it coming together way before I could see anything it's difficult to explain but it was similar to the sensation. I get when I'm being productive except. All I was doing was sitting there staring concentrating the sensation you get when you're being productive. Okay. That kind of little rush kind of. Begin to take shape at first I could see the outlines kind of like light on someone's shoulders when the sun is behind them this gradually bled over until I was looking at a vague figure of God next I defined its general shape, removing any irregularities and feeling in gaps eventually the top was fully formed, I was during a replica of myself. Oh my God. Would you have sex with it? If you saw a total of yourself gross really. I watched it for a while admiring my own work. I remember the way it watched me back. This is the weirdest explanation here like a customer getting a haircut. I put fiction w. By this point, it was like an image from a projector my fingers pass through it. When I tried to touch it during the next stage of its creation. I would give it the ability to interact with its environment. It wasn't long after this. I changed my mind about the whole thing, I remember one point realizing its features where a little more elongated than mine, slight longer face teeth is limbs fingers. And there was something incredibly disturbing about the way it watch me when I first start started on my top with stay put whenever I wasn't working on it. It always waited patiently in that room for me to return and continue. Then one day, I was washing my face and it was behind me in the mirror. Staring. I stood there heart pounding for what felt like our far you remember. It was still only image. I swam hand through it just to make sure if all of me everywhere around the house after that, but I would never see walking it would just suddenly behind me beside to be in the reflection of something I begin to get very frightened. It all became too much one night. I decided to stop working on it, and just wait for it to disappear. It took a month and a half a mother and I have a watching following. It was always there, some ten staring without expression, sometimes smiling with its long teeth some nights, it would get braver. I would wake up and it would be standing over my bed. Oh my God. A warped version of myself, just waiting for me to open my eyes, sometimes it would be a company by a sour odor. What was more terrifying month or so in waking up and seeing it's faded figure standing at the end of the room like a shadow still watching by this point. I was barely sleeping whenever I close. My lives I could feel. It's is on me. The nights. I did sleep. I would have the worst nightmares imaginable, and it only got worse from their picture waking up from a terrible. Do realize the nightmare was compounded the wars. And what did he had sleep paralysis and stay there and you're smiling, but it's long teeth. I hardly ate my weight plummeted at one point my boss asked me to do a drug test while as time went on the shadow became less and less apparent the days begin, brighter, again my nightmares. More tolerable than one morning. I couldn't see it anymore nor feel it following night. I slept like a log. It's what I knew I was really free. So please don't mess around with culpas. I know it's tempting to try the concept. Intrigue me at first, too, but I learned my lesson and thankfully, before it was too late. I'm just grateful. I got a unharmed. Imagine if I had given it the ability to interact, the then tried to get rid of it, it lasts days and would have been more been much more terrifying. Consider this a warning. If you have a mind like mine, you'll make something dark and regret it. Topples mental state relies on its creators. Remember that? Wow. That is so cool. Okay. I love that. Like I was like this is fiction because of the hairdresser, but it's so subtle. And it really like he creates it. Nothing horrible happens dissipates, but it's that was really good. Yeah. That's so crazy. Okay. So how long Wirtz teeth got close its mouth. I was like one of those fish, you know, what the big old t. Okay. Oh, okay. Let's listen. Lisa Simpson whenever they show her what would happen if she didn't get braces. Through her head. Oh, grow really disturbing. How long can your teeth getting we look normal, and like I'm just imagine indicate this dirty, but it's funny to me, like you're laying there one night, and like, you get the bottle of lotion, and you get all like. Your pants. He's watching, and you're sitting there and suddenly, look over and he's like this long teeth just smiling. No. That's, that's that'd be super creepy. Wow. That's awful. That's so cool. All right. Well, after that, I am going to talk to you. This is like a good progression of the story of Livia Mabel, never heard of good because this is creepy. A f so this, I'm not going to sleep tonight. The Mabel family lived in a quiet suburb of get this, Selena Texas of an hour, north of Dallas. So yeah, you know where it is? So I don't know where Selena's at, but Selena. Selena, Hugh, Texas, whatever. L A, and it's weird haven't heard of it, but there's so many little towns. And if it's an hour north, it's going to be far enough away. So, but it was the mother Livia the father Travis and the son Aiden were perfect nuclear family until nineteen ninety this Lear recently. Oh, yeah. Have you ever heard of that? Oh, so it's like a lot of time with white people because our your nuclear family is immediate family. Like just mother son's like brother sister. That's it. I never heard that you'll have your extended family, which has aunts uncles. Yes. So why hold? We always are basically just nuclear family. I never knew that. Yeah. So I was thinking, like something like radiation. The comic family. Well, but they were perfect until nineteen ninety this recent. Oh on March thirteenth of nineteen ninety Little Aden was found dead. In a pond victim of an accidental drowning. He was seven years old Livia was overcome with grief and retreated from work, her social life, even her marriage a year later, Livia and Travis divorced, September of nineteen ninety one remember that was the last time anyone saw Livia alive because she just retreated. She hold up on February twenty seven of nineteen ninety four so two and a half years later police received silent nine one one call originating from the Mabel house creepy, a writing at the house, they broke down the door and entered what they initially thought was an abandoned place values mess in the air was thick with dust searching, the house, though. They found eight bedroom was immaculate. Livia was in the room wearing a nightgown slippers, clutching a crew to stick figure dull seated in a rocking chair, she was dead. And she. Appear to have been dead for a long time. Several months, at least in front of her dead body in the rocking chair was a crude altar made up of trunk covered with the child's bedsheet on the alter was a photo of Aden hand-drawn images of Aden profusion of messages, handwritten to aid in Baya, Livia, personal possessions of agents, including a baseball glove teddy bear a pair of shoes, and earn containing ashes, candles, flowers and affixed to the front of the altar was ceremonial writing in a language that they didn't recognize but turned out to be sense. Crit- what the, the writing translated in English as to build or to construct, this sounds more like she's trying to conjure him more than light even beyond the top, like you would like say, a demon or something like that yet, and that's so that in it's some of it's unclear as to what it was that there were there was turns out, there's an investigator who actually has kind of parable background. And that'll become a little bit later. So now that seems already weird. In addition, investigators found in note dated that exact same day. She'd been that for months, but it was dated that day that same day note, said my eight and I'm sorry. I'm so sorry I should never have let it get like this. I'm leaving a will not let you keep me you vile evil creature. Mummies coming for you. Eight in my sweet Aidan. Mommy loves you. And this is awful copy of this note online almost listening, my be stained with tears or she's really old but it's creepy. So never get to franchesca Santiago. She was one of the first officers on the scene. And she said, I spent a lot of time in Paso had an uncle that was into some really dark occult stuff. I recognize it immediately. When I walked in that room and saw the symbols and the photos on that alter, I felt a strong angry presence, living over may. See this case, there's like a fine line between top Amancio Nick Roman see here. True. That is true. Because because I mean, most people know, but basically, it's magic involving communication with the dead and by summoning their spirit, or apparition, you know, things like that. That's true. But she said that based on the altar the sanskrit the doll. Isolated the obsession, Santiago felt that Livia Mabel manage to channel her momentus agreed into the creation of topa. She said that she believed now it said here that we have to all one do back to the letter. And they did say that it was posted. Right. But how is it posted on the actual day that they found her that day unless someone was in the house? Right. So, so she's like some resent. What does this mean? Right. So they believe or she believed that the topa that she created an eight image got of control. Took on a life at the victim of its own because it said here that the topa is endowed with enough, I Taliban or it can be to be capable of playing the part of a real being it can free itself from the makers control. Yes. And it says just as the child when they're given birth or free from the womb, the topa once created becomes free from that person. And we also then finally have to look at another thing. Chris, lemme ask you who placed the nine one one call. There's nobody in the house. Correct. So the hell did silent nine one one call came from the house, and she'd been harassed VR, the top of putting well play for the phone call because she'd been dead for months, something place this call and you may be is it a prankster or something? But why would they go there and joke around with a dead body in the room that had been there for months? So you have a note dated that day. And then you have a call coming in to nine one one that same day. Fucking scary, and it's real supposedly that's going to be part of my debunk. Okay. Because what I found online work pictures of her pictures of Aden pictures of this note. And so it also also say that creepy enough there is a website that you can go to right now where they're still looking for formation to solve the mystery and there's, then there's actually from what I saw their sound files, I'd lower. They are but I was sure as hell last night. Loosening listening to the sound files. I am not okay with this story. This story is awful in that create. God. All right. Your turn. This story I got off a topa message board. The person that wrote it says this last night, I was feeling really down about something I was lying in bed trying to get to sleep. But I was able to because I felt so shitty I said, only remember the fact that I tried to make a top us some time ago I think it was around December last year. Something like that, eventually stopped, because they perceived it as, as not working and dismissed everything about top entail. Well now anyways, I don't know why. But in my head, I called for the topa I made to help me quick background in for the top. I had been trying to form a character of mine, who I've been passively writing drying since high school. So I had a well formed idea of her personality and stuff. I wanted to start from her at the time, because I figured it would be the easiest, all of a sudden, like to have a right, the story for her what she thinks you want start with that character because she knew her so, well, okay. I see. At all of a sudden ahead is weird. Sensation of my thoughts being blocked out muffled as if by some large blanket, try them. I it took great effort for me to even recall what I was so sad about. I mean I could recall it. But the emotions of sadness I felt before was at that time inaccessible in my head. I thought I was going. I heard go to sleep, and I definitely did feel quite sleepy that wasn't enough to make me think I had a top though. But then I felt a steady pressure on my forehead. I suddenly remembered head pressures being topa thing I was dull -ted awake actually started panicking. I tried communicating. With the head voice last hope. And I had this weird sensation of overlap, the head voice seemed to be coming from some other part of my brain. Sorry, I don't know how to word this, and I was not conscious of any sensation of putting parroting parrot parenting, which I remember doing back in December. I also couldn't catch what the head voice was saying at times. Because her replies were coming sometimes before I finished the question east. The head pressure was pretty intense too. I asked her to relieve it trying to see if there's any link between the voice and the head pressure. The voice said something to the effect of all try and the head pressure to mice dominant lifted I couldn't stop thinking about this, though into eventually returned after a little bit though. It always be temporally slowly disappear, if the head voice to stop anyways at that point, I was in full panic mode. I didn't know if I had a top if my attention December's were successful or if it's just that and somewhere combination of me containing. I write about this character became really scared because I didn't know if I actually wanted a topa also, I don't know, if I was just having some intense crazy experience. I told the voice to go away that I would call her finding her or something I forgot what the voice, but it didn't seem to hurt to her or anything, though. I did perceive, a small sense of anger. Nothing about though. It just delicti new was up in regards to what I was feeling. I don't know. So I just woke up all the emotions, I had last night before I had the weird topa experience came back, and I feel bad again. I call the tapas name and such and got a feeling of emptiness, whatever that thing was last night. I guess it just listened to me when I told it to go away, unless I needed it, does anyone having insight on what is happening. Wow. So, like you create this Talbot to help you and like the first thing it does like smashes into your heading if you headache, and he's like, please go away. Like you're very helpful what he should have done was looked at it like a customer looks at a hairdresser, only those the weirdest description in that store I did not get that analogy. Trying to even think him ahead like what is this? Look like. I just look, you look in the mirror, and that's it. Maybe like when you're looking you're reflecting hairdresser behind. It's not like a like, okay. Like I was thinking an emotion, I was too, but now that you said that, oh, you're looking at your hair and the seat right there. Behind all creepy. Creepy imagine every time you look in the mirror. I'm not gonna look in the mirror forever that poor guy or girl who wrote that. It's I think it's interesting that it sounds like. Well, now that I think about it, it can apply to a lot of pulp culture and stories, and that when you stop thinking about it, the topa kind of disappear. So these your thoughts and isn't that like that guardians of the galaxy or something movie where Santa in the Easter bunny them they exist because people believe in them that's not guardians. Some Christmas movie or something or they exist, because people believe in them, or that's basically saying that Santa's topa sample at Santa exist, because people believe in him what it was. It was elf. Yeah, what's the movie where, where the like the thing that kid, but Lee measuring for the Kibble lived, and as they got older, they started forgetting about it, and it disappears. Yes. That's that movie is pretty sad. That is. But yes, I guess those are all told us why Santa is a toll Santa. That's crazy story come bra. Okay. Our show just for a second tuck to you about pod, coin. 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So I I'm going to talk about the specific case of Livia Mabel, or whatever that is the story that I told. So there are a lot of people who believe in the story, or want to believe there is all that information online. But many have also come to the conclusion that the whole story is viral hoax, or marketing for maybe even a movie that could happen. Here's what's currently known. No bitchy Aries are death certificates under the name Livia Mabel, Jane Mabel, or the maiden name listed on the eight and Mabel death certificate. A living Rene Harper. So no decorative for her death certificate for Aden, the child does exist. But it's often Tissot is unverified. The cause of death is listed by death by misadventure, which actually could apply to it. But here's the thing is that the place where this district if it was issued or signed. Was at Roten funeral home in Carrollton, Texas, and I and I've been to Carol too many times. And it's India, w and it's at least forty minutes from their town, what you're saying. It's in BFE like India, w and so they're like, they don't they don't think it's the same person because why would you, you drive from an hour hour and not even to the outskirts, but into Dallas and indicated to go there, you know what I mean? Now, Selena Texas does exist, but there are no current listings that fit the description of Maples thirteen acre ranch with a pond in the backyard in Celina Texas built before nineteen ninety finally, this is kind of the biggest thing, no family members of the Maples have ever been interviewed, or contacted for information or insight into this case think who's the most obvious person here to talk to Travis. The husband ex husband was divorced moved out. He's the most. Undocumented person in the whole story so report that he moved to New England and remarried before via was found, but no record of social media accounts could be linked to anyone that fits his name Agere background. And he's never once been interviewed or spoken to. Yeah. So weird to be like, well, we had this story. Let's go talk to the one person who's still alive. And they didn't do that. Sounds like a good movie though. Make a great mood it. Good movie. Oh, wow. That would be an I like said endings, and that would kind of be creepy set ended I prefer happy endings, but you know. Sounds can't do. Am I doing it? So finally, for topa themselves. Found something. I mean, of course there's, you know, schizophrenia could explain it if someone we're suffering from that. But I looked into it a little bit and found the thing that, you know, called dissociate identity disorder which used to be in the DSM listed as multi personality disorder. Exactly. And that's kind of a is the referral personal time, where people have multiple personalities obviously. So it's the presence of two or more distinct personality states. Now, here's the thing about them is that a lot of times, whenever you see cases of this, the personalities don't know about each other, but they can. So that's why that could explain the existence of top is whenever you have one personality, then interacting with another personality. Both known that could definitely explain the existence of this, imaginary friend or imaginary person. That's there. And that was weird because I do a lot of debunk stuff and they're so little, but one article that really mentioned it just one sentence of that. And so then I had to go kind of digging to see more information, but it sounds like that these people could could suffer from d from because there's time disturbances that are associated with it. So tying can kinda get mixed up in it. So it's just it's just one possible explication Chris's, give me skeptical skeptic out, because I would skip the size of that because I also read stuff like on the psychology and stuff in that. It basically says that help amend, there's the people that create tapas. They're not hallucinations. And that's what the difference is between having a mental illness. And they know the difference that it's something that they've created and not a hallucination. I think that only choice here is for you to try to create a Tulsa. No. I think you should go first. Okay. Oh, no. I can't. Because if followed just gonna walk into the room. All right. Or can't even don't you dare I left him out of this conversation. Specifically his reason. So I can honestly say I do believe in top laments. The and I thought you might as I have said millions of four. Anybody knows of our history and our podcast, the mind is a powerful thing that we know very little about mental manifestation is very possible like when they say, if you put out enough positive energy into the world, it will come back to you. You know, the same thing goes for like sills, which you may not know what a single is. But. It's another form of manifestation in a different way you can interrupt. So maybe. Yeah. So that's how topple works. You spend enough time thinking about the same thing, and it will become real real for everyone. Maybe not. But real to you, the creator. And with that topples are not necessarily a bad thing either. Even if we don't quite understand it. I creating does requires a lot of meditation. It has been scientific scientifically proven that meditation has tremendous benefits on over overall health shirt in a blog, I read on psychology today, the writer states that quote topa mentors reported, overwhelmingly positive experiences, overall, increased happiness, and more confidence in challenging social situations, unquote, interesting. He continued saying that people with certain dull concerns like depression, anxiety, ADHD also spoke of overall improvement. This is not something I would use myself for any kind of mental health issue, but for those who can do into it successful. Successfully the more power to you. I mean, if you think about it a Topo used by Tabet monks to create DVD's that being said, if you choose, you must likely can create your own higher power, and if it brings, you comfort and happiness, why not. On the on the opposite side of the coin, though. If you are manifesting something evil, it could backfire the true crime story of the two girls attempted to murder in the name of slender, man earlier, maybe, to them, slender man was a top of the thought of him so much to and that to them, he became a manifestation go this into our episode on it. Yeah. As I said, before, be careful what you create anyone can create a topa his best to leave it to the experts in tristen. That's really, really cool. It's interesting. So I guess the moral the story is imaginary. Fringe good. Yeah. So cool. I think we're you said about though about putting good things out in the universe in happens. Like I put a lot of like not paranormal into that I put it whenever you do that. And that means you're probably trying harder being kinder and everything. And people recognize that and I don't believe that nice guys finish last. I definitely don't believe that. So that's why I feel like whenever you're putting positive energy in the universe. You're actually taking. Action and that's being rewarded. Manifesting that I mean, in the sense that when you think those things put that energy out there. You that becomes your positive mindset, is what affects your overall whatever. We're all being on a nice topa, then. All right. Okay. So you said you're weeklies different this week, right? A little bit. This is probably a BS weekly. I in which this also supports my. My believer, wow, he's desperate. So okay, it was hard to find something on top us for this. I found something unimaginably friends, cool. According to the article, I read kids, have imagined friends grow up to be creative adults. Not only that it says that kids have imaginary friends have better coping skills, and better coping skills. Okay. And as ETA leci-, it helps them in alleviating. Feelings of loneliness on top of being more likely to seek out more to seek out social connections adolescents, with imaginary friends or at the head imagining kids. Okay. Here's helps them with leaving and feelings of loneliness and seeking out social connections as adults who had imaginary kids, those adults show to have a higher sign of cognitive function, and creativity. Wow. So this weekly further supports believer in that having imaginary friends, or creating tapas can have positive long lasting effects. Okay. So this kind of raises a question for me. I thought every kid had imaginary friends. I didn't. I told me that explains a lot I saying, I'm low cognitive function. No. I mean, I had tons of friends, I smoke everywhere they talked to my stuffed animals like imaginary friends would custody that because mine were usually imaginary animals, because I think I mentioned to you that me and my because your Saint Francis, this say Francis. So we would go me, my twin sister and walk to school. And there was a little hole in the ground on the way to school and our bunny. Friends speedy in Jennifer with spears. Jennifer lived in the hole, and we would talk to them and have them, race and run around and do stuff like that's an imaginary friends, right? That's so crazy there, wonderful I miss speedy Gonzales. No. Because I don't wanna culture appropriate or be offense. Oh, yeah. That, that cartoon was pretty offensive but it was a product of its time. Mice speedy was a white bunny. Relation. Well, thank you guys for diving into this absolutely fascinating. In weird top. Oh my God. It was so cool creepy an amazing. So thank you. All again, for listening to us. You can find us all our pod. Catchers, by searching BS pod. Ph x make sure to go to pod coin and inter our code Bs p and you can get some points from that. So listen to us there and if you have any questions concerns stories you can Email us at pod paychecks at Gmail dot com. Yeah. I think if people have experienced with culpas reach out to us because this is one, I say, like this is so much fun. But this is one of the coolest topics, I think we've done, and it also feels like for as many people as claim to be able to create them and how it's just doable, you would think that there'd be proof of this. And not only that, like what we've done today we've barely scratched the surface barely. There's so much. Out there. And again, people are people creating help us limit ride. I feel left out. But anyway, so also my book guy to defeating siren available. It's pride month so it would make a wonderful gift and I'm trying to get three done quickly as possible. And is that is that everything? Okay. We'll ton go. Krieger, topless people. Let us know how it goes ahead. Bye.

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201: Candymancer

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201: Candymancer

"Welcome to fit storm. Only game design podcast by two guys. Nothing about comedy. No game design on of golfing with me. That's always has been sleeping. Welcome to the back. Two hundred of the back two hundred. Yeah we did. The frontier honored nail. Or on the back two hundred. And then what happens when we get to the end of this two hundred we find any costs. So it's just. It's all about the gulf coast. I don't go the pulse as it were. The puck costs show Yeah hey hey everyone on the puck coast not what is on that many of pods to break the metaphor to pieces. I think we're going to jump right into some ramped up quick pitch We may bring in some other segments that we kinda played with loss. We have. We've got some come with them to do that as we might do. Some movie tie and we might give a second chance. Click bitch dry from absurd number two. But i think let's start with regular old ramped up. Click pitch and this is a game where we each have a random would generate a in front of us and on the count of three to one click. We're going to get a new phrase and edgy than any other hand. Say the maitland. And we're gonna turn that into a game design. That's the game. Let's play it on a k three. Two one pitch. Yeah i mean click. Mandated flagging traveled. Wrecking flagging is kind of like to slow down again. Run out of steam. Perhaps if you've flagging unless you're flagging down motorists also turn. Yes yes that's a good option. Particularly traveled mid traveled. And what was the other one like this wreck. king wrecking. So this is classic. Urban legend mood like he Deal ease now do you. Yeah while i'm trying to think where the kind of gameplay comes from these. Because i almost had a sense of like an katy kind of the all the hitchhiker and getting a call. But you've better know what the this some sort of something happens while you're in the car. And at some point you inevitably kill the people in the cau- goes off the rails or goes out of control crashes. You have to survive that crash and get in another car to get we. Maybe just like the challenges of getting cross country when you have an edge to kill every twenty minutes and the little thing can set you off. It's things like people saying he no. They approach life. And you made right whereas the game gameplay comes from like is this. Some sort of balance may the affectively of sort of how unhinged movement and and. How does that change based on your like the dialogue that you having with people in the car is i suggest you play stupid games. And that's going to kick it up a notch. I you sort of making decisions. Is this one of those things. He come up with a few multiple choice. Decisions in depending on how. You got your stats. China Get pushed over the homicide threshold and then at the end. It tells you okay. Judging by your your answers and the people that you murdered your far-right all spectrum on a pretty sure mid or everyone in the car all the time they near ori far. But i'm picturing this as like a top down so you must like a grand theft auto sort of where you've got a little character and you can be walking along and you can. You can hitchhike. You know you can put your thumb out you can. Maybe you've got some sort of survival mechanics. We have to scavenge like trash trash style. Full like spend you spend what little money you have in dry cleaning by food. That could be part of it. Like to get picked up you want. You wanna look your best. Look you don't wanna smell look like a motor though you are and yes. There's going to be a lot of dry cleaning depending on your mo. I suppose. I suppose one of the best things to have in your backpack is actually one of those old wash boards so that you can like really those things in the river. 'cause i'm content coming from son of his imaging on in mind of your sort of tracking the caught. Your you've you've got a ride. It's sort of the cameras from above following that car and a sing it drive along the highway or whatever and then you made an e just say like blood splat out from the sides of the because he was literally just killed. Everyone inside ola wants. starts veering the ride leaving blood and and and skied marks behind it. And you have to choose the right moment to jump up for explodes. Yup now i you an actual person or are you a supernatural being. That's my next question like is this food that you could. Non insatiable hunga was problematic. Can just a serial killer. It would mainly wouldn't have to delve into the psychology around. Why this person is is literally killing random people Yeah that's cool. Maybe some sort of alien creature just imagining the hunger meter that goes. Dan really really quickly while the urge to kill me to sort of up. Well it may just be that we replace it with the hunger and even gets too low. You will attack and kill anybody nearby con of zombie like he. Yeah when they enter the hunger yes yeah rage outta whatever. It is going full on then. Yeah that's cool then it'd be more of we'll maybe you literally are. Maybe like a zombie in the early stages. Where if you don't get human flesh. He do go on some sort of rampage and that could be part of it right like you haven't eaten in long enough. You haven't managed to get a ride and so now you've gone full rides zombie and you're just like grabbing people you've control then you just kind of getting in front of 'cause they stop and he pull him out and it's like but but then you're gonna get cops off you're going to get the army coming. You're gonna get attacked yup and so yeah. It's the goal is getting people to people. Don't question the occasional car wreck on. I am on a highway. They do question blood slut. Blood site sates and the car just sitting on the side of the road well off eight corpses. They do question eyewitness reports of someone getting hit by getting back out pulling the people out of the car and eating them on the side of the right so yeah. I think it's about getting across the country without getting too much hate and by killing yet. So i'm i'm seeing this as you can. Maybe even have a conscience as zombie that you enter a car and it's a young mother and a child all can't don't want to be in this situation as as you start getting hungry so you asked for the polite and the rest stop and go and actually like yeah. You've basically taking the chance then. All these people are really good. I don't wanna kill them. Hunger at about twenty seven percent. So i've got a little bit of time to find someone who's an asshole. Yeah that's cool. I like that dynamic. Actually i think if you're in a somewhat populated town and you can sort of say okay in three kilometers. We're going to be coming out to arrest. How long is it going to take for this for this hunger to get low enough i am. I going to be able to control the rage and do my little mini gains to to keep like that. Under control like ten percent you start getting many games again hotter and hotter a quicktime sort of meditation. Things trying to rudolph all he can file it to just or just hit the button. Yeah that's cool that's cool and and with all the people that you sort of procedurally generating in the guy you can then stole some stats to this person. They were and still bring up. You know you. It's obvious that you don't like but you are very against the pro-life is you're very against these people. I guess many babies. And yeah. I like that. Yeah how many people you sped by like. Oh how many close calls you had essentially of way you win the you gotta have the car when you lower than twenty percent or something. How many of you you killed with particular views. That's fun that'd be fun to. That's hat how judgmental you actually a can be like. You might be dry. Dentist centers like whatever i'll kill. Yes that's fun that you're a munster to me. I mean i know but okay so you. Three to lowest gang miserable miracle. I'm getting a we'd vibe. It's a mix between the movie. Markle john travolta to drill bit tyler wilson. I was thinking that you were going to go something like there's michael and then there's the warriors i'm thinking of these high school gangs. I think this is like okay. I think this is more gang as in like hey gang and then there's a cheat and the gang so the thing that kind of thing and you've got gangs at school and you do have you know there's also these these high rockies all popularity and intimidation in different things and essentially you'll the lowest yaw whatever we decide the lowest is in the school doesn't necessarily have to be the klay shade nodes of the lowest whatever but it could be an angel joins us. Now you playing the angel or you. Playing someone who's notice days we'd goings on. You're trying to get to the bottom of of who these new cases this michael who's just joined the options. We could either place someone who is in the gang. Initially one of the kids. I think i feel like that makes the most sense. I'm not sure what so again. This is yet. Obviously there's some married in there but yet it it. It has very much kind of maybe nineties. Movie vibe end. The angels can help them become popular and being the you know. Everyone's gonna want to be in a gang. Instead of taking much money the throw them in walkers okay icon like that idea but i wanna throw little wrinkling the end. Joe that When you get to the end and it's like oh. Wow you've been in angel along like yes an angel and the just signed a name naming blah whatever actually made a deal with the devil sort of thing that we switched given the switzer. No hell yeah either that or one of the other. Gangs has a damon and Nigel i mean i'm just trying to think Angels actually good. I mean they're imaginary beings so that can be whatever we want them to exactly. Maybe this physician angel defected advisedly. He's trying to trying to get you to sell your soul to the devil. So he's actually. He's a full maitland. Let me get you to sell your soul to god because like god could have some shifty ways of getting people to love. Have we always. We always go to these these you know highfalutin ideas like yeah. We're i'm not finding the game. They one so i think. Let's go for gin okay. One more and then we're going to do a movie. yeah show three thome wrong. To- fuss t t. Oh okay onto under thinking looking. Welcome logo something now. I was actually thinking if he's saying archive. I'm kind of liking deep in the bowels of like a library or or some of that new you find like shriveled up tough and a nagy trying to trying to figure out what actually happened. This obviously happened many years ago. And you actual like. I'm picturing room goethe's old archive document boxes. Yup like whether it's evidence or it's like some sort of different case case files of some sort not wanna at time full that none of the evidence bags are actually missing any evidence. It was just rory floating in the here. You look at the the manifest or whatever the contents of foot spiced in the box and everything's looking looking for the line one shriveled up or at least the would toe and you don't see the would the counters physically says you dc missing sure volpentest. But that doesn't seem rely but then you find that another box later on most of the boxes. That's just that's the library so say you're an archivist. You'll you'll going through trying to try to work out the or at least go through these old cold cases and and try to sort them into which ones have been solved in the end which ones you die if he brought fullwood will. I wonder if this is some sort of like paranormal thing way. You're in the of his university. And yeah you're you're basically you're doing grunt work you are you are you. You're intend to the office to something like you'll going through a news. Having to fox's duffy knock find that this whole shelf is like the discarded cases from the paranormal division of division of the university. That is that was long since disbanded. Okay you and unjust. I need 'cause i'm picturing. This happens all over the place. I you digitizing records show so you hoping is that you opening up the box in vr. I'm picturing and putting on the scanner and digitizing because mundane work is funding. They are okay. I like that idea. Especially because with the parables of the stuff obviously very quickly some weeds shoes happen and he starts getting things. And as use basically reopen these cases. It's not just reading cases. It's like reawakening some of the things that they relate to any can have some thread gone picturing the on that you can have with like people whispering behind you and stuff like that like really up close and you turn around. There's nothing and you turn back in the day when you turn back for the fifth time. Not the third way you see predictable on their toys. It's it's a random prime number. I turned around for the thirteenth time. And that's cool. I you could do some really fun horace up with that. Let's let's get a bit more to to some of the narrative stuff because sometimes it will and we tend to just leave it there. There's the idea for the sorry somebody inspiration for this is from a podcast of listening to recently called the black types which is a really fun horror audio drama thing. Donna's like a documentary style some feeling that maybe there's some specific demon was sort of accidents summoned by this division early on With this a pagan demon or is it. I is i unknown thing nonreligious or is let's take away. Let's go let's move away from the religious stuff. i think it's just some sort of lovecraft in hawera. yeah maybe love coffee or just nonspecific. Kind of other dimensional. evening Love crafting in the sense of they wouldn't have other worldly yet they wouldn't have noticed this plane of existence if this payroll division had essentially gone at parked over with and being missing with ally for. Yeah yeah so. I want to watch fringe again on eight straight me. I'm fragile so yeah. I think you take it case. By case you're you're pulling out of the bulky looking at them Is there some other research than you doing. This kind of one of those Computer like google or something. Or whatever yeah. I think unlike a lot of the gains where it's frame moving random little stuff i i do like the idea of being specific like areas the eat that you moving over to teleporting like with a little bit of room scale that you can sort of walk around a little bit in area but you can teleport to a predetermined the rick. And morty game did that limit. They'll sort of a bunch of little room scowl size squares that you can move a bad which is good so you are like that. You've got like you research computer. You've got your in what spicer way opening the boxes and stuff. You've got this shelf where the other boxes are you've got like the Boarded up like paranormal lab. That you can eventually get to once you work out. What the facility team. And i like the idea that is right there the whole time then. It's not until you get to like case number full. You moved you move the shelf slightly to the side. Naves the door to like yet faint accessible with the entire time even going there. I think he's going. But i think i like that idea of opening up to as you sold things like as you progress through the story. Essentially that's cool. And i want the players to be like fucking freaked out going to be expecting like a massacre like the the aftermath of but demonic massacre in and be really hesitant to go in and then it's not it's clean. It's just something about like an old like telephone that that starts ringing and all this other stuff just having the real sort of tactile ring the and this is something you bet actually having exactly. Yeah because you can tell the difference between a bell. And i rang digital ring time for so there's something about Feel that can cussing movement of that the bell ringing when you get when you go up to the professor who got you doing this you know having to actually listened extinction directly with the with the with the reuters. Yeah that'd be fun. There's something about the pulse that come back zip entity have to go. I liked it. I think it is modern times still. Oh yeah and perhaps like. It's one of those things just doesn't work then or at least a It stops working fairly quickly. I'll favorite thing which is to not have not have reception on your on your phone. Offer awhile all the batteries running down classic chart of both movies and they're like anything that needs the narrative where they conscious cova help riders. And then they're on the aldride refine and you have to like these things like he stopped. Lending extensions to other places in the building. That you can call your. I like the idea that actually early on before you've spent that much about it. You just bind the extension full the paranormal division and like talk to someone there and then the next thing you find out is that the paranoia division has been shut down for twenty five years. All this is something wrong and then you call it back and this is like deadline. But nobody's breeding. You have the person that you talk to the professor. And he's got that all prospective voice of why that person die. This department has main around for twenty five years. The whole time to say they can do that. That's fine that's really funny. Professor some be was one of the weirdest professes. But i love working with him. That's how the game sometimes dead is better. Not a line from pet cemetery in friggin. Stephen king her don't know up to the old cabin. For what are you talking about. He sent me down here. somebody died. don't go down to the old archive rooms. The calls coming from inside the house. Though i called you and i know wearing the same place. I'm really all the archive room. You shouldn't go to the archive being dead. Twenty five years all right now. We don't a movie we're doing movies. Have you want to explain for those people who didn't listen to episode two hundred back yet. Yes so what we're going to do is we've got a nice little random movie. Bought that trump has made here. It's going to pull a movie at random as you would imagine. It's going to give us a the title a little synopsis in the dates of release. And where are the going to make a movie tie in a game that ties into that movie as if it was released around that time. All it doesn't really lend itself to what we might take the title of the movie and come up with a brand new gags on museum. This is just a new version of on our old segment unnecessary. Movie tyne exactly. Yeah so it's still unnecessary. We've got a fancy little ball verse three to one and but we both do yes. Duquet have to thousands autumn in new york. I have nineteen ninety. Nine candyman cain. That one sounds more interesting for just do her thing. So i'm wanting to take it as this is kind of like a candyman in the way of willy wonka and not a not a demonic being who you say his name three times into a mirror and it comes he comes out. I'm thinking this is a candy. Man sit in mexico on a day of the dead festival. Okay okay. i don't know much about the culture there. I do know that i think i believe there is like candy. Involved in that have candy skulls. Isn't that like a part of it. it could be. I know we we with that. We can we can go with something around just the idea of candy man and you know some sort of some sort of festival also just something. That isn't necessarily willy. Wonka our us a whimsical candy based game where you play a at chocolate or a candy maker candy wizard who candy whiz it like a literal candy with like a staff made a licorice wound care. I did what my clothes are made of candy. I'm very sticky. The snozzberries tastes like stalls. Don't touch barry. Very apartments snozzberries The game is costing candy spells. Is this hogwarts esque candy. Wizard school has yet again via this. This in my head like a combination between like a zombie shoulda and just this kind old candy wizard. Who's trying to trying to get in life and trying to feel nice but then he gets caught up in like some sort of sort of crazy situation that he's going to like maybe some of the candy being creating has come to life. Is this a situation where i kind of like what you said there about these candy wisit. He spent his whole life studying. Fucking superman the sugar up so that he can bring joy to children but he gets caught up in sort of the rest of the like the stuff. that's just daca and it's just. It's a fish out of water situation where he somehow cold upon till like destroy a doc dockery something and all because a dog. Nick roman. who's who's like going crazy and started turning all the all the townspeople into into zombies and elizabeth stephanie's he's going to go with each get sugary traits. Old sugar sugar. Basically make romance them hints wise day of the dead eye candy mansa versus an incremental candyman neckermann candy mansa fatigue. Caney means yes never the demands. Okay so what does what does the candy mansa. He's obviously control over can't so he brings to life. He brings like yeah. I'm trying to think what his colleague as have affected spells so yeah he's at these happening to to twist. What would usually be these joyful spells into violent things. So he's many's likely creates a pinata the explodes and just candy. Shrapnel comes out everywhere in all directions. Yeah fucking well. It's like it's like pop rocks and sarita episode ask. The guest builds often just explode out. Yeah so that's officially like landmine grenade thing. Yeah i think he can call on me of fucking gingy permitting. Gummy bears that the swamp someone pulled down. You can like wrap people up in cover. the laker whips. All you can cover like literally melted. Sugar burns inches dip them in chocolate. Okay he's definitely gonna liquorice one that liger schwab that makes sense. Yes i what. What sort of will is he going. Randy like doc and dreary dreary weld and everything he does got like these bright colors so that you can. I think you've got the ways my sing. Like maybe it's even musical or something but he's like he's house at. It's all bright colors. This easy super whimsey coal within the creating decorations at of sugary candy in his house. And then he. It's like he gets a knock on the door and it's just like gray and writing and dreary and his wizard there and just grab clark and that kind of kicks off your the. You'll the like a huge explosion. A the dead attacked the wizard parliament. And like i m designated survivor. He's been your the most powerful is at that we've got like your pal and like i think he's quite powerful. It's just he's palpable in canes the end not useful one this is something about like being held like do little one waving in vr to to basically get it to fire at a muffin. You do a finger right and then and then a flea can you. And you create like a no opinion oiled sleet across across flick is molten sugar or something like that. Yeah yeah. I think he can like assign different. May you can assign like different attacks to different gestures. Okay so you can't turn people in into sugar. You can only command. So it's all about like as you're going along you you go to keep racehorses up so you going into people's houses and finding like sugar and and that's the wall dan just yoga all buddy something either absorbed into your body cape it in like a fanny pack thing because you basically to work that i like it. In the way that in like avatar like the lost ebitda the water is have like just a flask on their bill up allows gordeyev. Did they could just pull out and fleeing and and put back away so yeah he's just got like a bag of sugar. Yeah and i just like the the idea that as you going through the town and stuff like that you've got to you got to keep an eye out for sugar supplies and you see. Is this game. Play like the lost of us but going around like picking up supplies sneaking around. It's like oh there's one of the fucking dead that's being raised or i created shougang spear and but bright colors full i e beer and it's like a fucking lollipop twisted fairy false. Oh yeah it's it's all about the. The different sort of suga swayed wait that you can sort of put together the time the tiny gummy bears. You can sort of throw at then you can grow too big size and they basically like your. You know your area of attack spell gone. I'd love a good animation throat a handful of dummies. They turned into one big gummy to attack. And the the bad guy like slice into pieces. But then they just smollet gumy's and they're still attacking. Yeah there's just something about like have brought in how colorful you could make all these spells but really gruesome stuff. That's actually i want full on loss of us style. Death feigns of people like choking on pink bright pink fairy loss like that shit opposing it cell damage roads and you just see the panicking yup kilapa and all these little things jelly babies curling up mama. Mama deco horrifying is okay. What are you want to do next three to one movie. I have a the classic. I haven't seen it. But the pay. Jackson bad taste from nineteen eighty-seven very nice. Okay i have from two thousand and four sideways. the wine. Maybe yes okay. We can make these together until like a based bad like the things that taste bad. I didn't know the story. I've bad taste sight. I have seen it pretty but From the from the synopsis it looks like aliens. Wipe out the ten in new zealand is a hero who rescues people attacks in Tonight the innovation movie essentially basically they coming to harvest humans for the intellect phospholipid franchise so. That's actually kind of a for and sideways. Two men to middle aged men in back on the spiritual journey through california in one country. One is an unpublished novelist suffering from depression and the other day the way from walking down the aisle sideways as the game. He took the kids to be church as he screws around on his wife gets kicked out of the house. Naked tyson taste bad tie. So we're doing the actual movie store like olsen off society from what we recall. Yep i'm lacking the idea of taking the basic idea of an alien invasion and as a co op shooter. Okay because one of the things that i read was full people who going up against these eilly. And so yeah. It's kind of left dead style or even a thief rock electic style ego. Basically you and this tain go into the town that has been overrun by these aliens. You try and clean up the islands as you go through you know. They're obviously trying to take you out. And you got people along the way that you can save and think it to safety and all this other stuff if barricaded themselves in different parts of the town and effectively you going in and exterminating all these aliens. Where pulse art. So how do we make this more interesting than just team based alien shooter. I think the the fact that they're coming here to eat us is an interesting narrative thing if we can find some gang play in that. Can we do something with the different people. You can be like other different classes different different classes. Not necessarily the the typical cost of. You gotta snipe you've got a you've got an inside guy. I think this is more regular people in these towns. Yeah i think you've definitely got gotta millie sort of character. You've got sort of like your typical gun sort of character. Who got all the different. Hi hi Pretty awesome weaponry and all this of stuff. But it's all military grade stuff and then you've got the scientists who's just cooking up like different grenades. I think you've got like a high school science okay yet like a teenager a and then i'd like to. I'd be interested in making this rather than left-for-dead all deeper electic which we bring up just because leaving the tunnel the shooting in that is still very much like wave shooter like he comes a ton of things. Just do your best to hold them back to find this interesting bills. A bit more tactical stuff in there in that line. You've got a bit of stealth. you've gotta maybe distract. You can distract them. Like the scientists of the science nerd. She can create a explosive is intended just to make noise right You can get their attention over there. And then you had gun can come up behind him. And like take him out the melee and again it depends on the classes. The classes you playing you can have them have skills which complement each other in different ways yet. I'm sort of also saying that kind of like degrom collected where you got the different types of missions. The the different types missions. You've got your typical one. You rescue mission that you basically into town rescuing as many people as you can and you've got a time limit and they basically well going into a town. I feel like this whole chemi- sitting like the town like they've taken over eight hundred and it can be fun just like i'd like to procedural elemental bringing in more the procedural elements but it's more you'll going into a building owner complex or a section rather than the entire town right. I think it's more i'm picturing. It'd be more slow. Piscine need an entire town for a level to move rounding. it's more but depending on the levels like you could have some of those small law more intimate sort of things way you you know. You're trying to save one. Particular person at that person dies in the missions. Either of will you copy reckless. But then there's another mission in which you've gotta make it to the ship undetected so that you can steal some of the technology and right. Yeah but i think in the town. I think that can obesity. 'cause i just moved from a narrative point of view. I like the idea of all these aliens have come to town. And where like people from this town. Who who who formed this little team of grillo warriors to fight back and so yeah. I think you can still have that. It's a section of the town or whatever can still be procedurally generated Pi like that a different types of missions. Some might literally be clearly area like just in the elimination mission. Because your you could even have it that you're taking off territory lots of the town as you play through And that gives you additional resources and the ability to stop with all weapons defend yongsan cage levels in which you go in and basically they've got all the humans in cages and you've gotta basically get a get them to start over so you know you unlock all the cages and stop. Basically that could be. Is this big. This big chaotic level of of attacking humans and he was attacking aliens around you. That'd be fun. You said cage level though and i thought all have they got you in a cage and they just sending aliens off you were at. He's more traditional wave based thing But maybe maybe it's something like that if you get captured like you could even have all filed that mission than they've captured on your next mission. Is this escape mission. Essentially some sort of survival mission essentially changes you'll have less racehorses to start with you know maybe in some cases you'll benefit going through skype mission because there's some stuff can really get those missions because you're essentially behind enemy lines or something that could picturing in the in the opening movie. Basically this new restaurants come to town sort of thing and these. These almost city slicker like aliens commented in the smooth-talking and trying to get people in he. But it's all about. They sell this this fast food to fatten people up to then had to bring the bring them to the to the actual restaurant on on the transports and cook them up for. That's cool let's go. I like that because then you can have stuff around the town. You can have like. You could even have missions where it's like. Destroy that french. That particular franchise all of the fast food joint. Yeah that's really cool. You can have some some fun motifs there around how like even as taran decorations games and stuff because it can be this real the court in fast food style friendly thing with sinister age huge colorful as you as you walking down anneli sort of thing and seeing you know graffiti written all over it and all this other stuff people warning warning of the dangers of it was two lights so little thing. That's that's cool. I liked it a lot. So i think we only came out with three characters. So we've got sort of may-like how they like a. I'm trying to picture what you what you might not like. Jok time on picturing that. She's kind of on hinged because a child his being like okay that's cool. She's just a parrot yes parent and say she's got basically like kind of the kitchen off at first and then you know. She builds into other of weapons as she goes and she is. When you bring when you level up big time then you know she's using buddy spiked batson spike bats. Qatar anything she can get a handle on like picturing but she can pretty much pick up anything in the environment that it becomes a weapon. Yeah well i think to avoid just the like oh. She's a mom like she is apparent. But i think she was already bad was like she trains. She's like fucking stunt coordinator. She's like you know there's a reason she she can handle this stuff. But yes. I like the idea that there's a bit of story line there and a raisin a reason behind it. I think everyone's got their reasons fisher. Why they why. They don yeah. We haven't had character. Yeah i think it needs to be the science that could be suppo- carter of sorts or a mix anyway but yeah. I think more support character whether they like the school news. All the local doctor or the vets like a veterinarian vet would be cool. That's like the classic having to make do with what you've got for medical staff but yeah but you can sell to say also with with wife. I want to go you know the more procedural town rather than one town then but that's the thing like i think from a narrative you'd have to explain it from their point of view. It's one town it's just it doesn't have to be a town where you can map it out. It's just you get to a level and that's different part of the town. Yeah you can be a big town. It could be a cd order. Like a a mega city could be alive. There's just something about like going through suburbia and you've got know the corner shop and then you've got just just across the road you got like the the takeaway joined of mixing in sort of a bit of battle royale stuff where you you do have a lot of scavenging. You can do with sort of the start of a level that is that period of shit. We gotta find stuff to work with. You've come in with with a level of stuff but if you want to find some better stuff you can actually look around. Yeah if you make it out of this mission that becomes part of your permanent stale basically. I think you'd have to. He might have to bounce that in some ways like stuff that you find maybe degrades like has a limit that you can pay to fix or whatever but yes you as you go you level up to a degree where it's like okay. Well now you've got to. You always come in with a fully full lou fully healthy level three weapon that's appropriate to your character or whatever there's just so many different ways that you can take this but i'm liking like the extraction missions and then you've got almost the infiltration missions in which you're you're trying to put a decoy into the plans. Yeah i'm wondering how doc you could take in the fact that you know you you've actually one person four four sacrifice but even draw them with these hormones that gonna make them explode so that could be interesting because then the people you save. Almost race's choose to wait you can you can potentially bring someone via 'cause we're to the point that yes they will take on a risky potentially suicide mission But that gives you a different mission type that you can only do if you get it up to that point something. That's crazy that's cool. I love that that's awesome. Okay do we want to do one last thing. And we'll do a second chance click pitch. I think let's do that site episode to way back when we did our very first adventure game design done quick yesterday. Haven't done many all. I quite enjoy them. I feel like it doesn't mean they can be challenging can be very challenging essentially But just to give some just to give the background. We essentially stick with one game idea for the entire hour and try to write as much of an adventure game including the full narrative in puzzles as again in that time so the very second episode we did was was that and it was a game that came from the prompt lined reflection. Yes today we're just gonna take prompt. Give it a second chance. See what we come up with From blind reflection yeah. So there's something about like being blinded and having to use reflections. I'm sort of saying this is almost like medusa sort of thing that if you if you catch gazing in the well i'm just thinking about like balancing sunlight reflected syphilis to blind or getting the angle ride that could be. That could be a fun. Vr mechanic all something to to get a beam in the right place. These a v. Re window esque game but i think maybe play like fbi agents or something way your surveilling you look like. You've got another idea that way. I keep on going through so many different ideas cows. All right well okay if you come up with anything federal Because i'm picturing for like you could use that reflection technique as thing sending messages. Someone's trying to send you messages like if your surveilling like a cult facility or something right it's like okay. We know that that these people have taken over this whole city block and they've got this huge facility and they say that they like a health wellness company but people coming to never coming out of. They seemed brainwashed. Wear so we're trying to unravel what's going on behind this cult. And so you know you're you're in bill. You're in the building across the street. And you're finding all these out through like looking through windows through binoculars. Taking you know going through yves video going all the time. You're identifying people coming in and out but at some point someone in that tries to make contact. Maybe that's way like the reflection comes in you start seeing these like regular flashes coming from one of the windows and you have to start decoding. Most cario something i can. I can see that working also in in the opposite way in the your inside the the cult leader headquarters and your having to try and find the opportune moment to signal to your team. That you've got information that you need to. You need to be out to give them. So you're you're thinking okay. I considered going both. You could combine that. What you stop. East dot just surveilling showing heavy rain which apply to characters played someone on the inside and someone on the all or you just you play one character but they start off surveilling and then once you've got enough information it's like okay. I think we've got enough like we're gonna send in undercover and sat swimming. We haven't we haven't seen that that guy for quite a while like there's no there's no segel's coming from inside you need to get in there and find out what happened to him. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah that could be good and said you've got this real creepy kinda colty thing that you're having to deal with and not give yourself away using information that you've gained through your surveillance like i like the idea that you you don't go in there until you've done quite a few missions where it's like you know who the top lieutenants i you know who the people running this place you haven't seen the laid up but because sacred but based on that you'll have to respond to things in the correct way or answer questions or nerve procedures based on what you've yet your you've studied essentially there's just something about like the higher up in in this cult the ego bike. All the people really really high. This thing actually have like blindfolds on sort of thing and they almost the being blinded by. Can they can move around school quite well. So you get that blind idea in there as well so kind of other worldly if it when you see people walking around with blindfolds in the not running into anything. Maybe this maybe this is. The name of this cult and the organization is blind reflection. Like that's actually got quite a ring to it full. I could look within yourself blah boulevard and as you go higher up you they essentially blindfold you god and then you made like the real higher ups. They don't wearing blindfolds they've just had like the is with the song and they they strap you in the chair and they bring a huge mirror and they just india is They'd be some cooler that you could that you could bring in their of reflecting sunlight and blinding and whatever. Whatever it is that this cult believes yeah essentially worship the psalm. Know something and believe that. The blinding yourself to the outside will give you a piece or whatever and and also open your offense and give you knowledge that you previously thought impossible. Yeah but of course it's all completely fucked up and like the lleida hasn't even like the leader is is just. They haven't blinded themselves like that energy. Believe any of this. They just pure manipulation. I think is kind of scary if they do believe this stuff. I think the higher ups believe it. I just don't. I think that like the liberal person who started this likely always every cold is just a fucking manipulative prick. The the one thing about this is then the character that that was doing the during the reflection and all that sort of stuff you find out that he was like the janitor sort of thing it turns out that the this character walls v of yeah of the cult so you when you finally find him and you know you saw the helping him out. And you know. He's like he was scared for his life and eliza he's actually pulling the strings behind behind the scenes yeah and no one else realizes because because the low people like no one ever looks at the genita- well not but i'm saying the lower people aren't high enough to admit like dead glorious later or whatever and all the people that a fucking blinded look like this just something about like a scary man. I will the reason i came up with that is because i was listening to a podcast about nexium which is a cult that sort of just recently being taken down the has has had its hooks in a lot of acting circles. And that's the one way. Have you heard about it. But allison mack mack from spoil yet. She's like charge with fucking sex trafficking or whatever. Yeah wild yes gary shipe. Yeah that's cool. I feel like that could be given given where we went with the original blind reflection to where this election is. This is kind of cool. Yeah has actually liking this second chance. Chance click pitch. It shows that they can just take it in a very different direction with fun. The woods coming up. I'm looking to see what we can come up with. Okay so been an decided. We are going to do one bowl because we've got a little bit of a little bit of extra time but we didn't wanna go tips three it so we're going to do is we're gonna go. We always picked up inbetween episodes one and two. We had episode one point five. So we're gonna take one of the woods from one point. Five which is click pitch classic from previous podcast yet. So this is actually the truth. Swear dad's beginning. I that stolman of quick pitch. It wasn't even cold. Click pitch at this age. It was just a random would gain generate one game that we were planning in the second episode. Ever about podcast veering away from space to be a parenthood cost immediately in the second episode yet. So yes we're gonna take. We're gonna give one of these bitches a second chance and i think we had to go. We've childhood presence. Okay this hours news in the presence of the he s nc. And just do it again. I believe the original was something around a ghost and wild who sort of had a relationship. So this is something about Having watched the haunting of hill house and spoil spoiler spoiler alert spoiler the youngest at checkout in that turns out that she was haunting herself through time so when she died she's later on and she came back through time with was haunting itself. I like that idea of taking that idea of this childhood who's been haunted throughout like willing to things and then when you light a wrong get to what you find out that it's actually okay. Things from the future my like that but instead of being another ghostly haunting horrifying on putting this assault by actual actual takeover three times. That's what i was gonna go like almost something like that time. Travel is wife. Have you gino. That's book Sewing that one it's it's essentially the there's a man who involuntarily travels through time at different points and made his wife when the child essentially like she's nine him her whole life. It's not until like she made him then later on that he made her for the first time. Because it's only after that point that he's ever trampled back there because he travels back like important people in moments and stuff. It's quite a good story. The books but yeah kind of like that idea that yes. This child has had these moments where the presence so this person who visits them at strange even helps them get through through like difficult times in childhood so the thing but actually and tell them things and stuff and then yes as on there is a bit of a twist. It's like all this is you'd literally coming back in helping young zell so maybe this is one of those stories where he started jumping in and out of this person's life yup. I like that in doing these. Sort of little little sane little vignettes. I wonder if you sort of starting very early on and you go buy ab eat Like catch you from getting from our thing. i'm thinking it's is like an old wither of be batori mentioned or something like that. Connor feels it'd be like be ghost. Goes things happening. And the prime is like at the top of the stays. The parents have just said we're gonna go off to get this and she goes back and the prime starts to move forward and to give to give the playa some some something to do you as the baby like he can grab things. This is the free things you can grab will start to wiggle or whatever but as you do that the pram likes tuzla the sheathing yes. I feel that it'd be really interesting. Apply to just realize oh shit moving. I'm fucking baby. Like i can't do anything about it. And then the sun. This strange person comes in grabs it. Well it's like a. It's like a ghost lease like hand that just grabs. it's almost like it. Jumps case of right i you thinking grabs and pulls back and then that's when the title sort of comes up so 'cause you said guiseley thinking that as they travel they're not fully camporeale will something. I'm i'm definitely locking the idea of it not being fully choral says it a bit more of like a almost like an astral projection through time doing. Is this something they have control over the unthinking that this is like early technology so they can they not at this stage. Like i haven't quite got the technology right and so it's explained throughout when you get up to that part where we sort of finishing the game with you know your your going through time. I wonder then eve sort of like the time travel is wife. Even that first seen than they artfully camporro and they do just grab it because that's actually come back from a light of time when the techies of it better than the later on you start seeing them appear in a much grossly manner but you find out in mirrors almost tell like way in the future that coming from based on how solid they are how much they're able to affect things something. That could be kinda nate. So i kind of liked the that it's actually. You'll father's pick so the basement. He is building this tech because Like hey and yom are like scientists. Try to work at this stuff. Yeah yeah what putting the trope on its head. The father tries it himself and ends up lost lost in time. Yeah well because there's nothing in hearing as well all that it's it's been your father. He's been coming back But yeah you find out that nar. That's not the case. And maybe eventually you use your power from actually like almost a paradox in motion in the fact that you stop him from from trialing it out because something happened over from or even from Creating the technology in the first place that could be a really bittersweet ending of you like maybe it's one of these things. Are your parents always tell the story of like when they first had this pithy all that this could work together and like the birth sort of came to it at the same time on the head. This amazing evening of like discussing it. And that's part of how they fell in love and it was something they saw like. I don't know if i can ghostly presence and it was you know thinking they see something in niger and you essentially go back and prevent them from seeing. It said they never created at wapping at urine exists paradox. But it could be interesting. Part of that was sort of caused by you as well. And you could guy with the the inevitable So the future time. Line thing way so you got back specifically to stop them from doing it but it turns out that it was you that they saw that even that inspired them in the first place and it was inevitable. The help yes yup. yeah i do. I do actually really like that. That fight is actually something that that we sort of came up with as human beings actually came up with. Well yeah. And i think all i love ct sorry fayed is always going to going to happen. So you'll follow those fated to disappear through time they said everything emotion by trying to stop it. Yes it's more just about that. I think they call it the bootstrap paradox. Because i've been watching a lot of doc well bit where essentially like the thing itself creates itself by going back in time and introducing itself to the person who created essentially it literally has no beginning An insight yes. You're it's just at the time line is like you kind of actually change it. And yes it's that you went back and i think e e try to get it as much as possible like describe guiseley figure that i describe like the way that something moved or like that s- the spoon that dropped like felonies. We'd y. or something and it turns out. It's because you were there. Bounced off your know like whatever he's just on saying the childhood moment that you play through and then you see it from the other point of view when you know doing their. You don't necessarily happen at the same time because you do have some free will somewhat in this in this situation but you know now. Oh if i get damaged there's actual consequences to your person. Or whatever so say your hand is about to go into into choppers overpaying and you actually lose a finger because it's okay. No i really need to be careful with this. Because i don't have you so many fingers Anita to make to make sure that every me in the past is actually safe. That's what i'm trying to keep myself safe bri. We would definitely be hard to to actually have those be the same exact experiences from different sides. So yeah i think what you're saying. Is you see different experiences. Oh different experiences that you didn't realize were part of this whole situation would be challenging but that would be a really yeah. Let's go also. I love it. I like the idea like the second chance and to think i came up with it in the last half an hour before episode two hundred last week. Good stuff so. I think we're gonna end up there this week. Thank you for joining us on bitch. Tom you want to find oliveira. Other of studies online goto Com slash bit stole making view them all day them and whatever app you like to use subscribe. Follow still the good stuff. So part of the eight collective and this is a group of podcasters mostly from here in australia. Who do stuff about pop culture and video games in a number of different things tons of good stops go to ab dot net and check those out. 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"Hello tells from israel as a ways hit the pig also installment. I chat for variety of subjects with regards to world of warcraft. This can be from classic to know retail from wild all to anything done in game sakaba bottle or pine. Sit back and enjoy today subject. We're going to be carrying on from last week. But it's going to be a couple. This is going to be the law behind both mantra. The law or the law behind the law is going to bigalow behind mount drinks and the more they aids mainly because most of these two doug started have enough little behind them as a standalone poco. Sorry i'm so from them to give them as they kind of represent the same sort of idea i mean chaplains is all about representing death and the various ways in which death can be the same but these to scream to me in a way in terms of the same aesthetics used. Moving game is a bit more doger's a bit more so of gothic so thing so robber salt with the mouse trying to sign. Because that is they sullied. The is set at lea- questing or like you quest for a in the game that amac step resign on the more so what is mount. Rexes madrid is basically the army of the chaplains. So everyone's going on me. You had the burning legion. Who had the demons as their army. Your august as the home and mountains. This is the the army and pretty much. The shove lenses that they all there to protect shorelines and these are the most so courageous the most brave the most. I will die with honor so of characters go. They are put into drags in social into five separate houses which we one get to an assault harry. Politics getting separated into houses but they have that many so of game. Where is your guide tomorrow. Trump says i now where you got which house you into. Not so a thing now. There are many different traits. That can land you in each different house but the five different houses our house of the chosen house the on somehow so the plagues house the constructs and house at the rituals. Now the house of the rituals who start with that long because that's the easiest it's basically where the net criminality stuff comes from nascar neckermann seat detriment. Commencer mark as neck romances. Get that power. I'm just trying to figure out the words in my head. -cremento is from as food when we find anything that is on dead anything to do with The sky chip on dead. Nick roman says that is where they draw their power from naturally toured from our drinks at us and they drove from the house of rituals which is quite cold now. There are many different. Let people that you'd notice. Hey there obviously not. Net comments is their lectures in the house of rituals and stuff so they are very common skeletons that we've seen fry as off we've killed a few glitches in the power step with net criminalises more than we won't count site. We're kind of familiar with these and it's nothing nothing. Easy is kinda familiar territory in this mode of new. You have the house ap- lakes now in the house of plagues all in game long wise. The house of has been destroyed in debt. I mean kind of self-destruction if you're playing around with some plague you found to some shop every now and again you're about to blow up something that is inevitably what happened. They still combusted almost so they they kind of want themselves of o'clock everything i had and that is why playful was a dungeon because we're going there to basically clean up what happened and to stop the plagues of getting out of hand and it spreading now. The house constructs is condo of again familiar. Territory it loads of abominations is what you stitch things together. It's where you take bodey pause from one like being another. I'm put them together to make another big abomination and being it's is something more saying that. Now this is where you actually have your specific covenant light sanctum 'cause the covenant sanctum from drug. Says is as you make your road. Abomination is you'll build a bear and you basically stitch on your donations together. Up hall in you make it chubby. You make it slim. And he basically school she round disco is quite one santa fe so used to house strikes. But the way you get into the house of constructs is told through the curien storyline as we find. We'll have found out this week because of the renown and being able to unlock that certain covering campaign. I'm not going to go into spoilers for that because if you want to do about yourself is your choice but we understand how we access to constructs through the cuban campaign pretty much now the other two houses on the one that is robo believe best to talk about first is the house of is now. The house is away your spies so really good spies and semi warriors so rogues of really good at this. This is the house for rogues pretty much. you don't want to let any of these guys sneak about an ac- cuts but in game. The house of is before we even get to. Drugs has been destroyed. They have been sabotaged from the other houses in game. Which is the house of rituals and the house constructs who are as we know you from lions in favor with the jailer. Who is the big body of this expansion pretty much so they have some virtues and construction taken down the house of is therefore leaving four houses left and debt with the house of is eliminated the chance of The upper house is not having a secret. Silicon is severely reduced heads one targeted vat specific house now. Another the lost house that will look at. Is the house of the chosen now house. The chargers in your big routes like these are the best of the best so warriors and basically will take on old of a houses with warriors alone. Elliott is going to be person. You're going to be outnumbered but these warriors will die taken down about fifty five hundred others. They are real big. It's like a comparison will be the mountain. From game of thrones fighting a book a teenage boy that fifteen year. Old boy or something. I don i light. It's not so thing you take so many people to swarm them and defeat them now. In game we go through question taxes says and you don what the house at the reasons you try and fight back against the house of rituals house for construction everything but you inevitably and this is going to be a little bit of a spoiler so please areas. If you want to hear it you do fail to an extent. The baron of the house of the chosen so each house has a baron to represent the house so you. The baron of the house of the charleston is killed from the inside said. There was a us spy. That was i mode in the house of the chosen and you basically of lose melodramas story on like you realize that you've lost and you have to retreat and report back as to what happened and everything. And that's something that you've already seen before while you not actually lose and have to retreat. Many times is always like yeah. We'll show it to how done at worry about it. Yeah of killed everything in the zone. Yeah so quite refreshing to lose and have to come back and not pushed them back east. So you've got these folks all the five houses to them. Evil two of them were gathered at one self-destructed and the to good our basic gone. The on now. I forgot the word dissolved this out. That's what that's what you have the people from house to the church and who trust which is the people that you will question with now In the seat at the primis pretty much and this is where the promise of mao. Dresses would reside and within each of the lands. You had a different leader sorry full bastion you had the firstborn carrion which is cool calm in madrid at the primis in autumn mood. You like the winter queen and em- Reverend ref you had sia- which is a sign athritis. Now h for of these each represent their own zone so marxists automotive etc. Now what you find out ring. The questing is the promise has been missing for a while. And this is what has caused older the fighting and the civil war happening within malpractice. And that is why you are in the see the primis to so make it. Make your home and that can reside with the people who a fighting for the shetlands at rather than against it. So you've kind of kind of making your own house in a way is the net coordinator will call the house inequity lords for now. But it's quite a good storyline in all honesty. Don't do justice hit whatsoever. It's very chaotic. Compared to coming from bastion which is nice tranquil. Nice bright colors. The first thing when you're done with the first thing that you're doing in my drugs is far into an arena. As literally the first thing you get thrown into a raina and after beat the combatant combatants in arena which is already fun now for the primis missing. He is a big part of. What's coming. Wow i would believe because the way that the shuttle lands being as it is you have the four zones and then you have the mole and the jailer is the one who resides within the mall and the people who puts in there all the four leaders of that zone said the winter queen the all cone the science and the promise. Now we've hit the is missing. That leaves three the ice three potential people to fight back against this darkness. And help you push back. So i would though the babylon plans for the promise in the future and to see what might have happened to him a will might happen. Like just to wow. In general with going forward imo drugs will have a new prime is with that beat nothing with be like account so so thing etc some dominate onto the more so jailer is the one that runs the mall. He was put that by before people in designs are just mentioned by and his name is zone vol is. I think i'm pronouncing it right zone. Vul- now he was put because he was treacherous and he betrayed they stand for now. We find out during questing old. We just know that the machine of death was broken. And what do i mean by that. Basically in legion in the expansion. Legion the machine of theft so when people guide that was a certain regime to go through. So if don's they get brought to the alcon. No not the arkansas is someone dies they brought to the alberta from a ascended which is one of kieron's and then from the head the arbiter will distribute soul to where they want to. God knows where they want to go where they should go. So would it be revenue draft. Because they don't allow misdeeds in their life would it be drugs says because they're a fighter they fight with honor. Would it be automotive. Because they were very in touch with nature wouldn't be passed in to ferry. The sows and lead leader more. Because they let him old righteous life etc. So that is the machine adeptly. Arbiter would pick way you're going and you would fulfil your duty within the zone and with this machine depth being burned cotton every single so when down into the mole. And this isn't mrs matab pretty much si- a quick. Rundown designs is pension. If you choose on mood if you very in touch with nature like a said mattresses your fighter revenue breath if you'll quite a damned soul now ref the mole Very close but there are differences so every so book. Go to reverend draft. I do not believe that every any cell will go straight to the mall so if you are. The worst person on is ross. Whatever you go to reverend dr and you would atone for your sins now off the eons and eons if you had attorney field sins that would be a judgment post on you if you were to get sent to the mole old. If you were to be let be redeemed become event there while you go back before the arbiter and be somewhere else now. This is where the mole gifts google fed. Some of it was very rare that it got fed any soza toe now with the the machine to death being broken everything is flooded into the more and given the moral more power because sows have is anima. This is the main thing that runs the shuttle lands anima now every so going into the mall is given the more more and more dot just sounds ridiculous is giving him more anima yet. Oh my god to know which more i'm saying that this point but is causing drought within the covenant and the zones and is becoming a powerful more powerful what let by the day and this is allowing the jaylo to break free and have a lot more influence on the happenings of the shuttle lands. And if he's breaking free of his chains that he was put that by both the if he's breaking free of his chains your chains of where he was put there by the four leaders of the zones dudes a bit of a bad. You know bad apple. But it's basically every so is fended into the more and it's not get that's what we want to stop. We want to reinvigorate the death but the machine of death and get everything working again and stop this uprising. Pretty much in the mole so the more is is basically the was placed for every single. So at like the unredeemable cells that con- even a term for any of that since in revenue draft pretty much And what j. dog is and what the more entail was he pretty much just torture them for eternity because they have a tight and they don't want to turn over everything mikan that is all they want to do. They want people to suffer and they don't think that they should but this is the more is. It's a machine is suffering eternal torment for this. So the get into the more and for the true lead like unredeemed bozos thing of sent to tool ghost now tool goes is the pinnacle of the mole. If you get sent there then you really have the john lewis. I because that is his place to really play with your emotions and torch you pretty much so the togo's is an endless maze of flaws. The just look to torment people. Keep them constantly fight in exhaust them drain. The men soleil is basically to just exhorts people in parade them. Break them down into pieces until there's nothing left. Think about that. You're going through the lich king spungen and you get into ice crown and what you're doing is progressing up to is crohn's digital to beat that boss right. The top line isn't that kind of thing but it's just a tunnel tool goes. There is no stopping ever. Let one sharon there. It's forever unless you are us us players you know the mall walkers is where cold because we can travel in and out of the more freely or not freely but you know what i mean is basically a prison for the jailer. The more but in return. It's a prison for every unredeemable soul. They sent down there to be with him. And that's only does he. Extracts anima he torches the for the anima just to help his guide and that is what we are trying to stop with the massive influx of all of the cells. Coming into the mall. Right now so again are probably my justice. The best thing to do is to look up but maybe some youtube videos on it to go into more detail. I just had more again and it doesn't sound right my head to be honest. These designs honestly are amazing aesthetically. The way they play out in the story the story line in mao drunks especially as a very good very very good and the more is what it is is a tool like is a torture chamber. You can't mount in there. You get hunted down when you reach a certain rank and he notices you that many different things that make them more uninhabitable fully and your players. So really do the taking everything that you do within these zones mao access because the story nine and leading up to like world which is the next one is amazing and it is a great change of pace by the way. If you don't like the slow unlike the brightness of baskin. This is the complete opposite. It's fast paced. it's does. It's like dirty and a white light. You know that his mental the best. But you wanted to find a skit for peavey payers understate state because it is just a brutal this feis everywhere you can hear finding in the background and yeah. It's just a graze on pretty much again. These two don't have enough low on that we know of anyway at the moment where they have their own sundlun. Poku mont comeback to revisit these once we know absolutely everything about them but that will probably be a while from now as we get more and more intimation. Each patch for out while like everything was out to click into place. I mean we didn't know what was happening religion until we faced august. The unmake of which the planet by the way is a tight himself by the wayside. I mean when you think about liege and you think yeah. Oh we'll kill one south garo something. You don't think we'll kill august. The home load of like veteran oil wife Is it can anyway pretty much. But i do enjoy seeing what they come out with in terms of the law. What happens with the primis. What happens with the j. lo willie break free willy. Not accent trump. Thank you very much. Listen in or ways this is going to be the this is going to be the last law one for shebeens until often christmas. I'll go something very special plan for christmas. But the on would on the reverend dr law back up after the twenty fifth which is my next poco slap bang on christmas day but until christmas that i will see you next week hopefully have a good run up to christmas day. Don't drink or eat too much food. And i was saying like.

