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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Cowboys are showing who they truly are

Blogging the Boys

06:46 min | 3 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: The Cowboys are showing who they truly are

"Introducing built to last a new podcast by american express. I'm elaine well trough. And i'm excited to host debut season where we will be deep diving into the stories history and continued legacy of small businesses. That shape american culture through these important conversations will hear how the black business leaders of our pass have inspired. Today's black owned small businesses and communities. Join us for the debut season of built to last on spotify apple youtube or wherever you get your favorite podcast. The following segment is from the look ahead on the espn nation nfl show. We're we're discussing your favourite teeth. Subscribe to the sp nation. Nfl show to you. Don't miss conversations like this. What your cowboys as you have. So gracefully pointed out fresh off a win over. My forty niners are facing the philadelphia eagles. And what. I thought might be an easier. Game for dallas now with jalen hurts a quarterback for philly. I don't know how you feel about that. I've said for weeks jalen hurts presents. The biggest wildcard factor in the nfc. Playoff picture i think that's evidenced by the fact that he beat the new orleans saints. He's a large reason why they're not going to have a first round bye. He almost beat the arizona cardinals. And if you get enough help then maybe the could win. The nfc east I do think this sounds crazy. The cowboys stats have wanted games in a row. They have won three of their last five. And they are kind of functional. Nfl team which didn't seem to be the case as a possibility a few weeks ago and of their last five games which by the way was then returning from there by beat the minnesota vikings which at the most impressive thing in the world but rather impressive at the time then. They lost at home on a short week to the washington. Football team on thanksgiving while dealing with all sorts of emotions. After the loss of their coach they lost like almost two weeks later in baltimore ravens who began their peak back to the top and then again not great wins but they beat the bengals and they beat the forty niners and for what it's worth those teams that the entire. Nfc east ought to play so things are just kind of normalized last week. I tweeted this out. The cowboys were the only team in the division to win. But that's because they played the bangles and the giants the browns. The seahawks played washing football team and the eagles play the card. Well the cowboys got dragged. All three of those other teams earlier in the season and so things are just kind of falling into place. You know what. I mean like your your schedule starting to match up and i think i don't know if you agree. I think the cowboys would have beat the eagles last time. They've played andy. Dalton had been quarterback. They played benvenuti in his first ever. Nfl game and starred and still almost beat them. And so i i. I'm not trying to care for any doubt say. He's an elite quarterback. But i think he makes this offense much better the cowboys three wide receivers have all started to play really well. They kinda had their own games. Amari cooper michael galaxy lamb. And i also think that demarcus lawrence is playing like one of the best edge rusher in the nfl. I don't know that. I think he not for the pro bowl. But he's still really good. And i know the eagles shaky at right tackle. And so you telling me that. There's a rookie quarterback who got a shaky right tackle going up against the edge rushes in the nfl. The last point. I'll say that kind of ties all this together. I'm going to the exact numbers on here. So forgive me stats. But prior to this stretch. The cowboys had something like two possessions that began on the plus side of the fifty yard. Line they've had like seven of them since and some of that's just lucky turnovers some of that special teams turnovers and they haven't always turn those into touchdowns but they're generally getting point center them because that's a lot easier to do short fields and i think that that's the difference. I think maybe the cowboys get like nine points out of that. Maybe with some jalen hurts. Fumbles demarcus lawrence. Did force one on. Nick mones last week and i think that that's i think that that's the difference and i think the cowboys. I'm surprised that they're two point dogs here at home. There is a logical argument to be made that. Look the cowboys. Were coming in with a new head coach. It takes time to to for the coach to get to know the players and vice versa on they had the injury to dak and then the injury to andy dalton so they've never really had a chance to kind of settle in and you can make the argument now that maybe they're they're starting to settle in and maybe we kind of discount a little bit what we saw earlier in the year and start to think that maybe this is the team. The cowboys actually are now that they've experienced a little bit of stability. And i agree with you on andy. Dalton he's an absolutely functional quarterback. There's a ton of talent around him. I think the cowboys are a much bigger pain for teams and they were earlier in the year. Yeah i mean you mention the injuries. Obviously the quarterbacks but the cowboys it should be said that. When mike mccarthy took over as head coach travis frederick had not retired. He has since retired. The cowboys have lost tyran smith for the season. They've lost lau collins for the season. They have probably los zack martin for the rest of the season. And so i mean that last seat last week stats against your niners. The cowboys tried about the same offensive line for the third week in a row. That's the longest streak that they've had this season. The same five five positions on the offensive line. And so i think you're right. I think they're settling in. There's continuity it. I don't know if leighton vander she's gonna play in this game. I don't know that that's a really big factor. Honestly love you in the wolf hunting and everything but has had his bad moment. Certainly i but i mean the eagles. It was certainly impressive that they beat the saints but some of that is we think the saints are frauds. It was impressive that they you know kind of went back and forth with cardinals. But we've kind of called the cardinals by the way we think everybody's frauds. I've realized in this sentence. I think that on paper it looks a lot more like the eagles are a better team and i do think that this is two cultures in seriously win their sails and i think that this if the eagles win i think not that this hasn't even been driven in but it's the final nail in the carson wentz's an eagles quarterback coffin. I think that nails dirty pipe. It's just further. You're going like further into grant at that point. Yeah i think that book is close. But i agree with you. It's certainly not gonna help. Things jalen hurts can get another win. I think i liked the cowboys in this one. Everything we've just said about them that's good. I think jalen hurts is going to be good to. This is going to be like a one a fun. Nfc east's just bruising kind of game. I'm really looking forward to it. But i think the. And i hate to say this about a mike mccarthy coach team but i think the cowboys are getting functional. Now and they're gonna find a way to get done. 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Niner Nate-tion: Are the 49ers going back to the playoffs?!

Niners Nation

50:03 min | 4 months ago

Niner Nate-tion: Are the 49ers going back to the playoffs?!

"Cashing your sports knowledge and spd play the free to play sports betting contest with a five hundred dollar weekly prize. Enter today at sp play dot com and be sure to use the promo code. Sp nation to get some bonus. Cash in your bankroll. Nancy and welcome to the niners nation. Podcasts here on the niners mission. Podcast practice where it feels good. You know it's been a weird couple weeks. It's been like a roller coaster. It's been a teeter totter. It's been you never know what's going to happen. And i'm gonna tell you right. Now start before we get into everything today with the win yesterday or two days ago. Now we are not going to talk any draft anything about future quarterbacks until the forty niners lose again. They deserve that after going in with mic. Frigging moen's who is literally a actual rock at quarterback. He is an actual rock playing quarterback and winning that game. There's no need. I mean this still need. Don't get me wrong. Dines have a serious problem and it's a quarterback we will talk about that as the season goes on but the forty niners organization the phoenix forty niners organization deserves us to not talk about the draft for at least at least until they lose again so here. We are after a big win sweeping. La with me. Leone loon of sports illustrated. How are you doing man. I'm doing great victory. Monday can't complain. They beat the the rams or the ramle also known on twitter. That's something i found out coming into this game. And i knew there is no such thing but i'm glad it happened because now i'm excited again now excited so i love being excited. Let's see what they go ahead and do this. Event of sweeping the stupid. La rams which. I hate every team from almost as much as i hate that team from seattle. This this calls for us bringing back the twenty twenty five train. Maybe go ten and six. And that's what we're gonna do today. We're talking about the forty niners in the performance Rams the instant reacts cast where you want to go if you wanna hear all the stuff about the game in detail but we're gonna talk about is some of the key performances. We're gonna talk about how you get the fifth seed in the playoffs and get to play an nfc east team in the playoffs in that first round because as we saw last night the seattle seahawks barely that awful eagles team and they win the division. Nick gonna throw two picks they could beat that eagles team. If it's in philadelphia with no fans there's totally. It's totally doable. So i real quick. Let's get into that game last night. We'll talk about some good and some bad. Let's talk about the bad real quick. Nick mullins man. Oh man first of all shuttled to cal shedding and he is literally what he is doing. While having one of the worst quarterbacks i think niner fans of watching a longtime is is miraculous. But you gotta be kidding me. If he's the best option. Like i don't get it and i don't think. Cj is the option either. I think i think they gotta give josh johnson a chance. We talked about so many times. What do you think man like josh. Johnson's gotta be better less. What i think is obviously were just talking about a stopgap to jimmy. Garoppolo the clear. I wanna make that glory of cordite with the way. The offensive line is currently playing. It's making quarterbacks that are nick. Mullins esque struggle a bit. Because he's not really mobile. Camera leaks scape pressure and on top of that his arms. Not really that strong. We've seen it from josh johnson in the xfl that he can actually throw a bit of a deep ball a whole lot. Better than what mullins can and the benefit i think. The key benefit to josh johnson is going to be his mobility able to extend plays. Because if you're able to extend plays with guys like deebo samuel brandon. I you jordan rita tight end. That's that or even kendrick bourne. we saw. Kendrick bourne get open on an extended play yesterday. That's something that can work for this offense in. It's i would be. Ideally interested in that. And i think he is your quarterback without jimmy garoppolo or without jimmy. Don johnson is the quarterback that gives your team the best chance to win and i think kyle shanahan has got to be thinking at least to bring them up give them a chance or suit them up as knicks. Backup for the bills game coming up. This is no reason that josh johnson isn't getting some sort of reps. This season when jimmy garoppolo is still kind of an unknown. I think it said like six weeks. The bills game would be five. So there's a chance. Jimmy comes back before that cardinals game towards the end of the season. And if they're on a tear they'll try and get him back. The one thing i worry about is while nick mones iraq and just kind of stands there like an idiot all the time jimmy garoppolo. He's not healthy. It's just stand like idiot all the time so. I don't wanna take a risk if it's not there like jimmy. Garoppolo is clearly clearly better than nick. Mullins or cj beathard. That's never something i've said on this show that i think nick mones is better. I don't think that's the case at all. I think jimmy garoppolo their best chance to win core back right now. But he's injured. But i think just johnson with the ability to move and i can't be that bad he was good with the la wildcats af. And yes i understand. Fbi he wasn't bad he had some games where he was decent. And i just don't get why you're not even giving a chance like people ask for. Cj like why why would the hell would you wanna see. Cj beathard again. Right josh johnson. Yet it's the Xfl saul. it's i wanna say yet af it's okay it's okay i forgive you Yes is the. Xfl talents nowhere near the nfl. But hey the guy went eleven touchdowns and two interceptions with one hundred six point three quarterback rating do. I think nick mullins could put up. Those numbers Maybe maybe i'm not sure i would. I wouldn't put any money on it So that's why say well josh. Johnson did that. I've seen him this. Calendar year in twenty twenty hit fade routes in the xfl that was perfectly dropped into the receivers lab and he's mobile once again. He is mobile. So i would like to see at least something from josh johnson. Not just a practice squad. Cuyler murray scout team quarterback and that's the big thing is like we're going to. We'll have later this week. We'll have a bills preview. But wouldn't you want to have a mobile quarterback against a mobile quarterback coming up like i. I know it's tuesday. it's only tuesday. I'm just hoping shanahan comes to his senses. And it's like yeah. Yeah we're gonna. We're gonna put josh johnson out at quarterback today because it just doesn't make sense for us to have to watch. Nick mullins miss everybody and just get creamed every play like don't get wrong. The offensive line hasn't been that great. But i feel like the biggest thing. And why i was so heavy on. Zach wilson when we were tanking not really tanking when we we had. We thought the team would lose out is. He's mobile and he can make the line look less less bad. I guess is what. I'm trying to say like with a mobile quarterback. The line isn't gonna get trounced every single time. Because you're gonna have a guy can at least roll out and throw the ball. You know when jimmy garoppolo was hurt on his ankle can rule out. And that's why. I got creamed all time. And that's what like moans and he's not hurt. He just sucks and while. Cj has a better on the nick mullins. Do you really want to go from nick. Mones the cj beathard who also not mobile or. Do you want to try out something different. I'm ready for something different because this defense and this on this defense is so good now. That richard sherman back and i think they have their safety's now to various more. Jimmy ward are playing better than i think. Jimmy ward an Target what do you think i. I think that's a perfect spot for jimmy ward. I think the comparison with ward has always been tyron matthew the honey badger but he didn't really get the opportunity with having a player like quasi in there because jimmy wardhaugh to take more of the high safety role and he had to be at the top a lot. More than two quasi tart which is fair because ward is better high safety than tart but now that hurts not on the field and the forty niners finally listened to myself and they put in various more tar. Various more is more rangy does have a little better instincts. The cover guy a high safety. He needs to work on his tackling angles. We understand that a bud. Just strictly on coverage standpoint. More is a better fit for a high safety role in. That's allowed to drop jimmy ward in a little more. Not play as much as eighty. So you're seeing him play at a high level and i said tyrod matthew. That's kind of what he looks like yesterday. Taken out receivers taken out running backs from Or excuse me. Wide receivers and tight ends from the slot corner position. He was just making place. You apply all over the field. May jared goff stumble when he tried to scramble and he was just a high motor and i think he feeds off that this year. He's seemed to be a little more talkative. And i think he's feeding off of that tyron. Matthew like role as the thing is i feel like this whole defense is just feeding off of just how good they are like. It's great you know. They don't mind the fact that the offense is putting up points feels like they know they're better than everybody and now that sherman's back it felt like on sunday that there was a swagger that they had a couple times but it wasn't as big as it was on sunday. Richard sherman does something to a team. That is almost unexplainable and with richard sherman out there. They felt like a super bowl events and while they didn't feel like a super bowl offense. You know because their quarterback is awful. When you have a defense that good if you can get a guy who can just not make mistakes like mullins and beth are making like jimmy garoppolo like what i hope josh johnson could potentially be. Yes jimmy garoppolo. Better than josh johnson. No get to us it. Why can't jimmy garoppolo the pretty wide open still. I really think with this kobe. Your anything's possible. Mahomes could get covert right before the super bowl and that's changes everything but that's the thing. Is you know it felt like in the losses to the saints. The loss to green bay. The nick mullins factor was just overtaking. The whole team where they had no ability to do anything and it felt like yesterday when deebo came back and moster came back it allowed shanahan to not only scheme up plays to make some to do some damage. Despite the factor quarterback is whence and trubisky level bad they were able to just out swagger. The rams is that the word i'm looking for. It felt like the defense was out there. They were making plays and yes. Air doll made his plays jalen. Ramsey made his place but they just felt like a different team on sunday. The defense put the offense on their back and said hey guys we're gonna take this one. Just don't mess this up for us. the interception kinda her but the fumble recovery for touchdown hurt the defense but in the end it the defense They did make the stop. In order to get nick mullins back to kick the are gold robbie goal to kick the game winning field. That was on the defense there and they got the rams off the field pretty quickly With enough time for all of that to take place so with this deep. That's why they definitely out swaggered that rams offense it wasn't even close to was more confident when they were on the field at the same time With the forty niners offense. They just got to play horizontal and play more of a horizontal game than that's any key. This defense fresh. That's and get lead depot. Do what he does with his yak. That's in the lead Most i on I'm not too concerned about his production at the moment There is possibility that this team could go on a stretch for the last few games of the season. And they're gonna get you back to before the bills game which is going to be a huge part of it but real quick. Let's talk about deebo samuel so was drafted in the same draft as guys like a j brown. Decay metcalf I wanna say. Andy isabella one of the receivers in the class lady. He was there terry. Mclaren jerry. Maclaurin the other one. I'm thinking of the one that the patriots drafted nikiel harry rikio hairy hollywood brown real quick. So here's just a name a couple of. That's why i wanted to do this name. We've named couple of receivers who would you rather have out of the receivers. I just name other than deebo freaking samuel. And what he's been able to do he's an literal freak is a frank right other than deebo. I think a lot of people might want to go deep cave. Metcalf or Terry they don't what he so. I would say brown because he is guy who can break a lot attacking not to the extent of deebo. Diba currently has thirty. Five broken tackles and aj brown has thirty one. So that's where they are. I mean and the thing about the decay. Metcalf thing is the niners. Don't have a quarterback who couldn't get the ball to a decay metcalf make has to get those deep routes. I mean yes. Sure he gets the short answer with in that offense. It doesn't work what d- was able to do within. This offense is pretty amazing because not only shanahan scheming or onto like you said. But he's able to break multiple tackles and make plays when there is. None depot is a freak. There's a reason he's getting pd tested every single week because what he's doing other teams and the minute he came back into this offense once again against the rams. It's obvious that they have a jam and deebo samuel and once again you you've back. They have a wide receiving corps. That could potentially be one of the better ones in the league. And with deebo samuel. He's doing it against one of the best defensive coordinators at least the season it's his first season So i'm gonna say this season. That's that's brian. Daily over there for the los angeles rams. He's actually great in adjusting on the fly in the game. The rams they were the number one overall defense coming into that game and they were by far the number one defense in the second. Half of the game will guess who can figure him out. Brandon daily could not find a way to adjust to that rams with all those players Like you said donald they have brokers they have ramsey they have fuller plane at a high level They cannot figure out a way to take away. Deebo samuel and that just shows how special the player is. I don't think we've seen one game to where team was able to eliminate deebo samuel completely. Make those not work. Make those pitch passes not work. He's just a fantastic player. And that's what. I like going into the bills game. They're afc east team. Do i expect an afc east team to figure out. Devaux samuel in a week of preparation. Probably not no absolutely not. And that's the biggest thing. Is you know we've talked so much you know. We're even got to the parade just a tank. The season this season has been such a the word i wanna use cluster f. But i'm not going on. I mean that's a roller coaster. I think is what i want roller coaster and it's been such a roller coaster because the injuries but if you look at the games the niners have lost were. They've lost even close games or games that they probably shouldn't have lost. They've missed deebo. Samuel and when deebo samuel isn't on the field the niners are different team. They're not as good if depot samuels on the field. The niners always have a chance of winning. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who's quarterback it doesn't matter who's missing besides zibo devolve samuels on the field. They have a chance at winning. Every single game is there. He's just that damn good and that's the thing is like yeah. We miss george kittle. But jordan reads been a decent tight end russ rallies getting better balking. He's not great at it but he's getting better. He's not kidding blocking. Nobody's as good as blocking his kill but when he was not there. It's more obvious than any player. I feel like is that crazy to say no. No i i made the case for depot weeks ago Behind it even if he doesn't get the ball you're still playing mind games with the defense seeing devaux in motion even if you wanna have your of your top corners in the league. Tr- davis white on the bills. You'd wanna have Shadow devaux samuel. We'll guess what diebels running across the field will now. There's a chance that davis white could end up running into one of his linebackers or one of his other teammates during that play. Freeing-up deebo samuel. So he just causes up so much frustration for defense because He even if you don't give him the ball say ten times and then he run across again. Defense may just assume that it's a decoy. But then he gets it on that eleventh time will guess what now devils already down the field for twenty yards. I down forty niners. Yeah he's unstoppable. And that's the thing is is the way shanahan uses him. And it's a testament to how good kyle shanahan is that he's able to overcome the deficiencies. They have at quarterback and the deficiencies are less than when jimmy garoppolo is is not is there but the deficiency is still there. They can't throw deep. It's just impossible. They can't hit anybody deep. They just don't do it. they're not able to do it but shanahan knows that and he's able to overcome that and as long as this team can stay relatively healthy as they've been no more sherman injury. No more deebo injuries. I you gonna come back. Trent williams is healthy. There's an argument. This team after sunday can actually make some noise in the playoffs. I know it sounds crazy because the conversation we just had about. Zack wilson and all that stuff last week and that conversation is going to come back at the end of the season or you know when they lose again. That's gonna come back because there is a problem at quarterback. There's a definite problem at quebec watching that game on sunday. It was completely obvious that the forty niners are so talented at every position not just wide receiver. Not just tighten not just running back. Not just it's every position. The line has some problems but it's still better than most lines. We're seeing in the nfl. The niners have a serious serious problem. It's quarterback and it's not just jimmy. Garoppolo performance is jimmy garoppolo health and the question. You have is yes jimmy. Come back before the end of the season and help me with this playoff run. But the guys misled. We said last week. Almost two seasons worth of games. Now do you really wanna take that as your quarterback going forward and then at the same time nick. Mullins and cj beathard cannot be the backups. If jimmy garoppolo is going to be your starter. It's just not possible. They're terrible and they cannot do the job you need you have. I mean shanahan probably had to triple overtime on sunday to just to make up for. How bad nick mullins was. It was insane. I feel like i've never watched anything. That bad. brian hoyer was nichols on sunday. Is that a crazy thing to say. Spd plays the weekly sports betting contest. Challenging you to bed realize on your favorite sports with no real risk sharpen your betting strategies and track your record as you could be with other fans around the nation for a five hundred dollar weekly cash prize. Enter for free today. Spd play dot com. And be sure to use the promo code espy nation to get some bonus cash in your bankroll. This is advertiser content. 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I think americans are watching and thinking and looking at this issue in ways. They never have before. And that's why. I say this is our last best chance because if we don't get it right. This time we're america is headed is someplace. I don't think anybody wants to go. How do we make our last best. Chance count listen to who we are a podcast by ben and jerry's and produced by box creative now streaming wherever you that your podcasts. I don't think it's to crank brian. Horrigan was pretty bad. It was used bad. Yeah no. I know he was an nick. Mullins was trubisky level. Bad and yeah. I don't know if trubisky sunday night but my god and then once carson wentz on monday night my goodness like when we're talking about our quarterback might be worse than those two guys. There's a problem. And i'm not saying jimmy. Garoppolo is worse than those guys. I'm saying that beth. Third and mullins are both burston. Those guys by far and this health thing scares me a little bit. But i mean if jimmy garoppolo comes back screw it. Let's make a run ten and six. Let's talk about it. How do you make a run. How do you make a run. The nfc west is probably going to go to seattle after the win over the eagles. I think they're pretty much set but you can beat them at the end of the season. I think that's totally winnable. Game with jimmy garoppolo back and if they're healthy and i think that they're going to lose the rams again i think the rams are just one of those teams this year. That has a seahawks number. They don't play well against good. Defense is the eagles decent back. Great and the seahawks. Only i think twenty twenty points up on them something like that some low number and it's like the seahawks offense was the number one in the league for a while and chris carson was back. It's not like the seahawks. Were super injured on offense. They started duquet makeup and they struggled against the eagles. i think they lose to the rams. I think they could lose to the forty niners at the end of the season. If jimmy garoppolo is back and the health that they're seeing right now can continue. Yeah i i think they could. So we're saying nick mullins isn't a start for the forty niners for least the next two games So that's buffalo washington. I think dallas is a great opportunity to bring jimmy garoppolo back because while their defense has improved while there has been better. They're still not good at a terrible defense. So i think that could be a great warm up game for jimmy. Even if he is a ninety five percent That that That six weeks window is already gone like that. That's why bring up that dallas game. He he should be ready according to the four to six week window. And so you have buffalo. I think they have a great opportunity. Remember buffalo what happened is the last time they played in. Arizona was a hail murray. That's gonna be in their head. Psychologically on him back into that stadium that was brutal loss for them. And now josh allen doesn't look one hundred percent healthy i saw. He left the game yesterday with a brace on his knee. And then you've got washington football team. Forty-nine should beat them will what concerns me is washington's defensive line But i trust shanahan as a playcaller to figure out a way around that. And not let that defensive line beat you and then like i said dallas that that opens up the final three games dallas arizona. Seattle arizona is a road game. But that's might be like a home game with the with the forty niners playing their next two home games in arizona fact that they haven't left. Yeah they've been a while at that point and now that dallas trip isn't as far as well so they do have some things lining up for them. And and if jimmy garoppolo because nick mullins is bad is bad brian. Hoyer is better than nick mullins so if they could get jimmy garoppolo back for the dallas game in warm him up. I think it's very important to warm him. Up in. Not just throw him out against arizona so you warm up dallas think this team could make and it's wild saying saying this after what we said last season but now our susani last week It's wild saying this. And i think it's just the scene debate on the field seeing most or how he was playing in the first quarter and then still watching that game beating. Tough rams team on the road. It's good in google team. There was no brandon. I you that game so seeing all that material is i think that's why we kind of flipped the script here and say. Hey yeah this team could go on five dollars stretch and it feels like a roller coaster. I think that's the dacoven season mantra and the thing is the quarterback thing is not going away. It's a temporary thing for now. We're just not gonna talk about it because the forty niners potential to make the playoffs and it's all in front of them with the offensive. They're putting out on the defense. They're putting out anything the defense they're putting out specifically what robertson has done and the defense and what richard sherman brings to that team and what kerry hyder brings that team and john kinlaw. Fred warner these guys are superstars. Every single one of the there's not a position on the forty niners defense. That isn't a superstar. They're so talented. At every position. I remember not like superstars like we're thinking like patrick mahomes restore. I'm saying like really great. Nfl player is what. I'm saying morning i guess. Is that every single player on. That defense is really great. They have they don't have any deficiencies on defense and carry hydros proven that you can let default go. I think they said this on the incident. Reacts podcast you can let go in the offseason. Pay kerry hyder and kim fill that position and it looks like he's going to do a great job for you and you're going to have bosa back next season and people forget. We said everything we on the show. Nick bosa is literally one of the most amazing defensive lineman defensive ends in the league and we haven't got to watch him at all this season. Forget how good he is like. It's it's pretty insane. How good nick. And he's not even on this team and this defense still this good and that's probably a testament to sala. Yeah that's definitely a testament to saw. But i also think the position coaches as well. I think it's been a whole group effort with that defense Like you're saying jason brett's been playing at all pro level jimmy war now that he's in that strong safety roles looking a bit like tyrone matthew. I don't want to overreact too much. Because it is one game. We see him play at that high level. But i think that is what he did is something that were just like. Oh my god. That's just a flu can win. Expect it now. That's that's something ginny war can do from a week to week. Basis tar various. More is a rangy high safety. He needs to work on his run support on his angles on the run support but he is extremely rangy at the high safety when they try them. Deep various more was closer to the ball than the receiver was a richard sherman smarts stupidly smart corner Out there so and he's able to. He's a coach on the field. For the defense. Fred warner all-pro drake green really good player. Second year player can laws turning a curve into his rookie ear. Kevin givens looks fantastic from the one tag. Eric arm said his the he gets a lot of you know criticism. But he is a hell of a run defender. He blew up the outside run so many times yesterday. And like you say kerry hyder. His motor just doesn't stop. This defense is really really good in. That's what can carry them in into the playoffs. To where if you get jimmy garoppolo back. Kickback a twenty twenty hype train. Anything is possible. I think that's the thing. And why. I'm ready to just d- just to stop this. This quarterback draft conversation. You know until they lose is because anything is possible at this point. And i feel like we've had a couple of moments like this. The roller coaster goes up after we win and then it goes back down if we lose. It's up to the forty niners now to after they win this game. Go into buffalo and win and go into washington and win and then going to dallas and win and go to the cardinals and win and the seahawks and went and have that kind of momentum of winning and just you know knocking out six in a row which they can do. It's it didn't really possible when we went through the games a couple of weeks ago. I'm like i don't know if he's are all wins or not like nick. Mones are so bad but now that dubose back remains back. The defence is playing even better than it was. There's really a potential to reel off six zero and it would be one of the most amazing things. And i think shanahan should get coach of the year the minute they do it even if they don't do it if they won five in a row or four if they blow to the last game of the season shannon's the coach of the year for me. At least i don't know about you. He may not get the votes depending on what the final record is Like if they're nine seven and they still get in the playoffs. You may not get the votes just because of the record. But my gosh what he's doing with his team is just fantastic and like you said bones bad by. Give him deebo. give him or him. give him brandon. I you this coming week now. You're able to run a more vertical or excuse me horizontal offense. You're not asking so much of nick. Mullins vertically within the playbook and that set up the offense very well because remember those short passes to depot. Behind the line of scrimmage is Take some time off the play clock. I think that works fantastic for the offense. Obviously because you're able to Manage the game and not have to manage against the other team. You're managing the flow of the game at that point but that study defense we just went over your keeping them rested on the sideline and they're not having to go out seaman seamlessly every two minutes. Yeah no totally. And that was the biggest problem. I think against the saints as it felt like they would come out they get killed and then the defense would play decent against drew brees but then they would just blow it at the last minute. I mean keep in mind in that saints game. Like ain't blown out in that saints game and that saints team is the number one seed in the nfc right now and they were in that game with negotiations. They've been in every game except that green bay game where green bay just came in and stop them because they had practice squad players because of covid scare and that's the thing is when they're not completely unhealthy. They're so talented at other positions. It can kind of make up for the deficiency. They have a quarterback. Whether it's mullins garoppolo or beth they've been able to figure it out and they figured out against the rams team that was on their way to potentially being the number one seed in the nfc. They win that. Game against san francisco or phoenix. They potentially are the number one seed over the saints because the saints play the chiefs which is kind of crazy thing i think. I think it'll probably be in the end. It'll be the saints or green bay as the number one seed but my thing is and why i think that one is best case scenario but if you went five of those games you might even be able to sneak in the playoffs the propping about and i think you're with me on this if they went out and go ten six right. They can get that five seat yet. It's so huge in this way. Because you're gonna play the nfc east winner. Weather's the giants the redskins the cowboys even or the eagles They could they could go on a stretch and really take control of the destiny yesterday. That's what they have now but they can turn it into a different aspect to saying. Hey we're the same. Bad badmouth foes like rain would say that was back in two thousand and nineteen if you wanna come test us come test us but we're gonna be ready this time because guess what now deals on the field. Now i use on field now kills on the field. Jordan breeds on the field remote sites on the field. Zooming rob does on the field and our defenses loaded by the way. Remember the two thousand twelve new york giants. They were six thousand six at one point in the season. They want three of their last four. Finish nine and seven and beat the patriots in the super bowl. So it's not some thing where you have to be a into our nine three or whatever it may be at that point. The giants did it. Did it depends gets hot in the forty niners find themselves in the playoffs. That means they got really frigging hot and that means killing grappler back to make this a lot stronger in complement the defense. That's always been. My thing is if they can complement the defense. They'll be fine in. They have an opportunity to win a belief you get. Those players back isn't a compliment. The defense and things can get scary once they build confidence absolutely. And that's the thing is would it be the most twenty twenty ever for the forty niners in the chiefs to the super bowl again after all. Gosh we're we're sitting here is like all right. Let's start looking. Doors zach will sit our new quarterback and then all of sudden they really off six wins in a row. They knock off the washington football team and go to new orleans. Knock him and then they end up playing like seattle. La championship and go to the the craziest thing ever and the thing is if it's crazy we're still talking about this but it is totally up potential. That happens when your defense is this. Good week in and week out. Absolutely there's that he loaded it. It's it's laughing to say you considering where we were last week But the defense is that good. It's just the fact we're seeing. There's really good players on offense to like deebo samuel So that's the case they. They can see themselves there. That'd be the most twenty twenty two rematch against the chiefs and beat the chiefs without a nick bosa. Who was probably the best player on the field that day. It's it's insane but the thing is the potentials is there. And i mean we're podcast to talk about the forty niners. I'm tired of being down on him. I'm tired of talking smack and hoping that they lose out. There's just no point when there's a potential there to really do it and this rams game i think it should have flipped a lot of people switches. I feel and that's what. I really wanna get my point across with this show. The switch should have flipped for you. If you're a diehard forty niner fan that hey there's really a chance they could do this and it doesn't look like anyone in the nfc as world beaters. The really doesn't mean green bay's really good but when rahim is there they've shown an ability to beat that team and if green bay's the best team you're gonna play on your way back to the chiefs. I mean that's win ables. Well if they don't have nick mones at quarterback and yes. We said a million times on here. Jimmy garoppolo's not a great quarterback is is ceiling is above average. But he's not nick mullins. He has the ability to overcome certain things with his arm. That nick mullins does not. And i think yes. The all line is a problem but if he is ninety eight ninety nine percent i think he can maybe maneuver a little more than he was against. That's in that seahawks game. Yeah and i think the key with green bay is you gotta smack in the mouth that first matchup against them this year. They didn't do that. they did that twice last year. looking at green bay's other losses. The buck nears smacked him in the mouth and whoop them and the minnesota. Vikings smacked him in the mouth and it felt like they whipped The box score was different. You could tell that green bay was just not in that game to win it and if you get these offense players back with this loaded defense. The forty niners would smack them in the mouth a second time because they're not running river craft which is pretty fantastic name as a receiver. That as he's he's not the other guys forty niners have They were down to their what sixth seventh wide. Receiver that game on november. He moster So it is just. It will be a different narrative they lined up against green bay once again. And guess what if it is freezing cold in lambeau. The forty niners know how to win with the horizontal offense. So you're not being forced to have your quarterback throw twenty yards downfield in negative degree. Weather will because the forty niners could maneuver. Behind the line of scrimmage perfectly fine in that type of weather exactly and the other big match up Would be the one the worry after the if they beat buffalo in arizona's that seattle game after we saw russell. Jimmy garoppolo did and what russell wilson was able to decay metcalf against our defense. A lot of people worried. But i think richard sherman would be able to shutdown became metcalf in a way that you know they weren't able to do in the first matchup maybe not completely shut them down like jalen. Ramsey does but i think having sherman back against became makeup is a huge deal and not to mention grobbelaar was injured in that game and yes he was awful but i mean i will say was injured in that game. It wasn't like it was just. He was awfully awfully still is still pretty injured. But i think that it's a different match up now because san francisco's defense. Is that much better. In the past versus going to get to russell wilson and i think metcalf becomes less of a factor. He's not just killing you. That game is winnable and writing that game and that ending your six game stretch of the season too. I think it's completely what about. I don't know about you but i think it's game. Yeah that that game could mean nothing at that point for seattle depending on the standings to where they could just go out there when gino smith but it but for this case they do roll out. Russell wilson will jimmy garoppolo. Didn't have deebo samuel at the time didn't have re most his actual his back was jerick. Mckinnon didn't even have jeff wilson for that game either. So that bodes well for jimmy as well as russell. Wilson respects richard sherman a ton. Look at the previous matchups between the forty niners and the seahawks each time sherman's on the field playing against russell's russell. Wilson doesn't try him. Does not try richard sherman. He always throws on the opposite corner or in the middle of the field. Will now you have sherman out there and if you wanna try and pick on Good luck because he is a hell of a corner. Yeah absolutely. I just think that the win their healthy right now. The this healthy forty niners team matches up with everyone. Well and if garoppolo can come back douse game like we talked about. There's really a potential for this team. And i don't wanna say super bowl too much because i don't i'm not there yet. I think i think i'm close. But i think i need to see how they play against the buffalo bills. Get keep in mind coming up monday morning. We got a big preview episode of the buffalo bills. Game as we're all we're gonna talk about before the game. Get you hype to beat buffalo and continue this ten and six run but the thing is once they beat buffalo. That's what i think. I'll be ready to start talking super bowl because the washington football team is bad. The dallas cowboys are bad. There's a cardinals just lost the newark. New england patriots. Who the niners kicked our. When jimmy garoppolo and it seems like arizona has progressively gotten worse every week since that buffalo game. They lost a seattle and they didn't look good against the allen. we know who seattle. It's yes dunlap was there. And that's a big factor. I guess for them but we know what the seahawks are on defense and they the cardinals loss on that thursday night game yes. It's thursday nights different but the cardinals haven't looked over the last two weeks. If they can beat the cardinals they can beat the seahawks. And then once. You've won six in a row anything's possible. Yeah i would say that's probably the biggest test on their schedule. Remaining would be the cardinals. Josh allen does not play. Good on mondays and tuesdays this year. He's pretty bad. Etter games are on sundays. So they're playing the bills on monday. Perfect and then football team cowboys and then cardinals. And like i said that seahawks game could nothing for them to where they rolled out gina smith at that point of season. We'll see But i think cornell's is probably their biggest test yet. I think if jimmy garoppolo does play that cowboys game and that he set to play against the cardinals. Jimmy garoppolo has some of his best games in his career against the cardinals. I ever start in the nfl with the patriots was against the cardinals team. That was coming off a playoff Year and they were projected pretty to do well that year and jimmy garoppolo just tore them up through for over three hundred yards. And then you look at last year. One of his best game of the seasons on halloween where he was fantastic so he plays in that stadium and that first game this year against the cardinals. Jimmy garoppolo was was just bad. We'll call it. What it is. He a kendrick bourne in the end zone completely underthrown. I don't think he plays that type of game if he's able to play against the cowboys warmer and then play against the cardinals. I think you'll be a lot more tuned in a lot. More ready to go considering he had no preseason before week one. And that's the thing if they sneak into the playoffs and i think we kinda brought this up last week. Because we're you know we're trying to make the case for making the playoffs and nominee playoffs. They sing in the playoffs in a covid season. Anything's possible. and it's wild. I was gonna. There's probably going to be eight playoff teams because it doesn't. I don't know how this baltimore steelers came gets played tomorrow but whatever if feels like there's going to be a playoff teams. It really feels like that's going to happen. And they're going to be one of them because the bear stink viking stink. There's so many bad teams in the nfc. And i'm gonna tell you this from from from the second in command of the zack wilson hype. Train real quick. Don't worry about the draft. Pick they're going to figure it out. If if the guy is there they want. They will get him winning now in a year when it felt like everything had gone wrong when everything that we didn't you know we came in this. It was all it was all in front of them right and everything's gone and they now have the potential to do what we didn't think possible a week ago. Winning now is more important and complete teeter totter from last week winning now were important than the draft. Pick as much as i was totally down to tank for core back on the future. If they can pull it off we will never forget the twenty twenty season even if they don't make to the super bowl to the nfc championship or they barely lose a divisional round game. We will never forget this season for the rest of our lives. The fact that they went through more injuries that any team in the history of the nfl has gone through and still found a way to persevere and make the playoffs shows you how good shanahan is and how good they have done. John lynch and adam peters building roster and why. You shouldn't be afraid of the fact that they're going to find the quarterback of the future. They will find him. I don't know when they're going to find him. And i hope that that. Go for those people that in the draft of that were just like really really really wanna that draft pick contract are the salary cap is getting thinned out next year. Who knows a guy like matthew stafford could be on the market or a guy like dak prescott could be on the market. And i think those would be two quarterbacks at forty niner fans would be very very happy for absolutely. I just want a young guy on a contract so fill me to i. I don't want to eke out a little bit. But i will Every time i play madden. I just redraft rookies. Redraft raise redraft rookie. So i get the contract. Standpoint I just wanted to just choke show an example of kuwait. No one of veteran option instead because fan hand does like his veteran players. I and i think. I think what we do going forward. Close out the show. Is we out jimmy garoppolo and see where the playoffs take us. Because i really think and this just doesn't the hype train speaking. I think this is like most. Nfl analysts are saying this. The forty niners are going to make playoffs after yesterday. The forty nine hundred percent gonna make the playoffs now. I hope that nick mullins isn't the quarterback the next couple of weeks and they try out josh johnson. Just give shot. But the forty niners so if they're gonna the playoffs. Let's go tennis things. That's gotta be the mentality. Bruno fans going forward. And i'm sure that got blamed that but i'll say it again. Let's go ten and six. Why not yet let let's do it. the five seat is the key to this so that the first round you could play the nfc east. Let's do it went out when every single game you can do it. Come on i believing shanahan exactly if they want to take out your stuff wheel. How can they do it so you can find me on. Sports illustrated all forty niners. As i will be uploading a article while while you're listening to this on a tuesday. 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Ep. 257: MULLENS MANIA

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Ep. 257: MULLENS MANIA

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Welcome to this week tradition in the Niners nation dot com. Rivals podcast. My name is Oscar apprecia- and this week. It is a win Wednesday, and it's actually Tuesday because we're coming at you from the past it's Tuesday voting day, and it went Wednesday. It's all of amazing this smashed up into one day that is not following any rules of the space time continuum and with me as always is co host, Mr. Jerod Brown Jared. How are you doing today? I'm doing good a day earlier than normal but excited to get at it earlier than normal. Thanks to the Thursday night game in in a little bit of an extended break for the forty Niners to at a good time. That's exactly right. So before we get into the final battle of the ban the game recap. I'm super interested to hear about how you're going to vote on I think prop seven because that's the daylight savings time one, right? I believe that is in. I you know, I've thought about it a little bit because Aaron is one of the places that doesn't do it. There are some drawbacks in both cases, particularly as a teacher. It's kind of nice right now when I go to school in the mornings that it's light out whereas just two weeks ago. I was getting to school rolling around six thirty or so kinda prepping and do an early bird stuff and his dark out and just sort of sets a sort of ominous tone. So I actually kinda dig setting falling back a little bit. So that I get the little bit of daylight in the morning. But I also understand wanting to keep it lighter a little later. It outta here with this politician answer. This non answer answer. It. You can't say both are. Okay. I I'm pinning it down in honor of voting day highly diplomatic. I think I I'd vote to keep it. Oh, man. Yeah. To get rid of it. Get rid of I'm I'm voting from afar with spirit only for California stuff because I'm over here voting in Texas elections, but it wasn't deed the battle of the bay. I have got a Turpin dream APA in American pale ready to go because that game was indeed a dream. I mean, we said at the beginning or in our preview we said the best quarterback is going to win. We just had no idea that best quarterback was going to be McMullan's yet. I did not see that. Come. I mean, I don't know that anybody saw it coming maybe perhaps accept Kyle Shanahan or assumed that he could make it happened on the less, but Nick Molins played. Not not lights out. But better than what the raiders could get their quarterback to play a whether that's coaching whether that's scheme. Whether that's other players around him either way. Nick woolens was the best quarterback on the field. And as a result. Like we thought the forty Niners came out on top pretty impressive while the forty Niners. Do indeed win the final battle of the bay the forty Niners one maybe their most complete game of the Cal Shanahan era. Their highest offensive output of two thousand eighteen thirty four points tied for their third highest offensive output overall in the collar Shanahan era. Of course, the Jaguars forty four points was tops Rams with could O'Brien Hoyer thirty nine points. And then the Rams again and that meaningless week seventeen game thirty four points the forty Niners defense had eight sacks. They are now tied Jared get this. They're not tied for seventh in the NFL. With twenty four sacks on the back of that aid sack performance and they had to turnovers in the game that plus two turnover margin incident. Really tied for the second highest total and the highest attorney over margin in the Shanahan era. Actually, that's surprising. Just because I don't generate a turnovers but overall in terms of a complete game. This was as big and as complete of a game as the forty Niners have ever put together in the Cal Shanahan era. And it took a pretty hapless Oakland Raiders team in order to do it. Typically, the forty Niners. At least recently have appeared to be this team the team on the other end of these sort of games. I mean this year it's been a better and their losses are tight and even the losses last year were tight as well. But sort of you you kind of been prepping or the that's the proverbial you prepping for the forty Niners being the team that sort of looks like they don't have the answers, whether it's because of the lack of depth or whatever it may be that turnover differential is absolutely huge because sort of efforts glance you think two turnovers not a big deal, but they didn't give the ball away. Really? And even the fumble that they ended up recovering was not a big deal. So that I the idea that they are sort of in the plus column any way you slice this game. As we saw turned out to be some. I mean, I don't know that anybody for predicted this kind of score this sort of apparent dominance from the forty Niners. And that was in all phases. Obviously the offense. Really exciting with Nick Mullins playing well for a week or at least doing well enough for a week. But defensively this was one of their best games in whether it's the raiders or not this NFL talent that the forty Niners went out in absolutely dominated in every aspect to have eight sacks in in really third of their sacks this season coming into the Oakland Raiders, whether it's stat padding or not the really impressive overall performance from the past Russian when we've obviously been on them a lot with caches Merced being sort of the guy, but I gotta give him some credit. He you know, he beat the guys that that the Oakland Raiders elected to line up across the line of scrimmage from him. So as you mentioned overall just any way you slice is an absolute complete dominating effort by the forty Niners in is kind of exciting. We said not a big deal. Final battle the bay. But in national prime-time, kind of nice to know that the forty Niners show up whereas the raiders, obviously didn't. One question for you about Nick Mullins, if you had to start a franchise right now would you choose to start with either Nick Mullins or Derek Carr? Go. Nimmo's? I gotta go with Derek Carr. Obviously, the Nick Molin story is very fun. And it's early on in perhaps he suddenly. You know, blows up all his colleague or peer from his Oma mater Brett farve. But this is one game as you mentioned against a bad raiders defense. I think Derek Carr guideline or not is working with a limited coaching staff because I've really just not impressed with Jon Gruden and what he's doing there and again defensively the raiders were absolutely atrocious. So it's not by any means all on Derek Carr. So I think I'd still take Derek are. Well, I think you're right to to choose Derek Carr. And ultimately, I think while yes, we joked a bit like the best quarterback on on Thursday wasn't Nick Mullins. He played a good game. But he he did exactly what the offense asked him to do. And that was just enough to beat up on the Oakland Raiders. I don't know that we are at the point where we're going to anoint Nick Mullins, a it was a fun game. But that's all it was. I think it's important context. The note that he's a third string quarterback. And I think that that's important to know only because that makes his performance just a bit more impressive. He had he wasn't invited to the combine. He didn't have. Predrag visit other than what the forty Niners and overall, I think you put it in that context and said, okay, actually, executing the offense may have been too much for a third string quarterback. And it's probably a lot for many third string quarterbacks in the league. But he did it against a defense. That is not good and a defense that where he was able to find wide open wide receivers. Nick Mullins effectively faced no pressure all might on Thursday. He was only pressured on three snaps. Three snaps not a lot. He did not have very many tight window throws. He only had three. He threw one to kill which was ridiculous catch by Gidel. I was absurd, but he missed on a back shoulder throw to Garson. And then he had an end zone throw that was nearly picked off and probably should've picked off. But overall what Nick Mullins did was he played average or at the expected level for an NFL quarterback and against the really really crappy defense and with a coordinator and someone creating off. Offense at the degree in school level to which Shanahan creates the offense. This is what you get. And that doesn't mean that Nick Mullins is phenomenal. It's a fun story. It's a great story. But this is base level offense if Shanahan has a quarterback that can execute. I would agree. I would also add that I think this highlights more. So some of CJ Beathard shortcomings in not that CJ Beathard is not a backup quarterback in the league. I think he's showing that he's good enough to do that. When Nick Mullins did do. Well, I thought was an I think some of this has to do with the fact that he like you mentioned that context that he's a third string quarterback. He recognizes. He's a third string quarterback. Right. These guys they have to go out and sort of make these wild plays. If he wants to keep his job because sort of sticking around on the practice squad and just being affective inefficient. There is never gonna give him the opportunity to ascend into either make the fifty three man roster long-term or eventually maybe not what the forty Niners, but to earn a starting position somewhere. What I thought he did. Well, was he took some risks? Is that a long-term sort of franchise quarterback? Jimmy Garoppolo might not even take the same risks because this sort of half to right? What's the worst that happens with with Nick Mullins if he doesn't play well in the game against the raiders that everybody goes always his third string quarterback Cal Shanahan's working with his backups backup? What could they possibly do? Nick Mullins doesn't have any career starts. He wasn't even drafted. You know, all these reasons for him not to be successful. Whereas when he succeeds, it's, you know, now, there's this national storylines. There's really not a whole lot of loss potential there for Nick Mullins to really rip the ball. In n let it go particularly the throat, George Kittle, which was a remarkable play more. So from Kittles perspective because I think maybe ten receivers whether it's titan or receivers, I think ten receivers may be in the league are willing to actually run over the middle like that in that traffic in space and still even put a hand out to potentially make a catch with what seemed to be sort of imminent contact. But the fact that Nick Mones through that ball is pre PR. Pretty wild. I don't know that there's many legit starting quarterbacks in the league that are gonna routinely try to make that throw. And instead, they might, you know, look look to sort of make the save check down throw Nick Mullins with nothing to lose. Probably not a great decision off, you know, sort of falling backwards, but let it rip nonetheless. I think as you mentioned this was more about what Kyle Shanahan can do with even average quarterback play an average offensive talent aside from George Kibble and his ability to when they recognize or when they play a bad team to just maximize everything in full throttle people. I don't even know that I would necessarily say that it's that you could compare this one game from from Mullins and Beth entirely because I think that what makes J bathroom basically recoil and become you know, kind of third round crap. Rookie CJ Beathard is pressure. The and we saw what CJ Beathard could do at sea at peak CJ Beathard and that was the first half against the Green Bay game. Of course, he paired that with a terrible half in the second half against Green Bay. So I think that CJ Beathard has had a little bit higher highs so far this season than Nick Mullins. But if Nick Mullins can just continue to execute the offense like this in play consistently. Then I think that you abandoned the peaks and valleys of CJ Beathard, and you go with someone who's a bit more consistent because I think that Nick Mullins did some really nice things. He looked off the safety down the goal line on the touchdown pass to Kendrick born. Which is something that again, we talk about that. Like, it's to some this amazing thing, but this should be expectation for for above average quarterbacks. Right. It shouldn't be some kind of marvel to look up safety. And yet that's where we're at between suggest either Nick Mullins. I think when you look at the big time throw that Nick Mullins had. And this is a pro football focus rated big time throw. It was a dig to Garson on a dagger concept and Edyta concept is really a two sometimes three person concept where you have if you're counting receivers outside Enron. You've got your number one on the outside number two in the slot and the outside receiver ones a run the dig route the inside receiver runs a clear. Or a deep route. And basically what that does is against cover to which is the raiders are playing you had Richey James run that deep brought occupy both deep safeties. And then you had Garcia run that dig and it had just a bunch of space vacated but Leon hall, which Niner fans should remember him from last year. I still can't believe that guy's employed, but he he's an hook zone, and he gets pretty decent depth. He's really really deep and Mullins has dropped the ball overly on hall who jumps to try and swat it. But ahead of the two safeties and drop it right into peer on saints, which he does it was one of his best throws of the night. And that's what I think. I mean by it's it's someone who is executing what the offense is giving him and he did fairly. Well. And so I think when you look at those two things I think overall, I'm not ready to say like, you know, I it's just this world-beater performance. But he did what he needed to do to keep the team on schedule. And based on what the forty Niners do on offense. That's enough to beat bad teams and the Niners. We. I would hope at this point in their development should be good enough to beat really really bad teams. You raise a really good point with the this idea of the peaks and valleys that you're getting with CJ Beathard. I think you're right that CJ Beathard best. A what we've seen from him. When he's at his best is a pretty impressive player, maybe not a long-term starter. But definitely has the tools to play in the NFL. However, his worst is pretty bad. And you know, the five turnover performance against the cardinals for the entire team is what what lost that game in CJ Beathard to obviously directly impact that turnover differential, and if neck Molins as you mentioned can just sort of be consistent, and maybe every once in a while make these big time throws one two maybe three a game cow Shanahan's gonna do the rest, and it's going to get guys open with average at best talent in Nick Molins, maybe the consistency there because I don't know that not I don't know the forty Niners. Don't see Nick Mullins yet as a long term option at quarterback. I doubt they ever will. But maybe this guy really is the deal. However, there is something to be said for sort of consistency in knowing what you're gonna get every week and being able to operate in within that knowledge and do everything else right to put the team in a position to succeed right now. Nick Mones is probably the guy that does that. I think in in that case should get the starting nod. But I don't know that you know, you're looking at this guy, even as a immediate backup long-term. There's still a lot to be seen there some stuff that he does. Well, there's some stuff that needs to get cleaned up. And perhaps what might be best is to just have Kyle Shanahan keep doing his thing. Yeah. I think the one area where Nick Mullins really impressed me was his performance against the blitz, and this speaks I think to something that fans have identified, and I think a little rightfully so which is the speed of processing or the mental processing that Nick Mullins displayed in this game that we haven't always seen from CJ Beathard it. I think it's a little difficult to to kind of unpack in discern really what it means. For a quarterback to have really really quick mental processing because I think that lots of times this gets thrown in lumped in with kind of like you're a dumb quarterback. You're a smart quarterback you, and I think sometimes honestly, this has racial overtones. You're black quarterback of your white quarterback. But I think that that mental processing for a quarterback is something that you can measure, and that is something that is there. And when you look at the performance against the blitz specifically, Nick Mullins, performed really really well didn't get blitzed a lot. He was blit six times. But on those six blitzes he completed four passes of those six for eighty five yards, which was fourteen point two yards per attempt and one touchdown based on PF gray that was his highest graded split, which I think is is important to note because that's the one thing that's J Beathard did which was hold onto the ball too long. And honestly even Jimmy Garoppolo who had a remarkably quick processing speed and release time in the last five games of last season. Didn't really display that I think as much as we would have liked at the beginning of twenty eight. Eighteen so I think of Nick Mullins can continue to process the game as quickly as he did against the raiders. I think that bodes well for continuing to manage the game not make too many mistakes because he did have some turnover worthy throws. But I think overall that's the kind of consistency that you would want. And if Nick Mones is able to do this for the rest of the year, I think it's pretty clear that he becomes the backup to Jimmy Garoppolo. And with the amount of tape that he would have you could flip them in a couple of years for traffic. I think that's always been sort of the plan to in regards to CJ Beathard is let's develop these guys once they signed Jimmy Garoppolo long-term. That's obviously this sort of the go-to guy figure out who's going to be the long-term starter in in in any excuse me, the long-term backup in any case. You know, all of these guys get to the NFL by being ultracompetitive? They want to be starters. If you can if Shanahan can get enough on tape for Nick Mullins, CJ Beathard who whoever it is to flip them even for a sort of. You know, sort of to compensate what they spend at least on CJ Beathard in in the first in the first place, even even better, but to identify a potential long-term backup that could win games when called upon we had this as a couple of weeks ago. I think in regards to CJ Beathard in, you know, very few backup quarterbacks in the league are able to just kind of get inserted into the offense. And suddenly, you know, play like the starter never left. I mean, there's a reason that there's only thirty two starters in the NFL in. Sometimes I'd venture to say that we don't even have that many right now, but to have a reliable backup that may never actually be legit starter, but sort of adds, some consistency. Entrust their gives the forty Niners some leverage in comfort knowing that especially right now, if they're really trying to maximize or what appears to be, you know, when when John Lynch in Kashan in signed with with organization seemed like all right? We're going to really make a push this thing a backup quarterback. Hell. As we saw last year with the Philadelphia Eagles in having somebody that can get in there. And at least run the offense at a solid level is sometimes enough for for a good offensive coach to make successful. But it wasn't just the quarterback who had success against Oakland. There were also other parts of the team that had success against a a hapless raiders mandate. They are they're fully embracing the the full tank, but one of the areas, of course, that had some success was the forty Niners receivers they took advantage of about opponent and had one of their better games of the year. They really did in as much as the story line is about Nick Moen's. I think what the forty Niners receiving core did specifically to get open. And then maximize yards after catch was really really impressive on a short week where you know, guys bodies. Just don't feel right overall. They had an eighty three point two team receiving grade from PF, which is very high. That's over nine points higher than their second. The second best game that they've played this year which goes against the chargers, ironically, another or the chargers a solid solid defense. Good team playing well, but the forty Niners receivers did play fairly well against them earlier in the year the yards after catch though. And this is sort of ties into our discussion with Nick Mullins in regard. Nick Mullins Nick Molins threw for a total of two hundred and sixty two passing yards. But specifically between pure Garson Richey James in George Kibble, one hundred sixty two of their receiving yards came after yards or were yards after the catch meaning that peer Garson Ritchie James and George Kittle catching the ball, and then continuing to run and in some cases, that's Nick Mullins putting the ball in a good spot. But in a couple of these cases, I think that's the explosiveness or the ability of Richie James, particularly and George Kittle the raiders defense didn't play very well in on those three sort of major splash plays particularly Garcia touchdown the very long. Impressive cat from George kit. Where Nick Mones threw the ball and some crazy traffic, and they still completed the catch and enriching jeans fifty something yard reception. I think that there's an important discussion there to be had that while Nick Mones did really well, the one hundred sixty two yards came after the catch on those three plays that I mentioned those splash plays. It was like. One hundred forty nine yards or so so these receivers also really really made some impressive plays. And if we're gonna discuss it, this is Nick Molin sort of breakout game think we have to inherently discuss it. This is the first time that we've seen the forty Niners receiving core. Absolutely dominate somebody. Well, I think when a wide receiver is that wide open, and they're able to get that many arms after the catch. I think that's a testament to the way the offense is structured. I'm thinking of to play specifically one. The why the absolute wide open touchdown to peer Garson. I mean that what Garson literally had I I don't think there was a defender within what five ten yards of him even more. I went and watched the safety was was ten yards was ten yards away from paragraph zone in his momentum was taking him the wrong direction. And you don't even get that open in the big twelve in college. Like that some straight MAC bullshit. Like, that's that. You do not even see that in college. And that's how wide open peer Garson was. And I think that Mullins, of course, find. Ding him getting the ball to him and making sure that that's a completed pass is is not doesn't mean that moans is great. It just means he's able to execute. And that means that Cal Shanahan called a phenomenal counterpunch to a collection of plays in that opening script. And then I think of that that the play to Ritchie James, and that I think is a little bit more on Mullins because he does identify the blitz and he does throw it through the open receiver. But then I mean that receiver had off coverage all he had to do was basically running catch and then sprint in the open field in that again means that you've got Shane news understanding that he's got to put those concepts together. And Nick Mullins just took with the defense gave him. I think overall the receivers played well, but I still think a lot of this has to do with with the way the Cal Shannon's able to put his receivers in a position to succeed. He just finally had a quarterback that could distribute it. He finally did in. It was really exciting to see as you mentioned with with Nick Mones ability to identify blitzes, which you know, so much of what you what I think a defensive coordinator wants to do. We'll get into this more even later, but you wanna bring pressure on a young guy that you don't know what sort of live bullets Nick Mones is seen and his ability at least on four of those throws to identify where the bliss was coming from to get the ball out in rhythm. And then to allow the receivers to make plays is really impressive particularly this far as making plays just another week where George Kittle shows up as as who am I would say looking around the league right now, he's he's one of the best from a from a perspective that he he's the high. He's the best receiver on this team weakened weak out. He's the he's the most dangerous threat. He's a mismatch. Whatever you wanna label him. We've yet to see somebody really put the clamps on him. And in addition to that, he's comfortable blocking the forty Niners can leave him on the field at all times for any reason. Even. When they wanna mix in some of those backup tight ends to go with two tight end sets right now as you look around the league. I it's hard to see a player that is playing better than George killer. Who is just routinely making splash plays. Did you see that George kill judges like how how good he's playing by? How other type how many other elite tight ends are following him on Twitter. Like apparently after Sunday's game. Travis Kelsey started following him. And get it was like, oh, this is great. I've I've been following China's Kelsey for years. So now that he's following me. I know I'm doing well. I think there's a I can't remember who said that there's a quote from famous athlete, it may even in by athlete. I actually might be Dwayne the rock Johnson. But I think he says when he played football. He's an greatest you don't have to tell people how good you are they'll tell you. So I think George Kittles on the right track. There you know, now that he's making a little noise. People are starting to let him know how good he is. But just overall an impressive player that coming out of China in a scheme that just doesn't highlight. Particularly tight ends. But really out boundary. Skill players in any regard. The fact that the forty Niners were able to get him when they were when healthy he looks like an absolute stud for the next four or five years. No doubt. And I do think it's important to note the talent level but Cal Shanahan is working with because he has remolded and reform this roster and the players that he's doing this with our a third string quarterback that didn't get a visit an undrafted quarterback who didn't get invited at the combine a third round quarterback for the other half of the games that were well more than half. Again. We're talking about. Matt breed is an undrafted free agent. George kills a fifth round tight end. I mean, the wide receivers were effectively scrapheap wide receivers peer or someone was considered a bit over the hill. Markings Gooden was considered just the deep threat Richey James is another late round draft pick. I think he's a fifth rounder. Trent Taylor's fifth rounder. He's not doing this with like pedigree talent. And yet he's able to be in the upper third of the league and explicit plays. His. His offense of Devi away is beyond. I think what the talent would give him his PF f grades are really really good. And I think it's just because he's able to maximize what these players can do. But I think this is also where you see a little bit of the marriage of the scouting department. In addition to what Cal hen wants from these positions and wants from these players, you see a bit of that combination of able to shine through in the way that Shanahan's able to deploy these players. So I think you look at the offense of success any offensive success that we've had this season is really a testament to both Cal Shanahan and how Shanahan has worked with front office. The we've had this discussion before, but this this sort of cohesiveness in an organization is critical to the sort of overall success. And like you said what they've been able to do really on the fly because you couldn't predict obviously the Jimmy Garoppolo is gonna go down. You couldn't predict jerick. Mckinnon really the free agent guide that they went after in terms of skill position. Couldn't predict that. He was going to go down. Dante Pettis hasn't played a lot as as sort of the receiver that they drafted obviously with his skills and ability in mind is far as what he could bring the Shanahan's offense. They're really sort of mismatching or sort of mixing all of this together. And it's morphed from what looked like it would be Jimmy Garoppolo in jerick McKinnon show to sort of using George Biddle as the focal point of this offense. And then doing other things around him in what he can do well sort of collectively as a team than to find some success. Obviously you wanna see it week to week play out in. There's been some issues with CJ Beathard at quarterback in in particular, some of their performance against their own a cardinals just a couple of weeks ago in they've still got some tests moving forward, but on the fly to do this is really really impressive. And it just in my opinion serves as a reminder that cow Shanahan. He's still in that top tier of not just offense of coaches, but have head coaches and in with even average talent he's able to. You know on the go and mid season continued to adapt and continue to make sure that his scheme is successful, which is really really difficult in the NFL where every team is fielding elite player, you know, above average players sands. Maybe the the Cleveland Browns from time to time. Now, this is still a bad Oakland team rather than we're not sitting here and saying that Shannon is ready to take the next step into being like the taking the team the Super Bowl or something. But I think it is important for teams to beat up on teams that they are better than when you're a good team. And we talked about this during the Harbaugh years, you should be able to beat and dunk on the teams that you were clearly better than it's when you then go up against the team that is equally talented or more talented that things get a bit more fifty fifty and in that kind of difficult I could win. Maybe I don't win kind of range. But ideally, the next that for this team is not to go eleven and four or ten and six, but it's to start convincingly and consistently beating team. Games where they are at either a coaching or talented advantage. And hopefully that talented advantage becomes a bit greater soon. But right now, I think the Niners have a clear coaching advantage for several teams in the NFL. And that I think is what showed in the game against Oakland. It absolutely did in. Once this talent is able to sort of match other top rosters in the league. In particularly looking at the indecision rival saints or excuse me. Rams the saints in a conference as well. But not not in division there. But nonetheless, those two teams for roster perspective seem to have better talent when the forty Niners are able to match some of those teams is exciting to think about what caution hand might be able to do. All right now, let's talk a little bit about spotlight players because then I've got one on defense and you've got one on offense. And while we're not talking a huge amount about the defense in the the recap of the Oakland game. Because Mullins mania was definitely the story. I do think it's important to highlight one, Mr. Dakota Watson every time. I think of this name I just think of that scene in coming to America as like crown heights. Ole miss the Randy Watson, that's what that's how I want to say. His name all the time to coda Watson. Putt. He basically completely abused, whomever. The raiders put out at left tackle. He had two sacks four hurries six total pressures. He showed speed around the edge power to go through offensive linemen. And even showed a spin move. That was a counter that was pretty effective actually had the offensive lineman. Not trip them. This was Dakota Watson's I came back from injury. And he played really really well again talent needs to be kind of put into or this needs to be put into context when he was going up against. A raiders team that looks like they've just flat out given up. But I do think the coulda Watson's definitely going to be someone. I'm watching against the New York Giants because if he can continue this performance, we may have found an edge rusher that can provide a spark where the Niners have had no spark edge rusher up to now. They really haven't in a reminder that Dakota Watson also is a core special teamer. So, you know, year one two three maybe of this rebuild. He's a guy that's gonna stick around that could play on the edge could play a little bit of Sam linebacker for them. Finally, we get to see somebody that can legitimately rush the passer in, you know, not. So surprisingly the rest of the pass rush. Did did. Well, also, it was sort of a collective effort. Whether that's because Watson returned or not he individually played really, well, the group that he's a part of or sort of that that pass rushing group played well in she was a part of that suits going to be interesting to see how they play against the job. Giants in other teams moving forward, particularly when they see the Rams again and have an opportunity in division to make a little bit of potential noise. But nice to have him back. I saw something today that mentioned or a a tweet today mentioning that Dakota Watson said that the reason he felt so good was that he's actually dropped a little bit of weight from last year, and that he was playing at a little bit more of a lighter weight, which obviously, you know, turns up that speed athleticism a little bit which is really what the forty Niners need in this scheme in terms of pass rushing ability. Solomon Thomas is gonna win with a little bit of hustle and energy and effort incised inside Buckner deforest Buckner is gonna win with crazy power length a good hand usage. But they really don't have that sort of fearful speed rusher. Somebody that can routinely get around the edge. And if Dakota Watson, obviously, a veteran in the league, but if you can come with, you know, even some even some bit of Burson explosiveness off the edge, you know, within the first three or four steps whether he's going to be. This, you know, high number. I don't know that he's ever going to be a double digit sack player. But if his speed and burst off the edge is enough to give offense of line offense of line coaches in offense lineman concern than the forty Niners have already improved their pass rush drastically. It'll be interesting to watch how they continue to to rotate those snaps moving forward because this is now another player that seems to have earned some pass rushing snaps. So you're looking at Sheldon day, Cassius Marsh. Ronald Blair Dakota, Watson sold Thomas to force Buckner. Eric Armstead in trying to figure out who among these guys. Or what rather what group of these guys three or four can be our routine pass rush package on third down memory expecting pass. I think Dakota Watson even in one week. Whether it's the raiders are not has to have put himself squarely in that in that conversation as a guy you got to get on the field. I think that this is now year this is your eight for Dakota Watson he was drafted by Tampa Bay in the seventh round in two thousand ten so he's been around longer than I than I thought he was honestly it felt like he was like a four or five year guy. And he's never had a pass rush grade above what looks like sixty seven or sixty nine which was twenty eleven twenty thirteen when he was still at Tampa Bay. So what's the likely outcome? What's the likely scenario? Chances are he'll come back to earth when he when he faces better competition. But I think that this is the rest of this year is the part of the year where you should be tinkering like you should be trying different different alignments and be trying different things with players. I'm glad that tar Baroness more got a few snaps their in the fourth quarter to see what he could do in some games. Naps. And I do think that if anyone coulda Watson should take some caches, Marsha snaps to be honest with you. We know what we have in cash us. Marshon it's just a rotational guy. That's just okay. So, you know, I think you're right to say that the Niners should be tinkering and trying at this point because they've gotta figure. Out who they're going to keep and retain in give meaningful snaps to next year. When the Niners are really going to be under the playoff gun. Absolutely. You know without calling out Cassius Marsh too much. I think that's the guy that that has to see some of his snap count dwindle. And maybe quite frankly that make that might make him more, you know, sort of effective when Morsch himself doesn't have to be this. You know, forty five fifty snap player game. I don't know his exact counts. But when he's not always the dude in the one that has to sort of be expected to be the speed rusher off the edge. It might actually make him more effective when he's not in every down player are apple. Let's get to the person that you jinxed because you full on Jing someone before the the game. And now, they have a flailing arm, and it was disgusting to see and hear on the broadcast. So give us your spotlight player. I've got a spotlight Rahim most are in in some ways. This is a bit of an apology. I'm sure he listened to the podcast just like many other 49ers players and coaches, but while Robert Thala front of the now, absolutely absolutely. Not surprisingly the forty Niners. Offensive turnaround is coming at a time where we were specifically giving advice there. But absolutely just before most or got hurt. I tweeted something out about, you know, his explosiveness, and he had that nice long. Touchdown touchdown that mcglinchey really led the way for but nonetheless, you know, here's where he most on the field again making an explosive play when he touches the ball. This dudes getting seven eight yards of pop in a variety of ways. So I'm highlighting Abiola. I'm feeling good. Because here I am identifying talent in in the forty Niners. Got this this explosive backup running back. Give him some snaps over Alfred Morris and all this and then his arm Ben's in ways, you don't wanna see a band on national television with through was so gross. It what you can hear the snap on the broadcast. It was bad. And at some point somebody that works within the production departments has to say. Hey, guys, we're gonna show this everyone on Twitter's asking for a warning. So let's let's give an open broadcasts warning before we show, it it just this sort of silly the sort of wims ical nature with which they go. Hey, look at this home. Gosh is arms into it's sort of silly. But just before he got hurt I called him out hyped him up. And then he goes and gets hurt in. It's really too bad. Because he looked like he was at a spot where you know, in terms of overall career development. Maybe this guy's gonna take a little bit of a leap in in really become an established backup player in in a league that likes to go, you know, running back by committee earn himself some snaps above that. He was a he's a Pro Bowl special teams player. And I don't know that people recognize the there is going to be a drop off in a loss because he's gone be gunner. He is he's phenomenal. And there's not many players in the league that can do it as well as he does. And in the forty Niners are now missing that which will be a problem with him gone now it'll be interesting to see where they turn for running back help if it is to the practice squad. I think it's going to be Jeff Wilson from North Texas who I scouted a when I did some draft work with Matt Miller of Bleacher report, and he just he's just didn't look like an NFL ready player to me. He's about six-foot under two. Two hundred pounds about one ninety five and more importantly in addition to sort of being a taller and thinner. He runs very upright with a lower a lower frame or excuse me, a small lower body frame. And in addition to that North Texas had to put him on a fairly strict nutritional plan, his senior season just to keep him on the field because there were some wait a concerns that you know, you gotta you gotta sort of meet these thresholds to be able to deal with this abuse. I don't know that Jeff Wilson is gonna come in and be a starter long-term at any any stop. He ever has his in his NFL career. But as we saw rain Moser was getting carries and offered Morris was getting carries in Matt Rita. Every once in a while needs a breather in just Jeff Wilson's on the roster. He's gonna get curious curious to see what the forty Niners do here because making up for the loss loss of most or both as a running back in a special teams player is going to be really difficult while I think that the one thing that they can do is is a result of something that happened earlier today, which is going to be the. Of a mere of Dula by the Detroit Lions. And I think that you're absolutely right. Cal Shanahan does like to rotate his running backs. He doesn't at least from his Atlanta's. The now hasn't shown that he really likes that kind of thirty forty carry back that bell cow back. He's always had a rotation and that rotation even when Morris and most embryo were the backs they had a pretty clear rotation. Even if Matt Brita was the starter. And I think Amir of Dula someone who just kind of fell out a favor in Detroit he is on the last year of his rookie deal. So it's twenty eighteen I think it would it would really cost the Niners about five hundred thousand dollars base with the rest of his game checks to to claim him on waivers and get him on the team. And I think that's totally worth it. I mean, this is a player who is a much better receiver than he is running back. But that's a skill set. The Niners could really use that Breda has definitely done well to improve his receiving game. But the Niners could do. To have a receiving back come out of the backfield. And this is a player who has had a consistently good. You know, kind of season and years as a pass catching back. I think the Niners should definitely kick. The tires on someone like Dula wouldn't cost them whole hell of a lot. They are third and waiver priority right now behind just the raiders. And the New York football giants, who of course, we face here in in just a few days, but I would much prefer the Niners. Put it put an away vers claim on Amir of Dula before I would say have them kick up. Someone like Jeff Wilson. I agree with that in right now on MIR Abdulah still on his rookie contract financially not going to be too expensive. You know, when you when you bring him in either way so the forty Niners. You know, obviously McKinnon was a guy they signed to be a long-term back. No problem bringing Abdul in at least for the end of the year in it becomes an evaluation opportunity as well. Yeah. I don't know that to me in. I I really again, I think Alfred Morris has. That story that you really really like. But I think after this year, I would much rather see someone come in and play for his spot because I think between McKinnon Umbria you're settled at one and two I think most has shown enough to be number three. And I think you need some other kind of wild card to come in to try to end and compete with most. I think that seems to be more like something Beulah can do and not something that that Morris or even Jeff Wilson can do. So I think the team should definitely put in a claim for him. And I would do that even before I put in a claim for Bruce Irvin. I would as well one thing I want to note too. Because I know there's discussion or at least a, you know, on Twitter when I mentioned Amir of Dula. There was a little bit of discussion actually from forty Niners of former forty Niners defensive lineman. Ian Williams about the need to identify a bigger back that can get them some goal line carries. Matt breeder runs hard in between the tackles. And Alfred Morris deci just because you're you're big does not mean, you are an ideal, you know, big back inside and obviously Williams played at the highest level. So. I'm gonna I'm gonna tip my hat there. In terms of veteran presence in and give him sort of the the give him the pulpit there to speak or the soapbox. But I might add that in Kyle check is a pretty athletic, dude. And you could get some goal line carries out of him. If that's really the concern if you're looking for short yardage carries. There are ways to mix up a who gets short yardage carries it in. If Alfred Morris is only job on the roster is to be a short yardage back. Then that's not good because you know, you're you're third forcing running back needs to play more than needs to do more than that they need to be able to play special teams in otherwise be much more of a presence in other areas than just hey when it's something in short. He gets on the field. Would you rather have a good running back or a big running back? I'll take good, please, exactly. Because I think that when you're looking at short yardage relations. That's what matters more is. Whether you have a good back, and whether or not you have a good offensive line. I think that this whole like I need a big back thing is a bit of an antiquarian ISM. And it's something that people think you need to have in the NFL. But if your if you have a really powerful strong fast back they can generate power with speed. They can generate yardage through vision and your offensive lines probably the most important thing here. Anyway. So I I don't think that you need to have a big back just to have a big back. So I'm definitely I'm not on that train. I'm like give me speed and I'll generate some power through speed. Absolutely. And and with some of the versatility that you mentioned Amir Abdul a brings there's really this there could in theory be sort of a triumvirate among the forty Niners running backs should that be a trio moving forward that would offer cash in hand quite a bit offensively. And in you know, he's going to be able to ski. Team up you know, power and and short yardage success. I well this next game is going to be pretty important over the forty Niners because it is. Indeed, the loser's bracket of the civil at this point the Niners of beat the Oakland Raiders. And so we are no longer in contention at least right now for the first overall pick in the NFL draft. But the tournament is not yet over we still have another game to face the giants to basically now at this point settle on who's going to finish second in the NFL draft. Because of course, the Oakland Raiders right now own the rights of the first overall pick. So this is still a game that matters to drop position. We're fighting for the things that matter Jared, the these are the things that we have to latch onto and it sounds like Nick Mullins is going to start again. And so I think if the giants and your defensive coordinator James, you Becher, which I've given him the nickname you because every time I hear the name James Becher. It just sounds like you betcha. So I'm giving him the nickname you. So it's James. You betcha. And I'm thinking, okay. How's he gonna Anak? How's it gonna attack Nick Mullins? And the first thing he's going to do is. He's going to send a ton of pressure because that's something that James Becher does. Anyway. The forty Niners in we just discussed this in regards to how Nick Mullins played against the blitz. Thursday night to the pressure that Nick Mullins saw wasn't much. And so if there is in a highlight, unknown because I think Nick Mullins as a whole is still fairly unknown right after one performance, if there is an unknown or a more important, unknown. The giants have to be looking at this going. Okay. Way to go rook. Now, we're going to keep coming at you. And in addition to bringing that pressure Becher comes excuse me. You Becher comes from a goes, you gotta respect the brand respect brand. Absolutely. He comes from an Amazon cardinal system working with Todd Bowles in Bruce Arians that offensively Bruce Arians is a risk taker Todd Bowles, obviously moved on to be a head coach Becher still at the defensive coordinator position. But he's coming from this coaching tree or this this this this full. Lhasa fee that we are going to be the the ones making we're setting the terms of the game. We're gonna play by our by our standards and our guidelines and that inherently says this is a defensive coordinator this gonna come after a quarterback. Yeah. You know, when you look at Bechers history in Arizona. He worked with Todd Bowles in Arizona twenty thirteen he assumed offensive coordinator responsibilities in two thousand fifteen he is a kind of a longtime Blitzer of quarterbacks in two thousand seventeen the cardinals under Becher blitz. Thirty seven percent of the time that was tied for fifth in the NFL. And I really that was actually down from the year before where it was forty one and forty seven percent the two years prior to that respectively, and they led the league in both of those years this year, so far he's blitz. Thirty two percent of the time which is a little lower than what he did with the cardinals. And so far, it's not been terribly successful. But I think that this is a game where bettors probably licking his chops. And he's thinking I've got a young quarterback. I you know, he doesn't have a ton of game experience, I probably need to send more pressure. So if I had to guess, I would guess the giants probably end up a little bit higher than that. Thirty two percent that thirty two percent average. That they've had this year especially because again, the Niners wide receivers. If we've seen any pattern this year of teams that have been able to disrupt the forty Niners offense. It's where they're blitzing and they're just able to man up the forty Niners receivers and the receivers haven't been able to break away. And so I think if I'm Becher and I'm thinking of how I'm going to attack this offense. That's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm going to play press. I'm going to pressure and I'm going to blitz and I'm gonna make Nick Mullins process the game faster than I think he wants to and that fits well within veterans philosophy. And I think that's that. That's exactly how they're gonna come out the forty Niners. In terms of overall talent is well, the the New York Giants don't have an outstanding defense and the name of the game. You know to not great teams the forty Niners coming off a win. But obviously still a lower level team in the league still picking in the top five. That's that's what you do. I mean right with with poor talent. Especially the giants defense send pressure. Try to force this this, you know, essentially this rookie quarterback into mistakes because otherwise you don't really have the players to sit back and just generate pressure with your front and and play a lot of heavy coverage on the back end a lot of heavy zone coverage on the back end. And and pick this this, you know, pick these these throws off from Nick Mullins. They've gotta bring pressure. They've got to get the ball out fast one way or another because their pass rushes isn't particularly good. Otherwise, really sands Olivier Vernon who's their best pass rusher. But asides from aside from him. They don't look particularly good. They just shipped off Damon Harrison one. Of their best defensive interior defensive linemen. They don't have a particularly good group of inside linebackers. Don't have a particularly good group of of defensive backs. They just let ally apple go to the saints in obviously, he's struggled. But he was a a one first round pick at cornerback. So they're they're t-. They're devoid of talent. There avoided talent right now as well and to compete with the forty Niners. Not that the forty Niners. Great but to compete with the forty Niners in particularly particularly to compete with Kyle Shanahan. They're going to have to bring a lot of pressure. And as you mentioned it just so happens that philosophically plays right into what we apparently. No Becher likes to do. You know? What's funny is? I think that even though bet likes the blitz a lot that hasn't resulted in a ton of pressures for the defense because I think like you said that just they don't have a lot of horses. They don't have the talent they have ten total saxes here. That's thirty first in the league. They they have the twenty ninth grade pass rush grade based on pro football, focus, and that's for the team. So this is if Nick mullahs. Can have another game where he just doesn't see a lot of pressure. This could be another successful outing from Owens. And now this is of course, a home game for the Niners against the giants. They've got two home games the last I think stretch of their season. They've got more home games than they had a way 'cause that opening stretch was difficult. So I think you know, irrespective of how much better is going to blitz. The blitzes are irrelevant if they're not successful. And so far bet your hasn't been able to turn those blitzes into success. And so even if you blitzes a whole hell of a lot. I I'd be interested to see how the Niners offensive line holds up because the office of line has been a strength of the Niners or so far this year. Mike mcglinchey, of course, about a run blocker than a pass blocker. But you've got you've got some interesting. I think back and forth there, and I'd I'd be surprised if the Niners weren't able to handle some of those bullets schemes and give moans a bit more time. And then hopefully Mullins gives you a a little bit of what he gave you against the raiders. But all right. So if the if the giants are going to. Play some kind of kind of man coverage and do that kind of stuff. Then really what we've seen Shanna Hindu is trying to attack linebackers because they're the week coverage defenders especially in the middle of the field. And so what do the middle of the field defenders look like for the giants. And are they any good? They're not in in to be succinct. Obviously they've got other concerns on the defense as well. And as you mentioned if Becher decides to play a lot of man coverage or to really try to take away the middle of the field. He's going to have to send help because right now the players that the the New York Giants have over the middle of the field or not particularly good. I think this is another game where George Kittle plays really, really. Well, particularly because the New York Giants have Alec Ogle tree and BJ Goodson at linebacker and particularly Ogle tree. I've been on him since he was with the Rams I think he is a he is remarkably overrated in really it's it's all because of a hard knocks with the Rams, and they did wonderful job of hyping him up because they've got to create a. Storyline somehow and not surprisingly, she soon as Sean McVay gets there. He finds a way to get Alec Oba SRI out of there. He simply not very good. And and he does a wonderful job of appearing to be good in in sort of his around the ball a lot. But he makes what I like to call sort of cleanup tackles, which is not a linebacker that fills downhill sits in the gap at the line of scrimmage. It makes tackles this is a linebacker that makes tackles six or seven yards down the field after he's already missed. And so he's in technically getting tackle stats in the numbers might look good. But they're wildly inflated by generally four play right now. He just sat out there last game. He's hurt. But the they're sort of backups aren't particularly good either J Goodson the couple years in the league. But overall a very underdeveloped player. And then the other players that they'll play will be rookies as well. So overall in terms of match up advantage just player to player in where the forty Niners can find success over the middle of the field. I I have to participate this Shanahan is licking his chops. And some of these throws might not be directly tied to over the middle. But when those players can't you mentioned Leon hall earlier being able to drop into that that sort of hooked coverage zone and moons being able to throw a ball over him. A really impressive throw. He might not even have to make quite as impressive throws this week. Because those players those underneath players if they're these inside linebackers for the New York Giants, they can't get the they just they are not going to be able to run with George Kittle almost anywhere on the field. And I think the forty Niners if they're looking at a match up that they can exploit whereas Becher might say, okay. We're going to be able to sort of scare this rookie effective rookie, obviously, not a rookie. But more more or less. Nick Mones is a rookie a new player getting on the field facing a blitz and facing some pressure to try and throw him off his game, the forty Niners going to be able to counter that by going directly at the New York Giants inside linebackers, and what's interesting about Molins game against the raiders is that he really had. Success on in the middle of the field. He didn't really have a ton of throws out on the edges and the when you look at his throws on the edge of specifically in the intermediate areas so ten to nineteen yards outside the numbers. He didn't complete a pass he was offered to to the left side and over two on the right side. A lot of his damage was done in the short area of the field or in the middle of the field. And that's where I think if I were Becher I would probably force Mullins to the edges to the outside, especially if you're going to test his arm. I mean, there was a play that was incomplete that Mullins through in the in the raiders game. Where I mean, it was probably a little too far inside. It looked like it just didn't have enough zip to get out there to the outside shoulder for the wide receiver. And if I'm a defensive back, I'm licking my chops. Because if you throw if you try to throw in outside route, and the only place you can't throw that ball is inside if you're gonna miss miss out wide, and it was a little on the inside. So if I'm better, I'm gonna force them or I'm going to try to. Force Mullins into the throwing an uncomfortable spaces, and that's going to be near the edges on the outside. And I'm probably going to pack as many damn defenders as I can in the middle of possible. Because if Nick Mullins is going to find success against the giants, that's where he's gonna wanna find it. And so I'm I expect we'd see a lot of cover one a lot of cover one robber. And just basically taking away the middle forcing throws on the outside. And then probably bring in some pressure that hopefully Molins hasn't seen before. Nick Mullins for as impressive as he was on Thursday night. He's going to you know, you got tape in the league now, and nobody can adjust or catch up faster than NFL coaches will for the most part, obviously, there's still some boneheads out there doing things that make absolutely no sense. But you'd like to think that if you're in the NFL coaching you've got legit taped on Nick Mullins. Now, the giants certainly know exactly what they can expect from Nick Mullins. I think from a talent standpoint as you mentioned that throw that you're talking about just I think they even said it on TV broadcasts as well. In the moment, he could tell he just didn't have the arm strength at least on that individual throw in. It's a hard throw. That's why at the Columbine every every quarterback that shows up to the Columbine. They asked him to throw that deep out route because they wanna see if you know from one hash can you throw fifteen yards on a rope to the to the opposite side line. It's difficult throw. But the elite quarterbacks make it and the not elite quarterbacks don't in the one place. You can't leave it as you mentioned is inside. Nick Mullins kinda got away with one last week against the bad raiders defense. But now that it's been shown the New York Giants are obviously seeing that ain't gonna force a lot of those those receivers into the middle of the field and say go ahead, you know, or excuse me. Try try to keep those receivers from out of the inside of the field. Put defenders in the middle of the field and say if you're going to beat us you're gonna make throws outside with the hashes you need to make them down the field. And we're going to force you to continue to show us that you can do this. Because right now, it's too early to say if he legit Ken. Can the Niners really continue any of the defense of success against the giants? This is of course, a giants team that drafted a generational talent and saquon Barkley, of course, a running back that has helped them win. So many games wins above replacement are of course, the preeminent running back stat. And you can put at least what like six wins on saquon Barkley shoulders. That's that's how this works. Is. That is that what's happening. That's exactly how it works. Yep. Yeah. So basically, you've got the all jokes aside. The giants do have talent on offense. It's not at the quarterback position. But it is that the wide receiver position. And while I disagree with dropping someone like Barkley that high overall. He is still a talented running back. Do you think that the giants are going to have more success in the raiders on offense? And to do you think that the Niners defense will be able to hold that offense at bay enough to be able to kind of give Mullen some breathing room in order to give him, you know, kind of some. Some space to actually not play behind them scoreboard for so long. I think the giants will definitely find more success from the raiders in. That's just from a superstar perspective saquon Barkley generational talent Oto Beckham junior. When on his game is elite Evan anger him. The giants tight end is actually a solid receiving tight end in the second year in the league still kind of improving, but overall there are some more pieces there, I think if ectively the that the New York Giants can exploit I do at the same time think that Nick Mullins starts. Fortunately are coming at the same time that the forty Niners of playing bad opponents, and that includes offensively bad opponents. The New York Giants still are putting ally manning under center, and he's well past his prime doesn't look particularly good. And so I think this is a week with the forty Niners might be able to keep things going and really keep rolling. I don't know that it's going to be to the same sort of points. You know, keeping the point total as low as they did against the raiders. But if ectively being able to manage a game where Nick. Joins can continue to find some success. I don't know that the forty Niners at the same time. We're gonna go put up mid thirties again. But if they could put up three or four touchdowns, I think that's enough with a giants offense that has some explosive playmakers, but in totality really lacks the overall sort of affective Nessin, I think some of that comes from the the head coach lacks the overall effectiveness to legitimately compete long-term. And that's why the giants as well. As sort of in this loser's bracket for a top pick here. I think the forty Niners can continue their success Robert Sala over the last few weeks is really made an impressive of adjustment. At least what appears to be sort of overall what he's doing in terms of getting this forty Niners defense back on track. And it'd be nice to see them keep this going. Yeah. You know? I if I'm the giants I think I've got to go with a pass heavy run script because if the Niners do something. Well, it is played the run pretty well. I've got a ton of run defenders along the defensive line between Armstead Buckner Solomon Thomas in the run game. That's where he shines. Even if it's not as a pass rusher. And Fred Warner, of course is playing well as well. So I didn't go over all if the giants come out and try to run saquon Barkley down our throats. I think that's a mistake. I think where the giants have a marked advantage is in the passing game. That's what Odal Beckham junior. And if I were the giants I wouldn't line Odell Beckham out on the right side of the offense left side of the defense because the Niners don't rotate their corners. They don't have feel boundary corners or anything like that. They basically put Sherman out on the left side of the defense. And then they put Witherspoon or whomever solids rotating defensive back over on the other side. And so I think that if I'm the giants I'm moving back him around. I'm putting him in the slot. Matching them up against Witherspoon, and I'm targeting Beckham or Ingram over and over and over again, and I'm utilizing Barkley in the passing game whether or not the giants will do that. I have no idea. But I think that's where you attack the Niners is whether weakest I mean, you've got typhus Powell playing at safety due to injury. And he's just not good. He's not good. And so it would be surprising to me if giants came out and tried to run this kind of run heavy script because they really should be passing against the Niners. As all as all teams should at this point. They really should Titus pal. Another player that played good last week. His continued improvement is going to be important as you mentioned against a giants team with some explosive playmakers. That's that's the weekly too weak link to exploit absolutely. All right. So give me a matchup that you'll be watching this week as as you watch the Niners play the giants here. And maybe again, it's a win win game. If we win. Hey, we won fantastic. Let's be happy. And if we lose hey, better draft position. Right. So it's a win win game either way. But the game within the game who's the player that you're going to be watching in the Niners versus giants. I'm looking at Mike mcglinchey, and whether he can continue to play as well as he has of late to continue to be, you know, quietly he's not going to win. But in terms of overall play he's offense rookie of the year. Caliber his play thus far he'll be a more than likely going against BJ hill, the New York Giants rookie defensive tackle that they selected in the third round of APRIL's draft. Who's a good player? Played at NC state with Bradley Chubb and contagious street who the forty Niners a selected as well in the draft. But when he was coming out, he's got a great frame big powerful body, and has some weight room numbers that are pretty damn in. Passive, but on film, really lacked. The ability to anchor against the run where Mike mcglinchey shows the athleticism empowered at continually do that. Well, and if he can continue to do that this week, I think the forty nine or seven markedly have a really a really impressive advantage there. In terms of some of the the zone stuff that cow Shanahan can do where he can get Mike mcglinchey in George Kittle working on sort of those trae blocks where they then climb to linebackers. We already mentioned that the linebackers are week that sort of combo block. I think you're gonna see some really impressive movement at the point of tack of Mike mcglinchey comes with his best stuff. I don't know if Landon Collins is going to guard, George kiddle, but if he does and he lines up over George Kittle. That's definitely something. I'll be watching just to see kind of the sparks fly in that matchup. But I think for me honestly, and I've talked about it a little bit already. I'm gonna watch Odal Beckham against anyone because I think that Odell Beckham is going to be a true test for Witherspoon. And Sherman, and we'll be able to get a bit more about Sherman as well. As learn where Witherspoon is at in terms of his development because I think that Sherman right now is in this area where everyone thinks he's phenomenal. And he's playing it in above average level, but he's not playing lightsout shutdown corner. It's just that he's the best corner we have and why would you continue to attack Richard Sherman? When you've got easy pickings on the other side when you've got Greg me been Ocala Witherspoon, who's not been playing great. You know, why why going up against any path resistance when you can go the path of least resistance, and so that's why sherman's coverage great. I think is not nearly as high as his kind of coverage snaps per reception allowed that that's I think what explains that discrepancy. And I think that sherman's our best corner Yassin. So I'd love to see how he matches up against Oto Beckham. Because I think at that point it's kind of old savvy vet verses re like one of the top three receivers in the league. But I also would really like to see Beckham junior against Witherspoon to see how Witherspoon. Talent shines. He whether he can hang with one of the best receivers in the NFL. And so that's that's probably what I'll be watching. And then I'll, of course, be just on generational talent watch, and I'll be comparing Barclay versus Brita to see how those two players end up. But that's probably what all be watching most in this game saquon Barkley, obviously physically. Absolutely unbelievable. What he's brought to the New York. Giants offense in year. One is really impressive. But as you just noted the dichotomy between his plan. Matt Breda is going to be really exciting to watch because you know, from an evaluation standpoint taking a running back in the top five is is one of the more. I think hotly contested questions. Some that believe that's absolutely worth it. Some that believe it's not worth it at all, regardless of talent seeing those to sort of, you know, in the same game and being able to evaluate, you know, obviously, not against one another. They're not meeting each other in the hole, the see who's tougher Oklahoma driller or anything like that. But. To see them play. And to note, you know, undrafted verse top three overall pick the gonna be exciting to see. All right. So let's get to the predictions. What do you think's going to happen? I'm trying to find the line here. I think the line is favored by three by three at home, which makes makes sense neutral site is essentially a pick em game. I think the forty Niners could could see continued success. I will say in terms of cautionary tale. Nick Mullins is fun is Thursday night. Was I do still have concerns? I am still curious to see what the forty Niners can get out of him a second week and with extended film on tape for defensive coordinator to look at the giants as we mentioned have some really explosive playmakers at some critical positions on offense. I think it comes down to who makes more mistakes at the quarterback position. Obviously ally. Manning has the sort of the veteran nod, but is not playing particularly well hasn't in a couple of years doesn't have the armed talent that he that he used to have an if the forty Niners defense can take advantage of that. I think they're going to be in a good position a win right now. I think I'll take the forty Niners. And I think I'll take them to cover this spread. But just barely and I'm not terribly confident in that. You know, I mean at this point of the season. I think we're all confident about anything when it comes to this team. Yeah. Other than the fact that we're confident they're going to have a top five pick. I do think that this is probably going to be a close game. I do think that that three point spreads probably right about where it will land. But hey, man, I'm gonna ride Mullins mania, and I'm going to say the Niners win, and I'm going to say they wouldn't by four. So they cover even though they probably will end up winning by three and pushing. But while we're on the hormones mania thing. Just one plea to Niners fans everywhere. Number one, come up with some original nicknames. Please like this is why we went with the Mullins mania because I feel like that's kind of original it makes sense. Like, it's an illiterate in. Yeah. We love it. But everyone was out there saying like, you know, big dick like that. That's already been tried. It's already been done that was Nick foles Super Bowl chanted that in parade. Like, let's let's be original fans. Don't take the eagles nickname just because it happens to have the same. First name have a little self respect come up with your own damn nicknames. And let's be better than that. I would I would agree. And and I think, you know, from some of the stories, I was reading. The Philadelphia locker room Nick foles earned that nickname. If you understand what I'm saying. And and I'm not sure that Nick Mullins house yet. And I'm not asking for him to prove it. But I am saying that there we do have standards around here. And then matched the performance. I was not expecting you to have like deep knowledge about like, you know, other teams penis. Just man the. Are you shine? We talk about context in terms of evaluation, and you know, in terms of setting the tone for leadership. I don't know. What comes you know? I don't know comes comes with any more pressure than that. My goodness. All right. So I haven't tweeted out any of the plays that we've talked about yet because it's well, it's election night. And it's a it's a short week for us too. So I'll probably through those out either today or tomorrow, but you can catch the game clips including most of the players that we've talked about on the show on Twitter at better rivals. And then once I do then, you know, that's where you'll have to find him. If you're not on Twitter, then I'm sorry. I I don't know how to help you because I'm old, and I'm lazy. But Jared where can they find you? You can find me on Twitter at Jared. Brown underscore. That's J E R OD Brown underscore either. Re tweeting your tweets, which is typically what I do. But then go I go. Here's here's that play when he talked about. But yeah. Fi find it there in we'll highlight some of this does good stuff that we've seen. Absolutely. And then obviously have some because it's kind of a weird week, right? Because we don't play until till Monday. So there's a bit of a gap. But over the next couple of days, I'm going to probably post the bonus episode with PF George Shahuri where we talk a little bit about the kind of coaching how you measure coaching success now, and whether or not you should care whether or not or whether or not caution handed good coach, so keep your eyes peeled for some of that bonus content. But thanksgiving tuning in enjoy the one Wednesday. Hopefully, y'all have voted and as always go Niners. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from SP nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart it seems smart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another same smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up a mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. 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Bill Barnwell on NFL Week 12 + COVID Changes