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Garth Brooks T03 #26 El Vuelo de Yorch

Podcast RadioViajera

1:01:00 hr | 9 months ago

Garth Brooks T03 #26 El Vuelo de Yorch

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Coronavirus: Preguntas y Respuestas Para Nios

Tumble: A Science Podcast for Kids

13:41 min | 11 months ago

Coronavirus: Preguntas y Respuestas Para Nios

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Episode 118: You look a lot like that librarian

Dispatches from the Multiverse

23:30 min | 5 months ago

Episode 118: You look a lot like that librarian

"Hi. I'm Wilson probably know me I'm usually another dimension and usually if Max does interests but like two weeks ago, Max got arrested for I think like cracking his job which I mean. That's fair but the punishment are insane. He's going to be like shocked to the moon or no no, it's an asteroid. He's GonNa shot to asteroid and he's got to mind like gravel for like thirty years unless I get like these ridiculous items for this sleazy cop. So last week I went and got three printer with the help of dude to make these ears perfect copy of my ears. So I've been printing these ears for a week. Now have about six hundred sixty years so far stuck chugging along actually pretty cute years to be honest I get now why he wants copies of. It's still grow. But I get it, I mean good years and I've been trying to figure out things to do with them. I made these little like hairpieces for them. I call them ear wigs. I think. I'm going to set up an se shop. The point I need to go to the next dimension I'm trying to get this book. It's called necker nancy for dummies and it's supposed to be oh my gosh let's see here. It's supposed to be on an island that's owned by sorcerer. There's horrible creatures, traps, all sorts of ridiculous I don't want to do any of that. So I'm going to go to this other mention that Max has written here in the diary that is. It's just a library. Seems like it has everything. So if I can go there and just pick up the book so much easier. That's what I'm going to do. So I plugged the coordinates into the Beltran, two thousand right here with guy visiting. Okay that's going. Already, coding district. Yup Hornets Ran And I'm going to go mentioned and hopefully I'll get this book and I can keep going into other items right Hop on through. The right place and think desert. Single road. And why building a library? Library. Okay go to. Crap portal borough. Santos. Number. Okay come up to the door and the sign says masks no service seriously here there's like no one he why? It must be everywhere made. This dimension has the viruses well, all right, fine stupid masks put masks on. Here. I go and ask. Okay. Do Welcome. You're not Wilson Wilson? Well, no you mean the Librarian Wilson. Yeah. They're supposed to be listen here. Dude how do you even know about him? He died thirty thousand years ago what yeah, what? Yeah. But it's just like a year ago that Max was here. Do I don't know anybody named Max why are you wearing that mask? Did you say Mask Max? No. Max. Max But I'm wearing your sign on the door says no mask no service. Oh, the. Wrath. Right, yes I forget to take that down from Halloween wh. You. No you don't have to wear a mask in here. Oh, that's okay. Noble. What's is about a Max I don't. Yeah. Max was here like a year ago Meta put the Librarian Wilson and got a tour of the place now dude here. Let me see here got Wilson's diaries here on the shelf Yeah. Here they are by. Check you. Know couldn't have been a year ago. Again, he died thirty thousand years ago. Okay. Let's see this Max Max oh. Yes. I see here there was he did have a visitor named Max Yeah Yeah thirty thousand you went into the room of reflection never came out right tie out of I mean yeah Probably, still in there now so the room of reflection has been closed in fact for the last thirty, thousand and. Sixty years. Yeah. Yeah. Max Has Been in there. It seems lot of reflecting. Yeah. But what are you here for you here for the room of reflection I'm sorry it's closed right? No no no I'm not here for that. Did you WANNA, see our room of boxes we've got some really great boxes do it's popular attraction here at the Library of Buck? No, no I can't I need to look for a book a book while we do have lots of those two. Yeah. Okay. This is the library. So there's this book it's called and we have we have books right called necker Mansi for dummies supposedly owned by a sorcerer on an island. There's horrible creatures around there's traps including traps for your mind. I don't know what that means and then like it's on a pedestal dude and the book has a yellow cover. Yeah. Yeah. You blow in my mind we have not had someone request that experience in hang on let me check the logs seventy thousand years was not I. Don't experience it. It's like the book yet the book. Yes it's right where you said yes. Yeah Man. So the island let me take you to the island for sure competition to the though right hang on let me put away the diaries here. All right. So yes, it's down a hallway number seventeen over here. Could be so much easier calling me. Crap actually conveniently, Holloway Seventeen is where we have the portraits of librarians from the fifty second era, which is the same era of Wilson you are enquiring about before he's you'll see here his seventeenth portrait Oh there you. Ask where it's like looking in a mirror you look a lot like that librarian fact, right? Are you related maybe you just like probably by marriage anyway moving on down here we've got a few dozen portraits. ooh Guy. Zebra Oh? Yes. Yes. Zeke. Yeah. There's a lot of librarians. Well Yeah. You're like lifestyle really short. What now lifespan? No live as long as anybody else said librarians not a particularly dangerous occupation as far as I'm aware let a suicide though no, absolutely not okay. We find great fulfillment is such an honor to be bequeathed the job of librarian. It is a lifetime commitment. Most of the librarians in fact have lived to over ninety years old La yes, your friend Wilson I believe was a ninety six. Well, he passed on handed over the reins. Sweet. The ninety six I mean he lives ninety, six, hundred, ninety. Yes. How'd you get this job? Will you see I just? Happened to be driving by on my way to the beach as well. Yeah. Yeah. About ten more miles down the road there. Oh, some killer waves dude but I was on my way to the beach it's going to catch some waves and the smoke went up from the chimney the smoke either white smoke gets a signal that when they need a new library and whoever's the closest at that time? Is the one who's called and it was me a while destined. Yeah. Man Never did get to catch those waves must bad maybe some day but speaking of ways right here we are. So right through this door here speaking with the island what? seriously like that's an island. Yes that is exactly what you ask for is it not an island owned by sources? Will the source for is on the island? Yes. I mean everything inside the library is sort of community owned the source of occupies the island. As their traps on the island yes. Absolutely. Horrible creatures. Yes both those transfer your mind. That is what it said in the brochure I've never been through the island myself personally of course, right? Okay. So if I just thought that far. I could probably run and jump across to get the Ray I would not recommend that. No. No No. I do. If you see that dock over there. Oh, there's doc. Yeah. You Walk to the end of that. You gotTa step off right in the middle and there are stones just under the surface of the water. Okay. Let's straight off the dock they kind of blend in. So you won't be able to see them. They're not invisible. Don't be ridiculous right But the blend in. So there you really can't see the end of the DOC okay. Okay. All Right No. Close the door. Though, right you can leave that door opens. I can get back as long as there is an experience in progress yes the door stays open. Yes. That is your safety anthem mind. Okay. Right. Go to the DOC over here. Okay. So senator the DOC. Right. Right but I but I. See me. You won't be able to see them right again. They're not invisible invisible they're just. Really. Well, it's like small. Just savings. Right. care. where? Every time. It's so great. Now there's no. No that's just a story. It's a little Iberian. Funny Joke Librarian Huma. streaking yields, there were probably be on their way over here pretty soon if you don't swim to that shore rip quick. Pal. There in just a minute. A boat seriously we this is the librarians. That's nice. You see here on the plaque on the backyard says for staff use only. Okay. Whatever. So this? You see that pass right there. Right you actually see that. Half. Right. In through there and you'll have the traps, the trash, your mind and horrible creatures and all that all that stuff is right through their great. So the people that have gone through this survive, right Yes Oh. Yes. Yes. Absolute. Awe. Yes they do they have survived mostly what what is mostly mean you're here already, you can't turn back until you go all the way through I can't leave you can't be after you get to the pedestal off. Worst, okay fine. Gone. Goes. Wilson I'm the. Boss. Malfeasance, fully crap I view invaded by. I was hoping I could borrow a book I. Hope Traps, invaders, thieves like you steal it. I just want to borrow it so you'll bring it back. Yes. Absolutely. Let me check my magical lie detector. You. Intend to bring it back. They're stealing your faith. I mean I don't really want to keep it. It's just I have to get it for a friend's in trouble. You will have to get past my defenses you expect to steal reme-. Nave. A Dozen, could you just tone these drops down a little bit? Is there like an easy course there a difficulty setting which I have now turning to? Crap Hey does like the number system started eleven here it starts it's negative five like everywhere else fine. You don't look fully fleshed out you like a Hologram. Magical projection polygram's weak minded fools so I can just like throw. Through Puny tells do not harm me fun to throw a look right there had three hundred got shot. Met Malfeasance excellent is everything going okay. Here just want to check in Oh. Yeah. Peachy. What are you in? This thing yeah. Yeah. This is my librarians gyro sphere gyros fear. Gyrus. A Hamster Ball Big Glass Ball with. A hazardous big. Thank goodness. Yeah. Keeps me safe though it is made of impenetrable transparent aluminum It's very impressive. Hey, I give you this fiber. Could you let me in absolute? Not Again as you see on the Oh sorry. I was kind of its behind my sh- back here. Let me lean over as you can see right here behind me, it says four staff use only right? Yeah. Another plaque really plaque happier on your. Yes that's right. Sorry. Continue just WANNA. Make sure everything's going. Okay. All right. Fine. So I just had up to your house is that how this works you move toward how central? Like scub- dog Wa Hey, but the Burian told me that like nobody's died so. Pretty. No they wish they could die I've got. Right here on. That what you mean mostly. All right. On coming your way, right if you think you want to die be tortured I don't actually really want that it is my pleasure to those you. Next. The Piranha Rain Self Fall the what you say, the Piranha Rain for Rana Rain Rod rain. Yes. That's that'd be like Purple Rain, right? That's like a a happy thing. Right some of the products have a little bit of a purple purplish. Sheen to them. Sure. Yeah. Come. Cobra Lights. Up The Sky. Oh here they come. seriously. Why I want to be the ball. Thunder Mature Administer. I've. Still many promise. Rollover. Not Worth it not worth it should go back now that was. Music advertise. For my pleasure we haven't got the real stuff. Let's see. What should we do next? Right. Next, let's try physical animal challenge like no we prone is already good I. Think you should into this open field. Brunch you. He will find giant laser sword wielding atmospheres what That's not a think tank. Oh their normal. They're huge. Giving the ball the ball. Off and. We saw. Screw. Screw far. Hamster I see. Yes you. Could tell you that steps in the water. I see. Okay. Abby an entirely trustworthy. Yeah I think that's that's. That's That's what I'm getting out of this. Lease sort. Acute and All right got got food drops. George. They smelled bad on the outside. Giant guts. Okay. I gotTA. Go. Wait. What does that? Who What is what is big? Red Thing over here. Hamster. Tree temperatures. COMING COMING HERE I'm amazed you figure that one out. To meet your intellect right you have a good job man. Thank Nice. One foot fact. Yeah. The giro sphere is also air tight is it I cannot smell a thing. That's going on out there pretty gross. Yeah gross yeah far. As this like your ball lightsaber roof Oh. Yeah. All right. Finals I believe that he said those were laser swords. Way Different, very different things. Absolutely I'm keeping this one. Test. Your mind with the most insidious of mind invasion pro. Bring Cleveland last. Home Relive. Your cerebral. Memories. Amplified thousand fooled mixed with your favorites memories which Salvi ruined. You will be left a quivering pile of nothing. That sounds good who I think this one's new. Oh. Yeah. This should be interesting to see how this turns out. Thanks good luck. Man Banks. All right. Let's see. It looks like your worst memory is something about Ed. Or? Bulbs. Ruling. Yes and the destruction of something called Planet Hi Fi Earth Okay let's see. Thousand. and. Your best memory is something about sprinting through five for the late is a yeah. Good. But that happened to make stick A. Best Memories. Ruin. Far. And your mind laid apart Mike I tend to. Her knees. Oh Oh man everybody's dead. Oh, not everybody Charles's here. Oh Man is the worst. All alone. With people down this hall. Way Down there I can see. Ladies. Oh these really having to see me Oh. I get older fired as I don't care you go. Your. Oh. I'm coming I got I. needed. The. Charles is way down there. He's gone. He's on his own wants burning in the fire and with late Hey. You overcome combined trap I suck at. This most Dixie you are more worthy opponent tonight. There's there's the pedestals that's the Book Second Indiana Jones. Thank you have to the right. Amount of sand in a bag. I have I do the bag. Take Books Book. I can see defeat to you master Wilson. the news. Sauce. I. Depart Tinge. Yang should be ashamed but no, you can keep the end I don't want to. Ireland. What horrible hordes of deadly race with my book on. Nick Roman. You can raise the dead those that is in fact what narrow Mansi is Oh, I thought it was about like Delco or something no I'm not gonNA use it. I was just GonNa give it to this dude so I can get my friend back. To the trustworthy of people let's be abused raise the dead did conquer the world blood and It's a sliding scale, right? It's it's a kind of a Greyer doesn't matter anyways I'm taking the book. Wilson Yeah. Thanks very help. Yeah. All right. So if you'll. See over there. There's a hatch. Open. That hatch and you step down in here. He actually here let me get out of the GIRO speed. Go in the hatch with you. On down here. The back to the entrance goes through the towns Sharia brightness next where we came in. Okay. And here we are. Good job good job. Well. Come with me. I can show you any other part of the library that you may be interested to see. Except, of course. Where the reflection room right has been closed yet no, I'm good I like worn out and I've got Jiang after I do smell that now. Unpleasant. Yes. It like in my nose. Okay. Well, I'm going to have to ask you to leave the library then right. So you do not smell it up for the rest of the patrons visit not go as well as I thought I thought I was GonNa totally like override having to go to the island and the horrible creatures and source I just wanted to book. Go to libraries get the book we of course, you can. Yeah wait what I have I more copies of that book right here behind the counter what of course, that's what a libraries you come here you get the board, but you ask for the experiences ask ready experience I distinctly recall you saying you wanted the island with the sorcerer, the monsters, the traps for your mind yeah all. Definitely. Ask for that. I was I was just explaining what the law is. The worst library ever will you give us a five star rating on yelp anyway? Not wouldn't that we do not have a yelp page do not look up. I leave that air freshener. Here it is. ABC Book. Now. Open. The door lock up. Through. Okay back. Those in portal. Here's is still running. Eric book here's printing. Staff I Shower. 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VOIP phone system harbors decade-old vulnerability.  Research Saturday

The CyberWire

26:07 min | 1 year ago

VOIP phone system harbors decade-old vulnerability. Research Saturday

"Hello everyone and welcome to the cyber. Wires research saturday presented by juniper networks. I'm dave bittner and this says our weekly conversation with researchers and analysts cracking down threats and vulnerabilities and solving some of the hard problems of protecting ourselves in a rapidly evolving cyberspace cyberspace thanks for joining us and now a word about our sponsor juniper networks organizations are constantly evolving and increasingly turning to multi cloud to transform i._t. 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It's the industry's first and only scalable commercial solution enabling data to remain encrypted throughout the entire processing processing life cycle imagine being able to analyze search and perform calculations on sensitive data fall without ever decrypted anything all without the risk risk of theft or inadvertent exposure what was once only theoretical is now possible within bail learn more at n. Vail dot com kind of a fun one kind of an interesting one and specifically their their boy phone bird so popular in two widely deployed that steve pavone. He's the head of advanced threat research at mcafee. The research were discussing. Today is titled a via desk phone decade old vulnerability found in phone's firmware. We aren't interested in that specific platform one because obviously it is so ubiquitous confused so globally and to because it primarily deployed in in businesses and large enterprises <hes> as as the best phone and you <hes> you know as a research group <hes> advanced research h._r. And we we kind of approach new projects from two perspectives the first being we're trying to uncover and you know quote unquote burn as many security flaws dribble nobility 'cause we can across software and hardware hardware platforms jump so from that perspective being able to make a big impact across industry deployed device because was really interesting for us and <hes> and made for engaging research on the flip side where a small dedicated team so obviously we can't tackle everything so part of what we do with any piece of research <hes> once we i'm comparing the trail of is in addition to just getting the flawed vulnerability effect. We're actually work to build a full and and demo show at the actual bad guy could do with it and then you know really wear out there and make sure that people understand what the impact is and it's battle awareness insights into the problems based almost almost more important than just fixing individual bugs again so long story short it gets kinda got interested in it <hes> ultimately because of how white bread it was because of the the area code used primarily in in our prices yeah i can't help picturing in my mind <hes> you know someone from your research team sitting in their at their desk and glancing over the phone and their eyebrows raising and going <hes> what could you do with this network connected device that is <hes> recording call then listening to call right. Hey hey exactly exactly well. I mean let's let's dig in here and for folks who might not be familiar with <hes> how these phones work and sort of what's going on with them. Can you give us a little overview yeah so these are of course networking devices which is why they're called voip phones or voiceover i._t. Is is that all of the <hes> all the data that is transmitted for your calls going across the networks <hes> similar to many phones by <hes> across the night debates network care and and ultimately you know what that means is. If if someone is able to get onto the same network where these phones deployed which is typically an internal business network or sometimes given a guest network <hes> i if they are connected to it and is able to compromise something in the phones you know they might be able to actually a ah until their demise on the network control all at one or ultimately what we did with the scenario is <hes> lugging nelson the vulnerability that was found and then she basically using it happen record network traffic including cau- we thought those probably the most interesting scenario from the threat akers perspective in terms of or being able to not just you know surreptitiously deal call eight hour record called data but also potentially to deploy something like malware to all to buy as a ransomware and you know in a large organization that heavily relies on their enterprise phones and there's there's a fairly good chance at that ransom could be effective ah wha while they keep you locked out of their phones so kind of approach it from that perspective a both delivering a payload of ransomware as well as actual training call data data over the internet yeah it strikes me to the this is a device like we said it's sorta sits on someone's desk and in a way it's kind of invisible. It's sort sort of out of sight outta mind as long as it's working. It's not something you really think about very much. It people forget that these are just computers right and if elite <hes> <hes> laureate who is the primary research on this one you know looked at the thing that is being a phone that make a call the computer sitting on it plugged into the network at work and so this is similar to any other type of iot device now that had become network bay and of course phones have been have been connected than networks for very long time. I'm now but you're you're absolutely right. This is typically an oversight up from a security perspective as well as from just a monitoring perspective. It doesn't make enticing target for cybercriminals looking to find a way into the network make for a really ideal type of target well. Let's walk look through together. <hes> what your team did here. There's <hes> there's some interesting aspects to it both hardware and software <hes>. Where do you wanna to begin so first and foremost we you know we take the lazy approach whenever possible or the low hanging fruit if you wanna be politically correct and we're trying to look at a network interfaces interfaces we're trying to see the software firmware can be just freely downloaded over the internet <hes> in this case we could actually act. That's the firmware on just just by downloading it on the internet with many cases in many of our <hes> of our research project. You have to be a customer or you have to use them social engineering to get access the firmware or maybe it's only delivered you know <hes> sometimes even in physical medium so in this case we were able to get a firmer easily but the the researchers wanted to be able to essentially access the underlying operating system and and be able to do some interactive testing with it so instead of just having asking the firmware for vulnerabilities are flaws <hes> similar to a normal falker project he actually opened up the phone physically open it up and started working with <hes> the actual hardware and the boards inside the phone to see what he could learn and ultimately had he not taken approach we would not have come across the vulnerability that in the phone for over ten years so the process here was open up the phone and do what it's called connecting to <hes> <hes> debugged ports and often. There's there's hardware interfaces on the inside of a of the computer like this that they developers either leaving their intentionally so that they can do bug issues shoes in the field or sometimes <hes> you know they're doing q._a. Or debugging in the manufacturing process and they forget to close them down and they can be accessed later long story short if this means is you know a researcher whether you know the the white hat researcher blackout researcher can ultimately act the interfaith faith to the phone and back in system on the phone that they probably shouldn't be able to access in this case felipe was able to directly connect to the phones hardware air and use it to load a route or kind of a system admin that'll show on the box jumped by offering some wires on there and we spent a lot of time in the blog when we released its research talking out and educating people who are interested in that type of research on just how you do that how how you go about connecting those hybrid bugging interfaces <hes> what's interesting. What are you trying to retrieve from them and ultimately lead to the packer you can start to poke around now now on the operating system in the file system of the computer in baker phone and what belief was able to do then by having a root show was do some basic nick roman ability scanning and some <hes> some privileged poking around i guess for lack of a better term to see what he can find <hes> ultimately what he he found was a piece of code that had not been updated in in over ten years you could tell that from the copyright on the on the banner of the code and that led him him to start to search for you know more of an existing vulnerability versus trying to find camping new since this was <hes> such old code and such unabated code and then finally come full circle you know and we're getting it fairly high little for now but to come full circle you know he was able to find vulnerability that had been publicly reported boarded in some open source code about ten and eleven years ago <hes> which is the d._h._c._p. Client responsible for providing an i._p. Address the phone and i and i had actually taken that public open source code four version of it and put it in their product and unfortunately the version of the code that they implement their product was the one that did not have the patch in it so there was some older spike in the vendor here in terms of baking in the existing security patches that were available and that that went unnoticed for a period of ten years until police stumbled across bug so this wasn't a matter of me having a ten year old phone. I'm sitting on my desk. This was <hes> an old version of some open source software that was just still being reused to in modern code absolutely yeah these phones are still <hes> fold and widely distributed. I wanna say there is an end of life plan for them coming up here but they're still one of the most popular popular <hes> duck phones used across major enterprises civic version and as you said this is not <hes> not an old phone it they knew we're phone with an older code based on it and had a via properly for to the patched version of the dc big client into their phone. <hes> <hes> this phone ability would not have been there and we would have been looking for you know a new vulnerability or or what's called a zero day vulnerability <hes> something that hadn't been reported to the industry before four so this is kind of a unique scenario where actually you know an vulnerability that quite well known from an insect perspective was completely unknown from a product perspective perspective and because of that you know there's actually a good thing exploit code out there already written advantage of this fact on ability so for you're the researcher was quite easy to you know once he found that <hes> build a context and and take that to the extent of of fully compromising the phone and i'm sure sure we'll talk a little bit about what the impact of boy is yeah absolutely before we get to that i i think it's worth pointing out that from a hardware side of things thanks <hes> this was not a matter of needing <hes> significant investment is spending a lot of money on the the gadgets that you needed to sort of hose yourself herself up to this phone. It was not expense. I know the expensive part is the time to take to learn the skills right the the overhead. It takes to become good. <hes> <hes> <hes> you know if you look at some of the <hes> the the blog content and how debris search actually connected to the phone. You'll see there's some very very very little soldering wires involved there. You have to be able to analyze the internal components of the hardware and no which is what which is what and how to connect different ten canal but from an investment perspective <hes> i think our net net investment was you know probably in the range of five or ten dollars. There's <hes> i one copper wire and <hes> you know we did have some additional hardware that kind of facilitated made the process a lot easier but not overall <hes> necessary to being able to connect the internals of of a computer and pull useful information then just like you know any anything the more you spend the easier debt <hes> generally speaking by <hes> but you're absolutely right. This is something that most people can do pretty low cost now. The phone system itself was running a lennox system mm-hmm <hes> which is interesting <hes> certainly not uncommon but but opens up all sorts of avenues for exploration there as well absolutely and this is pretty pretty common for <hes> you know embedded devices than not in general <hes> especially phone systems all wrong linac or some kind of a a version of a lennox colonel here and you know once once believed had access to the colonel and had elevated privileges on the operating a some <hes> you know there's true approach potato one to look for dipping vulnerabilities. Which again is that low hanging fruit. If you find something that's already out there that has having been patched or fix in a way that just as good as finding bureau navalny ability <hes> you know that nobody knows about because in in practice it <hes> exploited on the exact same way and a patch still needs to be developed so that's one approach to take and something we typically do when we drop into <hes> unisom elevated privileges like <hes> on a lennox colonel here on the flip side you know he had that not been successful. There are a number of tools that allow you to test and the penetration test and look for vulnerabilities and exploit them on windows and blaming and and other operating systems ah level we're talking about here. What is the range of <hes> possible exploits that you all explored here what sort of things were able to do when you had that root level a one. We had the rachelle <hes> on on what's called the e prom <hes> which is one of those hardware interfaces chewed the operating system. <hes> vulnerability was pretty quickly found so again felipe just after looking around a little bit and seeing copyright of two thousand four two thousand seven and it got wind of the fact that we were running from some or that the devices wanting running pretty old code here and the vulnerability <hes> the research isn't it in the in the industry probably already familiar with it. I know fleet <hes> remember it it just kind of triggered his memory based on <hes> having seen it the a number of years ago but either way <hes> you know at this point you could run a full and end vulnerability and <hes> you know looking for all <hes> thinks things t._v.'s that have been published he would comes up. We really kind of stop once. We found this vulnerability and you know the researcher decided. Did you know why go any further. We have a root shell on the device. We've got him vulnerability that unpacked and we've got a target that employed you know very widely and i think biron and we decided to kind of start using that. They'll demo ultimately as i mentioned earlier. We thought that was to really impactful. Scenarios oriole's here and we can go into detail on both of them. The first one was of course we build a proof of concept <hes> just demonstrate the vulnerability and and <hes> the the truly the key is my faith alone on the startup screen or the flat screen of the phone just to show that yet <hes> you know remote code execution could replace images on the phone. I don't think any realistic attacker is gonna be so kind as the off that way but it was a great proof of concept from realistic perspective. You know we decided title. There's two really tangible scenarios that someone would you that they found this home. Ability unpacked the i mentioned would be deploying now. Where ransomware fire and tennessee is the limit in terms of what you could do to hear you could use it just simply chew again back or <hes> on a number of internal system if you use it as a device to pivot to more critical systems on the internal network especially if the phone system is on <hes> protected kind of a non open non breath network <hes> where there's other devices if becomes a really interesting kind of permanent or semi permanent or if your network that's one way that you know we see a a lot of <hes> vulnerabilities and exploits being used is just as as backdoors and the network and and kind of meaning maintaining persistence there <hes> to attack aca their targets from the actual phone perspective we thought well wouldn't it be cool if you could actually able the internal microphone <hes> through the use of savoy and either call or record or spooked calls outbound and that's the demo we built kind of run in our lab here is we exploit the vulnerability vulnerability to turn on the internal microphone and essentially it will not only capture of course called data when a call is being made but it can just capture and the end room noise or background noise so if this thing is employed on the table of your boardroom <hes> for a critical boardroom meeting and the vulnerabilities exploited we can be lifting thing and even according all of that data all bad audio data <hes> out into network back to a thurber figure that we control and we thought that was a really interesting interesting pen targeted scenario for surveillance and spying activities <hes> slowly gaining kind of privileged information <hes> to a which should be really an obey they <hes> a highly confidential conversation <hes> and those in the demo that we built so so really we kind of have a simple demo where fleet just to speak some talk to own and and about a second or two later you kinda see the call reporting happening in real time and the data being exfiltrated out over the internet in order to <hes> exploit this phone phone to get the access that you got. Was it necessary for you to have access to the hardware itself it. Could this have been done remotely. That's a great question. May we decided i did too. The the answer is no we did not actually have to have access to the hardware and that's really important here because <hes> obviously would mitigate the finding being significantly if if you need to sneak into a building open up the phone and you might as well do install a cap rate so there's a network they attack. You don't have to have any physical acts of phone. You need to be on the same network. The reason we spent so much time on the hardware side of things there's more from an educational perspective folks we wanna be able to teach researchers who are interested in helping secure faith and interested in finding additional vulnerabilities the -bility responsibly disclosing them to be able to build the bill fat and understand the approach that goes into hacking into the kind of devices and with pat often is the hardware approach so had we not been able to download the firmware freely over the internet and you know via decides to lockdown knows firmer download in the future this would be the tactic or the technique that the bad guys would actually use to figure out whether there are vulnerabilities on the system and ultimately ultimately how to exploit them so so really gaining access to the hardware interface is just the mean for the end <hes> understanding what the attack surfaces and how to pull it off yeah it makes it easier to get the firmware the file system the memory contents do that kind of research analysis but ultimately as far as exploitation it completely unnecessary need have access to the network that these devices are deployed on now you all did reach out to via and they were responsive and they've since is published a patch. Yes it'd been a great partner to work with and we think that one of the things that's part of a research organization is that could be h._r. Research always always works with the vendor to do what's called responsible disclosure so when we find a vulnerability the and sometimes we've been working with vendors well before we find a bone ability to partnerships in this case we reached out joe by just as soon as we found the vulnerable code and we had a number of ongoing discussions with them over the next few months while they worked on getting a patch ready and updated and <hes> we have to really commend them for the you know. The either worked at the way they embraced the research. <hes> you know kind of be collaboration throughout the whole profit really demonstrated what we always hope to achieve which is bad strengthening that researcher and manufacturer vendor relationship and to me. That's really ultimately one of the most important things that we have the opportunity the change in the industry instead of just throwing the vendor under the bus and reporting bugs and you know and making making vendor look bad what we're actually trying to do it is it's changed the paradigm so that we're now working at the team as a single unit and that the white hat research community comes together with the manufacturers on your factors developers and vendors and ultimately were doing the research that lead to the development and production of better and paper products and this was a great example sample of that and i'll just add that <hes> you know the patch was released in late june twenty nineteen we'd do both authentic and i can dynamic testing of it <hes> confirmed that the patch was effective and that the mitigation but we kind of recommended to were properly implemented and and <hes> you know happy to say that that patch effective we think it's really important especially large enterprise the <hes> prioritize the roll out of its patch <hes> sometimes times devices like this can be an oversight and a large corporate environment and we talked about earlier phones not be the primary type of computer system. I'm nat your i._t. Orthodox is actually patching but you kind of the from the impact statement from the demo and from the conversation we've had that they should be treated as chested sensitive and any other critical server in your environment <hes> whether those that are used as an actress pointer pivot point or whether they're directly attacked the again are a computer system that allow you to gain privileged access into a <hes> privileged network and ultimately to achieve some pretty various purposes and so <hes> we're strongly advising that anyone who used to be sown those batches updated <hes> quickly after after getting the patch and i suppose there's there's a bigger lesson here as well that <hes> you know even if you have your devices patched up to date that there could be things <hes> still lurking in there that have yet to be discovered covered absolutely o._b. Would be remiss if they extended one 'vulnerability would <hes> overall makeup product secure <hes> and again. This comes for for what we started to call here. Which is you know the reason. The nature of why we do on ability research at mcafee is to push the industry industry for the whole to encourage researchers to work at benders into analysis type of product to overall the attack surface because we can guarantee there are others out there whether individuals whether their nation paid <hes> whether there are groups of individuals working together that are well-funded had significant significant resources and time they're attacking and looking for the exact types of flaws those kind of a rate see not only who can find them first but but overall all battle securing before found ultimately it hard bologna's brought our thanks to steve pavone from mcafee's advanced threat research team. The research is titled a via desk phone decade. Old vulnerability found the phone's firmware. We'll have a link in the show notes. 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Mary Kay Place steps into the spotlight

The Frame

25:44 min | 1 year ago

Mary Kay Place steps into the spotlight

"From the Mon broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas filling in for John horn on today's show movie theater owners and film studios are in Las Vegas for the annual industry pep rally known as cinema Khan, and then Mary Kay place. Arrived in L A in the nineteen seventies to act, but she also wrote for classic TV shows like mash and the Mary Tyler Moore show, and it all began with a job as an assistant. I typed about nine hundred forty thousand versions of various scripts, and I thought wait a minute. I've got some ideas for shows like that, then the singer for LA noise. Pop trio cherry Glazer once the smash gender bias with REM use it all that coming up on the frame. Welcome to the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas sitting in today for John horn, who's in Las Vegas for a few days, attending cinema Khan and here. He is John so John year at this thing called cinema con, I tend to think of it as kind of a pep rally for movie theaters and Hollywood studios. How would you characterize it? I think it's a good choice of words. I mean, it is the annual gathering of everybody who owns a movie theater a lot of those people are chains. But there are also eighty countries from around the world that are represented here and basically the movie studios in some independent companies come out, and they do a little song and dance where they show clips from upcoming movies. There's a couple of screenings have completed films. They bring up some actors, maybe some directors that try to get the theater owners excited about the films that are coming out. Not only later this summer, but all the way through the fall and to the end of the year and the theater owners are having their own kind of meetings about where their businesses going. So it is a theater owners convention. But it's really about the movie business in about what's going to get people excited and come into the multiplex in the months ahead. Well, you only arrived in Las Vegas just this morning who have you seen speak so far, and what's been the sort of vibe on the convention floor while there are two speakers who kind of kick things off and one person is John Fithian. He's the head of the national association of theatre owners and the other one is Charles Rifkind who represents the Motion Picture Association of America, and that's all the movie studios. So they're slightly different messages. Charles Rifkin is basically saying to the theater owners, and I'm quoting him now audiences are evolving. So you must adapt quickly to deliver. What consumers want and you can interpret that Henry wanna to interpret that Fithian speaking on behalf of the theater owners is basically saying to the movie studios, don't send your films to streaming services. Like Netflix show 'em in theaters. I because that's how movies get. Noticed. And if you wanna stand out when you get to net flex or get to Amazon or Hulu, you better plan theaters because there's so many movies out there. Nobody's going to hear of your film, unless you show it in theaters. I is an interesting argument. I think he can look at a film like bird box on net. Netflix that was a huge hit and never got within a mile of theater as proof that that theory doesn't always work. Well, what's the incentive for a streaming service? Like Netflix to acquiesce to the studios, and let them have a big film like Martin Scorsese's the Irishman, you know, ninety days in advance of streaming. The Irishman is a great example because I think that's going to be a real referendum on where theater owners and not flexes going. So it's a Martin Scorsese gangster movie. It's got Alpa chino. Jimmy, Hoffa Robert deniro Zenit Joe Pepsi's in it. I mean, it's a classic kind of Scorsese gang drama now. This is a movie that Netflix has spent a lot of money on. I think the reported budget. I've seen as one hundred. And seventy five million dollars. So the question is will theater owners say we really want the Irishman will play it for a month. And then it can appear on Netflix. Or are they going to blacklist it and not take it at all? That's coming out later this year, it'll be a fascinating referendum on the future of exhibition and really the future of net flicks as a theatrical distributor. Well, John this is a decades long marriage between movie theater chains and the movie studios. Give me an idea of what you know, the state of this relationship is I think the next year or two is going to be really important. And I think when you start looking more closely it's not just about what's happening with streaming services. Like, Netflix, you have to remember that there's been a huge merger. Disney has bought FOX. So there's now one fewer studio producing content Disney and FOX now control about forty percent of the market in terms of films released make sense that they might release fewer films might make. Sense that they're going to dictate tougher terms and terms of how much it caused theaters to get their movies because they have so much clout. And also there are a lot of companies. Universal Warner Brothers Disney. Their parent companies are starting streaming services. And the theater owners are really going to be asking the question now and over the next couple of years, if you're making some new content are we going to get it first. Or is it going to go to your streaming service? John last week variety published this story into how cleaning crews and major movie theater chains get paid and how they're treated on the job, and it really exposed as kind of dark side to the movie theater business. I know you had a chance to to look at this piece. How do you think theater chains will address this at cinema Kahn or or will they at all? I think they kind of have to because I think the story that they have put forward so far is it was the third party vendor? We weren't really in charge of the people who are cleaning our theaters, we didn't really know about the working conditions and wage. Theft and other labor violations. But to me that's a little bit like going to a restaurant and the chef saying he doesn't know how badly the staff is being taken care of. I think when you go to a movie theater, you wanna know that the experience is going to be good. And that people aren't being taken advantage of to have a clean theater, and if you walk into a movie theater, and you're worried about whether or not the theater is exploiting labor. I think inevitably is going to take away from the enjoyment of the experience. So they haven't said anything yet cinema. Con is just now going, but I certainly suspect they'll be addressing it either behind closed doors or in some meetings coming up well cinema. Con is not particularly for us to get a little preview of what's coming up for the year. What are some of the most anticipated films? Well, I think you start looking at what the big studios are bringing to cinema con-, you're going to recognize a lot of familiar titles because it's almost all sequels and spinoffs Disney is gonna probably show some footage from vendors. Endgame, the next vendors movie, they've probably gonna present something from Toy Story four the live action version of Lion King and that trend kind of continues with other studios, Warner Brothers has a new Godzilla remake. They've got up date on shaft. There's another sequel of Annabel universal has got a sequel to secret life of pets some sort of fast and furious spin off when you start looking at the slates, there's not a lot of original material that is going to be highlighted paramount, though has a movie called rocket man, which is an Elton John musical from director, Dexter Fletcher. You probably have never heard of him. But he's the guy who replaced Ryan singer when he was fired on Baheen rhapsody. So that might be an interesting movie to look for in the next couple of days, John, thanks so much. My pleasure. Thanks, steve. Coming up on the frame. Mary Kay place is starting dozens of films and TV shows now at the age of seventy one she's landed her first lead role. Welcome back to the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas in for John horn. Thanks for joining us. Mary Kay place is one of those actors who's been in so many movies and TV shows if you saw her on the street, you might think do I know her place got her start with roles in classic TV shows like mash and all in the family. She also wrote for mash and the Mary Tyler Moore show. But her breakout performance was playing the aspiring country singer, Loretta Haggar on the oddball, satirical, soap opera, Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman, she earned an EMMY for that role at a Grammy nomination for album, she recorded as the hagerty's character place also starred in dozens of films, including the big chill and being John Malkovich. For her latest film, Diane she landed the lead role Kent Jones wrote and directed Diane specifically with Mary Kay place in mind, and she told the frame host John horn. How Jones I approached her? He came up to me and said that he had seen the Francis Ford Coppola. Film of the John Grisham novel, the rainmaker and the dot black character that I played in that reminded him of his mother and her side of the family the matriarchal family that she came from dear MRs black on seven prior occasions. This company has denied your claim and Rutten we now did not for the eighth and final time. You must be stupid stupid stupid. Sincerely, effort left kin fast. President climbs department. And he said, I knew right then and there you could play my mother, and he said, I I want to write a film with you. Starring in it based on stories that I've wanted to tell and I said, you'll never get a dime to make this movie. I said I would love to do it. I'm so excited that you would ever think of me for anything like this. But. You won't be able to raise any money for my name. So I just need to tell you that right now he said, oh, I'm not worried about that. At all. We'll get it done somehow. So the fact that it has is a down and out miracle a gift from God for sure so much of this story is about loss about when people reach a certain age. It's inevitable that people start dying or getting sick or struggling with illness. I want a place where your character is at the salon getting your nails done before a friend's funeral family. Well, my aunt I know is the last of the aunts and uncles, and she's got into Seema and smokes like a chimney. But she's hanging in there. I just can't believe they all went so fast unless my favorite aunt last year. I'm sorry. I loved her the best. Yeah. I loved all my aunts to tell me a little bit about what you and can't talk about about. What's happening Diane's live and how she's processing it through. The course of the story. My. My parents had both died by the time. I shot this film. I have a very close family, but a small family, my aunt and uncle died. Both my sets of grandparents at died. I have one one hundred year old cousin second cousin who had her birthday January fourth. She reached one hundred she's the last living elder. So I had experienced it in my own life and kens mother had passed away a couple of years earlier and all the rest of his aunts and cousins were gone a few cousins, I think he's still has. But we talked about our families like that. And and how it just felt so strange to not have these cousins and aunts that had occupied and been a huge part of our whole lives. We're talking with Mary Kay place about her film. Diane, Diane is a person whose life is defined by kindness. She is often taking food to people helping up soup kitchens. She is somebody who feels. A calling a need to look after others when you're thinking about what is motivating Diane? How did you come to an understanding for where charity and kindness and generosity became so important to her? I think she's a part of the tradition of women in communities like that who are servers they serve the community. They take care of other people. And I think they've been raised that way. I think that's a default position for them. She's also a toning in a certain way for some guilt and shame that she feels. And I think she also keeps herself very busy doing doing doing. And is the movie develops. We see her begin to develop an inner life and reflect an journal and contemplate perhaps what do I want? What do I need? Now that my world is shrinking and she's been biz. Doing and not being and she learns how to be to us. What is almost a cliche now? But it's true. We were talking with Glenn Close about her movie, the wife, and we're talking about a column that was written in the LA times by culture critic Mary McNamara who said that finally it was about time that women who were not thirty or forty but we're older we're getting great shots at great parts. And I wanna play you what Glenn Close had to say about this. I think it's spectacular that women of my age are still having viable exciting careers because the the irony is we only get better. I mean, which I think is true. I mean, Glenn Close has never acted better. But I'm curious if you share that feeling I totally agree with, Glenn it's because of all the different venues Netflix Hulu cable, although in films a lot of these movies don't get made anymore because there's no slot. So to speak. For them. But it's great that they then show later on net or some other cable station. So that a wide variety of people are able to see them. But there there is a lot more for women older women available for us for work at this point in time. Now, not all of it is deep like the wife or Diane? And that sort of is a would say uncommercial area that is much more rare. But at the same time, there's a lot of opportunities for older women to be seen. And I think, you know, we need to be diversified in that way, as we need to be diversified in all ways, I want to ask you another question about that. Because you started your work in the movie business and TV as a writer, and you were writing on shows when women were not writing on shows there, maybe making material in roads today but couple of decades ago women didn't get those kind. Of jobs. What was it like back then? And how important was it that you were in there working alongside so many men? It was very helpful to be from Oklahoma. Because of the men that wrote those shows where from New York City, and we were just Linda blood worth and I were exotic creatures, and I started out I was certainly had been an actor all along and was taking class. But rather than be a waitress I was in production jobs because I was also interested in writing and directing and production. And so I worked for the Tim Conway comedy hour. I met all these comedy writers. And and then I worked for Norman Lear's company. And so I typed about nine hundred forty thousand versions of various scripts, and I thought wait a minute. The Mary Tyler Moore show was popular. And we were all big fans. And I thought I've got some ideas for shows like that. And by this time, I'd been in enough note sessions and director sessions where I knew what the structure was I knew I just learned so much it was like graduate school. So that's when I began writing but act. It was the perfect time to be there. Because there weren't any women and we had the Mary Tyler Moore show. And all these other shows that were about women and these men from New York City in their forties and fifties really didn't know anything about what it was like to be a thirty. Something woman starting out in a career and a television station. Mary you're not what I would call an experienced the woman. No idea how experienced or inexperienced. I am. I mean, sure true. I'm not what you'd call a wild woman. But I'm hardly innocent. In round. Not have been around. The nearby. They were extremely open and welcoming. So for my point of view. It was the perfect time to be there because we had an invitation. I mean, I had to write a spec script, and they had to read it and say, yes, we like this. But I think it's much harder to break in now than it was then and having written and having to rected to that change you as an actor. What does it do in terms of how you perform well acted in a mash scrip that I wrote and I thought wait a minute. I did not connect the dots. Well at all in this crypt. So I knew I learned something about riding. I'm not that great of a rider. I really admire and respect real that the one percent club because it is so difficult to be good writer. But I learned what a good script looks like and feels like and directing I had great respect for the. I imagine. And the crew and the cast is a big circle putting all their energy into the center to create the show. And I realized how each piece of the puzzle is crucial, and we can't do it without the other one. So I I had total respect for being in the set on time. You know, doing your homework because it's so hard to do this in the first place in everybody's important Mary Kay place. Thanks so much for coming in. Thank you. Diane is in theaters and on demand now, and here's Mary Kay place. Singing baby boy from her nineteen seventy six album tonight at the Capri lounge Loretta hackers. Azmat happy that make me happy. I mean up on the frame, how clementine Creevy of the band, Sherry Glaser bites gender bias one song at a time. How? Welcome back to the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas sitting in for John horn coming up later this week and interview with the producer who's finally getting legendary concert film with a wreath Franklin into theaters, and we'll have a report from the set of fresh off the boats as the TV series airs. It's one hundred episode and now clementine Creevy is a twenty two year old Los Angeles musician who wants to level the playing field in alternative music. She sings and plays guitar in the indie rock group cherry Glazer. The band is named with a slight spelling alteration after a radio news anchor here in L A Creevy and bandmates taper Allen and Livy Bennett just released the album, stuffed and ready frame contributor. Allison Wolfe was a natural to profile Creevy wolf is co-founder of the riot girl band brat mobile and she recently met up with Creevy at the musicians LA home. Being seen as less capable has always been a major issue for me. It's this internalized thing that we all feel now we all see Ramin in this way. It's forced me to want to be really really good at my instrument. I'm clementine Creevy Clem from cherry Glazer. I'm an only child. My mom raised me as a single mom. We moved around a lot. I was born in New York, and then I went to Chicago. And then I went to LA, and then I lived in Mississippi for few years, Chicago again, and then finally LA. My mom. She would bring me everywhere and was a creative person. Then she got married to my stepdad who's might now adopted father when I was twelve years old and settled here, so. Growing up with a single mom. It made me be very independent. And it's shaken me up a few times because I've been like, why am I so weird? I wanna go around and do things by myself all the time. But at the end of the day, I'm really grateful that she gave me those tools. I got started playing music when I was like five I was always singing around the house. I remember writing a song when I was eleven it was like winter here and the snow is here. Then I got to Qatar for the first time when I was ten certain really playing when I was like eleven twelve. I had so much courage from my mom, she forced me to take lessons. She was relentless about it. Because she knew I was good. That's cocky, but I thought I was good. I know my music there's been this through line of me growing up, and I even feel like my voice has changed from album to album, literally because I don't think I was done with puberty when I was fifteen doing the first album, my voice, very different now. So I was just really into shredding, and I would go into my garage every day after school and played guitar for hours, and hours and hours, and my friend Hannah, she was drummer. So we started jamming together and it formed really naturally. We got our other friend involved. And then my other friend involved. I had created this band. My first album technically as Papa cramp and the second one axle Princess, and then apocalypse took in now, stuffed and ready. I put so much pressure on myself to not be vulnerable. I wanted people to see me the way they see men. The songs that I was writing for stuffed and ready. We're kind of working through that pain of having my guard up all the time. I wanted to sort of feel with my music and talk more about those things that I kept off limits before. I can get confused about reality and social media, sometimes I can feel the weight of these people looking at me. But then I'm just like sitting alone in my room. How could I feel anxiety of people looking at me when I'm sitting alone in my room? That's how my real life. It's sort of this song about feeling like an object within my internet presence me as a brand as a commodity. Well, if you want me to be an object, you're going to strip me bare of everything that I really am. This is what it's going to look like just a tree with just branches. And no leaves. I tend to write a lot about power dynamics. And that includes confidence because I think about my place in the world, a lot men have gotten places places that I want to be and I want that same respect I want people to see me as capable. That was clementine Creevy of the band, Sherry Glaser think all star band. 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The Voynich Manuscript Pt. 2

Unexplained Mysteries

39:50 min | 1 year ago

The Voynich Manuscript Pt. 2

"Yale University's Binoche. A Rare Book and Manuscript Library holds over one hundred thousand priceless books and historical documents commits the six story. Structure is according to the library's website home to one of the largest and most dynamic collections of rare books books and manuscripts in the world. You would think that the collections prized item would be the Gutenberg Bible from around fourteen fifty four. The Bible all is famously. One of the West's I printed works but a different tags in the stacks has proven to be one of the collections. Biggest draws item M. S.. Four eight the Voinovich manuscript over two hundred eleven pages contain contain scrawling draconic writing and color illustrations. It is called Vinik a library. It's home for over fifty years and in that that time. No one has managed to decode the manuscript. They don't even know who wrote it. Is the Voinovich manuscript a catalogue of Long Forgotten Scientific Knowledge do the encrypted pages contain secrets to understanding our world or even our universe universe or is it possible that the voyage manuscript is a five hundred year old hoax specifically designed Tabatha linguists and codebreakers alike is the secret of the voyage manuscript. Simply that there is no secret. Welcome to unexplained mysteries apar- cast original. I'm your host Molly and I'm your host Richard. In life there is so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history. Strean life on earth you can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream unexplained mysteries for free on spotify just open the APP and type unexplained mysteries in the search each bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do it we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram Graham at podcast and twitter at our casts network. And if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review. Wherever you're you're listening? It really does help. This is our second episode on the Voinovich Manuscript. This centuries old thome was discovered in nineteen twelve by antique book. Dealer Wilfrid Voinovich. The manuscript became famous for its bizarre indecipherable writing system and last week we discussed the modern history of the voyage manuscript from its discovery in one thousand nine hundred twelve to its donation to the by neca Library of rare air books and manuscripts in nineteen sixty nine this week. We're going to unpack the most popular theory regarding the manuscripts authorship it was written by Thirteenth Century Philosopher and Friar Roger Bacon. Then we'll look at the timeline of the manuscript suspected ownership during the Middle Ages. We'll consider how and why it disappeared prior to its rediscovery in nineteen twelve will also try to determine whether or or not the voyage manuscript is one big hoax in our last episode. We introduced introduced the confounding Boy Niche manuscript. The document is comprised of over two hundred and forty Allam pages of bazaar riding in end strange illustrations of plants trees star charts. People in more the writing is aligned to the left margin which traditionally really implies a European influence on the language however the usage patterns in voyage manuscript defied the traditional code breaking techniques applied to Western languages. There are no words fewer than two characters nor any longer than ten there's also no discernible punctuation marking where sentences begin and end the illustrations are their own mystery. The plants depicted in the voyage. Manuscript don't resemble will any known botanical specimens on planet Earth from start to finish. The book is confounding and despite multiple attempts by different teams of codebreakers and scholars. No one has been able to provide any definitive answers about the Voinovich manuscript. The first I widely publicized study was conducted in the Mid Nineteen Twenties by William Romaine Newbold. His findings were published posthumously in nineteen twenty eight under the title. The cipher of Roger Bacon while newbold is often credited with connecting Roger Bacon Lake into the manuscript. It is likely that he was fed. Bacon 's name by someone else Wilfred Voyage when the voyage manuscript was first I exhibited to the public in Nineteen fifteen it was presented as an unsolved Cipher Manuscript by Roger Bacon Thirteenth Century three so it seems likely that newbold subsequent research was influenced by what he already suspected that it was written by Roger Bacon Newbold also claimed he cracked the code of the voyage manuscript but his decoding method was incredibly dense and long winded looking at his writing. Reading today is theory. Seems like a series of reckless leaps. In logic made so that he could back up his predetermined conclusion new builds work work was discredited in nineteen thirty one by philology John Matthews manly ever since then the connection between the Voinovich Manuscript and Roger Bacon has been accepted by historians with a hefty grain of salt. New Gold's finding on the voyage manuscript. Were discredited discredited largely because of the leaps in logic in his attempted decoding but what if he was right about the connection to Roger Bacon and it was just his methodology. Dodge was off Roger. Bacon lived from roughly twelve twenty to twelve ninety to see over the course of his life. He made extensive contributions to the fields of mathematics. Astronomy linguistics and alchemy among his many accolades. Accolades are the recipe for gunpowder. The substance had previously only existed in China and beacons research helped introduce it to Europe in his work opus. Maya's Bacon described a device that used reflective lenses to enhance eyesight. This is among the first known written references to eyeglasses as a linguist bacon employed a practical education whereas his contemporaries studied the cultural importance safar in languages. Bacon believed in a more hands on application. He could read write and speak in many languages. He published rushed out chemicals studies about medals their origins and their qualities. He also wrote hypotheses. About the potential existence of a philosopher's stone alchemy was highly controversial at the time as many officials in the church. Viewed it as tantamount to sorcery or black magic nick. Bacon made it one of his life's missions to showcase how alchemy worked as a purely scientific endeavor with no occult connotations. Sion's later in life. Bacon joined the Catholic Church as a friar even then he continued his scientific pursuits. They I can believe that. Academic understanding of geology. Biology and destroy helped us better understand ourselves and the natural world therefore for this study brought us closer to God. Beacons resumes vital a win regarding his possible. Connection to the voyage. Manuscript one bacon was well versed in a number of subjects he could have written at length about any of them. This is important to note because the voyage manuscript has has long been suspected as being some kind of instructional texts to Bacon was a linguist. He spoke numerous languages including including Greek and Hebrew and likely had the mental capacity to translate and transcribe at a fast pace bacon have knowledge of astronomy and Alchemy alchemy. Both of which would seem to be relevant to the voyage. Manuscript based on the illustrations that are included within it and as a linguist. It's not a stretch to assume that Roger Bacon could have devised a bizarre code or even his own language in which to write out his manuscript. Only he or those he trusted would have been able to translate it but just because Roger Bacon could have written the voyage. Manuscript upped doesn't mean that he did ability does not equal intent in this case knowing what we do about Roger Bacon we are still left with a question. Why would bacon what to write a manuscript like this? During his lifetime and centuries after his death Roger Bacon was associated with secret or forbidden knowledge alchemy in particular was a field of much suspicion and doubt among the more religious minded did Europeans of the thirteenth century. Many alchemists were compared to wizards adding literal flame to the fire was beacons disassociation with a device known as a brazen head a brazen head or a nick. Romantic head was an automated mechanical sculpture made of brass or bronze. According to some accounts it was something akin to a manmade genie which when built correctly could correctly answer yes or no questions in some interpretations. The head is possessed by an Evil Spirit brazen heads kids are associated with dark forbidden or twisted magic now as a side note. It's not at all confirmed whether Roger Bacon. Actually you built such a device. Rather the Sixteenth Century Play Friar Bacon and Friar bungay featured a fictionalized Roger Bacon weaken who built a magical brazen head. But it still assumed that. Roger Bacon experimented with Nick Roman city and other forms of unexplainable magic therefore he may have had some kind of secret or arcane knowledge that he wanted to hide behind a cipher perhaps he chronicled live in the document that we know today as the voyage manuscript. This seems like a lot of conjecture. And we haven't even mentioned the real nail in the coffin of the Roger Bacon authorship theory into thousand nine forty years after after it was I donated to Yale University. The Voyage manuscript underwent carbon dating. Dr Gregory Hudgens oversaw a team at the University of Arizona to determine suspected age of the mysterious document radiocarbon. Dating is a process by which matter that contains organic material is dated with a carbon isotope recalled that the voyage manuscript is written envelope a form of medieval paper are made from calf skin or membrane. When all was said and done the team had a ninety five percents certainty that the pages were between I five hundred seventy one and six hundred and five years old that means it was likely written between fourteen o four and fourteen thirty eight eight CE? That's over one hundred years after Roger Bacon died in twelve ninety two now. This is a relatively new who development in the Saga of the voyage manuscript given the lack of this kind of technology in the nineteen twenties. It does make sense why people people like Newbold would connect the bizarre manuscript to someone like Roger Bacon. It seems likely. That Wilfred Voyage somehow got fixated on on the idea of Roger Bacon being connected to his manuscript and just couldn't get the thought out of his head. Then he passed that notion onto newbold who cemented the idea with his publication the cipher of Roger Bacon but this begs a new question entirely. If Roger Bacon in didn't write the Voinovich manuscript. Who did next will consider the historical clues and try to track the manuscript script history from the fourteen hundreds to the early twentieth century? Hi It's molly and it's no mystery than I'm an animal lover. That's why I'm so thrilled to tell you about podcasts. Latest Series Don Tales. Dog Tales tells the true stories of her ROIC canines signs who have gone above and beyond their best friend duties. The dog and my life is named Corona. He's a rust. Colored terrier mix and sweetest can can be that. His cuteness doesn't compare to the acts of bravery explored in this show every Monday dog tales embarks on a new journey of courage courage service and unwavering sacrifice by our most loyal companions. You'll hear tales of inspiration from all breeds of life like like buddy. 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Since it was unveiled in the Nineteen Ten's the Voinovich manuscript was associated with philosopher and linguist Roger Bacon however carbon dating performed reformed in two thousand nine proved that the six hundred year old thome was likely written over a century after Bacon's death however even even if Bacon wasn't involved there is still much we can surmise of the manuscript suspected history with the information and technology he had during in his lifetime wilfred voyage would have had no way to determine the exact date of the manuscripts creation. But one still wonders where he got the idea Vacant authorship in the first place well now we have an answer. When Wilfred I purchased the manuscript he found a letter are written in Latin tucked away between the pages? It read Reverend and Distinguished Sir Father in Christ this. This book bequeathed to me by an intimate friend. I destined for you. My very dear at the as soon as it came into my possession for I was is convinced it could be read by no one except yourself. The former owner of this book once asked your opinion by letter except now this token Dr Rafael Tutor in the Bohemian language. To Fernand the third. Then King of Bohemia told me the said book had belonged to the Emperor Rudolph Rudolph and that he presented the bear who brought him the book six hundred Ducats he believed the author was Roger Bacon the Englishman. On this point. I hi suspend judgment at the command of irreverence Yohannes Marcus. Marcy prog nineteenth of August sixteen. Sixty five This letter implies that at some point in the late sixteenth or early seventeenth century. The Voyage Manuscript was owned by Emperor. Rudolph it off the second Rudolph the second born in fifteen fifty two served. As King of Bohemia King of Hungary archduke of Austria and and the Holy Roman emperor over the course of his life. He's now regarded with some level of controversy. Some blame his poor rule for the thirty years war right Europe during the early seventeenth century others credit him with supporting scientific advancement and learning that eventually gave way to the scientific revolution. It's the latter association that makes Rudolph a viable candidate for ownership of the voyage manuscript. It's likely that during the Middle Ages the document was seen as some kind of encrypted scientific treatise this letter also seems to be the Genesis of Roger Bacon authorship theory and so we can assume that Wilfred Voinovich read this letter. Assumed that Rudolph the second knew what he was talking about. And thus spent the rest of his life trying to prove that the old emperor's assumption was correct the message if legitimate makes Rudolph the second second the first confirmed historical owner of the Boy Niche manuscript. And more it establishes a paper trail that we can try to unravel to learn more about the documents history. If this letter speaks the truth then Rudolph the second had to have purchased the voyage manuscript from somebody somebody and he also clearly had to have bequeathed it to someone after his death so first. Let's try to determine where Rudolph the second got the manuscript from the message. That voyage found indicated that Rudolf purchase the book for six hundred ducats. which would amount to a little less? Ask Than One hundred thousand dollars today. Wilfrid coinage proposed in nineteen. Twenty one that alchemist. John Dee sold the manuscript script to Rudolph the Second D. was a Welsh philosopher and mathematician. Who lived at the same time as Rudolph he was known to collect? Works extent were written by or associated with Roger. Bacon given that Voinovich was Convinced Bacon had written the manuscript it tracks that he would assume John On d. had the document at some point before selling it to Rudolph the next question is who received the manuscript after Rudolph passed is to weigh in sixteen twelve. Let's consider the author of this letter. Yohannes Marcus Marcy. Marcy was a doctor from Bohemia or modern pattern day Czech Republic served as the royal physician to the Holy Roman emperors in the early to mid seventeenth century. Marcy was only seventeen. MM In sixteen twelve win route off the second died so it's unlikely he ever worked directly for the man but he came into possession of the Voinovich manuscript at some point in the decades after Rudolph the seconds death Yohannes Marcus. Marcy was a renowned doctrine. Scientists during his lifetime like Roger Bacon. He devoted a good amount of effort to the study of optics and even predated sir. Isaac Newton in proposing the theory. The color was a result of modified light. All this is to say that Marcy was an incredibly intelligent and famed scientist He. He studied the fields of science. That many suspect the voyage manuscript addresses and yet. There's no record of marcy so you ever trying to decipher the text himself. It is possible that he simply didn't log his attempts so as not to immortalize his failures all we know about Marc's relationship to the manuscript is that in sixteen sixty five. He passed it off to his friend and colleague at the ACS this cursor Kirscher was a renowned Jesuit scholar who like Roger Bacon and Marcy was a polymath and expert in a number of Scientific Ryan typic- historical and literary fields. Among those specialties. Was Linguistics Kirscher was the ideal choice for marcy to send the. Oh Boy Niche. Manuscript to his extensive knowledge of current and old languages made him one of the most skilled translators and code crackers of his time. If anyone in the seventeenth century could figure out what the voyage manuscript actually said it was Kirscher but when he died in sixteen in Eighty the manuscript remained unsolved it then presumably remained among Kirsch irs other writings and text at the Colegio. Hi Joe Romano and stayed there after he died after that we lose the thread of where the voyage manuscript went until it reappeared in nineteen twelve at Villa Moindre Goni. There are some holes in the time line that linked the manuscript through the people we you just listed. According to voyage when he first recovered the voyage manuscript from Italy he discovered a faint signature that seemed to be in a different kind kind of ink from the rest of the writing. This was assumed to be the signature of your Covas synopsis. A check doctor who served as Rudolph the seconds botanist during the early seventeenth century. You Cobras close. Proximity to Rudolph. At the time of the emperor's death does seem to track with his potential ownership of the manuscript. It's possible that Rudolf bequeathed the thome to your cobras. Who then signed his name on the first page while the historical context indicates that this theory is certainly possible? There's a problem. Voyage accidentally erased the signature when he first conducted chemical tests on the manuscript in the mid. Nineteen Ten's while there are rough photocopies that show the name there. There's no weather proof that you cobras. Had it still in the absence of any real facts about the voyage manuscript from the fourteen hundreds until until the nineteen hundreds. These sorts of scraps are all we have to go off. Love considered the rough time line. We have thus far. It's claimed that Rudolph the second purchase the manuscript at some point in his life. Boy Niche proposed that he purchased the book from John. D Rudolph the the second then bequeathed the manuscript to his botanist. Your Cobras and you. Kobe's presumably keeps the manuscript until his death in in sixteen twenty two meaning. Someone else likely had it before it came into Marci's possession in sixteen sixties and the most likely candidate for that. Missing time is check alchemist Georg Barasch. He likely came into possession of the voyage manuscript script in the mid or late sixteen thirty S. We know that Barash had it because of letters written on his behalf to none other than athanase IUS Kirscher. These letters indicate that Barasch first proposed the idea of sending the Boy Niche Manuscript Kirscher for him to try and translate. What we don't know is why this process took so long? Barish died before sixteen sixty two likely leaving the manuscript gift to Marcy. Then Marcy acting on Borussia's original idea sent the document to Kirscher after cruisers death in sixteen eighty eighty. The manuscript was likely lost and forgotten among many of the volumes. He left behind in the Roman College. It's it's all plausible but again. Plausibility is not the same thing as confirmation. Well this time line seems to make sense given who these men were and how they related to one another. There's really nothing else. In primary historical sources to confirm any of it. The Letter Voinovich discovered in the manuscript is the genesis and the proof of this whole theory. There is no record of John. D Ever Selling telling the manuscript to Rudolph the second nor is there a financial notice of the six hundred ducats payment Rudolph supposedly shelled out the correspondence Indi- between Georg Barash and Kirscher is the only firsthand proof. We have of the manuscripts existence prior to nineteen twelve beyond that all we really have to go off of his mercies letter which isn't even proven to be in his handwriting. Voyage never seemed to consider a likely possibility that MARCI's letter wasn't referencing the manuscript in which it was found when when you consider it the only thing linking the letter to the voyage manuscript was proximity. It's possible that the message referred to some other home. This is of course. Impossible to confirm but the fact that it is possible demands consideration and it was Voinovich's own errors in judgment that led to the erasure of Cova signature which made the verification of the manuscript history even more difficult to surmise Voinovich's. Sin In this case seems to be one of fervor and making leaps in logic about his main script in order to accept believes that were. We're not fully verified much like the connection to Roger Bacon all these threads and theories end up as little more than speculation on our art and on the part of the scholastic and there's a bigger question here. Let's say this timeline is correct. Let's say all of these men owned wound or at least came into contact with the voyage manuscript. Not One of these scholars. All of whom were among the brightest minds of their generation could decoded. How could that be possible? Perhaps there's nothing to decode next. We will consider consider the possibility that the voyage manuscript is baffling by design. Because it's a hoax now back to the story there are currently two histories of the Voinovich manuscript. This I is the known history. The tracks through the twentieth century from from Wilfrid discovery of the thome in nineteen twelve through nineteen sixty-nine when it was donated to Yale Library the second is the hypothesized hypothesized history. The one we can only guess at that links the manuscript to historical figures from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries for all of the attention. The Boy Niche Manuscript has garnered since it was first unveiled to the world over one hundred years ago. It is never been deciphered. It has never been determined whether the manuscript is written in a kind of code or if it's a language that was lost to history we don't know what it says we don't know why it's encrypted. We don't know who wrote it or why what we do know. Is that at some point point some person or group of people and to sit down and write out the entire manuscript the sheer length of the taxed as well now is the density of the language would imply that whoever authored the manuscript had a very serious message that they wanted to encode and perhaps its that perception of real effort that leads scholars and historians to keep going back to the manuscript descript in the hopes of finding meaning but what if there is nothing to decode. What if the reason? No one has cracked. The code is because there there is literally nothing to crack from around the time he first started showing the manuscript to his peers in the rare book dealer community there they were skeptics of the impossible to read manuscript some suspected that Voinovich himself had drafted the thing in the hopes of selling it at a high price consider consider. The fags voyage was very successful and learned bibliophile. Who Likely Knew How much an encoded medieval manuscript written written by Roger Bacon would be worth on the other hand voyage was already very wealthy at the time of the manuscripts discovery at the Nineteen fifteen exhibition? It was estimated that Voinovich's collection alone was worth eight million dollars. So it's not likely that he was strapped for cash Asia and invented the voyage manuscript as part of a scheme to get rich and given that the manuscript is confirmed to be over five hundred years old it seems unlikely that he had a hand in its creation. It's of course possible. That boy niche managed to find enough sheets of five hundred year old bellum upon which he very carefully wrote out the manuscript but that seems highly. Unlikely it's hard to find a real motive for voyage to have written the manuscript unless of course what he really wanted was to create a mystery that we would all be talking about over for one hundred years later. But just because Roy Niche Likely didn't fabricate the manuscript doesn't necessarily mean. It's not a hoax hoax. The evidence for this theory was summarized rather nicely as many ancient. Mysteries are in a history channel documentary series on the program Weird or what hosted by William Shatner. The Voinovich manuscript was examined by a number of modern scientists scientists and scholars among them. Was Gordon. Rugg a British professor known for his publications on the Voyage Manuscript. Rug Draws this attention to a key detail that Voinovich and the other codebreakers over the years may have missed. Ask yourself this question. When was the last this time you wrote out a full page in ink and didn't make a single mistake? What about two hundred pages? Rug pointed pointed out that across the history of medieval tax. There is always evidence of errors. There are spots. The trained is can detect areas areas. where the writer made an error and dabbed out the ink or wrote over with a new letter but there is not a single spot in the entire voyage manuscript? descript that feature signs of mistakes rugs surmised conclusion is that whoever wrote the voyage manuscript didn't correct their errors. I because it didn't matter the writer knew they were writing gibberish so there was no reason to stop and check their work again again. We're met with the question of why someone would do this. What could possibly possess someone to scrawl out over two hundred pages in a made up language? The answer is of course money. The European Renaissance was a cultural boom as the nations of Europe rediscovered. An advanced the fields of history literature art and science one key aspect of this culturally rich period was an interest in pre Christian tomes artifacts specifically anything relating to Greek and Roman society many a wealthy European during this time period showed off their knowledge by acting as patrons to artists. In addition they paid extravagant sums to own ancient historical artifacts or writings Additionally there was a niche market for encoded or encrypted texts people like the idea of possessing forbidden knowledge. All of this is to say that there was demand for an item like the Boy Niche manuscript during the European Renaissance enough demand that emperor. Rudolf could have shelled out six hundred ducats for the thing but is it truly feasible. That one person could sit down and write out a manuscript so dense that even the most advanced computers couldn't decipher it. Five hundred years later again. Gordon Rugg has thoughts. It's it's surprisingly difficult to intentionally right. GIBBERISH for a prolonged period of time in an extended burst of writing. Your brain eventually hits a point where you're on autopilot and you will naturally start repeating letters words or phrases but recall that no. Such repetition exists this manuscript. One of the biggest challenges that codebreakers have faced is finding recognizable patterns upon which to begin ascribing known letters offers. That would mean that if the voyage manuscript was an intentionally unreadable hoax. The writer was immensely deliberate in crafting. The order of his letters words and sentences given the length of the manuscript it would have taken the scribe a brutally really long time to craft it but rugby has an answer to that mystery. As well he oversaw an experiment to try and prove that an automated system could produce pure une pattern gibberish at a fast pace. His method employed encryption tool tool known as a carden grill. A carden grill is made with a square grid and a small metal plate with holes in it. You write Out every letter or character in its own cell on the grid. Then you place the metal plate on top of the grid. Only a few letters are visible through the holes as you move the plate across the grid or rotated changing which cells are exposed. It produces a random order of letters letters. Rugs researchers transcribed the characters from the Boyne each manuscript onto a grid and then used a metal plate to write out sentences and paragraphs in the voyage script under rugs method. It's conceivable that the two hundred plus page voyage manuscript could be written in a matter of weeks now. Rug Study has come under scrutiny. Mainly his devised method of transcribing. The manuscript seems like a very conventional way of going about things. It's almost certainly not how the Medieval Scribe comprised the manuscript once again. This proposal is certainly possible but there is next to nothing to prove that it actually happened this way. So is the voyage manuscript really really a hoax with every passing year. That doesn't yield a definitive answer. It seems less and less likely that will ever get a satisfying outcome. It come to this mystery in the conclusion that the voyage manuscript is a hoax lacking entirely in meaning isn't satisfactory too many if it was then it's unlikely we'd still be talking about it. One sad prevailing likelihood is that the Voinovich manuscript is is really written in an ancient language but that language is so old so lost time that there is no chance anyone will ever be able able to recover it thus the manuscript will likely never be translated but the mystery of the voyage manuscript will continue so long as at least one person thinks they can unlock it. Maybe someday in the future new technology or understanding about the past will provide that ever elusive clue to decode the manuscript secrets. Thanks again for tuning into unexplained. Mysteries will be back Thursday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not Not only does spotify all ready. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you. Enjoy all of your favorite podcast. 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Rough Translation

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"Hey you're listening to rough translation from NPR. I'm Gregory Warner. I'm jumping back into your feet today to bring an episode of through line. NPR's history podcast introduced right down the hall here and this is actually the third episode about Iran. This one looks at the life of customer money. The Iranian military leader who was assassinated fascinated last month and a drone strike in Baghdad and whose death continues to reshape the Middle East. We wanted to air this episode. I because it's full of voices isn't perspectives that we rarely hear on Iran but also because it made me think about an experience. I had visiting journalist years ago. This was before I was on staff at. NPR was freelancing in Afghanistan. So I flew from Kabul not to the capital Tehran but to a smaller city in the east and then I travelled by land the capital. And because of this uncommon route or maybe because of some oversight by running bureaucrats. I never found out for the two days. It took me to get the capital. I ended up being being in the country without a government minder and this experience of being an American in Iran apparently unmonitored was to discover how willing people were were to show me a side of themselves that they might have had to hide from a neighbor. Like I remember this. One time a shopkeeper I guess he heard my exit he went into the back room and returned very happily with two teacups of Moonshine. The punishment for alcohol consumption in Iran. I looked at later. It is technically eighty lashes for or really really hefty bribe. But there was this guy and you know cheers another night. I remember. It was Friday evening. I I found myself in an underground synagogue. Attending Chabad services there were about five people. Roomful of carpets single tattered Torah. It seemed like people were almost going out of their way to show me that. Despite the strict religious rules of the country they were finding ways to live their lives but the other experience. I remember from that trip was visiting the city of Sh- arise on the day that happened to be the birthday of the thirteenth century. Persian poet. Saadi if you don't know Saudi. You've probably seen his poetry on motivational posters. He is the guy who wrote have patients. All things are difficult before they are easy. Easy but in Iran side is also the poet who lived at a time when Persia was under attack. It had lost a lot of territory and in his verses he he longed for the glory days of the Persian Empire and so now here was seven hundred plus years after his death at his gravesite. which was thronged with with young Iranians men women standing together quoting the poems looking at this crowd in their bomber jackets? uncolorful uncolorful headscarves. It didn't feel like a stretch to say these were the same Iran's who bristled against clerical control over their lives but in this moment we're bound together by Persian culture by Persian nationalism. Even and that gets us to the subject of today's Profile Qasim Sulejmani. If you've read anything about Adam you know. He was a terrorist but to understand his influence. You have to know that he was also this really soft spoken guy who could quote medieval poetry and who is able in his speeches and his words to appeal to these two sides of Iranian identity that resentment of the clerical class and this is uniting sense of Persian nationalism and what makes this profile particularly relevant. Is that there. Was this brief period of time when Sumani this powerful Iranian leader and the US government actually shared a common enemy and almost worked together that is where runned and routine of through line begin the story the maximum possible Jack McConnell Lewis Number one staff ah five on an airplane hijacked by sixty five we have A believe a Boeing seven fifty Kevin. Can you see him. You can in here you hear you it. Ah The tragedy of that moment for those of us who paid attention to Iran. There was this glimmer of hope that both the United States and Iran or adversaries of the Taliban in Afghanistan which was hosting al-Qaeda so it seemed like there was this natural convergence of interest interest and by all accounts he ran played quite constructive role and cooperating with the US and campaign to get rid of the Taliban Afghanistan. This Kareem such at poor a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment and Adjunct Professor at Georgetown until two thousand and one Iran was boxed in it was isolated and surrounded by enemies and e side the enemy the Taliban machine on the Western aside in other Baghdad and Saddam Hussein's regime the Atai terraced attacks of September eleventh of two thousand and one change that situation completely because the US would soon go. After both of Iran's enemies Arusha that God welcomed the development the the Revolutionary Guard is a military arm of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's also called the IRDC and pursued meetings in Geneva the intelligence officers handed over maps and exact locations of Taliban strongholds in Afghanistan to American representatives for Shimmer the presidency is very very thankful because American intelligence presence at a time in in Afghanistan very limited. This is Allie Albany. He's a senior fellow at the Arab Gulf States Institute. He's been researching the Revolutionary Guard for years and he wrote the book on the topic called. Do you believe it or not I I. I don't remember it right now. I don't know Iran and build. Yes yes Iran on via the I never liked title of the book. You know. That's why I don't there. Was this hope in the air that maybe there's finally an opportunity for us. Huron Reproche Mon.. You know many Iranians were Hopeful about that but the good vibes between the two changed completely when prison push delivered his so called Axis of evil speech in which put the wrong. North Korea and Iraq lump them as part of one axis of evil states like these and their terrorist allies allies constitute an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world. That only confirmed the already very very cynical world. View of Iran's hard liners that cooperation with the United States as futile the the rain inside and Bush God they felt betrayed. They felt they had played a constructive role in helping to get rid of the Taliban in their own opinion had helped United States when there were rewarded by being placed in the axis of evil data time the Revolutionary Guard and the political leadership in Indus Lama public decided that President Bush could not be trusted and the United State was a very very serious threat. They also believe that it was about time to impose some losses on the United States. That's became reality after two thousand three where the United States also invaded Iraq. Let me say this to all Iraqis who are listening. The regime is not telling the truth. There are no negotiations taking place with anyone. In the Saddam Hussein's regime. There will be no outcome to this war for that leaves Saddam Hussein and his regime in power. Let there be no doubt the greatest advocates of the Iraq war. I believe that this would be a project to democratize the entire Middle East. And that's going to immediately de-legitimize. The Iranian regime is going to de-legitimize sized theocracy in Iran. And so if you're bustling money and I told harmony you think to yourself we will do everything in our power to make sure that the US war in Iraq is a colossal failure S.. Strike has killed. Iran's most important military commander but targeted killing of Major General Kacem Sulejmani. I think Americans you have to understand how significant figure Sola money was in Iran. This is the night Iran struck back for the death of Sulejmani last night's missile launch Iran targeted to faces that are key to US operations in the region. Ukrainian passenger jet plane has crashed on now. Admitting its shot down a Ukrainian passer plane by mistake. You're listening to through line from NPR. We go back in time to understand the present by now. You've probably heard the name costume solely solely money. Many times in the news when he was assassinated he suddenly became a household name in America for people in Iran his name is not new solely money was arguably the most important member of the Revolutionary Guard which has been fighting direct and proxy wars in the Middle East for forty years it was designated a terrorist organization by the State Department in two thousand nineteen. But that label doesn't capture its complexity or it's a men's power. The Revolutionary Guard and costumes manny embody both sides of the Islamic Republic of Iran's identity on the one hand they position themselves as the only power in the Muslim world resisting American imperialism and on the other they behave cynically and try to dominate the affairs of the Middle East at any human cost in this episode we're going to explore the origins of the IRS. And the story awesome solely money to understand exactly their impact has been on the Iran. US relationship Hi this is from Iran. 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Zad Bake Nick Roman rule in love alone. Now Oh this moment perfectly illustrates the impact of Soleil. Money's death here you have the most powerful person in the country the Middle East longest running autocrat. We being openly openly because one of his soldiers has died but he wasn't just any soldier he was the head of Iran's goods force which is the intelligence arm of the revolutionary. Mary Guard established after the Islamic Revolution. In nineteen seventy nine when Iran's king the Shah was dramatically overthrown by a mass movement. Supporting the cleric. Think I ed Tola Khomeini I do. You know yourself whether whether you're from Augustan came on your machine Manhattan is yours. Even though they have told me that they are aren't getting prepared. I have given the permission to prepare themselves. Which means getting arms? The Revolutionary Guards Arts were essentially set up in the immediate aftermath of the revolution because the Shaw's military which Ayatollah Khomeini inherited with the revolution. He was inherently mistrustful of them. Because he said these are not my men were men who are trained by the Shah's government and so like most I authority baring regimes in the Middle East were extremely paranoid about the prospect of a coup and for that reason they set up this initially rag tag group of men. They called the Guardians of the revolution. citoyen pasta on an alum To be the protectors of the revolution. And even if you look look at the name of the institution the exact and what by what translation is the army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution in other words. The name Iran is not even mentioned in the name of the organization and in the local organization. Is You know a picture of the globe not not a map Tehran so clearly. This group of Iranian revolutionaries perceived their own organizations as the vanguard of an internationalist Revolution Pollution Dad that owned Mander Buddhist. Chevette job you that this is awesome. Some sort of money speaking of that Pedo. Mona also amber have the highest. Brad Bishop Mohamed Fayed the whole dishman. When he died he was one of the most powerful well known people in the Middle East but his story starts? It's the exact opposite way. It ended in complete obscurity. He was born the son of landless peasants who left school after only five years of schooling left in village mountain of Robert goes to to come on and begins working construction worker. There is no record of Mr Lee. Money Being Revolutionary Eddie activists prior to of of seventy-nine after the revolution of seventy-nine he accused have joined the local branch of the Revolutionary Guard Corps for in Carmen. At that time we are not aware of his ideological beliefs but there is one thing that we know in the immediate aftermath aftermath of the revolution and it is many of them more or less lost their belief in the clerical class they believe in Khomeini yes as a spiritual leader and as leader of the revolution but most of the other members of the cleric class they completely distrust and the reason for that is that Revolutionary Guard officers the were taken taking out and recruited to serve as personal bodyguards to the clerics as personal bodyguards. They had to live physically under the same roof as members of the clergy clerk. And when you live with people you find out that not everyone wearing a cloak and tour. Saint you find out that someone on who from the pulpit of the mosque is preaching against drinking alcohol. Perhaps enjoys a drink at home. Somebody who is rating homosexuality may aby interested in handsome young man at home so the sanctity of the clerical class completely came down crashing so instead of being overtly anticlerical the IRDC court including Mr Salim money. They developed an ideology which mixed she. I slam and Persian nationalist Iranian nationalist. So in that sense they managed to combined combined. The two and this combination was so unbelievably potent that it managed to mobilize millions of Iranians when Goss Him Sumani joined the Revolutionary Guards. He was very young only in his early twenties but he still managed to impress his commanders enough to get an important task. One that probably had an impact on him for the rest of his life. One of his earliest assignments was to go quell Kurdish rebellion northwest Iran. Because at the time there was an anti government uprising in Kurdistan. And if you see the photographs of that rebellion They are incredibly violent. Approximately ten thousand Kurds died during that period. I think that that was his baptism into into that kind of career. He saw terrible things with his own eyes and perhaps also engaged in in acts which are Difficult to to to defend morally but at the time it was perceived as necessity in order to preserve the territorial integrity of Iran immediately after that came the heroic phase of the Revolutionary Guards history in Iran. And that that is the war with Iraq in nineteen eighty Saddam Hussein invaded south western Iran and the Revolutionary Guard forces were the first to respond in the frontline. Sit Is Iranian Indian troops herod to engage the invaders local resistance was led by Iran's Revolutionary Guards who officially loyal to I- Atallah remaining. What was initially this small rag tag group of men mushroomed into thousands of miles on and they rely heavily on rifles and rocket propelled grenades and in sporadic engagements exacted the heavy toll of the invading forces from their example stem the Iranian mood of self sacrifice in a holy war? We'll Iraq you know in. The beginning of the war was occupying some of Iran's most important oil-producing if Iran lost land to Iraq the entire Ktar country would collapse even though the Iranian side was outgunned. They were able to push Iraq's military back to its borders orders in two years don and now a new tag on on data Mugabe Lefkoniko be ease taught Gondar Mobile dishman on Modesto's Shimoda Move Awesome Chavez Festival W. Two though God standing up against the enemies of God. I will kiss your hands and shoulders. Because the hands of God or above you caused them solely money became a revolutionary guard commander and began to build his reputation as a brave warrior. This is the commander who would be talking personally to all men under his command before each attack and we are talking about the war which most of our resembles were. It was trench warfare affair. You had at least two hundred fifty thousand Iranians being killed in that war. He wasn't this commander who would sit in a bunker and Tehran and order people around you know he he likes to go out there in war zones and appear to be a man of the people and here. You have one commander. A young man from chairman doing reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines to minimize the risk for men under his command and I'm really emphasizing like this because most of the people from chairman David in the same division and many of them are actually personal friends and sometimes family members of Mr. It's only money on one occasion radio Baghdad. which was transmitting programs in Persian language? Made Mr Salim Money in minor celebrity liberty of the war because one particular occasion when Mr Sulejmani was doing reconnaissance mission this young peasant sees a goat and he steals the goats brings the ghost back and prepares Kebab for food for his men and radio DOT apparently heard of this story and began propagating. Thank you named Sulejmani. The goat teeth of his law van but Tama. Woo Them Miniature Janjic. Mom Louw. ooh As your niche Mushtaq donation genuine. With all my soul and believing Levi War those blessed me the heavens were ecstatic to meet up you got his solely money. The goat the went on to to fight for the entirety of the Iran Iraq war with almost no leave repeatedly committing acts of bravery by nineteen eighty-eight when the war ended. He was widely considered to be a war hero. The had this charisma which really engendered enormous loyalty and Dan Defection. And even after the war ended he didn't like many revolutionary guardsmen than just enter the private sector and try to go go off and get rich like his entire life was the revolution and projecting uranium power at the end of if the war so they money with some factors home province Gehrmann where he became the chief of the local Revolutionary Guard. Force came on province is close to the Afghan and Pakistani border and at the time of the nineteen ninety s many Afghan Iranian drug cartels are operating in those areas. Chasse portes change particularly opium from Afghanistan to Iran and from Iran to the International. Mr Money became heavily involved in the fight against the drug cartels later when Iran and Afghanistan the Taliban regime in Afghanistan almost on the brink of a war. The what's force was looking for a new face for India command and because Afganistan was the primary threat to Iran's national security. The regime needed needed Afghanistan expert. Mr Solely money was one of those people that was the reason. Why he he became the chief? Commander of the force awesome solely money in the course of two decades had gone from a completely unknown construction. Construction worker to the head of Iran's most important intelligence military organization but this was only the first half of his rise because just three years into his tenure as the head of Al Guts Force. Nine eleven happened found himself right right in the middle of the action helping shape. Iran's response to an incredibly difficult foreign policy challenge and in the process he showed a more cynical deadly at least face to the world support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation where opportunity takes root more information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot Org support for. NPR comes from Newman's own foundation working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable edible organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org will not do events anymore if she's the only brown person speaking and often I have at the ready list of names. 'cause a lot of times the excuses like couldn't find one the stories stories behind the celebrities every Tuesday on it's been a minute from NPR. Hey we're back with rough translation from NPR Gregory Warner. We are airing an episode of through line in today's feed and before we get back to our story I'm here with one of the hosts of through line Ramtane Arab Louis Many listeners may not know you are iranian-american Ronnie in American. Yes you were born in Iran. And you're telling me that that's actually part of the reason you wanted to tell this story. Yeah absolutely this particular. The episode was motivated by the fact that there was a moment In two thousand one after nine eleven where the. US and Iran almost reached some kind of peace he's agreement or cooperation and it was when the US invaded Afghanistan and the enemy of Iran was also the Taliban who were harboring al Qaeda and Afghanistan so the two countries and she's cooperated militarily and Iran knew a great deal about the Taliban and fighting the Taliban right that's exactly right and so the US didn't have much of a intelligence presence in Afganistan so Iran had something us needed and the US was about to get rid of Iran's enemy so they had a mutual interest in a moment and not to put a point on it. But that could changed your life to. I guess to be to what could have been no. It's it's I think you're right. That's a really good point. Because if the diplomatic relations that if they were reinstated to the two countries that would have been a lot easier for me to go back and forth and certainly I would be able to you know. Take my young son back there very easily. Now which I can't how close did did Iran and the US get to actually working together will. It's really hard to tell how close they got to real real peace deal but the cooperate great so then what what happened. What really killed it so in early? Two Thousand and two George W Bush named Iran as part of the Axis axis of evil and when that public declaration was made all the kind of back channel negotiations and and cooperation that was happening between Iran in the US die down and the two countries just rose again and that's when those wars go from an potential of cooperation to a chance to make the US involvement as painful as possible exactly. The goal was to basically make it so painful that the US leaves the region permanently. Okay and that's where you pick up the story. Part to gospel of chaos breath take after Iran fell out with the US in Afghanistan. They caught a break. A strange opportunity presented itself when the Taliban government collapsed many many members of Oak Guida fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Iran. They were quickly arrested and interrogated by Iranian intelligence. And at at that time there was debate within Iran about whether these Sunni jihadists were threat to Shiite Iran or whether they were an asset. You know there were bin Laden family members there was a guy who later went on to become the leader of al Qaeda and Iraq walks up and I think awesome Sula. Money was unique. That was kind of his sinister genius. Thinking you know what we can potentially use these folks and so signed two Revolutionary Guard commanders. Essentially they tend to their needs. There were given televisions or giving money to build a library. Their families were taken out on shopping. Outings one of the most notorious al-Qaeda explosives experts guy was still alive. He's still on the run safer he he had access to this rape. Jim In north Tehran neighborhood called a Lahiya where he used to swim. Laps alongside foreign diplomats. And you know. The children of some bin Laden affectionately called us some Soleimani Haji Qasim. They still break bread together. My Friends Samak was tortured in prison. He was in solitary confinement. And it really angers me to think that hardened jihadists al Qaeda members were treated treated as guests in Iran and real patriots who love their country are treated like criminals and put into solitary confinement demint and exiled and I think that history is not going to reflect well on us some silly money when his biography written in the future. Now Soya money had these guida fighters on his side. He had to figure out exactly how how to use them the way they figure out to do that. Initially by taking these al-Qaeda jihadists and simply unleash them and to rock with the understanding. That you guys go do what you do go. After the United States car bombings suicide bombings. And just a few months into the war August two thousand three three Jordanian cater leader heat. It sets off these three major bombs which essentially destroys the American experiment in Iraq in its infancy mm-hmm one bomb hit the Jordanian embassy another hit the United Nations which reduced their peacekeeping presence there. And lastly the cowie conducted this car bombing against the major Shiite shrine. Alabama's Jack Check. This was unheard of at the time that someone would go set off a car bombing at a mosque during Friday. Prayers prayers this totally radicalized the Shiite community in in Iraq and it essentially pushed them into the arms of Iran and the Buzzer Solani. WHO said to the Shiites of Iraq we can protect you know? There's some slight parallels here with the way. The United States fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the nineteen eighties because the United States also supported these Mujahedeen essentially the justice of their day to go fight. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan obviously not realizing that those folks would be the antecedents attendance of Al Qaeda different conflict same strategy and you never understand until years later what is going to be the residual Joel impact of these choices. So they didn't just you suny extremists to cause chaos in Iraq doc. He also used Iran's money and influence to organize militias among his fellow Shiites in southern Iraq it managed to use the Iraqi Iraqi Shia militias who should be thankful to the United States military because the US had overthrown Saddam's regime but this republic managed to mobilize them against the United States. It served the interests of the slump republic to maintain Iraq in a state of controlled chaos and anarchy. He showed that the United States could not declare itself diviner of developments in Iraq. How does Ali or anyone else know? Oh this well. One Iraqi Shia fighter while being interrogated by American military intelligence explained exactly how he worked with Iran he would. Let's go to Tehran. He would receive bags of money. Approximately seven hundred thousand dollars to up to a one million to form a group of fighters in Iraq I'll goods force funded equipped and even trained Iraqi Shia militias on how to ambush an attack vulnerable American forces. What are their most effective? Active tactics was teaching sheer fighters. How to use I? E deeds improvised explosive devices. DOC which proved to be very effective in getting through metal tanks and maiming and killing injuring. US His troops at the very minimum. Six hundred American servicemen were killed in in those years. You officials hold Suleimani directly responsible support. For for conceiving of that. And that's why you have. You know one if not two generations of American military forces whom if you were to ask them who is your worst adversary in the world the person you see as the greatest threat to the United States and even they know some bin Laden was living and daddy was living there would have still said Assoumani you. Mr Sulaimaniyah believed that by imposing heavy losses on the United States military in Iraq that it was possible to you target the psychology of the American society. Every single time and American is coming home in a body bag it would have have an impact on willingness and support of the American public to preserve a sizeable United States military presence in Iraq. Tuck and in some ways it worked American public support for the war in Iraq waned as the conflict became more costly in lives and money slowly. Holy the American presence in Iraq began to shrink by twenty eleven. The number of American soldiers there was a fraction of what it was just five or six years earlier emboldened by their success and fearing the downfall of allies in the Middle East the Revolutionary Guard with gossip Sulejmani leading the way began to make moves beyond Iraq. mm-hmm part three a string of pearls at least twenty. Protesters have been killed during marches in several Syrian cities. It's estimated that up to a million people have taken to the streets to challenge president. Bashar Assad's rule protesters demanded the ended the regime ripping down a statue of the president's father racing to see the reaction of heavily armed armed government security forces. The answer came quickly and violently. Here they are members of the elite Revolutionary Guards on the frontlines of serious civil the Islamic Republic perceives Syria as a breach head connecting western Afghanistan Iran Iraq to Lebanon Mr Baths and Johnny. The former president he referred to this as a string of paramus if one of collapses it's going to cause very serious trouble for the rest of the system and the stategic thinking of Mr Sanjay new was shared by the leadership of the undergone and Bashar al-Assad had to be defended at all costs at all because they locked shall said be criticized him as a matter of fact but they believe that collapse of the biology and emergence of a different type of version. It would be bad bad for Iran so the Islamic Republic began systematically to send I what's force officers then deployed Lebanese Hezbollah who did so unwillingly. Because as soon as data is to protect Arabs against Israel but here they are going to kill elapse use in Syria very embarrassing for his ball but they also felt that they had no choice. On Sir Alan Jovica Modern Imaging Jeb. Massamba game Part the Adams cheesiness generated madman in it. Could you hear on his sewage. He is not an article gopher out good soldiers serving as an advisor to Syrian military talking about the opposition to show. I said He. He says that it isn't a war between the Syrian people and their government. It's a war between good and evil between Shias from Lebanon Afghanistan Iran and Iraq Komo against Israel. Saudi Arabia. Give Him. But you don't listen to me and your head you would you offline your son. You know mother Jay who is raided. Give Kiara kid to kid cutout it I A and this man was likely reporting awesome solely who was tasked with coordinating and organizing the defense of Bouchara says regime. He did this at a time. When assads ads military was using chemical weapons against its own citizens and bombing rebellious Syrian towns indiscriminately killing combatants and civilians alike? Despite all of this extreme violence Syrian rebels and citizens were still gaining ground and things were not looking good for Solo. Money's militaristic it. After a few years they were suffering so many losses that slumped public hadn't had to deploy other Shia militia groups in Syria for example. She Afghans from the forty million division mm-hmm different Iraqi militias. who were already busy fighting the civil war in Iraq? Some of them also sent advice in the civil war in Syria Syria and at some point of course they were so desperate that much Jerusalem only had to travel to Moscow and ask Vladimir Fourteen four military support because they needed air support and after that things began to go very well for the National Guard. The Revolutionary Guard commanders. They genuinely believe that Syria was a sensational success story. They won against all this capital while. Damascus remains a target for armed groups in the region. Local residents are without doubt Bashar. Al Assad has won the war not. He's not we won the war. No one can argue with that and as long as all presidents is in power. Multiple briefing will be finance area. The war in Syria not only provided the Russian got rid an opportunity to achieve military success on the ground but unfortunately also gave them the opportunity opportunity to compromise themselves ethically and morally. The United Nations has find massive evidence pointing to the Syrian government's involvement in war crimes crimes and crimes against humanity. Syrian activists have accused the forces of President Bashar. Al Assad of killing hundreds of people in a nerve gas attack among the accusation goes to the highest levels and implicates the President Bashar Al Assad the are accomplices of Russia assets. Regime use chemical weapons against the Syrian population that accomplices of the Syrian regime using famine against his own population Lucien as a means of controlling in two thousand fourteen. After years of fighting in Syria and Iraq Ghassem Soya money and the goods force. All of a sudden had a new problem isis basis. And there's a logical question here if Iran had been able to work without Guida. Then why couldn't they just support Isis. Well I'll guide. I was a little different than Isis. Kaieda was not out gratuitously. Listen beheading Shiites. The way that Isis was doing for the Iranian regime. Isis was just beyond the pail Islamic republic and Russia Guard Corps perceived. This as a serious threat. which could take away all their games from then? Isis posed a real threat to Iran Shiite allies in Iraq. Some points Islamc state was was threatening back at the same time. I would argue that both Iran and the Assad regime in Syria actually utilize Sunni jihadist presence of such such an inhumane enemy universally condemned as a terrorist organization. It was not such a bad thing from the Iranian side Because the Slavic Republic which had hitherto difficulties explaining and legitimizing its military actions in Iraq and Syria. Suddenly he had a legitimate cause to engage in the fight against terror on those occasions just at it did before you know in two thousand and one in Afghanistan. The United States and Islamic Republic cooperated with each other the United States air force was providing air cover to the courts. It's force operatives and Mr Sulejmani personally so that he could cleans the city of to create of the radical elements and Islamic state at that time in two thousand fourteen and fifteen the. What's force and Mr Sulejmani? Both of them were on the list of designated terrorists of the United States government government. So you kill see strange bedfellows in times of war And this is the moment when Ghassem Sony Manny became internationally known the Revolutionary Guard new his appeal his face was put on posters camera crews followed him as he visited soldiers in Syria. Music was made about him and all the way up to his death a few weeks ago he was successfully marketed as kind of this Shiite check of our how does not necessarily that. The mother this is footage on any speaking twelve could force Syria. It is actually pretty good Charlotte but in a positive of the suit the and this is a song in Arabic made to honor him in the late Major General Salim money. It was a man with at least two faces one face. That is the face of a young man who left his little village to go to the front to defend Iran against the invading Iraqi army in nineteen eighty that very same individual of course also had another other face. That face is the face of a general who cynically attacked and killed American servicemen in Iraq. Since two thousand and three and also most unfortunately engaged or was complicit in warcrimes in Iraq and also in Syria these two faces that showed the complexity of the individual mm-hmm I respect. I won the war hero. But of course I condemn the other face. Which is that of workroom program? And I think I have a somewhat different perspective here than many analysts of Iranian origin. Because not only did I live in neuron but I also lived in Beirut and I would travel every couple of weeks to Damascus for your and so when I see the destruction of Syria these these numbers are not just as statistic for me that thirteen million people displaced in a six hundred thousand people killed. I see awesome. So the money is being directly complicit and that horrific violence. This is frankly my problem with a lot of Iranian so comment on this because I feel like they totally lack self awareness about the only view in the Iranian context and they don't give it about about the role. He played elsewhere in the region. I tell people how would you feel as Iranian to watch millions of Iraqis morning Saddam Hussein Lot of people commented about Suleimani was that he was soft spoken. He wasn't someone who was like This fire-breathing radical and I'm always reminded of this Persian saying about the clerics that if you look at the hands of the molars of the clerics dust off awesome that we've been emailing each called necker that cut Jedinak down that Amish. Their hands are always like perfectly manicured as if they haven't done any manual labor in their live for aren't even known war the talk tough game but they've never served in conflict and that was thing that's probably one reason why Selena was soft spoken. No he didn't need to breathe rhetorical fire because everyone knew he had his elbows. Deepen blood That's it for this week's show. I'm running out that I'm romping Arab Louis and you've been listening to through live from NPR. This episode was produced by me and me and Jamie York Lawrence. Woo Lane Kaplan Levinson Lou. Hausky Nigeri Eytan fact. Checking for this episode was done by Kevin. I've been vocal. Thanks also to on your grunion IDA. Poor Assad an Austin Horn. Our music was composed by routine and his band drop electric. This rebroadcast the episode was produced by rough translations own autumn. Barnes thanks also to Zach Warren and Tom Verner for refreshing my memory Marie of that Iran trip you can listen to more through line at NPR dot org slash through line or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Gregory Warner back next month with more rough translation.