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Bill Barnwell on NFL Week 12 + COVID Changes

"Bill barnwell it is eleven forty seven pm eastern time but more importantly man. It's been a couple of weeks. And i gotta say doing this show at this time of night. Didn't feel normal without you. Well it's nice to be back. Pablo i mean. I don't have stories about getting burnt for long touchdowns and getting Fake congratulated for it in the locker room. And you'll have stories about what it's like to actually be covering an nfl game from a stadium. But i can tell you what. I saw from my couch on sunday. Bill barnwell is the host of the bill. Barnwell show podcast and also our late night. Nfl spirit god from your vantage point from your couch. How would you describe a week like this this sunday. That comes after. I think the strangest thanksgiving that any of us probably have ever had. Yeah i think it actually reminded me a lot of thanksgiving in that. Even though things were incredibly different there were still some semblance of at least forced normalcy. I mean this has been an absolutely disastrous week for the nfl in terms of teams being ravaged by the disease. We're seeing the. Nfl closed their team facilities for monday. And tuesday of the upcoming week and yet on sunday once the ball in the air things were normal. The jets lost. The chargers made inexplicable decisions. And the packers bless the banks. This sunday brought all the givens of nfl action but the league played against a backdrop of more corona virus drama more than that seen any today. Bill barnwell returned to the show to break down what we saw this sunday from great expectations to the increasingly bizarre. I'm pablo torre november thirtieth. This is espn daily so bill. We just finished watching bears and packers and aaron rodgers to the surprise of literally. Nobody just decimated the bears and mitch trubisky forty one to twenty five so i wanna turn this conversation to the horse race. The mvp conversation because there really hasn't been a wire-to-wire front runner. This whole time. We've seen the pendulum kind of swing. Russell wilson kyle murray. Was there for hot. Second mahomes obviously and aaron rodgers who remains squarely in the thick of it after an off season full of drama around jordan. Love being drafted at quarterback and yet there is aaron rodgers just dominating again robert tanya and guys at touchdown to robert tanya made aaron rodgers the eleventh. Qb in nfl. History to pass for more than fifty thousand yards the second-fastest so where are you on. The whole rogers ram vp. Okay so i. I'm inclined to pick. Patrick mahomes by choice right now. And i think the only thing separating those two with russell wilson third is that one disastrous game. Rogers had against the bucks earlier this season. And i think if you're going to make a case for rodgers. Mvp to start with the idea that he's doing more with less and mahomes has to work with. And wilson has to work with the homes of course has a dominant group of receivers with Terry travis kelsey leading the way. Russell wilson has decay metcalf and tyler lockett and we talked about this before the season. Rogers has devante adams and a lot of question marks. Rogers has injuries and opt-outs affecting his receiving corps from week to week and on top of that. The guys who are extra showing up are posting the second highest drop rate for any quarterback in the league and yet when you put rodgers back there even against a very good defense which the bears are. There are stretches this year. He looks absolutely untouchable. The bears had no answers for him on sunday night. So the other game. Bill that i think of when you mentioned teams that have been struggling with a paucity of just physically healthy human beings on their roster. I think of the san francisco forty niners and they played. I think the most thrilling game of the day against the rams at least the game with the most thrilling finish we had robbie gold the kicker breaking a twenty twenty tie with a last second game winning field goal hausky has it down robbie gold as it straight ahead. Ten forty niners kept feet the la rams again twice this year and suddenly sj those niners that looked like a triage unit have like be signs of life after getting really knocked down earlier this season. So what did you see from the niners today mandic. We saw a niner's team that even though they've been beset by injuries are finally getting some of those star players back. I don't think anybody in football has been hit harder overall by injuries this year from the forty niners but many of the key players today were guys who are coming back. After missing time he mustered ran in an early touchdown. Richard sherman their legendary. Cornerback picked off. Jared goff one of three giveaways from goth in that game and the player of the game. Altogether might have been deebo samuel. They're they're young wide receiver. Who's in the lineup. For the first time since week seven in caught eleven passes for one hundred and thirty three yards including setting up that game winning field goal. And i i'm being honest. Yeah the niners might not have a huge dealing with nick mones quarterback. He didn't play very well. But the one here got to five and six and in a very tough division. They kept their playoff hopes alive. But there is this huge asterisk right. What's about to happen to them because there is this hope building up. And then there's this idea that oh by the way the place you play your home games may not want you to play your home games there for the foreseeable future. So what exactly is happening to the niners and santa clara. Oh it may not. It's actively have been banned from planning on top of that. The foreign found out about this news on twitter facebook. Santa clara local government has banned contact sports for the next three weeks with a fourteen day. Quarantine for anybody traveling into the county from more than one hundred fifty miles away. So i'm not sure it will happen but there's just something so right in twenty twenty about the idea of the oakland forty niners so i want to get to this other huge matchup from sunday. The one everybody was excited for it was patrick. Mahomes in tom brady was the chiefs and the box. This dominant offense against his defense. That look so promising. But the matchup that ended up deciding and dominating this game really was tyreek hill versus carlton davis and i don't know if people fully appreciate what exactly was happening there. At least those who didn't have tyreek hill and fantasy may have felt that way. So what led to this huge day and what was going on there. Okay so pablo. I know you know about the he check in basketball yes k. We don't see the heat check in football all that often but this was carlton davis heat. Check we don't know. Carl davis is a young quarterback for the buccaneers. He's very good inside a very good season Really a breakout year for him. As one that maybe the best cornerbacks football according to sport radar davis had only allowed to touchdown passes as the primary defender in coverage all year for sunday. Well unfortunately curtin davis is he check. He'll have three touchdowns to tyreek hill on sunday alone early in this game. Todd bowles the excellent defensive coordinator for the buccaneers cited. Take his chances and play their single high safety. Play more man books and leave. Carlton davis one on one against tyreek hill. And if you are a terry kill fantasy owner. Well you know that did that. Work terry torch davis up the field over and over again ran away from the corner once they had the ball in his hands scored three touchdowns tie talks and city and continues. Carlton davis nightmare. A wonderful game for tyreek hill. Twenty i both have to make an adjustment by the time. He stopped exposing his star corner to hill in single coverage. Terry killer produced one of the most stunning halves in football history. We're talking about a historic day by the standards. The bucks bill. They've lost three of four dow. So when do they have to like gut check themselves. And maybe begin to panic a little bit. I think if you're on twitter you're already panicking if you're a bucks fan but i'm not really stressed. I have to admit. I thought the bucks did a pretty good job. Here of recovering things granted. They dug themselves a awful whole. Tom brady to turn the ball over twice. But they got those two late touchdowns to get back in the game. They slow down the chiefs on offense in the second half. They weren't able to get that final stop but they did enough to make this a competitive contests instead of that saints game. A couple of weeks ago where they got behind early in. Were never able to recover to me right now. The issue with team has turnovers over the last four games when they've been kind of a mess over eight times so it's it's not a particularly subtle correlation here if they stop turning the ball over. They're going to start winning football games again. And what's ironic. I guess. Here's the thing. Tom brady be best in new england or the course of his run. There was avoid turning the ball over. I just find it hard to believe. He suddenly forgotten about how to protect the football. So so bill. What can the bucket nears do at this point then to fix this offense. If that's your diagnosis of the issue here is something i have been thinking about. Since the moment. I heard tom brady was officially signing with the buccaneers. A thought back to painted manning's first season with the broncos where they he really struggled to start the year in denver at remnant article that chris brown of smart football road for us at grantland. The broncos were able to turn around an inconsistent start to manning's tenure in denver by getting rid of the stuff that offensive coordinator. Mike mccoy and quarterbacks coach adam gays plans and basically installed more of the concept's at manning was running in indianapolis now are hitting their by. And i wonder if this is their time to have that meeting and that conversation brady thrived new england or running quick game getting the ball out of his hands. Not having to worry. Too much about the pass rushing and take advantage of play action which is something. The buccaneers have not done very often. Despite the fact that brady has the fourth best. Qbr and football when he uses play action. I know that resilience arians is a no nonsense coach. I don't think he's going to want to change things very much. But there's one guy in the organization who's making an average of twenty five million dollars per season. Bruce arians when push comes to shove. Historically tom brady is going to get his way. Okay up next bill. We need to keep talking about covert and how the nfl addressed. Its biggest break today. And what we saw exactly from broncos wide receiver turned quarterback kendall hinted from the moment. they're born. You do everything to keep your kids safe. But who's looking out for you as you look out for them. Be volvo ninety. Suv with advanced safety. Technology helps look after you from the standard blind spot information system that watches your sides. You can steer you away from merging traffic to standard cross traffic alert with auto brake. That watches your back and can automatically apply the brakes for people and oncoming traffic as you reverse. It's nice to know that someone is looking out for you. The exc- ninety for everyone safety visit volvo cars dot com slash. Us to learn more so bill. I really need help sorting out. What is about to happen on tuesday and how we got there. Because we all spent or thanksgiving pining for ravens steelers. It was initially scheduled for our holiday did not happen in the primetime slot because both teams got positive cova tests back one of which by the way was lamar jackson. The quarterback of the ravens and so the game got postponed to sunday and then it got postponed to tuesday. So how is this whole thing. Impacted the rosters of both teams ahead of this game. Well we've talked about how the nfl has become far more comfortable letting teams play missed. Kovic breakouts as the season's gone along and nothing seems like a better example of it then what's happening with the ravens right now. I mean the ravens had five players and four. Staffers testing positive for covid. As of tuesday afternoon and the game was still going to go on thanksgiving night. It really wasn't until that number continued to rise likely decided to push the game back until sunday and then once reigning league. Mvp lamar jackson tested positive. Then they pushed the game back even further until tuesday but It's got into an extreme. Now this is the most significant breakout. We've seen in the nfl. So far twenty three players for the ravens are now on the covid including players. Who tested positive like wide receiver. Willie snead and star players like mark andrews and matt on who are out of on sunday as players who were high risk close contacts. Raymond's had at least one new positive test for eight consecutive days and thereby can't they're about to put might be the most important game of their season against the division rival steelers with a fraction of their usual roster. Baltimore was originally four underdogs in las vegas. They're now ten point underdogs heading into the game which is still scheduled somehow to take place on tuesday. Why did the. Nfl postponed the game twice first to sunday then to tuesday but not a third time even as the number of players testing positive gets to the astronomical degree of twenty three so public the leaks memorandum two teams makes it clear they intend to punish those teams who are responsible for their own outbreaks. According to an nfl memorandum from roger goodell quote unquote game postponed due to one clubs inability to play because of covid cases the burden of any competitive financial and other consequences will former heavily on that club. Particularly if the club has not adhere to the health and safety protocols or has failed to cooperate in contact tracing or other reviews in response to positive tests among club players or staff. We know the ravens have already disciplined. Eight coach reportedly had not mentioned his sentenced to the team. Had it not been abiding mask protocols. That was apparently enough for the league. To resist the urge to push this came back to a possible eighteen. It was one thing in weeks. Pass to point out that teams would have to do with uncertainty in two thousand and twenty. But this week is bordered on. I especially given that the nfl's press release about the postponement actual uses the phrase out of an abundance of caution as twenty. Two players are on the code list for possible game on tuesday. It's hard to let the nfl any sort of grasp on this situation or that. They're doing anything more at this point than just holding on for dear life and hoping they can get the regular season schedule done without having to go to week eighteen so speaking of desperately just trying to hold on for dear life bill. The broncos did play one of the weirdest football games. I can remember on sunday against the saints and they got to this place of strangeness because their quarterback jeff driscoll tested positive for covid nineteen and as you mentioned none of his colleagues at quarterback wore masks in that meeting. They were all in attendance for so none of them could play against new orleans. So incomes broncos wide receiver kendall hinton who lines up under center and well bill you tell me how did kendall hinton do okay before we get to the actual performance. I want to defend hinton. From what i'm about to say i don't i don't think we can appreciate just. How ridiculous of a situation this would be for an nfl player and kendall. Henson was five years removed from his only season as a fulltime quarterback at wake forest. He was on the practice squad as a wide receiver. Wasn't expecting to play at all in this game. Let alone play at quarterback a position. He had not practiced to play and with one day's notice. Denver broncos not only have to push hinton into the starting quarterback role to do it against a saints defense that held actual nfl quarterback marketing the position to average just over eight points per game over the past three weeks. Anything short of a disaster would have been an incredible performance from hinted and by that standard. He was incredible. He was one of nine for thirteen. Yards and shotgun gordon lap from the thirty one rolling to right screen back to the left. It's complete a pass is complete to no effect to the left line. And he's had abouts right near the marker it could be. I doubt with two interceptions and two draft picks. That's bad i mean there's no way to make those numbers. Look good but there have been actual. Nfl quarterbacks who had similarly bad games including two point one out one nathan peterman actually made his way onto the field for a brief spell against the falcons in garbage time on sunday so all roads spill all roads continue to lead back to the peterman. It's true. I felt like you had to make an appearance with all this quarterback conversation just to remind us he was there honestly pablo. I think as far as the more surprising or disappointing performance. I would've looked towards hinton. I would look towards the guy on the other side of the field. The saints did win comfortably. Their defense played great. The broncos offered nothing on offense and tasting hill. Did run for two touchdowns onto the right tastes. Inhale takes it in for the shotgun. Snap behind the right side of the line gets into the end zone. Hill is second rushing score and it's thirteen nothing extra point coming for the saints and he just doesn't look like he's an nfl caliber quarterback. He's not a fast processor on sunday. He was slow to diagnose defenses. he was slow to make decisions and it didn't make accurate passes when he was getting the football out. The saints haven't needed hill to be a significant part of their their passing attack. Because they've been so good on defense over the past two weeks but unless he'll improves dramatically and he's thirty. It's hard to believe they're better off with these sixteen million dollar man tastes nila quarterback when the guy they're paying a little over a million dollars i believe to be his backup in janus winston so bill. I'm also curious about this. How teams around the league going to react to the fact that the broncos we're left in this situation like what are they going to do going forward to help avoid a situation like that. I'm not being hyperbolic. Pablo telling you. Every single team in the league is going to take a quarterback and put him in isolation for the remainder of the season. We already know some teams are doing them. The mills for example happened during this rookie quarterback jake fromm all year from sits in for meetings on zoom buddy practices separately at the end practice from the rest of the team. And deliberately has no contact with the quarterbacks on the roster it's a pretty depressing life seemingly but does actually keep you prepared every team that has a third or fourth quarterback lurking on the practice squad. That guy is about to get very lonely over the rest of the nfl season but speaking lines of succession bill. There was a different kind of post thanksgiving shakeup in detroit because the lions announced that they had fired head coach matt patricia. And general manager bob quinn. So why now is the real question. I have here. It's an interesting question. Because really matt patricia. Entire tenure kinda felt like a two and a half year long example of the peter principle blinds fired. Jim caldwell after posting a winning record and leading detroit to two playoff appearances and replaced him with hiring patricia. You will just come off allowing nick foles to score forty one points in the super bowl against the patriots. The lions hired patricia. And general manager. Bob quinn to import some semblance of the patriot. Way to detroit treasury really. Wasn't bill belichick shortly after he was hired. The detroit news reported even indicted nineteen ninety-six on sexual assault charges before those charges were eventually dropped which reportedly never told the team about those charges during the interview process. The lions coach scolded a reporter for not having appropriate posture during a press conference and affected any criticism of his decisions. Normally want suggesting mistakes. Series of a heartbreaking fourth quarter losses but the butler interception. He had helping part of with the patriots proved he knew what he was doing. Late in games or apart by cowan collar of bleacher report suggested that lions players actually drank mimosa in the locker room to celebrate the end of their first season under patricia way bill. That's just the saddest boozy brunch. That i think i've ever heard of you live in new york. You know how long you've had to branches at certain times. I would much rather go to an nfl locker room entry promises than weights. You hours in brooklyn heights to go get brenston wear but but in the end none of that would have mattered. If patricia was a good football coach he won games and he did not. The final straw really came on thanksgiving. I think this is why the lions made the move when they did expensively acquired patricia editions like for patriots linebacker jamie collins and third overall pick. Cornerback jeffrey khuda gave up touchdowns in a forty one to twenty five blowout loss against the texans tricia spent his time with detroit trying to play the same man-to-man heavy coverage the patriots play despite not having the players or realistically coaching aptitude to pull it off about teams who hire patriots. Assistance are always trying to get the next bill belichick instead. Most of the time with maybe brian flores as the accession they end up just hiring a guy who can cut the off zone hoodie. So bill i want to wrap up our conversation here in the way that we often do on. Espn daily either on purpose. Or because the cosmo's brings us together in this way but the nfc east a lot has happened since we last talked and the new york giants are new york. Football giants bill barnwell. They have taken the lead thanks to their win over the bengals on sunday and look the eagles play tonight on monday night football. I don't know what happens in terms of tiebreakers. Certainly there's a big mess ahead in all senses. But how did the giants claw their way to the top of this god. Awful dumpster fire. I've missed talking about the nfc with you. Let me let me be clear clear. The giants are not a good football team. Do not get fooled by a three game. Winning streak i know they were better than their one in seven record to start this season but their first three game winning streak since two thousand sixteen. Let's be honest. A product of the teams they played. They beat the washington football team. They beat the eagles and they beat the bengals. Lost joe burrow last week. Two of those three games were against teams. Were using their third string quarterbacks for most of the contests the giants have won exactly one game by more than three points all season and they were in danger of blowing a significant lead to a guy who was on the practice squad earlier. This week in brandon allen. Now the reality is you don't have to be good to win. The you just have to be the last team standing. According to the upshot the giants have a thirty four percent chance of making it to the post season as you want to understand why they have a thirty four percent chance of making it to the postseason there formula mostly revolves around kicker. Graham gano who has twenty five of twenty six on field goals drives this year including four or four on sunday in the win over the bengals Giants got the giants got back from the covid list. They did lose starting quarterback ben jones to a hamstring injury and it a normal universe starting four and seven and losing. Your starting quarterback would typically cost you to give up on the season and think about next year division where the all these starting quarterback left standing is carson wentz. That mass asked monday night. Anything is possible. That is the optimism. That only comes when you have bill barnwell backing you're starting lineup on. Espn daily. i thought you lie. 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I'd never heard of stream a fifty four year old bike tyson fighting a fifty one year old roy jones. I had no idea that would be second most dystopia experience of my night that fight which tyson clearly one by the way but was declared a draw. Because it's boxing so of course it was actually felt relatively normal mostly because this happened in the fight immediately before all spanish. Nothing funny about what's happened with robertson but snoop dogg sagan hymns. He's trying to problem child a problem to answer a couple of questions real quick. Yes that was snoop dogg commentating. yes that was former. Nba guard nate robinson on the floor. And yes the big winner in all of this was jake paul aka. The problem child a deliberately odious youtuber. Who's controversies section. On wikipedia has been paragraphs and one thousand eight hundred twenty two words several of which are racial epithet and fbi investigation before saturday. Paul had competed in precisely one pro flight. Robinson had fought in zero but it seems telling that their match despite being an algorithm weekly generated mad lib and despite involving no actual. Boxers is what dominated the internet this weekend. Thanks largely by the way to robinson's first ballot induction into the hall of meats. Now boxing has always been desperate to gain the attention economy. I love the craft of the sport but its core business model. Pay per view quite openly. Means money for eyeballs. It predates the concept of trolling for click bait by decades and today it feels like those two concepts have finally converged into way sports content singularity named jake. Paul we honestly should have seen coming for a while now because for a very long time our country kept saying that boxing was dead. We worried that a game built around risking public humiliation for glory and safety for money would age out of cultural relevance and get left behind as society advanced as tyson. Himself once feared boxers. Pretty much dies puts. You have seen this kicking our butt and now we got these youtube by twenty million view. Boxing going back. Thanks to the youtube box thinking back on those fears now. It was as if we had never a single youtube video or tweet or been on the internet. In general where twenty three year olds like jake. Paul are trained to draw eyeballs by promising that public humiliation and then daring us to look away. I'm pablo torre. This has been. Espn daily. i'll talk to you tomorrow.

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Niner Nate-tion: Why SF is only a QB away + Week 10 mailbag

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Niner Nate-tion: Why SF is only a QB away + Week 10 mailbag

"Talk alot and welcome to the niners nation podcasts. The most positive niner source. You have here. On the estimation niners nation to be. And we're back with you again and we're going to try something a little different today. I'm gonna try my best. You're reaching out to me. Ask me hey. I need some nine hundred eight positivist. So we're going to try something we're going to look at the future but we're also going to look at the current team and why this team isn't as bad off as it seemed on thursday real quick. Let's get into a quick. Nfc west check in nine are still fourth place in the nfc west rams sitting on a bi week. They have seattle coming to town this week. And we're gonna we're gonna talk about seattle a little bit today and then the cardinals lose a close one to to a tag the loa and the miami dolphins who really look like a really good football team in watching that game my biggest takeaway was man. I want one of those quarterbacks because both to an cuyler are so dynamic. The run the ball throw the ball they have cannons for arms and man the to pick looks like it was the right pick for the dolphins and defense looks great and arizona. Still i still think that arizona is the best team in the nfc west right now. And i think they just. They got unlucky hand with their schedule but they go and play the buffalo bills who decided to just demolish the seattle seahawks week. They lose to buffalo thirty four to forty four and it was not close. The game was an absolute blowout. Russell wilson was throwing moon balls to keep team in the game and that was how they were able to keep it close but they got destroyed and the biggest factor in that is this defense. And i'm gonna. I'm gonna read you off a quick thing from andrew sicily silvano up at the nfl network and you guys are gonna find was pretty funny. The seahawks aren't just on for the worst pass defense in. Nfl history their prime to shatter the all time record by nearly a thousand yards. The two thousand eleven packers had four thousand seven hundred ninety six yards thrown on them. The twenty twenty seahawks current pace is five thousand seven hundred and ninety four yards. And that's what we're going to get into today you know russell wilson's always gonna be there. Cuyler murray looks like he's a star the rams their dynamic the niners i think really are poised to run this division going forward. And here's why. They're just a quarterback away and i know what you're saying. How are they a quarterback away. Okay so their offense of skill players are locked. Up deebo samuel. George kittle the best tight end. The league ran. Luke looks like a star. He looks better and better every week. If we can have a quarterback who get him the ball then you could be ballin all over the field and that's been the biggest problem. Is that jimmy. Garoppolo can't get them the ball and he most really looks like a top ten running back now Their offense is set. And if you bring in a guy who has the more potential than jimmy garoppolo. This team's really good on offense. Then you look on defense. Aaron rodgers said we have the best linebacker in the nfl. And fred warner and i totally agree. I've been saying on the show all year. Fred warner is the best linebacker in the nfl. And it's not really particularly close. I think he is the best and they're going to pay him this offseason probably and that's fine. I'm perfectly fine with breadwinner being a niner for five six more years. Whatever years we we give them. I don't really care then. You also have nick bosa. Who's going to be cheap next year before the hill. Start looking at negotiating a new deal. And he's what atop three pass rusher in this league right now. He's i mean. I can't name many guys better than nick. Bosa right now yes. He's coming off that injury but he's still the reason they were so dominant on defense. Last year was because of the pass rush then they also have javon kinlaw now. Who is a terrific d. Tackle gets better every single week. And he's locked up for a long time he was a great pick and it looks like they're d is get their defense is getting pretty short up then you look at the amount of cuts and players they can get rid of. They can get wit arrest at weston. They can get rid of d. Ford that can get rid of the tevin coleman contract they can let jet mckinnon go. It looks like they're they're the running backs are pre setup up you you have moster. Jeff wilson joe michael hasty. I think that's your running backs going into next year and it's not a three headed monster exactly but it's still pretty little still pretty good running back especially in a kyle shanahan system. The the offensive line is one of the things that scares me. The richard sherman thing is sort of weird. I don't think he comes back. But i think that they might be able to get on a sheep deal like we talked about last week. I think emmanuel moses a really good corner. I think that they'll probably look to add a corner in the draft. But here's the thing this team is. Lydia quarterback away because in the nfl when you have an actual nfl quarterback who can not just stand like a statue in the back of the field and not do anything. No no running or anything. You don't need as good of an offensive line like yes. Russell wilson has had awful awful offense of lines. but he's been able to do stuff despite the niners. Don't need to have the best tackles and guards and centers naked patriot williams and then continue with the lake. And thomas continue with daniel bronco. Ben garland give colton a shot. There's there's things they can do. The offensive line will be fine. I mean even school would probably be better with with a mobile quarterback so think about it right now. Cuyler murray is the lisa quarterback in the league because he moves around so much. I'm not saying they have to get a guy who runs fastest of mary. Tyler moore is an absolute freak. But i'm saying with a talented quarterback in above average back. The san francisco forty niners are perennial suitable contender because having a quarterback who can get the ball to the best tight end in the nfl. Deebo samuel brandon. Euch heck ricki. Ricki richie james. Even you know. And they still have most. They still have jeff wilson and they still have to michael hasty. This team is really talented. And i still really wanna see what jalen hurd has. I think that maybe they'll try and get him out there next year. I know we said it's probably his last chance. But hick if they can get him out there and he can have one good year with their rookie quarterback or whatever they end up doing my biggest thing is. I do not want them to do the tom. Brady thing the bucks. Put a band aid on their quarterback problem with tom brady and yes he was playing up to. Mvp quality up until sunday when they got boat raced by the new orleans. Saints which we are going to get boat race on saints this week. Sorry guys but the thing is i don't want just bring in a guy for a year or two. I don't wanna do that. I want us to look deep deep. Deep deep into this quarterback class yes. You're not going to get trevor lawrence. The jet won a game. So you're not gonna get trevor lawrence. You probably not going to get justin fields. And you're probably not gonna get trae lance but one thing about this team specifically and the john lynch kyle shanahan era is they tend to fall in love with the guy and do everything they can to get that guy. So if kyle shanahan or john lynch falls in love with zack wilson. That'd be why you who was just ballin. I mean ballin right now. He's in the heisman. Byu and real quick. You know who was another byu quarterback steve young and he was awesome. He's probably the last truly great quarterback. This team has had wrong. I love me. Some jeff garcia. Let me some alex. Smith i even let me mccall on kapernick but the last truly great quarterback this team had was steve young. Byu so think about so adam. Peters actually at the game on friday. I heard on twitter at the game on friday. Byu boise state up to see. Hopefully sack wilson ideally. That's what happens. This team falls in love with a guy and then trade down. I think they'll do it if they fall in love with the guy. They tend to find about the brand. Now you think they fell in love with brendan shanahan knew. He loved brand new way before that night. They traded down to get that when they didn't have a second. You know they. They had a second first round pick but they traded down to get him because they wanted to make sure nobody else got them. They want to make sure they get their guy. If zack wilson is there you trade down with anybody who need a quarterback and if you fall in love with that guy or mac jones mack jones alabama. He didn't play this week. But he's been balling out with alabama alabama. Quarterbacks are a little scary but with to attack of a low of being as good as he is and yes. It's only been two games. And he wasn't really that great first game but it was awesome. The second game. The rumor was that mack jones was originally going to be the starter up in alabama and to attack a little bald out. They won that national championship. They had to give him the job. Well if there's any chance that mack jones has that kind of potential to be that good then you have to take a look at him so right now if you're looking at the draft order and i know this is nine weeks so you know you're going to have to trade up to get zach wilson or to the guy you want the guy who truly want and so teams like the chargers. The dolphins the bengals those guys have quarterbacks. They would be willing to trade with you. The chargers can't seem to win a game wild. They have just bawling just absolutely bawling every single week and they cannot win a game so if you call it. The chargers john. You're unless you call it the charge mike. Hey i'll give you whatever whatever to trade up to six and you go get your guy and you bring zack wilson to san francisco and he balls out and he scares even the seahawks fans because right now it feels like kylie is about to run this league at the way he's playing he's playing. Mvp level football. and yes. i think that the biggest thing. And i think if we bring on johnny venerable again i think he would agree the biggest thing. That's holding kyla lowry. Back is this cohen coach and his defense kylie. Murray is literally unstoppable. And the fact that you're gonna have to do with that guy twice a year. That sucks so get. Get yourself one of those guys. Go get zack wilson. If he's the guy go get him. If you want mack jones. Go get him if kyle. Trask interest the draft. Go get him. If you believe that those guys are going to be able to take you to a super bowl with the defense you have and the offense you have go do it. There's no reason that they should not be actively looking at a quarterback for the future because the amount of talent that quarterback is going to inherit with this team. If they have the talent they have a ceiling. Above jimmy garoppolo. You're going to notice it because they're going to be. They're going to enter a team with a ton of town. A lot of these teams they draft quarterbacks and talent around him look at to attack the lowest drafted by the dolphins. Yeah they weren't good last year but he inherited dante devante parker any he also inherited press williams any also make a second a bunch of other titans that i don't even know and he's boylan because he's really good so if you believe that. Zack wilson is that good heck if you think justin fields as the guy and you're willing to trade all the way down go get him because yeah you can go after sam darnold. But that's not a guaranteed thing. This isn't a guaranteed thing either. But i would rather have the guy we don't have to pay. That's my biggest thing. If you can just get a guy who's on a five year contract real cheap. You can continue to build that defense. Do some stuff in free agency. Make them even better so that when you get to that game against kansas city again you take them and you step on their dam neck. That defense is good enough to do that. And if they have a rookie quarterback who can ball out and has the higher ceiling. That jimmy garoppolo because jimmy garoppolo ceiling. I think it's slightly above average but if you find a guy who ceiling is elite which is very hard to do not. Everybody's patrick mahomes. And you're going to be growing pains and totally is but look at justin. Herbert look at to tag of loa. Look at joe burrow book it. What josh allen is doing in year three those guys. If you believe those guys had the pure talent to run your system and when you football games with the roster you have built then you go do it. And that's why i think right now. The forty niners are a quarterback away from being a perennial super bowl contender. This offseason is going to be the most important offseason in years because they're going to need to trim a lot of this fat. Get rid of these guys a lot of dudes they don't need on that roster anymore. Trim the fat and raft a quarterback look in the draft. Maybe get another corner safety. Get another lineman whatever you have to do to make yourself ready because if you can nail this quarterback pick and i think the zack wilson really could be the guy. I think they've really if the rumor. That adam peters was at that game. And i'm sure a lot of guys go to the game but the fact that that even is a thing tells me that there are thinking about this guy. They're thinking about him. Being the future of the franchise. And if that's your guy and you go get him and he turns out to be as good as he looks right. Now watch out. Nfc west watch out nfc. Watch out everybody because the niners only need a quarterback. I really think they are quarterback away because of a quarterback that can make the offense move. Get the offense down the field. The defense doesn't need to be on the field as much. They're going to score a lot of points and the defense is going to stop a lot of teams because that defense is still pretty good once. Nick bosa comes back. This is advertiser context. We now have two point. Three million people incarcerated in america less than seven percent of them are incarcerated for violent crime. That's attorney geoffrey. 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Kendrick bourne the amount of money i mean. Maybe they will. They'll get on for one more year. They like assize. But i would love to see with with with kendrick bourne going on the covid list and deebo probably coming back not this week but next week and being back this week. I'd like to see richard james. Some war he pulled out against the packers team and they're not great but you know he was. He was a pretty good receiver. A lot of people were like. Oh richie james really this good or they you know. They have the packers as bad. But i think richie james is a potential peace. You can have as adept wide receiver. He's not going to be better than depot and he's not going to be euch but if they can get him some reps and it sucks. Nick mones is the guy throwing them off second. Cj beathard was on the ball either like they can get them some reps. I think we should see a lot. More richie james going forward. And i think there's a potential that he could be on this team beyond this when we get the quarterback of the future. So i wanna see more richie james. If you're looking picking up fantasy why not. Just don't pick up. Trent taylor because i did that and it screwed me so richie james i wish keep him for sure keep giving him the ball giving them a chance to see what he's got. Let's see with all these guys. That's one of the things about a loss season. Is you can allows you to see some of these guys who i want. Wanna see some rivercraft craft. I'm curious what he's got. You know. I wanna see these guys who normally wouldn't play if we weren't so injured. Give him a shot. Let's see what they've got if they've gotten enough to ball out and they want to keep staying on his team. This team is going to be back in the playoffs. They might be the playoffs this year but next year they'll be back in. The playoffs for nick is healthy and they have a quarterback and so if these guys are part of that plan and we find that out from playing them in these loss games pretty much why not. So let's see what richie james. I'm totally down with that. And i'm totally down with more river craft. That guy seems like you might have some talent. We'll see Next one is from mu fossa at sushi boulevard Kyle not in the hot seat after losing more than half as games the past four years. Well the big factor with that is called. Shanahan came into one of the worst rosters. Nfl by far one of the worse rosters in the nfl and he had to rebuild it and look at brian flores dude as being an awesome coach and last year he had some talent right. He had more towns on the niners head when shannon came in and this year. He's starting to win game. Start when you know. Have talent the problem. The kyle shanahan problem is that jimmy garoppolo was supposed to be the quarterback that they want going forward and it just hasn't worked out you know when you when you have a guy who was facing the one of the statistical worst passing defenses of all time and he only threw for eighty two yards. You got to figure out you got to move on. You gotta find a young guy. Find a better guy. Find someone better to play the quarterback position because it's not working out and so you know i the first year they were awful. Brian quebec and they had they had no talent. Save winning games the next year. They got jimmy garoppolo. He wants he wins the six games. And we're like okay. Jimmy's the guy. Let's see what he has. It gets hurt. Four games into the season and then it became. you know. we'll see what happens. They get nick bosa. They go to the super bowl. You know not a lot of guys. Three years in the nfl with one of the worst rosters in the nfl and he took him to. The super bowl with a quarterback who ceiling is barely above average. And i think every night or fan can agree with me. I love jimmy. He's very handsome. I think he's a nice guy but his ceiling is above average. And he doesn't do it enough and he's parentally. He's been awful this year and so coming into this year there was so much hype and then they get injured and they get more injured and now they're one of the most injured teams in the history of the nfl and so you cannot blame head coach for these injuries. It's just you can't do it. You can blame. John lynch a little bit. Yeah because his first draft minus. George kittle pretty bad but it takes time. You can't build a team in one year. It takes multiple years to build an nfl football team. That can go out games. They did it in three years and the roster still has some problems. Don't get me wrong but they did it in three years. They took one of the worst teams. I've ever watched in my entire life to the super bowl in three years. And so john lynch akasha and get a few more years before putting them on the hot seat and john lewis and shannon need to nail this quarterback pick. They have to nail this quarterback pick. Because then you can start talking about a hot seat. But if they pick. Zack wilson and he turns out not to be the guy. Then we're gonna talk about what's going on here because they if they pick a quarterback pick mack jones. If they tried to get just feels he sucks. That's when you have to start kneeling these guys. But they need to pick a quarterback. They need to get a chance. At having a rookie quarterback on a rookie deal to groom and have and see what he can do. Because the seahawks with russell wilson cardinals are doing with tyler. Murray look patrick. Mahomes obviously not. Everyone's gonna patrick mahomes. But even if you don't play. Zack wilson week. One of the two dozen twenty one. Nfl season and you draft the guy. He better be playing. Bye bye week. If it's week six they have done with you can have i mean. I don't think they're going to have jimmy garoppolo on the roster next year. But you can have jimmy garoppolo on the roster to start the first couple of games. And until zack. wilson is ready. Ormoc jones is ready. I i'm just gonna keep things wilson. The ideas that the quarterback of the future is on the roster and behind whoever is the starter and he is going to play his first year and find a way for this team to continue to contend and with this roster. You might even be lucky enough to throw them out there in a preseason game and just see him ball out like okay. he's our guy. Scott and tony romo prescott came in and you start to see about week to a preseason debt prescott pretty good and then by week three. We're like okay. Dak prescott is pretty good and then dak prescott unseeded tony romo and so. That doesn't happen all the time. But if if it's obvious that does that wilson that they draft is better than yeah. There's no reason that they shouldn't put them out there next year. But if he's still have some growing pains. I mean look it took just in herbert to get in it took it took the quarterback to get punctured his lung for just not a chance. It is clearly way better than tyrod taylor. So if you guy and you see it put them out there but don't put him out there too soon because that that can be risky next question. Mountie pause screen media at pau screen. Mc we'll josh johnson. Be the starting quarterback for two in two weeks for us. I've i've been thinking about this a lot today because this question came in pretty early and i've actually been thinking about it and here's kind of an interesting thing about the josh johnson thing and this may be. I may come off as crazy whatever you can tell me. I'm crazy in the comments. I don't really care. I think josh johnson is going to come in and be the starting quarterback at some point to maybe not in two weeks. But i think what they're going to do is try some stuff with a dynamic running quarterback in that system and see how it goes and josh johnson is phenomenal. he's probably better than nick slightly but not much. But i think that they wanna see kind of what that looks like. I don't think kyle's had that in a lot of you know you had matt ryan. Jimmy garoppolo brian hoyer. Those aren't guys who can move. The chains with their legs and johnson can do that. Josh johnson was decent in the in the af. I mean yeah the it's not the nfl. But i do think josh johnson starts at some point this season and i think it's part of them trying to figure out an experiment and see what you know. Zach wilson trae lancer. Looks like an assist and obviously the ceiling for trae landscape justin fields. Zack wilson any of those guys is way higher than josh johnson. But i think in a lost season where you don't jimmy. Garoppolo is coming back and why not try some stuff. I guess earlier bring bringing river craig. Crap bringing jonathan cyprian. bring in. Everybody tried as much as you can see what works what doesn't work because next year it's going to be balls to the wall. You have to compete for a super bowl because this is the kovin season you're going you're going to get some you're going to get off a little bit. Dacoven season injuries all that stuff. But when nick goes back on that roster they better be killing teams. And so this season do your thing get it done next one from michael bliss ma at mike ballista fourteen. What is the best and worst possible outcome for the season record wise by some miracle. Is it good to make the playoffs. Knowing the niners aren't situated to make a deep run. And what if they finish seven and nine eight and eight should they just are tanking. This is one. That's kind of interesting. Because i'm all in on the tank for quarterback train. I hate to tell you that it's but at the same time. I don't think they need to straight up tank. Nfl teams are never gonna straight up tank. The thing is they do not have the talent with the injuries to compete against seattle arizona. They're gonna get boat race by the saints this week. They'll probably lose to the bills in a couple of weeks like they're gonna lose some games. There's only two winnable games. I think on the season really on the schedule right now with the raw. So they have and nick mones a quarterback. Josh johnson comes in and kind of changes things and quarterback or whatever. But i think that the record wise i think they win five games. I think their final record of five wins six wins if they can beat the football team which will see the football. Team's defense is actually pretty decent. And if nick mullins is the quarterback. I don't see that happening. But i mean. Ideally i'd like them to state this four win mark because it sits them up to get a better quarterback and trade less to get down to justin fields trae lance joe and zack wilson in the draft. If those guys or one of those guys your guy you know and the thing is like no matter what they record is they're probably gonna do it anyway. And so i prefer that they lose more games and trade less get down so they don't completely give up their future but that's what has happened. That's what has to happen. The one thing is is as said when things were better. This team's constantly getting healthier every single week and the roster is getting better and better. It's never going to be last year. Because you don't have nick bosa and nick bosa is just one of those guys who when he is on the football field. It changes the dynamic of a football team and can lost rookie. He gets better every week. He's not deforest buckner. The deforest buckner was a game. Recor kinlaw has the potential to be even better but he's still a rookie. And then you know. I like kerry hyder. But he's you know he's not going to take away from you know people so eric armstead can get to the quarterback easily easy easier. Sherman's gonna come back and we'll get to see what he has. But i mean i don't think they're going to. I don't think they have the roster to make a deep run even if they do get healthier and with kill being out eight weeks you're going to have to do without the best tight end in the league and ross dwelling is decent. But he's not that guy. And i like jordan. But he's not you know he's not a number one titan option Forward and then garoppolo somehow comes back then. I just don't have the biggest problem that we've had you know after that seahawks game thinking about it is that jimmy. Garoppolo doesn't scare team's defenses. Because he can't throw downfield for a long time we thought. Oh you know. He just missed that throwing the super bowl. I just don't think jimmy garoppolo has deep on his never had a deep ball in the seahawks game. He couldn't throw more than twenty yards downfield times. And you saw josh allen. Did this week. And so bring jimmy garoppolo back and having most back on jayjay yes sure makes you more nimick football team. You're still better than a lot of those. Nfc teams but. I don't see this team making a run. i think i'm beginning to think that why i thought the bucks were the team at the saints have improved every single week when they announced that they have michael thomas back. I think the defense is finally where they want it. I'm beginning to think that the saints might be it. Might be saints packers. Nfc championship with the saints. Going to the super bowl but at the same time you never know the green bay packers just completely dominated the forty nine on thursday. But i mean they were playing with practice squad team so i just don't see them being able to beat any of those teams. I don't think they'll be able to beat arizona or seattle if either one of those teams win the nfc west. And my take is that i think the arizona cardinals are going to win the nfc west They're not gonna be able to beat the packers and they're not going to be able to beat the saints. They're not guilty. The bucks unless unless tom brady decides to not throw a touchdown when he has mike evans chris godwin and rob gronkowski on the field. Which is mind boggling. Last night. And i i don't think they'll beat the eagles with this roster. They struggle with the eagles. In a way that i didn't expect and that was nick mullins. The eagles are weird. And you'd have to go to philadelphia and play does new playoff with the playoffs. They might make the playoffs. Just because of how many playoff teams are trying to do but the best thing for the forty niners right. Now i think is for them to to lose out. Get that get a low draft. Pick where they'll have to. Trade is much to get up to a quarterback and rest the offseason. Watch the playoffs from your couch. Get healthy and get ready for the actual revenge talking to call it the revenge tour by the way we're done with that that's that monikers dead but get ready for an actual real super bowl playoff run and use this offseason to get healthy and get your quarterback a future. The number one thing has to be for this organization to get the quarterback of the future. And i hope to god zack wilson. I really do. Because i don't want to treat all the way down for justin fields or trey lance but whatever. This team decides is the quarterback of the future. We'll get that guy and you know that they are thinking about that. They are thinking that. Hey jimmy garoppolo isn't the guy nick mones ain't the guy. Cj beathard and the guy just johnson is not going to be the guy. Either guys. don't don't get that trust. And he's going to have maybe a good game but he's not the guy they have to draft the guy they have to get themselves theirselves tag alot cuyler. Murray a patrick mahomes josh allen and they have to get a guy like that and and he doesn't have to play elite level football right away. He's has to be above average in this system because with the town he's going to have around him. They're going to be able to make a run and with the defense that they have. They're gonna make a run and continue to make runs while they have won that rookie contract and don't have to pay him especially if he's really good which caught opiates. I hope zack. Wilson is great. And i hope i hope. He's the marriage quarterback next year. That'll do it for this mail bag. You know if we have any time we do these you can go on the niners nation twitter page and comment on there and we will try and get as many questions as possible. Always remember to rate review. It subscribe to this podcast. If you haven't already you can find me at nine. Eight forty nine and we'll be back again next week after we get boat race by the saints. I hate to say it but it's it's not going to be too pretty with nick. Mones out there. He looks lost But let's let's let's look at the bigger picture. We're looking at the bigger picture. The twenty twenty one forty niners hype train. It's gonna be epoch pick. It's going to be epic and that's what we're going to talk about. A lot is getting to that point and trying to stay positive. I think the better rival said once it's called the elegant tank the elegant tank the best way to say it go niners yet healthy. No more injuries. And we'll see you next week.

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Niner Nate-tion: Saints reaction w/ Leo Luna + race for a QB

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Niner Nate-tion: Saints reaction w/ Leo Luna + race for a QB

"And welcome to the niners nascent. Podcast it's by week. The niners off after dropping to the saints with you as always nine hundred eight years to try and give you some positive outlook on the san francisco. Forty niners and with me. This week is my good friend. Leo luna why keep bringing on. Because you know i like a little bit positively on my show. Are you doing man. I appreciate you having me all once again. I i enjoy doing these with you. because that positivity is i think a two way street I like being positive myself because his team does have a lot of potential. And i think we both that evenly and i think that's the biggest thing is every win or a loss for the twenty twenty. Forty niners is a win for the twenty twenty one forty niners. It was so obvious today. And we'll talk more about this saints game in a little bit here. But it was so obvious how much they are. Hampered by just not having any quarterbacks on the roster and the more they lose the closer they get to a guy like i talked about last week on the show. Zach wilson mack. Jones heck even trae lance if they lose enough games but real quick. Let's get into a quick. Nfc west check in a big shakeup. The current champions of the nfc west of the season ended right now would actually be cuyler. Murray and the arizona cardinals they take out the buffalo bills who destroyed the seattle seahawks last week. Thirty two to thirty and man. Kyla morandi deandre hopkins being in this. Division is really scary. It's a good thing. The niners have a great defense and they'll be fine also in the nfc west. The seattle seahawks dropped two in a row. This time to the los angeles rams the rams take out the seahawks twenty three to sixteen and the rams are second place in the nfc west. The seahawks are third. And the forty niners. Who lose to the new orleans saints twenty seven thirteen or fourth place and this is crazy. This is like opposite year in the nfc west. What do you think man. it is I was never really in arizona believer because always made the point a cliff. Kingsbury couldn't even win with patrick mahomes playing in the big twelve will all you need is off into. No deep antique. Couldn't win there. What changes my mind that. He's in a win with in the nfl with a second year quarterback carlos mary a. I've been quickly proven wrong through ten weeks of the nfl season. They're doing it and it's just weird because like we said forty niners should have been the clear favourite coming into the season Injuries hampered them and now on the bottom in arizona's doing what the forty niners did last season in there on the top. And the thing is i. I think the biggest factor with the cliff. Kingsbury thing is. I think there's a lot of times where kings were actually limits. I think steve time he's drafted a tremendous team over there in arizona. Buddha is currently. What probably probably the defensive player of the year. I think and tyler moore has the under hopkins whose atop the receiver. He's proven yet again this season. He's a top receiver in the league and they don't even need a decent running back when they have kylie run the ball constantly. So i mean there. There are a real threat and they could go into seattle. This thursday a knockoff. Seattle enhanced seattle their third loss in a row. Which would be pretty crazy. Because i don't think seattle's ever lost three in a row in the pk era. Yeah i don't think so as well and it honestly when it surprise me because over the past four games the seattle seahawks record is one in three. Ignore the five start. They are one in three over. The last four games that one win came against a completely injured forty niners team. And now they're going to play arizona team who is pumped up is ready to take over the division while the forty niners are having a down year and it wouldn't come to a chocolate olive to seattle lose three in a row because of that they can't stop a nose bleed on defense if they are terrible offensively and not to talk about the seahawks. But you're forgetting the most important stat. Russell wilson has ten turnovers in his last four games. Russell wilson's playing the worst football of his career right now which is insane. But this isn't the seahawks. I don't wanna talk about but hey we're enjoying the fact that yeah. Maybe we might. We might suck suck from injuries but they have most of their players except for their running back and they suck and their quarterback who was wondering. What when the he wanted me every pay no more so we can at least take a little solace in that that we can make fun of the twelve. Yeah we may not win the division. But hey the twelve's aren't having a good time either so we can have a little fun with that next. i want to get into our new segment. We're going to do here now the by week. And that's the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft order. Check in so what we're gonna do. Every week is look at where the forty niners are picking. Who's picking in front of them. That could take a quarterback and you know who niner fans should be hoping to win some games for the niners can move up in that draft order and one thing. I'll get grow clear because a lot of people kinda last week about this idea of tanking. The nfl team is going to straight up tank. That's just not going to happen. The forty niners are so decimated with injuries. That they're probably not gonna win a lot of football games. That's just how it is. When you don't have a quarterback on the roster who can even get the ball downfield and has to be literally cater to every minute of the game. You're not gonna win a lot of games so the biggest thing we have to look forward to is twenty twenty one as we said last week. The niners are a quarterback away. You get your quarterback of the future and you prosper next year. So we're going to be looking at the draft a lot and it's going to sound like i want them to lose. I never want the team to lose. But they're going to lose just the fact of football. That's the fact of where this team is right now. So real quick. The niners are picking twelfth currently. So we're gonna look real quick at the teams in front of them. And if we think they're going to take a quarterback so first all the new york jets. I think they give up on sam darnold and take trevor lawrence that pretty much. That's gotta be the gist right now. Right absolutely absolutely when nine. Why would they go on a stretch and win three games or even two games that that's where they're at and given the what we've seen from darnold over there in new york. It's a fair assessment. And that's from what i'm hearing out of that new york market. That's their goal to take lawrence okay. So he's off the board then the jacksonville jaguars at two. They're probably gonna take justin fields. Most likely and give up on gardner minshew. They've lost eight in a row now even though they put up with that packers team pretty well. Yeah they're definitely taking a quarterback the fact they moved on from Ready tells me okay. he's not our franchise guy and then the the guy they have rolling out. Now he's not the franchise guy either so they're probably taking yup. They're probably taking justin fields. So then we have the dallas cowboys. Who they're kind of a wild card because they could technically give up on dak prescott if they wanted to but most likely seem that they'll sign him long term and maybe take a corner because their defense is absolutely terrible. Maybe as bad as the seattle seahawks he asked That's the definitely a team. I would keep my eye on. Because if they were gonna pay tax something tells me they would have done that already and not just kind of string him along this entire time until he gets hurt and now do they wanna give him that forty million dollar contract finally after he just shreds ankle. I'm not sure about that I'm not going to move on. They him that contract they owe him. But it's the nfl. Jerry jones is a businessman. And i'm not saying they're going to move on from him but their team to keep an eye on As far as taking a quarterback because essentially even with the injury you could trade back for two first round and that defenses terrible. They could take a quarterback on a rookie deal there. Take the to trump's from dak and just rebuild that way. But i i think they keep track but her. They're wild card that we should not ignore and the next one is the washington football team. I almost said the other name. The washington football team who is putting out alex. Smith and kyle allan this season. It seems like they've given up on asking simply. That's probably where trae lance is going. Most likely right. Yeah now that would be most likely scenario something. Just i still feel weird about demography like they're gonna make a washington decision and not take an obvious need at quarterback If alex smith continues to put up three hundred yard games. I just have that sneaky suspicion with them considering what they shown as a franchise the past what twenty years yeah. They're they're bizarre. The run so weird. But we're so that's a team. The washington washington football team is the team. I think we're hoping get some wins and maybe can get out of the niners range. Then we have the los angeles chargers they have justin. Herbert the miami dolphins they have to attack of tongue of a loa the cincinnati bengals have joe burrow the new york giants. They're not going to quit on. Daniel jones i think yet and i think they're going to move. I think they're going to win. Some games. obviously fans you. You wanna be rooting for the new york giants to win some games here Because i and i think they will. Because i think they're probably the best team in that horrible horrible division which is bizarre if they do that division no way. They take quarterback. And i think you're bound to say that next and if they come up a game shot. They still probably don't take a quarterback because they love daniel jones and that's their type of quarterback that they want exactly and so the next we have the carolina panthers they're trotting out teddy bridgewater right now they. I pretty sure you has a three year contract. But i would still be rooting for carolina to win some games just in case because they are a team. That could take a quarterback here and then the atlanta falcons is a weird one. Because matt ryan has that big contract lot of money a lot of dead money if they trade him or they release him. Do you think the atlanta falcons could take a quarterback. I absolutely think they can They could just sit on behind matt ryan for one year or even two years and let him be mentored in enroll amount for their. It just depends on if they like that. Guy as in. Zack wilson or mack jones. Depending if they like them. I think they would absolutely consider sitting him for two years. But that's also gonna come down to the head coach in the gm that's going to be a new regime there and then picking eleventh right in front of the forty niners. Currently it's only by the denver broncos who drew lock and i don't think they're gonna give up on him this fast i think they probably go edge rusher most likely. But what do you think i. I think they're another wildcard team to where we gotta keep our eye on them. They may decide to say. Hey also they keep big banjo if they bring in an offensive guy. He made fall in love with zack. Wilson or mack jones as well and they're also thirteen that's decimated by injuries. They lost von miller. They lost other cameron in so they could be an option to move back. Maybe stockpile some pics. Yeah hopefully. They're not taking a quarterback. But i think the big to that niner fan should be watching during the bye week. I know there's no niner. Football is carolina atlanta. You need them to win some games to move up and get closer to that bottom. You know the top of the draft order. Obviously you're never going to get to the new york jets and jacksonville. Jaguars are but with. Four four wins. I will get later and talking about the rest of the season. I don't see many more winds coming. This is probably a right where they're going to be in that ten. Maybe seven the lowest they go. And hopefully you know the quarterback they want as their which is hopefully zach. Zach wilson or mack jones and somehow they land just feels a miracle. That's cool too. But i doubt that's going to happen. I feel empty on those ohio state quarterbacks although justin field is a completely different guy than they have been rolling out recently. Like i said. I feel about a holiday quarterbacks but joe burrow was there as well and most people feel about byu quackster niner fan. And we had steve young. So i mean that's the thing is nine. Tour is all up in arms. About zack wilson. And he was office. We didn't play. But you know. I have this feeling steve young. Byu this one feels good. We'll see as the season goes on. I think he has two more games left in his season. So you'll be able to watch him a little bit more. And i think mac. John was supposed to play this week but kovic stopped that game. So hopefully we'll see what happens. We'll see what this draft order does as we go on but we'll be checking out on the after a little bit shorter every week. This was just the first one nine is currently picking twelve so rooke. Let's talk the suburb of the game. Yesterday i feel like there was some bright spots about this game that we can actually talk about and have a little none of friends. You can get a little bit happier about the good yesterday. I think and you. Can i think that this yesterday solidified the fact that john lennon cal shannon really nailed the deforest buckner trade. In a way that i think the whole week was was was about to deforest. Buckner comments about how he wishes they paid and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Kinlaw was awesome. This game and i feel like he has a ceiling that actually might be higher than what we saw from deforest. Buckner what do you think i think with the people expecting kinlaw to be deforest buckner from day. One is never gonna happen. I don't care who. It is as a rookie. Nick bozos obviously a different breed. And that's why. I think a lot of it has to do with seeing what nick both did as rookie last year as well to make people think that kinlaw deforest buckner from day one it was not going to happen and the sack total eventually and i see that as something that can just be sticking out now. He got his one and a half. Now go into next game yet to two and a half three four in and it's a related to baseball basically. You can have a baseball player. That goes through a terrible stretch. Hits to for twenty five and then nice you know. In his next ten at bats he gets eight hits with three home runs. I see that very happening with kinlaw. Because he did look great with his hands. And that's something that's really separated. Buckner from wall is being technical with his hand placement in the trenches and kimmel show that yesterday. That's how he got his sack that's how he created pressure in run defense and he is on the right step. I think what makes it tough for. All the fans is not kinlaw himself replacing buckner. Just eric armstead not hitting the quarterback since week four. Yeah that's yeah that's that's part of the bad. We'll get into a little bit tonton arms there quite yet but the other guy the other first round pick is brennan and i think i was one of those guys when they are you mad because judy was there. Rugs was there ceedee. Lamb was there. And i think ceedee lamb probably with a better quarterback has probably doing a lot better than us right now you know him and dako bowling but it really feels like i is already a number one wide receiver on this team and deebo samuel is perfect complement. And i think richie james is another great compliment. And i think we're finally starting to see a little bit more. Richie james in the offense which is great. You know wants deebo comes back. The wide receivers are really starting to feel solidified. It feels like i is the number one guy. What do you think. I think the same thing and what people have been questioning with. This forty niners team is quarterback play quarterback play and often blind play. Which we've helped those. You have those things off and this guy is still balling looking at his last three games. Either you put up seven catches seventy five yards eight catches ninety one yards six catches one hundred fifteen yards touchdown touchdown and then no touchdown so he has two touchdowns in his last three games actually three touchdowns in his last four games and the kid has been on a tear and he looks like the right. Pick on with you. As far as i saw judy on the board In i saw ceedee lamb on the board they essentially pass those guys up because kyle shanahan did say he saw a you guesses number one guy on the board and from what it's looking like he wasn't just saying that to make everybody feel good because they took you saying that because he actually believed it. And we're seeing it come into fruition I you just. He's making veterans. Not look so much like veterans and he's a rookie so the sky is the limit. When it comes euch it really feels like shanahan and lynch proved every nine energy m wrong. Who wanted judy me included. I was wrong. I because the guy. He's currently the second best wide receiver in this class. I think stat wise. You know probably just down to justin jefferson. I don't think did much today against the bears. Still like i is a star and once they get the quarterback of the future who can get this guy the ball who the niners have some real real talent. We talked a lot about this last week. The niners have so much talent that once they have a quarterback they will be super bowl contenders. They will be a scary team. No matter what kyla morandi andre hopkins and baker and all them are doing they are still the kings of the nfc west once they get the quarterback. And that's the biggest thing you know. What good bad. Good bad the biggest problem yesterday. Was this battle line. But here's the thing and you can tell me if you think. This is my my ideas. I think the line yet. It's not great but the quarterback is so much worse than the old line that it's making the line play ten times worse. I think with a real quarterback. That'll line isn't a problem. what do you think. I didn't agree to that because this wasn't so much worse than last year. Like i don't care about what the dv away says or the pass blocking wind grade says I think a lot of it does come down to the quarterback play last year. We had this team gonna tear off offensively as far as points per game yardage and they were out there with justin school. As you're left tackle you had tomlinson. Um you had garland you had Mike person as well as brun skill as you're right tackle that's not so much better than this current offensive line A lot of inches came down. A general love playing good football He was getting the ball out quick this year. It seems like the quarterbacks kind of teetering away from their i read. If he's not immediately open they don't know where to go with the ball necks. And it's just i don't see that much different than last year. As far as who they had out there at a four game stretch this this offense of line is it'll be okay get most back. They'll be fine. I yeah and that's the thing is like the quarterbacks are so bad on this roster that i feel like it's really holding the whole team down you know mon sucks. Cj beathard stocks and jimmy garoppolo is average so the thing is is. You're having this this lack of any quarterback who scares a team which is leading to more blitzes more teams. Just you know okay. This guy can't throw we're just gonna go kill him any way we can and yes. Mcglinchey is getting killed every single play like. Don't get me wrong. Mcglinchey is getting killed. I mean did you see what they were doing. With with gartner johnson yesterday the saints knew that there was no chance moans was going to beat them and moans gets happy feet as soon as anybody gets through the line and they just took advantage of it. And i feel like with a real quarterback like a mac jones. Zack wilson heck. Even at sam darnold. I don't know maybe. Not sam darnold but dak prescott for instance they manipulate a pocket manipulate their line and make the players around them better so that we're not getting killed like we are right now. I mean this is the online is pretty much unwatchable. But if you watch the quarterback. He's not helping them out. What so ever. Yeah absolutely mcglinchey has been absolutely bad and i would love for the forty niners to stick to their guns and say hey. We're not giving you that. Fifth year option. We understand you play a pivotal position in this offense. But the way your passed protecting. We're not giving you that fifth year option. You're going to have to earn that that big salary because that's what that fifth year option would be essentially a bank salary and But even with mcglinchey pink playing that bad he gets laid on his butt and gives up a pressure in about a second probably three times a game. It's not happening. Every single pass. A at most is three times a game. He gives up a pressure in less than a second. It's not like there is ways that the quarterbacks can improve their play to not expose him as much. The those three plays mcglinchey gives up a pressure in in less than a second. Yeah i get it. I'll give the quarterback the benefit of the doubt but if mcglinchey is at giving you at least three seconds then i don't wanna hear it because that ball should be out already. Yeah and if you bring me mcglinchey back in yes to play for you know. He has to play for his contract going forward. He's going to work as but off to protect. Whoever is the quarterback. I think because he wants that big money every player does and it's only season that he comes out and kills it. That's what it is but you know they're i think they're gonna patriot. Lands i really. I think they're going to patrons and fred warner in this offseason. I think those are the two big ones they're going to do. And this line for whoever comes in hopefully a mobile quarterback or a quarterback who can at least move around not standing like a statue. Like nick. Jimmy garoppolo and cj beathard can make this o. Line better next year because right now. The lime looks awful. But it probably. Isn't that much worse than last year. It's that the quarterbacks have been terrible. so i don't like arnold's this is not a arizona cardinals pot but collar murray has a terrible offense of lying and right now. He is the least sacked quarterback in the nfl. They didn't approve their offense of lying last season. They actually drafted a guy in josh jones out of houston who was projected first round pick and he's not even seeing the field so they didn't improve their offensive line yet is mobility is able to keep him as the least sacked quarterback in league right now. Yeah exactly when you have a great quarterback it makes up for deficiencies on the rest of the team. Let's get back to a good thing. So real quick there was a stat that you read out yesterday about our boy. Jason i just want you to have the glory of reading out that stat. Real quick about michael thomas so in michael thomas career. He has never been a to reception guy in a game. Never never never never happened. The least he's ever caught in a game was three. But jason brett held michael thomas to a career. Low two receptions for only twenty seven yards. that is fantastic in coming into that game. That's something i said. jason Needs to on michael thomas. Because he is able to embrace these guys routes consistently. I remember when everybody talked up jason brad. Before he even played a game started game for the forty niners was showing that clip when he played against tonio brown in pittsburgh steelers and he was like running antonio brown antonio brown's routes for him that's what he did yesterday to michael thomas and it was outstanding because some people call michael thomas best receiver in the. Nfl did not look like it yesterday. With ran on him jason barrett is the man i. I've said it. A million times on the show i if they can find a way to sign him cheap and yes i know. He's been injured a million times. But he's been so that if they can have him and draft a corner in the second or third round after they get their quarterback this secondary is going to be so good. And it's going to be so good because i think they have found the best safety on on the team and we're going to go good again real quick because it's just it worked by segue work to various more is just the man and is the best safety on the team. Am i right absolutely absolutely eats. He's the best safety on this team. He's a four three guy standing tall at six to. He has the most range more than jimmy ward. Jim i jimmy. Ward is a fine player and he gets he gets downgraded more than he should by the general fans interceptions but because he doesn't get any turnovers but he does like yesterday he had a great pass break up but on those interceptions this is what takes torn areas more over the top over him tar various more as better instincts and he could get there quicker because he plays faster than jimmy ward that interception in the super bowl i get that feels like a century ago but he dove on that pass after a tips in any cottage he picked off. Patrick frigging mahomes. In the biggest game of the franchise since two thousand thirteen and that was straight on instincts is that he looked like michael phelps diving into the pool before a race in the olympics and he has seen that yesterday when they try to go to alvin kamara. He is so quick. He didn't get the tackle but he made that into a negative. Play for the saints. Just because that's how rangy and he is the best safety on the team because he will have his interception opportunities. The saints are not gonna test down the field much so i wasn't expecting to see that yesterday but against a team like the rams who will like to try and throw downfield the bills. Who would like to try and throw downfield. Who are the next two opponents for the forty niners. I won't be shocked at various markets and intersectional. I think i think there's an argument. The various more should be started going forward and the of next year. I think that you're starting safeties are solidified at this point because tarts not coming back. I just don't see it. I just don't see any word that. And i loved to costco target. There's not going to pay him when you have carver's more and you have jimmy ward. I think that's your stacy's and then you're corners will be drafted guy and jason barrett most likely and then you have a manual moseley. They're still depth pieces there and even moseley might start until you bring in the guy. You're draft to play corner but a gone we're starting to see and that's one good thing about a law season as you start to see things kinda get figured out for next season like we're starting to see you know where they're going to go with the with the secondary that is i mean it was phenomenal with schakowsky. Tarp but i think it has the potential to be even better if they draft the right guy in the second or third round at corner and you know get brett back shirts not terms. Gonna play sherman. We'll play the season a guarantee sherm. We'll play go. What are you are you. They could bring back emmanuel moseley but that would be He they would have to tender him. So it's kind of like a one year deal and then he's an unrestricted. Free agent is your thought on corner to long-term at assuming manual moseley might get paid somewhere else. If he's playing the way he is in the forty niners may not wanna match it is. Is that your thought behind it. I think my thoughts are i. Don't see the paying mostly long term. I think that they're gonna. I think they're going to get out on a on a on a deal for the team. I don't think he's going to ask for a million dollars because he's been fertile off. I mean he's not gonna million dollars is nothing. Nfl you know what i mean like. He's not gonna ask for a big contract. I think that they're going on him right. And because of that. I think it's going to help. Forty niners and i think for red is your corner as long as you can get hurt you some wood somewhere and he's your corner next year and then i think that your your your long term solution is probably to draft a guy because i think your two biggest needs are corner or cornerback and quarterback and not not. I think we're back. Is your number one by far nowhere close to anything else. But i think getting another cornerback. Who can be on a long term contract that you can put out there you know. I love moseley. But i mean maybe they will tender. I'd love to have out there again. But i just don't see them paying him long-term got it okay. So they tend to him which is pretty much a one year deal For three million and then after that he would be an unrestricted free agent. But meet saying that question out loud. It made taking a cornerback in the second round. Make more sense because moseley as someone that can play from the sly and he play slot very well. Yeah forty nine. Ers could just turn mostly into the nickel corner if they don't see him as a long-term answer and i think cohen's contract is up. I kind of like jamaal taylor. Though i'm not gonna lie to you tomorrow has been really really good. So i mean i'll send him a text. Let let him know to listen to this pot. So here he could hear the demar taylor hype train. Yeah he's been really good. That's the thing is like it's crazy. And i've talked about this every week on the show. Despite the fact that they're so injured and so destroyed that they have all this talent in the secondary and all this talent linebacker and they're still playing pretty decent football. Their offense can't score because they don't have a quarterback but the defense is still really good and we're seeing at every week. How good this defense is. I mean you help the saints to twenty points for most of that game. The saints scored forty on the tampa bay buccaneers which is the best defense in the nfl. There was the best defense in the nfl by a lot of people by the third quarter. So you know it's it's one of those things defense has so much talent and you know you've people forget. Nick boasts coming back like right. He's not gone forever and kinlaw is even better next year. There's there's the thing is you last season. You look at bright spots. The defense is an absolute bright spots. The wide receivers are an absolute bright spot and and the quarterback situation just has to get fixed but real quick. Let's get into the last bad before we get into the rest of the season. Run through the last bat. Is eric armstead. And i love eric. Arm said. I hope he doesn't come after me on twitter after the show posts but he has been nonexistent. The season and i don't know if that's because he doesn't have nick bosa. But what i mean what do you what do you think i. I can't figure it out. Because i feel like yeah. Sure not having a big deal but he should be a lot better when he's paid as high as years. Yeah i think what we're seeing from armstead is is a lack of motivation The the same play yesterday. That more came in flying break up on camera which was a screen ended up for a loss. A kinlaw rally him in digit qinglong. Dj jones rallied for the tackle after drake greenlaw. Everybody sprint it to the guy with the ball. Who was chimera eric. Armstead did not and it was clear on film And he kinda just jogged his way there and then when he jarred his way there ca gave him little move in. Eric armstead fail to his knee. So not trying to put the guy while he's damn since that's what but he's just. I'm seen a lack of drive in a lack of motivation. It's kind of like once. This team was a super bowl. Halliburton season last. Came seven minutes away and now the team is torn with injuries. As best friend buckner is not on the team. No more. it's nobody i. It seems like he's not he doesn't have that same drive. Doesn't have that same motivation to be great to be legendary as they said. When quan was on the team doesn't seem like he has at this year at least not in the past few games in that's really affecting his play. I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt. Because i really liked this guy. But thank i wanna give him the benefit of the doubt as well but when i see everybody sprinting to the ball on. You're the one guy going thirty percent to the ball. Nah i gotta be honest. Not a good look. I hope that maybe he's their long term. So it's not like he's not going to be back next year. But i'm hoping maybe once nick comes back like we start to see the the dominator armstead and if we don't then they have to start thinking about you know what you do with him going forward He's just been nonexistent. And that's it sucks and the bad reality of the situation is he is better playing inside when rushing the passer so that's affecting with him a bit because of duty injuries. He is forced to play on the outside. Which that's not his suit when it comes to rushing the passer. He's great on the outside when it comes to stopping the run but he has difficulty getting to the quarterback when he is playing from the outside of the offensive line. I mean that's that's just the situation monitor. And i think that in a lost season like this. It's it's it's like we'll see what happens obviously. Sp nation presents the sp nation nfl show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the nfl season with your favourite sp nation community leaders. You'll get reactions to what happened on sunday. Film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the espn nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast app to be sure you don't miss a single episode real quick before the end of the show. Let's quickly talk about the rest of the season. It's week eleven bye week. We've all we've talked about a lot. How the seasons lost the injuries. Just kill this you know. You can't overcome these kind of injuries and having poor quarterback play but the next game when we return is on november twenty nine at the los angeles rams and do you think they can win this game. I don't think there's any chance they win this game. I think they're pissed about the fact that when the niners were at least moderately healthy most ran all over him. And kittle killed them and they couldn't do anything and now. This team is hampered with with nick mullins. Who's might he might die by. Aaron donald because he's awful. My dial like i'm really worried about for nick mullins life but what do you think about this los angeles rams game coming on. Daniel run skill a own team. Hopefully that that. Stay sue for that game I think they do have shot because they will have most bag. And that's the key to the offense of run game. They'll also get deebo samuel back. Unfortunately they won't get killed back but joy reid on my. He's making one handed catches out there. He looks fantastic. Obviously not george kittle. But he looks great. I'll get forty niners at. I think what makes it tough is that you're going to have one of these receivers whether it's it's probably gonna be brandon you. We we saw. What jalen ramsey did decay metcalf hulu. Kamer yeah so I think that's going to bode some some trouble. If if mcmullan to go brennan uk's way But do i think it's game. They can win. Yes because all i see saul that the rams did yesterday was run a lot of power which the forty niners are good against the run this year and just some play action passes. That's all their offense was yesterday. That beat the seattle seahawks forty niners even with a ton of injuries. Third top five defense. So i think they can maintain this rams offense. It'll come down. Nick mones against against the rams defense honestly because the ramp event has been good this year. Yeah i just don't trust. I don't trust nick mullins. I just don't look at watching that saints game. It was like they had a chance to win that game. But he's so bad that he can't overcome any adversity. And i think that's one of the things you're notice as we get through these games. I see only one win personally. And i will let you know that when we get to it but nick mullins not able to go into l. a. and beat that l. a. team. I just don't think there's any chance of how does it i think with garoppolo was there. Like i've said garoppolo was bad this year but when he plays average football which he did he played average football against the los angeles rams win. I'm saying the reason i'm saying. We need a quarterback because we need above average to overcome adversity and overcome problems like the to muffed punts yesterday. So that's the thing is i just. Don't see moans being able to beat this los angeles rams team but then on december seventh. They play the buffalo bills on monday night. Football at home at leave is and i think josh allen is going to have a day and i just don't see i don't see it. I just don't see this buffalo team. That's fighting for their division. Divisional lives at this point because miami's just blowing people away. I think how good they are. I think it's buffalo in miami finding for the division. I don't see a way that that the forty niners can pull out. What do you think the only way the forty niners pull this one out is if josh continues to play the way he does on mondays and tuesdays so i think that's the best case for him is will now for him but for the forty niners. Is this game's not on sunday. It'll be on a monday. So hopefully Josh allen could continue to have those weekday woes He treats them like if it's supposed to be as often. Why am i playing here today. so that's the best thing for them but on paper. There's there's no way the forty niners should win that game just because not that. They're not good enough. It's hurt brett will help. We'll probably do pretty well against digs. It's just they're so injured and the quarterback like that was the thing you saw when the niners went down it was like ten seventeen or something or what it was twenty. Two ten armor was. Everyone was like this. Game's over because we know nick mones cannot come back with the way that they're blitzing the way they're playing defense against that and buffalo was going to do the same thing. Yes around good as the saints but are on defense. But they're still going to do the same thing. everybody knows. What nick mullins is. He's not an nfl quarterback and so that's what they do. And that's why i think this. Next game on december thirteenth is a loss because the washington football team has chase. Young and chase young is going to get to nick. Mullins all day and mcmullan's is not going to be able to. And i think the washington football teams defense is actually pretty decent. Yes there are often stinks. But they have scary. Terry and i like antonio gibson washington. Football team is actually as bad as as their record really says i think they have some talent and i think that they just don't have a quarterback i mean wouldn't it be funny if alex smith came into levi's and just killed working honestly that when a surprise me because even though he's ten year whatever he's still playing very efficient football I'm gonna give the forty niners that win over washington. I'm not ready to call that yet. But i can see where you're going for this I would not be shocked by any means because they do have terry mclaren. I just don't think washington has much of a run game and that's gonna be there issue planning forty niners because while they have terry maclaurin jason bread on the other side So i do like the forty niners. Chances in that game yeah. Jason brett factor and then so december twentieth at dallas. This is where. I think the forty niners get their last win of the season. The dallas cowboys are awful. And i think their quarterback cooper rush right who is corre dalton. Spoil start this sunday dalton. Aw he was on pace to start. The thing is the dallas cowboys. Their defense was already bad. Dak was there was just able to overcome it with offensive play. But andy dolphins bad that look for the niners. Get a lot of sacks against the dallas cowboys. I think they're the cowboys they are. Just awful out dak prescott. Like that's why. I don't get why jerry jones wouldn't pay them pay him because look at how. Look at the difference between having back and not having yeah. They weren't winning too much with back. But i think they could possibly turn that season around They're looking like what happened with peyton manning when he went down for the colts like they can't even stay in a game by time. The fourth quarter comes around exactly. Yeah and so. The final two games at the arizona cardinals. I said on this show last week. The arizona cardinals win the nfc west. Arizona cardinals are in the nfc west. They're going to take advantage of the fact that you're injured and they're going to take you out most likely i. This was a win back when garoppolo was holding. The team was a lot more healthy. But now it's certainly a loss. Just because i just don't think that they can put up with that team. What kind of murray is doing what that defense is. How that defense is playing. Nick mones is gonna play scared. And i'm hoping by this time. We're looking at josh johnson at quarterback. Oh man that. You're talking about intriguing times on josh johnson. I think nick mullins still gives them a better chance win. Although josh johnson does add that mobility so i would like to see a quarterback. I miss system before. Zack wilson. so i do find that interesting cardinals. I think they do a chance. Obviously i don't. I don't even need a touch on the cowboys game. That's a win Cardinals i think they still have the chance. Because outside of george kittle. They should have their offense to that. Game jordan reid's playing like a top twelve tight end so i like their chances in that Even still playing top five. But it's it's i obviously can't saying the forty niners should be favored in that game. It's it's gonna be like their chances except for the dallas game. i think do dallas games. The only game they might be favored in. And maybe it'll figure favorite in the washington game because depending on what. The football team does with alex smith going forward but then favorite in any of these games and the final game against seattle who they can't be even when jimmy garoppolo and rodman moster healthy and it's not it's not even it's the injuries it comes down to the injuries and it comes down to the fact that the quarterback is not an nfl quarterback. That's why i don't think they win a lot of these games. If they had a quarterback even if they had jimmy garoppolo we might be talking a little different because garoppolo if he plays average football and shannon schemes things. But the biggest problem. We've had all year. Is i feel like shanahan's getting frustrated with mullins and garoppolo. Because he's having to do so much for these guys he's having too much to make them not make mistakes to give them chances to score on these plays. And it's it's a bummer. But i'm hoping with these losses in effect that we're dealing with this. You know lost season. They can fix the biggest problem as we talked about last week. And that's where shanahan get so frustrated is not asking garoppolo to do much this last game. He finally called a grabble light game mullins and not try to get so much air yards out of him or try to skim things up down. Feel it. I see it's shanahan said okay. I'm gonna call the game plan. I wanna call with nick mullins Because if nikola fails that's not on me. It's a backup quarterback. You can't really blame me the game you saw the competitive come from shannahan. And he wanted to win once again for his team so he called a jimmy. Light game for nick mullins. Nick mullins badly. And i think that's why the forty niners will go with the quarterback in rome one exactly and that's the thing guys bye week. We're here season hasn't gone that way. Look forward to the future. That's where we're going to try and do the best we can on this show. Thanks for coming on leo. i really appreciate it. If people wanna check out your stuff. How can they check it out. So you can go ahead and check me out on twitter at luna ninety three as well as sports illustrated all forty niners. You'll see featured articles. There should be having a great one coming up soon with a couple of players Just got to get clearance on that fingers crossed as well as a tapped in sports. You for sure and you can check me out at nine or eight forty nine on twitter. Make sure you like and subscribe and check out the podcast feed lot of different stuff on there. A lot of people trying to you know. There's a lot of things to talk about with this season and with you have a team. That's still talented. There's a lot of good things to look at a lot of things to look forward to still check out all the different shows. We have on no more injuries. Go niners enjoy the bye week. Everybody root for the carolina. Panthers root for the atlanta falcons to win some games so we can keep moving up in that draft order and get our guy. Hopefully zack wilson maximum. We'll see you next week. I'll go on what are you.

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Barstool Rundown - October 5, 2020

Barstool Rundown

27:01 min | 6 months ago

Barstool Rundown - October 5, 2020

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After we'd be Lsu I looked at the schedule and I just saw nothing but wins nothing but wins. Easy Win Kentucky easy when Alabama? Comfortable win you know stuff like that. Now it's all. It's all loss loss loss loss depressing to Arkansas fat coach. I'm. Not Proud. Damn. Shame them. Because I have to reach out and I have to deflect from my sadness and make it and make fun of somebody else. That is what I do actually answer. But at least ole miss loss, right Well. I got some bad got played. Outplayed they gave him a your. Fucking Kentucky. Ticker that can make an extra point. Back. Did they win but they have lain train lane for they're the worst defense in the fucking country. Awesome Guess. What what There's a professional football player. Now, in Seattle, whoever thought, it'd be boss who might be one of the best receivers in. Whatever? Out saying Oh. My God are we sleeping Ole miss talent nobody's doing that. We might need to start looking at low DAK PRESCOTT PRO quarterback Chris Jones pro bill. Cousins is better than. What. Not Losing. Games. Now, losing games in the last specifically no losses. The first quarterback in the history of the League to throw for four hundred, fifty yards three straight weeks, pepperoni. pepperoni. qb Are we count qb. Losses on this show this program, how many losses you score over thirty five points a game it's not a QB losses a defense loss. Tried I'd. Win. The. That's what it shows up is de L. defensive loss I'm. Ruined people are saying like, wow, ole miss like nobody has an actually a Juggernaut I heard. Toilet on the Ansi C. Call and it was great but. I don't. Let's find. You didn't see that. No, he was on the SEC media call last week in It was zoomed obviously and he he rushed big dump right during his conversation. Played Great Defense last year and in the first game and. Women explosive plays. You know as a team. So A. Lot of stake here need to play. Well, hell bearing what Mike Leach do talk about pirates. You like my least. Likely. Last week you had a nice victory lap after Lsu so people are going to naturally want to know. Sometimes, you fly too close to the sun now I'm back. What Brennan of the metal good right here. Let's talk about the bears being godawful pieces of Shit. That's a good friend. Came in three in on the they play the colts nineteen eleven loss becky made me hate football so the bears couldn't do shit thrown the joy of having goal shit having Nick Foles dougherty did last week completely on now you know what Nick foles is what he is. Okay. He's not GONNA be incredible I'm sick and matinee. Can you run the ball? I don't know man we change off it's of line coach. We changed the entire tight end room, which aims the quarterback guests who is still the same man nick. Yeah. That's the only thing that hasn't changed. Me In, the third quarter and in the second. Quarter third quarter. The bears ran the ball four times. All four runs were from under center and all the passes were shocked. I didn't do that. Easy to defend and guess what they did on third and one. When you need the first down, go under center you fucking hand the ball off maybe it's time for a quarterback change maybe get actually think you might be right get Mitch back in their. Sheep changing back and forth because the backups always going to be better there's been some tyler bray talk to show I. think that was one guy yeah. No. Yeah, but there has been some talk was. Know someone need like hide video and it was like, wow this. I see high video I'm all in on anything I'm root for Tyler Bray I think he's so busy. Yea He hit me up one coach Jones went Tennessee. So I'm rooting for you gotTA start the backups. That's what the eagles should have been doing start the backup so they can get hurt and then you put in the starters you just start starting the backups so you can get to the starter. We actually haven't had run down since that happened Thursday night. This is the first one down since dogs got hired -gratulations duct he's now on A. Story. This is not an easy decision for me as that is currently my own source of income. I have faith. Dogs a winner. And Doug will find a way. Great? Guy. Somebody that saw that he was waiting he looked like barstool our big cats coach and he made a thing out of it and boom he's he's got a job. Coach look like Joe Rogan. Then, we would have hired him or Barack Obama. Easily. Heart. Come on down the one person you made it. Happened? To be that guy. Yeah Dreams I. I was very tired on Thursday. tweeted dreams do exist and people would. Like that wasn't even. True though. Dreams do come true but you said dreams do exist and they're like. We didn't think. Yeah. Okay. All right. So the Eagles, the did go out to Santa Clara and beat San Francisco There Snyder now leading the NFC east at one to one and you are. Fully back I'm just a fickle dumb idiot one hundred percent. Same Dumb. Idiot I. Just buy in week to week I'M GONNA buy in so fast. I was in idiot for thinking Neta over the first three weeks that that was going to be determinative of the entire season. That's not a word. Could determine determintation. Determined. Abel's permeable. They're back on the back. It'd be the team that went to the Super Bowl last year take that for what it's worth now for not much. Nick mones bad CJ. Beathard is a little bit better if that game he kept on going with CJ. The Eagles would a lost it. They just ran out of time that was bizarre the e there was two things that were. In. The game was the eagles basically going to like very soft prevent with three and a half four minutes left. It's like this is still to score game and. Watch correcting you would. Thirty hours of sleep fucking showboating in everyone's face. Thirty oversleeping. 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Niner Nate-tion:  Where do the 49ers go from here with SI's Leo Luna

Niners Nation

47:51 min | 5 months ago

Niner Nate-tion: Where do the 49ers go from here with SI's Leo Luna

"The home fans hello and welcome to the niners nation. Podcast and this week the hype train decides to take a screeching halt With me this week is leila luna of sports illustrated. How are you doing man. I'm doing okay. I would have been doing better if the train didn't come to a stop but with all that said i appreciate you bringing once again absolutely i. It was either by myself or bring you on to kind of have someone like bouncing ideas off of just because you know. You're the only person who had had on. This show has been As positive as me with with a lot of the stuff that was going on with the swagger coming back and you know we felt really good going into the seahawks game and it just the injuries and just jimmy g. finally rearing his ugly head that you know he is who he thought he was real. Quick let's get into a quick. Nfc each west check in seattle knocked off san francisco thirty seven to twenty seven to move to six and one in the division. The arizona cardinals had the week off so they didn't play. They'll play the vaunted miami dolphins defense who knocked off the la rams seventeen twenty eight. And it's looking like miami's just gonna knock everybody except for seattle in just defense is apparently the best in the league which is crazy but i the in the morning. I was thankful the rams loss then as the day went on i wasn't because seattle has a pretty big lead especially if arizona falls next week in and seattle beat the bills but we have a trade nine orlando this week that we could talk about a little bit. cohen alexander was traded to the volcano. The new orleans saints for kiko alonzo and a conditional fifth round pick and real quick before we talk about this. I'm pretty sure this was just a cap thing. I don't think they are sellers quite yet. I mean what do you think i think there. I wouldn't say the word sellers quite at that point. Because i think with the amount of injuries that have gone with his team they've been kind of having to maneuver any type of money financially. To make these practice squad players onto the active roster for instance kevin white. The max you could be called up onto the active roster from the practice squad is twice. They already done that with. Kevin white already Do time so they're going to bring him on again. They're going to have to sign up to the active roster and at this point before the coin alexander trade they were down to pennies and nickels So you had to make that happen in order to continue the rest of the season to have the correct amount of players on the field on sunday. So i think that's where it came down to issues. And plus he's not a guy that they were gonna have around twenty twenty just because of what his cap number was going to be an how ascending drake greenlaw has been for this events. So with that being said it's the in order to continue the season. They had to move kwan alexander and i believe that they could still make some more financial moves. I wouldn't say seller moves but financial moves. I doubt Cards in return to the team next year. So he someone that they could possibly shift up. I know there's a couple Excuse me afc north team such as baltimore and cleveland. That may be looking for safety. Helped so i would expect tartu probably beyond the move. We'll see what happens with that. And i think that's smart. I think the niners have something in To various more and i think that he could be the safety of the future and i think that he's cheap and he's in that position where they won't need they're not gonna they're not gonna pay jakubowski tired anyway and i think that while marcel harris has been kind of a problem i still think he's probably decent enough that they can move and make him the starting safety next year. Like there's a lot of things they can do. The one thing that we've talked on this show specifically lot is that this team's debt is so good and that that's why they were able to compete this long despite being the most injured team in the nfl and now the depth is showing up in ways. Where we're gonna see next year where they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna cut some of these guys and so i have a quick list of guys wanna talk to you about before we start breaking down the seahawks game. What went wrong and how they lost to a team. That i clearly better than i think we both did Specifically do think these guys have played their final snaps. Ask forty niners D ford possibly I think retirement could be a possibility with the ford. He's already got his. He's got his money essentially in the nfl being a first round. Pick in getting a contract after that second contract in the nfl. So he's got a lot of guarantees so possibly. Yeah i'm in okay. I think if he doesn't play this season yes for sure 'cause they would cut him. I don't think they would keep him around. I just don't think they wanna spend that kind of money on a pass rusher right now when you know eventually you're gonna pay bosa and they didn't wanna pay it on buckner. I don't think that team needs d ford to be great when both the comes back because both is that good but Next guy richard sherman. Yes yet the way. Moseley aunt of right are playing right now. Reds playing like an old pro and moseley's playing like an up and coming player mostly not an all pro level of. We saw that with detained class. What he did to him on sunday mo- mostly played great. There's nothing more he can do. But he's not an all pro corner but he's definitely a quality star in the league so with that being said there's no reason restroom in back the guys thirty two years old on a krahn contract year and he's probably not someone you're bringing back anyways so sherman's a smart guy financially. He's probably like hey. I'm going to save my body for mindset contract. Do you think they'll pay for at the offseason know if he stays healthy. It looks like he's probably the best corner on that teams. Had and i think probably ten years at this point like greg. Sherman was good last year. He's not as good as varieties right now. Right i think they will. Because i don't think his price tags going to be that high considering his injury history young. So i believe you. You'll probably max out at around ten million per year. So i would fully expect him back at this point since he is a couple years younger than sherman as well. Absolutely what he's done has been amazing. All right next guy's western rich berg absolutely There there's no reason for them to bring him back at at least with next year and with this medical staff. It seems like everybody is taking a step back in their progress of being on the field. Independent where the forty niners are at week. Twelve week thirteen. They just might say hey. Save your body so that you could get another contract in the nfl. Because we're probably move on from your hefty cap it in twenty twenty one. Well i think. I think garland and raw sewer decent enough centers. I think maybe you could. You could upgrade that position. But you don't need to spend that kind of money do and if you do bring him back or unit cut because if you bring them on from from the inactive list you're going to have to get somebody. Yeah yeah i i think that they probably i don't think they play again. I got two more for you. Tevin coleman i think you'll be back. He's just one of those shanahan guys that find a way And it seems like his injury wasn't too severe to where. Hey maybe we see him again in a couple of weeks. But i wouldn't say he's gone for the season all right and then the final one jimmy garoppolo saw from my Man this is tough. Because he's a guy that i really really wanted to be great for the niners. I wanted him to be the guy so bad. Not because we had experienced the as the sean hills of our lifetime but because he looked like the guy. And i just don't see it happening. I do see the team. It looks like a divorce waiting to happen. What i kinda relate this to is when you're watching a tv sitcom and it's and it's a drama where the parents are going to split up and the kids are hoping they're going to stay together. The parents in that term is jimmy. Garoppolo in cal- shanahan. The parents look like they're gonna split up. The kids and the family goes out and has rate hud family. Go watch the movie. Eat dinner repeated. Like hey rams. The kids r us. The kids are forty niner fan. So the kids are like. Hey maybe this hand last. Maybe they can't stay together and then all of a sudden you get home. They're still sleeping in separate beds So that's what. I relate this to its. It's stint to be calm separate at a certain point. And according to his timeline. It's six weeks. Possibly so that means he'll be back for the final two games to undertake seattle again. There's no there's no reason to bring them back at that point especially depending on the position the forty niners in if the forty niners are in a position to where they might be in the playoffs. That means nick mullins is played his off. So let's go ahead continue him. Maybe he could be a stopgap for the next guy unless the thing is like i love jimmy and i wanted to be great but i think yesterday getting into the seahawks game. He was the reason the niners losses game. I think that the defense played well enough. I think shannon did a little weird cute stuff. But at the same time i think that garoppolos inability to get the ball downfield when guys are wide open. And there's so many times where i've seen just clips that were actually on the game during the tv tv broadcasts. Not all twenty. Two were wide open. Kills wide open usually wide open. And we're playing the worst secondary in the entire. Nfl it's not even close. How bad they are. And we're not pushing the ball down the field and it's not that shannon has not trying because guys are open. Jimmy garoppolo's has no ability to throw the ball downfield or he's afraid to throw the ball downfield which leads to him getting sacked and not throwing. I mean he's scared in the pocket and the thing is is maybe. It is the ankle injury but at this point. It's like we've given him so many chances and the six week thing. It just feels like it's finally done. And i feel like if jimmy garoppolo plays some semblance of decent football. The niners win this game. Yeah you allowed. The seahawks scored thirty seven points. But you also had a terrible interception straight to dj read. Who knows you better than any of the players know you which that is still blows my mind how. The seahawks got dj read. And now he's playing and we couldn't have on our roster and we played frigging brian allen over the it blows my mind. Read is a seok now. And he's starting for them and it pisses me off. But anyways and that's the thing is and then dante pettis that guy. I like. that guy has the worst luck out of any guy i've ever seen like. He just got killed on a on a kick. Return fumbled the ball and the seahawks. Get on the twenty yard line. You have the seahawks the bond between yard line. They're going to score because they've russell freaking wilson. The niners didn't do enough on offense to keep them in this game. If the niners play some semblance of decent football they played the last two weeks there in this game into the end. I'm the seahawks. Aren't blowing them out like they did. Because you're still you're scoring some sort of points you know you you have to score points dementia. The they're going to score. That's just who they are. Yes the defense had a couple of times where mostly just got beat by metcalf but they play decent enough on defense to win to be in this game. Garoppolo wasn't a factor. And from the minute that garoppolo through that pick it changed completely into a completely different game or garoppolo had no chance of getting the ball downfield. And when they finally moved the mullins lo and behold the bogus moved downfield and. I don't think nick mullins. I don't think he's good but it got the ball downfield on the worse secondary in the nfl. and so. I really think that that's what's going to happen. Here is mons is going to be the guy going forward. is he the guy permanently. No i think that moans is the quarterback when when when they cut jimmy garoppolo at the end of the season or whatever they do with them. Mullins will be the the kirby one on the roster. But i think that at the same time there is a chance they bring garoppolo back next year. And they draft zach wilson mack jones. You know trae lance. You know some short kyle. Trask some guy who is the next guy and you bring in a garoppolo. Ramones to be the starter. What do you think of that that. I think that's fair and just really quick to touch on jimmy. Garoppolo is something that i've noticed is the word on garoppolo. Is he such a team guy. He's one of the guys and when garoppolo has his best games. The run game is outstanding so when the run game is outstanding. Guess what. The offense blinds. Smiling george kittle. Yelling run it again. Everybody is happy. And when everybody's happy jimmy. Garoppolo was happy showing his chin line smiling ear to ear. And when you have a game like this where the run games not working dolphins smiling. The offense aligns not smiling. George kills not smiling. George kittle smiling while then jimmy garoppolo not smiling and now. He's struggling with confidence and when he struggling with confidence. The ball's not getting down on field on time to open receivers is interception to. Dj read was late and he was super behind. George kittle war. George kittle fell down trying to get backtracked to the football. And then with nick mullins. I don't think he's the guy as well. He is not the franchise quarterback. He could be a stop. Stopgap quarterback for sure absolutely is one of the best. Backups in the nfl and seattle wasn't playing in prevent defense. They were still blitzing. They've literally called a timeout down to stop the forty niners from scoring and then the forty niners still score after they converted that fourth now so as far as the rookie is i just want to prepare everybody. Because i'm going to go back to twenty seventeen. That's john lynch. Is i draft. Call shanahan's for strap twenty seventeen. Everybody wanted the shawn watson. Jamal adams those were the two hot names. Forty niners took. Solomon thomas two thousand eighteen. Everybody wanted mak- fitzpatrick and train on ed mertz. Those were the two hot names. They took mike mcglinchey twenty nineteen. It was obviously bosa light. There is no way they were going anywhere else from that. Two thousand twenty once again. The hot name ceedee lamb jerry jeudy because everybody knew they were taking a wide receiver. They didn't do that. They took brandon. Which i like brennan i and kill him. Okay with everybody kinlaw. Kinlaw was the best defensive line as well as kinlaw so they passed up on where everybody was expecting them to take so right now for the people that are saying. Hey they're gonna get free lance. They're gonna get zack. Wilson other slow it down because you know what alshon has probably gonna take max jones. I like these on the history. I mack jones. And so here's my thing with this is is talk a little bit about this. Obviously because i think. I think that the season ended this morning when we got the injury report. That kid was out for eight weeks. And jimmy garoppolo's out for six weeks and i like melons and i think he'll probably they'll probably be green bay on thursday. That's running a really talk about this green bay game because i think they're going to go into that green bay game and shange is going to the ball. I'm they're gonna kill him with hasty and it'll be fun and we'll have a great time but at the same time there's something we need to continue to think about. Is that the only two games that the niners will probably win. Going forward after green bay are the washington football team and the dallas cowboys. So say they'd be green bay just saying they lose to green bay right that puts them at six wins on the season. Six and ten. The nfl is on a on a collision course with maybe one of the worst seasons in the history of the nfl. There's so many bad teams. And there's so. Many bad teams need quarterbacks and greg. Maybe they won't all draft quarterbacks. The giants might not draft a quarterback daniel jones or more year. The vikings might keep kirk cousins for some stupid reason. That's a chance but jacksonville's done with minhsiu. It's looking like the jets are done with sam. Darnold i mean maybe. They fired him as the coach. Like no sam darnold's my guy and then lawrence is going to the jacksonville jaguars which i wanna go there. Either but the point is is like there's things that can happen. That could drop. Could drop amac jones. Or zack wilson. To the forty nine. But you're looking at probably picking fifteen sixteen seventeen six wins most likely. And there's so many quarterback needed teams. I don't think you're going to get a quarterback unless you trade down so then the question comes down to is. Do you want to trade down for your eye or do you want to look at sam. Darnold when he gets. You know. Trade for sam darnold from the jets are trade for aaron rodgers when they finally give jordan. Love the jobber. You matt ryan. Atlanta falcons move on from him because they are going to pick low granted. They won this week. But they're still gonna pick pretty low. There's so many bad teams. What do you think is the best bet here. Do you think it's to hope that. You get a quarterback in this draft and make nick mones a starter and eventually nick moles loses the job to a mac. Joan zack wilson. Whoever that they end up drafting or do you go with the shirt thing. Where you take a mack matt ryan and aaron rogers or sam darnold and you make starting quarterback of the forty niners for the twenty twenty one season from the shanahan's history. Believe you rather go with a veteran quarterback not have to groom someone not to them how to figure out the reads because after dealing with jimmy garoppolo these past two years you could tell kyle jahan's frustrated and it seems like the last thing he wants to do is teach a rookie from day. One that he would rather go with the wise bet like matthew stafford. That's someone who. I would love to see play with paul shanahan with these wide. Receivers throwing the ball deep to brandon iu. He's doing it over there with marvin jones and kenny. Golladay the past. Few years. And i believe brandon. You could be kenny. Golladay like receiver. Just a little shorter by his arm. Length makes up for that quite a bit. Are you answer and with the lions. They may just want to start fresh because they're not gonna make the playoffs. they're gonna fire matt patricia. And they're gonna they may just start over and say. Hey we don't wanna pay matthew stafford this amount of money. We want a rookie contract and then build the team from there So he's someone that i truly believe could be available and that's who i believe shanahan would want because he's someone that is athletic enough he's not gonna go bust out of thirty yard. Run is just not going to happen but can he booted out to the right. Can he booted out to the left. This is kenny. throw deep. can he keep this corazon past game and not be mad about. It isn't be someone if he threw eight asses in the nfc championship game east. He will be like jimmy garoppolo and be happy because matthew stafford has as zero playoff wins in his entire career because he was with the detroit lions so he's someone that would be ecstatic having a balanced offense as long as they're winning football That that's who. I would want a matthew stafford now so much older. He's not athletic at his age. Now compared to matthew stafford aaron rodgers. i think they keep onto him one more year. I don't see him being available. A trade or free agency if they say. Hey we're gonna pay you respect and we're gonna let you decide where you wanna go and how much you wanna make that other team. So i believe it's either matthew stafford who i would want as far as available better not jameis winston I'm tired of hearing that name Matthew matt ryan could be an option but not really because he would be tied into a bunch of dead cap for the atlanta falcons. And they're not going to eat that up so it's really matthew stafford or mack jones at this point like who you want. Sam darnold lead with the thing. Everyone keeps talking about the jets moving on from sam darnold and making trevor lawrence the guy and i think that that's a great move. I think. Trevor lawrence is a once in a lifetime type of quarterback but the thing is is like. Here's the one thing about the sam darnold. Sam darnold looked like he had a dear dear and his headlights. Look the last two years really yes. He has gays and the thing is like tannahill left. Adam gaze goes at tennessee. And he's not a star but he's an above average quarterback and i think that's all the niners really need. You don't need the elite guy. Like yes sure i would love for them to. Groom zack wilson. And he turns out to be phenomenal quarterback. Who was the guy at the future as the next patrick mahomes and you know whatever happens there you know. He turns into russell's an i don't know but with darnold if he moves from-from from adam gates and comes with shanahan and does what the what the tannahill factor was. There's some times where tannehill throw. Some amazing throws tannehill is just like your holy crap. That's that's that's ryan tannehill and you're you're blown away and if donald can do that and then come to shannon like i think that would be a dream. Come true for sam darnold. Promise what would you have to give up about it. I think that rosen was given up. They got a second round. pick for. Rosen but rosen was only a year into the league. Donald's been in for three. He's never really looked great. Like the first year he has some splashes but then the second year of deer in the headlights this year. He's been injured at an on the worst team. The nfl teams on is garbage. But he did have that one focused the forty niners i in that game in the garbage time where it was like. No sam darnold still has something. So would you want. Sam darnold if he became available. Do you think shanahan in the front office would go first. Sam darnold absolutely not and let me tell you why is it. Seems like there's off. Would sam darnold every year whether he gets hurt or he gets motto. Whatever it is there something causing him to miss gangs. And i think the fact you bring up hill is fantastic. Because i'm gonna say this if darnold goes and has a great season under shanahan now some be one year and then after that one year has great year. It's tannehill all over again is in a what thirty million dollars if you don't pay him thirty million dollars now he's in a move on elsewhere So you kind of tie your hands. What do you give up a third round pick. Now you're paying your third round. 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What thing about college quarterbacks is like do they come in their first and second year. Just kill it. It's usually that third year where they're really good. Joe burrow joe burrow with lsu for a year before he won the heisman and won the national championship and joe burrow. Looks like the guy out in cincinnati. They took care of the titans and made it look pretty easy and the thing is like. That's a good titans team. That really beat the best team in the nfl in the steelers and so bro. Showing that he has that ability. And it feels like from what i've seen from zack. Wilson he's evolved. His game granted he plays. Byu in they're not playing great football teams this boroughs point for lsu playing top teams and playing alabama and the national championship in absolutely blowing them out. So there's still more to see and we still have a half a college season to see these guys. But i think you're right. I think mack jones is is totally were they would go if they were gonna take a guy and i think you would make either garoppolo or mullins the starter for six games and bring that guy in about halfway through the season kinda like what happened with to a as long as nobody's lung gets punctured right so with mcdonalds real quick. Why kim so much is because he reminds me of kirk cousins watching his tape But he's kirk cousins with an actual upside kirk. Cousins struggled in the big games even at michigan state. It's not just something that happened in the nfl. Two thousand eleven capital one bowl. They got killed by alabama forty nine seven cousins through fifty five percent zero touchdowns one interceptions the next year or two thousand twelve actually won the orange bowl but that wasn't because occurred cousins. He was fifty four percent one touchdown three interceptions against georgia so he still struggled in that market games. The differences with jones's he's out slinging. These big marquee games says Few weeks ago against georgia. He won that game on his arm. Not he didn't have a lady on bell. Ah by his side like her coming wild. Let's let's let's let's none. Yes absolutely but watching those passes they were on a rope and it was a dime to jamie while not as well so it wasn't just something that waddell had to adjust to As well as matt jones he has zero games under sixty percent in his college career. seventy two percent thirty one touchdown spivey interceptions. He's tough and he could throw the ball off balance about forty to fifty yards on a rope. I i think the best chance for this team to continue to be competitive and be a long-term factor on defense which it seems like the niners are going to be a defensive team with the bosa kinlaw. Armstead tanum avenue. And don't get me wrong. They're still dj jones. They're still kevin givens. They're still ronald blair. And i don't know if those guys are are dump. The thing is this team's defensive line is going to be their strength always because they're so talented at that position which then then you go to the fact that they have all pro fred best linebacker in the nfl and you still have greenlaw. Who grandma gets better. It feels like every week and it was obvious that they like greenland co on. And then you go to the corner position. I think you're going to draft another corner. I absolutely but if you pay give him some money and most of your guys. I think that's a good tan. Them and i think they might have something with the marcel harris various more Situation safety yes. The depth is going to take hits because you cannot have the kind of depth they have and not seek salary hits You know and without taking some some money cut but this is going to be dominant on defense or talented at least on defense even with but the thing was like even with these injuries. This team allowed russell wilson to only throw for two hundred and forty nine yards. That's the best offense in the nfl and you'll only let them for forty nine yards and granted. They were running the ball because they were trying to kill clock or whatever but and you gave them a lot of short fields but this defense was up to the task that it was metcalf who seemed to be the one thing that they couldn't figure out. They held it pretty well actually lock. It didn't do a whole lot. And they got beat a couple times by more but this the seahawks offense did not come out and just trouser might away. The defense kept them. In check for a good amount of that game before grapples inability to do anything. Really shut it down but my point is is that the defense is going to be there. This is who this team is going to be there. They have they have deebo. They have the best freaking tight end in the nfl. And i think we're most is now running back one and a top ten. I don't want to say top five. Because i'm gonna piss people off but i think most of the special. I think they've figured out be most where he's going to be a great running back going forward. You need a quarterback. I think this is the biggest factor we found from this game specifically. Is that with a quarterback. The forty niners would win this division and they'd win it easily even with the injuries because they're coach by caution and if they had not even an i think it's above average they've had below average quarterbacking all season. There's never been a game where jimmy garoppolo played above average quarterbacking all season and yeah sure but patrick hoses through five touchdowns on the jets and jets was two quarters was in full game. Yeah exactly that's the thing is we haven't had above average backing all season if we just get above average core batting with this team the way they're built and the talent they have. They're they're still the most injured team. Afl they still probably be what i would say. They're probably five and one that's fair to say the one time they did get a average game. Was nick mullins against the giants. Six into sars what we go. Yeah a yeah. Nick mones the giants and said and that was because nick mullins was just on one day and so the thing is like they're six and two right now and i think that they beat the seahawks because the seahawks. We're not didn't do anything crazy on defense. That was that a goud above average quarterback could could couldn't overcome and so they're six two right. now you know maybe they drop one. They shouldn't drop. Maybe they still lose that cardinals game because they weren't ready for the season. Whatever the biggest problem the san francisco forty niners have right now number one and number two. I think our quarterback number one hundred percent. And i think that it's gonna suck we're going to have to develop a guy all over again but i think that's the best chance for you not to have to spend a sh- a ton of money on the quarterback position and then the offensive line. I think is a problem. So i think mike mcglinchey i just don't see it. We can we are. Are you seeing the stuff from the line that i think. A lot of people are starting to feel like that. Like trent williams is the only good lineman on the whole team. Yeah he. he's the only complete lineman on the team. Lincoln tomlinson can run block. Mike mcglinchey could run block Front scale can a bit If it's outside now between the tackles two yeah. It's that's his son But with mcglinchey he can't pass protect. he can't do it it's so bad. I think he got pancaked by. Dj read a little bit. It yet helped from bobby wagner but even help from bobby wagner. there's no reason for dj rita. Put you on. But and that's what we're seeing from mcglinchey and i don't see how this team gives him a fifth year option at the end of this year and if they do it's strictly politics because he sounds like a presidential candidate in the locker. Yeah and that's that's the one fact that scares me going into this draft right and like i feel like it's weird because we're halfway through the season but like this is kind of the suffolk sir. Talking about with the the nature of the season and the fact that the has suffered injuries. Worse than i think any team has suffered in recent memory like this has been insane and see if to start thinking about what you do going forward and. I think that i'm worried. They'll go linemen in the first round instead of taking a mac jones. Or zack wilson. And they'll go with some older guy. I think that the future of this team is sir Kind of similar to what happened with cheese. I think you have to get a guy who you're going to make the future of the niners. Zack wilson mack. Jones trae lance whatever. They're going to sit behind someone. I don't think you need to sip the whole season like patrick. Mahomes it behind alex smith. I think they need to sit at least to a bye week. That's week six weeks seven and then you put them in there you. You're putting them in there with our towns the defense because the niners are as long as nick bosa and kinlaw and armstead and fred warner and beretta healthy. You're going to have a town defense. No matter who you are and you have to hope that your offense of line holds up. But i think if you have a decent quarterback who can manipulate a pocket in get outside can do more than jimmy garoppolo doing which is standing there and having happy that i think he's going to be groomed for success. Because you'll have time to learn shanahan playbook and then think about the money you save on the five years with a fifth year option obviously on a quarterback. That amount of money allows you to bolster your defense. Bolster your line through free agency. Do you know get another line. Get another wide receiver in there to help you can deebo. You know there's things they can do by. Not going out and getting matt ryan or matthew stafford or even darnold just any of those guys. Yeah and i think were people under a Estimate mahomes is the chiefs. Defense is pretty good so he has a pretty good defense tobacco up now. Imagine these young guys are having success. very early. imaginative herber had defense. It'd be over five hundred. A borough had a defense. They'll be over five hundred to a has a defense through for under a hundred yards and they want a football game against the talented ramstein And if you bring in a young rookie onto the forty niners guess what. You're giving him. Kittle you're giving him i you. You're giving him deebo. Giving him most are easing the have talent around him with a dominant top ten defense. You're assuming both comes back next year as well as the other injured guys so the success will be there and a rookie. Couldn't win week. One for the forty niners next year a totally. And that's the thing is you know. Where do we go from here. Now i think the niner fans you have to be realistic going forward. You're not gonna win a lot of football games without your number one tight end without your number one quarterback without you have twenty two guys on. I are like since this is insane. And that's it. it's it's really bad. And that's why. I say the hype train is incomplete. Stop because i feel like the hype. Train is just chain this hype. Train the twenty twenty hype train. It stops but the twenty. Twenty one hype. Train is something we have to start thinking about you know. I'm not saying actively. Watch the games and rooted against them. That's what i'm saying. Look for great things. Like young player stepping up mullin's looking like he's d got some decent quarterback plan him learning the game better different things like that but in an ideal world. The don't win another game and they have four wins at the end of the season right now. I think because you really want to have that quarterback of the future with that stack defense because garoppolo was handed defense. Last year went to the super bowl. They have a guy who has an above alledged average talent can throw. The ball has a hose. They could win the super bowl and do and do no problems. Because seattle's not going to have a defense anytime soon. Arizona's probably gonna be have is gonna is gonna continue to get better and los angeles is kind of in this weird purgatory where i don't even know what jared goff is anymore their defense besides aaron donald and jalen ramsey is just awful like you can totally run this division next year not this year and so the final question. Getting at the end of this is like where do you think we go from here. What do you think that they do for the rest of the season. I i look at it is losing all that seven seat is going to be the chicago bears and i look at the chicago. Bears schedule is not good but they have five wins currently and the remaining part of their schedule is they have the vikings weiss and then you look at. They have the lions stink. They have the texans. They have absolutely no defense. So they're gonna let shawn watson down like every other week then they have the jaguars who are tanking for draft pick So the bears realistically in end up. Probably with nine wins minimum. So the forty niners gotta be at least ten wins or else they're gonna most likely lose the tiebreaker there because they're in the toughest division possible and that's going to be the tiebreakers the vision divisional record and while i just listed the teams the bears out of the forty niners. They have a redskins cowboys. The ones they could win because the packers game is still going to be tough. Because you've got to run the ball and running hard to beat the packers while for nicest lost george kittle. Who's their best run blocker outside of the offense line. He's pretty much an extended tackle in the run game. Now he's running back. Michael hasty to exactly so you don't have moster and who knows most can come back in in two weeks but it could also be sees me in after this packers game but it could be longer than that depending on how he feels and depending on where the forty niners are at if they win this game or not against the packers and so bears say. The bears ended nine as i'm forty nine. It's gotta be tendency. That means i gotta go six two over this final stretch which is going to be very very difficult to do Where did they go from here. I think they just play the young guys. Not try to rush anybody back. Let them get healthy and see what you have with these younger for various more. See what you have with marcel. Harrah's maybe have them play against better quarterbacks not cam newton in and the patriots Hopefully ronald bear blair back to help with that. Pass rush because this is one game in a long time. I didn't see really russell's in having a scramble do some backyard plays. It was just like okay. I'm gonna sit sit. Sit receivers are going to get open. And that's exactly what happened. So maybe bring some. But i think you've got gotta let the young guys play. See what jordan willis. Has you just gave up a future. Six round paper him. Yeah you did get seven this year return but that's not much not see what he has. Maybe you can find his way on the team. Next next year Hopefully javon kinlaw keeps accelerating his progress that he has been so far. I think it's you gotta get the young guys a chance Maybe now that rob not so much of a deep all passer. Maybe you could insert dante pettis again. Because he and mullins did have some subset success in his rookie year. Where he put up five hundred yards five touchdowns in the season Maybe you could bring some juice. Back into that and rebuild his history market because shannon obviously doesn't want him going forward but it's just assessing where your team at Outside of the the bosa outside of the warners outside of the garoppolos outside of the kid will seem where everybody else's at. That's where we go from here. Yeah i think that that if they only win those two games the washington football team in the dallas cowboys. I mean six. Winds should still get you a decent draft pick instill Could could get you a mac jones if you you know an even maybe zack. Wilson betrayed down. The problem is there's so many new teams and it's gonna come down to shannon lynch making a decision like nothing we say on podcast produced on any website is going to have any say in what john lynch or kyle shanahan. Do you know. We hope to god that that. Zack wilson or mack. Jones is the forty niners quarterback mixture. And they're just. I mean just like we've talked about the events that they're going to be given is going to be. It's still gonna be good and they're going to be successful. Just comes down to learn shannon system and being good being better than what jimmy garoppolo was giving us which was below average quarterback play and it seems like this is a great quarterback class to get a guy to be your future where you can continue to compete. I mean shannon lynch are together for the next six years unless jedrick does something stupid gave them their quarterback of the future. Get them their guy and let's go compete in two thousand twenty one. Let's watch the games every week and route on our eyes and see what they can do and hope they can continue to get better every single week but in reality this season when nick bosa got hurt was pretty close loss. They came out. They showed some fight. They look decent. And then you know this seahawks game. The wheels fell off. the injuries. finally killed them. You know when you're this injured. Your quarterback has to be pretty good for you to win games against teams that are probably contending for the super bowl. Or you know just it just play often general and the quarterback has never been there and that's the thing they need to fix going forward absolutely Just to re touch on the defense. It's they gave up. Thirteen points at the half. They forced to three and outs of the second. Drive of the game they force they gave up a first down in enforce apply immediately after on the offense didn't end of the bargain and neither did dante pettis kickoff return. Help fumbled So this defense is still good. I don't want people to look at the box score and say. Dan gave up thirty seven points. This defense is not that good as we thought. We're back to two thousand seventeen forty niner football. No that's not the case there's still pretty darn good But they jimmy garoppolo cost twenty seven million dollars next year is at twenty six point nine on up twenty seven and what he's giving you with a much lower cap space that is gonna be on further twenty twenty one season. You just can't afford to do that. You can't afford to go another year with jimmy garoppolo playing horizontal football not not doing much vertically Passing a guy for three yards. Hope he gets ten unita. Just go out get a rookie on a cheap deal. And then you could afford maybe bringing back a kerry hyder with jason With may be target. They want to bring him back as well. You just have more cat flexibility at that point and mullins isn't going to cost you anything if you make a. Qb one best thing if you wanna make a qb one. Until zack wilson mack jones. Trae lands whatever's ready. Then that's fine. And i think that's what they should do going forward. It feels weird that we're talking about this in october next november. Now but i mean that's just kind of the situation in this this weird twenty twenty season that curse season is brought in. So you know it's it sucks. It sucks me and to have this conversation today. But you know going forward like it's going to give us more to talk about. We can talk more about mack. Jones zack wilson. And see you know where where these guys ended up where you know. The draft position is going to change a lot. There's still eight games left. Anything can happen. But i just don't think the forty niners are going to contend for the playoffs this year. I do not think they're going to be able to do what we all hope they did. But it's not i mean. Some of it is their fault. Yeah but these injuries are insane. Like this is cool razi. This is not normal manner fans and so with that. I'm going to retire. The no more interest moniker at the end of the show every week. Just because i think the only thing we didn't really say is get healthy soon niners because this is this is crazy. It's just insane. If they want to check out your stuff. Leo so you could go ahead and find me out. Sports illustrated all forty niners As well as on twitter at leona ninety three sweet and he has he had he had some great I felt like when this all went down yesterday. Some of the stuff you were saying was really interesting and everyone kind of like a lot of niners footage just jumped on. You know this immediate thing like garoppolo isn't the guy and some of the stuff you're talking about like you know. Maybe he's not but you know if he's not injured you know maybe give them and if it wasn't six weeks say yeah let's give him another shot. Let's give them a chance but at six weeks. There's just no point because he's gonna play arizona and seattle after coming back from injury. And i just don't think those are the teams you wanted to play because those teams are going to be playoff teams and one of those teams is going to win the nfc west and it just doesn't seem like that this is this garoppolos place in where he's going to be. I have friends who are like. You'll never play in this league in new england. Yeah that's where i think too but we'll see what bill belichick you know he. He came out today and so they didn't have enough money to pay anybody. That's why they played cam so he's he's kinda fallen off there too but that's beside the point. Thanks for listening guys sorry. This wasn't happy. Losing to the seahawks stinks. But you know there's not much you can do in your this injured and the quarterback play has just been abysmal. He said this whole show and they gotta get going forward and Beat the packers yet will soon niners and we'll see you next week.

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Mulling It Over

Highly Questionable

21:18 min | 2 years ago

Mulling It Over

"Hello and welcome to highly questionable this person right here. She claims she will not be gotten by Bobby on the fake handshake today. That's a kind. What do you like on the show today? Meena not gonna get me in this week. Scratch my face Meena just said she is not given any consideration. To what the joke is gonna look like on television. Little is in the meal is officially over. And he continues to call him Ulan. Even though it is Mullins. I was a dreadful game last night between two very broken teams. But what I took from it as I have throughout Kyle Shanahan tenure in San Francisco is this guy is an absolute quarterback whisper. He did it for Matt Ryan who hasn't looked the same since this guy left aside and Bill Belichick trade in Jimmy Garoppolo there for less than what he could have gotten because he wanted this guy and say fans if there is an heir to the Bella check thrown it's gonna look like someone like this guy someone who can make any quarterback. Look competent those two interceptions last night. Those weren't even his fault necessarily it's possible that we may have over hyped Nick Mullins after facing the raiders that defenses like quarterback PD's, which isn't to say he was terrible last night. He was pretty solid. He missed a few throws. He hold onto the ball a little bit too long, but he's an undrafted quarterback. And that was his second game. Playing next to an undrafted running back throwing a bunch of late round receivers if I'm Niners fan, I'm thrilled with the offense. It's the defense which is loaded with a bunch of first round draft picks that's been disappointing. But Nick Mones I expect to see him a lot between now and the end of the season and the next year I expect to see him in Tampa Bay Jacksonville. The big Draymond green. And Kevin Durant where bickering on the bench last night, Shaun Livingston said it was team spirit and this team win so much is so bored by winning when they lose they have to have something that's a little bit combustible. So you get Draymond green. Who knows himself? Well, enough to say that when boogie cousins arrived there there was going to become flicked because Draymond green goes looking for motion conflict, and there he is voice of reason. Peacemaker boogie cousins dragging dream on green away from Kevin Durant. I love this though mean it shows that they care in the middle of the season. Is it a big deal? No, they didn't joy Steve Kerr saying after the game that Durant had to stay on a little longer despite being foul trouble. Because the words were quote a little short handed without Steph describing the warriors as being short handed when they got forbid they have to play with four superstars instead of five is like complaining about running out of champagne on a yacht. It's the old. First world problem. I will say this though, while they should still be able to win games without Steph. It's obvious that his absence does create some problems, mentally, right? Because he might not be the best player on the team. But he's obviously the emotional core. And one gets the sense that if he wasn't there you'd see little squabbles. Like this a little bit more often. Didn't mean a really try and do quote marks with tape on her hands while saying shorthanded with no sense of irony when she couldn't reach higher to make the quote marks where they should be which is a year round. You better be careful because Draymond got a quick move with his leg. You know? You can get you. You know, where you're going to jump. You know, where if you didn't know where the junk. How worried should seventy six to be about Marco FOX shouldn't trope. I am really concerned about the way my father pronounces that last name on television. This made me cringe last night. Philadelphia hands Miami, its third straight home laws and Marquel. Foltz guy that we have wondered whether he is short circuiting little bit with his shooting says he just slipped here may not says he just slipped, but I believe the worst. It's the one guy in the league who can't slip in that situation. Because not a lot of us have seen free throw that looks like that. So I was flying to Miami last night when I saw Foltz trending on Twitter in I instantly news something terrible at happen. It's like when you see an old person's name trending, and you assume who works, which is formerly Dirk analogy, but somehow not dark enough based on what I saw it was so bad that as soon as it happened. News broke that Marquel. Fullest, reportedly has not been working with his shooting coach for a while. Which basically. He means the shooting coach Saul this shot and wanted to distance himself from it as quickly as possible. Now, I don't know what it will take to fix Martell Foltz. But I imagine millions of people rubbernecking at him like a traffic accident is probably not helping it's one of the most vulnerable things you will ever see across sports. When a second basement forgets how to throw into first base a gopher gets the if you do not see this in basketball, but seeing a guy this mentally frail in front of a public that right now in social media's willing to mock, it makes you wonder what it does to his confidence because the free throw line is a place where you have time to think the other stuff is reflexive, I wanna cover my eyes. But I literally can't. Well, maybe he gets a little bit nervous. People are washing him. You know that won't be put on the G league when the greedy. Nobody wants to. NBA arenas. We're good. Do you feel badly for Nightline Peterman? You can make the argument then since the merger. There's never been a worst professional quarterback in the sport. Nobody who is paid for passes has the interception rate that this guy's got. If you look at the numbers Aaron Rodgers would have to throw on his next one thousand two hundred passes all interceptions to have the interception rate. That's two seasons full of every passive Aaron Rodgers being an interception to be as bad as this guy. You're allowed to laugh its worst in the history of the sport kinda bad for me. Nathan Peterman is sort of like the Marquel full shot of quarterbacks insofar as I'm kinda tired of making fun of him. It's not really funny anymore. And yes, he has been historically bad in deserves criticism. But the organization that put him in a position to fail over and over and over deserves far more scorn the same organization that Ben. Tyrod Taylor for him last year when the bills were making a playoff run the same organization that traded AJ McCarron before the season peterman's gone probably be back. But that organization is still in place. Think about what she's saying the bills made the playoffs for the first time in seventeen years last year their leadership decided that the quarterback who made them that kind of good should sit for Nathan Peterman. They had an ally though in two thousand seventeen you could go back and read the quotes, Jon Gruden was all in on this guy. Hugh Jackson, get a jump so quickly. Okay. In the division that birth the Rooney rule. You should be amazed that we have arrived in two thousand eighteen where it's the black guys who benefit from the old boys network. These guys go way back. So of course, Marvin Lewis would want his friend that inside if he's available because Marvin Lewis helped him a long time ago. And as an added bonus Cincinnati doesn't actually care about winning. They've proven by not paying anybody and just going in bare minimum that this is a business more than it is a competitive enterprise, that's how Marv Lewis Andy Dalton state employed without any playoff victories. So there are three possible explanations for this the normal brain take is that Jamie has wanted to bring his friend back into the full thing with Marvin Lewis, the big brain take is that defense in the NFL or so bad right now. That's not hey, let's bring in an offense guy, which actually not a terrible idea the galaxy brain take is that between now and the end of the season. Cincinnati is playing Cleveland twice. There is no one on earth. Who knows how to make the Browns lose like Hugh Jackson. He's done it for two and a half years. Why stop now a they beat their money. Hugh Jackson, get a job. You can get on there. That's I believe in you. Next highly questionable with maybe a fight. A you know, it was because of my daughter it was solely because my daughter got me into boxing. You know, she was born with spina bifida, and I was in college at the time and in listening to the doctors and all that it took the take care of child with spina bifida. I want to make no money in school myself. Stevie show's brought to you by charge. Three no yourself to improve yourself. Geico presents eyewitness interviews with inanimate objects. This is Belinda Collins live on the scene of a recent lightning storm here to describe the event a TV tray. I was watching football and holding a plate of Meatloaf win Cup. Bam a bolt of lightning slams into the apartment blowing out the TV and surround sound anything. You could have done to help my. I'm a foldable table not an electronic TV trae can help you in a lightning storm. But the co insurance agency can help you get covered for personal property damage. Go to Geico dot com to see how a Ford -able renter's insurance can be. Journey. No said, they may they the anti Semper. I Tyson fury pay per view. Let's check out this guy. He's a good talker. He does not like me to go. Get her out of here. Anywhere. Deontay before you got into boxing. You had some rough jobs. What was the worst of those jobs? The worst the worst of those jobs. I used to work for a Marseille's company that will different ports and stuff like that call three, and I think that was the worst job out of the ones that I had to pick up to support my daughter only for the simple fact that you know, I had to get on the Dali's and stuff like that in this facility at the time. You know, it was it was it was feel what we're polluted smoking. So you can have you can stand on one end of the bit and look down you see the environment polluted, and you know, on the dollars. You know, you had to the fort live. I was the fort live drive of. So I had to pick up the parts and stuff with cars. And I always have to rotate around rotate around, you know, and it was it was too much. You know, he's always making me sick. And in different things like that. So I had to get those about the that was about the only one. So what can you tell us about the days before fighting before you realize because you didn't. Fighting at the beginning. Right. Right, right. You know? I never look for trouble. Trouble always found me. You know? I was I was prone to fighting. You know, I wasn't no stranger to know fight. You know, I never shied away for no, no fight. But you'll correct. I've been like why? Because you know, it brought by Lee harm to people. I knew I was capable of doing even younger as you know, I've always was that that wild child that that you didn't want to mess with. So how many tests are you losing in your childhood? None, you know, there's a lot of people say on fifty and no. And I mean in the street wise and all this stuff. But you know, I can I can really say that, you know, undefeated, you know, in a positive in the negativism undefeated in a in a in a positive, I call it a negative since because you know, I wasn't getting no money for and it didn't it didn't benefit in my life. If anything it would it would have brought a lot of troubles my way with the positive, you know, I transferred transform that is almost like plan street back basketball and doing joining a tune, whether it's high school college, and you become organ, you play organized us while it was so the transformation to been a fighter and being able to help people to look up to me how people that I can motivate and come from the same place. I can't you know is a lift them to give them some type of direction. So I consider its positive. It's unusual that you would be this kind of undefeated this kind of brash. And I assume those things had. A lot of shaping you. Well, you know, it all plays a part. You know, anything you going your life? What is positive negative play support and in the fix your life? What made me a fight a, you know, it was because of my daughter it was solely because of my daughter got me into boxing. You know, she was born with spina bifida, and I was in college at the time and in listening to the doctors and all that it took the take care of child with spina bifida. I wanna to make no money at school. You know? So I had to stop and get a job, and that's all the multiples of jobs came about. Because I, you know, I told myself, I probably myself that I've never struggling like no matter how many jobs I had to to to get, you know, I've overcame all that, you know, a lot of stuff that I overcame, and I'm just glad to be here. But my daughter she was the true reason to it. I told her when she was one years old that I be a world champion not knowing that how would get there. What would be the plan on McGinn because boxing was new to me? I, you know, you're talking to a guy that even know about really about the Olympics. You know, I knew about Muhammad Ali and in just little stuff that they promoted about him. But I didn't really knew the two million about what what was the Olympics. And what was the purpose of it? How you got there, you know, being in June. We haven't a discussion in two thousand seven of how you make it to the lympics. But we knew one thing that we kept winning. We'll find out everything that we need to know. That's what we did. We kept winning. And here, I am big tough Deontay wilder. Everyone knows you are very good at what you do. And you your strong, man. But you go week when talking about fighting for your daughter, can you explain to us exactly how that came to be where you realize, oh, I've got to go earn this living for her with my hand. I mean, you know, is the saying that you don't know what love is until you have a child, you know, and engine that just that just the hammer on the nail right there. Because the love I have for my children is is ridiculous. I feel like I had them. I really feel like I have my shit. I feel like I'm the mother goose when it comes to my children. I don't play about when it comes to. You know, I feel that there be them being so young. I have the ability that we're still them whatever I want to and I chose to still in them love. I choose to still piece. I choose to steal in them to be able to love everyone, you know. And just love my kids is everything for me. Question broadcast from the land their hotel, south beach, Miami done to play the game, solemnly swear. Sub tuna good do you quest? You. Events question. Those hands. No you question if these these better prospect that my again that name is just so dangerous the front end the back end, please stop repeating. Let's check in with the pelicans. And the raptors last night the pelicans smoke, the raptors first home loss for the raptors Jada, and this Filipino basketball. Seconds ago. I said I was tired. I mean it went in right? Tough. What's tough? We had not letting song. Oh, wow. Lord. I didn't see that one. Having this. I wish that would be as I wish I had a proud father. Do you question? If these impressive pump return for a touchdown vision. Three football. Poppy had a big bet on this. This is a punt out of one of the end zones and a punt return for a touchdown. Is it valid? Snap and not very far. Oh, wait a minute. I have never seen that before hunter safety is. No that's a touchdown. Isn't it? He does -able the end zone. Touchdown punter safety. Hips, hit something I think it just spun back. It was just incompetence. That's it Mark that on a box score. Thought that you were supposed to be the football. She's got a podcast with their dog. Paul expertise the podcast. Today. Do you question? If these motorcycle legally driving, the car pool lane, I really don't feel like any show in the history of ESPN has covered motorcycles or carpool lanes better than this one. Ed, let's check out this motorcycle here. Is there? Maine is a sucker for God. Drive. The car cargo away. Those are good boys. Right there. Delays. Do. I question of. I mean, they could use helmets. Yes, unsafe. She does shit. Yeah. He found a way to question. The charming video. You know, those remind me if I know there's no, you know, very well that though. You know who that dog as good? Statue right now. This motion video. What an athlete. Is her dog team was complicit? He was complicit. He's admitted. Prove it wasn't Dr. Lenny. Again does. So one of them's kidneys in the black market. See? No, you tell us what to watch on television tonight that was a little jovial given the claim, no. In the Dominican Republic youth baseball. I don't want to over promise and under deliver. But I believe that these kids in the Dominican just produce the single greatest slide in the history of baseball, wait for it here. Stealing home situation. Yeah. Mazing kids must dream about that stuff. You gotta call him out there, though, he missed the plate. Gotta call them out. Doesn't matter. Maine, are you intrigue? Oh, she can't. Now. All right. Very good. Thank you. You went tree. Oh, see see ever Chica. You kidding me? The is they should sign that kit. You know, he could start these center fielder. Probably he's very cheap. You know? What I mean? That's what jitters fluky for cheap players. Doesn't matter. What you know? He fits. Views there, he does fit the Billy probably cheap. Streaming on animal planet intruders intruders, no explanation, just intruders. Okay. Under normal circumstances. You know want intruders, but what if you have to have in your house, you could just watch him on TV? Oh, yeah. This is a nightmare. Is there giant animal in their sneaking into acting? Actors little share. There is. This is this is part is we have Acton health right here. They took me to really process what was happening. Oh, I mean that is terrifying. Scales? I didn't wasn't sure what kind of stake. It was. No. He sounds twin. I snapped the picture. Tell but had her on the snake. It was a diamondback rattlesnake. I grabbed debris. That the Sikh. I'm just thinking. My wife's been been. I think all the other rattlesnakes were making fun of this guy when he kinda home from work man, Bob, you got that commercial in the toilet with a that reenactment meaner you intrigue. Yes snake comes in the middle of night. What is this the Lakers? Are you intrigue? Bob, y'all CDC intrigue. Listen how to see through Russia house in long long time. Finally, I get to see him coming out of a toilet. You know what I mean? Boy, drew. I miss you for many many many months now finally where you leave. That's only have to that. Thank you for Washington here. The rest of the week. We'll get her. Anyone anyone still hear someone on tape? Me know, poppy.