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Episode 151: By the Book

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Episode 151: By the Book

"Killer had been waiting for the man to arrive. Abraham was German immigrants in his mid fifties who tended to sleep wherever he found work. He was also trained blacksmith and had been helping out in the shop owned by Peter Leah's junior in the small town of Hyde Park just north of reading Pennsylvania. On the night of June eighth of nineteen. Sixteen Abraham. Fiqh returned home to nine pm after seeing some friends and walk through the shadows outside the blacksmith shop on his way to the barn where he slept. And that's a figure stepped out of the darkness and brought the handle of an axe down hard upon his head. Abraham instantly collapsed. With as victim on the ground, the killer then turned his acts around and proceeded to bring the sharp blade down upon Abraham's neck over and over the axe cut into his flesh and bone until the only thing, keeping the head attached where a few strands of skin. At killer, then buried the body you have gotten away with it too. But he didn't. So in the woman who lived across the street, woke up the following morning and looked out the window Abraham fixed body was easy to spot. The police were called and moments after arriving to investigate, they found the killer sitting calmly inside the blacksmith shop and mumbling to himself about what he had done. It was the shop owner himself. Peter. Leah's. But the most terrifying aspect of his story isn't what he did or how he did it. It's why. According to newspaper accounts from that weak. Peter had recently suffered a nervous breakdown and sought out the advice of a local man he referred to only as a charcoal burner. Today, we would know that man as a practitioner of powing type of folk magic common among German immigrants Pennsylvania at the time. Apparently this healer told Peter that Abraham fick had been plotting to murder him and then gave him a book to help guide his decisions and keep him safe. In the end though it seems that Peter found a solution on his own. To kill before he himself could be killed. When he was arrested though that book was found in his pocket and in the coming weeks, it would feature heavily in the news. Eventually, Peter would avoid prison altogether instead being sent to a local asylum because of insanity they claimed caused by obsessively reading that book. And while it's hard to imagine one small objects having that much of an impact on the mental state of a person. The story of Peter Leah's highlights a belief that was all too common for centuries. Some books were more powerful than others. And when taken too far. The results? Could be deadly. I'm Aaron Minke. And this Is Lower. It. All started with writing. Today most of US probably take it for granted but thousands of years ago. The act of writing things down was revolutionary before cultures had to pass their knowledge on through song and story memorizing what they could and hoping that nothing would be forgotten. But writing changed all of that. It allowed one generation to pass its collective knowledge onto the next. All of a sudden humans went from guarding what little they knew to using the writings of the past to learn and then grow beyond. Yes. They are just little characters on the page. A writing is so much more than that. It was our road map out of the past. But almost as soon as knowledge began to be compiled in saved, some people began to use that method for documenting something less mainstream than philosophy theology or history they began to write about magic. In fact, according to pliny the elder who wrote during the middle of the first century the first person to have written down magic was a Persian astrologer named after his. And Austin as was special for a big reason, he accompanied the Persian King Xerxes the great on his mission to conquer the Greek world, and while Persia lost that war something that you can see fictional glimpses ob in the hit film three hundred, the trip allowed Austin as to spread his magical writings to a whole new region of the world. For many cultures, the very act of writing was considered magic among the Toba Botox people of Northern Indonesia, they're books of magic are known as Puszta. They are these amazing documents that can sometimes be up to fifty feet long before being folded accordion style and bound inside a cover, and they were only created by priests using Sacred Inc because it was the act of making them that made them powerful. End of the spectrum though many books have been considered magical not for their contents but for their appearance despite everyone being taught not to judge a book by its cover, countless books through history have been considered powerful because they are large or bound in leather or have gilded edges. All of these books though fall into a category that most people have heard of but very few understand. They are grim wars, books of knowledge and Instruction centered around the magical. Arts. Gremlin magical in themselves but the are said to contain charms, instructions and recipes for making things that provide supernatural help two desperate people. and. It's also important to point out that while we don't exactly know where the term grimwasde comes from most scholars believe it's related to a French word for books written in Latin and that's a big clue about the perception around these books in a world where most people couldn't understand a single bit of Latin writing flipping through them must have felt like exploring the notebook of a magician. Most groom wires contain the same sort of information to they were a how to guide for crafting charms that could protect the user or help them achieve some of their more basic cravings like sex money power, and finding objects they had lost but wanted back they weren't books of spells in the Harry, Potter Sense. But more of a household reference guide for wind life got difficult, which was just about every day for most people back then. It's also worth mentioning that during the centuries spanning the Middle Ages and the early modern period, most people couldn't even read these books and the few who could were often clergy thanks to the Catholic Churches Reliance on Lenton. So in the hands of the uneducated, a grim was more of a talisman it represented magic simply by existing. Historian Owen, Davies hands down. One of the world's leading experts on the history of grim wars illustrates this with the small but powerful anecdote for roughly a thousand years. An illuminated copy of the Christian Gospels was kept safely inside an Abbey Enduro a town in central Ireland. But in the seventeenth century, the Abbey was shut down in the manuscript known today as the book of d'oro fell into private hands and it was sometime after that when the book was taken out of storage and literally dunked in water. Why? Because local farmers were desperate secure their sick cows and they believe that the water would gain magical powers from contact with the Holy Book As time went on though grim wires became more and more associated with the occult world so much so that the clergy who owned them found themselves at risk during the various inquisitions of time, a common charge was possession of books on Black Magic and untold thousands of grim wars burned or destroyed in the hunt for heresy. But that association between grim wars and clergy had another side effect. Thanks to the growing public awareness of these little instructional books it became more and more important to justify their authority to put a stamp of approval on them. So that anyone even those who couldn't read them might understand just how significant they were. These books were powerful. Because of the legendary people. Who wrote. Them Like. So many things a lot of this can be traced back to Egypt while magical writings were common all throughout the ancient world. It was the hellenistic period when Egypt fell under the rule of the Greeks that those activities really took off because when the Egyptian priests began to speak and write in Greek that meant a whole new world of magic had just opened up to the rest of the Greek world. For most grim wars, it all came down to packaging and what better way to make one collection of magical writings stand out above all the others. Then by giving it a false origin story that sampled those ancient routes if a good percentage of people out there couldn't read what was inside them. Why not claim that these books were written by legendary figures from the past? I on that list. Was Moses the Jewish profit let people out of Egypt in a lot of mines, Moses was a powerful magician just looking at the details of his story makes it easy to see why splitting the waters of the Red Sea turning his staff into a snake and communicating with God through a burning? Bush all of it smacked of magic. So naturally, a number of grim wars took on his name. and. There were a lot of them to the key of Moses, the Secret Moon, book of Moses, the Arken jellicoe teaching of Moses you get the idea but the most common one was called the sixth and seventh books of Moses. Obviously, it wasn't written by him but that didn't matter to most people and this book was wildly popular. One group of people that revered it's were the German heck's doctors Pennsylvania remember the story of Peterlee, from the beginning of this episode that book that was given to him by the charcoal burner was the sixth and Seventh Book of Moses and a quick search of newspapers throughout the region in the late eighteen hundreds will net you hundreds of mentions of the book. People, using it people selling it. Honestly it was everywhere. What did the book contained that made it so popular while besides the name of most on the front, it was viewed by many as a guide for finding lost objects, misplaced money, hidden treasure, and precious metals. If you wanted to find it this grim war was the most trusted how to guide out there. Those who used it though claimed, it was filled with power historian. Davies tells the story of one Pennsylvania hex doctor who described reading it out loud for the first time. The man claimed that as he did. So his home filled with a flood voices shouting his name as a host of people beyond the veil were calling out to him when he closed it though. The voices stopped. But Moses wasn't the only person worthy of having his name on the front of a grim Warr for a lot of people over the centuries. If you were to repurpose one figure to represent wisdom and power, it would be the biblical King Solomon. The irony is that nowhere in the Bible is he portrayed as a magician but honestly, when has irony ever stopped gullible people from swallowing ally? What Solomon did have going for? Him was the rumor that he had written thousands of books. So when grim wars began to appear with his name on them, it seemed to many as if those lost a book had been found, what they contained though were entire fantasies designed to catch the eyes of people hungry for more magic. The Testament of Solomon, for example was a manuscript that told the story of how demons bothered the workmen building the temple in Jerusalem in its pages were diagrams and drawings that claim to show exactly how Solomon defeated those demons to a medieval reader. This book was a powerful tool because now they could control the forces of darkness as well. The most popular book associated with him was known as the Clev- Akilah Mona's or the key of Solomon dates to about the fifteenth century and has more instructional material regarding spirits, how to bind them, how to summon them or even to control them. It also has a healthy dose of help for those seeking to get or expand their love life naturally texts like that proved immensely popular. There were others over the centuries as well. A number of books were attributed to a man named Saint Ciprian of Antioch which detailed his magical education in. Egypt. Before converting to Christianity to this day some people in Armenia still wear scrolls of CIPRIAN as charms around their necks while others still recite prayers in his name. And then there is the picket tricks, which despite how it sounds is not a pokemon character von to of originated in. Spain in the Eleventh Century, the picket tricks was written by an Arabic scholar after the book was translated into Latin Century later, its popularity exploded and it's easy to see why the picket tricks was essentially a how to guide for making talismans. Physical charms that people would wear that were thought to have magical powers, but it also mixed in healthy dose of astrology. Mathematics and Alchemy, which illustrates something else. That's important to point out too many people there was no wall separating magic and science. Yes. Clergy were often viewed as possible magicians because of their familiarity with languages like Hebrew, Latin, and Greek languages that looked to most people like occult symbols but during the Middle Ages, the assumptions carried over to scientists as well. Because of that one man's name has become more connected than most the world of magical writing. And if the stories are true. There's a good reason why? His name was Michael Scott. No I'm not about to pitch you my office reunion script that was his real name. He was born in Scotland sometime around eleven seventy five and then travelled abroad for work and study. So it makes sense that the world would come to know him as Michael the Scott or just plain old Michael Scott. Scholars have made gases for years about where Scott was educated. Some say Oxford while others believe it might have been Durham. End. These are just theories. All we can say for sure is that he received an education that gave him the skills to read and write Latin opening up the world's a philosophy and science to him. And that's about all we know about his roots the first time he actually shows up in the public record is in. Spain in the year twelve seventeen when he completed his translation of an Arabic book on astronomy known in English as on the sphere by Alcatraz, it's also a during his time in Spain that he said to have made a prediction about his own death. Supposedly a tiny stone would fall from the sky and strike him on the head prompting him to have a metal cap made something. He was said to wear every day after that. It end pops up in Italy in twelve twenty going on record of all things to settle a mathematical dispute between two neighbors after that more movements a few years later, we find him connected to pope on Arias the third, which eventually led to a few church jobs back in England. But in twelve twenty seven, he was back in Italy and this time his powerful friend would be of the more worldly kind, the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick the second. Now. Frederick was an interesting guy despite the title of Holy Roman emperor he was publicly not a Christian. It was a position that earned him a reputation as an evil man and that attracted all sorts of scandal and rumors and fueling those flames was one clear fact Frederick was a man of science. For example, Frederick actually brought Egyptian scholars Italy to help him develop away to incubate ostrich eggs using the heat of the sun, and he not only employed Michael Scott as his court astrologer. Leonardo BANACCI NACI, the famed mathematician who's responsible for just about every challenging math course you ever took in school. Rex Court was a court of Science, and in time when science and magic occupied the same mental space for most people that got the general public whispering and it didn't help that Scott had trained a place that was practically synonymous with magic the Spanish city of Toledo. Toledo in the twelfth century for lack of a better analogy was hogwarts historian. Owen Davies says it best clergymen seeking instruction found the Liberal Arts Paris the Law in Bologna Medicine in Salerno and Demons in Toledo. The city and sorcery were so intertwined in people's minds that for a very long time a common term for magic itself was Sciascia Toilet Tana, the knowledge of Toledo. and. In a lot of ways, this was Michael Scott's Alma Mater. He might not have begun his formal education there, but it was certainly where he built his reputation. Thanks to the overlap of Arabic and European cultures. He was exposed to all sorts of fields of study that caused rumors and it's easy to see why if he had learned about things like astrology in natural philosophy then surely he had also studied Nick Roman city and Dima -nology write. The stories we have about Scott from his time in the court of Emperor. Frederick second are dripping with magic one. Taylor explains that he had a passion for throwing elaborate dinner parties. It said that he would frequently invite friends over for a meal. But when they arrived, they would discover that no one was busy in the kitchen leaving them to wonder where their meal would come from. That's when Scott would lead them into the dining room where exotic dishes would all be waiting for them on the table? One by one, he would point to a dish and explain where it came from this one was from Paris. In this one here was from London hinting that all of them had somehow magically transported from those tables to his own. In another story, Scott hosted a large gathering on a hot humid day and the emperor himself was they're looking for Relief Frederick was said to have asked Scott if he could do something to cool everyone off in response, the magician said to have summoned fierce rainstorm which blew in suddenly dropping the temperature and then vanished almost as quickly as it had arrived. Many of the legends that we have about Scott's are centered around a grim war that he carried with him entitled the Book of Might With the incantations it contained, he was able to summon familiar to help him perform tasks. Once upon being told to go to France and ask them to put an end to French piracy, he was said to have used the book to call up demonic black horse which carried him off into the sky. In the end Scott is a frustrating character, he clearly existed but so much of his life is still a mystery to us today. What we do know though is that he lived on that blurry line between science and magic and left a trail of amazing stories in his wake stories that hinted at the dark reputation and legendary power of grim wars. We do know one more thing about him though. When he died. One of the benefits of working in the court of the Holy Roman emperor meant that there were a lot of other educated people around. In twelve thirty, six, the court poet Henry of of ranch recorded in one of his poems that Scott had recently passed away and he makes sure we know who he's talking about by describing Scott someone who revealed hidden secrets through the use of numbers and stars. But. The most surprising thing about his death isn't that was recorded. But how it happened in the first place, it said the Scott was a pious man but to church one day just as bell was being rung. Maybe he felt guilty for his late arrival or perhaps it was something he did every time he attended, but he removed his cap as he entered the church. His metal cap. And that's the moment when the rope from the bell ringer brushed against a loose bit of masonry knocking free from the tower above. It might have been small no bigger than a man's fist but a fall from such a great height gave that tiny stone a chance to attain a lethal velocity. The. Stone landed directly on his bare head. Killing him instantly. Exactly, as he had predicted. Years before. Knowledge is power. I know it's a phrase. We've all heard once or twice in our lives, but it's often more true than we realize the more we know the more possibilities open up to us and everyone wants to grow beyond the life they're living in some way shape or form. At the heart of the world of grim wars is the notion of unattainable knowledge buried within secrecy. I know it sounds like a convenient arguments but for a really long time, the very fact that people could not understand these books was what convinced them that they were powerful and valuable surely something. So mysterious and esoteric must be hiding life-changing secrets. All you need to do is read the DAVINCI. Code to get a crash course in all of that the written word, some say can be a hiding place for secret knowledge and anyone clever enough to tease it out might be able to rise above the rest. It's an attitude that hints recognition of our human limitations. Then are deep desire to gather tools that might ward off the most dangerous types of threats against us. But with secret knowledge also comes fear. People have wondered for centuries exactly. What might go wrong if someone played with the pen door's boxes of magical writing book burnings, Inquisitions, and social pressure have all been used to suppress interest in these books. After all. You can't believe something like that dangerous without also believing it's true. But in doing so they've missed something important grim wires were the sort of that attracted lovers of learning across all areas of science and philosophy and the sort of mental gymnastics and high level translation work that was required to read them ended up equipping brilliant people with the tools to push society forward. And Michael Scott was one of them. The works of Aristotle are a great. His surviving works span a wide assortment of topics from politics philosophy to physics and ethical studies, and if it wasn't for Michael Scott's translation of Aristotle's writings, medieval Europe wouldn't have had one of its cornerstones of knowledge. The irony is after many long centuries. It was Scott's own. That were in danger of vanishing forever. As recently as the nineteen thirties had become almost impossible to read all of his work in one place. In fact, it was a common complaint among scholars of Medieval history at someone should take time to gather the few manuscripts that still existed and compile them into a new critical edition. So a German scholar took up that challenge, his name was Hans Meyer and he gathered most of the remaining Scott manuscript into his workspace to begin building that master edition. The writings of one of the most famous and infamous medieval scientists and magicians would finally have their chance to shine. The trouble was Meyer had left Germany for the safety of London to do his work safety because Germany had fallen under the spell of a Nazi dictator and war had broken out across Europe as far as Meyer was concerned. London was far enough away to stay out of danger. But he couldn't have been more wrong. In nineteen forty Nazi Germany began the blitz a bombing campaign against the United Kingdom. German bombers dropped their deadly cargo on cities and targets all across the country in hopes of destroying key military assets and the British morale but there was one other casualty in all of that. Michael. Scott. You see in one, thousand, nine, forty, one bomb landed on the house that haunts Meyer was living and working in killing the scholar and destroying everything inside. Every single. Scott manuscript that he had with him at the time was lost including his own translations of those valuable documents. When his house was searched for survivors, all that was found were a couple of torn pages scattered on the floor. Of course, the search and rescue team didn't know what they were, and so they simply walked through the papers leaving a shoeprint on them as if they were nothing more than trash. In the end. That's the double-edged Sword of the written word. Yes. It has allowed those who came before us record all they know and believe which could be handed down to the next generations. But it also puts that knowledge in a precarious situation. Whether it's recorded on stone paper or the latest in digital technology. Nothing is ever permanent. In once it's lost. It's gone forever. Michael Scott Certainly, provides a unique glimpse into the world of wars, but he's far from the only one throughout the ages countless colorful figures harnessed the power of those mysterious tomes and in the process left their own indelible mark on the pages of history. And if you stick around after this brief sponsor break, I'll tell you one more tale of magic and mayhem. This episode of Laura was made possible by the great courses plus one of the many things I. 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It might be something as frightening as a sick child or as benign as a lost wallet but no matter what the people needed believe that Hannah heatherly could help them with. Hannah was a known practitioner of powering at old Pennsylvania Dutch mixture of folk magic religion and homebrew medicine. So it made sense for her to treat people with physical ailments. She was known to treat patients with epilepsy nervousness depression, and even Saint Anthony's dance type of involuntary movement Disorder One newspaper article from March of Nineteen, seventy nine described the essence of powing like this. It consists of blowing the breath over a wound or sore and repeating. Appeal or prayer. And these prayers were found inside one of the more recent additions to the list of grim wars. A book called the long lost friend for practitioners Paolini. It was a required tool and they rarely went anywhere without it. It was a small book easily stuffed into a pocket or purse, and in the world of those who believed in that particular bent of folk magic, it was practically on par with the Bible. Hannah lived about four miles outside the village, a small log cabin just off the muddy road behind the tiny house was a small hill covered in boulders and trees, and often the side yard was a Kennel where she was said to keep a pair of large black dogs. Roaming all over the property. Of course, we're a few black cats now I guess my point is this. If ever there was someone perfectly set up to look like a witch Anna heatherly was it. Sometime. In the winter of eighteen, seventy, eight to eighteen, seventy, nine Hannah claimed to have a number of odd dreams in one of them. She was pulled from her bed by some powerful invisible force and carried to a nearby mill once they're a voice cried out dig here and you will find money that was once stolen and hidden away in secrets. The following night, the dream happened again, Hannah tested the signs by performing rituals that might help her and each time she claimed that the evidence pointed toward gold. So she told a handful of her regular customers about the dreams and a few of them offered to help. According to her most of them were sons of wealthy local tobacco farmers most likely looking for a way to become as rich as their. Without the years of hard work, of course. So Hannah drew up a list of twenty four locations where she believed gold had been buried and then went to retrieve a special charm book that she kept hidden away. It was an old book written in German that she had inherited from her grandfather and to keep it safe. She tended to Wrap It in oiled leather and bury it beneath her ash heap. It was described by one witness is filled with text in red and black inks red for the blood of good spirits and black for those bad and it was filled with all sorts of charms and prescriptions. It was called. The sixth and Seventh Book of Moses. Their expeditions worked something like this. Hannah would lead a team of diggers to a particular location and the ritual would begin. No one was allowed utter a word and digging carry on for hours in utter silence less the spell be broken they would dig a hole in the earth six feet in diameter and six feet deep, and then Hannah would climb down inside it. then. She would place a special piece of parchment on the dirt at the bottom all covered in weird occult symbols and diagrams, and then pull a device out of her back called an earth glass. It was supposed to allow her to see the treasurer beneath the ground and as long as they remained silent and did everything right that treasurer would slowly rise up toward them. Once. The diggers claim that they all saw. Begin to happen a large iron chest slowly emerged from the ground like a whale surfacing for air. But the site of it was almost two amazing to believe and one of the workers muttered an exclamation out loud instantly, the chest began to sink back down and despite a number of them scrambling to catch it. It slipped away. For weeks upon weeks Anna led her team of followers all around the region almost always at night digging for buried treasure. Alice newspaper articles were published of their adventures and a handful of reporters even showed up on her doorstep to ask her all about it. But as far as the historical record tells us. They never found a single thing. Hannah's treasure hunt does teach US something powerful about hidden secrets and forbidden knowledge though. We might not always be able to find what we're looking for. But we'll never know. Unless we dig. This episode of Lor was written and produced by me, Aaron McKie With Research Sam Alberti and music by Chad. Lawson. 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BONUS: Soleimani's Iran

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BONUS: Soleimani's Iran

"Hey up first listeners. It's Noel here. It is Sunday. And we've got a bonus episode for you today. After the United States assassinated the Iranian General Custom Sulejmani in a drone strike a few weeks ago he suddenly became a household name in the US and it seems like Iran in the United States might go to war so the money was arguably the most important member of the Revolutionary Guard. That's the military arm of the Islamic Republic of Iran which has been fighting direct and proxy wars across the Middle East for forty years the the latest episode of NPR's history. PODCAST through line tells the story of Sulejmani and the Revolutionary Guards host from tr. Bluey and run up the top. Bring us the story. I am possible. I American practical one on our pipe for your On airplane hijacked by sixty two five. I believe it is a bit. You'd have the him of the uh-huh yeah The tragedy of that moment for those of us who paid attention to Iran there was is this glimmer of hope that both the United States and Iran or adversaries of the Taliban in Afghanistan which was hosting al-Qaeda Ada so it seemed like there was this natural convergence of interest and by all accounts he ran played quite constructive to roll and cooperating with the US and campaign to get rid of the Taliban Afghanistan. Mrs Kareem such poor. A senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment dominant an adjunct professor at Georgetown until two thousand and one Iran was boxed in it was isolated and surrounded by and it was on the east side. The enemy was the Taliban machine on the western side in on Baghdad and and Saddam Hussein's regime the Atai terrorist I attacks of September eleventh. Two Thousand and one changed at situation completely because the US would soon go. After both of Iran's enemies Arusha got welcomed the development the Revolutionary Guard is a military arm of the Islamic Republic of Iran. It's also called the I. R. Did you see and there were secret meetings in Geneva the IMG see intelligence officers handed over maps and exact locations of Taliban strongholds in Afghanistan to American representatives for we shimmer presidencies very thankful because American intelligence presence at the time in in Afghanistan very limited. This is Allie Albany. He's a senior fellow at the Arab Gulf States Institute he's been researching the Revolutionary Guard for for years and he wrote the book on the topic called. I do believe it or not. I don't remember that right now. I don't know Iran unveiled yes Iran Andrea. I never liked title of the book. You know that's why I don't. There was this hope in the air. That maybe there's finally an opportunity for us. Huron Reproche Mon.. You know. Many Iranians were hopeful about that. But the good vibes between to change completely when President Bush delivered his so called Axis of evil speech in which you put Iran North Korea and Iraq lump them as part of an axis of evil states like these and their terrorist allies constitute an axis of evil arming to threaten the peace of the world. That only confirmed the already very cynical world. View of Iran's hard liners that cooperation with the United. United States is futile more rain inside and pushed into God. They felt betrayed. They felt they had played a constructive role in helping to get rid of the Taliban. In their own opinion they had helped yet states when there were rewarded by being placed the axis of evil at that time the Revolutionary Guard and political leadership in Indus Lama public the side that that President Bush could not be trusted and United States was a very very serious threats. They also believe that it was about time. Time to impose sunglasses on the United States. That's became reality after two thousand three where the United States also invaded Iraq. Let me say this to all Iraqis who are listening. The regime is not telling the truth. There are no negotiations taking place with anyone. The Saddam Hussein's regime there will be no outcome to this war that leaves Saddam Hussein and his regime in power. Let there be no doubt many of the greatest advocates of the Iraq war. Believe that this would be a project to democratize the entire Middle East. And that's going to immediately de-legitimize Iranian regime. It's going to de-legitimize that theocracy in Iran. And so if your bus Sulaimaniya me and I told her how many you think to yourself we will do everything in our power to make sure that the US war in rock is a colossal failure the US air strike killed. Ron's most important military command the targeted killing of Major General Kacem Sulejmani. I think Americans have to understand how significant figured so the money was. This is the night night. Iran struck back for the death of Sulamani last night's missile launch along targeted to faces that are key to US operations in the region. Ukrainian passenger jet plagued has a crush on now. Admitting it shot down and Ukrainian passenger plane by mistake you're listening to through line from NPR. Will we go back in time. Understand the present by now. You've probably heard the name costume solely money. Many times in the news when he was assassinated he suddenly became a household us. Hold name in America for people. In Iran his name is not new solely money was arguably the most important member of the Revolutionary Guard which has been fighting direct and proxy wars in the Middle East for forty years it was designated a terrorist organization by the State Department in two thousand nineteen but that label doesn't capture its complexity or its immense power. The Revolutionary Guard and costumes to name any embody both sides of the Islamic republic. Iran's identity on the one hand they position themselves as the only power in the Muslim world resisting American imperialism and on the other they behave cynically and try to dominate the affairs of the Middle East at any human cost in this episode. We're going to explore the origins of the I art and the story awesome solely money to understand exactly what their impact has been on the Iran. US relationship Hi this is my Iran you on and you're listening to align NPR this message comes from NPR sponsor capital one with capital one. A new savings account earns five times the national average. That's five times more savings toward that overdue home edition or maybe even an addition on that edition. Kevin Capital. One is helping you earn more towards your savings goals. This is banking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? NA member member FDIC. What's good Yo as you know? February is black and all throughout that month. NPR's codes which is going to be running a special series about the history of black resistance because as long as black folks have been oppressed in this country. which is you know forever? We've also been fighting back. Listen and subscribe in part one the goat the on the nick. This is the sound of Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei leading prayers at the funeral of Qassem so a billion they know bill. Well how you rod in Carlow College and after a few minutes he breaks down and cries Bake Nick. Roman rule in love alone at so. This moment perfectly illustrates the impact of Soleil. Money's death here you have the most powerful person in the country the Middle East longest running autocrat. We being openly openly because one of his soldiers has died but he wasn't just any soldier he was the head of Iran's goods force which is the intelligence arm of the revolutionary. Mary Guard established after the Islamic Revolution. In nineteen seventy nine when Iran's king the Shah was dramatically overthrown by a mass movement. Supporting the cleric Eric. I- Atallah Khomeini. Gee I do you know yourself whether you're remarkable stance on climate Yongxin Manhattan. Maha Yoshua under. They have told me that they art getting prepared. I have given the permission to prepare themselves. Which means getting arms? The Revolutionary Guards yards were essentially set up in the immediate aftermath of the revolution. Because the Shaw's military which Ayatollah Khomeini inherited with the revolution he he was inherently mistrustful of them. Because he said these are not my men. These were men who are trained by the Shah's government and so like most most authoritarian regimes in the Middle East were extremely paranoid about the prospect of a coup and for that reason they set up this initially rag tag group of men. They called the Guardians of the revolution. citoyen pasta on an alum To be the protectors of the revolution. And even if you look at the name of the institution the exact and work by what translation is the army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution in other words the name Iran is not even mentioned in the name of organization and in the logo there. Is You know a picture of the globe. Not Not a map appleyard so clearly. This group of Iranian revolutionaries perceived their own organizations as the vanguard of any to nationalist Revolution Revolution ooh that data tariff VJ. Monday Buddhist Chevette. Matal missing job. You've that this is awesome. Awesome Saudi money speaking. I love that Pedo. Muna also Amer have the these brand more heavily than Ed la that. Holy Sh- minute. When he died he was one of the most powerful and well known people in the Middle East but his story starts parts the exact opposite way it ended in complete obscurity? He was born the son of landless peasants who left school After only five years of schooling left in village mountain of rapport goes to to come on and begins working construction worker. There is no record of Mr Sola. Money Being Revolutionary Russian Activists prior to the root of seventy-nine after the revolution of seventy-nine he accused have joined the local branch of the Revolutionary Guard. Court in Carmen. At that time we are not aware of his ideological beliefs but there is one thing that we know in the immediate aftermath of the revolution and many of them more or less lost their belief in the clerical class they believe in Khomeini yes as a spiritual leader and as the leader of the revolution but most of the other members of the clerical class they completely destroyed and the reason for that is that Revolutionary Guard officers the were taking out and recruited to serve as personal bodyguards to the clerics as personal bodyguards. They had to live physically under the same roof as members of the clerk. And when you live with people you find out that not everyone wearing a cloak and tour. Saint you find out that someone one who from the pulpit of the mosque is preaching against drinking alcohol. Patch enjoys a drink at home. Somebody who is raiding homosexuality may maybe interested in handsome young man at home so the sanctity of the clerical flash completely came down crashing so instead of being overtly anticlerical the IRDC court including Mr Salim money. They developed an ideology which mixed she. I slam and Persian nationalist. Iranian national is so in that sense they managed to combined combined. The two and this combination was so unbelievably potent that it managed to mobilize millions of Iranians when Ghassem Sulaimaniya joined the Revolutionary Guards. He was very young only in his early twenties but he still managed to impress his commanders enough to get an important task. One that probably had an impact on him for the rest of his life. One of his earliest assignments was to go quell Kurdish rebellion in northwest Iran. Because at the time there was an anti government uprising in Kurdistan. And if you see the photographs of that rebellion They are incredibly violent. Approximately ten thousand Kurds died during that period I think that that was his baptism into that kind of career. He saw terrible things with his own eyes and perhaps he also engaged in in acts which are a difficult to to to defend morally but at the time it was perceived as necessity in order to preserve the territorial integrity of Iran immediately after that came the heroic phase of the Revolutionary Guards history in Iran. And that is the war. With Iraq in nineteen eighty Saddam Hussein invaded south western Iraq and the Revolutionary Guard forces. Were some of the first to respond. And the frontline cities Iranian Romanian troops herod to engage the invaders local resistance was led by Iran's Revolutionary Guards who officially loyal to Atallah Khomeini. What was initially this small rag tag group of men mushroomed into thousands of men on then? They relied heavily on rifles and rocket propelled grenades and in sporadic engagements exacted the heavy toll of the invading forces from their example stem the Iranian mood of self sacrifice in a holy war. Aw Iraq you know in. The beginning of the war was occupying some of Iran's most important oil-producing ideas if Iran lost land to Iraq the entire entire country would collapse. Even though the Iranian side was outgunned. They were able to push Iraq's military back to its borders orders in two years on a in this Misha's Tigon on data mobile villainy B.'s. Todd Gondar mobile dish. Modesto's Rouge Merimee. Bussum use them to Gusta to those. Were sitting in the House of God standing up against the enemies of God. I will kiss your hands and shoulders because the hands of God or above you caused them. Sulejmani became a revolutionary guard commander and began to build his reputation as a brave warrior. This is the commander who would be you talking personally to all men under his command before each attack and we are talking about the war which most of our resembles were one was trench warfare warfare. You had at least two hundred fifty thousand Iranians being killed in that war. He wasn't this commander who would sit in a bunker and Tehran and order people people around you know he he likes to go out there in war zones and appear to be a man of the people and here. You have one commander. A young man from chairman doing reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines to minimize the risk for men under his command. And I'm really emphasizing. I think this because most of the people from Chairman David in the same division and many of them are actually personal friends and sometimes family members of Mr. It's only money on one occasion. Radio DOT which was transmitting programs in Persian language made Mr solely money in minor celebrity celebrity of the war because one particular occasion when Mr Sulejmani was doing reconnaissance mission this young peasants sees a goat and he steals the goats brings the ghost back and prepares Kebab for his men and radio DOT apparently heard of this story and began propagating getting the name Sulejmani. The goat teeth will be this man law man. What a moment would them them in Jenga mom ambler would has your niche hitched Mustafa denomination genuine? With all my soul and belief I I believe our war was full of those blessed souls with the heavens were ecstatic to meet talking solely money goat. The went onto to fight for the entirety of the Iran Iraq war with almost no leaf repeatedly committing acts of bravery nineteen eighty-eight. When the war ended he was widely considered to be a war hero? The had this charisma which really engendered enormous loyalty and Dan Defection. And even after the war ended he didn't like many revolutionary guardsmen than just enter the private sector who tried to go off and get rich like his entire life was the revolution projecting uranium power at the end the war so they money was sent back to his home province Gehrmann where he became the chief of the local Revolutionary Guard force. Kerman province is close to the Afghan and Pakistani border and at the time of the nineteen ninety s many African an Iranian drug cartels for operating in those areas Chasse portes change particularly opium from Afghanistan to Iran and from Iran to international mark. Mr Money became heavily involved in the fight against the drug cartels later when Iran and Afghanistan the Taliban regime in Afghanistan for almost on the brink of a war. The what's what's force was looking for a new face for India Command. And because Afrikaners thought was the primary threat to Iran's national security the regime needed and Afghanistan experts and Mr Soliman who was one of those people so that was the reason why he she became the chief commander of the force awesome solely money in the course of two decades had gone from a completely unknown construction construction worker to the head of Iran's most important intelligence military organization but this was only the first half of his rise because just three years into his tenure. As the head of Al Qods Force. Nine eleven happened. He found himself right in the middle of the action helping shape. Iran's response to an incredibly difficult foreign policy challenge and in the process he showed a more cynical deadly deadly face to the world. I mean one of the Houston. Texas was John The through line. NPR from run. I love Y'all you make sitting in Houston traffic perfect way more enjoyable. Thanks support for this podcast and the following message come from the Walton Family Foundation where opportunity takes root more information information is available at Walton Family Foundation Dot Org. Here's some good news morning edition from. NPR News isn't just for morning people. Now you can hear every story from from the start weekdays seven to three. Listen on your schedule just say Alexa. Play morning edition part. Two Gospel of chaos after Iran fell out with the US in Afghanistan the caught a break take a strange opportunity presented itself when the Taliban government collapsed many members of okay fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Iran. They were quickly arrested and interrogated by Iranian intelligence. And at that time there was debate within Iran about whether these Sunni jihadists were threat to Shiite Iran or whether they were an asset you know there were bin Laden and family members. There was a guy who later went on to become the leader of al Qaeda and Iraq. And I think some Suli money was unique that was kind of his sinister genius. Thinking you know what we can potentially use these folks and the money assigned to Revolutionary Guard commanders to essentially tend to their needs. There were given televisions or giving money money to build a library. Their families were taken out on shopping. Outings one of the most notorious al-Qaeda explosives experts experts. The Guy was still alive. He's still on the run safe L.. He had access to this very posh. Jim In north Tehran in a neighborhood called Ella here where he used to swim. Laps alongside foreign diplomats. And you know the children of some bin Laden Jordan affectionately called US some Cellini Haji Qasim these to break bread together in my friends. AMAC was tortured in prison. He was in solitary confinement. And it really angers me to think think that hardened jihadists kaieda members were treated as guests and Iran and Real Patriots is to love. Their country are treated like criminals and put into solitary confinement and exiled and I think that history. It's not going to reflect well on US money when his biography written literature now the money had these guida fighters on his side. He had to figure out exactly how to use them the way they figure out to do that. Initially name is by taking these al-Qaeda jihadists and simply unleash them into rock with understanding. That you guys go do what you do go. After the United States car bombings suicide bombings. And just a few months into the war August of two thousand three Jordanian cater leader hits sets off these three major bombs which essentially Salihi destroys the American experiment in Iraq. And its infancy one bomb. Hit the Jordanian embassy another hit the United Nations which reduced their peacekeeping presence there and lastly the cowie conduct. This car are bombing against the major Shiite shrine. Imam Ali Mosque. Imagine this was unheard. What about the time that someone would go set off a car bombing at a mosque during Friday prayers this this totally radicalized the Shiite community in Iraq and it essentially pushed them into the arms of of Iran in the bustling money? WHO said to the Shiites of Iraq? We can protect you. There are some slight parallels here with the way the United States fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan in the nineteen in eighty s because the United States also supported these mohideen essentially the jihadists of their day to go fight. The Soviet invasion Asian of Ghanistan obviously not realizing that those folks would be the antecedents of al Qaeda different conflict same strategy addity and you never understand until years later what is going to be the residual impact of these choices so they money didn't just use Sunni extremists to cause chaos in Iraq he also used Iran's money and influence to organize militias among his fellow Shiites in southern rock it managed to use the Iraqi Shia militias who should be thankful to the United States military because the US had had overthrown Saddam's regime but this republic managed to mobilize against the United States. It served the interests of the slump republic to maintain Iraq in a state of controlled chaos and anarchy showed that the United States could not declare itself diviner of developments in in in in Iraq. How does Ali or anyone else know this well? One Iraqi Shia fighter while being interrogated by American American military intelligence explained exactly how he worked with Iran he would go to Tehran. He would receive bags of money. Approximately seven hundred thousand dollars others to up to a one million to form a group of fighters in Iraq Al Goods Force funded equipped and even trained Iraqi Shia militias on how to ambush an attack vulnerable American forces. What are their most effective? Tactics was teaching sheer fighters. How to use I? E D's improvised explosive devices which proved to be very effective in Getting through metal tanks and maiming and killing injuring. US troops at the very minimum. Six hundred. American servicemen ED killed. You know in in those years to US officials hold Suleimani directly responsible. For for conceiving of that and that's why you have have you know one if not two generations of American military forces whom if you were to ask them who is your worst adversary. Sorry in the world the person you see as the greatest threat to the United States and even when Osama bin Laden was living and Baghdadi was living there would have still all set awesome Cellini Mr Sunni money believed that by imposing heavy losses on the United States military in Iraq that it was possible to target the psychology of the American society. Every single time and American is coming home in a body bag it would have an impact unwillingness and support of the American public to preserve a sizeable United States military presence in Iraq and in some ways it worked American public support for the the war in Iraq waned as the conflict became more costly in lives and money slowly. The American presence in Iraq began to shrink by twenty eleven. The number of American aircon soldiers there was a fraction of what it was just five or six years earlier emboldened by by their success and fearing the downfall of allies in the Middle East the Revolutionary Guard with Qassem Suleimani leading the way began to make moves beyond the era Hi this is Bob Rogers from never you could tell Mexico. And you're listening to Relax O.. N. P. R. where the past is omnipresent support for. NPR comes from Newman's own foundation. Working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world a better place. More information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org part three a string of pearls. At least twenty protesters have been killed during marches in several Syrian cities. Estimated that up to a million people have taken to the streets to challenge President Bashar. Al Assad's rule protesters demanded the ended the regime ripping ripping down a statue of the president's father racing to see the reaction of heavily armed government security forces the answer came quickly and end violently here. They are members of the elite elite Revolutionary Guards on the frontlines of serious civil the Islamic Republic perceives chiefs Syria as a bridgehead connecting western Afghanistan to Iran Iraq to Lebanon Mr Baths and Johnny the the former president. He referred to this as a string of paramus if one of them collapses it's going to cause very serious trouble for the rest of the system and the statistics thinking of Mr Apps and Johnny was shared by the leadership solution at God and Bashar al-Assad had to be defended at all cost doc doc. But because they'd locked Paschall asset be criticized him as a matter of fact but they believe that collapse of the biology an emergence of a different type of regime it would be bad for Iran so the Islamic Republic began systematically to send I what's force officers then deployed Lebanese Hezbollah who did so rather unwillingly because as Lahser Salon debts is to protect Arabs against Israel. But here they are going to kill fellow Arabs in Syria super very embarrassing for his ball but they also felt that they had no choice. Camden Jan Gin. Jeb Massamba game Fire Lettuce Shula. Don Adams snatching choosing denigrated maximum. Could you hear on his job. He is non Oracle for Iranian. I'll good soldiers serving as an advisor is urging the Syrian military talking about the opposition to Bouchard. I said he says that. It isn't a war between the Syrian people and their government. It's a war between good and evil between cheers from Lebanon Afghanistan Iran Iraq against Israel. Saudi Arabia Turkey. Give him but you don't have some Medina and land or would you deny you know mother Jay who is related given that the sun is Jeff Kit towards year Qatada who this man was likely reporting to us from Sulejmani who was tasked with coordinating aiding and organizing the Defense of Charlotte says regime. He did this at a time. When Assad's military was using chemical weapons against its own citizens and bombing rebellious towns indiscriminately killing combatants and civilians alike? Despite all of this extreme violence Syrian rebels bulls and citizens were still gaining ground. And things were not looking good for solo money's militant and after a few years they were suffering so many losses that the slump republic had had to deploy other Shia militia groups groups in Syria for example she Afghans from the fought immune division different Iraqi militias. who were already busy fighting fighting the civil war in Iraq some of them but also sent to fight in the civil war in Syria and at some point of course they ever so desperate that match Jerusalem only had to travel to Moscow and ask Vladimir Putin for military support because they needed air support and after that things began to go very well for the got the Revolutionary Guard commanders? They genuinely believe that Syria area was a sensational success story. They want against all odds capital while. Damascus remains a target for armed groups in the region. Local residents are without doubt Bashar. Al Assad has won the will. We won the war. No one can argue with that and as long as all presidents is in power everything will be financed area. The war in Syria not only provided the Russian gone beaten and opportunity to achieve military success on the ground but unfortunately also gave them the opportunity to compromise themselves. Ethically and morally the summation says find massive evidence pointing to the Syrian government's involvement in war crimes and crimes against humanity Syrian activists of accused the forces. She's a President Bashar. Al Assad of killing hundreds of people in a nerve gas attack the accusation goes to the highest levels and implicates the President Berkshire. I'll acids the are accomplices off Bashar Al Assad regime use of chemical weapons against the Syrian that accomplices of the Syrian regime using famine against his own population as a means of controlling in two thousand fourteen after years of fighting in Syria and Iraq. Ghassem soy money and the goods force all of a sudden had a new problem isis. And there's a logical question here if Iran had been able to work without guide. Then why couldn't they just support Isis. Well I'll Guida was was a little different than Isis. Al Qaeda was not out gratuitously beheading Shiites the way that Isis was doing For the Iranian regime Isis was just beyond the Pale Islamic republic and Russia Guard Corps perceived. This as is is serious threat. which could take away all their games from them? Isis posed a real threat to Iran Shiite allies in Iraq. Some some points. Islamic state was was threatening backed up at the same time. I would argue that both Iran and the Assad regime in Syria and actually utilize these Sunni jihadist presence of such an inhumane enemy universally condemned named as a terrorist organization. It was not such a bad thing from the Iranian side because the Slavic Republic which had hitherto difficulties explaining and legitimizing its military actions in Iraq and Syria suddenly had a legitimate cause to engage in the fight against terraced on those occasions. Just at it did before you know in two thousand and one in Afghanistan. The United States and Islamic Republic cooperated with each other in the United States Air Force was providing. Air Cover to the courts for is operatives and Mr Money personally so that he could cleanse the city of to create of the soon radical elements and Islamic state at that time in two thousand fourteen and fifteen the what's force and Mr Sulejmani. The money both of them were on the list of designated terrorists of the United States government. So you see strange bedfellows pillows in a time of war. And this is the moment when Ghassem sewn they many became internationally known. The Revolutionary Guard new his appeal his face was put on posters camera crews followed him as he visited soldiers in Syria. Syria music was made about him and all the way up to his death a few weeks ago he was successfully marketed. As kind of this Shiite check of our efforts in this is footage of Qasim suing money. Speaking to Al Quds Force in Syria is actually pretty good. The job in the Sui and this is a song in Arabic made to honor him. uh-huh the late Major General Salim. Money was a man with at least two faces one face that is the face. Serve a young man who left his little village to go to the front to defend Iran against invading Iraqi army in nineteen eighty that very same individual of course also had another face. That face is the face of a general who cynically attacked and killed American servicemen in Iraq since two thousand and three and also most unfortunately engaged or was complicit in war crimes in Iraq and also in Syria mm-hmm these two faces that showed the complexity of the individual. I respect I won the war or hero but of course I condemn the other face. which is that off workroom? I think I have a somewhat different perspective respective here than many analysts of Iranian origin. Because not only did I live in Iran but I also lived in Beirut and I would travel every couple of weeks to Damascus cus for your and so when I see the destruction of Syria. These numbers are not just a statistic for me that thirteen million mm people displaced in a six hundred thousand people killed. I see awesome. So the money is being directly complicit and that horrific violence violence. This is frankly. My problem with a lot of Iranians are comment on this because I feel like they totally lack Carr's self awareness about the only view in this Iranian context. And they don't give a shit about the role. He played elsewhere in the region. I tell people. How would you feel as Iranian audion to watch millions of Iraqis morning Saddam Hussein Lotta people commented about money was that he was soft spoken. He he wasn't someone who was like this fire-breathing radical and I'm always reminded of this Persian saying about the clerics. Cleric's that if you look at the hands of the Mola of the clerics dust or you can email each cardiac cut Jedinak Amish. Their hands is are always like perfectly manicured if they haven't done any manual labor in their life or even known war the talk tough game but they've never served in conflict conflict now. Let's think that's probably one reason. Why with soft spoken? He didn't need to breathe rhetorical fire because everyone knew he got his elbows. 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Myths and legends. Episode. One, eighty eight forever home. This is a podcast until stories from analogy and folklore, some are incredibly popular stories. You think you know, but with spicy origins, others are stories that might be new to you, but are definitely worth listen. We're back in the literary fairy tales of Giambattista Basile. One of the originals terms of folklore writing from the Kingdom of Naples in the seventeenth century. It's thought that he took oral tales his magic on them, and then wrote them down to tell it court so basically this podcast in the seventeenth century among many famous tales, he told that horrifying off the wall, original version of sleeping beauty that we told not terribly long ago today we're going to jump in with two stories both involving pets. The first is about a beggar in his chicken. Rooster and how even though he's starving. Just can't bring himself to the you know. Minakov. looked down at his rooster. His Rooster. Well no wonder that hen was so cheap he had spent his last coin on a miniature head, and raised it on the bread crumbs he found in the street and the garbage, and barring that you would take a walk in the country and let it eat whatever seeds it could find us excited because semi-regular eggs were much better than the nothing he currently had. Additionally. Maybe he could find rooster and get some more chickens. This was the start of something good. Monaco found is rooster. because his hand was as rooster. He knew it was too good to be true. His farming endeavor like all of his other endeavors at failed now he was a sixty something man with a tangled beard, stinking gray hair down to the small of his back, and exactly four and a half teeth in his mouth. Things were not going great. His rooster was full. The creature was as big as a miniature rooster could get, but by virtue of it being raised on scraps, and not many scraps at that it wasn't particularly big or fat. Even that meal. He could get from the Rooster Poultry One Still, as he sat next was boiling pot suspended over a few burning in his alleyway. He gritted his teeth. All Right? Just pick it up. Grab its neck, twist take. The creature had raised from a chick. Pluck out the Fed at you know what he couldn't do this. He took the water off the fire and covered the coals to sniff out the flame Monaco scooped up the rooster and headed to the market. More. Hey. What's up? The vendor said looking at echo in his rooster. This was the last stall on the last street. No one had been interested in minute goes likely tough and stringy mini rooster. That's what led him to the. Neck Romance Irs Minute go asked. You guys run a neck romance. He Stole Lake. Do you bring people back from the dead? The neck romance is looked at each other and nodded. Yeah, I mean no. This is the late Middle Ages and in some cultures, any person who practices magic in any capacity is called an answer. You should read it as like sorcerers resources. How can we help you? Monaco shrugged. He didn't really care what they did. He held up his rooster. He said he had a rooster for sale. Now this was yes. The two men said in unison and immediately Minett goes stop, talking. Seriously just like that. The two men looked each other. Yes, how much did the old man went fourth quarter coin half aucoin Monaco jumped at half a coin that was ten times would he had hoped for from selling of virtually useless rooster? It was half his initial investment, but that's the type of risk. You took when you played the flock market. The neck romance is looked at the till. They didn't really have any amounts of money that small with them. Dominica mind following them back to their apartment that they could get half a coin. Maneka glanced over the counter. Or they could just give him a full coined. The neck romance is closed there till negotiation wasn't really monacco strong suit. Let's go so the trio charged through the streets of black grotto, the city, just in front of Monaco. The to romances grinned this was. It as we all know, select roosters have a stone in their head or their heart, according to pliny the elder, when the stone is taken out in set in a ring. That ring will give you anything you wish for the neck. Romances works admitted. They talked back and forth to one another about how they were going to give poverty a kick in the face. Smooth out there. Stockings move out of their dingy apartment this Monaco. He didn't even realize what he had here, but it was the neck romance. Who didn't realize how loud they were talking. MONACCO heard the entire conversation about how they were going to use the stone to get everything they could wish for. He clutched his rooster and bolted down an alleyway. The neck romance is worth their shared studio apartment before they realized Monacco was gone back in his alleyway, Monaco looked down at the rooster the yeah. Sorry Bud ringing the animal's neck in digging stone out of its brain or heart was much easier when getting everything you could ever wish for was on the table, using a sharp piece of broken pottery Monaco extracted the student from the Roosters, brain or heart, he dug through his pack, his meager possessions, and founded cheap brass ring that he picked off the street one day when he was out feeding the rooster, he still had friends in town. He had lived in black grotto his whole life, so we went to a nearby jeweler who was having a slow afternoon. You know what sure he would set a slimy stone and a brass spring from an echo on credit credit. He knew Monacco wasn't good. Good for, but whatever like you said it was a slow day less than an hour later monacco was back in his alleyway. He slipped on the ring and made his. I wish he wanted to be an eighteen year old boy again. Instantly his legs were stronger. The wrinkles on his face disappeared, his hair was black again and his mouth, which the story colorfully described as a ransacked farmhouse filled with teeth, his beard was thick and clean. He was eighteen again. He looked at his alleyway and stood. He walked. You walked for the rest of the day camping by the side of the road and producing the dinner from the ring the next day he sat in front of a desolate plot of land. And held up the ring. Well here goes nothing. Prince Monacco Twenty, eight, sixty eight year old was doing all right almost a decade ago, he wished he had a magnificent palace, and then he was the relative of a king seconds later, the mansion appeared on a plot of land days later, an envoy from the king appeared at his door one tour where they sell his paintings. His dazzling statues has bedazzle everything. They invited him to the palace. It wasn't long before he was engaged to the princess. He and Anatolia were happy and less than a year later they will come their first daughter into the world. Even though MONACCO was the prince next in line for the throne, he never forgot who he was where he came from, he only had as many servants as needed man. He still liked going into black grotto to go shopping. That was where everything went wrong. They wouldn't have suspected. It was monacco early on, and they didn't. It was just some rich kids spreading his wealth around. It took me an echo aging ten years until he started to look like someone. The Neck Romance in the market knew from a long time ago one time while the prince was walking through he met is with the NCR answers. The gays lingered for a moment longer than normal. then. They noticed something. Why did the opulent prince where such a cheap brass ring with some unknown stone set in it? The neck romance looked at each other. This was him. This was the guy he was living their life, the one that had been in their grasp that day at the market. was their life. And they were going to get it back. Like dolls, the two men said from outside defense three months of scouting, and they learn the schedule of Monaco's young daughter, the girl of seven played in the yard while the few servants in the house went about their day, she saw the two strangers at the fence and walked over. She smiled. She loved it. She reached out, but the men pulled back. It wasn't free. She nodded. She could go back and get however much money. The men wanted her dad was generous. Again they shook their heads. NOPE, this couldn't be bought with money. They want something small. Something that her dad wouldn't even miss the girl. No the Ring Her dad always wore. The girl thought about it and nodded can tell the daughter was hesitant, but the neck romance was held up a hand. This wasn't stealing. Her Daddy always bought her dolls right. She nodded while this was easy. Just come back with ring. and. It was like he was buying her a doll. Just? It was a surprise to him besides this was a beautiful, and it was just a cheap brass ring. The Dad would be thrilled about the deal then next morning. She screamed. She cried Monaco, said that he had a meeting with the king today. He WanNa leave her like this. What was going on? Pantelleria in full meltdown, looked at his finger pointed. macos step back his ring. Until a stop crying and nodded, monacco looked to the princess who shrugged. It was just a cheap brass ring with A. Weird misshapen stone in letter play with it. She would make sure pantelic didn't lose it. MONACCO grimaced okay. He was late didn't have time to argue this shirt. Just please don't let her lose it. He slipped off the ring and put it on the table. Patella wiped her eyes and smiled. She thanked her dad who looked at the ring about sixteen more times before rushing out the door and into a waiting carriage. You You got the ring. The two strangers at the fence asked later on that day. It took mental all morning. Sneak away from her mother, but now she was here. With the ring she nodded. Did they have the dull. Both men grinned. Yep, right behind their collective backs ring I. The seven year old rushed up to the fence and pass them in the ring. They snatched it from her hand showed her. They're empty ones. And told her do. Don't trust. Nick. Roman answers that bit of advice was her payment for the ring. They took off. The neck romance stopped just inside the forest and look down at the rooster stone in the ring. Now minute go hadn't used the ringing years. He used it three times to make himself eighteen again. Give himself fabulous wealth and Mary a princess, but he wasn't a greedy man. Still. I guess knowing the ring was there was enough to help him face the future with confidence. Well, it wasn't there. Not Anymore and Medico thought about that. As he met with the king, his father-in-law, he felt weirdly naked. And he get back as soon as he returned home. The neck romance weren't content to let a man like Monaco. Live in peace. Maybe it was revenge for keeping the stone that had been his in the first place. Maybe it was self preservation. Can't have the son of the king coming after you. Better to make sure he wasn't the son of the king anymore. As Monaco sat across from the king. He noticed the man's face more from concern. To terror. Mika, was about to ask what was wrong, but his mouth was full. Of Teeth. But not in the normal good way. He spat them out on the floor in his long, stinking gray hair fluttered down into his eyes. He rose not as quickly as he had in the past decade. He rushed to the Mir. And felt his now sagging face, he looked at the lines. The wrinkles look down to his clothes. Torn rags still had rooster on them. Turn back to his father now if he just watched your twenty something year old son-in-law turn into an old man. You could see if he needs help. Ask Him. What's going on demand an explanation sure or you could just skip all that have your men drag him to the street and beat him with a stick before telling him not to come back, his house was still there, and his daughter was weeping in the dirt. Women Echo limped up. She shrieked, but was calmed when she heard his voice. She was crying. She said she was so sorry. She had been tricked. The bad men had taken his ring. His face dropped. Then, it wasn't the magic wearing offer something. It was the next answers. They had tricked his daughter and stolen his ring. He looked up at his house. His wife was now forty years younger than him in yeah, she had always been forty years younger than him, but she had known about that, so that was. Better, he decided that she couldn't see him like this. He told his daughter to tell no one he would return, but only when he found his ring and set everything right, the girl her mom calling and turned round. When she turned back. The strange man was gone. Her father was gone. MOCO walked. You walked old boots and a cloak with a knapsack, all stolen from his own servants quarters. He made a club for himself. He couldn't pay for passage on a ship, but he couldn't imagine the men needing to leave the country. No one knew about them, but a saddled vagabond. They were free. So he walked. He can't off the road. He didn't need any more trouble than he already had. And if he found the net granddaughters, he'd get his bring back. If. He didn't well. His wife and daughter would forever remember him as he wanted to be remembered. Camping one night, he snapped awake. The fire had burned low, but he saw shadows moving among the trees. There were voices two. He reached risk club or tried to. His hands were bound. He heard in hushed whispers. He's awake do it now. Just then a burlap sack slid pretty slowly over. Monaco said he felt himself being lifted from the ground. It was a few hours later when he came to rest on a cold stone floor. Do you know where you are? A voice boomed. Monaco shook his head. No. No, he didn't know where he was. Wasn't that the point of the bag though? Hit him again. The voice commanded. Monaco I tap on his head and brace himself for the strike. Was that the hit? Monaco asked, but the voice interrupted. They will be asking the questions here and yes, there will be much more where that came from unless the man talked. Who did he worked for? MONACCO shrugged he had been self employed kind of idle rich I guess if he had to say something currently, he was inbetween magical fortunes. Enough him again. Monaco felton other tapped gently wrapped on his burlap. What brought you to the city of Dr Kohl? Who Do you work for the snakes, the cats? Manigault said he had absolutely no idea what was going on. Could they remove the hood so wait? TINY TAPS SNAKES CATS Were they mice. The burlap sack came off again slowly because it took a team of mice working in conjunction like people trying to cover and uncover a baseball diamond for a rain delay. Mimika looked around the room. He was in the cramped hallway of a mouse dungeon. Locked doors. He couldn't hope to fit in more all around him. What was this a prison for mice? He was going to be forced to stay here. It should be at least three times bigger monacco yelled. The lead mouse interrogators stepped forward. He was their prisoner their captive. They made the demands and his forced early two thousands pop culture references wooden. Get Him too far here. Ross Coney, the lead mouse gesture to an underlying. They need to accelerate this. You bite him vitamin till he talks. The mouse looked at minute. Goes Skin boss. He looked. Really. Dirty like I know where mice, but I might legitimately get sick here. The lead mouse turned back to MONACCO. Yeah. Why are you so dirty? So monacco told him. He told them all about his hard life up. Until the rooster stone about finding it, and all of his dreams coming true, and then about finding love and happiness, before having all of that ripped away by too selfish neck answers when he was done. There wasn't a dry mouth. I in the dungeon, despite the fact that mice can't really cry the next thing go new. The mice were chewing through the ropes behind his hands. then. A mouse screed over and whispered in Roscoe Nazir number the king mouse. and. The information was good. The Messenger Mouse nodded bowed and left the KING MOUSE TURN BACK TO MONACO. He should take a seat. MONICO who was basically poured into the hallway, tried to gesture to the fact that he was completely stuck in the hallway, and after an awkward half hour of shimmying backwards the mouse dungeon in refusing polite, but mouse infested trash food, the mouse king inform the man of the intelligence that just came to his attention. They had been found two of the mouse soldiers. Dolo in Sartorial. Just returned from posting at a high end hotel, called the end of the Horn, a favorite hotel of cuckold. Monaco. Carcass head okay that he doesn't know why. That's relevant but continue. The mouse king did he said that one night two men from the hooked castle came through, and as they got to the bottom of their wine jugs. They started bragging about how they had just taken a magic ring from some old men in black grotto. He would never take it off, so he wouldn't lose like the old man did when he gave it to his daughter. Now the mice might have tried to steal it for themselves, but the ring didn't look like anything special, and you shouldn't place much stock in the bragging of strangers in hotel bars especially when they're drinking wine by the JUG. They filed the report anyway. Forgot about it until they heard the exact same story just now. Monaco stood. This was them. This was his first real lead in well forever. Then, he paused. He didn't nowhere hooked castle was. And even if he made it, he would never be able to get in without them knowing. He needed the help of the mice. The king mouse shook his shaggy, smelly little mouse said it was too dangerous. They will be too exposed. He would never sent his mice into that much danger period end of conversation, what if I give you like a wheel of cheese and a few pounds of meat once they get the ring back, meko proposed. We'll do it. The mouse king extended a Paul. The monacco shook it in an adorable little handshake. 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The mice waited until his breathing regulated again scree to his hand, and again bit down, it took three tries until half asleep. Enron felt his hand for something that had been causing the pain. He found the ring. And slipped it off. One mouse dragged the ring from the bedside table while the other cover their escape. slipped past the multi-headed dogs, and the lava pits before taking the ring out Monacco, waiting in the dark forest, that of course rounded. They're evil, wizard, neck, romance or castle. Monaco slipped the ring on mumbled few words an instantly. His hair was black. His legs were strong in his teeth. existed. He turned to the mice as promised. He made another wish. And they were suddenly standing atop a whole stack of cheese, wheels and meet. And, how are we supposed to get this home? The mice ast MONACCO smirked. Just wait! The castle in the distant started drifting away. Like dust on the wind. Revealing to confused and terrified donkeys. After Monaco used the ring to bring the donkeys to himself. Pile the cheese and meat on one. The mice looked at each other. And then to Monacco, wait. Were these the neck romance. You out neck romance them. MONACCO shook his head. That's not a word. You out neck road the masters. MONACCO said that one was even farther. Let's go. The mice of dark hole were grateful for the gift. MONACCO led the two donkeys back home, or he explained to his father in law the king. That dangerous neck romance had transformed into an old man, not really mentioned that that was actually his true age inform. He told US happy wife and terrified daughter that he had been in a business trip. He got some donkey's now if they would excuse him. He needs to drive these donkeys off a cliff, and that's the end of our story. Everyone lived happily ever after. Except donkeys, our next story is about a king who has a pet, a giant bloodsucker. Who's really just the world's most repulsive good boy? WHO's my baby? You're my baby. The king said as he stroked his bet. Oh, you want some blood, yeah! My Daddy's big boy needs blood. Dad, who are you talking to in their? The king heard with a knock at the door. No one he turned with pet and whispered hide the flea. The size of a house cat scrambled underneath the king's bed. Who are you talking to? The daughter demanded the king answered his door. Who are you talking to? The king, said cockiness head. Got Her. I'm talking to you seriously though. The king step back from the door seriously though he needed to get back to work king stuff. He slammed the door on her face. He dropped. His belly hasn't heard her shoes clicking on the stones outside. Good. She was gone. Now where were they? It had been three months. Three months since the king lying in bed still have made from the night before snagged flea beneath this fingernails. Fleas then affected every level of society. John John has a poem retried to commence a woman to be with him because a nearby flea habit both of them and their. Fluids, their blood had already mingled in if the mingling and the fleas innocent enough well, you know anyway our flea bit the king, and now faced its own death on the Guillotine of the king's thumbnail, but the king looked at the poor struggling insect. He side. He reached to his bedside table finished what was left of the crap of wine and dropped the flea in. He now had a pet. He was surprised by how much he thought about the Little Guy, he would purchase finger a bit and drop his blood into the craft daily in the flea with this steady diet of royal blood was driving. King got the flea out of the crap before it grew too big to squeeze the opening. And as the mouse is creature screen around the floor. The king smiled for the first time since he lost his queen. He didn't need a cage. The flea was happy to stick around for free daily blood, and the king started thinking ahead, so he didn't pass out draining more than he needed each day and saving it for a pet. For the first time in a while, he was excited to wake up in the morning. He slept with creature, curled his feet, and it grew on his blood until it was the size of a lamb. We don't know how it happened. But I like to think that the king woke up one morning. His door still barred and found his pet still at his feet. Maybe it was because the fleas purpose was complete, hoping the king deal with the death of his wife. Move Forward. Maybe it's because fleas aren't supposed to be the size of lambs. Who knows either way? The flea was dead. The king stroke the skin of his friend. The flea weeping tears, not a tragedy, but of joy for the short time they had together. Then, he paused. Own. Dad Why. Why are you covered in blood? The princess has the king has rush pastor. He said he was rushing to the tanner. Don't worry. All this was his blood. He would explain later. And later. He kind of explained it. The princess found out with the rest of the court that she was getting married. And that weird blood covered skin had a big role to play the king gesture to the skin out on the rack for all to see usually princesses were given away marriage to secure money or political alliances, or because she loves the man she's to marry. The princess asked. The court laughed. The king here had a fun contest one that would define the rest of his daughter's life, whoever rich poor commoner noble criminal merchant explore anyone who ever guessed what type of skin this was on display got to marry his daughter. No questions asked just got to marry her and leave the same day. The people were excited. And they shouted out things like big monster cat crocodile links. But King stood there shaking his head. No, no, no a week passed then to. The King smugly self assured that no one will be able to guess sat back with a smirk every day. then. He arrived. A man or something like a man lurched into the hall, the people who didn't flee were frozen in place, an ogre with a club slung over his shoulder duct as he went through the final doorway. He was so terrifying that one translation I found said that he invoked tremors, and yes instant diarrhea those who saw him the king smirk was now forced on. What could he do to help this fine horrifying gentlemen? The ochre didn't answer. He just approached the stretched out skin smelled it. And turned to the king. Flee. The King Chuckled A. Say. Flee, the ogre was more insistent now. The king was suddenly more aware of the giants club. This high belongs to the King of the fleas. The king swallowed hard. Ono. Hey so we all agree that God is in control and that like not a leaf falls without the will of the heavens right. The king said DEPOSI ELLA HIS DAUGHTER Yeah. The princess replied. This was the Middle Ages, and they were all very religious, so she felt like she had to say that, but she asked her father. Please tell her if this had anything to do with the ogre holding a club in the throne room. The King Grimace said his daughter okay look. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. Then after a long pause. Oh, he turned to the ogre. All right. Take her away. Deogarh scoop at the Princess who was screaming threats at her father, but the king only shook his head. This complaining. Wasn't a good look for her. He was the king, and she had no right to question. Will all right bye congrats you to. A few hours later deep in the dark forest, poor yellow, arrived at her betrothed house, and it really just been a bachelor pad with his own tacky little decorations. Remains of humans hidden just left dangling on the wall. Kinda puts a new spin on the phrase man cave with the remains of actual men hanging on the walls. He told her to sit. He'll be back with a special meal for his Special Lady. Looking down at the half cooked human arm on her plate. porzingis gagged pushed it away. Okay, picky well in two days it will be the big day. And he was having all of his family over for some of them had dietary restrictions, so he was going out to round up some boers for them. She could eat that if his best day-old human wasn't good enough for her, she shuttered as he kissed her on the forehead and he said he was going out. Love you also don't run away because this is the dark forest on a hunt you down by honey. Pours. The Ella broke down sobbing and she didn't even know how much time passed before she heard a voice at the window she turned and saw an old woman traveller in the forest. Sorry to bug you, but you guys got food. She looked the wall and grimmest. Besides people. She was a traveller, the fairytale dark forest, and while she wasn't Judgy, she also was not interested Priscila told her about everything that happened with her dad and the Ogre and the woman listening from the windowsill asked if Portillo wanted out. For Zia asked if that was a serious question. Yes, she wanted out. The old woman looked left and right. All right Paul was in luck. She had seven sons, seven giant sons Mossy, Nardo Cola Meco patrol low as cardio and says Sony every time. Mossy puts his ear to the ground. He can hear what's happening up to thirty miles away whenever Nardo spits, he makes a sea of soap whenever Colin throws iron on the ground at covers it in sharpened razors. When Meco hurls a stick, a forest POPs up when patrol shakes a drop of water onto the ground. A river flows from it when a Scorpio Toss, a stone tower springs up from the ground. And when Sony shoots a crossbow, he can hit it chickens I from a mile away poesie Ella rose. Yes definitely, let's go. Let's go to your large adult sons now. The old woman told police she lived far away. She wouldn't be back before the OAK returned. She would come back tomorrow. Hold on for one more day. Honey I'm home. The Yoga yelled. He kissed pours El on the forehead They didn't have any pigs, but he was able to pick up some people. And then dismember them. Poor Zealand nearly threw up, but she was heartened by the news that because of his failure to get pork that day he will be heading out again tomorrow. I don't know what happened that night. The story doesn't say that anything happened, but it does say that pours yellow, woke up happy and excited. I kind of can't imagine that a human eating ogre who doesn't have any problem. Kidnapping women, and forcing her into marriage would then be a gentleman and wait for their nonconsensual marriage, but you know who knows regardless. He left the next day and not ten minutes later, a wagon rolled up with the old woman, their seven suns. They waved her on. Let's get Outta here. They didn't need Moss's ears to know that the ogre was onto them. They heard his footsteps and screams. He had forgotten something. Come back early. Nardo Cola Mossy L. to his two younger brothers Nardo Spit, assume soap and Cola Toseh- hunk of iron out which filled the road with razor blades. Apparently, they were moving so slowly. That, when the ogre sell the of soap and the razor blades, he had time to go all the way back home. Get some brandon suit of iron, the brand helping across the narrow sea somehow and the iron defended him against the spikes. Meka made a forest pop up. The ogre smashed through Petroleo made a rushing river appear. The Ogre got naked and swam across. A Nude Ogre sprinting after them gaining on them. The group realized that this was not going well. As Cardio threw a stone. Tower shot up from the ground in front of them. There were horses and the carriage to the door at the base of the tower, and got in just as the ogre was approaching slamming it, barring it from the inside, as they rushed to the top of the tower, they heard the ogre outside grunting as he climbed, they flung open the trap door at the top and. Just as they all emerged. The Ogre's face popped over the wall, but there was one more brother Su only took aim with the crossbow. Andy led a bolt fly. He could hit a chicken at a mile, so an ogre at ten feet was nothing. There was a reason why Sony waited. It was because even though he hit the Monster Square in the eye. The Crossbow Bolt didn't kill it. And neither did the fall when the ogre, just as shocked, felt the Arrow coming out of his head, and then realized that a very important part of climbing stonewall was holding on thankfully. Sony was as fast as he was accurate. And with the ogre still stunned on the ground. Sony use the ogre's hunting knife to cut his head off. It was over. Poor Ella was safe. Safe to return directly to her father. Who had put her in that situation in the first place, so I guess he could live through his dream of being a game show host. He gave the old woman in all her sons so much money and to his credit. He was apologetic, begging his daughter's forgiveness a thousand times. Vowing not to marry her to monster. She didn't love. The young woman smiled. And that her father finished unless you know. It was politically expedient. That is it for this week? If you WANNA learn more. I liked both the originals on the Episode Post on Myth PODCAST DOT COM. Next week. We're going start on the, nibbling glide. A GERMANIC epic. That's like if the saga of the VOL- songs was set in the High Middle Ages and also change the plot and the characters. It's really fun. People have been recommending it forever. And I can't wait to tell. The creature this week. Is the WOMP scat from north. America there are a few different versions of the weapons. Can't in some places? It's an amphibious cat in others. It's a cat dog hybrid. That's more just mean unless like the one from the old school nickelodeon show that made you wonder how it went to the bathroom. The most common version of the story is that of a Cherokee woman who wanted to learn something that was forbidden tour. Legend has it that she hit Andhra Mountain Lion Cloak and watch the forbidden magic or learn the forbidden knowledge. And breaking that rule. The skin of the Cougar fused with her own. And she would spend the rest of her life cursed live as a monster in the wild, smelling like the Combo of a wet dog and skunk. Another more heroic version of tale has the woman finding in fighting a demon spreading madness in their village. After her husband went mad, facing the creature. This one took place in what is now North Carolina and the woman turned the spirit of the mountain cat on the demon, by surprising it vanquishing it. Than returned to hero, and her spirit inhabited that of the WOMP scat. To protect our people from the demons that hide in the dark and lost places, there's yet a third version. A fearsome critter within extending right arm that Hunts Eagles spreads blister rust on trees. Who can start forest fires with their is can only be tracked by their footprints on solid rock. We'll steal prospectors pickaxes to brush their teeth, which given the declining number of pickaxe, willing prospectors since this book was written in Nineteen, ten somewhat you probably get this version of the WOMP. His cat, an actual toothbrush. That's for this week. Myths and legends by Jason Chris Wiser our theme song by the band broke for free and the creature. The week music is by Steve. Combs durling to more music in the show notes? Thank you so much for listening. And I'll see you next time.