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Ep. 256: Shanahan is not to blame

Niners Nation

1:00:10 hr | 2 years ago

Ep. 256: Shanahan is not to blame

"What if all you're breaking news alerts had a voice what would that sound like it would sound like today? Explain its daily news podcast from vox. I'm Sean Ramos grim every day my team, and I take one essential news story, politics, two movies sports science, and we break it down into twenty minute episodes. Perfect for your ride home subscribed today. Explain on apple podcasts or wherever you listen from Stitcher, and the vox media podcast network. Welcome to this week tradition of the Niners nation dot com. Better idols podcast. My name is Oscar up and this week the walk on Wednesday and the elegant tank continues tomorrow is the final battle of the bay. And boy the Derek Carver's. Nick Mullins sounds like a rating bonanza, and as always with me is one Mr. Jerod Brown, Jared how you doing doing? Well, thanks for having me as always previewing a game. Come in sooner rather than later 's oddly exciting. And now, I guess we can officially make it official official. How many times going to say official in one sentence? Co host of the better rivals podcast. Welcome aboard, my friend. Thank you officially official official and to commemorate this. Of course, you were doing the one thing that all better rivals hosts must do when they are official better rival CEOs and that is consume a frosty alcoholic beverage. So Jared, what are you drinking today? I'm drinking a hanalei island from Kona brewing. Although not located in Hawaii. Currently, unfortunately. Jesus that was fancy. Beer snob. And otherwise, it just I'm, you know, if I'm going to be pretentious. I wanna be full pretentious. I'm surprised like I'm not even an ad. That's great. I love it. I'm over here. Sipping a Spanish red wine. It's great like, I don't even know what it's called. I just know that it's Spanish, that's all you have to know. Yeah. I mean, we can ask I don't know. There's got to be a similarly somewhere on Twitter that could tell us based on bottle. What it's all about the reason it Spanish is mostly just to help me pronounce Gottardi Guillaume when we get to that section of the podcast. So it's just gonna loosen up the tongue. I've often said that's how alcohol in linguistics are tied together. That's right. Take it from Spanish teacher them's the rules. So let's talk about the the whole cardinals game. Because boy was it. I mean, it was it was a pretty good kick to the groin is what I'm going to say the Niners advance, of course in the tournament for the first overall pick. And it was a game that it seemed like the Niners had in hand. I mean, they had a safety. They had two turnovers. Everything looked like they were like it was going to go the forty Niners way. And they were going to get their win and analysis. Sudden it's fifteen eighteen forty Niners lose and they continue their March towards the first overall pick in the draft. They are. And I think that's a good thing. Alternately sort of fan reaction in all admit that. I get caught up in this as well. It's hard not to root for the team in want them to do. Well, but in reality sort of stepping back Monday afternoon looking at the totality of the season. This is the best possible thing that could happen because not only do the forty Niners get another loss. But a team they realistically as we mentioned last week there in direct contention with the cardinals to be one of those top three teams to be picking in the draft. So to have the cardinals at the same time that the forty Niners lose the cardinals get a win and build their record up as rough as it is. And as as you mentioned is poor of a game as it was in the way that they lost almost worse overall a good outcome. And of course, I think if you've listened. His long enough. We've been writing the elegant tank here if for a couple of years, but this is not to say that we think that Shanahan is tanking or that the team should actively lose games. It's just that if they're gonna lose. Well, they're gonna reap the draft rewards. I think the picture that sticks. With me is I I don't know if you saw it, but it's a picture of Shanahan in the locker room after the loss, and he has his back to an equipment car and a football on his hand. And he's just staring off into space, and it looks like someone killed his puppy and that picture is really emblematic of the season because Shanahan no matter. His best efforts still sees this team with just a lack of execution and execution problems. And those are ultimately resulting into law in losses. And that's I think my biggest takeaway from the game against the cardinals. Is that the execution issue strikes? Again, the forty Niners were playing well the entire game they allowed just or well for most of the game the hill out three points and accounted for forty percent of the team's offensive points in the first half. I mean this game was shaping up. Like it was going to be a win. When the Niners scored that long. Touchdown Markey's Goodwin. Ends up on the lawn catch and run at twelve and three the lead seemed insurmountable. I was already being like, okay. Well, you know, two wins whatever we lose a little bit drivers. And but hey, we want a game. And then all of a sudden it all falls apart in the end, and it squarely on the shoulders of execution and not much else. And it starts really with some of those fourth quarter drives especially when backups came onto the field. I absolutely agree in again, we mentioned it a little bit with CJ Beathard is a backup. And some of these the db rotations and stuff. There was a clear drop off in in. Josh rosen. Byron left which was calling his first game. These guys suddenly looked like they were, you know, realistically much better at their respective positions quarterback and play caller first time, play caller. Then they might normally be. I think what we saw happen, particularly when some of those backups went in as you mentioned Jakubowski tart, probably the worst in terms of. Of the backup success or lack of success from the backup that you saw what happened with the middle of the field defenders in really the middle of the field is a general field area began to immediately get exposed. And I think some of that has to do with the fact that you Jakob's guitar when he is sort of those that underneath cover three defender. He has a lot of versatility is a run defender. But also as a pass defender and inability to match tight ends over the middle of the field in an ability to deal with stronger receivers over the middle of the field that the players that came on or rather the defensive rotations that they had to make when he went off those players weren't capable of doing the same thing, particularly in that final drive when the cardinals went ahead was first and ten on the Zona thirty eight in Rosen, Hitler, FitzGerald sort of up the seem twenty down the field to the SF forty-two and Kwan William k one Williams looked to sort of pass off. It's Gerald kind of on this this sort of seem ish route, but a little bit more outside the hash. Than typical. And there was another miscommunication and a lack of execution from Fred ward. At this time who is kind of the the inside defender there that it looked like K one Williams was expecting him to wall off. It's and pass him off as you mentioned. It's just a stark lack of execution that keeps showing up, and I don't really know what Shanahan can do except sort of say look when we've got our guys they can compete, but there's such a fall off that when the back of sir getting in and we're gonna see backups his Thursday. It's just doesn't look as good. At the end of the day. I think the coach still needs talent and the best coach in the whole world is still going to need talented players to execute on those schemes even after that play that you mentioned that twenty yard pass. If it's Gerald the forty Niners still had a sixty nine percent chance of winning the game per ESPN's win probability kind of metric it's based on a lot of chase Stewart's work, I think, and and that that's a pretty healthy probability of winning. It's certainly not an insurmountable percentage. Of course, the forty Niners prude, but it's definitely within the realm of like the Niners should still win this game. But I think as you said you're one hundred percent, right. I think Jakubowski tart was a big loss and the secondary. And then you have his backup come in. And then he comes out with a concussion Antoine ex junior. And then you've got Powell effectively the third safety someone who probably got maybe maybe five practice reps this week just based on how the practice reps come out. And and that's really when the defense fell apart. If you zoom in on his perform. Silence. Both touchdowns were pretty much his fault, which kind of sucks you've got second and ten from thirteen yard line eleven eleven left in the fourth quarter. The cardinals aren't in twenty two personnel in a trips left formation you count wide receivers from the outside in. So you've got Chad Williams at one FitzGerald to Ricky seals Jones three the Niners cover too. So Powell has to be aware of the post route. I mean, this is exactly what beats cover to. He's got to be aware that this is going to be the danger for the coverage. That's exactly what FitzGerald runs at him Powell plays with outside leverage and opens his hips super early. It's an easy touchdown for FitzGerald. I think one point that you brought up is that this guy, and I don't know that many fans recognize this, and even it took me a while the realizes that practice reps aren't doled out evenly in the NFL. You're the third string guy. You're getting barely any in the majority of your snaps. Come as a scout guy sort of giving the offense or defense other looks? So as you mentioned Thomas POWs not getting nearly. As many practice repetitions as the team would like, but he's still has to be ready to go in. And you brought up a good point with cover too. And this recognition of forty Niners defense any other. I mean these cover to principals about where you have leveraged where you have help what you can't get beat on. Because sometimes that's part of the teaching technique is saying look just don't get beat on. This Powell has to know that whether he's getting the practice reps or not and so his his technique there, and or rather lack thereof or a lack of a an understanding of where the threat or the soft zones, and the defense are is pretty disconcerting from a from a long-term development regard that I don't know how this team sees how this player could develop if he can't really play with an defensive at least in that very basic level. Then you've got the second touchdown. It's third and goal from the nine with thirty nine seconds left. Thirty nine seconds of this is basically the game winning play. The cardinals come out in eleven personnel and a two by two formation with Christian Kirk as the one receiver to the left and tied on Ricky seals Jones in the left slot. He's the number two receiver the forty Niners are uncover for which is a pretty good defense for this formation a two by two you've got cover four. That's great. We're all solid seems like he's learning. He's not calling as much cover three in the red zone as he did early in the season. He's got to high safety looks here. And this is great. The defense looks well primed to be able to defend the whatever. Arizona's going to throw at them Witherspoon is out wide Powell is matched up versus the tight end in the slot. Well seals Jones runs an out route and Kirk runs a dig this should be a simple pass off on a two man concept between Witherspoon and Titus Powell and Witherspoon handles this perfectly. He is there. And he takes the tight end who's breaking out in the. His own but Powell takes a step towards the tight end on the out cut, and that's just enough for Christian coat to get right behind him. And all of a sudden you've got a touchdown with thirty on that play. And Josh Rosen knows exactly what he's going to do any throws it, right? As he's breaking behind times Powell. I mean on the game Thomas pal earned a twenty seven point five coverage grade, and this is exactly why. When you've got your third string player who can execute doesn't matter. What defense you call? It doesn't matter. If you're going up against a rookie quarterback. You have to be able to execute on your third string safety just isn't going to do it. And that's how you end up losing eighteen to fifteen these are common sort of issues that you might see from a lack of practice reps together. Right Witherspoon, not rather Powell not really knowing if Witherspoon is going to be able to take that out or jump that out or whatever you wanna call it as outcomes into zone, but overall in terms of principles of the defense. This is high school football stuff. This sort of passing off. Routes in a cover for cover to shell Powell needs to know that and like you mentioned him taking that step to the to the tight end in the NFL those windows. That's that's all it takes in the quarterbacks looking for that exact step, and he's an anticipated in that if he gets that to throw it now, and that was all it took for Kirk to get behind him. Kirk is not Christian Kirk is not some stud receiver to spend in the league with a ton of nuance and veteran presence and yet the forty Niners. At least you have have done well to make him look like a serviceable if not much better receiver, and I know that their offense didn't look great until really that fourth quarter. But it showed up when it needed to in the forty Niners. Didn't in the coverage. Great from Powell was indicative of this stark contrast that when these top guys go out these starters, go out there's not really the depth needed to continue to compete, and it's starting to show more and more every week as the injuries keep coming. And so I think you'd get to other drive selling mistakes. You've got of course, the zone read in the red zone late which was a bit of a bobbled kind of mesh point. And so the Niners are driving and all of a sudden you bobble the snap CJ Beathard. It can only gain a yard. It puts you behind the sticks. And now it changes the way that you call the other plays in that drive. You've got the high snap, of course, which may have cost a chance at overtime, which is probably a blessing in disguise to be honest with you because you have your backup center in Eric Magnusson who sounds like you should be dead lifting five hundred pounds and maybe not playing center. And then you've got Josh Rosen who decided he was going to be phenomenal under pressure. And this is ultimately I think what sowing the game he was only pressured on twenty two point on twenty two percent of his dropbox which was just about half the right that he was pressured the first time the Niners played the cardinals. But he had one hundred and four point two rating and a touchdown went under pressure. And when blitz specifically this includes some plays where he was blitz, but he was not an oppression. He was four for six. For fifty five yards. That's nine point two yards per attempt and his passing grade was eighty five point five. So really the I think the difference in this game is that Josh Rosen as a quarterback was able to step up and make plays against a talent deficient forty Niners team. And they were able to execute the Niners weren't and that's what swings to scores. And that's what's swung the game. I wonder if like you mentioned Josh Rosen improving as a quarterback maybe Byron left, which paring down the playbook a little bit. And giving him some some things that they knew he could be comfortable with. But just looking at that percentage from a philosophical standpoint thinking about a rookie quarterback on a bad team with about offensive line. Not tremendous outside weapons it receiver and trying to get after a player. I just don't know that pressuring him on twenty two percent of his drop accent institute. He did. Well, when he was pressured, but I wonder if you if you ramp up that percentage of pressure what what? Has statistically what it might? Look like, I think as you mentioned Josh Rosen played well and played well enough to win the game there at the end. But I have to think that the forty Niners defense had they brought more pressure would have found significantly more success long, you know, throughout the entire game. Yeah. Well, I think this gets to kind of the point that we're making right, which is that you can't just will pressure into existence. You could maybe Blitzer of a little bit more. But the Niners still needs someone who can consistently pressure the passer until they have that they're not going to be able to put teams away and Shanahan alluded to that specifically in his post-game conference press conference when he said that you know, we just we need people to close the game out. And I think he's talking specifically about pass rusher. So yeah, I think if that's what what cost us the game in short. That's that's great. That's we're going to talk about what cost us the game. I think a lot more of this season as we progress. But it still doesn't mean that there aren't little moments of greatness within the game that are super interesting and super fun to watch. And for me honestly this game. It was the running game. And it was Shanahan's run calls because Shanahan doesn't just call pass place against the cardinals the drive across the third quarter and the fourth quarter that was the forty Niners. The most successful drive of the day was really really it was awesome to watch happen. Play after play after play. They started the drive and they're running an inside zone. Okay. It's a punch to the inside. It doesn't do all that much. But it's it's the opening blow at the drive a couple of plays later after play action pass their own opinion poll concept. So you're hitting the defense of the outside. That's a big gainer pinton poll is a great concept of basically combined some gap zone concepts and allows players to get to the edge with down. Block from kindle and kindle now is basically taking a run blocking victim just about every week and smash them to the ground. And this was almost not quite but almost couple plays later, you've got a fullback trap, which is another inside quick hitting play poor defensive tackle ends up on all fours, and then gets just squished on by the pulling guard with hilarious, and then it just continues from there. And it's just you've got these amazing plays Shanahan is hitting you inside. He's sending you outside. He's hitting you with play action. And it's just an amazing thing to see all of these plays come together. And we haven't even gotten to my favorite play. Which is a toss. Rian shovel. It's a phenomenal. Option play. I mean, I it's a beauty to watch call Shanahan's offense, even in a losing effort. Which is why I think it's still fun to pull these bits out. Even though the game didn't turn out in the win loss record exactly where we wanted. It. It absolutely is. It's still fun. It's really really impressive to watch and just like players or players in any game football basketball. Whatever is just as they can get in a rhythm play. Caller, skin, get in a rhythm, and you can see when cow Shanahan gets in that rhythm. Whether it's his first scripted drive or whether it's some of these mid game drives where he's made a judgment. And it's it's like a heavyweight boxer. That's that's mixing up punches in terms of landing spots and punch style. Where as you mentioned all these plays that you're going through there, so versatile, it's such a unique scheme that you don't see this much efficiency from a team doing these this many different things at such a good looking level. I think some of that comes from George Kittle being an absolute monster. Athletically, really showing up as a versatile weapon that can blow run block come in from Iowa can do all of that. Well, but what he does in terms of high energy athleticism and being a threat in the past game. I think has made boxes a little bit easier for them to deal with in overall. You're seeing a scheme that if there is a silver lining to some of these losses. This scheme works the scheme works well for the most part they're playing with with poor. I don't wanna say poor because they do have some players but overall not ideal talent particularly at skill positions. And these these plays are still being run at a really effective level. They look really good. The simple fact that Cal Shanahan has the twenty second ranked offense based on PF Fs kind of Massey ranking which takes players grades into account with a backup quarterback for the majority of these games is phenomenal. He's literally taking a replacement level player, and he's making them into like the outskirts of average, and that's pretty phenomenal. I think personally, and that's exactly why think call Shanahan should continue to. I I would love to see Cal Shannon, complete his contract and get an extension because I think he's the right man for the job, but the running game even though the plays were called, and they were called well the running back timeshare is a little suspect. And now, of course, Matt Breda he's seemingly coming back to health. Most seems a bit like a revelation. But now we've kind of got this third wheel. If you will that seems to be robbing important touches from players that maybe should be getting them. Absolutely. When the forty Niners began the season. I think the loss of jerick McKinnon the unexpected loss of jerick McKinnon for the season sort of through an immediate wrench in their plans because up until then they didn't know that map. Brea was going to be who he is CJ Beathard is this backup that is sort of running college Shanahan's offense who has them sort of that twenty second rank as you mentioned. But man, Breda up until this year was considered the backup running back as well. So in theory, they've really got to starters at these premier skill positions that the forty Niners wanted to utilize. They've actually got two backups there rather than their first the two starters that that are hurt breed. It however is played as is obviously somebody that's a much higher level than just your standard backup. What's happening behind read, though is really intriguing for a variety of reasons. I think they signed Alfred Morris with a little bit of a haste and not necessarily that the signing was poor. But that they needed to find somebody that should breed and not be what he has been. Could in theory be the lead back in and Hans offense and not long term. We're talking a year. Maybe two is a backup. But ideally, McKinney McKinnon's coming back. So that you're not looking for a guy to be your long term fix here. It was going to be somebody that could come in off the street learning the playbook quickly and do well enough. So they signed Alfred Morris. The problem is he's getting more touches than he should now. Now that we recognize it Mabry too can be a starting running back in the NFL the backup behind him regime. Oester is actually balling out as well. And he should be receiving really the flip of the the touches that they're getting right now. Alfred Morris is getting has on the season Eighty-three touches for an average of four point two yards per, touch, and that average is actually going down. Whereas we're he most has thirty three touches for an average of six point one yards. And he has some big plays. But on the whole he's running hard running. Well Morris has two fumbles to just one for most. So by many sort of on field metric. Whether we look at sort of a speed and explosiveness standpoint when we look at average yards per, touch, what most can do is receive in many ways, most seems to be at least now the more productive and better player throw in the fact that he's probably a long-term course, special teamer if they want him, and it's hard to see why Alfred Morris is continuing to get critical carries. When Moster is showing a skill set that might actually rival the other two backs on the roster or the other two backs that we're going to be on the roster in Breda in McKinnon, and I wonder how that that snap share might be switching or ought to switch moving forward. I totally agree with you. I think this is this is I think the conflict that Kyle Shanahan feels between knowing he probably needs to evaluate players. But also understanding that he trusts a couple of guys, and he's got his people, and and he needs to give them SAM's because he thinks that they're going to get him closer to winning the game. And this is this is the conflict that he's gotta run into. And I don't envy the man because he's he's gotta make some tough decisions. But I one hundred percent agree with you. I think most is more productive more explosive. And I think he should be getting the lion's share of carries at this point. I think that Morris should be getting close to maybe like, maybe maybe short yard is touches maybe. And even then I probably think that's too much. But there are lots of places where the forty Niners should probably try out there young talent. And I think we're gonna get to see some of that against the raiders maybe with Tarbert more here in just a couple of weeks. But there's there's one more. I think player that you wanted to talk about before we get to our spotlight players. So let's let's. Talk a little bit about Reuben foster because he's you know, he's playing with now with like only two a four appendages. He's he's kind of fifty percent of the bandages that are working and the dude still plan. He is in credit to Reuben foster. He plays hard and he's not gonna make excuses, but he suffered a hamstring injury late in the first half against the cardinals. He didn't come back. And that's one of the first times that we've seen sort of him. Not do that on the field off the field dance in games. He's officially been ruled out for Thursday night's game against Oakland. And I think that's actually a good thing. Because it's been very clear since the start of the season after serving the two-game suspension and coming back. He's just not the same player that he was last year. I don't believe that this is a long term thing. I don't believe that Reuben foster was a flash in the pan. And now, suddenly he's a bad player. But I do believe that he's banged up. And that it's he's banged up to the point where he actually can't play the way that he plays and the way that he plays his what makes him special, right? He's not some massive run thumping linebacker that would without, you know, without a good leg can still just. Fill the gap. This is a player that has to rely on speed and power and athleticism really explosiveness also to be ineffective linebacker, and he just hasn't had that this year. And I'm I'm not excited. But I'm glad to see that they're sitting him for this week, and that he's going to hopefully, take some time to recover. Ironically. What we are also seeing that his backup allies Lee at least in terms of PF grading is playing significantly better in many important categories than Reuben foster comparatively their grades this season Elisha lease overall PF grade is sixty seven point five, which is above average. Whereas Reuben foster is forty two point nine and below average against the run allies lease in the mid sixties and fosters hovering right around that fifty Elisha Lee is a tackler is almost at eighty Mark. He's at seventy eight point seven whereas Reuben foster is at twenty eight point three this is at the linebacker position. You've got a linebacker that at least by PF grading is a very very poor tackler. Lastly in coverage illogically is almost twenty points or twenty grade points higher than Reuben foster. So across the board allies Lee is outperforming him and certainly sample size matters here a little bit because Ruben foster Ben on the field sort of terms of snap count more than allegedly. But when Foster's not healthy. He's not he's not good. He's not good at what he does. Well, and it's showing on the field that he can't play at the level that he ought to. So is the season moves forward. It's going to be interesting to see if the forty Niners actually give him the time that he needs to sit. Because as you look at this roster up and down, it's not competing. There's no need for Reuben foster to remind us all how tough is we get it. Let allies leaky playing at least for another week or two because to typically he's actually the better player right now. We both went through scouting academy. And we both completed for modules, but we both had to go through the intro module. And one of the things that stuck with me among other things because it was it was a great course. But one of the things that I remember was Dan happened. He's that the scouting director. And basically our teacher for most of the course, he always preached context. One valuating player, you have to know as much as you can about the context in which that thing is happening. And there are some obvious things are things like the maybe the type of coverage they're playing or what the scheme asks them to do. But then there are other things like their injuries. You do expect that players play injured, but you have to take that into account when you're evaluating that player. And I think that's exactly what's happening with Reuben foster. I think the context of his career this is going to be his trough his dip, and he's going to go back to the heights that he was playing at last season. But I think he's just playing injured right now. I tuned out a clip a couple of weeks ago where he's literally running with one arm literally. His other arm is dead along his side. And he's trying to reach for a tackle with one arm. And I think that's affecting him. Who knows whether it's going to be a long term career effect kind of thing. But at the very least for now that's the context in which have to evaluate Reuben foster. And so, yeah, maybe he's playing a little better than them right now. But I don't think that in any way, shape or form that is a an indictment on the talented player that Israel in foster. I think to your point Jared, you're exactly right. Just sit the dude let the guy rest for a little bit. And and let's go ahead and play some players and continue marching towards that first overall pick because I think that's going to help the team more than a Aranda win here in the middle of the year. But let's get to the spotlight players. Let's get to your spa. I play I because it is a rookie. That's been getting a a lot of pub lately because he is the best at his position in his class. Who's or spotlight player? My spotlight player this week is Mike mcglinchey who since the time the forty Niners drafted him and cliche coming your way. But he's not a sexy pick, right? The off. Offensive line. I was a position that needed to be evaluated long-term, whether they had Trent Brown and Joe Staley or not it was something that they needed to look out for the future. And I really identify who was going to eventually be the quote, unquote, left tackle of the future. But it's not an ideal position to take in the top ten by many standards because people want to see the premier edge pass rusher. The quarterback the you know, the really breakout superstar player when Mike mcglinchey has been that in week five. He was on the pro football focus team of the week all across the NFL for dominating at his position October twenty fifth. He had a seventy eight point four overall grade as the best rookie offensive lineman in the league, not tackle. But best rookie entire offensive linemen. And this week. He improved even more his overall grade now sits eighty point two, and that's six points ahead of the second place player, which by PF metrics is actually quite a bit. He continues to do well in just about every manner almost one. A week. You see one of those dominant run blocking performances where he he shows everything that you want to see from a long-term player in regards to speed and power to get outside on the edge. He has the understanding of leverage in angles to meet second level defenders in gaps or or as they scrape across his the strength to anchor against very good pass rushers. And every once in a while he's going to get beep. But by and large he's playing very very well. And in a season that we see not so many players playing particularly well, it's really encouraging to see that John Lynch in cal- Shanahan in Adam Peters and who's ever part of this evaluation for a top ten overall pick. They knocked this one out of the park. Mike mcglinchey is an absolute stud. I spotlight player this week is going to be Jakubowski tart, he had a very very good game against the cardinals than I think that you can judge that based on what happened when he left the forty Niners definitely felt as absence. We we talked about what happened when his backups came into the game. But he had a textbook interception earlier in the game where he he faked like he was gonna blitz drops into a hook zone and reads the quarterbacks is brakes on it. And eventually gets the pick basically the he got something that the forty Niners defense has not been able to do that especially considering he dropped one the week before. I think it's a good comeback budget costs guitar overall in his last four games he has performed a lot better than he has the beginning of the year. Three of the last four games. He's grated above a seventy two. And of course, anything in the seventies is above average. And that's exactly the type of player that we thought we were going to get all told with Jakubowski tarp because at his peak. That's where he was he was a kind of the high end of above level. And he was definitely trending towards that place. Now that he was finally getting healthy. But now, of course, he's injured. He's been ruled out for Thursday. And we'll see what happens when when the forty Niners have the trot out. I guess a backup to a backup here against the raiders. But for me Jakubowski tart played a hell of a game. He finally got that coveted turnover and he was trending up before injured liked to see them really quickly. I was just would love to see him play an entire sixteen games. Because this feels like this has been the maybe the third time that he's been with the forty Niners in his Ben sort of at this precipice of being a really high level starter. It's too bad that that this continues to happen for him. Yeah. Because I guess he broke his arm last year and then the year before was his rookie year. And I don't know that he played a ton. I think he played a little bit. But yeah, I mean, I think you know, injuries obviously are just like everything else they're gonna regress to and fro. And hopefully, we're going to get back to two more normal injury things because I don't know that it makes sense that every single player that we have that that matters is injury prone. I think some of this is going to regress back to the the non injury me next season when we're going to I think have a more complete and better team around a quarterback who has actually been played the start are being paid to start. But let's get to the really quickly. I want to talk before we get to the raiders game. I wanna talk a little bit about the trade deadline because just about everyone in forty nine or phantom basically had a meltdown because we were not adding talent. And I think we have opposing views on one specific player. And I want to hear why you think maybe adding someone like Dante Fowler. There was a was the right decision. Maybe a decision that was missed by the forty Niners. Of course, if you missed it if you've been living under a rock Dante Fowler was traded to the Los Angeles Rams who are all in. They traded a third round pick this year and a fifth round pick next year for the basically an eight game rental on Dante Fowler because his contract is up at the end of the year. The Jackson not exercise his fifth year option. So he's on the final year of his deal and the Rams picked him up as maybe a piece to help them get to the Super Bowl. And I think that is not move on ener should make. I think though that you think otherwise. So so walk me through your thinking, I don't think otherwise. So I actually agree with you. But I was trying to rationalize this from a fan perspective or from a from the opposite viewpoint because I've actually in agreement with you here that the Rams got Dante Fowler because the Rams want to win the Super Bowl this year the forty Niners because they're also exactly Uber bowl. So there's no need to go. Get Dante Fowler. Because Dante is actually not that. Great. But if he hits for the rain and tastic they won their one Super Bowl. But no, I totally agree with you. I think Fowler Fowler is good. And honestly, the shitty thing is is that Fowler would probably be the best edge rusher on the forty Niners. Quarter would be and he he is in my mind, a situational pass rusher that is where he excels. But if we wanted to situational pass rusher, we could go get Elvis Duma Ville, bad dudes, still hanging out somewhere. And I think that that's the kind of thing that you would get from someone like Don Fowler, a third and a fifth is a lot to give up when your most valuable asset right now is your draft position that that's how you want to build your team when Cal Shanahan and John Lynch talked about building this team long-term. That's what they're talking about. They're talking about not kind of throwing all your chips into the table unless it is your time to do. So there are certain teams that should do that. The Rams are one of them. They have a rookie quarterback on or they have a quarterback on his rookie deal. And that is probably the most valuable asset and football a good quarterback on his rookie deal. Means you can spend a ton of money everywhere else and really increase your chances to win the Super Bowl. And that's what the Rams are doing. I think the. Philadelphia Eagles are doing much the same. They are teams that understand that their position right now, they have to go all in this first window before they have to retool and change the way the roster's constructed and then attack in another window the Niners. Unfortunately, didn't get the benefit of having a quarterback on his rookie deal. That was good. They jumped straight to the second contract quarterback. And that means that they have to find officiency is in the way that they pay their players and efficiencies in the way that they find other premier positions. And that I think to me means they have to find eggs rusher in the draft. If you're not gonna pay your quarterback rookie contract, then pay your premier edge rusher at a rookie wage scale, and you're getting an inefficiency on one of the other kind of coveted positions in the NFL. So that's why I don't think it makes sense to take an eight game rental on Fowler. Because the price was too high. You're not gonna win anything this year. And then there's no guarantee that you sign him. And if you franchise them, you're paying eighteen nineteen million. And he is not eight thousand nine hundred million dollars. Good. He just isn't. He's not like you mentioned the forty Niners. Third round. Pick is going to be somewhere in the sixties the late sixties at best. And the Rams third round. Pick is going to be closer to the late ninety s. So in terms of overall, the forty Niners definitely could not spend that kind of capital on this player. They're not anywhere near close eight-game rental for Dante Fowler to do what to come in. Even if the forty Niners. Just absolutely run the table with Dante Fowler. Suddenly this premier pass rusher. And yes, he's definitely upgrade over caches Marsh. But but for what to go nine and seven to definitely not compete for for the Super Bowl. So like you mentioned the Rams the chiefs. The I can't remember the other the other team you mentioned gives me the eagles. But all those teams at the rookie quarterback's. Yeah. You're you're the team that goes out and gets these guys. And that's exactly what we're seeing. Chiefs are spending money to get premier players Rams built a defensive a ton of high priced players because they're going to do it for a year or two, and then they're going to hope that they've cashed out and actually won a Super Bowl or two in that window, but overall the meltdown over the non non noise or the lack of stuff happening in Santa Clara during this trade deadline is a little overblown because the forty Niners aren't in a position to start buying players for eight games to try and make this final playoff push. It just it's absurd to me to think that everyone thinks that you should just continue to spend all of your resources all your valuable resources on players that aren't really going to help the larger plan. I think it was always year three when Shanahan was going to really make the push for the kind of dominance that we would love to see from this team. And I think the injury definitely sets the team back. But next year is still the year where you're really gonna see I think some of those moves I think in year four is where you start to see the forty Niners making some of these moves, but that's after they've been able to draft an edge rusher or two in the draft. I mean, you think about Fowler Fowler was of course, drafted high. But what are the what are the Jags? Do that drafted in a always gonna screw up his name you? It's it's a tradition that you have the script someone's name here on the better idols podcast, so Jahic and Gakugei housing. Yeah. That's not the one you're screwing up tonight. Then because I was good that apparently, but Yana can Gakugei. It was a player they drafted later because they pick up to address in the same draft. And I think that's what the Niners should do that pick up to drafts pick up two players in the same draft increase your chances. The draft is an absolute crap shoot. That is what everyone's like. Oh, well, this team doesn't know how to drive they drafted Solomon Thomas, and blah, blah, blah. It's like, well, you know, what the all of the math about the draft says that the one is really bad. And no one is really good. It's a lot of chance and like that's involved. Adam feeling is the perfect example of like if if drafting were really a science, Adam dealing would never have slipped through the ten pick. And yet he exactly that's exactly right. And yet there is a lot of variability, and there's no GM that has it all figured out. And so there are going to be GM's that have good years and bad years, and they have ups and downs. And you want to increase your chances of hitting on a player. And that's why you take to address. There's this is why Washington taking. Quarterbacks are G three and Kirk cousins, you know, you look at which one panned out. It was cousins it's the same thing then under should do that. And what they need to do. That is picks that don't need to give up picks on one player. Who's not worth a franchise tag is definitely not an as you mentioned the forty Niners as they continue to build these picks, or rather, you know, stockpile these picks just looking ahead at the draft class. This next year is not particularly good. So to trade your picks away and have less capital less ammunition to be able to maneuver around the board to get the few guys that you need because when healthy the forty Niners, aren't terribly far away. But they do have a couple of very specific positions that they need to target the more immunization that they have to do. So the more that they can maneuver around to get exactly where they want to. And you only do that by having more picks to use his draft capital. The more that they can move around the better they're going to be moving forward. Trading. Those picks for a short sighted move is is in this case. A good evaluation by John Lynch, Adam Peters in their team to say, thanks, but no things especially when you look at the draft classes here at rusher. This is going to be the class to get an edge rusher because there are so many quality Ed Russia's near the top as compared to last year. Whether it was like, basically, two players one was chub the other was Davenport. And then some people had a boner for Josh sweat. And basically only one of them is turned out to be like super amazing and Chubb because he's had, you know, of course, von Miller on the other side of the Denver defense. He's also been okay. But not great. And that's it the the basic three players, and I think in this year's draft. You've got a lot more. And so this is the drop to get an edge player and the Niners need ammo to do that they do need ammo. And they've got like you mentioned this is a great year for it. They've got the time to spend evaluating these players that they're going to see in the top ten the forty Niners, obviously, you'd like to lend at first and be able to go get Nick Bosa. But if they don't there's gonna be some some. The second second dairy secondary choices there that that they're going to like. The only reason I didn't start watching film this week is because it was a short week and we half game on Thursday. But if not I probably be watching the film tomorrow gotta do it gotta start getting prepared tomorrow tomorrow Thursday night or today when you listen to this. This is the original this is Bosa preparation the forty Niners are playing this game entirely in preparation for Bosa. At the exactly right. So speaking of this game. All right. Let's talk about the final battle of the bay man before the raiders moved to Las Vegas, and they fully embraced their land. Locked pirate core the the battle for Mandalay bay. The. Oh, well done little Casado word play. Man. I like it. So this is now we're in the throes of the blow it for both tournament. I mean, this is it we are moving on to the semifinals before of course, the finals against the giants. And both of these teams are just not good. I mean, the raiders when you look at their overall Massey rankings their low ranking overall puts them at thirty first the Niners are at twenty eighth. Of course. Ella ranking is PF Fs ranking that takes into account the strength of opponent who they beat who. They who they didn't be and put that into a ranking the raiders offense is twenty eighth the Niners offenses twenty-second. This is of course, PFC offensive ranking defensive ranking the raiders are twenty-ninth the Niners thirty I this is basically going to be a lot of players and end two teams that are just not very good at football. That are bumping uglies. And it might come down to quite frankly, the quarterback because Derek Carr is not bad at football and CJ Beathard and Nick Mullins. May actually be bad at football. Definitely not as good or rather. Derek Carr is definitely not as bad as they might be. We're going to see an ugly Thursday night game. I just don't think that there's any other way to slice this. We see ugly Thursday night games between decent teams and two teams that are coming off of an another poor loss. Rough seas a rough season for the forty Niners. The raiders are trending sort of. I don't know if you can trend up, but they sort of beat the defeated. The Derek Carr noise about wondering if their quarterbacks crying. So if there is a sort of upward projection for either these teams, it's probably the raiders. But in either case, they're not particularly good either. Is that their biggest one of the season? It has the defeating the the perception that their quarterback was crying that might be their biggest one of the year. It seemed like that's where they put all their effort, quite frankly. I mean, the tight end came out and had this long soliloquy about Derek and Derek Carr. I'm sure as a phenomenal player, but. Why are we spending time discussing whether a quarterback was crying? Neither of your teams are good one of your coaches is not good definitely being overpaid. You're leaving for Vegas with that stadium. That's falling apart in a fan base. It's angry Thursday night is not going to be particularly fun unless you want to sort of embrace the suck unless you are a major fan of the blow it for both attorney in which case this is this is exactly what you want to see on Thursday night. Let's, yuck. It up in front of everybody. While this one football outsiders has the Niners as leading the league in the percentage chance of getting the number one overall pick it thirty two point six percent second place in that race is the raiders and they're at seventeen point one. And of course, the thing that might help the forty Niners is the fact that CJ Beathard while tough as all holy get out finally cracked his hand is injured no breaks. But it was definitely in a soft cast, and that's not good news. And that means that on a short week, it might be Mullins time and in the land of backups. Nick Mullins is maybe not king. But like, I don't know like the treasurer. He's like he's like not super important. But like, maybe he manages the money because in a very small preseason sample his forty-seven snaps super small sample Mullins was just about as good as bad third. They both had above average grades. Nick Mullins ranked fifteen out of fifty one quarterbacks with at least forty seven drawbacks in the preseason going up against backups. So look if you're looking for upside, if you're looking for any semblance, any glimmer of hope, it's that Nick Mullins may actually be a hidden gem. And he is just enough above average football that he could will this team to a win against the raiders defense that is porous at best. Either way I feel like this is a win win for the forty Niners in their front office. If they lose the game again as we mentioned with the cardinals the raiders are another one of those teams that are in contention for. Top-five pick and every win that they get particularly if it means a loss for the forty Niners is a good thing for the forty Niners. It on the flip side of that. If Nick Mones plays really, well, maybe he keeps playing in the forty Niners have an opportunity to evaluate him. I don't know. I do know Nick Mullins is not a long-term answer quarterback for the forty nine. No, no I ever. Maybe he's more than just a practice squad guy because the forty Niners seemed content to just hold two quarterbacks going into the regular season is the second year in a row. It looks like that's sort of the MO of this front office. So Nick Mones can become the guy is there some sort of, you know, whoa. New quarterback controversy here in in Santa Clara between CJ Beathard. And Nick Mullins in any case at least typically in the preseason. Nick Mullins didn't do too bad fans. Obviously love him and gave him the cameras a little cute nickname. I think it was Molins time or something which is sort of silly. It can't be everyone's time every time they do some a little little reductive. I think Garrett sell like what have something to say about that. He has to who hasn't. Ironically, had any sort of time lately he hasn't done very well. But nonetheless this game looks like it could come down to specifically who has the best quarterback. And whether it's Nick Mones or CJ Beathard it's a pretty obvious edge to the raiders provided. Jon Gruden doesn't get in the way. I think that you're absolutely right. I think oftentimes. The game is decided by the best quarterback in that quarterback in this game is a very very clearly Derek Carr, despite the fact that whether or not you think he wears guy liner or whether or not he cries effect is he is not playing terrible football this year. And when you think of the I think the chance the Niners have is that the raiders defense is incredibly porous there on the year, so far which is now adjusted for opponents is twenty-ninth the Niners defense just twenty four th so the Niners have a better defense in the raiders. The raiders are giving up running yards basically to everyone. And when you look at last week against the colts, they gave up three touchdowns tight ends. So I think that when you look at the Niners strength on offense the running game and in the receiving game. They're tight end. And when you look at what the raiders don't do. Well, which is defend the run and guard against tight ends. I think you have an opportunity for the Niners to score bunches of points in for the Niners. Now bunches of points means somewhere. North of twenty eight and that could be just enough if the Niners defense actually comes to play it. Absolutely. Could I think the forty Niners have a unique opportunity if there is one at least in this case to see how Shanahan stocks up against Jon Gruden who fifteen years ago was considered a strong offensive mind. But the raiders defense isn't particularly good either. In if the forty Niners can continue to score at least a little bit or or do score at least a little bit. They have an opportunity to win against a bad team, if they can create some, you know, Thursday night teams are tired and Beata bodies or sore. Maybe the forty Niners come out with a little bit of juice in energy in steal a couple early touchdowns on the raiders. All right. So which would you want as a fan as a human? It's the last battle the bay. There is this kind of intra bay rivalry between the raiders and the Niners, even though I guess it stopped being really a rivalry when they stopped playing in the preseason because people got a little stabby. So which would you prefer would you prefer losing this game? And effectively locking up a top two pick or winning this game and having perpetual bragging rights against the eventual Mandalay bay, raiders, and and kind of having those bragging rights until you're old and gray as it. Now, the forty Niners don't play the raiders very often anyways because of the violence in the stadium. So I'm all for lose this game. Who cares when you go to Las Vegas in a couple of years in theory will be better, and we can put it on him in. It'll be phenomenal. Until then we'll have to deal with the raiders fans that are all excited about getting that last win over a meaningless forty Niners. Team needs are not too high level franchises right now. This is not the Pittsburgh Steelers in the New England Patriots who for the last ten years or always in the playoffs is do teams that are at the bottom of the barrel. Right now struggling for any sort of competency, so a win at least in this case is absolutely meaningless. It doesn't do us any good. And I know it's really hard, but lose this one. Let it go everybody. Enjoy your Thursday night, stay safe, but let the raiders have this one. Absolutely agree. I think was better for the franchise is to just let it go. Man. Let it go. Like a frozen song. I'm sure there are it's Halloween. I'm sure there are lots of is out there just embrace the costume. Let it go. Let it be its own thing and off you go. But there are some matchups to watch though, there are a couple of things I will be watching number one Titus Powell versus Jared cook. Of course, we had a segment about as pal earlier. But Jared cook actually good at football. He leads all tight ends and targets inside the ten yard line. And while he's not the all world-beater tight end that maybe George kid'll. Is you think that that's a mismatch right now between Jared cook and Thomas pal, and that's what I'll be watching at least initially for when I'm watching the raiders offense. Is there any offense or any matchups that you'll be watching Jared? I'm excited for the match ups that actually aren't on the field. I wanna see cow Shanahan versus pug on who's in established defensive coordinator. But who is working with a very bad raiders defense? And while the forty Niners defense isn't particularly good caution and might be able to make this defense. Look, really, really bad. So without a premier edge rusher, which there's a cardinals do have Chandler Jones at both games has played very well against them. The raiders don't have that player. It may be Arden key is a rookie. You say he's kind of impressive. But he's still overweight and not that good. So I'm excited to see how cowshed hand exploited this matchup defensively, and sort of the flip side of that Jon Gruden who not so much anymore. But in his heyday was considered an offensive mastermind may have not sort of caught up with common NFL or modern NFL stuff. But I'm really excited to see how Robert saw continue sort of his development as a defensive coordinator going against arguably one of the best to do it in the last probably two decades. Do you do you think the raiders are going to actually play Bruce? And now that they didn't trade him. Because is that would be so uncomfortable. Because again, he's not like great at. But he's I mean, he's not bad at football. And he's good at rushing off the edge. And I think they were maybe kind of keeping him under wraps because they were hoping to trade him didn't happen in the fire sale. And now all of a sudden you've got a player that can actually rush the passer. I think about Arden key not great at least in your one. But I think hopefully, we don't see a ton of a Bruce Irvin. I will say this though, I'm throwing the gauntlet down right now on Thursday, if Jon Gruden runs spider to why banana, we both have to finish whatever drink is in front of our face, preferably alcoholic deal deal. That's the only that's the only reasonable. I wonder if he can get on the Thursday night broadcast headset, and let them know it's coming, you know, give him a little chance to get the little the play by play hit in. They're run run spider to banana just that might be a way to make this game. Exciting. Yeah. We'll just because it probably won't be particularly good. Just every play. You're just you're just hoping. So the other matchup watching George Kittle versus Karl Joseph one, Mr. Josep is five nine just five nine a shade. Under five ten we'll call it George Biddle taller than that. And George Biddle is also good at football. And so I'm hoping that George kill becomes more of a red zone target if the Niners get down into the red zone, which I would expect that they would at least a couple of times against this raiders defense. And so I think that Joseph because of that biblical mismatch may end up a little bit like Jimmy ward versus Brandon Marshall in the red zone. And so that's another place that I'll be watching for some ups. It's basically going to be all tight ends all day Erdei because those are the the only things to watch at this point at least in my eye. So that that's going to be it's going to be interesting. Honestly, I'm full confession. I'm not nearly as. Hyped about this, quote, unquote rivalry as I think other fans are I really couldn't care less. It's just not going to be a particularly good game in there is a way to embrace that in to enjoy his Thursday night football, and in some regards. That's nice, but on the whole this. This is going to be a game between two bad teams. And at least for the forty Niners. They could potentially be on their third string quarterback a guy that is only the third string quarterback. Because most teams don't wanna go to their third string quarterback is not like he had some pretty tonight. You know, you didn't have some tremendous season-long campaign was like we gotta get Nick Mullins back in here. He had some we had some fun in the preseason with him. But overall, this is not I don't know that this guys are ready to be on national television as a starting in a quarterback. And maybe I'm wrong. But to look at this game in and be excited in intimidating. Something magnificent is just not going to be it. All right. So hit me with your prediction. What happens the Niners are currently favored by two and a half points at home, which means it's effectively a pick em because. The home team usually gets three points. So what do you think is going to happen and the game? Do you think the Niners win did they win but don't cover? What's what's coming at you? I think the raiders win this one straight up. I don't know that it'll be by much because I don't think they're particularly good either. But I really have a hard time seeing I mean at least early on in terms of Levi stadium life these sort of a Thursday night game against the raiders between two bad teams. This is not the forty Niners are not as team that routinely cells that stadium out that fills out stadium regardless of the product on the field. So there's no real sort of quote unquote home field advantage here because the forty Niners aren't very good. So the stadiums not going to be particularly full anyways. But the plane the raiders who are also in the bay area. So there's going to be plenty of raiders fans in the stadium. So on the whole I don't know that this field in terms of advantage for the forty Niners is particularly strong. And because of that I think the raiders pull out a win against a bad 49ers team on a short week with a lot of dudes banged up. I think I'm gonna give you a choose your own adventure here. And I think that if Nick Mullins plays the the Niners probably end up losing because. Cars are much better quarterback than Nick Mullins. And oftentimes, I think games like this come down to maybe the best quarterback is. And that's clearly Derek Carr. I think if CJ Beathard ends up playing it, it's probably a little closer. But I do think at the very least the raiders cover, and if I were a betting man, and I'm not really into the whole Benton thing, I would probably about on the raiders to cover even onto two and a half point spread. I'd probably bet on the raiders to cover. I think that's wise. Overall, just not a particularly good looking weak for the forty Niners. The raiders aren't particularly good. But like you said it's a quarterback driven league. And right now head to head the raiders guy behind center is better than either that the forty Niners are gonna trot out tomorrow night. All right, man. Well, I think that wraps it up for this week show the game is tomorrow. So hopefully, everyone enjoys the Thursday game. If you are indeed going to the Thursday game be safe. Don't be dumb. It's just a football game. Enjoy it cheer yell scream, and then get home and be miserable at work on Friday because that's probably won't be doing. I actually have a meeting with my CEO tomorrow debating whether or not I should wear my Niners jersey is that that's where I'm at right now. Why are you leaning towards where it or not wear a man? I don't know. This is only the fourth time I've been in a work meeting. Like, we've said, hi and and near the coffee station. I'll hey, how's it going below blonde near the urinals at one point? He's at urinal talker. Which is weird socio? Is that anything worse? But no never in a work meeting like well, maybe probably time primetime NFL game with Nicole quarterback. But otherwise, yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, I'm probably leaning towards learning some kind of Niners paraphanelia it'll be confident it'll be a conversation pretending all right man working. They follow you on Twitter. Jared follow me on Twitter at Jared. Brown. Underscore J E R O D Brown underscore. I promise. This is all gonna get better. There's it can only go up because we just keep losing in acquiring draft capital. We are below in it for Bosa. Absolutely. And you can always follow me at better rivals. You can see my Solomon Thomas article about why he should be playing on the inside on Niners nation. You can see. See all the clips of the run game that I was talking about earlier this episode on the Twitter's at better rival, so thanks again, everyone for tuning in have a fantastic Thursday night football. And as always go Niners. Hey, I'm an ill. 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Ep. 251: JIMMY NOOOOOOOOOO

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Ep. 251: JIMMY NOOOOOOOOOO

"Welcome this week. Sedition of the Niners nation dot com, better idols podcast. My name is Oscar apprecia-. When this week we have a womp womp Wednesday, the want b-best of Wednesday's the drinking game was here for just one week before we had to revamp the rules to Jimmy Garoppolo blowing out his ACL and this week. We also almost welcome Jerry Brown almost because we also have David Newman. David Zere and see. The thing is we had this whole show. We had this whole panel discussion planned out and we actually executed on an hour, long panel discussion with David, Jared, myself. It was fantastic episode. It was great, but due to technical issue, we couldn't actually get Jared's audio on here. And so we had to make a decision to let Jared go and exist in his life and cook dinner and not to the world and get back to students and do all the great things that he had to do and kind of rerecord the show ourselves. You're just going to have to trust us that it was the best episode that has ever existed, and we're very sorry that you don't. I'm still actually very mad about it because it was a phenomenal episode. It was actually very good. Yeah. Again, we're just gonna hype this up. I'm sorry that you have to listen to the leftover right now. I'm just the best I'm angry. I'm might at some point actually export the episode and cut out the silences and just and just. Just just you can see what it was. It'll be like an audio like mad live like just guess what Jared was sane. Dern. This silence. I might do. I might do it. Don't test me. We've gone. We've gone back to our twenty eleven playoff beer anchor steam. So I mean, we're just getting all the feels this this episode. This episode is going to be catharsis part two for us because we're going to talk about the chiefs game. We're gonna talk about Jimmy Garoppolo what the hell that means we're going to talk a little bit chargers and then kind of wrap it all up and see what the hell all of this means. So let's get right into a David. Let's get to the game with the Niners lost more than the game against the chiefs. The Niners ran into a buzzsaw on Sunday. They lost the chiefs, but they lost more than just the game in Kansas City. So let's talk about the big story of the game, and I know you're going to think that it's Jimmy Garoppolo missing ACL. Correct. But to me, that's not actually the story of the game. That's the story. That's just that's the story that you know, we're gonna talk about that we're gonna get to it. But to me, I think the first thing we have to talk about are these struggles on defense the Niners at a ton of trouble with chiefs in the first half, and they're not unusual. Lots of teams. Trouble with the cheese, but I feel like five drives five scores and no one except Richard Sherman having an above average grade on defense, that's that's more than just having a bad game against the chiefs that is just a bismuth during game like this. There's never one game. There's never one thing that explains everything, but if you were to pick the primary drivers for the Niners abysmal formats on defense, what do you think that those factors were? You know, I think the toughest thing. I mean a lot of ways it'd be easier to just pick what went well, which I guess is mostly nothing, but I think this was really just a, it's largely about matchups right in in about personnel. Like I something that we've talked about for a very long time is like, I believe that defense is largely driven by the player right in your defensive performances driven by the personnel that you have. And there's only so much you can really do from a scheme standpoint to make a huge difference, their rights a little bit different than often. So I just kind of felt like in this game, even going into it that it was always going to be very difficult for the forty Niners to slow them down because the chiefs offense hitting all cylinders going into it. I mean, the first couple of weeks, right Mahomes is looked amazing in that offense was just clicking and they have so much talent the skill positions there in. So it was just going to be a very tough match up. And I think you saw the forty Niners defensively still a very young team, right? Still a lot of players there that aren't kind of proven reliable contributors and and are going to be a little up and down from week to week. And so I think we saw them go up against an offense that was just that had far superior talent level, and it was just tough for them to keep up. I think it is. It is probably more based on talent from a defensive perspective, but. Even then I'm not sure that the scheme really helped the forty Niners actually, that's not true the scheme I think is gonna stick. I think the execution certainly didn't help the Niners because there were plays where the Niners just seemed like like they were out of position or they didn't do one thing and all of a sudden Mahomes exploited that and the chiefs exploited that there are three examples I can think of the top of my head. One is going to be Adrian Colbert when the forty Niners got hit with Yankee where it is. It's a route that they probably see all the time in practice, but tyreek hill runs to the corner and then comes back to the post that little move. Sends Adrian Colbert into a bit of a spin. He trips and all of a sudden tyreek hill catches a pass for a long you think of penalties would kind of pain in the ass. But whatever then you think to mount them Smith, not actually playing his responsibility in the slot and carrying defender up the field. Instead, he tries to get out to the flat and all of a sudden you've got Kelsey, why the hell open. I think honestly, Richard Sherman is right when he says that it's not necessarily the defensive calls per se, but if the Niners were just to execute better, that they would be better on defense. Yeah. I mean, again, execution is a big part of it. I think a lot of people kind of naturally like to throw a lot of blame on the coaches right through a lot of blame on the coordinators, but a lot of it comes down to like the players got to go out there and do their job. And when you see things that we saw defensively where it was just like, you know, guys running free in the secondary, right? There's nobody. In none of your coverage defenders or nearby able to make a play on them on, or you see the penalties are part of that. I've always been one. I don't really pay too much attention, but when you get that like just absurd number of penalties and a lot of them being just kind of disciplined related, right? It's not like it's one thing. If you are in coverage and you kinda get beat and you get past interference, right? It's more of a you. Got, that's like a player thing. That's not something that can be coached up or or that really should be a focus there. But when it's a disciplined thing, guys jumping off sides and just having kind of silly penalties like that. It's tough. It's tough to overcome, especially again when you're kind of at that talent efficiency, it's going to be you're putting yourself in a whole. I think the penalty that bothers me the most is the jumping upsides penalty because last week it costs them a pretty key I down and it was it was it was obvious. Like, hey, they're gonna. Come up in. Hard count, don't jump and they absolutely jumped. And then in this week, again, they got caught at least twice jumping off sides. That's just not this that's me goes beyond discipline. That to me is like, you never make that mistake again. And yet they still continued to make that mistake and just don't know what the hell you do there as a coach because that just to me is on the players. Now, the second half was a bit of a different story for the forty Niners because they did clamp down a little bit in the second half. Why was it something schematically was an adjustment was at anything that Robert solid did in the second half that made the forty Niners defense just a little better that allow them to get back into the game. At least for me, there wasn't anything that really, especially stood out. I don't think that there was a whole lot that changed schematically that I noticed. I don't know that that players were necessarily reasoning because he had some young players get in right lobbyists. -ly Sherman goes down Keller Witherspoon gets in there. DJ read played a good number snaps, but those players didn't play like especially well when they were out there. So it wasn't like you had somebody coming off the bench and kind of changing the game a little bit in having some sort of spark there. So I, I don't know. I mean to me, the only thing that I could really fall back on is that maybe the chief is kind of like let off the gas a little bit, and I think there's also just an element of they weren't gonna continue to score every drive. Right? You have five, five touchdowns on five. Like even against shitty NFL defense's. It's just very unlikely that a team's going to go eight nine drives in a game in score touchdowns on every single one of them. Right. So I think there was this kind of a natural. Well, they're not gonna continue to be that good. So I don't know. I was there anything in your mind? The kind of stuck out to me. There wasn't a whole lot to point to know. There wasn't a lot. I think when when you get out into the third quarter, their first third down that force them to punt was a dropped pass by Conley. And I think that the team probably started executing a little better, but I do think the sorted relying more on the run game and that honestly, if the Niners defense can do one thing, it's actually stopped the run done fairly well this season. And so I do think it was probably more of them putting their or taking their foot off the gas. But you look at some of the players that got into to play a little bit later in the second half akilah with us. Forty snaps, DJ fifty one at free safety. I would love to think that it was because those young players came in. And offered something to the defense at other players did not. But I don't think that was the case. Neither of those players had a remarkably good game in the second half. And so I don't know that it was really much of anything that stopped the chiefs, but well, the chiefs and honestly the Niners success and keeping their defense on the field a bit longer giving their defense, I think, probably helped as well. So I think that takes us to the elephant in the room and the question that I got more frequently on Twitter this week, which was about Robert Sala and whether or not he's a good defensive coordinator. So where do use down Sala right now, do you think that we know enough about his coaching ability to deem him a good defensive coordinator, or do you think they're still more information together? Do you think it's stuff? I think that I'm still kind of this is something that I kind of gone back and forth on. I think that we're probably still in a need more information to feel really confident in. Kind of an evaluation of him going forward. But I will say that there are some things that seem pretty inexcusable to me that he's been doing that have. So again, we talk about defense. There's only so much you can do from scheme standpoint, a lot of its player driven talent driven there. But as a defensive coach, what you should be doing is being able to identify the players that are on your roster that are actually good in what they do well in at least putting them in position to do those things. Well, I think there are some very obvious to me examples where he's not doing that. I started the defensive line, his defensive line rotations so far through the first three weeks have been very frustrating. I think you see players getting snaps, don't make a whole lot of sense. Even in sub packages even gets their nickel. They're still having a nose tackle on the field, the large majority of the time like you still see either Earl Mitchell DJ Jones out there in in your kind of wasting snaps at that point. I don't know if it's because he's too concerned about stopping the run or what exactly the motivation is behind that. But the fact that you're seeing somebody like Earl Mitchell, get more interior snaps in your sub packages to rush the passer than Solomon. Thomas is just completely insane to me like, I don't know how you can possibly justify moves like that. I think to further the point you think that it's a blend rotations in issue. I think Malcolm Smith is an issue. If you look at him, I think that they paid him handsomely, which is a problem with both call Shanahan and John Lynch. But I can only imagine that that was driven in large part by Robert Sala. They probably said Robert Sala, who do you want? He said, getting outcome Smith and then Malcolm's with got some offer that was way overblown robbers. I still need that dude. And so they paid them twenty hundred million dollars, giving them fullback money and. And so it's sad, but it's true, it is. It is, but you look at knocking with and you look at the the game against Kansas City was really his first set of meaningful snaps with forty Niners because he's been injured for the entire last year and most of the burgeoning year and twenty eighteen his twenty nine point, nine grade against Kansas City was by far the worst grade on defense against Kansas City. There were clear lapses. I've already mentioned one of them. He didn't carry his defender, Kelsey on a play that it was pretty obvious that you should have. I mean, he's supposed to be matching on that play, and that is a play that he should know what his responsibility is. I also tweeted out of play where I called Earl Mitchell to your point a sliding glass door because he's not the best nose tackle on the team. It's probably DJ Jones, but there's a missing player in the gap who's likely that player based on the way the defense is structured. It's probably not Smith just gonna. Go ahead and put that out there. So you look, you look at his assignments by large, and there's a reason as great as that low, it's because he is missing assignments and. And if you're looking at a difference of coordinator who saying, this is my guy, this is the guy trust. Then that's like your boss or your supervisor, your VP saying, I'm going to put this guy in charge because he's amazing. Why? Because I had a few beers with him a couple of years ago. We had a great night that doesn't make him a good person work. It just doesn't. And the people who promote their friends or people they like are not necessarily the best at their job. Robert solid jobs identifying talent and putting them in the best position to win as you said and he his, he's consistently not doing that. And that I think is the most worrying part definitely. I think Malcolm Smith and Earl Mitchell are the two biggest examples of like put. It goes deeper than that though, because you've got Eric Armstead. Leo we all knew that was going to be album. Everyone. The whole world knew Eric garner said, Leo that's going to be a disaster and sure enough. It was, yeah. And again, I think like any some of those would even I would even say justifiable like, right, like we were on the subset of people that thought that Solomon Thomas was worth trying on the edge, right? That thought. That there was the athleticism there based on the way that he tested in kind of look during those situations in college and there's positional value there. So if he if he hits edge, you play him at right. It's much better to have a better player on the edge than it is in the interior. So yeah, definitely worth giving him a shot, but it became very clear that that wasn't his best spot, right? You see him move inside and he just feels much more natural there in as much more productive when he's on the inside. And so I don't know at this stage how you're still not giving him those snaps. And so I think you, you see players like Earl Mitchell, Malcolm Smith, and they got these kind of bigger contracts for what I think they were actually worth in their these veteran players. And it's one thing if you're like, okay, these guys we want to have around there good locker room players. We think that they can help teach this largely very young defense in kind of help mentor them. That's fine. Every snap that they're on the field as a waste. There is a better player on the bench that should be there in their place. On this defense is just like being wasted out there. Again, real Mitchell getting like half the snaps or something like that. In again, largely like it's not all basically he's not out there. Just being a nose tackle. He's out there when you should have a pass rusher like the number of snaps that you're getting Solomon Thomas, Eric, Armstead, deforest Buckner all in the field of the same time is way too low. I just don't know how you justify some of those decisions. This was the first game where Solomon Thomas got more than fifty percent of the defensive snaps. The first game out of three, and that I think is is is just not right. It's not good town and still though largely like even when he's out there like still largely on the edge right only getting a handful of snaps inside in just like it's not enough in when you see him win on the inside relatively consistently when he put him in there, like I don't know how you don't decide that something you need to do. More of it definitely has maddening. I think that there are. I'm not sold that. He's a good coach. I don't think there are issues necessarily with his scheme. I do think his decisions are poorly made. I think you look personnel decisions, but then also you look at some of the defensive calls that it uses to make cover three deep in the red zone is a dumb call. There's no way to say it's just a dumb call. There's too much ground for that safety to cover in a compressed area for cover three for peer covered three to be an effective strategy in the red zone gave up a touchdown, and yet consistently calls cover three in the red zone. It is maddening, absolutely maddening. And so I think that his decision making is suspect and so that I think is going to be the albatross at hangs around his neck and up until I see. Otherwise, I think I'm, I think I have enough information to say that Robert cells decision making his questionable, especially around personnel, and especially around certain defensive calls in the red zone. He can overcome those as a coach. He still has time, but I worry that it's too much time than the forty Niners have to give, although they've got one more season to give. We just we just earned another season of development and we didn't so much fun. We did. There was a bright spot against Kansas City because the run game was especially effective against the chiefs. Matt Breda had another strong day. He averaged nine yards a carry offered Morris, had a bit better day, even though he didn't have as Godley of stat line David, you extol the virtues of the running game. You think the running game is these single most important Parham in of NFL football, you think it's going to bring football into the modern era running the football. Why was the running game? So effective against the chiefs. I have heard that you do have to establish the run and maybe even stop the run in order to be a playoff team. Is that a thing friend of the pod George Shahuri he says that you establish the play action in the preseason Aussies offseason offseason. Bye. Bye. Just slathering news feeds with about how you're gonna run the you can run really sets it up the Niners. I exit awful stuff. I believe Robert Sala buys into the hype actually tries to stop the run in an era where you don't. I believe Cal Shanahan doesn't care and would rather pass, but still against the chiefs. The running game was effective, and I do think it was because of the effect of the tackles might mcglinchey had a pretty good game. He had a run block rate of eighty four point seven, and he did a very good job. Probably one of his better games against the run game in the run game. And Joe Staley looked more like his former self. You had runs on both the left and the right from that Breda on the outside that broke for big gains one behind Staley. The other behind the Lynch e the Niners run game. Now, Embiid extras, you can't just pick words going to run and stack against one side, and that's because of the play of the tackles. And I think that that this exactly what the team wanted when they drafted might mcglinchey and they're getting it, and I think that they're getting better play from person. I think. Tomlin's is a better guard than when we originally acquired him from Detroit and all that Ditz you a better run game because you ultimately just have a better offensive line that's better equipped to block in the run game. Definitely. I think you look at a breed is most successful runs in. It is on those runs that are kind of on the edge right now going off left end. So outside to the left where Joe Staley is going to be at nine point three yards per carry, they're out to the right end seven point one yards per carry. So those Ed runs where breed is really ripping off kind of those big chunks of yards. And I think, yeah, absolutely. That's something that they've been doing well right now for whatever run blocking worth right now. They're the third highest graded run block team in the league right now through three weeks. It's probably one of the things that they're doing best right now. So absolutely. That's something that's been kind of a strong point for them. Something that was obviously very effective in this game when they were able to. Go to it and I think, yeah, you look at the personnel, like you mentioned is largely set up for them, I think, is in a much better spot for what Shanahan really wants in that area. All right. So what happens now, let's get to the actual big thing that happened in the game. Of course, Jimmy Garoppolo tore his ACL doing the thing that he should never do. Don't cut back against any defender in the NFL. Just don't run out of bounds. Run out urban back your. That's exactly what your quarterback for reason. I know you used to be a linebacker, and that was cool. Guess what? So did I meet you? It doesn't. We're not large. People know we are not. That doesn't mean I'm gonna. Go try and body some NFL cornerback just because I can come back. I get a yard or two not going to happen. No, not even not even in the flag football games that I play. Do I try and cut back on the sideline just goes, yeah, me I'm ducking out of bounds. Any like that like, no, just it's not worth it? No, not at all. So Jimmy, Garoppolo. Tears. ACL we have, I guess five ACL's between the three of us one whole missing ACL. Did we learn out? Yeah, hit math checks out. I'm not gonna math on the fly, but Jimmy Garoppolo season is now over. We are basically two and a half games in to the season where Jimmy Garoppolo is supposed to break out. Did we learn anything new about Jimmy Garoppolo after these two and a half games, or are we left in the same place that we were after last year with what we hope to gain from our franchise quarterback? I don't. I don't think we learned a whole lot three games. I do have a kind of larger takeaway from the past game, but it will save that for minute rates looking. It's kind of some of the common criticisms of him through these first regains in it's stuff like he's holding onto the ball too long. I don't think there's a whole lot there to support that. Right. So time to throw right now or through his his time, this season about two point six seconds, which is on the upper half of things, but it's not absurd. It's not like one of the highest in the league. I think that the thing that people are latching onto their is his time to throw when he sacked when he sacked, it's because he's in the pocket for five, six, seven seconds and against the -troit's. Some of the sacs that he did take were those high second sacks. And I think that there's probably another issue there that I know that we're gonna get to. So I'll let you continue, but but I think that they're talking. So I think that's part of it. And I think that's something that you should kind of expect Channa fences to be right. They don't run a lot of quick game stuff. So of all of Jamie's drawbacks. Only seven drawbacks have a quick game, which is basically the three steps stuff the the old school west coast stuff. Right? So whenever they're using that kind of three step timing, whether there in the gun or under center, it doesn't really matter. But those sort of quick routes where they're looking to get the ball out, only seven of those out of like, I think one hundred seventeen drawbacks or something like that. So it's not a large part of the offense right now. Shanahan really's like seven percent, less percent on the fly math. It's a small number, right? It's not something that they do a whole lot. You think of Shanahan's offense. It's play action, right? So play actions, longer developing further downfield routes, and that's backed up by his average dipped target. His average death of target was around ten yards which was one of the highest in the league, not quite Patrick Mahomes level, which is at like twelve or something like that absurd, but still they're looking to push the ball downfield. It's really the intermediate area that's the big area that they want to attack in the passing game. So that's kind of natch. Literally going to lend itself to hold on the ball little bit longer than average because you're you need time to let that stuff develop. So I don't think that's a whole lot there. The accuracy, I don't think also is really changed a whole lot from last season lassie's any was one of the most accurate passers in in football this year based on all the ball occasion charting stuff that we're doing still was top ten in basically every split. So maybe not quite as good as he was during that five game stretch, but not low enough to say like, whoa, there's a huge problem here. Right? It could be just this is a weird small sample, but still largely very good there. So yeah, I think ultimately, like I, when I look at it, the passing game is a whole. I don't see a whole lot from Jimmy. That changes my opinion of him based on what I had coming into the season. I think there are two things that we are probably and that I think forty Niners media has undersold in terms of its effect on the forty Niners passing game. I think the first is the quality of the defenders that. That the forty Niners have gone up against the Vikings defense has been very good. And while they had some up down games, they have quality corners and they Harrison Smith had a fantastic immigrants forty Niners in week one, and it was still a game that was within striking distance for the forty Niners which I think just goes to show how good Shanahan's game plan and scheme was. But then you look at the lines and you look Darius, slay a cornerback, free safety. As I said, last week, David, you weren't here last week, but I was looking at a depth chart and thinking of a name and reading another. And I basically said the Jerry sleigh was a free safety. He's not that I know, but I think that the the cornerback quality and I think Matt Patricia game plan was very good. He said, all right, I'm gonna. Go ahead and cover these wide receivers man to man because I don't think they're going to beat my corners and quite frankly didn't. And I think that the that's one thing that is important to note. The other thing which I think exacerbates at issue is that marquees Goodwin is Jimmy Garoppolo security. Winkett those a throw humane against Kansas City where Jimmy Garoppolo he throws a ball on time in a fantastic location to Markey's Goodwin and Marcus Goodwin catches the ball and the moment he catches the ball. He gets hit by the coming downhill. It's a reception. It's a first down. It's tight window throw. I don't know if you graded as tight. When I throw in my mind, it was a tight window through, but overall, those are the kinds of throws. I don't think he trusted other wide receivers to make, and I don't think that other wide receivers had the speeder route ring in order to do that Carson's at different kind of wide receiver. Definitely Pettus had some of those routes and he got himself open any kind of couple of great passes against some of these DB's. But but overall, I think that the lack of market Goodwin in these in these in half of the Mike ings game and in the lines game really affected Jimmy Garoppolo. And I think that goes to show that really, really good wide receivers and really good wide receiving corps or really good wide receiving corps is really needed to beat some of the defensive game. The forty Niners are going to see that. Yeah, I think so. That's kind of my larger takeaway right with the passing game. And so I think it this stage if you're playing a lot of zone coverage against Cal Shan offense, you're just asking to be destroyed right? Like it's just not going to work like he's going to be able to get guys free in being is going to be able to take advantage of some of the weak spots in those coverages. So I think you're gonna see a lot of teams really take that lines approach, right? Where they're going to play a lot of main coverage. They're going to play a lot of cover one, especially. So I don't know if you remember back to some of the scheme month episodes that we've done. But we talked about single high defenses in kind of why they're valuable in from pass game standpoint. It's because they protect the middle of the field. Right. So you think about cover one, and it's really, you're getting the deep safety in the middle of the field. Typically, unless you're bringing some sort of blitz, you're getting another defender to kind of Rome underneath and be able to jump routes there. And so it's really strong in the middle of the field and you kind of four. Quarterbacks to throw to the outside and make some tougher more difficult throws out there. And so I think that's kind of a strategy that you're gonna see teams take against the forty Niners because Jimmy Garoppolo is a quarterback right when we went through his profile, and this is what he's very good at. The thing that we saw last year was just incredible at throwing to receivers were open or to step a separation. Right? Was incredibly accurate in those situations and just rarely missed on those chances ready at a few deep ones where that was kind of an issue last year. But largely if a receiver was open, he was hitting them and they were getting some yards out of it. And so I think that is still largely been the case this year, the differences, there are fewer open receivers. You're seeing more throws at have to go into tight coverage more throws where contested situations, and those are kind of the difference in his performance. If you look in, if you're looking for differences in like box score numbers, they're like, why is his all of his stats down. Like, I think that's the biggest driver for me is that there's more throws in tight coverage, and those are just more difficult for every single quarterback. They're not going to be as good throwing in those situations, those situations or less stable. So they're going to be a more wider variants from season to season on those type of passes. And so that's kind of a thing that I've noticed this year as receivers. Overall, a group that I thought was going to be pretty good is kind of disappointed in haven't really been getting open the way that I would expect them to do that. If we're talking about the, if we're talking about this in the context of the chiefs game, the chiefs offense is not. You can't just dismiss it offense as like, well, what about the defense? The chiefs offense is fantastic. What what they did against the Niners what they've been doing so far in this league is remarkable. I mean, I tweeted out of play of an RPO where they had to. They were attacking two different levels on the backside of the run, and it was just an amazing play down down to the fact that they ran a sweep. So. So that the offense of Lyman didn't get down field too quickly to allow the second level route to develop. So you didn't get a penalty. The play was beautifully designed and it ended up hitting on the second deep post or really a slightly deeper slant. Really? That's is amazing. The running some staple concepts, their screen game was amazing. That screen game that they ran on third down where Travis Kelsey, Renna middle screen, but it looked like they had to other options sakes. Yeah, faked outside to one faked back to the side on, I think it was hill or a went to the screen and went, yeah, and that it's fully designed to go to Kelsey in the middle. It not intended to go to the others. They had so many window-dressing items that it was like. I don't know what I'm looking at. Oh, God. Kelsey has got a first down. The play design is amazing. Mahomes executing a high level. He is playing quarterback at an elite level. The scary thing was like this was by far probably worse game of the season. Yes. And he missed? Yeah, there were some could have been worse. He miss him guys. Downfield absolutely hasn't dropped, hey, at. At least one drop pass that resulted in a punt. So I think that you can't take this game away from the chiefs. They had a fantastic game plan, but I do, I think at the end of the day, think that despite Robert solace poor decision making like another thing on the decision making fire, there was a play where Roberts gonna to blitz two players off of the left side of the offense, but it's false start chiefs, get a penalty. Okay. And then they don't run the exact same play, but they're in a very, very similar pressure package where it's pretty obvious that you're going to pressure off that same side and blitz two guys. Andy Reid called the screen to the other side because he's like, well, if they're going to blitz and they're going to call the same play for this false start, then we're going to run the screen and they pick up the first down. That's just basic playcalling. That's Madden button mashing. I'm gonna call the exact same play again. When you've got to think to yourself, they saw front, they sub, we were going to do. We have to change it up here. So so I think that when when when we're recap in the chiefs game, I think yes, Robert Sala absolutely is to. When it comes to his decision making in terms of personnel end of his play calls, especially in the red zone. But I do think that execution was also equally at fault because you can't have during Colbert running and Perreault ads and falling down. You can't more spin moves in coverage. I don't know what you're talking. Yeah, exactly. So I do think that you know, you can't have him Smith out there messing up assignments. And I do think that the Niners were able to get back into it because of their run game because they can execute some things very well. And ultimately, I think the biggest loss of the game was was, of course Garoppolo and, and now I guess the question is what happens now, the Niners have talked about bringing in other players. And so I guess in one sentence, tell me why the Niners should or should not bring in another quarterback to backup CJ beat hard and old, Nick Mullins. It doesn't matter as long as they don't trade. And that's the main thing which thankfully Shanahan came out and said, that's not an option. They're looking to explore if you wanna bring in a veteran to to be a backup because you don't trust Nick Mones yet. Fine. Like whatever. I don't think there's a lot of difference between those two options, but you're not bringing in somebody that's going to change your outlook for this season, right? You're going to roll a CJ Beathard in that is going to be what it is and it's probably not gonna be great, but this team is it's not like you have a team that's ready to contend and we need to go and replace our quarterback. You know, it's not like the Vikings last year word Bridgewater goes down. Okay. We need to go get somebody that can still be good enough because the rest of this team is ready to go. The Niners aren't in that spot. Yeah, I think as long as I think you ride beat hard as long as you can and then it's Nick Mones time in bring on the malls. I'm here for preseason hero. I wanna see the preseason and the regular season. Let's do it. Honestly, Nick Mullins looked like the best quarterback on the team in the preseason, and you know what? My small. My small sample rejection means Nick Mones is going to be phenomenal in the regular season checked out. Absolutely. All right. Gimme your spotlight player for the game because there were some bright spots. There were some players that played remarkably well, and we're gonna highlight them right now. So gimme your spotlight player. So actually just realize this when I realized this was the next thing on the list. I change my spotlight player now because Jared stole mine the first time around. So. Jarrod. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Jared. Sorry, not. Sorry. Actually, I'm excited talk about George kill. So George kiddle is is going to be the spotlight player for me. I think really has just been probably the strongest part of this offense. So far through the first three weeks had a great game in this one had a what ninety. Two overall grade was on our our team of the week. This week just is really balled out. And I think your second out of three weeks. He's greater elite, right? He's had two out of three grades over ninety, which is pretty amazing. Yeah, he's again, he is the focal point of this offense right now. He's the one guy that is consistently kind of getting open and making plays downfield. So yes, so far has not to over ninety bit at ninety two. And this one had an eighty two in the first one. So has been has been playing overall very well. I think you see what he's doing after the catch too, because this was something. That I think we were kind of hoping for. Right. Like when we talked about kiddle when we first got when I got drafted, it's, he's got all athleticism was the number one spark tight end in that draft class is really kinda freaky athlete. And so seen what he can do after the catch, I think has been very impressive average nearly ten yards after the catch per reception in this game. I think he forced, I want to say like four or five miss tackles. I think if you're looking for a place emblematic it's the play where he catches the ball and avoids like defender and ends up getting the first down, even though it cut the past with three or four yards before the stick. So his his ability to shift and move and pick up yards and Gennifer stand because I think that was a third down play and getting the Niners continuing. It ends up continuing the dry for the forty Niners, and I want to also take a moment to defend him that I catch that. I passed to him not a drop. It's not a drop defender. Hit that out. All right. So we're not giving them a drought for that defender. Knocked it out. I'm gonna go ahead and say, he's got to have strong hands. Can do we want, but he didn't get Madrid for that. Some of the good throw that out there. That's. Yeah. So I think again, he's been a player that I've been really excited about for a while. He was a guy that I chose is of my breakout player on offense when we did season preview. You know how many weeks ago that was. And so it's just been nice to see him kind of come out play very well be a big part of the offense and kind of be a player that is what we expected them to be narrow mice. While I player my spotlight player this week is going to be none other than one Mr. Vance McDonald Vance McDonald, the crusher of souls catch touchdowns the most favorite person in all of David's universe had the best game of his career, and I figured who better to discuss that game than you one Mr. David Newman touch me about how awesome venture Donald is. I mean, I will say that like watching that play my soul hurt just a little bit. So I can only imagine how Chris Conte fell. He literally, he literally stiff armed dude onto injured reserve, like just into the earth's, like through the ground. It was like it was almost like his stiff arm caused some like Bain level shit with whatever it was going on with Heinz Heinz field, their dislike starts falling apart. It is what it felt like. I don't know. I mean, honestly, it's a miracle that he caught the fucking ball to begin with even make that happen. So what's a miracle is that someone in my in my college buddies, daily fans league actually started Vance McDonald and helped ride him to. I think he ended up in third place or whatever he said is secretly a Steelers blogger. No, he is not. But he did said his lineup, eight minutes before the deadline. And so I think he was probably just trying to fit random players in and he looked out ended up, I think, finishing third or maybe fourth, but yet. So Vance McDonald is actually not my spotlight player, although I do and will forever take every opportunity to get you to rant about Vance Donald. But my actual player is one mister Kyle us check still have to look his name up on the Google, spell it correctly in the show notes. But I think he played the best game of his of his of this year against Kansas City. He had fifty snaps and I think that he's becoming an equal weapon. Finally, in the passing game, he's got those routes that he apparently runs every now and again. That puts them wide open on the sideline. And you know what? That's all. You need them to do a good forty. Fifty order out, get into the end zone. I think it's great. I was actually surprised at the number of snaps that he played this week. Fifty snaps, not nothing. He didn't come out field often, and I think a big piece of that is because of his success as a pass blocker as well as a run blocker when you think of what a running back does in the passing game. This is why we were attracted jerick McKinnon in the off season. It's because his pass block. Great. It was also just as high as receiving. Great. And I think that's the territory that chick is entering where he's actually becoming a fairly good pass blocker and that means he doesn't have to come field and that means that the offense becomes a bit more multiple because you don't tip your hand with formations. So I think that while I'm not ready to declare the fullback back and football, I think call us check as a player for the forty Niners offense has actually done some good things and he had a really good game against can't city. Yeah, I think one one thing that I would add with him that it will be interesting going forward is especially at Breda is kind of banged up in. I don't know what his situation. Is going to be going forward, but they're kind of without a strong receiving back right now. Right without McKinnon. And so one of the things that he did in Baltimore that's kind of appealing his. He was often the third down back often pass blocking ready, wasn't always going out in the routes. Sometimes be a check down. It was largely, we're gonna go six-man protection here and use checks going to be the back. That's in the situation. I think you could see that sort of thing going forward for the forty Niners. Also one thing to note with him to if he does end up with that sort of role. CJ Beth third targeted running backs on his throws more than at a higher rate than any quarterback. We have in our database going back in two thousand six last season. So he's going to throw running backs the ball of they're on the field. And so I would expect if he's going to continue to get some of those snaps that he's going to see a pretty solid volume of passes coming his way. You don't get fantasy advice often on this show, but we told you bet the. Over for the Kansas City game, which isn't fancied by spending advice, and that turned out to be true. And we told you to get George kill in your fantasy leagues and the season that turned out to be true. All I'm saying is you might wanna target afford and enters running back in the passing game. If you're in a PR league, you're in a deep league, absolutely. Should be doing honorable mentioned to Richard Sherman. He was he was your original spotlight player before you went up and stole Jared spotlight player straight the've, George kindle from underneath Jared, which he was mine. I okay, that's fair. But but nevertheless, Richard Sherman, give me your quick. One-sentence reason why Richard Sherman should be a spotlight player this week. He's given up one catch one hundred twenty coverage snap so far this season before he got hurt and his pass defense against Kansas City on that one post was made a good. I will say it was under thrown what those it is under throne, which you you don't wanna completely take credit away. From defender, right? Because in order for a defender to get a pass, break up in those situations and need to play it. Right. They need not get past interference, right. They need to be playing the pocket, which relatively phase he did get toasted before that, though. Let's let's be fair if that is a better throw. That's a that's a touchdown, but yet played it as well as he possibly could have in that situation and dudes just not getting targeted only six target so far, three games. I mean, the lions completely avoided his side of the field during that game. So I think so far with what we've seen is it's a bummer that he's now going to miss a couple of weeks. It looks like there, but he's been, I think, is good as you possibly could have expected coming in considering his situation. I think irrespective of where how many games he misses I am. I've set it on Twitter already, but I want to start the campaign to vote that man into the Pro Bowl. I do not want the fan vote to limit that guy from the Pro Bowl. Let's give him a million dollars. Vote for that dude. It's one of the few times fans get to decide how much player gets paid, and I want Jedi money to go to as many players humanly possible. I want Richard Sherman to get paid vote for that man for the I don't care what a stat line is. I don't care if he ends up getting roasted every snap from here to Timbuktu. I don't care vote. That man of the Pro Bowl get that man some money, and let's make it happen for an understand. I know you can do it. So let's get onto the chargers. Then let's go, let's pull a Bill Belichick and say, well, the chiefs game was much much sadness and really was. It was very, very, very sad, but it's now time to folks the next game. And the next game is with our fearless leader one Mr.. Casey, Jarrett, Beth third. It's the sequel CJ Beathard part to beat harder. Last year we beat hard, but you know, we're coming back stronger than ever. We're going to beat harder this year. Is it? Are we being beat or are we beating a little bit of both? You know, we're going to mix it up. All right. Number one question about Mr.. Miss I can't even say Tam name, Beth 'Red. Can't he throw to the left side of the field. No, that's a strong now. So I mean, this was something that we kind of identified last year little bit during his his brief stint or maybe too long of a stint as starting quarterback last year. Just really struggled with location with philosophy throwing his left side, which is a tough thing. I mean, one of the things we talked about during scheme month this year, right when we add Zac Robinson on talking about quarterback play, and in the thing that he kind of dented is the most difficult throw to make is throwing to that kind of like intermediate sideline area to your left as a right handed quarterback. Right is just a really tough throw to make, but he was especially bad throwing over there. So I mean, when you look at it was kind of bad. Yeah, it was just not great. So when you look at, I forget the snap count breakdown that I had, but forty two qualifiers in terms of targeting outside of the numbers to the left side of. The field Bathurst had the forty first grade. So the one player who was forty second, Matt Moore, that's right. I believe that right handed. It met more. I love that. The only reason that he's not actually trying out is because apparently his arm is completely gone. His arm is cooked, and so it's one of those things where it's like, all right. Well, arm actually cooked hits it or arm is the noodle arm and Kanter left. Let's just go ahead and run concepts to the right like that. This is the world we live in man. You don't be so fun. This is a game on the road. It's a game on the road in soccer stadium in a stadium where opposing fans tend to show up. And I do think that CJ Beathard has a lot of experience playing on the road because he used a tour with a band called Nickelback, and perhaps you've heard of them, perhaps you've heard of them. They want you to look at their photographs frequently and often and CJ Beathard will hold up a picture of himself playing quarterback at Iowa, and he will say, look, photograph, and. I do think that his experiences as a tour, having band member is going to serve him. Well, when he's on the road against charges key, it's gonna be. It's gonna be so much fun. I can't wait. I think no. Realistically, I think the one thing that I'm going to be looking for with Beth heard in the kind of hopefully difference between year one to year to last year. The thing that I think was most frustrating rate, which is always kind of frustrating with bad quarterback play is is not being able to take advantage of the open opportunities that are presented to right. You have an excellent offensive coach and Kyle Shanahan he's going to do. He's going to hold up his end of the bargain in terms of creating opportunities for this offense and getting guys open that most games you can Bank on that last year even when he was throwing to open receivers, you just wasn't very good. So he was still one of the lowest graded quarterbacks throwing to receivers were open or had at least a step, a separation. We're not expecting CJ Beathard to make the tough super high end tight window throws in ended too tight coverage like that's just not something that's probably realistic for him as a player. But what you would like to see progression on is those open throws. So can he take more advantage of the stuff that cow Shanahan essentially hands to him, or is he going to continues to struggle with that accuracy and miss those open players? Because if that's the case is often just doesn't have much hope are the chargers gonna give him a lot of opportunities to actually make those open throws though because you've got the chargers defense is the chargers secondary specifically has some players that you've gotta worry about. You've got during James, of course, friend of the pod. He he is doing some amazing things. His interception in the last game against the Rams was amazing. It was great. It was everything you want from Drouin. James, you've got, of course probably one of the best quarterbacks in the league in Casey, Hayward. And you've got Melvin Ingram who if you wait too long to throw the ball because those players are covered, he's going to be down your throat immediately. So I'm not sure the charges are going to give him a lot of opportunities to throw the ball to open receivers, but if they do, you've got to hope he hits those throws. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's really the only chance that they have. I mean, you're basically hoping that this chargers secondary was was excellent last year, one of the very best in the league, if not the best they haven't been maybe quite to that level so far this year, you know, Casey Hayward hasn't been quite the same. So maybe you're hoping that you're getting them kind of an off stretch of the season and that you can take advantage of some stuff there. I mean, it's going to be tough, right? You do run into a situation where I think the skill level is better on that side. And so, yeah, I think you're probably right. The expectations shouldn't be that there's going to be a lot of open receivers there. I know that you're huge fan of the run game, and I know that you are super happy. E that we spent a first round draft pick on that Breda generation raising at running back, got to get him up up in the first round. We had to get him in the first round actually to get a running back of his talent. It was. It was a sacrifice we had to make, but we were okay making it because now he is the rushing leader in the NFL and all drives wins. The didn't tell from the standings. Absolutely one hundred percent. So I know that while you are a huge fan of the running game, I do actually think that in in reality, the running game is going to be something. I think the Niners may want to lean on against the chargers to keep this game competitive because chargers do have some problems against the run. Overall, their defense is twenty six. If you look at DV away their per play visionary. But if you look at their PF grades against the run, specifically their Piff f grades, put them at the thirtieth ranking in terms of overall defense, which means that they've got some issues there. And when you look at what the Rams were able to do against the chargers, the Rams were able to gash them over and over and over again, right up the middle because they have a nose tackle. On the field. So I think the Niners have, if the Niners are going to have a chance in this game, it's going to be because CJ Beathard is going to capitalize on hitting receivers when they're open, but but it's because he's not going to have to get put an unfavorable situations because the Niners are going to be able to get positive yards and stay on schedule on first and second down with the run game, if they're able to do that, and they're able to keep the game manageable for CJ Beathard and he's not able, he's not required to have to make those tight window throws to continue to win the game. I think that's how the Niners have a chance and it's because of the their prowess in the running game and the chargers inability to stop the run that the Niners chance. Absolutely. I mean, as much fun as it is to joke about the run game, I think that is really the one hope that they have. Right. So if you think about the just kind of general underdog strategy, right? You want to shorten the game, you short in the game, you have fewer plays any army strategy? Absolutely. Like you're basically saying that we want to again, keep what is a much better offense off the field. Right? We want to try to control the ball limit. The number of plays that they have to run limited number of plays that we have to run because if you can run the ball successfully, sustained drives a little bit there and then take some shots on plaques and right, and get Jay method to take advantage of some of those opportunities like that's that's how the game script needs to go for them to have a chance to keep this game competitive or potentially pull out a win because it, yeah, obviously, asking CJ bathroom to drop back and throw forty fifty times is not going to do it. And if they get down, like that's what they're going to have to do, and it's going to be unfortunate. But yeah, absolutely. If there's a path them keeping this competitive in potentially point out a win. It's that shortening the game, run the ball type of game script. If you can was in hunt or your Philip rivers, and you're running what I like to call the yellow book. Oh offense because Philip rivers, I love that name. I don't know of anyone else's. Come up with it, but I'm gonna take credit for it. It's a yellow bull offense because Philip rivers was bolo tie and he throws the ball sometimes like just, you know what? Yolo I'm just going to throw it to Mike Williams. We have seventeen kids. Do you really give shits any more like my favorite is how who was it? That said that he had a kid in buffalo because nothing else to do that was the best good. Who was that? Oh, God, I can't remember it, but that was hilarious. Flow takes so much shit. But I think I think it was given Clark on the ringer podcasts who said, what? If Philip rivers lived in buffalo would he just have like twenty seven kids just that's this is the alternative, the alternative reality. I wanna let you remember the quote that which was amazing, which was the only thing to do in buffalo is each other. That is correct. Is just fantastic. Just an excellent piece of work there. It was joined Matthews, join the one having buffalo kids. That's exactly what it is, but, but if you're gonna wasn't hunt and your Philip rivers, where where do you attack? You're running the yellow below offense. Who do you hit? This feels like a trick question because I think the answer is wherever you want is, is that a, is that an option that option? I, I mean, I, I guess realistically you're probably looking at the outside, right? So if there is an area of coverage on the forty Niners defense right now that I think is probably strongest. You're looking to the inside where you have Reuben foster who didn't necessarily have the best first game back, but I think is very much a player that you expect to be very good in coverage consistently. Fred Warner has been ending very impressive so far through the first three weeks in his is kind of Ben everything we hoped he would be transitioning from the role he had in college as a coverage offenders. So. I think that area is something that I expect as long as those two players on the field, they should be able to match up pretty well. They're on the inside. Right. And had those those two guys take care of business, but on the outside, no, Richard Sherman you have Keller Witherspoon who has been struggling so far is kind of been dealing with stuff, which doesn't seem a bit like an overreaction that the Niners were like, hey, you know what? You had one bad game. Let's go ahead and bench you men. I, that really kind of bothered me. I'm very much hoping that that was a reaction to like a precaution for injury. Right? Because they did say that he was dealing with an angle injury. I don't know. Yes, I would love to think that, but then he ended up playing forty snaps, right? So it's like how bad could have been. I agree. I think if if you're really going off that one game, which lucky it was a rough game and we wasn't great. There's no reason to sugar coat it. He had some penalties that were there that were maybe tad questionable, but it was just kind of piling on at that point. To not give him an opportunity is good as he's been previously in his talented is he is not give him an opportunity to really bounce back from that and say that you know what we're going to go away from you think that's another poor personnel decision that I would point to defensively from Sala. But yeah, I think outside right now is the place that you're looking to attack. Right? Jimmy ward. I just don't think is a is a great outside corner, especially in this matchup where you have big physical receivers, they like to put outside guys like Mike Williams. Yeah. Mike Williams is going to eat on the outside. If he goes against anyone that is, I don't know, not good, slashing Richard, right. And then you have who even knows what's going to happen with safety safeties at this point. I mean, we've already been without Jakubowski tart for a couple of games. Now it don't know if he's going to be back. Adrian Colbert didn't practice today. Don't know what his status is going to be. So suddenly you're looking at like DJ read and what Antoinette. As the strong safety there who didn't have a great game this last week either. So it's going to be tough. I mean, the secondary's not in good shape. I will say that the not as much specific to this matchup I would really love to see Taveras more get some snaps I would do. I think at this point, if you're if you're Robert Sala and I don't know that he will do this because again, this goes back to kind of the poor personnel decision making. You've gotta understand that Jimmy ward is gone next year. You are not resigning that guy to a contract, you're just not. And so you have to play your guys and you've got to see what they've got because they're going to learn better from playing at this point. I don't know. This is where I think it's difficult for us as fans slash urine an actual paid analyst. I am. I pretend to be one on radio. I would. It's easy for us to say, I think, yes, see what you have in those guys, but these guys trying to win games and there and they've got to think to themselves. Okay. Yes. Perfect. Just have an experiment in a Petri dish aware. I'm playing these young guys, but if I don't win games, I could lose my job. And that means losing, you know, x, y, and z my family, blah, blah, blah. So I think it's difficult in that regard. I think that's why solid probably hangs onto the Malcolm Smith of the world and and plays Jimmy ward and doesn't play tar various more. But I think in a perfect world, you're thinking of the future, and this is why Shanahan has a six year deal. Solid doesn't right. I was going to say like this is in general NFL situations for coaches aren't great, right? It's just your most kind of counting the days till you're gonna get fired. It's just a matter of when not if and so I don't blame him for some of those decisions like that. If that's really what you're doing is like, hey, man, I got to try to keep my job right. And you did put out the best practice I can right now. I don't know that he's necessarily in jeopardy. I don't think that there's a lot of pressure for him to actually. Where they're looking to replace him. I don't think that Shanahan's gonna move that direction. I think they kind of know the one thing that I much appreciated about Shanahan and John Lynch so far as they seem very realistic and aware of what their situation is Bennett and given time right early on before Jimmy Garoppolo happened. They knew that this wasn't happening right away. This roster was still a little bit away. Even with Jimmy, they were still kind of trying to pump the brakes a little bit and say like, hey, we're still working on this, right? We know that this is going to be more of a long term thing, and I think that's been a realistic vision for this. And so I think while yes, you certainly don't expect them to be like, hey, we're just gonna look to tank for draft position or something like that. I think there is an element of, okay, we feel fairly comfortable. We know that this season is kind of a loss caused because we just lost our quarterback. No reasonable person is going to expect them to be able to go and compete this season for playoffs or anything like that. We do need to be realist-. In manage the situation differently than we would have Jimmy, was there and see what we have right? And find out like especially with guys like various more I feel like who's making a position change. Right. Is this going to be? We need to figure out if this is a Solomon Thomas situation where maybe that position changes in great. Maybe he shouldn't be outside corner in. We need to figure out ways to get him involve inside more as a slack guy or a safety, right? And some of the sub packages. So I think those are things that you do need to figure out at some point this season match-ups we'd be watching against the chargers because this is another thing going to steal from. Jared. Yes. I mean only because he got the chance of talk, I which is shit. I'm gonna say six years on this. I grant the ability to talk and gave Jared in that moment rate. I mean, Derwin James, George Kittle is going to be the fun one to watch. Right. I mean during James was a guy that we were very high was probably my favorite player. I mean, it was him in herald Landry. Right? At the top of the graph for me that I wanted them to look at with that that first pick. So he's been excellent so far, I think George kit again, we talked about in the spotlight session is really coming into his own and his Ben a great player so far and, and you wanna see how he handles this type of matchup. And I think it'll be interesting to see how the chargers deploy Drouin James hose Derwin. James has been playing all over the field, and I remember we joked the Derwin. James might be the best drudge or on the Niners if the matter strafford him and sure enough, she's got like what? Six pressures on the quarterback so far this season. Yeah, he's, he's killing it like he's everything that you expected him to be going into it curious everywhere. I'm curious if if the charges are going to say, you know what takeaway the the Niners number-one option, which at this point seems to be George kill, or if they're going to continue to deploy him all over the field and say, we can handle George Kitto otherwise, because how another team treats Kittle is I think an indication of how deep seem do they see him as. A product of the system or do they see him as someone who has an individual can't excel and succeed? And if so, I think they probably have James follow him in a racing because James has the ability to a race tight ends. And if they don't, then I think that tells you more about how at least the chargers defense, George kill. Definitely. And I think if they don't decide to do that, that is an area that they could potentially like the charters linebackers aren't all that good, right. Like really their strength, his come from having a great secondary heaven, great pair of Ed rushers who, thankfully there's no Joey Bosa in this game for the forty Niners. It's still have Melvin Ingram to deal with or not Melvin Ingram. That's the rain back. Melvin Gordon is running back. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So delving, okay. My bad. Don't confusing name. Multiple Melvin, multiple Melvin. So yeah, I think that is an area they decide not to really have their win, be the guy that's going to be the primary cover guy, and I could see them. It doesn't necessarily have to be every snap, right? But certainly in more critical situations on third down, once you get down into the red zone, if they happen to ever make it, they're like, those are the situations where you really expect Derwin to be able to go in kind of match up with him more one on one because he's their guy right now. Kittle is, is there go to receiver he's the most productive player. I think in this offense right now, he's the one in the middle of the field, which is the area that Cal Shanahan really likes to to attack. So yeah, I think that's the thing that I'm going to be watching for. Sure. That's absolutely going to be the marquee match up. But the the other match that I'll be watching is going to be how tackles and specifically Mike mcglinchey matches up. Against Melvin Ingram because this is going to be one of the true test for the progression for the rookie right tackle. This is a player Melvin Ingram who does move around the chargers defense. He's not gonna rush. Just specifically from one side. He moves from one side of the other. And originally we thought that mcglinchey was going to be a better run blocker than it was a pass blocker. He's up and down games in either category. He's had some games where he was about a run blocker some games or is better pass blocker, and I think going up against an elite run or pass rusher is going to be a test forum and especially protecting someone like CJ Beathard who is very, very good at being attack alling dummy, but is not someone you want to be a tackling dummy. I think it's going to be a good test. The chargers defense is on the whole, not good, but they do have fantastic pieces and you've got to expect the chargers to come in and play. A lot of men defense. They're probably going to do exactly what the lines did and CJ Beathard is going to need to be. To leverage what the scheme gets him, and hopefully the tackles can protect four him and if they can and the Niners can leverage the run game, they have a fighting chance if any one of those things falls apart, if they don't play a perfect game on offense, this game could get ugly quick. I mean, there's a reason the Niners ten and a half game a ten and a half point underdogs that's not an easy spread to cover, and so we get to prediction time. We'll, we'll go ahead and throw in Jared's prediction here because he's absent. He predicted the Niners cover the spread, but lose the game that they would probably lose ten butts and spread it was ten and a half this cover David. What do you think? I think about the same, right. I think maybe a little bit different game script than what Jared had in mind from what we were talking about before. I think it's more of a blowout early. Honestly, like I think that they're going to be able to, they're going to struggle to to be able to stop the chargers offense and you're gonna see them kind of do. Whatever they want for most of the game. And so I could definitely see a situation where they get up big early, kind of like the Kansas City game. And then maybe in the second half, something like that. When things slow down a bit, you see the forty Niners get some kind of garbage time points there and make things look a little bit closer than it actually was. I'm going to go cover in loses well, just because I mean ten and a half points lot. Ten points is a lot. You're usually not looking to bet on that. It's not the smart pick to go like, that's really their kind of entice you that this is an uneven matchup. There's not a lot of games you're going the buffalo route same Buffalo's. You can't cover fourteen points or what was sixteen and a half as what it was for Buffalo's not great. Yeah, I don't think they cover. I don't think they cover and they lose. Obviously I think they end up losing by thirteen points maybe fourteen and while I would love to say that the Niners have it in them to cover the spread. I just I think they would have had. I think this would have been a tough game for them to win even if Jimmy Garoppolo or in just because of the way of thing would have out. And I think was third in there. It just makes it all the more difficult. So I think at this point it's top season ma'am, were fallen in to fall, and I'm going to have an elegant tank a very elegant tank because while I do not think in any way shape or at the forty Niners coaches are intentionally losing is a fan from the outside, think we should lose gracefully and go ahead and say the elegant tank is that if you wanted to kind of start watching some Nick Bosa tape for months, the elegant ink is indeed a waste of your time. It's indeed back. It's a thing we're back and honestly, hey, this could be a blessing in disguise. This could be a lost year. We gain more talent. We get an edge rusher and now we go after the league and take it by storm in twenty nineteen. When Jimmy Garoppolo is going to be thirty seven. Come on? Yes, not that old. No, no. On he, he won't retire before Brady. Maybe maybe maybe plot twist. CJ Beathard takes league by storm ends up taken the Niners state Nate. They still miss the playoffs, but he has such a great year, the Niners trade him to New England, four draft capital man, and then he becomes the parent Brady and all of a sudden you have a Beth erred Garoppolo Super Bowl, and it is beat harder, three beat the hardest. Here's what I will say. Last thing that just reminded me of, I've actually been very against. We both kind of been on the same page here against trading, Eric Armstead in Jimmy ward, even though there was likely that they were going to move on. I mean, obviously we have all the injuries in the secondary right now. Jimmy wars, some snaps, right? Like he just you need when you're a competitive team, you need that sort of depth rate you want. Like even though they may seem like a little redundant without a. A clear home right now, like you're going to deal with injuries, having those type of players to be able to go to is valuable that no longer matters this year. They're not going to be good and competitive on the whole this season. Like if you can flip those players. Like again, I still think Jimmy ward is valuable piece for a lot of teams. I think Eric arm set as talented player. They just don't seem to be players that have a long-term fit on this team. If you can flip them for something for for mid round, pick anything like, I think that's something that you need to really explore before the trade deadline. All I'm saying is it's magic, could use a little bit award of his life is just what I'm saying. I think that is it for this week's edition of the better rivals podcast. Part two of the same episode. I think we're not too deep. We've done this twice. It's been great especial things to guess. Jared Brown, who was not here with us. He was with us in spirit. I swear. I'm gonna post the episode just with the blanks for Jared, we'll have moments, audio, audio, silence. Jared, but you can always follow me at better rivals. 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Instant Reaction: 49ers win game, lose Bosa, Garoppolo and more