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Breaking Down the Ring December 20th 2020

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Breaking Down the Ring December 20th 2020

"You're listening to the podcast detroit visit. Www dot past troy dot com before information. Ladies and gentlemen breaking on the ring is here. This wonderful sunday before christmas to give you the gift of our picks for wwe tables ladders and chairs pay-per-view happening tonight's see in tlc doesn't really stand for chairs. It stands for crap. This better be good. The team stands for this better. Be good the l. Stands for looks like another letdown. But we don't we don't know. Wwe bullshit out of the rast. You don't but we're going to give all that this week as we what are such. This is professional wrestler and gas. Coal boom boom cabana. My name is jill across style though machine. Brian cave this is ryan from pro wrestling. Tease said the listening to the art of wrestling. But you made a decent joints is. You're listening you're listening to you're listening and you're listening to listen to breaking down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the ring breaking down the ring dow. Oh it's true its dancer. Ladies and gentlemen you're listening you're watching your bidding attention to them most inappropriate pro wrestling show. You're listening to breaking down the ring way or you're reading room. The shepherd kohnic nineteen fifty one. Mikey himself of sirkin. We're going to get down to this. Mary we're gonna get into. Tlc like it's wwe trying to give a sex offender a contract extension and more money. I know rental. How does matter fact. Oh i made it. I made it a ride. That's so good. I'm so fucking good man. It's like oh you have to do to be a star. Www feature is make sure that a woman tried to sell you know or kid or wwe. That's it's on the application some. Wwe supporting moro people then now forever. There's enough with us hating. Wwe let's talk wwe pay per view Tlc tonight's grand total of six matches on this card everyone looking forward to the royal rumble This is just this whole baker use fodder. Here's the thing you look at every one of these matches and i'm totally giving away my picture here. Nothing's changed every One one i have one one title changing one. That's it and again. They're the losing team responded to build up and that's fine right because the one we're gonna get into her. We'll talk about it because that's really all we're doing today is making our tlc. Pick other than taking potshots at wwe. Because that's what we do role about the pot here on. Wwe pot in chace. So we do you have a problem with that. Funky two words for you. Potshots new t shirt idea. Ask shots and plots. Maybe how we live our lap. I am sharing the live. Real quick share via Not met share via. Who's via more options share. No why can't just fuck in shared. All because i'm under the breaking down the rings anyone who's listening to this. What's up. how you doing. Is this holiday. it is this. Just how do it this. This is exactly how we do. This is how we live our lives. We don't care right making making our p w score card picks four hashtag. Tlc bitch not. L. c. t. ls what what t- lsp adar's and and subterfuge early making sense. Why did i say that. Not all the words that start with an axe that's where you went with brench. Tables ladders submarines tables ladders in seared steaks and suck my dick nick. It's a it's a fun day man. it's a fun day rose ladders and sex. Whoa that's the attitude era sir did so i okay real quick. Did you see this little report saying that. The usa is clamoring for more adult content from wwe. Yep so what are your thoughts on I've seen the report a couple from a couple of different sources. And i feel like it's true but they're not necessarily looking for the sexual of it. They're looking for a little bit more of violent. Take on it okay. I'll be very honest when i saw that. My first thought was get the fuck outta here. thugging kyle commented tables ladders and stairs. We think of that. We went so far out of the box with that. And kyle's just like the most chill. I got this Here it is you fucking idiots. I didn't fall. What are you talking about mic drop. No all right cool. It's tweeted it's facebook. It's everything someone to watch if they feel like watching hi to everybody watching all of you. Beautiful fuck in people. Let's make some motherfucking ticks. All right so yes tonight. Keiazi go to pro wrestling. Scorecards dot com pro wrestling. Scorecards dot com. You you can do if prowrestler scorecards dot com. You can go to the digital as you can see nick you. That's what you get for. Having a she background no one can see stuff a digital. It's free while the fuck. It's free free free to pay nothing. Not a goddamn penny and you can get on there and you can make your picks for these matches. Okay then there's extra then you're a part of the Frazier part of the scorecard community. Right and then you can see how you stack up against everyone not just anyone not just yourself not just your friends. The entirety of the scorecard people and currently. Everyone's so excited to be playing. This there are ninety. Three people who have filled out their scorecards. I wanted to let me know. I just went to this page and i clicked it and it was ninety just thirty seconds ago legit. I refreshed it. And it's ninety three so they're going up. Man took one. Every ten seconds is spilling out of scorecard for tlc. You can see how you stack up but really it's more about how we stack up against pro wrestling scorecards. Tonight's tlc is the finale for beady offers pws four. You're looking at your top two scores for the entire competition right here. Good oko nick. Nineteen me deal. Mikey one what we do what we do. You just put the team on our backs and carry it. You could see the power you reason. Use the power him. When does the you can't see me is because you can see him through hand so it's like you can't see me that's how i got there. Yeah just take take take a bit off so we're going to have some fun. We're gonna talk about these. Tlc picks that's all we're doing today. Folks look at sunday. Is the sunday for christmas. You got gifts the rep. We got gifts to wrap. You got families. Should we got family ship. But we can't come to you on a weekend pay per view and not make these texts so here we go kick it off. I'm gonna start. Knicks gonna finish because look. I don't know if you know this or not champion right now. That's for right now because the first paper view in this december the nfc wargames. Nick came in staggering fourth place in bdr. I don't know came in fifth on. I'm not sure who the fifth person was in our group. I want out of five. I just note nicolas four. I don't know who five no fucking clue who five was not. I'm pretty sure it was annoying though. No sony me courses me not boasting if i wanted to. Of course some number five a month home to that they saw lockdown would fucking nerd. Who knows that you know. It's but yes so the breaking down the ring the scores stack up of. Nfc workings was the first one for december and z is at fifty eight points while it was at forty eight. Smooths at forty five. Mix it thirty six me motherfucker. Twenty six will serve to call the comeback been here for years years and making the tears rain down like a monsoon listen to the baseball go explosion at firefly inferno all right. That's the first match on. Tlc picks nice dugway. Thanks man you know. What i do is what i do. I almost said on. Tlc tip though We're old school hip hop today folks. That's what it is. That's how it goes. Kyle does have to come back on soon with us. I fully agree common. You come on right now if you wanna make picks bro. I got no problem with us to we can do this. We can make an hour long show. We can talk a little. Ww tlc. do you want to combat. You wanna come in broach. Message me. i'll shoot you to link base with knockouts and three counts joining the pdr fan for the day real quick. Because it's just nick. And i and i would like to make this at least an hour long show rather than from knockout three is back on. Tnt for the first time twenty. Just that's how it goes. Yeah so it would go. The firefly infernal is weird. First off the first time we've had any type of inferno mentioned. Wwe in years second off. I do appreciate the playing of this into wwe Storyline with this right. Like does it seem force in quick for randy versus the fiend fish. I'll give you that. I'll give you ish partially like could have been built up for a better pay per view on. Tlc right 'cause this is a big match but at least with how they're doing to doing it so well to where does play into the past because of the inferno that ray or did sister abigail fucking set it ablaze right so it makes sense to play into this nick. How are you feeling with a kind of quick maybe slightly early jump on this but understandably so match for the built for this match a little early but not that mad about it. I mean honestly. I've found out that it wasn't vernal match two days ago You know so that was kind of like that took me like but but like you said it does make sense based on their history I would have liked to have seen a little bit more of a buildup it is. Wwe so you know. Like i said not that mad about it. I am kind of intrigued to see how they pull this off. I agree it. Seems like it's a little fast but understandably so right you got you kinda. Have the filler pay per views. And normally they are reserved for match building ability. Right but the problem and you get into these philippine reviews and you're setting stuff up unless edge can't do wrestlemainia for the title. Which would be beautiful but again. Maybe vince is pushing it off. Ed signed a three year contract right. He's already talking about these already. Talk that he's pushed off roman versus the rocket this wrestlemainia because they are fans and they deserve a much larger audience which is why they were really excited for it to be in california by. It's like when like nothing's happening in california in the foreseeable future. So maybe they move mania from california somewhere else maybe thunderdome who knows highly doubt that though. And then you get mania in california wrestlemainia thirty eight and thirty eight see rock and roll man edge north. He might get the two main events that they really wanted. Who knows so. Let's go ahead and make our picks here I have bray wyatt. Going over randy orton. I feel like it's the smart thing. Do always but w w usually does the dumb things you not like trying to get a contract sanction to sex offenders. One finisher always take a shot at them. One finisher i think the match is going to be fifteen minutes Alexa bliss appears fuck. Ya wrestler lit on fire inferno match right. I understand the wwe doing things differently. But i feel like you have the the finish up any inferno matches always been someone went on so yes to wrestler lit on fire. Nicholas bray wide also going over. I have four finishers. Twelve minute match time yes to a blitz appearance and yes so why do you think four finishers I can see the mandible claw. I can see sister abigail in there and i can see it randy orton. Hitting at least two are cao's To take out the fien because the fien is just this alternate power similar to the undertaker where it takes you know. More than one to knock him out. So i'm going to go a little high with with four see. I went one because my thought process is similar. It was going to be similar to when john cena was in it. I don't know if it's gonna be weird like that. Like is all flip into a fun house and stuff. He's gotta keep up with him. But my thought processes feeds catches surprise. Moment boom hit Sister abigail and then get the pin on on one. Which is why i went one but again yours. Also make sense to different logics. They're both really good. I don't wanna knock too much or go too deep into this. Because it's it's fucking firefly match any firefight matches just ridiculous off the top crazy stuff which is fine right. I'm not knocking messages. Don't put too much fucking thought in it folks. It's a firefight match. Don't put too much. You know what had i known i had. I known that this is going to be an inferno match for longer than two days. I would have suggested that they add Which body part catches on fire as a extra so that would have been good. That would have been a good extra. I will say that. I think they announced it on social media that it was going to be an inferno match and then it showed up on. Wbz posted on smackdown. Walter your audio is not connected yet. What was that there was vibration. We got good vibrations. Beautiful british really. I i was mark. And you went beach boys. Gotcha shouldn't yeah can't see your face better. I'm to do not disturb. Apparently to the best man. But i didn't man the kids play with my phone stupid children. That's why we have mine every now and then sorry always here right they just go with your mom somewhere. We either again. everything's closed. We just made our picks the firefly inferno match. Why we're just starting. We're telling the world that that's all we're doing right now is making our picks so what are your picks for the firefly inferno match and how are you feeling about the build up for it. Yeah so so. Get be completely oddest. Like i'm behind by like three weeks on everything okay. So i started bench watching. I'm actually watching. Like i have raw on right now as we're doing this okay tag just to get caught up but I picked bray wyatt to win. I mean so far from what. I've seen from ross. Three weeks ago the build up as has been pretty good consistently since they started this program. And i like the fact that they're they're kind of going going all the way back to their prior history too and bringing an interconnecting everything. I do like that. That's just storytelling. Which is what which is under appreciated. I feel and this day and age with wrestling fans. They just they just want the big spots and everybody spot monkeys and no one cares about stories anymore. I will say that's kind of crazy. If you think about the old school mentality like us as wrestling fans we liked the story right. We talked about it like you want a good bill. Once i'm last while but all these bureau papa making pop why. Why are we making you pop. I weird glass now. Class too lazy to put context now man saving them up going anywhere all right. You got winning. What are the other picks for you finishes. I got four finishers. Twenty minute match time. Alexa bliss will appear. And i'm torn here with the last one because in my head i feel like no. They're not going set on fire right right but all you know what so when i make up my place. The first thing i said was an inferno match is supposed to end with fight somerset on fire however is the new wwe. I could also just see randy being thrown into a room and a fucking room going on fire. Not action seeff randy. Be on fire right. No that she said that obama safe yesterday. I'm not changing month. But i have like a and made a pick on it yet. I'm just trying to like. I'm just going back and forth in my head when he got home pick. I'm just going to go with my gut and say no all right. No from the guts watt spilling his guts. Over here up next. Is the raw tag team championship new day. Taking on the hurt business we set an intro man The this entire paper just seems like fodder drink and you've got to have something. I don't have anything to drink with me up here. It's okay alright. Disappoint outside of this. I don't really see any changes in titles happening. So i'll get divulge my picks. I really think the hurt business is going to win this but at the same time. It's a good call. I liked the hurt business. I don't feel like the hurt. Business is bad for television at all. I think what they're doing how they're playing other dynamics between each other in who they deal with is actually really good. I like i. I think the her business doing a good job. What are your thoughts on on this match and build up nicholas. I didn't like the hurt business at first. But yeah but i think that they do a good job with them. Lately i went back and forth with the pick on this just because cedric alexander lately has kinda gotten a big head and they've given it to him and like he tagged himself into a match the other night on raw and he's got like an attitude about him so you know it was. This was actually a little tough but I like the bill to it and But yeah i. It's hard for me to say that the her business is going to go over here. What are your thoughts. Even if you're behind. I feel i feel like it makes it kinda makes sense. You know to to to give her business the route especially cedric alexander. Not necessarily For shelton benjamin. Because i mean he's been around and he's held titles and everything already but for surgery alexander. I think it'd be good. It'd be good for him. Good for his look. And and i think the reason why they made new day. The tag champions is for them to drop the title to to make another team because how you know what what better way to to make a team and to give a team a legitimate push and make make attack team legitimate than then beating one of arguably the best tag teams in wrestling in the last twenty years. And so i mean i think it would. It would make total sense for them for the hurt business. Go over now my old school booking thoughts like well maybe they would save that for a bigger pay per view like maybe royal rumble next month. But i mean and today in today's title changed hands back and forth so quickly. I mean you know that's just how it's been for for the better part of a twenty five years now where you just title title flip around Weekly at times. It seems like so. I think it'd be a good call to have the hurt business enemy. They didn't build them up. And you know they had the little run with retribution. that started out really great and then just ended with a loud sud. Yep and w w just gave up on retribution. Like that well. I don't think he gave up retribution. But i think the the the people who have buried more talent and wrestling more than john cena hog vis. Mac are the fans. I feel like i feel like the fans is complete because the retribution. It wasn't what the fans want it. So they meet shit on it and and it lost in that. That didn't help it either. But that's just my personal opinion. I won't get on my soapbox right now. Well again though. Let's let's let's stand on the soapbox when it was presented. So i i'm all for letting things play out. But it's like every time they make gave retribution step. Four especially when added ali and stuff i lead to it then they all of a sudden just like smack right and i would like to get behind. I wanted to get behind retribution. But it started making so much little sense that i had to go. Okay i'm done. I'm done and that's me not should talking. You know because we even said the when was that volume awesome. Finally something with direction something to give purpose something to give it a motivation to move forward because they were everywhere all of a sudden they were only on raw and then they were doing you know then may sign contracts just to destroy things in ww like why that legs can stop any folly. America cool now you're gonna keep making him look foolish because it's not like any of the losses that they took made sense right. They just fucking police shit. How higher human. I just walk up literally alleys like. Why did you set an alarm. Like i normally wake up at eight o'clock on sundays out an issue. Okay man we made our inferno match picked. You have your management at. You'll be one second pulled up. She said oh. Hey oh gross. that's my cousin. You did it to yourself. Escalation maybe alrea agai bray wyatt match. Four finishers total. Thirteen minute match time. He student alexa bliss appearance and yes to wrestler lit on fire. It's funny. I'm the only one who did he pick four four finishers. I have one. I have a feeling it's going to be randy. Orton gonna like arcade three times as standard back up. You think that he means going to be the first person to pop up from an archaic. I mean the way they built a theme it makes sense. Yeah i don't know. I think it's the argos arc has more most protected finisher outside of dean ambrose double arm. Ddt holding. But the whole gimmick behind the phoenix. He doesn't sell i. Maybe not for gale's but he's definitely kicking out of won and randy is going to get pissed into another one is even going to punt them and he's gonna kick out of that yeah. I don't think he's going to get our tail off. I think that it's gonna do some sort of weird thing. Matt firefly match and then out of nowhere boom sister gail pin one-two-three but again i also understand every one of the other points of wives might be more than one finisher again. All right so we were talking about her business and New day and the build for this. What are your thoughts I think The hurt business finding to go over it. It feels like they should've went over and won the championship. Maybe the first time maybe maybe even the sagi- army face the new day. We're going out like four or five times now where they've had title opportunities and it's it's almost like you have to put it on them otherwise nothing makes sense. They should have like. I said they should've put up on the hurt business earlier. And then they coulda done like gone. A flipflop thing with the ballots like new day lose someday wins back. You know however you want to extend that feud but if they dull. I don't wanna see them face the hurt business anymore. I've seen it way too fucking much in the past three months. So i think they're gonna take it but i don't wanna see ever again all right so we're going to kick off picks while we're gonna start with you then zeev and myself then nick so walked gopher still on a tag match right. Yeah right so. I got hurt business winning by pinfall. Cedric alexander makes makes the fall kofi takes the fall. Six area moves and five interrupted pens. All right the I have watching you. Wake up is hilarious by the way. Shut up the hurt business. By pinfall i've can in kofi Seven aerial moves and four interrupted penetrates. I also have the hurt business by pinfall. Cedric alexander pinning eggs xavier woods air moves six interrupted pin attempts nine nice. I literally only did that for six. Legit i could. I might work out to my favor. More likely won't but at least i did sixty nine and one of these picks nick. You're well. I have the hurt business by penn cedric alexander. Making the fall xavier's taken seven aerial moves and six interrupted pin attempts. All right up next. Is the women's tag team championship match baseler. Jack's defending against asta in person to be determined. It was supposed to be lana. And then they took on out of the tlc match and then raw headaches worst rating in history lana. It's apparently everyone still hates raw for what it's doing. It's destroying everything that is building up is getting more and more ridiculous defense to the point where no rating has ever been lower the matter of fact raw even lost in the key demographic group to eighty w from the week before robin up lower number in that for the first time ever against a e w usa network is yes crazy thing is. Here's what's really crazy is. All of the writing for this week's raw was done to appease vince so there wasn't any changes that happened like that and the show is thrown away and being written as it was happening which is normal for. wwe zoll written in advanced. Nothing was thrown out. Vince was adequately dire script. And shit absolute fucking shit. now it. I will fully embrace the fact that ratings are more determined on what happened the week before. Then what happened the current week. I do know that you can bring people in but if you're not happy with what's happening before you're probably tuning out a little bit more on a little bit more later later later so i'm not saying it's fully to blame on what happened on this show but it definitely didn't do anything to help them in the future women's tag match z. What are you thinking about the build up for this man. Lana stuff from fucking survivor. Series two lamas leg being taken out to all of this Saw originally when this storyline was unfolded and is probably the the third. Maybe the forest. I'm lana went through the announce table. i was starting to get invested in the storyline. I'm also the only one in the group that picked lana to be the sole survivor at survivor series. What they did all yet make copy. That's right. I forgot then like what they did with her. After survivor series. I was kind of invested in that story because it was like all right jewel sole survivor. Alright you're putting Like oscar i. I don't think a lot of the great wrestler. But i was invested in this story like they. They made me carer. Saw all right. Let's see where this goes and then randomly as building up steam as they're making This huge face. They write off. Tv no bill. Reid marie they i understand. It was brutal attack but they put her through six tables prior she got up every fucking time. This one time she couldn't doesn't make so sable spots anymore z. So that doesn't really matter known so. No one sells table spots. I was gonna say plus if you're using this and then she still shows up at. Tlc tonight to be in a tag match. You know what i'm saying. It kind of builds her character a little bit. You know like obviously we're making it. Sound like thing was brutal but it took some time. She still back to fight. So they're there could be help there but again that is really dependent on her actually showing up tonight. You know the it made this match Little heart pack because it was like well. If lana comes back. I think they they lose. Just because why. Why are you gonna get on our oscar to titles but if the rumors about mineral possibly charlotte being her partner then i think they win it so yeah. This match is a little hard to call nick. What your thoughts on this bill. There's a lot happening with this based on some of the things that i've read and what should the z. Said because i was to kind of invested in it after you put lots of through forty eight tables week over week over week And you know i. I have not been impressed with her wrestling. She had time to kind of work on that for a while. And it's not any better now than it was before. But at least she had somebody in her corner who is one of the if not the best women's wrestler in the company But you know when you totally smashed her on monday. It's kind of making me feel like it's due to mandy coming back and like the idea was to have mandy and dana go over niagara and shayna before mandy got injured. So you know like i said. There's a lot of different variables. Here that are coming into play. That made this one kinda hard to pick ryan. Charlotte like z. Said what what's your. What are your thoughts. You know i as i'm watching. Lana get the re recaps of lana get put their table after talking about this per- perfectly syncs up. I i feel like. I might be the only person that doesn't really care that llamas off. Tv or not. Like i don't care. She does nothing for me. She never has even when she was with rusev. Like i was never a huge fan of rusev either so i i have no emotional investment and her character arc at all. It was entertaining this year. Get put through a table every week. And and all that. But i mean i'm not gonna i i didn't. I didn't want for offer the last three weeks because they they were going to write lawn off tv so you know like i don't care i guess my my wages. I don't really care earning my thought process on this is. Wwe saw their saw their ratings tanking. And they got rid of lana to do the charlotte thing and to have charlotte in the mix and on tv again because they feel it. Charlotte is their most viable option on. I think charlotte is one of the best wrestlers overall on the dump in ww brand period so to me that makes sense and to bring her in however i think to get ratings going is what made these picks actually easy for me and i'll get into that soon to get fixed so ziegler i m even the all right I have aska in to be determined winning by pinfall The to be determined to are the unannounced talent will make the fall. Shayna baiser will take the fall of six legal tags. No will be asked as partner now. Here's why i think that they're bringing charlotte back. Because i have fazlur in jack's retain because something's going to happen with charlotte oscar to all ready built in feud their right but it makes sense for charlotte to come back because nyah jackson's the one that took her out so you bring her back. Have this tag match. What you're not gonna have her as a tag teaching. You don't want your. Unless they do the shawn michaels. John cena nothing where they have their their at seton. I'm thinking i'm thinking this. Basically the reason i went with yet z. Was yawning. I thought he was like. Oh i know in june. So i had basil injects by pinfall nyah. Jack is making the fall. Oscars taken the fall. Six legal tags in oscar's partners charlotte flair. Is i think something's going to happen in the middle of that match shots like fuck you. I'm done comeback. She's gonna fight oscar as he'll to take the raw women's championship because we need ratings ratings. Oh my god. We need ratings What are your picks. I just want to say real quick Mikey get outta my head. Were the same person so well. So have winning. Pinfall with nyah. Jack's making a fall is gonna take the charlotte is gonna turn on her in the middle of the match and concert the match so oscars partners layer mother ten. Nick i'm gonna go out on a really long limb with this duca. I've got none for the winner. Because it wasn't an option. Because i i can see both of your points walton. Mikey with charlotte coming back in this match turning on asca. I think that makes sense. I think what z. Says makes sense. There's a lot of that's twice and there's a lot of different variables here I can see charlotte not making an appearance tonight and coming back on raw tma or the road or the room. I kinda have to go. i'm gonna go with mandy. Rose and dana. Brooke coming into this match. And i can see nyein shayna taking oscar out before the match even starts adam. What's the general manager guys name. He's not as general manager. Whoever that guy is there you go. Pierce is gonna come out. He's going to give them a tag team to face. It's going to be mandy. Rose and dana brooke and. I think that they're going to go over here. I think dana brooks improved a lot. I think mandy rose has improved a lot. And like i said i think that's the direction they were going in the first place. Plus that puts nyah and china or both one of the other in a program with charlotte and oscar or all four of them. Two of them. I think that makes me that makes sense. So that's a pretty big lead mispelled seeing as person scorecard choosy just doesn't score the match if that happens so if that is the limit happens nauseating points so i put i put none Fall type is within. The unannounced town will make the fall. Ny jacks will take six legal tags. But i still put charlotte oscars partner just in case. That's fair that's fair Smackdown women's championship carmella trying to take the belt off bow. Sasha banks look look man. I'm gonna say this right now. And this is kind of spoiler kind of not if you've been star wars nerd and you're watching the mandalorian and disney. Plus you know that sasha banks has been at part of the mandalorian season two so this looks to me like as a huge nerd. Sasha banks is about to have one of the best fucking weekends ever life. She had a tornado. Ddt on a historic star wars figure on friday's episode. Season finale of mandalorian. Now she looks to hopefully retain against carmella So it could be a really good week. Sasha banks man come debuted a new character. She's put on some muscle weight. She's you know looking like a real strong contender. How refilling about this built here. Nicholas i. i'm not a fan of carmelo's. I don't remember what they keep calling the guy. They keep giving him a name. That's like a wine expert. Daesh career cabana boy. Yeah actually virgil. Yeah yeah basically. I can do without that but You know the bill has been in fine. It's been building for quite a while. Well over so i. I think this'll be a good match. And carmella from what seems like is improved a little bit and she's getting better and better over the last couple of years so it'd be a good match What are your thoughts. Z zero interest botching. Carmelo razzle. i. I i really. I don't think she's as good as everybody claim. She is. And her new. Gimmick is it's really it's slightly. It's like an evolution of her old character. It's not a new character. it's just we're adding another layer to your old character. Which is good for her. But i i really don't think she's not good in the ring and like talking to somebody about it but the first time strategy. The code of silence Sasha banks she had gained so much weight that she didn't have the flexibility to do. It couldn't grab her own foot to actually make the whole look realistic. So those are my thoughts. Walk any input. Honestly what z. Said like i. Don't i feel the same way about carmella that i feel about. Lana the only difference is at least with. Lana we get a bunch of anal jokes. Frawley dyslexic people out there. Yeah i again. I said at the beginning of this. Show every fucking max. You're just seems like it's a bunch of fire. I have more interested in carmella lot of you do play like interest or no just as a character. I think has got a million dollar about seven base. Quoting bobby heenan. You're not exactly wrong there. Are you at facts. So let's go into our picks out this went off. I have sasha banks retaining her title by submission carmella. Carmella will be the first to get a near fall. I think Near falls will count the number to five total. And i think we're going to have three submission wrote breaks in this one Walk which got. I have have sasha winning by submission. I get a near fall. I'm gonna go with. Sasha weiser's echoes z. what are you doing. I'm looking at my picks. He didn't mute himself. That's why sorry it's okay. I was wondering where the echo was coming from to be honest. I don't know who it was. I just i just blame the the late high guy. He's gator respond right now. But there's no echo so yeah. I got a five near falls in four submission role breaks because sure. Yeah z. You're gonna have to come back and meet yourself then your picks all right. I'm not smitty. i don't need a lesson how to amuse also fair. I know you don't need a lesson. But i do know you're right. I have sasha banks winning by submission first year near fall carmella. There'll be three near falls into submission. Rubrics sasha banks by submission sashes going to be the first to get a near fall. Six near falls. Three submission rope breaks right up. Next is the tlc match for the wwf. Championship drew mcintyre defending against a phenomenal. A j styles I will say before this past raw. The ratings that came out for it. I was dead. Set drew mcintyre was winning this match. But now i don't know what type of reactions are about to happen. Wwe do you have aj styles over because aj styles when he was champion on smackdown or anything was usually a great ratings. Draw and highly touted by smark fans for let's just beyond aj's great in asia holding the title makes every match that much better and because of those ratings you gotta wonder if vince wwe are gonna go reactionary and say look jersey. Not doing it for us. We wanted to be doing. He's not gonna get this title off of them put it on. Aj age as a great round person to do it anyway. So i went from going. Drew's running with this fucking belt to run rumble. Two maybe aj option of taking. What are your thoughts their next kind of along the same lines you know. I had this image in my head of. There's no ladder in the ring. But i can't remember his the dude. Aj but he's he's standing on his shoulders or he's using him as a ladder to reach up and get the belt and win the match because at mother is one of the tallest people i've ever seen but i also think that they're going to keep the belt on drew a little bit longer. Maybe have gone to a program with sheamus It was a little bit of a tough call but still going through z. What do you think I think they're going to go through everything. I've read so far. Is that the reset. Voropayev is gonna either happen tomorrow night on raw or they're going to wait until the rumble gotta do likes module surprises that the rumble and have the reset for the bill wrestlemainia of. I don't think drouzi ratings problem here. I think i think the raw show is booked so bad that nobody cares about the main event. They don't they don't book. I'm like they booked on twenty years ago where they they start you off at the beginning of the show. Maybe not with a promo like they do now but like with something happening and it goes throughout the whole show in the hall show builds to the main event so by the third hour. Everyone's tuning in. Because they wanna see what the fuck is going on now. It's so formulaic. That you kinda get bored. Asked her like the first hour and a half and no matter what is going on. In the main event nobody watched. It doesn't feel as important agreed. I i kind of agree. I don't. I don't think drew mcintyre is your problem. He he has a look he he has. He has a promo ability. He has everything that you looking for. the the adults like him the and and more importantly the kids like them because that is the most important demographic for me. It's it's the kids and then and then it's the adults. And then the internet marks are like number seven or eight after dogs cats hamsters and jeff goldblum. I was thinking. I was thinking sexual predators. But okay understandable. No they really cater to that crowd. One point three million dollars extension. Well well well well. Well it's because that they're their suggestion to make law and order. Svu into a comedy was rejected. So they all right riddle. I riddle me. This how sex offenders get contracts. That are so fact. Wbz wants more allegedly highlands. Yeah allegedly. yeah. And i really guilty one hundred. I want herb central agree about the dramatic everything. I do not think he is the ratings problem. I think he's the reason that you still have what you have tuning in tuning it. Drew is great on a mike. He's created a champion He's great in it's he. He's you know what i'm saying. I'm not trying to say drew. Mcintyre is your top your technical wrestler. But it's better than the five moons of doom from john cena and obviously a good promo as well. So i i. i think drew your mainstay. You're the guy that you want to keep in place but again we all know. Wwe loves reactionary stupid shit right and if the ratings are going down they never think it's the guy holding it up. They think it's the guy leading them down so we'll see what they do While you're gonna start with this then z. Myself nick all right. So i'm gonna go with drew retaining. Aj's going to be the first to climb the ladder Drew is going to be the first to touch the belt. Time before belt touched. That just feels weird to say. That's a weird. I don't that's my belt. Oh man matt riddles. New finisher off allegedly allegedly allegedly touched my belt right above that time before froze. He's really still in smitten. Gimmick right now you're you're still muted now z. Stealing cities chemic- guardian spirit infections. Before you gave the number five no before you get the belt touch number five okay. Yeah now i chair. I got drew. I the chair number chair shots. I got got eight and yes. Announcer denounced table will be destroyed back z. I have drew winning. I have aj being first to climb the ladder. Aj being first to touch the bell felt will be touched after five minutes Drew mcintyre will be the first year with the chair. Be about ten chair shots at yes and announce table will be destroyed. I have drew mcintyre winning. Aj sows i climb aj styles. I touch on seven. Minutes is the time before the belt touched says. Let's be honest. drew is not that inviting overall. It's gonna take them a little bit of time to work in someone to touch his belt. I hit with the chair will be drew. Mcintyre there will be only six chair sock shots and no and announce table will not be destroyed during this match. Nick similar picks Drew mcintyre will be the winner. I decline will be. Aj the first touch. The belt will be j six minutes before the belts touched. Drew will be the first to be hit with a chair. Five chair shots no to announce table and finally the the final match on this card is universal championship. Tlc match roman reigns taking on. Kevin owens in. What is paul. Heyman scared to see. What kevin owens brings out of roman reigns z. What are your thoughts on the built here. it's all right. I all right. So it's roman reigns so kevin harlan's is not gonna go over and he's probably gonna gonna get murdered it. It's cool to see roman beating up somebody other than his cousin. So that's good. I wish i always wish. Kevin did more but obviously not going to be more in this spot by. He is an innovator of violence. So he this is. This is his wheelhouse so If they don't make this like a roman squash match this has potential to be the match of the night with some very creative spots. Especially if they you know. Go what kevin owens would like to do Ads about that spot. It so nick. I agree with z. I think i. I'm definitely glad that somebody other than who sold that. Romans feuding with But this type of match. I mean there's really nobody better at least on the smackdown side to put in a match with roman other than kevin owens. You know. Kevin owens will do these crazy spots and you can beat the fucking shit out of him And you know he'll make it look good and so will roman saw i think you know overall the feud kind of caught me by surprise when it started and i was a little bit if on it but i think they've they've done a pretty decent job I've like romans character where he's at. I like him a little bit more every week. I think he plays a way better heel than he does. face But you know again. I have no no like in no way shape or form is kevin owens going to win this match but i think it could definitely be a really good match because owens puts on good matches and he makes it look good so again. I liked this feud between. Koa roman roman is just an excellent. He'll kevin nc's cabanillas. He's just great no matter what he's doing whether it's he'll face or twitter whatever is doing on and and i mean i don't obviously kale isn't gonna win this match. But it's he's he's in a prime spot. He's innovative in spa against the top guy in the company and right where he should be. So i i. It's it's entertaining feud i've actually watched smackdown just behind on raw because smackdown is worth watching whereas raw is not. Well i mean i- smackdown has as the big dog. And i mean it's kinda cool how they are playing into the fact. That roman has never be kevin's. Yeah they basically i they just have to. You know bring that full circle and have roman go over on javelin so they can't say that but hey mike he asked me my opinion out. Sorry hi he's all right. Smitty guide agreeing with you. It smokes more. Oh i forgot where i was going now. I lost my train of thought. Thanks buddy segue into z. Was thinking was it done talking though. Now i'm done well. We need your really need you. Because you're going. I myself then while than nick. I have roman reigns winning. The match roman reigns will be the first to climb the ladder. Kevin owens will be the first hit with the ladder. Roman reigns will be the first to touch the bell. Three tables will be broken. Yes either buso enters the ring and there will be zero kendo shots life rahman winning roman. I decline i. Hit with kevin owens. I touched belts. Roman reigns very similar. To what you said but i have two tables broken yes there will be either of usos will enter the rain and the four candlestick shots. Because i don't think any other matches gonna use a candlestick. So i could see a couple of shots being used here so i got four while i got so. I got roman winning caled. I climbed the ladder. Rome is going to be the first hit with the ladder k. I touched about got three broken tables. Yes who in also entering the ring and got six candlestick shots for nick. Roman gonna win this one romans going to be the first climate i hit with the latter will be kevin owens. I took the belt will be roman reigns to tables broken yes to do so entering the ring and six kendo stick shots. I'm actually going to switch something here. I'm a swish it. To kevin owens being the first climb the ladder. And that's just because the way they played roman. He's just spent so methodical in his matches. Like it's a much slower pace. Then i could see him. Just beating the shit. Out of kevin owens before finally going up the ladder to get up about. I don't think he really is going to make a lots of attempts at two spots. I can one hundred percent. See him stopping. Kevin owens before kevin ever gets a chance to touch the belt agree. I'm changing that too. Yeah so like I still have roman reigns being the first touch. Because i think the only person touches about was the person's gonna win. I think that's gonna be roman. Finally for the pro wrestling scorecard picks match main card matt's position opening match third match fifth match and main event. Obviously i'm kicking this off. I think the raw tag team championship will kick off this paper view. Then i believe the third match is going to be your smackdown women's championship match of sasha banks in carmella i think fifth match is going to be the firefly inferno match and i believe the main event will be the tlc match for the universal championship originally had wwe. She donna. Why did that romans universal champion. And i think that wanna close out the show or no. I don't know i'm gonna go. I'm saying i'm sticking with universal. What would you. So i have so i have opening match from going to go a little off. I'm going to open. Imagine going to be a firefighter. For no match. The third match women's tag team championship match. Tlc for doda the title and then man event. He did he universal championship. I went with inferno match to go in between the two. Tlc matches just so. I figured there'd be time to clean up. I think it's going to be a cinematic. So he's not gonna be anything in the arena anyway and be given time to clean up between the matches but go ahead. Ozzy alright has the raw tag team championship. Opening the match third match will be the women's smackdown fifth match will be the firefly inferno and the main event will be the universal. I've got the smackdown women's championship being Third match will be the women's tag team championship fifth matches the firefly inferno and the main event is the universal champion. So i do have a question here because it potentially right now. They're six matches on the card. Which means probably the women's tag championship will be on the pre show. Which makes this five match card so in in potential you're made of that could also be your fifth match. Yeah but. I don't think they're gonna do that. They've been doing something else. They'll something else happened in the fucking kick off. I honestly i see something like big museum. i'm just saying that because when i searching websites and stuff to kind of get an idea of who asked goes partner would be. That matched wasn't even considered part of betting odds or anything so it wasn't even considered part of the pay per view so i just automatically assumed it would be the pre show fair i saw. I saw betting odds on that one. But i really yeah. It was the women's tag match. Yeah oh no i. I guess i didn't live matches. They had betting odds on that. Could it changed since last night. But this is you know ten o'clock last night so it's been a full fourteen hours since the who i agree So that's it guys. Make sure you go to and scorecards dot com. Fill out your own free digital scorecard how you're stacking up up against the rest of the world in there and like i said man we started show was ninety people on there. Now is one hundred five hundred. Five people have filled out there Scorecard so definitely want to be a part of see how you stack up against the community. Free pro wrestling scorecards dot com free. Go to it digital. fill out. 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ExtraTime Radio: Galaxy, LD are #FirstToFive, plus roster madness

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ExtraTime Radio: Galaxy, LD are #FirstToFive, plus roster madness

"You're listening extratime radio. Read around the place out, alternate heightening on fire last night at all because you guys like drink beer word association before he can get you out of here. Any towns. Twitter. Twin will see Simon board thing ever Snapchat. Do you know what Snapchat is since we faces are not your no, I do and Snapchat one all my contacts. And I refused. Give it my Simon. You are in India. Doc Hollywood, California next time radio, and then we'll soccer dot com and siriusxm channel ninety four. I am Andrew UB. Not with Simon Borg. Not with David Goss say a crew that I don't think we've ever had before. Nick, I show over here on the dials. It's a it's a reprisal of an old role. And then the cellist Matt Doyle it is on the the night of immolates Cup. I guess the the aftermath so to speak as you can tell my voices gun. That's the result of like three straight days yelling in crowded clubs over music. So a lot of hard work. Yeah. Just just struggling just trying to get going. Of course, you know, what they say. There's nothing less glamorous than being a soccer, right? Yes. I've heard that said as well. Landon Donovan with very awhile placed jab, right before he leaves it goes on the even my last velvety, here sucks to be you pretty much that was Landon Donovan's message. But it's pretty good to be right now to one win for the LA galaxy their fifth Imma less Cup championship. The first two five where they gotta done. Landon. Donovan now, six right? I mean, he's he's all alone at the top of the ladder among players in MLS. He did not score in this one night his best game. I think he would admit that as well. But big show for you here on this. Well, it's a Sunday. It'll probably come into you on a Monday. But as I said, we're going to wrap it up here in the first thing we'll throw to David gas in Simon Borg in the second and in the mail bag. They'll handle that business for you is we'll all be traveling back to our humble abodes. But let's get right into the game guys. No goals in the first half. It wasn't a pretty game. In a lot of ways. I think people were calling cagey that's a really kind kind word to use ultimately with this one. But jesse's artists scores the first ever goal for homegrown in the fifty second minute just a minute after we win had a disputed penalty. Call I wouldn't say much disputed because I don't think it was a penalty. Ultimately, Chris Tierney with a nice goal to time matters in the seventy nine. And then we go to extra time where the revs pretty much just get their hearts broken every single MLS Cup Robbie Keane. Who else two hundred eleven minute defensive breakdown by the revs allowing him to get in behind. He puts it in the inside the back post a little anticlimactic, but ultimately a victory for LA. They lift the Cup. They they enjoy the confetti shower it ended up. Ended up. I had most people expect it to ended up with LA hoisting the trophy Robbie Keane had to really great looks. Maybe three really great looks and one he put right into Shuttleworth chest in the other. He took really selfishly that given Landon. Donovan the layup and the third one he finally buried if you give great player that many looks eventually you're going to be picking the ball out of your own net. Yeah. It wasn't the prettiest game for the galaxy. But you know, what? This wasn't the prettiest postseason for these guys either. We talked about the Seattle series. Had one game. Past like, six for all that talk about the west being just a heads and shoulder above that. It was not the shining light of postseason, the east entertainment value is entertainment, value wise. It was a lot better in the east, but for the galaxy and Bruce Arena set it after the game to capitalize or to end this season with an Cup title. They went through a lot this season. They went through the whole Annan Donovan saga all the emotional stuff. AJ dela Garza this. I think he didn't say specifically or explicitly. But I think this is probably the proudest Bruce Arena's Ben of a team because they just got it. And especially with these last couple weeks when they didn't play. Well, they got by Seattle the skin of their teeth and today, surprisingly, they definitely could lost this game. And they want your right? And it's like you brought up the land in thing and like his retirement and AG dela Garza. Unfortunately, losing his child these horrible tragedies. And there's a tendency I think on social media whenever somebody brings it up to say, oh, narratives narratives, you're just pedaling narratives this. These are real people like. When teammate someone even playing with for years and years loses a child, and then still comes to work with you. I don't care. What job you're in that affects you, and you could see that. And the other thing is look Landon. Donovan means a lot to a lot of people not just saying for the galaxy. But for US Donovan, leads means a lot. And I think you saw that weight of emotion with the galaxy. And I think it led to some pretty awful said this down the stretch that the Donovan finale and the farewell tour was a distraction for them. And they were really thrilled when it was sort of over and they could just focus on the game. The one guy who is the least emotional person. I think I've seen a lot for an MLS sort of superhero, whatever is Robbie Keane. And when it came to the hundred eleven th minute ride became got it done kind of funny note on Robbie Keane. We talked a lot on the show. We. Different sides of who would lift the Cup and every Robbie Keane commodity. He has armband he's not going to give up that honor. He gives it to his kids second, which I don't think any of us predicted. But look that's his project man, you gotta give it to your boy, you got to look into the day twenty five years from now he may not be in contact with Landon. Donovan and. You said it he didn't play terribly. Well, he missed a couple of chances toilet. He was not very good today. Now, there was Landon. Donovan and the galaxy admitted this was not their best game. The list of players who were awfully shorts. Both sides of the ball, but Keene. I think today he gets the the MLS Cup MVP. That's his first one and he won the regular season. MVP? He cemented his status today. If he's not the best is native player, so far probably by the end. He might win another Cup here. Do you know, jeez. The most successful. There's no doubt about that. He's the most successful most fish fishing. The most successful. Any team would take Robbie Keane? Over some of the other DP's, we've had we should talk about another guy on the other side of the field who is not a DP, but who has played with like one all year, and we saw him downstairs in the hotel lobbies is Lee widow, and it was heartbreaking to see him have to come off with his legs cramped like is his it didn't just cramp both of his calves cramped. He came off. He said, you know, what I got to be on the field. I gotta come back and then both groins cramped. I have never cramped in my groin. Can't imagine having both of them. He's a very kind thing. But it wasn't drinking water downstairs, which was a little surprised. Yeah. I mean, it's it is the. It was it was really disappointing for him because he got the ball. And in that space, not in space, and that was acres in front of him. But in that little pocket of space between the back line and the central midfield a couple of times. He just didn't have quite have. It didn't quite have it. And it was it was kind of disappointing ending to Justice spectacular seasons from him. I think. Look nobody's gonna mean as much as what Landon Donovan has meant. But in terms of smaller technical creative players just the season. Lee went as head. I think he's opened some is for some guys maybe would have been ignored in the past. Maybe guys that are looking at this league saying that's not a place where I can succeed even right especially on the domestic side because we've seen it on the South Americans come here to have the skill set. They get in. That's they get the opportunities. They get the long run. Not a lot of times is that happened for an American players from this game, the revs actually won the possession battle. I think just about everybody who did previews on it who whatever discussed they're not gonna win that they're gonna sit back L A's going to hold onto the ball. They're going to do what they normally do. And and stick together ten fifteen twenty past sequences, maybe one of those turn out to be goal. That's not the way. This went down in this match. LA? I think had the better of the chances. No doubt about that. But if you're New England you look at this match, and you say man, we had an. Opportunity. And now that's five less Cup defeats Jay heaps after this match did not take two questions about that soil, which look if I'm him. I don't either. But you know, that is the story went for the revs at this point. They're always the bridesmaid never the bride. They just don't get it done by the Buffalo Bills thing kind of trite, and it's lame. But you know, it is the equivalency. It is what everybody's going to go back to was this a blow to the organization in that sense. Or I mean, all the talk we're building for next year. We've got three or four years with this project. Well, I think in the beginning of the season as good as the revs were last year. They lost Eastern Conference semis to Kansas City. I don't think anybody in the beginning of the not say anybody a lot of people probably didn't expect them quite to get to the Cup final. And then go to go. There were supposed to be good. They're supposed to be good and probably threatened Kansas City. Right. They did plenty more than that as for the game itself and heaps. I mean, he answered these questions in six that was the third time. He'd lost six. When they lost the PK shootout to Houston, then they lost again in seven. And now, here's a head coach. I'm not surprised you didn't what's crazy though. And you dropped all three of their defeats the galaxy extra time four of the like, they've lost five cups. You mentioned waves. They've only lost one in regulation. They lost the seven one to Houston and back and forth right off the shootout. And then they lost three others and extra time. So it's been a tough road for revs fans, and they were really good at this game. They came out in numbers, and they were a lot better in my opinion than the galaxy waters consider considering they didn't have obviously have as many in the game itself. You mentioned they had the chances to win Lee win had an opportunity that he thought was a PK. It was not. I don't think you could argue that it really was and teal Bunbury after Tierney got the goal which shocked everybody, but it's wonderful goal. One till Bunbury hit the crossbar six inches down and win this game. And we're not talking about Landon. Donovan talking about train Jones. And we're talking about all these guys. Is. So they'll be back again next year. I think they are going to next season easily the favorites in the eastern easily the best team. I mean, I actually put out a tweet. I said, it's I we'll do this again next year folks, either going to be an alumnus Foxborough, Columbus, those are the two teams because the rest of the east is going to be down so bundle up. That's what you're saying. Yeah. Sixty five degree. Balmy weather. Nothing. Nothing to shame. Shame for the Ravs considering they withstood it in the first Robbie Rogers almost scored in the second minute in this game. Second third minute. Game. So. They withstood that they allot guys did not play. We mentioned on both teams. But guys on the revs had bad uncharacteristically, bad games. Some guys played. Well, Jamie Jones and Lee win when he had his moments play. Well, Charlie Davies didn't play today in Bunbury was awful at times. Andrew Farrell did not have his best day as fair was bad. Andrew caldwell. Wasn't that great? I didn't think either. They they didn't play great. They didn't play terribly. Well, and they went to the best team in what they'll regret in this game are the individual place to the two plays on the goals. And you know, that's not like groundbreaking. Now's you always regret those plays. But especially I think even more so than than the first the second will get them. But the the first is all about, you know, Justice art, just over powering Andrew Farrell. There's no way you can fall to ground in that instance, and they good finish by Artis the first ever homegrown to score going in west Cup. So props for him down at the bar earlier. Doyle here saying specs regression. I think I'm with him on that to no end and Donovan that's gonna change things. That'll be a big talking point throughout this whole offseason. Maybe even in the next segment was Simon and Dave because remember there is a half day trade window on Monday in the last before the expansion list. So a lot of movement expected with that one. But it's the second goal and take us through that a little bit Doyle because somehow, someway in extra-time Robbie Keane is one v one with Bobby Shuttleworth, and that is pretty much the only thing that. You're happen. Yeah. I mean, it was. I hate to pick on Chris Tierney who's been so good in these playoffs. And was I thought really arguably the revs best player for most of this game and expect to the touched by the way to just leave Leonardo just like right staring at the ground is beautiful. Was it was amazing. He'd been doing it is entire life. And he's he's been in a really weird way the heart and soul of this team because he became better and better and more confident going forward, they became so much more dangerous. Well, fullbacks tough position. You got to keep track of the guy behind you. You gotta keep track of the center forward pulling off of the central defenders. And you gotta keep track of the ball. And oh, by the way, when you're going against a team as good as galaxy and player smart as Robbie Keane. You got to keep track of the guy forty yards away, you busting your offside trap support. Chris Tierney was coming over to cut off the long ball to Alan, Gordon. But marcel. Service saw and just a perfect ball to Robbie Keane. Instead, it's like. Like this just high level play. You know, it was a bad game. But it was one moment where two very very smart, very experienced players. Just made the right play in Tierney blew it. He blew it. And the games unfair. And it's tough because this is a guy who said I'm reps fan. I grew up with this team. He saw those failures before the unfortunate truth is now he's a part of it. Jermaine Jones had a little son to say after this one. He here's the quote, and I'll kind of give it a little context. It's his opinion that this is the type of goal that this team has given up an awful lot since he's been there the ball over the top just completely cuts them apart. Here's what he had to say. It was a goal. We always give up. It's a normal long ball nothing special and they're killing four to three people. I do like the four to three people always enjoy the transcribe German. They hit the ball on the ball dropped in the back. King can run one v. One with the keeper. It's not only today. It is always the last games. We were lucky that we can fix that. They did not fix it in this one and they go down. So so let's look ahead a little bit. You kind of mentioned it. New England expected to be the the flag bears in these of course, sporting KC and the Houston dynamo moving on to the west. Yeah. Those expansion clubs in New York City of C and Orlando city coming in in the east, but. You'd be naive to think that they'll be able to turn it on from day. One New England is going to be the team you have to imagine have a full year of Germain Jones, you'd think they're gonna invest a little bit in the off season. You'd hope give them a little bit more firepower where do they stand? What's the aftermath for them when they sit and reflect on this and the next two weeks or so they'll they'll go into twenty fifteen supporter Shiels favorites. And Jermaine Jones as frustrating player as he can be an you. And I you know, we stood next week other during the game and especially midway through the second-half. Everytime. Jones is on the ball. It was like hero ball hero ball. It gets a little bit desperate doesn't seem to trust guys the way he should. But at the same time, he's just he's a game-breaker. If you have him for thirty four games, you know, you're going to get some great play out of him. And you know, it's going to allow Lee win to move up a little bit higher and the regs have got a lot of great pieces in they are going to be favorites. I think Columbus has. Just as much upside to next year center Ford in here. Yeah. I mean, can Kamara do it. About the about the noise center for LA on the other side. Landon Donovan's gone. And now what that's that's that's your. That's your guy. You know? We're sitting downstairs as as everybody. I'm sure has done today kind of reflecting this talking about what might happen next. And the question was even poses a playoff team next year in the west, which I think is crazy talk. It's one hundred percents playoff fair. I had already had three drinks. Yes. That's very very true. And now here we are look where we are we trust trust the analysis of the analysts. It's always on point. But I don't think there's any chance that doesn't happen. But do they have an opportunity to win their fourth in five because at this point, they are the standard they are the standard for success? I think they're built to certainly challenge again in the Western Conference. I think Seattle's built certainly they might be built a little bit better. If no is there, your yeah. The galaxy lose land, and if you're right that Zayas has sort of a slump next year and his numbers fall off then Seattle's going to be in the driver's. But Marcello service is going to be ninety seven years old next year. There's no way he could run like this. Jeans Brazilian jeans. Men you spend half your your life on a beach and just toned and tanned days man, all their guys are going to be a little bit older. But what's gonna be what's gonna be interesting to see during the offseason who's the galaxy get effectively replace Landon? Donovan or do they do it. Now, do they wait till perhaps the summer who is a little word is. And it's not a surprise. But the word is around the galaxy. Now as five time Cup champs as you said in the beginning with this reputation of success. They're going to go out and get a big player. They're not they can build Bruce Arena can build the rest of his team around issues, Ocoee and some of these role players, but they're going to get a big player. I don't know if anybody's going to have the impact Landon Donovan did. But they're going to try and go get a big player Robbie Keane's gonna be good again next year. He's he's machine. I think I don't know. He's going to be good this year. But he's still gonna put up solid solid numbers. Omar's getting better every year. So to speak delegates that was great day getting better. And better every year. You have Robbie Rogers a full season. Leftback believer in in in lodge, Robbie Rogers long-term potential leftback. Yeah. I don't think there's another position for him. I think that's that's where he will be the first year. We're looking we're looking at a, you know, I'm not gonna say he's just scratching the surface because there's a guy who's been a long term pro realistically, but it does take some time to transition. And I think the more confident gets federal being like. You'd be kidding yourself to say that even at this point. He's not top-five leftback. Yeah. So they're going to be good next year. But you mentioned Kansas City, Houston come over. So the west gets a little bit more interesting and Dom careers at San Jose. And who knows what's going to happen? At least be hard to be MLS. Is you can have a turn look at Benneton DC night. You can turn things around pretty quickly. So Seattle is the top team. I think Dallas is going to be good. I think fan Cougars kind of curious and Portland barely missed the playoffs this year. So and I don't know what's gonna Brielle Salt Lake Quincy. Just just wait till the second segment because we're doing this on Sunday night and the word on the street is that things are rolling downhill and that have trade win though is going to get real real interesting. All right before we get out of your goes. You know, we've we've talked about the game itself. What about the year itself? Because that's that's kind of thing that, you know, you sit down after this and you start to just, you know, take a breath and think boy, I'm gonna get some good sleep of the next two or three weeks God willing what about the twenty fourteen season. What did we what? Are we take away from this? What is our end of the day? How do we how do we view two thousand fourteen MLS? Well, we'll do our stories of the year that we always do molest soccer dot com. We haven't voted on it yet or anything like that. But this was the year of land in this was. And end, really. I mean, if you consider everything that happened with the national team the goalscoring record the surge in the second half of the season that the festively got him the assist her that nobody expected then he was pretty good in the playoffs. You had the farewell tour and obviously goes out with MLS Cup. It was the year of land. And then two thousand fifteen is the galaxy maybe expansion. Yeah. Well, expansion was a big story. I I was I was talking with a friend downstairs about it. Like this felt like the last year for us the soccer nerds the last. It's our it's our underground little bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and Landon was the face of that the face of America soccer. Maybe it's coming up before it was. I mean, we see all those those highlights of when he was nineteen twenty twenty one years old time greats like zapruder film, you know, and that was that was his career. And you know, so if heels like is just going to get bigger and bigger, maybe a little less per. Channel. And I'm not looking forward to that part of it. I do like these are the good old days. People are going to talk about the little bit days. These were them, you know, my favorite thing about these events is not necessarily the games or or the parties or any of that stuff. It's it's it's a it's a mutual gathering place for all these people that you know, whose lives revolve around this whose lives revolve around soccer in the United States. And you you go around, and you meet people in your like, all right? You know, there are times. I think like, you know, when I lived in Kansas where I was like, nobody else likes us. Yeah. Very few people do and if they do I don't know and I'm not hanging out with them. And then you come to something like this. And you're like, okay, there's people cares groundswell. Maybe a little too deeply about it. I mean deep enough to to get a banner on a plane flying. Toil. You got a good point like Donovan's retirement sort of dovetails with the introduction of NYC FC next year in Orlando city and Atlanta in two years in the new L AFC franchise and a couple of years it's gonna get bigger it might get better. But it's gonna get bigger. It's gonna get a little bit more corporate going forward. That's just the way it is. Once you bring people in with money expectations. It's going to be which team can buy the biggest players. Yup. Which it hasn't really been sort of wasn't seven a little bit. But not really only two or three teams could play right now. Everybody's looking to get something. Now, it's an arms race between Toronto and Seattle and LA NYC, and maybe the rebels. You know, it is exciting because it's what we want. We want to be one of the best teams in the world. And you do that by investing money to buy the best players and to build the best players, and that's the legacy. But I I think we're all gonna miss of a little bit time. You could go down to the your local in and out burger, and you know, have fries with a MLS player. Just you know, nobody would notice them. Yeah. Those rare times, maybe they'll get more and more rare. As year goes on an exciting MLS Cup. Maybe not the quality on the field that we all hoped for. But in the end, a storybook ending. I was told not to use Highwood ending. That's the only time I will reference it route there, but yeah, they're yo south bay ending for Landon. Donovan the galaxy two one winners an MLS Cup. The nineteenth of all time. We head into next next year. Check out the beta in Los next, the new website unless soccer dot com, there is a corporate spiel for your little right there. Literally yawning. Yeah. That's fair enough. Let us know what you think at extratime radio and Twitter extra time in soccer dot com. When we come back it won't be us. It'll be Simon and the gasman enjoy. Want to hear from you? You're courage to even extra time at MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with any comments questions orients. Hey, what's up guys Fillmore Gonzales? And you're listening to extratime radio. Imagine. All right. Welcome back here. Like Andrew said in the first segment, David Goss here in New York City, Andrew flying over your heads right now returning home. And I'm here with Simon Borg Simon. How did you enjoy? It was good. I mean, it's a when you're leaving New York at this time of year. Whether it's the weather was good. The stadium atmosphere was fantastic. I think the LA Krog just keeps getting better. And better. I think you know, they respond to the big to the big events and the registering restaurants were pretty we're pretty vocal as well. I thought the game despite not being as great a game as we wanted to be the tension. I guess you have to be in the stadium to really feel the tension really made it in engaging still all the same. I don't know if you've got that sense at home, David. And I think I think a lot of people maybe were a little upset with the. Quality. But I thought they were chances and to go to the tension thing. I think that makes it exciting just having goalscoring chances and having the fans on edge most of the game. I was this appointed that the revs didn't work more daring. They didn't throw enough numbers forward that kind of picked and chose their moments. They still had their chances. But I think germane Jones sitting his back as he did as far back as he did it really took something I I didn't recognize that rep steam and yet there were no one off finals, maybe you gotta play a little differently. But I was a little bit underwhelmed by the reps from that risk perspective. Although you gotta appreciate their fight in their ability to come back and credit Christine with making a run that I think no one really saw coming at the end of the toward the end the game there when he'd been working so hard all throughout that game. And one of the things guys mentioned in the first segment you just heard them out in LA after the game was building and talking about next year and how the leagues. Going to change and how teams are going to change in here on Monday, December eighth? We saw a lot of moves happen. A lot of energy right in the morning. A lot of teams making moves trades left. And right, and then ending the day with the teams releasing the protected list for the expansion Jeff that will occur on December tenth on Wednesday for NYC in Orlando city, and it got started off early by one of those expansion teams Orlando city picking up three players in trades in three really MLS starters. Potential MLS all stars in a mobile kogo, a really in Colin and tally hall hall had been rumored earlier, and those are three huge move Simon for a team right before the expansion to already be building their spine already knew about the whole one. But then when you when you throw in Cologne and Google that's exactly what it is. You're building your spine a coup go, we know how flexible he is in terms of positioning. He's a good midfielder to have to start. I believe that it's for as praised this. He was centreback. I've enjoyed him more in midfield. I know not every game. He's not been as consistent in midfield. As maybe we've seen him at centerback. But I still think there's there's if he's purely a defensive midfielder, I think he can really cover a lot of ground and be a force in material, especially if now you're giving him as an expansion team. You're saying, hey, we want you to really own this midfield and beat defensive because you have a guy like on that team and Kalin. I I enjoy the sky. I'm glad I'm glad he's staying in the league for a moment there. I thought that the falling Kansas City meant maybe that he wasn't going to be an MLS anymore. And I had a chat with him and looked like maybe European options were beginning to surface. So great great that a character like that stays in late. And we know a coup had been talking about European options as well and going to Orlando clearly he had the conversation where he thinks he's a center midfielder, and he now has the assurance that he's going to get the opportune. Unity to play there for Landau, which is what he was really looking for. And I think he's the perfect player to play behind a guy like Kokos because he's going to cover that ground and he's gonna do the work defensively. We know Adrian he likes that four two three one formation think he slots perfectly in those two center midfield roles. Yeah. I think coup go there have been times where I feel like he's trying to do too much. He's trying to be the playmaker. He's trying to be the guy making the runs on amid field. He's trying to be a defensive midfielder. And I think if you just has one duty and one thing to do I think he can be really really good at that. He's so fundamentally sound good. Technically, awareness wise needs to maybe continue to get better. There just to know where he is and reduce the mistakes and turn overs. But I think look another year of experience for him. And I think they're getting a player who's just reaching his prime and a player a lot of people think may have a US national team future. And also another report coming out from the Orlando Sentinel today. On Monday that hunter and Ford. Brian Roach has has signed a contract pending a physical with Orlando in nineteen year old striker he scored a lot of goals where we all Espana, including in CCOO and has six appearances for the Honduran national team at only nineteen so a special exciting attacking player that could be coming down the line four Orlando that would make it thirteen players currently have twelve on their roster, but the other expansion team making a couple trades before they get a chance a crack at the expansion lists. And they made a trade with Vancouver for Omar sell Gado, former number one pick and MLS and a player that even though he hasn't performed last for your Simon. We're constantly talking about in US soccer circles. Right, but don't don't read too much into the Marshall Gado thing because there is a transfer already worked out. That both New York City of see in Vancouver are going to partake in. It was sort of a situation where Vancouver wish they could have done the transfer on their own, but because the league has rules where non expansion teams can't make transfers before this expansion draft. Then they felt like they needed to really come to an agreement with one of the expansion teams in this case, New York City of FC to be able to preserve that transfer that they have lined up that they have not disclosed because of pending personal terms that needs to be agreed upon. So this is not all Marcel Gatto coming to New York City of seeing and being a player for for New York City of C. So let's not let's not get that mixed up and chance for NYC. Maybe get some extra location money. They have a lot of players. These teams have to fill a lot of roster space also making a move to get joss Williams for the Columbus Crew SC for allocation money as well. So now, they have Jeb Borowski and joss Williams going into this. Trade and a lot of trades going on around the league between already established teams one of the biggest ones the Portland timbers pickup, nap butchers and a trade from real salt lakes. I'm in he's an experienced defender. They already have Liam ridge. Well, they're they've made a couple moves at fullback today and trading away. Michael Harrington picking up the option of Alvis Powell who was on loan from Jamaica this year and starting to come together that back line that was so shaky for the timbers throughout the season. But look, let's remember that bore cher's played in behind Kyle beckerman and in front of Nick Roman do and I think that that Boras. He's obviously, very experienced. He's smart positioning as great as a as ability to an -ticipant is great. But I believe what you saw out of Portland from a defensive standpoint the misgivings. They've had is they allowed to many one on one situations. They the the central midfield of will Johnson Diego. Charter wasn't as. Effective as it wasn't yours pass. So you had a lot of situations where attackers were going at defenders one on one know what ever attack was go one on one against that borders. It's going to be a lot of the same things that you saw last year. So I again, I think it's. Based on what I've seen with my eyes and obviously Kayla porter has data and statistics, and you knows the team better. But based on what I've seen with my eyes. It's not it's been the fact that there's not been good enough teen defending, and that's what's expose them. Borjas as smarter less instinctive defender. So he's he's going to be he's going to be more settled in that position than just reacting to stuff which got like palm Hautacam, maybe you can look at him and say that's his game. Because of his physicality, I think I think Pomona oka- we're going to get to this. But he's one of those guys in the expansion draft that I think a team goes after because I believe that when he's on his game. And if he's paired up with the right guy, he he his physicality his ability to dominate another another forward an opponent's forward is significant, but I'm curious to see how the borders things. Go in Portland. I'm not going to jump on the bag on say. Yep. Now Portland's all defensive defensive issues are all solved. Now, I'm going to really wait and see on that one. I think one of the things Portland timber fans will be excited about with portrait is just the experience and the knowledge of the league in helping ridge well continue to settle and helping Powell develop. And now he has the chance to play in front of probably new goalkeeper gun international, Adam Larsson quasi coming out of Norway. He started the first game of the World Cup against the United States for Ghana. And then got dropped for the next two games at twenty six year old goalkeeper and a new move for them. Donovan RIC it's coming down. Now, he's been exposed in the expansion for Portland. So that whole back line could be changing for the timbers. And then you move back out east and the Philadelphia union we talked about trade with cool go down to Orlando. But they also pick up CJ Sapan for a first round pick from sporting Kansas City, and this was affiliated. We have talked about on this show consistently. If they could get that one striker they could be in the conversation for an EMMY last Cup run. Is this the player and where to CJ fit in Simon? I don't think it's I don't think it seizures on. I think he doesn't solve that at all. Sieges upon. I'd be interested to see if they give him a run as the central forward. I think in those early years in Kansas City. I was frustrated personally that supply didn't get enough time as the central striker that he was always one of those wingers, and I thought he calls more havoc because he can hold off defenders. He can hold onto the ball. Get other people involved and just be a pest. I thought he might be better at central. So we'll see we'll see if he gets that chance here. I'm just not impressed with the overall attitude. I've seen on the field from him. His just is just general disposition on the field. Just doesn't impress me. I don't know if there's physical issues that he's battled. Maybe in the last couple years that have that have led to that. But I just see I feel like I've seen a lot of sulking and just not the same energy not at the same determination the same guy out to prove himself that we saw in the first year. So. So I'm not if I'm a Philly fan. You know, again, this is another wait and see wait and see moves and force a pie maybe for him. It's just a chance of getting another shot getting a fresh start. We know that Andrew Wenger came into Philly off of you know, some struggling times in Montreal and had a very good season last season. And for all of your trade coverage. Go to Emma soccer dot com. There's the trade tracker up and help you stay on track with everything that's going on so many traits coming down today. We don't have the time to go over at all. And that's because some other big news broke at the end of the day and David just to be clear the half day window was opened on Monday. So teams could kinda get their houses in order before the expansion draft and have players that they wanna have on the roster and get rid of others, and and just make make Missouri moves in anticipation of the expense. But we glossed over the acquisition by the timbers of the goalkeeper and another team acquired a goal key. On this day. Joe Willis arriving in Houston from DC in my opinion. I've been Joe Willis fan for a long time. He is a he's a starter. I think he goes to Houston, and he's the starter. But when you when you see team go out to Norway to get a goalkeeper. And then you see a like Joe Willis who's been on the Ben's bench for couple years now. And now finally gets the opportunity, and it's just interesting to see the philosophy of teams. I still and the maze that in the United States. We have teams using international sponsor goalkeepers. I just don't understand it. Frankly, we actually got a tweet about that about why. And it seems like MLS teams go out, and they get talented goalkeepers. And it kind of doesn't seem to make sense why they're going out and spending all that time scouting recruiting for that when they have the opportunity with so many talented American goalkeepers, but you mentioned the expansion lists. And let's get to that Simon. There's a lot going on this week Wednesday is the expansion draft. And every team had the opportunity to protect eleven players homegrown players generation Adidas players were automatically protected. So they didn't have to be on either list. And then we get a chance to see the unprotected lists. And we get a chance to see who Orlando city New York City have the chance to pick up in this expansion draft Simon. Let's start from the top talk about a few of the players who are a few of the top players that stick out to you. Well, again, it depends. How you're looking at this. If we're looking for starters, I think there are several here. And when you think about it, we're talking about twenty players of two hundred forty that are going to be picked here because each of the two teams New York City in Orlando. They have ten picks each. So I think they're going to come away with fend tastic players when we look at just starters. I mean when you have a guy like Corey Ashe leftback Chris ringer leftback. Those have got to be up there because left backs are hard to come by. Although senior city already stocking up there on fullbacks. Palm odu to mentioned does a defender Ned grab voi- in midfield. I think is is a valuable commodity. Who knows if maybe adjacent crise coached them would go after him Lewis Neil in DC intrigues me. Jackson from Toronto easy, proven winger always causes issues. Danny cruz. I think is a guy who if even if he's not your regular starter. As maybe someone you want on your roster. But those are the the more veteran group, Stephen keel at centreback along with palm Otacac, so centreback you can address it there with those guys. But there are so many young players that I would make sure I get a couple starters of one of these teams. And then make sure I stock up on talent. I think Philly have two guys that I would snatch immediately Lael Fernandez and paid for me those two attackers. They are fascinating players. I think they have a future. Kenny Walker in the holding mid spot. The guy who really can be the conductor of to set the. Pace of the team a little bit like Kyle beckerman. I like him. He's with the elegance who haven't seen a lot of him. Patrick Mullins the rookie who we saw played really well at Melissa Cup. He's another guy there are several fullbacks here. When I look at a Mark Blum Dylan rempac Carlos SALCEDO when we're talking centrebacks to me. He's he's starting centerback. I know there's a little bit of controversy right now real Salt Lake, but I believe that cell say deserves a chance a chance to start Michael zero guy who started in the midfield for Seattle. So many guys I think here without you. Don't even have to say, you gotta take a chance on these guys because I think they're that talented that I think they can contribute right away. Not. I'd be shocked if Orlando passes on Brian Brown, and I think that second list of the guys the guys you're really going to see go the Dylan remnants and the Chris Korb's the younger players who can get production out of. And you have to remember that these two teams already have players in place. So maybe holding midfield. Not. Position with Andrew Jacobson mobile Google already in place that these teams are looking at. But I think Chris wingers one for me, a New York City native who's played under Jason Kreis all those years at ourselves that I think he's definitely going to look for cell Saito as well you said, and we know he has that issue with ourselves. But he doesn't it wasn't an issue with playing MLS. He wants to play in this league. He was just having trouble coming to terms there. So maybe chance for him to move and stay in the league. And then the one thing to think about that we've seen before is taking players that you know, other teams will wanna come in and trade for you. And a chance to pick up those players, and then continue to move, and we'll in deal as you build your roster's, one of the ones players, you mentioned was Patrick Mullen. So I really interesting, but I gotta ask you Simon one big question. One big name on this list has Eddie Johnson DC United not protecting him. He had a great year two years ago for Seattle struggled this year on the DP money. Do you take that risk on him? I think based on what you've seen this year. I don't know how you can feel comfortable with that to be honest. You know, we know he's a high salary. We know he's had some injury Knox here. And there he's not been his he's not been himself. And I think you wanted to see if you're one of these two expansion teams you wanted to see him have continued to ride that wave with DC that he had in Seattle, and you just didn't see it, and I didn't even see intimate now that could be the kind of team he was playing for. We've had that the Bates route twenty fourteen is just DC that's the way they play. And so he doesn't show up well in that kind of setup where they're, you know, they're really not serving giving him a lot of service. I I I wouldn't I wouldn't pick them. I think these other guys the younger guys Lael Fernandez rebate. We'd haven't talked about jump for ndas. Why think played really well for Vancouver car Robinson was counting on him there at the end. I know he has a four-game suspension to start the year. And I believe. He was on loan, and there might be a transfer involved. But if you're a team that wants a guy who can really eat up minutes for you. He's another guy. I just think there's so many other guys out there. Why would you why would you be take a gamble on on any Johnson who we've seen ups and downs all throughout his career? And if you're an expansion team, you don't have time for that. And any Johnson playing for DC United United made a couple of traits today moving around some international spots and make sure to check that out in. This is going to be an exciting week. Of course, a lot of these players that you look at this list, and you start to question now, they're spot on the team because a player like rice in Bali Simon. They moved a lot of peace around to get him into team him. Zach mcmath both available for the Philadelphia union. Even if they don't get taking does this tell you a little bit about their standing on their their club. Well, I think rice and bully is is not a like if I'm looking at him. Mm-hmm. If I'm the union, and I say, let's leave them exposed. I don't believe it's a huge risk that someone's going to take first off based on some of the moves already made goalkeeper by by both teams and taking salary considerations into into into effect into consideration. The fact that he's a DP, and I think these teams are being very measured with the how they approach their DP's. And they wanna obviously, I don't see NYC FC blowing DP spot on rice and bully. And you don't you know, when when Orlando has tally hall, you don't see them needing rice symbol. So when you look at it that way, it's a low risk. So I wouldn't know to say for sure that that is a statement about their feeling about race in bully. It is interesting that if you look at that, they're protected players. I don't know that you could argue with many of them, but there is an eastern white in there, who's protected Jim curtain showed that he really liked down the stretch out centreback and. I really like him. I'm really shocked. He hasn't gotten more time. So. But again, so we allow rice symbol it'd be on. I don't think anyone's taking him and so- remind you in these rules. If one player gets taken from your list, you're now allowed to put another player on your protected lists. And only team can every team can only lose two players max in this draft institution. Where rice and bully was picked Philly. What have the opportunity to move act mcmath into their protected list at that point if that's what they chose to do. And that's all going to happen on Wednesday and coming up next. We're going to jump into the mail vacc-. What you guys thought about all of these moves about what year teams are doing your questions and comments here on extratime radio and MLS soccer dot com and Sirius XM channel ninety four. Urine courage to even extra time. MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with any comments questions orientations. Hey, this is Bobby Shuttleworth for the New England Revolution. And you're watching. You're listening to extratime radio. Back here on extratime radio in New York City. I'm David Goss joint side Simon board and Simon last night. I know you were traveling back from MLS Cup tire carrying the whole MLS team on your back. But I was at home watching a little bit of television. Something I know that you will like it was called eaten alive. There was a man who traveled down to the floating force in the heart of the Amazon because he built a special suit and wanted to be eaten alive by an Anaconda and people were upset people were upset a week ago because they thought that it was an animal rights crisis and people were upset yesterday because in the end sorry from spoiling for you. He didn't actually get eaten that is fascinating. I did see the commercial spot promoting it. And I thought it was fantastic. But he asked out of it. Yes. So in the end, he built a special suit and the Anaconda coils around you and uses its muscles. To to take the life out of you. Let's just say, and then it begins to each you. And he wanted to then be eaten and in the end, the Anaconda would've regurgitated him because he's too big for the Anaconda which had to be twenty five feet to be able to fit a person. But in the end as the coiling was happening one of his arms. He lost the feeling in it, and he asked Al hea tapped out because they were in the zoo setting and all of his friends came in and pulled the Anaconda, which actually surprisingly wasn't as hard as you think it would be. And so in the end he doesn't actually get eaten and people were pretty upset. So ultimately, the guy's a fraud. And look it's telling me that you watch the show, and you don't even know the guy's name. He doesn't deserve that his name is remembered because what did he expect the thing is going to try to make sure your lifeless and then consume you, and how did he think it was going to go? And if he was in the Anna show, he was banking on getting regurgitated. Yes. It sounds like a good tease material. But I would absolutely be frustrated. I agree with everyone else's frustrated. And by the way, sorry for the spoiler alert for anyone who recorded that. But for anyone who wants to watch anymore and for Simon. I know you love this type of thing. It's men up week on Discovery Channel. So check out your TV guides for that anymore. Anaconda feedings with humans. Let's jump back to MLS and one of the players. We didn't talk about when talking about the expansion. Jeff to of course is extremely attractive Diego Gundi who the New England Revolution left unprotected. But Brian below tweeting out here that we executed a trade with Orlando and NYC which will result in DA go not being taken in the expansion draft. He'll be with the New England Revolution next year. So that takes him off the board Simon. And I think that makes a lot of New England Revolution fans happy, of course, doesn't make them. Happy is the result that happened yesterday on Sunday losing in the MLS Cup. Two one to the galaxy. And Simon NADA scoreline that surprises. You get a tweet from Francisco Perez. Says Simon Borg the oracle of queens. Apparently you called it on the spot to one in overtime. I got lucky this time. I'm not one to Pam. I know you guys think I've Pat myself about things right which I normally do. No just to be clear that was not a question submitted by Francisco pairs, it was a statement. Okay. So let's get back to the questions bothering Kathy burger tweet at us. And I know this one will interest you over under- on L D being a similar size to the original Renaldo in eighteen months. First off, let's not bypass the crying, Landon, which we didn't see tears. I did we see tears on on the weekend. I didn't personally in the viewing that I saw. But I wasn't there. And I didn't get as much footed not cry. But when it comes to the waistline, I think eighteen months is too aggressive. I think he'll need to three years to get there. But part of me wonders with what we saw him kinda. He's looked like he had a few pounds on earlier in the year. And they jersey was looking tighter on them, then than usual. So I'm not sure he has the metabolism where everything gets burned. I think he can he's very capable of putting on a few pounds. And he. Seemed in the post game press conference. He like he was relishing the fact that he wasn't going to train anymore. So I don't know how much he's going to keep in shape. And I wonder though, if he in the back of his mind is wondering people expect me to get that. Let me make sure I don't. So it's it's to me. It's going to be fascinating. I'm gonna watch every appearance. I can of Landon Donovan to see what's going on there. Because I think it's possible. All right. Well, we'll have to see how that one goes. I think a lot of people less interested than you are, but Simon you'll keep us up to date on that question coming in here from at go Vos broadly, Greg Spradlin on Twitter, and he says, can you explain it? Please explain future considerations on the podcast future considerations. A lot of what the trades that went down on Monday had going in one direction Simon. What does that mean? Essentially, the two teams they have general agreement on a on a deal, and maybe there's just a little bit. Sway the deal either way. It's just minor details. It's just dotting the is and they do that with an exchange of maybe an insignificant amount of cash or or or draft pick or or something that we never even hear about after the Fisher considerations. Usually mean, nothing they exist in other sports, and they're never a big deal. All right. So the expansion Jeff coming up on Wednesday, go to MLS soccer dot com for all your coverage of that as well as the aftermath from MLS Cup. All that information. I'm a less soccer dot com. And we'll be back after the expansion draft to cover it and talk about all the moves that occur on Wednesday in beyond for Simon Borg for Nick, I shot Matt Doyle and Andrew we out in California for me. David goss. Thanks so much for listening to extra time radio. And I'm soccer dot com and Sirius XM channel ninety four.

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ExtraTime Radio: Third Rail President Chance Michaels (NYCFC), Kristy Olychick (Vancouver Bird Flipper)

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ExtraTime Radio: Third Rail President Chance Michaels (NYCFC), Kristy Olychick (Vancouver Bird Flipper)