Niners Nation

22:34 min | 7 months ago

Instant Reaction: 49ers win game, lose Bosa, Garoppolo and more

"Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports check it out at sports betting dime dot, com. I'm Rob Stats Guerrero this is the niners nation instant reaction podcast. And well. I find myself in the unbelievable position of having to talk about A. Bittersweet. Thirty one to thirteen forty nine ers win. I don't know what's going on I. Don't know how we got here. I don't know if somebody has a Voodoo doll somewhere and just jamming opin into anyone in a forty niners jersey. You know by now the injuries fast and furious potentially five starters gone for the forty niners in addition to depot already being out and Richard Sherman already being out and kid already being out it was Sickening watching, that game. Nick Bosa. Likely, gone for the year with a Tornado Sialkot Shannon said after the game Jimmy Garoppolo has a high ankle sprain. He only played the first half. I've seen four to six weeks for Jimmy as far as timeline with a high ankle sprain. So you never know what those things could be could before weeks could be longer. He. Most has a knee injury. Luckily, cow Shanahan said it is not a torn ACL but his knee is acting up. dre Greenlaw went down punt coverage Psalm and Thomas likely has a torn ACL although Kyle Shanahan did say. It's possible that it's not a tornado, seattle but likely. I've never seen anything like that. I have never seen anything like that in a single game. It is literally like. seahawks fans are somehow pulling the strings and trying to design the exact worst way for the forty niners to start a season. It's incredible. Incredible. And I know the forty niners? One, thirty, one thirteen. But I tweeted as soon as Bosa went down I, mean the outcome of the game is irrelevant. It's irrelevant. Bo says injury. It's a crusher. Changes the entire. Defensive Scheme for the forty niners for the rest of the season. Because, they can't do what they are built to do that built pressure with four in the secondary takes advantage of that while they can't do that now because you're not getting that kind of pressure without Nick Bosa. And D Ford who's already out and Ford could be a long term thing to we still haven't heard on that. So it is incredible. Before we get into some of the long term impacts of the injuries and what I think the forty niners have to do going forward. Let's zero in on this game a little bit Jimmy Garoppolo was good. He played the first half most of it on a high ankle sprain he was fourteen of sixteen, hundred, thirty, one yards threw two touchdowns no interceptions hundred and forty point four quarterback rating. He was getting a ball quick now granted again, some of that was because he really couldn't move was very very hobbled in this one. But he got it out. Quick. Re moster only played the first half, but he started game out with a bang with an eighty yard touchdown two weeks. He most had had a seventy six yard receiving touchdown and an eighty yard rushing touchdown. That's insane. So. Much of the offense goes through him. Jordan reed fantastic especially in the red zone to really acrobatic one acrobatic touchdown. I should say made another nice touch doncaster short pass but. He was wonderful. Seven catches, fifty yards like I said, two touchdowns. Great. Some guys that came in or had to step up when people got hurt did play. Well, Fred Warner was everywhere everywhere making plays in this game all over the field I. think he had like twelve tackles. They're gonNA need him to step up. I can't believe what has happened. You know. All these teams that make the super. Bowl, and then lose the Super Bowl and then don't get back to the playoffs the next year. This is exactly how it happens. You drop a game should win in the first week. And then knee injuries start piling up you know things little things don't go your way, and this is how you wind up with a law season and looked forty niners are one and one. There's still plenty of games to go but man. Right now obviously. It's dark. There's no other way to put it. It's dark. I'm sitting there watching this game. And I'm just counting the second down. I. Don't think I've ever wanted a game to end as badly as I wanted the time the take off the clock in this game. And then I realized we gotta go back there next week now. They installed a new field this week at the stadium and Metlife Stadium. Kyle, Shanahan said, he was concerned about it earlier in the week. That's part of the reason he put Deebo on I R and Richard Sherman because he knew two of the three games, they would be on artificial turf and the players Shanahan said after the players were concerned about it they were talking about it. It was very sticky. They said, and a lot of times with ACL's that's what happens. Your foot gets planted in the ground and then you get twisted or you get knocked over in an awkward angle and your foot doesn't turn with your body and that's how ligaments tear and that's exactly what happened to nick, Bosa So what are these injuries mean going forward well. The forty niners have some decisions to make number one but I think all the narratives with this team are about to be tested. Every single thing that people were saying about them before the season is going to be tested. Cows Shannon and can get anybody open. Well, we're going to find out 'cause Kiddo may not be there dubose not going to be their most cert- may not be there. So we'll see. I'll Jimmy Garoppolo. replaceable. Nick mones do just as good. Okay. Okay. We're GONNA find out. Child in Sade after the game. But when he was talking about mullins play, he said he'll get better next week with more preparation. To. Me means he knows Jimmy's not going next week. That's the only way. MOEN's would get preparation usually backward. Don't even get a snap during the week. Site he may have let the cats slip out of the bag a little bit there. We'll find out about Mohan's grant. County. Is In his glory right now because he's Nick mullins. Stan. While we're gonNA find out gramp. Let's see what he can do. 'cause he's GonNa play, and maybe from I mean it could be you month he might get in there Robert. Solace great defensive coordinator. Some people thought he should have been a head coach to at the year. They had last year. We're GONNA find out Bosa gone. Sherman's Gone Salman Thomas Probably Gone D Ford. Gone. Okay. You know we've seen. Bilbao check come up with great defenses with a star players because he knows how to scheme. Well, let's find out. We will see Robert Solemn knows how to scheme because his players are down You could tell after the game to kyle was just like gutted. You've never seen a coach look like this after thirty one to thirteen win I mean they won thirty one to thirteen you'd never know it. I can't imagine what he's thinking right now you're starting quarterback your number one receiver down. You're starting tight end down your starting running back down you're starting center down your backup center down I mean for the forty niners on offense. The most important position on the most important person at just about every spot in the offense is injured the can't go. Who Your number one person on Defense Bosa he's out who's your number two person on defense probably Fred Warner but you could argue Richard Sherman he's out who's your number to pass on Defense de Ford he's out everything is going to get tested for the forty niners. And they have to play another game on this earth. You could see started just pulling starters out of the game midway through the fourth quarter he was getting people out of their US terrified they. WE'RE GONNA, lose more people, and now they got to play another sixty minutes his feel. What do you do? I mean, if you have George Kit next week, I, know he's going to be begging to play. But how do you how do you put him on their field knowing he's already got a compromise knee? How do you do it? I don't think you should. If you lose. Okay. Jordan look good today I. Think you try and Gut it gut it out with Jordan Reed. And that's going to be the question for the forty niners going forward right let's get into that a little bit. You have all these injuries. So who's going to step up and we saw a little bit of it today Jerick McKinnon he's going to have to step up. And he was pretty good today he had a third and thirty one that he converted. He ran fifty five yards and got the first down now part of that is because the jets the jets but he's still looked pretty good. Three carries for seventy seven yards like I said, most of that came on one run. The. Didn't have any catches in this game did have a target but no catches. Scored a touchdown. Okay. Tevin Coleman stunk. Fourteen carries twelve yards. stunk any was banged up also. He mustered had eight carries for ninety two yards. He averaged eleven and a half yards a carry Jerick McKinnon average twenty south twenty five point seven yards a carry tevin coleman average point nine yards per carry to the forty nine make a move at running back. Probably, not because Kyle love seven for some reason. But you gotta consider everything on the table. You imagine a Jordan reads going to be a huge part of the game when he's basically going to be on the KITTO plan next? Week. All the plays they put in for George, they'll put in for Jordan. Now is not the blocker Georgia's. So the running aims gonNA to for a little bit but. You have to adapt Kendrick born had four catches for sixty seven yards. He'll need to step up and he had dropped today maybe Jamie's best throw the day. Honestly. That he just got gotTa make that play when your quarterback puts it on your like that he dropped it. Now the next play made up for with you know making a nice catch making a guy miss but the big chunk plays you have to take advantage of especially now with so many guys down on offense. Already talked about Fred Warner he's GonNa have to step up defensively. I think he will I think he's ready to make that jump. I put it out there on twitter I wanted to ask you you know what? Why don't we do this? We'll take a break. And then when we come back into some of your questions on twitter. 'cause I know you have I know you're feeling the same way I am and I want to. Pick your brain a little bit. So we'll do that after the break. Sports. 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Even though it would be kinda tempting to maybe go and try and get. Trevor. Lawrence. But. After, the Game Kyle said. We can win a lot of different ways. And that's true. Maybe I mean we think offensively I think they can and I think that's really what he was thinking about to be honest with you. They can win a lot of different ways. They can still hopefully run the ball a little bit. Kills. Not going to be out all season long depots not going to be out all season. Long I you you would assume is going to get stronger as the season goes along. So I think again offensively. I think kyle thanks. Hey i. can piece it together. Even if Jimmy isn't there like I'll make it work, we'll be good enough. Can they do that defensively? ooh I duNNo. Specially with Bosa being out he changes everything. He completely affects the other teams Game Plan on defense he forces you to have to double him. He forces you to account for him. Every single play for niners don't have that now and that's big. Because other teams. Now, instead of going, how do we stop Bosa? There I thought is how do we attack that D. and that's a completely different question it's a completely different focus for guys. And puts a lot more pressure on the other guys on your defense. How about this at the faulty one just says pain. Yeah. Pretty. Much. This was like the Mr Game from rocky to. The Guy. Says, what's your prediction for the fight Mr? T. Looks into the camera prediction. Pain. That's what it was today. It was the MR T. game. Thank you at the faulty one. You made me think of that. Movie that's like fifty years old but for some reason. Comes to. mind. scrolling through now, some of the post game quotes from some of the players. Eric Armstead we were distraught when our guys went down, but we rallied and got the job done. That's true. You did for sure but you're not gonNA play the jets every week. Granted the giants are much better but Daniel Jones is a much more mobile quarterback. So the forty niners are going to have to deal with that next week. Fred. Warner. Get to step up now I know. I. Think is ready for the challenge. We're GONNA find out. I remember before last year cow Shanahan said, we have deep enough team now to be able to sustain injuries if a happen to us and they did last year, they got to the Super Bowl. Now you're one and two going into week three with potentially five starters out from this game. Man. Absolute carnage. This is what I worry about most going forward. The forty niners are now in a position where they need sustained contributions from guys. Who Haven't been able to do that in their careers, they need Jordan Reed to be on the field consistently and play at a high level they need Jerick. Mckinnon to be able to play game after game perform at a high level, Jason Verita. They could really use coming back to to perform and played a level that we've seen him play if only brief stretches. Your depending on guys with history of getting injured. To be your horses and that's never good. I don't remember a team off the top of my head where you're like, Hey, they remember that year were all those guys that always got hurt didn't get hurt and they won the super bowl like. That doesn't happen. That's the scary thing going forward. I mean I tweeted out when the both injury happened? The season's over for the forty niners. I, and I know obviously there's still fourteen games left but the season was about the super bowl for this team it was Super Bowl or Boston not just make it was win it. Can you win it now with no Nick Botha and no Jimmy Garoppolo I stretch no Kiddo I stretch. No Sir. possibly. I don't think you can. I hate to be a downer. I, really do. The teams are built to win a certain way, and I really hope I'm wrong and I still think the niners are going to compete for a playoff spot, but you look the schedule coming up. There's not a lot of relief there. Right. We were grateful this week to play the jets because they're terrible and they have the giants next week, which is great. That should hopefully be a win to hopefully although with the backup quarterback everything is up for grabs. They still have to play Philadelphia. To against the rams they go to New England to Seattle Green Bay new. Orleans. Schedule really gets tough for the forty niners if Jimmy. Garoppolo let's let's be optimistic and say Jimmy Garoppolo, is GonNa Miss. Four Games, he'd missed the giant game, the Eagles game, the Miami game, and the Rams game notice first game back would be the Patriots game in New England. Oh Man. That's and that's on the low end of the spectrum. That's if he comes back early let's say he misses another week after that you know what the game is at Seattle. I know he played well there last year, but you know I think Jimmy is shown. He's a rhythm guy he's a reps guy. He does better when he's in the flow coming back from the injury. There's no flow there. I think if the forty niners are going to make significant push in the NFC, they're going to need some help from people and rams or two, and now they look great. Seattle could be two, and now after this week to cardinals could be two, and now after this week, it is unbelievable how different I feel about this team right now than I did two weeks ago. It's unbelievable. Even, last year. When four niners were playing well, I didn't feel that differently about them like I do this year I thought last year at the forty niners could be better than I thought they're playing well. I didn't think they were GONNA make the Super Bowl after two weeks. This year going into the season. I thought the niners are going to make the Super, bowl? I. Picked him to make the super. Bowl. Now Not. Like in that seinfeld episode. One more question is comes from Marcus with Bosa Ou-. Who Can the forty niners look at to replace him if they're going to free agent route I mean they did just brings Ziggy Ansah in for a workout and then reach a contract agreement. But you know maybe the niners are willing to spend a little more money now does not going to be there for the year. You know he's got a Ziggy Ansah has there with some of the people in the forty niners organization they were there in Detroit Martin Mayhew was there when ons was drafted. You know there's a match there if the forty niners are willing to spend money, not the zig he's going to be both of course but you need something you need a body. and has had a couple of double digit sack seasons. That's a possibility I saw somebody tweeting out cameron wake maybe as a possibility. I would not be shocked to Mukta defer to see the forty niners make a couple of moves to be honest this week it is incredible. The roster churn that this team has undergone. This year. I wonder what this does to the team going forward coming into the year all his pressure was on Kyle Shanahan. Right gotta get back to the Super. Bowl gotTA prove the doubters wrong prove. You can win a big game pressure on Jimmy Garoppolo. Pressure on everybody. Does that go away now did do. People look at this team and see all the injuries and just say what are you gonNA. Do me the forty niners missed the playoffs this year? Can you really criticize them? Is it possible. Shannon Hingis says, ass grew it, and just starts going nuts chuck in the ball all over the place going forward on fourth down. Maybe does. I am literally getting texts right now from everybody from the network. Levin's texting May. I can't wait to record this week nine as down and nine or nate for nine and eight to get down I. mean he takes this basically a complete disaster. That guy is the conductor of the forty niners hype train. Kyle and Akash can't believe what we've seen. It's incredible. And if Jimmy is down for four to six weeks. Just going to throw this out there. There is a quarterback WHO's available? Right now. WHO's been to a super? Bowl. Knows what it's like trying to get back to a super bowl after you lose it. Not Saying you make them the starter, but I am saying he's better than CJ Beth right now. That's Colin Kaepernick. Know nobody wants to hear his name. But I'm the forty niners, I consider it. And everybody that thinks it would be a distraction maybe but maybe it'd be perfect distraction. You bring in capper. Nick. Media wants to talk to cabinet they WANNA talk about him or are you GonNa protest you can do this. You can do that. Nobody's bothering nick mullins nobody's asking him if he feels pressure to get the team back to the Super Bowl maybe makes it a little easier on those guys. And you can't have it both ways right? I. Mean. Yeah. Cowan hasn't played in a while but Shanahan schemes everybody open right should be easy forum, right? With the way guys have gone down I would feel better today right now if cap was back there instead of CJ Beathard I would. I've seen both guys play I know what they are. I'm just throwing that out there. It's not gonNA happen I know. But I think it should. All right that's GonNa do it for me I wish I had more to say honestly I do and I wish I could be more positive but I'm not GonNa lie to you I you know I don't like to just wave the pom-poms This hurts. The forty niners super bowl hopes may have died on the field and New Jersey today. That's all there is to it I. Hope I'm wrong. Obviously will still be here every week. We'll still be hopeful. But. Super Bowl hopes fragile thing. And I think we may have seen the forty niners hopes. burnout today. This week show is brought to you by sports betting dime dot com your source for the latest odds betting trends, matchup analysis and advice sports. 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The Mullens Revolution

Around the Horn

22:56 min | 2 years ago

The Mullens Revolution

"Bill flash ski what he paid Sarah Spain and Kevin Blackstone for the last time in this reality today. Little matter of how far LSU dick Nolan's fescue being forty Niners history or best QB ever ever. Speaking of goat's Brady, verse Rogers, and really speaking of goat's Simone, biles doing the single greatest athletic achievement in the history of sport. One last time without be mentioned a reality. Let's go around the horn. Are you guys ready money today? This show better. Here's Tony really we start with the Nick Mullins revolution. It was televised to sixty three passer rating over one fifty so good. Last night is Twitter account was Berith mid gate Kyle Shanahan, and you'll never know until you see someone that is incredible advice. That is incredible life advice fake that people and have a good weekend. The six most exciting version sports going forward CD better. Nick Mones QB controversy. Also, the raiders, Sarah. Let me ask you. This was moans that good over the raiders. I don't wanna take anything away from him because you could put up a bunch of guys and have their first NFL start not result in at one fifty one point nine passer rating the game he put together that being said he was only pressured on four of twenty two dropbacks any only through zero passes and debate windows, meaning that raiders defense stinks. He still stepped up its. It's still an amazing story. But he was certainly not facing the most terrifying of opponents last night. Devon, black stone out of your view moans. Not only was it. Not the most terrifying. It was actually the most terrible passed in the NFL. They lead the league in allowed yards per attempt, which means nobody's ever around anybody that they're supposed to be covering their twenty ninth and touchdown surrendered through the air. So what you saw last night was par for the course with the raiders pass defense. So give credit to Mullins for hitting his open targets. But unfortunately, have to give them an Asterix because of who was playing against Bill Plachy. Yeah. I really so much want to give credit to this guy. What is so such a great story? You see him crying after the game? Do the stories about him credit working out piping? He was calling. Yeah. You know? But it's the raiders. And they didn't even you're saying. Satistics the easiest a life or quarterback in any game this season in differ for the entire league. So I just don't see how anything statistically Friday is the easiest show to score points at around the horn. And you don't see me raining on your parade. Nobody page you have more Friday wins than anybody in around the history. Should we put an asterisk on? All those no not at all. And I don't want take you away from him. And then you took stuff away. We got to Bill punishment going no fit spot that made you about defense. Oh, by let me talk about Molin does the only only panelists here who's ever been to Hattiesburg, Mississippi and covered games for Mississippi. Southern I'll tell you that his. I'm talking here. All Brett farve records of sippy southern. He said all the conference there to God does more preparation two years. He sits at home in the middle of crowd age and calls out Barcella plays. I think that if you're in canton, Ohio just all for show. He. That argument is getting to canton, Ohio in any way. If you're gonna say the names back to score you back. Let's go back. Let's go down a little bit. Thank you page. Woody. Let me ask you a question about this Jon Gruden he'd double down after the game on saying players are dying to play for the raiders that he's getting calls. How does that come off to you Sarah Spain? Well, I believe that's collusion. Right. If active players are calling and saying they will come to his team. But beyond that to me. I think I don't know that it's as much a shot as current players as just the reality that he's trying to create if everyone's talking about how terrible things are no cleaned. If everyone's talking about what a terrible job. He's doing. He needs to create another reality by putting out there. Many people are saying how great this team has many people are saying how much they wanna play for me. And he's gonna keep saying hoping that he can make it through. Okay. Let's not speak down on another reality right now when we're launching another reality Monday, that's prop that up a little bit Bill Plachy Nosair. Direct shot at his players. Instead of saying we have the answer here. We can figure it out here. He's saying other players from other teams are gonna come in and save us that really demeans everyone that locker room that's already dead already another tank tanking. Anyway, they all went out of there. I thought it was shameful that he said that and I thought of the fixes team. And again, this goes in the whole thing that Gruden clearly this is not working. He's like he was a great coach at one point. Maybe now he's just a TV star act like a coach, it's not working page. Woody. Thanks a lot. Check back Bill in into ninth year of his contract. Maybe he'll have this team turned around. I think we'll be around. I think people are calling him like me I could play there and people that are forty eight years old or calling him. And I think there are some players like Dez Bri the reach out 'cause they wanna play in Vegas in a couple of years. But why would he make something like that? Rain very hard on the players. He has there. This is a team that's in total disarray. But it's typical of what he was doing when he left the NFL is a coke love when you guys say total, disarray, like there's any other kind of disarray. Yes, disarray is total. They maybe the quote players are dying to play for. Maybe it's just dead players wanna play. We'll move on. Let's talk catty the question have you ever seen the number three team in the country? A two touchdown underdog at home. True story. Nixon was asked to be would kick a receive. And he said he hopes to kick ass. Woody what would LSU tomorrow to pull off the upset on Alabama? And if they do if they do what would it mean for college football? It'd be great because football they'd also jumped Clemson would be number one in the next poll and in in the national championship situation. But I think that in order to win you gotta take advantage of a Saturday night in Baton Rouge, anybody that's ever been with. No that that crowd with tiger cage. You don't wanna get anything close to either one of those? And Secondly, here's the got it survive the first half because they're going to miss their best defensive player white who was suspended for targeted. That's yet. Another stacked up again, they've got two first round draft picks in the secondary a, greedy and grant. And it's those guys can get interception our turnover, and and keep it close because I know this is not gonna make sense. But in the fourth quarter, Alabama being outscored this year. I know it's against four three players. In the fourth quarter as to even played in the fourth quarter. So when you're up sixty points, that's some place. You're never in this show. What he page. Maybe take you off the pedal. We'll bit sarahspain how about you. Yeah. Anybody says saying that is ignoring the fact that they're so far ahead in the fourth that they don't need to put their best players. And that's why they're being outscored more importantly what they need to do on offense is be patient with their run. Let the clock run down to keep their defense fresh and keep the ball out of his hands as much as possible. The one defensive issue of bama's been having been with past place to running back. So they need to push that and keep keep the clock running defensively. They're secondary is so good. They don't put a lot of pressure on teams. But they need to put pressure on to us. So they need to take some chances defensively actually press on that front frontline Kaby Alabama. Nick Sabin has played their games in death valley of all been pretty close. So to me that means what you need to do. In order to win is to create some turnovers. You gotta hope that that death valley crowd rattles tool a little bit. Maybe get a pick. Maybe you can. Flip the field. Maybe you can get a fumble recovery or something like that you need some sort of momentum. But the reason that is such a big discrepancy in this point differential from the odds makers because that's how good this Alabama team is unbelievable talent and the town. But it sounds like you're saying the games at LSU have always been close in this robbery. And maybe if you were putting something on this game would be leaning towards LSU pick. That not that brave. So how about you? How about you heaven you wouldn't take LSU in two touchdowns? I'll take LSU to win outright in this game. The waiting for somebody who won the race go round. They eighty four the last night seven games down there. They play tremendously at home to Alabama's only faced one defense in the top forty this year LSU is ranked seventh offensively I love, greedy Williams against two. And I love Joe borough in this situation and all the Alabama is has a little bit of we against the run. You can run against them. LSU run the ball control the clock off the field. Coach wins game. Go tigers. Okay. Clash she convince anybody hear what he paid sarahspain. No, no. I would just tell you savings been there five times. He's won four those games. But none of the hill have been over the over ten points. So. Kevin Kevin's hip to that. But it's okay. All right. Sarah. You're an absolute no, no else you in this game for you. They're not winning. All right. We'll move on NFL games in the week or two of them. Are just incredible Packers patriots. We'll talk about that one by herself. But we've got Rams and we've got seats. This is the one versus the two right now in the NFC undefeated team, and it's six one team, although everybody seeing Nick Mullins rear view mirror and getting a little panic leak may be catching up to the Rams or at least ask you. If you think that's the case three of the last four wins for LA been within a field goal Bill. We'll start with you who has advantage Sunday. And what is Rams have the advantage in the there already was stellar? They added Dante Fowler. They got a edge rusher. They needed their offense can be unstoppable. They've won big games on the road in places in Denver in Seattle. They can play in these conditions. There's better overall team in New Orleans. They have more weapons were ways to beat you. They got a coach that's all that's on the cutting edge. I'm taking a Rams filers plug in and play. And he's going to be good to go for. Yes. From the edge. Absolutely. What do you pay? I just don't understand Bill picking an LA team to win. You remember Bill? Good times. We've had a New Orleans, and you know, how long those to window every none of us. I want to hear more about that. What we're getting that going to commercial break. All right. Go ahead. The saints. The saints at home are invincible as far as I'm concerned, they rarely lose. They're they are number one. We know about girly. But the saints are number one. It gets run in the NFL this year. I got the best leading passer in the league this year. Drew brees. They've got a running game. They've got wide receivers. I think this is a bigger game to the saints because the Rams can lose. And you know, they've had three games to two and three they've won by. They're ready to lose on the road. Sarahspain? They are in fact, Vincent because they're ten and eleven and their last eleven at home. So that's not invincible. But that being said the reason part of the reason they've been so good is because drew Brees is getting unbelievable protection. He's only been sacked nine times this season, which is only more than last night in one game. But it's also one fewer than Aaron Donald sacks on the season. Which means that we might see some real pressure for. Drew brees. And I think until the Rams lose a game and actually full on lose a game. They will always be my favourite even in New Orleans. Give it absolutely. I mean, there's no evidence to suggest that the Rams would not win. This won't win this game. Bill pointed out, they have a better offense Bill went out. They have a better defense. And what no one point out is guess what they also have bettle better special teams top five in the league in that category right now, and they're playing what they world of confidence. And even if girly is taken out of the game somehow by by the same. They still have weapon. Okay. Speaking of a world of confidence. It sounds like the trip in Baton Rouge or New Orleans wherever you guys that pledge skied and paid shared in some confident moments. I wanna hear about this. We'll go to break here by yourself. Play for fifteen just get to the good stuff. Please go ahead and go what I hear about it. No. I can't I can't even begin to go. There. Don't remember. Neither. All right. We'll take a break your cellular side. So Bill I said put on a pair of my name is Lauren. I'm thirty three. I didn't want my identity to be the smoking mom my first experience with jewel. I do remember being like distance good. It's it's it's like a cigarette. But not I don't miss smoking. At all. Like, I can officially say it grosses me out jewel is the tobacco alternative that delivers nicotine satisfaction without cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Make the switch and J U L dot com slash sports. Warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine isn't addictive chemical. Packers patriots Sunday night Rogers Brady put. Electric. Show said unicorn talk leading this. Here's Tom Brady. Get you really this isn't the Super Bowl. This isn't a playoff. What he told Jim gray of Westwood One. Did say he was excited for this one. What do you buy or sell Brady downplaying the importance? Thanks for coming to be reality. Tony I am selling what he said. This is a critical game for the patriots for both teams. Obviously the Packers need to stay in touch in that division. And the patriots are chasing the chiefs. They might have to go to that playoff game in Kansas City. They may not get to the Super Bowl if they lose this game at home. This is an important regular season game. Because as what he mentioned the Packers are third in the NFC north right now it matters. Whether they win the game. But what doesn't matter. What happens between these two guys whether or not will affect how we see them. We're not going to change how we feel about Brady if he loses it doesn't take waive his brings and we're not going to change how we feel about Rogers. Could we're always gonna blame the team and coach around him for what he doesn't win. It's just a fun game to watch. This is truthful arrogance coming from Tom Brady, look he plays to go to Super Bowls Aaron Rodgers trying to get the Packers back into the playoffs for the first time in a couple of season. So he's absolutely right. That this is neither a Super Bowl nor a playoff. Yeah. Just Brady being smart. He doesn't want the attention on him or the team. He wants to call me, the low-key, and yours is going to be crazy enough as it is. This is why he gets the super bowl's 'cause he doesn't treat every game. Yoed out make a pick for the game. Will you got backers? Patriots. That's inanimate for four. All right. We'll move on by herself. Two. Got a motor the Bob. Firecracker? Magic Johnson was calling Luke Walton into his office following the Lakers win this two game road trip. Magic reportedly admonished Walton in an aggressive tone over the team sluggish start painting a picture of rising pressure on Walton latchkey. This is your cat by herself pressure mouthing on Luke Walton, I'm buying it. It feels like the end is coming near it. Just feels like Luke never really had a chance. He wasn't magic guy. He wasn't LeBron's guy. Jeanie Buss supports in. But she pretty much get your franchise LeBron now LeBron's working in conjunction with this. And I think he deserves the chance he has. They were sixteen sixteen at the end of last year. He was bringing young players along it's hard to adjust with LeBron James team is hard to figure out where who knows where? But I don't think he's got shot. What do you think the time line is here? What are we looking at your how much time I have? If this pressure is the Lakers fired both Mike Brown and Del Harris really early in the season. They're not afraid to do. It could come at any time. Come anytime who come this weekend? Yeah. I don't think this weekend. But he could come. It could come before thanksgiving. What he paid makes no sense. I'm celebrate the guy has great roots. As in his basketball career is family and coaching with the warriors. And you're gonna give him a full chance because you didn't hive what are they gonna do out there? Bill. Bring back the high chair, Phil Johnston grand. Who you gonna get this better than him with young players? I lou. I don't know what he's arguing with since Bill said, he doesn't agree. I. He's dealing with suspensions. Injuries a player who has traditionally when joining a new team taken a long time for that team to adjust to his presence. He's shuffling lineups. Because he's trying to figure out the older veterans or the younger guys who fits the best. He's doing what he needs to do to try to figure out this team, the problem as Bill said, it's even if we don't agree with an even if it doesn't make sense it. Sure seems like he's nobody's guy and most notably LeBron. So they're gonna go find the Bronx guy caving the long jetty for Luke Walton was shortened as soon as LeBron James changed addresses in welled up Laker Ville, and we all know that. So the fact that Magic Johnson with call him in and dress down or pro or suggest to him what you should be doing with the team is just really. Lou is a possibility or any other names anyone wanna say magic city come out and try to coach Steve and you wanna see that. So I just want to keep it's Laker land. Not Laker Bill. How are you? Move on by herself three. And this is a story that strikes credibly closed home to me Simone biles the goats we knew this ready, but her fourth world championship in the all around by margin that she'd never won by before. That's how big it was. And she did it after two goals, but while dealing with eight kidney stone Kaby you put this in the annals of history with Jordan, flew game Willis re coming back. It's one thing to have be sick in the stomach and have to do something or limp out onto a court for a couple of minutes and make one bucket. It's another thing to perform at a at a international high level with kidney stones, and you can't make this is unbelievable lashing. The most horrific words to use in a sense with kidney stones are vault balance beam. Yes. How does she do it? Which is worse hanging out with Blackstone having kidney stone at the world jokes. Fouled is got vault named for her. She didn't pull it all. But she has to do a half pipe physician somersault thing it'll be a mute sarahspain. Please save what he wanted to see where he was going with that. She hasn't lost a competition. She entered since twenty thirteen she's the most decorated gymnasts in history. She's only ever to win for worlds, and she did it this time despite falling and having kidney stones because she's that much better than anybody else. There's nothing to say about. Radio's instead of photos I had the right to the postage with row the word around for fun about LeBron or about Jordan or about Brady Rogers or Woody, and it's Simone byles head. It's Katy Decky at Serena Williams, and it's a whole lot of nobody you same bold navy and felt those people never lost any of their competitions. What he page. You wanna see where you're going with this? You're going to show well built flashing sarahspain showed up next. Tuck -nology truth brought to you by cold. Truth teenagers, can communicate entirely emojis. How my birthday party pizza slice kitten soccer ball pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch him. Save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Why are you talking about paper clips shoulder shrug high five wizard hat, what Goco fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more? Basque's sarahspain good look in huge second mental kings, one forty six last night Darren box with a thirty three minute triple double and they're six three. So young so fun so full of potential you remember when you were described like that Bill. Yeah. Yesterday. Tremendous. I think we ought to celebrate the kings while we can their fifteenth and defense fourteenth offense, go kings. Yeah. I think while we can't is the operative word because fourteenth and fifteen you know, the right around the middle. They're not a fantastic team. And they're probably going to sink in a great west. Let's enjoy Molly. Can I just like plaschke's embracing team the king while he thought he was going to be doing with the Lakers with the Sacramento Kings point for that Bill? Let's move on showed out number two. Montreal Canadian score two goals in two seconds left in the capital. This is N H L record. The second one was an empty netter. Helen, Preston, you, Sarah, I'm incredibly impressed. This is a record. That will never be beaten. You can't score two goals in fewer than two seconds. So this is a forever record. It's an empty net. Nobody was guarding the net. It's an empty net. They descended down the ice. I'm not that impressed. Empty records says plush, you know, what that's going to be the point that gives them the FaceTime. There you go Bill. I'm the big Louisville. Gotta hate to do this. But I gotta get profit Kentucky football big game this weekend. Posting Georgia elected in of chance to if they win the game. They will play at the championship. They have one SEC championship in forty two years. They got any snow junior running back a great defensive leads the nation type four points per game. I think he's got chance to win this game. I hate to say, but. 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Niner Nate-tion: Why the 49ers will be better soon

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Niner Nate-tion: Why the 49ers will be better soon

"Are Niner fans this one's GonNa be a little rough. The hype train will you know it never stops but it might take a couple of pitstops on the way to where it needs to be nine or nate with the here. Welcome to the niners next podcast and we're going to do something a little different. With the nature of how everything went yesterday and the sky is falling and all that stuff I wanted to try and do something a little different. We already had rob stats Guerrero decide that he wants to make the most negative fogaz. I've ever listened doing Bein, dire life. So I'm going to try and. Give me some positive. Things to look at their stuff we need to talk about because it's not. It's not great to lose tha that Eagles team on Sunday night football and the way they did but. There's really nothing you can do about it. Now, they flat out lost to a team that was not as good as they are the whole world. Knows it the whole world picked the forty niners going this game and they straight up blue and we're gonNA talk about that. But last week we didn't get our NFC west check in because we were talking to John Lund. So let's get a quick NFC west check in. The Seattle seahawks are still undefeated. They knock off Miami Thirty, one, twenty, three and. I hate to say guys but I don't know if we're going to be able to win the West this year what's Seattle's doing is actually miraculous. They're. So bad on defense, but it doesn't matter and yes, Miami's sucks like. I why isn't the quarterback that'll be playing the niners on Sundays still completely and utterly beyond me but they went in to Miami and got the job done as they've done. It seems like every week in. Yes. Sloppy fashion. Yes. It doesn't look as good as the niners did with a lot of games last year but they're getting it done russell's cooking and that teams foreign they're going to be five hundred because of my the Minnesota Vikings are terrible as well. So. I hate to say it and we're GonNa talk more about this as the show goes on because. This is really going to be. A sobering show with a high turn never stops and we're going to try and they're still things to be excited about this is still a really good football team but. The Seattle. Seahawks are probably going to win the NFC west and I hit Hanes me so much to tell you that it's It's it sucks There's there's a chance there's totally chances any given Sunday anything can happen. But with the way, Seattle's playing in the x the elite level that we're seeing. Russell Wilson I just don't see a world in which the forty niners can win this division unless the seahawks just fall off of the earth, which is very possible but generally doesn't happen with a picture led team which sucks to say Arizona lost again they lost a thirty one to twenty one to the Carolina Panthers who aren't good and don't have Christian McCaffrey so. That's another thing we need to talk about is was that forty niner game the week one and anomaly you know that Arizona cardinals really doesn't seem like they're that. Good. But. They are now to in two with the niners, but the niners because they lost Arizona. I think that they can take care of Arizona. The next time they play them I think that that the first game was anomaly, but there's more to talk about their and the La rams the rable horrible horrible horrible New York giants seventeen, the nine and a game it was just so sloppy and so. It was so close for so long I was of blown away but. And then we got to Sunday night in the niners really just didn't take care of business in Las Philadelphia Eagles Twenty five to twenty, and you know talking about this game I, think the number one factor that we're going to have to talk about today is the forty niners need Jimmy Garoppolo. And whether or not he was awful week one which he totally was he was he was terrible. We told you on this show I think everybody on niners nation told you is awful but. When you have a backup like nick mullins who just can't get it done under pressure and his just hold the ball even longer than Jimmy does which you know sometimes Jimmy, Garoppolo holds the ball way too long. But the interceptions that Nick Monseigneur yesterday were worse than anything Jimmy Garoppolo has ever thrown in his entire life and you know if you were on this train and I, think I think rob said yesterday on his show. If you were on this train that. Jimmy Garoppolo is not the star of this team. You got a nice a nice gut check last night. It's obvious who the starting quarterback is tiles told you at Johns. told you it. We're telling you here on niners nation Jimmy Garoppolo is the starting quarterback for this team and he may not be Patrick Mahomes you may not be Russell Wilson. Heck. He may not even be Matt. Ryan. But he's the starting quarterback of the team. He led this team, the Super Bowl and you have to stick by 'em. He is the guy and I think the team will play better as the weeks go on because Jimmy Garoppolo is the quarterback. You know lick bones lost that game is. You know we're GONNA talk about the offensive line, and that's that's a problem. But the thing is, is there are teams that are able to play better than Nick mones with way worst offensive lines. and. You know. I don't think that Nick mullins ever takes another snap under center for this team what CJ did and at the end of that fourth quarter was enough to probably give him the job going forward Do I think that C. J. Beathard's good? No I don't I don't think either backups for the forty. Niners are good. Just like I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo is this elite quarterback who you know is going to win games on his own I think he's good I think he's talented. I think he has the skill set he has the quick release the quick you know he's. He's smart and it doesn't always make the smartest decisions, but he's good enough to win games for this team and because specifically of my second point, the defense still really good and yes, there banged up no Nick Bosa Dion. Jordan was out there wasn't a great city on Saas hurt. Now he's out for the season he wasn't really doing a whole lot. But. The coverage is still not bad at one point. The last corner they had out there was Dante Johnson he yes, he led off. A. Horrible. That was a horrible play but that he allowed that touchdown course also made a great play. You know. Carson Wentz. Is Still. He still has that first round pick quarterback mentality I felt like he really came out and showed it last night and the niners are banged up. You know. Maybe not safety but it cornered they didn't have they didn't have a fellow it. They didn't have a manual Mosey Richard Sherman and that's no excuse to lose. It Eagles seem first of all this eagles scene is not good their banged up there just as banged up as you are really there might be even more banged up they just have a starting quarterback, which could be the biggest difference maker in this game which ended up being but their defense was banged up their pass rush was really good despite the fact that they're pretty banged up but you know the niners defense held this team. To not a lot of points and after that I, the first touchdown by Carson Wentz you know the defense really short up and shuttled to carry hyder man awesome player like what he's done coming in and filling in for a guy like Nick Bosa. WHO's probably as I've said on this show, the second or third best defensive end in the entire league and Kerry Hyder came out and he ball just bawled out and it was exactly what we needed in that game and he gave us the Opportunity Win Eric. gave us the opportunity to win that game. They were good players and once just made great plays in got the ball and didn't take sex when should have been sacked ten times in that game? He made some terrific plays that I don't think a lot of niner fans expected because he's been so bad over the last couple of weeks but he's still Carson Wentz and he still was running. He almost had an MVP the year they went to the Super Bowl and yes. Nick foles was the one who won the Super Bowl. But of course, it was amazing that year absolutely amazing before we got her and you know we didn't see that Carson Wentz I don't think he's that good he was good but he wasn't you know. He just hasn't been the same guy since that that knee injury. But. He was good enough and he made the plays he needed to with garbage receivers you know and the niners really didn't allow a lot of rushing yards. You know miles sanders who you know if you play fantasy football was a big target in a lot of leagues because you know people thought he was really good and they held mile sanders to forty six yards on thirteen carries the biggest. Kicker, and the thing that drives me crazy is the niners still can't stop running quarterbacks I. Don't know what it is. Course hasn't fast. You know Wentz had seven carries the thirty seven yards and it killed them every time and Fred Warner was talk to him and say, why can't you start running quarterbacks and he said you know it's something we have to work on of course you do. You play Kyla Murray and Russell Wilson and you know. It's just it's so annoying because they're so they are so talented. We're so lucky to have a team that has this much talent on defense and. You know, they can't stop running quarterbacks and I just do not get it and I think a lot of people are scratching their heads right now and just wondering why the forty niners cannot stop. These running quarterbacks and I don't something that's GonNa Change eventually, but it has to write it has to because if they get to Russell Wilson and they let them run around the field, it doesn't matter if he throws balls or not run around the field like an idiot they're going to get killed and it's definitely not win the West. In. All right. Now, there's probably. I'd say. Forty percent chance they win the NFC. West right now. No not even that. No, I'm sorry. I I like to be positive. Probably Twenty thirty percent chance that they win the NFC west and if they let Russell Wilson just run all over him and and do his thing he's been doing everybody else. There's no chance is zero percent chance. You know From what I've seen for this team, they need to pick it up, but they also need to get healthy. And I'm hoping once they get healthy they can then pick it up and sneak in as one of those wild card teams because with the nature of the playoff system I think look it's starting to look like Green Bay's probably going to be the one seed. They don't really play any plan. One of the worst divisions they're not gonNA lose the bears. They'RE NOT GONNA lose to the Vikings and they're not going to list of lions. So they're going to have a I think they're going to have a better record than Seattle wants all said and done and you know Hopefully. They come into. San Francisco and lose you know both Seattle and Green Bay but. There's so much uncertainty with this team right now. And Green Bay is really good and they really took it to the Falcons last night and. You know they've really taken it to everybody be played so far you know they they haven't. Bad I said last week I think Rogers is playing with this Fu mentality and it's really obvious that. Rogers. Wants to get the super. Bowl and win the super bowl because I think they're probably moving on from him. No matter what he does you know they wouldn't draft love and Apparently nine, the second string quarterback there. So. But. That's beside the point that the packers in the seahawks and that's you know that's a different conversation obviously, but it's not looking like we're going to win the West or be high seed like we were last year teams banged up obviously, but they're just not playing the potential and the biggest thing they're not playing the provincialism, my third point, and that's the offensive line is a complete liability. They're playing worse than they did last year with higher quality talent I think Rob Sachs grow mentioned this on his podcast yesterday on instant reacts he's a hundred percent right I. don't like to be negative but this team is the offensive line is a complete liability and playing worse than they should be and I'm hoping. I don't think it's a rusting I don't I don't know what it is to be. Honestly I cannot tell you what it is. They have to pick it up because right now lake and Tomlinson and Daniel Bryan scale are the worst guards in the league. And even when Jimmy Back Jimmy has a faster release. Nick MOANS and CJ beathard. But it doesn't matter because he's going to be running for his life all the time and Yeah Russell. Wilson was life all the time. But Russell Wilson is a freak Jimmy. Garoppolo is not that guy is not going to happen. Mike mcglinchey is an absolute problem. And I don't know what else to say about it. The Guy is the first round pick it. He's not playing like it and. It's really disheartening to watch because I rule like the kid him and Joe Staley seemed like they were on par like just great. You know about a chemistry they were both love playing tackle and and might look when she's just getting beat all of the field. The Eagles make him look stupid on the first nick mullins interception. It's mcglinchey was literally facing nick mullins with space to him. Chasing a guy who beat him beat the brakes off. and. You can't do that. Whether it's a rookie quarterback whether it's a backup quarterback whether it's your starter you you have to block. These is like you gotta get more time. There has to be something something's gotTa Give Trent. Williams was awful last night. And you know. I think that's an anomaly. A lot of people are saying it's the worst he's out as a forty, nine, hundred, four, nine, four games but that's besides the point. He was awful. Last night he got beat a lot. The niners allowed. So many pressures it was disgusting. and. Without offensive line, you might not even make the playoffs if they don't improve so they have to improve. The wide receiver up position is still really good. That's the forte. Jerk McKinnon. Is. Awesome but he's not wide receiver but read a Yuka Defoe Samuel, are still awesome. Just. Shush. Awesome that that that Brandon you play. Probably is one of the best place I've I've seen from the niners in the most in the last couple of years don't get me wrong. There's been some amazing place but brandon I you is so so so so special and I think we're only seeing a little bit of what he can do. I do not understand why they stopped. They didn't run the ball. You know that he ran runs that jet sweep and gets a thirty eight yard touchdown run and they didn't really use it much and I don't know if he's not open all twenty two. So I can't see if he's not open. But if he's open, we should be getting the ball often. Depot. Still coming back from an injury there's some there's some some some stuff to work on there. But. They ran a jets got ten yards easy. Easy. You know we only have thirty five yards yesterday but anytime deal got the ball obviously was deebo Samuel. deebo Samuel Brandon is a stud. You know you have your number one and two wide receivers now. You know you have a set of whatever's who can can be a huge impact going forward. And then you still have the best tight end in the NFL George Kettle fifteen receptions one, hundred, eighty, two yards and a touchdown he was awesome. He literally made up for so many moons deficiencies. Last night if Nick mullins didn't have George Kettle. I don't know what he would've done. Because George, kill was everywhere he caught everything except for the two point conversion but. Side, the point cj should have not thrown. The two point conversion should Iran himself come on dude. Sunshine come on man. but George Kendall is absolutely the best player on the field on offense and defense, and we knew it last night and he's going to be that way because that's George and that's why we pay it in that kind of money. George Kill is the man. Capital am man there's nobody in this league as useful George killers right now. and. Maybe when Garoppolo comes back, the Games won't rely so much on George Kettle. But if we're going CJ beathard against the Miami Dolphins who aren't good as either but you know this is this is the structure needed to win you needed to beat the Philadelphia Eagles you need to be throwing me dolphins and you had to do it handedly. And they need to go out and play the Miami Dolphins and take care of business. Even without even if it's not Jimmy Garopolo because that rams game is going to be tough because division game whether the I think the rams are good or not which I don't. I don't think the rams are very good at all. I think their defense has a lot of problems. Yeah. Jalen Ramsey scary might scare Jimmy Garoppolo and you solve Aaron into home and that's the biggest thing is an all installed beasts and this offense of sucks. So what do you do there but I think that is absolutely better football team than the Los Angeles Rams. espy nation presents the SP nation. NFL. Show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the NFL season. 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You know you're GONNA it's GonNa come down to you doing your business you need to go into Seattle and do the and in business and get the job done. And if you're healthier than you were last night. Sure. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe you'll be able to get it done but. With the way they played last night in the way that offense is yeah. Seattle Seattle's pass rushes. Awful. Their coverage is pretty awful too but you're still gonNA have to score thirty forty points to Russell Wilson with the way he's playing. Defense probably better than any of the defenses, the Seattle seahawks play this season. The Patriots, they looked better this week than they did they played Seattle but. They were there. They just look loss in that game. Your defense is decent. Yes. You're Nick Bozo. You still have Eric Armstead and you you have carried hyder and carry Haider's awesome you. Dj Jones. Hoping Ronald Blair comes back. He's comeback of six games. and. I mean, it's it's going to be a war of attrition and in a war of attrition as long as Seattle has their quarterback healthy, they're probably GonNa win the West but this team is still really talented and that's my point. The high is not gonNA stop. We have to take detour maybe not win the West. This seems still really talented. They still have kyle freaking Shan and it was obvious last night. How much Kyle Shanahan. was making up for the deficiencies of Nick mullins. Kyle Shanahan literally schemed a Guy Wide Open on the second play of the game. And Nick Moles missing. Kyle Shanahan is the reason this team's going compete every single year and I know I sound like I'm getting kind of worked up angry and I am a little frustrated. Trying to be a little positive obviously. Yes. But as long as Kyle Shanahan is the head coach of this team there are going to compete. And they're going to pick a they're going to compete for the NFC west. They may not win it. But. They're still going to be in the running for they have to losses. Seattle's none. Sure. But they're going to be in the running as long as they can until unless these injuries really pile up which they might very well might but they should take care of business against the rams. And even with Cam, Newton. If they could shore up this stopping running quarterbacks, they can take care of him, and then that Seattle game is a toss up. There's no fans there. There's no home field advantages. But if you're offensive line doesn't play better and you don't have Jimmy Garoppolo and Richard Sherman manuals, you're not going to be truly great football teams and you're GONNA YOU'RE GONNA lose to Seattle. Green Bay you might even lose to the saints I don't think are very good. You know. You, you should sneak in as a wildcard. Absolutely no matter what you are better than most of the teams in this league, but you have to play like it. And they're not playing like it right now they haven't played like two games at home. Yes. They beat the giants, the jets those teams suck. Sorry they're awful. But You have to you have to prove that you're better by going out and playing Miami, next week and taking care of business. God. Hope God I hope Jimmy Garoppolo's back. Allow you. was were talking a of smack about Jimmy Garoppolo and I you know I said my thing week one he was bad. But Jimmy Garoppolo was the quarterback of this football team. And when he plays they win. and Jimmy Garoppolo is healthy for the rest of the season. It gives them a better chance to win the West. It gives them a better chance to get better. Wildcard spot gives them a better chance to to do something in the playoffs to make some sort of noise. But we need Seattle loose and we need the rams the lose. Seattle has do something freaky has to happen to Seattle because right now they unstoppable and their defense is terrible and they still look on stop one off it's wild. It's wild. And Right, now it's about going out and it's about being onto Miami and doing your business and the hype train is not going to stop anything. I will never give up on this team all season but right now. Things aren't great. There's problems there's way more problems than we thought there was we started talking about the aligns things went on. The line just hasn't improved. We thought Mike was getting better notes because he played the giants. Mike Lynch yesterday improve he's got. He's got a fifth year option coming up soon and he has to be better if he wants to stay on his team or they're going to replace him. And then not to mention what does for if Mike mcglinchey sucks you look at the draft picks the first round draft picks the first two years it doesn't look good. But I don't WanNa get into that because that's really really really depressing and I want to be excited about this football team. I still think there's so much potential. There's so much potential here and their backups have played. Well, there's so much count with this team and they're just underperforming and I don't want to say it's the Super Bowl hangover because I don't believe in a super bowl hangover right now those people with those narratives or winning right now and I don't like that. We wanted some questions real quick from our mailbag. You can always check out any mailbags. We do at an podcasts on twitter and we have a couple sent some stuff we got at H. Two He said why the hell do our players keep getting her? Man. If I knew this question, I would be a millionaire and I. be able to go down to the niners facility. Fix Us right now I do not know. It's partly maybe because of the the covert thing you know a lot of problems within the fact that there was less practices with pads on there's less you know less going on the normal. And you know this is probably going to be one of those seasons where we see those injuries we've ever had. Without the preseason games, it's just the nature of this season in how it all came and how the NFL really. You know everything Kinda. happened. Last Minute I. Mean Cam. Newton had. Got Cova Nineteen, and they still played the game on Monday know. But like the sky was falling Cam Newton, I, found out that got you know people are saying the saints might have turns out false positive. You know they didn't know what to do with when the steelers player in the top players. Got It. And they ended up doing no by week it just. You know. This isn't this is a season like we've never seen before. There's never been a season like this fans. It's you're so trippy watching that Sunday night game and seeing no fans up Levi's and seeing you know thinking about what the fans would do like. I know Levi's fans are rowdy. And you know. That game would have been a lot more fun with fans. and. I don't want to say it's a win I think the first game would have been a win. With fans just because that Rahim run would have just kicked everything off because I remember at the NFC championship remote circles on that big run and. Boom that place was electric and it was electric for the whole entire game in the NFC championship but still. Right, now we're dealing with something that no fan no player no teams ever dealt with before in this nineteen and I think that's a lot of what's leading to the injuries plus you just played extended season. You know you played the Super Bowl you played February lot of teams didn't play up to February one players teams that play till January. And then you to play that metlife stadium her which was just awful. So you know. It's Not Ideal, not ideal at all. The next question we've got is from Thomas America at Thomas America given broadscale struggles. When Rich Burke is healthy would you bent Brun scale and start GonNa Guard I think this is actually a pretty easy question. Wesson richert is such an important part of this team, and ideally he comes back and he's you know he's he's the guy that we had before who was he's actually pretty good and. I think that Garland has actually been decent as been great. But then Garland was I think the best lineman on the field against that eagles. Team. And? I think you can move garland guard and you bring Westerners Burger and I think you see immediate improvements. I just don't think Daniel. Bryan skills very good. You know a lot of the talk we had before was that is awesome player and we haven't seen it nothing broncos put out on the field has really made me think that he's a great player. Or a great guard I mean I think he's one of the worst red guards in the league right now and so it was like Thomson. I don't know exactly what is leading to this downgrade in. In linemen play it, it's it's it's kind of bizarre because. They were so good last year. These are almost the same exact guys as last year. But better because Trent Williams is a better player than Joe Staley and I love Joe. Staley. I think every niner fan does. But He was not the same. Guy. He was before last season. I think we all knew it. and. You bring in a guy who's even better. You expect to see improvements and. There's been some times returns. I'm just doesn't pretty cool stuff, but we didn't see the improvements. At all. One thing about Ben Garland real quick before we move onto the next question Ben Garland has allowed one pressure through two hundred, three snaps. It's amazing. What Ben Garland has done. He's really good and that's awesome. That's great. That's a really positive thing to have. Garland has been a great pickup in you know. It's nice to have him. Next. Question is from Richard Seibel Atra Siebel when does Ronald Blair comeback we need pass rush. Week six Ronald Blair wasn't rich mortgage. Taylor. Will be able to re eligible returned from the PCP. That'll give you some reinforcements edge and inside just better pass rush in general. Julian, Taylor, and Ronald Blair should be a big part of being able to get to the quarterback and hopefully maybe stopping running quarterbacks a little better and then our final question comes from Let's cuddle. He said it appeared to me to both often to tackle struggled a lot of questions about the office line. Bad Against Philadelphia Trent Williams, a big free agent acquisition for us where we give them a fifth round pick in two, thousand, twenty, third pick a twenty, twenty one and we use the first round pick overall mcglinchey was Sunday's subpar performance anomaly or should we be concerned? I don't know to be honest with you. I think that there's so much talent on this team and there are under performing so poorly that it can't continue to be this bad. I just don't think it. Can I think that? It's got to improve. And I think Jimmy. Garoppolo. Improves it. Because of the fact he gets the ball out and I think you know they have the receivers now getting opened, they're not going to have the problem, our God I. Hope they don't have the problem where Jimmy Garoppolo is standing eighty through not throwing the ball. You know we're gonNA, throw the balls or the ball I think that him being back. Will be a big deal and in his offensive line looking better and so that's all we can hope for nine fans. You know these are the hard ones, the high trains, Never GonNa Stop, and I'm always gonNA try to be the most positive guy on this website for you but it's tough when you lose a game like that where you were clearly a better football team and you knew you're a better football team and you just couldn't get it done against team that was subpar injured and yes, they had their quarterback and you didn't. But. You have to win those games when you're dealing with a Seattle team who probably isn't going to lose more than three or four games this year. and. Seating matters a little less unless you're the one seat. If you're the one seed you're set, you know get the bye week but seating doesn't matter as much. Yes. You get a home game but if Kobe's is not gone, then a home games, not really gonNA matter. Much. You have to go to Seattle we one of the playoffs and play them. As, long as they didn't destroy you, you know it's not going to matter that you're playing in Seattle just like it doesn't matter you're playing and Levi's right now. Yeah. You're losing to home and that's weird. But I think part of that this defense gets energized by the fans you know because they were so good last year at home but the playoffs is still wide open. The niners can totally still make the playoffs complained a lot. I try to stay some sort of positive. There's some positives with his team. They're still really talented. There's still a lot of depth. The quarterback is coming back the corners we'll come back. Pass rushers, GonNa get with Ron Bland Julian Taylor. Brandon. Euch is a stud and we've only seen a little bit of what he can do and you have deebo back now kittles still the man. There's a lot of things that niner fans can be excited about we have to be realistic here and they have to win some games that are going to be really tough schedule doesn't get easier now it gets harder. And San Francisco really has to pick it up. And I. Think they will I think they will I really think Shannon is a good enough head coach that they will be able to do it so. If you. WanNa see my niner takes or you want to hear more from me I'm on at nine, eight, forty, nine on twitter recently got a bunch of Seahawk followers and they're so generous nice about everything and that sarcasm couldn't tell and let's roll no more injuries. High train never stops and let's let's go. Let's go win the NFC west. You know let's go try in the NFC west. Let's go try and win the Super Bowl let's be faithful. Let's try. ODDS. Aren't in our favor but some sometimes odds are in your favor it's comes down to how you perform and how you execute. Go niners beat the dolphins. We'll see you next week.

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Week 4 Recap: Those Winning Browns, Cowboys Collapse, Wentz Back on Track | NFL Deep Dive

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Week 4 Recap: Those Winning Browns, Cowboys Collapse, Wentz Back on Track | NFL Deep Dive

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Hello and welcome to the M qb Monday morning NFL podcasts. I'm Gary gramling I am joined by Connor or of the weakside podcast and Connor. There was a lot to be kind of down about this week a lot of people to pick on and we will certainly do that on the show but I like to think we're GONNA we're, GONNA. Get some optimism in your too and we're GonNa let me start with the Cleveland browns and by we should be a little bit a little bit pleased with the browns are doing right now. Yeah. So we talked about this a little bit before. We started taping and I grew up as a browns fan. I've obviously since abandoned that fandom. But kind of always do view moments like this through that lens of the. Frustrated eleven year old connor with his Tim Couch Jersey on who. Know. All this friends were eagles, fans, and steelers, fans and they all had a lot of success giants fans during the middle school year. So that one playoff game Kelly holcomb against the steelers. envited everybody to my house because you know as a fan, you just want that attention for like thirty seconds that your team is actually done something and they have lost that game but this is probably if I were browns fan the best I've felt since that moment going into the playoffs, right? You scored twenty eight points and a half for the first time since the year the Cold War ended, which is pretty phenomenal the lead the league in turn points off turnovers like these are all things that really good teams do and the browns are doing those things and that's it you can. I'm not going to do with this morning. You can poke holes in some things and say, well, this probably isn't sustainable going forward they. They probably won't get this rate of takeaways and that sort of thing but right now they are obviously the running the ball very well, they are ahead of schedule every game they're getting leads and they are keeping leads and they are therefore getting wins and. That just seems like the kind of thing that we said about teams who played against the browns in recent years I mean are three and one, and it's it's been three pretty solid wins here when So there's about six minutes to go in the game and the cowboys had condensed the lead to eleven yesterday and then all of a sudden all that stuff starts happening. Right Baker. Mayfield overthrows Beckham the punter shanks one It does get kind of a fortuitous balanced, but it was a bad punt and then the cowboys just whip down the field score on CD lamb was more open on that fade route than I've ever seen a receiver open endzone zone fate of my life, and then you know that is when I think the Phantom does kick in just a little. Bit and you say like Oh my God I've seen this a thousand times they're gonNA lose this game. This is how the BROWNS lose every game. It's not just it. It's not just a regular milk toasts Sunday loss it's a very public embarrassing ridiculous Kinda lost and they didn't do it but I would say ten times out of ten in the past that is a game that they blow spectacularly. The other Nice thing about the browns yesterday is look we saw Oto Belgium junior, his sort of a sort of a reminder that he is a difference maker I mean, obviously, they've been doing so well on the ground and it's been a lot of Kevin. Stefanski taking some the vikings playbook here and and the very you look it's it's a it's a run based and play action offense and Odell just isn't put up monster numbers. Huge plays yesterday finishing with the game clinching fifty yard touchdown run on a play that looked like it had just completely busted. Yeah I mean he was dead to rights in the Backfield, but he has so much speed you know in his change of direction ability is so good that you know he can kind of negate that right and it it will not go down as a horrendous play call or is a bus on the offensive line's par. However, you WANNA call it I would say it was a bad play call because I don't know where that guy who got so deep into Cleveland's backfield where he ended up kind of being blocked in that scheme I think he was kind of designated to kind of pull him up feeling get him out of the way but man. Owed Elkin negates stuff like that. But I I I keep thinking to myself and I'm curious kind of your thoughts on this is like. Why doesn't every team? Like why isn't Bill Callahan like the Durrell Rivas Of Offensive Line coaches like why isn't he like a year to year mercenary? That is just holding out for the best salary and going everywhere every team that hires him is better at running the football like markedly better and I would say that like that was probably the biggest acquisition that the browns made this off season Barden because his ability to streamline their running game like there were just gaping holes yesterday and. They're gashing people with Kareem Hunt in third string running back with Nick Chubb out and you know as much as everyone wants to talk about all the other things that are going on in Cleveland and you're always going to be waited to do that because the star power on the roster I feel like just the fundamental run game aspect of it has gotten so much better than it ever has been the past. Offensive. Line coaches just in general. It's it's kind of fascinating to me. Outside of Your Head coaching, your your to coordinators air. Sorry Specialty's coordinators but the offense coordinator Defense Coordinator. Offensive Line coach is the most important guy on the staff not. Like there are. Eight to ten maybe and that's probably stretch really good ones and if you have one of them, it's like you just can't let him go. But if there's like a regime change and one of them gets loose, I mean there there should have been like you said there's like a monster bidding war for bill. Callahan. This off season yeah. I mean imagine if. Dante Scar Nekia had become available through some sort of I. Don't know intense rift with bill ballot check at some point like he could be. If. A team was desperate enough in like I'm I'm looking at the giants have a bunch of developmental players that aren't developing I would pay him more than some teams are paying their head coaches I. Mean it's that important of a position and yeah I mean Bill Callahan just everywhere. He goes. You know a well what you know that offensive line muscle greatness equally was so great. In Dallas while you know has lots to do with Bill Callahan, pulling the strings organizing that, and you know the the same thing in Cleveland like just because you add you know a free agent and a rookie first round pick doesn't make your offensive line immediately better. It's having someone developed them and teach them how to do stuff, and that's what we're seeing in Cleveland right now. Let's Let's talk about what's going wrong with the cowboys because there's a lot going wrong with the cowboys specifically on the defensive. All right now, this is the part of the show where I make a bunch of excuses for what's going on there and I'll lay out a couple of numbers here. cowboys defense has been on the field for a right around thirty four minutes per game. This year around seventy one plays per week each of the last three weeks the offense has turned it over three times and sort of put the cowboys in a bind here and stepping aside from that. We knew it was going to be a transition to Mike Nolan after all those years under Rod. Marinelli and and Chris Rashard later. But you know it's been that sort of Marinelli Yellow sort of fast-flowing relatively simple run to the ball defense for years and years, and now it's Mike Nolan who's always run some little more multiple some a little more complex and there is going to be a transition a lot of the issues you're seeing with the run defense are related to tackling people and that is an issue that went back to last year the cowboys did. Tackle people who also will you know had the football at the time and that was kind of why they had so many struggles late in the year that said, there is a lack of just basic competence from this unit right now and I I don't know if it gets fixed. Everyone's. I'll bring in Earl Thomas bringing Harold Thomas Well Earl. Thomas got it out there right now for a reason and I don't think there's really a quick fix to be made to this defense right now. Yeah and we knew that offenses you know in general probably GonNa start a little bit ahead of the curve this season with pandemic with the lack of a preseason. But there are some defenses that just can't get it together and Dallas is one of them and you know. It pains me especially to say this after. Writing a little Alden Smith Pump up column on Friday you know talking about how good everybody looked there but yeah, this is it's just not coming together it fundamentally just it looks like they're a broken aspects of it and I will say this. In their first three games, there were a lot of dropped interceptions like an almost an abnormal number of dropped interceptions like if you went back and you looked at every defensive snap and so I do think that they're you know they're gonNA start to get some of that back right I think that they're bad luck in the takeaway category is not sustainable that said, they're not playing complementary football. They're leaving their defense out like you said, wait too long and they just don't have the horses to sustain that. You know this is not You know as deep of a cowboys defenses we've seen them have in the past. Yet. They're leggit said, connor they are on the wrong end of the takeaway giveaway thing over the last three weeks it's nine to one. The one was the the decay metcalf forgetting to run into the end zone punch to the end zone last week. So those will come they even if you don't have a ton of talent, they typically come usually get a couple. But they're just getting nothing right now, the last thing I want to say here and look I don't WanNa. Be The guy who sits in pretends that I am smarter than everyone on the cowboys staff because that is that is nowhere near the truth I would completely embarrass myself if you asked me to draw up a single player concept for for this team right now but One thing that I can't I can't get my head around it undrafted rookie Darren Steele gets the start at at right tackle lot. Lyle Collins is now out of the season Tyron Smith was back from this game but Terron Steel is starring in the right side these let him singled up on on Myles Garrett and there are look there are ways you can help. A young right tackle besides sliding protection or chipping a guy You can get the ball out quicker. I thought the Trips Act might have been a case of Dak holding onto the ball too long and But I just I could not wrap my head around the fact that they just put Taryn seal out there and we're like, okay. Yeah you can handle myles Garrett and then they benched him. In the first half and it was just I don't know the thing is we have this it's like. It's like when we signed you as an undrafted rookie three months ago, you said you could handle myles Garrett one on one but turns out you were light. So get on the bench now like it just seemed absurd. and. Again. Sometimes, teams just get out scheme sometimes the the opponent just has a better plan and they they create those matchups. But that didn't seem to be the case it seemed to be the plan. That's Terri- steel was going to handle myles Garrett one on one and I just I couldn't believe it and it's weird because myles Garrett does get that Jj Watt treatment right where he's allowed to move around and he's allowed to go seek out those favourable matchups and then blow everything up and you know normally that involves picking and choosing and testing but as a cowboys team, like why aren't you challenging him to find those matchups why you putting a big neon sign to the best match up and saying, Hey, come here and just keep coming back here and don't worry we're not. GonNa? Do Anything to stop you like it was a very strange thing and you know I I. Guess You could go back to Mike McCarthy's days in Green Bay and talk about great offensive line coaches. They had great offensive line coaches back then and they had great offensive Lineman but this is not that team Dak. Prescott doesn't get the ball out faster as fast. He's a little bit different of a quarterback than Aaron Rodgers any worse just different and so you have to adjust and there seemed to be no adjustment made yesterday in if you continually invite a guy who's in the running for the defensive MVP award right now into the Backfield, it's it's complete chaos. All Right Kat. Move on I. Do owe you an apology. I was a little distracted during that first segment because I was in the middle of subscribing. To the new weakside podcast failed during featuring connor or engineer RENTA's for those of you who haven't been paying attention to our promotional language over the past couple of weeks, we are splitting up the podcast feed on this feed your listening to right now, you will continue to get the Monday show. You will continue get the M Qb gambling show on Friday however, the weakside. podcast again Connor Jenny wonderful show you'll love it. It has its own feed. Now ALGEBRAIC has his own. You would thought I would have subscribed to that. You know maybe after the show when when we weren't doing a podcast but it was important enough that I felt I should do it right now before I before I forget an all you out there should do the same. Absolutely thanks Gary and don't think of it. You know. I. Was Telling Jenny this the other day it's Kinda like we're moving into our own place. You know our parents have kicked us out We've we've soaked up enough of the resources of the feed we are. We are ripe enough and it's time to go out on our own could be great. You know or could be a spectacular failure. So either way subscribe and follow along with us and see what happens. It's going to be. We're going to. Find out if it will be horrible is. Is. Not a bad promo actually, but the show's going to it's going to be the same show just on a new feed now. So you have to subscribe to new feed and you just get it in your feet. It's really not a big deal. You know it it sounds like we're doing something seismic year by splitting up the feed. We're really not just making it easier for you all out there to see what shows are coming into your feed. Now that's right. Totally customizable experience imagine if cable providers thought this way. It's a it's a skinny bundler something I don't know. All right, let's go Let's go Sunday night football here The the NFC east leading Philadelphia Eagles now. This was encouraging and we'll get into y you know yeah. They caught some breaks in this game and quite frankly maybe they were due for a couple of breaks but Carson wentz looked like he looked at the end of last season when. They were completely decimated yet known a throat, but he was still sorta patching this together and making it work. Early. The season yellow. Her shot is an understatement with the way he was throwing the ball in terms of accuracy. He was good on Sunday night made plays with his legs. We've been seeing that this year, but there were no just completely meltdown. Oh my goodness. What is he doing out there? Type of throws and that's that's that's a big step in the right direction. Yeah and Just, kind of sniffing around on what was going on in Philly I mean it seemed like the first three weeks whatever the plan was going into the off season. It felt like they weren't going all the way there and you know if you want to get to be a great whatever it is outside zone team whatever your kind of core offensive philosophy is there it seems like they were. Sort just tap dancing around the idea of it. They were sprinkling and concepts when really you kind of need to uproot this entire thing and you need to go at it from one direction and this isn't like Carson Wentz his breakout year where they went thirteen three and the Super Bowl they're gonNA have to start from scratch a little bit with no talent right now no healthy talent right now you know everybody's. Banged up and so I, think it was good that they got this win over the forty niners when they were still beatable especially when you know they got it the giants the way that they did I I think that that gives them a little bit of confidence moving forward and I don't know I mean I. think that Carson Wentz is better than this. I think we all know that he's better than this but Time will tell in terms of what exactly it was. Was it scheme that was bothering him? Was it all the injuries that were bothering him? It's it's kind of an interesting sort of case study right now. Yeah. He finds a Guy Travis them practice squad guys sort of bounced around the last year or two out of Old Dominion he makes a big catch down the left sideline for the go ahead touchdown the rugby. Guy. Jordan my Lotte filling in for Jason. Peters a held his own pretty well, and and again it is a we talked about the eagles injuries. The forty niners are are just completely been devastated by injuries on on the defensive side of this. Year it's not the same pass rush. It was a year ago, but a was good enough. It was good enough offensively here for the Eagles at this point on the other side of the ball I mean, Look Nick Mullins has done such a nice job just operating this offense when he's had to you know going back to two thousand eighteen and going back to the action he saw out in East Rutherford this year but he was boy, he was a killer in this one I mean he had he had three two rovers. His interceptions were both devastating one came in the red zone and then he threw the late pick six where he just absolutely did not see his own defender. Sitting under a a little comeback route there. Yeah and all of a sudden opens the door for the biggest quarterback controversy in football mullins versus. You know you really gotta a he gotta wonder what's going to happen there you know. I, it's phenomenal that this is probably the first time in Nick Mones is done a lot of spot duty right over the last couple of years that were talking about him being a problem when you know look at how many you know Mitch Trubisky for example, know guys that were drafted number two overall that you know kind had less of a You know less of an easy time being outed as a target here but you know I think this is just a bad game right and maybe there's enough of a complete package of film on him to be able to make some determinations and remember Nick Mones I quarterbacks coach. And Offensive Coordinator Rich Willow is now over in Philly and you know probably could have helped them out with game planning process a little bit there But Yeah I you know it's one of those things where. I still think he's one of the better backups in the League and just kind of looking at the landscape right now could probably be a effectively starting for one or two teams this year but you know every once in a while, you're going to run into a bad nick mullins. Yeah and and you know you mentioned during the cowboys segment here at some point, a defense is just going to start getting a couple of takeaways just get a couple breaks something eagles had one takeaway on. The is actually a special teams takeaway was a Cooper Cup fumbled punt return back and we to defense had no takeaways going into Sunday night and They got three and that is how you win a game in which you are outgained by one hundred yards or so on on offense. So now they know glaring problems for the offense and they catch him breaks on defense and they go out to Santa Clara and a win, and they can just sort of tread water until they get a little bit healthier still still still. Hope here I mean they're vote first place in the division, and as of this moment right now, they are the only team in the NFC east just based by virtue of their playoff berth alone that would not be picking in the top six of the NFL draft right now. So it's a it's a good year for the eagles to have struggled early and you. Know tried to figure their crap out down the line unfortunately fortunately for them, I think the one thing that is going to bother them throughout the year is that loss to Washington right? Because that's you know this this divisions GonNa come down to one or two games, and that's that those are the tap ins on your schedule. Those are the guys that you need to beat. Let's go down to Tampa Weird I'm in look. Tom Brady looks really good Up against the chargers, this was. This was a little bit dicey early on the chargers actually the chargers never blitz and they they blitzed a couple times early opportunistic blitzing here by Gus? Bradley. I'd think that caused some issues for the bucks far as protection goes but. This is why it was. So encouraging one. No Chris Godwin. So you're you're working without your one a receiver here. On top of that look. We have seen the chargers pass rush and just a four-man pass rush. The BOSA Ingram Jerry Hillary's had a nice year there. We've seen them take over games. We saw them almost completely wreck that chiefs offense in a near upset earlier the bucks held up protection wise when it was a four-man Pash for the most part and if they're gonNA, hold up protection. Wise. It looks like that. Brady receiver reporter is it's it's working now it looks like they are ready to just put up numbers year and we know the defenses. Good. So I don't know Bucks Bucks Chief Super Bowl is is what's going to happen and if if you WANNA if every wants to just sort of take some time off and not watch football between now and February seventh I mean that's that's where we're headed toward starting to spoil it I'm just curious you know GonNa do a little bit of googling here the Tampa Bay rays in the Yankees start tonight as we taped this podcast and so there's a chance that. As an infantile in sort of largely irrelevant sports town. Obey could sweep the major championships during the pandemic, which should be kind of hilarious. Right like nobody is allowed to celebrate publicly and you win the Stanley Cup the world series in the Super Bowl. In the matter of like three months and nobody cares and nobody is allowed to celebrate. That would be amazing. The New Boston. Yeah it's It's the sports nexus of the universe right now I guess titletown former a excellent wonderful EMINEM QB editor bet. Marston was really enjoying the lightning victory when I caught up with the recently but have not talked to read about my Tampa Bay theory in general that all of their success might be funneled into arguably the darkest year. History and like. This since a very long time ago. Oh. It's it's some. It's a monkey's paw type stuff going on with with Tampa. I guess other side of the ball here look at the books that they just look really good and I. think that's going to be the story line with them when we talk about them every week but the other thing this game just in herber was a was fantastic in this game they're. They are attacking Downfield It's big plays. He is under constant pressure but he just delivered big play after big play and sort of went shot for shot with Brady in this one and Again, I didn't think there was any realistic chance they were going back to Tyrod I. I do very much highlight. The fact that Anthony Linwood would use quotes like when tyrod is one hundred percent healthy. Because there's a lot of percentile. Yes. There's there's a lot of there's a lot of leeway with her present. He could have a hangnail. He could have the sniffles and put them back out there but. At this point I mean not only is Justin Herbert's job. It's I mean Gosh I realized the guys. Oh, three and the qb Wins Department but. He is. He is far ahead of where I think anyone thought he would be even the most optimistic projections of of people thought he would be in the first quarter of his rookie season. And this is what really just chaps my you know what about the chargers is fifty percent of his throws are coming on second and seven plus or third and seven, plus right you have to pepper in early down throws and allow him to take his shots there being so obvious and they're telegraphing their place. This is a pro style ideology when they have all this talent in, you know especially yesterday. So I was looking up One of my favorite stats quarterbacks is completion percentage above expectations. So they have their actual completion percentage would it should be, and then you're plus or minus differential Justin. Herbert is one of the best in football right now you know he's behind Russell Wilson Derek Carr Joe Borough and Gardner Menchu. As guys who are completing way more passes than they should Keenan Allen was a monster yesterday like. Pepper, in some early down throws make yourself harder to defend. This is a really really good buccaneers defense and you were scoring on them. You know and and it bothers me that they're still babying him like a rookie win at this point. He's already shown you that he's ahead of the curve. So let's accelerate I mean this is what the bengals are doing with Joe Borough. They've Kinda just you know they're like, okay. We're not running our like Iran at Lsu just GonNa we're just gonNA, gun this. Thing and I think that's what That's what the chargers need to do just in Herbert that was a winnable game yesterday like they should have won that game but instead it's like, okay let's run on first down and then try to get half the distance on second down and then convert on third down survive but you don't need to do that. That's why you draft a quarterback in the top ten because he's going to be a guy that negates that typical thought process and you kind of. You could make the argument like well, if are running game is cooking, let's let's stick with it on I now I mean they were. Looking to numbers era eighteen carey's thirty, two yards for non just in Herbert rushing attempts yesterday. So they had nothing in the run game. They did not protect Herbert well and he still in spite of all, that just putting a monster performances here free just in Herbert. you know it make up the t shirts right now started Hashtag. All right. Let's Let's go out to Chicago for Nick Foles, I start against the colts and he was not. He was not Mitch trubisky radic out there but he was not accurate. He did not look comfortable with his receivers. You wonder if the bears should have. Perhaps anticipated this inevitability and given foles more first team snaps over the course in the summer and maybe you you get rid some of these growing pains or. Maybe. It's not growing pains. Maybe this is just the reality for. A Nick foles led offense going forward here. Yeah, twenty, six of forty, two to forty nine a total qbr rating of forty two point five, it it's just I don't know it's ugly football but nobody's helping right I mean David Montgomery is getting two point seven yards a carry You're basically just hoping that foles and Alan Robinson can figure this thing out together and it's it's just not effective right and then. You look at the other side of the ball, even though the colts are only scoring nineteen points, they're just they have so many options I mean Jonathan Taylor might finish the season you know as a top five running back and then you know he's spreading the ball around you know and he's doing a really good job of that as some sort of like play buffalo wild wings video. Blasts from my computer for no reason but you know. They're just so one dimensional and it was it was surprising to me that if you're Matt Nagy, you know that going in that your team just kind of leaned. So heavily in one direction and depend. So heavily on a few things that like why obliterate any remaining confidence that you have in your rookie starter to not get a market improvement at quarterback right? Like this is at best like a replacement level swap right now and I don't think that makes your team any better and with trubisky at least you get that mobility aspect you can probably workout some ways to get them to move the ball a little bit better but yeah I think this is the start of Chicago's. Not Free. Fall. But you know fall back to a a record that makes sense the roster. Yeah and and look. If we back up to twenty eighteen Matt Nagy Systems really good. Win Trubisky had that. The had the pro bowl year in two thousand eighteen. If you go over the tape if there were still so many just wide open receivers that sort of young whether he overshot or miss them. There were so many plays left out on the field that was kind of like, wow. If this thing operates if you have a quarterback operating it the way it should be operated this. This might be a potentially offense. You just you didn't really an Amazon Nikoloz. It's got to do that. But you you didn't see that kind of offense yesterday As far as foles go, you didn't really see anything you know they they didn't use a ton of play action. They didn't use a ton of RPO stuff. It just kind of looked like just kind of hanging around here. We're going to try and hit some deep shots every now and then, but we're going to just try and hang around in this game hopefully, Philip rivers throws a couple of interceptions and it was almost like the formula of We saw how Jacksonville the goals and it was Philip rivers throwing bonehead interceptions, and if we can just get a couple of those will win this game. Otherwise we're just GONNA not. Like I don't know what the approach was. I'm surprised that how you know. Like you said offenses that seem so hyper modern just an maybe it's because we get acclimated to the more exciting aspects of it. So after a few years, it's not exciting or whatever it is, but I mean I thought this too. When. You brought up matinees first year it reminded me of chip Kelly's first year in the frequency of wide open receivers you know just like Oh my God how many like this system at the time could have turned anybody in you know Nick Foles, Mark Sanchez, Michael Vick into like world-beating quarterbacks as long as you could hit the broad side of barn and I, think that you know I I'm just wondering like how that goes away. So quickly when Andy Reid still doing it right it's been however long he's been in Kansas City and it seems like the frequency of open receivers is even better every year that he does this whereas like. Some of these other guys, it's like it just compresses a little bit and it gets. It gets less and less. So time but I don't know I mean do is Chicago just sort of trying to play to their strengths and just keep the defense off the field a little longer and they're getting a little more conventional or? Has. It. Really lost. It's kind of that sparkley aspect of it I think it has. Yet it's a it feels like they're trying to recapture the two, thousand, eighteen magic and frankly I don't think that type of magic can be recapture that They were fueled by takeaways in two thousand eighteen and I don't think you can sit here and say we're GonNa take the ball away thirty, five, forty times this year and that's how we're. GonNa win I just don't think that's that's a strategy I mean granted they took it away from the last couple opponents but it's it's not something. You can bank on on a week to week basis and certainly not bank on in a in January. Yeah. They I mean four takeaways over over four games here for this defense it's just not going to be what it was in twenty eighteen. So you gotta come up with something offensively and and again I don't think the answers are on this roster at is what will ultimately find out as the as the year goes on I will say though Matt Ibra Flus Bandwagon is rolling again that colts defense looks. Early dominant and I know they haven't played some world leaders the last couple of weeks but we're seeing what? Are doing across the NFL. We're just no one's tackling in the everyone's getting a million points in they've given up twenty-nine points over the last three weeks and sixteen of those came in absolute garbage time. So really in meaningful football, they are just completely shutting down opponents right now. Yeah. I would say colds fans enjoy him while you can In in working up our head coaching short-list at least for right now in September, and obviously a lot of a lot of that stuff ebbs and flows with the success of the team. But were flus was at the top of many many people's lists in terms of like this guy's GonNa go pretty quickly. So enjoy enjoy it while you still can. All Right Connor get out of here for second his time for the SL fantasy segment presented by draft kings. I'm now joined my Michael Fabiano of the SL finish podcast and SL DOT com slash fantasy. Before we jump into the early waiver wire for week five. GotTa talk a little bit Vonda Adams at the top year for those of you listening on Monday going into Monday night football. Yeah. devante. It was good enough to tweet out that he's not plan tonight I. Wish more players would do that. I guess probably teams frown on that but he tweeted out that he's not going to be able to play so if you're in. Trouble with atoms in your lineup. If you move them to flex which you should have Robert Tynan's probably the best option to get off the waiver wire start over. Adams. If you kept him at wide receiver, the the options are very limited. I would say Damarcus Robinson, demure, bird because Kansas City in New England playing. Also tonight, dairy shepherd and that assume that Guy Kill Harry is not available in most leagues. And I was gonNA say demonte Adams. Goodman spent a trying week for fantasy managers everywhere. So we appreciate it buddy. Well, let's get into the early waiver wire four week five here we'll we'll start off with the running backs. I guess we have we have traditional by weeks coming up here in week five star even though we SORTA surprised and week four right and running backs getting thin like very thin. So the big news is that Austin got hurt and Nick Chubb got hurt. So in La, Joshua Kelly has to be owned and all the he's already. Gone. In all of my leagues. But if you're in a home league, he could be out there got to own them. He's got to be one hundred percent owned right now Justin Jackson also in La should be owned across the board now because the chargers have liked to use two running backs, right? It was actor and Kelly now it's GonNa be Kelly in Jackson Jackson needs to be on Ernest. Johnson had a good game against the cowboys yesterday. Although I would argue that earnest byner probably could have come out of retirement rush for Horny House because my defense stinks and it's disgusting and it makes me sick but he's worth an out off the waiver wire in case Chubb is going to be out for a long period of time chase edmunds has been better than Kenyan drake. Kenyan. Drake is got the bus label written all over him right now right now we hate the drake pick chase Edmunds. Up, and then look at what's going on to Carolina like McCaffrey's is great and all Mike. Davis has been every bit as good. Okay. He's been tremendous and anything happens to my Davis. Reggie Bonafide is the next guy up and yesterday benefit at twelve touches touchdown over fifteen fantasy points. So he is a must add as a handcuff for owners who have Davis because you know we've got covert and injuries all over the place you can never be too safe. I feel like every time I bring you in here. It just turns into semi roast about your cowboys defense here. So Oh, my God it's so disgusting I can't stand it manages just sickening and. Th The team that's in first place as one to win one I mean it's it's it's awful. It I I don't know what they're waiting for Earl Thomas got stink on them obviously because no one wants anything to do with him. Even. The cowboys who, but he's not going to solve the problem. They're just terrible NFC east life. Let's. Let's go receivers here who got. More options more good options, Tim Patrick who had a very good game on Thursday night against the jet seven target six catches over twenty three fantasy points. Broncos are without and Sutton Caja Hammers banged up as well. So Tim Patrick's look t Higgins Aj Green where have you gone? I? Mean he's on a milk carton man higgins over the last two weeks sixteen targets nine catches two touchdowns. Aj Greens on the outside looking in fantasy t higgins is now in the circle of trust trick wants Smith who had a couple of touchdowns against the lions on only four targets now, and Micheal Thomas is going to be back here. Maybe even in week five, we'll see time will tell but trae quad should be added in leagues where he is available, other wide receivers coach Bazeley. Hunter Renfro Scott Miller for as long as Chris Collins going to be out and then David more and deeper leagues because Russia's cooking and all his wide receivers are benefiting at this point. So depending on how big your league as how competitive your league is some of those guys could be available. None of those players is owned and more than forty percent of ESPN lead right now. All right. How about the tight end picture here? Dull Schultz was one of my starts for week four and he played very well eight targets for catches a touchdown over seventeen points against the browns. He's got twenty four targets in the last routes twenty four, the covers thrown at a ton. Dak Prescott your loving things right now. Even if you're a cowboys fan I guess right because if the cowboys can't win games at least is loaded up man the fantasy statutes he's been ridiculous. It's the perfect storm of a great offense and A. Bad Defense I didn't WANNA use a stronger term there although I kind of feel like that mowing laycock's only targets but he did have a touchdown numbers nearly thirteen fantasy points in the last three games the target really wicked low. So he's he's touchdown independent, but he's been pretty good. The last three weeks drew sample. If you're desperate, he had five targets a job rolex to throw the football there was tight ends but tight end. Also, getting, very, very thin on the waiver wire right now and any quarterbacks out there to look up Yeah Justin Herbert Admittedly, I didn't love him coming out of college organ quarterbacks have not had the best luck in the NFL since. Dan. fouts but he's looked pretty good. I mean twenty or twenty, five to ninety two, thousand, three points against the box twenty plus points and two of his first three NFL games his next four games. Saints winner jets. Winter Dolphins Winter Jaguars winner. So that's a hell of a schedule for Herbert over the next four weeks and tell you bridgewater like bridgewater's a fantasy quarterback. Right? He's more of a guy who's going to get fifteen sixteen points per game. He was very good against the cardinals and by the way the cardinals were dreadful to Bridgewater Twenty six point, two points look at his schedule next four games. Atlanta winter bears tough saints winner and then again winner. So bridgewater could be with the by weeks. Here he could end up being a nice streamer and fantasy leagues, and for sure some other guys who should be owned but probably are Ryan Fitzpatrick Twenty plus points in three straight games, and then Gardner makes you. He's available at about fifty percent leagues on ESPN and another twenty point performances against the bengals. and. You promised me you promise me yes Kakker. This week. They don't get enough respect. And in most leads, you started the kicker and most people will be like looking at names. So if the name is big I'll start 'em. Rodriguez blankenship alright I love that name it's it's almost like so good. The first half of his last name is a swear. So you're like clanking. Thirteen points against the raiders. He's got twelve field goal conversions on the year. He's ridiculously accurate. He has scored ten plus points three straight games and the colts offense is conducive to kickers getting ton of opportunities because they don't score a tornado touchdowns there are run based offense and they're giving this kid all kinds of opportunity also wears the cool goggles. Like he's he's I'm a fan so rodrigue Oh freaking blankenship. Pick them up and start them if you need to kick I loved them if there was ever a kicker to be excited about it is Rodrigue. Oh. In fact, I feel like people who pick him up should have to wear the guy on Sundays like. With the helmet over it just he's the man I. Love. All right. FABS always a pleasure. You will be back next Monday on our show, but you're here all the time during the week. So subscribe to the. PODCAST CATCH HIM ON ESA dot, com slash fantasy. You get Outta here now connor or you come back in, we still have more Sunday action to talk about. So we got the winless Vikings visiting the winless Texans and Now, the Vikings are no longer winless and it was a very Mike, Zimmer of the sort of game flow here a ton of a ton of time of possession here for the Vikings, lots of rushing attempts and the defense hold on Harrison Smith got tossed in this one for home, and by the way I know, Mike, Zimmer was steamed I know some vikings fans were seen but that is if you ear hole a guy with a cranial helmet, even if it's sort of a like. He didn't know the guy was going to be dipping his. Smith. Not a dirty player by any means. But if you ear hole a guy with the cranial helmet, you're going to get adjusted this year. That's that's the rule. Now, that's how it's going to work. But let's talk about this Texans. Team the receivers. Lots of speed. They just don't get a lot of separation and quite frankly sometimes when they do get separation deshaun Watson just holding onto the ball because he doesn't he doesn't. Trust his guys out. There is what feels like right now and they did mount some offense late and they did yell almost come all the way back and force overtime but. It's Things aren't really getting better and use them right now it brought back memories of being beat writer for the jets and the giants in the two, thousand, ten through two, thousand fourteen. Years where there was a lot of A. Lot Of meagerness going on right and what you do if you're a beat writer, your first instinct when the team is Owen four is to call up the members of the nineteen ninety two. San. Diego chargers who are the only own fourteen ever in modern history to reach the playoffs. I went to that well, so many times that once when the giants started the your own four I went to go open my mouth to ask Tom Coughlin a question and he said I know I know the one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, two San Diego chargers. But So my point there is that the Texans were one of six teams in two thousand eighteen to start Owen three and make the playoffs. They're not making the playoffs this year and I think everything is a disaster to the point where. I brought this up in a column that I wrote today is that Laremy Tunsil is a top five left tackle I. think that's for sure true. And, it was true last year he was good enough on his own to. Know, if you like PF rankings which I do, the Texans were the worst offensive line in football and twenty eighteen, and there were the twentieth best in twenty nineteen. So singlehandedly, he brought that average up so so much. So but through four weeks to Sean Watson's pressure rate is higher than it's been since before the Laremy Tunsil trait. So if your team if to Shawn Watson still getting crushed are still seeing a lot of pressure and you traded all of your assets for one piece of this puzzle and it's not making a difference across the board. Like I think all of a sudden his little house of cards that he's constructed is GonNa come tumbling down like a lot of the moves that he's made Bill O'Brien, the GM, and desperation to help Bill O'Brien the coach I mean you know I kind of broke it all down. It's looking pretty meager. You know this is this is not a good looking roster and yes, the schedule socks but you knew that going in, you knew that you didn't know the order necessarily but you knew you were going to have to play all these teams. Yeah it's there's a lack of efficiency to the move they've made I mean Larry Tunnels. Good. Player in everyone should want him but It becomes a question of how much are you going to pay for him and? Boy they paid a whole lot and it's The Miami. Dolphins, how hard you celebrating right now like I mean it's believable. You're going to have a decently high first round draft pick of your own, and then possibly like the number three pick in the NFL draft. Do, you take trevor. Lawrence is the tour is the two era over in Miami that's a hard to get to talk about della all offseason. Gets out there week ten, and if he does not immediately like the world on fire That's the thing though there's an you know and this is a discussion for another day but I'll just leave it at this. There's going to be a team that does not need him. That is going to trip into him at this point like if you're looking at the state of play like unless the Chicago bears totally tank you know and lose the remainder of their games or something like that like the panthers aren't going to sit at the number one pick and. That's team that could obviously use a quarterback You know none of the bridge teams like the saints or the buccaneers of the Falcons are going to trip that far I don't think and you're going to get either the jets giants the for the Texans like one of these teams that have a franchise quarterback maybe even the dolphins that are going to have to choose between keeping their guy in drafting The Best Prospect we've seen since Andrew. Luck it's pretty interesting. Let's Let's go to Let's go to Las Vegas. How about the bills? Foreign. Buffalo Bills Josh Allen again just. I mean he's he's not missing Downfield any any any questions about the biggest weakness in his game have suddenly been been answered with the with near Perfection as far as his downfield thrown goes. And Look I. It's kind of made up for the facts. If you're a bills fan I think the thing you worry about right now is the fact that the pass rush which already wasn't great. has really dried up the last two weeks or I should say like last six quarters of football point and I thought the points they gave up against the rams was a lot of jared goff just playing really rule I thought that second half in Buffalo was as good as your golf has ever played but they just didn't really have it go in in Las Vegas defensively the the raiders did move the ball. You wonder if the pass defense is going to be a little bit susceptible but boy it's it's it's Josh Allen Allen is carrying this thing right now. Yeah, who would've thought we'd be saying that right now and this is starting to turn into one of those classic twenty twenty things where at least this is a successful thing but were you look around and you're like this can't keep going canet like things can't keep going like this. But with the bills, I do think that we're starting to see some sustainability you know and this is a. Team that might not bottom out level outlook everybody keeps thinking they will, which is men. It's fascinating I mean he's top tier player right now and shout out to Bills. Fan Sam Wagner who found my direct messages after I picked the bills to start the season seven and nine and he reaches out to me two or three times a week just to ask me how am still employed. The the short answer is I don't know Sam but you know it's it's good for you I, hope that you and the rest of bills Mafia are enjoying this right now it's Yeah. Human Resources is sort of a drop in the ball there we we I I keep on flagging connor for for Yo. That seven nine prediction. With, this one no. So Josh Allen and and what are we're GONNA talk about Josh Allen a million times between now and I don't know his his twelfth MVP award but Josh Allen Look I. Think the Cam Newton comparison has always been spot on going back to Wyoming he just ran a different kind of offense in college than Camden He is streaky Cam streaky Josh. Allen is tricky I. Think you're going to see some some bad trees I mean you're going to see some games where he leaves. You know eight to ten throws on the field and and that's that's sort of the way it's going to end up being with him however, I, will say. Stefan digs is is a difference maker seven digs was absolutely just just A. I mean he was the perfect addition to this offense You know a guy like John Brown is his speed Kobe Beasley, his ability to separate underneath. He has a collection of weapons that can never had in. Carolina. So it's almost like you're you're. Perhaps. We're GONNA see over the next couple of years what Cam, could have been sustained over a four or five year run. Had the panthers provided him with the type of offense that that that the bills have provided Josh Allen with? The it you get to Max out your guy, and that's a that's a nice thing to bills are very, very lucky that I think that owners in large part don't know how to run football franchises and that they were able to hang on to Brian Cabell for another year like I think that if anybody was tracking this sort of thing like all these owners claimed to have shortlists of of coaches and that they're constantly studying the stuff when in reality they just punt and handed off to some search firm at the last minute because they don't. Care but you know if anybody was really looking at what Josh Allen came out as in the in the actual day to day work that was put into bringing him to this point and the understanding of him as a player and how that reflects the scheme like there would be no way. He would still have as offensive coordinator right now and I think it would be a different story but I think it's a it's a really interesting and fortunate that he was able to kind of have that stability at the position a lot of these other guys. Have not been able to have not been that. Lucky. The other thing that deba is he has worked for Belichick and saving. So you'd think that alone. Would very much have on people's Joe Judge hired as from special teams, which is like almost impossible to do and I know you coach wide receivers and he's a good head coach. But like yeah, the Belichick Sabin thing was like you know next to next to being shown McVeigh's Valet in two thousand eighteen. That was about the hottest thing that you could put on your resume. According to Wikipedia Matt Patricia used to also work with Bill Belichick. Mayans you know little. Spark of optimism after the go down to Arizona and pull off the upset last week this defense was. It was helpless against the Michael Thomas? Lists and Jared Cook Lists Saints. Drew. brees. Just sort of feasted on them. Lada lot of crossers just it's IT'S A. It's a team with no pass rush and it's a team that really struggles to cover to cover Man and demand I I don't know what the answer is being here with this lines defense and Patricia taken a lot of heat across the twitter verse on Monday morning because he he was, he was asked about, you know, why are you still the guy here and he sort of Said? Yellow there are a lot of things that need fixing I should've pulled up the exact quote but you know he he was asked and he said he owned there are a lot of things that need fixing when I got here and people sort of will point out that you know they were. They were they had winning records under Jim Caldwell pretty consistently I do allow for the fact that you can look at a team like that and say, like you know, hey, we gotta get to the next level and that's GonNa. Take a bit of a step back. Matt Patricia seems to. He he he had a lot of guys. You didn't buy into a system early on and therefore you want to bring in the guys that will buy into your system. But you kind of you've had a chance to do that over the last three years here and yell you you you moved on from a quandary digs for pennies on the dollar you moved on from Darius Lane, you got your guys in the secondary and. It's still maybe it clicks in the second half of the year but right now it is. It is definitively. Yeah, I, you know I don't think he deserves to have another offseason where he essentially just signs all the guys that Bill Belichick wants to get rid of again and then convinces himself. This is going to get fix this is broken and like we were talking about a little bit with Houston and perhaps even worse because they have a franchise quarterback that's getting up there in years like this is a roster that's going to be in really bad shape for whoever gets the job after this too right I mean it's you know it's a I guess it's theoretically like a poor man's effort. Reconstructing that Amoebic Patriots Defense, but it's not working and you know no other coach can really do that outside of Bill Belichick and put something together like that may be Don Martindale in Baltimore but and maybe that's who you need to go higher. I don't know but it's one of those things where you know this this roster is going to be in bad shape for a little while and you know I think that every coach leans on that right that a wall needed so much fixing I mean look the narrative been in New York ever since Adam gazes gotten there. But at some point, you have to fix it like you don't get five years to do this at unless you're Jon Gruden. Let's Let's go down to Carolina Matt, Rules Panthers Go to to and to Matt rule putting in the a his petition for NFL. Coach of the year this year too and to both winds coming without Christian, McCaffrey you're seeing inefficient offense you're seeing teddy bridgewater do occasional things that are very une teddy bridgewater like both good and bad. He had. He had long scramble for a TD I. Think it was like his first td in like a rushing td I should say five years he is he's making some kind of reckless throws as well, which is not what we're used to do, but he got away with them against. Arizona on Sunday but. They are they're making a working. Carolina and that rule deserves a lot of credit for that. Definitely and just the Teddy Bridgewater looks like an I. Guess You could credit the saints for that as well and sort of his time there but teddy bridgewater looks like a good nfl quarterback immunity looks like an Alex Smith plus like you said, there's probably a little bit more of the variants in the bad throws the bad decision throws but not to the point where I would put him anywhere near like destructive you know. Anything like that. He's and if anything he needed a little touch of that anyway exactly it's it's kind of I don't WanNa say it's nice to see when you put a ball into a defender's hands but it's kind of like. All right. Well, let's let's open this thing up a little bit. Let's take some chances. Yeah. No totally agree and I think that they've done a great job with. Him to the point where I mean. We joked about this but they were the one logical fit for Trevor Lawrence and they've taken themselves completely out of the race there. But if I'm panthers fan I'm okay with Teddy Bridgewater being quarterback for the next three years you know you sign them through the life of that deal and we probably get to see what he would have evolved into in Minnesota. Had, he not had that horrific knee injury. So I think we're finally getting to get a fuller look at him and We're also getting kind of a neat picture of what Joe Brady's idea for this team is in the future and and that the team that I think is is definitely going to be a pain in the butt I think for teams throughout the year in Arizona found that out this weekend. I will My Gut feeling is I will regret saying this but and that cliff Kingsbury will get this figured out but I hate this cardinals offense right now I hate it. It's all it's it's it's quick strike or it's cuyler scrambling. They were they were five point, five yards per reception in Carolina per reception. I mean that's I mean. That's that's unreal for this day and age and look the added under Hopkins. They get a world class receiver and the issue last year with Tyler was. Intermediate and deep intermediate levels. He just wasn't very good at those levels and and quite frankly he was being asked to make a lot of difficult throws to those levels. They didn't have receivers who were who were separating you do kind of wonder if it. Comes with him because. He is he is so undersized but I mean it is. It is. Quarter way through the season. It's not getting better as far as that goes and it's just it's a limited offense right now. And cuyler will make place some weeks but that's not the kind of thing you can bank on. You can't say like, well, it's important. Tyler is going to scramble for sixty yards and we'll be all right. You can't do that. You gotta come up with something you can't run an offense especially, you know an looked a new what their percentage of four wide you said was last year and how was probably about twenty eight percent higher than any other team in the NFL. I'm assuming that's probably close to that this year too. But you can't run that kind of offense and attempt thirty, one balls a day and that's on the low end and only throw for one hundred, thirty, three yards like it's not It's not the way that works and you need to mix it up. You need to get the ball downfield I think Hopkins wasn't able to get. didn't even have a target in the first quarter of this game if I'm not mistaken I think it took him a while to get involved there. So Yeah I. Don't know and they have all the components of which just doesn't make sense I. Mean Your Third Wide Receivers crushing Kirk where you know if you know the state of the wide receiver around the NFL if you put him on. Ten or twelve teams he would probably be close to their number one or number two like you have talent layered throughout the roster there and I'm just not sure why it's not taking as well as it should be. Yeah we'll like I. said clippings. Berry. Has a chance to figure out here. That's the guy that Steve Khan want to bring in to run this program and he probably will in all sound stupid but right now I I I just hate it Let's let's go out to la where the giants giants were game in this game. That's a that's a terrible turn of phrase but I'll stick with it they were right there. This A. This is an absolute dogfight here. the giants hung around throughout this one rams, the game with a with a pri Ram like scoring drive. It was just kind of like. All right. Well, here we go. This is going to be a forty one to seven and the Ramsey nothing after that, they had one hundred, seventy, five yards of offense over there. nine drives after the opening drive and that was with a fifty five yard Cooper Cup td folded in there. So often for the rams a little bit worrisome there but. The giants you seem uninterested in scoring points and I I you gotTa do something you got to come up with something new. Yeah I would say that that's a difficult prospect to win. You've hired Jayson Garrett as your offensive coordinator who hasn't really come up with anything new since two thousand four when he was the hot coaching name on the market and I think it's just you know this offense is just it lacks any sort of panache like there is just no nothing about it that differ. Differentiates it from the rest of the NFL and I will say that Daniel Jones is hanging in there. I do think he's playing a better than he's been given credit for. But if you you know he's making really good throws and Dr inning interception at the end of the game when they were down eight points yesterday was a great play right I mean the rams made. Some great play, defensive place yesterday and of course, there's some bad turnovers too. But this offense is just so uninteresting and it's just incredible. You know I don't know what else to say about it. I will say the one nice thing that's going for the giants that we did see yesterday's that defensive line is very good you know is it worth it? of the resources Dave Gentleman's pulled into getting that I. I'm not sure but I mean they did play ineffective game against the rams they did kind of hold them enforce them to do some things that were a little bit more uncomfortable but that said if you can't bring your offense around and score twenty, one points NFL game I don't know what you're doing there. seahawks get get quite the battle of Miami. This was a one possession game pretty much throughout here and Miami ended up just kicking field goals when they got down the scoring range and that's that's where this during the one thing I. I wrote about this on Sunday morning the seahawks red zone offense has been just spectacular. At least coming into this game, they were nine for nine. They actually stretch that to ten for ten, not only on the only one third down in the red zone they were scoring. So easily really good playcalling really creative stuff going on down there and this one that that dried up they had they had a turnover on downs. Russ actually threw an interception sort is I legitimate interception of the year from the six yard line and that's what ends up having the dolphins kind of hanging around in this one. But y'know look the dolphins are not a world-beating offense but the fact that the seahawks defense held on without Jamal Adams is I. Guess that's a plus at this point. Yeah you know they're just This is one of those games that like I'm not GonNa lie if if you were able like if you were not in Seattle and you you watch this with a great deal of interest like good for you I mean I I was struggling to come up with things to watch in the four pm our yesterday was this a four PM or one? That was a one. This is a one. Yeah. I was st the back end of that one PM schedule and the four PM schedule I was struggling and I watch every game every week this is on my list but like holy smokes I, mean this was if you if you gutted this thing out without a. Seattle fandom interest, or you know very deep fantasy football rooting interest good for you. I mean, there are some just overtly boring games this weekend and they just in from the beginning This is just one of those weeks but man, this was a good for you if you watch the this entire thing. Let's Joe Borough Joe Borough gets his first career win here Of Joe Borough Lot of Joe Mixon, this offensive line holds up I. Don't know if the Jaguars front fours, really challenging teams that much. But this was another step forward for the bengals here so good on them. I think we're GONNA look back at the Jaguars win over the colts as one of the most insane things that happened in this twenty twenty season that they have not been playing as well. Gardner you continues to play really well, which is really interesting for them moving forward. But yeah, good for Joe Borough, I. Think we're starting to see a little bit of what the Bengals saw not only him but in Zach Taylor too I think he's GonNa coming into his own as a little bit and it doesn't have the pressure of that kind of sinking ship He can kind of start building on something there. So yeah, I think the the bengals are looking good. It was nice. Is that taste of if the bengals ever get right on offensive line here's what here's what you're gonNA see going. Forward so a nice day for them and the Ravens Kinda Kinda get right The offense still doesn't look like it's it's fully clicking like it was a year ago and and the absence of Marshall Janda is probably GonNa haunt them throughout the year but the Ravens get a pretty easy win against football team in the nation's capital their store in this game dwayne Haskins was kind of on call going to this one and was he gonNa get bench mid Games he played well enough to keep his job in this one he continues to sprinkling a couple of really nice big throws. Everyone's sort of getting on them for this fourth and goal throw. He made well short of the goal line that just it was a bad decision but it wasn't the kind of thing that you look at it and say like boy, he's. He's not seen the field or something like that. He just he made a boneheaded decision in that just kind of his how goes do you think that Ron Rivera just gives him the season So he can show fans like, okay. This is the sample size. Now may I go out and get somebody that I like a little bit more and is an indictment haskins but Rivera wasn't sold on him in the first place right I mean you know he was talking about potentially taking a quarterback at number two you know he signed Kyle in. And wouldn't immediately count him out of the quarterback competition this off season, and so I think that you know it might be one of those things where it's like okay. Well, we're going to give him the year. We're going to pour all the resources. Then he has a very good offensive coordinator and we're going to just let that speak for itself. I will I will take very pollyannish look and just say I do think Rivera was was very open to gin. Mashad I mean doing Haskins has the physical traits that you look for in a in a starting quarterback here and just saying, okay, let's let's see what we have this year and I do think it was. In, that Cleveland loss I think that sunk to a level where you were legitimately going to have a difficult time basically facing the locker room if you continue to run him out there when he's playing like that but he he was certainly above that level against a really good ravens defense and he's GonNa make mistakes and you try and less knows mistakes week in week out and young this is this is all right for them. Yeah it's fine. It's good The. For once they're not the epitome of dysfunction they as they once were good good for you. It's a pity me of dysfunction is a is, is one of my favorite Dan. Snyder Solo albums. Connor or? You have your own podcast feed. Now while you share it with Rentis I mean you know if anything it's Jenny RENTA's end connor or is the landlord I'm I'm renting Is the weeks ipod gas has his own feed subscribe to it. Now I always like when you join me on the show and I'm just going to make you keep doing it for the first part of the season here. 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Making Sense of Muddled QB Situations | The Dantasy Football Podcast (Ep. 352)

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Making Sense of Muddled QB Situations | The Dantasy Football Podcast (Ep. 352)

"Belvedere vodka produced in one of the world's longest running. Stiller is Belvedere vodka is the world's finest all natural vodka Belvedere is made with non GMO polish ri- pure water, and no added zero recognized for quality Belvedere was named the world vodka producer of the year in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen and 2017. Enjoy delicious cocktail Belvedere vodka today. And remember to always drink responsibly. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the dancy football podcast. I enjoyed as always by my co host and co Danny daddy Kelly. What is up de que? What's going on, man? How you doing? Hi, m portable because I have any doubt in the ring your fantasy league. And it's a two quarterback leak, and we also have Mitch Trubisky. We're screwed injuries this week. Actually, we're having that battle of attrition late in the season. Where people have to really adapt that stuff. Yeah. Restrict. Oh, I forgot Craig Jim. How are you guys? Are you Craig, thanks? I'm great. Also, I think Jim might not have a Mike. But Jim, you're beautiful. I know. Mike. I look at that. He's going to sleek. Well, Jim, why are you guys are both their Jim how do you feel about Batman music for the decay stark nights? Sure head it, really. What about if the blue fire dark Knight? Never mind never mind. We're in hurry. Anyway. All right. Let's get into some dark nights for this week. Obviously it's the last week of the fantasy regular season for many people. So real doer Di week. So let's just dive in showy. Yeah. Go ahead. What who do you who do you got I on your list? I have some real hard hitting fantasy analysis to start off with. We're just gonna call this like working title. No shit Sherlock. Austin? Cler? The charges, obviously. So Melvin Gordon has an MC L sprain. He's not likely to be out for the season. But is week to week at the moment. And we've talked about this before about handcuffing back in vogue can do a lot of things. Gordon can do. He's not quite as good. But he's shockingly competent for draft pedigree. And all that. Yeah. He's good. He's very good. I think he can get you eighty percent of a Gordon was doing it's not everything. So if you have extra hopefully, you handcuff them, but if not I definitely you can plug them in very sad. I'm so sad that I didn't get him in more leagues and just hold onto him because. Yeah. I mean, he he's explosive. He was believe you was sparked God back in the day before he was drafted really fast, really explosive good receiver slippery. He he's very good. I I it you can make the argument that he's not getting enough touches and that offense obviously tough to take away touches from Gordon's because he's so good this year. But. Sport play to be clear. You mean speed power Chile reaction quickness? Yes. The chargers number two running backs or like they're receiving backs are always good. They had sprawls Woodhead. Michael Turner was a backup there at one point now echo. Yeah. Pregnant history lesson look at you. I love it. Yeah. That's a good play going up against the Steelers this week MCI Andries typically are at least two weeks probably more like three something to keep in mind week fourteen. They get the Bengals which has we know is basically the the best fantasy defense to be going up against if you're any position. So that's a good one. My first initial advice about my dark night this week. Gus Edwards of the ravens. I think we can kind of say at this point that he is officially arrived. There's still going to have to deal with the running back by committee in in Baltimore because you know, you've got Alex Collins time on Gumri buckle, and they're all kind of in the in the fixture there. I think with two straight one hundred yard games. You know, obviously, he's working really well with a Lamar Jackson in that offense. He's downhill guy. I just think he's started. He's really started to emerge doesn't seem like they really hike. Alex Collins all that much anyway, so going forward, I think Edwards is guy. Jason lockenfora reported that yesterday actually that advertises quote, definitely the guy in the ravens backfield. He said that the coaches believe he's more instinctive dance in the backfield. Like the other Baltimore running backs, and I saw this. I take this up for the last two weeks Edward Edwards ranks first in broken tackles on Russia's thirteen. I in allusive rating and second in yards after contact per rush. Four point one among qualifying Russia's so minimum twenty four times behind only saquon Barkley. So he. K was that. That's why they call them. Gus the bus us. Cost the boss, baby. So you hall, he's not the whole. He's the bus. Jerem bus wasn't even that good moving on. All right. Yeah, I'm stuck with that. Drove better last one from me so Morlin MAC, obviously, he suffered a concussion on Sunday. Obviously, this is very much like monitor his status throughout the week. But if he's not able to play next week. I love how God. Speaking of names gonna miss up Naim Hines Naim. I think. Yeah. Well, he looked wonderful on Sunday. I really liked the way he was running. He I mean, he. Yes, wonderful. I love his blend of speed. But also, you can lowers your shoulders truck people. But he also has really quick in the open field. He's been there pass catching guy. So I I like him a lot more than Jordan Wilkins. And I certainly like him more MAC is out because they're playing the Jaguars. I actually like him because I think he can be on the field between tackle situations. But also if they need third and along and all those things like I think he's just a more versatile piece, and I would actually play him with a fair bit of confidence. If he's going to be out because I think the pass catching gives them a volume a poor man's James white so live nine high Hines is fun. He for. Really in the season. Like, he was he kind of emerged as the leader that that group before MAC guy back, and he was really looking solid catching a lot of passes. There was that one game. I think it was against the Texans where he like skied up over a defender in grabbed a touchdown. He's got natural receiving skill. So I like I like Heinz I think he has potential, you know, be good down the line to like just in the next couple of seasons. So keep him in mind to just go onto the next guy. Or do you got anything else? Let's let's just roll indicate this is right. This is your boy Cameron bright with OJ Howard on the on the injured reserve a break kind of inherits a lot of the volume in that that offense in terms of the title position. We've talked about it many times on this podcast is a red zone. Master. Actually saw this from Matthew berry on Twitter. He's accounted for twenty eight percent of Winstons touchdown passes. Since the beginning of last season, which is crazy notes. One third almost. And so he's still kind of just like this touchdown upside. Play only he's not going to catch a lot of passes. He's not gonna be news. Not like a PBR star or anything like that. But all he does is score. Touchdown. So last week. He caught three catches. I'm for targets twenty six hours and a touchdown. He's the only buccaneer with the red zone look last week and going up against the Panthers this week who have given up the most fancy points per game two tight end position this year. So I think it's a good matchup, and they're probably, you know, the game scripts are just going to match up with what you what you want from that. And so I think bread's good play going forward. Yeah. Braids splits with Winston Fitzpatrick and has been absolutely night and day. It's been fascinated to watch that happen. We're gonna touch on that a little bit later actually the last one for me. I think I said that for Hines, but this is the real last one for me you mentioned him. Last week. I mentioned a few weeks ago we love Josh Adams on the eagles. Yeah. He had twenty two carries for eighty four yards. A touchdown hilson. Just looked great it forty eight yards after first contact and then between the tackles at sixteen carries for seventy seven yards. According to eastern, stats and info, they're going into the Redskins which have not been able to deal with the run as as well as they should have their defenses kind of phone off along with Robinson the last few weeks, and then according to rota world Doug Peterson said yes, get Josh Adams more work each week. He's basically been named the feature back court Clement ripped off a couple runs last week. But it was really more the result of open holes. I think Adams was the best runner was the most decisive runner. He's really breaking off chunks more consistently. He's doing more with less than the other guys in each gives the job. And he's fantastic. I think eagles offense is doing better. They have an interesting schedule commitments. I really love Josh Adams this week and the rest of the fancy gloves. Yeah. I mean, Adams's kind of the the foundational back in that. I think opens things up for Clement, but he's not getting. Like commenced? It's not going to get the same volume. I think like you said is the guy now he's physically can run between the tackles. They no one else on that team kinda has the same attributes his him in. So it makes perfect sense. It's actually kinda frustrating. Why took him so long to kind of get to this point. But that's the NFL for you. My last. He was a rookie. And I think it. Yeah. It is true. I think the two months in the middle of the season can be really huge for rookie sometimes site might be a blessing in disguise. Absolutely. My last guy is actually two guys in it is again, it's another one of these contingent on kind of what happens going forward, but it might be worth a waiver claim before all this stuff goes down TJ in our Carlos Hyde for the Jaguars going up against the colts this week if for net get suspended for throwing a punch, I don't know. Like, I actually don't know ahead. Like what the history is of in terms of guys getting suspended for that kind of stuff. Typically, I would guess I would lean towards him not getting suspended. But you just never know. If he does get if four not does get suspended this week, then that's a huge opportunity for hydrogel than both. Really? I think hide is going to dominate the early down work red zone. Red zone action. He forget is actually gobbled up thirteen resumes in the last three weeks. He's just getting tons and tons of reds. Mucks the next closest skilled player on the team is actually hide in that time with just two. So four net is out there's tons and tons of opportunity for scoring there. And you can have a very key add in terms of hydrogel than late in the season. When you when you might have when you're dealing with some injuries or whatever. So that's something to keep in mind. Yeah, I think it's unlikely at this point that Fornet it's gonna get suspended, but you'll probably know this around by Tuesday afternoon, there be probably something very definitive on this. But if it does get suspended definitely great play. But I don't think he's going to be to be honest. Yeah. Probably worst case scenario though. Honestly, it's it's a good handcuffed. So exactly that's actually, I I think that's actually the better play because I think four nets injuries one. That's very easy to linger. And right true. We just talked about Bortles now or we're going to get. Yeah. We'll get to Bortles in our third segment. Yeah. Before we move on. Let's take a quick break. 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Our decay. Let's hop into a little waiver wire lightning round. Obviously, we don't know your leagues as well. As everyone listening does. But we have thoughts. So whether adding somebody your bench, maybe you'd aided toss when these guys down your lineup. We just want to keep an eye on them. We're going to give some thoughts on we give you guys the autonomy to to make choices. So really really nice of us. Yeah. That's life, man. This one's interesting. Chris Thompson of the Redskins. I had him. This is fascinated me. So he's fantastic. But it's actually a similar story to last year where the beginning of the season. He was great. He's like the I mean in running back standards krislindahl that are in. But you know, he's late twenties. And he's just became this like Uber pass catching back late in his career. He never looked put up huge volume until last season. And he was like almost like a top ten finish your running back. And then he league broke his leg. Coming back this year. He came in. I think it was kind of still hesitant to really put a ton of weight and really trust that the injury had healed. And then coming into the season he once against getting a lot of passing volume, and then he got hurt again. So he really has just been out for the last eight nine weeks. I think cracking quote me on that if I'm wrong, but he has actually ownership drop to all the way to half of Yahoo leagues. Even though he was like a top twenty guy when he was playing and he's finally back. So one hand this is not. All reliable predictable. I mean know you're going gonna be we've not how much he's going to spill Peterson. We've any anything we have no idea how healthy is yada yada, yada on the other hand if you are like scrounging at running back right now when you have no idea what your second third guy is going to be in the blouse. This is a fantastic like flyer because two weeks from now he might he might be able to get one of those ten catches for one hundred yards and a couple touchdowns kind of games. So I think he's about as good of a flyer. You can do it. This time of the year for someone that's around half owned, and you're just trying to get a flyer for maybe blouse. He's one of the few guys that is on the waiver wire right now that could be starting on a fantasy championship team in four weeks. It's a more concise way of saying it but find Craig he had fourteen targets thirteen catches in ninety two yards in week two. I mean, yeah, he I really liked Thompson. I've been kind of keep an eye on 'em just because like Craigslist. I mean, he's he's the kind of guy that you can plug into your starting lineup if he's gonna be playing if he's giving me healthy. But yeah. Him until I see him on the field. I'm a little more conservative. Right. But I like him a lot eagles have given up fourth most receptions running back this year with Colt McCoy in there. And we'll get into this later in the show it could change the dynamic of their offense McCoy if he's looking for sort of like a dump off option screens, you know, swing passes the things like that. That's where Thompson really excels that's not really aging Peterson's game. So I think yeah, I think Thompson's an interesting one if he's out there. I'm definitely adding him. So yeah, I like that one line next guy. Bruce Ellington, the lions going up against the Rams this week, former Texan in forty Niner kind of shifty, you know, speedy slot kind of receiver who who could see his role elevated in in Detroit. Now that Marvin Jones is on the chart. We just found that out today on Monday Marvin Jones is done for the year. So that kind of opens things up in that offense, obviously. Any gala day is gonna be the clear cut number one. If he wasn't already, but I think it it does kind of give other guys in that offense chance to step up. The the alliance actually have an incredible amount of receivers named Jones. So Jones gone TJ Jones and Andy Jones are also kind of there behind him. But I think Ellington is gonna be kind of the the main beneficiary that he's got twelve catches on sixteen targets in the last two games. Second on the team and targets our last two games. He's running forty six percent of out of his routes out of the slot per BFF. What do we think about sloughed receivers? We love them. And the Rams are points. Anti-aging crew. Exactly. He's why did he get thinner better? Ten. I can't believe that there's three guys then Jones, and you're picking the guy named Bruce. All right. Well, I think we've reached the may Ecopa section of this podcast. And yet talking about Larry Garrett blunt who I slandered maybe on the mod cast lousy go that far I wouldn't go that far. He had a very Garrity game. Obviously had two touchdowns after we question. Whether we should just rely on whether he's gonna get go line touchdowns, an eighty eight yards on thanksgiving. I'm still torn here. Because I think the original logic us last week. I still believe in which is are you going to like go down in your fantasy playoffs like losing because you Garrett blunt and he got like fourteen or like forty yards and no touchdowns. But at the same time like maybe he's just going to keep getting these touchdowns. So I am admittedly weakened staggering in my stance. But I'm standing true. I still don't wanna go blunt playing. Yeah. Probably worth picking up. But I still won't plan. I mean, yeah, it's one of those things where I guess if you don't have any better options, go ahead and play him. But it's your I agree with your logic, though. Craig is a carry on owner. I don't know fantasy. I feel like more and more as I get older just about swallowing your pride. Just. Understanding that you know, what I'm going to start with Gary blunt. So am I going to be starting Eric run this week? Yeah. Why I am? Well, that that's kind of you know, that's a whole other story now that Jack Doyle's on the injured reserve. But even if he hadn't gone onto injured reserve just kinda like at this point resigned to the fact that that Eric Brown is just going to score touchdowns. So yeah, it's just one of those things speaking of swallowing your pride, Danny hyphen, Steve anything to say. Yeah. Mark Cooper is gonna lose everyone. Their fantasy. You stick with the men. It's all just rope. And you back in. It's just it's just it's please play in the longest. It's pretty lonely on top of that hill. You're on. Yeah. But you know, what you can you can see the truth from up here. Oh my gosh. I love it. I will die on this hill. You are dying on this. Gasping for air. Anyway. All right. My next guy Robert Foster the bills really kind of like a deep cut hate them. More coober God, dammit. Yes. Yes. Anyway, back to so with the bills offense, obviously, it's really tough to trust. Anybody on this team fosters kind of emerged as a playmaker for this. For these guys. He's an undrafted free agent out of Alabama. He has catches four seven yards forty three hundred seventy five yards in the last two games hundred sixty five yards total in the last two games, which almost reaches what his last season at Alabama. He's a former high school I E mail American in a top-five receiver, recruit nationally, according to his NFL dot com. Scouting report I have to admit, I didn't know a whole lot about him before the draft. But he's kind of come out. He's kinda come out of nowhere and making some place for that team. Obviously with Josh Allen having a big arm having a deep threat like that is kind of interesting if you're really desperate. But for me, I'm like he's more like an ad kinda stash on your bench and see how things go, but it's not necessarily kinda guy want to depend on in the final week of the regular season or last two weeks of the regular season. If you're like, really? Trying to win your when you're league or whatever get to a playoff. They should say. I agree. I'm so finicky about trusting receivers. But as Craig says, we almost swallow our pride, and I think. Like Jarvis Landry is a great example someone that I am just up to here with. I'm thinking about this. And I'm thinking my mind, if I would cut like Cortlandt Sutton for like Robert Foster and how man Sutton had what one catch crushed bay crush, my heart crush me last one. I like the titan. I love Gerald on the Rams. I mean, obviously sweet could play three touchdowns at a two point versions last two games. Two touchdowns against the chiefs. He he looked fantastic. I mean, obviously, that's you kinda got through that game out because that was just like such an epic till hundred points. Yeah. But at the same time, I think every in Josh Reynolds, really did split a lot of volume that usually would have gone to Cooper Cup and other people, and I think ever it was a bigger part of the passing game. And I'm interested to see if the titans get more involved than passing than we've seen under McVay this season. So I'm actually really I mean titans just such a wasteland right now. I mean, Evan Ingram might be back this week. Maybe not Doyle's. I mean, I it's just such a disaster that like you could really do worse than like a fifty fifty shot that like the rims really get their tight ends. Go. Going and stick to it. I mean, I like Everett more than Hague-based. So maybe he just like a a match of thing you go back and forth. But I think Everett's a better play for like I'd rather bet on Everett. So every was was that ever their top pick a couple of years ago. I mean, he was he was the second round or, but he was the first pick of the draft. I wanna say so they obviously feel very highly about him. He's a great athlete dynamic player. You know? I don't know. I it's just really tough to predict what's going to happen with tight end position in so. Yeah. And you know who else went down. And is that now, and I are Zan. Says Jeff tell yet, dammit the size, Jeff, Hugh higher minute. I think. Yeah. I think that's it. But anyway, yeah, he's I think he's out for the season. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. If you're if you're desperate for me. Cisgender people are medium sized Gerald isn last one. I I like this one. Yes. So Josh dachshunds the Redskins. He is a former first rounder very good college player who I liked a lot has had a lot of struggles early in his career has not really developed into what I think a lot of people thought he would be but coming into this week. It seems like he's he's kinda just ready to break out after sm- Alex Smith broke his leg Aucoin came in and targeted Doksan on. I think it was five hundred twelve throws last week. He had ten targets. Six catches six yards seems like McCoy really kinda likes going to dachshund. So that is a potential like like we talked about with Winston things like that. It's just potential chemistry play and dachshunds got the talent. I think and going forward if you're looking for a receiver to potentially plug in the flex got injuries, or whatever I think he's an option just because there's not a lot of guys in that offense right now. Yeah, we're going to get in to chemistry stuff. Next segment. We wanted to highlight dachshund because I mean, so this was I mean, they took him in the first round at TCU. He's like jump all specialise. He's just ABC yet huge catch radius can just leap in a bunch of ridiculous catch abilities. And all that. But lot of foot injuries is first couple of years and really stopped him from getting NFL reps at NFL Speedo already going to separation was already going to be the thing you to work on. And then you have these injuries. And then you're not getting rep. So it's really hard on the one hand, I'm curious Colt. Mccoy's actually had more time with him than normal than normal back of wood because of his struggles to get to the starting level. So such kind of intriguing now almost more so than it was before for me. The eagles also have many problems in their secondary. So they're giving up the second most fantasy points. So receivers this year. They're just injury riddled back there can't stop anybody. So that that's another factor. Oh, yeah. I'm going to read you listed names and tell me who are characters in. Wreck it Ralph to and who are Cornerbacks playing for the eagles. This season Irv now that they have for their top five guys hurt has that. Yeah. Let's do this. I have no idea. Number one wreck it Ralph. Guys who are playing for the record Ralph characters. Devante BAAs b. Sola VIN craven LeBlanc. I know. Devante Bazi isn't NFL player and craven LeBlanc is also get players. I don't recognize the other guy's name. What was the other guy's name Shandon soul? They're all NFL players. The point is down for their top fund. Okay. You know what? It was a miss. Okay. This game. This game didn't work. I don't know. Why have heard of those guys, but I have the Craig's knife going gonna cut this just to spite. Memphis, sound really dumb. All right. Let's move on before we move on. Let's take a quick break to talk about the sports app. Have you gotten the sports mobile app yet? Are you ready for live football on your phone with the sports mobile app? You get live local and primetime games all season long. Tune into your favorite teams and the biggest inflammation ups wherever and whenever you want all NFL season. So download the sports mobile app and watch NFL football at the tap of seriously, go get the app, it's your ticket to watching liven games. Wherever you want is all football and of all yours. Watch live in AFL games on the Iago sports mobile. All right UK. We wanted to run through for this. Last segment. We wanted to run through there were so many quarterback situations again. So murky this week. So Blake Bortles bottles got pen for Cody Kessler, four years after it was supposed to happen. Find God shot to Roger Sherman for calling. Blake Bortles the Bengals will any Dalton out for the season with a thought and genitals risk will replace them Colt. Mccoy's in for Alex Smith, and we have the Niners, maybe dick bone CJ Beathard stuff. So we wanted to run through those and just look at. Does that if obviously none of this is great for anyone who's like no on the season, or at least it's not a parent yet. But we wanted to look at who's about the same in who is really a downgrade. So shall we? Yeah. My thinking essentially is what does what are these quarterback changes, you know, or just a quarterback situations in general, how does it make you feel about these players like going into last couple of weeks of the two regular? I think this is half the battle right now. Because again, we talked about this with the bucks, but I can't hammered enough. Sometimes quarterbacks yourself chemistry with different dudes Jameson chemistry Cameron break. Yeah. I've known you trust. But then trust Patrick comes in clearly has chemistry with Chris Godwin right off the bat and Sean Jackson for whatever reason. Apparently that was because he threw a different kind of deep ball. Which was an interesting thing you love it into their Nick foles different people. The wentz. There's weird little quirks. And like I don't want to pretend to be able to predict it as much as it's worth looking at those things to the next week or two for the fantasy playoffs. But right now, there are things that people can downgrade. Yes. So first let's start off that Cody Kessler because in this situation. I almost it's like you almost feel a little more confident in the receivers with Kessler in there their sound much. I just I just didn't like I did not trust Bortles. And obviously he's he's put up fantasy numbers in the past. And so it's part, partly you know, the document of you know, quarterback is bad versus a fantasy quarterback. You know, like sometimes you just have to play guys that you think are bad just because there's going to be so much volume in whatever offense. But like they've made Bortles they've they've taken Bortles out of the game plan essentially in the last couple of weeks. I don't know how that's going to change with Kessler in there. Maybe they'll let him pass more. I think I wanna say Bortles has had like. I don't know a twelve or thirteen past like completions a game over less couple of games or something like that. So I think maybe with Kessler. There's actually a chance they could throw it more. Because I think he's actually a better quarterback potentially. I agree. I I mean, maybe we just know we we're not crazy. No, he's better than Blake Bortles Ordos has been profoundly bad and getting worse this season. I mean, it's just it's I'm glad the experimental is over I think we should on him enough but fairly Blake. Maybe he comes back in this isn't a permanent, benching I think it has to be permanent, benching, and I actually would be really interested to see which receiver thrives of Kessler. And I'm curious if they could stick the other factor. That's really interesting with the Jaguars is often the Cordier coordinator and Nathaniel Hackett. I think we both liked him jolly seatac it. How can get forty five points out of the Jags in the in the divisional against the Steelers, by the way, the the fact that he came out in the media and was like, yeah. I thought he got called into whoever wrote. Office. I thought I was gonna bench Blake fired. That is such a I don't even know what that is. But this is so hilarious to me that shot. The Lombardi is some real good fellow stuff. Now this offense coordinator is someone called Scott Milosevic who I don't know about don't know what the hell their offense going to look like it's basically just there on life support for their last five weeks. They're out of the playoff picture, basically. I don't know. It's one of those things are we don't know what the hell is happening with this team. And that makes me worried about starting any of their players potentially other than four net, you know, swimming. You know, I wouldn't I I would monitor keeling coal and Westbrook and Moncrieff I'm sticking I'm staying away. Generally. I think I'm staying away from these guys think fair the interesting one the Bengals I think are actually more interesting. So Jeff Jurisco stepped in for Dolton. Who is? Yeah. I mean if there was war for football. I feel like Dalton's the definition of like a replaceable player or maybe I guess, maybe it's like Brock Osweiler something. But Driscoll looked like shocking. The competent seventy of twenty nine four hundred fifty five yards. He didn't throw a bunch of stuff deep. But he kind of kept the bagels offense humming, and it's hard because without edgy green. It has it looked the same anyway. So it's already kind of like lower bar, but I actually am not like. It's not good for Tyler Boyd. I'm not destitute. But. It's tough because it already was a huge ask of everything going on without Asia green. So if you have any degree in Yuba waiting to return, this is really tough. He might not even return now this fine. Rightly I was just like get get his foot healthy and like move onto next year. Exact him coming back. Oh, geez. Well, what's the point of doing anything? True. Yeah. I as a Tyler Boyd fantasy manager whatever I've got him on a few different teams. I think I'm going to still go ahead and be pretty confident playing him. I mean when Driscoll came in he looked to Boyd pretty often he had he finished his he finished the game with seven catches eighty five yards and a touchdown believe. Yeah. His touchdown came with Driscoll in right? I believe it did. And so I think that Boyd's upside is still there. I think he's still kinda with green out. He's still the go-to guy in that offense. You can maybe bumped John Rawson there as a guy who could potentially see some volume in actually Auden Tate is another interesting one that his his playing time went up in this game. I saw on Twitter he had six targets from just go. So that might be something to watch it again as chemistry thing, I'm guessing those guys have been playing together like on scouting teams and things like that. Like, they just have that familiarity with each other. So that that's something to keep in mind. But for me like boy, it is the main one, and I'm gonna be continuing star going forward even with just at quarterback. I just think that there's enough volume at that at this point to to make that worth play boys earned it. He's been really great. The next one. I'm still intrigued by this Colt McCoy was real up and down and thanksgiving was twenty four thirty eight for two sixty eight yards two touchdowns and three picks. I don't plan Colt McCoy like unless you in like a deep to quarterback league. Right. So the three picks matter, but like daily day like Alex Smith had just like checked it down through bounds. Like ended the drive in punted. Like that doesn't really isn't really that different for your fantasy perspective. I like that. He's like slinging it. And so I'm actually we talked about Dotson. I'm kind of like intrigued by dachshund. And then also Jordan Davis read, look great. And I'm really curious with McCoy's actually going to be able to like get the best out of them. And I mean all destitute fantasy. Maybe they could even get something out of both tight ends. I mean, obviously, the rescuers are. Banged up because Paul Richardson's. Don. Jamison Crowder has been hurt for seems like forever. And I I actually don't think despite how he kind of looked I don't think Colt McCoy's bringing significantly less than out. Smith was very good. But in terms of fantasy opportunity I don't think McCoy's as big of a downgrade as it seems I think with him Koi in there and just maybe going off at the fact that he threw three picks, but with McCoy in there, it's harder for the Redskins to kind of do their games group thing where they want to run the ball a ton control the clock. You know, get a lead and then hold onto it. It's more. Like, I think it's it portends sort of like a pass heavier approach going forward. It also doesn't help that they have like no no healthy offensive lineman to help block in there in the run game. So yeah, it's interesting. What they've got the eagles. Jags giants titans in eagles to finish out the season two games against the eagles. Again. Like we said defensive backs on that team are. Not good in their giving up. A lot of points Jaguars right now. Are a mess defensively. Like, even the bills and Josh Allen scored points on them. So that I don't know. There's just some opportunity there going forward. You know, again like you said with Chris Thompson. He's another interesting guy. Just think he had these Redskins skill position players just seem to be trending up at the right time for fantasy playoffs or whatever. So that's an interesting one to watch. None of the guys are essentially ima start players, clearly, but it doesn't help me less. It doesn't make me less confident in the Redskins have Cole McCoy in there. I'll say that. Yeah. No. I think that's such a really good way of saying. And then the last one with this weird situation. I mean, so Nick Mullins and CJ Beathard not one hundred percent sure who will be the star for the next few weeks. But I mean, I tell me I think that there's like three fantasy truly fantasy relevant guys on this team. So as George Cato, obviously. Yeah. Matt Braida who's become really good. And if you want to mess around with Dante Pettis, right, and yeah, I think Vint. Fantastic. I think braid is great. I don't think there's totally affects them. Any Brady's worth play in the fifty. Plus, he's been really good. Yeah. Kittle? I mean, it doesn't really matter. If you've kill your play playing. I can't really imagine a world we know playing kiddle. So it doesn't really matter. Now, I twelve targets last week six you're not going to mention right. So I mean, the questions have going to take a flyer in Kendrick born or Dante Pettis we liked Pettus or the year before Garoppolo got hurt. I would love for Pettus to like, you know, make a splash. I don't think you can depend on it. But I don't think I think Niners are equally as irrelevant as they were. Yeah. I think that's what we ended up looking at it hurt. Yeah. Whether it's whether it's Beth heard, I keep wanting to say CJ Beathard whether it's Beth or Mullins, and obviously man Mullins really kinda failed with his head a really good chance to go against a terrible news defense and just did not play. Well, eighteen thirty two with a touchdown into picks. I know no one cares about personal finish leagues. But I have to show this one my brother. Other in our fantasy football league from home. My brother saw that the seat that Nick Mones was playing on the Thursday night game and was so excited that he could play against the third string quarterback. He dropped his defensive picked up the raiders defense in in our league the raiders defense got negative two points. And my brother lost by one point. I think that's the most. And he's going to miss the playoffs down by one point by one game. So there you go. Forever. Remember, Nick, Mullins us, keeping my brother the plow since eighteen that's great. I could hear Jim just Rimma sing because I told that story. All right. Oh, really isn't a good mood. Oh my God. Wow. Screaming? Well, we're not cutting it though. Let me finish to finish my forty Niners though. It's I think you're right. Like, the the simple way of saying it is if you're relying on any of the forty Niners skill position players other than Brita or Kittle godspeed. Good. Good luck to you. Because it doesn't make a difference. Really? I think if if Beth comes back, you know, that could potentially be good for kettle. You know? So, you know, it just doesn't really matter at this point whether it's mall in third. I think you're you're still probably gonna play both of those guys regardless. So yeah, that's an interesting one. But but really probably doesn't have any effect on your fantasy team going forward. Hopefully, not. And if it does. All right. Thank you decay. Best of luck to everyone may the playoff fortunes full forever in your favor. I can hear Jim grimacing again. Yeah. Well, we thirteen by look number. So if you take my advice, you'll get lucky, but maybe not so much. All right. That's all the time. We have today. Thank you de que. We will be back in Friday. Thank you. For listening to the Dennis football podcast on the ringer podcast network. Thanks again to hotel tonight by showing you top rated tells with unsold rooms hotel tonight makes it easy to book your stay at an amazing rate and even their name is hotel tonight. You can book in advance. It's perfect for spontaneous weekend. Getaways three day. Weekends stations road trips business trips looking at the pool and more. So to start scoring amazing deals at incredible hotels. Go to hotel tonight dot com or download the app now.