"I don't like this business of preaching fans. Calm down. Greg at soccer soccer. Anything else? I got a lot of. Matt of you in the stadium watching the guy's not good guy. You're just not good at. I don't know if you're your New Year's resolutions. But you don't wondering if maybe you pledge to come out of your shell little bit two thousand fifteen his knee off. Oh from New York, New York. You are listening to extra time radio MLS soccer dot com. Siriusxm f c channel ninety four. We'll as always the news with MS always David Goss and a enforcer the soprano Simon Borg here. Has cracked up full even his lifted. Zip tracks a little bit of shirt showing under which regionally thousand undershirt which was even and he looks like he's the. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever bounced? We've been bouncer never bounced have you ever been taken bouncer. Yes. People. You're standing out in front of a restaurant like wait inside. And somebody just comes up to you and says gives you their ID. Hey, man can answered didn't happen. But I've been like a been approached like a I was once a clothing store for women and. Have a great story. My wife is in their shopping. So I stay near the door. And they thought that I was like security. They ask you for serve it like some sort of help offer you a chair on. You've had that happen to you in a store security, everyone not security in my case. It was security because of my makeup. But in your case, I mean, you're working in a store you're buying something in a store. No one approach to hey. Yeah. Probably in a grocery store either way, regardless of that. We've got a big show for you here on this Thursday, two guests, first of all we're going to have chance Michaels, the president of the third rail on of course, Sunday is the very first home game for NYC's going to tell us all about what they've got plan. What's going on with the supporters group all that good stuff? And then we're also going to have a very special guest Kirsty Ola chick from Vancouver. You may know her better as the Vancouver white can't Whitecaps fan that flipped Josie outdoor the bird. So we're going to bring her on ask me a little bit about that. And have her help us preview. This Chicago Vancouver game on Saturday, very excited for both of those plenty to talk about I was asked her who she is to flip on the fire. Yeah. Couse either. So that's right. Chicago. Or if she would ever, you know, expand in the court Brazo, and by the way, Robbie Keane. Find for that exuberance celebration that just came out the disciplinary committee real quick before we jump into the show that we're going to preview all these games. They're gonna talk about the gold. Couple of details announced there. And then of course, the mailbag has got some good stuff in it on the scoreboard. And why maybe out of luck when it comes to copywriting or making sure that that thing is his and his alone. But first ban Assi Simon somehow the borgata seventy five points be the all you're bringing up the rear here. I was a tough week for you just starting slow and peaking in the playoffs. 'cause it's your. Your fantasy experts and you're out you're out smart. And I never fancy expert either way none of us did anywhere close to Morgan. Sanchez of straight read. He was the winner this week of the extratime radio league. He had one hundred four points. Congratulations. Morgan. I had a lot of people Email and tweet at me and say, look, I couldn't get into the league time. I just signed up. I forgot to do it and to head to head leagues. So you had to be in it from day one. Well, you know, what we've got you covered. I created a classically that starts in week two. So for all you stragglers, all you people that maybe haven't made teams yet jump into that one also called extratime radio that code listen closely here one one eight three four five eight six once again, one one eight three four five eight six both myself, and the time radio count have tweeted that one should we do a weekly account weekly league. I don't know that we can't. I don't think that's possible. Like. I don't think it's like starting a new one every week. In fifteen lease at one time. So it doesn't work that way. Kristie Neta had a good idea. He wants a prize at the seven work bobblehead that only shakes head. No and points finger accusingly he like it with a suction mount for his car dash. So if we can work on getting that produced that would be great. Let's jump right into the games though. Look Friday nights and other barn burner. Seven PM eastern Oni moss, Houston, hosting the Orlando city lions a big game to new not new teams and new to head coaches. I guess coming in what's our feeling on this one is Orleans getting their first three pointer here or is Houston going to keep it going for the home winning the crew last weekend. It'll be interesting because Houston sat back a lot against the crew. The crew dominated the ball Orlando's not going to dominate the ball. I don't think on the road in the same way, which I think means Houston has to open up a little bit. So there could be chances. They have to start Roach as the half to Storrow chest. Orlando ten yet. You cannot start re my friends, and you cannot revise again of top. I think because he doesn't. What he's doing? And you're losing opportunities that created because he's offsides consistently because he's just not a natural striker. So I think that's the big question. What we didn't talk about from Orlando last game, which I think was huge is the center think a coup go in equa- equa- agreed to eat. He. Renna those son. I believe that's what people I've heard that going around. Yeah. I think it's right though. The New York Times published it, and I really pegged them for some people that don't have any if you know out there. What does not get some Columbian background? We'll research before we go and Simon he mentioned the reach us reversal Rochas. I think they'll go reverse again because I just think you don't bench him that soon. He's a young guy. I think he is trying to build up his confidence early on here. But I think at some point if he doesn't produce they we'll go to Rochas because he's just a little bit better on the hold up side. But he mentioned the dynamo. It's another Scottish head coach where we Scottish background. They're pretty much playing the same. Aren't they is that should that be an issue for Denham offense? If they look at it and say, we look awfully similar. It's just one game. But I mean, I think as a coach if you spoke to coral say give me the season, but based on the one sample, they do look, very similar. I mean, we talked about the lineup is essentially dental. They played very similarly. I think they lucked out with against the Columbus Crew. So I wouldn't be surprised if. Orlando city go into their first road game win in Houston. And I'm banking on what you said, David. They are going to have more space to work with. And I still would go with roaches though. That's this. It's going to be the big question going into this game for them. Do you go then reverse? With Neil off. Well, there's two big questions. There's that. And then they're centreback really in colleague pines in Saint Leger. I mean, I don't think that wants to hard to figure out with them. It would be not comical, but it would be interesting if they they went out, and they sold a Koogle coming Orlando's could play center men and went up Tim game to you and said, hey. Hey that position that you thought you left behind we talked about Louis Neil playing it left mid being an asset in that. He pinches in its allows the overlap I think in this game. You wanna get it Houston so quickly. You don't have time for overlap. You don't have time to wait for Brexit overlap. You gotta go. And I think if you have riverside on that left wing. I mean, that's the way I would go again only fears that the one goal that Houston did score against the coup came through Sarkozy at right back making run up the crews left side if anybody can cross Cody can keep up with those guys musical and coal wants them to attack. He wants them to push. All right. Let's move onto last last little Brickley here from the very quick research on Wikipedia. It says Rene Ekita's children and aimed Andress Panella Wilfred. And Cindy, so. Chris is long for Cindy, maybe no force in New York Times into a career might we might that's going to be. Of course, we're looking at Wikipedia and taking that the gospel. So take that for what it is. Look Sunday brings another header when we're talking national TV games with MLS this one five PM eastern ESPN two. It is the big game. The first game for NYC Yankee Stadium. They're going to take on the New England Revolution. It looks like Lee win is going to be back. Of course, your main Jones will not be he's busy posting on Instagram about you know, art that he's making and sweet leather jackets that he wears he's killing LA right now, which is a whole another story in Tirlian, but he's getting some family time in the big news right now here in New York around this game centers around the field. The new York Daily News put in y CFC on their back page under the headline the sod couple. I'm pretty sure they rented a helicopter flew over Yankee Stadium and took pictures of the field. That's how big a deal this has become to share a first baseman slugger. Mark to Shera. Yes. For the Yankees. And said, look, this is not going to be great this this relationship addressing crisis come out and said, they've got plenty timely. It's seventy two hours Yankees have shirts that everything's gonna be. Okay. But they couldn't even give a namedrop on the headline to share over. Why CFC coach that's a slight? That's a slight not. It's a good introduction to the to the market back page you baby. This sees like his name. I don't know. That's not the headline or you're going to be ad line. Writer is NYC coach or boss because if it's NYC AFC boss, I'm actually okay with that. Got to skip this give the skies. Let them ease into the back page business into the back in imagine that Jason Kreis in the new York Daily News. We'll have a strong relationship seems like the type of publication he'd really be into could. I could see that one. Probably not a well, look, it's a big game for them. Can they win it though? We're going to have chance Michaels on here in just a second. He'll talk to us about how the fans are preparing but house Jason Kreis repairing and can actually pull this thing. New England, very good team didn't Nestle show in Seattle. And I think they're probably still going to be missing the guys. They did Goodell. Didn't look that fresh in the first game in Seattle. I look at that team. And if you can contain Kellen row for the most part, I think you should be. Okay. I think there's nothing that forgiveness. Didn't really look no to some injuries. She has an injury issue. So I think they are depleted enough. That NYC FC has the perfect opponent to start the season at home. Now, look there was another little bit of news here. We're going straight back Instagram. A fan got a picture with mixed disco rude and Kyrie Shelton at a bed bath and beyond. What's the where's the top place? You would Simon's a personal confident. Mr. where's the top that you would want to to meet up like, where's the place that you would never expect to see the Newseum Europe on that Upper West side all the time. That's where Mick says he's living. Dave where where do you expect to see him while you're gonna joints? Now. You're gonna seeming twain re because he's going to be getting hair product at two AM. And that's the only thing that's open or Westside market getting his kale chips at two AM because that places twenty four you expect him to do that we'd be questioned with specific least where where will you out of at a brother Jimmy's getting some ribs in before the game? Well, let's bring on Michael's right now. The president of the third rail we're very happy to have him. He's been waiting for years for this moment. And it's almost here chance. What's up, man? Oh, hi. I'm glad to be on. So let's just start with the basics on you, man. You're the president. You're the head honcho. Of course, the the group is bigger than one, man. But how did you? Get into this thing. How did you end up in this position? What's your what's your background with the beautiful game? Well, the group is very much bigger than one man. But as for my own part, I grew up playing the game in the seventies and eighties. Actually, remember going to see Cosmo's games. At the Meadowlands. But then as I grew out of of playing it and moved into being famous spectator. There really wasn't a domestic product for me to watch. Fortunately, this kind of coincided with the rise of the internet and the internet internationalization of the game, and I was able to to pick up on England and sort of following arsenal pretty much as soon as it was really possible for a kid in the US to start following arsenal. And I've been a fan for twenty years. So then when MLS started up, I kind of touched touch base with a couple of times. But it it never really really clicked with me. And then a few years ago, we it became known that unless was gonna move into New York City, and that was going to be the expert expansion franchise, and I was. Was you know, I was taking a lot of us. And this is how the third got started. A lot of us responded to the initial announcement that the expansion team had been granted by going on social media, Twitter, and Facebook, and blogs, and and trying to find other people who really shared their sense of excitement at just the very very announcement. So there's a couple of you who on social media wanna give behind this team. But how do you now take the next step and say, okay, we got support supporters group is it how does it start? How do you sort of supporters group? It started. It started online and started on a bunch of people sort of gathering together and saying I'm excited I'm excited you to we had one person who very boldly claimed that his Twitter handle was going to be the Twitter handle of the official support is group, and this is way back into very very beginning. And he just did it, and we we coalesced around that we moved into into having physical meet ups we had. At a big party at legends. And I I sort of sat downstairs before the I'm getting feedback. I don't know if that's no that's just a New York thing. It's a radiator banging as the coming up. Generally, we try to tape around that. But you know, sometimes the banging has has to be to be dealt with. So if you start meeting up, maybe a radiator bangs and your meet up and show, we had our first physical get together after months and months of talking online at legends bar near the Empire State building. And I'm sitting downstairs beforehand really kinda wondering who's going show? You know wondering if there were there really were other people who were as excited by the prospect as I was and it was fantastic. And we got a couple dozen people come out, and this is this is still a full year before the team was ever gonna take the pitch and tell me the other finalists names third rail is a great name for a supporters club. I think a lot of people. I think the same way, but what were the other? What were the other finalists the next closest was new Amsterdam army? But really nothing clicked quite the way that they're real. Did. We really wanted something that you know, that had a local flavor, obviously. And you know, kinda speak to the the the passion and the enthusiasm and the littoral electricity that we wanted to bring to the stadium. So we had a vote amongst the people who were interested in joining the group at that time and third row was the foreign away the runaway winner give me an idea of who who you guys are what were you drawing from where people coming from what kind of age groups is how varied is this group where was the farthest member of the third rail? Maybe it's an incredibly diverse group, and one of the things that I've said all along I wanted this group to be as diverse as the city that we represent I'd say about eighty five percent of our members are from the city itself or the near suburbs, Westchester SR or just over the Hudson. We do have some far-flung members though, we've got we're gonna member in Japan who get a couple of strata a few in England. But the vast majority are our local which is fantastic for us because we. You know, those people who are actually able to come to the games and come to the events and really make the group work. And so how many numbers are we talking about right now chance we have almost eighteen hundred individual members. So I'm assuming those will be packing supporters section if you don't know for those of you out there listening it is behind left field at Yankee Stadium. Kind of on that second tier why why the second tier I read something that you guys got to choose that spot. Is that right? Well, we worked with the club to help shape where the group was going to sit and we're in their four sections of Yankee Stadium that are designated supporters sections and two of those the middle two are set aside for third rail members those are sections thirty six to thirty seven if you're familiar with stadium, and partly that was driven by the numbers that we hope to have those sections were kind of fit. Well, we thought we'd be able to sell and sure enough our section to thirty six sold out in pretty quick order. There are couple of tickets left in two thirty seven. But those my not even last until until Sunday's game. We gotta ask you chance is eighteen hundred is big enough to fund a T faux or. You guys have something store. We have something in mind. That sounds like he's not going to give us any hits. I can respect one of the things. I think a lot of casual fans or or non NYC fans out there in molest saw were some of these rules floating around the internet about what you guys can. And can't do what what people in general at the stadium, can and can't do can you give us any insight into the validity of those imitate? You might have where does that stand? Sure. Well, I think what what was leaked was sort of an intermediate process in negotiations that the club was having on our behalf with Yankee Stadium with the entity that operating stadium and they've the club. It's been incredible. They've been very very supportive of what we're doing and trying to help create the help us create the best environment. We can in the support or sections you stadium, for example, one of the things that was an early early. Request of ours is Yankee Stadium wanted every person. To have an individually numbered tickets. They wanted to sell, you know, specific seats within the support section. We were looking for something a little bit more free flowing. We really wanted to get a general admission and the club fought for it on my behalf and got it. So now we have each of the four sections not just our too, but the other two as well are general admission within that section. So hopefully, we can you know, create a more casual atmosphere than you would find. If you went to a Yankee game, certainly and there there are some of the the the limitations that were circulated on that list or not unlike what you have other venues, I went down with the third rail. I went down to to the Citrus Bowl to watch our first match against the city and the restrictions that they put on it learns of the same that Yankee Stadium was looking for some happy that we found a pretty good happy medium chance. I know you work at a law office and as outrageous requested this might be give us a. Sneak preview at one of the chance that will see that are original to the third rail. I'm sure no one will look a look at your in your office as you do this. Go ahead. Well, one of the ones that we've had a lot of success with is is a chance to the tune of knickknack, Patty wack goes in and sing it with me. Go ahead. NYC NYC we are in Weiss ESE from the Bronx all the way down to the battery. We are NY. Yeah. Spot in. He's. Taking it full bore. I'm a New Yorker. So let's help you make this the best support group in MLS. Sorry, we're we're well on the way to it. So what how do what what makes you guys different? So people listening to this Hort from the New York metropolitan area. What do they do to join what can they expect? If they're members of third rail. Well, first of all it's how they join. You can get information at our website, which is WWW dot third rail dot NYC reservoir, the members actually sold through our online partner at upper ninety probably information and the link is on our website. And what that gets us that gets you an entrepreneur only into our sections at Yankee Stadium, but the events will be having throughout the season and beyond. We're gonna have a way a match viewing parties most of which will be at our our way Barnard Smith, and we'll have you know, other events and and opportunities to to meet with the club throughout the. You're now chance for those people that are going to be there on Sunday. I'm pretty I have tickets. I don't know if Simon's gonna make your journey think David will probably be. We won't be in the section, but will be keenly watching where would people who wanna be a part of that supporters side or have supporters tickets or just want to get together with you guys before the match you're going to do some sort of March into the stadium. Is there a bar or a meeting spot outside? We're having a pre game party at Dili's sports bar, which is age fifty six or river avenue. That's river river avenue and a hundred and sixty I sort of kitty corner from Yankee Stadium. We're gonna start there at one pm and then at three thirty we're going to begin our marched Yankee Stadium. Plenty festive than the games at five pm for those of you who didn't hear about or haven't paid attention ESPN two. It's the first of that doubleheader on Sunday chance Michaels, the president of third rail much, thanks man for jumping on with us on short notice and even singing at your that is so great that you had chance you won over so many people with that one person for sure speak for anybody else. But thanks, we appreciate it. It's my pleasure. Thank you much. Thanks to chance there. Simon predictably coaxing a song out of them. Well, I think it's easy as a fellow NYC fan for Siamese. Whoa. You said you showed your colors said the interview, I'm showing my color New York colors as a New Yorker, I want to see New York succeed at what they do. And if you've never been that enthusiastic about the rebels. I'm just saying, oh, no. I have I have. But let me ask you this, David. Yes. Where are you going to be sitting at the game? I dunno. Definitely. No. I don't know where this is going to say is there a distinguishing factor about the? Yeah, I'm sitting in the New England Revolution supporters. Oh, yes. I don't think we need to comment on the jets to jump into the Sunday. You're gonna watch that NYC game. Then you're gonna watch Portland LA seven pm, FOX one FOX deport still Nova. Larry still no will Johnson for the timbers. They got Nick Roman owed once again for draw in week one. What the question here for me is forward, and what do you do at attacking midfielder? If you're Caleb porter. You're at home. I think this is a possible statement game for them. You wanna say look just because we don't have the just cause we don't have. We'll Johnson doesn't mean. We're going to be scrapping for the six seven seed or whatever it may be in the west, but ATI? Yeah. You probably are audio DOT ruthies goals per ninety last year was number two in the league behind only Bradley Phillips point seven six game. And I know we got thrown on situations where they were just push push pushing. But is there a time when you go away from ATI or is he just the walked in starter? I think he is partly because he's a DP, and I think partly. Because I think route is carved out an off the bench sub kinda roll where with his energy. That's really what he brings. I think when when you have them across sixty seventy eighty minutes. I don't I don't think he's as effective. So I like him coming in as as a punch, and I don't know that that killer is going to be ready to give up on the team that played ourselves last week because I think he believes they played very well he said they played well enough to win. They did create enough chances. It's going to be interesting to see if they can replicate that game against the LA galaxy team who you don't aren't used to seeing against the ropes and oursel- were against the ropes for large stretches of that game. So at what point does porter say with two of his major starters injured that I can change formation while this time is happening. If you're now getting results, why do you have to play for two three one? I mean, I think it's too early to say that I I think the formation aspect is fine. I don't know that I would put Darlington Negbi in that center attacking role in the. Midfield. I just think he's better in that open space out wide. I think he's just more effective. And that's where he's more confident right now, I just in the center, and then able to go on either side to over Rieter overlook agreed. But who who then Asprilla is he really the answer outright? If he's not going to play out wide. I I've liked spree. I personally rather see got Fernandez in the middle for now. And then you pull got though, like sixty minutes in and then you move nag inside. And all of a sudden it's a match up that those guys in there used to who knows? I'm sure actually, by the way, gotta gotta female version of kit is he's got. Yeah. Like this. Well, I didn't. I think got this female got those male. So he goes by the female, just that's baffling from. We'll be back with that. In just a second back with more on the weekend. And the gold cups unicycle. Want to hear from you? You're encouraged to even extra time MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with any comments questions orientations. Engine fail from New England in extratime radio. Joe smith. Birkenau on extra time radio with the guys Simon board and David Goss. I am Andrew we we're into second. We're gonna be joined in just a second by Vancouver Whitecaps fan Kirsty Ola chick. She is. She is the one that flipped the famous bird to Josie out that we're very happy to have her. Help us preview this here, but time did you get an answer on our conundrum about. Oh, got you. The internet as well. As native Spanish speakers have confirmed that it is a female version of the cat. Now. We're trying to find out why he has that nickname. But see that's the next sparingly common Argentina. But is it because they always land on his feet. I wonder what's different about the female get. Yeah. Cat gets. With respect to the male cat that you'd be got is is a nickname. They give two goalkeepers a lot because around a lot. Around. I don't know what the female cat does that that milk. It's don't also that it was pretty similar. Let us know. Maybe you guys have cats out there. And you know, the difference. You can let us know. Let's start with Chicago Vancouver going to run through the rest of these MLS games before we get to the Gold Cup. This one's at six pm on Saturday TSN one for all our fans up in Canada in live for those here. And you know, what there's nobody better to help us preview than curse all chick. She is calling in friv- and couvert won't be at this one. But still gonna watch. I'm sure Kirsty. How's it going? Anger here. How we are doing very very well. I mean, everybody loved the photo that thing went viral extremely quickly. But my first question for you has to be who is the person or people before Josie that you last flipped off because that seemed pretty natural based on the photo. I have a tendency to sometimes do that on the pitch myself to other opponents when I'm playing against them. But I generally try not to do in everyday life situation. Overlooks that sneaky. Now, you were you're on the behind the goal looked like what what role were you serving there behind the goal where you media where you part of the supporters group. What was your what was your partners? The point is good. It's outsiders, and I am a capital on the field occasionally. And I was representing the second test and just happened to be sending behind the net when that shot went. And so did you were you surprised when all the media requests started coming in because we're kind of late to this party to be honest with the, you know, Toronto Sun interviews, I've seen you in USA today. I mean, you know, you're making the rounds. Gercy I've seen it actually in Ireland and UK's. Well, they've done reports themselves. It's very shocking. I overwhelmed completely off guard by all of this. And I didn't even know that was being taken. So for to take off like this is just sports me. So you a little bit of a celebrity within the Whitecaps quarters. No. I mean. You have to be right. Yes. Some of them some of them. No me from beforehand just representing this. Oh sater's and being on the field represented him as a Cafo. And yeah, I've gone a lot of positive feedback, thankfully, so when you're in the public like this getting all this media that you must have had ten minutes where you're thinking to yourself. I I gotta take advantage of this. How do I how do I turn this around? There's I have not been prompting anything. But yes, there's been talk of people and some t-shirts I personally was the very beginning. What kind of a little bit shock than almost as appointed myself that I would call them camera Cameroonian, there's not high when represent myself, nor this oh siders nor the white cat. But you know, if people are positive with it, and mainly outdoors happy with it, or, you know, finds it funny, then that's okay. I'll just roll with it. On his wall and attorney I think he was talking about getting this thing framed no home game for you guys this weekend. We're gonna leave the preview are up to you. Go into Chicago is this is this the first one of the season. What are you looking for in this game? Our Chris Carter. I hope we're gonna take the free points way. Because I was at the game we wanna season their game away. And it's a great stadium. Great team that play their lease to have Matt Watson on the team who now plays for Chicago. And I really hope that we take the three points that I think it's well deserved and the Whitecaps enemies and team and before him and the ones these added right now are just great. And I can't wait to see if you more local doctors and that. Josie goal was the fact that he shifted punning style. And that's really a slap in the face in soccer. Tim's that's slap in the face. The content of orders more that is the off in the face St. the goal with beautiful my ship. I've done it myself on soccer pitch not to the audience that he has. But I can definitely respect that goal. Because before you let you get back to work here. Final results for the Vancouver Whitecaps this season. What give us a prediction here? How's it going to go down? I think we all enjoy watching the team. There are live team. We have a making the playoffs. How far they go. Were the first Canadian teams as well. So I think we're going to do again this year socially with the players we have. And I'm hoping we're to be third place if at least fourth place and have a home playoff game. That'd be great. Maybe getting rolling come Kober. And November you never know Kirsty on the tick will be there. Thank you so much Kirsty for joining us. Know, it's it's great to talk to you in great to connect the voice with with the photo. Thing here. Thank you very much. Big thanks to Kersee for being a good sport with us. They're good stuff from her on the caps as well. Let's keep it rolling down Saturday. This is also a Canadian team and they're going to Columbus. It's the Trillium Cup. Maybe Columbus in Toronto seven thirty pm on Saturday TSN to and MLS live. I found out the other day. What Trillium actually is? It's a flower of both of the city's. Yeah. I knew that it doesn't sound like a flower thought it was like some rare metal that they had the Cup out of. Anyway, this is kind of one of those fledgling rivalries in molest crew fans. I'm not sure on board with that necessarily. They just think that Toronto fans are a little bit annoying when they rolled on a numbers. Toronto fans, though, I here are a little bit bigger behind that. So both these teams in the east contenders. I think we can easily call them, but who is better prepared for the rest of the season. And what's the weak spot for both teams? I mean, I think you say Toronto is. Quipped in terms of just star power and winning the tight games. MLS? Lot of games. They have the difference makers. In terms of we sponsor Toronto. What's that? David. You think about Columbus real quick? I mean, it would have to be centreback. According to me, I think a lot of people pointed Toronto centreback situation even called wall struggled a little bit against Vancouver. Just seems like he puts himself in positions in the box where he's doing some reckless things. So he's not maybe doesn't have the physicality speed to keep up. And so you have situations in the box there when it comes to Columbus. You know, they're weak spot that I was. Simon knows every day micro. So I'm gonna start with Toronto. Because Simon's not good enough to do it himself. Say depth is the issue at Toronto if anything happens or if someone has to go to Gold Cup. I don't think there's any replacements in place like what committing sample like, I don't know. A player gets injured who like Steven Caldwell gets injured who's their next centreback Nikolic haggling. Oil's twelve are you coming down the list? Okay. Ben wash gets injured. So now, Colin Warner's starting sentiments and Michael Bradley goes to Gold Cup. Who's your starting Centerman calling Warner? And she probably they're not both out at that time. I think it's right back in centreback one crawl. I think it's a solid player. Plumes assault player all complete sentiment. The question is they didn't look great. That's what they targeted that. Right side in this in this game, the Vancouver Whitecaps that they had some success Rousey got a little bit fortunate on that side. You didn't get the Columbus dumped in demanding that to two things one is plan b they right now, they already said, it's an issue. We have to figure out playing be if it doesn't work if they're not playing in be in terms of if if they want to open up the game, they they opened up the game. They like to move the ball. They couldn't score against Columbus. Sorry against Houston. So what's playing being this is a native going on and the and the? The other thing is centre forward Kamar is supposed to be the guy. He couldn't finish game one. I don't think showing felt or bell are the guys either. So if Kamara struggles to score then they have a problem at centre forward. Votes. Move on Dallas and sporting Kansas City, eight thirty PM on MLS live. This is pretty much for me. The poem around verse blah's Peres bowl who comes out on top of this. When Palmer Brown is wider. Now, he's more physical than it has been in the year past, but this is the type of game where you figure blouse Peres looks across that line and says I'm gonna get up in this kid's grill, and I'm gonna make it as hard as possible for them. Do you make it tougher on them going forwards which they did in the first game? Do you go to the four to three one that they use so often last year? I don't know what you're the one question. I think I think you test them, I ka PA and Pomme Brian. They haven't had much time together. Of course, Beezer two yellows the red. He will not play house weekend. Yep. So yeah, I think that's the way you test Kansas City by having two of them. So I think you do what you did last year last week, and the finds his pockets he still finds a way to be, you know, who's going to be all up in Morrow d as short Roger Spinoza deals is not face respite in molest, obviously, the two did not necessary. Early coincide at least, I think that's right. We'll probably have a sporting KC fan and Dallas fan that emails in and tells me, I'm wrong either way, I think that. Radiator pipes in whenever someone's about say lie. That. Just talking. I think Angie is pretty excited for a brawl between Dallas and Casey. But let me ask you inciting violence do not put my name getting up in their shorts getting up in their grill. When you put Casio at center phone, don't you rob him of the opportunity? I didn't say he'd be at center Ford. Excuse me at Ford. They put Tesha at forward alongside Peres. Okay. Then I was just gonna ask the question. I think it doesn't take away his ability to run it guys. When when he has to play uptown. That's why seven says it won't happen. I don't know what do clinking. Philadelphia nine thirty PM less live, cedar Sapone, not plan this when he won't play for a while. In fact, he broke a bone in his face and got a concussion in that opener against the Rapids. That may mean the end of that brief four four two for failure. Which I personally think is a good idea to have Chris Madonna on the field from the very start one Ford top maybe Casey as a late edition of at least the can't get it done. But he's going to get it done. And that just one day if her came out and said he's going to if I said if our so probably going to be in the four three three for this one. They had some growing pains against the timbers still figuring it out. Kyle beckerman had some things that were very interesting go check him soccer dot com for those this one this one stuck out to me talking about the the diamond it is proven. But it's not what we do anymore. You have to move on. I guess sound like he's in a big hurry to move on. Of course, those roles were so concrete before but got to me that there was a wedding that went to the cell phone. Elon game. It was Tae-Shik Crowley and Jeff Holly. They brought their congratulations, folks. Yeah. Congratulations on they brought their whole wedding party to the Portland game. There are cell fans, but they live in the Portland area. So like timbers, but they rooted for our cell, and they said didn't Chris and everything this is legit. I mean, that's a wedding you have your party. And then you have the post game show Simon's that what's going to happen for you think. So at the revs game. I know I think I might destination wedding. Maybe go to a Trinidad Tobago super. Could actually be legit Trinidad and Tobago. Trying to what just made up a place sounded east appealing to watch a soccer game of high qual-. I'm sure it would be great there. I'm sure it'd be great Simon. Would you would you like, yeah? Where would you where would tour is? I mean, we know you're NYC hard. So to have your daughter, who's me greatest games probably have their own stadium at that point. Maybe weans in the mothership. Ooh. My daughter's going to accompany me for a long time. What? He's not gonna get married. Why are you why are you? Why are you taking long deprive her of joy in her life? That's. Let's bring more joy to her life. Certain kind of joy is they're going to be an arrangement you in control of the situation. What you're saying right now, you believe you're in control. I think is what we're getting. I think she'll make the right decision. Let's put it that way. That's what he says the folks that come out of the bar little drunk. You're gonna leave you're to stay to make the right decision. Last game of the night here on Saturday, Seattle, San Jose. Tim PM eastern most live. Let's keep this one simple guys Dempsey or Oba who has more productive year this year pure production who gets done Dempsey's taking Pecos. That's a good spot for him to be. I like. Morton's in this case because he's going to be around for gold. There's a big stretch there. I put it out there last year that I thought every was the best player in the hemisphere. I don't know if he's still is because that you who put it I put that out there. So it was out there around. The radiator staying quiet the radiators. Staying quiet. No innocent mcgary, probably in the eleven for San Jose. He's still recovering from that left shoulder injury. And other thing to watch in this game, Tyrone Mears will he have another good game for the Sounders some people saying that he might even be better than the Andrei Yellen, certainly more experience here with that. All right. Let us know what you think about the weekend as it happens. We've back on money to wrap it all up. Actually, I won't be. I'll be off. I'm getting some well deserved time. Oh this clanking radiator net claiming it is definitely deserved a little bit of a Finnish here for you before we get to the mailbag the Gold Cup. Details were announced in Philadelphia on Thursday. The reason for that Phillies going to host the final and the third place game to find it will be at the link third place game. We'll be PPO park. The groups are as such group a USA, Panama Haiti Honduras, or French Kiana, it will be hundreds. I assume so that's a pretty tough group of Panama one hundred Costa Rica, El Salvador. Canada Jamaica group, see Mexico, Guatemala, Trinidad and Tobago. Where in a few years time wall be for Neta gossips destination wedding and then Cuba. So toughest group. Here is the US. Right USA, Panama and hunters probably is not going to be a pushover. No, he's not not going to be pushing. And I hate it some point than these tournaments. They will make a run. I mean, they have so much talents. Abound to go right for them. Yeah. I think the US have a tough Candida equally. That's say groupie, Costa Rica, El Salvador, always gets great home crowd in the US Jamaica's playing well over the last World Cup qualifying and Canada. They're gonna play their third game at bmo field in Toronto. So it's going to be a home atmosphere. So that's a really interesting group as well could be Tofa. They lose the first two that'd be so friendly for them. Look if you want any news on the Gold Cup, if you want to schedule whatever details aplenty WW MLS soccer dot com slash Gold Cup slash twenty fifteen. That's where all the news is a couple of quick notes. Seventeen need a playoff to make it to use seventeen World Cup. So they're in a little bit of a tough spot and a big win for the women. Al Gore Cup championship. They got revenge over France. They lost two zero a few weeks back. They won the final two nil in the reverse to win the tournament. I think grow relation. I think you'd like the twenty second time like the sixteenth time Abby wombats won that tournament into the face because I think the critics look at a team like France and France beat him back. Missing the French though. So they were missing starters. But the other thing was a really tight tournament a lot of games short days. And everyone's like, France was tired. But that's what a World Cup is. It's it's a lot of candidates going to be a lot of travel because it's large distances, and it's a lot of games in tight amount of time. And so I think that's an added games. Yeah. I think that that goes in favor of the US that they were able to perform at the end of that. Well, congratulations to the US women. We come back in the mail bag the scoreboard the legality of the scoreboard is in question. We want to hear from you. You're encouraged to Email extra time MLS soccer dot com for tweet at extratime radio with any comments questions orientations. Hi, this is running gigs of munched United and y'all listen to extratime radio. Then. Extratime radio with the guy so organ David Goss a little bit different energy than the shots. Dave dropped in the last segment you wanna care to explain? John rule. It's been that one of the I think preeminent singers. Our generation shanty is going to be singing the national anthem at NYC AFC home opener. Ashanti Glen cove, New York native, very close to my town. So my hometown. So with Joe rule personally. But maybe he wore the national that could be really entertaining, maybe small possibility he might be currently in prison. I'm not sure though. So I don't know. I do math US Johnson Esquire on the subject of Simon Borg's score board, which still doesn't exist. Assignment is trying to bribe our graphic designer with with one choose go to bribe. Let's see Matthew says I find signs delaying getting the scoreboard running to be pretty humorous, but regarding the possibility of someone else's copyrighted the scoreboard and Simon claiming that he had the idea. I well, so you're out of luck. You can't copyright an idea. You have to get it published which you haven't oh, what if there's a dispute it has to be in federal court since copyright is a federal law and the federal law. Preempt state law. Sorry, simon. What keep your scoreboard? I don't care. I'll come up with a different name and good. It won't matter. Pronto Jodi sub yet. I think I'm gonna share it now on this show with everyone just waiting people are listening to this show. Just waiting for the Nettie they can copy, right? That's true. But actually it's going nowhere. You know what? Because of if this show doesn't get behind something like the scoreboard scope was going nowhere. So you know, what we're not going to give it couldn't get behind it because never prince use it. Here's what here's Dan Hagen, who's the one who quote, unquote, copyrighted it. Oh my God. So funny. Thank you, Andrew for doing the right thing and not telling Simon at least on air that that was all I will Chuck rest of my life. I pretty much suckered you into thinking your idea was gone in vain attempt to try to to actually produce thing. Listen I saw whiplash yesterday. And that's what that teacher would have done to inspire you to be better than you thought. You could be some of your clothes. So maybe move about whiplash gives us the whole plot away. Like, why would you go watch that like we know what I know what's going to happen before going in? Why would I watch it to tell me? What happens? What's the plot spoilers? Everyone spoilers for signs about to your. Agean and ever seen a bouncer. The scared scared. Boy has big dreams guy. Kid has big dreams joins the ultimate in terms of his field, which happens to be whatever music, drumming, whatever the orchestra, whatever. He's doing. There has the bad teacher to treat your drills them abuses them in the process. He does get a little better, but the abuses too much, and I mentioned something bad happens. Whether it's drugs or suicide got forbid or something sort of. I mean, he missed I think the point of it gives up in the end, I think they go their separate ways. I'm not gonna tell people the end of the movie. Yeah. Your name. Did he get close? I'd say close was on a scale of one to ten he's like a four and a half four and a half could be worse. Pretty average maybe Sydney in Wilmington, North Carolina. Goes you may have seen the story in kicker German magazine, Julian green, apparently was jogging back passing his way through Hamburg twenty three game. He got paying for it. I figured Simon would one of his drooling right now. The only thing you make him jewel more almond tapioca pudding. I can predict how movies go, and I predict this Julian Greene story how it's going to go. I told you how it was going to go months ago, and it is question Simon. So when let's say Jillian green doesn't cut it in the Bundesliga to become them allow any come. Where would we have act not back? It becomes to molest for huge money. How I wanna see all those people who love to point the finger at Freddie, you do. And how oh let's do. What's pretty do? I'll be the biggest do Becker out there. And I'll continue to do that. He's gonna bounce at his nightclub. This is perfect. I would I would bounce it for nightclub. Julian green? So glad we got that that just sentence makes the whole shift lean green is what you really wanna point the kid who was propped up by buyer Munich by the conservative establishment of a bind Munich by coach well respected world around the world like pep Guardiola who took them to the Champions League when he wasn't ready to a guy like you took him to the World Cup when he wasn't ready. And then look what happened don't give me. Freddie ado. That's the Julian green is the is the example of the of the flame out not I do not an example guys not playing soccer you still playing Swedish clubs wanna they want. Donna good. I heard a lot about the one thing. No contract yet. For freddie. You do look it's very early Julian green. We'll be the voice of reason here. This is not going well for him. Obviously. We'll see what happens. Where would you wanna see him MLS, though, that is a mailbag topic? I would like to hear act at extratime radio extra minimal Asaka dot com. Last one before we get out of here. Alan, Gordon, a quake. Fan guys come on all our faithful listeners they're more than ready to vandalize the podcast via t-shirt ball cap or beanie. It's well past time that you guys started selling ETR t-shirts get it done. We had this idea. We've about in the past. It hasn't been executed here. I think what we have to do is take stuff that is very very easy Centric. So we are century. We're going to make a t shirt that was like had a jam spoon on it. Even less that. I mean, you know, things that we talk about whether it's Elvis and poop, whether it's I mean, just random radiator off right there. I really feel whether it's the because it's true. Yeah. Whether it's a we had a little line going on in the office after the interview with the fan from Vancouver. I mean, there's stuff that we come up with that. I think we can coin scoreboard is going to be one of them. Yeah. Obviously. That's we're seeing shirt scoreboard comes out. Yeah. D'you real good. Yeah. I think I think the jams Poon's definite. I think fifty shades of grey with mother-in-law is a definite. I think we gotta find some that are outside of Simon Borg's category. Let us know what you think that's all here on this Thursday. Enjoy the action all the coverage at Emily's soccer dot com and right here on siriusxm. Channel ninety four. The guys Simon Borg David Goss big thanks to our guests real present chance Myers and Michael Michael's writing chance and then Kersee old chick for Vancouver. We're very glad to have both of you on you got her name right until next Thursday when I'll be back hopefully, still watch the show listen to the show on Monday. I'm stumbling through we'll see next time.

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Season 3 Episode 6 - House of the Dead

What The Suck?!

50:00 min | 3 months ago

Season 3 Episode 6 - House of the Dead

"To lane is the fourth hon. Production redo this collage. Now you're gonna leave it on that beach The poor on the pool. The movie has any redeeming quality whatsoever. Fucking road capital a so stories. Crappy may welcome back to what the suck my name is. James and with me always my partner in crime. My his name is what's up brother. Ease crease we. The greatest show on earth show some cussing perez on as right. Yeah what's up money anyway. We got episodes six today. These three episode's ace gone by so fast. Food is good. We're putting out some good product here. Hope everybody is enjoying it. Today's real fucking winter not even Oh god we're off the bat this to two thousand three action horror film called house of the dead. And if you have heard that especially you gamer types. It is based on the nineteen ninety-six. Light gun arcade game of the same name produced by now. Say a yeah yeah. I'm super excited. I have not seen this movie before. Neither have the big polish shit. I looking at the cover. It looks decent but it kind of looks like hell boy. It does with his face thing. I be i. I don't know stupid boy. Just off indian brooklyn. I wanna give a congratulatory shout because we just drew the name four september's giveaway. We certainly did. We're going to send a shout out already posted online but Give her a very warm. Thank you thank you for your support and your review. What's our fucking name dude. Miss karen a miller's right caroline thank you so much for your review we appreciate it. Thank you for entering. Think it's all those injured. Yes we appreciate it and even though you weren't drawn this time take heart. Guess because your entries are good for every contest this entire season including the granite way. That's right which is all twenty four movies. We will be reviewing this season. Yes huge huge giveaway and it doesn't cost anything no matter now. It does cost a little bit. But that's if you want extra entries because we have a patriotic. Oh that's true now on the patriot at the five and ten dollar levels. You get extra entries yes you do you get one month five dollars for every time your every month you're subscribing to for ten dollars. Every month you subscribe so not only. Do you get the extra entries. You get access to all the extra shit. Yeah they were putting up there. There's already a bunch of stuff up there. We got a lot more common stuff in the pipe. I mean we're we're investing in the show. We're putting everything back in the show that we get but like it's technically it doesn't cost thing. If you just do a review it counts as an entry and it carries for the whole season. So you might get lucky now. We're going to announce the by this time we've already announced it but let me reiterate. The new giveaway. This month is four. The sam figure trick or treat which is a fantastic. It's a great movie. It's neck figure which means that is high quality. Oh yeah it looks great. And you're you to get the color changing Heat changing colored thermal mug. It's a thermo mug. It pennywise appears as right That's bad ass. And all that for just assess review. That's right senator review simple reviews amidror of you take a screenshot since the to us at podcast at gmail dot com and another everything. I'm going to reach out to. I'm gonna choke somebody you motherfucker. I swear because you sit there you respond you. Say how cool but yet. We're not seeing those reviews. We want you to win these prizes right so just take extra bishop. Three minutes three. Give us a review. It helps us and for that you get free shit. That's right so give us a review and you'll get this shit you also get of course. What the sucks sticker and penn as well. Yes in that but yeah so. That's for the whole month of october so again just fucking do what. What the hell that's right. So what is this movie all about. Well actually before that to the cash showy. Let's do that okay. It is directed by you. A he's an torres for directing by the way he's the tories for directing video game stations. That are shitty. well the also has alone dark Blood rain blood. Hundreds belt as well son of a bit. Yeah all right. I it is produced by you able which is always a big red flag Wolfgang herold and sean williams screenplays by mark altman. Dave parker and the story is by mark. Alton and dan bans dan bates based on the house of the dead series by say starring jonathan cherry tyrone. Let's so let's go. Oh my god the man alleged the this may get an extra bonus bonus third just for him being in this movie. Clint the main the howard the less attractive howard out there. Let's lesser attract him and you know what that's funny. Because he was in ticks. He's actually able to find work without the help of his big brother. That's right. I'm loving it. There's also ona growler. Ellie cornell jergen president jesus in his moving jergen posh now bronco well either that or we can call them accident depending on what movie you seen the man i like him. He's actually very good actor. Hopefully this one's lord be still my beating heart. Erica lois lane durant. That's right now. I told chris before production here. I said man if there's going to be rescued titties as movie. Please god let them be hers. I'm pretty sure this was this was way before. Her appearance on smallville. So i'm hoping you know so that's right. Music is by reinhard besser and pete rise cinematography by matteis. Newman newman newman edited by david richardson. Production company is bull cagey entertainment other to produce his own ship. Yup mine fire entertainment. Sega thank bright white pictures herald and besser studious another words. He had like twelve production studio and win about eighty bucks. Too many cooks in the stew you know too. Many distributors did this lateral doubt distributed by artisan entertainment united states alliance and landis communications of canada. Release date there. Were actually to release a february fifteen. Two thousand three in san francisco only really funny that they decided to release it a day after valentine's day in san francisco for the premiere or the early show is why it's weird. No idea and october tenth. Two thousand and three united states. What they run. Oh my god hour and a half man. Why i don't know i don't know maybe next year we need to do something else besides. Dvd's my need to try some different. Gimme because it seems like everybody's motherfuckers is ninety minutes go to streaming. Maybe had to figure out some other cool gift to give away at the end of next season because they had this ninety minutes should is when they budget of twelve million dollars in the promise. This motherfucker made its money back. It did thirteen point. Eight million did a got us money back. Plus plus million. Ain't nobody extra. That's all right do but that doesn't matter because we looked up the rotten tomatoes score. Mark this guy you wanna talk about. The sand. paper asked fisting just. I'm sandy handy beetle. It actually had sixty one ratings by actual critic quote unquote critics quote unquote. That's kind of what we are. We ought we're definitely a coke critic but they're also quote unquote quick on sixty one reviews. It has a three percent score man. That doesn't even hold a candle to this other. Forty six thousand eight hundred and fifty seven user ratings a lot of fucking reviews by by non quote unquote critics. But i'm betting you ten bucks a bunch of gamers for sure. Ten percent in percent at ten percent may somewhere out there. There are four thousand six hundred eighty five people who asked really stepped on their meat. Yeah this one's that's obviously sucks. Which is perfect for us. Oh this is this. Is the road we travel. This is a look. We do so. Tell us this week. Back the boxer james. What's going on at all right. Shocks synopsis reads as such. It's spring break. God i already fucking hated and the college kids just wanna party really of course. What else do they ever wanna fuck all they wanna do they charter a boat to take them to a rave on a nearby island. Oh fantastic they find completely deserted except for the bloodthirsty zombies that have taken it over nice. Zombie kills zombie. Kills me might be able to use that. Kill but today. Oh that's right good point. Yeah all right. Yeah so you have. You listened to previous episodes. We do include kill counts. Yeah a frantic. Search begins for weapons to use against the encroaching killers because as nighttime falls they realize that their only hope for survival to win the final battle in the house of the dead. And you know what's scary. I believe i've actually seen this before by that synopsis. Sound so familiar so then you should already know whether the lowest lean has rested. He's remember no so that they're that bad. It's bad sad and call now. If the in the movie does not actually take place inside a house. This movie can go fuck itself. I'm on board with it. So why don't you just quick quick rundown on rating system as well for we started. I will do that. I'll be very brief. If you really want to hear an in detail version of it you know listen to previous episodes back with sakes in the first five episodes of the season and will go into a more expound on it but what we do use an inverted third system we have one five turns of course yes one being great five being total pile of shit. So that's basically what it is. One is the classics. You wanna keep those ones that you'll enjoy over and over and the fives are the ones that you wanna watch it. Once maybe and then go run into traffic and off a balcony. You know some weight be so severe brain damage to forget it. That's it you know like that. Yeah now we don't want you to kill you. Know we want you around for future episode. We love you guys but we do want everybody to watch these movies regardless Unless we pulled out the golden six turn. If we ever have to do that. We'll explain it. Yeah on me you know it will let let's play on fly but Yeah we want you to watch these movies because somebody worked hard on them. Well we'll somebody worked on them well to get them to this point had to put in some in some teamster level work so this like i said every movie needs a little bit of love. So hopefully you know. Yeah yeah hopefully it comes across in the podcast so fucked hit. Yeah it was a nightmare. It all started a few days ago. Where do you when they're everywhere everywhere. What do you do when there's no way out. Now how do you kill plus bull ready any ways us like i said and miss it all started a few days ago. Doesn't this bother any of you. Running island with a party of the year is supposed to be happening but it's completely deserted. Move sure so the seven to get more booze can hear anything neither. Do i kind of scientific explanation for that human been mutated so what now we send them back to hell you no the only way to make it back alive is to send them all back to house of the dead waiting for you for holy shit. Oh man that was fun. It was fun man. I hate to admit it now. It had it's a definite stupidity. Yes a lot of actually but actually wasn't that god awful. I don't think this is the one i saw. It looks similar to what i thought i'd seen belt. I didn't read them. I didn't remember any of this is a good chance. Probably saw the sequel. There was a sequel. Yeah yeah there's also a problem with that. I hated is like i said a lot of offscreen death. Yeah we didn't really get to record too many but we'll get to those eventually here. I mean this this damn thing is. Dr are let me see presented in widescreen to recreate the theatrical. Viewing experience fuck you. Yeah three three to arbitrate. Yeah it's not too horse because what was the time mark on the first one. I mean we were like four minutes. Four forty in the whole premise. Of the movie i read it was all supposed to be quote unquote around as rave literally. The rave lasted like three minutes of the movie. Yeah and up. they always. They all met an obvious fate. Of course yes you. You didn't see any of this but you see the rave and like four minutes in you. Get your first rescue titties. That's right just some girl in the background. Teddy you know. of course. teddy cows people. Yeah all that stuff We begin of course like i said we get shots of the rave i party mccain on crappy play Product placement say banner and shit giant. Sanur behind a dj which automatically makes it not a Not a real rave. I guess. Because i know stegar is not sponsor race ever ever. No they don't know. But i was pleasantly surprised at the scenery and i got my wish you did. I did get my wish. Of course what was funny is neither one of us in this. A no shit. I love this woman. And i followed her for like eight. Of the of the ten smallville. season eric Was in the first. You know she was in there. Talking on the phone. Didn't even recognize it 'cause completely different. Yeah so she proceeds down to the beach. Yes boyfriend and they go down to the beach jaws ripoff. Yes sorry. This was joe's rip off big time. She didn't die in in the water. So to say and i hate to even say that but I got my rescue titties. Did good ones. you did. I was very happy. But i was like holy crap. That is Pre-surgery yeah oh my gosh yeah definitely because the small versus got they were quite a bit larger. Yeah they weren't small not complaining now. She's a very beautiful woman she was she was naked for like a good three or four minutes. Yes that's our like ten fives when because they they went. She went skinny dipping. Yeah yeah so. She went skinny dipping. Which was this is where the jobs report. Come running down the beach with drunk dude. He sits down while she gets. She doesn't get all the way negatives down to a drawer. Keeps her thong on each thong runs down to the damn beach. And what i don't want to forget is we are introduced to probably the two most major stars in the movie while they were. They're getting ready to go do their thing down on the beach. Yeah lois and ian as i called him because he kind of reminded me of watered down. Version of ian erling erling. Yeah so he ended up They go to the doc here and four of them. The four five of these morons. That accident. I believe there's five is that missed the boat to the rave so they go down the doctor higher. Jesus and the gordon's fisherman played by none other than clint. The man fishing yeah. He looks like he's wearing the fucking yellow hat and the l. ranko. Yeah it's it's hilarious. There's no rain at the moment. But he's ready. This must be something i don't know. Anyway what's so funny about it. Is he comes out there. He's as usual creepy ass so And he's got a hook in his hand but it's so it's it's i. Guess what you want to call it. It's a his hand is up inside his sleeve. Okay so i thought for half a second there that all he had was a hook for hand holy shit so they have to bribe these two to get on an island. Like i'll give you four hundred bucks this that and the other they said. Now kiss my ass shove off. Fuck off but guy ends up. Coughing up granted. It is so jesus falls for it. That's jergen now. Proc rock now so candidate by the way. Clint howard has not aged at all. Since last time we saw him and ticks which was in the nineties. Put him in carbonite between movies so he does. Not a yeah. He looks just same as you did before they freeze which will come into play later. See there there might be some star wars reference here. Oh yeah that's right. Yeah yeah but okay. So they're underway. We go back to the beach and of course the boys too drunk and he's too much of a pussy to get in the water food so we get some pretty decent close up shots of miss durant's in all her glory out there in the water and then i'll send it starts to bubble. Because some weird she's pardoning the water by the way she's not farting kind of bubbles. Even she did. I could careless. I would swim in this woman's far. Both he said that's why folks he said that no he's not way so the water starts bubble. So you're like okay shit. So you get the whole jaws thing yeah like oh shit what. The fuck. And the beach gets bum rushed. You don't see it. She comes up to the shore And her boyfriend is gone. Gone right he is gone. He's obviously been waxed. We don't see it. So no death count. Unfortunately but he does not come back. You know he does come back. he's he's killing number one. Did you watch the movie james. Yeah to to well. That's the problem. Then she gets dressed and she runs defined find machines up on the house his house in the cemetery which is the house of the day and she goes inside and she gets to this corner where she finds him standing there. That's right and then a hand goes through his His chest four one. That's right he's everywhere and then they grabbed my girl around her surrounded. She screams dies but they cut away. Don't see a die. So they spared me that agony. But this is one where i am right after that was first introduced to something that happens to this movie which is annoying. Fuck the director. This pizza director puts ninety clips of the video game between for the cut ways. Yeah see you get tiny clips of this nineteen ninety piece of shit video game. That's terrible yeah in between the scenes ads. Pretty slowly taking out of the movie completely. Pretty damn stupid. Yeah but then thankfully The rave is completely wiped out. Yes gets an island and and they get there and everything's fucking destroy. Get they go. Yeah everything's wreck. There's no sign of anybody. No and i think all they find is one little bloody shirt but yet like oh that's peculiar and they don't do shit. Yeah so what does everybody do. When there's death destruction and no sign of anybody drink. let's go let's drink in this. Fuck yeah that's it. So he tries to start doing it. And we're calm white bread and one in white bread to choose one. He tries to get what he wants. He shitty boy. This shit boy goes into a ten with with girlfriends and tries to try. Wants to get going. But then he has to go pee so he leaves the go he yup and while he's gone she's attacked by some zombies. But you don't see her get killed you do not see her get killed but he goes and hides in shitter. Yeah you don't you don't see that until later. That's going on Clint howard took a whole crate of stuff to the island. Yes and he gets attacked but he gets killed offscreen. I'll scream again of no day. Yeah so come on man. Absolute bullshit okay. But it's a zombie movie like asami movie. There's no death but no death. Death death death i said killing the dead doesn't count in his right. And there are several scenes where There's plenty of zombies taking hunter zombies taken out. And that's what saves this movie. Yeah in my opinion. Oh yeah i agree. It wasn't bad you know but eventually we get down to it Cap'n crunch here. Whatever you get them get them now now stands on here and you made a good point. So he's on the boat which is off the shore. Yes because he doesn't want to be on the island so he's like yeah fucked. He's offshore island. Did people because he already knows what's going on he does. He's entirely to comb. He's waiting for clinton come back so he goes out onto his bow from the top of his boat on the deck of his boat. And we noticed that it's raining all around him all around him but not on him. he's completely area. he's so dry. He lights a cigar does and is able to smoke it and they will smoke standing there and even when it comes back to him is supposedly been raining. There's still not a drop still dry shit. And i guess that's in. His contract is because he played. Jesus jesus walks on water water repels. Guess yes so. So then the while Shit boy girl trying to get it on the other three. Go try to find their friends and they ended up at the house of the dead. Yes which we know when you look at it. It looks like a simple like one story. House almost looks like a mausoleum from the outside. It looks more like a little concrete looking building but then you start looking at it closer. It's all overgrown with moss and shit. Yeah and five thousand motherfucking. Kansas lit in this bitch canada. Where it's you they walk inside. Who did it. That's what makes you laugh. You're like who the hell left. All this shit. Yeah so then. We are led through this long boring weight and we get our first look at the emperor the emperor as we come the head. Zombie emperor because he's wearing a robe with hood and got like pale skin. Yes it looks like. He sticks his face out of the woods. Yeah that's that's literally his first line when he sticks his head out of the woods he He sees the kidney goes goud so they get to the house they want a bust in the door and two of their weight and there's a long hair mcnew she and they tried to kill him. Yeah y'all on the star spangled Your girl star-spangled asian is hot hot hot. then there's a camera guy who i called because he has a camera and then there's a long hair mc she which he conveniently. He's watching the videotape of the rave. While it's being explained by do right. And he's intentionally rolling back to the titties constantly. Yeah which is funny. Yeah but he. Yeah so this is where he tells them the dom attacked and everybody scattered. Whatever while it's happening now still on his boat waiting for clinton comeback. Who's not coming back by coming. Did yeah and so So then what happens. Is the key the those guys. Leave the house. They go back to the rave to get their other friend and the hear noise and look over and there's a shit or knocked over and i'm like what the hell so they tip over opening up and shit boy comes out. Yes as we call him because he's covered shit now absolutely covered and shit which is hilarious. Yeah and then go. He goes looking for his girlfriend and while they're trying to do that. Sheet off sudden comes out from behind tent and she's zombie and then she gets blown the fuck away for that happens though she so he goes looking to attend and while he's doing that camera guys looking another tent. She appears out of there and she was to yes. Knapsack guys snaps his fucking neck. Love it camera guys out. And that was the onscreen kill. that's true. got an onscreen dead. Then they blow away and then haughty cop shows up highly now. I like her yeah. She's awesome so she shows up and then that's when all hell breaks loose and she literally i mean because all of a sudden everything goes crazy. captain charles now is now blowing ways ambience on his on the deck of his boat. But how is that possible dame. Because he's in the water what happened. These fuckers can swim swim. They can swim dude. The soda zombies are swimming to his boat. There swimming they can run. They can jump and how to use weapons. What's funny is that while. There's like a scene of one zombies cement underwater right. You made a good point is like oh man that that's scary because they don't need to breathe that don't but like you can clearly see the zombie holders just breath. So that's that's basically what happens. This launches probably the next thirty minutes of the movie which is nothing but a running gunbattle yes with the group and the gang and they start shooting up every fucking thing. Yeah like zombies. Just all sudden start coming out everywhere so at one point the the the proc now leaves about and he meets with the with the survivors as well as the cop hot cop and then they get to his crate where he that he's been smuggling weapons on there. So they're all fully armed weapon they're off fully-armed yes like shotgun strapped up in enemy. What how asian girl. Yeah that's just throwing it back in your favorite right there. So then they get as soon as they get armed. They proceed to Go to the house. I love the way the looking out. Now this is something. I got to prepare people for their looking at these weapons. They don't have any fucking clue what they're doing. Good good point but yet all of a sudden yeah so by the way these are all cars kids to these are college kids. They know nothing. They have no skills they have no life experience all of a sudden they all become fucking command. Yeah they all. They all great shots. There's no kickback. On the weapons. And they're hitting every fucking thing hidden everything no ways to them like fucking five college kids these five college kids from some some fucking white bread. University are more accurate than stormtroopers. Whitey do you yeah. More accurate than stormtroopers. Yeah yeah it's it's crazy. So but but what happens is long fucking like. I dunno like ten minute like nonstop seen as like the scene from predator when they attacked the villages just like gun fire all hell breaks loose but like they're all good where no but but really sucks. What really sucks about it. Is that in between you. Get these different shots. You have three different shots. That i can't stand. There's one where they interject another clip from video game yet when the free as like the crouching tiger hidden dragon shit where they freeze the screen and people are shocked by the the video game one. Oh yeah interjecting clinton video game in there with sucks they do this thing where they. It cuts away to character and the character standing still the cameroon three sixty. Or it's like you're selecting your player named exactly what yes pick your player. Yeah and then. Three is where they do. This zoom out and it's on the side of a character and as a character is fire again rotates. I'm betting talked. We got that game and played. I bet you there. These are all characters that you can you know not. That game was the first person shooter. Yeah okay see. That's just goes to show you. Yeah but there is nonstop. Just firing and zombies are running and you see like a run that run they jump and then we got this one mother fucking as i'll be. Oh yeah he's doing. Oh yeah there's hilarious. There's one where he like jumps up in the air and throws a hatchet for some reason for some reason one of the the one of the teens are the college kids. She jumps up in the air matrix bullshit. She's standing still. She jumps up six feeding air and then she fires a weapon a shotgun. Of course which was it was shocking. Right okay so why do the shotgun have a lead fucking bulletin. It came out with a lead slug but then it split in his several smaller pellets. It's specialty special. Interest the ammo. I've seen those before it. does that. So shocked getting increases a shotguns range. So they just happened to have specialty good for them. I guess i guess so. Yeah so then. They're all they're all trying to make it to this house. Which by the way from the edge of the woods to the house spray about fifty feet if not that far no it takes them fucking twenty minutes to get there and and you would think okay. That sounds reasonable. Because they're surrounded by zombie. Zombie pirate blocking the way to the house. No hobbies are all around him and several scenes. You can look in the background. And they're just standing there standing there waiting for okay you guys go watch my hands several times like you looking at character doing something zombies or like actually casually stroll right behind walking right past the shit. But then james he to do this to you buddy. Yeah but it's got to be done so we get this really cool seeing where The asian chick in the you've got the flag thing she's doing all this kung fu moves. Why she's the cameras going around her kicking zombie. It's very charlie's angel yes But then she becomes surrounded and unfortunately and she gets taken down. Kill three dammit. Now we we talk about the because she got she got bit. She's surrounded by zombies. Zombie started biting her but then they pulled her down and then normally if we don't actually see the complete death but we saw her getting bit and pull the weed hurrying and then she goes quiet. We see her die but because you loved her so much in headcount so then they all make into the house finance for twenty minutes of trying to get do. They make it to the house and A- as they're trying as a long here dushi is trying to get in through a window. Hot cop has fallen behind him. again alluded to earlier mentioned the zombies weapons. Now this they boot so as she's being pulled their two zombies with hatchets and they are going to town on that bitch. Yes they are. They basically chop off from the waist down her legs off but they take them off at like the hip. she's nothing. I thought it was either as a matter. Yes he pulls through the window and she's missing her don't she's done for because she's bleeding then kill for. She's had gone is onscreen death because she dies. Onscreen it is true. It's not really zombie graphic. But it's still. She lost her legs. But you notice that the blood was fakest shit. It was like it was pink. Yeah blood is not pink. That's how hot she is. She's like she's got female. I guess yeah but then. The yard is fully end with a bunch of rave idiot zombies. I think everybody from the ravens. Now zombies. yeah because they did disappear but then you also find out in the back story which they didn't really lewd to kind of hinted at it but then you finally get the origin of the zombies which happens to be some spaniard. Captain and his crew in ship They get stranded there. And i don't even know how the hell he became. Hamis the the spanish prisoner. Who killed the captain somehow was scientists or something and figure out a way to neck remains nick. Roman flood live. There is a lab in the house and shit they he somehow makes his blood live longer so he is immortal But then up one point all the characters are going to the back of the house and look for something and they come across again. Eighty five fucking rooms. Oh yeah they come across a room full of gunpowder. Now know folks when you look at this building in the movie if you watch it and we hope you do yeah. The building itself looks like it might be a mausoleum it looks a mausoleum might be thirty feet by forty feet. I'm account maybe like four rooms exactly from the outside. I could see former if that. Yeah when they go inside and some bitches huge yeah there's like there's all these fucking doorways and shit and just ruins everywhere but so while they're in lawler in the back looking for gun powder Proc narrow here's Clients whistling his his his Typical tune that he whistles. He walks out so he hobbles outside because he's been a couple of times by now and clinch got his hook again. Yeah those look again. But he's he's zombie poor. Clint so proc now goes to shoot him in the head for some reason. It doesn't kill him. He just goes down and he sits. There looks all shocked. And then he's outside because he knows already dead he tells them to go inside barricade because he's been bit. Yep we These got bit in the league. I've been late. He's done and he was getting feverish. He was starting to feel bad. He knew he was done for so he went outside while they were in there. Yeah and lights fucking stick of dynamite like ten feet from the front fucking door. Blast dole zombies zombies up but also blows the fucking doors off says lamis are coming right and so they start coming in so then we're left with four people There's the black girl. There's the dushanbe face got spin on. And then there's a hot chick and then there's makishi. Yeah well the other to the face bit and then black they killed offscreen so they don't fucking matter so we're down to hot girl and long face duty and they're they're running they come across. They finally come across the emperor. The emperor should finally shows is face. Guess which happens to be some imhotep slash jigsaw fucking Some bonus christopher lambert looking son bits. Yeah it's so. They're they're the they're running outside in the escape from from within the because the apparently there's tunnels underneath the this house yes and so they managed to start running down the tunnels and they're being chased by him. They get out as they long hair. Mcadoo sheet those a grenade in their yep blows everything out but somehow emperor survive and walks out. Not only that. But he's perfectly fine. I mean he's dead. He's he's fucked up in his face but he's he's not the didn't hit him at all but he walks out. Proceeds do some matrix e fuck in his sword fight he knocks mcnew she out mcnew. She's worthless yeah okay. So he gets into fight with fights final girl as you who just happens to know how to sword fight. I mean brilliantly to. It's like wearing the hell did she learn this. She's a college student but she's not good enough. She's not good enough because then a little bit a little stab. He's up stabbing her between her. Tits between the tits. And she goes down and as he brought deliver the final blow. Here mcadoo she wakes. He takes a hatchet and cuts off. Ema taps head in one slice takes it off but does that stop him does not. It does not so. The head is laying on the ground looking out of the corner of its i and it's remote control body which grabs and starts to strangle his ass. That was fucking funny. Yeah so she gets up. We thought she was. I was pissed off. I was like chess to get. She gets up walks over and a very nice piece of prakash. Yeah stumps on his fucking head. Eyeballs looked really. Good is pretty cool. Yeah it was pretty good so then when he does that dislike you know when they blew up the robot shit star wars. The body just dropped everything drop. Yes everything was done. Zombies are finished. I mean that was it. Yes so then helicopter combs and this agency comes. How pick him up and i don't know but it picks him up an and final girl who somehow alive. Who is it always shows up in the situation like this. Give me. That's right. The government shows up somehow am s. I don't know what the hell it is. Amos amos. Yeah ms yeah yeah. And so they show up and Somehow final girls still alive yet so they take which is good. They take her and long face long. Mcdouga- off the island. And then these these government motherfucker show up. They just simply question was going on you guys okay. We're here to rescue rescue. He's like yeah thanks dick. Yeah no shit and that's it and then the credits roll and has over now. That all being said this. I mean that was pretty quick but we got all fucking night I mean really. We got the most important parts in the just been. And if you wanna know more go watch the movie. Watch it or better yet. Give us a review. You might even win the damn there you go. So what is your assessment. My brothers since this was my pick you get together. I on the review man this You know i'd heard for a long time. And this was back. Because i i haven't seen every lovie bowl movie I think i've seen blood rain. I haven't seen the sequels i've seen. I have not seen loan the dark I hadn't seen this one But her they were bad legendarily bed and it didn't disappoint. I really hated a really like okay. The script was stupid The story was stupid. The acting wasn't that bad For the most part. I really hated all the stupid cuts of the video of the video game in between i thought it was dumb into seattle. The moment was necessary. The it very it really did even. Yeah because you're supposed to be sucked into the movie and supposed to be so enamored or what's going on in you're supposed to be so into it that anything like that immediately takes you out of the movie. That's what the suck kinda moment. Though you're in the holy hell is that she had The rave was like three minutes so really nothing and it had nothing to do with the movie. Good but good the I guess else was pretty fun. Zombie affects weren't fantastic. They were okay. Yeah but there. They were passable. Yep i didn't like. I mean i don't really. I prefer slow moving zombies but at least these are like jumping into flip. I liked the mossy motherfuckers in the cave. There's a under enron cave as we're going down. That's when they were running out in there. Were these that were like they were like coming off the wall and they were john. Rambagh look really cool. Yeah that was rambo thing where they just popped out. you know. That was pretty cool. Yeah it a pretty cool Effect so i like that. They were jumping and flipping and using weapons and they had a team lead. Zombie let the hate flows through down. Otherwise a lot of fun. i. I'm gonna give this a too nice to this is this is enjoyable is not good by any fucking means. No no. that's why it's not a one. Because a one or something. I i love and i could watch over and over and have fun with. This is the to gonna watch it a few times. You're gonna get your friends over but it's not gonna be you're not gonna keep it. It's not going to be your cute unless you win the dvd's then you'll have it forever definite drinking game. Yeah but i'm gonna give it to what about yuma man i'm gonna tell you might sound like a damn copycat the acting Could have been worse. Oh yeah much worse we've seen we've seen much worse wasn't bad. I actually kinda liked the story but it was very cookie cutter when it comes to zombie style rave movies and all this crap. It's like exactly what you expect happened. Yeah there were no real surprises you know. Show up everybody's gonna die. War with is arby's game over but at least literally at least as you pointed out it changed up a bit by having them jump and they were runners so it was different. They were run their world war z. Type zombies run they but these ones had weapons knew how to use them right And they were vicious yeah the plot and cast was great by the way. So as as we're doing this for the the dvd's in and so the The cut the whatever you call it the screen that the dvd's whenever dvd in. There's always a little mini trailers like the trailers. It's like the home screen. Yeah the home screen is on this home. Screen is animated by the way. And it's kind of cool so this is another give it to As as as going it shows each character then it gives their name their age their skills in the weapons of us much like a video game. Yup and so. I just learned that. You're asians name liberty liberty liberty so In haughty thing was alicia. She's a sword master. Apparently she has sword master. I didn't know that class they offer offering college. No i didn't know that was simon whose face got bit or got sprayed on his his skills tactical planning wind. That never came into. It didn't know none of this was discussed. No so i'm guessing they assume you play the game first and then you watch the movie but the game is completely different from this. Because i played an arcade i'm ever. Yeah and it has nothing to do with this shit. Oh greg who's greg greg. It was an asshole. He was competent comic relief and his his weapon was grenade. We're going to continue with your review. That's okay there. She is gilles kung fu liberta. Twenty-three marry me liberty anyway. Yeah all that aside. The the effects i thought were great The blood effects were good. The gun i mean the gunfire was good. I liked it. I love. I love shoot em ups. Okay I can't quite give this one a one but i'm going to give it a very strong to okay. You're going to wear gong to. And i hate to sound copy cash. But that's what i had planned for it from the get go. Yeah yeah yeah. He's like you said this is a good one for drinking and stuff like that. Yeah but there's not a whole lot more derived to that one st or you like man. I'm gonna watch this over and over and over again. Yeah you don't have to like you see this once or twice. It'll stick in your brain for that something that you're gonna worry about. And like i said you're going to definitely wanna drink with this one. Yeah and riff on it with your friends because you'll have fun doing it. 'cause had a ball we were carrying on with it. We tear it up and So yeah but i into tell them where they can find us in. The meantime must you must. I will do the duty man you can. 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The Adventure Zone: Graduation Ep. 25: Burden of Things

The Adventure Zone

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The Adventure Zone: Graduation Ep. 25: Burden of Things