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Niner Nate-tion: What should 49ers fans root for the rest of the year?

Niners Nation

46:52 min | 5 months ago

Niner Nate-tion: What should 49ers fans root for the rest of the year?

"Welcome to the niners nation. Podcast with yet again and the by wigs over. We have football up until the end of the year. Now with me. This week is leah luna of sports illustrated. How you doing man. I'm doing great. It was a bi week as you say. Four is the end of every episode. No injuries it did not happen this week. Nobody went into politics but a lot of players on the covert list. That's the downfall correct. That is the downfall but i think the public precaution with the bye. Week i'm hoping that's what it was but it doesn't it doesn't really matter we're back we're back again this forty niner football on this sunday and we have a lot to talk about a lot to to really break down here because it's looking like there's two different paths that the forty niners are coming to and i think tonight we're gonna talk about both paths and why we think each one is good or bad but real quick let's get into a two thousand twenty one. Nfl draft order check in. We got the jets. Still the number one pick. Oh and ten. They're taking a quarterback the jacksonville jaguars one and nine. They're taking a quarterback cincinnati. Bengals are third and they don't have joe burrow for the rest of the season so they'll probably stay there that's a trade partner for the forty niners the dallas cowboys one. But they're still fully three and seven. That's a trade part for the forty niners assuming that they signed dak prescott to a long term contract washington at five three and seven. They're taking a quarterback. The chargers are three and seven even with herber. And they don't need that's trade partner for the forty niners the new york giants or a wild card but i doubt they're going to give up on their boy. Miami's at eight now. I think that could be a potential trade partner atlanta nine. They are so bad. I don't think they're going to win another game this year but they could be a potential team that needs a quarterback. Carolina did win so they moved to foreign seven detroit. Loss there at eleven. I don't know if they would take a quarterback new england and minnesota are also now in front of the forty niners at twelve and thirteen. So san francisco's currently at fourteen at four and six and they need some teams to win and they need to lose if they want to get to that spot where they're not going to have to trade an arm and a leg for that quarterback of the future. What do you think leo on this. I mean it's looking a little. I mean we still have six weeks left. But they're picking fourteenth right now four and six and there's some wins they could potentially have we rack that we talked about last week. Is this a bad situation. Can some of these teams get some wins in. Maybe move down a little bit. Some of these teams can definitely move down I mean like houston. They're sitting at a only one game in front of the forty niners and their strength of schedule is actually harder than the forty or so if they just pick up one wayne in the forty niners their next game than houston all automatically slides down behind the forty niners in the draft as well as just looking here the chargers they have they have herber so they get their one win ahead of the forty niners as well arts. Use me behind the forty niners so they could slide down behind them falcons. I know you said they may not win another game but they may not win. I never mind. Never mind them. But carolina panthers they look somewhat decent on their offense could put up some new a new new things. If they get mccaffrey back into the mix as well even though even though they're davis doesn't look like such bad former forty nine right now There's just things to happen. If the forty niners some way drop a game to the dallas or washington. That also helps for me. It's regardless of what happens between the rams and the buccaneers games forty niners twenty twenty opponents are gonna finish this week below five hundred and that helps the forty niners because as it sits without the result of the rams games their opponents are five twenty two so they're over five hundred so to have their opponents this week. Finish below five hundred. That's going to help the forty niners to weekend there straight the schedule to potentially move ahead of those teams that have the same record as the forty niners Obviously having dallas win this week doesn't bat because that's one of the bright spots to weaken the forty niners strength of schedule and same thing with the redskins than winning. This week does not help that. But those are two teams. We don't expect to win much down the season so even though this one win hurts they should probably lose a hell of a lot more movie for exactly. That's the big thing that we're gonna. We're gonna talk a lot about the idea of tanking tonight. I really wanna talk about it. Because i think we just kind of brushed up on it and real quick. I want to say something about forty nine before we get into this. I'm not actively rooting for the forty niners to lose my biggest thing. Is there so injured and the quarterback is so bad that they're going to lose and when they lose. I'm not going to be mad. I think that's the difference between wanting your team to lose and knowing what you have putting out on the field every they're going to get they're gonna get skull crushed by the rams on sunday and i i there's no way they beat the rams with mcmullan's there's just no way but and the thing is is the losses aren't should not bother you going forward because it's for the greater good in the end and yes sure it'd be awesome. Make the playoffs. But we're going to talk more about is. Is it really worth it. Is it really worth it to make the playoffs. And so that's going to be the main topic tonight and so real quick. We're gonna take one side here we're going to take first of all the niner's winning and why you would want them to win and what you're going to get out of it that's gonna be the first side and then towards the end of the show. We're gonna talk about what happens if the niners lose out. Lose all six games where they could potentially be what happens to the twenty twenty one season. What happens to the draft. Picks all that stuff sirocco. Let's talk about the niner's winning so right now. They have six games laughter sitting at four and six. If the niners won the next six games they would have ten and six which would definitely be a wildcard. But the thing is an leo. This is sending to you is making the playoffs. When you're this injured and this poor at the quarterback position even worth it you would figure that they would probably say Win the next six light in at ten six on with only one team getting the by this year you would figure as things stand seattle. Maybe or maybe the rams or the the Actually probably the packers get the two seat. Could this team as they are physically built right now with the injuries. Can they beat the packers in lambo in january. Not confident that. I'm really not so. I will never root for this team to win. That's just not my makeup. That's not my mo. that's not something. I would do or excuse me absolutely absolutely. Excuse me lose. I will never root for this team to lose the reason why i got confused on. That is my next point here. Each loss is somewhat gonna feel like a win when you look at the draft order because if this team continues to win and they beat a team like the rams. They beat a team like the bills. I feel like doesn't feel like fool's gold come to the play offs because they're going to have to travel for every single game and no west coast team has traveled every single game and made it to the super bowl and won the super bowl The ultimate goal is to win the super bowl. And if you're not going to win it you gotta play the other type of game and it's to get a higher draft pick you ultimately have to keep winning mentality so you're gonna try your best and put your players in the best situation to win but with all the current injuries. That's simply not going to happen with this team and so understanding that mentality of the game each loss puts you one. Step closer to say a zach wilson instead of being a team having to give up three wants to move up for. Zack wilson. Maybe you only have to give up one one in three. That's better for the future of this franchise so it's not necessarily Tanking i would say it's basically a future. Investment during a unforeseen unpredicted kind of beer and other the other factor. A lot of people are saying well with the team makes a super bowl. They're not as bad as we think. And the my biggest thing is the team is not as bad as people. Think the fact that the quarterback position right now. Nick mullins is one one of if not the worst quarterback currently playing football and they're not getting blown out they didn't get up the saints. They were completely in that game and the saints are probably going to be the one seed in the nfc and that was when drew brees was healthy. That's the thing is the team is not bad. We're not talking about a team that is absolutely unwatchable trash. We're talking about a team. That's really really injured and has nobody at quarterback who can effectively play the position in order to win against patrick mahomes and the end goal. I think i said this on the first episode of the show. The end goal for the forty niners. Every single year is going to be to be patrick. Mahomes in the super bowl because he's going to be there every single year until miami gets to a figuring out or herbert gets a defense. It's going to be patrick mahomes and without a real quarterback you're not going to be able to win and people say oh garoppolos coming back it's coming back to you both coming back and yeah they may look better but winning does them nothing. It just doesn't do anything for the team except morale and i don't think team that was in the super bowl. Lascher needs to know there good. They know they're good. They know that they've suffered some of the worst injuries in nfl history and it comes down to this idea that people are like well. I'll never for the team to lose. We have this poll out on nine hundred and nine edition podcasts at podcast and this was the poll. We wanted to brace this episode around. The question was as we come out of the bi week. That was good for the forty niners playoff chances which was what would you rather see try and sneak in the playoffs or miss the playoffs entirely right now. We are at on monday night. One thousand sixty two votes at a fifty point three percent for miss the playoffs entirely and forty nine point seven percent. Some of these comments on your pretty interesting people saying autumn up linger at a u. Clinger what kind of dumb question is this. Of course you want them to make the playoffs. But that doesn't seem likely to happen. I think that's the right mentality to have. Of course. I want them to make the playoffs. Do i think they're going to win. No but it'd be cool to see him in the playoffs. Yeah sure but the problem is single in. The playoffs hurts them. Long-term absolutely it's Even if this team goes into down the stretch they're probably not making the playoffs at eight eight and then long term like you said it's either be competitive but end up on the short end of the stick. And you end up with zach wilson or beyond the short end of the stick in end up with potentially alaska or prospect at quarterback or end up with something else entirely and think getting someone not in the top three or four rankings of the quarterbacks list prospects isn't held his team long-term i don't i just don't see that long. We'll think about it so you go into dallas and you go to washington and you win both games right so you have two more wins on the season. You're you're going to. You're going to finish the season. Six and ten okay right. Dallas finishes the season at four and six at probably go with the five seat. Okay end up being the five in the draft the amount you're going to have to give up in order to go. Get zack wilson at five. If you're all the way back up at fourteen fifteen sixteen is going to cost you long-term where the team has a potential to lose pieces. That would make them better. This idea that the team is stacked is completely true. They are stacked but the idea that you have to give your future. A lot of this team is built on draft picks. A lot of this team is built on draft picks. They really haven't had great free agent. Acquisitions right he's never been good to the niners. They're built on graphics and having to give up more than just a first next year and a first this year. To get zach wilson. I just don't. I don't like it like i hope to god zach. Wilson's the guy and it's really seems like he's the guy from what the niners everyone is saying. They're sending adam peters to the games and out of peter's is the defacto gm. I said that with air quotes. Because that's the joke. But john lynch isn't actually the gm but it really sounds like zach wilson's guy and if they want them. They're going to train to get him. And so you know as a niner fan. They're going to train them. How do you feel about the idea of us. Winning these games and then having to trade back to get the quarterback of the future. Absolutely like i said you wanna keep a winning mentality so the forty niners do lose. You want it to be like maybe give up twenty points a game on defense. And that's that's fantastic. Because you don't have nick though so you don't have the four to twenty points. A game is fantastic and the offense is scoring seventeen games. We'll guess what that's probably because of the quarterback position not because of the other guys and for the the crowd that says guys. What are you talking about. The forty niners have jimmy g. Well when you have beat writers that have been with the team for over twenty years that are known to not say anything against the forty niners without rob Hitting their cellphone immediately. And they're saying jimmy g. is most likely gone and he's not a forty nine next year. Okay well we have to take that into reality. We have to accept that no matter how beautiful his chin line is. That's the reality of blew me like i. I love the idea of having a supermodel quarterback like that's grail. My daughter has his jersey. But is that the reality of this team not really because you see when kyle shanahan calls a different game for jamie. You see. Help us raid. How did kyle gets when jimmy doesn't executed on that constructive game and jimmy was never. Kyle's guy they kind of got forced to saying. Hey you're only charging us a second round pick all right we gotta jump on anyway. We we don't have a choice at this point but let's not forget. They didn't just take that they said. Okay what about tom brady. And then so it was never. They were completely sold on him. They didn't say okay. Let's do the deal right now. They asked for tom brady and then this offseason they said. Hey what about. Tom brady again. And so then now. It's you've already dipped your pain in different inca little bit to a certain point to where it's we have to understand. The quarterback position is what should be drafted in the first round. And that's where this team should be going so competitive games but on the short end of it fantastic to me. That is a short term loss but a long-term win and everybody will be happy one year or two years down the line. That forty niners lost that game and that's the thing is like everyone so mad up to go to some of these comments real quick you know. Og niner at sf underscore og lows. Play to win the game. You know like. I understand that mentality. I really do like or this guy. Sixteen niner at six underscore not niner get healthy. Make going run. Anything can happen or you know someone just posting. You play to win the game. The gift from the new york jets head coach like i understand. You wanna win. I get it. I wanna win. I'm the conductor of the forty niners twenty twenty hype train. It got derailed. They got more injuries than any team in history of this league. Their quarterback could not beat the worst. Nfl secondary in the history of this league. He threw eighty two yards against the seahawks team. That is going to allow more passing yards than the two thousand eleven green bay packers. I mean that's the thing and one thing about law seasons this idea of a loss season. Is you find out a lot about your football team. And i feel like this season. We found out a lot about the forty niners. They're really good on defense when robert sal. Elise it's going to suck. They've had bad games shirt but they're really good on defense. When brian will was his name. Brian how line corner jason garrett has it devante are going to be a star fred warner the best linebacker in the nfl. I is going to be a number one that we found out a lot. But we've also found out that jimmy garoppolo is not the long term option at this at quarterback this team whether they make the playoffs this season or not. So why not fix it and get that. Nice little cushion of not having to pay a quarterback where you can page. You can pay fred warner you can carry hide on a nice small little contract. You can go get tacked mckinley. When is growing as an awful thing is getting a young rookie allows them to do so much long term that yes losing socks socks. I want to win but winning long-term is more important because you know and maybe you're with me on this. Twenty nineteen was amazing right. But would you rather have one thousand nine hundred and then mediocrity eight nine and seven for the next seven years or go four and twelve season. Get your quarterback in the future and be right back in the super bowl next year absolutely Just whatever you can to to get that franchise guy looking at the bengals last season. Yeah i know he's hurt right now. Yes i understand that. It was the first overall pick. But do you think bengals fans would say. hey jack. We would rather go eight innate instead of getting joe burrow. No it's not gonna happen charter fans last year do charter fans would say hey. Yeah we would rather be a instead of getting just in herber. No they're not going to say that giants or excuse me jets fans now. Would you rather have them. Do you think they're going to say we are hoping for to win. Four this year or two and fourteen. Excuse me we just want two wins. Just give us to one. Actually give us one win. Let us be one in fifteen Or would they rather be sixteen in get trevor lawrence. I guarantee jets fans are saying they would rather be oh and sixteen and get trevor lawrence. Because when you have that franchise guy it just changes the architect of the of the future for a franchise. Look take patrick. Mahomes for instance. And you put alex smith there instead they could only win muster wet one playoff win in that span. Ten ten wins and only one playoff game. I'm pretty sure that season right. And so and he went to the playoffs like three straight years with the chiefs and they had one playoff win in three straight years. Now you give. Patrick mahomes three straight playoff games. He's already won one super bowl and and one afc championship. Who says that. He doesn't want another super bowl two to three years as a starter. So it just changes the landscape for franchise. And i think with this quarterback class. We're not just talking about any mickey mouse quarterback class. This quarterback class is fantastic. Do yourself a favor. If you're like refusing that the forty niners need a quarterback moving forward do yourself a favor. Watch these young quarterbacks these top by projected players so that would be trevor lawrence justin fields trae lance. Zack wilson ankle. Trask watched those five guys in. And then put on jimmy garoppolo game. You're gonna convince yourself. And that's the thing too. Is this movement on twitter that we need young quarterback a people. Well a lot of the time. Young quarterbacks aren't ready. i think that's the opposite. I think these kids are more ready coming on. 'cause they've ever been because offensive line play as at its worst. It's ever been and that's the thing this idea that scares me more than anything. Is the niners win for more games. And then they dropped an offensive. Lineman were stuck with jimmy garoppolo again next season when the offensive line classes. Bad tell you right now. Under fans the upcoming offensive line glass for the draft is not good. So wouldn't you rather have a guy who can run around and do some more stuff with his legs than have a guy who has to stand there like statue the thing about the thing. I really love about mac jones's his arm but he stands like a statue. I'd rather have zack. Wilson who runs around a lot you know he can do make plays with his legs and yes. Byu has not played anybody. But we've seen trevor lawrence in the college football championship. Seen justin fields last year in the playoffs almost knockoff alabama and trae lance. I haven't seen as much about him. I've watched some film. 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They got to the super bowl last year. But what did he do in that playoff stretch. And that's been a lot of the stigma on on rookies. Not getting to the super bowl or not. Winning the super bowl is them just crumbling in the playoffs. Kind of like lamar. Jackson has done in back to back years with the ravens. Well you look at that. as jimmy. Garoppolo played terrible against the minnesota vikings. I was bear in person. And he drew. Eric hendricks like if he was his own tight. End minnesota's linebacker that way. That isn't he actually threw an interception to kendricks in that game. And where it's they had to go to seven coleman to get one hundred yard game that am with great defense. Da matta that minnesota game while especially replacing keller weatherspoon inputting manual moseley which they should have done the first of the game and then next is that jimmy garoppolo only through eight passes in the nfc championship game. I was sitting there kind of like. You're telling me a rookie can't do that. Eighty or eight passes like this team in twenty twenty one should be just dominant when they get nikki. Bosa back in two thousand nineteen as long as resigned. Jason brett they re signed trent williams. They re up. Fred warner and even richard sherman if some wanna put him to safety. That's a debate right now. And how the forty niners are allowed to do. All that moves is freeing up twenty four million dollars from number ten and that's the thing is and let's let's get into this idea that the niners lose out okay so we have a couple of comments that people are saying you know. Hey maybe we shouldn't lose out tank season on twitter at random red box three see. We do not have a chance at health. The super bowl too many players this season and season ending injuries. And then we have another random guy. Eric at eric. Rogers she just as tank for trevor. Which i was that was boswell. Kosovo lawrence literally is going to be amazing things. This idea that the team loses right so now they lose out keep in mind. Yes you lost out. But you have raheem mostert. Who's now a top ten back. We talked about last week. George kittle the best tight end in the nfl brandon. I looks like the niners. Finally have a deep shot guy to a quarterback overthrows deep balls. Deebo samuel who's a gadget player can do everything. Hopefully you guy you can resign. Kyle juszczyk you re sign trent williams. You now have a anchor tackle. And you have a running quarterback. Your offense is electric with cal. Shannon neck mullins right. Now is the worst quarterback in the nfl but the forty niners are staying in games. Because you know why because kyle shanahan is damn good. They have a head coach. Who literally with the right players can take them the soup every single year and i. I don't think there's a question about that. I i absolutely agree. If you look at nick mones the stats. We all you look at the film. We see the games. Snake has not been good by any means but he is sixty seven point. Three completion percentage eight point one yards per attempt. An eight point nine or back reading which isn't a too too awful. But i'm saying it's not too awful but with that's possible because college you have any other person calling plays they're Qb quarterback rating probably draws from eighty nine point one to a sixty eight point seven. I mean that's the thing is this is a top sixteen offense with the second worst quarterback in the nfl. Sixteen i understand yes. There's still thirty two teams still top half the nfl and they still have one of the best. Defenses in the nfl. Despite the fact. I can't score. It's wild how good this team is. And if you lose out and zach. Wilson is the guy or trey lands there. And he's the guy and you guys are all mad at me and layovers leo. Sorry my bad leo zang. We should lose out on this run. Were they have maybe not mahomes but they have a guy who literally can do everything shanahan system and i you could scoring touchdowns like decay metcalf. Then you're pretty happy right. And that's the thing. This idea of losing now sucks. It's like ripping off a band aid. You have to rip it off now and get losses over because then you're gonna feel fine once. The band is gone right. If you leave it on a couple more days released on too long you leave. Jimmy garoppolo out there too long when you ripped off. It's going to hurt worse. Rip it off. Now get the losses out of the way because next year. When you have a real quarterback you're going to prosper. And i've said it a million times on this show. The forty niners are one hundred percent a quarterback away. So let me ask you a question real quick. Maybe this will relate to people. So if i pay you forty thousand a year and then next year i'm gonna pay you seventy and then the year after i'm gonna pay one hundred thousand dollars a year so in three years i'm going to pay you one hundred thousand dollars a year or i'll give you sixty this year sixty next year and sixty in two years. What would you want the first one. That's what we're talking about here with. Getting a zach wilson or or trey lance in two years you. He's that good of a quarterback to her payoff. I i say seventy thousand to you in in next year because he's a rookie so it's probably marketed. Like this big splash but in two years from now kinda like what. Patrick mahomes did kinda like what. Lamar jackson dead. Mvp type stuff. That's what these guys can. Even russell wilson was really good at his first using roman and he's gotten better over the years the thing is the forty niners right now are paying a guy what twenty four million dollars twenty illegally twenty six point nine next season twenty nine point nine million dollars to do a garoppolo does every season and keep in mind if we really want to go through all the games. Garoppolos missed over his three years at the forty niners. I'm pretty sure he's missed two thirds of the games maybe more we're not even the whole with the whole third season. It might be that. He's missed almost two seasons worth of football since signing with the forty niners. He's being paid. Twenty six point four million. I like the guy. He's very handsome but he does not do anything that alex smith could not do right now for the forty niners. I'm sorry i know. We let out smith gopher cabinet because he was special fund and he could run the ball and stuff but alex smith could do a jimmy garoppolo. Doing right now. I'm pretty sure he makes pennies. He makes nothing. Compared to a lot of these quarterbacks cam newton could do what the forty niners are doing what jimmy garoppolo right now and he makes like a million dollars. And that's like the thing is what jimmy garoppolo is. Doing is not worth the money. We're paying and enlists. The guy says you know what i understand. It was bad season. I was injured. I'll take a pay cut. And so i can start in. Front of zack wilson. Okay sure who the hell's gonna take a pay cut when you can make easy money and also why would jimmy take a pay cut. When shanahan he was never shanahan's guy in they entertained. Tom brady last season. So it's like. They didn't really have the loyalty to him. Outside of the big contract is they entertain. Tom brady and they told him. Hey we're entertaining. Tom brady so why would he take a pay cut. And i'll say this who's calling the place on offense cal fan so you would figure i just read what he's doing for nick mullins to Statistically it's not that bad statistically considering what we're seeing on the field so say jimmy. Does that the next two years. Because he has two years left on his contract say he plays well kinda like what he did in two thousand nineteen. You think jimmy. Garoppolo is gonna do like what tom brady did with the patriots and say pay me way below market value or is it going to be like hey will. Kyle's always had one foot in one foot out with me. So look what i did the past two years. Now you guys gotta pay me. Forty million dollars based on what. The inflation rate would be at for quarterbacks at that time in two years from now. So you take a rookie. Now you'll have a rookie quarterback contract for the next four years rather than being forced to pay jimmy anywhere from thirty five. Even thirty forty million dollars in two years gonna pay. Zack wilson if you draft him. But you're not gonna pay him for like four years and it's going to be a lot. Yeah but zac. Wilson is performing like the scouts and everyone is thinking should perform and he can pull. I mean he's pulling russell wilson's stuff in college. What he does is miraculous and yes. He's playing north. Alabama explained boise state. It's going to be worth paying that guy. Great it's not worth paying jimmy garoppolo right now. It's a waste of money. It's money they could spend on. Signing fred warner to a long term contract re-signing kerry hyder re signing kyle juszczyk getting trent williams on a long term deal. That's money they could be saving. And just you guys know this offseason. There's going to be a lot of people getting cut from this team. There's going to be a lot of changes on this team. But the core is there. And the core is fred warner nick. Bosa eric armstead john kinlaw on defense. Having those guys that's important. I don't think. Richard sherman is gonna be back. But i love that. Jason repack and i'd love to have a manual moseley back and i think i think they have a core to various more what we talked about last week on offense you have clocked up. You have deibel locked up kittles now locked up you have another year the pieces that make football team great are there. You're gonna have to fill in some spots but everyone has to fill spots. The steelers have some spots where they feel and they have the best defense in the league there ten. No that's the thing. A quarterback is not something you just fill in as we've seen this season. You cannot lose a quarterback and just be like okay roman. We've seen it. Nick wounds can't do it. So if your pride is going to be hurt because the niners win a couple of games. I'm sorry i'm not gonna feel bad for you. Losing is what they should do right now. And i'm not gonna roof him to lose but when they lose you can't be like oh they got that of a game blah blah blah's like now. This is good. This is a good thing to lose. It's a good thing to lose right now. Making the playoffs of being hurt while you're going through sixteen car crashes in a season and going through an additional car crash. You're just gonna lose when you're having the most injured season history and coming back next year after going through seventeen car crashes when you're already injured and then finally having a quarterback and having to do with more car crashes. It just doesn't make sense to make the playoffs having another game and not allowing guys these guys get healthy is a travesty. I say they get to the playoffs. Say somehow some way they get to the super bowl. Are they. Being patrick mahomes without nick bosa or even ford even even though the or wasn't a big impact in that last super bowl are they beating the chiefs and patrick mahomes. No not really Homes have all the time in the world no matter how stuck on glue jason bright to any receiver on that team eventually after ten seconds tari kills in a ghetto been drives kelce season to get open So they just don't have the pass rush to do it this year and and the fact that this team is playing so well defensively considering. Who's missing out there. It's lights out football in. And that's why i say they're the window is absolutely open after this season. They're just a quarterback away from potentially winning super bowl next year or the year after that. And i feel like this is this. I understand their skins left. And i feel like this is going to be the mentality season every time. They lose. remember their quarterback away. they get the quarterback. Things are going. Your these guys do not come out of college much anymore where they are not like if you're drafted in the top and a first round you know yeah to. I had a bad game this week. Sure but look justin. Herbert and look. What joe burrow was doing before that injury these guys come out and their nfl ready because they're already dealing with bad offensive lines right. And that's the one thing that actually does scare me about zack. Wilson which we will get into in the off season. He really hasn't faced many good pass rushes. I'll say this is if you wanna feel victory as a forty niners fan because like we've touched on are plenty of their her. You wanna feel a victory share for the vikings to win cheer for the patriots to win. Cheer for the panthers to win. Cheer for the falcons to win. Those teams win forty niners win and cheer for the forty niners twenty twenty opponents to lose so that the forty niners strength of schedule can decrease and that will improve their probabilities of having a higher draft. Pick if they have tied record with another team so you want cowboys to lose as much as possible the redskins to lose as much as possible. Which seem pretty likely at this point. You want the giants to lose as well great thing. They had the nfc east this year. Because that'll help the strength of schedule to decrease cheer for that all the afc teams to lose. And and there you go. That's that's the formula of how to cheer in twenty twenty as a forty niner fan. And that's the thing is you're gonna have a fourth-place schedule and you're still really good next news. And if you have a quarterback you're gonna win a lot of football games. You're gonna win a lot and especially shanahan this guy and he's able to do what he wants like. There's so many things shan just isn't able to do it jimmy garoppolo and it's been completely obvious this season. How many things he wants to do. I as we've said on this show for four weeks now is a stud. He is a wide receiver one and if they can get him as much as they've been doing with a real quarterback they're going to kill people. I'm gonna leave you guys at this stat real quick one final stat before we end the show. The forty niners have had a quarterback start fifteen plus games in a season just five times in the last eighteen years. Alex smith two thousand six and two thousand eleven colin kaepernick chosen thirteen and two thousand fourteen and jimmy garoppolo and twenty nineteen. By comparison nineteen different. Quarterbacks had fifteen or more starts in twenty one thousand nine hundred alone why not go get a guy in the draft who can be your long term option where you don't have to do this again and are also say this in the regular season jimmy garoppolo's all record fantastic but to narrow down the last fourteen games. Jimmy garoppolo eight. Six was the trend will. Qb wins on a stat. I've never felt that way like everyone is always like. Oh but garoppolo doesn't lose and it's like yeah he's got kyle shanahan. That's exactly why. I brought up the last fourteen regular season games. Because that's the one thing he has going for him is he is a quote unquote winner. He just wins with cal shannon while then why is eight and six over the last fourteen regular season games so if his number one stat is only two games over five hundred. Then why why. Why are you not looking at zack. Wilson or a tray lance and they real quick vince. Anyone thinks they're not looking at a quarterback is just kidding themselves. The steam quarterback this is the number one draft thing they they're looking at. They are not going to take line unless they win. And i don't think they take a line in this draft even if they do win they probably don't take a line even if they do win even if they do somehow end up eighty eight. I think kyle. Shanahan has not been able to look at the quarterbacks yet because he is in season mode but once he does look at these top five guys season. Say okay. I need me one of those exactly and that's the thing. Why would you risk winning. And having to pay back prescott forty million dollars or to trade another team for somebody. Why not just use that first round. Pick get your guy and go win a super bowl. I completely agree completely agree because we about creating more resources to sign more players. While if you're getting rid of jimmy to those resources than you're not taking a matthew stafford and matt ryan completely awful yesterday as well so you're probably not taking him Sawyer in order to create those resources. You're taking a rookie no matter if you win the super bowl as a rookie. Or if he wins the super bowl year two. That's more times than jimmy. Garoppolo at one super bowls a forty niner in my opinion and one final thought. You know you're against rooting against team to lose. You don't have to refer the team to lose. Look at what's going good for the team. I- euch there's so many things we've talked about the i you can laws getting better every week. The defense is still playing. Really well team is good. Like there's things to be excited about us in anders things to look at the team and be like. Hey this is really good. This is great. Look for things that are good. It's a it's called the elegant tank podcast before stay at all time the elegant tank. You're not actively tanking you're just injured and don't have enough talented quarterback to actually win but look around look at the players watch. Individual guys watched some of the stuff. That's going on with this team. They have talent. it's there it's all there for the forty niners. You just have to have a quarterback you it's just like real quick the nfl. You have to have a quarterback hockey you have to have a goalie. Mlb you have to have pitchers nba shooters. That's how important quarterback is a quarterback. You're not gonna win the super bowl unless you have an insane defense and the defense is good. It's not insane. And i don't think they should have insane. Even we should have good quarterback play. I'm tired of it and for an example. It's on sunday night. patrick. Say patrick mahomes is not playing. That game is a backup quarterback going down there and putting together a game. Winning drive and winning that game for the chiefs probably not. Well what situation are the forty niners in right now. They're in a situation to where the backup quarterback is playing so that's something we also have to understand. May not look at the team win. Look at individual. Look at brandon. I look at deebo samuel. Once he's back remote or once he's back look at the future right guard of this team if decided play skill mccain. They're look at trent williams. How he's playing Look at javon kinlaw. Look at red warner at jason bright. Look for those individual wins because this team will be in the playoffs in twenty twenty one. And i'm going to say that now and that's the thing is you don't have to root for the team to lose. But if they lose it's going to be a whole hell of a lot more fun next season van fans. It's going to be a whole lot more fun. And there's the it's all there in front of them. They just need a quarterback and you can tell me all day. How jimmy's injured or make excuses for jimmy garoppolo or say what the rookie guy isn't it. What if he is what if he is. That's the thing if he is the sky's the limit so think it not as the team losing every week but them winning going forward you know roofer players the team's gonna lose. It's going to happen but don't get mad when they lose. Think about how good they can be next season. Think about the fact that we could have twenty nineteen seasons for the next five years if they nail the quarterback pick. Because that's all they need is a quarterback shannon is lynch proven. They know how to reload a roster. They took one of the worst teams in the nfl to the super three years with a quarterback whose ceiling is above average. Think about it. They have a quarterback who ceiling as elite to simple as that. If they want to check out your stuff. Leo how can they get up. They can find me on twitter at at lille luna ninety three as well as sl sports illustrated all forty niners. Or you could. If you're searching you to do you just find me on tap sports when you can find me at nine or eight forty nine. You can hear all my hot takes on. Why the forty niners shouldn't win anymore. And you can yell at me on twitter if you because a lot of been doing that but that's fine with me. I'm having a good time. Go niners not in the way. I'm thinking and and we'll see next week after the rams well they're gonna kill me sorry.

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Niner Nate-tion:  2020 Recap + Why Justin Fields could be Shanahan's QB

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Niner Nate-tion: 2020 Recap + Why Justin Fields could be Shanahan's QB

"Hello and welcome to the niners nation. Podcast and it's the off. Season serve means a lot of film watching and a lot of cobra kai on tv. Because there's no football for the rest of the year at least until we get back in august nine hundred eight here with you and with them he always as lille luna of forty nine g m how you do man. I'm doing well. I'm excited to get this forty nine gold mine. Forty niners coal mine site up and launched So transitioning over from sl. And i'm glad you brought up cobra kai i've been so stuck on that show and i just i can't get enough of it. I wish there was already season. Four or five six. That i can binge-watch already but i'll settle for these three after the niners lost last night. That's all i did. All night was Watch the third season of cobra kai to the point where i stayed up super late just to make sure i finished it and it's well worth ever watched cobra. Kai you need to do that. Because it'll make you feel better about what we just watched from. Forty niners this year and it was a rough one sunday turned out to be an okay day though for the forty niners basically. They had a lot that needed to happen and a lot actually did happen. They lost the seahawks which they almost look like. They almost look for a while. Like they weren't gonna lose the seahawks Because for some reason seattle's offense is just the worst offense in the league. I've ever seen i get what was going on. Finally they will go up when cj beathard decided. I don't know how to play football anymore. And they won that game. Bunch of other stuff dropped The way the forty niners and then of course. The denver broncos had screwed all up and keep the forty from the eleven pick so the forty niners ended up with the twelfth. Pick in two thousand and twenty one. Nfl draft. And i think we can work with this. I think we can totally work with this. I think that there is totally a quarterback situation. They can make work. There's to trade down there I think there's a couple of teams. I think we've pretty much you know it's funny. It was december. We already knew. Exactly what the number one pick is. And i don't think that's going to change between now and april but jacksonville number pick. They will take trevor lawrence and then number two is going to be the new york jets. And i don't know if this is a crazy thing to say. But i think that whoever they hires the head coach has a very big decision to make. I think to believe they have a clean house there so they gotta figure some things out. You're thinking if they rebuild they might want to move on from darnold and get someone under yuki contract for four years get some more draft capital by trading darnold would figure he could get back. A couple seconds is because he's young. I'm not sure about a i because of what the jets have done to his career. But i could see a quarterback there or i could see a tray down just depends on what the new regime is going to want. Exactly the biggest thing with the jets. Is you know seeing. They hire head coach in what he wants to do But i feel the best option for the jets because that roster is absolutely terrible Is to trae down with you know a team that needs a quarterback potentially the san francisco forty niners and then we have miami is gonna be picking third because of houston and We had sean last week. And we discussed a quarterback. I still just can't get behind that idea that they're gonna take a quarterback that high after just taking one the fault the year before that. What do you think. I think would be smart to get a left tackle right there and with tonight's well he should be on the board at three. That's where i see miami going for now. I know there was that talk about potentially drafting a young guy After two a to let them competed out. And hey you have. Two options for franchise quarterback. I don't like that very well. Because i think to. It does have a lot of upside. And if you could get putin is who will there at three. I think they're ecstatic. Yeah i think that. I think protecting to is going to be really important And i think that you're going to have to take him at three. Because cincinnati will take them at five but at four is atlanta and. I think we discussed this a little bit before the show. But i think atlanta goes quarterback but. I don't think they go quarterback this high i. Yeah i can agree with that. It's they have a lot of holes fill their in atlanta. Matt ryan is older so they can certainly have a quarterback there that can sit a year or two years. I think trae lance would probably be the best fit their because he's the guy who cancer a year two years compared to fields. Or zack wilson. Those guys could start year one so i could see them. Trading back get a couple of draft picks and taking trae lance maybe not at that fourth overall and they're gonna feel like they want the draft and be pretty excited about it. I think they could take matt jones as well. I think max jones kind of that that offense that they run with julio and calvin ridley. But i think it's going to be. That's another team where it's going to completely come down to. Who takes that coaching job. And i think that's the the big thing that we're gonna talk about lot. This offseason is while the draft is a complete crap. Shoot these teams. That are picking in front of the forty niners. There's so much change happening within their front offices. Their head coaches gm jobs. We don't really know what they're gonna do. We just kinda hope. That san francisco finds the ability. They have a lot of picks and they use those picks to go. Get you know justin fields. Zack wilson i think. Zack wilson is a little more attainable. Because i think justin fields is gonna ball out again here in this national championship. Game coming up here in a week. And i think that that will take him out of their range unless they really want to trade to to which is very Very much a possibility They will they'll go get guy alabama. They struggled quite a bit in the past against quarterbacks at have running ability you see what shawn watson has done to them in the past. So i could see just field having a very impressive game and considering the game he just had against clemson and then be at least competitive against alabama even if he comes up short. That's an came in as the number two quarterback off the board in this draft because as evaluators go they just love seeing players on a big time stage because the nfl is a big time stage every single week. So if you already saw that from justin fields compared to as act wilson not playing in any high level stakes game to the point that fields has especially feels his size. Sizes body can take impact hits a lot more than wilson. He doesn't have that shoulder surgery. Like wilson although i do believe wilson is fully recovered from that because i seen him lower his shoulder a couple times. This season fields would be the locking shoo-in second quarterback off work. Yeah and i think if san francisco can get you can find a way to either of those quarterbacks. They are going to destroy the league for years to come. I think you get kyle. One of those guys and i think that there is a connection with Fields kyle shanahan that. A lot of people aren't really talking about with this quarterback collective that him and sean mcvay used to run. And there is a potential chance that you know that's shannon's guy and he goes and gets them. And i think we just have to kind of sit and wait and we'll talk a lot about it in the off season but i think right now the currently the foreigners are picking twelve I hope they down. I think that's the best bet for the forty niners to be competitive next year and be able to make another run potentially to the super bowl or just in the playoffs. In general they need to get one of these top quarterbacks. Yeah they definitely do. Need one of these top young guys because one you have him on a rookie contract to john lynch said today that they're looking to maneuver the cap like if it's going to be one seventy five next season so that means if jimmy garoppolo on the roster they're only looking at about twenty four million that they can use and you would figure twenty of. That's go to trent williams. So if you could have a quarterback on a rookie contract for the next four years because you figure they're gonna pay him before that fifth year option. Seems like nobody know quarterbacks. Don't get re up before that fifth year. Option unless you're dak prescott who didn't have a fifth year option and got tagged onto times instead. But i think it will be very important for the forty niners team to have a cheap contract at the quarterback position. Because you do have fred warner you do have true williams. You do. have george kittle. you do. Have eric armstead who contracts going to inflate. You do have drake rain law. Who they're probably going to have to extend next season boatswain had to get paid pretty soon. So i think you'd be smart to take a quarterback while you're sitting there because if jimmy garoppolo healthy next season bozos able to play seventy five percent of the season Just in case if he's not there week one well. You're probably going to the playoffs once again. Meaning you're not going to be picked twelve. This is their one chance to land a solid quarterback this early in the draft without having to give up a crazy amount of assets exactly and not to mention the the cap savings if they cut before june. First for jimmy garoppolo twenty four point one million the ones the one for four to six point forty three million and one for rich burgers. Four point nine million so all that money they would save would put them at over six hundred million in cap space which would be huge sixty million. I'm sorry i said six hundred nine sixty which be huge for signing these guys and getting a team that can go back to the super bowl and hopefully the rookie quarterback they get chan gets them and does his thing which i think he will. We think shanahan has never really gotten his guy before and this time he finally gets his guy. I think that really going to see a really successful football team. Do that has the ability to throw the ball. Downfield which to foreigners haven't had in the jimmy garoppolo for yards area. And and i feel like at the state is every time i am not a jimmy garoppolo hater. I loved the idea of jimmy. Garoppolo pena franchise but we're four years in. It hasn't happened yet last season. I don't compare quarterback records to the quarterback essentially because we could all say matthew stafford is a whole lot better quarterback jimmy garoppolo yet. Matthew staffer tes percentages nowhere near jimmy garoppolo. I think shanahan is just a hell of a coach to where he had the run game. Working last season. Solid did a great job. Fred one or did a great job nick. Bosa did a great job with that defense last season so that allow to elevate the quarterback into the super bowl He didn't pass much against minnesota. He nearly through about three interceptions in that game and then he threw eight. Total passes against green bay. So that's where my thought process is. Were a young quarterback can maneuver this offense. Put up points in this offense because they have a hell of a head coach calling place and this roster is still built as stout as it will be in twenty twenty one as it was in two thousand nineteen. Let's talk about the twenty twenty season you know. We're gonna talk draft all season. We're and talk about the stuff this team's gonna do. Let's just kind of close out this twenty season I mean let's talk about like what was the stuff that really like gassed up this hype train you know during the season things that we really enjoyed during the season where you know that were fun kapit and then we'll talk a little bit about the stuff that wasn't so fun. I mean my first. Big gas up hype. Train moment is anything that brennan luke did like it was so cool because i love depot but deebo has been used a gadget player. Since he showed up. I wasn't really used like that. I felt like a real number one wide receiver. And i know like we have the conversation last week that you know depot probably a better player at this point in his career. But i was just so fun. It's so much fun watching him. And like i'm so excited that he's ours. And the next quarterback overtakes of this team is going to get to use him To an even better degree than than jimmy or nick or cj used them yeah I would also since you hyped up you quite a bit. I'll hype up deebo samuel. I think we just saw a little bit of him this season but that little bit show. This guy means a lot to the offense extension of the run game. If you leave him on jet sweep then your defense becomes a liability. He's receiver basically. He's a slant. God they call. Mike thomas that but able samuels god in this way. He'll box out. A quarterback lake a power forward in the nba. To where if a quarterback just hits people samuel in the numbers. I trust him to catch at ten out of ten because he is so physical at the point of tack to the football and he knows how to use his body in his leverage. So that's just something exciting to see the samuel he. He looked very motivated in his offseason workouts. This year he was working out. With trent williams actually and him speaking at his presser cal shanahan's speaking about depot samuels. Well the time that he missed on the field just ate him up. He was basically this copa season. They had nothing going on but football. And that's the one thing he can do was play football. So that's something someone. I'm excited to see him bounce back next season and he played very very well when he was in there this year. Absolutely what we saw from depot. I feel like we didn't get to see enough. He so good. And i wanted to see more. And that's the kind of sucks is that you know they use them as a gadget player to point hurt more so often. I feel like that's part of the problem once. They got a quarterback where they have to use them such so gadgetry in you know he can be a wide receiver. I think we're going to see his real potential. And i think he'll get injured a lot less as well My other hype is frigging fred warner. Like he's so good and he's so much better than any linebacker on this except maybe darris leonard. It's crazy the stuff he does and how good he's been that guy they're going to pay him this offseason hundred percent no doubt in my mind. They'll pay him. And that guy has. Some patrick willis navarro bowman type vibes going on with them and i think him in greenlaw greenlaw really showed out towards once they finally traded awake quantum alexander and i think him green are terrific linebacking core and i think whoever is the next offensive coordinator inheriting arguably the best defense to inherit as a coach. I think like this defense is so stacked was nick. Boesak right and i'm just piggyback off of your position group once again and i'm going to say drake greenlaw here. He's someone i thought was exciting. Because you look at a lot of his tackles towards the sideline in open-field against guys like alvin kamara yet. His missed tackle percentage was four point. Four that's insane when you consider last year kwan. Alexander was in the teens in the teens and drake green laws out four point four. Kyle shanahan himself so that he's the fastest linebacker on this team and it shows because he gets to the flat like no other and i just love seeing in plays a silent silent linebacker and like you said it's it's like watching patrick and navarro bowman in their first year together. Yeah absolutely and it feels like that and it feels like who takes over this defensive coordinator job. They're going to be fine on defense. I'm not worried about that. My final guy who just gets me up during the season was jason barrett. My goodness can i. Can you believe jason played a whole season no injuries and he was one of the best corners in the entire. Nfl like it's crazy. How good he was and thing is like beginning before the season started. We were like. Oh man richard. Sherman is gonna leave after this season. That sucks and now it's like no we get time. Jason read is our number one corner next season. Because they're going to pay him hopefully and he's awesome he the stats he put up. This season was it was almost impossible to throw on the guy. It was really fun to watch. And i really hope that he can keep up this the streak. He's had with no injuries. You know this season. I hope that you know the one thing i worry about is as you sign. A guy long-term who has injury problems the following season he gets injured but i think that they're going to bolstered the corners underneath him where they don't have to worry about playing a brian allen during the season I think that. But i think bret has proven. He's cornerback. one on the scene. Yeah i i would agree with that. I would love to see jason brat. Pack on this roster. I have to see him back on this roster someone. I'm gonna say that. Gummy excited watching him play. Is jimmy ward. And he's not someone. I gets much love for what he does. He plays out tyrone matthew like role and he does it fantastic. He had a two point. Seven misako percentage for safety that went to the box. Essentially once tart was out for this season and you saw him shine in that he gave up a sixty six point. Seven completion percentage Which is okay. For his safety position he can. These can lockdown tight end. He can man cover on wide receivers. He can lockdown running backs and he won you. Ask him to cover. He will do it. And he'll do it at a high level. So that's why. I'm going to say jimmy ward just seeing that multi use api even if you wanna put them as a single high safety. Yeah he may not be the best at the thing. Why safety because you think earl. Thomas which roll thomas was one of the best to ever do it as a single high safety. So it's kinda hard to compare anybody to earl. Thomas did but jimmy ward is what he can bring to this defense way could just flip them in flip mouth in any scenario. That's what i get excited. Balancing multi safety. Not just a jamal. Adams hegel sack the quarterback type of safety. This defense will be fine next year no matter what happens with saleh which. We'll talk a little bit about but real quick. I think there's only one moment that really halted the hype train for me this year and i think it was just injuries in general whether it was nick bosa jimmy. Garoppolo deebo samuel. You know. I got hurt a little bit like i think the injuries in general just really halted what could have been this season and i still think one hundred percent. This team's healthy even which garoppolo who we have talked about a million times. How i don't think he's you know this season was his put up. Her shop seasoning. Put up so. I don't think he's the guy i think jimmy garoppolo. This team is probably still playing next week. No matter what If this team isn't hampered by injuries in the way they were than. I think that this is still a playoff team is still a team that potentially could get to the nfc championship. But i think that there's some big changes that need to happen. And i think i'm hoping that in the end the injuries will seem like a blessing. Because it allowed this for the forty niners to fix this roster and retool it to make another suitable run with a much better quarterback to the point where we're not relying on one of the greatest forty eight hundred defenses in the history of the team right. I'm i'm gonna go with so injuries. Yeah that's definitely. I agree with that one hundred percent. But i'm gonna go with someone individually which is kinda harsh but it's absolutely true. He stopped the train himself. Which is nick mullins. When his rookie season he came in he was three and five. Okay that's not even a five hundred record but this is two years after you'd figure the guy got better being under the same system with kyle shanahan being in the same quarterback room with cj beathard and jimmy garoppolo who've all been there together. You'd figure that he got better. And he stepped up when his number was called this year but instead worst winning percentage which i said that doesn't completely go all on the quarterback but apple those games he single handedly lost the game for the forty niners eagles game. That's an absolutely for all their cowboys game. That one was ugly as well. So and then he had a lower touchdown percentage he had a higher interception percentage. He had a worse quarterback rating and awards. Qbr so that someone. i look at say. Hey man maybe if you were just two thousand eighteen nick mullins. This team could have had a shot at eight and see what happens but he just gotten worse in shanahan calling him the smartest quarterback in the room. It's just head-scratching to believe. This guy is the smartest quarterback in the room yet. He got worse from two years ago. Yeah i that's perfectly fine and if we're going to blame one player. I think he was the worst player on the team this year by far. I think it's not really close. And i think that like most of these guys. I think that you know they did their job. The best they could they really tried to work with what we had. Nick mones was just so awful for most of the season that you know he really killed this twenty twenty season even though it was probably already dead as soon as nick bosa got hurt But yeah i. I completely agree and i think he's on his way out. I don't think he plays a forty Uniform ever again but Yeah another guy. I hope is not on his way out. Though is is robert sela i i think he is on his way out. I mean. I hope he's not i feel like He was the embodiment of of this defense. This year It's going to the data that he signs with another team. I think he's gonna be a hard day for a lot of niner fans. Because i think he came full circle where a lot of people hated him because the talent wasn't there and then the talent got there and he was so good that we were blown away and then this year the talent wasn't there and he was still so good and so i mean if i had to name any. Mvp on the team player. I think it's robert. I think that robert has the most important was the most important part of the two thousand twenty forty niners whether or not the playoffs. And i think when he leaves whether it's to atlanta detroit jackson wherever he goes. It's going to be a real sad thing. Yeah it definitely is. He's gonna go. I think it's an income down to between probably detroit's and jacksonville detroit. Because that's his hometown. His parents still live in the area. it will be. One of those dream comes true. He grew up alliance fan Depends if he sees i. I'd i because at the end the day he could group alliance fan but if it's not the best for his brand and basically his business. Why would you go there because defensive guys don't necessarily get second chances like offense of guys poi- an example adam gays. He got a second chance with the new york. Jets the very very next season after he fired from the dolphins of guys don't really get that they kind have to be defensive coordinator for ears in years and years before they get a second shot like vic fangio for instance if the denver broncos let him go he would go right back to being a dc. Even though he's a hell of a coach just had bad personnel in denver. And so you look at jacksonville expecting to make the playoffs next year. So he has somewhat of a window and he'll also get trevor lawrence in at quarterback with salary cap to work with so he can add pieces on events he as josh allen as a defensive end so i think he could rebuild holter into a winning culture rather than a jalen ramsey. Saying give me the hell out of here or negotiate way saying. Get me the hell out of here. I think you could read ran that jacksonville culture and it makes it easy. If you have a guy like trevor lawrence available at the first overall pick. I think the best job available by far is still the san diego. I'm sorry the los angeles chargers because justin herbert is already. What top eight quarterback in this league maybe top five. I what he's done this year. He broke almost every record a rookie quarterback brake and he missed a game. He didn't play every game. And if you're inheriting a team that already has a franchise quarterback the sky's the limit. What you with the draft. Sky's the limit which you can do outside of that because he's also on a rookie contract the only problem with the chart. Where the chargers is you have to play. Patrick mahomes twice a year and that's a pain in the. Yeah yeah. That's why i look at the. Afc south was jacksonville's in okay. You have tennessee which is good. But they're not. You know patrick mahomes level chiefs good. They're not great. Have the texans who's just bad. They're a great ornament and they have a great quarterback but they're bad and then you look at the colts which we don't even know who's gonna be there twenty twenty one quarterback. They have a hell defense. But you're gonna have trevor lawrence on offense. They don't have an ace at quarterback essentially and light chargers. That's probably the best spot. But if i was a candidate. I would figure jacksonville would be more ideal than the chargers right now. Hot take for the colts by the way. I think their quarterback jacob next year. We'll see what happens. What i saw when i lived in seattle and i saw take washington. He his arm is there. He was just a little raw. And i think the sitting behind philip rivers is going to be enough for him to be ready to start next year with that defense and that talent running back and you know what they're figuring out that team are going gonna get a wide receiver in the draft. Probably that team with jacobson could be pretty good. Stole the other forty niners executive now not coach but executive that i'm really afraid to go is is adam peters You know a lot of people on niners. Twitter have been begging the forty niners to move adam peters to gm and move John lynch to the president of football operations which the denver broncos just did with john. Elway they move. John elway to the president of football operations and now they have an open. Gm spot and. that's actually where adam peters came from. So i don't know about you. But i'm really worried out of peter's is gonna leave and take that gm job in denver. I hope he doesn't and the forty niners are smart enough to say. Hey no you can't leave we're going to give you our gm job and keep them around. Because i'm pretty sure this might be wrong but Adam peters was the one who was going around scouting. zack wilson. This season will yeah. He's the one who's been calling the most of the shots when it comes to scouting players for the nfl draft. He's he's kind of been that stone there he's been shanahan's raw is he's the guy jan trusses hot and with peter's akash of the shannon plan which is another episode of the niners nations podcast He said adam. Peters got his extension before john lynch did is off this past off season. And that's one hundred percent accurate. Adam peters did get his extension but the thing is does adam peters wanna stay in a secondary role because even if he does go in a primary role and they give john lynch some type of promotion whatever it is they could kind of create the title of it on the fly. They give him some type of promotion and give out peter's the gm job. How much of a gm will he be because at the end day kyle shanahan soon be calling all the shots. He's the one who's gonna give the final answer. Yes or no on a lot of these players even when it comes back to renegotiating contracts that are expired. That a lot of it's gonna come from shanahan's decision so those peters wanted do that for his career or does he kind of want to build his own empire. It started in denver where they do have some some foundational pieces. I'm not sold. That drew lock is the guy yet but they do have a top ten. Pick that if they want when they could go get one So it's just basically what adam peters wants does he wanna stay under john lynch for a couple more years and then find that promotion for lynch or does he just want to build his own empire that that's that's going to be the question that it comes down to just how much power does adam peters want. We always know this shannon's team it's always going to be shanahan's team and i gotta peters has liked that to this point but i mean maybe vic fangio's going to give him a little more power Because it's not that kind of situation up in denver. I mean drew. Lock is not a bad quarterback to inherit. I think he's been raw. I think he needs more rooming. But i don't think i don't think you give up on drew lock quite yet. I think there's still some talent there that he's had. Some decent throws indecent games and inheriting a quarterback already could potentially set you up where you can build a roster around him. I mean judy courtland sutton still there. There's still a lot of talent and they still have von freaking miller. So you know It'd be interesting to see what happens in the offseason without without peters. I'd love from not to leave but let's get into some of these farewell press conferences real quick. I clip. we're gonna play for you. Is jimmy garoppolo. And this is what he said when he was asked if he wanted to be the forty niners quarterback next year. I'm here to play quarterback. I'm here to be the quarterback of this team. And every day i go out there and try to prove that to my teammates my coaches and at the end of the day. That's really matters. So the people in this building i love him. It's a great group b. around john kyle. I think they've talked to the media and said what they've said i. I love those guys for it. So it's Yes i love it here so you heard that and i think the first thing that comes to mind is he kinda sidesteps. The question leo. I feel like there's no real answer there. It's just like i love being with the foreigners loved the organization. There's no answer in that to me. i don't know about you. Yeah i would say that's what they would call on the nba euro step It's basically like hey. I love the guys here. I'm still current. Leave the forty niners quarterback so until. I'm told him not the forty niners quarterback. I'm going to continue to be the forty niners quarterback and there's a great group of people hear that's about it wasn't i'm going to be here. I am the guy this is my team know like yes. They confirmed with me. You know it's a bunch of fake news. Don't believe everything you believe on the internet or don't believe everything you read on the internet there you go and it was just like you said it was an mba terms eurostat. It's just like we said with vici- last week the writing on the wall. Like you're not going to be talking about quarterback in this way if you have your guy i just don't think that's going to happen i just don't see they're going to talk this way because they have no idea what's going to happen. They might trade to to and take justin fields. They might trade to zack wilson. They might find a way to trade from matthew stafford. They might go get trae lance at eight like anything's possible and i think that they know that we know that. And i think that they want to move off of jimmy. Garoppolo want him to be the quarterback next year then kyle shanahan has made that pretty apparent by the way that he moves and the way that he interacts on the sidelines. Whenever jury throws the football. But if there's not a better option. That is achievable which i think there is. I think that you could totally trade up and get two to three or four and get the quarterback of the future and do that. I think you do to garoppolo. We'll be back next year. And i think that they don't want to rule it out completely but i think that they are eighty percent. Want him out. You know it's not a fifty fifty thing. They want him gone. Yeah and it's i think what hurts the situation as far as freeing up his twenty four million in cap space is they got screwed with quarterback health. This year in quarterback play this year when jimmy garoppolo wasn't on the field so it's i want to erase a situation the to where they take a guy in the first round even if it comes via trading up for the guy in the first round in holding onto garoppolo because one if that first round pick you took gets hurt week two week three now. I'm gonna knock on wood here that that does not happen. But as an organization you have to hold that in in the back of your head okay. We need a plan at quarterback one and a plan at quarterback too because they cannot go into twenty twenty one and wasted another year of super bowl roster so even if they can get a matthew stafford well that means to me is gone and they'll select their first pick at quarterback if they cannot get a starting tie. Put back up or just a quarterback that you need to start you two to three games in the season if they can't get them they're stuck with cj beathard. Then jimmy garoppolo rookies and beyond the team but if they can go get someone that can start a few games. Say even alex smith alex mitts on the market. And he's willing to come back to san francisco while you see alex smith in a rookie. I'm knocking at erase. The jimmy garoppolo narratives on unless a they just really need the freaking money to be cleared up or be. They have a veteran that they could get on the market. Yeah i think that's totally what it is. I think that if i had to be a betting man real real quick. Let's let's play this. john lynch. This is ron lynch quote real. Quick this is. John lynch when he's asked a similar question about jimmy garoppolo. We've had good discussions with jimmy. It's been encouraging to see him back out out on the field. There's a lift when he's out there. It's just it's it's one of the qualities he has. That i admire i think. His teammates thrive off his presence. Whatever it is. I don't know why You know i do know why but They do i mean. That's just gotta that that it's actor yeahs that in so that that's been fun to see him out there. I know that you know we plan on visiting mayor in the next couple days. He's working really hard so now we just bought forward. I think that that the way he says that. I just don't see personally. I don't believe that jimmy garoppolo is going to be back. I think that they're going to find a way to get something done where they can get a better quarterback prospect. Someone who better fits what shanahan wants to do. And i think that lynch kind of has that feeling as well but they can't rule it out yet like it's so it's such a bizarre situation because you know he was there guy and he just hasn't lived up to that. Starting quarterback moniker. He's never done what they wanted him to do. And i think that they know it. Most fans know it and this idea that you know they win. He's there like they win when he is because he's the starting quarterback versus the backups that they've played otherwise but they. I just think that this is them telling you when their own way in their own football way that they do not want him garoppolo back. Yeah it's unlike the real world in the real you can break off a relationship with zero backup plan. You could do that in the world. You can just break it off any moment. If it's not working in the nfl with a quarterback you can't just break it off with zero backup plan. You can't just say. Yeah we're done with jimmy ruin any type of trade assets you could got and basically if you want to negotiate a trade for matthew stafford you screw yourself over. Because now they're going to want an arm intellect for you because you have no backup plan. They know you're stuck so you can do that in the nfl. You could see there that there are certain comments that's saying that's not concrete eating him to the team in twenty twenty one to where john lynch saying. Hey like he is our guy this. He is going to be the quarterback in twenty twenty one. No questions asked. I'm done answering this. He's our guy moving forward. It's yeah we expect him well. Of course they're going to expect him when they don't have the trade offering concrete and they don't have someone be a draft that's concrete cows. Shanahan usually takes a couple of weeks off in season so he hasn't even looked at anybody that's on the table. Currently so yeah. They expect nothing new change. Nothing changed from last week. These comments don't change anything kyle. Shanahan hasn't looked in just. He hasn't looked at zack. Wilson is look at any of these guys yet and nothing. We're gonna get from these press conference going to tell us anything so people keep re tweeting and talking about it and yeah it needs to be talked about. You know. there's things that need to be talked about. But at currently the forty niners don't know what they're gonna do a quarterback and i. I hate rephrasing this again. But it's just what it is you know. They don't know we don't know. But if i had to be a betting man. Jimmy garoppolo is not back next year. That is my if. I probably bed one hundred dollars right now. I'd say jimmy garoppolo is not back next year. You must make more money than i do. Because i'm not gonna put one hundred dollars on lineup up five bucks how about that if someone's listening to this To this podcast and jimmy garoppolo on the team next year him you with your mayo at on twitter at night three if i'm wrong out. Gladly give you five bucks like you got to step up to the plate now. this is a hypothetical. I'm not putting up any money. I don't make i make enough. But i don't think enough to be thrown one hundred dollars out in but i i. If this was actually betting money. I put about a hundred dollars down that that jimmy garoppolo is not the quarterback of the forty. Niners who is. I don't know. But i i'm beginning to think it's going to be justin fields. I like wilson. And he's pretty much been my favorite quarterback in this class for a long time but extremely rating factors and certain things that i found out the last couple of weeks makes me think that if shanahan gets back from his vacation and scouts justin fields and falls in love with him they will create whatever it takes to go justin fields. Yeah well i'm sure he already likes us. Feels because field spent time at quarterback collective that shanahan seems to be a part of pretty heavily since he's on the homepage of the website him and his father. There's a lot of connection with justice fields in. Kyle shanahan that if you look it up as someone who just you know is looking for it. It's there and it's there in a way where if justin fields is number one on opening day and starting for this team i won't be surprised Because they have the draft capital to trade to go get justin fields. If that's what they really want just like. They have the draft capital Wilson or trey lands or any of them. They totally have it this year. It's not like last year. We only had five or six picks. You know they're going to have about nine maybe more if if signs somewhere and if Adam peters leaves There's a lot that could potentially happen in this offseason. I think that's To be there's gonna be a lot to talk about. I think it's going to be a slow week. It's going to be a little sloppy super bowl. And i think we're going to do a dish show is we're gonna try and bring you different guests to give different opinions every week so you always have someone new to listen to hear what they think about. You know what the forty niners. During the off season i think There's a lot about these free agents as well. I don't want to get into that too much. I think. I do wanna play one more clip before we get to the end of the show and this is kyle you juszczyk offensive weapon on his thoughts on if he's going to be a forty nine next year not totally sure. What's ahead for me. I don't want it to be a sense of finality honestly i. It's just been a lot of emotions you know the past weeks and even you just asking. Zara having choked up but Just a lot that Will come into play here. And you know kyle and i continue to have discussions. And he's made it very clear. Kyle john everybody that they want me here And i want to be here so you know we're going to work towards that but you know free agency is a is a tricky thing and you know what the cap number being lowered so much that's gonna come into play so you know it's just kind of a wait and see and Let some pieces fall in place and you heard that and it feels like you know at the end of that. He started to get a little emotional. And it's crazy that this team has this culture that guys just wanna be a part of and if feels like one thing about how you should this year as he was super duper unutilized but he still wants to be a part of this next year it gets emotional about not being here. You know when someone gets that emotional. It tells me that contracts may be off. I know john lynch that he's a guy that they'll do everything they can to retain them. That's kind of what you say about a player on us six level or else you get backlash like what the hell are you guys doing So the difference with us checked where they could potentially make it. Work is his contract. Numbers aren't going to be too off. It's not gonna be a difference of seven million like a could be for once fourteen. The forty niners have seven on the table. The difference would use check is probably be about three so thirteen. Be closer to the number than a usual position like a quarterback running back wide receiver. Pullback is different so they're gonna be closer to that number and the fact that he's just so emotional seems like they want him but it's like hey dude you're going to have to wait to see what happens to make sure that we could afford basically a luxury position. Fullback is a luxury position. Apple's not right tackles not right. Guards not left guards not centers. Not fullback is so. It's kind of those wait and see games. I think that's why check was probably so emotional to where they want to come back and they wanna re up and in ride this wave once again but he's probably understanding that if he wants a stick with the forty niners he may have to turn down a higher offer or an offer that he doesn't even know where the forty niners are because he has to wait for things to play out because they have so many free agents right now and then they have a quarterback dilemma that they may or may not keep around. So he's going to have to sit and wait to reopen forty niners season are going to be the trent williams signing to where that's the priority. He's not the ram williams. Yeah so he's not. I wouldn't even say he's a priority overextending fred warner. So he's going to have to sit and wait. And i think that's where he gets emotional thinking about it to where he may not be able to afford to sit in weight and he may know that this is probably the last time that he's played a football game with this group of players that he basically saw the bottom floor and came up to the penthouse they went from. It's amazing that this team you know closing in on on this twenty twenty season you know. They went from being the number two overall. Pick to go to the super bowl. You know and that's not something. A lot of teams get to experience. It's not as a lot of players get to experience. I think and i feel like the way. Shanahan is running his ship and the way that things have gone as an ideal but the way that caution runs a ship in the culture. They have here. Everyone wants to be a part of it. And i think that players are going to tell guys. Hey you want to be a part of this. And when they bring in justin feels next year you bet your ass that kittle i- euch depot rahim jeff. They're all going to welcome him with with with with open arms and i think that he's going to they will. That will be there guy. They will stand up for. They will ride or die for him just like they do at jimmy garoppolo which is comes down to jimmy. Garoppolo isn't as good as what they could potentially have. And you know these guys want to win. They wanna be here. Look i mean the way that all these guys talk we only give you just kind of. Because i think that one's the most impactful but the way that all these guys talked they want to be part of what they're doing here. This is not a team that people do not want to be a part of a absolutely. And i think as a forty niner fan. That's something that you should look at and feel great about. It's not basically what. Carlos hyde said about the forty niners during their down years that it was just terrible when you have a pro bowl player like Pro bowl earing year out being so emotional about not being a part of this team. It's because he knows what they have. That's one mason emotional. it's not. it's not happy. Tears like pre shanahan were players. Just happy to get out. That's emotional tears that he knows what they have and he just hopes to be a part of it. Yeah i think he knows. I think he knows what we've been saying all year. And that's this team is a quarterback away and this offseason. They need to figure that out and it's going to be a long offseason is going to be a lot of talks on twitter me. A lot of hot takes lot of aggregates. There's gonna be a lot of. There's going to be a lot of that stuff and i think that they're going to get it done if i had to give you one hot. Take you know closing out our final show before we bring on guests with a couple of weeks and stuff They're going to get this done. They're gonna get this quarterback room fixed. It's going to be completely new. I don't think anybody's returning think is gone gone. I think jimmy's gone. But i think that next year. You're going to be much happier with the play of the starting quarterback and i that the backup quarterback will be capable of coming in for a few games in and taking care of things should the worst happen but i think that this defense will be fine. Yeah and the defense will be flying. And that's why i'm gonna go with my bowl take is going to be d'amico ryan's he's an takeover as the defensive coordinator some people say hey. That's not that bold. He's kind of next in line will he is also seen as someone that screen which is fresh new may not be ready to be a dc. It's done a great job as a position coach for the past three seasons. But that's only three years of experience as a position coach and then to jump to coronate doesn't really happen that often but with someone that had lack of experience and did well under shanahan was robert tala. So d'amico ryan's to someone. That's played in this league and i think that's why you could take a a flyer on him. Basically before he is ready to become eighty a coordinator in this league. I think that's probably what will be. I think to make a ryan sounds about right. I think that i'm not making much. Poll take thank. You know it's not baltic. Just just say it just feels is going to be a forty niner. just say it No okay. I'm gonna say they get third quarterback off the board. They're not going to get the fourth quarterback they're gonna get the third quarterback off the board with could be zach. Wilson are just because today shanahan said that. They're going to be more aggressive at the quarterback position than they were previously and last year. They figure they had jimmy garoppolo. After the year he had they had molins. Who it's you know still under contract. They had better to still under contract. Will mullins went through tommy john. That's a tough injury to come back from c. j. through an unrestricted free agent. And i think they know to me grapples not the long term answer. So like i said while they're sitting there at twelve is i doubt the amount of roussel injuries wasn't just about the amount it's about who was hurt. These crucial injuries. So i don't think they're gonna sit at number twelve in the near future. They're gonna be in the playoffs probably in the for the next five years or five year stretch where they make it every single season. And so if you're sitting at twelve you have an opportunity to take either fields or a zach wilson. Couch johnson be aggressive. And he's gonna make sure it's one of those guys because i don't think freelances ready. Some trae land isn't ready. You're going to be stuck with jimmy garoppolo contract. I think it's best for them to get off of that contract and get us of veteran that can give you three games. Not not nick mullins. That are in. That could give you at least. Three games cam newton. I'm not i to say. I think it'd be like tyrod uffizi. Yeah if you could get tyrod tyrod. Qb's three games without turning over the football much. That's patrick smith the practice hand but if you ask fitzpatrick to play three games for you. He's in those three games solid. It's usually after the fourth game where things go off the rails for fits. Yeah so he's also an option. It just depends if he wants to be another backup quarterback role or does he still think he can be a starter in this league. It's just depends on where he's at mentally. Does miami want to overcompensate him a couple dollars just to keep them there because they obviously like throwing him in during crucial times over to a so. There's just a lot on the table and cow shannon mentioned that they're gonna be more aggressive this offseason at that order back position. And i think that's going to involve the future franchise quarterback this team not just in meaning. I'm signing tyrod taylor to eight million dollars. Not that aggressive. That's that's a that means you're now tied up to thirty five million dollars at the quarterback position when you klute jimmy and tyrod. That's not what he means by aggressive. And we'll see that absolutely. I think if there's any you know closing thoughts is don't be content with them putting out jimmy garoppolo next year. You know hope that they fix this. It's time to fix this. Do not just sit at twelve and hope they take a lineman. That's not the answer. That's not how this team becomes. What the seattle seahawks all right now. Where the seattle seahawks make the playoffs every single year whether or not they make super bowl does matter made the playoffs like nine straight years at once in the last ten years like that. And it's because they have an elite quarterback who can make the place and if the niners get a quarterback who could make the plays and already have the stack defense. they already have cows shanahan. They will make the playoffs and go to the super bowl so my father thought everyone listening to this is do not be content at twelve hope they trade down hope that they find someone who is the real deal. I'm tired of seeing this. Oh we're just gonna go get a defensive end or we're just gonna cornerback. No there is a specific problem on this team that needs to be fixed and it's quarterback and if they don't fix it whether or not they're injured next year teams not going back to the super bowl. Leo want understood. How can they do it so you could go ahead and find me on twitter at loyola ninety three as well as i still have my youtube which is tapped in sports plug that into youtube and you can find all of my work there as well all right and you can check me out at nine hundred eight forty nine talk a lot of forty niners talk a lot of quarterback and here we go. This is the most important off season in the history of the san francisco. Forty niners within the last ten years probably real quick shout out. Kp if kfc no you know shadow kp. Yeah we got your back. Don't you worry about that. Kp this has been the niners they should tests. We will see you next week bringing on some guests. We're gonna talk a lot off season. It's going to be a blast and hopefully zach. Well center justin fields or forty niners by the end of april. What's the next week.

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Episode 166: Gamecube Nintendo feat. Adam Friedland, Jamel Johnson & ThemJeans

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Episode 166: Gamecube Nintendo feat. Adam Friedland, Jamel Johnson & ThemJeans

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There was like a crew of comedians before we all left in either went to new yorker carol abras me and my my to phil's come town. You were the dude and then you to you were the youtube and then it was martin lawrence and dave chapelle wanda undecideds patent oswald oswald migra bigly a- and tom myers the crew right yeah yeah yeah that was always like a funny thing in dc. Cavalry is when people would like at open mics like old old guys with like brag about knowing chapelle. Yeah and it's like you knew him when he was sixteen years old. Yeah you're still here. You knew ah literally moves to new york like the second. He graduated high school yeah yeah that's when i did number she last year and also elsa man. I was state at a airbnb and the dude cleaning he gave me his business card and he said he it was the longest running reggae musician in seattle and it. Did it say that on the business i think about sometimes when they have like doing this this year and you're like what point is that making. You look worse instead of better. Oh yeah yes this bad if you correct long. It hasn't if you're still handing out business cards every year. I threaten to get a business card. Yeah don't make any fucking get a business. The most the most fucking go to kinko's right now fifty. We all know the most legendary a business card is our buddy nick mones business card which i don't know if he has any more i'm familiar which was a picture from deviant art of bows houser with his uncut stick out uncircumcised penis out and the other side says nick molin autism. I don't think it has no contact contact yeah yeah. That's how you make it in. This business should be in the guggenheim men like a goddamn yeah. We're sorry for low energy on the pod evil evil we asked me there is a point at the end of the night where it was jim birthday party. We said we're gonna go make this night. Evil and do you want to join with and drills like like no. I don't think we get evil well. We're like a little more evil than you do bad all by myself doc i will go church play real quick when it's like one forty eight a._m. You hit the talking. I had to devils on my shoulder. Yeah i didn't have the angel left to satan on. Both shoulders ins ends. My devils are just i have to bill moore's on my shoulder and he's just like canadian where again well. He's like. Religion is a jo in the n. Word is boy man. You guys are wild man. Oh yes oh brandon a._m. Go to <hes> to an evil muslim like like bill to us as a models and arabs party yeah yeah so it was like a royal money models part but here's the thing she had also since you got here out of atoms been saying thing it might place and we we took a walk. I made a joke and brennan has been taking it serious walk and we were both wearing bucket hats. Yes and i was like wow this is hilarious whereas with wearing bucket which it's pretty fun and you know people were walking around each other guy wearing bucket honking their horns and look at those two boyfriends wearing their a bucket. They kept doing this and i was like we gotta have a night where we were were. We get a bag where how can you get in a bucket. Though oh you can get really fucking buck wild in a bucket alternate evil is with the windbreaker. That's chaotic evil a arctic but it was a little too little unseasonal yeah yeah. We're still in late summer summer right now here in los angeles and there's no reason to really be wearing a bucket hat at night at nighttime. It's a ridiculous look. It's the best time there's no sun. There's you know anybody at this party to know what my eyes look like at all exactly where they should go. No it's yeah we're like oh we don't. We don't want to get recognized that this model's exactly no. We were gonna take take swarmed models arabs party. How did you guys get invited to the models and arabs cheese as friends of mine that know this eighteen eighteen year old model male model who male model by the way who wears the male model sorry hang out with all different types of moths we were hanging out with some with a male model with a man model did not expect to hear that yeah we met him and he was wearing vineyard advise polo and a vineyard vines had he's like you guys see this fucking vineyard vines draper. I was like so yeah i mean he was like he was pretty amazing. Honestly yeah he was like it was weird. Phoenix sixty with my mom so we are fucking model. He's like he's. I don't know he's one of the dumbest people remember i'm really. I'm really rooting for him to have like a good five years years and then you know obviously be on hollywood boulevard like doing some dark shit how it ends up for everyone but playing guitar for nickel bet him can see was with your boy and he was like yeah. We like met because of like. We're in this like four chan crew yeah. He's he's the ship posters. Male model. Slash short was kind of the a half chinese male model awesome models party. He was like dude. I got so like one day. I got really like you're like oh. You're model like why don't you live in new york yours that the move and then he was like yet dude like there was. I'm kind of canceled in new york. Did you okay are we an uber with a rape <hes> yeah and then he he was like yes so like i i got really bored one day and posted a bunch of pictures in a maga- shirt and then my modeling agency so you dropped me say yeah that checks out. I think he's much more like black pill edge lord. I don't think he was an actual political. I don't think he really even knows who the president is trying anyway. I guess to to rewind a little bit earlier. In the day i went to erawan and calabasas and on the on the drive from owns the beach and i said let's saw the airline. I'm gonna to buy the most expensive bottle of water that they had and i ended up buying the three most expensive bottles of water this yeah and then two boxes two boxes of like small boxes of kiwifruit salads and then one ice bulletproof coffee and a wellness shot where you think what do you think sixty dollars it. It was forty nine forty nine. How much is the most expensive all the water. It was seven dollars a lot less than i expected but it was it was not big. It was like a sport bottle. It was like like very small and it was a hint hint hemp infused so anyway. I'm laughing and i am fused order on vacations. You know might trying to buy the most expensive balls of water in los angeles do wild shit like that and then i walk into the parking lot and and then who do i see a car and it says m._m._a. Champ on the license plate was like l._l. That's so funny and then we're driving off and i see chuck the iceman ladele his license. It says image and i roll down my window. I was like <hes> shock. I it can i can. I get a selfie for the culture of silt and he's i honestly the best possible answer he was like of course say like okay or your little bro instead of course and then i had to get the pig with with with the fucking ice man very nice guy sweet gentle soul as long as i hit the grid or is that stories it has a hey grid that you know that you know that ah data grid yeah i was going back and forth with it also my my friend. Marcus was in looking a little too fine so i was like maybe you know do low crop actions action. Just is man. I gotta get him out there. Maybe get some some d._m.'s from some finance autistic men and listen to my podcast might wanna holler at him. You know anyway fascinating back to this party. We get to the house in the hills. It's a mansion. They have an infinity finnity pool. That was another thing we were promised way and we get there. Just fucking car like eight squad cars like ten cops on the street yes yes she is getting shut down but it sounds like popping inside but like basically no one else could get in in the cops. Were just like shining signing flashlights what your friend marcus was like oh dude <hes>. Can you let me back in like we i left my phone. I i left my phone inside and like that works if you're one man but it's like we all saw collects ten phones chicks with us at all. Your two girls okay perfect ratio ten due to girl raised five one kill death ratio no alcohol no no booze. It's in the hills that you don't have to bring rolling rocks the hill okay the whole night and then and then we're waiting outside some fucking mansion the hills and it just felt like fucking highschool. It felt prophetic. We're in your thirties. I'm thirty a two years. Old is standing there with any party. Just seeing evil nineteen year olds with too much plastic surgery leaving this party looking like it was great you you know and then so then we like basically mattison beer types. Our next plan was like we're okay so let's get a hotel like let's go to the mondrian or something something and then ordered bottles from yeah. We're like we we just wanted booze <laughter> because it was posed to you can't go to a fucking bar and you can't buy any alcohol in in this goddamn backwater of los angeles california by the way i have. I have said that i'm not i'm not drinking which i'm not drinking but i made an exception while i was in town yeah right <hes> anyway so that's funny. That's funny. I was like we're wearing bucket. Hats yeah yeah. I'm we're gonna have a couple of drinking though spritz. I would've had a spritz if they had it spins in that year by year. Birthday party's not like a spritz yeah so it's kind of more of a divy come we have now. I would've loved that drinking. Whatever double oh evan williams yeah anyway. I'm calling around to los angeles area hotels and mike pardon me. Is you know third on compa adam. I'm free land <hes>. Do you have any rooms available and they're like yes. We do have a vacancy. I was like can i order bottles of alcohol to the room and they're like no. You can't after to him so we're we're out so we went basically to this couple that we're with to their apartment and k town that didn't didn't have enough seats and we're sitting. There and all anyone had was cocaine. We're just sitting in an alcohol free. It was the jewish people just do bring in santa dark. You know an eighteen year old male model with us who's like a pep a and the we drill like with the full vineyard vines drip in your mind's headband like like he was like ktar kept talking about the vineyard vines thing and there were people we went to the party and there were people like this thing now that same everyone knows a weird like the guy iron but i feel like it massachusetts thing cape cod or talking about this like he's like friends with like a bunch of new york fucking fashion kids or whatever and so he was like talking about this vineyard vineyard vines thing and it's like it's i feel like it's very specific like i feel like that's irony that doesn't necessarily read just like wearing a vineyard advisor. People are just going to be like yeah. That's a white guy and he's wearing a vineyard vines or they're not gonna assume like whoa is this guy in the fashion world of the vet mont skirt or something to manage. He was like talking about like marbella shoes or whatever yeah and they're like yeah. He's a successful model. It's like we're told really like this. Guy is the dumbest person in the world but he's hilarious news a successful the model so i was like oh yeah who you with like. Are you doing like balanced yager. Some shit mainly modeling for a hot topic right now you fucking rule dude. You're my son anyway. You're my new son. You're like so you're but a boy and he was like what is a good yeah. I was like oh so you're you're but a boy and he was like but boy anyway so like yeah. The only beer there that anyone had was knows beers. It was also three thirty a. m. g. so people just started already hitting bags and it was just like what the fuck are. We gonna do the rest of the night i rip and bags and pods so the boy the boy like the right time to do a startup. We could think tank fire as app ideas anyway so really the boy. We could have gotten the boy in there. He could add some good anyway. <hes> so then the looks at his phonies like there's there's fucking after let's roll through fucking google maps. Eleven minutes away was fucking it as i do. They have alcohol because i need to drink drink alcohol right now like i need to like find a way to falsely like this is like we're just sitting in this apartment with we're in there. We went heaven purgatory. Hell yeah because like honestly like i got the field report at your party unlike a hamad and all of them like at emily like a bunch of comics went to fred sixty two to a diner solstice wholesome night night and then i was like we had to go to fucking. I'm wearing a bucket house my boy right now we've made. We've made these plans all week. We're gonna go out wearing bucket heads. It added would take his bucket hat off. Sometimes get pissed off. Take it off then. We had an agreement where we would both be wearing bucket hats all night out appreciate it. If you put your book and how back on yeah i wouldn't string two years a little more elaborate braille. Mine is the tighten up the string that it's very elaborate it <hes> polo ralph lauren polo bucket hat ceremony capone and noriega powerful armful never do prison time. It was definitely like i mean everywhere. I walked panty dropper hat. No i walked in every uh room. I walked in. Everyone turned their head. They said they said said who is is that the rapper noriega and he's like no. It's just comedians. God digs ever on me i don't want to we don't talk about that talk about that. We don't talk don't talk. We don't talk about that. We don't we don't talk because we don't tell. I just pretend that like half of twentieth succeeded in exist. I just pretend half of that didn't have you got in british got that attacks from my friends that we would chill last night and he's like yo is was the boy in your dream last night and i was like i was like damn i am. He's he's a legend right and he's like no seriously was in your dream and i was like no. He's like well. He was in both mine and my girlfriend stream last night and so it's good that we not a demon like boy could have been a d yeah. He looks kind of a little bit like us. Malfoy oy you know what i mean he had like blond hair but was like like quarter chinese airy and devil half chinese areas area record chinese. I couldn't tell that's why he's yeah. That's what he's a fashion model like ambiguously ethnic anyway enter the night. The boy looks at his phone. He's like you can go. After eleven minutes was fucking do it. We get get downtown two warehouse and this is our descent into dante's inferno. I mean it was like maybe the first or second ring of hell we were in the seven. Yes yes following him to another location. It's the terrible it was four am. I was like i went. I went to beers wherever i can get tube uber's right now. Obviously there are no beers obvious rope years. It was only the only options were brown. Liquor fled ginger ale. Yeah yeah exactly yeah there. Were these two <hes> like bartenders kind of older lesbian women and you'd like order a drink with them and they would just like be like mumbling like charles manson style like they were like borderline like like like extreme. Did you see that you try to branch to order a drink and she was like oh. That's really what they are. Tapers off of being bartenders race war race war race war whereas tori i'm warehouse bartenders were not like normal right. Yeah turns out playing like but they were also like maybe like forty eight year old lesbian women to it was also the music when we got in was like like hard style techno like from the scene seen in zion and matrix to where they're like. Let's have a rave. They're not in it for remixes like evil. This is like a blood relative. Was that a blood drive from bomb. Yeah exactly exactly a vampire is actually listed and you know what if if i'm ever in an environment like that and everyone is hot. I'm like this is cool. You know what i mean but i was not the case. There were like cripples their people casts. It wasn't like not i'm from my bird with me. There are definite parrot on the shoulder hot young hollywood party. I'm so glad you guys didn't make me go with you. Thank you in there and i go the ten dollar cover. I've one hundred dollar bill right. It's a ten dollar cover. I said i'll pay for me and and my friend and i paid for honore gene and then the two farther friends so i went and sixty dollars. I'm gonna use the sixty dollars to get two drinks for me and brandon who had no cash. I order two shots and she said that'll be twenty eight dollars. Ah for being in hell i had to pay served on a dixie cup so i i ended up spending nearly my entire budget of sixty eighty dollars on a total of two shots for me and brandon and then and the cover and the dollars spent a hundred dollars go to hell. L. and i literally left my pocket in a matter of five and a half minutes. You could have got some really bomb natural one for that much money. You know i got an juggle carlo rossi. We truly could have had a nice bottle of orange wise a nice night in that would have been better watch. We watched a youtube clips. We could have watched what's clifford third with martin short chasing pussy. You know jesus say what it's time for you. Gotta turn your life over to christ man truly j. into to convert to christianity. No i baptize come to woodbridge. I've been going through and i always return to bob dylan. Every break-up this break up the three christian albums and we went to san diego. I can't can't get enough. I mean all my favorites us. Have jesus period. I'll say vis-a-vis vis-a-vis break like a post break-up move. I think <hes> converting to catholicism policy is definitely shut up. Healthy normal took break-up is i think that's alpi. Did i did have a religious awakening after the break-up and converted to rastafari. I means that ah become incredibly homophobic pat. I'm all about the cool vibes <hes> violent homophobe. Eh never smoked weed. You're just yeah. I just want to burn them. Yeah i thought it wouldn't you burn down. You're talking about a men's health clinic. <hes> who come on it's a joke i'm. I'm making fun of them for being <hes> so that was our night brandon yeah. That was a you yeah. You kept the exact opposite you at least get get it then on your birthday birthday cheeks now i didn't you didn't clap any take a single birthday zero cheeks for the leaks. Are you saying black south african actor uh-huh arrive and then he hit me run with your leonardo dicaprio blood invictus yeah just went home ate some grapes apes and that movie invictus fire it is matt. Damon brings the country together. I love anytime team brings like the town. That's why eddie is the best movie. Remember the titans man you ever seen any no remember eddie as a movie from the ninety s where whoopi goldberg coaches the new york knicks. She hits a half court competition at halftime. It's like this team so bad the next fan they hit a half court shot is going to be our new coat coat and <hes> whoopi goldberg a._b._c. awesome john salley plays. One of the guys is on the tour defaults. I remember him being so good on best. Damn sports show period which i watched a lot. I watched a lot as a kid. I will uh-huh on arnold. Rhody was the warm up guy for 'em sports show period. Yeah i <hes> <hes> yeah fucking john salley. Tom arnold who else is on there. I mean i remember tom. You've named the star the the best damn sports. We need jack jack. I'm googling yeah jackson. I'm on my laptop. Bidding deputy tippety tabrizi happy laptop an influence or did something odd i. I'm just laughing because someone discord chat made a good a salient point your dad's away bitch the what what do you think he's gonna listen before uploads. He's gotta he's gotta listen to. It probably listen to the best damn sports show period. It really sounds like a name of sport show. That brandon came up with you would've said dang. Maybe i don't say dang damn the best sport show. They're the best sport show well. It sounds like it sounds like a sports. Show title that like lake. Somebody hasn't watched sports the best damn this cast is absolute fire but also had a rotating cast with different people. Okay wasn't leeann tweeden on that. Show yeah leeann tweeden does why i watch it 'cause leeann tweeden thompson looking fine as well too so this was your s._o._l. Braden this france. I'm going to tell you the cast in s._n._l. Voice taua moral neurones leeann tweeden john crook cry one being the phillies wager no big boy yeah both cheeks had dip in them michael irvin classic yeah definitely hitting the rock then that are you tasting. Didn't he do coke miami. I mean all the way through the cowboys era detroit token home. I'm going to drop the detroit pistons legend reggie theus okay okay star of hang time and then the classic obviously they had that have one of the best comedians in the game mad t._v. Alumni aries spears yes. That's what i that's who i forgot so there's this was as well. He was on him on t._v. Too voices he was doing shack talks overall deal yeah he was working there. They had them on all the networks. Oh wow that is probably true. There's a sandwich place in d._c. And his pictures on the wall my picture right under his bro- well right there. I'm on my way 'cause was who's oh pops. Dan convince these things that i'm famous. They don't say they give you that after you land the d._c. Improv lounge year. I do you twice in one thousand okay. The cast is bat bat shit insane. It's hard as do okay. Great ostertag shows his ass cheeks of course yeah utah jazz legend leeann tweeden the one that it ended al franken. Was that some other girl. Oh man so. She's a liar yeah. She fucking ruined leeann. Uh i hope that tweeden joe let me let me tell you. These are just the hits. I'm not going to tell you the whole cast eddie because it's bigger this. There was a hit job. Leeann tweeden participated in the hit job against al franken against that he didn't even grab about other innocent people. It's just him pretending to its al franken. Bring them back all right in eddie. We'll be goldberg franklin gela fucking legendary actor. He was on his for rena maliki sealy r._i._p. R._i._p. I pee john salley rick fox the finest man of all time richard jenkins okay of course <hes> let me look. I'm i'm leaving the best one for last <hes> marv albert rudy giuliani fabio uh-huh yes former mayor ed koch dennis the worm rodman vlade divac jerry seinfeld seinfeld and last but not least president donald trump who in the movie rudy giuliani playing himself for very character he plays we'll be go over to to see like. Did you like the movie ghost. God damn dude. We were djamil mel. You know what i want to talk about. Well the other day. I was just sort of casually being like well. We were talking about how girls gone wild would unfortunately not work today. You can't do that. That's not it can't go too. Damn can't go to college campuses with a camera crew and ask women to a show for d._v._d. They don't let you do that anymore. In this in this current climate is paid them in d._v._d.'s. No no they were like what what do i have to do. Something happened joe france. It was jail. I maybe for being such a good guy definitely goo-good of a dude like no you would get a shirt you would literally you get a shirt. You would get a shirt that says girls gone wild on it to show your boobs <hes> and they don't they don't do that anymore. Unfortunately it was like they weren't like welcome to obama's america's. We didn't like the they like weren't core yes. Let's get these steel drums in here. Yes not like literally. I've i have talked about this on the pod before i can't hear steel drums without getting tired of warning because those aspirins pavlovian shit like i can't hear seal drums without getting kind of half kini here this. Did you ever catch a fool. Well like infomercial length block off suet yeah. It's so funny. How many boys jacked off to censor answered. Titties is the jag to stern on e. Yeah wild on e when when howard stern was on e. When the porn are sitting on symbian yeah i would jack off to like a girl with blurred out today sitting on a on a orgasm machine. The point is we got a problem john yeah what the phones we got. We have equal nights and jamal at home doing his homework. Eating graham's going to bed by nine thirty his bed in the morning. We woke up. We're filming it filming recording at my apartment we we woke up like twenty minutes ago. I feel great. I feel great. I think i'm still drunk probably forty five. You already have yeah but we we've been recording for forty five minutes. We woke up twenty minutes ago. Lake delayed hangover is usually yeah have if you remember parents adam you guys know you meant mine. I'm doubling g._w. The reason why i brought up g._w.'s bro my grandpa loved loved g._w. He had several several girls gone wild d._v._d.'s. My grandfather loved shouts out. I don't think my grandpa grandpa was watching porn migrated into hardcore pornography. You was like jacking after eighteen year old co ed insane my both of my grandad's honestly they were they. Something people don't know mills grandparent's growth wrote says of grandparents slipped in charleena chocolate bed with each other and then the two <hes> grandad's would be jacking after girls gone wild videos while they'd be like women. Can you be quiet. I'm trying. I'm trying to watch my stories. It's a different time back the different time that is like. I mean yeah if you're like if you're if you're a grandpa you're fucking married to a woman for fifty years. Yeah <hes> like yeah like i need a break. I want to listen. I want to look at some fucking eighteen year old titties right now so dude my to get that old pussy with take your fucking old graham grandma push you away from me. I gotta check off to some co ed yeah that was it around members obstensibly say i gotta remember the glory days from when i was younger from when i worked out of college yeah yeah my my grandfather went to dartmouth. He was in the janitorial party for two reel. Um we did. I don't think my grandfather went to college you. You dropped out out dramatic nova over early. You were dropped out of nova. No i went to you guys. I know no one i took i went to nova did one yeah nova nova community college annandale kind of the harvard of the nova campuses. Is your nova woodbridge. Yeah yeah yeah. No community colorado's good but community colleges. The northern virginia community college system is good get into to u._v._a. And so amazing they'll there was a bunch of whatever you've been married but for sure not obviously definitely technically u._v._a. In virginia tech but i did the i did one year worth of work in over the span end of two years and then transferred to v._c._u. because i wanted to come to hot with that one point seven g._p. Came in the fucking two point point nine point nine also almost an like yeah dropped out after after semester because my mentality at the time was like oh i want to drop out of a real college and if you look at the alumni page it's on wikipedia like it's like me in christopher poole the creator fortune. It's good company on the. I got got added the notable births at the hospital where i was born in santa monica wall. That's pretty big wikipedia wikipedia patch yeah because that's no middle of the mall hospital. Say hosts have come town. I don't know i gotta look it up but yeah nick nick was like yeah. It's really easy to steal. Someone's birth certificate. All you need to know is their birthday in the place. They were born which is not true. You need like more than that her and then for some reason. I don't know why i was just like oh yeah. <hes> saint john's hospital santa monica and it was like he's like. Are you fucking kidding me out. It was like take it out. Please take it out. Please take it up but i guess yes. The fans added to the saint john's hospital with the hospital. I was born and has been closed for twenty years great southeast. Get your break that bitch. When you're it just got the old one. It was just in the hood but if he's literally what do you do if you lose your birth certificate. I don't even know you have to go back to the hospital and give them there's more info you need to provide tiny piece of the original this missing like someone bid it. I don't know where my birth certificate is. It is yeah. I assumed my mommy has i'd assume so keeping me because i gotta i gotta focus. Take on me. I gotta find my birth certificate. Man sounds like homo down even notable births notable patients because you're so sick the people that died there too well comedian. Adam freeland doesn't say come town. They need to fix that thirty. Come town episode 167 sixty seven and then the name of the episodes to shootings question mark to mass shootings well done jeff. We go hard yeah. Good liner didn't <hes> mariscal hargitai was born there real ooh. Ooh damn smells jealous yeah. No i wasn before it's official would you would you would you would you put it would you you get an with mariscal targets. Yes djamil is like the biggest law and order fish so why wouldn't you. She's a pretty woman on the taking his favourite t._v. Show what a weird what a weird this outta coats. He's checking okay bro if the if the fostering that the woman from your favorite t._v. Show said djamil police have sex with would you do it. Okay this picture okay. That's she's that's. It's a bad picture. Okay fine okay but also like fucking like if she actually did say that. I probably think about added in maybe say no. I would get a little scared me right exactly happen in real life can't just like how you said it. Please have six. Thank you jamal anything. That would just be like well. Please have sex with me. I would be like well. This is money. She makes that happen to me. One time in d._c. Actually paid actors in hollywood well. It's because she's been on that show for so long. They have to keep bumping up the pay every season. You got the e._p. Credit oh. She does some random at a bar. I would love a vet. There's nothing i love more than a vanity ep credit which i would love to have a fucking vanity ep on the remake of smart guy. I'm starring taj sparked guy in this time. He is white right finally finally a white smart guy yeah i've been. I've been tweeting about this nonstop for the past six months. I guess sofia vergara camera is is the highest paid oh and then we'll really but by old i guess is this. She's not from modern family. She's getting paid fucking when she gets paid more than al bundy for that shit. That's bullshit hasn't whole shit. I'm sorry some fucking respect on ed. O'neill's name hasn't hadn't she's got big naturals. Jamila probably has some big titties. What's that he'll probably probably hasn't been. It hasn't big cities that peg bundy. Oh wait. We're his wife. Melania resigned early on. I don't know she's in sons. A lot of people sleep on peg applegate. Ooh kelly bundy was the hottie louw and the funny thing was like every time she'd show up at the beginning of of an episode audience would studio audience would be like they will they. They had a like an applause line. It's a get horny was it was in. Nobody loudly nut yeah that was that was like that's like a thing that i noticed on like old. Conan clips also like just all talk show clips like when a young actress would be on the show it was like find find for the audience like wolf whistle like if jessica alba was on a talk show or whatever like there'd be a bunch of dudes like think wolf worst coney would do it too and conan was like notoriously horny on the show he was. I like to pretend to be a cat and now he's pretending to be a cut. He loves it and the circle of life his side kick is the most horny man alive on twitter the most divorced most horny man alive andy andy richter so fucking horny on twitter sometimes the worst of the worst account and i see that dog the laker i've had so many talks with like some of my older friends where they're like andy richter's such a cautionary tale tale. His twitter is such a cautionary tale like i've had so many friends be like yea got to like get a get a wife in like love her forever because i really don't want to be an erector anybody men all he does is reply to like twenty something freelancers to shoot shot like he's like shooting shots on like. Do you think he's looking for for absolutely not no. Andy richter got rejected from araya damn everything he used to control the universe role. He used to control the andy richter. Andy richter p._i. On n._b._c. andy richter controls the universe on fox and now this man he's he's just being horny on twitter fucking sending replies to brandy l janssen or whatever fucking randy if this gets back to you andy where we're concerned. We love where concern. I don't love you. Do worry absolutely onsite dude bursar. We're gonna get in yeah no like fuck man. I'm yeah i'm concerned -cerned but like what can you do. I'm concerned for myself like i said when i see it. I'm like anyone chess moves. He's concern for brandon those kids in the concentration camp at the border okay well. You're worried about andy rig turnabout pretty quick. Come on brother yeah well while we're at it. We were speaking on katie seagal back monday though that okay to <music> because she was fucking leila on futurama's yeah that's how i am. I gave the cartoon her big big goethe. Leila had the cartoon version the real live version jumbo yum. Yum yeah can't get some big ass tastes on a side note. I want a just a retraction. Is there a wikipedia page for voice actors with the union dan. How are you saying. I need a public retraction on that. Fucking <hes> south park girls' story that was a robot was a robot. I was in fact felt. It was feel hughes texting some girl in seattle well. He was texting about but lose some girl like hey like. I'm just watching south park like south park. One where lower case and lake wanna come over blah blah blah but like they they were texting and then she unmatched on tinder but it was like it was just weird. It was all off and i like at the time was like oh this isn't about this is just so boring woman but then like after you told that story on the podcast i had a bunch of messages flooding hit me like no that i talked to that same rolling fucking america's most wanted and that's why i'm not on tender. I'm not gonna. I don't want to you know i i'm going to. I'm going to start dating a girl. Two years in i find out she's been a spam by this. Whole time. Actually recently got a recently single recently catfish by one of those blacks for trump accounts else dan explore what's her name. They're like oh no one ordos. I'm one of those guys. It was one of those guys on. That's like that's like <hes>. I'm in princess. Just mind dan you business. Do diamonds literally like have bars and we gotta admit that we got. I mean that's two of my two of my spots. In the top. Five a magma used to my. I go back and forth who's got the number one seed. We need to have a pass for both diamond rappers so you got diamonds. Ex alaska baked alaska. Yeah we love our as for that. One s. at brockie probably now after trump really rescued him rescued rescued him single handedly from sweden one of the most dangerous countries in the world locked in a cabinet knowing. We know that guy anders we talk about this on. Come down a lot. Thank anders homes shot up the like. It was like the worst mass mass shooting and anders home anders breivik. Go a home for the holidays. He did that terrorist attack in norway where he had a submachine gun shot up like a kids camp camp for refugee kids right and so they don't have the death penalty so i guess he got life in jail or whatever but then it came out that they gave him p._s. Two in his jail cell because it's like jails are really nice and scandinavia people like that's fucking bullshit. He shouldn't have p._s. Two and then obviously the job is like like come on obviously he's he's in jail. He wouldn't have a p._s. Four you know he's writing. Older system can only play d._v._d.'s. It can't play blu rays. I guess don't play state of emergency. Of course he can do it. It's wild yeah. I mean as rocky when he was in jail. In sweden news probably sick dude was it's probably all furnished by here yeah definitely. The cafeteria was like kia cafeteria. The ribs underrated. There was a period this. This is not this to my man devon. He put me onto the ribs apartment. Keila <music> has has the ribs. Just take a look. Just take a look not gonna make you adjust for lunch. No i mean nate bowlin. Mullen was going to ikea's for lunch. You got like addicted. I key for a couple of weeks originally going there. All the time like posting pictures of his ideal uh-huh yeah man devon the first drummer romain lettuce his girlfriend at the time was working at ikea so he's in there all the time and was like back next to costco is the cheapest lunch. You can get pretty good man. It's like four four dollars five dollars for a full plate of food worth getting lost in a bid it here yeah well my favorite of course my favorite video of all times that video of like all those kids and then the older guy and then he's like he's he's like doing one of those shot bong dab the whole the whole he does the whole thing and then he like blows out the smoke and he starts coughing and then him and like his crew boys get up and you notice that they're in the middle of a nike show. You've never seen outside dude. It is the best video also like a like. A middle aged dude with like straight up nineteen year old degenerates. That's like who's hanging out with. I mean we need jack on the fucking computer man. Oh yeah we need them on the computer that he's he's really good at. It took me twenty minutes to come up with katie's ago. Much coach sebastian motorcycle host the v._m. Is what should host the v._m. Is actually i would love to <hes> who was because it was in new jersey. I may like it's like wild because like in his monologue. It's him being like i just why the wave we need oh yeah here. We gotta watch this. I like little handlebars. Just i wanna get your reaction to this hogan. If you don't know what the punchline is at the end it is shocking if you're listening at home. What should you google to find this not a dab. They're doing dabs inside ikya kids doing. It's wild pretty good. I love it so oh. I'm sick right strode. Show jason key the mike by the sound bar real quick. Maybe maybe this is the this is. We're going like low tech note no jack so we well. We're not going low tech person. There's just no computer. I guess you have a computer but bashing scowl co hosting the v._m. Is he comes out. It's just it's so wild that this happened because it's like this is an award show for children for babies he he comes out. He's doing the dance he's wearing. He's starts flushing yeah. He's doing the shoe dents. He's causing. He's wearing a sparkly jacket get. His act is just like an italian minstrel show. He likes since there's like a part. That's at sunday's rack. Let it roll. Let iraq rock. I won't spoil the uncle luigi stuff. These are teenagers cloud of smoke backs as my mother's fines keeney off ooh twenty thousand people who will be honest artist. Yeah this is hard as fuck what a shot welcome to two thousand nineteen as my name is samantha investments host in the way always was intended in hockey ring in the middle of newark. It's kind of a joke for the room yeah yeah uh but he's just getting started. You like also as you know what so. Is that a tv twenty six cameras all over the room and i guarantee you your back in and get this show and then it's a shot of him like looking at the camera weird awesome nice ones about working. I'm i'm very pro sebastian right now court. You've come here to slander say. I let it rock of this. Oh yes he's here here. We here we go. You don't want to host the country music awards and not know shit. That's going on. I love the birds scooter scooter act out wall and every iphone apparently is influencing new jersey doesn't have time i visit this is bars bars ready. Get ready. Get ready. I'm gonna pull my phone sir for the past forty years and that's hose room. Yeah the boss man brew being name for people from the music industry here tonight back nine music music. This is great. This is great. People throwing shade found out which was this week sort all the shade and back and forth coming up with the seating chart for tonight was it was harder than the tables for my uncle luigi fifth wedding so that joke for wo hello harder than a range in the tables of my wages sweating like this is a minstrel seem mama's making gins zucchini back. Can you imagine if i went on stage. I was like where's ariana grande little egg looms. This italian man is like the my mom. She was a making a pass got a narrow narrow over my goddamn suited. The vienna is let's give it up for that. Let's give it up for the b._m._a.'s marinara sauce. Can you imagine if someone else as like as much of an ethnic ethnic minstrels then they weren't italian like if i did the v._m. As like <hes> so anyway we we have a nicki. Minaj is here tonight and i was talking talking to my therapist the other day and i think i am in love with my mother and i think he's the jokes about like italian also like like he doesn't actually say the music does have writers rooms right. Yes and it was clear that they were like oh. We're going to get these cool young comedians or whatever and he's like no. I'm bringing my own guys. I'm bringing chazz palminteri <music>. I'm bringing the guy that played <hes> veto from the from the sopranos usually he played for not in the show but in real life. I just want to let you know this was that to me. It's just m._t._v. waving the white flag man what the fun jeers cheers shot at in newark which is literally just outside of new york your sports stadium. They thought the whole crowd would be filled with just like like absolute salute like pieces like walk pieces of shit but it's just no kids. They want to see the m._t._v. awards yeah way finish strong and so strong the couple announcements before we get started as good. This is happening for the first time and tv. What they're doing is they. They notice that we're living in ultrasensitive kind. Yes yes we are triggered go off. Are you feel offended by anything. I'm saying appear or anything. The musical artists are doing. They're providing a safe space space x stage. Will you get some stress balls and a blankie and also <music> acts brought his horse wish will horses backstage which as an emotional support for animal so if you'd like to talk to your ushers they will send you back toward land. I saw ming personally remove view from the arena. Put you in your car and send you home whoa they opted with the safe-space why talking about feeling ad then m._t._v. awards that m._t._v. is doing this old school tonight. They're giving out one trophy per category ron. Everybody's walking away with a moon person or a participation is not literally and so if you don't win tonight. I do have a little advice for you next year. Work harder the big big sean for giving it up okay. We're not giving out participation trove of us. This is this culture. Everybody's getting triggered. We're not just fucking. We got a safe space so in big shot at asep furger like hell big shot an ace up fergus plotting for the participation evasion. Trophy lion is incredible. If you're doing a fucking award show all you need to do is go around the room and roast the different celebrities liberties that are like sitting in the room that is that is all you're supposed to do. Yes it's supposed to be like oh. This bitch taylor swift is house who you dating now taylor so you have a lot of boyfriends. That's the point that's all. You have city girls out here. Yeah all you have to do yeah you have to do is just make fun of the the people that's all. Anyone wants to talk about his uncle. Luigi my mom psoriasis zucchini million land about like children getting triggered yeah and then obviously the shitty part is like the fallout is going to be like you know like the woke. People being like right like you know you know no. This guy is like using his platform to like demean people in like demeaned like <hes> safe-space culture just like it becomes an echo chamber between like the two dumbest groups of people in the world which are like you know like forty something year old like free speech is right and then like you know like nineteen year old girls on tumbler that are like you know like i. This is giving me so much fucking anxiety. No it it really is is like the two worst groups of people and they always seem to find each other. Thanks thank you. I used to bash. I actually changed my mind and i think he kind of killed it. I think that's insane dog. One time dies would have killed hosted who wants in the eighties but like he probably like roasted the crowd. I feel like an executive that drake s._p.'s he killed it. He just was like made fun of everyone in the room. It was great so the cops rows shut shut. You guys down no drako because so good at it so easy. Hosting an award show is easy. It looks really easy to do yeah. Guide them dude of course when i i do it. I'm going to do a full billy crystal running the movies billy crystal as sammy davis junior do billy crystalline jazzman character. I'm gonna bring back. They don't make them like billy. No more money to watch ted danson and billy crystal both black face guys totally got totally totally beat the case dancing mary whoopi goldberg and black and i think he did black face like he wasn't at the wedding. Ceremony friars club roasts. Oh case walking wedding. It's so fucking funny just dreadful holson yeah. I was ooh that jack did some shit this week where he was tweeting about the p davidson thing which was it was like the whole like his like in an arena at u._c._f. University of central florida he's in an arena really woke. Call call it. He was like calling the audience retarded like he was like this is a problem you're al- boba and well. He was trying to say the the world is ending. 'cause people are retards because of you know read the actual reasons why people know because people record comedy says on there yeah. That's why that's why that's going to be is capture mill. That's that's the ultimately nations downfall. That's that's why yeah <hes> but <hes> jack lake was jacket like tweeted about it like i forgot what he said but he he likes censored he he did like our asterisk. I'm on twitter. What what is this route hard. I i don't know i'm like i'm going and through these vowels but jack this dome. I don't wanna yeah. I don't want to talk about yeah. Davidson's retarded a at an arena like yeah well ever since i found out he has a big penis. I can't say i'm afraid to say anything because he might fuck me if he might find out big dick dick sonar yeah exactly. I heard you were talking shit. How are we do booked. My hangover just started. I'm like sweating and we've had our we can shut it down. We can wrap it up. We can go and get some food boys. Let's get some food boys. I okay plug plugs lugs plugs speaking of florida's timber fourteenth can be at f._s._u. Say university so if you've got a problem they got got a safe space out alexa play. I love college a september eighteenth richmond virginia richmond musical september timber nineteenth harrisonburg virginia the golden pony and september twentieth washington d._c. Gotta stand up show six thirty in the live pod pod eight jamal. I think you're going to be on the live pod. You're going to be on the live pod. Felix petermann also going to be on the live pod <hes> who's who's to say who else. I don't know who's to say. Probably maybe just felix in djamil mariel bowser <music> if we get against bows in d._c. I believe so yeah hell yeah. Do you have any plugs boys <hes> helena unusual. You don't have any places usual shit jamal. Just watch the w._n._b._a. Those champion of women in athletics co sticks excess shout out to the w._n._b._a. Finals i'm trying to get a little pod in. Maybe some look out for something september twenty first if you're in d._c. And you like to throw a party fucking fucking. Aren't you on the show. Also you're on both of the things that yeah yeah stay in town for the party. He's saturday and watch ridiculous please. Jamal wrote the machine gun episode. Did you and in your twitter. It's just a bar right now. I'll change. Did you say comedian comma rotor machine ridiculous m._t._v. it is you heard all of the wrote every chanel west coast laugh every single time you wrote the euro the part where she was 'cause. That's gotta hurt rob. I wrote it in all caps. Yes i'm used the avenue plugs adam <hes> <hes>. I'm gonna be a couple dates coming up. They're not solidify but if you were a yeah but still come town fan in los angeles. It came to the show. Oh the other night the law drew myself banks. Jamila brandon were there with me. My my brethren from from s._j. Was so it was fun. There was like a great show. It was both sets were superfund. There was some guy who left a comment on my instagram. Those like dude brandon. You're out of your gourd. You killed it and i was like i literally was incredibly sober. Yeah and we've had a shirt on shirt on you. Just had a i had a one button yeah sucker shirt yeah my share some shares should we should we you wear <hes> trusting or by street. 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The Sports Reporters - Episode 318 - NFL Funday. NBA Finals Set. MLB Playoff Madness

The Sports Reporters

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The Sports Reporters - Episode 318 - NFL Funday. NBA Finals Set. MLB Playoff Madness

"The. Award. Winning journalists new. York Times bestsellers don't. Know opinion left unsaid an institution for sports talk in information. This is a sports reporters. Here's Mike Lupu Mitch Albom at Bob Ryan Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe at ESPN. Mike Olympic MLB DOT COM and the New York Daily News. The. Much album of the Detroit free press and welcome to the sports reporters podcast on this Monday. It is a historic Monday There are so many sports going that We barely know where to begin and we'll see if we can get them all in but from football to baseball to basketball to even tennis all of that happening right now, and let's begin with Sunday night. Game on a night full of really great football games from a story line point of view you had maybe the best story line of all, and that is old Aaron Rodgers against Ole drew brees. In a battle of offenses and it did not disappoint it went right down to the wire but in the end Rogers prevailed and the saints are now one and two on this season and looking a lot older than Aaron Rodgers group is what do we make of all that when all was said and done? What we make of it is the the packers are the class of the NFC and. They're no flash in the PAN. They are now sixteen and three under matt leflore and Rogers looks like he's twenty five or twenty six and not thirty six as as he is. And They were benefited. Everybody talked about it last night by the Superdome, not in the superdome. and crowd noise not being a factor because we got a classic Aaron Rodgers moment down the street not only did he make them jump? He got a pass interference on the free play that he got because he made them jump with a snap count they they're loaded and if he stays healthy I believe. He's he's finally going to make it back to a super bowl. Well, I would. Jump into say Here my hands raise I'm on Mr Seattle and I'm raising my hand in the back of the room about the definitive statement about being the best team. Hold on hold on a yeah. They've looked great. They've also one on the last play two weeks in a row at home. Okay and so if I know how good Russell Wilson is looked, but you cannot apply your test to what you've seen over the first three games that you can raise your hand all you want on the on the SEAHAWKS, they're not as good as the packers are. Just. Saying, I'm just I'm just got enough respect Wilson and all that I. would be if it were all by acclamation right now. Yes. Packers I would I would concur. I'm just saying I wouldn't mind I wouldn't be afraid to play them up by with us well. I'll see. On. Mutual few. Both of them they got to get through defense is better. You know they're not going to beat somebody down the road because that was a thirty, seven, thirty game and Seattle's defense which we'll talk about later was just decimated in looks decimated. But when you've got quarterbacks like Rogers and and Russell Wilson you can you can make up for that you know, and you can argue that the packers beat a Lousy Vikings team and a terrible lions team before they played the saints this way too early to talk about who's the best but they they obviously look ironically, you had these two great quarterbacks I thought to game turned on the hands of. A backup quarterback you know who basically does everything for the saints and Hill and he just on that particular time just lost the handle on the ball trying to be a little fancy, a play action, and suddenly every everything turned around and Rogers made them pay and you're right Mike that play was ridiculous I mean the classic Rogers, Bulls Offside. Now, he's got a free play because it's offsides and then you. Throw it to the ends of back. Defensive Back Acting surprised. His arm was hooked. Doe. See Doe. That's not me. I. Think. I really mean this I think in a weird way he's was so like what a play was dead, it was just a joke play anyhow be prepared interference on that. Are you apparently needs? To hold his arm when he's trying to score a touchdown with what who passed that rule. Yeah. That was that was pretty bad. But they're sitting Pretty League Mitch look at this leak and and you say they gotta get their defense in order who doesn't okay who doesn't you and we can go up and down and up and down we can talk about the ravens because I think the Ravens always have. But Mitch. Seven thirty leak it just is okay and I think everybody's a everybody's fine with you. You look at the scoring that went on on yesterday. All I'm saying is that even with receivers that you have not heard of this guy is still one of the greatest players of all time it is position and just makes a new stern burger we had. You heard about that tight end before last night he. Made it look like the second coming of a Dave Casper somebody it was it was it was extraordinarily. They just keep coming up with guys and we hear that they don't take receivers number one. Okay. But boy there show and by the way I, in defense of the other quarterback Oh, you know they've been a lot of conversation about drew brees drew brees look pretty much like drew brees last night. was drew brees fault that they lost that game, but it's you know but it's going to be it's going to be. Tough for them. As they go on but you know they're they are if nothing if not resilient team and they've been through so much and Sean Payton and drew brees had been through so much there's no way that a one and two record should somehow be some kind of portentous of doom for them. They'll. They'll be there in the end whether they get a buy in the playoffs or have to play in a first round or whatever. But there'll be a factor in the postseason. You can already see at at this stage team starting to separate. From from the field and it's a weird year and they didn't have preseason and you're seeing a lot of injuries. Just way too many injuries and I. I'm sure that has something to do with training and and preseason and all the rest of or maybe just got the injuries out of the way in the preseason who knows. But you can start to see on the NFC side while we're talking about that WHO's separating themselves, and let's talk about the Seattle game a little bit I mean that. You're right Mike. They come down to the last minute but they come down to the last minute and win, and there's just you just almost no that if you give Russell Wilson anytime in the fourth quarter he he's having right now he's having three games in he's having the best year of anybody in Lia nobody's close to him. Eight hundred, eight percent of his passes or something like that. Coming into yesterday completions he's ridiculous. It's like a computer model I won't keep it up nobody keeps up those kind of numbers. But right now he's a force of nature and needs to be and they thirty, eight, thirty, one because they're just giving up all kinds of P-, all kinds of yard into. The ball ends up in the hands of the other teams quarterback on on the last play of the game, and again they lose to it seems like they lose to defensive players every set doubts Okay Mitch. Let's let's go to your division and God bless you. WanNa game yesterday. Guess who came back yesterday Saint Nick. SAME MIC A Discussion, is should be over in Chicago now they can just pop. Here's the thing. Here's the thing I love this. I actually tweeted something about this last night everybody acts like Nick foles is thirty eight years old. You know how Nick Foles is. He's thirty one years old why? Why do the bears? Needed a quote quarterback of the future when when I know his career has been space sketchy and spotty and up and down, but you apply the eye test to what falls did yesterday and Trubisky did even when he was winning games. Sixteen at Twenty nine he was. He wasn't. He wasn't setting the world on fire he did throw an interception. Three touchdown passes and he and you know they were playing Atlanta Falcons who who are just now Charlie Brown with the football. Just seemed to be doomed to blow any game. You know you wondered if that OFFSITES onsides kick might have come back to haunt them and clearly something in Atlanta's head when you watch just highlights and you realize Matt. Ryan Matt Ryan is not not forty years old either and. You Watch them throw and you go yeah I remember this guy they went to the Super Bowl and then other times you you watch what happens with that team and you go what the hell you know especially in the second half see the Iky through did you see the through where they still had a chance Oh my God I mean Closed his band. Atlanta, they've got they've got. They've got todd Gurley and. A couple of minutes ago it seemed like they were just stacked with people and and now they can't get out of their own three. So. Lead blown sixty point lead blown mid. You look at that game lions were yeah and and you give them those two games, which is it's like crazy to know sports happens but they'd be to one and tied with touchdown Tom it at the top of the south. I don't know what's going on in that organization in that Locker Room. There's some they just are feel snake bit or act snake never been the same guy since twenty eight to thirty. Amazing. Yes. Really recovered. Same not. That they set a record now by having a fifteen points and sixteen point losses in. Leeds in the fourth quarter back to back games and losing. Yeah it's it's. It's a disaster. But Chicago I mean it's it's. Ever been three to. Four. No nobody's taking. They've played Atlanta and Detroit in that three and run. I don't think I don't think Green Bay is is worried about man we're GONNA have to go week to week just to stay ahead of Chicago, I, think the that chip will find its level in the water Next to Mitch. Think path by the way stay in the NFC. How much fun is the NFC West Right now with the seahawks Kyle Kyle Murray's the rams should have one yesterday and. I got party shot up jets and giants. The giants made Nick. mullins look like on Tanna. Jersey, you got three. Two, three, two, and. So any discussion about it's the opposite of the NFC, East Bobby Yeah No. No it's really really something you might Nick Mullins I. Mean You know who knew I had to go to Google for him I'm sorry. Okay. So so rams game should the rams have won that game? Oh Yeah. I mean I I know they screwed on that call Mitch. Know, we all saw the replay. Okay and yes the the defensive back was writing him off the line of scrimmage but what they call. The ball was in the air. Okay and by then they'd been complete separation and and I don't even I'm not even sure it was a catchable ball and it just it just seemed to me that once again that is there any call? Is there any Sunday? We don't have one game that we're talking about a call like that. Okay and they don't want replay anymore. They did away with the did away with it. They had it. They did away with it. You know for exactly those kind of games and. Mitch the Games, the Sudas the ball hits the ground, the game's over. Okay and the rams have one. Now don't you think if they did replay that would have been reversed? Yes they okay. So there's No Pereira said no, but I just see you know. He he said he said that he thought it was pass interference but and here here's the thing about that game. You know we always talk about attention must be paid is great as golf was bringing his team back. Josh Allen is is somebody force to be reckoned with right now in th- that kid he makes mistakes but boy oh boy oh boy, he shows up with the Games online. You in in a year full of quarterbacks drafted Josh Allen didn't make a lot of noise at the beginning but boy, you know he's got something and he is a. Buffalo is is a team to reckon with and may finally challenge you know New England for somebody else. Please win our division sweepstakes. This year because they're only getting better and he's got a lot of years ahead of him and even though you might Mike he's a little sloppy sometimes but but he's he's he's I think he's the story of young players so far this season three games and got a little bit of a weight on the I looked it up yesterday November. I. This when the Patriots and the bills play. Okay. Let's talk about the Patriots. Let's talk about the Patriots before we talked about the Patriots Mike and go to the AFC how about a word from our? Friends from Kyko. Hey, friends. Did you know that right now gyco is offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle RV policies that's fifteen percent on top of the Money Guy Goku already save you. So what are you waiting for? You want your dog to make you breakfast in bed with Belgian waffles and a fresh fruit compote as nice as that sounds that's probably never going to happen. But at least there's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch October seventh visit GEICO DOT COM to learn more. Okay. Now let's talk about the Patriots. Say so you had the junior senior partner okay. Two hundred and fifty rushing yards two, hundred, fifty rushing art and and and it was very. Sweet. They catered the game to James White who lost his father last week. That they're going to run the ball and Camden to be great yesterday, and you know again, they were one pass interference call away from being tied with the bills at the top of the. East. They end ball with committee. Oh, it was three different guys that were doing the load best. I've ever seen Sony Michelle period. The best he's looked in his career to two long runs he did something that is is like A. Given 'em out here that he never breaks a tackle but actually did break a couple of tackles yesterday he looked good. They have this wonderfully exciting a little little rookie Taylor from Arizona Five, six, hundred, eighty-five, little bowling. One of those players that just drives people who hate the Patriots crazy. This guy and Dexter Birkhead who is a really good football player parentheses when he's on the field close parentheses because he's invariably hurt and you can just turn the hourglass over now patriots fans that he won't get through to sixteen games. This season without injury, he will not play Sixteen Games and that's that's the reality of REX burkhead. But boy is it three touchdowns yesterday to rushing vaulted into the end zone leaping from the three yard line and get carried into the end zone and anyway Yeah. They did it with the three different guys. But here's the thing I was going to get at This is on a revamped offensive line yesterday because they lost their. Excellent Center David Andrews who's broken thumb and is going to be is on the I are had to shift attack Joe Tony Dissenter You know bringing a a sub and got the job done. I don't know I. Don't know guys as we always. Disagreed sports question on. Many sports and many times did tell us more about the patriots already opponents that they were able to run. So well, I don't know yet well. In League where we're talking about nobody playing defense holding a team. The twenty points is actually a big deal and I watched a lot of I watched a lot of the New England game and their defense look good. It wasn't just the point total their defense was up in front hitting hard. You not letting guys get open the kind of stuff that you're not seeing from a lot of other teams next shouldn't surprise anybody with bill in charge but you know that's GonNa pay them huge dividends. If the rest of the League decides to act like defenses, the be thing that you have to do to your a thing of offense. It's so funny when you look at the Patriots because. So far so good with Cam a he hasn't limited. I thought he played great against Seattle last week but he threw for fewer than two hundred yards. He was happy to hand the ball off and the big thing with him Bob is he looks healthy so far I mean it looks intact. He looks like Cam. Newton. This. is going to last but we talked about this before the season started you know write them off your at your own peril. I mean it's it's just I think I think Belichick is having fun. I think Josh mcdaniels Having Fun I. Don't think they have to have the ball in the air to have fun I. Think Bell Check Probably has more fun with the ball isn't in the air and it's going to be very, very interesting to see how things shake out between them and the Buffalo's going for. It's such a historic thing they pounded feasted on for twenty years even. But it's maybe time has come. Who's WHO's winning at we? Three ballot checker Brady Oh boy it's a push right now push. Push. Record Broncos. The broncos Mitch we're like a welcome wagon. To the jets get to play the broncos in Thursday night football, you're going to have to really love football. Watch that one I watched the highlights of that game and Brady's when when Brady had time to pass. You know he looked like Brady and he was he was throwing passes and he He and I still. Say the same yeah. It's he was finally found a receiver to have some chemistry within it seemed because after that first week I was going. Who was what happened to Mike Evans but apparently straightened that out however, he hit the turf a lot for Tom Brady Yep he was he was sacked a bunch of times. He was pressured a lot of times and you know it's not the same offensive line that he was playing with up in all those years where we're protecting Tom Brady was mission one and that will not bode well for forty whatever year old he is that continue. To to and whether it's like a tie right now we have to the second league. There's the NFL and then there's the Brady. Bill. Today are the surrogate second home team here? The telecasters have been nicely set up. We went we segue to that game from here in Boston and Tampa the Tampa Bay game was the game provided of course, and it's going to be division they WANNA be question they can I mean I I think Mitch's right I think the saints are going to be around but the bucks can win that division I don't think there's any question about it. It'll probably come down to those to look Atlanta's already mathematically close out of it. So great game. Before we get tonight's game. Is Awesome. Maybe we're a little quick. To Bury the the Cleveland Browns, I know they only played. The, Washington football team yesterday. But they've kind of as bad as they looked first week of the season. They look pretty good. The last couple of weeks. They didn't. Let. US We all been the world been waiting for that talent to coalesced the talented jail, the talent that supposedly happening offensive day. Baker. Didn't have a big day. Chubb had a big day but you know they actually played some defense to I. Know It's The Washington football just by the way. Don't you laugh every time? Every time you sorry to say that. Direct TV. Why don't you also have the feeling that? Something will happen with Cleveland like they'll be some kind of riff or implosion or something that they don't lose well. They don't lose graciously and when there is a loss or whatever. Like the. Lions. When you get a lot of practice at something Bob Learn how crazy? Trying to find a frame of reference here. Yeah. I. Just feel like there's a rumbling there in Cleveland that something's going to happen now, maybe winning cures all of that if they continue to. Chill, we don't know. Mitch. He. He was a great offensive coordinator in in Minnesota. He actually kirk cousins look good. Okay and. They're going to have a very nice test next Sunday against the cowboys and they pay a very tough division, right? Wow. How about the steelers? How about the just looking like re euthanized I mean when the one with the in the EU And threw me off their lows. Sorry about that and Baltimore a obviously. By anybody's measure is going to be the cream of that division. So win in that division is going to be really tough for Cleveland even Cincinnati as it goes along with Joe, boroughs? GonNa. Be a tougher out. You know nobody expects them to win the division, but they're not just going to be a doormat. Year. So it you know if they get into the playoffs, they're going to probably get in as a wildcard, but it's not inconsistent I asked. A question I asked you guys a question about this season. Okay and we've got some fascinating threes, the jets and the giants they're supposed to be three. It's their lot in life the Broncos they're supposed to and three. Is there a bigger disappointment in this sport than coach Bill O'Brien's Houston Texans who coughed up another lead yesterday and let the steelers get to three and on them. I. Know they. I think that a year ago they might have been a disappointment I. Think we've gotten we figured them out team and then in the playoffs were up twenty four nothing on the team that ended up winning the Super Bowl I know I know it's not like they disappeared last season they were going to beat the chief set day Mitch the I mean it's not like the Shawn Watson? Disappeared you know how to play football, right? Yeah. There are a lot. There are a lot of people writing stories about him by the beginning of years as his time has come and. It has it has kind of a doomed nature. When you're the real tolls it's. Time has come. There's one more three and a team in that conference and and the they won yesterday the Tennessee Titans did when Stephen Gostkowski of the Patriots. After, having hit a fifty, four yarder wins it with a fifty five. After he was having his struggles earlier l. debacle bring a kicker in the next bite away. Those were feel goes five and six today. So Salute. Mike. Variable is quietly doing one of the best coaching jobs in the league I keep track of them every week you know they skate by thirty, one thirty over the the the Vikings yesterday and and all right. So. There was another team Mike you gotTa, say if you WanNa talk about surprising Owen threes. 'em. You know everybody has has has second thoughts about kirk cousins all the time but nobody thinks that he should be the quarterback of an and three team in that division and that's exactly where they are right now and there that's a surprising thing over trouble. Don't you think match I? GOT TO BE, in trouble in Atlanta Zimmer's got to be in trouble a Adam gaces in trouble with the jets there's coaches on the hot soup or Brian would be, but he's effectively zone Boston. HOUST- right and and you know I was GonNa try to throw the named Andre. Hopkins. In there before we left to Houston game but there's a big reason why Houston isn't isn't Houston of the past you know they give away their players. So you're but Minnesota's at Owen three in Green Bay at three. No, that's already a tough a tough road to try to make up. Before we get to hoax how about what a game tonight Oh, my goodness cautious I mean you get these points alight during the regular season and? The chiefs against the Ravens, the championship game we didn't get last year because of the Titans Oh man, this is a good one tonight. Monday night they they usually. They usually don't get games like this. Those Games are usually played on. Sunday night, right absolutely. I know this is a big bonus for ESPN do not use your right Mike is not they've not gotten a good end of the deal when they got one tonight there's no doubt. You know that's appointment as we say appointment TV. Deficit who do you like I like. The. Home team, which is. No No. I do remember at home. Yeah. No, it's Baltimore and I just do i. mean you kidding online like it? You know historically, they do have such a good home field. Stayed. Homefield. Yup I know. It's I don't I never bet against. Let's let's Kinda something stuff happened in the NBA over the weekend before we get the NBA a word from our sponsor mybookie Hey I don't know about you guys. But for me, it is ten times more exciting when I'm putting some money on it, it's tough times I have a gut feeling about matchup and I'm just betting on my team because my team regardless whether you've been betting for years or you're ready to play for the first time. mybookie is your best bet this season with the biggest online selection of an props they've made it simple to win an easy to withdraw your cash right now they've got a hundred thousand dollars super contests for only a ten dollar entry and you're. 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Is a brilliant practitioner of the art, and if not, the very best one we've ever seen very, very, very, very high in the discussion is the best one we've well I mean you know there was a guy in Chicago and no no, but they're different Bob. Mike I know. We. Can have player. He's the greatest all my. Just I. Let me but when he he showed. He showed everything. Lived up to Saturday night that was a virtuoso performance, a take charge at absolute take charge performance in the second half in the fourth quarter particularly to put that game away and you know the former and you just take the double the triple double stuff was. So redo relentlessly for granted He saw anyway, it was a tribute to him. He was magnificent and he he he dragged him into the finals well. He I don't know if there will be another player like him I. Guess The way players move around. There was a chance of it but he was the first to become. I am the hurricane that goes to the finals who wants me to wear their Jersey player. You know the guys that we are talking about in the past generally did it with one team and we're talking about so start with Michael Michael go with the Washington bullets everything was done with the with the Bulls and where he was familiar whatever and so you can say it was the cast you could say it was the coaching you can. Say it was just a chemistry was whatever it is. He's now done it with three different teams and he is the consistent presence in the NBA Finals nine out of ten times. The one thing you can say about the NBA, forget everybody who played was Lebron James was in it nine, hundred, ten finals. You could forget the teams and just say we'll Lebron James What's in now his critics Bob and they are many because he's he's not. He's got a somewhat of an abrasive personality but who doesn't at that level of of sports and so he has he has you know and he's not a quiet. wallflower about issues or about anything else and when he says things like you know I'm pissed off that only sixteen people voted for me for the MVP that doesn't endear him to people either. But the my thing he's looking for dragons to slay that's a Michael to find opponents and the source of the criticism generally seems to mean quick quickly if I'm wrong, guys it all in lot of it stems from the fact that I was there and I'll verify did he did it in two thousand ten he quit against the Boston Celtics he he and he? Led the them right down the to the rabbit hole and in the two thousand eleven, he did not show up the way he should've against the Mavericks and and that's what that was a catharsis. He has been a different ballplayers since that that's when he recognized and his that he has to accept the responsibility of being the best player on the floor and know how to an when no one to turn it on and turn it off and when to take charge and he had to that point resisted that urge because he was always worried about. Something Simpler than that Bob I mean that's very nuanced and and that May. Be True I think it has to do with you. You've been there ten times and you've won three. It's it's not. It's not any harder than that. For a lot of people. If he had won every time he'd gone you couldn't even begin to start an argument. That he's been in the finals, but he hasn't won you know Michael every time he went to a finally he won and that's that's civil. Yeah. But but let you. Go final final I mean that those Cleveland he shouldn't have beaten the warriors once with. Share that criticism I'm just saying that the people who feel that they've got a leg up. Yes he's three and seeing, yes, he's three and six going into the spinal. Okay and and and we could go back and say, okay, did you did you really think decides that that's okay. By the way there's one other Guy Bob who, who, who, did it in more than one place and kind of for the same reason that Lebron and that's Kareem. Okay who's the most underrated great player in the history of the sport. If you could be underrated and greatest, he was even want to be in Milwaukee anymore and then. You die if we're GONNA, go far back. We're here we're into discussion we be. Accurate wilt. With two different teams, we'll talk about controversial psychological studies will chamberlain one with the sixty sixty, seven, seventy sixers anyone with the seventy one, seventy, two lakers. Okay and he he's. Saying. It's not unprecedented out to. Different in the different for you for now, we're in a different world. It's. Different than three and here's the other thing about Lebron. Here's the other thing about Lebron and I think about this especially on nights. Let Saturday night. Yes. This is a great time for the NBA and the television ratings don't reflect it. Maybe they will now in the final and there is a world of young talent and it's GonNa be great to watch it. Okay. There's a world of young talent under the age of twenty five however. No matter how you spin that this sport is at nearly as interesting when he's not in the gym. and. That is why when I hear my friend Mike Greenberg say Patrick Mahomes is the greatest star in American team sports right now? No, he's not no, he's not he's. Steps playing basketball. and. You're right Mike. A people said the same thing when Michael Jordan left to that. The game wasn't as interesting when he was in in it and that's by virtue of the fact that you know he was always around you know he was just he was there he was. He was whenever you talking great basketball. Championship basketball. He was always there and Lebron, Lebron takes the. Price for being there you know he may not take the price for how many winning trophies he's got, but he's certainly takes price for being there. He is always there last year was such an aberration. That's what was so weird. You know you remember just a year ago that he was sitting at home I kept waiting for him to show up on some. Broadcast you know as an analyst and he didn't. Do normally that's what they do. The guys are always ended won't have a special analyst. Brian. James. Is GonNa Analyze Apparently. You know he couldn't even didn't want that. We couldn't stomach the idea that he wasn't in the playoffs or the finals, and now one year later with the same team adding obviously, Anthony Davis is the story but there's one other thing we have to mention about him and why he has reached this point. The Corona virus has been betty betty good to to to. Lebron. James he doesn't have to fly. He doesn't have to go from place to place. There's no issues and being who Lebron James is and and you can imagine you know in La. Would stop all the rest of the distractions are gone to, and he's with the way the team has played they've won in five games. So he gets days off in between. He's totally rested for a guy, his age you know the thing that was remember what has Feld Lebron James in the last couple of years switching franchises an injury. You know the first time that he he had an injury that kept him out for. Any length of time remember we spent time on the show talking about as he finally reaching his age. This has been perfect for him. He hasn't had to go anywhere and he gets all these days off in between rounds sold something. It's an ideal situation I say something else about Lebron Okay and we say he's done this now with three teams. No, he's really done it with four teams because there was no connection between the first. Cavaliers team, you took to the finals and the second cavaliers team he took the final. So he's basically been the best player and can carry four different teams to the NBA finals and I'm just bringing this up for to to make this one point he played his first NBA game. Seventeen years ago. This I think October seventy. He he showed up in October of two thousand and three and guess what here he still is there was one other subplot attached to game that game that needs to be addressed a little bit because it is an imponderable is what if it's part of sports but the fact is that the guy who was the best guard in the entire playoffs without any question was so impaired that I think Mike I was sitting here yelling Mike. Malone. Get him off the floor because. Poor Jamal Murray. Play? Anything. Shrugged. Kit and that he was one of the great stories when we sit back when it's all over and they've crowned the champ and we're going to look at the whole totality of bubble life in the NBA and one of the stories is going to come out very near the top is the the coming apart of joe-marie with cell but he was and useless, and you know that that they had no chance that being the before we run out of time for we're all right. We gotta talk about the series and the story lines that we have going into the NBA Finals Mitch. Mitch Look. Forget Bama. Storyline wait wait wait. Don't blame. Okay. I I'm sorry. I. Didn't realize he was the biggest celebrity in basketball Riley Riley Lebron that's pretty good. Mitch. albom Erik Spoelstra. You know he's he's actually going up against a coach who coached him. For his first with and you wonder if and if that's going to help Miami in does air expulsion no something about how you play. Lebron James that other coaches who never coached and don't. Love. Miami is an underdog in every way first of all, just because how long it's been since they've been to the finals and secondly because of how they started this year and even how they came into the playoffs, they weren't favored in the absence of Milwaukee and and other teams that went down but they have gotten stronger and stronger. They are the proverbial snowball that has rolling down the hill and creating an avalanche, and if if if the Lakers are have have. Met. Every challenge up till now and there's no reason to think they're not going to win the NBA finals because let's face it. There have been hot teams that they have played coming in. You know nobody wants to play Portland nobody wants to play I. It doesn't matter to them they once they reached the Lakers everything apart but the heat are intriguing from their coaching staff to the general manager and those aren't the guys who wear the uniforms down to Jimmy Butler Bama by. Bam, add the bio and tyler hero. These are guys who are playing with house, money. Not Expect to be there and sometimes sometimes that makes a difference they're looking at game seven without he dollar last night if we doesn't make all those threes, that's a different game last night I know what happened at the end but he he changed the narrative of that gave Mitch. Let me just ask you this again because we talk about this field day. Okay. You can see some parallels starpower and everything else between the this he team and the Pistons of Oh four and who the Pistons of old four were going up against in the NBA finals. Oh Wait I. It was the Lakers and Kobe yeah. It's very similar. It's an interesting thing. Mike because the the the Lakers had like two of the top five players in the league and the Pistons had like a bunch of guys between ten and twenty. You know they were I mean there's nothing the matter with. Russia. While it's at that time, but they weren't top five players and that's what you have right here. Now, Jimmy Butler is probably the best player that got he's news what top ten and then the other guys are are in the next to your but they come together they gel together in in a way that is the sum is greater than the parts and they are playing smart. What's what this is going to be and what I'm looking forward to going to be smart Iq basketball. This is just going to be lobban and dunk the they've got guys on both sides. Who really understand the game and I love having a good data on your team in the finals? He's one of those guys that you know. They'll be one game that he'll have a major effect on and it could be the game that you need and on the other side you've got Rondo who let's face it the Lakers became dislike or team with Ron I don't like regime Rondo as as a as a generally in terms of personalities prickly hasn't over the course of his career. He's done some things I have enjoyed, but I have to sit back and say he has been a massive. Difference for the Lakers came in with an injury and nobody even thought he'd be playing in the playoffs. He has lifted them to a different level. He's sort of been a good dollar type for them. You know been there doesn't get rattled comes up with big plays when he absolutely has to and That's another interesting guy with the nickname in our time playoff Rondo it's this official nickname the in the you know in in the fraternity a basketball now, Mitchell. So right it's a dimension that was not present in the previous when when we entered the bubble we until we got to. The last series dimension on the Lakers. It was not a relative factor at all relevant factor of all Rondo started this series this playoffs off with a broken thumb and and He gives Lebron amrried. Someone made a great point whether it was van Gundy out of the WHO was it was mark could Mark Jackson. I don't know who it was which one of the but he said he gives Lebron a breather even when they're out there together because he can handle the ball of the doesn't have that responsibility of doing that all the time to where he would and he does when when. When Lebron you wonder if? Bobby he gets to rule brown gets to rest wile on the course. Great while on offense and he's the things. I, said this today and I still laugh makes eight in a row you you're to coach you clever your eyes when he takes the ninth he's looking shots more regularly than we're used to seeing to make shots too which is really a dimension so he's a he's a big dimension. To guys. Look we all know that the best player on the floor are playing for the Los Angeles Lakers but. We can start going down a list the next three best for the next five, five, next six, belong to the Miami Heat. We'll see we'll see how that shakes out. So what are you predict? The Lakers in a howirling. Tough six or even a seven. I think the Lakers are GonNa win and five Mitch and I'll tell you why. I think there's a lot of factors I think. There's nothing not to admire about the Miami Heat. Okay. All I can see is a situation in this series where at some point in the game, it's to be Bam meet Lebron Tyler. Hero meet Lebron. Whoever whoever Jimmy Butler meet Lebron, and they are going to get the treatment that Jamal Murray got in at the end of the game. Before the other night I'll tell you I have to I have to hold with that. I think a lot of the NBA playoffs have been horses for courses and the match ups and you've seen. Everybody. Everybody thought Denver was just wow, look at. You can't stop them looking within the stopped everybody Portland and and Dallas same kinds of things and then they were stopped when you face a long tall team like the Lakers, you better be equipped to play those matchups and. That's where Bam comes in I. Mean He's six nine, but he plays a lot bigger but you're right. It's going to be Bam meet Lebron Bam meet to try to stop. Anthony Davis and Howard. Howard. Even, you know McGee I mean they've got a lot of guys in there that can grab a lot of rebounds and I just I think you know the the the the fun stops here. So to speak in the Lakers of women five or six. All right. Listen a reminder that we're sponsored by GEICO. Did you know that right now Geico is offering an extra fifteen percent credit on car motorcycle RV policies. That's fifteen percent on top of the money Geico could already save you. So what are you waiting for your dog to make you breakfast bed with Belgian waffles fresh fruit compote as nice as that sounds that's probably never going to happen. But at least there's never been a better time to switch to geico save an extra fifteen percent when you switch by October seventh visit, Geico. Dot. Com to learn more. and. I was just thinking Mitchell Bob, would we next convene on Thursday morning? Par some of the first round series in baseball you are going to be over and we are going to be looking at some some games three across the board. There has never been anything like this Mitch I was talking to a friend of mine is Yankee fan the other day and I said, you know what? If the Yankees had fallen into? The spot which they would have if the Blue Jays had beat the orioles yesterday, they might have a better chance against the raise after the season series with it raised dominated them in a three game series because you give the ball to Garrett Cole and Game One and you get game one and that now you're looking to get one out of the. Next two and except they have to go up against the fighting. Francona. Even though Terry's not going to manage and Mr Bieber and Mr Cole that's a fair fight in game one I think this entire playoffs to me a my my surpassing it just will. All right. Dodgers are you going to do what you're going to you bleep you-know-what or get off? The Pot a time to the manager the you know what or get off the believes they're playing their best ball right now and you know they will always believe Mitch in Los Angeles that they would have won. They wouldn't have this burden if the other team was stealing all their signs in the two thousand particularly Darvish in game seven and I? Yes. Mitch everybody who says Oh it was a short season. Well, we can't give. Well, it didn't seem to bother the dodgers who went. Oh by the way forty, three and seventeen and had a better winning percentage the. One hundred and six last year the dodgers delivered. Everything that everybody expected from a long season in a short season? There weren't too many other teams that did that. There were teams. Obviously, the Yankees made it but the everybody figured they would make it as a number one seed not. Five or four or five, and the other team other teams you know Houston is in but I mean by the skin of their Chinni Chin Chin and nobody is talking about them. and. It seems they've got their come up. Whether the gods a delivered that in the form of the injury Orlando or just the way that they've been playing. But I have to tell you this three game format. You think about how many times in the course of a year that a team loses a series that's what this is. It's a series team goes into town does three games in a town series and they you know they win one lose to and good teams good teams go in and they play go yeah. We took a series from such a that's what this is. It's tightened, but you know it isn't heightened. They're still playing an empty stadiums. They're still playing you know Yeah. You're going to the road, but there's not any of the HOOPLA that's around it. So somebody you're right Mike Thursday or next Monday when we do whenever there's GonNa be like, how can you believe that they're gone? Three Hundred Percent Mitch it's this is again at the start of the baseball we talked about this. It was going to feel like a march madness of a regular season well, even more. So now, this this this first series, this wildcard series, does it not feel like Thursday Friday of the first weekend of the NCAA Basketball Tournament? Yeah. Yeah. About the the the sixteen ones in the fifteen twos. Right, right? Yeah. That's what's going to be and the in that scenario the dodgers have the most to lose because they have the biggest expectations you know. So everybody, this reminds you. Blake. Dive into some dangerous water you hold your breath and you go underwater and you just hope you come out on the other side and everybody's doing. So True Mitch. You are thousand percent right I don't care who you are you. You just WanNa, be play you WANNA come up. To the surface and still be playing baseball games next week in other words vow. Vano dictum survive in advance. Yeah Yeah. That is so true you died. Mitch, you hope you come up. And somebody who's just going to be bubbles. All right. It's been a pack show. It is time. Now for our parting shots, Bob Ryan wanted to lead us. Parting shot. Sixty years ago today Ted Williams at eighth inning homer. Baltimore's Jack Fischer in his last at Bat. There were barely ten thousand people in attendance at the dunk Wednesday afternoon game but it was our good fortune. One of those Fenway Park patients with author, John Updike then staff. Writer for the New Yorker magazine Updike produced an accounted that day's proceedings entitled hub fans. Bid Kid Adieu with all due respect, Whiteley do my. To steam colleagues, I submit that Updike's essay was not only the best baseball essay written but the best one on any sport it starts off by calling fenway quote a lyrical bandbox of a ballpark quote and go somewhere reminding US near the end after Ted once more refused to tip his cap that God's do not answer letters unquote now, you can easily find access to dismiss to piece by Googling I suggest you do. As you may have noticed from yesterday's NFL results and including my dear friend Mr Whiny Pants Lions, Guy Mitch Albom, the metlife Stadium Stars are jets and giants Mitch. They had kind of a bad day. The giants lost thirty six to nine to the forty niners and made backup quarterback. Nick mones look like Joe Montana in the process. Then the jets lost thirty six to seven to the colts in Indian. The jets are all in three. The giants are on three and you need Donald Trump's accounts to find some positives in anything we've seen so far. And here's the worst part for both teams. They have won quarterback ticket number three in the draft, the jets, and Sam Darnold and another one. Daniel Jones taking number six and any giants or jets Fan who tells you with any certainty that either one of them is the goods is blowing smoke at you. Oh, well as another New York team used to say way next year. or the year after that or the next decade. Daughter. It was not so long ago we began this podcast with well nothing no games no scores no controversial calls we spoke about corona virus. We spoke about all the sports we missed and we postulated whether anyone would come back to play any sports at all this year look at where we are today the NBA finals are about to start the Stanley Cup finals or about to finish the MLB playoffs are get going this week NFL football and full swing all power five. College football conferences are playing going to play and today the French Open tennis come I'll say this is happening all at the same time for the first time in history we went from the most barren to the most fertile sports landscape in a matter of months. It's a small victory because sports doesn't mean much in the big picture of life, but it does say something about human resiliency something we should celebrate Oh did I mention the masters is coming up in? November That's going to do it for today's program. We thank you for joining us on the sports reporters. We do this every Monday and Thursday, you can catch it on stitcher in spotify and apple in Pandora in any of the popular podcast platforms, we always appreciate a rating. We always appreciate your comments until we see you on Thursday on behalf of Bob Ryan and Mike Lupu Pits Mitch albom which. A.

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