"Mm-hmm. A It's me geary previously on the adventure zone graduation. The Demon Prince Gray declared war. He informed the men that they had six months to prepare. Thanks to some research by Sabr they're armed with the most powerful weapon. There is information fitzroy. Made plans with Ray, Mir to speak with her dad about the possibility of winning his help with the war effort. They met my night with their intention being some the Lich King to the school. Things didn't work out that way. Also. The fear ball has been trying to adjust to life after being excommunicated from his clan with mixed success meanwhile, Argo just doing his best. A. Argo and fear Bowl. You are awoken from your slumber by pounding on the door. It's getting progressively louder and let's say frantic anybody want fully. No no I think we all know at pounding and let's assume that you were asking for the rest of our natural lives and so the answer is just now unless unless it's preceded by Dave, I don't want any Foley J.. Day Foley on here, our old friend Dave Foley a one time. I saw him at a cupcake store mustache any with the door got himself a cupcake. Nice. Little treat something for the kid in the hall to eat. And that's the end of the episode. Wow. A two-minute one. We really just got to know when you you've hit the top you've gotta come off of that. So they're still pounding on the door but. Why it is now progressed to the sound of, let's say a battering Ram in the door to save you the the brain juice to come up with a metaphor I'm opening the no no, it wasn't a metaphor. It literally a battering Ram, you open the door and. You see Ranier in her chair come flying through and she's been slamming her chair backwards into door to try to get your attention. So she comes hovering into the room backwards and kind of like skids to a halt in the air says, Oh hey, you're up great We're really didn't have much choice with your your chair antics their friend. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry about that. Kind of A. Big Big deal might be a big deal. It's probably fine. It's probably nothing I`Ma. My Dad has for lack of a better word kidnapped Fitzroy, but it's probably fine. I I you know now saying out loud I. Didn't even know what I'm worried about my dad he's a good dude. Nice guy he can. If he if he is not been around people for a while he can get. You know kind of out of touch, but it's probably nothing. Yeah Well. Hurries he now. Well. So we did the spell that I thought was going to summon my dad but instead fitzroy disappeared. So if I were to bet he's at the craft. which is my dad's. House. you. Triton's supported him Yeah. Yeah. This is impressive mindich. Oh no share. Yeah. It's very he's very powerful foreshore. Know you thought you did it? Oh No, I didn't do it. Well. Okay. Well, let's go save him. How far is it from here? About. A day's ride by horse unless you guys have something faster. Oh I I know this one. The the the flying horses Pegasus. Biggest sees the pig aceves. Flock of BECCA CY. ooh, that's a great name for a band to if you guys have peg aside that's like half a day. So I, Dunno gay dressed and let's head down to the big tree. We do that Fits. Right. You have come to your senses here in this crypt like chamber which our listeners at home now know is called the crypt as. Bad as crippling as gets. Oh Yeah. No I mean it's I would say it's past crypt like in just crapped it is cramped and the pile of bones you saw moving have now formed themselves into two skeletons in front of you. One skeleton is taller than the other The Taller one is little lengthier. has a bunch of teeth missing has about three or four left and the shorter skeleton is a little stouter and has a full set of gold teeth, but they're just standing before you and not really doing anything inherently threatening. and these two skeletons are going to be played by let me check my notes here, Clint mcelroy and just mcroy. So if you guys want to take over the description of their physicality, go right ahead. Okay. Imagine a bone. Now. Do you have that locked in your mind a single bone yes I do yes. Do you have a single bone? You see in an it's always alabaster glory. Now imagine two, hundred, six of them in different shapes and Orientational Awo. Yes and Scimitar. Sure. Seems like all right. Yes. Right. Feels right. Yeah Scimitar. And Merkin. Well now. Yes. That's cool. But just let me ask you this way areas the working. Right throughout me. Okay right in the sweet spot right front of the pelvis. Right above the KOCSIS. Right, where one would expect mercantile, expect them Merkin to be how does he hold it on there? I don't know Mickey Magic you tell me excellent idea. So, what is Man I really don't WanNa call your skeleton Merkin. Can we call your skeleton anything else? His actual name is Kurkin. Okay. What is Gerke in kind of doing? While standing here in front of fits, right he has an idling animation. There's just kind of like a shameful emplaced. kind of like he's like awkwardly shambling and place or just confidently sampling and he's fine with it doesn't immune to like. It's fine. He's moving. He's not moving. He doesn't really have much of a preference. Okay. Now, what about our second skeleton I have a question? Could Gherkins be wearing a Jerkin that would cover the Merkin Gherkins Gherkins wearing a jerk and above the Merkin. Correct, okay and he's often lurking. So let me get out in front of it. And sometimes he's a shirt can. Come on. Foulden. Okay. Now, what about skeleton number two? Imagine in. Two hundred six bones, they've a lot of have been broken many times. you know low calcium, content, a problem, and and. Shorter. He is the shorter of the of the tell with the goal teeth, the gold teeth and but the gold teeth are spectacular and he's even got a couple of really long canines. Really Yeah maybe he was a vampire, his skeleton vampire. Yeah Wow. How'd on a hat man I love it. That's what I was playing for the last four seconds and. His his name is Tibia. Nice across now, I'm going to for ease here say that they have little name tags on fits race to the you know this now fitzroy what are your feelings about Gherkins Erkin Tibia? I mean as far as I know, this is probably not out of the ordinary. I think I'm more freaked out by the fact that I've just been teleported than I. Am by the fact that I see skeletons I see skeletons all the time right at the school. There's a team of scout that you've worked with many times. The an animated skeleton is that weird to you? Yes. Sure So yeah, it should be noted these skeletons are silence well, then I I mean I wave at them I guess it with back. Okay. All right. We're getting somewhere I'm feeling this I'm feeling this connection So I guess I'm wear rain. Years Dad lives can I get like a bony thumbs up if I'm close that is a bony thumbs up. Packers. Thank you and I was brought here accident accidentally and I would love to get back to school. So Am I, can I go ahead and? Go or I guess why are you greeting me here? Am I in trouble or what's up? Well, you can't tell it because there's no skin muscles or anything but Tibias just. Smiling to to beat the band and weekend with a little bit of cocoa rules where there's some. Of the Scout to the skull. Yeah. Okay. COULD ISRAEL COCONUT COGOS. McKay Tibia moves in for big Hug oh. Yeah, maybe gentle hug 'cause I don't want us to hurt up. Here it is. Oh, that's. Yeah, I'm inside you for sure. Fisher. Oh. I'll care for that phraseology at all I don't care for the physiology of it at all but here we are you made this. Well, I'm going to head that way y'all Wanna come with or are you cool having a little bone party here or? I don't know what I expected. There fits right you and your to skeletal Powell's into her along room. At the other end of the room you see a door spread out in front of the door three panels set into the floor. Now you griffin with all of your video game experience would recognize them as the kind of thing that people have to stand on to open the door clearly clearly don't insult me however between well, you are standing and switches is a deep pit that you can't see the bottom of hanging from the ceiling three chains set into tracks that span the length of the pit. However, they are not all the same. One is shiny and new and has a harness hanging at the end of it. It looks very secure. The second is a little worn looking and has stirrups at the bottom that one could easily stand in to get support while holding on the third chain has only a small loop at the bottom that you could may be squeezed one foot into and not only that the chain itself looks greasy and difficult to hold onto. how does this fit like how long jump would this be You would be willing to bet just by eyeballing thirty to forty feet. Okay. So not really jump will know. Hey So. Skeleton friends do you know what's up with this This here is almost certainly a trap. You know like which one is safe a tibia. said all three and. Just shakes his head you. He doesn't get it either gerke points at the left one the new one. Yeah. Oh you you like that one friend I wouldn't looks good. You thumbs up. Are basing that on anything like scientific or is that just sort of a no pun intended. But like I guess not pun but insult intended gut reaction. Double thumbs up. Okay Let me let me try something. I'll reach out with major hand and grab onto that chain and pull it towards me. And Mae Chan pulls on it and nothing happens. Okay so You their friend you are so confident about this. Do you WanNa take a fateful journey across the pit nods okay. I'll strap in. This may be a bit precarious. Gosh. Appease if he had skin. Wow Skin really holds it all together So now Gerke in is hanging in in this harness looking pre comfortable. Okay. Sitting Zip liner. Now send it on back if you make it to the other side, and if you don't make it to the other side, it's like you're already skeleton. So. I'm not knowing. Push with all of my might to try. Oil. Track. It goes flying across throws both arms in the air like we Gergen makes it to the end safely. You hear a chink as the chain hangs over top of the other side, send it on back. He goes to push and it doesn't move come on stronger than that. Send it on back like we agreed a push again does not move. Senate. Right on back come on now can still not moving did me like a dirty dog? Okay. So we got two more. Let's do Gosh. Other Skeleton Friend House you're sort of Can Muscle tone but endurance do you think you could just sort of hang off an old chain or do you think you'd kind of beef it off that? He holds one bony hand up and does that side the side? Maybe maybe not. I can't do that. I can't send a bone bone man to his death So hop in those stirrups. Let's go. Let's do this thing before I changed my mind and I push him to the other side. He is able to hold onto the stirrups make a strength track with advantage sixteen nineteen. Oh Yeah. Your your hands grasp the chain your bunny feet stay in those stops you are able to make it across safely and Ka Chunk, it locks into place on the other side I walk up to the last chain and grab onto it and I say whole golly. All Gosh. To skeleton friends it's important that if I die here if I fall into the pit, tell my friends that I will die will miss them well, they'll miss me more accurately and the boy I'm so scared Oh. This is so her not just kidding I'm a wizard and I cast thunder step And There is a a crash of thunder right where I am that can be heard up up to three hundred feet away. and disappear and reappear right next to the skeletons on the other side Nice and now now you've made it you're safely only though on the other side I had go and I was like, oh no, I could do this. Wrong but I have magic. So if it goes wrong for me. Okay, you potted plant. One thing went wrong for me once. Let's move on you stand on three plates and the door swings open. We're back with Rainier and the fearful and argo down at the big tree I need to. Some. Breezed through the willow. You hold out the feather. That breeze through the Wella gave you and you speak her name. And there is a gust of wind and but to moments later you hear the pounding of wings on the air and she lands before you along with storm at sea and snow on the mountain. How do you for? I'm quite welfare book. How are you? have been better. We must ask Oh favor anything. We are going to. Gripped. and. For. Your Day, for us. We use permit us. Transportation. And she bows her head silent. Ranier says what what did she say? She says, yes. That's awesome. Awesome Awesome that was getting onto that we have because they've employ. Out of businesses. It's not quite as much fun. Then you will the. Per. Four chafing will you guys helped me up? Sure. Of course. So she is able to stand on our feet, but she is shaky sir, she does need to rely on you guys to help her and when she stands out of her chair, she pushes the button and speaks the word minimize and the chair shrinks so that it is about one tenth. The size it was before and she's able to put it into her bag. Cool. Very. Cool. Thank you. Yeah. It's a bad ass chair, right? Yes. Old Chair she's master. Will you help me up? Of course I? I give her a boost up fearful. You are about to mount up when you don't make a constitution saving throw for me. Dang. Okay. Scratched Spring Spring on me. Now, now I drive the die odd beans I dropped it again. Six? Teen. Okay. You did bad. unit say you did Badge is sixteen I had to roll off the table. You had to roll it three times because it kept going off the table. Okay. He's playing on his he's playing on his teeth. Hey Bud. Hey, bud. If I wanted to cheat, I don't have to roll the die repeatedly. There's there's other smoother heists that I can pull off plus one by the way seventeen he could just roll the dyson and say eighteen no matter what number come hey, eat my whole but and my but how so the fear bog you are able to remain on your feet but just barely as a striking pain pierces what feels like your entire brain and you hear the voice of the Guardian from the unknown forest say a master fear Bogue can you hear me? Is. I'm sorry for the intrusion, but I have a message for you from. Well from you and I believe this is the time you wanted me to deliver it. Did die say to me your clan is in great danger and they need you urgently it cannot wait. And Rainier says, are you? Okay? I am needed. At my hope. Vodkas von Smile. I'm. Sorry but this must come I. Oh Well I mean it should be like I said. Ron Expecting. Any trouble at DAD's I've seen to go get Fitzroy, Argo to you need to go with him or. I don't know what do you think fair you want you want a little company for your road trip I mean I. Don't know what I'm GonNa do in a demon apply. No. Oh. DC'S NOT DEVI of. Declining the vote not understand cool cocoa. Okay. Okay. Yeah 'cause I wouldn't want to dislike you know go along in this hover. For. You Right. Yes. Okay. Hey I. Guess I'm still embroidery narrow I'll go wicha. Okay. Great. Well fearful I we'll see you soon I. Guess. Book, you're sure you're you're okay going by yourself right Fear. Bogie mounted on snow on the mountain while Argo hops on top of storm at sea and Argo in Rainier take off in one direction and the fear ball leaves in the other. Room. You find yourself in a room with a white marble pedestal in the middle on the pedestal are many keys each he has a different end on all the teeth are the same but at the end of each is a different three dimensional fig. They are a book. A dove an anchor, a Knight's Helmet and Oak, leaf, a wheel and a candle. The door opposite year is a dark rich purple with gold inlay running in swirls throughout and written across the door in gold letters is the word choose. The hardware itself also appears to be made of gold including the lock. The. Lock Plate seems to have something written on it, but you can't make it out from where you're standing. Yeah I. Mean it seems like examining the lock plate should be I first order abyss roller perception check for me are. Investigation. Oh, well, that's that's that is a minus one. So let's see how we do on that twelve minus one eleven it says and justify in tiny letters. Bone friends. But I mean, your gut seem pretty good there. Can You What's your? What's what's your heart of Hearts Gosh I cut? You really don't have organs but what are you feeling in your bones? A lot of our metaphor, our lover metaphors are hung around organ. Kind of sort of meet you gotta go with your. Heart. On your sleeve my head around it. So you still have by skull know anyway. Got Instincts. I point at the but. The book one you like the book one now point at the night's helmet. And appointed him and give. Weight you like his better and I point back at him and give a thumbs up double thumbs up nod. Okay now I'm confused because you said You liked the book I pointed the Book and the Helmet there's and they give Cairo cocky nod. Yeah okay, but both the. Seems like there's only one keyhole. So I. Don't you want me to try and jam both those in there at the same time. I Lock My. Together like combine combine them. I tried to press the to the book in the night one together into one incredible key. Yeah that does nothing. Didn't work just not doing it hard enough. I flex pretend to flex my bony. Okay. So stronger, I traverse I try and push them together even stronger strength to make a stricter for me. That is. Eighteen. They. Bend. Skies. Look. Guys, look. Oh No. means. Well. I. Know they banned in such a way that you think you could still use you know one of them. nope. There's all lead These are these are obviously not the right answer. Give me that list again book Dove Anchor Night Oakley Wheel Candle. Yes. And what is he trying to figure out here? What are the play? The instruction said chewed and just just lie. pointed the candle. Oh, so an odd okay. Is there any way you can sorta pantomime why you are team candle now? Panama like burning my hand like ooh hot. love Gherkins okay. I pick an I point at the night's helmet again, and then point back at Fitzroy. No. Yeah. No I get it I am a night, but I don't see why that. is going to necessarily be. The. Here. Candle I'm interested in I. Pick up the candle on to Canada check to see if I'm getting any sort of magic vibes off any of these candles you sure can twelve plus three fifteen. Yes. So these things are magic as hell right and it is a sympathetic magic between the lock and the keys with your studies, a magic and the feeling you're getting from the kind of magic bat you've you've found here it seems like in order for it to unlock the door, you need to be convinced that it will unlock the door I. Pick up the candle then and I take it over to the lock and say, right. So the night seemed a little obvious. So did the book because it's like he's a student he's a night. What isn't he? What can do the Oak Leaf fits like? That ain't bad. Me Anchor is more of an ARGO thing dove. I could be like, oh, pieces. Great. I'm peaceful but that is also still not my thing we thought about for a second, but it also seems like sort of symbolically not as fitting as candle, which is you know it's got fire in there and it's like you know fire is chaotic and it it can. It is a necessary thing to shed light for the path ahead of you but also it can burn your fingers and it Yeah that's it and I put the key in the lock and you turn and it opens Cool. Yeah. Process of elimination, Gerke and two for to slow non Tibia sulks you'll get him next time I wear a helmet out. He's that's. A little key aware all my myself. But rather than face a new room or some kind of challenge UC stairs leading up. Oh to stare I thought it was a monster it might be a mimic I climb the stairs. At the top of the stairs you find stone room. They are devices and tools everywhere. It is unclear what the purpose of this room is. You see movement and you realize that there is someone standing with their back to you. They are wearing a rich black cloak with the hood up. High Hello Mr. Rainiers Dad. Hello of its Roy. I've been waiting for you. I mean I could have gotten here a lot sooner without all of. These two by the way great dudes I don't know if you do like a promotion if you can upgrade them to sort of arch. Arch skeletons or whatever. But the a huge hearty recommendation from yours truly these two top flight skeletons. I'll keep that in mind. And he turns and you see a skeletal face with intricately painted black lines pattern across its surface and he is holding trae. And he smiles and you're instantly confused and he says, may I interest you and he raises the trae In. A. Sco. Fear about your At your clan and everything is fine. You weren't sure what you were expecting maybe devastation fires. Demons rampaging but. It looks exactly like you left a even better than you saw in your vision of the future. The main hall still stands though wooden structures though homes at the center of town everything's still stands, but you're landing draws attention. And he comes torch you the fearful you would have called friend. But now have not spoken to in a long time. And he says. 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The skeletal face change is into a shaved head man with dark skin but areas of lighter pigment kind of in a pattern throughout his face, and he says, it is a pleasure to meet you. My name is Gordy. Gordy the Lich King. I mean you can just call me Gordie. If you want. Okay Gordy. Hello. You know who I am. I'm guessing that that sounded liquor real do Dushi. Thing to say but I mean I did just bring you into my home and kind of put you through a bit of like a job interview. So yes, I do know who you are. It's I suspected that that was like a job interview I didn't think usually traps are more sort of like there's poisonous needles or spikes big boulder or acid cube. Or just a big mouth that gets you yours yours. They seemed awfully I don't know up to interpretation. Yeah I mean the you were in no danger that was clear. Right? Oh God yes. Okay. Yeah. No reason said that you were looking. For an army and as much as I appreciate her glowing recommendation of you I wanted to kind of get to know you I. And part of that was you know the rooms and interacted? With my two friends here and he just towards get interview but also this I I wanna just be able to have a little sit down with year. So scone. What kind well, I have cranberry year and am. Allergic. You're allergic to chocolate and cranberries over to really. Yeah. Listen it's like a half healthy. Listen I. You seem very nice and. Your daughter is Rad and a great friend, but I, do not necessarily appreciate being. A appraised. It's kind of It's kind of a running theme for me lately and I. It seems like we're the only ones kind of trying to. Save the world right now and everybody else is just kind of figuring out for up to it or not so. We're starting off on the wrong foot is what I'm saying Gordie. I see. Okay you know what? I have to ask. Do you. It, kind of seems like you don't. Care about the army or the job interview I'm confused I thought. This is what you were looking for. Yeah. Here's the thing Gordy I. Need to sort of do a job interview with you if I'm GonNa really let you on the truth of the matter. Okay. Do you think we could do that? Yeah, GimMe Gimme your hands I'm going to do the thing like I. Put my hand on your pulse and I can do a lie detector thing. Sure. That's not really I. Know I know Sierra insight yeah, I'm I'm like illitch and like neck romance I know a lot about the body. Fine Yeah I I don't have a pulse I don't know that would've thrown it in. The, real issue. So are you a I'm guessing just sort of professional villain or what's your whole thing? Oh no I'm not. I'm not in the villain hero system. I'm not from here woke okay What's your? What's your deal then? That's a big question Would you say cleese and we can talk. Sure I said. Well let me. Can I tell you a little story Yup that will tell you about me. Okay. So. As I said, I'm not from here. my family. We traveled a lot. And my parents were travelers for work mostly. And one day. On one of their travels, they found me. And I had been abandoned by my family because of my power. it's them. Nick Roman city like just like necropsy from literally from cradle to the grave. Yes it was inherent. Okay. It was the thing that I was with Gotcha and it scared them and so in turn it scared me. I was only five at the time. and. So my parents, my adopted parents took me in and they raised me and they weren't afraid of me and they taught me everything they knew about necropsy which was a lot and. I. Learned not only about magic and power, but love. And when I was old enough I wanted to do the same I wanted to pay it forward. So I came here. To new to this. To here. And I found Ranier. and. She needed the same thing she needed someone. To show her that. Power in itself is not good or bad. That it's what you do with it and you can help or hurt no matter what power you have and. Also I found. A purpose here I found countless unquiet dads that everyone. feared. And so no, one would help them. And so I helped them. And this whole a the undying Lord, the Lich King thing it's it's a lot of its smokescreen so that people leave us alone pretty great name pretty great brand I. Go I do see I came up with check this out thunder man that's pretty good too. That's good branding. That's it says right there right there you would I you know I do it yeah. I like that and you know so now I mostly just keep to myself and take care of my friends. All. Right. Gordon, you got the job. You passed you pass the test. It I'm going to roll insight check not because I think he's lying but because I don't think he's telling me everything necessarily go. that's just a nine plus zero. Yeah. He seems pretty on the level you can't tell. If there's case rolling back yeah Gordie. Okay. So I forget necessarily where we were in the process when I had rainier reach out to you but there's a there's a demon prince named gray no him. I've heard about him. Yes. Okay. Cool. He's going to war with. Well, it was a pair of the instructors at wiggins school for heroism and Villainy but now like I'm sort of mixed up in it and so is all my friends and Rainier is starting to get involved and Pretty here in a few months, we're supposed to go to war and it's going to be cataclysmic and very, very bad. So instead, we've recently decided to just kind of kill him in sleep I. Say because we know we know whereas he lives. So like I don't know that we need an army of skeletons or whatever although these two I would trust with my very life. Again Primo bone boys yes. They're two of my best Tibia brushes in very impossible way. Right I put two fingers and Cheek dimples that aren't there. That's very cute. dimples in the bones and then that. Oldest Temples ain't the bones implement dimples ain't made in the bones anyway. So. But you are an extremely powerful neck romance, and so I'm sure there is something you can do to help me out right Well I'm sure that there is but before I can't play the neck romantic thing can. I. Can Be a dad for a second. How did you get roped into this? Ho Boy Lang Long Story I. Me and my two friends SORTA figured out that the demon prince gray was like in disguise at Wigan. Staffs. He's been pretending to be. Huron Mus and. Yeah, we sort of unmasked him and Oh by the way we have the same source of chaotic power So there's sort of a showdown for our you know. Divine. Power sources affection. There's a lot going on there. It just I mean is he i? We've only just met yet, but it seems really unfair to you. You know after a while you kind of just stop thinking about things that way it is it is what it is, and if I didn't feel up to the task than you know. Maybe I would be sulking but I think we can do this. It's just. Gordy. We need help and every time I ask for it. There is a series of hoops. That we have to jump through. And instead of just sort of like excited support. That is the thing that I have seen in this world that I as an outsider at. This world loves its little intricacies and bureaucracies and it's all bullshit. There's so much expectation. I love my daughter so much and I hate that she has to grow up here. That there's so much. Restriction and expectation and. Her boy you know I feel so bad for you. Kids that there's people. Who Won't just let you? Go out on your own and have adventures that you have to be taught. This is what you're supposed to do in. This is what you're supposed to do, and it's all just made up bullshit. Yeah I'm F-. Figuring that out the longer I spend in the Higher Education Shrek. The more. I find it sort of upsetting but it Gordon that's neither here nor there. Forgive my impatience. Will you please help me kill the Demon Prince Gray? I said, and I said please in there I. Absolutely. I hear that you said please. Thank you. and. I will help you because you seem like a good guy. and. They have to get the dragons diamond from the top of the just what the qualify it. There's no no hoops. I have actually only one request. I'll even have some of my friends help you if you need it I, just make sure. That, you treat them with the same care. and. Respect that you would living fighters they feel it too, and a lot of people don't always take that into account. I've I've learned a lot about skeletons and they're just their their hearts. Sorry. We've recently discovered that pretty much all idioms refer to body meet. But they're they're kind bone boys and I will protect them with my life. You. Know. I. I'm here to help I'm I'm at your disposal and. I just. It seems like. A lot of people have asked a lot of you. And I'm. On behalf of them. I, I mean I I'm sorry. It's all good I think this was the last one that I'll be patient for it's so like you help me kind of reached. That threshold. So I, I I appreciate it. It kind of seems if I may I'm as a King I, guess in my own way. It kind of seems like you're the one in control here your leading an army, your stopping your one of the sides in a war. I don't see why you are the one doing the asking. Right. Yeah. Yeah that's all I got for that. No, it's. But anyway. I I'm feeling good though after this Gordon this heart to heart. Feeling feeling strong feeling. Can I be honest? Gordy, pretty ready. So I guess have you does it have to be by the light of the full moon when we make this assassination mission or? Don't let me know what you mean. All right. Do you want. Now I will offer this. Would you like Tibia and Gherkins to Kinda company you home Gherkins there any way that you could shed the pubic wig? Always he are you wearing that. Shameful Non. Rap Is that what emerging? Yet. Read A. Tad. Are Poor Innocent Daddy. All right. Okay. He can keep it. Yeah. I would love them to come with me just as a sort of liaison. Great. Well, dinner's almost ready. You can have a bite and then I'll send you home. Good. What's what's cooking whatnot more scones i. hope that I what I need a balanced sort of meal than that no, it's fish allergic. You are not. We just established in the last episode the You eat. Fish every day for your muscles just kind I'm allergic to I'm making. Actually eats muscles for his muscle. So he does eat fish. Okay. Yes. Yes. Eat let's see. You make the way towards your father's home. You know where it is well, even in the dark of the evening, it takes you know time to find. And do you hesitate at the door or do you go right inside? Now grand side. You go right inside. And you find him where you expected it to be lying in his bed. You don't look. Ill. He's that you'll. I heard. You vote for. You. You look as strong as I have ever seen. Fear Ball don't lie. DC's. Just, my opinion. I have missed you. Missed you as well. I if you missed. everyting. Im. Tour here. In the my whole. But enough enough where have you been? where? Have you made a new plan. I found a school. I am. Learning no tried. Oh I was not expecting this. I am. Have A. Career in small business finance but. I would not expect you to approve this. He is not. What I wanted. But. I am dying so. What do I care? Piece as close to a blessing as I could hope for. I care more about have you found new clan? Save A dis. Small. There are only three of us. But They are Mike Clayton. There are other field at school. I am deal lay one. Day are not. Off Feeder bogue. They are. GENOCEA. Have Federal and. Gary. Oh. Two A day follow decode. From time to time. They gave data moments. But no, no. No, they don't follow the code. then. They are lucky to have you. I. have. You ever tried to be a light. To set. A good example. E have been taught to What have you been taught? I have learned that. The code. That We. Follow. Ease. Took keeps us together. Keeps us. Strong? Keeps. US. Unchanging. But. There are others who do not follow discount. Who? Are Brave. And strong. aiden. Can't. At indeed seems. V could learn from them. As. Well. I see. It also seems like day could learn from you. A tough the many places to find Berries Area He's good. There are fine batteries they're you mustn't vary about this. I have found many fallen berries. I have learned more magic. and. I. Have made friends. Deceased like plan. Ahmad. They live elsewhere. This makes me very happy. To know that you are not alone. Oh No. I M? Malone. May Not alone. Since? I left here. We? Are Alone. Together. Is better than I want you to know. Of all defeated book. That I have not. To be. Out into. The world. You. Are there Wyden. Who I know. Little do good. Who Will. Not Let the world. Change Him. into. Bad Fear Book. You know. What is right? You know. Code. And sometimes. Those are the same thing. But. Take it from me. I have been. Alone without you for some time to. and. They are not always the same. You. You are good fear poke. Sleep well. The Morning Vive we'd speak more on this. And Your father those is is for the last time. A. Stains road. Of teams are now. On. My. Nino. All Norbert Ma. Nayna. Forbade Her van Grin fee. National Hair and all me see a sparrow along some more bit. Here. Or less though. I. May. I love. are. Our said our style. More. Burr and now teams. Volcano Gal. Aw or MA. Nina. Off. Or, to Ma. Fits right you and Gordy or just about to sit down to dinner. When Argo and Ranier come rushing into the room? And Gordy says, Oh our Ranier. Guest I wasn't expecting you. Join US there's plenty. And Rainier says, I'm okay. Why did you kidnap Fitzroy? Fitzroy you. Okay Oh. Yeah. It was a misunderstanding in that. He thought that I would have the patients for his adjudication and I did not. Have a job interview me. Yeah but we're fine now it's okay and we're good. We're good right and then we're GONNA do a war. Sounds Great. It's all good. Are Those scones they are please. Thanks starving. Riding a peg aside, it dead who takes right Outta Ya. I I'm fits to the football Something is happening with his clan. Something, what what is happening with his clan? he said they were in danger and he had to go. Why didn't you go with him I tried to go with him. It wouldn't hurt. He said it was something to do on his own you know. I asked twice twice. I asked him you sure you don't want me to go. Did he say it in the way where it's like part of the code 'cause like I don't want to stay I don't want to trample all over that but if if he's in danger I, don't. I think it was code ish. Okay. I think it was very code ish I mean he made sound like I wouldn't even be able to. Go into the. Catherine. So, do do you guys need to go? I I don't know hold on. I open up the notebook of far writing or whatever it's called and. Right. Is Everything. Okay. Just as like as little as big as I can in a way that like he'll feel the vibration in his pocket or whatever Oh is that like a magical communication thing yes. that's not gonNA work No magic except mine can get inter out of here. Okay well, where can I I'm going to go on a hike then to get some cell signal like what do I? What should I do? I mean I can send you back to the school if you want if that's I feel bad that these, can you tell us what the peg too because they? Just. Send us to just outside of verbal city I not without a summoning circle there. They're still the summoning circle from when I brought here. So I just connect directly to their alright. Looked in the book. Yeah. All right. So we'll. We'll reach out I guess and let you know bone boys. Oh, God. I can't wait for you to meet these two they. Door. To skip it. Yeah he's a real can I may I may all be my friend let's go alson them along. Okay. Thank you. Stand on the circle there okay. Oh. On That's weird oh no. Okay Yeah. Here we go. Show. And the green fire wraps around you the same green fire that was there last time. and. Unlike last time to transportation is not instantaneous. It seems like the fire is kind of flickering in spots. And at one point. You fitzroy. A kind of biggish. Area of the ball of fire surrounding you. And you see that momentarily. Your transport has been redirected. To the Gods car. Chasm specifically. The bottom of it. And the silhouette you have seen in the portal. You are now about ten feet away from this person and they are looking directly at you and they are nine feet tall. WITH OPAL essence skin. All White is And they look at you and Smile and wink. Portal closes the spelt completes and you are back in the school. What a day? I write in the book. Again. I like a there's part of me that sees that like, oh. Wow and then there's part of me. That's like. Okay. Fine. Let me get there. And you hear behind you. And you turn. To See Gray. Sitting on the steps of the. And he says. I told you. If you left without my permission, I would kill ten students a day, and yet you didn't listen you must think. A demon of empty threats. Well, I am I demon of my words and gestures to the big tree? Where you the ten unconscious students tied around? And he yells. Sick. And you see a dozen hell hounds territories. Maximum Fund Dot Org comedy and culture are too stoned audience supported.

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Big Sexy Proud - The QUEENS Supreme Court

The Queen's Court

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Big Sexy Proud - The QUEENS Supreme Court

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All the way down tabby it bit strict pool that swings. County. Concubine. Sexual Roussel house, shabby six visual, be bull. Oddy sexy mouth built a clean the same. Maybe he said. Wow. Let color Adi's list. Roman. The debate gun played a Chicago. This. Delvin it out. The maybe the fall of a son of the home. This big sixty official Tim show, real name. You tell. This. Says she looking to. Come to. Government that we know. Listen. Touch your hand. He'll occur. Came came into the community. This one guy said, baby, a Queen was still your fingerprint. Get out of my bag of day. You'll hear this house. This. You gotta worry about none of those things. Tabby. Digital. Right. Right. That's right. Don't touch the book to abort gathered at my maybe Asha. Sosa associated. The americas. It's. The place. I am originally from the Bronx, New York, but I'm also Savannah, Georgia. When I was twelve okay, and I've been running shit. Okay. And now I have, you know, being in Atlanta, I'm going to be my Newton over here. Okay. So now you're twenty four. Yeah. So when you moved to like before you became like this social media personality, what were you doing before what was I doing all the bus, boy, really before how to make money? That's always dress, usual jar so funny, because really with bussing tables, cleaning people play taking up. I did that for for when I was sixteen swim. And when I was twenty when how to make fifty dollars online how our job. So how did you figure out how to convert the social media following too? Everybody every time. They charge people to use. Platform. So promote other people are still doing my job. Fable people even combination pitches with me. They knew how did you get? How did you start getting somebody follows, what was it was it a, a specific video? And then I was also associated with the girl who had a large following, so you know from being framed by game follow with from hers. Number was thinking about and saying, Hughley. With the fishes. Correct term fixture. Stuff like it. And we go to transfer. No. We all type of. Guess what? They made but they had a platform before you would even associate with them because they. They went even linked to in the first thing if you was nobody. With thinking. So you your former Kojo. Saying that you are she thought that she built me. Right. Because when we met each other, I was ready to copy. Right. But she added on to my platform, and I give our never alibi. And she has a real famous. Core manatt. We're the suffering. Woma thought Nossa stop here. Real listen. I've always been blessed resurrection, pounds. Okay. That can raise the deep jar. The week Wiki is Nick Roman. Really, they say that we use them. Kim. You got. Ain't got the the rainfall vote. You ain't got listen at this. And this is what it feels now we talk about this stuff, also real like into how to was, and they need to get their breakable because those people out there that won't community already don't support like the right the right bulk tuna goes there by absolutely by Coles. They've basler. Right. To take. Good tall. Esther. Charlie done to stay. I'll just like that girl that white stuff is going on over there. Now she falls out with the white. Listen, I consider to be a feature of Bill spirital. I feel not this may not be the truth. But this just the way I feel the heart. I don't want to be. I don't wanna be prejudged, but I feel is this alot. So you're talking about the topsy Westbrook in the James Charles which we're going to talk about a little bit tonight on the show at the your light right here in this situation right here. It was the real for you. Pick the Tel on. Right. You lead us how to create the Bill. You know what you because you let me know what down there. Blue u-turn. Right. But. This is this is the thing we don't left the terms of being able to the phone squash. You got to get all those sorts because you'd want people's with you won't get line. On dollars. Donald. Thank you. The court of social opinion is dead of west of the peak and go through and do this now. She knew woman do in jumble. White black green colored Baptist. Mentors Presbyterian unique. Big dick faulty, you know. Screens and you go gives the game. The first thing that you could say that Denver made a gaze care of, is that day try to come home to straight people more trying to mature. You illicit when you fire like that on the small end to five. The barriers to the stereotype of what they think about it. Anyway, we not weapon they. The other day. And we doing so Charon like even when the back of situation. When we're not such y'all. Debbie. Not Buffy head feeling audible in the ministry, that's going to be worried about that. But you wanna be? We do, and we want to be extended love so much that we. Big one. No. We wanna be accepted, little so much that we sat when you dig into one our own back, and it was the same thing that happens. We're black and white black folks will jump on the side of white, folks, too, because we want to be so going timeout gay. If you've been saying, hey. That fan is amby. The same Buddha that black holes to hear that, there are a lot of parallels between the game in the civil rights. Don't do. Equate rice skin in grind. Right. Right. So people to thing. When I tell you, I with nobody I do not care straight black often. They all wanted to change. We being too extra week we needed not wear too much lift off not wear them in them. I went out with my friend of than my best friend and his brothers stream and before they came around who's that. Well, don't know bit operate. They're not gonna change how they are always been like that always been. You've never been. You have a kind of lighten just rock death. One was so much bullying when I was born. And so that became you're almost. I've got bullets from about six to about fifteen. Whole life because I have always been flamboyant outspoken, and I'll do them sibling. I do. I do. Have you ever had any issues with your several insight? This pump where family members. But sometimes, but they lost it was the first that Yoohoo lips who put on was at your mouth now GERD onto. Now we did like my cousins, my girl cousins we would like Bob play seven eleven is what we call button. No. We got a real down. Oh my God. Anyway. Top of Honey. You've read that I I go. Got a good book. Thank you. Transmission food? We got to give up poetry music all over his. Barry. Too much. Not that's really great that you that you you're so unapologetic. And I just feel like these generation of Geico, you should be strong and boulder in saying Moore farm, and who you are great, if they didn't do my job, absolutely tests. Vitesse. Let Jackie bag. Tessie. All. Little brandy. Be off. I want to be there for people that have. Absolutely. This. I'm I was being joking, but, but I know that, that I'm going to be honest, and say when I watch loud lively grows coming out. I know that I've been friction on, on, on the world and no Curtis people call master from back when I see girl. But. When I was first out fan before. So I've been a big influence on, whether they give it to me or not. But they can give, but I had a big influence here. Yes. I'm glad that this is the my purposes purposes a continuous situation 'cause we got a lot of girls over there. That would mean to loud avenue cover. Because they don't allow me to feed him with them hoes at all. They got from me, but generally, what I can't and this is what I've been trying to follow up on it the rainbow coalition. Why don't you try to adhere to the while your color is your lines when I was that he gave me? Ryan thing when I me me, too. We've got really hater. Yeah. So basically you just join came on there. Hey for me, golden back. They didn't wanna marry me you never heard of that. I have. But this. You wanna you wanna be pleading. Bob destroying. The ideal to marry a woman child. Mary happy. Mother won't be to marry a wall in my father to marry me. But guess what I should have been? But this is the thing this goes back to what we're talking about an early conversation that you had a split with your free in, and they put it up in a quarter of popular social college. Here we go. You got the gays over here attacking because, you know, you get your own attacking you, I under- tip of my all I hear, I hear all types of foul nasty evil. Things about me calling me fans and stuff like right along with it, and trainings, and all the things I hear the when the stuff and it comes from a place, a lot of times, they are angry because they see so much. They'll sell themselves, but, but they got they got. They don't have that. It's like they're confused fan. That's what it man. Have that tact, man. So they're in showing their enjoyed somebody from a community tear you down, and not seeing that at the end of the day, if the if the cycles will revert, you'd be in the same office shower, they were dog dog, destroy Burr, you out listen, one thing that I want us to stop doing great. I feel like that. We need to celebrate our, our true ally. Because we do have some true at with. True. Ally. At your mom's to, to allies, that are not over there for the trash because automatically taken the side of the straightened because, you know of the morality clog arrive. Right. But this is why times turns of educated on you. So word I learned about watching really. But this is my big like when I when I watched this situation if it threw me back into a whole. A memory of I just went through this last year to human more like you know what I'm saying like this broad on that had a bigger bigger, I will say had a bigger which had a bigger airports train tracks. Yes, she's trash, but had a bigger. What become there will? Because she hit hit the scene through music. Yeah. She probably had a broader reach at that time at that time, but she didn't have pipe and she doesn't have a lot of that. But human, but she didn't have a larger social media fan. Indefinite about doing narrow body cares about Joe gets thrown. Discovered in about a month ago debate with about. Yeah. In nineteen eighty you are fashioned, and you envy. I cannot stand people do in. Here's the thing since we're talking you wear to public from every man that thing was together. You know, we had issues but in a place to lesser evils a lesser evil. They chose that evil. They're, it's definitely because of because of. Because when they argue it at it when I see them in the debates of the conversation, I said he's a man wanting to be awarded. He's jealous of a woman, and then they take that Baram. They spend their out there saying, I hate black women and girls, did you derive this? Where did this when they're forced to choose? Because they've now split when fourth choose they're gonna choose har- because at the end of the day, they got some kind of way about. When it comes to them. When it comes to the corner, poplar, when it comes to the quote, a social pin when it came to that, to that situation with me safe they would Taty like this. Boy, lost laser Fowler. Words on you see gang followers, whatever and her ammo was this happened this happened, and he also wasn't trying straight onto that have to do exactly. Yeah. And the thing is if that was what was going on, while wasn't an issue for you, when you were to Twitter when you all right now, I'm Jewish, cutting. Motive because we right now I'm being accused of being a being a pedophile Melissa boys like all this stuff that I'm sitting here. And I'm like, girls, are you that you never ended up doing? Girl, let me not even because I don't really wanna trash entrance right now. But that is trash and I'd be I've been wearing trash out. Would it is she made the train gone? That's, that's what it is. It is playing. Yeah. Because our member thing Bush, she was speaking directly to the camera and saying to me case, cold, casket drop beach. I did this. It's Bastiat and I'm like, when people actually I see sitting there talking to us away, is she? How was she? And I both sat next to each of ads shoveling money I are put in by tire. My this was my platform. I do nothing know different when the base slim I continued to shoot from map platform, and I just changed the concept of the with the show. We rotated bitch. You don't we talked about all types of issues. It's not a roasted. We may rosier or near if we choose. But that's not the bakes Joe and stuff like that. So it's just like where do you talk? That's none of the. Got my own training, because rolling with as a gay male you trying to barn, your. L in a lot of we often find our sales trying to hop on the train of the prettiest girl, the girl because you want to be somewhat accented in her thing of how to think now I don't give a damn right my own. I'm speaking speaker. You don't have to give. And I'm in my own land people don't mean now for me for you gotta societas with who. Who? Right. And what people knew who before we. And this is the because this is why they lead up because the that I had. It wasn't like you just walked in, and you build a person to a situation, you know, you walk into an already working stance at already working in already already give them saying, I didn't join knows no. I think is just like come on. I mean, let's be let's be two thousand. Case closed Caskey's, rob growing. You went out of the way he went about your thing. And you know what I'm saying? Like you. You have to use anger to to further visible. Yeah. That's miserable woman that I would never want to be associated with anything that life, right? With never. I'm serious that the miserable. That's what you call miserable. You're mad because you can't get back in the industry and never be beckoning. Wouldn't it yet they might make them. That's fine. You can have it, but you would never be able to have another boom in thrown you because you don't Jonathan you inbound, everyone that you come out every person that you do not. Have one thing about anywhere. You really be mad big man. Big man. Big big, big name. Of course, I was going to ask you. So you started to start by doing advertisements and stuff like that. But. Yes, I was from about fifteen twenty. Money on because I was not got it on thirty eight. Mr. He's so business oriented. So he was ideally, the child because people contacted me can I use your phone? How much are they? Platform. So he was. How through they do you can eat for me, right? One day out. Decided time to do with boom, posted it to that Email was flood the net because I was reading unhappy, they're working I was working to speak, okay. I was reading I I've never had never s not religious. I don't like you. The method everyday. It was in Brooklyn. Savannah. They got a few here. When I was twelve. Season better down there, south. This quick Braley that was already on the verge anyway. Happy. That, boom from the I just kept pushing TKO wasn't visits mild. I wasn't doing right. Okay. No. Why, why, why did you what? What were the aspects that made it failed? What was it? He was coming to spending this fan. I remember not investment back into that. All. Okay. Had martha. That's author associated with my female Brian. So was it online, actually great raking? And I remember one day she ever tired, and I made about ten thousand dollars. That's the angle. We'll talk off the bye. She really is real. About ten thousand dollars credit in about three hundred ninety nine. So how do you mean we with over the van okay, not went viral Dan, okay? Doing this ramps on. Ramps on. How did you how did you end up going into? 'cause you said you do some real estate of now, my business park business partner, who is dying. Mind mogul dinner with month. He's I know you have to invest your money into different things because of that. Forever. Nothing like social media won't be. Yeah. So he's pushing me. So how did you get the cars just get on that treadmill? One day and just for Cray, if you promise you about net nethon my life. I have always. I was a little child. Got me on this. It was people. All right. They're really. Nobody knew we have video footage of their. He got several of them on his, I'd like to take one and put it on the show tonight here care. Here in real very mid of this is this, why don't hear it was swear. Over about. It was on. In the. It was people all. Come on. Two weeks. So that. Probably gave me. You're who. Not me in fear, all and mama used to say take your term. And used to save. Don't you raise the game? And my used to say. The end of that, you know, you know. So yeah, I mean I did fail. Fisher. If I was more business minded, what my Fisher though with twenty one. So I get money and invested into my head. Yeah. Now, I have a business partner, that's just magnificent with Nandi. Nandi Llamas flipping do. Flip him. The lightweight. Your book lead wait to ninety getting nobody every every four ninety. I'm so busy. Though with. Get me over five t shirt. Because I'm not kidding. Flip the way. The way I feel married, but I'm. And that's the way I feel that this is Greg, Greg night conversation talked about stuff like, okay growth. Was the nickname we absolutely? We met on the. I do my. This credit would be the universe this, how this works of more. But the universe those other folks, I did God. But every but university. I thought about this have. Right down watching. Was was far follow Craig. That I didn't know Madison that the time and quite. Beck and look this the credit Britain. A couple of years, I responded. About what? Responding heavy out just hit somebody. Well, how was when I first met the show, I was, like you, and I have very different approaches to things. But we have the very same thing when it comes to LGBTQ stuff. And I really want to send you a copy of my book, go to the book. I was supposed to sit. She sent me the PO box now for the Senate. And I never sent it fast forward two years. I hit her again. It was like listen. I have a podcast I really love you to come and do my pockets and she said hit geo. She gave Geos information a message geo and then he set it up. He coordinated she came to my house. We did it because she was in the wrong Bill. She's another building in two. No, you draw drone and friend. Listen. I don't know. Came out in the hallway came out in the hallway, see what mental. Flipped on. Was on the. He came out there and the whole thing with it. I say I wanted to. Hey, how you doing beach air or you'll is, and so she came in and we sat down, and we started recording. We did the podcast. Right. And then after the pocket. She ended up staying like an hour or so after we were done recording. We were just sitting there, and that was when she first said to me, I know you got these books, she said, but this is how you gotta use your answer. She said, I while you need to start going live. Okay. So I want I need to get a little fly because I won't create the lady, how catapult it. On catapult. He's. We're to push the mic over to create. We sat down about. I was. I can see the way she posture. We sat hour after he podcast. And she was like, listen. I know you have these books she said, she's people have to like you. She said, in order to really support priest girl. She's got. Motion pictures, and you at your signing. Yes. The loading video that you pre recorded. And she said, they need another just sitting here right now, but they can message rotten. I never forgot that she said, they'd be like, hey was on these sexy of not you've got to be right. They interacted with if they like you. They'll support you girls girl got million. They can't send eighth rob day. They have. No. We. We talk about this all the time. The people who have our that need to have fouls at that outliving the way, and I do. And I because they don't they haven't figured out. They hadn't figured all cut. They taking money and I'm gonna mentor mentor ship out there, I- girls to become both and our preach. The thing a thing. Remember something I didn't learn just learning. I I've always been selling the product. My was the product, they have to like you divide. They have to feel like they belong to. Listen, when I when I'm arguing girls, whether my first night, when I'm argue with a girl, I'll tell you quick. Have we ever would argue would have grown about business home? Listen, if you fucking me in for free, and you ain't never sold. You have never sold a piece. Then he can get all the side while girdle talk about mobile. They got no deals, girl. Nut, if you do your life how your ears never you never ever been compensated for your time your energy or your such. Are your section? Don't talk about business. Don't speak to me about business. Supreme tivi you fail. Absolutely don't to me. Okay. We went out to be about people say things about me being ex prostitute or exit or eight four early fish. You can go over there. I learn how to deal with learn how to deal with cher's. I learn how to deal with scammers. I've married, how to deal with, with, with, with the man that got the real wallet. I've learned how to believe that all the way down to what's necessary that grow. Listen, I alerted I took I wasn't just laying beg Honey. It was a business. Maybe the bodies period. And if you had your legs behind your ears at received mapping for what? What? Failed. Talk to me about. I have to tell me message this is not prostitution. I said, you better be glad. It's not because out of out of red circles around you. To run circles around. You've got now. Tell me about the cost, of course, will how how much person charges and you should go down. Well, you know what type of product is just about knowing your work and adding tech. And this. Yeah. So it started with us podcast, and then about a month later than we started working, it was slow, it was very slow like, I just was recording the podcast and I was like help me sell podcast for us in my technology. No, I'm not going. Technology. I just feed out the whole podcast thing. So she can you be can you help? So I did. And then I just thought it was coming over here, just for the sake casting. Podcast over quoting them, and then editing. And then we'd just rather than time all the fall of that night shortly after that. And then we started. This show. Does not pick it on. I love your hair hoping I love it. You are. That's our. I love the hair. I don't like even on the show. With. The difference in AVI punching over new phase. All of you real nice and cute. I. I'm glad that you started talking about there that you Dekom in, like somewhere. But before the fallout follow and we had. God, I hate talking about this, but I don't and it's not about me trying to clear my name because my name is already people have already made a decision whatever, but it's just we're talking about the facts and the facts of catchy up because they bring. But in the facts of the situation here, Craig, and I sat down, and we said that with her, and we talked about this expanded. We talked about the trae mar like everything they have we said, we never made any, I've never met crazy. Got got married witness because she my mom, but Craig, that's a witness. We sat right there debt, girl, new every that we knew that Grandlieu by Wilson said, right next to me, you sitting to me, and we was going over stuff, and we bid it because he was like beach wise, you out here, you say, why are you out here slipping like this tears Madison, which y'all y'all popular and big, and you're slipping like this girl, why Asha playing these hosts game if somebody come through each our name like this girl, tell y'all can't use it. They weren't really talking to me. I was brand new. So they weren't really talking to me about the business. But now I know that they were in talks with Nikki the time they were possible Murray, what you. Kim Kardashian showing all them shows on SO. I heard the whispers about out here, discreet about, and even when be sitting here. I didn't I just heard those little shredded information. So. Yes out, and I was new that ain't. Who's? Saying I will girly I need to go ahead and train my business. One of these nutty, their t shirts coffee mother anything, and you have to now that and the and the thing that was was the first thing was massive. Why don't you? What would the website and I said baby what we need to do to get over here. And I went to look it up who owned the name and someone else owned the stuff four we did. And I was like, okay, well, let me reach out to the people so we start. So they wrote me back and they started bidding on the name. She was, like, tell. So we will never never reached never once recent a bag and pulled out a dollar one. Okay. Smack dab was with the first they jumped out in the street is never, once we should never dubbed. Handout. A dark or the tape. Never was always made aware. Hey. You know, this is what's everywhere every nickel. I have no reason to lower. You know what I'm saying a over before that my credit card, Honey, when they're born there with what we sit right? And she saying, we'll do we only do on us to hold on. I got a Presley year. This. If you were so Cassirer, if you were. So if something was stolen that nothing is this wouldn't you have your? You wouldn't you wouldn't you have say whole, no? Let me write my J compromise on the because you knew I wasn't doing you. Knew my junior heart was never take anything from you was never. It was never I heard people say after you came in all the type of stuff I heard like, and none of this case, so you know what I did. But that's what she wanted in the. Hey Mandy, that's, that's what she put out in the universe, though. And of course, of course, those quote unquote, walk jumped on it, it was like, well, yeah, I noted because the punks that's how they do punk steel. They do this. And that's why I love the fact that I'm becoming successful. I ain't got scam. I gotta still no cars on to do. None of that same. I'm getting out the mother was she was actually really, really torn with adding to the Trayvon and I kept saying about the full, I said until she gives you some money because I connected there. It was never it was never my. At spoke to her about it like asset spoke to this lady. I got I got on the phone. I spoke to her about, as girl, we need to do this, this, and the other would would would do she said to with. Joint, and so she said, do it so Madison on tray. And she was I will show Atta I said, no way too. She give you half. Mark. And she never never did we just like with a piece of property. And this is the example. I gave you remember just like if you wanna buy and we said without flip problems, and I put my money you don't give me your money to the but you know what the Indian me and my business part on for whatever though in the end. What in the end of what did I just left the Queen the queen's Koran? At this left. It alone I lift our IB, seeing people using the glean scored and an our even fight about it. 'cause, you know, so she stayed as go after their bending to quiz, the pre Morton, and we've got his mind. But the prequel in this, that's mine. She the Roach. She. Debate with people about this. Oh, I don't care whatever they're being gay people. Yes. How many of them have clot me in my bed, and you had to say to you say? Madison. I'm telling you, I have hold to. We've about this topic. She's a hater, she's a Roach, and she couldn't stop your period. God, I can't nobody stop. This fan would be that Fain situation. I'm going to what people you dirt on my name, you could share. Things about me. You could say things about me. You still can't stop. Because. Telling you like nobody can stop. And you know what was so funny? We set we sect. This table, and we talked about touring Craig, we talked about, tour we talked about give me things together. We talking about putting money in other. You know what she said, don't come on my page because I don't care. I really don't know. She sat there, and it was like, okay, well let's do it. But we ended up it was I guess it was the power systems gonna put up but I just want to eat at the end. I guess that's the way of the feeling on the inside. That's the only thing of gathered on because there has never been thinking there's, there's nothing has not been a never was a digit in the purse, never not once. Amber. Not even she said, most of that was too much all of the extra stuff, even like even for like the synthesis up all of that was too much while we have to have this, why we say that. That's exactly what she did. When she wish you gotta make up artist. National where maker DNA was like, well, I got a bitch when she started doing trash over there. I had had we the, the bench in the cameras the camera cameras. The projects screen, and obey all of this, all, you had to do say, you didn't want to build it with me. I would've spot that was that was costly for me. I wouldn't spend a penny. All you gotta do say tears. I just like to do this right here. And then I don't wanna go no further, but every paperwork that came through, and she got those people out there fulltime some, the Nikkei day wanna do when it was the first grade. Joy day with the first the first on the land. You every deal came through your day was on the paper, girl, your signature shopping's, but she wasn't able to stop and that she worked with God, nobody can stop. We've had this so many times, and I've said, I don't think that we would be as successful on this tour, if it was the way that it was before, because, like, we, we've had whenever you do production, so she live, you always gonna run into issues. And so we have to figure out shit, but we on the road, you might always, and that's part of the two. She you gotta have the temperament and I don't think she would've been able to go with the flow sheet. And then she would have been messing up your money and have a way of non we every finding because he knows how it's going to be the way because I know even talking about an him being hurt. You sometimes angry? It makes me angry because people have she's DC's people built this narrative about me as, if I was a thief, if I took something or are plotted against her and all this stuff, and then she goes with that flow because where we I dismantle, I didn't know what was going on. It became about the pumps to be in the house. And then after the punks did somebody jumped up talking about it the trademark and I was like girl. What are you talking about this stuff was, like, what are you say? I would've never did about the girl. Quake tone if the pretend. And then these people's online saying day, popular often gleaming bodies for that. It make sure that they. We are there was it was, it was haters from people that was hating on the show together, and near these bitch, that are never mashed never been never get flagged. And I'm so girl, you will see say right here now girl, one day, we was going, and grow Facebook, log out. What happened? To choose talking about semi data. This is what made me go out and get their program that made a stream on everything. Because we weren't not streaming on everything. At first, they made me go out and get that program because they signed us out, girl. This is what made me go do that because we were only streaming faith only. I really believe that she came here like bowl absorbed all if. Guess if they'll can. Which you, then, even try to take the guy who used to do the phone calls. Yeah. She tried to get him to go. And she, of course. I love I love. I love my best friend is called an amazing person, but I have had some real bad running with scorpios. Males. They real trifling. I'd everybody know that everybody not everybody, but advanced majority. But seven those people have those places in hearts, like I just feel like it'd be like. And you so used to say, thinking, people do you wrong all the time? And you never everybody do you all? Everybody as to what she is worth to me, south Santosh. And that's why you would not have a head in this lifetime. You may have to die and try happen. Lifetime. Because she's her own worst, enemy very talented. I can give a thaw out of, but you so nasty you are so evil. Then legally be drier for she got after after careful consideration. At careful understanding that is plagiarized Sloan came from Luke and JT money from the soil head hit, and mohair. By her Seattle, legally b Meson that she has that was stolen from their girl. Just just as we're being since we're being candid here, but I just walked on it yesterday. People be full of jealousy in Indy. But guess what they still can't stop what you got going on at all. What would we I separate it that she was the first one dragging bad, and I was still on the train of not even saying that the negative about this girl NAFTA. Because I couldn't understand, like west of, like what h e double hockey, sticks is going. We was doing so good. Okay. Beer, right. Then we was these sales girl with the walk away from this stuff and never touch stuff. Again, and we can still be okay. Honey? I get back home. I'm all kinda man man Louis. Did bother me like it did, it was fighting to me like they've made cheer. Soul t shirts. Thanks. Aweso teachers off of whatever you know, but it just hit the soul in the girl, you just get especially when they're other whole jump the other. I'm not giving that whole. No. Which that Michelin tire this show a picture, this, we ain't give net bitch, because that's all it bitch, that bitch take a piece of anything and want to be part of it. And that's the way that whole do anything. Anything for cloud. Cheeky over there, instead of being a journalist, as she as a quota journalist. As supposed to be a journalist girl, how clean Knauss of warming. A real woman, how do I don't listen up still questioning that how to win best in my dang looked so much like Gary? Definitely like every Colby all to all. Yes. What is? That's the dream. Now, ladies and gentlemen. What we will. Dreamgirls. Femur. Dot com. Situations in my city was serving queens that our trash, which came from me and they still could not stop when I had one and they trash I'm talking about Schranz at the bottom of the trainers. Catch rash still could not stop. Garbage properties. Now in our without nothing. But suit. Trash and it will be tuned in tonight. I know for a fact they will. Greg. How, how long have we been going fifty two minutes? We got eight more minutes ago. Let's do our we have our and I mean we haven't talked about any of this. You want to put on the. We go ahead. Talking because monetize, they'll see how he feels that. They watch this show. You know what I'm saying? They'll see feels. Together comic. Oh, wrapping up this podcast, and then we'll get ready for the okay, what's the tonight? All right. So listen, we didn't wanna make this about the about these split. But I mean, people company wanna talk about this, and I'm gonna quit shying away from me. Taty with talk. You. Like all of this. This is this is not something that's new. This is this, this stuff goes on even in the white community. You know what I'm saying now for me with that thing, I just feel like girl, you at light that you were so pressed over him doing going with your spa. Somebody that was a competitive. Where did the sexual stuff targeting evolve, and girl of Iago fall out with queens? Don't be the Queen for you just be the Queen free in the beginning or don't bring. What we see it on time, even on these reality shows they bring in a gay best friend. And as soon as this all about you, it's like they use the word woman, as a majority, that makes you Butch weeds, man. They don't call me a woman. They say you, man. Thanks for telling the public, Honey. Now, I don't have a problem, getting my dick. Oh. Yes. When he. Thumbing. Really watch enough. They don't they? Yeah. 'cause I know watching me. You don't they could tell your every move promise you better than us. They know your free, if they know your enemies they differ know your enemy because they sit around trying to figure out who they're going to want to twin power activate week. What was the Vegas there that Michelin tire Neg hole? Would that Gary Coleman faith, and that nappy point here? Oh, hold on. Show. I should've seen day. Listen, you put you put all trying to do is put your name they name and Google. They want to be so attached to you, girl. Oh, and I'm realizing that so much, Mattie now especially I'll become so big online, people literally do anything for Kyle. But you gotta pay for auditing. Listen, I'm so busy by, I'm not arguing with no trade. You have a business, you have to have a business to argue with you, and you had the amount of money in your account. But because I'm not fighting somebody that has nothing to lose. I'm not doing. I'm not doing it. I can't I'm not doing it because they do anything for cloudy and I'm not super now nobody levels. I've no. I hear me loud. I hear me loud, and clear, did you got to have some business about yourself, or we're not arguing I promise you this, and this is why don't respond to certain people are there, some, there's some responses to that warranty because, you know, that's going to get that. Let's get Google traveling. We'll get that stuff elmo's after, you know, there's something, and then there's other things I'm not. They keep with my pitcher side by side. What you bitch trying to make me look like you beat you ugly. I don't wanna look like you. And that's why you when you're thinking, so yes, all the time if she on tour, I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna be so loud. Here's the story of a bad, Nick radio. All I see is the book listen. Here's the big. Ever wanted anything for her not to not to achieve an aspiring all this stuff, because that was not it wasn't for me to move around away and move me to. And that never was the thing that never was dead. So the only reason why you're under achieving go. If you of you're not achieving issue, you your own worth enemy. And yet you shove it and you have ancient in your heart and people don't understand why they still have been struggling since two thousand one and while still came we now because there'd be so jealous. It on that note. Please. Make sure you've gotten your tickets for the upcoming Dallas show. Once again, that's the upcoming Dallas show, June seventeen. Dallas, texas. And baltimore. Get your tickets tickets. Thank you. 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